Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, October 6th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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jahutto1:

weird, just went through and apparently the listings are only messed up for today, but their fine for the rest of the 2 weeks

[00:03:42]

floppyears:

jahutto1: in that case, why not clear the contents of your mysql table that contains the listing and running mythfilldatabase again ?

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RyanH:

any hope to use gstreamer codecs with mythtv?

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GreyFoxx:

Myth has no mechanism to use any external codecs

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Qwell:

I'm a bit confused.. Does/can mythtv use alsa? The gentoo ebuild shows an alsa USE flag, and not an oss USE flag... but myth is using oss

[01:14:01]

Qwell:

[ebuild R ] media-tv/mythtv-0.20.2_p14324 USE="alsa dvd ivtv jack joystick lirc mmx opengl perl vorbis (-altivec) -autostart -backendonly -crciprec -dbox2 -debug -directv -dts -dvb -freebox -frontendonly -hdhomerun -ieee1394 -lcd -xvmc" VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia -i810 -via" 0 kB

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GreyFoxx:

Que: Well it depends. Are you referring to playback or recording

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GreyFoxx:

Cause myth can use both for playback

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GreyFoxx:

and only OSS for recording from framebuffer cards

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Qwell:

playback.. it's coming is from coax

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Qwell:

s/is/in/

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Qwell:

How do I force it to use alsa?

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GreyFoxx:

change the output from /dev/dsp to ALSA:default

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GreyFoxx:

and the mixer to "Default"

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GreyFoxx:

oops "default"

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Qwell:

ah hah

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Qwell:

2007-10–05 20:16:09.278 Opening ALSA audio device 'default'.

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Qwell:

That should be an option in the dropdown, IMO...

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GreyFoxx:

*shrug*

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Qwell:

I wonder if I can actually hear stuff from firefox now at the same time.. that was a big issue I had before

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Qwell:

sweet, it works. you rock (again) GreyFoxx

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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hatchmt:

So here's a question — on the mythtv wiki, it says a 1GHz processor would suffice to capture using a bt878 chipset card (ATI TV Wonder), but when I try watching TV on my P4 3.0 w/ Dual-DDR400 ram, it skips frames badly (does this at 1024x768 as well as 800x600). I have a GeForce 3 TI200 in it now, but it had the exact behavior with an FX5600, both cards using the latest NVIDIA drivers, so I don't think graphics card is to

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hatchmt:

blame, neither hard drive — two SATA drives in a raid 0.

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hatchmt:

Any thoughts on what could be causing my performance issues?

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hatchmt:

I'm running the latest svn trunk.

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hatchmt:

the fact that the ATI card leaves compression to software?

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J-e-f-f-A-Zzz:

hatchmt: It also depends on what resolution, bitrate, and format you're encoding to.

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cal:

kinda curious... if i am just channel flipping, does it record like a 1.5 second mpeg of each channel? file counts would get pretty darn large..

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GreyFoxx:

they auto expire

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GreyFoxx:

anything less than 2 minutes long expires in afew minutes

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GreyFoxx:

other livetv recordings expire after 24 hours or if space is needed for another recording

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mzb_d800:

Hi all, I've just setup a slave backend that I hope to use _only_ for transcoding and commercial flagging

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mzb_d800:

it *seems* to work, BUT:

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mzb_d800:

rather than getting the file from the NFS share (which is on the master backend)

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mzb_d800:

it streams it from the other slave backend (where the originating tuner lives)

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mzb_d800:

how can I set the slave backend so that it knows the file is already "local" (ie. on NFS) ??

[02:12:24]

mzb_d800:

it's not a great deal, I guess, but the problem atm is that the file gets sent from master to slave1 (via NFS) and then streamed to slave2 (via myth) causing 2x the traffic in a lan segment that doesn't need that sort of load.

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mzb_d800:

any suggestions?

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mzb_d800:

(I figure it's some obvious that I should have set?)

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cal:

grey: 2 minutes, thats what i was looking for, thanks ;)

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linagee:

would this cause my computer to lock up?

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linagee:

Oct 4 17:00:04 altonplace kernel: ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data.

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linagee:

Oct 4 17:00:04 altonplace kernel: ivtv0: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough.

[02:16:12]

linagee:

i could ping it, but ssh died it. (weird...)

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linagee:

s/it/out/

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GreyFoxx:

No it wouldn't lock it up

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GreyFoxx:

just cause a few stutters in a recording

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linagee:

GreyFoxx: weird. i wonder why ssh stopped working

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linagee:

GreyFoxx: that's the last thing i see before syslogd: restart

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mzb_d800:

load causing connect/auth timeout?

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linagee:

hmmmm

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linagee:

truye

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linagee:

mzb_d800: so loaded down that ssh can't even function? and somehow ping still does?

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cal:

grey: what options do i have for 5.1 surround on mythtv? (i dont have digital cable)

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linagee:

mzb_d800: this system sort of sucks. 256MB. :(

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mzb_d800:

ssh is probably a lot more fussy about timing

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mzb_d800:

loungetv:~# grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo

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mzb_d800:

MemTotal: 257180 kB

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linagee:

mzb_d800: i've got 28MB free just after booting linux. isn't that enough for mythbackend to do it's thing and for me to transcode at the same time? ;)

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mzb_d800:

master backend ^^

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mzb_d800:

(with frontend)

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linagee:

mzb_d800: mythbackend usually takes about 2% cpu (it's a PVR-250)

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linagee:

that's probably taken up just by IDE

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mzb_d800:

loungetv:~# grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo

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mzb_d800:

cpu MHz : 649.949

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linagee:

1100 AMD chip here. 256kB cache

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linagee:

1100Mhz rather

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mzb_d800:

I'd forgotten that I'd turned off my overclock ;)

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linagee:

mzb_d800: how much memory do you have free just after a boot when the machine is just idling?

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mzb_d800:

probably very little ... you do realise that "free" doesn't mean much by itself?

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linagee:

mzb_d800: true... cache and buffers can get freed up and such

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mzb_d800:

anything "kind of" free is used by ... you got it

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mzb_d800:

I have some virtual machines that use 32MB (or less)

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linagee:

mzb_d800: i tend to notice that free decreases to zero, then swap starts being used though

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mzb_d800:

running stock debian in most cases

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linagee:

(or near zero)

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hatchmt:

J-e-f-f-A, I'm not certain which I am recording with — I see where I can configure my profiles, but I don't see how to apply a profile.

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mzb_d800:

my master is currently only using 64MB swap (of 1GB)

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linagee:

mzb_d800: :-O my raid 1 is resyncing.... that's weird!

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mzb_d800:

got an error somewhere?

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linagee:

(i had to force a reboot as the machine was locked from where i was)

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mzb_d800:

software raid?

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linagee:

mzb_d800: nope. just that ivtv buffer error

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linagee:

mzb_d800: yep. software.

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mzb_d800:

k

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** linagee hungers **

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linagee:

mzb_d800: oh well. i'll just have to hope it rebuilds and see if it happens again. heh

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mzb_d800:

my main machines use software raid1, but this old backend uses an IT821x raid card in non-raid mode (board has ata33 ports) ... future proofing? :)

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mzb_d800:

(for when I get BIG drives for myth;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

hatchmt: when you schedule the recording, it uses the recording profile you specify. If you don't change it, it uses the 'default' profile.

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mzb_d800:

machine is made from scrap, raid card cost me nothing (they sent me the wrong one)

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linagee:

mzb_d800: i've been playing with live-raid-resizing with linux software raid. it seems to work (in my trial/versions of mdadm and such) :)

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linagee:

mzb_d800: it was very cool to be able to add another disk to a raid 5 group "on the fly". :)

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mzb_d800:

heh

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mzb_d800:

I guess it would be :)

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linagee:

mzb_d800: you can add disks to a raid set, change out disks for bigger disks, but not change raid types. (can't go from raid 1 to raid 5)

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mzb_d800:

I'm too scared to do that sort of thing on my server

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linagee:

mzb_d800: test test test. :)

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linagee:

mzb_d800: do it in a vmware session with your same version of everything. then you can see if it explodes. :)

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linagee:

mzb_d800: oh, and the usual "do a backup" disclaimer. ;)

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mzb_d800:

wench:~# lvdisplay -C | grep ao | wc -l

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mzb_d800:

54

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linagee:

mzb_d800: you have 54 logicial volumes??

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mzb_d800:

wench:~# lvdisplay -C | wc -l

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mzb_d800:

71

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mzb_d800:

54 active

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linagee:

????

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linagee:

for what?!\

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mzb_d800:

wench:~# xm list | wc -l

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mzb_d800:

11

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mzb_d800:

xen server

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linagee:

mzb_d800: and you have your myth box connected to this?

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linagee:

mzb_d800: i'd NEVER mix business and pleasure. :P

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mzb_d800:

this is a bit old, and not what I've got running now, but you'll get the idea: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-g . . . _itemId=2520

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mzb_d800:

no, mythbackends are separete

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linagee:

so this is just a "storage server"?

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mzb_d800:

however, I have a slave backend in a virtual machine just for number crunching

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mzb_d800:

no, xen server has:

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linagee:

website is slow

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linagee:

are you hosting this off dsl or something?

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mzb_d800:

dsl

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linagee:

why three different routers?

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mzb_d800:

bitbaker, donkeyserver, webserver, mailserver, mythserver, proxyserver, soundserver (speech), sqlserver ... and a few others

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mzb_d800:

as I said ... that's old ... I do it differently now

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linagee:

mzb_d800: are these real hardware routers, or are you running quagga inside of xen or something? heh

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mzb_d800:

that's all one machine

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linagee:

ah

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mzb_d800:

now I have two virtual subnets, "internal DMZ" and "external DMZ"

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linagee:

mzb_d800: i used to run my firewall inside of vmware. until i found it sucked when the machine goes down and i have no way to use internet to view docs on how to fix it even. ;)

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fryfrog:

anyone know what is going on with ivtvdriver.org?

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fryfrog:

oh, wait they have an irc channel nm

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fryfrog:

er, i thought they did

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mzb_d800:

this page has the closest thing to a current network diagram: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=67

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fryfrog:

but it isn't ivtv or ivtvdriver :/

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linagee:

mzb_d800: these days, i'm going with a hardware firewall running custom firmware, and a box running my vm stuff

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mzb_d800:

I've gone to openwrt

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linagee:

mzb_d800: i use openwrt too. :)

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linagee:

mzb_d800: and i use openvpn to connect up all my boxes and i have an "intranet" :)

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fryfrog:

i like dd-wrt, is openwrt as good?

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mzb_d800:

better ;P

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linagee:

fryfrog: openwrt has no text interface

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fryfrog:

dd-wrt has a *very* good web interface, better than linksys's I think

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fryfrog:

openwrt has *no* text interface?

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fryfrog:

its all web?

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mzb_d800:

no text i/f?

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linagee:

mzb_d800: i've actually got dd-wrt to do the CLI stuff i want it to do. (enable JFFS and have scripts running for openvpn custom config)

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opello:

openwrt is just the ssh isn't it?

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opello:

and dd-wrt uses openwrt and adds the web gui?

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mzb_d800:

I have openwrt kamikaze with webif

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linagee:

mzb_d800: that way, it has an easily maintainable GUI, and openvpn cannot be disabled if you don't know about the CLI. :)

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fryfrog:

i thought openwrt was *only* cmd line (ssh)?

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mzb_d800:

webif has turned into a separate project ... it's not that openwrt "can't" have a gui

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linagee:

fryfrog: you can only customize it so much, because it's a whole lot better if you "add it to the firmware pot before flashing" (because you can compress the volume beforehand)

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linagee:

mzb_d800: dd-wrt can play with nvram and such too. :)

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mzb_d800:

and that is different from openwrt?

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fryfrog:

linagee: what do you mean?

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fryfrog:

linagee: i mean, "only customize it so much"

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fryfrog:

i get the other part :)

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linagee:

mzb_d800: what i hate about dd-wrt, is that you HAVE to use SP1 because all the newer firmware get larger and larger, and no space left for JFFS. heh

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linagee:

fryfrog: you can only store so much stuff. only so much space on the router. ;)

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mzb_d800:

that would depend on the router ;)

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fryfrog:

linagee: Ah, I just use the VPN version of RC3 :)

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fryfrog:

true

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linagee:

fryfrog: RC3 is a lot larger of a file. check the sizes. ;)

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mzb_d800:

WL500gP is pretty cool

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fryfrog:

you could get one of those routers with an sd slot or something

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fryfrog:

linagee: no, i totally agree

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fryfrog:

i just don't do anything *extra*

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fryfrog:

so it don't bother me

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linagee:

fryfrog: something that took me a while to troubleshoot. (i was like, WHY ISN'T JFFS working with RC3??? heh)

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mzb_d800:

WL500gP has 2x USB2 ports ... no SD slot needed

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fryfrog:

nice

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linagee:

fryfrog: turns out, you have like 10 bytes free, which isn't even enough free space to touch a file or something. heh

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fryfrog:

ahahha

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mzb_d800:

only a couple of $ more than a 54GL, but more ram+flash +USB

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fryfrog:

i think the new bw monitor has a huge memory leak too

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linagee:

fryfrog: like i said, tricky to troubleshoot. i kept thinking i had a bad flash

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fryfrog:

i left it running over night once and my computer was on its knees when i came back to it

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linagee:

fryfrog: (because it actually gave JFFS2 errors in dmesg)

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linagee:

fryfrog: (i guess it has so little memory, JFFS2 starts to step into other memory or something "Evil")

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linagee:

mzb_d800: i store my openvpn encryption key in the router itself, which is sort of cool, as the router become the "token" to get into the intranet. :) (in true corporate fashion)

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linagee:

s/become/becomes/

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linagee:

mzb_d800: also, NO ports open to the outside world. it's awesome.

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fryfrog:

i want to setup openvpn, but when i looked at the docs... it looked *really* hard :(

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linagee:

fryfrog: it did to me too

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fryfrog:

what i'd like to do is setup my parents router and my router to open vpn to eachother, perm like

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linagee:

fryfrog: i just finally spent an evening and went over it

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fryfrog:

is that reasonable?

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linagee:

fryfrog: it's not THAT hard, really.

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fryfrog:

ah

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linagee:

fryfrog: yes. i do that same exact thing. :)

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fryfrog:

did you follow an openvpn guide or a ddwrt guide?

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linagee:

fryfrog: i have this sort of "family intranet" now which is REALLY cool. :)

[02:45:34]

fryfrog:

yeah, thats what i'd like to do

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fryfrog:

so, does everyone else's router connect to *yours*?

[02:45:44]

linagee:

fryfrog: more than 2 routers connected too. :)

[02:45:51]

fryfrog:

or is there some sort of crazy star topology?

[02:45:53]

linagee:

fryfrog: i'll have routers down in other countries even. :)

[02:46:10]

linagee:

fryfrog: it all goes to one central location. i've got a colo with a whole heap of BW i'm using as the openvpn server. ;)

[02:46:57]

linagee:

fryfrog: it only costs me like $50/mo for the colo. i got an awesome deal.

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floppyears:

hi guys

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linagee:

fryfrog: it's more of a dedicated server than a colo though. (their machine, non virtual machined, it's like a PIII or something. 160GB HDD or so)

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floppyears:

do you archive stuff ?

[02:47:36]

floppyears:

how much can you fit in a dvd ?

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linagee:

fryfrog: last time i tested, like 30 megabits or so up and down. :-D

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floppyears:

how do you organize it ? chapters, a main menu that has links to the shows ?

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fryfrog:

linagee: ah, very nice

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linagee:

fryfrog: THIS is where i have my asterisk located. (still working out tc to get the voip traffic with a higher priority. tricky because i don't want to cut my connection to the box. heh)

[02:49:07]

linagee:

fryfrog: and then once everyone in the family is on the intranet, setting up voip is MUCH easier. (don't have to deal with NAT. one machine can talk to another machine directly)

[02:49:37]

linagee:

fryfrog: *and* as an added benefit, the voip is wrapped in an encrypted layer when you're calling extension to extension! :)

[02:49:53]

linagee:

(openvpn -> SIP)

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linagee:

floppyears: why put it on a DVD? just buy more hard drives

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mzb_d800:

fryfrog: just install easy-rsa and follow the openvpn howto ... quite simple once you understand the concepts involved

[02:50:37]

cal:

how do i get myth to use spdif? getting no sound. i change it to ac3 in general setup screen.

[02:50:43]

linagee:

mzb_d800: yes, indeed. you've got it set up too? :)

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fryfrog:

linagee: sounds like you'll have a nice asterisk setup

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linagee:

fryfrog: there's like 3 key files you have to have

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mzb_d800:

yes, I have openvpn for my wifi machines (just for fun;)

[02:51:07]

linagee:

fryfrog: well not really. ;) still deciding on a hardware platform for the phones

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fryfrog:

ah

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linagee:

fryfrog: grandstream sucks. i've got two and tested. blech.

[02:51:18]

fryfrog:

cisco vs. nortel?

[02:51:24]

linagee:

fryfrog: they boot up correctly like half the time

[02:51:32]

fryfrog:

or the telephony cards?

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linagee:

fryfrog: hard phones

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fryfrog:

ah

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linagee:

fryfrog: i might go with polycom

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fryfrog:

SIP i guess?

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linagee:

yep

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fryfrog:

how much does one of those phones cost, btw?

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fryfrog:

does anyone make cordless SIP phones?

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linagee:

fryfrog: i can have SIP phones and don't need IAX phones because they are on the intranet. :)

[02:52:24]

fryfrog:

there aren't many IAX phones though, right?

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linagee:

fryfrog: you can get a sipura FXS and attach that to a cheap cordless phone

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linagee:

fryfrog: no, there aren't many IAX phones

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linagee:

fryfrog: most IAX phones are sold by digium themselves

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fryfrog:

linagee: ah, thats true, i forgot about SIP -> POTS adapters

[02:53:02]

fryfrog:

oh, yeah, how much are SIP phones? :P

[02:53:21]

linagee:

fryfrog: yep. i want to put all the essential equip on a nice UPS for my parents, put a sipura with fail over, then get a 911 only POTS line from the phone company

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fryfrog:

some day, i'd like to build a campus for my family :)

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linagee:

fryfrog: that way, a call will normally go out and in through voip, but when you dial 911 or when the power goes out, the sipura switches over to the POTS hard line

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linagee:

fryfrog: it's fairly cheap to get a 911 or metered rate line

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fryfrog:

with a big mythtv setup, asterisk, etc

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linagee:

fryfrog: like $5/mo or something

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linagee:

fryfrog: it's nice to fail over to the phone company if you can. (right now my parents are on digital cable telephone and it doesn't even do THAT!)

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fryfrog:

yeah, that'd be nice

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linagee:

have UPSes on your own equip, then fail over to the phone company on a metered rate line

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linagee:

fryfrog: and in the worst case scenario, come on, everyone already has cells anyway. ;)

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floppyears:

linagee: I will eventually buy more hardrives when drives that can hold several terabytes are cheaper

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floppyears:

linagee: plus I want to be able to take the dvd and go to a friends house and watch it

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linagee:

floppyears: buy whatever is largest today and expand. ;)

[02:58:04]

linagee:

or if you're poor, buy whatever is cheapest per gig, then expand

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floppyears:

linagee: I already have a 500GB hd and it's starting to get full

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linagee:

floppyears: i've got 6 x 500GB in a raid 5

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linagee:

(software raid ftw)

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floppyears:

wow

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linagee:

floppyears: and MINE is almost full. :P

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linagee:

lol

[03:00:24]

linagee:

floppyears: luckily i've got 11 bays (but only 8 SATA channels), so i do plan on upgrading. :)

[03:00:39]

linagee:

floppyears: prices on the drives since i've bought them have decreased 3x.

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linagee:

floppyears: one of the problems i face is that if i upgrade my raid, i have to find a way to upgrade my second raid. (D2D backups ftw!)

[03:01:57]

floppyears:

that's a ton of storage

[03:02:11]

linagee:

floppyears: that's my home storage

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floppyears:

I just put in an old 320gb hd and I'm clearning shit out of it

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linagee:

Floppe: in my old job, i used to deal with more than that. :) 10TB is not THAT uncommon. ;)

[03:02:46]

linagee:

(in a SAN anyway)

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linagee:

floppyears: newer raid = SATA, older raid = PATA. the old box is like a nightmare to look at. ever seen 8 PATA cables running around a box? (8 x 250GB)

[03:04:59]

linagee:

floppyears: i used the "rounded" cables even to make it cleaner. it still looks like a mess

[03:05:31]

linagee:

floppyears: uses two promise controllers with 4 channels on each card. (using raid card in non-raid mode)

[03:06:56]

billshovel:

What do the icons (that are associated with each recording) at the bottom of the "Watch Recordings" menu mean? (I can't see them mentioned in the manual http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . h_Recordings )

[03:09:32]

linagee:

don't forget to set your recorders to get flash gordon tonight! :o)

[03:09:34]

linagee:

hehehe

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linagee:

flash gordon ftw

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billshovel:

(Some of the icons I have look like a crossed-out circle, a grey flower, a speaker, and a roll of toilet paper – I was just wondering what they meant.)

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floppyears:

billshovel: if you press menu , or m it should tell you what the icons are

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floppyears:

linagee: wow, that's a lot of pata cables

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linagee:

floppyears: 8 x PATA cables, each has two connectors (only one is used)

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linagee:

floppyears: and 8 power cables snaking around in there too

[03:27:54]

linagee:

i think it's a lot cleaner since i've got this huge case. (used to be a regular full ATX and all the cables went through one small hole)

[03:29:02]

linagee:

of course the box goes slow, relatively, to the new one

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mzb_d800:

what is error 242 for transcoding?

[03:31:54]

mzb_d800:

(or where can I find an error list?)

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mzb_d800:

dm ... improved google search ;)

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armbar:

hello

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mzb_d800:

*sigh* ... can't I transcode on a host other than the recording backend?

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armbar:

do I have to convert .bin files to .avi to play them in myth?

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mzb_d800:

err ... and how do I cancel a scheduled recording once it's started?

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mzb_d800:

turn backend over-ride off for the 242 error?

[03:52:01]

mzb_d800:

got it

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mzb_d800:

(I think)

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mzb_d800:

also had a misconfigured recordings dir on slave2

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billshovel:

floppyears: when i press m it brings up the "Recording List Menu", that seems to be independent of the combinations of icons shown for each recording. (I'm really curious as to what the toilet paper roll icon means.)

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floppyears:

billshovel: ok, give me a sec

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floppyears:

billshovel: the last item in that menu should say: "Help (Status icons)"

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floppyears:

billshovel: do you have that ?

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billshovel:

floppyears: no i don't have "Help (Status icons)"

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floppyears:

billshovel: hmm, maybe it's cause I'm running from svn

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floppyears:

billshovel: anyway, there's no icon that looks like a toilet paper

[04:06:43]

floppyears:

the 2 that are white are: a clock <- means auto expire is enabled

[04:06:45]

keith4_:

when i'm watching live TV, and myth pops up a window saying "myth would like to record blah blah blah", and I say "no, leave me alone".... does it use a different tuner to record that show? does it try to reschedule for later?

[04:06:54]

floppyears:

the other one that is white is a bok

[04:07:01]

floppyears:

it means that a bookmark is set

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ShockValue:

anyone understand how to make mythmusic playback at normal speed? I think it has to do with 44100 and 48000 rates and spdif.. but im not sure how to fix it

[04:10:15]

floppyears:

keith4_: I think that if you have an extra free tuner, it will record on that other tuner

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floppyears:

keith4_: if you have no free tuners, and you say No, it won't record your show

[04:10:28]

keith4_:

it doesn't seem to be

[04:10:40]

keith4_:

i'm looking at the backend status

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floppyears:

keith4_: what does the backend status say about your tuners ?

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keith4_:

i'm using my digital tuner to watch TV, which is a higher priority than the SD tuners... it's not recording the show on a different tuner

[04:11:25]

keith4_:

maybe it will reschedule for later?

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ShockValue:

if it pops something up, i think that means Myth thinks that all the tuners are busy

[04:11:47]

ShockValue:

or somehow you've told it not to record that show on a particular tuner

[04:12:00]

keith4_:

odd

[04:12:20]

keith4_:

well, the digital channel is only available on the digital tuner

[04:12:33]

keith4_:

so, maybe it won't reschdule to the analog equivalent channel?

[04:12:34]

floppyears:

keith4_: yeah the priority could be throwing it off

[04:12:46]

keith4_:

even though the channels have the same XMLTV IDs

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ShockValue:

well that makes sense then.. if it tried to record a show on a tuner you're watching, then it will reschedule for later on that tuner

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mzb_d800:

yay ... remote transcode looks like working ... 36fps should be ok I guess

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keith4_:

ShockValue, I'd almost like it to just record on an analog tuner

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mzb_d800:

better start making more cables and drilling more holes in the floor ;)

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keith4_:

I mean, in this case I don't care, but I'm not convinced that it's going to schedule it for later

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ShockValue:

do you have mythweb installed? that will give you a lot more info about when+what will record

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keith4_:

yah, i do

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billshovel:

floppyears: Thanx for trying. FYI I had a look at the source code. It turns out the "roll of toilet paper" is commflagged.png (which is for commercial break flagging .. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Commflagging). Curiosity satisfied. :)

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mzb_d800:

roll of flags? :)

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clop:

hi, my hard disk is getting full but i don't want to delete my shows; is there a way for me to manually tell it to transcode certain shows?

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ShockValue:

thats why i like the meepo theme.. it uses words instead of icons

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billshovel:

mzb_d800: I think it might be a roll of adhesive tape?

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mzb_d800:

:)

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ShockValue:

clop – it will automatically delete shows if your drive gets too full.. unless you want to do it manually for some reason

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ShockValue:

oh nm.. misread your question

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keith4_:

what is auto transcoding supposed to do?

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mzb_d800:

clop: go to "Watch recordings", navigate to a show in the list, and press right arrow ... "Job Options" => Transcode

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clop:

aah, hrmn, it didn't seem to do anything :(

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clop:

maybe it's since i have it set to only transcode during certain times on the backend

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keith4_:

transcode from mpeg2 to mpeg4?

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clop:

keith4_, i'm not sure what it does, but i think it makes the files smaller

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nuonguy:

does anyone have the hvr 950 USB tuner working?

[04:24:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

nuonguy: Not yet — I have 2 that I intend to setup on a slave laptop backend — the driver (last I heard) breaks all other tuners, so that's why I was going to take that approach.

[04:24:35]

nuonguy:

what distro do you use?

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nuonguy:

I'm trying this with fedora 7

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J-e-f-f-A:

nuonguy: Fedora... And it's my understanding that it doesn't matter the distro...

[04:26:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

nuonguy: If it's your only tuner, then you're all set.

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keith4_:

kernel drivers are funny that way

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keith4_:

er, kernel modules, rather

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J-e-f-f-A:

nuonguy: But if you want to add it to your system, then it will break your other tuners on that backend.

[04:27:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

[disclaimer: I haven't checked in at least 5 months — they may have re-written it since then to fix the issues...]

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floppyears:

billshovel: hehe, to me that icon looked like a colored tube

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billshovel:

floppyears: Actually I think it *is* a toilet roll, because some people call commercial breaks toilet breaks.

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mzb_d800:

has anyone had a play with TVWish ? Just wondering if it's as good as it sounds.

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ShockValue:

nothing is ever as good as the marketing people make it sound.

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mzb_d800:

:)

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mzb_d800:

yeah

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ShockValue:

dunno much about tvwish thouhg :)

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mzb_d800:

I'll just stick with Custom Record atm ... 160GB probably not enough to get too carried away, anyway ;))

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ShockValue:

HD?

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mzb_d800:

http://www.templetons.com/brad/myth/tvwish.html

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mzb_d800:

no, SD

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ShockValue:

160 for SD will let you record quite a few shows..

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... and with 4 to 1 reduction (so far) using transcode, should be quite decent

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mzb_d800:

but still ... I'll give it a few weeks before I try adding more ;)

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ShockValue:

thats a 100 hours of programming before you transcode.. if you're getting 4:1 reduction.. thats.. (does the math in his head) like 400 hours.

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** ShockValue is a super-math-genious **

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mzb_d800:

3.5GB => 840.8MB (Medium quality) ... that was a Stargate episode ... will view it later to check for quality

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mzb_d800:

I like your sums ;)

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ShockValue:

3.5GB for a SD 1 hour show? that sounds high

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mzb_d800:

but still, need to think of free space as uncompressed

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mzb_d800:

yeah, I probably added 5 before and 15 after (iirc)

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ShockValue:

mythbusters SD show on mine straight from firewire (no xcode) is only 1.5G

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mzb_d800:

(and I want to record Bathurst tomorrow ... and that's about 9 hrs;)

[05:02:03]

mzb_d800:

I'm using DVB, so it's mpeg2 straight to disk

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mzb_d800:

(external tuner for au$20 delivered!:))))

[05:02:34]

** ShockValue wanders off to google bathurst **

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mzb_d800:

http://www.supercheapauto1000.com.au/

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mzb_d800:

oops

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mzb_d800:

better than that

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mzb_d800:

http://www.v8supercar.com.au/

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ShockValue:

racing, gotcha.. you'd think i'd be into that kind of thing considering how many speeding tickets I have

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mzb_d800:

:)

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mzb_d800:

I don't drive (anymore) ;)

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ShockValue:

although some of the chicks on that site are nice to look at >:)

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mzb_d800:

but have been involved in racing one way or the other for over 20 yrs

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ShockValue:

sometimes it's a relief getting stuck behind someone doing the speed limit.. that way I can relax and not watch for cops

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mzb_d800:

both my family and g/f's family are "high-level" avgas addicts (in their respective fields)

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mzb_d800:

http://www.targa.org.au/

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mzb_d800:

Dad is "Support Services Manager" ^^^

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mzb_d800:

and as Octagon Racing own the race, they also get him to do similar stuff all over Australia

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ShockValue:

sounds fun

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mzb_d800:

(he and mum are currently "on break" between races ... in South Africa)

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mzb_d800:

yep ... can be pretty dangerous at times

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mzb_d800:

I've done a backflip over a rally car once

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mzb_d800:

(from sitting position)

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mzb_d800:

driver and witnesses thought I'd bounced of the car :)

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mzb_d800:

was still pissed (etc) from the night before :|

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mzb_d800:

ah, the memories ;)

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mzb_d800:

anyway, soldering iron nice and hot now ... time to make a few cables

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ShockValue:

heh

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mzb_d800:

(so I look busy by the time the g/f comes home from work;)

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mzb_d800:

ps: I wasn't always lucky enough to miss painful car-related accidents ;)

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ShockValue:

pissed.. i always find that word amusing

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mzb_d800:

(and I can tell you that you want to avoid getting staples put in your skull if you can avoid it ;)

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mzb_d800:

ocker slang ;)

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mzb_d800:

s/drunk/ ;)

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ShockValue:

yeah.. here in the US it usually only means "angry"

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ShockValue:

or, sometimes you might hear "piss drunk"

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mzb_d800:

here that would be "pissed off"

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ShockValue:

but never pissed.. unless you were sitting next to an .au

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mzb_d800:

;)

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mzb_d800:

http://www.parks.tas.gov.au/wildlife/mammals/devil.html

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mzb_d800:

bbl

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ShockValue:

i was thinking of moving to tasmania.. but it didnt seem like there was a real demand for my type of work down there (network admin)

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mzb_d800:

(can bite off a man's arm ... and will eat *anything* (inc teeth))

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mzb_d800:

no

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mzb_d800:

not a lot

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mzb_d800:

mainland for that sort of work

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mzb_d800:

(ie. take a number, I want sysadmin work 1st;)

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ShockValue:

.au is too hot for my tastes.. but i read that taz has a climate more like Seattle (my area)

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mzb_d800:

mainland too hot for me, too

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mzb_d800:

Tas is fresher

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adante:

its roasting in brissy atm

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mzb_d800:

(cleanest air in the world)

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mzb_d800:

(longest stretch of water before winds hit land)

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ShockValue:

that and 90% of the polution in the work comes from north of the equator

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mzb_d800:

anyway, bbl, time to inhale burning resin, tin+lead fumes ;)

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ShockValue:

-work +world

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ShockValue:

ttyl

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venger:

what query can i use to see currect access setup for remote connections in to mysql mythconverg db

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venger:

this didn't work: grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%.mynet" identified by "mythtv"; should it be mythtv@"%"."mynet" or something the only difference in the server that was connecting is at the %.. The wide open pivilege: mythtv@"%" worked.

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AndyCap:

Vaelys: does your dns work?

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AndyCap:

oh, he left.

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Hilikus:

whats the difference between TV frontend and TV playback keys??

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Hilikus:

arent both of them keys used when watching live tv?

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kaktuspalme:

hi

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kaktuspalme:

is it possible to watch premiere with mythtv if i have a CI Modul that support premiere, i've got a legal abo

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kaktuspalme:

can i use a CI-Modul with mythtv?

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mchou:

kaktuspalme: have you checked via google?

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kaktuspalme:

mchou, hmm, yes i searched something but i havent found good answers

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mchou:

kaktuspalme: it all depends on your dvb card.....

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kaktuspalme:

mchou, ok that means i cant buy a dvb card and also buy a card where i can insert a ci-modul, and that works together?

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mchou:

myth afaik on supports the "normal" CI interface. You get a card that doesn't have that you are pretty much SOL

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mchou:

In any case since I dont live in EU you should take everything I say with a grain of salt

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kaktuspalme:

mchou, hmm ok thyx

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kaktuspalme:

thx

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Hilikus:

what does tv frontend refer to in the key menus?

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Dagmar:

The part that shows faces.

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Hilikus:

what do you mean??

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Hilikus:

"faces"

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kaktuspalme:

hmm, im lookint for a dvb-s2 tv card which linux supports, but linuxtv.org says no card supported yet, does anyone have a dvb-s2 card?

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drunken-wallaby:

hi together. i've just installed mythtv using archlinux and everything is working, except for one thing. my chanel-frequencies are differing a bit from the standard ones. So I have jittering images and a bad quality when watching tv. I checked the exact frequencies in windows where I have perfect image quality. I read that I could use the "fine tune" parameter in the chanel setup. However, this seems to be integer

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drunken-wallaby:

only. I calculated a fine tune value that is 0.992 and can't insert it. Anyone?

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Hoxzer:

What tools are there for setting up correct colors for TV ?

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Hoxzer:

ok, it should be done now

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** Hoxzer wonders how to do same with XV **

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gpd:

any UK people got ideas why BBC Radio 4 etc are no longer found?

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rooaus:

gpd: Someone (from the UK) said the other day they needed to rescan due to changes with their radio.

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gpd:

thanks rooaus

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rooaus:

gpd: np

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venger:

i get occasional log entries like: [mpeg2video @ 0xb72aa3a8]invalid cbp at 24 4 anyone know what thats for?

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TheAsp:

yup

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Hoxzer:

:p

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Hoxzer:

Hmm

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Hoxzer:

would it be possible to use higher resolution modeline in PAL tv than 720x576

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** Hoxzer just moved using modeline which does place video approxmetly corretly to the TV Nvidia2 and quit using nvtv ( no support for overscan adjustments via xorg.conf) **

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Hoxzer:

:\ So yeah, So yeah, as it leaves about 10–20 pixels around the screen. I actually would like to use higher resolution

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twodogs34:

when bringing up the electronic program guide, is it supposed to show the 4 listings surrounding the channel currently being viewed?

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dorto:

do all hauppage tv cards support both PAL and NTSC? what about Hauppage PVR-150?

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FunkyELF:

hey guys, I accidently put the digital stuff in my schedule but my mythtv doesn't record the digital channels.....so I fixed my schedule but those channels are still there in the program guide and in myth web

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gpd:

hmm. I did a full rescan in mythtv-setup but still I don't get some UK Radio Channels – anything I am missing?

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FunkyELF:

anyone know how to get rid of them? There is no data for them but they still show up

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FunkyELF:

delete from channel where channum >= 75 order by channum;

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FunkyELF:

I just did that....is there any other cleanup that I should do?

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gpd:

what happened to juski?

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nordle:

hello. Playback of recorded tv appears to not de-interlace. Anyone else with this problem? or know of a soltuion?

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nordle:

If I watch LIVE TV, it de-interlaces as per the playback settings I setup, looks ok. If I record a show, this gets auto-transcoded, then if I try to play it back, its interlaced.

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iamben:

couldnt you just add a deinterlace option to your transcode command?

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nordle:

iamben: can I? Where abouts is the transcode command? I left all that at default, beyond tweaking the codecparams ie bitrate etc

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tcpsyn:

can you interlace on your tv?

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tcpsyn:

er. deinterlace rather

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nordle:

tcpsyn: I don't think so, its lcd progressive.

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tcpsyn:

nordle, howabout your gpu?

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tcpsyn:

nvidia can do it

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nordle:

tcpsyn: really? wow, ok, yeah, that sounds good..... I've never come across that before googling though.

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makomk:

Hi. I just upgraded from 0.20 to trunk. Whenever I start mythfrontend, I get a menu "Select Default Myth Backend Server" with one option "Do Not Connect To MythBackend". I'm using a combined backend/frontend, and mythbackend is running.

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tcpsyn:

cd /opt/CA/SharedComponents/ccs/dia/dna/bin

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tcpsyn:

damn

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floppyears:

hi guys

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floppyears:

how can I restart gdm as a regular user ?

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floppyears:

sometimes stuff goes wild, and I want to have my mythtv user run /etc/init.d/gdm restart

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floppyears:

what's the best way of doing this ?

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nordle:

My LCD has a max / default res of 1360x768@60. Currently I'm runnning 1280x720@50. It sais it can do 720p/1080i. So in theory, could I feed a modeline of Modeline "1920x1080@60i" 76.96 1920 1952 2224 2256 1080 1105 1110 1135 interlace?

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nordle:

The TV would then downgrade this.

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AndyCap:

nordle: yes.

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AndyCap:

nordle: but the actual res I bet is 1366x768

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nordle:

AndyCap: Why 1366, the native is 1360.

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AndyCap:

nordle: because every panel I've seen is 1366. :) but some could program 1360 in the EDID because that's cleanly divisible with 8

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nordle:

This is definitely 1360, says so in the manual as well as nvidia driver thingy.

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AndyCap:

nordle: fire up the pixelmapping test at tft.vanity.dk and see. if it looks good you're ok

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nordle:

I'm pretty happy with 1280x720@50, works pretty well. DVD's on the most part look amazing (compared to what I did have). But there is a hint of slow blur occasionally which I didn't have at 1360x768@60. But I'm not sure if its because its 50hz thats causing it, or the loss of 1:1 pixel mapping by going from 1360x768 to 1280x720. The reason I run at 1280 is because on some fullscreen dvd's (ie no black banding) there is a horrible tear in fast act

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nordle:

cool link

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nordle:

thanks

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AndyCap:

nordle: oh. did you set up video vsync in nvidia-settings ?

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nordle:

I have -hsync +vsync modeline, and vsync to black via nvidia-settings

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AndyCap:

nordle: sync to vblank you mean?

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nordle:

:)

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nordle:

oops

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sphery:

nordle: re: vsync, see Daniel's posts linked from http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/293118#293118

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sphery:

Generally--if using Myth's OpenGL vsync--it should be off in nvidia-settings.

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nordle:

sphery: I'm not using nvidia's opengl vsync, just the vsync to blank. Or should they both be off?

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sphery:

that's what Daniel's posts say...

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sphery:

If you're not going to read all his posts, at least look at the first one from him...

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/269691#269691

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sphery:

Though I /highly/ recommend reading all three of them...

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Hilikus:

is there some kind of documentation on what the key bindings from the menu do?

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Hilikus:

what does NEXTVIEW under global do?

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linagee:

the face of bo is really jack harkness. heheh. :-D

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nordle:

"Out of Range" is what the lcd says to 1920x1080@60i.... So how can it say it does 1080i?

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Hilikus:

whats "TV frontend" in the keys menu?

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cyrexion:

hey guys, does anyone know where the image for bootsplash is located?

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cyrexion:

?

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just_joe:

is it possible to get decent tv out with an old ati r128 card?

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just_joe:

right not it is a little choppy

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just_joe:

right now that is

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cyrexion:

how do I set a bootsplash theme?

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user1:

is there a way to get Bt878 sound to work without the audio cord?

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user2:

is there a way to get Bt878 sound to work without the audio cord?

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user2:

srry

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directhex:

yes, in some (but not all) cases

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user2:

?

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user2:

what you mean?

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directhex:

i mea it's hardware-dependent

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user2:

where are docs on it?

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directhex:

snd-bt87x kernel module.

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directhex:

like i said though, it's hardware-dependent. don't expect all cards to work with it

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directhex:

generally though, you don't want to use a manky old bt878 card if you have the option

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user2:

i have wintv-go-plus

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directhex:

yes. and antique wintv cards aren't very good

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directhex:

i seem to recall the wire-free method works with those cards, but quality is dreadful. someone was working on a patch, but it doesn't solve the underlying issues

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user2:

i dont care about quality was like a $10 card

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directhex:

your call.

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user2:

well where are these patches?

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user2:

and docs on them?

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directhex:

doesn't matter. you don;'t care about quality, remember?

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user2:

i need sound ..

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directhex:

and you'll GET sound. with the kernel module

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directhex:

which has been part of the kernel for years. as in "five or more years" years

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directhex:

it'll just be quiet & awful

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user2:

i have no sound w/o that cord ..

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directhex:

did you load snd-bt87x.ko ?

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Hilikus:

hey guys, is there a way to watch info of the current show while it is still in full screen? when you open the OSD it starts in no channel

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directhex:

Hilikus, "i"?

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user2:

directhex i don't know how

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user2:

im looking for docs...

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Hilikus:

that opens the info only on the current position on the recording

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Hilikus:

not the name of the show, etc

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directhex:

user2, try googling for "load kernel module linux"

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Hilikus:

or am i wrong

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user2:

directhex its modprobe

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directhex:

user2, well done! have a cookie!

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user2:

but doesnt do anything

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directhex:

define "doesn't do anything"

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user2:

why im asking for docd

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directhex:

it sits at home claiming income support?

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Hilikus:

mine shows in the top right a progress bar of the recording, not the name

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user2:

still no sound

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directhex:

*gently caress* it, i have better things to do

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user2:

just flink me to the docs u retard

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biohazd:

hi guys

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biohazd:

in the channels table in mythweb- which field is the actual chnanel on my ntl (virgin) STB ?

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biohazd:

i have the channel chnage script work find on command oine

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Hilikus:

do you guys see the name of the show when you press the INFO key??

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biohazd:

channum ?

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cyrexion:

is it possible to change the images for the knoppmyth bootsplash — simply swapping out the graphics won't work... do I have to do something to load the image into the ram disk?

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floppyears:

hi guys

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floppyears:

does anybody know how to make it so that the mythtv user can restart gdm ?

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sebrock:

now why is my mythweb all of the sudden not allowed?

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sebrock:

Forbidden 403

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sebrock:

hmmmmm

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biohazd:

.htaccess ?

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biohazd:

your ip changed maybe ?

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biohazd:

tr yrestart apache and then try again

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sebrock:

I'm trying... no same IP

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biohazd:

chekc apache error log

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biohazd:

it shoudl tell you

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biohazd:

- /var/log/http/erro_log ?

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sebrock:

says client denied by server

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biohazd:

do u get a username / password dialog box popup ?

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biohazd:

anyone help with my chnanel chnage question ?

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sebrock:

seems to be something with locally

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sebrock:

if I go by using interal LAN ip it's fine

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sebrock:

hm...

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biohazd:

sounds like an .htaccess file

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biohazd:

see if its in mythtv folder

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biohazd:

it will be only alowing your locla ip

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biohazd:

only

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sebrock:

Im only going by apache2, not using .htaccess

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sebrock:

well got it working from now

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directhex:

yay, i'm a retard, because i won't a) do someone's googling for them b) point them to a document which is beyond their level of skill c) do all of the above when it *still* won't fix the problem acceptably

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Hilikus:

whats the easiest way to see info on the current program while still in full screen ?

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Hilikus:

info like the name and that, not just the position on the recording

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sebrock:

however, however, I dont understand why my browser (on the same lan) seems to connect from outside

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biohazd:

in mythweb – if i change channel info – do i have to restart mythbackend ?

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sebrock:

should connect internally as that is the closest path

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sebrock:

is this because I use a domain name hm....

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sebrock:

man I'm tired to day

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Hilikus:

info like the name and that, not just the position on the recording

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jarle:

Hilikus: press info a second time....

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Hilikus:

there we go! thanks!!

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Hilikus:

i wasnt aware of that

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Hilikus:

mm it doesnt work with livetv

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Hilikus:

its empty

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jarle:

Hilikus: no EPG data maybe?

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Hilikus:

the info is there if i go to the guide

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Hilikus:

so i do have it

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Hilikus:

does it work for you??

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Hilikus:

is it just me?

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jarle:

Hilikus: can't chech right now as all my inputs are recording...

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jarle:

check..

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Hilikus:

could someone check for me? if you press info twice while watching livetv, does it show the program info on the OSD?

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floppyears:

does someone know how to restart gdm without a passwd ?

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Hilikus:

i dont think you can floppyears

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cyrexion:

Hilikus: yes, it does

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jarle:

floppyears: you could try Cltr-Alt-backspace to kill X...

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Hilikus:

floppyears you could edit /etc/sudoers and give that command the NO_PASSOWRD flag, or whatevere its called

[19:04:19]

Hilikus:

cyrexion you press info twice and you get the info?? just the name or the text too?

[19:05:04]

Hilikus:

mine's empty!

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Hilikus:

the osd is empty

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sebrock:

hey does IMDB metadata search work?

[19:07:02]

sebrock:

especially under OS X?

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floppyears:

Hilikus: I've tried editing the sudoers file, but I've not been successful :(

[19:07:44]

floppyears:

jarle: I don't have a keyboard connected on that machine :(

[19:07:46]

cyrexion:

I get the info

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Hilikus:

why notn

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floppyears:

I've even tried: username ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL

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floppyears:

and it still asks me for a passwd :(

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sebrock:

cyrexion you mean IMDB?

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sebrock:

you using OS X frontend?

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Hilikus:

show me the line

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Hilikus:

flatronf701B

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Hilikus:

floppyears

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cyrexion:

sebrock: no, I'm using knoppmyth r5f27

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sebrock:

ok

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floppyears:

Hilikus: jose ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL

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sebrock:

somethings broken in os x frontned

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Hilikus:

you have to tell it which command

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floppyears:

Hilikus: when I type: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm it still asks me for a passwd :(

[19:12:07]

Hilikus:

you cant do it for all of them

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sebrock:

but hey, its on the backend is it not?

[19:12:20]

Hilikus:

that would be dangerous

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Hilikus:

cause it would be the same as root

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Hilikus:

mythtv ALL=NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend

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cyrexion:

does anyone know if the latest version of knoppmyth uses splashy or bootsplash?

[19:13:07]

Hilikus:

thats my line

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floppyears:

Hilikus: I've even tried: jose ALL=NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/gdm, /usr/sbin/gdm and it still asks me for a passwd :(

[19:13:10]

Hilikus:

and it works

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Hilikus:

use visudo just to make sure there are no syntax errors

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floppyears:

Hilikus: weird, it's not asking me for a passwd anymore, but it still fails :(

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cesman:

cyrexion: bootsplash

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sphery:

CharlieSu: Just an update... I looked at creating a Perl script with bindings to find upcoming recordings/conflicts/etc. and it's easier than I though it would be. I'll probably have one done tonight, but the day is disappearing and my lawn is asking to be mowed. I'll let you know when I have it ready.

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cyrexion:

cesman: would you know where I could look for a guide on how to create my own themes and install them (swapping graphics of an existing theme doesn't work, apparently)

[19:17:58]

cesman:

bootsplash.org or .de should have info

[19:18:02]

cesman:

else google

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floppyears:

Hilikus: yeah, that's what I use :(

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sebrock:

nah says it cant locate Simple.pl

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sebrock:

whatever that is

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Toxicity999:

How would I manage to get a different DE running in a dual-head setup?

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Hilikus:

cyrexion what listings grabber do you use?

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cesman:

cyrexion: any luck?

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FunkyELF:

xris, you there?

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FunkyELF:

wondering how http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3809 is going

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xris:

haven't touched any non-sd code in ages

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xris:

and waiting to find out if there will be a mythffmpeg to avoid this hassle in the future

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janneg:

xris: it didn't build right away. I'm looking now if it's easy to fix

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xris:

janneg: it could theoretically be an easy fix. but would require enabling all kinds of extra things that mythtv doesn't necessarily use, like x264, etc.

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Hilikus:

my OSD is not showing the program information when i press INFO twice, the OSD is empty, but mythtv does have the info, if i go to the EPG its there, should i create a bug ticket for it??

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cyrexion:

Hilikus: I use EIT

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cyrexion:

cesman: no luck yet (I assume you are referring to bootsplash)

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Hilikus:

that works with digital only right?

[20:21:05]

cyrexion:

right.

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cyrexion:

I have yet to install my pvr-150 and look for a decent way to generate a channels.conf file..

[20:21:51]

cyrexion:

there HAS to be a way to do it freely (eg. write a script which interfaces with tvguide.com)

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GreyFoxx:

ooh that reminds me.. *reenables mythfilldatabase*

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GreyFoxx:

There are some free ones out there. I can't speek to how well they work though

[20:22:43]

GreyFoxx:

and for me they are not worth the hassle

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Hilikus:

cyrexionwhere are you?

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cyrexion:

"where are you" as in geographic location in the world?

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Hilikus:

yen

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Hilikus:

s

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cyrexion:

United States, New York

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atomjack:

i used axel thimms repository for my mythtv install, but i can't seem to get mythstream working...anyone have any ideas? I noticed that i only had mythstream 0.17 installed but mythstream's page said 0.18 was what i needed for mythtv 0.20...

[20:43:07]

cesman:

cyrexion: http://bootsplash.org/Userspace

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cesman:

the first command is what you are interested in...

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xris:

atomjack: mythstream isn't an official mythtv plugin, and is unsupported (and as far as I know, abandoned by its author)

[20:44:16]

atomjack:

ahhhhh

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cesman:

xris: mythstreamtv you mean?

[20:44:26]

xris:

cesman: both, I thought

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atomjack:

so ther'es no good way to watch video podcasts yet?

[20:44:42]

xris:

mythstream certainly isn't an official plugin

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cesman:

mythstream was original mythstream I believe, then it got named to mythstreamtv

[20:45:00]

cesman:

xris: right

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atomjack:

i thought mythstreamtv was for streaming to windows media player or something

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xris:

cesman: no, mythstream is a mythfrontend plugin to play internet audio/video streams.. mythstreamtv was a mythweb plugin

[20:45:37]

atomjack:

yeah

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cesman:

xris: right

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xris:

completely separate

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cesman:

atomjack: MythStream works fine here, but I'm using KnoppMyth!

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xris:

one for watching internet stuff in mythfrontend, the other for watching recorded shows via mythweb in WMP, etc.

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nordle:

To avoid tearing, I can play 1360x768@50. But I lose 1:1 mapping, which works perfectly at 60Hz. Is there anything I can do?

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atomjack:

cesman:did you compile it yourself?

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cesman:

that I did

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cesman:

it needs to be compiled against the MythTV libs

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atomjack:

yeah

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atomjack:

i'm trying to figure out how to get those installed heh

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atomjack:

i have libmyth but not libmyth-dev or whatever

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cesman:

sorry, I'm no longer an RPM man

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cesman:

or YUM or what Fedora uses

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atomjack:

yeah, yum

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cyrexion:

cesman: yeah, I just bricked my mythbox messing up with that..

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cesman:

cyrexion: no worries

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cesman:

boot off the CD

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cesman:

unless you removed it, before KnoppMyth sets up bootsplash, we backup the original initrd

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cesman:

cyrexion: please join #knoppmyth for KnoppMyth specific questions/issues

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cesman:

this is after all the MythTV channel :)

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cyrexion:

thanks

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venger:

anyone using Motorola 484095-001–00 signal booster? I need a booster with the number of runs I have (2 way split, 1 goes to cable modem and other gets split into 4 leads to TV's/tuner). Would like to hear your experiences and also I notice my 2way is like ~900mhz is that all that bad?

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sphery:

Hilikus: did you run optimize_mythdb.pl (in the contrib directory)

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Hilikus:

sphery no

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Hilikus:

should i?

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sphery:

yep

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Hilikus:

you dont think this is a bug?

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sphery:

That checks for corrupt DB tables (and is known to work properly; while executing mysqlcheck with the wrong args doesn't necessarily work and doesn't tell you it doesn't work)

[21:19:58]

Hilikus:

ok, let me try it

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sphery:

Hilikus: No. If it were a bug, I'd be experiencing the same. :)

[21:20:19]

Hilikus:

it could be a bug that happens in certain combination of settings

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Hilikus:

anyway, let me check that

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_Kernel:

hello all. does anyone know any good site or howto to improve video quality on a pvr150?(ie optimum settings) and also would buying a signal booster improve quality much?

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nordle:

Is there a formula I can use to get a resolution that is 1:1 or near as damnit 1:1 pixel mapping? My TV is 1:1 at 1360x768@60, but I need to do 50hz. But this puts 1:1 out the window. I've tried guessing at the calc, and fed 1416x800@50, which worked, but its no way near 1:1.

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venger:

nordle out of my own curiosity what requires you to run 50hz if not the TV?

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Hilikus:

sphery dont you think that if it was a problem with a corrupt database, new recording would be fine? since chanids are all fine. the problem i think is with the backend, its getting a wrong chanid

[21:31:21]

Hilikus:

sphery i ran the script and still nothing, no info on OSD and *new* recordings still get a wrong chanid

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xris:

yay, finally fixed my HD playback problems.. extra audio buffering...

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sphery:

nice xris

[21:33:41]

nordle:

venger: There appears to be a bug or something. I'm using PAL content, and at 60Hz on some fullscreen DVD's (1.77) there is horrible tearing that vsync does not fix. Running at 50hz sorts the problem, but breaks the mapping.

[21:33:55]

sphery:

BTW, xris, I'm loving the Perl bindings. They're much more flexible than I had realized until a couple of days ago. Thanks for hte great work on them.

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Hilikus:

whats the record table for? is it recorded shows??

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Hilikus:

cause i thought that was recordED

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sphery:

Hilikus: if the DB is corrupt, it can affect both old and new recordings. If the DB data is corrupt, but the DB is correct, it can either affect only old recordings (if it's corrupt data on the recordings) or new and old recordings (if it's corrupt data in the configuration).

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sphery:

Regardless, there's /never/ a reason to try to debug a data issue without first ensuring the DB is not corrupt... :)

[21:35:47]

Hilikus:

i guess, thats true

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sphery:

Hilikus: record is the recording rules

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Hilikus:

the chanids are already corrupt there

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sphery:

(And, BTW, you're just looking at the tables, right? If you're changing them directly through the DB, I'm not going to take the time to help you debug your issue... :)

[21:36:30]

xris:

sphery: if only I had time to update them to work with some of the new stuff in svn

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sphery:

Hilikus: Sounds like you simply need to delete and re-create your recording rules.

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Hilikus:

im not changing them, just querying them

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Hilikus:

what are the recording rules exactly? i dont have any scheduled recordings or anything, i just manually start recording while watching

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sphery:

You are using all the same versions (exact same revision if using SVN 0.20-fixes or SVN trunk--and exact same branch or all from the same release version) of mythfrontend, mythbackend, mythweb, and all plugins, right?

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sphery:

Even "

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Hilikus:

mmm im using the ubuntu package, i didnt install mythtv manually :S

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sphery:

Even "LiveTV" is recorded, so special recording rules are created for those.

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Hilikus:

you think thats the problem?

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nordle:

The manual says it will also do 1280x1024@75. I wonder if 75hz will solve the problems, its divisible by PAL (25).... I'll try it. It's not 1:1.77 though.

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sphery:

Good. Packages are the preferred approach. (And all from the same distro/repo, regardless of how many machines you have running Myth.)

[21:40:06]

Hilikus:

oh ok, so i dont know, for some reason those recording rules got corrupt

[21:40:19]

Hilikus:

the chanids are like 87549453345

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sphery:

Hilikus: Have you tried shutting down the frontend(s), then the backend(s), then starting the backend(s), the restarting the frontend(s)?

[21:41:16]

Hilikus:

yes

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sphery:

Then my recommendation is to verify your video source/input connections/channels configuration. The /only/ good way to do so is http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 . "Looking" at the tables/data doesn't qualify. :)

[21:42:52]

nordle:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1280x1024@75"; removing.

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sphery:

Make sure you shut down your frontend(s) and backend(s), first.

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nordle:

AllowNon60HzDFPModes NoHorizSyncCheck NoVertRefreshCheck NoVesaModes NoEdidModes NoXServerModes NoPredefinedModes NoDFPNativeResolutionCheck What am I missing?

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sphery:

nordle: sounds like the driver is refusing it because it's querying the EDID data and the TV/monitor provides dumbed-down EDID data.

[21:44:02]

sphery:

could try the "catchall" and disable all EDID checks

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sphery:

Option "UseEDID" "false"

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nordle:

sphery: The manual sais it does 1280x1024@75, so the EDID should support this. ahhh ok, so I did miss one.

[21:45:51]

sphery:

nordle: The EDID on my TV flat out lies and provides "Windows-friendly" info.

[21:46:44]

sphery:

The TV manufacturer found it cheaper to say the TV only supports "standard" desktop resolutions than to deal with problems caused by users using various dodgy-quality Windows drivers for various video cards...

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Hilikus:

sphery !! a reboot fixed it aaarg!

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nordle:

I luv these "consumer" goods

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sphery:

Hilikus: Sounds a /lot/ like memory corruption...

[21:47:11]

Hilikus:

mmm true

[21:47:14]

Hilikus:

damnit

[21:47:15]

sphery:

Hilikus: Maybe time for some hardware checks...

[21:47:18]

Hilikus:

yes

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sphery:

But, glad you figured it out. Good luck with the hardware.

[21:47:50]

Hilikus:

thanks a lot

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sphery:

I'm wrestling with my own hardware issues (there's a certain "high-performance" chipset vendor whose chipsets I will /never/ again use for a box that needs to be stable...)

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mchou:

sphery: who might this chipset vendor be?

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mchou:

sphery: is this nvidia?

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sphery:

mchou: How'd you guess?

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sphery:

having troubles with one of your own?

[21:51:37]

mchou:

sphery: nope. I've had really good luck with nvidia

[21:51:44]

sphery:

The bad part is my dirt-cheap SiS-based slave backend is rock-solid stable.

[21:51:47]

mchou:

they are my most stable boxen

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sphery:

My NVIDIA-based one overheats quite easily.

[21:52:09]

mchou:

lol. I have an SiS and that sucks

[21:52:27]

mchou:

sphery: the chipset overheats or the proc?

[21:52:44]

mchou:

nvidia chipsets do suck quite a bit of juice

[21:52:49]

sphery:

I'm trying to decide between just getting a new "low-performance" MB (which probably means new CPU and memory) or getting a good-quality hs/fan and hoping that fixes it.

[21:52:58]

sphery:

It's the chipset overheating.

[21:53:18]

mchou:

which nvidia chipset is this?

[21:53:53]

sphery:

I've replaced the fan on it once already. It failed after only 2 months (2nd NVIDIA-based board I've bought recently whose chipset failed within 3 months--and those are the only 2 motherboards I have that actually have fans on the chipset)

[21:53:55]

mchou:

does the chipset have a fan on top?

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mchou:

the fan failed or the chipset failed?

[21:54:45]

sphery:

fan failed

[21:55:14]

mchou:

bah, small fans are always shoddy.....

[21:55:21]

nordle:

Could I run, in theory, two displays on one display? Have the default set to 1360x768@60, but have another set to 50hz. Then direct the player to send to display 1 or 2 depending on I see its tearing?

[21:55:46]

mchou:

sphery: find an electronics surplus place and get these small fans for cheap

[21:56:08]

mchou:

sphery: no need to pay highway robbery that is retail

[21:56:38]

sphery:

This one is the Epox EP-8RDA3+ Pro MB with the nForce2 Ultra 400 chipset.

[21:57:12]

mchou:

or just mount a large heat sink on them and use a "regular" 8–12cm fan near the chipset in the case

[21:57:15]

makomk:

Hmmm... I upgraded to trunk, and recording DVB-T radio isn't working for me anymore (zero length output files).

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mchou:

nforce2?

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sphery:

mchou: I actually replaced the chipset fan with a CPU fan that was on a K6–2/380MHz I bought in 1999. It was the exact same fan that came with the MB. :)

[21:57:37]

mchou:

I dunno, nforce2 was a bit dodgy

[21:58:11]

mchou:

>=nforce3 I've had good luck

[21:58:40]

sphery:

This one runs great, but it still doesn't cool enough for really hot days (I travel a lot and turn my A/C to 82 when I'm gone). So I'm thinking of trying to find a bigger/better fan.

[21:59:11]

Hilikus:

sphery how do i get rid of the wrong entries in record?

[21:59:24]

mchou:

you should use a case that has a intacke fan on the front bottom.....

[21:59:31]

mchou:

intake*

[21:59:41]

sphery:

Yeah. I made a /huge/ mistake when I redid my Myth boxes. I went from one combined backend/frontend (SD-only) to 2 dedicated backends and 1 dedicated frontend (HD-only).

[21:59:55]

sphery:

I figured it would be cheaper to re-use my main desktop system in the mix.

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sphery:

It wasn't good enough for HDTV playback, so I figured it would be good for a master backend (because it was better than my slave backend).

[22:00:43]

mchou:

sphery: nothing wrong with taht so far.....

[22:00:47]

mchou:

that*

[22:00:48]

drgeb:

I am trying to setup mythtv for this pctv pinnecale card that I have. I am currently able to use Kaffeine and see TV so I know the card is working properly now in the Capture Card Setup, which card type should I select ?

[22:01:03]

sphery:

So, I got a new main desktop, put the old in use as a master backend, and within 2 weeks, had exploded caps on the now-master-backend MB.

[22:01:18]

mchou:

sphery: that's easy to fix

[22:01:34]

sphery:

had to replace the MB or the whole system. I replaced the MB (limited my choices to socket 462 MB's)

[22:01:41]

mchou:

get new caps and solder. don that with virtually every mobo I've owned

[22:01:52]

mchou:

done*

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mchou:

sphery: I do it as a preventative measure :)

[22:02:25]

venger:

nordle, have you tried something like 720x480 to see how it looks?

[22:02:41]

sphery:

within 6 months, I had various other failures (memory, CPU fan, chipset fan from new MB, power supply) and ended up having replaced /everything/ in the system with the exception of the CPU and the case itself...

[22:03:12]

sphery:

I considered replacing the caps, but I couldn't find a source with exactly the same ones, so it was quicker to just get a new MB.

[22:03:13]

mchou:

sphery: lol, consider yourself luck the bad board didnt take out the proc

[22:03:26]

mchou:

sphery: huh??

[22:03:39]

mchou:

sphery: mouser is one stop shop

[22:03:48]

sphery:

regardless, with all the failures, I spent about 1.5x the cost of having just replaced the entire system

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[22:03:57]

mchou:

plus why would you get the same exact ones anyway?

[22:03:58]

sphery:

mouser is across the pond, right (UK)?

[22:04:12]

mchou:

mouser is in TX

[22:04:34]

mchou:

having failed once you dont want to get the same ones

[22:05:00]

sphery:

Hmmm. WIsh I would have found it when the MB went out.

[22:05:15]

sphery:

Yeah. But I wanted electrically identical ones. :)

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mchou:

sphery: mouser would have them, I gurantee it

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[22:06:13]

sphery:

I'm not an EE, and I don't know what would be "within tolerance," so I figured I'd only replace them if I could get ones with identical specs.

[22:06:19]

mchou:

low ESR, even same form factor most times

[22:07:03]

mchou:

you want low ESR and same capacitance, hight voltage (if they fit)

[22:07:12]

mchou:

higher*

[22:07:26]

mchou:

otherwise use the same voltage rating

[22:07:58]

sphery:

At this point, though, it seems I only have a problem with the chipset fan failing and causing memory corruption.

[22:08:08]

mchou:

the only thing mouser doesnt have are rubycons....but those are expensive anyways

[22:08:54]

sphery:

I'm just trying to decide between starting fresh and trying to make existing hardware work--even though it hasn't been kind to me, so far.

[22:08:57]

mchou:

nishicon is good enough for me

[22:09:34]

sphery:

mchou: Are you an EE or just a really devoted electronics hobbyist?

[22:09:48]

mchou:

I'm a physicist

[22:09:51]

sphery:

drgeb: Should be a V4L card.

[22:09:54]

sphery:

mchou: Oh.

[22:09:58]

mchou:

that includes EE :)

[22:11:09]

mchou:

I now just be cheap ECS boards and replace all the big caps as soon as I verify the board works :)

[22:11:28]

mchou:

and so far only one has given me problems

[22:11:32]

sphery:

drgeb: "Analog V4L capture card", I think

[22:12:01]

mchou:

and that's due to a SMT resistor going bad

[22:12:02]

xris:

yay.. now something's f'd up on my alternate frontend...

[22:12:23]

mchou:

xris: at least it's the alternate :)

[22:12:40]

xris:

mchou: it's my workstation.. the one I use for cutting commercials, etc.

[22:12:41]

sphery:

xris: conservation of brokenness

[22:12:49]

sphery:

You fixed one system, so another must break.

[22:12:54]

xris:

video's messed up. everything else seems to workfine

[22:13:21]

xris:

preview video works fine, so I guess it's something to do with the playback mode

[22:14:15]

nordle:

Using http://tft.vanity.dk/ I can see virticle strips, my PC lcd does not have this. How do you know what to tweak and by how much? What can I measure?

[22:14:48]

sphery:

xris: first upgrade since the mythtv-vid merge? The default profiles for playback need a lot of fixing...

[22:15:01]

xris:

shouldn't be

[22:15:13]

xris:

but this is more like "lots of colored bits" type messed up video

[22:15:29]

xris:

and I didn't upgrade myth...

[22:15:45]

makomk:

Hmmm... there's nothing on any of the lists or in Trac suggesting DVB-T radio is broken, nothing attention-grabbing in the logs, and I've tried deleting and-rescanning the channels.

[22:15:50]

sphery:

Oh. "standard" Myth CODEC or H.264?

[22:16:17]

sphery:

makomk: It may be broken. I don't think a lot of people use it, so it probably doesn't get much testing.

[22:16:37]

xris:

I'm wondering if maybe the new nvidia driver I installed this morning is f'd up

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sphery:

that could be it, too. I just thought if it's H.264, it might be http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14599

[22:18:10]

** sphery should go work on the script he promised he'd finish tonight... **

[22:19:21]

drgeb:

sphery I selected "Analog V4L" how do i find the video device ?

[22:19:56]

makomk:

sphery: It does seem to break a lot. Now I remember why I stopped using trunk...

[22:20:02]

sphery:

Don't know--it differs for different video card drivers. I'd guess it would be /dev/video0, but that's just a guess.

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sphery:

drgeb: See if http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card and/or http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Bttv help

[22:23:05]

sphery:

xris: Do you have any plans to fix the bindings to properly detect the backend/DB settings in the near term?

[22:23:59]

sphery:

xris: AIUI, we're not supposed to use mysql.txt, anymore, so we have to do something like the frontend does with config.xml and contacting the backend UPnP server to get the DB information.

[22:24:00]

xris:

sphery: no clue how to do upnp with perl

[22:24:29]

sphery:

So we might have to implement our own "mini-UPnP" discovery for it?

[22:24:52]

sphery:

Chutt made a comment the other day about how all the contrib perl scripts need to be updated to not use mysql.txt

[22:24:59]

xris:

maybe — there are probably libraries for it.. I can't use upnp in my network because my fe is in a completely different network zone from my other machines

[22:25:21]

sphery:

So what do you do for the frontend?

[22:25:29]

sphery:

override the UPnP discovery?

[22:25:40]

xris:

it falls back to mysql.txt

[22:25:46]

sphery:

Oh.

[22:25:59]

sphery:

I'll look into it. I'm using the UPnP stuff on mine.

[22:26:14]

xris:

http://search.cpan.org/search?query=upnp

[22:26:21]

xris:

looks like there is upnp stuff in cpan

[22:26:38]

Chutt:

you could just make it use config.xml

[22:26:41]

sphery:

The contrib scripts have been annoying me, lately, because people keep submitting patches to the old broken "legacy" scripts instead of upgrading them to use the bindings.

[22:27:05]

xris:

Chutt: yeah, that'd be the correct thing to do

[22:27:27]

xris:

Chutt: except that I don't see any db info in config.xml

[22:27:33]

sphery:

Chutt: but my config.xml only has UPnP stuff in it...

[22:28:24]

xris:

cdev was supposed to add something to it to allow "fallback to mysql.txt" or "manual override" settings, though.

[22:28:42]

xris:

all we really need is the backend IP/port, assuming there's a way to query the db info directly from there.

[22:28:47]

sphery:

perhaps he's suggesting the manual override be in config.xml

[22:29:07]

sphery:

if it's not in Myth protocol now, it could easily be added.

[22:29:09]

xris:

it'd be nice if it would auto-fill, though.

[22:29:46]

xris:

and store in a global location, for those people who don't run perl scripts as the same user as the frontend.

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sphery:

auto-fill the DB info? or auto-fill the backend/port?

[22:30:57]

xris:

either/or

[22:32:07]

Chutt:

oh, right.

[22:32:08]

Chutt:

heh.

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sphery:

Well, I briefly looked at it and considered trying to hack a fix to use the UPnP stuff, but I quickly learned just how much I don't know about UPnP.

[22:32:49]

Chutt:

holy crap

[22:32:56]

sphery:

lol

[22:32:57]

Chutt:

$43 for a replacement handle for my microwave

[22:33:13]

batphone:

hello

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sphery:

I thought you were making a reference to the recent appearance of batphone ...

[22:33:34]

batphone:

i am buillding a gentoo dvr server and am wondering if the hardware i have is going to cut it

[22:33:35]

sphery:

batphone: hello.

[22:33:54]

batphone:

first off, im running a 2.5 ghz celeron w/2 gigs of ram

[22:34:11]

** sphery assumes the DVR server is a MythTV system... **

[22:34:19]

batphone:

00:0a.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11)

[22:34:22]

batphone:

sphery: yes

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batphone:

thats my capture card

[22:34:40]

batphone:

but i dont know if it does hardware mpeg encoding

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batphone:

i have two 160 gb stripes for storage

[22:35:11]

batphone:

and 1 80 gig mirror for the OS

[22:35:18]

xris:

Chutt: ouch.

[22:35:34]

Chutt:

xris, we, uh, kinda tiled the microwave in when we re-did the kitchen.

[22:35:45]

xris:

heh

[22:35:52]

sphery:

batphone: no hardware encoding, so you should be good for recording as long as you don't add additional software encoder cards.

[22:36:14]

batphone:

sphery: thanks. one other concern is the software raid stripes

[22:36:27]

batphone:

im using two promise sata s150 tx2's for the stripes

[22:36:32]

sphery:

batphone: If you want additional recording capability, I highly recommend the PVR-150 for standard-def (and your system won't be able to do high-def playback without XvMC and even then it's probably a stretch).

[22:36:44]

batphone:

they have some proprietary driver i'll have to build and i think the raid stuff is done with md rather than those cards

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makomk:

Heh: [aidan@yarrow 6 myththemes] 0$ ./configure

[22:36:54]

makomk:

Project ERROR: Please run ./configure

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psofa_laptop:

lol

[22:37:36]

sphery:

I'm personally a fan of not using multiple-disk support (no LVM, no RAID). This approach will have big benefits once 0.21 is released because you can actually record to different filesystems.

[22:38:05]

batphone:

sphery: i plan on exporting the storage to a more powerful machine with multiple heads

[22:38:18]

kormoc:

I'm a fan of raid 1/5/6 so if I lose a drive, I still have my data...

[22:38:31]

sphery:

But, if you've just got one capture card, recording won't be an issue whether you have MD or not. Myth writes small amounts of data over a very long period of time.

[22:38:40]

sphery:

(adding up to large amounts of total data)

[22:38:47]

batphone:

sphery: does it store the data in a user-friendly format?

[22:39:05]

sphery:

kormoc: I just figure TV isn't worth the cost of redundancy. :)

[22:39:09]

batphone:

i mean, can i run playback with standard media player apps?

[22:39:25]

batphone:

im assuming so.

[22:39:46]

nordle:

What does it mean If I can send a 1920x1080 signal to my TV, and it works? I need to up the font size, but beyond that it looks ok.

[22:39:50]

sphery:

If you have a software encoder card, you'll probably configure it to use MPEG-4 CODEC for the video, but it will be put in a NuppelVideo container.

[22:40:26]

sphery:

Many "standard" media player apps don't support the NUV container (i.e. Windows Media Player, Apple QuickTime, ...). MPlayer and xine should (with recent versions.)

[22:40:48]

sphery:

You can always transcode--with xris's wonderful nuvexport program--to a format of your choosing.

[22:40:52]

batphone:

sphery: excellent

[22:41:00]

sphery:

(and vlc should play NUV, also)

[22:41:03]

nordle:

My Tv isn't supposed to do 1080p, but I'm just looking at my desktop, so that won't be interlaced....will it?

[22:41:06]

batphone:

i have no intention of using windows for anything...

[22:41:10]

** xris whacks his workstation to fix the video **

[22:42:20]

sphery:

nordle: "up the font size" means you need to set up your display for Myth (i.e. at 100x100 DPI). http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . rect_this.3F http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Display_Size and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Specifyi . . . NVIDIA_Cards

[22:42:27]

** xris is amazed that people are still signing up for SD **

[22:42:52]

sphery:

I'm amazed that people went this long without anything after Z2L shut down...

[22:43:12]

xris:

heh

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xris:

I know there have been a few people who tried to do EIT, but couldn't get it working right.

[22:43:40]

sphery:

I'm wondering how many of them were using the "questionable-legality" scripts people discussed on gbpvr (or whatever) fora and found it was more expensive than $20/yr.

[22:43:47]

xris:

if we can keep this many members, we'll have no trouble keeping SD in business long-term

[22:43:52]

sphery:

Yeah. EIT in the US is a pipedream

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sphery:

(at least in my little section of the US)

[22:44:09]

sphery:

cool.

[22:44:40]

sphery:

I wonder if the ct tv guys are thinking you all are being "anti-competitive" by not writing the software they need to get their offering working with Myth. :)

[22:44:47]

xris:

I've been playing with the raw data feed from TMS lately. looks like there's a lot of cool info in there that we can use.

[22:44:52]

xris:

heh

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xris:

I think bruce was interested in helping him out with that, actually

[22:45:25]

sphery:

Yeah. He liked the idea of having 2 sources of data: TMS and, er, TMS... :)

[22:45:37]

xris:

yeah. that's the big problem

[22:45:45]

nordle:

sphery: Cheers, I'm ok with setting the DPI, I did that before. But my point is, how can I be seeing a 1920x1080 siganl, according to the TV manual, this TV will do 1080i/720p. But I'm not sending an interlaced siganl. And it hasn't downgraded it, because everything is much smaller than the default 1360x768. Could it be the panel is capable of more than what they advertise?

[22:46:03]

sphery:

I understand what he was saying, but would have found the argument more compelling if ct tv had chosen to license Gemstar data.

[22:47:38]

sphery:

nordle: There's a lot of "misinformation" in the manuals of these consumer goods. Generally people don't understand the difference between input format and display format, so the manual may mention 1080i and 720p as input formats since they're part of ATSC and leave out the "specifics."

[22:47:51]

sphery:

But, if it works and it looks good...

[22:48:35]

sphery:

(Or, then again, the manual may have been written for a slightly older rev of your TV model that didn't support it and was never updated for a new rev, like yours, that does. :)

[22:49:06]

sphery:

OK. This time I'm really off to write the myth_upcoming_recordings.pl script.

[22:50:17]

nordle:

I did the 1:1 mapping test, and it can't be mapped because I tried at 50/51/52/53Hz. But the pixels are so small, its REALLY difficult to see. When I did the test at 1360x768 it was obvious that something wasn't right at 50hz, now I cant tell :)

[22:50:22]

sphery:

OK. Almost off to work on the script...

[22:51:05]

sphery:

xris: Still around? Would you consider accepting a patch for MythTV.pm that allows one to disable "illegal-character" replacements in format_name()?

[22:51:36]

sphery:

xris: I'm finding that sub to be a nice general-purpose formatter for recordings data.

[22:51:42]

xris:

you'd have to make it a parameter to the method, and then patch the scripts that use it to pass the parameter

[22:52:19]

xris:

heck, could probably make "don't do it" the default state if you want, as long as the existing script behaviors don't change

[22:54:26]

sphery:

I was thinking of making replacement the default and adding a new optional parameter to disable replacements.

[22:59:11]

sphery:

Oh, one more...

[22:59:53]

sphery:

xris: Do you know of a way to get a localized day of week string in Perl?

[23:00:13]

xris:

not unless Date::Format has it

[23:00:20]

xris:

or Time::Format, whatever it's called

[23:00:30]

xris:

I'm at the point where I kind of want to use mysql to do all date formatting.

[23:00:39]

sphery:

I don't think it does. I found one package, but it wasn't at CPAN.

[23:00:46]

sphery:

Yeah. I'm thinking that's a good way of doing it.

[23:00:47]

xris:

since none of the perl libs are aware of daylight savings

[23:00:57]

xris:

could write it into the backend, too

[23:01:05]

sphery:

Interesting...

[23:01:21]

sphery:

How would you want it to work in the backend?

[23:01:51]

sphery:

Just provide a datevalue and have the backend give it back formatted?

[23:02:18]

sphery:

not as part of the program data stringlist, right?

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xris:

sphery: not sure.. was just throwing out the idea.

[23:03:14]

xris:

(still recovering from room-wobbling left over from cruise ship)

[23:03:29]

sphery:

cool. hope you enjoyed the cruise.

[23:03:41]

xris:

was good until seasickness settled in on the last day

[23:03:42]

sphery:

(Alaskan cruise? Carribbean?

[23:03:57]

xris:

seattle->nanaimo->victoria->sea->seattle

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xris:

short one

[23:04:03]

sphery:

cool.

[23:04:05]

xris:

only $300 each, though

[23:04:17]

sphery:

I've never done one up there. Only down here in the Carribbean.

[23:04:25]

xris:

and saved $50+ on a bottle of scotch from the duty free store on the boat. :)

[23:05:04]

sphery:

Nice.

[23:05:18]

sphery:

Which Scotch?

[23:05:23]

xris:

macallan 18 year oak

[23:05:32]

sphery:

I'm jealous.

[23:05:38]

xris:

$100 for the bottle

[23:05:54]

sphery:

But a good choice.

[23:05:58]

xris:

not my favorite, but still really good

[23:06:30]

xris:

my fav is this one: http://www.bevmo.com/productinfo.asp?sku=00000016992

[23:06:34]

sphery:

Scotch isn't one of those things where the cheapest one is good enough.

[23:06:54]

sphery:

I like that one, too.

[23:07:28]

sphery:

I do a lot of business trips to NYC and there's a bar next to the hotel I used to stay at with the best selection of scotch I've ever seen.

[23:07:49]

pavon:

hi, I'm trying to find info about what settings are needed to make the output of a pvr250 compatable with the openchrome XvMC of a CLE266.

[23:07:50]

sphery:

I did a complete tour one week. That was a good week.

[23:08:04]

xris:

would be nice to live in california where you have fewer taxes (WA liq tax is >= 25%) and get stff in the grocery store (or costco)

[23:08:29]

sphery:

Wow. That's a lot of tax.

[23:09:09]

sphery:

pavon: if the playback application (i.e. mythfrontend) supports XvMC (and mythfrontend does), it should just work.

[23:09:26]

sphery:

what's happening when you try to play it back.

[23:10:43]

xris:

sphery: good taxes (goes to education, roads, etc).. but still high. CA has income tax, we don't.

[23:10:48]

xris:

it all balances out somehow

[23:11:27]

pavon:

sphery: with mythtv, it just can't keep up at all, so I assume it is not using XvMC, with mplayer (-vo xvmc) I get the following message: "The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec"

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sphery:

pavon: Hmmm. I don't know why that would be (sounds like MPlayer build/configuration issue). For Myth, I'd start with http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Unichrome_How-To and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC

[23:14:32]

dgstinner:

does anyone know if this would work as a usable frontend? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856101033

[23:16:07]

Bearcat:

dgstinner: i don't see why not. My athlon single core 3000 works just fine

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xris:

dgstinner: other than the ati video card, which might give you some config trouble...

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** Bearcat didn't see that **

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xris:

fine if you're going dvi/hdmi, though

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sphery:

especially if you don't care about OpenGL support :)

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Bearcat:

hey folks i'm having the wierdest problem with video. I can't find any other instances of it on the mailing list. When i look at the litte preview window in my media listing, it looks fine. When i go to play the video (or any other video with mplayer, xine etc) i see this http://www.feilne-soul.com/files/bad_video.png

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Bearcat:

I've done a bit of experimenting and i think it may be the xv video driver as using x11 with mplayer works fine everytime.

[23:19:26]

Bearcat:

has anyone else seen this or is it just me?

[23:21:36]

cyrexion:

has anyone ever had a problem were the bootsplash progress bar finishes up, then gets a blank screen ( as opposed to the nVidia graphic that comes up ) ?

[23:23:09]

Bearcat:

cyrexion: nope. But i've seen that mentioned.

[23:23:36]

Bearcat:

cyrexion: try a different of the driver? What does your x log say?

[23:23:37]

cyrexion:

Bearcat: do you know where you saw mention of this?

[23:24:22]

Bearcat:

cyrexion: not in particular. Just when i was googling form something else. Try google.com/linux I'd bet you'll find something

[23:24:34]

cyrexion:

where can I find the "x log" ?

[23:24:43]

sphery:

cyrexion: I think NVIDIA's official position is that use of a framebuffer is not supported when using their proprietary driver.

[23:25:11]

keith4_:

cyrexiion: in /var/log/ ?

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keith4_:

cyrexion: ^^

[23:25:36]

sphery:

Bearcat: looks exactly like what xris was describing for his alternate frontend ( BTW, URL was http://www.feline-soul.com/files/bad_video.png )

[23:26:23]

Bearcat:

oops

[23:26:28]

Bearcat:

don't even know my own server

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Bearcat:

sphery: what? My green and yello melted crayon look instead of video looks like someone's front end? O.o

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xris:

sphery / Bearcat: that's definitely it

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xris:

Bearcat: nvidia video card?

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Bearcat:

xris: yes

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xris:

updated the drivers recently?

[23:30:52]

Bearcat:

xris: yes. the latest

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xris:

worked fine before the update?

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** Bearcat checks wen **

[23:31:43]

xris:

that's the best that I can come up with. I've been away for a few days, updated all my packages to the latest (including nvidia) and mythfrontend started looking like that when I play a video

[23:32:07]

Bearcat:

xris: ahh. 20070930:0442(+0000) cast nvidia_driver 100.14.19 success

[23:32:39]

Bearcat:

xris: did you happen to update renderproto as well (xorg-modular)?

[23:33:06]

xris:

not sure

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xris:

doesn't look like it

[23:34:36]

Bearcat:

hmm. i updated nvidia_driver to the latest version on the 22nd and didnt' start seeing probs till the 29th or so

[23:34:37]

kormoc:

xris, Bearcat, sphery, I'm using the same nvidia driver version just fine. Using xv-blit as the render

[23:35:13]

xris:

actually, only thing I see changed is xorg-x11-xtrans. not even nvidia

[23:35:34]

Bearcat:

see, since all other renderers aside from xv work just fine i'm thinking it's someting to do with X and not nvidia. And xv is the default for mplayer, gstreamer and xine so that's why i'm seeing this in all three

[23:35:50]

Bearcat:

if i do a mplayer -vo x11 [file] it works just fine

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kormoc:

Bearcat, can you try NO_XV=1 mythfrontend ? ( Least I think that's the right env var...)

[23:37:29]

Bearcat:

so i'm thinking it has to do with renderproto which libxv depends on. The wierd thing is that this doesn't happen all the time. Just about 75% of the time.

[23:38:09]

Bearcat:

kormoc: sure. I suppose the fact that the prieview window in the media listing looks fine is a clue. I'd bet that little video doesnt' use xv

[23:38:19]

kormoc:

likely

[23:39:54]

Bearcat:

no dice, but let me look up that envar on gossomer threads

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sphery:

xris: any reason we're not replacing the apostrophe in the illegal-char replacement code? Even if it's not a problem for Windows (which would surprise me), it's annoying in shells.

[23:40:27]

sphery:

(we even change double-quote to single-quote in there)

[23:40:48]

Bearcat:

sphery: but something annoying in a shell, gives you a pearl!!

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** Bearcat shuts up now **

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xris:

sphery: annoying, but not illegal

[23:41:08]

kormoc:

" is illegal?

[23:41:11]

xris:

I don't mind apostrophes, spaces, etc

[23:41:18]

xris:

kormoc: yeah, " isn't allowed in windows filenames

[23:41:26]

kormoc:

huh, fair 'nuff

[23:41:26]

sphery:

just curious.

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sphery:

In *nix only null (\0) is illegal. :)

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xris:

sphery: and theoretically a slash

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sphery:

(I should really say, in most filesystems on *nix. :)

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venger:

shouldn't the keyboard down arrow switch channels?

[23:43:43]

kormoc:

xris, touch "\\" works fine :P

[23:43:59]

xris:

kormoc: slash, not backslash

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kormoc:

ahh, heh

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xris:

Bearcat: I get the same behavior no matter what decoder I use.

[23:45:47]

sphery:

xris: Yeah. I forgot about slash.

[23:46:03]

Bearcat:

xris: really?

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venger:

ok down + enter it is then

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xris:

Bearcat: tried xlib, opengl and directx with no change

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Cardoe:

fix SD

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xris:

what's wrong"

[23:47:01]

xris:

?

[23:47:12]

Cardoe:

I got a new channel added to my lineup

[23:47:21]

Cardoe:

Robert says it's added and functional

[23:47:26]

Cardoe:

but it's not showing up on the SD website

[23:47:45]

Cardoe:

he said if it's not there by today (cache clearing and such), he'd escalate a ticket internally

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xris:

it's a TMS issue at that point

[23:48:12]

Cardoe:

ticket #686

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Cardoe:

he says he sees it in the TMS listings

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sphery:

xris: do you prefer "enhancement" for a patch that adds new functionality or "patch" for the ticket type?

[23:49:44]

xris:

enhancement

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sphery:

thx

[23:50:13]

Bearcat:

xris: is there a trouble ticket system where i could enter this as a bug or track it if it already exists?

[23:50:22]

xris:

Bearcat: svn.mythtv.org

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xris:

but it's likely not a mythtv bug

[23:50:45]

Bearcat:

xris: yeah, i don't think so either. It's at a lower level

[23:50:57]

Bearcat:

i'm betting it's a bug in xvlib or renderproto

[23:51:08]

xris:

you'd have to figure out what the exact cause is, and report it with that package's bug tracker

[23:51:13]

Bearcat:

i just wish i knew what to scale back to (version wise) to fix it

[23:52:03]

Bearcat:

well i have two other questoins that are both souds related.

[23:52:27]

Bearcat:

sound, that is. Apparently i have typo related questions as well.

[23:53:07]

sphery:

xris: If I were to add another additional parameter to allow the user to specify illegal chars (so I can replace my single-quotes ;), would you like that in a different patch?

[23:53:16]

Bearcat:

i just got an m-audio delta 1010. I have set up a softvol control for a "Master" volume control. Is there a way i can force mythtv to use it?

[23:53:38]

xris:

sphery: probably different patch but same ticket

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sphery:

BTW, I just added a single additional optional parameter ($no_replace) that defaults to false (=perform replacements), to maintain the old behavior.

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xris:

Bearcat: I'm not seeing ANY updates that should have caused this

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sphery:

OK. But since it's will collide with the no_replace patch, I'll either have to hack the patch or wait for the no_replace to be committed before I create the new patch. I can do either (I speak patch :).

[23:55:20]

Bearcat:

xris: yeah. it's really wierd isn't it?

[23:55:42]

sphery:

or maybe I should say I speak unified diff.

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xris:

Bearcat: only thing I can see that it might be is the nividia libs

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fryfrog:

damnit, does anyone know what is up with ivtvdriver.org?

[23:56:14]

fryfrog:

i thought there was an #ivtv or #ivtvdriver on freenode, but it doesn't look like there is

[23:56:14]

sphery:

I heard they disbanded and destroyed all the code repos.

[23:56:27]

fryfrog:

am i just missing something?

[23:56:29]

sphery:

(that was a bad joke... ^^^)

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Bearcat:

xris: right, but i updated nvidia on the 22nd and didn't see this behaviour will the 29th or so. I know i dropped out of x in that time (i think)

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fryfrog:

sphery: the site is very slow, almost like they are getting ddos or running over an over used cable/dsl modem :(

[23:57:07]

sphery:

fryfrog: I'm not getting anything from ivtvdriver.org, either. name resolution works, but no response.

[23:57:11]

Bearcat:

xris: well, i'll try dispelling to an earlier version and see what happends

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fryfrog:

sphery: well, at least it isn't just me. it works intermittantly :(

[23:57:57]

fryfrog:

but takes forever

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Ryushin:

On the new SVN, where is de-interlacing selected?

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xris:

Ryushin: same place it always has... menu just looks different... has different options based on screen res

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sphery:

yeah. interface is ugly, but very practical once you figure it out.

[23:59:19]

sphery:

fryfrog: just got the home page.

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Ryushin:

Well, I'm in setup, playback. I must be blind. I don't see anything about filters for de-interlacing, etc.

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xris:

sphery: except that you can't type in the res, and have to scroll one-by-one through the numbers to get to a res you want

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