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Wednesday, October 3rd, 2007, 00:06 UTC

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** directhex investigates, attempts to fix a disappearing recording **

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KaiForce:

anyone know if certain PVR250s have the wrong tuner type set by ivtv?

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KaiForce:

(by default)

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laga:

KaiForce: www.ivtvdriver.org ?

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KaiForce:

thanks laga, i will check there

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JoeyJoeJo:

my combo frontend/backend shows 30 minute recordings as being hours long and it doesn't skip commercials.. however, my laptop works fine.. how can I fix it?

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Sembiance:

I'm having some video playback issues. When browsing recordings, the previews in the bottom corner play just fine. If I play them full screen though (by choosing them) then I just get a big pink/purple blob with some green static.

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Sembiance:

Playing them fullscreen with mplayer works just fine though. NVIDIA card.

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Sembiance:

Any ideas?

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dogger:

hi I'm trying to get a mythtv frontend working on mac. I run it, and it asks for mysql details.

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dogger:

does it need a mysql server running on the local machine, or does it need to connect to the backend servers mysql?

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laga:

dogger: it has to connect to the backend server

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Sembiance:

dogger: it needs to connect to the backend server

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dogger:

whats the usual way to modify the mythtv users in mysql to allow that?

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dogger:

I've made mysql listen on the right IP,

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laga:

you start by reading the documentation

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dogger:

I'm looking at the wiki but can't find a section on having frontend/backend on different machines

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Sembiance:

Whenever I try and fast forward any video, mythfrontend video playback locks up. Hitting escape brings me back to the recording list though.

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artus:

Hi all

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Sembiance:

hello artus

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artus:

how is the best way to extract audio (wav or mp3) from a mythtv recording?

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artus:

I have done i with vdr

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dogger:

cool it works thanks... although playing media doesn't seem to :(

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Yahooadam:

dogger, edit my.cnf and get rid of bind-address

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artus:

there are some options

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cout:

sembiance: which video out device does mplayer choose?

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Yahooadam:

nvm then :p

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cout:

sembiance: check your .xsession-errors file

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dogger:

thanks yahooadam got it working

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keith4:

i want most channels to go to my SD tuner, and only the digital or HD ones to my HD tuner. what's a good way to do this?

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cout:

sembiance: and for stability issues, you can try disabling acpi

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dogger:

hrmmm When I go to play media in the frontend, it's looking on the local filesystem. I assumed it would all be streamed from the backend... is this not the case?

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cout:

keith: don't set up the channels you don't want on your HD tuner

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dogger:

do I need to run nfs or similar as well?

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Yahooadam:

dogger, it should read the backend

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keith4:

cout, I didn't, but it still seems to want to use it for SD recordings

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Yahooadam:

mythtv-setup -> general -> both ip's need to be set to external's rather then 127.0.0.1

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GreyFoxx:

It should do both. First it will check the local filesystem, then connect to the IP in your database whcih is set as the masters IP

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jedix:

is there a way to kill mythfrontend when it's waiting for a file lock (I assume it's waiting on a file lock)

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jedix:

it's showing up as [mythfrontend] <defunct>

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jedix:

pre-scaling theme images is stuck at 99%

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cout:

jedix: a defunct process is one that hasn't been reaped by its parent process

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cout:

defunct == zombie

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jedix:

cout: so.. is there a way to fix this?

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jedix:

yeah

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cout:

jedix: kill the parent process (or don't) and restart the frontend

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jedix:

the frontend is the backend as well

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jedix:

this is my issue

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cout:

not the machine

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jedix:

oh

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cout:

restart the mythfrontend process

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cout:

if it's started automatically by X, you can kill xinit and login again

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cout:

I have a button on my remote mapped to "killall xinit" to do just that for me

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Yahooadam:

pkill mythfront*

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artus:

nuvexport right

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artus:

looks fine

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tank-man:

Q: is there a way to restart mythbackend when it crashes?

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tank-man:

automatically

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jedix:

none of this works

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Yahooadam:

look at the wiki tank-man

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jedix:

pkill mythfront* didn't do anything

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jedix:

and restarting gdm didn't fix it either

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Yahooadam:

it killed mythfrontend

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Yahooadam:

or should have, it doesnt tell you if it has

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cout:

yahooadam: mythfrontend already exited

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jedix:

it's still stuck on pre-scaling theme images

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jedix:

at 99%

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Yahooadam:

so run it again cout ...

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Error403:

Hello there

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cout:

yahoo: I was referring to your pkill suggestion

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Sembiance:

cout: thank you for the info. mplayer is using -vo xv .xsession-errors has stuff in it, but I'll have to tail -f it when attempting to playback to see what ones (if any) originate from my playback of video

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jedix:

so anything else I can try?

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Yahooadam:

he said its stuck on pre-scaling themes ?

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Yahooadam:

does it crash at 99% ?

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jedix:

no

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jedix:

just sits there forever

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jedix:

right now I have this..

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cout:

jedix: but there's a non-defunct mythfrontend running now?

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jedix:

root@romanenko:/home/jedix# ps aux|grep mythf

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jedix:

mythtv 6206 6.2 0.0 0 0 ? Zl 00:14 76:32 [mythfrontend] <defunct>

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jedix:

mythtv 7386 0.3 3.3 93192 34824 ? DL 20:28 0:02 mythfrontend -l /home/mythtv/mythfrontend.log

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jedix:

mythtv 7481 0.4 3.3 94224 34808 ? DL 20:31 0:02 mythfrontend

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jedix:

mythtv 7686 1.0 3.3 94244 34828 ? DL 20:36 0:01 mythfrontend

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dogger:

great it shows my movies now, but when I try to play one, it just comes straight back to the display... how can I debug what's going wrong?

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jedix:

there are apparently three

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Yahooadam:

ubuntu ?

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cout:

the first one you can ignore

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jedix:

yes

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Yahooadam:

sudo pkill mythfront*

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jedix:

.. i am root

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Error403:

Does anyone here use the Hauppauge pvr-150 tv tuner card & IRblaster?

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jedix:

root@romanenko:/home/jedix# pkill mythfront*

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jedix:

root@romanenko:/home/jedix# ps aux|grep mythf|wc -l

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jedix:

5

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Yahooadam:

then use htop to kill it jedix :p

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cout:

jedix: try -9

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Yahooadam:

Error403 – dont pre-ask, just ask

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jedix:

i did

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jedix:

root@romanenko:/home/jedix# killall -9 mythfrontend

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jedix:

root@romanenko:/home/jedix# ps aux|grep mythf|wc -l

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jedix:

5

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cout:

can you strace one of those processes?

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cout:

might be stuck in an uninterruptible system call

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jedix:

dunno how to strace a running pid

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jedix:

how do I do that?

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Error403:

okay, I thouht it wouldn't be supported here. I can't get lircd to recognise my remote with say, irw. I have to do sudo pckgreconfigure lird, then it works. until I reboot. plus, it doesn't seem to work with mythtv yet.

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jedix:

-p pid?

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jedix:

what is the interrupt command?

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jedix:

ctrl+c?

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cout:

jedix: yes

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cout:

interrupt command?

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jedix:

Process 7386 attached – interrupt to quit

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jedix:

it's not saying anything when I attach

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cout:

error403: is lircd running after you reboot?

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Error403:

yes it is

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Error403:

but not recognising my remote

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Yahooadam:

Error403 – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_lirc_install

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cout:

jedix: and it's not using any CPU?

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dogger:

this is weird – If I startup the frontend, and go straight to [Media Library]->[Watch Videos] I can see all my videos... however, if I try to play one it fails... but if I go into [Utils/Setup]->[Video manager], it says they are all missing...

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jedix:

ffs

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fryfrog:

dogger: are you using a seperate backend and frontend?

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dogger:

they all play fine on the backend machine

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dogger:

yes I am

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fryfrog:

dogger: are the videos in the *exact* same place on the front end?

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jedix:

strace's are not interruptable when I attach them

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fryfrog:

i bet not

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jedix:

cout: none

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fryfrog:

On my setup, my "backend" is an NFS server that shares out "/data"

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dogger:

no I was under the impression that was taken care of – the files are streamed across. Are you saying I need to organize nfs myself?

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fryfrog:

my "/data" contains a recordings and video dir

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jedix:

which is why I wonder if it's a lock file or something

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fryfrog:

dogger: for *video*, yes, unfortunatly

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dogger:

ah! ok,

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fryfrog:

so i mount /data on *all* my myth systems

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dogger:

thanks

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fryfrog:

mythbackend will stream things recorded by it

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fryfrog:

but not stuff from the mythvideo plugin

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dogger:

and it has to be the same path you say?

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fryfrog:

or, if the fe finds it mounted locally in the same place, it'll play that way

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jedix:

mythtv: could not connect to socket

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jedix:

mythtv: No such file or directory

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fryfrog:

yeah

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fryfrog:

so i you have em in "/mnt/samba/poop/" on your BE/FE, it'll need to be in the same place on your remote FE

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dogger:

right

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fryfrog:

which is why I use /data/video and /data/recordings, so i can just NFS mount /data and it all comes in

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dogger:

sure ok

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cout:

jedix: oh, I think that DL in the ps output means uninterruptible

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fryfrog:

the same is true of mythmusic

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fryfrog:

so i have /data/music as well :)

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jedix:

cout: damnit

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Yahooadam:

SSH with X over internet = yawn

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cout:

jedix: which stinks, because it would be nice to know what it's stuck on

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jedix:

cout: did you see what I posted?

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jedix:

mythtv: could not connect to socket

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jedix:

mythtv: No such file or directory

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jedix:

think that's it?

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cout:

jedix: who's the parent of the defunct mythfrontend process?

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cout:

jedix: I did see that, but I didn't know what you were referring to

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jedix:

cout: it's in the log..

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jedix:

-l <logfile> of mythfrontend

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jedix:

cout: there is no parent listed

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jedix:

which is upsetting

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cout:

jedix: pstree -p?

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jedix:

mythfrontend(6206)───{mythfrontend}(6258)

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jedix:

seems when I try and kill them, they stay around even though the parents are killed because they are in uninterruptable state

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jedix:

what is the lock file it should check?

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cout:

that's odd, those pids weren't there in your earlier output

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jedix:

perhaps it's not removed or something?

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jedix:

yeah

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jedix:

I restarted gdm

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jedix:

mythtv 6206 6.1 0.0 0 0 ? Zl 00:14 76:32 [mythfrontend] <defunct>

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jedix:

mythtv 7386 0.1 3.3 93192 34824 ? DL 20:28 0:02 mythfrontend -l /home/mythtv/mythfrontend.log

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jedix:

mythtv 7481 0.1 3.3 94224 34808 ? DL 20:31 0:02 mythfrontend

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jedix:

mythtv 7686 0.1 3.3 94244 34828 ? DL 20:36 0:01 mythfrontend

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jedix:

mythtv 7870 0.5 3.3 93196 34812 ? DLl 20:48 0:01 mythfrontend -l /home/mythtv/mythfrontend.log

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jedix:

annoying

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fryfrog:

~pastebin

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jedix:

sorry

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fryfrog:

er, pastebin.com or .ca :)

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jedix:

is there something I can add to get more debug info to mythfrontend?

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Yahooadam:

ive already used 100gb of my 500gb hdd

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Yahooadam:

that sux ass

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jedix:

ha

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jedix:

908G 690G 172G 81% /dat

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Yahooadam:

yeah but i wanted mine to hold 1–2 months of recordings :p

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jedix:

hehe

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venger:

how much do you have yahoo, timewise

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jedix:

hd?

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Yahooadam:

not HD

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jedix:

you should have a fair bit of recordings then

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jedix:

transcoded?

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jedix:

what are the options on myhtfrontend

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jedix:

I can't the the gd command to print help

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Rommie:

Can someone explain something to me?

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Rommie:

How the frick do you lose a bloody laptop?

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cout:

jedix: can you run mythfrontend from an xterm?

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jedix:

cout: yes

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cout:

jedix: and it does the same thing?

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jedix:

cout: sec

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Yahooadam:

hmm ok

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Yahooadam:

yes i do have alot :p

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cout:

a lot

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Yahooadam:

2500 mins ish

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Yahooadam:

ie 41.5 hours

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jedix:

hrm

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jedix:

fvwm2 is kicking me out right away

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jedix:

i'l try as a different user

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venger:

Yahooadam, you could always archive onto DVD couldn't you?

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Yahooadam:

not really

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Yahooadam:

im at uni, my arms dont stretch like 100 miles :p

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jedix:

cout: same thing

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venger:

oh well, maybe 500gb usb drives will be out in a couple years

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jedix:

they are out now

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Yahooadam:

what do u mean in a couple of years

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cout:

jedix: that's what I figured, now can you trace it with strace mythfrontend?

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Yahooadam:

lol

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venger:

thumb

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venger:

=)

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Yahooadam:

i just ordered a 500gb esata/usb drive :)

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Yahooadam:

my aim is to get it home every couple of months

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Yahooadam:

move the recordings

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Yahooadam:

that frees up another 500gb :p

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jedix:

cout: open(/dev/hdb", O_RDONLY

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jedix:

etc

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jedix:

cout: that's my dvd drive

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venger:

41 hours SD ~100gb is not to bad

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cout:

interesting

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jedix:

indeed

[01:11:06]

jedix:

there is no disc in it

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cout:

do you see anything in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog regarding that drive?

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Yahooadam:

thats mostly unencoded i think venger

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Yahooadam:

but its like 3–4 days recording lol

[01:11:59]

jedix:

[13222.476000] hdb: lost interrupt

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jedix:

[13222.476000] hdb: request sense failure: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }

[01:12:02]

jedix:

[13222.476000] hdb: request sense failure: error=0xb0 { LastFailedSense=0x0b }

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jedix:

not cool

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jedix:

my dvd drive is dead?

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Agrajag-:

probably

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cout:

quite possibly

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jedix:

that's unfortunate

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cout:

or maybe a reboot will fix it

[01:12:50]

cout:

"fix"

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venger:

or a cable reseat

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jedix:

a reboot does fix it

[01:13:23]

jedix:

but the backend is recording right now

[01:13:39]

jedix:

those errors happened ages ago

[01:13:52]

jedix:

well

[01:13:53]

jedix:

Oct 2 03:54:03

[01:14:04]

jedix:

it is currently Tue Oct 2 21:13:46 EDT 2007

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cout:

maybe you can remove /dev/cdrom temporarily until you can figure out what's going wrong

[01:14:44]

jedix:

wilco

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Yahooadam:

was gonna ask how to transcode recorded programs

[01:15:21]

Yahooadam:

but as im going back this week, easier not to bother

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jedix:

cout: removing /dev/cdrom does not stop myth from trying to use it

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cout:

dunno then

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jedix:

god damnit

[01:17:02]

** jedix gets hammer **

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jedix:

house is on

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jedix:

I'm not resetting the box

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Yahooadam:

77 programmes, using 75 GB (1 day 19 hrs 2 mins) out of 458 GB (360 GB free).

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fryfrog:

450G, you wimp :P

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Yahooadam:

supposed to be a 500gb hdd

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Yahooadam:

meh

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fryfrog:

stupid 1024 vs. 1000 :(

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Yahooadam:

if i could get mythtv to use more then 1hdd i could have like 1.5tb availible for it :p

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jedix:

use lvm

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fryfrog:

raid5, lvm

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jedix:

that's what I have

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fryfrog:

or even svn of mythtv, which can use multiple drives

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jedix:

lvm ftw

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fryfrog:

lvm ftl :/

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fryfrog:

:)

[01:22:57]

jedix:

why ftl?

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Yahooadam:

raid5 lvm is hassssssle

[01:23:06]

jedix:

just lvm it

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Yahooadam:

and so's svn mythtv :p

[01:23:18]

jedix:

nah

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fryfrog:

i'm just teasin, i only don't like lvm as the added hasstle

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fryfrog:

kernel software raid5 is good enough, don't need any lvm on top of it

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fryfrog:

(me, that is)

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Yahooadam:

plus wont lvm's raid5 only work on equal sized drives

[01:24:02]

Yahooadam:

or resize to the smallest drive

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fryfrog:

114 programs, using 254 GB (4 days 4 hrs 35 mins) out of 1.5 TB (248 GB free).

[01:24:11]

fryfrog:

all raid5 only works on equal size drives

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jedix:

don't do the raid5

[01:24:18]

fryfrog:

(or partitions of the same size, actually)

[01:24:18]

jedix:

just lvm it

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jedix:

why raid5?

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fryfrog:

yeah, i guess if it is just myth data, no raid5 it

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jedix:

you worried about losing the data?

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fryfrog:

but i care about integrity cause i do more than just myth on my 1.5TB :)

[01:25:02]

jedix:

what's your current solution for the 1.5TB?

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fryfrog:

6x320G software kernel raid5

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fryfrog:

adding 2x more drives in a few days actually

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Yahooadam:

anyway, i can only carry 500gb at a time, so no point giving mythtv more then that

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jedix:

then just use the md for myth

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fryfrog:

so it'll be 8x320G raid5 about 2.1G

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jedix:

carry 500gb at a time?

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fryfrog:

yeah, i don't get that either :/

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Yahooadam:

my mythtv backend is like 100 miles away :p

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fryfrog:

ah, so you record stuff and throw it onto a drive every once in a while and watch it?

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Yahooadam:

you got it :)

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Yahooadam:

and i cant have the backend with me otherwise i have to pay a certain .... cost ... you get in britain for having a tv tuner

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Yahooadam:

well i could technically afford it, but i dont want to pay the BBC £100's when i dont even watch their crap

[01:29:06]

Yahooadam:

pay them £100's twice even

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fryfrog:

Yahooadam: ah, so where is your BE?

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fryfrog:

not in the UK?

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fryfrog:

or with someone who already pays it?

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Yahooadam:

its at home

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Yahooadam:

im in halls at uni

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Yahooadam:

my parents pay a tv liscence

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Yahooadam:

and i pay for sky (which i wouldnt be allowed in halls due to wiring)

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Yahooadam:

and mythtv records it all for me :)

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Yahooadam:

nn all

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JoeyJoeJo:

my combo frontend/backend shows 30 minute recordings as being hours long and it doesn't skip commercials.. however, my laptop works fine.. how can I fix it?

[02:14:45]

linagee:

is there a CLI mythtv-setup? :-/

[02:15:18]

linagee:

my pvr-250 is still not working right and i don't know what's up. :(

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keith4:

how do I delete all of my channel information?

[02:17:11]

Aval0n-:

in channel editor?

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keith4:

not guide data, but results of channel scans

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Aval0n-:

under the backend

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JoeyJoeJo:

keith4: in mythtv-setup delete the video source

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Aval0n-:

or that too

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keith4:

Aval0n-: if there were a check-all button.... that'd be great

[02:17:49]

Aval0n-:

erm

[02:17:55]

Aval0n-:

just blow away the video source

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Aval0n-:

that's a "check all" kinda

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Aval0n-:

or you can just hold shift

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keith4:

heh

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Aval0n-:

and down

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Aval0n-:

to select them all

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keith4:

next question.... every time I delete all tuners and add them again, it keeps counting up

[02:19:12]

keith4:

so I end up with tuners 5,6,7,8, etc.

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Aval0n-:

lol never seen thatl.

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keith4:

can I go rename tuners with phpmyadmin perhaps?

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Aval0n-:

erm that's seems overly rediculous

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Aval0n-:

you shouldn't have to

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keith4:

eh, not a big deal

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keith4:

I have multiple SD tuners and an HD tuner, I need to do 2 channel scans, right? one on an SD card, one on the HD card?

[02:22:25]

Aval0n-:

correct

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Aval0n-:

you should be able to change the tuners in the back end.

[02:22:36]

Aval0n-:

<Shrug>

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keith4:

is fetching channels from listings data accurate?

[02:22:57]

keith4:

i like the scan, but my channels are all named "Adding Channel ##"

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cal:

i lost /dev/sda1, my root partition, but /dev/sda3, my /myth partition is still intact... trying to just do an upgrade but the upgrade doesnt mount /dev/sda3 to /myth or use my backup files in /myth/backup.. ?

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squish102:

keith4 there is a mythfilldatabase option that will change it

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squish102:

i think

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keith4:

squish102: so there is... thanks!

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venger:

cal ? what are you booting if you lost root? a live CD, knoppix/knoppmyth?, you using sata drives? is sata support in it?

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cal:

venger: knoppmyth. i think i just need to make sure /etc/fstab exists with an entry fir /dev/sda3 to /myth before i run the livecd setup

[02:37:41]

cal:

trying that now

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keith4:

you can always fix it after the fact

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venger:

well you could console and so a dmesg | grep sd and the like... make sure it sees it

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cal:

venger: this all started when i set up a manual recording for 99999 minutes... it created a 250gb file, then the system told me to run e2fsck, which in turn put half my filesystem into /lost+found... lol

[02:40:54]

linagee:

when i run mythtv-setup, i see "main" "mythtv" and a wrench. am i supposed to see a menu or something???

[02:41:08]

venger:

well my first response is use ext3 from this point foward

[02:41:09]

cal:

at least i didnt lose my videos or my sql database, knoppmyth puts those on a seperate partition. (good idea!)

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cal:

venger: i thought ext3 was the default nowadays for most distros

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venger:

canned things? probably. i've ran out of space and not had that issue. you may want to put a higher reserve percentage on the fs, just not sure why journaling did handle things in your case

[02:44:12]

cal:

sweet! it worked..

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venger:

c/did/didn't

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cal:

maybe there was a better way than setting up a recording for 99999 minutes? what it was is, the browns game was on at 1pm last sunday, but i wasnt home all weekend, and i wanted to stream it. problem is, you cant set up mythstream to stream a recording that doesnt exist yet, so i started it way early (thurs) and just had it record the same channel all weekend.

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venger:

well the 250gb file should have went on your other partitions, other than /, i'm confused on that part. I dont use mythstream so if you weren't certain of a time i'm not sure what else you would have done

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cal:

venger: your exactly right. it went on /dev/sda3 (/myth) but for some reason /dev/sda1 got hosed. unless it was just a coincidence that it happened at the same time.

[02:50:21]

mzb_d800:

hi all, I'm having trouble debugging a problem, so I thought I'd better check here before I go (more) insane

[02:51:12]

mzb_d800:

I have two machines (each are combined frontend and backends) with one of them acting as a master backend

[02:51:18]

cal:

venger: i think i need to set up a cronjob instead.. and figure out how to fire mythstream from the command line rather than mythweb.

[02:51:38]

mzb_d800:

each backend has a tuner (one analog, the other digital)

[02:51:50]

mzb_d800:

I can view livetv on each frontend for the local tuner

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venger:

you going to integrity check that sda1 or toss it?

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mzb_d800:

am I supposed to be able to view livetv for a non-local tuner?

[02:52:26]

cal:

venger; tossed it. reinstalled already.

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linagee:

ack. what does this mean? "Channel(/dev/video0): SetInputAndFormat() failed"

[02:53:17]

cal:

it means your setinputandformat function failed =)

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linagee:

cal: but i can manually use the recorder to copy mpeg2 to a file

[02:54:03]

linagee:

(PVR-250)

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mzb_d800:

I am currently unable to watch livetv on machine A, from a tuner connected to machine B (that sounds like a better description)

[02:54:17]

mzb_d800:

anybody got advice?

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cal:

lin: no clue

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mzb_d800:

I have a common NFS share (which works), and a firewall setup (which I think works)

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GreyFoxx:

linagee: What kind of card do you have it defined as in mythtv-setup ?

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mzb_d800:

each backend can see the other

[02:55:27]

venger:

enable mythfrontend logging?

[02:55:52]

mzb_d800:

the mysql server is remote, and both A + B can access mythconverg properly

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linagee:

GreyFoxx: i'm not sure how to use mythtv-setup

[02:56:52]

linagee:

GreyFoxx: can you explain how it works for you?

[02:57:01]

linagee:

you type mythtv-setup, then what

[02:57:06]

GreyFoxx:

ummmm huh?

[02:57:15]

GreyFoxx:

It's a gui application

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linagee:

GreyFoxx: tell me exaclty what you see on screen

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GreyFoxx:

you run it, then navigate with your keyboard to where you actually defined the card

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linagee:

????

[02:57:51]

linagee:

GreyFoxx: i run mythtv-setup and i get a wrench, it says "main" and "mythtv"

[02:58:08]

linagee:

GreyFoxx: no menu, but it takes me to configuration screens when i push the right arrow. (???)

[02:58:24]

GreyFoxx:

Weird

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linagee:

i'm using freenx

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linagee:

and a tiny wm

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linagee:

twm i think or something like that

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cal:

lin: it takes over xwindows as a full screen graphical app with like 6 choices

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linagee:

does the mythtv-setup gui actually depend on your WM???

[02:59:01]

GreyFoxx:

nope

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linagee:

cal: i see zero choices. :(

[02:59:07]

linagee:

cal: it takes over full screen

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linagee:

i get the gray stylish background and the wrench

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venger:

linagee start x in a lower resolution

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mzb_d800:

I had that problem recently ... I forget the solution

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mzb_d800:

but I'm sure I found the answer in the logs (or on google)

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cal:

lin: look for errors in the xterm taht you started mythtv-setup from

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GreyFoxx:

Sounds more like missing fonts or something

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mzb_d800:

that's it

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cal:

try control-alt + or control-alt -

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mzb_d800:

it was arial missing

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linagee:

cal: should i be starting it with mythbackend running?

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Captain_Murdoch:

linagee: did you install myth or are you running it from a source dir?

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mzb_d800:

install msttcorefonts

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linagee:

cal: that doesn't work with freenx

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cal:

i guess they think your missing some fonts lol

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linagee:

Captain_Murdoch: using rpms

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linagee:

cal: HRM

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linagee:

cal: could be...

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mzb_d800:

linagee: mythtv-setup needs to be started without mythbackend running

[03:01:06]

linagee:

2007-10–02 19:59:55.566 Using the Qt painter

[03:01:06]

linagee:

mythtv: could not connect to socket

[03:01:06]

linagee:

mythtv: No such file or directory

[03:01:06]

linagee:

lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceding messages

[03:01:15]

linagee:

are those bad error messages?

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mzb_d800:

linagee: install msttcorefonts (or relevant package that has arial fonts)

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cal:

mzb: that wouldnt cause his no menu prob though

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mzb_d800:

google it :)

[03:01:54]

mzb_d800:

I was surprised too ... but googling it came up with that ... and (iirc) it fixed my problem

[03:02:39]

mzb_d800:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/286856

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keith4:

so... for all of the digital subchannels, should I go through and set the XMLTVID to the same as the analog channel?

[03:06:41]

linagee:

mzb_d800: i'm trying that now. (several steps)

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mzb_d800:

k

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mzb_d800:

think I've found my problem: only had one video source for both tuners

[03:10:11]

mzb_d800:

;)

[03:10:38]

linagee:

does xfs need to be running? lol

[03:12:14]

linagee:

hmm. still no dice

[03:12:23]

linagee:

i have msttcorefonts installed and everything

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mzb_d800:

restarted X ?

[03:13:05]

mzb_d800:

(or rebooted for sanity?)

[03:13:44]

linagee:

mzb_d800: i'm installing some group rpms for sanity

[03:13:53]

mzb_d800:

when you start mythtv-setup and notice there are no menu entries, alt-tab back to the console and look for error messages

[03:13:56]

linagee:

installing group "Window Managers" and KDE

[03:14:21]

linagee:

maybe it will catch a dependency it needed

[03:14:26]

mzb_d800:

(I usually start mythtv-setup over ssh, and use --geometry 800x600)

[03:14:27]

linagee:

(funny there's no error though. :( )

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linagee:

maybe i will try that too. i'm at 1024x768

[03:15:35]

linagee:

191MB of rpms to download. heh

[03:15:40]

** linagee hugs yum **

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mzb_d800:

linagee: if there was an equivalent to apt-cacher for rpm's you'd be smiling :)

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mzb_d800:

(if not laughing)

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kusznir_:

Hi all: My myth system recently started acting up, and I don't know how to troubleshoot further. The symptoms indicate to me insufficient CPU or hard disk I/O, yet nothing has changed and the system had been working fine for months.

[03:22:42]

kusznir_:

Now, whenever a recording or commertial flagging is in progress, the video pauses every few seconds.

[03:23:50]

kusznir_:

We also now get recordings where chunks (a few seconds to a few minutes) are "missing"; sometimes its so bad that myth exits the recording during playback.

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kusznir_:

Often, these recordings have a lot of "problems" pixilazation(sp?) and such) off and on for a few minutes before the cut-out.

[03:24:52]

Landon:

say I moved some files from regular mythtv storage and they got deleted without mythtv knowing

[03:24:58]

Hilikus:

how do i make mythtv change channel using IR blaster? i have lirc configure already

[03:25:09]

Landon:

when I go to select them all in Watch Recordings and try to delete tehm it doesnt work

[03:25:15]

Landon:

nothing really happens

[03:25:28]

Hilikus:

but how does it know which are the right codes for my STB?

[03:25:30]

Landon:

I want it to know that it has recorded them, but they no longer exist on the computer

[03:25:31]

kusznir_:

Right now, for example, I have two recordings in progress (PVR-500), and my system load is 4.43 while top still reports about 40% of the CPU idle.

[03:25:34]

Landon:

is this possible?

[03:25:43]

kusznir_:

(no playback, no comm. flagging)

[03:25:51]

Landon:

that sounds about normal for me kusznir_

[03:26:27]

kusznir_:

What's not normal is that I can't playback video right now and not have it be very choppy. It used to work, and nothing that I can trace changed.

[03:26:53]

kusznir_:

P4 1.4Ghz.

[03:34:02]

kusznir_:

I'm also now getting periodic kernel log messages from ivtv about all MPEG stream buffers are full, dropping data because the application is not reading fast enough.

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mzb_d800:

kusznir_: so what changed?

[03:39:13]

mzb_d800:

is your disk full? (are you using ext2|3?)

[03:39:57]

Hilikus:

any ideas how to configure an IR blaster?

[03:41:45]

cal:

how do i clean up my video listing to remove entries that no longer have associated video files in /myth/tv?

[03:43:28]

Landon:

thats what I'm looking for too cal :)

[03:43:52]

Landon:

best thing I've found so far is the Delete Recordings menu... takes like 3–4 ke4ypresses

[03:43:55]

cal:

lol

[03:45:35]

Landon:

egh

[03:45:36]

Landon:

more like 7

[03:45:40]

mzb_d800:

press M when the video is highlighted

[03:45:48]

mzb_d800:

(in the view recordings list)

[03:46:23]

Landon:

it doesnt do anything

[03:46:31]

Landon:

I go down to delete but they

[03:46:35]

Landon:

re ll still listed

[03:46:42]

Landon:

curses, I got apostrophe'd

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cal:

mzb: no way to auto-sync everything?

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mzb_d800:

err ... I think there's a mythfilldatabase option to do it

[03:49:22]

Landon:

thats just for listings?

[03:50:33]

Landon:

cal: I think using mythweb might be the "fast" way

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cal:

hmm

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Landon:

actually

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Landon:

its not even deleting

[03:52:23]

chuk:

having a problem with mythweb: http://www.pastebin.ca/723906

[03:52:53]

chuk:

I tried increasing the memory limit in php.ini, but there was no change

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Hilikus:

so nobody know how to configure the ir blaster from a haupauge 150 to control a STB??

[03:53:41]

chuk:

and yes I restarted apache

[03:53:56]

cesman:

chuk: I assume you restart Apache after the increase?

[03:54:14]

chuk:

yup

[03:54:20]

chuk:

even restarted PC once

[03:54:26]

mzb_d800:

Landon: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/292017

[03:54:38]

chuk:

its always the same message, no matter what I set memory_limit to

[03:54:40]

cal:

hmmmmmm... mythrebuilddatabase.pl

[03:54:58]

cesman:

Hilikus: http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24

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Landon:

mzb_d800: unfortunately it complains about missing storagegroup

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chuk:

cesman, found my problem

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Landon:

hm I cant find a copy of rebuilddatabase.pl on my system

[04:04:05]

chuk:

in .htaccess there is a variable called php_value memory_limit 32M

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chuk:

that was overriding what was in php.ini

[04:04:36]

mzb_d800:

Landon: I came up with a hack (or two) when I had that problem a few months ago

[04:05:10]

mzb_d800:

I think the first time, I touched tmp files in the recording directory (to replace the missing files) and then deleted them

[04:05:25]

mzb_d800:

the 2nd time, I think I just deleted them manually from the database

[04:05:58]

mzb_d800:

(phpmyadmin comes in handy;)

[04:06:14]

Landon:

I dont know what my missing files are >.<

[04:06:27]

mzb_d800:

you should be able to see their names in the log

[04:06:27]

Landon:

there are a good 700+ of them

[04:06:39]

mzb_d800:

gee

[04:06:47]

mzb_d800:

better write a script then ;)

[04:07:13]

Landon:

heh

[04:07:21]

Landon:

I wish

[04:07:24]

Landon:

have other stuff to get done

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kusznir_:

mzb_d800: That's the point: I don't know what changed...My disks are not full (29% for /myth; 62% for /). I think the myth system crashed and was rebooted about the time the problems started. Since then I've done several clean reboots.

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kusznir_:

clean reboots done as an attempt to correct whatever was broke)

[04:11:07]

kusznir_:

mzb_d800: oh, yea../myth is xfs.

[04:11:21]

mzb_d800:

Landon: //www.opensubscriber.com/message/mythtv-users@mythtv.org/3914819.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/mythtv- . . . 3914819.html

[04:11:46]

mzb_d800:

Landon: sounds like the easiest way is to touch the non-existent file and allow for auto-expire

[04:12:05]

Landon:

ok

[04:12:12]

Landon:

wheres this log that shows the files that arent found then?

[04:12:26]

mzb_d800:

should be in the backend log (I think)

[04:12:32]

mzb_d800:

something like:

[04:12:56]

Landon:

or would setting autoexpire be enough

[04:13:50]

mzb_d800:

err

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mzb_d800:

can you run a command for me on your backend?

[04:14:02]

Landon:

ok

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mzb_d800:

# grep "File doesn\'t exist" /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log | head -n1

[04:15:10]

mzb_d800:

and just paste a|the single line

[04:15:27]

mzb_d800:

(if any)

[04:15:56]

Landon:

none

[04:16:01]

mzb_d800:

ok

[04:16:16]

mzb_d800:

# grep -i exist /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log | head -n1

[04:16:17]

Landon:

cat /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log doesnt show anything either

[04:16:22]

mzb_d800:

ah

[04:16:31]

mzb_d800:

# ps ax | grep back

[04:16:42]

mzb_d800:

and see if mythbackend is running with log option

[04:17:06]

mzb_d800:

(--logfile)

[04:17:30]

Landon:

7010 pts/1 Sl+ 1:53 mythbackend

[04:17:31]

keith4:

any chance I can submit my digital channel identification to SD?

[04:18:00]

Landon:

mzb_d800: I just run it as a user anymore

[04:18:11]

Landon:

I dont use --logfile though

[04:18:20]

mzb_d800:

turn your logfile on

[04:18:27]

Landon:

it is now

[04:18:38]

kusznir_:

keith4: I'd post the question to the SD forums.

[04:18:48]

mzb_d800:

ok, try and select a video that doesn't exist and have a look at the log again

[04:19:19]

Landon:

nothing in the log with cat :\

[04:19:41]

mzb_d800:

make sure the dir exists

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mzb_d800:

and ensure that logfile is owned by mythtv:mythtv

[04:20:23]

keith4:

kusznir_ okay, good idea. in the meantime... is mythfilldatabase going to overwrite my channel map?

[04:20:32]

Landon:

2007-10–02 23:20:59.975 ERROR when trying to delete file: /home/Landon/Videos/MythTV/The Colbert Report – 2005-10–17 9–30.nuv. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed.

[04:20:43]

mzb_d800:

ok

[04:21:29]

mzb_d800:

make a small script (ie. touch-non-existent.sh) in your mythtv homedir

[04:21:39]

mzb_d800:

#!/bin/sh

[04:21:49]

kusznir_:

keith4: Not sure, but I recall seeing some mythfilldb options that effect some of those behaviors.

[04:22:43]

Landon:

wait, mzb, I still have links to all of the files in another dir

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mzb_d800:

ah

[04:22:57]

Landon:

so I just need a quick bash script to touch those files in my myth dir

[04:23:02]

mzb_d800:

yes

[04:23:04]

mzb_d800:

easy

[04:23:18]

mzb_d800:

s/easy/easier + quicker/

[04:25:11]

mzb_d800:

ls somedir/ | while read fn; do [ -h "$fn" ] && touch mythdir/"$fn"; done

[04:25:38]

mzb_d800:

ls somedir/ | while read fn; do [ -h "$fn" ] && echo "$fn" && touch mythdir/"$fn"; done

[04:26:27]

mzb_d800:

ls somedir/ | while read fn; do [ -h "somedir/$fn" ] && echo "$fn" && touch mythdir/"$fn"; done

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mzb_d800:

ls somedir/ | while read fn; do [ -h "somedir/$fn" ] && echo "$fn" && touch mythdir/"$fn"; done

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Landon:

hm

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Landon:

nothing

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Landon:

well I need to get to my calculus homework

[04:32:38]

Landon:

:\

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keith4:

soneofabitch

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keith4:

i have 2 SD recorders and 1 HD recorder.... I schedule something for channel 102#1, and it tries to record on the first SD recorder

[04:35:02]

oneo:

anyone konw how to tell what display your X is running on?

[04:35:15]

oneo:

ive tried export DISPLAY=:0.0 and it doesnt work

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keith4:

if X is already running, starting a new one will tell you where the existing one is

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keith4:

unless you tell it otherwise

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oneo:

"Server is already active for display 0"

[04:37:08]

keith4:

what distro?

[04:37:16]

oneo:

knoppmyth

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keith4:

hit alt-F7

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oneo:

no keyboard :-(

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oneo:

thats why i need to ssh

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keith4:

to run mythtv-setup or such?

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oneo:

yah

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keith4:

ssh -X host

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cal:

mzb: i need to do the same thing as landon but i dont have a list of what entries dont have video files

[04:42:52]

oneo:

keith – what if i want to have mythtv-setup show up on my tv?

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oneo:

i used to be able to do export DISPLAY=0.0 && mythtv-setup

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keith4:

ah

[04:43:38]

keith4:

you need to do that as root, unless you tell the xserver to allow connections from you

[04:43:49]

keith4:

i think with xauth

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Sedorox:

xhost iirc

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keith4:

ah yes

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keith4:

xhost+ or something like that

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Sedorox:

xhost +<host>

[04:45:02]

Sedorox:

I tink

[04:45:15]

Sedorox:

yes

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oneo:

so like xhost +localhost?

[04:46:07]

Sedorox:

your trying to run mythtv-setup on a backup.. while X is running on another machine, right?

[04:46:11]

mzb_d800:

# store="/location/of/myth/storage/"; tail -F /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log | grep "File doesn\'t exist. Database metadata will not be removed" | sed "s/$.*$$${store}.*nuv$$.*$/\2" | while read fn; do touch "${fn}"; done

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Sedorox:

backend*

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mzb_d800:

cal ^^ something like that, and just keep it running

[04:47:14]

keith4:

just xhost + will do... that will allow anyone to push displays to your x server

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mzb_d800:

# store="/location/of/myth/storage/"; tail -F /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log | grep "File doesn\'t exist. Database metadata will not be removed" | sed "s/$.*$$${store}.*nuv$$.*$/\2" | while read fn; do echo "$fn"; touch "${fn}"; done

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mzb_d800:

s/echo/logger/

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oneo:

Sedorox – i just have 1 mythbox..and i ssh in from a windows machine...but when i issue "mythtv-setup" from the ssh prompt (logged in as root or mythtv) it says unable to connect to X on display 0

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keith4:

oy

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cal:

mzb: hmmm, okay

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Sedorox:

oneo: you want the setup to show on your windows machine?

[04:49:17]

oneo:

no just on the TV

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cal:

mzb: your good at throwing those scripts together quick lol

[04:49:40]

Sedorox:

and X is running.. as in you got display on the TV?

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oneo:

yep

[04:50:24]

Sedorox:

DISPLAY=:0.0 mythtv-setup

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Sedorox:

exactly like that

[04:50:30]

Sedorox:

should work

[04:50:58]

oneo:

Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server

[04:50:58]

oneo:

Xlib: No protocol specified

[04:50:58]

oneo:

mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server :0.0

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keith4:

after you run xhost + on the myth box

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Sedorox:

xhost shouldn't matter tho.. as its the same box

[04:51:25]

Sedorox:

tho it won't hurt anything either

[04:51:50]

mzb_d800:

cal: not sure if it will work, but something like that

[04:51:53]

keith4:

it absolutely matters

[04:52:07]

mzb_d800:

cal: ps, I've had a bit of practice with scripts ;)

[04:52:10]

keith4:

and I think it has to be run as the user who owns the X session

[04:52:11]

Sedorox:

keith4: I believe I've been able to do such things before without xauth'ing the same box

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mzb_d800:

eg1: http://ramdisk-rescue.svn.sourceforge.net/vie . . . e/trunk/src/

[04:52:18]

oneo:

sometimes i get "Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key"

[04:52:44]

oneo:

yeah if i run as user mythtv i get that

[04:52:49]

mzb_d800:

eg2: http://dvd-baker.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/d . . . ?view=markup

[04:53:02]

mzb_d800:

both include about 4–5000 lines of script (each)

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keith4:

Sedorox: only if the user matches

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JoeyJoeJo:

my combo frontend/backend shows 30 minute recordings as being hours long and it doesn't skip commercials.. however, my laptop works fine.. how can I fix it?

[05:05:06]

linagee:

`ack!

[05:05:19]

linagee:

ok, so i got mythtv-setup working properly so i could see everything

[05:05:25]

linagee:

i still get the error message "Channel(/dev/video0): SetInputAndFormat() failed"

[05:05:27]

linagee:

:(

[05:05:55]

linagee:

what is input and format? i don't ever remember setting a resolution or anything?

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keith4:

how can I find XMLTV IDs for channels that myth doesn't know what they are?

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cal:

mzb: so after i create the files with that script, then what? i still have to manually delete each show in the recording menu?

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mzb_d800:

no, the backend will (in theory) eventually auto-expire them

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cal:

oh, well i guess... kinda wanted to clean it up now, lol

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mzb_d800:

I'm not sure how often the backend will check to see if the file exists, so worse case might meen 2 x expire timeout (6 days?)

[05:23:15]

cal:

why is it so insistant that the video file be there? it should just remove the database entry if the file is gone already i would think?

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mzb_d800:

if you read the links I posted earlier, there was a comment about not deleting metadata for non-existent files

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keith4:

you don't want it to delete metadata if you just forgot to mount an NFS share

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mzb_d800:

on the grounds that the mount might just be "unmounted" (as in NFS, etc)

[05:24:57]

cal:

ahh. makes sense.

[05:25:01]

keith4:

maybe it should offer to do so, like mythvideo does

[05:25:11]

oneo:

i just upgraded to the latest version of mythtv and for some reason the plugins arent showing up...i just did a make install in the plugins directory and restarted myth and nothing...anyone have any idea what could cause this?

[05:25:31]

keith4:

any output in the console about it?

[05:25:53]

cal:

well, i just think that the myth.rebuilddatabase could be modified to delete database entries (if you want it to) as well as create them.

[05:26:58]

mzb_d800:

that was the script I was thinking of earlier

[05:27:10]

mzb_d800:

(said mythfilldatabase by mistake)

[05:30:47]

linagee:

mzb_d800: yay! i think i got it working

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linagee:

mzb_d800: the crazy error where you have to delete everything from mythtv-setup, save it, go back in, and recreate it

[05:32:08]

linagee:

yep. file is growing. i think we have a winner!

[05:32:10]

linagee:

mzb_d800: thx

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sphery:

cal: It's insistent that the video file is there because otherwise it's possible it may exist on some not-currently-attached filesystem, so if it deletes the metadata from the DB, Myth would leave a multi-gigabyte orphan to waste your valuable storage space.

[05:33:17]

sphery:

keith4_: It will offer to allow you to delete the metadata (interactively) if the file doesn't exist.

[05:34:17]

cal:

sphery: i didnt get a prompt for that

[05:34:45]

cal:

(trying to delete from "watch recordings")

[05:34:58]

sphery:

cal: there's a script in SVN trunk, myth.find_orphans.pl (or something like that), that will remove orphaned metadata from the DB. (Though, IMHO, myth.rebuild_database.pl, myth.find_orphans.pl, and many other contrib scripts, are legacy garbage that should be rewritten from scratch and designed to work properly with the current design of Myth.)

[05:36:15]

sphery:

cal: If you use the Action menu (i.e. with Arrow Key Accelerators enabled, hit right, else hit either 'm' or 'i'--I don't remember which), you should see something like, "The file for this recording doesn't exist. Show Details | Delete"

[05:36:17]

cal:

sphery: I am trying to create a script from scratch and mzb's help hehe

[05:37:44]

cal:

sphery: yup. i get that message. and then i delete it. and then 2 seconds later it pops back into the list. lol.

[05:39:13]

sphery:

cal: You'd be my hero (because it will mean I--a non-Perl coder--wouldn't have to) if you wrote a from-scratch script that a) uses the SVN trunk Perl bindings, b) allows "importing" shows by name (i.e. instead of scanning the dir) and possibly accepting the MythArchive SQL/XML metadata, c) finds files in the recordings dir(s--for SVN trunk's Storage Groups) that are not recordings or thumbnails, d) finds metadata for which ...

[05:39:19]

sphery:

... files are missing.

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sphery:

If it pops back up after deleting, an error occurred while deleting. That usually means there is something on the disk, but you don't have permissions to the file... Look in your log file to find the exact reason (and filename).

[05:40:47]

sphery:

If you don't have read access to the file, it may still tell you the file is missing--even though it's there.

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cal:

that sounds like a fun script to make but i would have some learning to do. this is just a hacked together 4 line script specific to my needs

[05:42:22]

sphery:

Well, if you get the itch... I'm sure I won't get around to it for a long time. I have quite a few things on my list that are higher priority to me.

[05:43:21]

cal:

2007-10–03 01:37:21.829 MainServer::HandleQueryRecordings()

[05:43:21]

cal:

Couldn't find backend for:

[05:43:21]

cal:

Unknown : ""

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sphery:

looks like broken metadata

[05:43:49]

sphery:

Are you running 0.20 (.x|-fixes) or SVN trunk?

[05:44:23]

cal:

whatever knoppmyth R5F27 uses

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cal:

how do i check?

[05:44:30]

sphery:

That should be 0.20-fixes.

[05:45:41]

sphery:

So, can you do a: SELECT title, subtitle, hostname, basename FROM recorded WHERE title = 'The Title' AND subtitle = 'Episode Title';

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sphery:

make sure you change title and subtitle values.

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cal:

and do that 50 times or more? weee. heh

[05:46:37]

sphery:

You're saying this happens on multiple shows?

[05:47:02]

cal:

i had to run e2fsck on the /myth partition and lost about 3/4 of my video files

[05:47:09]

sphery:

Oh.

[05:47:14]

cal:

which i am fine with.. i just want to get them out of the database

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Dagmar:

You were warned, repeatedly, not to use ext2/ext3 for the video filestore

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cal:

dagmar: tell that to whoever creates the knoppmyth distro, not me =)

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Dagmar:

Not my problem

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** sphery swears by ext3 **

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sphery:

cal: echo "SELECT CONCAT('touch ', basename) AS '# create files' FROM recorded;" | mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg

[05:52:50]

sphery:

if you redirect the output to a file, you'll have a nice little shell script to create the files

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sphery:

(just touches files)

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cal:

cool!

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sphery:

cal: echo "SELECT CONCAT('touch ', basename) AS '# create files' FROM recorded;" | mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg > /home/mythtv/recreate_files

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sphery:

then cd to the recordings dir and run the script with: sh /home/mythtv/recreate_files

[05:55:42]

sphery:

You could, instead, put the recordings dir in the 'touch ' varchar (i.e. 'touch /path/to/recordings/')

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cal:

yeah i got ya

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cal:

those will be all the files thou, including the ones i already have in /myth/tv, right?

[05:57:00]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

but touching existing files will only change the timestamp on them

[05:57:26]

sphery:

worst case scenario, the frontend will recreate the PNG preview image for the file next time you scroll past it.

[05:58:10]

cal:

cool, this is better than trying to parse the mythbackend log file.

[05:59:29]

cal:

yeah.. as you were saying earlier this script could be made a lot more robust and useful.

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sphery:

Yeah. Every time I mention one of the "legacy" contrib Perl scripts (those that haven't been ported to use the Perl bindings) on the lists or IRC, I feel like rewriting them all they way they should be now, but I don't use any of the offending scripts (primary reason I haven't rewritten them already), and there are a lot of things I'm doing for Myth that I will use (or that will keep me from having to explain something 100's ...

[06:02:33]

sphery:

... of times on the lists ;)

[06:03:03]

sphery:

so I always end up back-burnering the idea.

[06:03:05]

Chutt:

all the perl scripts need to be updated to not use mysql.txt, too

[06:03:20]

sphery:

Yeah. If they used the bindings, they wouldn't use mysql.txt. :)

[06:03:57]

sphery:

Oh. Guess not. Even mythrename.pl uses mysql.txt, but does so automatically through the bindings.

[06:04:04]

sphery:

Guess that part of the bindings needs fixed.

[06:05:17]

sphery:

Chutt: How should we get the info, now? Using the new autodiscovery stuff?

[06:05:18]

cal:

would you like to see mythtv stronger in the area of what slingbox can do?

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sphery:

cal: you mean like streaming a recording (or LiveTV)?

[06:05:49]

cal:

yeah

[06:06:29]

sphery:

xris is working on that, but there's a lot of backend support still required, so it may not even make it into 0.21.

[06:06:44]

sphery:

Should be in 0.22, though.

[06:06:51]

sphery:

Did you have something you've worked up?

[06:07:55]

cal:

well, with slingbox, you can change channels and all, OSD is there too.

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cal:

well i have modified mythweb quite a bit but its not for public use lol

[06:09:23]

Aval0n-:

can you record mutliple dvb chans at once on the same multiplex on .20.2?

[06:10:46]

sphery:

Aval0n-: No. 0.21 will probably support it, but even SVN trunk doesn't, yet.

[06:11:02]

Aval0n-:

ahh cool

[06:11:16]

Aval0n-:

I have a weird problem with a dvb channel of mine

[06:11:21]

Aval0n-:

it's a subchannel id of 2

[06:11:27]

Aval0n-:

if i try to tune it directly, I get partial lock

[06:11:37]

sphery:

cal: if you have anything that could be useful for others, I'm sure xris/kormoc would love the additions.

[06:11:41]

Aval0n-:

if I tune ther other channel on the same multiplex, then go over it works perfect

[06:12:51]

sphery:

I don't know much about DVB, at all, but chances are if you ask about it (and give a nice detailed description of the exact behavior) on the -users list, Daniel will reply with the "secret" to making it work properly.

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Aval0n-:

cool, where is the users list that you speak of?

[06:14:29]

sphery:

http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users

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Aval0n-:

ty sir

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Aval0n-:

ah so this is more an email list than it is a forum eh?

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cal:

sphery: could i just delete the records in the recorded db, or would mythtv not like that?

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floppyears:

hi guys

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floppyears:

mythtv is running just fine for me right now, but in the beginning I tweaked some values on the recording profiles, now I'm running out of space

[06:32:55]

floppyears:

what are some good values bitrate, resolution, etc for recording standard def tv ?

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Nik_Doof:

how can i generate xmltv for a +1 channel based off the normal channel? I remember seeing a script somewhere but i cant remember what its called

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defaultro:

hi folks, i need some scripting help. Let say we have this script, http://www.nopaste.com/p/aXCXS1oul. We ran it and it will take 5 hours to complete. What happened this morning is I killed the sqlplus and not the script, but the script continued on the next line. Is there any o.s. variable that I can check that the command did not complete properly?

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JohnQ:

I have my mythtv master backend shutting down and starting up automatically, but as a result, it does not seem to be running mythfilldatabase anymore. any ideas?

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defaultro:

does anyone know?

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JohnQ:

defaultro: what does that have to do with mythtv?

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defaultro:

I was hoping that someone can help me :)

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JohnQ:

ya. good luck with that.

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Tanthrix:

defaultro: Name the script the same thing as the program, so when you do a killall you get both of them ;)

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defaultro:

i got it now using $?

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defaultro:

:)

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sebrock:

where is it stored how many days my grabber should do? (XMLTV)

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sebrock:

anyone?

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Hoxzer:

hmm... have you tried adding parametres in the path of your tv_grab_ ?

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Hoxzer:

Not sure will it work but you can try

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Hoxzer:

ok, I remembered wrong that is not possible.

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Hoxzer:

You could edit tv_grab script :P

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anykey_:

sebrock: you can run mythfilldatabase with a cronjob and add --max-days parameter to it ;)

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sebrock:

I know that the default for my grabber is 5 days

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sebrock:

however I have set it to 15 days (dont ask why)

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sebrock:

But my grabber only gives data for 14 days, therefore I get an error when running mythfilldatabase

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sebrock:

so all I need to do really is to change it to 14 days

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sebrock:

this value has to be stored somewhere

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juski:

sebrock: don't let myth run mythfilldatabase itself. use a cron job & set the --max-days to 14 like anykey_ says

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juski:

by default myth will run mythfilldatabase with the maximum amount of days. there's no setting for it

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sebrock:

juski, is that so... But I remember setting it to 15 days...

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sebrock:

somewhere

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sebrock:

could it be when I ran the it manually

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sebrock:

aw well use a cron job then :D

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juski:

oh dear. rescanning my channels yesterday wasn't enough. the serviceids still haven't been updated

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juski:

damn!

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directhex|work:

myth obviously sucks then. switch to MCE!

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jduggan:

do it

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juski:

yeah I can imagine how well MCE would run on a 1Ghz epia flid box

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jduggan:

heh

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juski:

seems I was wrong. serviceids are fine. radio recordings still fail though

[10:04:22]

juski:

2007-10–03 11:04:09.025 Program #14336 not found in PAT!

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juski:

oh don't tell me they've changed again

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juski:

they ducking well have!

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juski:

ffs

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juski:

oh it's not just the serviceids that have changed. radio channels have moved muxes!

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jduggan:

hmmm

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juski:

wonder what else has changed...

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jduggan:

http://www.stevelarkins.freeuk.com/sandy_heat . . . nsmitter.htm suggests roof mounting my aerial will make a hell of a difference to freeview reception in my area

[10:14:40]

jduggan:

its loft mounted at the moment and anything on mux 2 i cant get

[10:14:44]

jduggan:

which = alot of channels :p

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jduggan:

itv/channel4 etc

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jduggan:

i dont want to pay for someone to install a roof mounted aerial if it doesnt actually make a difference, heh

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juski:

roof mounting will always make a difference if reception is marginal inside

[10:22:14]

juski:

I hope this stupid ducking freeview channel situation stabilises soon

[10:22:58]

jduggan:

its worth a phone call to an installation company i guess

[10:23:13]

juski:

we got 3 quotes & chose the middle one

[10:23:21]

juski:

did a good job

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jduggan:

i want two cable runs from one aerial, is that a good or bad idea?

[10:24:09]

jduggan:

(want two dvb-t cards) :)

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juski:

better to split nearer the computer

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juski:

if signal is marginal anyway, better to use a booster/splitter

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jduggan:

okay

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jduggan:

lol

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jduggan:

looking on ukfree.tv

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jduggan:

big advert

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jduggan:

MythTV IR Blaster

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juski:

my signal from the aerial is fine going to 2 tuner cards but splitting to a 3rd degrades it too much so I need an amp

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jduggan:

professionally built for $12

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juski:

FFS. gonna be better off deleting all my freeview channels & just getting them all again!

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juski:

oh wait... takes a while for mythweb to report the filesize as more than 'B'

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mikeones:

hello

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juski:

hmm all the new channel lineup seems to be ok

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juski:

til they launch 'Dave' whenever

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** juski nukes Malta **

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laga:

y

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juski:

our production facility is there, that's y

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laga:

ah

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** directhex|work hands juski a maltese falcon **

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juski:

the screws being used for the IDE adapter on the DVD rom drives of some of our units are too long. I spec'd a 6mm long screw because I found it to work ok. oh no. still problems.

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juski:

apparently it's cos they use a different adapter board without us knowing about it

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laga:

so, are they too long because you spec'd them wrong or because they fscked up? :)

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laga:

ah

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juski:

so much for engineering control!

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laga:

btw, is the OSD rendered at video res or at display res?

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juski:

video res in 0.20

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juski:

oh wait

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juski:

yeah display res

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juski:

base res is 640x480 so it looks shitty at 1280x720

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laga:

ah, so it's scaled

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laga:

thx

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juski:

not for much longer I hope :)

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juski:

in SVN the text is at least rendered at the right res but the graphics are still scaled :(

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directhex|work:

SVG!

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juski:

SVG :-\

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laga:

so

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laga:

time to prepare the changelog for mythbuntu beta 1.

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juski:

maybe one day when SVG supports decent blurring & fading effects

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Dagmar:

You don't like the ones it has?

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juski:

they're shite

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Dagmar:

You can't blur or fade with a mask, but you can blur with the current SVG spec, and color washes have been in there for awhile

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juski:

whoop-de-ducking-do!

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juski:

anyway, SVG support is going to need somebody to write it and considering the speed the mythui port is going at I won't be holding my breath :)

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zo0m:

heh

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laga:

i can has moar developers plz

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zo0m:

moar developers can do teh needful

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laga:

hai

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siXy:

lol!

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juski:

wtf?

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juski:

ah fuck it. I've got a website to delete or something

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laga:

rotfl

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laga:

juski doesnt like lolcat

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laga:

someone should port to UI code to lolcode

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quicksilver:

Im in ur IRC channel, angerin ur juski.

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quicksilver:

No like cyoot?

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kavorka^:

what's a utility i can use to generate a channels.conf file in linux?

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laga:

dvb-apps (called dvb-utils in ubuntu)

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juski:

wooo cheepies! mythtwit is available :-\

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kavorka^:

i have dvb-apps installed...but whats the actual utility?

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|Torg|:

scan

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juski:

kavorka^: sdcan

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juski:

scan

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|Torg|:

sometimes dvbscan

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kavorka^:

thanks guys ill give it a shot....problem is that the channel scanning in mythtv-setup isnt perfect for 2 channels....and im wondering if this will be any better

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|Torg|:

scan -a <adapter number> <tuning data> > channels.conf

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juski:

ftp downloads.mythtvtalk.com

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juski:

oh feck

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|Torg|:

juski: that dosnt work, whats your login and password?

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|Torg|:

whats the differnce between a full featured card and one that isnt?

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juski:

argghh

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jtheuer:

hi, I have some questions to mythtfilldatabase --xawchannels :

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juski:

they're not here

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jtheuer:

Only the SE** channels are imported, the E** not :-(

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jtheuer:

who?

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laga:

:P

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laga:

use mythfilldatabase --manual --preset ?

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CaptObviousman:

greetings

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CaptObviousman:

does mythweb have something built-in to display your recorded shows like a slingbox?

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|Torg|:

display like stream? or display like showing you whats recorded?

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CaptObviousman:

no, stream the actual content to you

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|Torg|:

built in is a sort of misnomer, but yes

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siXy:

CaptObviousman: i think flash streaming in mythweb is in SVN, or you can set it up using something like VLC ( i advise transcoding it down a bit to do this)

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CaptObviousman:

right

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CaptObviousman:

schedule a job to transcode it to something more manageable, then use mythweb to serve it when you're away

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|Torg|:

you can do it via asx too

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CaptObviousman:

e.g. on business trips and such

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CaptObviousman:

asx, wazzat

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|Torg|:

an xml mmarup for transfer of video

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|Torg|:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Stream_Redirector

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Hilikus:

hi guys

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Hilikus:

has anyone been able to configure an IR blaster to change channels in a STB?

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directhex|work:

Hilikus, lots of people. that's what they're designed to do

[14:30:09]

Sembiance:

For some reason when I Try and jump ahead certain recordings, the mythfrontend video playback freezes up and then I need to exit out.

[14:30:23]

Sembiance:

This takes place on multiple machines, but not with all recordings.

[14:30:34]

juski:

and?

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Sembiance:

The recordings jump fine with mplayer.

[14:30:43]

juski:

and?

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Sembiance:

juski: I was wondering if anyone here has seen the same thing.

[14:31:31]

Sembiance:

juski: It's amazing that you just joined this channel 1 minute and your already sniping people :)

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|Torg|:

where do you get these recordings that freeze on you?

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Sembiance:

|Torg|: They are 1080p recordings from an HDHomerun tuner

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|Torg|:

Sembiance: be carefull of who you make comments about

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juski:

Sembiance: you were making statements not asking questions. i wondered how they were relevant

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CaptObviousman:

biting the hand that feeds. Real smart there,bro

[14:33:06]

Sembiance:

juski: Would you have preferred if I pretyped the entire thing and then pasted it only after the text ended with a question mark? :)

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** Sembiance is sensing some really bad attitudes in this room. **

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** Sembiance peers at CaptObviousman. **

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|Torg|:

juski may be a bit sardonic, but what he says is true

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Hilikus:

directhex|work i meant anyone HERE

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|Torg|:

I would imagine he gets like that from the hundredes of thousands of uses who complain al the time rather then go look up information themsleves

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Hilikus:

that could give me some guidelines

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Sembiance:

|Torg|: probably. Usually when I get stressed like that I usually take a vacation.

[14:35:17]

|Torg|:

Sembiance: I would first wonder what you think freezing is. Is it simply your impatience and becase the box dosnt change the picture you think its frozen?

[14:35:39]

|Torg|:

also what have you dont to examine those recordings that cause problems vs those that do not?

[14:35:59]

|Torg|:

have you looked into the playback code of mythttv and realised it needs keyframs to display video, jsut like anything else?

[14:36:13]

|Torg|:

what have you done to diagnose this problem, other then run here and start complaining?]

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Sembiance:

|Torg|: I already searched the trac database, and didn't see anything relevant. Well, I'm trying to narrow down what the cause is. It never used to do this, until I updated several things (mythtv itself, the kernel, the video driver (nvidia-drivers) and xorg-server)

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Hilikus:

cause i have lirc running, the remote works, but i dont know how to enable the IR blaster

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juski:

there are clues there already

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juski:

it used to be okay until you updated stuff

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juski:

then it's mysteriously broken. hmmm

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Hilikus:

is it true that i need to patch lirc to be able to run 2 modules?? one for the receiver and one for the blaster??

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CaptObviousman:

so if you go back to before the update and update just one single piece at a time

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CaptObviousman:

then you can find out what caused your problem

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Sembiance:

CaptObbiousman: that's my plan.

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isomorphism:

I think I messed up the mythconverg database migrating to new hardware. Backend crashes upon trying to do just about anything. Can anyone help?

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Hilikus:

i have a hauppage 150 that came with remote and ir blaster

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CaptObviousman:

isomorphism: I suppose you weren't backing your db up regularly were you

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isomorphism:

CaptObviousman: I have several backups, so it depends on what you mean by 'regularly'.

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juski:

every day, kind of regularly

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juski:

or BEFORE you mess with the setup

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CaptObviousman:

like, say, a cronjob that backs ups the deltas every day, and once a week you start fresh

[14:40:46]

** CaptObviousman is just tossing out a suggestion **

[14:41:15]

|Torg|:

putting mysql back together from incimental backups would be a pain in the ass, just dump it full daily

[14:41:28]

isomorphism:

CaptObviousman: So, are you suggesting that I restore a different [full] backup?

[14:41:59]

Sembiance:

I originally just came in here to ask if this was a common issue, if this was something that others had seen and that there was a common solution for. Instead of a simple no (which would have caused me to stop talking) I got lots and lots of attitude from so many people. It was very... un-friendly. Reminds me of the way efnet channels feel with thick arroagance in the air rather than the friendly and helpy freenode channels that I've com

[14:42:02]

CaptObviousman:

isomorphism: that'd be a good place to start

[14:42:03]

juski:

ahh it's nice to have some room on my webspace again

[14:42:10]

CaptObviousman:

see if it's still erroring out

[14:42:17]

CaptObviousman:

then you can start investigating what's changed

[14:42:49]

juski:

if I had $0.10 for every time I'd been accused of being arrogant, I'd be able to afford MCE

[14:43:15]

isomorphism:

CaptObviousman: I have had a similar problem before, so let me make sure I have this straight. Should I delete the current mythconverg database and then restore?

[14:43:47]

|Torg|:

in all honesty juski, I know allot of adjectives to call you, arrogant however is not one of them.

[14:43:53]

juski:

isomorphism: you have nothing to lose, right? you said it's totally broken didn't you?

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CaptObviousman:

well, I wouldn't just delete it

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juski:

anyway, the obvious thing to look at would be the machine's hostname

[14:44:38]

CaptObviousman:

make a backup of your current (fucked up) databases so you can do some sleuthing

[14:44:40]

|Torg|:

isomorphism: a sql dump is text readable, you can restore less then the whole database with some simply awk, grep and cut statments. Hell just use vi

[14:44:44]

juski:

if that's changed somehow (duh!) then that would be a BIG problem

[14:44:44]

isomorphism:

CaptObviousman: pretty much. I can start the frontend, but as soon as I try to do anything (live TV, etc), the backend crashes. It says that I should check the ip in the master setup (which I did and all IP info is correct).

[14:44:51]

juski:

isomorphism: bingo

[14:44:56]

CaptObviousman:

if it was a problem with the script then perhaps you can troubleshoot a fix for it

[14:44:58]

juski:

I bet the hostname has changed

[14:45:00]

CaptObviousman:

then submit it to the tree

[14:45:48]

isomorphism:

juski: that's a possibility. I thought I set the hostname the same, but I may have snuck some punctuation in there somewhere. Do you know where I could fix that?

[14:45:54]

juski:

isomorphism: something else which can cause problems is modules l=being auto loaded in a different order – meaning cards get mixed up

[14:46:07]

juski:

isomorphism: mythtv-setup

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CaptObviousman:

listen to juski, he's a smart man (woman? llama? polar bear?)

[14:46:23]

isomorphism:

juski: I went into setup and deleted all cards and then readded them. I thought that might fix it, but maybe not?

[14:46:26]

** CaptObviousman doesn't actually own a mythtv box. He's just a problem solver **

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juski:

so stuff doesn't work & you go in there & delete capture card settings?

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CaptObviousman:

you drove him to suicide

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CaptObviousman:

congrats

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isomorphism:

CaptObviousman: I feel bad now.

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CaptObviousman:

hehe

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|Torg|:

isomorphism: drop the databse, remove the mythtv packges, get rid off all configurations, then reinstall it

[14:48:23]

CaptObviousman:

seems rather severe

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|Torg|:

yes but hes already put trash in his databs, probbly more then half it is orpahened records

[14:48:53]

isomorphism:

|Torg|: I was hoping to avoid that, but it may come down to that. I'm just hoping that I can restore all of my recordings (and recorded history).

[14:48:59]

|Torg|:

and obcurated whatever was the origional problem

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CaptObviousman:

how old is your previous database backup?

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isomorphism:

|Torg|: I have several backups of the database. I have one that was immediately before migrating the recordings to new hardware and then a few spaced a week apart or so.

[14:49:45]

|Torg|:

isomorphism: do you understand SQL?

[14:49:58]

isomorphism:

|Torg|: Yes, I know SQL.

[14:50:11]

|Torg|:

isomorphism: its in a table called mythconverg.recorded

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isomorphism:

|Torg|: Thanks, maybe I'll start with a fresh mythconverg and restore only that column.

[14:50:59]

isomorphism:

*table rather.

[14:51:01]

Hilikus:

so is it true that i need to patch the lirc module to run the remote and IR blaster or not?

[14:51:05]

|Torg|:

or just take the recordings dn thorw them into mythvideo

[14:52:36]

isomorphism:

Well all, I have isolated the problem. It seems that changing the IP of the location of the backend to 127.0.0.1 fixes things. Now I need to figure out why it doesn't like the actual IP of the box.

[14:53:07]

|Torg|:

wait, you changed the ethernet port to 127.0.0.1?

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isomorphism:

|Torg|: In myth-setup, I changed only the address of the Master Server IP in General to 127.0.0.1

[14:54:22]

|Torg|:

when you changed to to something else, what did you change it to?

[14:54:28]

isomorphism:

But, now I won't be able to connect from a remote frontend.

[14:54:38]

isomorphism:

|Torg|: The actual IP of the server is 192.168.1.125

[14:54:43]

|Torg|:

of course you cant, what did you change it to

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|Torg|:

whats 192.168.1.125 resolve to?

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isomorphism:

on my network, it should resolve to the hostname of the server.

[14:55:27]

|Torg|:

i know it *SHOULD* what DOES it

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isomorphism:

|Torg|: Point taken, let me check a few things out.

[14:55:57]

|Torg|:

192,168.0.0/16 is a RFC 1918 subnet

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|Torg|:

look to see if the hostname resolves, on BOTH boxes and if it reverse reolves as well

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isomorphism:

|Torg|: Well, I'm not sure this makes sense. All I did was change the Master Server IP back to 192.168.1.125 and all is working again.

[14:59:12]

|Torg|:

there are two IP addresses every myth box on your netowkr needs, first is the master servers ip, second is the database servers ip

[14:59:32]

|Torg|:

MANY online howtos screw this up using 127.0.0.1 for either or both

[14:59:54]

|Torg|:

if you look into the datbase however you will find myth uses hostnames, NOT ip addresses

[15:00:36]

|Torg|:

so when a box connects to mysql it will ask for tis settings via its hostname, when it gets a video it will do it via that master server ip, who will in turn look up the video via hostname

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isomorphism:

|Torg|: So, in changing that to localhost and then back to the IP should have inserted the correct hostname into the database for the 'new' hardware?

[15:01:06]

|Torg|:

it can be a bit confusing but having a stable dns infrastucutre is not only a good idea for myth, but a good idea in general

[15:01:26]

|Torg|:

no no no, it wont insert ANYTING into the database unless you use the programs for setup

[15:01:46]

isomorphism:

|Torg|: as in using mythtv-setup...

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|Torg|:

in fact the databse is pretty much uncontrained, which is why you can orphan records so easily

[15:01:58]

|Torg|:

yes as in using mythtv-setup

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isomorphism:

|Torg|: Yes, I think I got it. <trying to avoid this in the future> So, in going in and changing the master IP in mythtv-setup, I should have changed the hostname in the database.

[15:03:20]

|Torg|:

and make sure it resolves, both ways

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isomorphism:

|Torg|: excellent. Thank you for your knowledge and your help.

[15:04:08]

|Torg|:

dunno if I helped, but your welcome

[15:04:48]

isomorphism:

|Torg|: Well, between your info (and hopefully my understanding of your info), I'm now up and running. Haven't checked the remote front ends yet, but that can be dealt with later.

[15:06:18]

isomorphism:

|Torg|: All remote frontends are working as well. I'll double check everything when I have more time to make sure it's not just working due to some cheap hack, but for now I'm happy. Thanks again.

[15:09:18]

CaptObviousman:

how perfect is this: http://xkcd.org/306/

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|Torg|:

CaptObviousman: would you like a coach :)

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CaptObviousman:

hah no

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** CaptObviousman wonders where juski went **

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|Torg|:

from the time of day, I would think home

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CaptObviousman:

bastage, leaving all of us trapped up here at work

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CaptObviousman:

like caged animals

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|Torg|:

some of us are forced to work from home

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linagee:

why is scifi 5 minutes off normal time?

[15:53:37]

CaptObviousman:

because they don't want people recording their shows and taking out commercials

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CaptObviousman:

so they offset the timing of their shows to throw off recorders

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linagee:

is it always off 5 minutes? is there somewhere i can enter the offset?

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linagee:

hrm

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CaptObviousman:

if what I'm saying is true, they probably change it regularly

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linagee:

great

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CaptObviousman:

the goal of course being to force you to be present at the time the show is broadcast because you can't record it easily

[15:55:34]

CaptObviousman:

if you're sitting through the show, you're watching their ads too

[15:55:39]

CaptObviousman:

you see how this works now, I hope

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linagee:

Captain_Murdoch: or miss the last 5 mintes

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CaptObviousman:

linagee: 1) nick completion ftl 2) yes, and who wants to miss the last 5 min of a show?

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linagee:

i don't really see how it works. if i have two tuners, i can just record 5 min before, 5 min after. :)

[15:56:41]

CaptObviousman:

well, most people don't have two tuners, or if they do, don't have the knowhow/wherewithall/knowledge to account for it

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linagee:

i only have 1 tuner right *now*... hrm

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CaptObviousman:

you're in the minority

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CaptObviousman:

you've got to remember, they don't broadcast tv for uber nerds like us

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linagee:

i'll just put like 3 or 4 tuners in a box just to thwart their attempts to thwart my attempts. :)

[15:57:16]

linagee:

CaptObviousman: ???? yes!

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linagee:

scifi channel does. :P

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|Torg|:

CaptObviousman: its not from recording shows, but your close

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|Torg|:

NBC does it as well, its from ratings

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|Torg|:

what they attmpt to do is keep you watching the channel rahter then switching

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CaptObviousman:

ratings ... how

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CaptObviousman:

ah

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CaptObviousman:

I've always heard the advertisement angle

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|Torg|:

so they run programs over, trying to keep you from changintg to another station

[15:58:12]

CaptObviousman:

they're probably both contributing factors

[15:58:36]

CaptObviousman:

sci fi has to do all it can to keep viewers from dumping to one of the majors

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linagee:

CaptObviousman: and if i have like a dozen tuners in my box, then i can easily thwart their attempts! :)

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linagee:

i doubt there's a dozen things worth watching at one time. lol

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CaptObviousman:

pretty much

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|Torg|:

there was a write about ABC and doing it on Lost

[16:01:31]

CaptObviousman:

_maybe_ on satellite or cable, but you have to take the signal after it runs through the box

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|Torg|:

I just extend my recordings by 5 mins

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linagee:

CaptObviousman: true. i saw there is support for firewire. that seems like a nice way to do it. :)

[16:03:23]

linagee:

(if you had a cable box dedicated to that, or if you convinced housemates it's the best way to view tv)

[16:04:08]

linagee:

is anyone doing the firewire thing? will this preserve the 16:9 aspect ratio of digital HDTV cable?

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linagee:

hrm

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|Torg|:

there are quite a few I see doing it

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Landon:

yay, xbmc has nuv support :D

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|Torg|:

it just gives them mpeg, if its in 1080I they get it in 1080I

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linagee:

|Torg|: and it will do HDTV just fine from a firewire port on a HDTV cable box?

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|Torg|:

howevr there is a big push to encrypt firewire

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linagee:

|Torg|: encrypt?? for who?

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|Torg|:

yes linagee and they change channels with it

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Dagmar:

not "for", "from"

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linagee:

|Torg|: how does that work with it being encrypted? what's the point of that?

[16:05:39]

|Torg|:

so you cant record it

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|Torg|:

firewire was mandated by the FCC

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|Torg|:

Comcast esp, kicked adn screamed about it

[16:05:55]

Dagmar:

Specifically, so you can pay them money for the privledge of recording things

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linagee:

|Torg|: huh? .... then why even have a firewire port at all?

[16:06:07]

Dagmar:

Specifically, so you can pay them money for the privledge of recording things.

[16:06:08]

|Torg|:

then decided 5C isnt encrytion, its per view rights

[16:06:24]

Dagmar:

It's actually not "per-view" rights.

[16:06:31]

Dagmar:

Very much not that, actually.

[16:06:33]

linagee:

|Torg|: can they "flip the switch" in the box at any time? that would suck.

[16:06:36]

|Torg|:

it would be like me saying I dont hack satalite, I put in a card and let it hack it

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Dagmar:

They're just being knobgoblins.

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|Torg|:

stil illegal tho

[16:06:51]

Dagmar:

Write a nasty letter to the FCC like I did so you can annoy some bureaucrat for three minutes.

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linagee:

set up a nice rig going with firewire and such, they "flip a switch" and break everyone's setup

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linagee:

ew

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|Torg|:

were I livedx they did that to my local statiosn, in clear violation of the FCC, I complained

[16:07:41]

linagee:

|Torg|: illegal for who? illegal for them?

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|Torg|:

as faar as I know it did abolutly nothing, I dint even get a go fuck off letter form them

[16:08:02]

|Torg|:

in the US is it illegal to encrypt local bordcasts, rebordcast via cable

[16:08:28]

|Torg|:

Comcast will maintain 5C inst encrytion tho

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linagee:

5c?

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Dagmar:

That would be a bold-faced lie on their part.

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|Torg|:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Transmis . . . t_Protection

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|Torg|:

its DRM <spit>

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linagee:

|Torg|: why do i get a bad feeling in my stomach just reading that URL?

[16:10:08]

|Torg|:

linagee: now you know why I put up and antenna and told Comcast to screw off

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linagee:

|Torg|: you could always record it at whatever output they have for the TV

[16:10:51]

linagee:

|Torg|: until everything turns HDMI and it becomes a much harder problem. heh

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|Torg|:

record what, the cable that was encrpted?

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|Torg|:

I reocrd off ATSC, works fine. Works better then fine

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Hoxzer:

are there any other options than nvtv to adjust tvOverscan with GeForce <4 ??

[16:11:18]

linagee:

|Torg|: no, record at the composite output or the component video output

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linagee:

(if firewire doesn't work anymore)

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|Torg|:

that would sorta of defeat the rason I got the DLP in the first place

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linagee:

|Torg|: like i said though. until they stop making boxes with composite and component out. just HDMI and that's all. hah

[16:12:12]

|Torg|:

besides getting rid of a $80 a month bill felt good :)

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linagee:

the first time i saw HDMI i was like, "wow, that looks like a cool new connector"

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linagee:

NOT

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|Torg|:

how do you think I watch ATSC?

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linagee:

HDMI will allow them to do end to end encryption to the TV afaik, right?

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|Torg|:

HDMI could

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linagee:

if they were evil enough

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|Torg|:

IF you had a HDCP complaint output

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|Torg|:

if the FCC was stupid enough

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linagee:

|Torg|: what if they just had local channels unencrypted and scifi and stuff encrypted? bah

[16:14:32]

|Torg|:

nothign is brodcast in HDMI, so what your talking about would be to mandate specific hardware

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|Torg|:

linagee: its WHY I have dishnet

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linagee:

|Torg|: want to watch anything other than local news channels and such? make sure your have your decryption chips installed in your frontal cortex! everyone's doing it!

[16:15:59]

|Torg|:

I watcvh plenty more then just the news

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linagee:

as a benefit, our optical nerve decryption chip also includes an RFID tag. so you can be tagged like cattle. YAY!

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CaptObviousman:

it's hard not to be cynical about some of the coming drm technology

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CaptObviousman:

but then again, the studios own the copyrights, and they're defending it from people like us

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|Torg|:

copyrights have been preverted by the studios

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roelf:

hello mythusers

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roelf:

hello i have a TT S-1500 and my remotecontrole doesn't work

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roelf:

the kernel mountend the device @ /dev/input/event3 so i added this to my /etc/config.d/lircd | LIRCD_OPTS="-d /dev/input/event3

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roelf:

when is use irw i don't get any response when i put on a button of the remotecontrole

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roelf:

is it possible to configure lirc with a special lirc module for my technotrend S-1500

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Ryushin:

Are there any problems with not running mythweb over SSL when I'm using digest authentication?

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keith4_:

other than the fact that it's not secure?

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linagee:

who watches ghost hunting shows or psychic shows on sci fi? it's not even science related!

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Dagmar:

The scifi show is crap

[17:14:13]

Dagmar:

They should call it "Men Who Are Chickenshit"

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Dagmar:

If you go looking for ghosts, it should behoove you to not scream like a girl and sprint for a quarter-mile if it looks for a moment like you found one.

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linagee:

lol

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linagee:

Dagmar: i've got a better one

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linagee:

Dagmar: men acting scared and stealing money from old ladies for trying to prove that they say something that doesn't exist

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linagee:

s/say/saw/

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linagee:

"we ran all these numerous tests for ghosts *cough*each costing $5,000*/cough* and look! if you tilt your head and look out the corner of your eye, you can almost see something there! OMG! thanks for your business. please pay us again soon!"

[17:18:40]

linagee:

Dagmar: i'd bet the only reason they have a show like stargate sg-1 / stargate atlantis (which is *mildly* worth watching) is that it's probably government subsidized. ;)

[17:19:52]

linagee:

guberment: 1) Put on shows of how cool it is to be in the military 2) Get all sorts of people to enlist 3) ??? 4) something about oil and a foreign country 5) Profit!!!

[17:22:18]

sebrock:

I recorded two shows today, "previously recorded" says it is recorded, aswell as disk space

[17:22:27]

sebrock:

however I cant find it in "Recorded"

[17:22:29]

sebrock:

??

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linagee:

sebrock: look for the file itself

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gbee:

anyone else here using NTL unable to access mythtv.org atm?

[17:25:46]

linagee:

what's an NTL

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jams:

isp

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jduggan:

I'm NTL and i can visit fine

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gbee:

odd

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gbee:

http://pastebin.ca/724523 <<

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jduggan:

im getting their website fine

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jduggan:

i guess they're just dropping ICMP

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jduggan:

tcptraceroute mythtv.org

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jduggan:

:)

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Niklas_E:

Anyone know how to fix sync problems in mytharchive?

[17:37:28]

sebrock:

which is the best way to replay recorded material, meaning Bob 2x, Linear etc etc?

[17:44:46]

sebrock:

I'm using the OS X frontend here, is XvMC available, got Intel integrated graphics

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kormoc:

sebrock, honestly, it's all about your eyes and your equipment

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kormoc:

and no, you don't have XvMC

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zo0m:

xvmc extentions dont work with aiglx?

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zo0m:

(ive never tried)

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zo0m:

ah, yeah, it looks like it does

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zo0m:

maybe myths usage of it doesnt for some reason, but technically it should work.

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gbee:

jduggan: tcptraceroute is the same, for some reason the server downstream of corv-car1-gw.nero.net is dropping my packets, is down or doesn't even exist (routing error)

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zo0m:

quickly using google i found people using the 945gm chipset and xvmc, i think the macbooks use 950 but i dont see why that wouldnt work

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sebrock:

I read that all Intel Integrated Graphics can use XvMC

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jduggan:

gbee: the server downstream from corv-car1-gw.nero.net IS mythtv.org

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jduggan:

12 corv-car1-gw.nero.net (207.98.64.177) 152.643 ms 155.866 ms 170.016 ms

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jduggan:

13 www.mythtv.org (140.211.167.131) [open] 155.554 ms 160.942 ms 169.987 ms

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juski:

ggggggggggggreat! virgin1 on freeview shouldn't use xmltv EPG data. Why? oh no reason – apart from the fact that it only starts broadcasting at 6pm

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juski:

is it just me or is Freeview turning into the biggest pile of poo since doggy diaoreah?

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jduggan:

one could argue that diaoreah doesnt make a pile

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jduggan:

:p

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jduggan:

juski: i wouldnt know, crappy tx :)

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juski:

by cable feed into mythtv goes South this weekend

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juski:

and I'm taking the spare dvb-t card out of the dev box to put in my backend

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juski:

had enough of conflicts & recordings with stupid dodgy pvr150 audio

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CaptObviousman:

that's right, you tell that ... capture card ... yeah!

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juski:

yeah I _know_ I could 'just' build a newer kernel on the box but doing it the ubuntu way is bollocks

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CaptObviousman:

there's a "the ubuntu way" ?

[18:19:38]

CaptObviousman:

that's different from all the other ways?

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juski:

yup

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juski:

not so much the building but the installation

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CaptObviousman:

oh, uninstall/reinstall?

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juski:

I've done it once before & it wasn't fun

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juski:

about as much fun as a dog with the squits

[18:21:11]

juski:

which incidentally our dog has. again :(

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juski:

OH FFS

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CaptObviousman:

yeah, see, that's just nasty

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juski:

now the backend's crashed

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CaptObviousman:

boy you're just having yourself a great day, aren't you

[18:21:44]

juski:

fuck yeah

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juski:

oh and it was the EIT scanner – last item in the log

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juski:

marvellous

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juski:

it's crashed no less than 4 times today

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mikeones:

anyone recommend a sata storage tower? NAS perferably

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** CaptObviousman recommends the bfh **

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** mikeones google bfh **

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juski:

hmm I know.. rm -rf /

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juski:

WAF-------------------

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juski:

it crashed during a recording of Emmerdale yay :-z

[18:25:14]

juski:

and again!

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juski:

jees this is bad. ordinarily you can count the number of times the backend falls over on one hand per _year_

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directhex:

juski, you can? i was getting multiple BE crashes per day with 0.20

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juski:

I suspect this has everything to do with the ducking ridiculous channel reshuffling

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keith4_:

i've started using monit to restart the backend automatically

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hadees:

is mythstream still the only way to listen to Internet radio and streaming video in mythtv?

[18:26:55]

juski:

it's been fine for ages

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juski:

hadees: yes

[18:27:04]

juski:

and it's still crap :)

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hadees:

juski, tell me about it

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juski:

I had a go of mythbrowse today. I can't believe it's using TAB to move between data entry fields!

[18:27:58]

juski:

like who the hell has TAB bound to a remote button?!

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hadees:

juski, someone using mythbrowse?

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** directhex wonders if Opera Wii should be used as a model for doing it properluy **

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juski:

this is in the setup pages – totally contrary to every other setup menu

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juski:

it's about as daft as the new mythweather

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hadees:

juski, the new mythweather is kind of weird

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juski:

I think my love affair with mythtv is waning

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juski:

starting to think of buying a freeview pvr

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hadees:

juski, well what mythtv does great is the TV stuff

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juski:

is it?

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hadees:

everything else is kind of extra

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CaptObviousman:

define "everything else"

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juski:

you mean apart from when Freeview bollock up all the channel lineup cos they feel like it

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directhex:

juski, get a dreambox!

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juski:

directhex: already got a dodgy box, and it's less reliable than I've heard MCE is

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hadees:

CaptObviousman, the other plugins like mythdvd, mythvideo, etc, I just think more effort goes into the stuff related to time shifting tv

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juski:

"the future's digital.. which is great if you like futzing about with stuff every day"

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juski:

every time a new channel comes along, or vanishes, freeview just shuffle all the service IDs around. There's no need

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juski:

maybe there needs to be a change to the scanning regime to make life easier

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hadees:

the only thing that irks me about mythtv is that they won't even consider adding in support for like bittorrent. Now I that is because it would make it too easy to use MythTV to steal TV shows but there is a whole new kind of media out there, aka Video Podcasts or what ever you want to call them. I watch a lot of revision3 stuff, which is free, and my holy grail is to be able to download them using my mythtv box

[18:34:11]

juski:

there are plenty of torrent clients though

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hadees:

of coarse the answer then is who would develop it but thats a different point

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CaptObviousman:

I don't see a need to reinvent the wheel really

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jduggan:

that

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juski:

mythpython! :-\

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jduggan:

and its opensource

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jduggan:

you want it

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jduggan:

code it

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hadees:

juski, yeah but it requires extra steps, all mythtv really needs is a frontend for another torrent client

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CaptObviousman:

hadees: you make it sound so simple

[18:35:03]

CaptObviousman:

it never is that simple

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CaptObviousman:

it takes lots of man-hours to implement and then integrate with everything else

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hadees:

CaptObviousman, i wasn't saying it was simple

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hadees:

i was saying that it is a no go

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juski:

'all it would take is for somebody to write something'

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hadees:

there already is a mythtv torrent client

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hadees:

we just can't talk about it

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CaptObviousman:

that's what I read from your statement also

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gbee:

jduggan: mystery solved, my IP was accidently blocked from the server

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jduggan:

gbee: i was going to say, soudns specific to your host

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CaptObviousman:

I love it when people say "somebody should do something"

[18:36:03]

jduggan:

:)

[18:36:12]

CaptObviousman:

why not you? "No, I can't do it, but somebody should"

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hadees:

also it isn't maintained

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gbee:

I was deleting the spam tickets, my IP got confused with the spammers

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CaptObviousman:

you get my uncle started on politics that's what he would say all the time

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hadees:

CaptObviousman, i would love to learn how to code mythtv stuff

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juski:

yeah get a freeview playback PVR, drag the xbox downstairs for watching dvds & network vids..

[18:36:32]

CaptObviousman:

"Someone needs to fix social security!"

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juski:

cheaper than a mac mini :)

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hadees:

CaptObviousman, but i haven't done C++ in years and the docs aren't that great

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hadees:

the developer docs i mean

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juski:

how can somebody go from being a staunch advocate to this in one bad day?

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CaptObviousman:

look, all we're saying is that you're sitting here railing about it

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CaptObviousman:

when instead you could be learning C++ and doing something about it

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juski:

CaptObviousman: it's futile. it'll never be incorporated into the official plugins :)

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juski:

not until torrents clear their bad name at any rate

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hadees:

CaptObviousman, you miss the point though, i could never write a bittorrent frontend, first no mythtv developer would help me learn how to do that and second it would never be accepted

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juski:

the whole thing is violating patents left right & centre anyway, so I can't see the big deal anymore

[18:41:06]

juski:

still nowhere near as 1337 as XBMC though, which to be built for an xbox needs stolen software

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directhex:

juski, because you're bipolar?

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hadees:

a bittorrent client for mythtv is like the pariah of mythtv modules

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juski:

not officially

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directhex:

get any quack to spend some time in here, he'll sign the paperwork within half an hour

[18:42:49]

juski:

IRC is like an addiction though. I was gonna quit today

[18:42:59]

juski:

aiming to be missing in action by xmas

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cout:

quit tomorrow

[18:44:35]

cout:

if you can

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hadees:

does anyone know the website for mythpython?

[18:44:58]

zo0m:

quitters never win

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juski:

hadees: last I knew the tarballs were hosted on some crappy filesharing site

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hadees:

juski, yeah thats about all i can find

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hadees:

i really like the idea behind mythpython

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hadees:

can't believe i just heard of it right now

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juski:

I hate the idea behind mythpython but hey don't take my word for it. I'm like a cancer, or something

[18:48:44]

hadees:

juski, why do you hate it?

[18:49:01]

juski:

have you seen the mess freevo became?

[18:49:28]

hadees:

juski, nope but making plugin's easier to write is a good thing

[18:49:40]

juski:

python isn't easier to write than anything else

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juski:

if you don;t know it you still have to learn it

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hadees:

juski, yeah but now I don't have to use Qt

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hadees:

and i know python

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juski:

right I'm off. had enough depression for one day

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Yahooadam:

is there an easy command to give that will make mythtv encode all programs that arent encoded ?

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GreyFoxx:

I assume you mean transcode ?

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Yahooadam:

yeah :)

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GreyFoxx:

I don't think there is

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Yahooadam:

also, is there a way to tell mythtv that its on a dualcore box

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GreyFoxx:

I have a perl script wich I pass the name of a recording group to autoflag all files in that group for transcoding

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Yahooadam:

so it can commflag 2 things at once, or do 2 jobs at once

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GreyFoxx:

Yahooadam: there is no reason myth would even care

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GreyFoxx:

You can configure in mythtv-setup how many jobs can run at the same time

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Yahooadam:

ah :)

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Yahooadam:

could i get a copy of that script greyfoxx :p

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/mythtranscode_group.pl.txt

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GreyFoxx:

edit your DB* variables to suit your environment

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GreyFoxx:

It will onlyadd a job once so if you run it a second time it wont add stuff it's already placed in the jobqueue

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Yahooadam:

by recording group

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Yahooadam:

is that the program title

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Yahooadam:

like "Stargate SG1" or somthing

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Yahooadam:

oh

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Yahooadam:

maybe the field that says "Recording Group"

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GreyFoxx:

the recgroup column in the recorded table;

[19:20:42]

GreyFoxx:

Not the program title

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GreyFoxx:

You can have multiple recording groups and sort your "Watch Recordings" view based on them

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Yahooadam:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

I have groups for archived shows, my wifes stuff, my daughters stuff etc

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Yahooadam:

mine all go into default atm

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Yahooadam:

sounds interesting though

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GreyFoxx:

then pass the word default to queue them all

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Yahooadam:

yep i did :)

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GreyFoxx:

I can';t imagine not using seperate groups now

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Yahooadam:

and now i have a huuuuuuge queue

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GreyFoxx:

I've got like 7 or so

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Yahooadam:

where in the db does mythtv store the max number of jobs it can run ?

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GreyFoxx:

*shrug*

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GreyFoxx:

I would assume the settings table

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Yahooadam:

found it :)

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Yahooadam:

JobQueueMaxSimultaneousJobs

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** laga spreads rumours about a mythbuntu beta disk being prepared **

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Daviey:

Shhhhhhh!

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

there isnt 1 already :p

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Yahooadam:

get rid of gdm, put on fluxbox, sorted :p

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directhex:

hm, my media server article is almost finished

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** laga spreads rumours about a new mythbuntu beta disk being available for download: http://www.mythbuntu.org/node/67 **

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Yahooadam:

thats not spreading a rumour

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** CaptObviousman kills the rumor before it can take off **

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** directhex spreads rumours about laga thinking about boobies at least twice a day **

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** CaptObviousman encourages **

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directhex:

see, he just did it! disgraceful!

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CaptObviousman:

thinking about boobies is most definitely not disgraceful

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Yahooadam:

it is if their not your wifes

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directhex:

of course it is! where in the bible does jesus sit there saying "man, i love me some gargantuan norks"? never!

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directhex:

it's a sin!

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CaptObviousman:

oh poop

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CaptObviousman:

puritans, just what I needed

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** CaptObviousman takes a big shot of whiskey and gets back to his porn **

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directhex:

whiskey? laaaaaaaame!

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** directhex feels like some rum **

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Yahooadam:

bah whats the pw

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Yahooadam:

doh

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CaptObviousman:

Canadian whiskey, Crown Royal to be precise

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directhex:

Yahooadam, "god"

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CaptObviousman:

it isn't lame

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Yahooadam:

said that in the wrong channel :p

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Yahooadam:

atleast i didnt say the pw in the wrong channel ;)

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** directhex pours whiskey over CaptObviousman & sets him on fire **

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laga:

great, locked into IRC with a bunch of puritan alcoholics

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CaptObviousman:

... now there's an oxymoron

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directhex:

laga, quite moanin' & get back to your boob-worshipping

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laga:

bah

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Toxicity999:

Woot, getting my new MCE Remote going.

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sebrock:

is it easy to flush/clear the myth database of recordings and such or will that affect the whole thing?

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hadees:

sebrok, i deleted my recordings table before when i had to reformat the partition storing my recordings and it. I didn't notice any problems but i'm not sure if thats the best way to go about it

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hadees:

it was certainly easy

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hadees:

i mean i deleted every entry in my recordings table

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mattb:

hi, when I add videos to /var/lib/mythtv/videos they don't show up in the frontend

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mattb:

what do I have to do to fix this?

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laga:

scan for videos

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mattb:

laga, how and where?

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NIklas_E:

is there any way to convert a file in mytharchive and change the fps (which is 24.9167 and I want 25)

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vizo:

hello, I have mythtv on a laptop that I use as a frontend. After a update its now telling me the mythv protocol is higher than the backend. Is there a way to force a connection?

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fryfrog:

yes, update the other end to the same version

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fryfrog:

and in the future, don't update the version of mythtv on one side w/o doing it on the other

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vizo:

actually I did but it looks like fedora and gentoo versions don match

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vizo:

laptop gentoo, mythdora (fedora) on the back

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fryfrog:

i'm relativly not surprised

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laga:

what version did you install on gentoo?

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vizo:

mythtv-0.21_pre14513, mythtv-0.20.2_p14498 was saying it was lower

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fryfrog:

.21 prolly means .20.1

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fryfrog:

oh, humm, maybe not

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fryfrog:

is that from ~ or stable?

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vizo:

how can I tell what protocol version my backend is running

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fryfrog:

in any case, i'd suggest using the same version on both, perhaps by checking out the same svn revision on both

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fryfrog:

or use the same distro on both

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vizo:

fryfrog: thats a good idesa

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fryfrog:

I use Ubuntu on all my FE/BE, but I also use the same revision of SVN (not packages)

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user1:

hi

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threedaymonk:

The BBC broadcast a message earlier in the week about some DVB-T changes that would affect radio stations from today.

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user1:

anyone know a light program that will stream tv through my website?

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threedaymonk:

As of today, I can't receive some stations, but their fix – rescanning – doesn't work

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threedaymonk:

do I need a new channels.conf?

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aliljet:

hey..

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aliljet:

this is probably a dumb question, i'm sure

[22:20:54]

aliljet:

but I was wondering if there was a video card that just pushed audio out through it's own hdmi port?

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aliljet:

I've got an external audio receiver, so I don't really need a video card for anything but to relay sound out of my box.

[22:21:36]

aliljet:

and I'm trying to only use one cable from my pc to my home theatre system's receiver...

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aliljet:

(the receiver can also accept video and relay it to my tv..)

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keith4:

what hardware do I need in a frontend to watch live 1080 HD?

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FunkyELF:

keith4, where would you be getting that from?

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keith4:

FunkyELF... from my backend?

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spoky99:

hi all

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aliljet:

keith4: fast processor (2.0 ghz+, multiple cores prefferably) and a nice video card.

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keith4:

i'm having trouble with a P4 2.0, 512M ram, Geforce 4 TI 4600

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keith4:

which is more important, processor or video card?

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FunkyELF:

I seem to be having problems with nuvexport or ffmpeg or something....

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FunkyELF:

ffmpeg had critical errors:

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FunkyELF:

Unknown codec 'aac'

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spoky99:

someone know how work the mythtv shutdown and the $time variable for using the acpi reboot?

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FunkyELF:

any ideas there?

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threedaymonk:

keith4: For comparison, my P4 2.6 with reasonable nVidia card can't handle HD test broadcasts off DVB-T

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aliljet:

keith4: your processor.

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keith4:

dammit

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keith4:

what if it's not live? does that make it any better?

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laga:

threedaymonk: is that h264?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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keith4:

how about if I don't display at 1920x1080... is it easier on the CPU if I downsample to 720p?

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GreyFoxx:

I have a sempron 2800+ that can play 1080, and I use to barely do it on my xp2500+

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GreyFoxx:

mpeg2 of course, not h264

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threedaymonk:

laga: I assumed it was just MPEG

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GreyFoxx:

keith4: No

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keith4:

crap. I have a 2.8 HT that I might be willing to sacrifice, I suppose

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spoky99:

I see that mythbakend set the $time variable only when halt the sistem after the end of a record program, but don't set it when I shutdown the sistem

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FunkyELF:

anyone here use myth2ipod?

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keith4:

so, it takes beefier hardware to play HD than to record it?

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Toxicity999:

Anyone know how I can get LIRC going with my Dual X setup? It works on screen 0, just not screen 1 (the TV out)

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GreyFoxx:

keith4: Takes almost nothing to record MUCH more work to play it

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keith4:

maybe i'll swap my backend and frontend, then

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aliljet:

keith4: playing with hd is pretty expensive. recording is nothing.

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keith4:

is the GF4 TI4600 sufficient?

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keith4:

it has no problem with mythvideo at 1920x1080... somehow

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aliljet:

keith4: dunno... it seems like your processor is what's causing your problesm right now .. look at your system under duress and look at the cpu usage.

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aliljet:

the 4600 is meh too though

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keith4:

mythfrontend has 85% CPU, xorg has the other 15%

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keith4:

and it's *almost* okay... stutters every few seconds though

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aliljet:

dunno

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fryfrog:

I do ATSC/QAM (us HD) with a 3000+ and Ti4200 GF card

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aliljet:

yo, is anyone working with a dish network tuner?

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aliljet:

keith4: so, it's probably your processor which is causing problems

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keith4:

well, let's see how much a motherboard and dual core proc go for these days

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sphery:

aliljet: I'm trying to get rid of my DISH receivers without throwing them away. (But I was using DISH.)

[22:41:54]

aliljet:

sphery: hmmm.. you mean throwing away your tuner card(s)?

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laga:

sphery: did you get a response wether to backport the xinerama fix to -fixes? i'm talking about that nicolas will guy on -users

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sphery:

aliljet: No. Don't want to throw away the STB's.

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sphery:

laga: No response, yet.

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aliljet:

sphery: ah, i see

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sphery:

I know Chutt's busy, but figure having mentioned it in -dev, Chut or gbee or someone will take a look at it.

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laga:

sphery: cool.

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sphery:

I don't have commit privs, anyway, so I'm just trying to be an instigator. :)

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laga:

sphery: just talked to nicolas, the bug was originally filed with us (mythbuntu)

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sphery:

aliljet: Did you have a question about Myth + DISH?

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Daviey:

laga: Your really pushing mythbuntu tonight eh?

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sphery:

laga: I'm pretty sure that once that workaround is in place, his configuration will work. Until then, he would have to do a /lot/ more stuff to work around the X issue.

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laga:

sphery: thought as much

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keith4:

is the Allendale core any good?

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laga:

Daviey: do you have a highlight on "mythbuntu" or are you just a creepy stalker?

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sphery:

I have to admit that I lost interest in helping him work around it.

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Daviey:

laga: i sure do :)

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sphery:

perhaps they're not mutually exclusive, though...

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sphery:

stalker with a highlight?

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laga:

sphery: if it's a real problem, then a fix should be included in -fixes. time will tell

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sphery:

Yeah. I don't know if the devs were just planning to "let it settle" some more in trunk before backporting, but I'm sure it will be put there, eventually.

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keith4:

anyone think this would be sufficient for ATSC/QAM256 at 1920x1080? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115014

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laga:

sphery: i have the xinerama setting too on gutsy. well at least i used to on trunk when i last checked. luckily my OSD seems to be OK

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sphery:

laga: Yeah, you can make it work with the right settings, but the permutations are increased when you add in the Xinerama stuff. Guess you were just lucky. ;)

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laga:

sphery: might be the radeon driver. who knows

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sphery:

keith4: My completely uninformed opinion is, yes, that would be sufficient.

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sphery:

keith4: I have an Athlon X2 4800+ and it does software decode just fine. I can get to 1.5x for 720p or 1.35x for 1080i material.

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sphery:

If you really like timestretch, though, more CPU is better. (Mine is a 2.4GHz x 2 core chip. The one you saw is 2GHz x 2 core, but Core 2 is slightly more efficient than Athlon 64.)

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keith4:

i don't think i'm interested in timestretch

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keith4:

what is timestretch for?

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Hilikus:

is it true that i need to patch the lirc module to run the remote and IR blaster at the same time?

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Hilikus:

im not clear on that

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Yahooadam:

Hilikus – what are you using ?

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Yahooadam:

lirc_mceusb2 – or the new phillips remote ?

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Yahooadam:

or somthing else

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Hilikus:

i compiled lirc to run with my haupage 150 RC

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Hilikus:

the receiving part is workingh already

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Hilikus:

i can control the pc with the remote

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Hilikus:

but i dont know how to configure the ir blaster

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sphery:

keith4: Sorry. Got busy. Anyway, timestretch allows you to play TV back at faster than real time.

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sphery:

keith4: If you record a 1 hr show, it has no more than 42 minutes of content (most today have less than 40, but we'll say 42). Played back at 1.5x and skipping commercials, you could watch the whole show in 28 minutes.

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adante:

or slower

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adante:

it also adjusts the audio pitch so things do not sound insane

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keith4:

oh. I don't need that

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sphery:

And you won't even notice a difference at 1.25x (unless you see full-body shots of people walking or "physics"--i.e. see a ball get thrown--or they play a song you know). At 1.25x, you can watch the 42-minutes of content in 33.6 mins.

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sphery:

keith4: That's what I thought. Then, I started to use Myth to record anything I might ever want to watch, and I started to get a /lot/ of TV to watch. Now, I can't stand watching TV at 1x.

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sphery:

Though if you're not already a believer, the CPU you're looking at is probably fine.

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sphery:

(I personally like 1.75x for most shows, so I'm considering upgrading my system to more like an X2 6000+. (Though I'll probably wait for Phenom.)

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Hilikus:

Yahooadam so any ideas?

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directhex:

sphery, for floating point stuff, you can't beat intel

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dgstinner:

i have about 50 recordings that are in MPEG-2 format currently. how can i transcode them all to MPEG-4?

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dgstinner:

without viewing each recording and doing it through the menu

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Yahooadam:

Hilikus – woops forgot bout u :p

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Yahooadam:

is that a PVR-150 ?

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Yahooadam:

and is the remote a USB remote

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sphery:

directhex: True now that they've given up on NetBust. I'm interested in seeing what Phenom is like, though.

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sphery:

Main reason I was looking at AMD is because all my current equipment is AMD, so I could reuse more stuff.

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Yahooadam:

...

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Yahooadam:

are you on AM2 right now ?

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directhex:

sphery, 3 FLOPS/cycle. up from previous amd64's 2. not near intel's 4.

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Yahooadam:

arent they server benchies ?

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directhex:

Yahooadam, same shit, different socket

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syle:

lmao

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iamben:

where is the best place to go to see/resolve scheduling conflicts?

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iamben:

anywhere better than "upcoming recordings"?

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jams:

not that i know of

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jams:

that screen at one point was called "conflicts"

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GreyFoxx:

mythweb's upcoming recordings screen

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iamben:

GreyFoxx: does that allow me to filter all but conflicting recordings?

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iamben:

i'd like to be able to see at a glance ALL scheduling conflicts if possible

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GreyFoxx:

I believe so

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iamben:

ill look into it, thanks

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keith4:

wow I feel dumb... how do I delete a recording schedule in mythweb?

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GreyFoxx:

CLick Recording schedules

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GreyFoxx:

pick it then change it to "Cancel this recording"

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keith4:

can I not cancel an inactive schedule?

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GreyFoxx:

What do you mean ?

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dgstinner:

is there an easy way to mass transcode previous recordings to mpeg4?

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GreyFoxx:

Recording Schedules are ALL of your schedules. regardless of if they match something in your listings or not

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keith4:

"cancel this recording" isn't an option for "inactive" recording schedules

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keith4:

dgstinner: a shell script?

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GreyFoxx:

keith4: I don';t understand what you mean by an "inactive" recording schedule

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keith4:

there's a checkbox... labeled "inactive"

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GreyFoxx:

Ahhh ok

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GreyFoxx:

I've never used it or even noticed it before

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keith4:

or, it could be that "cancel this recording" isn't an option for a recording that you have set to "don't record this showing"

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GreyFoxx:

make it I just set one to inactive

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GreyFoxx:

and I can still cancel it

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keith4:

well, whatever

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keith4:

I cancelled it

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keith4:

ah, I'm dumb. it was set to "schedule override"

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user1:

how do i tell wich device my capture card is?

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Yahooadam:

what capture card is it ?

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Yahooadam:

and have you followed any kind of guide to get it running under linux

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user1:

Yahooadam it works

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user1:

just want to know what its listed under in /dev

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Yahooadam:

so back to my first question then ...

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Yahooadam:

some are /dev/video, but it really depends on the card

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user1:

got it

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user1:

was video0

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