| Saturday, September 29th, 2007, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:34] | hadees: | so i have a pvr-500, pvr-150, two AirStart-5000 and i was thinking about adding a couple of firewire cable boxes. I cpu is probably going to be a AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ and for hard drives i should have about 8 279.48 gig (although i don't think all that space will go to mythtv) in a 3ware 9500S-8. I was wondering if this would work ok or if there would be any possible bottle necks |
| [00:02:52] | hadees: | I would think the disk is the real bottle neck but with the raid array i think it should be ok |
| [00:04:37] | hadees: | i should probably add that it has to be a dual frontend/backend and it might be serving up another two frontends |
| [00:05:27] | hadees: | its unlikely everything will be on at the same time and all the recording slots will be full but i would like to build incase that happens |
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| [00:05:55] | Tanthrix: | hadees: Why would you possibily need 7 tuners? |
| [00:06:44] | Tanthrix: | I don't think once in my entire 3 years of using myth have I even had one opportunity when I would have needed even 3... |
| [00:06:53] | hadees: | Tanthrix, multiple people watching live tv frontends 2 or 3 plus recording |
| [00:07:08] | hadees: | i tend to also record a lot more then i watch |
| [00:07:21] | hadees: | i like to be able to choose |
| [00:07:39] | ShockValue: | with 7 tuners and intelligent scheduling, you could probably record every show on TV as long as you didnt need to watch the episodes as they aired |
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| [00:08:15] | hadees: | the thing also is that the AirStar-5000 can only record like 6 channels |
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| [00:08:35] | hadees: | since i am using them for HDTV QAM |
| [00:08:47] | hadees: | and i only get 6 over the cable line |
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| [00:10:52] | ShockValue: | damn it thats annoying... the only ecrypted HD channel at this point on my system is NBC. of course, all the new shows that I like to watch are on NBC... |
| [00:11:02] | hadees: | i probably could drop the pvr-150 and still be fine |
| [00:11:21] | opello: | is there any way to tail /dev/vbi0 while a show is recording on "encoder 1"? i keep getting vbi read timeouts |
| [00:11:40] | ShockValue: | i find that after a month or so of constant recording, i have no need for "live tv".. or at least, its rare. |
| [00:11:44] | maejrep: | hey, got a question ... myth records shows fine, and i can play them back in mplayer. But if I try to play them back from within mythfrontend, this is what I see: //dev001.mybdev.com/~jhansche/screenshot-20070928@200350.png" rel="nofollow">http://dev001.mybdev.com/~jhansche/screenshot . . . 8@200350.png |
| [00:11:53] | maejrep: | any suggestions? :/ |
| [00:11:57] | hadees: | ShockValue, is it really encrypted? because i have had channels that mythtv thinks are encrypted but if you turn off "view only unencrypted channels" or what ever that option is in mythtv-setup then they work fine |
| [00:12:21] | ShockValue: | hadees: yeah, its the only channel withe the 5C flag |
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| [00:13:06] | ShockValue: | ABCHD, 5c: 0x00. NBCHD, 5c 0x01. |
| [00:13:15] | ShockValue: | at least thats what my cable box shows |
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| [00:13:37] | ShockValue: | maejrep does it look the same if you run mythtv fullscreen? |
| [00:13:40] | hadees: | ShockValue, try using mplayer to view the channel |
| [00:13:58] | maejrep: | ShockValue: that is supposed to be fullscreen. I think compiz is making gnome-terminal stay on top |
| [00:14:04] | ShockValue: | hadees: firewire times out trying to see anything on that channel. i get 0 length recordings |
| [00:14:06] | maejrep: | err, gnome-panel |
| [00:14:13] | hadees: | ShockValue, oh its firewire |
| [00:14:19] | hadees: | mine was a QAM |
| [00:14:40] | hadees: | it still think a couple of my channels are encrypted when they aren't |
| [00:15:00] | ShockValue: | maejrep: can you start myth in a non weird/gnome/compiz environment and try that? |
| [00:15:15] | maejrep: | sure |
| [00:15:34] | maejrep: | but it was working before i upgraded to 0.20.2 |
| [00:15:53] | ShockValue: | oh hmm. |
| [00:17:06] | ShockValue: | is there a way to schedule a show like... Record this show anytime on channel 112,109 or 108, but not 3 ? |
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| [00:17:40] | ShockValue: | hrm, maybe ill just drop channel 3 |
| [00:18:24] | ShockValue: | its the "other" PBS station, and the have 99% shared programming of what the HDPBS station has |
| [00:18:26] | maejrep: | same thing ShockValue, without compiz |
| [00:18:46] | ShockValue: | hrm |
| [00:19:10] | ShockValue: | im affraid im not sure then.. ive never seen anything like that |
| [00:20:36] | maejrep: | i'm sure it was something in the 0.20.2 upgrade. it was working to let me tune QAM channels from my channels.conf file, but I upgraded so I could use schedules direct and map the channels to guide data. and after that, I haven't been able to watch recordings or live tv in myth |
| [00:21:21] | maejrep: | i just recompiled with r14498, and its the same thing |
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| [00:22:17] | Cyrexion: | Hey guys, does anyone here have the Hitachi 7K1000 750GB HDD? |
| [00:22:26] | Cyrexion: | in their MythBox, that is? |
| [00:22:50] | Aval0n: | mythtv will still find and lock QAM chans that are 1080i if i'm running 720p correct? |
| [00:23:32] | maejrep: | yes |
| [00:23:46] | maejrep: | you'll have to deinterlace it though |
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| [00:23:49] | amadeux: | yo! |
| [00:23:56] | Aval0n: | odd |
| [00:24:25] | Aval0n: | I am using a channels.conf from some dude who lives near me. it is good and up to date but when I import |
| [00:24:28] | Aval0n: | it's not using all the chans |
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| [00:24:31] | Aval0n: | I get a couple errors |
| [00:26:14] | Aval0n: | am I supposed to have scanned my entire range of channels PRIOR to importing a channels.conf file? |
| [00:26:32] | Aval0n: | top error is timeout scanning 0 — no tables |
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| [00:27:39] | opello: | so on my mythweb the listings show 'no data' but the program guide on the frontend works fine – any ideas on how to try to debug that? |
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| [00:30:24] | Michael_V: | hmm I guess I'll use mplayer instead of internal |
| [00:30:31] | Michael_V: | it seems to work |
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| [00:52:44] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | Any of the uPnp guys on tonight? I can't seem to get more than one uPnp device connected to myth at a time — is it my devices or myth or??? |
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| [00:56:11] | ** J-e-f-f-A *tap* *tap* *tap* Is this thing on? ;-) ** | |
| [00:57:00] | laga: | annoying the hell out of the channel is not going to make "upnp guys" show up |
| [00:57:09] | laga: | i mean, "universal plug and play guys". come on. |
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| [00:59:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | laga: Sorry if it annoyed you... Just trying to see if anybody is there to help. |
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| [01:00:34] | cesman: | J-e-f-f-A: perhaps trying another upnp "server" |
| [01:00:49] | cesman: | My personal recommendation would be fuppes |
| [01:01:08] | cesman: | fuppes.sf.net |
| [01:01:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | cesman: So are you saying the upnp support in mythbackend isn't that reliable? |
| [01:02:11] | cesman: | during my testing, it performed as a more complete upnp server than the upnp implementation in 0.20.x |
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| [01:02:22] | cesman: | that isn't what I'm saying at all |
| [01:02:42] | cesman: | when upnp was first introduced in mythtv, it wasn't completed |
| [01:03:19] | cesman: | I don't know which version of MythTV you are running... |
| [01:03:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | cesman: I'm running svn head from a few days ago, and upnp works great, but usually with just the first device to connect. (strange) |
| [01:03:32] | cesman: | I can only speak to what I know of 0.20.x |
| [01:04:09] | cesman: | again, as easy way to determine where the issue is, is by trying something else |
| [01:04:20] | cesman: | again, my recommendation would be fuppes |
| [01:04:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | cesman: Well, thanks for your input. I'll check out fuppes. |
| [01:05:32] | cesman: | you're welcome |
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| [01:36:55] | venger: | ati driver jacked up my system, says its missing libGL.so.1 |
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| [01:43:08] | Jefff: | anyone there? |
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| [01:47:35] | Yahooadam: | is there a way to send the reschedule signal to mythbackend without stopping it ? |
| [01:47:46] | Yahooadam: | and without running mythfilldatabase |
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| [01:56:00] | Jefff: | I have an old compaq that must run windows 95 or 98 |
| [01:56:10] | Jefff: | does anyone know if this system would work? |
| [01:56:37] | Yahooadam: | work as in .... ? |
| [01:56:52] | Jefff: | could i install the proper hardware |
| [01:56:56] | Jefff: | to get it to work on a computer that old |
| [01:57:10] | Aval0n-: | i'de have to know specs to tell you for sure |
| [01:57:31] | Jefff: | I'll go check it out |
| [01:57:34] | Jefff: | its fairly old |
| [01:58:01] | Yahooadam: | do you want it to be a backend or frontend ? |
| [01:58:13] | Yahooadam: | record, transcode, commflag, watch tv ? |
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| [02:02:49] | Jefff: | i basically want it to work like a tivo |
| [02:03:04] | Jefff: | it doesnt need to play games or anything that fancy |
| [02:03:05] | Yahooadam: | a combined BE FE ? :o |
| [02:03:13] | Yahooadam: | i seriously doubt it will be able to handle it |
| [02:03:21] | Jefff: | just record tv programs and things along that line |
| [02:03:48] | Jefff: | its very old |
| [02:03:51] | kdubya: | if you get a mpeg2 capture card the backend takes virtually nothing |
| [02:03:55] | Yahooadam: | if you were to use it just as a backend, there was a possibility |
| [02:04:04] | kdubya: | if it is at least 800mhz you should be fine |
| [02:04:14] | Jefff: | what do you mean by backend |
| [02:04:20] | Jefff: | i'm sorry i'm new at this |
| [02:04:24] | Yahooadam: | backend records TV and stuff |
| [02:04:27] | kdubya: | myth is a client server archtecture |
| [02:04:29] | Yahooadam: | frontend plays it back |
| [02:04:39] | Jefff: | so basically |
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| [02:04:43] | Jefff: | it would be able to record |
| [02:04:44] | kdubya: | you can record with one computer and playback on another |
| [02:04:50] | Jefff: | then you would have to burn off the videos |
| [02:04:50] | kdubya: | but most people just use one computer for both |
| [02:05:04] | Mixx: | how fast is it Jefff |
| [02:05:19] | Yahooadam: | no, the backend streams over the network to the frontend, you dont need to burn off your shows to watch them |
| [02:05:19] | Jefff: | i'm not sure i'm looking it up now |
| [02:06:27] | Jefff: | it runs windows 95 |
| [02:06:29] | Jefff: | 166MHz Intel Pentium w/MMX |
| [02:06:34] | Mixx: | heh |
| [02:06:35] | Mixx: | nope |
| [02:06:41] | Jefff: | figurd that |
| [02:06:42] | Mixx: | that's not going to handle it |
| [02:06:52] | Jefff: | im probably better off picking up computers from the side of the street |
| [02:06:56] | Jefff: | and just wiping them clean |
| [02:07:02] | kdubya: | haha |
| [02:07:08] | kdubya: | yeah |
| [02:07:25] | Jefff: | i had a nice HP melineum that would have been perfect |
| [02:07:38] | Jefff: | but we got rid of that |
| [02:07:45] | Jefff: | and kept the grandfather computer |
| [02:07:56] | Yahooadam: | do any of the USB tuners have hardware mpeg2 encoders ? |
| [02:08:02] | kdubya: | yeah |
| [02:08:23] | Yahooadam: | so you could use an xbox as a tv recorder ... interesting |
| [02:08:36] | kdubya: | http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvrusb2.html |
| [02:09:10] | kdubya: | i thought lots of people ran myth on xbox |
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| [02:09:31] | Yahooadam: | i tried it |
| [02:09:38] | Yahooadam: | but the xbox just doesnt have enough ram |
| [02:09:42] | Yahooadam: | for a frontend |
| [02:09:44] | maejrep: | anyone know what would cause playback to display like this? //dev001.mybdev.com/~jhansche/screenshot-20070928@200350.png" rel="nofollow">http://dev001.mybdev.com/~jhansche/screenshot . . . 8@200350.png playing the mpg file in mplayer or vlc works fine, its just not playing from mythfrontend |
| [02:10:07] | kdubya: | maybe they are just using xbmc as a frontend somehow |
| [02:10:21] | Yahooadam: | yeah that works |
| [02:10:27] | Yahooadam: | but u cant schedule or anything |
| [02:10:37] | Yahooadam: | just watch |
| [02:11:01] | Dave123: | jedix, would you like a sun enterprise 450 ;) |
| [02:11:15] | kdubya: | maejrep, the internal player just isnt a robust as mplayer or vlc |
| [02:11:21] | kdubya: | as* |
| [02:11:34] | kdubya: | the file is probably crappy |
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| [02:11:42] | kdubya: | unless its doing it will all formats |
| [02:11:55] | kdubya: | with* |
| [02:11:56] | maejrep: | well that isn't really an answer, because playback and live tv both worked fine before upgrading to 0.20.2 |
| [02:12:26] | kdubya: | well obviously livetv should work |
| [02:12:36] | kdubya: | i thought it was an mpeg you got off the web or something |
| [02:12:46] | maejrep: | this is happening on all recordings (even recordings that i had watched before the upgrade within mythfrontend), and livetv |
| [02:12:54] | Yahooadam: | hmm, maejrep, is this a combined BEFE, or seperate boxs ? |
| [02:12:56] | maejrep: | oh no, its recorded mpegs from a schedule |
| [02:13:06] | maejrep: | Yahooadam: combined |
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| [02:13:21] | maejrep: | it's my desktop machine, I just use it to record shows |
| [02:13:28] | maejrep: | it isn't an HTPC or anything |
| [02:13:49] | Aval0n-: | kduby |
| [02:13:52] | Aval0n-: | kdubya |
| [02:14:00] | Aval0n-: | with my kworld |
| [02:14:11] | Jefff: | how hard is it to set this thing up (if i ever manage to find a good computer) |
| [02:14:13] | Aval0n-: | I pick up a bunch of those cable chans but no local 5 or 10 HD |
| [02:14:28] | Yahooadam: | jefff, can be very easy, or can be very had, depends what you want it to do |
| [02:14:32] | Yahooadam: | and where u are |
| [02:14:36] | maejrep: | i just tried 0.21 and its the same thing |
| [02:14:36] | Aval0n-: | I even found a channel.conf from some dude in my same city posted 3 days ago, but it's not working |
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| [02:16:07] | maejrep: | Yahooadam: would it being combined make a difference? even though it worked a week or so ago? |
| [02:16:26] | Yahooadam: | if it was seperate there could be some version difference or somthing |
| [02:16:38] | maejrep: | hmm |
| [02:16:39] | Yahooadam: | im really not sure why you would get an output like that |
| [02:16:53] | maejrep: | version of what? i could try rebuilding some dependencies, but i have no idea what to try |
| [02:17:03] | Yahooadam: | what rendering method is it using, opengl or qt ? |
| [02:17:07] | maejrep: | opengl |
| [02:17:52] | Yahooadam: | see if QT makes a difference |
| [02:19:05] | maejrep: | it didn't :/ |
| [02:19:36] | Yahooadam: | hmm |
| [02:19:37] | maejrep: | the small preview on the "Watch Recordings" screen shows a low-res version of it, and it looks fine |
| [02:19:46] | Yahooadam: | try running mythfrontend from a terminal |
| [02:19:56] | maejrep: | but trying to play it full screen in mythfrontend is giving me this :/ |
| [02:19:59] | maejrep: | that is from a terminal |
| [02:20:06] | Yahooadam: | then when it screws up like that you can see if there is any message that might help |
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| [02:20:43] | maejrep: | the closest thing is this: X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8 |
| [02:20:44] | maejrep: | Major opcode: 142 |
| [02:20:44] | maejrep: | Minor opcode: 14 |
| [02:20:44] | maejrep: | Resource id: 0x218 |
| [02:21:22] | Yahooadam: | i think i get that when i start it |
| [02:21:34] | maejrep: | yeah i've seen it before, and it doesn't always mean a problem |
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| [02:22:18] | Yahooadam: | is this from repositories ? |
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| [02:22:44] | maejrep: | its a gentoo ebuild: media-tv/mythtv-0.21_pre14513 |
| [02:24:40] | Yahooadam: | well i dont have a clue whats wrong |
| [02:24:47] | Yahooadam: | you could try mythfrontend -v all |
| [02:25:19] | Yahooadam: | but other then that .... maybe reinstalling mythtv and its dependencies ... |
| [02:25:27] | Yahooadam: | or updating its dependancies |
| [02:25:27] | maejrep: | yeah i tried that :/ |
| [02:25:44] | maejrep: | i recompiled ffmpeg, but other than that i'm not sure what else to try |
| [02:25:52] | maejrep: | not even sure if mythtv uses ffmpeg |
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| [02:27:25] | Yahooadam: | "This list includes mysql, gcc, freetype2-devel, xorg-xserver-devel, qt-devel and lame. If you're going to use a remote control with MythTV, you're going to need the cdialog package in order to compile lircd if your distribution doesn't have a pre-packaged lirc. If you are using XMLTV as a grabber, you will need perl." |
| [02:27:54] | Yahooadam: | NOTE: Qt v3.3 or higher is required. NOTE: MythTV DOES NOT WORK with Qt4. |
| [02:28:28] | maejrep: | using qt 3.3.8 |
| [02:31:56] | Jefff: | well thanks for your help guys |
| [02:32:08] | Jefff: | hopefully if i get an up to par computer i'll see you again |
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| [03:01:16] | jedix: | Dave123: hmm? |
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| [03:24:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | cesman: you still around? |
| [03:24:25] | cesman: | yes |
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| [03:25:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | cesman: I setup fuppes — seems to work fine, but ff/rew don't work... :-( (they do with the myth UpNP server) |
| [03:25:44] | cesman: | ok... |
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| [03:25:56] | cesman: | what do you want me to do about that? |
| [03:26:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | cesman: Did they work for you? |
| [03:26:21] | cesman: | I cannot recall |
| [03:26:31] | cesman: | it has been awhile since I did my testing |
| [03:26:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | cesman: Ok... thanks. |
| [03:27:01] | cesman: | I included it w/ KnoppMyth primarily because of the deficiencies in MythTV's UPnP server |
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| [03:30:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | cesman: Well thanks for your input. I'm trying a firmware update on my I-O DATA AvelLink2 player to see if that resolves the FF/REW issue... BTW: Thanks for your work on KnoppMyth — it was my first experience with MythTV. ;-) |
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| [03:40:43] | yotux: | I am getting choppy live tv any ideas |
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| [03:41:51] | cesman: | J-e-f-f-A: you're welcome |
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| [03:43:32] | Gurft: | I've finally hit my last frustration point with mytharchive. For some reason my audio is ALWAYS out of sync with the video |
| [03:43:41] | Gurft: | no idea why, if I do it by hand though, works great |
| [03:43:43] | Gurft: | just takes HOURS |
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| [03:44:28] | Gurft: | Has there been a pile of updates to mytharchive in SVN that would compell me to just grab it build it and run it? |
| [03:45:12] | cesman: | look at the commits |
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| [03:56:45] | sigger_: | anyone give a hand getting svideo out working on fresh install on a VIA EPIA 5000 (CLE266) chipset. |
| [03:57:15] | sigger_: | I had installed originally about 1.5 years ago and just suddenly lost HD |
| [03:57:40] | sigger_: | IIRC, I had to tweak the X file |
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| [04:24:36] | SlicerDicer-: | hey mchou you here? |
| [04:24:57] | mchou: | What's up SlicerDicer-? |
| [04:25:21] | mchou: | how's the hydroponics? |
| [04:25:22] | SlicerDicer-: | skype |
| [04:25:26] | SlicerDicer-: | doing great |
| [04:25:29] | SlicerDicer-: | I am about to expand it |
| [04:25:32] | SlicerDicer-: | :) |
| [04:25:33] | mchou: | gimme one sec |
| [04:25:41] | SlicerDicer-: | adding a large tray 8x4 ebb and flow |
| [04:25:53] | SlicerDicer-: | will make it 3x larger |
| [04:25:59] | mchou: | damn! |
| [04:26:03] | SlicerDicer-: | I should be able to fit in the pepper plants I want and shit like that |
| [04:26:13] | mchou: | I'm on |
| [04:26:16] | SlicerDicer-: | alright |
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| [04:53:12] | robbins876: | what are you growing hydro? |
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| [07:06:14] | p1mrx: | any suggestions for when mythfrontend just locks up while playing recorded TV? |
| [07:06:30] | p1mrx: | I can still SSH into the box, but myth itself isn't responding to any controls |
| [07:07:42] | p1mrx: | mythfrontend is just sitting there, consuming 1% of the CPU |
| [07:08:55] | p1mrx: | it happens, on average, maybe once every few hours of play time |
| [07:09:30] | p1mrx: | happens with both ffmpeg and libmpeg2 as a decoder |
| [07:10:08] | p1mrx: | after the picture froze, I brought up a console window and exited... it left a black rectangle on the picture where it had been |
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| [07:20:20] | jimg: | How do I disable the message Mythtv is locked by a user in mythwelcome? |
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| [07:34:29] | o_cee: | anyone who has enabled x264 in svn myth under ubuntu feisty? |
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| [07:41:31] | jwilliams: | Hello all. I have been Googling for the answer to this question, to no avail and I hoping someone can shed some light on it. |
| [07:42:09] | jwilliams: | I am trying to set up MythWeb. I've installed rpms from ATRpms on Fedora 7 and read the installation docs on the main mythtv site |
| [07:42:49] | jwilliams: | But I'm getting the dreaded message "Cannot connect to backend server on XXXX:6543. Is it running?" |
| [07:43:16] | jwilliams: | Yes, it is running. How can I track down what the problem really is? |
| [07:43:24] | xris: | jwilliams: turn off selinux |
| [07:43:30] | jwilliams: | Aha! |
| [07:43:39] | jwilliams: | xris: thanks :-) |
| [07:43:49] | xris: | so secure, not even YOU can use your computer. :) |
| [07:44:04] | jwilliams: | Sigh. Ain't that the truth ... |
| [07:44:49] | jwilliams: | OMG! As simple as that. It works! |
| [07:45:01] | jwilliams: | Another four hours or so wasted due to SELinux ... |
| [07:45:12] | jwilliams: | Thank you thank you thank you :-) |
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| [07:46:52] | psynautic: | so i updated to ubuntu feisty from edgy, and in the process it updated mythtv to the 20.02 version |
| [07:47:08] | psynautic: | but when it happened i lost all the options for the mythplugins |
| [07:47:18] | psynautic: | the are supposedly installed |
| [07:47:28] | psynautic: | :: eerie cheesy ghost sound :: |
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| [08:32:01] | juski: | oh nice! OpenOffice's word processor doesn't seem to allow custom paper sizes |
| [08:33:05] | p1mrx: | no way that could be true... |
| [08:33:50] | p1mrx: | seems pretty customizable to me |
| [08:33:55] | p1mrx: | are you at Format->Page ? |
| [08:34:09] | juski: | ahhh thanks |
| [08:34:46] | juski: | I've been too used to the 'other' (cough) word processor |
| [08:34:59] | juski: | saved me looking it up anyway :D |
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| [08:36:07] | anykey_: | Someone's using myth together with a via epia? |
| [08:36:20] | juski: | anykey_: yup. only for a frontend. wouldn't recommend it |
| [08:36:28] | anykey_: | juski: why? |
| [08:36:50] | juski: | prebufferring pauses when using xvmc – oh and it can't play back sdtv without xvmc |
| [08:37:08] | anykey_: | which one do you have? c7? |
| [08:37:19] | juski: | and hold the front page! it's not high cpu usage which is the problem either |
| [08:37:26] | juski: | c3 |
| [08:37:33] | anykey_: | what's the problem then? |
| [08:37:45] | juski: | if I knew that it wouldn't be a problem anymore |
| [08:37:51] | anykey_: | oh ok |
| [08:38:07] | anykey_: | I like it because linuxBIOS runs on it, and it's small and it doesn't consume that much power |
| [08:38:18] | juski: | linuxbios is very limited |
| [08:38:32] | juski: | not really suited to anything which needs VGA |
| [08:38:45] | anykey_: | sure about that? |
| [08:38:55] | juski: | that was the case last time I looked |
| [08:39:22] | juski: | plus it doesn't take _that_ long to load a kernel, so it's not saving you much time |
| [08:39:52] | anykey_: | I don't know about the epias, but the "normal" pc motherboards have a crap bios that is taking ages to scan for hardware |
| [08:40:14] | anykey_: | and it's just not pretty if you see "ASUS" when you want to watch TV ;) |
| [08:40:18] | juski: | my frontend boots over the network in less than a minute |
| [08:40:40] | juski: | that's from powerup to mythtv menus |
| [08:40:59] | anykey_: | hm ok |
| [08:42:13] | anykey_: | what I want to do is integrating the whole hardware into a hifi-system (i.e. inside the equipment). I want to exchange the cd-changer with a normal 5.25" dvd drive, the tapedeck with a VFD... so I just haven't enough spare room for a micro-atx board, which leads me to the epias... |
| [08:42:55] | juski: | you know you can get mini-itx boards that take real CPUs don't you? |
| [08:43:02] | anykey_: | yeah I know |
| [08:43:10] | anykey_: | but they're quite expensive |
| [08:43:45] | juski: | after my experience with this board, my next frontend is very likely going to be a mac mini. not be hiding that away, of that you can be sure! |
| [08:44:46] | anykey_: | if you say the epia isn't able to play sdtv without xvmc, does it play xvid at sdtv resolution with/without xvmc? |
| [08:44:51] | juski: | if you want to do HDTV, I strongly recommend you buy something with a real CPU |
| [08:44:55] | juski: | anykey_: xine does |
| [08:45:03] | anykey_: | internal player doesn't? |
| [08:45:58] | juski: | I only have trouble with mythfrontend's Internal player in later versions of minimyth. like I said it's not that high cpu usage is holding it back. when it's fine, cpu usage is like 40%. when cpu usage is _lower_ (!) playback pauses every 10 secs or so |
| [08:46:17] | xris: | juski: even my quad core has trouble with HD... granted, I have interlacing turned on, and am resizing to non-HD res for display |
| [08:46:17] | anykey_: | strange |
| [08:46:32] | anykey_: | well, we don't get HDTV for some years here, I guess |
| [08:46:45] | raidenz: | Compiled my kernel with the latest kernel + latest genpix universal driver but when I compile mythtv from svn, it says "dvbchannel.cpp:155: error: 'struct dvb_fe_caps_extended' has no member named 'modulations'. Any idea? |
| [08:51:38] | jarle: | Anybody ever imported .m3u playlists into mythmusic? |
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| [09:32:31] | AndyCap: | anykey_: btw, thare are tools that lets you replace that asus if you dig around. |
| [09:33:47] | AndyCap: | hmm, wonders how the whole hibernate bios magic works. it's really fast to start loading the kernel etc if the machine was hibernated |
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| [09:35:53] | anykey_: | AndyCap: I know, but there are no tools to disable hardware scanning, which isn't very nessecary for booting linux |
| [09:37:26] | AndyCap: | anykey_: if you figure out how the hibernate setup works you can I guess |
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| [09:40:34] | SiD3WiNDR: | anykey_: you can load op open/linuxbios in epia's btw :) |
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| [09:42:00] | anykey_: | SiD3WiNDR: i know 'cause thats exactly the reason for me considering it... but if it's that slow... |
| [09:43:44] | SiD3WiNDR: | ah, I see you said that a little above, heh |
| [09:46:21] | AndyCap: | anykey_: hehe, find a bigger piece of hifi equipment |
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| [09:47:42] | AndyCap: | anykey_: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/resources/respe . . . mp_bios.mspx |
| [09:50:17] | AndyCap: | Twiddle that every shutdown? |
| [09:51:02] | AndyCap: | Aw crap. the actual spec has an enormous license agreement. screw that |
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| [10:45:27] | rooaus: | hi all |
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| [10:47:07] | mortenmj: | i'm setting up lirc. mode2 gave me nice output, then i copied over the lircd.conf for my remote (imon soundgraph thing), and now irw gives me nice output too, with button names and everything. but i can't for the life of me make it do something. right now i'm just trying to map Vol+ to a bash script, to test. |
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| [10:58:39] | siXy: | mortenmj: did you remember the ~./.lircrc file? |
| [11:00:15] | mortenmj: | siXy: i'm trying to use /etc/lirc/lircrc |
| [11:00:23] | mortenmj: | but i guess i could try |
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| [11:14:01] | mortenmj: | i make fix |
| [11:14:08] | mortenmj: | ^___________________^ |
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| [11:56:15] | Hoxzer: | Guys, We need to unite our knownlage in order to figure out how to tell mythfrontend to use certain lircd |
| [11:56:37] | Hoxzer: | Because some people have multiple IR receivers in dual headed systems |
| [12:21:13] | siXy: | Hoxzer: there are several different ways to do it. |
| [12:22:08] | Hoxzer: | Yeah, but since some people have remotes that send same singals as another remote does hence that people can't use "remote =" option in lircrc file |
| [12:22:40] | siXy: | Hoxzer: what is it *exactly* that you are trying to do? |
| [12:23:23] | Hoxzer: | Two remotes, two receivers, two frontends. One remote/receiver for each frontends. One backend |
| [12:23:56] | siXy: | identical remotes or not? |
| [12:24:31] | Hoxzer: | NOt identical but they have buttons that send same singals |
| [12:24:54] | Hoxzer: | for example "up" in one remote is "0" in another |
| [12:26:33] | siXy: | run mode2 on each and find out if they have unique codes for each button (they should do) |
| [12:26:40] | siXy: | if so its very easy |
| [12:27:14] | siXy: | it only gets hard if you are trying to do it with identical rmeotes |
| [12:27:17] | Hoxzer: | I tested it with IRW |
| [12:27:43] | siXy: | test with mode2 |
| [12:29:07] | Hoxzer: | Ok..., btw is it normal that receivers taht come with TV-cards report different codes than serial receiver ? |
| [12:29:22] | siXy: | if they are different remotes then they are unlikely to transmit the same codes, but there is sometimes overlap |
| [12:29:34] | laga: | just patch the source to use different lircd sockets? |
| [12:30:42] | siXy: | laga: thats what I did, but I had identical remotes. if your remotes are different you probably only need a well-written lircd.conf and lircrc file(s) |
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| [12:34:58] | siXy: | where it gets really fun is if your remotes are all USB models that get randomly assigned an ID on boot.... |
| [12:36:21] | laga: | they should still have an unique serial number |
| [12:39:33] | siXy: | Yeah – thats probably how I did it – I remember it tok *ages* to get working reliably tho – and included applying some very dirty hacks to the lirc source |
| [12:40:44] | laga: | :) |
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| [13:58:46] | squish103: | any1 know why my haugpage 150 sound is fine, and then i have an HD ati wonder (dvb) that is VERY soft. playing out stereo jack |
| [13:59:10] | squish103: | i can hardly hear the dvb card (tuning QAM256) |
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| [13:59:33] | squish103: | does not look like you can set recording volume in the setup |
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| [14:01:44] | laga: | it's DVB, what do you expect? |
| [14:02:12] | GreyFoxx: | I actually lowered the recoring volume on my PVR card recordings becaus eof that sort of thing |
| [14:02:46] | GreyFoxx: | anytime I switched from aDVB or firewire recording to a PVR card recording it was deafenning since I had previously upped the volume listenning to the dvb recording |
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| [14:05:59] | squish103: | GreyFoxx but my dvb is soooo low i can only just hear it when the TV volume is full |
| [14:06:07] | squish103: | so there must be something i have missed |
| [14:06:44] | squish103: | but i could not see any settings on DVB... because it is already a digital stream, does that mean that you cannot adjust the volume? |
| [14:06:45] | laga: | have you tried to switch to a different audio channel when you watch the recording? |
| [14:07:18] | squish103: | laga, no, what is that.. this is first time i have hooked the tv up |
| [14:07:54] | laga: | hit "m" and you can probably switch to a different audio track there |
| [14:08:07] | squish103: | thanks, ill look now |
| [14:08:13] | GreyFoxx: | squish103: You are turning up the TV;'s volume or your computers volume? Cause maybe the PC is outputting a lowvolume signal |
| [14:10:06] | squish103: | computer volume = 100% |
| [14:10:15] | squish103: | tv volume is close to 100% |
| [14:10:18] | Aval0n-: | hi grefoxx |
| [14:10:23] | Aval0n-: | greyfoxx* |
| [14:11:03] | squish103: | maybe i should try get sound out digitally |
| [14:11:05] | Aval0n-: | squish103 run alsamixer and pump up your pcm |
| [14:11:06] | ** laga is currently doing this weekly trunk upgrade ** | |
| [14:11:20] | squish103: | ok will try that |
| [14:11:28] | waldo: | hi y'all , trying to get mythtv0.20 running her on a 64bit kubuntu feisty i've got two DVB cards (one sat one terestrial) but mythtv-setup keeps telling me 'failed to open card' when trying to scan |
| [14:11:52] | Aval0n-: | then your cards are not setup correctly |
| [14:11:57] | Aval0n-: | just wondering, |
| [14:11:57] | waldo: | i'm sure the card isn't in use and that the mythtv user is in the video group |
| [14:12:11] | Aval0n-: | why on god's green earth are you running the 64-bit version |
| [14:12:18] | waldo: | .. card work fine with kaffeine |
| [14:12:28] | waldo: | why not ? |
| [14:12:39] | Aval0n-: | lacking driver support? |
| [14:13:12] | Aval0n-: | it's not like you are going to notice a speed increase with a mythbox |
| [14:13:14] | waldo: | what drivers ? nvidia is the only driver i need binary and it is available in64bit |
| [14:13:23] | waldo: | dvb modules and such i build myself |
| [14:13:32] | Aval0n-: | well the drivers for your dvb card sure aren't treating you very nice are they |
| [14:13:59] | waldo: | the dvb cards work FINE in kaffeine |
| [14:14:02] | Aval0n-: | failed to open card means, the cards aren't setup and working |
| [14:14:33] | Aval0n-: | you probably have them setup wrong in mythtv-setup |
| [14:14:35] | waldo: | end xine works too |
| [14:14:37] | Aval0n-: | dunno |
| [14:14:43] | Aval0n-: | =/ |
| [14:14:49] | waldo: | :) |
| [14:15:16] | Aval0n-: | I run ubuntu fesity 32-bit and it's been a breeze :) |
| [14:15:27] | Aval0n-: | so you have a dvb-s card eh? |
| [14:15:29] | Aval0n-: | :) |
| [14:15:42] | waldo: | yes |
| [14:15:46] | Aval0n-: | I wish they had one with 2 tuners |
| [14:15:49] | Aval0n-: | that would be cool |
| [14:16:05] | waldo: | you'll need 2 lnb's then too |
| [14:16:12] | Aval0n-: | I do.. |
| [14:16:23] | Aval0n-: | :) |
| [14:16:38] | Aval0n-: | but anyway I'm getting rid of dish |
| [14:16:40] | Aval0n-: | and running with cox |
| [14:16:52] | squish103: | Aval0n- i had to put the "front" up in alsamixer... thanks |
| [14:17:02] | Aval0n-: | yep |
| [14:17:04] | Aval0n-: | sure thing |
| [14:17:12] | Aval0n-: | anyone from the phoenix area on here? |
| [14:17:45] | waldo: | got dish and terestrial dvb .. ordered a smartcard for my cable company .. so soon i'll have al three dvb tastes :) |
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| [14:28:55] | Aval0n-: | nice |
| [14:29:04] | error403: | Hi there |
| [14:29:51] | waldo: | Aval0n-: are there any config files i can look at that myth uses ? |
| [14:30:31] | waldo: | Aval0n-: i realy detest the current config interface, i see how it might be usefull with a remote but realy this suxx monkeyballz |
| [14:30:48] | error403: | I would like to know how to completely remove mythtv and reinstall it on Feisty ubuntu please, I'm only having problems over problems otherwise. |
| [14:30:48] | Aval0n-: | <shrug> |
| [14:30:49] | Aval0n-: | not really |
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| [14:31:08] | Aval0n-: | error did you use the package manager to install mythtv? |
| [14:31:15] | error403: | I used apt-get |
| [14:31:19] | Aval0n-: | ok |
| [14:31:25] | Aval0n-: | so use it to remove myth |
| [14:31:38] | Aval0n-: | or use synaptic package manager |
| [14:31:40] | error403: | I tried that but it won't remove the sql entries and the mythtv user and stuff |
| [14:31:59] | Aval0n-: | you have to apt-get remove mythtv-database |
| [14:32:02] | Aval0n-: | for the sql |
| [14:32:11] | Aval0n-: | just go look in synaptic and see what's checked still |
| [14:32:20] | error403: | so apt-get remove mythtv* doesn't do that? |
| [14:32:22] | Aval0n-: | it will let you choose to remove including config files |
| [14:32:30] | Aval0n-: | <Shrug> |
| [14:32:37] | Aval0n-: | just go look in synaptic and see what's checked still |
| [14:32:45] | error403: | I'll check, brb |
| [14:33:04] | laga: | removing mythtv-database still won't purge the database. heaven forbid |
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| [14:34:20] | error403: | ok, mythtv-database isn't checked, strange |
| [14:34:39] | error403: | So I shouldn't rely on apt-get for mythtv packaging? |
| [14:37:21] | squish103: | Aval0n- any idea how to keep those settings in alsamixer... seems like every time play new show, it adjusts down. even after stopping and starting mythfrontend |
| [14:39:33] | error403: | ok I removed anything mythtv in synaptic, applied, then reselected mythtv frontend and backend and plugins |
| [14:40:49] | squish103: | seems like the "front" setting in alsa mixer only goes down when i select a HD stream |
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| [14:44:56] | Aval0n-: | error403 mysqladmin -u root drop mythconverg |
| [14:49:59] | squish103: | anyone run a standalone mythfrontend? do you shut down the computer when not in use, or do you use some sort of sleep/hybernation? |
| [14:53:25] | error403: | Aval0n-, it failed saying access denied for user root |
| [14:55:10] | Aval0n-: | did you set a root password for your mysql? |
| [14:55:51] | Aval0n-: | you can just mysql -u mythtv -p |
| [14:55:58] | Aval0n-: | if you know your mythtv password |
| [14:56:03] | Aval0n-: | should be in your mysql.txt |
| [14:56:09] | Aval0n-: | then drop it when you get to prompt |
| [14:57:08] | error403: | ok just a sec |
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| [14:58:56] | error403: | Tried with my mythtv password, says invalid |
| [15:02:18] | error403: | so... am i in trouble? |
| [15:03:44] | Aval0n-: | lol apt-get remove mysql |
| [15:03:50] | Aval0n-: | if you arne't using it for anything else |
| [15:03:52] | Aval0n-: | then reinstall it |
| [15:04:42] | error403: | well I dont think its used for anythhing else, I only have two db in there: mythconverg and information_schema |
| [15:06:12] | Aval0n-: | yeah |
| [15:06:16] | Aval0n-: | blow it away then |
| [15:09:19] | Aval0n-: | why would i get no data in table error when I try importing a channels.conf file? |
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| [15:09:47] | Aval0n-: | I have 8 channels in the conf and only get 6 of them |
| [15:09:50] | Aval0n-: | when I import |
| [15:10:00] | Aval0n-: | but the other 2 are known good from someone else in my area. |
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| [15:22:57] | error403: | Success!!! |
| [15:23:09] | error403: | I finally got it to execute correctly |
| [15:24:44] | error403: | What is the difference between choices 2 3 and 4 in mythtv backend? |
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| [15:54:14] | error403: | ok I got the tuner to work |
| [15:56:02] | error403: | Now how can I switch to s-video instead of cbl? |
| [15:59:47] | tank-man: | press the key |
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| [16:06:06] | |Torg|: | does anyone have an epguides script for mythtv, I lost mine |
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| [16:07:36] | IronEag1e: | hi, anyone awake who can help me with a little lirc problem? i'm stuck with irrecord |
| [16:09:32] | jarle: | Anybody ever imported .m3u playlists into mythmusic? |
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| [16:10:29] | jarle: | |Torg|: what kind of script? |
| [16:11:04] | IronEag1e: | i see pulse/space lines when using mode2, but irrecord fails with "irrecord: no data for 10 secs, aborting" followed by "irrecord: gap not found, can't continue" |
| [16:11:15] | |Torg|: | I used to have one that would look up a shows info on epguides then inject SXXEXX into the database |
| [16:11:23] | IronEag1e: | not after 10 seconds, but as soon as i press a button |
| [16:11:26] | juski: | IronEag1e: try being rooty to run irrecord |
| [16:11:39] | IronEag1e: | juski: i am root :) |
| [16:11:53] | juski: | heh |
| [16:11:55] | |Torg|: | jarle: im reasonably sure it was in -users some time ago, but I cant find it |
| [16:12:25] | juski: | btw about varying sound levels in recordings – try putting all your myth audio through JACK with a compressor/limiter plugin ;) |
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| [16:13:23] | juski: | I think we're gonna take that dog back. been building a cupboard to keep all the shoes out of his way (just in case) & he's been no help at all ;) |
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| [16:18:27] | pepperjack: | is there any work being done other than irblaster.. like with tivo you can just connect to cable box? |
| [16:18:45] | juski: | arghhh you fecking bar stewards at RadioTimes. Channel4, Fri Oct5 11:05PM "Comedy series in which telephone prank caller Fonejacker scams and bewilders members of the public with a host of bizarre characters." and for Channel4+1hour, same episode but.. "Fonejacker is a man addicted to prank telephone calls, taking on various guises to satisfy his need to scam and confuse anyone at the end of the phone." |
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| [16:19:12] | juski: | pepperjack: what do you mean? even early tivo used an IR blaster |
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| [16:19:42] | juski: | the difference being that tivo came preprogrammed with codes already setup to just go (tm) |
| [16:20:24] | pepperjack: | i see. itd be nice if i could just get a cable card |
| [16:20:26] | juski: | you'd have been stuck if you had a cable box which tivo didn't know the codes for :P |
| [16:20:45] | Aval0n-: | is there a way to get mythtv to jump to a channel in channels.conf? |
| [16:20:59] | |Torg|: | what he means is when he got the tivo it all worked, The difference pepperjack bing that to do that you need to throw out out computer, your tuner cards, your cable box and your remote. Then ONLY get aproves pretested hardware |
| [16:21:01] | juski: | sure it'd be nice to just get a cable card but here on Planet Earth, there's no way in the world CableCard is ever gonna be made to work in linux |
| [16:21:14] | |Torg|: | if that sounds a bit severre so is your request that mythtv work with "everything" |
| [16:21:17] | Aval0n-: | when I use scan from dvbutils, it sees the channel I want. I can azap to it and lock. but when I import the channel.conf into myth it fails |
| [16:21:19] | Aval0n-: | never shows up |
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| [16:21:57] | |Torg|: | and if you REALLY want that kind of interoperaability I can point you tward some $4000-$6000 PVR premade boxes |
| [16:21:59] | juski: | see open source software is impossible to lock down. You can look in the source, find out what's blocking you & take it out :) |
| [16:22:38] | juski: | Aval0n-: how about when you scan with mythtv-setup? |
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| [16:23:12] | Aval0n-: | juski |
| [16:23:15] | Aval0n-: | doesn't show up there |
| [16:23:23] | Aval0n-: | I tried cable. cable HRC cable IRC |
| [16:23:28] | Aval0n-: | never gives me KPHO |
| [16:23:35] | Aval0n-: | I get 6 out of 8 of these. |
| [16:23:36] | Aval0n-: | http://pastebin.org/3713 |
| [16:23:56] | Aval0n-: | that channels.conf is from someone who lives in the same city as me, and it was posted 5 days ago |
| [16:24:09] | Aval0n-: | and I can tune that channel using the same card on a win box |
| [16:24:10] | juski: | Aval0n-: what does dvb-utils' scan program get you? |
| [16:24:21] | Aval0n-: | that scan program pics it up |
| [16:24:23] | Aval0n-: | and I can azap to it |
| [16:24:31] | Aval0n-: | and it locks |
| [16:24:32] | juski: | you're gonna need to report it then |
| [16:24:53] | juski: | if myth doesn't pick up whatever dvb utils' scan does, that'd be a bug |
| [16:24:54] | |Torg|: | wait, azap? |
| [16:25:10] | Aval0n-: | =( |
| [16:25:22] | juski: | Aval0n-: if you don't report it it won't get fixed :) |
| [16:25:30] | Aval0n-: | where do I report it at? |
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| [16:25:41] | juski: | svn.mythtv.org – with as much information as possible |
| [16:25:42] | pepperjack: | is there a bot for this chan? |
| [16:25:53] | juski: | pepperjack: yes. it's logging everything |
| [16:25:54] | Aval0n-: | i guess I should get the other channel that isn't working either |
| [16:26:14] | Aval0n-: | 1 sec juski let me verify this |
| [16:26:30] | juski: | Aval0n-: what it could be is that your tuner card is lying about the frequency it's tuned to, and mythtv is believing it |
| [16:26:37] | |Torg|: | umm Aval0n- backup a bit, you scanned in QAM channels, and azap tunes to them, correct? |
| [16:26:38] | juski: | it happens on a few tuner cards |
| [16:26:53] | |Torg|: | and Aval0n- you tired to set it up as HRC and IRC and it fails, correct? |
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| [16:27:32] | Aval0n-: | correct torg |
| [16:27:38] | Aval0n-: | 1 sec |
| [16:27:42] | Aval0n-: | I looked at my output.txt |
| [16:27:51] | Aval0n-: | 687000000:QAM_256:49:52:2 is not in there so I have to retract my statement |
| [16:27:52] | |Torg|: | you do know those are two mutualy eclusive things, one is for digtail cable the other analog |
| [16:27:59] | Aval0n-: | but I can azap to it using that channels.conf |
| [16:28:14] | |Torg|: | Id assume azap works becase they are indeeed digital cable |
| [16:28:23] | |Torg|: | scans output indicates that as well |
| [16:28:51] | |Torg|: | unless they are running hybrid cable you do NOT have HRC or IRC onit, those are analog freq schemes |
| [16:28:52] | Aval0n-: | I get all my local channels in HD except KPHO and KSAZ |
| [16:29:05] | |Torg|: | HD or SD dosnt matter, its how its carried |
| [16:29:12] | Aval0n-: | I get locks of locks with IRC as well as cable |
| [16:29:15] | |Torg|: | I get PLENAT of SD channels over ATSC |
| [16:29:21] | Aval0n-: | same |
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| [16:29:42] | |Torg|: | when you scan do you get chanelks that look like [0000] whith differnt numbers in it? |
| [16:29:49] | Aval0n-: | yes |
| [16:29:59] | |Torg|: | do you get those AND get ones with names? |
| [16:30:03] | Aval0n-: | yesx |
| [16:30:11] | |Torg|: | delete the [0000] ones there encrypted |
| [16:30:17] | |Torg|: | how many ones with names do you get? |
| [16:30:36] | Aval0n-: | torg I get regular cable chans coming through on QAM256 too |
| [16:30:45] | Aval0n-: | for seem reason they don't seem to be encrypted in my area |
| [16:30:47] | |Torg|: | your confusing a chanel with a pid |
| [16:31:10] | |Torg|: | and some of your digtial QAM channels carring SD content wil not be encrypoted |
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| [16:31:22] | Aval0n-: | correcct |
| [16:31:24] | Aval0n-: | I have found that |
| [16:31:28] | Aval0n-: | and I don't even care about those |
| [16:31:29] | |Torg|: | by US law they are not suposed to encrypt local brdcast chanel.s SD or HD be damned |
| [16:31:34] | Aval0n-: | I just want my local chans in HD |
| [16:31:36] | Aval0n-: | and i'm missing 2 |
| [16:31:46] | Aval0n-: | there is a guy who lives in my same city using cox as well |
| [16:31:51] | |Torg|: | its spoible they are on some other channel |
| [16:31:56] | Aval0n-: | he posted this channels.conf 5 days ago as working |
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| [16:32:04] | Aval0n-: | http://pastebin.org/3713 |
| [16:32:05] | |Torg|: | learn what a channel is, vs a pid |
| [16:32:12] | Aval0n-: | I can AZAP to KPHO-DT |
| [16:32:13] | Aval0n-: | and it locks |
| [16:32:21] | Aval0n-: | but myth scanner and scan isn't picking it up |
| [16:32:28] | juski: | it locks but is it _working_ ? |
| [16:32:30] | |Torg|: | then import your chanl.conf |
| [16:32:39] | Aval0n-: | Torg I get an error when I try that |
| [16:32:45] | |Torg|: | myth dosnt care about pids it will lock on by itself |
| [16:32:55] | Aval0n-: | it imports 6 of the 8 no problem |
| [16:33:03] | |Torg|: | which does it hav a problem for? |
| [16:33:12] | Aval0n-: | it's not giving KPHO-DT |
| [16:33:22] | jarle: | I'm trying to run this script: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/%7Epfr/hacks/m3u_to_myth.py but it seems like it's not able to connect to mysql... http://www.pastebin.ca/719759 |
| [16:33:30] | Aval0n-: | azap reports this.. |
| [16:33:36] | |Torg|: | does it give you KNXV-DT? |
| [16:34:00] | jarle: | however "mysql -h localhost -u mythtv -p" from the console works just fine... |
| [16:34:07] | jarle: | any help? |
| [16:34:19] | Aval0n-: | root@htpc:/home/aval0n# azap KPHO-DT |
| [16:34:19] | Aval0n-: | using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0' and '/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0' |
| [16:34:19] | Aval0n-: | tuning to 687000000 Hz |
| [16:34:19] | Aval0n-: | video pid 0x0031, audio pid 0x0034 |
| [16:34:19] | Aval0n-: | status 00 | signal edc0 | snr e3c0 | ber 00000750 | unc 00000000 | |
| [16:34:20] | Aval0n-: | status 1f | signal fce0 | snr e248 | ber 000002f0 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [16:34:28] | Aval0n-: | yes it does give my KNXV |
| [16:34:40] | Aval0n-: | sorry that was a bit long I should have pastbinned that |
| [16:35:17] | |Torg|: | then it can find the other, its probbly Cox playing with the TS again |
| [16:35:37] | |Torg|: | see that line that KPHO and KNXV are on? |
| [16:36:15] | |Torg|: | this is how you read the channel.conf |
| [16:36:52] | Aval0n-: | yes |
| [16:36:57] | Aval0n-: | 1 and 2 |
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| [16:37:09] | |Torg|: | <station>:<freq>:<type>:VPID:APID:<subchanelid> |
| [16:37:28] | |Torg|: | that freq + type is what myth calls a transport |
| [16:37:38] | |Torg|: | the vpid and apid myth does not use |
| [16:37:49] | Aval0n-: | ok |
| [16:37:56] | |Torg|: | the subchannel it adds to the end of the channel names |
| [16:38:14] | |Torg|: | you can go scan for that one chanel only by using that one frequency |
| [16:38:25] | Aval0n-: | when I scanned with myth it found KNXV-DT and even had the name as well. |
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| [16:38:54] | |Torg|: | do you understnad how the whole TS works? |
| [16:39:06] | Aval0n-: | i'm learning.. |
| [16:39:07] | Aval0n-: | =/. |
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| [16:40:06] | |Torg|: | ok try this, open two shells. In the first ttpe "azap -a 0 -r KPHO-DT" |
| [16:40:14] | Aval0n-: | ok sec.. |
| [16:40:16] | |Torg|: | assuming adapter0 is your dvb card, is it? |
| [16:40:57] | Aval0n-: | yes i belive so |
| [16:41:01] | |Torg|: | in the second type "dvbtraffic" and let it run |
| [16:41:26] | |Torg|: | now look at dvbtrafic and not not ALL reports report back the same pids |
| [16:41:45] | |Torg|: | thats beace station do not contincuously bordacst all pids all the time, some go ina nd out |
| [16:41:51] | |Torg|: | some are VERY bad at that |
| [16:42:07] | |Torg|: | note one that is 0000 or 0001(I forget what QAM uses) |
| [16:42:15] | Aval0n-: | I see what you are talking about |
| [16:42:26] | |Torg|: | in that pid is a table (I belive it called teh PMT) that tells a tuner what each pid is |
| [16:42:29] | Aval0n-: | I see 1fff 1ffb etc... |
| [16:42:39] | |Torg|: | 1fff I belive is EIT |
| [16:42:51] | |Torg|: | most of the ones you want are in the 30's or so |
| [16:43:15] | |Torg|: | note teh ones in the 30's that have higher kb/s |
| [16:43:30] | |Torg|: | those are video pids (probbly) |
| [16:43:41] | |Torg|: | then not ethe ones after it at a much lower rate (those are audio) |
| [16:43:53] | |Torg|: | one vpis+one apid = what you call a channel |
| [16:44:01] | |Torg|: | that matching is done via PMT |
| [16:44:06] | |Torg|: | that 0000 pid |
| [16:44:25] | |Torg|: | if myth is to add the cahannel it MUST be in that, if not it can not see it to add the channel |
| [16:44:40] | Aval0n-: | I see 0030 0031 0032 0033 0034 and 0035 |
| [16:44:47] | |Torg|: | dvbscan lilewise looks at those pids, but the differ mostly in timeouts |
| [16:45:03] | |Torg|: | its posible, even quite likly Cox dosnt fully adhear to dvb |
| [16:45:16] | Aval0n-: | but i swear I had these channels tuning on my winbox |
| [16:45:19] | Aval0n-: | using total media 3 |
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| [16:45:28] | |Torg|: | again it a matter of timeouts |
| [16:45:43] | |Torg|: | its like watching cars go down the road |
| [16:45:56] | |Torg|: | you turn youtr back and one goes by, you turn arround and there are no cards |
| [16:46:02] | |Torg|: | you then assume the road has no cars on it |
| [16:46:10] | Aval0n-: | so am I sol pretty much? |
| [16:46:15] | |Torg|: | while I look at it and say, yes there are cars you just missed them |
| [16:46:20] | |Torg|: | no, not at all |
| [16:46:30] | |Torg|: | you now understnad how myth fins chanels, right? |
| [16:46:31] | Aval0n-: | oh good :) |
| [16:46:52] | Aval0n-: | yeah the pid and freq stuff is a little confusing but I understand why it would timeout |
| [16:46:54] | Aval0n-: | andf miss it |
| [16:47:19] | |Torg|: | do you remember me telling you myth dosnt us the pids from chanels.conf? |
| [16:47:25] | Aval0n-: | yes |
| [16:47:53] | |Torg|: | do you remember me asking you the differnce between KNXV-DT and KPHO-DT? |
| [16:48:00] | Aval0n-: | yes |
| [16:48:13] | |Torg|: | do you rember my explination of what those numbers represent? |
| [16:48:17] | Aval0n-: | looked to be the subchannel id |
| [16:48:52] | Aval0n-: | no it's the apid |
| [16:48:53] | Aval0n-: | sorry |
| [16:48:54] | |Torg|: | now go open your mythconverg databse and in the channel table find those staitosn |
| [16:49:06] | |Torg|: | I cant remebree which you had and which you didnt, but go look at the one you do |
| [16:49:27] | Aval0n-: | i don't know if I know the mysql kung-fu to do that |
| [16:49:28] | Aval0n-: | :P |
| [16:49:42] | Aval0n-: | let me get into the mythconverg database 1 sec |
| [16:49:44] | jarle: | Aval0n-: phpMyadmin is your friend... |
| [16:50:23] | Aval0n-: | ok, installing that now :PO |
| [16:50:30] | |Torg|: | Aval0n-: can you figre out what Im leading you tward now? |
| [16:50:48] | Aval0n-: | manually adding the same line with a different apid? |
| [16:51:02] | |Torg|: | manualy adding the channel with differnt subchanel id |
| [16:51:05] | |Torg|: | no pids are needed |
| [16:51:06] | Aval0n-: | oh |
| [16:51:10] | Aval0n-: | thats right |
| [16:51:57] | |Torg|: | canid must be unique, myth adds them as adpater_cahnel_subid but yu can call it whatever you please |
| [16:51:59] | SlicerDicer-: | mchou, seems to be working rather well |
| [16:52:17] | Aval0n-: | i just installed myphpadmin |
| [16:52:22] | Aval0n-: | is that web based? |
| [16:52:29] | SlicerDicer-: | of course it is |
| [16:52:35] | jarle: | Aval0n-: yes |
| [16:53:17] | jarle: | Aval0n-: just http connect to the machine phpmyadmin is installed on.. |
| [16:53:29] | Aval0n-: | hey this looks nice... |
| [16:53:40] | Aval0n-: | guess it's time to give mysql root user a password though :P |
| [16:53:58] | |Torg|: | yea well wiat untill you have to put in 50 rows with it, then tell me its nice :P |
| [16:53:59] | SlicerDicer-: | yeah it just bites for being able to restore dbs easy as its limited or was limited to how big you could restore in one shot |
| [16:54:22] | Aval0n-: | hhheeh is the channel table where I need to go? |
| [16:54:31] | |Torg|: | yes |
| [16:54:57] | Aval0n-: | i checked it |
| [16:55:02] | SlicerDicer-: | |Torg|, there is enough utilities in contrib to make the baby jesus cry and never need to know anything but the simple command of how to restore db's |
| [16:55:30] | Aval0n-: | feild chan id? |
| [16:55:43] | |Torg|: | SlicerDicer-: I dont soubt it, I still prefer mysql command line and mysqlrestore |
| [16:56:10] | |Torg|: | chanid is a unique idetifier, does not HAVE to but SHOULD follow convention |
| [16:56:52] | Aval0n-: | so I have to edit multiple feilds here? |
| [16:56:54] | |Torg|: | what chanid is the one you have? |
| [16:57:01] | |Torg|: | mutiple? try all |
| [16:57:09] | |Torg|: | your goig to have to create a record |
| [16:57:19] | Aval0n-: | there's 26 |
| [16:57:24] | |Torg|: | yes, and? |
| [16:57:29] | Aval0n-: | ok.. |
| [16:57:41] | |Torg|: | you do realise you have one that looks ALLOT like it already, right? |
| [16:57:56] | |Torg|: | differs only in a few places, hence the reason I pointed out the one you already had |
| [16:58:01] | Aval0n-: | nothing that I am looking at looks familiar |
| [16:58:21] | |Torg|: | you have KNXV-DT? |
| [16:58:32] | Aval0n-: | I went to the channel table in mythconverb now I see multiple feilds chanid channum freqid callsign |
| [16:58:36] | Aval0n-: | I see no known channels |
| [16:58:48] | Aval0n-: | collation says latin1_swedish lol wth |
| [16:58:49] | |Torg|: | you have more then 10 channels? |
| [16:59:08] | Aval0n-: | I must be in the wrong spot torg I don't see any channels |
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| [16:59:45] | |Torg|: | open phpmyadmin, use the pulldown to go to mythconverg, select channel table, then use the browse tab up top to see the records |
| [17:00:20] | Aval0n-: | aha |
| [17:00:25] | Aval0n-: | I just didn't have browse selected |
| [17:00:39] | |Torg|: | and you thoguth it looked nice :P |
| [17:01:28] | Aval0n-: | hahaha |
| [17:01:34] | Aval0n-: | I see knxv now |
| [17:02:22] | |Torg|: | now that you see KNXV and know how it differs from KPHO do you think you can create a channel? |
| [17:02:26] | waldo: | new question why does mythtv-setup forget about my diseqc settings ? i just pul one lsnb in .. esit the setup go in again and its gone |
| [17:02:49] | Aval0n-: | I'll try |
| [17:02:55] | Aval0n-: | perhaps I should backup this database firsT? |
| [17:02:55] | Aval0n-: | :P |
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| [17:03:19] | |Torg|: | the whole database is a bit extreme, but you should be keepign aily backups anyway |
| [17:03:29] | |Torg|: | just dont go dleting rows |
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| [17:04:26] | DeKay: | Hi. My mythbox /var/lib/mysql directory is huge: almost 4gig of data in it with a bunch of very large mythbox-bin.<number> files in it. What are these and can I delete them? |
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| [17:05:14] | Aval0n-: | hmm I see edit but not create new |
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| [17:06:27] | |Torg|: | I dont know how to add records with phpmyadmin, I dont really use it much other then to do reports |
| [17:06:51] | |Torg|: | ahh theres a tabl up top that says insert |
| [17:08:21] | |Torg|: | DeKay: go into /etc/mysql/my.cnf and turn off binary logging |
| [17:09:55] | DeKay: | |Torg|: Interesting. Is this of any use at all. http://scotgate.org/?cat=16 says it might help me out if there is some corruption in the tables. |
| [17:10:12] | DeKay: | |Torg|: I mean, are these files of any use? |
| [17:10:56] | |Torg|: | DeKay: They have a very good use, but the fact you do not know indicates you dont need them |
| [17:11:11] | |Torg|: | there transaction logs, used for things like replicationa dn rollback |
| [17:11:16] | |Torg|: | also helps with recovery |
| [17:12:45] | DeKay: | |Torg|: Well, I don't need 'em right now :-). Maybe I'll just purge a bunch of them as shown in the link above. |
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| [17:13:27] | |Torg|: | you cant purge just SOME of them |
| [17:13:35] | |Torg|: | they go together as a set |
| [17:13:52] | |Torg|: | do yo plan on setting up replication? |
| [17:14:12] | |Torg|: | do yuo plan on reciovering your databse rather then restoring it? |
| [17:16:09] | DeKay: | |Torg|: OK. That clears things up. Looks like I can get rid of them all then. Just to make sure, this doesn't help with fixing corrupted tables, does it? My recordedseek table gets hit now and then when the power goes out. |
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| [17:16:29] | |Torg|: | yes it helps with corrupted tables, by replaing the transactions |
| [17:17:11] | |Torg|: | I shoudl say it helps with severe corrution |
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| [17:17:28] | |Torg|: | again, why recover when you can restore? |
| [17:18:35] | Aval0n-: | when I add a new channel |
| [17:18:39] | Aval0n-: | and do insert |
| [17:18:48] | Aval0n-: | i see a function drop down for every option can I just leave that blank? |
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| [17:18:58] | DeKay: | |Torg|: I am (obviously) a mysql newb. When I have a problem with recordedseek table, I've always been able to fix it with REPAIR TABLE. So I suppose that means the transaction logs aren't needed in that case. |
| [17:19:36] | |Torg|: | usualy needed, no |
| [17:19:54] | |Torg|: | if *MY* databse got that corrupt I would simply restore last nights backup |
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| [17:21:34] | DeKay: | |Torg|: Well, thanks for the pointer to the binary logging. I'm looking through some of the mysql docs now and will figure something out. |
| [17:21:54] | jams: | heh |
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| [17:56:18] | imperfect-: | Howdy |
| [17:56:19] | imperfect-: | How's it going |
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| [17:56:38] | imperfect-: | is there a way to me to like auto-mark the commericals from the remote? |
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| [18:01:17] | jonK___: | hi, i'd like to get some suggestions for appropriate/neeeded upgrades |
| [18:01:42] | jonK___: | i just bought a new tv and would like to upgrade the my mythtv setup |
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| [18:03:47] | jonK___: | quiet today |
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| [18:07:01] | tretle: | can anyone help me get my tv card running? |
| [18:07:28] | Yahooadam: | grrrr – i emptied the "program" table, reran mythfilldatabase |
| [18:07:28] | Yahooadam: | mythconverg.program check error Found wrong record at 9453680 mythconverg.program check error Corrupt |
| [18:07:50] | xris: | Yahooadam: run optimize_mythdb.pl (in contrib) |
| [18:07:50] | Aval0n-: | torg there? |
| [18:08:16] | jonK___: | tretle, what card? |
| [18:08:31] | tretle: | its an old analog wintv go pci card |
| [18:08:33] | tretle: | pal |
| [18:08:51] | tretle: | pal – 1 |
| [18:09:00] | tretle: | 44315 revb 124 |
| [18:09:19] | jonK___: | sorry, I have no familiarity with that card |
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| [18:10:32] | tretle: | :( |
| [18:12:20] | Yahooadam: | xris – k ran it, rerunning mythfilldatabase |
| [18:16:13] | in8: | hey guys... this is by no means my first install of myth, but I'm having issues with the latest install. seems I cannot watch recorded programs from my remote backend (live tv is ok) and recorded shows on my laptop from the master backend work as well as recorded on the backend. the funny part is the previews display fine soon as I click on the program I get a bank screen for 10 seconds then back to the menu... I've been googling this |
| [18:16:14] | in8: | for days (I've never run into this problem before) can someone point me in the right direction? |
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| [18:17:04] | Rommie: | Kinda OT, but... how much signal degredation do you get with svideo? Between an 18ft and a 30ft cable, are you going to notice a difference> |
| [18:19:16] | |Torg|: | Rommie: its almost neglegable |
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| [18:19:59] | Aval0n-: | hey torg I pmed ya |
| [18:20:14] | Rommie: | |Torg|: Thanks :) |
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| [18:20:56] | |Torg|: | Rommie: you may have misunderstood tho, the differnce between a 18ft and 30 ftp cable is nearly the same, they both suck |
| [18:21:00] | jarle_: | I'm having problems mounting a cifs mount on my mythbox. I have this in fstab "//maskin/Bilder /mnt/Bilder cifs auto,ro,credentials=/home/jarle/.smbcredentials,workgroup=WORKGROUP,uid=500,gid= 500 1 2" still I get "CIFS VFS: No username specified" when trying to mount it. Wrong syntax in /etc/fstab? |
| [18:21:54] | in8: | check you credentials file |
| [18:22:02] | |Torg|: | jarle_: do you want to store the creditials in cleartext? |
| [18:22:12] | in8: | 2 lines username= |
| [18:22:20] | in8: | and password= |
| [18:22:48] | jarle_: | |Torg|: no, that's why I have "-rw------- 1 jarle jarle 31 2007-09–16 22:49 /home/jarle/.smbcredentials" |
| [18:23:19] | jarle_: | username=jarle |
| [18:23:20] | |Torg|: | well put your cleartext password in ~/.creditals like in8 said |
| [18:23:39] | jarle_: | password=<mypassword> |
| [18:23:41] | |Torg|: | sorru ~/.smbcredentials |
| [18:23:48] | in8: | I put my creds under /root myself |
| [18:24:24] | jarle_: | |Torg|: They are cleartext (only one user can read them) |
| [18:24:36] | in8: | credentials=/root/.creds |
| [18:24:37] | |Torg|: | more than 1, but ok |
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| [18:25:15] | |Torg|: | then use //server/share /mnt/servershare/ noauto,credentials=/home/username/.smbcredentials,uid=500,gid=500 1 2 |
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| [18:26:58] | jarle_: | |Torg|: I'd still need to have "cifs" somewhere in there I guess.. |
| [18:27:55] | |Torg|: | oops, yes sorry |
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| [18:29:08] | jarle_: | |Torg|: still no luck... |
| [18:29:50] | |Torg|: | well you can do what I did :) |
| [18:30:27] | jarle_: | |Torg|: which was? |
| [18:30:47] | |Torg|: | get rid of windows, installed kubuntu as my desktop and share them via NFS |
| [18:31:56] | jarle_: | This share is running on a kubuntu-box actually :) I only want to have it password protected that's all... |
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| [18:32:58] | yggdrasil: | hello, can somone |
| [18:33:32] | |Torg|: | nope |
| [18:33:37] | yggdrasil: | help me i restored my db from an older version but i have a few recordings that were on my drive , in the rec folder and im wonderng if theres somehting i can run to sort of load them into the existing database |
| [18:34:08] | in8: | try //server/share /mount/point cifs noauto,credentials=/path/to/.smbcredentials 0 0 |
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| [18:34:18] | |Torg|: | put them in your video directory |
| [18:34:24] | in8: | simplify it and check spelling |
| [18:34:39] | yggdrasil: | ok |
| [18:34:42] | yggdrasil: | and then ? |
| [18:34:44] | yggdrasil: | they are there... |
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| [18:37:55] | jarle_: | in8: I'm starting to wonder if there is some extra package that needs to be installed to enable cifs on ubuntu... |
| [18:38:41] | in8: | open adept and check |
| [18:38:57] | in8: | look for samba and cifs |
| [18:39:33] | in8: | first try |
| [18:40:12] | in8: | mount -t cifs -o user=name //server/share /mnt |
| [18:40:12] | Dagmar: | `modinfo cifs` |
| [18:40:14] | jarle_: | in8: your last "down to scratch example" did not work BTW.. |
| [18:40:21] | Dagmar: | If the module isn't there, you're dead in the water. |
| [18:40:41] | DeKay: | Hmmm. How do I tell mysql which prefix to use when looking for binary logs. SHOW BINARY LOGS shows one log named mysqld-bin, but I'm after the 492 mythbox-bin files. |
| [18:41:44] | jarle_: | Dagmar: modinfo tells me its there.. |
| [18:41:58] | Dagmar: | jarle_: Okay then you should actually be in business, I think |
| [18:42:11] | Dagmar: | I can't remember if there's something extra you need to tell samba on the remote end or not |
| [18:42:23] | in8: | try mount it manually |
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| [18:43:33] | jarle_: | in8: "CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22" |
| [18:43:54] | in8: | check firewall |
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| [18:45:07] | Dagmar: | jarle_: Not to sound mean or anything, but paste the stuff you jsut put in quotes into Google's search bar, without the "-" sign |
| [18:45:23] | squish102: | i have noticed the frontend very slow on selecting options in menu etc and i do not see that when vnc'ing into the server :( |
| [18:45:36] | squish102: | is there a reason for that? is it video card? |
| [18:45:53] | Dagmar: | It's incredibly unintelligent to search that way, but more often than not you find someone posting that same error message somewhere that Google saw, and you'll find the answer quickly |
| [18:46:03] | Dagmar: | Literally in the first page of hits most of the time |
| [18:46:12] | jarle_: | in8: strange this is that I have it all working fine the other way around (sharing from mythbox to maskin) guess I'll have a look at my samba-config... |
| [18:46:32] | Dagmar: | Check this out... first hit: http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2004-March/082181.html |
| [18:46:37] | jarle_: | Dagmar: I have ofcourse done this already to no avail :) |
| [18:46:42] | Dagmar: | Damn |
| [18:46:46] | squish102: | it does not matter if i am connected to monitor or tv, it is just very slow (remote or keyboard) |
| [18:47:28] | squish102: | half the time i keep missing what i want to select to watch because i think it is not accepted the keystroke and i hit it again |
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| [18:49:07] | Dagmar: | Sounds like an interrupt mismatch |
| [18:49:54] | Dagmar: | I'm not sure how that could screw up tho |
| [18:50:04] | Dagmar: | It's very hard to screw up the IRQ for the keyboard |
| [18:50:21] | squish102: | Dagmar, remote is the same |
| [18:50:25] | AndyCap: | Is that even posble? :P |
| [18:50:32] | Dagmar: | It's possible. Trust me. |
| [18:50:33] | squish102: | use wireless keyboards and normal ps2 ones |
| [18:50:39] | AndyCap: | ok. my motor skills seem to be dying. :) |
| [18:50:45] | Dagmar: | I used to supervise a PC build shop riding herd over 15 year olds |
| [18:51:14] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: out of context that sounds iffy. It even sounds iffy in context. |
| [18:51:22] | Dagmar: | You can set interrupts on some older card with jumpers to really stupid settings, and plug n play doesn't often question your judgement when it really should |
| [18:51:23] | Dagmar: | Heh |
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| [18:51:45] | jarle_: | Dagmar: funny thing is that I can browse the share without any problems in konqueror, but when it comes to mounting the share I'm stuck... |
| [18:52:04] | Dagmar: | jarle_: There's a difference between SMB and CIFS. That may be what's getting you |
| [18:52:07] | AndyCap: | Heh, probably. Just didn't think you could get the keyboard off of interrupt 1 |
| [18:52:17] | Dagmar: | It's on 2 |
| [18:52:25] | Dagmar: | I *think* |
| [18:52:36] | Dagmar: | But you can definitely put things ON that interrupt as well |
| [18:52:47] | AndyCap: | 2 is the daisychained pic |
| [18:52:57] | jarle_: | Dagmar: I was under the impression that the difference was very little, maybe the cifs was more effective than smbfs... |
| [18:52:58] | Dagmar: | Okay must be 1 then |
| [18:53:00] | AndyCap: | so 2 moved to 9 and is the display interrupt |
| [18:53:15] | AndyCap: | jarle_: the big difference is the samba unix extensions |
| [18:53:21] | Dagmar: | jerle: Ownership and permissions granularity is greater with CIFS |
| [18:53:31] | AndyCap: | jarle_: which bring you the worst of both NFS and SMB |
| [18:53:35] | Dagmar: | jerle: With SMB you are kinda stuck with the file permission flexibility of Windows 98 |
| [18:53:51] | Dagmar: | With CIFS you can actually have the things map to sane and useful groups and ownership |
| [18:54:15] | AndyCap: | only if you run ldap or nis. which sucks for home usage. :) |
| [18:54:31] | Dagmar: | It might be annoying stuff but it's at least one-stop-shopping to quiet those whiny windows users |
| [18:54:31] | AndyCap: | or you can take the chore of moving UID/GID's around so they match on your machines |
| [18:55:03] | jarle_: | changing from cifs to smbfs I got "smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported" maybe I'm getting closer to narrowing down the problem.... |
| [18:55:30] | Dagmar: | Wildly differing versions of samba perhaps? |
| [18:55:33] | AndyCap: | I can't help thinking that the unix extensions must be an enormous security hole waiting to happen, but we'll see |
| [18:57:16] | Dagmar: | Same solution set as NFS. |
| [18:57:24] | Dagmar: | "Don't use it on a network segment you can't trust" |
| [18:57:27] | jarle_: | Dagmar: smbfs was not installed... |
| [18:57:32] | Dagmar: | jarle_: Aha! |
| [18:58:14] | Dagmar: | AndyCap: Which is not to say that there is or isn't some buffer overflow in it or something, it's just a matter of both can have their sessions and connections hijacked in an eyeblink |
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| [18:58:46] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: well, not that. but the fact that SMB authenticates a single user. while the unix extensions seem to map the nfs machine trust model |
| [18:59:06] | Dagmar: | AndyCap: Well, that's kinda what they were designed to od |
| [18:59:24] | jarle_: | oups! seems like installing the smbfs package also made cifs mounting work! |
| [18:59:35] | jarle_: | some strange packaging by ubuntu?? |
| [18:59:38] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: yes, and that's the broken part |
| [18:59:38] | Dagmar: | Could be |
| [18:59:54] | Yahooadam: | w00t |
| [19:00:00] | AndyCap: | jarle_: missing userland helper somewhere? |
| [19:00:03] | Yahooadam: | ty xris, that _finally_ solved my problem |
| [19:00:08] | Dagmar: | AndyCap: See the problem tho is that it means you can't really get cross-platform with the fileshare without that |
| [19:00:19] | jarle_: | AndyCap: userland helper? |
| [19:00:26] | xris: | Yahooadam: any time mysql starts talking about "corrupt" stuff, you generally just need to repair the table... |
| [19:00:29] | AndyCap: | jarle_: like smbmount etc. |
| [19:00:42] | Dagmar: | jarle_: yeah like when you run mount -o cifs it actually turns around and looks for mount.cifs and calls that |
| [19:00:49] | Yahooadam: | xris – i had repaired it with phpmyadmin, but it would corrupt every time mythfilldatabase ran |
| [19:00:49] | xris: | optimize_mythdb does that for you (easier to tell people to just run that than explain how to log into the mysql cli and run certain commands) |
| [19:00:51] | Dagmar: | You can drive people mad knowing that |
| [19:01:09] | Yahooadam: | doing it your way seemed to finally fix the root problem |
| [19:01:22] | Dagmar: | jarle_: SOME lunatics like to make use of symlinks in or about that area. |
| [19:01:30] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: it worked fine cross platform before. this just stuff unixisms down the CIFS pipe. |
| [19:01:35] | Dagmar: | This is not much different from operating small fires in or about one's underpants. |
| [19:01:35] | AndyCap: | and it seems unsafe |
| [19:02:14] | Dagmar: | Well of course it's less safe since it expands the scope of authority across a network |
| [19:02:30] | Dagmar: | Normally you only have to worry about the credential database on the local machine |
| [19:03:09] | Dagmar: | ...but if you're say, running a real Kerberos domain (and have signed the requisite documents in your own blood by the light of the full moon) this issue evaporates |
| [19:04:04] | Dagmar: | ...but if you've gone that far you might as well make some pacts with C'thulu and go straight for AFS |
| [19:04:06] | AndyCap: | hehe, kerberos is a royal pain. Kudos to MS on implementing that |
| [19:04:15] | Dagmar: | Haha actually technically they did not |
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| [19:04:26] | Dagmar: | People at MIT have called them on it |
| [19:04:40] | Dagmar: | Rather like how their Korn shell isn't actually kosher either |
| [19:04:41] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: they just claim to use kerberos? :) |
| [19:04:46] | Dagmar: | Exactly. |
| [19:04:49] | AndyCap: | Hehe |
| [19:04:57] | AndyCap: | why isn't that surprising.. |
| [19:05:12] | jarle_: | I see that ubuntu has put mount.cifs in the smbfs package, no wonder cifs mounting wouldn't work without it! |
| [19:05:16] | Dagmar: | Even ONE proprietary extention, such as what Microsoft has implemented, that makes it not cross-compatible *both ways* invalidates their right to call it Kerberos |
| [19:05:27] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: oh. that thing. |
| [19:05:33] | Dagmar: | jarle_: dingdingding |
| [19:05:35] | Dagmar: | Heh |
| [19:06:03] | Dagmar: | It's explicitly mentioned in the RFC that that's verboten |
| [19:06:20] | AndyCap: | some way to install ldap, kerberos etc and still remain sane would be nice.. |
| [19:06:33] | Dagmar: | The author of the korn shell popped the big question on one of Microsoft's technical sales reps |
| [19:06:50] | Dagmar: | The sales rep questioned who he was to interpret the specs the way he was doing. |
| [19:07:01] | Dagmar: | The guy introduced himself. Game over. |
| [19:07:15] | AndyCap: | korn shell? is this in the microsoft SFU (shut the fuck up unixusers) |
| [19:07:20] | Dagmar: | AndyCap: Find a cult of fanatical fish men to outsource it to |
| [19:07:32] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: it's too late for me. |
| [19:07:42] | AndyCap: | but maybe others can escape damnation. |
| [19:09:00] | Dagmar: | http://slashdot.org/articles/01/02/06/2030205.shtml |
| [19:09:22] | Dagmar: | It was *hilarious* |
| [19:10:07] | Dagmar: | He addresses it in Question 5 |
| [19:10:38] | AndyCap: | Yeah, was reading q2 about mortice kern ksh |
| [19:10:48] | AndyCap: | which later MS bought iirc. |
| [19:10:58] | Dagmar: | http://lolthulhu.com/2007/06/29/i-made-you-a-fish-god-cult/ |
| [19:11:03] | AndyCap: | hm, no. :) they're still kicking |
| [19:11:37] | Dagmar: | I'm seriously thinking about having one of those from that site made into a T-shirt |
| [19:11:54] | AndyCap: | :) |
| [19:12:23] | Dagmar: | The "Your sanity has a flavor" one is possibly the most threatening thing that could ever be on a tshirt |
| [19:13:00] | AndyCap: | Ooh. :) |
| [19:13:55] | Dagmar: | I would be thoroughly appropriate for me to wear while DJing. :) |
| [19:14:14] | AndyCap: | so, how to get it in tshirt size.. :) |
| [19:14:45] | AndyCap: | meh, what do I know about tshirt-printing, maybe 367x377 pixels is all you can put on. |
| [19:14:49] | AndyCap: | :P |
| [19:14:57] | Dagmar: | I'm thinking about just emailing the arweda guy who posted it to find out what the copyright on the thing is |
| [19:15:27] | Dagmar: | It's probably from some trade paperback I can buy off eBay for ten bucks |
| [19:15:52] | Dagmar: | Considering the type of art it is I could probably even blow it up and keep smooth edges |
| [19:16:17] | AndyCap: | oh, what was that cartoon filter 3x thingie |
| [19:16:19] | Dagmar: | ...but considering there would be a conversion to four color involved... |
| [19:16:42] | AndyCap: | http://www.hiend3d.com/hq3x.html |
| [19:16:46] | Dagmar: | Well, that's technically cheating if I just had CafePress make me *one* of them |
| [19:17:02] | Dagmar: | ...but making it look like a four color job is not hard. :) |
| [19:18:11] | Dagmar: | I've learned a lot of crap about image processing from messing with MythTV |
| [19:18:45] | AndyCap: | even CMYK? :P |
| [19:18:49] | Yahooadam: | Dagmar – from that Article |
| [19:18:49] | Yahooadam: | "Anything that can be done with the GUI should be able to be done without the GUI via scripting. This is important if you ever want to automate tasks in the future. Scripting can then be used for automation and for testing." |
| [19:18:49] | Yahooadam: | if only mythtv-setup was like that :( |
| [19:18:54] | Dagmar: | That conversion I actually learned years ago |
| [19:19:17] | Dagmar: | Yahooadam: Well, there is zenity |
| [19:19:23] | Dagmar: | ...and Glade::XML |
| [19:19:48] | Dagmar: | AndyCap: I did some really demented things in college with a Commodore 128D |
| [19:20:21] | AndyCap: | Hmm, next you'll be telling me you wrote basic8 or something. :P |
| [19:20:28] | Dagmar: | Being that it was all I had at the time, I wrote a raytracer |
| [19:20:42] | Dagmar: | It took three days to render a scene |
| [19:20:54] | AndyCap: | Hehe. not bad. |
| [19:20:55] | Dagmar: | ...but it impressed the holy hell out of my calc professors |
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| [19:21:03] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [19:21:17] | Dagmar: | I used to to show them "Okay, look, so I screw up simple math on my own, but I *do* understand this stufff" |
| [19:21:33] | AndyCap: | :) |
| [19:21:59] | Dagmar: | Doing the output, rendering with 4096 colors... that was the geeky part of it |
| [19:22:09] | AndyCap: | How would you display it? |
| [19:22:29] | Dagmar: | Raster interrupts were the keys to the kingdom on those machines |
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| [19:22:39] | AndyCap: | Ah. ok. |
| [19:22:59] | Dagmar: | Since the output is a TV, it would be flickery anyway, but you could just basically alternate the colors between passes of the screen and approximate the colors |
| [19:23:14] | Dagmar: | Thanks to crappy refresh, you'd get the new color most of the time |
| [19:23:48] | Dagmar: | This looks like utter crap on an emulator |
| [19:23:52] | AndyCap: | mm, yeah. I think I saw somebody mention that on the amiga to coax it into more than 4096 colours. |
| [19:24:46] | Dagmar: | You had to do it using whole 80x25 character cells on the c-128 |
| [19:24:58] | Dagmar: | Not enough RAM by ANY means to keep a large number of images to flip |
| [19:25:25] | AndyCap: | Hehe, wikipedia has stuff on pretty much any nerdy subject. even the C128 video chip |
| [19:25:30] | AndyCap: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS_Technology_8563 |
| [19:25:36] | Yahooadam: | lol |
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| [19:25:40] | Dagmar: | Well, as hardware went for playing with, that machine really kicked ass |
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| [19:25:53] | Dagmar: | It was *really easy* to get those things to do stuff |
| [19:26:12] | Dagmar: | nerds like stuff with instant visual gratification |
| [19:26:50] | AndyCap: | didn't really put in enough time with my c64 though. |
| [19:27:12] | Dagmar: | Heh. my 6502 guide looked like an entire zoo wing had been after it |
| [19:27:58] | Dagmar: | It's masochistic to learn to program in opcodes *and* remember how many cycles each takes, but it let you do really crazy stuff knowing exactly how many ticks were going to pass |
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| [19:28:44] | AndyCap: | that is masochistic. |
| [19:29:03] | Dagmar: | Yes, but the good news was that there were only 255 opcodes |
| [19:29:28] | AndyCap: | incidentally, opcodes on paper is the suckciest way of software distribution ever. :) |
| [19:29:33] | Dagmar: | ...and only a small number of registers to worry about as well |
| [19:29:40] | Dagmar: | God I remember that |
| [19:29:50] | Dagmar: | Spending HOURS typing in stuff from Compute! |
| [19:29:58] | AndyCap: | 100 DATA 49,1,1,4,52,4,232,12,44 |
| [19:30:12] | Dagmar: | Euw bootstraps |
| [19:30:14] | ** willcooke still has all his back issues of "Input" ** | |
| [19:30:40] | Dagmar: | It was one of those mags that made me write an interactive fiction parser |
| [19:30:52] | Dagmar: | ...which more or less forced me into assembly. |
| [19:31:02] | Dagmar: | 48K of RAM on a good day was all you got. |
| [19:31:13] | AndyCap: | where's the dept of child services? |
| [19:31:15] | Dagmar: | I have shell scripts bigger than that now |
| [19:31:16] | willcooke: | 48K??? Luxury! |
| [19:31:55] | AndyCap: | and then some weirdo with at ZX-81 comes along |
| [19:32:08] | Dagmar: | willcooke: To get anywhere near a naturalish language parser, you need more than that if you're writing in BASIC |
| [19:32:28] | ** willcooke loves BASIC! ** | |
| [19:32:35] | Dagmar: | AndyCap: you could blow those up through the keyboard |
| [19:32:48] | Dagmar: | I now agree with the C people. |
| [19:32:51] | Dagmar: | BASIC causes brain damage. |
| [19:33:14] | AndyCap: | yet so many survive and move on to becoming C programmers. |
| [19:33:19] | willcooke: | At uni my notes for C++ lectures went along the lines of "c.out = print" |
| [19:33:25] | Dagmar: | ...although admittedly, there's a lot of people that it takes a week to teach about line numbers. |
| [19:33:32] | AndyCap: | ... |
| [19:34:01] | Dagmar: | No joke there were girls in my high school that I wondered how they managed to tie their shoes or fill out a simple form |
| [19:34:19] | AndyCap: | getting boys to do it? |
| [19:34:25] | Dagmar: | Apparently |
| [19:34:28] | willcooke: | :) |
| [19:34:58] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [19:34:58] | willcooke: | I used to make fake ID's for girls like that using an Archimedes and a copy of "!DTP" |
| [19:35:05] | Dagmar: | heh |
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| [19:35:49] | Dagmar: | I came close to making my own work badge with magstripe for one place I worked at |
| [19:35:59] | Dagmar: | I didn't like the production quality on the ones they were making |
| [19:36:14] | willcooke: | :)) |
| [19:36:28] | Dagmar: | ...but this might have been interpreted as reflecting poorly on the function that department was doing, and I was in a different security department |
| [19:36:59] | Dagmar: | Some photo ID badging machines are much better than others |
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| [19:40:23] | Yahooadam: | sigh xris, ran mythfilldatabase again, same corruption problem |
| [19:40:38] | Yahooadam: | mythconverg.program check error Found wrong record at 8145752 mythconverg.program check error Corrupt |
| [19:41:18] | xris: | Yahooadam: you sure you don't have bad ram/disk? |
| [19:41:34] | Yahooadam: | as far as i know there isnt a problem |
| [19:41:49] | Yahooadam: | HDD is reasonably new, and no problems with the computer not booting |
| [19:42:05] | Yahooadam: | but the problem is too specific to be ram/HDD |
| [19:42:19] | Yahooadam: | every time i run mythfilldatabase, the program table breaks, and only that table |
| [19:42:42] | xris: | yeah, it's just really weird |
| [19:43:16] | Yahooadam: | at the end of mythfilldatabase |
| [19:43:18] | Yahooadam: | 2007-09–29 20:32:31.998 Marking episode last showings. |
| [19:43:18] | Yahooadam: | 2007-09–29 20:32:33.658 Found -2 |
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| [19:47:16] | Cyrexion: | Hsy guys, I have a mythbox set up with a pcHDTV-5500 card installed. is it possible to set it up so that capture card can recieve OTA broadcasts, as well as receive SD channels from my DiSH receiver via S-Video ? |
| [19:51:02] | Yahooadam: | sigh |
| [19:51:05] | Yahooadam: | this really sucks |
| [19:56:19] | riddlebox: | in theory since myth uses databases for everything, I could write an application that could insert the data into the record table, and myth would record it then right? |
| [19:56:41] | Cyrexion: | That makes sense to me. |
| [19:57:29] | riddlebox: | its weird, I cannot get it to work...more coffee and soda, then maybe it will work ;) |
| [19:57:46] | GreyFoxx: | riddlebox: You also have to tell the backend to reschedule |
| [19:58:07] | riddlebox: | GreyFoxx, mythbackend --resched right? |
| [19:58:28] | GreyFoxx: | hyup |
| [19:58:44] | Yahooadam: | ZOMG |
| [19:58:56] | Yahooadam: | i asked that the other day and was told it couldnt be done |
| [19:59:10] | riddlebox: | yeah, there must be certain fields that I need to insert in order to get it to work |
| [19:59:22] | Yahooadam: | well that fixes my problem, i can setup a script to repair my sql database and reschedule after |
| [19:59:46] | riddlebox: | Yahooadam, I believe on the myth site it tells you how to do a database repair |
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| [20:00:15] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [20:00:25] | Yahooadam: | ive done that, and it works fine, until mythfilldatabase runs again |
| [20:00:28] | Yahooadam: | and then it breaks it again |
| [20:00:39] | riddlebox: | wow, glad I dont have that problem lol |
| [20:00:56] | Yahooadam: | its been pissing me off |
| [20:01:04] | Yahooadam: | have to stay up till 3am to catch it when it breaks |
| [20:01:36] | riddlebox: | actually myth runs perfectly for me, with ubuntu feisty, and the proposed updates |
| [20:01:50] | Yahooadam: | im considering updating to proposed |
| [20:01:55] | Yahooadam: | but it would break my xbox frontend |
| [20:02:13] | riddlebox: | heck I dont even have a problem getting ivtv drivers installed and keeping them working after kernel updates anymore |
| [20:02:37] | Yahooadam: | hey riddlebox, dont know if u know, where does mythfilldatabase get called from ? |
| [20:02:47] | Yahooadam: | must be rc.d or somthing ? |
| [20:03:06] | riddlebox: | I think its setup as a cron job isnt it |
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| [20:03:24] | Yahooadam: | where do they get stored ? |
| [20:04:29] | riddlebox: | maybe its not a cron job |
| [20:05:12] | jonK: | hi. I just bought a new tv, and would like to upgrade some aspects of my mythtv setup -- |
| [20:05:23] | jonK: | anyone care to offer any suggestions? |
| [20:06:02] | Yahooadam: | if you ask some questions, im sure people can help |
| [20:07:24] | jonK: | well, put together current system a year or so ago and don't know what new stuff has come out since then |
| [20:07:55] | AndyCap: | Yahooadam: time to do a database dump and restore? |
| [20:08:13] | Yahooadam: | andycap, i dont know if that will help |
| [20:08:27] | Yahooadam: | i already dumped the program* tables |
| [20:08:43] | Yahooadam: | i mean truncated it, thats all mythfilldatabase should affect isnt it ? |
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| [20:09:08] | jonK: | and with the chnage to schedule direct — somehow everything got screwed up, so reinstalled to new hard drive (hope to resecue some files off of old hard drive) |
| [20:09:10] | Yahooadam: | riddlebox – it looks like mythfilldatabase is run by mythbackend, its not a cron job |
| [20:09:33] | Yahooadam: | jonK, if it aint broke dont fix it ;) |
| [20:09:39] | jonK: | one question though, on the backend system, in teh list of recorded programs, the gui is very very slow. it takes 2–3 seconds to move from one listed program to the next |
| [20:09:49] | Yahooadam: | how much ram ? |
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| [20:09:55] | jonK: | me? |
| [20:09:58] | Yahooadam: | yeah |
| [20:10:00] | jonK: | 2gb |
| [20:10:09] | Yahooadam: | weird ... |
| [20:10:17] | Yahooadam: | what proccesor ? |
| [20:10:24] | jonK: | athlon x2 3800 |
| [20:10:41] | Yahooadam: | no reason it should be slow really |
| [20:10:56] | jonK: | tried turning off the video preview, but that didn't speed up |
| [20:11:02] | Yahooadam: | do you have the preview enabled? (and even then it was fast for me with that enabled) |
| [20:11:08] | Yahooadam: | hmm |
| [20:11:10] | Yahooadam: | OpenGL ? |
| [20:11:12] | jonK: | tried switching to the openGL painter, could count the frames by frame fade |
| [20:11:38] | Yahooadam: | have you installed the drivers (im assuming you have an nvidia card) |
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| [20:11:50] | jonK: | using the "nv" driver on an fx5200 |
| [20:12:00] | Yahooadam: | i had to install the restricted drivers on ubuntu fiesty to get opengl to work well in mythtv |
| [20:12:04] | jonK: | also using pvr350 for tvout, but not X (at least currently) |
| [20:12:22] | jonK: | and using ubuntu fiesty |
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| [20:12:43] | Yahooadam: | try using the restricted drivers then |
| [20:13:06] | jonK: | the "nvidia" one |
| [20:13:08] | jonK: | ? |
| [20:13:38] | Yahooadam: | yeah |
| [20:13:53] | Yahooadam: | 3rd menu, administration |
| [20:14:02] | Yahooadam: | restricted drivers manager |
| [20:14:28] | hadees: | is there anywhere in settings where i can set "Adjust Fill" to always be full? |
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| [20:15:11] | jonK: | was just going to build it from the binary on the nvidia site |
| [20:15:18] | jonK: | i've been meaning to do that anyway -- |
| [20:15:39] | Yahooadam: | you can do, restricted drivers manager is just faster :p |
| [20:15:42] | Yahooadam: | and easier |
| [20:15:52] | jonK: | ok-- |
| [20:16:12] | jonK: | now this is all backend stuff, what can I dew with the new tv? |
| [20:16:12] | Yahooadam: | if you gaming or somthing, or have a very modern card, you should build from nvidia |
| [20:16:23] | jonK: | nope — fx5200 |
| [20:16:29] | Yahooadam: | same card i have lol :p |
| [20:16:31] | jonK: | the backend is dedicated server |
| [20:16:57] | jonK: | don't really use for anything but myth/http storage etc |
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| [20:17:20] | Yahooadam: | is there a way to pass a password to su ? |
| [20:17:31] | Yahooadam: | if i want to do su -c mythfilldatabase mythtv |
| [20:17:38] | fryfrog: | use sudo |
| [20:17:39] | hadees: | Yahooadam, sudo? |
| [20:17:47] | fryfrog: | and tell it it doesn't need a password |
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| [20:18:02] | Yahooadam: | i want to su mythtv though, not root |
| [20:18:04] | fryfrog: | mythtv ALL=NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart |
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| [20:18:08] | fryfrog: | Yahooadam: so? |
| [20:18:14] | fryfrog: | "sudo -u mythtv" |
| [20:18:14] | jonK: | so su mythtv |
| [20:18:23] | jonK: | "su mythtv" |
| [20:18:37] | fryfrog: | sudo is better, you can use the no pass thing |
| [20:18:59] | jonK: | no suggestions for upgrades? |
| [20:19:13] | Yahooadam: | if it works, why mess with it ? |
| [20:19:28] | jonK: | new tv |
| [20:19:32] | Yahooadam: | no real reason to upgrade when your still using standard def |
| [20:19:37] | jonK: | with hdtv goodness |
| [20:19:48] | Yahooadam: | 5200 is capable of driving a high definition resolution |
| [20:20:05] | jonK: | but all it has for ports is a serial and svideo |
| [20:20:12] | jonK: | won't I want something else? |
| [20:20:22] | jonK: | on the frontend (which is separate machine) |
| [20:20:23] | Yahooadam: | the tv doesnt have HDMI inputs ? |
| [20:20:33] | Yahooadam: | or DVI |
| [20:21:05] | jonK: | tv does |
| [20:21:12] | jonK: | has 3 HDMI |
| [20:21:17] | jonK: | card does not |
| [20:21:34] | Yahooadam: | fryfrog – sudo -u mythtv mythfilldatabase works, but it asks for a password |
| [20:21:35] | jonK: | have an old "icebox" small form factor PC running as a dedicated frontend |
| [20:21:43] | Yahooadam: | what would i put in the sudoers file to stop it ? |
| [20:21:46] | jonK: | well, I did, until the switch to schedules direct |
| [20:21:58] | jonK: | and hosed the frontend somehow |
| [20:21:59] | Yahooadam: | jonK – get a DVI to HDMI cable, enjoy |
| [20:22:08] | fryfrog: | Yahooadam: add a line to sudoers file |
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| [20:22:14] | fryfrog: | "sudo visudoers |
| [20:22:27] | jonK: | maybe I'm being less then clear, the card has an svideo out and a serial out |
| [20:22:29] | fryfrog: | mythtv ALL=NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart |
| [20:22:38] | fryfrog: | change that last part to "mythfilldatabase" |
| [20:22:52] | fryfrog: | well |
| [20:23:02] | fryfrog: | you might need the first field to be the user it'll run as |
| [20:23:09] | fryfrog: | the last part might need to be humm |
| [20:23:17] | fryfrog: | "sudo -u mythtv mythfilldatabase"? |
| [20:23:24] | fryfrog: | tinker around, it'll come to you |
| [20:23:43] | Yahooadam: | hmm |
| [20:23:51] | Yahooadam: | it still asked for the password |
| [20:24:01] | fryfrog: | then it isn't setup right yet |
| [20:24:07] | Yahooadam: | mythtv ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/mythfilldatabase |
| [20:24:18] | fryfrog: | if that is *exactly* what you type |
| [20:24:21] | Yahooadam: | maybe the user should be adam, as thats what im sudoing from |
| [20:24:27] | fryfrog: | if you just type "mythfilldatabase" then only put that, i think |
| [20:24:33] | fryfrog: | yeah, should proably be adam |
| [20:24:44] | Yahooadam: | i tried mythfilldatabase, gave a syntax error ;) |
| [20:24:56] | fryfrog: | k |
| [20:25:28] | jonK: | so, new card for the frontend, wtih DVI and DVI <> HDMI convertor. |
| [20:25:40] | Yahooadam: | Sorry, user adam is not allowed to execute '/usr/bin/mythfilldatabase' as mythtv on servername. |
| [20:25:47] | Yahooadam: | jonK – yes that will work fine |
| [20:25:55] | jonK: | what about recording HD on the backend? |
| [20:26:10] | fryfrog: | Yahooadam: google for "sudo" and poke around with the sudoers format |
| [20:26:51] | Yahooadam: | jonK- that is a different propesition |
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| [20:27:07] | jonK: | do tell |
| [20:27:11] | Yahooadam: | recording HD is easy, but playing it back is _very_ CPU intensive |
| [20:27:26] | Yahooadam: | you would need a very fast frontend if you wanted to play HD |
| [20:27:34] | Yahooadam: | atleast h.264 |
| [20:27:47] | jonK: | hmmm... so the ole pentium 2.2 (or 2.4) on teh frontend currently is probably not going to cut it |
| [20:27:54] | fryfrog: | probably not :( |
| [20:28:05] | fryfrog: | my p4 2.4ghz xeon was just barely too little |
| [20:28:12] | fryfrog: | my 3200+ amd64 does hd playback just fine |
| [20:28:30] | fryfrog: | and can just *barely* do x264 (i don't think i can ffwd, rwd, pause reliably though) |
| [20:28:36] | Yahooadam: | i cant play h.264 on my opty 185 (dual 2.6ghz) |
| [20:28:45] | jonK: | "x264" ? |
| [20:29:04] | fryfrog: | open source/free h264 |
| [20:29:15] | jonK: | and "h264" |
| [20:29:29] | fryfrog: | ways of compressing video |
| [20:29:48] | jonK: | and no hardware decompressor video cards yet? |
| [20:29:58] | fryfrog: | makes 9G HD videos smaller |
| [20:30:00] | fryfrog: | not in linux |
| [20:30:02] | fryfrog: | but windows, yes |
| [20:30:04] | jonK: | :( |
| [20:30:33] | xris: | Yahooadam: HD in the US is mpeg2, but it still requires some processing power |
| [20:30:36] | Yahooadam: | nvidia/ATI are far too lazy to make decoders for linux |
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| [20:31:00] | Yahooadam: | xris, im not sure on the specifics of HD broadcasting |
| [20:31:03] | jonK: | If I record an HD program, can it be downconverted? |
| [20:31:19] | fryfrog: | h264 and x264 are what you'd get from shows downloaded off the internets or from blu-ray/hd-dvd |
| [20:31:25] | jonK: | of course, then why bother recording the hd signal |
| [20:31:36] | jonK: | what about OTA shows? |
| [20:31:54] | xris: | jonK: yeah, myth can re-encode with mythtranscode, or nuvexport works |
| [20:32:12] | xris: | the main thing myth can't do with HD at the moment is lossless commercial cutting. |
| [20:32:32] | xris: | fryfrog: neither of which any MythTV users do (or should talk about) |
| [20:32:38] | Yahooadam: | tbh, for all the extra cost, i dont see the benifit of HD |
| [20:33:07] | jonK: | but if I don't have the horsepower for HD on the frontend, is there anypoint in purchasing, installing, configuring cards on the backend? |
| [20:33:20] | Yahooadam: | no point atall |
| [20:33:34] | jonK: | this makes us sad |
| [20:33:48] | Yahooadam: | plus you will waste your time reconverting programs back to standard def |
| [20:33:58] | jonK: | new shiny tv — still just watching analog cable |
| [20:34:19] | jonK: | but halo3 looks freaking amazing |
| [20:34:45] | jonK: | (which sadly, is what caused the purchase of said, new shiny tv) |
| [20:35:40] | jonK: | I actualy already have a pchd3000 card, thought I might get some use out of it |
| [20:35:41] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [20:35:57] | Yahooadam: | HDTV's are still far too expensive, atleast in britain |
| [20:36:21] | jonK: | bought a 52" lcd flat panel |
| [20:36:43] | jonK: | it's worth more than my car |
| [20:36:57] | jonK: | but less than my bicycle, so I still think I have my priorites straight |
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| [20:37:50] | Yahooadam: | i wonder how cost effective projectors are |
| [20:38:08] | ** Yahooadam dreams about a triple projector setup ** | |
| [20:38:19] | jonK: | bike > tv > car |
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| [20:38:43] | xris: | Yahooadam: depends on whether or not you need to buy a REALLY expensive screen because of light bleed in the room |
| [20:38:43] | Yahooadam: | computers > all |
| [20:38:43] | Yahooadam: | :p |
| [20:38:56] | Yahooadam: | true |
| [20:39:02] | xris: | jonK: my 27" SD CRT is almost worth more than my car... |
| [20:39:04] | Yahooadam: | could just board up the windows, would be alot cheaper :p |
| [20:39:58] | jonK: | I live 2 miles from my office, I just don't see spending a pile of money for the 14 minutes a day i spend driving |
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| [20:40:34] | xris: | jonK: smart lawyer. :) |
| [20:40:43] | Yahooadam: | did u hear about that guy who got nicked doing ~200MPH ? |
| [20:40:48] | Yahooadam: | in a porsche 911 |
| [20:41:03] | jonK: | speaking of which, why didn't you let me do the schedules direct stuff!? |
| [20:41:13] | Yahooadam: | ? |
| [20:41:59] | xris: | jonK: mofo.com |
| [20:42:02] | AndyCap: | Yahooadam: in a stolen/purloined porsche. |
| [20:42:26] | jonK: | on the tribune media side or SD side |
| [20:43:26] | xris: | SD |
| [20:43:39] | jonK: | nice. I've known a couple people at mofo |
| [20:44:03] | xris: | actually, sort of both, since mofo represents a baseball team that Tribune owns... but they got permission to represent us, assuming tribune never sues us. |
| [20:44:32] | xris: | I think that mofo came recommended via wendy seltzer and a few other EFF type folks |
| [20:44:33] | Yahooadam: | AndyCap – was it stolen ? |
| [20:44:43] | Yahooadam: | i thought it was just an accelerator happy driver :p |
| [20:45:34] | jonK: | It was a company car |
| [20:45:42] | jonK: | and he didn't have authorization to use at all IIRC |
| [20:45:49] | AndyCap: | his boss's car. |
| [20:46:01] | jonK: | but I think if he had not been doing that nonsense he would have returned and no one would have known |
| [20:46:01] | AndyCap: | and it was 200+ km/h not mp/h |
| [20:46:07] | AndyCap: | mph.. |
| [20:46:14] | jonK: | more of a joyriding then speeding , think it was 182 MPH |
| [20:46:37] | Yahooadam: | totally worth it :p |
| [20:46:50] | AndyCap: | Yahooadam: and he got fired |
| [20:47:03] | Cyrexion: | does anyone know what the default account is for accessing mythweb? |
| [20:47:03] | AndyCap: | http://motoring.reuters.co.uk/reuters/vocmain . . . &id=2401 |
| [20:47:09] | Yahooadam: | he lost his liscence and got 6 months in jail aswell i believe |
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| [20:47:27] | AndyCap: | criminally self indulgent? |
| [20:47:28] | Yahooadam: | cyrexion, there isnt any account by default ... |
| [20:47:45] | AndyCap: | that's describing my relationship to technology and chocolate. |
| [20:47:48] | pepperjack: | thatll be embarrasing when he has to explain to the other inmates he's in jail for speeding |
| [20:48:14] | jonK: | mofo hiring in San Diego -- |
| [20:48:25] | jonK: | maybe I should join them |
| [20:48:42] | Yahooadam: | it would be fine pepperjack, when he says he was doing nearly 200mph they would throw him a party :p |
| [20:48:58] | Yahooadam: | if i want to set a variable in bash |
| [20:49:05] | Yahooadam: | lets say the contents should be – "REPAIR TABLE `archiveitems` , `callsignnetworkmap`" |
| [20:49:25] | Yahooadam: | so variable = "REPAIR TABLE `archiveitems` , `callsignnetworkmap`" |
| [20:49:52] | Yahooadam: | but that gives me an error saying "archiveitems doesnt exist" "callsignneworkmap doesnt exist" |
| [20:50:12] | Yahooadam: | "archiveitems: command not found" even |
| [20:50:41] | pepperjack: | archiveitems is a script or something in a bin/?? |
| [20:51:25] | jonK: | too bad I can't do more with the new TV and Myth |
| [20:51:50] | Yahooadam: | pepperjack – i want that line to be stored in the variable |
| [20:52:04] | Yahooadam: | so $variable would return "REPAIR TABLE `archiveitems` , `callsignnetworkmap`" |
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| [20:53:26] | pepperjack: | Yahooadam: maybe i dont understand what youre trying to do but `` is equal to doing a $() so if you just want it to show up youd need to like \`archiveitems\` or something |
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| [20:56:10] | Yahooadam: | thanks pepperjack :) |
| [20:57:25] | xris: | Yahooadam: or don't bother with the backticks in sql, since you only really need them if there are weird characters in what you're trying to quote |
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| [20:57:39] | in8: | 2007-09–29 16:55:38.192 NVP::OpenFile(): Error, couldn't read file: myth://192.168.1.134:6543/ <--- what could be causing this error? the backend is working as I can use my laptop as a frontend but not my desktop frontend |
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| [21:01:07] | Yahooadam: | mysql mythconverg -u xxxx -pxxxx <`$sqlrepairsql` >repairlog |
| [21:01:20] | Yahooadam: | (with or without the `'s it fails) |
| [21:01:47] | Yahooadam: | how can i tell bash to "put the value of $sqlrepairsql into that, instead of trying to put the $sqlrepairsql in |
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| [21:15:16] | jonK: | for analog cable recordings, will I get any meaningful improvement in video qualtiy using HDMI over svideo? |
| [21:17:06] | kormoc: | jonK, only your own eyes can decide that |
| [21:17:35] | Yahooadam: | HDMI over svideo ? |
| [21:17:40] | Yahooadam: | since when was that an option ? |
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| [21:18:10] | jonK: | well, if I upgrade the video card, can go DVI --> HDMI |
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| [21:18:45] | jonK: | question, if I do go DVI --> HDMI what happens to the sound? |
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| [21:20:18] | AndyCap: | jonK: no sound from dvi |
| [21:21:00] | jonK: | good, becuase that I still want to run through the receiver in any event |
| [21:21:12] | AndyCap: | Oh, no problem then |
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| [21:21:36] | peengers: | any dvb-s adepts in here? |
| [21:22:23] | Yahooadam: | ask your question for a faster response ;) |
| [21:24:06] | peengers: | I just set up a gentoo box with mythtv-0.20.2 on it, and I'm a little confused about how transports play into things. |
| [21:26:03] | peengers: | When I point myth at a satellite to scan it, there are I think 4 basic ways you can get channels. YOu can import from a channel.conf file, you can scan channels individually, you can scan using all transports, or you can scan using an existing one. This is where my problems are. |
| [21:27:06] | peengers: | The "available transports" area is blank and when I try a blind scan using all available transports it complains that there aren't any there. |
| [21:27:27] | kormoc: | Yahooadam, by hdmi over svideo he means is hdmi better then svideo, not a hdmi signal over a svideo cable |
| [21:28:30] | peengers: | Where the heck does myth get its transports lists from? |
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| [21:31:55] | peengers: | does mythtv use scan files like dvbscan does when looking for channel information from a known satellite? |
| [21:32:49] | Cyrexion: | does anyone know how to edit the image for Bootsplash? |
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| [21:40:25] | peengers: | ok, so no dvb adepts here then |
| [21:40:26] | peengers: | gah |
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| [21:41:48] | Yahooadam: | somone may come on a read what you said |
| [21:42:05] | peengers: | yeah |
| [21:42:16] | peengers: | I've been fighting this for the last 2 days and it's driving me nuts |
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| [21:42:42] | Rommie: | peengers: Why not try #mythtv-users ? |
| [21:42:59] | Rommie: | peengers: Ok, nevermind, I thought I was in a different channel.... |
| [21:43:01] | peengers: | you mean like the channel that I'm in |
| [21:43:05] | peengers: | hahaha |
| [21:43:37] | Rommie: | For some reason, the bottom few lines of screen aren't updating properly, so it still says 4:#defocus even though I've changed to this window... |
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| [21:45:02] | peengers: | ah |
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| [22:22:04] | Yahooadam: | you know how you can insert a sql command into mysql by doing, mysql < file.sql |
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| [22:22:30] | Yahooadam: | how do u put an SQL command in using a bash variable, like, mysql < $variable |
| [22:24:16] | Rommie: | Yahooadam: Provided that $variable is structured the same as file.sql, it'll work the same.] |
| [22:25:13] | kormoc: | Yahooadam, you can also just do mysql -e "statement" |
| [22:27:23] | Yahooadam: | ./mythfilldatabasecronjob: line 12: $SQLREPAIRSQL: ambiguous redirect |
| [22:27:40] | Yahooadam: | mysql mythconverg -u xxxx -pxxx <$SQLREPAIRSQL >repairlog |
| [22:30:10] | Yahooadam: | did it with -e |
| [22:30:12] | Yahooadam: | and it worked |
| [22:33:54] | Yahooadam: | no it didnt, it just hid it from me :p |
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| [22:42:54] | Yahooadam: | ok sorted it finally :p |
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| [22:54:41] | yggdrasil: | hello, i just erased all my movies in my mythtvid0 dir, i was wondering is there a way to remove all the entried under recordings ? |
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| [22:59:06] | rooaus: | yggdrasil: Check out myth.find_orphans.pl from contrib |
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| [23:03:05] | erikh: | I just got a mythtv configured with a pvr-150 (ati 128MB w/ xv setup on the tv-out), and video is really jerky. anyone know what's wrong? |
| [23:03:18] | erikh: | "live tv" to be exact. |
| [23:03:29] | Yahooada1: | QT or opengl ? |
| [23:03:37] | Yahooada1: | did u manage to install the ATI drivers |
| [23:03:43] | erikh: | ATI commercial drivers |
| [23:03:48] | erikh: | w/ Xv enabled |
| [23:04:04] | erikh: | QT I assume... I did nothing to enable opengl |
| [23:04:28] | erikh: | it's an X1600 if that clarifies things |
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| [23:06:05] | kormoc: | erikh, fyi: http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.as . . . tionID=26907 |
| [23:06:37] | erikh: | oh.. wonderful. |
| [23:07:12] | erikh: | it's working though, it's just jerky. |
| [23:07:15] | erikh: | maybe i'll try opengl |
| [23:07:28] | Yahooada1: | how is mythtv a feature ? |
| [23:07:44] | erikh: | yeah I question that too. it's a configuration and ATI doesn't support it, best I can tell. |
| [23:07:48] | erikh: | which probably means they won't help with it. |
| [23:08:31] | Yahooada1: | ATI wont support it cos they couldnt make a driver if it slapped them round the face |
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| [23:23:34] | yggdrasil: | aight |
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| [23:24:58] | yggdrasil: | nice runnig um |
| [23:24:59] | yggdrasil: | fvwm |
| [23:25:44] | in8: | anyone ever have the problem where you can see the previews (displaying fine) in the recordings menu but cannot play them?? just kicks you back out to the menu I've tried googleing this for a week and reinstalled the whole system several times, PLEASE point me in the right diection. I have a working backend as I can view recordings from my laptop just not this frontend.... |
| [23:26:03] | kormoc: | in8, and the logs say? |
| [23:26:17] | in8: | VP::OpenFile(): Error, couldn't read file: myth://192.168.1.134:6543/ |
| [23:26:47] | kormoc: | in8, the ip correct? |
| [23:26:53] | in8: | seems to me there should be a file name following?? |
| [23:26:57] | in8: | yes indeed |
| [23:26:58] | kormoc: | typically, aye |
| [23:27:15] | kormoc: | might want to put up your full frontend logs |
| [23:28:28] | in8: | where does the frontend log to (I've only ever found the backend logs) |
| [23:28:51] | kormoc: | run it in a terminal window, it outputs to stdout/stderr |
| [23:29:05] | in8: | ok thats what I thought |
| [23:29:27] | in8: | gimme 2 min.... |
| [23:31:15] | in8: | http://pastebin.com/d24637815 |
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| [23:31:53] | kormoc: | 2007-09–29 19:29:49.777 GetRecordBasename found no entry |
| [23:31:56] | kormoc: | that's quite the problem |
| [23:32:26] | in8: | well its a starting pont now.... |
| [23:34:15] | in8: | well google is just as informitive on that issue as well.... |
| [23:34:25] | in8: | 4 page hits.... |
| [23:34:37] | in8: | 1 I already came accross |
| [23:34:40] | in8: | :) |
| [23:35:25] | in8: | you wouldn't happen to know what I screwed up do you?? |
| [23:35:28] | kormoc: | might need to run the backend with -v all and see what's going on |
| [23:35:57] | in8: | ok I'll paste it in 2 min |
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| [23:46:00] | in8: | well a 1 min log turned out to be 310 k in size |
| [23:46:08] | kormoc: | yup |
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| [23:46:20] | kormoc: | would need the chunk around when it started to record |
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| [23:49:13] | in82: | http://pastebin.com/d53c4acc8 |
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| [23:50:59] | in8: | recording is not the problem.... watching them is... |
| [23:51:09] | in8: | just on this machine |
| [23:51:22] | jtheuer: | hi, I just installed mythtv and wanted to watch tv using my analog card. I set up the channels and so on, everything fine. But when I want to start watching, myth tells me that all available cards are in use and I should check my schedules... any ideas? |
| [23:51:39] | in8: | like I said my laptop is just fine... |
| [23:52:06] | kormoc: | in8, so do a frontend log of -v all |
| [23:52:28] | kormoc: | jtheuer, did you setup recording schedules? |
| [23:52:43] | jtheuer: | no, never ever |
| [23:52:47] | Dave123: | jtheuer, |
| [23:52:58] | Dave123: | you could be recording something when you try to watch |
| [23:53:10] | jtheuer: | hm? |
| [23:53:28] | jtheuer: | so how to avoid this? ;-) |
| [23:53:39] | kormoc: | jtheuer, in he fronend look at the tuner status under the sys info section |
| [23:53:53] | kormoc: | Dave123, if he has no recording schedules, it shouldn't be recording |
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