Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, September 21st, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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penney:

so not good...

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J-e-f-f-A:

penney: Did you start the backend up after getting out of mythtv-setup?

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|Torg|:

penney: go check yur mysql.txt file, see if you can do it command line, and check your mysql server

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penney:

just typing mythbackend will do that right?

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Aval0n:

penney: from prompt do sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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penney:

Backend is already started

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Aval0n:

penney: from prompt do sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop

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Aval0n:

then start

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Aval0n:

and if that doesn't work you've got your ip wrong in general setup

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penney:

I just have it pointing at 127.0.0.1

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penney:

do I need to use something else?

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penney:

unfortunately I'm not statically routed...

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Aval0n:

that should be fine

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penney:

kk

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J-e-f-f-A:

penney: If you're doing a combined frontend/backend in the same machine, it's ok.

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Aval0n:

right...

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penney:

still isn't working

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J-e-f-f-A:

penney: look at |Torg|'s comment above ^^^

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Aval0n:

dunno man weird

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penney:

I'm gonna need that spelled out a little...

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Aval0n:

0_o

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penney:

:(

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penney:

what does he mean check mysql server?

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Aval0n:

penneydid you follow any guides?

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penney:

the mysql.txt looks good

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Aval0n:

ubuntuguide.com has a nice one

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J-e-f-f-A:

penney: check that you've setup your logon and pw for mysql in your mysql.txt file.

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|Torg|:

penny can you connect to mysql command line?

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Aval0n:

penney: mysql -u mythtv -p

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lsemple:

|Torg| I did upgrade 1 week ago (dist-upgrade) for kanotix

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Aval0n:

use the pass listed in your mysql.txt

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lsemple:

why would my xorg be old ???

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|Torg|:

lsemple: your still using sxfree86

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J-e-f-f-A:

penney: then verify you can connect like |Torg| suggests — via: mysql -umythtv -pyourpass mythconverg (replace 'yourpass' with your mysql password for mythtv)

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lsemple:

ok so what is the command that will upgrade that

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|Torg|:

that or your using an xfree86 generated config file for xorg

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Aval0n:

J-e-f-f-A: I don't think adding mythconverg will work for him

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Aval0n:

I doubt very much he has setup database specific users

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penney:

looks like its connecting fine

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lsemple:

some of it might have been, as I had to get some of it generated to get my nvidia tv out to work

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Aval0n:

penney did you use my line or J-E-f-f-a's?

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lsemple:

but I only inserted a small amount of code

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lsemple:

hmm

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lsemple:

how can I test the version ?

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penney:

both seem to be working

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Aval0n:

well awesome

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Aval0n:

you get a mysql prompt correct?

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penney:

yup

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J-e-f-f-A:

penney: just for giggles... do a show tables; — should list all the tables for myth...

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Aval0n:

nice

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|Torg|:

lsemple: of X? youll have to exit it, then run v -verbose with at least 3, id suggest 5. Direct stdout plus stderr to a log file and then look at the log file

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|Torg|:

that or stop X and simply type X -version

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penney:

74 rows

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penney:

so yup...

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J-e-f-f-A:

penney: Good... mysql looks good... now to figure out what's up with mythfrontend...

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penney:

kk

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J-e-f-f-A:

penney: Where's your mysql.txt file? (what directory)

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lsemple:

X version 11, revision 0, release 7.1.1

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penney:

/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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J-e-f-f-A:

penney: Is /etc/mythtv the home directory for mythtv?

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lsemple:

|Torg| is that the correct version

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penney:

I believe so....

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|Torg|:

yes

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J-e-f-f-A:

penney: I think you may have to move it to ~mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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|Torg|:

unles you want 7.2

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lsemple:

how do you send someone a direct message in IRC ?

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|Torg|:

your xorg.conf needs updating tho

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penney:

mmm maybe not...

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|Torg|:

use nvidia-settings to help you

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penney:

actually there isn't much of anything in there

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penney:

it should be wherever synaptics auto-installs it... I don't know how much content you expect in the mythtv directory

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J-e-f-f-A:

penney: Well, I think myth expects it in that directory...

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|Torg|:

J-e-f-f-A: it depends on who packaged it

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|Torg|:

some look in /etc/mythtv wile others look in /.mythtv and some in /~/.mythtv

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lsemple:

|Torg|: what am I looking for in the nvidia-settings ?

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penney:

well ok so there is another mysql.txt in that folder as well

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penney:

and it looks good... more content though

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|Torg|:

lsemple: first off does it see your two monitors and second does glx show its working

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J-e-f-f-A:

penney: I'm about 99% sure myth is using that one. Fix the id & password in that one and try it again...

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|Torg|:

penny what is the hostname of your frontend?

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lsemple:

yes it shows my two screens

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lsemple:

for glx,

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lsemple:

it says

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lsemple:

Direct Rendering: NO

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Kazan:

quick.. i had a tuner failure.. i fixed the problem.. but now i need to force it to start recording the show it failed to record because of the failure.... help

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|Torg|:

fix that

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lsemple:

but everything else looks ok

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lsemple:

glx direct rendering should be yes ?

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|Torg|:

it bettter if you want to display xv and such

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** Kazan screams at mythtv START THE RECORDING **

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J-e-f-f-A:

Kazan: If you've got mythweb setup, just go into it, recorded programs, and click on "Delete & Re-Record"

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penney:

|Torg|: TV-Video

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Kazan:

J-e-f-f-A: it didn't start the recording

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penney:

creatively enough

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Kazan:

it failed to set the tuner to start

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Kazan:

IE no entry in mythweb

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penney:

the Usernames and passwords in both files look right

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Kazan:

i've tried setting it to override record

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Kazan:

nothing

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|Torg|:

penney: yoour backend is called TV-VIDEO in all caps?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Kazan: I use Firefox or Safari (beta3 on pc)... both work well with mythweb. ie works sometimes

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lsemple:

|Torg| in my xorg.conf I noticed that under section "Device" there is no "endsection" before the next "section" ? should I add one there

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lsemple:

?

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penney:

only real difference between them is that one says DBHostaName=localhost the other says 127.0.0.1

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penney:

|Torg|: Um ... no that's my hostna,e

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Kazan:

J-e-f-f-A: mythweb has toshow the file

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penney:

hostname*

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Kazan:

the file doens't exist because initing the tuner failed

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|Torg|:

yes lsemple in fact running your X, plain with that -verbose will tell you of all the errors, its somewhat forgivving too

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** Kazan just wnt to live source straight in the TV **

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J-e-f-f-A:

Kazan: On my system it shows up as a blank pic, with "B" for the file size...

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|Torg|:

penny what is the hostname of the frontend box specifcly

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lsemple:

everything works fine though

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lsemple:

but I noticed that there is an "endsection" missing in my xorg.conf

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|Torg|:

lsemple: its not, trust me. just becase it shows you a picture does not mean its working

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penney:

|Torg|: The entire thing is running on one box, frontend and backend the hostname of the box is tv-video no caps

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|Torg|:

do that mysql connect again

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ARfdee:

2007-09–20 18:57:50.048 MythSocket(9511c08:20): readStringList: Error, timeout (quick). 2007-09–20 18:57:50.048 RemoteEncoder::SendReceiveStringList(): No response. 2007-09–20 18:57:50.051 GetEntryAt(-1) failed. 2007-09–20 18:57:50.052 EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 18:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo

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ARfdee:

???????

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lsemple:

ok so put an "Endsection" there ????

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Kazan:

J-e-f-f-A: you running trunk or .20.2?

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** Kazan is in trunk **

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J-e-f-f-A:

penney: I think mysql stores it in text format, so '127.0.0.1' <> "localhost" ...

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** Kazan thinks trunk has a problem with not wanting to start recordings marked to record when they're already in-progress **

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|Torg|:

in it type "select * from settings where value="BackendServerIP" and hostname="tv-video";"

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|Torg|:

of course omit the fist and last quote I put there

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J-e-f-f-A:

Kazan: I'm in SVN... was at 13655... as of yesterday I'm on 14477 (frontend segfaulted for me on newer versions)

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penney:

|Torg|: Connected

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Kazan:

J-e-f-f-A: trunk or fixes?

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lsemple:

how do I reset the xorg

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lsemple:

without resetting the computer ?????

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lsemple:

I just made a change to xorg.conf

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J-e-f-f-A:

Kazan: Trunk... 14510 I think was what I tried... didn't know there was a 'fixes' for svn trunk... (me still kinda a n00b at the svn side of the world...)

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|Torg|:

restart your disply manger, you said kde, so id guess its kdm

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Kazan:

fixes = .20-fixes

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penney:

|Torg|: empty set

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J-e-f-f-A:

Kazan: Ok, so in that case I'm running the 'beta' of 0.21 ... ;-)

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|Torg|:

ok penny try the same thing drop the hostname from teh query

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|Torg|:

select * from settings where value="BackendServerIP";

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penney:

empty set...

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soweto76:

Recently unable to record two channels at once. Don't know where to begin to look for the source of the problem. One recording is fine the other is a messed up recording of the correct program.

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|Torg|:

penny have you setup anyting on that?

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penney:

I ran mythtv-setup

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penney:

I remember I used some tutorial...

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penney:

I didn't seem anything about having to tweak SQL stuff...

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|Torg|:

you dont have to tweek it

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penney:

ok

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|Torg|:

but watever you did int eh setup you either dindt finsih it, neglects to set it up completly or did somehting lese to make it not work

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|Torg|:

that query implitly looks for the setting of where the backend server is

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|Torg|:

without it nothing can connect to the backend

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penney:

ok

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penney:

what do I need to do?

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|Torg|:

run mythtv-setup again

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J-e-f-f-A:

penney: Perhaps you ran mythtv-setup when your mysql.txt file was still wrong?

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penney:

J-e-f-f-A: I haven't tweaked the txt file. Everything in there looks good

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J-e-f-f-A:

penney: I guess then try mythtv-setup again, and check if it worked this time with the commands that |Torg| just gave you.,..

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|Torg|:

penny regardless of if you tweeked it or not, if someone came in behind you, or it was comptuer gnomes, run mythtv-setup again

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penney:

kk... brb

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lsemple:

hmm

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Aval0n:

0\=0

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Aval0n:

0\=

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Aval0n:

[

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beata:

hmm my frontend just locked up yay

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Aval0n:

\\

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Aval0n:

\\

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|Torg|:

anyone have a ttable alsa setup for 2c to fake 5.1?

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Yahooada1:

on the command promt

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Yahooada1:

if i do command > somthing

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Yahooada1:

it will put the output from command in the file somthing

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|Torg|:

output from stdout only

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Yahooada1:

how can i get it to show on the command line and put it into a file ?

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|Torg|:

2>&1

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lsemple:

how do I get GLX direct rendering to work

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lsemple:

?

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|Torg|:

somecommand > /tmp/logfile 2>&1

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lsemple:

in nvidia-settings ?

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Yahooada1:

ty :)

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lsemple:

|Torg| are you sure that is the problem ???

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Yahooada1:

hmm

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Yahooada1:

or not :o

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|Torg|:

no lsemple by fixixing the driver

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lsemple:

because I can run any other x app,

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Yahooada1:

its not outputting to my command line (im SSHed)

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|Torg|:

and no im not 100% it is the ONLY problem you have

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lsemple:

but that is a problem ?

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|Torg|:

Yahooada1: what are you trying to do?

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|Torg|:

lsemple: yes and a big one

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lsemple:

ok

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lsemple:

will try to fix

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|Torg|:

lsemple: it usually indicated your drigver is misinstalled

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Yahooada1:

|torg| i want to record the output to a file, but also watch the output at the same time

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|Torg|:

somecommand > /tmp/logfile 2>&1 & ; tail -f /tmp/logfile

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|Torg|:

that or use tee

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Yahooada1:

sh: Syntax error: ";" unexpected

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Yahooada1:

did u mean |

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|Torg|:

no semi colon

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|Torg|:

;

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|Torg|:

or put it on two seperate command lines

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penney:

OK

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penney:

so I seem to be getting TV but I have no listins

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penney:

listings*

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|Torg|:

penny go run mythfilldatabase and make sure you setup a listing soruce

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penney:

ok...

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penney:

its still not seeing anything I think I may not have setup the source correctly...

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penney:

:(

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penney:

I'm really sorry I'm not usually such a n00b but I seem to be having a little difficulty...

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|Torg|:

its why this channel is here

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|Torg|:

at least in theory :)

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penney:

lol

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Yahooada1:

penney, US ? Schedules Direct ?

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penney:

"North America (DataDirect)

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|Torg|:

what version of myth do you have?

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Yahooada1:

i dont know anything about US listings, but i think schedules direct is the only game in town

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Yahooada1:

i will let |torg| help u cos he does know about US :p

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|Torg|:

that or EIT

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penney:

the only part of myth I can get to return a version is mythbackend and it says 0.20.2**** and then a long string of numbers

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Yahooada1:

u need to copy the whole line

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penney:

0.20.20060828–3

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|Torg|:

there should be a North America(schedulesidrect) one

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|Torg|:

ouch

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|Torg|:

penny what os do you run?

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penney:

Ubuntu

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penney:

I'm not seeing a SchedulesDirect one

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Yahooada1:

6.06 ?

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penney:

7.04

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|Torg|:

shutodwn mythbackend

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|Torg|:

apt-get update mythtbackend

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|Torg|:

apt-get update mythfrontend

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Yahooada1:

(sudo apt-get)

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|Torg|:

I *think* you can do both with apt-get update mythtv

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Yahooada1:

hmm

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Yahooada1:

dont think that will work torg

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|Torg|:

Yahooada1: yea I forget not eveyone dosnt use training wheels anymore :P

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Yahooada1:

2 secs

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penney:

update takes no args

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Yahooada1:

thats what i though

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Yahooada1:

sudo apt-get upgrade mythbackend

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|Torg|:

er yes upgrade

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Yahooada1:

:p

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Yahooada1:

penny

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Yahooada1:

do sudo apt-get update

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Yahooada1:

first

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|Torg|:

common, nobody used ttables?

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Yahooada1:

and then u should do (imo) sudo apt-get upgrade

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penney:

k

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|Torg|:

adn then go get somehting to eat

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Yahooada1:

yeah :p

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penney:

then do mythfrontend

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Yahooada1:

probably a 150mb download

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Yahooada1:

no penney

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penney:

kk

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Yahooada1:

upgrade with no args upgrades all software

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penney:

ok it ran...

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penney:

found nothing

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Yahooada1:

did u run sudo apt-get update first ?

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penney:

yup

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Yahooada1:

can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list

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|Torg|:

you dont need to do each pice, just update mythtv

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|Torg|:

at least its that way in kubu

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Yahooada1:

it didnt find any software on his whole OS |torg|

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Yahooada1:

to upgrade

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penney:

I let the auto-update run periodically

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Yahooada1:

im guessing he doesnt have universe enabled

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|Torg|:

apt-cache search mythtv

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penney:

and this install is only a few weeks old

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penney:

I have restricted, universe, everything enabled

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Yahooada1:

somthing is very wrong

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|Torg|:

I believe universe and mutiverse is enabled by default

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|Torg|:

whats his sourcs.list say?

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Yahooada1:

not for me ...

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Yahooada1:

i installed ubuntu the other day and universe/multiverse were disabled

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Yahooada1:

"Error in 109993:4: error occurred while parsing element"

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|Torg|:

oops holdon Yahooada1 I jsut chekd by Fe box not my desktop

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Yahooada1:

ARG i hate you mythfilldatabase

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|Torg|:

yes, on 7.04 kubu universe and multiverse is default enabled

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penney:

arg how do I install pastebin apt-get can't find it

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beata:

hmmm matching digital channels is quite challenging

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Yahooada1:

cat /etc/apt/sources.list

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|Torg|:

cut and paste

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|Torg|:

http://www.pastebin.ca

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|Torg|:

above the top box is link to upload a file, upload that file and post it

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|Torg|:

then paste the link here

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penney:

www.pastebin.ca/705330

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|Torg|:

apt-get update

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|Torg|:

apt-get install mythtv

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penney:

mythtv is already the newest version.

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Yahooada1:

SIGH

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Yahooada1:

universe and multiverse ARE NOT ENABLED

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Yahooada1:

take the # off the front

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Yahooada1:

sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list

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Yahooada1:

# deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty-backports main restricted universe multiverse

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Yahooada1:

change it to

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Yahooada1:

deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty-backports main restricted universe multiverse

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Yahooada1:

and the same for the line below

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Yahooada1:

:wq to write and quit

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Yahooada1:

then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade

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penney:

ah... well then the synaptics package manager lies...

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penney:

I try to use the UI as much as possible...

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Yahooada1:

it probably has a square in the box

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|Torg|:

the only program your desktop needs is xterm :P

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Yahooada1:

u have to check it again until its a tick

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penney:

I c

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penney:

kk done

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Yahooada1:

did u sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade ?

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penney:

yup

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Yahooada1:

downloading like 150MB of data ?

[01:10:33]

penney:

I suppose thats possible I do have fios

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penney:

its done

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|Torg|:

the repositries seldom give me more then 3 or 4Mbs

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penney:

i run sudo apt-get upgrade and it says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded

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Yahooada1:

no way

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penney:

it did get quite a bit

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|Torg|:

was mythtv amongst them?

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penney:

the first time around

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penney:

no

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penney:

gnupg and hal are held back...

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|Torg|:

apt-get install mythtv

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penney:

mythtv is already the newest version

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Yahooada1:

somthing is very wrong

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Yahooada1:

if you cat /etc/apt/sources.list

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|Torg|:

hell apt0get build-deps mythtv and compile it yourslef

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Yahooada1:

are the #'s before gone ?

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penney:

yes

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Yahooada1:

before the universe and multiverse lines ?

[01:13:29]

penney:

before the one line you wanted opened up...

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Yahooada1:

both lines

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penney:

deb-src is still comented...

[01:13:35]

Yahooada1:

there are 2

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Yahooada1:

uncomment it

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penney:

you want that one done too?

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Yahooada1:

yeah i did say "and the line below"

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Yahooada1:

sorry ;)

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Yahooada1:

maybe it wasnt that clear

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris, you around?

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|Torg|:

sudo apt-cache showpkg mythtv-common

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|Torg|:

what does it say under Versions?

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: barely

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Yahooada1:

if its right i except he will have to update atleast 100MB of packages

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Has mythweb been updated to protocol 35 yet?

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penney:

0.20-SVN20070122–0.0ubuntu6

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Yahooada1:

thats better

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Yahooada1:

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade

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Yahooada1:

and you should download a load of updates

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|Torg|:

and it hsould be from mutiverse not backports, but oh well :P

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penney:

0 upgraded...

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|Torg|:

0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu6 (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty_multiverse_binary- i386_Packages)

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penney:

yeah

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Mixx:

hmm isn't there a more recent one?

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Yahooada1:

how can there be 0 upgraded

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Yahooada1:

mythbackend --version

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|Torg|:

sudo dpkg -l mythtv

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|Torg|:

what does that say?

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: You probably didn't have time yet... I updated myth and mythweb is 34 and backend is 35...

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penney:

0.20.20060828–3

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|Torg|:

remove it, then reinstall

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Mixx:

penney in Ubuntu you need to enable something else

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|Torg|:

while your at it clean our your apt cache too

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Mixx:

penney hold please

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Yahooada1:

mixx, he has supposidly enabled multiverse and universe

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Yahooada1:

that is fine to get 0.20.2 in ubuntu

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|Torg|:

if hes getting the proper version from a showpkg it shoudl download it

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|Torg|:

unelss something scred up his apt cache and it thinks his is newer

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Mixx:

Yahooada1 not for me it wasn't

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Mixx:

penney in Synaptic Package Manager go to Settings – Repositories and enable Feisty-proposed

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** J-e-f-f-A xris must be upset with me... :-( Sorry... **

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Mixx:

Yahooada1 I had to do this to get SD to show up

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Yahooada1:

looks like ure right mixx lol

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Yahooada1:

my version of mythtv is actually a bit out of date

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Mixx:

this will get you to 20070820

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Yahooada1:

the ubuntu guys really need to update their shit

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Mixx:

Yahooada1 it's proposed for the next release which is 10/13

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Yahooada1:

oh

[01:23:47]

Yahooada1:

hmm

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Yahooada1:

lame

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Yahooada1:

xmltv is also horribly out of date

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Yahooada1:

horribly horribly out of date

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Mixx:

bah you blew it

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Mixx:

you were increasing your first word by one character. I was going to let you run with it

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Mixx:

;)

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: just too much stuff going on now... I'll be around later. heading home now.

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** Yahooada1 is lost **

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Mixx:

oh

[01:25:05]

Mixx:

hmm

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Mixx:

lame

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Mixx:

xmltv

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Mixx:

horrib ly horribly out of date

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Yahooada1:

oh

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Yahooada1:

i see :)

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penney:

ok

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penney:

that looks like it'll take awhile

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Mixx:

penney did you enable what i said?

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penney:

yup

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Mixx:

and it showed mythtv as upgradable?

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penney:

it looks like a long list of mythtv stuff too...

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penney:

yeah mythweb... mythfrontend ... a lot..

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penney:

I just let it go

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Mixx:

cool

[01:27:13]

Yahooada1:

i found out why mythfilldatabase was corrupting my database

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penney:

alrighty, well I'm going to go have a nicotine fix... then i'll brb...

[01:27:52]

penney:

says 12 min remaining

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Mixx:

wow look at me helping. i feel so l33t

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Mixx:

=D

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Yahooada1:

lol

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Yahooada1:

:)

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Yahooada1:

ubuntu repositories are so gay

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Yahooada1:

:p

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Yahooada1:

i didnt realise that proposed goes into the next build

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Mixx:

ubuntu is fantastic for learning linux

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Yahooada1:

i thought it meant it was proposed to go into the main reps

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Mixx:

i'm not sure it's restricted to that, but it's possible

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Slyboots:

Hey, PErhaps someone can answer this, cause its bugging the hell otu of me

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Slyboots:

You know on the OSD where you get the Program Synopsis

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Yahooada1:

think so

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Slyboots:

well, 90% of the time it scrolls *off* screen, so how do you.. Page-down

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Yahooada1:

good question :p

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Slyboots:

Is that to suggest that.. YOu cant??

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Yahooada1:

its a, i dont know, but im interested in the answer :p

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Slyboots:

:D

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Slyboots:

Answers on a post-card

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Yahooada1:

right

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Yahooada1:

lets see if mythfilldatabase works

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Yahooada1:

had about 20 channels where the URL had changed from the old version

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Yahooada1:

and mythfilldatabase throws a wobbly

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tgm4883_laptop:

I have a Tuner with All my HD channels and a Tuner with just my local HD channels. Is the scheduler smart enough to figure out that if a show is on both tuners that is should use the one with that only does the local channels or should I set that one with a higher priority

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Yahooada1:

i think the second option

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Yahooada1:

set your tuner with all channels to a -1 rating

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tgm4883_laptop:

ok

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tgm4883_laptop:

will that effect my pvr-150 at all? It has no overlapping channels with any tuner

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penney:

alrighty I'm running mythfilldatabase and its taking forever1

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penney:

yay!

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Yahooada1:

none tgm

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Yahooada1:

if the same HD program is on both tuners, then it will record on the one with the higher priority

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tgm4883_laptop:

sweet, i'll change it up. Thanks Yahooada1

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Yahooada1:

i did it aswell :)

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Yahooada1:

i have freeview on 2 tuners, and then sky on another

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Yahooada1:

i set sky to -1 so that it will record on freeview if possible

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penney:

alright everyone!

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penney:

one last question!

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penney:

pressing stop on my remote doesn't stop mpg files

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penney:

and channel up and down doesn't change channels

[01:48:23]

penney:

do I need to tweak mplayer settings for that?

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J-e-f-f-A:

penney: Does it work for mythtv?

[01:48:30]

penney:

no it does not

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J-e-f-f-A:

penney: So it sounds like the stop button isn't mapped properly in the lirc config file...

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penney:

thats what I thought... what does mythtv use default for mpgs?

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penney:

isn't it mplayer?

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penney:

because AVI's work fine

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J-e-f-f-A:

penney: iirc, you can test it by doing 'irw' — press some buttons on your remote, and the button name should be displayed.

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J-e-f-f-A:

penney: depending on which version of myth, it's probably using the internal player for mpegs.

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Yahooada1:

you may need to change your lircrc file to add support for other buttons

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tgm4883_laptop:

exit

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tgm4883_laptop:

heh

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lsemple:

how do I make the command "/etc/init.d/mysql start" start up automatically when computer boots ?

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|Torg|:

add it to the rc scripts

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lsemple:

ok thanks

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Yahooada1:

i think u can just do mysqld -d

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lsemple:

anything with .rc ?

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|Torg|:

update-rc.d mysql defaults

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|Torg|:

assuming you installed it from repo

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Yahooada1:

sigh

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Yahooada1:

my programs database is so horribly out of date

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lsemple:

ok

[01:59:41]

lsemple:

I got mythtv-setup going finally !

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lsemple:

but,

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lsemple:

the menu items are in a different language than English

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lsemple:

?

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lsemple:

how do I change the language to english ?

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|Torg|:

its in the genreal tab of mythtv-setup

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Yahooada1:

or u can go into the table "settings"

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Yahooada1:

and change or add the key "Language" to "EN"

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lsemple:

where are the table settings ?

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lsemple:

I cant read anything in mythtv-setup, its all russian or something

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lsemple:

dialect

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Yahooada1:

thats what i though

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Yahooada1:

goto phpmyadmin

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Yahooada1:

login, dropdown on the left, mythconverg

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|Torg|:

he has that installed?

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Yahooada1:

yes he installed it earlier

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|Torg|:

its MUCH easier to that my command line, but go on :)

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Yahooada1:

then when you do that the list of tables will show up, click settings

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lsemple:

damn

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Yahooada1:

click browse, then find the key

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lsemple:

the server is not running

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Yahooada1:

or let torg write u an SQL server

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Yahooada1:

statement #

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lsemple:

apache server

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Yahooada1:

lol

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Yahooada1:

./etc/init.d/apache start

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lsemple:

ok

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lsemple:

got it

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|Torg|:

what was it set to?

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cal:

I can hear the audio, but the volume controls .. [ and ] do not adjust it.. where do i look for this?

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lsemple:

hold up

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lsemple:

Im lost in phpmyadmin

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|Torg|:

lsemple: type mysql mythconverg -p -u mythtv

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|Torg|:

then put in the password

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|Torg|:

in it type

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|Torg|:

select * from settings where value="Language";

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|Torg|:

the capitol L and ; is important

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|Torg|:

tell me what it says

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Sephen:

After upgrading to 0.20.2 from 0.18, I can no longer skip ahead in time when watching a show that is currently being recorded... Is this by design, or is something wrong with my install?

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|Torg|:

Sephen: time machine software has not been invented yet, hence you can not step into the future on live recordings

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Sephen:

Torg: If the show has recorded 20 minutes of 1 hour, I have to start at the beginning, and cannot skip upto 20 minutes.

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|Torg|:

when its stated that mythtv is time shifting sofware I dont think they meant into the future

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lsemple:

ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'then capitol L and' at line 2

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lsemple:

thats what I got when I typed those two lines |Torg|

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|Torg|:

two lines?

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|Torg|:

select * from settings where value="Language";

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lsemple:

ahh

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|Torg|:

just one

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lsemple:

oops

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Yahooada1:

lol

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jedix:

how do i make the guide start on the channel I am at?

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lsemple:

well when I typed that it said nothing

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|Torg|:

heel its hard enogh for me to type words corretcly, I would know if I typed more then one sql statment :P

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jedix:

it always starts at the lowest channel

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|Torg|:

lsemple: nothing?

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lsemple:

no not "nothing"

[02:12:32]

cal:

well that was fun... my shows didnt record because as of last night i had no channel data :(

[02:12:33]

lsemple:

it was blank

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lsemple:

did nothing

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|Torg|:

did it say Empty set?

[02:13:34]

lsemple:

no

[02:13:52]

|Torg|:

does the prompt look like "mysql>"?

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Yahooada1:

wtf

[02:14:07]

Yahooada1:

backend craszored

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|Torg|:

Yahooada1: quite screwing with it :P

[02:14:26]

CBiLL:

I am aware that MythTV does decode and overlay(watermark on video) caption (teletext) but I am wondering if there a setting to preserve the watermark text into mpeg file?

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|Torg|:

mpeg has no provision to do that other then to hardcode it into video frames

[02:15:04]

lsemple:

just ->

[02:15:19]

Yahooada1:

its running mythfilldatabase, and i was watching tv

[02:15:22]

Yahooada1:

and bam, crashed

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lsemple:

Yahooada1: I found the browse button

[02:15:29]

Yahooada1:

the computers running fine :)

[02:15:31]

CBiLL:

can a plugin be made to hardcode the text into the video frame?

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|Torg|:

lsemple: when you loggind in, what version did it tell you mysql was?

[02:15:43]

lsemple:

which one is the key, "language"?

[02:15:57]

|Torg|:

keys are value and hostname specific

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Yahooada1:

yes lsemple

[02:16:02]

|Torg|:

yes Language

[02:16:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

|Torg|: (did he just leave off the ";" to end the command?)

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lsemple:

Server version: 5.0.32-Debian_7etch1-log Debian etch distribution

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CBiLL:

I am willing to donate nicely for such plugin 8-)

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|Torg|:

maybe J-e-f-f-A, afterall I did say it was important :P

[02:16:37]

cal:

why does adjusting the sound work from aumix but not from the mythtv volume controls?

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lsemple:

Yahooada1, ok I select "Language", then what ?

[02:17:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

cal: You need to setup the right mixer control in myth.

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|Torg|:

what does it say?

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lsemple:

export?

[02:17:23]

|Torg|:

you can copy and paste the one line here

[02:17:26]

|Torg|:

just one please

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Yahooada1:

whats the current value lsemple ?

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kslater:

|Torg| – remember a while back I mentioned almost having an EPIA SP 13000 playing back HD content? It's closer than ever and the wiki seems to indicate that others have 720p working.

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cal:

jeffa: where is that done at? dont see it anywhere in the setup menu

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lsemple:

|Torg| Server version: 5.0.32-Debian_7etch1-log Debian etch distribution

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|Torg|:

cool kslater, im looking for 1080I tho, sounds promising

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Yahooada1:

Language EN Hostname

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kslater:

yea, me too.

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Yahooada1:

thats what you want lsemple

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|Torg|:

doe sit still say ->?

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kslater:

one step at a time though

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J-e-f-f-A:

kslater: I had 720p working on a PIII 1Ghz, so I can believe it. (using nvidia xvmc)

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Sephen:

After upgrading to 0.20.2 from 0.18, I can no longer skip ahead in time when watching a show that is currently being recorded... Is this by design, or is something wrong with my install?

[02:19:34]

kslater:

latter Sephen

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kslater:

I jump ahead and ff all the time

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|Torg|:

as do I

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lsemple:

Yahooada1: ok changed it from RU to EN

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beata:

meto++

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lsemple:

hit go

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J-e-f-f-A:

Sephen: There's a command to fix the jump table... I don't recall what it is now...

[02:20:18]

lsemple:

now can I just close that ?

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Sephen:

I'm lost on what is broken. That works fine with recorded shows, just not ones being recorded.

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lsemple:

do I have to restart anything ??

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|Torg|:

yes lsemple and restart mythtv-setup

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|Torg|:

if you have mythfrontend running you have to restart it too, unless you want you menus in cyrillic

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|Torg|:

settings are only read on startup

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J-e-f-f-A:

Sephen: I'd run a check on your sql tables... Maybe the seek table is damaged, and new programs aren't updating it. (looking for a page w/the commands...)

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lsemple:

cool thank you very much

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Sephen:

J-e-f-f-A I thought the jump table was only used for recorded shows, is it populated during recording? If I wait for the show to finish recording, it works fine.

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|Torg|:

Sephen: if you do what J-e-f-f-A said, stop mythbackend, stop mysql and myismchk them one by one

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lsemple:

is there anything I need to know to get a Hauppauge wintv-pvr 150 working with ntsc ???

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|Torg|:

screw th cable in tight?

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lsemple:

cool

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lsemple:

the other apps I had didn't support ntsc

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lsemple:

only PAL

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lsemple:

so thats why I tried mythtv out

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|Torg|:

I was being facetious

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J-e-f-f-A:

if it's already in your system, check if it's been recognized... ls /dev/video* — you should see /dev/video0

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|Torg|:

it is, however, one of the easier cards to get to work

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lsemple:

I have /dev/video0 /dev/video1 /dev/video24 /dev/video32

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lsemple:

ok

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lsemple:

good to go ?

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|Torg|:

not necessarily

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: Check out Jarod's guide for pal/ntsc settings ... it's fedora-based, but you can apply the same capture card settings it mentions on your distro... http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmytht.php#capture &mdas h; "for ivtv-based cards' section...

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|Torg|:

The requested URL /mythtv/fcmytht.php was not found on this server.

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: Look at the 'vrl2-ctrl options (oops.. missed a v... http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmythtv.php#capture )

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|Torg|:

why dont you try the mythtv wiki :)

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|Torg|:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PVR-150

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lsemple:

ok

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: LET'S TRY THAT AGAIN---: http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#capture **SORRY*

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lsemple:

Jeffa that is for ntsc with itvt

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lsemple:

er ivtv

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lsemple:

?

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lsemple:

my card is analog I believe, is that why I have to use ivtv ?

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|Torg|:

ivtv is the driver for your card

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|Torg|:

you tell mythtv to use ntsc, not ivtv

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: Yeah, it tells the v4l settings to change the modes on the card. As long as the card isn't pal-only, it will switch it to ntsc.

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J-e-f-f-A:

|Torg|: Oh... I didn't realize myth could set it directly too... oops.

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lsemple:

I just set the setting to ntsc

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lsemple:

like Torg just said

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: You could at least use the commands to test your pvr-150 for ntsc from the command line.

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|Torg|:

J-e-f-f-A: you are probbly right, I use dvb cards not ivtv

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|Torg|:

like J-e-f-f-A said tho test it first

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J-e-f-f-A:

|Torg|: Yeah, you're probably right too... Mine are ntsc by default, and I don't have any pal sources, so... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

|Torg|: I do have a huge antenna though, maybe I could just point it towards the UK and try to pull in a PAL station... ;-)

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|Torg|:

last anolog card I had is a lamegrabber, it sits on my desk, thats desk as in the thing my montitors and keybaord ists ON. Its there to remind me of my stupidy and sets next to the 20M MFM drive

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lsemple:

how do I test this ?

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|Torg|:

hell J-e-f-f-A all I want is their DVB-T antenna, dont think I can bend RF that much tho

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: Once you've set it to ntsc, you can just cat it to a file (cat /dev/video0 >test.mpg – then press break after a few secs and play it in mplayer), or play it in mplayer directly (ie: mplayer /dev/video0 )

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|Torg|:

J-e-f-f-A: shouldn you tune it first?

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lsemple:

ok the mplayer thing didnt work

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J-e-f-f-A:

|Torg|: Yeah, *duh*... I use s-video in, forgot about that... ;-) (use dish STB's into s-video x3, plus 2 HD OTA cards)

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lsemple:

just got a bunch of errors

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: Did you setup your listings source already?

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lsemple:

actually that is what I am trying to configure is the svideo in

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lsemple:

Jeffa .. dont know how

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Tall-guy:

If I ask mythdora questions in here, will I get laughed out of the room, or just finger pointing and snickers behind my back?

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: in mythtv-setup — did you do that yet?

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|Torg|:

we only talk behind your back, dont worry

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Tall-guy:

oh, ok, not so bad then.

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Tall-guy:

So, anyhoo. I've determined I gotta do this http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/users/35059

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tall-guy: Just turn around when we answer... ;-)

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Tall-guy:

in order to fix some chipmunk audio/jittery video issues with pvr350

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lsemple:

I am in input connections

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lsemple:

got a few errors

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Tall-guy:

but I a) can't find the src rpm for the kernel that mythdora is on, and b) don't even have MAKE!

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lsemple:

it says "[ V4L : /dev/video0 ] (Camera) -> (None)

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|Torg|:

Tall-guy: whats uname -a say?

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Tall-guy:

torg: "rob" :)

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lsemple:

in input connections

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|Torg|:

Tall-guy: it better say more then that

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Tall-guy:

torg: (just waiting for it to reboot)...

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: Ok, did you define your capture card in 'capture cards' as mpeg capture card – /dev/video0

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lsemple:

no, its an analog one I thought,

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lsemple:

thats what it was defaulted to was the analog one

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: Nope, pvr-150 is a hardware mpeg card.

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lsemple:

hmm

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lsemple:

cool

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: It is an analog card, but it's got an on-board mpeg encoder.

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lsemple:

mpeg2 encoder card ?

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lsemple:

ahh yes

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: yes, not how it says something like "mpeg2 encoder card – x50 series"...

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J-e-f-f-A:

s/not/note/

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lsemple:

probed info: failed to open

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: and that's on /dev/video0 ???

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lsemple:

ahh its supposed to be video1

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lsemple:

video0 must be my quick cam

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lsemple:

duh

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: Ah... ;-)

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lsemple:

ok

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lsemple:

thats done

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: Now back out to the menu, and select the next menu... I think it's Video Sources (Should be named "Listing Sources" imho)...

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: Did you setup a Schedules Direct account yet (if you're in the US?)

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lsemple:

I am in Canada

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lsemple:

I dont need the schedules

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|Torg|:

he meant if you live in North America

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lsemple:

ahh

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|Torg|:

oh you dont, where do you get them from?

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lsemple:

channel 2 shaw cable is the schedule

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lsemple:

it scrolls through

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lsemple:

all the channels

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|Torg|:

do you want to record anything?

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lsemple:

yeah

[02:46:25]

lsemple:

I will try to set up the schedules

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lsemple:

one sec

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|Torg|:

other then setting up manual recordings al teh time, and then trying to guess what each one is, I would highly suggest you go get listings

[02:46:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: Then you need listings... That's how MythTV knows what's on, and what to record... You'll never need to watch channel 2 again...

[02:46:58]

lsemple:

cool

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lsemple:

SchedulesDirect.org ?

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CBiLL:

nice SD is 1 year for 20 dollar now

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|Torg|:

CBiLL: when?

[02:47:40]

CBiLL:

just now

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lsemple:

I have to set up an account with them ?

[02:48:02]

CBiLL:

my trial expires today so I went to go pay 15 for the 6 month and saw they change it to 20 a year now

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J-e-f-f-A:

awesome — Many thanks to the SD team!

[02:48:43]

CBiLL:

yeah so cool just at the right timing

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CBiLL:

I am glad I waited a couple more days before paying lol

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|Torg|:

hmm I dont see it, only the $15 for 6 months post

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|Torg|:

where did you see this?

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CBiLL:

in my member account

[02:49:32]

CBiLL:

where I went to buy a membership

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** xris bites his tongue **

[02:49:40]

CBiLL:

on paypal button

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lsemple:

ok so I will set up this membership, but I have to go

[02:49:43]

rmeden:

howdy all

[02:49:51]

CBiLL:

sec let me copy and paste

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jams:

hi rmeden

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lsemple:

thanks Torg, and Jeffa

[02:50:09]

CBiLL:

Schedules Direct 1 Year Non-Recurring

[02:50:09]

CBiLL:

Item #SD1Y

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CBiLL:

$20.00 1 $20.00

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lsemple:

brb

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|Torg|:

rmeden: did you just change ti the year plan?

[02:50:24]

rmeden:

a little while ago

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|Torg|:

where is the announcement?

[02:50:30]

rmeden:

(less than an hour)

[02:50:43]

rmeden:

all in due time... we like watching you guys find things. :)

[02:50:52]

rmeden:

was the google checkout mentioned too?

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|Torg|:

CBiLL said he just singed up so I wnt to look

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xris:

|Torg|: if you've paid, you won't see other payment options

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CBiLL:

yeah when I paid 20 dollar the payment optino disappeared

[02:51:32]

Sephen:

J-e-f-f-A Ok, I repaired the tables, no go.... So I turned on query logging in mysql and 'tail -f' the file... I can see inserts into recordedseek, but it still doesn't work.

[02:51:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

rotfl! ;-) Thanks xris, rmeden and whoever is involved in the SD effort! Kudos!

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|Torg|:

ok xris, so what wait until it does and pay $5?

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Tall-guy:

Torg: 2.6.20–1.2944.fc6 #1 SMP Tue Apr 10 18:46:45 EDT 2007 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

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|Torg|:

xris programmed it

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CBiLL:

I would email asking SD about it |Torg|

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xris:

|Torg|: working on extending everyone another 3 months

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CBiLL:

oh that cool

[02:52:26]

CBiLL:

best 20 dollar I spent 8-)

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** Tall-guy is a paid up member, and happy as a pig in.....washington d.c. **

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rmeden:

so folks who paid $15, get 9 momths (+ some a little bonus time)... same thing as $20/year

[02:52:53]

CBiLL:

now if I can get mythtv to hardcode the closed caption in video frame then Ill have the best DVR ever =P

[02:53:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

Sephen: Humm... I'm not sure what else to try then... are you using SVN, or 0.20.2 or ?

[02:53:23]

Sephen:

0.20.2

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xris:

|Torg|: check your account over the next 15–20 minutes, your expiration date should get updated (script takes awhile to run)

[02:54:00]

|Torg|:

how about us you signed up as soon as you put it up :P

[02:54:18]

|Torg|:

xris: im not too worried about it, I was just asking

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|Torg|:

besides I know where rmeden lives :P

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CBiLL:

ohhhhhhh

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CBiLL:

8-)

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Tall-guy:

Torg: did ya get my uname -a?

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CBiLL:

will SD have ppv listing anyone knows?

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|Torg|:

yes Tall-guy im scrolling back to see what I asked for it :)

[02:56:03]

Tall-guy:

hahaha, :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: mythweb question — I updated my system to a newer svn (14477) yesterday and it seems mythweb is behind in protocol (34 vs backend 35) — Am I missing something, or is the 35 version not done yet? Thanks.

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CBiLL:

I am reading the SD forum and folk seem to be getting listing but I don't see it hrmm

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: you probably need to upgrade mythweb, too.. it should be up to date

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|Torg|:

Tall-guy: I think it was to point you at rpmfind, I dont know if they have mythdora or not, but compiling a kernbel isnt quite that diffcult, just time consuming

[02:57:39]

Tall-guy:

torg: yeah, I know it aint that hard, I've done it before, but as I said...I don't even freekin have "make"!

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Tall-guy:

i'm thinking trying mythdora4 was an error

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|Torg|:

install that too, try yum

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CBiLL:

try mythbuntu . it's what I am using now

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|Torg|:

well debian is more stable :)

[02:58:18]

CBiLL:

so far looks pretty stable and good

[02:58:28]

CBiLL:

but still alpha stage

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|Torg|:

kbuntu rocks, but use knoppmyth

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: I thought I did... at first it didn't compile because I had done the 'revamp' patch, but I blew it away and did an svn up -r 14477 and it compiled, but still says incompatible protocol...

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Tall-guy:

well, everytime I make a "choice" on this myth thing, I end up regretting it... :) seems I go thru this stuff every 10–18 months when something happens (like SD/datadirect this time)

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|Torg|:

ubu has debs like RHs rpms, and there prtty much up to date

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CBiLL:

apt-get =P

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|Torg|:

I dont know what RH used anymore, its been years since I used it other then RHEL

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p1mrx:

once you get Gentoo, you never go back

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CBiLL:

Gentoo is alright

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p1mrx:

unless your company uses Ubuntu, then you have to go back every day

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: my mythweb mythproto says 36

[03:01:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: ok... I'll dig some more... Thanks.

[03:01:50]

xris:

you may have just caught a revision that's between when someone bumped the main backend version and mythweb.

[03:02:01]

xris:

easy enough to look at the history of mythweb/includes/mythbackend.php on trac

[03:02:45]

** xris goes to find food **

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: cool — I didn't know where to find the specific history. thanks.

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|Torg|:

xris get me some too, im hungry

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HReadren:

jeffa, after you compiled, did you also re-retrieve mythplugins *AND* re-copy over to your web dir?

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** J-e-f-f-A just ate a can of shrimp right out of the can... ;-) **

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|Torg|:

I had meatloaf and mashed potatoes right out of the bowl that the leftovers were in :)

[03:04:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

HReadren: I blew away my mythplugins/mythweb directory, then did an svn up -r 14477 (to match the backend/frontend), and it downloaded the new stuff again...

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HReadren:

right, but you still have to copy from mythplugins/mythweb over to your real web serving directory, wherever that might be.

[03:05:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

HReadren: then I think I did the make and make install and moved the mythweb stuff over... (I think...)

[03:05:14]

** J-e-f-f-A checks his work... **

[03:05:28]

HReadren:

make install doesn't move it to a web server directory. it has no idea where it would be on your distro.

[03:05:55]

HReadren:

it does install the rest of the plugins, but not mythweb. That's a manual step.

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|Torg|:

that and mainly beacse mythweb usually sits on the backend server and the plugins go on the forntend

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HReadren:

read "INSTALL" in the mythplugins/mythweb for complete directions.

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|Torg|:

reading the manuals is for loosers, thats why we have irc :P

[03:08:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

HReadren: Yeah, I'm gonna do the compile again and move it over... I know I moved it over, but perhaps I did it before the compile (I was tired...)

[03:08:45]

HReadren:

compile doesn't do anything to mythweb. a new retrieval would, but not a compile.

[03:09:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

HReadren: (See I'm tired again..) Yeah, I just blew away the src directory and svn'd it again. I'm gonna try moving that over to /var/www/html now...

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Tall-guy:

woohoo, found my kernel source (small victories are important to me tonite)

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HReadren:

may have to do the permissions stuff too.... Can get some REALLY strange errors if you don't...

[03:11:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

HReadren: Yeah, I must have done somthing wrong before... mythbackend.php in my newly-downloaded version does say protocol 35... This should work. Thanks for setting me strait!

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HReadren:

good luck.

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Led-Hed:

I have MythVideo set to use Xine: xine -pfhq --no-splash %s but when I play a video it always defaults back to the "Internal" player any ideas?

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lsemple:

do you have to pay to get tv schedules ???

[03:17:14]

Led-Hed:

lsemple, are you in the US?

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lsemple:

North America

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Led-Hed:

lsemple, then yes

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lsemple:

rats

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lsemple:

thanks

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p1mrx:

schedulesdirect is $15 for 6 months, which isn't a bad deal considering how easy it is to use

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Tall-guy:

AND as an added bonus....its $15.00 canadian now ;)

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Led-Hed:

thats 8 cents per day

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** J-e-f-f-A that looks a hell of alot better... thanks xris and HReadren ... **

[03:19:58]

Led-Hed:

not to mention its a lot easier than compiling your own list

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Led-Hed:

;)

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Led-Hed:

any ideas why MythVideo would default to the "Internal" player?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Led-Hed: It does now... You can change it if you like...

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Anduin:

Led-Hed: Do you have the "use default" checkbox checked for that file type?

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Led-Hed:

J-e-f-f-A, I changed it to: xine -pfhq --no-splash %s but it still plays with the internal player

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Led-Hed:

Anduin, Where is "use default" setting found?

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Anduin:

Led-Hed: In the File Types settings page

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Led-Hed:

Anduin, ok, lemme check.

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lsemple:

in mythtv-settings, how do I configure mythtv to start on s-video instead of a channel ?

[03:24:07]

lsemple:

(mythtv-setup)

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: What's your video source? A set-top box?

[03:24:54]

lsemple:

just testing it on a dvd player

[03:25:09]

lsemple:

but I will eventually need my vcr hooked in via composite video

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Tall-guy:

lsemple: whats a vcr? :)

[03:25:23]

lsemple:

right now, dvd player with svideo out

[03:25:27]

lsemple:

yeah lol

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Led-Hed:

Anduin, U DA MAN!!!!!

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lsemple:

I got documentaries I need transfers

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lsemple:

transferred

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Led-Hed:

thanks. I would have never found that!

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: why? the PVR-150 should be your tuner, not a VCR.

[03:25:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: why? the PVR-150 should be your tuner, not a VCR.

[03:26:08]

lsemple:

Jeffa I need to record the vcr onto my computer

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Tall-guy:

(he's got some pre-recorded stuf)

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mchou:

lsemple: you map the correct video source to the proper input connection

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lsemple:

I am in mythtv-setup

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lsemple:

I go to input connections ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: That's not as easy to do with myth... it's tailored to do scheduled recordings, not ad-hoc recordings. If there is no listing source, it will stop at the top and bottom of the hours IIRC...

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A is correct

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mchou:

you don't even need to use mythtv-setup for this, iirc

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lsemple:

yeah all I want to do is watch tv,

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mchou:

then use tvtime

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mchou:

there is no need to use myth if all you want to do is watch tv

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lsemple:

before when I had it set up, I was using xine, and I would just scroll through the channels, if you go below channel 1, it goes to svido, then composite, ect.

[03:29:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: Yeah, if you don't want a PVR, then you don't need Myth....

[03:29:49]

lsemple:

well I do need a pvr

[03:29:55]

lsemple:

too though

[03:29:59]

lsemple:

for my wife

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lsemple:

but,

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Led-Hed:

who doesnt need a MythTV? Its like air, without it you'll die

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lsemple:

I cant get a schedule unless I subscribe to one

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: Sounds like you need a 2nd tuner, one to record your PVR shows, and the other to watch live tv on...

[03:30:46]

Led-Hed:

lsemple, you can sign up for a 7 day free trial

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

he probably wont be able to set up myth in 7 days :)

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Led-Hed:

mchou, oh so true

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mchou:

a 2 wk trail would be more realistic

[03:32:00]

mchou:

trial*

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lsemple:

yeah yeah Im a newb

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: Just setup a system like mine — 3 Dish receivers feeding 3 analog tuners via S-Video, and 2 HD tuners via a roof-top antenna... and about 2.5TB of disk space.

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Led-Hed:

mchou, unless he uses KnoppMyth or MiniMtyh

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: I've got WAY MORE tv than I could possibly watch... ;-)

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lsemple:

yeah nice

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mchou:

Led-Hed: I havent used those, but I doubt even those would be easy

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Led-Hed:

I guess you dont need a tunner card or guide data, I use to use my MythTV as a Video Jukebox.

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lsemple:

can't I just use kmplayer to watch tv with ?

[03:33:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

A friend of mine started off with MythDora and absolutely loves it...

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Led-Hed:

lsemple, sure you can, but dont expect people here to help you with that

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lsemple:

haha

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lsemple:

well I want to see if this will work or not

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mchou:

lsemple: is your wife good looking? :)

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Led-Hed:

mchou, I don't know how I ever lived without MiniMyth. Its the BEST!!!!

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J-e-f-f-A:

lsemple: Tell me again WHY you feel the need to watch 'live' tv??? Do you like commercials? (Myth detects and skips them by the way!)

[03:34:07]

mchou:

lsemple: everything can be done for a price :)

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Tall-guy:

ok, guys...I REALIZE this aint the linux kernel compile channel, but I need some direction here before I blow sumthin up.

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Led-Hed:

PXEBoots so no Hard Drive I can add a new Frontend in approx 2 minutes

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mchou:

Tall-guy: make my day

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Tall-guy:

:)

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Tall-guy:

as per a doc to help me with my vid issue...I'm doing an rpm -ivh <kernel>.src.rpm

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Led-Hed:

carefull Tall-guy making his day could be him helping you blow stuff up.

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Tall-guy:

and when I run that , it complains that a dir isn't able to be created.

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mchou:

Tall-guy: now you're asking yourelf, did I shood 5, or did I shoot 6.......

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** Led-Hed knows it would make his day **

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mchou:

shoot*

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|Torg|:

Tall-guy: did you run that as root?

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Led-Hed:

anyone here using Ubuntu 7.04 for their backend?

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Tall-guy:

it was lookin for /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES

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|Torg|:

and what dir did it say it could no tmake?

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Tall-guy:

and on my mythdora , I've got /usr/src/kernels/2.6....blahblah

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** J-e-f-f-A time for bed... thanks again xris and HReadren ... ;-) And to the SD team too!!! **

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Led-Hed:

I cant seem to get the init script to start the backend.

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Tall-guy:

should I just create the desired Dir structure?

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|Torg|:

yes

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lsemple:

what does mythtv use as a player ?

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Tall-guy:

torg: was that a yes to me?

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Led-Hed:

lsemple, for tv it uses its own internal player

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Led-Hed:

for DVD's and such you can use MPlayer or Xine

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|Torg|:

yes Tall-guy

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penney:

I'm having a problem with my new tuner... I am not getting any channels over 13

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mchou:

lol

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Led-Hed:

penney, sounds like guide data problems

[03:37:55]

mchou:

is today noob day??

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Led-Hed:

lol

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penney:

just spent several hours getting guide setup

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|Torg|:

no sounds like he has cable and told it to tune ntsc

[03:38:19]

Led-Hed:

penney, did you run fillmythdatabase?

[03:38:25]

penney:

yes

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Anduin:

Tall-guy: there are distro channels (rpm-devel)

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lsemple:

I got an error when I try to exit from mythtv-setup. "Card0(type ) is set to start on channel 3, which does not exist. Do you want to fix this problem?

[03:38:42]

lsemple:

I dont know how to fix that

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J-e-f-f-A:

penney: make sure you set your frequency channel to CABLE...

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lsemple:

all I have plugged into the card is an svideo

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|Torg|:

lsemple: go add chanes which includes 3 for that tuner

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penney:

J-e-f-f-A: mythtv-setup?

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Tall-guy:

oh man, how many Gawdam packages are missing from mythdora ! :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

penney: Yeah — change it from 'US-BCAST' to 'US-CABLE'... And you should be all set...

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lsemple:

Torg, I dont understand

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penney:

it was set default

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penney:

i'm assuming that's us-bcast

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mchou:

dont assume anything

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|Torg|:

lsemple: what are you using for input?

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lsemple:

svideo

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lsemple:

only

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lsemple:

at the moment

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|Torg|:

did you tell it to use the svideo tuner?

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mchou:

svideo has no tuner

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penney:

thanks a bunch people

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penney:

that did it!

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lsemple:

under "input connections" in mythtv-setup

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lsemple:

?

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|Torg|:

yes lsemple

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** J-e-f-f-A now heads off to bed... g'night all! **

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Led-Hed:

ok this is strange. I run: invoke-rc.d mythtv-backend stop and get this message

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Led-Hed:

Stopping MythTV server: mythbackend No /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed.

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

so much for minimyth :)

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lsemple:

there is a list, I hit enter on svideo1, now I am at more settings

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lsemple:

one setting is starting channel, and that is set to 2

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lsemple:

?

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Led-Hed:

but if I do a: ps -A |grep myth I get this: 6276 ? 00:03:23 mythbackend

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lsemple:

svideo has to channels

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lsemple:

its just svideo

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lsemple:

wtf

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Led-Hed:

mchou, no this is Ubuntu

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Led-Hed:

minimyth is frontend only

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lsemple:

(I mean svideo has NO channels)

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lsemple:

why is that option even there for svideo

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mchou:

svideo is not supposed to have channels

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lsemple:

you cant have more that one channel for svideo, so why would it ask for "starting channel" when I hit enter on svideo in input connections ???

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Anduin:

lsemple: because most people would have something that would change channels attached to that thing and use and IR blaster/etc, so channels.

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mchou:

lsemple: that's a generic setup screen, not all fields will be necessary

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lsemple:

ahh

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lsemple:

so what would I set "starting channel" as ?

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Tall-guy:

lsemple: I'd go with 3786829 :)

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mchou:

lsemple: just leave it blank

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lsemple:

if all I want to use (test) is svideo

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lsemple:

?

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Tall-guy:

lsemple: its moot...

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Tall-guy:

(and I don't get to say moot very often)

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lsemple:

it goes from 2–125, then T10, and a few other T's, but no blank option

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Tall-guy:

lsemple: moot moot moot.....google moot

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Tall-guy:

for you, it dont matter!

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lsemple:

tall guy

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lsemple:

I dont have a clue what you are referring to

[03:47:34]

lsemple:

I am just going to test this sucker

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mchou:

sigh

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lsemple:

see if it works

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Tall-guy:

lsemple: if you're using svideo....and you don't have an ir blaster requirement to change a channel on your satelite decoder, or a cable box...then it doesn't matter WHAT you put in channel

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|Torg|:

Tall-guy: its not on wikipedia therefore it does not exist :P

[03:48:17]

Tall-guy:

torg: (moot?)

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lsemple:

ok

[03:48:28]

lsemple:

how come I cannot exit mythtv-setup ???

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|Torg|:

yes Tall-guy

[03:48:34]

lsemple:

I get error

[03:48:37]

Tall-guy:

torg: well thats just wrong

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|Torg|:

theres ALLOT of wrong about wikipedia, esp becase ppl take it as gospel

[03:49:01]

lsemple:

1tom7mi887ehv8s1neugexuv

[03:49:03]

lsemple:

er

[03:49:11]

Tall-guy:

nice password :)

[03:49:20]

mchou:

lol

[03:49:22]

lsemple:

I got an error when I try to exit from mythtv-setup. "Card0(type ) is set to start on channel 3, which does not exist. Do you want to fix this problem?

[03:49:30]

Tall-guy:

say no

[03:49:33]

mchou:

lsemple: say no

[03:49:35]

lsemple:

hahaha

[03:49:40]

Tall-guy:

and don't do drugs

[03:49:41]

Tall-guy:

stay in school

[03:49:42]

|Torg|:

tell it yuou know what your doing and drive on

[03:49:44]

Tall-guy:

listen to your parents

[03:50:08]

lsemple:

okokokok

[03:50:12]

lsemple:

jeesh

[03:51:02]

lsemple:

I tried watching tv

[03:51:06]

lsemple:

and it says

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lsemple:

"could not connect to the master backend server — is it running?"

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|Torg|:

is it?

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lsemple:

I am guessing I forgot something

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lsemple:

I dont know how do I check ?

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|Torg|:

like starting the backend maybe?

[03:51:55]

lsemple:

where is the option to start

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TechBill:

so you probably install Mythtv without a backend then

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TechBill:

8-)

[03:52:20]

lsemple:

I have mysql running

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|Torg|:

mysql!=mythbackend

[03:52:44]

lsemple:

probably just for hte channels

[03:52:49]

lsemple:

ok

[03:52:57]

lsemple:

how do I get a master back end server ?

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|Torg|:

in fact answering mysql questions here is allot like answering quesitons on drivers and kernels. i.e. nothing to do with mythtv

[03:53:05]

lsemple:

sounds pretty complex

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|Torg|:

how did you get the frontend client?

[03:53:31]

TechBill:

that I am wondering about

[03:53:36]

Tall-guy:

(which is why its gonna be so hard for me getting some help with this kernel rebuild)

[03:53:46]

TechBill:

unless it one of those package where he can choose only to install frontend

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|Torg|:

apt-get probbly you can do that

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lsemple:

well, I started out by buying a tv-tuner card

[03:53:57]

Anduin:

lsemple: mythtv-setup's primary purpose is to configure the backend, if you did it correctly you are all but done

[03:54:03]

lsemple:

(hauppauge wintv-pvr 150)

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lsemple:

lol

[03:54:20]

lsemple:

k

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|Torg|:

lsemple: one would assume since you run mythtv-setup you had mythbackend installed already

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|Torg|:

unless some half assed pacakger decided it needed to be sep[rate toop

[03:54:41]

lsemple:

hmm

[03:54:47]

Tall-guy:

oh man, just tell him to reboot all will be fine

[03:54:53]

lsemple:

no I dont think so Torg

[03:55:02]

Yahooada1:

hey, i remember somone linking to a thing about the PVR-150 that sets up the resoltion

[03:55:07]

|Torg|:

rebooting is for Windoze uzers

[03:55:15]

Yahooada1:

(not doing it leaves flickering video and stuff)

[03:55:37]

Anduin:

Yahooada1: the recording resolution is in the recording profile

[03:55:44]

Yahooada1:

thanks :)

[03:56:09]

Yahooada1:

what is it for PAL ?

[03:56:12]

lsemple:

Yahooada1 I will get to that in a bit

[03:56:23]

lsemple:

I just want to see how mythtv works first

[03:56:29]

lsemple:

I am back in mythtv-setup

[03:56:36]

lsemple:

under General

[03:56:41]

lsemple:

all looks fine

[03:56:48]

lsemple:

IP address 127.0.0.1

[03:56:54]

Yahooada1:

"Width Height"

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lsemple:

port 6543

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Yahooada1:

are they 540 for pal ?

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lsemple:

why is the backend not working then ?

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TechBill:

you got VBI enable?

[03:57:16]

lsemple:

if the settings are right ?

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Anduin:

lsemple: You probably just need to start it

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|Torg|:

lsemple: it dosnt start all by itslef

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zntneo_:

anyone know why i can't download videos from MythWeb?

[03:57:50]

zntneo_:

firefox gives an error

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|Torg|:

zntneo_ I give up, why not?

[03:58:08]

Yahooada1:

beacause it opens them with mythtv zntneo

[03:58:10]

zntneo_:

thats what i'd like to know

[03:58:26]

zntneo_:

not sure what you mean

[03:58:31]

lsemple:

how do I start it ?

[03:58:33]

lsemple:

Torg

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Yahooada1:

myth://192.xxx.xxx.xxx:6543/2079_20070921044400.mpg

[03:58:56]

Yahooada1:

check the link ;)

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|Torg|:

do you hav a file /etc/init.d/mythbackend?

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zntneo_:

oh i see, so i can't make it download? it used to be that way

[03:59:14]

|Torg|:

Yahooada1: im pretty sure you can put yout 192 address out and nobody will get to it

[03:59:21]

lsemple:

yes I do

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Tall-guy:

heheheheh

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|Torg|:

try /etc/init.d/mythbackend start

[03:59:48]

** Tall-guy is hacking 192.xxx.xxx.xxx as we speak **

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|Torg|:

im at 10.1.1.1 try that

[04:00:07]

zntneo_:

so i can't download from mythweb any more?

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Yahooada1:

if somone did get into my network, id rather they dont know whats where ;)

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|Torg|:

Yahooada1: is that an invitaiton?

[04:00:48]

** |Torg| me goes to fire up his nessus hosts **

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Yahooada1:

if you really feel like it :p

[04:00:57]

lsemple:

ok

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robbins876:

Anduin, you familiar with nvidia cards in laptops?

[04:01:00]

lsemple:

I am trying to watch tv

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lsemple:

and I still get "is the backend running?"

[04:01:08]

Yahooada1:

id be interested to know if you can break in |torg|

[04:01:13]

lsemple:

and it doesnt let me watch

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Yahooada1:

is this on the same box as the backend lsemple ?

[04:01:23]

zntneo_:

so i take that as a no?

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lsemple:

I ran /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

[04:01:32]

lsemple:

yes

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Anduin:

robbins876: Not really, I'm a Windows user.

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Yahooada1:

zntneo_ – i dont know if you ever could, but it would seem not

[04:01:45]

robbins876:

you punk

[04:01:57]

Yahooada1:

clicking the link doesnt even work on a computer with mythtv for me ...

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zntneo_:

yea before i upgraded that was its default behavior

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robbins876:

Anduin, I just got a lenovo t61 and i'm contemplating just keeping windows on it for the sake of my sanity

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lsemple:

I ran /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

[04:02:39]

lsemple:

and when I try to watch tv I get

[04:02:58]

lsemple:

"could not connect to master backend server?"

[04:03:04]

lsemple:

'is it running?"

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Yahooada1:

zntneo_ – ubuntu ?

[04:03:12]

zntneo_:

mythdora

[04:03:30]

lsemple:

the backend is running but mythtv doesnt work ???

[04:03:43]

lsemple:

cannot connect..

[04:03:43]

lsemple:

?

[04:03:59]

lsemple:

I gotta go now

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lsemple:

I will be back in 20

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Yahooada1:

zntneo_ – no idea, maybe its another plugin that modifys it ?

[04:04:52]

|Torg|:

ys the plugin is called apache2

[04:05:05]

Yahooada1:

mythsteam or whatever

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zntneo_:

what i used to be able to do is click on it and it would download

[04:06:05]

Yahooada1:

it hasnt worked like that for me, however, i havent been using mythweb for that long

[04:06:26]

Yahooada1:

well i havent been using mythtv for that long for that matter

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zntneo_:

this was when i was using .19

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Tall-guy:

I liked 19 :)

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Yahooada1:

lol

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Yahooada1:

ive only used 20 as far as i know

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Tall-guy:

heck, I liked 17 too :)

[04:07:24]

Yahooada1:

i know i tried mythtv before that though, much earlier in its production, but it sucked ass

[04:07:32]

** Tall-guy remembers fondly "holy hell, this thing commercial skips!" **

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Yahooada1:

mainly cos it didnt work

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|Torg|:

Tall-guy: it does?

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Tall-guy:

torg: so i'm told :)

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Anduin:

zntneo_: use_mtyh_uri seems to be the setting that controls it

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Yahooada1:

commerial skipping doesnt work well for me >_<

[04:08:28]

Anduin:

zntneo_: a session setting

[04:08:36]

Yahooada1:

it doesnt detect the commercials before the program, and it takes forever for commflag to run

[04:09:12]

zntneo_:

you mean on the settings page in mythweb

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Anduin:

zntneo_: Yes, the settings -> TV there is a Download URL override and a Use myth://etc...

[04:11:49]

piecesandbits:

Hi! Has anyone here gotten lirc modules compiled for the 2.6.21 kernel?

[04:12:35]

Yahooada1:

piecesandbits – are you having a problem, or do u actually want to know the answer to that question

[04:12:35]

Anduin:

piecesandbits: assume yes

[04:12:42]

Yahooada1:

if the former, ask ffs

[04:14:09]

piecesandbits:

Trying in Debian lenny and I can't get lirc_gpio. I hate to go outside the package manager but if I can succeed with the source, I'll go for it.

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|Torg|:

why are you using lenny?

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piecesandbits:

Stable is too stale and I suck in unstable (sid) lol

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|Torg|:

one would assume if you were using a test version of teh OS that you knew how to use it

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Yahooada1:

whats wrong with sarge ?

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venger:

anyone using a ATI 9800pro DVI out?

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Yahooada1:

venger – ask your question

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|Torg|:

Yahooada1: he did :P

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piecesandbits:

|Torg|, you don't learn if you don't push yourself. I understand if I need to continue my search else where.

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|Torg|:

did you tell him about the one question per day policy?

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Tall-guy:

good lord, I compiled a kernel module!

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Yahooada1:

why do people come on and ask aroudn the real issue

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|Torg|:

ok piecesandbits to answer your question no, I have it running on 2.6.20, then again im running etch not lenny

[04:19:05]

Yahooada1:

just ask your damn question, your get a response faster

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|Torg|:

how hard was it to compile? no harder or asier then compiling anything else

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|Torg|:

how long did ti take to setup, about 20 mins, i put in every key by hand

[04:19:36]

|Torg|:

how often do I use it? try never, I prefer my wireless keyboard

[04:19:43]

bsdfox:

just a quick poll, what bitrate do you guys reencode to? right now my 30 min episodes are about 875mb and I transcode them down to about 500mb but I lose a little quality (looks fine on standard def tv, but lousy on a monitor)

[04:19:55]

|Torg|:

so rather then gving usless infromation why dont you say "how do I compile lirc"

[04:20:06]

venger:

it was a yes or no question crabby

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venger:

meaning, is it worth my time to explore

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Tall-guy:

hey, my remote won't work if I don't plug in the receiver wire.....stupid electrons....

[04:20:51]

|Torg|:

do you want to play with the ATI drivers?

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Tall-guy:

(seriously, I just replaced the batteries in my remote thinking that was it!)

[04:21:09]

|Torg|:

yes my wirelss keybaord sucks iwth dead batteries

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Yahooada1:

lol

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Tall-guy:

wait till you burn out the airwaves....then what will you do?

[04:21:54]

Yahooada1:

im using an ATI card in my mythtv box

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Yahooada1:

working fine on ubuntu

[04:22:20]

Yahooada1:

but as to which card, thats another question :p

[04:22:36]

venger:

so you are using DVI out or that special s-video/combo dongle?

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Yahooada1:

DVI

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|Torg|:

DVI<->HDMI cable?

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Yahooada1:

however, ive also tried with a X1900XT before, and i couldnt get it to work properly

[04:23:39]

Yahooada1:

DVI-DVI

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|Torg|:

yuou ahve DVI in on your TV?

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Yahooada1:

its connected to a comptuer screen, im not rich enough for HD tv's

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|Torg|:

yea thats right, you realy told me that

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Yahooada1:

?

[04:24:31]

venger:

in my case, DVI->HDMI however i didn't get output as i had expected so ill have to come up with another monitor temporarily

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Yahooada1:

venger, try modelines ?

[04:25:00]

Yahooada1:

HDMI is, for all intensive purposes, DVI

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venger:

i'm not sure which to set for my specific tv, its a Panasonic CT-30WX15

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|Torg|:

HDMI = DVI + digital audio

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|Torg|:

er,, can

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venger:

1.1 and 1.2 was 2 channel I do believe

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|Torg|:

venger what did EDID tell you?

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Yahooada1:

how can i find my gfx card, i tried dmesg

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|Torg|:

lspci

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Yahooada1:

its a 9200 Pro

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Yahooada1:

thanks |torg| :)

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venger:

sounds like I need to introduce myself to EDID and find out

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|Torg|:

venger, exit X, run X -verbose 5 > /tmp/X.log 2>&1

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|Torg|:

then let it fuilly start, it will look like b&w hashmakrs with a big X mousecursor

[04:28:18]

|Torg|:

at that time you can ctrl-alt-bkspo out of it or ctrolc the command you ran it from

[04:28:39]

|Torg|:

then go look though that log file, it shoudl show you a much of modeleins

[04:29:05]

|Torg|:

some say server, some EDID, some VESA, look for the EDID ones and thats what your TV said it can do

[04:29:17]

|Torg|:

there not always correct, but it is a good starting point

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venger:

alright i have to plan for this so i jotted that down. also i see apt knows about read-edid package

[04:30:29]

|Torg|:

yes it does

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Yahooada1:

sigh, i really hope i get this mythfilldatabase problem sorted soon, its driving me nuts

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Yahooadam:

gnite yall

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Tall-guy:

wow, he was all – powerful

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venger:

Torg would linux need to be told to output to the DVI port or is output going to come out vga and dvi by default

[04:35:22]

|Torg|:

X would

[04:35:44]

|Torg|:

I dunno about ATI cards, but for nvidia cards you need a line that says Screen 1

[04:35:53]

|Torg|:

its probably in the readme for the driver

[04:36:01]

venger:

ah i see in addition to screen 0 that makes sense

[04:36:07]

|Torg|:

fglrc?

[04:36:11]

|Torg|:

fglrx?

[04:37:04]

venger:

xserver-xorg-ati right now. I did try ati's downloaded but it bitched about the distro version

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|Torg|:

I can show you mine, but its a nvidia card

[04:37:42]

|Torg|:

the box with the ATI isnt connected to a monitor

[04:37:53]

venger:

u see, i have a 6800gt on the backend and that card as always been cake to set up

[04:37:54]

Tall-guy:

thanx to all who helped with my kernel issues....I'm back in business!

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|Torg|:

what does xorg call the driver?

[04:38:27]

|Torg|:

can you put the card from teh BE into the FE and swap them?

[04:38:30]

venger:

what i stated would be close to the exact package name but you still use "ati"

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venger:

i wonder if that old mother board would even support it, i dont a pretest for standard definition and the 9800 cuts it, the mb is an Asus TUA266 with a Celeron 1ghz (Coppermine?) probable pIII based

[04:40:46]

venger:

c/dont/done

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Tall-guy:

venger: did they make 1ghz p3's?

[04:41:24]

|Torg|:

dunno I only do HD

[04:41:24]

Tall-guy:

i thought they topped out at 800?

[04:41:42]

venger:

Tualatins went up to 1.4 and they were p3 based

[04:42:09]

Tall-guy:

my memory is getting shorter and shorter

[04:42:20]

Led-Hed:

be glad its not your penis

[04:42:22]

Led-Hed:

;)

[04:42:40]

Led-Hed:

sorry couldnt resist

[04:42:42]

Tall-guy:

i get too much viagara email for THAT to be a problem

[04:42:47]

venger:

i'm actually stoked that this mother board still works and even smells like the cigarettes i used to smoke lol

[04:42:49]

Led-Hed:

lol

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Led-Hed:

Night all....

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mchou:

lol

[04:43:40]

mchou:

you guys crack me up

[04:44:18]

mchou:

penis, viagara, mother (boards). What will you guys think of next?

[04:44:44]

mchou:

oh, not to mention smoking.....

[04:44:44]

Tall-guy:

butt implants!

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mchou:

butt implant? wtf is that? Who needs a bigger ass?

[04:45:38]

Tall-guy:

don't laff man, they exist...

[04:45:44]

Tall-guy:

has to be true, saw it on King of the Hill :)

[04:46:06]

mchou:

umm, is this for guys?

[04:46:15]

|Torg|:

http://www.locateadoc.com/gallery.cfm/Action/ . . . cedureID/105

[04:46:16]

mchou:

cause women do this naturally :)

[04:46:57]

Tall-guy:

mchou: how's your relationship goin :)

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|Torg|:

based upon his comments.....no comment :P

[04:47:37]

Tall-guy:

zactly

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mchou:

only good relationship results in lard-asses

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venger:

|Torg|, thanks for the tips, ill have to give this a go another night

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|Torg|:

ok, np

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[04:48:50]

Tall-guy:

note to self: never buy another asus pundit

[04:48:51]

mchou:

Tall-guy: Am I missing something?

[04:49:09]

Tall-guy:

mchou: buttcheeks?

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|Torg|:

a sence of humor maybe?

[04:49:33]

Tall-guy:

mchou: I'm off on a tangent...don't mind me

[04:49:44]

mchou:

a sense of humor?

[04:50:06]

mchou:

what's so funny about a lard-ass?

[04:51:18]

Tall-guy:

so, I'm sittin here taken the power supply fan out of the case, and remarking how close these capacitors are to my screwdriver

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

that's easy

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mchou:

use an insulated screwdrive, and discharge often

[04:52:51]

mchou:

driver*

[04:53:52]

Tall-guy:

naw, just lick my fingers

[04:54:06]

cesman:

xris: I'm playing w/ the new MythWeb!

[04:54:10]

cesman:

great work!

[04:54:19]

mchou:

yeah, you'll taste like fried chicken too

[04:54:37]

cal:

upgraded mythtv, and now my usb remote (a keyboard remote) isn't working... is this the problem? : usb 7–2: device descriptor read/64, error -71

[04:54:48]

mchou:

complete with the fried chicken smell

[04:54:50]

cal:

found that in dmesg

[04:55:55]

mchou:

electrocuted ppl smell like fried chicken.

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Tall-guy:

mchou: i wont even ask why you know that

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|Torg|:

cal whats lsusb tell you?

[04:59:37]

cal:

Bus 006 Device 002: ID 1241:f761 Belkin

[04:59:58]

cal:

and then a bunch of similar lines : Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000

[05:00:06]

mchou:

sounds like you have usb connection issues

[05:00:27]

mchou:

unplug usb device, and plug it back in again

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|Torg|:

0000:0000 means nothing is attached

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|Torg|:

1241:f761 is a device

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cal:

mchou: this is a usb remote sensor.. its hard wired inside the case

[05:01:50]

mchou:

what you mean hard wired?

[05:01:55]

|Torg|:

hardwired, on a chip, external, plggedintoa hub or otherwise its a device

[05:02:15]

cal:

plugged into the usb pins on the motherboard

[05:02:19]

mchou:

lol

[05:02:29]

|Torg|:

so are all your exteral slots

[05:02:33]

mchou:

which is exactly why you should check it

[05:02:42]

mchou:

sigh

[05:02:46]

mchou:

damn kids

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cal:

well, more importantly, this worked before i upgraded a half hour ago... all i did was upgrade mythtv software

[05:03:27]

cal:

so it cant be the hardware

[05:03:28]

mchou:

I'm paying my tax dollars to fund crappy public education?

[05:03:29]

Tall-guy:

"All" i did....man, thats how my September started....and its the 20th now :

[05:03:52]

mchou:

cal: it cant be HW?

[05:03:55]

cal:

tall: i am just saying i didnt mess with the hardware .. havent opened the case =)

[05:03:59]

|Torg|:

updaging mythtv wil not stop a usb device from working

[05:04:18]

|Torg|:

its either you knocked somehting loose, it does of a powr spike or otherwise coincidental to you upgrading myth

[05:04:23]

mchou:

you obviously fucked up somewhere

[05:04:28]

|Torg|:

unless of course you did more then the mythtv sopftware

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fysa:

power off/on.

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|Torg|:

-71 usualy menas its underpowered

[05:04:40]

mchou:

no amount of messing with myth will screw up USB

[05:04:53]

mchou:

even if you tried

[05:05:13]

cal:

usb 7–2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3

[05:05:14]

cal:

usb 7–2: device descriptor read/64, error -71

[05:05:16]

mchou:

the fact you are getting USB bus messages means you have HW issues

[05:05:18]

Tall-guy:

you haven't got one of those usb powered coffe mug warmers in parallel do you?

[05:05:44]

mchou:

no, a lazer printer would do

[05:05:48]

mchou:

laser*

[05:06:06]

fysa:

also, make sure it didn't change devices in /dev/ — my USB IR randomly switches places with my USB RF keyboard from time to time.

[05:06:18]

cal:

i am thinking something along the lines like its using a newer usb driver now that doesnt support my usb device... and the old driver did.. it says "low speed USB"

[05:06:47]

mchou:

cal: and what does this have to do with myth again?

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|Torg|:

drives dont say low speed usb, HW does

[05:08:27]

mchou:

cal: I think you need to bore other people with your USB questions

[05:08:33]

cal:

mch: shrug. i upgraded myth and it stopped working, was working a half hour ago, and i didnt get near the hardware except for putting the cd in. i just dont know what it is =)

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|Torg|:

cal I upgraded myth and my coffe got cold

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mchou:

haha

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Tall-guy:

cal: how did u upgrade myth?

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mchou:

happens to the best of us

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cal:

torg: i guess you need to get a faster system then!

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mchou:

Tall-guy: probably thru a usb stick :)

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|Torg|:

no I ned to not forget when I poor it and leave it int he kitchn

[05:09:46]

Tall-guy:

hah, thats just mean

[05:10:33]

mchou:

damn, poor floyd landis

[05:10:37]

cal:

tall: auto-upgrade on the knoppmyth menu

[05:10:45]

Tall-guy:

ah,,, knoppmyth.....

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mchou:

I think he got the short end of the stick

[05:11:04]

cal:

tall: well it IS myth.. so dont give me any schitt. lol

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Tall-guy:

cal

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Tall-guy:

i'm not leaning on you for saying its myth

[05:11:17]

Tall-guy:

but my point is

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Tall-guy:

you upgraded "knoppmyth".....

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Tall-guy:

which no doubt did more than just update myth...probalby upgraded some other drivers/patches/modules etc.

[05:11:43]

bsdfox:

god why use knoppmyth?

[05:11:48]

bsdfox:

that's the worst way

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mchou:

yeah, prbably even the kernel

[05:11:57]

Tall-guy:

i don't fault people for their distro choice...:)

[05:12:06]

Tall-guy:

i'm just leting u know that you really didn't upgrade "just myth"

[05:12:11]

cal:

tall: which is why i mentioned that i think it upgraded a usb driver

[05:12:18]

mchou:

lol

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mchou:

myth doesnt upgrade kernel

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mchou:

we were supposed to read your mind?

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|Torg|:

no but can you?

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|Torg|:

Ill go get the tin foild hats

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cal:

tall: if you want to get into symantics, we can.. ppl say they are 'running linux' when linux is really just the kernel. most everything else is GNU.

[05:13:32]

mchou:

huh??

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Tall-guy:

torg: you enjoy the taste of papaya and think New Coke was a scam.......Carnac the magnificent

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lsemple:

ok

[05:14:01]

lsemple:

I ran mythtv-backend start

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Tall-guy:

cal: I'm not talking semantics dude...I'm saying that you didn't just upgrade myth.....

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|Torg|:

linux is the OS

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Tall-guy:

thats all.

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lsemple:

but I still get error "mythtv not started"

[05:14:14]

lsemple:

backend not started

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lsemple:

when I try to watch tv

[05:14:30]

lsemple:

?

[05:14:31]

Tall-guy:

lsemple: type "mythbackend" and see what happens.

[05:14:36]

bsdfox:

read the log

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|Torg|:

run mythbackend -v all and see what it errors out on

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cal:

tall: thats fine, i try to be as descriptive as possible, without spamming the channel. i'll keep that in mind next time.

[05:15:24]

Tall-guy:

cal: I started this evening with "I know this aint a mythdora channel....BUT........" seemed to work for me :)

[05:15:49]

lsemple:

ahh thank you

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lsemple:

it now works

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|Torg|:

actually from teh number of ppl I see using it, this is a ubu channel :P

[05:15:54]

lsemple:

:)

[05:15:57]

lsemple:

thats all I wanted

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cal:

torg: nah, linux is the kernel. the OS is comprised of GNU .. ls,df,grep,etc etc

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|Torg|:

umm the kernel is gnu too

[05:16:28]

|Torg|:

Linux is a free Unix-type operating system originally created by Linus Torvalds with the assistance of developers around the world. Developed under the GNU General Public License , the source code for Linux is freely available to everyone. Click on the link below to find out more about the operating system that is causing a revolution in the world of computers

[05:16:43]

|Torg|:

this isnt Solaris/SunOS

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Tall-guy:

I adore my 64

[05:16:58]

|Torg|:

and implictly its not Unix but rather a Unix emulator

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xris:

unix-alike

[05:17:11]

|Torg|:

and its not SysV under BSD commands

[05:17:20]

|Torg|:

Linux is Linux

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xris:

it doesn't exactly emulate..

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cal:

torg: Variants of the GNU operating system, which use the kernel called Linux, are now widely used

[05:17:43]

|Torg|:

ok xris emulate is probbly a incorrect term

[05:19:34]

mchou:

you mean impersonator :)

[05:19:42]

mchou:

or imposter

[05:20:11]

Tall-guy:

"poser" :)

[05:20:28]

Tall-guy:

in fact, my fedora system just said "yo homey" to me.

[05:20:30]

|Torg|:

I could claim its umulating nfs and other protocals and that the kernel was the emulator, but that more implies cpu emulation not protocal or kernel emulation

[05:20:38]

cal:

so anyway, it looks like i need to revert back to the old usb drivers?

[05:21:02]

Tall-guy:

cal: if u can, that'd be my bet.

[05:21:03]

|Torg|:

maybe unix clone? or more technically correct minix clone

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zntneo_:

ok anyone know why my recording is black and white?

[05:22:15]

mchou:

I told ya today is noob day

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|Torg|:

every day is noob day :P

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Tall-guy:

zntneo: is livetv b&w too?

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IamEthos:

someone give me the motivation to set up my IR blasters and get my myth box running

[05:22:53]

** Tall-guy will always be a noob.... **

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Tall-guy:

Iamethos: I'll give u a cookie

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zntneo_:

no its not

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zntneo_:

i mean livetv is not b&w

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Tall-guy:

zntneo: making sure you understood I meant "Watching TV thru myth" and not "is the program you are recording b&w"

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zntneo_:

that is correct i understood that

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Tall-guy:

k

[05:25:12]

zntneo_:

just went to live tv right now and it was in color

[05:26:23]

zntneo_:

although mythweb has a color pic for some reason

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Tall-guy:

zntneo: mythweb = color....so recording was done in color seems to be a safe bet....

[05:26:57]

Tall-guy:

zntneo_: can u play it via mythweb?

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zntneo_:

no i the thumbnail image is in color

[05:27:49]

zntneo_:

ok now i've figured out that its after i download it from the computer to mine

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Tall-guy:

what is after?

[05:28:19]

zntneo_:

that its in black and white

[05:28:54]

zntneo_:

playing it thorugh the frontend it plays in color

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Tall-guy:

ooooh...ok...

[05:29:04]

Tall-guy:

(I think I'm getting tired)

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zntneo_:

no its prob.me

[05:29:15]

Tall-guy:

zntneo: bad codec/player on your pc then....

[05:29:22]

zntneo_:

its vlc

[05:29:43]

Tall-guy:

i'd look for a "play in b&w" option then :)

[05:35:41]

zntneo_:

sigh i can't find it

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Tall-guy:

zntneo: what ver of vlc?

[05:37:46]

zntneo_:

.8.6

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zntneo_:

c

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Tall-guy:

hmm, sorry dude, I can't find diddly

[05:42:38]

zntneo_:

i'm still so happy, i got my mythtv to work correctly today

[05:42:46]

zntneo_:

my slave backend connected, and its' recording

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Tall-guy:

its a wonderful world :)

[05:44:12]

Tall-guy:

I just wanna get the streaming working with my pocketpc....that'd be kewl.

[05:44:25]

zntneo_:

now i have to get it so it converts it to xvid

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tessier_:

Woohoo!! :)

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tessier_:

A mythtv channel. sweet. :)

[05:45:56]

zntneo_:

unless theres a better way to get it to play in quicktime

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Tall-guy:

oh you are gonna be SOOOO disappointed tessier :)

[05:46:08]

tessier_:

I don't have a mythtv setup running yet. But I am about to buy a new TV.

[05:46:15]

tessier_:

Tall-guy: Why is that? :)

[05:46:35]

tessier_:

I am not terribly familiar with the TV technology. I am thinking about buying this one: http://www.butterflyphoto.com/1/LC52D62U/AQUO . . . 2U_52_LCD_TV

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Tall-guy:

tessier: i was bein sarcastic....sometimes this channel is amazing, sometimes you get stuck with a dufus like me.

[05:46:53]

tessier_:

Would any of those inputs listed work with any of the video cards used in a myth box?

[05:47:02]

tessier_:

I don't see anything actually labeled VGA there

[05:47:15]

Tall-guy:

tessier: purty tv dude :)

[05:47:20]

tessier_:

Tall-guy: Yeah. :)

[05:48:12]

Tall-guy:

"video cards used in a mythbox" is a bit of a misnomerish statement

[05:48:31]

Tall-guy:

you can use lotsa different cards....some better than others, opinions will vary on this channel and others....

[05:48:40]

Tall-guy:

(lots of vid cards output hdmi for example)

[05:48:48]

zntneo_:

tall you know the best way to make recordings play in quicktime?

[05:49:09]

tessier_:

Tall-guy: Ah, and this TV accepts HDMI...

[05:49:34]

Tall-guy:

hdmi, component, Svideo....

[05:50:04]

Tall-guy:

crikey, its a tv too :)

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merlin_:

howdy, I got another fun question: I had to change my mythtv uid on my slave backend (I found out after the fact that the uid had to be the same because I had to cross nfs mount both backends for transcodes to work)

[05:51:29]

merlin_:

I changed the uid of all the mythtv files on disk to match the new uid, but now I can't start mythbackend as user mythtv anymore. I get: Unable to connect to database

[05:52:09]

merlin_:

but 1) it works fine if I start mythbackend as root, and 2) I've verified that mythbackend run as mythtv can read /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[05:52:22]

merlin_:

so, I'm stumped :-/

[05:52:58]

Tall-guy:

i thought mythbackend USUALLY ran as root?

[05:53:01]

Tall-guy:

and NOT mythtv

[05:53:17]

Tall-guy:

check out my system:

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Tall-guy:

2879 mythtv 15 0 203m 64m 26m R 4.0 14.8 0:33.92 mythfrontend

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Tall-guy:

2402 root 17 0 329m 28m 7900 S 3.3 6.5 0:19.30 mythbackend

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merlin_:

on debian it runs as user mythtv

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merlin_:

mythtv 18629 0.1 2.5 212756 25888 ? Ssl 10:05 1:17 /usr/bin/mythbackend --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid

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merlin_:

(that's the working one)

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Tall-guy:

hmm, wonder why that is...oh well, no matter

[05:54:22]

merlin_:

not that I don't trust the code, but I like the distro default to run as an unprivileged user :)

[05:54:23]

|Torg|:

on debian using certain packages it runs as mythtv

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merlin_:

and ubuntu is the same

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|Torg|:

what is it you think mythtv is gopgin to do? spread a virus? run a trojan? give out passwords?

[05:55:41]

Tall-guy:

checkout /etc/sysconfig/mythbackend

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merlin_:

haha :) I'm not afraid about malice in the code, just the standard buffer overflows and all

[05:56:09]

Tall-guy:

torg: yeah, I think ppl get a bit too hung up on that...i mean its not a public domain dns server or nuttin

[05:56:11]

|Torg|:

even if its overflowed what do you think it will do?

[05:56:20]

|Torg|:

put it behind a firewall

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|Torg|:

if you REALLY REALLY want whats on my boxes go for it, its 7–8G per hour of TV

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|Torg|:

and you better like what I like to watch :P

[05:56:51]

merlin_:

Ok, I'm a security engineer, sue me :)

[05:57:11]

Tall-guy:

merlin: naw, you probably got your money in a secure vault.

[05:57:13]

merlin_:

but seriously, I'm just trying to restore what was working in the package, not to change the default config it came with

[05:57:30]

merlin_:

oh, no, that's just under my pillow, no one checks there

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Tall-guy:

merlin: so why not just run it as root???? I mean if it works...whats the harm?

[05:58:09]

|Torg|:

all my myth boxes are dedicated, behind 3 firewalls, and run on there own net

[05:58:15]

merlin_:

I'll start doing that if I can't make it work like it used to, it just bothers me that it used to run as mythtv just fine, and now that broke

[05:59:03]

Tall-guy:

well, I'm outta my element...so I'll abstain

[05:59:20]

|Torg|:

running as a non privliged user to a priviledged user wont break it

[05:59:56]

|Torg|:

mytweb files need to be readable by the web server user

[06:00:09]

|Torg|:

recordings need to be readable and writabel byt he backend user

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|Torg|:

and the rest of it mostly needs ot be able to be read by teh frontend user

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merlin_:

right

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merlin_:

whoever made the packages already took care of all that

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lsemple:

ok I got mythtv working perfect

[06:03:00]

Tall-guy:

lsemple: congrats dude

[06:03:05]

lsemple:

got a few questions

[06:03:38]

lsemple:

a) if I set up twinview for nvidia, can I put mythtv on another monitor/screen ?

[06:04:00]

lsemple:

b) can I configure mplayer to play mythtv ?

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|Torg|:

twinview is for card output sharing only

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|Torg|:

twinview wil not work across cards

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lsemple:

no not across cards

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merlin_:

lsemple, yes, you can configure your nvidia card to be 2 different heads

[06:04:33]

|Torg|:

mplayer can me used as a external player

[06:04:44]

merlin_:

and have :0 be the CRT/LCD while :1 is the TV

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|Torg|:

by default the two heads wil be seperate

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merlin_:

you just run your mythtv setup on :1 and you should be fine

[06:05:02]

|Torg|:

twinview exteends across the two as does xinerama

[06:05:09]

|Torg|:

merlin its not :1

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lsemple:

ok I will try thanks guys

[06:05:15]

|Torg|:

its :0.1

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lsemple:

er

[06:05:42]

lsemple:

anyone know how to configure the new nvidia drivers for twin-view ?

[06:05:46]

Tall-guy:

hehehe

[06:05:50]

|Torg|:

defined by the number after Screen in ServerLayout

[06:05:51]

lsemple:

nvidia-settings does not let me do it

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lsemple:

I had it working, but glx wasnt working

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merlin_:

lsemple, read the long nvidia readme, independent head setup is in there

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|Torg|:

twinview does not work on all cardds, its an option is all

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merlin_:

you may have to write the xorg.conf by hand

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lsemple:

hmm k

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lsemple:

alright

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|Torg|:

when you say it wont let you, how so?

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lsemple:

it just doesnt even have the tv as an option

[06:08:21]

lsemple:

and the "twinview" radio button is greyed out

[06:08:24]

lsemple:

but,

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|Torg|:

then yourt TV isnt being seen on DDC

[06:08:46]

lsemple:

when I reset the computer, twinview works, the tv displays the output of the bootup process

[06:08:57]

lsemple:

as soon as kde opens

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lsemple:

twinview dissapears

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merlin_:

lsemple, you don't want twinview for what you're looking at doing

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|Torg|:

if you want to setup seperate heads make two video card definitions with Screen 0 and Screen 1, if you want twinview make one and put TwinView as an option under its Screen section

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merlin_:

individual head setup doesn't use twinview

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|Torg|:

but merlin_is correct simply leave it as 0.0 and 0.1

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merlin_:

twinview is the nvidia xinerama, it means putting two different heads as one big virtual screen

[06:10:12]

merlin_:

and you want two individual screens

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lsemple:

twinview is where you can drag the mouse to the other screen

[06:10:20]

merlin_:

yes

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|Torg|:

twinview is where you can drag an applicaion

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|Torg|:

mose you can always move

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merlin_:

Torg is right, that's the more correct description

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|Torg|:

lsemple: im ruiing three heads on my desktop now if you would like to see an example

[06:11:15]

lsemple:

ok

[06:11:21]

lsemple:

please

[06:11:38]

lsemple:

? you have 3 screens on one computer ?

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merlin_:

See README.txt.gz: Appendix P. Configuring Multiple X Screens on One Card

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lsemple:

twinview?

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|Torg|:

no, xinerame, cant twinview three heads

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merlin_:

lsemple, I have 4 at work: 2 dual cards using twinview with xinerama between the two twinview cards

[06:12:21]

|Torg|:

http://www.pastebin.ca/705522

[06:12:33]

merlin_:

one big virtual X display with 4 screens

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|Torg|:

the differnce between what I have setup and yours is to NOT turn on Xinerama

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lsemple:

wow

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lsemple:

sounds cool

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merlin_:

lsemple, read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.txt.gz, appendix P

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|Torg|:

merlin why not xinerama it all and not use twinview ?

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merlin_:

xinerama on 4 heads was very slow

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|Torg|:

3 heads works fine

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merlin_:

twinview takes out a lot of work for X

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merlin_:

It worked, it was just slow :)

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|Torg|:

id have to rearrange monitos on inputs then

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|Torg|:

my two 19" are on one while my 22" widescreen is on antoher in the middle

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|Torg|:

I do that so I can SLI the cards to my one 22" monitor to play games

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lsemple:

so basically you just duplicate all the settings for nvidia

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lsemple:

and name everything screen1

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|Torg|:

no

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lsemple:

in xorg.conf

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lsemple:

everything new

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|Torg|:

each screen, each videocard, each monito MUST have unique names

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|Torg|:

look closer

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lsemple:

ok, I have one video card, with a tv plugged in, and a computer screen also plugged in

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lsemple:

does that make a difference ?

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|Torg|:

holdon I pasted the wrong conf

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lsemple:

what is xinerama

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|Torg|:

its my workign copy, bsiucaly its correct execpt everything after the DRI section

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|Torg|:

xinerama is how I take thee monitors and allow me to mov applicaations across them

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lsemple:

ahh ok

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|Torg|:

put my mail ont eh lkeft, my web int he middle and chat on teh right for example

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lsemple:

I only have one video card

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lsemple:

should I still use xinerama

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lsemple:

?

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|Torg|:

without that I would have three destkopms, thee windowmangers, and coudl run gnome in one, bb in aother hten kde int eh third

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|Torg|:

nope

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|Torg|:

no xinerama, no twinview

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lsemple:

one video card, two displays

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lsemple:

display1 = computer screen, display2 = TV (composite video cord)

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lsemple:

I had twinview working

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|Torg|:

yes

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|Torg|:

turn it off

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lsemple:

so then don't use xinerama

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|Torg|:

unless you REALLY want to drag and app from display1 to 2

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lsemple:

yeah I do

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|Torg|:

why?

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lsemple:

I liked that set up

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|Torg|:

do these two monitos differ in size?

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lsemple:

because I like to watch shows and stuff while I work on the computer

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lsemple:

yes

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|Torg|:

then you wil have dpi issues

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kormoc:

|Torg|, not if it's setup right

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lsemple:

it worked before

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|Torg|:

you dont want that, you want to setup myth to run on its own monitor

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lsemple:

perfectly fine

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lsemple:

watched tons of movies that way

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|Torg|:

your eating cpu for a fature you dont need

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|Torg|:

kormoc: care to lok at mine and tell me how to fix it :)

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kormoc:

|Torg|, not if it's not always used for multimedia

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kormoc:

|Torg|, you can set the DPI on the monitors to whatever values you like

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|Torg|:

I do , xinerama overwrites it

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|Torg|:

dimensions: 4240x1050 pixels (1196x303 millimeters)

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|Torg|:

resolution: 90x88 dots per inch

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kormoc:

xinerama renders into the default DPI the server is running in, 72 or 100, and then it's scaled to the display dpi

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kormoc:

that's the virtual dpi

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|Torg|:

yes but the three monitos I run do not have dpi in common

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kormoc:

if you change the per minitor dpi, it should work together to change the virual dpi to one that will look okay

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|Torg|:

its also dropping pixles from my end monitos (I expectd it to) to make the thing rectangular

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kormoc:

Doesn't drop anything on mine...

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kormoc:

so you don't want it to scale the window when moving it around?

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|Torg|:

mostly I dont care about that, I want teh dpi to adjust tho

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kormoc:

to adjust what?

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|Torg|:

otheise I can se imperfectiosn in fonts

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kormoc:

have you tried forcing 100 dpi fonts?

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|Torg|:

no, ill try that later on

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|Torg|:

I have 75 and 100 now

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|Torg|:

this isnt for myth btw :)

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|Torg|:

that and ill put DPI implcitly for each monitor, edid is pickig it up now

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|Torg|:

anyways I gota go, bedtime

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DGnome:

Anyone seen information on CAM:s anywhere? I'm looking for a Conax CAM that can cope with more than two simultaneous streams.

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juski:

information on CAMs sadly only tends to be "get yer CAMs here. roll up & get your CAMs here"

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anykey_:

DGnome: maybe you could ask the developers of Conax directly?

[06:52:19]

DGnome:

anykey_: something tells me they wont tell me :)

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DGnome:

nobody even seems to understand what multiple streams mean

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DGnome:

a local dvb* dealer did'nt even understand what it meant :D

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anykey_:

DGnome: well I'm sure the conax devs do ;)

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DGnome:

anykey_: asking Conax means that you get to talk to people who specialize in marketing bullshit

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juski:

DGnome: I take it you're having problems with multirec because of your CAM

[06:54:53]

DGnome:

yeah, we at osp.fi :)

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merlin_:

juski, I'm not sure if I missed you this morning before you left. Thanks for helping me with the transcode issue. I had to change the transcode from rtjpeg to mpeg4 and my problem went away

[06:55:18]

juski:

yeah I saw. no problem :)

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merlin_:

would you happen to know if mythbackend is straceable, I'm not having much luck with that

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juski:

it is

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DGnome:

anykey_ && juski :: the problem is that this is a very new concept to everybody except those who use dvb under linux...

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juski:

DGnome: I expect the manufacturers of CAMs don't envision a multirec kind of scenario ;)

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IamEthos:

I get an error at startup saying that my browser can't display at the full frame rate at 1280x800

[06:57:27]

IamEthos:

*mythfrontend, not my browser, sorry

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merlin_:

ok, something must be wrong with mine, I get strace long enough for it to load libs, but then it stops early and I never see it open files or connect to sql to the my master backend

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merlin_:

it ends early with upeek: ptrace(PTRACE_PEEKUSER, ... ): Input/output erro

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juski:

DGnome: maybe a good place to start would be the VDR guys – I mean they've been taking whole transports for longer than anybody else

[06:58:06]

juski:

they'll no doubt have more experience with CAMs in that situation :)

[06:58:08]

DGnome:

juski: mmh, i fear that.. A solution is to buy a license from Conax and do som softcam mumbojumbo

[06:58:19]

juski:

mythtv will never support a softcam

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DGnome:

juski: Yeah, i was heading to their mailinglists right now

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DGnome:

juski: I know, but byuing a license and doing it like every other STB does is very legal

[06:59:06]

juski:

can't generally get away with saying 'mythtv will never' but in this case I think it's a safe bet

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IamEthos:

would it be better to use a lower resolution to get the full frame rate? or deal with dropped frames at 1280x800

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merlin_:

basically, I'm trying to debug: Unable to connect to database! | Driver error was [1/2002]: when I run mythbackend as user mythtv on my slave backend

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juski:

IamEthos: install proper video drivers – preferably ones which support Xv

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merlin_:

and it works fine when I run as root. I may end up switching to root if I have to, but it was working as mythtv, as shipped in the package this morning :)

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IamEthos:

juski, does fglrx not support Xv?

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merlin_:

fglrx does, I use it

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juski:

might've known you had ATI crap :)

[07:02:12]

merlin_:

for me, it's just my laptop, where I didn't get to pick. Thankfully AMD is releasing the specs now

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juski:

they bring capable systems to their knees. 3Ghz machines unable to play standard def. TV

[07:02:58]

** juski isn't holding his breath for decent open source ATI drivers just yet **

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merlin_:

oh, great... (wouldn't know, I have nvidia in all my desktop machines :) )

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IamEthos:

juski, mine is a laptop too

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juski:

sometimes people with ati get lucky & stuff just works

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juski:

all too often though – that's not the case

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ShockValue:

im not convinced that you ever just get lucky with linux

[07:04:10]

ShockValue:

you either have a clue, are good at following directions, or things dont work.

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ShockValue:

im ok at following directions. so things work sometimes :)

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IamEthos:

merlin_, how do I get Xv working?

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merlin_:

worked for me by default

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IamEthos:

and while we're at it, if you've got TV-out working, that'd be splendid.

[07:05:14]

merlin_:

I haven't tried yet

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merlin_:

although it's supposed to work the binary driver, but it really depends on what ati chip you have. There are so many...

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IamEthos:

merlin_, radeon mobility 9100

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merlin_:

I have FireGL V5200, they're just all different. Sorry that I can't help you much with the details for yours

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IamEthos:

merlin_, the xorg.conf file for enabling Xv doesn't stay the same?

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merlin_:

it doesn't have anything specific about xv

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defaultro:

hey folks, do you know where I can watch CSI NY online? My recording didn't start on time

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defaultro:

so I think, I missed like 5 mins

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defaultro:

the ending part

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p1mrx:

got NTP?

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defaultro:

that's what I'm checking now

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defaultro:

found out my firewall wasn;t allow port 123

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defaultro:

just ran it and time didn't change much at all

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linagee:

help! my myth box ran out of datra like 4 days ago. :( bah.

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linagee:

data

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defaultro:

i don't know what really happened

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defaultro:

ran out of data?

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defaultro:

that's new to me

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linagee:

defaultro: it ran out of free xmltv data

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defaultro:

ah

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linagee:

defaultro: my trial period expired. :(

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linagee:

lol

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linagee:

defaultro: you have to pay now, right? :(

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defaultro:

:)

[07:22:13]

defaultro:

i payed

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defaultro:

last week

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defaultro:

$15 for 6 months

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linagee:

defaultro: send me the data! (j/k)

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defaultro:

sure

[07:22:35]

defaultro:

it's no problem with me

[07:22:36]

linagee:

defaultro: oh wait.... shoot

[07:22:39]

defaultro:

i can mysqldump it

[07:22:43]

linagee:

defaultro: it would be for your area, wouldn't it? LOL

[07:22:53]

defaultro:

but problem is I only have one channel that i selected,

[07:23:00]

linagee:

defaultro: ??????

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linagee:

defaultro: you paid $15 to get 1 channel of data? lol

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defaultro:

i don't think it will match yours too

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defaultro:

just paypal it

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defaultro:

and your myth should be happy again

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linagee:

defaultro: i'm not even running the latest rev of code. :(

[07:24:30]

defaultro:

it is so easy to update

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defaultro:

took me 10 mins

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linagee:

defaultro: and my rpm is broken on the box. :(

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defaultro:

ok

[07:24:43]

linagee:

er, yum is broken

[07:24:44]

defaultro:

i never use rpm

[07:24:47]

linagee:

nfi why. grrr

[07:24:54]

defaultro:

most of the time, i use tar.gz

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linagee:

defaultro: i'd have to manually do each rpm package! :P

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linagee:

lol

[07:25:04]

defaultro:

when I am lazy, i use rpm

[07:25:21]

linagee:

defaultro: what if i install the new rev and it fscks my box? :(

[07:25:30]

linagee:

defaultro: i have no monitor to the recording box and don't use the front end

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defaultro:

hmmm, i don't think so

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defaultro:

then ssh to it

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linagee:

just mythweb

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defaultro:

then mythweb it

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linagee:

i can install the new version and cross my fingers.... heh

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defaultro:

how were you able to install mythweb

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linagee:

i put a monitor on there, configured it up, then took it off. :)

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defaultro:

you have weak heart

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defaultro:

:P

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defaultro:

then put it back on

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defaultro:

install 0.20.2

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linagee:

defaultro: too late at night

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defaultro:

don't do it tonight

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linagee:

defaultro: i miss my shows. :(

[07:27:16]

defaultro:

i don't like rpm because I'm dependent on those people that make rpm

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defaultro:

that's why I always use tar.gz

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linagee:

defaultro: it was so reliable before

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defaultro:

or better, svn update

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defaultro:

so u saying myth isn't reliable now

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defaultro:

c'mon

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linagee:

defaultro: in the sense of the tv listing feeds. ;)

[07:28:11]

defaultro:

c'mon, where have you been hiding

[07:28:21]

linagee:

i've known

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defaultro:

it's been 20 days since that happened

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defaultro:

and it's a bigger news than 9/11

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linagee:

i guess i had 20 days of data

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defaultro:

you should have known it

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defaultro:

:)

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linagee:

or 14 days + 4 days of me going, "where's my shows? :("

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linagee:

(2 weeks)

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defaultro:

just pay for it

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defaultro:

this guys have spent their time figuring out how to give us data

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linagee:

defaultro: tv is bad for you. maybe i can just live without it for a while.

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merlin_:

$15/6 months is pretty cheap

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defaultro:

and at their own free time

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merlin_:

"just pay for it" :)

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defaultro:

linagee, what do you mean?

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defaultro:

that's what I told him, pay for $15/6 month

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linagee:

defaultro: tv rots the brain. :)

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defaultro:

ok, what's the point?

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defaultro:

are you saying that I'm too much into tv?

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** linagee reads a book. :) **

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defaultro:

lol

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linagee:

defaultro: ack! my xmltv feed to my book just got shut off!

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linagee:

all the pages just went blank. hehe

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

maybe you need to pay 15c/60 pages

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linagee:

defaultro: what's funny is if they did that with an e-ink book. "we're sorry. your license to this book has expired. *blank pages*"

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defaultro:

sorry, i don't understand those

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linagee:

doesn't exist yet

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defaultro:

i'm new here in u.s.

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defaultro:

so i don't understand your analogies

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defaultro:

still learning :)

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linagee:

e-ink will be like a digital black and white display, but on paper itself

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defaultro:

oh, that would be cool

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defaultro:

i don't like that though. if it runs out of batt, it's dead

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linagee:

it only uses power to change the state of the ink

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linagee:

defaultro: it's like little tiny balls with black on one side, white on the other, and they are magnetized.

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defaultro:

i have to see it, having a hard time visualizing it

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linagee:

http://www.eink.com/

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linagee:

it seems like a prototype concept so far

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juski:

heh with that eink effort, battery life becomes more like years than hours :)

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linagee:

yep

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defaultro:

k

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linagee:

juski: if you had a book full of e-ink pages instead of an "e-ink display", battery life might be indefinite

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defaultro:

that's pretty cool

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linagee:

juski: you could have an e-ink book of like 50 pages and have it contain e-books of 500 pages. just flip it around or something

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defaultro:

that reminds be that I have look for a phone cooler than iphone. :) what's your suggestion folks?

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juski:

nothing is 'cooler' than the iPhone right now. I think there's a phone from Samsung which gives the iPhone a run for its money

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merlin_:

so can anyone suggest anything wrt my problem with mythbackend not initializing as the mythtv user? Unable to connect to database! Driver error was [1/2002]:

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linagee:

juski: ???

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defaultro:

ok

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linagee:

juski: 8525 is cooler

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linagee:

juski: iphone has crap internet

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linagee:

juski: 8525 has HSDPA

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defaultro:

what brand is that lina?

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merlin_:

I just wish strace would tell me WTF it's trying to do where it's failing :-/

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linagee:

defaultro: cingular?

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just_joe:

is there anything special to do for a frontend?

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juski:

well for me, a phone is something I make calls on from time to time & send/receive text messages

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defaultro:

phone brand i mean

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linagee:

defaultro: or not really cingular, but HTC rebranded

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defaultro:

is it nokia?

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linagee:

defaultro: no. it says cingular 8525 on the phone

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defaultro:

oh

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juski:

I don't need no stinking internet/wifi/music player/photo viewer/camera

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linagee:

defaultro: it's a rebadged HTC TyTn

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defaultro:

i was hoping i can find on internet that's open and will work with tmobile

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juski:

merlin_: if mythbackend is crashing, the best thing to do would be to build mythtv with debugging symbols & run it under gdb

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juski:

same goes for mythfrontend

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linagee:

juski: just run it through valgrind! :)

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linagee:

juski: i think valgrind would be good at finding runtime errors, but i don't know much more beyond that

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merlin_:

strace is your friend for a problem like that

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juski:

ah yes but developers don't want to see valgrind stuff – only proper, real backtraces

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merlin_:

it just looks like the ubuntu build is preventing strace from giving me enough info

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merlin_:

I guess I will have to rebuild like juski is recommending

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juski:

in your case, where you're using packages the logs would be a better place to look

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linagee:

juski: depends if you're a developer or a user.

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juski:

although most init scripts for mythbackend don't do much logging but that's easily changed

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merlin_:

but mythbackend isn't crashing, it's just failing to talk to the remote database when started as a user, and suceeds when run as root. Very puzzling...

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defaultro:

merlin, ah perms

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linagee:

juski: if you're a developer and running dev code, i'd check both. if you're a user, i'd check logs and hope the binary is stable. ;)

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juski:

merlin_: not puzzling at all – sounds more like a mysql privileges issue

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merlin_:

juski, I already have the logs, and it just tells me it can't access the remote database

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defaultro:

yep, that's simple to fix

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merlin_:

and if I re-run as root, it can

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juski:

merlin_: if I'd known that from the start I'd not have bothered telling you about gdb

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defaultro:

also the hostname is the tricky part there :)

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defaultro:

which account is failing? mythtv

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merlin_:

yet in both cases, it uses the same /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt with the same login and password and remote host

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merlin_:

yep, it fails as user mythtv

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defaultro:

just connect to mysql

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defaultro:

then update user set the first 10 fields to Y

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defaultro:

flush privileges it

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juski:

merlin_: well, try mysql -u mythtv -p$password -h $hostname_or_ip-address

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defaultro:

then also check the hostname that has been defined for mythtv

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defaultro:

since you said it was remote, it could be mythtv@10.1.1.1

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merlin_:

juski, that's always worked, and still worksk now

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juski:

if that doesn't work from your machine then you need to check/change the mysql privileges

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defaultro:

change your ip

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linagee:

juski: better talk to your DB Admin. :)

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linagee:

lol

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juski:

also make sure your machine hostnames are unique

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defaultro:

mythtv@localhost is just for that local machine

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defaultro:

merlin, try what juski said on the command line

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merlin_:

mysql doesn't care that my remote user is root or mythtv, right, it only cares that I connect as user mythtv with the right password, correct?

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defaultro:

it does

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juski:

merlin_: it does care

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juski:

that's what privileges are all about

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defaultro:

i just told you everything about the hostname

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merlin_:

actually, never mind, I just ran strace and my remote backend does not even send a single packet to the master backend

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merlin_:

when I run as mythtv

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juski:

merlin_: well, if it can't get into the database it won't be able to connect to the master BE

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defaultro:

why run strace, run tcpdump port 3306

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merlin_:

when I run as root, then a lot of traffic goes through and the connection works

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juski:

merlin_: all mythtv units find the master backend through the database

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merlin_:

juski, it's not trying to talk to a local database, it's only trying to talk to the remote mysql on the master backend, correct?

[07:47:50]

juski:

I mean as of NOW they do

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defaultro:

merlin, why don't you try first the command that juski wrote

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defaultro:

so that we can get to the next step

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juski:

merlin_: it doesn't matter where the database is

[07:48:11]

merlin_:

right, it's central and shared

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juski:

merlin_: the premise is this : locate the database. interrogate the database to find out where the master backend lives

[07:48:59]

merlin_:

right, that's that I thought happened

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juski:

remember on a frontend you don't tell it where the backend is, only where the mysql server is

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merlin_:

right

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merlin_:

there is no frontend problem though, the master backend (also frontend) still works fine

[07:49:53]

juski:

well duh yeah

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** merlin_ installing wireshark on slave backend, and getting some logs **

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juski:

stop pissing around with that

[07:50:48]

juski:

we're telling you what's up

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merlin_:

ok :)

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juski:

seems obvious that the user mythtv can only connect to the mysql server from one IP address

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juski:

if that isn't the case, then if I were you I'd look at the mysql.txt files on the slave backend

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juski:

namely /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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merlin_:

ok, just tried again with a dump on port 3306

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merlin_:

when run as mythtv, not a single packet goes out

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juski:

local mysql.txt files override others

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merlin_:

when run as root, it all works

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merlin_:

ah, let me check

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juski:

so compare /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt and /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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merlin_:

arrrrgggh!!! That was it

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juski:

ding ding!

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merlin_:

gargamel:/var/lib/mythtv/.mythtv# mv mysql.txt /tmp

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juski:

glad to be of service. I think we saved you a lot of time

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merlin_:

I didn't realize there was a second time that was being read and overrode the main config. No idea how it got there (wasn't there before)

[07:54:06]

juski:

$stuff happens sometimes

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merlin_:

and yes, you just allowed me to go to bed after 2H of trying to trace this down :)

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merlin_:

thanks

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** defaultro has learned enough about dormant overseeding. Time to go to bed too :D **

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juski:

this is gonna be a thing of the past come 0.21 anyway, what with the autodiscovery stuff

[07:55:17]

defaultro:

when is it going to come out?

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juski:

it's been a thorn in mythtv's side for too long :)

[07:55:22]

juski:

when it's ready!

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merlin_:

I'll file a bug with debian and ubuntu on that

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defaultro:

it's a security feature merlin

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juski:

I wouldn't go holding your breath though – there'll be at least one ffmpeg sync soon, and that generally holds things back a bit

[07:55:55]

defaultro:

:)

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merlin_:

their config is put in /etc, but the daemon they run gets overriden by the other file that something seems to drop in the mythtv homedir. No good

[07:56:19]

defaultro:

that's what you call obscurity

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juski:

merlin_: mythtv writes the file in ~/.mythtv

[07:56:34]

juski:

it never even looks in /etc/mythtv AFAIK

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merlin_:

I understand that local files override systemwide ones, but the deb package saves stuff in /etc/mythtv, so they're not in sync

[07:57:12]

defaultro:

congrats merlin!

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merlin_:

they should either drop the systemwide file that's not read, or put out a warning and launch time that the system file is being shadowed

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juski:

and if you think that's a bug you should've been around before ubuntu packages told you what the randomised mysql password was & where it's stored. oh boy

[07:57:18]

defaultro:

I need to go to bed to

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merlin_:

I don't even want to ask :)

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juski:

merlin_: well, sufficient to say we had a _lot_ of users coming in here with database access problems

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juski:

it got very tiresome telling everybody to look in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt believe me

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merlin_:

I can imagine. Packages like that aren't helping anyone :(

[07:59:13]

juski:

and to think the problem was all down to them trying to make life easier ;)

[07:59:17]

merlin_:

just making _your_ life suckier

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juski:

we got it fixed though, and that's the main thing. well, that and the autodiscovery stuff

[07:59:54]

merlin_:

then again, they just did the same thing for pulseaudio, which is disappointing from debian/ubuntu (pulseaudio is 100% not working out of the box)

[08:00:27]

merlin_:

(and the author is a bit annoyed with the bug reports). Autodiscovery sounds cool indeed.

[08:00:53]

merlin_:

(I used to be a packager, and I'm still a developer, so I tend to care more than the average person :) )

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juski:

it'll bring its own set of problems to the party no doubt, but hopefully in the majority of cases it'll just work(tm)

[08:01:12]

merlin_:

best of luck with that.

[08:01:49]

merlin_:

Ok, now I'm making progress. A few more problems to find, making xine actually work, and I may soon have a reasonably working config.

[08:02:02]

merlin_:

I might be back here :) Thanks again for the tips

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just_joe:

im trying to configure a frontend box and it isnt working

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just_joe:

anybody here done that?

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just_joe:

it keeps acting like the master server but says no tuner is availible

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tim9431:

ok ive got myth up and running how i want but one thing...its all static until i change the channel

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asd:

new knoppmythtv is blotchy

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asd:

seems to be running at 50hz, instead of 60hz which is causing it

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juski:

asd: #knoppmyth

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GreyFoxx:

SWeet the listings price is down again!

[11:10:54]

GreyFoxx:

and google checkout for the "I hate paypal" people :)

[11:11:22]

juski:

pfft. I hardly think google checkout will placate folks who hate paypal :)

[11:11:31]

juski:

google is teh evils!

[11:11:42]

GreyFoxx:

many of them wanted it as an option so Robert added it

[11:11:59]

GreyFoxx:

for the price is now $20 , second drop in a week

[11:12:06]

juski:

they hate paypal but wanted google checkout? go figure

[11:12:41]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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juski:

what kind of crazy is this? reconditioned apple mac mini for £100 more than the same model brand new, albeit with a dvd rewriter fitted

[11:20:26]

juski:

looks like I'm best off going to the Apple store in person

[11:20:54]

slaine_:

You going for a mac mini after all then juski ?

[11:21:11]

juski:

esp. when amazon are doing a 1.66ghz core2 duo model for only £20 less than Apple sell a 1.8Ghz core2 duo for

[11:21:26]

juski:

yeah I reckon I am

[11:21:47]

juski:

I can hack my remote to send more than just 6 buttons using apple remote codes

[11:21:59]

juski:

it'll do TV out, and it'll play HD

[11:22:18]

juski:

ok so I won;t see the benefit until I get a HDTV but hey

[11:23:00]

juski:

by the time I upgrade my TV, ffmpeg will be fully multithreaded & well into mythtv

[11:26:35]

juski:

so – caveats of the mac mini then... I gather the onboard graphics are ATI, and ATI TV out in linux is er.. oops

[11:26:52]

juski:

so I'd be running mythfrontend in OS X, which can be umm... fun to build

[11:28:40]

juski:

it's also kinda heartbreaking to put by far & away the fastest machine I've ever owned under the TV

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juski:

oh wait. it's intel graphics, not ATI. hmmm

[11:34:54]

juski:

screw it. seen the prices on ebay. I won't lose much money if it's not suitable

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GreyFoxx:

Cool. My ISP bumped our cable modem speed .

[11:35:13]

GreyFoxx:

Well if anything it will speed my access to my office

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jduggan_:

juski: ive considered the macmini also, very cheap – let me know how you get on :o

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jduggan_:

juski: any idea on their noise levels?

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GreyFoxx:

I've been using one as a desktop for a while now. IT's nice, small and quiet

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GreyFoxx:

I should get around to try and build myth on it if only to see how hard is

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juski:

wonder if the local apple store keeps the tv out cable in stock

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laga:

juski: you might be able to use the mac mini as a terminal server so you can take advantage of its speed on your desktop. or as a build server at leastz

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juski:

it'd make a superb desktop machine if it had dual monitor outputs

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laga:

it doesn't? :/

[12:04:06]

laga:

i should have got one last year when i bought the new box.

[12:04:20]

laga:

i don't use the VGA card much and it's noisy.

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juski:

they should give discount for buying more than one at the same time. I want 2

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juski:

I could live with just one monitor

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** BULLE wants n+1 monitors **

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Sedorox:

GreyFoxx: you still using the msntv2 as a frontend?

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** jduggan_ wants a tri monitor now **

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** laga wants a good monitor **

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laga:

but i'll justn stick with the TN panel for now

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laga:

i also want a better keyboard or better fingers :/

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kslater:

how about a concave wide screen monitor?

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kslater:

or is it convex?

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laga:

concav

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laga:

e

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kslater:

I have 2 20" LCD panels

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kslater:

1 for irc/web browser, 1 for IDE to code in

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desidany:

I have installed mythtv on ubuntu 7.04 (upgraded with the latest version 0.20.2.. I have strange problem when watching live TV.. every 5 minutes the LiveTV freezes..

[12:33:55]

desidany:

I can go back to "Watch LiveTV" menu and start watching the TV again

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jduggan_:

anything in logs?

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kslater:

it doesn't so much freeze as it stops?

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desidany:

only I get "preview error" when I look at the backend logs..

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GreyFoxx:

Sedorox: Yes and no. I rebuilt my entire backend/frontend setups last weekend, but haven't reinstalled my msntv stuff yet. Gonna do that this weekend

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kslater:

desidany – you do have your live tv buffer on a partition with enough space, yes?

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desidany:

yes.. there is ample space.. and buffer setup

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laga:

GreyFoxx: can your msntvs do pxe out of the box or do you need etherboot?

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desidany:

when I schedule recordings and watch later it seems OK..

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desidany:

the problem only happens when watching LiveTV.

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GreyFoxx:

laga: Neither, but our hacked bios will load a kernel and cmdline file from the CF card on the box. I tell that it's ip and to nfsroot to my other box

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kslater:

and both recording types write to the same space?

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desidany:

yes.. both recording writes to the same space..

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laga:

GreyFoxx: ah, nice. you avoid the whole tftp thing that way

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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kslater:

desidany – have you tried running both the frontend and backend from separate xterms to see if anything interesting shows up?

[12:40:29]

desidany:

no I haven't .. .thanks for the tip..

[12:41:00]

desidany:

I was wondering if anybody seem similar problem before I start getting my hands dirty. :)

[12:42:29]

kslater:

there are some pretty experienced people listening in. Once in a great while I give a decent suggestion. They usually jump in and provide answers if they have one

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loops:

is there a way to manually clear the job queue?

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kslater:

there's a dangerous way

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GreyFoxx:

heh looks like it's finally hit the users list that SD price has dropping yet again :)

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GreyFoxx:

wont how many emails/threads will spawn from mthis :)_

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loops:

don't want to do anything dangerous :)

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kslater:

loops: what's the job that you want to remove?

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loops:

kslater, well there's a bunch of completed jobs, and a few failed jobs..

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loops:

kslater, i've dealt with them all so i'd just like to "start fresh"

[12:45:29]

kslater:

isn't there a way to do that via the frontend interface somehow?

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loops:

kslater, i see that you can delete completed jobs, but there's no way to delete failed jobs (seems you can only reschedule them)

[12:45:43]

loops:

kslater, yeah, that's what i was hoping

[12:45:45]

kslater:

ah

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kslater:

there is a table with the jobs in it, but mucking with the database when you don't know what you're doing isn't wise.

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loops:

kslater, yeah :o/ i was really looking for something from the frontend

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desidany:

found a strange issue with LiveTV freezing when EIT scanner is updating ..

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desidany:

after disabling EIT scanner updates the LiveTV freezing stops..

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desidany:

anybody seen similar problems?

[13:32:03]

desidany:

I am using Ubuntu 7.04 with latest updates 0.20.2..

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laga:

completely freezing or just stuttering?

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desidany:

complete freeze.. I have to get back to "Watch LiveTV" menu and come back to start the LiveTV again..

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laga:

odd.

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laga:

:/

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laga:

is there anything in the logs?

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desidany:

in the backend log it shows starting the EIT scanner ..

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laga:

i'd file a bug

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desidany:

I think i will do that. thanks

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spader3d_2:

hi all

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spader3d_2:

does this card work with mythtv? http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=DVRPC . . . -_-DVRPCI4CH

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kslater:

spader3d_2 – have you checked the linuxtv.org hardware lists?

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spader3d_2:

this card is for cameras and bases on the bttv878 ...

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directhex:

bt878

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directhex:

it's a lamegrabber

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spader3d_2:

i am checking the HW compatability list now

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directhex:

you know how you get software modems, which use your host CPU to do everything? and software RAID controllers, which use your host CPU to do everything? guess what a framegrabber is...

[14:34:02]

spader3d_2:

under which category does this one fall

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spader3d_2:

?

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directhex:

it's a software tv card. it has no capability, other than capturing a sequence of low resolution bitmaps which your host CPU needs to do something with

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spader3d_2:

DVB-S,C,T and ATSC ???

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spader3d_2:

ok that is what i needed to know

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kslater:

yep, it's none of the above

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spader3d_2:

if it is software based i will ahve problem recording right?

[14:35:59]

directhex:

dvb and atsc capture a pre-encoded mpeg2 transport stream, which usually just gets saved to disk (or sometimes re-containered, e.g. by windows media center)

[14:36:04]

directhex:

spader3d_2, definitely

[14:36:58]

spader3d_2:

are there any card with 4-inputs and hardware enabled to record?

[14:37:19]

directhex:

spader3d_2, it has no tuners. so you need 4 cable boxes or sattelite STBs or something, to connect to it. and a fast CPU, to record a low quality capture from the inputs in a format like rtjpeg

[14:37:30]

directhex:

there are no *real* 4-input cards, no

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kslater:

you could use 2 PVR-500's maybe?

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spader3d_2:

yes that is what my intension is ... to hook up satellite boxes

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directhex:

the pvr-150 (and its dual-tuner version the pvr-500) has an mpeg2 encoder on board, turns what it receives into mpeg2 before your host system sees it

[14:39:11]

kslater:

very low hit on the cpu – obviously

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directhex:

typically what it receives is an analog feed from an SD cable or satellite box

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spader3d_2:

does it has the capability to control the stb remotely?

[14:40:34]

directhex:

not itself. if you're lucky, it's possible to control your STB over a wire protocol (e.g. if it has an rs232 port on it)

[14:40:52]

directhex:

if not, you need to use an IR Blaster, which emulates a remote control and sends channel change button presses

[14:41:09]

directhex:

both of the above involve use of extra hardware, be it from an onboard serial port or usb port

[14:41:39]

kslater:

what type of satellite box are we talking about?

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spader3d_2:

can i use my MediaMVP with it? Do I have to change the channels with the remote control of the MediaMVP or the one of the STB?

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directhex:

an ir blaster pretends to be a remote

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directhex:

so if you want to record something from channel 9, myth will use your channel change script and ask for channel 9 – the script will send out the IR signals that equate to pressing the right buttons on a real remote – e.g. 0009 ENTER

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spader3d_2:

ok...but what if i want to see e.g. the guide of the stb? Can I mod the s cript to get that or others codes?

[14:47:23]

directhex:

if you're using an STB with myth, you won't be using it normally anymore

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directhex:

you access myth's guide, not the one on your STB

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directhex:

the STB essentially becomes an oversized box to receive channels, nothing more

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spader3d_2:

i am asking because the goal is to share dish

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spader3d_2:

so i thought by using a splitter to like 3 stb and then mythtv and Mediamvp i can let someone via ip control one of the stb

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directhex:

mythtv is not software to control an STB

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directhex:

mythtv IS an STB

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frankdivita:

am absolute newbie at both linux and mythtv but am determined to give up W. what distro should i use that would be the easiest install?

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laga:

frankdivita: hum.

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kslater:

nor will it allow you to get more than one channel at a time if you're talking about Dish or DirecTV as the satellite provider

[14:54:11]

directhex:

frankdivita, as a desktop box, or a mythtv-specific box?

[14:54:16]

laga:

knoppmyth, mythdora if you're looking for mythtv. probably ubuntu if you're looking for a desktop as well

[14:54:41]

directhex:

very humble of you there, laga!

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frankdivita:

myth tv specific.

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laga:

directhex: ?

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directhex:

laga, you're meant to be pushing mythbuntu on people!

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spader3d_2:

kslater the other side only need one channel

[14:55:43]

laga:

directhex: it's still alpha. i won't recommend alpha software to "absolute newbies"

[14:56:04]

spader3d_2:

at a time and when the ability to change the channel of the stb

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kslater:

not sure I understand? you want to allow multiple people to see the same channel?

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spader3d_2:

no.... i want to allow people to control "their stb" remotely?

[14:57:27]

spader3d_2:

in order to share satellite dish

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directhex:

spader3d_2, mythtv is not software to control an STB, mythtv IS an stb. a multi-user multi-"tuner" one, but it's not designed to let you access any of your stb's functions, other than acting as a basic tuner box

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frankdivita:

thanks laga, im going to try knoppmyth first. im sure i'll be back with lots of questions...

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directhex:

spader3d_2, mythtv has its own guide and own functionality. what type of tuners you have (atsc, satellite boxes, cable boxes, whatever) is irrelevant. you don't have "1 person 1 stb", you have "a mythtv setup with lots of tuners that multiple people can access"

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spader3d_2:

ok .. then can all these people access all channels on all the tunetrs?

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directhex:

spader3d_2, right

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ali1234:

*assuming your network has enough bandwidth

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spader3d_2:

i need like one tuner for each transponder

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directhex:

ali1234, nobody smart uses wireless, and he's not gonna saturate 100mbit with SD

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ali1234:

that assumes he isn't already using the network for something else though...

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directhex:

spader3d_2, life would be much easier if you could legally just use a CAM and DVB-S card rather than mucking around with STBs

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spader3d_2:

that is the thing....life is not easier on this side

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spader3d_2:

i need to get a very big dish to get the channels

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spader3d_2:

this is why i am thinking is a methos to share the dish

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directhex:

do you have a contractual obligation from your satellite provider to use their provided STB?

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spader3d_2:

they are FTA receivers

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directhex:

FTA? then why the buggeryfuck use STBs? you could save a metric tonne of power & effort by just using multiple DVB-S cards

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spader3d_2:

i thought about that too but what about the features of the stb that the dvb-s do not have

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directhex:

such as?

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kslater:

besides the fact that you won't get those features if you put mythtv in front of the stb and the end users..

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AndyCap:

directhex: not sucking when browsing/organizing 2000 channels. :P

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directhex:

yes, besides that

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directhex:

AndyCap, when have you ever seen an STB that doesn't suck for that? O_o

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directhex:

spader3d_2, mythtv is not software to control an STB, mythtv IS an stb. a multi-user multi-"tuner" one, but it's not designed to let you access any of your stb's functions, other than acting as a basic tuner box

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directhex:

spader3d_2, mythtv has its own guide and own functionality

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AndyCap:

directhex: dreambox's neutrino/enigma software + a gui editor is pretty nice actually.

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spader3d_2:

ok

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directhex:

AndyCap, svn.mythtv.org, get to work!

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directhex:

spader3d_2, which functionality specifically do you want?

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AndyCap:

directhex: I know, I know.

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AndyCap:

bad AndyCap, no biscuit.,

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AndyCap:

but yeah, putting myth in front of a stb is even suckier..

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directhex:

i can't understand for the ilfe of me why you'd do it for FTA

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AndyCap:

no good reasons I can think of.

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spader3d_2:

tha main isssue is not FTA but it is the cost of satellite dishes

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directhex:

spader3d_2, that doesn't answer the question. what functionality do you think you will have with multiple STBs but not with direct DVB-S connections?

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AndyCap:

dual or quad LNB's are fairly cheap as well

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spader3d_2:

you may need the ability to control the stb

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spader3d_2:

even if it is FTA

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AndyCap:

spader3d_2: uhh. no. you have complete control over a DVB-S card

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directhex:

spader3d_2, why? please just say WHY

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directhex:

spader3d_2, what does an STB give you that DVB-S doesn't? other than a worthless box

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** AndyCap 's money is on some pirate software.. **

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ali1234:

STBs use a lot less power and are quieter than a PC of similar price

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directhex:

ali1234, four STBs connected to a PC uses less totoal power than an STB?

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directhex:

i mean than a PC

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directhex:

sorry

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|Torg|:

not all ali1234, the std is also a dedicated piece of hardware is is closer to your tuner card then the whole myth box

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ali1234:

four stbs + 1 pc < 4 pcs + 4 dvb cards

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AndyCap:

ali1234: 1 pc, 4 cards..

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directhex:

ali1234, erm, we weren't discussing that...?

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|Torg|:

I stb donst have telnet, ssh, or http

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spader3d_2:

let put it this way then.....is it possible to stream the lnb signal to a stb?

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: mine does.. :P

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ali1234:

i thought this guy wanted to allow multiple people to watch different channels?

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|Torg|:

a stb box is not user configurable, does not have themes, and only works with one provider

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: mine does. :P

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|Torg|:

given the number of dishnet stbs I have, I dont really support the word work and stb much

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laga:

rotfl

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laga:

you guys rock.

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directhex:

|Torg|, answer spader3d_2's latest question. you've got more sat experience than me

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AndyCap:

spader3d_2: why would you want to do that? LNB – DVB-s card – mythtv frrontends.

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|Torg|:

actually you do laga, my kubu works great now

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|Torg|:

stream a lnb signal toa stb? umm thats what they do

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AndyCap:

spader3d_2: what's so amazing with the stb?

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|Torg|:

a LNB is the head unit stuck at the end of the arm on the dish

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directhex:

spader3d_2, please, please, please, please, please, WHY do you keep addnig an STB to the question? what are your magic STBs donig that makes you obsessed with using them?

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|Torg|:

a STB is a genral term for a tuner box

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|Torg|:

I think what he wants tho is what AndyCap said, a dvb-s card

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|Torg|:

of course they dont do encrytion

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directhex:

|Torg|, no shit. but he doesn't believe anyone telling him the fact

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: actually, he doesn't want to do exactly that, and we wonder why

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directhex:

|Torg|, he said he's using FTA

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|Torg|:

AHHHHHHHH

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spader3d_2:

yes FTA boxes

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|Torg|:

hes using a hacked illegal stb that does nagraor nds encrytion

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|Torg|:

they call those FTA boxes

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tank-man:

truth comes out

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directhex:

spader3d_2, you stealing satellite?

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spader3d_2:

I guess you can do that decryption with DVB-S card too right?

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directhex:

ah, yes, |Torg| is right

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|Torg|:

spader3d_2: if you want to connect an illegal stb, use sasc, or slave an access card we will not help you here

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AndyCap:

Haha: :14 * AndyCap 's money is on some pirate software..

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spader3d_2:

that is why i did not refer to that ... but still that is not my goal

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directhex:

AndyCap, i have faith in humanity. more fool me.

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AndyCap:

spader3d_2: so, what is your goal?

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spader3d_2:

my goal is to share dishes!!!!

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|Torg|:

spader3d_2: we do not deal in illegal activities here, but there is more then enogh informaiton freely avialble via google

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AndyCap:

ah, more pirating.

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spader3d_2:

I said that several times already

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directhex:

spader3d_2, no it isn't

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|Torg|:

I share dishes, we call it Sunday dinner :)

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spader3d_2:

jejejejejeje

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AndyCap:

family style

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directhex:

spader3d_2, "sharing dishes" doesn't do anything. if you want multiple people to access things from a dish, thats another thing entirely

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|Torg|:

what you are talking about spader3d_2 is called a diseq, mythtv (without modification) does not support cascading switches

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spader3d_2:

I know ....

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|Torg|:

additioanlly some dvb cards have issue with voltage and switching, as do most of the illegal FTA boxes

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spader3d_2:

I never refer to anything else then that

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AndyCap:

then you nead a quad or quattro lnb, and some splitters and combiners and tuners for everyone sharing.

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spader3d_2:

the processing of the signal should be taken out of the mythtv box in my opinion

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directhex:

spader3d_2, erm. why?

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spader3d_2:

the bosx will be used to stream to the frontends

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directhex:

spader3d_2, given it'll result in infinitely inferior image quality and user experience

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spader3d_2:

e.g. vlc will do the same maybe

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AndyCap:

spader3d_2: do you have any understanding of how tv technology works?

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|Torg|:

spader3d_2: do you understnad the format the signal is in what what compromises "processing" it?

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directhex:

spader3d_2, mythtv isn't what you think it is. this is the problem

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spader3d_2:

ok .. then it will not suite my goal ... right?

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directhex:

spader3d_2, your goal is broken. it won't directly do what you want to do

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|Torg|:

a tuner sends voltage (or tone, depends on diseq) to a switch, then tunes in a frequency (called transponders) and gets a digial stream with a whole BUNCH of channels

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directhex:

spader3d_2, but you don't have a goal – you have a process. your process is wrong

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|Torg|:

in that stream is informaotn on how to assemble back those pices into viable channels, its called a transport stream

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|Torg|:

so other then stripping out pids, there really is no "processing"

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: I think you need to start earlier. i.e. that you can't share a LNB with more than one tuner in a sane way etc.

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directhex:

spader3d_2, if you want multiple people to be able to watch tv from a single satelite dish, then you can do it with ease and joy using mythtv. if you want to make some bizzare hacked up pile of pirate STBs that people control via telnet, then no, mythtv is wrong for you

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|Torg|:

you can AndyCap its called a diseq switch

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|Torg|:

if all you want is to share the dish with more then one box, put in a diseq cascade, no software needed

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: uhh, not really. :) they let you put several lnb's on one tuner.

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|Torg|:

you can connect up to 16 feads from 4 sources I know offhand

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|Torg|:

AndyCap: you have it backwards, I assure you :)

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|Torg|:

some notable exceptions to that would be a ishnet backstnad which transposes frequencies

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georgek:

AndyCap, they sure do have diseqc switches to allow multiple recievers to share a common source

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|Torg|:

but mostly a tuner sends voltate to a switch saying flip one awy or antoher

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AndyCap:

georgek: not really anything to do with disecq.

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georgek:

diseqc is just a protocol to facillitate the sharing of a common source

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AndyCap:

LNB's can only be in one state (polarization / band) per output.

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|Torg|:

a LBS has one output, only one, and is connected to a disq which always and forever tunes that one lnb (more like listens to it)

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georgek:

...and there are bandstacked LNB's that don't use voltage to switch polarities.

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|Torg|:

if you look at say a dish500 you can open it, find two lnbs and a diseq inside, it is a sw21 to be exact

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|Torg|:

ppl THINK it has two outputs, in reality its the two oputputs of teh sw21

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spader3d_2:

directhex ... when e.g. 3 people are watching 3 different channels what would be the load on the network and on the pc?

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directhex:

spader3d_2, depends on the type of tv card. maybe 10mbit, 0.05 load, assuming dvb-s?

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spader3d_2:

wouldn't that be dif if you have tv tunercard instead of dvb-s cards?

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|Torg|:

and a LNB, unlink a LNC reads all transports on teh sat at once

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|Torg|:

err unlike

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AndyCap:

meh, where's the online doodle block when I need one.

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|Torg|:

it would be better if you simply got some diseq switches and connected the stbs you have

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|Torg|:

AndyCap: I think were talking about the same time, just from differnt angles

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juski:

hmmm looks like I won't be getting a mac mini this month

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directhex:

spader3d_2, dvb-s captures the *exact* signal sent though the sky. the quality seen by clients is exactly that sent out by satellite. that doesn't need much in the way of CPU load – the CPU isn't doing any work

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: well, I'm not going to comment on broken american technology again

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directhex:

juski, :(

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laga:

juski: :/

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|Torg|:

exact directhex, I wish

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juski:

should only take a couple of months to clear my overdraft

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directhex:

|Torg|, assuming perfect reception, sure? why not?

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|Torg|:

signal loss do to atmosphic degrdaion

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juski:

get a bigger dish then

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|Torg|:

the farther north you are, the more loss you get

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juski:

too many outfits are shipping dishes which are only marginal at the best of times anyway

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|Torg|:

juski I get about 87% snr, *MY* reception isnt a issue

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directhex:

juski, what's wrong with a sky minidish? :o

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|Torg|:

and it works great, just not *exact* :P

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georgek:

heh

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juski:

directhex: nothing, apart from Sky techs can't do much more than a 'yep – it works' setup

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juski:

installed by competent personnel a minidish may well be enough, but not on the majority of installs I've seen

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|Torg|:

a bag of rock salt next to that tree that blocxking you works, not that I suggest you do that :P

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kslater:

how about a copper nail?

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juski:

lost signal – oo it must be 'weather'

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|Torg|:

ssh kslater dont give all the secrets out :P

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laga:

poor tree :/

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juski:

funny thing is that a lot of Sky customers just seem to take it as a fact of life. i'd be rather annoyed that the signal goes & I can't watch TV – let alone the fact that you can't even watch a recording when the signal's gone!

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|Torg|:

the issue, very baiscly, is that the signal has to pass though our atmosphere and water vapor acts as a lens and distorts that signal (scatters it mostly)

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kslater:

also true of ATSC broadcasts

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|Torg|:

teh sats we talk to (not the one the military flys to spy on us) it in geosync orbit above the equator

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kslater:

ask me how I know

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laga:

after we've taken care of the trees, let's kill the atmosphere

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|Torg|:

the fater tyou are from that equator the more scatter you get

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|Torg|:

and yes kslater, quite true

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juski:

yeah but if the dish was hastily setup (and most are) by incompetent people (and most are), it'd be slightly off centre anyway

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juski:

so any atmospheric losses are only compounded

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directhex:

kslater, i live relatively near to a miltary base. our DVB-T signal appears mysteriously dreadful, given antenna direction & distance

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kslater:

laga, there are more trees in the state that I live in now, than when Penn was tramping around

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juski:

of course digital setups are more tricky to align than analogue ones were – without proper gear I mean

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: umm, it's not like there's that much more vatervapor going up from 750km to 36000km

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kslater:

I live in Penn's Woods

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|Torg|:

directhex if that miltary base is distoring your sat signal, your tv is the last thing I would worry about

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directhex:

|Torg|, arial, not sat. i'm considering sat as a solution

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|Torg|:

AndyCap: its not "just" water vapor, its just that water does the most distortion

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juski:

the ionosphere prolly plays a part too

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|Torg|:

actuallyu its the magntophere

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AndyCap:

solar activty and whatnot

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juski:

well yeah

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|Torg|:

yes

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juski:

but heavy cloud never helps ;)

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|Torg|:

solar activity does probbly the worst damange

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|Torg|:

nor does thunderstroms

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|Torg|:

altho echostars soltuoin to that wzs to simply cook us (err boost) the signal

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AndyCap:

but, weather is a problem for any satelltie.

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|Torg|:

not ANY, jsut the ones we use for tv :)

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juski:

which you can help alleviate by using the right size dish & align it properly, and use the best cable & connectors you can afford

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: yeah, you try taking a photo through clouds?

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AndyCap:

juski: and keep water out of the connectors.

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directhex:

i think we bored spader3d_2 to death

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|Torg|:

AndyCap: umm no comment

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juski:

AndyCap: of course. self-amalgamating tape ftw!

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spader3d_2:

i am here!

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|Torg|:

I think he realised wer went going to tell him how to steal signal

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spader3d_2:

reading and thinkin

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spader3d_2:

"how to steal signal" ????????

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directhex:

|Torg|, no, but the LNB stuff is interesting for me since i'm consideing satelite

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spader3d_2:

are YOU stealing signal?

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|Torg|:

me? no im a dishnet customer

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** AndyCap steals photons from the sun **

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directhex:

i'm a top-up tv customer. me and six other people

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spader3d_2:

me too

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AndyCap:

uses them to look at porn

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spader3d_2:

how are you going to tell me how to steal signal without knowing howto?

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AndyCap:

...

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spader3d_2:

jejejejeje

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laga:

well

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laga:

you can know how to "steal signal" but you dont have to do it :)

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|Torg|:

spader3d_2: what I know HOW to do, and what i DO are two differnt things

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directhex:

"so you've decided to steal cable..."

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spader3d_2:

exactly ....i agree with you and that goes fr me too

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AndyCap:

directhex: where's that from?

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Sedorox:

GreyFoxx: you need to do anything special with the IGED (?) driver anymore, or is it all included in Xorg/kernel now? I finally got time to play with mine again, got nfsroot setup, and I'm currently building an environment for it

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directhex:

AndyCap, the simpsons

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AndyCap:

directhex: ahh, right!

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AndyCap:

I knew it sounded familiar.

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AndyCap:

with Troy McClure

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spader3d_2:

directhex .. isn't that top-up tv customer "stealing"? dont get mad just a ?

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|Torg|:

you will proobly find downloading torrents of tv shows easier the hacking dvb cards,

[15:46:04]

directhex:

AndyCap, it was a pamphlet!

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: and then everyone can watch different shows with no tuners

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juski:

Sedorox: somebody over at the zenega forums was looking at making a small C program to prod registers to get the TV output worky on Intel graphics with FS454 TV encoders. Dunno if it ever got anywhere. they were basing their work on the xbox tvout enabler

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AndyCap:

directhex: doh!

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directhex:

spader3d_2, eh? no, i mean top-up has very few subscribers.

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juski:

TUTV has approx 70 thousand subs

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|Torg|:

directhex next time I tune one of the echo birds ill record teh piratetv channel for you :)

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juski:

probably less since they went 'anytime'

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directhex:

which, for £8 a month, is no cash at all

[15:46:57]

AndyCap:

directhex: so why are you one of them? is it any good?

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Sedorox:

juski: they got the tv out working at one point already... I think they also basied off of the xbox, as they are VERY similiar

[15:47:13]

directhex:

AndyCap, i wanted more tv!

[15:47:30]

AndyCap:

That's why I got more LNB's.

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spader3d_2:

you pay $8 a month??? Seriously?

[15:47:42]

juski:

Sedorox: time was when you needed to use the IEGD driver, which is a right chew on but not hard

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directhex:

AndyCap, the missus wanted uktv gold. and we wanted porn! except it's british porn, which means a man and woman look at each other and wink. and that's kinda it.

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AndyCap:

now I just need more language education.

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directhex:

spader3d_2, £8, not $8

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|Torg|:

8 popunts is more liek 16 us dollars

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/screenshots/pgosd1.png

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Sedorox:

juski: so I still need a seperate IEGD patch then?

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|Torg|:

not all people who watch tv live in the US :P

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kslater:

ah by $8 US is now $8 CA

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juski:

Sedorox: I don't know

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kslater:

s/by/but

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Sedorox:

juski: nice screenshot

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|Torg|:

juski whats the PIP :P

[15:48:44]

juski:

it's a long time since I played with my S100

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laga:

<3 s100

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AndyCap:

directhex: oh, that's what it is. judging from the headlines I thought british porn was PM's strangling themselves while well, you know.

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Sedorox:

s100?

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juski:

fine UK political tradition, autoerotic asphyxiation while wearing women's underwear. don't knock it til you've tried it :P

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|Torg|:

well you do know the color for porn and the coler for childrens shows is stikingly similar

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directhex:

AndyCap, britain is prudish. with laws to enforce prudishness. yankland is more prudish, but you can get away with more or less anyhthing on dvd

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|Torg|:

I figured its just a juski consoiracy

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AndyCap:

juski: i'll stop just short of expiring

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spader3d_2:

directhex ... and you have dishnetwork?

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directhex:

AndyCap, essentially it's illegal to broadcast "hard" porn (which earns an R18 rating). R18 material can only be bought in a licensed store, of which there are about 3k countrywide. and R18 is tame compared to what the rest of the world freely buys & sells

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juski:

directhex: well, we say we're more prudish yet strangely we have the highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe :-|

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AndyCap:

directhex: most fascinated by the fact that people can advertise porn until it gets prscribed

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|Torg|:

yes he steals it from echostar, bocues it off NSA birds and get ruper murdoch to give him a private feed

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AndyCap:

so you have a never-ending supply of new pron channels advertising in wotsat

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juski:

it's just not discussed in the open enough, that's all

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directhex:

spader3d_2, no, i have DVB-T, which i receive via an antenna (not a dish)

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directhex:

juski, the pregnancy rate is because sex is "naughty", and therefore a great thing for teens to do to be more naughty

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juski:

AndyCap: yeah WhatSat is about 6 pages of editorial, the other 70 pages are ads for porn

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|Torg|:

juski they do it here on my sirus radio, altho they refer to it as "marital aids"

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directhex:

spader3d_2, i have two DVB-T cards in myt mythtv box – one gets only free channels, one gets free channels plus paid top-up tv channels

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juski:

at least for TUTV you can buy a proper CAM

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AndyCap:

CAM's ftw!

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juski:

it's the only paytv service in the UK you _can_ get a CAM for legally

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directhex:

juski, i know! it might have wank all available, but at least it's LEGALLY available!

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AndyCap:

I wish Sky could be convinced to sell abroad. :(

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Sedorox:

so SD hit their mark of $20/year huh?

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juski:

I've had all the channels under the sun on cable, and believe me you're not missing anything

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|Torg|:

yes Sedorox, as of yesterday

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spader3d_2:

so getting a signal with a "STB" that is not provided by the provider is still "legal"?

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directhex:

juski, with satellite, i could get ahold of dodgy german hard porn, though!

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juski:

congratulations Schedules Direct!

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Sedorox:

nice

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Sedorox:

and I was just getting ready to register with them

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directhex:

spader3d_2, i don't use any STB at all. i will never use an STB. i will die before i use an STB

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|Torg|:

and like jsuki said, when I had over 500 channels availabel with "everytihng" I still only watched a few chanels I could get with basic cable and an antenna

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juski:

you can thank all the directors & the early adopters for that :)

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Sedorox:

I was finally able to hook my tuner back up (having no ground sucks, but the cable line is.. creates a bad situation)

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|Torg|:

hence my decsiosn to get rid of cable and get ATSC tuners cards

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|Torg|:

Sedorox: no ground or group loops?

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Sedorox:

no ground

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directhex:

spader3d_2, mythtv *IS* my STB. it directly receives signals via DVB cards. it does exactly what i need and want, and i can change it and bend it to suit my needs

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Sedorox:

old apartment with 2 wire to the outlets

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** AndyCap wants SciFi **

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juski:

when I was putting the data together for my channel wizard I was totally amazed by the amount of nondescript channels on UK satellite

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Sedorox:

so nothing was.. 'cept for the cable line, which I didn't want everything grounding over the cable line

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|Torg|:

Sedorox: I can fix that for you

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juski:

UK scifi had Heroes first. but, scifi is a 4:3 channel, so they were showing it letterboxed. nice :-\

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Sedorox:

the landlord finally had the electrican out this week, and replaced 90% of the wiring

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spader3d_2:

your 8 pounds STB!!!!

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Sedorox:

so now all my outlets are grounded, and I can hook it all back up :)

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directhex:

spader3d_2, i don;t use an STB.

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AndyCap:

SciFi is 4:3 and SkyNews is 16:9. eeww.

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juski:

the quality of Heroes on BBC2 is absolutely stunning compared to the shitty 4:3 letterboxes version

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|Torg|:

SciFi here is 4:3 still

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juski:

makes me wonder how good it is in HD

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spader3d_2:

mythtv + DVB-T + top-up feee + STB

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|Torg|:

ATSC Heros rocks

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spader3d_2:

mythtv + DVB-T + top-up feee + STB

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directhex:

spader3d_2, I DON'T USE AN STB. my provider, Top-Up TV, provide a CAM. a CAM is a card which fits into any compatible DVB receiver. i plug the CAM directly into my mythtv machine.

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|Torg|:

you want a 7G file juski :)

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spader3d_2:

mythtv + DVB-T + top-up feee = STB

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AndyCap:

well, I'd settle for BBC2, but got no room to put the dish up

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|Torg|:

what directhex does isnt illegal, but its not legal either

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juski:

I've seen the whole series now but I watch the Heroes Uncovered mini-docs. last one I saw was about Sylar

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directhex:

|Torg|, it's not legal?

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|Torg|:

its in teh grey area

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directhex:

|Torg|, why?

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|Torg|:

then of couse im not a UK citizen

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juski:

|Torg|: TopUpTV supply a CAM

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directhex:

|Torg|, there's no "approved list" for things i can plug a top-up CAM into

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|Torg|:

hmm, nice

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directhex:

|Torg|, it's a top-up tv branded SECA2 cam, on sale in stores near you

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|Torg|:

I wish nagra would make once ofr me :(

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juski:

|Torg|: you're thinking of using mythtv with Sky & a DVB-S card. Now they certainly don't supply CAMs to anybody meaning you have to use a 3rd party thing of dubious legality

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spader3d_2:

is it legal to put it into a cardsharing device?

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|Torg|:

NO!

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juski:

cardsharing is NAUGHTY

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spader3d_2:

ehat if i put it into my dreambox?

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|Torg|:

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

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AndyCap:

spader3d_2: you can't put cam's in a cardsharing device.. ( well perhaps someone could invent that. but I don't think so)

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laga:

your dreambox is not a cardsharing device by default, y'know.

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|Torg|:

what part of NO did you not understand?

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juski:

dreamboxes are naughty things masquerading as legit products too

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laga:

juski: huh?

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|Torg|:

I cant even see how you can call a dreambox legit

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spader3d_2:

well the CAM is yours right?

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directhex:

|Torg|, you think i'd use the shit that is top-up if it weren't legal?

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juski:

they're not sold as such but it doesn't take a degree in astrophysics to change that

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|Torg|:

directhex I dont jusdge people, do what you like :)

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AndyCap:

you do need reading and clicking 101

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juski:

it's like 'dreambox (wink!)'

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|Torg|:

and no spader3d_2 the CAM is not yours, and dont confuse that access cards with the CAM

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directhex:

|Torg|, http://www.superfi.co.uk/images/topuptvcam-550.JPG

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laga:

juski: it's a linux STB. same applies to tuxbox. your arguments remind of microsoft and their reasoning that everyone is a IP priate :)

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juski:

hey superfi! that's who sold me my AV receiver :)

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|Torg|:

directhex I BELIVE YOU, justki and a few others just told me the topup stuff you transfar back and forth was grey area

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juski:

I've never said using TUTV with mythtv was legally grey

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spader3d_2:

it is "half" a provider receiver!!!

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|Torg|:

and juski is correct im confusing what the dvb-s guys do with what you do, im sorry

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juski:

it's SKY which is legally grey

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laga:

wtf is "half a provider receiver"

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AndyCap:

and sharing recordings is also legally dubious.

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|Torg|:

until about 30 mins ago I didnt even ralise TUTV and SKY were two differnt things

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|Torg|:

hell rember im the guy who couldnt figure out sky licensing?

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juski:

and UK users of DVB-C cards aren't breaking the law either, but their cableco might construe breaking their T&Cs an offence worth suing for

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AndyCap:

juski: do they actually put it in the T&C?

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juski:

AndyCap: YES

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directhex:

juski, was there an ETA on FTA Ch4 DVB-S?

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spader3d_2:

the provider could have give you the code to open its service and let you put it in whatever device you have!!

[16:02:15]

laga:

are those parts of the T&C legally valid?

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juski:

"thou shalt not connect thine own equipment to our cable, or else"

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|Torg|:

spader3d_2: not all prividers follow spec

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spader3d_2:

is there a contract with this equipment?

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directhex:

spader3d_2, they could have. but for the most part they don't. check the terms & conditions for the contract which you signed to get your service

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|Torg|:

go lok up 8vsb and tubrocode

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juski:

laga: dunno, but I'd guess yes, since they're not unreasonable since they supply the customer suitable equipment

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AndyCap:

fascinating. the local dvb-s and c pushers here don't have any such language. but they won't let you sign up unless you say you have a tuner they like. (i.e. not compatible with the competition)

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directhex:

spader3d_2, Sky, in the UK, for example, mandate that you MUST use their box, and only their box. it's technically possible to use different equipment, but that's a violation of your contract

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laga:

juski: suitable? suitable for you? suitable for any sane person?

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juski:

it's a contract you sign which says you agree not to break it

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juski:

break the contract they can kick you off the network

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|Torg|:

and getting echostart to stop sellign you obsolete byt eht time there made stbs would be about like telling Exxon to stop pumping oil

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spader3d_2:

Illegal = violation of your contract!!!!!

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directhex:

spader3d_2, you said you were using FTA. FTA means free-to-air, i.e. completely unencrypted channels. so not a problem in this instance

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juski:

laga: they invest a _lot_ of money in equipment. For all they wax on about keeping the network safe their primary concern is stopping piracy

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laga:

spader3d_2: please form complete sentences and reduce the usage of "!".

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spader3d_2:

so is FTA STB illegal?

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|Torg|:

echostar makea s faily NICE profit in selling stbs, why would they give that up for some silly notion of fiar use

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juski:

nope

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juski:

free to air is just that

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juski:

free & easy

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directhex:

spader3d_2, accessing free-to-air broadcasts with ANY equipment is fine

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directhex:

spader3d_2, accessing encrypted recordings you haven't paid for is not – but it's not FTA

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laga:

well, is he using "FTA" or "haxxored stbs"?

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juski:

as for the ETA on C4 on Freesat – their contract with Sky runs out next year IIRC

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spader3d_2:

but accessing non_FTA with any equipment is illegal!

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directhex:

laga, i don't know if he can tell the difference

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|Torg|:

directhex hes been reading things fromt eh pirates, he things an access card is a CAM and FTA means unencryption

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AndyCap:

I've got to find room for that 1.8m dish

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directhex:

spader3d_2, depends on your provider. in some cases, yes

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|Torg|:

accesing it is not illegal, specialy decryting it is

[16:05:50]

AndyCap:

of course, there are countries where you'll get jailed for viewing FTA

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directhex:

sky or virgin media would at least kick you off their network, if not sue you, for watching their recordings with non-approved equipment

[16:06:02]

AndyCap:

but I don't think they're big on irc either

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directhex:

AndyCap, such as?

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AndyCap:

directhex: china.

[16:06:26]

directhex:

AndyCap, well, yeah. anyone else?

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laga:

directhex: would that hold up in court? eg did they really sue people?

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|Torg|:

juski: http://mybelovedsgarden.net/

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AndyCap:

directhex: not that I know how to spell. :)

[16:06:51]

AndyCap:

*stan

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spader3d_2:

Buying or getting the CAM will be the same as getting a modded STB?

[16:06:58]

|Torg|:

laga what people get sued for and what is law are two TOTALLY diffenrt higns

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|Torg|:

and no coping a movie, at least in the US, is not stealing

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directhex:

spader3d_2, if it's a legic CAM that your provider doesn't mind you using, as per the terms of your contract with them, then it's fine

[16:07:27]

|Torg|:

its illegal distribtiuon, but its not steeling

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|Torg|:

no matter how much the MPAA would like to make you think it is

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directhex:

spader3d_2, if it's a dodgy third party CAM, often used for accessing things you haven't paid for, that's not fine

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: yeah, they should have spent the advertising budget on lobbying for making copyright infringement = theft. (or maybe not)

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merlin_:

Hi directhex, I was reading your comments on the bttv 878. I have both a PVR350 and 2 bttvs, but ultimately I want everything encoded in mpeg4. I don't feel like I'm benefitting from the pvr350

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spader3d_2:

Illegal = violation of your contract!!!!!

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|Torg|:

directhex his access card is key lokced to the STB it was put in, he can not get a nagra2 CAM, and usign it would be illegal

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AndyCap:

spader3d_2: yeah, you said that already..

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merlin_:

in both cases I have to reencode all the videos, so the bttvs don't seem any worse than the pvr350

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directhex:

spader3d_2, using a TUTV CAM with TUTV is fine. using a hacker-friendly DRAGON CAM with Sky is not

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AndyCap:

merlin_: wait until you can get a PVR with mpeg-4 recording? :P

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directhex:

merlin_, what resolution are you actually capturing at through the framegrabber?

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directhex:

AndyCap, don't plextor sell one?

[16:09:33]

spader3d_2:

you mean "it is not ffine" but legal or ilegal?

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merlin_:

480x480 I think

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AndyCap:

ah, yes, the convert_x

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merlin_:

It's the default IIRC. I suppose I could change it, but it's ntsc, do more pixels would seem like a waste

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AndyCap:

couldn't make heads nor tails of the models, so I kind of spaced out.

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spader3d_2:

when you buy a dragen do you get a contract?

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directhex:

spader3d_2, definitely a violation of contract. illegal? depends on interpretation of contract law in your country

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AndyCap:

spader3d_2: no, but accesing tv services you haven't paid for is illegal in most civilised countries

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|Torg|:

uncivilized ones too

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spader3d_2:

no we sai that "violating the contract" is illegal

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: if they care about trade agreements, wipo etc.

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|Torg|:

spader3d_2: I dont know about UK law, but in US law its not the watching or seeing or access thats illegal, its the use of DES to decrypt it and stealing keys

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AndyCap:

or whatever stick/carrot we use to get compliance

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|Torg|:

AndyCap: thats only for the swedish

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directhex:

AndyCap, the USA is one of the biggest violators of WTO rules. they just don't care

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spader3d_2:

which contract are you refering to?

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AndyCap:

directhex: they still care about wipo.

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directhex:

spader3d_2, the contract you signed to gain access to encrypted satellite transmissions from the provider of those signals

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merlin_:

AndyCap, so in the meantime, my backends are a AMD 3100+ and a dual Xeon P4 2.4G with HT. With that, it seems that since I want to reencode everything down to mpeg4, what the card does is kind of irrelevant. Agreed?

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AndyCap:

spader3d_2: and if you have no contract there's still the law.

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directhex:

spader3d_2, a contract with Sky for Sky channels. a contract with Premier for Premier channels. and so on

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AndyCap:

merlin_: not quality wise.

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merlin_:

(BTW, mpeg2 from the pvr350 still takes a fair amount of disk space

[16:14:33]

merlin_:

you're saying mpeg4 quality is worse than mpeg2 from the pvr350?

[16:15:13]

merlin_:

My guess was that 2MB/s mpeg4 was at least as good ad 6MB/s mpeg2

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AndyCap:

merlin_: no. but framegrabbers have downsides.

[16:15:29]

merlin_:

like?

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tank-man:

more cpu usage

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AndyCap:

merlin_: and reencoding from mpeg-2 to mpeg-4 is not sexy at all.

[16:16:00]

AndyCap:

merlin_: cpu usage. (which you're not having a problem with) and audio/video sync.

[16:16:25]

merlin_:

AndyCap, I'll buy that reencoding isn't great. That's why I'm happier with framegrabber output before encoding

[16:16:46]

spader3d_2:

have to go! Good luck all!

[16:16:57]

AndyCap:

spader3d_2: btw. did you sign a contract not to kill anyone?

[16:17:19]

spader3d_2:

not with FTA boxes!

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AndyCap:

spader3d_2: and still the police will come an pick you up if you do.

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merlin_:

But I can see how getting the video from a framegrabber takes a little more CPU, even if I'm hoping it's using DMA

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spader3d_2:

if i do what/

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spader3d_2:

?

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AndyCap:

...

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spader3d_2:

the police is using what decryption? jejejejeje

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directhex:

IP Address Lookup: 198.93.180.4

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directhex:

(guessed) New Albany, MS, UNITED STATES

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juski:

merlin_: what uses CPU cycles when you use a framegrabber isn't the grabbing per se. it's the encoding on the fly

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directhex:

he certainly didn't seem like a yank

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AndyCap:

directhex: I dunno, maybe some very, very, very remote place in mississippi

[16:20:26]

directhex:

"jejejeje"?

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tank-man:

kikikikiki

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AndyCap:

"yeah" if you never learned to spell?

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directhex:

it's "hehehe"

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directhex:

but i can't place it

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directhex:

"kekeke" is korean. what's "jejeje"

[16:21:18]

directhex:

?

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merlin_:

juski: I'm still slightly unclear about that part. Can I get mythtv to encode directly to mpeg4 on the fly, or does it use some higher bandwidth, easy to compress format first, and then I have a transcode job to convert to mpeg4 after the recording/commercial flagging

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directhex:

looks like spanish

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AndyCap:

directhex: well, I was thinking yeah,yeah,yeah. but his english wasn't up to snuf.f

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AndyCap:

mexican?

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juski:

|Torg|: very funny indeed

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|Torg|:

you DID look :)

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merlin_:

and for the record, I'm not a yank in case anyone was wondering :)

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|Torg|:

I find it distubring really

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juski:

merlin_: mythtv can encode to mpeg4, but it's nuppelvideo mpeg4

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AndyCap:

directhex: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amx+jejejeje

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merlin_:

right, the .nuv files

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juski:

or it can record using motion JPEG

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directhex:

AndyCap, "spanish-speaking", let's settle for that

[16:23:11]

juski:

or rather a modified version of MJPEG, RTJPEG

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|Torg|:

no hablo esponol

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merlin_:

right, so it's a fast compression first, and then you need a second pass to make a nice xvid or equivalent mpeg4 file?

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BULLE:

juski: you should be able to use something like avidemux2 though, to easily just demux the nuppelvideo stream, and put it in some standardized container, via simple stream copy

[16:23:41]

AndyCap:

since this isn't the 1500's I'd say the odds he's from mexico is higher than spain.

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juski:

merlin_: mpeg4 uses more CPU but takes up less disk space

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directhex:

AndyCap, spain does still have a non-dead population of people. some even have electricity!

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|Torg|:

the ones who speek spanish ehre and who immegrate illgally are not Mexican, most are from central america

[16:24:21]

directhex:

AndyCap, resident evil 4 wasn't a precise portrayal of modern spanish life

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** juski chuckles **

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merlin_:

juski: yep. I know that, well depending on what codec you use of course.

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: are you from MS?

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BULLE:

directhex: oh yes it was!

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juski:

merlin_: in mythtv you get a choice of 2 codecs. RTJPEG & MPEG4

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merlin_:

that's what I saw in the screens, yeah. I was just unclear what kind of mpeg4 it was

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directhex:

BULLE, i've never met a spaniard who's head explodes on contact releasing a scary spiny monster thing

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juski:

merlin_: or if you use a real man's capture card, mythtv leaves it in whatever form it comes in unless you transcode it

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AndyCap:

uhh, the what now?

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BULLE:

directhex: neither have i, but i just put some bullets in their head BEFORE they have time to explode!

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merlin_:

from what to say, it's the nuv mpeg4 I've seen, which is not well compressed, and you then do a second pass to do dvix

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merlin_:

divx I meant to write, and I really meant to say xvid

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merlin_:

and I got the part where pvr350 does hw mpeg2 encoding

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juski:

merlin_: for best results I'd be tempted to record in mjpeg then transcode later

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juski:

and _do_ _not_ get a pvr350

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merlin_:

I was wondering about that to

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BULLE:

get an 150 !

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merlin_:

well, I already got the pvr350 with the machine that I ended up with

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AndyCap:

juski: not even if it's really cheap and you don't plan to use the output?

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juski:

maybe then, but don't buy it cos it has an onboard mpeg2 decoder

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merlin_:

the pvr350 is all right if it was free, though. Right? :)

[16:27:23]

merlin_:

I did swear at it due to the time I tried to use the mpeg2 decoder/tv output on it though

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merlin_:

ivtv was not fun to configure and was very slow output

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AndyCap:

what's in the box? Pain!

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juski:

for free/very cheap I'd say OK

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juski:

but with today's CPUs & VGA card TV outputs, it's output it totally redundant

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AndyCap:

meh: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Plextor_ConvertX ntsc tuner only?

[16:30:21]

AndyCap:

merlin_: or did you use ntsc?

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merlin_:

sorry, on the phone

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AndyCap:

merlin_: that's ok, we can't hear you.

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juski:

hmm. work on my script or play GTA VC.. :D

[16:32:20]

AndyCap:

kill the haitians

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** AndyCap doesn't live in the uk and doesn't benefit from the script. **

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juski:

I'm kinda addicted to vigilante mode in the FBI Washington

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tapH20guru:

is there an easy way to compile and use commflag separately from mythtv as a whole?

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tapH20guru:

btw: love my GTS SA

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tapH20guru:

GTA

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AndyCap:

GTA LCS is my drug of choice

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AndyCap:

since I can put it in my pocket

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tapH20guru:

i wonder if it bundled too tight with mythtv itself to separate

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rukie:

I'm trying to update my program guide, I have an xml file but mythfilldatabase 1 -1 myfile.xml doesn't seem to do it...

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tank-man:

rukie, cause you are using the wrong syntax

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tank-man:

?

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rukie:

er --file 1 -1 myfile.xml

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rukie:

wait, u mean the xml file is in the wrong syntax?

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rukie:

the xml file should be fine, I just don't know how to get mythtv to recognize it..

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tank-man:

what is the command you are typing?

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rukie:

mythfilldatabase --file 1 -1 myfile.xml

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rukie:

(I don't under the Source ID)

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tank-man:

is that the source id?

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tank-man:

1

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rukie:

it is in the command, what is the source id? Where do I find that? (Tuner number?)

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tank-man:

source id depends on your pc

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tank-man:

i dont know how to find it off the top of my head

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tank-man:

one sec

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tank-man:

google that "Find out the source id of your card"

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rukie:

02:08.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05) (lspci --- would 2 be the source id?)

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tank-man:

i got my source id from the mysql db

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rukie:

videosource in mysql?

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tank-man:

i followed the instructions from the mythtv docs

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rukie:

heh, ok, my sourceid is 5

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rukie:

so mythfilldatabase --file 5 -1 myfile.xml

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tank-man:

looks right

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rukie:

sweet! it works!

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rukie:

thank you very very much :-D

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tank-man:

youre welcome :)

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rukie:

I found the sourceid in the videosource table in the mythconverg database.... lol

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merlin_:

AndyCap, the plextor convertX looks cool. Maybe I'll get one of those next time

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merlin_:

juski, I found the PVR-350 TV out was just slow with ivtv back then (like 10fps), and it was just a bitch to get it all working (including X)

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merlin_:

I would not recommend it for TV out.

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juski:

z01k50r5! it's teh feds!

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juski:

ugh! the OSD really sucks on a monitor

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merlin_:

juski, so I'll look at changing my bttvs to motion jpeg and doing a transcode job to mpeg4 after that. I didn't check in details yet, but does mythtv transcode to the special .nuv mpeg4 format, or can it make an xvid/divx file?

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merlin_:

(I'm mostly worried about the case where I want to archive a tv show and/or play it on my laptop with a regular media player that may not do .nuv)

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directhex:

i'm rather happy about getting WMP11 working as a mythtv frontend (via upnp)

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juski:

bugger. one of my monitors is making video playback tear

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Amanita_Virosa:

anyone use snd-bt87x?

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bsdfox_:

Amanita_Virosa: I can't get mine working on 2 different cards..

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Amanita_Virosa:

which cards?

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juski:

wtf is up with mythfrontend playing back a 16:9 recording in a 16:9 window but with bars at the sides? aspect override is set to off

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bsdfox_:

hauppauge wintv go

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Amanita_Virosa:

there's a kernel bug in the interrupt handler of the driver, i have to send in a patch

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Amanita_Virosa:

oh god, that card! that's the one i'm using :)

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Amanita_Virosa:

it's tricky to get working

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bsdfox_:

you got sound capture working?

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Amanita_Virosa:

oh hell yes

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Amanita_Virosa:

using it right now

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bsdfox_:

help me :D

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Amanita_Virosa:

sure

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Amanita_Virosa:

the first step is the kernel patch

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Amanita_Virosa:

i'll be packaging that up soon

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bsdfox_:

gimme 2 mins to hook that card up

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Amanita_Virosa:

hehe

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Amanita_Virosa:

what's the other one?

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Amanita_Virosa:

anyway... on the Go, the audio input is being routed to the FM pin, not the TV pin

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Amanita_Virosa:

and it's missing the digital stereo decoder module that good cards have

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Amanita_Virosa:

you can use amixer to set the input correctly and turn up the gain

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Amanita_Virosa:

then you're left with a horrible howling noise of mono sound :P

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Weezey:

I found my problem yesterday, it seems the new build of mythfrontend changed to using ffmpeg to play files by default instead of using ivtv. I changed that CPU+ setting to CPU-- and it's all good now but I have a follow-up question: Can I use ivtv to play mpegs because right now it's using ffmpeg for those too and they look like crap when playing "video"

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bsdfox_:

they are both wintv go

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Amanita_Virosa:

ah okay

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bsdfox_:

I just got it plugged in

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Amanita_Virosa:

yea, i bet you get something like a "RISC error" when you try to get data from /dev/adsp1

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Dagmar:

ivtv doesn't *play* anything

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Amanita_Virosa:

err, probably /dev/adsp0

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Weezey:

Dagmar: yeah.. you know what I mean though?

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Amanita_Virosa:

(i have two cards... the other is a previously-unsupported ivtv card...)

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bsdfox_:

Amanita_Virosa: I think it's /dev/dsp1 for me

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Amanita_Virosa:

bsdfox_ – note that you get two different audio devices, dsp1 and adsp1

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Amanita_Virosa:

dsp1 is the *digital* input

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Amanita_Virosa:

you're recording from the *analog* one

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Dagmar:

Weezey: You should simply let MythTV use it's "Internal" player

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bsdfox_:

ahh

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Amanita_Virosa:

because there's no digital audio chip on the Go

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Dagmar:

...which is not ffmpeg

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bsdfox_:

gotcha

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Weezey:

Dagmar: k, thanks

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Amanita_Virosa:

still, you'll probably get a "RISC error", followed by no more data coming out

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Amanita_Virosa:

there's a missing case in the interrupt handler

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Amanita_Virosa:

i haven't submitted my patchces yet... i should try breaking that one out

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bsdfox_:

lemme try it with adsp

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Amanita_Virosa:

sure

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Amanita_Virosa:

if it breaks, i'll extract a kernel patch for ya.

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bsdfox_:

thanks

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bsdfox_:

2.6.22?

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Amanita_Virosa:

yep

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Amanita_Virosa:

anyhow... so, once the kernel patch is applied, it works, but it sounds rather terrible

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juski:

just buy a pvr150 card & be done with it :)

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Amanita_Virosa:

heh i refused to stop there

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Amanita_Virosa:

i noticed that the bt87x allows *rediculous* sampling ratesw

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Amanita_Virosa:

so i turned up the sample rate all the way and recorded a snippet, and plugged it into my spectrum analyzer

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Amanita_Virosa:

well, software version (baudline) thereof

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Amanita_Virosa:

and it became obvious to me why it sounded bad: it wasn't mono sound at all, it was undemodulated stereo.

[17:47:17]

Amanita_Virosa:

the 15700Hz pilot tone and the DSSC difference channel were both obvious

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Amanita_Virosa:

so i added alsa recording support to mythtv, wrote some dsp code to do stereo demodulating, built an alsa module for it, and now i've got good (and stereo) sound playing right next to me from the WinTV Go :)

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bsdfox_:

heh seems to work fine

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Amanita_Virosa:

cool.

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Amanita_Virosa:

mine worked the first time i read from it, then sound output stopped the second time

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bsdfox_:

just had to change the device :P (can't believe that none of the gentoo or mythtv docs mention it)

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bsdfox_:

hmm lemme mess with it more

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Amanita_Virosa:

there's an error handler missing in the kernel

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bsdfox_:

my wintv go actually has pretty damn good image quality

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Amanita_Virosa:

image quality isn't bad on mine either

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Amanita_Virosa:

sound quality was what i was complaining about

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Amanita_Virosa:

and i fixed that with my module :)

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Amanita_Virosa:

image quality isn't as good as the (previously-unsupported) Sony IMB5A (ivtv-based) card i've also got in here though

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Amanita_Virosa:

i have way too many kernel patches to generate. hehe

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bsdfox_:

hmm ok now I've lost sound :P

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Amanita_Virosa:

ahhh

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Amanita_Virosa:

yep, that's the kernel bug

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Amanita_Virosa:

once it overruns the first time, no more sound ever.

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bsdfox_:

generate me a patch! ;)

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Amanita_Virosa:

doing it as we speak

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Amanita_Virosa:

my alsa module and mythtv alsa patches aren't ready for release yet, but the kernel patch should be good.

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bsdfox_:

I'll test it out anyways. I've just got this setup on one of my frontend machines atm.. when it works right I'll put it in my backend

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Amanita_Virosa:

and i assume you can hear the howling and such

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Amanita_Virosa:

cool cool

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bsdfox_:

nah it actually sounded pretty good

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Amanita_Virosa:

*nod* most of the problems are in the upper end of the frequency response

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Amanita_Virosa:

some people can't hear those sorts of artefacts at all

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Amanita_Virosa:

ack, it just generated a totally useless patch file :P

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Amanita_Virosa:

let's try that again...

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Amanita_Virosa:

there we go, that'll be a lot more like it

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Amanita_Virosa:

there, done

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Amanita_Virosa:

i wonder... want me to dcc it?

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Amanita_Virosa:

or paste it somewhere?

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mintee:

anyone having troubled with the latest mythweb-music?

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bsdfox_:

paste it somewhere

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Amanita_Virosa:

cool

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mintee:

I'm having an issue with streaming music using mythweb.. don't really have and type of logs that would help

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Amanita_Virosa:

http://pastebin.com/d6b71e408

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Amanita_Virosa:

the datasheet is quite specific that SCERR is unrecoverable and requires a device reset... the driver didn't do that.

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Amanita_Virosa:

i added the reset :P

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Amanita_Virosa:

aw heck, the file got... line wrapped

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juski:

mintee: mythweb would need a symlink to your music directory in $mythwebdir/data

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Amanita_Virosa:

http://pastebin.com/d16fa9bb9 fixes that

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mintee:

juski I can setup playlists and browse all my music without a problem.. just can't play it

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juski:

mintee: actually I was wrong about that. I'mplaying music in my browser now just fine

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mintee:

juski, using the lastest svn?

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juski:

nope

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Amanita_Virosa:

let me know how the patch works for you

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bsdfox_:

will do

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bsdfox_:

I lost all sound.. gotta remove and modprobe the driver or..?

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bsdfox_:

I just wanna do a little more testing before I patch

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Amanita_Virosa:

remove the driver, patch the source of it, rebuild that driver, then reprobe it, yes.

[18:22:12]

Amanita_Virosa:

oh okay

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Amanita_Virosa:

um...

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Amanita_Virosa:

you probably can't reinitialize it

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Amanita_Virosa:

by removing the module

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Amanita_Virosa:

you'd have to reboot

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Amanita_Virosa:

i had no luck clearing that flag myself

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Amanita_Virosa:

that's why i wrote the patch :)

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bsdfox_:

ahh

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Amanita_Virosa:

the patch just clears it whenever it's set, after printing an error into the system log

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Amanita_Virosa:

the existing driver doesn't clear it at all, leaving the device unusable.

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juski:

hmm why does firefox keep starting on my 2ndary screen?

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bsdfox:

bah

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bsdfox:

xorg 7.3 sucks so far with mythtv :P

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bsdfox:

like the 5th time it's locked up X on me

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Amanita_Virosa:

oh my...

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Amanita_Virosa:

locked up X or the whole system?

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bsdfox:

just X

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Amanita_Virosa:

oh okay

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bsdfox:

had to get on my laptop to restart it though

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Amanita_Virosa:

i had problems with it taking the whole system down

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bsdfox:

ctrl+alt+backspace wouldn't even work

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Amanita_Virosa:

but apparently it was an issue of my user having access to the video nodes.

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Amanita_Virosa:

*nods*

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bsdfox:

only happens like 5% of the time when I am just starting to watch a recording or livetv

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** Amanita_Virosa nods **

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bsdfox:

modprobing the driver does fix it for me

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Amanita_Virosa:

ah okay, cool.

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bsdfox:

but I only get sound for a few seconds before it dies

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Amanita_Virosa:

heh yep.

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Amanita_Virosa:

that's the one.

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bsdfox:

ok I'll try your patch

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Amanita_Virosa:

it's small, you can even apply it by hand hehe

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zachtib:

hey, i have two tuner cards that show up as tuner #4 and #5, can i renumber them to 1 and 2 instead?

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bsdfox:

yeah I will

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bsdfox:

I forget the syntax to compile just one module though

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bsdfox:

it's like make SOURCEDIR=drivers/sound/bt87x or something?

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Amanita_Virosa:

i have no idea, i just did "make modules ; make modules_install"

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bsdfox:

yeah I'm testing on an 800mhz it is slow

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Amanita_Virosa:

fair enough

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bsdfox:

grr.. I did this a week ago I just can't remember the syntax :P

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Amanita_Virosa:

which syntax? to build a single module?

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bsdfox:

yeah

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bsdfox:

hmm on a side note, schedules direct extended my plan another 3 months :D

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bsdfox:

$15/9mo isn't bad :P

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Amanita_Virosa:

cool cool

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Amanita_Virosa:

i'm still running without schedules

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Amanita_Virosa:

but i'm doing more dev than watching tv :P

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bsdfox:

h36sa@wiggler /usr/src/linux $ sudo make SUBDIRS=sound/pci modules

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bsdfox:

that works

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bsdfox:

.. I'll let you know results in a sec

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bsdfox:

I never watch anything live anymore.. just set it up to record everything then reencode it

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bsdfox:

my seinfeld collection is growing pretty fast.. there's at least 5 episodes every day :)

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mrdch:

I'm going to make a backend/frontend with stuff like upscaling to HDTV, transcoding and comm flagging. It's an AMD Athlon X2. Should I use i386 or amd64?

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Amanita_Virosa:

hehe

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Amanita_Virosa:

neat

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bsdfox:

I run amd64 on mine

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bsdfox:

seems fine

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mrdch:

trouble-free or troublesome? :-) I forgot to mention – recent nvidia card

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bsdfox:

no problems

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bsdfox:

I am on gentoo though

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Amanita_Virosa:

cool, i set mine up i386

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Amanita_Virosa:

(Pentium D)

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bsdfox:

I think I'm gonna get an e2140 for my mythbackend.. I have a crappy mobo that will take it and the cpu is only $70

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mrdch:

ok, amd64 it is I guess

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bsdfox:

Amanita_Virosa: any idea why it didn't build a .ko for the bt87x module?

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bsdfox:

built a .o

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bsdfox:

most the other modules in there built a .ko

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Amanita_Virosa:

should be the same thing, i think

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bsdfox:

ok

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bsdfox:

oh nm it's there

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Amanita_Virosa:

cool

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bsdfox:

hmm not getting any audio right now

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Amanita_Virosa:

you installed the new module?

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Amanita_Virosa:

over the old one?

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Amanita_Virosa:

and rmmod/modprobed it

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bsdfox:

2007-09–21 11:56:29.789 NVR: Error, unknown audio codec

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bsdfox:

yeah

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Amanita_Virosa:

what do you get from cat /dev/adsp1

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Amanita_Virosa:

try it a couple times, see if you get crap out

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Amanita_Virosa:

or nothing

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Amanita_Virosa:

nothing is bad; crap is good :P

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bsdfox:

I get crap

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Amanita_Virosa:

control-c, try it again, you still get crap?

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bsdfox:

even when not watching tv :P

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bsdfox:

maybe I'll just reboot that machine

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bsdfox:

probably screwed something up with the old module

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Amanita_Virosa:

no, it';ll always output audio

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bsdfox:

yes

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Amanita_Virosa:

even when youre not watching it

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Amanita_Virosa:

if you're listening to it

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Amanita_Virosa:

so if you're getting data out of the device, it sounds like mythtv might be the culprit

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bsdfox:

when I watch TV I get

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bsdfox:

h36sa@wiggler ~ $ cat /dev/adsp1

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bsdfox:

cat: /dev/adsp1: Device or resource busy

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Amanita_Virosa:

now that's interesting.

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Amanita_Virosa:

something has the device open

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Amanita_Virosa:

lsof | grep adsp1

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bsdfox:

mythfrontend :P

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Amanita_Virosa:

myth *frontend*?

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bsdfox:

hmm nothing when not watching tv on the frontend

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Amanita_Virosa:

nothing what?

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bsdfox:

nothing from lsof

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Amanita_Virosa:

when you cat the device?

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bsdfox:

h36sa@wiggler ~ $ sudo lsof | grep adsp1

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bsdfox:

mythbacke 30568 mythtv 21r CHR 14,28 61294 /dev/sound/adsp1

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Amanita_Virosa:

oh okay

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bsdfox:

I get that when I am watching tv on the frontend

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Amanita_Virosa:

right... but not when you aren't?

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bsdfox:

right

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Amanita_Virosa:

that's odd.

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Amanita_Virosa:

you should be getting data out of it all the time

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bsdfox:

I do get data all the time

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Amanita_Virosa:

oh okay

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Amanita_Virosa:

oh right, mythbackend opens it when it's listening to it

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Amanita_Virosa:

that should be working

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Amanita_Virosa:

don't know why it's saying device or resource busy though

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bsdfox:

I am getting this now.. seems like a mythtv problem but I didn't change anything but the module

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bsdfox:

2007-09–21 12:04:30.917 NVR: Error, unknown audio codec

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Amanita_Virosa:

hrm... that's interesting

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Amanita_Virosa:

that's a mythtv issue for sure, but i don't know which one

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bsdfox:

I'm gonna reboot I guess

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bsdfox:

having some weird problems on my desktop too :P stupid xorg 7.3

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zntneo:

anyone know what this means

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zntneo:

[mpeg2video @ 0x4ba4d80]ac-tex damaged at 7 18

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zntneo:

[mpeg2video @ 0x4ba4d80]Warning MVs not available?

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mintee:

juski, do you have the mod_mp3 module in your apache?

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bsdfox:

augh

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bsdfox:

I don't get any audio with your patch 8f can't imagine why

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Amanita_Virosa:

hrm... now that's weird.

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bsdfox:

it compiled fine and seems like a pretty simple patch that shouldn't break anything

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Amanita_Virosa:

totally.

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Amanita_Virosa:

you did it by hand?

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bsdfox:

yeah

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Amanita_Virosa:

you got the change to ERROR_INTERRUPTS in addition to the extra block?

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bsdfox:

just added it on the end right?

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bsdfox:

eah

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Amanita_Virosa:

there's a changed line and a new block of code

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bsdfox:

right I got both

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Amanita_Virosa:

okay

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Amanita_Virosa:

hrm... there's one other change that might be important that i didn't put in the patch

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Amanita_Virosa:

you're welcome to try it

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bsdfox:

sure

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Amanita_Virosa:

down in snd_bt87x_start

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Amanita_Virosa:

the line snd_bt87x_writel(chip, REG_GPIO_DMA_CTL, chip->reg_control);

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Amanita_Virosa:

should should be moved to *above* the snd_bt87x_writel(chip, REG_INT_MASK, chip->interrupt_mask);

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Amanita_Virosa:

line

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Amanita_Virosa:

that might be it

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bsdfox:

ok

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bsdfox:

what line is that at?

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ol_schoola_:

any Squeezebox users in here?

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Amanita_Virosa:

somewhere after 468

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ol_schoola_:

ii found out the Squeezebox has an excellent IR blaster based on lirc or it can be used as a passthru repeater

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ol_schoola_:

IR Blaster is capable of generating the major three types of IR signals: Space encoded, Pulse encoded and RC5 encoded. It supports carrier frequencies from 36kHz up to 40kHz and IR command sets up to 48 bits plus header and tail bit.

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bsdfox:

I see the reg_control

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ol_schoola_:

basically every remote except the exotics in 455 mHz like Bang and Olufson

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CaptObviousman:

greetings, earthlings

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bsdfox:

Amanita_Virosa: ok compiling

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Amanita_Virosa:

the one other change in that patch is a mistake hehe

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Amanita_Virosa:

but i didn't give you that one

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bsdfox:

sudo still nothing

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bsdfox:

I'll mess around with it for a few

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Amanita_Virosa:

k

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zachtib:

does mythflash still work with 20.2? i can't seem to get the encode links to appear

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Amanita_Virosa:

well, as long as 'cat' gets data from adsp1, then it's a good sign

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Amanita_Virosa:

probably a mythtv problem rather than a kernel problem in that case

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Amanita_Virosa:

check dmesg for any odd messages tho

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juski_:

zachtib: if by 'mythflash' you mean the flash video streaming which was checked into SVN a while ago, it's never been in 0.20

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CaptObviousman:

so what's the difference between MythTV's storage groups and LVM?

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zachtib:

juski_, well, i installed it to 0.20 and got it to work, now in 20.2, i can't seem to have it work

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** CaptObviousman fails to see how LVM is considered "exotic" **

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IamEthos:

isn't adsp just the alsa device?

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juski_:

CaptObviousman: LVM is Lame Volume Management, and storage groups is simply storing recordings in different locations according to certain rules :)

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CaptObviousman:

"Lame" volume management eh

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zachtib:

juski_, i guess what i'm asking, is if anything changed in mythweb in 20.2 that would prevent this from wokring?

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CaptObviousman:

so I should use Storage Groups for the frontend and LVM for the backend

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juski_:

zachtib: maybe plenty changed

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juski_:

CaptObviousman: you don't need to use LVM at all when you have storage groups

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juski_:

you can just specify multiple recording directories

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mintee:

juski_... ok, figured it out.

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mintee:

Fatal Error at /home/httpd/html/includes/objects/Database/Query/mysql.php, line 83:

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mintee:

SQL Error: Table 'mythconverg.music_directories' doesn't exist [#1146]

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mintee:

but i can't find the damn structure for music_directories

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mintee:

much less how to populate it

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CaptObviousman:

mintee: maybe because it doesn't exist? ;-)

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mintee:

Please tell me CaptObviousman is a bot

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mintee:

:)

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** CaptObviousman acts very bot-like **

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mintee:

it appears

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zachtib:

fixed my problem, when i upgraded, it overwrote one of the files i had modified, problem solved now

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mintee:

Grr.. i think i know what needs to be done

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IamEthos:

alright

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IamEthos:

live tv was working

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IamEthos:

but now I'm getting some invalid file errors, which seem to stem from a file in my home directory not existing

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CaptObviousman:

how long has storage groups been around? It's mature?

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juski_:

been in svn trunk for ages now

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zntneo:

what does this mean? 2007-09–21 15:00:30.422 MythSocket(9328768:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected.

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juski_:

zntneo: could mean your backend crashed

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bsdfox:

still no luck :(

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zntneo:

nope didn't crash

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zntneo:

can i stop it from doing that

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Amanita_Virosa:

no luck? that sucks

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Amanita_Virosa:

but you can still get data from cat /dev/adsp1?

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Amanita_Virosa:

and there's nothing weird in dmesg?

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frankdivit1:

i will be installing knoppix myth. my box will be between my cable box (in my case set to channel 3) and my tv. is there provisions for me to set to my channel? also, do i have to know the frequency for that channel?

[20:23:20]

Slyboots:

Hm, Anyone here know if there is any sites with the XMLID names for stations in the UK? (RadioTimes Grabber)

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directhex:

frankdivit1, you use an IR Blaster to allow myth to change channel

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directhex:

Slyboots, ask juski for his magical script

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Slyboots:

Eh?

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frankdivit1:

no, i will be hand setting the recordings.

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bsdfox:

Amanita_Virosa: right

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directhex:

frankdivit1, then mythtv isn't for you. use something else

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directhex:

like "cat /dev/video"

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frankdivit1:

any suggestions? i really want something that is linux based.

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directhex:

given how it sounds you want your setup done? cat /dev/video0

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Amanita_Virosa:

bsdfox – well then color me confused.

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Amanita_Virosa:

you haven't lost your myth configuration somehow have you?

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Slyboots:

Whats this script your talkinga about?

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directhex:

juski was working on a script to autoconfigure xmltv in the uk, including setting the ids in the database

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directhex:

based on postcode

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iamben:

how do i make a new account on trac?

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Anduin:

iamben: You can only set the session info

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iamben:

real accounts for devs only?

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iamben:

maybe thats how trac always is

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iamben:

thanks

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Anduin:

Yes, it sucks, but just not enough to fix.

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bsdfox:

how can I switch which tuner I am watching livetv on?

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Anduin:

bsdfox: C

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bsdfox:

I'm setup on the one with no audio right now :P

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bsdfox:

hmm doesn't change it.. brings up the name but that's all

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Anduin:

bsdfox: y, I seem to always mix them

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bsdfox:

one of my tuners isn't working right atm

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juski_:

Slyboots: www.juski.co.uk/chanwiz/ has a bunch of xml files with xmltvids & channel lineups inside

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Slyboots:

hmm

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Slyboots:

Ahh, Thatas exactly what Iwas looking for

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juski_:

it's nowhere near done yet, but I can't seem to keep myself away from the xbox at the mo ;)

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juski_:

the data is ok though :)

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bsdfox:

$1.66/mo isn't too expensive :P

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juski_:

of the scripts there, you'd put bbcregions & itvregions & freeview.xml in a dir with the 'wiz' script, then run 'wiz $postcode' – be careful with it though – VERY careful

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juski_:

bsdfox: yes it is!

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juski_:

:P

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Slyboots:

I can do it by hand

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bsdfox:

get a job :P

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Slyboots:

Only a few stations are missing the dag (Cause I could not find them in the list)

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juski_:

Slyboots: well, if you look at the script a bit you'll see it could update the db for you

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juski_:

and download icons :)

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juski_:

Slyboots: but be aware that not all UK channels have xmltv data available

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juski_:

all the freeview ones do

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Slyboots:

Hm, So I download this script and then..

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ol_schoola_:

juski: couldn't SD also be used as an aggregator and distributor of xmltvids?

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juski_:

ol_schoola_: some central service or other could be, yes

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juski_:

it'd be better hosted at xmltv.org

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ol_schoola_:

to start, maybe the xmltvid could show up on mouseover of a station the lineups page

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juski_:

mouseover?

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juski_:

I don't use a ducking mouse with mythtv

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ol_schoola_:

and then myth and other projects could start auto-pulling the data along

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juski_:

sod that

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juski_:

my data structure & everything will solve a lot of problems

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juski_:

what the USA & canada folks took for granted with zap2it for so long was it dealt with the channel lineups, channel numbers as well as epg data

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ol_schoola_:

mouseover in the SD lineups web page

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juski_:

in the rest of the world we've had to muddle through somehow with our own cobbled-together scripts

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juski_:

and when lineups change channel numbers, everyone had to update their own sources

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ol_schoola_:

omg, i'm a dufus, i forgot you were UK

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juski_:

USA & Canada are sorted

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juski_:

anyway I borrowed the idea from you guys – my effort will let UK users put in a few details like their postcode & which TV packages they have – then it'll do the rest :)

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ol_schoola_:

i jumped in midstream andf thought you were talking from a NA perspective, my bad

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juski_:

the data is more or less all in place, I just need to work out exactly what the scripts need to do & handle some kind of user interaction

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juski_:

it could even be a webapp

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juski_:

heh you & your brethren :P

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ol_schoola_:

well, now you have me thinking... why shouldn't SD aggregate and distribute xmltvids to the cable lineups as well?

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Slyboots:

juski: So what do I need to run your script anyway?

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Slyboots:

just wiz and the .xml pages?

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juski:

Slyboots: basically

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ol_schoola_:

aggregation could be done by the frontend reporting a users woorking xmltvid for a given zip and source

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juski:

but like I said be careful it's not fully tested yet

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Slyboots:

Welll I'll backup the database before I do anything ;)

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Slyboots:

juski: What is the "videosourse" tag about?

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Slyboots:

Inside your script

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beata:

is there a screen in mythfrontend/web that will show you what shows will be autoexpired first?

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janneg:

beata: Information Center -> System Status -> AutoExpire List

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beata:

thx

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ARfdee:

hi

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ARfdee:

where on my schedulesdirect account

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ARfdee:

do i edit listings?

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ARfdee:

i can't even change my lineup anymore

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ARfdee:

what's the deal?

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Chutt:

tms is down.

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GreyFoxx:

If you read what it says , TMS is having issues. Once that's fixed on there end you can edit them again

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ARfdee:

GreyFoxx: i didn't see an "it"

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ARfdee:

i thought the link was just gone

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GreyFoxx:

Maybe my screen (right after logging in) shows someting your doesn't then

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GreyFoxx:

It explains why it shows a TMS auth failure

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ARfdee:

for some dumb reason my dishnetwork box keeps getting turned to some wrong channel

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ARfdee:

which is messing up all my recordings, cuz you can't change from it except by pressing up or down:(

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ARfdee:

GreyFoxx: can you tell me why livetv would not work but recordings do?

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dageshi:

hi I've just compiled mythtv from svn (first time so I may have screwed something) when I run mythtv-setup it immediately says I need to run the mythtvfilldatabase without giving me any setup options

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dageshi:

something I've missed?

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CaptObviousman:

well, you need to propogate the DB before continuing

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CaptObviousman:

... which is exactly what the instructions are telling you to do

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mchou:

CaptObviousman, I like that nick

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Slyboots:

Hmm, Anyone nay good suggetions for a ase/board for Myth?

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mchou:

from now own, I'll just say "consult CaptObviousman."

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mchou:

Slyboots: pirate talk was yesterday

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Slyboots:

Pirate talk?

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mchou:

International talk like a Pirate day

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mchou:

http://www.talklikeapirate.com/translator.html

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Slyboots:

... Uh, Okay

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dageshi:

well I indeed did do that, mythfilldatabase told me "There are no channel sources defined, did you run the setup program"

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dageshi:

which would seem like a catch22 to me

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Slyboots:

Not sure what you are talking about, Or what suggetions for a case/motherboard for myth has to do with pirates

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mchou:

(14:51:30) Slyboots: Hmm, Anyone nay good suggetions for a ase/board for Myth?

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AndyCap:

nay good ase/board

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AndyCap:

walk the plank

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Slyboots:

:P

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mchou:

read that and tell me if that's english

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Slyboots:

Its a typo

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ARfdee:

2007-09–21 16:49:00.894 MythSocket(9dbe640:1Cool: readStringList: Error, timeout (quick).

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ARfdee:

2007-09–21 16:49:00.894 RemoteEncoder::SendReceiveStringList(): No response.

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ARfdee:

2007-09–21 16:49:00.897 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.

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ARfdee:

this is what i get when i try to watch livetv

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iamben:

dageshi: you have to do an initial db population, not for listings, but for the whole db structure... on my box its at /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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HeatHawk:

Hi there, i just got a pvr 150 mce, running suse 10.2, i have ivtv, and i got the firmware from the ivtv website, and the older one doesnt run, wrong size, and the new one crashes the driver. idease?

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HeatHawk:

ivtv 0.8 by the way

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BULLE:

HeatHawk: try some other firmware, also, try some other version of ivtv

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BULLE:

HeatHawk: and, when you find something that works, dont change it

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BULLE:

lets see what i have

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BULLE:

HeatHawk: hmm 0.8 is pretty old isnt it ?

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just_joe:

does every install have to have back and front end?

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BULLE:

just_joe: yes

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BULLE:

just_joe: nothing stops you from running both back and front end on the same computer though

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BULLE:

HeatHawk: my mythbox, that has been running for like a year, is using 0.10

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just_joe:

well i was trying to configure just a frontend which would talk to my other box a backend and frontend but it doesnt seem to be working

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just_joe:

the frontandback box works great

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BULLE:

just_joe: the setup you describe is possible

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just_joe:

am i missing the doc on this?

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BULLE:

eg, one box running backend and frontend, and another one just frontend, but connecting to the backend of the other box

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BULLE:

just_joe: dunno

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just_joe:

right

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BULLE:

just_joe: consult logs, check why it fails

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BULLE:

go from there

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just_joe:

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HeatHawk:

BULLE, 0.8 iswhat suse 10.2 comes with, and ivtv recommends it

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BULLE:

HeatHawk: well, as 0.8 doesnt work for you, what do you suggest you should do, if not try some other version ?

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laga:

re

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juski:

just blacklisted my onboard audio. naughty thing kept swapping places with the sblive. ducking annoying

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juski:

almost as annoying as somebody suggesting we put radio button widgets in the ducking menus damnit

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laga:

heh

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laga:

just saw the email notification popping up and thought "yay, angry juski" ;)

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laga:

so. my 20yr old TV is getting a bit too dark and it looks like there's not button to increase brightness. :/

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juski:

lol

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juski:

I'm not angry so much laga – it's just that I can not see the point in having buttons that aren't part of the menu on menu screens. if this is for some 'new theme' then I hate to think what other kind of UI hell they want to cook up

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laga:

i could get out the screwdriver because i'm sure there's a way to improve it hardware-wise. i'm just afraid of getting killed.

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laga:

juski: drop-down menus would be way more useful

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juski:

take the back off carefully & no doubt you'll find a pot for the overall HT drive

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jwocky:

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juski:

laga: drop down menus?! how the duck do you operate drop-down menus with a remote?

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laga:

juski: heh. some menus are already drop-down menus, eg the audio device selection menu.

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laga:

i was j/k, though

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juski:

yeah in setup menus they're dropdowns

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juski:

not in main menus though

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laga:

juski: increasing the drive voltage could shorten the life of the tube, though. hum.

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juski:

laga: it's had a good innings already

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juski:

probably overdue a new tube anyway

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laga:

yup.

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laga:

i'm not sure if it's exactly 20 years, might be 10 or 15. still old, though.

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directhex:

laga, time to get a nice hdtv!

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juski:

now – if only I can find a way to stop all new apps I open coming up on the monitor I don't use as often as my big monitor..

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laga:

directhex: there's no point in getting a hdtv imho

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laga:

juski: let me guess. a VGA monitor and a DVI monitor?

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juski:

laga: jups

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laga:

juski: twinview?

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juski:

let me guess now.. the VGA is #1 no matter what i bet

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laga:

yes.

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laga:

ffs :/

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juski:

oh FFS

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juski:

whose bright idea was that?

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laga:

i hate it when the firefox session manager comes up on the tv.

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juski:

I wouldn't care – I set the 'primary' display to be my nice 22" LG in nvidia-settings

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laga:

juski: have you tried overriding it with option connectedmonitor "dfp, crt"? (didn't really work here, but it might work if you don't have to resort to non-standard modelines)

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juski:

hell even the bloody login screen comes out of the VGA output rather than DVI

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directhex:

compiz allows you to override which screen new windows appear on

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directhex:

if you use compiz

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laga:

i have a 22" samsung now. tomorrow is the last day for returning it.

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juski:

I turned compits off

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juski:

it took only a few hours for the novelty to expire ;)

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juski:

really needs spastic gloves or some other futuristic interface for it to be any real use I think

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juski:

anyway. calm down dear. try not to get too worked up about some guy who wants to make the UI horrible. and think if he succeeds there are other pvr projects which need nice graphics

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laga:

heh

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laga:

yay. 250M updates for my gutsy vm :/

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juski:

there are generally damn good reasons why ui code doesn't let you put every kind of gadget on every screen

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** directhex sticks a color picker in the middle of a menu, just for juski **

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juski:

make a news scroller for the menu screens and you'll have a friend in me. make a scrolling status display for the menu screens and again, thumbs up

[23:54:19]

juski:

actually there's scrolly text stuff in mythui, which the menu code is on now

[23:54:48]

laga:

i should pick up a python book

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juski:

assuming mythpython is ever committed. muhahahahaha

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laga:

heh

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laga:

no, generally speaking.

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laga:

seems a bit nicer than perl

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juski:

where'd OSS be without egos & opinions eh?

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juski:

a million miles ahead of Windows is where :P

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laga:

juski: right. you could become the new jörg schilling!

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directhex:

how about abstracting mythui so it doesn't just use bloody if statements to decide "shall i do a menu fade? y/n"

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juski:

or I could just cut myself open & spill my entrails on the floor

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** directhex hands laga the j00rg schilling award for free software project management **

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laga:

juski: yay

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laga:

directhex: heh. are you referring to the ion guy?

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directhex:

laga, yes!

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juski:

directhex: well, been thinking about menu transitions. I've always thought the fades were er.. well – needed 'something'

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laga:

directhex: i read the flamefest on the ion mailing list. i was truly great.

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juski:

new database setting – menutransitiontype

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juski:

zoomfade, switch, fade, cube, yada

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directhex:

juski, they need abstraction! i wanted to add PRECISELY that capability and gave up once i started reading the code

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Dagmar:

juski: You left out notext, flickermadly, and glitch

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juski:

well, could you not just make a new class & point the menu switching code at that instead of what it does now?

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directhex:

juski, it should be z-layered too. menus should be able to be dynamic whilst some elements remain static (e.g. selecting a menu option slides the old menu out & the new one in, whilst keping common elements like background & other trappings static)

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Dagmar:

That way they won't be bugs

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juski:

directhex: yeah that too

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juski:

Dagmar: lol

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juski:

the 'ati' transition..

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directhex:

juski, the code, last i looked, was HORRID. it's all hard coded to behave the way it does, with some "if" statements to drop everything & do the fade effect if it detects the GL painter is in use

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Dagmar:

Oh wait, and there's the ratsteeth effect for badly configured interlacers

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