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Thursday, September 20th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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GreyFoxx:

laga: I saw IEGD 7 on the intel site. Are you using that or 6.1 ?

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GreyFoxx:

I gotta get my other frontends setup again as I'm getting grief that they are not working in the other rooms :)

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laga:

GreyFoxx: oooh, IEGD 7!

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laga:

GreyFoxx: 6.1 for me

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GreyFoxx:

yeah apparently came out in June

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laga:

back in june? wow

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laga:

so many toys, so little time :/

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GreyFoxx:

I downloaded the huge exe that supposedly has all of it , windows, ce, linux etc in it

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laga:

yay, my name is in the kernel changelog. although it's just "Cc: Michael Haas <laga@laga.ath.cx >"

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GreyFoxx:

the biggest pain I find it constantly patching the kernel

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laga:

i don't patch the kernel

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laga:

i'm using 2.6.20 and the patches wont apply there

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GreyFoxx:

2.6.21.5 on all my machines right now

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laga:

do you have patches handy?

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laga:

although i shouldn't mess with the s100. it's working great.

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GreyFoxx:

no, I mean I just reinstalled everything on the weekend so it's all running 2.6.21.5. I haven't installed IEGD yet

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GreyFoxx:

but it's my next project

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laga:

right

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laga:

do you actually need the pathces? s100 works fine without them

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Slyboots:

Back

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Slyboots:

Right, Uh.. Im trying to use MythGame with Mame

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Slyboots:

But its pretty ropey

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GreyFoxx:

laga: to be honest I haven't tried it without the patches in along time

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Slyboots:

It gives all these settings, that just dont wokr (filtering by Genre, Year or Name)

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Slyboots:

Nor does it give the "correct" ROM name, just the name of the zip

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Slyboots:

Also, does not load up mame correctly either :P

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GreyFoxx:

Slyboots: Those only work if you haveromdb install, and indepth scanning enabled.

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Slyboots:

romdb?

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laga:

GreyFoxx: just checking the release notes for iegd 7.0. only supports xorg 7.0 and some older releases :/

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GreyFoxx:

Slyboots: As for not starting the game, check out the output of the frontend as it will show the exact command being executed to start the game

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GreyFoxx:

Slyboots: yes, a big SQL file with a ton of rom info

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Slyboots:

Where do I get that..

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GreyFoxx:

IT comes with the source

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GreyFoxx:

I have no idea what packagers do

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Slyboots:

ah..

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GreyFoxx:

You can grab a zip of it here http://www.phaze.org/romdb/

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Slyboots:

I built from source

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brainwreck:

thanks bye

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Slyboots:

2005?!

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GreyFoxx:

Slyboots: It's in the mythgame source dir

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Slyboots:

Jeez, Thats.. *badly* out of date ^^

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Slyboots:

Its *two* years out of date ^^;

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GreyFoxx:

Slyboots: Hardly

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GreyFoxx:

So? Have the last 20 years of roms been invalidated in the last 2 years ?

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Slyboots:

16-11–2005 :P

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Slyboots:

There have been roms released since then though

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laga:

send a patch

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Slyboots:

can I have Mythtv open another program instead?

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GreyFoxx:

yup, and it's a miniscule amount compared to the 172509 in there

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GreyFoxx:

Slyboots: What do you mean? You can add menu items to execute any app y editing your theme xml

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Slyboots:

Hmm, Okay Well I'lll try adding the romDB

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Slyboots:

Got the SQL file

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laga:

GreyFoxx: the release notes for iegd 7 only mention patches for up to linux 2.6.15...

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GreyFoxx:

I looked about 6 months ago at what info comes with xmame and there was very little that wasn't already in there. One of these days I'll check it again

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kisp:

Can someone help me get this right: SELECT * FROM `mythconverg`.* WHERE `chanid` =1000

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GreyFoxx:

laga: yeah thatr's my worry :)

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Slyboots:

Right, merging it into the SQL-database

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Slyboots:

Wonder if I can get Nethack on this as well ;)

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Slyboots:

haha

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floppyears:

kisp: what are you trying to do with that query ?

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laga:

GreyFoxx: hum, i would load the exe file into wine to extract it. looks like there is no wine for amd64 in ubuntu :/

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Slyboots:

Perhaps in a PIP :D

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GreyFoxx:

kisp: I didn't think you could do wildcards like that for table names

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GreyFoxx:

I would be very suprised if that worked

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kisp:

But how can i search all the tables for chanid=1000?

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GreyFoxx:

1 table at a time

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Slyboots:

Right, Scanning

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Slyboots:

Lets see if it works

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floppyears:

GreyFoxx: is chanid the name of the mysql column ?

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kisp:

So I have to type in all tables?

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kisp:

chaind is a field on several tables

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GreyFoxx:

Slyboots: MAke sure you enable indepth scan in the setup

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Slyboots:

Yea, Its updating the database.. and taking a while

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floppyears:

kisp: do 1 query at a time

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floppyears:

kisp: are you using mysql5 ?

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kisp:

floppyears: yes, mysql5

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floppyears:

is chanid the name of the column ?

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laga:

GreyFoxx: have you already looked inside the exe?

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kisp:

floppyears: the field is 'chanid' and it is used on several tables

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floppyears:

OK

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kisp:

floppyears: so i have to find all the tables with 'chanid' and then search for 1000?

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floppyears:

yes

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kisp:

Ok, thanks.

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floppyears:

kisp: select TABLE_NAME, DATA_TYPE, COLUMN_NAME FROM COLUMNS where TABLE_SCHEMA = 'mythconverg' and COLUMN_NAME = 'chanid';

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floppyears:

kisp: that will tell you what tables have the column chanid and the datatype of that column

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floppyears:

kisp: that query should reduce the work that you have to do.

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opello:

all of a sudden my mythweb isn't showing a proper program guide, but the frontend shows it fine

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Slyboots:

Hm, Where is the setting for where to save the Mythfrontend log?

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beata:

is there anyway to add a channel through mythfront end instead of having to go into myth-setup

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Sembiance:

So I just updated to 0.20.2 and I just created a SchedulesDirect account, yet mythtvsetup still gets a 401 Unauthorized when attempting to retrieving listings from webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com

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CBiLLL:

I get a 401 unautorized too but it still retrieves my datas

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Slyboots:

Okay this is weird, I fired up mythtv-setup and the front menu is taking over 40s to render..

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Sembiance:

CBiLLL: Hrm, well it doesn't retriev the data on mine. I even paid for it to see if maybe it wo uld work with a non-trial account

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CBiLLL:

I am on trial

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Sembiance:

sigh

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CBiLL:

I think I always seen the 401 .. even on old zap2it

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CBiLL:

but did you add the data when you sign up ?

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Sembiance:

I think you may be right, but for me it doesn't get any data and I get two of them.

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Sembiance:

I have two lineups added on the website, yes.

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CBiLL:

hrmm strange then

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CBiLL:

I would think either you mistyping username (all need to be lowercase) or password

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CBiLL:

but if it downloading data you should see <========<>====>

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CBiLL:

and the <> moves while it downloading

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Sembiance:

CBiLL: It's the all lower case thing that did it. That fixed it.

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CBiLL:

cool 8-)

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Sembiance:

CBiLL: mythtv-setup really should just force it to be all lower case if that's the way it works :)

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CBiLL:

yes it been reported

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CBiLL:

that why I mentioned 8-)

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zntneo:

hello, i recently upgraded to scedules direct and now i can't get anything to record

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zntneo:

anyone know why?

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Sembiance:

CBiLL: thanks for your help :)

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CBiLL:

your welcome

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Sembiance:

CBiLL: oh, and if your ever bored feel free to play my web page. Maybe it'll help you relax, maybe that will be my way of repaying you :)

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Sembiance:

CBiLL: err "web page" == "web game" :)

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CBiLL:

ok heheh

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Sembiance:

CBiLL: http://worldofsolitaire.com by the way

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CBiLL:

I am always tweaking stuff so I am never bored

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zntneo:

no one has any idea why i can no longer record?

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Sembiance:

CBiLL: ahhh :) well if your a web programmer you may want to take a peek too. It's 100% AJAX/JavaScript. So no flash, no java no installs needed but I still think it looks and feels pretty nice :)

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Sembiance:

CBiLL: or if your a MythTV developer and live in north america, let me know as I have an extra HDTV PCI card I don't need

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zntneo:

i'll state my case again. I recently switched to schedule direct now i can not record anything, i also can not watch live tv

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Sembiance:

zntneo: I'm in the process right now of upgrading from trun-14500 to latest 0.20.2 witih gentoo, and this includes changing from the old labs.zap2it to scheduledirect

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Sembiance:

zntneo: I'll let you know if I run into any issues

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zntneo:

should fetch channels from listenings source work?

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Sembiance:

zntneo: my mythfilldatabase had issues, until I realized I needed lowercase username in my mythtv-setup

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zntneo:

i mean within mythtv-setup

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venger:

Sembiance, i just played a round and looks nice and solid, certainly a unique drop down system

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zntneo:

anyone know what this error means "2007-09–19 19:48:21.864 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.

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zntneo:

"?

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Aval0n:

is deinterlace option still in svn?

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Aval0n:

buddy says he's running svn and doesn't see it

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CBiLL:

is there a way to mass delete recording in mythtv ?

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tank-man:

yea, mass tag, then delete

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Aval0n:

rm -rf your recordings dir?

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Aval0n:

:)

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CBiLL:

how you mass tag with a remote then?

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tank-man:

i dont know what remote you have or what your lircrc file is like

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CBiLL:

simlar to mce remote

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CBiLL:

it a firefly

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tank-man:

and your lircrc file? do you have a key bound to "/" ?

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CBiLL:

let me check

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CBiLL:

the key / tags it?

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tank-man:

yes

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CBiLL:

thank I will bind it

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Aval0n:

anyone know if there is a way to have mythtv tune dish network?

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Aval0n:

provided I pay for a subscription

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CBiLL:

you mean to control the dish ird?

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CBiLL:

yes lirc and ir blaster

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Aval0n:

no

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CBiLL:

you can have mythtv control *any* ir devices as long the lirc is configured correctly

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Aval0n:

I mean to get rid of the dish stb

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CBiLL:

oh nope

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Aval0n:

hmm

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adutko:

Hi. Is anyone here?

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cout:

hmm, mythfrontend is telling me "could not connect to MythBackend", but the backend is running

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cout:

(and recording something)

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chris_:

2007-09–19 21:19:50.222 NVP::OpenFile(): Error, couldn't read file: myth://192.168.1.134:6543/ — anyone know how to fix this error... mythtv works but won't stream from the master backend all my other frontends work but this one (fresh install) won't never ran into this error before

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chris_:

all systems are up to date svn as of 2 days ago...

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cout:

must be a bug, I hit enter and everything works fine

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J-e-f-f-A:

ugh... latest svn mythfrontend segfaults on me... gets caught in a ComboBoxSetting loop. Ticket 3962 patch 3962-v1.patch didn't fix it... any ideas?

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CBiLL:

svn back to last known working revision for you?

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J-e-f-f-A:

CBiLL: Yeah, I could do that... I was hoping someone would have a fix though.

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CBiLL:

wish i could help sorry I am new to this

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CBiLL:

but I am liking MythTV

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J-e-f-f-A:

CBiLL: I feel like a n00b... Even though I've been running Myth for about 2yrs, I switched to SVN about 6 months ago for the new features, and when I hit an issue like this, I feel like a n00b...

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CBiLL:

yeah but that what nice about SVM

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CBiLL:

you can always go back with a few keystrokes

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J-e-f-f-A:

CBiLL: Yeah, I guess so. I was running 13655 for a long time... and when I upgraded to 14500 the f/e segfaulted. I see a ticket for it for 14490, so it's still not fixed. I suppose I could try 14489, going back one version until it's not an issue anymore...

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CBiLL:

that what I would do

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CBiLL:

unless there was a sure fix that I could patch myself

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CBiLL:

I preferred watching more tv than using my time to patch or fix things =P

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J-e-f-f-A:

CBiLL: I can still watch with a network media player... the backend and it's uPNP server are working...

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J-e-f-f-A:

CBiLL: It's not optimal, but it works. (and no automatic commercial skip... bummer.)

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regicide666:

Has anyone had any luck with the UPnP and a PS3

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** J-e-f-f-A tries svn 14477 ... Looks like the change to settings.cpp went in for 14478... **

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J-e-f-f-A:

yeah! Mythfrontend doesn't segfault with svn 14478... ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A now to figure out why mythweb isn't working... :-( **

[02:57:06]

just_joe:

i cant get my mythtv frontend 0.20.20060828–4 to talk to the backend of the same version. I can ping the box and see that mythtv is enabled on the firewall what else should ibe looking at?

[02:58:54]

beata:

hmm "dont record" on the upcoming recordings page on trunk dosent appear to be working

[02:59:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

just_joe: did it work before, or is this a new frontend?

[02:59:19]

just_joe:

new frontend

[03:00:13]

just_joe:

why does it think my backend is the localhost?

[03:00:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

just_joe_: Ok, you need to change your backend address in your backend's mythtv-setup from 'localhost' or '127.0.0.1' to your backend's 'real' ip address.

[03:00:22]

just_joe:

i thought i did

[03:00:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

just_joe_: It's read from the sql table on the *backend*...

[03:00:48]

just_joe:

let me look

[03:00:57]

venger:

just_joe, you probably need to run mythtv-setup, to tell it where the db is then it will see that the backend ip is remote

[03:02:32]

just_joe:

for both argh

[03:02:50]

just_joe:

i had it set like that a long time ago but in debugging it i changed it to localhost

[03:03:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

just_joe_: Is it working now?

[03:03:45]

just_joe:

ahh thanks for the help

[03:03:59]

just_joe:

ok i have one other question

[03:04:31]

just_joe:

i have always used this to watch just on my computer. do i have to do anythng special to plug it into a tv?

[03:05:00]

just_joe:

this is a fresh mythdora install 4.0 and i specified the video driver (ati 9250 legacy)

[03:05:14]

just_joe:

just turn it off move it to the tv and boot it?

[03:05:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

just_joe_: Your remote frontend? Yeah, you have to enable the video/svideo output on your video card. (yuck – ati — not sure how to do it with that one)

[03:05:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

just_joe_: You could try that...it might work. I'd suggess 800x600 resolution... 1024x768 may work, but 8x6 is a better bet...

[03:06:21]

just_joe:

hmm my video (monitor still) is slow and jerky on the frontend

[03:06:38]

just_joe:

its an amd 1800 with a 100mb link

[03:07:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

just_joe_: You need an optimized driver. See if there is one for your card, or if you can put in a new card, get an Nvidia!

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just_joe:

yeah this was a spare card... we all know why its a spare

[03:08:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

just_joe_: See if you've got a 'spare' nvidia card... even an old one will be better than the ATI IMHO...

[03:08:22]

just_joe:

im looking

[03:08:29]

banyan:

So, since being zapped with the *zap2it* virus, my ivtv tuners only pick up channels 2–13... Is there an easy recovery for that?

[03:09:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

banyan: Probably the best bet is to upgrade to 0.20.2 and subscribe to www.schedulesdirect.org ... imho

[03:09:44]

banyan:

Never mind, fixed it.

[03:10:00]

banyan:

I already have the schedulesdirect.org subscription. :-)

[03:10:08]

CBiLL:

Howdy .. I know that the Closed Caption (Teletext for you PAL/Euro folks) is recorded into mpeg file and can be extracted coverted into subtitle file but is it possible to record the caption as an open caption "Always visable"?

[03:10:13]

banyan:

Just had to do mythfilldatabase --do-channel-update

[03:10:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

banyan: Ah... I'll bet you had it set for US-BCAST instead of US-CABLE...

[03:10:47]

banyan:

that's what comes of having to blow away one's sources.

[03:12:13]

just_joe:

do i need a great card for the front end tv out?

[03:13:48]

banyan:

The Hauppauge pvr350 gives a fantastic tv out.

[03:14:31]

just_joe:

a tad expensive

[03:14:48]

just_joe:

then again id have 2 tuners..

[03:15:48]

just_joe:

my master backend has an ati rage 128 pro ugh

[03:19:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

just_joe_: No — just about any Nvidia will be great for TV out. Even a GeForce 2 or 3 would do the trick.. ;-) But the newer the better...

[03:19:56]

just_joe:

well i was gonna loop over to a store and grab one

[03:20:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

just_joe_: Are you going to do HD?

[03:20:39]

CBiLL:

how does one change the themes on info box in live tv?

[03:20:41]

just_joe:

nooo i have an old tv

[03:20:57]

just_joe:

s-video or composite tube

[03:21:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

just_joe_: Then any low-buck nvidia with s-video out will do for ya... With the nvidia binary drivers...

[03:21:32]

just_joe:

thanks

[03:22:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

CBiLL: That's the OSD. Try a different OSD setting in the tv settings — I think it's in the playback settings.

[03:22:40]

CBiLL:

ok thanks I was trying to find it

[03:22:47]

CBiLL:

I kept looking in Apperance setting

[03:22:52]

CBiLL:

but going to playback setting

[03:23:18]

CBiLL:

yeah your right

[03:23:20]

CBiLL:

it's there

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just_joe:

eww the only other spare cards i have are an STB (98) and a creative (99)

[03:23:35]

CBiLL:

which one you like?

[03:24:07]

just_joe:

to the store.

[03:24:18]

CBiLL:

restro looks good

[03:24:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

CBiLL: I've been using 'blueosd' for a while.

[03:24:37]

CBiLL:

blueosd lack info

[03:24:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

CBiLL: I find the text description gets truncated often though...

[03:24:50]

CBiLL:

yeah restro seem beter

[03:24:51]

CBiLL:

for that

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** J-e-f-f-A gives retro a try... ;-) **

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... retro looks nice, but truncates my 4-character satellite channels to 3.25 digits... ;-)

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CBiLL:

ah

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just_joe:

so how do i change video drivers... no laughing but i found a geforce3 ti 500

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J-e-f-f-A:

just_joe_: usually by editing your xorg.conf... in /etc/X11/xorg.conf in most distros... I'd probably change it from 'ati' to 'vesa', then shutdown and install the card, then install the nvidia binary driver...

[03:34:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

CBiLL: I like GreyOSD, but it still truncates the channels to 3 digits... Looks like I may be customizing it for my setup... ;-)

[03:35:54]

just_joe:

jeesh it just worked

[03:36:16]

just_joe:

but there are optimized drivers?

[03:38:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

yes. If you check the xorg.conf, it's probably using the 'nv' driver, which is the 'default', non-optimized driver. if it's using 'nvidia', then it's the optimized driver, and will work much smoother.

[03:38:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

just_joe_: You may get away with the default x driver of 'nv'... give it a try...

[03:39:25]

just_joe:

it works on a monitor so far where is the conf file?

[03:39:39]

CBiLL:

grey .. hrmm let me go check this one out

[03:39:54]

just_joe:

nevermind

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J-e-f-f-A:

just_joe_: see above a few lines ^^^

[03:40:13]

just_joe:

its the nv driver

[03:40:56]

just_joe:

so im looking at the nvidia site

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CBiLL:

grey is not so bad but that clock in the way kind of ruins it

[03:41:19]

just_joe:

i need a binary for an old amd cpu with an old card

[03:42:09]

just_joe:

got it

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J-e-f-f-A:

just_joe_: Don't worry about the cpu... I think you need the 'legacy' driver... you d/l it, then have to boot into single-user mode and execute it. (you'll need the kernel sources too btw)

[03:43:05]

just_joe:

and gcc?

[03:43:17]

just_joe:

or just kernel-dev

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J-e-f-f-A:

umm... probably both – It was already on my system (gcc)

[03:44:50]

just_joe:

this is a stock mythdora

[03:45:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

just_joe_: Humm... Does it come with the accelerated driver already? (maybe not the legacy one though?)

[03:45:58]

Anduin:

just_joe: livna/atrpms probably package an nvidia driver for you

[03:46:22]

just_joe:

i downloaded the nvidia one is livna one better?

[03:47:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

just_joe_: If there's a livna one available, it would already be compiled. The nvidia binary driver requires compilation for your kernel. (But it's pretty easy to do)

[03:47:31]

Anduin:

just_joe: It would use the same packaging system so many prefer it (same binary, just work done for you)

[03:48:04]

Anduin:

It just requires kernel-devel

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just_joe:

ahh

[03:48:26]

just_joe:

well the nvidia is downloaded and im installing gcc

[03:48:40]

just_joe:

whichever you think is easier.

[03:48:55]

just_joe:

dont i have to add a repository for livna

[03:49:42]

Anduin:

just_joe: You can, it can make things easier.

[03:50:39]

just_joe:

i guess i can run the install and see if it works otherwise i'll do the livna

[03:54:12]

just_joe:

woops i downloaded the wrong legacy driver

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J-e-f-f-A:

just_joe_: oops!

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just_joe:

yeah I'm that good

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just_joe:

ok so how do i do the lvina repostoy?

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just_joe:

repository...

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Aval0n:

anyone in here run mythtv with a dual dish net STB?

[04:01:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

Aval0n: Yes... but with 3 STBs...

[04:01:43]

Aval0n:

why 3?

[04:02:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

Aval0n: 3 single tuner boxes, feeding 3 myth inputs... ;-) Less conflicts!

[04:02:17]

Aval0n:

hmm

[04:02:22]

Aval0n:

I wanna just use 1 tuner

[04:02:28]

Aval0n:

err

[04:02:31]

Aval0n:

1 STB with 2 tuners

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Anduin:

just_joe: You can install the repository RPM from the main livna page

[04:02:40]

Aval0n:

I actually have one

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J-e-f-f-A:

Aval0n: umm... Does your STB have dual tuners?

[04:02:55]

Aval0n:

yes

[04:03:01]

Aval0n:

but I think it's coax out to the tv's

[04:03:08]

Aval0n:

and I think they have to be set to a channel

[04:03:20]

Aval0n:

there is composite out on the back

[04:03:28]

Aval0n:

but not sure if there's composite out for each source

[04:03:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

Aval0n: Well, tuner1 is probably s-video too... but tuner 2 may just be coax. (not sure, as I don't have one)

[04:03:39]

Aval0n:

right.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Aval0n: Also, the 2nd tuner's remote is probably RF, not infrared.

[04:04:28]

Aval0n:

I think they may both be RF

[04:04:34]

Aval0n:

but I think it accepts IR for both of them 2

[04:04:41]

Aval0n:

my main system is a dish DVR box

[04:04:48]

Aval0n:

but I have my universal remote set to work with it

[04:04:51]

Aval0n:

and it's IR

[04:05:09]

Aval0n:

the dual tuner without dvr is in the kids' rooms.

[04:05:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

Aval0n: As far as I know, there's no RF-channel-change device for myth. If you can switch them to IR, then you're all set. Dish has 3 different IR remote sets.

[04:05:51]

Aval0n:

interesting

[04:07:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

Aval0n: I've got a DP7200 (old PVR), which has it's own IR protocol, then a 3800 and 3900, set to ir codesets 1 and 9... (they use 1, 6, and 9 – not sure why they skipped 2,3,4,5,7 and 8!)

[04:07:22]

Aval0n:

lol

[04:07:29]

Aval0n:

im not sure what I have let me have a look

[04:07:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

Aval0n: I use one serial IR blaster with 3 transmitters, one on each receiver.

[04:08:13]

** J-e-f-f-A looks at the clock and now knows why he's tired! It's after midnight for me... *yawn* **

[04:08:50]

just_joe:

anduin: i found that and then did a yum install kmod-nvidia and then yum install kmod-nvidia-legacy but that returned an error, xorg-x11-drv-fglrx-legacy conflicts with xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-legacy

[04:09:15]

Aval0n:

just says a 322

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Aval0n:

i'de have to unhook it to get clear to the back

[04:09:45]

Aval0n:

and my son will flip out if I turn of his thomas show

[04:09:45]

Aval0n:

lol

[04:09:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

Aval0n: In one of the setup screens it probably tells you the remote code for each tuner.

[04:09:58]

Aval0n:

excellent

[04:10:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

(although that would probably interrupt his show too!)

[04:10:11]

Aval0n:

haha

[04:10:15]

Aval0n:

how much are ir blasters?

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Anduin:

just_joe: You can probably remove the fglrx one (should be ATI)

[04:10:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

Aval0n: Are you handy with a soldering iron?

[04:10:33]

Aval0n:

yes

[04:11:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

Aval0n: Then take a look at the 'home-built' ones on lirc.com — I built a 'buffered' transmitter and added two ir leds to it to put them directly on the receivers.

[04:11:46]

regicide666:

I like the mce remote with the 2 built in blasters

[04:11:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

Aval0n: I had to 'tune' the resistor on the ir leds so it wasn't overdriving the ir receiver's input.

[04:11:58]

regicide666:

a bit over 20 bucks on ebay

[04:12:04]

Aval0n:

I have a mceusb2

[04:12:09]

Aval0n:

does that have a blaster in it?

[04:12:15]

regicide666:

mine has 2

[04:12:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

regicide666: yeah... i haven't tried it yet — I've had one for about a year before the support for the blasters came out. (Plus I don't use a remote on my backend...)

[04:12:23]

Aval0n:

it has 2 headphone size jacks out

[04:12:32]

Aval0n:

1 and 2

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regicide666:

those are the blasters

[04:12:53]

Aval0n:

so i already have ir blasters then?

[04:12:54]

Aval0n:

sweet

[04:12:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

Aval0n: Yep. It should have come with two blasters too. (little red heads on them with sticky tape)

[04:13:06]

Aval0n:

I found one of those

[04:13:08]

regicide666:

my backend is in my room so I use it as a frontend also

[04:13:10]

Aval0n:

I don't think I got 2

[04:14:00]

regicide666:

yes they are

[04:14:00]

regicide666:

you just need the little ir emitter things

[04:14:00]

regicide666:

mine had 2 that came with it

[04:15:06]

Aval0n:

i'll look around but I think I just got 1

[04:15:21]

Aval0n:

that would be super tight if I could keep dish

[04:15:25]

Aval0n:

and use mythtv

[04:15:50]

Aval0n:

i know someone putting dish straight into his mythtv vis dvb-s card

[04:15:56]

Aval0n:

but it's not exactly legit

[04:16:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

Aval0n: Hey, I've gotta crash... I'll be on tomorrow night too – let me know how you make out, and if you need some details on my 3-dish-tuners-with-1-blaster config, drop me a pm — jartz at netzero

[04:16:04]

Aval0n:

so I'm straying away from that seutp

[04:16:06]

regicide666:

anyone know if the schedules direct is actually faster than data direct or is it just me

[04:16:06]

regicide666:

I just got around to setting it up today

[04:16:16]

Aval0n:

ok thanks jeffa thank you very much

[04:17:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

Aval0n: NP... and write down my pm if you need it... ;-)

[04:17:20]

Aval0n:

write down your pm

[04:17:20]

Aval0n:

?

[04:17:23]

Aval0n:

you mean your nick?

[04:17:36]

just_joe:

any body know how to resolve that conflict i posted?

[04:18:13]

regicide666:

what conflict

[04:18:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

Aval0n: I put my email up there... in case we don't cross paths here on the u.g...

[04:18:21]

Aval0n:

oh ok thanks

[04:18:27]

Aval0n:

:)

[04:18:33]

just_joe:

anduin: i found that and then did a yum install kmod-nvidia and then yum install kmod-nvidia-legacy but that returned an error, xorg-x11-drv-fglrx-legacy conflicts with xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-legacy

[04:18:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

..er... channel... (you know what i meant!) (too tired... goodnight all!)

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[04:19:28]

just_joe:

i had tried to install the nvidia legacy driver and then the lvina driver

[04:19:52]

Aval0n:

later

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regicide666:

fglrx is ati

[04:20:21]

just_joe:

you cant have both drivers installed?

[04:20:36]

regicide666:

I don't know yum

[04:20:40]

just_joe:

ahh

[04:22:20]

regicide666:

that is interesting to me

[04:23:12]

regicide666:

why would you need both

[04:23:15]

just_joe:

that im that confused?

[04:23:35]

just_joe:

i had a ati 9250 installed earlier and they convinced me to yank it for a geforce3

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regicide666:

ok so uninstall the fglrx module

[04:24:14]

regicide666:

may be as easy as yum uninstall xorg-x11-drv-fglrx-legacy

[04:24:16]

just_joe:

yeah i thinkin

[04:24:32]

regicide666:

or delete. Like I said I do not know yum

[04:25:50]

just_joe:

yuck that was bad english

[04:26:13]

just_joe:

i just yanked the geforce card its fan was dead and it was burning hot

[04:28:48]

just_joe:

so now in xorg.conf my device is radeon which is correct but the sceen has a real dark blue hue to it

[04:30:02]

regicide666:

I do not know why that would be. Can you post your xorg.conf somewhere

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just_joe:

yeah

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just_joe:

were is a good place?

[04:32:44]

regicide666:

http://pastebin.com/

[04:32:47]

just_joe:

www.shortText.com/l8n191

[04:33:07]

regicide666:

ok let me look

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regicide666:

that is a very basic xorg.conf

[04:35:26]

just_joe:

yes

[04:35:48]

regicide666:

it is using the radeon driver instead of the fglrx driver

[04:36:18]

just_joe:

change radeon for fglrx?

[04:36:42]

regicide666:

I have not used ati in awhile but I think there is a command call fglrxconfig or similar that walks you along and sets it up

[04:37:32]

just_joe:

hmm dont see it

[04:37:55]

regicide666:

you could also try xorgconfig then change the driver line after it sets everything up

[04:38:44]

MilkBoy:

need to have the driver + related software installed for that to work tho

[04:38:53]

just_joe:

not that either

[04:38:58]

just_joe:

im sucking it

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regicide666:

yeah I think he only has fglrx installed

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MilkBoy:

mm.. breakfast =)

[04:40:36]

just_joe:

ugh I have to generate the installer for this?

[04:41:25]

regicide666:

I do not know what the package would be called for your distro to get the extra ati apps

[04:42:08]

regicide666:

try aticonfig

[04:42:25]

regicide666:

aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf

[04:42:41]

regicide666:

I guess they changed it from the last time I used it

[04:43:11]

just_joe:

how to i restart X (yes that was it)

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regicide666:

ctrl + alt + backspace

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just_joe:

thats a tad extreme isnt it

[04:44:30]

regicide666:

I don't know what your distro is and it should not be bad if you log out

[04:44:53]

regicide666:

I am guessing suse

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just_joe:

reboot is a little better, this a mythdora 4.0 box

[04:45:30]

regicide666:

I hate to reboot

[04:46:08]

just_joe:

ctrl+alt+backspace isnt a hard reset?

[04:46:18]

regicide666:

no

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regicide666:

only x

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just_joe:

i only wish i was smarter after I do things I didnt need to do

[04:47:26]

regicide666:

It kills the x server then your login manage will restart the x server

[04:47:33]

regicide666:

manager

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just_joe:

the render is mesa glx indirect

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regicide666:

post the new xorg.conf

[04:48:22]

regicide666:

and check dmesg for an error about fglrx

[04:49:37]

just_joe:

pastebin.com/d6826452a

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just_joe:

no messages in dmesg except the copyright, a max mem locked dma buffers 430MB and module loaded

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regicide666:

change the radeon to fglrx

[04:56:59]

regicide666:

it saved some of your old stuff

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just_joe:

ok

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regicide666:

changed?

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regicide666:

restart x

[04:59:25]

just_joe:

i did

[04:59:32]

just_joe:

i dont thinkthere is any red...

[04:59:57]

just_joe:

yeah its black on the color adjuster

[05:00:18]

just_joe:

ugh

[05:00:27]

just_joe:

or my video cable could have come out

[05:00:37]

just_joe:

looks awesome

[05:00:40]

just_joe:

:-)

[05:01:05]

just_joe:

how do i move this over to my tv now?

[05:01:27]

regicide666:

well my tv has vga so i can not help you there

[05:01:30]

just_joe:

dang... the video is choppy as all hell

[05:02:23]

just_joe:

a radeon 9250 shouldnt be choppy

[05:02:44]

just_joe:

could there be a conflict with all the crap i tried before?

[05:03:06]

just_joe:

your tv has a vga? its a flatpanel?

[05:03:57]

regicide666:

yes

[05:04:25]

just_joe:

not this year

[05:04:39]

just_joe:

so what can be causing the video to be choppy?

[05:04:54]

regicide666:

check thedirect rendering

[05:04:59]

regicide666:

the direct

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just_joe:

mesa glx indirect

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regicide666:

how was it with the radeon driver

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just_joe:

dunno i had the red scrwed up

[05:07:27]

regicide666:

what version is the fglrx driver because they stopped supporting the 9250

[05:08:03]

just_joe:

how do i find that?

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regicide666:

8.28.8 from what i can see is the last fglrx that supports it

[05:08:30]

just_joe:

the card is that old and useless already?

[05:09:13]

regicide666:

I guess

[05:09:26]

just_joe:

how do i look up the version?

[05:09:31]

regicide666:

I don't know much about it but what I am reading now

[05:10:58]

regicide666:

https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.a . . . r-8.28.8.run

[05:11:10]

regicide666:

download that and run it as root

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just_joe:

thats what i did do

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regicide666:

that is the install script from ati

[05:12:14]

regicide666:

really?

[05:12:19]

regicide666:

wow full circle

[05:12:21]

just_joe:

yeah

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just_joe:

dang

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regicide666:

well try with the radeon again now that you have your cable all situated

[05:12:58]

just_joe:

ok

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regicide666:

if there is one thing my cisco classes gave me that I never learn it is to always check the cable first

[05:14:20]

just_joe:

true dat

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just_joe:

but it didnt help

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just_joe:

it was probably the geforce3 that i got to work ok but its fan is melted down

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regicide666:

that sucks

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regicide666:

I always had better luck with nvidia in linux

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just_joe:

well it was in a box in the garage for a reason

[05:15:49]

just_joe:

yeah i think i'll go buy a cheap nvidia tomorro

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regicide666:

thats why I have not touched ati in so long

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regicide666:

my backend/frontend has ati on board but nvidia in the slot

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just_joe:

yeah i never noticed why my unix friends kept handing me ati cards until i am now doing unix and have a pile of crap cards

[05:17:12]

just_joe:

i'll just toxeshrow them all in windows b

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just_joe:

boxes

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regicide666:

the ati card worked well for hd in mce but not with mythtv

[05:17:28]

just_joe:

cool

[05:17:33]

just_joe:

ok i'm outa here

[05:17:45]

just_joe:

i appreciate your help!

[05:17:49]

regicide666:

sorry I couldn't be more help

[05:18:00]

just_joe:

no it was good. my hardware is lacking

[05:18:05]

just_joe:

ciao

[05:18:12]

regicide666:

well keep trying

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just_joe:

i will no worries about that, i just want it working by tomorrow so i can tape my house episodes

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regicide666:

I love that show

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just_joe:

actually my backend is the old one. can i upgrade it for the tv listings or is it easier to just start over with myth4.0 again?

[05:20:04]

regicide666:

mythdora4.0?

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just_joe:

yeah

[05:20:34]

regicide666:

probably just update it

[05:20:46]

just_joe:

it failed the dvd update

[05:20:52]

regicide666:

I had not updated my backend and the hole datadirect thing snuck up on me

[05:21:03]

just_joe:

it is unreal how american hugh acts

[05:21:20]

regicide666:

I just got it fixed today

[05:21:26]

just_joe:

hmm

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just_joe:

how do i do the upgrade by hand?

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regicide666:

I am not sure because i do not know how your package manager is

[05:23:04]

just_joe:

ok

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just_joe:

im gonna go give a whirl

[05:23:28]

just_joe:

probably be back later

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regicide666:

I will probably be asleep but have fun

[05:24:06]

just_joe:

ok and thanks for the help again

[05:24:12]

regicide666:

no proble

[05:24:15]

regicide666:

problem

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regicide666:

good luck

[05:24:30]

just_joe:

thanks

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JoeyJoeJo:

when trying to make a new mythconverg DB, I get this error: "Specified key was too long; max key length is 1000 bytes"

[05:44:14]

JoeyJoeJo:

what causes that/

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JoeyJoeJo:

?

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Aval0n:

what's more effective to help burnin problems

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Aval0n:

signal pattery or pure white

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Aval0n:

anyone know?

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xris:

Aval0n: depends on what type of display

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xris:

generally, the inverse of whatever caused the burnin

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just_joe:

argh i cant get datadirect to update my listings

[06:58:18]

just_joe:

when i do my initial mythfilldatabase it says resolving datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com name or service not known

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Anduin:

just_joe: zap2it is dead, look at schedulesdirect.org

[07:00:20]

just_joe:

this is a fresh mythdora 4.0 install under xmltv listings grabber it only has datadirect for america

[07:00:54]

just_joe:

am i looking inthe wrong area?

[07:02:57]

Anduin:

just_joe: http://g-ding.tv/

[07:05:04]

just_joe:

ok. i have the 4.0 release so the schedules stuff should be in here?

[07:05:37]

just_joe:

doh thats .1 not .2

[07:05:56]

Anduin:

Yeah, that was a separate entry, you wanted the read more link

[07:05:58]

just_joe:

.20–1 rather

[07:07:14]

just_joe:

why is it still called 4.0 if it is not the same?

[07:09:07]

Anduin:

It is an update

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just_joe:

dont i need .20–2 for schedules?

[07:09:52]

xris:

any SD users here want to beta test something for me?

[07:10:21]

xris:

just_joe: .20.2, not .20–2

[07:10:34]

xris:

the dash represents a package revision, not a mythtv revision

[07:10:43]

just_joe:

ahh

[07:11:18]

just_joe:

so dont i need to update mythtv to .20.2?

[07:11:20]

xris:

and (doesn't apply to mythdora), some packages have even improperly been using dates with dots... so that .20.20060107 looks to people like it's newer than .20.2

[07:11:24]

xris:

you do need .20.2 to use SD

[07:11:37]

xris:

mythdora should have a new version out to support SD

[07:11:51]

xris:

I expect that yum should pull in the appropriate updates.

[07:12:04]

just_joe:

im trying that right now

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Anduin:

xris: What is it?

[07:35:47]

xris:

Anduin: log in and try to give yourself a fake/incorrect zipcode

[07:37:53]

Dagmar:

31337 is a good zip code for that

[07:37:58]

Anduin:

I guess not having tried it with a bad one before, error message, is that not from TMS?

[07:37:58]

Dagmar:

Leetsville, OH

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xris:

bought a zipcode database so we can verify the info that people give us

[07:56:17]

xris:

Dagmar: doesn't even exist.. pity.

[07:56:28]

Dagmar:

Well, you wanted a fake zipcode

[07:56:42]

xris:

yeah. but try to put 90210 in for NY, etc. heh.

[07:56:46]

xris:

it won't let you do that, either

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xris:

not too bad, though. only a handful of users who put in completely incorrect zipcode info

[07:58:18]

xris:

it's going to be more of a pain to track down people with bad city names because I noticed a lot of people with correct but misspelled cities.

[07:58:40]

xris:

I'll have to make a pretty UI for that one.

[07:59:57]

Anduin:

Now people will have to be clever enough to provide matching fake data.

[08:00:04]

xris:

yeah

[08:00:22]

xris:

at least I can annoy them back this way. :)

[08:01:03]

just_joe:

so the listings grabber for schedules direct is TMS labs?

[08:01:06]

xris:

I don't want to have to write a street address verification routine, but names like "When You Ask Nicely" bug me

[08:01:14]

xris:

just_joe: TMS, not Labs

[08:01:38]

just_joe:

its listed as North America (TMS Labs) (Internal)

[08:01:57]

xris:

hmm, thought they were supposed to fix that.

[08:02:08]

just_joe:

but thats it?

[08:02:09]

xris:

Labs used to be a subsidiary of Zap2it, but closed down. SD licenses basically the same data that Labs did, though.. with a few improvements.

[08:04:05]

just_joe:

ok but it seems to be trying to connect to datadirect.sebservices.zap2it.com which fails

[08:04:07]

xris:

but yeah, for now, you sign up with SD, but grab the data straight from a TMS server at Zap2it.com. We're currently trying to decide if we want to start hosting the data ourselves (we're nearing the break-even price point based on our user numbers), since it would be a LOT more cost/work to maintain, which means less money over to give to MythTV/etc.

[08:04:19]

xris:

fails how?

[08:04:28]

just_joe:

name or service not known

[08:05:07]

just_joe:

and i can resolve names ok

[08:05:21]

just_joe:

well at least i tested it by surfing the web...

[08:05:35]

Dagmar:

datadirect.sebservices.zap2it.com definitely doesn't resolve at the moment

[08:05:44]

Dagmar:

Don't know if that's the right hostname or not tho

[08:06:47]

Dagmar:

Tribunes nameservers are returning nxdomain

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Dagmar:

Of their four nameservers, three respond with nxdomain, one is unreachable

[08:08:05]

xris:

they were having trouble yesterday, too

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xris:

I know that they are having infrastructure problems, and given the time of night, it wouldn't surprise me if they turned off DNS to lighten the load on their webservers... annoying, though, I'll have to get someone to talk to them — they're not supposed to do this to us now that we're paying.

[08:10:35]

xris:

it should be looking for: webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com

[08:10:52]

xris:

I think you're set up with "DataDirect" and not "Schedules Direct"

[08:11:11]

just_joe:

how can i fix this?

[08:11:25]

xris:

mythtv-setup

[08:12:00]

Dagmar:

heh

[08:12:18]

just_joe:

i dont recall a place where i can change that

[08:12:36]

xris:

I think it's under "sources" or "inputs" ... wherever you go to type in your SD password.

[08:12:47]

xris:

should be an option to choose SD vs DD vs xmltv, etc.

[08:13:53]

directhex|work:

i think i got WMP working as a UPnP client for recordings

[08:14:52]

just_joe:

ahh

[08:15:39]

just_joe:

ok now i am unauthorized

[08:15:52]

xris:

just_joe: you should always get one of those

[08:16:09]

xris:

should be a 401 (unauthorized) with a 200 (good) a few lines further

[08:16:23]

just_joe:

then a 500 internal server error

[08:17:34]

Anduin:

I just connected and grabbed a day

[08:18:18]

just_joe:

ok

[08:19:22]

xris:

yeah, things work fine for me, too.

[08:19:31]

xris:

I need to sleep, though.. can barely keep my eyes open

[08:19:41]

xris:

hopefully myth won't crash again tonight, but at least it's running in gdb now

[08:20:55]

just_joe:

hmm how long does it take for my lineup to propagate from my editing it?

[08:21:40]

just_joe:

ahh that works now

[08:21:53]

xris:

should be instant

[08:22:04]

xris:

yay, I found a mythweb (sort of) bug, too

[08:22:10]

xris:

(my first venture into storage groups)

[08:22:57]

xris:

guess I work on that tomorrow instead of SD.

[08:23:00]

xris:

now it's time to sleep.

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just_joe:

thanks for the help!

[08:23:20]

just_joe:

it was not clear that i didnt have a chnel lineup selected

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just_joe:

but i still dont seem to have a listing

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Led-Hed:

I just installed 0.20.2, I dont see any change to the "Video Sources Setup" area. do I just select "Data Direct"?

[08:30:05]

just_joe:

yeah the backend is running on this box. i can watch tv. mythfilldatabase runs and pulls data but i dont see the channel names

[08:30:29]

directhex|work:

Led-Hed, are you SURE you upgraded to the right version?

[08:30:49]

Led-Hed:

directhex|work, I ran mythtvbackend --version

[08:30:55]

Led-Hed:

version = 0.20.2

[08:31:35]

just_joe:

you have to scroll about half way through the grabber list to find SD

[08:32:44]

Led-Hed:

nope, Just "North America (DataDirect)"

[08:33:48]

Led-Hed:

I installed on Ubuntu 7.04, via apt-get install mythtv-backend-master

[08:34:00]

just_joe:

north america (schedulesdirect.org) i think

[08:34:56]

Led-Hed:

hummm

[08:35:11]

Led-Hed:

I have all the Ubuntu Repos enabled.

[08:35:37]

Led-Hed:

just_joe, what version do you get when you run: mythtvbackend --version

[08:35:38]

directhex|work:

feisty only has 0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu6

[08:35:53]

directhex|work:

i.e. 0.20 with fixes up to 22nd jan 2007

[08:36:01]

Led-Hed:

Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3

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directhex|work:

Led-Hed, which is a build from august 2006

[08:36:26]

Led-Hed:

damn it.

[08:36:37]

Led-Hed:

where do I get the latest version?

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directhex|work:

Led-Hed, there's a reason i told you you weren't running the right version you know

[08:36:54]

Led-Hed:

and that is?

[08:37:50]

directhex|work:

because not pasting actual output from the mythbackend --version command guaranteed you were pre-filtering it

[08:38:04]

Led-Hed:

lol. good point

[08:38:39]

Led-Hed:

Ubuntu FOrums say Feisty 0.20.2 package isnt out yet.

[08:38:55]

just_joe:

ugh why cant i get my channel lineup to show up?

[08:39:03]

just_joe:

all my channels are blank

[08:39:04]

Led-Hed:

Why on earth would I install Alpha software (Gusty) to run my backend?

[08:39:16]

directhex|work:

http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

[08:39:21]

Led-Hed:

just_joe, did you run fillmythdatabase?

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just_joe:

you mean mythfilldatabase? twice

[08:40:09]

directhex|work:

or https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/0 . . . untu0.7.04.1

[08:40:12]

directhex|work:

your call

[08:40:43]

just_joe:

well i just saw it update channel names o maybe this time..

[08:40:53]

Led-Hed:

I hate building from source

[08:41:07]

Led-Hed:

I could have done that on my FC4 backend

[08:41:10]

Led-Hed:

;)

[08:41:25]

directhex|work:

(for the launchpad build, scroll down to "Builds of mythtv", click your arch, click "resulting binaries" on the left, and download the rerquired .debs

[08:41:37]

directhex|work:

(or enable feisty-proposed as a repository if you feel brave)

[08:41:51]

directhex|work:

(or just use the weekly -fixes builds from mythbuntu)

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Led-Hed:

trying the mythbuntu repo

[08:44:05]

Led-Hed:

Library API version : 0.20.20070821–1

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directhex|work:

that's somewhat closer the mark

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Led-Hed:

yup. just ran mythtv-setup and voila Schedules Direct!!!

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willcooke:

juski, Did you get ubuntu working?

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[09:07:58]

joyzlin:

hi there. is there a simple way of adding an existing recording (a file on disk) back to the database?

[09:08:38]

joyzlin:

yesterday, when going between stable and trunk I happened to lost my database and the backup I have doesn't contain the latest recordings

[09:10:35]

Led-Hed:

directhex|work, does the frontend need to be updated to 0.20.2 or just the backend?

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directhex|work:

Led-Hed, the front-end needs to be running the same protocol version as the backend. I'm not sure what protocol versions are involved with 0.20.2 and ubuntu's 0.20-fixes build

[09:21:54]

juski:

willcooke: yeah I got ubunut worky. and desktop effects

[09:22:30]

juski:

and never mind the protocol versions – the _official_ line is that you need to run exactly the same version on all machines

[09:23:11]

juski:

bugger. shared desktop doesn't work – no doubt cos it's all accelerated :(

[09:23:50]

juski:

and I can't ssh in. bastard!

[09:24:11]

Led-Hed:

directhex|work, thanks, I'll see what I can dig up

[09:27:03]

willcooke:

juski, Doesnt sound good. It's very very annoying that openssh-server isn't enabled by default

[09:27:42]

Led-Hed:

how do I set a service to start at boot up in ubuntu?

[09:27:54]

willcooke:

joyzlin, You should be able to add recordings directly in to the "recorded" table in the database – but it's not easy

[09:27:55]

juski:

update-rc.d

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Led-Hed:

juski, thanks

[09:28:12]

juski:

or is it rc.d-update ?

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directhex|work:

the former

[09:28:18]

juski:

anyway something very much like that

[09:29:30]

joyzlin:

willcookie: manually with some INSERTs? isn't there a script or a tool for this task?

[09:29:53]

juski:

mythrebuilddatabase.pl

[09:30:02]

juski:

read the wiki!

[09:30:08]

juski:

read the FAQ!

[09:30:13]

joyzlin:

juski: i am reading the wiki now

[09:30:17]

joyzlin:

didn't find it, though

[09:30:19]

willcooke:

joyzlin, that's how I've done it in the past. Didnt know there was a script to do it for you, darn!

[09:30:27]

juski:

love linux, hate ubuntu!

[09:30:51]

joyzlin:

wiki 23. Miscellaneous doesn't mention it

[09:33:21]

juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . into_Myth.3F

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juski:

it's in the FAQ cos – it's a frequenty asked question. ducking amazing, that

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juski:

ugh. somebody wants to add 'radio buttons' to the main menus? WTF? I'm all for _sane_ development ideas but jesus

[09:47:25]

** directhex|work wonders if the wiki would benefit from instructions on using Windows Media Player as a UPnP client for recordings **

[09:49:57]

laga:

sure

[09:49:59]

laga:

:)

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directhex|work:

i need to test it on the laptop this evening, since that's the only one with a recent enough wmplayer to list UPnP shares

[09:51:59]

directhex|work:

but i found a combination of shonk which makes my desktop machine open recording files without moaning

[09:52:27]

directhex|work:

which ought to be enough. still, it involves some of the strangest codecs... O_o

[09:52:46]

juski:

well, vented my spleen about the 'radio buttons' on the main menu suggestion

[09:52:59]

juski:

where the hell do people get their ideas from? XBMC?!

[09:54:05]

** laga likes the python bindings **

[09:54:20]

laga:

looks like they still need a lot of work, though

[09:54:22]

** laga blinks **

[09:54:31]

laga:

it just dawned on me. damn, that took long.

[09:54:42]

laga:

we can now implement mythbuntu-control-centre using these bindings.

[09:54:51]

willcooke:

python bindings? Who, what, where, when?

[09:54:53]

laga:

yay

[09:55:02]

laga:

willcooke: -dev mailing list, some guy called joahnnes

[09:55:08]

willcooke:

oooooo.

[09:55:14]

** willcooke is excited **

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directhex|work:

pfft, python

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laga:

he hijacked a thread, that's why it's a bit hard to find the message

[09:55:33]

directhex|work:

wake me when there's a MythTV.dll .NET assembly!

[09:55:37]

willcooke:

:)

[09:55:59]

willcooke:

people don't like python because it's easy to use, and that makes programmers mad!

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directhex|work:

i just don't like python

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directhex|work:

syntactically, or as part of my job

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juski:

I just don't like the idea there's suddenly going to be zillions of shitty plugins

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directhex|work:

it's immature as a platform, and showing no signs of growing up

[09:57:02]

laga:

juski: you dont have to install them. and it has benefitted xbmc enormously

[09:57:07]

juski:

it's gonna be a nightmare

[09:57:13]

juski:

benefit

[09:57:19]

juski:

we're not in this for fucking benefit

[09:57:33]

juski:

alrtuisms are for other projects

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Daviey:

Surely many plugins = choice? It's not like users will be forced to use them?

[09:58:47]

juski:

maybe, but then again maybe not

[09:59:22]

laga:

o_O

[10:00:01]

** Daviey hacks into juski's mythbox and --force install of said plugin **

[10:02:47]

juski:

taking the XBMCmythtv 'plugin' as an example – it's way more crashy than anything mythtv itself has

[10:03:07]

juski:

and it's not doing anything especially complex

[10:03:28]

Daviey:

Then the choice is either don't use it, or improve it :)

[10:03:42]

juski:

what's wrong with using proper code?

[10:03:56]

Daviey:

nothin..

[10:04:05]

willcooke:

laga, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . ings;#232357 ?

[10:04:13]

Daviey:

But it's the author's choice IMO

[10:04:15]

juski:

I don't see python as being any better than perl – both tools for doing quick hackish things

[10:04:44]

Daviey:

juski: you now Launchpad is written in python?

[10:04:45]

laga:

willcooke: no, guy's posting was a few days ago

[10:04:57]

Daviey:

s/now/know

[10:05:04]

laga:

[mythtv] New Plugin MythPython and two new MythUITypes for libmythui

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laga:

Daviey: word is that launchpad hasn't been open sourced yet because some of the code is horrible

[10:05:44]

Daviey:

laga: Yeah.. one of the dev's confirmed that to me :D

[10:06:00]

Daviey:

(laga: Shhh.. not helping :)

[10:06:40]

laga:

hehehe

[10:07:22]

juski:

I rest my case

[10:08:12]

Daviey:

python doesn't have to be hacky... any less than using Java etc

[10:08:31]

juski:

true

[10:08:36]

Daviey:

I do agree, that often C++ produces more robust code – but python is very accessible

[10:08:52]

juski:

java doesn't have to be shit code that hogs all of a machine's resources, but 9 times out of 10 it is

[10:09:12]

Daviey:

So, even if nasty python plugins come out – that prompt proper plugins, it can only be a good thing imo

[10:09:56]

juski:

what? like a really good music player plugin?

[10:10:05]

laga:

right. in the tarball, that guy states there are still lots of mem leaks and so on :/

[10:10:16]

Daviey:

well mythmusic is kinda sucky atm :D

[10:10:20]

laga:

hehe

[10:10:38]

juski:

it's all kinda sucky until people step up to improve it

[10:10:55]

laga:

many people have tried it

[10:10:56]

laga:

;)

[10:10:56]

Daviey:

memory leaks... hmm sounds like my production code :)

[10:11:10]

** laga makes a not not to emply Daviey **

[10:11:21]

Daviey:

a not not eg?

[10:11:32]

juski:

note not

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laga:

s/not/note/

[10:11:42]

laga:

bah, i suck.

[10:11:47]

Daviey:

yup

[10:12:32]

Daviey:

Is it also compulsary for most Joomla/Drupal themes to loom rubbish?

[10:12:41]

Daviey:

Is that in the licence or something... can't find a good one

[10:12:47]

juski:

heh

[10:12:52]

juski:

same as winamp skins

[10:12:57]

laga:

use proprietary software. all this OSS stuff sucks

[10:13:04]

Daviey:

Is winamp still going?!

[10:13:18]

juski:

if this is stuff people do in their spare time, they should get more spare time

[10:13:40]

Led-Hed:

for some reason my Mythtv Backend startup script keeps crapping out. where can I find a log to see why it is bombing out?

[10:13:43]

Daviey:

spare time, what is this concept?

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juski:

since migrating my desktop I need to find a fast photo organiser. fstop is s l o w

[10:14:14]

Daviey:

Led-Hed: /var/log/mythtv/* ?

[10:14:19]

juski:

Led-Hed: /var/log/mythtv/...

[10:14:25]

Led-Hed:

thanks.

[10:14:35]

juski:

thanks for pointing out the ducking obvious

[10:15:04]

** Daviey huggles juski **

[10:15:14]

juski:

feck orf

[10:15:15]

** Led-Hed actually found it before juski posted it. but thats what I get for asking before looking **

[10:15:22]

juski:

yup

[10:15:30]

Led-Hed:

nfslockfile.lock: Permission denied

[10:15:45]

Daviey:

ah sudo rm that :)

[10:15:53]

juski:

I hope I can stay away from my website today. days like this are never good for the site

[10:16:38]

Daviey:

juski: Is Adsense worth your while?

[10:16:48]

juski:

nope

[10:16:55]

** Daviey earned ~$0.20 in 3 months **

[10:17:02]

juski:

maybe not til I do a new theme but I can't be arsed

[10:17:24]

juski:

though from looking at glass-wide it's not far off finished

[10:17:41]

juski:

but if I do release it, the 4:3 themes are going bye

[10:18:12]

Daviey:

too much maintaince? Or just think people using myth + 4:3 should goto hell?

[10:18:17]

** laga wants 16:9 TV **

[10:18:18]

juski:

both

[10:18:51]

** Led-Hed has one, and watches 4:3 on it **

[10:19:02]

Daviey:

Led-Hed: good lad

[10:19:13]

joyzlin:

juski: thanks for the FAQ pointer. I have another question about playing a CD/DVD with avi's on it but I'll better read through the FAQ before asking about it ;)

[10:19:27]

Daviey:

laga: Isn't an 'el cheapo 16:9 TV cheaper than the mythbox attached?

[10:19:29]

ivor:

ah 4:3... retro viewing.

[10:19:38]

juski:

make a symlink in your video dir to wherever the disk gets automounted to

[10:19:56]

juski:

anyway, avi's what?

[10:20:00]

juski:

and who is avi?

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joyzlin:

juski: and btw, thanks for 16:9 themes support. Not so long ago it was very hard to get a decent 16:9 theme

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laga:

Daviey: the myth box for my bed room was 50€, excluding 15$ for a wlan nic.

[10:20:46]

laga:

Daviey: 16:9 CRT TV is about 300–400€ here.

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juski:

for the last few months it's been thanks for all the nothing :P

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joyzlin:

juski: avi's is a bunch of files with .avi extension. A Microsoft invented container for audio and video – often used for DivX files

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juski:

with the apostrophe in that context, it's referring to a noun

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joyzlin:

juski: would "avis" be better?

[10:22:22]

juski:

in other words NOT a plural

[10:22:26]

joyzlin:

i know

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joyzlin:

I just took the risk

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Daviey:

you dare devil...

[10:22:50]

joyzlin:

i'll be glad for correct english

[10:23:05]

joyzlin:

so how to say "avi files" in short

[10:23:14]

juski:

grocers' apostrophes are one of my biggest pet hates

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Daviey:

joyzlin: It pay's not to be nice to juski – he doesn't accept thanks too well

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juski:

AVIs

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juski:

it's not a good day today

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directhex|work:

yeah, i like that

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juski:

or any day

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joyzlin:

Led-Heg: I too watch 4:3 on my 16:9 – that's why I came up with the 14:9 zoom

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Daviey:

juski: What's making it bad?

[10:24:07]

juski:

dunno. being alive?

[10:24:18]

joyzlin:

Hed not Heg, sorry

[10:24:27]

juski:

not being on holiday anymore more than likely

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Daviey:

Go anywhere nice?

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juski:

oh and the fcct we're getting a dog! fucking great. always wanted to never get a dog

[10:25:31]

Daviey:

juski: I've got a spare one if you want it

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Daviey:

MrsDaviey, "If we get one I will walk it – you won't need to"

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juski:

went to Laganas on the Greek Isle of Zakynthos

[10:26:18]

juski:

yeah she's going on that tip too – or rather I'm insisting on it

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** Daviey can count on one hand how many times MrsDaviey has walked said dog **

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juski:

well if she never feeds or walks it, it won't happen at all

[10:26:47]

juski:

that can be counted on

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laga:

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