Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, September 15th, 2007, 00:03 UTC

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BULLE:

hmm, usd 15 for 6 months, thats pretty ok price

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BULLE:

thats like 200sek a year

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Luminari:

if all I want from mythtv is the ability to view local videos, videos on network shares, and the ability to download torrents, what would be a good path?

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BULLE:

Luminari: i would say, dont use mythtv

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Luminari:

BULLE: what would you recommend then?

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BULLE:

Luminari: mythtv realy shines when it comes to the pvr functionality, eg tv schedules, recording of video etc

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BULLE:

Luminari: an xbox and xbmc

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Luminari:

BULLE: I was gonna do that, but I read something about not being able to do hi-res video?

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Luminari:

if not I'll order one tonight

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Chicago:

Luminari: Are you asking for a good path as in /this/directory?

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Luminari:

Chicago: path = plan of action

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BULLE:

Luminari: yeas, an xbox wont be able to play hi-res video

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BULLE:

Luminari: its basicly an intel celeron cpu in it, running at 733mhz or something

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BULLE:

so its not the fastest thing on eart

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BULLE:

h

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Chicago:

Luminari: Use MythTV the way it was meant to be used on linux... either mount your videos on network shares with Samba or NFS and then make a big /!/videos directory with hardlinks to the mountpoints of all your videos on network shares.

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Slyboots:

Can it even output in HD res?

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Luminari:

BULLE: thing is I have a 2.5 ghz pc perfect for a tv space sitting here and all I want to do with it is play videos

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Slyboots:

the xbox that is

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BULLE:

Slyboots: hmmm, you mean if it can uppscale ?

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BULLE:

im not sure to be honest

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Slyboots:

Well the xbox can only output to SCART, so that only SD resolutions

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Luminari:

Chicago: is that hard? (I'm assuming not)

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BULLE:

Slyboots: huh ?

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BULLE:

Slyboots: i think all americans would be pretty uppset if an xbox could only output to SCART, as they dont have scart there

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** Luminari doesn't even know what scart is **

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Chicago:

Of course not... unless you don't like practicing smb.conf or /etc/exports syntax... Or if you need to build a kernel configured with SMB and NFS.

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Slyboots:

Wow, You freaks

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BULLE:

Luminari: its an all in one type of cable, with many pins, that is used in the rest of the world ( eg, not in the usa )

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BULLE:

Luminari: it can cary rgb, svhs, composite, sound etc, all in one cable

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Luminari:

BULLE: ahh

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Slyboots:

So what the hell do you use in the US? String?

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BULLE:

Slyboots: svhs is the most commonly used connector

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Luminari:

the US has different cables for everything

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Slyboots:

SVHS what the hell is that?

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Slyboots:

Is that like.. S-Video?

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Luminari:

Chicago: editing config files is fine, recompiling kernels is a waste of my time

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Chicago:

Luminari: I let my computer recompile the kernel...

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Luminari:

Chicago: I'm a programmer, but a windows user... I always found the concept of needing to recompile my kernel to get something to work wierd

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BULLE:

Slyboots: ye s-video svhs whatever

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BULLE:

Luminari: its seldom needed to recompile your kernel actualy

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BULLE:

Luminari: most stuff nowadays comes as loadable modules

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Chicago:

Luminari: The BIOS and the kernel config have the same interface basically.

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Chicago:

through make menuconfig

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Chicago:

Luminari: Plus... you definately want mythtv using realtime security modules... and you've got to add support for it as a module explicitly. I use realtime-lsm

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Luminari:

Chicago: I'll take your word for it, I don't know enough about it to know

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Luminari:

As I said, I just want to play network + local videos and interface with bittorrent, thats all I want the box to do :)

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tank-man:

Luminari, what you ask for is forbidden here i think

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Luminari:

tank-man: why?

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Slyboots:

Weirdo americans.. ;)

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tank-man:

torrents+video access

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Slyboots:

Get with the program and convert like the rest of the world

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tank-man:

yea, cause of america

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tank-man:

and its laws

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Luminari:

tank-man: actually torrents are perfectly legal from a downloaders perspective

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tank-man:

and this legal _video_ torrent service is where?

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Slyboots:

Right, What the heck is wrong with mythfrondend

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Chicago:

tank-man: torrents are a government program and the concept of a torrent was paid for with a US government grant

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Slyboots:

[osx-pkg] log http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/ --revision HEAD --xml | grep revision

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Slyboots:

sh: line 1: log: command not found

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Slyboots:

[osx-pkg] Cannot get head revision – Got ''

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Slyboots:

Died at ./osx-packager.pl line 800.

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Slyboots:

When trying to build mythfrondend for the mac :P

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Luminari:

bittorrent.com., but if thats the problem let me change my request to: "I want to only play videos on network shares and local drives"

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Luminari:

via tv

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BULLE:

tank-man: there are lots of legal torrent downloads

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tank-man:

i know bittorrent is a protocol

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BULLE:

yes

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tank-man:

the protocol isnt illegal

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BULLE:

neither is the use of bittorrent clients

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Luminari:

tank-man: sorta my point

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tank-man:

but i am sure the videos he is wanting to watch/download are not legal

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BULLE:

tank-man: im not

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BULLE:

tank-man: and, you can do illegal things with a car, with a fork, with a spoon

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Luminari:

tank-man: not necessarily

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Luminari:

but forget bittorrent then, I don't care for now, all I want is a video player box

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BULLE:

tank-man: http://bt.etree.org/

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tank-man:

from lurking here, the ops here dont want you talking about torrents

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BULLE:

tank-man: i tend to download some stuff from there, just to see if i can find somethin i like

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BULLE:

tank-man: its all legal torrents

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tank-man:

doesnt matter, not my rules

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BULLE:

tank-man: also, some newssites that i tend to watch, also have their videos available via bittorrent

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tank-man:

just letting you guys know

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BULLE:

tank-man: ok, thanks for that

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BULLE:

perhaps we shouldnt realy talk about http either, as lots of kiddo pron gets served over http each day

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Luminari:

well then whats the best path for just being able to play network + local video files, and is mythtv good for that?

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BULLE:

Luminari: i guess the best bet is to give it a spin, and see what you think

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BULLE:

Luminari: it can surely do what you want

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Luminari:

alright I'll give it a spin and see what happens

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BULLE:

but you wont realy be using the main mythtv application, you will be using the mythvideo plugin

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Slyboots:

Anyway, Anyone any idea why my copy of mythfrontend wont compile on my system?

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BULLE:

thats basicly mplayer

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BULLE:

or the internal player in newer releases i guess

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Slyboots:

Seems to be missing a command called "log"

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Luminari:

BULLE: yeah noone seems to want to write video players :(

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XLV:

Luminari, basically you need a TV UI for mplayer

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Luminari:

XLV: exactly

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Luminari:

does such a thing exist

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Luminari:

?

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tank-man:

xbmc

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tank-man:

but it doesnt do HD video, but i dont know where you get free HD video

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Luminari:

tank-man: if it could play hi-res video I'd buy one right now

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BULLE:

there is a windows rewrite of xbmc

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BULLE:

that runs on windows

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BULLE:

it can surely do hd video

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Luminari:

BULLE: yeah? where do I find it?

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BULLE:

hmmmm

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BULLE:

http://www.team-mediaportal.com/

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BULLE:

i have never tried it though

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Luminari:

I'll check it out, thanks

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BULLE:

Luminari: its gpl just as mythtv so its a free download

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Luminari:

cool

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BULLE:

Luminari: in an ideal world, you would try both mythv and mediaportal, and then tell me about what you thought about them

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BULLE:

as i dont have a wintendo machine to try mediaportal on

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Luminari:

BULLE: considering I don't have to reinstall for that I'll try mediaportal first :)

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LinuxMafia:

hi

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LinuxMafia:

i have 2 problems

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LinuxMafia:

first i see black screen , i only have sound

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LinuxMafia:

second how can i change fullscreen mode

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Kazan:

black screen.. as in black video window?

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Kazan:

fullscreen mode is in settings

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Kazan:

uncheck "Run frontend in a window"

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LinuxMafia:

Kazan, yeah black video window

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Kazan:

using Xv overlay?

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LinuxMafia:

Kazan, i dotn know

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Kazan:

probably

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Kazan:

dual monitor system?

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Kazan:

or monitor+svideo

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Kazan:

(even if no monitor is connected)

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LinuxMafia:

no just a monitor

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Kazan:

what video card?

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Kazan:

did you check frontend's output/logs

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** NightMonkey guesses there's a PVR-350 involved here somewhere. **

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LinuxMafia:

kazan , 2007-09–14 20:28:34.934 VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed

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LinuxMafia:

2007-09–14 20:28:34.980 VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'NV17 Video Texture'

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LinuxMafia:

X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8

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LinuxMafia:

2007-09–14 20:28:52.703 TV Error: StartPlayer(): NVP is not playing after 20000 msec

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LinuxMafia:

Kazan, how can i get to the setting , mythtv-setup? or mythforntend-->setting?

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pete:

I just installed mythtv. I'm having trouble with mythfilldatabse

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pete:

I signed up for scheduesdirect, do I need to pay imemdiately, or will the trial work for a day or so?

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LinuxMafia:

Kazan, 04:07.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05)

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pete:

cause I haven't paid yet and mythfilldatabse throws errors

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Kazan:

you're trying to use XvMC

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Kazan:

setup via mythfrontend

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Kazan:

is that a pvr-350?

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Kazan:

pete: trial should work for a day or so i think

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Kazan:

actually a week i believe

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Kazan:

LinuxMafia: you're trying to use XvMC which is only available on nVidia boards and OpenChrome

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Kazan:

LinuxMafia: if that's a PVR-350 you're trying to use for output (why? why?!) then you need to set it to that

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Kazan:

mythfrontend->Setup->setup->tv settings->playback

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LinuxMafia:

Kazan,

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LinuxMafia:

Kazan, how can i change this full screen mode , i can nor seee any thing

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pete:

Kazan: If I use the OTA listings as my Video Source, do I still have to run mythfilldatabse?

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pete:

linuxMafia: mythfrontend -gemotry 640x480 or something like that I think

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pete:

that's geometry, not gemotry

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LinuxMafia:

Kazan, it is pvr-350 but in playback i have to change thatxvMC?

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LinuxMafia:

pete, thanks , this full screen killed m

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LinuxMafia:

e

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pete:

no problem

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NightMonkey:

LinuxMafia: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Troubleshooti . . . .6.19_and_up

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NightMonkey:

Man, everyone bags on the PVR-350, but for SD (and only SD), it rocks for fidelity.

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dmz:

ok fun one here...i just had one one of my slaves take over for the master which died. master is still nfs server for all content so slave didn't take over it's ip. now when i try to view a recording it tries to connect to the old master to play it instead of th new one. what can i tweek to have it connect to new master?

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LinuxMafia:

thanks NightMonkey

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NightMonkey:

LinuxMafia: No problem. I don't wanna mess with the Linux Mafia, that's for sure. ;)

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LinuxMafia:

NightMonkey, thanks alot

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LinuxMafia:

:P

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LinuxMafia:

LinuxMafia, = Love Linux + Hate Microsoft

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dmz:

nm, just updated the settings for it's ip to the new ip :)

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LinuxMafia:

oh

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LinuxMafia:

it worked

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LinuxMafia:

but

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Yahooada2:

how do i install libjack on debian (well xebian)

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georgek:

Would anyone happen to know if/when the developers are planning on adding 'sort by create date' to MythVideo?

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pete:

MythTV is really well done

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pete:

I'm amazed

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pete:

I'm assuming mythbackend will record even if mythfrontend isn't running?

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Yahooada2:

yes ofcourse :)

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pete:

How fast of a pc do you need to record an HDTV stream?

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Yahooada2:

doesnt need to be that amazing, but playing it back is what really needs the help

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pete:

that is the opposite of what I would have thought

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Yahooada2:

no beacause HDTV is very compressed, its broadcasted and recorded, but doesnt really need to be encoded much

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Yahooada2:

when you play it back you have to uncompress it, thats when you hit the problem

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beata:

compiling on a core duo is realy fast

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pete:

SchedulesDirect says I'm unauthorized when I run mythfilldatabase, but I can log in to the website no problem. Any ideas?

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pete:

I am still only a Trial user and I only signed up two hours ago

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kdubya:

xvidtune tells me every modeline is invalid on my plasma

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kdubya:

even the one i am using

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kdubya:

is that like

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kdubya:

normal

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ol_schoola:

beata: core duo = 32 and core 2 =64-bit?

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beata:

im prety sure its 32bit

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ol_schoola:

ahh, found it. core duo is 32, core 2 duo is 64

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beata:

yea

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ol_schoola:

thinking of going to intel for the first time in long time

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ol_schoola:

this macbook pro blew my socks off

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beata:

i have no realy strong oppions either way

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Yahooada2:

Table 'program' is marked as crashed and should be repaired

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Yahooada2:

uh ... how :(

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Yahooada2:

nvm got it :)

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Yahooada2:

phpmyadmin ftw

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beata:

im upgrading from 20.2 to svn, will there be any problems with my db?

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Anduin:

beata: If there are, report them.

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Yahooada2:

i was wondering why my upcoming recordings werent showing

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Yahooada2:

blooming crashed table >_< i lost 3 days of recordings lol

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kdubya:

why

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kdubya:

the hell

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kdubya:

are my modelines not being used

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kdubya:

i so did this like 4 months ago and now i have been working on it for like 2 days

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Nytowl:

I upgraded to 20.2 a few days ago and the backend crashes periodically

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kdubya:

awesome

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Nytowl:

the message is ASSERT: "it.node != node" in /usr/include/qt3/qvaluelist.h (301)

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jblack:

myth is trying to delete from an empty list

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jblack:

Did you get a traceback?

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Nytowl:

no not yet I can get that soon

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jblack:

Great.

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Nytowl:

How do I generate a traceback ?

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mcquaid:

how do i determine the sourceid?

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jblack:

You'll need a myth with debugging symbols enabled, you'll need to turn cores on

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jblack:

then you can use gdb to get a backtrace

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tank-man:

mcquaid, from mysql prompt

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mcquaid:

yes, but how exactly?

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tank-man:

i did it with google :)

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mcquaid:

heh, that's what i'm doing

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tank-man:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythfill . . . of_your_card

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mcquaid:

thanks

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NemesisD:

hi all, ive got my 7800gt hooked up to my tivo with video in/video out, audio through line in, all i need to do is be able to watch video in a window, i'm running ubuntu, is this possible?

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mcquaid:

hmm, i thought my sourceid might be incorrect, but i'm specifying the right one

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jblack:

Does anyone have the svn for myth handy? If so, is the latest revision "Fix from Mark Kendall for a software bobdeint with OpenGL output" ?

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jblack:

nemesis: Yes. It's one of the options in mythfrontend.. Mind you, though, that the window isn't automatically resizeable

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mcquaid:

trying to figure out why mythfilldatabase --file 1 -1 xmltv.xml is failing

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jblack:

As in you can tell it to be a window, and you can enter #s for the resolution, but you can't resize with dragging

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mcquaid:

it worked once, when i removed the source that was there and added a new one

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mcquaid:

but updating is not working

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mcquaid:

ah i think i figured it out

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NemesisD:

whoops, it seemed to have restarted x11, whoever i was talking to, running mythfrontend just takes me through the setup and then doesn't do anything

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jblack:

nemesisid: You'll have to finish setup for setup to save.

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NemesisD:

jblack, ok, i think i was on the last screen it had finish, is there anything else i need to do

[03:02:52]

jblack:

well, you said you wanted myth as a window. You can go back into the Setup->Setup->TV settings I think

[03:03:05]

NemesisD:

jblack, in mythfrontend?

[03:03:08]

jblack:

Yes.

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NemesisD:

ok ill try that now, hopefully it doesn't restart x

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jblack:

There's an option to use windowing mode, and to set a resolution. You won't be able to resize the window by dragging though — you'll have to list the resolution by hand

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NemesisD:

jblack, something is amiss, there's only like 3 pages, the last page is just database configuration 2/2 and then when i hit finish it will just close

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jblack:

Ok, then try appearance

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NemesisD:

thats not in there either

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NemesisD:

theres a window to choose language, then 2 to set up the database and then it acts as if it's finished and closes

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jblack:

Yes, It's in appearance.

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jblack:

The first page for appearance is theme. The second page has, among other things, "run the frontend in a window"

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jblack:

me goes out for a smoke

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jblack:

back

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beata:

hdhomerun, if i plug in a cable to tuner 1, can tuner 0 use it? or do i have too split the cable and feed both tuners?

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jblack:

You have to split the cable, of course.

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beata:

bah, pvr-500 you dont have to

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NemesisD:

jblack, my bad i didn't have mysql configured at all

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jblack:

Sorry. Not too familiar with that particular model. I use the 5500s from pchdtv.com

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beata:

i dont have enough cables blah

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beata:

np

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tjcarter:

so someone said something about the possibility that I could set up certain channels for certain inputs only in trunk..

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tjcarter:

I have a cable box that does HD over firewire, but ONLY HD (and only some of of that)

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jblack:

You should be able to do that with .20 in mythtv-setup. Just specify which channels are hooked to which tuners.

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Yahooada2:

u dont have to on teh Nova-T 500, beacause it has an internal ampy thing to split it for you

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Yahooada2:

but as far as i know every other card requires an input for each tuner

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tjcarter:

jblack: er, I don't see how to do that..

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jblack:

tjcarter: I believe it's the last option in mythtv-setup, where you do channel scanning and such.

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Yahooada2:

tjcarter – make a video source for each tuner

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Yahooada2:

i think

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jblack:

alternatively, you can use different zip codes, set up two schedule feeds, one for each tuner, and adjust them that way.

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jblack:

I used to do that when I was doing both NTSC and HDTV. I pulled for 18702 and 18701

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tjcarter:

ahh I see

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NemesisD:

jblack, do i need to restart it or something once i choose run in window? i can't seem to figure out how to resize it

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Yahooada2:

uh yeah if its not in a window, you will have to

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Tall-guy:

lads, I'm halfway thru a "wipe clean" reinstall, and am backing up my vids and sql db, can someone explain to me what DOESNT come over when I extract data from my sql backup as per http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7

[03:15:06]

jblack:

nemesis: I told you. Mythfrontend, settings, setup, appearance, second window

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tjcarter:

My current setup is analog on tuner 1, cable box on svideo 2, and FW connection basically unused except for channel changing

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jblack:

as I told you, to resize, you have to enter the resolution by hand. You won't be able to resize by dragging.

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Yahooada2:

tall-guy – your listings, capture cards, etc etc

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jblack:

See the gui width and gui height? That's how you specify the window size.

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NemesisD:

ah so i need to calculate the aspect ratio

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Yahooada2:

you can see what doesnt come by looking at the databases you didnt copy :p

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Tall-guy:

Yahooda: and seeing as I'm doing a mythdora install, instead of my current fc6/myth install, thats probably a good idea right?

[03:16:27]

Yahooada2:

probably

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Tall-guy:

(ie: not bringing that other crap across)

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Yahooada2:

it will move your recorded programs

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Tall-guy:

plus I'm moving to sked direct

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Yahooada2:

looks like thats about it

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tjcarter:

So what I wanna do here is create three inputs from just the one lineup, 2–99 being on available on all but FW, 100+ being cable box only, and 750+ being FW only

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jblack:

make sure you read the privacy policy first

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Tall-guy:

jblack: that directed at me?

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jblack:

Yeah

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Tall-guy:

I'm very unprivate...I'm cool with the agreement.

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tjcarter:

Yahooada2: this is correct?

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Yahooada2:

i thought jblack was helping u tjcarter :p

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NemesisD:

jblack, ok so its scaled now but i keep getting could not connect to the master backend server — is it running?

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jblack:

I'm tryingto help everyone

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Yahooada2:

ha ha :p

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jblack:

And play poker.

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Tall-guy:

jblack: hit me

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Yahooada2:

nemesis, is this a combined FE/BE box ?

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jblack:

nemesis: did you install mythbackend?

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jblack:

and set it up?

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NemesisD:

apparently not

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Yahooada2:

lol

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jblack:

You have the browser. Now, you need the server

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NemesisD:

okie dokie

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tjcarter:

Yahooada2: issue...

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tjcarter:

Yahooada2: how do I tell Myth that it cann't use cable box for both FW and S-Video at same time?

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Yahooada2:

i really have no idea, dont get FW over here in blighty :p

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NemesisD:

jblack, actually it shows mythtv-backend as being installed, where do i configure it?

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Yahooada2:

mythtv-setup

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Tall-guy:

damn my vids take a long time to move...who the hell recorded all this crap?? :)

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Yahooada2:

well im hoping you did ?

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tjcarter:

=D

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NemesisD:

wow i have no idea what card type mine would be

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jblack:

tall-guy: I know your pain

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jblack:

I replaced a 200 gig hard drive. Twice in a week

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Yahooada2:

what card is it nemesis ?

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tjcarter:

Tall-guy: this is what you get for telling Myth to autorecord all the softcore pr0n on premium channels..

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NemesisD:

nvidia 7800gt

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Tall-guy:

haha, I wish.....I got 10 freekin hours of the gawdam backyardigans

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Tall-guy:

i'm thinking its time for the 1.6TB Nas box

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Yahooada2:

lol

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Yahooada2:

make your own, much more fun :p

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** jblack watches triple sixes on the flop **

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Yahooada2:

1tb drivers are *only* $400 or somthing lol

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jblack:

a 750 gig drive is... $250 or so.

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NemesisD:

its really not some sort of tv tuner card or anything, just happens to have video in

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Yahooada2:

i got a 500gb drive for £50 so ....

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Yahooada2:

750gb/1tb seem a bit overpriced for what you get

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Tall-guy:

I'll probably just buy one, so I get a nice tiny box and not an ugly pc with drives :)

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NemesisD:

ok ive put it off long enough, i really should shower now

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jblack:

Think it'll be fast enough?

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Yahooada2:

?

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Tall-guy:

well, it'll be a GIG...and sata3/gb so I would hope so.

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Yahooada2:

500gb drives are quite fast

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jblack:

I had the impression you were talking external drivers

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Yahooada2:

so i expect 750/1000gb drives are very fast

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Tall-guy:

gig nic.

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Tall-guy:

= external

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jblack:

No, I mean the 1tb external drive

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Yahooada2:

esata ?

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jblack:

never mind

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Tall-guy:

hehehe

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Yahooada2:

lol

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Tall-guy:

http://www.iomega.com/direct/products/family. . . . 189826964438

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Yahooada2:

basically the terastation ...

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Tall-guy:

well, sure, if you like buffallos

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Yahooada2:

better then a biasen

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Tall-guy:

apparently none of us kan spel

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Yahooada2:

i dunno, cant remember the joke

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tjcarter:

Yahooada2: Apparently the thing I need is an input group. I don't think this exists yet. =(

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Tall-guy:

LVM for inputs? :)

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Yahooada2:

why does everyone think i know :p

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tjcarter:

Tall-guy: no, I have cable box.. It is connected via firewire and also via S-Video

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tjcarter:

it cannot feed both at same time

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Yahooada2:

why not just use the firewire ?

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Tall-guy:

vid by firewire?

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tjcarter:

Yahooada2: Because it works for exactly 5 channels.

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tjcarter:

and only those 5.

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tjcarter:

S-Video and component are used for the other 200

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tjcarter:

but we don't have a way to get component in to a Myth box effectively

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Yahooada2:

ah

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Yahooada2:

gotta love encryption

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Tall-guy:

curious as heck why only 5 outta 200.....oh wait...nevermind

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tjcarter:

the 5 are the HD channels that are in the clear

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tjcarter:

there's another 15 HD channels not in the clear

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Tall-guy:

dang, that blows hey?

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Tall-guy:

(no compassion at all in my voice)

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pavon:

Hi, I am new to mythtv, and just changed deleted a bunch of premium channels that I don't have from my lineup at schedulesdirect, and now my schedule is completely messed up.

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tjcarter:

pavon: delete your channels in mythtv-setup, then download the channels from listings source again

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pavon:

I suspect that it may be because the database has old/obsolute info from the removed channels, that is being improperly mapped to the new set of channels.

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tjcarter:

pavon: this should do it

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hobiga:

has anyone successfully compile the latest svn on their xbox?

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NemesisD:

ok so is it possible to use a 7800gt with mythtv? i don't know what card type it is

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tjcarter:

nvidia =p

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hobiga:

I keep getting errors in util-opengl.cpp

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NemesisD:

eh its good for gaming :)

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tjcarter:

yes

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tjcarter:

Use the OpenGL painter in MythTV

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tjcarter:

you don't have xvmc, so ...

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NemesisD:

well under card type is it analog v4l capture card or what

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hobiga:

what config option is that?

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NemesisD:

under capture card setup, its card type

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pavon:

tjcarter: okay, that worked. Thanks. I had tried it before, but that it wouldn't let me leave because the startup channel did not exist, so I went back and had it "Fetch channels from listings source" before running mythfilldatabase, which messed things up I guess.

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Yahooada2:

nemisis wants to use his 7800GT as a video input

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Yahooada2:

i dont think u can do it though as nvidia probably never bothered to write that bit of the drive

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NemesisD:

yes, i don't even want to record or anything, just watch video from my tivo thorugh my 7800gt

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tjcarter:

oh, yeah, probablty NV hasn't bothered to support it

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NemesisD:

they have a wdm driver that i've used with windvr in windows

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Yahooada2:

thats windows

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pete:

crap, my storage got messed up and now myth complains cannot ifnd file "/mnt/storewhatever.mpg" whenever I try to watch tv. Is there any way to clear out mythtv's storage so it stops expecting files to be there and starts fresh?

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NemesisD:

yeah

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Yahooada2:

were talking linux here, the god of all hardware manufacturer drive neglect

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Yahooada2:

driver #

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NemesisD:

so not possible?

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Yahooada2:

pete- i think u need to empty your "recorded" table

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Yahooada2:

i doubt it nemesisd, i cant find anything with a quick google

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pete:

Yahooada2: how do I do that?

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NemesisD:

darn

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Yahooada2:

do u have phpmyadmin installed

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NemesisD:

so ill have to turn my head around and watch tv on my television :P

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Yahooada2:

or get a tv tuner ;)

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NemesisD:

nah not worth the trouble

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Yahooada2:

less trouble then getting ure nvidia card to work would have been ;)

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NemesisD:

oh my card works fine for what it was designed for, this is just a silly luxury

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Yahooada2:

pete, the sql command is truncate table `recorded`

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NemesisD:

thanks for the effot guys

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NemesisD:

catch you later

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Yahooada2:

but id use phpmyadmin just cos its so much easier to use ....

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Yahooada2:

nn yall

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tjcarter:

okay, I need someone (preferably someone who knows their way around trunk a bit and has some idea how convoluted people's input setups can get) to bounce a potential solution off of... If it makes sense, I'll start looking at implementation possibilities. =)

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cout:

why might I be able to receive one digital station but not another digital station broadcasting from the same tower?

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mchou:

hmm, you sure the other station uses that tower?

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cout:

mchou: there are three stations listed with the fcc at the same longitude/latitude, so I assume they are the same tower

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mchou:

cout: nope. check out antennaweb.org

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cout:

did that

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mchou:

and did it say the same tower?

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cout:

antennaweb doesn't list half the stations in my area

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cout:

it does show those three channels at the same orientation away from me

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cout:

one of the channels is PBS, and I do recall reading that they were broadcasting from some else's tower

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cout:

but I coudn't find that article when I looked again tonight

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mchou:

cout: where you live?

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cout:

charleston, sc

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mchou:

cout: and which 3 statins?

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cout:

wcsc, wciv, witv

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mchou:

stations*

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mchou:

what networks are those?

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cout:

wcsc (the one I can't get) is cbs, wciv is abc, and witv is pbs

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mchou:

cout: link me to your antennaweb page

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mchou:

like put the output in pastebin or whatever

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cout:

http://rafb.net/p/riRq2545.html

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mchou:

in any case if you view "street level map" this should more or less confirm whether they are broadcasting from the same tower

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cout:

also http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp?lat . . . how+Stations

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mchou:

cout: so which of the 3 stations do you get?

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tjcarter:

horray for tinyurl! =p

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cout:

I get everything ecept wcsc

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mchou:

well, beats me

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mchou:

according to the output wcsc is same tower

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cout:

I figured it might be some encoding difference or something

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mchou:

doubtful

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cout:

at one point I was able to pick it up on the scan but I never could get a lock

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mchou:

what antenna you using?

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cout:

it's a terk indoor antenna

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

no wonder

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cout:

I tried outdoor but it didn't work as well

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mchou:

no, terk is the shits

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mchou:

indoor or outdoor

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cout:

works better than any of the other antennas I tried

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mchou:

cout: what other antennas you try?

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cout:

something from philips, and a couple different channel masters

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cout:

plus the indoor/outdoor antenna that radio slack sells

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mchou:

no way terk is going to beat those other antenna you tried

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mchou:

as a first step, I'd try a Silver Sensor

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mchou:

channel master should blow all these el chapo antenna out of the water

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mchou:

you should also make sure there isn't too much multipath issues in your local neighborhoop

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mchou:

hood*

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cout:

silver sensor is pretty much the same antenna as what I've got

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mchou:

cheapo*

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mchou:

it's also possible that wcsc is using vhf

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mchou:

silver sensor is only uhf

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cout:

hmm.

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cout:

my antenna is vhf/uhf, but I don't keep the rabbit ears out

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mchou:

well well

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cout:

they couldn't broadcast both the analog and the digial signal on channel 5, could they? and anything above channel 6 is uhf anyway?

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mchou:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCSC-TV

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cout:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?state=&cal . . . =&size=9

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cout:

fcc says it's 47

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cout:

and so does wikipedia :)

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mchou:

wow....

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mchou:

learn something new everyday

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cout:

what's that?

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mchou:

Sandra Tsing Loh

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mchou:

is a fellow alum.....

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mchou:

man, I've been out of it

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mchou:

need to be more hip

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beata:

Anyone have any guidance on how to map the found channels from a channel scan(hdhomerun) from usa cable(Comcast)?

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cout:

weird, azap reports a high snr with zero signal

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djdarkman_:

hy is there a linux tv tuner card compatibilty page? I want to buy a cheaper card that is fully compatible with mythtv

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jblack:

the pchdtvs cost about $130 and support everything but cablecard...

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floppyears:

hi guys

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floppyears:

I'm compiling mythtv from source, but make is giving me the following error: http://pastebin.ca/698353

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floppyears:

any hints on fixing this ?

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mchou:

floppyears: lol

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mchou:

i386 is not compatible with x86–64

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mchou:

sigh

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mchou:

clueless ppl

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floppyears:

mchou: yes, but how do I go about fixing it ?

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mchou:

./configure

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mchou:

compile stuff for x86–64 instead of i386

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mchou:

well, at least I'm assuming you have x86–64 libs installed

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floppyears:

no, this machine is 32 bits

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floppyears:

./configure says: CPU x86_32 (model name : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor)

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mchou:

then you installed the wrong libs

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floppyears:

mchou: the question is which ones ?

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mchou:

wtf is your problem

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floppyears:

dpkg -l | grep 64 doesn't show anything useful

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floppyears:

?

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mchou:

it's all the ones that's id'ed in pastebin's output

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floppyears:

ok, I didn't know those were libraries

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mchou:

it's saying all those object files are x86–64

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floppyears:

locate says that those libraries are in: mythtv/libs/libavutil/

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floppyears:

I got those libraries from downloading the source of mythtv

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mchou:

huh??

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mchou:

dont be daft

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mchou:

d/l mythtv source doesn't give you libraries

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floppyears:

mchou: http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv/libs/

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mchou:

floppyears: dude, dont waste my time. you see any *.o in those dirs??

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mchou:

wtf

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floppyears:

yes

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

you see *.o in svn?!

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mchou:

dont be a total dork

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floppyears:

I'm not a c programmer

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mchou:

so what do you expect me to do about that?

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floppyears:

anyway, I figured out what was my problem

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floppyears:

thanks for your help

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SiD3WiNDR:

ever so helpful eh mchou

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jblack:

uhhhh...

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jblack:

well, taking it back a step, at least for amd64, they _are_ compatible with 32 bit libs. ;D

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jblack:

Never mind. you already answered your problem

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Hoxzer:

Aargh, this is just gr8 I can't see what "max recordings" field does because my window is too small and my font size it too big (just gr8 for CRT tv)

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tank-man:

it should have it auto scroll the text so you can see

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Hoxzer:

"if this is set to value greater than one Mythtv can sometimes take advantage of ....<cant't see>"

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Hoxzer:

tank-man: so it should automatically scroll that text without any button pressed ?

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juski:

mythtv doesn't autoscroll nuffink

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tank-man:

no, i mean in a perfect world :)

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juski:

the max recordings field sets the maximum number of recordings of a particular show to keep

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Hoxzer:

oh...

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juski:

depending on the rule you set it'll either record a set number and no more than that, or it'll record a set number of showings and delete old showings

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juski:

so say you set The Daily Show to have a max no. of showings of three, and allow it to delete old recordings, you'll end up always having the latest three editions

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juski:

heh. there's no wiki page for 'recording options'. sweet

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juski:

actually the option for the max no of recordings is within storage options. doh

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juski:

but then there's no wiki page for that either. yeesh

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sebrock:

I'm having some trouble to upgrade to 0.20.2 using ubuntu resp

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sebrock:

apt-get gives only update on libmyth while aptitide says "unsatisfied"

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sebrock:

any clues on this?

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sebrock:

unsatisfied is on the other packages

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sebrock:

no input on this matter :D

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Hoxzer:

Hmmm seems like multirec likes to use another card whenever possible

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Patina:

How do I know which tuner I have? It's a hauppauge wintv express (bt878) and I want to set tuner=xx parameter to the bttv driver.

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laga:

by looking at the tin box usually

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Hoxzer:

should mythweb work with multirec ?

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Patina:

laga: So, since it says "PAL-B/G", I should use tuner=5?

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Patina:

That doesn't seem to work.

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laga:

um

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laga:

do you release

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Dagmar:

Think of the kittens@

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laga:

err

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laga:

do you realize that there's a lot of tuners for PAL? :)

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Patina:

laga: Probably the reason why I can't figure out which one to use. ;-)

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laga:

Patina: there's also a bttv gallery if it doesn't say which tuner to use on the tin box

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Patina:

laga: There is, and with lots of pictures too, but I don't see how this helps me identify the tuner.

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laga:

sometimes the tuner is listed there.

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laga:

hum

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laga:

Patina: isn't the tuner auto-detected?

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Patina:

laga: No it isn't, it set to 4, which is no tuner.

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laga:

:/

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Patina:

Well I'm browsing through the pictures, and I might just find the right one, it's a bit slow work since my kernel can't unload modules.

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laga:

i won't even ask why.

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Patina:

It came like that, debian etch.

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laga:

interesting

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Patina:

I suppose I _could_ compile my own.

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laga:

right, but it shouldn't be necessary

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Patina:

It isn't, my mistake, it actually can unload.

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Patina:

Just had an error first I tried.

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dns_56:

what has changed with the new protocol, and what was the last commit with the previous version?

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juski:

repeat after me – if you want all your mythtv boxes to work together they _have_ to run the _same_ version no matter WHAT

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laga:

dns_56: trunk? go read the the -commits list yourself

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dns_56:

yes i know that but i was wondering if someone already knew a good version, i will recompile everything tomorrow

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juski:

good version? read the lists & you'll know what to look out for

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dns_56:

well i have been compileing head every few weeks, i have just added another machine and they upgraded the protocol so i could checkout a week ago or compile all boxes with head again

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juski:

it'd pay to keep all the boxes running the same version

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juski:

nobody can be held responsible for the ensuing mess if you mix it all up

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dns_56:

i know, i do notice that some boxes try in vain to upgrade the database schema to an older version

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dns_56:

it all works with multiple versions if the server is the most up to date

[12:02:25]

juski:

I'm only going to say this once more

[12:02:46]

juski:

all your mythtv boxes should run the same version or you should expect tears before bedtime

[12:03:13]

dns_56:

where is the fun when everything works ;)

[12:04:41]

juski:

fine if you think stuggling for days with a bunch of boxes that won't talk to each other is 'fun'

[12:05:43]

juski:

protocol & database schema versions aside you're generally ok to run different versions together but that is definitely NOT endorsed by anybody

[12:07:02]

dns_56:

yeah, i will take a timestamp some time tomorrow when i am not recording as many programs

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juski:

nothing to stop you grabbing a checkout now & building it. you don't have to run 'make install' right away, and plugins don't take long to compile

[12:07:56]

dns_56:

true

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juski:

besides running make install while the backend's running will probably bring it to a swift halt anyway :P

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Dagmar:

*crunch*

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rooau1:

dns_56: the undelete stuff bumped the protocol version

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juski:

shh!

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juski:

I'm just really glad that undelete stuff is optional. I mean delete should mean DELETE. not 'delete! oh wait no!'

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rooau1:

juski: hi, how was the break?

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juski:

was great thanks, if a bit too short

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rooaus:

yeah, they always go quick.

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laga:

dns_56: are you using ubuntu?

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dns_56:

yes

[12:39:13]

dns_56:

laga: are you having a problem with ubuntu?

[12:39:35]

laga:

dns_56: nno, i was just gonna tell you there are trunk builds available for ubuntu

[12:39:41]

laga:

but hey – thanks for the offer :)

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laga:

dns_56: www.mythbuntu.org

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dns_56:

well the server is fedora and i have 3 ubuntu desktops 1 with gutsy

[12:40:25]

laga:

we have both gutsy and feisty builds

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juski:

trunk packages, sounds like a contradiction in terms if there ever was one

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laga:

i just fixed the last annoyance in our build script, feisty packages should be up by tonight (UTC)

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laga:

juski: *shrug*

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sebrock:

I dont understnad why my packet manager says: The following packages have been kept back:

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sebrock:

gnupg mythtv-backend mythtv-backend-master mythtv-common mythtv-database

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sebrock:

when trying to upgrade

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dns_56:

they most likely have extra dependencies, you can dist-upgrade to install those extra packages

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sebrock:

my old version is the one from Ubuntus resp.

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dns_56:

when not using a distro's official packages it is best to uninstall them and install your custom version

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sebrock:

I've always used ubuntus official

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sebrock:

thats what puzzling me

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laga:

yup, puzzles me to

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laga:

try a dist-upgrade then

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sebrock:

yeah that includes it

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sebrock:

ah what the heck, cant hurt with a dist upgrade

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dns_56:

you can also apt-get install packagename, that will upgrade it if it need to

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sebrock:

yes I noticed :d

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Cyberai:

I'm getting a really weird error when I try to run mythvideo or mythmusic. Both fail with this message in the log "MythPlugin::Init() dlerror: /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythvideo.so: undefined symbol: _ZN15LineEditSetting15SetPasswordEchoEb"

[12:47:06]

Cyberai:

has anyone seen that b4?

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** laga sighs **

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Cyberai:

I even de-installed and re-installed them

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laga:

Cyberai: what distribution? using official ubuntu packages?

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Cyberai:

no, MythDora

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laga:

ah

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Cyberai:

MythDora 4 to be preceise

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laga:

i thought this was #ubuntu-mythtv

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laga:

sorry, X just crashed on me so i'm confused. ;)

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Cyberai:

lol

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Cyberai:

nope, contrary to popular belief, some people still use other distros

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Cyberai:

:)

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dns_56:

that problem seems to be that the plugins where compiled against a slightly different version of mythtv

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Cyberai:

weird

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Cyberai:

this is a totally clean install from the mythdora dvd

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laga:

odd.

[12:50:32]

Cyberai:

I even did an rpm -e --nodeps on them and then re-installed them with yum

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laga:

if it's totally clean, i'd file a bug with the mythdora guys

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Cyberai:

yeah, I might have to

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Patina:

I looked a bit closer at dmesg and found "tuner model is LG TAPC G701D", so tuner should be set to "37 – LG PAL (newer TAPC series).

[12:51:59]

Patina:

Does this sound right?

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juski:

anything involving framegrabbers just sounds wrong to me

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laga:

Patina: if dmesg already tells you about the tuner, it should already be set correctly

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juski:

the thing about all the different tuner types & combinations of stuff is, autodetection seldom works properly and you end up changing options & reloading modules til you're blue in the face

[12:53:26]

Patina:

juski: My face is as blue as my screen.

[12:53:40]

Patina:

No tv, just blue screen.

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laga:

blue screens?

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laga:

ah

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laga:

hum

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laga:

are you using the correct input?

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juski:

most decent tuner card types (ivtv, dvb & atsc/qam) only have a small handful of different tuners :)

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Patina:

It might just be bad reception, since the signal is rather poor, but it works (with some snow) with my cinergy 600.

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Patina:

laga: Yes, I am using the television input.

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laga:

Patina: does it work in xawtv?

[13:02:06]

Patina:

laga: No, and not in tvtime either.

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laga:

bored.

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laga:

dist-upgrade is boring.

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Patina:

Oh well, it seems it actually works with tuner=37

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laga:

Patina: that's great

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Patina:

There is no sound, but hey, can't have it all.

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Patina:

juski: You know what, I just might do that.

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blackest:

hi any idea where i can find mythfrontends log file ?

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laga:

what distro?

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blackest:

fiesty

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laga:

there isn't one

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laga:

use mythfrontend --logfile /where/i/wanna/put/my/log

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blackest:

b*&er oh well going to have to reboot it again

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laga:

why?

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laga:

are you using the ubuntu-mythtv-frontend package?

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blackest:

well got a combined frontend – backend which works nearly perfectly except for livetv viewing

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laga:

does it boot directly into mythfrontend?

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blackest:

yes i am remote frontend is fine recording is fine

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blackest:

yep

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laga:

ah

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laga:

you can edit /usr/share/mythtv/startmythtv.sh then

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laga:

to make it log stuff

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laga:

or you log out and log back in as a different user

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blackest:

ah probably as easy to login as me

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laga:

yup

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laga:

then run the frontend in a terminal and/or use --logfile

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blackest:

soon as i find out whats broken

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blackest:

i tried the former and it seems to crash completely

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laga:

btw, logging support for mythfrontend and mythwelcome will be in gutsy, most likely

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blackest:

so i couldnt see what had gone wrong in the terminal

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laga:

oh, is it crashing your X server?

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blackest:

seems to be its an ati radeon 9550

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laga:

that sucks :/

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laga:

hope you can find out what's wrong

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blackest:

well its usually fairly reliable as a card

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laga:

if you don't need the tv-out, you could try the open source drivers

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blackest:

true its got that, I forgot :) normally I run the radeon driver but maybe somethings pooched in my my xorg.conf

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laga:

ah, so it's not fglrx

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blackest:

the system is fine playing back recordings thou

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laga:

odd

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blackest:

I wonder would the wrong kernel cause issues

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blackest:

theres a gutsy kernel being loaded by default

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dns_56:

change the apperance settings to use a different painter, i have had some problems myself

[13:36:43]

dns_56:

ie use the qt painter instead of the opengl painter

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blackest:

ah that could well make a difference

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dns_56:

video is rendered more directly so avoids the menu painting method

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blackest:

its already on qt

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dns_56:

use opengl and turn off alpha blending

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Dagmar:

That pretty much disables GL

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Dagmar:

Fading menus is pretty much all GL does

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blackest:

any idea wheres the setting for alpha blending ?

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blackest:

wonder if its ram issues only 512 on it

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blackest:

(be an excuse to upgrade :) )

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cal:

i cant bring up PIP of a recorded show?

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juski:

no

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cal:

k... gf is watching both soccer games on espn and espn2 now.. and she wanted to watch both at once but we are recording one of them. guess i need to get another tv card for her LOL

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blackest:

hmm even ssh is failing

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kenvandine:

hello all

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kenvandine:

i am a problem... just migrated to a new system with 0.20.2

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kenvandine:

myth will only tune changes 2–13

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kenvandine:

but... using ivtv-tune i can get them all

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kenvandine:

anyone have any tips?

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blackest:

examine your log files

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laga:

"where are my log files?"

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Cyberai:

ok, I completely de-installed myth and re-installed it on my MythDora box, including manually removing /usr/share/mythtv. I re-installed and when I run "mythfrontend >> mythfronted.log" it won't load the first menu, it just sits there on the theme background. The log says "MythThemedMenuPrivate: Must have room for at least 1 column of buttons". Can anyone tell me how to fix this so I can get past it?

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blackest:

try another theme i borked one and that worked for me

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Cyberai:

well, that's a circular problem. I can't get to the menu to do it :)

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laga:

Cyberai: run mythfrontend --reset ?

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Cyberai:

ah, wasn't aware of that option

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kenvandine:

2007-09–15 08:51:58.987 MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Warning: Error getting codec params using old IVTV ioctl

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kenvandine:

i get that when it tunes to anything > 13

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Dagmar:

So upgrade ivtv and mythtv

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kenvandine:

Dagmar: was that for me?

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Dagmar:

Ye

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Dagmar:

s

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kenvandine:

mythtv 0.20.2 and ivtv 0.10.3

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kenvandine:

channels 2–13 are fine

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Dagmar:

...or report it as a problem to the person who built your binaries, or ignore it

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** kenvandine is the packager :) **

[14:01:03]

Dagmar:

Unless you built a newer ivtv after building mythTV, then you should probably htink about whether or not this message indicates an *actual problem*

[14:01:13]

Dagmar:

File a bug report.

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kenvandine:

not sure if that error is the problem

[14:01:44]

kenvandine:

but myth works fine for channels 2–13

[14:01:47]

kenvandine:

and

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Dagmar:

If this message in the logs isn't accompanied by say, an actual loss of picture, then ignore it

[14:01:54]

kenvandine:

ivtv can tune the higher channels

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Dagmar:

Offhand I'd say you told myth to use the wrong set of frequencies

[14:02:12]

kenvandine:

it isn't tuning the channel when i get this message

[14:02:27]

kenvandine:

where do i set the frequencies?

[14:02:33]

Dagmar:

Mythtv-setup

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kenvandine:

i set my input source to my cable provider

[14:02:57]

Dagmar:

I am not hand-holding

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kenvandine:

in mythtv-setup, when i scan for channels it also only detects 2–13 as well

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kenvandine:

anyone else willing to try to help?

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Dagmar:

Hey, duh, set the right frequency table

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kenvandine:

i don't see anything in mythtv-setup about frequency

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blackest:

wrong region ?

[14:04:36]

kenvandine:

nope

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Dagmar:

http://www.rif.org

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kenvandine:

Dagmar: what is wrong with you...

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dns_56:

i have heard that the frequencies differ in different regions in the same country

[14:05:28]

Dagmar:

Nothing. I can read.

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kenvandine:

Dagmar: isn't this the mythtv-users channel?

[14:06:02]

kenvandine:

maybe you can't read

[14:06:03]

kenvandine:

:)

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blackest:

hmm just tried the ati restricted driver and got a picture on live tv but about 5 frames a second

[14:06:26]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I can read fine. You're the one who can't seem to find the setting for telling the tuner card what set of frequencies to use

[14:06:26]

kenvandine:

i have been running mythtv for 5 years and never really had any problems

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Dagmar:

...and it's RIGHT FREAKING THERE in mythtv-setup

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kenvandine:

under input sources?

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Dagmar:

Where the heck else is it going to be

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** Tommck is finally getting around to setting up Schedules Direct :) **

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Tommck:

crap... compiler erros

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kenvandine:

Dagmar: i don't think you belong in this channel... you should go to #ass

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** Tommck wonders if that's pronounced "pound ass" **

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Dagmar:

lol

[14:08:42]

blackest:

did he run away or was he kicked

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Cromz:

wasn't kicked.

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Dagmar:

Aside from asking him to add me to the X access lists so that I could click on the damn thing for him...

[14:09:31]

dns_56:

please post your ip address, username, root password to chat

[14:10:08]

Dagmar:

Nah, I'd just need him to run `xhost +dagmar's_ip`

[14:10:11]

blackest:

whats the best ati driver to use with myth coz it aint ati's driver

[14:10:35]

juski:

no such thing is there? best ati driver indeed. lol

[14:10:54]

Tommck:

anyone else getting compiler errors for yesterday's SVN?

[14:11:04]

blackest:

ok i knew it was gonna be an oxymoron but ...

[14:11:07]

Tommck:

looks like there's some header misplacing going on or something

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Dagmar:

Tommck: Pastbin?

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Tommck:

just a sec

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Tommck:

recompiling to get it again

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Tommck:

http://pastebin.ca/698548

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Dagmar:

Whoa

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Dagmar:

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Tommck:

no idea

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Tommck:

probably just console emulation issues

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Tommck:

I'm in a Cygwin window

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Dagmar:

Are you trying to comple this on Win32 or something?

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Tommck:

no..

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Tommck:

ssh'd into my ubuntu box

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Dagmar:

I can *see* what's going on here

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Tommck:

"mythdbcon.h" is in /usr/local/include/mythtv

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Dagmar:

Yeah, um, you might wanna do a `make distclean`and then start over at ./configure

[14:15:23]

Dagmar:

You see this on line 5? "ABLET_SUPPORT -I/usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/default -I. -I/include -I/include -I/incl"

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dns_56:

svn does not compile for me, it was working about 2–3 hours ago

[14:15:50]

Dagmar:

Tommck: If this is SVN trunk you're trying to build, someone broke it

[14:15:54]

Tommck:

Dagmar – yeah... what's "/include/mythv"

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Tommck:

Dagmar – it's 0.20.2 as far as I know

[14:16:26]

Dagmar:

Tommck: Those -I directives are supposed to be telling it where to look for files requested by include directives

[14:16:47]

Dagmar:

"as far as I know" sounds like you are not using the official 0.20.2 release tarball

[14:16:49]

Tommck:

Dagmar – right... and it looks like it's choosing weird locations

[14:16:55]

Dagmar:

I wouldn't say that

[14:16:58]

Tommck:

Dagmar – i used SVN

[14:17:14]

Dagmar:

I'd say it flat out isn't catching $prefix variables for both $prefix and $cwd

[14:17:15]

Tommck:

Dagmar – it says "/include/mythtv" wtf is "/include" ?

[14:17:19]

Tommck:

right :)

[14:17:27]

Dagmar:

At least one of thsoe things is supposed to be pointing to where the source you're building it

[14:17:34]

Tommck:

right

[14:17:46]

Dagmar:

You need to run svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-20-fixes/mythtv

[14:17:57]

Tommck:

ok.

[14:18:26]

Tommck:

I might not have been using "-fixes"...

[14:18:30]

Dagmar:

OUch

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Dagmar:

Look at s "/include/mythtv" wtf is "/include" ?

[14:18:33]

Dagmar:

<Tommck> right :)

[14:18:36]

Dagmar:

erk

[14:18:44]

Dagmar:

I mean look at http://svn.mythtv.org.

[14:18:58]

Dagmar:

If you ever forget, the three commands to pull the fixes branch are right there

[14:19:01]

Tommck:

right

[14:19:12]

Tommck:

ahh... I did the first option... straight SVN :)

[14:19:21]

Dagmar:

I generally just copy+paste them, tarball the results, and toss them at my build engine

[14:19:28]

Tommck:

I'm perfectly fine with the fixes :)

[14:19:30]

Dagmar:

Ah... So you got trunk, which is not so likely to build at any given moment

[14:19:38]

Tommck:

right... :)

[14:19:45]

Tommck:

been a while since I compiled Mythtv

[14:19:49]

Tommck:

was using packages..

[14:20:03]

Tommck:

but nobody seems to want to support old Dapper Drake :)

[14:22:34]

Dagmar:

Pfft. I'm still running on Slackware 10,2

[14:22:38]

Tommck:

:)

[14:22:45]

Dagmar:

It's *almost* irritating me enough to finally upgrade the OS on the thing.

[14:23:08]

Tommck:

I think I might upgrade my ivtv drivers sometime soon too

[14:23:10]

Dagmar:

I just know it's going to be like taking an entire fir hydrant up the butt rebuilding all the damn mm codec packages tho

[14:23:30]

blackest:

with the ati propriatory driver in device option "videooverlay" "on" and option "opengloverlay" off gets a watchable picture still a lousy driver thou

[14:23:38]

Tommck:

yeah... you need to use quite a bit of lube to help reduce the amount of tearing and blood

[14:23:50]

Dagmar:

blackest: You begin to understand why a lot of us are saying "PVR card and nVidia 5200"

[14:24:00]

Tommck:

seriously...

[14:24:04]

Tommck:

PVR cards are cheap

[14:24:15]

Tommck:

so are 5200s

[14:24:21]

Dagmar:

Tommck: Yeah, I wish I knew that about a year ago when I was trying to get ffmpeg, faac, faad2, avifile and mpeg4ip working together

[14:24:32]

Tommck:

hehe

[14:24:33]

Dagmar:

...when they were all using private copies of *parts* of each other's libraries

[14:24:39]

Dagmar:

Talk about a fucking nightmare

[14:24:42]

Tommck:

:)

[14:25:23]

blackest:

true unfortunately buying nvidea cards round here means expensive or unavailable hopefully the ati situation will improve now they are open sourcing the specs

[14:25:32]

Tommck:

blackest – where do you live?

[14:25:52]

blackest:

in a backwater in the uk

[14:25:57]

Dagmar:

You can get 5200's by the fistful used

[14:26:15]

Dagmar:

They're like $20–25USD new now

[14:26:41]

Tommck:

www.amazon.co.uk

[14:26:44]

Dagmar:

Basically, any _decent_ nVidia card with s-video output is going to do ya fine

[14:26:58]

Dagmar:

Some no-name card will have crap components for the S-video out

[14:27:03]

Tommck:

30 pounds with free delivery

[14:27:16]

Tommck:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/XFX-nVidia-FX5200-256 . . . p/B00026V8N0

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Tommck:

if you're worried about signal quality, why use S-video at all?

[14:28:05]

Dagmar:

Not too many TVs have VGA input

[14:28:09]

Tommck:

mine does :)

[14:28:16]

Tommck:

old Mitsu 65" HDTV

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blackest:

dabs look good http://www.dabs4work.com/productview.aspx?quicklinx=3HTV

[14:28:55]

XLV:

people still use sd crts

[14:29:08]

Tommck:

crazy people! ;)

[14:29:15]

XLV:

i am... though i am planning on some ~1.5k Euro lcd 1080p

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Dagmar:

blackest: Looks good to me

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Tommck:

Dagmar – should I specify my CPU type, you think?

[14:31:54]

Dagmar:

Tommck: In what way?

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Tommck:

Dagmar – on the ./configure line

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Dagmar:

Just out of habit I always pass -O2 -march=i686 -mcpu=athlon-xp

[14:32:09]

Tommck:

it just has "x86"

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Dagmar:

Lemme check something

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Dagmar:

Oh the --arch argument

[14:32:58]

Tommck:

yeah

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Patina:

What about DVB-cards, should they have mpeg encoder or is that just silly?

[14:33:19]

Tommck:

Patina – I believe that is unnecessary

[14:33:27]

XLV:

Patina, dvb is mpeg2 encoded, its just written as stream to hdd

[14:33:28]

Dagmar:

Using it isn't likely to hurt, and may even help a but

[14:33:57]

Dagmar:

--enable-proc-opt is prolly a good idea

[14:34:05]

juski:

dvb isn't always mpeg2 encoded

[14:34:12]

Tommck:

Dagmar – with a P4 2.4GHz, I should just put --arch=i686 ?

[14:34:16]

Patina:

ok, thanks.

[14:34:20]

Tommck:

I did --enable-proc-opt

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Dagmar:

Tommck: Yeah that should work fine

[14:34:36]

Tommck:

weird... it now says "MMX enabled = no"

[14:34:51]

Dagmar:

Freakish, try --enable-mmx

[14:34:54]

Tommck:

I did

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Tommck:

worked

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Tommck:

do I need / want bindings_perl?

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Dagmar:

You probably do, although I still don't know for sure what (if anything) uses it

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Tommck:

:)

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Dagmar:

Yeah I see a note in my build script that setting --arch seems to bugger the MMX check so it needs --enable-mmx

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Tommck:

:)

[14:36:56]

Tommck:

"bugger" always makes me chuckle

[14:36:56]

Dagmar:

--enable-xvmc --disable-

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Dagmar:

xvmc-opengl

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Tommck:

why disable the 2nd?

[14:37:09]

Dagmar:

--enable-opengl-vsync

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Dagmar:

Because XvMC-OpenGL, when I last checked, was thoroughly broken and would result in _no video_

[14:37:31]

Tommck:

:)

[14:37:52]

squish103:

ive google and not found a way to clear my schedule (listing) out so I can reload it

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Dagmar:

Those are in theory the defaults, but I've got them hard-wired in my build script in hopes that if something turns up missing the thing will FAIL configure instead of just working around it

[14:38:18]

squish103:

is there a table in mysql that i can trash?

[14:38:24]

Dagmar:

squish103: no need

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Dagmar:

If you run `mythfilldatabase --help` it will tell you what options it supports

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squish103:

thanks

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Dagmar:

One of them is like --refresh-all or something

[14:39:20]

Dagmar:

It's pretty easy to spot what you want from the description once you're looking at the list

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nordle:

hello. I've got a 37" lcd running at 1360x768@50hz. I have to run it at 50hz otherwise some tearing is visible in PC DVD playback via DVI-->HDMI. The DVD's are PAL ie 25fps. I was just wondering, given that USA don't seem to have same issue with same TV, that the 60hz TV works fine because of USA being on 30fps? Am I talking utter rubbish?

[14:40:25]

squish103:

ahh, but i am doing it from an xmltv file

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Dagmar:

nordle: no, you've basically hit the nail on the head there

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squish103:

i think that --refresh-all is only for data-direct

[14:41:21]

Dagmar:

squish103: Well, you could dig around and find the schedule and just drop that table, but I don't know which one would do that

[14:41:41]

squish103:

ok will try refrsh-all first

[14:42:20]

Dagmar:

It *might* work just because the one option for mythfilldatabase flushes the programming info before it gets to the point of not fetching your data

[14:42:21]

nordle:

Dagmar: ok, cool, no problem, I guess I'll have to come live with you guys now :)

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nordle:

Cheers, I didn't expect my presuit of perfect TV would take 3,000 miles, but its no biggy.

[14:44:07]

Tommck:

psofa? I had one of those in college..

[14:44:13]

Tommck:

some drunk girl peed on the sofa

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Tommck:

nice... gotta love getting warnings from QT3 libs about non-virtual destructors :)

[14:45:18]

Dagmar:

tee-hee

[14:45:20]

nordle:

Is that like WMD's

[14:45:25]

Dagmar:

Coul dbe

[14:45:34]

Tommck:

hehe.. nah... just bad C++ programming

[14:45:41]

juski:

grrrrrr my dad just got some shitty router that won't let MSN live work. hahahaha

[14:45:42]

Dagmar:

Seems like every release the warnings gcc emits get even more existential

[14:46:03]

Tommck:

:)

[14:46:08]

juski:

moral of the story, don't EVER install that microsoft 'live' gash

[14:46:12]

nordle:

Not long before they start talking about worm holes and votex thingys

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Tommck:

been a while since I did C++ or GCC work

[14:46:22]

Tommck:

almost 5 years now

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_gnome42 is now known as gnome42

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** juski slays a kitten **

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** Tommck fries it in a pan with some garlic and onions **

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nordle:

Dagmar: In theory, given a beefy enough machine, do you think I could use mencoder and mplayer to play a dvd, pipe it through mencoder, convert to correct res and output 30fps, then pipe it through mplayer (making sure decent cache sizes are used) to obtain 60hz heaven?

[14:48:21]

Dagmar:

You don't have to

[14:48:31]

Dagmar:

Hz == cycles per second

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Dagmar:

If you enable vsync, and you're using a 60Hz (i.e., 60 refreshes per second, 60 half frames, etc) output device...

[14:49:14]

Dagmar:

Then 30fps output shoudl come out fine

[14:49:22]

nordle:

It doesn't unfortunately

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Dagmar:

Did you enable vsync

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Dagmar:

There should be zero tearing if you have enabled vsync

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Tommck:

or if you use enough lube

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nordle:

crappy electronics to blame I think given the 100 page post on avforums about it: http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php . . . &page=70

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nordle:

Dagmar: I have vsync in the xorg.conf, nvidia-settings and the mplayer line....makes only minimal difference. The only fix was to drop down to 50hz. Downer with that is, the desktop don't fit on the screen, I lose 1:1 mapping. I could then drop from 1360x768 to 1280x720, thats my next step. Desktop looks a little fuzzy though at that res.

[14:52:43]

Tommck:

nordle – do you really care what the desktop looks like on a myth box?

[14:53:59]

nordle:

Tommck: No, not really, your right. But at 50hz, I couldn't sear to it, it might just be my eyes going funny having spent ages looking into it. But I think the TV panning has slight ghosting at 50hz, whereas 60hz it didn't. But at 60, it tears.

[14:54:14]

Tommck:

ah.. sucks

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nordle:

Yeah. On the plus side, if I nearly have it so its liveable, it has 2hdmi connections and was cheap. It's cousin was even cheaper, didn't have the tearing on hdmi issue, but only had 1hdmi input. Apparently Component doesn't suffer from tearing at all. But I don't know if running mythtv out of dvi --> component will be worth it or not.

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blackest:

any opinions on gforce 6200 128 agp card ?

[14:57:18]

blackest:

its available local for about £28

[14:57:35]

Dagmar:

blackest: Overkill unless your board doesn't have an AGP slot

[14:58:06]

Dagmar:

blackest: Literally *all* you need is basic GL support and a decent s-video output... A higher model number doesn't necessarily mean better for what Myth is doing

[14:58:21]

Tommck:

my FX5200 works fine

[14:58:27]

blackest:

well the 5200 will be a post job and cost about the same once postage is added

[14:58:53]

Tommck:

I just sent you a link in amazon for one for 30 pounds and free shipping

[14:58:55]

cout:

dagmar: component out is nice

[14:59:10]

Dagmar:

Yes, yes, everyone has their favorite whatevers

[14:59:24]

Dagmar:

Except most people's selection of *televisions* isn't as flexible as that

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** Tommck likes how the MPAA screwed early adopters like him on HDTV **

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Tommck:

I have an older HDTV... Component and VGA...

[15:00:21]

Tommck:

no HD DVD or Blue Ray DVD players will work with it

[15:00:34]

Tommck:

asshats

[15:00:57]

Dagmar:

well, on the bright side, your equipment won't act all snippy and downgrade you to 540p

[15:00:59]

nordle:

Does a HDMI --> Comp cable not work? Is that because of HDCP?

[15:01:15]

blackest:

27.99 pcworld 27.22 dabs including shipping

[15:01:19]

Tommck:

nordle – yeah... it won't decrypt it

[15:01:25]

nordle:

gits

[15:01:44]

blackest:

the dabs is 5200 256meg pcworld is 128 meg 6200

[15:01:46]

Tommck:

wouldn't want me to be able to watch it on my TV now, would we

[15:01:58]

Dagmar:

blackest: More lipstick for the chickens

[15:02:17]

Dagmar:

256mb of ram is *ludicrously* more than Mythtv needs

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** Tommck likes to make Mythtv feel like it's got breathing room **

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blackest:

for 77p i can have it fitted in an hour

[15:03:02]

Dagmar:

64Mb of video RAM would handle HDTV at 1900x1200

[15:03:23]

Tommck:

interesting res

[15:03:27]

Tommck:

1920x1080?

[15:03:30]

blackest:

so may as well go for the 6200 then is what your saying

[15:03:35]

nordle:

It depends on what res you want to run? I was reading the other day, that to interlace 1080i would use 256MB, my 6200 had 256, but I swapped it out with a 6800 with only 128 (trying to see if it made any difference to tearing, it did not). So 6200 is fine for 95%

[15:03:56]

blackest:

and it'll blow away the ati card

[15:03:59]

Tommck:

I run a FX5200 w/ 128 MB and it runs 1920x1080i fine

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nordle:

mmmm I wonder what the heck I was reading..... me goes away to google for 2 seconds

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Dagmar:

nordle: *to* interlace means it's probably mapping two images in the card

[15:05:28]

Dagmar:

X * Y * bpp per frame

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blackest:

well the monitor is an lcd 1400*900

[15:05:57]

Dagmar:

rather Xres * Yres * bytes_color_depth

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Dagmar:

So, 3,780,000 bytes per image

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Dagmar:

RGB = 3 bytes, RGBA = 4 bytes (a safe assumption for guessification)

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blackest:

or 4 meg

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blackest:

ok i think you've talked me into it

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** Tommck wonders if it's possible to run Bitonal (1bpp) 1920x1080i :) **

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Dagmar:

Yeah and a hair over 5Mb assuming rgba

[15:07:38]

Dagmar:

Tommck: it would look like shit

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Tommck:

:)

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juski:

oh for fecks sakes!!!!! WHY CAN'T PARENTS STOP USING INTERNET EXPLORER?!?!?!?!

[15:07:51]

Tommck:

it would be funny

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blackest:

coz you forgot to set firefox with the ie icon :)

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** juski wonders if there's a rootkit he can send which'll overwrite their windows installs with a decent OS **

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directhex:

juski, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks"?

[15:10:46]

Slyboots:

hm, Im having some problems bulting MythFrontend for the mac..

[15:10:48]

directhex:

juski, i've flat-out refused to help my parents with any issues caused by their refusal to use non-MS software now

[15:11:02]

Slyboots:

I get..

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Slyboots:

[osx-pkg] log http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/ --revision HEAD --xml | grep revision

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Slyboots:

Which complains about it cant find the program "log" and "Cannot get head revision – Got ''"

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blackest:

actually there is a new win32 thing i forget its exact name but it runs on windows and installs ubuntu :) would that help i think it either partitions the disk or just overwrites windows not sure which :)

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Tommck:

Dagmar ?

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|Lunar_Lamp|:

I realise this may be slightly off-topic, but at the same time I feel that it is a place where someone is likely to know the answer. I have a radeon 9200se in my mythtv box, and I use the svicdeo-out to connect to my TV. When booting bios/boot splash are viewable perfectly on teh screen, owever X is not able to load. I think it may be down to sync rates or something – how do I fix that?

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Tommck:

s-video is 640x480 (at least in the US)... you need a 640x480 res in your xorg.conf

[15:28:11]

Tommck:

and you need to set the option for it to use the s-video port

[15:28:22]

Tommck:

(don't remember which option that is)

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|Lunar_Lamp|:

Tommck, ok, thanks – that's a helpful start.

[15:28:49]

Tommck:

np

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|Lunar_Lamp|:

I'm in the UK – but that should be some info to get me started hopefully.

[15:29:21]

Tommck:

sure... it's a slightly different res there, but that should be easy to find

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|Lunar_Lamp|:

yeah – I think I've found a site that suggests 800x600

[15:30:37]

nordle:

I've got my old xorg.conf which used TV-Out Svideo UK

[15:30:54]

Tommck:

I tried to remove my previous mythtv packages and install SVN... now, it has problems looking for libraries.

[15:31:13]

Dagmar:

Tommck: You may have some leftovers in /usr/local then

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Tommck:

Dagmar – I'll check it out

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Dagmar:

Things get ugly if you install in one prefix and then don't _completely_ scour the old bits out before you try using a different prefix

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Tommck:

Dagmar – always used the same prefix (the default)

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nordle:

|Lunar_Lamp|: http://pastebin.ca/698607

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Dagmar:

Is it still showing the weird -I/include/mythtv stuff?

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Tommck:

Dagmar – nope

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Tommck:

everything built and installed

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Dagmar:

Well, pastebin what's going awry

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|Lunar_Lamp|:

nordle, hmm, ok, thanks – that's for nvidia though – so how well will it translate to my ati card? :-/

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nordle:

eehhh, ooops :)

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nordle:

no idea mate, sorry.

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floppyears:

hi guys, I just got mythtv installed in the machine that is just going to be a frontend only

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Tommck:

http://pastebin.ca/698611

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floppyears:

is mythtv-setup used to configure the frontend so that it can connect to the backend ? or do I need to use another utility

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nordle:

sudo updatedb && ldconfig && locate libmythtv-0.20.2.so

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Tommck:

floppyears – just run mythfrontend and change the settings in there

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nordle:

Tommck: Did you run ldconfig after install?

[15:35:43]

Tommck:

no

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floppyears:

thanks Tommck

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Tommck:

nordle – if that's necessary, should not the "make install" do it?

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Tommck:

only 2 copies... the build directory and /usr/local/lib

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Tommck:

I used "sudo find / -name ..."

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nordle:

Tommck: Give it a go, see what happens.

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Tommck:

I ran ldconfig

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Tommck:

did nothin

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nordle:

When installing from source, most packages advise to run ldconfig (if using a *nix system) but don't do it for you.

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Tommck:

ah.

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Tommck:

the libs are all owned by root... should they be owned by mythtv?

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Tommck:

(the user I normally run under)

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nordle:

No, owned by root is what they should be

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Dagmar:

Nope

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Dagmar:

Just so long as they're world-readable/world-executeable you should be golden

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Tommck:

they are

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Tommck:

how does mythtv search for the libs?

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Dagmar:

At what point?

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Dagmar:

Runtime or compile time?

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Tommck:

when it runs

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Tommck:

runtime

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Dagmar:

It doesn't.

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Dagmar:

The system's linker and linker cache handle all that

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Tommck:

well... it tries to load it

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Dagmar:

Look at /etc/ld.so.conf

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Tommck:

linker? at runtime?

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Dagmar:

Every directory that contains shared object libraries needs to be listed in there

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fryfrog:

you can use "ldd `which mythfronend`"

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fryfrog:

to see where it is getting libs from

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Dagmar:

...and you should run ldconfig every time you add or remove libs from those

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Aval0n:

anyone in here use a logitech 520

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juski:

directhex: I wish I could just flat-out refuse :-\

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Tommck:

lots of "not found" for pretty much all the libmyth* libs

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fryfrog:

did you install myth from source or packages?

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Aval0n:

hey juski welcome back

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Tommck:

source

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directhex:

juski, the best part is the company they bought their machine from has gone bust, so once they start having more problems, they don't exactly have many options

[15:42:15]

fryfrog:

did you change the install path from /usr/local to something else?

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juski:

they're gonna try an ubuntu livecd tonight- should do for most things they use the computer for. problem is their new router which msn live shite refuses to cooperate with

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Tommck:

fryfrog – nope

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Aval0n:

I'm running with your neon theme, thethinks it's slick

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Aval0n:

methinks*

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Aval0n:

sorry 2 hours sleep

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fryfrog:

you might not have /usr/local/lib in your ld.so.conf maybe?

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juski:

Aval0n: cheers

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fryfrog:

if that is where all the myth library stuff ended up

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Tommck:

where's ld.so.conf?

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fryfrog:

i usually do ./configure --prefix=/usr

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juski:

in /etc

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Tommck:

no such file

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fryfrog:

that way it gets installed where everything else does

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Tommck:

ls.do.cache

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Dagmar:

fryfrog: According to how he installed it, they should be in /usr/local/lib

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juski:

Tommck: so make one then :)

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Dagmar:

Tommck: No, man... /etc/ld.so.conf

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Tommck:

ld.so.hwcappkgs

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directhex:

--prefix=/usr ? NO! BAD!

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juski:

I didn't have one either

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Tommck:

Dagmar – there is no /etc/ld.so.conf

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directhex:

/usr is for things your package manager knows about!

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Dagmar:

You don't mess with ld.so.cache manually

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juski:

as for the correct prefix to use, I don't know what's best, so I just use /usr/local

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Dagmar:

Tommck: You need one then

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Aval0n:

juski: I may have founda bug in it, doesn't bug me but just so you know. when you set program guide channels to #, the program guide in recordings will show the full amount, but you'll be short one in livetv program guide

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fryfrog:

what distro are you using?

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Dagmar:

Tommck: Put "/usr/local/lib" in there, no quotes, then run ldconfig

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juski:

Aval0n: line tv? what is this 'live tv' you speak of?

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Tommck:

that did it

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Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

Watch TV

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juski:

huh?

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juski:

;)

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Aval0n:

:P

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Tommck:

now I need to restore my DB :)

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directhex:

juski, /usr/local for things you trust to be removable later (and want to have trivially integrated into stuff like $PATH), /opt/appname-version for things you trust less. it's always worked for me

[15:44:37]

Aval0n:

like I said, makes no difference to me just letting you know :)

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juski:

Aval0n: screenshots paint a clearer picture than words

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juski:

besides any fixes I make to my themes will likely only go into svn

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Aval0n:

that's cool

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Dagmar:

mysyfy_: http://pastebin.ca/698625

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Dagmar:

erk

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Aval0n:

like I said, it's not an issue for me at all, but I was just letting you know

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juski:

I said I wasn't ever gonna update the tarballs & I intended to mean it ;)

[15:45:30]

Aval0n:

if you want me to take some screens I can in a bit

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Aval0n:

you aren't updating the ones on your website?

[15:46:09]

Aval0n:

how come

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juski:

like the README says, Aval0n, email me with screenshots of problems

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Tommck:

it's been a while... when I am switching from packages to SVN, I should drop the created "mythconverg" and then restore my old on?

[15:46:25]

Tommck:

one*

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Aval0n:

does mythtv have a button for screen cap?

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juski:

Aval0n: specifically because maintaining eight themes is enough without having to maintain two branches of eight themes

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Aval0n:

juski: ahh I got ya

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Tommck:

Dagmar – should I drop the new database and restore the old?

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juski:

right now I could name the differences between what I've got in svn with the tarballs, but that may not always be the way

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Dagmar:

Why would you want to do that?

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Tommck:

hehe.. yeah... not enough coffee, methinks :)

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juski:

Tommck: if you're upgrading to SVN just back up the database before the upgrade

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Tommck:

I backed up...

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Tommck:

nothing went wrong... no reason for restore... just retarted

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juski:

so just remove any mythtv packages, build svn & run mythtv-setup, check everything seems fine & that should be that

[15:49:00]

** Tommck is running mythtv-setup now **

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Aval0n:

juski: did you leave out the star rating and datastamps out of your OSD themes intentionally?

[15:49:30]

juski:

datastamps?

[15:49:35]

Aval0n:

date stamps

[15:49:40]

Aval0n:

yet another typo

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juski:

there's enough screen clutter in the OSD without putting info that I don't want to see on there

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Aval0n:

right, just wondering if you did it on purpose

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Aval0n:

cool cool.

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juski:

which osd themes show that stuff?

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Aval0n:

there's only one that come with mythtv that does

[15:50:44]

Aval0n:

can't remember the name

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Aval0n:

it's big and blie

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Aval0n:

blue*

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Aval0n:

titti-less or something like that

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Aval0n:

man my head is pounding.

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Slyboots:

Stop headbutting the wall..

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juski:

not in Titivillus-OSD as far as I can tell

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Aval0n:

aye

[15:52:50]

Aval0n:

juski

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Aval0n:

I sec lemme go out and i'll find it for you

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juski:

ahh it's in the description field

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Tommck:

I'm getting unauthorized errors from SchedulesDirect :(

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juski:

<value>%LONGREPEAT%%STARS%%DESCRIPTION%</value> – so it'd be easy to add

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Aval0n:

tommck: did you accept the new privacy policy?

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Tommck:

Aval0n yeah

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Dagmar:

That's normal. If you're sure your l/p are correct just try again later

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Tommck:

normal? nice

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Dagmar:

Remember, they're still using TMS's servers, which *do that* every so often

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tgm4883_laptop:

is there a fix for putting channels on a firewire device yet in 20.2? I have tried the methods of using another device to scan for the channels, but I have more channels on my firewire box, and I can't fetch the channel list with anything

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Dagmar:

it's in the FAQ IIRC

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Tommck:

ah

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** Tommck is looking at the FAQ... don't see it **

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Aval0n:

juski: is it as easy as toggling it on and off?

[15:54:34]

Aval0n:

or is additional code needed?

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juski:

Aval0n: it's as easy as editing an xml file

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juski:

all theming is!

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Aval0n:

lol

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Dagmar:

Well, either way I got used to seeing it pop up from mythfilldatabase every so oftne

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juski:

Aval0n: try making line 99 of osd.xml say <value>%LONGREPEAT%%STARS%%DESCRIPTION%</value>

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Aval0n:

ok 1 moment

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juski:

or line 96 in ProjectGrayhem-OSD/osd.xml

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Tommck:

Dagmar – how long do you normally have to wait for it to work?

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Aval0n:

juski did you ever make an OSD theme for neon?

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juski:

nah nor do I intend to

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Dagmar:

Tommck: I dunno. I usually give it an hour or three

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Yahooadam:

how do i find what groups a user belongs to on debian ?

[15:58:08]

Dagmar:

Yahooadam: If you're logged in as that user, type `id` or `groups`

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juski:

anyway if I do any more themes, there's gonna have to be a _cull_ of the existing ones

[15:58:39]

Yahooadam:

ty dagmar :)

[15:58:41]

Aval0n:

juski do you want me to add a new line

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Aval0n:

or replace

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juski:

replace

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Aval0n:

aye

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Yahooadam:

now next obvious question, how do i add a user to groups :p

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juski:

Yahooadam: try #linux101

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Tommck:

Dagmar – my username is my email address, right?

[15:59:30]

Dagmar:

Umm... no. Afaik your username is your username

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Dagmar:

Like, I'm very unimaginative about a number of things, so my username is dagmar

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Tommck:

when I look at my lineups on the webpage, it has "Login: <full emal address>"

[16:00:18]

Yahooadam:

adduser user group right ?

[16:00:38]

juski:

Yahooadam: man adduser

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Dagmar:

Tommck: That's weird. I just logged in and mine says "Login Name: dagmar"

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Aval0n:

Doesn't appear to have worked juski

[16:00:50]

juski:

then man rocketscience

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juski:

Aval0n: you might need to change more than just one line then

[16:02:26]

juski:

Aval0n: there are only 2 textareas with <textarea name="description">

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juski:

one is for general program info which I expect is only used during playback

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juski:

and the other is for browsing

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Tommck:

dammit

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Aval0n:

i changed the other

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Aval0n:

and no dice

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nordle:

On my desktop, when I type xvinfo I get this: http://pastebin.ca/698645 But when I run it on my myth box I get this: http://pastebin.ca/698648 What on earth is that about PAL and NTSC at the end of the myth one?

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Aval0n:

I'm hitting I

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Aval0n:

and not seeing it anyway

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Dagmar:

nordle: Looks like it knows about your video output

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Aval0n:

it shows in program guide

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Aval0n:

but not OSD so far

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nordle:

Dagmar: But...from where/what output? I'm sitting at the myth box desktop, it auto loaded mythfrontend. I closed it, dropped to desktop and did xvinfo via xterm. What is it looking at? I've re-set to 1280x720 to see if that does anything good/bad.

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nordle:

Sorry, I mean I reset it to 1280x720 and then ran xvinfo.

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Dagmar:

nordle: At a guess that *appears* to be the output it would use for your s-video if you set it to use NTSC or PAL

[16:08:18]

Dagmar:

Remember the card does a lot of nice magical rescaling/resampling on the fly

[16:08:27]

Aval0n:

juski: <value>%DESCRIPTION%%BR%(%STARTTIME% – %LENMINS%)</value>

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Yahooadam:

grrrr

[16:08:36]

nordle:

What svideo?

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Aval0n:

that is what the Uulius one is set to

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nordle:

I'm using hdmi

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Yahooadam:

user live can log into the graphical desktop but mythtv cannot >_<

[16:08:57]

nordle:

well, dvi --> hdmi

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Dagmar:

Then those settings don't affect you

[16:09:37]

Aval0n:

bah that one doesn't show it either

[16:09:39]

nordle:

Oh

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Dagmar:

There's a CRAPTON of other things that tool says

[16:09:54]

Dagmar:

Why you'd obsess over just the two at the end without wondering baout the rest...

[16:10:03]

nordle:

hehe, true, I recognise 1% of it and home in on that

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nordle:

The reason I homed in on that, is

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nordle:

my desktop has a nvidia 7900GTX and does not have the PAL/NTSC bit, but the myth box has it with its nvidia 6800. then I started to wonder if the tv was doing some crazy 720x576 downscaling or something weird.

[16:12:10]

nordle:

I'm just trying to fiddle with as many settings as I can to get it doing SDTV and DVD ok.

[16:12:35]

** juski outputs svideo @ 720x576 for his widescreen TV **

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nordle:

Not perfect, but ok is fine, ie no judder/tear etc. Nearly there.

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juski:

just set the DISPLAYSIZE stuff in xorg.conf to reflect the aspect of the display & you're fine

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Tommck_:

it's working now

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nordle:

juski: Thats the one thing I haven't fiddled with yet..... well ok, not the one thing (although it seems like it), but one of many things yet to be played with.

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Yahooadam:

xterm Xt error: Can't open display: %s

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Yahooadam:

xterm: DISPLAY is not set

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Aval0n:

juski

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Aval0n:

it IS tittivillus

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Aval0n:

the only OSD theme I see that has it

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juski:

Aval0n: easily changed on your part. I don't see any need for the star rating etc info so I never bothered to implement it

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juski:

which of my OSD themes do you want it on?

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Aval0n:

says when the movie was released and if it's a repeat or not, it's more for my wife

[16:18:19]

Aval0n:

Project Grayhem probably

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Aval0n:

I'm just trying to get this setup as close to what she is used to so I can pull the plug on dish network

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Yahooadam:

arg i hate debian already

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juski:

it's easy to add the bits you want, just add %LONGREPEAT%%STARS% before %DESCRIPTION%

[16:21:22]

juski:

find the <textarea name="description"> areas & add the bits you want to the <value>%foo%%bar%</value> line

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Aval0n:

very cool juski thanks a lot, it appears to be working now.

[16:21:52]

juski:

it'll no doubt eat into the space already used for the show description though

[16:22:13]

Aval0n:

it seems to work well with project Grayhem

[16:22:21]

Aval0n:

the text is much smaller on that theme than the others

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Aval0n:

so everything still fits

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Aval0n:

excellent

[16:23:11]

Aval0n:

that will make her happy

[16:23:41]

Aval0n:

juski delivered wife to my satisfaction where I could not?

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Aval0n:

;P

[16:23:47]

juski:

heheh

[16:23:53]

Aval0n:

omg

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juski:

that's why SWMBO has the MBO at the end

[16:24:09]

Aval0n:

I'm lexdiscic

[16:26:01]

Aval0n:

SWMBO?

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juski:

She Who Must Be Obeyed

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Aval0n:

:P

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Aval0n:

anyone know if there are any docs other than the small blurb on mythtv.org about getting icons for program guide?

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Aval0n:

that xml i tried to run didn't work

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Aval0n:

never asked for zipcode or anything

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juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Channel_icons

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Aval0n:

ty

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puzzled:

hi all

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puzzled:

I'm installing mythtv (0.20.2) on CentOS 5 with a PVR-500 card. Just ran mythtv-setup and wonder what I should select for Card type: analog V4L capture card or MPEG-2 encoder card?

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mkrufky:

puzzled: mpeg2 encoder card

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puzzled:

mkrufky: thanks

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mkrufky:

you're welcome

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Yahooadam:

xbox seems to work quite well for a frontend :o

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Yahooadam:

if you can get the bloody thing to work

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mkrufky:

xbox doesnt have hdmi / DVI output does it?

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** mkrufky thinks not **

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Yahooadam:

nope, but its not powerful enough for HD anyway

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mkrufky:

ah

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Yahooadam:

the 360 does have an HDMI port

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Yahooadam:

but as far as i know you cant get linux onto the 360 as of yeyt

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Yahooadam:

yet #

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XLV:

Yahooadam, xebian? xmbc?

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Yahooadam:

xebian

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XLV:

its not dog slow as juski claimed?

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Yahooadam:

seems to be working fine for me

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Yahooadam:

infact the frontend is more responsive then on my sempron 2400+

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XLV:

i was about to buy one for fe, but what juski said put me off

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XLV:

i might as well try it after all

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XLV:

noisy?

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Yahooadam:

its £35 for a second hand one

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Yahooadam:

its a tiny bit, but im playing tv right now and i cant hear the fan

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Yahooadam:

the fan is *very* loud at 100% speed

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Yahooadam:

but unless you live in an oven i dont see why it would hit 100%

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Yahooadam:

lets face it, £35 isnt breaking the bank ....

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Yahooadam:

even if you dont like it its not the end of the world

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XLV:

yeah, also alternatives like msntv2 or s100 stb cant be found locally here, they are more expensive and i will have to have them mailed here from US, DE or UK

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Yahooadam:

mm

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Yahooadam:

you might need to pop in a larger HDD to the xbox though

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Yahooadam:

and your gonna need to mod it, either softmod or chip

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iamben:

what 8GB isnt enough? =)

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Yahooadam:

well depends if you wanna use the xbox as an xbox ;)

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Yahooadam:

if you use all 8gb i dont think u can ever play a game on it

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XLV:

yeah, well, i have ide hdds around.. and i will buy it hardware modded or do it afterwards

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XLV:

question, does it see >128GB hdds now? afaik some versions do?

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XLV:

i have some 160GB 7200rpm

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Yahooadam:

yes

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puzzled:

mkrufky: is the PVR-500 supposed to show up with Tuner0 and Tuner1 in mythtv-setup? I only see Tuner1 and thought the card had 2 tuners

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Yahooadam:

FatX cant address a partiton larger then 128gb

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Yahooadam:

so the xbox puts 128gb on F: and the rest on G:

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Yahooadam:

puzzled, you have to add each seperatly

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puzzled:

Yahooadam: ah I see. add them where? in mythtv-setup? in modprobe.conf?

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Yahooadam:

mythtv-setup

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puzzled:

Yahooadam: ok, thanks

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Yahooadam:

atleast on my nova-t 500 there was an ID

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Yahooadam:

ID0 and ID1

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Yahooadam:

you add each of them, 1 for each tuner

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mkrufky:

puzzled: pretend that instead of having a pvr500, that you have TWO pvr150's

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Yahooadam:

XLV, if you need help setting it up i can probably help u

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Yahooadam:

im so sick of those elitist xbox help assholes

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tjcarter:

hmm, there are definitely some minor issues with the channel editor in trunk

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Patina:

Yahooadam: Well, you almost just gave the answer, but nova-t 500 works well with mythtv?

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Patina:

Thinking of buying one, since analog tv is shut down in two years anyway.

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Hoxzer:

:O hmmm....seems like OSD has started to flicker after updating from fixes to multirec

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Yahooadam:

yes it works fine for me patina

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Yahooadam:

aslong as u can get digital in your area :)

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Patina:

I can.

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Patina:

Yahooadam: Thanks

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XLV:

Yahooadam, what remote you got for xbox? its MS dvd remote works?

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Yahooadam:

i have the MS dvd remote

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Yahooadam:

i havent got to setting it up yet

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Yahooadam:

im still fighting with xebian

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Yahooadam:

mainly

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Yahooadam:

when it loads, i changed it so it logs into mythtv

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Yahooadam:

but now it doesnt run startx

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TheyCallMeGod:

im trying to mount a 300g hard drive to the myth/video folder. i did it about 8 months ago but i had to redo my box today and I forgot how i did it. i know ther eis LVM but i remember doing it in some conrol page. i am running KM btw

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Yahooadam:

how do you get cp, chmod and chgrp to work on hidden files >_<

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Patina:

Maybe "cp .*"?

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Yahooadam:

ty :)

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

chgrp wont do it >_<

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Yahooadam:

chgrp .* mythtv = user . doesnt exist

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Chutt:

try using the arguments in the correct order.

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iamben:

hah

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

why does chgrp * mythtv work

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Chutt:

i doubt it did.

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Yahooadam:

kk thx :)

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Yahooadam:

why does chmod put the arguments first

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Yahooadam:

allways confuses me

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Chutt:

virtually everything puts the filenames last.

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Patina:

Most commands do.

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Yahooadam:

ok :p

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sphery:

filename(s) last makes the (s) part much easier--supporting multiple filenames as args

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Hoxzer:

I'm getting flickering with OSD when the video is playing on the background (if it is paused OSD looks fine). The problem started to occur when upgrading from 0.20-fixes to mythtv-multrec branch. Any ideas how to fix this ?

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Hoxzer:

and I'm not using xvmc

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bluey-:

mhh but still bob interlacing?

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Hoxzer:

where can I see taht ?

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Yahooadam:

does anyone know why xstart runs as user "live" but not as user "mythtv" on xebian (basically debian)

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Kritter:

because it's a live distro?

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Yahooadam:

this may be a bit of a n00b question but i dont really understand debian

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Yahooadam:

no, its installed on the hard disk

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Kritter:

well change the AutologinUser in gdm.conf

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Kritter:

assuming you're using gdm.

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Yahooadam:

no its not using gdm ;)

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Yahooadam:

by default it logged in as the user "live", but i want it to use "mythtv"

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Kritter:

which xmanager is it using then?

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Yahooadam:

xfree i think

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Yahooadam:

or xdm

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Yahooadam:

somthing like that

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Kritter:

xfree86 or xorg are the xframeworks, you want the display manager.

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Kritter:

which might be xdm, sure, find it's config file.

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Kritter:

check /etc/xdm/ as a suspect area.

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iamben:

ive got a pvr-250 w/ remote, could i in theory use any remote w/ this IR receiver, as long as i made a new config for lirc?

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Yahooadam:

it might be fluxbox

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Yahooadam:

no thats the window manager

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iamben:

Yahooadam: "ps faux" and look at what is above your window manager

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floppyears:

hi guys I'm trying to get my frontend to connect to the masterbackend and it does so just fine, but when I try to watch a previously recorded show it tells me unable to initialized video

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iamben:

err your x server i mean

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Yahooadam:

/usr/bin/X11/xfs -daemon

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Yahooadam:

?

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floppyears:

and the logs say Not compiled with any useable video output method.

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Yahooadam:

comes above \_ /bin/sh /usr/bin/X11/startx

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Anduin:

Yahooadam: xfs = x font server

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Yahooadam:

http://pastebin.com/m5b9aa33a

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floppyears:

I ran ./configure on my frontend and it tells me http://pastebin.com/m5ddf36ae

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floppyears:

any hints on what's causing this problem and how to solve it ?

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Yahooadam:

whats the problem ?

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xris:

yay, found code to (maybe) get the lcd working on my new chassis

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iamben:

Yahooadam: you aren't using a dm, you're running startx directly

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Yahooadam:

i had to run startx to get from the command line to whatever im running

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Yahooadam:

so umm ... what should i do

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Kritter:

as what user did you run startx?

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iamben:

i dont see what the problem is, it is running as mythtv

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Yahooadam:

mythtv

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Yahooadam:

iamben, it doesnt do it automatically

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Yahooadam:

it loads up linux, and i hit the command line, then i have to type startx for it to continue loading

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Kritter:

well I'd install a window manager and config it.

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Kritter:

but that's me,

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Yahooadam:

64mb ram = not much space to work with

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Kritter:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frontend_Auto_Login

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Kritter:

read that, pick one?

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Yahooadam:

i edited /etc/inittab and changed 1:12345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --noclear --autologin live tty1 to 1:12345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --noclear --autologin mythtv tty1

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Yahooadam:

so it now logs into the user mythtv, but doesnt start x with it, like it does with user live

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Kritter:

I'd look at the .files for 'live' and see if mythtv has the same ones that can start X.

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Kritter:

which is what that url says, next step.

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Kritter:

the .bash_profile.

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Kritter:

figure out what .file 'live' was using and clone it.

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floppyears:

so can any of you guys help me with my problem ?

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iamben:

soo after updating to 14495 svn, it wants a security pin to connect to backend? is there a default?

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iamben:

floppyears: i dont see any problems there

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Anduin:

iamben: There is no, mythtv-setup to set it

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Anduin:

t

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Hoxzer:

:O

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iamben:

Anduin: i couldnt find it in mythtv-setup, can you point me to it?

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Anduin:

iamben: It is in general, first page, six or so down

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Anduin:

(from memory of seeing it once but it is close to there)

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floppyears:

iamben: my mythfrontend tells me "unaable to initialize video" and I can't watch previous recorded programs :(

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iamben:

Anduin: ah ok i must have missed it when i scanned through real quick, thanks

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iamben:

floppyears: heh i didnt see your initial problems statement... have you checked the logs w/ -v playback enabled?

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phatmonkey:

lirc just seems to stop working on mythtv after a bit. if i restart mythfrontend, it works again. i'm using lirc_mceusb

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phatmonkey:

it appears to be random

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phatmonkey:

the internal mythvideo player has terrible performance on my HD videos compared to mplayer too. I guess this is something that can't be fixed?

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floppyears:

iamben: http://pastebin.com/m3bbd549f

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Yahooadam:

floppyears, its saying you havent compiled with any output methods

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Yahooadam:

but you have xv support supposidly

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floppyears:

Yahooadam: this is part of the output of configure http://pastebin.com/m5ddf36ae

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iamben:

floppyears: what video driver are you using?

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floppyears:

nvidia drivers in ubuntu

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floppyears:

with an fx5200

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floppyears:

the funny thing is that in the list of previously recorded shows the preview of the show plays fine at the bottom

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iamben:

yeah its not using hw accel at all though, if i understand correctly

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iamben:

if you have mplayer, does "mplayer -vo xv somefile.mpg" work?

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floppyears:

ok, let me install mplayer

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floppyears:

iamben: mplayer plays the somefile.mpg just fine

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iamben:

with -vo xv?

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floppyears:

iamben: yeah, part of the mplayer output says: VO: [xv] 428x240 => 428x240 Planar YV12

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floppyears:

what else can I check

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iamben:

i dunno, i was hoping it was just a system setup problem, seems like this might just be a myth thing

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Yahooadam:

floppyears, did u do sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv ?

[19:29:35]

floppyears:

Yahooadam: no, I just compiled mythtv from source

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kormoc:

floppyears, honestly, the full output of your frontend logs would be helpful

[19:29:48]

floppyears:

everything else is ubuntu packages

[19:29:58]

floppyears:

kormoc: ok, just a sec

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Yahooadam:

build-dep = get the dependancies to build

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floppyears:

Yahooadam: does that install the binary of the dependencies or compile them ?

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kormoc:

binarys

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floppyears:

kormoc: here's the full log of the frontend http://pastebin.com/m1f2e7909

[19:33:12]

floppyears:

I'm going to run the command that Yahooadam posted

[19:34:10]

Cromz:

http://pastebin.com/m2b37b163 been looking for 3 days with no leads on what to look at.

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floppyears:

Yahooadam: kormoc thanks for the help, the apt-get build-dep is installing the following new packages The following NEW packages will be installed: build-essential ccache debhelper dpatch dpkg-dev gettext html2text intltool-debian libartsc0-dev libasound2-dev libavc1394–0 libavc1394-dev libdts-dev libdvb-dev libdvdnav-dev libdvdnav4 libfreebob0 libid3tag0 libiec61883–0 libiec61883-dev libimlib2 libimlib2-dev libjack0.100.0–0 libjack0.100

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floppyears:

shoot sorry I didn't mean to paste them :(

[19:35:16]

floppyears:

I had pasted them into pastebin, and pasted the text instead of the url :(

[19:35:33]

floppyears:

anyways, I'll compile mythtv again, does that mean that I have recompile the plugins again too ?

[19:35:45]

kormoc:

maybe

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Yahooadam:

premade is so much easier :p

[19:36:30]

Yahooadam:

sudo apt-get install mythtv-frontend mythplugins myththemes

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Yahooadam:

or somthing along those lines :p

[19:36:58]

kormoc:

Cromz, Well, your lircd.conf is missing commands for your cable box, your channel changing script is failing, seems like your version of ivtv is too new for the version of myth you are using...

[19:37:10]

phatmonkey:

ok, it seems lirc is just stopping working randomly, not mythfrontend. irw isn't showing any output either. i'm using lirc_mceusb

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kormoc:

lirc_mceusb or lirc_mceusb2 ?

[19:38:06]

phatmonkey:

mceusb

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phatmonkey:

hmm, restarting lirc doesn't work, i'll see if reloading the module works

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Cromz:

kormoc, everything works cept recording. and the channel seems to be stuck on 4294967295. but lircd.conf is correct for my sa2000. not sure about ivtv tho. :/ have to look. but being it all works cept getting programinfo.

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phatmonkey:

kormoc, reload the module does indeed work

[19:39:32]

phatmonkey:

reloading even

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kormoc:

Cromz, lines 3 and 4 say your missing something in your lircd.conf

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kormoc:

Cromz, like 19 says myth thinks your channel change script is failing to change the channel due to it erroring out

[19:40:43]

kormoc:

Cromz, I'd bet if you fix the channel change script, myth will know the channel changed correctly

[19:42:08]

Cromz:

I have change on select for the guide. that works fine. but I will look closer at that. thanks. at least it's something to look at.. :)

[19:42:16]

phatmonkey:

kormoc, any ideas?

[19:43:06]

kormoc:

phatmonkey, not really, other then checking dmesg. I use lirc_mceusb2 and don't have issues, but your remote might not be supported by that module

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phatmonkey:

i suppose i could get cron to reload the module every minute

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Yahooadam:

...

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Yahooadam:

that wont help

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Yahooadam:

once you load the module into the kernal, it wont unload, unless its broken ofcourse

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** kormoc blinks **

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iamben:

since when?

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kormoc:

Yahooadam, what are you smoking?

[19:47:27]

Yahooadam:

a mix of things

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Yahooadam:

why is it going to unload once its in there

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Yahooadam:

unless you tell it to unload

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kormoc:

Yahooadam, when you say, run the command to unload it

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phatmonkey:

haha

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phatmonkey:

Yahooadam, yes, that's the point.

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Yahooadam:

sorry i assumed you would understand what i meant ;)

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Yahooadam:

even if i said it stupidly :p

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kormoc:

reload typically means unload and load

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iamben:

when he said "reload" he obviously meant unload then load again... he's not gonna keep jamming more and more lirc_mceusb's into the kernel

[19:49:55]

Yahooadam:

anyway, whats the point of unloading it and reloading it all the time ...

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kormoc:

Yahooadam, cause it stops responding to input and by reloading it, it brings it back to life?

[19:50:22]

iamben:

14:38 < phatmonkey> kormoc, reload the module does indeed work

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Yahooadam:

ohh, i thought he meant that it worked as in he was able to reload it

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Yahooadam:

not as in it fixed the problem

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pete__:

I bought a USB HD tuner for my laptop, and it works great. PRoblem is, I don't have a lot of hard drive space, so I'm curious if there's a way to tell mythtv to not keep around time-shifting files for every channel I've watched, even if I've switched channels

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kormoc:

pete__, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . n_Live_TV.3F

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pete__:

kormoc: thanks!

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

my xbox remote isnt working

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pete__:

kormoc: so I'm screwed. I would have been better with the old ringbuffer approach

[19:57:11]

pete__:

kormoc: kaffeine it is, unfortuneately

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kormoc:

pete__, you could try setting min space to the size of the drive

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kormoc:

pete__, that should expire as soon as the auto-expire scanner fires

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pete__:

kormoc: the problem is, I want to record TV programs, and I want to timeshift the channel I'm currently watching. My problem is that after I change channels, MythTV doesn't erase the temporary .mpg that it used for time-shifting. If I set the min space to the sie of the drive, it will erase my recordings too

[20:00:19]

pete__:

kormoc: so it seems I am out of luck, although I would love to hear otherwise

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iamben:

pete__: myth will always auto-expire your livetv stuff to make space for new recordings, so whats the problem?

[20:01:31]

iamben:

and it wont auto-expire stuff unless it is flagged for auto-expire

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pete__:

iamben: so if I set my recording to NEVER auto-expire, then they will never be deleted?

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Yahooadam:

cmoooon mythtv dammit, work with the remote >_<

[20:02:39]

pete__:

iamben: cause that would work

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Anduin:

pete__: live TV is the first to go

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Yahooadam:

w000t

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pete__:

Where do I set the minimum disk space left stuff?

[20:03:17]

pete__:

mythtv-setup general?

[20:03:45]

iamben:

maybe under storage?

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iamben:

i forget

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pete__:

iamben:

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pete__:

iamben: I'm sure i'll find it

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pete__:

thanks everyone

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Yahooadam:

wow wtf is mythtv doing

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Yahooadam:

tell it to play and it hammers teh HDD

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iamben:

can i use any other remotes w/ my pvr250's ir receiver?

[20:07:50]

iamben:

the rev1 remote sucks

[20:08:10]

anykey_:

Someone's using myth with DVB-C? I can watch TV with czap & cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0, but not with myth. Myth always says that it couldn't get a channel lock. Any ideas?

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laga:

anykey_: mythbackend -v record,channel,whatever,bla and start from there?

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Anduin:

iamben: Yes, RC-5

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Anduin:

iamben: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/remotes.php for example

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iamben:

excellent, thank you once again

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Cromz:

kormoc: I dont fully understand the reason, but it worked. lol thanks again. the two scripts http://pastebin.com/mdc9771e

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kormoc:

np

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anykey_:

laga: strange, I have set up the videosource again, now it suddely works ;)

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pete__:

* WARNING: mythbackend is scheduled to start when net.ath0 has started.

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pete__:

how the heck does something like that happen?

[20:25:32]

laga:

gentoo

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pete__:

exactly

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laga:

tried to rice up your init scripts? :>

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pete__:

but I didn't tell it to do that

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kormoc:

you did enable the backend to run on boot

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pete__:

no

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kormoc:

gentoo won't do it for you

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pete__:

this is not a dedicated machine

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pete__:

I want to start it manually

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pete__:

but I don't want it to start when my network comes up!

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kormoc:

so don't have it start on boot. man rc-update

[20:27:16]

pete__:

kormoc: its not starting on boot

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pete__:

kormoc: its starting as a dependency of net.ath0

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kormoc:

mythbackend requires the network to start

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pete__:

kormoc: I don't know how to change that with rc-update del

[20:27:44]

kormoc:

if you have it attempting ot start at boot but not the network

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kormoc:

it will comeup with the network

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mike3_:

pete__, rc-update show

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mike3_:

rc-update del myth

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mike3_:

rc-update add myth default

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mike3_:

balh blah

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pete__:

mike3: mythbackend isn't there

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mike3_:

look it up

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kormoc:

that's not how the ebuilds work, so something was done weird/wrong

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pete__:

kormoc: agreed

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mike3_:

I hate to ask this, but is there any requests or changes going to be done to mythtv frontend to include some type of animation via menu changes etc..

[20:29:29]

mike3_:

?

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mike3_:

Vista MCE like?

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kormoc:

when you submit the patches to do so, sure

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GreyFoxx:

There is one theme has has an animated dude in it. I don't know what anyone is currently planning to put in with that sort of thing though

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kormoc:

the opengl painter does have fades

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mike3_:

kormoc, it does?

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kormoc:

aye

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mike3_:

which themes support it?

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kormoc:

all?

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kormoc:

it just fades from screen to screen

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mike3_:

can you control the fade via fast and slow?

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kormoc:

no

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mike3_:

so you're stuck with the slow fading?

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kormoc:

yes

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mike3_:

that bites

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Anduin:

or you switch back to the Qt painter

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mike3_:

I'm at the point where I would like to enhance my media center, but not sure what else to do....

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GreyFoxx:

You could always edit the code to control the speed of the fade :)

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mike3_:

haha go hacking through mythtv source is what you're saying?

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mike3_:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

pretty much :)

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mike3_:

haha, not a coder ...

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GreyFoxx:

bah

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GreyFoxx:

one way to learn

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GreyFoxx:

and minor edits aren't rocket science :)

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mike3_:

Question, when looking at the guide, is it possible to switch catogories and such?

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iamben:

if i switch to the opengl painter and it doesnt work, how do i disable it without using the gui?

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laga:

mythfrontend --reset for example

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laga:

which will reset all apperance settings

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iamben:

excellent, thanks

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Tapout:

What is your guys honest opinion of the new scheduals direct? Good?

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Tapout:

what are rather ;)

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GreyFoxx:

Tapout: I'm biased, but I think it's a very good thing, and $15 for 6 months is cheap

[20:43:11]

Tapout:

maybe is, who knows .. either way.. SD good enough?

[20:43:36]

juski:

hey hey. I was wondering. Is anybody ever gonna start coding stuff they want to appear in mythtv rather than just coming in here & asking for an ETA?

[20:44:12]

Tapout:

GreyFoxx, my concern is I wanna have 2 guides in 1 listing.. Is that possible? I've got FTA and need both guides in 1

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kormoc:

Tapout, it's the same data as zap2it, just a little bit of money to get it now

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GreyFoxx:

Tapout: you can have up to 4 lineups

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Tapout:

kormoc, i've never used mythtv nor zap2it .. i'm using media center right now

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|Lunar_Lamp|:

http://pastebin.ca/698872 <== mythfilldatabase doesn't work and I can't work out why :-(

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Tapout:

GreyFoxx, does it matter I'm in Canada and want like other countries guides? ie: dishnetwork

[20:45:03]

juski:

Tapout: FWIW, though MCE's guide data might be 'free' it certainly ain't reliable AFAIK

[20:45:17]

Tapout:

juski, ya it's reliable but 0 ppv listings...

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GreyFoxx:

Tapout:technically yes, but I don't think the current stupp will sotp you

[20:45:29]

Tapout:

so if it's a pay per view .. lets say UFC on saturday night, it'll just say PPV

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juski:

not what a guy I work with says – he regularly slags it off claiming that MCE has recorded 10 showings of the same episode

[20:46:09]

juski:

always makes me smile, that

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kormoc:

Tapout, honestly, it's likely better for you to just sign up for the 7 day trial and see if it meets your wants/needs

[20:46:21]

Tapout:

oh he doesn't know what he's doing then heh.. he's setup media center to record multiple times a day as many times.. instead of "once per day"

[20:46:40]

juski:

Tapout: nah. he's plugged in alright

[20:46:43]

Tapout:

kormoc, i don't care about the 15 bucks ..

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kormoc:

Tapout, it doesn't remember that you have it already recorded?

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** kormoc blinks **

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Tapout:

juski, well i haven't experienced that .. I did for a while when I had my settings wrong

[20:47:22]

Tapout:

when i had aggressive settings, it'd record it all day if it was on.. when I set it to once per day .. it stopped that

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Anduin:

It does, or did back in 03

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juski:

maybe it's different for UK users then. not that I imagine MS care much for UK folks

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Tapout:

you just say .. "any channel, once per day" basically and it'll find it ...

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Tapout:

but what bugs me.. is if some channel goes from like 6:05 to 7:05 .. you can't automatically record from 7:05 to 8 .. it'll say "record one or the other" .. not .. "we'll start recording the second as soon as first is done"

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juski:

yeah but according to the guy at work it never knows which episodes you've got recorded

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Tapout:

no priorities or anything

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Tapout:

for me it does

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juski:

well see that's where something like mythtv whoops its ass :)

[20:48:48]

Tapout:

i'm using MCE2005 in North America

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tazgodx:

how can i find out what version of mythtv i am running? because i don't have an option for schedules direct in my sources listing. only data direct

[20:49:03]

Tapout:

juski, ya i'm going to get a new harddrive .. gonna try mythtv out today

[20:49:10]

GreyFoxx:

tazgodx: mythbackend --version

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Anduin:

tazgodx: mythfrontend --version

[20:49:25]

tazgodx:

thanks

[20:49:31]

juski:

so it doesn't have the CPU hogging 'animation' of the GUI – but to be honest everytime I've played with MCE I've never exactly been in awe of the user interface

[20:50:05]

Tapout:

the interface is a bit dumb, uses so many resources to do it.. if you disable it.. media center is actually responsive :)

[20:50:09]

Tapout:

then again I'm only on like a 2.8Ghz machine

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juski:

only. lol

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Tapout:

not a quad core latest

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tazgodx:

ok, is this the latest version? Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3

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juski:

tazgodx: far from it

[20:50:35]

kormoc:

tazgodx, no, it's not

[20:50:59]

juski:

Tapout: myth runs great on a 800Mhz box if all you wanna do is sdtv

[20:51:15]

jarle:

mythfilldatabase using xmltv grabber: "RT id 1994 (BBC HD) not known in channel ids file", which channel ids file is it talking about?

[20:51:15]

GreyFoxx:

tazgodx: That's over a year old

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kormoc:

Tapout, my first mythbox was on a 1.2 ghz box, and then I moved to a 2.13 ghz celeron cause I wanted it to be speedy.

[20:51:38]

kormoc:

it was fine on the 1.2 ghz, the 2.13 was fast and nice

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tazgodx:

hmm, thats what my ubuntu loaded it too, is there any better repos to use?

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juski:

jarle: /usr/bin/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids – update xmltv to a newer version – such as a nightly cvs checkout

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laga:

tazgodx: you need to nebale the backports or updates repo on your ubuntu

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laga:

s/nebale/enable/

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juski:

I saw mce on a 3Ghz machine a while back. the GUI looked ok but when I started playing music & went back into the menus, suddenly the animation was jerky & nasty

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lwizardl:

to watch HD streams on a mythtv frontend what system specs are mininum

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laga:

tazgodx: yes, enable the feisty-updates repo and you should be good

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juski:

lwizardl: for mpeg2 or h264 ?

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jarle:

juski: I have /usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids

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juski:

jarle: yeah you HAVE that file, but it's out of date

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Tapout:

kormoc, i've got spare hardware here that I'm gonna use temporarily .. I don't wanna disable my media center now .. so how would a amd sempron 2500+ @ 1400Mhz .. perform.. decent?

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lwizardl:

mpeg2 is whats used for the atsc correct?

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juski:

lwizardl: for now, yes

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Tapout:

only 1 GB of ram tho

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kormoc:

Tapout, for standard def, quite nicely

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GreyFoxx:

Tapout: Myh frontends (sdtv) are all 733celerons with 128 meg of ram

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GreyFoxx:

so that would be fine

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lwizardl:

doesn't h264 use smaller specs?

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juski:

lwizardl: nope

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juski:

h.264 is _way_ more cpu intensive to play back

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GreyFoxx:

h264 us MUCH more to decode

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lwizardl:

juski: ok then lets shoot for the h264

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juski:

lwizardl: quad core then

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lwizardl:

so I don't need to rebuild the machine quicker

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lwizardl:

ok more than 1gb of ram?

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juski:

well put it this way, people have problems playing h.264 on > 3Ghz machines in linux without help from a nasty windows codec

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laga:

depends on the resolution :)

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juski:

well put it this way, people have problems playing h.264 HDTV on > 3Ghz machines in linux without help from a nasty windows codec

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juski:

HDTV, as in > 720p

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laga:

looks like there'll be another ffmpeg sync with multithreaded decoding (which will only work for broadcast h.264 streams for some reason)

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juski:

only for broadcast streams? so those downloadable er.. creative commons HD vids won't get any benefit? lol

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jarle:

juski: seems that both my UK and Norwegian grabbers are out of date, so I'll have to go for cvs it looks like..

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juski:

jarle: unless you actually _have_ the channels the grabber whines about not being in the ids file, I'd not worry

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AndyCap:

jarle: what norwegian grabber?

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lwizardl:

ok so quad core intel cpu, 1gb or more ram dual channel, and the compatible video cards

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tazgodx:

anyone have a copy of sources.list for ubuntu, so i can upgrade? as far as i can tell i have feisty-updates added, but its still that old

[20:59:32]

juski:

lwizardl: not that there's much point in having a quad core CPU for video playback in linux yet – at least for mythtv anyway – unless you wanna buy the coreavc codec

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jarle:

AndyCap: tv_grab_no (I no there is a new grabber about, but that is not included in the ubuntu packages, so I'll have to go find it by myself...)

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laga:

tazgodx: feisty-updates for universe and multiverse?

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jarle:

AndyCap: I know...

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AndyCap:

jarle: yeah, a number of newer channels are not in the list

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AndyCap:

jarle: not to mention that the whole thing sucks rocks..

[21:01:01]

jarle:

AndyCap: which thing, tv_grab_no or xmltv?

[21:01:30]

AndyCap:

tv_grab_no mostly. :)

[21:01:32]

tazgodx:

http://pastebin.ca/698897

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tazgodx:

thats my sources.list

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tazgodx:

it look ok?

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jarle:

AndyCap: it hasn't been updated for ages...

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AndyCap:

I manually added id's for the extra channels.

[21:02:25]

AndyCap:

probably going to pay for that later. :P

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jarle:

AndyCap: If you have a working tv_grab_no, could you dcc it to me?

[21:03:47]

AndyCap:

jarle: it's not quite working. doesn't cover viasat 4 at the moment. I guess I should look into that.

[21:03:58]

jarle:

AndyCap: I couldn't figure out where to find the id for the new channels..

[21:04:55]

AndyCap:

jarle: hehe, there isn't one. :)

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AndyCap:

jarle: but.. a couple of them are different from the _gfeed ids I think, I guess they should be synced up

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jarle:

AndyCap: I was told that I should use tv_grab_no_gfeed as that was more up2date

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AndyCap:

jarle: well, it was at one point at least

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AndyCap:

jarle: meh, more bugs there.. just a sec

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jarle:

AndyCap: a bit strange that none of the norwegain grabbers has been updated for several months even though new channels have arrived...

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AndyCap:

jarle: hehe, people buy MS Media Center instead. :P

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tazgodx:

anyone have a sources.list for ubuntu so i can upgrade my mythtv?

[21:16:39]

tjcarter:

MythTV: Because Windows Media Center Edition angers the gods.

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Kritter:

the debian multimedia archive miht work for you.

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tjcarter:

tazgodx: suggestion: use apt to install build depends for mythtv, then build -fixes or trunk out of svn, whichever you want

[21:17:55]

phatmonkey:

still having problems with lirc. it stops working randomly. to get it working again, i have to reload the lirc module, start lirc and restart mythfrontend

[21:19:21]

tazgodx:

i don't know how to build mythtv from trunk, know of a guide to do that?

[21:20:36]

AndyCap:

jarle: you know who makes Fem?

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lwizardl:

juski: 14.95 isn't bad for the coreavc pro codec

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tjcarter:

x264 easily ties the best avc codec money can buy.

[21:21:56]

tjcarter:

And it's free.

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juski:

lwizardl: a lot worse than free though

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juski:

tjcarter: apart from the fact it won't play h.264 UK HDTV properly

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tjcarter:

juski: use whatever to play.

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juski:

what?

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tjcarter:

x264 is what you use to encode =D

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jarle:

AndyCap: I was thinking TV Norge, but not sure...

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lwizardl:

juski: what I want to do is build a seperate backend & frontend and beable to record/transcode multiple shows (like 2 SD & 1 HD at same time) on the backend

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** tjcarter has at least three AVC playback codecs handy **

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juski:

I can't be arsed with this

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AndyCap:

jarle: it was. but they live at femtv.no

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AndyCap:

jarle: added nrk3,fem,viasat4.

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jarle:

AndyCap: Maybe you should supply a patch, so that the grabber can be updated...

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AndyCap:

jarle: care to look at the id's and see if they look sane.

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AndyCap:

jarle: dcc..

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jarle:

AndyCap: try again please...

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jarle:

AndyCap: seems like XChat didn't like downloading a file with same name... I keep hitting accespt but nothing happens...

[21:28:36]

AndyCap:

jarle: oh well.

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jarle:

AndyCap: I have renamed the file, one last try...

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jarle:

AndyCap: better :)

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garth:

hey im having a problem with my recorded shows not appearing among the browse-able recordings when i want to watch them, even though they exist in /ver/lib/mythtv/recordings

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garth:

is there anyone that can help me?

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jarle:

garth: Maybe they are placed in a seperate group?

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AndyCap:

jarle: well, off to figure out how to change ztv into viasat4

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jarle:

garth: Can you see them in mythweb?

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garth:

in myth web? no

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garth:

i dont see them ANYWHERE in myth except where it lists the recordings history

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tazgodx:

how do i shutdown all my myth processes?

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jarle:

AndyCap: first time talking to a Norwegian guy in here, nice talking to you!

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AndyCap:

think I've seen some more here

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garth:

if i record liveTV or if I pause liveTV, i do get recordings however

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garth:

this is only a problem for scheduled recordings

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lwizardl:

whats the most supported HD card in mythtv?

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Anduin:

garth: him m in watch recordings

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Anduin:

hit even

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garth:

k hold on lemme try

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garth:

wait hold on my backend isnt running right now

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garth:

crap whats the command to restart the backend/

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Anduin:

garth: It depends on you packages

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garth:

hrm'

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tazgodx:

can anyone tell me how to shutdown all myth processes?

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jarle:

Anybody compiled mplayer lately? I'm having problems getting it to include xvmc support. "./configure --enable-xvmc" does not seem to do the trick

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garth:

wait i think im onto something

[21:37:04]

jarle:

Do I need some additional dowloads?

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jarle:

garth: Which distro?

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garth:

running mythbackend in the terminal gives me this error msg

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garth:

Ubuntu btw

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garth:

its seems /var/lib/myth/recordings isn't writeable by my user

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garth:

basically i got unable to open nsflockfile, permission denied

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Anduin:

garth: which user normally runs the backend?

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jarle:

garth: "sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart"

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garth:

i have two users, "garth" and "mythtv," but I usually run everything under 'garth'

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garth:

i can still run the backend usually, and watch tv just fine and stuff

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garth:

jarle: after that command, i get: Usage: /etc/init.d/mythbackend {start|stop|restart|force-reload}

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garth:

thats all

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garth:

wait, duh

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Aval0n:

lol

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garth:

grrr i dont know what im doing wrong, but the front end cant seem to find the backend

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jarle:

garth: linefeed should not be included in cut'n'paste:)

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garth:

I understand that, i typed it in manually

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Aval0n:

garth tried sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start ?

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garth:

that did it

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garth:

damn confusing syntax

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garth:

lol

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garth:

ok so back to the problem that led me here

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garth:

i cant see my complete scheduled recordings in "watch recordings"

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garth:

even though they exist in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings

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garth:

might it have something to do with permissions on that folder/

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Anduin:

garth: It is a perms issue, it is a filter one.

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Anduin:

isn't I'm going to give up typing for today

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garth:

hehe its ok iread you loud and clear

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garth:

so do you have suggestions?

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Anduin:

garth: You are at the "hit m in Watch Recordings" part

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garth:

ok

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garth:

i havent configured any filters yet

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garth:

i think i should be able to see all recordings

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garth:

holy crap! there they are!

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garth:

well i'll be damned

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Anduin:

It is a common problem

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garth:

cool thanks man

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garth:

that solved it for me

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garth:

here's another quick question

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garth:

i have a huge music library on my windows box, shared on the network

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garth:

can i tell MythMusic to find that folder?

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garth:

like, will it take a directory path like smb:///198.167.1.4/D ?

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Yahooada1:

Hey guys, how many "mythfrontend" procceses does your box make while playing back a recording

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Anduin:

Yahooada1: One process, several threads

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jarle:

garth: You need to mount it on you mythbox using the cifs or smbfs filesystem...

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Yahooada1:

how do u get top to just show the procceses ?

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garth:

ok jarle, thanks, i will experiment with that

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garth:

thanks a bunch guys, you rock!

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Yahooada1:

ive got 10 mythtv proccess/threads

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Yahooada1:

well the xbox plays back fine

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Yahooada1:

but i really think it could do with some more memory for the menus, those are a bit sloow

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Anduin:

Yahooada1: Even 128 is tight

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Yahooada1:

it may be tight, atm the menu is a bit slow, doubling the memory will probably make it alot nicer

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Yahooada1:

its actually fine at playback, no issues atall there

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lwizardl:

my internet went down.

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lwizardl:

so what is the most common card used for HD on mthtv?

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tazgodx:

hmm, i updated my mythtv now, and now when watching TV the screen just fades to black in the middle of watching tv

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AndyCap:

there we go, ztv -> vst4 ok.

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puzzled:

evening all

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Anduin:

tazgodx: sounds like DPMS or a screen saver, myth tries to disable them, it may not be working.

[22:12:39]

tazgodx:

is there a way to fix that?

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Anduin:

tazgodx: several, disabling DPMS and/or screen savers is one, or track down why Myth isn't doing it

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puzzled:

would someone please be so kind to confirm the drivers for my PVR-500 are properly loaded. Output here: http://pastebin.ca/698961

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Yahooada1:

looks fine to me

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puzzled:

Yahooada1: thanks

[22:17:58]

Yahooada1:

its pretty easy to find out if its working

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puzzled:

I'm all ears

[22:18:14]

Yahooada1:

ummm lol :p

[22:18:16]

puzzled:

so far this was not easy so it would be nice for a change

[22:18:35]

Yahooada1:

theres a command that will stream/record some stuff from your card

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tazgodx:

how do i dissable a screensaver?

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Yahooada1:

i just dont remember what it is off the top of my head

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Yahooada1:

most guides tell you how to check though

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puzzled:

Yahooada1: you mean cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/foo.mpg ?

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Anduin:

puzzled: cat /dev/yourivtvdevice(maybevideo0) > somemepg.mpg

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puzzled:

I get snow all the time

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Anduin:

snow is good

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Yahooada1:

thats fine

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Yahooada1:

blackness is bad

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puzzled:

doh

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Anduin:

snow means tuning

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puzzled:

nice, one down

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puzzled:

thanks Anduin

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Yahooada1:

because your just recording, not controlling it, its not actually tuned to a channel

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Tall-guy:

Help!..setup mythdora, had it all working nice, except for tv out on my pvr350...I yummed a couple of ivtvs and modified my modprobe...and now I'm getting a kernel panic starting UDEV....help!

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AndyCap:

puzzled: ivtv-tune lets you change a channel

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puzzled:

AndyCap: just found that one. now I gotto figure out the channel list for the cable stuff here but first...

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Yahooadam:

puzzled, if youve already worked out its working, why not just get mythtv to set it up :)

[22:24:09]

AndyCap:

Yahooadam: because myth sucks at if you're outside the US. :P

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puzzled:

I'm in mythtv-setup, adding a Capture card. select MPEG-2 encoder card with /dev/video0 (probed as a WinTV PVR-500 (unit#1)) and I only see Tuner1. There is no Tuner0. Shouldn't there be 2 Tuners?

[22:24:28]

puzzled:

Yahooada1: you beat me to it. slow typer :)

[22:25:03]

AndyCap:

puzzled: two cards with one tuner each

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lwizardl:

does mythtv support ATI remotes? mine is a USB RF Wireless Remote Receiver Part # 5000015900B

[22:25:38]

Yahooadam:

AndyCap, im in the UK ;)

[22:25:48]

puzzled:

AndyCap: I interpret that as 2 tuners. Since I only have Tuner1, where's Tuner0 (Tuner2)?

[22:25:52]

Yahooadam:

but getting the card working is the easy bit ...

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GreyFoxx:

lwizardl: You can use the ati_remote kernel modules, or use the lirc ati_usb module

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AndyCap:

puzzled: no, you're wrong. :) you need to add two cards. each of them only has 1 tuner

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puzzled:

AndyCap, See the logic now. Will give that a try. thanks

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Yahooadam:

there are 2 tuners on 1 board, but the computer sees them as seperate devices

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puzzled:

got it, thanks

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Tall-guy:

anyone know how I can "interrupt" my boot process to fix something I screwed up? (hanging just after Press "I" to enter interactive)

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puzzled:

Tall-guy: did you try to boot to runlevel 1 by adding 1 to your boot cmd line?

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lwizardl:

GreyFoxx: ok because in set it asks for the kernal modules and gives 2 options for ati

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AndyCap:

Tall-guy: in the grub boot menu. press a and add the word single

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Tall-guy:

gracias!

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_abbenormal:

hello all

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Yahooadam:

Dont ask to ask just ask

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Tall-guy:

puzzled: trying your suggestion and andycaps....

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lwizardl:

GreyFoxx: i have options for "ATI/NVIDIA/X10 I & II RF Remote" or "ATI/NVIDIA/X10 RF Remote (userspace)" which would be the correct one?

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puzzled:

drum rolls...

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Tall-guy:

"single" didn't work...

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_abbenormal:

is there a way to set the remote to scroll thru the guide channel hold the key down im tired of this having to let up the button thumb getting tired

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Anduin:

_abbenormal: page down/up work there

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Tall-guy:

....entering runlevel 1

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Tall-guy:

...kernel panic :(

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Tall-guy:

mutherParker!

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_abbenormal:

yes but only one page at a time if you hold yours down does it keep paging or stop until you push the button again

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floppyears:

hi guys, I have my mythfrontend working and I can watch previously recorded shows just fine. but I can't watch livetv

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floppyears:

here's the output of mythfrontend log

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puzzled:

Tall-guy: which distro do you use?

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Tall-guy:

puzzled: mythdora

[22:41:00]

puzzled:

Tall-guy: if Fedora, download the rescue image, burn it on a cd and boot the box with it (assuming it has a cd/dvd drive). Then you can try to fix the issue

[22:41:00]

Tall-guy:

grub boot loader

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Tall-guy:

puzzled: man, if you only know how hard that was for me to do right now :)

[22:42:31]

floppyears:

any clues as to what could cause mythfrontend not to watch livetv ?

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floppyears:

this is just a frontend only

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tazgodx:

how can i dissbale my screen saver? it keeps turning on while watching tv

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puzzled:

Tall-guy: what do you need to fix?

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puzzled:

tazgodx: on a gnome desktop it is found under system -> preferences

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DeKay:

Hi. I use mythfrontend. After my box wakes up in the middle of the night, instead of shutting back down, I come down in the morning to see "MythTV is locked by a user". Anybody know why this would be?

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Yahooadam:

floppyears, you seem to have missed the bit where you showed us the log

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floppyears:

Yahooadam: haha, yes I did :)

[22:46:18]

floppyears:

Yahooadam: I just remembered that I have to change the ip address of the backend to not be 127.0.0.1 in the backend machine

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floppyears:

I'm going to go and change that

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floppyears:

hopefully that will fix it

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lwizardl:

how would a sempron 64 work for a HD system? ok, good, horrible, etc

[22:48:18]

DeKay:

Anyone? Don't tell me everyone leaves their box running 24x7 :-)

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Yahooada1:

lwizardl – probably marginally at best

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Yahooada1:

dekay, are you sure you set it up to shutdown and not to lock ?

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Yahooada1:

have you tried to test it while your watching it aswell dekay

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shaggyoaf:

Hi, everybody. I wonder if anybody can tell me how to get my USB IR-receiver to start working. lirc seems to expect that there is a device at /dev/lirc0

[22:51:13]

shaggyoaf:

but there is none

[22:51:19]

DeKay:

Yahooada1: If I'm watching TV and exit to mythfrontend, it shuts down in 3 minutes.

[22:51:26]

shaggyoaf:

I'm using the one that came with my WinTV-PVR-150

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Yahooada1:

shaggyoaf – is that a usb one ?

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada1, yeah

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Yahooada1:

what OS are you using ?

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada1, ubuntu feisty with myth packages

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Yahooada1:

swee

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Yahooada1:

which guide did you follow to set it up

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada1, heh, I didn't really... That may be part of my problem :)

[22:53:11]

Yahooada1:

lol

[22:53:12]

shaggyoaf:

Yahooada1, can you recommend one?

[22:53:17]

Yahooada1:

i can

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Yahooada1:

it may be easier for me to guide u tho

[22:53:40]

Yahooada1:

feisty and lirc = pain in the a$$ imo

[22:53:45]

Yahooada1:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada1, If you've got the time, I'd appreciate that

[22:54:07]

Yahooada1:

go down to the bit where it says sudo nano /etc/lirc/hardware.conf

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Yahooada1:

your using a mceusb2 device btw shaggyoaf

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada1, yeah, I guessed :)

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada1, thanks for the ptr, I'm walking through it now

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DeKay:

oops. In my question above, I meant mythwelcome, not mythfrontend. Mythwelcome says "mythtv is locked by a user" instead of shutting down after recording a show in the middle of the night.

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Yahooada1:

i reccomend u check in with me when your editing the hardware.conf

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Yahooada1:

thats where most mistakes are made shaggyoaf

[22:58:05]

shaggyoaf:

Yahooada1, yeah, I can see why. The section is a little confusing

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada1, so I need LOAD_MODULES=true LIRCD_ARGS="--device=/dev/lirc0" and MODULES="lirc_mceusb" right?

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Yahooada1:

no :p

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Yahooada1:

load modules is right

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Yahooada1:

device=""

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Yahooada1:

modules="lirc_mceusb2"

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Yahooada1:

once youve done that, i suggest you pastebin your hardware.conf

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Yahooada1:

and lirc-modules-source.conf

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada1, http://pastebin.com/d77e5a0ae

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Yahooada1:

LIRCD_ARGS=""

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Yahooada1:

MODULES="lirc_mceusb2"

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floppyears:

Yahooadam: thanks it was the ip address in the mythtv-setup of the backend was set to 127.0.0.1 instead of the external ip address

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada1, heh, oops... MODULES is a typo :( thanks for catching it

[23:04:28]

Yahooada1:

make sure you clear the lircd_args shaggyoaf

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Yahooada1:

you shouldnt set the device

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Yahooada1:

also, if you _had_ to set the device, you set it a bit lower in the config

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada1, ok

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Yahooada1:

glad its working floppyears :)

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada1, I don't seem to have an /etc/lirc-modules-source.conf file just yet... should I run the module-assistant stuff first, or is this a bad sign?

[23:06:01]

Yahooada1:

its in /etc/lirc/lirc-modules-source.conf

[23:06:29]

Yahooada1:

and you should have run sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source by now

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada1, hrm... maybe I should run the whole guide and come back to see you

[23:07:19]

Yahooada1:

yeah lol

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Tall-guy:

ok boys, I managed to get to init1, but Im stuck with a RO filesystem!

[23:07:29]

Yahooada1:

do sudo apt-get remove lirc --purge

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Yahooada1:

and start from the top

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lwizardl:

ok redoing the mythtv setup becuase I must of set something wrong all i got was a black screen

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lwizardl:

for OTA antennathe channel frequency is us-bcast correct?

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lwizardl:

*antenna

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Tall-guy:

hey, guess what...puting "modrobe" instead of "modprobe" in a file makes a big difference :)

[23:14:31]

Yahooada1:

......... lol

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Tall-guy:

silly things these computers :)

[23:15:28]

Tall-guy:

(I ripped out my ivtv boards....managed to stop the bleeding)

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|Torg|:

try using CVS and typing co instead of cp

[23:16:42]

Yahooada1:

lol hi |torg|

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|Torg|:

hey Yahooada1 :)

[23:16:58]

Tall-guy:

must be typo day

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|Torg|:

I spell just fine, my typing on the other hand, sucks

[23:17:27]

Tall-guy:

torg: don't type on the other hand!

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|Torg|:

I type about 120 WPM with errors, about 20 without :P

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Yahooada1:

lol

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Yahooada1:

i wonder how fast i type :s

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|Torg|:

hand? you mean I shouldnt type with just two index fingers and a thumb

[23:18:05]

Yahooada1:

im a bit slower on this comp cos the keyboard sux :p

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|Torg|:

I use the HP system for typing

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|Torg|:

Hunt and Peck :P

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Yahooada1:

lol

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Tall-guy:

well, that was fun.....time to put the hauppauge cards back in!

[23:19:38]

Yahooada1:

i finally have a frontend |torg| :p

[23:19:41]

Yahooada1:

using an xbox :)

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|Torg|:

I can do that, it just wont play my HD worth a damn

[23:20:20]

|Torg|:

there is no xbox360 hack tho, it uses M$ propriate mediacenter plugin

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|Torg|:

Ive been thinkig of starign up a mythtv support line, $150 a hour :)

[23:22:52]

|Torg|:

Ive been inundated with idot users who not only ask idiot questions but do so with an indigation that makes me think they belive I owe them support

[23:22:58]

|Torg|:

anyone want to sign up?

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Yahooada3:

sigh

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Yahooada3:

i hate my ISP

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Tall-guy:

torg: this isn't your job? :)

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|Torg|:

sure it is

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|Torg|:

juski likes to point our you get what you pay for

[23:25:13]

|Torg|:

hell im jsut trying to give them an oppostunity to pay for it :P

[23:25:13]

Yahooada3:

bah

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|Torg|:

$300 and ill setup your mythbox, one box not seperate system

[23:25:36]

Yahooada3:

i seem to have missed the middle of this conversation :p

[23:25:42]

|Torg|:

$200 each aditiona system, $500 if you messed with it first

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Yahooada3:

$300 – ripoff :p

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|Torg|:

if you want to ask questions after im done, thats a support contract

[23:26:04]

Yahooada3:

ha ha :)

[23:26:10]

Yahooada3:

u sure know how to do business :p

[23:26:12]

|Torg|:

Yahooada3 you assume I actualy WANT to sell this

[23:26:16]

kormoc:

|Torg|, feel free to, but this channel is not the place to drum up business

[23:26:19]

|Torg|:

its called punative pricing

[23:26:30]

tjcarter:

For $500 I'll build and install a mythbox for you. =p

[23:26:37]

Tall-guy:

50$ if I do, 100 if you watch, 250 if you ask questions.

[23:26:39]

|Torg|:

ohh im too cheap?

[23:26:42]

tjcarter:

Of course, you have to be in Monmouth or it's extra.

[23:27:05]

Yahooada3:

tall-guy – that would work better if you could get your own working :p

[23:27:17]

Tall-guy:

yahoooda: shhhh, don't tell anyone

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|Torg|:

$1500 to compile a whaever rpm for you, ill even throw in a deb package :P

[23:27:40]

Tall-guy:

how important could a "p" be?

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tjcarter:

I'm cheap because I can build and set up a mythbox in about an hour and a half, and $100 for my trouble isn't bad.

[23:28:05]

lwizardl:

any plans to intergrate titantv guides?

[23:28:13]

Yahooada3:

ha ha tall-guy :p

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|Torg|:

tjcarter your aprocing this as if you were actualy wanting to do it

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tjcarter:

|Torg|: I'm a grad student.

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Yahooada3:

i bet |torg| can set up 5, with 1 hand tied behind his back and with a blindfold :p

[23:29:19]

|Torg|:

Ill bet you I dont want to

[23:29:47]

tjcarter:

Yahooada3: I actually DID build a computer with a blindfold.

[23:29:57]

tjcarter:

front panel wires are a bitch that way.

[23:30:05]

|Torg|:

and im not really any more knoledgable then anyone else here, I just tend to be more vocal

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Yahooada3:

i suspect you know more then i do :p

[23:30:32]

Tall-guy:

vocal? you should have heard me when this thing wouldn't boot

[23:30:47]

Yahooada3:

then again, as i only started using mythfrontend today ..... :p

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|Torg|:

swearing at your comptuer makes it run better

[23:31:30]

Tall-guy:

yeah, but rough on my impressionable kids

[23:31:46]

Yahooada3:

well i can tell u for sure kicking it doesnt help

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Yahooada3:

ive got an old case with a crack down the front from that :p

[23:32:05]

|Torg|:

Yahooada3, help what, the computer, or me :P

[23:32:06]

Tall-guy:

I kicked a Sun disk array into oblivion once....not proud of that moment

[23:32:53]

|Torg|:

I dropped a T3 off the roof once, well me and 5 others

[23:33:42]

Tall-guy:

ooh, this looks promising...."framebuffer registered on ivtv card id 0" :)

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tjcarter:

|Torg|: I have this story about this old dot matrix printer that ate paper, a boss who wouldn't let us buy a new one because the old one still technically worked, a six-story office building, and a cracked sidewalk.

[23:34:42]

tjcarter:

I've already told half of it now, may as well finish:

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daedalus8:

Did zap2it shut down or something? I seem to be getting a "Name or service not known" error

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Yahooada3:

wow welcome to 2+ weeks ago ....

[23:35:19]

kormoc:

daedalus8, welcome to two months ago

[23:35:27]

Yahooada3:

lol

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|Torg|:

tjcarter sounds like some of the stuff we did :)

[23:35:55]

tjcarter:

The thing jammed up all the time. This time, we were having trouble unjamming the platten. So we tossed it off the roof. Plastic shattered into millions of pieces, the metal frame dented a little, and the platten was freed.

[23:36:00]

daedalus8:

Yahooada, Heh. Is there a fix/wikipage I should consult?

[23:36:01]

tjcarter:

The printer worked after that.

[23:36:13]

|Torg|:

daedalus8 http://www.google.com

[23:36:13]

Tall-guy:

daedalus8 schedulesdirect.org

[23:36:22]

daedalus8:

Thanks

[23:36:25]

Tall-guy:

and prepare for 15 bucks

[23:36:30]

daedalus8:

Oh boo

[23:36:38]

Tall-guy:

beats typing it in by hand

[23:36:47]

daedalus8:

15 bucks monthly?

[23:36:52]

tjcarter:

The boss came in and asked about the cracked sidewalk. We all swore no knowledge of this, but commented that we spent the past hour unjamming the printer..

[23:36:52]

kormoc:

daedalus8, $30 a year

[23:36:52]

|Torg|:

6 months

[23:37:01]

daedalus8:

Grrr

[23:37:03]

rooaus:

daedalus8: Will involve updating to a recent version of myth as well.

[23:37:09]

|Torg|:

if you extrapolate then what kormoc said is true

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tjcarter:

He took one look at the printer and said, "I don't even f*cking want to know. If I let you guys go buy a printer, will you stop breaking my sidewalk?"

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|Torg|:

its technically $15 with 7 day free, upgraded to 6 months fromt eh previous 3

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tjcarter:

We managed to keep straight faces until we were on our way to the store and the pub afterward..

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|Torg|:

so if you extrapolate two 6 months chunks its $60

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|Torg|:

if you follow along with the goal, it will be $20 per year

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kormoc:

|Torg|, it's $30 a year from now on, not $60

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lwizardl:

will a geforce 6150 work for hdtv output?

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dgstinner:

|Torg| two 6 month chunks would be $30

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|Torg|:

kormoc since when?

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rooaus:

tjcarter: The question is did he listen to you when you said the new printer needed replacing?

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Yahooada3:

lol |torg|

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Yahooada3:

welcome to 2 days ago :p

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tjcarter:

rooaus: I didn't work there that long

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kormoc:

|Torg|, when we changed it

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Yahooada3:

price is now $15 for 6 months

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Yahooada3:

even i know that and im in the UK :p

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tjcarter:

He did know that the printer was working (it was printing when he came in

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|Torg|:

well kormoc go change the announcment, it stil says $15 for 6 months with the goal of $20 a year

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kormoc:

|Torg|, $15 for 6 months is $30 a year, not $60

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kormoc:

<|Torg|> so if you extrapolate two 6 months chunks its $60

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|Torg|:

yes my math suck ok :P

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|Torg|:

but its $20 not $30

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kormoc:

the goal is $20

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kormoc:

but until it gets changed again, it's currently sitting at $30

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|Torg|:

current cost is $15 for 6 months, there is no year plan

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Yahooada3:

still $30/yr is much closer the $60/yr

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tjcarter:

if it changes again, it could well be that we are all good until June 2008

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|Torg|:

Yahooada3 I was willing to pay the $60, I was jsut saying you cant argue yearly pricing when there is none

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tjcarter:

So sign up people =D

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Tall-guy:

i think 15 bucks is cheep myself.

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lwizardl:

ok same issue on the new mythtv setup

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Tall-guy:

(and I'm freeeeeekin cheep)

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|Torg|:

I* think $15 is INSANLY cheap

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kormoc:

|Torg|, sure you can, you just take $15 * 2 and that's how much it would currently cost for a year of service...

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|Torg|:

but they dont sell a year os service, I would tend to think since it was raised from 3 months to 6 it would be closer to $20 for a year then $30

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|Torg|:

not 2x $15 but rather the stated goal

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kormoc:

|Torg|, how? you paid $15, and you got 6 months of listings. in 6 months, currently you'll pay another $15 for another 6 months, that's $30

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rooaus:

|Torg|: There is no yearly plan because SD plan on dropping the pricing, no point signing people up for 1yr then have to refund the difference or extend the subscription to 5yrs etc.

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lwizardl:

I had the mythtv setup use the us-bcast for my antenna and the did a channel scan and it found 18 channels. then after the setup finished when i click on watch tv i get a black screen then a few seconds later it goes back to the menu

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|Torg|:

umm I piad $15 got 7 days free and a 3 month subscription, earlier this week it was extended to 6 months

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lwizardl:

anyone know what I need to do to fix this ?

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_abbenormal:

did you save the scan

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kormoc:

|Torg|, it's not a sure thing to meet the goal of $20 a year by the time you need to renew

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Yahooada1:

sigh

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Yahooada1:

i swear my ISP is trying to make me go on a rampage

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lwizardl_:

dang internet connection today

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lwizardl_:

anyone know what causes a black screen for watch tv

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Tall-guy:

lwizard: wrong output?

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rooaus:

lwizardl_: tv not turned on? ;)

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Anduin:

lwizardl_: pastebin your backend log (use some site better than pastebin though)

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lwizardl_:

ok tell me how to copy the log

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Yahooada1:

whats wrong with pastebin anduin :s

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rooaus:

lwizardl_: Does it return to the menu after a while, or just stay black until you exit?

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Anduin:

Yahooada1: ugly, slow, etc

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lwizardl_:

returns to menu

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Anduin:

lwizardl_: recordings work?

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lwizardl_:

nope just finished the install

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lwizardl_:

using mythbuntu

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Yahooada1:

lwizardl

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Yahooada1:

close mythfrontend

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rooaus:

Is this your first time using myth? Maybe the starting channel is not set properly.

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Yahooada1:

open a terminal

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Anduin:

lwizardl_: Your inputs may not have a source, or you may have a bad startchan

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Yahooada1:

type mythfrontend

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lwizardl_:

k trying

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Yahooada1:

then when you try and watch livetv

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Yahooada1:

you will see the errors in the console (alt-tab to see it)

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lwizardl_:

it keeps rebooting into mythtv'

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rooaus:

Surely mythbuntu is logging somewhere, try looking in /var/log/myth*

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