Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, September 11th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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fryfrog:

wow

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fryfrog:

"murders" i assume is *everythign* right? not just gun deaths?

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BULLE:

fryfrog: ye, everything

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fryfrog:

i wonder what the number of gun deaths is (accident, suicide, crime)

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Yahooadam:

but the law is stupid anyway

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BULLE:

fryfrog: this wsa just murders

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fryfrog:

actually, i'm surprised... that number is a lot closer than i thought

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Yahooadam:

We have a compound bow in our house

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fryfrog:

only 2x

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BULLE:

i dont see any reason to allow pistols/revolvers etc here

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Yahooadam:

i would be far more scared of that beast then a gun

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: i wouldnt

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: you cant hide it, i will see you carry it, it takes time to reload

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BULLE:

its not something you bring down to the local pub

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Yahooadam:

true, but its deadly accurate, and it has a huuge range on it

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Yahooadam:

true :p

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fryfrog:

I don't really agree, but it at least makes some logical sense

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fryfrog:

If there were some *sure* way of removing *all* pistols from the entire country and some *sure* way of knowing more would never make it in (or be made), that'd work

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Yahooadam:

but for the "majority" of deaths

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Yahooadam:

like accidents, and domestic violence, a compound bow is just as dangerous

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BULLE:

fryfrog: with that reasoning, you cant ban anything

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BULLE:

fryfrog: not even murder

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BULLE:

fryfrog: as, you can never assure that no murders will ever be commited

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fryfrog:

but all i see it doing for a *long* time is raising the value of pistols and putting them in the hands of criminals

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Yahooadam:

yeah

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Yahooadam:

but dont forget, your house is full of lethal weapons anyway

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BULLE:

i dont need a pistol

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fryfrog:

you can *punish* murders, if you catch them

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Yahooadam:

a bread knife is just as deadly as a gun

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: yes and no

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fryfrog:

not *just* as deadly :p

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: a breadknife will most likely wound your hand aswell as the enemy, so dont use those

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fryfrog:

but just ask the 4th graders who are expelled from school when their mom accidentally packs one :)

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: use something witha proper hilt ( or what its called in english )

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Yahooadam:

why would it wound your hand ....

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Yahooadam:

use the handle, slit somones throat

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: because a breadknife doesnt have good enough, what its now called, so your fingers will either take the whole load, or they will slide down onto the blade

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Yahooadam:

oh i think your thinking if you stab with it

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fryfrog:

you'd prolly have to jam it into their throat

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: a knife is primary a stabbing weapon

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: its damn hard to cut someones troath if they dont want you to do it

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Yahooadam:

somthing very sharp like a break knife could easily cut your throat

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: yes

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: except its not easy at all to cut someone throat when they resist

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Yahooadam:

true

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: just stabbing them i LOTS easier

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Yahooadam:

we have 2 bayonetts aswell :p

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Yahooadam:

that would make a good stabbing weapon

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BULLE:

indeed

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BULLE:

they are exactly that

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Yahooadam:

but i think its illegal to carry them

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Yahooadam:

well then again its illegal to carry a bread knife so ...

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: yeah, i would assume so, as you dont have any practical need for them

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: not if you have a proper use for it, eg in your kitchen, or in a picknick basket on your way to a picknick site etc ?

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Yahooadam:

yeah

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BULLE:

its the old, no, you cant take your bread knife down to the pub, or to the liquor store

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BULLE:

you have no legal reason to bring it there

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|Torg|:

and here I was thinking backups was an improper topic for this channel :P

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Yahooadam:

althoguh if you know how, you can kill with a newspaper so ....

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BULLE:

|Torg|: =D

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: or just your hands

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Yahooadam:

and you have a legitimate reason to carry one of them anywhere really

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: it takes some time though, its just not a single hit

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Yahooadam:

you roll it up, and jab (like a knife) with it

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Yahooadam:

in the right place its a single hit kill

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|Torg|:

not really BULLE a fw nice hits to the frontal part of your head againt the cr=urb

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: i seriously doubt that

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|Torg|:

you can crsh the laryx fairly easy enouhg

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: we use tightly rolled newspapers at full force, when we sparr =D

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Yahooadam:

go talk to a black belt :p

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BULLE:

|Torg|: ah, yes

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: we dont have any belts =(

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|Torg|:

I have a belt, it holds up my pants

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: but any blackbelt just complains, that we cant use weapons and not poke their eyes and not do this and not do that =(

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Yahooadam:

is it black ? :p

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|Torg|:

yea, hey im a black belt

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BULLE:

wee!

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Yahooadam:

lets face it, its pretty easy to kill somone

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Yahooadam:

with or without a weapon in your trousers (pants for u americans)

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: atleast if you get a suprise attack

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BULLE:

and, why wouldnt you in the first place

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Yahooadam:

exactly

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|Torg|:

yea Yahooadam and while were at it we go on Vacation, not Holiday :P

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Yahooadam:

its like door locks, they just serve to keep the innocent innocent

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Yahooadam:

its pretty easy to defeat a door lock if your a criminal ...

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: depends on what door you have

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|Torg|:

remember your door is being held in by a wood frame

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|Torg|:

and oh yes your windows, those are made of glass

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BULLE:

|Torg|: around here its common to have metal frames now

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BULLE:

|Torg|: and no one has windows in them

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|Torg|:

its becomming more common here too

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Yahooadam:

its possible to fake ure identity to get a locksmith out to open the door

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|Torg|:

hell where I live we dont even lock our door

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Yahooadam:

if you wanted

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Yahooadam:

if theres 2 of you, its not actually that hard to kick the door open

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|Torg|:

just use a drill and drill thoguht eh key tumbler

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Yahooadam:

if your strongish

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Yahooadam:

metal doors could be a problem

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: he, a swat team had to use their rams for like 5 minutes before they could get up a door in a flat in this house =D

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Yahooadam:

my dad used to be in the fire brigade

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Yahooadam:

they were trying to get into a room

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BULLE:

mind, sweden has ONE swat team

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BULLE:

in the whole country!

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Yahooadam:

he used his axe on the door, till one of the senior firemen told him to stop

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: hehe

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Yahooadam:

one guy braced himself against the other, gave the door a hard kick

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Yahooadam:

and it came flying out the doorframe

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BULLE:

ye, wooden doorframe

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|Torg|:

A thorough review of 18 studies of the effects of gun availability among potential victims and criminals found that the overall effect on criminal violence was zero.4

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Yahooadam:

if you have a wooden door, or doorframe, your probably at risk

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|Torg|:

In one study, researchers found no significant differences in total robbery rates between cities where guns were widely available and cities where they were not; in cities with fewer firearms, armed robbers simply used other weapons.5

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Yahooadam:

a metal door and metal doorframe is probably alot harder

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|Torg|:

The best available evidence, based on at least eight national surveys of the general adult population, indicates that guns are used about as often for defensive as for criminal purposes.6

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|Torg|:

oh did I meantion im a meber of the NRA?

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

maybe a bit biased then :p

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fryfrog:

so is my dad :)

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fryfrog:

is that from an NRA site or a wiki ?

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fryfrog:

not that either are unbiased/biased

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|Torg|:

a bit? hell im a Texas citizen, I grew up here, have two rifes, a shotdum and three handguns (thats a small amount in Texas btw, my wife has more)

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|Torg|:

and you think im a "bit" biased

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Yahooadam:

lol :p

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Yahooadam:

your wife has more guns

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Yahooadam:

what kind of a man are u :p

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|Torg|:

my wife stoped me from getting my sign I wanted, it says "Screw the dog, beware of Owner"

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

"Tresspassers will be shot, Survivors will be shot again" < i like that one :p

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fryfrog:

my dad has more guns than you can shake a stick at

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fryfrog:

and he is very safe with them, they are all in safes and all but 1 or 2 have their ammo locked up seperatly

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|Torg|:

does he live in Georgia too?

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fryfrog:

yup :)

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|Torg|:

you do know that is where the US CCW laws started, right

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BULLE:

fryfrog: here its illegal not to keep yoru guns properly locked upp in a safe

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fryfrog:

thats a wise law

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BULLE:

ye, atleast keeps kidds away from them etc

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|Torg|:

BULLE if you come on my property, and its an example, I have the legal right to shoot you in Texas

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BULLE:

when parents are not at home

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fryfrog:

the only ones locked with ammo in them (or close enough to use) are in special quick release, combination lockers

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|Torg|:

and it dosnt have to be night either

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Yahooadam:

you wont get a gun liscense unless you have the proper ability to store them

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fryfrog:

i'd agree with that law

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BULLE:

|Torg|: here, you would go to jail for capital murder if you did that

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|Torg|:

in most places you would

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Yahooadam:

your allowed to in florida aswell arent u ?

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fryfrog:

I prefer laws that make it safer to have the weapons, that train people in their safety and use

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fryfrog:

Maybe if more kids grew up around gun safety, they'd be safer in the future

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|Torg|:

you do realise our conceled weapns laws has actualy reduced crime, right?

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fryfrog:

i feel the same about drinking and driving

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BULLE:

|Torg|: here, you actualy have legal right to walk on other peoples land

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fryfrog:

when I lived in CH, you could drink long before you could drive

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|Torg|:

I agree fryfrog

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fryfrog:

here in the states, you can *DIE* in the army before you can legally drink

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BULLE:

|Torg|: there are exceptions, but thast about it

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fryfrog:

you can vote for a president, before you can drink

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BULLE:

|Torg|: you can always pick berries, etc aswell, on any land

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BULLE:

fryfrog: nice

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|Torg|:

my kids growing up knoew what the guns here for, even fired them, knw they went toys and were tough how to load and unload them

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fryfrog:

its retarded :/

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xris:

fryfrog: that unfortunately doesn't seem to help much... :)

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BULLE:

|Torg|: yes, thats not that uncommon here either

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Yahooadam:

over here you can drive before you can drink :p

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fryfrog:

xris: what do you mean?

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|Torg|:

fryfrog and you see who we elect as a result

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BULLE:

|Torg|: for people living out in the rural areas, and with rifles

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|Torg|:

I live in a rural area but the same would be true if I lived in the city

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fryfrog:

In switzerland,when i was there, i was under the impression the legal drinking age was 16 or 18

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|Torg|:

I also dont hunt on my land, its only 15 acres and there are nighbors all arround me

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Yahooadam:

its 18 in the UK

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BULLE:

fryfrog: its 18 in nearly if not all of europe

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fryfrog:

and most people didn't get licenses until 21*ish* (but maybe it was legal at 16 or 18?)

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xris:

fryfrog: just making a bad jab at how allowing non-drinkers to vote doesn't seem to improve their ability to make good decisions.

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Yahooadam:

and in the UK its legal to drive at 17

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fryfrog:

mainly because public transportation almost negates the need for a car

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fryfrog:

xris: oh, i agree

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Yahooadam:

and to smoke and get married at 16

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|Torg|:

what is it in Germany I could swear the high school studnts came in about time they got out of school

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BULLE:

|Torg|: i would say 18 there aswell

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BULLE:

its roughly 18 for everything, in any country

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BULLE:

you turn 18, you become a "full citizen" you can get drunk, buy guns, drive a car etc

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fryfrog:

xris: My personal opinion is that it makes more sense to allow drinking earlier, introduce responsibility, *then* put them in cars/voting/etc

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BULLE:

well, buy rifle etc, if you have the proper permit and licence

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fryfrog:

most of my freshmen and sophmore friends in highschool in CH drank every weekend, they were underage for sure

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BULLE:

fryfrog: around here no one, and i mean NO one waits until 18 to get drunk

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Yahooadam:

maybe its better to brainwash people about drinking while they learn to drive, before they can legally drink

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fryfrog:

but 16 drinking 2 years early is not like 16 drinking 5 years early :/

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fryfrog:

BULLE: yeah, not here either :p

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xris:

fryfrog: seems to work well for germany... good social security, nearly-free college, large green party. :)

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fryfrog:

time to move to germany!

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fryfrog:

MEIN FUHRAR!

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** BULLE likes germany **

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fryfrog:

but spelled right :)

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Yahooadam:

most of the people i know were getting pissed when they turned 12 lol

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BULLE:

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|Torg|:

xris green party, whats that :P

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Yahooadam:

im guessing a polital group that works towards "greenness"

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: ye

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|Torg|:

Yahooadam I know what it is, I was beinf facetious

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Yahooadam:

oh :p

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BULLE:

guess the usa needs a few more class 5 tropical hurricans before they invent the green party aswell

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Yahooadam:

kk :)

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xris:

Ich mag Deutschland.

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xris:

(and I've never even been there)

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|Torg|:

I lived there

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CyberKnet:

anyone use the HDMI output on an nvidia card for myth?

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BULLE:

xris: only problem is that they lack a sense of humor, and have the pants way to far up, nearly upp in their armpits, other then that, germans are nice

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|Torg|:

I livd in Gernay for 4 years without a passport, legally

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BULLE:

|Torg|: and ?

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BULLE:

|Torg|: we can do that in europe

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BULLE:

but oh, you are not european

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xris:

BULLE: doesn't matter. two words: good beer.

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|Torg|:

im a US citizen, we cant, I was in the Army there

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BULLE:

xris: ye, they have good beer, and plenty of it

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Yahooadam:

who wouldnt xris -> http://www.bit-tech.net/news_images/2007/09/g . . . icle_img.jpg

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BULLE:

he, i went to jail instead of army =)

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|Torg|:

Yahooadam that looks to be about right :)

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xris:

Yahooadam: that, too.. but my wife's of swedish descent, so I can't complain.

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BULLE:

xris: she speaks swedish ?

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xris:

no

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xris:

several generations out.

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xris:

she speaks japanese, though.

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Yahooadam:

large beers and large ...... gamings conventions :p

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BULLE:

oh

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|Torg|:

you should see the German army at the ranges, they fire ok untill lunchtime, then the beer truck drives in, can the US solders have some, hell no, but the Germans knock back a few, go back to the range and fire excelent

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xris:

just like I'm blond and of danish/flemish descent, but speak spanish and german.

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BULLE:

CyberKnet: well, japanese is also good, even though swedish is the best

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BULLE:

s/cyberknet/xris/

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CyberKnet:

heh

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BULLE:

xris: the sounds in japanese and swedish are pretty similar though

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|Torg|:

BULLE your kidding

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CyberKnet:

I was like "Japanese hdmi nvidia cards, eh?"

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BULLE:

xris: the languages are very different, but the sounds you use, are pretty darn close

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CyberKnet:

heh

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xris:

BULLE: dunno. try reading some Neruda poetry in spanish some time. melt a girl's heart every time, even if they don't know what it means.

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BULLE:

|Torg|: about what ?

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Yahooadam:

did u guys notice that CyberKnet actually had a valid mythtv question :p

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|Torg|:

about japanese and swedish being similar

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|Torg|:

there two TOTALY diffenrt laguage sources

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BULLE:

|Torg|: no, not the languages, but the sounds used

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Yahooadam:

shocking as that is in this channel :p

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: scary!

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xris:

CyberKnet: mine doesn't have one.. and I wouldn't have anything to plug it into...

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CyberKnet:

Yahooadam: yeah, but I didn't really expect an answer ;)

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Yahooadam:

ha ha :p

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CyberKnet:

Yahooadam: been around this channel long enough to know that much. heh

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|Torg|:

yes I saw his question and no I didnt even know nvidia make a HDMI card

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Yahooadam:

well an HDMI port is very similar to DVI

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BULLE:

CyberKnet: i havent used a hdmi capable nvidia card, but shouldnt it just be to use the hdcp enabled dvi output, and stick an dvi to hdmi converter there ?

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Yahooadam:

if the HDMI port works in linux, it will work in myth

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CyberKnet:

xris: I'm getting something to plug it into on Thursday

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|Torg|:

I have DVI card I use a DVI to HDMI cable, but not a nvidia card with HDMI output

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BULLE:

|Torg|: 8600GTS and higher are REQUIRED to have hdcp on their dvi

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|Torg|:

aint that a bitch, guess im not buybgin one of those

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BULLE:

|Torg|: for 8600GT and lower, its optional, and the manufacturer of the card gets to choose

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CyberKnet:

HDMI is DVI + sound ... so yes, you can electrically convert DVI to HDMI ... but all the available converters I have seen do not bundle the sound in

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Yahooadam:

:o

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Yahooadam:

im sure my 8800GTX doesnt have one

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Yahooadam:

oh wait u said 8600 ... nvm :p

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|Torg|:

I do DVI->HDMI and SPDIF to a reciever

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Yahooadam:

smartest way to do it torg :p

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CyberKnet:

Some of the nvidia cards I have seen have a coaxial sound input

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BULLE:

CyberKnet: you wont get sound in the current generation nvidia cards

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|Torg|:

sorry HVI<->HDMI :)

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|Torg|:

err DVI

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Yahooadam:

unless your TV had a DVI port on it :)

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CyberKnet:

I presume they mix the sound into the output

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BULLE:

CyberKnet: ye, a few cards have a coaxial sound input indeed

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BULLE:

CyberKnet: and yes they do

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Yahooadam:

yes cyberknet

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|Torg|:

use BULLE spdif coax

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|Torg|:

chap ass sig card too

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BULLE:

CyberKnet: but that is kind of crappy, because you cant use coaxial spdif to transport any of the new hd soundformats

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|Torg|:

I think I paid $25 for it

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CyberKnet:

BULLE: All PCI express... I'm waiting until after october to see if an AGP one gets released

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BULLE:

|Torg|: ye, for non hd soundformats that ok i guess

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|Torg|:

no AC3

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|Torg|:

does DTS too

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CyberKnet:

BULLE: I don't have a receiver anyway.

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Yahooadam:

but im assuming that HDCP wont work in linux

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CyberKnet:

BULLE.... just stereo sound for me

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|Torg|:

what do you mean non hd?

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|Torg|:

err HD sound

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Yahooadam:

and probably never will considering the kernals openness

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BULLE:

|Torg|: yes, but not the dolby digital HD and the dts true hd or what they are called

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|Torg|:

yes it does that

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BULLE:

|Torg|: the two new standards from dolby and dts, that are used on hd ( bluerray and hd-dvd ) discs

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|Torg|:

it spcficly does dolby digital HD I know

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|Torg|:

not STS true digital

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CyberKnet:

Anyways, my tv will accept HDMI and then pull the audio from another input, but I'd rather not tie up that input just for that if I don't have to

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Yahooadam:

my amp will do DTS i think :s

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CyberKnet:

thus the interest in people using cards with HDMI output and the coaxial SPDIF input

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CyberKnet:

;)

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BULLE:

|Torg|: sweet, its out of spec then, as any sound hd stream needs to go over hdcp encrypted links

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|Torg|:

if I have to tho ill get another card, its not like that $25 was a waste of money :P

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Yahooadam:

DTS isnt HD only though

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|Torg|:

no BULLE I just downloaded a buch of HD trilers and stuff to play with

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Yahooadam:

and it doesnt have to be encrypted

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|Torg|:

one was in Dolby Digital HD, at least I think it was

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BULLE:

|Torg|: they most likely dont have the hd sound formats, but just normal dts or dolby digital streams

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|Torg|:

my reciver has a nice oragen light (vs the blue one) when it comes on too

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BULLE:

|Torg|: also, player normaly downcoverts to normal dolby digital stream, and sends it over spdif

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|Torg|:

ok, ist 7.1 sorround sound, convince me that sucks and ill change :P

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BULLE:

|Torg|: nah, it doesnt suck at all

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Yahooadam:

7.1 is a waste of time

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|Torg|:

altho I only have 5.1 speakers

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Yahooadam:

plus its a pain to have yet more wires running round ure room

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Yahooadam:

seriously, how are you supposed to hide 4 wires

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|Torg|:

yes I dont want to run more wires

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|Torg|:

and putting speakers about 2 feet from eachother isnt exactly speration you know

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Yahooadam:

lol

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: in the roof ? or down at the floor, in a wire canal ? or under the floor ? or in the wall ?

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Yahooadam:

assuming your house has any ability to do any of that

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|Torg|:

there is some of that directd sound stuff to do 7.1 with one speaker, I dunno if I trust it tho

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: you can put a cable canal on any floor and in any roof

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|Torg|:

up to the cieling down the wall, to twin connectors

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Yahooadam:

in the wall, or wire canal needs them installing

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|Torg|:

one behsing the TV, one to each back speaker

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Yahooadam:

under the floor is possible, with the right cable

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: im thinking of "external ones" its just a plastic tube, the same color as the roof and or the wall

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: or the floor

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Yahooadam:

except u need to rip up your carpet/floorboards

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|Torg|:

my floor is a cement slab, you aint going under it :P

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: you put there, and secures it in the roof/floor

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BULLE:

with just dual side sticky tape or whatever you like

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Yahooadam:

oh u mean trunking ?

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: dunno what its called in english!

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** BULLE dont speak english realy **

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Trunking_Pvc_Index/

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: ye

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Yahooadam:

it doesnt look that good though

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Yahooadam:

it has a WAF of about 0 :p

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Yahooadam:

(Wife Acceptance Factor)

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: just hide it behind furniture, or on top of furniture, or under carpets etc

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|Torg|:

WAF is WHY my wires are up the walls tot he attic

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: it has a very high WAF factor here, i have a big carpet, its good for the sound aswell, and then just have all the wires go under the carpet

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|Torg|:

it USED to be under funature and rugs

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BULLE:

|Torg|: ye, thats also an option

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|Torg|:

putting it in the cielding got a 2x WAF increase I assure you :P

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BULLE:

|Torg|: hehe, i will keep that in mind

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BULLE:

for the time when i want to buy new speakers

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Yahooadam:

well to run it into the loft (or attic for americans) means a strip up the wall, and a hole in the roof

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BULLE:

waaaaargh! it costs way to much, and i go "but we can hide the cables then!"

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Yahooadam:

thats a bit of a stumbling block :p

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|Torg|:

I used monder cable only bczsae I had three rols of it I bought before I knew any better

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|Torg|:

Yahooadam your space betweent eh roof and the cieling is called what?

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Yahooadam:

loft for me

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|Torg|:

how big, tall is yours?

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|Torg|:

and can you get into it?

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Yahooadam:

yeah

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Yahooadam:

and enough to crawl at the edges

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|Torg|:

ok I used a plate and put it with 4 screw down posts in the wall behind the TV

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Yahooadam:

not fun atall

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|Torg|:

ran wire up the wall to the attick (loft) crawl sapce about maybe a meter tall

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|Torg|:

ran it to the other wall, down it and two more doubble post places

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Yahooadam:

how do u put a post in the wall ...

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|Torg|:

the wire for the left back speaker is about 1/3 a meter, the eight back about 4 meters runs along the back wall (behind the sofa)

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|Torg|:

post in the wall? for what?

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Yahooadam:

"4 screw down posts in the wall"

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|Torg|:

nope

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|Torg|:

youe walls, what are they made of?

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Yahooadam:

brick

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|Torg|:

AHHHH mine are drywall

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Yahooadam:

ah :p

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|Torg|:

with wood studs

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Yahooadam:

easier to wire in drywall :p

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|Torg|:

I dunno what you call studs, there the wood parts that hold the dryall

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Yahooadam:

theres a nice big gap to use :p

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Yahooadam:

i think their called studs too

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|Torg|:

so I ran between two studs, and drilled a hole int eh top caps (also wood but a bitch in a loft that was about 120F)

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Yahooadam:

yeah so u ran the wire inside your wall

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|Torg|:

the places are plastic and are atach tothe drywall thats it

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Yahooadam:

then u just need a hole at the tv to let the wire in right

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Yahooadam:

?

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|Torg|:

yes did cat5e as well (and I run gigE over it)

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|Torg|:

behind the TV

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Yahooadam:

yeah i cant do stuff like that >_<

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|Torg|:

place in wall, about 18 inces up (dunno what that is in meters)

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Yahooadam:

the wires here are in a channel, that was chiseled into the brick i think

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|Torg|:

two places really one for speakers, one for ethernet + cable

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Yahooadam:

then plastered over

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|Torg|:

is that typical for your buildings?

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Yahooadam:

dunno, for brick ones yeah

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Yahooadam:

not sure how many bricked houses there are these days though

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|Torg|:

get aluminum trakcs and hand them downt he wall?

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Yahooadam:

i dont think theres a gap

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Yahooadam:

oh

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|Torg|:

surface mount it

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Yahooadam:

no cos u would have to cut a gap in, and replaster

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|Torg|:

gap inplies cutting into brick, a structoral compnonent,. dunno if I would do that

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Yahooadam:

i dunno if theres a channel in the brick, or if its just held on the brick and plastered over

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Yahooadam:

depends how thick the plaster is i guess

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|Torg|:

there is also this surrodun sound that uses guided wave sound to simulate 5.1

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|Torg|:

I duno how good it is I was just reading about them

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Yahooadam:

their so so

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|Torg|:

so you would only have to put in one speaker in front

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Yahooadam:

trouble is they only work for 1 listening position really

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|Torg|:

ahh

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Yahooadam:

you can do it on creative soundcards aswell

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Yahooadam:

atleast u can on mine

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Yahooadam:

my main problem atm is im planning to move my servers outside to a shed

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|Torg|:

then do the rug and furnature thing, worked for me for a year untill the wife complained one too many times while sweaping the floor

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Yahooadam:

as my mum is going a bit crazy :p

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|Torg|:

servers are in my office (behind me now)

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Yahooadam:

theres no free rooms in my house

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Yahooadam:

and a loft gets far too hot

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|Torg|:

frontend is in the livingroom, eliminating two systems, and there accomaning wires(she wanted the cable + power +ethernet gone)

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|Torg|:

to hot, I have a seperate window unit for my office

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|Torg|:

its really just the small bedroom

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Yahooadam:

ha, i wish i had an air condioner :p

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|Torg|:

as fryfrog what summer is to us :)

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|Torg|:

I have 4 seasons here

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|Torg|:

Almost Summer, Summer, Still Summer and Hunting Season

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Yahooadam:

lol

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|Torg|:

right now its Still Summer

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Yahooadam:

my bedroom goes, hot hot boiling hot

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|Torg|:

its 30C outside right now

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Yahooadam:

dang lol

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|Torg|:

(or so google convertd for me)

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|Torg|:

meters to feet. kiometers to miles these im ok with

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Yahooadam:

my rooms 23.4C

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|Torg|:

Celsius to Fahrenheit I have no clue

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Yahooadam:

atm

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Yahooadam:

mainly cos i havent played a game yet today

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Yahooadam:

but it often reaches like 26C

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|Torg|:

when I went to Canada I told them next time the stud American cheklcs in they might want to tell them 30 degrees is too damn hot to keep your room :)

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Yahooadam:

i had to take my 36port network switch out due to the heat :p

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|Torg|:

err stupid

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|Torg|:

ill take Stud tho :)

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Yahooadam:

ha ha :p

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|Torg|:

it will be like this for another month

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kdubya:

i just swapped out a 7600 GS for a 6200 LE, and now everything is slow as hell

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kdubya:

any idea why that might be?

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|Torg|:

then well get a few weeks, maybe two if were lucky in 22–24 range

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Yahooadam:

driver issues ?

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kdubya:

shouldnt they use the same driver?

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|Torg|:

#define slow as hell

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Yahooadam:

i believe u have to re-install it ...

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|Torg|:

and yes I think Yahooadam is correct

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kdubya:

i see

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Yahooadam:

w00t got somthing right :p

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|Torg|:

out of curiosity why did you change it?

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kdubya:

well its slow and it isnt using my modeline anymore

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kdubya:

so i could put the 7600 in my other machine

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kdubya:

that is used for more than myth

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Yahooadam:

i dont think linux has drivers in the kernal for all graphics cards in the driver

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Yahooadam:

when you install the driver it puts the appropriate one in the kernal

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|Torg|:

I *Think* the nvidia driver installed per core

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Yahooadam:

(i believe, could be totally wrong here)

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|Torg|:

just reinstall the drivers

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kdubya:

aight

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|Torg|:

I run a 5900 Ultra in mine

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|Torg|:

plays 1080I fine, even plays 1080I h264 fine

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kdubya:

well it shouldnt even matter should it

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|Torg|:

so I cant see why that 6200 would be a problem

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kdubya:

i have a 5600 x2 in there

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Yahooadam:

i popped a 5200 in my server :p cheapest card i could get :p

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iamben:

ugh xorg 7.3 is pissed that im using nvidia drivers with it

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|Torg|:

pissed? how so?

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kdubya:

it walked out and slammed the door

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|Torg|:

I have to force mine to play nice with my TV, but thats a TV issue not a Nvida one

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iamben:

the new xorg-server ABI is supposedly incompatible but you can force it... but now X is using nearly 100% cpu and dropping frames in myth

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|Torg|:

Yahooadam isnt pissed when you drink too much?

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Yahooadam:

yes :p

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|Torg|:

mine uses about 25% of one of my dual core 3ghz intel chip

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Yahooadam:

rich bitch <_<

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iamben:

this is on SD

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|Torg|:

mythfe uses about another 25–30 on the other core

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|Torg|:

and thats full blwong 1080P h264 on it

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|Torg|:

so I can hardly see how its an issue

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iamben:

are you using xorg-server 1.4?

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|Torg|:

xorg 7.1.1

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kdubya:

so how exactly would i manage to uninstall the nvidia drivers

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iamben:

mine worked great under xorg 7.2, but 7.3 has a new ABI that apparently causes issues with nvidia & ati binary drivers

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|Torg|:

back rev it then

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Yahooadam:

how did u install them kdubya ? and what OS ?

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|Torg|:

if it aint broke, dont upgrade it

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kdubya:

mythdora

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|Torg|:

hmm can we put that in the topic :P

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kdubya:

im downloading fedora 7 now so i can toss it but then i want to watch TV for these two hours!

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iamben:

i already upgraded it, and its having trouble downgrading... im sure i can get it back to normal but that doesnt make it any less annoying in the mean time

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|Torg|:

-ignoreABI ?

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iamben:

yes, im using that option

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|Torg|:

and?

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Yahooadam:

kdubya – how did u install the drivers ? was it done for you or did u use the drivers off the nvidia site ?

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kdubya:

there is script in that that pulls the rpm off of a repository

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iamben:

and that allows me to at least start x now, but performance is horrible

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Yahooadam:

just run it again i think, should remove the old ones and use the new ones

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kdubya:

if i just try and update with yum it tells me a need a newer kernal

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kdubya:

yeah i tried that, didnt work

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|Torg|:

iamben you can try to get the rpms and do it by hand

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|Torg|:

I knwo thats not optimal but it should work

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iamben:

do what by hand?

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|Torg|:

install 7.1 or 7.2

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iamben:

yeah im tryin

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|Torg|:

http://www.rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/fedora/upda . . . c7.i386.html

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|Torg|:

I dunno why RH like sto rember pafcakges

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|Torg|:

is 1.3.0.0 7.x something?

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iamben:

1.3.0.0 is for xorg 7.2

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|Torg|:

grab that, assuming you have an x86 box, and go look at the requires

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|Torg|:

rpm -Uvh should tell you if your missing dependancies

[01:07:53]

|Torg|:

then go get each one and do the same, continue unitll it all installs

[01:07:59]

iamben:

well except that im on gentoo not fedora =)

[01:08:09]

|Torg|:

AHH OK you want debs them

[01:08:18]

|Torg|:

I thought you were wing mythdora, sorry

[01:08:36]

iamben:

nah gentoo uses ebuilds, but its still having some build trouble

[01:08:41]

Yahooadam:

i dont have any idea im afraid kdubya

[01:08:57]

Yahooadam:

i checked google a bit but cant see any help on nvidia drivers and mythdora

[01:09:10]

iamben:

probably because i upgraded several parts of xorg to 7.3 level, and now am trying to downgrade just xorg-server

[01:09:11]

|Torg|:

iamben can I convert you to the darkside and convince you to install knoppmyth :)

[01:10:08]

kdubya:

got them off with yum remove nvidia*

[01:10:16]

iamben:

is knoppmyth actually a livecd, or do you have to install it?

[01:10:20]

kdubya:

it is reinstalling now hopefully that does soemthing

[01:10:25]

Yahooadam:

kk :)

[01:10:31]

kdubya:

iamben, it is a livecd for the frontend

[01:10:35]

kdubya:

you ahve to install it for the backend

[01:10:44]

Yahooadam:

that is expected though ....

[01:10:48]

|Torg|:

in theory, at a high level (seperate recordings etc to a disk, dump the database), install new os, recompile myth to whatever (maybe just keep whatever is on the distro), restore db and recordings

[01:10:52]

Yahooadam:

you couldnt run a backend off of a CD

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|Torg|:

you can actualy install it

[01:11:03]

|Torg|:

its how I started my mythboxes about 2 years ago or so

[01:12:06]

|Torg|:

I culd say I run knoppmyth as about 50% of it still is, but ive upgraded packed instead and compiled so much its closer to a Debian stable box now

[01:12:31]

kdubya:

WORKED

[01:12:38]

kdubya:

now why isnt the damn backend starting up

[01:12:48]

|Torg|:

that knoppmyth cd is still part of my crash recovery plan, and i use it to run distcc on my wifes computer when shes not arround :)

[01:13:03]

|Torg|:

kdubya type mythbackend -v all

[01:13:11]

|Torg|:

A BUNCH of stuff wil go by

[01:13:18]

|Torg|:

your insterted in about the last 5 lines or so

[01:13:27]

|Torg|:

pastebin that

[01:14:57]

kdubya:

some crap about a lock file

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kdubya:

will it explode if i delete it

[01:15:18]

kdubya:

im guessing i just hit the reset button while it was accessing something

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|Torg|:

what lockfile /var/lock/sometng

[01:16:13]

Yahooadam:

its probably a permissions problem ...

[01:16:29]

kdubya:

its /storage/recordings/nfssomethuing

[01:16:35]

kdubya:

im not even using freakin nfs

[01:16:46]

kdubya:

i deleted it and it gave another error

[01:16:49]

kdubya:

goign to pastebin it

[01:16:52]

|Torg|:

its the lockfile so If you did the BE would know whothe storage belonged to

[01:17:16]

|Torg|:

pastebin it but I belive what Yahooadam said is corect (thats 2x now) its a permission problem

[01:17:36]

Yahooadam:

twice in 1 day

[01:17:44]

kdubya:

well let me run it as root

[01:17:44]

Yahooadam:

i think the world is broken

[01:18:05]

|Torg|:

Yahooadam what time is it where you are now?

[01:18:05]

kdubya:

nope

[01:18:17]

kdubya:

failed to bind port 6543

[01:18:24]

Yahooadam:

2:18am

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|Torg|:

is it still running?

[01:18:41]

|Torg|:

ok so its now twice in one day, its one per day for two days :P

[01:18:49]

|Torg|:

err not

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|Torg|:

kdubya when you setup myth what IP address did you tell it to use?

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kdubya:

localhost i assume

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|Torg|:

change that

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|Torg|:

also its stil runnign if it cant bind to the port

[01:20:14]

kdubya:

whats wrong with that

[01:20:20]

kdubya:

oh

[01:20:25]

kdubya:

it was already running?

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|Torg|:

when you expand that or want to add on to it again you wil have issues from that

[01:20:57]

ShiftyPowers:

is there anyway in mythtv to know what capture card relates to Encoder 0 and which one goes with Encoder 1?

[01:21:05]

ShiftyPowers:

one of them isn't working ofr me and i can't figure out which one

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|Torg|:

select * from capturecard

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Yahooadam:

torg, that depends what i was right last

[01:22:56]

Yahooadam:

was it before midnight :p

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|Torg|:

its ok, well count it as 2 anyway :)

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ShiftyPowers:

select *?

[01:23:34]

ShiftyPowers:

sorry torg, is that in mythtv-setup?

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|Torg|:

hell Ive probbly been wrong for about that many times as well

[01:23:44]

|Torg|:

no ShiftyPowers thats a SQL statement

[01:23:52]

ShiftyPowers:

oh

[01:23:55]

ShiftyPowers:

ah

[01:24:05]

ShiftyPowers:

i can go in thru mysqladmin too them

[01:24:07]

ShiftyPowers:

to capturecard

[01:24:08]

ShiftyPowers:

cool

[01:24:24]

kdubya:

WORKS

[01:24:27]

kdubya:

wasnt using localhost

[01:24:32]

kdubya:

my local ip changed

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|Torg|:

kdubya changed? how? are you using DHCP for it?

[01:25:30]

kdubya:

i guess

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|Torg|:

DONT

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kdubya:

haha

[01:25:52]

** Yahooadam loves IPCop's ability to use static DHCP leases **

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|Torg|:

servers have static IP addresses

[01:25:57]

kdubya:

well i know it isnt ideal

[01:26:10]

kdubya:

but making it static required knowing how to do that

[01:26:15]

|Torg|:

its not even easier

[01:26:19]

fryfrog:

any good $50 router can do static dhcp as well

[01:26:21]

kdubya:

well i didnt do anything

[01:26:28]

kdubya:

cant get easier than nothing

[01:26:31]

Yahooadam:

the WRT54G couldnt ...

[01:26:39]

fryfrog:

my WRT54G with dd-wrt can

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Yahooadam:

ah :p

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|Torg|:

ifconfig can do static IPs too you know :P

[01:26:51]

fryfrog:

i'm not surprised the default linksys firmware can't, but it might in later revisions

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Yahooadam:

but can your DD-WRT router handle 1500 bittorent connections :p

[01:27:04]

fryfrog:

yeah, but static dhcp can be easier

[01:27:28]

fryfrog:

Yahooadam: i'm not sure, and i don't do bit torrent. My "limit" of nat connections is 4096 righ tnow, but i've never come close

[01:27:32]

kdubya:

can a 6200LE not use the weird resolution to compensate for overscan

[01:27:33]

|Torg|:

every one of my ystems have staic ip addresses even the non-computer devices

[01:27:36]

|Torg|:

im just anal that way :P

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fryfrog:

when it was at 512, i hit that and it handled it (asside from rejecting more)

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Yahooadam:

lol

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|Torg|:

the only DHCP addresss are for my laptops int eh DMZ

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fryfrog:

dunno why it was set to slow :/

[01:28:06]

fryfrog:

er, set so low

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iamben:

static IPs are ok, but a real solution to the problem is dhcp integrated with dns

[01:28:17]

fryfrog:

dd-wrt does that

[01:28:25]

fryfrog:

ipcop too, afaik

[01:28:32]

fryfrog:

i used to use ipcop, still think its great

[01:28:34]

Yahooadam:

I like my IPCop box, i could have gone DD-WRT but i decided IPCop would be much more fun

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fryfrog:

the WRT54G with dd-wrt was jsut so much smaller

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Yahooadam:

and it does alot more

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Yahooadam:

ah lol ;)

[01:28:52]

kdubya:

whats the deal with the capture cards moving around in /dev/video0–3

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kdubya:

THAT i want to make static

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|Torg|:

BTW guys thanks for telling me what software you run as your firewalls :)

[01:28:59]

fryfrog:

detection order?

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fryfrog:

use udev to make them more static

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Yahooadam:

lol

[01:29:11]

fryfrog:

oznoz!

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|Torg|:

can you give me the versiont too so I can go look up the exploits :P

[01:29:18]

Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

most likely the latest, for both of us lol

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fryfrog:

yar :)

[01:29:38]

Yahooadam:

and if theres a known exploit, they fix it

[01:29:58]

fryfrog:

When I build a campus for my parents and family, I'll use a dedicated ipcop firewall :)

[01:29:58]

Yahooadam:

most exploits are due to users opening ports and stuff, or installing extra programs on

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fryfrog:

that i'm pretty good with

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|Torg|:

Im being facetuius stil tho its not generally a good idea to brodcast what version your using or what package it is

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fryfrog:

the only open ports are 80 and 443

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|Torg|:

remebr mythlogbot GOES put this on a page Google indexes

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fryfrog:

sure, if i were in #warez or #scriptkiddies i'd probably not talk much about it :)

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Yahooadam:

lets face it torg, its probably possible to find out anyway

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|Torg|:

not if you dont reply to any port

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kdubya:

heh

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|Torg|:

its harder

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kdubya:

my OSD shrunk too

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|Torg|:

fryfrog your external facing port listend and tunnels though HTTP and HTTPS on 80 and 443?

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iamben:

if you are leet enough to hack a system w/ the latest kernel & latest openssh & latest of every running service, then you don't need to know versions

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Yahooadam:

well my firewall logged 2137 attempts to break in yesterday, which is a bit low cos im not using bittorent atm

[01:32:11]

fryfrog:

i'm not sure what you mean, but i have a webserver running so port 80 is forwarded

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|Torg|:

right was I was getting to is why do you run it on port 80

[01:32:43]

fryfrog:

oh, cause that be da web server port :)

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|Torg|:

I woudnt run one at all but if your gogin to why not run it on port 90 so things like sutoscript dont pick it up

[01:32:51]

fryfrog:

who wants to visit fryfrog.com:8000?

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|Torg|:

you run fryfrog.com from home?

[01:33:12]

fryfrog:

ruht roh!

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kdubya:

HAX

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Yahooadam:

lets face it, who wants to visit fryfrog.com

[01:33:17]

fryfrog:

yeah, i'm a cheap bastard

[01:33:21]

fryfrog:

exactly!

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|Torg|:

is that box its running on its own system?

[01:33:23]

fryfrog:

only my mom :)

[01:33:35]

fryfrog:

nope, i think we've talked about it before

[01:33:39]

fryfrog:

it is my "linux box" :)

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fryfrog:

server thing

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kdubya:

you must be getting hammered by the three of us

[01:33:48]

kdubya:

its slow as hell

[01:33:53]

jblack:

Four

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fryfrog:

yeah, it aint fast :)

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|Torg|:

dude get another firewall and at LEAST put that thing in a DMZ

[01:34:07]

kdubya:

why be paranoid

[01:34:08]

jblack:

I can't get a connection at all

[01:34:13]

kdubya:

more effort than its worth

[01:34:13]

Yahooadam:

lol

[01:34:22]

fryfrog:

well, i know its up because i'm on irc from it :/

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|Torg|:

fryfrog only has pictures of half naked ladies from the last dragoncon there

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Yahooadam:

DDoS attack with 5 people – w00t

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kdubya:

ooh asian chicks

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|Torg|:

its not like everyne wahts to run and see all the pictures :P

[01:34:43]

kdubya:

i do

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jblack:

When you said that you're a cheap bastard, did that mean you're using dialup?

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|Torg|:

oh yea kdubya I forgot abotu those

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fryfrog:

loads up for me (slowly) :)

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Yahooadam:

While trying to retrieve the URL: http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/v/MaryAnn-Donnie . . . 007/Zombies/ The following error was encountered: Zero Sized Reply

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fryfrog:

weird, lemme look in apache logs

[01:35:16]

kdubya:

heh, you are on it and it loads slowly?

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jblack:

My fault. I went to port 8080 and he's dropping packets. Shame shame.

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|Torg|:

Yahooadam is indexing your pixtures fryfrog :P

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fryfrog:

yar, from work

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varun0:

has anyone had problems seeking within an mkv file? When I try and ff, it says "Cannot seek in this file..000 ct: -0.000 100/100 49% 1% 15.9% 0 0"

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Yahooadam:

Generated Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:35:09 GMT by KosMos.mydomain (squid/2.6.STABLE13)

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Yahooadam:

i wonder if its my firewall ...

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kdubya:

BOOO

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Yahooadam:

na its your site clearly :p

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kdubya:

frontend has crashed twice in the last 5 minutes

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fryfrog:

nothing in error log about the zero reply, sorry

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Yahooadam:

weird

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Yahooadam:

random pics work fine

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fryfrog:

i'm sure its the site/server, slow upload

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Yahooadam:

recent pics dont work

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Yahooadam:

While trying to retrieve the URL: http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/wp-gallery2.php The following error was encountered: Zero Sized Reply

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Yahooadam:

lol :p

[01:37:37]

Yahooadam:

gallery is broked :p

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|Torg|:

loads fine for me

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|Torg|:

you sure that inter atlantic link isnt fubard again?

[01:38:54]

Yahooadam:

probably

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Yahooadam:

dunno why 1/2 the site works ...

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|Torg|:

nope its failing for me now

[01:39:44]

fryfrog:

is it a wordpress wrapped error?

[01:39:47]

|Torg|:

fryfrog you runing mythfilldatabase now?

[01:39:48]

fryfrog:

or is it one returned by aapche?

[01:39:53]

fryfrog:

OHH

[01:39:54]

fryfrog:

xfs_fsr

[01:40:06]

fryfrog:

well, that shouldn't really be it

[01:40:08]

|Torg|:

its not an error

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fryfrog:

had a 1.5 load average, which isn't that high for 2 cpu

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fryfrog:

i stopped it

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|Torg|:

its a no response, the return packet has no bytes to it

[01:40:27]

fryfrog:

when did the errors come?

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|Torg|:

2 cpu or 2 core?

[01:40:31]

fryfrog:

just browsing around randomly?

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fryfrog:

2 cpu, with lame HT :p

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|Torg|:

I was joking with Yahooadam and thogh what they hell go look

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fryfrog:

old xeon 2.4ghz from 1984

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fryfrog:

occasionaly i get totally blank returns :(

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fryfrog:

er, like right now

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|Torg|:

yes like now

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|Torg|:

anyhtig I click on the front page is blank

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fryfrog:

try now?

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Yahooadam:

yeah thats a zero sized reply i think

[01:41:55]

fryfrog:

apache reloaded

[01:41:58]

fryfrog:

ahhhhhhhh

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|Torg|:

yea its working

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Yahooadam:

its just my firewall use squid which gives an error ;)

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|Torg|:

yes Yahooadam same thing

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Yahooadam:

wheras you lot will just get it loaded as nothing

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Yahooadam:

gallery is working now :)

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fryfrog:

bestest part: http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/v/MaryAnn-Donnie . . . alingLadies/

[01:42:59]

fryfrog:

unfortunatly, i think one or two are only appealing due to nudity :)

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Yahooadam:

lol

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|Torg|:

yea thats the ones :)

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fryfrog:

i think the white painted chick is a butterface

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fryfrog:

i mean, look at the grimace in all those pictures!

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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|Torg|:

fryfrog you play warcrack and evercrack?

[01:43:43]

Yahooadam:

so where did this all happen fryfrog ... and how do i get there :p

[01:43:44]

fryfrog:

used to

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fryfrog:

Atlanta, GA has Dragon*Con every labour day weekend

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fryfrog:

its a lot of fun, this is my second year going

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Yahooadam:

are you the guy in the "hurley" t-shirt ?

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fryfrog:

no, i'm not in most of the pictures

[01:45:02]

fryfrog:

lemme find one of me

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kdubya:

thats the one i want

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fryfrog:

http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/tag/donnie

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kdubya:

screw the ladies

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fryfrog:

i forgot i went and tagged shit :)

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|Torg|:

kdubya he tried, all they would do is let him take pictures :P

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Yahooadam:

:o

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** Yahooadam is disturbed **

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CyberKnet:

you think? :)

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Yahooadam:

you the one in the black shirt or the "red" shirt

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kdubya:

what is wrong with people that wear costumes

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Yahooadam:

http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/v/MaryAnn-Donnie . . . 167.JPG.html

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Yahooadam:

LOL

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Yahooadam:

tropper elvis gropes rockets :p

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fryfrog:

"spreadthered" shirt was me

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|Torg|:

yea whats that all about fryfrog?

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fryfrog:

just some stupid code thing

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fryfrog:

s/code/coke

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Yahooadam:

http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/v/Jo/Family/July . . . 093.jpg.html

[01:48:40]

** Yahooadam is distrubed again **

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fryfrog:

my mom works for coke, so i get all sorts of funky shirts and stuff

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|Torg|:

http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/v/MaryAnn-Donnie . . . 611.JPG.html

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fryfrog:

do you recognize the costume? or just find it appealing?

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

his mom works for coke

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Yahooadam:

lol

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|Torg|:

I think I reaconiuse the lady

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fryfrog:

there is a reasonably large amount of costumes i don't know

[01:49:45]

fryfrog:

really, the *chick*?

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|Torg|:

really, the chick

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fryfrog:

crazy :)

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Yahooadam:

http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/v/MaryAnn-Donnie . . . 130.JPG.html

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|Torg|:

I was goign to tel you that last time but forgot to

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fryfrog:

my wife made the tutu for that guy :)

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Yahooadam:

very worrying pic considering your hand is under the cover

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fryfrog:

how do you know her?

[01:50:36]

fryfrog:

ahhah

[01:50:42]

fryfrog:

there is a pic of me *peeing* in there somewhere

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|Torg|:

you dont wana know fryfrog :P

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Yahooadam:

http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/v/Jo/Family/X-Ma . . . 78_.jpg.html

[01:51:01]

fryfrog:

ahahhaha

[01:51:07]

Yahooadam:

apparently she is as worried as me :p

[01:51:24]

iamben:

i fixed teh xorg!

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|Torg|:

cool, what did you do?

[01:51:45]

kdubya:

now fix my frontend crashing if i enable opengl vsync

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Yahooadam:

i was gonna ask if shes your wife, but this answered it http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/v/MaryAnn-Donnie . . . 028.CR2.html

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|Torg|:

his wifes pictures are all over those albums

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iamben:

well, when i sync'd my repositories, xorg 7.3 had JUST been added and they hadnt finished fixing the deps on the old xorg 7.2 (to depend explicitly on older components), so i sync'd again and its pulling all the older packages in like it should

[01:52:57]

fryfrog:

yar, that do be her :)

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Yahooadam:

http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/v/MaryAnn-Donnie . . . 161.CR2.html

[01:52:57]

Yahooadam:

and your yelling "oi, turn up the fan" in that one :p

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fryfrog:

mmm, those fans were a wonderful addition to the wedding :)

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Yahooadam:

lol

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|Torg|:

Yahooadam rember the almost summer, summer and still summer?

[01:53:53]

fryfrog:

i need to put another http monitor into nagios to catch gallery2 problems :(

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|Torg|:

Atlanta, where fryfrog lives gets about the same weatehr as I do in Dallas

[01:54:19]

|Torg|:

they call it Hotlanta

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fryfrog:

it is probably eaccelerator doing it

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fryfrog:

yar, the wedding was at my parents lake house on july 1

[01:54:37]

fryfrog:

it was quite warm

[01:54:45]

fryfrog:

but a casual wedding with short sleeves and such

[01:54:50]

fryfrog:

so it was not the worst in the world

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Yahooadam:

:)

[01:54:55]

fryfrog:

also, bbq for reception / dinner ;)

[01:55:20]

fryfrog:

i enjoyed my wedding, i'm not sure how many people can say the same

[01:55:36]

fryfrog:

my sister's was okay too, but that is cause i was playing with all the kids 85% of it :)

[01:55:38]

Yahooadam:

http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/v/MaryAnn-Donnie . . . s/PoisonIvy/

[01:55:38]

Yahooadam:

why did she get an entire album ? :p

[01:55:49]

fryfrog:

cause there were a lot of pictures of her

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fryfrog:

way more than any others

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kdubya:

rephrase

[01:56:04]

kdubya:

why are there a lot of pictures of her

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fryfrog:

uh, skimmy outfit?

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Yahooadam:

lol :p

[01:56:27]

fryfrog:

i wish there were more of her and less of the painted white chick

[01:56:32]

fryfrog:

or maybe more of the tiger girl

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Yahooadam:

lol

[01:56:38]

fryfrog:

she was nicely painted

[01:56:46]

fryfrog:

sure made you feel like a pedo snapping pics though :/

[01:56:46]

Yahooadam:

well i guess this pic sums up fryfrogs tastes http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/v/MaryAnn-Donnie . . . 572.JPG.html

[01:56:53]

fryfrog:

she probably could have snuck into a middle school

[01:57:21]

fryfrog:

these are also pictures from 4–5 other people's camera

[01:57:39]

fryfrog:

that one was not mine

[01:57:51]

Yahooadam:

suuuure

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fryfrog:

I have an Olympus 5050Z, but mostly was using a friends Canon D350

[01:57:56]

Yahooadam:

"somone else did it"

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fryfrog:

oh, there are plenty shots of boobs from meh :)

[01:58:42]

fryfrog:

http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/v/MaryAnn-Donnie . . . 835.JPG.html

[01:58:47]

fryfrog:

for instance, i took that one

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Yahooadam:

thats not *quite* as obvious though :p

[01:59:33]

fryfrog:

i *wish* i had seen Busti-chu http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/v/MaryAnn-Donnie . . . 302.JPG.html :)

[01:59:51]

fryfrog:

Yahooadam: true, but the D350 is a 8Mp cam, so i can always crop/zoom almost as much as i want

[01:59:56]

Yahooadam:

:p

[02:00:05]

Yahooadam:

shes not much in the face department

[02:00:10]

Yahooadam:

i guess she makes up for it elsewhere :p

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fryfrog:

I don't see any reason to *just* zoom in on tits when you can lose so much and still come away with a good shot

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fryfrog:

still, busti-chu... a reasonably thoughtful outfit

[02:00:46]

fryfrog:

most of the girls at this huge dork fest aren't model material

[02:00:55]

fryfrog:

but i'd rather have one of them anyway :p

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|Torg|:

hey fryfrog its not like your buying it, more like renting it :P

[02:01:18]

Yahooadam:

?

[02:01:23]

fryfrog:

buying... what?

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|Torg|:

<fryfrog> most of the girls at this huge dork fest aren't model material

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Yahooadam:

lol

[02:01:53]

fryfrog:

anyway, time to go home :)

[02:01:54]

|Torg|:

NOW you have standards?

[02:01:58]

fryfrog:

maybe i'll figure that out on the way home :)

[02:02:07]

Yahooadam:

theres plenty of good free stuff out there :p

[02:02:12]

doctormo:

how can I get scheduals to work?

[02:02:19]

fryfrog:

doctormo: just do it!

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|Torg|:

schedulesdirect

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doctormo:

Torg: we just get a unable to find host

[02:02:58]

doctormo:

I thought that service was being removed anyway

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|Torg|:

yes about 2 weeks ago

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Yahooadam:

no Zap2IT was and HAS been removed

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doctormo:

datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com – ah thats the url I got

[02:03:32]

Yahooadam:

http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/v/MaryAnn-Donnie . . . 134.CR2.html – almost looks like shes pulling away :p

[02:03:35]

doctormo:

can you give me the new one?

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|Torg|:

yes zap2it had been cut off

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Yahooadam:

http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/v/MaryAnn-Donnie . . . 051.CR2.html and then she saw your face :p

[02:03:47]

|Torg|:

there IS NO new one

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|Torg|:

https://www.schedulesdirect.org/signup

[02:05:13]

Yahooadam:

i wish SD would drop the price already

[02:05:21]

Yahooadam:

would make reccomending them sooo much easier

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xris:

|Torg|: Z2L was *supposed* to leave a page up to redirect people to SD, but then someone turned off their DNS instead, and our contact couldn't get it put back.

[02:05:33]

|Torg|:

I wish Sd would give me comission on how many people I send there :P

[02:05:40]

Yahooadam:

:p

[02:05:47]

Yahooadam:

well it is the only game in town ...

[02:05:53]

Yahooadam:

not much else to reccomend

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xris:

Yahooadam: we're trying to organize an announcement about that kind of stuff for next monday (after the new privacy policy acceptance has run its course)

[02:05:57]

|Torg|:

xris I think thye unrouted the whole thing, it was down last monday

[02:06:08]

xris:

|Torg|: yeah. they removed the dns entry, among other things.

[02:06:37]

|Torg|:

I codunt even ping or trace to it, it stopped at the boarder rotuer

[02:06:43]

xris:

but mythtv.org/etc has it covered pretty we..

[02:06:44]

xris:

well

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doctormo:

Torg: I'm unable to find prices and I'm non to happy about having to pay for this data

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xris:

doctormo: you and the rest of us...

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|Torg|:

id been using Sd for about 2 weeks at that time, so it was mostly enecdotal informaiton anyway

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|Torg|:

doctormo its just $15

[02:07:24]

doctormo:

Torg: for ever?

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** xris wonders if his 80+ hours of work-for-free-on-the-SD-website are worth comparing to a measly $15 **

[02:07:40]

|Torg|:

for 3 months until the pricing can be stablised, goal is $20 a year

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Yahooadam:

no their aiming for $20/yr

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|Torg|:

still its $15 its not like its allot of money

[02:08:05]

|Torg|:

hell i spent more then that at lunch today

[02:08:18]

** xris had leftovers... but tasty ones. **

[02:08:19]

Yahooadam:

rich bitch :p

[02:08:22]

Yahooadam:

buying lunch

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|Torg|:

yes xris

[02:08:43]

|Torg|:

if you want to bitch about $15 for three months by all menas xris is one of the people who helped with the code

[02:08:55]

|Torg|:

go ask him if his time was worth your $15

[02:08:59]

xris:

if by "helped" you mean "wrote it"

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|Torg|:

go on, ill just stand back ehre and watch

[02:09:10]

xris:

but it's no biggie.

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|Torg|:

I thoguth rmedan id too

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MaxeyPad:

would anyone care to share with me specifications for a mythtv you are running that is capable of playing back the highest quality hdtv feeds (ie mkv, raw ts etc) and blueray in a high res. I'm looking for exact hardware recipes that work really well

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xris:

we won't be dropping the price any time soon. Need to figure out a way to do that slowly so that people don't get upset if they pay $15/qtr and find out we drop the price to $20/year the next day.

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|Torg|:

MaxeyPad 3 boxes, one P4 3GHz as the FE with 2G of ram

[02:09:59]

|Torg|:

xris LEAVE IT

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Yahooadam:

its hard to say that $60/yr is good value when the aim is $20/yr

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|Torg|:

leave it at $15 a month, please do

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|Torg|:

$60 a year is FINE

[02:10:25]

xris:

MaxeyPad: you'll get kicked/banned for talking about downloaded movies and copyright infringing activities in here... and I don't know if there are any linux drivers for hddvd/blueray stuff yet.

[02:10:35]

|Torg|:

less people sign up more bandwidth for me :P

[02:10:50]

Yahooadam:

lol

[02:10:54]

xris:

but I can play 1080i recorded mpeg2 stuff just fine on my 2.8Ghz pentium D or 1.8Ghz core2duo.

[02:11:20]

xris:

|Torg|: the more people who sign up, the better services we can offer in the future...

[02:11:35]

Yahooadam:

bout time to graze (find somthing to eat) back later :)

[02:12:16]

|Torg|:

xris I see it like the tollway, I pay money to drive on it every day becasue there (well in theory) are less people on it then the regular freeways

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doctormo:

xris: what is your position on distrobution of the schedual data peer to peer once someone has downloaded from you guys?

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|Torg|:

so if you left it at $15 every 3 months, hell sell me $50 /year or something

[02:12:40]

xris:

once we hit a certain undisclosed number we'll be able to start hosting the data on our own servers and maybe offer much-cheaper limited-access accounts, etc.. (depends on licensing arrangements with TMS)

[02:12:44]

|Torg|:

it woudlnt bother me one tiny little bit

[02:13:09]

xris:

doctormo: all of that is laid out pretty clearly in the SA subscriber agreement

[02:13:18]

|Torg|:

xris how about premium accounts?

[02:13:36]

|Torg|:

and doctormo, thats a NONO

[02:13:38]

xris:

|Torg|: you mean "you give us more money, and don't get anything in return"? We'll do those.

[02:14:01]

|Torg|:

naa im thinkinh lik dedicated server hardware for premium accounts

[02:14:22]

xris:

doctormo: fyi, as an SD board member who was involved in writing them, I can't actually comment directly on any of those documents (lawyers told us not to)

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blackest:

xris: initial startup costs are a valid reason for charging more initially.

[02:14:31]

|Torg|:

name on the premium donor list :P

[02:14:34]

doctormo:

Hmm, it does seem that the schedual data holds projects like mythtv to ransom

[02:15:02]

|Torg|:

doctormo do you want schedule data? go type it in, get the news papaer and use phpmyadmin to load it

[02:15:03]

Beirdo:

xris: just telling him to read them is all you should need to do anyways :)

[02:15:07]

Yahooadam:

doctormo – you werent allowed to distribute Z2I data by P2P, its people like you DOING it that killed the free project

[02:15:15]

|Torg|:

or if yuo prefer use EIT, youll get 3 days tops if your lucky

[02:15:34]

iamben:

|Torg|: couldnt you just set your cron job for mythfilldatabase to start a couple of minutes earlier if you need the data asap? =)

[02:15:34]

xris:

blackest: yup. which is why we haven't just gone out and announced price drops yet (well, that and the lack of a privacy policy prevents us from discussing ANY of those sort of numbers yet) — we're not sure how much it'll cost us to set up infrastructure, file for federal nonprofit status, etc.

[02:15:50]

doctormo:

Yahooadam: I beg your pardon, how dare you point that finger at me when I never even downloaded the cap2it data for personal use let alone distrobuted it

[02:15:52]

Yahooadam:

well actually people charging for the free data is what really killed it, but it all added up

[02:15:55]

blackest:

Actually isn't the real problem how friendly the company supplying to shedules direct is

[02:16:04]

xris:

Yahooadam: sort of. Z2L was killed mostly by commercial products abusing the free service.

[02:16:20]

doctormo:

xris: I signed up, now what? it doesn't seem to tell you how to set things up

[02:16:21]

Yahooadam:

yes but people like you, who wanted to do it (and the people who actually did it therefore)

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|Torg|:

xris can you say who those were?

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Beirdo:

Yahooadam, no need to get personal

[02:16:39]

|Torg|:

Ive been trying to guess what companies actualy killed Z2I

[02:16:44]

Yahooadam:

sorry that i might have pointed the finger, but people like that really get on my nerves

[02:16:54]

doctormo:

Yahooadam: Now you dare tell me what I want to do. can a man not ask a question with out some oik presuming what he wants to do

[02:16:59]

iamben:

Yahooadam: what, cheapasses? =)

[02:17:10]

Beirdo:

doctormo, take a chill pill :)

[02:17:14]

Yahooadam:

killing a free project by abusing it, therefore ruining it for everyone else, its just lame

[02:17:27]

Beirdo:

we don't need a flame war in here tonight, please, people.

[02:17:32]

Beirdo:

save that for the next election

[02:17:38]

doctormo:

Yahooadam: fine, what ever just don't you point any fingers at me

[02:17:41]

blackest:

I mean presumably you are going to have to publish yearly accounts, surely schedules directs suppliers will charge higher fees if they see a lot of money going into schedules direct?

[02:17:42]

Beirdo:

oops, did I say that out loud?

[02:17:44]

xris:

|Torg|: no, TMS wouldn't release a list because it might hinder negotiations. some users in the old Z2L forums were guessing about things, but those are now gone.

[02:18:14]

Beirdo:

blackest, SD is a non-profit.

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Yahooadam:

doctormo – plus doing what you just said is trying to get people free listings, which kinda ruins the idea of SD being a non profit, and increases the price for everyone else

[02:18:22]

xris:

doctormo: after setting up your listings options at schedulesdirect.org, you go into mythtv-setup and tell it to use schedules direct for your listings.

[02:18:26]

Beirdo:

money in = money out (approximately)

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|Torg|:

blackest a non profit, or more eaxclty a not for proit company is not required to release their books

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GreyFoxx:

doctormo: Assuming you have updated to 0.20.2 or are running svn head

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|Torg|:

about the only peopel who need to see them, or who want to rather, would be donors to the non profit

[02:19:15]

|Torg|:

and no its not money in = money out

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xris:

|Torg|: actually, as a nonprofit, we *will* have to release at least general financial info to the public when we file our taxes.

[02:19:21]

Beirdo:

|Torg|, some are... especially if they are non-profit federally... The IRS requires filings from some, and those are publically visible

[02:19:28]

|Torg|:

its a common miscomceptin that a non profit can not make profit

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blackest:

ah so ... darn i forget the data suppliers name will not see things like numbers of users and money in

[02:19:35]

Beirdo:

unless you are a church, basically

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GreyFoxx:

blackest: Currently the supplier is tms

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|Torg|:

umm Beirdo I sit on the board of a 501(c)3, we dont relase the books

[02:20:11]

|Torg|:

and were not a religious group

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GreyFoxx:

same company that provided zap2it

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Beirdo:

if you filed statements to the IRS, you did

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blackest:

are there any assurances in place that tms will not jack up prices if this project is successful

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|Torg|:

yes but not generaly posted and not to our members

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doctormo:

GreyFoxx: I'm using ubuntu meta package

[02:21:18]

|Torg|:

we publish specifc events P&L but not overall books

[02:21:20]

Beirdo:

blackest, are there any assurances that the gas price won't increase again?

[02:21:43]

Beirdo:

how can SD assure us that TMS won't increase the cost at a later date?

[02:21:44]

Yahooadam:

"(3:19:41 AM) |Torg|: its a common miscomceptin that a non profit can not make profit" :O ?

[02:21:50]

GreyFoxx:

blackest: not really no

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doctormo:

I was just curious if there was a way to have scheduals that don't require licenses ecetera

[02:22:15]

GreyFoxx:

doctormo: I don't know what versions they provide but you will want 0.20.2 or newer

[02:22:20]

Yahooadam:

if you can get the schedules from the tv companys with no liscence, yes it would be possible

[02:22:31]

Yahooadam:

however, good luck with that ;)

[02:22:41]

|Torg|:

basicly all a non profit cant do is make profit outside ther mission, anything inside is non taxed, anything outside is taxed just like any other corporation

[02:22:42]

Agrajag-:

doctormo: .au have a community based scheduling system, see oztivo

[02:22:52]

doctormo:

Yahooadam: luck seems to be something the FOSS world has in abundence

[02:23:08]

xris:

|Torg|: not posted, but publicly available upon request.

[02:23:12]

doctormo:

xris: so the user id is the email address or some other thing?

[02:23:18]

xris:

doctormo: for now, yeah.

[02:23:25]

|Torg|:

yes xris

[02:23:34]

blackest:

I would hope that tms would at least agree to fee's for say 12 months data

[02:23:34]

|Torg|:

althou we never had someone ask for ours :)

[02:24:07]

xris:

I'll be adding a separate userid field sometime in the next week or two since enough people asked for it, and one of our supported apps doesn't allow @ or . in the login field (and it's abandonware, so no one can find the author)

[02:24:19]

Yahooadam:

i want it torg :p

[02:24:19]

xris:

blackest: that's what contracts are for

[02:24:20]

Yahooadam:

send me it :p

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|Torg|:

send me, or more specifly our tresurer a written statement as to why you want them

[02:24:56]

doctormo:

xris: it seems to be trying to get stuff from zip2it each time I try and configure DataDirect

[02:24:57]

Yahooadam:

bah

[02:25:04]

Yahooadam:

thats more effort for me then it is for u :p

[02:25:05]

xris:

doctormo: yes, it does.

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Yahooadam:

therefore not worth it :p

[02:25:21]

xris:

Zap2it owned by TMS, which is who SD licenses our data from.

[02:25:26]

doctormo:

Resolving datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com... failed: Name or service not known

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|Torg|:

bsaicly we dont have to give them to you just becase you ask, you have to have a reason to see them

[02:25:44]

Yahooadam:

ah kk :)

[02:25:44]

xris:

not to be confused with Zap2it Labs, which is the organization that used to offer free data. (think of it as a separate subsidiary of TMS)

[02:25:46]

|Torg|:

doctormo you havnt been paying attention

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doctormo:

Something I'm missing obviously

[02:25:55]

GreyFoxx:

doctormo: Sounds like the version you are running is not new ewnough cause the hostname would be different

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Yahooadam:

and im assuming that "cos im nosy" isnt a good excuse :p

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Yahooadam:

reason #

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doctormo:

GreyFoxx: Obviously, but I'd rather not install a new version for a hostname

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|Torg|:

zap2it was turnd off, as of last week was suposed to happen on the 1st they waited until monday

[02:26:27]

GreyFoxx:

doctormo: More than just a hostname changged

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doctormo:

*sigh* so what is the new hostname and where is the config file

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xris:

doctormo: it's more than just a hostname. bits of the data formats changed (which is why the hostname was hard-coded)

[02:26:45]

doctormo:

xris: forgive me if I feel angry right now

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kdubya:

update myth

[02:26:46]

GreyFoxx:

a couple field sizes, table sizes and a new repeat indicator

[02:26:46]

|Torg|:

I sorta think someone say "hey didnt you turn that offf... No, was I SUPOSED TO"

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kdubya:

its fun

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** Beirdo hands xris a trout **

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xris:

you need MythTV .20.2 or svn trunk... that's all well-covered in the mythtv documentation, wiki and a post on mythtv.org

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doctormo:

updating mythtv on ubuntu is not easy

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kdubya:

its not?

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|Torg|:

its not hard either

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xris:

huh? `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade` should usually do the trick

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kdubya:

cant you just grab it from a repository

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GreyFoxx:

doctormo: If you absolutely must stay at an earlier version you could change to use a new enough xmltv, then write a perl script to process the output and then use the -manual flag to import into mythfilldatabase

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx I coula swarn I saw external xmltv scripts already made

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doctormo:

xris: well well, isn't this odd

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xris:

doctormo: there was nothing the mythtv devs or SD people could do to avoid the need to upgrade, except maybe 3 years of foresight.

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kdubya:

there are scripts

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kdubya:

but i dont see why you wouldnt upgrade

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blackest:

xris: i am just being cynical, SD is doing a lot of work essentially for free for TMS, (TMS gets to see the demand for the service and what people will pay for it), I hope there is enough in place to protect SD and its users.

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** xris likes 20/20 hindsight, but it's not particularly useful **

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: something for processing xmltv output for use with older versions? Doesn'ty suprise me. I figured someone would eventually do it

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xris:

blackest: we have good lawyers

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|Torg|:

doctormo I assue you this isnt an attack aimed at you, its not a consiracy to steal your tv or schedules and SD simply reacted to give you an alternative that without them you would have nothing

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doctormo:

I'm using 0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu6 and it's still going to zap2it

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GreyFoxx:

And by the time that comes about we'll hopefully be running on our own machines

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GreyFoxx:

doctormo: That's way too old

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GreyFoxx:

if it's really from Jan 22 2007

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doctormo:

That is the newest version from Feisty Fawn

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iamben:

|Torg|: i think your keyboard needs new batteries

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GreyFoxx:

I find that suprising since there are so many ubuntu myth users. But then I don't use ubuntu to really follow how often they update packages

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|Torg|:

so xris any chance you can let us know when the new hardware is planned for?

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Kazan|AFK:

[21:26] <doctormo> updating mythtv on ubuntu is not easy <=== good reason not to use ubuntu and/or premade packages

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doctormo:

Kazan|AFK: It's a bit too late for giving me distro opinions

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xris:

|Torg|: new hardware?

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|Torg|:

you said once you get to a certain number of users you were moving to your own hardware

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|Torg|:

or did I misinterpret what you said?

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xris:

oh. no sooner than December

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Beirdo:

Merry Christmas... now install this machine

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Beirdo:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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blackest:

It's not long before gutsy is released, I would assume myth will be updated then.

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doctormo:

So do I take it no one is able to help me get some newer debs?

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Slyboots:

What the hell.. My mythbox seems to be.. always recording now?

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xris:

We're still getting quite a few signups daily, so we need to wait for those numbers to stabilize (presumably somewhere around the end of the month) before we even start thinking about that. It would completely change our cost structure, both for colo/hardware as well as to TMS (different cost for using Zap2it vs hosting the data ourselves)

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Slyboots:

Even when I dont tell it to, my "View recording" page is full of crap, even from channel surfing

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Beirdo:

doctormo, you might be able to get them from gutsy

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|Torg|:

doctormo would you like my Debian debs I made for myslef? im pretty sure it wont work for you and maybe even crash your system

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GreyFoxx:

doctormo: I always compile from source nor use ubuntu so I wouldn't be much help with that

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Beirdo:

or just compile your own from SVN checkout

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xris:

Slyboots: mythtv always records.. you just need to filter out the "live tv" stuff from your recordings page.

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** xris forgets where that setting is, though. **

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|Torg|:

compling myth isnt hard, painfull maybe, but not diffcult

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doctormo:

*sigh* well lets be having the svn then

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iamben:

do you really have to wait for a whole new ubuntu version before a newer mythtv is available? don't they update their repos?

[02:36:58]

Beirdo:

you can always tell it to check out exactly 0.20.2

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xris:

doctormo: not that I like to do your work for you, but it took me about 15 seconds in google to find this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=536555

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xris:

second link when searching for "feisty ubuntu mythtv schedules-direct"

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doctormo:

xris: sometimes google is my enemy, I have been using it all this time we have been chatting

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xris:

doctormo: that much I can understand. it's a matter of picking the correct terms to search for. I probably got lucky with those.

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Beirdo:

oh, I didn't know they had -proposed repos too

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Beirdo:

nice

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blackest:

has anyone done anything with extracting subtitles in mythtv? Most of my recordings contain them, I was wondering if i could extract them as I can with a DVD and replace them with an alternative.

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Slyboots:

So.. how do I filter the results?\

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GreyFoxx:

Slyboots: There is a setting in the frontend where you tell it what the default filter in Watch recordings should show. For some reason I thought that it didnt include livetv by default

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** Slyboots pokes and prods **

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iamben:

it doesnt show by default

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|Torg|:

if its default it dosnt show on mine

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GreyFoxx:

Slyboots: Frontend -> Setup -> TV Settings -> Playback There is a settingon apage that says ""Show LiveTV recordings when using All Programs Filter". And there is a "Default Group filter to Apply" which you can set to "Default" "All programs" etc etc

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Slyboots:

Ahh, Fantastic :)

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ARfdee:

anyone know of a script to use meevee with mythtv?

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MaxeyPad:

is it possible to run a good setup of mythtv though from a single box?

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blackest:

combined frontend/backendyou mean MaxeyPad?

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doctormo:

ok I've installed all these new versions, I'm guessing that I should select one of these new services but which ione?

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doctormo:

Connecting to webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com|206.18.98.175|:80... connected.

[02:50:58]

doctormo:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized

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doctormo:

Reusing existing connection to webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com:80.

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doctormo:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error

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doctormo:

A rather interesting problem going on

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doctormo:

xris: any ideas?

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xris:

ok, you're not the first one I've seen with that error...

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xris:

do you have any lineups configured at schedulesdirect.org/account ?

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doctormo:

xris: no

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xris:

you need to do that first

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keith4:

i'm in the market for an HD pci card... what are the current recommendations?

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doctormo:

xris: ah,

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xris:

keith4: pchdtv? linuxtv.org wiki has a decent list of what's supported, etc.

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keith4:

how about price/performance?

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doctormo:

xris: thank you that worked

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xris:

:)

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xris:

keith4 they used to have that info... it's hard to say. I don't have any tuner card, and get great HD over firewire.

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xris:

way better than I could get with a pci card (since I get all of my SD channels, DHD, etc) and thus worth the $5/month I spend for the HD upgrade, and the $10/month I pay for the second HD box.

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keith4:

hmmm

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keith4:

good idea

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keith4:

i guess i should wait until i get the new HD box, and see if it has firewire

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xris:

and then see how what channels you get out of it.

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xris:

apparently only a few areas get more than the basic broadcast channels

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kdubya:

and all PCI digital capture cards are the same

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kdubya:

i would just get the cheapest thing you find

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xris:

kdubya: not true. Some are apparently better at dealing with QAM than others.

[03:00:39]

kdubya:

well

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xris:

I think it's changed now, but linuxtv used to have a nice table with the breakdown of what supported what.

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kdubya:

mine was $24 and it gets the same channels as my TV's qam tuner

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MaxeyPad:

yes, combined frontend/backend. is that possible

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GreyFoxx:

that/s what most people do

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MaxeyPad:

obviously I assume it is from a hardware perspective

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xris:

MaxeyPad: that's how I've been running for the last 4.5 years or so

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jhulst:

Has anyone had problems with the audio/video getting out of sync with 0.20.2? I just upgraded and am getting problems as shown in this output from mythtv http://rafb.net/p/RsZaYp15.html

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kdubya:

i just started getting that today jhulst

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kdubya:

but i upgraded to .20.2 last week

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kdubya:

i swapped out my video card and it caused that

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jhulst:

I don't think it's a problem with my computer, mplayer with regular audio and video works, dvd's and videos in myth work

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kdubya:

so, basically, i cant help you but i can feel your pain

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jhulst:

kdubya: thanks :)

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kdubya:

mplayer works for me

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kdubya:

but it crashed about once every 20 minutes

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kdubya:

actually, i guess that means it doesnt work

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defaultro:

hey folks, what do you think about Xorg 7.3?

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kdubya:

<iamben> mine worked great under xorg 7.2, but 7.3 has a new ABI that apparently causes issues with nvidia & ati binary drivers

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Yahooadam:

doctormo – dunno why your having a problem updating mythtv from the feisty repositories

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Yahooadam:

i installed from there and i have 0.20.2

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Yahooadam:

adam@DataServer1:~$ mythbackend --version

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Yahooadam:

Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3

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doctormo:

No it's all fixed

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

have you guys experienced this, while watching or moving around the mythfrontend menus, suddenly, it will just hide itself

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defaultro:

like the other day, I was watching, screen just became blank but I can still hear audio

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defaultro:

so I had to push on/off button on my remote which will tell irexec to execute killall -TERM mythfrontend and run it again

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antiPosix:

wow, the channel has more than doubled in the last 6 months

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defaultro:

it has more than doubled in 2 years

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antiPosix:

superhero Juski here?

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Yahooadam:

no hes on holiday

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Yahooadam:

plus it is 4:30am in the UK

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defaultro:

:P

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defaultro:

i'm monitoring fe now since I changed setting to opengl painting

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antiPosix:

everyone freely give there cash to schedules direct?

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defaultro:

so far, it hasn't died yet

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antiPosix:

please do.... the more they have up front....

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defaultro:

oh, I haven't done that yet

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antiPosix:

the cheaper it will be for the year round deal

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antiPosix:

$15 via paypal is so easy

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Yahooadam:

liez i tellz u liez

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defaultro:

do you have any idea how many have signed up?

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defaultro:

are we close to 500 subscribers?

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antiPosix:

over 300?

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defaultro:

ouch, that's not good

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antiPosix:

no, its more

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Yahooadam:

...

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Yahooadam:

i dunno if they will tell u

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Yahooadam:

is xris still around

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antiPosix:

the wont, but they are non profit

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defaultro:

my friends changed their listing. They're now using yahoo

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defaultro:

:(

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Beirdo:

doubt they CAN tell you

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antiPosix:

so unless they do some money laundering....

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xris:

Yahooadam: maybe

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GreyFoxx:

defaultro: far more than 500

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defaultro:

ok

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antiPosix:

I think we are safe to put our faith in them

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defaultro:

i'll pay tonight or tomorr

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xris:

can't tell the subscriber number until everyone has agreed to the new privacy policy

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antiPosix:

Nick Toons data has been all incorrect

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defaultro:

$15 is actually good especially with the things these guys have done for us

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xris:

it's more than 1000, though.

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antiPosix:

I dont know whoes fault, even my cable provider has it wrong

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xris:

(since at least that many people have agreed to the PP)

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antiPosix:

I ebayed my Tivo

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antiPosix:

I felt so good about it

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defaultro:

i have old cisco switches that I want to sell too

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defaultro:

maybe sell it for $20-$30

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antiPosix:

I want a Wii

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defaultro:

i bought wii last year

[03:33:20]

defaultro:

then i bought xbox this year on ebay

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Yahooadam:

lol

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defaultro:

but haven't modded it yet.

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antiPosix:

did you get Mario Galaxy?

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Yahooadam:

360 or 1

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defaultro:

1

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defaultro:

old one

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defaultro:

it's just for my kids

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antiPosix:

thats what I said about my xbox

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defaultro:

i'm still looking for the best modchip but don't know which one

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antiPosix:

before I bought Ep III (star wars)

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defaultro:

i'm thinking of getting xecutor 3 but don't konw if it's too much for what i really need to do

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Yahooadam:

u can never have too much :p

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defaultro:

:) that's true

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Yahooadam:

id probably go with that :)

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antiPosix:

xecuter 3 is a mod for ....?

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defaultro:

xbox

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antiPosix:

really?

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Yahooadam:

if you do it yourself, solder it on for the love of god :p

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defaultro:

so xecutor 3 is really good?

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antiPosix:

the FTP dashboard thing?

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defaultro:

i will solder it

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Yahooadam:

as far as i have read its the best out there

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

it's just expensive

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Yahooadam:

antiPosix, its a modchip for xbox, allows custom programs, and everything

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defaultro:

xecutor 2.6 is $34 only

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Beirdo:

and you are kinda treading on thin DMCA-type ice :)

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defaultro:

when we put xecutor, are we able to connect now to mythtv?

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Beirdo:

To Microsoft gumbies.... ignore this :)

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defaultro:

:)

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Yahooadam:

yes u can defaultro

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defaultro:

ok

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Yahooadam:

although u can mythtv with teh softmod if you wanted

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defaultro:

how is the playback though?

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defaultro:

or maybe, I'll just have to wait a little since I just bought a lawn tractor

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Yahooadam:

lol

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antiPosix:

I thought MAME, SNES, NES was all Mythtv could do

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Yahooadam:

i dont know what the playback is like

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antiPosix:

and Gen, erc

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defaultro:

k

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Yahooadam:

i think its fine for SD

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defaultro:

Yahoo, i guess it should be fine. Because it can play dvd fine

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defaultro:

ok

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Yahooadam:

and no-one would use it if it wasnt ok :p

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defaultro:

for HD, maybe, i should get 360 next time

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Yahooadam:

except u cant connect it to mythtv :p

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defaultro:

but i'm just so pissed of with the 5C :( I can't record shows that are in the afternoon

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Yahooadam:

5C ?

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defaultro:

yes, encryption

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defaultro:

cable providers apply 5c on their transmission

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Yahooadam:

lame

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GreyFoxx:

YEah, it varies a lot from cableco to cableco

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defaultro:

then correct me guys if i am wrong, that their own proprietart set top boxes is able to decode it

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defaultro:

maybe it uses exchange keys

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

or cableco is quite tight

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defaultro:

:(

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xris:

defaultro: yes. though sometimes they still don't let the 5c stuff out the firewire port

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defaultro:

xris, mine too, when I record an 5c'd via firewire, filesize increases fast but I can't watch it

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xris:

lame.

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GreyFoxx:

It's too bad non all companies open up all firewire channels you subscribe too

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defaultro:

here is what confusing on the service menu

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defaultro:

i can record non5c via firewire

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defaultro:

on the service menu, 2 columns

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defaultro:

ENABLED and ACTIVE

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defaultro:

for firewire, it says YES NO

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defaultro:

YES is under ENABLED and NO is under ACTIVE. Don't konw what that means

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defaultro:

or here is another solution I am thinking, get an old HDTV with firewire, then record from that

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defaultro:

maybe, the HDTV will stream to mythtv in clear

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defaultro:

so connection would be coax from outside--->settopbox--fw-->hdtv----fw--->mythtv

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defaultro:

then configure linux as a virtual dvhs device

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defaultro:

or linux1394 something

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xris:

doubtful that it would work

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

i was thinking because the HDTV is already able to display it on screen. Is it possible that data is still ENC'd?

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Yahooadam:

it wont unencrypt it and transmit it out through its firewire

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defaultro:

so how does 5c really work? Does it work 1) set top box senses that end device is 5c compliant so it sends in clear or 2) set top box sends 5c show and end device decodes it?

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Yahooadam:

i think #2

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defaultro:

k

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Yahooadam:

otherwise you could probably fake the "im a 5c device" bit

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Yahooadam:

and get it working

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defaultro:

yes, that's what the modified linux1394 do

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defaultro:

a d-vhs device

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defaultro:

but don't know if it really worked

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defaultro:

someone claimed using samsung

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antiPosix:

is there anyway I can avoid deinterlacing?

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antiPosix:

I'm feeding my ivtv with SVideo

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defaultro:

playback setting

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Yahooadam:

im not an expert on it feaultro :p

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Yahooadam:

defaultro #

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Yahooadam:

it could be #1

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antiPosix:

I feed my PVR-150 with SVideo, yet I still need to deinterlace on a television

[03:51:09]

Yahooadam:

but i doubt it, the modified 1394 thing probably removes the 5c

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Yahooadam:

it doesnt sound like a great system, cos sureley it will be easy to hack it

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Yahooadam:

eitehr getting a decryption key, or faking a "im a compatible device"

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Yahooadam:

also, if you connected it to your tv, the tv says "im protected" then it sends the proper stream, you could take a feed off the 1394 connection and record it into somthing else

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defaultro:

maybe, the motorola dct2000 box i got from a garage sale will work

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defaultro:

it worked for 1 month and maybe, they blocked it

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Yahooadam:

HDCP/SDCP just serves to piss off legit people, cos the illigitimate people get round it

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defaultro:

i'm reading this now, http://www.tussh.com/angus/dct2000.php

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Yahooadam:

i think you might be moving out of somthing allowed to be discussed here ;)

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defaultro:

erase :D

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defaultro:

so going back to my question

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defaultro:

has anyone experience that behaviour?

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Yahooadam:

gnite all, 5am is late enough :p

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defaultro:

dude, rest

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defaultro:

that's too much

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defaultro:

you are hurting your health

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

i dont wake up till like midday though, holidays ftw :D

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defaultro:

don't copy me where a vein in my right eye erupted

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defaultro:

then a liquid blocked my vission

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defaultro:

vision

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Yahooadam:

ouch

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defaultro:

doctor said there is no cure but to wait naturally

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defaultro:

it wasn't painful

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defaultro:

no pain at all

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defaultro:

but very annoying

[04:01:28]

defaultro:

my vision were doubled

[04:01:38]

defaultro:

have you seen a 3d movie

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Yahooadam:

yeah

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defaultro:

have you seen a 3d movie when you're not wearing the glasses?

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defaultro:

that's what I was seeing

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Yahooadam:

yeah :p

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Yahooadam:

my dad had a detatched retina b4

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defaultro:

so i worked from home for 2 months :D

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Yahooadam:

not fun

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defaultro:

after 2 months, it healed

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defaultro:

my visions are back now

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defaultro:

i noticed a little blurriness though

[04:03:03]

defaultro:

but am glad that i don't see the gray circle spot thru my vision

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defaultro:

ah

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Yahooadam:

mm

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Yahooadam:

my dad said that he could see like a red blob in his eye

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defaultro:

it's the same as looking at the sun for few secs and you will see gray

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Yahooadam:

he saw an optition, but they said it was ok

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Yahooadam:

then when he lost 90% of the vision

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ARfdee:

has anyone used meevee to get listings for mythtv?

[04:04:01]

Yahooadam:

he saw an optomitrist who said it was a detached retina

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defaultro:

red blob is caused by too much work,efforts,

[04:04:23]

Yahooadam:

and he had to have an operation, in a local anysthetic

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defaultro:

mine, even when I close my eyes, I still see the gray circle

[04:04:40]

defaultro:

the gray becomes red when I close my eyes

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Yahooadam:

maybe you should see an optimitrist

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defaultro:

no, I'm good now

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Yahooadam:

doesnt sound right ...

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defaultro:

it doesn't appear anymore

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Yahooadam:

ah kk

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defaultro:

i just rested so much

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Yahooadam:

i would hate to have a local operation on my eye

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defaultro:

just used computer for 1 hour a day

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Yahooadam:

being able to see them working inside your eye, sounds like hell

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defaultro:

that was from april to june last year

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defaultro:

oh yeah :D

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defaultro:

but i couldn't believe that the nurse was already pushing my eye, i didn't feel anything

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defaultro:

so maybe, inserting a cyringe in the middle would be fine

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Yahooadam:

lol

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defaultro:

the only scary thing is that, you will see it slowly, LOL

[04:06:58]

Yahooadam:

well my dads eye would probably have been ok if they had diagnosed it when he went to the optiton

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Yahooadam:

but their apparently not trained well enough

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defaultro:

i saw House when he was injecting the middle of the eye to get some liquid

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

so buddy, sleep now :)

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Yahooadam:

oh and then if they do a detached retina surgery

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Yahooadam:

then have to do a catarax

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defaultro:

I started doing this when i was 18, it only got back on me at 35

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Yahooadam:

cos it damages the lens in your eye or sommin

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defaultro:

i always stay late everyday

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defaultro:

then wake up at 7am

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defaultro:

so 3 or 4 hours of sleep only

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Yahooadam:

yeah

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defaultro:

that's for 17 years

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Yahooadam:

na i still get about 6

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Yahooadam:

cos im on school holidays :)

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Yahooadam:

no need to get up atall lol

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defaultro:

i'm still having a hard time breaking that bad habit

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defaultro:

:)

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Yahooadam:

anyway

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defaultro:

the tylenol pm worked though

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Yahooadam:

nn :)

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defaultro:

but it only worked for 2 weeks

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defaultro:

then after that, it wasn't taking effect anymore, LOL

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Yahooadam:

somnthing to make u sleep ?

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defaultro:

yep

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Yahooadam:

he he :p

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Yahooadam:

waking me up is the problem :p

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defaultro:

hahaha

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Yahooadam:

alarms, cars crashing into the house, phone

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Yahooadam:

no effect

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defaultro:

hahaah

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defaultro:

where you from?

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Yahooadam:

UK

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defaultro:

gotcha

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defaultro:

how can I hook my mythtv to BBC's HD?

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

BBC have HD ?

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

yes

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Yahooadam:

not where i live :p

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defaultro:

there is a website that i saw, tons of HD in UK

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Yahooadam:

i barely get the standard digital channels

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defaultro:

but you can only download if you are in UK

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Yahooadam:

ahh

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Yahooadam:

use a proxy

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Yahooadam:

its called the "iPlayer"

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defaultro:

don't know one

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defaultro:

k

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Yahooadam:

google free uk proxys

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defaultro:

:)

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Yahooadam:

iPlayer is P2P though

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defaultro:

i used to do that a lot back in 1995

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defaultro:

searching for proxies

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Yahooadam:

he he :)

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Yahooadam:

anyway, really time 4 me to go :)

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defaultro:

go

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defaultro:

:D

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defaultro:

sorry xris

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defaultro:

i'll just have to tell my wife to rent the $11 dvr from comcast

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garth:

can someone answer some quick questions for me about setting up my capture card?

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garth:

Particularly, I have an old Hauppauge WinTV-Go card based on the BT848 chipset

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garth:

the card works with TV time, but for some reason i cant get it setup in mythtv

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blackest:

ok i'll try

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garth:

hey i really appreciate it

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garth:

i dont have the highest of hopes, to be honest. I'm about to go out and get a PVR-150

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garth:

but if i can get this card to work, all the better

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blackest:

a good idea , buy a pvr 150 much better card

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garth:

im sure

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blackest:

ok so where are you getting stuck

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garth:

ok

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garth:

ive got all the packages installed

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garth:

load myth tv backedn setup

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garth:

configure capture card

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garth:

it recognizes that i have an 848 card, but when i try ot scan the channels, it give me "failed to open card"]

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garth:

btw im in Ubuntu Feisty

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blackest:

have you got xawtv ?

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garth:

no i dont think so

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blackest:

xawtv -hwscan is very useful it lists available tvcards

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garth:

im getting it right now

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garth:

ok it acknowledges the tuner card

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garth:

do you need to know anything in particular about the output/

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blackest:

will xawtv change channels ect

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blackest:

i think up and down arrows will do that

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garth:

hmmm no its not displaying anything

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garth:

in the terminal i get a bunch of invalid argument messages

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garth:

tvtime works with the card tho

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blackest:

ok try typing xawtv -hwscan

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garth:

yeah i did that first

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garth:

it sees the tuner card

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blackest:

it returns dev/video0 then ?

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garth:

does "flags: overlay capture tuner" mean anything?

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garth:

yes it does

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blackest:

theres two methods for getting the picture overlay is one i forget the name of the other

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blackest:

one or both will work at least you should see snow

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garth:

after i ran xawtv, in the terminal it reported "Warning: Your X-server has no DGA support" could that be a problem?

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blackest:

quite possibly

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blackest:

i would google it, what graphics card do you have ?

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garth:

6800GT

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garth:

i also installed compiz fusion, if that could cause some kind of conflict

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garth:

i thought as long as i was running an x-server i'd be ok

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blackest:

quite likely

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garth:

maybe ill remove the compiz fusion packages and see if i can have some luck

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blackest:

well as long as its running as an xserver which displays your tv card your ok :)

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garth:

thats kinda what i thought

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blackest:

theres usually around 3 inputs on a tv card

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blackest:

now you need to ensure your actually looking at the tvcard input

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garth:

i see

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blackest:

if its comp1 and theres nothing connected you will see nothing

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garth:

ok

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blackest:

also svideo...

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garth:

mine just has the coax and the yellow RCA type

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garth:

its kinda old

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blackest:

ok so there are at least 2

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garth:

yeah how can i tell and change it if its looking at the wrong one/

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blackest:

you can probably test composite using a vcr as a feed

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garth:

yeah thats a good idea

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blackest:

or a dvd player

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blackest:

you should be able to switch sources in xawtv and see if anything comes up on the tuner

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garth:

lemme try that

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blackest:

Btw you already proved that video0 should work with xawtv hwscan (sometimes videoX can belong to root and you wouldnt be able to use it till you fixed the permissions)

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garth:

yeah the xawtv was set to PAL when it should've been NTSC and us-cable, i made those changes, but still no picture :/

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blackest:

change the overlay method

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garth:

and it was set to television input (as opposed to s-video or composite1, etc..)

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garth:

ok

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garth:

now i get some white noise, lemme try some other settings

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blackest:

cool your winning use the arrow keys to tune up and down

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garth:

it appears to change channels but each channel is still just noise

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blackest:

top of the window should be a channel no

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garth:

there we go

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garth:

now we got picture

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blackest:

here for example bbc1 is channel 22

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garth:

survivor man!

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blackest:

ok so the card works? got any audio ?

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garth:

well audio was another issue i was going to deal with after.

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garth:

i have a seperate set of external speakers coming directly out of the card

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garth:

those work

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garth:

but i need to figure a loop back into my sound card

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blackest:

its kind of worse than that

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d3ity:

hey guys

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d3ity:

how can I take care of choppy video playback?

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garth:

how do you mean worse?

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blackest:

well you will get a delay between the audio and video

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garth:

ah

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blackest:

also say you pause the video the sound will continue

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garth:

i see

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blackest:

now in theory some cards let you get the audio of the pci bus

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garth:

looks like i should just get a pvr-150 and save myself all this hassle lol

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blackest:

yep

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blackest:

much simpler the card creates an mpeg2 stream with sound and myth just streams it off to your hd

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garth:

like i said earlier, that was more=or-less my plan but i had this card on my windows box and thought id give it a shot

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blackest:

anyway i guess its still practice for you

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garth:

yeah and i could certainly use it!

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garth:

<-- n00b

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blackest:

in mythtv setup you need to set up several things

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blackest:

we will ignore audio for now

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garth:

ok

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blackest:

select your card type as analog and the device to use video0 usually and the input

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blackest:

i think it'll be 1 or 2

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garth:

ok

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blackest:

then you need to set a listings source, this isnt really functional on analogue but you need it anyway

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garth:

like the kind that used to be available from zap2it/

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blackest:

you can grab listings from a source but create one called test for exampple

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blackest:

without any listings source it cant schedule recordings digital tv is better since it has a built in guide

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garth:

yeah i see

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garth:

i dont think i can get unencrypted digital programming in my area

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blackest:

however then you associate your tv guide (test) with an input on your card (television)

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garth:

right i understand

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blackest:

you should then be able to scan for channels

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garth:

cool

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garth:

will it fail to scan for channels until i have at least a test guide set up?

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blackest:

it'll find a bunch of channels and then hopefully you can watch some tv probably with the audio out of sync

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blackest:

yes

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garth:

ahhhh

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garth:

ok

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garth:

i think that was probably my problem earlier

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garth:

i didnt even set up a test guide

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blackest:

see how you get on, but you really want the pvr150 soon

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garth:

yeah i agree

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garth:

i tried looping my audio back into my mic-in jack but got no sound

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garth:

i think i may have audio driver issues

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blackest:

you might be lucky and be able to use the pci bus

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d3ity:

anyway... guys, I've got mythfrontend running on my laptop over LAN

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d3ity:

how can I get rid of choppy video?

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garth:

you may not have network bandwidth to carry the signal

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d3ity:

I'm not suere what exactly is causing the lag, whether its my video card or the network

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garth:

is it hardwired to the network or wireless?

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d3ity:

garth, its a gigabit lan

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garth:

yeah ok

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d3ity:

garth, running hardwired.

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blackest:

lol 54g wireless works fine here :)

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blackest:

whats your backend doing ?

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blackest:

just mythtv ?

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garth:

im gonna try a few of these things

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garth:

thanks for everything blackest

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blackest:

no probs

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garth:

im sure ill be back some other time lol

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blackest:

how much ram is on your backend ? is dma turned on

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blackest:

is your frontend capable enough

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ARfdee:

xris: you there?

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xris:

?

[05:02:24]

ARfdee:

are you familiar with meevo?

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xris:

not a bit

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ARfdee:

well, it provides free listings

[05:03:16]

ARfdee:

i was wondering if it can be used with mythtv

[05:03:34]

ARfdee:

it provides free listings in xml format, i believe

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xris:

never heard of it, got a link>?

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ARfdee:

sorry

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ARfdee:

meevee

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ARfdee:

www.meevee.com

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xris:

vaguely familiar name.. hang on a sec

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xris:

(checking to see if they were one of the companies we talked to for SD)

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xris:

grep on my mail archives will take awhile

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** xris twiddles his thumbs **

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xris:

ARfdee: the shower answer is "probably not for mythtv"

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xris:

er, not sure how "short" turned into "shower"

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xris:

still looking through my mail logs, though

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Tanthrix:

Sure you aren't.

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xris:

well, no record that I can find in my mail archives (doesn't mean much, I don't archive EVERYTHING).

[05:15:51]

xris:

anyway, I vaguely recall the name in a conversation about trying to license data from them, but I'm not sure. If it *was* them, their contract didn't allow them to sell/give data to MythTV users (the same problem that a whole BUNCH of companies had).

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ARfdee:

xris: i'm a bit confused

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ARfdee:

if i can access it through my web browser with a free account

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ARfdee:

hwy can't i tell myth to use it?

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xris:

I'm not saying you couldn't write a scraper or something like that.. but you'd have to check with the ToS for the site. Most of them have "no automated grabbing" clauses and stuff like that.

[05:18:19]

xris:

that's pretty much the whole reason SD had to form.

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blackest:

it has the option to get a tvguide by email on a friday or rss feed

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blackest:

you might be able to process the email maybe

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ARfdee:

well, if it offers in an rss feed

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ARfdee:

isn't that xml?

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xris:

ARfdee: yes. but you'd still have to read their ToS to find out if it's legit to use with MythTV.. if it's an rss feed, it might not even be useful — might only show you a handful of shows, etc.

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blackest:

it seems you personalise it with your area code and tv service

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xris:

yeah. they're probably like most other sites out there and license the data from TMS

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blackest:

i think the real problem is parsing the data and feeding it to mythtv database

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xris:

yup. you'd still have to write some sort of scraper.

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blackest:

its possible but unless someone is incined to do it its not going to happen.

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xris:

*however*.. if meevee allows it, you'd probably be able to get it added to xmltv.

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blackest:

inclined even :)

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xris:

mythtv/xmltv/SD have said time and time again that we have no problem with people writing/using scrapers that don't violate any ToS of the site they scrape.

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blackest:

does a scrapper have to be within mythtv itself thinking theres more than one way to fill a database :)

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xris:

usually they go through xmltv

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d3ity:

blackest, it's probalby worth the 15 bucks just to not have to deal with making a scraper

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blackest:

exactly :)

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blackest:

it's one of the things with mythtv you can do lots of things just some are not worth the trouble

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blackest:

like analog frame grabbing tvcards

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ARfdee:

xris: i don't see anything related in their ToS

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ARfdee:

or even a ToS

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ARfdee:

oh wait

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xris:

ARfdee: you must have had something to agree to when you created your acct there

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ARfdee:

they have a terms of use popup when you go to the homepage

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ARfdee:

at the bottom

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ARfdee:

"Neither you nor any third party may use bots, spiders, or other automated information-gathering devices or programming routines not supplied by MeeVee to "mine" information found on the MeeVee Sites and Services, for display on or use with a website or service sponsored by you or any third party."

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ARfdee:

hmm

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ARfdee:

you know, technically, i don't think that's saying you couldn't use it with mythtv

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ARfdee:

" for display on or use with a website or service sponsored by you or any third party.""

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blackest:

but you couldn't use it with mythweb

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ARfdee:

i don't know that you'd consider a webserver that runs only locally a "website"

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ARfdee:

anymore than considering webmin a website

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ARfdee:

no one else has access to it.

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Yggdrasil:

hello, can somone help me with an nvidia mx400 video card, i get some bad interlacing when i watch myth ?

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blackest:

ARfdee do you really think they intend for the TOS to allow you to scrape the site ?

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ARfdee:

blacklist, neither you or I know their intentions, i'm speaking specifically to what the language says

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xris:

ARfdee: "or service"

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ARfdee:

xris: "on display"

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ARfdee:

err sorry

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ARfdee:

"for display

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ARfdee:

"

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ARfdee:

i don't doubt you could email them and ask them, "with my account, can i download tv listings each night only for use by me on my personal computer?"

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xris:

"for display on or use with a website or service"

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ARfdee:

im pretty confident "service" does not mean "system service"

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xris:

mythtv is a service if anyone other than you uses it.

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xris:

and mythweb is a website.

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xris:

you could probably argue it in court if you had to, but it's a grey enough area that I doubt you'd get a scraper for it allowed into xmltv

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blackest:

well i guess there is a difference between can they set lawyers on you or cancel your membership but for using it for mythtv its the same

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ARfdee:

xris: definitely not. my computer is inaccessible to the outside world because i am behind so many routers.

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xris:

ARfdee: if you have a friend come over to watch your mythtv, you're providing a service to your friend.

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ARfdee:

there's no way you can argue web pages available on http://localhost for me are what they mean by "website"

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xris:

it's not that they WOULD come after you, it's that they could.. and could make your life miserable

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xris:

ARfdee: I'm not talking about web pages. I'm talking about the service provided by mythtv itself

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ARfdee:

err, they couldn't come after you, they'd just cancel your account.

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** d3ity must feed **

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ARfdee:

xris: i know, i was referring to the mythweb issue.

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spiderwor1:

hey all, i'm trying to reinstall mythtv on a new box and want to copy my database over (my shows as well)... two of my mythconverg tables seem corrupted... recordedseek and diseqc_config. are these two tables crucial to the operation of myth?

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xris:

ARfdee: they could do either, actually. probably *wouldn't* come after you, but could.

[05:43:31]

xris:

either way, it's enough of a "don't scrape this site" that you wouldn't get a scraper into xmltv (I know, I just asked the maintainer)

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ARfdee:

xris: that's like saying yahoo email could come after you for a free email account.

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spiderwor1:

im thinking about just dropping both those tables

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d3ity:

hey guys, still having picture quality issues, I managed to pull some network lag out of it and get the picture to be "smooth".... but I've got these horizontal lines that keep appearing...

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ARfdee:

xris: ok.

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d3ity:

what can I do to get rid of that? some sort of filter?

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blackest:

if it got incorperated into xmltv it would be would

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xris:

spiderwor1: recordedseek, definitely not (easy to rebuild).. do you use satellite? if not, diseqc_config isn't necessary.

[05:44:23]

ARfdee:

xris: regardless, i don't think such a script is available for the site.

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spiderwor1:

xris: satellite tv? no, i have cable

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xris:

d3ity: horizontal lines... like interlacing?

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xris:

spiderwor1: then you should be fine

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xris:

ARfdee: of course not.

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spiderwor1:

thank you xris!

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hapj:

how can I grab EIT data from the command line? to help me figure out why it's not working well in mythtv.

[05:45:20]

evil_andy:

anyone using the new schedules direct service and only having some of the channels resolve to actual channel names (most of my channels show up as "adding Channel 05" etc)

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ARfdee:

xris: so assuming you pay for the new service

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d3ity:

xris, what does interlacing look like?

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xris:

spiderwor1: once you're back up and running, you'll want to rerun mythcomflag with the "rebuild seek tables" option

[05:45:49]

ARfdee:

how do you change your settings in myth to reflect them?

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xris:

ARfdee: I'm on the SD board of directors...

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xris:

I haven't paid my $15, but I've put in a LOT of hours for free.

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xris:

d3ity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlacing

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evil_andy:

ok this is odd... it's pulling the correct channel names, but wrong channel #s it seems...

[05:46:42]

evil_andy:

2007-09–11 01:37:20.857 DataDirect: Updating channel 1041: 'Bravo' (BRAVO).

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ARfdee:

well, i am going to get rid of satellite/cable in april for good, so i'd only use SD till then

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ARfdee:

i just hope there's not some contract silliness

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xris:

d3ity: click on the "freeze frame of.." image to see its detailed view.

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xris:

no contract with SD... it's all "pay up front" and your account expires when you stop paying.

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ARfdee:

i just hate having to pay for stuff in linux

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xris:

evil_andy: make sure you picked the right provider...

[05:47:49]

ARfdee:

i know how that sounds

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ARfdee:

but it's certainly a benefit that you can do pretty much everything you want with freely available software.

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d3ity:

xris, exactly

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xris:

ARfdee: you're not alone. some of us don't like having to charge for this, but there's no way around it unless some company wants to step in and drop a few hundred thousand dollars in our laps.

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evil_andy:

xris, I picked the closest one to me... let me double check again... it's weird, because all the channel INFO (showings etc) seems to be correct for what's showing...

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xris:

d3ity: you can turn on a deinterlace filter inside of mythtv under "playback options"

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d3ity:

will do

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ARfdee:

xris: i'm sure there's less than 10k mythtv users in the world, why don't meevee or so company let myth i dunno, put an advertisement in a menu for them or something and allow myth users to get listings?

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ARfdee:

so=some

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evil_andy:

xris, yes, it's the only possible lineup that fits my situation...

[05:52:14]

evil_andy:

Yeah, the listing shows up correct on the sd website, but the channel names don't show up in mythtv... (except for a couple of the channels)

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xris:

ARfdee: huh? there are at least 3x that many worldwide.

[05:53:31]

ARfdee:

woops

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xris:

I think there are close to 12k just on the mailing list.

[05:53:59]

xris:

(though I haven't asked isaac in a long time what those numbers were)

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d3ity:

xris, looks a little better now, thanks

[05:54:14]

xris:

evil_andy: oh, ok.. so it's a mythtv thing, not an SD thing. you might have to run one of the "resync channel" type options in mfdb

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blackest:

and the listings problem is an american issue

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evil_andy:

xris, alright, thanks, I'll figure that out :)

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d3ity:

also... one last question. I'm using another box to display the frontend. I have a PVR-150 and only have one tuner. Is it possible to run two frontends? one on this machine and one on my laptop?

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d3ity:

I know they wont' be able to tune independantly

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blackest:

yes

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xris:

people in AU pay for their listings... the guys in SE managed to get their handful of TV stations to give the data away (but it's easy when there are only a few)

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xris:

d3ity: yup

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d3ity:

xris, mythfrontend: cannot connect to X server occours on the machine running the backend

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xris:

d3ity: should be a more informative error somewhere... is X running, etc, etc?

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d3ity:

i'm in xchat right now... so I'm supposing x is running

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d3ity:

where should I look for a log of some kind

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evil_andy:

xris, yeah, No matter what I do I still only get Adding Channel X as the channel name... oh well the scheduling at least works and its bedtime :P

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xris:

evil_andy: you try emptying the channel table?

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xris:

d3ity: are you trying to run mythfrontend as a different user than the one thats logged in?

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evil_andy:

xris, how do I empty the channel table?

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d3ity:

xris, no.

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xris:

evil_andy: this should delete all channel/program data: TRUNCATE TABLE channel; TRUNCATE TABLE program

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xris:

back up your db first if you're paranoid

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xris:

d3ity: weird

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evil_andy:

ok, thanks

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d3ity:

xris, i got it working...

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d3ity:

ok so... it only lets me view in progress recordings

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d3ity:

so now... would I be better off getting another PVR-150 or picking up something else if I want to record and watch at the same time?

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xris:

should show already-recorded stuff, too.

[06:15:59]

xris:

depends on what kind of tv you want to record. for analog cable, another pvr-150 or a pvr-500 would probably be the best optiosn.

[06:16:22]

d3ity:

the pvr-500 is basically two 150's on one card isn't it?

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xris:

yeah

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xris:

literally

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d3ity:

xris, so the PVR is still the best analog card out there

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evil_andy:

xris, crap. what's the proper command to set the password for mysql? it's not password=PASSWORD('blah') anymore...

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d3ity:

evil_andy, use mysqlmanager

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evil_andy:

d3ity, sorry, how does that help me? (I'm really not seeing it, it's late :\ )

[06:25:45]

evil_andy:

rather, what is it supposed to do?

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d3ity:

evil_andy, mysqlmanager allows you to reset passwords. I forget how, but the manpage is useful

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evil_andy:

d3ity, the problem is, I need to make sure it resets in the correct manner, I just reset the password using one method, and mysqldump recognizes it, but mythfilldatabase doesn't

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evil_andy:

this is annoying... I can connect as mythtv using mysql -u mythtv -p but mythfilldatabase fails to connect...

[06:32:02]

evil_andy:

fixed. wow I'm tired

[06:32:11]

evil_andy:

for some reason the default password got changed LOL

[06:32:58]

evil_andy:

xris, judging by the new output from mfdb, you fixed my problem :) the truncate tables worked. thanks a bunch!

[06:33:09]

evil_andy:

d3ity, thanks also, I'll need to look into mysqlmanager some more...

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evil_andy:

xris, you rock, just confirmed, everything is back to normal :) you can add one to the list of SD subscribers now :)

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tjcarter:

*bouncy*

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tjcarter:

<--- excited =D

[11:03:57]

laga:

?

[11:04:30]

tjcarter:

well, I have found one minor bug (I don't use the program grid often), but I can actually build -fixes now

[11:04:49]

tjcarter:

(FE on a Mac)

[11:05:39]

tjcarter:

That and I'm catching up on The 4400 =D

[11:06:23]

tjcarter:

That always makes my become bouncy

[11:06:59]

tjcarter:

I've been generally very impressed with the complexity of this series, given the number of Star Trek people involved with it.

[11:07:22]

tjcarter:

Inviting Star Trek people to work on a show usually is the fastest way to turn it into mindless drivel

[11:08:17]

tjcarter:

(Look what happened to Earth: Final Conflict and Andromeda.. You bring in more ST writers, the network and writers decide the show needs to lose the complicated overall story, and it devolves rapidly)

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Dagmar:

You forget that sometimes this isn't complexity

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tugrul:

hi

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Dagmar:

Sometimes, it's just that the writers don't have a damn clue what they're doing.

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Dagmar:

Sometimes, you're watching Lost.

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tjcarter:

Okay there was that little thing in the middle of S3, but that was a hiccup compared to what they did to E:FC and Andromeda

[11:13:15]

tjcarter:

(I'm very ashamed of Kevin Kilner for returning to the former)

[11:15:40]

tjcarter:

Though admittedly Andromeda had issues even before they butchered it

[11:16:16]

tjcarter:

Any episode involving Beka family should be ignored, and it's kinda silly that they went out and invented a Transporter in the first six episodes..

[11:16:23]

tjcarter:

(At least they decided not to use it)

[11:17:41]

tugrul:

I have a question about my remote control, whenever I press numbers on my remote, it sends "Numbers" to system (like a numerical keyboard). Does anyone know how can I prevent this?

[11:17:44]

Dagmar:

I still haven't seen a clear explanation why the fluff character got a color scheme change

[11:17:58]

Dagmar:

She was cute enough when she was light pink and purply

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tugrul:

It still continues if I shut down lirc & lircmd. looks like lirc_gpio causes this

[11:18:51]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: it was a major change in her character as well.

[11:18:58]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: It wasn't just a color change

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tjcarter:

Keep in mind that she never seemed to fight before that point and then she shows u with two force lances and pulling a Rommie

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Dagmar:

She was still largely ineffectual

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tjcarter:

That didn't happen until S3/S4

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tjcarter:

but by then, EVERYBODY was ineffectual.

[11:20:54]

tjcarter:

For the remainder of S2, she kicked some ass.

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tjcarter:

One of the final eps of the season, we found out that if she had to, she'd just keep putting people (Beka namely) back together however she had to in order to get what she needed from them..

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tjcarter:

It was arrogant, and it made my skin crawl.

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Dagmar:

The "picking weird grapes" scenes

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tjcarter:

Pruning that bonsai was more the kind of thing you should expect her to be doing.

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laga:

wtf.

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Dagmar:

laga: Here's something to take your mind off how bad that show got... http://www.memestreams.net/users/dagmar/blogid10321508/

[11:29:47]

laga:

thanks.

[11:29:59]

laga:

that's kinda what i was thinking when i opened the newspaper today.

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: para 2: amen to that!

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Dagmar:

I got ahold of a VERY high quality copy of this new fake video and over the next few weeks I'm going to cook up something that will hopefully make Osama the next Crazy Frog

[11:30:52]

Dagmar:

By this time next year, I hope to have more people having viewed my video than have even heard of Al Queda

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tjcarter:

those sleazeballs are probably more dangerous than any nutcase with a boxcutter ever could be.

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atoulan:

is there a way to make Mythtv record in mpg format instead of nuv format when using TV Tuner?

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tjcarter:

atoulan: a framegrabber?

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tjcarter:

The fastest/easiest way is to upgrade to a hardware encoder

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atoulan:

hmm... is there a way to do in software?

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atoulan:

like a configuration or setting?

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anykey_:

no, because your crappy framegrabber doesn't output mpg ;)

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atoulan:

ok, how can i transcode it?

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tjcarter:

Typically people with grabbers record to rtjpeg and then transcode to mpeg4 nuv

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tjcarter:

you can export that to .mp4

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tjcarter:

There are also scripts that will export to iPod

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atoulan:

tjcarter: I am already recording directly to nuv I want to convert that to something that mplayer can play but without taking too much time

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tjcarter:

Lossless export to .mp4

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atoulan:

tjcarter: yes, how can i do that?

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tjcarter:

can nuvexport do it?

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atoulan:

tjcarter: I don't actually know

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atoulan:

tjcarter: I can't find that command

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tjcarter:

it's a separate thing to install

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tjcarter:

I've actually been meaning to see if I can take myth2ipod and set its resolution higher

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atoulan:

tjcarter: thanx i will check it out

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tjcarter:

it's not a fast thing

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tjcarter:

But I have a hardware encoder

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tjcarter:

I jsut don't think MPEG2 is a good archive format

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tjcarter:

You know you can patch mplayer for nuv?

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GreyFoxx:

As well at some point in the future you will likely be able to record from a framegrabber directly to mpeg2. It's jus tnot in there yet

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Dagmar:

Man let's hope not

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GreyFoxx:

I'm 99% sure Captain Murdoch was making that an option

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: I think recording directly to .mp4 wouldn't be a bad thing

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tjcarter:

I don't see a whole lot of reason for the NUV format anymore

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gbee:

can anyone definitively say what the second composite/s-video inputs shown by the ivtv are about?

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laga:

tjcarter: send patches? ;)

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: Seems to me that back in the early ivtv days tmk said it was "ghost" inputs returned by the firmware

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GreyFoxx:

for some reason I assumed it was ignored in newer drives/firmware

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|Torg|:

I thought NUV was just the container and inside was mpeg2, mpeg4 or other

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

NUV like AVI is a container

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: that's what I assumed, but I couldn't see why they were being reported by the driver if that was the case

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|Torg|:

I say everyone get DVB cards, dump it to mpeg2 and be done with it :)

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gbee:

the NUV container allows for a seek table to be stored with the recording, mpeg2 and mpeg4 don't let you do this which is why seeking with them (outside of mythtv) doesn't work very well

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|Torg|:

so why change it then nuv whatever goes out of the DVB card, mpeg, mpeg4 whatever

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gbee:

but I think everyone would probably now agree that the NUV format isn't required, we store the seektable in the database now anyway and the format isn't widely supported

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laga:

gbee: i thought the seektable was stored in the DB anyways?

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laga:

right

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|Torg|:

yes it is

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GreyFoxx:

the nuv allows for pts stamps for better av sync

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|Torg|:

in fact I dont have nuvs anywhere on my system they never get created

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GreyFoxx:

avi is kinda shite for that

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tjcarter:

laga: Now that doing so is something I can do, I might at some point

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|Torg|:

all I have are mpeg2

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tjcarter:

I want to see mencoder's x264 codec in hardware =p

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laga:

tjcarter: there's some usb stick thingy which can do that. dunno if there are linux drivers, though

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gbee:

personally I wouldn't waste time replacing NUV, I'd just by a PVR 150 instead

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tjcarter:

laga: there aren't yet.

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laga:

tjcarter: http://www.amazon.de/Elgato-H-264-Hardware-En . . . p/B000PCVIEU

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tjcarter:

laga: and it doesn't use x264, it uses h.264. Technically the former is an implementation of the latter

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laga:

tjcarter: i'll leave it to you to find an english link

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laga:

tjcarter: which is why the difference doesnt really matter.

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tjcarter:

I provided a link to El Gato for that very same stick a few weeks ago

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laga:

sorry that i don't remember thwat precious gems you posted in here a few weeks ago

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tjcarter:

http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/codecs-final-105-1.htm

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|Torg|:

is it a USB device?

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tjcarter:

Yeah, it's basically a math processor via USB that speeds up the conversion

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tjcarter:

I don't know if it could be used to produce x264 or not.

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|Torg|:

I found thier site, and am wondering if the BSD mac drives can be converted to linux x86

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|Torg|:

Ive been using (well testing) x264-farm, works allot list distcc

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tjcarter:

Keep in mind xnu != BSD

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|Torg|:

im fully aware of that, its why I asked :)

[12:47:10]

tjcarter:

You might convince El Gato to provide information for the thing

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|Torg|:

ones a sysV emulator the other BSD varient

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|Torg|:

heel it might as well be Widnows vs Linux

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tjcarter:

after all, they sell it as a Mac product, but it's a hardware Mac product

[12:47:34]

tjcarter:

They don't care if you use it on a Mac =)

[12:48:09]

tjcarter:

I think they'd care even less if MythTV were a little more compatible with their other products, but well yeah ;)

[12:48:54]

blackest:

it's got some terrible reviews on amazon

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tjcarter:

My views on decoupling MythFrontend from the BE so you can replace it fairly easily are established.

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|Torg|:

Im thinking this is a hadware DSP, h264 is a standard and someone figured out how to stream someting in and get h2674 out

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|Torg|:

its not a Mac itv only thing, its what they crted it

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tjcarter:

blackest: the reviews are probably based on a QuickTime bug.

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|Torg|:

so maybe ther ards some chips I can pop on a PCB and sorta kinds do someting

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tjcarter:

Well it's almost cheap enough to buy one and gut it to find out =D

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|Torg|:

shh that would be illegal :P

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tjcarter:

The issue is that x264 bit for bit is the best codec money is not needed to buy ;)

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tjcarter:

And no, it wouldn't.

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tjcarter:

Doing it to the drivers might be

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tjcarter:

bug taking apart the stick to find out what's inside is perfectly legal

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|Torg|:

coping the design is not, copyign the idea is

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|Torg|:

well generally

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|Torg|:

I cant make a chip by chip copy and call it Torgs Myth Aceelerator, but I can tak ethe ide of pluggin ina DSP to sped up mpeg4 processing

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|Torg|:

http://www.adstech.com/products/RDX-160/intro . . . ?pid=RDX-160

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|Torg|:

of course if there is one......

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ole_schoola:

i think it was 24 hoursafter the iphone intro when someone posted the net cost of parts after dissassembling one

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|Torg|:

ole_schoola im not saying takeing it apart is illegal, selling a clone iphone woul dbe tho

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ole_schoola:

not in malaysia ;)

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|Torg|:

besids if I made one it would be a HELL of allot bigger then a USB stick, im not soldring SMT chips

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ole_schoola:

on a different note: anyone using atrpms nvidia packages?

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|Torg|:

sorry I just download the binary drive and let the packeage compile them

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ole_schoola:

which OS?

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|Torg|:

Debina

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ole_schoola:

ah, i've a fresh fc7 boxen with a dicey driver prob

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|Torg|:

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . 639-pkg1.run

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ole_schoola:

i know it's there, tried it once on fc3 and got it to work after lots of pain, pckgs always worked no problem for me, until now

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ole_schoola:

although i may try it just for shits

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|Torg|:

basicly al lthe nvidia installer does is wrap there binary drive intoa kernel module and X module

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|Torg|:

its not really compilgin anything unless you r talkign about the kernel module headder

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ole_schoola:

i was just about to ask that, so the kmod is wrappered with the driver and the .run is just an installer. check

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ole_schoola:

how difficult is it to uninstall and remove the bits?

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|Torg|:

the run is a shell script that takes the kernel headder and makes a module, then takes teh X headders and makes a driver

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|Torg|:

Ive only installed over the top of it

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|Torg|:

oh it does overwrite, well redirect your opengl/glx drivers

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ole_schoola:

i see, i'll read more before i jump just in case i switch back to pkgs

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ole_schoola:

i saw your earlier topic of wall construction (brick versus frame and rock)

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ole_schoola:

if they use meters and kilos, they have brick walls ;)

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|Torg|:

topic? yes i sometimes diverge from mythtv, well allot of us do

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|Torg|:

I was talking how I took my surround sound spekers wires and put them in the walls rather then across the floor under the rug

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ole_schoola:

only the US and few other cultures build like we do

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|Torg|:

so I guess it was close to being on topic :)

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ole_schoola:

sure is, many of us do that. i just finished a plasma hang for my dad

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Dagmar:

You put them in conduit, right?

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|Torg|:

Canada makes houses like we do, and they use metrics

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|Torg|:

nope, jsut in the wall

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|Torg|:

no conduit, its not carring voltage (well very little)

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Dagmar:

You at least used flame-retardant wire sheathing, right?

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|Torg|:

wire shielding, you mean plenum cable for the cat5e yes

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|Torg|:

for the speaker wire, no

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Dagmar:

*facepalm*

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Dagmar:

COngratulations.

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ole_schoola:

Dagmar: NEC in the states allows CL2 and CL3 rated low voltage <90v

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Dagmar:

You're just installed fuses in the walls.

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Dagmar:

Eveyrthing'll be cool, as long as you don't have a fire.

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ole_schoola:

Torg: check the sheathing for CL2 or CL3 rating

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Dagmar:

If you have a fire, those wires will carry the flame all along the wall at a much greater rate

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ole_schoola:

True, that CAN happen

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Dagmar:

That's the main reason for putting wires in conduit.

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Dagmar:

...so if they do burn, the fire will usually stay inside the conduit

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ole_schoola:

Some municipalities (Chicago) now require LV in conduit, check local codes, always

[13:08:19]

ole_schoola:

Dagmar: it's to keep them from burning ;)

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|Torg|:

we dont even require conduit for electical cable, not in residentail one story buildings

[13:08:35]

Dagmar:

ole_schoola: Yeah, ideally if they don't catch fire it can't spread, but sometimes things happen

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: Cities which have nearly burnt to the ground (Chicago, New York, San Francisco) tend to be a bit pickier

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ole_schoola:

NEC still allows that, local codes differ. where i live, all HV is in metal conduit and LV can be run but must not share HV conduit

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|Torg|:

my house is made of wood, if its going to burn down its going to burn down

[13:09:52]

Dagmar:

It's also a TON easier to run new wires if you have conduit, since you can much more easily snake htme

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ole_schoola:

New York has seperate code for pre-war buildings

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|Torg|:

Dagmar if I had pre existing conduit I would have

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Dagmar:

lol

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|Torg|:

none of the wire, not the electival (we dotn have HV and LV, just 115V) is either

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ole_schoola:

Torg: that is what we call a "retrofit"

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ole_schoola:

HV > 90 volts, LV < 90 volts

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|Torg|:

ahh ok I thoght you were taking like 115V vs 220

[13:11:28]

GreyFoxx:

my god

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|Torg|:

even my 220 isnt in conduit

[13:11:52]

GreyFoxx:

someone emailed me a minute ago saying that I didn't include some FTP login info in my email to them

[13:11:53]

ole_schoola:

i still see that here in the post war homes (50–55)

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GreyFoxx:

his quote of my message INCLUDED the ftp login info

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx forward that to me :P

[13:12:31]

GreyFoxx:

maybe with all names and ftp info xxx'd out :)

[13:12:48]

ole_schoola:

wow. i use scp over ssh to get to my hosting

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|Torg|:

and ole_schoola I cant see where there is a making on the spools or wire for CL, its 16G multistranded wire

[13:13:18]

ole_schoola:

is it a clear jacket, silver one side, gold, the other?

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|Torg|:

white

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ole_schoola:

like lamp cord>?

[13:14:23]

|Torg|:

thicker, much

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ole_schoola:

who makes it or where'd ya get it?

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|Torg|:

sorry its 14G not 16

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Dagmar:

Lamp cord is closer to 10ga

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|Torg|:

monstercable amkes it I cant remeber where I got it

[13:15:09]

ole_schoola:

you'll be fine

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|Torg|:

but the wire 3 maybe 4 yars ago, put it in the wall about a year ago

[13:15:12]

Dagmar:

What the hell kinda speakers are you running?

[13:15:25]

|Torg|:

its only that im a packrat that I stil hav ethe old spools with maybe 3 feet of wire left :P

[13:15:52]

|Torg|:

ols Sony ones, about 10 years old I can lok up the model

[13:16:06]

|Torg|:

my surround sound is VERy old, it works tho so I havnt replaced it

[13:17:39]

|Torg|:

the spakers are SS-V230's

[13:20:20]

ole_schoola:

i kept my nikon handy during the later part of the install, i'll likely put together an illustrated step-by-step guide including a low voltage chase and a power inlet/outlet to feed the flat panel with the power conditioner

[13:20:43]

|Torg|:

install of what?

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ole_schoola:

well, per Chicago suburbs local electrical code which is opretty strict

[13:21:08]

ole_schoola:

a plasma

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ole_schoola:

i've installed so many of the damn things and i finally had the opportunity to photograph the process

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|Torg|:

where are the pics?

[13:22:27]

ole_schoola:

when you do it professiojnally, you go fast,. no time to takes pics

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|Torg|:

and when they come out with a REAL 1080P palsma maybe ill get one :)

[13:22:37]

ole_schoola:

in my CF card

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Dagmar:

...or maybe you'll buy a house

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|Torg|:

Dagmar more like build another house, but yes :)

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ole_schoola:

hell ya, house first

[13:23:18]

|Torg|:

other then changing these damn bulbs my DLP works fine

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|Torg|:

if you ant I can take pitucres of the speaker cable

[13:24:07]

|Torg|:

it dosnt seem to have any markings on it tho

[13:25:06]

|Torg|:

the ehhernet comes from the Cingular datacenter, its cat5e they were thowing out when then went to cat6

[13:25:17]

ole_schoola:

is it two conductors, individually insulated, wrapped by a white thermostic sheat?

[13:25:19]

|Torg|:

its alsop blue, red and white :)

[13:25:30]

|Torg|:

yes ole_schoola

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|Torg|:

duno if the shield is thermostatic tho

[13:25:42]

ole_schoola:

you can strip off the white sheath?

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|Torg|:

yes they have smaller shethers arround the wire

[13:26:13]

|Torg|:

those are clear, looks allot like thick pastic wrap

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ole_schoola:

perfect, it can go in the wall then if it came from monster. no worries

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|Torg|:

Dagmar why do the speakers matter, power draw?

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ole_schoola:

3 or 4 years ago, the CL@ rtating wasn't REQUIRED to be imprinted, the offashore stuff still doesn't have it printed either

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Dagmar:

If you're using wire > lamp wire, that's gonna be hella thick unless you guys use really thin wires to power your lamps.

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|Torg|:

I dont power laps from it, I think ole_schoola was aksing if it LOOKEd like lamp cord

[13:29:01]

ole_schoola:

rule of thumb: chepo speakers get 14g run, decent with bass handling get 14g and good speakers (B&W, Triad, Canton) get 12g

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ole_schoola:

Torg: correct, i knew we were talking just speaker wiring

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|Torg|:

Im trying to find out what monster cable it is, all the stuff I see is clear, this is white

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|Torg|:

it simply says Monster Xp on it

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|Torg|:

there was some other words but notign with rating or such

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ole_schoola:

they change their lineup you'll likely not find it

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ole_schoola:

brb, i need to go exchange a cup of coffee for another

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Beirdo:

mmmm, coffee

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Beirdo:

there's a good idea

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|Torg|:

ole_schoola how old are you? havnt you learnd to put the coffe pot in the computer room :P

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gbee:

|Torg|: beer is in the computer room, but if the coffee/tea was here too then I'd miss out on vital exercise

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|Torg|:

hmm beer int he comptuer room, gets a bit too hot in my comptuer room for beer tho, its in my celler

[13:38:23]

drmitch:

so I'm planning to make my own channel listings updater by pulling it from www.zap2it.com. does mythfilldatabase do anything but download channel listings and insert them into the table? (does it actually look for repeats and stuff too?)

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|Torg|:

drmitch that has already been done, find it on google

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Dagmar:

dmitch: Wow you really like pissing into the wind

[13:41:02]

|Torg|:

Dagmar let him, thye already lissed of zap2it enough to pull free xml service

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|Torg|:

maybe they can piss them off more to pul HTML service too

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drmitch:

well then i'll just use yahoo instead

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drmitch:

they'll never pull that

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|Torg|:

nver say nver

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gbee:

|Torg|: that's what the mini fridge is for

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drmitch:

yahoo already has its own dvr sofware

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|Torg|:

gbee I dont put my beer in the fridge, but I get the idea :)

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|Torg|:

drmitch Ill tel you what you can steal satalite service too with some software that emualtes a secutity deive, pissed off echostart ot no etent and they activly kill it on a failr frequent bases. That makes you run and go update your software about every damn day. XML scrapers are ALLOT like that

[13:43:59]

|Torg|:

do you want listing that work, or ones you need to baby sit?

[13:44:18]

|Torg|:

so you want to figure out last weks recordings fail AFTER they fail and then run arround trying to fix them?

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|Torg|:

or would $15 be too much for some piece of mind?

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drmitch:

I'll pay $15 every 3 months once i'm out of school

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|Torg|:

ahh you cant afford it becase you ins school, why dont you turn off the TV then and go study

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drmitch:

right now, my budgetting is down to $150 a month and that's not including food

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drmitch:

that's the whole POINT in a DVR

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drmitch:

to record now so i can watch later when i'm not busy

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gbee:

|Torg|: fridge is just too keep it cool not cold ;) I'm English after all :p refrigerating beer kills the flavour (which I think is the point for most people)

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|Torg|:

gbee I was wondering there for a minute :)

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|Torg|:

im lucky enough to hav a root celler tho, its an old farm house

[13:47:05]

laga:

oh my god

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laga:

please stop bitching about schedulesdirect

[13:47:21]

laga:

or do it on their board where it's actually on-topic

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drmitch:

i'm not bitching

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drmitch:

i asked if mythfilldatabase does anything but download listings and insert them

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|Torg|:

<drmitch> so I'm planning to make my own channel listings updater by pulling it from www.zap2it.com.

[13:48:17]

|Torg|:

I think your made your intentiosn quite clear

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laga:

drmitch: www.xmltv.org

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laga:

go there

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laga:

and/or read the mythfilldatabase source code

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gbee:

drmitch: create a xmltv compatible grabber and then you can use mythfilldatabase – a fully compatible grabber will even be run automatically by mythtv every day

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directhex|work:

isn't there one to scrape zap2it's html already? zap2xml or somesuch?

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|Torg|:

yes directhex|work

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ole_schoola:

ahhh, coffee. what'd i miss? oh great. THAT. i just finally bumped up to 20.2 and signed up. couldn't be happier.

[13:50:55]

gbee:

not sure whether that is fully xmltv compliant, or just outputs xmltv formatted data

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directhex|work:

i use EIT, and could alternately use a proper free xmltv feed. either way, not something i worry about

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|Torg|:

I use SD becae I want more then the 3 days I get and my box continously scannign EIT

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ole_schoola:

there ya go drmitch: use EIT until you can afford SD or the time to write the grabber

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|Torg|:

or use goole

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directhex|work:

it's 7 days in .uk

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directhex|work:

14 days from xmltv.radiotimes.com

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gbee:

EIT just isn't reliable enough or detailed enough for me, it's fine for those channels I rarely watch or news etc, but I prefer the RadioTimes xmltv for its quality

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|Torg|:

yes directhex|work I should have been more clear, *I* get 3 days from my ATSC sources here

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gbee:

EIT may yet go to 14 days in the UK

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|Torg|:

besides $15 is more then I spent on evercrack and I did that for 3 years

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Kazan:

Shrillness["NCTA"]++

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tjcarter:

so does one need trunk to have FE auto-detect BE's on the network using UPnP ?

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directhex|work:

since when does myth's upnp do anything? :o

[14:10:25]

tjcarter:

0.20 is UPnP AV server

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ole_schoola:

heh, it showed up on my squeezebox as browseable

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tjcarter:

plan is apparently to make future FE use just UPnP AV + probably mysql I'd imagine

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ole_schoola:

had to laugh because the music lives in mythmusic's directory but slimserver actually serves the music for my setup

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tjcarter:

that'd pretty much do away with FE/BE synchronization issues across networks

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directhex|work:

i know what it's meant to be, but given the zero documentation & my utter inability to eer see proof that it does anything...

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ole_schoola:

what do you mean zero documentation? read the code

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tjcarter:

The problem is that there aren't many UPnP AV CLIENTS out there..

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tjcarter:

code != documentation

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directhex|work:

ole_schoola, i've read the code, actually

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ole_schoola:

ahh, glean anything?

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directhex|work:

that the xbox 360 compatibility was broken

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ole_schoola:

lmao

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GreyFoxx:

the xbox360 compatibility is "broken" because MS chooses like in all things to be non standard in how it treats upnp

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tjcarter:

I am looking for an actual UPnP AV client.

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GreyFoxx:

whenever I dig my 360 out of a box again I'll look at puting in work arounds for it

[14:14:25]

ole_schoola:

ummm, sqeezebox?

[14:14:36]

tjcarter:

That's a server isn't it?

[14:14:37]

GreyFoxx:

tjcarter: Software or hardware client ?

[14:14:42]

tjcarter:

software client.

[14:14:55]

tjcarter:

djmount isn't a client, it's a cute network filesystem

[14:14:56]

ole_schoola:

high end burr-brown D/A, top-notch preamp....

[14:15:02]

directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, it's already full of workarounds. those are what appear not to work

[14:15:09]

GreyFoxx:

My dad uses the dlink DSM 320 as a upnp client to his myth box

[14:15:20]

tjcarter:

although djmount is cool in that I can probably get it to work on a Mac without a whole lot of porting

[14:15:46]

GreyFoxx:

directhex|work: There have to be since each client type seems to react a little differently to everything. It's unfortunate. Especially for something called "universal" :)

[14:15:49]

ole_schoola:

sorry tjcarter, squeeze is a hardware device, slimserver is the server side but that is redundant to myth's upnp

[14:16:00]

GreyFoxx:

but like all "standards" it's a matter of interperatation

[14:16:17]

directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, the 360 ignoring anything that doesn't pretend to be Windows Media Connect doesn't help

[14:17:22]

GoalieManPat:

anyone know a good lightweight file manager that wont break Knoppmyth?

[14:17:36]

tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: that's kinda why I am interested in seeing some effort that makes inplementing UPnP AV pretty simple

[14:17:43]

tjcarter:

GoalieManPat: mc? ;)

[14:17:51]

ole_schoola:

twm running on a mythdora box?

[14:17:56]

** ole_schoola runs and hides **

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GoalieManPat:

ya. ive tried mythdora. i like it but i prefer KM. its no big deal i was just wondering if there was somethin good to install so i could be lazy movin stuff around hehe

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ole_schoola:

oops, you said filemanager. that was a joke that made no sense

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Kazan:

you know what we need.. a dedicated rpm repo just for mythtv and it's deps.. with processor targeted compiles (ie someone would be busy doing cross compiles) with stable (-fixes) and weeky (trunk) builds

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directhex|work:

Kazan, you mean the new mythbuntu repo?

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tjcarter:

I've actually been considering building a very embedded MythTV setup

[14:20:46]

Kazan:

directhex|work: RPM not .DEB

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tjcarter:

the problem is I go back to school in 1.5 weeks

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tjcarter:

grad students don't typically have time to develop even embedded Linux distributions

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directhex|work:

Kazan, who the hell would expose themselves to RPM without a hazard suit?

[14:21:21]

Kazan:

directhex|work: i would

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directhex|work:

madness :|

[14:21:29]

Kazan:

because ubuntu is pure unmitigated shite

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Kazan:

tried using it for my mythbox

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ole_schoola:

directhex: i have a hazard suit, it's called Smart

[14:21:47]

tjcarter:

I don't even think I'd likely use ipkg for my embedded dist

[14:21:58]

Kazan:

when i told synaptic to install c++ build environment it setup the enviornment.... in a fashion that couldn't build executables

[14:22:16]

tjcarter:

I'd be working with pieces too big for the need for it.

[14:22:17]

Kazan:

they were using a version of PAM that was like... two years old on their latest release

[14:22:29]

gbee:

I like smart, but it can be painfully slow because it insists on "updating the cache" every single time it's used

[14:22:38]

Kazan:

grr

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directhex|work:

gbee, so do most zomgrpmrules tools

[14:22:43]

Kazan:

my kitten is being an attention whore

[14:22:54]

ole_schoola:

i don't mind one bit. it's depsolver tears yum a new one

[14:23:09]

ole_schoola:

and yum is so painfully sloooooowwwwwww

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tjcarter:

and the upgrade procedure I have in mind calls for a TiVo-like upgrade. (nuke and pave a spare partition, install latest stuff on to it, reboot)

[14:23:53]

directhex|work:

Kazan, if you want to build mythtv, apt-get build-dep mythtv. if you want the essentials for building executables, apt-get install build-essential

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gbee:

directhex|work: urpmi never had that problem

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directhex|work:

gbee, urpmi was insufficiently zomg

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gbee:

heh

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Kazan:

directhex|work: ubuntu already ruined it's reputation beyond repair with me

[14:24:47]

Kazan:

pam-.77 when pam-.99 was current was the straw

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tjcarter:

Calls for at minimum two OS partitions (one mounted ro unless the other is being installed on), a common partition (rw, shared, contains DB and anything else), and a media partition (rw, can be xfs or jfs or whatever)

[14:25:37]

tjcarter:

if you nuke the shared and media partitions, it's like a full reset to clean install. Why would you do that? =p

[14:25:47]

tjcarter:

But that's the idea anyway.

[14:26:29]

Kazan:

hmm ProjectGrayhem-wide :D

[14:26:58]

tjcarter:

Kazan: I'm more fond of blootube

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tjcarter:

(lite-wide)

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** Kazan looks at it **

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gbee:

blootube-wide beats all the other blootubes hands down

[14:27:44]

tjcarter:

I use lite because non-lite eats RAM like candy

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directhex|work:

mepo-wide!

[14:28:01]

Kazan:

does blootube has it's own osd

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gbee:

tjcarter: less now than it used to

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tjcarter:

gbee: cool

[14:28:18]

gbee:

Kazan: yes

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tjcarter:

OpenGL painter should make it eat less still.

[14:28:50]

gbee:

tjcarter: still more RAM than -lite but a lot less than it used to use

[14:28:50]

Kazan:

hmm

[14:28:59]

Kazan:

it needs boarders on the view recordings screen

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gbee:

blootube-osd is, imho the best OSD available

[14:29:27]

tjcarter:

I agree with gbee

[14:29:28]

Kazan:

it is a very nice OSD

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directhex|work:

hm, not tried it

[14:29:41]

directhex|work:

some of the default OSDs are nasty

[14:29:45]

tjcarter:

How much more?

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gbee:

but for the love of all that is holy, use FreeSans as your OSD font and NOT freemono

[14:30:10]

gbee:

directhex|work: they are just very, very old and a couple of them should be put to sleep

[14:30:17]

tjcarter:

I don't know what it uses on my Mac, but it's a different font

[14:30:19]

Kazan:

WTB: color OSD on XvMC

[14:30:25]

rooaus:

lol, say no to mono

[14:30:43]

directhex|work:

mono rules!

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tjcarter:

probably because I don't have the X11 free TTFs installed on my Mac

[14:30:57]

gbee:

freemono used to be the default, I changed it to freesans in trunk

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gbee:

tjcarter: actually we bundle freesans and freemono with mythtv

[14:31:41]

jarle:

gbee: Is freemono default? I haven't gotten the size of the fonts to look good in OSD yet, haven't looked into it yet

[14:31:45]

directhex|work:

who's the one working on the libspe2 stuff for ps3?

[14:31:52]

gbee:

but Nigel might have the mac build looking elsewhere for fonts

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gbee:

jarle: freemono is default, some themes override this but most don't

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rooaus:

night all

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gbee:

it can be changed under playback settings (or somewhere in the settings)

[14:32:57]

jarle:

gbee: I'll have a look at my frontend...

[14:33:01]

gbee:

afternoon roo, sleep well

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tjcarter:

gbee: on a Mac?

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gbee:

freemono is a terrible font, although most monospace fonts are pretty ugly

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ole_schoola:

gbee: good morning

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tjcarter:

gbee: I use Andale Mono myself.

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gbee:

tjcarter: no idea how the mac differs on the issue of fonts

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tjcarter:

It's not a proper UCS font, at least not the version I have.

[14:34:29]

tjcarter:

gbee: well, it's not hard to install them, but I don't think they can be bundled

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tjcarter:

(bundle meaning something specific on a Mac)

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gbee:

we only need monospace fonts for Closed Captioning etc, the OSD can use any font you want but it doesn't look for system fonts, just what it finds in the root themes directory

[14:37:27]

gbee:

waiting for users to test patches is a pain, can't just commit and move on to the next project

[14:39:02]

Kazan:

hey gbee

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tjcarter:

Actually, they're there

[14:39:14]

Kazan:

did you see the third contender to the optical HD video storage war

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tjcarter:

I just don't know if they get used

[14:39:29]

gbee:

nope

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Kazan:

uses the same red lasers as normal DVD

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Kazan:

30GB per side

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Kazan:

player only costs $150

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WH is now known as RealWayhigh

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tjcarter:

Kazan: I don't think it's a realistic contender

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RealWayhigh:

re all

[14:40:25]

Kazan:

tjcarter: technologically i'd say it's superior than the other two

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RealWayhigh:

I finally got my myth box functional last night

[14:40:44]

Kazan:

just need to get some hollywood backing

[14:40:50]

Kazan:

and a major chain store to pick up the players

[14:40:54]

Kazan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versatile_Multilayer_Disc

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tjcarter:

Kazan: I don't think I agree. BluRay offers 50GB in a two-layer disc

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directhex|work:

it won't get holywood backing. china means piracy

[14:41:27]

Kazan:

tjcarter: but you have to pay 4 times as much for a player

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directhex|work:

tjcarter, with yield rates as low as 10%

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tjcarter:

Kazan: that won't last forever.

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Kazan:

HDVMD uses the same red lasers as DVD

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Kazan:

BluRay and HD DVD use different lasers

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tjcarter:

I get it

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Kazan:

i don't think either can ever get as cheap

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directhex|work:

Kazan, it still won't get any western content

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tjcarter:

people used to say Bluetooth would never work because you could never get it cheap enough to afford it

[14:42:53]

tjcarter:

BT chipset was like $30 on its own

[14:42:58]

Kazan:

ah HD-VMDs trick is actually just using more layers per side

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tjcarter:

now what, $3?

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Kazan:

there are reports of 50GB/side disks (10 layer)

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gbee:

DMD was a more interesting format, but I'm not sure what happened to it

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tjcarter:

The reason why HDDVD or BluRay is going to win is that you're never going to see 10 layer BD writers for computers

[14:44:21]

tjcarter:

2 layer BD writers exist but cost arm+leg for now.

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Kazan:

launch titles for VMD include all of mel gibson's movies... heh

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tjcarter:

1 layer writers are about $4–500 for now.

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gbee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Multilayer_Disk

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directhex|work:

Kazan, did you buy into Video2000 instead of VHS/Beta a few years ago?

[14:45:07]

|Torg|:

2 layer writers are about $600

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Kazan:

no

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|Torg|:

the blanks are like $15 a pop tho

[14:45:21]

Kazan:

i'm not old enough to have participated in the VHS v Beta war

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directhex|work:

Kazan, you strike me as a Video2000 buyer, if you were born earlier

[14:45:44]

Kazan:

directhex|work: i was asssesing HD-VMD from the average-joe-consumer point of view

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directhex|work:

Kazan, average consumer point of view: "which one has all the movies? which one can i rent at the store down the road? kkthxbye"

[14:46:26]

directhex|work:

and, critically, which one is $30 a player in wal-mart first?

[14:46:34]

|Torg|:

directhex|work aveage consume, which format is my porn on

[14:46:52]

directhex|work:

|Torg|, the web!

[14:46:54]

|Torg|:

porn is what made VHS dominant over beta

[14:47:03]

tjcarter:

|Torg|: yes, and just two years ago, DLDVD was $10, 3 years ago they were $18.

[14:47:09]

tjcarter:

It WILL get cheaper.

[14:47:28]

|Torg|:

yes tjcarter I know, I was just making comments on it

[14:47:28]

gbee:

the benefit of HD-VMD isn't it's price point for the consumer, but the fact that DVD producers don't have to completely re-tool and that will go down _very_ well with them

[14:47:54]

|Torg|:

problme is we can sit here and debate what format is superior over another all day

[14:48:03]

|Torg|:

in the end the format that the consumer buys more of wins

[14:48:03]

Kazan:

directhex|work: averager consumer "Wow this one plays HD content and only costs $150.. these other ones cost $500 and $600"

[14:48:12]

|Torg|:

thats what happend to VHS vs betamax

[14:48:26]

|Torg|:

betamax was (wee is) vasly more suprior to VHS

[14:48:27]

Kazan:

gbee has a good point

[14:48:30]

directhex|work:

Kazan, *which* hd content? nobody in yankland gives a *gently caress* about all the bollywood modies on VMD

[14:48:38]

Kazan:

directhex|work: Braveheart

[14:48:57]

directhex|work:

vmd is video2000. late; no-hoper.

[14:49:04]

Kazan:

Maverick, Apocalypto

[14:49:13]

|Torg|:

hell part of my thingk HDDVD will win over blueray becase well HDDVD has HD in its name

[14:49:24]

|Torg|:

digitail is superior to analog after all

[14:49:29]

|Torg|:

and HD means better

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Kazan:

they have all of Icon's library for launch titles... which gives them some very decent movies

[14:49:39]

|Torg|:

mpeg4 is 2x mpeg2

[14:49:45]

|Torg|:

when do I get mpeg8?

[14:49:47]

Kazan:

heh

[14:50:29]

|Torg|:

and where is my HiDef, WiFi coffee pot?

[14:50:34]

Kazan:

lol

[14:50:40]

directhex|work:

|Torg|, in the boot of your flying car

[14:50:56]

|Torg|:

my car dosnt fly its glides :P

[14:51:35]

Kazan:

what i really want is for someone to win the damn format war

[14:51:39]

Kazan:

so the player prices come down

[14:51:41]

Kazan:

so i can get one

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|Torg|:

you, me and everyone else

[14:51:56]

|Torg|:

I just dont want Sony to win

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directhex|work:

someone explain to me why hd-dvd players are cheaper than blu-ray, when the only company making players is toshiba

[14:52:12]

|Torg|:

Sony can go suck rocks for all I care

[14:52:13]

Kazan:

hate sony?

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directhex|work:

whereas there's a lot of competition on blu-ray players

[14:52:22]

|Torg|:

naa, what gave you that idea

[14:52:23]

Kazan:

directhex|work: the laser i think

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directhex|work:

Kazan, both use blue diodes

[14:52:43]

Kazan:

but not the same ones is the impression i've gotten

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|Torg|:

just becase Sony rootkits my boxes and thinks im a crimnal becase I want to (gasp) watch it more then once

[14:53:04]

|Torg|:

why shoudl i ahte them

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directhex|work:

Kazan, the price delta in .uk is £400 ($800) between the cheapest options

[14:53:09]

Kazan:

there was a shortage of blue diodes for blu-ray lasers causing a constriction of supply of the ps3... but HD-DVD player manufacturers didn't have a problem

[14:53:18]

Kazan:

|Torg|: hehe

[14:53:22]

directhex|work:

Kazan, a diode isn't £400

[14:53:23]

gbee:

actually it probably comes down to the IP licensing costs of blueray

[14:53:59]

Kazan:

HD-DVD hybrid disks are clever

[14:54:02]

Kazan:

gbee: yeah

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|Torg|:

but alas directhex|work is corest, what it really comes to is who has the frist $30 wal-mart player

[14:54:44]

tjcarter:

directhex: actually Philips makes a player

[14:54:47]

tjcarter:

you can't afford it

[14:54:50]

tjcarter:

but they make one =D

[14:54:58]

directhex|work:

tjcarter, i've seen no evidence of it in .uk

[14:55:06]

Kazan:

what is the "best" format for long-term harddrive storage of 1080p/i video... best compression/image quality

[14:55:19]

tjcarter:

directhex: it's the combo blu-ray/HDDVD player

[14:55:19]

Kazan:

i believe walmart has a massive order out for HD-DVD players

[14:55:24]

|Torg|:

and Textriocs makes a real time mpeg2 encoder, I want one but not at $6000 a pop

[14:55:26]

Kazan:

saw something about it on /. a long time ago

[14:55:38]

tjcarter:

It's like $800 though

[14:55:42]

directhex|work:

tjcarter, there are a few of those. LG makes one. nobody other than tosh trusts *solely* in hd-dvd though

[14:55:46]

Kazan:

something like they cost $150/each for walmart to buy.. so they'll probably shelf at $200

[14:55:48]

|Torg|:

best is a matter of opinion

[14:55:52]

Kazan:

order size 300m units

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tjcarter:

directhex: LG = Philips ;)

[14:55:56]

directhex|work:

tjcarter, whilst there are a number who support *solely* blu-ray

[14:56:14]

tjcarter:

Consider that most of the major studios are behind blu-ray

[14:56:15]

|Torg|:

im a pixel whore, so anything that looses more pixels is bad

[14:56:18]

|Torg|:

leave it in mpeg2

[14:56:32]

Kazan:

i don't have enough storage for that

[14:56:40]

|Torg|:

get more disk :P its what i did

[14:56:43]

tjcarter:

and Toshiba has resorted in the States to trying to get Christopher Soprano to sell you their HDDVD player

[14:56:53]

|Torg|:

disk storage is cheaper then multi cpu :P

[14:56:58]

tjcarter:

Now there's a guy I'd trust any day!

[14:57:11]

tjcarter:

If he says it's the best, I am a sheep and must buy one...

[14:57:18]

Kazan:

HD-DVD has something going for it though

[14:57:19]

directhex|work:

tjcarter, disc sales in the uk are somewhat biased towards hd-dvd and against blu-ray. this is a format war with no end in sight

[14:57:22]

|Torg|:

I never claimed Toshiba understoon american culture :)

[14:57:23]

Kazan:

AACS has been cracked :D

[14:57:35]

directhex|work:

Kazan, aacs is on blu-ray too

[14:57:46]

Kazan:

i thought blu-ray had something else

[14:57:50]

directhex|work:

Kazan, the tools for ripping discs work on both formats

[14:57:52]

tjcarter:

is there libhdaacs ? ;)

[14:58:01]

directhex|work:

tjcarter, nothing so elegant yet

[14:58:07]

|Torg|:

no but the key is publicly available now

[14:58:21]

|Torg|:

I have it at home, im vpned in right now, google will find it

[14:59:34]

tjcarter:

meh, it'll happen

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|Torg|:

I belvie it wil be libdeaacs tho, not libhdaacs

[15:00:31]

|Torg|:

but we probbly shouldnt be talking about that here

[15:01:03]

RealWayhigh:

I think this "does not support a collection" error has something to do with theactive window but I'm so new to Win32::OLE that I'm not sure what to do about it.

[15:01:12]

tjcarter:

Just make sure it is only for blu-ray or Christopher Soprano will pay you a visit...

[15:06:26]

Kazan:

how much do the dual-format (HD-DVD + Blu-Ray) players cost

[15:06:52]

|Torg|:

im lookgin thought players now

[15:07:11]

|Torg|:

btw does anyone have any drm free dolby true HD samples I can test with?

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tjcarter:

Kazan: Philips is the only company that has one AFAIK, about US$800

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|Torg|:

im wondering if I have to upgrade my surround sound decoder as well as dvd player (im htinking I do) and that would be about $1000 to upgrade

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Kazan:

multiformat players cost more than my 720p 32" 16:9 HDTV

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|Torg|:

and does dolby true hd to DTS work or do I really need a truehD player

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|Torg|:

i.e. is it just more marketing hype

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, i have a nice HD-centric amp

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, i play my NES through HDMI ;)

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|Torg|:

I do DVI to HDMI now, of course no HDCP

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tjcarter:

...

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|Torg|:

and sound via Coax spdif

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|Torg|:

im pretty sure it cant do truehd and even if it could my 10 year old surround sound decoder counlt handle it

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tjcarter:

|Torg|: I assume you're emulating like mad

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|Torg|:

but does truehd sound any better?

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Kazan:

wow the $200 Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive.. has been hacked to work with XP :D

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|Torg|:

emualting, now no

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Kazan:

HDCP=fascism

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|Torg|:

I odnt HAVE hddvds

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|Torg|:

I dont know if I WANT one either

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|Torg|:

at least not now

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directhex|work:

Kazan, hacked? it's always been xp-compatible

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|Torg|:

but moving to a HD player would mean moving to a HD deocder and moving to a HDMI cable stripper of some kind as my TV had HDMI in but only sterio audo processing

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tjcarter:

I've actually been tempted to try and build a famiclone with a CF slot that could actually load .nes files and whatnot

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|Torg|:

so in oder for me to get HD dvds do I really need to outlay $800 for a new surround sound processer and $4000 for a new tv, esp when the ones I have now work fine for ATSC 1080I?

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Kazan:

if it works with atsc it works with hd dvd

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tjcarter:

I determined the problem was that the AVR I'd wind up using to provide the interface to the CF card and emulate the mappers would be more advanced than the famiclone chip

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|Torg|:

spdif cant do Tue HD or so I was told

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|Torg|:

anyoen aI gota go

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tjcarter:

and that the whole thing could probably be done just as effectively on a GPX or PSP or something

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Kazan:

which format has the better selection of movies

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tjcarter:

more of the networks release on blu-ray than HDDVD

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Kazan:

ooh.. ooh i actually have a mythtv-related question :D

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Kazan:

if i have a SD recording that is letterboxed (16:9 in 4:3 space) can transcode slice the letterbox bars off

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directhex|work:

"transcode" can

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directhex|work:

can mythtv? dunno

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Kazan:

can XvMC accelerate VC-1?

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directhex|work:

no

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directhex|work:

right now, only mpeg2

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directhex|work:

intel are working on h264

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AndyCap:

Kazan: w changes the aspect ratio, but not sure if it gets 4:3 letterbox into 16:9

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Techie_2:

Please no flame for using an ATI card, its out of my control... how do i get bt8x8x to work with a tv wonder 650, i did lsmod |grep bttv and it's loaded and lspci -v shows unknown multimedia controller ATI technologies.

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Techie_2:

sorry bt 8x8

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Techie_2:

no 8x8x

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Kazan:

how much CPU do you need to play HD unassisted by XvMC

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Kazan:

i assume pretty much any Athlon 64 X2 will do?

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tjcarter:

I wouldn't.

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tjcarter:

That's kinda pushing it a little if you also want to record

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Kazan:

X2= dual core

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Kazan:

i have no software encoder cards

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tjcarter:

I got it the first time

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tjcarter:

what're you looking at for CPU currently?

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Kazan:

rotfl my mythbox is running an athlon 2500+

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tjcarter:

Upgrade.

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Kazan:

duh

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Kazan:

i'm planning to upgrade in january

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tjcarter:

I was asking what you intended to use

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Kazan:

an athlon 64 x2

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gbee:

Kazan: that's a range of CPUs, not a specific model

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directhex|work:

Kazan, HD as in mpeg2, h264, vc1?

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Kazan:

yes

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directhex|work:

no chance

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Kazan:

no chance on an athlon 64?

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directhex|work:

precisely

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directhex|work:

not h264 anyway

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Kazan:

you have to be kidding me

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directhex|work:

mpeg2 you should be okay

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Kazan:

how much processing does h264 require?

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directhex|work:

but you won't play HD h264 realtime without a paid-for proprietary codec like coreavc

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Kazan:

ah.. not like much is in it

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Kazan:

i'm thinking mostly MPEG2, VC1, DivX6, Xvid, etc

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directhex|work:

this machine isn't remotely fast enough for h264 realtime under linux

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Kazan:

like i said.. i'm not too worried about h264

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Kazan:

almost nothing is in it

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directhex|work:

vc1 you have even less chance

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tjcarter:

Almost everything I have is h264 now..

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directhex|work:

and almost all HD in europe is h264

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tjcarter:

of course, I don't do it unassisted ;)

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gbee:

directhex|work: threaded h264 decoder in current ffmpeg should do it fine

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directhex|work:

gbee, is that in ffmpeg head?

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gbee:

yep

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Kazan:

so... how much does H264 decoding take.. because it sounds like the most processor intensive

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directhex|work:

gbee, so when does that get yanked into myth?

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tjcarter:

VC-1/AVC are pretty much the future of these things

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gbee:

hell, I can *almost* do h264 with ffmpeg head on my single core 1.6Ghx cpu

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directhex|work:

Kazan, get a decent core2, i suppose. you can always try

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tjcarter:

I am partial to AVC

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directhex|work:

gbee, with a real TS, or just a random file?

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gbee:

directhex|work: in a week or two, we're waiting for any bugs from the -vid merge to be fixed first

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gbee:

directhex|work: real TS, recorded from the BBC HD test mux in London

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tjcarter:

My Core Duo can play 1080i AVC, but it's using the video hardware to its fullest to help [lay it.

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directhex|work:

i don't get a/v in sync on this machine with any of the test files

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Kazan:

got a link to a h264 test file? i'll chuck it at my Athlon 64 X2 4200+, RAdeon X1900XT

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Kazan:

i'll test in both windows and linux

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directhex|work:

http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/

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Kazan:

which file should i use? any?

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directhex|work:

the bbc one's a good example

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directhex|work:

since you can see if it's slow

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Kazan:

k

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SiD3WiNDR:

**** Your system is too SLOW to play this! ****

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** SiD3WiNDR grins **

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RealWayhigh:

hahaha awesome

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RealWayhigh:

speaking of slow.. is everyone's mythtv super slow or just mine?

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Yahooadam:

wtf does a HD.ts file play with

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gbee:

Yahooadam: just stick mpg on the end of it

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gbee:

you probably won't get smooth HD playback in mythtv/linux without a dual-core processor, but I'd think that any Athlon 64 x2 currently on sale should handle it fine in 0.21

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Kazan:

well with trunk my athlon 2500+ with XvMC on am nvidia board gives me smooth plaback

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Kazan:

but i ant my color OSD back

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gbee:

sorry, should subsitute HD with h264 HD

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Kazan:

s/ant/want and i want to be able to play HD encoded in other formats

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|Torg|:

mostly if it can play h262 HD it can ply h264 HD, mostly

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|Torg|:

my box used about 10% more CPU to do x264

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, so how well do those sample files play for you?

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|Torg|:

err h264, duhh x264 is what I play it with

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|Torg|:

the Elephants Dream one plays nicly

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gbee:

Kazan one of the new OSDs/renderers in trunk might give you a colour OSD and still allow you to playback mpeg2 HD

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|Torg|:

directhex|work if you have any other samples ill run them to show you

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, as linked above

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, elephant's dream is a poor test

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|Torg|:

which is best?

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directhex|work:

go for the BBC one

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directhex|work:

it's a short clip from kill bill

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Kazan:

gbee: really? color OSD when using XvMC?

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tjcarter:

THE CSS, it BURNS!!

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|Torg|:

duhh leme go turn on the FE first before I try to download to it :P

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laga:

Kazan: have you tried the chromakey osd hack?

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Kazan:

laga: my nvidia card is too new

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tjcarter:

xris: who do I have to abuse about SD's CSS? ;)

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laga:

sad

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|Torg|:

CSS rocks!

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xris:

tjcarter: me. :)

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xris:

what's broken?

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gbee:

Kazan: no idea to be honest, but I thought the colour OSD hacks got put in the -vid branch and that has now been merged with trunk

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Yahooadam:

it is a pretty good FPS :p

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Kazan:

chromakey hacks only work with 4xxx and 5xxx nVidia

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Kazan:

i have a 6200

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|Torg|:

whats the chromaky hack?

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MaxeyPad:

I have issues playing x264 on my dual core 2gb laptop (intel vid card though) with vlc. is that more because of my video than the processor?

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gbee:

Kazan: there were other changes too though, so who knows? :)

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Kazan:

|Torg|: allows 4xxx and 5xxx nVidia boards to have color OSD when using XvMC

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Kazan:

gbee: i'm using trunk

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|Torg|:

hmm I dunno if I care, but where is it?

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Kazan:

wtb: documentation

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directhex|work:

MaxeyPad, no, because VLX doesn't do any offloading of the video playback, so it's 100% cpu bound

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MaxeyPad:

basically 'm just trying to gauge hardware requirements for my media center. anyone know where I can find recipes for hardware with mythtv I've googled

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Yahooadam:

well i cant play that HD video in windows, cos i dont have the codec :p

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Kazan:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Gre . . . a_4_.26_5.29

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MaxeyPad:

directhex|work: what programs offload?

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directhex|work:

MaxeyPad, on linux? none of them. yet. on windows, a few codecs do offloading into GPU

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tjcarter:

xris: the red.. Contrast is very low

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|Torg|:

wait Kazan, is your OSD blank and white?

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gbee:

Kazan: have you tried the xvmc-opengl renderer with the opengl OSD?

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tjcarter:

xris: also, your sidebar doesn't grow to accommodate text

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** tjcarter has his fonts forced a bit larger **

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Kazan:

|Torg|: when using XvMC your OSD goes black and white

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|Torg|:

mine dosnt

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Kazan:

gbee: unstable

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tjcarter:

(many sites have that particular problem..)

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Kazan:

|Torg|: then you're not using XvMC

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xris:

tjcarter: really? I know the red is a little annoying to some people, but I had to match the logo (short notice, and I'm not a designer).

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|Torg|:

I am

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Kazan:

what card

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|Torg|:

5900

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MaxeyPad:

directhex|work: I would think that a 2GB laptop with dual core would be enough to play x264....am I missing something or how are other people successfully doing it

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xris:

sidebar should grow horizontally.. I'm going to move stuff out of it to accommodate vertical growth.

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Kazan:

it's a 5xxx series card

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Kazan:

you probably have chromakey on and don't know it

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tjcarter:

It's not growing horizontally

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|Torg|:

I also run 0.23

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Kazan:

MaxeyPad: video card assistance

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Kazan:

um.. tat doesn't exist yet

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xris:

actually, I'm wrong. it was supposed to, but doesn't. that much is easy to fix.

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directhex|work:

MaxeyPad, with a faster codec than the standard single-threaded one used by most linux apps

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Kazan:

trunk is .21

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Kazan:

and i'm using trunk

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gbee:

|Torg|: if XvMC is enabled, but fails to work then we quitely fall back to normal decoding so you may not actually be using XvMC after all

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|Torg|:

ok its svn trunk

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|Torg|:

sorry yes I mistyped it

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|Torg|:

gbee acording to my X logs xvmc is working

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Kazan:

brb

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gbee:

Kazan: unstable because you've tried it or because Daniel says so?

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Kazan:

check your frontend log

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tjcarter:

this might not work.

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Kazan:

gbee: i tried it

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Kazan:

gbee: it was hardlocking my entire system

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Kazan:

especially when attempting to watch DVDs

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gbee:

|Torg|: hmm, well guess it's possible that Daniel merged in the Chromakey hack into trunk at an earlier date without me noticing

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Yahooadam:

wtf, that h.264 test wont work on my computer lol

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Yahooadam:

well it works for a second or 2, then proccesor usage hits 100% and it chokes

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directhex|work:

Yahooadam, indeed.

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xris:

tjcarter: says "waiting for xfer to begin"

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|Torg|:

directhex|work its fgreamedropping, mythfrotnend is going to 100% cpu

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|Torg|:

5756 mythtv 15 0 500m 338m 96m S 100 33.5 0:39.05 mythfrontend

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|Torg|:

5580 root 16 0 143m 120m 71m S 6 12.0 0:04.05 Xorg

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tjcarter:

there's a problem with irssi and the DCC masq module

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|Torg|:

so maybe it cant play h264 like I thoguht

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tjcarter:

I don't know what it is..

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, o rly?

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Yahooadam:

plus my computer is a opty 185 (dual core) and a 8800GTX, its hardly a slouch .....

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|Torg|:

yes, the bbc one bte is some litle girl

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tjcarter:

xris: http://yumi.bluecherry.net/~tjcarter/Picture%203.png

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gbee:

h.264 decoding takes a _lot_ of CPU – all that compression has its downside

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Yahooadam:

awww why dont u want QVC listings :p

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, the bbc one is early on in Kill Bill.

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tjcarter:

Not buying crap.

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Yahooadam:

An opty 185 is a 2.6ghz dual core piece, its the best AMD proc out ....

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|Torg|:

ok directhex|work, I never saw kill bill so I dunno

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|Torg|:

just wanted to make sure I had the correct one

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directhex|work:

gbee, i like pulling out that x264.nl link, every time someone says "i can play h264 fine"

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Yahooadam:

well b4 they launched quad core yesterday

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gbee:

directhex|work: heh

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|Torg|:

Yahooadam are they out yet?

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directhex|work:

gbee, hell, i wouldn't try it on my altix!

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tjcarter:

okay, now how do I set up a different set of channels on the same source? (That's in -fixes isn't it? Or requires trunk?)

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Yahooadam:

yeah, but only for servers really

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directhex|work:

1) opteron is slow

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directhex|work:

2) quad core is useless for single-threaded things

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gbee:

opteron is a workhorse, not a racehorse

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Yahooadam:

.....

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Yahooadam:

you guys have no idea what your on about lol

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directhex|work:

Yahooadam, assume i have access to bigger kit than you

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gbee:

but just wait for the threaded h.264 decoder

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directhex|work:

Yahooadam, opteron is a slow chip compared to xeon, except in very specific workloads

[16:07:47]

Yahooadam:

The opterons perform the same as their consumer grade counterparts

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Yahooadam:

and it was my understanding that optys still kick the xeons ass in server enviroments

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directhex|work:

Yahooadam, yes. and the consumer-grade counterparts are slower than intel's consumer grade counterparts

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Yahooadam:

thats true

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directhex|work:

jms@orac:~> grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo

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directhex|work:

152

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Yahooadam:

however, a dual core 2.6ghz part is not slow, its not even close

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directhex|work:

assume i have access to more heavy-duty loads than you. xeon is faster, except for 100% ram-bound code.

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|Torg|:

directhex|work what is that box?

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, a little machine called orac. makes for quite a smooth suse desktop

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|Torg|:

if its reporting 152 cores, I want to know what it is

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|Torg|:

its not a desktop, its a server, a higher end midrang one at that

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directhex|work:

http://osc.ox.ac.uk/var/img/altix4700.jpg

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Yahooadam:

looks rather like a fileserver to me

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directhex|work:

by "higher end midrange", only two companies do single system image that big

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Yahooadam:

unless each of those boxes is actually a computer

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directhex|work:

Yahooadam, yep

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tjcarter:

is it normal for two different listings sources to sometimes wind up with recording the same episode of a thing twice?

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directhex|work:

right, hometime

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|Torg|:

I was thiknig it was maybe one of those quad core with HT that lie about the cpu count

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|Torg|:

so I was thinking it was a a superdome, crey (alal sun 15K, 25K) derivitive

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|Torg|:

or somethign similar, its why I asked

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tjcarter:

That's the main reason I'm trying to figure out how to select channels from a listing source by input

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Yahooadam:

anyway, you said you could play h.264 on any decent ish X2 proccesor

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|Torg|:

most of the higher end boxes I hav done performance tuning on dont suffer from slow cpu, they suffer from not fast enough service quees

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|Torg|:

more cpus fixes service queue, not more core

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Kazan:

wow

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Kazan:

why is h264 such a cpu whore

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Yahooadam:

cos it sux :p

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Yahooadam:

i could probably play it fine if i bought nvidia pure video

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Kazan:

Athlon X2 4200+ w/ 2GB DDR2, Radeon X1900XT

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Yahooadam:

i just cba lol

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Kazan:

windows, PowerDVD

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|Torg|:

directhex|work any idea why elephants dream plays fine but that bbc one dosnt?

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Kazan:

H264 = maximum CPU usage... including plaback issues

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Kazan:

MPEG2 straight off QAM256 = 10–20% cpu

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Yahooadam:

wont play in powerdvd for me

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|Torg|:

Kazan 20% of one cpu != 20% of another

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Yahooadam:

how did u get the codec kazan ?

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Kazan:

the kill bill sample did

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Kazan:

|Torg|: Task MAnager said 20% overall

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Kazan:

Yahooadam: was included....

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Kazan:

no audio on the Kill Bill sample though

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|Torg|:

20% of a 1ghz core is less then 10% ofa 3ghz core

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Kazan:

|Torg|: i told you what my core was

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Kazan:

for reference you know.. so you could do the Amdahl's law work yourself

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|Torg|:

then I wasnt paying attention or more likly was drinvg home

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Kazan:

i said it just before aying my CPU util

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Kazan:

[11:14] <Kazan> Athlon X2 4200+ w/ 2GB DDR2, Radeon X1900XT

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gbee:

Kazan: h.264 means a huge amount of information compress into a tiny space (relatively), that means some pretty complicated calculations when decompressing it and that means CPU power

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Yahooadam:

wheres the kill bill sample ?

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Kazan:

http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/

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Kazan:

bbc.hd.ts

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|Torg|:

http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/

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Kazan:

gbee: os it's just really compressed.. ok

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Yahooadam:

oh it was the bbc one

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gbee:

the same video encoded into mpeg2 wouldn't need nearly as much CPU but the filesize would be much bigger

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|Torg|:

are thes typical examples, or are the stress tests?

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Yahooadam:

well i tryed to play that in WMP and PowerDVD, no luck

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tjcarter:

okay, assuming this works, I have successfully upgraded to SD =D

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Yahooadam:

VLC will play it cos it has codecs built in

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Kazan:

VLC is a bit of a pain sometimes for me

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tjcarter:

Sometimes?

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|Torg|:

my VLC has spots of blck pixels in it, I think its a codec thing tho

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|Torg|:

does it with mpeg2 as well

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|Torg|:

gbee my xvmc is working fine, my osd is in blue (well I use blootube) and I didnt hack any colorkeys

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|Torg|:

myth.log:2007-09–11 11:28:41.742 XvMCSurfaceTypes::find(w 1920, h 1080, chroma 1, vld 0, idct 1, mpeg2, sub-width 0, sub-height 0, disp, p<= 278, 2470 <=p, port, surfNum)

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Kazan:

chroma 1

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Kazan:

looks like you have chromakey working

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|Torg|:

I didnt set it

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Yahooadam:

bah

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Yahooadam:

was installing ET:QW, started playing doom

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Yahooadam:

and now ET:QW installer barfed cos my resolution settings were different

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|Torg|:

it must be in .21 by default now, I didnt do anything more then compile it --enable-xvmc

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Kazan:

VideoOutputXv: XvMC Adaptor Name: 'NV17 Video Texture'

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** Kazan turns XvMC use textures off **

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Kazan:

any idea where the heck axel is

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Kazan:

i need him to make lirc-kmdl's for 2.6.22

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ole_schoola:

whats wrong with the ones out there?

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Kazan:

they don't exist....

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Kazan:

or do they and are just not in his repo

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ole_schoola:

hmm, i have one for x64

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ole_schoola:

not that i've gotten round to trying the receiver in my hd homerun yet, always used a keyboard on this fe

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Kazan:

i thought axel built his packages himself :P

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ole_schoola:

i think he has a little build farm going

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Kazan:

well i can't find a lirc-kdml for 2.6.22

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ole_schoola:

have you tried a mirror or his direct ftp site? here's a uk mirror for x64: http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/atrpms/dl.at . . . 7.x86_64.rpm

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ole_schoola:

sorry, german mirror

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Kazan:

ich kann deutsch liesen :D

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Kazan:

though i'm a more than a bit rusty

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** ole_schoola goes out for a celebration cig, finally fixes borked nvidia install **

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Kazan:

celebratory poisoning of oneself?

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ole_schoola:

trolling are we?

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Yahooadam:

lol

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ole_schoola:

and i just gave you a link for the kernel module you need?

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Yahooadam:

cmon lets not fight ;)

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ole_schoola:

anyway, axel's website != the actual download site. always try checking dl.atrpms.net if the web index is missing something

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ole_schoola:

awww, and i was going to tell him to might me out back after school

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Kazan:

actually that's lirc 0.8.2 and i think i need 0.8.3

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Kazan:

plus that's a 2.6.21 not 2.6.22

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Kazan:

hence whhy i didn't say anything beyond "i can read german"

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ole_schoola:

how about: http://dl.atrpms.net/f7-x86_64/atrpms/stable/ . . . 7.x86_64.rpm

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ole_schoola:

my bad, i copied the wrong text block, the second is straight from axel's

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Kazan:

woot.. but i need i386 :(

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Dagmar:

Since when

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Kazan:

since i always said

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ole_schoola:

change .../x86_64/... to /i386/ and you are good to go

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Dagmar:

I find it hard to believe that anyone in their right mind would run 386-targeted binaries on their MythTV box

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** Kazan found em **

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Dagmar:

There is no 386 you would EVER want to run this on.

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** Kazan rolleyes **

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Kazan:

you're being a bit too literal

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ole_schoola:

http://dl.atrpms.net/f7-i386/atrpms/stable/li . . . fc7.i686.rpm

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Kazan:

Fedora is "i386" for non-64bit and x86_64 for 64-bit

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Kazan:

ty

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Dagmar:

If the package name says "i386" then either the package is safe to run on a 386, or the person that built it made a big mistake

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ole_schoola:

axel simply names the 32 bits as i386 and the 64 bit one x86_64

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Dagmar:

That package is an i686 package

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Kazan:

which is what i need

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xris:

Dagmar: actually, red hat builds their stuff as i386, optimized for p4

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ole_schoola:

exactly, now hu's on first?

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Dagmar:

xris: Well, I guess they like slow

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laga:

i build my packages with -Omgsofast

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xris:

their tests found that it was faster/more reliable than i586, just as fast as i686 and didn't want to go to i686 because it excludes a bunch of epia boards

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Dagmar:

I guess they hate cmov as much as VIA then

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xris:

my understanding is that it just means that all of the p4-optimization stuff is optional in the compiled code, rather than required

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xris:

Dagmar: well, and they didn't want to leave a bunch of customers out in the cold

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Dagmar:

I've been under the impression that it's not going to use any insructions an 386 chip can't handle when you do that

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Dagmar:

You wouldn't want to have myth binaries without cmov

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laga:

i do have them.

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Dagmar:

ffmpeg goes hella slow without

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laga:

they work fine on my celeron 733 for SD content :)

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Kazan:

i build my myth from svn

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Kazan:

the package ole and i was talking about was kernel modules for lirc

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ole_schoola:

i was wandering around axel's repo without the lights on, finally found the one he was looking for

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ole_schoola:

now it really is time for that smoke

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|Torg|:

whats the differnce between libXvMCW and libXvMCWNVIDIA, other then the obvious one is form NVIDIA

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|Torg|:

both work for me, the former seeming to be smoother, Nvidias pops a bit when it first starting up where as the former does not

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Kazan:

mkrufky: does Hauppauge send you test hardware?

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Kazan:

|Torg|: W is a wrapper

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|Torg|:

yes Kazan and woulds would NVIDIAs be

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Kazan:

huh?

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|Torg|:

sorry I was misreading the docs

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tugrul:

does anyone know how to send ENTER key with remote control? (lirc)

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mkrufky:

Kazan: hello

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mkrufky:

umm....

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Dr_Willis:

tugrul try sending a control-j ?

[17:14:31]

** mkrufky got hired to work at Hauppauge full time **

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mkrufky:

so... they need not "send" me test hardware ;-)

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tugrul:

Dr_Willis, nice idea, but how? :)

[17:14:55]

Kazan:

niiice

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mkrufky:

and there.... now i finally said it in public... #mythtv-users, you are the first to know

[17:15:01]

Kazan:

so they pay you to write linux drivers for their stuff

[17:15:04]

mkrufky:

no,

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Kazan:

what do you do for them?

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Dr_Willis:

tugrul no idea. I gae up on the remotes.. I got a wireless keyboard – ultumate remote. :)

[17:15:18]

mkrufky:

i start tomorrow

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mkrufky:

:-D

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mkrufky:

im officially "in between jobs" right now

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tugrul:

:P thanks anyway Dr_Willis

[17:15:39]

GreyFoxx:

mkrufky: Cool, what kind of job ?

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mkrufky:

driver / application devel

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mkrufky:

for windows

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GreyFoxx:

Nice

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mkrufky:

and this will _not_ hurt my ability to work on linux stuff

[17:16:05]

GreyFoxx:

will you be allowed to use knowledge you aquire on linux stuff ?

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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mkrufky:

in fact, it will greatly benefit my linux work

[17:16:19]

GreyFoxx:

nice

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mkrufky:

(and it will not stop me from supporting competitor products)

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Kazan:

knowing the interface can't hurt

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GreyFoxx:

I've always had special clauses put into work contracts stating they can;'t go after me for anythingI write outside of work :)

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** Kazan has no idea how one would write device drivers **

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mkrufky:

I got FusionHDTV5 Express working this weekend

[17:17:13]

mkrufky:

well, they will prefer that i work on their products at a higher priotity

[17:17:29]

GreyFoxx:

certainly :)

[17:17:43]

mkrufky:

and naturally, since i'll have the information that I'd need more readily available, naturally i will be quicker to work on that stuff

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mkrufky:

heheh ive been itching to spill the beans

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|Torg|:

so mkrufky next time you get a dvb-s2 card and make the driver, befoer you thorw out eh hardware, send it my way :)

[17:18:19]

mkrufky:

now i did :-)

[17:18:37]

mkrufky:

haha... i'll never throw out the hardware — i need to be able to do regression testing

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** mkrufky , however, isn't touching dvb-s2 with a ten foot pole **

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Kazan:

i'll trade you my ATSC 110 for a HVR1800 when you get them working :P

[17:19:11]

mkrufky:

hvr1800 is fully working already

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Kazan:

in linux?

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mkrufky:

yes

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Kazan:

both parts?

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mkrufky:

oh, well the analog stuff is working in the devel sandbox, which hasnt been published yet

[17:19:44]

Kazan:

thought you said only the ATSC/QAM worked

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|Torg|:

mkrufky its not that I dont aprecaite that you made the drivers for it, but why would I use that over my air2pc cards?

[17:19:52]

mkrufky:

yeah, only atsc works

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Kazan:

yeah

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mkrufky:

ah, and qam doesnt work yet, but will soon

[17:20:03]

Kazan:

it'll be a while before i upgrade

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mkrufky:

|Torg|: i'm not trying to sell you anything

[17:20:21]

Kazan:

maybe by january they'll have the double-1800 (3600?) up on the market

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** ole_schoola runs to go dig out his 500 and ask all kinds of questions **

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|Torg|:

no I dint think you wer

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|Torg|:

but since you nkow the hardware you coudl tell me why it was better

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Kazan:

because then i can retire my 150 and my atsc 110 and just have the double-1800 and my 500

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mkrufky:

|Torg|: what would you like me to compare? i might have missed something

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|Torg|:

other then this pign pci-e and i have a pci card

[17:20:50]

Kazan:

or maybe just retire the 150

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Kazan:

|Torg|: what are you asking?

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|Torg|:

mkrufky basicly im trying to see if its justifiable to upgrade my air2pc cards

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** mkrufky is confused by |Torg| 's question **

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Kazan:

why the 1800 is better?

[17:21:31]

mkrufky:

|Torg|: if *what* us a justifiable upgrade from the air2pc ?

[17:21:32]

Kazan:

the Hauppauge HVR1800 is like the PVR-500.. except one head is HD

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mkrufky:

s/us/is

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Kazan:

and it's PCI-e

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|Torg|:

like the DVICO card you psted about

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ole_schoola:

Torg: I just upped from 2.6.18 to 2.6.22 and my airstars went kaput, need a kernel patch

[17:21:51]

mkrufky:

oh

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mkrufky:

|Torg|: its not a justifiable upgrade at all

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Kazan:

mkrufky: mind if i open a query to you?

[17:22:18]

mkrufky:

|Torg|: the air2pc stuff is in a class of its own — they have PID filters, saves TONS of bandwidth on your system bus

[17:22:36]

mkrufky:

|Torg|: if anything, i'd say to get the air2pc HD5000, because it has QAM support, where the older ones dont

[17:22:40]

laga:

mkrufky: is hardware PID filtering commonly used by apps, eg mythtv?

[17:22:46]

mkrufky:

totally, laga

[17:22:53]

laga:

that's cool then

[17:23:09]

mkrufky:

it's used when you're recording a specific PID, and not the full TS

[17:23:19]

laga:

mkrufky: i don't know the API so i was wondering if such a capability was announced to the app

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|Torg|:

laga yes mine uses it

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ole_schoola:

hmmm, i just started using the hdhomerun inplace of a pair of hd500's, much better captures from the OTA antenna

[17:23:43]

laga:

nice

[17:23:56]

mkrufky:

tbh, laga, i havent looked at mythtv code much.... the app can get full TS if it wants to, and not use the PID filters....

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|Torg|:

and I dont need QAM currently, ther is no digital cable her and ther isnt likly to be

[17:24:19]

Kazan:

|Torg|: where are you?

[17:24:22]

mkrufky:

if it's not broken, then dont fix it, |Torg| :-)

[17:25:04]

mkrufky:

did i miss anybody's question? i just got a lot of attention all at once

[17:25:06]

|Torg|:

Texas

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|Torg|:

yes mkrufky, and thats my line :)

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mkrufky:

:-D

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jarle:

is it possible to have mythmusic keep playing in the background while I continue to configuring the frontend?

[17:26:44]

** ole_schoola shutting down the be to yank out the never-been-used pvr-500 **

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|Torg|:

jarle I WISH

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Kazan:

you have a pvr-500 and never used it?

[17:27:06]

Kazan:

how many tuners do you have

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laga:

jarle: no

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jarle:

|Torg|: I guess that mythtv does not have a system to tell the plugin when it needs to let go of the audio-device...

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jarle:

|Torg|: as my frontend is also a full desktop, I'll just as well fire up amarok in the background... :)

[17:29:03]

|Torg|:

I use mpg123

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ole_schoola:

2 HD5000's (no longer in use, see above), and hdhr and a pvr-350

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|Torg|:

mkrufky is the a linux driver for a Cat's Eye 164e or simpalr dual tuner ATSC?

[17:30:31]

ole_schoola:

and the questionable 500

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mkrufky:

|Torg|: not cats eye

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mkrufky:

|Torg|: but similar...........

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mkrufky:

there is a driver, but the hardware is not available yet ;-)

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|Torg|:

didnt think there was one for a cats eye

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mkrufky:

brb

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|Torg|:

about the only ting I can see maybe upgrading is getting roid of that old AMD 1500 its sitting in, probbly needing a pci-e tuner card

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|Torg|:

anyways I gota go too

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kslater:

ole_schoola – you selling those HD5000's?

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mkrufky:

the HD5000 is truly a superior product, IMHO

[17:36:07]

mkrufky:

the LG tuner does a great job, and those PID filters are very useful

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mkrufky:

too bad there arent more like it

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Kazan:

mkrufky: so you said a double-HVR1800 is coming?

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mkrufky:

i said nothing like that

[17:37:05]

mkrufky:

cough cough

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mkrufky:

umm...

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mkrufky:

DViCO has a double FusionHDTV 5 Express coming

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mkrufky:

and i already added support for it :-D

[17:37:36]

mkrufky:

but i dont know when it will come

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Yahooadam:

did mkrufky just say somthing he shouldnt have :p

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Kazan:

i want two analog and two digital tuners on one PCI-Express

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Yahooadam:

perhaps under a NDA he cant acknowledge :p

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mkrufky:

if dvico is doing it, PROBABLY the other vendors will do it too ;-)

[17:38:07]

** mkrufky is not under any nda with dvico **

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mkrufky:

...but i know all about their products

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Yahooadam:

:p

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kslater:

who is mkrufky? :)

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fryfrog:

cool, a dual hd tuner card with linux supports

[17:40:05]

fryfrog:

i'd trade in my two air2pc cards for one of those

[17:40:35]

fryfrog:

anyone use any of those free/pay offsite internets backup programs? like mozy?

[17:41:25]

Kazan:

mkrufky is some newb that works for hauppauge.. n here to be a corporate shill :P j/k :D :D

[17:42:29]

mkrufky:

i dont work for them

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mkrufky:

(yet)

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mkrufky:

but as of tomorrow

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mkrufky:

:-)

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mike3_:

fantastic.... it's about 2pm now and I'm falling asleep.. damnit

[17:43:03]

Kazan:

details details

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Yahooadam:

i wanna mount a complaint then mkrufky :p

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Yahooadam:

i have an old hauppage card, can u make it work with mythtv :p

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Yahooadam:

would probably be more useful if i found out what model it was

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mkrufky:

you're kidding me, Yahooadam

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mkrufky:

Yahooadam: analog card? go to #v4l

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mkrufky:

i highly doubt that it's not supported

[17:45:12]

Yahooadam:

dunno, its pretty old :p

[17:45:13]

mkrufky:

almost all hauppauge stuff has full linux support

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mkrufky:

ESPECIALLY the old stuff

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Yahooadam:

pre MCE/mythtv/whatever

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Yahooadam:

it works with their (shocking) wintv 2000 program

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Yahooadam:

ill look into it though :)

[17:46:48]

Kazan:

is it in a box?

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Kazan:

lspci -vv

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mkrufky:

i'll help you in #v4l, Yahooadam .... but just realize im working here on other things too... will be a bit slow to respond

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ole_schoola:

kslater: not sure what to do with them yet. i'll hold that thought tho

[18:03:12]

ole_schoola:

i have an old 6200 nvidia pci card which could replace the aging mx440. any reason not to use a 6200 series for either s-video or dvi->hdmi output?

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fryfrog:

ole_schoola: I use a pci-e 6100 or 6200 (i forget) for dvi -> hdmi output, works fine

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ole_schoola:

fryfrog: ah good, but meant to type agp — sb no matter

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ole_schoola:

getting ready to completely replace the be, just loaded fc7 and 20.2 on it yesterday

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directhex:

moo

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ole_schoola:

thought i'd play with sw before all the new hw gets here

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Yahooadam:

kk mkrufky

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Yahooadam:

well ill get the card out of the loft, or wherever i stored it lol

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Yahooadam:

find out what it is :p

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mkrufky:

ok

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ole_schoola:

omg, i forgot i'd lent it out to a windows guy. i think he never tried it

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Yahooadam:

are u a UKian ?

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Yahooadam:

and how long might u be online, cos i gotta go help my dad screw some wood together or sommin

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tjcarter:

340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,455 is not a small number. It is a very big number.

[18:46:21]

BULLE:

tjcarter: depends on what you compare it with doesnt it ?

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tjcarter:

BULLE: 2,147,483,647 ;)

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BULLE:

hehe

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tjcarter:

Unfortunately, hell will freeze before there is native zfs in Linux =(

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BULLE:

tjcarter: hmmm, what licence is opensolaris released under ? its not gpl but the sun specific licence, right ?

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BULLE:

and, im not sure zfs is THAT cool anyway

[18:53:04]

BULLE:

you cant even use it as rootfs in solaris yet

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tjcarter:

BULLE: Yes, reasonably enough licensed though, and YES it is that cool.

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BULLE:

tjcarter: i think i have seen some official statement from some sun chap that they atleast are considering also releasing solaris under gpl

[18:54:01]

BULLE:

tjcarter: as they picked gpl for the jdk

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BULLE:

tjcarter: so what is the killer feature of zfs that one just need to have ?

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fryfrog:

snapshotting i think is one i saw and liked?

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fryfrog:

i wouldn't say it is a killer feature, but it'd replace my rsnapshot :)

[18:56:42]

BULLE:

fryfrog: you can snapshotting with lvm

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tjcarter:

BULLE: snapshots.

[18:57:05]

BULLE:

tjcarter: how do they differ from the snapshots already available via lvm in linux ?

[18:57:16]

tjcarter:

They're faster

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BULLE:

how much faster ?

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psofa_:

its not like you snapshot all day :P

[18:57:35]

BULLE:

psofa_: indeed

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tjcarter:

You haven't heard of Apple's Time Machine have you?

[18:58:03]

BULLE:

aplles time machine ? nope

[18:58:33]

BULLE:

i kind of dislike apple to be honest, not their actual products per se, but their marketing and their crippling of products

[18:58:41]

BULLE:

i like their hardware, and os

[18:58:45]

BULLE:

dislike the company

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Slyboots:

Hmm.. Cant seem to get any machines outside the backend to connect (Via Mythfrontend)

[18:58:53]

tjcarter:

From the GUI standpoint, you push a little button on your Dock, and your current window is repeated in space back into a vortex..

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BULLE:

tjcarter: and ?

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Slyboots:

Set the IP addresses correctly, and added permission for mythtv to access the SQL database from anyone on the ip-range

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BULLE:

tjcarter: sounds like your normal apple eyecandy to me

[18:59:31]

tjcarter:

you can move back and forth through this, each one being a previous snapshot of the directory at 15 minute intervals

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tjcarter:

as far back as you have HD space for on your Time Machine drive

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BULLE:

tjcarter: ah, now thats intresting

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tjcarter:

and you can pull files off those versions of the window and bring them forward

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Slyboots:

When I start mythfrontend, I get..

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Slyboots:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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tjcarter:

UNIXically speaking, you have your entire filesystem in a timestamped directory

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Slyboots:

Basicly it fails to connect to the SQL server

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directhex:

there's little you can do with ZFS that isn't also technically possible with XFS

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Kazan:

ok.. why is it that every time i start XvMC it starts succesfully but i get an "X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8" with some more info in my log

[19:01:32]

directhex:

some, sure, but nobody makes full use of existing filesystems, a new one wouldn't help matters

[19:01:35]

Yahooadam:

slyboots, you need to open the SQL server to the world

[19:01:40]

pointer:

is there a nice shiny doc somewhere that will tell me how to use the latest version of xmltv with my old version of myth (so I don't have to go upgrading a ton of frontends)?

[19:01:57]

directhex:

pointer, xmltv? update xmltv. zap2it? sorry, update myth

[19:01:59]

Kazan:

why don't you just upgrade

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tjcarter:

pointer: what version is your FE?

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pointer:

because it would involve upgrading a few more frontends than I want to think about upgrading

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Yahooadam:

Next, you need to edit the mysql configuration to allow outside hosts to connect: $ sudo nano /etc/mysql/my.cnf Look for the line that reads: bind-address= 127.0.0.1 and comment out that line by placing a # at the beginning.

[19:02:45]

Kazan:

you have to mess with them either way

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pointer:

tjcarter: 0.20{something}

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Kazan:

xmltv requires up to date xmltv

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tjcarter:

pointer: just upgrade BE

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Kazan:

just upgrade

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Slyboots:

Well, In the user adminstartion, I added Mythtv@192.168.1.%

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tjcarter:

pointer: you don't ahve to upgrade FEs if you're already running 0.20

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Yahooadam:

slyboots, that wont work

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Slyboots:

Which should allow mythtv to access the database from any ip in the 192.168.1.0 range

[19:03:18]

pointer:

it takes a _really_ long time to compile mythfrontend on some of the frontends

[19:03:19]

Yahooadam:

you have to do what i just said

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Kazan:

tjcarter: he might

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Slyboots:

Oh?

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Kazan:

if he's running original .20 he will

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Kazan:

because .20-fixes contains a proto change

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Slyboots:

Okay.. two secs

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pointer:

I thought the developers bumped the PROTOCOL_VERSION flag after every revision...that's what I ran into before...

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tjcarter:

Kazan: *sigh* Can we have UPnP AV now please? =D

[19:04:12]

Kazan:

um... no

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Kazan:

and why are you asking me

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tjcarter:

pointer: if you're running -fixes (I forgot about original 0.20), you're good.

[19:04:20]

Kazan:

i'm not a mythdev

[19:04:24]

Kazan:

i have too many other dev responsibilities

[19:04:24]

flithm:

hey everyone... I upgraded to svn-14450 a few days ago from 142xx-ish, and now when I'm watching recordings the OSD's jitter a bit (although the jitter stops when I pause). Anyone know what's going on here?

[19:04:25]

Yahooadam:

UPnP = teh sux

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directhex:

pointer, do you want to update xmltv, or update to use SD instead of zap2it?

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tjcarter:

Yahooadam: UPnP AV is pretty clever.

[19:04:47]

Kazan:

flatronf701B: deinterlace is enabled by default...?

[19:04:51]

directhex:

upnp is a lovely theory. like communism!

[19:04:58]

tjcarter:

It's totally inconsistently implemented, but meh

[19:05:00]

Yahooadam:

exactly directhex :p

[19:05:02]

Slyboots:

Right, Changes made and I've restarted the SQL database

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tjcarter:

(usually inconsistently implemented by Microsoft..)

[19:05:14]

Kazan:

directhex: upnp has been tried large scale though :P

[19:05:18]

Yahooadam:

yep slyboots

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pointer:

directhex: I was just using mythfilldatabase....I paid for an SD subscription...and I downloaded and setup the latest version of xmltv from like sunday....

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Kazan:

pointer: what version are you running across your install base?

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Kazan:

.20 or .20-fixes?

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directhex:

pointer, right. sorry, SD requires myth 0.20.2, which has a different protocol version to 0.20. if you have 0.20-fixes, you ought to be okay with updating the backend only

[19:06:01]

Kazan:

because if you're using .20-fixes you may be able to only upgrade the backend

[19:06:13]

Kazan:

what distro are you using? install binaries

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pointer:

Kazan: good question...I _think_ it's with -fixes, what's the protocol version of -fixes?

[19:06:31]

Kazan:

35

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Kazan:

type mythbackend --version

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pointer:

well...it started out as debian-unstable about 4 years ago...and has been upgraded since

[19:07:30]

pointer:

Kazan: checking

[19:07:48]

flithm:

can anyone explain to me how the new video playback profiles work (or is there a wiki page)? what are the first and second sets of numbers? (rez is one, the other is unnamed)

[19:08:01]

Slyboots:

Bah! Figures

[19:08:10]

Slyboots:

The version of MythFrontend Im using is out of date -.-

[19:08:41]

directhex:

Kazan, which changeset did the proto bump? the wiki only shows <=34

[19:08:57]

Kazan:

directhex: hmm lemme poke

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pointer:

Kazan: Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3

[19:09:03]

Kazan:

i'm using head btw

[19:09:11]

tjcarter:

pointer: you're good.

[19:09:19]

tjcarter:

pointer: just upgrade your BE

[19:09:19]

Kazan:

pointer: network proto ver?

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Kazan:

wow that was to .31 in 20-fixes.. so there have been several more bumps in trunk

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pointer:

Kazan: the --version didn't give me that...

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Kazan:

tjcarter said you're good

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Slyboots:

Im using 0.20.20070717–1, Which is.. network protocol 35

[19:11:38]

Slyboots:

What frontend do I need?There are a few here

[19:11:57]

Slyboots:

0.20.2, 0.20-fixes, 0.20

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directhex:

Slyboots, 0.20.2

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tjcarter:

0.20.20060828–3 is what I was using for quite some time

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pointer:

I shall upgrade then...thanks guys

[19:12:35]

Slyboots:

Nifty, Thanks

[19:12:42]

pointer:

the wife gets very cranky when mythtv breaks... :-\

[19:12:53]

Slyboots:

Is there anything importaint in the update ? (since my version)

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

its just an excuse to get cranky methinks pointer :p

[19:13:17]

Slyboots:

Like.. I dont know..

[19:13:22]

directhex:

pointer, schedule downtime using a bottle of booze

[19:13:25]

Slyboots:

"MythTV now summons kittens every 20mins"

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pointer:

she doesn't drink :-\

[19:13:52]

Slyboots:

Divorce her?

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Yahooadam:

slyboots, 0.20.2 has schedules direct support

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pointer:

hrm...she's worth about $150k/year to me...

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Slyboots:

I dont use that anyway :)

[19:14:35]

Yahooadam:

there is a changelist on the mythtv site

[19:14:35]

Slyboots:

RT_UK Grabber, which.. kinda sucks but it works

[19:14:44]

GreyFoxx:

Slyboots: It's basically all -fixes + SD

[19:14:51]

Slyboots:

The listing data is weird, apparently I have enough listing data till 2012

[19:14:55]

Slyboots:

Which does not make sence..

[19:15:01]

GreyFoxx:

so if you are running a new enough -fixes then you have most everything already

[19:15:05]

Yahooadam:

if you want to know what changed, check the mythtv page :)

[19:15:05]

directhex:

Slyboots, that's a bug. check your database, there'll be a rogue entry

[19:15:23]

Slyboots:

how the heck do I do that o.O?

[19:15:32]

directhex:

Slyboots, look at it this way – would you rather pay $15 a quarter, or get schedules free from the beeb?

[19:15:38]

directhex:

Slyboots, phpmyadmin would work

[19:15:46]

Yahooadam:

$15/qr :p

[19:15:53]

Yahooadam:

radio times listings suck

[19:16:18]

Slyboots:

well, Got the database up in mysql-admin

[19:16:18]

directhex:

Yahooadam, it's that or EIT

[19:16:30]

Yahooadam:

?

[19:16:45]

directhex:

Slyboots, Program table

[19:16:50]

Yahooadam:

i know directhex, but id rather pay $20/yr for a service that really works

[19:17:05]

Yahooadam:

rather then the RT one which sort of works

[19:17:10]

** GreyFoxx wonders just what the price will go down too **

[19:17:55]

Yahooadam:

as high as they can put it greyfoxx :p

[19:18:03]

Slyboots:

Hm, How the heck do you view a table in this :P

[19:18:17]

GreyFoxx:

Yahooadam: no, as low as they can put it :)

[19:18:20]

Yahooadam:

slyboots, phpmyadmin > all :p

[19:18:38]

Slyboots:

Dont have phpadmin installed though.. hold on

[19:18:47]

Yahooadam:

what OS u using ?

[19:18:56]

Slyboots:

Ubuntu

[19:19:03]

Yahooadam:

sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin

[19:19:10]

Slyboots:

already on it

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Yahooadam:

:)

[19:19:17]

directhex:

Yahooadam, sounds far too hard. what about some circular RPM dependencies instead?

[19:19:23]

Slyboots:

:D

[19:19:30]

Yahooadam:

ha ha :)

[19:19:41]

Yahooadam:

i found FC5 to be ok

[19:19:46]

Yahooadam:

but i did have to install yum on it :p

[19:19:56]

Yahooadam:

apt > yum > packages :p

[19:20:24]

directhex:

it's not all about apt. really, deb is simply a more logical system than rpm

[19:20:45]

Yahooadam:

mmm

[19:20:53]

Yahooadam:

you can supposidly change rpms to debs with alien

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Yahooadam:

but ive only done it with the epson printer drivers

[19:21:07]

directhex:

you can... ish

[19:21:20]

directhex:

you're not doing more than turning CPIO into Ar though

[19:21:25]

directhex:

the value is in the metadata

[19:21:26]

Slyboots:

There we go :)

[19:21:36]

directhex:

which is what enables things like apt to work

[19:21:38]

Yahooadam:

http://localhost/phpmyadmin

[19:21:41]

Slyboots:

Nice call, there was a bugged entry, no program details with a end-time of 2014 :)

[19:21:43]

Yahooadam:

or whatever

[19:21:46]

Yahooadam:

:)

[19:21:54]

Yahooadam:

there u go :)

[19:21:58]

Yahooadam:

isnt phpmyadmin fun :p

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Yahooadam:

p.s. slyboots, are you using DVB-T, sky, cable or analogue ?

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** directhex is considering OTA DVB-S **

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GreyFoxx:

if I ever pick up a rotor I might try that out as well

[19:24:19]

Slyboots:

DVB-T

[19:24:32]

Slyboots:

I've just got the one card, a Nova-T

[19:24:42]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, i'll be more inclined to do it once threaded h264 decoding appears

[19:24:51]

Slyboots:

I plan to expand the machine later when I have a bit of cash :)

[19:25:04]

directhex:

ooh, anyone know about the libspe2 code in myth?

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GreyFoxx:

the what code?

[19:27:11]

GreyFoxx:

I've never seen reference to libspe2 before

[19:27:15]

spiderworm2:

does anyone know how to make it so that the channel number displays as i change channels watching live tv

[19:27:25]

laga:

GreyFoxx: ps3 stuff AFAIK

[19:27:29]

directhex:

ISTR someone added offloading onto ps3 vector units

[19:27:32]

spiderworm2:

right now i get the channel name and current program description... but not the channel number

[19:27:49]

GreyFoxx:

Has something actually be put into myth for that? I must have missed that commit

[19:27:53]

directhex:

i wondered how good said code was, given there's still the framebuffer blitting at the end.

[19:28:08]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, offloading of some of the things usually done by Xv, like scaling, i think

[19:28:12]

laga:

GreyFoxx: not sure, but mark kendall wrote some code AFAIK

[19:28:51]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, ps3 linux has no GPU access, you just get a framebuffer. offloading's sorta necessary for smooth video

[19:29:18]

GreyFoxx:

directhex: I'm aware of that, just had never heard of libspe2 nor that any such code had actually made it into myth :)

[19:29:35]

GreyFoxx:

how much are ps3's these days anway ?

[19:29:52]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, £425 with crap like games, extra pad, and blu-ray movies

[19:30:09]

tjcarter:

eep!

[19:30:19]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, but... 425 is a silly sum for a games machine. it's not a silly sum for a silent frontend AND games machine

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tjcarter:

directhex: with BluRay player =D

[19:30:56]

directhex:

that too

[19:31:07]

laga:

it's an exceptionally silly sum for a frontend that'll consume way too much power

[19:31:16]

directhex:

laga, compared to what?

[19:31:29]

laga:

directhex: compared to any

[19:31:32]

jarle:

I notice that while watching a recording or LiveTV arrow up/down had the exactly opposite function compared to mplayer controls, is it possible to change this?

[19:31:33]

laga:

sane computer, IMHO

[19:31:41]

GreyFoxx:

what we need is something like the msntv2/s100 which we can put our own code on that can handle hdtv

[19:31:46]

directhex:

laga, 171 watts under load?

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directhex:

laga, take an athlon x2, plus a hard disk, plus a motherbOH LOOK, you're over limit

[19:32:23]

laga:

directhex: my box is 100W-120W under load, with a core 2 duo and a 7600GS

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laga:

directhex: hardcoreware.net says it's about 200W when the ps3 is running folding@home

[19:34:42]

directhex:

laga, conroe CPU: 65W. DDR2 RAM: 8W per stick. Intel mobo chipset: 30W. hard disk: 30W. 7600gs: 120W

[19:35:20]

directhex:

laga, if power consumption were the issue, you'd run an epia

[19:35:24]

laga:

directhex: that's worst-case.

[19:35:32]

jedix:

8W/stick?

[19:35:33]

directhex:

laga, so is 200W! folding@home isn't worst case?

[19:35:36]

jedix:

doesn't matter what size?

[19:35:39]

directhex:

jedix, at least

[19:35:44]

directhex:

jedix, 1W per memory chip, then

[19:35:52]

spiderworm2:

no one knows how to show the channel number when channel surfing?

[19:35:54]

directhex:

jedix, doubel it foe double-sided dimms

[19:35:54]

jedix:

w

[19:36:00]

laga:

i'm not running an epia since this doubles as my desktop box. my other frontend consumes 20W (idle), though.

[19:36:09]

GreyFoxx:

spiderworm2: You just need an OSD installed and myth converged to use it

[19:36:24]

GreyFoxx:

go into TV settings, playback settings and pick an OSD

[19:36:36]

laga:

directhex: those numbers are worst case numbers. i doubt that a 7600GS will use 120W during video playback :)

[19:36:37]

spiderworm2:

GreyFoxx: i have an osd and it shows up, but where do i tell it to show the channel number?

[19:36:40]

GreyFoxx:

that or you are missing the OSD

[19:36:56]

GreyFoxx:

ispider: most OSD's just do. It's not a configuration setting

[19:37:26]

directhex:

laga, at any rate, it's still an interesting prospect for a frontend, IF it can play HD. i was looking at a mac mini, but if myth can offload onto the SPEs and play h264 content, then it's a MUCh better value option

[19:37:45]

GreyFoxx:

spiderworm2: What OSD ?

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laga:

directhex: i could get out my watt meter, but i'm too tired and i know that his box is only ~120W when both cores are loaded.

[19:38:00]

laga:

directhex: with that amount of RAM, you won't be using any big themes

[19:38:21]

directhex:

laga, RAM consumption on myth got slashed recently, remember?

[19:40:04]

laga:

directhex: for some themes at least ;)

[19:40:35]

laga:

directhex: true enough, though. i'm prolly just jealous because i can't afford a ps3. :(

[19:40:38]

directhex:

laga, some, sure. the only one with no improvement is illuvius, which, well, sucks anyway

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directhex:

laga, a ps3 is cheaper than a mac mini!

[19:40:54]

laga:

OTOH, i'm very happy with f-zero still.

[19:41:01]

laga:

directhex: i dont have a mac mini either :)

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directhex:

laga, well i'm not stupid enough to buy a ps3 for the *games* right now

[19:41:18]

laga:

heh

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directhex:

laga, i've got the 10 other systems!

[19:41:50]

spiderworm2:

ah thanks GreyFoxx ... i had ithius or something like that

[19:42:09]

spiderworm2:

i switched to the blue osd and now i have channel number (although i dont like the look of it as much)

[19:42:09]

Yahooadam:

right

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Yahooadam:

found the card

[19:42:31]

spiderworm2:

i bet i could even find osd previews on the myth website, huh

[19:42:46]

laga:

there are other osd themes, too

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directhex:

i must now cook foods

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directhex:

oh, for reference, 116 cores of itanium2 aren't very fast at x264 encoding

[19:43:58]

spiderworm2:

its a hassle to go through the menus to change the osd, go back through the menus to get to watching live tv, find out i dont like the osd, repeat...

[19:44:26]

gbee:

default osds suck, download bluetube

[19:44:46]

gbee:

spiderworm2: 0.21 will include a preview image for the OSD theme

[19:44:55]

spiderworm2:

:D

[19:45:22]

directhex:

gbee, and a pony?

[19:46:15]

gbee:

*sigh*

[19:48:22]

jarle:

channel_icons.pl will not work on my 0.20-svn20070122 if I understand it correctly?

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CDev:

directhex|work: I'm the upnp developer... Looking at the IRC logs, I noticed you seem to have a lot of questions. Anything I can help with?

[19:57:28]

|Torg|:

why wont my xbox360 play video, it does music from my BEs :P

[19:58:04]

CDev:

I'm not an expert on the xbox360, but this is what I know...

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CDev:

Originially Microsoft did not support video of any kind through upnp.

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CDev:

I believe they recently updated the firmware to allow it, but only certain codecs.

[19:59:07]

|Torg|:

yes it wont do it though media player either

[19:59:11]

|Torg|:

I can check again

[19:59:30]

CDev:

Unfortunately I don't own a xbox360 (yet) so it's hard to test/develop for it.

[20:02:58]

Yahooadam:

lol

[20:03:05]

Yahooadam:

i didnt know the 360 worked atall with mythtv

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CDev:

With the latest release (I backported all upnp changes) it should at least play music.

[20:04:57]

Yahooadam:

i need a front end for my sister, a 360 would be good :p

[20:05:11]

Yahooadam:

although i was wondering how cheap i could pick up a xbox1 for

[20:05:35]

directhex:

Yahooadam, £50 high street, ebay cheaper

[20:05:36]

CDev:

Keep in mind, it is very limited. Playback only. No other features are implemented in upnp.

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directhex:

CDev, i've just never seen it *do* anything. my only hardware device (the 360) didn't believe the BE existed. i tried every software client listed on the myth wiki, and the furthest i got was making djmount acknowledge it existed – it was completely empty, but at least it admitted there was a upnp server there. none of the other clients i tried, not one, saw anything

[20:10:39]

CDev:

What version of myth are you using? Are you up to 0.20.2 yet?

[20:10:48]

ole_schoola:

just another data point: my squeezebox see's myth fine and someone else reported a d-link dsm320 as working

[20:10:54]

GreyFoxx:

I've been playing content via djmount, uses nero for playback, used a dsm 320, used some little unit a coworker brought into the office, and had audio via the 360

[20:11:02]

directhex:

CDev, it was trunk, now it's 0.20.2

[20:11:06]

GreyFoxx:

and with vista you can use windows media player

[20:11:40]

directhex:

there's no docs or no diagnostics, so it's not easy to work out what's wrong

[20:12:08]

CDev:

I've testest the following clients: DSM-520, PS3, Denon AVR-4306 (music only), XBMC, Vista's Media Player. And all work as expected.

[20:12:30]

tjcarter:

CDev: does -fixes have UPnP discovery yet?

[20:12:59]

GreyFoxx:

-fixes is for fixes, not completely new features :)

[20:13:11]

CDev:

directhex: I haven't updated the wiki yet. But it should just work. If you use -v upnp on the backend it will spit out more information about what's going on.

[20:13:28]

tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: it's not that major of a feature

[20:13:48]

tjcarter:

SchedulesDirect is a new feature.. ;p

[20:13:56]

tjcarter:

=)

[20:13:58]

CDev:

tjcarter: No. I am in the process up updating my dev system with the autodiscovery changes (removed to backport upnp to fixes)

[20:14:03]

GreyFoxx:

tjcarter: It's a LOT more changes than SD

[20:14:13]

CDev:

I should be committing to trunk in a couple of days.

[20:14:21]

tjcarter:

I know, I'm being a wiseass.

[20:14:25]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

[20:14:34]

GreyFoxx:

my sarcasm meter is malfunctioning today :)

[20:14:55]

** GreyFoxx gets ready to leave work. yay! **

[20:14:55]

tjcarter:

I would like the backport though, if only because it would simplify my routing config nicely.

[20:15:10]

tjcarter:

it would save me 20k or so

[20:15:47]

GreyFoxx:

20k of what ?

[20:15:51]

tjcarter:

router RAM

[20:16:08]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

[20:16:18]

CDev:

tjcarter: won't happen. As it is, I got reamed for backporting the upnp stack to fixes. (At least I could say it was fixing the upnp stack). The autodiscovery is definitly not a fix.

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ben1:

hi

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tjcarter:

this is good because I need to bloat the irc masq module significantly to fix a bug whereby irssi's DCC attempts are not masqed properly because kernel mod claims they're forged.

[20:17:27]

ben1:

i want learn c++ for mythtv anyone recommend a tutorial (im using ubuntu)

[20:17:40]

tjcarter:

I don't know if bug is irssi or kernel module yet.

[20:17:56]

tjcarter:

ben1: are you using a dedicated box?

[20:18:51]

ben1:

yes

[20:19:09]

tjcarter:

Tutorial step 1: Download Mythbuntu ;)

[20:19:14]

ben1:

just done latest svn update

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directhex:

ben1, download myth source, start hacking

[20:19:30]

directhex:

ben1, worked for me

[20:19:43]

ben1:

did you previously know any c++?

[20:19:49]

tjcarter:

lol

[20:19:56]

directhex:

ben1, nope!

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ben1:

ok

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tjcarter:

Myth is not C++, it's Qt.

[20:20:08]

ben1:

Qt?

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tjcarter:

they're not exactly the same thing =p

[20:20:17]

ole_schoola:

oh yes it is c++

[20:20:27]

ole_schoola:

with Q

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ole_schoola:

t

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** tjcarter mocs Qt **

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ben1:

well it doesnt really matter i just want to be able to contribute

[20:21:12]

ben1:

i am pretty skilled with php so i might be able to help with mythtv web

[20:21:17]

gbee:

QT is a just a toolkit (set of useful functions and classes) – mythtv is C++ (mostly) and uses QT

[20:21:23]

tjcarter:

ben1: seriously though, Mythbuntu is a good place to start if you prefer Ubuntu because it'll set everything up.

[20:21:37]

tjcarter:

Then you can download svn and hack to your hearts content

[20:21:58]

ole_schoola:

mythweb wouldn't definitely be good place to start wityh your skills

[20:21:58]

ben1:

i allready have ubuntu on my pc and i dont really want to replace it because i do use it alot

[20:22:23]

ole_schoola:

i'm sure xris has a todo list

[20:22:30]

ben1:

should i just checkout the repos?

[20:22:35]

ole_schoola:

wouldn't sb would

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tjcarter:

I need to talk to RyeBrye (probably) about a couple of Mac bugs with -fixes and then I'll probably head off toward trunk myself using KnoppMyth

[20:22:44]

fryfrog:

if you are doing development, you should do it against svn head

[20:23:06]

ben1:

i dont really know about compiling c++ or qt

[20:23:08]

fryfrog:

that way, you won't be fixing things that are already fixed, or making it hard for devs to merge in your changes

[20:23:10]

ben1:

is that simple enough

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fryfrog:

sure "./configure && make && make install"

[20:23:32]

fryfrog:

thats how you compile pretty much anything in teh linux :)

[20:23:36]

ben1:

ok

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tjcarter:

not quite that simple..

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tjcarter:

have a look at this article on upgading KnoppMyth: http://www.yeraze.com/article.php/20070904092200310

[20:23:53]

ole_schoola:

you'll track down lots of dependencies

[20:24:02]

fryfrog:

not really

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fryfrog:

not with ubuntu at least

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tjcarter:

it's based on Cecil's instructions, but was easier to find.

[20:24:08]

fryfrog:

just use builddep

[20:24:18]

fryfrog:

think the only thing you need extra is that svn head has some...

[20:24:19]

fryfrog:

umm

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fryfrog:

damn, i forget what it is

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ben1:

ok should i use gedit?

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ole_schoola:

ah yes, that works well

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fryfrog:

its 1 lib

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fryfrog:

ben1: you can edit with what ever you want. nano, vi, gedit, notepad, ms word :)

[20:24:49]

fryfrog:

its just a text file

[20:25:06]

ben1:

which one do you use?

[20:25:11]

ben1:

ms word lol

[20:25:11]

fryfrog:

nano

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ben1:

is that just console?

[20:25:19]

fryfrog:

but i don't do a lot of coding sir :(

[20:25:25]

fryfrog:

yar, afaik

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ben1:

yer console is ok

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ole_schoola:

nano on linux, notepad++ thru winscp on windows

[20:25:35]

ben1:

but i do like my gui

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will_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . buntu_Breezy

[20:25:46]

fryfrog:

My mythtv changes/submitted patches have pretty much only been for adding new firewire stb support

[20:25:47]

will_:

lists svn deps

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ben1:

i have feisty

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ole_schoola:

well, i happen to favor gedit as a linux gui, gives me the notepad++ feel with tabs

[20:26:07]

will_:

those libs will work for any ubuntu version

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will_:

(in theory)

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ben1:

i used apt-get and it doesnt work

[20:26:37]

ben1:

it allways asks for database connection

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Yahooadam:

apt asks for a db connection ? :s

[20:27:13]

ben1:

no

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ben1:

when i start frontend

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Yahooadam:

yeah

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ben1:

*i am trying to connection to my dedicated mythtv

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ben1:

which allows external use

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Yahooadam:

is the frontend on the same box as the backend ?

[20:27:53]

ben1:

no

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Yahooadam:

have you edited my.cnf and removed the bind-address ?

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ben1:

yes

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Yahooadam:

and restarted mysql since

[20:28:21]

ben1:

yer

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Yahooadam:

kk

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ben1:

i think its my laptop (this) which has the problem

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ben1:

my dedicated box works really well

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ben1:

but i cant connect through my laptop

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ben1:

all the connection info is correct

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gbee:

no firewalls on the laptop or backend?

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ben1:

no

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Yahooadam:

do you use any other frontends on your network ?

[20:30:06]

ben1:

i tried it with mythtv windows version and that works

[20:30:09]

ben1:

kinda

[20:30:16]

ben1:

it connects to it fine

[20:30:37]

ben1:

i am not logging on as the mythtv user on my laptop

[20:30:37]

ben1:

thought

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ben1:

*though

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tjcarter:

13:30 < tjcarter> AFAIK, Murr's Alex voice is the reason why 10.5 server is like 1GB smaller than 10.5 client =p

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jblack:

Are there any alternatives in the US to schedules direct? They're shutting down my service on Sept 15.

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tjcarter:

/oops

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ben1:

is the mythtv web weather a know bug?

[20:33:03]

ben1:

ie it doesnt work

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Yahooadam:

no jblack

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laga:

ben1: yes.

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Yahooadam:

ben1, what exact error do you get on your laptop when you try and launch the frontend

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jblack:

16:30 < Yahooadam> do you use any other frontends on your network ?

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jblack:

sorry.

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ben1:

Yahooadam: i dont get a error it just closes when i have gone through the database settings

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spiderworm2:

does anyone here support the schedulesdirect service?

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Yahooadam:

ben1

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Yahooadam:

open the terminal

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ben1:

ok

[20:38:04]

Yahooadam:

and type mythfrontend

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Yahooadam:

i think >_<

[20:38:33]

ben1:

ah

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ben1:

ok

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ben1:

that helps

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Yahooadam:

what error :)

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ben1:

permission error

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ben1:

i can fix that

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ben1:

i do have permission but

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ben1:

Access denied for user 'ben'@'%' to database 'mythtvconverg'

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Yahooadam:

shouldnt the user be mythtv ?

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Yahooadam:

anyway

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Yahooadam:

is it possible that your permission is for localhost only ?

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ben1:

host = %

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gbee:

cool, IR camera I just installed in the garden caught a hedgehog in the first two hours :D

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Yahooadam:

do you use phpmyadmin ben1 ?

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ben1:

yes

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ben1:

user – ben

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ben1:

host – %

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Yahooadam:

when you log in

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Yahooadam:

there is a button "privaleges"

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ben1:

ok on that

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Yahooadam:

then you should have User "ben"

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Yahooadam:

host should be %

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Yahooadam:

password yes

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ben1:

yep

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Yahooadam:

you might want to edit the password to make sure its what you think it is ;)

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Yahooadam:

umm

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ben1:

mythconverg All Privilegs

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ben1:

grant – yes

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

on mine mythtv doesnt have grant permissions

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CDev:

I'd check mysql.txt to make sure the DBUserName is set to ben and not mythtv.

[20:45:39]

ben1:

ok look at the database name on this

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ben1:

Access denied for user 'ben'@'%' to database 'mythtvconverg'

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ben1:

arrrr

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

i think i know

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ben1:

its mythtv

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ben1:

not myth

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Yahooadam:

thats the error you got in the mythfrontend right ?

[20:46:24]

ben1:

hang on let me try changing the database name

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Yahooadam:

if so, it should say ben@ip.add.ress.here

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drmitch:

it's mythconverg

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drmitch:

not mythtvconverg

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Yahooadam:

ha nice spot ;)

[20:47:59]

ben1:

yeh

[20:48:03]

ben1:

thats what i changed

[20:48:09]

ben1:

it started a bit more that time

[20:48:30]

ben1:

it got to the menu

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ben1:

then said it cant find master backend

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drmitch:

did you run mythtv-setup ?

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Yahooadam:

sounds like the backend isnt running, or you changed a settin

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ben1:

where was that me.cnf

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Yahooadam:

locate my.cnf

[20:49:54]

ben1:

where would i change where mythtv thinks the backend is?

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Yahooadam:

/etc/mysql/my.cnf

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ben1:

in there

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ben1:

but thats for mysql

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Yahooadam:

thats where my.cnf is

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Yahooadam:

its in the database i think

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Yahooadam:

2 secs

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CDev:

mythtv-setup

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ben1:

but its still looking in 127.0.0.1

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CDev:

make suer the masterbackend setting has an external IP

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ben1:

for backend

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ben1:

it does

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Yahooadam:

its in the settings when you loaded up the frontend ...

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Yahooadam:

go into the frontend, goto settings

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Yahooadam:

and change it

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ben1:

do i need my own backend running?

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ben1:

or just a master backend

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Yahooadam:

master backend

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ben1:

ok

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CDev:

just the master

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ben1:

in settings its set to 192.168.0.37 which is my dedicated mythtv

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ben1:

but when i run mythfrontend it shows 127.0.0.1

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ben1:

Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)

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ben1:

im guessing that setting for the ip is just mysql?

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drmitch:

but you server is on 0.37?

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CDev:

There are 2 ip address in mythtv-setup | general | first screen. Make sure theyboth have the same IP

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ben1:

yeh

[20:53:21]

ben1:

oh

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ben1:

wheres the 2nd one

[20:53:29]

ben1:

ok

[20:53:30]

ben1:

thanks

[20:53:36]

ben1:

didnt read it all there

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ben1:

ok i get all the stuff but i cant watch tv

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ben1:

or see pictures

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ben1:

is this because i am running mythfrontend on 2pcs

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drmitch:

shouldn't matter

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drmitch:

does it give an error?

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ben1:

eg on videos it says it cant find it

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ben1:

because it is looking on the server

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ben1:

not through nfs

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ben1:

just in /var/lib

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ben1:

or where it is

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ben1:

can it stream the tv over the network?

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ben1:

to my laptops mythfrontend

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CDev:

yes, it should be able to.

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ben1:

hmm when i click watch tv it just flashes

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Yahooadam:

does tv work on the frontend on your backend pc

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ben1:

yes

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ben1:

perfectly

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Yahooadam:

is your laptop using wireless ?

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ben1:

yes

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Yahooadam:

g or b ?

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ben1:

g i think

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ben1:

not sure though

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ben1:

its dell

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tjcarter:

dude!

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tjcarter:

your laptop looks like hell!

[21:05:32]

ben1:

yes?

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ben1:

why

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ben1:

nvm

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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ben1:

i thought you meant it was a bad laptop

[21:06:19]

Yahooadam:

well if its wireless b, that could easilly be a big problem

[21:06:19]

ben1:

yeh it does get annyoing

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tjcarter:

no, it just looks like shit, if it's a recent model

[21:06:24]

ben1:

its g

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ben1:

im fairly sure

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Yahooadam:

can you watch recorded tv on it ?

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ben1:

it is a very recent model

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tjcarter:

I mean OMG, how disgustingly gaudy can they make a laptop?

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ben1:

umm dont think so

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ben1:

let me try again

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Yahooadam:

is this a dell laptop that came preloaded with ubuntu ?

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Yahooadam:

lol euro.dell.com doesnt work without javascript

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Yahooadam:

lazy bastards

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tjcarter:

Yahooadam: A laptop that looks like shit with a default color scheme that does too? =D

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Yahooadam:

?

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Yahooadam:

u got any pics of these laptops ? :p

[21:08:34]

tjcarter:

Ubuntu preloaded..

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Yahooadam:

u trying to say the default ubuntu colour scheme is shit :p

[21:09:14]

ben1:

mine came with vista

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ben1:

instant uninstall

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fryfrog:

OMG SAY IT ISN"T SO!

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fryfrog:

who doesn't like brown!?

[21:09:40]

ben1:

it was the worst thing ive ever used

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tjcarter:

http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11621446/Dell_M1 . . . Free_S_H.jpg <-- imagine that all lit up with blue LEDs

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Yahooadam:

ha ha :)

[21:09:59]

Yahooadam:

ha ha :p

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Yahooadam:

allthough thats an XPS ;)

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ben1:

well anyway when i select a recording to watch it flashes black then goes back to the menu

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ben1:

mines not a xps

[21:10:25]

tjcarter:

I'm having trouble finding them that don't look like http://laptoping.com/wp-content/dell_laptop_burned.jpg

[21:10:35]

Yahooadam:

close frontend, open terminal, type mythfrontend, try to watch video

[21:10:42]

Yahooadam:

when it barfs, alt-tab to look at the terminal

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ben1:

ok

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Yahooadam:

ha ha tjcarter :p although thats sonys fault ;)

[21:11:44]

tjcarter:

http://www.mygamer.com/files/pc_pics/m1710_1.jpg

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tjcarter:

there's one in red

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Yahooadam:

i like how its burnt a nice hole through it though :p

[21:11:59]

tjcarter:

I guess you get to pick your stupidity.

[21:12:31]

ben1:

http://pastebin.com/m3200392d

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Yahooadam:

still configured wrong then

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ben1:

it says 127.0.0.1 but thats wrong

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ben1:

where can i change that

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Yahooadam:

goto the menu, settings

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Yahooadam:

general

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ben1:

i ci did

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Yahooadam:

i think

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ben1:

*did

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ben1:

it still says general

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Yahooadam:

man how long is my comp gonna take to load mythfrontend :p

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tjcarter:

http://www.techfresh.net/wp-content/uploads/2 . . . ps-m1710.jpg http://legitreviews.com/images/reviews/343/dell_xps_m1710.jpg <-- I think that one someone did on purpose, though I couldn't swear Dell won't sell it to you looking that way..

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Yahooadam:

lol

[21:16:30]

tjcarter:

The first couple of lotsalights case mods were unique and cool. At this point the only case mods that aren't just repulsive to me are the ones that are simple and clean.

[21:16:40]

directhex:

okay. upnp. am i meant to see anything with djmount?

[21:16:50]

tjcarter:

directhex: yes.

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directhex:

directhex@mortos:/tmp/djmount-0.71/djmount/foofle/despair: MythTV AV Media Server$ ls

[21:17:08]

directhex:

directhex@mortos:/tmp/djmount-0.71/djmount/foofle/despair: MythTV AV Media Server$

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ben1:

is there a config file which stores ips?

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ben1:

for frontend

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ben1:

because its still looking in 127.0.0.1

[21:18:17]

tjcarter:

ben1: there are two configs on the backend

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tjcarter:

under general

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tjcarter:

set them both to the LAN IP of your BE

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mathias999us:

Can someone help with a RingBuf error? LiveTV works, but occassionally, on the half-hour, mythfrontend will fail with a "'date' RingBuf(/path/to/file/12345.mpg) Invalid File (fd -1) error

[21:18:49]

ben1:

one says for this pc

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ben1:

one is for master backend

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ben1:

is there another

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tjcarter:

(this is why I was asking CDev about UPnP discovery in -fixes)

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directhex:

tjcarter, so what should i be seeing?

[21:19:19]

ben1:

hang on ill check again

[21:19:34]

directhex:

ooh, hang on...

[21:19:41]

tjcarter:

do you have just one BE?

[21:19:56]

directhex:

directhex@mortos:/tmp/djmount-0.71/djmount/foofle/despair: MythTV AV Media Server$ grep UPNP .status

[21:19:56]

directhex:

| +- Result = -104 (UPNP_E_OUTOF_MEMOR)

[21:20:19]

directhex:

CDev! any idea about UPNP_E_OUTOF_MEMOR?

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mathias999us:

I also get SwitchToProgram's OpenFile failed when this happens

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tjcarter:

directhex: I don't know..

[21:21:34]

mathias999us:

One thing I discovered last night, is that the file mentioned in the ringbuf error actually is in the recordings directory, but with a slightly different name

[21:21:46]

tjcarter:

directhex: I'm running -fixes, and I have a Mac for a FE

[21:22:02]

mathias999us:

Also, the happens when scheduling a recording

[21:22:04]

tjcarter:

directhex: I'm happy to have said FE (mostly) working..

[21:22:42]

mathias999us:

For instance, I schedule a recording. When I go to watch it, it can't play, and frontend puts on stderr a ringbuf error

[21:22:59]

mathias999us:

But, it's weird, the recording file is there with a slightly different name...

[21:23:18]

ben1:

what setting do i have to change on my dedicated server so it allows external videos

[21:23:27]

tjcarter:

ben1: do you have just one BE?

[21:23:38]

ben1:

yes

[21:23:41]

ben1:

and 2 fe

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tjcarter:

first screen of general

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ben1:

on master backend

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ben1:

?

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tjcarter:

set both IP addresses to the LAN IP of your server.

[21:24:05]

tjcarter:

You only have one, it's the master.

[21:24:12]

ben1:

ok

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mathias999us:

For instance, in mysq, it thinks it recorded something as /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1021_20070908070000.mpg

[21:24:40]

mathias999us:

But the file that's actually there is /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1021_20070908070430.mpg

[21:24:47]

mathias999us:

Hence the ringbuf error...

[21:25:01]

ben1:

hang on just start my projector so i can get to backend

[21:25:39]

tjcarter:

unfortunately, there isn't an Xless ncurses mythtv-setup or so

[21:25:50]

tjcarter:

would make that whole dedicated backend thing much easier..

[21:25:50]

Yahooadam:

right

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Yahooadam:

tjcarter

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Yahooadam:

you can just install 1 package, and ssh with X at a remote terminal

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Yahooadam:

very cool :)

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Yahooadam:

ben1

[21:26:26]

ben1:

yer

[21:26:29]

Yahooadam:

i just checked mine, had the same problem

[21:26:32]

Yahooadam:

in mythtv-setup

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Yahooadam:

general

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ben1:

oh

[21:26:39]

Yahooadam:

there are 2 IP's

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ben1:

ok

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Yahooadam:

they must be the IP of your backend

[21:26:52]

Yahooadam:

do that and it should work :)

[21:26:59]

tjcarter:

Yahooadam: I have a Mac. It can be done, but I haven't bothered to set it up. It's even less friendly under Windows.

[21:27:12]

Yahooadam:

true :)

[21:27:12]

mathias999us:

Any ideas out there

[21:27:20]

tjcarter:

Simple ncurses would be very nice.

[21:27:32]

Yahooadam:

no idea what ncurses is but whatever :p

[21:27:40]

ben1:

yahoo you are talking about on the backend?

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Yahooadam:

id rather have a command line mythtv-setup

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Yahooadam:

yes ben1

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tjcarter:

you have ever used a console-based irc client or so?

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Yahooadam:

run mythtv-setup on your backend

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tjcarter:

or used pine or mutt?

[21:28:08]

tjcarter:

or mc?

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Yahooadam:

nope nope and nope

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Yahooadam:

:p

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Yahooadam:

i may have without knowing i guess ...

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tjcarter:

anything you run from cmdline with an interface more complex than bash uses ncurses.

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tjcarter:

alsamixer

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Yahooadam:

the lirc configure thing ?

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directhex:

or whiptail, i think it's called

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Yahooadam:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty

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tjcarter:

whiptail uses slang, which is like ncurses

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Yahooadam:

that kind of thing ?

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tjcarter:

but yeah

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Yahooadam:

well i found it pretty easy

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Yahooadam:

i installed ubuntu server

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Yahooadam:

sudo apt-get install xauth

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tjcarter:

Actually, slang might not be a bad idea.. You can use newt then, and newt would make mythtv-setup pretty easy

[21:30:40]

Yahooadam:

ssh -X -Y user@ip.add.goes.here

[21:31:17]

Yahooadam:

but ofc, you need to be running X on the PC you ssh from

[21:31:33]

Yahooadam:

still its easier then having to run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start, and then VNC'ing in

[21:32:10]

Yahooadam:

and faster too

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ben1:

oo think it will work now :)

[21:32:32]

tjcarter:

wow, now this brings back memories: http://tvision.sourceforge.net/tv2-QNX-tvscreen.jpg

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DustyBin:

ive logged into my mythtv box via ssh and killed the frontend pid because it crashed, how can i relaunch the frontend without doing it directly on the box? at the moment it says 'cannot connect to x server' when i try and do it via ssh

[21:33:14]

ben1:

ITS WORKING

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ben1:

:)

[21:33:19]

ben1:

thanks all

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Yahooadam:

dustybin

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Anduin:

DustyBin: DISPLAY=:0 mythfrontend

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DustyBin:

aye ill try it :D

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Yahooadam:

:p

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Yahooadam:

speedy bum >_<

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DustyBin:

it bloody worked as well :D

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Yahooadam:

tjcarter

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Yahooadam:

is this the sort of thing ncurses looks like

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Yahooadam:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lir . . . igure1_1.png

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laga:

yes

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Yahooadam:

note to self

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Yahooadam:

dont kill mythbackend while its recording >_<

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ben1:

all the cover art doesnt get shown because it shows as /var/lib/mythtv/videos does this mean i cant watch them

[21:39:51]

ben1:

on another pc

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ben1:

and videos

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ben1:

and pictures

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ben1:

ect

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ben1:

all i can watch is live tv and recordings

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tjcarter:

Yahooadam: it can look like anything really, but that's the general sort of thing

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tjcarter:

I figure it could wind up looking exactly like mythtv-setup does in X

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Yahooadam:

well go do it :p

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tjcarter:

I've gotta try it..

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ben1:

can anyone here watch videos and listen to music on a external mythtv front

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** Yahooadam waits for an anser to ben1's question cos he is interested too :p **

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fryfrog:

what are you asking?

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fryfrog:

can you watch video/audio over a cable modem from a remote site?

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fryfrog:

or just from a non-one system mythtv?

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ben1:

no from a backend on a different pc

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ben1:

to a frontend on a different pc

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Yahooadam:

option #2 methings fryfrog ;)

[21:45:12]

ben1:

not recordings they work

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fryfrog:

sure, i have a remote fe and a stand alone be

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Yahooadam:

methinks #

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ben1:

but videos

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fryfrog:

the audio/video needs to be found in the same place

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fryfrog:

for example, my be exports an nfs share at "/data" which contains my recordings, videos, music, etc

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ben1:

but cant it be the same as the recordings where it gets it by ip

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fryfrog:

i mount that nfs share on "/data" on all my frontends

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ben1:

instead of location on disk

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fryfrog:

no, video/music is not streamed like recordings

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Yahooadam:

i see fryfrog :)

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ben1:

is there any way to do that

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ben1:

without mounting it

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fryfrog:

no

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fryfrog:

wasn't designed like that

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fryfrog:

but nfs export/mount is piss easy

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ben1:

could that be a feature request

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gbee:

not yet anyway

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ben1:

its a laptop

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fryfrog:

so?

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ben1:

and i dont want it to mess up if im away

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fryfrog:

add to /etc/fstab

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fryfrog:

how would it?

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gbee:

ben1: it's on my list, somewhere

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ben1:

ah great

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fryfrog:

the fe mounts the remote file system

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Yahooadam:

gbee, can i steal ure list and move it up ?

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ben1:

thats what i wanted to hear really

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fryfrog:

or are you talkinga bout videos stored on the *laptop*?

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Yahooadam:

fryfrog, his problem is he wont allways be on his network

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ben1:

yeh do you think you could move it up

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ben1:

im guessing its not one of the hardest features as most of the stuff is there for recordings

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gbee:

Yahooadam: hands off!

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fryfrog:

since it isn't hard, i'd suggest doing it and submitting a patch ben1 :)

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** Yahooadam rubs his hands since being slapped **

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ben1:

umm i cant program c++

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ben1:

i might try hello world later

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Yahooadam:

if i knew the first thing about programming id love to help :p

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ben1:

so would i

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ben1:

that was my initial question

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ben1:

if anyone had a good tutorial

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Yahooadam:

but considering my bedroom only has windows, its a bit hard to program for linux

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ben1:

errrr

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ben1:

get ubuntu

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ben1:

:)

[21:49:24]

ben1:

i have laptop ubuntu and desktop windows (for games )

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Yahooadam:

im using MCE atm, still trying to move to mythtv

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ben1:

MCE?

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Yahooadam:

and my main computer is a gaming machine :)

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gbee:

no walls? you live in a fish tank? :p

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Yahooadam:

Media Center Edition

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ben1:

GET OUT OF THIS IRC

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Yahooadam:

lol

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ben1:

omg you scum

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ben1:

mce

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ben1:

i hate that soo much

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ben1:

love mthtv though

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Yahooadam:

MCE pwns mythfrontend im afraid

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ben1:

no

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Yahooadam:

in terms of usability and looks

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ben1:

no

[21:50:40]

ben1:

maybe audios and pictures

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ben1:

but besides that i really like it

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Yahooadam:

yeah it really does im afraid, ive been using MCE for like a year now, and its actually very easy

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ben1:

and i do have a copy of media center edition

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ben1:

you cant sym link

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ben1:

or modify

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ben1:

or get support

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Yahooadam:

who wants to do the first 2

[21:51:32]

ben1:

or be stable

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Yahooadam:

and there is the green button for for support

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Yahooadam:

and MCE runs fine for me, i may restart once a month

[21:51:56]

ben1:

yer have you tried resarting your mcc

[21:52:03]

ben1:

yes

[21:52:06]

ben1:

well try it again

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ben1:

i did

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ben1:

and again

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Yahooadam:

it works fine lol

[21:52:24]

ben1:

yer if you get a super computer

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Yahooadam:

it was on a sempron 2400+

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ben1:

its poor very poor

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ben1:

anyone agree with me?

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Yahooadam:

im sorry, but have you really USED it ?

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ben1:

i have

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ben1:

i own a copy

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Yahooadam:

for how long ?

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Yahooadam:

a week ? :p

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ben1:

4months

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ben1:

then i found mythtv and burnt the disk and key

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Yahooadam:

and what was wrong with it ?

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ben1:

incase i was tempted back

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ben1:

it crashed and crashes

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ben1:

i count mount my dvds

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ben1:

on a different server

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tjcarter:

aww

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ben1:

it screwed my music

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ben1:

server

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tjcarter:

TVision doesn't build on gcc4

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ben1:

oh

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ben1:

whats that

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ben1:

tvision?

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tjcarter:

because Bjarne changes the language every year or so to sell new editions of his book =p

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ben1:

and gcc4

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Yahooadam:

My MCE has crashed once since i started using it, i can put DVD's in another computer and watch them if i wanted

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ben1:

drm sucks

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Yahooadam:

I stream music from a samba share and it works fine

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tjcarter:

ben1: while looking for good example of newt/slang doing something more complex than whiptail, I stumbled across TVision, the old Borland text interface..

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tjcarter:

it doesn't build on gcc4

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ben1:

ah ok

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** tjcarter has fond memories of TVision **

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tjcarter:

But I refuse to port C++ to current versions of the compiler.

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ben1:

no-one else agree that mce is rubish?

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tjcarter:

quite frankly, I learned C++ and I don't UNDERSTAND it anymore.

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Yahooadam:

mythtv has a big advantage, the backend rapes MCE

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ben1:

yes

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tjcarter:

when I learned it, C++ was quite simple.

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ben1:

2 frontens

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Yahooadam:

however, in terms of the frontend, MCE still beats MCE

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tjcarter:

Today it is most definitely not. =p

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Yahooadam:

MCE still beats mythtv #

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ben1:

i want to start learning c++ but still not sure how

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ben1:

people said i should modify mythtv

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ben1:

but i dont want to screw it as i use it

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tjcarter:

I'm not going to sort out the last revision of the language AND this current totally incompatible revision at the same time.

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ben1:

MCE still beats mythty no

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Yahooadam:

thats what testers are for :p

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tjcarter:

I'll let someone who can stand it do that.

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Yahooadam:

i could probably program C++ now, i can do PHP pretty well

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ben1:

can i put a feature request for videos here?

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Yahooadam:

but to program for linux requires knollege of linux that i really dont have

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ben1:

Search all IMDB

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Yahooadam:

i think theres a feature request channel

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ben1:

where

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ben1:

should i request it on #mythtv or will i get banned?

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laga:

you'll get yelled at

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Yahooadam:

there is allways the wiki

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Yahooadam:

im sure somone said there was a feature request channel

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laga:

there is a feature request wiki page

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Anduin:

ben1: Use the wiki, note no one looks there.

[22:01:58]

Yahooadam:

lo

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ben1:

why would i use it then

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Yahooadam:

lol #

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Anduin:

ben1: If you feature request is batch IMDB lookups it will never happen.

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ben1:

how can i get it to happen then?

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Anduin:

ben1: There is a script in trunk that could do it, I'm never going to allow it in the main code though.

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** CyberKnet goes about looking at firewire from his cable box again **

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ben1:

oh why not

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ben1:

bad coding?

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Anduin:

ben1: If it were there, people would use it.

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Yahooadam:

lol

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ben1:

im confused now

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Yahooadam:

im assuming it would put too much load on IMDB

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ben1:

oh

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ben1:

it could be delayed

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ben1:

i dont mind

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ben1:

what about them dvd managers

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ben1:

anyway imdb is the wrong place it should use amazon

[22:05:14]

Anduin:

Some people have too many videos, making them do it one at a time slows them down.

[22:05:41]

Anduin:

ben1: Can't use Amazon, look at their AUP

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ben1:

ive seen some programs use amazon

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Anduin:

ben1: They almost certainly violate the AUP

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Alowishus:

Does anyone do any sort of monitoring on their systems for mythbackend crashes?

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ben1:

aup?

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Anduin:

ben1: acceptable use policy

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ben1:

oh ok ill look

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Anduin:

ben1: It has things like "you cannot cache images, must respond to requests to delete information, etc", you can't make it far without it becoming useless for MythVideo.

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Yahooadam:

alowishus ... wouldnt you nice if it crashed seeing as your tv wouldnt work ...

[22:07:48]

Alowishus:

Yahooadam: not if I'm gone to work and it's supposed to be home recording

[22:07:53]

Alowishus:

Yahooadam: or overnight

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Anduin:

Alowishus: Some people do, some use things like monit (there was a thread on -users I believe)

[22:09:07]

Alowishus:

Anduin: ok... was just looking at 'mon' to see what I could do to test... will check the users list for references to monit

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ben1:

dam amazon

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Alowishus:

is there a standard TCP type interaction I can do with the backend to verify it's alive?

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Anduin:

Alowishus: You can also use a script to run the backend, don't fork, and restart when it exits.

[22:09:55]

ben1:

cant cache images that strange

[22:09:56]

Alowishus:

similar to how one would telnet to port 25 of a mail server to check for a banner

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Alowishus:

Anduin: hm yeah... trying to avoid doing anything drastically different from how Ubuntu set it up

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Anduin:

ben1: The base of the AUP is all around driving business to them, so perfectly reasonable.

[22:10:26]

Alowishus:

(just so that I don't have to re-do my changes every time there's and update)

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ben1:

yer but caching images

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ben1:

why would that help them

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Yahooadam:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/StatusMonitoringHowTo

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Yahooadam:

@alowishus

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Alowishus:

Yahooadam: ooh excellent thanks...

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Yahooadam:

i assumed you were asking to find out when it had crashed ;)

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Yahooadam:

not how to make sure it keeps going

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Yahooadam:

mythtv init script needs work

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ben1:

why does it take so long to change channels

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nordle:

How on earth am I reading a post from a guy who feeds his xv37 lcd 1920x1080, when it has a max res of 1360x768? Does the tv aut-scale down? Surely, if I sent this via my dvi pc nvidia card, it _could_ bugger the TV. Or at the very least it will say "out of range" etc

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Yahooadam:

ben1, because the tuner changes channel, then caches a second or 2 of program as it starts to record, then it shows you it

[22:15:43]

Yahooadam:

i think ..

[22:15:55]

ben1:

is there anyway to stop it caching the 2 secs

[22:16:20]

ben1:

i dont see why it needs to do that

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directhex:

nordle, it might say out of range, it wouldn't break

[22:17:06]

directhex:

nordle, but you're right, running non-native res is stupid

[22:17:36]

laga:

ben1: sigh. check the mailing list, that horse has been beaten to death multiple times

[22:17:50]

ben1:

mailing list?

[22:17:57]

ben1:

i didnt know there where any

[22:18:06]

ben1:

in conclusion what did they say?

[22:18:17]

laga:

ben1: in conclusion? "no"

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Anduin:

ben1: The delay is there to wean you away from live TV

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Yahooadam:

lol

[22:19:42]

nordle:

directhex: There appears to be a problem with dvi/vga inputs on this tv which means people have to use component to get nice video, but crappy desktop. One guy reckons by forcing it to use 1080i it fixes it. I'm not so sure. Someone else reckons running at 50hz solved the issue, but again, its not a native setting.

[22:20:05]

floppyears:

hi guys

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directhex:

nordle, both solutions are missing the point

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floppyears:

is there a way to get statistics on mythbackend, processes, recordings, etc from the command line ?

[22:20:36]

directhex:

nordle, their solution appears to be "make it scale everything, fuzzy > all"

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AndyCap:

nordle: what tv and did you check pixelmapping.wikispaces.com?

[22:22:05]

mathias999us:

Help with an intermittent RingBuf error?

[22:22:58]

nordle:

directhex: The picture is amazing, deep blacks, great colour depth, truly fantastic. BUT when a panning shot occurs, it seems to judder / tear the picture in half as the top half shifts 2% further than the bottom half while it catches up. It's a minor, but totally ruins the experiance as you come back down to earth with a bump and realise that its just a movie. It must be fixable though. An external dvd player seems the way to go, but I'd like to

[22:23:11]

ben1:

hey whens multiplexing comming?

[22:23:37]

nordle:

AndyCap: Its a Hannspree XV37 JT02-E02 native 1360x768@60

[22:23:38]

mathias999us:

Mythfrontend seems to be looking for the wrong file in the recordings for both recordings, and intermittently for liveTV on the half hour

[22:23:54]

GreyFoxx:

ben1: You can have it not in the multirec branch

[22:24:21]

GreyFoxx:

err have it now

[22:24:25]

ben1:

do we

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ben1:

i have 2 cards and 2 front ends --if one is recording and one frontend is watching i cant watch on the other front

[22:25:29]

nordle:

AndyCap: Great link, thanks.

[22:25:32]

GreyFoxx:

you can watch a recording :)

[22:25:55]

GreyFoxx:

but like I said, the multirec branch is there if you want to try it (assuming you have dvb cards)

[22:26:11]

ben1:

yes

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AndyCap:

nordle: tearing and judder is well, the bane of your modern flatpanel existence. :P

[22:29:14]

ben1:

on mythtv web when you have selected a text input on a webpage it should ignore the key bindings

[22:29:20]

nordle:

AndyCap: I can't believe that, I'd never heard it until buying it (after googling for a month and not reading it). Now I searched, and bang, 0000's of hits. Some guys swear blind that this thing is perfect over DVI for desktop and perfect for component for DVD. I might have to setup a twinview to test. But I've spent 3 days arsing about getting nowhere.

[22:29:45]

mathias999us:

nordle: I used to get tearing with the top half just like you describe with my Panasonic 50PX50U (same res as yours), and after I added the UseEvents option and removed the glx module from Xorg, it completely vanished, on looks perfect on large, panning scenes now....

[22:31:51]

nordle:

mathia999us: UseEvents? You removed the glx module, wow, ok. I have a screenie of what I mean, look familier? 5MB video http://www.nordle.org/files/dsc_flicker_tear.avi or http://www.nordle.org/files/png_flicker_tear.png 500k

[22:32:25]

Yahooadam:

you took that with a screenshot ?

[22:32:32]

directhex:

nordle, that sounds like a vsync issue to me

[22:32:43]

nordle:

oops, I meant mathias999us.....missed the s :)

[22:33:16]

Yahooadam:

time to play a game :)

[22:33:21]

Yahooadam:

enjoy yall :)

[22:33:34]

nordle:

Yahooadam: The avi is from a digi camera, photo not vid, but it kinda does vid. So I sat infront of the TV and filmed it. The 500k screenie is just taken from the avi file playing on my desktop

[22:33:51]

AndyCap:

nordle: in nvidia-settings you have a vblank setting for XV or video overlya

[22:34:12]

Yahooadam:

nordle, being able to SS it makes me think its an issue with the computer and not the screen

[22:34:17]

Yahooadam:

so most likely some option with the gfx

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nordle:

no no, the ss is of the avi

[22:35:05]

nordle:

I filmed the TV doing it

[22:35:31]

nordle:

I also tried a nvidia 6200 as well as a 6800, exactly the same

[22:35:54]

nordle:

0/SyncToVBlank=1

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nordle:

0/XVideoTextureSyncToVBlank=1

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nordle:

AndyCap: vblank 1

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AndyCap:

nordle: not sure what they're for xorg.conf, but is that the video or opengl setting?

[22:37:43]

AndyCap:

nordle: umm, nevermind. :P

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AndyCap:

nordle: what fps is the video vs the screen refresh rate?

[22:38:38]

nordle:

mathias999us: What modules does your xorg load?

[22:39:09]

CyberKnet:

gah.

[22:39:17]

nordle:

"type1" Load "freetype" #Load "glx" Load "i2c" Load "int10" Load "vbe" Load "ddc" Load "GLcore" Load "dri"

[22:39:19]

CyberKnet:

I plug in the firewire cable, and the machine freezes!

[22:39:35]

nordle:

Load "dbe"

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mathias999us:

One sec

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mathias999us:

I'm loading i2c, bitmap, ddc, extmod, freetype, int10, and vbe

[22:42:10]

AndyCap:

btw. Option "ModeValidation" "NoWidthAlignmentCheck" does allow nvidiacards to output the braindamaged 1366 wide resolution panels have.

[22:42:28]

mathias999us:

I'm also using an nVidia 6800 like you. I haven't messed with any vsync options, but I can go look what they are set to if you'd like

[22:42:46]

mathias999us:

I've commented out the Load glx like you had there.

[22:43:38]

mathias999us:

And I added Option "UseEvents" "True" to the device section for the nVidia card itself.

[22:44:01]

mathias999us:

I looked at you PNG – that's EXACTLY the problem I had, and it's totally gone now.

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jblack:

greyfoxx: Can I talk privately with you for a few minutes?

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ben1:

how easy would it be to make a modules that ouputs simple commands to rs232

[22:44:49]

jblack:

ben1: As a kernel module, pretty easy.

[22:45:03]

ben1:

a mythtv plugin i meant

[22:45:22]

directhex:

ben1, what for?

[22:45:56]

ben1:

i have wireless lights which come with a rs232 interface

[22:46:02]

ben1:

and i would like to control them

[22:46:20]

AndyCap:

mathias999us: seems you're not the only one: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=18630

[22:46:33]

jblack:

Slightly harder, as you'd first have to have a kernel module that covers the new device and sets up an inode in /dev, minor tinkering to whatever manages /dev for you and setting appropriate permissions, and a myth module to throw bytes at it.

[22:46:38]

AndyCap:

ben1: what should trigger the control? could you not do it with lirc etc?

[22:46:53]

AndyCap:

jblack: well. you could just use the serialdevice that's already there

[22:46:57]

ben1:

i would like to have a menu

[22:46:58]

jblack:

The built in serial driver might cover the kernel part, if it's strictly a serial device.

[22:47:02]

ben1:

where i can set the scene

[22:47:15]

ben1:

all it needs is 5 scenes and fade up and down

[22:48:00]

AndyCap:

ben1: http://www.myhdbox.com/mythtips/2006/04/tip-2 . . . vs-menus.php

[22:48:14]

mathias999us:

Hey AndyCap – what's that about using the 1366x768? That's my display's native res, but I've always settled for the 1280x720...

[22:48:29]

directhex:

i run 1360x768

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mathias999us:

DVI?

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AndyCap:

mathias999us: works ok for movies but makes your desktop ugly right? :P

[22:49:07]

directhex:

mathias999us, VGA

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AndyCap:

ben1: then make a program or script to output the commands.

[22:49:20]

ben1:

i dont know how to

[22:49:26]

mathias999us:

AndyCap: desktop ugly?

[22:49:42]

AndyCap:

mathias999us: uneven font scaling etc. some lines thicker than others

[22:49:42]

ben1:

do the rs232

[22:50:01]

mathias999us:

Any chance to get 136?x768 working with DVI/HDMI?

[22:50:08]

directhex:

mathias999us, depends on your TV

[22:50:15]

directhex:

mathias999us, e.g. samsung LCD sets: no chance

[22:50:18]

AndyCap:

mathias999us: should be possible if the tv can accept it.

[22:50:51]

mathias999us:

Panasonic 50PX50U... haven't had much luck googling for modes on it...

[22:50:57]

AndyCap:

directhex: depends on the set: http://pixelmapping.wikispaces.com/Samsung+TVs

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AndyCap:

ben1: an expect script for instance.

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directhex:

AndyCap, yeah. and samsung's lcd ranges would be the LE ones which have a 26" model

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mathias999us:

AndyCap: Yeah, desktop isn't perfect like you've describe (not as annoying as the overscan though, which I'm guessing wouldn't go away with a native res signal)

[22:52:14]

|Torg|:

whats with these plasma tvs that dont do 1080?

[22:52:30]

directhex:

|Torg|, they're plasma. and they don't do 1080

[22:52:37]

AndyCap:

mathias999us: maybe, maybe not

[22:52:40]

|Torg|:

arnt there any that do

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|Torg|:

im just wondering what stupid ass decided to make 1366x768 and 1360x768 for a tv and claim its HD

[22:53:43]

directhex:

|Torg|, who decides what HD is?

[22:53:47]

mathias999us:

Torg – it's true, that's such a lame res. I'm one of those fools that bought a 50" plasma 3 years ago...

[22:53:52]

nordle:

Your all legends!! I was truly despairing, this gives new hope! I've saved the .txt for tomorrow......damn work, gets in the way of whats truly important!

[22:54:00]

AndyCap:

didn't think the plasma panels were 1366.

[22:54:21]

directhex:

|Torg|, 720p has a resolution 3x higher than dvd. that's not higher definition?

[22:54:26]

AndyCap:

|Torg|: http://hd1080i.blogspot.com/2006/12/1080i-on- . . . roblems.html

[22:54:28]

|Torg|:

directhex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Alliance_%28HDTV%29

[22:54:43]

|Torg|:

AndyCap I know all about the problems

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directhex:

|Torg|, *gently caress* america

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ben1:

AndyCap: eg room 0 scene 0

[22:54:53]

ben1:

AndyCap: eg room 0 scene 0

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mathias999us:

Andy: Yeah, mine's a plasma at 1366 – 1080{ip} displays were pretty rary three years ago...

[22:55:02]

AndyCap:

|Torg|: he's got a theory as to why

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ben1:

AndyCap: sorry, thats it

[22:55:30]

AndyCap:

|Torg|: which if is true is mind-numbingly stupid

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AndyCap:

ben1: what? that's what you send to the serial port?

[22:55:58]

ben1:

AndyCap: yer thats it

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|Torg|:

AndyCap were that theory correct nobody would have a 1080I/P tv, and mine is

[22:56:24]

AndyCap:

|Torg|: ?

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ben1:

AndyCap: would it be possible to do eg lights -room 1 -scene 4

[22:57:20]

AndyCap:

|Torg|: it's why they decided to make them 1366x768 instead of 1280x720 which is pretty stupid.

[22:57:24]

|Torg|:

he claims its a memory chip issue, its not

[22:58:12]

|Torg|:

I personly thing is marking BS, like a K is 1000 byts, go ask Seagate

[22:58:31]

AndyCap:

|Torg|: the simpler explanation is that it's wider 1024x768 panels, but I don't quite go for that either

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AndyCap:

ben1: well, if you make the script "lights" sure. :P

[22:59:28]

ben1:

AndyCap: umm not that sure how to make lights

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ben1:

i think i know someone who does

[23:00:16]

ben1:

i just have to echo to /dev/ttys0

[23:00:18]

ben1:

??

[23:00:26]

ben1:

or something like that?

[23:00:34]

AndyCap:

ben1: now, this is fairly stupid. but you could set correct speed etc with stty < /dev/ttyS0 and try echo blah > /dev/ttyS0

[23:00:53]

AndyCap:

ben1: if all you need to do is output text with linefeed to the serial port

[23:01:09]

ben1:

yer

[23:01:13]

ben1:

that would work

[23:01:28]

ben1:

the speed is 9600

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ben1:

it would be com1

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ben1:

or ttyS0

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mathias999us:

Anyone that can help with an intermittent RingBuf error?

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ben1:

is usb as easy as rs232

[23:11:06]

ben1:

??

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laga:

mathias999us: what version of mythtv?

[23:14:18]

mathias999us:

laga: Currently running latest 0.20.2, but also applies to 0.20.0 (had same prob there too)

[23:14:42]

floppyears:

hi, is there a way to interact with the backend from the cli ?

[23:14:57]

mathias999us:

laga: Problem is, mythfrontend is looking for a slightly different filename than what is getting created in the recordings dir

[23:15:18]

directhex:

ben1, nowhere near

[23:15:28]

laga:

ah

[23:15:30]

laga:

mathias999us: in livetv?

[23:17:36]

ben1:

AndyCap: i can write the lights

[23:17:59]

ben1:

AndyCap: if you could do a simple gui?

[23:18:16]

mathias999us:

laga: I noticed the problem in LiveTV first. It happens right on the hour or the half-hour. Then, last night, I noticed the same prob occurs with scheduled recordings too.

[23:18:47]

mathias999us:

If I go to play a recording from earlier, it is looking for a slightly different filename

[23:19:26]

mathias999us:

For instance, I had recorded a show, and then went to play it

[23:19:45]

mathias999us:

mythfrontend gave a ringbuf error, and it was looking for:

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mathias999us:

/var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1021_20070908070000.mpg

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mathias999us:

That file didn't exist, but

[23:20:29]

mathias999us:

/var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1021_20070908070430.mpg existing and contained the correct recording

[23:20:58]

mathias999us:

So, for some reason, myth is logging a filename in the database that does not quite match the filename it writes to the disk...

[23:21:02]

laga:

hum

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mathias999us:

Yeah...

[23:21:11]

laga:

i think the second problem is interesting

[23:21:23]

laga:

i haven't heard that one before

[23:21:26]

mathias999us:

They are both the same problem I believe.

[23:21:29]

laga:

you should report that on svn.mythtv.org

[23:21:49]

mathias999us:

On the half-hour, when watching LiveTV, myth will switch files...

[23:21:49]

laga:

mathias999us: maybe

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laga:

but i dont see why it would occur with recordings

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mathias999us:

It seems like the same thing. With recordings, it's looking for the wrong filename. Same thing on the half-hour, when it is switching files. Using LiveTV, when I get the error, I can go find the file that it *should* have been looking for when it failed.

[23:23:53]

laga:

mathias999us: report it anyways

[23:24:09]

laga:

might get closed as a duplicate but it's still interesting

[23:24:19]

mathias999us:

The annoying thing is that this has happened on 2 different distros, with both 0.20.0 and 0.20.2, AND I compiled latest svn one time with same problem. BUT, it was working flawlessly for several months on same hardware with FC6

[23:24:20]

laga:

mathias999us: or look for existing bug reports, #2335 is related AFAIK

[23:24:49]

mathias999us:

OK, I'll check that out – thanks laga

[23:24:54]

laga:

mathias999us: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2335

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CyberKnet:

gah. firewire on fedora7 for mythtv seems to be a bit of a pickle

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GreyFoxx:

a few people have complained about firewire on Fedora

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hads:

Is anyone seeing issues with mythvideo playback post mythtv-vid merge?

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CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: what kernel are you running on your myth box?

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GreyFoxx:

2.6.19.2 on one backend, 2.6.21.5 on the other

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minthome:

so i'm assuming that 0.20.20070717–1 doesn't have SD built into it.. i have to do another svn update?

[23:40:49]

ben1:

how do i create a new line in echo

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GreyFoxx:

minthome: You assume correctly

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** minthome curses and gets a beer. **

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ben1:

eg echo "hi newline hi"

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Anduin:

ben1: \n

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ben1:

ah ok

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ben1:

doesnt seem to work

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CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: any chance I could get your latest niveus code?

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GreyFoxx:

Sure,

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|Torg|:

ben1 what shell?

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ben1:

sh i think

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GreyFoxx:

fyi I switched remotes the otherday though :) No longer using the niveus

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Anduin:

ben1: -e

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|Torg|:

try echo -e

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ben1:

ah

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CyberKnet:

uh-oh

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CyberKnet:

that doesn't bode well for me

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GreyFoxx:

my niveous has been dying a slow death for a while now

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jblack:

greyfoxx: Hi. Can I talk with you privately for a few minutes?

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GreyFoxx:

jblack: err I suppose. Assuming you are registered on this network

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CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: Hmmm... were your changes incompatible with ati_remote kernel driver, or did they just never accept the changes upstream?

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GreyFoxx:

CyberKnet: hold on, I'll popup the source

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jblack:

Yup.

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jonesgeek:

anyone here using a mac mini as a mythfrontend?

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jonesgeek:

\intel

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GreyFoxx:

CyberKnet: I just never heard back from themand I didn't pursue it. My current 2.6.19.2 version is a hack but it works :)

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ben1:

i need it like this

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ben1:

echo r 65 \r s 2 > /dev/ttyS0

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CyberKnet:

I wonder what it would take to get them to support it...

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GreyFoxx:

CyberKnet: www.phaze.org/ati_remote.c

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GreyFoxx:

like I said it was a hack.

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laga:

heh

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laga:

nice conincidence

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CyberKnet:

laga?

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laga:

i just submitted my lircd.conf for the ati remote wonder to the lirc guys

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CyberKnet:

laga: this is for the Niveus PC Remote

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GreyFoxx:

laga: hehe

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laga:

CyberKnet: oh. i'll be quiet then.

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CyberKnet:

laga: It's a hacked up copy of the ati remote wonder driver, iirc

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CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx has been maintaining it for a long while

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laga:

CyberKnet: this one? http://www.xtremecomputing.co.uk/images/revie . . . image015.jpg

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CyberKnet:

and now I'll never be able to update a kernel again =P"

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CyberKnet:

heh

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CyberKnet:

laga: yes

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laga:

CyberKnet: looks like the ati remote wonder i'm using, except for the colors.

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laga:

CyberKnet: does yours have squeaky buttons as well?

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CyberKnet:

laga: Yes... GreyFoxx could speak more directly to the driver differences.

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CyberKnet:

laga: squeaky?

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GreyFoxx:

The remote wonder + niveus were based off the same reference design

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GreyFoxx:

the x10 lola, remote wonder, niveus, onebox mc, and meridon all were and are only small code differences between them

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laga:

CyberKnet: yes. the buttons make squeaky noises when you push them

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laga:

i still wonder why they called the remote "lola".

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CyberKnet:

laga: no, mine isn't squeaky

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laga:

CyberKnet: ah, thought it was a common problem

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CyberKnet:

laga: although the buttons do feel like a very soft plastic

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laga:

heh

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laga:

mine was 5€ so i won't complain

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CyberKnet:

It's a great remote

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laga:

a bit heavy

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CyberKnet:

If I ever run into trouble with a kernel upgrade, I'll probably buy a mainstream supported version.

[23:51:25]

laga:

ah, i keep forgetting that i won't complain. ;)

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CyberKnet:

a little heavy

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CyberKnet:

but I like the weight personally

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laga:

CyberKnet: maybe it's supported by lirc and their atilibusb driver

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laga:

which happens to work better for me anyways

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CyberKnet:

laga: I don't know enough about the hardware differences to know....

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GreyFoxx:

CyberKnet: I picked up a MCE remote the other day. It was amazingly easy to setup. Not even 5 minutes including compiling an cvs of lirc

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CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx has tried to explain it before (at my request) but apparently I just didn't get it :)

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laga:

heh

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CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: RF?

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GreyFoxx:

CyberKnet: I have node if if it's RF or not

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GreyFoxx:

no idea

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CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: I assume then that you are using IR?

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laga:

GreyFoxx: does it have an IR diode?

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GreyFoxx:

laga: I can't actually see. It's behind a plastic shield

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laga:

GreyFoxx: screwdriver? ;)

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tjcarter:

I do rather wish the MCE remotes were available in RF form

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tjcarter:

Someone probably makes one, but I've never seen it

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote third picture from the left

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GreyFoxx:

It says IR

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GreyFoxx:

and it has what appear to be 2 transmitters on it

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CyberKnet:

I really like the RF factor of the niveus/ati remotes

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Yahooadam:

whats wrong with IR remotes :s

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hads:

The MCE remotes IR but they have pretty darn good range.

[23:56:54]

Yahooadam:

my hauppage PVR-kit remote rox

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iamben:

Yahooadam: yeah mine sucks

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CyberKnet:

hmmm... I'm getting a SLAM_ATOMICA undefined

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hads:

Our lounge room is 12m long and it easily does the full length.

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Yahooadam:

if i point it away from the reciever, it still picks it up

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iamben:

i have a rev1 pvr250, most generic remote ever

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Yahooadam:

by away, i mean the oposite way

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iamben:

all my remotes work if i point at the opposite wall

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|Torg|:

I havea a wireless keyboard I do the same with, works in the next room too

[23:58:00]

Yahooadam:

doesnt matter which wall i point at, it still picks it up

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tjcarter:

I was always fond of the Sony TiVo remote

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CoasterMaster:

I'm having trouble getting my MCE remote to work as well. irw just dumps me back to the command line

[23:59:18]

Yahooadam:

just make sure the batts are still good and it works great

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tjcarter:

Not the peanut.

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Yahooadam:

coastermaster, when you type irw

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Yahooadam:

does it imediatly drop out ?

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CoasterMaster:

yeah, i type irw, it immediately quits and sends me back to the command line

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Yahooadam:

or does it drop when you press a button on the remote

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CyberKnet:

I don't think lirc_atiusb works for the Niveus remote

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