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Wednesday, September 5th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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mike3_:

So is http://schedulesdirect.org/ what is replacing zap2it labs?

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fryfrog:

Tanthrix: that is a good question, i suspect they are both paid entertainers (i think they dance on stage?) but also maybe fans / groupies who roam around the convention as well.

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fryfrog:

I'm not a big fan of goth music, so i'm not sure :)

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fryfrog:

they are called "Cruxshadow" I think?

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romany1984:

anyone know what the heck happened to happysat.org? been down for at least 2 days now....

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|Torg|:

probably taken down for illegal activity

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Yahooadam:

tut tut

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|Torg|:

This account has been suspended.

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|Torg|:

Either the domain has been overused, or the reseller ran out of resources.

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mike3_:

So now we have to pay to get our lineup of channels?

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mike3_:

There is no free service like zap2it labs?

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|Torg|:

so now you *CAN* pay

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directhex:

mike3_, availability of free channel listings varies by country. sone very old case law is what controls your listings in .us

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directhex:

mike3_, in .uk we have EIT (over the air, 7 days' worth, all channels) or the radio times (who have a machine-parseable 14-day detailed guide for 250-odd channels, free)

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BULLE:

dunno the exact legal situation here, but there is afree xmltv grabber for sweden

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directhex:

http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/channels.dat is the list of channels, http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/$CHANNUM.dat is the data itself

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mike3_:

how the heck do i get mythtv to retrieve the line ups from schedulesdirect.org?

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|Torg|:

update your software, or use one of the xmlgrabbers made for it

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iamben:

get the new mythtv that supports SD, its a lot better than trying to set up the xmltv grabber

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BULLE:

directhex: he, it seems that the chaps that run the swedish xmltv basicly just have been in contact with all channels, and asked them to get programming info, and basicly all channels have happily said yes

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fryfrog:

wow

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BULLE:

iamben: totaly depends on where you live, for my setting upp xmltv was extremely easy

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|Torg|:

do any of you have Sky?

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cout:

any idea on how to dim the LEDs on a silverstone htpc case?

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fryfrog:

that is just retardedly awesome

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mike3_:

iamben, which version has SD support?

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fryfrog:

cout: actually, i was *just* thinking about that last night

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|Torg|:

0.20.2

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mike3_:

iamben, and where in mythbackend do I set it up?

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fryfrog:

I was thinking of going to get some stick on car window tinting stuff

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fryfrog:

for my stereo and alarm clocks, specifically

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iamben:

mike3_: in mythtv-setup, go to video sources, and select the SD grabber

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cout:

I found a post that said to use a sharpie, but I don't want to try it

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fryfrog:

i'm thinking of painting the SUPER BRIGHT power led on my middle channel speaker with black or blue fingernail polish

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cout:

I thought of using a resistor

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cout:

I don't know what resistance to use, though

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fryfrog:

oh, thats a very technial one :/

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cout:

I don't even know what voltage is going through that curciuit (though I guess I could test it...)

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iamben:

my friend is building an LCD clock that is about 1.5' x 8', its briiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

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Smirnov:

does anyone know how to make mplayer take up less of the screen? my tv has got mad overscan

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iamben:

err LED

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|Torg|:

LEDs for the most part done have power modes and you can not set the brightness via a resitor

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BULLE:

should be a law against bright shiny leds on middle channel speakers, tvs etc

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|Torg|:

they are pretty muhc a 0 or 1 component

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BULLE:

|Torg|: either you exite the electrons or you dont ?

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|Torg|:

sorta BULLE

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fryfrog:

erm, that is not quite true

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|Torg|:

its a diode, by defenition it has two states

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fryfrog:

as you apply less voltage, it dims in brightness

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|Torg|:

some have more then one however

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fryfrog:

go buy an led flashlight and turn it on, stare into it for a few hours (or days?) until the battaries are supplying less than nominal voltage

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fryfrog:

oh, sorry, did you say LED or LCD?

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fryfrog:

er, mean?

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|Torg|:

LED

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fryfrog:

LED, yes then

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fryfrog:

LCD i dunno

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Smirnov:

you can PWM LEDs if you want them to grow less brightly

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cout:

http://martybugs.net/articles/bling.cgi

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tjcarter:

the only LEDs I tend to care about are those ridiculous blue ones

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|Torg|:

neat, I just unplug them on my cases

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cout:

what's PWM?

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fryfrog:

pulse width modulate?

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Smirnov:

yes

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tjcarter:

those I usually solve by taking devices apart and hitting them with a black sharpie

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tjcarter:

it helps a little.

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|Torg|:

hes talkigna bout powering them off and on in rapid sucession making them apear less bright

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fryfrog:

hehe

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|Torg|:

not EXACTLY what cout was asking

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Smirnov:

sorry i got here a few mins ago :)

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fryfrog:

that'd be kind of hard to do

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|Torg|:

Smirnov he was asking if he could put a resitor inline with it to make it less bright

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fryfrog:

are they behind a screen? or are they just plain old LEDs?

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fryfrog:

or is it actually an LCD screen you are talking about?

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cout:

it's just the HDD LED

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cout:

and the power LED

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Smirnov:

|Torg|: ahhh ok

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fryfrog:

i'd go with a sharpie then

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fryfrog:

black, probably?

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cout:

they stare at me ominously

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|Torg|:

http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2007/06/japan_gets_aglo.html

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cout:

I'm afriaid of the sharpie option, since it can't be undone, and I'm not sure it won't look bad

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fryfrog:

at night, the one on my computer's middle channel speaker makes a bit of my soul die every time i go in

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fryfrog:

sharpie can be undone, with alcohol i'd wager

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|Torg|:

you have a soul?

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fryfrog:

or you could always replace the led with red/ir

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Smirnov:

oooh, led dresses

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fryfrog:

not much left of it, but yes i guess?

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|Torg|:

http://hsw.sharkle.com/splayer.swf?id=2413&am . . . 3&auto=1

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|Torg|:

$16,000 thats not too expensive, esp for an anoying dress :P

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BULLE:

|Torg|: pretty neat, now just add a small pc with some solid state disks, that holds your mythrecordings, and you can display your mythrecordings on your clothes

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cout:

I can't even find my sharpie

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|Torg|:

ouch!

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cout:

this regular marker worked okay, but not enough

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BULLE:

i avoided to buy a case with leds on, just because its annoying

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BULLE:

dunno why they bother with lots of leds on a htpc type case

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fryfrog:

i like to have some indication of power, hdd activity... but i don't need it to light up the room or blind anyone who looks directly into it

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BULLE:

or, why they dont do as the highend video/audio equipment does, allow you to off the leds if you want

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|Torg|:

or for that matter but in red ones that arnt so damn bright

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fryfrog:

or green even

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|Torg|:

hell somehting thats a power indicator not a damn flashlight

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Smirnov:

is it possible to use nvidia overscan option on a dvi connector?

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|Torg|:

yes, why?

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Smirnov:

cause i need to do that

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Smirnov:

can you give me any pointers? i dont see overscan when i run nvidia-settings

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|Torg|:

it shuldnt matter if yuo connect it via DVI or not

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|Torg|:

it would be a modeline

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|Torg|:

when you say overscan do you mean over size?

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BULLE:

|Torg|: i think he just means the overscan setting for the tv out of nvidia cards

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|Torg|:

oh

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Smirnov:

yes.. i need it to render everything with less pixels

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|Torg|:

in myth you can limit the display

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Smirnov:

well yeah, and i mostly use myth for mythvideo (mplayer) now

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BULLE:

i think you should do as torg suggested, config myth to use some black borders basicly

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BULLE:

a little trial and error should help you find the right size of the borders

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iamben:

fryfrog: my hughesnet modem has FIVE bright blue led's on the front, and in a working state, they are all on =(

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fryfrog:

nice :/

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mike3_:

this blows. I'm in canada and I would like a free channel listing like zap2it. I now have to pay........ :s

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fryfrog:

at least you can "see" with the power out

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iamben:

it currently has a tshirt thrown over it

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fryfrog:

mike3_: i'd like a free channel listing too, maybe we can convince some rich person to pay for it for us all

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iamben:

mike3_: paying rocks!

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|Torg|:

mike3_ it will allow you more then at max 3 days worth of listings, there more acurate and provide you with informaiton zap2it never did

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fryfrog:

what extra info does SD have that DD didn't?

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|Torg|:

zap2it basicly gave you free substandard service

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mike3_:

|Torg|, I had 2 weeks with zap2it

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Smirnov:

and also what about making the mplayer subtitles smaller? they're humongous

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|Torg|:

correct eppisode infromation for one

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mike3_:

|Torg|, but if it can fill all my channels up with data, AWESOME!

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|Torg|:

proper marking of new episdes as in seriezx premiwes for two

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fryfrog:

SD comes *from* DD, so how could it be any better?

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|Torg|:

and a few other I have seen posted but not have personally seen

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|Torg|:

fryfrog you would have to ask rmedean about that, I supsoed from what I seet here is more then just downloading the data

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|Torg|:

its setup for xml parsers, normalized and gzipped for one fact I know

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fryfrog:

ah

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|Torg|:

what that normilzaion is however he didnt tell me

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|Torg|:

there is also a developer thread about what the data is and how to manipulate it, but to supose anything would be guessing on my part

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|Torg|:

I dont have access to the servers and am just an end user like everyone else

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cout:

sigh. mythtv just stopped responding to keyboard input again.

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mike3_:

well I did get all my channel info. zap2it never di that

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|Torg|:

so pay the $15 its not like yur wasting money or that its a major deal

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|Torg|:

I do know for a fact the develoerp do not get paid for it, and how much work they put into it

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|Torg|:

and so far all the money made has been to reimburse the developers

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|Torg|:

as in yes they frontend the money for everything to INCLUDE the TMS data license

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|Torg|:

compared to that your $15 is miniscule

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BULLE:

usd 15 a year ?

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|Torg|:

for 3 months untill costs can be determined

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BULLE:

oh, well, still, i would hope the price goes down, but for 3 months its still acceptable

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|Torg|:

its not a profit comany that maes business decideions based upn marketing reserch

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|Torg|:

its a few people who take the costs and split it amongt the users, thats it

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BULLE:

ye, i can imagine its not easy to calculate a price

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BULLE:

until the bussines is upp and running, and you have all the costs, and the number of subscribers etc

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|Torg|:

there is a 7 or 8 day grace period and 3 months for $15

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BULLE:

the chaps that run the swedish xmltv system doesnt even accept donations, but they do suggest to give it to some charity, so i have donated 10e in their name, once

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BULLE:

seemed very fair to me

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|Torg|:

god if nothing else your refusal to pay $15 screwes the rest of us

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BULLE:

|Torg|: huh ?

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** BULLE is not sure what he would to with us program listings **

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|Torg|:

not you, I was talking to those how think paying for it is too much

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BULLE:

ah

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BULLE:

heck, just check what you pay for some sort of paper tv guide, or just newspaper that has tv listings

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BULLE:

it adds upp pretty quick

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TelnetManta:

can anyone tell me how to turn off subtitles in mythtv

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TelnetManta:

erm mythvideo

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|Torg|:

if it cost $1000 and there were 10 people it would be $100 per person if it were 100 people it would be $10 per person. So anyone not paying simply hursts th rest of us

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TelnetManta:

when watching an iso dvd

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|Torg|:

and yes BULLE its cheaper then buying the newspaper and reading the guide in print

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|Torg|:

so BULLE Im sorry, after reading that it does look like I was talking about you. It was unintentional, sorry.

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TelnetManta:

anyone?

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|Torg|:

dvd subtitles are a dvd thing and setup by the dvd menus

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TelnetManta:

k, just wanted to make sure

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|Torg|:

and I would be more surpised if yuo asked how to turn the ON, thats actualy a hard thing

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xanderp:

ok, i've upgraded to SD for listings, and now all my channels are screwed up. They appear to be tuned to the wrong freq's. anyone else had this?

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|Torg|:

no but it sounds like your xmltvids are wrong

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xanderp:

?? what's that?

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xanderp:

i switched from zap2it listings to sd, and the channels all repopulated, but they don't tune correctly.

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|Torg|:

all SD did was give you channels based upon xmltvids

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|Torg|:

it dosnt change tuning informaition, add or update any channel info

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xanderp:

hmmm

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|Torg|:

in fact all mythfillupdate changes is the program table, not the channel table (unless you told it to dlete chanensl, someting zap2it was famous for)

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fryfrog:

are you using analog cable/ota stuff, ie pvr150?

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xanderp:

1 pvr350, and 2 250's.

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fryfrog:

i ended up just nuking my old line up and binding, then re-creating it

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fryfrog:

though i didn't have my pvr500 actually bound to start with

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xanderp:

arrr, 1 350, and 2 150's.

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fryfrog:

same diff :)

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fryfrog:

but using cable, right?

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xanderp:

yes, analog.

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fryfrog:

yeah, if i were you i'd do the "delete all" thing in the umm, listings section?

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xanderp:

will i lose all my scheduled program recordings and have to set them up again if i delete all?

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fryfrog:

then re add a brand new, clean listings service

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fryfrog:

then bind it

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xanderp:

(upcoming recordings)

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fryfrog:

no, the recording schedules are totally different from the channel data

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ServerSage:

xanderp: No. It will remember what you want to record and reschedule when you add the card and bind.

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xanderp:

k, will try that. thanks

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fryfrog:

yeah, that

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fryfrog:

the db stores the shows you want to record, also stores (seperately) the shows available

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xanderp:

delete the cards as well? or no?

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fryfrog:

every 5 minutes or so it checks those, compares them and schedules things to record

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fryfrog:

no, leave the cards

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fryfrog:

i mean, you can delete them if you *want* but i don't see any reason to

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xanderp:

hmm, i believe i did delete the original zap2it, and then installed the SD, but i'll try again.

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xanderp:

ok, i've deleted all video sources

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xanderp:

channel editor shows as blank

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fryfrog:

k

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fryfrog:

no re-add SD

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fryfrog:

once done with that, go down to umm, input connections?

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fryfrog:

and bind the new "listing" to the tuner input on your pvr150

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fryfrog:

i bet you simply forgot to do that, now that i think about it

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fryfrog:

when you deleted the old DD, it would have nuked the link between tuner0, tuner1, tuner2 and the SD listing

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fryfrog:

you need to go re-create it

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xanderp:

i actually did that for all 3 tuners, but they tune to the wrong freq's.

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fryfrog:

humm

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xanderp:

doing it again though

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fryfrog:

you aren't in a weird area, are you?

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xanderp:

nope

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xanderp:

I did the 'retrieve listings' piece.

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|Torg|:

fryfrog im curious, all i did was go to my sources and chaged a pulldown box. i did add or chage cards, channels or inputs. why erase them and start over?

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xanderp:

and it found my SD account.

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: only cause he seemed to have fucked it up some how

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|Torg|:

ahh

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fryfrog:

xanderp: you then exited mythtv-setup, then ran "mythfilldatabase" right?

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xanderp:

yup

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|Torg|:

seems common with xmltv listings :(

[01:08:50]

fryfrog:

maybe try with "--refresh-all"?

[01:09:00]

xanderp:

should i leave it as default, or change the Channel Frequence Table to us-cable

[01:09:07]

fryfrog:

i'd say default

[01:09:22]

xanderp:

will try, that's probably where i screwed the pooch

[01:09:26]

fryfrog:

when you say i tunes to the wrong freqs, what do you mean?

[01:09:45]

fryfrog:

does it litterally tune a frequency that is a little bit off, so you get a really fuzzy image?

[01:09:47]

xanderp:

damnit, i found it

[01:09:52]

fryfrog:

or is it tuning a totally different channel?

[01:10:01]

fryfrog:

ah, glad you figured it out then :)

[01:10:04]

xanderp:

the system-wide default was for us-bcast, not us-cable

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fryfrog:

doh!

[01:10:23]

xanderp:

yes, it tunes between channels

[01:10:28]

xanderp:

fixing it now.

[01:10:33]

fryfrog:

well, i bet it won't now!

[01:11:30]

xanderp:

damn... i didn't change that, i must have manually set before to us-cable or something as an 'override'

[01:14:10]

xanderp:

mythfilldatabase running now

[01:14:27]

xanderp:

have to restart my frontend

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Esine:

is there any schedule for merging mythtv-vid with -trunk?

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|Torg|:

all I was told when I asked was "soon"

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|Torg|:

whats trac say?

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Esine:

cool.

[01:16:37]

cout:

what's mythtv-vid?

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xanderp:

I paid the $ for the SD account, but it still shows my original 7 day trial period expiration (which hasn't passed yet). Anyone know if that is normal, and they will just start my account after the 7 day period?

[01:16:49]

|Torg|:

opengl

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Esine:

|Torg|, I'm checking the -dev list and trac but nothing there it seems..

[01:17:05]

|Torg|:

yes xanderp

[01:17:09]

xanderp:

kewl

[01:17:17]

|Torg|:

in fact xanderp you shoulnt even notice a differnce

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xanderp:

just worried there may have been a glitch in my activation...

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|Torg|:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14305

[01:18:04]

|Torg|:

xanderp what makes you think that?

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xanderp:

i was just paranoid. i'll check after the 7 day trial ends...

[01:18:41]

|Torg|:

so yes Esine looks like at least part of its already been merged

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cadeon:

anyone got an osx intel 0.20.2 frontend built?

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xanderp:

anybody here used an appletv as a frontend

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Yahooadam:

lively in here tonight

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iamben:

shhhhhhhhhh

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thunter:

i'm having a problem on a newly installed 20.2 (on ubuntu) system where mythcommflag isn't running automatically. i just ran it from the command line, and it's starting to flag all the programs that have been recorded that haven't been flagged. how do I get this to run automatically? mythtv-setup has it setup to run as soon as the program starts to record.

[02:07:51]

|Torg|:

its in the setup

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thunter:

i thought i set it up in the setup. is there somewhere else I have to configure it?

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|Torg|:

if you want to edit the database by hand, yes

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|Torg|:

its on the general section of mythtv-setup, about the 4th or 5th screen in, under "allow commercial detection jobs"

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thunter:

yes. i have that option checked.

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|Torg|:

its default to on, so you must have set it off

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|Torg|:

in your recordings they are set to be checekd after recording, unless you implictly trun it off

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|Torg|:

type "mysql mythconverg -u mythtv -p" on your backend with mysql on it

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|Torg|:

put in your password then put

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|Torg|:

SELECT * FROM `settings` where `value`='JobAllowCommFlag';

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|Torg|:

then put in quit;

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|Torg|:

and pastebin the results

[02:18:28]

mike3_:

I'm experiencing a problem with schedulesdirect. It's not getting the names of my channels when doing an mythfilldatabase --do-channels-update

[02:18:39]

mike3_:

Plus I'm missing 12 hours of channel info

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Yahooadam:

i thought you guys were lieing when u said all the SD people would come out after the 1st of sept

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mike3_:

well how are you guys all getting your lineups then?

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GreyFoxx:

I use SD

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GreyFoxx:

happily for afew weeks now

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mike3_:

What gets me, Windows Media Center you get free lineups

[02:27:17]

mike3_:

now that's bull

[02:27:29]

Yahooadam:

most people in the US use SD

[02:27:44]

GreyFoxx:

Or at in the process of switching at least

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Yahooadam:

however, most people did get it sorted before Z2I got shut down

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|Torg|:

most of the users didnt come here, they ran to SD

[02:28:09]

Yahooadam:

and MCE doesnt technically get free lineups

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Yahooadam:

you paid for MCE

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|Torg|:

as of this weekend SD was averaging about 100 signups per hour

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Yahooadam:

and MS pays a company for the schedules

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|Torg|:

it got so bad this morning that the site was froezen for about 2 hours

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mike3_:

most ppl pirate that software

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Yahooadam:

i doubt "most" do

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Yahooadam:

quite alot probably do

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Yahooadam:

like the rest of windows, about 1/3 is probably pirated

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|Torg|:

microsft says 1/3, mostly so they can claim non exisnt losses to the IRS

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mike3_:

Got'cha.. I'm trying to sort out a problem on my end right now..

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|Torg|:

its proobly more like less then 10%

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mike3_:

i have channels still saying "Adding channel info". How can I fix this?

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Yahooadam:

i could accept 1/3 tbh, but if people would have paid for it instead of pirating, that i dont know

[02:30:35]

Yahooadam:

so whether they actually "lost" anything, is a completly different argument

[02:30:50]

Yahooadam:

try running mythfilldatabase ?

[02:31:24]

mike3_:

i have.. No luck

[02:31:43]

mike3_:

I get what's showing on the channel at certain times, but I do not get what the channel name is. EG: NBC

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Yahooadam:

ill leave this to somone who uses/knows about SD :p

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|Torg|:

besides Microsoft itslef admitted to more then 80% of the "pirated" copies via WGA were actauly invalid OEM licenses the users really paid a license for.

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Yahooadam:

i dont have a problem with windows particularly, but i do have a problem with the way MS do business

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|Torg|:

I have an issue of how the "enhance" open source protocals, and make it so nothing works with it but other MS products

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Yahooadam:

like elimiating all competition, locking everyone into windows

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mike3_:

that's about everyone's problem with microsoft

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mike3_:

:)

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Yahooadam:

windows is a impressive piece of software, lets face it, making an OS isnt easy

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tjcarter:

XP SP2 isn't actually a bad OS

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tjcarter:

it's not a good OS either, but it's not a bad OS.

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|Torg|:

Im using it now, mostly I have to to play games

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Yahooadam:

but every time MS does something, its another step towards us all being kept windows obiedient

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tjcarter:

Yahooadam: nah

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|Torg|:

of course the first thing I did with my new install was cygwin and MKS it

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tjcarter:

Office XML was actually an amazingly good thing for OOo compatibility

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tjcarter:

That was Microsoft's stated (but not actual) intent.

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tjcarter:

It just worked out that way =D

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Yahooadam:

but the latest version of office, breaks all compatibility, with everything >_<

[02:37:14]

aliljet:

hey — I'm just starting my research about the htpc that'll work best for me — ist here a good place to begin? (perhaps a place that includes guides/diy examples)

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tjcarter:

That's the XML version

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tjcarter:

that breakage is temporary

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aliljet:

and I'm pretty biased towards the world of mythtv — I've heard really really good things about it

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|Torg|:

but microsfot lies directly about pirated numners, they quite something like 40 million pirated copies in the US and that was 25% of all sofware, meaning ther were aproximatly 10 comptuters for every man womand and child in the US.

[02:38:05]

procyon:

Any idea when 0.20.2 will hit ubuntu or a repos i can use in the mean time ?

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Yahooadam:

if you want to use more then 1 TV source (eg, DVB and Terestrial) – mythtv is your only option aliljet

[02:38:57]

aliljet:

Yahooadam: that's good to know =) .. I may very well be planning more than 1 tv source

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Yahooadam:

ok, well then theres no need to say how much easier MCE is :p

[02:39:36]

Yahooadam:

im afraid i cant help you though, personally my experience with mythtv so far is pretty poor

[02:39:36]

aliljet:

MCE?

[02:39:43]

Yahooadam:

Media Center Edition

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tjcarter:

procyon: you can probably drop a svn export in place of the unpacked source

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tjcarter:

procyon: then build your own

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|Torg|:

Yahooadam is mostly right, expect DVB and Terestrila can be the same thing, not AND

[02:39:59]

aliljet:

ahh, I see...

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tjcarter:

of course, building Myth is not trivial on Ubuntu ;)

[02:40:21]

procyon:

yeah im looking to not do that, assuredly there is a package out there

[02:40:24]

jblack:

procyon: It's in gutsy now, and in feisty proposed backports (which is't the right name)

[02:40:28]

tjcarter:

but apt will install build deps for you, which simplifies much of it

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Yahooadam:

omg, its not in fiesty main yet ?

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|Torg|:

tjcarter, why it non trival?

[02:40:55]

Yahooadam:

it went into the proposed like a week ago :o

[02:41:03]

|Torg|:

whats so hard about it, other then how long it takes?

[02:41:05]

tjcarter:

|Torg|: Because most of us have NV cards

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aliljet:

so, should I start with mythtv.org? or is there a better community that talks through guides/diy examples?

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|Torg|:

as do I, its not diffcult

[02:41:25]

Yahooadam:

aliljet – if you find anything good, please tell me ;)

[02:41:35]

tjcarter:

Ubuntu seems to have this love/hate relationship with NV's GLX drivers and development headers

[02:41:38]

aliljet:

Yahooadam: will do =_

[02:41:40]

tjcarter:

...without the love.

[02:41:47]

Yahooadam:

i read up on mythtv – asked a few questions here, but thats mostly it

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|Torg|:

Debian dosnt, I thoght they were similar

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Yahooadam:

and to quote somone here – "mythtv isnt that good at livetv, but it really shines at recordings"

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|Torg|:

live tv is for testing your tuners, I got that from fryfrog :)

[02:42:45]

Yahooadam:

similar, but dissimilar enough to be a pain

[02:43:20]

Yahooadam:

before mythtv was in the fiesty repository, and i was trying it out, i tried to compile it then

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tjcarter:

if you set your theme painter to Qt (what's the advantage of having it OpenGL exactly?), drop back to using the nv driver, and X devel libs, you should be fine.

[02:43:31]

Yahooadam:

i think i gave up soon after

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|Torg|:

opengl to overcome XvMC

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|Torg|:

goal is to replace XV with faster opengl

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tjcarter:

|Torg|: it's based on the slight difference between Debian and Ubuntu packages. Ubuntu doesn't use Branden's stuff quite as he packages it.

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|Torg|:

ok tjcarter, I was thknig maybe I would just give him one of my pacakges :)

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tjcarter:

overcome? As in, that it's not supported with new NV cards?

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Yahooadam:

bah, we had like 2 boxes of rolls in our house, and i cant find any of them now >_<

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tjcarter:

|Torg|: it might work to do that.

[02:45:13]

tjcarter:

The differences in X aren't that substantial actually

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|Torg|:

yes overcome, or more precisly replace, its for h264

[02:45:35]

|Torg|:

I dont really follow it, so you could do better to read up on trac about it

[02:46:01]

|Torg|:

my FE plays 262 fine, as it was intended, it plays 264 fine as well, thats becase its a dual proc 3ghz box

[02:46:02]

tjcarter:

and actually, I'm not 100% sure the differences are there. Now that I consider it, it probably has more to do with Ubuntu's kernel/driver packaging, which aren't quite the same as Debian

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|Torg|:

so I dont really follow it that closly

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kslater:

does anyone know how myth determines that a tuner is in use?

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|Torg|:

via availability and priority kslater

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tjcarter:

it's probably there, yes

[02:47:03]

kslater:

what I mean is how does it know that a tuner is in use? Does it probe it somehow?

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|Torg|:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty

[02:47:10]

|Torg|:

how accurate is that?

[02:47:28]

|Torg|:

yes kslater or more exact tries to open it

[02:47:34]

tjcarter:

you know, there needs to be a bit of code added for Live TV

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|Torg|:

you can get the BE to crash if you have it locked when its time to use it and cause real nastiness if you lock it when it wants to use it

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Yahooadam:

DAMN

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kslater:

|Torg| – thanks. Trying to help a pal that upgraded and is getting all tuners in use when he tries to record or watch live tv.

[02:48:13]

Yahooadam:

i wish i had seen that guide b4 i started

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Yahooadam:

i hate you |torg|

[02:48:23]

Yahooadam:

:p

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tjcarter:

in Setup: Live TV tuner: Any available, Ask, Specific tuners here..

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|Torg|:

how that? I dont use ubunto. I use google tho :P

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tjcarter:

Ask being useful for testing

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|Torg|:

if you go to wathc live tv and a tuner is in use myth wont show it

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tjcarter:

If neither are in use, it may not show the one you want.

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|Torg|:

if all tuneers are in use myth wil show you a popup to the extendt of "all tuners are in use" or similar

[02:49:43]

tjcarter:

yeah

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|Torg|:

its not very often that I get all 4 going at once to see it

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kslater:

in this case we know the tuner is not in use. he had .20-xxx running and upgraded to .20–2 and is running into this issue.

[02:50:12]

kslater:

his is a single tuner combined frontend backend machine

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p3bkac:

does anyone in here run knoppmyth?

[02:50:28]

tjcarter:

p3bkac: yes, several I'd imagine

[02:50:29]

kslater:

seems like some setting changed

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|Torg|:

I can tell if a dvb card is in use, or locked I dont kow how to do it on a non dvb card (mostly becase all I have are dvb cards0

[02:50:44]

tjcarter:

kslater: DB might indicate tuner is in use when it is in fact not.

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Yahooadam:

p3bkac – "dont ask to ask, just ask"

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|Torg|:

yes p3bkac when I say I have Debian they started as koppmyth boxes

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p3bkac:

I just installed and have the latest R5F1 but there is no Schedules Direct option

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tjcarter:

Yahooadam: Can I ask a question about whether or not I can ask a question? ;)

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p3bkac:

I'm looking for the correct way to install

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Yahooadam:

no you make not tjcarter !

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|Torg|:

uninstall myth from it and download 0.20.2 or svn trunk or fixes

[02:51:22]

kslater:

tjcarter: are you saying it's indicated in the db someplace?

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Yahooadam:

may not #

[02:51:34]

tjcarter:

kslater: yeah, I believe so.

[02:51:40]

tjcarter:

I had that problem once

[02:51:46]

kslater:

do you know what table?

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|Torg|:

yes hes correct myth also writes to the database job table when its using it

[02:52:11]

tjcarter:

it did eventually sort it out

[02:52:20]

|Torg|:

jobqueue

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kslater:

ko, we'll look there too. Thanks gents.

[02:52:24]

tjcarter:

I never did figure out how to fix it manually

[02:52:41]

Yahooadam:

maybe the capturecard table ?

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|Torg|:

commerical detection, transocing and recording jobs are all logged there

[02:53:17]

tjcarter:

kslater: |Torg| is right, delete the current job that is supposed to be eating the input and it will not be eaten anymore most likely.

[02:54:32]

Yahooadam:

i swear mythtv's database is over elaborate :p

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Yahooadam:

well gnite folks, 4am is pretty late :p

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aliljet:

ugh, i'm gonna drop 1000+ USD =(

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Yahooadam:

:o

[02:59:13]

aliljet:

4am?

[02:59:16]

aliljet:

in the eu?

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Yahooadam:

what on earth for ?

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Yahooadam:

UK

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aliljet:

for my htpc

[02:59:33]

aliljet:

i just want a dvd player that does upscaling well

[02:59:34]

aliljet:

haha

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Yahooadam:

1000+ seems a bit steep

[02:59:39]

aliljet:

i might as well go all the way

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aliljet:

fuck tivo

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|Torg|:

Yahooadam do you subscribe to Sky?

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Yahooadam:

yes i do :)

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aliljet:

is it easy to integrate my dishnetwork/directv subscription with mythtv?

[03:00:16]

Yahooadam:

i spent like 5 hours today getting the remote codes >_<

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|Torg|:

can you answer a few questions before you leave Ive ben trying to determine this for the last 4 hours :)

[03:00:22]

aliljet:

do I have to use their garbage proprietary box?

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Yahooadam:

yes ofc torg

[03:00:40]

Yahooadam:

and you will have to use their box aliljet

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Yahooadam:

because there are no tuners with the cablecard thingy

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|Torg|:

no this is for xmltv listings

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|Torg|:

I have an xml file of all the channel to parse so someone like you can have a frontend to the xml gabbers and RT

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aliljet:

Yahooadam, ugh, that sucks — but I guess i'll have to stick with it

[03:01:11]

Yahooadam:

well there are ways round it, but we cant discuss it here ;)

[03:01:13]

aliljet:

LIRC can control it?

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|Torg|:

problem is I live n the US and not hte UK

[03:01:20]

aliljet:

Yahooadam: that's waht I needed to hear =)

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|Torg|:

how do you subscribe to Sky, is there like a top100 pacakge like dishnet or something similar?

[03:01:52]

Yahooadam:

yeah somewhat

[03:02:05]

Yahooadam:

as far as i know, there are packages

[03:02:06]

|Torg|:

is there somewhere I can find out what package lists what channels?

[03:02:13]

Yahooadam:

like a Kids package, sports package

[03:02:33]

|Torg|:

in other words you put in your postal code, what provider and waht packace, it then give you ITV, cable and Sat choices for channels

[03:02:44]

|Torg|:

yes I hav a list of kid, sports, adult, etc

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Yahooadam:

http://www.sky.com/portal/site/skycom/skyprod . . . sandpackages

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|Torg|:

ahh so they are like all sport, or all kid, there not ala cart

[03:03:44]

Yahooadam:

http://www.sky.com/portal/site/skycom/skyprod . . . s/tvpackages

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|Torg|:

thanks, this is mostly juski's work im just helping him

[03:04:03]

Yahooadam:

ok

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|Torg|:

I would have thoguht everyone inthe UK was asleep by now

[03:04:13]

Yahooadam:

this is incredibly confusing :S

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Yahooadam:

http://www.sky.com/portal/site/skycom/skyproducts/skytv/channels

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Yahooadam:

its apparently done as "mixes"

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|Torg|:

what is what im doing or there pacakges

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|Torg|:

there packages are confusing as well, esp when I dont reconise half the channels

[03:04:55]

Yahooadam:

wow

[03:05:00]

Yahooadam:

ok

[03:05:02]

Yahooadam:

well if you goto that bit

[03:05:04]

Yahooadam:

find the mixes

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|Torg|:

so I have to catagorise each one into what pacages contain that channel

[03:05:12]

Yahooadam:

then u can find out whats in each mix

[03:05:26]

Yahooadam:

and then the packages are combinations of mixes

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|Torg|:

god this is a pain in the ass, I wish you guys just had SD and be done with it

[03:05:42]

Yahooadam:

:D

[03:05:43]

Yahooadam:

me too

[03:05:56]

Yahooadam:

if i could just click a button and it worked, id be willing to pay for it

[03:07:12]

mike3_:

where are all the free lineups. :)

[03:07:16]

|Torg|:

We Are Sorry

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|Torg|:

It appears that the combination you selected cannot be bought in the Sky Shop .

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Yahooadam:

this whole thing is just to disguise how damn expensive sky is :p

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|Torg|:

haha

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Yahooadam:

i was signed up for sky b4 they did all this

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|Torg|:

yes I noticed that too, Sky is about 2x the cost of Dishnet and I think there too damn high

[03:07:50]

Yahooadam:

and they had like 8 packages

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Yahooadam:

and you chose one

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Yahooadam:

and that was it

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Yahooadam:

now theyve made it all complicated

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mike3_:

I want free cable.. :)

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mike3_:

I'm going to hang off my neighbors balcony . :)

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|Torg|:

is this Murdoch shit?

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mike3_:

My apartment is tooo smart.

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mike3_:

They have a box where all cables run out of. So all filters are installed in this locked box. Fuckers!

[03:08:43]

mike3_:

:p

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Yahooadam:

i think murdoch is virgin/NTL

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|Torg|:

anyways thatnks ofr the help ill try to set up what goes in what pacakges

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Yahooadam:

kk :)

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Yahooadam:

good luck with it lol

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mike3_:

When do we think SD will be doing $20/year. :)

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|Torg|:

soon :P

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mike3_:

$60 sucks !

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|Torg|:

$60 a year?

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Yahooadam:

its only 3 months atm though

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Yahooadam:

after these 3 months it should drop alot i believe

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|Torg|:

yes extrapolating how much it wil be for a year at $15/3 months

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Yahooadam:

sky is so lame

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|Torg|:

I dunno, you get Torchwood and I dont

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Yahooadam:

to watch a second channel (ie get a second digibox) costs another £10/mo

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Yahooadam:

£10/mo for a second channel, how lame is that

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Yahooadam:

just download it off the tubes :p

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mike3_:

ahh.... I should get Free To Air

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mike3_:

:)

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mike3_:

hacked receiver

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mike3_:

whoa

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|Torg|:

Yahooadam shh

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

u get all the good programmes first :(

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Yahooadam:

stargate ... ummm simpsons .... umm

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beata:

anyone have any ideas of why this might be happening. I have a pvr-500 on mythtv-20.2. Randomly when i have two shows set to record at the same time, one will record the wrong channel, and the other one will record nothing. Example: At 9pm I was scheduled to record Eureka on scfi, and law and order on tnt. The Eureka recording when i pull it up in watch recordings plays law and order. Meanwhile, if i went to view the L&O episode

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Yahooadam:

what else do i watch

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|Torg|:

download them off the....forget it

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|Torg|:

stargate is no more

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Yahooadam:

|torg| – shhh :p

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Yahooadam:

atlantis is

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mike3_:

atlantis rocks

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mike3_:

When is it suppose to start?

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Yahooadam:

atlantis is far more fun too, stargate was getting stale

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mike3_:

When is Atlantis suppose to begin?

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mike3_:

I've been waiting a life time. I swear!

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Yahooadam:

mainly cos i think their wrighters had lost the plot

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Yahooadam:

lol i know the feeling :p

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Yahooadam:

some time after the summer holidays im guessing

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|Torg|:

Season 4 is stated to premiere in the US on September 28, 2007

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|Torg|:

aint wikipedia cool :P

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Smirnov:

gah september 28?

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Yahooadam:

ZOMG

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mike3_:

what about canada?

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Smirnov:

is it gonna be available in HD simultaneously?

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Yahooadam:

28th of september :o

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Yahooadam:

thats soooooon

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Yahooadam:

canada gets it first, so it will be 28th there ;)

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|Torg|:

I dunno if its in HD or not, I dont get it

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|Torg|:

Canada usualy gets it before the US tho, that I know

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Yahooadam:

yeah

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|Torg|:

and I believe the Uk gets it without a season break like we do

[03:16:54]

Yahooadam:

but everyone gets it off the .... nvm :p

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|Torg|:

I wana know when the new Rome is comming out

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Yahooadam:

i think we had a break torg

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Yahooadam:

but it was only a week or 2

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Yahooadam:

we were ahead of the US at the end of season 10 lol

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Smirnov:

gah last time UK got all the sg1/sga episodes like 6 months early

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|Torg|:

I belvie Rome was canceld

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Yahooadam:

http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s4/index.shtml – for all your spoiler needs :p

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Smirnov:

yeah those bastards cancelled rome

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Yahooadam:

i hate reading about stargate, i want it nooow !! :p

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mike3_:

it would be nice to know when it starts in canada for sure

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Yahooadam:

as said mike3_ – canada gets it first ;)

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Yahooadam:

so 28th atleast

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mike3_:

well US is said to get it the 28th

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tjcarter:

you know, there might be a case

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tjcarter:

if the infection can be directly tied to the shooting

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Yahooadam:

oh well, gnite all :)

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|Torg|:

tjcarter, huh?

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Yahooadam:

enjoy :)

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|Torg|:

good night, thanks for the info

[03:21:07]

mike3_:

So what do you guys think of the new show Blood Ties?

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tjcarter:

er, WW

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tjcarter:

we're discussing the case of a 71 y/o who served like 17 years for attempted murder of a cop who was paralyzed..

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tjcarter:

cop just died, 41 years later, from an infection

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tjcarter:

ME ruled the infection was related to the condition caused by the gunshot wound

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tjcarter:

therefore he's being charged now with murder.

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Smirnov:

my (hdtv/crt) monitor (using dvi->hdmi cable) is having massive crop problems, the whole image is zoomed in about 20% so all of the side are cut off. is there any way to mess around with the xorg config so I can get it to unzoom?

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tjcarter:

much debate over whether he should be able to be charged again with the same crime

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tjcarter:

I think the charge may be reasonable if there is actual evidence (not just he ruined this man's life, and got off "easy" with 17 years)

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tjcarter:

wow, he actually was sentenced to 17, served like 38–39 because of escape attempts and whatnot

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beata:

hm i have 45mb log file all from one day all with one error msg

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tjcarter:

if there's any way he actually somehow had a part in the cop's death, the jury will send him back for the rest of his life, probably

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Smirnov:

does anyone know off the top of their head how to get X to give you modelines

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|Torg|:

give?

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|Torg|:

x --configure?

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Smirnov:

i dont want to start x manually

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tjcarter:

Smirnov: they're internal

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tjcarter:

in a config file somewhere

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Smirnov:

i cant actually switch to the regular terminals, ALT+F1, ALT+F2, etc, doesnt work

[03:38:02]

Smirnov:

is there anything i can add to Xorg.conf which will spit out the modelines in the log?

[03:38:15]

Bearcat:

hey folks, I need a little bit of sound help. I just hooked up an SB Extigy. Sound works alright excpt for mythv. If i turn on my line-in i can hear the real-time feed. But using myth all i get is spouts of static.

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Smirnov:

so that means i cant start X manually right? im pretty sure sshing and starting x from there wont work

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|Torg|:

you mean as in builtin or Edid?

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Smirnov:

edid

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tjcarter:

read-edid

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Smirnov:

i read online that if i tweak my modeline i can shrink the desktop size

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tjcarter:

may not give you a modeline

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Bearcat:

I've gottenthis wiorking on my mainboard sound, but that's having problems. If anyone can give me a hand i'd appreicate it.

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|Torg|:

turn on the monitor, use abi-driecion cable and run X --versbose 6 > /tmp/X.log 2>&1 &

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Smirnov:

tjcarter: read-edid ?

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|Torg|:

kill it with ctrl-alt-del when it finihses starting

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|Torg|:

you need edid tools to read the edid to a file, nvidea has it in their setup

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Smirnov:

i do have nvidia drivers

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tjcarter:

Smirnov: it's a program that Debian's X config uses to write xorg.conf for you

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Smirnov:

tjcarter: is it a separate programj

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tjcarter:

yeah, its functions are generally built-in to X servers nowadays

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|Torg|:

and use you can ssh in and start x manually

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|Torg|:

it will simply come out the connected display

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Smirnov:

ehhh. i cant find a read-edid program

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tjcarter:

but the X modelines all come from a file

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Smirnov:

ok

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|Torg|:

nvidia-setup I belive its a button on one of the tabs

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tjcarter:

what are you trying to do again? Reduce overscan?

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|Torg|:

no not all modleins come from xorg.conf

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Smirnov:

|Torg|: unrecognized option --verobse ?

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|Torg|:

in fact EDID is commnly FULL of useless modelines

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|Torg|:

sorry 1 dash

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Smirnov:

erm

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Smirnov:

if i could just get my current modeline and modify it so i see a smaller screen in th emiddle

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|Torg|:

what kind odf display is it?

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Smirnov:

hdtv

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tjcarter:

This is why I like computer displays for Myth

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tjcarter:

no overscan.

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|Torg|:

CRT, plasma, LCD?

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Smirnov:

crt

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Smirnov:

ok it gave me all the timings

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Smirnov:

how do i convert that into modeline ?

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|Torg|:

its psoble you can play witht eh porch setting sof a modeline, set the limties on teh setup secrren tho instead

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|Torg|:

your log should already have modelines, in fact it should be strewn with modleins over and over

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tjcarter:

I'm shocked we're still editing modelines by hand ;)

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Smirnov:

wait wtf, why are there two timings

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|Torg|:

probbly because it can do more then one mode at the same resoution

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tjcarter:

horizontal (in kHz) and vertical (in Hz)

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|Torg|:

I can do 1080I at 60hz and and 120Hz

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Smirnov:

1080i at 60hz???

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|Torg|:

yes

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Smirnov:

i thought 1080i was 30hz

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Smirnov:

wtf

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|Torg|:

some tvs are

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tjcarter:

Smirnov: It's actually 60 if you think about it

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tjcarter:

you draw the screen 60 times a second, but you fill all scanlines only 30 times

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tjcarter:

if he can do 120 Hz he should be able to do 1080p

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|Torg|:

I cant

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Smirnov:

how do i psate my xorg log into a site

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|Torg|:

the chip can not

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|Torg|:

ModeLine "ATSC-1080–60i" 74.25 1920 1960 2016 2200 1080 1082 1088 1125 +hsync +vsync interlace

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|Torg|:

pastebin.com

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Smirnov:

how do i upload a file

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Smirnov:

its just copy and paste

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|Torg|:

paste it

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|Torg|:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/JVC_HD_61Z575A

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|Torg|:

thats my entire xorg.conf

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tjcarter:

|Torg|: see for me, I probably am quite happy with 24" screen

[03:49:25]

|Torg|:

it was a sales bonus

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tjcarter:

so I just clip the video on the sides to be 1900 wide (the rest is lost in overscan anyway), and I have small black bars above and below of 60 px each

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tjcarter:

I get a bigger overall 4:3 picture and an acceptable 16:9

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Smirnov:

yeah its loading

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Smirnov:

how come it rejected all my 1080 modelines?

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Smirnov:

said theyre invalid

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|Torg|:

the picture on that page is form my camera, it looks bad becase I had to sampleit down for the piki page

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tjcarter:

for 720p, I just accept a little more cropping on the sides and use 8:5

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|Torg|:

there is about 50 or so pxiles off each side to make it fit

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Smirnov:

ok its http://pastebin.com/m5518d860

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Smirnov:

i take it it didnt detect the 1080i modelines properly..?

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|Torg|:

yes it did, look at line 450

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Smirnov:

yeah but line 581 it rejects it

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Smirnov:

or should i ignore that? lol

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|Torg|:

no its the same shit I got with mine, what verison of nvidia driver are yu running?

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|Torg|:

and are you *SURE* it can do 1080I?

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|Torg|:

compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.8776

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|Torg|:

update that

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|Torg|:

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . 639-pkg1.run

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Smirnov:

|Torg|: yeah my tv specs say it

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Smirnov:

ok after i add th emodeline to the xorg.conf, how do i use it?

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|Torg|:

look at my xord on the wiki

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|Torg|:

the last line where it lists modes the first mode is what it uses first

[04:01:15]

|Torg|:

also note the optiosn I have there about modevalidaion

[04:01:26]

|Torg|:

THOSE ARE DAMNGEROUS

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|Torg|:

I probbly should comment them as such

[04:01:53]

Smirnov:

?

[04:02:03]

|Torg|:

Option "ModeValidation" "NoMaxPClkCheck, NoVertRefreshCheck, NoHorizSyncCheck,

[04:02:03]

|Torg|:

NoEdidMaxPClkCheck"

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|Torg|:

put that in your cof file and it wont reject those modlines

[04:02:27]

|Torg|:

it also wont check to see if it dosnt blow up your CRT

[04:02:37]

|Torg|:

also that happening on todays monitoes are slim to none

[04:02:52]

|Torg|:

stil tho, I woudlnt chance it

[04:05:40]

Smirnov:

ok

[04:05:46]

Smirnov:

what do i edit in the modeline to fix the overscan now

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|Torg|:

that is much harder

[04:06:51]

Smirnov:

er... yeah

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|Torg|:

im tying to see if I can find a page that explains what the ramp up and porch timings are

[04:07:06]

|Torg|:

and it may not even work

[04:07:48]

Smirnov:

well i read you can do it by changing the modeline

[04:07:50]

|Torg|:

you can try xvidtune as well

[04:07:57]

|Torg|:

yes you can, within limite

[04:08:25]

|Torg|:

ModeLine "ATSC-1080–60i" 74.25

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|Torg|:

74.25 is dot clock

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Smirnov:

...?

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|Torg|:

1920 1960 2016 2200

[04:08:47]

Smirnov:

what is this

[04:08:54]

Smirnov:

im trying to get 720p to work right now without overscan

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|Torg|:

is 1920 wigh, start at 1960 end at 2016 its 2200 wide

[04:09:06]

|Torg|:

1080 1082 1088 1125

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|Torg|:

same for veritcal

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|Torg|:

the first number you lave alone

[04:09:26]

Smirnov:

are you getting those #s based on my log ?

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|Torg|:

the second and third you can play with, but within multiples of 8 usualy

[04:09:33]

|Torg|:

mine

[04:09:39]

Smirnov:

well how does that help me

[04:09:40]

Smirnov:

lol

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|Torg|:

probbly the same on yours as well, there standard

[04:10:00]

|Torg|:

im telling you how to edit them

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|Torg|:

II) NVIDIA(0): HRes, HSyncStart : 1920, 2008

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|Torg|:

(II) NVIDIA(0): HSyncEnd, HTotal : 2052, 2200

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|Torg|:

74.25 1920 2007 2052 2200

[04:10:45]

|Torg|:

thats what yuor TV spit out

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|Torg|:

II) NVIDIA(0): VRes, VSyncStart : 540, 542

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|Torg|:

(II) NVIDIA(0): VSyncEnd, VTotal : 547, 562

[04:11:01]

|Torg|:

is the old nvida driver geting confused

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Smirnov:

getting confused?

[04:11:08]

|Torg|:

you have to doubble those bsicly

[04:11:14]

Smirnov:

ok slow down

[04:11:20]

Smirnov:

i just want 720p without overscan to work right now

[04:11:26]

Smirnov:

and its not even using the modeline i put in i dont think

[04:11:30]

|Torg|:

well did you update your drivers yet?

[04:11:39]

Smirnov:

no, i dont want to recompile anything

[04:11:49]

|Torg|:

then alot of this is futile

[04:11:54]

Smirnov:

why?

[04:11:57]

|Torg|:

your drives are about a year and a half out of date

[04:12:00]

Smirnov:

i just need to tweak my existing modeline

[04:12:04]

Smirnov:

how hard can that be

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|Torg|:

they have gone thur two major revisiosn and multiple minor ones sonce then

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|Torg|:

hard, you mean with nvidia figtig you wile you do it?

[04:12:57]

|Torg|:

you mean with the driver ignoring line syou set becase it cant calculate them correctly and ignores what an intelaced mode it?

[04:13:18]

|Torg|:

here go put that mode what it said in as a modeline

[04:13:45]

Smirnov:

ok i have

[04:13:59]

Smirnov:

74.25 1280 1390 1430 1650 720 725 730 750 +HSync +Vsync right now

[04:14:00]

Smirnov:

and it works

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|Torg|:

its "mode" 74.25 1920 2008 2052 2200 540 542 547 562 +hsync +vsync Interlace

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|Torg|:

go ahead and put that in, see what comes out of your display and wonder why Nvidias nearly 2 year old driver told you it was 1920x1080

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|Torg|:

after it fails, go update your dirver like I already told you to

[04:15:08]

Smirnov:

dude, i dont want 1080i though!

[04:15:11]

Smirnov:

i want 720p!

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|Torg|:

or if you like you can go play with that for a few hours, then update your driver later

[04:16:23]

|Torg|:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Validating Mode "1280x720":

[04:16:26]

|Torg|:

then use it

[04:16:39]

Smirnov:

yeah i am use that modeline

[04:16:44]

Smirnov:

but now i need to tweak it to get rid of overscan

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Smirnov:

and im not sure which #s to chang

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|Torg|:

same thign applies to that as applies to the 1080 line

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|Torg|:

(II) NVIDIA(0): HRes, HSyncStart : 1280, 1390

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|Torg|:

II) NVIDIA(0): HSyncEnd, HTotal : 1430, 1650

[04:17:20]

Smirnov:

yes i got 1280 1390

[04:17:26]

Smirnov:

i got all those #s in man

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|Torg|:

do you understand what the represent?

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Smirnov:

i only know that they are hres, hsyncstart, etc

[04:18:26]

Smirnov:

but i do not understand what hres, hsyncstart is

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|Torg|:

how big is 720P, whats its dimensions?

[04:19:20]

Smirnov:

its a kd-34xs955 sony

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|Torg|:

thats not what I asked

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Smirnov:

you mean physical dimensions of the screen?

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|Torg|:

no I mean physcial dimenasion of the standard 720 display

[04:20:18]

Smirnov:

you mean 16:9 ?

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|Torg|:

thats its aspect ratio

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Smirnov:

then what do you mean

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|Torg|:

look if you cant answer these qestions DO NOT OVERSCAN YOUR MONITOR

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|Torg|:

playing with these can make your monito go up in smoke

[04:24:13]

Smirnov:

its ok my thing wont

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|Torg|:

it will probbly overdrrive your flyback and could actualy end up hurting you, at best it will simply not work again

[04:24:18]

Smirnov:

its a crt lol

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|Torg|:

its a CRT the most dangeours part of your comptuer to play with

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Smirnov:

Ook man

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Smirnov:

how do i shrink the desktop then

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|Torg|:

but if you do not understnad what those numbers mean DO NOT PLAY WITH THEM

[04:25:13]

|Torg|:

im not entirely certain of why you want to shrink it

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Smirnov:

its too big!

[04:25:23]

Smirnov:

my sides are getting cropped

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Smirnov:

aka overscan

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Smirnov:

so i just dont want X to render to the shit thats getting cut off

[04:25:36]

Smirnov:

how simple is that right?

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|Torg|:

tehn go into the setup and limit the X and Y of myth

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Smirnov:

i dont use myth only, what if i need to jump into some other app...

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|Torg|:

quite trying to overscan your monitor, esp if you do not understnad what those timings are

[04:25:58]

Smirnov:

and anyway that doesnt help with mplayer

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Smirnov:

which needs a separate config

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|Torg|:

you want to make the screen smaller on the display?

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|Torg|:

or do you want to not loose the pixles that extend off teh side of the screen?

[04:27:43]

|Torg|:

or do you want to leave room arround it so you can display other things, like I dunno mail?

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Smirnov:

yes the screen should be smaller on the display

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Smirnov:

i dont care if i loses the pixels

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|Torg|:

tehn change the offsets in myth and leave your timeings alone

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|Torg|:

here take this as an example of what you can do with timings

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|Torg|:

take two pieces of paper one slightly biger the the other on top of eachother the smaller on top

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|Torg|:

now move that small pirce of paper arround, those are your timings

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|Torg|:

you can slightly push it off the edge as well, underscanning

[04:30:06]

|Torg|:

you can slighly pull it away fromt eh edge, overscanning

[04:30:19]

|Torg|:

you can in some cased make the paper smaller and bigger

[04:30:40]

|Torg|:

you make it too small or you make it too big and you WILL blow up your CRT, most modern ones will simply turn off

[04:30:59]

|Torg|:

thats to stop stupid things hapeing like pretty silicon flames come out f the flyback on it and killing you

[04:31:30]

|Torg|:

you want to make it so that top paper is really small? set your dektop to 1080 and tell myth to output at 720I

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|Torg|:

move that 720I arround with the location of the offsets in the setup

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|Torg|:

do you understand what Im telling you?

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Bearcat:

whooo! got it!

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Smirnov:

ok fine

[04:33:28]

Smirnov:

mythtv config is straightforward

[04:33:46]

Smirnov:

what about configuring mplayer for overscan, im having trouble following directions on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Overscan

[04:34:15]

Smirnov:

i added -monitoraspect 16:9 -vf dsize=1200:680:0,expand=1200:680 ... but now it doesnt resize the original movie at all if its small?

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|Torg|:

yes do you know why it does that?

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Smirnov:

no, i thought dsize=... was supposed to make it bigger?

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|Torg|:

its becase part of your screen is under the bezel and you cant see it

[04:35:28]

|Torg|:

its to adjust for that, remember the small ammount ogf play I told you about?

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|Torg|:

thats it

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|Torg|:

and dsize=1200:680 is less then 1280x720 (the answer to the question I asked earlier)

[04:37:20]

|Torg|:

its how you crop down the display

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|Torg|:

HOW doe mplayer do this magic, it simply lops off the sides and top and bottom of the picture

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Smirnov:

hmm

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|Torg|:

want to tell mplayer to make it BIGGER, you can do that too

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Smirnov:

that sucks, what about actually telling it what i want it to resize to?

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|Torg|:

your CPU will hate you, but you can

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|Torg|:

if you dont have enough pixles, it too gets dropped

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|Torg|:

you hav a quart jar, you can fil it with a quart

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Smirnov:

thats ok i dont care about the CPU

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Smirnov:

i want it to resize on the fly

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|Torg|:

if you want to put a gallong it in, tough

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Smirnov:

i have a powerful CPU

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Smirnov:

you know, like when you resize using the mouse on the sides?

[04:39:01]

Smirnov:

that kind of dealie

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|Torg|:

what you push to the monitor is based upon what the monitor can display

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|Torg|:

you want to run it in a window

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|Torg|:

you want to run it so it doenst take the whole desktop

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|Torg|:

thats what you want to do, right?

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Smirnov:

yeah i want it to run in a window

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ShockValue:

with a gforce 5200 should i be using hte new nvidia driver or the legacy ones?

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Smirnov:

or full screen it doesnt matter as long as nothing gets rendered to the sides i cant see

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|Torg|:

OK SMIRNOV LET ME SAY THIS SO YOU UNDERSTAND

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|Torg|:

IVE ONLY TOLD YOU ABOUT 5 TIMES TODAY HOW TO DO THAT

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|Torg|:

IVE TOLD YOU OVER AND OVER AND YOU IGNORE WHAT I TELL YOU

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tomb0y:

im really new to this. if someone can point me in right direction. i just installed mythdora and looking to find out how to import my media files from a windows computer on the network to the mythdora server.

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|Torg|:

I TOLD YOU TO FORGET ABOUT OVERSCAN

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|Torg|:

IF I COULD BE ANY MORE BLUNT I WOUDL BE

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ShockValue:

tomb0y what kind of files

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|Torg|:

I TRY TO USE WORDS THAT HAVE TWO OR LESS SYABLES FOR YOU

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|Torg|:

GO INTO THE SETUP AND SET TEH OFFESTS FOR THE GUI

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ShockValue:

hey |Torg|, i understand your frustration, but the caps are AAF

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|Torg|:

ShockValue they were on purpose

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tomb0y:

shockvalue: mp3, avi mainly.

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doc|home:

caps for the lose

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ShockValue:

tomb0y – you need mythmusic and mythvideo, if those arent already installed (ive not used mythdora before)

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ShockValue:

tomb0y – do you have a samba connection to your windows server ? (can you see the files on the network?)

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Smirnov:

ahh

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Smirnov:

expand 0:-40 works good

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Bearcat:

i have an interesting little problem that just came up. I only have one tv card and i just told mythtv to record a program that is on *now*. Of course now i can't watch tv as all of my inputs are i use. How do i cancel the recording?

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tomb0y:

shockvalue: is there a built in ftp server? or some web server that i can view that gives an upload command. as i said im really new ;/ dont know how to check samba.

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Anduin:

Bearcat: You can stop recording in Watch Recordings

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ShockValue:

tomb0y – hrm.. let me think a second

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|Torg|:

yes tomb0y you can ftp files to it, if you have ftpd running (or via inetd), or samba and mount it, or nfs and move it, or scp and copu it

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|Torg|:

there is more then one way to move files

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juski:

|Torg|: omg you still up?

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|Torg|:

ohh juski is back :)

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|Torg|:

juski I got the sky.xml parsed

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|Torg|:

your optiosn for what channel go into what packages are a bitch tho

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|Torg|:

and alas yes im moving data arround so I have to baby sit my drives

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Bearcat:

Anduin: Thank you!

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Smirnov:

is there something in mplayer which will shift everything X pixels down and Y pixels to the right?

[04:49:38]

Bearcat:

two sound problems remain: 1) when i start TV it mutes my soundcard and 2) the sound is really low. I have all of my sliders up to max for a resonable volume. If i accedently play something in a media player right now my ears will blow-out.

[04:50:25]

ShockValue:

tomb0y – in theory, this is how you would mount your windows drive on your mythdora box "mount -t smbfs -o username=<name>,password=<passwd> //server/share /mountpoint" where server/share is your windows box and sharename, and /mountpoint is some empty directory you want it to show up at

[04:50:42]

ShockValue:

and username and password if you have a username and password on the share

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ShockValue:

i dont know if you have experience with the command line though?

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ShockValue:

wtf? tylenol 3 has caffine in it? blah.. i took this crap to go to sleep! :)

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|Torg|:

ShockValue you may want to use the cifs drive over the smbfs one

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Sedorox:

caffine doesn't do crap to me

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Sedorox:

I can have a big glass of tea, or soda right before bed.. not an issue

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ShockValue:

thank god it does to me, or else I wouldnt be awake before noon

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|Torg|:

Sedorox you as bad as me, thats tolderance youve built up

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Smirnov:

whats the difference between expanding and scaling

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Sedorox:

|Torg|: sad part is.. I don't drink soda (rare instances I do) but normally tea... don't do the caffine drinks as they don't do much for me (altho I think Bawls made me more talkative)

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|Torg|:

I drink about a pot of coffe eavery morning, and ice tea thought most of the day (in fac im dinking it now)

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|Torg|:

it wont keep me awake tho :(

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|Torg|:

I passed that about 10 years ago in the military

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Sedorox:

ah

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Smirnov:

any way to shift mplayer subtitles up ?

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mikeones:

anyone see this iptv product here before? http://www.woot.com/ Is it worth 50 bucks?

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edman007:

hi, is there a proper way to delete all channel data and replace it with the current stuff? i changed the lineup so now all the data in the DB is wrong, i normally just truncate all tables holding the data when i do this but i was wondering if there is a preferred method

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Tanthrix:

Smirnov: It's possible – try pressing s or d or something in that area of the keyboard. I know I've done it before by accident

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Smirnov:

does anyone here have any experience modifying config files to use ALSA for mplayer ?

[05:31:49]

Smirnov:

and by ALSA I really mean spdif sorry

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bsdfox:

how much ram would you guys recommend for a standard def pvr-500 box?

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bsdfox:

I've got 2gb in it right now but it seems like overkill and I could use the memory elsewhere..

[05:34:33]

Tanthrix:

1GB would be just fine methinks

[05:35:26]

Tanthrix:

Hell, I've only got 1GB in my HD mythbox, and it's fine.

[05:36:34]

bsdfox:

thanks

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Smirnov:

does anyone know what program is the gnome alsa mixder

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Dagmar:

gnome-volume-control, most likely

[05:44:39]

Dagmar:

Why you couldn't just type "gnome-(tabtab)" and look through the list...

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robbins876:

What do you guys think? I'm giong to get a lap top, i was thinking dell pre-installed with ubuntu, or a lenovo. I don't have a lot of lap top experience, so i need help!

[05:49:04]

Dagmar:

Since when is it spelled "lap top"?

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Dagmar:

Aim for something with a Centrino chipset

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Dagmar:

...except for ASUS

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robbins876:

i read that IBM have been very well tested with linux, is that wrong?

[05:50:39]

Dagmar:

Nope

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robbins876:

and should i opt for the nvidia graphics chip over the intel?

[05:52:18]

robbins876:

is the core 2 duo the same thing as centrino?

[05:55:52]

Aval0n-:

guys when I am in my guide, and I hit the record button, there is a long pause and slight freeze before it actually shows the A or S icons

[05:55:57]

Aval0n-:

anyone know what would cause that?

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Dagmar:

robbins876: If it's a centrino-based machine, everythiung in it is prolly going to be intel

[06:00:16]

Dagmar:

robbins876: But usualyl this means you get ipw2200 for wireless (which actually works, unlike 3945 half the time)

[06:00:39]

Smirnov:

hmm, i am having 0 luck getting my spdif to work with mplayer

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bsdfox:

centrino means intel wifi+mobo+cpu

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Dibblah:

Oh. The LIRC guys are talking about Inclusion.

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Dibblah:

Ooooh, even.

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juski:

Inclusion as in.. being inclimiludered into das Kernelz?

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doc|home:

so, is it bad form to ask if anyone has a scraping script?

[06:58:02]

juski:

I have many scraping scripts

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doc|home:

got one for canada/US?

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juski:

!trout stingy-whiners payyourfivedollaramonthsubs

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** MythLogBot slaps stingy-whiners with a payyourfivedollaramonthsubs trout on behalf of juski... **

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juski:

;)

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** juski fesses he has no xmltv scrapers though **

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doc|home:

:/

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juski:

screen scraping is bad on so many levels. it can break the usage conditions of the website being scraped and it can get broken lots, needing hours of work to fix. work out your hourly rate. if it's more than $5, SD looks like an even better deal :P

[07:05:23]

juski:

doc|home: anyway the subject has been done to *death* on the mailing lists already

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doc|home:

ok, will look into them. I'm a webdev so know the score, but still, I think it's stupid to have to pay for listings.

[07:07:00]

doc|home:

for the same reason I don't pay for a tv guide. You want me to watch your station? don't expect me to pay to see what's on.

[07:07:23]

xris:

doc|home: unfortunately, there's not much to do about the listings thing..

[07:08:09]

xris:

and you're welcome to ask, but you won't find much help here for any scraping scripts that violate the ToS of the site they scrape (that would be all of the ones I know about).

[07:09:52]

doc|home:

xris: ok, that's why I'd asked if it was bad form. thanks.

[07:10:06]

doc|home:

and yeah, I know there's not much you can do.

[07:10:27]

juski:

it does suck that you have to pay, but that's your capitalist society for ya ;)

[07:10:31]

xris:

check the gb-pvr forums

[07:11:11]

juski:

and if you wanna blame anybody, go for the throats of the people who abused zap2it in the first place

[07:11:55]

juski:

xris: btw any progress on the project we talked about?

[07:11:58]

xris:

juski: and one of those is now telling their users to just use the yahoo tv scraper.. I'm sure that yahoo will be THRILLED about that.

[07:12:07]

xris:

juski: haven't heard from scott about the NDA. I'll ping him again, though.

[07:12:32]

juski:

xris: okees no rush. I'm knee-deep in my channel config wizardry stuff

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doc|home:

thanks both

[07:13:12]

juski:

half the bother I've had with the data parsing has been the format the data was in, not being xml-ish enough

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juski:

xris: IANAL, but to me Yahoo's T&Cs looked pretty clear about machine reading of their pages

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doc|home:

juski: even for personal use?

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xris:

juski: they have an xml feed for their DVR software that people are scraping

[07:15:11]

juski:

there's all the usual stuff about not redistrubiting the data you see there & there's also mention of automatic mechanisms

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doc|home:

I can understand the redistribution

[07:15:44]

xris:

juski: yeah, most sites have that.

[07:15:48]

juski:

ouch! I hope they get sued to hell

[07:16:00]

mdeanda:

is there a way to just run the mythtv "framework" ? All i need is to have a machine that plays back prerecorded video. i don't want to have to install lame, xmltv, etc. etc. etc...

[07:16:05]

juski:

hmm some random DVR co vs Yahoo.. who'll win?! ;)

[07:16:52]

** juski is excited about his wizard config thingy, and it's only just the bare bones right now **

[07:17:33]

juski:

this'd all have been much easier if I'd just made a database & scribbled up some php

[07:17:40]

xris:

mdeanda: you generally need LAME to play back anything with mp3 in it

[07:18:51]

mdeanda:

xris: i stand corrected. but is the rest of my question possible? i don't have a tuner card, etc.. seems that myth and freevo are targeted at people who want to buiild their own tivos.. i just wanna watch my downloaded videos from it.. i'd hate to have to start my own project

[07:19:11]

juski:

mdeanda: mythtv is way too heavy just for a media player IMHO

[07:19:33]

juski:

without the TV part it's way excessive to need a mysql database etc

[07:20:05]

xris:

mdeanda: it's also not a good idea to talk about "downloaded videos" in here.. people tend not to like the insinuation that MythTV users engage in copyright infringement.

[07:20:19]

juski:

mdeanda: keep an eye on the linux port of XBMC for watching your downloaded creative commons videos

[07:20:23]

xris:

mdeanda: you can run mythfrontend/mythvideo without a backend, but you'd have to hack the theme xml to hide the tv portions.

[07:20:44]

mdeanda:

i don't mind doing that..

[07:20:47]

juski:

yeah but you still need a mysql server to host the database

[07:21:14]

juski:

it'd be too much for me to want to bother with it, if I didn't use the TV part

[07:21:33]

juski:

for non-TV stuff there are things like geexbox, freevo, XMMS etc

[07:22:19]

doc|home:

why not just use vlc?

[07:22:31]

doc|home:

or do you want the library stuff too?

[07:22:32]

juski:

VLC is ugly?

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mdeanda:

i wanna setup a machine with a remote control, e etc.

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** xris sometimes wishes he got paid for writing Schedules Direct... **

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doc|home:

juski: who cares, it's never seen during playback (in fullscreen)

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doc|home:

mdeanda: you can do that with most. I have it working with xine

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juski:

XBMC isn't much more than a filebrowser

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juski:

a filebrowser with a fancy skin

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juski:

hrm my data still isn't xmlish enough for the postcode lookups

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juski:

xris: any idea what a good way to have an xml field with lots of lines in would be? a la www.juski.co.uk/chanwiz/bbcregions.xml

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juski:

my parser script is working on some codes where I search for a substring of <postcodes> but some codes trip it up

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juski:

ah I bet I've got spaces in the <postcodes> areas

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juski:

doh! helps when the file isn't DOS format!

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xris:

heh

[07:31:05]

xris:

I think you just use newlines.. xml is a binary format, so as long as you escape < > and & it generally allows just about anything

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juski:

maybe I should get the parser to strip nonprintables before I do the substr search

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mdeanda:

doc|home: but how do you pick the file you want to watch?

[07:34:06]

mdeanda:

sorry had to kill a spider :(

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doc|home:

mdeanda: dunno, was only using it to adjust volume but there's probably a way to set it up to navigate

[07:35:26]

mdeanda:

somebody suggested freevo.. is freevo made more as a non-tuner app than myth?

[07:36:48]

juski:

mdeanda: yeah it is

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mdeanda:

also, i notice it uses qt.. does it use qt for the navigation system? or is that sdl or whatever

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juski:

qt for most things

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mdeanda:

juski: thanks. maybe i'm looking at the wrong app then. ;)

[07:37:08]

juski:

sdl.. pfft!

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mdeanda:

lol

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juski:

the linux port of xbmc is coming along nicely so i've seen it said. last time I built it it wouldn't actually _play_ any media though

[07:39:02]

mdeanda:

juski: really? i use that on my xbox.. that would be sweet!

[07:40:20]

juski:

I think the stage it was at last week was where it can play media now but fancy stuff like scripts don't work yet

[07:40:48]

juski:

could be wrong. they've been really very busy

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mdeanda:

(heh.. i was trying to compile on qemu.. clean machine that i rollback all the time.. on my desktop it seems to be compiling now.. maybe i'll stick with myth)

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sphery:

mdeanda: Oh. You're here. You did see the "please e-mail the above to mythtv-users@mythtv.org With the subject 'configure did not detect my cpu'" lines that came after the "lots of flags", right?

[08:13:55]

mdeanda:

sphery: hehe.. i couldn't really copy paste :(

[08:14:01]

mdeanda:

i suppose i'll do it then. hehe

[08:14:45]

sphery:

All you need to do is run the configure again. Something like ./configure <arguments> 2>&1 | tee configure.log

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mdeanda:

ahh.. wait i can sssh into qemu.. ;)

[08:17:35]

mdeanda:

ahh.. love that 2>&1, yet i can't ever remember it

[08:19:37]

juski:

argghh these regex are crazy

[08:20:49]

sphery:

juski: did you consider something like, <postcodes><postcode>CB3</postcode><postcode>CB9</pos tcode> ... </postcodes> and giving each piece of data its own element?

[08:21:09]

sphery:

Then just stuff all the <postcode> data into a list to search

[08:22:40]

juski:

sphery: big, big thing

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juski:

would result in huge files

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sphery:

XML isn't known for being concise. :)

[08:23:17]

sphery:

but that's what gzip is for :)

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juski:

at the moment the postcodes are separated by newlines and |

[08:23:51]

juski:

the xml parser seems to be ok with that but the string search I'm using is pulling matches for stuff i don't reckon it should

[08:25:05]

juski:

like this http://www.pastebin.ca/681956

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mdeanda:

mythfilldatabase is just for channels right?

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sphery:

for listings

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juski:

sphery: have a look at the pastebin. the first set out postcodes doesn't even contain "bs1"

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juski:

so how the hell is if ($input =~ m/$lookup/i) pulling it when $input doesn't contain $lookup ?

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** juski is puzzled **

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juski:

I could understand 'bs1' finding 'bs1' and 'bs11' and 'bs13' etc but the first lot? that's just weird

[08:29:29]

mdeanda:

how do i get things in the media library? (i don't have/want a tuner, i just want videos off my hard drive)

[08:29:54]

juski:

I might have to pull the postcodes into another array & test each array element for a match based on length

[08:33:50]

sphery:

mdeanda: Video Manager

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mdeanda:

sphery: is that a separate plugin?

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sphery:

juski: The search looks backwards to me. Isn't the right-hand side of =~ the pattern and the left hand side the thing to be searched? It looks to me like $lookup is the list of postcodes and $input is the string to find in there.

[08:38:10]

** sphery is by no means a Perl expert **

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sphery:

mdeanda: MythVideo is the plugin. Video Manager is a utility that's "installed" with the plugin.

[08:38:51]

juski:

it works most of the time but I've found instances where it returns more than one match. what confuses me is that it's finding the string where it doesn't seem to be there

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mdeanda:

ahh ok building that now.. thanks for the help all.

[08:39:01]

sphery:

mdeanda: though if you don't want a tuner, Myth may not be right for you.

[08:39:40]

mdeanda:

yeah i may not.. but i thought freevo was also meant for the tuner crowd..

[08:39:56]

mdeanda:

i don't mind it if i have to hack it a little to hide non-tuner stuff later

[08:40:57]

mdeanda:

sphery: i've been wanting to set up this machine for so long now.. but i always give up b/c the apps i find are for those with tuners.. heh

[08:45:14]

juski:

maybe |S1 is being treated the same as BS1 by the string compare. hrm

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mdeanda:

should i report it as a bug that the howto has 'su -' then 'make install' i think the '-' always puts you in your default home directory.. users won't be building in the roots home dir.

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tfm:

no

[09:03:10]

tfm:

as "su -" assures you have the root users envirionment loaded

[09:03:17]

tfm:

so this is actually desired when compilling

[09:03:38]

laga:

why is this desired when *compiling*?

[09:04:02]

tfm:

because you could need some settings ? ;)

[09:04:19]

laga:

tfm: software which does not compile when you're not root is broken, IMHO

[09:04:20]

tfm:

anyway, good habbit to use -

[09:04:31]

tfm:

laga: then they should remove the su ;)

[09:04:41]

tfm:

but when you put su, you should put su -

[09:05:06]

laga:

no, you need root priviledges to copy mythtv stuff into various directories on your file system

[09:05:09]

laga:

get a clue

[09:05:20]

tfm:

long live packages ;)

[09:13:17]

juski:

su is just STFU without the 'tf'

[09:16:20]

mdeanda:

i'm just saying.. that for some people.. they may not know to cd back into the working directory after the su -.. its ok.. doesn't seem like mythtv ppl are much into docs anyways

[09:17:39]

laga:

if you don't know how to cd into a directory

[09:17:46]

laga:

you probably don't want to compile mythtv rom source

[09:18:07]

mdeanda:

not saying they won't know how.. i'm saying if they just follow those directions, they won't succeed.. there's a step missing..

[09:18:08]

laga:

there are excellent mythtv packages available nowadays which are a better choice for that kind of people, IMHO

[09:18:29]

laga:

mdeanda: you could submit a patch saying they need to cd back into the working directory

[09:18:38]

laga:

or use su -c make install or whatever

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Dagmar:

If ya'll are talking about wiki docs, fix them

[09:36:39]

Dagmar:

Not fixing them leads to things like system-tools-backends, which I am fixing a small portion of now.

[09:36:57]

Dagmar:

I can't bear to look at any more of it than I am looking at now, because it is so horribly insane it's making my eyes water

[09:37:37]

Dagmar:

Clearly, lots of people made little changes here and there, and just didn't bother to fix any of the lunacy.

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juski:

ah the wiki elves. God love em

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Immolo:

I hate it when people do that to wiki pages

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juski:

I hate wiki pages

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laga:

i lost my opengpg key. sigh

[10:19:23]

juski:

just get a new one cut

[10:19:47]

laga:

heh

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laga:

i just found it behind my desk, yay

[10:20:17]

laga:

now i need to find ut how to sign my ubuntu packages.

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laga:

so much fun.

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juski:

oo I've got an invite to a new HDD technology seminar :)

[10:45:37]

Immolo:

:o

[10:45:44]

Immolo:

can I come

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juski:

nope :P

[10:46:00]

Immolo:

damn you

[10:47:09]

** laga has just upload the first set of trunk packages for ubuntu to launchpad **

[10:47:12]

laga:

hope they'll build OK

[10:47:15]

juski:

yeah. damn me :D

[10:50:07]

Dagmar:

I feel like I need therapy after messing with system-tools-backends

[10:56:44]

** juski wonders if that nice female hdd manufacturer rep is on facebook **

[10:56:51]

** juski is a facebook stalker **

[10:58:04]

Dagmar:

I think I'll just stick with being a vigilante

[10:58:42]

Dagmar:

The real question... who wants a tool for submitting thousands of phony game currency requests to goldfarmer sites in order to bankrupt them

[10:59:05]

Dagmar:

I'm thinking I'll just email it to a few of them and suggest they could use it to wipe out their competition

[10:59:17]

Dagmar:

That seems to be the most poetic way to put it to use

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juski:

good arms deal that. give the weapons to both sides & let em exterminate each other :P

[11:02:58]

Dagmar:

Exactly.

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Dagmar:

Keeps the hands nice and clean.

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laga:

hum

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laga:

my myththemes checkout just vanished.

[11:07:34]

laga:

i can't find it.

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juski:

vanishing themes? Not guilty, m'lud

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laga:

heh

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juski:

finally found details of Sky's packages & which channels they contain

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BlackDark:

hi

[11:29:41]

BlackDark:

I don't know if it's been reported yet, probably yes

[11:30:17]

GreyFoxx:

?

[11:30:20]

BlackDark:

I have a bug with the OSD, when asking infos about the running recording, it displays the wrong lenght of the recording

[11:30:45]

GreyFoxx:

how wrong is it ?

[11:30:47]

BlackDark:

for instance, for a 1hour show, it shows 25h30

[11:30:53]

GreyFoxx:

hmmmm

[11:31:06]

BlackDark:

I recently upgraded my box from 0.16 to 0.20

[11:31:08]

GreyFoxx:

sounds like your seektable for that show isn't correct

[11:31:11]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

[11:31:19]

GreyFoxx:

you might need to rebuild your seektables

[11:31:26]

BlackDark:

how do I do that ?

[11:31:33]

GreyFoxx:

hold on asec

[11:31:37]

BlackDark:

sure

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juski:

also check the frontend has the right time, if it's a different machine to the backend

[11:32:26]

BlackDark:

no it;s on the same machine

[11:34:34]

GreyFoxx:

mythcommflag --rebuild --file filename

[11:34:56]

BlackDark:

ok good thks

[11:34:57]

GreyFoxx:

There is a --all flag which I assume would process all existing recordings

[11:35:01]

GreyFoxx:

I've neer had to use it though

[11:35:23]

BlackDark:

umm I never been using the commflag thing

[11:36:23]

GreyFoxx:

the internal recorder does it automatically

[11:36:35]

GreyFoxx:

mythcommflag is just another way we can manually trigger it

[11:36:58]

GreyFoxx:

mythcommflag does seektables as well as commflagging. You aren't forced to use commercial flagging

[11:37:26]

BlackDark:

Table './mythconverg/recordedseek' is marked as crashed and should be repaired

[11:37:33]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

[11:37:40]

BlackDark:

that's my problem

[11:37:43]

GreyFoxx:

that would certainly cause problems :)

[11:37:58]

Henkie:

uncrash it!

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BlackDark:

:)

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BlackDark:

an another question, the livetv is not erase automaticly ?

[11:44:13]

laga:

it is

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laga:

just takes some time before it's expired

[11:44:32]

juski:

if less than 2 mins, will be expired almost instantly

[11:44:43]

BlackDark:

where do I could adjust that ?

[11:44:49]

juski:

if more than 2 mins, either after 24 hours or when disk space is needed – whichever happens first

[11:44:56]

juski:

in the source code :P

[11:45:23]

BlackDark:

:)

[11:45:33]

BlackDark:

I though a setting somewhere :)

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kslater:

BlackDark: there *could* be a setting somewhere, if someone codes it..

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BlackDark:

kslater, off course

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BlackDark:

thanks guys, problem fixed

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roz:

I am getting "Couldn't find theme: G. A. N. T." when I run mythsetup after upgrading to 0.20.2 Anyone have any ideas?

[12:35:36]

laga:

is gant there?

[12:36:15]

roz:

i have gant and many others in /usr/share/mythtv/themes

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laga:

how did you upgrade?

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roz:

I use gentoo, so portage, built from source

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janneg:

roz: there should be "G.A.N.T." in /usr/share/mythtv/themes

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roz:

janneg: I have that

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roz:

janneg: inside is a bunch of .png files, txt file, xml file, and a few others

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janneg:

try running it with -O Theme=G.A.N.T.

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roz:

Invalid argument -O (trying to run mythsetup)

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roz:

mythsetup asks me to leave my card settings alone and my channel lineups alone, then exits to the command line with "Could not find theme: G.A.N.T."

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roz:

mythfrontend runs

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Dibblah:

Bwhahaha.

[12:45:05]

Dibblah:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . 25&num=1

[12:45:40]

Dibblah:

"AMD: Accelerating Open-Source Drivers?"

[12:45:50]

Dibblah:

Summary: Ummm... No.

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roz:

it kicks out the "Could not find theme: G.A.N.T." Twice then a "Couldn't find theme: G.A.N.T."

[12:47:18]

janneg:

roz: run it with -v most and paste the output to a pastebin

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roz:

apparantly its called the executeable has been changed from mythsetup to mythtv-setup

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roz:

the mythsetup file i have was not built yesterday

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zo0m:

heh 2 versions of myth installed in different paths?

[12:52:38]

roz:

well no, I wonder why it wasn't removed

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roz:

thanks all

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|Torg|:

is there a way to make make myth regenerate or generate on demand thumnails?

[13:17:15]

kslater:

anyone out there with an older mythdora installation? I'm trying to figure out my best options for joining the modern age (0.20.2)

[13:17:44]

kslater:

|Torg| you mean in the recorded shows views?

[13:18:09]

kslater:

I think if you delete the existing image, it will create a new one when needed, won't it?

[13:18:10]

|Torg|:

yes kslater

[13:18:20]

|Torg|:

I havnt tried, I was goign to try that next

[13:18:27]

|Torg|:

mythweb seems to be generating smaller versiont oo

[13:18:52]

|Torg|:

basicly I wanted to recreate one as it thumbnailed a blank screen, doh!

[13:19:07]

kslater:

hmm

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|Torg|:

how many frams have video vs how many are blank in between, and it picks one that is blank!

[13:19:28]

kslater:

if you whacked the current image it will just grab the same frame next time, so that won't work

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|Torg|:

so I wanted to make it skip a few keyframes

[13:20:17]

|Torg|:

nad kslater I dont know of a repo for mythdora, but you can compile it

[13:20:18]

kslater:

what I find amazing about that is it almost always seems to capture the show in a single frame

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|Torg|:

yes and its not the first frame either, but near the front

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kslater:

problem is that my version of mythdora is on FC4 and it's way out of support

[13:21:09]

kslater:

that's what I don't like about FC, changes too frequently

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|Torg|:

update teh whole thing?

[13:21:30]

Ribs:

a fresh install would be easier

[13:21:33]

|Torg|:

yum update it or what ever RH varient is apt

[13:21:37]

kslater:

yeah, sorta risky this close to the start of the TV season

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Ribs:

leave it then

[13:21:52]

Ribs:

if it works, don't fix it

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|Torg|:

kslater how big is your disk? a 10G partition is all you really need

[13:22:15]

kslater:

Ribs: it's the listings that I'm in trouble with. Have to go to SD now

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Ribs:

ah

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|Torg|:

if all you want are SD listings use the external grabber

[13:22:49]

|Torg|:

or if I can convert you download knoppmyth and make a 10G or so partition :)

[13:23:27]

kslater:

MythDora has been great for my EPIA systems. Although I do need to upgrade the video driver so that I can drive my HD TV

[13:23:33]

kslater:

too many projects, too little time.

[13:23:36]

GreyFoxx:

I've seen talk on the -users list about a script(s?) that will let you use SD with older mythtv's for those afraid to update (or can't due to lack of packages)

[13:23:42]

GreyFoxx:

but I don't know how well they work

[13:23:43]

kslater:

too bad we have to earn a living

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|Torg|:

you have an epia runnig HD?

[13:23:58]

BULLE:

kslater: you think an epia system can manage to play HD material ?

[13:24:13]

kslater:

BULLE – depends

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directhex|work:

inlikely

[13:24:22]

|Torg|:

yes, what BULLE said. I didnt think any of them could

[13:24:26]

directhex|work:

unlikely, even

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kslater:

I have my doubts, but if I have the show in MPEG2 and I can get it going through the MPEG2 decoder, I have a shot at it.

[13:24:59]

directhex|work:

mpeg2 you might have a hope with. maybe

[13:25:03]

|Torg|:

if you know of one, please by all means tell me. I want to setup a small micro ATC HD box (I dont think thats even posible)

[13:25:14]

directhex|work:

h264, not happening

[13:25:19]

directhex|work:

|Torg|, mac mini?

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kslater:

my HD source is only OTA, so it's always MPEG2 format

[13:25:37]

|Torg|:

mpeg2 would be fine, like kslater we have h262 streams

[13:25:41]

directhex|work:

kslater, that depends on your location

[13:26:05]

kslater:

US OTA is all MPEG2 since that's what my card lays down.

[13:26:18]

kslater:

at least that's what I thought was true

[13:26:26]

|Torg|:

directhex|work can I put linux on the mac mini or am i stuck with the rest of the people trying to compile myth on OSX?

[13:26:41]

|Torg|:

yes kslater, thats true

[13:26:54]

BULLE:

thing is, the world is not usa

[13:27:02]

BULLE:

i think most nations actualy use h264

[13:27:04]

|Torg|:

yes BULLE that is also true :)

[13:27:04]

directhex|work:

|Torg|, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/picturebox/a . . . #picture_nav

[13:27:24]

|Torg|:

dont you know we live in the US and dont have to listen to anyone. WE do what we want and expect everyone else to follow us :P

[13:27:56]

|Torg|:

besides ATSC is superior to ITV :P

[13:28:16]

|Torg|:

directhex|work, is this your system?

[13:28:28]

directhex|work:

my office pc

[13:28:35]

BULLE:

|Torg|: yeah =D, i have two friends that recently moved to the states ( boston and la ) and they got pretty annoyed with the lack of lots of techy things they got used to here =)

[13:28:54]

|Torg|:

oh and our cell phones rock, there years ahead of yours

[13:29:18]

BULLE:

|Torg|: hahahah, yes indeed, execpt for the ahead part =D

[13:29:33]

|Torg|:

cant you tell im being facetious :P

[13:29:46]

|Torg|:

next time I got to London I swear im going to bring back and ulocked GSM phone

[13:30:11]

directhex|work:

|Torg|, you've got the iphone! the iphone for christ's sake! it's the iphoniest iphone ever!

[13:30:28]

BULLE:

|Torg|: no worries =)

[13:30:39]

** Esine couldn't even buy a locked phone even if he wanted to :[ **

[13:30:55]

BULLE:

Esine: around here any store that sells phones will sell you unlocked phones

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|Torg|:

hmm maybe Ill import unlecked iphones :)

[13:31:09]

Esine:

BULLE, same. Locked phones are sort of illegal here..

[13:31:27]

Esine:

selling them locked*

[13:31:41]

|Torg|:

Esine its actually a little known fact but in the US when the carrier gives you a locked phone you can call them, and by law, they have to unlock it

[13:31:55]

Esine:

wow really?

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BULLE:

Esine: they are not illeagal here, and people do buy locked phones, in order to get a cheaper phone, but its not uncommon for people to just go for an unlocked phone, and a cheap prepaid card

[13:32:11]

Esine:

|Torg|, wouldn't that work with the iphone too then?

[13:32:17]

|Torg|:

a yes

[13:32:31]

|Torg|:

you are serious, you relly think its cool and want one?

[13:32:31]

BULLE:

|Torg|: it works the same way here, but only after you have had the carrier for the agreed time, normaly 1 to 3 years

[13:32:33]

niter3:

Question guys... Is there anyway to get free lineups?

[13:32:46]

|Torg|:

hell the flyers for it are sitting on my kitken table, AT&T wont leave me alone abou it

[13:33:11]

BULLE:

|Torg|: just tell them you want umts support so you can use the phone at decent speed !

[13:33:15]

|Torg|:

ys nighter, acost the bum on the streat and steel his newspaper

[13:33:50]

|Torg|:

BULLE, altho I agree, I live soooo far in the country im lucky to even get signal, let alone anything with speed

[13:34:03]

|Torg|:

im pretty sure my phone falls back to GPRS on a regular basis

[13:34:30]

BULLE:

|Torg|: well, atleast here, i doubt they can launch an iphone without umts support, as only about half of the operators even have gsm nets

[13:34:44]

|Torg|:

I have a gsm repeator on a 30' tower just so I can use it in my home

[13:34:54]

Esine:

haha

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BULLE:

|Torg|: oh, its that bad

[13:35:10]

|Torg|:

depends on what you think is *bad*

[13:35:27]

BULLE:

around here, they handed out frequencies to the carriers based on the coverage they commited to, so we have pretty good coverage, even right out in nowhere

[13:35:31]

|Torg|:

my nighers are cows (really), and if you drive up my road your comming to see me or your lost

[13:35:52]

BULLE:

m00

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|Torg|:

I get poor signal becase the cell company would have to put a tower on my land for just me

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|Torg|:

closest tower is about 20 miles next to the freeway

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|Torg|:

hence, my repeator and 30' tower

[13:37:33]

|Torg|:

I listen to Srius radio becasue im so far out, and the fact I get ATSc is a miracle

[13:37:36]

kslater:

|Torg| is in CA or US? Can't remember..

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|Torg|:

US, Texas

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|Torg|:

south of Dalls, Fort Wroth really in Johnson county

[13:38:41]

|Torg|:

I have a little 1500 sq foot house on 5 acres of land with 10 ajoining it (or more exact my wife does, I live here :P)

[13:38:42]

kslater:

back to the EPIA and HD playback, I know that lots of folks have said no way, but I think it should be doable, although far from easy.

[13:39:23]

|Torg|:

kslater if you get it to work it would be great

[13:39:27]

Dagmar:

kslater: I'm thinking I could probably do it, but I'm *certain* I don't want to see emails from people "it don't wekr" for because they changed something significant without knowing what they're doing

[13:39:38]

Dagmar:

It's just too tight a fit

[13:40:00]

|Torg|:

what I really want is to letterbox 1080I down to 480I

[13:40:09]

|Torg|:

im pretty sure ill eat a cpu up to do that

[13:41:02]

kslater:

back to debugging for me

[13:42:30]

|Torg|:

directhex|work what do you have hardware wide in your mac mini? cpu ran, etc

[13:42:58]

directhex|work:

|Torg|, this is an imac, but they're pretty much the same, give or take a 24" widescreen monitor or two

[13:43:13]

|Torg|:

dont need a monitor

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|Torg|:

plan, well tentative plan, is to put another FE in the back bedroom with the old TV

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|Torg|:

nice tv, big tv, heavy as hell 4:3 TV

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niter3:

|Torg|: I hate to say this guys, but due to this lineups issue, it's really pushing me towards MCE instad of mythtv.

[13:43:53]

|Torg|:

hence the 1080I to 480I conversion

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|Torg|:

niter3 go pay the $15

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, but a mac mini tends to have a core2 dup, and intel onboard. and some ram. and a slot optical drive

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directhex|work:

and a hard disk!

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|Torg|:

its not like its expensive, and its a HELL of allot cheaper then buying MCE

[13:44:22]

directhex|work:

niter3, MCE is free?

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Dagmar:

...and a really pimp interface.

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Dagmar:

Probbaly better to get the full-on uPnP media server stuff working with mythbackend and let the MacMini talk to it that way

[13:44:52]

Dagmar:

...or AppleTV

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niter3:

MCE can be free

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|Torg|:

yes Dagmar and I see ppl problems with it come here day in and day out

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, i've never seena glimmer of life from upnp on myth. ever.

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Dagmar:

niter3: If it's not worth paying for, then it's not worth using.

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directhex|work:

Dagmar earns cake!

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Dagmar:

directhex|work; That's okay, I've almost never seen a glimmer of documentation on how the @#$@$ uPnP actually works

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|Torg|:

Dagmar can I quote you on that :)

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directhex|work:

niter3, if MCE isn't worth the price of admission, why would you want it?

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niter3:

I'm hoping you guys can talk me out

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niter3:

I really don't want to go that route.

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|Torg|:

Dagmar I can tell you how upnp av works at least on a pratical level, I use it (well tested it)

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niter3:

At all!

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Dagmar:

So don't.

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Dagmar:

Pay yer $15 and hope like the rest of us that the price will go down

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Dagmar:

At least with SchedDirect you can be sure your money is not being blown on yachts and hookers

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|Torg|:

pay $15 a quarter and keep paying it every damn quarter

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|Torg|:

thats $60 a year, hardly expensive

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|Torg|:

and oh your supporting eveyone ELSE that pays for it too

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Dagmar:

I'm figuring that it likely *will* go down

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|Torg|:

yea no yachets

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juski:

in the UK$15 a month is about the cost of 3 bpints of beer

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, tested it how? i managed to get 1 app to acknowledge that it *existed* once, but never managed to *use* it

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Dagmar:

It's $15/quarter

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juski:

oh yeah

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directhex|work:

so a beer a month

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juski:

$5 is like one beer

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|Torg|:

directhex|work when it was being written in I used a few upnp av deviced I have

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Dagmar:

Yeah, not exactly expensive, even when burning off the start-up costs

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directhex|work:

juski, could you cope with 1 fewer beer a month?

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|Torg|:

it works, its just I dont have nay capable of playing HD content

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directhex|work:

half a half-pint a week?

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juski:

if you can't spare that, you should move to Scotland :P

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directhex|work:

they have beer up there?

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|Torg|:

and juski thats only because everyting in the UK is 2x what it costs here :P

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Dagmar:

On an entirely random note, I suspect those German terror suspects might not in fact have been looking to blow anyone up

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Dagmar:

...cuz what else can you do with 1500lbs of hydrogen peroxide?>

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|Torg|:

bleach blonds

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juski:

terrorists – sounds a lot like 'toursists' when Bush says it dontcha think?

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juski:

*tourists, even

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|Torg|:

juski, same thing

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, you don't have "beer" in the US though

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directhex|work:

you have "bottled pee"

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|Torg|:

umm directhex|work while mostly you are correct, I can assue you I can find real ale here, real bach here and a few others

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|Torg|:

I dont really like ale that much, please dont hit me

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directhex|work:

you're an uncultured yank, it's not your fault

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|Torg|:

http://www.shiner.com/

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|Torg|:

Ive drank that since I was a teenager

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kslater:

beer brewing is a talent and not geographically limited to any area

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directhex|work:

kslater, beer drinking is cultural, and enormously geographically limited

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kslater:

right, the Austrians would say their area. :)

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directhex|work:

australia is a land of lager

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|Torg|:

and I got plenty of culter, it says so on this yoshurt right here :)

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kslater:

not Australia, Austria

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directhex|work:

oh, them. there are a lot of good brews from that corner of europe, that much is true

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|Torg|:

I do import Typhoo, does that count :)

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kslater:

although you are totally correct that much of the US drinks carbonated something or other that isn't beer

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, typhoo? as in a crap brand of teabags nobody drinks anymore?

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|Torg|:

kslater its beer, I know for a fact it is, they just add water

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kslater:

but you don't have to. Plenty of places brewing their own very good beers

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|Torg|:

yes directhex|work that, I like it :P

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directhex|work:

i don't like beer anyway

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directhex|work:

i'm a rum drinker

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kslater:

it's not beer if you make it out of corn or rice

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directhex|work:

and yanks *do* suffer rumwise, what with the embargo

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|Torg|:

I know the chemist for the local Miller beer bottling company, THAT is swill

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|Torg|:

and her job mostly is to check the water in the beer, they put it there INTENTIONALLY

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|Torg|:

and being a Texan I drink tequilla

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directhex|work:

oh sure, mexicans are damned immigrants unless they bring booze with them

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|Torg|:

actually the mexicans I know dont want to come here

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Dagmar:

Just so long as they leave that weak beer at home

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, serves the same purpose as grog

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|Torg|:

the only thing I dont like about tequilla is it used to be what the poor people drank and was cheap, now the corporate asses got ahold of it and jacked up the rpice 3 and 4x

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drindt:

i place a .htpasswd file into my mythweb root folder but seems that apache the file not recognizes but why? someone has a suggestion for me?

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Dagmar:

No, actual grog has kind of a built-in limiter

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Dagmar:

There's only so much saltwater you can chug down before you wind up returning it

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|Torg|:

drindt go look up conf.d for apache

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Dagmar:

Watered-down beer is just watered-down

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|Torg|:

Dagmar I tought grogg was run and water

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|Torg|:

err rum

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Dagmar:

Rum and *saltwater*

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Dagmar:

Specifically, seawater

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|Torg|:

sound yummy

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drindt:

|Torg|: yes, for what i must looking? i read in apache docs but ... i get not clued

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|Torg|:

drindt its in the readme for mythweb

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Dagmar:

It's watered down, but saltwater is one of the nicer things you could find compared to what it was originally watered down with (which was basically "nasty water")

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directhex|work:

i'll stick with neat rum, TYVM

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Dagmar:

Me, too.

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Dagmar:

Sailor Jimmy & Capn' Morgan FTW

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|Torg|:

try El Tesoro reposado

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niter3:

i've installed mythvideo but it's not appearing in MythWeb. any ideas??

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, Santiago De Cuba Ron Añejo

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|Torg|:

no videos?

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|Torg|:

directhex|work you like the anejos?

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drindt:

|Torg|: sorry but i do all like the readme told but no auth response appear

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|Torg|:

did you restart apache?

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, who doesn't? white rum is swill

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|Torg|:

I prefer the reposado myself

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|Torg|:

I tend to think the anejo is more marketing then anything else

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drindt:

|Torg|: the documentation told me "htpasswd -c htpasswd mythtv" but i guess the . (dot) is failing there?

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niter3:

|Torg|: I have videos . i can access it under mythtv witout a program. In mythewb I don't even have the link to click on videos

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|Torg|:

and white rum is what I mix with fruity juice for the ladies :)

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, it's a fairly standard classification for rum

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|Torg|:

ROTFL

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|Torg|:

directhex|work I have been drinking tequilla and mescal for oh about 30 years!

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|Torg|:

belive me, its one of the things I know QUITE well

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, who gives a *doodie* about tequila? not i

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niter3:

|Torg|: Any ideas?

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|Torg|:

niter3 is your BE and FE sperate systems?

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niter3:

no

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niter3:

on the same box

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|Torg|:

do they not show up at all?

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, certainly for cuban rums, Añejo is 7-year. which is a decent enough compromise between flavor & cost. i could never go back to white rum now, having tried neat and mixed drinks side-by-side with a variety of different ages & localities

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niter3:

just under mythweb. It doesn't add the plugin to mythweb.

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|Torg|:

umm directhex|work anejo meaing aged, is for a minumum of 1 year but less then 3 in oak barrels

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|Torg|:

specialy the oak barrels used for wine, then rum, then tequilla

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|Torg|:

extra aneajo is for at least 3 years

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|Torg|:

tastes like charcol to me

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drindt:

|Torg|: do you still with me? (please)

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT FUCKING TEQUILA. christ on a bike

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|Torg|:

oh directhex|work, sorry :P

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floppyears:

hi guys how is it going ?

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|Torg|:

drindt, htpassword is how yuo setup authentication

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|Torg|:

its more an apache thing, then a mythweb thing

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directhex|work:

floppyears, bad. |Torg| is confused by the idea of rum

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|Torg|:

you have to put the passord file somewhere apache can read it that is NOT in a directory serverd by the server

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floppyears:

hehe

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|Torg|:

directhex|work, im not confused on rum, I DONT DRINK IT

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|Torg|:

falls under things like, umm seawater

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|Torg|:

I dont drink that either

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directhex|work:

obvious sign of confusion :|

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|Torg|:

leme guess, youdrink bicardi

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juski:

bi-cardi? do you drink that non-straight?

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|Torg|:

I dont drink it at all

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directhex|work:

i don't purchase any bacardi-family products at all

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|Torg|:

stright, non stright, mised with anything

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directhex|work:

on the grand scale of irresponsible corporate damage, they rank right near the top

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directhex|work:

and the rum's not very nice either

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|Torg|:

their rum I clasify with rubbing alacohol

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|Torg|:

with the latter being more palatable :)

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directhex|work:

ethically tained rubbing alcohol!

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Dagmar:

Smells like there should be a cotton ball with a swizzle stick shoved through it dropped in it

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, bacardi carta blanca && 151, or their entire product range?

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|Torg|:

so, aside from illegal campagn contributions, what else have they done?

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directhex|work:

had the "bacardi law" written & passed

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directhex|work:

which invalidates all cuban trademarks, in direct violation of WTO rules

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directhex|work:

purely to allow them to sell "havana club" branded rum in the US

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directhex|work:

with the side effect of allowing fake cigars etc in too

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directhex|work:

and paid to have the latest version of the embargo, the Helms-Buron act, written

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|Torg|:

ahh well Cuba is special

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directhex|work:

directly leading to poverty for a population of 12 million

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|Torg|:

it has a particualr place in US politics

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, the 1960-is-now place?

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|Torg|:

I thought it was 50's

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directhex|work:

whenever

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directhex|work:

it's still utterly indefensible

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|Torg|:

but their comunists

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directhex|work:

ZOMGCOMMIES!

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directhex|work:

they're still communists because the castro regime remains. the castro regime remains *because* of the embargo, not in spite of it

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directhex|work:

and despite what joe mccarthy may have told you, the existence of communist countries doesn't mean the US will suddenly implode

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directhex|work:

what happened *last* time you tried to end a communist regime? why, that would be... afghanistan. where you trained the taliban to kill communists & remove the democratically elected communist government

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|Torg|:

no I think it would be Iraq, no wiat we just supplied them with weapons agsint Iran

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|Torg|:

no it was Panama, no wait that was a drug czar we supported as pesident

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|Torg|:

umm holdon, im thinking here

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|Torg|:

Vietnam, and yes that ended so well

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|Torg|:

there ya go :)

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directhex|work:

except that was before afghanistan, but it's all good. um, bad. whatever

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laga:

yay, politics

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directhex|work:

doesn't mean there's any way to morally write off the enforced poverty of a nation of 12 million civilians, on the whims of a booze factory and a long-one cold-war idiot like mccarthy

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|Torg|:

actually withe the execption of the last one, I was thinknig of al the plces my goventment sent me as a soldier

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|Torg|:

its a well known fact the us military is used to "fix" broken forien policy

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|Torg|:

its been like that since the Korean war

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|Torg|:

and directhex|work I agree with you, I just wanted to see how long it would take you to figure out I was being facetious

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, and americans wonder why they're universally derided by citizens of other countries? when did the US last have someone in control of foreign policy who was able to tie their own shoelaces, let alone understand the complexities of foreign intervention and blowback?

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|Torg|:

ok shall we talk about Tony Blair then instead :P

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directhex|work:

he's an ass no longer in power, who more or less got forced out

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|Torg|:

well we WERE talking about polotics in history

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|Torg|:

if you like we can vist strategic sheep in the falklands

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Dagmar:

directhex|work: That's called "trollery". We don't wonder about it

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Dagmar:

Most of those people deriding the US can't tell the difference between US citizenry and US gov't, so fuck 'em

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|Torg|:

actualy I wouldnt put to omuch crdit to the citizenry either, remmebr I live iwth Bubba

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, and most of those in the US can't tell the difference between a muslim and a terrorist. so i'd say that was fair play

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Dagmar:

Considering what's actually *in* the Koran, the muslims have a fun time explaining it as wel

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|Torg|:

most cant tell you the differnce between a suni and a shiite

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, and the bible or torah are better on that front?

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Dagmar:

Lessee... sand dweller shooting as his neighbor... and a sand-dweller shooting at his neighbor

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Dagmar:

directhex|work: Neither call for genocide that I ever noticed

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Dagmar:

At any rate, just because someone else somewhere is ignorant, is no excuse for anyone *else* behaving in an ignorant fashion

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|Torg|:

and to be fair Bush went into Iraw for oil, the Iraqi's unfortuanly just get in the way

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Dagmar:

The idea is to RAISE awareness, not excuse the lack of it

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|Torg|:

its some pesky thing about invasion and homeland, I dont really understand why they want the US to leave

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Dagmar:

Hey, in case you didn't notice, about 75% of the US wants the US to leave, too.

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Dagmar:

Me, I'm practically cheering the terrorists at this point

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|Torg|:

no wiat, the Irai's like us there, go losten to CNN

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Dagmar:

But hey, the Iranian PM isn't helping matters either

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Dagmar:

In fact, you can make a pretty strong argument that he's being stupid, since we've already demonstrated pretty clearly that Bush has no idea what the word "bluff" means

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directhex|work:

reclassifying an entire army as terrorists to you can rendition-flight them to death isn't exactly a friendly gesture though

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|Torg|:

hell we should hand the whole country to the Kurds and tell them not to shoot us as we leave (not that we wouldtn deserve it)

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Dagmar:

Sadam liked to bluff like that.

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Dagmar:

Bush isn't real bright, and called his bluff without knowing there was no point in calling it.

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Dagmar:

The current administration is probably even less clueful.

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directhex|work:

probably?

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Dagmar:

OKay, so I wouldn't trust them to find their own asses with both hands.

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directhex|work:

now, reassure me a little here. continued aggression against cuba – a really good thing for you yanks?

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Dagmar:

What aggression?

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|Torg|:

directhex|work I dont make foreign policy

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Dagmar:

There's the same embargo that's been there for ages now.

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, it's been tightened, every 5 years or so, since the 60s

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Dagmar:

Well, you know, embargoes aren't just for looks

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, and it benefits you how?

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, your government serves you, not the reverse

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|Torg|:

realli directhex|work, thats the theory anyway

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Dagmar:

directhex|work: Fuck if I know. All that stsuff was set up before I was born

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|Torg|:

you do know the US inst a democracy, right. That we expouse it all over the place and its mostly a lie?

[14:48:57]

|Torg|:

you do realise the US was never set up as a Democracy, right?

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Dagmar:

It's not a lie. It's factually incorrect.

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Dagmar:

It's a republic here.

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|Torg|:

same as the Romans, we even stole there eagle

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, the embargo is a continuation of a personal vendetta against a particular despot. except a us citizen travelling to syria, or laos, or afghanistan, isn't subject to a 6-figure fine and/or jail time. it's grown more and more hardline as the years pass, not less – i mean, if they open up again, the damned commies might want to put more missile bases there!

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directhex|work:

don't see also: us missile defence shield currently being positioned on the russian border

[14:53:12]

|Torg|:

I wuldnt call it personal, more like multi-personal

[14:53:28]

Dagmar:

directhex|work: And this is a personal vendetta of who?

[14:53:39]

Dagmar:

We cycle out our politicians ona regular basis, most of the time

[14:54:11]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, the torch gets passed. nowadays, politically influential exiles.

[14:54:15]

directhex|work:

which would mean, erm, bacardi

[14:54:38]

directhex|work:

you're running a *tender loving* enbargo for the benefit of a puerto-rican booze company. congrats.

[14:54:43]

|Torg|:

there you go on that sugar thing again, man you should lay off that stuff

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, the terms of the embargo are really rather directed

[14:56:37]

|Torg|:

btw as for "evry 5 years" the last change was the trade scanctiosn adn reform act by Clinton in 1999, before that the helms-burton act in 1996

[14:56:59]

|Torg|:

you do know it started over sugar, right?

[14:58:25]

directhex|work:

|Torg|, dangerous nuclear sugar?

[14:58:51]

|Torg|:

the last thing that happend 5 years ago, there or abouts, was an attempt to LIFT the ban, not make it stonger, Bush threatons to veto it so it was dropped

[14:59:22]

|Torg|:

directhex|work im serious it was about stopping sugar imports, then Russia decide to take them up and it excaleted fromt here

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, indeed. and it's critical to US homeland security to keep it in place, lest they start exporting more evil communist sugar! :o

[15:00:56]

|Torg|:

all that happend before I was born tho

[15:02:33]

directhex|work:

|Torg|, yes, it did. right now, today, how do you feel economic sanctions against 12 million civilians benefits you? not before you were born; today.

[15:03:51]

|Torg|:

feel about it, about the same as I view our involment in Somalia (another of the military travel plans site list)

[15:04:15]

|Torg|:

about the same as I fel in our involvment in Soudan

[15:04:32]

|Torg|:

about the same as I feel about our involment in ethiopia

[15:04:43]

|Torg|:

about the same as I feel about our involment in Bosnia

[15:04:54]

|Torg|:

about the same as I feel about our involment in Iraw

[15:04:58]

|Torg|:

you want tme to go on?

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laga:

why not

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laga:

it's #mythtv-users after all

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|Torg|:

yea, so why shoudlnt we talk about politics and alcohol :)

[15:05:51]

|Torg|:

wait we forgot religion, no I think we did that too

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Dagmar:

directhex|work: To put it bluntly, I don't give a shit because I have exactly zero control over it

[15:11:51]

directhex|work:

hooray for democracy!

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Dagmar:

Again, the US is not a democracy.

[15:12:33]

directhex|work:

it's a democratic republic

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Dagmar:

It's not a democracy.

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Dagmar:

If it were a democracy, we could vote on it and make it go away.

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Dagmar:

It functions like an oligarchy.

[15:15:02]

Dagmar:

So, by painting with such a broad brush as to hold all US citizens responsible for the actions of the minority they have no control over, you're just making an ass of yourself.

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directhex|work:

you vote for a representative to best serve your needs & interests, as with most countries with elections. if *they* want to get in, they need to do what the electorate wants them to. that would mean you.

[15:16:32]

directhex|work:

voter apathy is a dangerous thing

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|Torg|:

specifically we vote for a senator and a representative (they get to redraw distics allot too), our preisdent we dont get to vote for (or more precisly our electorial colledge does and we dont vote for them). Our ecomopny is lead by the federal reserve (a non govenmetn organizaion)

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|Torg|:

and I have about as much "controll" over that is I do UK politics, which is none

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Dagmar:

directhex|work: Hey, it's not just apathy. Vote all you like. Diebold sold 'em to the highest bidder already.

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|Torg|:

so as laga pointed out, and as Dagmar reiterated, this is pointless

[15:19:10]

Dagmar:

But hey, if you don't like the US that much, we'll happily stop making all your software.

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Dagmar:

Bitching at people who are helpful to you because they are on the same landmass as people you don't like is extremely counter-productive

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Dagmar:

You might as well be blaming us for what goes down in the Andes or Venezuela or Mexico

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Dagmar:

Just give it until August of next year when Bush/Cheney will probably try to extend the presidency further, and we burn down DC.

[15:22:06]

Dagmar:

THEN you can pass a judgement.

[15:22:19]

Dagmar:

Until you've lived here and seen how it works, bugger off.

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directhex|work:

nobody will lift a finger at bush's third term

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Dagmar:

Fucking *watch me*

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Dagmar:

My ass will be in the car wiht a bullhorn and a dozen rotten eggs the same damn day

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cesman:

lol

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cesman:

directhex|work: is frelling high if he things that...

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Dagmar:

I'll be lucky to have anything to throw eggs at

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directhex|work:

nobody cared about the last couple of elections being bought. and since you have no influence over your government anyway, it really won't make the blindest bit of difference

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|Torg|:

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

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|Torg|:

its called teh 22ns amendmant and takes more then just the prident to repeal

[15:26:32]

Dagmar:

Again, until you've lived here and know what's going on, you're talking through your hat.

[15:26:34]

directhex|work:

|Torg|, yes, because the current lot *really* care about the constitution

[15:27:47]

|Torg|:

I think youve been watcing too much Fox news and being fead by Murdoch

[15:28:04]

|Torg|:

I really dont think he will be able to serve a thrid term

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|Torg|:

then again I am an engineer, not a policial lawyer

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Dagmar:

Yes, and that is exactly why the "approval rating" of the current administration, even among the sedentary senior-citizen who are being polled because they still have land line phones, is in the ~30% range

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Dagmar:

Outside of that, it's approaching 20% everywhere else

[15:28:51]

Dagmar:

Extending the presidency further will not happen

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Dagmar:

Not without civil war

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** cesman ponders where it is that directhex|work that is so utopian... **

[15:32:17]

directhex|work:

the most utopian country in the world is obviously belgium. duh!

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Dagmar:

cesman: Just the only country with more surveillance of their own citizenry than the US

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, you forgot the lack of right to free speech or fair use

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|Torg|:

Dagmar, belgum? or did you mean the UK?

[15:33:29]

Dagmar:

We don't have those anymore either.

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Dagmar:

Free speech is not only allowed in "free speech zones" far, far away from anything important.

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Dagmar:

Fair use is now obsolesced by SLAP suits

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Dagmar:

...and DMCA notifications.

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directhex|work:

well we've got top judges suggesting a universal DNA database of all citizens & visitors to the country

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directhex|work:

that even beats being fingerprinted at the arrivals desk in yankland

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Dagmar:

Already got that here

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Dagmar:

In fact, I'm pretty damn sure the US is monitoring even this IRC network

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cesman:

we'll know, if Dagmar goes silent over this call for civil war ;)

[15:37:58]

cesman:

s/this/his

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directhex|work:

yep, it's all logged

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Dagmar:

Yeah well, it's get arrested for speaking my mind, or move to canada, and I figure bail is cheaper than moving

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, you don't get bail in gitmo!

[15:39:32]

Dagmar:

Oh well.

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Dagmar:

At least I have the cojones

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|Torg|:

actualy they probbly do not monitor IP

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|Torg|:

err IRC

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|Torg|:

the IP moinotrs that were put in place only monitor certain tings, what those certain thigs are I can can tell you

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|Torg|:

if you want to know more, go look up CALEA

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Dagmar:

They do.

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Dagmar:

I've seen the hardware they use for one of the networks.

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Dagmar:

Remeber, Undernet and Dalnet willingly provided hookups

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Dagmar:

EFNet did not, and therefore sniffers were installed at at least one facility that I'm aware of, probably a second as well.

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GreyFoxx:

heh I remember back in ~99 we had a customer (back when I worked for a cable ISP) who put up a "I'm going to bill the US president" page. We had FBI and RCMP at our office wanting to know who he was :)

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Dagmar:

i feel sorry for those guys for some of the really stupid shit they have to follow up on

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GreyFoxx:

thn they wanted us to monitor his email for them and websurfing

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, erm, "kill", right?

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|Torg|:

ok on a more mythtv realted note, what part of the code created thumbnails?

[15:51:32]

directhex|work:

as opposed to "present with an invoice"

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|work: hahah yes

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GreyFoxx:

kill

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GreyFoxx:

hahah damn typos

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Dagmar:

If a 12 year old sends an email to president@whitehouse.gov saying "the president sucks eggs" some poor shmuck from the SS *has to* make a trip out there to verify that it's not a credible threat

[15:51:47]

GreyFoxx:

I had bill clinton the breain

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, there are worse places to have a bill clinton

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Dagmar:

(like in your humidor)

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directhex|work:

did anything become of schwarzenegger offering proper cuban cigars at some official republican function?

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clever:

ARG

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clever:

mythbackend stoped recording to the SG with 6gig free

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clever:

and moved to the nearly empty one

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clever:

and commited suicide:P

[15:57:53]

directhex|work:

mythbackend in "fell over" shocker?

[15:58:02]

clever:

it ate every byte up

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clever:

and got stuck in the inf loop

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laga:

report a bug

[15:58:50]

clever:

no idea what triggered it or how to reproduce it

[15:59:08]

clever:

and loging the output would worsen it(eat space faster)

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clever:

ive had mythbackend logs reach 7gig in under a day before

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|Torg|:

clever whats your min free space set to?

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clever:

2gig

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|Torg|:

whats the filesystem type?

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Dagmar:

ffs

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clever:

ext2 all round

[16:02:56]

Dagmar:

I just had to tell the executive secretary how to use the exchange directory

[16:03:00]

clever:

maybe an ext3 in some places

[16:03:00]

|Torg|:

does dmesg have anything in it?

[16:03:12]

Dagmar:

why does god hate me

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clever:

mostly bttv errors/warnings

[16:03:25]

clever:

[17238862.856000] bttv0: SCERR @ 1aba4000,bits: VSYNC HSYNC OFLOW FBUS SCERR*

[16:03:33]

|Torg|:

did your box reach over 75% waitio?

[16:03:34]

clever:

[17238669.352000] bttv0: reset, reinitialize

[16:03:47]

clever:

it often hits 60–80% waiting

[16:04:21]

clever:

but its normaly under 50% when mythbackend is recording since it needs the other half just to encode it

[16:04:37]

|Torg|:

those are all my gueses, sorry I dunno

[16:04:43]

clever:

i wasnt awake when the problem started so i dont know what was happening the instant the problem started

[16:05:08]

clever:

i went to sleep with enough space for a few days of recording and woke up to it acting like it was out of space and a drive full

[16:05:23]

clever:

[17238862.856000] bttv0: IRQ lockup, cleared int mask [bits: VSYNC HSYNC OFLOW F

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clever:

BUS SCERR*]

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|Torg|:

umm thats bad

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clever:

yeah thought so:P

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|Torg|:

you need a faster cpu

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clever:

its 1.6ghz

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|Torg|:

I dont care if its a 50000ghz cpu

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clever:

Sep 5 01:42:26 theP4 kernel: [17238863.408000] bttv0: timeout: drop=62 irq=2276257/32471090, risc=06df201c, bits: VSYNC HSYNC OFLOW FBUS SCERR

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clever:

Sep 5 02:38:31 theP4 kernel: [17242228.256000] bttv0: SCERR @ 1aba4000,bits: OFLOW FDSR SCERR*

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|Torg|:

its dropping irqs, and that a serice que problme

[16:07:21]

clever:

Sep 5 10:48:10 theP4 kernel: [17271607.172000] input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input4

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clever:

the keyboard msg is when i woke up and noticed the problem

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|Torg|:

it means litteraly the card tried to get teh attention of the cpu 20 times and failed, so instead of doing work it simply fluhes the buffer

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clever:

ouch

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|Torg|:

it means your CPU is not serviceing its interupts

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|Torg|:

since an x86 box is interupt driven, that is bad

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clever:

it never had these errors before

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|Torg|:

it means you overran the cpu

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clever:

it used to do all this just fine

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|Torg|:

PROBBLY exaperated by waitio

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clever:

(before i added that 80gig drive...)

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|Torg|:

how much memory is in it?

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clever:

512mb

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|Torg|:

how much of that is in use?

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clever:

200mb+ cached

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clever:

6mb free

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clever:

Mem: 515988k total, 509348k used, 6640k free, 3228k buffers

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clever:

Swap: 1052216k total, 150496k used, 901720k free, 278196k cached

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|Torg|:

add more memory to it

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|Torg|:

memory can maks those same problems

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|Torg|:

have it do less all at the same time, offload some cpu

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clever:

last time i tried to add ram to the box

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clever:

the bios screamed at me saying bad ram

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|Torg|:

umatched ram?

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clever:

probly

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clever:

just a ramdom chip that psysicaly fit

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clever:

i took the ram out

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clever:

and xp ran oddly slow

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clever:

dads way of fixing things is to try and reboot so i did that

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clever:

the xp never booted since:P

[16:11:47]

clever:

then when i got the new hdd i turned the box over to linux

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clever:

(was getting tons of read errors i think but those might have been from the drive overheating)

[16:12:18]

clever:

drive was pretty hot

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|Torg|:

drives produce heat, its a fact of IT

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clever:

and it gives off a loud abnormal noise now whenever i power it up:S

[16:12:49]

clever:

yeah but this was nearly enough to burn my hands

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|Torg|:

abnormal as in what?

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clever:

its not normaly that loud or that freq

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|Torg|:

and heat dsont really effect performance of a HDD as much as you think

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clever:

i think its allmost drowning out the fans in the case

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clever:

but i havent powered that drive in months(runing it might cause more damage to the disks)

[16:14:03]

|Torg|:

some drives click or whine when they first start up, anything more then that usualy indicated impending doom

[16:14:17]

clever:

yeah i know they all click when seeking

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|Torg|:

some whine incessatly while they run too, but its hardly noticable

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clever:

but this is a diff noise

[16:14:36]

clever:

this is very noticable

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|Torg|:

the click isnt seeking, its resetting the stepper motor

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|Torg|:

if your drive is contantly clicking, back it up and replace it

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clever:

thats the other click

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clever:

i know the patern of clicks for bad sectors

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clever:

ive heard it often

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clever:

the gateway MADE bad sectors on any drive i put in that laptop

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** juski rues the day he ever came up with this bloody channel config wizard idea **

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|Torg|:

juski you still stuck?

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juski:

|Torg|: nah I'm the daddy wrt getting the data out of the xml files & querying it now

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** clever powers the drive up in a usb enclosure to listen to it **

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|Torg|:

its a good idea btw

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juski:

just doing more data entry

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juski:

the complete & utter DIRGE channels we have on Astra is unbelievable

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|Torg|:

that sky.xml was too much for me

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clever:

its on

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clever:

whiring noise is louder then 'normal'

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juski:

but it's given me a further idea – "add shopping channels? (y/n)"

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clever:

dad thinks its a bit high pitched

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|Torg|:

clever how old are you?

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clever:

I am 20.458505 years old. (I'll be 21 in 28wks 2days 12hrs 41mins 45secs.)

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clever:

its also taking over 30 seconds for the drive to spin down(when power is cut)

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juski:

I still can't believe anybody over the age of 7 tells their age with such detail

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|Torg|:

15K drive?

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juski:

unless it's a miracle you're still alive of course ;)

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clever:

lol

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clever:

|Torg|?

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clever:

drive is 60gig

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juski:

hey I've clocked up another minute alive!

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|Torg|:

spindle speed

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clever:

ahhh

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** clever looks **

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|Torg|:

all drives whine, mostly of what you hear however are fans not drives

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|Torg|:

I asked how old you were to determine if you were hearing higher pitched noice you loose as you age

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

but this is sitting on a desk running

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clever:

and i dont think it normaly made this much noise

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juski:

to get a better idea, get a non-magnetic pointy thing, preferably one with a large surface area at one end. put the pointy end on the case of the drive & rest your ear on the large end

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clever:

|Torg|: i can still hear the high freq of the power suplys in the TV's

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clever:

some tv's more then others

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juski:

careful not to slip or it's DIY labotomy time

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|Torg|:

I can still hear the florecent light bulbs too

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|Torg|:

its why I asked

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clever:

lol:)

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clever:

atm theres 2 desktops(with several fans each) in this room so its drowning out some of the higher freq's

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juski:

|Torg|: you've not been near much really loud music in your life have you? ;)

[16:21:48]

|Torg|:

some people find it irritating (hence the fanless htpc cases), personally I htink its silly

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juski:

my hearing is only good to about 15k these days, if that

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** clever looks for a mic **

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|Torg|:

no juski just rifles with no hearing protection :P

[16:22:32]

|Torg|:

you dont exactly wear earplugs in combat you know

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juski:

well, I worked in a 110dBa environment for 4 to 6 hours a night, up to 6 nights a week for about 9 years

[16:23:29]

juski:

so no wonder my herring is a tad dull

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janneg:

jippieh, AMD will open graphic card specs for FOSS drivers http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/

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** clever trys to record the hdd **

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juski:

btw |Torg| I discovered a really weird regex problem with the postcode lookup script. A code like BS1 was being found *twice*, once where it should have been found and once where it most definitely wasn't!

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|Torg|:

I figure you wil find allot of those juski

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|Torg|:

build it first, then try to break it :)

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juski:

I worked around it by stripping out non-printable chars from the postcode string & pulling that into an array using | as a separator – THEN I look for the postcode in that lot ;)

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|Torg|:

thats mostly what real beta testing is, not just using it, but doing things that are intentioanly stupid

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clever:

|Torg|: uploading .wav

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Dagmar:

janneg: Did you actually read that?

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|Torg|:

yes juski I was going to tell you about chomp but forgot to

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juski:

I mean I'd have understood BS1 also finding BS10, BS11 etc

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Dagmar:

janneg: Basically, we're still getting ignored.

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regebro:

Hello all. I'm using Mythtv since a couple of months, and are getting to like it after some configuration tweaking. :-) However, there is one major annoyance left:

[16:26:27]

regebro:

It's so damn slow.

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Dagmar:

janneg: They're releasing enough info to make a driver, but not opening anything but the specs.

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juski:

maybe it had to do with the length of string |Torg| – not just the fact it had newlines in it cos I was already stripping them

[16:26:47]

juski:

regebro: not slow here on my ancient 800mhz athlon with 512MB RAM :)

[16:26:53]

Dagmar:

janneg: Which means in another 2–3 years there might be a 3D driver, but in that respect we already have functional 2D drivers for those cards.

[16:26:55]

regebro:

It's starting, and loading submodules, and also displaying video and music lists.

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|Torg|:

yu used forcearry on them, right?

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regebro:

juski: That's good to hear.

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juski:

|Torg|: can't remember now lol

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|Torg|:

use forcearray on the postcodes and put them into disffernt elements

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regebro:

I don't see a reason why it should be so slow (the less good SW alternatives are not) so I suspect a configuration problem.

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|Torg|:

how you can stop users from putting in incorrect code I dunno

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regebro:

Primarily with the mysql.

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|Torg|:

is a postcode always the same size? like our 5 digit and 4 digit sometimes extensions?

[16:28:15]

juski:

regebro: things which can cause slowness are doing a lot of processing (commflagging/ transcoding), lack of RAM, not having correct video card drivers

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regebro:

Could anybody offer me hints or pointers on how to speed stuff up? (I'm using ubuntu on AMD64)

[16:28:32]

janneg:

Dagmar: yes, but you might read the comments. And yes, it will take to write drivers but anyone who wants to work on th driver can now

[16:28:50]

juski:

|Torg|: postcodes are variable length. I'll just spit out "ESTUPIDUSER! Postcode not valid" if I don't recognise a code

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regebro:

juski: well, I have 2GB of arm on an AMD 64. transcoding and actually showing the videos are not slow.

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|Torg|:

so if my postcode as EC4R 9AN, would I put in EC4R?

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regebro:

Just the menu stuff.

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juski:

|Torg|: no matter. I split it at the space

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|Torg|:

can I abrevaite that, say EC4R-9AN

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clever:

|Torg|: allmost got it

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|Torg|:

its things liek that to remober

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juski:

|Torg|: ok I might split it at a non-alphanumeric then

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juski:

or if it contains non-alpha, yell at the user again ;)

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|Torg|:

is a us phone mumber (123)456–7890, 123-456–7890, or 123.456.7890, or even 1234567890

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|Torg|:

count on users putting in input you never even thoght of

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juski:

yeah well if you know what you're looking for it's easy to do a regex to strip chars you don't want

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|Torg|:

belive me, they will :)

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clever:

|Torg|: break the phone number up in the form:P

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juski:

maybe I can con some into putting their bank account number & sort code in too :P

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|Torg|:

well need the pin numbers

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clever:

(<input type=text name=area>)-<input size=3>-<input size=4>

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|Torg|:

for "extra" security

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Kazan:

anyone know why mythfilldatabase won't run automatically for me anymore since i upgraded from .20-fixes to trunk

[16:31:44]

clever:

that should force them to input just the numbers without formating

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juski:

clever: it's so easy to strip non-numeric chars it's not worth the effort

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clever:

|Torg|: http://clever.mine.nu/download/hdd.wav is the sound of my hdd starting

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|Torg|:

clever this is for a perl frontend juski is making, that I have been annoying.....er helping him with

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|Torg|:

im not entirely certain im helping tho :(

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clever:

lol

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clever:

stop buging him and listen to my .wav:P

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juski:

it might not even end up this way anyway- I might be able to find a cheap host with mysql & php

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|Torg|:

then yuou have to host it, I thoguth the idea was somehting to go with xmltv?

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|Torg|:

altho I would prefer a php frontend myself (well if I used it that is)

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juski:

knowledgejunkie likes the idea & has said he'd consider extending the uk grabber to do this too

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juski:

I've done most of the heavy lifting now – i.e. data input

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|Torg|:

thats usually the most diffcult part, esp when they change so often

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juski:

I only found out this week that the radiotimes.com site we use provides channel numbers the grabber doesn't use

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|Torg|:

need or use?

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juski:

but not every Uk channel is featured in their lineup

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juski:

|Torg|: use. it can't use it cos it doesn't know anything about packages

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** |Torg| wonders if you can host this on SD and go for the $15 too **

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juski:

if I was to go for any money I'd want it all for myself. muhahahahaha

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clever:

i recently noticed 2 channel 17's in my mythtv listings

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Dagmar:

Oh, as to what one can do with 1,500 pounds of hydrogen peroxide that I was going on about earlier

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Dagmar:

I think maybe they were just looking to make all of Germany blonde and aryan

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juski:

|Torg|: put it this way, with this in place, fully working & up to date – we UK guys in IRC & on forums will have to do less hair pulling :D

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Dagmar:

Well, aryan-looking anyway

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regebro:

I have 3385 songs in my music archive. Entering "Music" in the menu takes about 30 seconds first time after I start MythTV, and five seconds the second time. Is that normal?

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Dagmar:

regebro: Probably

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|Torg|:

juski I sorta figured that was the case

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juski:

30 seconds is much shorter than it used to be :)

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Dagmar:

clever: That drive is not long for this earth

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regebro:

Dagmar: Dang. That's really annoyingly slow.

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juski:

time flies when you're having fun

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clever:

Dagmar: on its way out?

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|Torg|:

Dagmar did you get that wave file, its still downlaoding for me

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juski:

regebro: so you know what you can do then

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regebro:

juski: No, not really.

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juski:

you have 3 choices: 1. put up with it. 2. improve the code. 3. use something else

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: I heard enough of it

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Dagmar:

ragebro: ADD MOAR RAMS

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|Torg|:

Dagmar is right, its going out

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juski:

regebro: you could just use a dumb file-browser based player

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Dagmar:

MySQL needs many rams

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|Torg|:

ewes too :P

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Dagmar:

Damn I bi-capitalized correctly.

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juski:

oh yeah – actually if you don't want/need all the metadata, you can just tell mythmusic to ignore it IIRC. much fasterer

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regebro:

Dagmar: really? 2GB is not enough?

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Dagmar:

Apparently not

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Dagmar:

Not the way you've configured it at any rate

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regebro:

juski: Yeah, but it's kinda tricky to make work with a remote, and it has to b easy so my GF can use it...

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|Torg|:

Dagmar sint saying you cant build a box for 2G or that 2G isnt enough hes saying you are runing out of memory

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|Torg|:

specificllay YOU need more

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|Torg|:

if you had a TB of ram you are stil indicating you need more

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: No, *I* can just fine. He, on the other hand...

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|Torg|:

yes Dagmar thats what I was talking about

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regebro:

Dagmar: "Apparently"? Why apparently not?

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Dagmar:

ragebro: Becuase you're complaining it's slow

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juski:

bah it seems only mythvideo can ignore metadata

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Dagmar:

...and I know several ways to get around that sort of issue.

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regebro:

Dagmar: Yeah, but how do you know that is lack of RAM?

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Dagmar:

Because it usually is

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regebro:

Dagmar: OK, fair enough. Quick question: How much RAM are other people here using with MythTV?

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Dagmar:

The vast majority of the time when someone's MySQL is slow, it's because they expect it to somehow miraculously race through 30Gb of data in a half second

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Dagmar:

regebro: Don't know. Not concerned either.

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clever:

i actualy have several gig of data in mysql(but its mostly non mythtv stuff)

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clever:

onlu 97mb is in the mythtv database

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Dagmar:

ragebro: Don't complain your MySQL performance sucks if you didn't put any effort into configuring it thoroughly.

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clever:

i boosted my performance just by tweaking and editing querys to work better

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Dagmar:

How long do ya think it takes to read the information from all 3,300+ songs off the disk?

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Dagmar:

I'm thinkin' it takes about 30 seconds.

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clever:

ive had over 20000 entrys in the mythmusic data

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clever:

because some dumb code added the folder of 20000 JPG's to it.....

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clever:

why even log jpg's to the music table

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Dagmar:

Keep your porn and your mp3's in separate directories.

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clever:

lol

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clever:

there images of numbers

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regebro:

Well, my mythconverg db is a whopping 2 megabytes big. I think the 2GB of memory should do just fine. I don't think it's memory size at all.

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Dagmar:

Numbers like 36, 24, 36.

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clever:

trying to work out the math behind a captca program

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clever:

images of numbers that a ocr program shouldnt be able to read

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clever:

to confirm its a person

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Dagmar:

regebro; Your problem is still that you don't know how to tune a database

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Dagmar:

It's not a MythTV problem.

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regebro:

Dagmar: I didn't complain about mysql performance. I asked about mythtv performance and if I can improve it.

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regebro:

I said I *suspected* mysql. But I don't know.

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clever:

i 'fixed' my problem with the images by tweaking things with chmod till mythtv couldnt see those images

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regebro:

And you are being very rude and utterly unhelpful.

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Dagmar:

You got any other logical suspicions as to why it would be able to do it quickly on the n>1 attempts?

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Dagmar:

I'm not being "unhelpful". I'm "not doing your MySQL legwork"

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clever:

caching would speed up the next querry

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clever:

mysql caches querys

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Dagmar:

Hell, Linux caches filesystem accesss

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clever:

and linux caches the raw db files in ram

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Dagmar:

...and NEITHER of these things are in play when you first fire up the DB.

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regebro:

Dagmar: You are being unhelpful and rude. If you want to help, you are welcome to, If not, the please don't answer me.

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clever:

yeah

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Dagmar:

You are being whiny.

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regebro:

/ignore Dagmar

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Dagmar:

Like you actually own all 3,000 of those anyway

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Kazan:

how good is the internel dvd player on trunk?

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clever:

several gig of my music came from a hdd i baught that wasnt as empty as we expected it to be

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Kazan:

playing dvd's in xine keeps locking up now

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** juski parses sky.xml successfully :) **

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Dagmar:

clever: Sweet!

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clever:

it had 20gig of some1's data on it

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clever:

family pics

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clever:

music

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clever:

games

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** juski gives clever's IP address to the RIAA **

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clever:

home videos

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Dagmar:

clever: I once got a copy of Little Computer People in a box of "blank" 5.25" floppies

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clever:

lol

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Dagmar:

WooOoOooo "home videos"

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clever:

yeah the drive had home videos also:P

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|Torg|:

regebro how much memory is in your box? how fast is the disk? on what paritiotn is your database?

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juski:

I have a video8 tape somewhere which features a 'home video' :-\

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|Torg|:

if you want to to go faster go look up those things and how you make mysql work faster

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clever:

not those kinds of home vids:P

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juski:

or did I throw all the tapes out incase it was one of them? can't remember now

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clever:

my drives seem to read at about 4mb/sec(checked with dd)

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** Kazan grumbles and wonders where the heck the documentation for recording grops is **

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Kazan:

groups*

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** juski grumbles http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Storage_Groups towards Kazan **

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Kazan:

not storage groups

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Kazan:

recording groups

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Dagmar:

Oh THOSE

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Dagmar:

Those are supposed to remain a mystery

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juski:

bit of a doddle

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clever:

lol

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Dagmar:

I've got 'em named after shows, after genres, after whether or not I want commercials skipped...\

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Dagmar:

You can use them for anything.

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Dagmar:

They are equally useless, no matter what you do.

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Kazan:

is there a way to manage them in mythweb?

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juski:

not until we get your patch

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Kazan:

juski: don't count on it

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** Kazan will just manip the db :P **

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Dagmar:

Kazan: nope

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juski:

Kazan: good luck with that. hope you backed up the database before you.. ah oh dear

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Kazan:

take me way less time to write SQL queries than to mess with the code

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Kazan:

lol juski i've munged with my db manually a hundred times if once

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Kazan:

never mangled it

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juski:

difference being, only you benefit if you don't mess with the code :-\

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|Torg|:

regebro sorry I was on the phone, how fast did you get off that drive?

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Kazan:

i have enough code commitments already juski

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SiD3WiNDR:

we don't want commitments!

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juski:

wtf is this doing in keys.txt ffs? "Recording Groups allow you to separate programs into user-defined

[17:00:02]

SiD3WiNDR:

we want commits!

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juski:

categories, such as "Kids", "Alice", "Bob", etc. This can be used to reduce

[17:00:06]

juski:

clutter, or to segregate content if you use the PIN function.

[17:00:09]

juski:

"

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regebro:

|Torg|: I don't understand your question. However, I by "mistake" discovered something interesting. :-)

[17:00:27]

regebro:

Mythtv is MUCH faster when you run on smaller resolutions. :-)

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|Torg|:

I see now 4mb/sec, is that correct?

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** Kazan grumbles about the lack of foreign keys **

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|Torg|:

this is a local drive, not a samba share, right?

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regebro:

|Torg|: Are you talking to me? yes, it's a local drive.

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|Torg|:

you do realise that is slow, VERY slow

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|Torg|:

like broken hardware slow, right?

[17:02:57]

|Torg|:

hell a samba share is faster then that

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Dagmar:

Samba operates at wire speed if your hardware doesn't suck

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juski:

we got a wiki page for recording groups now

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|Torg|:

a local dirve should be in the 30's preferably high 30's, 15K drive you can get into the 50's

[17:03:26]

Dagmar:

...and provided you're actually serving the files with Samba

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regebro:

I'm just wondering if you are talking to me, because I never said 4mb/sec....

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|Torg|:

sorry it was clever

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|Torg|:

like I said I was on the phone :)

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regebro:

OK, no pb. :-)

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clever:

lol

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clever:

|Torg|: i did dd if=/dev/hdXY of=/dev/null

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clever:

while mysql and a couple other things where using the drives

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|Torg|:

ok to give you an idea of how slow that is I have a 10 year old (at least) 20G ide drive as my root, it gets 18M/s

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clever:

lol

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clever:

i got that speed when measuring several drives seperately

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|Torg|:

I have a newer IDE drive that consistantly reached 30M/sec

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|Torg|:

and two SATA2 drives that reach 42M/sec

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clever:

no sata here:(

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|Torg|:

at 5M/sec im sharing smb over 100fdx

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|Torg|:

4M/sec is bad, VERY bad

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|Torg|:

your running out of ram, running ouut of cpu, or have your bus misconfigureed

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clever:

i should probly fix it:P

[17:07:53]

clever:

512mb ram 1.6ghz cpu

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|Torg|:

if thats the drive you made a recording of, back it up now

[17:08:01]

clever:

bios got reset to defaults at the last power outage

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clever:

the drive i recorded i havent actualy connected to a pc in a few months

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|Torg|:

at 4M/sec your not performace tunign any more

[17:08:33]

|Torg|:

thats performance fixing

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clever:

lol

[17:08:52]

clever:

i know its failing so im trying to reduce any further damage by leaving it off

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regebro:

Aha. Problem resolved. I switched the computer from 1680x1050 to 960x600, and hey presto, it takes 2 seconds instead of 30.

[17:08:59]

|Torg|:

oh and dd really isnt a good tool to test with

[17:09:01]

clever:

until i have room to make a full backup of the whole thing at once

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SiD3WiNDR:

|Torg|: I'd try hdparm -d1u1c1 /dev/hdX first before binning the drive :P

[17:09:19]

clever:

|Torg|: what should i test it with?

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clever:

(i didnt show the options i gave to make it read just 800mb)

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|Torg|:

there are many tools to use sandra being one of them

[17:10:04]

clever:

yeah and some of them work on a filesystem

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clever:

which is on lvm

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SiD3WiNDR:

sandra has a linux version?!

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clever:

which is on several drives

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clever:

i was measuring to see which drive was fastest so i could shift the mythtv lv's to it

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|Torg|:

he said he was runing XP

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SiD3WiNDR:

how do you run dd under xp then :] (if it was dd under cygwin that would indeed be a REAL bad idea)

[17:11:51]

clever:

this was dd under ubuntu:P

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juski:

here ya go.. much more wordy wordy: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_groups

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|Torg|:

I figured it was cygwin or sometihng, yes SiD3WiNDR

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clever:

testing the main SG with bonnie++

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|Torg|:

I use iozone, but thats becase I do most of the performce testing on solaris

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clever:

oops forgot to stop playing tv back on the fe:P

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Dagmar:

clever: You have a scraping thing going on in that drive man

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clever:

yeah i thought so

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clever:

but aslong as i leave it fully off it shouldnt get worse

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clever:

so i can just store it like it is until i have room to backup the entire thing at once

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Kazan:

is there a way to make the recorded programs broswer group by record group

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Kazan:

ie there would be "all programs" then "derek's recordings", "blair's recordings", "shared", etc

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juski:

Kazan: yeah press Menu in 'watch recordings'

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juski:

change group view, then select 'show recording groups only' in 'group view'

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Kazan:

juski: it's not integrated into the "Tree" system? meh

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Kazan:

ah it is

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Kazan:

found it :D

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juski:

you have a choice of many different views there

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Kazan:

hmm no "Show recording groups only" in "group view"

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juski:

jees man aren't there enough options there already? pfft

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Kazan:

heh

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Kazan:

it would be nice to be able to have it tree through group, then title

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Kazan:

SELECT count(*),recgroup FROM record GROUP BY recgroup -> (15, Blair's), (8, Derek's), (5, Shared), (1, Specials)

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Kazan:

i think my WAF must be high :P

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Kazan:

problem... HD playback "breaths" like a game does (when the game run short on texture memory)

[18:01:30]

Kazan:

mostly when there is a large difference between frame A and frame B... but CPU doesn't spike on top above 60%

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orko_:

Hi. i use debian-multimedia.org's mythtv. can i use the build in dvd player with this? and how?

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juski:

you need mythdvd installed if you use 0.20.2 or 0.20-fixes IIRC

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orko_:

i have. but i had configured to use xine. i found it on the wiki that i have to use "Internal" as player

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Cry_wolf2:

have to ?

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juski:

if you want mythtv to play DVDs yeah

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juski:

nice of orko to thank folks for trying to help him

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Cry_wolf2:

Yes very nice

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Dagmar:

Hey, he wasn't calling anyone names, and that constitutes as a win in my book

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juski:

pfft

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tcpsyn:

Gentlemen.

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aliljet2:

Ladies.

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tcpsyn:

ladies.

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aliljet2:

ack.

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aliljet2:

haha

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tcpsyn:

err

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tcpsyn:

Can I transcode an HD recording so it uses MP3 audio instead of AC3?

[18:39:27]

tcpsyn:

I'm trying to playback hd on my ps3

[18:39:33]

tcpsyn:

and it doesn't like the audio channel.

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tcpsyn:

If I could auto transcode the HD recordings, it still wouldn't be ideal, but it'd work.

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tcpsyn:

http://www.myhdbox.com/mythtips/2006/05/tip-4 . . . for-hdtv.php

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tcpsyn:

does that look like something I might want to look into?

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Dagmar:

Fskcing ANYTHING that isn't written in crayon can potentially help with the morass that is transcoding

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tcpsyn:

Dagmar, I don't want to touch the video.. just the audio

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Dagmar:

Trust me.

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Dagmar:

THere is almost *never* such a thing as a "simple" transcode

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** Kazan has a rule about transcoding **

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Kazan:

Don't

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tcpsyn:

damnit.

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Dagmar:

heh

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tcpsyn:

can you think of any other way to get the audio to the ps3?

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Kazan:

don't

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Kazan:

i have a better question

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Kazan:

why did you waste the money on a PS3 when you could have built a killer frontend

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Kazan:

i doubt the ps3 has the decoding power to do HD though anyway

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Kazan:

apparently the cell processors cannot be accessed by ps3-linux right now

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tcpsyn:

kazan, the video plays fine. just no audio

[18:51:12]

tcpsyn:

kazan, and because I already have a killer frontend.

[18:51:30]

Kazan:

why doesn't whatever ps3-linux you're using support ac3?

[18:51:44]

tcpsyn:

kazan, I'm not using ps3-linux, I'm just using gameos and myths upnp server.

[18:51:59]

tcpsyn:

all the sd recordings are fine

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tcpsyn:

and the hd ones play, but with no sound.

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Kazan:

hmm

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Kazan:

dunno

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tcpsyn:

I tried using mediatomb as a upnp server too.

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Kazan:

stupid kitten... started chewing on my arrow knocks

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tcpsyn:

it may be a dlna thing

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juski:

tcpsyn: ffmpeg -i $somefile -vcodec copy -acodec $codec -b $bitrate $outputfile ... ish ;)

[18:59:21]

tcpsyn:

During our video tests, we confirmed that as Sony stated, the PS3 can't play AC3 in TS files, so you won't be hearing any audio from these captures.

[19:00:33]

juski:

if some brave soul was to start working on the almighty automagical 'transcode a recording to a device's target format on the fly' whizz-bang doodah... ;)

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quink:

hey. anyone here on mythtv + gentoo?

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juski:

though it's easier said than done since it'll need extensions to the mythtv protocol, among a myriad of other stuff

[19:01:18]

tcpsyn:

juski, what codec should I use?

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juski:

tcpsyn: mpeg2? mp3? whatever works I guess

[19:01:39]

tcpsyn:

Stream #0.1[0x801]: Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 5 channels, 384 kb/s

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tcpsyn:

so that's whats I gots.

[19:02:26]

tcpsyn:

hrm.

[19:02:29]

tcpsyn:

looks promissing.

[19:02:39]

juski:

thing is though, the audio might end up out of sync so the transcode job would have to entail demuxing the audio from the video first, then turn the audio into another stream, then remux the new audio with the old video

[19:02:53]

juski:

you might be lucky & not have to do that thoguh

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tcpsyn:

jesus christ.

[19:03:30]

juski:

cost you nothing but time to try the 1st way

[19:04:00]

tcpsyn:

it'd be nice if I could just set it to record mp3 sound in the recording profile, like the mpeg-2 decoders.

[19:04:02]

juski:

if VLC

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tcpsyn:

lots of buffer underflows.

[19:04:13]

juski:

duh if VLC can do it, chances are ffmpeg will do it well too

[19:07:23]

tcpsyn:

if this works, I'mma have to use another machine to do the transcoding.

[19:07:32]

tcpsyn:

p4 1.4 gig isn't gonna cut it

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jblack:

juski: Hmmmm.

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jblack:

re: automagical transcoding and changes to the protocol.

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jblack:

Do you think providing a set of premade user jobs may do the trick?

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tcpsyn:

I'd assume a ton of people are going to try doing this.

[19:10:06]

tcpsyn:

if this works, I'mma have to use another machine to do the transcoding.The process of converting a MPEG-2 TS file into a MPEG2-PS file is quite easy, fast and lossless.

[19:10:08]

jblack:

"oh, you want to dump onto the ipod? Turn on the ipod script in settings for the shows you want

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tcpsyn:

converting mpeg-2 ts to mpeg2-ps

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jblack:

tcp:Speaking of which, I take it you already know about user jobs, and are just having trouble with the transcoding, right?

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tcpsyn:

jblack, yeah.

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tcpsyn:

looks like ts2ps is what I want

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jblack:

I feel your pain then. I can't get audio working on my ipaq.

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tcpsyn:

why is myth making .pngs of every recording, after I've turned that off in mythfrontend?

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GreyFoxx:

Ever use mythweb to view your list of recordings ?

[19:18:20]

tcpsyn:

not lately.

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tcpsyn:

but yes, I have.

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tcpsyn:

does it cron png generation?

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GreyFoxx:

When you load the page if mythweb doesn't have a copy of the png it will tell the backend to make one and then transmit it to mythweb for display

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GreyFoxx:

but that is only done if you view that page in mythweb

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tcpsyn:

anyone have experince with replex?

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tcpsyn:

set output type (string = MPEG2, DVD, HDTV)

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tcpsyn:

It doesn't explain the difference between the 3

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mattwj2005:

hey everyone

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mattwj2005:

anyone have a favorite Nvidia Dual graphics card that is cheap?

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mattwj2005:

*dual head

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mattwj2005:

PCI-E

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tcpsyn:

I use the geforce 6200 just fine

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mattwj2005:

hmmm

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mattwj2005:

let me take a look thanks tcpsyn ... your message came through error free :P

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Cry_wolf2:

7600GS works for me

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mattwj2005:

yeah I have an ATI Radeon

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mattwj2005:

it would work fine but the the driver has a bug in when it comes to overlays

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mattwj2005:

so it isn't helping much with HDTV decoding

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mattwj2005:

using a lot of CPU cycles

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Cry_wolf2:

amd/ati are relaseing a new driver..check digg

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mattwj2005:

:)

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mattwj2005:

cool

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mattwj2005:

hopefully this bug will be fixed...it is a bit of an odd ball card

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mattwj2005:

X1050

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Homan:

hello all

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Homan:

question regarding if anyone has had success with the motorola dct-2224 and mythtv via a usb2serial

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mattwj2005:

hey homan

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Homan:

hi matt

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mattwj2005:

I am no help my friend

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mattwj2005:

these guys might now though :)

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Homan:

lets hope, thanks

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niter3:

What the heck does this mean? "We hope to lower the price by the end of the term, so recurring subscriptions are not yet offered." After 3 months I cannot get any more guide info??

[20:04:17]

fryfrog:

niter3:

[20:04:31]

fryfrog:

er, no, it means "hey, in 3 months we fully expect the price to go down"

[20:05:02]

tank-man:

i think it means after 3 mo you have to manualy renew

[20:05:15]

fryfrog:

yar, and hopefully pay less

[20:05:21]

tank-man:

no auto cause they dont know whts going to happen (?)

[20:05:24]

fryfrog:

and in theory, at that time they make it a yearly thing

[20:05:34]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh nifty, -vid got merged back into head

[20:05:49]

fryfrog:

vid was the multi-plex thing?

[20:05:57]

GreyFoxx:

no multirec is that

[20:06:06]

fryfrog:

what was vid?

[20:06:11]

GreyFoxx:

-vid is a lot of rewriting of the video renderers and such

[20:06:13]

fryfrog:

a new/better video player?

[20:06:14]

fryfrog:

ahhh

[20:06:23]

GreyFoxx:

adds an OpenGL renderer and a lot of other stuff

[20:06:25]

fryfrog:

thats prolly nicer for me :)

[20:06:40]

Homan:

anyone successfully hooked up a motorola dct-2224 to myth with a serial cable?

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GreyFoxx:

God watching people whine and bitch on the -users list just because noone is jumping up to their side

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** GreyFoxx thinks it's finally time to drop that mailing list from his stack of mail **

[20:09:17]

fryfrog:

Homan: what is wrong with firewire?

[20:09:31]

Homan:

my box doesn't support it or I would

[20:09:40]

Homan:

the dct-2224 is the only one available

[20:09:54]

Homan:

it only has s-video and composite

[20:10:23]

fryfrog:

oh, no firewire port at all?

[20:10:42]

fryfrog:

the name made it sounds like the motorola dvr / tuners i've seen

[20:10:57]

Homan:

nothing unfortunately, its not the dvr model, just a digital set top box

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

svideo isn't terrible, for non-hd

[20:11:20]

Homan:

it does have a serial port, but so far no luck

[20:11:42]

Homan:

I got the inputs and everything working, just need to handle changing the channels

[20:12:00]

GreyFoxx:

Homan: they have to specifically enable that

[20:12:09]

GreyFoxx:

some do by default, some turn it off by default

[20:12:17]

Homan:

my cable company cannot even tell me if the port is enabled, but I got a ticket in to the support for them to call me back

[20:12:28]

GreyFoxx:

Call and say you want to use it with a tivo and they might turn it on

[20:12:37]

Homan:

GreyFox: do you know how to check

[20:12:39]

fryfrog:

that is a good idea

[20:13:22]

Homan:

the installer was able to get into the box programming when he installed it by pressing some combination on the remote, but I cannot find that anywhere on the web

[20:14:03]

GreyFoxx:

Homan: Back when I had one, when I connected I could just send commands and I would get codes back whichmeant successfull or not

[20:14:05]

fryfrog:

try for other dct models, i bet it is the same

[20:14:12]

GreyFoxx:

that's about all I cuold do to check

[20:14:29]

jblack:

Is there a way to set mythfrontend to act as a conventional window, so that it's resizable by the user by dragging the borders?

[20:14:34]

GreyFoxx:

usually it's on/off at the cable headend end of things, not a setting you can tweak

[20:14:38]

GreyFoxx:

jblack: no

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Homan:

how do you send the commands, I put some print statements into the python channel change script, but they are not helpful

[20:14:53]

GreyFoxx:

jblack: It's not supported so it would require some code changes

[20:14:58]

jblack:

ok. thanks

[20:15:23]

GreyFoxx:

Homan: I use to use minicom sa a test, later I had a perl script but I've not had that for years

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GreyFoxx:

there is likely something in the myth contrib directories

[20:15:34]

jblack:

I imagine that it would be a pain to fix, due to the prescaling of everything

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jblack:

"fix" in a loose sense, as it's not a bug

[20:16:05]

Homan:

thats where I got the channel change script, but there is no debug mode, they expilictly took it out as noted in the changelog

[20:16:39]

GreyFoxx:

Homan: You can always edit the script ?

[20:17:27]

Homan:

I've been playing with it, but not real strong on what its doing and what the best way to send serial commands are

[20:17:43]

Homan:

never really programmed anything to send over serial

[20:17:49]

Homan:

but thanks

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mattwj2005:

man I am amazed

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Homan:

at what??

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mattwj2005:

AGP graphic cards and IDE hard drives have really been phased out all ready

[20:28:40]

mattwj2005:

at least on newegg

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Homan:

sure have, and yet ps2 is still around

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mattwj2005:

lol

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mattwj2005:

good point....good ole 1980s technology :P

[20:29:47]

mattwj2005:

it works though and works well

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Homan:

hell, the last mobo I worked on in a dell had no ide on it so you could not add even a cd-rom unless it was SATA

[20:30:06]

mattwj2005:

yup

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Dagmar:

'cuz every time someone starts to say "The PS2 is obsol..." someone comes out with something like God Of War II for it

[20:30:08]

tomb0y:

*cough* usb

[20:30:23]

Homan:

wrong ps2, but still a good reference

[20:30:31]

Homan:

P/S2

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Homan:

P/S 2

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juski:

pusstoo ?

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Dagmar:

Oh someone should cite people still powering PS/2's for polluting the environment

[20:30:49]

mattwj2005:

and we are not talking about Playstation 2 :P

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juski:

does it play doovde ?

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Homan:

PS/2 is correct

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juski:

is it ready for da hood?

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Homan:

sorry bout the wrong syntax

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juski:

bah I'm gonna miss the new series of fonejacker while I'm away

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juski:

oh wait :D

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mattwj2005:

VGA monitor connectors hung on for a lot time too

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mattwj2005:

now we have DVI of course

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** juski watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjH9cEoEup8 again **

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Homan:

but that will be gone once display port is released

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Homan:

all the damn copy protection bastards

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mattwj2005:

geez juski what time is it?

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mattwj2005:

don't you work tomorrow?

[20:33:19]

juski:

it's time for house?

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juski:

it's 21:33 here man

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mattwj2005:

oh ok

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juski:

and no I'm not at work tomorrow :D

[20:34:00]

mattwj2005:

lucky guy

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mattwj2005:

I have had a week off and I go back to work tomorrow :(

[20:34:23]

juski:

off work til the 17th. going somewhere sunny on friday morning

[20:34:47]

mattwj2005:

man you Europeans....you get a ton of vacation time :)

[20:35:08]

juski:

after that I still have 14 days left not counting the 3 the company takes between xmas and new year

[20:35:17]

mattwj2005:

geez

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juski:

all paid too :D

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mattwj2005:

sweet dude

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juski:

so the job sucks but hey

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mattwj2005:

I am coming to Sweden next year sometime

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mattwj2005:

good ole Stockholm

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juski:

never been to sweden

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juski:

actually not been to any of Europe that far north

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mattwj2005:

yeah I know someone from work

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Homan:

GreyFoxx: found a C script in there as well and got it setup and this is the response:

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Homan:

Attempting to initialize DCT

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mattwj2005:

sounds cool I can't wait to check it out

[20:36:54]

Homan:

SENT: type 0x70, len 2, id 0x04, seq 0x03

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juski:

Iceland is cool, I hear – but majorly expensive

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Homan:

Serial timeout

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Homan:

looks like it is disabled, thanks for your help

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mattwj2005:

yeah I hear Sweden is pretty expensive too

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Dagmar:

clever's hdd.wav makes an awesome startup chime for my laptop

[20:37:57]

Dagmar:

It's the exact sort of sound you never want to hear coming out of a notebook

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clever:

lol

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juski:

titter

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clever:

that was a desktop drive:P

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Dagmar:

I already had one guy at the coffee house nearly fall over himself because of it

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Dagmar:

Out of a laptop that sound at that volume is wrong, wrong, wrong

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Homan:

anyone recording HDTV and using XvMC for playback?

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Dagmar:

Everyone without a 4Ghz CPU

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Homan:

haha, ok, well do you have any issues with it no enabling itself on some recording

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Dagmar:

It will only work for MPEG

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Dagmar:

x264 is right out

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juski:

will only work for mpeg2

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Homan:

ahh, so if I transcode then it breaks it

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Dagmar:

Ayup

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Homan:

can you transcode it and keep it mpeg2

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Dagmar:

You can set UseEvents with newer cards and the XvMC gets better

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juski:

nup

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Homan:

already got that enabled

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juski:

lossless transcode is broken for HDTV still

[20:44:44]

Homan:

I've added every tweak and now it runs rather well

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** juski is not yet ready for de hood **

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Homan:

well if I lose a little quality, its not the end of the world

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juski:

oh god. now I'm being shouted at cos I've not started packing yet

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Homan:

can I transcode to keep the filesize small and still keep it an mpeg2

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juski:

we don't fly for 28 hours ffs

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Homan:

haha juski

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Dagmar:

I use the velcro method

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juski:

Homan: not worth the effort

[20:46:22]

Dagmar:

I get up, and everything I touch goes into the bag.

[20:46:44]

Homan:

so just get a larger hard drive then right

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juski:

shorts, flipflops.. suntan oily stuff, toothbrush. I'm there

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juski:

Homan: or watch more & keep less

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juski:

I used to delete about 300GB a month

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Homan:

I'll have to try that

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juski:

or watch more at 1.5x :D

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juski:

3 timestretchy

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juski:

<3 even

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Dagmar:

All press conferences should be watched at 75% speed

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juski:

and Top Gear stunts at 50% speed

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Dagmar:

It makes most people sound very, very stoned.

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juski:

anybody ever thought of having a slo-mo key binding for playback?

[20:50:09]

juski:

I could see sports fans digging that

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Homan:

I have

[20:50:31]

juski:

like one keypress instead of er.. 5 or so

[20:50:37]

Homan:

there is a key binding for slow playback, I've used that before

[20:50:55]

juski:

actually I have too few buttons on my remote as it is

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juski:

Homan: there's a 'toggle timestretch' key I know of

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juski:

normally bound to 'a' I think

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juski:

I meant like a keypress to jump into 0.25x playback or something

[20:52:07]

juski:

maybe I could add that to my list of things to look at

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Dagmar:

I don't think the audio scaler will go that low gracefully

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juski:

and change the minimum timestretch to lower than 0.5 – but audio will be awful lower, so mute it below 0.5x

[20:52:48]

juski:

or don't stretch the audio :D

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Ryushin:

Is the new mythtv-vid branch that just got merged into head much more processor intensive then without the mythtv-vid branch?

[20:59:04]

juski:

it's a merge of the branch

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Ryushin:

I can play HD fine right now running about 80% CPU on one of my 2.2 ghz cores.

[20:59:37]

juski:

I can't imagine it taking more CPU – that'd defeat the object wouldn't it

[20:59:38]

Ryushin:

I'm concerned that if I upgrade SVN right now I won't have enough horsepower anymore.

[21:00:06]

Ryushin:

Well, there was just a post in the dev mailing list that caused me concern.

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juski:

back up the db, upgrade, then try it ASAP. if bad, downgrade again & use the backup db

[21:00:11]

Homan:

I just heard a funny response from my cable company regarding the serial port on a dct-2224, they say it doesn't hook up to anything even though motorola tells me it does, its rather funny

[21:00:25]

Homan:

it just needs enabled I'm sure

[21:00:27]

Ryushin:

In a couple of months, I may have the opportunity to upgrade to a

[21:00:27]

Ryushin:

core2 processor on my frontend. In your opinion, would a 3.0GHz dual

[21:00:27]

Ryushin:

core or a 2.4GHz quad core be more beneficial with these new output

[21:00:27]

Ryushin:

methods?

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mattwj2005:

mythtv works great for me....if I had a descent graphic card drivers

[21:00:35]

mattwj2005:

dual cores help a lot :)

[21:00:54]

juski:

mythtv doesn't have multithreaded playback yet though does it?

[21:00:56]

fryfrog:

for the same *price* i'd prolly go quad core for the zomg

[21:01:03]

Homan:

I have a 2.226, one of the old p4's at 533 fsb and it plays HD fine wiht XvMC

[21:01:06]

fryfrog:

but if quad is more spensive than dual, i'd go dual

[21:01:09]

Ryushin:

My combo frontend/backend has a 2.2 ghz X2, and my dedicated frontend has a 2.0 X2.

[21:01:10]

mattwj2005:

heck windows applications using wine run faster than in Windows

[21:01:14]

fryfrog:

i mean, my single 3200+ frontend does fine

[21:01:15]

Homan:

stutters just a little when OSD is on

[21:01:26]

fryfrog:

and my dual 2.4ghz backend (xeons, old) does great for recording

[21:01:39]

mattwj2005:

I think it is dude to the linux threading

[21:01:58]

mattwj2005:

*due

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[21:02:50]

Ryushin:

Let me put it this way. Has anyone upgraded to the latest SVN with the mythtv-vid branch added and seen that their processor usage was before and after?

[21:03:06]

mattwj2005:

not I

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juski:

Ryushin: I've got a puny box with pre vid-merge svn trunk on it. I could test it tomorrow if I get time

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juski:

like I said I can't imagine it using any more CPU

[21:04:07]

juski:

if anything it'd offload more to the GPU

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fryfrog:

no, i was planning on giving the merge a few days of suckers to test it

[21:04:38]

Ryushin:

Well, I know Daniel has been testing opengl some more, and I'm just concerned that he thought using a bit more processor was worth the trade off in quality he was seeing.

[21:04:39]

mattwj2005:

did it change any of your graphic card settings by chance?

[21:04:46]

juski:

Ebook reader plugin? FFS guy!

[21:04:55]

mattwj2005:

for example it doesn't use Xvmc anymore

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Ryushin:

mattwj2005: Really? What is it using instead? OpenGL?

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juski:

mattwj2005: so don't update

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mattwj2005:

I don't know

[21:05:42]

juski:

oops that was for Ryushin

[21:05:45]

mattwj2005:

just wondering if it changed anything.....I have no idea :)

[21:06:00]

juski:

xvmc still works in the vid branch I think

[21:06:01]

Ryushin:

Well, I guess I'll be waiting for at least month.

[21:06:10]

juski:

you should read the -commit messages & the -dev list anway

[21:06:29]

juski:

then you'll always have an inkling of what to expect ;)

[21:06:40]

Ryushin:

* This enables compiling XvMC chromakey rendering by default

[21:06:46]

Ryushin:

So yea, it still is using XvMC

[21:07:03]

mattwj2005:

okay just a thought :)

[21:07:14]

Ryushin:

fryfrog: So, which one of us is going to be the suckers?

[21:07:25]

juski:

doing away with xvmc would be a definite retrograde step :P

[21:07:38]

fryfrog:

i vote, joo!

[21:08:10]

mattwj2005:

who is joo? :P

[21:08:38]

** mattwj2005 votes for Pedro **

[21:10:01]

Ryushin:

I'm sure there is going to be schema upgrades. So this won't be easily downgradeable.

[21:10:50]

lcase:

its only "mysql mythconverg <sqldump.sql"

[21:11:19]

fryfrog:

sure, if you upgrade, realize your mistake in about 5 minutes, then do it

[21:11:37]

fryfrog:

but if you wait 2 or 3 days... you'll have a bunch of recordings, etc that'll get all ge-blummeled

[21:13:20]

lcase:

yes thats right

[21:13:30]

lcase:

but its only viewing a video

[21:13:52]

lcase:

and perhaps it will go or not :)

[21:14:02]

lcase:

i had no luck :(

[21:14:09]

lcase:

my frontend crashes

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lcase:

i am sure its some configuration issue

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lcase:

but i got no backtrace

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vollo:

hi @all

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vollo:

I have a question : I have a dvbt and a analog tv card in my mythtv how can I switch between this to inputs?

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vollo:

anybody here :) ?

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vollo:

jemand da:)

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mog:

hi

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vollo:

hi

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mog:

are there any options for digital cable and mythtv, i have comcast cable currently

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mattwj2005:

oh crap there is a shortcut key

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mattwj2005:

i j

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mattwj2005:

something like that vollo

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mattwj2005:

c maybe

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tcpsyn:

mog, I'm using comcast digital

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tcpsyn:

But i only get the unencrypted channels, obviously

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chuk:

I can't seem to get XVMC working with the latest trunk version of myth

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mog:

how do you get the feed into your box?

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mog:

i thought all the channels where encrypted

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tcpsyn:

nah, not fox and cbs and such

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mog:

but cable channels like mtv etc

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mog:

are encrypted?

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tcpsyn:

yep

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tcpsyn:

So I have 2 tuners.

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mog:

well that is pretty worthless to me

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tcpsyn:

one for the qam, to get the digital stuff.

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tcpsyn:

and then one for everything else.

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mog:

there are no options for open tuners i could put a cable card in and get tv over firewire

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floppyears:

tcpsyn: oh, comcast encrypts the digital channels ? what for ? why are they being a pita ?

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mog:

they just suck

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mog:

as everyone does...

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mog:

but i thought there was a way around it

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vollo:

hi i or j not work :( ich find "c" in the key file but it not works too :(

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tcpsyn:

floppyear, yep. they do.

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vollo:

when i press c than only dvb shows he not switch must i configure something on the frontend?

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vollo:

can anybody help me?

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vollo:

anybody wants to speak with me :)?

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mattwj2005:

vollo your using watching live tv right?

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mattwj2005:

*watching live tv

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mattwj2005:

you don't have a C key? :S

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vollo:

yes

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mattwj2005:

then how did you type c in this chat window? :P

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vollo:

i find the key Y on the internet to change the source but i get black sreen

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vollo:

with c nothing happens

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mattwj2005:

hmm

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mattwj2005:

yeah I couldn't remember it off hand

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mattwj2005:

brb

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vollo:

ok

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mattwj2005:

okay I got it :D

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mattwj2005:

you know when you change channel you have that bar on the bottom?

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mattwj2005:

you have to esc out of that for it to work....I believe

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mattwj2005:

then try those keys we have talked about

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vollo:

mom i try

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mattwj2005:

any luck?

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vollo:

one sek :)

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mattwj2005:

oh okay :)

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vollo:

so i press c while live tv is playing

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mattwj2005:

ok?

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vollo:

and nothing happens :(

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vollo:

only dvb plays not the analog tv

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mattwj2005:

without the title bar showing?

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vollo:

yes

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mattwj2005:

okay now try i j and y

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mattwj2005:

same way

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sphery:

juski: Yeah. I was just saying that I gave gbee a hack of a position fix for MythWeather's settings page and you'll probably give it the proper fix eventually.

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vollo:

ok mom

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vollo:

i and j have other funktions and when i press y i get a black sreen

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mattwj2005:

okay

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mattwj2005:

so no luck :(

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vollo:

i search for channls in the mythsetup for analog and he find all the channels

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vollo:

there

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vollo:

but i cant watch them :((

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mattwj2005:

one other think you can try

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mattwj2005:

:)

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mattwj2005:

do you have mythweb?

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vollo:

mh i dont know :)

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vollo:

how can i start it?

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mattwj2005:

oh okay....because mythweb has key shortcuts

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vollo:

mh i think i installed it how can i start it

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mattwj2005:

open a web browser

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mattwj2005:

try going to

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mattwj2005:

http://127.0.0.1

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mattwj2005:

do you see anything?

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vollo:

no

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mattwj2005:

okay

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mattwj2005:

I am sorry I am not much help

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mattwj2005:

maybe someone else can help :D

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vollo:

:) thank your for your try

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mattwj2005:

anytime my friend...good luck to you

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vollo:

thank you :)

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juski:

vollo: you cannot use C to switch between DVB & V4L tuner inputs as far as I know

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H00chster:

isn't "Y" what you use to swap between tuners?

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juski:

yes

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H00chster:

:)

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juski:

not to switch between inputs though

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H00chster:

source inputs I take. understand

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|Torg|:

Y between tuners, C between inputs on the same tuner

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juski:

as in – a DVB tuner which also does V4L cannot switch sources using 'C'

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juski:

you should really use separate tuner cards

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vollo:

Hi iam baxk

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vollo:

back :)

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vollo:

yes when i press C nothing happens

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juski:

of course nothing happens

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vollo:

i use a analog Wintv250 PR an a USB DVB-T stick

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juski:

vollo: the Y key is for switching between tuners

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juski:

and on analogue tuners with more than one input setup in mythtv-setup, the C key will switch inputs

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vollo:

oh and why nothing happens with C ?

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juski:

C only switches between inputs on one tuner card

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juski:

Y makes mythtv use another tuner

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|Torg|:

hmm mythtv-vid is now in trunk and its crashing my backend compile all over the place

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vollo:

ah

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vollo:

TVRec(3): HW Tuner: 3->3

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** mattwj2005 buys Juski a beer! **

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vollo:

this i got in the backend log

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vollo:

VRec(3): Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV

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vollo:

[mpeg4 @ 0xb72674e8]removing common factors from framerate

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juski:

vollo: use a pastebin

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juski:

mattwj2005: cheers, but virtual beer isn't as refreshing as real beer

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mattwj2005:

good point

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juski:

vollo: www.pastebin.ca – and keep everything in channel. private help costs a lot of money from me!

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juski:

rates start at $200 per hour

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mattwj2005:

you might have to send him a virtual beer ;)

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juski:

minimum rate 2 hours

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|Torg|:

juski you go on discount? last week it was $250/hr

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juski:

I go on holiday tomorrow

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vollo:

http://www.pastebin.ca/683045 thats the logs i get when i switch

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|Torg|:

ahh hard up for cash, I get it :)

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|Torg|:

where are you going?

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juski:

vollo: I think you have the wrong type of tuner setup for your analogue tuner. it should be 'PVR-x50 mpeg encoder' not 'v4l foobar'

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juski:

|Torg|: Zakynthos, Greece

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vollo:

I have a PVR 250

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|Torg|:

juski: NICE!

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juski:

vollo: yeah I know. in mythtv-setup I think it's set as the wrong kind

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vollo:

where i can download the encoder or manage? sorry i a noob in

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mattwj2005:

hey Justin is that Hong Kong Dollars? if so that isn't too bad :P

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mattwj2005:

1 Hong Kong dollar = 0.128282 U.S. dollars

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vollo:

what setting i must do in the mythsetup? t

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juski:

vollo: the default tuner type in mythtv-setup is wrong for your card

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vollo:

mom i look

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juski:

vollo: stop mythbackend now. open mythtv-setup and go into 'capture card' setup. make sure your pvr250 card is set to the 'pvr-x50' type

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juski:

mattwj2005: such a comedian!

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mattwj2005:

hehe

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mattwj2005:

yeah I know I rock :)

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vollo:

where can i set the type ?

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|Torg|:

mattwj2005 probbly about 2x that as the usdolar is about .50 GBP

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vollo:

Ah i see

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mattwj2005:

British pounds ah

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vollo:

you mean type : MEPG-"2

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juski:

vollo: yeah

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vollo:

(PVR-x

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mattwj2005:

don't you guys use Euros?

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juski:

mattwj2005: over our cold dead bodies

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|Torg|:

the UK, your jokigm, right?

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mattwj2005:

lol

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juski:

we're jingoist imperialists to the last!

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mattwj2005:

are you part of the union though?

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|Torg|:

where do you think the US learned it from :P

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juski:

stinking foreigners with their weird but tasty food and their attractive looks and good taste in culture...

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juski:

;)

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mattwj2005:

most Americans are imperialists....usually just the guy at the top.....especially the last few years ;)

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juski:

the English tend to be terrible on holiday. they want everything to be like in the UK but with sunshine

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juski:

oh and if they can't speak the local lingo, just shout louder!

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mattwj2005:

*most aren't

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juski:

I feel embarrassed to be near British people on holiday

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mattwj2005:

how about Americans?

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juski:

but, this deal we got was super cheap, so we're with a bunch of Brits

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|Torg|:

how do you think I feel as a US citizen visting the UK?

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juski:

mattwj2005: haven't met many on holiday. I think they tend to try harder than we brits do though

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mattwj2005:

okay cool cool

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juski:

|Torg|: I bet you're all pissed off at how crap the service is everywhere

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vollo:

yeah it works the qualitiy is very bad but it works

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vollo:

great thanks to you

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|Torg|:

juski: venga a Tejas y hable espanol

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juski:

np

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mattwj2005:

yeah I am hoping to go to Sweden and back without getting shot or robbed or such

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juski:

|Torg|: nah

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|Torg|:

thats what we get for forcing our (well your) language

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mattwj2005:

Torg yo hablas espanol mal

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juski:

mattwj2005: just avoid the UK. you should be fine :D

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mattwj2005:

lol

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vollo:

good night to all of you cu

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mattwj2005:

watch out for those dang Brits ah? :P

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juski:

night vollo

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|Torg|:

no hablo espanol, yo hablo Tejano :P

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mattwj2005:

bye vollo

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|Torg|:

I thin thye speak spanish here to make up fo the brits speaking english in Spain :P

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mattwj2005:

yo no hablas espanol. yo no hablas ingles. yo hablo mal

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mattwj2005:

;)

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mattwj2005:

lol

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juski:

the last American I met in the UK won't be in much of a hurry to go back to London I think.. he hated it

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mattwj2005:

what happened Juski?

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|Torg|:

other then it was about 2x the cost for me I like it

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|Torg|:

what happend?

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juski:

basically just found it too rude, people were discourteous etc

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|Torg|:

most of the people I run into in London are asian tourists

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juski:

heh

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|Torg|:

that and the nice ladies at the airport who I cant understand a damn word that comes out of thier mouth

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juski:

what you guys call Asian & what we call Asian are different ya know

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|Torg|:

oj juksi Japanese

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juski:

tbh I'm amazed the UK gets as many visitors as it does

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|Torg|:

every morning I would walk arround the tower of london to get to the data center, every day I would have to wade though groups of japanese

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juski:

though you end up feeling that way when you've lived here :P

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juski:

I think London is better on the non-tourist side

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juski:

but I definitely hate having to take the tube. oh boy

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|Torg|:

I was in EC3 and EC4 for gods sake, thats hardly turist side

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mattwj2005:

man I need this shirt

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mattwj2005:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/japanese/74a3/

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juski:

ah but is that what it *really* says?

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|Torg|:

umm last time I took the tube someone decided to blow it up, no thanks

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mattwj2005:

yeah you guys have been hit pretty hard

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mattwj2005:

crazy terrorist

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juski:

huh? blown out of all proportion more like

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|Torg|:

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/03/24/075724.php

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|Torg|:

go put on shit that you cant read what it says

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juski:

a few nutters exploded themselves, and some more tried but failed.. hardly being hit 'pretty hard'

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mattwj2005:

wow

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mattwj2005:

something came off wrong

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mattwj2005:

I meant you guys have been attacked a lot

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|Torg|:

actually if I remebre right the SAS flored some scared as hell stunt for carriing a backback that amzingly had books in it

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mattwj2005:

it is craziness

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juski:

I wouldn't say a lot

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mattwj2005:

once is too much

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juski:

I wouldn't even say many people are scared of terror activity either. we talk about it sometimes, but mostly in a way where we're trying to read between the lines of what we're told

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juski:

of course once is too much, but I'd still not call it a 'lot'

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|Torg|:

besides teh terrorists are cluless, you bomb the pubs not the tube

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|Torg|:

dont you know how to install terror into a brit

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juski:

heh. "the pub's closed!"

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juski:

ARGGHHHH!

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mattwj2005:

lol

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mattwj2005:

good call Torg :P

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|Torg|:

London is stil the only place I know I can get two pnts at lunch and go back to the data center :)

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mattwj2005:

lol

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mattwj2005:

Torg you rock :)

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juski:

only two?

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mattwj2005:

2 40s?

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juski:

on the 1st day of linuxworld expo I think we had 4 for lunch

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mattwj2005:

the nice thing is that if you get pulled over you can say you only had 2 and you won't be lieing ;)

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|Torg|:

I dont drice in teh UK, I dont even try

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|Torg|:

I drive in Germany, France, Sweden, but not int eh UK

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|Torg|:

youd have to be crazy to drive there

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juski:

whoah. germany is more daft than here, followed by france, then spain, greece then italy IMHO

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|Torg|:

yea but you dive on teh wrong side of the road :P

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juski:

as for the USA – you guys need roundabouts more than you'll ever know

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mattwj2005:

we have some

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|Torg|:

I dont drive in Italy for simmilar but differnt reasons

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iamben:

juski: we have them but we suck at using them

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mattwj2005:

just not a ton

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juski:

mattwj2005: you do? wow

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mattwj2005:

yup

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juski:

I was thrown off guard by slip roads feeding a freeway from both sides

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juski:

like wtf?

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|Torg|:

where was that?

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juski:

crazy mad. oh and that filter on right turn stuff- the guys at the hire care place should tell tourists that before people get killed

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juski:

|Torg|: think it was in FL. might be a false memory thingy.

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mattwj2005:

filter on right turn?

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juski:

yeah you can turn right if it's clear, even on a stop signal

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|Torg|:

hell they do it when its NOT clear too

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juski:

lol

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mattwj2005:

lol

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Anduin:

juski: That depends on where you are, isn't legal in all states and is restricted even in ones where it is.

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|Torg|:

and juski I figured you were somewhere in teh south, Dallas traffic is like that

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mattwj2005:

we have some really bad drivers here

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|Torg|:

our feader roads to the freeway go in both directiosn here

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juski:

got my hire car from the airport, set off for the 1st time in an automagic, realised I was on the wrong side of the road. man that was scary

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|Torg|:

stop stands for Spin Tires On Pavment

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juski:

ended up missing the turn for my hotel & wound up in downtown Miami at 11pm at night :-\

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|Torg|:

juski thats why you ge a car service to pick you up, its what I do in London

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|Torg|:

and I use just that excuse you just did to justify it

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juski:

fair nuff

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juski:

I'm not prone to panic attacks, but that was close

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|Torg|:

heel come drive with us, the trun signal is to aounce your presnece in the lane

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|Torg|:

when you rin the right hand lane, in which direcion shoudl you turn? Ill give you a hint its not right and ive sen people do that acorss 4 lanes of traffic

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mattwj2005:

lol

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|Torg|:

when you are drivng n the moring and talking on your cellphone in one hand and drinking that coffee with the other, wich kneww should you stear with?

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|Torg|:

Yield means speed up beofere the other cars get in front of you

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|Torg|:

and that speed limit you see is more a suggestion then a limit

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mattwj2005:

in Minneasota you have to be going 100 MPH for them to yank your license

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mattwj2005:

I swear it is true

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Syphan1:

does anyone know how to use a directory with a space in it in an /etc/fstab file? or if it is even possiable?

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mattwj2005:

100 mile per hour = 160.9344 kilometers per hour

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mattwj2005:

have you tried adding a \ before the space?

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|Torg|:

heel I got pulled over in Toronto, no joke I really did it, and todl the officer (who could obvously tell I was an amarican and read signed in MILES per hour, not killometers) that I thgouht I had to multiple by 9/5 and and 32 :P

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|Torg|:

he actualy let me go

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mattwj2005:

lol

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mattwj2005:

hehe

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|Torg|:

The second field, (fs_file), describes the mount point for the filesystem. For swap partitions, this field should be specified as

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|Torg|:

`none'. If the name of the mount point contains spaces these can be escaped as `\040'.

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|Torg|:

you do know your box comes with man pages, right?

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** juski wonders what a typical house in FL costs.. **

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mattwj2005:

you could try man fstab if you didn't

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mattwj2005:

at the command prompt

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mattwj2005:

quarter million?

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juski:

what size you get for that then?

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|Torg|:

like amny places in the US it sorta depedns on wher eyour talking about

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mattwj2005:

probably a pretty typical one

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mattwj2005:

nothing real fancy

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juski:

so no pool or cinema room etc :P

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mattwj2005:

nope

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|Torg|:

type forida mls and see what comes us

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|Torg|:

why you planning on moving :)

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mattwj2005:

Florida or California I am sure is quite expensive

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juski:

just looking out of curiosity

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|Torg|:

mattwj2005 like I said, depdns on where

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mattwj2005:

yup

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juski:

does anybody build houses out of brick over there?

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|Torg|:

yes, commonly

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juski:

ones I've got up on this realtor site are like trailers

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mattwj2005:

yeah wood and hay don't work too well :P

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|Torg|:

wood frame, brick house is about the most common thing you will find

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|Torg|:

juski we got those too, esp in the south

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juski:

ffs. $220,000 for a 4 bed house with 3 bathrooms, covering 2436 sq feet

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|Torg|:

to give you an idea about how much property is, my house and 15 acres is about half as expensive as rmedens house 20 miles to my east

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mattwj2005:

wow that is better than I though

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juski:

rooms are like twice the size of my house's

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juski:

and my house is worth more than $220,000 here

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juski:

rofl. master bedroom is bigger than my current livingroom

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mattwj2005:

dang

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mattwj2005:

Juski that is in Florida?

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mattwj2005:

for the heck of it try Wisconsin

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juski:

nope

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mattwj2005:

oh okay

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juski:

wow. you get a whole load more house for your money over there

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mattwj2005:

yup

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mattwj2005:

tropical places are a huge different

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mattwj2005:

but in the North you have snow :P

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juski:

yeah but even so I think I might be able to afford a 2 bed condo in FL for about 4x what i'd pay for a new car

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juski:

holiday home ;)

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mattwj2005:

lol

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juski:

actually scratch that. I'd sooner just get one in France

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mattwj2005:

Sweden man

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juski:

what can I say – I like those cheese eating surrender monkeys

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mattwj2005:

they have super fast Internet access :P

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mattwj2005:

well I am going to sign off

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mattwj2005:

goodbye all :D

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H00chster:

xris or any SD guys around?

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xris:

?

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H00chster:

hey xris, was curious if you knew on using SD is the option in your Sources for scan eit there just for any updates that might change on the fly? and there shouldn't be anything else eit related?

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GreyFoxx:

Wow. It's was amazingly painless to configure/install the MCE remote.

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Yahooadam:

i wish it had been for me >_<

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xris:

H00chster: sorry, not a clue.

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GreyFoxx:

Yahooadam: Took about 5 minutes including pulling up the wiki entry on it

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GreyFoxx:

I'm shocked

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H00chster:

indeed GreFoxx if only current cvs of lirc came with the driver support for the kbd and didn't have to be patched

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GreyFoxx:

I expected a lot mroe pain :)

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H00chster:

k xris np

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GreyFoxx:

H00chster: I used cvs for lirc as of a few minutes ago

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GreyFoxx:

No patches

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