Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, August 30th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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Daviey:

Or, use a smart-card reader – that should be legit

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directhex:

Daviey, no, it'd be less legit

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Daviey:

oh

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|Torg|:

no Daviey if you understood how the card talked to the CAM you would know, that is illegal too

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directhex:

Daviey, because then you'd need to emulate the CAM in software

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Daviey:

even though you are not hacking/cracking?

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|Torg|:

you are

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directhex:

who's to say your softcam isn't inserting a few extra channel rights here & there?

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directhex:

a little HBO here, a little playboy channel there

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|Torg|:

waht hakkers CALL a cam and what is a cam are two differnt things, its the part you stick the smartcard into

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|Torg|:

in order for that card to talk to the cam it must excahnge keys with it, hence the need for a dvb-s card with cam

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** directhex uses a legit cam-based service **

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Noble:

yeah, i'm paying for service, i just want to use an unsupported decoder.. which... is probably illegal

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directhex:

Noble, illegal no, violation of t&c yes

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|Torg|:

you need a DVB-S card with CI and CAM, problem is there are no nagra2 legit cams

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Noble:

well that doesn't bother me much

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Noble:

sorry but whats a cam?

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directhex:

looks like a PCMCIA cad

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Noble:

i'm new to satellite, just signed up for service today

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directhex:

plugs into a CI slot, has a smartcard reader hole

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Daviey:

erm.. a CAM isn't a PCMCIA card

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Yahooadam:

are those the cards with a chip in it ?

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directhex:

and has lots of decryption circuity in it

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Yahooadam:

like a mobile phone sim, but credit card sized ?

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Daviey:

A CAM is digital compression method AIUI

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directhex:

http://www.brymar.co.uk/acatalog/TOPTVCAM.jpg

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directhex:

a CAM is a conditional access module. it forms part of the secure chain for accessing encrypted broadcasts on DVB/ATSC

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directhex:

as with most of the model, it can be hardware or software

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Yahooadam:

ah kk

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directhex:

the standard hardware factor is shaped like pcmcia, albeit with a different pin-out

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Yahooadam:

over here i the UK with sky

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directhex:

see pic above

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Yahooadam:

its like a sim card but credit card sized

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directhex:

Yahooadam, that's the viewer card

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AndyCap:

simcards used to be credit-card sized once upon a time

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Yahooadam:

ah yeah it is

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directhex:

Yahooadam, to access sky via a pc (violating your t&c) you plug your viewer card into a DRAGON CAM, plug that into a dvb-s card with a CI slot

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Yahooadam:

im gonna be using the viewing box with a tuner ...

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Yahooadam:

so nothing illegal there as far as i know

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|Torg|:

a CAM is a Conditional Access Module

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|Torg|:

looks like a small PCI card you put that ISO 7816 access card into, that then goes into your CI slot on your DVB-S

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|Torg|:

legit uses for them are in Europe and with certain CAMs (I think sky, im not sure I dont live there)

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** Yahooadam 's mind explodes **

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my2keh:

hey, is it possible to change my mythtv user's password without messing lots of stuff up?

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|Torg|:

there are no legitmate Nagra2 CAMs what you would need to talk to dishnet

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: no legitimate NDS (sky and more) cam's either. Conax and Viaccess are pretty much it I guess

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|Torg|:

yes AndyCap I specialy only looked up Nagra2 ones for my dishnet box

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|Torg|:

I was willing to break the T&C just not the DMCA :P

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my2keh:

sasc works nice

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my2keh:

i heard

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|Torg|:

sasc is illegal and we do not talk about it here

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AndyCap:

actually, being german it's a little weird that there are no cams for naga

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Yahooadam:

not quite a mythtv question, but can u run X without a gfx card ?

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AndyCap:

nagra.

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my2keh:

so are CAM's

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my2keh:

are they not?

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|Torg|:

no, depending on where you live they are legal or in the grey area

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AndyCap:

Yahooadam: Xvnc or Xfb

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my2keh:

grey area

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my2keh:

that's what a criminal says about illegal stuff

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|Torg|:

since you crack no keys, and use no external software other then your access card it isnt againt the DMCA

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directhex:

i have a legit seca2 cam, for my legit paid dvb-t channels

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Yahooadam:

interesting

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AndyCap:

my2keh: you can get official cam's for some providers, conditional access systems, and some unofficial/grey/illegal cams for others

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my2keh:

i see

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my2keh:

it's just a lot easier to pay for legit access

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directhex:

i'd pay for lagit cable and/or satellite in a hearbeat if they offered a CAM

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** jarle thinks that what is illegal is some providers will only let you use their card on a specific tuner.. **

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directhex:

legit

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AndyCap:

my2keh: you'd still be paying for legit access

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directhex:

jarle, lock-in is immoral, not illegal

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jarle:

directhex: That might wary depending on the country you are in...

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|Torg|:

hes in the UK I belive

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directhex:

jarle, you're right. in some countries it's not immoral, it's encouraged!

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Noble:

sorry i'm being silent, i'm doing phone support and it just got really busy, i'll read over everything when it calms down a bit

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SirFunk:

y

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my2keh:

sooo

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my2keh:

anyone ever change their mythtv password?

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GreyFoxx:

the database password ?

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my2keh:

uhh

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my2keh:

the login

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my2keh:

like, i think someone logged into my box

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my2keh:

via ssh or something

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GreyFoxx:

oh

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my2keh:

I do "last"

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my2keh:

and I get some IP from Asia

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my2keh:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

hahah doh

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GreyFoxx:

who/what created your mythtv user and password ?

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my2keh:

uhh Knoppmyth i guess?

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Anduin:

my2keh: Normally there is no problem

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GreyFoxx:

I'm suprised when installing that it didn't ask you to set a password

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AndyCap:

my2keh: you probably got owned by an ssh bruteforcer

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Anduin:

my2keh: and you can force key only auth

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

jarle still around ?

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|Torg|:

knoppmyth only asks for a root password, instals a user mythtv with password mythtv to run the FE, and asks but does not require you to set up another user account

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fryfrog:

why would your myth box even be open to the internets?

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GreyFoxx:

|tor| hmmm

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|Torg|:

heel my mythboxes are behind my dmz, and im thinking of firewallig them off from my lan as well

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Noble:

okay, dvb-s receives from the dish, the cam accepts the card and it needs to support nagra2

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Yahooadam:

just change it, see if it says anything, see if u can see how to fix it

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fryfrog:

at the very least, my myth *frontend* doesn't have any ports forwarded to it

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Yahooadam:

if it doenst work, just change back

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fryfrog:

my myth *backend* is my web server, so there are some ports open.

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Yahooadam:

baaaad idea

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Yahooadam:

webservers should be on their own box

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Yahooadam:

far too vaunarable

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sphery:

my2keh: A cron job on each of my 3 Myth boxes changes the mythtv account password to a random password with between 40 and 80 characters (including upper, lower, numeric, special) once per day.

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GreyFoxx:

Yahooadam: That really depends on what you are running on the website(s)

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|Torg|:

hell so is storing the mysql password in a plaintext file

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sphery:

my2keh: No one (not even me) knows what the password is. Of course, this relies on a working sudo/ksu/... implementation.

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Yahooadam:

its very hard to truely harden a webserver

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GreyFoxx:

I run mythweb on my masterbackend. The backend is behind my NAT box, but there is aportforrward for mythweb

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GreyFoxx:

damn phone *grumbles*

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Yahooadam:

yeah but thats not a webserver really

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fryfrog:

you could also put "DenyUsers mythtv" in your sshd_config file

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|Torg|:

the only way you can get into my network now is to cracp my WPA key and then you can only get into my DMZ, from there you have to VPN to my lan

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AndyCap:

sphery: umm, why not just lock the account? su still works

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my2keh:

sorry

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my2keh:

was distracted

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my2keh:

lemme catch up

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Yahooadam:

|torg| for the local network maybe

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Yahooadam:

doesnt mean somone cant break in thru ure interwebs

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sphery:

AndyCap: interesting...

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fryfrog:

If I could afford 2 servers, I'd do that... but I can't, so I don't :p

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|Torg|:

whcih one? there arnt any ports open except ssh and that only gets you to my dmz

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Yahooadam:

let me guess, your running samba on the box aswell ?

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my2keh:

my backend is my webserver is too

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fryfrog:

shit, i run *everythign* on the box

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Yahooadam:

you said about WPA keys |torg|

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my2keh:

hence it needs to be on the internet, but behind a nat box or something

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Yahooadam:

that doesnt stop internet access

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fryfrog:

but *only* http and ssh are forwarded by the router

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Yahooadam:

even the samba documentation strongly warns against that

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AndyCap:

fryfrog: well, in case you haven't been paying attention there are a lot of evil people brute-forcing ssh accounts

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fryfrog:

anyone know how long it takes for craigslist ads to pop up?

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fryfrog:

AndyCap: yeah, i have some minor precautions against that

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AndyCap:

and your web log is probably full of people looking for weak web apps

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fryfrog:

i run ssh on a non-standard port, which gets rid of 98% of em

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fryfrog:

probably, wouldn't surprise me

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fryfrog:

i'd love to split my web from my everything, are you donating hardware? :)

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fryfrog:

course, then i ahve *another* computer on in my computer room :(

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Yahooadam:

its hardly expensive

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Yahooadam:

P2 is fine for a webserver

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fryfrog:

more power used, more heat generated :(

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my2keh:

well i'll just see if anyone relogs in

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Yahooadam:

well it depends what ure doing though

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fryfrog:

Someday, when I start up my commune, I'll seperate it all out :)

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Yahooadam:

PHP, or any other scripting software is bad

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fryfrog:

and build me an asterisk server :)

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AndyCap:

an asterisk server in itself isnt very demanding. can be run on a broadcom mips router running openwrt. :P

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kash:

i hate Charter

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kash:

they probably won't get my digital cable activated for a week even though i've got the box already

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Perdignus:

Hello – can someone who has MFPlayer.swf flash streaming working tell me how their ffmpeg is configured please?

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kash:

and now i'm wondering whether it works with MythTV or not o.O

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kash:

Motorola DCT2224 iirc

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fryfrog:

firewire?

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fryfrog:

you might have to modify the source to include the vendor/model id to try it

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forevertheuni:

hi

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forevertheuni:

question..I compiled a patch version of mythtv

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forevertheuni:

with --prefix=/opt/mythtv

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Yahooadam:

x-fire just DDoS'd their own site lol

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forevertheuni:

the frontend runs ok but it doesn't connect to the backend

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CharlieSu:

Does anyone know of a linux program that is basically like WinSCP that uses an ncurses interface?

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|Torg|:

scp?

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forevertheuni:

if I run the frontend with...bah..now I can't connect to the mysql server

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AndyCap:

CharlieSu: mc?

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Yahooadam:

WinSCP is like FTP but shows local linux filesystems

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Yahooadam:

very good :)

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|Torg|:

forevertheuni 1) did you allow networking in your mysql config, 2) did you setup the mysql.txt file with the apprpriote IP and credientals, 3) did you configure the FE to use the IP of the BE and not 127.0.0.1

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forevertheuni:

bah

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Yahooadam:

"WinSCP is an open source free SFTP client and FTP client for Windows. Legacy SCP protocol is also supported. Its main function is safe copying of files between a local and a remote computer."

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forevertheuni:

|Torg|, I'm in lo

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forevertheuni:

localhost

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forevertheuni:

and I can connect to mysql manually

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forevertheuni:

with "mysql" command

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|Torg|:

your BE and FE are the same box?

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forevertheuni:

yes

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forevertheuni:

I'm trying that now

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Perdignus:

Yahooadam what's wrong with using scp on the console?

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|Torg|:

did you chage the user who the FE runs as?

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forevertheuni:

don't think so

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forevertheuni:

but the backend doesn't run now

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forevertheuni:

not the ubuntu pkg and not the compiled one

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Yahooadam:

the fact that using a graphical interface is 1000x easier

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|Torg|:

then that is your problem

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|Torg|:

Yahooadam and 1000x slower

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Yahooadam:

maybe, but i dont wanna learn more stuff, anyway, i wasnt asking for a SCP frontend :p

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forevertheuni:

Yahooadam, try putty

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forevertheuni:

lol

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Yahooadam:

omg !

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Yahooadam:

go away :p

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Yahooadam:

i already use putty ;)

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forevertheuni:

lool

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forevertheuni:

I use sftp

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forevertheuni:

:d

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Yahooadam:

but copying a file from windows to linux without winscp is tough ...

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forevertheuni:

no grafical interface

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forevertheuni:

ah..

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forevertheuni:

I can do it with file manager in linux :D

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forevertheuni:

use ftp then :D

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forevertheuni:

drop the ssh

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my2keh:

samba!

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forevertheuni:

or samba

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Yahooadam:

and then u have to install a FTP server

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forevertheuni:

:D

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Yahooadam:

and then u have to install and setup Samba :p

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forevertheuni:

Yahooadam, what linux distro

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forevertheuni:

?

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Yahooadam:

and that assumes that the file will goto the right place

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forevertheuni:

how can I wipe the mysql stuff

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forevertheuni:

I hope I just have mythtv stuff in there

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Yahooadam:

OMG i dont even need the help, WinSCP is an open source free SFTP client and FTP client for Windows. Legacy SCP protocol is also supported. Its main function is safe copying of files between a local and a remote computer.

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Yahooadam:

doh

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forevertheuni:

:/ what's the command to see the mysql present tables?

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Yahooadam:

[quote] CharlieSu: Does anyone know of a linux program that is basically like WinSCP that uses an ncurses interface?[/quote]

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my2keh:

show tables; ?

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Yahooadam:

and then u said "whats winscp"

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Yahooadam:

so i tried to explain

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Yahooadam:

and now your bombarding me !

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forevertheuni:

my2keh, the data in mysql

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forevertheuni:

server

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forevertheuni:

I wasn't here when u said it :d

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my2keh:

the data?

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my2keh:

like select * from table;?

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forevertheuni:

oh :/ damn

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forevertheuni:

I know nothing about mysql

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forevertheuni:

ldap I know

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forevertheuni:

lol

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my2keh:

mysql even has a manual

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my2keh:

ON THE INTERWEB!

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forevertheuni:

that I don't have time to read now :(

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my2keh:

heh

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forevertheuni:

really I don't.

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forevertheuni:

or else I would be reading it

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|Torg|:

insert update select delete there sql for you

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forevertheuni:

O.o

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forevertheuni:

lol

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forevertheuni:

is there any show?

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my2keh:

show tables;

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my2keh:

or select

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forevertheuni:

:/ no db selected

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|Torg|:

show is a mysql command, not a sql one

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my2keh:

use mythconverg;

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quantum:

when I use mythmusic on a frontend, does it need to have access to the files or is the data sent like the files in watch recordings

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forevertheuni:

and I could never ever ever put mythtv to wokr

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forevertheuni:

work..

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quantum:

bummer

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forevertheuni:

and I did everything in linux to work..

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quantum:

what didn't work

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forevertheuni:

exept kerberos server

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forevertheuni:

except*

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forevertheuni:

quantum, I don't eve know

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forevertheuni:

even*

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forevertheuni:

my2keh, I did show tables; I got the error "no database selected"

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|Torg|:

<my2keh> use mythconverg;

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NightMonkey:

forevertheuni: He said the answer above: "use mythconverg;" Then, execute your "show tables;"

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forevertheuni:

oh

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my2keh:

BAMN!

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my2keh:

heh

[00:58:03]

my2keh:

read the fscking manual

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my2keh:

jebus

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forevertheuni:

:/

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forevertheuni:

:(

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forevertheuni:

ok ok

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forevertheuni:

I'll shut up..

[00:58:16]

forevertheuni:

for 15 minutes

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my2keh:

so any good shows coming up?

[00:59:00]

my2keh:

for the new tv season?

[00:59:03]

my2keh:

my PVR is bored

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cesman:

quantum: it needs to have access to the files

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** cesman uses NFS between M/SBE **

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quantum:

cesman, thank you, so basically I just need to make a nework share or whatever

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quantum:

and point the frontend to it

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Perdignus:

my2keh there's that cavemen show, might be worth a look

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quantum:

so really the only thing it gets off the backend is the recorded programs, is that right

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quantum:

?

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my2keh:

i'll have to look that up

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cesman:

quantum: yes

[01:06:56]

cesman:

in the past, for music and video both systems had to have the same mount point

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kash:

what's RF bypass

[01:07:06]

cesman:

video still does, I'm not certain about music

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Perdignus:

my2keh it doesn't premiere until October 2 at 8/7c

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forevertheuni:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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forevertheuni:

I'm always getting this

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forevertheuni:

with everything myth-setup included

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NightMonkey:

my2keh: IFC has some interesting new series. Hard to say, tho, since I don't know what you're into. ;)

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forevertheuni:

I removed mysql and mythtv and reinstalled

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NightMonkey:

forevertheuni: OK, now read the mythtv docs. Specifically about the mysql.txt file. http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.4

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forevertheuni:

this is why I have mythtv setup process

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forevertheuni:

lol

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NightMonkey:

Ah, well. Another satisfied customer.

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my2keh:

IFC?

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kash:

independent film channel

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NightMonkey:

my2keh: Independent Film Channel.

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my2keh:

ohh

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kash:

i can't add a lineup to datadirect.. anyone know if this is a known issue?

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NightMonkey:

kash: Try Schedules Direct?

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kash:

is the signup open?

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NightMonkey:

kash: Signs point to "Yes". Check the site.

[01:16:50]

kash:

payinh..

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NightMonkey:

?

[01:17:08]

kash:

i paid

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kash:

just now

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kash:

$15 :O

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NightMonkey:

$15 :)

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kash:

and it's not working to add a lineup

[01:18:38]

kash:

i type my zip and click next, but it just sits there

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kash:

oh wait, there it goes

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kash:

bout fucking time

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NightMonkey:

kash: Registrations have been open for a few days now.

[01:20:10]

kash:

i didn't know

[01:20:17]

kash:

how's the add channel to lineup thing work?

[01:20:24]

kash:

is red mean "available" ?

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NightMonkey:

kash: Red means selected. Strikethrough and grey means unselected. You can also shift-click to select or deselect multiple channels.

[01:21:02]

kash:

i read tht

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kash:

Status: Trial Period

[01:21:36]

kash:

Expires: Wednesday, September 05, 2007

[01:21:37]

kash:

wtf?

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NightMonkey:

kash: Did you pay?

[01:21:51]

kash:

yes

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NightMonkey:

kash: Did you get a confirmation e-mail?

[01:22:03]

kash:

oh man

[01:22:07]

kash:

no

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kash:

the email server is down

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NightMonkey:

kash: Yours or theirs?

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kash:

mine

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NightMonkey:

kash: Might take a few minutes to be updated on the site. However, you can create your lineup now.

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NightMonkey:

kash: And use it.

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Yahooadam:

night all, have fun with your setups :D

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forevertheuni:

bah..if I compile mythtv with --prefix=/something

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forevertheuni:

will it go to the same config fileS as ubuntu pkgs?

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kash:

how do i resend the confirmation email?

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kash:

oh, maybe it's not done yet because it's adding the funds from my banque account

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forevertheuni:

I'm reinstalling mythtv pkgs too and it doesn't report the creation of a mysql.txt

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forevertheuni:

with the password

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** esandeen notes that schedulesdirect is over 50% of what he currently pays for the cable feed ;-) **

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BULLE:

forevertheuni: reinstalling mythtv pkgs wont remote the already installed mysqldatabase

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kash:

esandeen, so? wait for zap2it to expire, then go find a screen scraper.

[01:33:44]

kash:

and i doubt that $15 for a quarter of a year is more than 50% of your cable bill

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forevertheuni:

BULLE, I remove mysql-server too and purged files

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forevertheuni:

removed*

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my2keh:

screen scraper heh

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esandeen:

kash, you missed the smiley and you are taking me way to seriously :)

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kash:

:(

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esandeen:

kash, but it is, I currently pay $9/month for cable :)

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esandeen:

(and I already signed up for SD)

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kash:

whiner

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my2keh:

haha

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my2keh:

I don't need SD, but want to help out

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my2keh:

but that might skew their numbers

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my2keh:

well not me by myself

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my2keh:

but you know

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my2keh:

heh

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my2keh:

damn my UPS goes off a lot

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my2keh:

heh

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forevertheuni:

damn Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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forevertheuni:

I didn't set up password...apt sys gave a random one

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forevertheuni:

./

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kash:

ok, this channel change script isn't working

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kash:

no response from cable box whatsoever

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antibody_:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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antibody_:

this means..I have to filldatabase 1st ?

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antibody_:

that's from the mythbackend

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Dagmar:

This means you have to set the password properly

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antibody_:

:/

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antibody_:

to the root of mysql?

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antibody_:

I think I still don't have mythtv

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antibody_:

in the mysql db

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antibody_:

bah I really can't get this to wokr

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antibody_:

work*

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antibody_:

when I install mythtv I no longer have the dialog with the random pass in /etc/mysql/mysql.txt

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kash:

give up and install knoppmyth or something then

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antibody_:

lol

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antibody_:

I'll try in other computer.

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antibody_:

but I wanted to test 1st on this one

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Obecalp:

Hi – to start mythbackend with the highest debug level would I just use "--verbose" or do I need a number like "--verbose 3" ?

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cesman:

--help

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Obecalp:

cesman that's where my question stems from --> "-v or --verbose debug-level Use '-v help' for level info"

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Obecalp:

oh wait sorry, -v help helps, so maybe "-v all" ?

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cesman:

Perdignus: yes, all

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Perdignus:

thnx cesman

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daviduchovny:

can someone describe the time formats that MythTV can read for program times in XMLTV? I am developing a guide source.

[02:58:37]

daviduchovny:

One tester said that MythTV could not accomodate UTC formatted times.

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daviduchovny:

and only accepted local time stamps for show times. is this true?

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daviduchovny:

if no one can answer the question, why are so many people signed on?

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cesman:

perhaps because this isn't the developers' channel

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cesman:

people from all over the world are in there

[03:07:23]

cesman:

perhaps some are sleeping

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cesman:

working

[03:07:32]

cesman:

taking a bath....

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daviduchovny:

the dev channel forbis this question because I'm not coding myth, merely an app for myth

[03:08:16]

daviduchovny:

but thanks for responding, at least some one's awake !

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topher:

i have the latest mythtv sources compiled on a vanilla 2.6.13 kernel and an older ivtv due to driver issues with the latest ivtv. my backend and frontend sometimes crash – i'd say 4 times a week. is there a log or backtrace or way to figure out why they're crashing?

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cesman:

read teh docs

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daviduchovny:

cesman: here in the wiki: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . tion_Backend

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daviduchovny:

it talks about Time offset for XMLTV listings

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cesman:

why would I need the link?

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daviduchovny:

and says If your local timezone does not match the timezone returned by XMLTV, use this setting to have mythfilldatabase adjust the program start and end times. None disables this feature, Auto automatically detects your local timezone.

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daviduchovny:

in 'auto' mode, will it compensate for daylight savings

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daviduchovny:

?

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cesman:

yes

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daviduchovny:

ok so I can simply tell the user to use my XMLTV file in UTC timezone format, and turn on 'auto' for the backend

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daviduchovny:

and it will fix it for him

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daviduchovny:

thanks.. bye

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quantum:

what happened to dl.atrmps.net

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quantum:

seems like it has been down for the last couple days, is there a mirror for this?

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quantum:

is anybody out there?

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beata:

nope

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Aval0n:

hye guys

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Aval0n:

you seen this? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3312 . . . mp;plindex=0

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quantum:

does anyone else use atrmps, seems like all links on google associated with it are down. weird

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topher:

ouch, i got a read the docs. that's like the irc finger

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topher:

lol

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Aval0n:

anyone else experience vertical lines when using deint3d filter?

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Aval0n:

I didnt use to before until I changed resolutions

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Aval0n:

odd

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djc_:

anyone else have a source for the sdxmltvsetup.sh script that is listed as being at dl.atrpms.net, since that site seems to have been completely dead for a few days now?

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djc_:

apparently someone from mythdora emailed whoever runs that site, but if his server is how, i wonder if hes getting email :)

[05:14:24]

djc_:

er down

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djc_:

and/or is there anyway to just hack some tiny piece of mythtv somewhere to use the sd URL instead of the DD one?

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djc_:

assuming the api is at least mostly compatible, at least for now

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djc_:

im doing some proof-of-concept testing, so it doesnt need to be a perm fix

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ServerSage:

juski: You left in a bit of a huff yesterday. ;)

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ServerSage:

Stupid pidgin.

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floppyears:

so what type of things do I need to do to ensure that mythtv is running smoothly ?

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floppyears:

is there some sort of mantainance ?

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Coded:

im having trouble configuring myth on ubuntu, i installed all the packages via synatpic(sp?) i went to set up the backend the interface is there and i have seperate menus, i can see my capture card bttv pinnacle and I select it as my card

[06:14:20]

Coded:

but it takes me to a menu gives me > new card > delete all cards

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Coded:

even after i select <new card< it still goes back to the same unchanged

[06:15:27]

Coded:

when i go through evreything a click on the front end my hdd thrashes for a second then nothing happens

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juski:

ServerSage: so what if I did? I don't get paid to be here damnit

[06:27:59]

ServerSage:

juski: *shrug* Was just an observation.

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** ServerSage hands juski an uzi to spray the room with. **

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juski:

people were being especially thick/lazy ;)

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ServerSage:

juski: No, I got it. Trust me, I got it.

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tjcarter:

juski: different from usual how?

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ServerSage:

tjcarter: Stupidity is kind of like sludge. It gets so thick that you just have to scrape it off once in a while.

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tjcarter:

Coded: did you make sure to select finish?

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tjcarter:

some Myth themes (most actually) are pretty subtle with the contrast.

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floppyears:

I'm running mythtv from trunk, how much data that the new mythfilldatabase grab ?

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floppyears:

does it still grab 2 weeks worth of data ?

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HeatHawk[LI]:

Hello, this probly an over asked question, but is there a free tv listing i could use for rogers canada cable?

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tjcarter:

ugh, I didn't need to be reminded of that.

[06:36:41]

tjcarter:

I currently am in no way prepared for the US changeover.

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juski:

but you've got til 1st sept! that's ages away

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tjcarter:

...

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HeatHawk[LI]:

Any one? Free listing? :\

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HeatHawk[LI]:

I dont really need them, it would just be nice, hence the reason i dont want to pay. :D

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juski:

HeatHawk[LI]: doesn't appear to be anybody here who knows, or else they're not telling

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tjcarter:

23:37 or later is not a good time to be asking for awake Canadians.

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HeatHawk[LI]:

juski, no one likes me is what it is.

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HeatHawk[LI]:

lol

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ServerSage:

HeatHawk[LI]: Ask and linger. Don't ask, then ask, and pester, then ask some more. Oh so annoying.

[06:39:17]

HeatHawk[LI]:

ServerSage, thanks for the heads up, was about to ask again. lol

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ServerSage:

tjcarter: You must be in California.

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tjcarter:

Oregon.

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ServerSage:

tjcarter: Aaah, where you can't pump your own gas.

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tjcarter:

But you can get fiber in a town with no grocery store ;)

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ServerSage:

tjcarter: Touche.

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tjcarter:

Ahh Monmouth... Got to live this town.

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tjcarter:

Ridiculous home internet connections, no grocery store, and only a small public university with exactly three serious things happening at it.

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ServerSage:

tjcarter: Christ, I live in silicon valley and can't get fiber. :9

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ServerSage:

:(

[06:43:37]

tjcarter:

well, there are TWO landmarks in Monmouth..

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tjcarter:

Western Oregon University and Yang's.

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tjcarter:

But the one is so close to the other that most people consider one an adjuct to the other.

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tjcarter:

I mean, Yang's is so well loved, it seems to have sprouted a University.

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tjcarter:

Which isn't bad for a place with like 7 menu items ;)

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ServerSage:

tjcarter: I just might have to make a trip to try this place.

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drindt:

cansomeone please help my to translate mythtv in german please? i cant imagine what is an "Orbital Position"... someone can explain it for me so that i can translate it? thanks

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juski:

ffs here's a new one.. "Is there a way to compile MythTV without libavcodec? I don't want to deal with the Mpeg2 and Mpeg4 licensing issues. "

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tjcarter:

ServerSage: Yang's Teriyaki Plus

[06:54:29]

tjcarter:

ServerSage: It's good, it's hot, it's fast, and it's cheap.

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ServerSage:

tjcarter: All my favorite things about a place. Now I just have to convince my wife it's worth the 14 hour drive time. Hehe.

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tjcarter:

It's closed until September 3rd =(

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ServerSage:

juski: Wow...

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drindt:

no one can help me?

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juski:

problem is the dude's using a HDTV tuner card. So I told him without libavcodec it's gonna be impossible to even turn recordings into a different format. Gotta love those retards

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tjcarter:

orbital position?

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tjcarter:

I would need a context

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ServerSage:

drindt: I speak English and I don't know what Orbital Position is.

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drindt:

ServerSage: can you explain a bit in english that i can image me a bit more about? then i can translate :)

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ServerSage:

juski: Some peoples kids.

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tjcarter:

ServerSage: sounds like something GPS or timezone related?

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drindt:

tjcarter: it is from the myth translation database

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drindt:

DeviceTree->OrbitalStation

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ServerSage:

tjcarter: Or perhaps antennae rotation?

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tjcarter:

having never seen the string in Myth, I don't know what it relates to

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tjcarter:

ServerSage: I didn't know ... OH!

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juski:

you stull not got dvb-s working? this must be a record drindt

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drindt:

ServerSage: thats also called in this context

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ServerSage:

Wow, I spelled that real good. I dun did bin gotten me sum skul lernin.

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tjcarter:

ServerSage: probably having to do with sat TV

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drindt:

juski: i want to translate the untranslated keys in database

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juski:

orbital position definitely sounds like a bearing to me.. as in DEGREES

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ServerSage:

tjcarter: Good one.

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Dibblah:

Orbital position is the position where a satellite hangs above the earth surface.

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ServerSage:

Dibblah: Way to ruin our fun.

[07:00:06]

Dibblah:

Well, actually, it's the angle you need to point the dish to be pointing at that satellite.

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drindt:

Dibblah: ah ok

[07:00:19]

Dibblah:

Measured from true north, I believe.

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tjcarter:

well that solves that.

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ServerSage:

Interesting. Learn something new every day.

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Dibblah:

Inclination is seperate – But is fixed for most installations.

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tjcarter:

antenna rotation was closest without going over =D

[07:01:09]

Dibblah:

(upy-downyness)

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juski:

there's loads of downyness about

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tjcarter:

upy-downyness sounds SO technical ;)

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drindt:

Dibblah: and whats with Legacy (Fixed) meant?

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ServerSage:

tjcarter: Do I get a prize?

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** ServerSage looks on with anticipation **

[07:02:54]

tjcarter:

no, now you can play the game

[07:03:02]

tjcarter:

then you win prizes

[07:03:30]

ServerSage:

Where in the world is the stupid mythfilldatabase options? It's too damn hot to think tonight.

[07:03:31]

juski:

ffs some guy posted a link to a nvidia fx5500 asking if it'd work in mythtv. buhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

[07:03:54]

ServerSage:

juski: You know, I think the most frusting part about those type of questions is that people actually expect answers.

[07:04:13]

tjcarter:

juski: "as well as any fx card works, which is to say not very"

[07:04:30]

juski:

my fx5200 cards have all been fine in linux

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tjcarter:

what, you don't use anything more complex than glxgears?

[07:04:56]

drindt:

juski: and the menu animation in gl is sharp?

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ServerSage:

juski: My only complaint about my fx5200 is that I can't get it to run in 1900x1080.

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juski:

what menu animation?

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drindt:

juski: i had here the menu with some movement and fade out effects

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tjcarter:

doesn't 1900x1080 require dual-link DVI?

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juski:

movement? you wanna sober up man

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tjcarter:

no wait, it shouldn't

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juski:

and those fade effects... ROFL

[07:06:08]

juski:

well at least it's nowhere near as bad as linuxmce's UI

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drindt:

juski: yes some parts from the osd moving down and fade out and such

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Dibblah:

drindt: Literally "Old – not used in new designs"

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juski:

those have nothing to do with opengl

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drindt:

Dibblah: is that key ancient? or how?

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tjcarter:

juski: I don't think Myth's menu system is optimal, but linuxmce is just grotesque.

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drindt:

the next word iam not understanding is "Bandstacked" what is that?

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tjcarter:

drindt: Obsolete, deprecated

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tjcarter:

er, that's Legacy

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tjcarter:

I'm not sure what Bandstacked is

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ServerSage:

tjcarter: If it doesn't require dual link, that would explain my agony.

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ServerSage:

juski: You don't happen to have your 5200 running 1080p, do you? :)

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drindt:

tjcarter: DeviceTree->Bandstacked

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juski:

bandstacked is a dvb-s term, of course

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juski:

ServerSage: ROFL no

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Dibblah:

Not quite ;)

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Dibblah:

It's another Dish... Strangeness.

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drindt:

juski: and how to explain with some words?

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juski:

Dibblah: for dish? then wtf is it doing in mythtv?

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Dibblah:

It's useful for guide data in rural America. Hicksville, allegedly, has many Myth users. Heh.

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Dibblah:

Bandstacked will do. It's not useful outside US.

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Dibblah:

Translating it will just add to the confusion ;)

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drindt:

Dibblah: ok i ignore it and move to the next

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juski:

whoah we had another quake this morning at 5.45 am. a 2.4 apparently

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** ServerSage runs to the living room to see if 1080p works now. **

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Dibblah:

2.4? That's just the sounds of the aliens landing, not a quake ;)

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juski:

who are you calling 'aliens' ? That's my family you're talkin' about dude

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juski:

you Earthlings... pfft

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Dibblah:

Well... It is Manchester. Melting pot of the north and all...

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drindt:

HP and LP Coderate whats that?

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tjcarter:

There are still melting pots?

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tjcarter:

We don't melt in the US anymore.

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Dibblah:

High priority / Low Priority ISTR.

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Dibblah:

(I seem to recall)

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drindt:

Dibblah: and ISTR?

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Dibblah:

... I seem to recall...

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** ServerSage does a happy dance. **

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Dibblah:

drindt: Check the existing translations. I doubt anyone's done anything apart from copy for most of these. If you're scanning, these terms are generally used in English in most places...

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drindt:

Dibblah: i had here the latest translation checked out from svn and working on them here

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Dibblah:

No, I mean for other languages.

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Dibblah:

You're doing German, or something else?

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drindt:

Dibblah: german yes

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drindt:

Dibblah: first the seccond can be czech or russia

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** ServerSage can translate it into pig latin. **

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drindt:

hrhrhr

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Dibblah:

Again, most of these are used just as transliterations at most. Not translated.

[07:23:10]

Dibblah:

"LNB" is used in German, I know, etc.

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ServerSage:

Atchway Ecordingsray

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drindt:

Dibblah: sounds as would you suggest me to skip translating these keys?

[07:23:18]

Dibblah:

Yes.

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drindt:

Dibblah: then say it :)

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Dibblah:

I would suggest to you to skip translating these keys.

[07:24:19]

Dibblah:

Or, translate them as the same string, since that _is_ valid usage.

[07:24:34]

Dibblah:

However, just leaving them unpopulated is better.

[07:24:55]

Dibblah:

(Less headaches changing bad untranslated strings then)

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drindt:

yes ok

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drindt:

Dibblah: can you explain me what the gray arrow means in linguist?

[07:25:20]

Dibblah:

... Which is probably why the last translator left them ;)

[07:25:32]

Dibblah:

Never used Linguist :(

[07:27:50]

Dibblah:

Oh, someone is evil. openParen = (slash + asterix) / equals

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Dibblah:

... Also can't spell.

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drindt:

i dont understand

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Dibblah:

drindt: Don't worry about it. It's hard to read out loud in English.

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drindt:

whats the "Guard Interval"

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drindt:

is that the time where the bodyguard layd on the poeple they must protect?

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drindt:

:D

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Dibblah:

http://www.ntl.com/locales/gb/en/guides/anoraks/glossary.asp

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Dibblah:

Hmmm... NTL people had _way_ too much spare time ;)

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drindt:

Dibblah: thanks

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Dibblah:

The bottom of http://wireless.per.nl/reference/chaptr05/ofdm/ofdmmath.htm

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Dibblah:

explains it quite well.

[07:36:00]

Dibblah:

However, again, http://forum.digitalfernsehen.de/forum/showth . . . 7&page=2

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Dibblah:

Look at the common usage.

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Dibblah:

Bearing in mind that I don't speak German ;)

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juski:

ugh. the Vcore regulator of my work desktop machine is very noisy today

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juski:

expect it's gonna go 'bad caps' any day soon :D

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slaine_:

magic blue smoke

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slaine_:

or horrible high pitch noises

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juski:

got the latter already, just waiting for the former :D

[09:02:44]

juski:

All the Abit motherboards I've seen at work have had the caps problem. will they ever learn?

[09:03:17]

slaine_:

My brother inlaw gave me his PC to look at. Was getting hot and not starting up.

[09:03:34]

slaine_:

When I turned it on it went POP and magic blue smoke came out

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juski:

the IT dept here just wait til stuff dies

[09:05:12]

slaine_:

Forward thinking

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slaine_:

I like it

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rooaus:

juski: I saw only read your previous message? What is the issue? What do you mean you could swing for me, *again* even?

[09:08:13]

juski:

rooaus: I missed the context of the ticket – don't worry about it :)

[09:08:51]

juski:

context being the appropriate term for the theme elements in question ;)

[09:09:27]

rooaus:

ok

[09:10:14]

juski:

I really hope all these stupid little theme niggles are gonna be squashed soon. they're getting on my nerves!

[09:10:48]

rooaus:

I have had a look at implementing the <include_file src="blah"/>, still trying to work a couple things out but looks like I am getting close.

[09:11:12]

Spida:

"VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed" <- I read somewhere in a ML-archive that I have to change my xorg.conf to get real video instead of a black screen.... what do I have to change for that?

[09:11:30]

juski:

Spida: that message is only a warning message

[09:11:52]

juski:

if you don't use xvmc (i.e. if you've got ATI), or xvmc isn't enabled, don't worry about it

[09:12:27]

Spida:

But I just get a black screen instead of video for livetv, so I *DO* worry.

[09:12:43]

juski:

well, that could be any number of things

[09:12:44]

Spida:

I have a nvidia card, using the nv module.

[09:12:55]

juski:

don't use nv for nvidia

[09:12:59]

juski:

use 'nvidia'

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juski:

do you get a blank screen for a while before you get returned to the main menu?

[09:13:45]

juski:

a common problem is setting the wrong type of tuner card in mythtv-setup

[09:14:20]

juski:

or if the problem is simply that livetv basically 'works' but you see no picture, try installing the _proper_ nvidia driver & use that instead

[09:17:45]

juski:

by 'proper' I mean the binary (restricted, in ubuntu etc) driver

[09:19:41]

juski:

yes it sucks that for best results you need to use a closed source driver but I say if it works, screw the open source one til they get their act together some more

[09:19:43]

Spida:

the tuner works, I can record and watch tv from other boxes

[09:19:54]

Spida:

testing...

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Spida:

works now, thx

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juski:

np. one day I hope the nv driver will be up to snuff. until then, we can but only live in hope ;)

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Spida:

*g*

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Tanthrix:

Holy fucking huge spider batman. I am so not going to sleep ever again.

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juski:

it had your mother while you were asleep? time to call the exterminator!

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Esine:

<Tanthrix> Holy fucking huge spider batman. I am so not going to sleep ever again. <- what was that about?

[09:34:06]

Esine:

arfaid of getting nightmares of setting up mythtv?

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Tapout:

Anyone using mythtv with fta? do you get both guides working ?

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Tapout:

did you get ..

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Tanthrix:

http://novae-res.org/IMG_4033.jpg

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Tanthrix:

I have a strict anti-spider policy in my house. That goes doubly for hairy, 1.5 inch huge spiders.

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Tapout:

time to get a new cover for your outlet.. :)

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Tanthrix:

Tapout: Time to get a new house I think

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Tapout:

ya that too

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Tapout:

what kind of spider is that

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Tanthrix:

I think it's a kind of wolf spider

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Tanthrix:

Family Agelenidae likely

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slaine_:

I think wolf spiders have a fatter thorax

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slaine_:

I get lots of the above photoed ones in my place, doesn't bother me, but my wife hates them

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slaine_:

I'd rather them than lots of flys

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drindt:

what can i do when i want to fine tune my ir device and irw says cant connect?

[10:38:31]

juski:

oh god not another lirc problem

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juski:

#mythtv-users, incorporating lame hardware, tuner & lirc questions

[10:39:21]

juski:

if irw is saying it can't connect then lircd isn't running

[10:39:52]

juski:

and if lircd isn't running, something is wrong with your setup – more than likely you've not loaded the right module or there's no config information etc

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Esine:

I have lirc problems too.. basically it works, but it seems to record every one key press as two or more! makes it difficult to choose the correct options on the menus if you're skipping every other menu option

[10:40:01]

drindt:

juski: hehe yes mr. lircd running and the remote works in myth but the keymapping i want finetune

[10:40:17]

juski:

you said irw can't connect!

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juski:

if irw couldn't connect there's no way mythtv would work with the remote

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drindt:

juski: yes but lircd is definitly running the event node is present and in myth i can move up and down

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juski:

you said irw can't connect

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Esine:

drindt, check file permissions of /dev/lircd*

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drindt:

hm ok i will try again

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drindt:

Esine: the permissions from that are 777

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juski:

say what you frigging mean ffs

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drindt:

juski: fas furier?

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drindt:

juski: i found it on wiki, FFS = For Fuck's Sake

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drindt:

juski: can you tell me what it is?

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juski:

when giving information when you're trying to get help, give as much information as _clearly_ as possible and rather than way "it no worky", copy the exact error message

[10:45:09]

drindt:

juski: oke

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drindt:

i do to much things at the same time

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Esine:

I have another problem too! I bet you're all eager to help me!

[10:49:33]

Esine:

I have two computers, one that's running both the backend and a frontend (which is by the TV) and then another desktop computer that I'm planning to use as a second frontend

[10:49:57]

Esine:

I can connect to the backend and mysql running on the other computer just fine, but I can't view live tv!

[10:50:26]

Esine:

recordings and program guide all work, but mythtv-setup isn't showing any TV cards there (I see the channel info though) and livetv doesn't work

[10:50:47]

Esine:

everything works fine on the backend/frontend computer but not when connecting from this desktop..

[10:51:10]

juski:

Esine: you don't run mythtv-setup on a frontend!

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Esine:

uh oh

[10:51:27]

Esine:

then how else do I set the backend ip?

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juski:

the frontend asks you where the mysql server is the first time you run it

[10:51:55]

juski:

it finds the backend from that

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Esine:

maybe I'll just delete my ~/.mythtv and hope it works better next time

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juski:

where do you guys get your clues from?

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Esine:

hah

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Esine:

lots and lots of people seem to have had the RemoteEncoder::openControlSocket(): Connection timed out problem I described above

[11:13:08]

Esine:

I'm googling but all I can find is irc logs with no real answers...

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** stuarta waves **

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Dibblah:

If I hear "Storm Worm" one more time, I'm going to go on a kicking spree.

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Dibblah:

And now, back to your regular scheduled LIRC issues ;)

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juski:

huh? what what worm?

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Esine:

a Microsoft Windows virus according to Wikipedia

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juski:

whee I finally got this video codec board worky! damn minute solder short on the dimm socket damnit

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juski:

32 camera inputs, 500 pics/sec compression. nift

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Dibblah:

Esine: It's not a worm. It's not a virus.

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Dibblah:

It's a fscking TROJAN, FFS.

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Esine:

yeah well

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Dibblah:

Powered By Stupid People (tm)

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juski:

<whisper> I see stupid people! </whisper>

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** Daviey wonders why juski is whipsering something into the mirror :s **

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stuarta:

it's how he gets his therapy

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adante:

any aussies around using shepherd?

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** stuarta wonders what shepherd is, apart from that bloke wot watches sheep **

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juski:

epg aggregator thingy I think

[13:42:13]

djc_:

how do I tell myth to use a custom schedule grabber, as opposed to one of the 'built in' ones?

[13:42:30]

djc_:

say I have a script, '/usr/local/bin/my-own-grabber', or something

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stuarta:

it needs to support the xmltv capabilities

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stuarta:

look on the xmltv site for details on that

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djc_:

Basically, here is where I am.. I am doing some testing with mythdora in a virtual machine.. it has zap2it DD, not SD. I think there *may* be an update, but its stuck on dl.atrpms.net which has been down for days

[13:45:44]

djc_:

so I'm trying to see if I can get something else like xmltv to grab SD data, and have myth use that

[13:46:06]

djc_:

but there doesnt seem to be any option in mythtv-setup for video source for anything other than one of its pre-listed options

[13:46:22]

djc_:

and as an aside 'video source' is a horrible misnomer

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juski:

I've been saying that for ages. people are actually opposed to it changing

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djc_:

video source suggests 'source of video', not 'source of bradcast schedule data'

[13:47:02]

djc_:

it confused the crap out of me the first time I was playing with it

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juski:

yeah I bet it gets loads of people

[13:47:31]

juski:

but when people at the top oppose renaming it there's FA you can do

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djc_:

i also remember not figuring out how to add a card twice, once for its tuner, and once for say an svideo input

[13:48:00]

djc_:

the tuner having a scheduling source, and the svideo input (for say a VTR or something) not

[13:48:09]

djc_:

anyway

[13:48:31]

djc_:

how would I setup xmltv to grab SD, and then how to tell myth to use that? is there a howto on that somewhere

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juski:

your grabber has to adhere to the xmltv D2D

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djc_:

i dont really want to write a custom one

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juski:

tried looking in the wiki?

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djc_:

i want to use xmltv grabbing SD data

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juski:

you could always just update to 0.20.2 anyway

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djc_:

but assuming I get that much

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djc_:

how to I tell myth to use that,

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djc_:

where can I enter a custom entry

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djc_:

the setup just has the select/pulldown, nowhere to customize

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juski:

try looking on the mailing lists – you know – like the message you're greeted with when you join this channel suggests

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djc_:

and it has zap2it, a bunch of foreign countries, and 'none'

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juski:

wtf is it with people not fucking listening these days?

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djc_:

i cant update to anything becuase mythdora's yum repo is only on dl.atrpms.net which is down

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djc_:

I *have* looked

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djc_:

and eveything seems to assume just updating, which I cant do

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keith4:

you can make XMLTV talk to SD

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djc_:

I cant find anything about using xmltv with myth to access SD

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djc_:

ok, but then how do I tell myth to use that?

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keith4:

you tell myth to use xmltv

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keith4:

http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewforum.php?f=9

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djc_:

and where would that option be? would I set it to "zap2it", "none", or "United Kingdom (altternative)" ?

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djc_:

the 'use xmltv' option seems to be missing

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keith4:

how old is your myth?

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djc_:

im using mythdora 4

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djc_:

i cant update, becuase mythdora's only repo is down

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juski:

djc_: has it not even occurred to you that using 'none' will probably be just fine?

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djc_:

uh

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djc_:

that seems to suggest that I then have no schedule data

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juski:

then you get your xmltv grabber which uses SD to dump stuff to a file, then run mythfilldatabase --file $filename.xmltv

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juski:

it means mythbackend can't run mythfilldatabase itself of course, but that isn't a big problem

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djc_:

ok, so myth itself doesnt do that? its standalone

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djc_:

ok then. theres the missing piece

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juski:

this subject is covered nicely on the mailing lists, if you'd even bothered to look at them you'd know that

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djc_:

that doesnt seem to be explained anywhere else

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djc_:

well they apparently arent googleable

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djc_:

so they might as well not exist

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juski:

djc_: so go to gossamer threads' search thing

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juski:

and I'd bet there's even a wiki entry for it too

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CDev:

juski: Just curious if you've had a chance to test XBMC with the latest upnp changes? (I never did get a chance to load the version of XBMC that you have)

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djc_:

becuase after all, actually talking to someone that actually speaks english, as opposed to searching in a huge archive of information that has thousands of questions that use the same keywords but have nothing to do with what you are trying to do, is so much more difficult

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juski:

CDev: screw that. XBMC sucks

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CDev:

:-)

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juski:

djc_: funny enough but all this SD stuff has been covered very recently

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CDev:

juski: I just didn't want to "not follow up" with the issues you had. (I know it's been a few months)

[14:00:34]

juski:

CDev: tbh the only time I've fired up my xbox is to play games. I don't need XBMC when I've got mythfrontend on a real machine ;)

[14:01:20]

juski:

I only ever tried the upnp stuff out of sheer curiosity

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CDev:

np.

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juski:

djc_: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/285217&nbs p;– I found that by searching the archive for "xmltv schedules direct". come on – this isn't hard ffs

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floppyears:

hi guys how is it going ?

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kslater:

going well floppyears, how about for you?

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floppyears:

good, kind of grumpy about being up this early though

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Dibblah:

Hmmm. Just cleared up an almost out of disk space issue. Note to self: Must figure out a way to get sensible defaults in the recording rules.

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sam_:

some questions

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jams:

yes yes no yes google

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drindt:

i had setup my lircd with the following config http://phpfi.com/259678 can start lirc the device nodes are created successfully by udev and then i run irw but when iam pressing a key for instance 0x80010013 (see .conf) then on the screen appers a 'm' when iam pressing numbers they shown correct left and right and up and down works too but thats all. someone can help me please?

[14:59:48]

sam_:

how can i get my mythbox to record buffer (record) live tv whilst im watching something else..

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stuarta:

sam_: record it?

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sam_:

e.g. if im watching BBC and i exit livetv to play some music... i might want to rewind and see what happened whilest i was away...

[15:00:55]

Dibblah:

Record it. Press R.

[15:01:27]

sam_:

take it theres no other way..

[15:01:46]

sam_:

what about if im watching MTV and want to just record one song?

[15:01:49]

Dibblah:

Not realistically.

[15:01:58]

Dibblah:

Record it?

[15:02:00]

Dibblah:

;)

[15:02:12]

Dibblah:

Press R, then R to stop, I think.

[15:02:22]

stuarta:

to many possible issues with people walking off for 5 minutes, coming back 10 hours later to find they've consumed all their disk space

[15:02:33]

Dibblah:

I don't really use live TV, however, so I'm probably wrong.

[15:03:44]

Dibblah:

stuarta: Maybe if we did some sort of live TV buffer, used in a sort of reocurring way? Maybe we could call it a ringbuffer...

[15:03:45]

Dibblah:

;)

[15:04:28]

stuarta:

oh yeah, we've already done that ;-P

[15:04:30]

Dibblah:

sam_: Just in case you thought that was the answer to your prayers, it's not.

[15:04:45]

stuarta:

the answers is "record it" :)

[15:06:01]

sam_:

ithe whole show u mean?

[15:06:11]

sam_:

then edit later i supose?

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Dibblah:

Myth is really designed to be used as a PVR, rather than a VCR.

[15:07:13]

sam_:

hmm... pitty.. manual record is so far away..

[15:07:22]

Dibblah:

... Press R?

[15:07:29]

Dibblah:

And it records.

[15:07:30]

JosefK:

hey, has anyone here had some trouble with nuvexport complaining about a missing termcap?

[15:07:34]

JosefK:

I've set it up as one of the user jobs

[15:07:36]

sam_:

tho im sure i could wip up a patch if i spent some time in the code

[15:08:09]

sam_:

secondly i've put a DVB and an Analog or Digital Capture card in my box

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sam_:

DVB-S is working nice.. the other card has S-Video in from my Settopbox

[15:08:58]

sam_:

how do i configure channel?

[15:09:26]

sam_:

i dont need the IRBlaster for now.. just the channels

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Dibblah:

sam_: Read the documentation on mythtv.org

[15:10:01]

sam_:

i did.. theres nothing about multiple tuner cards

[15:10:03]

Dibblah:

Or just try stuff till it works. Up to you ;)

[15:10:18]

jams:

JosefK- yeah i have and it's annoying

[15:10:18]

sam_:

(indepth – i mean)

[15:10:55]

juski:

awww such a shame there's not an exhaustive case-by-case guide for every possible combination of hardware isn't it

[15:11:10]

sam_:

ok.. any world about the multiplexing project.. then i wont need both cards

[15:11:16]

jams:

JosefK- my solution was to set the TERM variable for the user job TERM=vt100 nuvexport

[15:11:18]

Dibblah:

Down, angryjuski ;)

[15:11:24]

sam_:

juski: true!

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stuarta:

sam_: there's nothing really difficult about multiple cards.

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Dibblah:

sam_: I don't think you understand what the multirec branch actually does in a DVB-* environment.

[15:12:11]

sam_:

stuarta: when its multiple DVB cards i think.. but when u're mixing with analog..

[15:12:16]

sam_:

there seems to be no info

[15:12:22]

juski:

the only real important thing to note about multiple cards is that if they're to have different channel lineups on them you're going to need a 'video source' per input

[15:12:29]

sam_:

multirec?

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Dibblah:

You'd have to be incredibly lucky for it to make much difference with one card.

[15:12:44]

sam_:

i though i did

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juski:

as for hose hybrid cards – I wouldn't lose any sleep about them. just the very concept of them sucks

[15:13:34]

juski:

oh it's DVB and a framegrabber. woohoo :-\

[15:13:36]

sam_:

juski: an example pliz?

[15:13:42]

Dibblah:

I had assumed you meant multirec when you mentioned "multiplexing".

[15:14:04]

tank-man:

my backend crashed with this in the log "*** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0xacbe379f ***" :(

[15:14:11]

Dibblah:

sam_: Go into mythtv-setup and figure it out from there ;)

[15:14:16]

juski:

sam_: well, you can't do more than one thing at a time with them, so wtf is the point? and software encoding sucks

[15:14:23]

sphery:

juski: j-rod just got a nice new DVB/hardware MPEG-2/4 encoder card. Of course, it's not even close to supported on Linux, but...

[15:14:46]

juski:

but nothing. it's not even close to being supported in linux :)

[15:14:47]

sam_:

dibblah: yes multirec.. to record/play multiple channels from the same multiplex

[15:14:53]

j-rod:

http://www.vistaview.tv/saber-da-1n1-i.html

[15:15:02]

sphery:

I think the manufacturer is hoping he (or others he knows) will do some driver work.

[15:15:22]

j-rod:

somethin' like that, yeah. :)

[15:15:30]

Dibblah:

sam_: That's the point. With 1 card, the likelyhood you'll want to record something on the same multiplex as an existing recording is small.

[15:15:38]

juski:

heh. if they're not being cagey with the chipset datasheets it'll be quite easyish for the v4l guys

[15:15:38]

sphery:

Guess that happens when you're a MythTV celeb.

[15:15:44]

j-rod:

the bridge chip is an saa7136, which at first glance, one would assume is similar to the saa7134 and saa7135...

[15:15:52]

sam_:

juski: ok so what wud i do if it was dual DVB?

[15:15:56]

sphery:

j-rod: did they give one to mkrufky ?

[15:15:58]

sam_:

im sure that would be easy..

[15:16:06]

j-rod:

but next to zero datasheets available

[15:16:14]

juski:

sam_: dual dvb – there aren't many of them around.

[15:16:16]

Dibblah:

sam_: What are you actually having trouble with?

[15:16:26]

gbee:

Dibblah: would call it small, but I would still want at least two tuners

[15:16:32]

juski:

and all hybrid cards are a waste of space IMHO

[15:16:34]

gbee:

s/would/wouldn't/

[15:16:36]

j-rod:

sphery: no, they actually didn't give me one (directly) either

[15:16:47]

sphery:

Oh. Someone else, then.

[15:16:48]

j-rod:

they gave 'em to a buddy who runs htpcug.org

[15:17:01]

j-rod:

he passed one on to me, to see what could be done w/it under linux

[15:17:02]

sam_:

Dibblah: DVB+S plus framegrabber

[15:17:10]

juski:

gimme *multiple* tuners on one card, not multi-choice

[15:17:20]

juski:

sam_: so it's good for dvb-s then

[15:17:21]

sphery:

juski: that's what this one is

[15:17:32]

sphery:

can use both DVD and analog simultaneously

[15:17:34]

Dibblah:

gbee: The scheduling parts of it still worry me. LiveTV / user interaction makes for interesting non-repeatable behavior.

[15:17:43]

j-rod:

but yeah, the saa7136 bridge chip is pretty much completely unsupported, and looks to actually be closer to the 717x series than the saa7134/5

[15:17:46]

sam_:

juski: yes..

[15:17:57]

juski:

for analogue get a pvr150

[15:18:04]

juski:

seriously worth the £40

[15:18:12]

j-rod:

juski: yeah, this has one analog input and one digital input, can be used independently

[15:18:18]

Dibblah:

sam_: If you set up one DVB card, you can set up a seperate analog card easily. Just go through the same process.

[15:18:18]

sphery:

juski's advice, though, is right. It's definitely the way to go.

[15:18:28]

sam_:

i think the one i have has HW Encoding too..

[15:18:31]

sphery:

two separate cards--one for digital, one for analog.

[15:18:32]

j-rod:

analog even has a hardware mpeg2 *and* mpeg4 encoder

[15:18:37]

juski:

j-rod: that'll be nice when they support it in linux

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gbee:

Dibblah: well I've yet to test the branch so I can't comment there, and I rarely use livetv :)

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sam_:

ok... will giv it another try..

[15:18:52]

sphery:

j-rod: just need to get your buddy to donate one to mkrufky ... ;)

[15:18:52]

Dibblah:

gbee: It's not the devs I'm worried about.

[15:18:53]

juski:

sam_: nah it doesn't have an mpeg encoder

[15:19:11]

j-rod:

sphery: he's already helping me w/prodding the one I've got. :)

[15:19:12]

mkrufky:

j-rod: it actually looks a lot like the 7162 PCIe card, based on its capabilities, but in a PCI form factor

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juski:

even if it did, there are no dvb/analogue cards with hardware encoders supported in linux yet

[15:19:33]

mkrufky:

juski: wrong

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sam_:

juski: hey when im watching livetv and browse some channels during an Ad-break and come back later..

[15:19:43]

juski:

the hvr1300 works now?

[15:19:53]

mkrufky:

juski: hvr1300 has DVB-T plus cx88-blackbird cx23416 analog mpeg encoder

[15:20:01]

j-rod:

mkrufky: that would make some sense

[15:20:02]

mkrufky:

it's worked for months and months and months

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sam_:

juski: what happens when i decide to record later?

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sphery:

Cool... I figured you and mkrufky don't have enough on your plates, so it's good that you have a new pet project. :)

[15:20:21]

mkrufky:

juski: and Hauppauge has a bunch of COMBO analog / digital cards coming out

[15:20:22]

j-rod:

sphery: :)

[15:20:29]

mkrufky:

(combo != hybrid)

[15:20:32]

Dibblah:

Is the cx2341x still in production, then?

[15:20:45]

juski:

heh. pays me to keep up to speed with the lists then

[15:20:51]

mkrufky:

afaik, the '415 and '416 are not

[15:20:58]

juski:

if I'd known the hvr1300 worked a while back I woulda picked one up

[15:21:12]

sam_:

hey when im watching livetv and browse some channels during an Ad-break and come back later..

[15:21:15]

Dibblah:

Seems odd for a device that's so unmaintained (hardware / firmware interaction wise)

[15:21:16]

sam_:

what happens when i decide to record later?

[15:21:27]

mkrufky:

i dont know if mythtv supports the 1300 though... due to wierdness in the card setup stuff

[15:21:44]

stuarta:

sam_: generally that decision is left to myth

[15:21:46]

Dibblah:

sam_: Try it and see...

[15:22:04]

juski:

sam_: if the time between changing channels is under 2 mins, it'll get expired straight away

[15:22:07]

sam_:

ok.. thx

[15:22:13]

juski:

livetv .. pfft!

[15:22:33]

sam_:

yikes!

[15:22:33]

stuarta:

i don't need no stinking livetv

[15:22:38]

gbee:

well there is "works" and there is "works", the Nova-T 500 has worked for months, but until lately I wouldn't have recommended it because it didn't really work ;)

[15:22:39]

stuarta:

that's what my TV is for!

[15:23:08]

sphery:

What's this livetv thing you all are talking about? :)

[15:23:14]

stuarta:

dunno :)

[15:23:15]

juski:

IMHO mythtv should just ditch livetv & have a secret (tuner test) function

[15:23:26]

stuarta:

hahahahaha!

[15:23:30]

sphery:

Oooh. And easter egg..

[15:23:31]

sam_:

LiveTV from the MythTV Menu

[15:23:42]

sam_:

not an easter-egg

[15:23:46]

juski:

nah

[15:23:58]

sphery:

sam_: I was joking. I just never use LiveTV.

[15:23:59]

juski:

an easter egg invokable only by a secret command

[15:23:59]

orthoevra:

mythtv works great no my F7 laptop just 2 things im hoping someone can help with i have been cruzing wikis, and google, etc.. but so far no luck. 1. channel icon scripts broken? and 2. why is the time off by a few hours in my program guide? tnx :)

[15:24:03]

Dibblah:

sam_: You're not up with sarcasm, are you? ;)

[15:24:07]

sam_:

juski: No way.. then it wudnt be MythTV

[15:24:17]

juski:

yes it would. mythtv is a pvr

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sam_:

its wud be like the lame AppleTV

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juski:

seriously in the time you save by not wasting your life sitting there like a fsking vegetable you can be of use with other stuff

[15:24:43]

stuarta:

sam_: you haven't used mythtv for very long have you?

[15:24:44]

Dibblah:

'its wud'? What is this world coming to?

[15:24:47]

sphery:

juski: Yeah. In main menu, hit chanup, chandown, volup, voldown, 4, 2, ffwd, rew and LiveTV starts up.

[15:24:57]

mkrufky:

yeah i think mythtv's idea of "hybrid" cards assumes that it's dvb + raw analog ..... i think that if you want to support the hvr1300, you have to set it up as two separate devices

[15:25:30]

orthoevra:

mkrufky: u r correct, i have a hybrid usb card thats exactly how myth sees it

[15:25:32]

juski:

mkrufky: that's what I mean – I can't see how they'd be of any use if you can't use both at the same time anyway

[15:25:35]

stuarta:

sam_: after using myth for a while you'll notice you don't use livetv for anything but testing cards.

[15:26:04]

j-rod:

mkrufky: so yeah, looking at the saa717x driver in ivtv's svn, certainly doesn't appear to be a bridge chip

[15:26:07]

Dibblah:

Or girlfriends.

[15:26:08]

sphery:

I should use LiveTV for the first time in 10 months today... Need to rescan my channels.

[15:26:20]

mkrufky:

orthoevra: well, mythtv HAS to see it that way, since your hybrid usb device isn't a hardware mpeg encoder, anyway :-P

[15:26:25]

sam_:

stuarta: its actually been quite nice.. I've set it up for my wife to use

[15:26:27]

Dibblah:

Not testing GFs, I mean. It's not very good at that.

[15:26:28]

orthoevra:

true true

[15:26:29]

stuarta:

Dibblah: Girlfriends or livetv?

[15:26:39]

mkrufky:

juski: good point... i dont think i would ever use the analog encoder instead of dvb receiver

[15:26:48]

sam_:

they've been using it for the past 2weeks to watch all their TV

[15:26:56]

Dibblah:

Both of them?

[15:27:01]

mkrufky:

j-rod: maybe hans will show up in #v4l ... he'll know more about it

[15:27:10]

mkrufky:

j-rod: i'll ask him when he shows up

[15:27:24]

sam_:

the only think now is if only i could stream/share my UPNP library from my laptop and watch them on Myth

[15:27:38]

j-rod:

mkrufky: cool (btw, http://ivtvdriver.org/trac/browser/ivtv/trunk . . . s/saa717x.c)

[15:28:01]

orthoevra:

program guide.. y cant i find a setting in myth's setup to adjust the time offset? channel icons... is this feature temp broken now that zap2it is going away?

[15:28:22]

sam_:

we have a windows box with Nero7 and use NeroLive to watch recorded movies from myth over wifi

[15:28:24]

sam_:

nice

[15:28:35]

juski:

:-\

[15:28:38]

orthoevra:

sam: should be able to, myth does have upnp support

[15:28:44]

juski:

nero's 'cinema' thing sucks

[15:28:55]

orthoevra:

although i hate upnp because you cant pause

[15:28:58]

juski:

very very crashy

[15:29:04]

sam_:

i knw it sucks but the UI gotta admit is way kool!

[15:29:05]

juski:

you can pause of ocurse

[15:29:12]

juski:

the UI sucks

[15:29:13]

mkrufky:

ah, thanks j-rod

[15:29:16]

orthoevra:

juski: i find its the ONLY one out that actually plays everything you throw at it tho

[15:29:18]

Dibblah:

myth has upnp _server_ side support.

[15:29:27]

Dibblah:

The client isn't hooked up yet.

[15:29:30]

orthoevra:

juski: i cant pause.. i can onlyplay and stop (xvid)

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sphery:

orthoevra: Channel icons is not broken. See http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/286238#286238 (I just posted more info to that thread).

[15:29:45]

juski:

you crazy kids – fawning over nero & linuxmce. pfft :-\

[15:29:49]

sam_:

and it can minimize video while u listen to music and vice-versa

[15:29:59]

juski:

wooo look it has shiny buttons!!!!

[15:30:13]

sam_:

juski: hehehe!

[15:30:15]

sam_:

LOL

[15:30:16]

gbee:

but juski! it's shiny!

[15:30:21]

orthoevra:

spherry: ah thanks i was using some svn stuff and commands from the wiki this klook different

[15:30:29]

Dibblah:

Is anyone actually going to put mfd out of it's misery?

[15:30:38]

juski:

it spins on a cube! looks0r!

[15:30:40]

mkrufky:

j-rod: what's up with the saa7114 naming in there??!?

[15:30:46]

sam_:

cant wait for mf

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orthoevra:

shiny buttons? nero? not the way i install it, i hate all that "wizard" junk

[15:30:48]

sam_:

cant wait for mfd

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gbee:

Dibblah: I want to, but I'm afraid that it might upset a few people

[15:31:03]

j-rod:

mkrufky: I believe that file started life as a clone of the saa7114/5 code

[15:31:05]

juski:

gbee: go on – upset a few people :D

[15:31:11]

Dibblah:

Why? When was the last non-compile break fix?

[15:31:13]

sam_:

hey nerolive suck but SageTV does the PVR thing beta..

[15:31:15]

juski:

if they care enough let them fork it

[15:31:28]

stuarta:

so what else can we replace mfd's functionality with?

[15:31:35]

sphery:

orthoevra: As far as time offset for program guide, there's a setting, but it's probably not what you need. The new description in trunk explains its use.

[15:31:38]

sphery:

orthoevra: Used if the XMLTV data comes from a different timezone than your own. This adjust the times in the XMLTV EPG data to compensate. 'Auto' converts the XMLTV time to local time using your computer's timezone. 'None' ignores the XMLTV timezone, interpreting times as local.

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mkrufky:

j-rod: oh, okay

[15:31:52]

juski:

mfd has functionality? I thought it was little but a concept anyway

[15:31:52]

sam_:

..but myth best!

[15:32:04]

Dibblah:

stuarta: netjack FTW :)

[15:32:07]

gbee:

stuarta: use the upnp functionality in the backend to serve the content to the frontend

[15:32:11]

sam_:

juski: so what did u say about multirec branch?

[15:32:12]

stuarta:

juski: ever tried to rip a dvd?

[15:32:24]

gbee:

stuarta: that's mtd?

[15:32:26]

juski:

stuarta: I thought that was mtd, not mfd

[15:32:35]

sam_:

gbee: can u do that already wit myth?

[15:32:35]

stuarta:

hrm. probably

[15:32:47]

mkrufky:

j-rod: i concur ... def not a bridge driver... i guess this is used in place of an saa7115 or conexant video decoder

[15:32:51]

orthoevra:

spherry: well the situation is this: grabbing guide data from schedules direct for my zip code, computer time is correct, but guide is off by a few hours

[15:33:05]

juski:

mfd is for people with short little spans of attention who want to listen to the lame music & watch tv at the same time

[15:33:05]

gbee:

mythtranscode daemon, as opposed to mythfrontend daemon (basically a backend for music)

[15:33:09]

Dibblah:

mythfrontenddaemon, AFAIK.

[15:33:24]

Dibblah:

And that's what I was meaning to shoot inna head.

[15:33:27]

sphery:

orthoevra: The channel icons info just resets your iconmap, then (assuming your channels are in the new iconmap), mfdb will automatically download them on the next run.

[15:33:42]

JosefK:

jams, ah, thanks – I was going to try wrapping it in a bash script, but I'll try that first

[15:33:50]

gbee:

sam_: recordings yes, but not music and downloaded videos which have to be shared across the network using NFS/Samba

[15:34:03]

juski:

and photos

[15:34:08]

sam_:

juski: i can see some nice use-cases for mfd

[15:34:08]

juski:

don't forget the photos

[15:34:09]

sphery:

orthoevra: gbee may be the best person to ask about the EPG time offset because he is the one that looked into (and changed) the description.

[15:34:13]

j-rod:

mkrufky: so anyone heard from richard dale lately? :) (I think that was the guy working on saa7162)

[15:34:22]

mkrufky:

ha!

[15:34:41]

mkrufky:

*is* he the guy?

[15:34:44]

jams:

JosefK- you still might need to use a wrapperscript with the TERM.

[15:34:44]

gbee:

sphery: heh, can't remember what I did yesterday, let alone last week ;)

[15:34:48]

mkrufky:

there's another "the guy"

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sam_:

playing some music while waiting for a program to start...

[15:34:57]

sphery:

orthoevra: Though, from my understanding, it shouldn't be required on any properly configured system unless you're pulling data from a zip code that's in a different time zone.

[15:35:14]

sphery:

gbee: I guess I'm not the only one. :)

[15:35:31]

sam_:

and finally having a proper radio frontend.. and recording to my mythmusic library :-)

[15:35:32]

orthoevra:

sphery: interesting... i have an updated iconmap xml file but when i manually run mfdb it does nothing just gives the "nothing to do" messages and exits, i also tried another perl script that is supposed to "do it all" but it errors out on line 94 :)

[15:35:59]

Dibblah:

sam_: You're getting into dangerous territory unless you have patches at hand ;)

[15:35:59]

juski:

mythtv should have virtual decks so you can cue & scratch the next track with an accelerometer equipped remote. I can't code but I think somebody should get on it NOW

[15:36:07]

juski:

;)

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sam_:

nice chatting guys.. of to enjoy some tv

[15:36:18]

gbee:

it shouldn't be required, it's really only used for xmltv users who are pulling down guide data from a different timezone, not really relevant for DD

[15:36:22]

orthoevra:

sphery: no biggy for now ill manually setup recording times till i get it figured out

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sam_:

Dinnlah: im hopping to have some patches for a few things.. at the moment the most important to me is multirec

[15:36:49]

JosefK:

jams, it's annoying 'cause it's hard to test too – I'm hoping this has cracked it anyway, cheers

[15:36:53]

orthoevra:

gbee: something is odd then because im pulling the data from my own local zip code

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** juski finds a RH certified admin job 5 miles from home on £29k **

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sphery:

orthoevra: is the perl script mkiconmap.pl?

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sam_:

cant aford 4 separate mythboxes or 4 DVB cards

[15:37:24]

orthoevra:

sphery: that was the first one i tried, then i tried one from an svn checkout

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sphery:

orthoevra: usually the time offset problem is due to improper system configuration--i.e. your time zone is only "partially" configured, so it looks right (with date or whatever), but it's not.

[15:38:10]

orthoevra:

sphery: hmm ill try and "reset" my timezone on the machine and see if that helps

[15:38:12]

juski:

sam_: pick up mythfm but write it so it's not lame & doesn't get rejected by the devs – and therefore can become an official plugin ;)

[15:38:19]

sphery:

orthoevra: which one errored out? The svn checkout of channel_icons.pl should error out on a 0.20-fixes install (which is missing important stuff).

[15:38:32]

sphery:

orthoevra: if mkiconmap.pl errors out, we need to fix it.

[15:38:41]

orthoevra:

yeah it was channel_icons.pl on line 94 im using 20.2

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sam_:

Dibblah: what of streaming the whole multiplex like Kaffeine does and then connecting to the stream from mythtv..

[15:38:56]

gbee:

orthoevra: unless it's moved, in mythtv-setup -> General -> Locale Settings (second page)

[15:38:59]

juski:

sam_: you can do that -look in the wiki

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sphery:

orthoevra: OK. Sorry, we can't fix that. 0.20.2 is missing stuff needed to support channel_icons.pl.

[15:39:05]

gbee:

just make sure it's set to None

[15:39:12]

orthoevra:

mkiconmap.pl built a good xml file but running the miport command into mfdb seems to do nothing and no icons are showing up

[15:39:28]

orthoevra:

sphery: ah ic now! :)

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sam_:

juski: sure.. where is mythfm source? SVN?

[15:39:49]

sphery:

orthoevra: but, reset your iconmap using the command in the post I gave you, then wait until the next time time mfdb runs, and it should get icons for you.

[15:39:49]

juski:

hahaha our 'camera fail' graphic is still a picture of a camera in a crossed-out circle. as in 'no cameras allowed' duh!

[15:40:04]

juski:

sam_: it's out there somewhere. nowhere near svn or mythtv.org though

[15:40:06]

gbee:

sam_: no, it was a third party plugin – no idea where you'll find it

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sphery:

orthoevra: running mfdb manually after resetting iconmap is likely to do nothing (because of an issue in 0.20.2, that's being fixed in packages from most packagers).

[15:40:33]

juski:

dvb radio is great :D

[15:40:39]

orthoevra:

sphery: i will give that a shot, i did the import command and the reset icon map switches, so ill just wait a bit and see if it shows up on next auto mfdb run

[15:40:46]

juski:

no need to mess with shitty 3rd party plugins either

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sphery:

orthoevra: Cool. I'll be posting more info on the channel icons stuff once I get xris to update a couple of files for me...

[15:41:15]

orthoevra:

thanks for all yr help guys, this is why i love open source stuffs

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gbee:

anyone producing a DAB card?

[15:41:22]

janneg:

j-rod: Manu Abraham worked on it. afaik Richard Dale tried only to get drivers/data out ouf philips

[15:41:31]

sam_:

juski: hey u said the kaffein client is in wiki where?

[15:41:45]

juski:

sam_: not a kaffiene client

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janneg:

gbee: someone has to as linux has drivers

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stuarta:

gbee: not that i know of, not much point

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orthoevra:

is the stupid weather stuff still being "fixed" i see lots of old posts about it being broken and worked on but no new info

[15:41:59]

juski:

gbee: none that I know of

[15:42:13]

juski:

DAB is deprecated anyway

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juski:

it'll soon be all about DRM & DAB+

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stuarta:

mp1 is pretty crap

[15:42:42]

juski:

DAB+ is gonna be mpeg4 IIRC

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stuarta:

why?

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j-rod:

janneg: ah, I was just about to ask around in #linuxtv, cool

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juski:

dunno about DRM – that's just weird

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juski:

stuarta: space

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juski:

space/bandwidth

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stuarta:

~= $$$$

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janneg:

gbee: http://wwwbode.cs.tum.edu/Par/arch/dab/

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gbee:

janneg: thanks

[15:43:37]

janneg:

but that's only a do it yourself device

[15:44:03]

sphery:

orthoevra: In 0.20.2, MythWeather is not built by default because it's broken. Most packagers seem to be building the broken one, anyway.

[15:44:13]

sam_:

juski: so what did u mean.. what if i can multiplex a stream from dvbstream.. any hope for MythTV client?

[15:44:35]

sphery:

orthoevra: But the new "working" one in trunk needs some TLC and is unlikely to appear in any 0.20 release, so you'll probably first see it again in 0.21.

[15:44:37]

gbee:

going to upset a few people if those DAB radios they've been hard-selling for the last 3/4 years are made useless overnight

[15:45:12]

juski:

gbee: not half as much as switching off FM will piss people off

[15:45:17]

orthoevra:

sphery: thats what i noticed.. just wondering if it was totally given up on.. looking forward to 0.21 i have friends lined up that want me to help them install mythtv now

[15:45:21]

** gbee is giving it a lot of loving **

[15:45:38]

sphery:

gbee is putting in more than his share of effort on MythWeather...

[15:45:45]

juski:

gbee: sound quality of DAB really really sucks badly on the music stations

[15:46:40]

gbee:

juski: I dunno, sure it will upset people, but it's been on the cards for a long time – they've been pushing DAB as the replacement, so to kill off DAB just as it's reached widespread adoption seems stupid

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sphery:

juski: but it will sound a lot better to the masses after an "upgrade" to MPEG-4. (4 > 2, therefore, it sounds better :)

[15:47:15]

juski:

sphery: but all the radios on sale won't be able to cope with it. they'll *all* be junk!

[15:47:24]

juski:

all the ones on sale now I mean

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gbee:

juski: can't say I've noticed, better than FM ever seemed to be

[15:47:52]

sphery:

Yep. Like the US satellite companies switching to MPEG-4 and making all the (user-owned) STB's obsolete.

[15:47:58]

juski:

gbee: listen on good speakers / hifi headphones

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juski:

sounds swishy & squishy, kinda like music on a mobile phone link but not as bad

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sphery:

juski: I'd need to use your ears, too. (Mine don't discriminate between good or bad audio.)

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juski:

heh. puzzles me how punters in bars/clubs can't spot tinny, clipped audio

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gbee:

juski: ahh, well that's what I've got my mp3's for, don't expect perfect quality from radio and tbh that's probably why they are talking about DRM if they increase the quality

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juski:

Digital Radio Mondiale, not Digital Rongs Management

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gbee:

if they think that people downloading illegally ripped music is bad, how are they going to feel when everyone is getting CD quality music recorded direct from their radios?

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juski:

they're getting shot of AM radio too

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juski:

DRM will replace AM

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gbee:

ahh, hmm, ok ....

[15:50:32]

juski:

digital, CD bandwidth audio in a 4khz channel or so

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juski:

radio hams are using it & getting the kind of range only previously possible with morse code

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juski:

they've obv. not heard of IRC though ;)

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juski:

anyway.. I was wondering about my ole psion wavefinder the other day, pondering if it's even had a sniff of support in linux

[15:53:28]

Ryushin:

Well, after putting it off for three months, I upgraded SVN last week, updated to the latest debian testing, and the latest nvidia driver. Now the front end is locking up every couple of days. Just great.

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gbee:

probably the driver

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Ryushin:

Yea, that was maybe my thinking. I'm trying to downgrade the nvidia driver right now.

[15:56:07]

Ryushin:

You know, sometimes I really need to freaking read what I type. Sometimes I have two trains of thought and they merge together.

[15:57:04]

Ryushin:

Well, it looks like 2.6.22 doesn't like nvidia version 9755.

[15:57:24]

Ryushin:

I guess I'll have to use the newer version after all.

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fer_:

jusky doesn't realize sthe summer is over !

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juski:

fer_ can't even spell my 5 letter nick. I pity him

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fer_:

:)

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fer_:

juski, no. it's true.. the summer is over...

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fer_:

juski, I'm in the south of europe...

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iamlindoro:

fer, if you're in the norther hemisphere, it's still summer...

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juski:

yeah well it's sure gonna be warmer & more sunny on Zachynthos than in Manchester, UK

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iamlindoro:

Astronomical Autumn begins 20 of September, Meteorological Autumn begins 1st of September

[16:27:13]

iamlindoro:

regardless, summer's *not* over ;)

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juski:

regardless of whether summer is over or not, there are much nicer places than the UK to be right now

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fer_:

next year, try this: http://valedolobo.com/home/

[16:32:06]

fer_:

come in late june

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fer_:

you won't believe it untill you see it....

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juski:

portugal? hmm maybe

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fer_:

and believe me... it's goooood...

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juski:

might just go back to Antibes :)

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fer_:

juski, please send me a pm.

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orthoevra:

OK status update on program guide timezone issue: proper timezone set on computer, and i had to set offset to +0800 and do mythfilldatabase --refresh-all (just running mfdb does not work)

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orthoevra:

so now my guide is correct :)

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orthoevra:

still no channel icons but thats trivial

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floppyears:

orthoevra: there's a script that you can use to get the icons

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orthoevra:

yeah.. i can build the xml file but mfdb doesnt do anything with it

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floppyears:

the way I got my icons working. after having run mfd, I used the script that came with my copy of mythtv from svn and the script took care of downloading the icons

[16:56:50]

orthoevra:

apparently in version .20.2 that script wont work tho

[16:56:55]

orthoevra:

so i have to wait for .21

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floppyears:

oh

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floppyears:

yeah, I'm runnning the dev version of what will eventually become .21

[16:58:01]

orthoevra:

yeah i am anxiously awaiting .21 the repo i use updates fast so it should have rpms shortly after .21 is ready

[16:58:42]

orthoevra:

in my .20.2 everything is working 100% now except weather (of course) and channel icons both of which should work in .21

[16:59:26]

iamlindoro:

Can't you still make channel icons work the old way, ie with the xml file and mythfilldatabase?

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orthoevra:

i can make the file, and i can run the mfdb command but no icons show up

[17:00:15]

orthoevra:

mythfilldatabase --import-icon-map iconmap.xml --update-icon-map runs really fast but no icons :(

[17:02:09]

iamlindoro:

orthoevra: Have you checked this out? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/286238

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iamlindoro:

looks like that guy got the icon maps working in .20.2 with that method

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ron_o:

can the mythtv box be in another room? The thing is this computer can be a mythtv box because it has plenty of power to spare, but it's in another room.

[17:04:05]

iamlindoro:

ron, sure... you can either run long cables to your display or use that machine as a backend and put a small, silent frontend in your display room

[17:04:12]

ron_o:

I'm guessing it can if I can find cables long enough..

[17:04:30]

ron_o:

you mean network it?

[17:04:46]

iamlindoro:

My system is in a different room, with cables run in the walls to sexy wall plates next to my projector

[17:05:08]

ron_o:

how do you control mythtv? Remote?

[17:05:15]

ron_o:

or all via the computer.

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iamlindoro:

ron, yes, mythtv is designed to support that setup... a large backend does all the work in a closet somewhere, then the frontend streams everything from it

[17:05:28]

iamlindoro:

either remote or keyboard/mouse

[17:05:58]

orthoevra:

i use a laptop as my mythbox and stream everything to it via wireless it works great, even playing PSX games over network

[17:06:20]

ron_o:

I'll look into it. Thanks... It's just that I almost have everything but a few items to get it setup and all. And it'd be neat for the family to watch want they want that's recorded or watch tv when the cables out.

[17:06:44]

iamlindoro:

yup

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iamlindoro:

Plus having your whole DVD library accessible from one frontend

[17:07:16]

iamlindoro:

And music, photos, video games, etc.

[17:07:40]

ron_o:

yah.. man. Or my VHS stuff, which would take more work.. but it's doable.

[17:07:44]

iamlindoro:

And you can have a frontend in every room all accessing the same tuners, files, etc. from one backend in a closet somewhere

[17:08:05]

ron_o:

sounds great. I'll look into the frontend and how to set it up.

[17:08:25]

ron_o:

to me this is the real "wow" factor of linux. Not compiz-fusion stuff.

[17:08:26]

iamlindoro:

ok... but remember that you need at least one backend

[17:08:56]

iamlindoro:

and the backend/frontend can be the same machine

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ron_o:

i've got a new fendagled, over the top core2duo just a sitting here yawning at my present cpu cycles..

[17:12:00]

iamlindoro:

orthoevra: Did you catch that link I pasted? Any chance that will solve you iconmap trouble?

[17:12:06]

iamlindoro:

seems like that would do it

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orthoevra:

iamlindoro: yeah it does the same thing, i run grab the xml file, run the command and still no icons

[17:14:13]

orthoevra:

no errors

[17:14:49]

iamlindoro:

any you ran perl mkiconmap.pl in the contrib directory too, right?

[17:14:55]

orthoevra:

its no big deal i can wait for .21

[17:14:59]

orthoevra:

yeah

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orthoevra:

tried that first

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orthoevra:

and it does create a valid xml file with the proper data in it

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iamlindoro:

hrm...

[17:15:34]

iamlindoro:

Any you're using schedulesdirect, right?

[17:15:38]

orthoevra:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

strange! Seems like it should work

[17:15:57]

orthoevra:

it seems like a problem with mfdb to me

[17:16:09]

orthoevra:

after running the command to import the xml file its just a quick "nothing to do" type of messge

[17:17:15]

iamlindoro:

I think (because my lineup was really spotty in terms of which icons I got) I ended up finding nice, hi res icons for each and every one of my channels and inserting them manually... I found it was better for me because the ones it downloads are pretty ugly

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iamlindoro:

And I only got 15–20 of my lineup the automated way

[17:17:46]

iamlindoro:

now I have better looking ones and have all my channels covered

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orthoevra:

mythfilldatabase --import-icon-map ./master_iconmap.xml --reset-icon-map

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orthoevra:

2007-08–30 10:14:14.295 Using runtime prefix = /usr

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orthoevra:

2007-08–30 10:14:14.302 New DB connection, total: 1

[17:18:42]

orthoevra:

2007-08–30 10:14:14.307 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost

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orthoevra:

then it says marking repeats found 0 unmarking new episodes found 0

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orthoevra:

and mfdb run complete

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iamlindoro:

If you're brave you can just insert them manually

[17:20:09]

orthoevra:

iamlindoro: did u just dump your icons in .mythtv/icons/ and then edit the DB tables?

[17:20:16]

iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

It's been a while though

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orthoevra:

sounds easy enough do u remember which table?

[17:20:43]

orthoevra:

i am a mysql dba for bank of america :) so it should be easy

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iamlindoro:

I don't (It's been a year or so) but I'm sure someone else here does

[17:20:58]

orthoevra:

i can dig around its prob easy to find

[17:21:03]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, I did

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iamlindoro:

just messing around I managed to find it so I'm confident you can

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orthoevra:

luckily i only have about 8 channels :)

[17:21:36]

iamlindoro:

plus, you can get the icons you want and get nice hi res ones

[17:21:45]

iamlindoro:

I had 82, that was a pain, hahaha

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orthoevra:

ouch!

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orthoevra:

im just using OTA HD so not much

[17:22:09]

iamlindoro:

but I just went to google images, searched for stuff like "Animal Planet", found a pic I liked, and used that

[17:22:20]

iamlindoro:

the ones I find scale much nicer when shown in the OSD

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orthoevra:

cool.. imna go try that now

[17:22:27]

g3k:

iamlindoro: where do these icons show up?

[17:22:31]

iamlindoro:

good luck

[17:22:38]

iamlindoro:

in the program guide and the OSD when tuning channels

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iamlindoro:

and mythweb's listings

[17:22:58]

jams:

bank of america uses mysql...that explains alot

[17:23:31]

orthoevra:

bofa uses everything.. oracle, m$sql, mysql, db2

[17:24:56]

iamlindoro:

oh, one more tip, I found that you really want absolutely square channel icons, so if you make/find your own, use GIMP to paste them into a square file and same that... rectangular ones get scaled funkily

[17:25:10]

orthoevra:

gotcha

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iamlindoro:

that is to say, stretched

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iamlindoro:

er save that

[17:27:34]

iamlindoro:

ack, my typing is sketchy today... must be all the crack

[17:27:42]

orthoevra:

lol

[17:30:14]

adante:

has the mythfilldatabase/time offset/whatever changed recently?

[17:30:29]

orthoevra:

heheh i just wrestled mine

[17:30:48]

adante:

i updated to the latest svn, my guide data is now being inserted without the right offset

[17:30:53]

adante:

well without any offset it seems

[17:31:17]

orthoevra:

i had to +0800 mine for PST and then run mfdb with the --refresh-all switch

[17:31:36]

iamlindoro:

adante: have you tried edit that setting in mythtv-setup (The time offset)

[17:32:05]

iamlindoro:

(just trying to eliminate the obvious)

[17:32:12]

orthoevra:

dont suppose anyone can give me measurements of a channel icon?

[17:32:30]

iamlindoro:

Orthoevra, mine vary, I think it will take just about anything

[17:32:34]

orthoevra:

k

[17:32:35]

iamlindoro:

just make it square

[17:33:05]

adante:

iamlindoro: not really heh

[17:33:43]

iamlindoro:

adante: Yeah, you can edit the offset in mythtv-setup... don't recall which section because I'm not in front of my myth box, but that may set you right

[17:34:03]

orthoevra:

its in the genral section

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orthoevra:

3rd page in

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iamlindoro:

there ya go

[17:35:28]

adante:

yeah ok.. i'm just curious because it used to be working fine.. updated to svn and hello all the program times are out of wack

[17:35:31]

iamlindoro:

may or may not need a mythfilldatabase --refresh-all after that

[17:35:39]

adante:

also not in front of my myth box at the moment, so can't check :]

[17:35:40]

iamlindoro:

did you also switch to Schedules Direct?

[17:35:50]

adante:

iamlindoro: nah, in australia

[17:35:53]

iamlindoro:

I see

[17:35:58]

iamlindoro:

hrm, well worth a shot anyway

[17:36:45]

orthoevra:

great site for channel icons-> http://www.satlogo.com/hi-res/

[17:37:02]

iamlindoro:

besides, if you updated to SVN, depending on which version you updated from, you at least have delicious new features to play with

[17:37:19]

iamlindoro:

I get a no permission to access that link

[17:37:47]

orthoevra:

ooh try this http://www.satlogo.com/hi-res/a_1.html

[17:37:52]

iamlindoro:

yeah, found it :)

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iamlindoro:

yeah, those aren't bad

[17:38:16]

iamlindoro:

I might have to go back through my own

[17:39:14]

orthoevra:

does mythtv auto resize the squares to fit where needed? or do i also have to make it a certain sized square?

[17:39:22]

adante:

delicious new features or delicious new confusion!

[17:39:36]

iamlindoro:

Anecdotally, orthoevra, just square will do it, myth handles the resizing

[17:39:43]

orthoevra:

ok .. here goes

[17:39:48]

iamlindoro:

'cause they're teeny in Program guide and mythweb, but large in the OSD

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iamlindoro:

so I went with hi res otherwise the OSD is uuuuugly

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orthoevra:

ill make mine 120x120 and see how that goes

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iamlindoro:

adante: personally, love the new "slingboxish" flash streaming, as I was upgrading from .20-fixes

[17:45:50]

iamlindoro:

new sexiness

[17:46:11]

sphery:

ron_o: I put my Myth boxes (2 backends, 1 frontend) in the room on the other side of the wall behind my TV and drilled a hole through the wall for the cables. Works great.

[17:46:16]

iamlindoro:

Mythweather, on the other hand, makes the baby jesus cry

[17:46:39]

sphery:

ron_o: I'm using an RF remote, but I still put the receiver in the room with the TV (more centralized, so better reception from other rooms).

[17:46:49]

adante:

iamlindoro: alas, that doesn't work for me :[

[17:46:56]

iamlindoro:

the flash streaming?

[17:47:06]

iamlindoro:

What's it doing?

[17:47:24]

adante:

iamlindoro: hm, nothing :]

[17:47:29]

ron_o:

mine is going to be around 20 ft. or more away from the TV in another room. Maybe even longer when you consider I'd be running down one wall and under the house to where the TV is.

[17:47:33]

sphery:

ron_o: Just be careful. With long distance runs, HDMI or DVI are likely to have issues. VGA is more robust at distance (yes, analog works better for that), but you're still better off with as short a run as possible.

[17:48:01]

iamlindoro:

adante, what do you see where the flash app should be running? Any sort of error feedback or anything?

[17:48:19]

gbee:

current flash streaming is just proof of concept really, relying on a spawned ffmpeg process is always going to be a little dodgy, but when it works, it works really well

[17:48:24]

pooyak:

Hi there

[17:48:35]

iamlindoro:

You go Mythweb -> recorded programs -> Click on the icon of a program, right?

[17:48:38]

sphery:

orthoevra: Those are the icons used by the new iconmap that you imported.

[17:48:47]

adante:

iamlindoro: um, yeah can see flash window, when i click play, it goes black and nothing happens

[17:48:50]

gbee:

used it to watch recordings on my myth box from a hotel room before now

[17:48:52]

pooyak:

What do you think of buying a WinTV-GO-Plus (http://www.atic.ca/index.php?page=LongDesc&sku=33019) for use with mythtv?

[17:49:06]

iamlindoro:

adante, ah, I see, perhaps compile ffmpeg with flv support?

[17:49:18]

adante:

gbee: hum, but it works for majority of people? where should i be looking for logging problems?

[17:49:24]

gbee:

adante: do you have ffmpeg installed, compiled with flv and lame support?

[17:49:25]

sphery:

gbee: Must have been a much better 'net link at the hotel than the ones I stay in have. :)

[17:49:27]

adante:

er as in, which log should i be looking at to diagnose

[17:49:47]

adante:

gbee: lemme go check heh

[17:50:43]

sphery:

pooyak: I think the extra $2 – $15 for a WinTV PVR-150 is a better idea.

[17:50:43]

gbee:

sphery: it was an ADSL connection shared over a 802.11g wireless AP, nothing special at all, but I suppose better than some Hotels offer

[17:50:54]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Proof of concept aside, I'm still suitably impressed. Very nice feature and the implimentation is pretty elegant to my eyes

[17:50:59]

iamlindoro:

although it's a bit "buried"

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adante:

hum, how can i check if my ffmpeg is installed with flv support? using gentoo, but there isn't a use flag for it

[17:51:19]

pooyak:

sphery, does pvr-150 have hardware compression?

[17:51:22]

sphery:

Yeah. A lot of the hotels I'm in will close "long duration" connections. It's annoying.

[17:51:25]

iamlindoro:

pooyak, yes

[17:51:26]

sphery:

pooyak: yeah

[17:51:38]

gbee:

adante: give me a second, I'll dig up the actuall command line args we use so you can test it

[17:52:21]

pooyak:

is this the right one? WinTV PVR-150 MCE NFM

[17:52:29]

iamlindoro:

yes

[17:52:33]

sphery:

adante: (gbee) ffmpeg -y -i $filename -s 320x240 -r 24 -f flv -ac 2 -ar 11025 -ab 64k -b 256k /dev/stdout 2>/dev/null

[17:52:41]

pooyak:

I just wonder if the the MCE one comes with remote

[17:52:47]

iamlindoro:

yes, it does

[17:52:50]

adante:

thanks

[17:52:54]

iamlindoro:

a better remote, actually

[17:53:25]

pooyak:

so what is the difference between these two: http://www.atic.ca/index.php?page=LongDesc&sku=12668 and http://www.atic.ca/index.php?page=LongDesc&sku=30410

[17:54:07]

iamlindoro:

You'd have to ask the retailer, I bet one is OEM

[17:54:08]

pooyak:

ah, okay no fm

[17:54:08]

orthoevra:

my MCE remote that came with my laptop works great with zero config for mythtv

[17:54:22]

gbee:

sphery: thanks, that saved me spending half an hour trying to find my way through the mythweb file structure :)

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[17:55:07]

adante:

hm

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pooyak:

the funny thing is that you start thinking that a $30 card will do it but then you end up deciding to buy a $80 one

[17:55:25]

adante:

ok i just ran that on an .mpg file and it.. did nothing?

[17:55:34]

iamlindoro:

any output?

[17:55:41]

adante:

no output heh

[17:55:48]

iamlindoro:

??? hrmmmm

[17:55:52]

adante:

yeah i know

[17:56:00]

iamlindoro:

oh

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adante:

as soon as i press enter i get a new command prompt

[17:56:06]

iamlindoro:

get rid of the > /dev/null

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gbee:

adante: remove the "/dev/stdout 2>/dev/null" bit

[17:56:11]

ron_o:

sphery, here's a basic article on what we were just talking about: http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/network-is-the-dvr.html

[17:56:14]

sphery:

pooyak: I'd guess that the cheaper one is a "white box" (no manuals, no pretty packaging) for OEM's, but confirm with retailer. I usually buy white box.

[17:56:23]

sphery:

Manuals are available online.

[17:56:37]

gbee:

!trout sphery devnull

[17:56:37]

** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a devnull trout on behalf of gbee... **

[17:56:54]

sphery:

oops

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iamlindoro:

heh

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sphery:

copied the whole line... :)

[17:57:09]

ron_o:

ahh, I get it. KnoppMyth is the frontend part.

[17:57:21]

ron_o:

this reminds me of the LTSP a bit.

[17:57:26]

adante:

gbee: hah ok, (sorry, not a transcoding person)

[17:57:36]

adante:

seems to be working though http://pastebin.com/m1251a0d7 (i did press q)

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gbee:

knoppmyth can be used for either, but only as a frontend when using the Live CD bit

[17:58:25]

sphery:

ron_o: though generally you'll want to use an identical distro/package for backends/frontends

[17:58:29]

adante:

does direct download work? in mythweb if i click on that i get an internal server error

[17:58:35]

ron_o:

that's what I was figuring with the livepart. Knoppix is live.

[17:58:38]

sphery:

ron_o: You /must/ be running the same version/SVN revision.

[17:58:53]

ron_o:

sphery, yah, I wasn't thinking of that. I'm using sabayon so I'll figure it out using sabayon only.

[17:59:01]

gbee:

adante: it should, that may be related to the problem you are having with flash streaming

[17:59:06]

adante:

hm

[17:59:06]

pooyak:

So do you think this is a fine config? AMD 1.3Ghz, 386Mb Ram, ATI RADEON 7000, and PVR-150 MCE (wanna buy the last two)

[17:59:16]

adante:

ok appears perl does not have mysql driver installed

[17:59:19]

adante:

how INCREDIBLY ODD

[17:59:40]

gbee:

check that the http server has sufficient perms to access the recording directory

[17:59:46]

pooyak:

(plus lots of harddrive)

[17:59:48]

sphery:

adante: Do you have direct (filesystem) access to the recordings from your MythWeb box? If not, Flash/streaming/direct download won't work.

[18:00:01]

pooyak:

(and running ubuntu)

[18:00:12]

gbee:

or change the perms to allow global read/write

[18:00:26]

Coded1:

im having a problem with setting up the backend on ubuntu, it seems that it detects my tuner card but it doesnt seem to remember my settings, when I click on the frontend nothing happens, ps -A doesn't show its running either

[18:00:37]

sphery:

pooyak: Would work for a standard def only system (i.e. you won't really be able to upgrade it to high-def later).

[18:01:08]

orthoevra:

cool, channel icons manually set using: channel table icon column and 120x120 icons.. looks great

[18:01:10]

pooyak:

sphery, I guess for that I would have to buy a better system + better tv. this one is so noisy

[18:01:10]

gbee:

adante: and what sphery said, currently flash streaming only works if a) mythtv is on the same machine as the backend b) you nfs mount the recording directory on the mythweb machine

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adante:

sphery: i do but i never configured this

[18:01:35]

adante:

gbee: hm ok, the directory is mounted, how do i tell myth/web to point to this?

[18:01:36]

sphery:

pooyak: I maintain an Athlon XP 2000+ (1667MHz) with 4 PVR-x50's that's a combined frontend/backend system and it happily records 4 shows while playing back another.

[18:02:03]

adante:

by 'this' i mean, the appropriate place

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iamlindoro:

orthoevra: Nice

[18:02:28]

sphery:

adante: The recordings directory must be the same as it is on the backend.

[18:02:33]

adante:

also when i say direct filesystem access i mean over a network share mounted via samba :s

[18:02:40]

pooyak:

sphery, wow. I guess I am not that much into recording (at least for now) I just have an old tv that is not cable ready. and have a old machine as my file server so I thought I would add a graphich card with tv/out instead of a dvd player and a capturecard instead of buying a cable box

[18:02:43]

adante:

hah ok, well that kills that idea i guess

[18:02:56]

gbee:

adante: mount it to the same location as the backend e.g. if the backend is using /my/recordings/ then mount it as /my/recordings/ on the mythweb machine

[18:02:58]

sphery:

adante: I.e. you have your recordings at /video and /video1 on the backend, so on your MythWeb box, you /must/ mount them in the same directories--/video and /video1

[18:03:23]

adante:

yeah ok.. i guess there's no analogue for windows yet? :]

[18:03:57]

gbee:

your webserver is running on Windows?

[18:03:58]

sphery:

pooyak: The one I'm maintaining started out the same way. The guy who owns it had a computer and a projector and his wife got the TV in the divorce. He didn't want to buy a new TV.

[18:04:07]

pooyak:

ubuntu feisty runs mythtv without problems. is that right?

[18:04:32]

gbee:

pooyak: apparently

[18:04:35]

adante:

gbee: mythbackend, mythfrontend and mythweb run on linux box

[18:04:40]

sphery:

MythWeb on windows... shudder

[18:04:45]

adante:

gbee: firefox runs on windows

[18:04:49]

adante:

gbee: sorry i mean

[18:05:02]

adante:

gbee: firefox on windows, loads the mythweb page

[18:05:02]

pooyak:

oki, perfecto! going to buy them in a couple of hours then

[18:05:10]

gbee:

adante: ok, that's not a problem

[18:05:39]

sphery:

pooyak: Also, I'd /never/ recommend an ATI video card for Myth.

[18:05:42]

gbee:

when we talk about the mythweb box we're talking about the one that has mythweb installed

[18:05:51]

sphery:

pooyak: you're much better off with a $30 NVIDIA.

[18:05:52]

pooyak:

sphery, really? others are so expensive

[18:06:01]

adante:

right, misread that my bad

[18:06:04]

iamlindoro:

pooyak: ATI is a recipe for disaster

[18:06:04]

gbee:

pooyak: ATi linux drivers suck

[18:06:15]

sphery:

yep! bad, too.

[18:06:24]

gbee:

;)

[18:06:33]

iamlindoro:

A GeForce 4 for $5 on ebay is better than any current ATI card in linux

[18:06:36]

pooyak:

but I noticed ati radeon 7000 is here on the top: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/TV_Out

[18:06:52]

iamlindoro:

look at the comments

[18:07:07]

iamlindoro:

"Considered a "hack" by the author, not guaranteed to work, but frequently updated."

[18:07:09]

gbee:

pooyak: a few people try using them, but for the sake of your sanity I wouldn't recommend it

[18:07:28]

sphery:

iamlindoro: True. The GF6200 is nice because it works with today's current drivers and is 1 step beyond the GF5200 for end-of-life support, but using a GF4 with legacy drivers is still better than ATI with current ATI drivers.

[18:07:43]

iamlindoro:

Agreed :)

[18:08:02]

sphery:

pooyak: If 100's of hours of your time is worth less than $30US, go with the ATI. :)

[18:08:17]

pooyak:

sphery, lol. let see what can I find

[18:08:35]

gbee:

adante: for the sake of testing, "chmod -R 777 /your/recording/dir"

[18:08:44]

pooyak:

sphery, strangely pci-e ones are cheap. does pci-e work on a normal pci as well?

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sphery:

pooyak: And, most importantly, remember that I am not recommending any of the proposed equipment for your setup. (I.e. if it doesn't work, don't blame me. :)

[18:09:26]

adante:

gbee: okay

[18:09:29]

sphery:

pooyak: No. PCIe only with PCIe ports. Totally different physical config.

[18:09:34]

adante:

heh, just found 8gig for .tmp files

[18:09:38]

pooyak:

sphery, yeah I know. hopefully I can return them. don't know what their return policy is though

[18:10:27]

sphery:

pooyak: Do you have AGP? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121542

[18:10:45]

gbee:

pooyak: the hardware we're recommending here should work, it's the best supported, best value and simplest for the job

[18:11:03]

pooyak:

how about this one: http://www.atic.ca/index.php?page=LongDesc&sku=33314

[18:11:19]

pooyak:

yeah I am agp 4x

[18:11:25]

iamlindoro:

That would work fine

[18:11:39]

adante:

gbee: anyway, i think it may be a perl problem, apache error log gives me perl dbi/dbd errors when i try to direct dl or play

[18:11:43]

gbee:

we've plenty of experience with the hardware, either directly because we're using it or because we've heard all the stories about what works and what doesn't

[18:11:45]

iamlindoro:

Hahah, "Regular Price $40.80, Discounted Price: $40.00"

[18:12:09]

sphery:

That would work. TTBOMK, current drivers support it, but it's next on the chopping block. (Probably dropping support within a year, at which time you'd have to use legacy drivers or stop upgrading kernels once the kernel interface changes.)

[18:12:14]

gbee:

adante: ahh, well I guess that's possible, even probable

[18:12:39]

adante:

my poor box is falling down on itself

[18:12:49]

adante:

really need to flatten and reinstall ubuntu

[18:13:00]

pooyak:

they have this one as well http://www.atic.ca/index.php?page=LongDesc&sku=26223 but $13 more. does it worth it?

[18:13:14]

pooyak:

and its agp8x so I'm not sure if it works on 4x

[18:13:15]

gbee:

this sort of stuff is why we describe the flash streaming as proof of concept ;)

[18:13:30]

sphery:

adante: if the ffmpeg is running, I've found it doesn't ever stop until it finishes the transcode, so you could easily have 10's of transcodes occurring simultaneously while testing.

[18:14:01]

sphery:

pooyak: I think AGP 8x works on AGP 4x, but not on AGP 2x or below.

[18:14:11]

adante:

sphery: hum ok :]

[18:14:12]

Dagmar:

pooyak: Myth does not require massive amounts of bus bandwidth for playback

[18:14:23]

pooyak:

uhum

[18:14:33]

sphery:

pooyak: I got a 6200 when NVIDIA EOL'ed the GF4 I had because it's 2 steps from EOL.

[18:14:43]

sphery:

I got mine off eBay for <$30, though.

[18:14:59]

sphery:

though that's a gamble in and of itself

[18:15:07]

adante:

IT WORKS!

[18:15:19]

sphery:

what changed?

[18:15:20]

adante:

ok

[18:15:24]

adante:

perl library

[18:15:27]

sphery:

cool

[18:15:29]

adante:

ok it sort of works

[18:15:42]

sphery:

You're running Firefox on Windows, right?

[18:15:52]

adante:

the sound is... playing a little fast :]

[18:15:57]

sphery:

does the full screen button work?

[18:16:14]

sphery:

It doesn't on any of my Linux systems (then again, I've never found a Flash player where it did).

[18:16:17]

adante:

sphery: yep

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sphery:

cool.

[18:16:23]

gbee:

sphery: the legacy drivers (96xx) won't work past the current kernels? I wasn't aware of that, pain in the neck that :(

[18:16:56]

sphery:

gbee: They may work, but when the kernel interface changes, they won't work with those kernels.

[18:16:59]

sphery:

I haven't kept up.

[18:17:01]

adante:

well anyway guys, this is very cool

[18:17:38]

gbee:

hmm, nvidia site suggests they will update the legacy drivers to support newer kernels

[18:17:39]

sphery:

I had to upgrade because the 96xx legacy drivers had a bug that caused a kernel panic when using Adobe's proprietary Flash player plugin at sites like YouTube/Google Video.

[18:17:52]

Dagmar:

Heck, they've got *two* legacy driver packages now

[18:17:56]

sphery:

gbee: cool. didn't realize that.

[18:18:06]

gbee:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html

[18:18:08]

adante:

when i rule the earth i shall be sure to thank you all by dedicating your choice of either asia minor or quebec to mythtv development

[18:18:10]

Dagmar:

One for people with old video cards, and one for people with ludicrously old video cards

[18:18:16]

** sphery wants them to just open source the drivers... :) **

[18:18:16]

gbee:

"Legacy GPU" drivers that will be updated periodically to add support for new versions of Linux system components (e.g., new Linux kernels, new versions of the X server, etc).

[18:18:22]

pooyak:

I guess i'll go with "WinTV PVR-150 MCE No FM" for $70 and "GeForce FX5200 128MB AGP" for $40 ( http://www.atic.ca/index.php?page=LongDesc&sku=30410 and http://www.atic.ca/index.php?page=LongDesc&sku=33314)

[18:18:29]

pooyak:

I could buy a tv with that ;)

[18:18:53]

sphery:

pooyak: Yeah. IMHO, Myth isn't necessarily good for "cheap" TV. It's great for great TV, though.

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pooyak:

sphery, uhum hopefully I can impress my friends with that, lol

[18:19:33]

sphery:

pooyak: I have 4 pcHDTV HD-3000 cards, 3TB storage, 2 dedicated backends and 1 dedicated frontend. My system is a large percentage of the cost of my 67" HDTV.

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pooyak:

wow

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gbee:

pooyak: where abouts are you by the way? PVR-150 is good for analogue TV or capture from a Set-top box (cable/satellite), but if you are in Europe then you'd probably want digital (DVB) instead

[18:20:27]

pooyak:

no, canada. and my tv is too crappy for hdtv anyway

[18:20:38]

sphery:

pooyak: Yeah. And the bad thing is that I started small (with a 1x PVR-x50 system with 160GB of storage). I just kept upgrading...

[18:20:55]

gbee:

pooyak: safe to say that sphery's system is well beyond what you actually need, or most people would ever want ;)

[18:21:03]

sphery:

True.

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pooyak:

sphery, so do you make any money out of that? or just keep it for fun?

[18:21:11]

sphery:

for fun

[18:21:14]

pooyak:

gbee, yeah. I know

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sphery:

I allow myself to spend money on my hobbies and Myth has become a hobby.

[18:21:52]

pooyak:

that's cool

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gbee:

pooyak: ahh well in Europe SDTV is digital too, analogue is being turned off

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sphery:

gbee: that's how they should have done it in the US.

[18:22:31]

pooyak:

gbee, i guess they are kinda of doing it here as well but it is much harder to force people to move away from analog

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sphery:

Go to SDTV (480p) digital, then--later--go to HDTV. Much less invasive upgrade path, and with good displays (720p/1080p), a 480p input signal looks significantly better than on an analog SDTV.

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pooyak:

uhum

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gbee:

well here they are doing it using the lure of extra FTA channels, in the spectrum currently occupied by 5 analogue terrestrial FTA channels they can fit 40+ digital ones (not to mention the dozens of radio channels)

[18:25:13]

Barry253:

hey all

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sphery:

Yeah. The US cable companies are trying to get users to switch to digital for the same reason--better usage of their bandwidth.

[18:25:32]

Barry253:

ran into a prob w/building svn on feisty – can anyone take a shot at it?

[18:25:40]

pooyak:

okay I guess I better go buy these stuff before you guys seduce me into buying a 60" plasma, pchdtv and yaggy antenna!

[18:26:03]

iamlindoro:

Barry: post the problem and we'll see what we can do

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pooyak:

i'll probably see you again in the afternoon when I couldn't get them to work ;)

[18:26:33]

pooyak:

thanks for the help

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iamlindoro:

building on feisty should be as simple as sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv, svn down the source, ./configure --prefix=/usr, qmake mythtv.pro, make, make install

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sphery:

pooyak: good luck

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Barry253:

dpkg: error processing /var/myth_src/mythtv/mythtv_0.20.02svn20070828.ubuntu6–1_i386.deb (--install): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/ld', which is also in package binutils

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pooyak:

thanks cheers

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Barry253:

using checkinstall rather than qmake

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iamlindoro:

so use qmake mythtv.pro, make, make isntall

[18:28:32]

iamlindoro:

er install

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Barry253:

will try, thanks

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gbee:

iamlindoro: the qmake step shouldn't be necessary anymore, at least not with trunk, but I can never remember when these changes are made

[18:29:13]

gbee:

iirc it got merged into the configure script

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sphery:

Barry253: Replacing ld sounds bad (like something you might do to trojan a system)

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iamlindoro:

gbee: gotcha... I only wrote it 'cause I used it (possibly unnecessarily) and knew my way worked :)

[18:29:39]

Barry253:

right, so i didn't want to proceed with that. tried removing ld temporarily but it wasn't happy

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gbee:

iamlindoro: sure, safer to follow your advice anyway because I'm not sure whether what I said is true for 0.20 or not

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gbee:

it shouldn't be touching ld

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gbee:

other than executing it ... not overwriting it

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Barry253:

weird

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iamlindoro:

Barry, I believe there are Ubuntu packages for .20.2 if you're interested in just doing it that way

[18:31:02]

Barry253:

already have them, but want to try svn

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iamlindoro:

ah ok

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iamlindoro:

yeah, then try the other way

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Barry253:

ok

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gbee:

Barry253: you could just grab the build-deps then install get svn by checking it out from svn.mythtv.org

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Dagmar:

bird603568: Perhaps if you punched that error message into Google

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Barry253:

i did check out svn from there

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Barry253:

and did build-deps

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iamlindoro:

Barry, I expect the funkiness comes from using checkinstall, and I think the simple make, make isntall ought to git 'r done

[18:38:46]

iamlindoro:

blah, make install

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iamlindoro:

stupid fingers

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Barry253:

trying it now

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Barry253:

still going. btw, this page is what brought me to use checkinstall to begin with:

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Barry253:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . buntu_Breezy

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iamlindoro:

I've seen that page, and it will lead to a badly broken build on Feisty, I believe... plus if you use that prefix it won't work, either (as far as I know)

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iamlindoro:

you compiled with --prefix=/usr, right?

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iamlindoro:

rather than /usr/local

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juski:

nothing wrong with using /usr/local or /usr if you know what you're doing. I don't, but I made sure I had no rogue myth libs left in /usr

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iamlindoro:

juski: I only say so because someone (aval0n?) was in here the other day and his install was screwy until he compiled everything with /usr

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iamlindoro:

but I defer

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juski:

packages normally use /usr and can leave binaries behind when uninstalled

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iamlindoro:

copy

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juski:

I had mythtv libs in /usr and /usr/local – it was a fair ole mess til I tidied it up

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Barry253:

i'm using usr/local, so no reason to do otherwise

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Barry253:

will see what happens

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juski:

if you're compiling yourself it's considered bad form to put stuff into /usr IIRC

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Barry253:

*saw no reason

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juski:

the thinking behind what I've just said is just so's you don't unwittingly overwrite important libs & wreck the OS

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juski:

AFAIK ^^

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juski:

anyway, that's not important right now

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orthoevra:

g2g thanks a ton guys!

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Barry253:

ok, it completed...tried running mythtv-setup, got "mythtv-setup: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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juski:

Barry253: ldconfig

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Barry253:

it ran ldconfig

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Barry253:

will try again

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juski:

Barry253: and make sure /usr/local is in /etc/ld.so.conf

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juski:

or is it /usr/local/lib .. ? anyway you get the idea

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juski:

yeah it's /usr/local/lib you want in /etc/ld.so.conf on ubuntu

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Barry253:

it has /usr/local/lib

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juski:

Barry253: try 'which mythtv-setup' & see what path it reports

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Barry253:

i removed libmyth (0.20.1) before running svn, i assumed a new one would get compiled, no?

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funbur1:

is there an easy way to schedule a job for execution without using mythfrontend?

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juski:

funbur1: nope

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Barry253:

it returned "usr/local/bin/mythtv-setup"

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funbur1:

is there a hard way :)

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juski:

Barry253: sounds ok..

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juski:

funbur1: only mangling the database, and I really don't advocate anybody does that

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anykey_:

Someone has an idea why mythtv is constantly querying my mysql server? But only from 8 o'clock to 6 o'clock in the morning

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funbur1:

glad I asked, I was just poking around in there trying to figure out how I could do it

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juski:

anykey_: mythfilldatabase? recording? playing back?

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Barry253:

hmmm so what next?

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juski:

Barry253: log out & back in again? or there's some other command which is like ldconfig but more powerful or something – and I can never remember it

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anykey_:

juski: well, if it was recording, why would it query constantly? mysql does make about 30% CPU usage on an amd athlon64 x2 4200+...

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Barry253:

will reboot

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juski:

anykey_: wow. it's screwed then. stop the backend & run mysqlcheck

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anykey_:

juski: ok

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juski:

Barry253: no need to reboot

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Barry253:

well i'm doing this via vnc, didn't want to get stuck logged out

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juski:

Barry253: fairy snuff I guess

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anykey_:

juski: everything seemed ok in mysqlcheck, restarted the backend, and bum, 30% usage every two seconds

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Barry253:

back up, same error

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anykey_:

juski: i'm using svn.. is there any bug known?

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Barry253:

i should note...during the .configure, i saw a few lines of: /usr/local/lib: is a directory

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Barry253:

didn't think it meant anything...but now...

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Barry253:

?

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sphery:

duerF: In mythtv-setup, there's a combobox labelled "TV format" in the backend settings on like page 3 or so. What do you have selected there?

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Barry253:

juski: did i lose you?

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duerF:

sphery, PAL

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duerF:

also tried PAL-DK

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sphery:

duerF: Where are you? (What country?)

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duerF:

Iceland

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duerF:

which uses PAL-B afaik

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Perdignus:

Is it possible to have TV recordings created using a standard video codec instead of Myth's nuppel video straight from the get go without having to later transcode them?

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duerF:

but according to v4l2-ctl --list-standards only shows PAL-BGH

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duerF:

which works, only mythtv doesnt have a option to use PAL-BGH, so I'm trying to add PAL-BGH to mythtv-setup and that is why I started this topic on the non "-users" channel.

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sphery:

duerF: Myth has the option PAL-BG

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sphery:

Perdignus: Myth's encoder always uses NUV. "Standard" video formats generally suck for a PVR.

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sphery:

Perdignus: However, one of the devs is doing some work to allow encoding directly to MPEG streams. It won't be available until at least 0.21 is released (possibly 0.22).

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GreyFoxx:

Perdignus: Or use a PVR card which records directly into mpeg2

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Perdignus:

I'd really like to see that so I could stop wrestling with ffmpeg's inability to encode my recorded show

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sphery:

transcoding is failing?

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Barry253:

i fixed it

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Barry253:

thanks for the help

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sphery:

Barry253: congrats

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Perdignus:

sphery I must not be transcoding them, do I need to run mtd seperately or is it automagic if setup in the frontend somewhere?

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sphery:

duerF: Anyway, PAL-BG exists in both trunk and 0.20-fixes (and 0.20.2), and TTBOMK, should be the right one for Iceland.

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duerF:

sphery, yeah still is funky

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sphery:

Perdignus: The internal transcoder will always use NUV containers, so that won't help. I was wondering what you meant by , "ffmpeg's inability to encode my recorded show."

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sphery:

I figured you must be trying to transcode after the fact.

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sphery:

duerF: what kind of funky? What's it do?

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sphery:

duerF: Could be a problem with your frequency table/frequencies.

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duerF:

sphery, this setup was good before a upgrade

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duerF:

sphery, frequencies should be good

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sphery:

What upgrade? MythTV? What from/to versions?

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duerF:

sphery, also I have proven that it is the standard because I am able to get good recordings setting the right standard

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duerF:

sphery, I see that mythtv changes the standard and the recording goes bad

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duerF:

sphery, I change it back, and everything looks groovy

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sphery:

MythTV changes the standard to the standard you specify...

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Perdignus:

sphery It all stems from my inability to get the new MFPlayer.swf to play my recordings in MythWeb which I traced back to ffmpeg choking on the .nuv files after about 10 seconds with this error --> http://www.pastebin.ca/676101

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duerF:

sphery, I know, only doesn't give me the option of specifying the standard I need which is PAL-BGH, the only one where everything looks good.

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sphery:

Perdignus: Hmmm. Don't know what's causing that. Sorry.

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sphery:

duerF: When you set mythtv-setup to use PAL-BG (first shut down mythfrontends/mythbackends, then run mythtv-setup, then restart mythbackends/mythfrontends) and you check standard after you go to LiveTV, does the value reported by v4l2 change?

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sphery:

the restart is mandatory.

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clever:

Status: Active

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clever:

Expires: Wednesday, December 05, 2007

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iamlindoro:

perdignus, perhaps you might try upgrading to the newest ffmpeg SVN and see how it goes?

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Perdignus:

Does anyone hear have the streaming flash video working in a recent SVN build? If so would you share your ffmpeg config with me please?

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clever:

damn that paypal transaction went fast:P

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Perdignus:

iamlindoro I have already, no luck

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iamlindoro:

Perdignus, i have it working ok

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sphery:

duerF: PAL-BG uses V4L2_STD_PAL_BG

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iamlindoro:

but am not at my mythbox

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duerF:

sphery, yupp

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Perdignus:

iamlindoro I'd be curious to see what your ffmpeg lists for compile/configure flags, I could start by matching yours

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iamlindoro:

Line one in your pastebin seems like the real culprit

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sphery:

Perdignus: Actually, now that I think about it, the proof-of-concept MythWeb flash streaming /only/ supports MPEG-2 recordings.

[19:52:51]

iamlindoro:

Seems like it's complaining about the source material

[19:53:06]

sphery:

Perdignus: It doesn't work with NUV (software encoded) recordings.

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Perdignus:

yup, it is which is the nuv file

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clever:

sphery: i built my ffmpeg from source and it partialy supports nuv

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clever:

sphery: but it often seg faults after transcoding 2–30 seconds

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clever:

but ffplay doesnt have trouble so i cant see whats wrong with it

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Perdignus:

I have two cards, one is software based encoding and the second is a PVR-150, how can I specify the second card to be the preferred recording device?

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sphery:

duerF: So are you saying that you have a new version of V4L2 that added a new format? If you can provide information about the changes to V4L2, we can add support for new stuff, but I really think the existing stuff should work on your system if properly configured.

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iamlindoro:

Increase the tuner priority on the PVR 150

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iamlindoro:

in Mythtv-setup

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sphery:

clever: yeah, but the MythWeb flash streaming uses options that are designed to work with MPEG-2 recordings.

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clever:

ahhh

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clever:

so i have to addjust the ffmpeg cmd in the mythweb source?

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sphery:

and it's never been tested by the author with NUV stuff

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sphery:

Adjust and debug--you'd be blazing a new trail. In reality, though, it will be done completely different before it makes it into any released version.

[19:56:08]

clever:

i just got a pci firewire card

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clever:

butit could lead to raw digital recordings

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clever:

but my tuner doesnt have firewire out

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sphery:

So, effort spent on it would be better spent on adding multi-format transcoding support to mythbackend.

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sphery:

:)

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duerF:

sphery, v4l2-ctl --list-standards, does that list standards supported by the card or by v4l2 ?

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clever:

sphery: can the mythtranscode output non nuv?

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sphery:

duerF: Don't know. I'd guess just your card.

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iamlindoro:

It can output Mpeg 2 also, no?

[19:57:37]

sphery:

duerF: Hold on. I'll check V4L2 Hg.

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clever:

even if you have a hardware encoding card you might wind up with nuv's when you transcode and loose flash support for the files

[19:58:06]

clever:

iamlindoro: i can only select mpeg4 or rtjpeg

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iamlindoro:

Ah, i'm sure you're right, just working from memory

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clever:

rtjpeg needs less cpu power

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clever:

and way more hdd space

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clever:

mpeg4 even is a hog(1gig/hour)

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sphery:

clever: right, but the plan is to make it so that mythbackend transcodes the recordings to FLV (or whatever format the "client" requests) from any format it uses to store the recordings.

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clever:

ahhhh

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sphery:

And xris said that the current implementation will /never/ be released because it's done wrong (it was just to prove that it's possible).

[20:00:45]

clever:

the current way flash is done?

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sphery:

Right. With the MythWeb box transcoding it using a locally-running ffmpeg process...

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clever:

atm mythweb is on the master backend for me

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sphery:

Which requires the MythWeb box to have local access to the files

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clever:

with changes

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sphery:

Which won't work with multiple backends each having their own storage directories without using network filesystems.

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clever:

you can make a php script which can handle streaming from the backend

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clever:

then you | that to the ffmpeg process

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clever:

i know the protocol used in mythtv and could probly do it myself

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sphery:

But eventually, the backend will a) transcode to the requested format, b) stream to the client

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zntneo:

hello everyone, i am trying to get my slave backend to connect o my master backend

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zntneo:

it gives me these errors

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zntneo:

2007-08–29 16:16:50.226 MythSocket(9f847d8:9): readStringList: Error, timeout (quick).

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zntneo:

2007-08–29 16:16:50.227 Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION:

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sphery:

So, developing "further support" for the "broken" proof-of-concept is not going to happen

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zntneo:

any idea why?

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clever:

atm im trying to reduce the load on the master backend

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clever:

my master backend has the frame grabber

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clever:

if its got too much load it damages the recordings

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sphery:

zntneo: You're running different versions of mythbackend and mythfrontend and/or MythWeb.

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clever:

transcoding in the backend and streaming out would just worsen it

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sphery:

zntneo: they must all be identical versions (and identical SVN revisions); otherwise, the configuration is unsupported and likely to not work.

[20:04:46]

sphery:

zntneo: In this case, just upgrade your slave and master backends to use the same version of Myth (which generally means using the same distro and same packages) on both master and slave.

[20:04:50]

zntneo:

i'm unsure how.. I am using mythdora and have not allowed them to update each other , at least i don't think i have, and i used the exact same disk

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sphery:

clever: Right. Won't work for me, either, as my 2 backends cannot even play back my HDTV recordings in real time, let alone transcode them in real time.

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clever:

lol

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sphery:

clever: But if the backend can stream any format, the client (MythWeb) could be made to request the native format, then the backend streams it, then the MythWeb system can transcode it.

[20:06:22]

clever:

my current setup

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sphery:

So, once the backend support is in place, then we'll work out all the usage scenarios.

[20:06:29]

clever:

i have 2 slave backends just for commflaging

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clever:

and the master is set to not commflag

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JosefK:

hmm, I've wrapped the nuvexport call in a bash script, explicitly exported TERM=vt100, but I still get a termcap error when I'm running it as a MythTV job – anyone fixed this before?

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iamlindoro:

Clever- Whoah, you record enough that you need two just for commflagging? O_o

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iamlindoro:

Wow.

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clever:

was 1

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clever:

but the 2nd i added for storage

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clever:

and i left it able to commflag

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iamlindoro:

Ah, i see

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iamlindoro:

Haha, I'm hard pressed to find more than an hour or so a night I want to record

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clever:

i also set the option so jobs run on any box(not the one where the file is)

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sphery:

duerF: What V4L2 standard works for you? (The hex value is fine.)

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clever:

so now when i record stuff it streams(nfs) to the next slave backend and commflags

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I record /much/ more than than, but I often delete whole seasons of series without watching.

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clever:

lol

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duerF:

0x0000000f

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clever:

i record alot but watch it all

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I record anything I might possibly want to watch so I always have something to watch.

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iamlindoro:

Pretty much Daily Show/Colbert/and one or two other things... although since all the good TV is gone until next season, maybe I have a skewed perspective

[20:09:19]

iamlindoro:

Sphery: Fair enough... I only record my "disposable" television... throw it out as I watch it then pick it up on DVD and add to MythVideo

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floppyears:

how many mythtv boxes do you guys have ? how many of those are frontend & backend ?

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iamlindoro:

One mondo backend and two non-dedicated frontends

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clever:

i have 3 systems which are all back/frontend mixes

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fryfrog:

I got a bigass-ish backend and one frontend

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clever:

the laptop is a backend to commflag and a frontend so i can watch things and move it to wherever i need it

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ServerSage:

floppyears: I have one media server in a rack in my garage thats a backend/frontend (frontend for when I'm in the garage), a frontend in my entertainment center, and then my desktop is also a frontend/backend.

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floppyears:

I have 1 system that is a backend & frotend in the living room, but I don't know what mythtv system to put in another room, whether just a frontend, or a combined backend & frontend

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clever:

my 'media' pc has a 80gig external usb drive to catch the mythtv overflow(backend to stream/delete it) and a frontend for watching

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sphery:

duerF: And what standard is Myth using? 0x00000003

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clever:

the 'theP4' system has the master backend/framegrabber/tvout frontend

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sphery:

duerF: 0x00000003 is V4L2_STD_PAL_BG, which is (V4L2_STD_PAL_B | V4L2_STD_PAL_B1 | V4L2_STD_PAL_G)

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sphery:

duerF: 0x0000000f would be (V4L2_STD_PAL_B | V4L2_STD_PAL_B1 | V4L2_STD_PAL_G | V4L2_STD_PAL_H)

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duerF:

yupp

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duerF:

sphery, #define V4L2_STD_PAL_BGH (V4L2_STD_PAL_B|V4L2_STD_PAL_B1|V4L2_STD_PAL_G|V4L2_STD_PAL_H)

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sphery:

duerF: But you're saying that it used to work for you?

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sphery:

duerF: before an upgrade of what?

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duerF:

sphery, I did a upgrade from fedora core 4 to fedora 7, with that upgrade was a ivtv upgrade and about a thousand different things

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sphery:

duerF: Did you change MythTV versions?

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BULLE:

duerF: you did that uppgrade, from fc4 to fc5 and then to fc6 and fc7 right ? and not just form fc4 to fc7 directly ?

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duerF:

different versions of the svn trunk

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duerF:

BULLE, naw, I dont do upgrades

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duerF:

BULLE, reinstall

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BULLE:

oh

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BULLE:

upgrading is pretty simple though

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BULLE:

if you just do it one rel at a time

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duerF:

BULLE, never liked it, think there are too many variables

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BULLE:

duerF: its the main flaw of fedora i think, that there is no simple way to do a dist upgrade, like in debian based distros, or freebsd, or gentoo etc

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BULLE:

its the one thing that annoys me with fedora realy

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clever:

i upgraded my laptop(ubuntu) 3–4 times

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clever:

i think ive done 5.10 6.06 6.10 and 7.04

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clever:

5.10–6.06 caused irssi to seg fault on /exit

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clever:

6.06–6.10–7.04 caused the wifi driver to become unstable

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clever:

and didnt fix the seg faulting:P

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NightMonkey:

Hi all. Does Schedules Direct get information about the connecting client, like, say OS or OS distribution?

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sphery:

duerF: I'd recommend sending a question to the mythtv-users list to see if anyone else in Iceland has had issues after upgrading (probably the V4L2/ivtv upgrade).

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NightMonkey:

I'm curious to see if we might start to see statistics on usage patterns among MythTV and other TV-related projects.

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clever:

i think the mythtv db filler uses wget

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NightMonkey:

A "zeitgeist" of F/OSS TV.

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clever:

and wget might send some of that info in the user-agent header

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sphery:

duerF: If you need to add a new standard, it should be as easy as modifying TVFormat in mythtv-setup/backendsettings.cpp and format_to_mode() in libs/libmythtv/channel.cpp and then doing the appropriate version checks/defines in configure

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clever:

NightMonkey: check wget to see what it sends in its user-agent header and youll see what sd could log

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sphery:

duerF: The configure changes being the hard part.

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NightMonkey:

clever: Yeah, thanks, I know what wget can (and doesn't) send – I just wonder if it is being collected.

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Sudanmas2:

Hey guys – I'm attempting to import the sql database from my old myth install to my brand spanking new .20.2 build. Following the instructions here: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html I get the error "Error 1062 (23000)at line 1: Duplicate entry '1' for key 1" when I attempt to import the saved data in the current sql database – any ideas?

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NightMonkey:

And if that data will be shared, in aggregate.

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clever:

NightMonkey: currently i think its doing thru tms servers

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clever:

NightMonkey: but i beleive sd plans to move it to there own servers later

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clever:

NightMonkey: the web server logs there would contain that info

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NightMonkey:

clever: Yeah, good point. If TMS doesn't share it, then...

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clever:

then its just a matter of making totals and showing it

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clever:

firefox is eating 38% of my cpu

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clever:

57%

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iamlindoro:

OK, just checked, wget just sends "Wget/1.10.2" as the user agent/OS

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iamlindoro:

at least in my apache logs that's what I get

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clever:

mythfilldb might send extra args to modify that

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** sphery bets that it's a proprietary POS plugin in firefox that's eating the CPU **

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clever:

it could for example send the mythfilldatabse version(since thats a bit more correct)

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clever:

sphery: id blame the 500 tabs:P

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sphery:

clever: that could do it, too

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clever:

400mb mem usage to ff:P

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sphery:

Sudanmas2: Sounds like you created a new DB and ran the 0.20.2 client and then tried to import

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clever:

'warning unresponsive script'

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clever:

....

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sphery:

Sudanmas2: You need to import the old DB backup, then run the 0.20.2 mythtv-setup/mythbackend/mythfrontend to upgrade the old DB format.

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clever:

sphery: open http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14360/ and youll see why i had trouble:P

[20:34:29]

sphery:

Is that a branch merge?

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** sphery doesn't want to kill his FF. **

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duerF:

sphery, thanks for the help

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duerF:

sphery, I figured out the problem and it had nothing to do with my tv standard

[20:42:14]

sphery:

duerF: Out of curiosity, what was the problem?

[20:42:32]

sphery:

So next time, I can /really/ help someone. :)

[20:42:33]

duerF:

sphery, for some reason all my encoders were set to 480x480

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sphery:

Oh. Yeah. That can be an issue on some ivtv cards/driver version.

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duerF:

sphery, and that gave very degraded images at special places

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duerF:

sphery, mostly in commercials and some cartoons

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sphery:

Glad you got it fixed. I really couldn't understand how it worked before (without PAL-H), but it didn't now.

[20:43:45]

duerF:

sphery, me neither

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duerF:

sphery, I basicly did a "v4l2-ctl --all > file"

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sphery:

Anyway, you're back in business, so enjoy.

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duerF:

sphery, then I fired up mythbackend, and then did v4l2-ctl --all > file2"

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duerF:

sphery, did a diff, and saw different standards being used

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sphery:

good approach... See what changed

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duerF:

sphery, didnt notice the other issue

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duerF:

heh, the quality of the picture is leaps and bounds better also

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sphery:

Yeah. The scaler in the PVR-x50's isn't great. :)

[20:47:35]

sphery:

I find that capturing at 720x480 and--if I want lower res/bitrate--transcoding gives best results.

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duerF:

maybe this will also deal with my hangs

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duerF:

livetv has been hanging occasionally when the ringbuffer is switching files..

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sphery:

duerF: Yeah, that's a known issue.

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TheLorax:

can anybody here help me configure my kerenl for the gentoo ivtv package? I can't seem to enable VIDEO_IVTV _TVEEPROM OR _TVTUNER... I have a 2.6.22 and I'm trying to install ivtv 1.0.2

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TheLorax:

emerge ivtv says I need those compiled into my kernel, but they simply aren't there as prompts

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duerF:

sphery, is there a ticket in trac ?

[20:51:08]

sphery:

duerF: It's a very complex issue, too. LiveTV doesn't get a lot of testing, though, so it's very slow in getting fixed.

[20:51:31]

duerF:

sphery, gets a lot of testing here since I have no antenna hooked up to my TV

[20:51:52]

duerF:

sphery, so that problem doesn't give me lots of love @ home ;)

[20:51:55]

sphery:

duerF: #2335

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sphery:

duerF: OK, doesn't get a lot of testing by the mythtv devs. :)

[20:52:49]

sphery:

there's a broken workaround in there that may be acceptable for you (but it's not the right fix).

[20:52:55]

sphery:

it does cause other problems, though.

[20:54:52]

sphery:

TheLorax: Sorry that this channel doesn't seem any more responsive. Might want to try the mythtv-users mailing list or ivtv/gentoo channels/lists.

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sphery:

TheLorax: Oh. Spoke too soon. Sounds like Cardoe (gentoo packager) is planning to help you in #gentoo-mythtv

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keith4:

silly gentoo users

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keith4:

masochists

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Yahooadam:

agh im having a small problem, my frontend wont connect to my MySQL backend (ubuntu)

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keith4:

separate boxes?

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Yahooadam:

yep

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Yahooadam:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

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Yahooadam:

Database error was:

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Yahooadam:

Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.

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Yahooadam:

(and the last 2 numbers ;))

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keith4:

what's in mysql log on backend?

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keith4:

(you don't have to hide your IP when it's on a private network)

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Yahooadam:

true i guess

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Perdignus:

There seem to be a number of different versions of the PVR-150 out there, does it matter which one I get?

[21:00:22]

Yahooadam:

better gimmie 5, still doing channel scan

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Yahooadam:

mysql.err and mysql.log are both empty :S

[21:01:49]

Yahooadam:

im guessing somthing on the server is blocking mysql

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Yahooadam:

mythfilldatabase wont work either

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Ribs:

Yahooadam, is it running?

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Ribs:

check it's actually listening on a network interface as well

[21:04:31]

Ribs:

and not just using a .sock file

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Yahooadam:

the mysql database is definetly running

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Yahooadam:

how do i check if its listening on the NI ?

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ille:

Yahooadam: A common problem is by default mysql does not answer on the network, check for an option skip-networking in your config file for mysql

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ille:

Yahooadam: otherwise to check if it is listening: netstat -an | grep 3306

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Yahooadam:

wheres the mysql config file :( cant find anything useful on google

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Yahooadam:

its listening on 127.0.0.1

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Yahooadam:

so sounds like thats the problem

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ille:

Yahooadam: /etc/mysql/my.cnf maybe

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Yahooadam:

socket = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock

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ille:

Yahooadam: I guess they have removed skip-networking and now you have to change the option bind-address from 127.0.0.1 to your box IP

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Yahooadam:

"isntead of skip-networkign the fault is now to listen only on localhost which is more compatible and is not less secure"

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Yahooadam:

bind-address = 127.0.0.1

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ille:

Yahooadam: exactly, change that to the IP-address of your box.

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Yahooadam:

kk

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Yahooadam:

whey :)

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Yahooadam:

ty :)

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Yahooadam:

now back to these damn tuners :p

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sphery:

Wow... Daniel has done some really good things to the channel scanner since last time I used it.

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Yahooadam:

its pretty good :)

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Yahooadam:

last time i tried to tune on mythtv it was hell :p

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minthome:

when watching analog cable (either live or recorded) the video looks really bad. I'm using a default install.

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squidly:

minthome: what capture card do you have?

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minthome:

The video isn't the typical grainy, as it's liney if you will.

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minthome:

PVR150

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squidly:

and have you tried another cable, I have had that issue and it turned out to be a bad coax cable

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minthome:

my HD via 5500 looks brilliant

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minthome:

squidly, wouldn't it look like that then if i directly connected the cable to my teevee?

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squidly:

no, I have it where my dog just touched the cable and my video went from good to bad

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minthome:

because it doesn't

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minthome:

hum...

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minthome:

i'll check...

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sphery:

minthome: make sure you're running at full resolution (720x480 or 720x576 for NTSC or PAL, respectively)

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minthome:

sphery, what do you mean? The rez of the wm?

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sphery:

Anyone know what "No tables" means in a channel scan?

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Wonderman:

hi!! a simple and short Q...

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sphery:

minthome: No, the capture resolution in your recording profiles.

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squidly:

blasted at&t

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Wonderman:

whit mythtv if i have only 1 tvcard cand use picture in picture?

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sphery:

Wonderman: No. Need 2 or more (and I'm counting one PVR-500 as 2 cards.)

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squidly:

Wonderman: if your card supports pip or has 2 decoders on it like the pvr-500

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minthome:

Wonderman, nope. unless the card has multiple inpits

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minthome:

lol

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squidly:

lol.. wow think she got enough answered?

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Yahooadam:

can you play a recording and live tv ?

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sphery:

Nope.

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sphery:

Some have talked about adding support for it, but IMHO, it's a waste of time developing it. :)

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squidly:

sphery: I agree there

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sphery:

I'll just record both shows, then watch them without commercials at 1.5x or 1.75x and finish both in less time than it took to broadcast either one.

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sphery:

That way I get audio for both, too.

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soothsayer:

Are any hardware h.264 decoders known to exist?

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soothsayer:

(For PCs and available to consumers)

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PSU:

does anyone have problems with MythVideo when ripping a DVD where it just exits the program and leaves at the screen where it says press 0 to schedule a job...this happened with two different DVDs.

[21:36:43]

Yahooadam:

only the ones in the ATI cards (i believe), and they arent linux compatible

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sphery:

soothsayer: None that I know of. Some do MPEG-4, but, TTBOMK, none do MPEG-4 AVC (H.264)

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soothsayer:

Yahooadam: Those are hardware assist only, I believe

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PSU:

i guess i meant mythdvd

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squidly:

ok how can I change from useing opengl to qt on my frontend with out going in to the myth-frontend?

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sphery:

PSU: I think you're forgetting to start the rip (or you're not running mtd, properly--see http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-20.html#ss20.3 )

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ille:

squidly: IIRC, mythfrontend -o ThemePainter=qt

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sphery:

soothsayer: Oh. I was talking encoders, not decoders. nvm

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squidly:

ille: will that reset it for when I just use mythfrontend?

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sphery:

squidly: but make sure you change it in the frontend to make it permanent

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PSU:

sphery: okay, i will check it out

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n00b:

hey... sorry the question but.. what can mythtv do than pctv on windows can`t? :S only to see what to choose

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squidly:

sphery: I've been haveing an issue with the frontend

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sphery:

-O (and it has to be capital) is a "one-time" override

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squidly:

when ever the frontend restarts is crashes x

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PSU:

sphery: actually i see the mtd.log file and it's giving me the following error:

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PSU:

17:33:45: job thread beginning to rip dvd title

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PSU:

17:33:45: Error: DVDPerfectThread read failed for 3024766096 blocks at 15

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sphery:

use mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt and then go to settings to change the OpenGL painter to the QT painter

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PSU:

do you think my Drive is just bad? i installed myth w/o any issues

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sphery:

then see if it still does the same

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sphery:

PSU: Looks like a copy protected CD. Myth can't rip those.

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PSU:

oh, well wouldn't most movies be copy protected? :)

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squidly:

sphery: I have tried with both opengl and the qt theme painter

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sphery:

Most are encrypted (and Myth will pull the encrypted data off the disc), but some new ones are actually copy protected, i.e. using Sony's new ARccOS (break your DVD's) format

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PSU:

sphery: ah ok, makes sense! thanks!

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sphery:

squidly: Oh, then you may want to talk to others using your distro for Myth... That means I'm not a good person to help.

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Yahooadam:

sigh

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squidly:

sphery: kk thanks

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Yahooadam:

having no luck atall with mythfilldatabase

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minthome:

hum... maybe it is that cable. cause I just plugged it into the tv and it looks pretty bad too. Not AS bad, but bad

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rambo3:

where is my chess ????????????

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dougl:

anyone using dreamlinux for mythtv = I am trying to configure a MS media center remote to use with myth

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minthome:

dougl, what's the problem?

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sphery:

Yahooadam: What issues with mfdb?

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Yahooadam:

i think ive got it now, found a guide to getting UK listings going :)

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Yahooadam:

i was using UK alternate EPG guide, but that needs XMLTV or whatever

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dougl:

minthome, following wiki instructions for debian base I am missing kernel sources so I am kinda stuck

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sphery:

Glad you got it. I'd be no help with UK stuff... Just assumed that you might be a US user switching to SD.

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minthome:

so you haven't installed the module for the remote

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dougl:

minthome, no

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Yahooadam:

my tv room is a mess :p

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minthome:

welp, your gonna have to build it and install it

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Yahooadam:

ariel and power cables everywhere, keyboard, mouse and computer bits over the floor

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minthome:

dougl, uname -a, see what krnl version your using and then go grab the src

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dougl:

uname -r = 2.6.18.1-kanotix-1

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dougl:

uname -a

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dougl:

Linux sempron 2.6.18.1-kanotix-1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Nov 29 15:15:15 EST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux

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minthome:

http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/l . . . 18.1.tar.bz2

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minthome:

can't get the remote to work without the driver\module

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dougl:

getting it now and gonna extract and make link... then "dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source" again

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dougl:

minthome I got the module built and loaded but when I check with irw I get no output

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minthome:

your sure it's loaded?

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minthome:

lsmod | grep whateveritscalled

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dougl:

lirc_dev 13700 1 lirc_mceusb2

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dougl:

and 2 other entries too

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minthome:

hum

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minthome:

and you start irw and point the remote to the reciever and push buttons nothing?

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dougl:

correct...

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dougl:

I need lircd.conf?

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minthome:

unplug the reciever and plug it back in

[22:10:16]

minthome:

nah, not yet

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minthome:

then tail -n 100 /var/log/messages

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dougl:

tail -n 100 /var/log/messages = nothing new after unplug and plugin usb reciever

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dougl:

minthome, lsusb = Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0471:0815 Philips

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dougl:

among a few others

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minthome:

and still nothing

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minthome:

does irw complain or... just blank

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dougl:

just blank

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minthome:

i donno man. not sure what to tell ya

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minthome:

ps axf | grep lirc

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minthome:

heh, that's probally your problem..

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minthome:

should see /usr/sbin/lircd -d /dev/lirc0

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dougl:

ps axf | grep lirc

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dougl:

12329 pts/3 S+ 0:00 \_ grep lirc

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dougl:

12303 ? Ss 0:00 lircd

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minthome:

ls /dev/lirc*

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dougl:

/dev/lirc*

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dougl:

/dev/lirc /dev/lirc0 /dev/lircd /dev/lircm

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minthome:

O_o what the m... ok...

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dougl:

err 1st line is ls ...

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dougl:

ie ls /dev/lirc*

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dougl:

second line is output

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minthome:

kill lird and restart it manually like lircd -d /dev/lirc0

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minthome:

pointing directly to the device

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dougl:

lircd -d /dev/lirc0

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dougl:

lircd: could not open config file '/etc/lircd.conf'

[22:23:01]

dougl:

lircd: No such file or directory

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minthome:

oh, heh... guess ya did need it. welp, there's your problem

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dougl:

that is the output when ever – lol

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dougl:

lmao

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dougl:

looking for a lircd.conf now

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minthome:

dougl, here's what i use

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minthome:

http://www.freshstation.org/~mintee/lircd.conf

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Yahooadam:

anyone here have any experience with UK DVB-T ?

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clamantis:

any debian users upgrade to 0.20.2 yet?

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juski:

Yahooadam: what's up?

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juski:

and is it just me or is there something wrong with recordings from channel 5 having the video scan type incorrectly identified in 'auto' mode?

[22:42:28]

Yahooadam:

im having no luck geting the 14 day EPG to work :(

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juski:

Yahooadam: the radiotimes one?

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Yahooadam:

yeah

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juski:

cos that's all there is for now – eit is only 7 days max at the mo

[22:43:28]

Yahooadam:

the radiotimes one doesnt work atall ?

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juski:

Yahooadam: 1. make a 'video source'. give it a nice name with no spaces. tell mythtv-setup to use the tv_grab_uk_rt grabber

[22:44:10]

juski:

then you'll see a progress bar appear to hang at 50%. press alt-tab or whatever key to give the terminal you launched it from focus

[22:44:44]

Esine:

I don't understand how anyone can need program data for more than next few hours and a day at most, but I guess I'm not really into the TV culture nor do I understand it that well

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juski:

then you tell the grabber (which by now is in its config stage) which channels you want. don't be lazy & just say 'all'

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Yahooadam:

ahh i think i see

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juski:

Esine: because the majority of users don't sit in front of their TV & graze random shows for hours

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Yahooadam:

cos im not launching it from term

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Esine:

juski, you mean majority of MythTV users

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juski:

Esine: yeah. the majority of _learned_ mythtv users let mythtv record what they want to watch & then they watch what they want to watch on their own terms at a time to suit _them_

[22:46:05]

Esine:

ok..

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juski:

that's the beauty of mythtv :D

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juski:

I used to sit in front of the tv all night every night. not now

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Yahooadam:

ok

[22:46:59]

juski:

Yahooadam: so what's the bit you can't get working or don't understand?

[22:47:03]

Yahooadam:

so i have the questionaire thing :)

[22:47:10]

Yahooadam:

how do i know which chans i can get ?

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juski:

Yahooadam: yeh. now this is a little bit tricky

[22:47:44]

juski:

ITV & BBC1 & BBC2 being split into regions makes this a bit harder than it should be

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Yahooadam:

do a scan, print the database, start again ?

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juski:

Yahooadam: well, I know a kinda shortcut you can use which'll be made easier with mythweb

[22:48:33]

Yahooadam:

he he

[22:48:39]

Yahooadam:

well im still downloading the addon pack

[22:48:50]

Yahooadam:

oh ok, plugin pack is downloaded

[22:48:52]

juski:

Yahooadam: imagine the name you gave the video source which you've assigned to your tuners is er.. 'antenna'

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anon352345:

does anyone know the file where the ip address is stored that allows you to run multiple frontends

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Yahooadam:

but i dunno how to integrate it

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juski:

anon352345: it's not a file

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anon352345:

what is it?

[22:50:06]

anon352345:

or how can i change it without running mythtv-setup

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juski:

Yahooadam: in the directory of the user you run mythtv-setup as (usually mythtv) is a dir called .mythtv. in there is a file called antenna.xmltv or whatever you called the video source .xmltv ;) Inside that file is a list of stuff

[22:50:19]

juski:

anon352345: you cannot change it without running mythtv-setup

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Yahooadam:

ok

[22:51:35]

anon352345:

so what if mythtv setup does not work

[22:51:41]

juski:

Yahooadam: actually if you read the wiki about the uk_rt grabber it'll help somewhat...

[22:51:45]

juski:

anon352345: you're screwed!

[22:51:45]

Yahooadam:

but im guessing that xmltv file gets filled up when i do that questionaire ?

[22:51:51]

anon352345:

great

[22:53:07]

anon352345:

juski can you tell me if it is not stored in a file where is it stored?

[22:53:19]

juski:

Yahooadam: yes it does. it gets populated with lines like "channel $xmltvid" where $xmltvid is the xmltvid of a channel you want to grab data for. you can find out which xmltvids go with each channel by looking in the chanids file which lives in /usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt/chanids IIRC

[22:53:31]

dougl:

minthome, I seem to be getting favourable output from irw – gonna config to autoload modules and test... thanks for the help – still hoping we can chat sum-more.

[22:53:32]

juski:

anon352345: it's stored in the database along with all the other settings

[22:53:45]

Yahooadam:

i think i might go EIT for the evening :p

[22:53:55]

juski:

anon352345: maybe you should address what is making mythtv-setup fail

[22:53:56]

Yahooadam:

when i understand all this a bit better, then the radio times method :p

[22:54:12]

minthome:

dougl, no worries

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anon352345:

it is accessing an ip where mysql isnt

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juski:

anon352345: so you tell mythtv-setup where the mysql server is like a good boy

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anon352345:

thats what i would like to do

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Yahooadam:

goto general in the settings

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Yahooadam:

and then type in the IP

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juski:

Yahooadam: yeah the radiotimes grabber is kinda complicated for freeview users, which is why I intend to make a config wizard for us UK peeps

[22:55:42]

Yahooadam:

please do :D

[22:56:07]

Yahooadam:

if i actually like mythtv then im gonna have to get sky working aswell – *sobs*

[22:56:36]

juski:

Yahooadam: lol. that's gonna be fun, cos not all the Sly channels have EPG data on uk_rt

[22:56:46]

Yahooadam:

oh ... joy

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juski:

thankfully the channels _worth_ having (unless you like gay porn) are all there

[22:56:57]

Yahooadam:

:p

[22:57:03]

Yahooadam:

well i am partial ....

[22:57:26]

Yahooadam:

how do u install mythweb on ubuntu, just sudo apt-get install mythweb on the backend ?

[22:57:26]

juski:

anyway, why want an EPG? it's all cooks & asses innit

[22:57:40]

juski:

Yahooadam: plenty of docs in the ubuntu community area

[22:57:44]

Yahooadam:

i donno why u need EPG on porn channels

[22:57:59]

dougl:

minthome, do you use dreamlinux?

[22:58:00]

Yahooadam:

its porn ffs, its not like your watching it for the articles

[22:58:11]

kash:

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/beyonce . . . stray_bullet

[22:58:12]

kash:

LOL

[22:58:19]

kash:

Beyonce Unhurt After Stray Bullet Miraculously Hits Passerby Instead

[22:58:26]

juski:

Yahooadam: http://www.parker1.co.uk/mythtv_id.php – he has a scripts already!

[22:58:27]

directhex:

Yahooadam, so you know whether you've got "wet t shits 8" or "deluxe interracial gangbang 18"

[22:58:28]

Yahooadam:

bugger :p

[22:58:43]

Yahooadam:

just tried it

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Yahooadam:

didnt work

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juski:

Yahooadam: rly?

[22:58:52]

Yahooadam:

but that might be cos i havent got it setup right yet

[22:59:01]

Yahooadam:

cos i havent answered all those questions

[22:59:55]

juski:

Yahooadam: ahhh. those are easy to populate

[23:00:16]

Yahooadam:

yeah its on my todo list :p

[23:00:20]

juski:

personally I don't think the current method is very good anyway – one slip & you end up with a channel which has EPG data but it'll be useless cos it won't work

[23:00:38]

Yahooadam:

MCE seems to be so much easier ....

[23:00:53]

juski:

MCE is much easier to setup, but.. it's a PoS

[23:01:19]

juski:

the idea behind my wizard is- you tell it yer postcode, who you get yer TV from & it'll do the rest

[23:01:35]

juski:

the hard part is putting all the data for it together

[23:01:46]

Yahooadam:

MCE works fine, except u cant have 2 different 2 sources

[23:02:06]

Yahooadam:

ofc that is rather gay for alot of people

[23:02:12]

Yahooadam:

but its much much easier to get going

[23:02:18]

juski:

the windows fanboy I work with is always complaining about MCE recording stuff he's already recorded. or just not recording stuff at all

[23:02:47]

juski:

with the right people on the case mythtv is gonna get a whole load easier

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Yahooadam:

hopefully

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juski:

it already has – I mean since I started using it you no longer have to manually enter every damn Freeview channel by hand. 2 pages of config for every blimmin channel!

[23:03:18]

anon352345:

juski the ip cannot be stored in the database, because i just purged the database, plus it needs to know what the ip is to access the database

[23:03:26]

Yahooadam:

cos atm you will miss alot more while trying to setup mythtv ;)

[23:03:47]

juski:

anon352345: it looks for a file called mysql.txt initially though

[23:04:00]

juski:

and the IP IS stored in the database

[23:04:18]

anon352345:

hmm

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anon352345:

ok

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juski:

the mysql.txt file tells a part of mythtv where the database lives. the master backend IP & all the other backend IPs are in the DB

[23:04:53]

juski:

once mythtv finds the DB, it finds everything else

[23:05:01]

Yahooadam:

im just hoping they move the backend config off of X

[23:05:07]

Yahooadam:

cos thats a right pain in the ass

[23:05:10]

anon352345:

ok so i think i need ot change the mysql.txt

[23:05:11]

anon352345:

thanks

[23:05:11]

juski:

Yahooadam: why?

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Yahooadam:

beacause i had to install ALL the gnome crap to setup mythbackend

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juski:

no you didn't

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Yahooadam:

well alot of it

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Yahooadam:

or im n00b – either way :p

[23:05:57]

juski:

you still didn't have to install any gnome crap

[23:06:07]

juski:

other window managers are available

[23:06:19]

Yahooadam:

well its the same deal really

[23:06:22]

juski:

hell you can even startx, fire up an xterm & do it with no window manager

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directhex:

ubuntu uses openbox for myth-specific machines

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clamantis:

i think you can change some backend settings through mythweb including ip

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Yahooadam:

where is the mythbackend startscript in ubuntu ?

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juski:

/etc/init.d/mythtv

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juski:

/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend

[23:07:20]

juski:

just sit back, read the ubuntu community docs on mythtv. seriously

[23:07:28]

Yahooadam:

aha ;)

[23:08:08]

directhex:

juski, docs are for losers! irc is so much more interactive!

[23:08:09]

Yahooadam:

ok

[23:08:10]

juski:

anyway speaking of my config wizard I wonder where I saved all my postcode working out code

[23:08:29]

juski:

directhex: true. but irc is the first straw lazy people clutch at when they need help :-P

[23:09:33]

juski:

good job we're all good-tempered nice people round here ;)

[23:09:43]

Yahooadam:

:)

[23:09:56]

Yahooadam:

ive spend like 3 hours on google today :p

[23:10:00]

Yahooadam:

im tierd ;)

[23:10:27]

juski:

hey you can almost smell the panic people are gonna have in the next 24 hours or so

[23:10:38]

juski:

I'm not sure I'm looking fwd to that yet

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Yahooadam:

:)

[23:10:51]

Yahooadam:

i thought it was a relitevly painless switch ?

[23:11:07]

directhex:

juski, anyway, i worked it out a few days ago. homo sapiens as a species is dying out. homo stultus is taking over

[23:11:09]

juski:

oh it is, if you _know_ the other is going away

[23:11:36]

juski:

there's gonna be people running around like headless chickens on saturday

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dougl:

minthome, you still here – modules autoload and lirc starting on boot... I have lircrc file in ~/.mythtv but still no remote control over myth.

[23:12:15]

directhex:

can we get an onjoin bot to say, via PM or somesuch, in capital letters, what the problem they're gonna ask about is?

[23:12:19]

** dougl is fumbling with lirc config for mythtv **

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juski:

directhex: trolls? hahaha

[23:12:36]

Yahooadam:

its a bit of a shame that they only released the new update for mythtv a few days ago

[23:12:43]

Yahooadam:

not been much time to test the new system

[23:12:56]

Yahooadam:

plus everyone was already running round like a headless chicken ;)

[23:13:07]

juski:

it couldn't be done til it was ready

[23:13:26]

Yahooadam:

true :)

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juski:

and FWIW, as fast a job as the SD guys have done it'd never be fast enough for some

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juski:

I'm just glad the whining seems to have quietened down considerably. was v. demoralising

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clamantis:

no one here running debian?

[23:14:33]

pat_:

ubuntu is nearly debian isn't it?

[23:14:40]

juski:

good as

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juski:

or as bad as, depending on your distro-hate status

[23:14:57]

directhex:

give or take. more or less.

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Yahooadam:

:p

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clamantis:

wondering what sources people are using for 0.20.2

[23:15:19]

Yahooadam:

the ubuntu reps :p

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juski:

clamantis: sources? there are packages man

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clamantis:

my system seems to think it is the latest but its not

[23:15:33]

clamantis:

in sources.lst

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pat_:

I built my own repository with softpad included!

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directhex:

hasn't marillat put any packages up yet?

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Yahooadam:

do sudo apt-get update

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clamantis:

done

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Yahooadam:

then sudo apt-get upgrade

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clamantis:

done

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juski:

just use superm1's repo

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juski:

Yahooadam: not a good idea if he just wants to update mythtv. oh boy

[23:16:42]

juski:

why not just break one thing at a time ? ;)

[23:16:48]

directhex:

hm, i'd be concerned about versions of things it's built against

[23:16:52]

directhex:

using a source package isn't hard though

[23:17:04]

Yahooadam:

:p

[23:17:05]

clamantis:

apt-cache show mythtv says im on 0.20–0.2

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juski:

sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins

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directhex:

download the 0.20.2–0ubuntu2 source package files from packages.ubuntu.com/mythtv

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juski:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/yada/yada/yada/etc

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Yahooadam:

compiling ftl :( :p

[23:17:31]

directhex:

dpkg-source -x mythblah.dsc

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directhex:

cd myth* && dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot

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juski:

./configure --prefix=$someprefix make && sudo make install

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clamantis:

my sources.lst is pointed at debian-multimedia.org's sid repository

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directhex:

it'll tell you which packages you're missing if any

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minthome:

dougl, one sec

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directhex:

clamantis, looks like christian's not updated his packages yet

[23:18:16]

juski:

Yahooadam: compiling saved me from the hell which was Dapper's mythtv packages

[23:18:28]

clamantis:

you sure? i'm looking here

[23:18:29]

directhex:

juski, my dapper packages ae fine TYVM!

[23:18:29]

clamantis:

http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstab . . . e/mythtv.php

[23:18:32]

directhex:

0.20.2!

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juski:

they did everything *wrong*. stupid random db passwords etc

[23:18:48]

minthome:

dougl, here, use this one. www.freshstation.org/~mintee/lircrc

[23:19:04]

dougl:

minthome, thanks – I will try that :)

[23:19:12]

Yahooadam:

oh fcuk

[23:19:20]

Yahooadam:

i just shutdown my fileserver <_<

[23:19:22]

minthome:

dougl, i've tried like 5 different ones and this is the best

[23:19:22]

juski:

directhex: oh I got frustrated long before 0.20 was even out. the default dapper packages sucked

[23:19:36]

Yahooadam:

feisty ftw :p

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juski:

festery

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juski:

or is that fistery?

[23:19:58]

juski:

or grumbly goat

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Yahooadam:

tbh, its a bit sad that the latest version is usually the only one with good support

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juski:

Yahooadam: in that event, just build yer own!

[23:20:22]

directhex:

http://directhex.mfgames.com/

[23:20:32]

juski:

it's not much of a hardship to build one app & its plugins

[23:20:51]

juski:

plus you get to use something _current_ with the very latest bugfixes, not something 9 months old

[23:20:57]

dougl:

minthome, I don't need to restart myth do I = just copied over and checkin now :)

[23:21:07]

Yahooadam:

meh, im on fiesty anyway

[23:21:12]

Yahooadam:

so i have the latest version ;)

[23:21:15]

juski:

dougl: if you change a lircrc file you need to restart the frontend

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Yahooadam:

until gutsy comes out

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juski:

dougl: I mean restart mythfrontend

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directhex:

horny hippo!

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juski:

helpless haemaphrodite

[23:22:01]

juski:

I make much better ubuntu names

[23:22:16]

juski:

my backend is still running on Diaper AFAIK

[23:22:21]

clamantis:

directhex: did you see the link i sent? christian seems to have updated. cant figure out why apt-get-upgrade doesn't see 0.20.2

[23:22:22]

Yahooadam:

:p

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juski:

clamantis: out of date gpg key?

[23:22:59]

clamantis:

wouldn't i get an error?

[23:23:07]

juski:

aye you have a point

[23:23:16]

clamantis:

nada

[23:23:32]

sphery:

Anyone know if a powered TV amplifier (booster) in a hot attic would be likely to die over the course of a Florida summer?

[23:23:39]

directhex:

clamantis, http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstab . . . /Packages.gz

[23:23:44]

Yahooadam:

agh wtf

[23:23:46]

juski:

sphery: depends on its max operating temp

[23:23:46]

directhex:

clamantis, he hasn't updated, despite what his page says

[23:23:52]

Yahooadam:

why isnt mysql being loaded with ubuntu

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juski:

sphery: and how hot the attic gets :-P

[23:24:01]

clamantis:

ok thanks – that's good to know. that would explain it

[23:24:09]

sphery:

juski: Hmmm. Perhaps I should have done some research before buying...

[23:24:27]

Yahooadam:

how do people in florida normally survive ?

[23:24:31]

juski:

sphery: go with the non-melty type

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directhex:

Yahooadam, on the basis that it works for other people, how about "user error" for a reason?

[23:24:55]

Yahooadam:

probably

[23:24:55]

directhex:

sphery, yeah, get one that's not made of ice or cake

[23:24:58]

clamantis:

anyone have another source for debian? i'd love to try from source but if i break it and my wife can't get soap operas there'll be hell to pay

[23:25:03]

Yahooadam:

how do i add mysql to the bootup applications ?

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clamantis:

another package i should say

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juski:

Yahooadam: sudo er..

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directhex:

clamantis, no. you build from source, or you build from a 0.20.2 source package.

[23:25:34]

sphery:

I'm definitely getting a weaker signal to my cards now (which could just be because it's summer) and turning up the amplification level seems to do nothing to the signal level (which points to a problem with my amp).

[23:25:39]

juski:

rc.d-update or something, Yahooadam

[23:25:41]

directhex:

Yahooadam, you must've done some funky shit for it not to be there

[23:26:05]

juski:

ahh sudo update-rc.d mysql default

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juski:

or use the GUI tool thingummyjig

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Yahooadam:

if i had the gui on :p

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juski:

sphery: tuner cards have AGCs ya know.. any gain past a certain point will actually only make matters (like noise) worse

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sphery:

So, on another note, anyone know how to diagnose a problem with a channel (caused by the broadcaster) that results in "No tables" in the channel scanner?

[23:28:16]

juski:

sphery: them breaking FCC rules, maybe? ;)

[23:28:17]

sphery:

Channel worked great until about a week ago.

[23:28:22]

directhex:

beat them with a pool cue

[23:28:29]

dougl:

minthome, seems to work pretty good – thanks... just need to check config file for guide button :)

[23:28:42]

sphery:

juski: pretty sure that's the problem, but it's a local community college's digital channels, so I figured it's not malicious intent

[23:28:59]

juski:

sphery: thing is if myth cant get it, can anything else and do they even know?

[23:29:00]

sphery:

wanted to diagnose the problem so I could contact them and tell them what they're doing wrong.

[23:29:38]

juski:

if their channel info isn't in the tables embedded in the transport, that'd confuzzle every receiver

[23:30:01]

juski:

the SIT IIRC

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juski:

and the PAT possibly

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sphery:

So, I'm likely going to have to read way too much about SIT, PAT, PMT, ... to figure this out.

[23:30:58]

juski:

my dvb has gone rusty

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sphery:

My DVB is non-existent.

[23:31:18]

juski:

PAT has info about which channels have which PIDs

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juski:

SIT is the table with info about all the streams on a transponder IIRC

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Yahooadam:

right im gonna take a break while it scans :)

[23:32:04]

sphery:

I guess I can start with azap and work my way round to dvbsnoop and see if anything jumps out at me. (Though I'm likely to not even notice if something is wrong.)

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juski:

saying that the amount of STBs etc which do quick & dirty reception is annoying

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juski:

like they're always in "wing it" mode or something

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directhex:

cheeze it!

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sphery:

Yeah, and unfortunately, the broadcasters seem to use those consumer-electronics STB's as "standards-compliance" testing.

[23:33:05]

minthome:

dougl, you got it. glad to help

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juski:

sphery: there are still broadcasting rules they have to abide by

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juski:

the DVB & ATSC standards bodies don't exist for no reason

[23:34:56]

juski:

Hey I have an idea.Why not bug the mythdora people about their own installer on their own forums?!

[23:34:59]

juski:

oops

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juski:

Ewrongwindow

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juski:

oh dear. another forum user thinks he has 0.20.2.. library API version: 0.20.20060828–3

[23:36:46]

juski:

wong!

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sphery:

lol, close, though :)

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directhex:

juski, numbers are confusing. there are so many of them!

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my2keh:

HA! i made the same mistake

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directhex:

juski, a frequent problem when i used cedega is they;d follow up version 4.4–1 with 4.4.1

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dougl:

minthome, yep – thanks to you, I got it – thank you very much I appreciate the help :)

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my2keh:

for like 1 second

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my2keh:

heh

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my2keh:

wasn't paying attention

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juski:

packagers et al should use a unified numbering/naming scheme

[23:39:08]

juski:

but then, with the egos involved in OSS projects, there'd end up being more than 2 schemes, each being more 'right' than the rest

[23:39:24]

juski:

fork!

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my2keh:

lol

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juski:

no, we don't want no stinking dots in our version numbers. from henceforth we shall use 'NIH!'

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directhex:

spoon!

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clamantis:

ha

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juski:

imagine if there was no poverty, no famine, no religion. we could be sending our brave young lads to die for 'which desktop is best?'

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juski:

gotta love open source for that

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juski:

hmm can't find anything on the ML about this video scan detection problem. could've sworn i'd seen posts about it

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