Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, August 24th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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GreyFoxx:

Sweeet. I've been wanting to try it out. Just watching for the next sync up with trunk

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janneg:

but you may want to wait a couple of days. I'll sync the branch to trunk once no more changes for SD are needed

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janneg:

and I should probably push my autoexpirer changes. 30G free space are just silly

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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janneg:

and you'll have to patch it if you want 8 recorders

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GreyFoxx:

oh? What sort of limit does it have now ?

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janneg:

iirc 5. I patched it myself for testing

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GreyFoxx:

ahh ok

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GreyFoxx:

well I'll definately looking at that :)

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PSU:

any settings that you guys recommend to tweak my nvidia gf4...i'm watching the little league world seires and i get some lines when there's action

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GreyFoxx:

janneg: any idea why every once in awhile when I start playback (always of a iptv source recording or it seems to only bee those) video will be scrambled? There is enough initial definition for me to tell it was part of the original image but toally unwatchable. Stopping and starting playback works though sometimes it has to be stopped/started a couple times

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GreyFoxx:

the funny thing is. The preview video is always perfect

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GreyFoxx:

recordings from other sources never have this problem, and as I mentioned the preview playback is always fine

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janneg:

GreyFoxx: patch is simple: http://pastebin.ca/668650

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Tanthrix:

PSU: Doing tv-out over composite or s-video?

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GreyFoxx:

janneg: nice :)

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PSU:

Tanthrix: s-video to composite (i think that's what it is, standard 3" dongle)?

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Tanthrix:

I take it your tv doesn't have s-video in

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PSU:

correct

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janneg:

GreyFoxx: read that earlier. I've no idea. is it a playback or a recording issue? i.e. does the first live-tv recording plays back ok from the watch recordings screen?

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PSU:

Tanthrix: basic 27" tv

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Tanthrix:

PSU: Well, what you're seeing is interlacing. Run nvidia-settings, go to the tv-out page, and fiddle with the anti-flicker filter. Try putting it about half-way.

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GreyFoxx:

janneg: in my case livetv is never involved. It's just playback. doesn't always happen, but enough to be quite annoying

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PSU:

Tanthrix: okay, thanks. is the command "nvidia-settings" ?

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Tanthrix:

PSU: Aye – it's a little nvidia app for changing video settings.

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PSU:

cool, thanks!

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Tanthrix:

No prob.

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GreyFoxx:

janneg: seems to always been stuff recorded from iptv sources

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GreyFoxx:

but it plays perfect in the preview and with other players

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Tanthrix:

And if that doesn't work, you can try using one of myth's built in deinterlacers, but nvidia's is better

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GreyFoxx:

and I'm thinking that if I can exit playback and start again and it plays properly it's gotta be some sort of calculation on where to start playback or something going haywire

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janneg:

that's just redirected iptv from the dvb card right?

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GreyFoxx:

janneg: exactly

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PSU:

Tanthrix: just pulled it up...it's almost right in the middle (flicker) that is

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Tanthrix:

PSU: Well, you can try turning it up or down to see if that changes things.

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PSU:

ok, do i need to save it or will it do it on the fly?

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Tanthrix:

Hrm, not sure to be honest.

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janneg:

GreyFoxx: I'll try to reproduce that

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PSU:

Tanthrix: ok, np

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GreyFoxx:

janneg: If there is any debug info you want me to pull out let me know. it happens often enough that I can get something after a couple days if you tell me what to look for

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janneg:

nothing I can think of now

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GreyFoxx:

k

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** janneg is off to bed **

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GreyFoxx:

night :)

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PSU:

Tanthrix: that seemed to have helped...does that decrease image quality?

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Tanthrix:

PSU: Unsure. The anti-flicker filter is kind of mysterious

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Tanthrix:

I remember that it would make things look bad if I turned it all the way up on mine, I think

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Tanthrix:

If you're concerned you might just turn it off and try one of myth's

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PSU:

yeah, that's what i thought

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PSU:

just read this...

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PSU:

There are way to blur the horizontal line called "deinterlacing".

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PSU:

Go to TV Settings->Playback, first page. You could simply check

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PSU:

"Deinterlace playback", however, you will get better results if

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PSU:

you leave it unchecked and enter "kerneldeint" in the Custon

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PSU:

Filters test box.

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PSU:

3 yrs old – http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /037663.html

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Tanthrix:

Now kernal is an option – you don't have to enter it manually

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Tanthrix:

Lot of people think bob2x looks the best

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Tanthrix:

Really, you shouldn't need any since your TV is interlaced – for some reason it's just not lining up properly

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PSU:

i c

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Slyboots:

Hm.. What the hell is up with the Myth internal DVD player

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Tanthrix:

I used mine for years without any deinterlacing, then once I setup my new system I started seeing it here and there

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PSU:

all of this is foreign to me :P

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Slyboots:

Reads DVD's up to a certain ponint, then wont load any further beyond that\

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PSU:

Tanthrix: actually, i think "kerneldeint" in the Custon

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PSU:

Filters test box.

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PSU:

fixed it!

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Tanthrix:

PSU: What I meant is that kernel is an option now. When you check "deinterlace playback" you can choose it as an option, among a few others

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PSU:

ok, gotcha.. i'm going to leave kerneldeint on for now and see how it works

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PSU:

thanks for all of your help!

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Tanthrix:

Probably does the same thing.

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PSU:

gotcha

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kslater:

PSU – ping

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PSU:

kslater: i'm here...

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my2keh:

i'm here too!

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PSU:

ok l8r

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Aval0n_:

with analog cable, is it QAM 256 or QAM 64 that usually gives the local chans in HD?

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|Torg|:

anlog cable is not QAM

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MrSassyPants:

why do different users have a different interface?

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MrSassyPants:

that sounds too much like a fundamental question

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MrSassyPants:

I mean: what file / setting do I need to copy/link from one user to the next

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kash:

~/.mythtv

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MrSassyPants:

... nope

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kash:

mkdir /etc/mythtv; ln -s /etc/mythtv ~/.mythtv

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MrSassyPants:

or... hmm

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kash:

for all users

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MrSassyPants:

mysql.txt – LocalHostName=???

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MrSassyPants:

that's the culprit

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MrSassyPants:

I had one user store stuff locally

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MrSassyPants:

and the other linked to /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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clifton:

hi

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clifton:

i am trying to scan my frequencies but get "timout scanning frequency XXXXXX --no tables"

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clifton:

what is wrong?

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sayers:

Hello. is there a list of supported capture cards

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Akuma:

hello, does anyone know the keyboard shortcut to set the audio to a different language in mplayer (like for an ogm or mkv file that has multiple audio tracks)

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HydroUK:

hi

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HydroUK:

im looking for a UK transponder list for DVB-C (Cable)

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Aval0n_:

guys I got my spdif working to my tv

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Aval0n_:

but it seems very quiet

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Aval0n_:

I turned the mixer all the way up

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Aval0n_:

anyone seen that before?

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Aval0n_:

never mind

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Aval0n_:

I found the seperate mixer

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Aval0n_:

fixed it

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kash:

lol

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kash:

Akuma: man mplayer!

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floppyears:

hi guys how is it going ?

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kash:

hm, say i only have a CD burner in my frontend

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kash:

can i make a Video CD using mytharchive

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pat__:

can anyone give me a heads up on changing the hostname of the mythtv backend?

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pat__:

I can't find the page in the wiki

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Loto:

hostname is a linux thing, mythtv has nothign to do with that

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pat__:

Loto: found it

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pat__:

http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.15

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kash:

loto seems retarded, just ignore her.

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kash:

mythtv needs some DB changes in order to change the hostname.

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calvarez:

hi!

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calvarez:

question: I'm considering buying a hauppage WinTV-PVR 150 to make a MythTV box

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calvarez:

which remote works better, or is easier to get to work?

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calvarez:

the IR blaster one, or the MCE ones?

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Anduin:

calvarez: Do you need the blaster part to work?

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calvarez:

I just want to be able to use the remote

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calvarez:

is the IR blaster a little bit harder to get to work than the MCE one?

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calvarez:

I guess what I'm trying to figure out is whether I should go for the 1062 model or the 1045

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Anduin:

It used to be, it shouldn't be now.

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calvarez:

what do you mean, do both of them work fine now?

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Anduin:

They should, 0.8.2 or lirc has rx/tx for MCE rev 2, the pvr-150 one used to take some extra work but I think it is in there now as well.

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calvarez:

which one of the two models used to require more work?

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Anduin:

The 150 blaster one.

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calvarez:

1045?

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Anduin:

I don't know the part numbers, the non-MCE one (plugs directly into the 150 card)

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calvarez:

oh, I see

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calvarez:

the non-MCE one used to require more work, right? But, if I understand, now it should work just fine.

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calvarez:

Am I correct? (sorry for asking over and over) :)

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Anduin:

calvarez: Even the older hard way was easy, so yes (I don't have the 150 blaster version though)

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jjohns63:

does anyone know how to get firefox to download a recorded program via mythweb?

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jjohns63:

does anyone know how to get firefox to download a recorded program via mythweb?

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calvarez:

ok, question again: I am setting up a MythTV box: Athlon XP 2000+, 512MB RAM, 80GB HDD (this will suffice for my use), Hauppage WinTV PVR150

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calvarez:

what NVIDIA videocard would you recommend as a minimum?

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calvarez:

minimum but running smooth

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drindt:

it is required to have a mouse in xorg?

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Tanthrix:

calvarez: Well, pretty much anything above a GF4 will give you identical performance.

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Tanthrix:

calvarez: (For video stuff, that is)

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calvarez:

no improvement from 5200 to 6200?

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calvarez:

or more VRAM?

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Tanthrix:

Perhaps even a degradation – Dagmar said something was broken on the 6xxx series a while back

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calvarez:

oh

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Tanthrix:

None of that matters for video stuff past a certain point

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calvarez:

now, does it matter if the 5200 is low profile card?

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Tanthrix:

Not a bit as long as it comes with a full height slot (or you have a tiny case)

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Tanthrix:

Just don't spend anything over $40 USD. Even less perhaps.

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Tanthrix:

The only important video card issues for video are really related to the output, and mainly for HD setups. (IE, can it do full 1080p over dvi, or does it have component out, etc..)

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calvarez:

full height slot?

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Tanthrix:

And to a lesser extend, hardware acceleration of video such as XvMC, but all cards past the GF4 support that so it's moot

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Tanthrix:

It needs to have a full height bracket, otherwise you won't be able to mount it in a standard ATX case

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kash:

er my 6200 is completely fine

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kash:

nothing is broken

[06:14:32]

kash:

except that i can't figure out why the "Video scan" autodetect thinks it's interlaced.. when it's progressive scan..

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calvarez:

kash, which 6200 do you have?

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kash:

just the 6200

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calvarez:

6200, 6200a, 6200LE? what brand? how much vram?

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kash:

AGP

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kash:

i don't know which brand

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Tanthrix:

kash: Some don't suport the necessary video overlay support to do XvMC

[06:15:21]

kash:

and 256MB fo RAM

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kash:

it's find, Tanthrix

[06:15:41]

kash:

1080p with XvMC uses 40% CPU

[06:15:59]

kash:

Installed versions: 100.14.11(23:50:16 08/22/07)(-gtk kernel_linux -multilib)

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kash:

that's the driver I use

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Tanthrix:

kash: It's fine for *you* on *your* card. That does not mean that it is fine on all 6xxx cards.

[06:16:29]

kash:

i said my 6200

[06:16:35]

kash:

where the hell did i say it was for all 6xxx?

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Tanthrix:

My apologies.

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Tanthrix:

Anyway, I guess I shouldn't be spouting this out – I've never owned one, so I'm just repeating what I've heard from others

[06:17:22]

Tanthrix:

But considering the cheapness of video cards, might as well be safer than sorry.

[06:17:37]

kash:

the 6200 is remarkable for its price

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kash:

IMO

[06:17:50]

kash:

the 7300 does an equal job

[06:17:51]

Tanthrix:

(I grabbed my 7300GS for $35 – does 1080p over DVI just fine, with a dongle and all that for component)

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Tanthrix:

calvarez: Anyway, if you're just doing standard definition video, any nvidia card above the GF4 will give you the same performance with video, regardless of video ram.

[06:18:52]

Tanthrix:

And assuming you don't get some buggy or broken 6xxx card.

[06:19:51]

Tanthrix:

Unless you're using XvMC, your CPU and to a lesser extent ram dictate your video performance. And if you are using XvMC, it is my understanding that all the cards do pretty much the same mediocre job. Works for some, doesn't for others.

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Tanthrix:

It's only when you're doing HD video that you need to be picky about a card with regards to getting one that has the proper outputs for your TV (dvi or component) etc.

[06:20:43]

kash:

XVMC is only for MPEG2

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kash:

afaik

[06:21:08]

Tanthrix:

Aye, it is.

[06:21:28]

kash:

which is why my SDTV shows don't benefit from it :p

[06:21:41]

kash:

my HD stuff is MPEG2, but the SDTV is MPEG4 because it's a lamegrabber

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Tanthrix:

And as far as I know it's the only video card hardware assisted decoding supported in linux

[06:22:00]

Tanthrix:

All the latest and greatest purevideo stuff isn't supported, and probably won't be unless we get lucky.

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kash:

i'm going to sleep, night.

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drindt:

kash: sleep well

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calvarez:

would GeForce 6200LE work for MythTV?

[06:34:41]

drindt:

calvarez: why not? i think yes

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drindt:

calvarez: but it is recommended that you use the propritary drivers from nvidia

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xris:

calvarez: would certainly work better than an ati card

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Tanthrix:

calvarez: For the last time: ANY nvidia card that is a GF4 or above will work identically video performance wise for SD resolutions, minus the remote possibility of a 6xxx card that won't do XvMC properly, which is hardly a loss in my opinion.

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calvarez:

well, thanks to everyone

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calvarez:

I just ordered a 6200LE

[07:04:42]

calvarez:

and a Hauppage 150

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calvarez:

:)

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juski:

ffs just had to do battle with my router & my cable modem

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juski:

the mac id I cloned on the router has long since gone and after resetting to factory defaults on the router, had to find all the registration bumph for the cable modem. grr

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juski:

and FYI, you can't make a video CD with mytharchive. Video CD is truly deprecated and not before time

[07:25:52]

pat__:

we've just installed a new backend here, what's the easy way to copy the recordings from the old machine to the new one?

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juski:

scp, rsync..

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juski:

rsync is much nicer than plain ole cp

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pat__:

oh, copying the files isn't a problem

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pat__:

I'm after the database stuff

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juski:

if you use the same paths on the new machine you shouldn't need to worry about that

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slaine_:

indeed, the db stuff is stored in files too :)

[07:28:51]

juski:

or do you mean how do you get the db over to the new box?

[07:29:13]

juski:

1. to save yourself some pain, set the hostname on the new box to the same as the old one

[07:29:42]

juski:

2. export the mythconverg database on the old machine & copy it to the new box

[07:29:47]

juski:

3. import the exported database

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juski:

there's a proper guide in the wiki I think

[07:30:29]

slaine_:

I've come in part way through this conversation, what's the end game ? Clone an existing setup to new hardware ?

[07:30:45]

pat__:

no, the new backend is setup

[07:30:47]

juski:

move mythtv to a new machine

[07:30:57]

pat__:

I just want to move the recordings to the new machine

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slaine_:

?Ah right

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slaine_:

s/?//

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juski:

why didn't you just move the whole caboodle? easier in the long run

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pat__:

things were broken in the old one

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juski:

ok then

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slaine_:

Yeah, I've cloned machines many's a time, it's pretty simple once you've got some sort of network enabled live media.

[07:32:16]

juski:

for recordings, assuming you're keeping the recordings at the same path – all you need do is export the recorded, recordseek & recordedmarkup tables from the old box

[07:32:45]

pat__:

cool, sounds easy enough

[07:33:01]

juski:

if you want your old recording schedules that might be more complicated

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slaine_:

boot target machine off live media, Knoppix for example, partition drives as required, rsync over the source machines contents to the dest, chroot into the copied system and setup the boot loader

[07:33:11]

pat__:

nah, that's cool

[07:33:15]

juski:

is it just me or is www.mythtv.org down?

[07:33:31]

pat__:

just you

[07:33:34]

juski:

heh nm was just me

[07:34:40]

pat__:

later

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ccb0x45:

hey

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juski:

hey hey

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ccb0x45:

I want to build a myth tv box that can record HD off my dish network reciever

[07:45:46]

juski:

oh dear. bad luck

[07:45:50]

ccb0x45:

since in my building I can only get dish

[07:45:57]

ccb0x45:

not possible?

[07:46:08]

juski:

nope. not in a million years

[07:46:32]

ccb0x45:

why not?

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juski:

no way to capture the output of the receiver

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ccb0x45:

I know it would work if I got a component capture card but those are really expensive

[07:46:55]

ccb0x45:

what do you mean?

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juski:

there's no way to capture the reciever's output

[07:47:25]

ccb0x45:

theres a like DVI out port?

[07:47:28]

ccb0x45:

you couldnt capture that?

[07:47:29]

juski:

there's no way to capture the reciever's output

[07:47:42]

juski:

you can't capture DVI, HDMI or HD component in linux

[07:47:55]

ccb0x45:

really

[07:47:58]

juski:

really

[07:48:05]

ccb0x45:

damn

[07:48:07]

ccb0x45:

lol

[07:48:16]

ccb0x45:

what if you had a component capture card?

[07:48:44]

juski:

there used to be a company who sold modified recievers with firewire outputs which'd work – dunno if they still exist (but they were $$$$ expensive) and of dubious legality

[07:49:01]

ccb0x45:

firewire output would be so sweet

[07:49:22]

ccb0x45:

well im screwed lol

[07:49:25]

ccb0x45:

there goes my project

[07:49:34]

ccb0x45:

hopefully my building is switching to comcast soon

[07:49:36]

ccb0x45:

and then I can do it

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juski:

ccb0x45: even if you had a component capture card, it wouldn't have an onboard mpeg encoder if it was an affordable one (which there don't seem to be any) so you'd need to squash HD in real time with your CPU. not exactly what I'd call a viable enterprise

[07:50:01]

ccb0x45:

yea

[07:50:12]

ccb0x45:

that would be a pricey system to do shitty quality

[07:50:34]

ccb0x45:

its so lame cause I have a weird dish network

[07:50:38]

ccb0x45:

resold under some apartment plan

[07:50:42]

ccb0x45:

and they wont give me a damn DVR box

[07:50:58]

ccb0x45:

so I basically have no way of doing DVR

[07:51:07]

juski:

there is a DVI capture card now, which compresses to mjpeg on the fly but a) there are no linux drivers b) it's not HDCP equipped so chances are the receiver wouldn't talk to it and c) mjpeg at HD res would eat an enormous amount of HDD space

[07:51:31]

ccb0x45:

yea

[07:51:42]

ccb0x45:

I know that

[07:51:45]

ccb0x45:

damn

[07:51:49]

juski:

denied at all points!

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ccb0x45:

thought there might be a solution haha

[07:52:08]

ccb0x45:

I had been looking into it... couldnt find anything which led me here

[07:52:40]

ccb0x45:

so best I could do is build a myth tv box that would record standard

[07:52:47]

juski:

well, if you get cable you can get a box with firewire output & use that, but again that has limitations in that the cableco probably encrypt all but the local channels with 5C encripplement

[07:52:49]

ccb0x45:

like RCA right

[07:53:05]

ccb0x45:

of course

[07:53:20]

juski:

some people get *all* channels but they seem to be very firmly in the minority

[07:53:36]

ccb0x45:

im sure I am

[07:53:45]

ccb0x45:

I have barely any HD channels from dish anyways

[07:53:50]

ccb0x45:

because I can only get like 5

[07:53:53]

ccb0x45:

which is so fuckin lame

[07:53:59]

ccb0x45:

I cant stand dish

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juski:

there's really not very much HD content around yet

[07:54:13]

Tanthrix:

Only if you bury your head in the sand.

[07:54:40]

ccb0x45:

thats true

[07:54:56]

ccb0x45:

I want fiber

[07:54:59]

juski:

there might seem to be a lot of HD around, but there's way more SD stuff

[07:55:16]

ccb0x45:

yea

[07:55:22]

ccb0x45:

I want fiber to the home with iptv

[07:55:26]

ccb0x45:

in complete hd

[07:55:30]

juski:

not necessarily

[07:55:39]

ccb0x45:

haha

[07:55:44]

ccb0x45:

im just saying in the future

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ccb0x45:

current companies suck

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juski:

with iptv they can do whatever they like when it's locked into propriatary hardware

[07:55:59]

juski:

just like cablecos can

[07:56:08]

ccb0x45:

right

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Tanthrix:

We'll get the shaft no matter what.

[07:56:16]

Tanthrix:

Rest assured.

[07:56:17]

ccb0x45:

well we need cheaper component capture cards

[07:56:34]

juski:

just because they use IPTV there's no guarantee you can point mythtv or VLC at the streams & get pictures ;)

[07:56:40]

Tanthrix:

ccb0x45: Don't worry, they'll just quickly phase out component for HDMI only solutions.

[07:56:50]

ccb0x45:

lol

[07:56:53]

ccb0x45:

of course

[07:56:55]

ccb0x45:

I hate HDMI

[07:56:55]

Tanthrix:

Even so, encoding component will decrease quality.

[07:57:09]

ccb0x45:

fuck I just hate companies in general

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ccb0x45:

except the one I work at

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ccb0x45:

lol

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Tanthrix:

And any component / DVI hardware encoders are 2–3 years out at best

[07:57:29]

ccb0x45:

I really wanted to build this box

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ccb0x45:

but at least with fiber to the home

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juski:

I can possibly see a future where there are HDMI capture solutions which obey the DRM restrictions of HDCP, but to see those in linux on an open platform (i.e. non-trusted computing).. hahahaha

[07:57:43]

ccb0x45:

I could just bittorrent everything

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ccb0x45:

in HD

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juski:

I often wonder how the hell the people who seed those torrents get their stuff in the 1st place though

[07:58:38]

ccb0x45:

good question

[07:58:41]

ccb0x45:

but im glad they do

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Tanthrix:

There are still quite a few places with non-5c-ed boxes.

[07:58:51]

Tanthrix:

Er, channels.

[07:59:04]

juski:

that can change

[07:59:06]

ccb0x45:

so you mean

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ccb0x45:

the torrents might dry up

[07:59:18]

juski:

not totally

[07:59:24]

ccb0x45:

some people out there would have expensive capture equipment

[07:59:24]

ccb0x45:

stil

[07:59:46]

Tanthrix:

Nothing will ever beat the pirates in the end.

[07:59:51]

juski:

everything is possible ;)

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** Tanthrix coughs "Thank god" **

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ccb0x45:

haha

[08:00:27]

juski:

it's not too much to ask to be able to play/receive what you've paid for on your own equipment

[08:01:04]

ccb0x45:

they need to break hdmi

[08:01:47]

juski:

when *they* lock stuff into their own gear, you're totally at their mercy. like some Tivos not being able to skip like mythtv does – only ffwd & rewind – or a UK satellite company patenting a method of showing ads while you skip commercials

[08:02:15]

juski:

phillips have patented an advert flagging system to enable STBs to prevent you changing channels when ads are on ffs

[08:02:28]

ccb0x45:

yea

[08:02:31]

ccb0x45:

its retarded

[08:02:36]

ccb0x45:

youtube just added ads today

[08:02:39]

ccb0x45:

great

[08:03:04]

juski:

if I was a broadcaster losing revenue because advertisers weren't willing to pay as much for ad slots I'd be as worried as they are

[08:03:41]

ccb0x45:

yea

[08:04:08]

ccb0x45:

crazy world we live in

[08:04:25]

juski:

mind you, I'd find it easier to be sympathetic if these guys weren't mega global corporations worth billions

[08:04:32]

ccb0x45:

but I want free on demand HD which I can fast forward and rewind at my will, is that so much to ask? ;)

[08:04:38]

ccb0x45:

ditto

[08:04:51]

slaine_:

It's all about earning even more billions every quarter

[08:04:59]

juski:

yeah but how do they recoup the cost of making the next series of Heroes?

[08:05:10]

ccb0x45:

I think our economy is about to tank

[08:05:12]

ccb0x45:

which really sucks

[08:05:27]

juski:

you gotta keep the board in cocaine ;)

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slaine_:

lol

[08:05:52]

slaine_:

We deal with IPTV/VOD alot here and it's such a pta

[08:06:09]

juski:

it must cost a fortune to have foot high piles of coke on glass tables in every executive bathroom

[08:06:11]

slaine_:

encryption encryption encryption

[08:06:56]

ccb0x45:

we need quantum computers

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juski:

well, if the revolution ever comes, I'll bet we'll all have a lot more pressing things to worry about than where to get HDTV from.. like how we're gonna make it through the winter with no heating & little food :D

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** slaine_ gets is flint and knife ready **

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ccb0x45:

if that happens

[08:08:07]

ccb0x45:

im movin outta this country

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juski:

I watched an excellent John Pilger documentary about the USA's abuses of human rights last night. oh boy!

[08:08:12]

ccb0x45:

to sweden

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slaine_:

juski, I'll just torrent down all the episodes of Bear Grylles and I'll be sorted.

[08:08:24]

ccb0x45:

surviverman

[08:08:27]

ccb0x45:

not bear

[08:08:29]

ccb0x45:

hes a faker

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slaine_:

lol

[08:08:47]

juski:

if they're on TV they all fake it

[08:09:06]

slaine_:

his name is bear gylles, cool name. Born Survivor is the series.

[08:09:24]

ccb0x45:

I know

[08:09:27]

ccb0x45:

bear is a faker

[08:09:27]

slaine_:

At leas in UK/Ireland

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juski:

one thing I can't work out in all this furore about TV shows being 'faked'.. HELLO! It's television!

[08:09:31]

ccb0x45:

surviverman is tight

[08:09:38]

ccb0x45:

hes less fake than bear

[08:09:54]

juski:

Ray Mears ftw!

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ccb0x45:

well hes LESS fake lol

[08:10:11]

slaine_:

I wouldn't class bear as fake, but he certainly does things "specially for the viewers"

[08:10:24]

slaine_:

Ray Mears rocks too

[08:10:46]

slaine_:

I just love watching him carve paddles, lol

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ccb0x45:

lol

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slaine_:

I remember seeing an expisode where he was on some river in Canada with a guy that gives river tours. But the guy had no "bushman" knowledge. So Ray is teaching him how to light fires with sticks and all

[08:12:43]

slaine_:

Anyway, Ray shows him how to carve a paddle. But by the time the guy is finished his own, it looked more like a wooden spoon. lol

[08:14:13]

ccb0x45:

lol

[08:14:15]

ccb0x45:

thats funny

[08:14:44]

ccb0x45:

I just love this one

[08:14:46]

ccb0x45:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UpSlpvb1is

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floppyears:

so what menu them do you guys use ?

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drindt:

how can i contribute to the translation in mythtv? i found some issues and want to help/fix it.

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drindt_:

someone can tell me please where the backend reads the mysql account data?

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drindt_:

in my frontend i try to setup my database but the told me ever that they not can access the database, because i tested on the shell the permissions right password are right – thanks for helping me

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juski:

hey ivor LTNS :)

[10:06:28]

ivor:

juski: hiya.

[10:06:44]

ivor:

yeah a few problems. "need to get back into stuff"

[10:07:54]

ivor:

according to the bot... it's been 83.77 days. :D

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drindt:

my frontend told me that the backend IP Adress is wrong but where i can setup it?

[10:10:20]

juski:

mythtv-setup

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juski:

ivor: you missed a whole lot of non-fun at LRL this year

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drindt:

juski: i show only the database setup

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drindt:

juski: they dont ask me for such backend

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ivor:

juski: yeah well, lack of time. :) won't be doing linuxworld either.

[10:14:18]

juski:

I did get to do a demo of myth on a cinema screen – that was kinda highlight-ish. there was good drinking though

[10:14:50]

ivor:

yeah, lugradio are semi-professional drinkers.

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juski:

I was talking about the company I was in, not those (word deleted)

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ivor:

:)

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drindt_:

please help iam not get clued i cant start mythbackend it told me that i have to set the backend ip adress when iam running mythtv-setup i can setup the database sound and some other but nothing which belongs to a backend IP adress please help me – many thanks

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pretender:

how do i submit a new post on the mythtv talk forum

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juski:

pretender: lol. you're not serious

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juski:

1. register. 2. make a new post

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juski:

if you try to post URLs while you are still a new user you'll be banned after 3 tries

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juski:

you're welcome – no problem mate

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juski:

so that's the new forum thread.. "mythtv sound stutter choppy HELP"

[11:16:03]

juski:

woohoo no Celebrity Big Brother next year! the end is nigh for 'reality' TV ? ;)

[11:16:57]

ivor:

hmmm I thought the Vanity Lair show was to fill that gap.

[11:17:05]

ivor:

I think you may be celebrating prematurely

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drindt:

i using a skystar2 card with flexcop2b chipset, i guess that it not need when i enable this as module in my kernel config?

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juski:

er.. if you don't build all the modules you need, you could end up with no worky

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juski:

for the amount of hdd space a few modules take up, just build everything

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drindt:

juski: all modules from the multimedia->video section?

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juski:

you don't have to do all of them but I'd be tempted to build all the dvb kernel modules

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drindt:

ok will try, and 4vl i need it too?

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juski:

yes

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juski:

why do people who don't know what to do choose the hardest way?

[11:22:22]

juski:

screw that & put ubuntu on the box :)

[11:23:50]

drindt:

juski: hm i read several howtos and normally in past i had no problems by dealing with problems as such but seems that iam a bit out of practice

[11:24:43]

juski:

when I was a gentoo noob I only ever disabled things I knew I didn't need – then just enable everything else & follow the advice in menuconfig

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juski:

like when it says "say M if you're not sure" ;)

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juski:

then you only forget to enable building DMA support one time ;)

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drindt:

juski: hehe :)

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drindt:

and here the card not work but when the myth-setup runs then teh card bring a really high feeeeeep

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drindt:

seems that the tuner try to work

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drindt:

the card works i tested with the other system

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juski:

er.. if it doesn't work outside mythtv it is VERY unlikely it works in mythtv

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drindt:

juski: i tested it with the windoze soft

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drindt:

the card works physically :) thats i mean

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juski:

you need to make sure it works in linux before even trying mythtv

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juski:

man oh man

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drindt:

yes but i cant find a howto

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juski:

how to test a dvb tuner card.. load an application which uses a dvb tuner card & see what it does

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juski:

e.g. kaffeine

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drindt:

ok i try it now again...

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psofa:

ive got a question about spdif . can it output 5.1 pcm along with 2 ch pcm and ac3?

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juski:

not at the same time no

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juski:

actually I don't think it'll do pcm in 5.1 – that'd be too high a data rate for it

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juski:

DTS isn't PCM is it

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juski:

ROLFMAO @ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/24/xbox_teen/

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ivor:

superb

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juski:

he gone done frazzled he seld

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psofa:

juski, that wouldnt be a prob though since 5.1 sound is in almost all cases carried in ac3 isnt it?

[12:19:05]

psofa:

damn, speaker stands cost more than my cheapo speakers

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juski:

psofa: put it this way, you ain't going to get PCM 5.1 on DVD

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psofa:

yeah :)

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juski:

nnnnngggggg is it 3.30pm yet?

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ivor:

nearly.

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kslater:

why no, it's only 8:50am

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juski:

not nearly near enough. it's like the blimmin mary celeste here

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Ryushin:

Is anyone running 2.6.22 with pvr-*50 cards and experiencing lock ups of the system. 2.6.19 was stable. I did upgrade the kernel and SVN yesterday.

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Ryushin:

It's not a hardware lock as I can still ping, just nothing else.

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juski:

well, watching fonejacker has eaten up some time

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Yggdrasil:

can somone help me setting up my ati remote wonder for myth ?

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Yggdrasil:

i just dont know where the lircrc files goes

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drindt:

juski: back again :) i see in the setup now the card which i had installed but i cant do a channelscan the told me that he cant read parameters. what can i do?

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juski:

~/.mythtv Yggdrasil

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Yggdrasil:

thanks

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juski:

drindt: have you tested the card in linux outside of mythtv yet? make sure it works first

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juski:

drindt: and to scan in mythtv you need to enter some initial parameters for tuning. see mythwiki.de – the 'ubuntu' page there has some good info in German (useful if you can read German)

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juski:

there's not yet a good english DVB-S howto in the mythtv wiki

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drindt:

juski: iam german :)

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juski:

well, somebody should put a proper howto guide in the wiki

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drindt:

juski: my english is to bad to write articles

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psofa_:

<psofa> anyone that has experience with mplayer and spdif pass through?

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psofa_:

<psofa> theres an audible distortion like paper mangling in higher frequencies

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drindt:

or translate

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psofa_:

<psofa> without pass through its okay

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** juski uses xine cos mplayer sucks **

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juski:

haha there's actually an online petition to have Jeremy Clarkson as PM

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Cry_wolf2:

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Dagmar:

Screw that. Give the job to Derren Brown

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juski:

oh yeah. and that would be a good idea why?

[13:43:44]

Dagmar:

Well, for one, he'd probably be able to get more than a few countries to just send over 10% of their GNP as a "civilization tariff"

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juski:

heh

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juski:

after watching that Pilger doc last night I feel like stirring up trouble over there among you lot

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Dagmar:

Pilger?

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juski:

john pilger IIRC

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Dagmar:

Yeah I'm looking at a website about him right now

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Dagmar:

Which documentatry were you watching?

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juski:

War On Democracy

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Dagmar:

Oh dude, you'd probably have at least 60% of america behind you over that one

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Dagmar:

Don't make the mistake of thinking that americans as a whole are behind this idiocy

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Dagmar:

Mainly we're stuck waiting for that f**kt*rd's term to be up so the next pres can start the "tossing his ass in jail" proceedings and the pullout

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juski:

hmmm. I won't hold my breath for that

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juski:

you're all assuming he's just gonna lie down & not be El Presidente any more

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Dagmar:

Hint number one, Bush's approval rating among the _conservatives_ who actually still have land-line phones (i.e., octogenarians living in the past) is ~33% and even fewer people than that trust him to tell the truth

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juski:

surprising

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Dagmar:

Folks who trust him or believe that this business is still salvagable are way into the minority at this point

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Dagmar:

...but I'm suspecting Cheney's been blackmailing 3/4 of Congress or something, because no one seems to have the cojones to just start proceedings already, even when they do really and truly insane stuff like declare for themselves that they no longer need to have warrants issued for any kind of wiretapping

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Dagmar:

That one didn't make a whole lot of press because it's hard to even think what to say about it, it's so bizarrely wrong

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GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: cause cheney will shoot them in the face and make them apologize :)o

[14:14:15]

jarle:

running mythfilldatabase: http://www.pastebin.ca/669201 What really happens here?

[14:14:40]

jarle:

Isn't this the same show that is first removed and then inserted?

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jarle:

I notice that the date-format is different somehow....

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bradd:

how do make mythtv use the internal play to play dvds? i cant seem to find where to set that...

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bradd:

internal player

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mythsched:

my mythtv won't record anything new and has no upcomming recordings, there is enough room to record, i think the problem is that i tried to change the master backend to something else and i can't get the pvr-500 card to work with my computer so i told the client to be its own master again, but it won't schedual anything

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slim:

I saw you talking at ubuntu & thought this might get me info, no luck

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slim:

bye bye

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mythsched:

what?

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mythsched:

is there anybody even here?

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Anduin:

bradd: DVD Settings or something like that, DVD play command

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bradd:

i set that to internal and it doesnt do anything

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Anduin:

bradd: Internal, case matters

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bradd:

yea

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Anduin:

and it is a real DVD, not some .iso file (or similar)?

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bradd:

i did that..just to lazy to type the capital I here :)

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bradd:

yes

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bradd:

its a real dvd

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Anduin:

Well, that is how you do it, extra spaces or anything?

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bradd:

im under Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Videos Settings->Player Settings

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bradd:

thats where you are talking about right?

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Anduin:

So you are running SVN?

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bradd:

yup

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Anduin:

'DVD Player Command', yes that is the correct place.

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bradd:

okay

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bradd:

i'll mess with it some more

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bradd:

maybe i made a typo when i tried it yesterday

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bradd:

just wanted to make sure that was the right spot before wasting any more time on it

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gbee:

we should probably make that case-insensitive

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gbee:

iirc it also defaults to Internal when it's left blank, but I could be wrong about that

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bradd:

okay cool. it works now. must have made a typo yesterday when mucking with it

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gbee:

no harm in making it do that too

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bradd:

i was using my remote to configure it instead of vnc/keyboard ...

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gbee:

imho the internal player is good enough in trunk to replace the whole external player command

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gbee:

for DVDs anyway

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jams:

i still have a few problems with the internal player. 99% of the time it's fine but every once in a while xine is needed.

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gbee:

and DVD playback should probably get merged into mythtv

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gbee:

jams: bug reports? ;)

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jams:

yeah yeah

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jams:

granted i'm not running the latest, but menus are always iffy for me. it constantly switches between progressive and interlaced. Most annoying

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Anduin:

gbee: DVD will be merged into the frontend eventually. I have no plans to remove the ability for external players any time soon (I like the external player, when it works).

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Anduin:

er I like the Internal player when it works, stupid typing before breakfast

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gbee:

Anduin: fair enough, I think the external player command confuses some people though because they are still using setup guides which don't account for the Internal player

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gbee:

so the guide says to put in "xine xyz" and they do, despite the fact they may not actually need it

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bradd:

i liked the internal player..i was messing with xine and the tvtime post processing. i didnt really notice any difference but im not a videophile.

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Anduin:

gbee: That is probably true, some work on the setup screens and note to bad guides can fix that though.

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Anduin:

I like to use the internal player because I'm addicted to timestretch, it still has a few rough spots though.

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gbee:

sure

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Esine:

How can I change between different audio streams in MythTV?

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Esine:

I'm in Northern Europe and I'm hearing Eurosport (sports channel) announcer's voice in Swedish instead of English or Finnish...

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Esine:

this is DVB-C

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GreyFoxx:

hit M

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GreyFoxx:

Check Chang Audio Tracks

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Esine:

ahh how could have I missed it

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GreyFoxx:

There is liky a fast key for it, I just don't remember off hand

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Esine:

ok thanks GreyFoxx :)

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gbee:

- +

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GreyFoxx:

sweet

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gbee:

Esine: you can also set your preferred language in the settings, so if the channel is correctly labelling the stream as English/Finnish mythtv will use that one by default

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Esine:

yeah but for some reason the audio streams on this channel aren't labeled properly :(

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Esine:

really weird

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gbee:

:(

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juski:

heard an interesting programme on radio4 on the way home just now – all about little jingles like the Intel thing & windows sounds. have to see if it's repeated

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juski:

bah it's not, well at least not in the next 7 days :(

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Perdignus:

Hello – is support for the Hauppauge WinTV 150 built into the kernel now or does it still require the IVTV drivers?

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kash``:

built into the kernel in 2.6.22

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Perdignus:

kash`` thanks, do you know off hand which section of the kernel I need to enable under the v4l modules?

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Tanthrix:

juski: To what end?

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Tanthrix:

Are we all being trained to salivate on command, alsa Pavlov's dogs? ;)

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Tanthrix:

ala*]

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gbee:

that's basically the purpose of those jingles, especially in Intel's case – every single advert that even mentions Intel it seems like they are obligated to play the jingle

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gbee:

makes for some very powerful brainwashing, if the Intel part of any system is played up in an advert then people start to think that a machine without Intel is somehow inferior and we all know that's not really true

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juski:

just takes things from the perspective of the composer

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juski:

a nice, lightweight little programme but interesting all the same ;)

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juski:

time to fire up the shredder. not the file shredder, I might hasten to add

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floppyears:

do you guys know if the patch for sd is in svn trunk? also will we able to login before sept 1st ?

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gbee:

heh, a mythtv jingle

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SiD3WiNDR:

tudu tudu

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gbee:

floppyears: yes, it's in trunk

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floppyears:

thanks gbee

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juski:

reminds me I still intend to make some more mytharchive dvd intros

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gbee:

floppyears: probably a day or three before the 1st, but there is leeway because you should have data from Zap2It for at least 14 days at that time

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floppyears:

you're right !

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gbee:

it all depends how the beta testing goes I suppose

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floppyears:

I had forgotten about that fact :)

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gbee:

most people have forgotten that

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juski:

I'm so glad the whole SD thing has calmed down a lot. it got really very disheartening

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floppyears:

people complaining or the work involved in moving to sd ?

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juski:

the whining has calmed down for the time being

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gbee:

may kick off again on after Sep 1st, I'm betting there is still a significant number of people who don't know about the changes yet

[16:54:18]

juski:

yeah those mythtv users who holiday for 6 months a year on the planet Zog are sure gonna be pissed

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floppyears:

yeah, I'm surprised that mythtv doesn't have like a panel or something where people get dev news & updates

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gbee:

but the time factor will basically force them to accept one solution, whichever one it is

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gbee:

there are still people using 0.16 out there!

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juski:

they can eat cake can't they?

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gbee:

they set up mythtv 3/4 years ago and having paid much attention since

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gbee:

I'm just glad that 0.20.2 is behind us and that we can get on with making 0.21 the best release ever ;)

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SiD3WiNDR:

juski: you mean they can have their cake AND eat it?!

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juski:

if they use xmltv they can :D

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juski:

I'll have to congratulate my wife when she comes back after the weekend on buying the crappest shredder ever

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Dagmar:

Wait until she asks you what you did with the new cheese grater, first

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juski:

lol

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juski:

I'm not that much of a boffin

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tjcarter:

gbee: if it ain't broke..

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Dagmar:

Check it out

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Dagmar:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en& . . . =18&om=1

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Dagmar:

Aliens use Firefox

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tjcarter:

gbee: I was honestly better off using 0.19.

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juski:

always suspected I was an alien!

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GreyFoxx:

tjcarter: how so? Something broken since then ?

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: I have a Mac frontend.

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tjcarter:

0.20 has never worked right for me. Every single build anyone else produces has some significant (and different) breakage.

[17:16:44]

tjcarter:

And I can't seem to build Qt3 to save my life here.

[17:18:06]

tjcarter:

aspect has never worked in any 0.20

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tjcarter:

some builds require that I let QuickTime manage colorspace conversion, others require the opposite

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tjcarter:

the seek bug is still a major problem left over from 0.19 as well.. And the're the added problem of very long latency when going into the recordings screen and also when starting a playback

[17:20:01]

tjcarter:

seek bug was the reason I ever upgraded..

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tjcarter:

when you first seek, the time sets itself to 0:00:00 for a moment and if you are say skipping commercials the manual way, seeking again before the FE figures out where it is in the stream goes back to the start.

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GreyFoxx:

seek bug? guess I've never encountered that one

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GreyFoxx:

though I do svn uploads weekly so I could have had it long ago

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GreyFoxx:

s/uploads/updates

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gbee:

tjcarter: I can't really comment on OSX issues, but I'd recommend anything not using 0.20 upgrade for linux and I'd probably even recommend trunk for a lot of people

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GreyFoxx:

nor have I every used it on OSX

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GreyFoxx:

Though I keep meaning to install it on my mac mini, I just never sit down to actually do it

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: Is it an Intel mini?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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tjcarter:

PPC will have the seek bug

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gbee:

sounds like most of your problems are build related and not bugs in mythtv per se

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tjcarter:

I can't swear to the others

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tjcarter:

you'd think that, except that I've used every single Mac OS X build of 0.20 I've ever found.

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tjcarter:

I've gotten very interested in alternative frontends as a result, it's pretty clear that the one we've got is larger than is convenient to maintain cross-platform.

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GreyFoxx:

have you tried a newer build from svn? I regularly see OSX related updates in the commits list

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tjcarter:

I can't build Qt3 for some reason

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GreyFoxx:

ahh

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tjcarter:

gcc incompatibility I think.

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floppyears:

oh, so qt is also a requirement for mac os x client ?

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tjcarter:

4.0.1

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gbee:

stuarta is the only dev here who has an OSX frontend, he didn't have any issues with trunk, we even demo'd MythTV on the Mac Mini

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tjcarter:

floppyears: yeah

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juski:

none of the demo boxes even flinched apart from when we had those rogue ffmpeg processes going

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tjcarter:

isn't Qt at like Qt 5 now?

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tjcarter:

;)

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juski:

and they don't count

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gbee:

floppyears: required for whatever platform is used, but then QT is supposed to be a platform independant framework

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juski:

tjcarter: tell you what then, *you* port myth to qt4 :D

[17:26:56]

** tjcarter isn't that fond of Qt ;) **

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gbee:

I _really_ like QT now that I've been using it for mythtv

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tjcarter:

If I were doing it, I'd probably use MySQL's library and SDL/OpenGL

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juski:

tjcarter: and for the string handling etc?

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gbee:

file handling, string classes, translations, xml parsing – to name just a few

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juski:

I know this is gonna sound biassed, but of all the linux media players out there, mythtv has the best all-round GUI

[17:28:47]

tjcarter:

glib2 probably.

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gbee:

input handling

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juski:

event handling

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tjcarter:

I'm not saying Qt is a horrible thing or anything

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juski:

just rewrite everything – take less time :)

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tjcarter:

rather than port to Qt4? (Or away from?)

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juski:

haha no

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juski:

I hope trolltech will still be keen to help when the time comes

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tjcarter:

I wouldn't try to port it away from Qt. Existing FE is written with Qt in mind and should not be changed.

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tjcarter:

I do think, however, that a desktop FE would come in really handy

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gbee:

tjcarter: and we aren't saying that QT is the only solution, just that it's a very neat set of solutions in a single, well documented and platform independant package

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tjcarter:

yeah, if you can get it all to build.

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floppyears:

juski: why do you think mythtv has the best all around gui ?

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juski:

floppyears: because linuxmce's sucks so bad, as does Elisa

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tjcarter:

Let's face it, Myth requires a very specific Qt build setup, and it's not trivial ;)

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juski:

xbmc could give myth a run for its money but it's little more than a file browser at the end of the day

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jams:

it works and doesn't pretend to more then it's not

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gbee:

tjcarter: maybe not on OSX but that's not the case on linux

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iamlindoro:

OMG don't even get me started on LinuxMCE... it's like, if you put a thousand monkeys in front of a thousand computers, they'd eventually design a Linux Media Center... but it'd be LinuxMCE

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tjcarter:

gbee: I tried to build Myth once on Ubuntu Dapper.

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juski:

and I'm not even gonna pretend mediaportal is a contender, on account of it being so damn slow

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ServerSage:

iamlindoro: Is that good or bad? :)

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tjcarter:

I couldn't install the correct packages together ;)

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juski:

tjcarter: sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins

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iamlindoro:

Depends on whether your audience throws its feces

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tjcarter:

But then, that's Ubuntu's bias against nvidia.. =D

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gbee:

mythtv's interface is good all round, doesn't mean that it can't or won't be improved, but too many people place the emphasis on good looks rather than usability

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GreyFoxx:

tjcarter: The only QT "requirements" I have think of are multithreading and mysql support. that's about it

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ServerSage:

juski: So I switched to ProjectGrayhem this weekend, and am noticing it redraws VERY slow. :/

[17:33:33]

tjcarter:

(although I think that bias was inherited from Debian)

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GreyFoxx:

when compiling that is

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ServerSage:

iamlindoro: You have been in this room before, rigth...?

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juski:

ServerSage: on my puny epia frontend it's as fast as any other theme, so go figure

[17:34:11]

tjcarter:

ServerSage: I've noticed blootube takes > 5 minutes to prescale images =D

[17:34:11]

iamlindoro:

ServerSage: Oh yes

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gbee:

ServerSage: QT or OpenGL? Nvidia or ATi? Which drivers?

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juski:

so that's another 'bug report' going to /dev/null :)

[17:34:23]

ServerSage:

juski: Thats all I needed to know. Just wanted to know where to start digging in.

[17:34:44]

juski:

ServerSage: how much ram? not that the PG family are the most hogging of memory users

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ServerSage:

1GB

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** tjcarter really wishes the prescaled images could be cached somewhere **

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juski:

and what res do you run at?

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GreyFoxx:

tjcarter: It's seconds in svn and I believe those were back ported to -fixes, then after the first time almost instant

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juski:

tjcarter: they *are*

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ServerSage:

juski: 1280x720

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gbee:

tjcarter: they _area_

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gbee:

are

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juski:

ServerSage: should be fine. my FE only has 512mb. only blootube-wide gives it stick, but then redraws are def. no slower

[17:35:34]

ServerSage:

juski: But isn't the cache lost when you switch resolutions?

[17:35:43]

GreyFoxx:

ServerSage: For the moment it is

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tjcarter:

okay, that's it, someone give me a link to a patch for Qt3 or an already built library then, I need a svn FE ;)

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brianp:

o/t i know ... i'm having trouble getting a usb ehternet device recognised – can any one advise me please?

[17:36:04]

gbee:

tjcarter: unless for some reason the paths are messed up, in which case that might explain why it prescales every time you start MFE

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GreyFoxx:

ServerSage: Actually no, there is a setting for that

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juski:

lsusb, then try to determine the module(s) you need to load

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GreyFoxx:

ServerSage: to keep multiple

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tjcarter:

gbee: it does that for me on all machines..

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GreyFoxx:

But it might be for different themese rather than different resolutions of a single theme

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juski:

why change res?

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ServerSage:

GreyFoxx: I thought that was for different themes.

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GreyFoxx:

I've got a mostly written patch to improve that though

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gbee:

ServerSage: what you are saying about redraw speed, it sounds like you are running with OpenGL but using a shitty kernel driver

[17:36:55]

janneg:

GreyFoxx: it's both

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brianp:

juski: i have done that, i think its usbnet and asix for a dlink e100

[17:36:59]

jams:

it covers themes and res

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GreyFoxx:

janneg: cool

[17:37:07]

ServerSage:

gbee: Using OpenGL with the nvidia driver.

[17:37:07]

brianp:

but no joy

[17:37:09]

tjcarter:

gbee: if that has changed since 0.20 was released, I don't have that fix yet.

[17:37:19]

juski:

anyway doesn't opengl only affect the menus?

[17:37:32]

GreyFoxx:

tjcarter: 0.20 was released a year ago, lots has changed since then

[17:38:01]

juski:

or at any rate, opengl would only affect things done by mythui rather than libmythui ?

[17:38:05]

ServerSage:

juski: Well, the redraw problem only presents itself inside the setup menus.

[17:38:06]

gbee:

ServerSage: trying re-installing the nvidia driver, the opengl files it installs often get overwritten when you update/upgrade any packages

[17:38:11]

tjcarter:

Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3

[17:38:21]

ServerSage:

gbee: Tried it. :/

[17:38:28]

juski:

ServerSage: if I'd ever seen such an issue I'd fess up I honestly would

[17:38:31]

janneg:

it just doesn't deletes the n-th youngest directories in the themecache. directories are named "theme name"-resolution

[17:38:48]

ServerSage:

juski: No no, it's cool. Just wanted to know if it was my end or something you knew about it.

[17:38:51]

juski:

if anything, I'd say my themes can cause delays in loading plugin setup menus

[17:38:55]

gbee:

ServerSage: odd, with Nvidia's OpenGL driver redraw should be lightning fast

[17:39:10]

juski:

but since gbee's ace work with the memory handling, all is sweeeeet

[17:39:13]

ServerSage:

gbee: Thats what brought me here to make sure I wasn't chasing a ghost. :)

[17:39:26]

GreyFoxx:

gbee: There was a while back a version of the nvidia driver that had horrible opengl performance. but that must have been a year or more ago

[17:39:39]

juski:

it's just aswell really, cos those themes aren't gonna be getting any fixes some time soon

[17:40:03]

** tjcarter is presently using KnoppMyth R5F1 for BE **

[17:40:05]

juski:

I'm gonna keep the ones in svn up to sniff with trunk and that'll be *it*

[17:40:16]

tjcarter:

and the collectivity Mac FE

[17:40:31]

gbee:

juski: libmythui IS mythui, the old code is in libmyth

[17:40:33]

ServerSage:

juski: You must actually enjoy having a real life outside of myth. ;)

[17:41:57]

juski:

ServerSage: ffs I've done 8 themes. that can really get to me

[17:42:10]

juski:

I think I farking deserve a rest

[17:42:30]

** gbee cracks the whip **

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ServerSage:

Hehe.

[17:43:05]

juski:

next theme related thing anybody will see from me will be new icons for the official themes – i.e. put the missing ones in

[17:43:51]

juski:

then maybe my appearance plugin if I ever work out how to read keypresses

[17:44:09]

ServerSage:

juski: appearance plugin?

[17:44:10]

gbee:

eventhandler

[17:44:30]

juski:

yes an appearance plugin. feel free to code this yourself & beat me to it though...

[17:45:03]

ServerSage:

juski: You won't see me coding any time soon. And for good reason. I believe somebody said something about a million monkes with a million keyboards....

[17:45:04]

juski:

the current gui resizing & positioning stuff is a PITA. I stole the idea from XBMC and started putting a plugin together

[17:45:29]

juski:

only a plugin because it was the easiest way for me to get cracking with it

[17:45:58]

juski:

prove the concept, make it work, then develop it into the setup code later

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Cry_wolf2:

juski: You coding again ?

[17:46:34]

juski:

no not yet. it's on the back burner for now

[17:46:40]

Cry_wolf2:

ok

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gbee:

juski: if you ever want some help, or for me to take a look, than feel free to ask

[17:47:00]

juski:

I like to wait til I'm _really_ stuck before asking ;)

[17:48:09]

juski:

but I think I'll def take you up on that offer at some point gbee

[17:52:36]

gbee:

you do tend to learn more if you work things out for yourself, but if you do get stuck I'll do what I can to help :)

[17:53:32]

juski:

you can put money on me calling functions from a destructor again

[17:56:39]

gbee:

there are legimate reasons to do that sometimes :)

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gbee:

wonder who has admin rights on the wiki, version numbers need incrementing on the main page

[18:02:48]

** tjcarter considers whether fink's qt3 will work for MythTV **

[18:03:10]

Cry_wolf2:

You mention clarksson before.. they have a top gear special on channel 9 here in sweden. The Camping episode right now

[18:03:22]

Cry_wolf2:

Burn! Burn! Burn!

[18:03:39]

tjcarter:

Maybe not, it's libmysql is 4.

[18:04:52]

tjcarter:

libmysql4 isn't generally compatible with mysql5, I'd imagine?

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janneg:

gbee: xris, chutt, kevin kuphal and baylink

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gbee:

janneg: thanks

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gbee:

suppose I could have just checked the edit history of the main page, that would list them all :)

[18:11:38]

gbee:

think xris would be the easiest to ambush

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janneg:

gbee: that's that I've done

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spader3d:

hi all

[18:39:51]

spader3d:

i want to get dishnetwork on my mythtv setup

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|Torg|:

legally, you cant. Unless you what to framegrab it at really bad rates

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spader3d:

but when i scan for channel i get "timeout scanning frequency — no tables"

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|Torg|:

that is becasue it is encrypted

[18:41:26]

spader3d:

how do i get a channel list then?

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spader3d:

via labs.zap2it?

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|Torg|:

they have listings for dishnet, allot of good it will do for you however, the channels are nearly all encrypted

[18:42:09]

spader3d:

i am using a dvb-s card

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|Torg|:

yes, I assumed you were

[18:42:46]

spader3d:

even using softcam i can not decrypt?

[18:43:09]

|Torg|:

that would be part of the illegal usage, and as such we do not talk about it here

[18:43:39]

spader3d:

ok....but shouldn't i be able to even scan the transponder?

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|Torg|:

again, no. It is encrypted

[18:43:56]

spader3d:

ok

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blackest:

hmm thats not quite right

[18:44:32]

spader3d:

it is legal to put my sub dishnetwork rec via tvtuner card on mythtv?

[18:45:00]

blackest:

a scan would show whats on a transponder and generally what encrption its using

[18:45:00]

|Torg|:

yes spader3d, you need a CAM, not access card, but the thing the cam goes into

[18:45:30]

|Torg|:

blackest, the PMTs are enctypted, you can see there is something on the tranpoder, you just cant tell what they are

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|Torg|:

the PIDs are listed, they are also encrypted

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|Torg|:

so you can not correlate PIDs to channels without illegally dectyping the stream

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blackest:

well i see whats on the transponders here at least the basic info network service provider channel name and encryption

[18:46:27]

spader3d:

is this why i get the message "no tables"?

[18:46:33]

|Torg|:

yes

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|Torg|:

Program Managment Table

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|Torg|:

there are tables, PMT's, there encrypted

[18:47:20]

|Torg|:

its the thing that says, PID X and PID Y are what makes up channel Z

[18:47:44]

|Torg|:

WFAA-DT:189028615:8VSB:49:52:1

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|Torg|:

thats an example of an ATSC tranposrt sream, similar but not exactly the same

[18:48:09]

blackest:

actually you might want to look at a dreambox or a technomate 9100 these can use legal cards

[18:48:15]

spader3d:

i saw .diff file to get these tables

[18:48:24]

spader3d:

how di i patch these files?

[18:48:36]

|Torg|:

it says on frequency 189028615, using modulation 8VSB, video PID 49, and audio PID 52, station 1

[18:49:00]

|Torg|:

spader3d if you do not know how to run pathes, or especially what they do, stay away from it

[18:49:07]

gbee:

GreyFoxx: want to add ".2" to that version number in the topic? :P

[18:49:17]

kash``:

|Torg|: gonna send me an air2pc card? ;)

[18:49:32]

|Torg|:

kash you want it drop shipped?

[18:49:39]

kash``:

sure, how much is shipping

[18:49:43]

kash``:

because it's not far..

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|Torg|:

im joking :P

[18:49:47]

kash``:

:(

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|Torg|:

the two in my box, I use of course

[18:50:16]

kash``:

which other cards did you say you had

[18:50:31]

|Torg|:

nexus-s cards, DVB-S

[18:50:42]

kash``:

don't work here, right?

[18:50:48]

blackest:

anyone got a link to a howto link a windows share so mythfrontend can use the directory

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|Torg|:

what the dvb-s, sure it works

[18:50:58]

kash``:

o.O

[18:51:09]

kash``:

how?

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|Torg|:

mount -f cifs -o username=whatrever //server/share /mnt/whatever

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Dagmar:

blackest: Is Google banned at your office?

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SiD3WiNDR:

heheh

[18:51:47]

|Torg|:

the dvb-s cards? there are allot of sat stuff that isnt encytped, right now the box is off tho

[18:51:59]

|Torg|:

I play with it more then use it as a legitmate backend

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Dagmar:

It's not like there's not fourteen million samba howtos

[18:52:34]

|Torg|:

hell Dagmar you dont even need samba, just the fs driver loaded

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kash``:

Dagmar: i believe you're the rudest person in here.

[18:52:42]

blackest:

lol fair point Dagmar but i have got a share that I can write too players won't read from it thou i figure it must be a common problem

[18:53:00]

blackest:

the one good one would be useful :)

[18:53:06]

Dagmar:

kash``: The real issue is who is the laziest

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kash``:

brb

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Dagmar:

blackest: Okay, now THAT is a much more specific and useful thing someone could address without feeling insulted for being made into someone's personal Google front-end

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|Torg|:

besides blackest I already gave you the command

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|Torg|:

this is intersting

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|Torg|:

2007-08–24 13:37:41.776 DataDirect: Your subscription expires on 11/30/07 10:30:07

[18:55:56]

|Torg|:

2007-08–24 13:38:35.293 Grab complete. Actual data from Tue Sep 4 05:00:00 2007 to Wed Sep 5 05:00:00 2007 (UTC)

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blackest:

so ok i get a link using my user account will myth frontend be able to link using the same user account

[18:56:08]

|Torg|:

anyone else see stuff like that?

[18:56:21]

Dagmar:

get a link?

[18:56:33]

|Torg|:

hes asking the persmission rights about it

[18:56:40]

Dagmar:

Torq: Ignore the "your sub expires on" stuff

[18:57:08]

|Torg|:

whoever mounts it uses thie permissions, since windows dosnt know abut unix permissions they get mangled, the -o username means log into the windows box as that user

[18:57:30]

|Torg|:

Dagmar im more intersted in when it talk me I got data for

[18:57:52]

|Torg|:

in other words did zap2it somehow extend everything???????

[18:57:52]

Dagmar:

Oh I'm sure it'll be giving out 14 days of data on the last day of August even

[18:58:03]

cheesebourgeois:

Quick question, im setting up knoppmyth and i had to restart my comp during setup due to a power outage, and now when i load it up again and go thru the startup stuff, it gets to mythTV and says "WaRNInG: mythtv has detected that the backend is running. changing existing card inputs, deleting anything, or scanning for channels may not work"

[18:58:06]

cheesebourgeois:

do i have to reinstall?

[18:58:17]

blackest:

actually i was wondering when i set up the samba share it said to make username and password the same as in windows and that was ok but on my linux box connecting my user name is the same but the password is different

[18:58:29]

kash``:

|Torg|: the subscription thing is on autopilot, but they will stop letting people authenticate on 1 September

[18:58:50]

|Torg|:

ok kash, thats what I thoght too, stil it seems strange

[18:59:09]

kash``:

i want to grab like a month of data, but i don't think they will let me

[18:59:17]

kash``:

i don't know how

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|Torg|:

I dont think thye have it

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Dagmar:

The thing never seems to hand out more than two weeks' at once anywya

[19:00:24]

kash``:

i think that may be because the script only asks for two weeks' worth

[19:00:29]

|Torg|:

yes, thats because TMS never had more then 14 days anyway

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kash``:

but i've never looked into it

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floppyears:

what menu theme do you guys use ?

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|Torg|:

blootube, old

[19:15:36]

floppyears:

no, I mean the meneu theme => classic, dvr, or default ?

[19:15:41]

juski:

menu theme? default, always. I hate classic

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|Torg|:

default, never changed it

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kash:

i use mepo

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kash:

and classic

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juski:

dvr is awful too IMHO

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floppyears:

ok, default is what I'm using. I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing some awesomeness on one of those other themes or some hidden feature

[19:17:10]

juski:

I once had thoughts about reworking mepo so the colour scheme doesn't suck ;)

[19:17:13]

Esine:

is "default" the annoying 50% transparent one where it's really really difficult to see the menu items (assuming you're talking about the 'm' OSD menu)

[19:17:14]

gbee:

menu themes really just shuffle around the same list of options

[19:17:18]

Cardoe:

I have the annoying "feature" of the screen is wider then my TV

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Esine:

+?

[19:17:22]

Cardoe:

and I have a HDTV that's wide..

[19:17:28]

Cardoe:

but only on the configuration screens

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juski:

gbee: or miss em out ;)

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juski:

my frontend doesn't have a livetv option anymore

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Esine:

oh wait menu theme = the frontend normal menu with Live TV, Watch Recordings, etc.?

[19:18:25]

Esine:

default it is

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floppyears:

yep

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gbee:

juski: that too, I wonder whether if either DVR or classic haven't been updated to include new options

[19:18:36]

juski:

quite why the DVR theme classes 'watch tv' as a utility is beyond me but there ya go

[19:18:58]

gbee:

can't remember adding mythmovies options to the DVR or classic menu themes

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juski:

there's not much I'd change about the default menu layout – the only niggle I've ever had with the menus was with some of the setup stuff – which has now moved I understand ;)

[19:20:01]

Cardoe:

which is the default theme?

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juski:

watch tv, media library, information centre, cd/dvd

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juski:

all those in that order on the main screen

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gbee:

Cardoe: 'default' oddly enough :)

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juski:

reminds me of something else I put on my list a while back – try to get to grips with the menu code to make some nice changes. Ahhh I can but dream

[19:21:44]

gbee:

I prefer my own theme

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Cardoe:

gbee: ha. well then... I dunno what I use.. it's blue.. I picked it years ago

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juski:

all this is a bit like "what colour shirt is best" though isn't it? entirely subjective

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Cardoe:

juski: well some themes are "broken"

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juski:

broken how?

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Cardoe:

gbee: do you have a wide screen TV?

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Cardoe:

juski: not all the buttons are there and such

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floppyears:

juski: well, depending on the theme you can get to some options faster and improves user friendliness

[19:23:10]

Cardoe:

and some themes fly and some themes drag

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juski:

Cardoe: raise a ticket & assign it to me. I'll be nicely hung over on Sunday so I won't mind doing easy things

[19:23:51]

juski:

and how do you mean some fly & some drag? loading times?

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juski:

I already know a good few of the official themes are missing button icons for some of the newer features. they're on my to-do list

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|Torg|:

anyone here play asx/asf streams to vlc? I get pink artifact dots in my HDTV streams

[19:25:31]

juski:

I'll be tackling G.A.N.T. first – need to find out wth the icons for blue & mythcenter came from

[19:26:40]

juski:

and i hope to god I don't end up stirring up a bloody hornet's nest when I commit them like what happened when I did the new surround icons etc. damn democracy

[19:27:16]

juski:

never knew so few pixels could cause so much opinion ;)

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Cardoe:

juski: I think I'm using mythcenter on my -fixes machine.. but my test of trunk recently had G.A.N.T. and was missing a button or two.. but if ya know about that..

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Cardoe:

mythcenter is the one I'm having the wide screen options problem with

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Cardoe:

only on config screens though

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juski:

it's missing icons for at least mytharchive & mythmovies. just need to get permission from the original gant icon artist to use em

[19:29:06]

kash:

make yer own

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kash:

?

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juski:

in the style of gant? you're kidding?

[19:29:26]

kash:

nono

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kash:

new icons all around

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kash:

i hate GANT's icons

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juski:

so don't use GANT :-P

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kash:

:(

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juski:

ffs I'm not frickin Michaelangelo

[19:30:21]

kash:

but juusskkii

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floppyears:

thanks juski for the work that you put into the themes

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|Torg|:

kash, he wont even make the figgin thing green

[19:30:55]

kash:

who, juski or the G.A.N.T artist

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|Torg|:

juski

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|Torg|:

he knows what Im talking about

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kash:

oh well.. there's ways of taking care of him.

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kash:

>:)

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|Torg|:

most of it reqires beer I belive

[19:31:55]

kash:

and KY

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juski:

Jack Daniels talks louder than beer

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juski:

welcome to /ignore, kash

[19:32:06]

|Torg|:

you drink that trash :)

[19:32:12]

kash:

juski, it was an lol

[19:32:33]

juski:

so was mine. I don't tell people they're going on /ignore ;)

[19:32:39]

kash:

:)

[19:33:08]

|Torg|:

hell juski Id send you a bottle, unfortunaly customs might have somethig to say about that

[19:33:20]

kash:

absynthe

[19:33:23]

juski:

seriously though the GANT icons are amazing. They look like oil paintings ffs – that's not something I can pull off, easily or otherwise

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juski:

so if it's all the same to you guys, to keep the overall theme look I'll stick to using icons from the guy who drew them originally, k ;)

[19:34:22]

juski:

a single out of place icon can _ruin_ a theme completely

[19:34:26]

kash:

we could hire a hitman

[19:34:42]

|Torg|:

http://mattahan.deviantart.com/art/G-A-N-T-3035321

[19:35:06]

juski:

if you wanna use your own crappy icons in gant it's easy. just change the <watermark>$filename.png</watermark> on the buttons in theme.xml

[19:35:44]

juski:

I'll be sticking to the house style. too many fans of gant to treat it any other way God love em

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[19:36:10]

kash:

just wait for 1 April.. then we can have our fun.

[19:36:25]

juski:

I stay away from IRC on april 1st

[19:36:39]

kash:

change all the GANT icons to barney

[19:36:41]

kash:

and then commit it

[19:36:44]

kash:

:)

[19:36:54]

juski:

and then mythtv gets sued – great!

[19:37:12]

kash:

hand-drawn barney.

[19:37:17]

|Torg|:

who is the orgial artist anyay?

[19:37:28]

juski:

|Torg|: that guy you posted the link to

[19:37:39]

|Torg|:

ahh, I wasnt sure

[19:37:58]

kash:

http://www.simpsonstrivia.com.ar/simpsons-pho . . . y-gumble.gif

[19:38:00]

|Torg|:

hell tell him well send him the borbon, and see if hell make us some specail ones :)

[19:38:01]

kash:

yaayy barney

[19:38:03]

juski:

at least as far as I've been able to tell it is – he's credited in the theme somewhere IIRC

[19:38:18]

juski:

|Torg|: there are enough to cover the missing icons

[19:38:44]

juski:

as for blue & mythcenter – anybody know where those icons are from?

[19:38:55]

kash:

you?

[19:38:58]

juski:

they look a bit KDE-ish

[19:39:25]

juski:

nah my icons aren't exactly up to snuff yet. my vector work is getting better though

[19:40:31]

kash:

http://a.deviantart.com/avatars/a/_/a-t-o-m-i-c.gif

[19:40:31]

|Torg|:

hmm GANT isnt on svn anymore, did it get moved?

[19:40:53]

gbee:

|Torg|: still there

[19:41:03]

|Torg|:

http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/themes/

[19:41:05]

gbee:

mythtv/themes/G.A.N.T/

[19:41:23]

gbee:

|Torg|: it's a core theme, distributed with mythtv

[19:41:43]

gbee:

not in juski's theme dir or myththemes

[19:41:58]

|Torg|:

AHH ok, its not wher I usuauly look for themes

[19:42:17]

juski:

what do folks thing about frazel-wide ?

[19:42:20]

kash:

project mayhem!

[19:42:42]

juski:

s/thing/think

[19:43:00]

gbee:

juski: f-r-a-zel?

[19:43:13]

juski:

yeah the one hosted on myth2ipod.com

[19:43:30]

juski:

the one which inspired me to do blootube-wide

[19:43:42]

kash:

juski your sidebar on your site is broken

[19:43:53]

kash:

the buttons disappear

[19:44:11]

juski:

that's my css-fu

[19:44:26]

juski:

only until the other graphic is loaded though

[19:44:36]

kash:

nope, doesn't work for me

[19:44:43]

juski:

works fine here (tm)

[19:45:00]

juski:

and it aint hosted here so there

[19:45:41]

gbee:

juski: it's good, relative to the average standard of themes, but from the thumbnails/screenshots I found that it looks much better from a distance than it does close up

[19:45:43]

juski:

duh – it's not frazel-wide it's frazelHD

[19:46:24]

|Torg|:

juski whats been the issue with getting in touch with Paul Davey?

[19:46:35]

juski:

I wonder if the creator would be willing to undo a bit of the "It dose not obey .title-safe. areas" stuff

[19:46:35]

gbee:

some of that could just be the appauling choice of JPG though

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juski:

|Torg|: I've not got around to it yet ;)

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juski:

what I'm gonna do is work out which icons to add, then ask permission for them by filename

[19:47:37]

gbee:

-wide is no longer required in theme naming, huzzah

[19:48:12]

jarle:

will myth let me send both AUDIO and VIDEO over HDMI if I buy a gfx-card with HDMI out, instead of DVI out which was my original plan?

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|Torg|:

what is the goal, to update G.A.N.T or to make a differnt theme?

[19:48:46]

kash:

jarle: there's some kind of audio adapter needed for the audio part of HDMI

[19:48:48]

juski:

jarle: if your HDMI VGA card has the facility to have spdif audio plugged into it, and your soundcard has digital audio -yes

[19:48:51]

gbee:

jarle: I suspect that's all down to drivers and/or the cable you choose

[19:49:03]

kash:

seeing as how most gfx cards .. or what juski said :P

[19:49:05]

juski:

|Torg|: only update it with the missing icons

[19:49:44]

|Torg|:

some of his adult gaphics looks nice, I was thinking maybe make something along that line

[19:49:46]

juski:

|Torg|: cos I'm tellin ya the G.A.N.T. isn't for playing with. I personally don't like it but I know plenty people do & I respect that

[19:49:46]

gbee:

I mention drivers only because if I didn't I'm sure someone would point out some model of graphics card which has a built in soundcard ;)

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|Torg|:

I dont like G.A.N.T. per se, I like the icons tho

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quantum:

I am trying to configure a frontend to run off my server. I keep getting the following error in my shell whenever I try to watch a recording: Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost

[19:50:20]

quantum:

2007-08–24 14:46:49.730 RemoteFile::openSocket(control socket):

[19:50:20]

quantum:

Could not connect to server "" @ port -1

[19:50:20]

quantum:

2007-08–24 14:46:49.730 RemoteFile::openSocket(file data socket):

[19:50:20]

quantum:

Could not connect to server "" @ port -1

[19:50:22]

quantum:

2007-08–24 14:46:49.730 RingBuffer::RingBuffer(): Failed to open remote file (myth://:/1009_20070824060000.nuv)

[19:50:26]

kash:

don't paste

[19:50:28]

gbee:

juski: maybe o_cee could help?

[19:50:31]

|Torg|:

ive used blootube since you first put it out, Ive never really changed it

[19:50:33]

** juski hands quantum a pastebin **

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quantum:

got it

[19:51:07]

quantum:

anybody know what is causing this or how to fix it, should be a simple thing

[19:51:13]

gbee:

|Torg|: you'll want to get the latest version, the mythmusic screen is a vast improvement

[19:51:19]

quantum:

but not sure what is wrong,

[19:51:38]

gbee:

or at least the blootube-wide one is, I don't know if juski did the same for the 4:3 version

[19:51:43]

juski:

gbee: not so sure about the 4:3 version. I did something truly horrible to that once

[19:51:58]

|Torg|:

gbee where as I do belive you, its part of the "if it ain't broke" section, besides I dont use mythmusic

[19:52:03]

juski:

maybe I did, I can't remember. that was a hellish busy time

[19:52:35]

gbee:

quantum: check the master backend IP setting (mythtv-setup)

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gbee:

|Torg|: heathen!

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|Torg|:

hehe

[19:53:13]

|Torg|:

Im strange that way I use myth to umm record and watch tv

[19:53:18]

juski:

either I didn't get round to updating the screenshots of blootube or I never changed the graphics to the nice spiffy ones

[19:53:49]

quantum:

gbee, : yeah I think that is o.k. before I try to play the recording I can see the small preview of it playing o.k.

[19:53:54]

gbee:

starting to think that I might finish my mythmusic overhaul after all, but only for my benefit

[19:54:42]

juski:

yeah I _did_ update the 43 version after all. oh fack I need to update the screenshots. BUM!

[19:54:50]

gbee:

quantum: well the reason is that the backend IP is missing from those log excerpts you are posting, it's about the only think I can think of that might cause that problem

[19:55:13]

quantum:

let me check again

[19:55:55]

juski:

themes suck ;)

[19:56:18]

juski:

as with any open source project – it's never frickin finished

[19:56:25]

gbee:

juski: while you are at it, you may as well through the screenshots in with the theme and list them in the themeinfo, assuming it's not too much extra work

[19:56:46]

juski:

how many can there be now? as many as.. ?

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gbee:

no limit

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juski:

oh ffs after all the bloody paddy-throwing, I've just come up with a bonza idea which'll let me keep tarballs of my themes up to date with svn without ruining them for -fixes users. arse

[19:57:55]

gbee:

but I guess when we write the web app to browse the themes we might limit it to the first ~20 that are defined

[19:58:05]

jarle:

as far as I can figure out DVI only supports VIDEO (no audio) so If I want both audio and video in one cable I have to go for a card that has HDMI, correct?

[19:58:17]

juski:

right now the only diff is the extra icons, and I can make a script to reverse patch the theme in svn after I export it. fak

[19:58:24]

juski:

jarle: jups

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gbee:

at least it's not a car insurance deal, I think I'd have to strangle you

[19:59:10]

quantum:

gbee: on the backend serveri I have the IP address and master server IP address set to 192.168.0.5, so it seems o.k.

[19:59:21]

** juski wheels a sheila over to gbee **

[19:59:35]

quantum:

also have the frontend set to that address on that machine, and it works o.k.

[19:59:55]

quantum:

now I want to get my second frontend going, but doesn't want to connect

[20:00:09]

quantum:

do you think it is a mysql security issue or something

[20:00:10]

gbee:

juski: so long as she doesn't sing, that's a very nice present, thankyou :p

[20:00:21]

juski:

quantum: are the frontends having different hostnames?

[20:01:14]

juski:

I'll say that again, but this time not in call-centre English

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juski:

quantum: do the frontends have different hostnames? ;)

[20:01:35]

quantum:

yes as far as I know

[20:02:02]

juski:

it can really mess things up if a frontend is called the same name as the backend

[20:02:07]

quantum:

I was just inputing the IP addresses, though

[20:02:24]

juski:

also make sure the backend hostname hasn't changed since you first set mythtv up on it

[20:02:32]

quantum:

well, on the other machine I think he frontnd and the backend have the same IP address

[20:03:16]

juski:

my brain is broken, so I'll duck out of this one now

[20:03:23]

juski:

I'll make some screenshots instead

[20:03:33]

quantum:

so on the server/frontend machine on mythfrontend "Host Name:" shouldn't that just be the IP of the box?

[20:03:53]

quantum:

same as the backend on that box

[20:04:05]

juski:

yeah I think so

[20:04:31]

quantum:

now on my other frontend only system that is set to localhost.localhost

[20:04:49]

jarle:

quantum: the settings for mysql needs to be edited if you want to be able to connect from several frontends....

[20:05:10]

quantum:

yeah o.k. what do I need to change

[20:05:55]

Tanthrix:

jarle: I think you can get DVI+SPDIF cables. (Basically the two cables molded together.) Would save money since I think the cheapest HDMI cards are around 80, compared to 35 without

[20:06:23]

|Torg|:

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=3570

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Tanthrix:

|Torg|: There is that, but it's absurdly expensive and in no way worth it.

[20:07:24]

|Torg|:

hey I wasnt saying to use the damn thing

[20:07:43]

|Torg|:

plug your spdif into a sourroud sound box, and use a plan dvi-HDMI no audio cable

[20:07:55]

jarle:

Tanthrix: my TV does not have SPDIF input, And I'm not gonna setup additional audio setup in the TV room...

[20:08:21]

juski:

bah you're missing out on a great opportunity to seriously harrass your neighbours

[20:08:27]

Tanthrix:

HDMI but no SPDIF?

[20:08:36]

juski:

HDMI has the spdif inside

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juski:

;)

[20:09:02]

|Torg|:

Tanthrix my TV has HDMI but no spdif, its not that uncommon

[20:09:11]

Tanthrix:

juski: Yes, but many sets include HDMI ports that can use external audio, either RCA or spdif or both when they don't also provide a DVI port

[20:09:15]

juski:

you can buy adapters to inject spdif into hdmi cables but boy they're costly

[20:09:25]

jarle:

juski: I have my own cinama-room for turning up the volume, this TV setup is for my living room..

[20:09:28]

juski:

like $300 costly

[20:09:39]

DustyBin:

guys, you will never believe it: 21:09:13 up 3 days, 0 min, 2 users, load average: 0.46, 0.32, 0.45 and its still going strong

[20:09:40]

juski:

oooo hark at you, mister rich :-P

[20:09:53]

|Torg|:

for the price you pay for injecting audi you can get a audio decoder system

[20:09:54]

quantum:

I tried: grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv";

[20:09:54]

Tanthrix:

|Torg|: Maybe if you buy poorly designed sets ;)

[20:10:02]

quantum:

but same thing, must not be a db issue

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|Torg|:

1) I dint buy it, 2) its a monitor not a tv (has no tuner), 3) It works finer

[20:10:24]

** juski longs to own a big house with a nice big cinema shaped room he can dedicate to mythtv **

[20:10:42]

|Torg|:

why i the hell would I put 5.1 ot 7.1 into a tv that has three speakers in it?

[20:10:42]

Tanthrix:

juski: Hear, hear.

[20:11:04]

iamlindoro:

Torg: Agreed, HDMI audio is useless

[20:11:05]

juski:

if I could move to the US, (yeah like I'd want to) the money this house is worth could buy me something very spiffy over there

[20:11:11]

quantum:

what does this mean: Could not connect to server "" @ port -1

[20:11:34]

juski:

looks like some of your setup info is missing

[20:11:49]

juski:

is that on the local or remote frontend?

[20:12:14]

juski:

I dunno if this has been brought up yet but you should verify you can connect a mysql client to the backend from the remote frontend

[20:12:27]

Tanthrix:

|Torg|: Anyway, that's the point of having options, so you can do DVI with just standa

[20:12:33]

Tanthrix:

rd analog RCA*

[20:12:45]

|Torg|:

juski it would help if he told it what the BE server was too, notice the server name is blank

[20:12:45]

juski:

e.g. mysql -u $user -p$password -h $hostname/IP mythconverg

[20:12:54]

Tanthrix:

Since I agree that there really is no point doing anything fancy for TV speakers

[20:13:21]

juski:

some panasonic TVs can outgun midpriced receiver/speaker combos

[20:13:32]

Tanthrix:

(Which, incidentally, I usually am quite ok with for my regular sound output – I don't get my rocks off on explosions that rattle my house.)

[20:13:43]

juski:

prolly not their panels though ;) you need big boxes for proper bass

[20:14:01]

Tanthrix:

Or multi-channel audio and all that. My reciever mainly collects dust when it's not playing music

[20:14:18]

Tanthrix:

But I don't have a very good sound setup a room conduicive to it, so that might change someday.

[20:14:28]

juski:

my livingroom is the ideal shape

[20:14:33]

Tanthrix:

or a room*

[20:14:41]

quantum:

doesn't the fact that I can see the small priview of a recording mean that it is able to connect to the backend o.k. and has the right address for it?

[20:14:44]

juski:

just a massive shame most of the output in there is soap operas

[20:15:00]

Tanthrix:

My lifelong plan is to build my own house. Once I do that, I can die.

[20:15:23]

juski:

lol. that'd be nice for me to do too – that way I get to have it all HA'd up

[20:15:39]

juski:

and then I _still_ wouldn't touch linuxmce with your bargepole

[20:15:57]

Tanthrix:

I'm probably 20 years of being able to afford such a thing, but I think it would be very satisfying and I aim to do it

[20:16:06]

juski:

though if I could afford it, maybe hire a dev to do a proper misterhouse plugin

[20:16:30]

Tanthrix:

(Especially, since my dream house is not exactly small or cheap)

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iamlindoro:

Every time someone mentions LinuxMCE, someone kills a kitten. I just want you to know that

[20:20:37]

Tanthrix:

And that someone, is juski.

[20:20:52]

djc_:

heres some more info on my not being able to have two streams from iptv decoder with mythtv – i enable PiP, and the entire screen goes nuts for a few, then mfe segfaults

[20:20:58]

iamlindoro:

LinuxMCE makes the baby jesus cry.

[20:21:15]

DustyBin:

jeeze, i thought you guys were joking

[20:21:16]

quantum:

should hostname on the fronend be the database server IP address

[20:21:18]

DustyBin:

http://linuxmce.com/

[20:21:34]

DustyBin:

is this a mythtv fork?

[20:21:52]

iamlindoro:

No, I know how to use a fork.

[20:21:54]

juski:

DustyBin: no, it's a PoS

[20:22:02]

|Torg|:

its alpha code

[20:22:14]

DustyBin:

juski: what are you opinions on it?

[20:22:18]

DustyBin:

your*

[20:22:21]

juski:

didn't I already say?

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|Torg|:

no he wants to know how you REALLY feal :P

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juski:

"ooh, it revolves on a cubic thingy. well, swivel on THIS!"

[20:22:44]

djc_:

i can run two mplayers accessing two different streams with no problem

[20:22:45]

djc_:

sigh

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DustyBin:

i dont like the look of the interface

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juski:

job done. next question

[20:23:21]

gbee:

DustyBin: believe it or not, but KDE want to use linuxmce as the base for their Windows Media Centre alternative

[20:23:49]

DustyBin:

its only been around for a bit? why?

[20:23:58]

juski:

djc_: well, I dunno if I'm just talking out of my hat here, but wouldn't you have to set both streams up as separate tuners or something for that to work?

[20:24:08]

djc_:

yeah, there are

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djc_:

two "FREEBOX" network encoders

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juski:

DustyBin: it revolves around a cube, therefore must be cool !

[20:24:17]

quantum:

o.k. looks like I had to restart it for the IP address change to work

[20:24:24]

djc_:

when it tries to use both, it goes haywire

[20:24:38]

DustyBin:

it looks horrible

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juski:

it'll be tricky to get anybody to care about PiP, djc_ ;)

[20:24:51]

DustyBin:

they might of stolen mythtv code

[20:24:57]

djc_:

well, PiP isnt the issue

[20:25:08]

iamlindoro:

Dusty, they're upfront about usinge Myth as a backend

[20:25:09]

djc_:

its the same problem if I try to record one and play another

[20:25:17]

iamlindoro:

So it's not stolen, as both are GPL

[20:25:18]

juski:

DustyBin: they incorporate mythtv code. if it's a fork of anything it's of PlutoHome

[20:25:19]

DustyBin:

myth as a backend ? :-S

[20:25:20]

djc_:

one is trashed

[20:25:47]

iamlindoro:

Dusty, Myth uses myth as a backend too :)

[20:26:12]

DustyBin:

yes i know, but i dont like the idea of something else 'using' it

[20:26:16]

DustyBin:

lame..

[20:26:43]

iamlindoro:

I guess... that's sorta the nature of Open Source, and GPL in particular

[20:26:48]

Gurft:

I'd be pretty happy if someone else decided that what myth had already accomplished was better then somethign they could write themselves.

[20:26:52]

Tanthrix:

DustyBin: Then you sir are lame!

[20:26:54]

juski:

DustyBin: I don't like the idea of some people who come in here using mythtv either, and giving it a bad press if they can't be chowed to read the docs..

[20:27:07]

DustyBin:

:-S

[20:27:09]

** DustyBin hides. **

[20:27:24]

Tanthrix:

That's the beauty of open source software.

[20:27:29]

juski:

anyway it can't be all that bad. it gave kde a hardon

[20:27:31]

DustyBin:

I have printed out and read the WHOLE manual

[20:27:37]

quantum:

I am trying mythfrontend with the following: 'mythfrontend -w -geometry 1024x768' however it will not appear in a window. I also tried enableing the option for this in the setup

[20:27:43]

DustyBin:

but theres a lot of stuff whats not listed

[20:28:02]

juski:

DustyBin: that's the beauty of open source software – you can contribute

[20:28:07]

Gurft:

from the screenshots it looks pretty nice, I could see using it for a whole house system....

[20:28:09]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, the rest of the stuff is in the wiki ;)

[20:28:35]

DustyBin:

yes i know, its good really. i couldnt code anything like that

[20:28:46]

quantum:

does the play in a window option still work?

[20:28:53]

juski:

quantum: yeah

[20:29:14]

juski:

doh mythfrontend still needs an X server even for --help

[20:29:32]

quantum:

juski, how do you turn it on?

[20:29:49]

quantum:

I can't seem to get any borders

[20:30:40]

DustyBin:

have any of you folk got the flash player working on mythweb svn

[20:30:40]

juski:

you could try mythfrontend -geometry 1024x768 -O RunFrontendInWindow=1

[20:30:41]

gbee:

juski: ermm, possibly, I fixed it for --version but didn't even think about --help

[20:31:00]

juski:

gbee: I was winging it there ;)

[20:31:03]

jams:

mythfrontend -w

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quantum:

jams: it doesn't work on my computer for some reason

[20:31:30]

quantum:

just ignores the -w apparently

[20:31:50]

juski:

works here

[20:31:57]

jams:

if you give it an option that it doesn't like it won't start

[20:32:08]

juski:

I see RunFrontendInWindow being forced to 1 in the output scrolly

[20:32:45]

jams:

and yeah it runs in a window and i get a border. Not title bar but i do get a borer

[20:32:50]

jams:

border

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quantum:

yeah I see the force line in my output also, but still no borders, hmm

[20:34:24]

jams:

and then i adjust the window's attributes and I have full border/titlebar

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juski:

sweet baby jesus I did rather spiff up blootube's music screen

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|Torg|:

animate blootube :)

[20:37:19]

juski:

I tried animation. it sucked. the playback rate can't be guaranteed

[20:37:35]

juski:

and it jumps when you change menu options sometimes

[20:38:02]

quantum:

what should the Master Server IP address be. should it be the frontend only machine or the backend server ip when setting it on the fronend only machine

[20:38:08]

juski:

I'd sooner animate the gui properly but that's way way beyond my programming

[20:38:09]

** |Torg| wonders if juski realises someone is being facetious **

[20:38:34]

kash:

how does mepo do the animation

[20:38:36]

juski:

|Torg|: I'll just assume everything you say is faeces-ish from now on then ;)

[20:38:41]

juski:

kash: flipbook style

[20:38:45]

kash:

ah

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|Torg|:

that would be a pretty good estimation juski :P

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juski:

and they didn't have much work to do in that dept as it turned out. mepo came ready-made

[20:39:31]

kash:

why must you be so difficult, juski

[20:39:33]

kash:

:(

[20:39:39]

juski:

now I'm the kinda guy who'll have a go at anything, but character animation is too far a stretch

[20:39:47]

|Torg|:

whats mepo?

[20:39:50]

juski:

kash: why must you be so whiny?

[20:40:03]

kash:

a theme with a little cute critter up in the corner that moves

[20:40:13]

iamlindoro:

Maybe a paperclip or something

[20:40:19]

** juski chuckles **

[20:40:25]

kash:

juski, that was sarcasm

[20:40:30]

|Torg|:

how about a juski icon that mocks you :)

[20:40:34]

kash:

you fail at sarcasm detection :)

[20:40:39]

juski:

'it looks like you're about to record Eastenders again. are you sure you want to do that?"

[20:40:50]

iamlindoro:

Exactly, lol

[20:40:58]

|Torg|:

'why do you want to record that drivel'

[20:41:05]

|Torg|:

'god your taste in tv sucks!'

[20:41:17]

juski:

mine'd be a little devil guy saying "hahahaha screw you! no way am I recording that shite! muahahahaha!"

[20:41:32]

|Torg|:

'sure that's for educations use, shall I get you some tissue?"

[20:41:36]

juski:

segfault in 5.. 4 ... 3.. .. haha kiddin' wit ya

[20:41:48]

iamlindoro:

Mythtv ultimate edition, Mythtv Teacher/Student edition...

[20:41:56]

iamlindoro:

Mythtv Media Center Edition

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|Torg|:

hell juski you make the icon and ill write up the tag lines :)

[20:42:13]

juski:

yeah my bile is too acidic

[20:42:14]

quantum:

I notice I get this error when I start it now, wonder if this is related with the window only issue: _IceTransSocketUNIXConnect: Cannot connect to non-local host localhost.localdomain Session management error: Could not open network socket

[20:42:32]

|Torg|:

you can add those stupid boing sounds too

[20:42:34]

juski:

that'd be ubuntu being crap at something or other

[20:42:45]

|Torg|:

plug in a buhc of windoze error sounds

[20:42:45]

juski:

mine does that all the time despite worky perfect

[20:42:49]

iamlindoro:

"Sorry, this version of MythTV is only licensed for drives up to 4 Gig... would you like to upgrade to MythTV Business edition?"

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[20:43:32]

|Torg|:

"Sorry, this verion of myth requires a user with a clue. Shall I get the bat?"

[20:43:38]

juski:

well, first thing you'd have to do with the MCE edition is limit the number of tuners and make it so you can't mix analog & digital in the same box. oh and make it so everything has to be in one box

[20:44:09]

juski:

oh and it can't play mpeg2 without you buying a plugin. wait that sounds like Elisa

[20:44:48]

Cardoe:

what table holds the scheduled recordings?

[20:44:51]

tjcarter:

juski: Actually, mixing analog and digital isn't hard anymore

[20:44:56]

iamlindoro:

Well on the plus side think of all the development time you'd save without having MythGame, MythGallery, MythWeb, and all the other "Non-DRM-friendly" features...

[20:45:03]

|Torg|:

"myth has detected a problem: Please turn off the TV"

[20:45:21]

iamlindoro:

Ah, but thanks to Juski we'd have the "Bloo" screen of death

[20:45:26]

juski:

tjcarter: yeah I heard there's a registry hack to get round that

[20:45:27]

|Torg|:

"You are attempting to watch a moview without DRM, please get one I can hack, replay aborted"

[20:45:49]

juski:

Cardoe: IIRC, record is the table you seek

[20:46:05]

tjcarter:

juski: it's really easy these days

[20:46:08]

|Torg|:

iamlindoro thats a great iea, use the blue screen of death screensaver and plug it instead of DPMS!

[20:46:10]

Cardoe:

juski: god.. friday's

[20:46:11]

iamlindoro:

"Scaling BSOD..." Which would of course go to 99% then start over.

[20:46:20]

Cardoe:

juski: I'm staring right around the darn thing

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juski:

funny but with you being the gentoo ebuild guy I thought you'd know all this stuff you ask ;)

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juski:

tjcarter: the tuner limit can be got around too I heard – same registry style hack. you really shouldn't need to though

[20:47:32]

kash:

microsoft never was good at anything..

[20:47:42]

tjcarter:

juski: I was talking Myth ;)

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juski:

tjcarter: lol

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juski:

I was imagining an MCE edition of mythtv – feature crippled

[20:48:37]

Eclipsor:

15:46:22 <Eclipsor> just a quick question about mythtv scheduling

[20:48:37]

Eclipsor:

15:46:32 <Eclipsor> I schedule most of my programs to start early 2 minutes and run late 2 minutes

[20:48:37]

Eclipsor:

15:46:58 <Eclipsor> say I only have one tuner available and I'm recording something from the 5:58–7:02 slot, but I also have a show I want to record from 6:58–8:02

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Eclipsor:

15:47:02 <Eclipsor> will it be completely cancelled?

[20:48:46]

Eclipsor:

15:47:09 <Eclipsor> or will it record it when possible

[20:48:46]

Eclipsor:

15:47:23 <Eclipsor> (4 minutes after I wanted it to start recording)

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juski:

it'll be classed as a conflict AFAIK and will not record the later show

[20:49:22]

gbee:

Eclipsor: use global padding instead

[20:49:31]

kash:

i bet that if MythTV was BSD-licence, you-know-who would use it in an irish second

[20:49:31]

|Torg|:

"this version of Mythtv is unregisterd......"

[20:49:34]

gbee:

not per-recording padding

[20:49:58]

tjcarter:

juski: I'm imagining a version of MythTV that is trivial to setup for someone who hasn't spent a lot of time reading how it all works.

[20:50:00]

gbee:

kash: bono?

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iamlindoro:

Oooooooh, 30 days left until MythTV activation...

[20:50:11]

tjcarter:

Noting that KnoppMyth and the like are very nearly there

[20:50:19]

kash:

gbee: suurre..

[20:50:20]

juski:

theres a question then.. is the multirec branch only for dvb or would it help pvr card users too?

[20:50:29]

|Torg|:

juski?????

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iamlindoro:

Knoppmyth, yuck

[20:51:12]

juski:

|Torg|: recording more than one thing from the same tuner stream

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|Torg|:

Knoppmyth is fine in concept, its the implimentation thats lacking

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gbee:

kash: sorry, thought the irish second was an onlique reference to U2 ;)

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|Torg|:

oh juski I know what multirec is, im just wondering why you would think and analog tuner could use it

[20:51:45]

juski:

a hell of a lot of hard work goes into knoppmyth, and the devs behind it are very proud and rightly so

[20:51:47]

kash:

nope

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gbee:

juski: DVB only

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kash:

i dunno why i said that :P

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kash:

i was referring to MS

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juski:

|Torg|: addled brain made me said it

[20:52:08]

juski:

*say it

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juski:

see

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gbee:

yeah, I know, just joking :)

[20:52:16]

juski:

and this, with no alcohol

[20:52:22]

|Torg|:

aahh I se your issue, it requres time at the pub :)

[20:52:40]

jams:

|Torg|- care to expand on your implementation thoughts?

[20:52:54]

juski:

not my nearest pub. last time I went there I felt like Clint Eastwood bursting through the saloon doors

[20:52:58]

|Torg|:

install in sata disks are a bit off, the packages leave trash behind

[20:53:12]

|Torg|:

the inflexibility of the distribution

[20:53:19]

kash:

i hate Debian

[20:53:22]

juski:

making up for healed liver cells tomorrow night though :)

[20:53:25]

Yggdrasil:

anyone here got an ati remote wonder up and running ?

[20:53:27]

Yggdrasil:

kash why ?

[20:53:31]

Yggdrasil:

it doesnt hate you

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|Torg|:

that good enough jams?

[20:53:58]

juski:

why don't ATI call their products by the full name any more? As in.. 'wonder why it doesn't work'

[20:54:08]

|Torg|:

dont get me wrong im not knockig knoppix, in fact I would throw it at a user who really didnt want to learn about linux

[20:54:31]

juski:

from what I've heard |Torg| knoppmyth is getting less & less knoppix-like with every release

[20:54:35]

|Torg|:

err sorry knoppmyth

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jams:

doens't matter to me, just curious what you meant so it could be improved.

[20:54:47]

|Torg|:

I use knoppix myslef, usualy as a recovery disk

[20:55:08]

|Torg|:

mostly I would clean out its packages, and list a series of hardware its "compatable" with

[20:55:13]

juski:

I can see what puts windows users off linux when knoppix is the first time they encounter it though

[20:55:39]

kash:

tbh, i enjoy using BSD more than Linux.

[20:55:50]

kash:

however, i don't have a PVR-150 card to use in BSD for mythtv.

[20:56:05]

kash:

i dunno if my bt878 card will work, either

[20:56:13]

iamlindoro:

Wasn't there some myth hardware vetting collaboration going on between KnoppMyth and someone else? Whatever happened to that?

[20:56:41]

|Torg|:

there is an imcomple list on the wiki, go contribute

[20:56:57]

iamlindoro:

ie, to create a "standard" platform?

[20:57:17]

kash:

yes

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kash:

the dragon people

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juski:

I got into a big of argy-bargy with someone on a forum a while back about myth going 'big time'. I basically said for that to be made feasible & easier, you'd prolly have to do a bit of feature chopping & limit supported hardware to a managable minimum

[20:57:37]

iamlindoro:

a la apple

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gbee:

iamlindoro: there was, can't remember anything about it though

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|Torg|:

I would put it in a "tested setup" "known to work setup" "has posbility, if you know hardware drivers" "wont work"

[20:58:00]

iamlindoro:

I think kash has it right, it was "dragon..."

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|Torg|:

mostly id love to know the last one

[20:58:19]

kash:

they have a forum on their site with tier 1, 2 and 3 hardware

[20:58:20]

iamlindoro:

Something like WINE's compatibility databas

[20:58:21]

juski:

there are too many distros & kernel revisions in the wild to say with any great degree of certainty, unless you're in control of everything

[20:58:23]

jams:

http://mythic.tv/

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kash:

i.e. works perfectly, works with some fixes, and needs a lot of work or doesn't work

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|Torg|:

yes iamlindoro like that

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juski:

and just because *I* got my tuner card working in kernel foobar.doodar it doesn't mean that noobtard can ;)

[20:58:57]

gbee:

juski: well it's true, given the freedom I might ditch a few 'features' and settings to improve maintainability and increase usability

[20:58:57]

iamlindoro:

Would be a good resource

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kash:

juski: right, and i'd rather mythtv not go the LinuxMCE path

[20:59:04]

kash:

because they suck

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juski:

"yeah I got it going dead easy. all I did was look at the driver code and patch the kernel, taking care to modify the access registers correctly"

[20:59:55]

iamlindoro:

Come on, I totally want my mythbox to be able to turn on my toaster.

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juski:

iamlindoro: sorry, your toaster isn't on the supported hardware list

[21:00:26]

|Torg|:

hell juski 90% of the "I cant get this to work" problems I see can be soved by simply reading the readme file or using Google to look it up

[21:00:49]

juski:

gbee: given the programming ability/time/etc I'd prolly write my own. lol

[21:01:04]

juski:

oh and the fact I'm a lazy feck

[21:01:06]

iamlindoro:

Cue the "Myth is a POS because it doesn't support my WinToast 2000"

[21:01:20]

juski:

anyway. screenshots

[21:01:33]

|Torg|:

mythtv is fine, its the damn themes that suck

[21:01:42]

|Torg|:

especaily that blootube, it sucks the most

[21:01:49]

Tanthrix:

Agreed!

[21:01:57]

juski:

yeah I spent hours making those themes suck so bad

[21:02:04]

juski:

glad you think so! :-P

[21:02:05]

Tanthrix:

;)

[21:02:12]

kash:

it's just that it's difficult to get it configured exactly the correct way

[21:02:12]

|Torg|:

tahks juski, its just what I wanted :)

[21:02:16]

juski:

wait. days, not hours

[21:02:17]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, I run my mythbox by using PINE to get to MythWeb

[21:02:20]

kash:

just what i didn't want*

[21:02:35]

iamlindoro:

just to avoid those themes

[21:02:38]

kash:

pine is an email client, dude o.o

[21:02:42]

|Torg|:

but juski it only took 5 seconds to make up my opinion

[21:02:57]

|Torg|:

pine??? pine is not elm!

[21:03:03]

iamlindoro:

Erm, true that... god, what am I thinking of

[21:03:10]

gbee:

I wouldn't re-write mythtv, I do recognise that aside from a couple of areas the code is good and really couldn't be improved by starting from scratch, besides the fact that it's tak ~30 different developers, a few thousands patches and 5+ years to reach this point

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juski:

|Torg|: that's ok because I've always known that appreciation is inversely proportional to the effort put in

[21:03:36]

juski:

gbee: not even 47 lines of perl? ;)

[21:03:43]

|Torg|:

juski the more you effect people they more they complain

[21:04:41]

|Torg|:

like you gbee if I had to write myth I would fail, it takes me hours just to diagnose a problem and write a patch that MAYBE works and usualy dosnt

[21:05:17]

kash:

i can't even get my remote working correctly with LIRC, let alone code an entire PVR application

[21:05:19]

|Torg|:

if you want a theme, well hell you can forget that, black text on white background, hows that for a theme

[21:05:26]

kash:

haha

[21:05:54]

** jams once started on a ascii art theme **

[21:06:01]

gbee:

juski: that's just crazy, you know that it couldn't be done with less than 63 lines

[21:06:01]

iamlindoro:

Torg, going back to my previous screwed up joke, maybe you can just wget mythweb pages and parse the HTML in your head to keep 'er old school ;)

[21:06:07]

|Torg|:

besides it always the graphics guys who get al the attention

[21:06:08]

juski:

buff text on a white background.. that'll test yer eyesight

[21:06:17]

juski:

|Torg|: and the chicks

[21:06:29]

|Torg|:

I can poit you tward MANY MANY substanded enterprise applicaions, the ones that are preferd have pretty GUIS

[21:06:33]

juski:

attention & chicks, the only reason to make themes in the world

[21:06:39]

|Torg|:

not that they can work better, they just LOOK better

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juski:

everytime I wear my 'hey babe I made blootube-wide' tshirt I get laid. it's incredible

[21:07:05]

kash:

LOL

[21:07:14]

iamlindoro:

"Blootube isn't the only thing that's wide."

[21:07:18]

|Torg|:

man I gota get one of those

[21:07:20]

gbee:

well you do get attention, lots of it from disgruntled users who think it "could be better"

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kash:

yes my chemistry professor told me she wanted to have sex with the creator of the theme and i told her to get in line

[21:07:42]

juski:

and steve adeffs who likes it, but the icon could do with being 2 pixels to the left

[21:08:13]

juski:

and you wonder why frazelhd has never been announced on the mailing lists... ;)

[21:08:27]

kash:

too much sex

[21:08:38]

iamlindoro:

Penile chafing?

[21:08:44]

kash:

no anal chafing

[21:08:45]

|Torg|:

not enough lube

[21:08:46]

juski:

I'm still way too touchy about my work. and then some

[21:08:51]

juski:

bloo-lube-wide?

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iamlindoro:

tikes

[21:08:55]

iamlindoro:

er yikes

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|Torg|:

juski I DID want an adult theme :)

[21:09:12]

kash:

juski can you make a KY theme for me for when i have a chick over

[21:09:25]

kash:

you can take as long as you want, obviously

[21:09:33]

juski:

you need to brush off negative comment with a "screw you guy" attitude from what I've been able to learn so far

[21:09:59]

juski:

okay kash – you line me up some models who don't mind doing OSS work & I'll make the theme

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kash:

i could model

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kash:

but i think the type of people attracted to that theme would be the wrong sorts

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|Torg|:

actually juski, be carefull of what you ask for :P

[21:10:33]

kash:

"OHH A HAIRY BROWN MAN THEME YAY"

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kash:

:(

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juski:

rofl

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juski:

yeah well, I'd rather be behind the graphics sooner than be on em

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|Torg|:

and I didnt mean a PORN theme, just not one suitable for kids

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kash:

i want a porn one

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juski:

haha one of the early screenshots of the blootube update had potentially parent-scaring pics

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|Torg|:

to to usenet alt.pictires, eraotica. hanmter.whatever

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kash:

haha

[21:11:53]

kash:

to to

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kash:

torg wears a tutu

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|Torg|:

juski where can I download that version :)

[21:12:23]

juski:

and the 1st ever mythtv demo video I did where I tour the EPG, you see *nal teens & stuff in there

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kash:

wtf

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** CharlieSu wears a tutu when I ... **

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juski:

I'll see if I can find the screenshot

[21:12:42]

kash:

pupu?

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CharlieSu:

sisi

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|Torg|:

its just what juski was watching at the time :)

[21:12:56]

kash:

riterite

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CharlieSu:

lol

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CharlieSu:

good times

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iamlindoro:

I call that section "Other" in MythVideo ;) For when my folks come visit...

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kash:

great oldies

[21:13:37]

kash:

i password protect mine

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|Torg|:

put your porn in the Palm directory, its where its going to go anyway

[21:15:05]

kash:

no, that goes into the tissue directory

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Abusador:

hi, I have some problems configuring version 20 of MythTV can anyone Help

[21:15:33]

iamlindoro:

Oooh, mythTV from the future!

[21:15:41]

kash:

jeeez

[21:15:44]

kash:

20?

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iamlindoro:

How are things in your time, spaceman?

[21:15:59]

iamlindoro:

;)

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kash:

we're gonna die in 2012

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Abusador:

sorry .020

[21:16:40]

kash:

too old

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juski:

nah can't find it. not to worry

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iamlindoro:

Oooh, Mythtv from the past!

[21:16:48]

iamlindoro:

Welcome to the future!

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Abusador:

0.20

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juski:

welcome, journeyman ;)

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Abusador:

sorry big fingers in a tyny keyboard

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zachtib:

what do i need to install for mplayer/ffmpeg to be able to read myth's recordings?

[21:18:49]

iamlindoro:

Zach, Mplayer should (in most cases) work out of the box with Myth recordings... what is your issue?

[21:19:02]

Nixus_Maximus:

or try vlc

[21:19:07]

kash:

not VLC

[21:19:46]

Nixus_Maximus:

works for me (maybe not the nuvs)

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gbee:

ffplay should work out of the box

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juski:

gbee: this is how it looks now: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/screenshots/bt7.jpg

[21:20:58]

gbee:

as will "mythtv filename" unsuprisingly

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zachtib:

i want to transcode them to flv files as part of mythweb, but ffmpeg claims to not support the format

[21:21:29]

gbee:

zachtib: what type of recordings are these exactly? framegrabber?

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** juski limbers up to do some svn adding **

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zachtib:

gbee, they're .nuv files, i think the video codec is RJPG

[21:22:00]

gbee:

juski: cool, prefer the -wide version but it's still pretty

[21:22:04]

kash:

yep, framegrabber

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gbee:

s/frame/lame/

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Nixus_Maximus:

zachtib: flv=flash? you probably have to compile ffmpeg with flv-support

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kash:

yes yes, we've all seen juski's name for them

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zachtib:

one sec, lemme pastebin

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Abusador:

can anyone help? the frntend is not talking with the backend

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gbee:

kash: it's apt, I might even change the name in the mythtv docs

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zachtib:

http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34936/

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gbee:

zachtib: can't say for certain, but you could try the development version of ffmpeg

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zachtib:

the one im running is pretty up to date

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CharlieSu:

zachtib: trying to get mythweb running or what?

[21:24:57]

zachtib:

CharlieSu, yes

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CharlieSu:

zachtib: with flash support for streaming or what? Are you using trunk?

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gbee:

you could also try transcoding them to another format first or recording in mp4, but I'm not too sure what options are available there – I've never used a framegrabber

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kash:

use mpeg4

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zachtib:

well, it's having trouble with the INPUT stream, that's the RJPG, not FLV

[21:26:22]

kash:

ffmpeg won't do RTJPEG

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zachtib:

plus, opening the recordings in mplayer gives me no video

[21:26:49]

zachtib:

kash, is there any way to make it?

[21:26:53]

kash:

no

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zachtib:

how can i change the codec myth is using for recordings?

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kash:

look at the wiki.

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juski:

zachtib: you can only use what mythtv gives you choices of.. for a framegrabber that's mpeg4 or rtjpeg

[21:28:08]

zachtib:

ok, where is that in the options?

[21:28:24]

zachtib:

front/backend?

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juski:

recording profiles IIRC – in mythfrontend utils/setup > setup > tv settings > recording > recording profiles or something

[21:30:28]

kash:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVOnFdMf0RU&am . . . &search=

[21:30:32]

Abusador:

I installed mythtv from source and the frontend is not talking with the backend

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kash:

Novell makes those too?

[21:30:47]

kash:

Abusador: uhm, maybe the backend isn't running?

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zachtib:

ok, found it

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zachtib:

now to record something and see if it works, thanks guys

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Abusador:

let me send you the error number

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Abusador:

http://pastebin.ca/669604

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juski:

gbee: can you please remind me how to put other thumbs in the themeinfo.xml ?

[21:33:40]

juski:

is it just extra <thumnail> lines ?

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gbee:

juski: yeah

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juski:

and the name="foo" can just be anything so long as ..?

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juski:

I mean does there have to be one called 'preview' or can they be anything?

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Abusador:

kash ?

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juski:

gbee: nm I've committed it. if it's wrong I can correct it

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iamlindoro:

Abusador, do mythbackend -d, then ps aux |grep mythbackend

[21:41:18]

iamlindoro:

Is mythbackend still running?

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gbee:

juski: one must be preview, for use in the theme settings dialogue, others can be called whatever you want, but the intention was that they reflect the screen shown in the image e.g. Main Menu, Mythmusic, Watch Recordings

[21:43:56]

gbee:

the name will be shown underneath the image on a "gallery" of screenshots on the theme repository website

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juski:

ah

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gbee:

or at least that's what I had in mind

[21:44:12]

juski:

right so I'll be ok then :0

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juski:

:) even

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juski:

heard about a guy at our other building today – he's a developer of some note – been asking the CEO how to check files into subversion

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gbee:

yeah, looks like it :)

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gbee:

heh

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gbee:

not that I knew how to do that before I started using svn, but you'd think the guy might know how to read documentation

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Abusador:

iamlindoro- http:pastebin.ca/669617 http://pastebin.ca/669618

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iamlindoro:

OK, so errors aside, my backend is running

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iamlindoro:

er your

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kash:

Details

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kash:

[21:47:32]

kash:

Interest Rate 1.24%

[21:47:32]

kash:

[21:47:32]

kash:

Interest YTD $0.15

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kash:

D:

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iamlindoro:

so run mythfrontend -v all and pastebin the output

[21:49:20]

juski:

wtf? http://stillhq.com/mythtv/mythnettv/

[21:50:19]

juski:

if it's so great & all that how comes it's only an unofficial plugin? might be a handy thing to have around

[21:51:01]

juski:

ah it's more of a hack than a plugin as such

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Cardoe:

juski: he's one of the authors of Practical MythTV

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juski:

yeah I know, but it still doesn't make the thing a plugin ;)

[21:53:05]

Cardoe:

no I know

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Cardoe:

I was just telling you

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Abusador:

iamlindoro- http:pastebin.ca/669623 -http:pastebin.ca/669625

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juski:

not dissing it per se either – it's a good idea. not sure I'd want youtube vids in my recordings list though

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juski:

I think I prefer how mythnews does things now

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kash:

i want some kind of Orb-like functionality within mythweb

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iamlindoro:

Abusador, are your frontend and backend the same machine?

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gbee:

15 pages into printing this document, page by page and I've just had a sense of deja-vu, pretty sure I've already done this already

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juski:

kash: it's already on its way

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Abusador:

iamlindoro- yes

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kash:

for mobile phones?

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juski:

kinda

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kash:

:|

[21:56:02]

kash:

nevermind then

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juski:

put it this way kash, the ultimate plan is to make mythtv stream to whatever device on the fly, and change the parameters of the stream to suit the target device

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iamlindoro:

abusador, pastebin your /etc/hosts

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Abusador:

k

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juski:

so if the target wants mpeg4 at 300x200, it gets it from whatever format the source material is. just what i heard. and as far as I said it's planned, no code has been touched for it yet

[21:58:09]

juski:

it'll fit in nicely with the mobile frontend which is a kind of side-project other people are working on

[21:58:13]

Abusador:

iamlindoro- http:pastebin.ca/669631

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juski:

mobile/agile ;)

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iamlindoro:

Abusador, try making both localhost and debian 127.0.0.1 and rerun backend and frontend, see if that helps

[21:59:26]

iamlindoro:

Why did you make debian 127.0.1.1 anyway?

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iamlindoro:

that is, change /etc/hosts so that both are 127.0.0.1

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juski:

and then restart the network daemon

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juski:

oops no need to do that. ignore my addled crappiness

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Abusador:

k

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Abusador:

i'm reeboting

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DustyBin:

juski: I tried using the radio times grabber in the mythtv setup, once i select it a bar goes across 50% then it freezes? how did you get it working?

[22:05:58]

juski:

press ALT TAB or whatever key you use to switch to other windows ;)

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DustyBin:

?

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juski:

yes just do it

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gbee:

DustyBin: before you comment, yes, that will be changed in 0.21

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juski:

I thought it told you already

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DustyBin:

aye ok

[22:06:58]

DustyBin:

no

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lexs:

maybe a bit offtopic, but is there any console app that can display "live" signal strenght?

[22:07:10]

DustyBin:

ive been using EIT for quite a while

[22:07:14]

lexs:

i need point my antenna

[22:07:35]

juski:

lexs: if it's digital, tzap, szap, czap, azap ;)

[22:07:36]

gbee:

the grabber runs outside mythtv and it's output appears in the console

[22:08:53]

kash:

so.. MPEG encoding cards don't do cc.

[22:08:57]

kash:

is that right?

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juski:

nope

[22:09:23]

kash:

what a tradeoff

[22:09:37]

juski:

I said no it's not right

[22:09:42]

kash:

oh

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kash:

wiki says otherwise :P

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iamlindoro:

Abusador, any change?

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juski:

wiki's wrong

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kash:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card

[22:10:13]

juski:

although not totally wrong. it says cc isn't always supported in all ivtv versions

[22:10:21]

kash:

oh

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BULLE:

hmm, while talking about ivtv, in some older drivers, i had some ivtvctl command or similar, where i could alter lots of settings

[22:11:27]

BULLE:

like what stream the card should produce

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BULLE:

and, what type of noise reduction it would use

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juski:

BULLE: that's called v4l2ctl in later versions

[22:11:56]

BULLE:

nowadays i cant find that tool anymore, so how am i supposed to select what noise reduction

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BULLE:

ah, v4l2ctl

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juski:

you don't get to ivtvdriver.org much do you? ;)

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BULLE:

juski: nah, things just work

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DustyBin:

one thing i find annoying is the following names:

[22:13:35]

BULLE:

juski: but thanks, found the settings

[22:13:51]

BULLE:

juski: havent touched my mythbox since the 0.20 release basicly, it just runs and runs

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** BULLE is very happy about that **

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DustyBin:

mythtv-setup, mythfrontend, mythbackend

[22:14:10]

DustyBin:

would somone mind changing mythtv-setup yo mythsetup

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DustyBin:

*to

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kash:

you do it

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BULLE:

DustyBin: use the force of ln !

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DustyBin:

hehe

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kash:

alias mythsetup="mythtv-setup"

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** juski has edited the offending wiki page **

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DustyBin:

i got a bad memory and i keep on typing things like mythtv-frontend

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juski:

if you want something doing..

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iamlindoro:

Dustybin- ln -s mythtv-setup mythtvsetup...

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juski:

gentoo used to call mythtv-setup mythtvsetup. man I got angry when I found it'd changed

[22:15:20]

juski:

I don't know about tab autocompletion then mind

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juski:

s/don't/didn't

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iamlindoro:

I am gonna assume we fixed Abusador's problem since he's stopped responding... I'm going home

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BULLE:

iamlindoro: happy homegoing!

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DustyBin:

juski: i swapped windows and typed ALL

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juski:

oh hell no

[22:18:06]

juski:

you didn't wanna do that

[22:18:12]

juski:

you lazy bugger!

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DustyBin:

?

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DustyBin:

its not asking me to use mythfilldatabase --manual because my grabber provided no channel numbers?

[22:18:49]

DustyBin:

*now

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juski:

when that config program quits, it'll write a file in ~/.mythtv called $videosourcename.xmltv

[22:19:16]

juski:

when you run mythfilldatabase now it'll insert all the channels into mythtv whether you can receive them or not

[22:19:24]

juski:

and it's a lot of channels

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DustyBin:

isnt it just my freeview channels?

[22:19:47]

juski:

nope

[22:19:52]

DustyBin:

ohh noooo

[22:20:05]

juski:

I SO need to crack on with that bloody config wizard I keep dreaming about

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juski:

all is not lost though. you can hand-edit the xmltv file in ~/.mythtv to remove what you don't need

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DustyBin:

i found the bastard but its empty

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DustyBin:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 0 2007-08–21 15:30 Radio Times.xmltv

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juski:

and just delete the crufty channels from the database

[22:21:00]

juski:

empty? weird

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juski:

DustyBin: read the wiki page about xmltv in the UK

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DustyBin:

after i press ALL another message came up saying that my grabber provided no channel numbers

[22:21:58]

DustyBin:

maybe radio times is down

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juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Uk_xmltv

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DustyBin:

thanks ill take a look

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juski:

no the grabber doesn't provide numbers because it doesn't know what platform you're on

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juski:

this is just one of the things my wizard will get around

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juski:

it's gonna have a database of providers & lineups & areas

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DustyBin:

im going to try again from mythtv-setup

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DustyBin:

The first, probably the most popular is to allow mythtv-setup to tun the grabber configuration script from the 'Video Source Setup' page. Please note that running the grabber config script from here requires the user to switch focus back to the terminal session mythtv-setup was started from.

[22:23:36]

juski:

basically the intention is, you tell it your postcode & your provider/package details & it'll do the rest ;) that's my master plan

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juski:

"Do not be tempted too answer 'all' unless ALL the channels offered by this grabber are required – otherwise empty and unusable channels will be created every time mythfilldatabase is run!"

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DustyBin:

blebob.org is another place to grab channel information!

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juski:

bleb.org

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DustyBin:

*bleb

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juski:

they've been known to go down for months

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DustyBin:

juski: did you have to run mythfilldatabase --manual after?

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juski:

nope

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DustyBin:

jeeze whats wrong here

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juski:

I've just run tv_grab_uk_bleb --configure & got "Unable to download channels list from http://www.bleb.org/tv/data/listings.

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juski:

Died at /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk_bleb line 309."

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juski:

see? ;)

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DustyBin:

ok

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DustyBin:

tv_grab_uk_rt --configure <-- im going to run this as the mythtv user

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DustyBin:

Add channel Playboy TV? yes :D

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juski:

you'll find that at least one channel on freeview works just fine if you disable interactive tv ;)

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DustyBin:

wow :D

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DustyBin:

i thought u need special codes to unencrypt those channels

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juski:

they're 'hidden' behind mheg apps

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juski:

you can't disable mheg on set top boxes ;)

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kash:

freeview?

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DustyBin:

nice

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DustyBin:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 7568 2007-08–24 23:25 EIT.xmltv

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DustyBin:

thats better

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DustyBin:

i just pushed ALL again, i dont even know whats freeview or not

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juski:

oh man

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DustyBin:

actually ill get up mythweb listings

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juski:

the snag there is that you'll also get all the BBC & ITV regions too – and you don't want em

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DustyBin:

ok ill do it again

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juski:

DustyBin: I'll show you my xmltv file for my dvb-t source

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juski:

just to give you a clue ;)

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DustyBin:

ok thanks

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/antenna.xmltv

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DustyBin:

thats better

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DustyBin:

im going to use my EIT listing to select the correct channels

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juski:

I'm tempted to move over to EIT altogether soon

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juski:

I think when it goes to 14 days I will for sure

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DustyBin:

why

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juski:

it's updated on the fly is why

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juski:

when shows start late they update the tables

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DustyBin:

i like the film review starts on the grabber

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DustyBin:

*stars

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juski:

yeah – there's gonna be a way to combine them eventually which'll be nice

[22:37:07]

juski:

I don't like the 2 page essay reviews which spoil the ending

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DustyBin:

you can already combine EIT and Grabber?

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juski:

don't think so

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DustyBin:

i ticked them both

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juski:

or rather EIT will just overwrite the grabber

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DustyBin:

Add channel BBC HD? <-- is that on SKY only?

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juski:

it's on Astra

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zachtib:

hey, i'm back... ok, i do get something different now with mpeg instead of RJPG, here's the output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34946/

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zachtib:

it's a floating point exception

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zachtib:

"[mpeg4 @ 0x2ad144799e50]header damaged" does this mean its just a problem with this one recording?

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juski:

more like it can't use mpeg4 from myth recordings either

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juski:

so looks like the streaming from mythweb doesn't work at all for framegrabber recordings. sucky huh? :D

[22:47:55]

zachtib:

sigh... little bit, yeah

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juski:

as good a reason as any not to use framegrabbers

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DustyBin:

mine doesnt work at all

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zachtib:

what's the alternative to framegrabbers?

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** DustyBin compains to the myth HQ **

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juski:

mpeg encoding tuner cards & digital tuners and firewire

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zachtib:

would the hauppage cards work?

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juski:

pvr cards yes

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zachtib:

hmmm

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DustyBin:

pvr cards are ony

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zachtib:

i may have to invest in one

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juski:

mpeg2 is very easy for ffmpeg to handle

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DustyBin:

only for those with cable or sat TV, normal UK DVB users only require a frame grabber

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juski:

it won't be like this forever though – there's an ultimate plan to stop depending on ffmpeg to do the transcoding & make the backend do it itself

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zachtib:

cool

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juski:

DustyBin: not quite true. dvb-t cards are not strictly framegrabbers. the framegrabber part is used for a pci interface for the dvb stuff usually

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DustyBin:

ok

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zachtib:

the weird thing is it encoded the first few seconds of the program fine, but failed after 30sec or so

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juski:

mythtv doesn't record actual mpeg4 AFAIK – it's modified somehow I think

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juski:

haha i just realised the iPod export script I made won't work for framegrabber recordings either. oh well

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juski:

c'est la vie

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juski:

MS were very wise not to support framegrabbers in MCE IMHO

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zachtib:

well, once i get a new analog card, i'll move this one back to digital

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zachtib:

there's a few OTA digi channels i should be able to get here

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juski:

there is however *one* good use for framegrabbers: that'd be for playing game consoles on your PC – no lag ;)

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juski:

that is, not through mythtv

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zachtib:

ah, didn't know that

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juski:

that's about as far as it goes though – other than for use with apps like tvtime where all you wanna do is watch stuff

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juski:

MythTV 0.20.2 Released :-O

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juski:

bwahahaha.. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10105525412

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zachtib:

lol

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djc_:

sigh.. well I just checked out the latest trunk, and I still cant record one iptv source while watching another

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juski:

time to raise a ticket then – give as much information as you can – logs / backtraces etc..

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juski:

can't get fixed if nobody reports it

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nordle:

Hi guys, its been a year since I installed mythtv and I've just changed screen. Does mythtv follow whatever res X is running, I can't remember, sorry. I've googled, but just get results from people who can't get X sorted, so it hasn't answered my question. Thank you.

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juski:

nordle: depends what the GUI size settings are. if the X & Y size are 0 (the defaults) then myth will run in fullscreen mode

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djc_:

i dont get any backtraces, it just garbles the recordings.. almost like there isnt enough bw to handle it, but I know there is

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juski:

djc_: on a wired network?

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djc_:

yes..

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djc_:

'cable' tv provider providing tv over ip

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juski:

I'd recommend raising a ticket anyway if you provide enough information

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djc_:

i can record two streams (or more) with standalone mencoder

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djc_:

where would I do that?

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juski:

svn.mythtv.org

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juski:

before you do though, go to the preferences page & put in your name & email address – or at least your email address

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aficionado:

Hi, I am trying to understand the Mythtv infrastructure. Does the backend do anything more than just scheduling recordings? i.e. is that where all the content will live?

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juski:

aficionado: the content can live anywhere the backend has access too

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Aval0n_:

anyone in here have problems with the pvr-500 that was related to samsung tuners?

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aficionado:

So if a frontend needs to view a video, will it download the video from the source first? Or will there be some other form of streaming done?

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juski:

Aval0n_: samsung tuner issues were nixed ages ago a few verions of ivtv since

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juski:

aficionado: the backend streams the video to the frontend via its own protocol

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juski:

aficionado: or you can mount the storage as 'local' to the frontend (using the same path of course) and it'll play as if local

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aficionado:

juski: how do the two options compare? I am trying to figure out if I can get away with a 802.11b wifi connection.

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juski:

myth's own protocol is likely more efficient

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aficionado:

that is, I want to stay away from running a cable

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juski:

YMMV with wireless

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juski:

802.11b might be enough for SDTV but certainly not for HDTV

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Aval0n_:

juski: I'm sorry

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Aval0n_:

I meant that WASN'T

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Aval0n_:

I don't have them

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aficionado:

juski: yeah, I am not looking for HDTV; at least not yet :)

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Aval0n_:

i have a type a card

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juski:

aficionado: for a good guide on how mythtv operates: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview

[23:46:27]

juski:

Aval0n_: scaling sdtv up from crappy analogue cable to HD res is always gonna look iffy IMHO

[23:46:31]

aficionado:

juski: OK, I'll go check that out. thanks!

[23:46:59]

Aval0n_:

juski: agreed, but i've seen screen caps and videos that sure seem to look a lot better than what i'm getting

[23:47:16]

juski:

Aval0n_: maybe you have a grounding problem

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Aval0n_:

hmm I don't think so I don't get scrolling vertical bar

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Aval0n_:

image just seems grainy

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juski:

tried a cable attenuator? cable feeds can be too 'hot' as well as too low ;)

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Aval0n_:

bob 2x makes it look a lot better if I have it arou 5000 bitrate

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juski:

if the tuner is being swamped by signal that won't be nice

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nordle:

Juski: Thanks, how does it know what fullscreen mode is?

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juski:

nordle: it asks X

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Aval0n_:

i looked at my cable modem and my signal to it is 30db

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Aval0n_:

it being the 2nd leg of my external 2 way splitter

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juski:

tried without the splitter?

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Aval0n_:

yeah

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juski:

any different?

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Aval0n_:

i tried it first that way

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Aval0n_:

and with an amp

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nordle:

juski: cool, so if X is ok, then myth is ok. Also, I keep seeing peoples (including mine) xorg.conf set to 24bit, is there any reason not to set it to 32bit?

[23:49:48]

juski:

nope

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Aval0n_:

but the ame gave me scrolling diagonal lines on some chans

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juski:

Aval0n_: tried moving the pvr card to a different slot?

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Aval0n_:

yes

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Aval0n_:

I swaped with my kworld

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juski:

electrical noise in the PC can be a factor too

[23:50:25]

juski:

speed controlled fans, crappy PSUs..

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nordle:

juski: mmm, weird. I wonder why so many are 24bit, I'll do another google but include 32bit and see how many come back, thanks again!

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juski:

failing capacitors..

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Aval0n_:

speed controlled fans eh?

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Aval0n_:

I have a pretty big one of those

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Aval0n_:

my case has a speed controller on it

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Aval0n_:

that I have my fan going through

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juski:

try without the controller

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Aval0n_:

but those lines are non-existant without the amp

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juski:

a PC is no place for sensitive radio frequency devices ;)

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Aval0n_:

:)

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juski:

your PSU might even be the cause

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Aval0n_:

the lines appear on 2 or 3 chans with the amp gain up all the way

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Aval0n_:

and even then are faint

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Aval0n_:

it's more of image quality thats my issue

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juski:

and where does the cable run alongside?

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Aval0n_:

it comes down from my attick

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juski:

how long for?

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Aval0n_:

attic*

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Aval0n_:

maybe 30 ft run

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juski:

hmm not that far then

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Aval0n_:

i'm sorry it's more like 50

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juski:

even so – not that far for a screened cable

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Aval0n_:

my calbe modem says it's 30db power

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nordle:

juski: holly ****, it worked, 1360x768 looks sweeeeeeet! :)

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Aval0n_:

cable*

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Aval0n_:

nordle on what?

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Aval0n_:

I could not that res through hdmi for the life of me

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Aval0n_:

I stuck with 2180x768

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juski:

Aval0n_: 30dB is prolly the return power level

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ARfdee:

help

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ARfdee:

livetv doesn't work right

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ARfdee:

but recorded programs playback fine

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Aval0n_:

http://pastebin.org/1113

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Aval0n_:

btw mr hornsby, that spdif solder just works amazing

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juski:

Aval0n_: what res are you capturing at?

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nordle:

Aval0n_: Using a DVI to HDMI cable, I just put 1360x768 into the xorg and told it to use EDI (cant remember acronym) and it just did it. Its a 37" Hannspree JT02

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Aval0n_:

juski 720x480

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aficionado:

juski: does audio streaming work the same way as video streaming?

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Aval0n_:

nordle you are a luck bastard

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juski:

Aval0n_: ah ok. and no problem. I was wondering if you had the balls to try it ;)

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Aval0n_:

hahaah

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juski:

aficionado: you get both together

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Aval0n_:

juski: no electronics required

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Aval0n_:

lol

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Aval0n_:

it's nice just having 1 hdmi cable to plug in

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juski:

I bet

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Aval0n_:

I had to change a line in my alsa config, because it would recognize the iec958 chip

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nordle:

Aval0n_: Thanks :) It sais in the manual that the TV comes pre-set with 1360x768 as default. I've read that a lot of TV's are 1366 and it means people have to mess about with modelines.

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tjcarter:

nordle: EDID

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juski:

well my back is giving me hell so I'm gonna have a soak

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Aval0n_:

justin: ok thanks man see ya

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aficionado:

juski: ok, thanks

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aficionado:

later

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nordle:

tjcarter: Thats the bunnny

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Aval0n_:

is bob the best de-interlacing filter?

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Aval0n_:

nordle my tv is 1366x768 res too

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Aval0n_:

but only gives 720p through hdmi

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tjcarter:

I'd wondered about that myself Aval0n

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Aval0n_:

can I see your mode line?

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Aval0n_:

bob and standard XvmC gives me the best results

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Aval0n_:

<Shrug>

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Aval0n_:

still not quite satisfied with my SD quality

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Aval0n_:

my HDTV qual looks amazing

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ARfdee:

[mpeg2video @ 0x6cd9380]MPEG motion vector out of boundary

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Aval0n_:

nordle: can I have a looksie at your xorg.conf file

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tjcarter:

MythTV and HD are almost not worth using together at this stage.

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Aval0n_:

put it on pastebin?

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Aval0n_:

tjcarter huh?

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Aval0n_:

why?

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