Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, August 22nd, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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my2keh:

so no ideas how to fix this up?

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blackest:

i think you can get it to match on program description but sometimes they don't write the same thing and you get two copies

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my2keh:

ahhh you know what

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my2keh:

I think it's because on one episode

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my2keh:

it says at the end of the description [Also avail in HD]

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my2keh:

the otherone doesn't say that

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my2keh:

i'm guessing it matches the whole desc

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my2keh:

not just the first number of X characters

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blackest:

computers are stupidly brilliant thats not the same even if its a few ascii chars extra

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my2keh:

ahh and another show goes as for to say (on 2 different times)

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my2keh:

[Also available on channel XXX]

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my2keh:

or channel YYY

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my2keh:

hence 2 different shows

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blackest:

i wouldnt worry too much about it you can pick a title and delete the shows you don't want

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floppyears:

quick question

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blackest:

you can over ride the scheduler for individual episodes so it doesnt have to record them me i would prefer two copies especially if one starts early or late

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floppyears:

how did you guys set up your remote so that the volume is turned down while you hold the volume key ?

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blackest:

well the only thing that does that for me is an old xbox running xebian and mythfrontend

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blackest:

that was predone thou

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kash:

what's the HTTP page to get to the backend status?

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kash:

http://ip:6543?

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blackest:

i use mythweb

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kash:

i don't have that yet

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kash:

well i do, but it doesn't work right.

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blackest:

it doesn't load up ?

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my2keh:

brb

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kash:

no it does

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blackest:

you should be able to check status from that

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TheAsp:

is there going to be a release with sd.org support soon?

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kash:

no

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Anduin:

TheAsp: Yes

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kash:

blackest: i can get to the status page, but it's blank.

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TheAsp:

a new release or fixing the current one?

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kash:

TheAsp: it's in SVN

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TheAsp:

yeah, i know

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kash:

so..?

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TheAsp:

im trying to decide if i want to switch to svn :P

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kash:

if you know then why ask

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kash:

:|

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Anduin:

TheAsp: A 0.20.2 -fixes with an update.

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TheAsp:

Anduin: ahhh, thanks

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floppyears:

TheAsp: I would highly recommend switching to trunk, but make sure you backup your db and your current installation

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blackest:

i am fraid i aint expert enough to fix mythweb Ijust installled it from synaptic

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floppyears:

incase you need to go back to what you were using

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floppyears:

blackest: did you check the logs ?

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floppyears:

mythweb is a php app so if there are any errors, I think they should be in the apache logs or something liek that

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kash:

i'm using lighttpd

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floppyears:

oh

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blackest:

kash you might be making life hard for yourself

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Anduin:

kash 6544

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Inssomniak:

hey does anyone else crash with x bad opcode errors?

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Inssomniak:

frontend?

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kash:

6544 doesn't ever return anything for me

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kash:

if i try to go there it just keeps loading

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blackest:

how about ssh to your backend and taking a look at /var/log/mythtv/backend.log

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blackest:

actually just ssh lets you know its finished rebooting

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blackest:

you can pickup the backend process id that would let you know if its running

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kash:

it's running

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kash:

no doubt about that

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kash:

otherwise it wouldn't keep loading, it would just say cannot reach

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blackest:

have you got ssh server installed on your backend?

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kash:

well it loaded

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kash:

i deleted a 25GB file from /myth/tv/

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kash:

of course.

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kash:

gonna go watch robot chicken

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kash:

bbl

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blackest:

then i'd try that open a terminal and bang away at the command line or even sudo nautilus so you can explore the file system and read stuff your not quite sure where it is

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MrSassyPants:

where's the setting to reduce the amount of picture shown?

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MrSassyPants:

grah, you know, the overscan

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kash:

probably tv playback settings

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DrMitch:

anyone know why, when i open up mythfrontend, X restarts?

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kash:

check logs.

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DrMitch:

all i find is a mythbackend log

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DrMitch:

and it doesn't have anything but something from 8-2–2007

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drmitch:

okay, all it says from console is: "Fatal IO error: client killed" that's if i try to run mythtv-setup OR mythfrontend

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drmitch:

any clue?

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MrSassyPants:

opengl / dri somesuch maybe

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drmitch:

hmm... well it's definitely some kind of display driver error... second life won't open either

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drmitch:

nor google earth

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zachtib:

hey, what's the current preferred way to get programming info in the US?

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fryfrog:

datadirect/labs.zap2it.com

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fryfrog:

in early sept, that'll move to "schedules direct" though

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fryfrog:

of course, you can also use EIT

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zachtib:

uh, is it supposed to take this long to mythfilldatabase

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zachtib:

?

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zachtib:

nvm

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zachtib:

its done

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fryfrog:

yar, takes a while as you see

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fryfrog:

later runs that only grab current day and last day are faster

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fryfrog:

but the initial population is slow and *looks* like it is just doing the same thing over and over and over and over and... over and over :p

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drmitch:

dangit dangit dangit. i fixed the prob by recompiling the nvidia driver. but before i did that, i backed up my mysql db and created a new one...didn't work so i moved it back over....without shutting down the mysqld. so now i lost all my settings and stuff!

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fryfrog:

so just re-import that same db

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fryfrog:

you have it exported as a text ".sql" file right?

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fryfrog:

or did you just copy the directory?

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zachtib:

hey. i can't seem to schedule a recording... no matter what i do, after i hit save, it goes back to not recording

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drmitch:

just copied the whole mysql/ dir

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drmitch:

frownie face

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drmitch:

oh well. i've configured from scratch so often lately, i could do it blind by now

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zachtib:

well, the recording show up in mythweb...

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yotux:

I was reading the wiki and was a little confused about pc reqs. I have a 733 with a small imap server and was going to use mythtv backend oly is this il advised?

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my2keh:

try it

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my2keh:

let us know

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my2keh:

A PIII/733MHz system can encode one video stream using the MPEG-4 codec using 480x480 capture resolution. This does not allow for live TV watching, but does allow for encoding video and then watching it later.

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my2keh:

right from the manual

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fryfrog:

zachtib: give it a sec

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fryfrog:

after you schedule it, you need to wait for myth's schedule thread to pick it up

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fryfrog:

usually happens every 5 min or so

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yotux:

I was reading that also ut theny I saw the line bout pvr-150

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zachtib:

ok

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fryfrog:

yotux: it'd make a decent test platform

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GreyFoxx:

yotux: It would be fine with a pvr card

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my2keh:

the more you can offload on hardware devices (ie pvr-150) the better

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zachtib:

does anyone know if i NEED an audio patch cable for the HD3000? it seems kind of odd that i would

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zachtib:

but i dont think i get sound otherwise

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fryfrog:

eventually you'll probably want a bit more UMPF, but for learning it and deciding if you want to invest more... it'll be fine

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fryfrog:

zachtib: for analog or digital?

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zachtib:

analog

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fryfrog:

analog on those cards is just a bttv afaik, i'm not surprised you need a passthrough cable

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fryfrog:

you might try btaudio?

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fryfrog:

er, well maybe it isn't *exactly* a bttv card...

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fryfrog:

but it isn't a hardware mpeg2 one either

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fryfrog:

My suggestion would be to ignore analog using it, buy a PVR150 to go with it

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fryfrog:

afaik, you can't use analog and digital at the same time anyway

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zachtib:

fryfrog, well, i dont get digital content here, and im strapped for cash

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zachtib:

so i think im just gonna use a patch cable for now

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fryfrog:

er

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fryfrog:

why'd you get that card then?

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zachtib:

though, does hauppage make a dual-tuner card...

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zachtib:

fryfrog, i bought it right before the broadcast flag was supposed to become law

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fryfrog:

PVR150 is like $50, an HD card like you got has to be like $80?

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fryfrog:

ahhh, so it is kind of old and a just in case thing :)

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zachtib:

it was 130

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zachtib:

yes, exactly

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fryfrog:

you might be able to sell it on fleabay

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fryfrog:

or craiglist (or here even)

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fryfrog:

by "dual tuner" do you mean analog and digital?

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fryfrog:

or two analogs on one card?

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zachtib:

nah, i like it :) plus, there'll be digital content soon enough

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zachtib:

either, i guess

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fryfrog:

PVR-500 is literally 2x PVR150s on one card

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zachtib:

ooh

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fryfrog:

don't think there is any of the digital + analog that work in linux from haupage, but i could be wrong

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zachtib:

actually, that channels 100–199 here are digital AFAIK, but i cant figure out how to get myth to see them

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zachtib:

fryfrog, do i need to run two coax lines into the 500, or does it split the signal itself?

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fryfrog:

splits it internally

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fryfrog:

but it *does* have two coax connectors, so don't be confused by pictures

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fryfrog:

one is an FM radio antenna input

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zachtib:

ah, cool

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zachtib:

can myth tune and record the radio?

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fryfrog:

it also has 2 sets of RCA and svideo

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fryfrog:

zachtib: don't think so :(

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zachtib:

i see that

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zachtib:

aww, too bad

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fryfrog:

but 1 of the sets is on a daugter card

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fryfrog:

yeah, it'd be cool if it could

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fryfrog:

but probably a little used feature

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fryfrog:

and you coudln't do the sort of scheduling you can with tv

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zachtib:

but still nce to have

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fryfrog:

cause no one has listings for radio

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fryfrog:

but sure would be nice if you could just listen and buffer live, just for the heck of it

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zachtib:

yeah, but if i know something comes on every week at X time, i could do i manually

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zachtib:

plus, if i missed something, i could back up a few seconds to hear it again

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GreyFoxx:

there was talk once of a mythradio plugin using analog radio tuners or the pvr ones but nothing ever got off the ground

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GreyFoxx:

My wife would like it :)

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fryfrog:

zachtib: sounds like you have a plugin to make for myth!

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zachtib:

:)

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zachtib:

yay, i found a patch cable

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zachtib:

ok, now i can't get sound quite working

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zachtib:

how do i tell myth toi record from the line in

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opello:

how is it going from 0.20 to 0.21?

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fryfrog:

+0.01?

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opello:

well, any 'gotcha' changes?

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opello:

when i went from 0.18.1 to 0.20 it started recording everything i watched :)

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fryfrog:

oh, is 0.21 out?

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fryfrog:

opello: you could setup a test system with svn head on it, see what its like

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fryfrog:

and myth *always* recorded everything you watched, in 0.20 it just *kept* them for a short time in case you wanted to go back and watch it

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opello:

well, i figured i'd just go do it after seeing any feedback from here

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opello:

right, splitting hairs :)

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fryfrog:

:)

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fryfrog:

i use svn head and there are some minor tweaks that i think are awesome

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fryfrog:

at the end of watching a show, it used to exit to the ui and ask you if you wanted to delete/save/etc

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fryfrog:

now it has this sort of pop up over the paused, ended video asking the same thing

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fryfrog:

just feels more polished, to me

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fryfrog:

humm, what else?

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opello:

neat

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fryfrog:

recording groups maybe? lets you use multiple hard drives / directories

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fryfrog:

its deeper and more useful than i'm explaining, but id on't feel ike writing a paragraph about it :)

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opello:

heh, fair enough :)

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fryfrog:

oh, time to go home!

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fryfrog:

later :)

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opello:

thanks

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my2keh:

Anyone know why mythweb, manual recording screen only shows distinct channel numbers?

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my2keh:

Like I have 2 506's but it's only displaying the first

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

question: I am having trouble getting schedules recordings to happen. I pick my show, set my settings, and hit save... and it never records, and never has anything show up on upcoming recordings... any ideas?

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my2keh:

is this a bug?

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GreyFoxx:

my2keh: Is it the same channel jsut on 2 different sources ?

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my2keh:

uhh different sources

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GreyFoxx:

different callsigns and everything?

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my2keh:

uhh huh

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my2keh:

one's PPV and the other is WEA-I

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GreyFoxx:

hmmmm that might be a bug

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

what about the bug I have?

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my2keh:

PRoGRaMMeRQ>> the world is revolving around me right now

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my2keh:

thanks

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my2keh:

heh

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

my2keh: I've asked the question three times and have been met with silence

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my2keh:

I guess I have to figure out how to submit a bug report

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

I'm to the point of frustration now

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my2keh:

PRoGRaMMeRQ>> maybe no one has the answer?

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

an acknowledgement would be nice

[02:01:39]

my2keh:

PRoGRaMMeRQ>> I don't know the answer

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GreyFoxx:

umnmmm so you want 180 "no never seen it" when you ask a quesiton noone has an answer too ?:)

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

no

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

but silence is just harsh

[02:02:23]

PRoGRaMMeRQ:

not even a question like "did you make sure to _______"

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GreyFoxx:

people do not respond if they have nothing to say

[02:02:35]

GreyFoxx:

It's jsut the way it is

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GreyFoxx:

though if I was you I would restart the backend and check it's output

[02:03:05]

my2keh:

lol

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

I know, but this can't be an isolated issue, and in the case that it is, I guess a complete wipe and re-install of all binaries, settings, and config files.

[02:03:41]

my2keh:

I don't see many people talking about it

[02:03:44]

PRoGRaMMeRQ:

I'll look at the output. I didn't see anything useful, but I really wasn't scouring it.

[02:03:44]

my2keh:

check the mailing list

[02:04:01]

my2keh:

GreyFoxx>> I got around it, just recorded it on another channel

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

nothing meaningful about any kind of error in output of backend or frontend.

[02:08:20]

my2keh:

Can I change tuner priority's from mythweb?

[02:09:42]

GreyFoxx:

You can pick a preferred tuner when setting the recording rule

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my2keh:

THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING!

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my2keh:

heh

[02:10:04]

my2keh:

really hmmm

[02:10:24]

my2keh:

Not when doing a manual recording

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my2keh:

at least from mythweb

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Cardoe:

fryfrog: ping

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my2keh:

i do most of my stuff in mythweb

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my2keh:

because I have the eyesight of an 80 y/o

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Inssomniak:

is there any particular setting to get mythfrontend to tune back to the last channel/card/input it was on?

[02:14:46]

my2keh:

IRON CHEF: FOIE GRAS!

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my2keh:

heh

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|Torg|:

is there a facility for forcing a comflagging job to a specifc host?

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Cardoe:

|Torg|: it's in the configs somewhere.. I forget where

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Cardoe:

you can make commflagging happen on the master or the machine that recorded it

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Cardoe:

the default is any

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|Torg|:

yes I know that

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|Torg|:

I want to be able to divert it from one host or another at the time it is running

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Cardoe:

not afaik.. but I only know -fixes

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|Torg|:

the only way I really know how is to kill the job, start mythjobque on another, and rerun the job. Hopping it goes to the one I started the queue on

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|Torg|:

but there does not seem to be a way to implicitly tell it to do a flag job ona certain host at any given time

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synic:

I have a pvr150 that _was_ working for a while, but now I can't change channels. It says the channel changed, but it stays on whatever channel it's on (I can't tell which yet)

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|Torg|:

I was hoping maybe someone knew of INSERT to the database job queue or something

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synic:

I've moved, and I still have the same problem, so I don't think it's the cable

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Cardoe:

synic: have you tested it with the command line tools?

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Cardoe:

what kernel? what version of the driver?

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synic:

2.6.20-16-generic

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synic:

Cardoe: hrmm, I didn't know there were command line tools

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Cardoe:

ivtv-tune

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Cardoe:

then cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

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Cardoe:

and play it

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synic:

k

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|Torg|:

ivtv dosnt have a dvr0?

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mfgalizia:

Is anyone here using ivtv from 2.6.22? I'm not getting any sound.

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mfgalizia:

WIth previous non-kernel versions everything worked fine.

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synic:

Cardoe: yeah, looks like it's stuck on channel 5, even with the CLI tools.

[02:35:37]

synic:

it worked for a few months there.. not sure what I did.

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TUplink1:

is the SD stuff builtin to myth yet?

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fryfrog:

just went in afaik, but it isn't open to the public

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fryfrog:

well, to svn head that is

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TUplink1:

i use SVN anyways

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TUplink1:

i was just wondering if i went ahed and downloaded it and built it tonight if i would have the SD stuff

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fryfrog:

yeah, i just built svn head and it did

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fryfrog:

looks like for now it has TMS and SD both

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Solv:

anybody here use vlc as their external player? I have tried every option I can find to hide the gui (I don't mean fullscreen, or the splash, I mean making it not appear at all) but I can't figure it out

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Solv:

when oyu press play from the menu, it switches modes and flashes up the gui which is annoying when trying to integrate it with mythtv

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TUplink1:

Updated to revision 14249

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|Torg|:

fryfrog what file is that in?

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: i'm not sure what you mean, i was just running "mythtv-setup" and it is there

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|Torg|:

oh I thoguht you were looking in the src code

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fryfrog:

oh, no worry :)

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fryfrog:

i mean, no sorry

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fryfrog:

I just hooked up an ariel to my two cards though

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fryfrog:

I got a fair number of channels with just rabbit ears

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|Torg|:

yea it depens on how close you are

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fryfrog:

now to see about some data direct listings for the next 3 weeks :p

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|Torg|:

you could use a coat hanger if you got good enough signal :P

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fryfrog:

hehe

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|Torg|:

Im just hoping SD gets signups running soon enough so I dont have to do a jump though my ass time to get everything updated

[02:49:32]

fryfrog:

yeah, the forums said they added 300 beta testers and that went well

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|Torg|:

100

[02:49:41]

fryfrog:

sounds like they'll open before deadline for sure

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fryfrog:

i saw 300

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|Torg|:

and it broke in about 20 mins

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TUplink1:

first 100 had big boo boo

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fryfrog:

but they fixed it

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fryfrog:

and it was mostly TMS problems, not SDs

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TUplink1:

it was with zipcodes :P

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|Torg|:

im trying to figure out when they are adding users

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fryfrog:

i'm trying to figure out *how* these people got into beta :p

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|Torg|:

im thinking it must be like at 4AM my time, becase I check it about 5 times a day

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fryfrog:

"BTW.. the beta is closed and a success. We ended up letting 300 folks in."

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synic:

anyone know why ivtv-tune wouldn't be able to actually change the channel?

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fryfrog:

posted by "rmeden"

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fryfrog:

synic: no offense but, user error? :p

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fryfrog:

when you modprobe the ivtv drivers, do you get any anomolies?

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synic:

well, mythtv can't change it either.

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fryfrog:

are you sure you are *using* it right?

[02:51:18]

fryfrog:

is it configured right in myth?

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|Torg|:

what does dmesg say? /var/log/messages?

[02:51:27]

fryfrog:

are you using the analog tuner, svideo, rca, etc?

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synic:

pvr150

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mfgalizia:

synic, command syntax?

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synic:

ivtv-tune --channel=13 --device /dev/video0

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synic:

it has worked in the past. Not sure what I changed.

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TUplink1:

maybe its not /dev/video0 anymore

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TUplink1:

have had that prob wiht soundcards b4

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TUplink1:

somehow what was dsp3 became dsp7

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** RealWayhigh just finally got his atsc-110 working tonight **

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synic:

[ 331.078717] tuner 1–0061: i2c i/o error: rc == -121 (should be 4)

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synic:

[ 383.172147] wm8775 1–001b: I2C: cannot write 0c0 to register R21

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|Torg|:

synic thats your error, and why it cant talk to it

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synic:

so... can I fix it?

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mfgalizia:

TUplink1, I still get video from /dev/video0 — it works great.

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|Torg|:

yes synic it means the drivers arnt installed correctly

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TUplink1:

hum... ok

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|Torg|:

that or your missig modules to talk toit

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synic:

crap. Why was it working for so long?

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|Torg|:

ddi you update kernels? did you add any more hardware?

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synic:

probably got security updates

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synic:

no new hardware, though

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|Torg|:

what does xawtv -hwscan tell you?

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synic:

gotta install it, one sec.

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|Torg|:

sorry I think it may just be for my bttv card

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synic:

/dev/video0: OK [ -device /dev/video0 ] type : v4l2 name : Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150 flags: capture tuner

[03:02:16]

synic:

looks like it worked anyway.

[03:02:19]

synic:

it found it...

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|Torg|:

when you modprobe the driver, what do you use for an option?

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synic:

I don't. It gets loaded automatically when I boot.

[03:03:07]

|Torg|:

ok what is set to automaticly load?

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synic:

haven't a clue.

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|Torg|:

well that should be your first step in finding out what is wrong

[03:04:17]

synic:

what options should I be using?

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|Torg|:

specicly the error you got was that when it went to tune the card, the i2c bus gave an error saying its not there

[03:04:37]

|Torg|:

in other words what you think you have and what the comptuer has configured are differnt

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synic:

hrmm.

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|Torg|:

missing drivers? missing i2c? wrong defeniotn?

[03:04:58]

|Torg|:

broken card? borken bus?

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synic:

ok... it's a start. You don't think it's the card or my cable, then?

[03:05:48]

|Torg|:

cable no, defintly not (well at least not yet)

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|Torg|:

your computer device (/dev/video0) is not talking to the driver correctly

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|Torg|:

could be missetup (hopefully) could be dead card

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synic:

I dunno.. I'm wondering if it's dead. It was working well for a long time.

[03:07:44]

synic:

I'll fiddle with it a bit more... if I can't get it working, maybe switch pci slots

[03:08:04]

synic:

isn't the TV listing service supposed to end soon?

[03:08:20]

|Torg|:

zap2it? as in DataDirect? yes

[03:08:31]

synic:

no alternatives yet?

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** RealWayhigh wonders where synic has been :) **

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GreyFoxx:

sync: www.schedulesdirect.org

[03:09:01]

RealWayhigh:

www.schedulesdirect.com apparently just went into beta yesterday

[03:09:07]

RealWayhigh:

err .org

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GreyFoxx:

or go find a screenscraper

[03:09:10]

synic:

well then.

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|Torg|:

well its in the topic, what you are looking for is called schedulesdirect (we often abrevate that to SD)

[03:09:37]

|Torg|:

it went into beta before yesterady It was sometime that last weekend

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RealWayhigh:

I may have lost a day.. I'm good like that.

[03:09:54]

synic:

haha, sorry. I've been moving. I didn't have TV at all last week.

[03:10:02]

synic:

or internet.

[03:10:04]

synic:

it was horrible.

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|Torg|:

RealWayhigh im not 100% certain when it happend, I just know I missed it :(

[03:11:44]

dath:

Anyone have any tips for diagnosing prebuffering pauses and "WriteAudio: buffer underrun" issues?

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dath:

I'm thinking I have marginal reception, but I'm not sure how to test that theory.

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RealWayhigh:

I got in on the beta I think

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|Torg|:

if you singed up, you got in

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|Torg|:

when did you do that?

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RealWayhigh:

I was here this past weekend when it was announced

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|Torg|:

did you sign up and pay your $15?

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RealWayhigh:

yeah I got 2 channel lineups. I'll test it out as soon as I get my myth box back up tomorrow.

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RealWayhigh:

torg: I signed up.. having paid the $15 yet.. my status says "Trial Period"

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RealWayhigh:

having=haven't

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|Torg|:

ok when did you do that?

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RealWayhigh:

Sunday morning?

[03:13:39]

RealWayhigh:

something like that

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|Torg|:

must have been, it was only open for about 20 mins

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Tanthrix:

Do you just get one line up per account, or more?

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RealWayhigh:

more

[03:15:27]

RealWayhigh:

I have 2 lineups

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Tanthrix:

Cool.

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|Torg|:

more then one zip code?

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RealWayhigh:

I haven't tried more than 1 zip

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RealWayhigh:

let me see

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RealWayhigh:

yep.. looks like more than 1 zip works also..

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|Torg|:

good, thanks

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RealWayhigh:

no problem

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RealWayhigh:

my only issue right now is the cost.. $5/mo is pretty steep

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RealWayhigh:

that's 500%+ of my cable cost.. :P

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|Torg|:

I live in an area where TMS lineups thinks I get certain channels I dont, and I recivce cetain ones thay think I cant (but I do). So I have to hack togehter two listing sources

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RealWayhigh:

torg: you can choose the channels you want it to show you in your lineup.. don't have to have everything..

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|Torg|:

my situtaton inst unique so maybe they added it for that reason

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RealWayhigh:

<-- wonders how he's going to get the cost past his budget analyst^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hwife

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|Torg|:

tel her its for your porn subscrtion, shell understand :P

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RealWayhigh:

hahaha

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RealWayhigh:

we get porn for free cause some neighbor watches it at least 2x/day

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dath:

rofl

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RealWayhigh:

it's way annoying actually.. cause my daughter's 14 mo old and she'll be walking around with the remote pressing buttons and suddenly I'm like "NOOOOOOOOO!" as the pr0n comes on in some channel like 108–6

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dath:

What service is this that you can get the neighbor's porn?

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RealWayhigh:

I complained to my account rep and he was like 'yeah we know about that.. enjoy your cable'

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|Torg|:

"honey it was on pron so I could test the system, no I wasnt watching it really"

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RealWayhigh:

dath: comcast doesn't encrypt ondemand.. they're all clear signals with qam256

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RealWayhigh:

so I complained about it.. and they sent me a thing in the mail to get free cable

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dath:

Oh, and they give you some kind of shared connection with a neighbor?

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|Torg|:

comcast where you live does not, you mean

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dath:

Sorry, I don't have cable and haven't in more than 10 years. . . I don't know how this fancy stuff works;->

[03:23:28]

RealWayhigh:

torg: yeah.. comcast where I live does not..

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RealWayhigh:

dath: I have OTA HDTV as well when I need a real sharp looking picture :)

[03:23:57]

RealWayhigh:

the comcast HD is just mediocre in my opinion

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|Torg|:

dath it sorta depends on where you live, who origioanly owned the cable, etc

[03:24:27]

|Torg|:

comcast used to encrypt my local stations, its one of the reason I droppped them

[03:24:34]

dath:

Yeah, I'm fighting with audio cutout right now with my OTA ATSC. . . I think it's my reception, but I have a honkin' big 32 element antenna I just put up in my attic and I could spit on the tv towers. . .

[03:25:09]

|Torg|:

dath do you have the dvb tools?

[03:25:43]

dath:

Yeah, I think I have them installed, is there something there that can help me?

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|Torg|:

yes azap

[03:25:49]

RealWayhigh:

dath: are you sure you're not pulling too much signal?

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|Torg|:

first you need a channel lineup for it tho, do you ahve that?

[03:26:04]

dath:

Too much signal?

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RealWayhigh:

sometimes you can pull too much signal and cause problems as well

[03:26:41]

|Torg|:

unless he lives 5 miles or less from the tower or using a drop amp I doubt the signal is too strong

[03:26:44]

RealWayhigh:

yeah.. it's the craziest thing.. I have one channel I had to get a umm.. damn I forget the name of it.. it's a little device from radio shack that lowers the gain or something

[03:26:49]

dath:

I was so fed up with the rabbit ears that I just went and got a big sucker since all of the "HDTV" marketed antennas are way overpriced. . .

[03:27:14]

RealWayhigh:

I use a 91XG with a 777 and I got a couple of stations too strong at first

[03:27:17]

|Torg|:

its VHF and UHF any antenna will work

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dath:

|Torg|: Exactly. . . Is there something in dvb-utils that may help, is that why you asked?

[03:27:45]

|Torg|:

yes azap

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|Torg|:

mkdir ~/.azap

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|Torg|:

dvbscan `locate ATSC` > ~/.azap/channels.conf

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|Torg|:

let it run

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|Torg|:

then azap one of the channels

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|Torg|:

if you have more then one adapter use -a to diferntiate between them

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dath:

That's a nice command line there:->

[03:30:59]

|Torg|:

belive me, ive done that so many times I damn near have it memorized

[03:31:21]

|Torg|:

if you have a directional antenna you can use azap to test signal strength and lock to aim it

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dath:

I just like the clever `locate ATSC`, though that's a bit dangerous if your system has other files with that name;->

[03:31:58]

|Torg|:

oh yea, I was just copying it out of my histry file :)

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dath:

I'm runnins 'scan' right now, I ran it once before, but didn't do anything with the output other than marvel at it;->

[03:32:59]

|Torg|:

when its done you should have a list of channels. If you have channels that lok like [0001] then ther either encrypted or you have magional signal on them

[03:33:15]

|Torg|:

and yes, there is such a thing as encrypted ATSC. I have it here

[03:33:32]

dath:

Wow, I didn't know that anyone was doing encrypted ATSC. . .

[03:33:53]

|Torg|:

its not what you think it is tho :P

[03:34:05]

dath:

I'm totally new to all of this. . . My only saving grace is that I'm a long time Linux user (since 1.2 days). . .

[03:34:33]

|Torg|:

then its not too diffcult to setup

[03:34:57]

|Torg|:

most of the problems I see are from users who have drivers and hardware isues and dont realise to look at thinks like dmesg to tell

[03:35:05]

dath:

Nope, I'm just tired of the little fiddly bits as I had no HD setup before, so it was hard to locate my problems. . .

[03:35:17]

|Torg|:

hell 90% of the time I simply take what they post from there logs and go goole it :)

[03:35:38]

dath:

That's how I solve 90% of my problems these days. . . Google is a wonderful tool;->

[03:36:04]

dath:

I've just started hanging out here for the last few days as my problems don't seem easily googlable. . . Too vague to google. . .

[03:36:28]

|Torg|:

when it works it should give you output liek this

[03:36:29]

|Torg|:

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|Torg|:

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dath:

Well, I figured out this evening that my cutout seemed related to reception, before I thought it must be something else since the video seemed to stay fine. . . Seems like mainly an audio issue. . .

[03:36:43]

|Torg|:

let it run a few lines first to be sure the tuner can lock in

[03:37:12]

|Torg|:

youll see allot of ffmepg errors for ATSC as well

[03:37:26]

dath:

Yeah, it's still scanning. . .

[03:38:00]

dath:

So far it doesn't seem to have found anything that Myth didn't. . .

[03:38:25]

|Torg|:

the parts of those lines that are important is status (1f means locked and tuned in), signal (9393 is 93/FF signal) and snr

[03:38:41]

|Torg|:

the FE_HAS_LOCK will show up if its working otherwise you may see some errors

[03:39:20]

|Torg|:

unless you have really marjoal signal where it sometimes works and sometimes dosnt you shoudlnt find anyting more then myth did

[03:39:35]

dath:

I suspect they will look fine since I get pretty good reception for a little while, then it chops a bit, then it's good. . .

[03:40:14]

|Torg|:

there are a few chanels I have that recetion comes and goes, azap is good for determing those kinds of probelms

[03:40:18]

dath:

Again, it seems to be the audio that is a problem though. . . That seemed strange to me, but maybe myth has a harder time filling that in. . .

[03:40:35]

|Torg|:

see that unc 00000039 part?

[03:40:41]

dath:

yeah

[03:40:51]

|Torg|:

thats bad, well not in this case its just the first line, but if you see it later on, its bad

[03:40:56]

|Torg|:

its uncorected errors

[03:41:11]

|Torg|:

ber is bad too, but my card dosnt report that at all

[03:42:02]

|Torg|:

some cards report unc and ber, some dont. Depends on hardware

[03:42:22]

dath:

I'm getting anxious for it to finish scanning now:->

[03:42:35]

|Torg|:

oh the one thing to be patient with is scanning

[03:42:54]

|Torg|:

if you think this is hard try a dvb-s card :P

[03:43:01]

dath:

I know, I've done it *several* times in the last couple of days while trying to troubleshoot issues. . . But that was all inside myth.

[03:43:15]

dath:

dvb-s?

[03:43:22]

|Torg|:

satelite cards

[03:43:29]

dath:

ahh;-> Sweet, it just finished

[03:43:43]

dath:

25 channels

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|Torg|:

dvb-s for sat, dvb-c for cable (like the qam256 one)

[03:44:14]

|Torg|:

there are dvb-t cards, like the ATSC card but not the same thing. Europe uses those for the same thing we use ATSC

[03:45:00]

|Torg|:

ok you should now have a chanels.conf file, vi it, make sure all the chanels are there you want (I have to edit mine my stations like to put in non typtable chars, god only knows why)

[03:45:07]

|Torg|:

then azap <channel>

[03:45:42]

dath:

I'm running it right now on KPDX-DT: I think that's my worst station. ..

[03:46:16]

dath:

oh, or is it kptv, crap, I don't remember, they swapped. . . Doh, it doesn't seem to list channel numbers either?

[03:46:33]

|Torg|:

it does its part of that line entry

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|Torg|:

dont be surpised if they call them selved one thing and brodcast on another too

[03:47:07]

|Torg|:

channel id and channel number are not necessarily the same thing

[03:47:41]

dath:

So what channel would you call this: KOPB-HD:551028615:8VSB:49:52:3

[03:47:51]

dath:

That is normally 10_1 I believe. . .

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|Torg|:

its label is KOPB-HD, on frequency 551028615, moulation 8VSB, PID 49:52 and I forget waht the last one is

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|Torg|:

49

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|Torg|:

erro 49:52 is standard for ATSC broadcasts

[03:49:18]

dath:

So how does one translate that to 10_1? I assume they must just identify them like that as part of the signal?

[03:49:32]

|Torg|:

its in the signal itself, part of the NIT

[03:49:42]

|Torg|:

10 is the channel they call themslevs

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|Torg|:

usualy _1 menas the first channel of that particualr stream

[03:50:02]

dath:

Any of the dvb-utils able to grab that?

[03:50:08]

|Torg|:

yes

[03:50:20]

dath:

Huh, both stations don't seem to have any UNC issues past the first little bit, once they lock they seem fine

[03:50:26]

|Torg|:

dvbsnoop and dvbtraffic to be specifc

[03:50:47]

|Torg|:

you would tune a channel and add -r then in anther window run one of those

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dath:

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|Torg|:

reasonlay hell, I wish I could get that good :)

[03:51:21]

|Torg|:

signal fe10 | snr e47e

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dath:

Yeah, well the audio on that station is crap I tell you, but it's mostly okay on others. . . ???

[03:51:34]

|Torg|:

you have about 98% signal strenth and 90% SNR

[03:51:47]

|Torg|:

did you notice what I posted, that is one of my best channels, and even with a drop amp

[03:52:02]

|Torg|:

audio is part of the stream

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|Torg|:

if its crap I would tend to think its more the staion then you, unless you are haing cpu issues

[03:52:25]

|Torg|:

when you say its crap what do you mean?

[03:52:56]

dath:

Well, it cuts out constantly and I see these kinds of things in my frontend log: 2007-08–21 20:28:52.783 NVP: prebuffering pause

[03:53:28]

dath:

And much more infrequently: WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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|Torg|:

one box for FE and BE?

[03:53:45]

dath:

Yes.

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dath:

It is usually around 50–60% cpu

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|Torg|:

HDTV? Ill assume so since your using atsc

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|Torg|:

what kind of card?

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|Torg|:

its posible your saturating your pci bus too

[03:54:24]

dath:

Yes, though this station isn't HD and I have an HD station that seems to perform much better (hardly any audio issues).

[03:54:41]

dath:

It's a saa7134_dvb (kworld atsc 115)

[03:54:44]

|Torg|:

you will also see SD pillar boxed into HD frames

[03:54:49]

|Torg|:

its looks terrible

[03:55:07]

|Torg|:

your card is takign the stream and dumping it to the PCI bus

[03:55:11]

dath:

Yeah, I have noticed that. . .

[03:55:25]

|Torg|:

the computer sets of a fifo buffer and dupts it to disk, across the PCI bus

[03:55:29]

dath:

Right, but why on earth would it be worse on one channel than other.

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|Torg|:

you then pay video across a seperate bus and audio down, you guess it, that same PCI bus

[03:56:05]

|Torg|:

its posible you over run your bus, I do with two atsc cards gowing, and is why I have a serpate frontend

[03:56:28]

|Torg|:

if its bas on one chanel and not antoher I would tend to think its signal related

[03:56:36]

dath:

I only have one atsc card. . .

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|Torg|:

im not suprised anymore of what the brdcasters do

[03:57:07]

dath:

I am wondering if my card is just not reporting signal strength correctly. . .

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|Torg|:

looks like it is, why do you suspect it?

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kash:

fifo = file in, file out ?

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dath:

Or signal to noise, it seems the same on nearly all channels, even when I had rabbit ears and some channels were clearly much worse. . .

[03:57:39]

dath:

first in first out

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|Torg|:

yes kash, why?

[03:57:42]

kash:

or first in first out

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kash:

just wondering.

[03:58:30]

dath:

|Torg|: It isn't possible to have too strong a signal like was suggested by someone earlier, is it? That just doesn't make sense to me.

[03:58:35]

|Torg|:

a pci dvb card essentialy takes the mpeg from the stream and dumps it stright to the PCI bus (yuou get it as /dev/dev/adapter0/)

[03:58:52]

|Torg|:

then a program, like myth loads it intoa file buffer and writes to to disk

[03:59:15]

|Torg|:

the kenenl created a buffer for that disk (/dev/hda for example) and writes it to the device

[03:59:38]

|Torg|:

since most the x86 comptuer I see only have one bus, all that data across it is shared

[04:00:04]

|Torg|:

yes dath, IF You amplify it, and if your card has a faulty AGC

[04:00:11]

|Torg|:

but mostly , no

[04:00:12]

dath:

Yeah, but the data rate is relatively small in this case compared to what the PCI bus can handle. . .

[04:00:22]

dath:

I don't have any kind of amplifier in place. . .

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|Torg|:

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|Torg|:

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|Torg|:

thats from my amp

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|Torg|:

I dont really have pure signal as my card thinks :P

[04:01:05]

dath:

I just don't understand why one channel would show the symptoms much worse than another if it isn't somehow tuning related.

[04:01:29]

|Torg|:

one channel, or one station is broadcast from a diffner tower

[04:01:36]

|Torg|:

different hardware

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|Torg|:

DIFFERNT ENGINEERS

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|Torg|:

could be allot of things, I tend to blame the enginners

[04:02:05]

dath:

Yeah, I'm just saying, those numbers I posted were for my horrible channel. . .

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|Torg|:

esp when I see them flip[ flop HD/SD int eh middle of a show a few times a night

[04:02:25]

|Torg|:

the numbers you posted are better then good, there great

[04:02:32]

dath:

I'm thinking of climbing into the attic and pointing my antenna in the opposite direction;->

[04:02:43]

|Torg|:

is it irectional?

[04:02:47]

dath:

Yes.

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|Torg|:

run azap on a laptop and go turn it then :)

[04:03:00]

ShockValue:

yeah, it swings both ways

[04:03:15]

dath:

Shoot, that's a damn good idea.

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|Torg|:

I would highly suggest you get a seperate FE for HD as well

[04:04:00]

dath:

FE?

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|Torg|:

Front End

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dath:

oh:->

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|Torg|:

BE and FE

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dath:

Yeah, sorry

[04:04:35]

dath:

I know, I know, but I'm just trying to keep to a fairly tight budget here;->

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|Torg|:

HD, at least on my end tends to spike my CPU as well

[04:05:17]

jgor:

where do I enable the "alternate epg", with the livetv preview in the upper right?

[04:05:17]

dath:

Oh wonderful, my laptop wireless card seems to be dead. . . Doh!

[04:05:24]

|Torg|:

most of the time both cores run about 40% but I have seen them both run to 99%

[04:05:36]

|Torg|:

really long cat5?

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dath:

I'm running xvmc with a single core. . .

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|Torg|:

and you get HD, remarkable

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|Torg|:

do you deinterlace it too?

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dath:

Yeah, and I'm downconverting it to my normal non-hd tv as well;->

[04:06:41]

|Torg|:

are you SURE it only takes 50% of your CPU

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|Torg|:

that or you have a 5GHZ processor

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kash:

i use a PS3 to convert video

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kash:

fuck that

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dath:

50–60%, sometimes as much as 65%

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kash:

15 minutes to convert 1080p to 720x480

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kash:

and that's at 40% CPU :p

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dath:

I have a athlon 64 3500

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|Torg|:

thats what my BE is :)

[04:07:44]

kash:

dath, i've got an athlon 64 x2 6000+ and it uses all of one core

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kash:

you're lying

[04:07:59]

DrJack:

YES IT IS LYING

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kash:

a core 2 duo does quite nicely when watching HD however

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|Torg|:

I have a P4 3Ghz for my FE and it takes just about half of both core, with xvmc and without deinterlacing to play HD 720P streams

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dath:

kash, you must not be using xvmc?

[04:09:11]

kash:

i am

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kash:

and btw, xvmc has nothing to do with conversion

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dath:

I'm just talking about watching live, not doing any conversion?

[04:10:04]

kash:

how are you "downconverting" it for your regular TV without converting?

[04:10:21]

dath:

I just meant resolution wise. . .

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dath:

Sorry for the confusion!

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kash:

that's still conversion

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|Torg|:

hes playing it with a fixed resoltuion out on X

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kash:

ah

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dath:

Yeah.

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|Torg|:

myth is doing it

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kash:

then yes you can do 40% CPU like that

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kash:

:)

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dath:

It seriously works just fine;->

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kash:

x264 fucking blows.. that's why it has such high CPU

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|Torg|:

this is x262 not 264

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kash:

where?

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|Torg|:

ATSC

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kash:

oh

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kash:

x262 sucks too :p

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|Torg|:

no kidding, really :P

[04:12:30]

kash:

all of the ITL-U codecs suck balls

[04:12:34]

kash:

except for h.263

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kash:

er i mean ITU-T

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jgor:

does anyone know how to switch to the alternate program guide for mythfrontend?

[04:13:48]

kash:

This machine's load average:

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kash:

* 1 Minute: 8.16

[04:13:48]

kash:

* 5 Minutes: 7.37

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kash:

* 15 Minutes: 6.12

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kash:

shitty pentium 4 :(

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dath:

wish me luck, laptop and I are traveling to the attic:->

[04:14:06]

|Torg|:

kash what in the hell are you doing on it?

[04:14:07]

kash:

have fun

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kash:

|Torg|: recompiling php, apache, and converting 1080p video

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kash:

i'm just going to shut down the backend though and let the other stuff finish first

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|Torg|:

well no wonder :P

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kash:

(it uses lamegrabbers)

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kash:

i need to get some cheap PVR-150 cards

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kash:

duno where though :/

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|Torg|:

23:16:54 up 1 day, 3:36, 3 users, load average: 1.64, 1.51, 0.17

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|Torg|:

thats my P4 playing a 720P recorded video

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kash:

23:16:56 up 23:51, 2 users, load average: 4.79, 6.49, 6.07

[04:18:09]

kash:

anyone recommend a pvr-350?

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|Torg|:

Ive been comtiplating changing the FE p4 for my salve BE a X2 3800

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|Torg|:

I dunno if it will be any better

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kash:

which p4 is it

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|Torg|:

how can I tell?

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kash:

and don't bother with the 3800

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kash:

the 4200 is just as cheap now and better

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kash:

you can't tell without looking at the chip

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|Torg|:

hehe they are recycled desktops :P

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|Torg|:

its a pentium D

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|Torg|:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags

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kash:

which one

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kash:

805?

[04:21:32]

kash:

what about it..?

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|Torg|:

hell im not opening up the cae and taking off the fan just to look :P

[04:23:01]

|Torg|:

its 3ghz with 1G cache

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|Torg|:

a P4 D 830 according to Intel

[04:25:40]

defaultro:

guys, any new cool dark themes you know?

[04:25:43]

|Torg|:

7702 mythtv 15 0 562m 398m 156m S 97 39.4 8:23.93 mythfrontend

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|Torg|:

7603 root 16 0 176m 156m 113m S 39 15.5 3:26.26 Xorg

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|Torg|:

thats typical spiking for the CPU

[04:26:10]

|Torg|:

dark themes?

[04:26:17]

defaultro:

i mean, with dark colors

[04:26:34]

defaultro:

juski's theme is no longer available

[04:26:39]

defaultro:

project grayhem

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|Torg|:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/JVC_HD_61Z575A

[04:26:51]

|Torg|:

thats an older version of bluetoobe

[04:27:05]

|Torg|:

adn juski's theme is availbel its on svn

[04:27:11]

defaultro:

oh

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|Torg|:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/themes/blootube-wide/

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defaultro:

ii don't like bootube

[04:28:07]

defaultro:

it's light colored

[04:28:14]

defaultro:

i want similar to the grayhem

[04:28:19]

|Torg|:

then go gimp the pngs :P

[04:28:33]

defaultro:

but i did an svn of myththemes but didn't see grayhem

[04:28:36]

|Torg|:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/themes/ProjectGrayhem-wide/

[04:28:41]

kash:

|Torg|: the 4200 would be better than the 830

[04:28:43]

kash:

for sure.

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|Torg|:

not myththems, themes

[04:29:06]

|Torg|:

I dont have a 4200 kash, or I would use it

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defaultro:

how do I pull that?

[04:29:43]

|Torg|:

I have that p4, an X2 3800 and an athlon-xp 1500

[04:29:52]

|Torg|:

pull what? the theme?

[04:29:54]

defaultro:

yes

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|Torg|:

svn co <url>

[04:30:01]

defaultro:

ah :D

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dath:

Huh, couldn't improve my signal any by moving the antenna around. . . The opposite direction gave me lots of errors and I kept losing lock. . .

[04:32:08]

defaultro:

Torg, are you able to play 2 HD recordings on your X2 3800 at the same time?

[04:32:11]

|Torg|:

then put it back :P

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kash:

defaultro: my 4200 can.

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|Torg|:

defaultro I dont play HD on my 3800 at all

[04:32:29]

kash:

so can my 6000+ obviously

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|Torg|:

I was saying I was thiking of swithcing the 3800 for the P4

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dath:

I did, I ended up with it nearly exactly where I originally put it. . . I moved it a bit, but that was only to make me feel like I did something useful while I was up there;->

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defaultro:

kash, do you notice pausing when you are playing 2 HD recordings?

[04:33:01]

kash:

no

[04:33:02]

defaultro:

kash, I actually would like to buy the 6000

[04:33:07]

kash:

mplayer has no pausing

[04:33:09]

kash:

VLC does

[04:33:22]

defaultro:

so just to confirm, 2 HD playback at the same time

[04:33:30]

kash:

defaultro: don't bother with the 6000+ right now

[04:33:34]

defaultro:

why?

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kash:

wait for their quad core offerings

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|Torg|:

how are you going to play 2 hd streams at once anyway?

[04:33:44]

defaultro:

will it be soon?

[04:33:45]

kash:

they're much better and work on the same motherboard

[04:33:45]

kash:

;)

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kash:

Q4

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defaultro:

wow :)

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defaultro:

Torg, I will be using mplayer

[04:34:10]

kash:

of 1009

[04:34:11]

kash:

er

[04:34:12]

kash:

2009

[04:34:18]

kash:

just kidding :)

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kash:

Q1 of 2008

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defaultro:

actually, I will be using vlc and wall feature

[04:34:51]

defaultro:

i need to divide cut the video like 60% then overlap them

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|Torg|:

I dont use mplayer nor vlc, other then to test with

[04:35:04]

defaultro:

because i will be feeding them to 2 CRT projector

[04:35:19]

defaultro:

so hopefully, I will get one crt pj this year

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|Torg|:

what are you setting up with 2 projectors?

[04:35:29]

defaultro:

it's called blending

[04:35:38]

kash:

by HD to you mean 1080p or 720p?

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defaultro:

yes

[04:35:47]

defaultro:

H.264

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kash:

err.. which

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defaultro:

1080p

[04:36:01]

kash:

ok

[04:36:03]

kash:

no

[04:36:04]

defaultro:

H.264 encoding

[04:36:07]

kash:

only one per core

[04:36:14]

kash:

and 264 sucks, why the fuck do people still use it

[04:36:22]

defaultro:

huh?

[04:36:33]

defaultro:

I can play 264 without any issues on my 3000+

[04:36:38]

kash:

yeah

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defaultro:

yep

[04:36:44]

kash:

but that doesn't mean it doesn't suck

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defaultro:

in what way, i don't get you

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kash:

it's too CPU intensive

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defaultro:

but you have dual

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kash:

so?

[04:37:46]

kash:

x264 isn't multithreaded

[04:37:48]

kash:

it doesn't matter

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defaultro:

it's an encoding

[04:37:55]

defaultro:

:)

[04:38:01]

kash:

:|

[04:38:03]

defaultro:

it's not a process

[04:38:10]

kash:

well i'm going to go try out my new bluray drive

[04:38:12]

kash:

with TMNT

[04:38:14]

kash:

:)

[04:38:16]

defaultro:

TMNT?

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|Torg|:

I think kash is talking about the softwware player x264

[04:38:25]

defaultro:

lol

[04:38:29]

kash:

teenage mutant ninja turtles

[04:38:36]

defaultro:

i'm using mplayer to play H.264 encoding

[04:38:48]

kash:

yes that's software, defaultro

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kash:

slow

[04:38:52]

defaultro:

i haven't tried x264

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defaultro:

LOL

[04:39:03]

|Torg|:

x264 is for encoding I thought tho

[04:39:10]

defaultro:

trash it then then use mplayer with h.264 library compiled

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kash:

it's decoding too..

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defaultro:

x264 is the tool too

[04:39:26]

kash:

h.264 uses x264 unless you pay for the codec

[04:39:27]

defaultro:

H.264 is encoding

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Tanthrix:

x264 == codec, as is h. 264

[04:39:37]

defaultro:

codec

[04:39:39]

Tanthrix:

Both have tools for encoding and decoding.

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defaultro:

that's the correct ter,

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kash:

you two

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defaultro:

m

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kash:

are not going to get it

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dath:

Well, thanks |Torg|, I think I'm going to go try to do something "useful" since I'm at my wit's end yet again here;-> Maybe it will come to me, either that or that next 512MB DIMM I ordered will get here and fix all of my problems;->

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kash:

so nevermind.

[04:40:11]

defaultro:

so yeah, I compiled my mplayer with 264 support. Playback is awesome on my Athlon 64 3000

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|Torg|:

good luck dath, if I were you id run something like sar to get a better ida of my performance overall

[04:40:41]

dath:

Yeah, I was using vmstat, and iostat yesterday;->

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|Torg|:

wel that too :)

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defaultro:

I even downloaded a modified Elephant Dream which was reencoded by someone from doom9. My system still played it well but cpu went up to 93%

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dath:

night all

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defaultro:

the normal Elephant's Dream which is avi is a 1080p but my cpu only consumes 35% when played by mplayer

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defaultro:

you got to download that cartoon guys, it's cool

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Tanthrix:

kash: And, there exists multi-threaded x264/h264 decoders. coreavc is one, and there is one for ffmpeg in development

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defaultro:

it's free too

[04:42:24]

defaultro:

i'm using libvacodec something

[04:42:34]

defaultro:

which is being used by ffmpeg. Am I correct?

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Tanthrix:

Aye

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defaultro:

here you go folks, http://orange.blender.org/download

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|Torg|:

lib av codec?

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defaultro:

that's the link to download the 1080p of Elephant's dream

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defaultro:

the first link to avi is dead, use this, http://ed.plonkmedia.org/Elephants_Dream_HD.avi

[04:44:33]

Tanthrix:

x264/h264 is not created equally – different levels of compression and bitrates can make it easier or harder to decode

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defaultro:

k

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Tanthrix:

I don't think there exists a PC that can handle BBC TS h264 streams in 1080p without hardware assistance

[04:45:07]

defaultro:

once I get a ps3, I will backup my bluray movies

[04:45:32]

defaultro:

send me one BBC recording even just for 3 mins

[04:45:35]

defaultro:

I will try playing it

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|Torg|:

Tanthrix send em the currnet versions of torchwood and ill test it for you :)

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Tanthrix:

Someone had a link a while back

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Tanthrix:

http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/force.php?file=./bbc.hd.ts

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Tanthrix:

Trusty logs.

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defaultro:

i don't think we can download that from U.S.

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defaultro:

I will try it though

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|Torg|:

yes its working for me

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defaultro:

anyways, here is a modified Elephant's dream without audio. It was reencoded to meet HDDVD specs. http://tjhsst.edu/~jgarrett/6000_3.h264

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defaultro:

i will try it now

[04:48:15]

defaultro:

yes, it's working

[04:48:53]

defaultro:

6000_3.h264 is about 450+ meg. My cpu went up to 93%, wOAH! :)

[04:49:15]

defaultro:

23:50:45 (594 KB/s) – `bbc.hd.ts' saved [19963908/19963908]

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defaultro:

playing it now

[04:50:39]

|Torg|:

vlc plays the first 3rd then stops

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defaultro:

looks like it's a bad recording

[04:50:55]

defaultro:

it was the fight

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defaultro:

but that was very quick

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defaultro:

the bbs.ts has missing frames

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|Torg|:

looks liek some litle girl and then stop in the middle

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|Torg|:

unless that is a real ts

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defaultro:

don't know but there are so many lost packets on that file

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Aval0n-:

uhg

[04:52:14]

defaultro:

i couldn't remember the title of that movie

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Aval0n-:

guys I could use some advice, I've been paying with my myth settings trying to make my pixely analog cable look better

[04:52:25]

Aval0n-:

now it looks like someone is applying a watercolor filter to it

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defaultro:

weak signal aval0n

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Aval0n-:

I have tried settings the transcoder and recording profile to high quality

[04:52:43]

Aval0n-:

nod ice

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Aval0n-:

no dice

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defaultro:

when you said water color effect

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Aval0n-:

I'm using kernel mode

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defaultro:

Tanthrix, are you there?

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Aval0n-:

defaultro it looks perfect hooked straight to the TV

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Aval0n-:

it did look better but pixely

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Aval0n-:

now it looks horrible

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defaultro:

even though it's super tight, but if signal being sent to you is bad

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Aval0n-:

but it looks fine to the TV...

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Aval0n-:

=/

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defaultro:

not a good tuner?

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TUplink_:

errrr.... what a drag... i instaled the new svn... and not i have no sound from the tuner... even with an extranal tv program

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Aval0n-:

pvr 150

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Aval0n-:

can you recommend some settings

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Aval0n-:

bitrate and whatnot

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Aval0n-:

deinterlace filter

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defaultro:

i don't have 150

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defaultro:

i use the analog chip from my dvico fusion hdtv lite 5 card

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Aval0n-:

a bt card?

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defaultro:

yes

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Aval0n-:

works good though?

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defaultro:

i'm very happy

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Tanthrix:

Framegrabbers == garbage.

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Aval0n-:

ciik

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defaultro:

i just can't record hd and analog at the same time. Digital wins when both starts recording

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Aval0n-:

darn thing

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defaultro:

what do you mean Tanthrix?

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defaultro:

off topic, when the seller doesn't respond to you, could it be a scam?

[04:57:45]

defaultro:

oops. off topic, when the ebay seller doesn't respond to you, could it be a scam?

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defaultro:

I emailed him 3 times to ask about the product but got no response

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|Torg|:

could be a overloaded seller

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defaultro:

he only sells 20 items with 5 points only

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defaultro:

100% but no feedback from buyers

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TUplink_:

ph... this is BS

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Tanthrix:

defaultro: I'm just prejudiced against frame grabbers since they have a bad reputation ;)

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defaultro:

ok

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Tanthrix:

Got a link to the ebay guy in question?

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . T&ih=007

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defaultro:

I asked him about that item for 1 week and never got a response

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defaultro:

his handle is eternal-lamp

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defaultro:

so what are the things I should be careful of in ebay? It's just recently that i've been buying from it

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Tanthrix:

People with no a little feedback, of course.

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Tanthrix:

And people who have good feedback, but got it all very recently buying little, cheap things

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defaultro:

gotcha

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defaultro:

but was wondering why he is not responding.,,maybe on vacation

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Tanthrix:

That guy would make me a little weary

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Tanthrix:

Considering he has only sold one thing

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defaultro:

ok

[05:02:53]

defaultro:

does scamming still happen in ebay this days?

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Tanthrix:

And that he's not responding – also a bad sign.

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defaultro:

ok

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Tanthrix:

Yes, though if you're careful generally it's pretty safe.

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defaultro:

what do you do to be safer?

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defaultro:

i only know emailing the seller

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defaultro:

if he responds, i consider him true

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Tanthrix:

Mainly I just follow the advice I've already given – look for people with good feedback who have been around for a while

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

that's what I do too

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Tanthrix:

And also, make sure before bidding you read the entire page they have up, and check shipping costs.

[05:04:23]

defaultro:

power seller with at least 99%

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Tanthrix:

Lots of people sell cheap things with like $15–30 shipping

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defaultro:

k

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Tanthrix:

Or really cheap buy it nows to entice you with huge shipping costs

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defaultro:

yeah like the tool I won last week

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defaultro:

shipping was $20

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defaultro:

but I still got it because original price was $120+ something

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defaultro:

I won it for $14

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defaultro:

so total of $34

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defaultro:

oh, my friends told me about Fallen. What channel is it?

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TUplink_:

ERRRRR this is way mesed up

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TUplink_:

MYTH WAS WORKING b4 i instaled the new svn.... no i have no sound on live tv... if i use tvtime i dont have sound either

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defaultro:

found it, http://a51.abcfamily.go.com/movies/fallen/fallen/index.html

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defaultro:

shutdown myth and run tvtime

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defaultro:

maybe, it's not ondemand

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TUplink_:

i did it loads the vid... it did somthing to the mixer

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TUplink_:

i know the sound is still coming out of the tuner

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defaultro:

svn upgrade doesn't have something to do with audio :)

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TUplink_:

its a stupid one with the audio loop

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TUplink_:

well i did a make make install....

[05:08:36]

TUplink_:

stoped backend then did the make install

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TUplink_:

the started backend....

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TUplink_:

then tryed to watch live... and no sound

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TUplink_:

didnt do anything else

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TUplink_:

any way to restor the default mixer settings?

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defaultro:

oh, guys, there is a monthly payment for schedulesdirect?

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TUplink_:

yup

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TUplink_:

PAYPAL

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defaultro:

ouch

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defaultro:

looks like I will have to shutdown mythtv for good

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defaultro:

:(

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defaultro:

I will just rent a box from comcast which is just $5/month

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jgor:

can anyone tell me how i can get the livetv preview to show up in my program guide?

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Aval0n-:

guy what do you have your analog bitrates set to?

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Aval0n-:

guys*

[05:35:29]

Aval0n-:

my tv looks pretty good at 15000

[05:35:36]

Aval0n-:

is that wayyy to high?

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** Aval0n- hears the crickets chirp **

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jgor:

hmm

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jgor:

you don't happen to use a PVR-350 do you?

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Dagmar:

We don't screw with the defaults.

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Tanthrix:

Aval0n-: Unecessarely high for a PVR-150. Past 6–8 I doubt you'll see any difference

[05:40:29]

Tanthrix:

Maybe even less.

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Dagmar:

Oh let him rice it up until the machine is unusable

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kash:

LOL

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kash:

be nice :p

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Dagmar:

kash: This has basically been the theme for the last few days now

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defaultro:

this is scary, http://www.unhinderedliving.com/microwave.html

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Dagmar:

If you keep digging on that site, I'm sure you'll find some nice diagrams for tinfoil hats.

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defaultro:

what are they?

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Dagmar:

Nutjobs.

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Dagmar:

"The Center for Unhindered Living" appears to be about being unhindered by *reality*

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defaultro:

k

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Aval0n-:

dropped it to 3000

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Aval0n-:

woah

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Aval0n-:

4000 looks the same as 15000 did

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Aval0n-:

is that about normal?

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Tanthrix:

Yes.

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Aval0n-:

all my chans look good accept 45

[06:01:06]

Aval0n-:

I get these weird diaganal lines that wave through it

[06:01:06]

Tanthrix:

More bitrate != magical quality increase

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Aval0n-:

I know analog cable isn't going to look perfect

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Aval0n-:

specially when I'm running on a plasma at 1280x720

[06:01:56]

Aval0n-:

sould I be setting the pixel size to 720x480

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Aval0n-:

or leave it at 480/480

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Aval0n-:

Bob is by far the best quality filter for m

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Aval0n-:

me*

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Dagmar:

kash: See what I mean

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Aval0n-:

dagmar about what

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Aval0n-:

I guess no channel is compelte without it's token scrooge :)

[06:03:46]

Tanthrix:

We've got seven.

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Aval0n-:

lol

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Aval0n-:

and a bad speller to boot now.

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Aval0n-:

or typer I should say

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Dagmar:

Aval0n-: It's a shame we can't have channels without the token ricers

[06:04:41]

Aval0n-:

i'm not a ricer

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Aval0n-:

I'm a noob

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Dagmar:

You could always try, you know, researching these things

[06:04:50]

Aval0n-:

trying to make my shitty picture quality look good

[06:04:56]

Aval0n-:

i've never played with mythtv before

[06:04:59]

Dagmar:

...instead of changing settings wildly and/or asking other people to do your thinking for you

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Aval0n-:

I'm sure you've NEVER had to go to other about things you've had less experience with dagmar

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Dagmar:

Mouthy ricers, too.

[06:05:45]

Dagmar:

Aval0n-: I actually do my research

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Aval0n-:

I'm the mouthy one?

[06:06:04]

Dagmar:

Yes, you are.

[06:06:21]

Aval0n-:

omg dagmar, you can't live a day on this channel without getting into some kind of negative conversation with someone can you?

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Dagmar:

I'm saying flat out you'd have less trouble if you'd freaking use a search engine to find out some things before you go changing them, and you're sitting there insulting me

[06:06:36]

Aval0n-:

you must live a very bitter and lonely life

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Dagmar:

...and you must spend most of your time completely fucking lost.

[06:07:02]

Aval0n-:

i spend most of my time with mythtv lost

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Aval0n-:

it's new to me

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Dagmar:

Why the hell would you DOUBLE the bit rate for the default high quality profilee?

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Aval0n-:

I did it in live TV

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Dagmar:

Do you think the myth developers would be so stupid as to name something that and give it only half the resolution it needs?

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Aval0n-:

not knowing that the other options were all for the same thing

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Aval0n-:

I found that out through playing with it

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** Tanthrix wonders where he has seen this before.. **

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Dagmar:

Of course you didn't know what any of it was for... You've made no attempt to look online and find out.

[06:08:11]

Aval0n-:

you're wrong there

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Aval0n-:

there are just as many clueless people online

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Aval0n-:

is this not a user support channel?

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Dagmar:

It is.

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Aval0n-:

so drop it

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Aval0n-:

and I will to

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Dagmar:

It's not a substitute for using a search engine, reading documentation, or thinking.

[06:09:09]

Aval0n-:

no it's #comeandbeflamedbydagmar

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Aval0n-:

FFS dagmar I think you'll be better served on my ignore list

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Dagmar:

Like I care what you think. You're barely literate.

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Aval0n-:

that should be a bit more peaceful

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Aval0n-:

I'm sure the rest of the users in the channel just love reading that type of negative garbage

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Dagmar:

The rest of the users are smarter than you.

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defaultro:

hey folks, I just added a new channel in zap2it. What parameter should I use with mythfilldatabase so that it pulls it? I ran it without parameters and it did not pull it

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Tanthrix:

--refresh-all-channels or some such thing. Check the man page, it's in there

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

Force a refresh today or two days (or every day) from now,

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defaultro:

to catch the latest changes

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Dagmar:

I was about to suggest just doing mythfilldatabase --help | grep channels

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defaultro:

that's what i did

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defaultro:

but deciding between the 2 params

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defaultro:

do-channels-update

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Tanthrix:

That's what it is.

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defaultro:

but got worried that it might overwrite frequencies

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Aval0n-:

anyone know what would cause waving lines though 1 station?

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defaultro:

i think, I used refresh-all before

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Aval0n-:

al the other 68 chans are fine accept 45

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Aval0n-:

odd waving diagonal lines

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Aval0n-:

all*

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Dagmar:

People who aren't retarded would try connecting the coax directly to the TV first

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defaultro:

overwrite channel names, frequencies, etc. with the

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defaultro:

values available from the data source.

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Dagmar:

defaultro: I think in your case probably either would do

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NightMonkey:

Aval0n-: This is a good overview page for bitrate info: http://www.mediachance.com/dvdlab/tutorial/bitrate.html

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defaultro:

ok

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Tanthrix:

Aval0n-: You need to get rid of any unnecessary splitters, bad cables, etc... Sometimes an amp at the entry point is necessary. I'm 200 ft from the pole, and without an amp I'm wavy central

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Aval0n-:

nightmonkey thank you very much

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kristok:

When I try to bring up the guide in live TV, it hangs my machine hard

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Aval0n-:

tanthrix: wow I wasn't sure if amps really helped

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Aval0n-:

how much do they cost on avg

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Dagmar:

kristok: You need 0.20-fixes

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kristok:

Dagmar: I think I'm using that already

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defaultro:

do you know that amps will just amplify? So if signal is bad, it will amplify the bad signal

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Tanthrix:

Aval0n-: As long as they are placed before the trouble and not after, they can be quite useful. And price depends on the type. The two-way ones that allow digital cable / cable internet to work are a little more expensive, but none are too big

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Dagmar:

kristok: If you only "think" you're using it then you're not

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kristok:

Dagmar: I'll check here in a sec after the thing finishes rebooting...

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Tanthrix:

Often your cable company will take care of it though. I was having issues and they took care of me nicely

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Aval0n-:

do they up the signal or something?

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Tanthrix:

(As long as it's not your crappy cables that are to blame, but an actual distance issue)

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Tanthrix:

No, installed an amp.

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Aval0n-:

interesting

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defaultro:

if signal is fine on tv, then something is wrong with your capture card

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Aval0n-:

i hooked it to the TV and didn't notice the lines though

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Aval0n-:

oddly

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defaultro:

there you go

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Aval0n-:

before I ran it to the mythtv box anyway

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Aval0n-:

but it's the same cable

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defaultro:

do you also know that most capture cards have weak signal capturing?

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Aval0n-:

just moved

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Aval0n-:

I was not aware of that

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Aval0n-:

I have a pvr 150

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defaultro:

it's not as sensitive as the ones on our tv

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Aval0n-:

which is being replaced by a pvr-500 tomorrow

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kristok:

Dagmar: I've got 0.20.1–161 from atrpms, which has fixes up to 14051 in svn

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Tanthrix:

Your problems are only going to get worse then

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defaultro:

looks like you will see the same quality

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Aval0n-:

yeah

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Aval0n-:

from the internal splitter

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Aval0n-:

at least on the second tuner eh

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defaultro:

splitter degrades the signal too, do you know that

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Dagmar:

kristok: Well then they've somehow managed to resurrect a bug that's been fixed for some time. Report it

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Aval0n-:

defaultro, yeah

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Tanthrix:

Go buy an amp at radioshack – they have a 30 day return policy. Put it at the entry point and see if it makes a difference.

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Aval0n-:

i have a cable modem

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Aval0n-:

will it screw with that

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drindt:

i had a question about starting mythtv directly, my X is running from a initscript as root and how can i get running mythtv with a user in X? iam using gentoo linux

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Aval0n-:

if it's no bi directinal

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Aval0n-:

directional*

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Tanthrix:

Aval0n-: You either have to get a bi-directional one, or split the modem onto its own line that bypasses the amp.

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NightMonkey:

drindt: One way is to look into the startup scripts for your window manager.

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kristok:

Dagmar: Should I open a new ticket in trac or just report it on the mailing list?

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Dagmar:

report it to the people who made your binary package

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Aval0n-:

well I have 1 cable that comes from cox on the outside

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Aval0n-:

then a 4-way splitter in the cox box outside

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defaultro:

what is kristok expericing?

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drindt:

NightMonkey: which window manager? i had not such one i simply install X and myth

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Aval0n-:

the cable on my mythtv box is a different split than the modem

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Tanthrix:

Aval0n-: You want this then: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?p . . . tPage=search

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Aval0n-:

will that work

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Dagmar:

If they're not following up on these things, then they should stop distributing the package

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NightMonkey:

drindt: For instance, I start up mythfrontend from my fluxbox .fluxbox/startup file.

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kristok:

defaultro: trying to bring up the guide in livetv hard locks my machine

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Aval0n-:

i'ved owned that before

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Aval0n-:

lol

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drindt:

NightMonkey: i really need a window manager?

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Aval0n-:

i managed a radioshack store for a couple years

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defaultro:

reinstall using tar.gz

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Aval0n-:

still get my discount

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Tanthrix:

heh

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drindt:

NightMonkey: i want to keep the install small as i can, because this system is only for the use with myth planned

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Aval0n-:

tanthrix do you think twist on gold F connectors cause signal loss?

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Aval0n-:

i have one on the end going to the mythtv box

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Hrm. I'd think you *have* a window manager if you get beyond a screen with an "X" and a grey background in X. But I've never installed a GUI-oriented system without a wm.

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** defaultro is ecstatic after getting ensoniq audio card to record audio coming out from dvico. Just an fyi :) **

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Aval0n-:

I guess what i'm asking is, do crimped ones cause less

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Aval0n-:

i got my audio working through hdmi

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Aval0n-:

after soldering to my motherboard

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Aval0n-:

:)

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Tanthrix:

Personally, I'd doubt it. I don't have the proper equipment to measure the signal levels though

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Tanthrix:

Nifty

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Aval0n-:

was a long shot but it worked

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defaultro:

ah, that maybe the culprit. You might have heated up the mobo badly Avalon

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Do you get a login box when X starts?

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drindt:

NightMonkey: ah now, the X comes with a ugly looking windowmanager right

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Aval0n-:

lol eh?

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drindt:

NightMonkey: yes the ugly looking xdm

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defaultro:

no

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defaultro:

i am serious

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Aval0n-:

nah man I was on it for like half a second

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defaultro:

why did you have to solder it

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Aval0n-:

i solder things all the time

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defaultro:

k

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Aval0n-:

because I didn't have an spdif out

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Aval0n-:

the pins where there

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Dagmar:

I would have thought by now that "because he's a moron" would have sprung immediately to mind

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Aval0n-:

so I soldered the cable direct to the pads

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defaultro:

ok, then

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Aval0n-:

since they were active

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defaultro:

then what is your interface, RCA?

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Aval0n-:

no

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Aval0n-:

it's a 2 wire spdif cable that came with my video card

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Aval0n-:

I have a fiber on the board itself

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defaultro:

what is the port type?

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defaultro:

so fiber

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defaultro:

toslink port

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Aval0n-:

I didn't solder to that though

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Aval0n-:

I have a toslink

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Aval0n-:

but also

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defaultro:

of course, it's made of glass :)

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Aval0n-:

a place on the board that has pads

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Aval0n-:

that was intended for coax spdif out

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defaultro:

but I am amazed how signal travels

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Yeah, I don't *think* you can avoid that, but perhaps a USE flag can make that go away. But, find out the startup file for that (perhaps .xsession).

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drindt:

NightMonkey: ok i will take a look thanks

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defaultro:

i have a wire too. Wire is copper but I don't know if there is a mechanism that changes it to fiber

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NightMonkey:

Put .xsession in the home dir of the user you're logging into.

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NightMonkey:

drindt: ^^

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Aval0n-:

fiber runs on an extra 5v

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defaultro:

the spdif cable

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Aval0n-:

the coax is 1v

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NightMonkey:

drindt: The next step will be to make X autologin to your mythfrontend user. ;)

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drindt:

NightMonkey: argh i dont want to login

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defaultro:

what could be the inside of that

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Aval0n-:

spdif is just ground and signal

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defaultro:

ok

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Aval0n-:

2 conductor

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defaultro:

but how does it get connected to the fiber

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Aval0n-:

you can use an rca cable for digital coax if you wanted

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NightMonkey:

drindt: My suggestion is to get the script running to your taste, then set an autologin with your dm.

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Aval0n-:

if it isn't a long run

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defaultro:

yes, I have toslink and rca on the wire itself

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defaultro:

it looks like a card when viewed outside

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defaultro:

it sits on the metal plate

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Aval0n-:

:)

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drindt:

NightMonkey: ok i will try and complain you when all fails :D

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Aval0n-:

asus board?

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defaultro:

the rCA and the toslink

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defaultro:

gigabyte

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Aval0n-:

ahh ok

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defaultro:

let's start again

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defaultro:

the wire is connected to the SPDIF pin on the mobo

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Aval0n-:

there is 3 pins that you have then

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

3 pins

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Aval0n-:

1 = 5v

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Aval0n-:

1 = GND

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Aval0n-:

1 = spdif

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defaultro:

but on the other ends, it's fiber

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Aval0n-:

coax doesn't use the 5v

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defaultro:

ok

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NightMonkey:

drindt: What I do is X -> GDM -> (autologin) -> .fluxbox/startup. And I have GDM have a timed re-login if X restarts for some reason (so I don't have to log in from work to make my GF happy again).

[06:29:09]

Aval0n-:

the solder pad with that is a square is the 5v usually

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drindt:

NightMonkey: oh yes the GF problem i forgott argh

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Aval0n-:

the solder pad that has the square

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defaultro:

so there is something hidden?

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Aval0n-:

sorry

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Aval0n-:

i'm tired

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Aval0n-:

hidden?

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Tanthrix:

defaultro: Basically, he just has two pads on his mobo marked "SPDIF" with no pins. He soldered onto that from the two pin cable that goes to his video card for SPDIF passthrough over hdmi, since he had no proper header to connect the cable to

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defaultro:

yeah, with the plastic

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Aval0n-:

the emitter for the light

[06:30:12]

Aval0n-:

yeah

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Aval0n-:

that's "hidden" I guess

[06:30:22]

Aval0n-:

the 5v powers it

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Yeah, for over a year I had mythbrowser making X segfault, until I realized that the PVR-350 doesn't play well with OpenGL. It came in handy then.

[06:31:13]

Aval0n-:

do most ppl use the Bob interlace filter?

[06:31:18]

Aval0n-:

it seems to perform the best for me

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drindt:

NightMonkey: indeed, huh i see its a long way to my box :)

[06:31:32]

Aval0n-:

Bob x2 framerate I think it's called

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defaultro:

ok

[06:32:03]

defaultro:

I use linear

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Making myth work is often difficult, but rewarding. :)

[06:32:15]

Aval0n-:

hm

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Aval0n-:

and it's better than bob for you

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Aval0n-:

?

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defaultro:

looks like

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defaultro:

I see more finer look, life like

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Aval0n-:

then you use standard XvmC?

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defaultro:

nope, just standard

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defaultro:

xvmc doesn't work well here

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defaultro:

it pauses sometimes

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Aval0n-:

ahh ok

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defaultro:

i use standard

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defaultro:

then audio pre buffering is checked

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defaultro:

real time somthing is checked

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defaultro:

all others are unchecked

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drindt:

NightMonkey: ok first is have to shrink down my system a bit the system cf card has only 100mb free :(

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defaultro:

are there alternatives to http://www.schedulesdirect.org/?

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defaultro:

LOL, schedulesdirect hasn't gone full yet, and I am looking now for an alternative, hehehe

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Because of my suggestions(!)? I think you can stick with your default WM...

[06:37:58]

drindt:

NightMonkey: i will try this first yes

[06:38:49]

NightMonkey:

drindt: Yeah, if your going for a diskless system (I guess?) you don't need GDM or fluxbox. QT is big enough already. ;)

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drindt:

NightMonkey: i use currently a 1GB CF Sandisk extreme 3

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drindt:

NightMonkey: with a cf2ide adapter works great and guarants nice bootup speed

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defaultro:

drindt, what is 1GB CF Sandisk extreme 3

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drindt:

defaultro: a really fast compact flash card with a 1 gigabyte size

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defaultro:

ah, that is cool

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drindt:

i formatted with reiserfs and boots up the system in some seconds

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defaultro:

can we install linux on it

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drindt:

because it saves the harddiscs seektime which is too big

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Make sure you explicitly disable the "kde" or "gnome" and "qt4", and enable "qt3". Among others... ;)

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drindt:

NightMonkey: already do

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defaultro:

it's fine for me if it's slow but i know that flash drives are very stable

[06:41:02]

NightMonkey:

drindt: Cool.

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defaultro:

drindt, do you have any howto for the flash drive?

[06:41:49]

drindt:

defaultro: the writing cycles are limited but data-loss through physical damage like on harddiscs isnt possible instead you lanch a atom bomb

[06:42:21]

drindt:

defaultro: no howto the flashdrive works like an ordinary harddrive, just look in ebay for a compact flash to ide adapter

[06:43:05]

defaultro:

how do you connect it?

[06:43:11]

defaultro:

oh

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Are you using a ramdisk to keep CF writes down?

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defaultro:

you just answered it :)

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defaultro:

do you just use it for o.s.?

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drindt:

defaultro: stick directly into the mainboard on the ide connector if you can wait to tomorrow can send you a pic

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drindt:

defaultro: yes only the os is on the flash

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drindt:

NightMonkey: why should?

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defaultro:

yes, i'm always here

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defaultro:

:)

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drindt:

defaultro: ok i can record a video from the bootup to envy you :D

[06:44:32]

defaultro:

but like you said, writes/deletes are slow on flash drives, correct?

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defaultro:

huh?

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drindt:

next week i get the extreme 4 which has 40MB/s write and read :D

[06:45:21]

defaultro:

and is it true that the bigger flash drives currently are only 10ggiers

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drindt:

defaultro: ah the card is a fast card the extreme 3 can 20MB/s read and write at same time. the extreme 4 see above, thats is really fast because the seektime isnt present

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NightMonkey:

drindt: CF (Flash RAM in general) has a relatively low threshold for writes per sector, before that sector will no longer be able to store data (or becomes unreliable).

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drindt:

NightMonkey: ok then tell me when the flash writes? :)

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drindt:

NightMonkey: before it writes the write cache from system is present

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NightMonkey:

drindt: From the WikiBrain: "Flash memory, regardless of format, supports only a limited number of erase/write cycles before a particular "sector" can no longer be written. Memory specifications generally allow 10,000[1] to 1,000,000 write cycles. Typically the controller in a CompactFlash attempts to prevent premature wearout of a sector by mapping the writes to various other sectors in the card – a process referred to

[06:46:34]

NightMonkey:

as wear levelling."

[06:47:43]

NightMonkey:

drindt: Well, keep /tmp, /var and /home elsewhere, for instance.

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drindt:

NightMonkey: that the controller inside do himself, it doesnt care me. the flash has 5 years warranty and has enough space inside to replace the burned flash elektrons

[06:47:57]

drindt:

NightMonkey: yes that uses nfs

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defaultro:

drindt, do you have a link to the flash product?

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drindt:

i had using that only for testing and want to see how fast and if it is a thing what i must have and my summary is that the cfcard is a good thing for the box

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Aval0n-:

hey tanthrix you around?

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Cool. And set "noatime" on the CF reiser filesystem in fstab.

[06:49:16]

Aval0n-:

I am scanning for dvb chans

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Aval0n-:

signal strength is 99%

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drindt:

NightMonkey: noatime is possible on reiser?

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Aval0n-:

but signal/noise is 62–80

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Aval0n-:

do you think my problem is more of interfirence than strength?

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Dagmar:

Why would it not be?

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drindt:

http://www.sandisk.de/Products/Catalog(1191)- . . . ctFlash.aspx

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Dagmar:

Sorry, you've forfieted the right to me giving a shit what you think with your trollery.

[06:50:52]

Dagmar:

wrong chan

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Yep.

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defaultro:

ok

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drindt:

NightMonkey: i try to remember, what the noatime relly does ... save time? :)

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drindt:

if you find the price is to fat for the 4GB disc try the extreme 3 as 1GB version cost approx 30€

[06:51:50]

NightMonkey:

drindt: Stops writes to the directory inode every time a file is accessed.

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defaultro:

ouch, 8G for $249

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Also, using a journaled filesystem on CF might not be the best idea for reducing writes.

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drindt:

defaultro: yes the price detonates with every GB

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defaultro:

500gb CF Sandisk with 40mb/s is perfect for HD recording

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drindt:

NightMonkey: i had taken a look on the write led on the adapter card and the blinks not more than one when i compile gcc i cannot understand why but i see it

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drindt:

defaultro: think the 20MB/s is ok too

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Dagmar:

No, it's fucking stupid

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defaultro:

then using a usb stick Sandisk with livecd installed, that is awesome. The only thing you have to worry is powersupply and other peripherals

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Dagmar:

500Gb of flash disk would cost a goddamn fortune

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defaultro:

:P

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Well, there's probably some write caching going on (bundling writes into one set).

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defaultro:

by 2012, it;ll be cheap

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drindt:

NightMonkey: i will watching about the flash when it dies before 5 years are over i send the flash back to sandisk

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Yeah, if you can easily replace and recreate the CF setup, then you need not worry. ;)

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Tanthrix:

If you're *that* annoyed with the sound of a hard drive, just hide the computer.

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Tanthrix:

In an adjoining closet, crawlspace, basement below, ceiling above – lots of places you can fit a computer where you won't notice it

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drindt:

NightMonkey: hehe thats is the nice thing the flash shrinks down without data loss they already include a ECC controller on each card so i have only to tar up files and the rest you know

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Tanthrix:

Well, perhaps not the ceiling because of heat issues.

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Yeah, that is nice. :)

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defaultr0|away:

later folks

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drindt:

indeed i find but i must say, i have this read in some documentation i cannot guarant that this is a real true behavoir but i guess :)

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NightMonkey:

drindt: I'm always suspect of storage manufacturer's longevity claims (especially for relatively new tech), since they don't have to worry about replacing your data. But, the use case you have doesn't merit a ton of hand wringing.

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NightMonkey:

Speaking of which, I have some Seagate Barracudas in my mythbox that are nearing their end-of-warranty... hmm...

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** NightMonkey flips in his cage and SCREEEches **

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drindt:

NightMonkey: yes i agreee to your opinion, but i use a noname sdcard with 4gb in a embedded system which is permanently write and i use it since a year and u cannot find a limitation from the card they simply work

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Cool. Yeah, I have a Jumpdrive Lightning 1GB with KNOPPIX that has been jangling around on my keychain for over 2 years now, and no problems.

[07:04:04]

NightMonkey:

drindt: Of course, tomorrow it won't work. ;)

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drindt:

NightMonkey: i think that flash is really a good storage media

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drindt:

NightMonkey: and when someone get you the argument that 20MB/s or 40MB/s isnt enough then its to consider that seektime is really timewasting

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NightMonkey:

drindt: The cost/storage ratio isn't so hot, but that'll change.

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drindt:

if you can see what the small card with 20MB/s do on startup you will flip around in your cage again :D

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drindt:

yes this card i use here isnt hot from the price

[07:05:51]

NightMonkey:

drindt: Yeah, the low latency rocks.

[07:06:06]

drindt:

more than that

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drindt:

you know the env-update.sh you use that after chrooting? you know how long it takes the call?

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drindt:

remember i mean

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Yep, I use it often. ;)

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drindt:

on the flash i press enter and after a half second it is finished

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Nice.

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kash:

anyone watch weeds?

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drindt:

i will finetune the kernel the next hours to get the bootup more performance

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drindt:

NightMonkey: and i had built the entire sys with -Os

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NightMonkey:

drindt: You thought about using a compressed FS on this?

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drindt:

the process is running now 10 packages are fail at the moment still in progress and i save over 210MB

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drindt:

NightMonkey: afaik the compressed all readonly

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drindt:

better use a onenandflash and yaffsfs

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Yeah, that's true.

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drindt:

but thats to price intensive at the moment

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drindt:

and i know not a regular mainboard which can handle such

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drindt:

and selfbuild isnt possible

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Here's a good article on compressed filesystems in Linux: http://lwn.net/Articles/219827/

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NightMonkey:

drindt: If you haven't read it already.

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drindt:

NightMonkey: i think that makes nothing better in my case

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drindt:

NightMonkey: i think i dont need more than 1GB

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drindt:

the rest does the 1TB samsung disc :)

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Might give you more useable space, but, yeah, if you don't need it...

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NightMonkey:

Damn, 1TB.

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drindt:

i think it is timewasting at the moment – but iam can be wrong will see – tell you then :)

[07:14:34]

NightMonkey:

drindt: Cool. Good luck!

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drindt:

NightMonkey: the price is not hot too for the 1TB 200€

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drindt:

NightMonkey: i had getting donated the disc :)

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drindt:

tomorrow i take a picture from my testing here in the "lab" :)

[07:15:24]

NightMonkey:

drindt: That's still incredible considering just how much damn data that is in such little space.

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drindt:

1TB is too much i think or? a 80GB drive should need or?

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** NightMonkey is still amazed at the mundane. **

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Nah, I'm just showing my age. Myth can use it. ;)

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drindt:

NightMonkey: as you can read my english is very poor more poorer than poor what the hell did you mean?

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NightMonkey:

drindt: I was just showing my admiration for the engineers who keep bumping the capacity of drives.

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Nothing about your setup or choices.

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Your english isn't bad.

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NightMonkey:

drindt: My tangent was what was not necessary. ;)

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juski:

<3 perpendicular :)

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drindt:

NightMonkey: which storage capacity did you use?

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NightMonkey:

drindt: 2x200GB hard drives, with an LVM raid 0 creating 350GB useable recording storage space.

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NightMonkey:

drindt: I think I'm in need of a capacity bump. ;)

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drindt:

oh thats a lot

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juski:

bah. I have 500GB recording space

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Yeah, I *should* be doing a better RAID, but I my mythbox is a Shuttle, and there's not a lot of space in there...

[07:24:25]

Tanthrix:

I've got 120gb and I'm quite content.

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Tanthrix:

Though I do have 2.2 terabytes in my main machine for my media library...

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NightMonkey:

My "limited" amount of storage keeps me from unnecessarily hoarding shows. ;)

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NightMonkey:

Though I still hoard too many. ;)

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Tanthrix:

My solution to my hoarding problems is to keep buying more drives.

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NightMonkey:

And with MythArchive, my DVD collection keeps increasing in size.

[07:26:37]

Tanthrix:

It's nice though, since they just get bigger and cheaper, so my number of drives ends up decreasing over time.

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NightMonkey:

When I start recording QVC "just because I can" I think I'll have too much storage.

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drindt:

NightMonkey: you record the QVC isnt that the selling sender? where poeple the entire day all sentences speaking twice in 3 minutes

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Yeah, I was joking. :)

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drindt:

NightMonkey: ok my view at this world is now corrected

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NightMonkey:

heh

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drindt:

NightMonkey: my useflags currently can you agree with them: USE="mysql qt3 mp3 alsa sse2 minimal glibc-omitfp nonfsv4 -ipv6 -kde -gnome"

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NightMonkey:

drindt: Check those against your default profile, too, but the ones I recognize look ok.

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NightMonkey:

OK, off to bed. G'Night, all.

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juski:

!trout websites-that-need-IE retarded

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drindt:

can i see in myth how many hours/ minutes are left for recording?

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juski:

probably

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Tanthrix:

drindt: Check in the system status

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drindt:

Tanthrix: thanks

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juski:

system status – machine status

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juski:

you can also check in mythweb's status area

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juski:

ffs the wiki entry for status info is pretty lacking

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CBiLL:

I set up mythdora

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CBiLL:

but only getting black screen and bumped back to mythtv main menu when I try to enter watch tv

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juski:

.. and it doesn't work. wow. another satisfied mythdora user

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CBiLL:

any idea what step I may have missed?

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juski:

CBiLL: you could have set an incorrect tuner type in mythtv-setup

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CBiLL:

it detected pvr 500 and I selected composite since it connected to my sat box

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juski:

you could have missed testing your tuner hardware to make sure it works in linux

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CBiLL:

hrmm going back and look

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CBiLL:

how do I test the tuner hardware in linux?

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juski:

for pvr cards see www.ivtvdriver.org

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juski:

though with a distro like mythdora I'd expect stuff like that to be supported out of the box

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CBiLL:

correct me too

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CBiLL:

it got the driver install and stuffs

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CBiLL:

so I would assume it supported out of the box too

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juski:

I've yet to see anybody who has got mythdora working, other than people who work on the team

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CBiLL:

is there an linux app I can open to check the pvr 500 to see if it working

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CBiLL:

beside mythtv

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juski:

cat /dev/videoX > test.mpg

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juski:

then mplayer test.mpg

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CBiLL:

cool .. going to test it

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Tanthrix:

For the last time you crazy people, mplayer /dev/videoX works just fine

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Tanthrix:

Think of all the wasted characters!

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juski:

I'm starting to get very tired of all these 'all in one' distros which are supposed to 'just work'

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juski:

mythdora seems to be where knoppmyth were a couple of years ago

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CBiLL:

I was going to run it in ubuntu

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CBiLL:

installed ubuntu tonight and at first boot up .. got a nice orange desktop but nothing works on it lol

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juski:

CBiLL: pvr cards aren't supported out of the box on ubuntu yet

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CBiLL:

well pvr 500 does indeed works

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juski:

CBiLL: so now you need to check the backend log

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CBiLL:

looks choppy thou

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CBiLL:

not too bad but a tiny bit

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juski:

it'll likely be something crazy like the dir you configured to store recordings doesn't exist or the user mythbackend runs as doesn't have permission

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CBiLL:

what distro support pvr out of the box

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CBiLL:

pvr 500 that is

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CBiLL:

with closed captioning support =P

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juski:

knoppmyth, mythdora (allegedly)

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juski:

does ivtv even support CC on the pvr500 card yet? not 100% sure it does

[09:01:56]

CBiLL:

it works fine in SageTV (windows version) so I assume by now ivtv driver supports it

[09:02:06]

CBiLL:

does ivtv support CCinDVD?

[09:02:23]

juski:

wtf does ivtv have to do with dvd playback? nothing, that's what

[09:02:43]

Tanthrix:

CBiLL: Make sure the card isn't set as an analog V4L

[09:03:05]

CBiLL:

it is set to that

[09:03:11]

CBiLL:

ok what should it be set to then?

[09:03:27]

juski:

09:54 < juski> CBiLL: you could have set an incorrect tuner type in mythtv-setup

[09:03:32]

Tanthrix:

MPEG2 encoder or some such thing

[09:03:33]

CBiLL:

juski : it what happuages call it

[09:03:37]

CBiLL:

ok

[09:03:40]

CBiLL:

going to change it

[09:04:11]

Tanthrix:

Something needs to be changed to make that more clear

[09:04:13]

** juski is baffled why these 'all-in-one' distros don't attempt to autodetect such things **

[09:04:27]

juski:

Tanthrix: there's been talk of basic autodetection

[09:04:39]

juski:

but then there'd be no need if more users had a clue & RTFM

[09:04:52]

CBiLL:

well that worked

[09:04:55]

CBiLL:

cool

[09:04:59]

CBiLL:

but darn no CC

[09:05:00]

CBiLL:

oh well

[09:05:20]

Tanthrix:

juski: True

[09:05:28]

juski:

CBiLL: maybe CC is supported in ivtv now, but the version of ivtv mythdora has isn't current enough

[09:05:48]

CBiLL:

yeah I was worried about that part

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juski:

and these 'all-in-one' distros could even do a lot of mythtv-setup themselves

[09:06:23]

CBiLL:

when I read up .. it say "certain keneral and certain ivit" version must be in that range etc etc

[09:07:23]

CBiLL:

CC toggle in Playback setting is all need to be enable?

[09:15:20]

CBiLL:

coolio got CC working

[09:15:44]

CBiLL:

had to change VBI setting

[09:18:51]

CBiLL:

juski : seem perfect CC for me in MythDora 4 on PVR-500 so ivtv driver must finally support it good now

[09:19:05]

juski:

quick! nobody update the wikis!

[09:19:21]

juski:

wow. nobody updated the wikis already. man that was quick!

[09:21:56]

CBiLL:

who got time for wikis now days 8-P

[09:24:21]

juski:

who has time to RTFM nowadays? :-\

[09:25:27]

CBiLL:

yeah it nothing but a bunch of boring words

[09:27:05]

juski:

boring words that could save you hours/days/weeks/months/years of pulling your hair out though

[09:27:14]

CBiLL:

naw

[09:27:17]

juski:

and also save you being yelled at in IRC

[09:27:17]

CBiLL:

I got you folks

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[09:27:28]

Dagmar:

Cool

[09:27:39]

CBiLL:

like I can hear you yelling at me 8-)

[09:27:56]

juski:

like I can see people on my ignore list :D

[09:28:01]

Dagmar:

You'll find that we're a lot easier to deal with (read: we will bend over backwards sometimes) when your question reflects that you've been doing research to figure out your problem and just got stuck

[09:29:06]

CBiLL:

I am reading up to see if I can get this firefly remote to work in mythtv now

[09:29:11]

Tanthrix:

And if you're certain beyond the shadow of a doubt that the question has never been answered. Anywhere. Ever.

[09:29:14]

Dagmar:

i <3 reading

[09:29:23]

Tanthrix:

If it has been, well, then take a hike!

[09:29:32]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Hell, I'll take "reasonably sure"

[09:29:45]

Dagmar:

...or even "not covered in the wiki"

[09:30:09]

juski:

we should def. have more wiki drives

[09:30:13]

CBiLL:

wiki sooo outdated nobody even update it anymore

[09:30:18]

Dagmar:

If something not in there gets asked enough times, I'll go write up something on it

[09:30:23]

juski:

CBiLL: AND WHOSE FAULT IS THAT?!

[09:30:39]

Dagmar:

heh

[09:30:58]

Dagmar:

The wiki isn't actually all that outdated, but if you find anything that just reeks of stale, say something

[09:31:01]

juski:

ducking lazy bastards, that's who

[09:31:11]

CBiLL:

yours I guess since all you do is sit in here and bitch instead of going to fix this wiki issue so you wouldn't ahve to bitch about it in the first place 8-)

[09:31:14]

juski:

it takes 5 mins to create an account

[09:31:26]

** Tanthrix touts his very decent "Recording Digital Cable" page he wrote from scratch **

[09:31:40]

** juski touts the status info page he updated just now **

[09:31:49]

juski:

and the theme design guide update I just did

[09:31:59]

juski:

and the user jobs page.. and .. and...

[09:32:02]

** Tanthrix reverts juski's page and wins **

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juski:

I got told off by some guy for making a comment that somebody said 'component' instead of 'composite' on a page – I called them a dummy. thought it was appropriate but apparently not... i.e. "component != composite, dummy!"

[09:34:35]

juski:

got some ducking lecture about not everybody being technically competent – well in that case they should be allowed to make edits!

[09:34:39]

Tanthrix:

I can see how someone could take that annoyingly (much like how you positively freak out when people insult myth) ;)

[09:35:00]

CBiLL:

he does?

[09:35:06]

juski:

freak out? I'd kill for less. ducking retards

[09:35:14]

CBiLL:

ok Sagetv is better than Mythtv

[09:35:21]

Tanthrix:

Though, for me, the exclamation point suggests friendly humour

[09:35:25]

** CBiLL sit back and light up to watch a freak show **

[09:35:46]

juski:

as insults go, 'dummy' isn't very heavyweight

[09:36:04]

Tanthrix:

I've seen you fly off the handle for less

[09:36:15]

juski:

it's IRC :)

[09:36:21]

Tanthrix:

You're a wild man, juski

[09:36:57]

juski:

I've done more for mythtv with my little finger than the vast majority of wastrel scavenging scroungers we get in here

[09:37:14]

Tanthrix:

Worst than nazis they are

[09:37:19]

CBiLL:

and I am sure folks had thanked you for you

[09:37:20]

Tanthrix:

Worse, even

[09:37:34]

CBiLL:

and thank you Tanthrix for pointing out my error 8-)

[09:37:54]

juski:

yeah well out of context, there's all kinds of things like that you could cite

[09:41:35]

juski:

I might one day learn to feel sorry for all the retarded people who think reading docs is below them – until then I'll continue to get in a bad temper

[09:42:28]

Tanthrix:

One of these days I'm going to start up the #happyfunmythtv-users channel and I won't let the lot of you bastards in

[09:42:37]

** Tanthrix runs off to his fairy land **

[09:42:54]

slaine_:

Hey guys, is there a target release date for 0.21 ?

[09:42:55]

CBiLL:

I feel sorry for folks who die such at a young ages due to all the stress and tempers

[09:43:13]

CBiLL:

body can only tolerate so much

[09:43:14]

juski:

there are no target release dates for mythtv, end of story

[09:43:27]

slaine_:

lol, true

[09:43:32]

juski:

there's going to be a point release in the next week or so

[09:43:38]

juski:

slaine_: you agree so wtf did you even ask?

[09:43:50]

juski:

a point release, like as in 0.20.2

[09:44:38]

Dagmar:

Well, at this point maybe just saying "Every 6 months we do a point release to encourage distros to stay synched" because there's a huge load of differences between 0.20 and 0.20-fixes

[09:44:55]

slaine_:

cheers juski. I'm planning on installing a new hdd and doing a fresh install this weekend. With the new seasons due to start in late September, wanted to get everything ready.

[09:45:03]

Tanthrix:

How dare someone be curious about when the next version of myth is going to be released! That's the gravest sin of them all.

[09:45:17]

juski:

yeah but packagers could be less lazy about it & update their fixes packages more oten

[09:45:17]

** slaine_ sniggers **

[09:45:43]

CBiLL:

gravest sin? cool .. so when is next version mythdora is gonna be release?

[09:45:50]

Tanthrix:

It's not like someone might like to hold off on setting up a new myth box if an release is right around the corner, which, despite the lack of target dates, at some point occurs.

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juski:

Tanthrix: it's one of the most FAQs .. if there was any inclination from the devs to specify such a date it'd more than likely be detailed on mythtv.org

[09:46:20]

floppyears:

quick question

[09:46:31]

Tanthrix:

floppyears: This is not the place to ask questions!

[09:46:33]

juski:

you just have to look at the number of open tickets to see how likely a release this year is

[09:46:49]

floppyears:

I was putting some zip ties around the cables inside my mythtv box, now the thing won't start up :(

[09:47:03]

slaine_:

Or just ask here, get flamed and get your answer anyway ;)

[09:47:04]

floppyears:

when I turn it on, I get the post screen that shows the ram + cpu + hdd

[09:47:07]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but I think once you've accumulated a printed yard of fixes, maybe it would be a good idea to discard the old tarballs

[09:47:09]

juski:

floppyears: you cut off the electron flow with your zip ties. relax them a bit :-P

[09:47:14]

floppyears:

but after that it just goes to a blank screen

[09:47:26]

juski:

the tarballs on mythtv.org are indeed a kind of in-joke

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floppyears:

before it would show kind of like a table of devices, and say: verifying hd something

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floppyears:

and then boot to linux

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floppyears:

juski: seriously ?

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Tanthrix:

floppyears: Have you considered checking all the cables to make sure they are snug? (And by check, I mean unplugging them and reseating them.)

[09:47:54]

slaine_:

What's the distro ?

[09:48:10]

slaine_:

Sounds like the kernel isn't too happy

[09:48:21]

slaine_:

likely it's stuck not finding it's initrd or something.

[09:48:23]

juski:

floppyears: if you have to ask if I was being serious, I have to suggest you step away from the computer & go live in the woods

[09:48:28]

slaine_:

Assuming you get no messages on screen.

[09:48:32]

floppyears:

slaine_: no, if it was the kernel, I would at least get a grub error :(

[09:48:46]

floppyears:

juski: ok

[09:48:51]

slaine_:

No, you'd get a grub error if grub couldn't find the kernel

[09:48:53]

juski:

it's more likely a cabling problem like Tanthrix said

[09:49:08]

janneg:

juski: calm down

[09:49:18]

floppyears:

I'll try relaxing the cut ties and then reseating the cables

[09:49:20]

floppyears:

thanks guys

[09:49:32]

juski:

janneg: I'm not going off on one. jees

[09:49:36]

Tanthrix:

And if you're certain everything is snug, it's possible you broke one of your ide cables. Not too difficult to do – the ribbon can pull apart from the connector on cheap cables pretty easily.

[09:49:53]

slaine_:

If grub finds the kernel, boots in silent mode and can't find the root partition, you'll end up with a blank screen

[09:52:12]

CBiLL:

or if you zip tie it to the metal case that it could slice a ribbon cable easy enough and not noticable

[09:52:14]

juski:

if there was an option to take a life ban from this channel I'd jump at the chance in all seriousness

[09:53:44]

Dibblah:

You think this is bad? Wait till Labs switches off...

[09:53:46]

floppyears:

damn, re-checking all this is going to be a b**** , so much time being wasted on trying to get a good airflow :(

[09:54:03]

juski:

it's gonna be fun on a stick when labs switches off

[09:54:07]

CBiLL:

anyone know how to make the background of the CC more transparent? been looking all over for such answer then again there not much info about CC out there

[09:54:08]

Tanthrix:

floppyears: That's like 60 seconds of work, tops.

[09:54:44]

Dibblah:

CBiLL: I think it's illegal to modify your credit card...

[09:54:53]

CBiLL:

good one!

[09:54:59]

CBiLL:

Closed Captioning

[09:55:05]

CBiLL:

but Ill remember that!

[09:55:08]

CBiLL:

8-)

[09:56:13]

juski:

CBiLL: you can change the background of closed captions in mythfrontend settings – tv playback preferences I think

[09:56:34]

Dibblah:

ISTR it's only color – Not alpha.

[09:56:46]

juski:

yup

[09:58:08]

juski:

and you can only change VBI CC, not DVB or CC streams embedded in digital streams

[09:58:59]

CBiLL:

I can see to either use or use without background but not to adjust it's transparenty

[09:59:15]

CBiLL:

probably not adjustable anyway

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juski:

you couls just use LinuxMCE instead & then it'll all just be one big alpha-blended *mess* ;)

[10:14:27]

Dibblah:

Or a perl script. Could be done in 46 lines, I'm sure.

[10:14:52]

juski:

that must be awesome though, being able to write a pvr to rival mythtv in 46 lines of perl

[10:15:06]

juski:

I wish I was that clever

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[10:15:31]

Dibblah:

I assume you remember the said incident.

[10:15:49]

Dibblah:

Wouldn't want anyone thinking I'm *that* good ;)

[10:16:11]

juski:

it turned into quite a flame war, almost as bad as the one which erupted out of a discussion about myth on FreeBSD

[10:16:45]

Dibblah:

Why bother, though. *BSD is dying.

[10:16:51]

Dibblah:

;)

[10:17:01]

Dagmar:

Like a bad Monty Python sketch

[10:17:01]

juski:

yeah prolly cos you can't run mythtv on it :-P

[10:17:18]

Dagmar:

"We're not dead yet..."

[10:17:30]

Dagmar:

"Just get in the cart."

[10:17:38]

Dibblah:

A few people had attempted a port. Thought it was there...

[10:18:01]

Dibblah:

(Seem to remember the postgres guy...

[10:18:30]

juski:

though if you run BSD would you actually want to run an app as blatantly insecure (as in *riddled*) as mythtv? ;)

[10:19:00]

Dagmar:

I figure they're re-upping their lithium prescriptions

[10:19:22]

Dagmar:

...although I'm surprised they're not in a continuous primal scream over Qt

[10:19:56]

juski:

oh yeah. Qt sell products as well as make 'free' things. that makes them devil spawn or something

[10:20:41]

Dibblah:

Eh? Is Libre different from Gratis, or something?

[10:20:41]

** juski chuckles at the facebook group petitioning for the revocation of the US' independence **

[10:21:02]

Dibblah:

Yeah, like we'd have them back.

[10:21:34]

juski:

we could just take the land and repatriate the people somewhere else

[10:22:24]

Dibblah:

Yeah! Australia's still ours, right?

[10:22:31]

pat__:

oi

[10:22:34]

Dibblah:

Should be far enough away...

[10:22:41]

Dibblah:

;)

[10:22:52]

juski:

I can't say I dislike Australians enough to do that though ;)

[10:23:00]

Dibblah:

True.

[10:23:09]

Dibblah:

Kiwis?

[10:27:16]

Dibblah:

Time for the Golgafrincham solution.

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drindt:

someone knows what the autostart useflag on mythtv does?

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[10:36:25]

juski:

read the ebuild notes?

[10:36:36]

drindt:

juski: how?

[10:36:53]

juski:

it's been some time since I used gentoo & I can't remember how

[10:37:45]

drindt:

juski: ok thanks

[10:40:04]

juski:

USE=autostart is for mythfrontend

[10:40:43]

drindt:

iam reading about

[10:40:57]

drindt:

and what is freebox?

[10:41:00]

juski:

I really don't miss gentoo one it

[10:41:02]

juski:

*bit

[10:41:11]

juski:

freebox is a kind of set top box

[10:41:23]

juski:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freebox

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floppyears:

ok, so I figured out what my problem was

[10:51:27]

floppyears:

I replaced the cd-reader in the mythbox with a dvd reader that I took from my debian server

[10:51:44]

floppyears:

as soon as I took that dvd player out, the machine was able to boot again :)

[10:51:57]

floppyears:

the bummer is that I undid all of my night's work :(

[10:52:00]

floppyears:

thanks for the help guys :)

[10:52:54]

floppyears:

I'm glad that I have my myth running, otherwise the W would be pissed at me

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coopster:

I seem to remember there being an easy-ish way to import episodes from a season DVD of a tv show into the list of recordings, is that right or have I gone more crazy than usual?

[11:11:44]

juski:

false memory syndrome? wishful thinking? ;)

[11:12:19]

juski:

there's never been any way to do that which I'd call 'easy-ish'

[11:13:21]

coopster:

hrmm, i wish there was

[11:14:08]

GreyFoxx:

coopster:I'd find that useful too

[11:14:20]

GreyFoxx:

I've ripped all of my dvd's except for my boxed tv series :)

[11:15:01]

coopster:

Shouldn't be terribly hard to whip up a script for, right? Just yank the appropriate channel/title from the DVD, find a source for the episode data, and insert an entry into the db?

[11:15:15]

juski:

and build a seektable for it

[11:15:29]

coopster:

hrmm, what are these 'seektable's you speak of?

[11:15:56]

GreyFoxx:

The "clean" auto ripping of all of the individual shows I would find useful, though to be fair I haven't tried themyth dvd ripping in awhile

[11:15:58]

juski:

they are tables which facilitate better seeking within recordings.. more precise than is possible without seektables

[11:16:03]

GreyFoxx:

I would never put them in the recordings table though

[11:16:08]

GreyFoxx:

I use mythvideo for that sort of thing

[11:16:23]

juski:

yeah I'd not want dvd rips or suchlike mixed in with recordings

[11:16:59]

juski:

though one day when more stuff is integrated, somebody's gonna have to come up with a cool way to keep them apart if users want that

[11:17:24]

coopster:

I dunno, I like to try and nab all the episodes of particular serieses, I'd find it useful to have the ones from DVD marked as recorded so I dont dupe them

[11:17:50]

coopster:

Shouldn't be too big of a deal, that's just a db thing, right?

[11:17:51]

janneg:

coopster: contrib/myth.rebuilddatabase.pl might be useful

[11:17:53]

juski:

don't dupe them? as in buy them again? I think I know what you're up to matey

[11:18:23]

janneg:

record them again. but that might or might not work

[11:18:47]

coopster:

lol, no. though that may be an easier way than waiting for them to play and recording them. hrmm. anywho, I mean so that it doesn't get recorded in my 'record all on all channels' rule

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juski:

depends on the exact episode title / subtitle / description and the rules you set for duplicate matching

[11:20:04]

coopster:

janneg, that does look useful, should be able to use that code for a lot of what it needs to do

[11:20:20]

coopster:

where does one set the rules for dupe matching?

[11:20:33]

juski:

when you set up the recording, in recording options

[11:22:29]

coopster:

is there a good scrapable page for looking up a list of episodes in a season anyone knows of?

[11:23:53]

juski:

tv.com maybe, but check their T&Cs about how they allow data to be used

[11:27:02]

coopster:

don't see any terms =)

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juski:

sagetv has a tv.com scraper script apparently

[11:31:39]

coopster:

looks handy

[11:32:42]

coopster:

ok, well this script goes on 'the list'. perhaps one day i'll be not-busy enough to actually do it =)

[11:39:24]

Dagmar:

HAHAHAH

[11:39:53]

Dagmar:

Dude my "list" is on continuous feed paper and I could probably list all the naughty boys and girls in the world on the back

[11:40:01]

Dagmar:

Keep hoping.

[11:40:25]

Dagmar:

I'd need to be five people and move somewhere with 36-hour days to get mine all cleaned up.

[11:49:46]

coopster:

Mine's not there yet, but I've noticed a disturbing trend of a 10:1 in-out ratio, so it's just a matter of time ;)

[11:53:33]

juski:

it's never just a matter of time in my experience. you've got to be ruthlessly discriminating & cut stuff off

[11:57:40]

Dagmar:

I tend to wait until I've got several closely-related problems and then attack them at once so I can leverage results from one into the rest

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coopster:

I tend to wait until I forget entirely what the list was, then start from scratch with a new, better list that I fully intent to rigorously complete

[12:01:06]

coopster:

blarg! when one imports a dvd using the ISO copy quality settings, where does the damn thing end up?

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coopster:

it's not in myth video

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juski:

IIRC it ends up in the mythvideo directory

[12:02:14]

juski:

maybe importing a dvd doesn't automatically update the mythvideo db ;)

[12:02:23]

coopster:

ah, i see the problem

[12:02:57]

coopster:

I am importing on a frontend that is not the same as the backend, and it's not playing nicely.

[12:03:37]

juski:

what I think you should do is export the dir mythvideo & mythmusic uses & mount it to exactly the same path on all frontends

[12:03:48]

juski:

much less confusing that way ;)

[12:03:54]

coopster:

aka i haven't set it up at all yet =)

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juski:

I spent a good couple of hours trying to figure out wtf was wrong with mythvideo losing all my videos on 2 machines – they'd be present on one machine but not on the other. problem was I had the dir mounted to a different path on one frontend

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Dagmar:

OMG you n00b!

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Dagmar:

*snicker*

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kslater:

happy Wednesday

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juski:

it certainly is

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juski:

wednesday, I mean

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Hhhhh:

so, after Sep 1, there will be no more free TV guide?

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Hhhhh:

in the US, that is

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GreyFoxx:

Yeah, no more Zap2it labs

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|Torg|:

no more free TMS data, yes

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Hhhhh:

*sniff*, that was kind of one of the reasons I wanted to install MythTV in the first place

[13:41:16]

Hhhhh:

oh well

[13:44:46]

Hhhhh:

hmm, getting a 3-yr plan from Tivo comes to US$8.31/mo., dangerously close to the $5 for the new Open Source schedule site

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|Torg|:

the price was not based off competition, it was based upon how much the listing service costs divided by the number of subscribers

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Hhhhh:

question: which hauppage 150 do you recommend: the 1042, or the 1062 MCE one?

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|Torg|:

me? I dont yes ether. I have DVB cards. So I am not the person to ask

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GreyFoxx:

Hhhhh: That price is also the initial price and will hopefully drop as more people join

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GreyFoxx:

which is why it's not auto renewing :)

[13:53:20]

Hhhhh:

sorry, I meant to ask: which hauppahe WinTV PVR-150 model do you recommend: 1045(with blaster remote) or 1062 (with MCE remote)

[13:53:31]

Hhhhh:

1042 has FM tuner but no remote, I don't want that one

[13:54:10]

Hhhhh:

which remote is easier to get working under linux?

[13:54:17]

Hhhhh:

out of those 2

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Dagmar:

pretty much any programmable remote

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|Torg|:

they both work under lirc if that is what you are asking

[13:56:21]

Dagmar:

Of course, you're not likely to get any of them to work at all if you don't read documentation

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|Torg|:

ease is pretty much a moot point however, they are both as easy or as difficult as the other

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Hhhhh:

which remote is better, overall?

[14:00:56]

Hhhhh:

in terms of functionality, range, etc

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|Torg|:

neither/both

[14:01:24]

|Torg|:

which car is easier to drive ther red one or the white one?

[14:02:21]

Hhhhh:

ok, your analogy is not good. I'm asking for two specific remote models, and things such as range or number of buttons may differ

[14:02:45]

|Torg|:

ok then if you want my opionion buy nether. Dont use a remote and use a wireless keyboard

[14:02:52]

Hhhhh:

I haven't seen any of the remotes, so my question is perfectly legitimate

[14:03:10]

|Torg|:

your asking me my opionon on something I dont use nor do I have any intention to do so

[14:03:27]

|Torg|:

a remote, no matter who makes it sends out IR signals (some do RF)

[14:03:49]

|Torg|:

a recover is nothig more then a diode and a fw parts, you can buy them, some cards have them built in

[14:03:58]

|Torg|:

the software to use a remote is called lirc

[14:04:15]

|Torg|:

you can use predefined remotes, or use lirc itslef to create a defenition for you

[14:04:24]

|Torg|:

all that is detailed on quite a few pages

[14:04:36]

coopster:

When mythvideo is playing a video, is it being streamed from the backend like live tv and recordings, or is it being directly accessed by the frontend?

[14:04:38]

|Torg|:

but if a remote sends out a signal, it will work. Its pretty much that simple

[14:04:48]

Dagmar:

Way, way, WAY WAY easier to use a prebuilt config

[14:05:12]

coopster:

is the PVR150 the one with 2 tuners or is that the 250?

[14:05:21]

Hhhhh:

the 350

[14:05:26]

Dagmar:

Like, worst-case scenario, buy one of those cheap-ass One4All remotes with enough buttons to make you happy and tell it to pretend it's something you can find a config file for.

[14:05:29]

coopster:

no, i have that one, that's the TV-out

[14:05:33]

Dagmar:

Wow. No.

[14:05:36]

at0m|c:

Hhhhh: 550

[14:05:41]

Dagmar:

The PVR-500 is the dual-tuner version of the PVR-150.

[14:05:46]

at0m|c:

500 right

[14:05:49]

Dagmar:

How many times in a row can you guys get it wrong.

[14:05:50]

coopster:

Hhhhh, go with the 500, imho

[14:05:53]

Dagmar:

heh

[14:05:58]

Hhhhh:

500, sorry

[14:06:04]

coopster:

I bought the 350 and regret doing it. a lot.

[14:06:18]

Dagmar:

The 350 is not useful unless you are really, really hurting for space in your machine

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|Torg|:

here, screw the reomte and get a keyboard

[14:06:21]

|Torg|:

http://www.gyration.com/en-US/ProductDetail.h . . . mp;accshow=3

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Hhhhh:

I meant to answer your question. I was wrong, the 500 is the one with dual tuner

[14:06:31]

|Torg|:

that way you can actualy type on your console with it as well

[14:06:36]

coopster:

Dagmar, even if you are, swap out the vid card for one with a good tv out, which are _cheap_

[14:06:49]

Hhhhh:

|Torg|,thanks but I want to use one of those two remotes I mentioned if possible

[14:06:58]

Hhhhh:

I may add a wireless keyboard at some point though

[14:07:04]

|Torg|:

posible yes. ease is a mater of opinion

[14:07:24]

|Torg|:

I personally dont think taking a home brewed reciver and connecting it to any old remote to be difficult

[14:07:27]

Dagmar:

Oh, ANNOYING

[14:07:32]

Dagmar:

NewEgg no longer has the model keyboard I got

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coopster:

My gyration keyboard has a handful of missing keys, and you can't get replacements :-/

[14:07:37]

|Torg|:

then again im an electrical engiiner and can desiogn ciruit, well in theory anyway

[14:07:54]

|Torg|:

coopster dont abuse your equiment

[14:08:17]

coopster:

|Torg|, duh. But sometimes someone throws it in a packing box naked and then things happen.

[14:08:25]

Dagmar:

Hint: If you get a wireless keyboard, you want RF not IR and you do NOT want the BTC 9116URF

[14:08:42]

coopster:

Not saying it's gyration's fault the keys fell off, but it'd be nice if they offered replacement parts

[14:09:06]

|Torg|:

Ill assume you asked, I never had mine break so I never looked

[14:09:25]

coopster:

|Torg|, I happen to like the niveus RF/IR remotes FWIW, (and i've looked, they don't :-/)

[14:09:43]

Hhhhh:

any opinions on the IR remote that comes with the Hauppage 150 1045 vs. the MCE remote with the hauppage 150 1062?

[14:09:56]

Hhhhh:

range, etc

[14:10:25]

|Torg|:

coopster, im not against remote controlls I have quitea few and even activly use my harmony 880 (or I should say my wife does)

[14:10:32]

Dagmar:

Basically, I have a black version of http://ione-usa.com/reseller/index.php?target . . . product_id=7 which was dirt cheap

[14:10:43]

Dagmar:

I got it a couple months ago, haven't replaced the batteries yet

[14:10:54]

coopster:

::shrug:: at risk of being the "don't pick the available choice but tell the guy to get another part" guy, I'd go with an RF remote for ease of use.

[14:11:06]

coopster:

Hhhhh, ^^

[14:12:15]

Hhhhh:

also, would a GeForce FX 5200 suffice for MPEG-2 decoding?

[14:13:03]

Dagmar:

Yep

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|Torg|:

yes Hhhhh

[14:13:26]

Dagmar:

Seriously, just having an nVidia card is super useful for playback using XvMC

[14:13:44]

Dagmar:

It barely even matters which model (except for a few of the earlier 6xxx cards)

[14:14:34]

coopster:

Hrmm, if I'm playing an imported dvd (iso) though mythvideo over a NFS share and the video keeps stuttering, is that just network delay or could there be another cause?

[14:15:00]

|Torg|:

how you are playing it via NFS?

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coopster:

the mythvideo directory is on a nfs share

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|Torg|:

what is the bitrate of the video, what is the speed of the network? is it conntected to router, switch or hub?

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Dagmar:

Do you have a 10base-T network or something?

[14:16:10]

coopster:

well, i have it set up as a frontend that has the mythvideo directory from the backend mounted via NFS, is there a way to have the backend stream the video instead?

[14:16:18]

Dagmar:

Did you maybe make your own ethernet cables while drunk and by the light of a candle?"

[14:16:32]

coopster:

Switched network, 100mbs

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Dagmar:

Unless that other machine is very CPU-bound that should be quite fast enough

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coopster:

Dagmar, bought them from university tech store, so maybe =)

[14:16:58]

Dagmar:

Make sure you're not having throughput issues

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Dagmar:

Do like, an scp or something between the machines

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|Torg|:

umm no

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|Torg|:

scp != nfs

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coopster:

well, i could be confused about setting up mythvideo. it is the case that the video directory itself has to be accessible from the frontends and the frontend tries to read the file directly, right?

[14:17:59]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but if the machine can sustain a reasonable enough throughput using SCP then it sure as hell can't be CPU-bound for NFS

[14:18:09]

Dagmar:

coopster: That would be correct, yeah

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|Torg|:

yes but if you want to test nfs, test it

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|Torg|:

there are only about 20 differnt programs that do just that, some even have nausiating excel graphs to go along with it

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Dagmar:

bonnie++

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coopster:

bash: test-my-nfs-shares-pls-tks: command not found

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|Torg|:

go look up iobench

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|Torg|:

but given that he is on a 100mb switched netowrk, unelss eh is running multiple NFS servers I cant see it being a real issue

[14:20:15]

juski:

it's a popular misconception that mythtv's plugins stream content the same way mythtv itself streams TV

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|Torg|:

then of course that is looking at one piece of a puzzle and trying to draw a concolusion

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coopster:

I have bonnie++ running tests on the nfs directory, how long does that typically take?

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Dagmar:

Screw looking at little pieces

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview

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|Torg|:

Dagmar which exactly CEO are you pithcing myth to?

[14:25:33]

Dagmar:

Huh?

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Dagmar:

I like infographics.

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|Torg|:

executive summaries are used to advertise a product to the perople who pay for it rather then tto the pwople who use it

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Dagmar:

...and I got tired of seeing people asking questions about installation whose main problem was that they had no idea what it was supposed to "look like" once they were done.

[14:26:25]

|Torg|:

they typically had little or not information in them, and are barly even usuable

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: See, I'm an engineer, so to me "Executive Summary" means "uses small words"

[14:26:48]

Dagmar:

..."so executives can understand them"

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|Torg|:

im a sales enginner so executive summary means 5 minutes with the CEO

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coopster:

ouch. bonnie++ makes my processes unhappy++

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|Torg|:

but the picture is pretty :)

[14:28:46]

|Torg|:

I would change the "as many as you like" part about the frontends tho

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: There's your difference then

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Dagmar:

There's no "sales" in my title, therefore I couldn't care less if anyone buys it or not

[14:29:10]

Dagmar:

I just want it to work

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: Nah, if someone tries to set up 300 frontends off one box, they deserve what they get

[14:29:49]

|Torg|:

hell if I try o set up another frotnend I would fail

[14:30:08]

|Torg|:

having something to disply it on would sorta be a prerequisite :P

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|Torg|:

and belive me, if some of the people I talked to looked at this I would get questions back like "can I put one card in the master backend, becase you show two"

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CharlieSu:

Howdy all

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Cardoe:

CharlieSu: what'd ya break? :-D

[14:57:14]

CharlieSu:

Cardoe: nothing thank god.. everything works perfectly..

[14:57:35]

CharlieSu:

Cardoe: i actually just checked out everything from SVN trunk and did everythign manually and it works like a charm.. no ebuild

[14:58:51]

CharlieSu:

Works much better than i'd have ever expected.. i love the flash streaming..

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Cardoe:

to each their own

[15:01:09]

CharlieSu:

yeah..

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|Torg|:

Cardoe you dont like flash streaming, im assuming CharlieSu menat via mythweb

[15:03:18]

Cardoe:

I don't trust trunk enough yet for the WAF

[15:03:30]

Cardoe:

I also don't like to install anything without a package manager

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|Torg|:

WAF?

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Cardoe:

Wife Acceptance Factor

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CharlieSu:

yes.. i meant mythweb

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|Torg|:

ahh

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|Torg|:

I keep mine about 2 weeks back, and only update when there is a compelling reason to do so

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CharlieSu:

same with me.. only doing new SVN checkout if reason exists

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|Torg|:

how well does streaming work for you?

[15:05:29]

|Torg|:

mine is VERY slow, I cant figure out wht

[15:05:31]

|Torg|:

err why

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CharlieSu:

it is perfect for me.. i have crappy DSL and I can watch from work.. i love it

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CharlieSu:

never skips or anything

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|Torg|:

that and it seems to stutter and stop in the middle of playback

[15:07:04]

|Torg|:

its not that I really want it, its more eye candy then anything else. Im just womdering how you got it to work

[15:07:18]

|Torg|:

well I am trying to watch ATSC HD streams too

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CharlieSu:

i had to compile ffmpeg from their SVN

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CharlieSu:

I just have us-cable

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|Torg|:

my ffmepg isnt as issue afaik

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CharlieSu:

cool.. well mine was.. i didn't have sound and had to custom compile it with lame support

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|Torg|:

im thinking its a ffmpeg eating the cpu or a bad mepg input (most of atsc is like that) issue

[15:09:19]

|Torg|:

takes about 2 hours to convert a 1 hour show

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CharlieSu:

so i have a question.. i've never setup transcoding before.. right now a 30 min show takes up 1.1 GB.. is Transcoding my best bet?

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|Torg|:

dunno I never transcoded myslef, mostly becase of the little 1.5Ghz single core in my backend

[15:10:10]

|Torg|:

I apptempted to setup x264-farm and it seems to work, somewhat

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CharlieSu:

gotcha.. so how big is a 30min show for you?

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|Torg|:

the resultant video however I do not like

[15:10:24]

|Torg|:

a 30 min show is 3.5–4G

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CharlieSu:

wow

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|Torg|:

1 hr is 7–8G

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Cardoe:

CharlieSu: the default configs result in 30min of SD at 1.1G

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|Torg|:

thats ATSC for you :)

[15:10:47]

Cardoe:

|Torg|: your talkin about HD/Digital though

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CharlieSu:

Cardoe: SD?

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Cardoe:

SD = Standard Definition

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|Torg|:

yes im talking about 720P streams

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CharlieSu:

gotcha. default configs?? i'm using pvr150.. i didn't think mythtv had anythign to do w/ the encoding

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CharlieSu:

Cardoe: are you saying i can get better quality w/ my pvr150 than i currently am?

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|Torg|:

mythbackend does, slightly

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|Torg|:

mywebweb askes mythbackend for the file atributes, mythweb then calls ffmpeg to convert it

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Slyboots:

Hey, Got a strange issue, Set mythtv to record a show, and while it shows up in the "Recordings list" when I try to play it back I get a "File can not be found" error, When I went to check the mythtvbackend.log the log was totaly empty, its not made a log in about 20 days

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|Torg|:

did myth expire it?

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Slyboots:

So Im kidn of curious to.. what the hell happen?

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Slyboots:

Its a fresh recording

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CharlieSu:

how come the SVN version of mythweb doesn't show logs? My mythweb used to show logs on a tab..

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Slyboots:

It should have recordered it lesss than 5 hours ago

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|Torg|:

dunno CharlieSu, Ive seen mythweb flop back and forth between svn builds

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|Torg|:

I dont think I ever saw logs from it tho, writting a module to do that would not be too difficult tho

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|Torg|:

exp if you only have one myth box

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Cardoe:

CharlieSu: you could potentially... increase the bitrate of your mpeg2 stream

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Cardoe:

Slyboots: out of space?

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CharlieSu:

Cardoe: how do i do that?

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Slyboots:

Nope, over 120gb free

[15:15:00]

Slyboots:

ts in the recording list, it just has no file

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Cardoe:

Slyboots: it couldn't tune it properly

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Cardoe:

well it did tune it.. just got no data

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|Torg|:

Slyboots go look in your myth logs at or about the time it was suposed to record

[15:15:53]

Slyboots:

thats just it

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Cardoe:

he said he hasn't gotten any logs

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Slyboots:

There is no log

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|Torg|:

see if it failed to record it, see if it ran out of room, see if it coudlnt write the file

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|Torg|:

ahh, then create one and set it to run

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Slyboots:

Wtf? you right it could not tune into the station

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Slyboots:

What would cause a station to suddenly vanish like that

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Slyboots:

(L_S) Partial lock

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|Torg|:

bad/wrong tuning data, bcasters moved it

[15:17:12]

Slyboots:

Can I rescan for *just* that station?

[15:17:16]

|Torg|:

what is the channel you are trying to record?

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Slyboots:

"ITV2"

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|Torg|:

is that DVB-T?

[15:18:23]

Slyboots:

Yes

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Slyboots:

I would rather not do a total rescan, as I had to enter XmlTV data by hand in order for it to match up

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|Torg|:

I assume you use tzap like I use azap, did you test it?

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Slyboots:

which was about as fun as pulling teeth

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Slyboots:

It *was* working, I have several recordsing from that station before hand

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|Torg|:

its also posible you could not recive the chanel from some signal degrdation

[15:19:29]

|Torg|:

I get that one some of mine, it just fails to tune it in

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|Torg|:

its psoible, but unlikly they screwed with the NIT too

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Slyboots:

all the other stations are fine, Seems odd that this one would just break

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|Torg|:

US cable comapnies do that, I havnt seen it on ATSC tho

[15:20:53]

Slyboots:

Wel, I dont mind trying a rescan as long as it odes nto damage my other station-data

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|Torg|:

it shouldnt, all myth shoudl do is say it fond the same channel and not overwrite it

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|Torg|:

I created a spertate table in my mythconfig database with xmltv ids

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|Torg|:

that way I can lnk the channel to the xmltvid every time TMS barfed its xml data, that wont be an issue soon I hope

[15:22:06]

|Torg|:

what do you use for listing data?

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Slyboots:

Xmltv with the RT grabberm then I went into Mythtv-setup and hand-edited each station to match the data provided

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|Torg|:

so you know the xmltvids for each station?

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Slyboots:

Since it was creating duplicates of all the stations, ones with listing data but no signal and one with signal, but no listing data

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Slyboots:

I dont have them written down, but sure

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|Torg|:

how confidnet are you with SQL and using mysql command line?

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Slyboots:

Uh.. So-so

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|Torg|:

well create a table, some way or how (I did a insert selct) containing the xmltvid, name, and channel for your staions

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|Torg|:

you can then use that table to repopulate the xmltvid

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|Torg|:

if you understand sql its not that difficult, the hardest part is to create the table

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|Torg|:

that or go back and hand edit the xmltvis again, your choice :)

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** Slyboots nods **

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Cardoe:

he should simply be able to follow the backing up MythTV database to move to new hardware instructions

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|Torg|:

yes Cardoe except what hes doing is rescanning and posibly changing channel dfenitions

[15:31:10]

Cardoe:

afaik, that backup doesn't store the freq and such

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Cardoe:

just the xmltvids and the chan names

[15:31:28]

Cardoe:

but, I agree.. it would be better to do the straight SQL

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|Torg|:

I thought you wre refering to a dump of the mysql databse

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Cardoe:

I was, but only of specific tables

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|Torg|:

the channel table has tuning data in it then

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|Torg|:

basicly I do a update channel c, xmldata x set c.xmltvid=x.xmltvid where not c.xmltvid and c.channum=x.channum

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|Torg|:

xmltvdata being the table I created with the channel to xmltvid mappings

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|Torg|:

err xmldata

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Slyboots:

Man xml update is taking its time

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CharlieSu:

Can anyone tell me the best way to transcode us-cable. what codec works best?

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Cardoe:

depends on what you're inputting

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Cardoe:

and how much CPU you've got

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Cardoe:

pvr-150?

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CharlieSu:

yes.. 150.. and p4 3.2 ghz

[15:48:07]

Cardoe:

so you can go to mpeg4 if you want

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Dagmar:

XviD FTW!

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|Torg|:

what video output format takes the least ammount of CPU?

[15:55:41]

Cardoe:

RTjpeg

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Cardoe:

aka Nuppel

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|Torg|:

im trying to see if I can get my BE to stream, right now its doing it at about 1/5 rate

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|Torg|:

so it would take about 5 hours to convert a 1 hour show, of course my web broswer wont sit for 5 hours on request

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juski:

so to folks checking out themes from svn – there's a big gotcha with that – well maybe not so big if you can be bothered to edit the xml yourself

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juski:

and that is.. the themes in there have extra icons which will get drawn regardless of whether they're supported in the code or not. confusion will result ;)

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|Torg|:

juski, what?

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tremby:

hey folks. i asked this over on #linuxtv but the place seems dead. i've just got dvb-t up and running. the initial frequencies file for my area "uk-Midhurst" gave nothing, so i tried all the other uk files and got best results with the Liverpool one (which, strangely, is halfway up the country). i've sorted my channels.conf now and i have two frequencies for many of the channels. for instance bbc one has one with fec_2_3, qam_64 and one with fec_3_4, qa

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juski:

tremby: the frequencies DVB-T run on carry much more than just 'a channel' ;)

[16:09:26]

tremby:

juski: you know what i mean — "entries" would have been a better word.

[16:09:38]

juski:

and FYI, the BBC multiplex is QAM16, not QAM64, so if you picked up BBC ONE & got the freq. with QAM64 on it, that's very very wrong

[16:09:57]

juski:

are you using the 'scan' app from dvbutils ?

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tremby:

i'm using scandvb from the fedora core 6 extras repository, which i believe is the same thing

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tremby:

i can tune into bbc1 with qam64 and qam16, both work

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juski:

if the initial tuning file for your area doesn't yield anything I very much doubt any other area's file will – at least not with results you can trust

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tremby:

it did, though

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juski:

course that depends where your aerial is pointed

[16:11:17]

tremby:

nothing for the nearest transmitter, tons for liverpool area. i guess they just use the same frequencies

[16:11:30]

tremby:

i'm certainly not picking up liverpool's signal — it's way too far away

[16:12:02]

juski:

right now until they switch analogue off, the freq. each mux uses are well mixed up to avoid interfering with other areas

[16:12:37]

tremby:

that's not the point though — fact is that for many channels including bbc1, i have two working entries in channels.conf:

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tremby:

BBC ONE:490166670:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_8_MHZ:FEC_2_3:FEC_1_2:QAM_64:TRANSMISSION _MODE_2K:GUARD_INTERVAL_1_32:HIERARCHY_NONE:600:601:4163

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tremby:

BBC ONE:489833330:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_8_MHZ:FEC_3_4:FEC_3_4:QAM_16:TRANSMISSION _MODE_2K:GUARD_INTERVAL_1_32:HIERARCHY_NONE:600:601:4163

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juski:

if you can borrow/beg/steal a Freeview STB to test your aerial setup with, I recommend you do that

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tremby:

excuse the paste

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tremby:

there's nothing to test — both work fine. i just want to know which i should be using, if there is actually any difference

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juski:

BBC1 on QAM64? that doesn't sound right

[16:13:14]

tremby:

it works

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juski:

they're all gonna switch to QAM64 & a transmission mode of 8k come the switchoff but that's years away in most places

[16:14:01]

juski:

tremby: which one produces more channels?

[16:14:08]

tremby:

maybe we're high tech down here in southampton. i take it from that that qam64 is better?

[16:14:17]

tremby:

i'll do a search, hang on...

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juski:

no qam64 on 2k is worse than qam16 on 2k

[16:14:45]

juski:

qam64 on 8k is however better than qam16 on 2k, allegedly

[16:15:22]

juski:

and that happens to be the reason that come the death of analogue TV, all those old ondigital boxes will be rendered quite (as in completely) useless

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tremby:

echo "`grep -c QAM_64 channels.conf` `grep -c QAM_16 channels.conf`"

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tremby:

45 86

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juski:

no I meant which initial tuning file gets you the most channels?

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tremby:

oh i see

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tremby:

uk-Storeton

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juski:

another thing you can do is run tzap on a mux from each of the scans, and check the numbers coming out of it – aim for as low a BER & UNC as possible. UNC should preferably be zero, since it stands for 'uncorrectable errors'

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tremby:

storeton's 240 miles away...

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juski:

jees

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juski:

are you testing this little lot with a feed direct from the aerial btw? If not, I'd advise you try that ASAP because splitting a cable too many ways without an amp is bad for signals

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tremby:

direct, yes

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juski:

infact, even with an amp it can be dodgy

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tremby:

not sure how to go about this tzap a mux from each

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tremby:

since the scan for my area gives no channels whatsoever

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juski:

so do you currently get good analogue from Midhurst ?

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tremby:

well there are analogue-only transmitters much closer

[16:19:27]

tremby:

but not especially, no

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tremby:

analogue's pretty poor all over southampton as far as i've seen

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juski:

have you tried the freeview postcode checker?

[16:19:52]

tremby:

yeah, i should (and do) get everything

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juski:

ok. so have you run tzap or kaffeine & got your tuner to produce working pictures?

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tremby:

absolutely, yeah

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tremby:

tzap + mplayer

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juski:

if yes, you can prolly just fire up mythtv-setup as normal & scan for channels

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tremby:

ah, i haven't even installed mythtv, i assumed i had to get my channels sorted first

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juski:

you've done the most important part already – i.e. verifying the hardware is working on your box

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tremby:

great

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tremby:

so basically, if i do go through a channels.conf i want to choose the qam16 where possible

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juski:

not necessarily

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juski:

I think that might be what you'd call a hole in my knowledge – I'd just never heard of a BBC mux using QAM64

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tremby:

okey dokey

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tremby:

well thanks

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juski:

you *shouldn't* need the channels.conf for mythtv-setup

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tremby:

i'll install mythtv now and have a play

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CharlieSu:

Cardoe: is mpeg4 better than xvid or other codecs?

[16:23:26]

tremby:

xvid is a type of mpeg4 i think

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Cardoe:

xvid is a type of mpeg4

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juski:

and er.. dunno quite how to put this but I've not encountered many people in here who've gone to the effort of doing preliminary checks before playing with mythtv – so erm.. awesome!

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CharlieSu:

ok. so that is what I should use then? also, to setup do I have to goto mythtv-setup? meaning i have to turn the backend off?

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Cardoe:

no

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Cardoe:

it's in the frontend

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CharlieSu:

Cardoe: setting up transcoding options is in the frontend?

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Cardoe:

if I remember right

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Cardoe:

I don't use or do it

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Cardoe:

so I dunno

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iamlindoro:

You can set it up in either IIRC

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juski:

CharlieSu: if you've not yet looked in the mythtv wiki, I would if I were you

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CharlieSu:

ok thanks

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juski:

I'm not suggesting for a minute that the solution is *definitely* in there, but it's worth a look ;)

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CharlieSu:

juski: i have actually spent many hours there.. thanks for the tip though..

[16:28:51]

juski:

that's the 2nd time somebody has surprised me today. stop it! ;)

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CharlieSu:

lol

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juski:

next thing I know I'll be seeing somebody come in here asking a question about something in the manual they didn't quite understand. get the defibrilator ready

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iamlindoro:

lol

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juski:

actually scratch that. it's more likely we'll see peace in the Middle East in time for Christmas

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cesman:

Christmas in the year 1956557676468

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juski:

I'll never make it to then if I keep coming in here

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cesman:

scratch that, the sun will be gone by then

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cesman:

taking the earth w/ it

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cesman:

if we have not done so ourselves

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juski:

CharlieSu: re transcoding – the only thing you should need to visit mythtv-setup to do is change whether transcoding jobs are allowed to run or not, and the times they can run between

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vanP3lt:

hi, does mythtv rather use /tmp or /var/tmp?

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juski:

vanP3lt: what do you mean exactly? you can specify anything that uses temp files to use any directory you want

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juski:

stuff like transcoding, mytharchive etc.. AFAIK

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GreyFoxx:

vanP3lt: the only think myth would store in /tmp would be a tempt file for the listings data if it's downloaded from zap2it/schedulesdirect

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vanP3lt:

I am just partitioning my harddrive for mythtv and was wondering if i should mount my seperate "tmp" partition on /tmp or on /var/tmp

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GreyFoxx:

and that shouldbe removed

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iamlindoro:

Wow... an actual tmp *partition*...

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GreyFoxx:

vanP3lt: up to you, myth wont care

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GreyFoxx:

with uses /tmp only for that data download

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cesman:

vanP3lt: you do not need a huge /tmp

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vanP3lt:

ok. thank you a lot

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GreyFoxx:

as long as /tmp works (real or symlink or whatever) myth will be happey

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vanP3lt:

thanks a lot

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juski:

wonder what the weather's gonna be like this weekend. if it's crappy I might just try & crack on with that plugin idea again

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|Torg|:

has anyone gotten mythweb to sucessfully stream an HD recording?

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tremby:

trying to install mythtv on fedora core 6. i'm getting "Error: Missing Dependency: faad2 < 2.5 is needed by package ffmpeg-libs"

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kash:

what's ITVC?

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|Torg|:

does anyone have asx streaming working?

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juski:

kash: ivtv you mean?

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kash:

no, ivtc

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juski:

kash: in what context?

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kash:

it means inverse telecine, but i dunno what that means

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|Torg|:

inverse telecine is how mpeg does motion

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|Torg|:

its a computation

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juski:

ah. so look up inverse telecine then ;)

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|Torg|:

I think he was looking in the documentioan for xvmc

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juski:

basically kinda turning progressive content like film into 'high quality' interlaced video

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kash:

no i saw it on an.. nfo file.

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juski:

ah no it isn't. it's to try & turn content which has been treated in the above way back into progressive

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juski:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecine

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kash:

so in theory it could be used on 1080i to make 1080p?

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kash:

or 720p

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|Torg|:

I and P are disply options they have nothign to do with video

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juski:

yeah, but it's not work the effort

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kash:

interlaced and progressive scan

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kash:

it's a resolution thing, |Torg|

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|Torg|:

video is 1920x1080, 1080I is an interlaced or 1920x520 doubble scan rate

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juski:

it's a kind of deinterlacing, if you like, inverse telecine

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|Torg|:

its a resolution thiung to your monitor, not the video

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kash:

i took some codine so i'm not too smart right now :)

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juski:

|Torg|: video can be 1080i or 1080p

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juski:

or 720p or 720i.. (etc yada yada)

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kash:

480i is sdtv, right?

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juski:

yes kash

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|Torg|:

EDTV

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juski:

well, NTSC is 480 lines of interlaced video

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juski:

nothing 'enhanced' about it

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|Torg|:

sorry I was thinking of 480P

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kash:

480i is not EDTV

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kash:

lol

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kash:

480p and 576p are

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juski:

you could say a rule of thumb is anything under 600 lines of interlaced content is SDTV ;)

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juski:

EDTV is kinda no-man's land which shouldn't really exist – it only confuzzles folks

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kash:

it's just a marketing term

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juski:

I was gonna say BS

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kash:

?

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juski:

as in what comes out of the rear end of male cows

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kash:

yeah, why?

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juski:

marketing term == BS

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kash:

In the United States, the ATSC official DTV formats include SDTV and HDTV. EDTV is not technically considered part of the HDTV standard.

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kash:

Enhanced-definition television, extended-definition television, or EDTV is a CEA marketing shorthand term for certain digital television (DTV) formats and devices.

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juski:

or bullshit, in other words

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juski:

;)

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kash:

i don't get it.. are you calling the name EDTV bs or the way i called it a marketing term?

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juski:

kash: marketing terms are commonly known as bullshit here

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kash:

oh ok

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juski:

blind the customer with tech terms & hope they're impressed enough to buy it

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kash:

yeah, xactly.

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juski:

flim-flam

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kash:

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kash:

heh

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kash:

we get them in 1080i here.

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|Torg|:

who fox?

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juski:

I downloaded a 720P test clip from somewhere & to be completely brutal it didn't look any better than our 720i mpeg2 terrestrial broadcasts

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kash:

yes

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|Torg|:

the bradcast is 720P here

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kash:

Apple HD?

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juski:

having seen NTSC grabs though, I can fully understand why HD is wowing you guys so

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kash:

heh

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juski:

especially since your screens have been the size of football pitches since the year dot

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kash:

NTSC is utter crap unless it comes from a DSR

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juski:

1, it's digital, so no nasty chroma phase errors

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juski:

2. it's digital, so less chance of nasty interference making the picture wobble due to too many channels being stuffed in

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juski:

3. no need for any 'fine tuning', because it's digital ;)

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|Torg|:

NTSC is a result of standarising too early

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juski:

NTSC is partly the result of that, and being forced to be backwards compatible

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kash:

more what juski said than what torg said

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juski:

I bet manufacturers winced when the framerate changed from a flat 30fps to 29.97

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|Torg|:

kash go look up the history of NTSC and of NBC and RCA specifly

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juski:

had a kinda interesting afternoon reading up about silicon tuners today. they're mighty clever chips

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|Torg|:

teh framerate is a reult of robbing badwidth for the VBI

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juski:

|Torg|: it's not. it's a result of the chroma frequency & it having to fit into a given bandwidth

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|Torg|:

in any case I doubt eh old vacuum tubes in the tvs woulad match a frequency that exactly

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juski:

that's why video signals have sync pulses

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Slyboots:

Right, I rescanned finaly

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Slyboots:

Lost some of the XmlTV data, but a lot of the channels are back and working better than tehy were before

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Slyboots:

So its a nice tradeoff as far as Im conserned

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juski:

|Torg|: "In order to minimise interference between the chtominance signal and FM sound carrier the addition of the color subcarrier also required a slight reduction of the frame rate from 30 frames per second to 30/1.001 (very close to 29.97) frames per second, and changing the line frequency from 15,750Hz to 15,734.26Hz"

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|Torg|:

hmm I always thoght they did that to fully scan to the VBI

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juski:

both sound pretty plausible anyway, and I wasn't there when it was decided to make it 29.97 so I won't argue the toss

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rambo3:

E2-E4

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mkrufky:

I'm looking for somebody with one of the following boards to run a quick test for me: bttv: 3Dfx VoodooTV FM (Euro) , VoodooTV 200 (USA); cx88: MSI TV-@nywhere Master, MSI TV-@nywhere; saa7134: Pinnacle PCTV Stereo, "Pinnacle PCTV 300i DVB-T + PAL ..... anybody?

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|Torg|:

nor was I, altho I do have a very old BW sony tv with a 4" screen

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juski:

|Torg|: if you saw any VBI data on that, it wasn't lined up right. sets from way back prolly had heaps more overscan than those today

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juski:

kayelem is the gal to tell you all about TV standards.. she's had mythtv running on a 405-line TV :O

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|Torg|:

they do, VBI data wasnt added untill the 1970's I belvie, it used to be jsut that blank

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|Torg|:

I can see it today when they pilarbox the SD data into HD formats

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juski:

time to allow charge in the flyback transformer to change enough IIRC

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|Torg|:

its suposed to let the gun run all the way though its veritcal trace, it allows timing so the picuture "lines up"

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|Torg|:

otherwise you would end up with frame jitter

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juski:

it's high time there was a proper worldwide video standard anyway

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juski:

and a worldwide, universally acknowledged disc format (!!)

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|Torg|:

I think thats what HDTV is supsoed to be, now if we can jsut get them to brodcast it al the same damn way

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juski:

then I remember I live on planet Earth

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juski:

|Torg|: nah in the UK we'll have 1080i50. bah!

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|Torg|:

when we assassinate the MPAA and get rif of the draconian distribution system, then we wil have one disc format

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juski:

so long as mugs keep going to the cinema & buying LoTR box sets etc, the movie industry & the MPAA will remain the same

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|Torg|:

its because the sheeple dont know any better

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juski:

it'd be fun if rather than adopting early, folks decided to wait & see which disc format succeeds – then neither would & they'd have to come up with something else

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|Torg|:

every manufactory wants to be like Philips and corner the market on a certain format

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juski:

the whole 2 disc format thing is just lunacy IMHO

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|Torg|:

why do you have 220V and we have 110V?

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juski:

phillips were smart & licenced the tech to everybody

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|Torg|:

why did JVC beat out BEtMax (no wait that was for porn)

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juski:

heh. beta was cool. way better Q than VHS

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|Torg|:

yea but JVC was cheaper and you gota have your porn

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juski:

I think piracy had a role to play there too

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|Torg|:

piracy has never had a significant role in movies, or istribution

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|Torg|:

even today the MPAA lies about its numbers, GROSSLY

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|Torg|:

DirecTV would could losses due to piracy and it took the US IRS to tell them to stuff it

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|Torg|:

priacy has been the scapegoat of the bordcasting industry for at least the last 3 decades

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juski:

it did where I lived – we used to go round a neighbours house to watch films – all were copies, or copies of copies. then a guy started renting videos out from the boot of his car & we watched originals

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|Torg|:

rememebr the guys in the pubs with pic cards?

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juski:

it's impossible to say that piracy isn't rife though. of course nobody knows the *true* numbers so anything we or the MPAA say is just speculation

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|Torg|:

when they stopedd doing that how much did the revinews of DirectTC go up? (ill ive you a hint it was downwards)

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|Torg|:

its been shown many times over that piracy has little or no impact on current revenew

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|Torg|:

and in fact it has been noted as enhacing revinew and market share in some cases

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juski:

there was a rumour here that Murdoch's TV company Sky bankrolled an Israeli company to crack the encryption of OnDigital/ITVDigital

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juski:

.. in the UK – and I could believe it. rumour said it went to court.. no idea what the outcome was

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juski:

|Torg|: well, if Virgin Media allowed me to connect my own gear to the cable, and they let me get my own CAM & gave me an extra card, I'd no doubt sign up for the full package. They don't though, so I won't

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|Torg|:

Ive alwasy wonders about how much money is spent on companies like nagra vision vs how much "property" is really protected

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juski:

one company ending up rich, no matter what the outcome. look at Macrovision ;)

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|Torg|:

hell if I could get a dvb-s card (and lets not get into 8PSK turbo hell) and a real nagra2 CI I go for it

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|Torg|:

I cant even firewire by dishnet boxes

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juski:

there used to be modded boxes available for that IIRC, but they were (are?) probably very very naughty

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|Torg|:

umm yes there is modded software and hardware to do just that, and yes its quite illegal

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kash:

i wonder if i got HD thru Charter could I get the firewire boxen

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|Torg|:

as would be toreenting things I cant recive like torchwood

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juski:

it's gonna be interesting to see what happens about 5C soon

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juski:

might open doors for us over here too

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|Torg|:

5C has already screwed up more then one persons DVR and they switched to ATSC because of it

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juski:

I'm naturally pessimistic though, so I won't hold my breaht for things getting any better

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|Torg|:

im really wondering when they dont 5C like ATSC too

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|Torg|:

if comcast has its way you would pay every time you turned on your TV

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juski:

has the broadcast flag issue really gone away? I fear not

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juski:

even in Europe they're making inroads toward bringing in serious restrictions that'll make the broadcast flag look like playtime in toytown

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|Torg|:

if we make lobiests illegal it would help :)

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juski:

thankfully when you're playing the stuff back in software you can do what you like with the flag

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|Torg|:

I dont know enough about UK polotics to know if they are as much a pain for you as they are for us

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juski:

not so much lobbyists, but politicians have been known to be 'bought' by commercial interests

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|Torg|:

hell they contribute directly to the campains here

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juski:

same here

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|Torg|:

and I woudltn paraphrase it as bign bought, it is buying them

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juski:

there's been talk of capping the max donation from one source to £1m, but I doubt it'll happen

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kash:

torg

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kash:

that anti-lobbiest law is working

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|Torg|:

if I pay you $20 to wash my car isnt that paying you for service?

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|Torg|:

it will work when we make lobbitests illegal

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juski:

yeah but isn't the idea that politicians service the interests of the people, for free?

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juski:

not "hey guy, I want this new law, here's $10m"

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juski:

|Torg|: is there a lobby to stop the anti-lobby lobby though ? ;)

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kash:

lol

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kash:

there's a lobbiest lobbying for the anti-lobbying law

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juski:

if so, you could all chip in & fund an anti-lobby to stop the lobby to stop the anti-lobby lobby

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|Torg|:

juski at least you dont have lobbitests writing you laws for you

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juski:

|Torg|: as far as we know we don't

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juski:

it only takes one MP to table a bill & convince enough people to vote for it

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|Torg|:

we only catch them once in a while, we keep the laws tho

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|Torg|:

our DMCA is an example of one

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juski:

what? even when they're caught out, the laws aren't reversed? why bother even punishing the perps then?

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kash:

DMCA, IMO, is a good thing

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kash:

i think

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|Torg|:

DMCA specialy infringes on fair use

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kash:

oh

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|Torg|:

I would LOVE to watch DVDs on my myth box

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kash:

fuck it then

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|Torg|:

you dont crack CSS do you?

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juski:

fair use has been a legal grey area/minefield for ages now

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kash:

On May 22, 2001, the European Union passed the EU Copyright Directive or EUCD, similar in many ways to the DMCA.

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kash:

i do.

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|Torg|:

I poersonly thing I should be able to watch a DVD i bought on a tv that I boguht

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|Torg|:

using libdvdcss is illegal

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juski:

|Torg|: dvdcss is more about paying macrovision their due

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kash:

oh well

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juski:

(IMHO)

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|Torg|:

yes juski them too

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juski:

give them their $2 per player or whatever they want & they go away

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juski:

I'd pay that quite happily

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|Torg|:

its more like $500,000 for a key

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juski:

yeah but a per-unit price isn't much

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juski:

it can't be or the product wouldn't be economically viable

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kash:

The DMCA has been criticized for forcing all companies producing analog video equipment to support the proprietary copy protection technology of a particular commercial firm (Macrovision). The producers of video equipment are forced by law to support the Macrovision technology to the financial benefit of Macrovision whereas those who build the video equipment get nothing in compensation.

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kash:

wow, wtf

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juski:

you can buy a DVD player for Windows for like $20 or less now. I really wouldn't mind having to shell out that for great DVD playback

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kash:

talking about lobbying

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|Torg|:

to be exact if you use a hacked stb or whatever to outrgiht steal dishnet or directtv, you are in viloation of the DMCA

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juski:

infact some distros are fully legit wrt mp3 & dvd playback ;)

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|Torg|:

they wont do a damn thing to you about signal theft

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juski:

anyway I need to watch some mythtv now

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juski:

ttyl guys

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|Torg|:

im still trying to fix my asx streaming

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|Torg|:

take care

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kash:

torg

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kash:

how is it a violation of the DMCA?

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|Torg|:

you are cracking the keys to get it to work

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|Torg|:

I can go look up the specfic secion on decrytion if you like

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kash:

sure

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|Torg|:

http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/

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|Torg|:

thats a start, leme see if I can find a actual copy online

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|Torg|:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c105:1: . . . Mewa:e11962:

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zachtib:

hi, i've installed mythtv on my desktop running 64bit ubuntu 7.04 using a HD3000 card. however, i can't record anything. i can watch live tv just fine, but when i select a program, set to record, and press "save settings" it still lists the program as "will not record" can someone help me debug this issue?

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kash:

firewalls are even against the DMCA

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kash:

brb

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DustyBin:

MythTV eat your heart out

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DustyBin:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6958233.stm

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|Torg|:

firewalls arent, at least not in that argument, NAT is however (or could be seen as)

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GreyFoxx:

DustyBin: Hehe have fun

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GreyFoxx:

Sony made, probably DRM filled limited ability software :)

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|Torg|:

its probbly has a creidt card slot too and requires a conntection to the internet

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GreyFoxx:

DustyBin: People have myth running on the PS3 and apparently it's working pretty well now

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GreyFoxx:

or so some ps3 users have said anyway

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kash:

i say so.

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kash:

conversion uses it, tv recording can't :(

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kash:

unless i get a USB tuner, which isn't going to happenl

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zachtib:

does anyone know where i should even start to fix this?

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kash:

|Torg|: http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=336

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kash:

zachtib: check backend logs?

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|Torg|:

kash those are state laws that are emmending the DMCA

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|Torg|:

of them the one for Texas wasnt passed

[19:32:31]

|Torg|:

I dunno about the rest

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zachtib:

i'm having this pop up alot in the log; 2007-08–22 15:23:07.539 MythSocket(762510:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket.

[19:33:50]

CharlieSu:

|Torg|: where in TX are you?

[19:33:56]

|Torg|:

Keene

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kash:

i'm in Spring.

[19:34:03]

zachtib:

nvm for now, i'll be back in a few

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|Torg|:

why did you assume I was :P

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CharlieSu:

I'm in Austin

[19:34:09]

kash:

i don't know where keene is :/

[19:34:18]

CharlieSu:

i don't either.. where is keene?

[19:34:19]

|Torg|:

I know wher Sping is

[19:34:24]

kash:

|Torg| is n=Torg@ppp-70-251-226-78.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net * Torg

[19:34:26]

kash:

:P

[19:34:36]

kash:

you're up by dallas or san antonio?

[19:34:50]

|Torg|:

from Austin, up 35 to 35W tarf Fort Work, about half way from hillsboro

[19:35:01]

|Torg|:

go google it

[19:35:05]

CharlieSu:

i did

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kash:

you're about 1–2 hours away from me

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|Torg|:

kash I wish, you ever drive up 35?

[19:36:03]

kash:

nope

[19:36:13]

|Torg|:

its more like a 4 hour drive

[19:36:18]

CharlieSu:

i have.. not to bad

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|Torg|:

sorry up 45 not 35

[19:36:30]

kash:

i use 45

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|Torg|:

35 is a pakring lot

[19:36:42]

kash:

45 goes from Galveston to Dallas

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kash:

quickest way

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CharlieSu:

depends on when.. going north isn't bad.. not from Austin

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kash:

but people drive like crazy folk on there

[19:37:39]

kash:

|Torg|: yeah, it is more like 4 hours. i had the map zoomed out and didn't see how close you are to dallas.

[19:37:48]

kash:

i've driven to dallas for just pancakes once

[19:37:48]

|Torg|:

I have land down near Flatonia, I drive down 95 specifly so I dont ahve to rive 35

[19:38:19]

|Torg|:

one you hit Temple 35 is usually packed untill San Antonio

[19:38:25]

kash:

man, i really have no clue where anything in texas is

[19:38:32]

kash:

i thought san antonio was north of houston

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|Torg|:

Ive lived here for 40 years :)

[19:38:38]

kash:

i've lived here 13

[19:38:42]

|Torg|:

san antomis is west of houston

[19:38:52]

|Torg|:

well mostly west, a bit south too

[19:39:10]

kash:

according to google maps, mexico doesn't exist

[19:39:29]

kash:

it does, i just mean there's nothing there :p

[19:39:50]

|Torg|:

I take it you have never been to Mexico

[19:39:58]

floppyears:

I have two tuners, but when tuner1 is recording on channel 1, and then I use tuner 2 to view channel1. Channel1 is laggy and the audio gets out of sync

[19:40:10]

floppyears:

is this a common problem ?

[19:40:14]

kash:

floppy, what type of tuners?

[19:40:19]

kash:

lamegrabbers or MPEG?

[19:40:27]

floppyears:

hauppage 150 both of them

[19:40:37]

kash:

what CPU?

[19:40:49]

floppyears:

amd dual core 3800+

[19:41:13]

kash:

shouldn't be a problem

[19:41:18]

kash:

at all

[19:41:23]

kash:

how much memory?

[19:41:27]

floppyears:

1GB

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floppyears:

ddr2

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kash:

then there's something wrong :p

[19:42:27]

kash:

and i dunno what it is because i have two lamegrabbers

[19:42:32]

kash:

check your logs, first of all

[19:42:53]

floppyears:

darn, I can't ssh to that machine now :(

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Nik_Doof:

where can i find a list of encoder states that appear in the backend XML output?

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mkrufky:

I hope nobody minds me posting this again.... I posted two hours ago. It's for a good cause.....

[20:14:45]

mkrufky:

I'm looking for somebody with one of the following boards to run a quick test for me: bttv: 3Dfx VoodooTV FM (Euro) , VoodooTV 200 (USA); cx88: MSI TV-@nywhere Master, MSI TV-@nywhere; saa7134: Pinnacle PCTV Stereo, Pinnacle PCTV 300i DVB-T + PAL ..... anybody?

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|Torg|:

cx88?

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mkrufky:

well, i tried to break down the list of six cards by the driver

[20:18:40]

|Torg|:

oh ok

[20:18:48]

|Torg|:

I was gogi to say cx88 is ALLOT of differnt cards

[20:18:58]

mkrufky:

of those that need testing that are supported by the cx88 driver, i only need to hear about the MSI TV-@nywhere cards

[20:19:30]

mkrufky:

in reality, all I _really_ need to test is the mt2032 / mt2050 tuners, that are supported by mt20xx ... but most users dont know what tuner is used on their devices

[20:20:08]

AndyCap:

most people running myth probably use a ivtv card though

[20:20:25]

AndyCap:

did have a saa7134 but not with that tuner.

[20:20:29]

mkrufky:

yeah, but im just trying to reach whomever i can, AndyCap

[20:20:41]

mkrufky:

ive posted in other channels as well

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mkrufky:

i have refactored the analog tuner.ko module such that all hardware-specific code has been ripped out and converted to dvb_frontend style modules, leaving tuner-core as a a v4l2 / i2c_client wrapper .... this opens the door to finally have truly hybrid tuner modules

[20:21:25]

AndyCap:

about time.

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mkrufky:

:-)

[20:21:38]

AndyCap:

thank you

[20:21:42]

mkrufky:

yup... just that one tuner needs testing still

[20:21:45]

mkrufky:

you're welcome

[20:22:09]

mkrufky:

the new code is here: http://linuxtv.org/hg/~mkrufky/tuner-refactor-phase-1

[20:22:10]

|Torg|:

closest I can get to you is my dvb-s cards, that are cx based

[20:22:17]

AndyCap:

maybe there's finally hope for my dvb-t stick.

[20:22:20]

mkrufky:

we can expect to see it in kernel 2.6.24

[20:22:47]

AndyCap:

sweetness.

[20:23:14]

mkrufky:

this is only phase 1 so far ... i explained all the future plans for the refactoring in an RFC on the devel mailing lists ... http://linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2007-August/019950.html

[20:24:12]

mkrufky:

i HOPE to get it all done in time for 2.6.24, but no promises

[20:24:16]

kash:

|Torg|: what capture cards do you have

[20:24:38]

AndyCap:

mkrufky: hehe, thats ok. any news on progress is good news.

[20:25:08]

kash:

brb

[20:26:13]

|Torg|:

two ari2pc cards, and two nexus-s cards

[20:26:44]

mkrufky:

fyi, the AirStar HD5000 is broken in 2.6.22

[20:27:01]

mkrufky:

j-rod helped a LOT in fixing it ... the fix will be sent to the stable team in a few days

[20:27:21]

mkrufky:

(i only mentioned it, because that might be one of |Torg|'s cards)

[20:27:37]

|Torg|:

these are SkyStar2 cards, there borken only becase the kernels dont include firmware for them

[20:27:44]

|Torg|:

I had to get them direct from ahuppage

[20:27:51]

mkrufky:

oh , totally different animal

[20:27:56]

|Torg|:

yes

[20:28:36]

|Torg|:

the only real issue with them is that they are suposed to be only one in a box, one shows up with a mac address of 00:00:00:00:00:00

[20:28:43]

|Torg|:

other then that they work fine, always have

[20:28:59]

kash:

back

[20:29:32]

mkrufky:

does mac address matter?

[20:29:38]

|Torg|:

no

[20:29:38]

mkrufky:

it doesnt matter in atsc-land

[20:29:48]

mkrufky:

ah, ok then :-)

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|Torg|:

not in atsc, which is why I said its minor

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|Torg|:

find me a way to network over the things and I may reconsider :)

[20:30:14]

mkrufky:

skystar2 cards dont do atsc

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kash:

o.o

[20:30:23]

kash:

how do you do ATSC on those

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|Torg|:

how? with an antenna

[20:30:38]

|Torg|:

what do you mean by how?

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AndyCap:

airstar or skystar?

[20:30:54]

|Torg|:

same same

[20:30:58]

mkrufky:

skystar2 != airstar

[20:31:01]

mkrufky:

and no, not same

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|Torg|:

b2c2-flexcop: initialization of 'Air2PC/AirStar 2 ATSC 1st generation' at the 'PCI' bus controlled by a 'FlexCopIIb' complete

[20:31:08]

mkrufky:

skystar2 != air2pc

[20:31:22]

mkrufky:

they use the same bridge , thats all

[20:31:42]

mkrufky:

the b2c2-flexcop driver supports all of the above

[20:31:50]

|Torg|:

has a BCM3510 QAM/VSB frontend

[20:31:51]

mkrufky:

the name of your cards is "air2pc"

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kash:

how much are those, |Torg|?

[20:32:04]

mkrufky:

yup — thats the air2pc rev2

[20:32:11]

mkrufky:

you can get one on ebay mad cheap

[20:32:16]

mkrufky:

:-)

[20:32:16]

|Torg|:

you cant buy them anymore kash

[20:32:22]

kash:

:(

[20:32:33]

|Torg|:

yes its what I told you they were, well I mistyped it, but it is what I meant :P

[20:32:44]

|Torg|:

kash why do you want them?

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mkrufky:

kash: $35 http://cgi.ebay.com/Air2PC-ATSC-Digital-HDTV- . . . cmdZViewItem

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MrSassyPants:

Question: Does BTTV use DMA?

[20:33:00]

kash:

i need a new HD card

[20:33:02]

kash:

i saw that

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kash:

MrSassyPants: depends. which card?

[20:33:18]

MrSassyPants:

kash, a bt848

[20:33:20]

kash:

no.

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|Torg|:

umm kash that it what they are

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MrSassyPants:

kash, I'm having pci bus bandwidth issues

[20:33:45]

MrSassyPants:

or more general "performance issues"

[20:33:48]

koala_man:

can I add an icon to a file type in mythvideo?

[20:33:51]

kash:

|Torg|: what what are?

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|Torg|:

the card has a qam tuner but cant do it

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kash:

why not :/

[20:34:08]

|Torg|:

the link mkrufky posted, thats the cards I have

[20:34:41]

|Torg|:

dunno why not, the chip says it can, the card has no options for it, firmware maybe?

[20:34:51]

mkrufky:

there are only 5 left, and they're not making them anymore

[20:34:55]

|Torg|:

I dont have digital cable to play with anyway

[20:34:57]

kash:

so what do you use it for

[20:35:04]

|Torg|:

as an OTA tuner

[20:35:05]

mkrufky:

(but the new revision is way better — supports QAM too)

[20:35:08]

|Torg|:

as in tunes in ATSC

[20:35:16]

kash:

yeah, that's what i was talking about

[20:35:24]

|Torg|:

id upgrade them if I had to, but if it aint broke

[20:35:49]

kash:

i'll give you a gig of memory for one :x

[20:35:55]

kash:

DDR400

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|Torg|:

good I can add it to teh stack of DDR and DDR2 memmory I lready have :)

[20:36:30]

|Torg|:

why not just buy one for $35

[20:36:49]

kash:

because the tropical depression ruined my siding on my house

[20:36:52]

kash:

and that's $$$ to replace it

[20:36:59]

|Torg|:

even comes with a cheap ass antenna dn remote thats a pain in the ass if I remeber correctly

[20:37:13]

kash:

i've got remotes

[20:37:52]

|Torg|:

besides that memory is worth more then those cards

[20:38:08]

kash:

so? i don't need it

[20:38:13]

kash:

i use all DDR2 now

[20:38:15]

|Torg|:

nor do I

[20:38:29]

kash:

would you take a gig of DDR2 800?

[20:38:40]

kash:

two 512's, dual channel

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|Torg|:

I dont need memory all my boxes are maxed out

[20:39:06]

|Torg|:

my desktops all have 4G of DDR2 all but my master BE has 2G

[20:39:17]

kash:

nice

[20:39:20]

Esine:

what do you even need 2 gigabytes for?

[20:39:31]

Esine:

I have 1 GB on my mythtv box and that's plenty

[20:39:32]

|Torg|:

need? or had on hand.

[20:39:35]

Esine:

even 512MB would do

[20:39:38]

Esine:

ah

[20:39:49]

kash:

i've got 3GB in my desktop and 1GB in my backend/frontend combo

[20:39:49]

|Torg|:

I have 64M sticks, 128M sticks DDR/SDR

[20:39:55]

|Torg|:

hell I have a bag a dimms too

[20:39:56]

kash:

it won't even take anymore

[20:39:58]

Esine:

kash, same :-)

[20:40:27]

kash:

|Torg|: what would you take then?

[20:40:30]

|Torg|:

my BE is made from spare parts, my slave BE was my old desktop and my FE was my wifes comptuer

[20:40:48]

|Torg|:

hmm a KVM over IP would be nice :)

[20:40:55]

kash:

don't have one :/

[20:40:58]

|Torg|:

that damn kvm im using now is a pain

[20:41:10]

|Torg|:

almost all of my eqpment is form data centers

[20:41:18]

|Torg|:

even my gige switch

[20:41:41]

|Torg|:

whats wrong with your tuner now?

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kash:

i don't have one

[20:42:17]

kash:

:/

[20:42:24]

kash:

i've got a lamegrabber that doesn't work half the time

[20:42:43]

zachtib:

i'm back, anyways, i get this in my log alot, can someone tell me what it means? : 2007-08–22 15:23:07.539 MythSocket(762510:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket.

[20:43:15]

|Torg|:

kash you do realise you cant get but one station where you are, right?

[20:43:32]

kash:

no, i can get more than one

[20:43:32]

kash:

:p

[20:43:56]

kash:

i've got an HDTV with an OTA antenna and i get like 13 channels

[20:43:58]

|Torg|:

77373 or 77393?

[20:44:01]

kash:

neither.

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kash:

77067

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|Torg|:

ahh ok, then yes you shoudl be good

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Paul___:

a

[20:47:27]

Paul___:

Hi. I'm getting no keyboard response in a vnc interface, but top shows the processor usage near nil

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Slyboots:

Hey, I,m trying to figure something out

[20:51:52]

Slyboots:

On the MythOSD and Shedual guide, is there a way to make the text scroll down (Where it gives the synopsis of the show)

[20:52:01]

Slyboots:

Since 90% of the time its longer than the textbox

[20:52:35]

kash:

|Torg|: also my house in 77386 has better luck than this hotel

[20:53:06]

kash:

24 channels :)

[20:53:07]

|Torg|:

I was just using antennaweb

[20:53:10]

kash:

i did too

[20:53:17]

|Torg|:

it isnt alwyas accruate either

[20:53:46]

|Torg|:

for example I liefve south of fort worth and according to antennaweb should get fox. However they brodacast north so I dont get it

[20:55:40]

kash:

i get all of the channels they list for me

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|Torg|:

sorta depends on where you live antennaweb dosnt take into account directional brodcasts it seems

[20:56:32]

|Torg|:

I also get chanels from temple and waco antennaweb says I cant

[20:56:43]

|Torg|:

likewise TMS data thinkgs I hsouldt get them either

[20:57:21]

kash:

heh

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floppyears:

so how's the sd stuff going ?

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kash:

for me?

[21:00:47]

floppyears:

to everybody, I'm just curious what's the status, etc

[21:00:59]

CBiLL:

can mythtv be set up to use uirt-usb?

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kash:

er, well.. when the card works, it's good

[21:01:38]

Cardoe:

|Torg|: you know how I can start mythlcdserver with more debug info?

[21:01:49]

Cardoe:

can I just kill mythlcdserver and start it from the command line myself?

[21:01:56]

Cardoe:

or does it need to be started by mythfrontend?

[21:01:58]

|Torg|:

I dont use it

[21:02:34]

|Torg|:

what issue do you have?

[21:02:48]

Cardoe:

it screws up the text

[21:02:50]

Cardoe:

it always has

[21:02:56]

Cardoe:

but there's a thread on the ML currently

[21:03:02]

Cardoe:

and I was gonna try to toss in my debug info

[21:03:08]

|Torg|:

is the lcd you have supported?

[21:03:19]

|Torg|:

I wasnt aware any lcd driver worked in linux

[21:03:34]

Esine:

|Torg|, hah. There's plenty of them that work

[21:03:42]

Esine:

for example the one on Antec Fusion case does

[21:03:51]

|Torg|:

ok Ill take your word for it

[21:04:05]

|Torg|:

like I said earlier all my myth equipemt is old desktops and recycped hardware

[21:04:27]

Esine:

ah

[21:10:21]

koala_man:

how can I set up a remote control button to invoke a certain menu item? (like a shortcut key)

[21:11:21]

Esine:

koala_man, ~/.mythtv/lircrc

[21:11:31]

Esine:

http://www.keeto.net/articles/mythtv_lirc_irman.html

[21:11:48]

Esine:

also see this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC

[21:12:14]

koala_man:

I was looking at that last one

[21:13:14]

koala_man:

do I assign some keyboard key to the menu item and then map the remote key to the keyboard key? (and if so, how do I do that)

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koala_man:

I can't figure it out from those docs

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hatlevip:

koala_man, yep

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hatlevip:

set up the keys in myth and then use the same keys in the lircrc

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hatlevip:

prob can just use the mythtv defaults which are in keys.txt

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CBiLL:

having issue getting uirt working in mythdora .. is there a readme on setting one up?

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koala_man:

hatlevip: I added a menu item to play a random video from the library. I tried adding a shortcut into the keybindings table with the same command ("EXEC ..") but it didn't appear to work

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hatlevip:

koala_man, why would that work?

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koala_man:

I figured the 'action' was an arbitrary mythtv action but I guess not

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hatlevip:

just keys i think

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koala_man:

anyways, how do I add a key binding when there doesn't appear to be one for what I want already?

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hatlevip:

what do you want to do? it may not be possible

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koala_man:

I want to run a menu item when I hit a certain key on my remote (assuming (or not) that I'm in the main menu)

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koala_man:

I guess I can hack around it with irexec for this particular case

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koala_man:

or failing to run a menu item, run the action it's bound to

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hatlevip:

koala_man, mythtv uses jump points to go to some menus but not sure if you can create your own jump points other than the defaults

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hatlevip:

someone else might know but irexec is probably the easiest way

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koala_man:

ah well, fair enough

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koala_man:

oh crap, mythtv responds to the remote in the background now

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koala_man:

can I make mythtv automatically not respond to the remote when it's not focused or something?

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hatlevip:

yeah, mythtv only stops listening to keypresses when it know you started an external app

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Esine:

how can I toggle teletext without using the 'm' OSD menu?

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hatlevip:

Esine, keys.txt, i think default is t....maybe

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Esine:

oh ok

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simon_c:

Hi all, What tables do I need to extract records from if I want to copy all the data associated with a particular file. ? I'm guessing recorded and recordedmarkup, but any others ?

[21:51:31]

Esine:

can I change the channels using single key (next channel, previous channel) without using arrow keys and enter?

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hatlevip:

Esine, i think there is an option in the setup screens

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btl:

I just got mythtv installed and setup, but when I run mythfrontend and try to watch tv it says my tuner is busy with the channels i already selected. I didn't select any channels to record, even double checked the recording screen... any ideas why it would do this?

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kash:

17:11:11 up 1:28, 1 user, load average: 11.45, 8.86, 5.21

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kash:

wtf

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|Torg|:

oh well my free ATSC cable went away :(

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kash:

that damn lamegrabber is acting up

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kash:

>:/

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|Torg|:

kill it

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kash:

i did

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kash:

still going up

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kash:

i reboot the box and it starts with that kind of load, thanks to the card

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kash:

it's not even SDTV what i'm recording from

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kash:

it's an HD STB with composite output

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kash:

well i guess it is SDTV

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kash:

;P

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kash:

bbiab

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PSU:

hi guys, i have everything working fine but i can only get the full display on my monitor. when i try a tv-out on my nvidia card, i have a display until X starts

[22:20:21]

PSU:

i tried the solution at http://g-ding.tv/?q=node/1891 which is exaclty my problem

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PSU:

but it's still not working

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PSU:

any thoughts?

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fryfrog:

you can use some nvidia options in X11 to *force* the use of tv out

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fryfrog:

check out their readme file

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PSU:

ok will do

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PSU:

fryfrog: but i think it is trying to go tv-out but it can't display the X graphics

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PSU:

b/c it displayed the start up and shutdown process fine

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fryfrog:

make sure you pick a reso that is tv out save?

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fryfrog:

safe?

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fryfrog:

800x600 or 640x480 maybe?

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fryfrog:

if you are doing rca/svideo

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fryfrog:

real resotluions should be okay with dvi/vga/component

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PSU:

ok

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PSU:

will check, thanks!

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btl:

MythTV says my tuner is unavailable, but it's NOT. I checked the setup and it's defined and it probed it fine... any ideas why I can't watch TV?

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floppyears:

could it be recording something right now ?

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btl:

i checked, it's not. i don't see how it would since i'm just now trying to watch it the first time :(

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btl:

the only thing that looks a bit off, when i launch mythfrontend i notice these lines....

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Esine:

btl, can you try another player (mplayer, kaffeine, etc.) and see how they react?

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btl:

mythtv: could not connect to socket ... mythtv: No such file or directory ... lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceding messages

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btl:

Esine: i can try... need to install mplayer first though which would take a while

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btl:

how do i have mplayer view from my tuner?

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BULLE:

btl: as Esine said, check with some other program, that the tv tuner works there, to start with, mplayer, xawtv, ktv whatever

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BULLE:

btl: that way you know if the problem is with mythv or the tv tuner

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Esine:

btl, mplayer dvb:// or mplayer tv://

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btl:

before i start compiling mplayer... are there any specific configure options (i'm on gentoo, so 'use flags') ?

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btl:

(that i'd need to watch tv from my tuner)

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Ribs:

btl, I get that message all the time

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btl:

Ribs: ?

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Ribs:

it's 'cos my backend starts before my kernel module has loaded for my tv card

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Ribs:

so it has them set up, but cannot access them

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PSU:

hrm, everything works fine on my monitor but i can't display on the tv (except the startup/shutdown process)...can anyone help pls?

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Ribs:

so make sure all your modules etc are loaded... then restart your backend

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btl:

i built everything into the kernel, didn't use any modules

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Ribs:

oh

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Ribs:

try restarting it anyway

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Ribs:

:)

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btl:

hmm, didnt help :(

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Ribs:

has this happened after a reboot?

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Ribs:

oh, and check permissions on the device

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Ribs:

and your backend logs... might be a clue in there

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tremby:

just got mythtv up and running, but i have a couple of problems

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btl:

crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 Aug 22 17:41 /dev/v4l/video0

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tremby:

firstly, i can't open the guide — mythtv displays it for a split second and then crashes

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btl:

2007-08–22 18:01:43.246 AutoExpire: Found 0 recorders w/max rate of 0 MiB/min

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btl:

that anything? :(

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tremby:

nopasted the output at http://rafb.net/p/tGAlDy65.html (ignore the "may be slow" messages — that's going to be the next thing

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PSU:

where can i get nvidia drivers for my nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3]?

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|Torg|:

nvidia

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PSU:

:P

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|Torg|:

go look

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btl:

oh thank god!

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btl:

got it working :)

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btl:

i didnt tie the tuner to the video source or whatever (got the clue from pickin through the logs)

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btl:

thanks Ribs and everyone :) ... now just gotta setup my audio card and should be good enough to watch some tv :)

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Ribs:

great! :)

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niter3:

I have a recording. I've copied the .avi file from the media directory to my windows system. Now i'm trying to play it, but it won't play. Any ideas why???????

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juski:

er... mythtv doesn't record avi files

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niter3:

sorry .mpg

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niter3:

I just copied that .mpg to my windows box. Now windows media player won't play it......

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juski:

ah. ditch WMP – it's poo

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juski:

install VLC media player instead

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|Torg|:

windows media player is about the worst thing to play video with

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niter3:

Am I missing codecs??

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|Torg|:

yes

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niter3:

which ones?

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juski:

just use VLC & have done with it. no need to install any codecs

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niter3:

WHich codecs do I need though?

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|Torg|:

the DRM infested ones for WMP

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juski:

hmm lemme think. you can't play mpeg2 files with WMP. maybe you're missing oogabooga codecs

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|Torg|:

if your missing mpeg2 codecs you can go pay for them

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juski:

no wait, you'd only need oogabooga codecs if you couldn't play oogabooga files

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|Torg|:

the other option would be to get VLC

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niter3:

ok thanks

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juski:

so if you can't play mpeg2 files... maybe you need some ***** codec or other

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|Torg|:

http://www.wikihow.com/Play-DVDs-on-Your-Windows-PC-for-Free

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juski:

Nero has a similarly awful media player these days, and it can play mpeg2

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niter3:

Yes VLC works.

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|Torg|:

note step #2 in that

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niter3:

Where can I get the oogabooga codecs?

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|Torg|:

ROTFL

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juski:

www.oogabooga.com or whatever

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** BULLE dances the oogabooga dance **

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BULLE:

oogie boogie !

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|Torg|:

http://www.oogaboogastore.com/

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BULLE:

niter3: just stick to vlc

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BULLE:

imho

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juski:

just stick to VLC and donate the money you would have spent buying a codec to the FSF

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BULLE:

juski: indeed

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juski:

or stop using windows & use the money you save from not buying it to get yourself laid. no, wait that's wrong

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|Torg|:

whats wrong about that?

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juski:

I forgot a lot of windows users don't actually have legit copies

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juski:

they love 'free' software but got the wrong end of the stick ;)

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Inssomniak:

is there an adjustable pre-buffer for myth? myth seems to want to play back the stream faster than it comes in resulting in skipping (DVB), fine if you rewind a few seconds

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juski:

Inssomniak: isn't that a bug, aka the "pause for a bit & it stops the skipping" issue? I thought that was fixed already

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Inssomniak:

CVS 2 days ago

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juski:

well, check svn, read the -dev and -commits list & see if anybody else has the issue

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juski:

if not, maybe worth raising a ticket

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Inssomniak:

sorry I mean svn

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Inssomniak:

Ill have a look

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juski:

you should always keep up to speed with developments if you use svn

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floppyears:

is there an rss feed to them or do I have to sign up to those dev mailing lists ?

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floppyears:

do you guys use a separate box for development & testing ?

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GreyFoxx:

I have a dev box with hardware, and some vm's for basic stuff

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GreyFoxx:

but a lot of stuff ends up being done on my main machine :)

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floppyears:

oh

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floppyears:

I have an old tv tuner card wintv something that doesn't do hardware encoding

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juski:

send it to the knackers yard :)

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floppyears:

how much power does a machine need to have to run smoothly with that card ?

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juski:

probably 1.5ghz or more

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tremby:

i'm getting a really bad framerate when watching tv (dvb-t) with mythtv. conversely, watching with mplayer (mplayer dvb://"BBC One") is perfect. mythtv's output is at http://rafb.net/p/tFP1qa93.html — it says it can't find a suitable xvideo surface. what should i do?

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juski:

tremby: dump the ATI card, or if you have nvidia, install the binary drivers

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|Torg|:

1) Load in the proper drivers, 2) Fix XvmC, 3) make sure you have the proper extensions in X

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tremby:

juski: it's an onboard ati one. x200 i believe. but performance is great in mplayer

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juski:

but nothing ;)

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juski:

ATI have even said on their own support pages that they won't help with mythtv or linux related problems :-\

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tremby:

i'm not asking ati for help though, i'm asking you guys :)

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tremby:

|Torg|: 1) using fglrx drivers — everything seems fine, great opengl performance, playing video with vlc or mplayer is fine. 2) never heard of it. 3) also not sure how to go about doing this

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juski:

mplayer does opengl video rendering (IIRC) – something mythtv doesn't do yet

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juski:

Xv is X video acceleration – helps with colour space conversion & scaling & junk

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juski:

ATIs drivers aren't too hot at it

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tremby:

i should mention that cpu usage never seems to go above 30%

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juski:

I bet it doesn't

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tremby:

whether in mythtv or mplayer

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juski:

just that the ATI driver is crap, and the method mythtv uses to display video isn't compatible with it

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|Torg|:

juski from his loga how can you see its an ATI

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tremby:

i said it was

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|Torg|:

tremby ATI dosnt support XvMC

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tremby:

how does mplayer manage it then? opengl?

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juski:

because there's only 2 ways you end up having problems with Xv – 1. you have ATI junk. 2. you're not running the right drivers for your non-ati card

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|Torg|:

what did you tell mplauer to do?

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Inssomniak:

heh

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juski:

|Torg|: you seem to have Xv confused with XvMC

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|Torg|:

no I was reading the line is the logs whre it said it failed

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juski:

it'd say that whether xvmc is enabled or not wouldn't it?

[23:28:40]

btl:

i'm back :) now i want to figure out why mythtv lags so much... watching tv is laggy and even using the menu is badly lagged. any ideas?

[23:28:41]

Inssomniak:

would a 1ghz p3 be enough to decode SD from DVB?

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juski:

Inssomniak: aye

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Inssomniak:

thx

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|Torg|:

XvMCTex: Init failed

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|Torg|:

altho I see now where the textures are also part of opengl

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|Torg|:

I thought it was only for XvMC

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juski:

|Torg|: it says that all the time. it's a known issue & doesn't particularly mean anything

[23:29:50]

juski:

this is the one which is the killer here: "VideoOutputXv Error: Could not find suitable XVideo surface."

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|Torg|:

ahh so thats whats wrong with my FE, it doest give that error :P

[23:30:10]

|Torg|:

yes juski I realise thats what it died on

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juski:

tremby: if there are other drivers you can try, go try them

[23:30:45]

tremby:

video card drivers?

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juski:

yep

[23:31:00]

tremby:

nope. the open source ones don't let me use the tv-out

[23:31:22]

juski:

either that or ... 1. get a nvidia VGA card , or 2. wait for the new video rendering branch to make it into mythtv

[23:31:43]

juski:

so now you know why ATI sucks so much :)

[23:31:55]

btl:

i'm wondering if i mucked something up with opengl... just put in a new video card with the tuner (Geforce4 MX 400)

[23:32:09]

juski:

£25 or so hgets you a nvidia fx6200 or so

[23:32:10]

tremby:

yeah, i didn't know until after i bought this machine. and it's in a slimline case so expansion possibilities are severely limited

[23:32:40]

juski:

they come in fanless low profile versions too :)

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tremby:

having said that, i do have a pci-express riser for it. as long as it's a low form-factor card it'd fit

[23:33:07]

tremby:

i made the mistake when i got it of trying to fit an internal dvb card which wasn't low profile

[23:33:12]

tremby:

psu cables in the way

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juski:

I don't mean ATI any ill by constantly pointing out how much they suck. If they didn't suck I wouldn't say it

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tremby:

back to Xv... when i load something with mplayer i get: "VO: [xv] 640x272 => 640x272 Planar YV12 [zoom] [VO_XV] Shared memory not supported Reverting to normal Xv." so it sounds like i can do some sort of Xv

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|Torg|:

hopefully if AMD buys them it will get better

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tremby:

i thought amd did buy them already

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juski:

tremby: are you sure you've not enabled xvmc by mistake? (tv playback settings)

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tremby:

tv playback settings... frontend, right?

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juski:

yep

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PSU:

guys when i try to click watch tv my screen goes black...any suggestions?

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juski:

pretty damn hard to enable it by mistake, but there ya go

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|Torg|:

yes PSU go look at the lofs

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juski:

PSU: yeah make sure in mythtv-setup that the type of capture card you configured IS actually what you've got there – i.e. DVB for a DVB tuner, MPEG2 encoder for a PVR card etc

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juski:

the default setting is NO USE for a PVR tuner card whatsoever

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PSU:

juski: i get sound...just no video

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juski:

does the tuner card actually work in linux?

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tremby:

juski: "preferred mpeg2 decoder", which i think you're referring to, is set to libmpeg2. i've tried all the settings here and they don't make any difference as far as i can tell.

[23:36:35]

juski:

I mean work in linux on your box?

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juski:

tremby: libmpeg2? what was wrong with 'default' ?

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PSU:

|Torg|: what is lofs?

[23:37:17]

juski:

PSU: I think |Torg| means 'logs'

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tremby:

juski: well, they seem the same. the reason i tried to libmpeg2 is that the help text says "libmpeg2 will use mpeg2 library; this is faster on some amd processors" and i have an athlon64

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juski:

look in the *logs* – the backend log, specifically

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tremby:

s/tried/switched/

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PSU:

juski: where is the backend log stored?

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juski:

PSU: I don't know. logs are usually stored in /var/log somewhere. I found that out when I read a Linux101 guide

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PSU:

ok :P

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juski:

some distros might put logs in /tmp/hidden/away/from/you for all I know, there's no accounting for logic

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tremby:

juski: do you know when the new video rendering branch is expected? if it's not too long i can make do with mplayer (i'll write some scripts with nice shortcuts for the housemates to click on)

[23:40:01]

juski:

tremby: it's undergoing testing right now, so the intent is obviously to merge it soonish

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tremby:

otherwise getting a sff nvidia card may be the way to go

[23:40:23]

tremby:

juski: alrighty. is it useable in the latest cvs?

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juski:

SVN you mean.. er.. it's not merged into SVN trunk yet

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tremby:

ok

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tremby:

thanks for the help. if i see a suitable card going cheap i'll snap it up.

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juski:

you can check the branch out though, but it's a way more complex that using packages ;)

[23:41:58]

juski:

a card might only be the price of a few beers anyway.. about 5 UK beers, for sure

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tremby:

next problem is the guide in mythtv — it doesn't load. that paste from earlier is a cutting from this one, which shows the crash backtrace... http://rafb.net/p/tGAlDy65.html

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juski:

again I think that'd be related to the video driver

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tremby:

sure? that seems bizarre

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tremby:

it's just text isn't it?

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juski:

no, the EPG screen has video on it too. video which relies on overlay working properly

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tremby:

i see

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juski:

well, the EPG screen you get to in livetv mode has video on it

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juski:

and judging by that log output, that's where you were when it crashed

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tremby:

how do i get to the guide without live video?

[23:44:26]

juski:

manage recordings > programme guide of course

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tremby:

oh, of course.

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juski:

or you can bind a keypress to it & jump straight there (if you have mythcontrols installed, or mythweb)

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PSU:

okay i have everything working fine w/ display on my monitor but when i reboot w/o the monitor connected i get no display. what is a safe setting for the display settings on a tv?

[23:45:56]

tremby:

yes indeed, the guide opens

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juski:

PSU: if you're worrying about blowing up your TV with an incorrect mode, don't. it's very unlikely to happen unless your TV is like 15 years old

[23:46:37]

PSU:

juski: not my worry at all :P i just want this thing to work on my tv — right now it doesn't, just my monitor :/

[23:46:51]

** juski smells ATI at work again **

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PSU:

my xorg.conf file is very basic but doesn't work on tv-out

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tremby:

juski: do you know how tv-out is with nvidia cards? i was planning eventually to make a vga to scart lead and i've heard you can set up the timings nicely for your tv with ati cards without too much trouble, but haven't heard anything similar about nvidia cards

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juski:

tremby: nvidia cards need a bit of circuitry for VGA-SCART to work. their svideo out is very good these days, comparable to a standalone DVD player (my Panasonic for example)

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tremby:

juski: i'm using s-video at the moment and am mostly happy with it (i get tearing when the camera pans though)

[23:50:43]

tremby:

hardcore circuitry, or just a bit of soldering?

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juski:

tremby: that's the other thing about nvidia tvout – you don't need to deinterlace thanks to their clever flicker filter. just wop it up to half-way & tada!

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juski:

as for the VGA-SCART cct – it's like 2 transistors or so

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tremby:

ok, cheers

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btl:

can anyone give me some ideas as to why mythtv is running so horribly slow? the menus take a long time to load, and even moving the arrows in the menus is seriously delayed.... watching tv can't keep up with the stream it ends up skipping every few seconds to catch itself

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CBiLL:

does latest version lirc support USB-UIRT?

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