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Monday, August 20th, 2007, 00:02 UTC

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MissDjax:

hi all

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MissDjax:

may I have some support ?

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DustyBin:

no

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MissDjax:

stfu

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MissDjax:

I can't scan for programs and dunno why, I have a PCTV card

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DustyBin:

MissDjax

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MissDjax:

it says scan type: failed to open the card

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DustyBin:

have you setup your capture cards in mythtv-setup

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MissDjax:

yes

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DustyBin:

are you sure they are setup ok

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MissDjax:

well there isnt much to setup

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MissDjax:

most of it you can just ignore

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DustyBin:

you need to setup the cards you are using

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DustyBin:

thats the 1st thing

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juski:

I wouldn't use the word 'ignore' as such

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juski:

at least frickin *read* what lives in the setup menus

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MissDjax:

I did hmmm

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juski:

rushy rushy user ends up in here, crying cos his box no worky

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juski:

wise user also ends up in here and acts smug that he was wise & RTFM before even starting ;)

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MissDjax:

/dev/video0, the probed info is ok as well

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MissDjax:

well, sleeping time, cya

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blackest:

lol you set a whole 10 minutes aside to sort problems with myth :)

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juski:

but of course!

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blackest:

i've been banging away for 2 days on a friggin remote lol

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blackest:

i guess logically i should program the external box and just tell myth when to hit record

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blackest:

actually that seems like a good alternative compared to what 2 days minimal sleep and it still dont f^& work

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** juski blames lirc **

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juski:

I've never had the pleasure of getting an IR blaster to work, so I dunno where your pain is coming from

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juski:

the STB I record from, allows http to change channels :D

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blackest:

I've actually got to the point where my ir receiver flashes when the transmitter transmits but it doesnt know what its trying to say

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juski:

so it's sending the wrong code, by the sounds of it

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juski:

from the howtos I've skimmed through in internet land, finding the code seems to be an almighty crap shoot

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blackest:

well thats why i configured the reciever to learn the codes and create the lirc.conf

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blackest:

finished that 5am erm yesterday

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juski:

er.. what receiver?

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blackest:

its an irman 210

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blackest:

its a serial device i got it free for becoming diabetic

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juski:

?

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dath:

Does anyone know if poor HD/DT reception could cause audio cutouts, but no visual issues with the picture?

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blackest:

its supplied so my blood meter can upload its data to pc

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juski:

dath: can cause all kinds of defects

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juski:

blackest: ah :)

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blackest:

but it happens to be supported by lirc so i used it

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juski:

I'm glad to say I'm not diabetic. bipolar, possibly ;)

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dath:

juski: You think with just audio though and not with the picture? I'm trying to verify my setup is working after fixing some audio issues I was having, but now it's cutting out. . .

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blackest:

its ever so good at playing guess what button i pressed gets it right every time

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juski:

dath: depends on what the errors are. could also be a problem with the playback machine

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blackest:

um i just had a brain wave if my signal was inverted that wouldnt work would it

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dath:

juski: Hmm. . . Yeah, I had everything working beautifully yesterday and then rebooted today and all hell broke loose:-<

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juski:

dath: well, mythfrontend is usually very telling about playback problems like that. I suspect you've come up against 'prebuffer pause' issues there, more than likely connected with the video card driver (or lack thereof)

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DustyBin:

ah haa

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DustyBin:

i see a problem:

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DustyBin:

/usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/liblibmythtream.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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juski:

DustyBin: /usr/local is not in /etc/ld.so.conf

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dath:

juski: That seems likely. I'll dig around a little bit. My CPU usage went up today as well, though I haven't changed my video configuration. Very odd. . .

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juski:

your /etc/ld.so.conf needs to have a line with /usr/local in it

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juski:

dath: ta-dah!

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DustyBin:

juski: it has because i needed to change it earlier when i installed the mythtv svn

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juski:

dustybin your /etc/ld.so.conf needs to have a line with /usr/local in it

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juski:

DustyBin: so try ldconfig then

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DustyBin:

let me check again

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dath:

juski: Yeah, I know, I should have thought about that before. . . I have *NO* clue what caused my cpu to go from the ~50% up to 90%+ though. . .

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DustyBin:

/usr/local/lib

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juski:

DustyBin: yeah that's what I meant

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DustyBin:

thats in there

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DustyBin:

and i did ldconfig after

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DustyBin:

i done that earlier on today

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juski:

there's another command to clear the cache out or refresh it.. can't remember what it is (never can)

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juski:

DustyBin: did you config the plugins with --prefix=/usr/local too?

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DustyBin:

yeah the file is actually there

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DustyBin:

/usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/liblibmythtream.so <-- this exists?

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DustyBin:

the make install created it

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DustyBin:

strange

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juski:

I.T. support standard response – try logging out & back in again!

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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** DustyBin reboots **

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juski:

did I say reboot?

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DustyBin:

its not windows!

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juski:

yeah it's not windows so you don't need to reboot

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DustyBin:

/usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/liblibmythtream.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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DustyBin:

if i

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DustyBin:

ls /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/ -al

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hatlevip:

i that what the .so is actually called?

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DustyBin:

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 845820 2007-08–20 01:17 libmythstream.so

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DustyBin:

oh yes

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DustyBin:

wrong name

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dath:

Huh, got my CPU usage back down by installing a newer nvidia driver and now my sound is working again;->

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dath:

I think I still need a better antenna though. . .

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** juski isn't gonna say he told dath so, but... **

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dath:

juski: Thanks for making me look at the obvious things again;->

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juski:

heh np

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dath:

Wonder if I can find a decent indoor antenna somewhere local . . .

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dath:

This is also my first experience with HD/DT. . . I'm just down converting to my normal tv. . .

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juski:

the words 'decent' 'indoor antenna' are not great bedfellows

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juski:

something of an oxymoron infact

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dath:

:-> Yeah, well, I just have some rabbit ears right now and I can get nearly everything in my area, but it is a little tweaky. . . Definitely need a new one, if I go touch the antenna the audio cutouts disappear, but they're back as long as I'm standing near it. At least my cpu usage is lower again;->

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dath:

I guess I could go for an outdoor antenna, but I was trying to get this all done before my wife gets back from a trip;->

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juski:

heh if my wife was just due back from a trip I'd be up to my elbows doing the housework

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juski:

anyway.. I'm away to bed

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juski:

g'night

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dath:

Well, she isn't due back right away;-> Night

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ASTX813:

This might seem counterintuitive, but has anyone tried setting up MythTV without the PVR functionality?

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ASTX813:

I'm only concerned with ripping & playing back my DVD & CD collection

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Aval0n_:

hey guys with the gui offset options

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Aval0n_:

not offset sorry, size..

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Aval0n_:

my tv is overscaling so I need to shrink the menu sizes

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Aval0n_:

do I need to enter the full amount of pixels?

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Aval0n_:

so if my native res is 1280x720 do like 1200x700?

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DustyBin:

my lord i got it working :-)

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ASTX813:

Mazel Tov!

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floppyears:

hi quick question

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floppyears:

I'm watching some recordings, and I have set the commercial auto-skip to on

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blackest:

congratulations dustybin

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floppyears:

but it won't skip the commercials, although they seem to be flagged because I can press the skip button and it skips the commercials

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floppyears:

any clues to what is causing this ?

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cesman:

ASTX813: then it wouldn't be MythTV

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floppyears:

DustyBin: enjoy :)

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ASTX813:

cesman, True, but it's still the best way I can think of for the music & movies portion of things. Unless you have another suggestion that would work well for my non-technically inclined brother.

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DustyBin:

the only thing what doesnt work is in the settings menu >> mythstream settings >> streams if i hit that the frontend quits

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DustyBin:

ill check to see if it reports a error

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cesman:

ASTX813: oxine

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** cesman ponders if ASTX813 called Leo today.... **

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dath:

Anyone ever had problems with not getting sound playback from recorded shows?

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dath:

The sound is in my mpg files, but myth isn't playing it for some files. . .

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dath:

I'm wondering if it has something to do with the S/PDIF out?

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ASTX813:

Thanx, cesman, I'll look into that.

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ASTX813:

Eh, that's a bust, it doesn't look like that includes any kind of simple ripper

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cesman:

so, write one

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cesman:

and put it in the menu

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dath:

How does one turn on logging for the myth frontend? I only have a backend log file and I really could use to look at a frontend log. . .

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cesman:

dath: mythfrontend --logfile /path/to/logfile.log

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dath:

Ahh, thanks, that should have been obvious, but I set this all up through ubuntu and they have the autologin stuff setup. . .

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JeffH:

Could someone take a look at this MythTV configuration and tell me if they see any potential problems? http://pastebin.ca/663965

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DustyBin:

that list looks good to me

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DustyBin:

be careful of seagate drives though

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JeffH:

why's that?

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DustyBin:

they are not as quiet as they used to be

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DustyBin:

i bought a 320gig and its noisy as hell

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JeffH:

gotcha.. well, at some point I'll build a backend.. so the big drives will go in the backend.

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DustyBin:

i believe the samsung spinpoints have won the crown for quietness

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DustyBin:

ok

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DustyBin:

you might want to check that motherboard to see if linux drivers are available for the components on it

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DustyBin:

it should be ok as its intel though

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JeffH:

I checked and they are.

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DustyBin:

ok

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DustyBin:

it looks good

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JeffH:

I'm looking for the VFR, IR and remote for the case but I can't find it.

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DustyBin:

im not sure about that

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mog:

i recently set up a show to auto transcode, but it does not seem to take place, i can go and manually do it, i dont see any errors in mythlog

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JeffH:

can you setup MythTV to not even record the commercials?

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cesman:

JeffH: no

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JeffH:

bummer.. can you easily skip them?

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cesman:

yes, you can skip them

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hatlevip:

JeffH, there is also an auto-skip function or alternatively you can load the commflags into the cutlist which will in effect skip commercials as well

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JeffH:

nice.

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JeffH:

is the commercial detection accurate?

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hatlevip:

it varies

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hatlevip:

for me it is pretty good

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JeffH:

well, when I sell my 2nd car I think I'll build a MythTV

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hatlevip:

you'll never look back

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JeffH:

nice.

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JeffH:

I just hope it doesn't suck up all my extra time.. haha

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hatlevip:

in my experience i watch more tv but my viewing is on my time and is more efficient

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JeffH:

Is there a way to rip my dvds, put them on my network, then be able to watch them (full with menus, bonus features, etc) via MythTV?

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hatlevip:

myth also has a timestretch feature which a fair number of people use

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hatlevip:

yes

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JeffH:

I wasn't so much meaning the TV sucking up my time.. but configuring/tweaking taking all my time.. haha

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hatlevip:

ahhhh, you hear a lot of horror stories but if you pick your hardware intelligently it's not that bad

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hatlevip:

i think a lot of the problems people have are more a lack of experience with linux than anything related to mythtv

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Raspberry:

anybody know where I can find some Ubuntu SVN packages newer than what's in the repos?

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Raspberry:

I have pcHDTV-5500 and a WinTV-PVR-150 ... and I understand there are some serious issues with iVTV because it loads the PVR-150 first which keeps the 5500 from functioning properly

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Raspberry:

I also have an issue with the program schedule having two channels schedules mixed up

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Raspberry:

the schedules are right, but they're on the wrong channels

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Raspberry:

i reran the fill database, no luck

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Raspberry:

ah

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Raspberry:

I think I have another piece of the puzzle

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Raspberry:

one channel is Channel 4–1

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Raspberry:

and the other channel is 41–1

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Raspberry:

and the guide is using the same schedule for each of them

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Raspberry:

and it has the schedule for Channel 4–1 on channel 11–2

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Raspberry:

and it has the schedule for 11–2 on channel 29–2

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Raspberry:

and the schedule for 29–2 is the SD mirror of 29–1 which is HD

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Aval0n_:

guys my buddy changed something appearances and my res is 300x400 for the mythtv gui I can't even move around to get it back

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Aval0n_:

what's the config file that info is stores in

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Aval0n_:

?

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Raspberry:

it's stored in the xorg.conf

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Raspberry:

that's your X resolution

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Aval0n_:

the X res is fine

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Aval0n_:

it's only when mythtv runs that it does it

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Raspberry:

you can change the fonts or the TV or MythTV (override) display in Myth

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Raspberry:

it's under the Tools / Setup

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Raspberry:

i believe it's under general

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Raspberry:

where you can set MythTV to override the X display

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Aval0n_:

right

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Aval0n_:

and my buddy did that

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Aval0n_:

and now everything is so huge

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Aval0n_:

I can't change it back

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Aval0n_:

=(

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Raspberry:

it's in the config

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Raspberry:

so

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Aval0n_:

where is the config?

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Raspberry:

/home/mythtv/.mythtv/

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Raspberry:

in that directory somewhere

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Aval0n_:

only files I see are backened_configured Mythphone dir osdcache and themecache

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hatlevip:

the config settings are stored in the db

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Aval0n_:

is there a way to reset the db to default?

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hatlevip:

there might be a command line switch you can use when you start the frontend

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hatlevip:

but no idea what it would be, sorry

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Aval0n_:

i wish I could set defaults to everything...

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Raspberry:

you can

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Aval0n_:

how?

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hatlevip:

Valid options are:

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hatlevip:

-r or --reset Resets frontend appearance settings and language

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hatlevip:

from mythfrontend --help

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hatlevip:

so, there you go i guess

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Aval0n_:

so mythfrond-end --reset?

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hatlevip:

yeah

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Aval0n_:

that worked fantastic

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Aval0n_:

thank you

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Aval0n_:

is there a way to get it to stretch the 4:3 analog tv?

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hatlevip:

yeah, w i think switches between modes

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hatlevip:

you can set the default in the setup screen somewhere, probably playback

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Aval0n_:

thank you

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hatlevip:

np

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Aval0n_:

do you know how to set a virtual desktop size?

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Aval0n_:

I've taken care of the overscan in mythtv but I'de sure like to see my menu bars :)

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hatlevip:

virtual desktop size will just let you scroll the desktop

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hatlevip:

can be set in your xorg.conf

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hatlevip:

probably also through nvidia-settings gui if you have an nvidia card

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Aval0n_:

just scroll it?

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Aval0n_:

hmm

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Aval0n_:

bummer

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hatlevip:

nm, that is if it's bigger

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hatlevip:

if it's smaller i really don't know what it will do, i guess probably what you want though

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Aval0n_:

:)

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Aval0n_:

does mythtv have a screen save built in?

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hatlevip:

mythtv uses dpms

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hatlevip:

you can set up a screen saver and myth will respect it

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Aval0n_:

excellent

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hatlevip:

myth will disable it when watching tv, but not in the menus i think

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Aval0n_:

if i set a screen saver as a different user will it respect it for mythtv user

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Aval0n_:

because I have the ubuntu front end installedf

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hatlevip:

though that is also probably configurable in the options screens

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Aval0n_:

and if i kill mythtv frontend it logs out

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hatlevip:

sorry, i just use screen blanking so no idea about per user screen saver settings

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Aval0n_:

that's what I want to do

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Aval0n_:

is that a screen saver?

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Aval0n_:

just blank

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hatlevip:

dpms just turns a monitor off

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Aval0n_:

is that a user specifi setting?

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hatlevip:

man xset to see all the options

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hatlevip:

basically i have an xset line in my .xsession to control dpms so i guess it's user specific but not really sure

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hatlevip:

but mythtv controls the screen saver/blanking by turning on and off dpms i believe

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Akuma:

Hello, I have a quick question: is there any way to display only video files in the video browser in the mythVideo plugin, or does it have to reference every file on the read directory?

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hatlevip:

ummm, i think the setting is browse files or not

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hatlevip:

Akuma, you can run the video manager and there is a viewable toggle i believe as well

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hatlevip:

Akuma, you can also exclude files by extension in the mythvideo setup screens

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tcpsyn:

I still got this line 3/4 up the screen on my recordings... I didn't notice it on hd recordings, but I am now...

[03:56:19]

tcpsyn:

It's driving me crazy.

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tcpsyn:

Think that's a modeline issue?

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hatlevip:

is it in the recording?

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tcpsyn:

No, I only see it on my tv.. Not the monitor.

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tcpsyn:

and it's on dvds too

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hatlevip:

ugh

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hatlevip:

that doesn't sound good

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tcpsyn:

I noticed a similar line in lower resolutions, but it scrolls up the screen.

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tcpsyn:

hatlevip, only dvd's I play through myth.

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tcpsyn:

It's not on my playstation or anything, so I don't think it's the tv.

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hatlevip:

tcpsyn, ahhh, that's good then

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tcpsyn:

and I only notice it on moving picture

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tcpsyn:

any ideas?

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floppyears:

does anyone here use the ms mce remote ?

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Raspi:

I use the MS MCE remote

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Raspi:

you need to use the mceusb2 drivers if you bought it in the last few years

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blackest:

i hate remotes ;P

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blackest:

lirc is a pig to use

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blackest:

although using one on a front end probably aint to bad

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tcpsyn:

lirc is pretty simple.

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blackest:

but i have spent two days trying to get blasting going and it doesnt

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tcpsyn:

Oh, I didn't mess with blasting, just recieving

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blackest:

maddening i have a reciever that recieves a transmittter that should transmit codes the reciever learnt and it doesnt understand them

[04:13:43]

blackest:

i can see the reciever blinking as it sends the codes but they are not the codes it wants

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blackest:

i've come to the conclusion i am going to do it manually the stb can switch channels for progs so i just need to set it to do that and put in a manual schedule for myth

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hatlevip:

i know you can test lirc with irw but i have no idea how you test an ir blaster

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blackest:

irw is perfect it knows exactly what i have pressed :)

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blackest:

i'm actually finding a remote extender / transmitter works better i can transmit to my monitor upstairs and control with no delay and switch between 4 inputs the broadcast quality isnt good but the mythbox captures it nicely since its fed by wired connections

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Raspberry:

anybody ever had the zap2it schedule ...

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Raspberry:

I have it mixing up 4 channels in the schedule

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Raspberry:

all the info is there — just on the wrong channels

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blackest:

is it consistent ?

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NightMonkey:

blackest: Are you using the MyBlaster script? http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/MythTV/Extras#Co . . . th_MyBlaster

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blackest:

i will take a look thanks night monkey its one i havent seen

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NightMonkey:

blackest: Your welcome. While the my.tv store has died (taking away some of the documentation links there), the script is still downloadable. Check the comments within the script for usage info.

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blackest:

archive org has a fair few pages

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NightMonkey:

blackest: I use a MyBlaster serial IR emitter with this script, and it's been running with my Dish Network 322 for over 3 years no problem after initial config.

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NightMonkey:

blackest: You might have to tweak it for your own setup. The important thing to realize is that this script does *not* use LIRC to talk to the serial port.

[04:26:55]

NightMonkey:

blackest: Makes things a bit easier – cut out the middleman. ;)

[04:27:01]

Akuma:

I don't know if anyone has had this problem before, and I'm not sure where to ask. I have an irman device, and I have installed libirman (latest). When I tried doing configue for lirc, it tells me it can't find libirman

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Akuma:

even though I have compiled and installed it

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Akuma:

anyone has an idea where I got it wrong?

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blackest:

hmm where does it get the codes ?

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blackest:

doesnt it need the myblaster hardware ?

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Yggdrasil:

hello

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Yggdrasil:

can somone help me out ?

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hatlevip:

yeah

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Yggdrasil:

just a simple question

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Yggdrasil:

ive fairly new to myth

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hatlevip:

shoot

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Yggdrasil:

got most of it working well

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Yggdrasil:

when i pull up the epg

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Yggdrasil:

works great , is there a way to search

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Yggdrasil:

for say like simpsons

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hatlevip:

you want to search the schedule?

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hatlevip:

go to manage recordings, there are plenty of search options in there

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Yggdrasil:

mhmm

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Yggdrasil:

thanks

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Yggdrasil:

hatlevip, can i schedule a channel change without a recording it ?

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hatlevip:

Yggdrasil, like while you're watching livetv?

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JeffATL:

i have a pvr-150 – is the basic process to get it working one of 1) .22 kernel with ivtv and related enabled 2) something about firmware?

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Aval0n_:

anyone here running on a plasma?

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floppyears:

do you guys have problems with the remote keys not being responsive ?

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floppyears:

sometimes one key press acts as two :(

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floppyears:

like if I pressed it 2 times, when I really didn't

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JeffATL:

i need an up to date, definitive guide for getting a pvr-150 working

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JeffATL:

by up to date, i mean 2.6.22 kernel

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hatlevip:

floppyears, what remote?

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hatlevip:

lirc has some repeat options

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floppyears:

I'm using the ms mce remote

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floppyears:

hatlevip: oh, what are they called ?

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floppyears:

could you point me to what I should be googling ?

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hatlevip:

is it supported by lirc?

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floppyears:

yes, I'm using it right now, and otherwise it works perfect

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floppyears:

except for that sometimes one keypress acts like 2

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hatlevip:

in my lircrc there is a repeat = line, maybe try playing with that

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floppyears:

thanks

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hatlevip:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /034012.html

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hatlevip:

in my lircrc i have repeat =3

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hatlevip:

which looks like it only accepts every third keypress

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hatlevip:

you can set the repeat on a per button basis though, obviously you want some keys to repeat and others probably not

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floppyears:

awesome thanks :)

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Aval0n_:

guys do you see anything wrong with my xorg conf?

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Aval0n_:

http://pastebin.org/846

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Aval0n_:

it keeps telling me No valid modes for 1360x768@60Hz

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defaultro:

yes, horiz and vert is not specified

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defaultro:

you have to supply what your monitor can support

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defaultro:

you should not go beyond your monitor's capabilities

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defaultro:

sometimes, it's at the back of the monitor

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defaultro:

or just google it

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defaultro:

good luck. Going back to fluxbox setup.....

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JeffH:

anyone here used the automator before?

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Aval0n_:

defaultro

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Aval0n_:

but why would it tell me invalid mode

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Aval0n_:

even without th refresh

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Aval0n_:

=(

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ReKlipz:

how does myth tv work with on-demand?

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floppyears:

oh, god, I can't believe there are stupid community members like the guy that made this post

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floppyears:

http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=43

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ReKlipz:

does anyone know if there is on-demand support built into mythtv?

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Tanthrix:

On-demand, as in Comcast?

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ReKlipz:

and cox

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ReKlipz:

yes

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Tanthrix:

It doesn't, unfortunately.

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ReKlipz:

what about if you are using an external set top box?

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Tanthrix:

Though, there's really no way it could the way things are setup.

[07:06:59]

ReKlipz:

(which you can then use the remote to actually do the ordering)

[07:07:16]

Tanthrix:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Digital_Cable

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ReKlipz:

and then just view the channel it comes in on, but you lose all of the listings info

[07:07:30]

Tanthrix:

That might give you a bit of info on what's possible

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Tanthrix:

You could record stuff manually by going into on-demand, pressing play, then recording the analog output from your box manually via myth, but you'd get no listings or anything like that

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Tanthrix:

You don't even need myth to do something like that – could just cat the video from your tuner

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ReKlipz:

yeah

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AngryElf:

does mythweb work with php5?

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ReKlipz:

the cat option you mentioned, is true for any firewire STB though

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Tanthrix:

Hrm? No, I was referring to an analog tuner

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ReKlipz:

Tanthrix: the box would be connected via firewire

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anykey_:

AngryElf: yeah, it does

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ReKlipz:

aka, tune mythtv to the channel that the box would play indemand on

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ReKlipz:

err, on demand

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ReKlipz:

but like you said, you wouldnt have any info about what you're watching

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ReKlipz:

plus having to use the remote would be a pain

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AngryElf:

For some reason when I add the <directory> block to my /etc/apache/apache2.conf (ubuntu) conf the mythweb directory disappears when trying to view it in a browser

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ReKlipz:

i may look into getting lirc to work as the remote

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AngryElf:

the directory block given in the readme file about allowing followSymLinks etc..

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Tanthrix:

ReKlipz: Oh, gotcha.

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MissDjax:

re

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Joco:

anyone had issues with mythtv v0.20 and gnome-screensaver? Specifically v0.20 does not seem to be supressing the screensaver activation during TV playback and I am sure this version is supposed to. Cheers.

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DustyBin:

i woke up this morning and my server logs were full to the brim

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DustyBin:

i checked my logs

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DustyBin:

12 gigs worth

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DustyBin:

100% full root partition

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DustyBin:

15 gig size

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juski:

heh. you database is likely screwed then

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DustyBin:

i looked at the logs and it says

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DustyBin:

lircd-0.8.0[2683]: devinput_rec

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DustyBin:

lircd-0.8.0[2683]: error reading '/dev/input/event4'

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DustyBin:

12 gigs of that error

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laga:

it bet it compresses very well

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juski:

if your mysq; files are on / your database is very likely badly corrupted now

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DustyBin:

they are..

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DustyBin:

it doesnt matter

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DustyBin:

ill reset them up

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juski:

means you'll lose your settings & recordings though

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laga:

ffs, the clock on my amster backend is wrong.. like 20 minutes

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DustyBin:

i blame the people at LIRC, bastards.

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juski:

mysql *really* doesn't like running out of room

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DustyBin:

my backup script would of kicked in about 2am this morning

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DustyBin:

so i could use that

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juski:

yeah but where was it gonna put it? / ?

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juski:

;)

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DustyBin:

yes..

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juski:

when there was no space left? tricky

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DustyBin:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1185548 2007-08–20 04:30 mythconverg_week.34.2007-08–20_04h30m.sql.gz

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DustyBin:

that what i like to see :-)

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DustyBin:

hopefully when that happened my root wasnt already full up

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DustyBin:

its only recent that one has got the NOVA-T 500 remote working

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DustyBin:

maybe the errors are down to bugs in the driver

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juski:

I don't need lirc on my backend :)

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DustyBin:

DEVICE="/dev/input/event4" <-- the problem is this

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DustyBin:

lircd-0.8.0[2683]: error reading '/dev/input/event4'

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juski:

I get logs full of kernel crap when I plug my bluetooth adapter in

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DustyBin:

lircd-0.8.0[2683]: devinput_rec

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jarle:

Does this look like mythfilldatabase has gone into an eternal loop? http://www.pastebin.ca/664285 It has been running for 9 hours now without completing!

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Dark_Apostrophe:

Hello. How do these TV cards work on GNU/Linux w/MythTV? I'm concidering buying one of them. http://www.pcutstyr.no/main.php3?PI=info&PNO=122312 http://www.pcutstyr.no/main.php3?PI=info&PNO=155060

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jarle:

Dark_Apostrophe: linuxtv.org

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juski:

eew not the pvr usb2.. linux drivers are patchy at best I think

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Dark_Apostrophe:

jarle: Ok

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jarle:

Dark_Apostrophe: They have a list of supported cards and how "working" the drivers are...

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jarle:

Dark_Apostrophe: or you could talk to the guys in #linuxtv

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juski:

just read their wiki rather than bother them with questions about which hardware works

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DustyBin:

everytime you press a key on your remote it gets recorded to syslog

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DustyBin:

i wonder how you can stop that happening

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Pavel_K:

hello, canyou help me? I havedebian sid with precompiled mythtv-0.20, and mythtv-setup can't lock siginal on my skystar2 (dvb-s), diseqc is configured as lnb universal european. With vdr is everything OK, but i want fully functioned mythtv

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juski:

Pavel_K: you need to tell mythtv-setup to tune to a transponder

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Pavel_K:

when i scanning a transporder, it stay at3% and status: no lock

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Pavel_K:

sorry for my bad english

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laga:

Pavel_K: astra?

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Pavel_K:

yes, 19.2

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laga:

scanfrequenzen fuer ASTRA19.2?E 12551500 (frequency), vertikal (polarity), 22000000 (symbol rate), qpsk (modulation)

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laga:

^^ try those

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Pavel_K:

oh yeah, it scanning

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Pavel_K:

thanks, but i understand,...how scan whole sat?

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juski:

I don't think you *can* scan a whole satellite. picking up other transponders during a scan is possible but only if the transponder you scan carries details of others

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juski:

speaking of scanning – UK folks will probably have to scan today to get the new c4+1 channel (and lose filmfour+1)

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juski:

bah and no channel4 +1 xmltvid yet

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laga:

juski: is your dbox2 made by nokia?

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juski:

laga: yeah

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laga:

juski: avia500? crashy?

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juski:

laga: not really. dunno which chip it's got

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juski:

I haven't paid much attention to it lately – finding myself using it less & less

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juski:

oo shite. backend has fallen over

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juski:

EITScanner: Now looking for EIT data on multiplex of channel 70

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juski:

same old same old

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laga:

juski: i just found a note saying that the avia watchdog may cause the box to crash. i'm about to send mine to janneg so i can't test it

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juski:

I use one of the dodgy images, so I wouldn't know. haven't updated it in ages

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laga:

ah, heh

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laga:

i just updated mine yesterday. the hallenberg flashing assistant works nicely in virtualbox ;)

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juski:

wonder what that does besides being a tftp server

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laga:

it uses the dbox boot manager under the hood..

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laga:

i couldn't be bothered to go through the whole tftp mess again so i set up win xp in a vm

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juski:

and I dunno wtf mythtv has given channel4+1 a channel number of 193

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olsta:

hi

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olsta:

i want use mythstremtv

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olsta:

but which is the actually source?

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phatmonkey:

is it just me or is the site down?

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juski:

is what site down?

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phatmonkey:

mythtv.org

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juski:

it's just you. as usual

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phatmonkey:

PING mythtv.org (140.211.167.131) 56(84) bytes of data.

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phatmonkey:

From aimless.aaisp.net.uk (81.187.81.2) icmp_seq=1 Destination Net Unreachable

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phatmonkey:

probably some routing problem i guess

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juski:

wheeeeeeeeeee

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phatmonkey:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.21

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phatmonkey:

i updated that last night

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phatmonkey:

vast number of commits to go through, took about 6 hours

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laga:

phatmonkey: cool stuff!

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phatmonkey:

i use mythtv so much, felt it was time to pay it back

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juski:

phatmonkey: you missed dvbradioexport & the iPod export script ;)

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juski:

!trout Freeview stupid

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** MythLogBot slaps Freeview with a stupid trout on behalf of juski... **

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juski:

idiot channel numbering changes

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** laga adds "use strict;" to juski's ipod export script and watches it break **

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phatmonkey:

guess that can be added to utility apps can't it

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juski:

laga: will you tell somebody who cares?

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laga:

juski: i do care, but obviously not enough to fix it

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juski:

it works without use strict, so what's the problem? some purist will bust a blood vessel somewhere?

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phatmonkey:

i don't like use strict very much, all the variable declarations get messy and confusing

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phatmonkey:

almost starts to look like C

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** phatmonkey shudders **

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juski:

I dabble in both. neither concern me much. they're all awful

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juski:

:-O !! http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/284705

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phatmonkey:

good lord

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phatmonkey:

is it worth switching to SVN for my myth box? is it stable enough considering the luddite members of my family have to use it too...

[12:10:58]

juski:

if livetv is important to you, I wouldn't

[12:11:22]

phatmonkey:

what's wrong with live tv then?

[12:11:35]

phatmonkey:

the watched flag and flv video are very enticing...

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juski:

you could try it, and if it doesn't work out, restore a backed up database from before the upgrade

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jarle:

Does this look like mythfilldatabase has gone into an eternal loop? http://www.pastebin.ca/664285 It has been running for 12 hours now without completing!

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laga:

"QMYSQL3: Unable to connect"

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jarle:

laga: I see that, but I would imagine that it would exit sooner or later?

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jarle:

laga: and it seems like it was able to connect a couple of lines further down?

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DustyBin:

all we need now is a myth youtube plug in

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laga:

DustyBin: "we"?

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DustyBin:

haha me

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laga:

DustyBin: btw, use mythbrowser in trunk

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DustyBin:

ive never been keen on mythbrowser

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DustyBin:

is there major changes since the ones used in 0.20

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laga:

yes. you can use plugins now. eg the flash plugin

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Ruleke:

I might use mythbrowser on my new hd tv... display the traffic information before I leave in the morning :)

[13:31:02]

DustyBin:

im tempted to try out myth apple trailers

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juski:

ffs

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juski:

cheepies!

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Ruleke:

gday jusker

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juski:

at this point you'll no doubt realise it's a good job somebody like me doesn't have a say in what features are included :-P

[13:32:19]

juski:

but trailers.. FFS. what's the f'ing point?

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DustyBin:

juski: to see what new films are coming out!

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laga:

it's just an innocent php script

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juski:

lame features v 4.0 :)

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** DustyBin starts coding Myth YouTube **

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juski:

lame features v 4.1

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juski:

mythnews is doing youtube now anyway

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juski:

for what *that* is worth

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DustyBin:

what has news got to do with youtube?

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juski:

what does rss have to do with news?

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laga:

what the wtf?

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juski:

I watched a youtube vid on TV with XBMC once. not something I want to repeat. it's not designed for big screens at all

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DustyBin:

lol

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DustyBin:

thats all what that AppleTV does!

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juski:

unless you sit far away enough it doesn't look blocky anymore, but then you might aswell watch on your PC

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DustyBin:

jeeze, it must look terrible

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juski:

as shite ideas go, it's pretty high up the list

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juski:

but the \. people of this world see it as a 'must-have' feature

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juski:

doesn't matter how crap it is ;)

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DustyBin:

i believe AppleTV can stream youtube content

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Ruleke:

I like the idea of organised copyright infringement made easy, not sure what else youtube is supposed to be

[13:41:01]

Ruleke:

I like being able to watch old shows from childhood on demand

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juski:

well, it has a slightly higher signal to noise ratio than the -users mailing list, but not much

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kslater:

yes, but not SpeedRacer

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DustyBin:

if everyone used the internet to watch television in the world, there would be serious bandwidth problems

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juski:

DustyBin: not if all the videos are blocky postage stamp size mpeg4 ;)

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DustyBin:

i read somewhere that if more and more people start to use sites like youtube ISPs will have to increase prices

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juski:

I read somewhere that a serial killer is gonna start tracking down users who make feature requests without providing patches

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juski:

or did I just dream about it? hmmm

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DustyBin:

hehe

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laga:

juski: did you wake up all covered in blood after having that dream?

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juski:

laga: no, but found a heap of bloodstained clothes & a blood-spatterred chainsaw in the bin

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DustyBin:

MythRecipe – Recipes for your TV computer in the kitchen. **COUGH**

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DustyBin:

im not quite what kind of drugs the person was in when they has that idea..

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DustyBin:

*on

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juski:

MythFM – FM radio recording plugin which doesn't acknowledge the fact that mythtv might want to use the tuner to record television

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DustyBin:

lol

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Ruleke:

:)

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Ruleke:

I've not recorded radio in my life. ever.

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Ruleke:

boggles the mind what you would want to record

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juski:

dvb radio rocks. i record plays, comedies & documentaries every day to listen to in the car on the way to & from work

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Ruleke:

yeah ok, I meant FM really

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Ruleke:

you listen to that directly, imho

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Ruleke:

if that

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Ruleke:

around here all FM stations are just music interrupted by people talking

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juski:

yeah well only in the UK FM is being switched off in less than 10 years

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praet:

juski: I always wanted to pause and skip in radio broadcasts

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Ruleke:

except DAB, there you have continuous music or interesting programmes

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juski:

DAB sounds like poo

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Ruleke:

really ?

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juski:

128kbits mpeg1 layer 2. yay :-\

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juski:

Ruleke: in the *UK* it does, yes

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DustyBin:

juski: what can DVB radio do?

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juski:

DVB radio, where they have room for extra bitrate. higher sample rate too

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** DustyBin tunes in **

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Ruleke:

juski: oh ok

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juski:

and on DVB radio you can get MHEG graphics & crap

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Ruleke:

:)

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DustyBin:

just just tuned into a dvb radio channel, screen went blank, and no remote control action :-O

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juski:

though for DAB they've been talking about 'radio with pictures'. When I heard about that I remember thinking "wait a sec.. don't we already have that & call it 'television'?"

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Ruleke:

juski: http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/dab/worldwide_dab.htm I see...

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DustyBin:

lol

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juski:

oh yeah and don't forget the majority of DAB radios in the UK will be rendered obsolete by DAB+ in a few years. muhahahaha

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Ruleke:

way more channels tho

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juski:

Ruleke: more channels, but still no real choice. bland music, vs more bland music, vs talk, vs sport

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Ruleke:

seems around here it's all 160... :-/

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juski:

IMHO, radio is way better than TV. my imagination paints a more detailed picture than HDTV :-P

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Ruleke:

juski: so you looking forward to dab+ ? ;)

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pyrodex:

Ok I have a weird problem, 2 tuners, pvr350/pvr500. Until recent the pvr500 has worked fine but I recently rebuilt the settings from mythtv-setup and now the tuner works from command line but mythtv can't tune to the proper channels do you still have to use a tuner program for the internal tuner cards or will myth auto tune without an application?

[14:05:43]

DustyBin:

pyrodex, why dont you clear your tuner settings, rescan channels again

[14:05:47]

juski:

Ruleke: I'm not looking fwd to dab+ at all, other than being keen to see the furore when the public find out what a con DAB was

[14:06:22]

DustyBin:

before i decide on what TV to buy, im going to scan through this list

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DustyBin:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Modeline_Database

[14:06:56]

Ruleke:

huh ?

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Ruleke:

why ?

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Ruleke:

just get a tv with proper EDID

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DustyBin:

EDID ?

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pyrodex:

DustyBin I did a rescan and it found them all properly.

[14:07:40]

Ruleke:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDID

[14:08:24]

DustyBin:

pyrodex: make sure your tuners are setup with the correct channel data, EIT etc

[14:08:58]

pyrodex:

Dusty they are also, I wonder if its a bug in the latest svn

[14:09:20]

Ruleke:

did you update ivtv ?

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DustyBin:

well mine works ok with channel scanning, but i dont use your cards

[14:09:30]

Ruleke:

you need to use the new api

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pyrodex:

I am running the latest ivtv from atrpms.

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Ruleke:

which is ?

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pyrodex:

ivtv-1.0.1–133.fc6

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Ruleke:

should be ok

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juski:

packages of ivtv? weird!

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Ruleke:

it contains one frontend modules and the fb driver these days iirc

[14:10:53]

Ruleke:

the rest is merged :)

[14:11:44]

Ruleke:

I suppose the rpm correctly depends on >=2.6.22 ?

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Pupbuntu:

hey, im in TX (USA) and have been getting my HDHomeRun signals over the air with an antenna. My reception isn't very good so I was going to get cable. Should I ask if their signal is "digital" or "high def" or ... something else? to see if it will work with my HDHomeRun? I'm just not sure what it should be called

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pyrodex:

yes

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pyrodex:

back sorry someone came to my desk, yea its weird. I just did a tweak and seeing if it will help.

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DustyBin:

have nvidia made any cards what support '1366x768' ?

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DustyBin:

*chips

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Ruleke:

DustyBin: I don't know of any that can't do it

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Ruleke:

if your monitor misses the edid for it, you need a custom modeline though

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Yggdrasil:

hello anyone in ?

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juski:

nope

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Yggdrasil:

me either

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Yggdrasil:

im wondering about doing a guide search

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Yggdrasil:

like say i want to see if theres a simpsons on

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Yggdrasil:

theres no way to do it from the epg

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Yggdrasil:

or say for instance im looking for a movie, if i want the epg t oshow only movies. is there any way to do that?

[14:30:56]

Pavel_K:

DustyBin ..> http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce6_techspecs.html

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pyrodex:

so with kenerl 2.6.22 ivtv is built in now however do we still need the modules.conf line for ivtv?

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gbee:

Yggdrasil: you are right, there is no way to do it from the EPG, but there is always the program finder, search lists and a few other search methods

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Yggdrasil:

hmm

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Yggdrasil:

gbee

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Yggdrasil:

i set a key for finder

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Yggdrasil:

and it didnt do anything

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Yggdrasil:

finder is under um livetv key settings (under set keys)

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Yggdrasil:

?

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Yggdrasil:

like how many channels do you guys have ?

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GreyFoxx:

a lot fo mine are duplicate, 80 on the pvr cards, 8 via iptv, and close to 300–400 on the digital box over firewire

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GreyFoxx:

all of my stuff is sourced from the same cable company so the 80 on the pvr cards are all available on the firewire, and the 8 iptv are available on the pvr cards or the firewire box

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GreyFoxx:

so I guess 300–400 individual channels

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Yggdrasil:

mhmm

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Yggdrasil:

mines hooked into satelites

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Yggdrasil:

i think im maybe at about 800

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Yggdrasil:

so the search guide featuer is kind of important

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GreyFoxx:

I use to use dvbs but eventually the FTA channels were too few. So until I pickup a motor to rotate my dish around I'm not using that right now

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Yggdrasil:

yea

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Yggdrasil:

fta channels

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Yggdrasil:

i just need to knwo how to search

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GreyFoxx:

I've never used the epg to search

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GreyFoxx:

there is a program filder under the schedule menu though

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GreyFoxx:

err finder

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Yggdrasil:

now that where i get confuesd

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Yggdrasil:

because it seems as if i have to record something

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Yggdrasil:

to get that t owork

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GreyFoxx:

that is for scheduling recordings

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GreyFoxx:

I don';t believe there is a "find this show on a channel now and let me watch it" type feature

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Yggdrasil:

dam

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Yggdrasil:

amazing

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GreyFoxx:

At least nothing that springs to find

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Yggdrasil:

hmmm

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Yggdrasil:

how odd

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Yggdrasil:

ive searched all the wikis and how tos

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Yggdrasil:

now this program finder

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Yggdrasil:

i assigned the key but nothing happens

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Yggdrasil:

is there a place that i have to go to start that up ?

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GreyFoxx:

Anytime I've started it up I navigate the myth menus to it

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GreyFoxx:

which admittedly is very rare. I don't find I have to use it often

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GreyFoxx:

99% of my scheduling and searching is done via mythweb

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Yggdrasil:

yea

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Yggdrasil:

thats what everyone has said

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Yggdrasil:

i need something that works from the remote control

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Yggdrasil:

ill keep searching

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GreyFoxx:

You are not going to find something that you can pull up from the LiveTV screen to pick a show from ase4rarch field and jump to it's channel

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GreyFoxx:

The closest thing is the regular program guide

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Yggdrasil:

hmm

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Yggdrasil:

im confused

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Yggdrasil:

thats like the most basic of features

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Yggdrasil:

or like to make the epg show only movies

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Yggdrasil:

or show only sports

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Yggdrasil:

is another thing thats common

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GreyFoxx:

In the last 4 years you are maybe the second person I've seen here or on the -users mailing list ask for it

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gbee:

Yggdrasil: reason is pretty simple really, not many people bother with LiveTV once they can record everything they'd want to watch automatically

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Yggdrasil:

mhmm

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Yggdrasil:

i can see your point

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GreyFoxx:

I can see the value in it in the program guide though. Show movies only and such

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gbee:

"Mould TV around your life, not your life around TV" etc

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Yggdrasil:

mhmm

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GreyFoxx:

but few people keep using livetv after having started recording stuff

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Yggdrasil:

well i jsut got everything up and running on friday

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Yggdrasil:

so i was still puzzling a few things out

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: my channel grouping plan should make it easier to browse the EPG when you've a lot of channels

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Yggdrasil:

and tweaking out the rmote control

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Yggdrasil:

my channel grouping huh

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GreyFoxx:

and with auto expire and such you can say "record all simpsons ojn any channel, but only keep 3 episodes. ?Auto delete old ones when new ones are recorded

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Yggdrasil:

oh interesting

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Yggdrasil:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

For instance I do that with about 10 shows for my daughter

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Yggdrasil:

i might have to throw another card in my box ;)

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gbee:

there is a ticket, opened by Xris originally, for the channel grouping functionality

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GreyFoxx:

always records new and removes the old

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Yggdrasil:

well i know that most simpsons on sundays are new

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gbee:

Yggdrasil: in that case you have have it always record any Simpsons episodes shown on Sundays and keep them around when it deletes repeats recorded during the week – all sorts is possible with the recording rules, pretty powerful stuff

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Yggdrasil:

ok ill dig into it

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Yggdrasil:

but i know the wife is a live tv watcher

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Yggdrasil:

shes fin with manual scan of the guide

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GreyFoxx:

my wife was

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Yggdrasil:

mhm

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GreyFoxx:

then a week later she wasn'

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GreyFoxx:

t

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gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/199

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Yggdrasil:

haha

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GreyFoxx:

in fact, she HATES watching livetv now

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GreyFoxx:

cause she can't skip the commercials

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Yggdrasil:

yea

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Yggdrasil:

well you know i also need to work on getting an ir reciever for my

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Yggdrasil:

box , the twinhan remote i have has too few keys for me

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: Do you know why we have both an airdate and and originalairdate in the program table ?

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: one is badly named, it's used for the year of release for a film, whereas originalairdate is the date that an episode was first shown (at least that's what I've always believed the difference to be)

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GreyFoxx:

It looks like mythweb is showing "airdate" when it intended to show originalairdate

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GreyFoxx:

cause the popup, and when I open up a show in mythweb is showing the airdate value which are almost all "2000" and not the originalairdate value

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: not suprising, those two always end up getting confused

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gbee:

iirc there was a ticket for that issue, I thought I'd looked into it but if you are seeing it, then I never did fix it

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GreyFoxx:

I've been poking more directly at the program table for the last few days while testing the Schedulesdirect feed and noticed it

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GreyFoxx:

hadn't really noticed much before :)

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g31:

isn't the original airdate supposed to tell if it is a new episode or a rerun?

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Ruleke:

I always thought it was the 'release' date of a movie

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: I take it that you are running recent trunk?

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gbee:

Ruleke: no, that's airdate

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: yup

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GreyFoxx:

g31: There is a field for that actually "previouslyshown"

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gbee:

which is why, as I said above, it was badly named because _everyone_ confuses airdate with originalairdate

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Ruleke:

gah :)

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g31:

ok, so I should be able to set up a "season pass" type of a rule,

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Ruleke:

no wonder I was so confused when mapping my custom xmltv grabber to myth, mythweb just got it wrong

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janneg:

it's cleaner in ProgramInfo. airdate is called year there

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Ruleke:

yep

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Ruleke:

so it wasn't showing up in mythweb, which was displaying originalairdate :)

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defaultro:

hi folks, I have never owned a PVR150. Can we record shows via its RCA inputs?

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defaultro:

and are there other better alternatives to PVR150 mce?

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defaultro:

RCA input recording too

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Ruleke:

sure, if you tune your cable box or whatever :)

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defaultro:

how do I change channels if using RCA?

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gbee:

defaultro: nothing better than the PVR150 unless you want to record HD

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defaultro:

do I need a transmitter

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defaultro:

ok, i should go with pvr150 mce then

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gbee:

defaultro: yeah, also known as an IR Blaster

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Ruleke:

ideally, unless you are interested in one channel :)

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defaultro:

yes, because the channel I want to record for my wife is beyond 125

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defaultro:

it's encrypted by comcast

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defaultro:

so RCA recording is fine with me

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gbee:

this is assuming that you don't have a better option, such as directly recording the DVB/ATSC stream or Firewire

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gbee:

heh, which you don't

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

i am recording HD via firewire and dvico fusion

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defaultro:

the rca recording is for my wife

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defaultro:

like what I said, it's encrypted

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Aval0n:

anyone here running mythtv out to a plasma or lcd>?

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defaultro:

Avalon, my friend does

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Aval0n:

what distro is he running

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defaultro:

fedora

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Aval0n:

hmm

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defaultro:

i told him to use fedora :)

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defaultro:

i guided him

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Aval0n:

ubuntu hates all my mode lines

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Aval0n:

using gtf and http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl

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defaultro:

i already told you this morning

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Aval0n:

to make the modelines

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Aval0n:

?

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defaultro:

you have to specify the hor and vert

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Aval0n:

I belive I have been...

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defaultro:

Search for NoEDID

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defaultro:

Options NoEDID

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Aval0n:

and I have that as well

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defaultro:

something like that

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Aval0n:

let me pastebin my xorg

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defaultro:

nioe

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defaultro:

nope

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defaultro:

not right now :)

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Aval0n:

0_o

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defaultro:

i ddidn't have enough sleep due to this fluxbox

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defaultro:

i slept 5am

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defaultro:

woke up 8:30am

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defaultro:

went back on it again to fix it and finally got it working

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defaultro:

am a bit tired right now. I just want to chat, talk about brands, products

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defaultro:

:P

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Aval0n:

sure thing

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defaultro:

what about the other folks here, what have they recommended

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defaultro:

what is your lcd?

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defaultro:

how old is it?

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defaultro:

what are the capabilities

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defaultro:

did you know that plasmas/lcd are fixed pixels

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defaultro:

what are the hottest capture card right now that can do dual capturing of hd?

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: think you could get a screenshot of the mythweb page affected or something like that? I can't see where we're displaying the wrong info

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gbee:

found where we are at least labelling it incorrectly

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: ok nevermind, I see the problem and will look into it

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Aval0n:

:)

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jams:

i could have swore that mythweb thing was fixed a long time ago

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Aval0n:

it's a plasma

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: k :)

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Aval0n:

supports 1366x768 res native

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Aval0n:

i've read that hdmi only support 480p/720p/1080p

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Aval0n:

but in the same forum I read that not using EDID and if you tv scales that you could possibly use more

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Aval0n:

since I know for a fact that DVI supports more than that

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Aval0n:

and hdmi is supposed to pretty much be the same thing

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defaultro:

I don't know if that is true 1080p

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Aval0n:

my brain hurts

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Aval0n:

my panel is only 1080i

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defaultro:

need some help folks, where can I find and download dvb-fe-nxt2002.fw?

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Aval0n:

but I prefer to run 1366x768 or 1280x768 if I could

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defaultro:

I think, I remember my friend use 1364

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Aval0n:

defa: use the get_dvb_firmware script

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defaultro:

hmmm, where is that script?

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Aval0n:

sec

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defaultro:

that's new :)

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defaultro:

read your Xorg.0.log to find out specific error

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defaultro:

ah, /usr/src/linux-2.6.22/Documentation/dvb/get_dvb_firmware :)

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Aval0n:

there you go

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Aval0n:

defaultro i'm sick of looking at Xorg.0.log

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Aval0n:

lol

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gbee:

right now I'd like to provide a patch for the Dolby/Subtitle stuff for DataDirect, be nice if it can go in around the same time as the SD switch

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Aval0n:

it always just says no valid modes for _____ removing

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defaultro:

BAM

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Aval0n:

but the modelines I put are correct

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defaultro:

thanks for that tool,it's running now

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Aval0n:

sure

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defaultro:

i don't use sourceforge

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defaultro:

let me look at my archived websige

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defaultro:

website

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defaultro:

you know, I'm also using that link. LOL

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defaultro:

http://web.archive.org/web/20070212125605/res . . . pc2hdtv.html

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defaultro:

I haven't brought my restricted.dyndns.org back to life yet

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defaultro:

the link is somewhere below which also points to the sourceforge you posted

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Aval0n:

I'm ready to beat my face on the table

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defaultro:

:0

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defaultro:

look at my xorg.conf there too

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defaultro:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060620214706/res . . . v_as_crt.txt

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Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

looks good

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Aval0n:

i've done pretty much the same thing

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Aval0n:

brb checking mine again

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defaultro:

i've used that for more than 2 years

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defaultro:

don't copy the modelines there

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defaultro:

it might whack your plasma

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defaultro:

I'm using it for an RPTV HDTV

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defaultro:

which isn't fixed pixel

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defaultro:

quick question folks. I restored from a January 2007 backup. When I delete recordings, it goes back in few seconds. LOL. Why is it so?

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defaultro:

I mean, non-existent recordings

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defaultro:

the file isn't anymore in filesystem

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defaultro:

I deleted them manually in mysql but when I went back to fe, some are still there

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defaultro:

is there any cache that I should delete?

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gbee:

defaultro: because the file doesn't exist it's refusing to remove the entry from the database, it thinks that the filesystem is temporarily unavailable and so doesn't want to delete the entry in the database until it's sure that it has also correctly deleted the actual file

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gbee:

defaultro: if you 'touch' the missing files it will then delete it correctly

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gbee:

this behaviour has been improved in the development version

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Aval0n:

damn it

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Aval0n:

anyone see an issue with my settings?

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Aval0n:

http://pastebin.org/869

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Aval0n:

cat'ing /var/log/Xorg.0.log shows No valid modes for 1360x768@60; removing

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defaultro:

cool gbee

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defaultro:

Avalon, I have to grab my friend's xorg.conf then

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defaultro:

Heroes will be back on Sept 24 :)

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defaultro:

are there other cool sci-fi programs

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Aval0n:

def thanks I would appretiate that

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Aval0n:

is he running a plasma or lcd?

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defaultro:

lcd

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defaultro:

plasma

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defaultro:

i think, it's plasma

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defaultro:

I will email him now

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defaultro:

what is your email?

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Aval0n:

noaccess@gmail.com

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Aval0n:

thank you very much

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defaultro:

how can you access that email?

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Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

it was stupid made it like 8 years ago

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Aval0n:

when gmail was in alpha

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Aval0n:

heh

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Aval0n:

but all my friends know it now :P

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Ruleke:

good thing I got postmaster back then

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Ruleke:

hehe jk

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Cry_wolf2:

Aval0n: What samsung are you using ?

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Aval0n:

Hp-s5053

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Aval0n:

native res is 1366x768

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Ruleke:

though I did manage to reg "postmaster" at a local ISP way back in the dark ages

[16:00:13]

Cry_wolf2:

oh..have a 42q96 and are looking for a good setup..:=)

[16:00:34]

Aval0n:

well mines broken

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Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

so don't use mine

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Cry_wolf2:

yes

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Cry_wolf2:

hehe

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Ruleke:

I'm so glad mine does decent EDID

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** Aval0n envies Ruleke **

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Cry_wolf2:

Mine is only 1024x760

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Cry_wolf2:

-0+8

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Ruleke:

LE46M87

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Ruleke:

I did have a bug before in the EDID for 1080p24

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defaultro:

isn't that very low hz?

[16:02:55]

defaultro:

I've seen some 1080p at 60

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defaultro:

some even go with 72

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Aval0n:

defaultro

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Aval0n:

is he using dvi/hdmi?

[16:03:32]

defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

today, he is

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defaultro:

i just saw his email

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Aval0n:

witht he same xorg.conf

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defaultro:

he bought a new hdtv, now it's 1080p

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defaultro:

scepter 46"

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Aval0n:

ahh and he's obviously using 1080p

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defaultro:

he said, it was so smooth migration

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defaultro:

i have not seen his reply yet to xorg.conf

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Aval0n:

which is a native support hdmi res

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defaultro:

dunno

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Aval0n:

he's probably not having to ignore EDID or anything to get it working

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Aval0n:

curious to see if he has overscan though

[16:04:51]

defaultro:

we'll see once we get his reply

[16:05:04]

Aval0n:

could you ask him if he had probs with overscan, and what he did to rememdy if so?

[16:05:17]

defaultro:

i will

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Aval0n:

when I had 1280x720 working I had bad overscan

[16:05:26]

Aval0n:

couldn't see the menu bars

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defaultro:

hmmm, don't know what's taking him so long

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defaultro:

i just saw a post from him from our friend mailing list. LOL

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Aval0n:

heheh

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defaultro:

let's give him a chance

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defaultro:

just got the email

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defaultro:

:)

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Aval0n:

;)

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defaultro:

i'll post it son

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Aval0n:

k

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defaultro:

after that, you are on your own

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defaultro:

:)

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Aval0n:

haha

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Cry_wolf2:

lol, just go at warning that my gpu is overheating...109 C

[16:10:38]

Cry_wolf2:

And that is on my xp desktop

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defaultro:

http://www.nopaste.com/p/asgInWsGZ

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Aval0n:

109 C ?!?!!

[16:10:45]

Aval0n:

is it glowing red?!

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defaultro:

that is very hot

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Cry_wolf2:

ati catalyst center might be wrong

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defaultro:

it's going to destroy it

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Cry_wolf2:

Fan was stuck :=)

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Cry_wolf2:

88

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defaultro:

lol

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Cry_wolf2:

85

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Cry_wolf2:

Might be time for some cleaning....

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Aval0n:

Option "TVOverScan" "0.6"

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Aval0n:

wtf is that?!

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Aval0n:

omg i hope that's what I think it is

[16:13:16]

defaultro:

that's cool config

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defaultro:

I don't know if TVOverScan works on CRT based hdtv

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loops:

anyone know how to get a list of what the different colors mean in the program guide?

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defaultro:

what is the difference between mythwelcome and mythfrontend?

[16:25:02]

Ribs:

is there a way of getting a list of changes (a changelog?) from the svn version of mythtv

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Ribs:

I'm a bit of a svn virgin here, not too sure where too look...

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Cry_wolf2:

loops: Any special color ? If you have mythweb there is a "map" there

[16:28:23]

loops:

Cry_wolf2, no mythweb here.. was just wondering what the colors meant in the EPG

[16:28:53]

Cry_wolf2:

defaultro: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythwelcome

[16:30:15]

gbee:

loops: I was going to say press F1, but looks like there isn't any context help for the colours, it's defined in the theme ui.xml well in some themes anyway

[16:31:00]

gbee:

loops: otherwise just build up a list by looking at the program categories listed under each colour

[16:32:30]

defaultro:

wow, I learned a new tool from another irc channel but haven't tried it. You aware guys of rhgb?

[16:32:36]

loops:

gbee, thanks; thought maybe there would be a way to get a list... i'll take a peak inside the ui.xml

[16:32:55]

loops:

Red Hat Graphical Boot ?

[16:33:06]

gbee:

loops: there probably should be, but looks like no-one ever thought of it

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defaultro:

yep

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defaultro:

maybe that is it

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defaultro:

what I would like to happen is to provide a jpg or png during bootup until mythv starts

[16:33:46]

defaultro:

I mean, display

[16:33:55]

defaultro:

this way, I won't see the services starting up on my tv

[16:34:07]

defaultro:

it will make my mythtv look like a real appliance

[16:34:16]

defaultro:

do you think, rhgb can do that?

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loops:

yeah.. rhgb will do it.. but it's pretty basic.. there are other ways too, that are part of the kernel so can start up even earlier in the boot process

[16:34:36]

defaultro:

ah

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defaultro:

please tell me

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defaultro:

so that will really prohibit from seeing the services being started correct?

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loops:

defaultro, well i've never tried it, but a common one is called BootSplash

[16:35:48]

defaultro:

they call it splashy now

[16:35:55]

defaultro:

http://www.bootsplash.org/Welcome_to_the_grap . . . rld_of_Linux

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loops:

yeah.. i see that.. and it's moved out of the kernel..

[16:36:50]

loops:

there was another kernel based boot logo program too.. hmm the name escapes me though

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jams:

loops you will also want to look at categories.xml along with ui.xml

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loops:

jams, ahh thanks.. that looks like the ticket

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jams:

loops it all depends on the theme your using.

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defaultro:

k

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Cry_wolf2:

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loops:

Cry_wolf2, a table like that would be perfect, but it doesn't seem to match the EPG colors (MythCenter theme at least)

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Cry_wolf2:

oh, ok. just did a print screen

[16:47:58]

loops:

thanks, appreciate it.. would be nice if the EPG had a pop up like that

[16:48:30]

DustyBin:

ok guys, id like to report a serious problem with the Hauppauge Nova-T Remote Control Driver

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DustyBin:

the remote control works for a time, then it stops and fills the logs up with

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DustyBin:

lircd-0.8.0[2600]: error reading '/dev/input/event4'

[16:49:30]

DustyBin:

and it will fill the syslog up until you run out of space in a very short space of time

[16:49:44]

Cry_wolf2:

hmm, i have that

[16:49:53]

Cry_wolf2:

controll..not the error

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DustyBin:

im going to plug back in my home made serial one

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loops:

DustyBin, you may want to ask the lircd mailing list.. http://www.lirc.org/

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DustyBin:

ok

[16:51:33]

DustyBin:

/usr/sbin/lircd --driver=dev/input --device=/dev/input/event4

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DustyBin:

hmmm

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DustyBin:

shouldnt the driver say: /dev/input ?

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DustyBin:

DRIVER="dev/input"

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DustyBin:

actually i think thats ok

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psm321:

hi

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Aval0n:

so i've decided there is no way to avoid my overscan issues or a way to switch to other resolutions than 1280x720. I've already made mythtv fit by ajusting the gui size settings, is there a way to do that for the desktop size in ubuntu as well?

[16:54:55]

psm321:

how do i get the clear channel settings prompt to showup in newer versions of myth? (used to appear when mythtv-setup started)

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praet:

Aval0n: what video card?

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Aval0n:

7300 gs

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praet:

nvidia-settings?

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Aval0n:

nothing in there

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praet:

no overscan?

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Aval0n:

no

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Aval0n:

nothing for overscan in there

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Aval0n:

there is a couple scaling options

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Aval0n:

like stretch to native resolution

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Aval0n:

which does nothing because it's already at it's native resolution

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praet:

right. I know i set my tv out with overscan from that util. Im not at my machine to check that

[17:01:31]

praet:

What about xorg file? Option "TVOverScan" "0.8" << in monitor

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Aval0n:

i actually tried that

[17:02:04]

Aval0n:

nol ucj

[17:02:06]

Aval0n:

luck

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Aval0n:

you set it WITH overscan?

[17:02:20]

Aval0n:

I don't want overscan

[17:02:25]

Aval0n:

it's happening by default

[17:02:40]

Aval0n:

I want to see my menubars

[17:02:43]

Aval0n:

I can not

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Aval0n:

can you do TVOverScan "-0.8"

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Aval0n:

?

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Aval0n:

the answer there is no

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Aval0n:

doesn't that option go in device?

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RealWayhigh:

does anyone know if hauppauge is still replacing the pvr-150 with the hvr-1600?

[17:09:02]

DustyBin:

jeeze have you ever seen this command before:

[17:09:06]

DustyBin:

udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/input/event4)

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RealWayhigh:

I just got free cable tv with my commercial cable internet so I want to replace my 8vsb card (atsc-110) with something that does qam instead

[17:09:30]

jams:

DustyBin- what about it?

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DustyBin:

ive never come across anything like that before

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xris:

fyi, first 100 signups for schedulesdirect are now available.

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xris:

make that 99....

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defaultro:

hvr-1600 isn't supported

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defaultro:

I want to add an IR blaster. Am I correct that I'm out of luck if I only have 1 COM port since I already have an IR receiver?

[17:14:36]

RealWayhigh:

defaultro: yeah I know the 1600 isn't supported and I know I read that they'd been replacing the pvr-150 for the hvr-1600 inside the pvr-150 box with a note saying they swapped it. Obviously, that wont work so the question is, are they still doing that or have they begun shipping legit 150's again?

[17:16:51]

defaultro:

juski told me yesterday that you can contact hauppage and they will swap it. he also told me that it only was applicable last year. They're shipping 150 now

[17:17:06]

DustyBin:

im going to monitor my syslog with this: watch --interval=60 "tail syslog -n60"

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RealWayhigh:

defaultro: thanks

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RealWayhigh:

I was hoping to hear that..

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defaultro:

hopefully, it's true

[17:18:11]

defaultro:

i need a pvr as well for wifery

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fryfrog:

DustyBin: why don't you just "tail -f syslog"?

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defaultro:

wifey

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RealWayhigh:

if it's not there will be a loud roar and much gnashing of teeth in my house..

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defaultro:

:P

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DustyBin:

-f ?

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defaultro:

i'll contact hauppauge later

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defaultro:

what about dual HD QAM265 tuners, what are your recommendations guys?

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jams:

xris..unknown zipcode when trying to add 53220

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RealWayhigh:

heh.. I betcha that bestbuy has a note on my info now saying something like "**warning*** don't anger!"

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defaultro:

:P

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DustyBin:

oh yes fryfog, that makes sense :D

[17:19:43]

xris:

jams: clearwater?

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xris:

wait, I typod that

[17:19:55]

jams:

milwaukee

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xris:

jams: did it work in Labs?

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jams:

pretty sure it did..let me check that

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RealWayhigh:

I looked up all their executives and emailed them personally and while doing it found a bug in Outlook by accident that allowed me to see who they forwarded my message to inside of bestbuy. I think I collected close to 100 email addresses from throughout their corporation. When all was said and done.. I got 2x my rebate and thanks from their security group for reporting the vulnerability to them.

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jams:

yep thats one of the zip's i'm using for labs

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jams:

shall i try a zipcode thats close by?

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

try again by sending 42.zip file :P hehehe

[17:21:54]

defaultro:

don't do that, that file is dangerous

[17:22:23]

defaultro:

maybe, some SMTP server with antivirus has already addressed that 42.zip issue

[17:22:28]

defaultro:

that was like 4 years ago :)

[17:22:44]

psm321:

sorry for reasking this, there seems to be more activity here now. (i wont reask again for 4+ hours)

[17:22:45]

psm321:

how do i get the clear channel settings prompt to showup in newer versions of myth? (used to appear when mythtv-setup started)

[17:23:40]

xris:

jams: I'll report it and let you know.

[17:23:49]

xris:

jams: yeah, go ahead and poke around.

[17:23:55]

xris:

you're all officially beta testers. :)

[17:24:01]

jams:

xris also you should know that it takes about a minute to login

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jams:

from the time i hit submit to the next screen showing up

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xris:

we have to do a lot of SOAP calls to Tribune for this stuff.. I don't think their systems are holding up very well (which doesn't bode well)

[17:24:52]

Dagmar:

RealWayhigh: Hell, they were reasonable about it? More reason for me to shop there and not at CompUseless

[17:25:14]

janneg:

defaultro: the only device I know is the HDHomeRun

[17:25:33]

defaultro:

k

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Ribs:

psm321, 'clear channel settings prompt' — what's that?

[17:26:14]

psm321:

it used to ask when you ran mythtv-setup

[17:26:17]

Ribs:

in mythtv-setup, there is a channels editor, and you can remove all the channels if you want to

[17:26:22]

Ribs:

is that what you mean?

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psm321:

if you wanted to clear channel settings

[17:26:31]

psm321:

and if you want to clear card settings

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psm321:

not exactly... i'll probably end up doing that if the clear all thing is gone for sure

[17:26:54]

psm321:

i just figured it was moved somewhere else

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jams:

xris i suspect the zipcode is valid, just that things are timing out.

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xris:

jams: ah, that might be

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jams:

53221 also has the same error, and that is the orig zipcode i used with zap2it

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Ribs:

psm321, if you want to clear everything, why not just drop the database?

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Ribs:

psm321, y'know, within mysql

[17:28:22]

xris:

jams: actually, yeah. I can't edit any of my existing lineups, either... thanks

[17:29:14]

jams:

xris also, should i have received an email confiming my signup?

[17:29:24]

xris:

jams: try now. seems things may be better

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psm321:

Ribs: i dont want to clear everything, just the channels

[17:29:31]

jams:

i got one from paypal..but not scheduledirect

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psm321:

Ribs: (moving)

[17:29:57]

Ribs:

hrmmm

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Ribs:

I don't see why the channels editor doesn't do what you want

[17:30:18]

Ribs:

I think I'm not understanding something here

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psm321:

thats what i've done in the past when moving

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psm321:

it probably does

[17:30:40]

psm321:

but does it reset channel numbers and all that? (i dont know)

[17:30:51]

Ribs:

it removes every trace of every channel

[17:30:52]

psm321:

i've just always used the clear channels thing in the past when moving

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Ribs:

as if you never had channels before

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psm321:

ok then thats probably what i'll do

[17:31:16]

Ribs:

in theory, it should still keep recording schedules

[17:31:32]

Ribs:

so when you set them up again, I guess it might re-attach the right schedules to the right channels

[17:31:33]

Ribs:

I dunno

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psm321:

i hope so... (i have too many schedules to redo)

[17:31:52]

psm321:

well i dont have many per-channel schedules so i usually redo those

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DustyBin:

my sys log keeps on saying: last message repeated 401 times

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** DustyBin awaits for the error to come back **

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Ribs:

well, it means the message before that one is the actual error

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Ribs:

which happened a total of 402 times

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DustyBin:

i tried pressing every button on the remote but it hasnt caused any error, i tried using another remote on it and thats what caused

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DustyBin:

dib0700: Unknown remote controller key : 10 2

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DustyBin:

last message repeated 395 times

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DustyBin:

blabla...

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defaultro:

what does MCE mean?

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Cry_wolf2:

Media Center Edition ?

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defaultro:

oh

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Cry_wolf2:

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defaultro:

When we see MCE, does it always point to microsoft?

[17:38:55]

defaultro:

i mean, releate

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defaultro:

relate

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defaultro:

i'm talking about capture cards

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Cry_wolf2:

Think so

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defaultro:

ok

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Cry_wolf2:

MCE certified and so on

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Cry_wolf2:

?

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Cry_wolf2:

Is there any way to make lirc stop trashing syslog with "Aug 20 19:31:02 IKA lircd-0.8.0[2619]: time 1187631062.998373 type 0 code 0 value 0" ans so on ?

[17:40:43]

defaultro:

I saw a site that says mythtv supports this tuner. http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_hvr950.html

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defaultro:

What do you think about this tuner folks?

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defaultro:

looks like it doesn't support QAM

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defaultro:

but it says, WinTV-HVR-950 USB 2.0 TV stick with cable TV or ATSC antenna connection.

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RealWayhigh:

cry_wolf: you could use syslog-ng and just tell it to ignore those message or setup your syslog.conf file to not record that to the file. It's probably under <something>.info but who knows. I'm sure you can look in the lirc code to find out for sure.

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Aval0n:

guys i'm trying to scan for OTA ATSC but my signal strength is staying at 0 and all stations are timing out

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Aval0n:

I have the antenna in the correct place

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Aval0n:

I've tried bot connectors actually

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Aval0n:

it's a kworld 115

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Dagmar:

Documentation is a good thing.

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defaultro:

off topic question folks. I have an assignment folks. I would like to ask for advice. I'm ask to right a scheduled job that will gunzip a file that will be coming from vendor. Time varies. I'm thinking of using cron to schedule the shell script. Is this a good approach?

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defaultro:

s/right/write/

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defaultro:

LOL

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tank-man:

sure

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

so vendor file arrives, my script processes it. However, job is set to run every 5 mins whole day

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defaultro:

maybe, I can just rename the processed file like, vendorA_processed20070820

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DustyBin:

why is it when you want a error to happen, it never happens, but when you dont want it to happen, it happens.

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DustyBin:

my syslog says: — MARK --

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DustyBin:

wtf is MARK?

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DustyBin:

o_0

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psm321:

its just to show you that syslogd is still running i think

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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directhex:

you know how in movies, when they're about to set off a nuke, they say "turn key on my mark... MARK!"

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DustyBin:

lol

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directhex:

well, that's what the message means. the system's launching nukes

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Dagmar:

HAH

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Dagmar:

Actually, it's just noting for posterity (and accountability) that it was actually running then, since it hadn't said anything into the log in the last 20 minutes

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DustyBin:

ok

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directhex:

Dagmar's a spoilsport :(

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DustyBin:

..i think Dagmar has spent far too long in front of computers

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isomorphic:

I know this has been an issue in the past and there is no solution in the mailing list, but is there a workaround to get mythtv fullscreen working with compiz-fusion?

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DustyBin:

eek, why would you want to run compiz with myth :-S

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directhex:

isomorphic, on what graphics card?

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isomorphic:

directhex: nvidia with proprietary drivers.

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isomorphic:

I don't know if you're familiar with the problem, there's a ticket at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3109

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Dagmar:

The fix is to stop using compiz

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Dagmar:

It's buggy

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isomorphic:

well, that's not much of a solution. I guess I'll just deal.

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mintee:

has anyone had any problem, with the mythbackend dying?

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mintee:

my logs aren't complaining about anything, but it sure enough dies... quite often

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DustyBin:

mintee: what version of mythtv are you running?

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mintee:

latest

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DustyBin:

svn?

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|Torg|:

I belive he means what branch of the svn and what revision

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mintee:

oh, no, not svn

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mintee:

using archlinux package management

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DustyBin:

are you running .20 fixes

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mintee:

hum... maybe, since i'm using a distro pkg's, but maybe now.

[19:03:59]

mintee:

err not

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|Torg|:

what is the packages name, where is the repository, and for what platfrom was it made?

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DustyBin:

try and find out if your distros package is the .20 fixes, otherwise compile it yourself

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|Torg|:

DustyBin, im just curious, why use fixes over trunk?

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DustyBin:

i mean check to see if his distro package is using the .20 fixes release, otherwise compile svn

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mintee:

i'm looking...

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mintee:

it's actually called fixes?

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mintee:

0.20.0.20070131–2

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|Torg|:

fixes refers to a branch of the svn tree

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mintee:

ah

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|Torg|:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-20-fixes/

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|Torg|:

trunk, what I was talking about is not a branch but rather the main (well its set up like that)

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|Torg|:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/

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|Torg|:

but 0.20.0.20070131–2 does not correspond to any of it, other then the 0.20 part

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mintee:

yeah, i assume that's just the build date

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|Torg|:

I can guess 20070131 is the date on which it was made, and posibly the 2 is the second attempt?

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mintee:

it's been flagged as out of date

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|Torg|:

if thats from svn code (probbaly is) its about 7 months out of date

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|Torg|:

I can show you the traking tickets, but if you wanted to look there are MANY MANY of them from that long ago

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mintee:

yep... so i guess i'll build from svn

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mintee:

yeah, no worries

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|Torg|:

but even 1 year old myth should not be ending on its own

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mintee:

keyword... "should not"

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|Torg|:

it sounds like you have hardware issues, its a wild guess becasue without logs its damn near imposible to tell

[19:11:22]

mintee:

it is... and it sucks

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|Torg|:

what logs do you have? what do they tell you? what have you done so far?

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mintee:

the logs have no complaint whatsoever about the crash

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|Torg|:

do you run X as a user? if so what user?

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mintee:

other than look at the logs, and complain, i haven't really done much.

[19:12:10]

mintee:

running X as root

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|Torg|:

do you run a session manager?

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immolo:

mintee- have you changed the log settings to make them more verbose?

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mintee:

using fluxbox

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|Torg|:

immolo is getting ahead of me, but yes thats where I was going

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immolo:

|Torg|- shouldn't that be the first step :P

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|Torg|:

what is in /root/.xesssion-errors

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mintee:

immolo, i didn't think i could. from what i've read there is some weird debugging way to figure it out.

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DustyBin:

fluxbox is the ultimate window manager for mythtv

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|Torg|:

immolo first step is to see where he is logign to :P

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mintee:

mythfrontend never dies off.. just the backend

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|Torg|:

run it with -v all (and boy will it grow fast) and redirect that somewhere you can hold allot of text

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DustyBin:

mintree: cut down on chocolates and crisps then your backend might start working again

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mintee:

lol, DustyBin

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immolo:

|Torg|- good point

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|Torg|:

mintee how do you start mythbackend?

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mintee:

archlinux came with an rc script

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mintee:

crap..

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|Torg|:

without knowing the rc scipt, go look at it

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mintee:

i'm at the office...

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|Torg|:

see if it logs it?

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mintee:

heh

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mintee:

I'm leaving here soon.

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|Torg|:

you can try -v all,nodatabase that will make it *somewhat* smaller

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|Torg|:

unless you really think its dying on a databse query (like mysql being inaccesable, netowrk issues, or other)

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mintee:

nah, mysql has no errors

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|Torg|:

also look in dmesg, esp if you suspect its hardware related

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floppyears:

/var/logs/syslog or kernlog would be good places to check as well

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mintee:

and of course there is nothing I can do to make it crash... sometimes it will stay up for like 3–4 days, before it goes down

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|Torg|:

floppyears isnt that /var/log without the s?

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DustyBin:

mintee: why dont you compile latest version?

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floppyears:

can't remember ;)

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mintee:

DustyBin, I will when I get home...

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DustyBin:

ok

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mintee:

i'm not really sure how to use svn, but I think i can figure it out

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DustyBin:

ill show y

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DustyBin:

u

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|Torg|:

DustyBin not that I disagree but shoulndt he determine why it was crashing rather then add more complexity by adding new software, especially if he can not accuratly recreate the circumstances of the crash?

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mintee:

cool,, you gonna be around in the next hour?

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|Torg|:

I agree, he will eventually recompile his software, but to do that first would make diagnosis harder

[19:20:39]

DustyBin:

well, by installing the latest versions eliminates bugs in software

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|Torg|:

*IF* it s a bug in the software

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DustyBin:

i read somewhere mythtv had memory leak issues what have recently been fixed

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|Torg|:

personlly I would like to know what the bug was, see it in as a fix, know that the software I downloaed fixed it (well was suposed to) rahter then simply guess its a software bug and never really know

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mintee:

DustyBin, that sounds more like it

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|Torg|:

I personnly would perfer to KNOW it was fixed rather then simply THINK it was

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DustyBin:

ok

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|Torg|:

its not that I disagree with you, rather I advocate taking it a bit slower to be certain

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mintee:

kk, bbl as minthome

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DustyBin:

if i have problems with software, the 1st thing i usually do is make sure im running latest versions

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DustyBin:

then if the bug is still there, then look into it

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|Torg|:

if I have a problem with software, first thing I do is diagnose the problem, then go look to see if its logged

[19:24:12]

|Torg|:

if it is I see if there is a fix, maybe a patch

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|Torg|:

if not I create a new ticket

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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|Torg|:

hell even today I stil run personal patches :)

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DustyBin:

i dont know how to code

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|Torg|:

well to be honest most of it is mythweb patches, altho I did have quite a few trys at PMT fixing a while back

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floppyears:

what language is mythtv written in ? is it pretty complex ?

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DustyBin:

C++

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|Torg|:

C++ mostly

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floppyears:

oh

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|Torg|:

mythweb however is mostly PHP

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hatlevip:

floppyears, the code is pretty readable though

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juski:

somebody had a pop at making a pvr in perl. it probably sucked big style ;)

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|Torg|:

naa juski it just takes 8 quad core cpus, thats all :)

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DustyBin:

why whats wrong with perl?

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|Torg|:

intrepeted language? not desinged to be used as an appicaion?

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juski:

nothing. it's just not suited to making anything with a gui ;)

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DustyBin:

ok

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|Torg|:

nothign is wrong with perl, ecpet you relly shouldnt hammer nails in with a wrench :P

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juski:

or use a chainsaw to do dentistry

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|Torg|:

not to meantion perl code you write is damn hard to decypher by later progammers

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Akuma:

hello, is there any way to prevent mythvideo from listing non video files in a directory?

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juski:

Akuma: yes

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Akuma:

juski, how could I acheive that?

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juski:

several ways

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juski:

you can set a filter to make non-browsable files invisible

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|Torg|:

find /myth/video -name "*.jpg" -exec mv {} /myporn \;

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juski:

you can set a file type extension to be ignored.. any number of ways

[19:31:32]

Akuma:

I'm not sure how mythvideo does the listing

[19:31:33]

Anduin:

Akuma: Uncheck 'Show unknown file types'

[19:31:34]

juski:

jesus. I've got a message *begging* me to bring my theme tarballs back.

[19:31:47]

Akuma:

Oh, is that under video settings?

[19:31:49]

Dagmar:

Ask for topless shots

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|Torg|:

bottomless too please :P

[19:31:59]

Anduin:

Akuma: It is, general settings, page two (ish)

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floppyears:

juski: by the way thanks for all the hardwork on the themes, too bad some community jerks burned you :(

[19:32:46]

juski:

everybody knows I'll be back up to my neck in pngs & xml at some point. just a matter of time

[19:32:51]

|Torg|:

floppyears where?

[19:33:15]

Akuma:

cool, I'll try that, thanks

[19:33:37]

floppyears:

|Torg|: I mean burn, as in pissed him off

[19:34:22]

juski:

it's taking me a long, long time to learn that this is the whole nature of open source

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|Torg|:

juski all publicity is good publicity :)

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Dagmar:

juski: Have you not seen http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645

[19:35:26]

GreyFoxx:

juski: still playing with your custom case design ? :)

[19:35:35]

Dagmar:

juski: It might be worth setting aside some time to watch that

[19:35:59]

juski:

GreyFoxx: not touched that for a while. I need to get pro Engineer installed at work

[19:36:54]

floppyears:

last night I ran into mythpvr, what are some other cool websites about mythtv besides the homepage, wiki, etc ?

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|Torg|:

using google you can find allot (well last time I chekd) people who leave the mythweb open

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|Torg|:

google mythtv and see what you get

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floppyears:

ok, but what do you read |Torg| ?

[19:37:58]

|Torg|:

wiki, schdulesdirect

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juski:

I've found a lot by searching for mythvideo, mythmusic etc ;)

[19:38:07]

|Torg|:

the bots logs :)

[19:38:13]

floppyears:

ok

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|Torg|:

most of what I look up tho is more linux or hardware related then myth in general

[19:38:56]

Dagmar:

Requests for bedtime stories

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|Torg|:

or when say mythweather blows up, I look into what other ppl did to fix it

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|Torg|:

when I get really bored I go look thought he svn trac :P

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minthome:

ok, i'm back

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|Torg|:

mythtvtalk.com, to plug juski :P

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juski:

|Torg|: I only help out there occasionally now. I resigned from being a moderator there

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minthome:

last log before the crash was

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minthome:

2007-08–19 20:58:47.667 Event socket closed. No connection to the backend.

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minthome:

[mpeg2video @ 0xb7281768]invalid cbp at 13 0

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|Torg|:

thats from a frontend

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|Torg|:

what does the backend say?

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minthome:

nope, that was from the backend log

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|Torg|:

<minthome> 2007-08–19 20:58:47.667 Event socket closed. No connection to the backend.

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|Torg|:

thats a frontend saying it can not talk to the backend

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minthome:

hum

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|Torg|:

[mpeg2video @ 0xb7281768]invalid cbp at 13 0 is rather common, unfortunatly

[19:44:50]

** juski sniggers at "have a mission" in that video **

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minthome:

lots of

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minthome:

Kristina Lindsay <kristina@brepresents.com >

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minthome:

whoops

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minthome:

2007-08–19 20:58:45.728 Started PESPacket, but !payloadStart()

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|Torg|:

dvb cards? eit?

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minthome:

5500 and pvr150

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|Torg|:

again, they can be somewhat common, esp with margional signal

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|Torg|:

not espeically noteworthty in an of themselves however

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minthome:

it was started with -v important

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minthome:

this time i started it with -v all

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minthome:

can ya walk me thru a svn rebuild?

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|Torg|:

svn co <whaever branh you want>

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|Torg|:

cd mythtv

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|Torg|:

./configure -(which options you want)

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|Torg|:

make

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|Torg|:

go eat lunch

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minthome:

heh

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|Torg|:

alternaly set up ccache and distcc, still it takes about 30 mins on my 4 systems to do a full amd and intel compile

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juski:

distcc can be tricky if you mix distros

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juski:

usually due to mixing versions of gcc & distcc ;)

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|Torg|:

and gcc :)

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minthome:

so the stable .20 branch is probally what I'm using, so i should go with a dev code?

[19:50:23]

|Torg|:

also you have to svn down mythplugins (assuming you want them). compile like with the mythtv and copy or link mythweb (ther is no install for it)

[19:50:37]

SiD3WiNDR:

minthome: is kristina hot? :>

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|Torg|:

I personally would go with trunk, thats just my opnion tho

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minthome:

ok

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|Torg|:

svn co http://cvs.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv

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|Torg|:

you can do the whole tree, but there is probbly allot of it you dont want

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|Torg|:

like umm juski's themes :P

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juski:

don't check the whole themes branch out

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juski:

please – only get what you *want*

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|Torg|:

dp mythtv, mythplugins then go to juski's page and get the tarballs

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|Torg|:

juski is goign to put them back for us :)

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juski:

what tarballs?

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juski:

as a matter of fact I've done a new set of tarballs, but these will be *frozen*

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|Torg|:

is it green yet?

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juski:

is it hell

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|Torg|:

hell juski I still us the tarbals yo umade over a year ago, it it aint broke.....

[19:54:47]

juski:

though if I ever pick up the glassy one again it can be as green as you want

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|Torg|:

actually I HAVE the green verison of bluootube, you made it :P

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juski:

oh yeah, something I did with a batch process, just for giggles

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juski:

there was a pink one at some point

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|Torg|:

I try to forget that one, thanks

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** juski chuckles **

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kirkland:

mythtv uses it's own built in player to play content recorded from tv tuners, correct?

[19:56:38]

juski:

kirkland: yup

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juski:

and dvds. and videos

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|Torg|:

and dvb cards

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juski:

the last 2 are optional

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kirkland:

juski: ok, right. does that player support software scaling of said recorded media?

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juski:

kirkland: of course it does

[19:57:45]

kirkland:

juski: I'm looking for something similar to this mplayer cmd...

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juski:

it supports filters too, though those aren't documented very well

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kirkland:

juski: that's what i've been looking for :-)

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|Torg|:

it better if you let your monitor (tv) scale it tho

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directhex:

juski, scaling is a modern buzzword

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kirkland:

i see the filters options, but no idea what to use there :-)

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kirkland:

-vf scale=1024:576

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directhex:

juski, people actually spend money on DVD players with scalers inside, because you obviously can't let the TV do it

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juski:

directhex: I know that. it's synonymous with BS

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minthome:

i'm assuming that me making this isn't going to overwrite my conf files, right/

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kirkland:

juski: I'd like to play back HD-recorded content on Non-HD savvy front ends

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|Torg|:

actaly dvd plaers dont scale they convert

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juski:

directhex: some TVs are absolutely appalling at scaling & deinterlacing

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|Torg|:

TVs upscale, dvd upconvert

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directhex:

|Torg|, and they magic extra pixels from pixieland?

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directhex:

juski, people who buy a TV from the supermarket deserve everything they gey

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|Torg|:

no they use propratry algrithms to do it

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directhex:

get

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directhex:

properietary! that must make it good!

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juski:

kirkland: if by that you mean play HD on systems not connected to a HDTV, but they have sufficient CPU power to play HDTV, fine

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|Torg|:

its called "steth" on my tv and actaully looks quite fine, when I push 720P to it and it outputs 1080I

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kirkland:

juski: nope, not quite....

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|Torg|:

looks kinda bad tho when I push SD to it, I just piller box it

[20:00:33]

juski:

kirkland: you can't do that with mythtv. if the box is only powerful enough to play SDTV, forget it

[20:00:35]

kirkland:

juski: systems that neither have the CPU to process HD content NOR HD-compatible monitors

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kirkland:

juski: I'm able to do it through mplayer, by simply scaling down to like 512:218 or so

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|Torg|:

and mplayer used CPU cycles to do that

[20:01:21]

kirkland:

so my hack is to automatically move recorded programs to my MythVideos directory

[20:01:32]

kirkland:

but I don't like that

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|Torg|:

buy more disk

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directhex:

|Torg|, that's great, but 99% of the people who talk about 1080i don't even have a set with 1080 pixels vertically

[20:01:56]

juski:

use a symbolic link generator script like mythrename --link

[20:02:28]

juski:

if anybody ever documents the playback filters properly...

[20:02:47]

kirkland:

juski: where could I find more info about these filters? in the code?

[20:03:34]

juski:

kirkland: AFAIK the setup for filter parameters is the same as in other apps which use the same libs

[20:03:52]

|Torg|:

directhex be carefull of your 99% rule, according to the hardware base on the wiki only 1 of 16 dont do real 1080I/P

[20:04:24]

|Torg|:

well thats not exactly true, some of them dont do 1080 period

[20:04:37]

directhex:

not in this country

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juski:

well, when I buy a new TV it'll cost more than £1000, and it'll more than likely be auditioned at home, even if I have to pay extra

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directhex:

that's a lot of moolah

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directhex:

they're doin' 32" hd ready sets for <£300 these days

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juski:

yeah 'HD ready' – like 1024x768

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juski:

which ain't a 16:9 aspect AFAIK ;)

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|Torg|:

hey HD is 480I :P

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directhex:

|Torg|, no it isn't

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|Torg|:

noone said aspect ratio

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floppyears:

with all the coding and work that you guys do, do you ever get to use your mythtv box or is just the W that uses it ?

[20:06:28]

juski:

floppyears: I use mine plenty

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juski:

over an hour a night – that's more than enough TV for anybody

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|Torg|:

my wife dosnt really use it without me present

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directhex:

my wife uses mine

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directhex:

i don't

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juski:

and I've *seen* the picture Q of some of those £300 'HD ready' sets (shudder)

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|Torg|:

juski LCD?

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juski:

I spent £800 or so on my current set, so I expect to spend about the same, give or take a few squids

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juski:

|Torg|: yeah. some are really very awful, even taking into account the price

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|Torg|:

Im half looking for a deceint replament for my DLP

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|Torg|:

its not a major thing now, but eventually im paranoid I wont be able to get a bulb for it

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GreyFoxx:

floppyears: I use mine all the time

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GreyFoxx:

including when I'm digging in code

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juski:

I'm due a good dig in the code sometime soon. chomping at the bit to bring some nice things along

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iamlindoro:

My 1080P Projector was well priced imported from Japan... if you have the space/desire for FP, that is

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directhex:

since it seems neccessary: in the UK, all HDTVs that want to actually sell need an HD Ready sticker. HD Ready requires: 1) Component in, and either DVI or HDMI in (with HDCP support) 2) a vertical resolution of 720 pixels or more 3) the ability to accept 720p and 1080i signals through both mentioned connectors. there are no promises as to what horrors happen between input & output

[20:12:29]

directhex:

in the UK, almost all screens costing under £2000 ($4000) are 1366x768 LCD

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fysa:

iamlindoro: The Epson?

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|Torg|:

of directhex you are corect 480I/P are EDTV, I see ppl refer to it as HDTV (well its sold as if it where)

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iamlindoro:

Mitsubishi HC 5000

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|Torg|:

then again what worstbuy shows and what I belive to be true are often differnt things

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juski:

but – it's worthwhile saying that the human eye doesn't resolve horizontal resolution as easily as vertical

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iamlindoro:

good price, GREAT blacks and full 1920x1080

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iamlindoro:

just need the right environment for it to look its best

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juski:

so you may not even notice the difference between 1920 and 1366 (!) – allegedly

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directhex:

juski, Medion sets, as bought from asda, are the ones that rescale all input to 1024x768, despite native resolution of 1280x720 pixels

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juski:

directhex: lol

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directhex:

good innit!

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juski:

directhex: saw some damn fine sets in Tesco. Samsung & LG.. very nice

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fysa:

iamlindoro: nice. still running a Z2 here.. *this* close to getting the Epson 1080p, but heard it doesn't do 24Hz properly and I think the 710 is brighter.

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directhex:

juski, i have a ~year old 26" samsung. £650 :/

[20:14:32]

juski:

and piped from a BBC HD demo too – looked much better than $ly HD

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directhex:

juski, you can get an lg that size for £300 these days

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juski:

26" is too small though. if I'm gonna get a new one it's got to be bigger

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|Torg|:

iamlindoro do you mount that on the ceiling and project to a screen?

[20:15:33]

iamlindoro:

fysa: It's my first FP, but the price difference was so huge from PriceJapan that what I would have paid for 720p in the US paid for the Mitsu and all the cables

[20:15:49]

iamlindoro:

Torg: I do, yeah, although it will do table/shelftop projection as well

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directhex:

juski, 37" hitachi, £400

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juski:

wow. not that I'd touch Hitachi with yours like ;)

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|Torg|:

whats the minimum throw distance?

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iamlindoro:

Torg: Don't quote me on it (i'd have to check) but I think it's somewhere in the 11 foot range... mine is about a 16 foot throw

[20:16:53]

directhex:

juski, i'd put them as second tier of 4

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fysa:

projectorhttp://projectorcentral.com/Mitsubis . . . ator-pro.htm

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|Torg|:

thats the main problem I have, I moved to a smaller house and the living room isnt big enough to put ina FP

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directhex:

juski, you could do much worse. it'll be competent, but the scaler so-so

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fysa:

projectorcentral.com has throw calculators

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|Torg|:

that and my DLP RP works fine, even at $400 a pop for those damn bulbs

[20:17:27]

juski:

directhex: I'd be running it at native res & let myth do the rest anyway

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directhex:

37" lg is £600. that's an IDTV though which is nice

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directhex:

juski, if you're not planning on using its TVness then tiers 2 onwards would be fine

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fysa:

80" at 8 feet

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iamlindoro:

Fair enough... I thought mine was too small as well at first, but it actually came off pretty well

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juski:

before then I really have to wean my wife off livetv completely

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=85 is my baby in action

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fysa:

9'6" or so is about as close as you'd want to get probably.

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fysa:

that will give you a 96" screen

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|Torg|:

im just looking not to go any smaller then my 61' now

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juski:

iamlindoro: your red is too high

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iamlindoro:

More likely my camera is too crap ;)

[20:19:31]

iamlindoro:

cause the purple cast doesn't appear in real life

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juski:

actually that shade of purple doesn't look too bad :)

[20:19:46]

|Torg|:

hey its purpletoobe :P

[20:20:08]

|Torg|:

iamlindoro those lamps are cool, what are they?

[20:20:11]

directhex:

|Torg|, practically nobody buys projection of either type in .uk

[20:20:20]

iamlindoro:

Pottery Barn Photographers lamps

[20:20:26]

iamlindoro:

about $70 a piece, I think

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juski:

if lamps for projectors didn't cost like £350 each, I'd consider going with one

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|Torg|:

well directhex my TV was a sales bonus

[20:20:53]

juski:

maybe if they were £50 or so

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iamlindoro:

I am making sure to import the lamp also :) It's a significant savings

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iamlindoro:

Although I'm still on my first bulb

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juski:

Dagmar: interesting video, cheers

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DustyBin:

CPU Temp: +34.0°C (high = +80.0°C, hyst = +75.0°C)

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|Torg|:

DustyBin what about it?

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DustyBin:

nothing o_0 i was being geeky

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defaultro:

hey folks, what is that dos tool again that will check our memory/

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defaultro:

?

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defaultro:

we put it on a 1.44 floppy disk or cd

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juski:

a denial of service tool which tests memory? wow

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defaultro:

hahahhaha

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cesman:

LOL

[20:44:31]

juski:

memtest, maybe

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defaultro:

ah, looks like that's the one

[20:44:40]

defaultro:

thanks

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** cesman thinks defaultro is thinking of memtest86 **

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defaultro:

i have to see

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cesman:

and that isn't a DOS tool

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juski:

http://www.memtest.org/

[20:44:54]

defaultro:

i remember, background is color blue

[20:45:12]

Akuma:

Hello, how can I reduce the font size of the plugins (ie. mythVideo) I have reduced the font size on the main setup, and also I've set it sto small

[20:45:25]

Akuma:

however mythvideo fonts appear huge

[20:45:37]

juski:

Akuma: a lot of themes hard code font sizes

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defaultro:

this is it!!!!! http://www.memtest.org/pics/i875-big.gif woohooo

[20:46:20]

Akuma:

hmm, it wasn't that big before I changed KDE's font size

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DustyBin:

juski: new series of SKINS tomorrow night at 10pm on Channel 4

[21:01:12]

DustyBin:

dont forget to record it

[21:01:27]

juski:

DustyBin: already set from the last series. pure filth

[21:01:46]

juski:

gotta love those emo kids :-P

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|Torg|:

whats SKINS?

[21:01:49]

DustyBin:

hehe

[21:02:13]

DustyBin:

http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/micr . . . ex_main.html

[21:02:40]

|Torg|:

reality tv?

[21:02:52]

DustyBin:

no

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|Torg|:

thank god, what is it then?

[21:03:19]

DustyBin:

watch these

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DustyBin:

http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/micr . . . s/watch.html

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|Torg|:

ok its reality tv mixed with jackass

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DustyBin:

that bastard — MARK — as appeared in my syslog again, ill kill em once i get me 'ands on him

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|Torg|:

fsck him

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Inssomniak:

Im not sure if this is the place to ask but Im looking for an interface (or WM) that would be like a "frontend" that could run scripts, graphical that I could use lirc to control (for example setting a video mode for X before loading mythtv), anyone with suggestions?

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floppyears:

do any of you guys use the ms mce remote ?

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minthome:

yes flatronf701B

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minthome:

err floppyears

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blackest:

anyone know an sql query to copy 1 channels program guide in to another channels guide?

[21:32:49]

floppyears:

minthome: could I get a copy of your lircrc ?

[21:33:00]

minthome:

sure

[21:33:06]

floppyears:

how do you setup the volume keys to turn down the volume while you hold them down ?

[21:33:16]

minthome:

i don't use the volume

[21:33:29]

floppyears:

sometimes when I press a key, it acts like if I had press them 2 times. have you run into this ?

[21:33:36]

minthome:

/usr/local/bin/mythbackend: Symbol `_ZTI19ConfigurationWizard' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking

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minthome:

/usr/local/bin/mythbackend: symbol lookup error: /usr/local/bin/mythbackend: undefined symbol: _ZN4UPnp9g_pConfigE

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minthome:

grr

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minthome:

wtf

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minthome:

floppyears, email?

[21:34:31]

floppyears:

I'll pm it to you

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minthome:

k

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AngryElf:

I just installed 0.20-fixes and am getting an error playing liveTV — GetEntryAt(-1) failed, EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo .... any ideas what may be going on?

[21:41:41]

|Torg|:

not having the recoding you are asking for

[21:44:14]

AngryElf:

apparently myth is having issues changing channels correctly, if I do it with ivtv-tune and then cat /dev/video0 | mplayer I can see whatever channel I want — butanything myth records is static

[21:44:53]

AngryElf:

...this happened a year ago when I first installed 0.20 — which is why I moved back to 19 :(

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juski:

wow. mediaportal just got way less sucky: http://forum.team-mediaportal.com/attachment. . . . d=1186926525

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blackest:

any idea how to find out when myth is going to transcode something for me

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juski:

depends what times you have jobs set to run between

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AngryElf:

if i wanted to delete all of my mythfilldatabase info, what table should I purge?

[22:04:42]

juski:

it generally does stuff in the order you add it to the queue, blackest – AFAIK

[22:04:45]

juski:

AngryElf: program

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juski:

AngryElf: although manually mangling the database isn't something I condone

[22:05:33]

AngryElf:

I can always purge the whole DB :)

[22:07:14]

juski:

.. or set up mythtv properly in the first place :-P

[22:08:32]

Inssomniak:

does the mythtv frontend have an ability to run bash scripts ?

[22:09:12]

DustyBin:

http://jimmysweblog.net/2004/10/richard-stallman.jpg <-- do mythtv developers look like this guy?

[22:09:16]

jams:

Inssomniak- sure you can add a menu item that will run a script

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Inssomniak:

jams thx!

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jams:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Menu_theme_development_guide look underl helpful tips for EXEC

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bradd:

anyone know how you would go about recording encrypted qam256/hdtv signal via a set top box? does it just unencrypt the signal and then send it out the tv out/coax port on the back of the box?

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AngryElf:

okay: EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo

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AngryElf:

that's the error from mythfrontend when I start live TV

[22:15:14]

AngryElf:

why on earth is it looking for data on that date?

[22:15:22]

GreyFoxx:

gbee: total, typo I swear :)

[22:15:54]

AngryElf:

the date set on the box is current and accurate, maybe some issue at compile time?

[22:16:05]

bradd:

i think i found my answer never mind

[22:16:18]

juski:

DustyBin: I can honestly say that I've never seen a photo of a mythtv developer who looked so hobbit-like

[22:16:38]

juski:

AngryElf: you ever heard of epoch? ;)

[22:16:48]

AngryElf:

eh?

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juski:

oh wait that's 00:00 jan 1, 1970

[22:17:58]

juski:

haha – timezone :)

[22:18:07]

minthome:

/usr/local/bin/mythbackend: Symbol `_ZTI19ConfigurationWizard' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking

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minthome:

/usr/local/bin/mythbackend: symbol lookup error: /usr/local/bin/mythbackend: undefined symbol: _ZN4UPnp9g_pConfigE

[22:18:17]

AngryElf:

well why's it looking there?

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minthome:

anyone familiar with that ?

[22:18:32]

minthome:

<|Torg|>?

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Agrajag-:

minthome: sounds like you've got 2 different installed versions or something

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juski:

AngryElf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time – that's as far back as linux/unix/posix time can go

[22:18:56]

jams:

mintee- yeah your mythlibs don't match what the program wants

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Dagmar:

minty: Contrary to popular belief, compiling software is for people that know how to do it

[22:19:41]

minthome:

yeah, built the latest from svn

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jams:

mixing packages and src versions will do that

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minthome:

but i didn't remove the original I had that was built from pkg managment

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minthome:

heh

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juski:

yeah but you didn't remove the original you had...

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juski:

AngryElf: how did you clean out the program table?

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minthome:

correct

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minthome:

now i have

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jams:

odds are good you will need to recompile

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DustyBin:

minthome: uninstall your distros package, make uninstall your compiled version. update db. locate myth and remove anything you see myth related, then download and compile svn again

[22:22:15]

minthome:

and it's just complaining about /usr/local/bin/mythbackend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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DustyBin:

what distro you using?

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jams:

you probably don't have /usr/local/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf

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minthome:

archlinux

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DustyBin:

check that ^^^

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minthome:

bingo

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minthome:

thanks DustyBin ... that was it

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DustyBin:

what?

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[22:23:39]

AngryElf:

juski, er, i dunno, delete * from programs where chanid > 0?

[22:24:06]

AngryElf:

scheduled recordings work fine

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minthome:

there wasn't /usr/local/lib in my ldconf

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AngryElf:

so i think this is a MFE issue only

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DustyBin:

minthome: you silly sod, i thought you would of known that...

[22:25:12]

immolo:

anyone know why since editing a wiki page it no longer shows under the Howto section anymore?

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minthome:

DustyBin, heh, yeah, it's been a helluva few days.

[22:25:45]

|Torg|:

immolo did you set the tags correctlyu

[22:25:56]

immolo:

hmm let me see

[22:27:04]

immolo:

No :P

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|Torg|:

I do that sometimes, I miss setting [[ inststead of [ all the time

[22:28:57]

immolo:

I didn't even know you had to add them :P

[22:29:15]

immolo:

well its all working now, thanks for the tip

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|Torg|:

np

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imperfect-:

Howdy

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imperfect-:

Anyone know if I cna get myth to play cue/bin?

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Dagmar:

Pirate it properly

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|Torg|:

why did you create a cue/bin?

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imperfect-:

Cuz I wanted to take a copy to work

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directhex:

people still make cdrwin images?

[22:47:23]

** imperfect- fishes for some answer that doesn't sound too obvious **

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directhex:

how about tab clear, is that still popular?

[22:48:01]

imperfect-:

How lame!

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** juski yells "Ahaaaaaaaaaaarrrr, me hearties" **

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imperfect-:

I really dont wanna have to you VLC for this

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|Torg|:

well if you understood what a cue/bin was, you wouldnt be asking

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|Torg|:

especially in a channel that is LOGGED

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directhex:

you could convert to .iso with binchunk

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imperfect-:

Sweet jesus.

[22:49:01]

imperfect-:

Good idea

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juski:

why would mythtv need to be able to play bin/cue files? they're the spawn of the devil

[22:49:21]

imperfect-:

Cuz

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RaYmAn-Bx:

|Torg|: myth does seem to play .iso's directly though..

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juski:

iso is the one true format

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imperfect-:

I can deal w/ ISO.

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imperfect-:

I'll convert it

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|Torg|:

RaYmAn-Bx hence my statement that if he knew what a bin/cue was....

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GreyFoxx:

RaYmAn-Bx: Myth will also rip DVD's to ISO for you, so it makes sense it would play them

[22:49:59]

RaYmAn-Bx:

indeed

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imperfect-:

I know what damn bincue is.

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|Torg|:

then you would know how to convert it

[22:50:20]

imperfect-:

Jesus

[22:50:20]

|Torg|:

or better yet burn the damn thing

[22:50:23]

juski:

make sure you obtain the permission of the original copyright holder first though

[22:50:32]

|Torg|:

I think that was bittorrent

[22:50:36]

imperfect-:

Are you like one of those guys who is pimped out by his wife so he thinks that he's god on IRC?

[22:50:54]

imperfect-:

It's quite pathetic. Oh well, tally ho.

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|Torg|:

no Im one of those guys who knows what is typed here will be posted on the Internet, for google to archive and be searchable 10 years from now

[22:51:04]

RaYmAn-Bx:

lol

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** juski sends imperfect some more blue pill spam **

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|Torg|:

besides if you dont know what a bin/cue set are, or how to convert or burn them, you dont need to be downloading them to begin with

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directhex:

seriously, who uses cdrwin these days?

[22:52:31]

RaYmAn-Bx:

lots of other programs support bin/cue, but yeah..very few things use that format these days.

[22:52:44]

|Torg|:

Nero will read them, im not sure of others

[22:52:52]

directhex:

most cd piracy apps support it

[22:53:00]

directhex:

clonecd, alcohol 120%, etc

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|Torg|:

most pirated videoas are distibuted in it

[22:53:15]

directhex:

but it's not a very good format

[22:53:19]

juski:

like mkv :)

[22:53:42]

directhex:

some trivial support for subcodes, but it can't even be used to copy 8-year-old safedisc 2 games effectively

[22:53:50]

juski:

also like files which have srt files accompanying them

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directhex:

juski, pfft, who uses mkv? now ogm, that's for real men!

[22:54:22]

juski:

just stop being a wuss & keep it in the native format

[22:55:11]

|Torg|:

native format, you mean .torrent?

[22:55:19]

juski:

pfft :)

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directhex:

http://pastebin.ca/664935 – all the things juski loves! transcoded anime with srt subtitles in a funny container!

[22:58:46]

juski:

yeah maybe mkv is so good because most anime is only like 2fps ;)

[22:59:31]

directhex:

i don't know why mkv is being picked over ogm. sure, it's technically superior, but has significantly less support from authoring tools

[22:59:38]

directhex:

and that's saying something, compared to ogm O_o

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juski:

sorry but I can't help but class anime in the same category as death metal musak – I just can't relate to even the tiniest scrap of it

[23:01:10]

directhex:

juski, depends on what you're exposed to. if you can identify with a disney movie, you can identify with a studio ghibli movie

[23:01:33]

directhex:

but the endless torrent of samey panty-shot crap that most people watch is indeed pretty worthless to society

[23:01:55]

juski:

torrentS you mean ;)

[23:02:16]

directhex:

such wit!

[23:03:04]

juski:

I was at my parents' over the weekend – they have no PVR so I was subjected to adverts. saw one for that High School Musical & wanted to jump off a tall building

[23:03:35]

directhex:

yes, feel free

[23:03:45]

juski:

I think I'd prefer it if kids were into hardcore porn than that trite crap

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directhex:

i sorta meant classic disney movies full of death & suffering

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directhex:

like bambi!

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juski:

never seen bambi

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|Torg|:

juski, that explains allot :P

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directhex:

according to metacritic, spirited away is universally viewed as being as good as ET or pulp fiction

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juski:

ET was good?

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directhex:

according to critics

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GreyFoxx:

juski: It was when I was 10

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Dagmar:

When it had GUNS in it it was

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juski:

I don't remember seeing any guns in ET

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directhex:

and LotR3

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Dagmar:

Guns might not necessarily make everything cooler, but once they're there, they're like bones. You take them out and all you get is limp and useless.

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Dagmar:

juski: You must not have seen the original edition

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juski:

maybe I just can't remember

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Dagmar:

juski: That was one of the big stinks about the re-release. All those gov't agents were armed to the teeth, and they basically photoshopped out the guns and replaced them with walkie-talkies

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|Torg|:

umm the original movie has guns in it, from the police

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|Torg|:

I belive they were edited out later on

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floppyears:

how well does mythtv play dvd movies ?

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Dagmar:

So, instead you have like a roadblock of military types, like ten feet from each other, all carrying walkie-talkies very menacingly

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juski:

floppyears: just about as well as anything else in linux

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|Torg|:

just as well, or as poorly, as my dvd player

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Dagmar:

It looks *dumb*

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|Torg|:

I jsut prefer the jukebox

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juski:

better than mplayer though

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directhex:

floppyears, as well as ffplay

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floppyears:

ok, so it won't choke up on dvd's like other programs. In windows movies seemed to play faster and smoother and I think it maybe have been caused by the dvd encryption :(

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juski:

floppyears: I'm not gonna guarantee nuffink

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Anduin:

floppyears: Do not expect it not to suck occasionally.

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floppyears:

ok

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|Torg|:

09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 :P

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juski:

|Torg|: 73 63 72 65 77 20 74 68 61 74

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Dagmar:

DE AD BE EF

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|Torg|:

ok juski, whats that?

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Dagmar:

You don't recognize ASCII when you see it"

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Dagmar:

I give ya a hint... it's two words

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GreyFoxx:

floppyears: It plays al of mine perfectly fine

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GreyFoxx:

I've watched hundreds in it now

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juski:

it'd be really funny if that key thing was actually code for MPAA, FOAD or something

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juski:

literally, I mean ;)

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|Torg|:

I dunno what it comes out to, I just know what its for

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|Torg|:

or more exatly why I repeat it when I get the chance

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floppyears:

thanks, I was just wondering if I could get rid of my old dvd player, but I guess I'll keep it around just in case, mythtv chokes up

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juski:

they could just find anybody who could conceivably have read it or written it down & have them killed :-P

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GreyFoxx:

floppyears: I haven't used my hardware player in a year now

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|Torg|:

well google has about 10,000 pages of it now :P

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juski:

as if google can't be bought.. lol

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|Torg|:

sorta like teh DeCSS t-shirt I have

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Dagmar:

I know of a much better shirt

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juski:

savethekittens.com

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Dagmar:

http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=897 <--much more useful

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|Torg|:

Im gogin to watch my dvds that I bought, on a comptuer, that I bought, to a tv that I bought even if the MPAA dosnt like it

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juski:

^^ which is probably just a redirect to the hauppauge pvr products page ;)

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juski:

omg – savethekittens.com is still available :D

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juski:

could be my next domain name come renewal time

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Aval0n:

hey guys

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Aval0n:

got my analog cable feed to my mythtv box down from the attic finally

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Aval0n:

it looks very grainy and has boxy

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Aval0n:

are there filters I can change?

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juski:

it has boxy?

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Aval0n:

kinda

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juski:

wth?

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NightMonkey:

Aval0n: Does it look that way when plugged into the TV, too?

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Aval0n:

the pictures lookes like it has some boxes

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Aval0n:

night nah

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directhex:

analog can't loko boxy, surely?

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Aval0n:

looks pretty close to perfect

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Aval0n:

it's just got a lot of interlaces lines

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juski:

prolly a signal strength issue

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Aval0n:

the boxes could be an illusion

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juski:

noisy pix are harder to compress

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NightMonkey:

Aval0n: Blocky, like big pixels?

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Aval0n:

night: yeah

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Aval0n:

so are there filters I can change?

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Aval0n:

it looks interlaced

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Aval0n:

or something

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juski:

better to get a better signal into the tuner in the first place

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Aval0n:

back in the day when I used d-scaler it had a filter that I put on that fixed that on my window pc

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directhex:

it probably IS interlaced if it looks interlaced

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directhex:

you could deinterlace it

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Aval0n:

my myth install is vanilla

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NightMonkey:

Aval0n: What is you capture bitrate? As Juski was alluding to, the worse the signal, the higher the bitrate needed to do a good capture.

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Aval0n:

I've changed nothing

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Aval0n:

i dunno

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Aval0n:

just barely got the signal to it

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Aval0n:

there's no splitter involved either

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NightMonkey:

Aval0n: Also applies to many films and TV shows from the 70s... ;)

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Aval0n:

it's right from the wall

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Aval0n:

goes from the external cox box panel on my outside wall

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Aval0n:

up to the attic and down

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Aval0n:

about 100 ft run maybe

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Aval0n:

more like 75

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Aval0n:

rg6

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Aval0n:

where do i check capture bitrate?

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Anduin:

Aval0n: recording profiles

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floppyears:

what is interlace ?

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floppyears:

is it something that I have to enable ? is it necessary for sd tv ?

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directhex:

traditionally, TV signals are sent in a kind of bonkers mode where the picture is split in half, with odd lines making one picture, and even lines making another

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directhex:

it then transmits half of the next frame and half of the previous frame, all the time

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directhex:

rather than sending complete, working pictures

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directhex:

you end up with http://www.geniusdv.com/weblog/archives/Interlcaed.jpg on any moving things

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|Torg|:

half of the pitcure is sent, then the other half, but otherwise what you said is correct

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floppyears:

ouch, that sounds kind of bad

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|Torg|:

its called interlacing

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floppyears:

is it a common problem ? I noticed a little bit of that last night in 1 of my recordings, but I hadn't noticed it before

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juski:

it's not a problem at all

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Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

my picture is doing that

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juski:

it's a technique for compressing analogue video signals, goes way back to the olden days

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Aval0n:

where do I toggle deinterlace?

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juski:

gets you effectively 'double' the resolution without necessarily increasing the necessary bandwidth

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juski:

Aval0n: tv playback settings

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|Torg|:

or you could simply display it to an interlaced mode

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Aval0n:

thanks

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juski:

or- if you have GF4 or better card & are using composite or svideo out, fire up nvidia-settings & crank the flicker filter to half way up

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juski:

does the job *very* effectively, that ^^^

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