Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, August 15th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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GreyFoxx:

for what hostname ?

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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** xris grumbles about broken firewire in fedora 7 **

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my2keh:

broken!

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xris:

very much so

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my2keh:

sucks

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my2keh:

well sucks for those who use firewire

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xris:

most importantly, me. :)

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my2keh:

of course

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my2keh:

centre of the world

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my2keh:

heh

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my2keh:

my wife's gonna be upset though

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my2keh:

she thought she was :P

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my2keh:

man I just found the stats page in mythweb

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my2keh:

too cool

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xris:

thank kormoc for that one (if he ever shows up here)

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my2keh:

has anyone here done any work on mythweb before?

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** xris wrote most of it. **

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my2keh:

really?

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xris:

yes

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my2keh:

too cool

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my2keh:

I'm looking to ummm

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my2keh:

improve it

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my2keh:

have some ideas...is there an FAQ on development or anything?

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my2keh:

like SVN info etc

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GreyFoxx:

Not really

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GreyFoxx:

There in general, in all of myth and the plugins, the code is the docs :)

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my2keh:

hmmm interesting

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my2keh:

and I'm assuming, to make change to mythweb

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xris:

ticket...

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my2keh:

I'd need to be running the latest SVN of myth right?

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xris:

and against svn, not the stable version (for new features)

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my2keh:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/TicketHowTo

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my2keh:

I'd need to be running the latest SVN of myth right??

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GreyFoxx:

he just said yes :)

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my2keh:

sorry heh

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xris:

yeah. LOTS of changes since .20 was released

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my2keh:

just re-read that

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my2keh:

heh

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** xris grumbles... firewire just doesn't work. **

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xris:

wish I could compile myth into centos...

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xris:

(easily)

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my2keh:

Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3

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my2keh:

Source code version: 12354M

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my2keh:

that's probably no where near the latest eh?

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xris:

.20 means definitely not

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GreyFoxx:

we are in the 14xxx revisions now

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my2keh:

man I need a spare box

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GreyFoxx:

vmware is your friend

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my2keh:

vmware eh?

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my2keh:

maybe I'll flip my own Snapstream box into a linux box

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GreyFoxx:

I do a lot of stuff in it

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my2keh:

since I don't need it

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my2keh:

damn I just wanna start making changes, not bringing another box up heh

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my2keh:

stop whining!

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fryfrog:

would you like something with that wine? :)

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my2keh:

heh

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my2keh:

unless someone has a dev box available on the internet

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my2keh:

heh

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xris:

my2keh: or you could just install trunk

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xris:

works for most of the devs

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my2keh:

yeah I have no problem putting that up

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xris:

what stuff do you want to add to mythweb?

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my2keh:

uhh

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my2keh:

I wanna re-arrange the details screen

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xris:

look at svn

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my2keh:

uhh the search screen hurts my head

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xris:

interface has completely changed

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xris:

search page is only half-finished.

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xris:

people keep making me do other things (like schedules direct)

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my2keh:

LOL

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my2keh:

you've got your priorities mixed up

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my2keh:

heh

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xris:

oh? "let all US/Canadian MythTV users lose their guide data" is a better idea?

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my2keh:

I guess you don't get my sarcastic sense of humour

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xris:

hard to tell in text

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my2keh:

true, I was laughing

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NightMonkey:

Emoticons work well for IRC. ;)

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my2keh:

you guys ever going to release HOW you did SD?

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my2keh:

I'm quite interested to see how a beast like that works

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my2keh:

like an archetecture document or anhything?

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my2keh:

later on of course

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GreyFoxx:

I doubt that would bve released other than docs on interacting with teh feed

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my2keh:

yeah, probably NDA's and whatnot

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xris:

my2keh: NDA is a big problem.... but most of what we're doing now is just buying the data from TMS and passing the cost on to the users.. (for now) users will still get their info straight from zap2it.com

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my2keh:

Ahh never read that part

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my2keh:

makes sense to get it up and running quick

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my2keh:

I can't beleive people are squawking at 5/month

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NightMonkey:

xris: Joy! Will we need to recreate profiles on labs.zap2it.com?

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GreyFoxx:

later hopefully it will move to "our" machines

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my2keh:

and it may go down sheesh

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GreyFoxx:

NightMonkey: No, labs goes away completely

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xris:

NightMonkey: looks that way. doesn't seem to be a way to import

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GreyFoxx:

you have to start a new account/profile on the schedulesdirect site

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my2keh:

i never really used zap though

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NightMonkey:

OK, not a big deal, I can click-click-click my setup. ;)

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my2keh:

was just gonna buy an account to help out

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xris:

NightMonkey: I added some extra goodness to the lineup editor.

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my2keh:

ohhh and the biggest thing in mythweb

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xris:

shift-click for un/selecting ranges, etc.

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my2keh:

is the search results

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my2keh:

I wanna take that apart

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NightMonkey:

xris: Ah, bliss! :) Thank you.

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my2keh:

i'm not saying this to offend by the way

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xris:

my2keh: yeah, that's a big problem. but to do it right, requires completely tearing apart the channel-handling code.

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my2keh:

really? it lists each time the show plays in different rows, as well as the times per row

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my2keh:

which for stuff like HD Movies, a movie plays over and over every day

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xris:

that depends on how you have it set to sort

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NightMonkey:

Should everyone print out their labs.zap2it.com profiles before the 9/1 deadline?

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xris:

if you sort by time, it shows you a result for every time it plays.. sort by title, and you only get the titles.

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my2keh:

the default is airdate

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xris:

yup

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xris:

like I said, a lot of it is broken.

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my2keh:

holly shit

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xris:

it doesn't give enough info, either (like if it's on a different channel)

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my2keh:

sort by title

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my2keh:

ha man I'm a loser

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my2keh:

then I wanna be able to have a drop down for Categories in the search

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my2keh:

wife always types "Movies"

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my2keh:

instead of Movie

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NightMonkey:

Selected stations: 206; Unselected stations: 765. xris, your patch will rock. :)

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GreyFoxx:

xris: I didn't notice the mass unselect stuff heh

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my2keh:

shoot, you have to buy vmware!

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xris:

my2keh: vmware server is free

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NightMonkey:

my2keh: You might also try VirtualBox.

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xris:

NightMonkey: there's also un/select all/none by sections.. TMS gives a small amount of info about the stations themselves, so I can pull music/radio/ppv/etc out into their own lists, too

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xris:

I hope people will like the interface

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NightMonkey:

xris: Wow, it keeps getting better!

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my2keh:

screenshots? heh

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xris:

only fear I have is that because it's so js-heavy it might break screen readers for the blind

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xris:

we'll hopefully be going live with beta testing in the next day or two

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my2keh:

woah! you can download virtual appliances? I'm assuming this is like an iso or something

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NightMonkey:

xris: I'll sign up as a beta tester, if you need folks.

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my2keh:

i'm sure finding testers won't be a problem heh

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NightMonkey:

Yeah.

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my2keh:

I'd even write you some Mercury QTP/LoadRunner scripts

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my2keh:

but I

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my2keh:

'm sure there won't be any problem generating load

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xris:

NightMonkey: I think it'll just be devs from each project for now.

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xris:

we don't need a lot of testing — just compatibility with apps, which shouldn't be an issue since it's just a URL change for the data.

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NightMonkey:

xris: OK, cool.

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my2keh:

i wanna to install mythtv on my laptop

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my2keh:

so I can work on mythweb at work

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my2keh:

heh

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my2keh:

during my break(s) of course

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my2keh:

what's the smallest drive space I can get away with to have an install?

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my2keh:

mine is currently 3.6G

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my2keh:

nadda?

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xris:

my2keh: depends on how you'll be recording...

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my2keh:

I don't wanna record

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my2keh:

I just wanna modify mythweb

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my2keh:

but I only have 3.63 GB's free on my laptop

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clever[rev]:

that would be good for mythtv/mythweb itself

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clever[rev]:

and maybe 1–2 hours of tv

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my2keh:

including linux right?

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clever[rev]:

depends on the distro

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clever[rev]:

ubuntu is using 2.1gig on one of my systems

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my2keh:

i think there's a distro that runs of CD or something

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clever[rev]:

my2keh: theres many

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jams:

hi all

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clever[rev]:

hi one

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jams:

how clever

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clever[rev]:

how jams

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my2keh:

ohhh knoppmyth has one too

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clever[rev]:

yeah thats one of many livecd's

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clever[rev]:

that one has mythtv allready installed to it

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my2keh:

yeah, it's what I use on my regular box

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my2keh:

I'm assuming a bootable CD must be max 750 MB's

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my2keh:

heh

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clever[rev]:

i have a few bootcds here and ive ran some without any hdd at all

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my2keh:

I wanna install knoppmyth

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my2keh:

into a VM

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my2keh:

on my laptop

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jams:

my2keh- should work without issue. Just use an ide drive instead of scsci

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clever[rev]:

might work but wont realy be fastenough to watch stuff

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my2keh:

i dun wanna watch anything

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my2keh:

just code on mythweb

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my2keh:

i talk to much

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spiderworm:

hi, i had something strange happen... i went into media library > watch recordings, and a different little popover window came up asking which section of shows i wanted to view... it included live tv recordings!

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spiderworm:

now when i go into media library > watch recordings, i only see live tv recordings

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spiderworm:

can anyone help me go back to the way things were?

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jams:

spiderworm- on the watch recordings screen, bring up the menu (m key) and change the filter to default

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spiderworm:

ah thank you!

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PSU:

hi guys, i'm trying to get this new mythdora box setup...i have the pvr-350 capturing the video and i want to display via my nvidia. do i need any cabling from the pvr-350 to the nvidia?

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PSU:

i don't have a display when i click watch tv from mythtv but when i do a cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg and then user mplayer, i can watch/hear the video fine

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PSU:

do i need to have multiple video soruces?\

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alieas:

can anyone tell me the name of the QAM tool you use to "investigate" a stream after you have azap tuned it? So I can go through each frequency and look for the 1080/720 streams? I havent used it in such a long time

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NightMonkey:

PSU: I dunno if this is the problem, but you need a new xorg.conf (not the one I gave you) for the nvidia card to be used as the output.

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PSU:

NightMonkey: yeah i started from scratch :P

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PSU:

nvidia is working fine as standard output

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PSU:

but somehow i have to get the video directly from the pvr-350 to the nvidia

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alieas:

Mythtv's scan isn't picking up two of my QAM stations. I thought the utility was dvbstream but I don't think thats it

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PSU:

but somehow i have to get the video directly from the pvr-350 to the nvidia?

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PSU:

whoops

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PSU:

NightMonkey: how do you have your pvr-350 and tv-out card setup again?

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NightMonkey:

PSU: I don't have my tv-out card setup, except for kernel messages at bootup (via svga, IIRC).

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NightMonkey:

PSU: My nvidia tv-out card, rather.

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PSU:

oh ok

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PSU:

hmm, well if this is the way most pvr-350 people do it, there must be some guides

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PSU:

back to googling :P

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NightMonkey:

PSU: I use the 350's once Xorg arrives on the scene.

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PSU:

k

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PSU:

ok that's about all the time i have tonight for this

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PSU:

guess i'll play some more tomorrow :P

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PSU:

NightMonkey: thanks again!

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NightMonkey:

PSU: Np, later.

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NightMonkey:

Time to watch Inland Empire.

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benlake:

is anyone having issues retrieving their lineups from Zap2It? Time Warner just moved the channels around on me and I cant seem to get my new lineups from Zap

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mikeones:

anyone using mythweb?

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mikeones:

in svn trunk?

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floppyears:

how reliable is the tv listings data ?

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Kazan:

ok guys

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Kazan:

i updated from .20-fixes to trunk

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Kazan:

and when i play back shows it seems to be stretching them from 4:3 to 16:9 .. and shows broadcast in 16:9 are being letterboxed (ie stretched as if they were 4:3) ... it's not from me selecting a stretch mode

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Kazan:

ok.. think i fixed that.. actually have to use a widescreen theme now

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Kazan:

is there a widescreen version of the Iulius theme FFS

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Kazan:

anyone?

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josey:

does anybody know why my program guide would be slow/jerky ? I've never had this happen before and no error messages on terms...

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josey:

xorg is taking up tones of CPU with the guide just being up

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Kazan:

specs?

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Kazan:

using an nvidia card and xvmc? did you update your kernel?

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josey:

nvidia w/ binary, no xvmc. no kernel update (although I would like to because of a usb controller adapter bug)

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josey:

I'm using a patched 13888 w/ the multi threaded h.264 decoding. but I don't know why that would affect the program guide.

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josey:

Nvidia is .9631

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josey:

no other problems to speak of

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josey:

kernel is 2.6.20-16-generic. I usually compile the SVN, and never had a prob w/ the program guide, so kind of strange

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josey:

yeah Xorg goes to 99% cpu, damn

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benlake:

is anyone having issues retrieving their lineups from Zap2It?

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josey:

benlake: I haven't but it is ending soon, right?

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benlake:

josey: yeah, I'm under the impression it ends in September

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benlake:

josey: Time Warner just changed my lineup so I redid my zap2it lineups but cant seem to pull them in in mythtv-setup

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josey:

did you look a few hours into the future, and still no guide data?

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josey:

did you delete your channels and start over?

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josey:

question, I can compile latest svn with same --prefix, install it over the top of my current install with no problems right? and then if it doesn't fix my program guide issue I can "make install" my original back over it again — with no problems?

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Aval0n:

anyone in here using a 7300GS with hdmi?

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Tanthrix:

Still not working decently?

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floppyears:

how do you guys monitor your mythtv box ?

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floppyears:

do you use nagio or something ?

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floppyears:

or does mythtv have some built-in module ?

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benlake:

cacti

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benlake:

for remote monitoring, if you want something locally to be a "watchdog", google 'monit'

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JeffH:

can a mythtv frontend be diskless?

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floppyears:

thanks benlake

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benlake:

JeffH: yes

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benlake:

JeffH: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Diskless_Frontend

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JeffH:

benlake: even if its using a wireless network card?

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benlake:

JeffH: you should try just a smidge harder on the google search before asking :P

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JeffH:

haha

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benlake:

JeffH: well that has nothing to do with myth, that is tricky in and of itself

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JeffH:

hmm.. guess that little experiment can wait.. I really wanna build a mythtv box though..

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benlake:

JeffH: I honestly don't know if wireless cards support that, since they dont/cant make a connection without additional info

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benlake:

wired NICs can make link and receive traffic without getting an IP

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benlake:

not sure how to setup a wireless card to make a link to a specific net (much less an encryption settings) and receive traffic

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MilkBoy:

mmm.. the ethernet bot options are not available for wlan iirc... don't see how it would work anyway

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MilkBoy:

boot*

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benlake:

MilkBoy: yeah, its actually a pretty interesting question

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benlake:

I mean, it would be possible to make a WNIC with some configurable firmware for such situations

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benlake:

but I know of know such thing currently available

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MilkBoy:

ye

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Tanthrix:

Awesome, I had 6 shows in a row fail due to my wonderfully stable firewire box

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AndyCap:

JeffH: wireless game adapters. :)

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Aval0n:

anyone in here using a 7300GS with hdmi?

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benlake:

AndyCap: well, all you're saying is use a wireless access point to connect to the network, but the disk-less machine would still have a wired NIC

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benlake:

AndyCap: which is a fair point, good catch :)

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benlake:

cheers

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floppyears:

do you guys know of links or documents that discusss lvm vs storage groups ?

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JeffH:

So I want to build a mythtv machine.. right now I just have standard cable with a standard definition television, but in the next few years I'll probably buy an HDTV and get digital/hdtv cable. What's my best option for setting up a mythtv machine in this scenario?

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Tanthrix:

Hrm.

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Tanthrix:

Well, first off, you'll want something that will be HD capable, CPU wise. One of the cheaper Core 2 Duos would do that nicely, or an AMD equivilent if you prefer

[07:18:37]

Tanthrix:

For a video card you'll want something with DVI out for outputting dvi/hdmi in the future, as well as component just in case (A GF7300 for $35 would be great choice)

[07:19:44]

Tanthrix:

As for a tuner, I'd say just get a PVR-150 for now. It can only do analog, but there really aren't any hd digital tuners that do analog well, and you may not be using an HD tuner when you eventually get HD TV anyway (firewire cable box)

[07:20:09]

Tanthrix:

So to that end, you'll want a motherboard with onboard firewire, or at least enough PCI slots to have a tuner or two and a firewire card

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JeffH:

Tanthrix: Thanks.

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JeffH:

One more question.. I don't have a stereo right now.. but in the future (probably when buy the HDTV) I'll get some Theatre sound system setup. Will an onboard sound card be sufficient?

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Tanthrix:

JeffH: As long as you get one with coax SPDIF out you'll be fine. (For outputting digital multichannel audio, otherwise you'll be stuck with the ole' headphone to stereo RCA converter

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Tanthrix:

Not that it's a huge deal – I run my audio over RCA – not really into the whole sound thing

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Tanthrix:

And above all, make sure all your hardware is linux compatible BEFORE buying.

[07:37:56]

Tanthrix:

That means a decent amount of research on the mobo

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JeffH:

yeah..

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JeffH:

Is memory a big issue? 1GB enough?

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Aval0n:

anyone know if the wireless version of the hauppauge mediamvp works with myth?

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Tanthrix:

JeffH: 1GB is plenty.

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JeffH:

cool.

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JeffH:

alright, I'm off to find a mobo.. Is there a database anywhere that I can search on to find out possible matches?

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Tanthrix:

Not to my knowledge

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JeffH:

didn't think so but figured t was worth a shot.

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Tanthrix:

I searched newegg reviews for linux

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Tanthrix:

(Then followed up with google, of course)

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JeffH:

gotcha.. thanks for the info Tanthrix

[07:49:41]

Tanthrix:

No prob.

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floppyears:

hi guys

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JeffH:

what's the state of wireless network cards in Linux? Are there some that work?

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floppyears:

I have an old sound card laying around: Creative Sound Blaster Audigy ES SB0162 5.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card

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floppyears:

is that sound card better than the onboard sound in the following motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128034

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floppyears:

?

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floppyears:

what do you guys think I should use ?

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Tanthrix:

Doubtful you'd notice a difference, but I'd go with the onboard

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Tanthrix:

But whichever works better.

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floppyears:

Tanthrix: do you mind if I ask you why ?

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Tanthrix:

Just because it's newer.

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juski:

floppyears: FWIW, no point getting some fancy 5.1 card – if you're gonna have surround it's altogether best to go with digital out anyway, and just about any cheap-ass card with spdif out will do for that

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Tanthrix:

Which could actually make things worse though.

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floppyears:

juski: the speakers that I was planning to use with the mythtv box are: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Z-640-Speaker- . . . p/B00006HYPD

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floppyears:

juski: I already have that old card, it's in an old machine and I hardly ever use it

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juski:

floppyears: so virtually any card with digital output will do

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juski:

eh? maybe not. that speaker set has only analogue inputs

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juski:

ugh!

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JeffH:

do HTPC cases take full size mobos.. or do I need to find a small form factor mobo?

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Aval0n:

jeff

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Aval0n:

there are different htpc cases

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Aval0n:

micro atx is most common

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JeffH:

gotcha.

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Aval0n:

typically you get 1 agp/pci-x slot and 3 pci

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Aval0n:

not mini-atx

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Aval0n:

those are the super small cases

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floppyears:

juski: yeah, those are some old speakers. so since it doesn't support digital inputs, is it better to use the onboard or the old sound card ?

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floppyears:

I'm not too much of an audio junky

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floppyears:

is there a limit to the size a partition can be ?

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floppyears:

I don't think there is, but I just want to double check with you guys

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DustyBin:

what happens if you compile the v4l-dvb on top of a already installed older version, does it automatically overwrite the old drivers?

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DustyBin:

maybe I should of unloaded my cards modules manually before i done this?

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JeffH:

I think I found my motherboard.

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JeffH:

kinda expensive though.

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JeffH-:

anyone know how big of a power supply I should look for.. the specs are, Intel C2D, Seagate 7200rpm drive, 2x512MB DDR2 667 memory.

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juski:

300W should be fine for that, assuming you're not gonna be pimping a silly VGA card

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JeffH-:

pimping a silly vga card? I'm using a GF7300 card.

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juski:

maybe you need more than 300W then

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juski:

I can't see it myself though. it's not as if a C2D is the most thirsty of CPUs, and only one HDD..

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JeffH-:

if it makes a difference its a microATX form factor.

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juski:

http://www.zippy.com.tw/P_Budget.asp?lv_rfnbr=2 might be useful

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JeffH-:

tx

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juski:

heh not that it includes any recent VGA cards

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JeffH-:

actually, I think I've got everything except a HTPC case.

[09:35:06]

juski:

eep! a GF7800 pulls over 100W

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juski:

a more up to date calc is here: http://web.aanet.com.au/SnooP/psucalc.php

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JeffH-:

hm.. I'm at $578.34 right now without a case.

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JeffH-:

case is gonna be a PITA to find.. I'm picky.

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juski:

with your system specs, that calc is looking at a minimum of a 373W PSU of a generic brand, or 208W in a decent brand PSU

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JeffH-:

hm.. decided on a FSP Group 300W.

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juski:

so seems I was more or less in the right areas with my original 300W, so long as it's a reputable brand

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juski:

you'll need it to be a quiet one too no doubt

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JeffH-:

that's a good point. I might have to look closer at that.

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juski:

I'll bookmark that calc. will come in handy

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juski:

"Legal bs: This is a guide only, I take no responsibility if you buy a psu that destroys your system based on any information here."

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JeffH-:

I'm surprised the price has come so low.. even without the case.. I was expecting about $1,000

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juski:

still, so much for your 'free' DVR :D

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JeffH-:

beats the $35/month more I'm paying to ComCast so I can have a DVR

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juski:

well, time I started bundling up all my source images. gonna make em all public domain

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JeffH-:

source images of what?

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juski:

themes

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juski:

see, what I expect people are thinking right now is that when I 'calm down' I'll just quietly make everything available again. wrong. I really do want to pass the baton

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juski:

so – all the original work files will be at http://downloads.mythtvtalk.com/mythtv/themes/ soon

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JeffH-:

can a mythtv box make use of a a VFD and volume control knob on a case?

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juski:

JeffH-: if said VFD is supported by lcdproc, yesh

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adante:

howdy

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adante:

not sure if anybody is interested but this is a (rather large) copy of my backendlog over the course of 4–5 days http://adante.11011.net/backend-memleak.log

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adante:

3–4

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adante:

during this time the memory usage built up from some fairly small amount to about 600 meg of virtual, 200 resident

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juski:

there've been a few backend memory leak fixes recently – what version are you running?

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adante:

and i know that there is no way to accurately measure memory usage in linux, but after i killed the backend and restarted it my computer stopped trhashing :]

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adante:

juski: svn 14126

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juski:

that's not all that recent though is it?

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adante:

um, less than a month i think.. 0.20.20070717–1

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adante:

lemme check svn

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juski:

I'd update to the latest & see how you get on with that

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adante:

okay

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juski:

hmm apparently ToysRUs are having a Mac clearout. Mac mini for under £200 !

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DustyBin:

could you make that into a myth front end ?

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** DustyBin wonders that kind of gfx card is in a mac mini **

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Merlin83b2:

DustyBin: Yes.

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Merlin83b2:

juski: In shops or online?

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DustyBin:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Minimyth.jpg

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juski:

Merlin83b2: none online

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juski:

DustyBin: minimyth has FA to do with Mac hardware

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Merlin83b2:

juski: So if I popped out to ToysRUs, I could get a MM for less?

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DustyBin:

i just like that picture with the little mac on it

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juski:

yeah. not sure what sort of hardware those ones have. AFAIK they're def. not powerpc CPUs though

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Merlin83b2:

I may have to take a quick visit later on!

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juski:

image upload almost at 70%. closure almost complete

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Merlin83b2:

I may also buy all that they have in stock!

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juski:

what puts me off is the remote though.

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juski:

6 buttons or something, and it's unknown if its receiver will work with other remotes

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robbins876:

juski, good to see that you made it back

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juski:

I'm not back

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Merlin83b2:

juski: True enough – I wasn't necessarily thinking of FEs though, but one may end up in that role.

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juski:

my commit privs have been taken away – totally understandable, and I'm definitely out of the theme game once these source images are uploaded

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robbins876:

what are commit privs?

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juski:

put it this way you won't be seeing any more tickets with my name on

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robbins876:

oh, i see... why have they been taken away, or was that your choice?

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juski:

'm not gonna cause a stink about it because I think they're well within their rights

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robbins876:

oh, i see...it wasn't me that pushed you over the edge, was it? I hope not, anyway.

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DustyBin:

what would happen if i took the whole of the mythtv source code and just renamed it to dustybintv and released it?

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juski:

DustyBin: that'd be called a fork

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DustyBin:

are there any mythtv forks ?

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juski:

perfectly legit

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juski:

nope

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AndyCap:

DustyBin: you'd still have to comply with the license though.

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juski:

aye any fork of a GPL project has to remain GPL

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DustyBin:

yes of course

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AndyCap:

how's mythtv on GPL v3 btw?

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juski:

dunno

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AndyCap:

Hihi, what do I get from google? The Richmond Mythtv Meetup group

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juski:

huh?

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AndyCap:

http://mythtv.meetup.com/17/

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AndyCap:

are there 17 of them?

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AndyCap:

nah, the rest are closed I guess

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DustyBin:

thats a interesting module:

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DustyBin:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_Apple_Trailers

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juski:

well, I'm starting to think it's probably only going to add to my shame if I hang around much more

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Merlin83b2:

You have shame?

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Merlin83b2:

What's to be shameful of?

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juski:

being a bad example of how NOT top contribute. being an arse in here

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juski:

or maybe a great example of how not to be a contributor :)

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Merlin83b2:

For all the arseness in here, you've helped quite a lot of people, me included.

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juski:

yeah but it's not that which I'll be remembered for, I think

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DustyBin:

aye i rememeber juski from the forum, you've helped hundreds of people out

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juski:

yeah then I fucking cracked up

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DustyBin:

hehe

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juski:

right that's it. all the theme source images are uploaded now. big files & lots of them. it was fun for a bit

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pat_:

so long, and thanks for all the fish.

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juski:

I just hope somebody steps up – somebody who genuinely give a shit and can handle the responsibility

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DustyBin:

ok guys, ill be taking over from juski from now

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alex_:

mythtv-setup segfaults over ssh, is it possible to run the configuration in text mode?

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fysa:

I believe you'll at least need VNC.

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alex_:

fysa, I have done it over ssh with -X before, but I'll try a vnc server

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Ryushin:

Just curious, has schedules direct been integrated into svn yet?

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GreyFoxx:

not yet, but likely in the next couple days

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GreyFoxx:

The changes right now are pretty trivial

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GreyFoxx:

it's more testing that's gonna take the time

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DustyBin:

i wonder if juski will ever come back?

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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Merlin83b:

He's already back ;-)

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DustyBin:

o_0

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DustyBin:

nope still there :-)

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DustyBin:

this is my mythtv box:

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DustyBin:

SysInfo: Linux 2.6.18-4–686 | Dual Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz 3192.256 MHz | Bogomips: 12773.2 | Mem: 653/1012M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 444.82G Free: 318.49G | Procs: 126 | Uptime: 4 hrs 53 mins 11 secs | Load: 0.32 0.39 0.27 | Vpenis: 173.6 cm | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) | eth0: In: 415.60M Out: 523.76M

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Ryushin:

GreyFoxx: Okay, just wondering when I need to upgrade my SVN. I'm a couple of months behind as I saw some major bugs being straightened out in the developers list.

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DustyBin:

Ryushin: is it a big job upgrading?

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Ryushin:

DustyBin: For the most part, it's mostly been fairly easy. You just have to watch the developers list to find a length of time everything has settled down a bit so there won't be a problem.

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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Ryushin:

The code commits usually come in bursts. Just watch for a length of time for things to quite down. Right now I've been reading about prebuffering pauses caused by a new commit from ffmpeg. So I'm waiting until that gets solved.

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Ryushin:

Using SVN you can always check out any revision you want. Any time code is committed, a new revision is created.

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bradd:

anyone know where i can get the project grayhem osd theme?

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GreyFoxx:

bradd: Running SVN ?

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bradd:

i installed the atrpms packages..im not sure if they are svn versions or not..i doubt it

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DustyBin:

GreyFoxx are you a fedora man?

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DustyBin:

or a gentoo man

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GreyFoxx:

neither

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bradd:

i tried checking out the svn source but i only see the regular theme...not the osd theme

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GreyFoxx:

Slackware all the way

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GreyFoxx:

bradd: in svn there are 2 theme branches seperate from the regular mythtv branch

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GreyFoxx:

myththemes, and "themes"

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GreyFoxx:

but if you are running 0.20 release or -fixes I don;t know if they will work for you

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GreyFoxx:

the themes might be up on www.juski.co.uk

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jams:

heh i just don't see greyfoxx running gentoo

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't looked in a b it

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DustyBin:

does slackware use really old kernels?

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bradd:

they are not

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GreyFoxx:

DustyBin: Well, it would if I told it to I suppose

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DustyBin:

jeeze

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DustyBin:

GreyFoxx: it must take you about 2 weeks to compile and configure everything just how you want it

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DustyBin:

but i imagine you have a pretty stable box

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GreyFoxx:

Dusty more like an hour or 2

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DustyBin:

jeeze

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|ToMz|:

Hi, i have questions about MythTV .. can you help me ?

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GreyFoxx:

from a fresh install I can have afull myth box with an ivtv card and nvidia video out going in 2 hours max assuming the hardware isn't nasty slow

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|ToMz|:

Can you Stream LiveTV .. i want to have my ExpressVu at my job .. can I ? i have Hauppauge PVR 150 with Official MCE Remote installed

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|ToMz|:

prsently i'm working with Orb but it's not really a good PVR

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GreyFoxx:

|ToMz|: There is no built in livetv streaming over the int ernet. It would use too much bandwidth

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|ToMz|:

currently*

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DustyBin:

GreyFoxx: one day i might try out a distro like slackware, im sure it would be a good learning experience

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GreyFoxx:

there is no on the fly livetv transcoding built in

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bradd:

so is there a howto/readme on running/compiling the SVN version?

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|ToMz|:

ok ... so wich soft can do Live Streaming and good PVR function ...

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bradd:

ahh i think i found it

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GreyFoxx:

|ToMz|: I don't know

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GreyFoxx:

if I absolutely must stream from my house to my work I use some shell scripts that call vlc

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GreyFoxx:

that way I can stream livetv, recordings or whatever

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|ToMz|:

ok ... any procedure on the wbe for that ?

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|ToMz|:

wbe = web

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GreyFoxx:

I dunno, certainly nothing I've written

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|ToMz|:

ok .. thanks .. i'll try to find solution :)

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jthomas_work:

hi, If I connect through Scart->composite adapter do I need a separate cable for the sound ?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

that'

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GreyFoxx:

s video only

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GreyFoxx:

oops sorry

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GreyFoxx:

the scart is capable of it, but your video card wouldn't have sound. So you would need some way to connect in audio

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GreyFoxx:

unless it comes with audio and video jacks on the adapter

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jthomas_work:

heh, I bought only Composite cable ;/ so now I need to find Phono cable...

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Kazan:

any idea why some programs are being improperly flagged as HD?

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Kazan:

and why audio on HD programs is so quiet now? (upgraded from FC5 to FC7 and from .20-fixes to trunk)

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Kazan:

arg my recorded programs page doesn't want to load either

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djc_:

can mythtv substitute receiving channels via IP/UDB multicast in place of a standard v4l capture card?

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djc_:

ud*P* that is

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mkrufky:

hdhomerun does it that way, djc_

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mkrufky:

and mythtv supports the hdhomerun

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djc_:

thats a different app? or part of myth?

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mkrufky:

its a device

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djc_:

i dont need a device

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mkrufky:

so, you could always add such support to mythtv

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mkrufky:

OR

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djc_:

pc already has an ethernet card

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GreyFoxx:

djc_: What do you mean by substitue it ?

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GreyFoxx:

Myth will record from an IPTV source now

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djc_:

my 'cable' provider uses ethernet/IP to connect to their digital set top box

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mkrufky:

you could use the dvb loopback driver to accept the stream over the network and then fake it like a local DVB device

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djc_:

and I have managed to get proof-of-concept that I can receive those without their box

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djc_:

using vlc

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GreyFoxx:

Why would you do that that? Myth will already record the IP stream durectly

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mkrufky:

oh, oops... you said v4l capture.... . in which case, s/"dvb"/v4l/

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mkrufky:

oops,. okay then

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djc_:

but vlc is hardly a joe-consumer friendly interface

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DustyBin:

GreyFoxx im downloading slackware 12 and im going to test it out as a xen guest

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mkrufky:

listen to GreyFoxx and ignore what i said above, djc_

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GreyFoxx:

djc_: myth will record the iptv streams directly

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djc_:

basically, instead of configuring a capture card, telling myth that to receive channel "X", receive multicast udp from IP Y and port Z

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djc_:

is how to setup/configure that obvious?

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GreyFoxx:

djc_: It was when I set it up

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djc_:

I need to tell it a different multicast IP for each 'channel'

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GreyFoxx:

But I am using SVN trunk, I can't remember as far back as 0.20

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DustyBin:

does the svn trunk feel/look any different to .020 ?

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djc_:

the providers box is an aminocom 110, if that helps

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djc_:

what would be really cool is to have access to their 'guide' and whatnot from an open platform

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djc_:

but its not really critical

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GreyFoxx:

In SVN you define the source, point it at an m3u file that devices each "channel", and you are ready to go

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GreyFoxx:

s/devices/defines

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djc_:

hrm.. i think vlc has one of those (m3u)

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GreyFoxx:

I generate 8 iptv streams in my house that I feed to myth using the iptv recorders

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GreyFoxx:

PErsonally though I do think the config could be a little cleaner or at lkeast the channel editor could write out the m3u

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GreyFoxx:

Though to be fair I did do it manually, so maybe the channel editor can write out the m3u

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djc_:

ok.. yeah.. it had me pick the name and called it a 'playlist' so it isnt actually something.m3u, but since the first line is "#EXTM3U" I suppose thats what it is

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djc_:

and after i used vlc to make one with a couple lines, i wrote a shell script to generate a full one

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djc_:

so ok, goof

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djc_:

er

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djc_:

good

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djc_:

is that in the released version of myth or only the development trunk?

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GreyFoxx:

I honestly can't remember how you set them up back then. It might have been called the crciprecorder or something. At some point it was rewritten

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GreyFoxx:

and I don;t remember if it was before or after 0.20 was released

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djc_:

i dont suppose theres any documentation anywhere for that..

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djc_:

hrm

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djc_:

the release notes for .20 include "Added an MPEG1/MPEG2/MPEG4-AVC IP network recorder"

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stuarta:

afternoon

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Jenetik:

Anyone know stuff about lirc_i2c?

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kslater:

GreyFoxx: what do you mean you "generate 8 iptv streams"?

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kslater:

as it they're generated by OTA captures and put on the wire? or?

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kslater:

just curious

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GreyFoxx:

kslater: I have VLC read from a DVB card (QAM signal from my cable company.) It takes the 8 channels in that 1 multiplex and breaks them into 8 seperate IPTV streams. That way I can record all 8 channels at once in myth

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kslater:

way cool

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kslater:

you're in the US?

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GreyFoxx:

and it turns out my top 8 channels are all broadcast on the same multiplex in the clear by my cable co :)

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GreyFoxx:

Canada

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kslater:

that is very slick

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GreyFoxx:

yeah I was pretty happy when I got it going :)

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GreyFoxx:

was easier than I expected

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kslater:

that's the sort of functionality that's being talked about adding into Myth?

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GreyFoxx:

yeah the multirec branch

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GreyFoxx:

same idea without the iptv part :)

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kslater:

what sort of LAN do you have that can handle 8 iptv streams?

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kslater:

seems like a lot of bandwidth

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GreyFoxx:

not reall, only 1–4 megabit each

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GreyFoxx:

whcih on aswitched 100meg network isn';t much

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GreyFoxx:

but in my case I have the dvb card and the iptv destination on the same box. So it never leaves the machine

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GreyFoxx:

I originally did it over the network, but when I consolidated several machines I put the card into the same machine

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kslater:

I did a little playing around with capturing OTA HD and having VLC put that on the network. It killed my LAN. However at that time some of the cards where running 1/2 duplex and I may have had a 10Mb/s hub in there someplace.

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kslater:

I've since moved to full duplex and 10/100/1000 Mb/s switched

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Kazan:

hey guys

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Kazan:

i upgraded from FC5 to FC7 .. now my saa7134-based card (KWorld ATSC 110) is recording audio very quiet

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kslater:

mixer issue?

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Kazan:

does the saa7134 have it's own mixer?

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Kazan:

because my analog recordings are fine

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Kazan:

and they're IVTV

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mkrufky:

Kazan: you're talking about recording ATSC, right?

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mkrufky:

the audio is within the mpeg stream

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mkrufky:

so, couldnt be a mixer issue

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GreyFoxx:

kslater: I plan to move to gigabit soon, but that's mostly before of the large video files I'm editing and it's getting on my nerves waiting the extra seconds for them to load :)

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Kazan:

mkrufky: yeah... apparently saa7134's have volume control somehow

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Kazan:

and can mute

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mkrufky:

Kazan: no, that would not affect the audio within the mpeg stream

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mkrufky:

Kazan: all that stuff is handled by software

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mkrufky:

Kazan: i believe that you are looking at this from the wrong angle

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mkrufky:

Kazan: when you're recording streams that are originally transmitted in mpeg2, the only place that controls volume is playback

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mkrufky:

heh, he didnt like that answer

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Kazan:

ah.. volume control must be for the analog part

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mkrufky:

yes

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Kazan:

what is the console tool for checking ATSC signal strength?

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laga:

femon?

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Kazan:

hmm

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** Kazan will check if that is installed after yum finishes **

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Kazan:

ok.. how do i use it

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Kazan:

ok.. that output is raw and unhelpful

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qfour21:

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Nik_Doof:

is it normal for mythbackend to be chewing 641mb ram?

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stuarta:

Nik_Doof: there are one or two leaks left to plug

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Nik_Doof:

ahh :)

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stuarta:

i think only 1 in head...

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Nik_Doof:

running on .20-fixes atm

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stuarta:

lots in that.

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Nik_Doof:

hehe, i'll give it a restart then

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Nik_Doof:

oh, turns out it was using about 1.9gb

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stuarta:

heh.

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Nik_Doof:

didnt notice the 0 available swap

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stuarta:

bit better now?

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Nik_Doof:

well doesnt sound like a weed wacker in my case anymore

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stuarta:

ah 1.5x timestretch :)

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hobophobe:

Does the PVR-350 hw decoder only work if you're outputting to TV?

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PSU:

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PSU:

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PSU:

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PSU:

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PSU:

Hi guys--

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PSU:

I recently installed MythDora 4.0 and am having some issues getting live TV displayed. I am using my PVR-350 as the capture card and the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX for TV-Out. I am able to successfully capture and play video (and sound) using the "famous" cat /dev/video > test.mpg command along with mplayer but when I click on "Live TV" from MythTV, I get a blank screen and the system appears to lock up. Do I need any type of physical connectio

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PSU:

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PSU:

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hobophobe:

PSU the blank lines are kinda pointless..

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PSU:

i didn't mean it...pasted from a post i made

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PSU:

sorry :/

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hobophobe:

ah

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PSU:

i'm glad i didn't get kicked :P

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hobophobe:

it cut off at 'physical connecti'

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PSU:

oh ok

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PSU:

Do I need any type of physical connection from my PVR-350 to my TV-Out card or will this be performed on the bus? I have verified that the PVR-350 can capture both audio and video and that my NVIDIA can display the captured video but I do not have the ability to record or watch "Live TV" from within MythTV.

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hobophobe:

hmm

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hobophobe:

if you're using a 350 there's some way you can use the 350 itself for tv-out

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PSU:

yeah, but it's very dicey

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hobophobe:

ah, ok

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PSU:

i had it working on my knoppmyth setup

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PSU:

but i recently redid my system

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PSU:

the new version (0.20) is much harder to get pvr-350 to work w/ tv-out

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hobophobe:

are you going straight to tv or are you also trying to see if you get this working on the computer monitor first?

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PSU:

trying the monitor first

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PSU:

which i can watch video

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PSU:

but can't watch live tv

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hobophobe:

yeah hmm

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PSU:

i think it must be something w/i mythsetup that is wrong

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hobophobe:

it doesn't give you an error though?

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PSU:

nope

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PSU:

just a black screen

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hobophobe:

and you can escape and get back into the menus ?

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PSU:

i think but i have just hit ctrl alt backspace

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hobophobe:

ah

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PSU:

do you know if i need to have some different setting in mythsetup for the nvidia?

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PSU:

like under the input settings or something?

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hobophobe:

well, if you go into myth and 'watch recordings' part of tv, does it list anything?

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PSU:

sec

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PSU:

good idea

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hobophobe:

like, is it actually recording when you watch livetv :o)

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PSU:

does not appear to be and there's nothing in there

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PSU:

escape didn't work

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PSU:

had to ctrl al backspace

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PSU:

so that means it's not recording at all

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PSU:

myth seems broken

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hobophobe:

yeah, sounds like it isn't quite configured to use your 350 yet..hmm

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hobophobe:

sounds like it tries to start, but something is blocking it (maybe something as simple as a permission on the device) and it locks up

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PSU:

hmm

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directhex:

usual problem: configuring a PVR card as a regular capture card, not an mpeg2 encoder

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directhex:

not saying it applies here, but it's usually the cause of PVR problems

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hobophobe:

ah, interesting

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SeanTater:

I've recorded something on my dvd recorder (not mythtv), and I'd like to take the DVD and remove the commercials from it.

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PSU:

directhex: any more advice? :P

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PSU:

directhex: where would i look for that setting?

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directhex:

PSU, mythtv-setup

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PSU:

bec. i think you're right!

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PSU:

directhex: under capture cards?

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directhex:

yeah

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PSU:

ok

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PSU:

i have my 350 setup there

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hobophobe:

SeanTater, might be kinda tricky to do with myth since afaik you can't just import a video to treat like a recording

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PSU:

directhex: changed to mpeg2 encoder; went into watch tv

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PSU:

and now i get unable to initialize video

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PSU:

but at least i get an error!

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hobophobe:

SeanTater, one way might be to actually playback the dvd and record it into myth, but that seems prone to loss

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hobophobe:

SeanTater, otherwise might just try to transcode the segments into separate files using mencoder etc. and then take the separate parts (skipping over the commercial portions) and transcode into one long video

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SeanTater:

"Into seperate files" — how is that?

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PSU:

directhex: do i then need to add a video source or how do i get it from the pvr350 to the nvidia?

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directhex:

PSU, i don't use analog. i can't give advice from actual experience

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PSU:

ok np

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hobophobe:

SeanTater, with mencoder you can specify only to transcode a portion, so up to the first break, then starting after the first and until the second, and so on.

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SeanTater:

Unfortunately, my dvd recorder makes it's dvd's in DVD-VR format instead of DVD-VIDEO so it does not play

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SeanTater:

Okay — I think I can do that

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hobophobe:

http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-us . . . /002816.html

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hobophobe:

that has for ffmpeg

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hobophobe:

I'm sure there's one for mencoder or whatever other transcoder you want :o)

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SeanTater:

Thanks, I have actually used that before, but I was hoping to do it automatically, as I have about 8 hours of video to remove the commercials from..

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hobophobe:

ah yeah

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SeanTater:

I'm not very speedy and I'm not patient enough to spend 3 days on it..

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hobophobe:

well if you could play it back to myth recording it, let myth flag it, just to get the times you need to cut it at... but yeah, still a pain

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SeanTater:

Okay — how do I play it through to make a recording?

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Dagmar:

You download the Dynebolic LiveCD and use Cinelerra to cut the video

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hobophobe:

that would work

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hobophobe:

to play it through you'd have to have an out with the video into an in for your capture card and just watch live tv, then go back and tell it to flag I guess

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SeanTater:

I only installed mythtv for the commercial removal, I have no capture card or anything like it..

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SeanTater:

Dagmar: I have ubuntu already, would cinelerra work on that?

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hobophobe:

well, the only other way is find out if you can import the video into myth's database I guess

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SeanTater:

Dagmar: I've found a howto — installing now

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SeanTater:

hobophobe: it's in the video database but mythcommflag only looks in the recordings

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hobophobe:

yeah.. hmm

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Dibblah:

Commercial cutting is highly variable.

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Dibblah:

It may work for you, it may not.

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Dibblah:

Myth is probably not the right tool for this job ;)

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SeanTater:

Dibblah: recommendations?

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praet:

quick q: what steps should i take to resolve missing guide data.. when i run fill it shows 14 days added but no data in chanells appears

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praet:

in program table is 4 entries

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Dibblah:

SeanTater: A video editing application...

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hobophobe:

praet, run mythfilldatabase --refresh-all I think, provided your data source isn't the problem.

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hobophobe:

possibly if your table's corrupt you need to repair it, etc.

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SeanTater:

Dibblah: I don't think kino or Kdenlive have a commercial removal feature — I'll have to search on cinelerra

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Dibblah:

You are going to end up scanning through the video manually anyway.

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praet:

hobophobe: i did try that already (refresh-all)

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hobophobe:

did fill give you any kind of message indicating you may have a corrupt table?

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praet:

I also deleted the program table completely. then ran fill, only to have success but only those same 4 programs

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hobophobe:

odd..

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praet:

maybe after an automated run it will work

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Dibblah:

praet: Which provider?

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praet:

I guess my last resort owuld be to backup, clear the tables besides recording and re run

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Dibblah:

xmltv / ...

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praet:

datadirect (dd usa

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Dibblah:

Are you running it with the right user / environment?

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praet:

tried with both mythtvuser and root

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Dibblah:

praet: Ah well. Not really worth diagnosing, then ;)

[21:54:20]

praet:

it does seem to be downloading data (about 80kb for each day)

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praet:

does that seem like the right filesize?

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praet:

are those downloaded files stored in cache somewher?

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hobophobe:

pretty sure it removes them after processing

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hobophobe:

All it lists is 4 channels, or 4 programs, or 4 events (single instance of program)?

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praet:

4 events, one channel, PBS ironically

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hobophobe:

Are they same day, or spread out?

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praet:

same day, of today's date

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hobophobe:

Hmm

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hobophobe:

What did it show yesterday?

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hobophobe:

same 4 on today?

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praet:

I cant seem to figure out how fill interprets the data to add to the db

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praet:

was totally empty set yesterday

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praet:

I thought it was because internet was down or something

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praet:

instead running mythfill did not populate the database

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hobophobe:

yeah... I guess I'd probably go ahead and try repair the database; http://www.pantz.org/blog/blog-03-2007.shtml < this says they used 'mysqlcheck --auto-repair -A -u [username for the db] -p' and it fixed it

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praet:

ah will do that

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praet:

Strange that i didnt notice any dmesg db errors. I will have to check more carefully

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hobophobe:

though, the one time I had a crashed table if I remember it didn't show any listings and running fill did inform me of a crash

[22:14:35]

hobophobe:

but it won't hurt to repair if it's not crashed

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Dagmar:

That's because only the kernel writes to the dmesg buffer

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Dagmar:

MySQL writes to syslog.

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Dagmar:

There IS a difference.

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praet:

yikes. Ok will check that when I get home

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hobophobe:

for some reason my syslog always shows a lot of UDP packets

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Fnc:

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/

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Dibblah:

Fnc: Not really interesting, if that's what you're asking.

[22:32:38]

Fnc:

maybe not to you.. but to me it is.. if there are ever linux drivers

[22:32:48]

Dibblah:

No, it isn't.

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Dibblah:

All you get from that card is the raw 'analog equivalent' bitstream.

[22:33:22]

Dibblah:

Of NON-encrypted HDMI.

[22:33:37]

Dibblah:

So, you can't use it with STBs.

[22:33:43]

Dibblah:

And you have to software encode HD.

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Dibblah:

Which isn't going to happen.

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Fnc:

blah is right

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Dibblah:

?

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Agiofws:

hi

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Agiofws:

fistt of all can mythTV play a mpg file ?

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Agiofws:

a video file ?

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floppyears:

is dvd playback smooth under mythtv or does it take a while for dvd's to play ?

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floppyears:

what about the encryption protection of the dvd's ? will my mythtv be able to play them ?

[22:45:15]

Kazan:

i use Xine for DVD playback

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Kazan:

yes myth can play encrypted DVDs assuming you're in a country which doesn't send you to PMITA prison for installing libdvdcss

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Kazan:

AFAIK

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Agiofws:

can someone tell me if mythTV can play something like a MPG video ofile

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Agiofws:

thats is my first question if i can continue to my second one

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Anduin:

Agiofws: what is your second question?

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Anduin:

Agiofws: The most popular capture cards for MythTV output MPEG streams directly.

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Agiofws:

Anduin, first of all i just wnat o know if myth TV can play a video file or is it just for tv cards ?

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Agiofws:

second questsion is to a customized play-list

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Anduin:

Agiofws: Of course it can.

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Agiofws:

ok

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Agiofws:

:)

[22:56:31]

Agiofws:

secondly

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Dagmar:

Third question is: Why can't Agiofws read the wiki or remember any of the thousands of other times those questions have come up in the channel after being here this long?

[22:56:42]

Agiofws:

is something somewhat peculiar

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Agiofws:

Dagmar, wait ofr the second one

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Dagmar:

Or, doh nevermind

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Agiofws:

i need mythTV to

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Dagmar:

I know him from ##Slackware and got confused. heh

[22:57:32]

Dagmar:

Here I've been thinking I've been seeing him in *here* for months

[22:57:51]

Agiofws:

ok

[22:58:02]

Dagmar:

Agiofws: first answer is it can play pretty much anything, and second answer is the playlist editor is bitchy but it works

[22:58:13]

Agiofws:

does anyone know of a VIDEO player like MythTV thats shows STARTIME OF the items in a playlist i mean REAL physical time like GMT +2 time

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Dagmar:

Nope

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Agiofws:

:(

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Agiofws:

i wonder why no linux app supports this

[23:00:08]

Agiofws:

atleast in video

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Dagmar:

Because basically, when people make a playlist *when* something starts doesn't really mean a damn thing to them

[23:00:19]

Agiofws:

i winoder what TV stations use

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Dagmar:

They use a scheduler

[23:00:39]

Agiofws:

it does to TV stations

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Dagmar:

It's not like it's hard to use mplayer to tell you how long a video file it

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Dagmar:

s/it/is/;

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Agiofws:

Dagmar, scheduler ?

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Dagmar:

Agiofws; Yes, but the digitally-capable stations just use a *program* that starts streams at a given time

[23:01:39]

Agiofws:

yes but if you have 1000 MPG in a list you wnatto know what time the news will fall at and interact with it to change something in the paly list

[23:01:53]

Dagmar:

They have to synch with their affiliates so that the local-segment commercial blocks don't get screwed up and overlap

[23:02:23]

Agiofws:

?

[23:02:31]

Agiofws:

synch with their affiliates so that the local-segment commercial blocks don't get screwed up and overlap?

[23:02:37]

Dagmar:

Agiofws: no you don't because all your programming is divided into tidy blocks which are started when they're supposed to be started, not one after the other

[23:03:02]

Agiofws:

ok i'm not follwoing you now

[23:03:04]

Dagmar:

Agiofws: yes, when you're watching say, NBC on your local cable, you are not watching JUST the nationaly broadcast stuff

[23:03:25]

Dagmar:

About every third commercial is actually being replaced by a commercial originating at your cable company or local NBC affiliate

[23:03:43]

Agiofws:

ok

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Dagmar:

These have GOT to be tightly controlled times

[23:03:53]

Agiofws:

ok

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Dagmar:

So literally, the thing doesn't work like "I've got a list of programA, programB, programC, programD, and I'm going to play them one after the other"

[23:04:23]

Agiofws:

why not ?

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Agiofws:

cause they get changed ?

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Agiofws:

About every third commercial is actually being replaced by a commercial originating at your cable company

[23:04:52]

Agiofws:

well that depends

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Agiofws:

onthe channel

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Dagmar:

At exactly 6:00pm it starts the localnews.mpg, then at 6:22:30 it plays a 30-second local commercial clip, then 6:23 starts the latter half of the news segment, etc etc

[23:05:07]

Agiofws:

if its a local channel you just make a large palylist

[23:05:13]

alex_:

Dagmar, I thought the slots to be replaced would contain special key frames in the stream the cable company receives

[23:05:23]

Dagmar:

If a file is missing, oh well, the station sits there showing a black screen or whatever until the next event hits

[23:05:34]

Dagmar:

Think of it more like mkaing a million freaking cron jobs that all call mplayer

[23:05:51]

Dagmar:

alex_: Depends on the station

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Dagmar:

WeatherChannel, definitely timed.

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Agiofws:

Dagmar, cani explain the situation at my local TV station

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Dagmar:

FOX fucks it up constantly, so I'm sure the local affiliate here is using strict timing and has no idea about NTP

[23:06:30]

Agiofws:

maybe i'llunderstand better ?

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Dagmar:

Sure

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Agiofws:

ok

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Dagmar:

HBO, as far as I know, when it does show the rare thing, puts all sorts of interesting things in the VBI

[23:07:20]

Agiofws:

they use a a PLAYER that ONLY plays with its own REALmagic pci digital to analog converter

[23:07:22]

Dagmar:

CNN, definitely a video trigger

[23:07:35]

Dagmar:

Their stuff is too high tech not to be able to do that

[23:07:51]

Dagmar:

Agiofws: Okay, and?

[23:08:04]

Agiofws:

from there the signal goes to the matrix from there to the console anfrom there it gets conveteted to UHF/VHF ok ?

[23:08:05]

Dagmar:

MythTV would not be the thing to use for that

[23:08:15]

Dagmar:

...but you could pretty much write a CGI interface to do that sort of silly thing and use cron

[23:08:18]

Agiofws:

up to here with me ?

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Dagmar:

Yeah

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Dagmar:

I was actually looking into working at the local public access station for awhile

[23:08:48]

Dagmar:

I just couldn't stand the smell of desperation about the place

[23:09:03]

Agiofws:

the SOFTWARE was written only to support fat32 FS which means the player canot play a file bigger than 2 GB

[23:09:17]

Agiofws:

so i am thinking of a cheap solution

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Dagmar:

That and the guy acted like he thought everyone wanted to steal all the stations gear and me and my housemate already personally owned better of everything but the camera

[23:09:33]

Dagmar:

Agiofws: Dude you so could

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Agiofws:

to get a tvcard or a digital to anaolog video card

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Agiofws:

and use its output

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Agiofws:

BUT i NEED to find a PLAYER that supports

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Agiofws:

START TIME

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Dagmar:

YOu *can* buy the pricey cards and use them with Linux, but if you're a small local station like a college or something, screw that

[23:10:17]

Agiofws:

like the one we use

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Dagmar:

No, you actually don't.

[23:10:42]

Dagmar:

what you need is simply a way to keep multiple instances of video players from screwing things up

[23:10:48]

Agiofws:

i thinkthat card plays with linux

[23:11:02]

Agiofws:

ok what should i do ?

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Dagmar:

As to the video output, you could probably just buy one of the high-quality nVidia cards and use it's s-video output fine

[23:11:20]

Agiofws:

say that i have 500 mpgs to plays

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Dagmar:

Surely you have a tech there that knows how to calibrate a video signal with an oscope

[23:11:31]

Agiofws:

SPOTS commercials NEWS repotages

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Dagmar:

Agiofws: you could literally schedule it with cron and at down to about the second

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Agiofws:

ithink we do a an OScope

[23:12:01]

Agiofws:

it has a little sqaure screen

[23:12:12]

Agiofws:

and some buttons next to it ?

[23:12:21]

Dagmar:

So you've seen someone do the NTSC bars test through the scope?

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Agiofws:

NO

[23:12:36]

Dagmar:

I learned WAY too much about this crap

[23:12:39]

Agiofws:

but we use PAL

[23:12:46]

Dagmar:

Same deal there, with less annoyance even

[23:12:47]

Agiofws:

system

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Agiofws:

but whatsthat got to do with the playlist

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Dagmar:

Dude you could have *cron jobs* run mplayer

[23:13:28]

Dagmar:

I'm not the least bit joking about that

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Agiofws:

is that hard to do editingthe cron tab ?

[23:13:55]

Dagmar:

These things do not have to be just handed to the player to be played sequentially

[23:13:59]

Agiofws:

and finding how much this file is

[23:14:10]

Agiofws:

and the claculationg when it will paly etc...

[23:14:24]

Dagmar:

1. It's not very hard, and 2. you would probably want to just write a CGI application to let you do the scheduling through a web interface to make it easier and to avoid silly errors

[23:15:03]

Dagmar:

There's arguments you can pass to mplayer that will make it simply tell you some stuff about the file (it's length, what type of audio) and exit

[23:15:13]

Agiofws:

1st. why do i not what things to be playing sequentely ?

[23:15:27]

Dagmar:

You have a simple script grab that info about each file and you stick it in a cheap-o DB...

[23:15:31]

Agiofws:

thats how we do it there

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Agiofws:

cheap-o DB. ?

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Agiofws:

Datat base ?

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Dagmar:

...and as it makes each entry in the db for you to look at, it simultaneously schedules a cron job to play that file at that specific time

[23:16:03]

Dagmar:

yes a database

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Dagmar:

Something simple

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Dagmar:

You could do this with Tie::Hash in perl if you didn't care about keeping historical information about what you've broadcast, but perl has DBI modules that make using MySQL pretty easy

[23:16:40]

Agiofws:

1st. why do i not what things to be playing sequentely ?in a large playlist and why do i want many instances of mplayer ?

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Agiofws:

instead of ONE mplayer and a BG playlist ?

[23:17:16]

Agiofws:

BIG*

[23:17:36]

Agiofws:

sorry for asking so many questions but i really wantto understand this

[23:17:42]

Dagmar:

Agiofws: Let's say you have a timing issue occur or some hiccoughs happen during playback of an hour's worth of programming that causes things to get six seconds behind...

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Agiofws:

or a file is corrupted

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Agiofws:

and its starts the next itam 1 minute bfofre its time

[23:18:51]

Dagmar:

Surely unless that happened all at once, the lag would maybe not be noticed if each segment in that playlist were started independently at the exact time it was supposed to start

[23:18:54]

Agiofws:

everything wil shift up 1 minute

[23:19:07]

Agiofws:

AH...

[23:19:25]

Agiofws:

so thats why we need cron ?

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but if you've got things arranged into tidy blocks that are started exactly on the hour or the 20/30/40 the lag won't have as much time to build to noticeable levels

[23:19:40]

Agiofws:

so every instance starts at a given TIME

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Dagmar:

YES.

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Agiofws:

no matter what

[23:19:49]

Dagmar:

Exactly

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Agiofws:

GOOD

[23:20:05]

Agiofws:

now about cron

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Dagmar:

Crontab is easy

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Agiofws:

does crontab have a gui interface ?

[23:20:32]

Dagmar:

Nope.

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NightMonkey:

Agiofws: Webmin.

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Dagmar:

This is why you'd probably want to just write a CGI script

[23:20:54]

Dagmar:

Webmin would kinda be a one-off solution for that, but it would work

[23:21:15]

Dagmar:

Just don't put the f**king thing on the internet

[23:21:30]

Dagmar:

Someone like me will come along and see it and fall prey to the temptation of scheduling their own commercials

[23:22:05]

Agiofws:

*/5 * * * * /home/agiofws/bin/gotmail -u user -p XXXXXX --only-new --mark-messages-as-read --use-procmail

[23:22:07]

Agiofws:

HAHAHA

[23:22:26]

Dagmar:

I am the kind of madman who would do a stop-action 15-second commercial for selling toxic waste in 16oz sport bottles and air it to see if anyone would notice

[23:22:31]

Agiofws:

ok what entry would i want ?

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Agiofws:

i would do that aswell

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Dagmar:

Something like 0 0 * * * DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/mplayer /path/to/show/that/starts/at/midnight.mpg

[23:23:43]

Dagmar:

...and 0 1 * * * DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/mplayer /path/to/show/that/starts/at/oneam.mpg

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Agiofws:

Dagmar, i think you cant get down to under a minute in crontab

[23:24:29]

Dagmar:

If you want to see when items within a playlist start, you can still use hour-long playlists but don't expect the *player* to tell you when it's going to start playing things

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Dagmar:

Just use a script to scan the files in the playlist and do the simple math

[23:24:42]

Dagmar:

That's what computers are for

[23:24:45]

Dagmar:

Boring math things we don't want to do

[23:24:56]

Dagmar:

In a very fundamental way that's what they're for

[23:25:33]

Dagmar:

Agiofws; You can only do "minutely" events in crontab, but you can use at (it's cousin) to the second IIRC, or just use a stupid shell script that calls sleep for 30 seconds or something

[23:25:47]

Agiofws:

and what if i wantto chage the order of a commerical ?

[23:25:59]

Dagmar:

You just change the cron job and tell crond to reread it's configuration

[23:26:22]

Dagmar:

Another reason for avoiding playlists is that you're basically committed once you set a playlist up with mplayer

[23:26:38]

Agiofws:

committed ?

[23:26:55]

Dagmar:

As in there's no mechanised way you can change a playlist in mplayer once it's started.

[23:27:14]

Agiofws:

i think you can in xmms

[23:27:23]

Agiofws:

click and drag ?

[23:27:26]

Agiofws:

anyway

[23:27:32]

Agiofws:

so it goes like this

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Dagmar:

You don't want to be clicking and dragging into something that's BROADCASTING

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Agiofws:

i can click and drag stuff into the DB

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Dagmar:

If you slip up, you are BONED from that point

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Dagmar:

Well, you could code up something you could click and drag into

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Dagmar:

You can click and drag file uri's into firefox no problem

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Agiofws:

and cron picks it ub in the order i insert them and start aan mplayer for every instance of a MPG file

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Dagmar:

Something like that yes

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Agiofws:

in the mean time i have to claculate what time each MPG is goingto be playey

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Agiofws:

with some math and info retreived from .... from player ?

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Dagmar:

Yeah

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Agiofws:

ok i am no coder :(

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Dagmar:

Seriously tho. Getting the information about how long a file is using mplayer is *easy*

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Agiofws:

hmm

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Dagmar:

It even comes out as VARIABLENAME=nnnnn so it can be fed right into BASH even

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Agiofws:

maybe a bash script

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Dagmar:

I'd use perl

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Agiofws:

you would use the time variable aswell yess ?

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Agiofws:

like date or something

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Agiofws:

?

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

Perl has a time() function

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Dagmar:

...and all sorts of things for manipulating time

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Agiofws:

i think c has one

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Agiofws:

lol

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Dagmar:

Not quite as easily as in perl

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Agiofws:

the thing is that as i drag stugg into

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Agiofws:

the thing is that as i drag stuff into

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Agiofws:

the DB

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Dagmar:

You can't very easily say "var = 12:59pm + 35s" in C

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Agiofws:

it has to calculate the time

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Agiofws:

exit

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Dagmar:

Put it in /etc/modules.d/blacklist

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Dagmar:

wrong channel

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Dagmar:

You've never actually written any kind of daemon, have you

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Agiofws:

wait

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Agiofws:

no

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Agiofws:

i just dod some bash scripting some times

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Agiofws:

but its its not so hard to do a mathemtcal function

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Agiofws:

the thing is that when i click and drag into the DB

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Agiofws:

a window or a ncruses window must appear showin me the times that the MPGS are goingto be played

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Agiofws:

and

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Agiofws:

when i insret stuff into a db

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Agiofws:

how will cron KNOW when to play stuff ?

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Agiofws:

like

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Agiofws:

it doesnot have to know aboutthe length of the FILE

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Agiofws:

it can just KNOW

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Agiofws:

that when i file gets into

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Agiofws:

the DB it JUST will start anothet cron job

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Agiofws:

right ?

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Dagmar:

nononono

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Dagmar:

There's no "another" cron job in the sense of two things happening at teh same time

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Agiofws:

ok how does that work.

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Dagmar:

Provided you are not trying to change something that is playing _right now_ all that would be necessary would be to change the crontab, and then signal crond to re-read it

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Dagmar:

Like you'd change that second line I made up earlier to 0 1 * * * DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/mplayer /path/to/different.mpg

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JackEStorm:

UGH! udev is killing me

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Agiofws:

and then signal crond to re-read it ?

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

If you just call crontab like `crontab newcrontab` it'll take care of signaling crond

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Agiofws:

crontab -e [user] edit crontab for user ?

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Agiofws:

thats how i would edit ?

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Dagmar:

crontab is both a binary, and the name of the table cron uses to schedule jobs

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Dagmar:

That's how you'd EDIT but that would summon up vi

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Dagmar:

You would just write a file that will be the new crontab in any language you like, and then do `crontab newfilename` and it will simply replace the old crontab file

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Agiofws:

*/5 * * * * that says every 5mins right ?

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Dagmar:

yes

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Agiofws:

0 1 * * *

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Agiofws:

that means in the next minute ?

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Dagmar:

minute=0, hour=1

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NightMonkey:

Agiofws: Read "man 5 crontab".

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Dagmar:

The first five fields are basically just things to match the current time againse as far as crontab is concerned

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Dagmar:

# MIN HOUR DAY MONTH DAYOFWEEK COMMAND

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Agiofws:

so those numbgers will have to be variables extraxted form the legth of the MPGS ?

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Dagmar:

Agiofws; if you were just watching ##Slackware, `Abo is making you look like a rocket scientist

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Dagmar:

Agiofws: Something like that yeah

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Agiofws:

ok another variable there

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Agiofws:

so i will haveto script someone up to extract the length of the MPG and then instert it to the MIN HOUR variable of cron right ?

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Agiofws:

something*

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Dagmar:

Nio.

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Dagmar:

Why would cron care how long something is?

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Dagmar:

It just needs to know when to start the event

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Dagmar:

Mplayer gets done, exits, next cron job happens

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Agiofws:

so what does it need ?

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Dagmar:

This WILL require a little bit of gymnastics tho

[23:46:57]

Agiofws:

* * * * * ?

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Agiofws:

gymastics ?

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Agiofws:

i do gymastics

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Dagmar:

What happens when you start mplayer while another instance is running

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Dagmar:

Answer: Ugliness

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Agiofws:

they play simutainiesly

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Agiofws:

overlap

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Dagmar:

Yes, meaning you'll want to be very specific about the start times of things

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Agiofws:

so cron just needs to know how long the movie is so it will not when to start the next mplayer ?

[23:49:16]

Agiofws:

so cron just needs to know how long the movie is so it will KNOW when to start the next mplayer ?

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Agiofws:

or it can just check when the mplayer dies and starts a new instances of mplayer ?

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Dagmar:

No, your script will be told by you that a certain program starts at midnight and runs for say, 23 minutes. Your script should be very sure to schedule the NEXT program to start at 00:23

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Agiofws:

a NEW INSstance*

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Dagmar:

It doesn't need to check

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Dagmar:

You just need to avoid having two mplayers running at once

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Dagmar:

Up to a second of just black screen because nothing is playing should be plenty of margin

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Agiofws:

ok i think my first attempt is to learn how cron will fire up instances of MPGS in txt file in a seqence used by cron

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Agiofws:

say i have 10 mpgs

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Agiofws:

i have to make a script that reads the length of each file

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Agiofws:

and then starts a cron job

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Dagmar:

yes. Again perl would be easier than bash because bash's data structures suck like a polynesian pleasure girl

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Agiofws:

of each of them atthe exact time when each finishes right ?

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Agiofws:

lol

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Dagmar:

Such a conversion could be done in about 50 lines of perl

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Dagmar:

Okay, maybe 70

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Agiofws:

i though it would be less

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Dagmar:

It would fit on one sheet of college ruled paper, man

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Agiofws:

i have to make a script that reads the length of each file and then starts a cron job depending on the length of each file

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Agiofws:

ok

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Dagmar:

No, your script does not need to start a cron job

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Agiofws:

you know better

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Dagmar:

Your script just needs to be able to say "0 1 15 8 * /usr/bin/mplayer /path/to/file/to/play/at-one-am-tonight.mpg" and stick it into the crontab

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Agiofws:

yes but these numbers surely depend onthe the length of the previous file right ? "0 1 15 8 *

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Dagmar:

open(fh,'playlist.txt'); open (otherfh, '>newcrontabfile'); blah blah foreach item in @playlist { print otherfh "blahblahblah player blah\n"; }; close(fh); close(otherfh); system("crontab newcrontabfile");

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Dagmar:

NOT complex

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Agiofws:

Dagmar, have you worked at a tv station before ?

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Dagmar:

No, but I've worked at a radio station before, and like I said, I was looking into working at the community access station here

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Dagmar:

I can run a TV station, no problem

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Agiofws:

I was looking into working at the community access station here ?

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Dagmar:

I say through all that psycho's training

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Dagmar:

s/say/sat/;

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Agiofws:

so you are sure that they use many instances of a player to play ONAIR ?

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Dagmar:

He walked us through painstakingly explaining how to use a whole bunch of equipment we already knew how to use or owned better...

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