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Tuesday, August 14th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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jblack:

I'm starting to get nervous about the guide data.

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briand:

I'm pretty sure Scranton is included in the portion of the US & Canada that will be served by the newly-formed SchedulesDirect. Relax.

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jblack:

Nice try. :)

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jblack:

I'm nervous about the timing, as it's the 13th. Once things are set up, there's still the issue of getting new packages out.

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cesman:

jblack: relax

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cesman:

plenty of time

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jblack:

Yeah, 18 days. That's still enough days that in order to count it, I'd have to take off my shoes. ;D

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cesman:

unless zap2it stop providing data that is past Sept 1st, if you run mythfilldb on the 31st you should have guide data until the 13th of Sept

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jblack:

Oh? THen that's a whole month! ;D

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cesman:

NOTE:that is just my assumption...

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jblack:

For what it's worth, my expiration according to zap2it is the 24th of sept

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jroysdon:

What produces the mythtv menus? I've run a 'yum update' and now the menus don't show up...

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GreyFoxx:

What application are you running ?

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GreyFoxx:

Are you running "mythtv" or mythfrontend ?

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jroysdon:

mythfrontend, but same problem with mythtv-setup

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NightMonkey:

jroysdon: Just blank screen, or does it have theme elements but no text?

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jroysdon:

I only get the brief bar which counts up to 100% while prescaling (but the prescaling text isn't showing now), and during exit, I get the exit diaglogue configuration, but no other menus beside that.

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jroysdon:

theme colors, but no text, no icons/pictures...

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NightMonkey:

jroysdon: Do you have a mythfrontend log?

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jroysdon:

sure, I can get it

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NightMonkey:

jroysdon: I think that's a good first troubleshooting step.

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jroysdon:

hmm, what do I have to do to get it to produce it? I don't appear to have the file or know the location/name.

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laga:

start mythtv like "mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt"

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laga:

g'night

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jroysdon:

ok, trying that

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jroysdon:

ok, with that -O Themepainter=qt option, I can see the menus.

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NightMonkey:

jroysdon: In my fluxbox startup scripts, I run this: (export QT_XFT=1; sleep 2; /usr/bin/mythfrontend -l ~/mythfrontend.log &)

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jroysdon:

NightMonkey, how do I produce a frontend log?

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jroysdon:

okies, lemme try that

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NightMonkey:

jroysdon: So, however you run it, do the "-l ~/mythfrontend.log" part.

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jroysdon:

okies

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NightMonkey:

I just run that way all the time – no perceptible performance impact, and I save myself from too much hair pulling. ;)

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jroysdon:

ok, what is the default if not qt?

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jroysdon:

(so, something changed, and broke it, and/or my default is no longer qt, I guess). This log file is large.... I'll pastebin.ca it

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jroysdon:

http://pastebin.ca/656362

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jroysdon:

oh, I scared 'em off

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NightMonkey:

jroysdon: Hmm... looks like it wants to use OpenGL, but OpenGL + xorg isn't happy?

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NightMonkey:

jroysdon: Was QT part of your update?

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NightMonkey:

Hey, ops, just a suggestion, you might want to point the topic to http://ivtvdriver.org/, rather than "http://ivtv.sf.net".

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NightMonkey:

Sorry, not the topic, but the channel welcome message.

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jroysdon:

ok, so it was OpenGL which I had selected... I changed the default to qt now in the setup.

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NightMonkey:

jroysdon: Works now?

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jroysdon:

yup, all good now, no need for the -O ThemePainter option

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jroysdon:

thanks

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jroysdon:

(just a pain as I couldnt' get into setup to see anything to fix it, hehehe)

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jroysdon:

Is there a way to install more ... I don't know the term, but artwork that plays/changes when you play music?

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jroysdon:

How do you get the ParentalControls in the Video module to do anything?

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jams:

jroysdon- use the video manger to set the level for each video, then set the default parental level in the setup screens

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jams:

1 is the lowest 4 is the most restrictive

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jroysdon:

Hmm, ok, do you recall in which setup screen the default is set?

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jroysdon:

(yes, I have a video set at levels 2 and one at level 3, and two at level 1)

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NightMonkey:

jroysdon: re artwork: You mean visualizations? No, not that I know of.

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Anduin:

jroysdon: The General Setting screen, first page, easy to find.

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jroysdon:

Yes, visualizations.

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jroysdon:

Found the parental settings, thanks. I just didn't undestand it when I first set it up, I guess

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jroysdon:

I wish there was a way to apply parental settings to tv recordings.

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Anduin:

jroysdon: You can kida get there with filters, not enforced but depending on who you need to hide it from.

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jroysdon:

A way to tag certain series with certain levels by default, and then allow overriding them for some to re-label them higher or lower.

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jroysdon:

Can you set default filters? Yeah, from 7, 8, and 9 year olds

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jroysdon:

the 9 year old is a lil smart.

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Anduin:

jroysdon: You can set groups, and make the default view not show them.

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jroysdon:

Ah, is that a setup thing as well?

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jroysdon:

(I don't even mind it if I have to pre-approve shows before a group could watch it... but some shows are always ok... VeggieTales, etc.)

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Anduin:

jroysdon: there are also group passwords, so yeah, use that, hit M in watch recordings

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Anduin:

jroysdon: And you can assign groups in the recording rule.

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Fnc:

so with this new schedules direct that we have to pay for... are we going to have to upgrade myth? or will there be a patch?

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jroysdon:

probably just a new place to point it at

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Anduin:

You don't have to pay for it, you can find another way to get the data or schedule things manually.

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Fnc:

you have any recomendations for another way to get the data

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Fnc:

seems like theres about a week left til they cut it off

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jroysdon:

ah, I already have a bunch of group filters created for shows I have recorded

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Anduin:

Fnc: People have mentioned grabbers in various states can be found, apparently the gbpvr forums was one place.

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jroysdon:

I there a way to make a group/filter be the default that is seen?

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jroysdon:

(and what about disabling access to live tv?)

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Anduin:

jroysdon: Yes, and there is no way, short of editing XML to disable live TV

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Anduin:

(yet)

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jroysdon:

How about just removing the Watch LiveTV menu item?

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jroysdon:

(Is that a theme thing that could be hacked?)

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Anduin:

jroysdon: It can, mainmenu.xml

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Anduin:

jroysdon: Making a copy in ~/.mythtv/ will work

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keith4_:

what's a typical file size for an hour of SD recorded by myth?

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Anduin:

keith4_: It depends on the bitrate

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Anduin:

and codec

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egsavage:

I have been playing with the yahoo tv 2 xmltv app

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egsavage:

it seems the data output still needs some work for myth to work as-is

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egsavage:

i have been massaging the data via sql commands to see how much farther it needs to go to see if it's feasible for use

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Fnc:

egsavage: what are you haveing to change?

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egsavage:

seems like the times are wrong – i have to see how many hours they are off

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egsavage:

i also had to cleanup the channel table in the channum, freqid and finetune columns

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egsavage:

plus it seems the yahoo data is missing a bunch of columns that the datadirect feed has... how important those missing fields will be for me still remains to be seen

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askvictor:

Is mtd run on the frontend or backend?

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keith4_:

Anduin: well, I'm open to ideas. how about a range then?

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egsavage:

Fnc: are you trying it out too?

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egsavage:

We need some competition with multiple data feeds of ones that work well with myth

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Anduin:

keith4_: I forget what the default is, but figuring on 1–2GB/hr as something that you should be able to hit (assuming MPEG2)

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egsavage:

seems like the scheduledirect solution will still be the best for some $

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egsavage:

but I also like free ;-)

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keith4_:

Anduin: I'm currently at 2.1 G/hr, which seems high

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Fnc:

egsavage i saw something with the time and setting it -300

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egsavage:

what TZ are you in? I'm Eastern

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keith4_:

what are my choices besides mpeg2?

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Fnc:

central

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Anduin:

keith4_: Look at your bitrate, you are probably in the 5k-6k kbps

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egsavage:

Fnc: did you change a setup on myth to make those time changes or change the data from that yahoo app?

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Anduin:

keith4_: If you are using the ivtv cards, you don't have one, I only said it because rtjpeg would have been much worse.

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keith4_:

how about transcoding?

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Anduin:

keith4_: You can transcode to mpeg4 at a much lower bitrate and most people will not be bothered.

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Fnc:

egsavage check your msg

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egsavage:

Fnc: my msg?

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Fnc:

look up at the top for a private message

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egsavage:

i didn't get a private msg from you

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askvictor:

Is mtd run on the frontend or backend?

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Anduin:

askvictor: frontend

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fryfrog:

uh, i'm pretty sure mtd runs on the be

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Anduin:

I don't know, I think it may run on the frontend

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ARfdee:

does anyone use miro?

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ARfdee:

im just wondering what it is in comparison to mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

ard: miro is a video player, not from what I have read, apvr

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ARfdee:

k

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ARfdee:

thx sir

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keith4_:

bit rate is set... where?

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Anduin:

keith4_: recording profile

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clever[rev]:

what was port 6544 used for?

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Anduin:

clever[rev]: Used, for the backend status

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clever[rev]:

ahh the http interface?

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Anduin:

clever[rev]: http status page, point a web browser at it

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clever[rev]:

yeah i know of it

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clever[rev]:

i was connecting to it with my program(meant for 6543)

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clever[rev]:

the whole handshake is manual atm so nothing gets sent on connecting(but it still disconnected asap on its own):S

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clever[rev]:

:D managed to modify my program easily to handle multiple connections

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clever[rev]:

i can think of several race type bugs if both actualy do something at once but it can have 2 idle ones open:)

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keith4_:

okay i must be drunk. where are the recording profiles set up?

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clever[rev]:

under setup in the frontend i beleive

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clever[rev]:

setup->tvsetings-

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luke_:

I'm having a really hard time with this horizontal line scrolling up through my tv..

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Anduin:

Setup -> TV Settings – Recording Profiles

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luke_:

It's been happening since I swapped out my vga cable for a dvi-hdmi cable.

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luke_:

the cable is brand new... is there anything I can change in my xorg.conf that might resolve it, or is it certainly a bad cable?

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keith4_:

that doesn't make sense

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keith4_:

why can't i set global recording profiles

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keith4_:

in the backend

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luke_:

set it in the frontend

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scoff:

once i transcode a file to remove commercials, i cant make a dvd with proper audio/video sync... is this a known bug?

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Anduin:

keith4_: It changes the settings in the backend, it is just much easier to put it in the frontend vs. mythtv-setup

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scoff:

i couldnt find an answer in the archive

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keith4_:

yah, i suppose

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keith4_:

how about the web interface "settings"?

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luke_:

the line doesn't scroll constantly like with a ground loop...

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luke_:

it's more like every minute, it starts at the bottom and scrolls all the way up the screen.

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luke_:

I also tried both hdmi ports on my tv

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keith4_:

what is checking "auto transcode" suppoed to do?

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luke_:

transcode automatically...

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robbins876:

Anduin, you around man?

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Anduin:

robbins876: Yeah, but any lines with lirc in them my irc client is set to not show me :)

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keith4_:

and transcode automatically basically runs mythtranscode on the recorded program>

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keith4_:

?

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robbins876:

Anduin, are you for cereal?

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Anduin:

I'm pro bagel

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fuse_lt:

is anyone here using mythtv cvs?

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keith4_:

sounds dangerous

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clever[rev]:

im using mythtv svn

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fuse_lt:

clever[rev]: and?

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fuse_lt:

new features, faster, better? unstable?

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clever[rev]:

i dont thinkm theres a cvs version

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clever[rev]:

the onlymajor bug i have is also in 0.20 i beleive

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fuse_lt:

svn...cvs, its all the same

[03:04:34]

clever[rev]:

unfixed in any version

[03:04:39]

fuse_lt:

where is svn?

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clever[rev]:

svn.mythtv.org i think

[03:06:56]

fuse_lt:

which branch is it?

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Anduin:

fuse_lt: trunk

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fuse_lt:

clever[rev]: what is the bug?

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clever[rev]:

complex reactions between slave backends and mythweb

[03:10:43]

clever[rev]:

it probly wont happen at all if you dont have a slave backend or mythweb

[03:11:16]

clever[rev]:

once it ocurs one of the threads in the master backend gets stuck in a inf loop

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fuse_lt:

hm

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fuse_lt:

are you a coder?

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clever[rev]:

i know some coding

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fuse_lt:

c++?

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clever[rev]:

ive edited my copy to be more verbose about the problem to see what happens better

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fuse_lt:

coo;

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clever[rev]:

i made a c++/mysql irc bot from scratch before

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fuse_lt:

oops

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fuse_lt:

cool

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fuse_lt:

i was considering does some stuff for the ps3/mythtv

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Leebier:

anyone else have problems with people on #fedora refusing to be helpful once you mention ATrpms?

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Anduin:

Leebier: many people have issues with atrpms

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Leebier:

fair enough, but i was smart enough not to do a yum upgrade after setting it up, but i'm encountering unrelenting dickishness

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Leebier:

and feel the need to vent

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Anduin:

Anvil runs livna

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Leebier:

does it have all the mythtv/ivtv/lirc stuff necessary?

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Leebier:

i've been using Jarod's guide, who has always used ATrpms, so was unaware of livna

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Anduin:

Leebier: No, just mentioning is as he is often in #fedora (op)

[03:32:06]

Anduin:

someone said freshrpms had Myth, I haven't checked.

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Leebier:

ah, well, without carrying myth, other repos are fairly useless. that makes it rather frustrating when no one in #fedora will do anything other than link you to a warning about ATrpms when you have questions unrelated to it

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robbins876:

So no help with lirc, Anduin?

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Anduin:

robbins876: You never asked anything.

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keith4_:

debian 4 life

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Leebier:

keith- well, you stick aorund here and help me get my wireless, tv tuner, and lirc to run fine in debian and i'll consider switching :)

[03:34:51]

Anduin:

Leebier: Yeah, I was just letting you know one reason, other than actual trouble with atrpms, people in #fedora may have a different view.

[03:36:02]

Leebier:

well, before i sign off for the night, any ideas on why dhclient would not find an ip address when run in rc.local but has no problem at all when run from the command line?

[03:36:35]

fuse_lt:

i want cell rpms

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Anduin:

Leebier: Why are you running dhclient from rc.local? (No no idea)

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Leebier:

the wifi setup built into fedora/kde doesn't seem to be submitting my WEP key so it times out, however, i've discovered that if i run iwconfig and dhclient from the command line, it connects just fine

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Leebier:

as i don't intend to reboot often and am not that picky, i am happy to have them run as a script on startup, but they need to be su to run properly as best as i can tell, and rc.local is, as i understand it, the easiest way to run shell commands as su during boot, no?

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Anduin:

Leebier: You are including the full path to run dhclient (it is in /sbin)

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Leebier:

sure am

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Leebier:

dhclient runs, it jsut keeps retrying to find an ip address until it gives up

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Leebier:

i can then run the exact same script after i bring up a terminal and it connects fine (after killall dhclient)

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fuse_lt:

is anyone r unning mythtv on a ps3?

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scoff:

anybody do much with mytharchive?

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robbins876:

Anduin, well, i updated my kernel in Fedora 7, and of course, lirc no longer works

[03:43:50]

robbins876:

when i run irw lirc dies

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robbins876:

i can modprobe lirc_mceusb2 and it doesn't give me any errors or anything

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robbins876:

so i believe the driver is installed

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robbins876:

mainly, it's dying and i don't know why or how to fix it

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jams:

robbins876- do you have a /dev/lirc or /dev/lirc0 or /dev/lirc/0 ?

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jams:

and if so , which one

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robbins876:

jams, no i have neither

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robbins876:

i ran into that problem last night

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robbins876:

i forgot about that

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robbins876:

so no, i don't have the right module, correct?

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jams:

so you don't have either one of those 3?

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jams:

what does dmesg say?

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robbins876:

what do i need to do first?

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robbins876:

it mentions the driver (lirc_mceusb2)

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Aval0n:

in a lot of the screenshots I see a big digital clock on mythtv can that be toggled off?

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robbins876:

lirc_mceusb2: no version for "lirc_get_pdata" found: kernel tainted.

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robbins876:

http://pastebin.ca/656505

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robbins876:

Anyone?

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Aval0n:

sorry i'de help if I knew how :)

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jams:

robbins876- pastebin the results of ls -l /dev/lirc*

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robbins876:

there is something wrong with my internet connection now

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Anduin:

robbins876: From my logs of the last time we did this, you want lirc_mceusb (not the 2)

[04:00:38]

robbins876:

oh, that could be part of the problem, i guess

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Anduin:

robbins876: Yeah, unless you switch hardware you have a 045e:006d device (lirc_mceusb)

[04:05:02]

Aval0n:

anyone know the difference between a logitech 520 and a 550

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robbins876:

newer versions

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robbins876:

the software on teh 550 is a little different and it's got 4 different buttons on the bottom

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jams:

thank you Anduin that could have been taken a while.

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robbins876:

otherwise, they're the same

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Aval0n:

does the 520 glow blue or orange?

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Anduin:

jams: It did, the first few times we did it :)

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robbins876:

hooray! I basically fixed it myself!

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robbins876:

Aren't you proud, Anduin?

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Aval0n:

I'm proud of you :)

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Aval0n:

do you know if the 520 glows blue too or orange?

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Anduin:

robbins876: Only if you kept notes this time :)

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robbins876:

the 520 is blue

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Aval0n:

nice....

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Aval0n:

I should snag one for my mythtv setup

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robbins876:

I have it and love it

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robbins876:

went to it from the sony rm-3000

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Aval0n:

a 520 or 550?

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robbins876:

and there's no turning back

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robbins876:

520

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Aval0n:

nice

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Aval0n:

you use it with mythtv?

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robbins876:

i actually don't have a reciever in my livingroom, just use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse

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robbins876:

so no

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Aval0n:

ahh

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Aval0n:

but it should work

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robbins876:

Aval0n, I don't know why it wouldn't

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Aval0n:

I have 2 ir recievers one of them are bound to work

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Aval0n:

tyhnx man gotta bounce..

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robbins876:

Anduin, do i have to do anything special to get that driver to load on boot?

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robbins876:

or should it be the same from the lsat time i installed these drivers?

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Anduin:

robbins876: However you were doing it before should work

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robbins88:

alright, thanks again man

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robbins88:

i'm so pumped i got it up myself

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robbins88:

that sounds wrong

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robbins88:

Anyone here familiar with VIA Epia m10000?

[04:16:36]

robbins88:

i don't think i have the best video drivers in this box

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robbins88:

the menus in myth are crazy slow

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robbins88:

might have something to do with CPU power, but i think video drivers aren't helping

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Aval0n:

is an 850mhz p3 machine enough to watch streaming analog recordings as a remote front end?

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robbins88:

is there anyway to cache the posters directory for mythvideo on a dedicated frontend?

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Anduin:

Aval0n: It should be

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Aval0n:

cool

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Anduin:

robbins88: Not automatically

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Aval0n:

ahh damn but it doesn't have tv out

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Aval0n:

it's a compaq deskpro

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Aval0n:

would have been sweet because it's small

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Aval0n:

ahh well

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defaultro:

hey folks, if I want to play 2 HD 1080 at the same time, what AMD CPU should I buy?

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Anduin:

Aval0n: A cheap nvidia card could fix that.

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robbins88:

Anduin, how about manually? how do i do that?

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Aval0n:

anudin

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Aval0n:

I eidh

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Aval0n:

wish*

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Aval0n:

it's a compaq deskpro

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Aval0n:

SFF proprietary garbage

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fuse_lt:

there is abuild error with current svn

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Aval0n:

is wireless G fast enough for a frontend?

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robbins88:

fix it, man

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robbins88:

should be

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Aval0n:

really?

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Aval0n:

would sure beat running cat5 cables through my house

[04:50:26]

Aval0n:

[04:50:32]

Aval0n:

http://www.compuplus.com/i-Hauppauge-1016-Med . . . ja53zghg7a4s

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Aval0n:

this is saying it plays divx?

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Aval0n:

I thought you had to rely on a backend to transcode it for an mediamvp?

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tcpsyn:

Now, I've noticed that the horizontal line that scrolls up the screen only happens during playback. Not if I'm just looking at the myth menu

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tcpsyn:

I've tried different interlacings and different playback engines.

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tcpsyn:

what could it be?

[05:01:15]

tcpsyn:

it only happens with moving pictures too.

[05:01:37]

tcpsyn:

like if I throw a dvd in, the dvd menu is fine

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tcpsyn:

once I start watching... every 60 seconds or so the line takes its sweet ass time and pisses me off

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defaultro:

tcpsyn, your handle is familiar to me

[05:02:27]

defaultro:

were you on efnet or #freebsd? I couldn't remember

[05:02:33]

tcpsyn:

dalnet in #linuxpeople

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tcpsyn:

never efnet

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defaultro:

does my handle ring a bell

[05:02:59]

tcpsyn:

nope

[05:03:06]

tcpsyn:

maybe theres an imposter

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defaultro:

maybe, a different tcpsyn

[05:03:19]

defaultro:

i remember, he used it 1997

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tcpsyn:

sounds about right

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defaultro:

when did you use tcpsyn?

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tcpsyn:

but back then, I was only in #linuxpeople on dalnet.

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tcpsyn:

probably 95-present

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defaultro:

i'm not familiar with #linuxpeople

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tcpsyn:

different guy then.

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defaultro:

yep

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defaultro:

it's ok

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defaultro:

continue now :)

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tcpsyn:

well, it's just I got a scrolling horizontal line, like a ground loop.. but it only happens with my dvi-hdmi cable, and only when watching moving video

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defaultro:

dunno

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defaultro:

maybe interlacing

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tcpsyn:

I tried different interlacing methods...

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tcpsyn:

could it be my xorg.conf?

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defaultro:

hey folks, is it ok to install QT4? Iremember, mythtv have problems with this version. I remember, I installed QT33

[05:12:12]

askvictor:

I have a problem with the program guide – it seems to be getting the data, but I can only get to it in program finder – the program guide is empty. any ideas?

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defaultro:

I'll just go with QT33

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defaultro:

anyone, configure can't find my installed lirc even when I speficy --enable-lirc

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Dagmar:

defaultro: Dude, just use some distro's binaries if you're not familiar with building things from source.

[05:49:44]

Dagmar:

This is NOT a winning scenario, nor is MythTV anything like a program you should be trying to "cut your teeth" on.

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defaultro:

it's already built

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Dagmar:

Ah good then you don't have any problem linking lirc.

[05:50:10]

defaultro:

i have been doing this many times but wondering why it's failing ttoday

[05:50:28]

defaultro:

I couldn't remember what I did about a year ago

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Dagmar:

So why are you asking us?

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Dagmar:

You're the one with the debug information

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defaultro:

--enable-lirc doesn't change it to ye

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

let me see devel

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defaultro:

I also remember when I last compiled mythtv, it said Native

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defaultro:

I think I see the problem now

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defaultro:

I'm going to recompile lirc

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tcpsyn:

what you trying to do?

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tcpsyn:

does irw work?

[05:54:14]

defaultro:

compiling mythtv with lirc support

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defaultro:

i think i saw th eproblem

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defaultro:

BAM! lirc support yes

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defaultro:

I deleted --prefix

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

now, I have to figure out why firewire is saying no also

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fuse_lt:

has anyone gotten festival support to build correctly with mythtv?

[06:02:44]

Dagmar:

yep

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fuse_lt:

did you have any issues getting it to build correctly?

[06:03:10]

Dagmar:

Don't remember

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fuse_lt:

hm

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defaultro:

finally, this is what I misesd, libavc1394-devel. It's ok now

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defaultro:

is this supported in mythtv, http://www.hauppage.com/pages/products/data_hvr950.html

[06:08:24]

defaultro:

it's nice because it doesn't take up too much space

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defaultro:

oh, it works in linux – http://lunapark6.com/usb-hdtv-tuner-stick-for . . . hvr-950.html this means that it can work with mythtv then

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tcpsyn:

I went with the pchdtv-5500.. just because it's well tested in linux

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defaultro:

ok

[06:11:30]

defaultro:

i'm thinking of selling my Air2PC

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defaultro:

I don't have an antenna anymore

[06:12:03]

defaultro:

I'll keep my Dvico Fusion HDTV 5 lite

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defaultro:

is that a dual tuner?

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defaultro:

does it have QAM-256 support/

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defaultro:

?

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defaultro:

I'm hoping that someone will still buy my air2pc even for $15

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Tanthrix:

There's only one way to go: The A180 or Kworld equivilent – all the features of the pchdtv-5500 but like half the price

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defaultro:

wow

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defaultro:

and they are well supported?

[06:16:45]

defaultro:

what is A180? Is it AverMedia?

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Tanthrix:

From what I understand, yes. I know mine works perfectly, and it only took about 1 changed config line to make it work

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defaultro:

tell me please the exact models

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Tanthrix:

Aye.

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defaultro:

that is cool

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Tanthrix:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815100021

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defaultro:

ok

[06:18:15]

Tanthrix:

Does QAM in linux, despite it not being listed in the specs

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Tanthrix:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/AVerTV_HD_A180

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defaultro:

very cool

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defaultro:

what are the RCAs for? is it for output?

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mchou:

$80, what a rip

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defaultro:

hey mchou, how is your avermedia?

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defaultro:

long time no hear buddy

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defaultro:

my machine crashed

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mchou:

I dont have an avermedia

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mchou:

defaultro: what else is new? :)

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defaultro:

i thought you bought one before

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Tanthrix:

defaultro: It has an analog framegrabber as well as the atsc/qam tuner – not worth using

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mchou:

defaultro: nope. I was thinking of buying one

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

that's been more than a year :P

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Tanthrix:

defaultro: And you can find it cheaper if you look around, seem some really cheap on tigerdirect before

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defaultro:

we have tigerdirect hear about 50 miles

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Tanthrix:

Gotta run, later.

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defaultro:

but that's only one capture tuner right?

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defaultro:

aight

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defaultro:

i'm going to sell my Air2PC soon in ebay

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mchou:

defaultro: which rev?

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defaultro:

2

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tcpsyn:

is there a way to tell what flags myth was compiled with?

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defaultro:

it works well in my antenna in my previous house

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mchou:

defaultro: bah

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defaultro:

i don't want to put a new hole in my new house

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defaultro:

it uses nxt2002 module

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defaultro:

tcpsyn, flags?

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defaultro:

if air2pc was sensitive in QAM, I will keep it

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defaultro:

but it isnt

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tcpsyn:

yeah, I want to see if my frontend was compiled with --enable-proc-opt

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mchou:

no qam makes any HDTV card virtually worthless

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ServerSage:

tcpsyn: Chances are, unless you compiled it yourself, or are using Gentoo, it wasn't.

[06:24:24]

tcpsyn:

I did compile it myself, I just don't remember

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defaultro:

yep, that is true

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ServerSage:

tcpsyn: Should be a config.status or something in the source directory.

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defaultro:

tcpsyn, look at config.log

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defaultro:

mchou, which card are you thinking of buying?

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mchou:

defaultro: none atm

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defaultro:

k

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mchou:

thinking of going with STB for now

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defaultro:

i remember you told me that before, more savings and less headache

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mchou:

yup, especially with zap2it bullshit now

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defaultro:

yeah, I don't know when the new site will become available

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defaultro:

and I guess with proprietary stb/pvrs, you can record even encrypted ones

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tcpsyn:

oh, cool, it was

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tcpsyn:

thanks.

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mchou:

at $5/mo for just listings, I have a real hard time justifying myth compared to STBs

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defaultro:

k

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mchou:

especially considering I only use 1 pvr

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mchou:

I mean I can understand if ppl had more than 1 pvr $5 might make more sense

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tcpsyn:

I can't speak for all of them, but myth is a lot nicer than comcasts dvr

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defaultro:

i think myth becomes practical/useful if one doesn't subscribe to comcast and just use regular antenna

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mchou:

for listings

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defaultro:

hey, nice seeing you, I'm so tired now. It's 1:30 here. Mythtv is still compiling

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defaultro:

I'm going to hit the bed soon

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mchou:

defaultro: later

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defaultro:

aight buddy

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tcpsyn:

this weekend sucked.

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tcpsyn:

I did a memory upgrade.

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mchou:

lol

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tcpsyn:

A simple goddamn memory upgrade in the server room.

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tcpsyn:

on a production box...

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tcpsyn:

that happened to have another production box sitting on top of it.

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tcpsyn:

Not racked above it... sitting on top of it in the rack.

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tcpsyn:

so I had to lift the live box and pull the other out.

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mchou:

you took it out?

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mchou:

lol

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tcpsyn:

So after I put the memory in.. I told the dba's it was all set.

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tcpsyn:

and they logged on, rebooted it, and it didn't come back up.

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tcpsyn:

So I'm like... what the fuck... I threw a monitor on it... and no signal..

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tcpsyn:

So I cold booted it.. and it came back up.

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tcpsyn:

and just for fun, I went to my desk, gave it a reboot and... what the hell.. same thing.

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tcpsyn:

Reseated the ram, replaced the system board, swapped the CPUs, replaced the voltage regulator...

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tcpsyn:

damn thing just wouldn't warm reboot.

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mchou:

voltage regulator?

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mchou:

on the mobo?

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tcpsyn:

for the power supplies, yeah, the hp servers have a voltage regulator, it's a seperate part.. since theirs dual cpus.

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tcpsyn:

and 24 hours later... after we replaced just about everything, we replaced the pci riser card.

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tcpsyn:

The god damn riser was broken because some retard slapped a 100lb sun server ontop of a little 2u hp server.

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Dagmar:

lol

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mchou:

haha!!

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tcpsyn:

so when HP slid the box back into the rack.....

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tcpsyn:

mashed a whole fiber patch pannel.

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tcpsyn:

A MEMORY UPGRADE

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mchou:

no, I think it's clear you mashed it

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Dagmar:

heh

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tcpsyn:

I probably did.

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mchou:

tcpsyn: cant blame the dude who put the server on top

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tcpsyn:

But, I didn't throw an unracked server high enough to possibly touch a patch panel.

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tcpsyn:

so I was on the phone with my boss, my bosses bosses boss, a problem manager, dba's... it was a god damn nightmare

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tcpsyn:

for a memory upgrade.

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tcpsyn:

But just imagine, a fortune 500 company data center..

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Dagmar:

Dude, I've seen worse.

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Dagmar:

I've seen wet pipe.

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tcpsyn:

with three guys holding up a live production server, and one sliding out the one below it.

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Dagmar:

...as in wet pipe sprinklers in a datacenter.

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tcpsyn:

ahahahahaha

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tcpsyn:

I slept there saturday night.

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Dagmar:

I've seen an entire rack of fiber done up by an obsessive compulsive who had no knowledge of "bend radius"

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tcpsyn:

I slept in the goddamn office.

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Dagmar:

90-degree angles, all over the thing.

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tcpsyn:

ahahahaha.

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tcpsyn:

classic

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Dagmar:

It made a consultant we had come through the facility for somethign else cry.

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tcpsyn:

well, I was the big asshole of the month.

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Dagmar:

Just because it's a Fortune 500 company doesn't mean they're not complete morons.

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tcpsyn:

Wouldn't be suprised if I get fired on friday.

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tcpsyn:

over a memory upgrade.

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Dagmar:

tcpsyn: Go for broke. Name your Windows machine any of the following, reboot, and then watch the NIC go supernova: "proxy", "ns1", "wpad".

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tcpsyn:

whats wpad?

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Dagmar:

Something completely magical, like the filling inside a twinkie, but wholesome

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Dagmar:

It's a hostname MSIE always pulls up to look for a file which is read with no kind of security involved, that tells it what to use for a proxy.

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Dagmar:

So, since no one ever bothers to actually lock these hostnames down on a windows network, the odds are you can seriously break everything just by taking that hostname and joining the domain/workgroup.

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Dagmar:

Like, let's say for instance, you're at arthurandersen.com, and the machines on the coporate LAN are using proxy.arthurandersen.com to get to the internet

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Dagmar:

You'd THINK that you couldn't take the name "proxy" and stick it on your machine, and have the WINS server propagate it out

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Dagmar:

...but no.

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Dagmar:

Generally youc an.

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Dagmar:

This results in the internet "going away" for whatever scope of the company your WINS group reaches

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tcpsyn:

heh

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tcpsyn:

nice

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tcpsyn:

all our shits static though.

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tcpsyn:

but still, that's a fun trick.

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Dagmar:

I learned NOT to just try really stupid things when I was working as an internal security engineer at a big 5 firm

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Dagmar:

...beccause invariably, they worked.

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Dagmar:

You have windows.

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Dagmar:

You'd be amazed at what stupid things go on with a windows network, just because no one's been crazy enough to try something really, mind-bogglingly stupif.

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Dagmar:

s/stupif/stupid/;

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Dagmar:

The bigger the network, the more likely something horrifyingly stupid is just waiting to happen for someone who looks hard.

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tcpsyn:

like using opsware instead of active directory

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tcpsyn:

incredibly stupid

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Aval0n:

can anyone recommend a good windows app for QAM?

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juski:

Aval0n: good, windows? bwahahahahaha

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juski:

the whole reason I'm using mythtv is that there are no good windows apps

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juski:

maybe GBPVR. possibly MediaPortal.. but I've tried both of them & found them lacking in working-ness

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juski:

robbins88: about the epia. I've been saying to people not to do those boards for a while now. nobody listens, as usual. You need to use the 'via' driver in Xorg though. on my machine the menus are nice & fast in opengl and qt because I'm using the right driver

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robbins876:

juski, you still there?

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juski:

sort of

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juski:

opengl on the epia boards isn't as fast as with nvidia cards, but you should find it's more than adequate for mythtv's opengl menus. If the menus themselves are slow, that's more than likely due to your box being low on ram. Then again, my frontend has 512MB which isn't quite enough for blootube-wide (even at 720x576) meaning that going into some plugin setup menus can result in crashes (no swap, see). It's likely much

[08:05:30]

juski:

it's also pretty important to enable AGPDMA in xorg.conf IIRC

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robbins876:

how do enable that

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robbins876:

?

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Dagmar:

juski: png files, or jpg?

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juski:

Dagmar: doesn't make any difference what size the image source files are. they all get scaled & cached in ram anyway

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Dagmar:

Ah but...

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juski:

I tend to go with png all the time since it doesn't mung the images with blocky crap

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juski:

but nothing

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Dagmar:

Blur parts of the image where you need less details

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juski:

screw that

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Dagmar:

It'll mean fewer details for png to track, and less massiveness of the file

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juski:

Dagmar: it won't make any difference when the images are loaded into ram

[08:08:19]

Dagmar:

bummmer

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juski:

myth doesn't use any kind of compression

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robbins876:

juski, project grayhem is crazy slow on my dedicated box

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juski:

I don't think I'd want it to either

[08:08:36]

LoneShadow:

As anyone thought of integrating a speech recognition system with mythtv ?

[08:08:40]

Dagmar:

I still think they need to switch that to drawing the menus on the fly

[08:08:42]

juski:

robbins876: boo hoo

[08:08:52]

robbins876:

just thought you'd like some input, man

[08:08:57]

juski:

Dagmar: with opengl you could load & scale on the fly

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Dagmar:

Lord knows if the machine is fast enough to encode video, it's fast enough to draw some menus

[08:09:12]

juski:

robbins876: it might have escaped your attention but I'm now out of the theme game. totally

[08:09:31]

juski:

anything I do now will be for myself and myself only

[08:09:34]

robbins876:

good news for the community

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juski:

you try maintaining 8 themes & stay motivated

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LoneShadow:

I wonder how many years before I can command my TV box by voice to pick channels/videos

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juski:

I've done way too much & I think I've just reached a burnout point

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robbins876:

i'm just saying that you've got kind of an elitist bitch attitude sometimes

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juski:

robbins876: so what?

[08:10:55]

robbins876:

so what? it's not flattering

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Dagmar:

BTW, I finally broke down and got a flat panel for my devel box

[08:11:36]

Dagmar:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 177112467150

[08:11:37]

juski:

well, maybe if this 'community' treated the people who work for it a little better

[08:11:46]

Dagmar:

...so now I really do get to redo the LCARS theme

[08:12:01]

LoneShadow:

http://www.physorg.com/news97575605.html

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juski:

it's like "thanks for all your effort, but no thanks"

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robbins876:

well, aside from literally fellating you, i have done a pretty good job of being considerate and outwardly thankful to you directly

[08:12:41]

juski:

if that's "just the nature of open source" then I'm not best suited

[08:13:07]

juski:

and if anybody who has donated on account of the themes wants a refund, just ask

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robbins876:

even as far as bragging to my less technical buddies about talking to the "creator of this theme"

[08:14:18]

robbins876:

so i guess i don't understand what kind of thanks you really expect to get

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juski:

even on machines short of ram, the basic menu operation of all the themes I've done should not be dog slow. maybe entering some plugin setup menus, but they've always been a bit less than quick anyway

[08:15:04]

Dagmar:

robbins88: I don't think it's thanks so much as a lack of the retarded bullshit from the newbs who come in here

[08:15:57]

robbins876:

anyone that matters in this community, not including myself in that as i don't contribute much, understands who juski is and what he does. those people matter.

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juski:

anyway this is it this time. the burden of maintaining eight themes and trying to help the helpless.. screw it. it's not worth the grey hair anymore

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Dagmar:

robbins88: The lamers *really* get to juski

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robbins876:

i mean, i am a lamer, so i know that i get on juskis nerves, as i've seen it happen before

[08:17:20]

AndyCap:

juski: btw, there are excellent dyes for that these days.

[08:17:20]

juski:

if I ever manage to give up IRC completely I think the situation will resolve itself

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robbins876:

however, i am trying to learn not only myth, but linux simultaneously

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Dagmar:

I dont' get bothered by it so much because I know, way deep down, that if someone is a jerk to me, and I really get hurt by it, I can go take them the f**k offline

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skx:

New user--quick and stupid question--I'm hearing both the live and delayed audio while running mythtv. When I go into alsamixer and drop the level of the offending channel, it ruins the capture channel as well. Suggestions?

[08:18:00]

robbins876:

uh oh...

[08:18:04]

Dagmar:

robbins88: yeah, but I've never seen you curse and swear at someone for suggesting that you look at a man page

[08:18:06]

skx:

<ducks>

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floppyears:

ok, so it looks like I ordered the wrong card as recommended by some folks in this channel :( . I ordered a nvidia fx5200

[08:18:26]

Dagmar:

skx: Have you looked at the installation guide?

[08:18:44]

Dagmar:

skx: It discusses, specifically how to configure things for your framegrabber correctly.

[08:18:58]

Dagmar:

floppyears: How is that not nearly perfect?

[08:19:00]

floppyears:

could you guys help me find, the cheapest nvidia card that will work with this mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128034

[08:19:07]

skx:

Alright. The Knoppmyth guide or the MythTV.org guide?

[08:19:16]

Dagmar:

skx: The mythTV.org guide

[08:19:19]

AndyCap:

skx: digital sound or a loopback cable?

[08:19:23]

floppyears:

Dagmar: the motherboard that I posted when I asked the question doesn't support agp :(

[08:19:34]

floppyears:

I didn't even double check it because so many people said to go with that card :(

[08:19:37]

Dagmar:

Ouch. You have a problem then

[08:19:50]

Dagmar:

Yeah, well, they make plain PCI versions of the 5200

[08:20:05]

skx:

Loopback cable. I've read that MythTV wants Line-In, but the card has a 4-pin out for a CD-style motherboard connector.

[08:20:21]

skx:

So I'm running into the CD in on the motherboard.

[08:20:24]

juski:

skx: line or CD in. depends what your soundcard supports

[08:20:26]

AndyCap:

umm, doesn't that motherboard already have an nvidia card...

[08:20:45]

Dagmar:

So, by not following the instructions to the letter, you need to be capable of correctly realzing how you have to alter what you doe

[08:21:06]

Dagmar:

AndyCap: Looks it to me

[08:21:14]

skx:

Got it. Looks like MythTV guide section 7.2.

[08:21:22]

Dagmar:

floppyears: He's got a point. That board probably has a 6150 or similar built into it

[08:21:27]

floppyears:

AndyCap: yes, but no tv out :(

[08:21:32]

Dagmar:

Ah...

[08:21:43]

floppyears:

that board has a vga cable

[08:21:49]

floppyears:

I mean a vga port

[08:21:53]

Dagmar:

Yeah

[08:22:17]

Dagmar:

I see what you mean now, I forgot about s-video, even though I use it.

[08:22:22]

Dagmar:

Gimme a sec to poke at NewEgg

[08:22:24]

AndyCap:

you could hack together a VGA -> Scart cable if you feel like it.

[08:22:29]

floppyears:

thanks Dagmar

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floppyears:

AndyCap: but I had heard that it's best to get an nvidia card with tv out isn't that correct ?

[08:23:06]

Dagmar:

floppyears: Depends on what your display device is

[08:23:08]

juski:

anyway, it's a moot point. the few have ended up spoiling things for the many yet again. try as I might I can't turn it all off. It's one thing keeping your own work up to date when you no longer even use it – something else entirely when it's for a community who as a whole tend to keep quiet when you're being abused by the resident troll, and when people can't even take the simplest of suggestions or be bothered to say

[08:23:33]

AndyCap:

to say...

[08:23:51]

Dagmar:

floppyears: If you're using s-video, this should actually do you really well http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127273

[08:23:59]

Dagmar:

$31 for a 7300

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floppyears:

awesome thanks Dagmar

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Dagmar:

NewEgg's search functions rock

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skx:

Okay. Sucking at life again-- "amixer set Capture,0 100%,100% captur" fails: "amixer: Unable to find simple control "Capture",0

[08:26:08]

Dagmar:

Run alsamixer instead

[08:26:25]

floppyears:

so should I go with that newegg card or with a vga-to-svido adapter and just use the onboard video card ?

[08:26:31]

Dagmar:

You're 'assuming' that you know what card ID that has

[08:26:35]

Dagmar:

Clearly, that's not correct

[08:26:35]

floppyears:

my display device is a regular sd tv

[08:26:59]

Dagmar:

floppyears: Dunno. Does the VGA->svideo adapter suck?

[08:27:06]

robbins876:

what the f is his problem?

[08:27:10]

Dagmar:

I've used some that did

[08:27:12]

AndyCap:

floppyears: vga to svideo isn't a good solution no.

[08:27:15]

Dagmar:

robbins88: Whose?

[08:27:24]

floppyears:

thanks guys

[08:27:42]

AndyCap:

vga – rgb is ok. but if you only have svideo and composite you're out of luck... :)

[08:28:10]

robbins876:

Dagmar, juski's

[08:28:36]

Dagmar:

robbins876: Did you ever see Lilo's guidelines for _helpers_ page?

[08:28:38]

skx:

Rolling. Thanks!

[08:29:02]

Dagmar:

robbins876: There's a LOT of newbies who are complete and total assholes to people telling them the truth

[08:29:20]

robbins876:

Dagmar, no, i've not seen that page

[08:29:31]

floppyears:

I've decided to connect my mythtv box to a newer tv

[08:29:45]

floppyears:

AndyCap: Dagmar , here's a link to it: http://www.jvc.ca/en/consumer/product-detail.asp?model=AV-27WF36

[08:29:49]

Dagmar:

...basically, since they don't like the answer, they'll literally turn around and verbally abuse the person who gave them the answer, or insult them by continuing to ask other people the same stupid question for hours on end, or otherwise by a massive knobgoblin

[08:29:58]

skx:

While I'm here... any way to change the god-awful Monospaced font on the onscreen display?

[08:29:58]

floppyears:

it has several inputs

[08:30:00]

Dagmar:

THese people pretty much burn out helpers by the dozens.

[08:30:20]

robbins876:

man, that's stupid. i love when a person is willing to help

[08:30:36]

robbins876:

Anduin has been the largest help i have ever recieved from a stranger...real life or otherwise

[08:30:45]

Anduin:

shhh

[08:31:08]

Dagmar:

Lilo put up a page of guidelines for people on Freenode to try to avoid burning them out, particularly the idea that "you can't help everybody"

[08:31:42]

Dagmar:

I don't think juski ever really got the "ignore problems once you start feeling a little irked" thing

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robbins876:

probably wouldn't have said such a border-line gay thing had i known you were around

[08:32:13]

Dagmar:

S'why I sit here and just ignore newbies rather frequently,

[08:32:23]

skx:

Because you can.

[08:32:33]

Anduin:

robbins876: It beeps when someone types my name, if I'm around I look to see.

[08:32:41]

Dagmar:

...because I know when I'm thinking I'd really rather just kick them in the nuts than listen to one more question, that it's time for me to back off

[08:32:43]

floppyears:

AndyCap: so with the inputs of that tv, is it still better to go with a card that has s-video rather than using some sort of vga adapter ?

[08:32:57]

Anduin:

robbins876: They key is just to typo my name.

[08:33:17]

Dagmar:

skx: The monospaced font is probably part of the theme you're using. Chaneg themes

[08:33:57]

Anduin:

or bad font substitution

[08:34:15]

Anduin:

some themes expect fonts there is almost no chance of you having

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AndyCap:

floppyears: doesn't seem to have scart so yes, you probably need svideo. you're up way past bedtime btw.

[08:34:41]

floppyears:

cool thanks

[08:34:45]

robbins876:

Anduin, i'll keep that in mind for next time

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AndyCap:

unless there's a way to have a pc output component

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Dagmar:

Ah, here we go: http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml

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Dagmar:

"Don't be caught by support burnout." is a pretty large chunk.

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Dagmar:

Particularly, "You can't answer every question, and you shouldn't try."

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Dagmar:

...cuz trying to do that will pretty much kill you.

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skx:

G.A.N.T, mythcenter, blootube... well... all of them seem to have a monospaced 'courier' style font for the 'Watch TV' onscreen display. Maybe everyone likes it but me. =)

[08:38:03]

Dagmar:

...and the wear and tear is worse on the people who know the most, becuase frankly, we *could* sit here and field every single damn question these people come up with

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robbins876:

I wish I could help more

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Anduin:

skx: That is bad font substitution

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Dagmar:

skx: Okay, so that's a sure sign that fonts are fried. You should proabably ask the people who put together that distro about that

[08:38:38]

robbins876:

but i'm only about 14 months sober from windows

[08:38:49]

skx:

Awesome. God bless the knoppmyth folks!!

[08:38:50]

robbins876:

been clean for over a year and feel good about it...

[08:39:09]

Dagmar:

skx: Like, if it's Knoppix, then you should go ask someone in #knoppix. They'll be most likely to know what are the most common things that can go wrong with that

[08:39:44]

skx:

Any better all-in-one distros? This was fairly painless to set up ('cept the audio mixer thing... I'm just an idiot there)

[08:39:47]

Dagmar:

robbins876: Particularly, I've seen people really chew juski out over what I just did there, simply referring someone to another channel for a problem that is clearly distro-specific

[08:40:21]

robbins876:

i have no problem with juski other than he's the burnt out computer guy... you know from SNL... "MOVE!"

[08:40:23]

Dagmar:

skx: There's mythdora and Ubuntu has a (or so I'm told) fairly solid set of packages for MythTV in their testsing tree

[08:40:27]

robbins876:

your company's computer guy

[08:40:54]

Dagmar:

robbins876: Yep, well, support burnout

[08:41:09]

Dagmar:

I'm familiar with it because my main focus is pretty much THE masochists special.

[08:41:18]

Dagmar:

i.e., IT security.

[08:41:34]

Dagmar:

No one, and I mean literally NO ONE in the business world actually wants security.

[08:41:49]

robbins876:

i did computer science for a semester and realized there's not a whole lot of creativity in it, and i'm very left brained, so i switched to education

[08:41:56]

Dagmar:

They want easy, and security is nice when it's easy, but it's seldom easy from stsart to finish

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AndyCap:

Dagmar: meh, question is does fixing this cost more money than we risk by not fixing it

[08:42:39]

Dagmar:

So like, there's only so many times you can tell people "implement tcp_wrappers" or "set a default deny policy in your firewall" before you really just want to stab people in the face, or cry.

[08:43:08]

robbins876:

Dagmar, i'm sure your paycheck helps...while you dry your tears with hundred dollar bills

[08:43:25]

Dagmar:

I started feeling better about it when I just adopted a policy of "I'm charging you $300 an hour, or I'll do it for free. There is no in-between space and the $300/hour would be just because I don't like you anymore."

[08:43:41]

Dagmar:

If I don't like the job itself, it goes higher.

[08:43:50]

skx:

Hahahahaha. Amen to that.

[08:44:31]

Dagmar:

I still feel kinda bad about charging companies $300+ to consult, but screw it. It took huge amounts of my time to learn all this.

[08:44:44]

Dagmar:

...at $300/hour, I'm damn cheap.

[08:44:49]

robbins876:

for sheezy...i'll make about $300/day teaching

[08:44:52]

robbins876:

no, no i wont'

[08:45:05]

skx:

They can always find someone else. And when they can't, there you are.

[08:45:25]

Dagmar:

skx: Usually them thinking that someone else is as good as me is the entire reason they're needing me in the first place.

[08:45:37]

Dagmar:

There's lots of clueless people working in IT security space.

[08:45:45]

skx:

Gee. No kidding. =)

[08:45:47]

Dagmar:

I'm not a god, but I'm far, far from clueless.

[08:46:04]

Dagmar:

Certain phrases still set me off, tho', like "stealth firewall"

[08:46:12]

skx:

You could just say There's lots of clueless people fumbling (wouldn't call it 'working') in IT

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robbins876:

I know how to set up kerio personal firewall...

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Dagmar:

I've done audits on places where I've had to tell them I know 14 year old kids who if they were allowed to enter the building with a wireless card, could compromise their core stuff in under ten minutes

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robbins876:

I'm not a god, but far from clueless...

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Dagmar:

I had an admin at a big five accounting firm tell me "Then do it." in response to that

[08:48:10]

Dagmar:

er in response to specifically, me saying I could delete the accounting and payroll system in about five minutes

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robbins876:

did you?

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AndyCap:

I'd have that in writing and reviewed by an attorney before doing it.

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Dagmar:

Did you see anything about me being on CNN for having shown up in a quarterly statement as to why a company lost millions of dollars?

[08:49:09]

skx:

Dagmar--that goes for any small-to-medium sized business in the U.S.

[08:49:14]

robbins876:

it was more of a prodding question...

[08:49:23]

Dagmar:

AndyCap: Yeah, I pretty much had to say "I don't think there's actually anyone high enough up in the company to sign off on that kind of destruction test"

[08:49:49]

Dagmar:

...but these are the things that are the reason I make people pay large money when I consult for them.

[08:49:49]

AndyCap:

:P

[08:49:57]

Dagmar:

This shit will give you nightmares.

[08:50:28]

Dagmar:

...plus, you pretty much HAVE to make it expensive for them, so they'll consider hiring clueful people as a cost savings

[08:50:52]

AndyCap:

Hehe.

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robbins876:

i hate people!

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robbins876:

i'm sorry, that means nothing

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AndyCap:

not enough clueful people to go around so that just means the morons get better pay

[08:51:17]

robbins876:

Dagmar, what city do you work in primarily?

[08:51:45]

Dagmar:

I'm really not going to say at the moment, other than it's in the SE US

[08:52:02]

robbins876:

like...virginia?

[08:52:08]

robbins876:

i've been there

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Dagmar:

I don't think I could work there. TOo many Defense contracts.

[08:52:25]

robbins876:

how old are you?

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Dagmar:

I don't want to know how bad their security might be

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Dagmar:

30's

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robbins876:

i see

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robbins876:

i'm only 22

[08:52:58]

robbins876:

what am i even talking about? i have a migraine.

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Dagmar:

See, I never had migraines until I started getting to do host audits for really big and important stuff

[08:53:44]

Dagmar:

I literally did not know what a migraine was until I commented to my coworker that I had suffered a loss of vision and nausea on the way into work.

[08:53:59]

Dagmar:

Seeing everything dim to a little point of light while you're on the interstate is not cool

[08:54:16]

skx:

Just don't take up drinking. =)

[08:54:27]

AndyCap:

sounds like a bad migraine.

[08:54:32]

Dagmar:

Yeah, it was.

[08:54:43]

Dagmar:

I had no idea what a migraine was until the co-worker congratulated me on having my first one.

[08:54:47]

Dagmar:

That place was killing me

[08:55:08]

Dagmar:

I got hired as a unix security specialist, and it was almost nine months before I was actually allowed to audit anything

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robbins876:

i drank two 22oz NOS energy drinks today, so mine was substance induced

[08:55:21]

Dagmar:

I wound up writing thirty-five pages on it

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Dagmar:

...on JUST the technical flaw.

[08:55:52]

Dagmar:

Another 10–15 on the adminsitrative stuff, like when the last time hte backup system was tested (never on record)

[08:56:44]

skx:

Nice. Sounds like someone was asking for a meltdown.

[08:56:50]

Dagmar:

I've seen medical offices where the machine that stores all their records is running on a ten year old release of an OS that links to that company's VPN, and every machine on it has a suid root binary which they have "signed off on as an acceptable risk"

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Dagmar:

Meaning, if you think no one can get at your medical records, I say they haven't found the right teenager who can use Google to find canned exploits and a minimal knowledge of Unix

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skx:

One call to the HIPA folks and someone's shut down.

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Dagmar:

No, see, that's the thing about "signed off on".

[08:58:08]

Dagmar:

The outside contractor just has to say it's secure enough for hteir purposes. HIPPA has a blind spot for that.

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skx:

Hahah. Lovely.

[08:58:25]

Dagmar:

...even if the suid root binary is a shell that is (no joke) 4755

[08:58:51]

skx:

Ah shit.

[08:59:01]

Dagmar:

Yeah, like again, the stuff nightmares are made of.

[08:59:46]

skx:

Not entirely surprising though, given how unsavvy and out-of-the-loop 99% of businesses are.

[09:00:00]

Dagmar:

...and the bitch is that being a responsible person, I didn't overstep my bounds and go an engineer something *secure* to replace their root shell, because the box was technically being administred by the outsourcing company. It would ahve taken ten minutes.

[09:00:36]

skx:

Proper channels.

[09:00:37]

Dagmar:

...cuz I damn well could have taken over that company's entire client base in the space of one day.

[09:00:59]

Dagmar:

A few hours to set it up, and about ten minutes to let the code do it's work.

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skx:

You'd, of course lose your consulting gig if you were found out. But who would know. =)

[09:05:08]

skx:

Thanks for the tips by the way. Mythbuntu is on it's way.

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juski:

I have to fix this autologin thing to stop it logging me onto this channel

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drunken-wallaby:

hi together. i've set up a little mythbox on archlinux and everything is working fine, well except for one little thing. I've searched the wiki, but didn't find anything about my problem. The thing is, I've got 2 tuner-cards built into my box, a pvr-150 and a hauppauge pci-fm, which are both recognised by arch. I've connected a tv-cable to each of the two cards and set up the 2 cards as tuners in mythtv-setup. howe

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drunken-wallaby:

ver, i f i set up a tv-recording and want to watch tv on an other channel using the other tv-card, myth keeps telling me that "mythtv is using all available tuner-cards already". where should I start looking?

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DustyBin:

why is my dmesg flooded with 'I2C read failed' ?

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DustyBin:

mt2060 I2C read failed

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SiD3WiNDR:

probably because it failed to read from the mt2060 via i2c...?

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DustyBin:

oh yeah i didnt think of that :)

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DustyBin:

would somone mind telling the mythtv coders to hurry up and get .21 released?

[10:00:29]

DustyBin:

(in the nicest way of course) :p

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juski:

well, seems from the emails on the -dev list, nobody is blaming me for the decision I made. that makes me feel better

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** DustyBin blames juski **

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juski:

yeah well the likes of you would

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DustyBin:

good news :) drivers have been updated for the hauppauge nova-t 500

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DustyBin:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI

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juski:

that's news?

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DustyBin:

and the remote works

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DustyBin:

is that old news? :-S

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gbee:

not new

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juski:

how about – don't buy the nova-t 500 incase you end up with the nova-td 500 which *won't* be support in linux (likely EVER)

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DustyBin:

i read that

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gbee:

I believe our very own janneg supplied the patch for remote support

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gbee:

but the more important fix is the one which stops the USB disconnect bug

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DustyBin:

what is the difference between the hauppauge kernel driver and the hauppauge v4l-dvb drivers?

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juski:

spose that would depend on which kernel rev you run

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DustyBin:

on the linux-tv website it says i need to update my kernel to 2.6.21 to solve the problem of disconnects, but on: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI it gives you a example on how to install and patch, does that mean 2.6.21 kernel uses those drivers anyway?

[11:13:48]

immolo:

oh damn I was going to buy a nova-t as well :(

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DustyBin:

ohh

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DustyBin:

"Anything released before August 1, 2007, distro kernels or from LinuxTV.org, will have loads of problems (tuning and USB disconnects that will hang or crash MythTV and/or the whole system) and will not support the remote."

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gbee:

DustyBin: the drivers aren't in the kernel yet, but you can download and build a patch against a recent kernel

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DustyBin:

yes thats what i dont using that example on www.mythtv.org

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DustyBin:

there was another important part to it what turns the amps on so you get a good signal strength

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juski:

that last part you mention is even older news

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DustyBin:

jeeze i need to read me

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DustyBin:

more

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juski:

don't worry, so does most of the community

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gbee:

err, I should have said that the drivers fixes aren't in the kernel yet

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juski:

I'm still tempted to buy a nova-t500 & if it turns out to be a td-500 when it arrives, just get hauppauge to swap it

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gbee:

Nova-T 500 works just fine with 2.6.20/2.6.21 and above, as long as you don't use EIT (EIT scanning triggers the bug more frequently)

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DustyBin:

i used EIT scanning, its nice and simple

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DustyBin:

*use

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gbee:

I've a patch in my tree, written by Janne, which allows you to disable active EIT scanning but leaves passive EIT so I can still use EIT but it's only collected when recording

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gbee:

I don't think we'll see the dvb fixes in the kernel until 2.6.24

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DustyBin:

juski: are you a EIT or radiotimes man?

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juski:

both

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gbee:

EIT is the only option for radio, radiotimes data is higher quality for everything else

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juski:

ugh. http://www.vodafonebetavine.net/web/MythSMS/

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DustyBin:

good idea

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juski:

hm. got a couple of emails from disgruntled theme abusers. "wah wah wah you suck, etc". So be it. Let's face it, insulting me isn't very likely to make me change my mind now

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gbee:

no doubt inspired by Sky

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juski:

gbee: Sly's thing works the other way – you set recordings by txt

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juski:

rather gives out the wrong impression about mythtv IMHO, having to be notified a recording has been successful ;)

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gbee:

juski: ahh, I didn't actually read it, just assumed it was the same as the Sky thing

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juski:

btw I watched an interesting doccy last night... "The C word & how we came to swear by it"

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juski:

recommended :)

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gbee:

heh, I set it to record but iirc it clashed with a couple of films

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gbee:

not that I haven't already seen both those films, so I could have just cancelled one or both

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juski:

"Well, everything was working fine, except that overlay playback was 2x

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juski:

too tall, stretching the bottom half of the picture off the screen. "

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foo8ar:

hi all. i have a problem with my setup reporting 4 encoders. i guess that belongs to my various changes of cards. how could i drop the first two non-active/working encoders?

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juski:

everything was working fine, except video playback was totally facked :-P

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juski:

avalanche!

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gbee:

I really need to sort this out, there is hardly any room left on my desks, I've not see my switch or access point in days

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gbee:

s/see/seen/

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gbee:

ahh, so that's where my red whiteboard marker went

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Dibblah:

Quiet in here :(

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juski:

Dibblah: that means everybody's mythtv is worky! yay!!!

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Dibblah:

Heh.

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Dibblah:

On your P4 question. Damn hot.

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juski:

muh

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Dibblah:

Yesterday, I think, you asked how hot P4 2.4s should be.

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juski:

has a smaller tdp than my crappy athlon though.. got that down to 45'C full whack

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juski:

and that's with quite a quiet HSF

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Dibblah:

TDPs are not comparible between Intel / AMD.

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foo8ar:

hi all. i have a problem with my setup reporting 4 encoders. i guess that belongs to my various changes of cards. how could i drop the first two non-active/working encoders?

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Dibblah:

Intel = average, AMD = max.

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juski:

damnit

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juski:

foo8ar: wth does " i guess that belongs to my various changes of cards" mean?

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Dibblah:

foo8ar: Easiest option is to delete all cards from mythtv-setup (the menu option, not just delete singly)

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foo8ar:

Dibblah: only two cards are showing up in the setup menu

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Dibblah:

Sure. Delete all clears everything up.

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Dibblah:

Then you have to recreate.

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juski:

ah ffs now I'm getting even more hate mail

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juski:

I cant win

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Dibblah:

:(

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g3k:

foo8ar: or you could edit the db directly to remove the unwanted entrys

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foo8ar:

g3k: i need to drop encoder 1&2 and keep 3&4

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Dibblah:

Well, most people still appreciate what you've done with your themes. They're still shining examples of what Myth _can_ look like with a lot of effort.

[12:20:20]

foo8ar:

and possibly rename/renumber them

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foo8ar:

maybe it's better to "remove all" i don't want to loose my channels though

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g3k:

probably safer.

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juski:

foo8ar: by removing tuner cards you won't lose any channels

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foo8ar:

ok, that sounds great

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g3k:

I kind of like poking around the db and doing stuff but it is more dangerous than using the user end tools

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foo8ar:

:P

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juski:

I'd never advocate futzing directly with the db

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juski:

it can lead to much unhappiness

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juski:

anyway, I think I'm starting to realise that walking away from this little mess is gonna be harder than I first assumed

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DustyBin:

make sure you have setup a automatic script to backup your mythconverg everyday

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g3k:

of course making a backup of the db is recommended.

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DustyBin:

mine backups every day but recycles every 5 days, a weekly backup recycles every 2 weeks, and a month backup what doesnt recycle

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DustyBin:

*ly

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rooaus:

juski: Why is that? Surely people realise how you spend your time is up to you.

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rooaus:

Or am I being being a bit naieve?

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rooaus:

s/naieve/naive

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gbee:

I should probably setup a db backup job, but it's one of those jobs that I keep putting off

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gbee:

I probably won't get around to it before we handle database backups internally

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juski:

rooaus: look at the schedulesdirect debacle on the mailing list too. if you don't ask "how high" when some people say "I want this, now jump to it", you're obviously some kind of cancerous growth

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juski:

they're biting the hands that feed them

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juski:

the community is broken & needs to be fixed

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rooaus:

juski: It really is disappointing, people want everyone else (apart from them) to fix it or provide it for them.

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juski:

it's not disappointing. it's completely demoralising

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juski:

I personally wouldn't blame any developer if they upped sticks & left users in the lurch

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rooaus:

The vocal minority vs the silent majority... I hope that still is the correct balance. But you do start to wonder.

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juski:

should be the other way around IMHO. there's not enough *positivity* in open source

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rooaus:

That is human nature I guess, it is easy to take things for granted.

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juski:

I think I'll stay out of my gmail account for a bit

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g3k:

juski: out of curiosity what themes have you made if you don't mind me asking?

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juski:

the blootube themes & OSD, projectgrayhem themes & OSD, & neon-wide

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juski:

8 in total

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rooaus:

juski: You should post them online, the email addresses at least. Or just submit them straight to a spambot. :)

[12:53:54]

juski:

they're entitled to their opinion

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g3k:

I just downloaded those the other day. I am using blootubewide &OSD and love them. thanks for your work.

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juski:

look after them. you can't download them anymore

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g3k:

/ME goes to make a backup

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DustyBin:

why not? jus stick them on your own sie

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DustyBin:

site

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rooaus:

g3k: They are some of best themes available.

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fysa:

limited edition

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foo8ar:

is there an option that could change the default start and stop of recordings by a delta time. i'd like recordings to start like 30s or 1 min before schedule.

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g3k:

yes there is

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g3k:

cant remember which of the setup menus though

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Dagmar:

No one ever can.

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Dagmar:

You just wander around them until God shows you the way.

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DustyBin:

now i have the new nova-t drivers installed i should be able to keep a nice uptime on my box :D

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DustyBin:

wow

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DustyBin:

input: IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver as /class/input/input4

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** DustyBin feels excited **

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DustyBin:

i might build my sister a myth frontend box, i wonder how she would get on with it

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GreyFoxx:

My father, my grandparents and my mother in law all have them and love them

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DustyBin:

excellent

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GreyFoxx:

though my mother in law wants a remote frontend for her other room which I haven't gotten around too :)

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GreyFoxx:

they are all running SVN trunk. I think from a month or so ago (I update them every couple months)

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DustyBin:

a friend of mine has a lot of spare computer parts, i think i will make him a offer on some if it

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DustyBin:

i dont have the experience to compile stuff, i stick with the debian myth package

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DustyBin:

ok this is the uptime of my mythtv box with the new drivers, lets see what it will be on 7 days time

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DustyBin:

14:23:38 up 11 min, 3 users, load average: 1.11, 0.70, 0.37

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juski:

my uptime used to be months with gentoo. now with ubuntu on the same hardware it's more like weeks

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DustyBin:

hmm ubuntu, have you considered using debian instead?

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laga:

my uptime is hopefully only a few hours. i don't know why my boxen should be consuming power when they're idle

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DustyBin:

i believe debian is a more tried and testted distro

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juski:

well, I've gone godknows how long with a cigarette. let's see how long I can go without IRC

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juski:

cold turkey here I come :)

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GreyFoxx:

I mess with my stuff too often to worry about uptime on my myth boxes :)

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laga:

GreyFoxx: true ;)

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GreyFoxx:

all I care is that it only goes down when I choose it too :)

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DustyBin:

let check my vps

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DustyBin:

13:30:51 up 6 days, 1:25, 1 user, load average: 0.27, 0.06, 0.02

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** GreyFoxx ponders installing wine. I haven't installed it in 7 years now :) **

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DustyBin:

why do you need to install wine?

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GreyFoxx:

mostly because I haven

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GreyFoxx:

t in a long time

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GreyFoxx:

and I don't really wanna do "work"

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MuFoxxa:

That was disturbingly easy

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MuFoxxa:

Wine has come along way

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DustyBin:

can your run msn in wine?

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DustyBin:

*you

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GreyFoxx:

I installed and am running mirc. haven't looked at anything else

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fysa:

bitlbee.

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fysa:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

I already have a msn client anyway :)

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Kazan:

ok.. i'm doing a big upgrade – FC5 to FC7 on my mythtv box... should i keep using .20-fixes or are there some really awesome things i'll want from head?

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gbee:

Kazan: impossible to say really, we don't know what you might want :)

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gbee:

I can't even remember the differences between 0.20 and head, so I wouldn't be much help anyway

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gbee:

with a full years worth of development in 0.21, there is probably more than one thing that you might like

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gbee:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.21 < is so far behind that it's not funny

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gbee:

2500 changesets between that and head

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laga:

maybe i'm gonna do 100 revisions or so later

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visit0r:

Preview Error: Previewer file '[filename clipped]' is not valid.

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visit0r:

I get that when trying to open live tv (trunk as of yesterday) any ideas?

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visit0r:

[filename clipped] is a .mpg

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Merlin83b2:

Link for juski if he returns: http://blog.zenspider.com/archives/2007/07/ho . . . he_time.html

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laga:

heh

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Merlin83b2:

The comments (well, one of them) is entertaining from the other side, too.

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defaultro:

Morning folks, I've got an off topic question. Our symantec antivirus is thinking that the netcat tool I'm putting on our Win2k server is virus. I need this tool to copy a huge file. Rename doesn't work either

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Dagmar:

Well, if it doesn't like netcat, looks like you get to try WinSCP

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defaultro:

winscp is a lot of encryption overhead

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defaultro:

i will be copying locally

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defaultro:

copy is slow. I've tried netcat and it's really fast

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defaultro:

i mean, msdos's copy internal command

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defaultro:

i just do this -> type somebigfile.mdb | nc 127.0.0.1 5678

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gbee:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/14/bbc_iplayer_protests/ < heh, just 20 people turned up

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** juski wonders if a lifetime ban exists **

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juski:

gbee: bugger. I really wanted to go to that ;)

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gbee:

;)

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juski:

might've stood opposite saying "fairness for people without PCs. We don't want no snotty iPlayer"

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bewst:

Has anyone succeeded in using osx-packager.pl recently?

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gbee:

compiling kdevelop is taking forever, mostly because klaptop is broken and I have to keep stopping the compile to prevent an overheat

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Merlin83b2:

Link for juski if he returns: http://blog.zenspider.com/archives/2007/07/ho . . . he_time.html

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Merlin83b2:

The comments (well, one of them) is entertaining from the other side, too.

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** gbee wonders if the lappy heatsink needs to be cleared of dust bunnies **

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juski:

rofl

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jarle:

After trying to open up mysql to allow multiple connections from frontends by gollowing the instructions on http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html, somehow I messed up an now no frontends can connect. Could anybody give me any hints trying to figure out if this is caused by wrong settings in the database or in mysql config?

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jarle:

My frontend says Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'192.168.1.100' (using password: YES)

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KaZeR:

jarle, grep bind /etc/mysql/my.cnf ?

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KaZeR:

(or maybe /etc/my.cnf, depends of your distro)

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jarle:

Kazer: have commented that out...

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KaZeR:

mmm. i think it's best to bind to your network adress

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KaZeR:

oh well

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KaZeR:

access denied is not connection refused

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jarle:

KaZeR: tried that without any luck before commenting out..

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KaZeR:

connect as root to your mysql

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KaZeR:

you need to grant your user rights on the database and sql server

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KaZeR:

look in the mysql db, in the user and db tables

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jarle:

KaZeR: I tried "grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv";"

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KaZeR:

sounds good. flushed privileges?

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jarle:

KaZeR: my mysql knowledge is poor... some mysql I could cut'try to check the settings would be

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jarle:

something I could cut'n'paste..

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KaZeR:

try : "flush privileges;" as root in mysql

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jarle:

I did flush as the document described..

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KaZeR:

ok

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jarle:

"mysql -u root mythconverg" and then "flush privileges;"?

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KaZeR:

mysql -u mythtv -h 192.168.1.100 mythconverg -p

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KaZeR:

can you auth with that?

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Kazan:

oh nice

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Kazan:

kazer and kazan

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Kazan:

that's not going to create any confusion :D

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KaZeR:

hi. :)

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KaZeR:

hehe :)

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Kazan:

lol

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jarle:

"Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec)" is this OK?

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KaZeR:

ahah. 'Welcome to the kaz?? channel' :)

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KaZeR:

jarle, sounds good. you got that after flush privileges, right? not with the last cmd i gave you?

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KaZeR:

that was quick.

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** Kazan tells FC7 updater to work faster **

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KaZeR:

anyone here use mythrename.pl ? i'm having charset problems with it.

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jarle:

KaZeR: after the last one I got "ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.100' (111)"

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** fonejacker uses mythrename.pl --link often **

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jarle:

KaZeR: thank you for taking time trying to help me BTW, feeling a bit helpless :)

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KaZeR:

jarle, no pb, this is what this channel is about :)

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fonejacker:

helping the helpless? ;)

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jarle:

KaZeR: BTW: 192.168.1.104 is the IP for the backend and mysql and the frontend is 192.168.1.100

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KaZeR:

jarle, in pm, (to avoid flooding) please paste me "select * from user;" as root

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KaZeR:

fonejacker, ahah :)

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KaZeR:

fonejacker, i bet you're using ascii chars?

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KaZeR:

jarle, you got it.

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fonejacker:

KaZeR: no idea

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KaZeR:

jarle, your mysql.txt is misconfigured

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KaZeR:

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jarle:

ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'mythconverg.user' doesn't exist

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KaZeR:

it's a e with an accent

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Kazan:

yes kaz

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fonejacker:

I don't. I see é

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KaZeR:

jarle, forget this, this is the ip that is wrong

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Kazan:

lol

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KaZeR:

fonejacker, here is my problem. mythrename see like you do.

[15:07:18]

KaZeR:

so my file names get broken

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gbee:

Kazan: I see e acute

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KaZeR:

woot :) first confusion ;)

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gbee:

KaZeR: err, e acute

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fonejacker:

utf-8 is teh suck. it should be forced to go away & everybody to use English

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jarle:

KaZeR: so what is wrong with my IP?

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KaZeR:

ahah. well. i wouldn't mind that much

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JeffATL:

hello – I'm trying to head off mythtv problems as i go – mythtv-setup starts normally but throws this business about lirc: http://rafb.net/p/8guVgu86.html

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gbee:

stupid autocomplete – or should I complain about users with similar nicks? :)

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KaZeR:

jarle, your frontend should try to reach the mysql on the backend, not on the frontend. look in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

[15:08:41]

Kazan:

i was here first :P

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fonejacker:

JeffATL: so lircd isn't running. what's new?

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KaZeR:

gbee, both :) xchat

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KaZeR:

Kazan, really? just wondering, how long?

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jarle:

KaZeR: on the frontend?

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KaZeR:

jarle, yes

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Kazan:

Kazan: since last year

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Kazan:

my mythbox is still running fc5 and fc5 was new when i made the box

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KaZeR:

i've been here since around nov. 2004 :)

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KaZeR:

myth 0.14

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Kazan:

upgrading to fc7 right now

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jarle:

KaZeR: file does not exist...

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KaZeR:

(but i'm silent most of the time. read : afk ;) )

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Kazan:

ok.. you have me beat i guess... first version i messed with was .18 very close to .19 release

[15:10:31]

Kazan:

is cvs head stable right now?

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KaZeR:

jarle, weird. where does it takes your settings then...

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Kazan:

erg svn

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fonejacker:

Kazan: there is no CVS anymore

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Kazan:

getting too used to CVS from the FreeSpace 2 SCP

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Kazan:

fonejacker: meant to type svn

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Kazan:

h8t cvs

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KaZeR:

Kazan, as you see, having been here for years doesn't help me much to solve minor buggers :)

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Kazan:

lol KaZeR

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gbee:

Kazan: yes it's stable, there are a couple of livetv bugs but if you don't use livetv then it's perfectly stable

[15:12:02]

Kazan:

cool

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Kazan:

i only use livetv to check atsc signal strength

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KaZeR:

jarle, you may pm me if you wish. will be maybe easier

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jarle:

KaZeR: I've got "/usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt"

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gbee:

I should also add, that as far as I know, those livetv bugs exist in 0.20 anyway

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KaZeR:

i think you should get a .mythtv folder created when launching the frontend the first time. it also contains the theme cache, etc

[15:13:42]

KaZeR:

jarle, on the frontend, you are sure to have no .mythtv folder in your current user homedir, right?

[15:13:57]

gbee:

I think I might have to get over my dislike of air dusters

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KaZeR:

you know what the . before the name means, right? (just to be sure)

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JeffATL:

fonejacker, thx, took care of that – should lircmd be running also?

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Kazan:

speaking of which... brb installing new antenna my friend gave me

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fonejacker:

lircmd is the mousey daemon. you don't generally want that

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jarle:

KaZeR: I'm in private MSG now..

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KaZeR:

i don't see it. is your user registered?

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KaZeR:

-> #jarle ;)

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JeffATL:

fonejacker, thanks

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laga:

fonejacker: welcome back ;)

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fonejacker:

laga: I need to fidn a cure for IRC man

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jarle:

KaZeR: Have you given up on me? :)

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defaultro:

hi laga, do you know of a tool that I can use to garble a file

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fonejacker:

defaultro: windows file copy

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gbee:

cleaning up the heatsink/fan on the laptop just dropped the resting temp by 15 degrees

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gbee:

well more like 20 actually

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fonejacker:

wowser

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gbee:

discovered the main cause was a manufacturing flaw of sorts, they'd used a metallic tape to seal the gap between the heat pipe/sink and the fan, but of course the dust just built up on the sticky tape and effectively blocked the air flow

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KaZeR:

jarle, sorry had to go afk

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gbee:

anyway, I'm happy because I was getting fed up with this thing overheating every time the cpu was maxed for more than 5 minutes

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gbee:

heh, can't get over the difference, been compiling for 5 minutes now and the cpu temp is yet to break 65 degrees – which was the minimum resting temp before

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gbee:

it was getting over 100 after just a couple of minutes of compiling before

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JeffATL:

fonejacker, ok – lircd starts but winds up dying when mythtv-setuo starts; error persists – serpate lircd setup to be taken on first?

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JeffATL:

fonejacker, oops, separate

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fonejacker:

mythtv shouldn't be making lircd crash

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fonejacker:

not in a million years

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fonejacker:

try irw

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gbee:

lircd will often start, even if misconfigured, but then crash when something tries to connect

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fonejacker:

seriously though, is there a lifetime ban or a cure for IRC ?

[15:56:34]

JeffATL:

that seems to be what's happening

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KaZeR:

for the records, jarle's problem was related to hosts and passwords in DB

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fonejacker:

KaZeR: oh you do surprise me

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KaZeR:

:)

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g3k:

fonejacker: can't someone set up a bot to kick you off everytime you sign on?

[15:58:10]

fonejacker:

don't think I'm that worthy of it tbh

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fonejacker:

it's like a fscking addiction though. it's not good for me yet I can't stop myself

[15:59:28]

JeffATL:

,ythtv-setup is complaining about lack of a /home/myth/.mythtv/lircrc and i do not have one...

[15:59:38]

JeffATL:

that much is true

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fonejacker:

JeffATL: shouldn't make any difference

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JeffATL:

then goes on to say "Failed to read lirc config /home/myth/.mythtv/lircrc for mythtv"

[16:00:58]

gbee:

ls -l /home/myth/.mythtv/lircrc

[16:01:08]

fonejacker:

just ignore it & get on with setting up mythtv itself. you have all the time in the world to sort lirc out

[16:01:26]

JeffATL:

gbee, does not exist

[16:01:33]

JeffATL:

fonejacker, fair enough

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gbee:

JeffATL: ahh, mis-read

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JeffATL:

arggh, the hell that is mythtv kbd nav...

[16:04:39]

gbee:

JeffATL: it'll be a lirc setup issue though, most distros handle it for you these days, but you might need to mess about with a script to do "setserial uart none /dev/ttys0"

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fonejacker:

well, I was looking fwd to the evening meal tonight, til I remembered we're on a the Special K diet at home now :(

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gbee:

:(

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laga:

fonejacker: kellog's special K?

[16:09:29]

fonejacker:

laga: yeah. both need to slim down for our holidays apparently :-\

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stuarta:

fonejacker: hi juski ;-)

[16:09:56]

fonejacker:

rumbled :)

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gbee:

stuarta: hi there

[16:10:04]

** stuarta chuckles **

[16:10:07]

stuarta:

gbee: howdy

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laga:

fonejacker: i love them. i have yet to complain to kellog's about their image, though. they should make a more male version

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Aval0n:

anyone know if you can get the new Wireless version of the hauppauge mediamvp working as a mythtv frontend?

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fonejacker:

a more male version? you want bits of beef in yours or something?

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Merlin83b2:

lol

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fonejacker:

and what could be better in their ads than a fit woman in a swimming costume? other than them being naked, I mean.,..

[16:12:07]

Alex_Gaynor:

Does anyone know of any free alternatives to scheduels direct, because thats one of the main things I love about my mythbox no monthly fee

[16:12:15]

fonejacker:

Alex_Gaynor: no such thing

[16:12:26]

stuarta:

listings data isn't free

[16:12:44]

fonejacker:

you guys should really stop bleating on about the fee. it's enough to make people leave you in the dark

[16:12:46]

Alex_Gaynor:

How was the other site(forget the name) doin it?

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Kazan:

Alex_Gaynor: there will be absolutely no free alternative to schedules direct

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fonejacker:

Alex_Gaynor: you mean easytvdata? they became schedulesdirect, you nark

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Kazan:

TMS is the only listing source

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Kazan:

Zap2it=TMS

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Kazan:

Zap2it=dead soon

[16:13:43]

Kazan:

so the cheapest alternative to SD

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stuarta:

well you could use EIT data, but that's really bad in the US

[16:13:55]

Kazan:

if you stop whining about the $5/month and sign up they hope to reduce it to $20/year

[16:13:55]

Alex_Gaynor:

Zap2it, thats the one, how did they offer it for free?

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Kazan:

because Zap2it IS TMS

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fonejacker:

Alex_Gaynor: because it was their data to give away

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Aval0n:

anyone know if you can get the new Wireless version of the hauppauge mediamvp working as a mythtv frontend?

[16:14:18]

stuarta:

5 bucks a month? that's 1 beer down the pub

[16:14:21]

Kazan:

TMS is discontinuing Zap2IT because of abuse

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laga:

you guys have expensive beer

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Kazan:

and they don't want to have to rewrite it for their data version

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stuarta:

maybe 2 beers.

[16:15:00]

Kazan:

$5/month is nothing

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Alex_Gaynor:

What does TMS stand for?

[16:15:07]

Kazan:

Tribune Media Service IIRC

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fonejacker:

Tribune Media services

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Alex_Gaynor:

Ahh, maybe I should stop my substcription to the Chicago Tribune in protest :P

[16:15:56]

fonejacker:

maybe you should just pay the measly fee & stop your whining

[16:16:03]

Kazan:

./agree fonejacker

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Kazan:

alex seriously

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fonejacker:

the more people who pay, the less you all have to pay long-term

[16:16:12]

Kazan:

it's $5

[16:16:15]

Kazan:

exactly

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floppyears:

my mythtv frontend&backend machine is in the living room, and has no wireless cards

[16:16:23]

Kazan:

if they get enogh subscriptions they're lowering to $20/year

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Kazan:

that's $1.66/month

[16:16:41]

floppyears:

can I hook it to my laptop every night so that it uses that connection to download the tv listing data ?

[16:16:45]

Kazan:

floppyears: same here

[16:16:48]

Kazan:

i have a wireless bridge :D

[16:17:07]

Kazan:

simple get an external wireless bridge

[16:17:09]

Kazan:

easy as pie

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Kazan:

$5/month is one big mac meal at mcdonald's Alex_Gaynor

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Kazan:

SD is a non-profit organization at that

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Kazan:

their expenses are hardware, and the (VERY EXPENSIVE) listing data

[16:18:13]

Kazan:

for all of US/canada it's like $15k a year for the listing data

[16:18:25]

Aval0n:

anyone have any success getting a USB wireless adapter working with a mythtv box?

[16:18:55]

Kazan:

Aval0n: any linux-supported USB Wireless adapater will work

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Merlin83b2:

Aval0n: Not at all related to MythTV – that's a Linux or distro issue.

[16:19:11]

floppyears:

Kazan: I'm trying to avoid spending more $$$ since I've already spent over $600 building this mythtv machine :(

[16:19:24]

Aval0n:

thnx Kazan

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floppyears:

I want to use an ethernet cable to connect it to my macbook pro and use the laptops wireless

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Kazan:

no idea if a Mac OS/X is capable of acting as a NAT

[16:20:03]

Kazan:

simple run a cable or get a bridge

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floppyears:

Kazan: how much is a bridge ?

[16:21:11]

Kazan:

brb getting newegg link

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floppyears:

how much did you pay for yours ?

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floppyears:

what about linux support if it's an external device ?

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g3k:

floppyears: i got one for about $60–70 US

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fonejacker:

here's the thing about bridges – they don't need drivers! :-P

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JeffATL:

in mythtv-setup, capture card setup is not able to probe the pvr-150...

[16:22:39]

Kazan:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833180035

[16:22:40]

Kazan:

$20

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Kazan:

well it went up in price.. it's $28 now

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floppyears:

thanks Kazan

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Kazan:

Alex_Gaynor: you mean you went insane?

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Alex_Gaynor:

Kazan: Sort of :D , I'm pretty sure someone I know knows Sam Zell who just bought Tribune /conspiracu

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fonejacker:

Alex_Gaynor: you have a choice. pay up or go without data. you *could* see what happens with screen scrapers or make your own but that's a war of attrition. they change their site layout, it breaks the scraper script. you update the scraper script, they change the site. you update the scraper script, they change the site..

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g3k:

Alex: for profit company stops giving away product for free. no one understands what they were thhinking

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g3k:

*thinking

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Alex_Gaynor:

Yes, I will probably end up paying, that doesn't mean I can't try.

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Kazan:

Alex_Gaynor: you can go with what fonejacker just described... or you can pay $15 for three months... and then after that three months probably see a price reduction to $20/year

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fonejacker:

well, it's fair to say you're already *trying*

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gbee:

I really welcome people trying screen scrapers, go for it and then you might understand why everyone else sees mythtv + SchedulesDirect as a bargin

[16:26:06]

Kazan:

one really nice thing about SD is it puts comercial manufacturing of mythBoxen in the definant clear – not a grey area (it was always ok.. but people were confused over the zap2it licensing agreemtn)

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Kazan:

plus with mythTV devs as part of SchedulesDirect i'm sure we will be seeing awesome new features

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fonejacker:

Kazan: it puts the commercial people over a barrel

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JeffATL:

"video device:" blank in Capture Card Setup has nothing to choose among

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Kazan:

fonejacker: ?

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Kazan:

fonejacker: i don't understand what you mean

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fonejacker:

Kazan: SD won't be dealing with companies

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fonejacker:

if a company wants TV data, they'll have to go get their own deal

[16:27:08]

Kazan:

yeah

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Kazan:

i'm not talking abotu a company getting data

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Kazan:

there was some confusion amongst a lot of people about whether it was legal to comercially sell mythTV systems and then have the end user use zap2it

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** stuarta restarts X **

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Kazan:

plus with SchedulesDirect i bet we have will have easier setup of accounts coming in the near future – like being able to create your account and lineup from within mythtv-setup

[16:28:38]

fonejacker:

lol. pure speculation

[16:28:48]

Kazan:

yes it is

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Kazan:

your point/

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Kazan:

erg ? not /

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JeffATL:

perhaps there was a kernel driver to enable for the PVR-150?

[16:29:13]

Kazan:

there is a reason why i said "i bet"

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Kazan:

did you install IVTV JeffATL

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JeffATL:

Kazan, checking

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fonejacker:

JeffATL: you kinda need ivtv is you have a pvr150

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g3k:

Kazan: maybe it will allow you to send $ via paypal from the interface too.

[16:30:54]

JeffATL:

Kazan, fonejacker – negative ivtv not installed

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gbee:

somehow I doubt it, a closed source interface to the payment system can't be tampered with by packagers etc

[16:31:36]

Kazan:

JeffATL: well there is your problem

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fonejacker:

JeffATL: what version kernel you running?

[16:31:44]

Kazan:

g3k: lol papyal IS just a website

[16:31:52]

Kazan:

mythbrowser :P

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fonejacker:

JeffATL: thing is, til you've seen your tuner card working, you shouldn't even go near mythtv-setup

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g3k:

I know but you can never make things too easy for end users

[16:32:18]

Kazan:

yup

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JeffATL:

fonejacker, sorry; not docced in either mythtv install or gentoo mythtv install

[16:32:42]

fonejacker:

g3k: oh but you can. make something more idiot proof & you'll only end up with a better idiot

[16:32:45]

Kazan:

JeffATL: no.. because mythTV install doesn't cover installing your hardware

[16:32:45]

JeffATL:

fonejacker, 2.6.21-gentoo-r4

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Kazan:

RTFM

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gbee:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PVR-150#IVTV

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Aval0n:

is it possible to have one front end displaying 16:9 and another 4:2?

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Aval0n:

4:3*

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g3k:

fonejacker: just when I thought I had written the perfect program . . .

[16:34:24]

fonejacker:

Aval0n: yeah. most settings are stored on a per-frontend (hostname) basis

[16:34:31]

gbee:

sure, display aspect is entirely a function of the frontend

[16:34:36]

Aval0n:

excellent

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fonejacker:

Aval0n: if you mean 2 frontends on the same machine however... gets more messy

[16:35:01]

Aval0n:

gbee you weren't around earlier when I asked, do you know if the new Wireless hauppauge mediamvp can have mvpmc and work with mythtv?

[16:35:06]

Aval0n:

fonejacker nah

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Aval0n:

I've had enough devs tell me not to go the multiple front end on one machine route

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gbee:

Aval0n: no I don't know

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fonejacker:

when oh when is wireless gonna just die on its arse?

[16:35:32]

Aval0n:

ok thanks anyway gbee

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fonejacker:

it's good for web browsing

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Aval0n:

fonejacker why would wireless die?

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gbee:

fonejacker: as long as it works (and it does for some of us) it will stick around

[16:36:03]

fonejacker:

because people are starting to find out it's not all it's cracked up to be ?

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Aval0n:

uhm

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Aval0n:

I guess

[16:36:21]

Aval0n:

my wireless has always worked greaet

[16:36:24]

Aval0n:

great too

[16:36:39]

Aval0n:

wires are a way of the past

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fonejacker:

nah

[16:36:50]

Aval0n:

even digital video signals are going wireless

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Aval0n:

digital audio

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fonejacker:

wires are here to stay, and the only way to get very fast *reliable* connections

[16:37:19]

Aval0n:

better not tell all the people out there using verizon wireless internet that

[16:37:20]

Aval0n:

:)

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fonejacker:

the *only* way to have *guaranteed* reliability

[16:37:38]

fonejacker:

I'm not doing this again

[16:37:45]

** br14 likes the wireless tv myth provides him **

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Aval0n:

I have a hard wired cox connection and it goes out about every major storm I have

[16:37:59]

Aval0n:

I have to connect to my neighbors dsl via wireless

[16:38:16]

Aval0n:

hehe

[16:38:20]

Aval0n:

we don't have to talk about it

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Aval0n:

no biggy

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Aval0n:

al my pc's are networked togethe with cat6

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Aval0n:

because I transfer a lot of files between them

[16:38:48]

Aval0n:

it's a per application thing methinks

[16:39:04]

Aval0n:

wireless is suited fine in some instances and not in others

[16:39:05]

Kazan:

my wireless get's much less throughput on heavy data connections than it should

[16:39:20]

Aval0n:

kazan sometimes you have to mess with things

[16:39:24]

Kazan:

nope

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Aval0n:

cutoff threshholds rts and stuff

[16:39:28]

Kazan:

nothing wrong with the wireless link

[16:39:44]

Kazan:

hmm.. true tht may need tweaked.. but i'm pretty sure i'm at optimal values

[16:39:48]

Kazan:

and it shouldn't be THAT big of a diff

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Aval0n:

shouldn't but it can

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Kazan:

wireless-g only doing 1.5mbytes/sec for video tranfers (54mbit = 6.75mbytes/sec)

[16:40:19]

Aval0n:

ouch

[16:40:24]

Aval0n:

somethings wrong there

[16:40:27]

Kazan:

when i bust out the 100-baseT i can do the same transfer at 6mbyte

[16:40:29]

Aval0n:

you in an apartment or house?

[16:40:33]

Kazan:

apartment

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Kazan:

encrypted wireless

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Aval0n:

hmm

[16:40:39]

Kazan:

good solid link

[16:40:44]

Aval0n:

metal studs

[16:40:51]

Aval0n:

hmm odd

[16:40:56]

Aval0n:

linksys equipment?

[16:40:59]

Kazan:

yeah

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Aval0n:

good

[16:41:07]

Aval0n:

that's all I trust for wireless

[16:41:13]

Kazan:

hmm

[16:41:18]

Aval0n:

sometimes I'll cring and use d-link

[16:41:26]

Aval0n:

cringe*

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Kazan:

apparently where i'm sitting at right now (2 foot from the mythbox'es wireless bridge) i get a lot of signal flux

[16:41:31]

Aval0n:

however the heck you spell that

[16:41:37]

Kazan:

jumping between 24mbit and 54mbit

[16:41:42]

Aval0n:

erm

[16:41:46]

Aval0n:

something is not right

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Kazan:

yeah

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Aval0n:

you may have a defective component

[16:42:00]

Aval0n:

are you using a laptop?

[16:42:00]

Kazan:

considering there is only one wall between me and the room with the base

[16:42:11]

Kazan:

yes i was monitoring signal level from laptop

[16:42:13]

Kazan:

nothing is defective

[16:42:22]

Kazan:

speed downgrades automatically as signal quality degrades

[16:42:24]

Aval0n:

you ever had your laptop apart before?

[16:42:32]

Kazan:

yes

[16:42:32]

Kazan:

nothing is wrong with the laptop

[16:42:34]

Kazan:

it's signal quality

[16:42:43]

Kazan:

when i have 100% signal quality it's a solid 54mbit

[16:42:43]

Aval0n:

sigh

[16:42:46]

Aval0n:

dude

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Aval0n:

i'm just trying to help

[16:42:50]

Kazan:

and i have a very nice wireless card

[16:42:55]

Aval0n:

that's great

[16:43:00]

Aval0n:

is it in internal card?

[16:43:04]

Aval0n:

or a pcmcia card?

[16:43:05]

Kazan:

no it's PCMCIA

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Aval0n:

ok'

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Aval0n:

i'de verify that you have the antenna wiress connected correctly

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Kazan:

Prism54 based

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Kazan:

the antenna is not removable

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Aval0n:

your symptoms sound like criss crossed connection or lose

[16:43:55]

Aval0n:

every wireless card i've ever seen in a laptop has 2 cables that run up through the lcd screen making a Y

[16:44:02]

Aval0n:

and they push on to the wireless card

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Aval0n:

if your card does not have that

[16:44:11]

Kazan:

i've never seen one like that

[16:44:23]

Aval0n:

I've repair thousands of laptops

[16:44:27]

Kazan:

i elevated the laptop 8 inches and signal quality went to full

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Aval0n:

every one i've seen has been lik that

[16:44:32]

Kazan:

(not an internal card....)

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Aval0n:

damn it

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Aval0n:

i'm retarded

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Aval0n:

<Kazan> no it's PCMCIA

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Aval0n:

i read that as it's not pcmcia

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Aval0n:

sorry

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Kazan:

and it was signal interference :P

[16:45:08]

Aval0n:

disreguard everything i've said

[16:45:11]

Kazan:

i elevated the laptop 8 inches and quality went to full

[16:45:22]

Aval0n:

you probably have metal studs in the apartment

[16:45:31]

Kazan:

and six computers

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Kazan:

an HDTV

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Aval0n:

heheh

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Kazan:

two big audio systems

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Aval0n:

shouldn't matter that much

[16:45:46]

Kazan:

air conditioning

[16:45:47]

Aval0n:

what you should do

[16:45:57]

Aval0n:

is install hyperwrt on your wireless linksys router

[16:46:05]

Kazan:

it's a series 8

[16:46:09]

Aval0n:

and boost the signal strength from 50% to 100%

[16:46:21]

Aval0n:

by default linksys producs only broadcast 50% of their capacity

[16:46:22]

Kazan:

you can't use open source firmware on series 8

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Aval0n:

why the heck did you buy a series 8?

[16:46:37]

Aval0n:

:)

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Kazan:

because it was what was available

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Aval0n:

werent willing to order online eh?

[16:46:58]

Aval0n:

:)

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Kazan:

i believe i did

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Aval0n:

if you went to the car dealer and all they had was a kia sophia, would you buy it because it was the only one available

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Aval0n:

:P

[16:47:28]

Aval0n:

i'm messin with you

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Kazan:

plus i didn't care about the open source firmware

[16:47:37]

Aval0n:

I know

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Aval0n:

I'm just giving you a hard time

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Aval0n:

i dunno what to tell ya man

[16:48:11]

Aval0n:

angle the antenna at a slightly downward slant towards your devices

[16:48:13]

Aval0n:

sometimes that works

[16:48:24]

Aval0n:

elevate the router and angle antenna down

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JeffATL:

ok, it appears as though the drivers necessary for the PVR-150 card are not in this kernel tree

[16:48:46]

Aval0n:

like if this is your computer [_] ange it high and like \

[16:48:56]

Kazan:

no they're not jeff

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Kazan:

you have to go to the ivtv website...

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Aval0n:

what'

[16:49:38]

Aval0n:

is the difference between ivtv drivers and dvb drivers?

[16:49:47]

Kazan:

dvb is for dvb cards

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Kazan:

ivtv is for ivtv cards

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Aval0n:

i guess I still don't get the difference

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Kazan:

they're not the same hardware

[16:51:01]

keith4:

different hardware

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JeffATL:

Kazan, it is the ivtv website that is informing me as to what drivers are needed

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Aval0n:

I have a kworld atsc 115 and it used a dvb driver

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Kazan:

IVTV is a mpeg2 encoder chipset for NTSC and PAL tuners

[16:51:10]

Dagmar:

PVR-xx0 cards are IVTV

[16:51:17]

keith4:

JeffATL: what distro?

[16:51:30]

Aval0n:

i have 2 pvr 150's on order

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Kazan:

then you'll need both DVB and IVTV like i do

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keith4:

Aval0n: why not a 500?

[16:51:48]

Kazan:

PVR-150, PVR-500, Kworld ATSC-110

[16:52:10]

Aval0n:

why would i need a 500?

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keith4:

it's basically 2 150s

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Kazan:

because it's two 150s on one board

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keith4:

possibly cheaper

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Aval0n:

oh shit

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Aval0n:

are you kidding

[16:52:33]

** Aval0n slams head on table **

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Kazan:

keith4: more than basically.... it's two 150s on one board + a PCI to PCI bridge

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Aval0n:

only takes 1 pci slot?!

[16:52:50]

keith4:

yep

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Kazan:

yup

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** Aval0n slams head on table harder **

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keith4:

no big deal

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Kazan:

my PVR-150 was for slaving a cable box

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keith4:

i have 4 250s

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Aval0n:

crap

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keith4:

since i got them one at a time, figuring i'd be okay with just 1... then just 2... etc

[16:54:05]

Aval0n:

dang it

[16:54:08]

Aval0n:

i feel stupid

[16:54:19]

Aval0n:

i tried to research as much as possible before I bought them too

[16:54:32]

Aval0n:

at least i only payed 50 a piece for them

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Kazan:

wow ivtv got integrated into kernel .22

[16:56:16]

floppyears:

Aval0n: not as stupid as me, I ordered the wrong video card last week, and just realized it last night :( . I will probably keep it for whenever I build another mythtv box

[16:57:16]

Kazan:

anyway.. the reason why the ATSC 110 and 115 use dvb drivers is because they're saa7133 based

[16:57:18]

floppyears:

Aval0n: I was going to get a pvr 500, but some peolpe mentioned that once in a while users have problems getting the card to work just right :(

[16:57:19]

Aval0n:

i havn't recieved my tuner in the mail yet

[16:57:24]

floppyears:

so that's why I went with 2 150 :)

[16:57:26]

Aval0n:

I wonder if I should return them and get the 500

[16:57:42]

Aval0n:

the place I ordered them from (directron) has the pvr-500MCE for 129.00

[16:57:44]

floppyears:

Aval0n: if you have the slots, I think you should go with the 2 150

[16:57:55]

Aval0n:

floppy really why?

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Kazan:

floppyears: that was solved a long time ago

[16:58:12]

Aval0n:

I was thinking about freeing a slot so I could use the pci wireless G card that I have, I was going to have to buy a usb one

[16:58:27]

Kazan:

some new PVR-500s came out with a new tuner chip and it took a few months for ivtv to get tweaked for them

[16:58:34]

floppyears:

Kazan: some users in this channel still mentioned that to be safe it's better to have 2 150

[16:59:11]

floppyears:

Aval0n: the db delivered to each tuner inside the pvr 500 is less than the db delivered to each pvr 150

[16:59:35]

floppyears:

thus, sometimes the db strenght is not enough to drive both tuners inside the 500

[16:59:43]

Kazan:

ah

[16:59:44]

floppyears:

one of them will work perfectly, but the other one may be blurry

[16:59:53]

Kazan:

that's why you just make sure you have strong signal coming in

[16:59:58]

floppyears:

so in order to be safe, they suggested two 150

[16:59:59]

Kazan:

i have a boosting slipper

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floppyears:

Kazan: what's your setup like ?

[17:00:45]

Kazan:

PVR-150, PVR-500, Kworld ATSC 110

[17:01:00]

floppyears:

all in 1 box ?

[17:01:02]

Kazan:

500GB storage, XvMC capable nvidia card for output

[17:01:09]

floppyears:

wow

[17:01:24]

floppyears:

what's the Kworld ATSC 110 ? and what is XvMC ?

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Kazan:

Kworld ATSC 110 is an ATSC tuner (over the air HD/digital in the united states)

[17:02:23]

Kazan:

XvMC is accelerated mpeg playback

[17:02:32]

Kazan:

(accelerated by the video card hardware)

[17:02:44]

floppyears:

wow

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laga:

what is google?

[17:03:08]

Aval0n:

I have the Kword ATSC 115

[17:03:08]

laga:

;)

[17:03:09]

Kazan:

the ATSC 110 can also tune QAM (cable digital) but most of that is unfortunately encrypted

[17:03:11]

Kazan:

lol laga!

[17:03:34]

Aval0n:

kazan I get all my locals plus TBN C-SPAN and DISCOVERY in QAM :)

[17:03:54]

Kazan:

Aval0n: you have a much more polite local franchise than i

[17:04:10]

Kazan:

i can get four out of my five locals... but they've renumbered them

[17:04:12]

Aval0n:

who is your provider?

[17:04:21]

Kazan:

mediacom, Ames IA

[17:04:23]

Aval0n:

mine are all goofy numbered too

[17:04:27]

Aval0n:

ahh

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Kazan:

that messes up the listings no?

[17:04:55]

Kazan:

though.. GolTV comes through unencrypted in the clear.. it's the spanish feed of it :(

[17:05:03]

Aval0n:

oh

[17:05:04]

Aval0n:

dang

[17:05:16]

Aval0n:

Kazan there isn't a way to assign chans to listings?

[17:05:23]

Aval0n:

I havn't built my mythtv box yet

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Kazan:

WTB: linux support for that ATI external cablecard box

[17:05:31]

Aval0n:

i just use the software in win that it came with for now

[17:05:36]

Kazan:

yeah... i don't feel like manually doing it

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Aval0n:

ahh

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Aval0n:

Kazan is it really all that much work?

[17:08:39]

Aval0n:

anyone know if there is channel for mvpmc

[17:08:40]

Aval0n:

?

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Kazan:

aaaaw cute.. my wife is taking a nap and our 6 year old cat and our kitten are sleeping with her

[17:09:10]

Kazan:

cannels.conf = PITA afaik

[17:09:15]

Kazan:

channels*

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Aval0n:

PITA?

[17:09:32]

Aval0n:

oh

[17:09:34]

Aval0n:

I got it

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Aval0n:

:)

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** Aval0n hands Kazan some Prep-H **

[17:10:10]

Kazan:

?

[17:10:12]

Kazan:

oh lol

[17:10:34]

Aval0n:

you like your kworld?

[17:10:45]

Aval0n:

I was hoping I didn't make a bad desicion gettin mine

[17:10:45]

Kazan:

yeah

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Aval0n:

Kazan let me ask you this

[17:10:59]

Aval0n:

on that 500

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Aval0n:

you said there is a db drop for the 2nd card

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Kazan:

i didn't say that

[17:11:12]

Aval0n:

but if you have to give a seperate card

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Aval0n:

oh

[17:11:17]

Aval0n:

someone else did

[17:11:18]

Aval0n:

woops

[17:11:19]

Aval0n:

:P

[17:11:22]

Aval0n:

floppyears

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Aval0n:

you have to use a splitter to give a totally seperate feed to the 2nd card anyway

[17:11:41]

Aval0n:

so that's like another 7.4db drop

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Kazan:

yeah... the 500 has an internal splitter

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Aval0n:

you using analog cable kazan?

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ARfdee:

hi, help please

[17:16:34]

ARfdee:

myth starts on my second monitor but a few pixels below where it is supposed to

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floppyears:

Aval0n: People just mentioned that to be safe it was better to use 2 150, and since I had the pci slots, I decided to go with that.

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kslater:

better is subjective

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Dagmar:

floppyears: In practice, the "safety" doesn't much matter, since the chances of a hardware failure are pretty low in the first place

[17:18:03]

kslater:

and it would likely as not be a disk drive

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kslater:

maybe a PS first

[17:18:22]

Dagmar:

Sooner or later I'm probably going to pin someone saying that down and make them demonstrate statistically how they arrived at this conclusion that two 150's are "safer"

[17:19:15]

kslater:

my point to that discussion a few days ago was two cards provide a backup should 1 fail.

[17:19:55]

kslater:

also the guy had 1 pvr 150, adding a second (he had slots) was cheaper than getting a 500

[17:20:00]

Aval0n:

floppy said that due to a db drop on one card

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Aval0n:

one tuner may appear fuzzy

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kslater:

wouldn't know about that

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Kazan:

a PVR-500 is literally two cards on one board

[17:20:52]

Kazan:

one head can fail and the other still functions

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Kazan:

only part that will kill both at once is if the PCI-to-PCI bridge dies

[17:21:05]

laga:

or the pci bridge could fail ;)

[17:21:07]

laga:

heh

[17:21:51]

kslater:

lots of factors. hard to make hard and fast decisions. becomes more of a subjective call

[17:22:29]

Aval0n:

with 2 pvr 150's installed do you have to modprobe the modules twice?

[17:22:37]

Aval0n:

or does it detect 2 on the first probe?

[17:22:43]

floppyears:

Aval0n: you can look in the logs, this channel logs the info and it's somewhere in google

[17:22:55]

Aval0n:

huh?

[17:23:49]

floppyears:

you can do a google search, and it might come up with more data

[17:23:57]

Kazan:

single modprobe

[17:24:01]

floppyears:

or more comments to help you decide

[17:24:10]

Aval0n:

regarding the 500 floppy?

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Kazan:

one modprobe hits my 150 and 500

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Aval0n:

kazan cool thanks

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Aval0n:

anyone running ac3 passthrough mod?

[17:26:17]

Aval0n:

ok next Q then :)

[17:26:40]

Aval0n:

is watching a dvd though mythtv easy enough that my wife wouldn't have a problem transitioning from a DVD player?

[17:27:12]

g3k:

just select dvd from the menu

[17:27:27]

g3k:

you can even have it monitor the drive and autostart

[17:27:35]

Aval0n:

and myth can pause rw and ffw just as well as a DVD player?

[17:27:40]

Aval0n:

excellent

[17:27:41]

floppyears:

Aval0n: yes, do a google search for mythtv-users hauppage 500

[17:27:43]

Aval0n:

thanks g3k

[17:27:49]

floppyears:

or something like that and the logs for this channel should come up

[17:27:56]

Aval0n:

cool floppy

[17:27:58]

Aval0n:

thnx

[17:28:04]

Aval0n:

i can't wait to get my box setup

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Hoxzer:

it might be better to use external player instead internal. Xine is good

[17:28:09]

Aval0n:

and get rid of dishdvr

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g3k:

better than a dvd player because it allows you to skip "manditory trailers

[17:28:17]

Aval0n:

my wife is upset about losing WE and oxygen

[17:28:17]

Aval0n:

lol

[17:28:19]

Aval0n:

but oh well

[17:28:22]

Aval0n:

she's ok with it

[17:28:29]

Aval0n:

g3k !!

[17:28:32]

Aval0n:

really?!?!

[17:28:38]

Aval0n:

thank GOD

[17:28:41]

Aval0n:

I HATE that crao

[17:28:44]

Aval0n:

crap*

[17:28:54]

Aval0n:

i remember going from VHS to DVD thinking wow no ads!

[17:28:55]

Aval0n:

this is awesome

[17:29:10]

Aval0n:

then they started having a few and I was like dang, but at least I can skip them

[17:29:14]

Aval0n:

then they made them mandatory

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Aval0n:

big peave of mine

[17:29:50]

ARfdee:

hi when i start mythtv it starts the display a few pixels below where it should, so i can still see the desktop background

[17:29:52]

ARfdee:

how do i fix that?

[17:29:53]

g3k:

I use the internal player and have no problems

[17:30:57]

Aval0n:

g23 when you say autoplay the dvd?

[17:31:04]

Kazan:

you know congress was considering making it illegal for them to no-skip flag comercials on DVDs

[17:31:05]

Aval0n:

do you mean auto play the actual movie or just the disc?

[17:31:07]

Kazan:

naturally they caevd

[17:31:13]

Aval0n:

g3k*

[17:31:17]

Kazan:

Xine doesn't respect the no-skip flag :D

[17:31:34]

g3k:

I assume start the movie

[17:31:46]

Aval0n:

that would be flipping sweet

[17:31:57]

Kazan:

it autoplays the DVD

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g3k:

monitor dvd drive is an option in the dvd setup menue

[17:32:02]

Kazan:

ie starting at the beginning of the DVD like normal

[17:32:18]

Aval0n:

ahh too bad there isn't a way to force it directly to the play menu

[17:32:28]

Kazan:

make sure to setup commands for xine in your lircrc

[17:32:39]

Kazan:

yes.. bind a remote key to go to the menu

[17:32:41]

Kazan:

like i have :D

[17:32:42]

g3k:

pull up the osd and select title menu

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Aval0n:

nice

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Aval0n:

kazan are you using the logitech 520?

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Aval0n:

or was that someone else I was talking to

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Kazan:

no

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Kazan:

i

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Aval0n:

ok

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Kazan:

i'm using a serial receiver and a generic 8-in-one remote from RadioShack

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Aval0n:

cool

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Kazan:

brand new FC7 install.... 700mb of updatse

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Aval0n:

0_o

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GreyFoxx:

ARfdee: Most people use the tool xvattr to change the colour of the XV window from blue to black so that they don't notice it. OR turn up overscan to push it past the visible portion of the screen like it's suppose to be

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ARfdee:

GreyFoxx: i mean, it didn't used to do this. i have to hold down the alt button and move up the screen a few pixels

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ARfdee:

i was just wondering how to make it start in the correct place

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GreyFoxx:

Oh

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GreyFoxx:

What program is this?

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GreyFoxx:

I assumed you were referring to myth when you started playback, not to an external application

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Aval0n:

on mythtv's guide menu is there a page up/down and single chan up/down command?

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Aval0n:

trying to plan how i'm going to configure the remote controle

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Aval0n:

control*

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Kazan:

eww our poor kitten

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Kazan:

she has a cold

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Kazan:

she's coughing in the most disturbing/pathetic manner

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Aval0n:

cats don't usually catch colds... you better have it checked out

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Aval0n:

poor things

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Kazan:

she's on antibiotics

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Kazan:

she's a 13 week old kitten we got from a shelter

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Kazan:

that's where she got the cold

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Aval0n:

ahhh

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Aval0n:

bummer

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Kazan:

it's starting to break up.. hence her hacking cough.. the phlegm is breaking up

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Aval0n:

i see

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Aval0n:

it's not pissing and shitting everywhere is it?

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floppyears:

Kazan: I hope your kitty feels better

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Aval0n:

me too

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Kazan:

she feels better than she did last week before we went on our trip

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Kazan:

we came home from a run to chicago to watch Chicago Fire vs Columbus Crew and she was feeling terrible – would barely move (this was when the cold first set in)

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Kazan:

got antibiotics.. then we had to run on a trip out to the east coast to see the wife's parents and grandparents so the pet sitter was administering the antibiotics

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Kazan:

kitty is up and playing and being a pest

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Kazan:

waking us up at night by attacking our feet

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gbee:

Kazan: heh, mine does that, likes climbing under the cover and biting my feet

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gbee:

thought she'd grow out of it, but she's now 5 months and still likes to do it

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KaZeR:

mine is 2 years old and still does it :)

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KaZeR:

well, a little less.

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KaZeR:

then only thing she stopped to do is climbing myself to my shoulders. which hurts :)

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pembo13_com:

how do you guys handle changing device names

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pembo13_com:

?

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pembo13_com:

like video0 -> video1 , etc

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Kazan:

udevrules

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Kazan:

make rules for symlinks

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floppyears:

why does the device change names ?

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Kazan:

boot load order can be random

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Kazan:

DRIVER=="ivtv", SYSFS{name}=="ivtv? encoder MPEG", ID=="0000:00:0b.0", SYMLINK+="pvr_150"

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Kazan:

ID is the PCI ID

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pembo13_com:

Kazan, where would i put thtat in?

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Kazan:

in a udevrules file

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pembo13_com:

Kazan, thanks... will give that a try in a few

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Kazan:

on fedora those are in /etc/udev/rules.d/

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pembo13_com:

Kazan, about to attempt....

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Kazan:

k

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pembo13_com:

Kazan, i'm assuming the numeric prefix is the priority?

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Kazan:

yeah

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Kazan:

really just a way of triggering a load-order

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pembo13_com:

Kazan, is it really "ivtv? or "ivtv" ?

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Kazan:

ivtv?

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Kazan:

it's a wildcard

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pembo13_com:

Kazan, what makeup the 0000: ?

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Kazan:

the ID is PCI ID

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Kazan:

take what lspci shows you

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Kazan:

and append 0000:

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Kazan:

to the front

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pembo13_com:

Kazan, so 0000:02:0b.0

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Kazan:

yup

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Kazan:

infact.. i believe that is the exact ID of one of my PVR-500 heads :P

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pembo13_com:

when i do lspci -n, i see a third column with 4 digit numbers

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Kazan:

nope 02:08.0 and 02:09.0 are my 500 and 00:0b.0 is my 150

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pembo13_com:

ok

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Kazan:

don't use -n

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Kazan:

just lspci

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pembo13_com:

this is it, 02:0b.0 0400: 4444:0016 (rev 01)

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pembo13_com:

ok

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Kazan:

don't use lspci -n

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pembo13_com:

i have a wintv pvr 250, and a wintv fm by the way

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pembo13_com:

ok

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Kazan:

use lspci

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Kazan:

get the paste?

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pembo13_com:

got the paste, just trying to make sense of it all

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pembo13_com:

this is my lscpi, http://rafb.net/p/pCURYB61.html

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Kazan:

all you need to do is use my 150 line

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Kazan:

rename the symlinks to 250

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Kazan:

and change the ID appropriate

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Kazan:

there is a writing udev rules faq around somehwere.. google it and then you can write your own rule for the other devices

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pembo13_com:

Kazan, yah.... already did so.. was just trying to make sense of it all

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pembo13_com:

what driver its the frame grabber?

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pembo13_com:

bttv?

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Kazan:

bbtv

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Kazan:

bttv*

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Kazan:

udevinfo will answer all that

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pembo13_com:

oh, thanks... didn't know about that

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Kazan:

udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/video0)

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pembo13_com:

i just tried udevinfo --path=/dev/video1 --attribute-walk

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Kazan:

ok

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Kazan:

my rules don't work anymore

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Kazan:

just updated from fc5 to fc7

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pembo13_com:

ah..saying i shouln't use yours then>

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Kazan:

maybe not

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Kazan:

fix is easy

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Kazan:

change "DRIVER==" to "DRIVERS==

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pembo13_com:

have to change the sysname too... doing so now

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pembo13_com:

bttv seems to be right

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pembo13_com:

Kazan, next question, do i have to reboot to try the rules? or is there a better way?

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pembo13_com:

Kazan, still here?

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Kazan:

yeah

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Fnc:

any idea when where going to be able to sign up and pay for so SD?

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Kazan:

udevtest pembo13_com

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Kazan:

fnc: when they enable it

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GreyFoxx:

Fnc: very soon

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Kazan:

which probably requires them to write the routines :D

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GreyFoxx:

the immediate changes to myth are trivial

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Fnc:

Kazan guess that means you dont know.. thanks

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Fnc:

thanks GreyFoxx

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pembo13_com:

Kazan, thanks.. .wil try

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Kazan:

ok.. backend is running.. but i cannot connect to it... wtf

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gbee:

_is_ it running? If it's failed to start correctly you won't be able to connect, so does the backend log contain any errors?

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Kazan:

already fixed it

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Kazan:

i needed to run /sbin/start_udev with my fixed rules and service mythbackend restart

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pembo13_com:

Kazan, when i run udevtest, i get devpath parameter missing

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Kazan:

show me your rules

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Kazan:

oh

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Kazan:

nevermind

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Kazan:

udevtest $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/video0)

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Kazan:

(udevinfo will give you the paths)

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pembo13_com:

Kazan, ok

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jthomas_work:

does any1 have here Virgin Media box ?

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pembo13_com:

Kazan, here's the output... http://rafb.net/p/JROMxt89.html .. doesn't look like what i want

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Kazan:

ok.. lemme see your rule

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Kazan:

it's doing the default system actions

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Kazan:

it doesn't appear to have included your rules file

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Kazan:

is your file in /etc/udev/rules.d

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pembo13_com:

Kazan, yes... will paste

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pembo13_com:

it did put in my rules... custom.rules

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Kazan:

oh

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Kazan:

i expected something like NN-ivtv.rules

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Kazan:

lemme see your custom rules

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pembo13_com:

Kazan, http://rafb.net/p/t8lioe90.html

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Kazan:

change DRIVER to DRIVERS

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gbee:

jthomas_work: yes

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pembo13_com:

Kazan, did so.. output doesn't look different

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pembo13_com:

Kazan, http://rafb.net/p/dNhDGP47.html

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pembo13_com:

Kazan, could it be that priority number is too high?

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Kazan:

no

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Kazan:

lemme see udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/video0)

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pembo13_com:

yah that file is long

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pembo13_com:

hold

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Aratsu:

Hey all, I'm having a bit of trouble trying to get my HDTV wonder to view QAM stations, anyone have any success at doing this?

[19:57:10]

Aratsu:

I've scanned and gotten a channel list, and azap gives me a lock

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Aratsu:

but mythtv doesn't seem to find anything.

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Kazan:

not familiar with HDTV wonder

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Kazan:

what chipset is it running

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Aratsu:

nxt2004

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Aratsu:

it uses the same chipset as the Aver a180

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Aratsu:

(and firmware)

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Kazan:

hmm

[19:58:15]

Kazan:

tried the wiki?

[19:58:17]

Aratsu:

Yeah

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Kazan:

no idea then

[19:58:25]

Aratsu:

Just a bunch of people saying they've gotten it to work

[19:58:27]

Kazan:

i use a Kworld ATSC 110

[19:58:33]

Aratsu:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6212

[19:58:41]

Aratsu:

I posted a bunch of info on there a little while ago

[19:58:43]

pembo13:

Kazan: http://rafb.net/p/lkzHLk11.html

[20:00:01]

Kazan:

hmm that should work

[20:00:04]

Kazan:

i don't see why it isn't

[20:00:05]

Aratsu:

It seems as if it should work, but i'm getting some errors that I can't find any replications of on the intarwebs

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pembo13_com:

Kazan, any other suggestions?

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Kazan:

sry no time

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Aratsu:

Also getting a bunch of "2007-08–14 16:01:36.225 DVBTuning Error: Invalid symbol rate parameter '0', aborting." when I do the channel scan in mythtv-setup

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pembo13_com:

KazanAFK, cool

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DustyBin:

is there any difference between using your distros package of mythtv and the svn trunk?

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jthomas_work:

does any1 know how to go to AV channel on PVR-150 ?

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laga:

!seen any1

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MythLogBot:

any1 has not been seen here

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Toxicity999:

great grammar. =[

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Toxicity999:

lol

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jthomas_work:

heh

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jthomas_work:

:)

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jthomas_work:

thank you

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Toxicity999:

Nah I was making fun of the bot for saying it like that.

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gbee:

jthomas_work: there isn't an AV channel, just different inputs – composite/svideo

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gbee:

I don't really have the time to explain how that works and how to setup mythtv to work with the composite/svideo inputs of the PVR-150, but someone might be able to point to a good guide for that exact situation

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jthomas_work:

heh in Virgin book we can read: Switch your TV to the AV channel tuned to Virgin

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jthomas_work:

hmm.. so how can I do it, if I have only PC tuner

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PSU:

NightMonkey: are you around?

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mkrufky:

Aratsu: looks like you're tuning into encrypted channels

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Aratsu:

Hrm

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Aratsu:

Really?

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Aratsu:

That's the problem?

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mkrufky:

does it work in windows, for QAM ?

[21:24:54]

mkrufky:

thats what it LOOKS like

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mkrufky:

i cant say for sure

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Aratsu:

No, HDTV wonder doesn't support QAM in windows.

[21:25:01]

mkrufky:

where do you live?

[21:25:02]

Aratsu:

Only with the A180 firmware in linux

[21:25:06]

Aratsu:

Augusta, Georgia, USA

[21:25:12]

mkrufky:

yeah, they added support in the later driver

[21:25:17]

mkrufky:

(ati)

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Aratsu:

Not in the windows driver.

[21:25:25]

mkrufky:

download the new driver in windows and try it out

[21:25:29]

Aratsu:

Really?

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mkrufky:

are you sure?? i heard otherwise

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Aratsu:

I'm using the latest in windows

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mkrufky:

you're using the driver from the cd?

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Aratsu:

On a new install of XP MCE

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mkrufky:

oh

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Aratsu:

No, I'm using the one from the ATI site.

[21:25:58]

mkrufky:

well THATS why

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Aratsu:

No QAM.

[21:26:02]

mkrufky:

MCE doesnt support qam

[21:26:09]

Aratsu:

Vista supports QAM?

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Aratsu:

meh.

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mkrufky:

windows just sucks

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Aratsu:

Yeah I agree.

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mkrufky:

ok, whatever.... instead:

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mkrufky:

you say there were 68 services found?

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Aratsu:

Yeah.

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mkrufky:

i hate to say it.... but...

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mkrufky:

you should try THEM ALL

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mkrufky:

or...

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Aratsu:

When I use mythtv's scanner, it only scans 7 of them.

[21:27:14]

mkrufky:

i dont trust mythtv's scanner

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** Aratsu laughs. **

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mkrufky:

maybe it works, but i dont trust it

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Aratsu:

I've tried using mplayer to test each one, but when I tune it in azap and try to load it in mplayer, it says it's trying to play something, but it just sits in the console.

[21:28:28]

Aratsu:

doesn't do anything.

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mkrufky:

you have to specify -r to azap

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Aratsu:

lemme try this

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mkrufky:

otherwise it will not send the TS to the dvr device

[21:29:17]

mkrufky:

for instance:

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mkrufky:

azap WNYW_DT -r (leave that running, open a new shell) mplayer /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0

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Aratsu:

Hrm, okay.

[21:30:09]

Aratsu:

I ran through one and said no stream.

[21:30:12]

Aratsu:

Lemme run through them all.

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mkrufky:

good luck

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Aratsu:

gracias

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Aval0n:

anyone know if the wireless hauppauge mvp works with mythtv?

[21:30:59]

DustyBin:

ohh nooooooo everything was working soo nice and wonderful with the new drivers.. but now it says 'Error was encounted while displaying video'

[21:31:02]

DustyBin:

:-*

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Aratsu:

now with loading mplayer through command line should I be seeing a video window somewhere, if in fact it tunes something?

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Aval0n:

is there a chat channel for mvpmc?

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mkrufky:

Aratsu: only if you tuned a clear, non-encrypted stream

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Kazan:

grr stupid binary drivers

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Aratsu:

mkrufky, Thanks a lot.

[21:36:02]

mkrufky:

works now, Aratsu?

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Aratsu:

No, just thanking you for the info. Been trying to get some help on this for a while ;)

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Aval0n:

no one knows if the WIRELESS version of the hauppauge mediamvp work sfor mythtv?

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mkrufky:

Aval0n: is the NON-wireless version work for it ?

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mkrufky:

s/is/does

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mkrufky:

Aratsu: ah, ok. .. well, you're welcome

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Aval0n:

yes

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Aval0n:

mkrufky: yes it does...

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mkrufky:

ah, i see now .. (i googled it)

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mkrufky:

theres no reason it wouldnt work with the wireless version

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mkrufky:

...provided that the mvpmc image has support for the wireless nic

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mkrufky:

i dunno tho — im just guessing

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mkrufky:

you should try it and tell US

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Kazan:

grr

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Kazan:

updated my distro

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Kazan:

now i have a problem... with nvidia binary drivers... moment anything openGL is touched.. xserver crash

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Kazan:

it's a conflict.. i've seen it before.. just need to remember how to fix it

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mkrufky:

Kazan: remove all instances of the nvidia driver

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mkrufky:

then add it back

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mkrufky:

.... if that didnt work, then you didnt remove *all* instances

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mkrufky:

you must keep in mind that the kernel stub and the binary module itself must be the same version

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Kazan:

hmm

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Kazan:

good call

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janneg:

mkrufky: I don't trust the mythtv scanner. but I know that it works for DVB standard complient streams

[21:43:08]

Kazan:

wee rpm erase crashed!

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Aval0n:

mkrufky: I would like to but I don't have 120+ to blow just ta let you guys know

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Aval0n:

that's why i'm trying to do my research before I pull the trigger on buying things

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Aval0n:

:)

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mkrufky:

janneg: im sure it does... i think it works for atsc/qam as well. ...

[21:44:01]

mkrufky:

yeah, it does — i used it once

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mkrufky:

Aval0n: ah, ok

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Aval0n:

if it is the same device

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Aval0n:

with just a wireless nic on it

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Aval0n:

I should be able just to add the module I need

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Aval0n:

or add it to the image before I flash

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mkrufky:

yeah, most probably

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Aval0n:

but I'm just worried there's been hardware changes

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Aval0n:

if it's eeprom chip it's being stored on I might not be able just to copy it over

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Kazan:

still crashes

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Aval0n:

I wish there was a chat for mvpmc or a way of getting a hold of the devbs

[21:45:29]

Aval0n:

devs*

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mkrufky:

whatever the case is, if its not supported yet, im sure it will be eventually, so long as that mvpmc project is active

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janneg:

mkrufky: it works also for raw mpeg stream (only PAT and PMT) without DVB or ATSC tables

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mkrufky:

janneg: oh cool

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mkrufky:

janneg: i hope you're not offended... in general, i love mythtv, i just think it's not good to use for testing, when you dont even know if your card / driver works

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mkrufky:

btw, i got a nasty crash yesterday on my backend

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mkrufky:

i'll pastebin the log

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mkrufky:

(but i have to leave in a few minutes, so we'll probably have to talk more later)

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mkrufky:

now that they're replaying HEROES, suddenly i have the case of failed recordings again :-(

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Aval0n:

dang man

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Aval0n:

I keep hearing ppl say that

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Aval0n:

I thought once mythtv was setup right

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Aval0n:

it was solid

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janneg:

the scanner has to handled with care since it modifies user editited values

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Aval0n:

does it have a lot of issues that you have to keep up on>?

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janneg:

mkrufky: I blame HEREOS

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mkrufky:

heh

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janneg:

;-)

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mkrufky:

its my favorite show, and i cannot be forced to watch it live

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mkrufky:

janneg: i really should

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mkrufky:

oops wrong paste

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mkrufky:

janneg: http://pastebin.ca/657490

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mkrufky:

"So You Think You Can Dance" recorded successfully, then "Heroes" recording began, and stopped a minute or two later

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mkrufky:

yeah, whatever .... i have to record "So You Think You Can Dance" for my sister

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mkrufky:

anyway, ive never seen a crash like THIS one before ,.... and i see no reason why Heroes failed to record

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mkrufky:

(i thank my lucky stars that this was an older episode of Heroes- — had it been a new one i'd be fuming)

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mkrufky:

...and this was the first failure in months

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janneg:

mkrufky: looks like a NULL pointer or a socket error. a backtrace of that crash would be great.

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mkrufky:

there's nothing in syslog

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mkrufky:

the machine itself did not crash

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mkrufky:

only mythbackend crashed

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janneg:

it might be a good idea to move pixmap creation to its own proccess instead of using a thread

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NightMonkey:

Uh, someone ping me?

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mkrufky:

are you talking about the thumbnail generation?

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janneg:

mkrufky: yes

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NightMonkey:

PSU: U ping me?

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mkrufky:

janneg: i have seen the mythweb recordings page cause the backend to crash, so i agree that would be a good idea

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mkrufky:

ok, i've got to go home

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mkrufky:

i'll try to come back when i get home

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mkrufky:

ttyl

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janneg:

good bye

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mkrufky:

bye

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janneg:

mkrufky: I'm going to bed soon

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PSU:

hi guys, i can't get the tv (tuner) to show up in mythtv but when i run # cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test_capture.mpg and play it back i get video fine

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PSU:

in other words, when i click on "watch tv" or even record, i get a black screen

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NightMonkey:

PSU: You're running a PVR-350, right?

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PSU:

NightMonkey: yes!

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PSU:

there used to be a setting to display output or something — in the older version for pvr-350's, right?

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PSU:

i can't find it...

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NightMonkey:

PSU: You need to load the ivtv_fb module with "osd_compat=1".

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PSU:

hmm, let me check thought i did that but may have commented it out

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PSU:

NightMonkey: so on this line, i would add that at the end?

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PSU:

install ivtv /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install ivtv; /sbin/modprobe ivtv-fb

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otwin:

PSU: if the card does not show up in mythtv-setup, i would check the permissions on it. i.e.is mythtv user part of video group

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NightMonkey:

PSU: I don't know what that line is from – but the last command "/sbin/modprobe ivtv-fb osd_compat=1" I think should do it.

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PSU:

otwin: the card does show up

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PSU:

NightMonkey: okay i will try

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otwin:

PSU: ok – can't help you with pvr-350's tv-out though – is it even still supported?

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NightMonkey:

otwin: Yep, it is.

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Kazan:

hmm compilation can find /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXvMCNVIDIA

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PSU:

heh – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/users/36388

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Kazan:

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 128748 2007-06–22 01:11 /usr/lib/nvidia/libXvMCNVIDIA.so.100.14.11

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Kazan:

just had to fix a symlink :D

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otwin:

PSU: aah, i knew i had read something about support being dropped – but as it seems only partly

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PSU:

yeah, unreal

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PSU:

i think i may go back to an older version

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PSU:

i had it working but my db got messed up:/

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PSU:

this is painful

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otwin:

well it is cheaper to buy a pvr-150 and cheap nvidia card – but if you have the pvr-350... i have one too and it was really expensive when bought it years ago and now it is in the backend...

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PSU:

trying these instructions now

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PSU:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/281389

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Aval0n:

ok guys, what's your opinion, I just got this new motherboard, I was looking for an onboard spdif connector to jumper to my hdmi enabled video card

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Aval0n:

I didn't find the pins

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Aval0n:

but I found a place for the pins to solder to

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Aval0n:

you think that spot is active?

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Aval0n:

like if I soldered the wire direct to the solder points?

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Aval0n:

impossible to know for sure I know, just wanna get what you guys think

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Aval0n:

:)

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Tanthrix:

My money would be no

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NightMonkey:

At this point, I don't know what "PVR-350 support being dropped" means for myth. Might mean code rot for the pieces that do support it, but the ivtv devs may provide workarounds. Dunno, but for now I'm happy with it.

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Tanthrix:

If they had the capability, they would have added the two pins (practically nothing in costs) and added that to the feature list

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GreyFoxx:

NightMonkey: Code rot

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GreyFoxx:

unless someone else starts submitting pathes

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stuarta:

it means that none of the devs have the hardware so it's kinda hard to maintain

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NightMonkey:

GreyFoxx: Do you think that the code that's rotting will be explicitly removed in the next major rev?

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GreyFoxx:

I doubt it

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** NightMonkey shudders at the thought **

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GreyFoxx:

only if it completely breaks and stays that way for a while

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stuarta:

but it would be better if someone stepped up sooner rather than later.

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NightMonkey:

Hans over at ivtv has a PVR-350 that was donated to him – I'd hope that he'd continue to make "fixes" like osd_compat for myth PVR-350 tv-out users. But, I know it's dicey for how long, especially with more people going for HDTV.

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Kazan:

um.. why are you using a 350 for output

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NightMonkey:

Kazan: High fidelity SD output.

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NightMonkey:

Kazan: Low CPU usage.

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Kazan:

i've heard differently about the first one

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Tanthrix:

Second one is irrelevent on anything but the oldest hardware

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Tanthrix:

But, that's what makes myth great – loads of support for difference devices.

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NightMonkey:

Kazan: Well, I did a visual test comparing line in from my sat box and the tv-out of the 350, and saw little difference. Of course, you have to use high enough bitrates to see that.

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PSU:

ok, so if i have an nvidia card in this pC that also had tv-out, can i just use that?

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NightMonkey:

Tanthrix: Well, I'm running on a Athlon MP 1600. It's just nice to be able to use the box for other things; even IO contention is minimized.

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PSU:

use the pvr-350 for recording and nvidia for output?

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GreyFoxx:

PSU: That's most most pvr 350 owners do

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PSU:

GreyFoxx: heh, damn; now i need to figure out how to do that!

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NightMonkey:

PSU: Sure. I actually have console output going to the on-board nvidia card.

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NightMonkey:

PSU: Gets rid of the grief that the first gossamer-threads thread details.

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PSU:

NightMonkey: hrm, what would i need to change to use the output from the nvidia? besides finding the right tv-out cable!~

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PSU:

ok cool

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PSU:

can u help? :P

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NightMonkey:

PSU: Well, since I don't do that, I'm not sure how much I can help... :|

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PSU:

ok, no worries

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NightMonkey:

PSU: I should think that if you want to do that, you can just ignore all the references you find to the PVR-350 TV-out, and go with configuring the nvidia output.

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Kazan:

wtf Can't locate ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm in @INC

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PSU:

ok

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PSU:

NightMonkey: it may almost be easier to start from scratch :P

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PSU:

my nvidia is only in black/white

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PSU:

ok back to the drawing board

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PSU:

exit

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PSU:

:P

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DustyBin:

the new nova-t 500 driver doesnt work :(

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DustyBin:

it just hung the same as before, but this time the signal strength zooms up to 99

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DustyBin:

then nothing happens

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DustyBin:

"The tuner should have locked to the channel by now...@

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DustyBin:

maybe i need to turn off EIT

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