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| [00:00:09] | GreyFoxx: | but after a while IT's planned to be moved to their own machines and they can offer more data/enhancements |
| [00:01:17] | a1fa: | like what? |
| [00:01:55] | GreyFoxx: | Too soon to say |
| [00:02:09] | a1fa: | not much you can enhance really |
| [00:02:11] | GreyFoxx: | Righgt now there is a lot of data per show that isn't being used |
| [00:02:43] | a1fa: | this means, everyone will have to upgrade their mythtv pretty soon? |
| [00:03:02] | GreyFoxx: | There will be a new release before Sept 1 |
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| [00:03:18] | GreyFoxx: | or people can update their xmltv and use that instead if they don't wanna update myth |
| [00:04:15] | floppyears: | so what themes do you guys use with mythtv ? |
| [00:04:34] | laga: | i use iulius because i'm low on memory |
| [00:04:45] | GreyFoxx: | floppyears: I use A Variety, but mostly MythCenter and Blootube and Gray-OSD |
| [00:05:20] | a1fa: | hey GreyFoxx |
| [00:05:26] | a1fa: | what does --enable-proc-opt do? |
| [00:05:31] | laga: | ah, i need to install a nice OSD theme |
| [00:05:36] | laga: | blue.. is not that great |
| [00:05:39] | a1fa: | i need to buy new video card |
| [00:05:40] | GreyFoxx: | a1fa: Not sure, I've never used it |
| [00:05:57] | a1fa: | xvMC? |
| [00:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | some sort of processor specific compiler options |
| [00:06:24] | a1fa: | pok shower time |
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| [00:07:36] | laga: | hum |
| [00:08:04] | laga: | i'll never understand the miracle of ssh and public/private keys |
| [00:10:25] | JackStorm: | ok other than apple and BBC Motion Gallery, where else can I find HD content to really stress my system? |
| [00:12:57] | Bearcat: | JackStorm: look at the last link on http://www.pchdtv.com/ |
| [00:13:08] | Bearcat: | JackStorm: under "downloads" |
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| [00:13:51] | laga: | is that a mpeg-2 stream? that won't stress your system a lot |
| [00:14:01] | Bearcat: | i donno |
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| [00:14:10] | laga: | bah, slow server |
| [00:14:13] | JackStorm: | I'm looking at it/getting it right now |
| [00:14:17] | JackStorm: | it's a small file :( |
| [00:15:16] | JackStorm: | I'v been playing bbc-blue_m1080p.mov and wink_m1080p.mov |
| [00:15:21] | Bearcat: | laga: I'm seeing a picture in mythtv that has good color, but it has some jagged lines, some motion slowness and a lot of pixelation. I'm thinking i may need a faster system |
| [00:16:06] | Bearcat: | i'll ask the list |
| [00:16:09] | a1fa: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkUqaCHmrME |
| [00:16:13] | a1fa: | ftw |
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| [00:16:16] | laga: | Bearcat: your system is fast enough for SDTV. did you increase the resolution and bitrate? just use the maximum value for testing |
| [00:17:34] | JackStorm: | Bearcat: this is a better file http://images.apple.com/movies/us/hd_gallery/ . . . k_m1080p.mov |
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| [00:22:47] | JackStorm: | Bearcat: and this one http://images.apple.com/movies/us/hd_gallery/ . . . e_m1080p.mov along with http://images.apple.com/movies/us/hd_gallery/ . . . c_m1080p.mov |
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| [00:29:16] | Anduin: | lyricnz: If you have qt-3.3.8 it is probably the the Qt unloading MySQL bug. |
| [00:30:10] | lyricnz: | I've got exactly that ver. What's the workaround? |
| [00:30:34] | ** Bearcat downloads JackStorm's awesome files ** | |
| [00:30:49] | briand: | lyricnz: install Qt 3.3.7 :) |
| [00:31:10] | Bearcat: | hey laga! It's working, almost! Now the picture looks great, but after about 30 seconds everythings starts moving in slow-motion. |
| [00:31:42] | lyricnz: | have you got a url to the qt bug? |
| [00:32:15] | laga: | Bearcat: hum. ok, what settings have you got now in your recording profile? |
| [00:32:18] | lyricnz: | I notice that HEAD may have been broken yesterday? Something about M_QSTRING_UNICODE – or am I missing a new lib? |
| [00:32:33] | laga: | lyricnz: when compiling mythmusic? |
| [00:32:56] | lyricnz: | Um, sorry, I rolled back, and rebuilt – lost my logs |
| [00:33:06] | laga: | *shrug* |
| [00:33:17] | ** lyricnz has a .spec file that builds from svn head ** | |
| [00:33:25] | lyricnz: | Call me RPM weanie :) |
| [00:33:30] | ** laga has a debian/ dir that builds from svn head ;) ** | |
| [00:33:59] | laga: | lyricnz: i had a similar problem when building mythplugins because my build env had a way-too-old-version of libmyth |
| [00:34:06] | lyricnz: | I'll start it again – I see a dozen files changed since yesterday. |
| [00:34:16] | lyricnz: | There's that chicken-and-egg thing, eg? :) |
| [00:34:20] | laga: | heh |
| [00:34:20] | ** briand has a myth_build dir that builds from svn head, and lyricnz is an RPM weanie. ** | |
| [00:34:33] | laga: | i just fscked up version numbering :) |
| [00:34:37] | lyricnz: | On a working system, I can't upgrade libmyth until everything works, and I can't build until I upgrade libmyth. |
| [00:34:42] | lyricnz: | hahah |
| [00:35:02] | laga: | lyricnz: i use pbuilder to roll my debs. it creates a clean chroot for each new build |
| [00:35:15] | ** lyricnz is _far_ too lazy for that ;) ** | |
| [00:35:49] | laga: | ;) |
| [00:36:36] | JackStorm: | me too, I just svn co ..and go from there. |
| [00:36:38] | Bearcat: | laga: 720x480, MPEG-4, bitrate: 2200, max qual. 2, min qual 15, max qual diff between frames 3, scale bitrate for frame size == true, enable 4MV encoding == true, enable high quality encoding == true, enable interlaced DCT encoding == true and enable interlaced motion estimation == false |
| [00:37:06] | directhex: | JackStorm, x264.nl/h.264.samples |
| [00:37:17] | directhex: | JackStorm, small genuine h264 hd boadcast samples |
| [00:37:18] | ** lyricnz has the sh*ts with his mythbox right now, because I can't get it (nvidia driver I guess) emitting 1080i that my TV will accept. ** | |
| [00:37:35] | lyricnz: | Even though the tv definately works (with my settop box), and the driver appears to support it fine. |
| [00:37:43] | lyricnz: | So I'm SD now over s-video :( |
| [00:38:07] | Bearcat: | lyricnz: i'm doing SD with s-video too! |
| [00:38:08] | briand: | you won't get 1080i out of svideo, anyway... |
| [00:38:14] | laga: | Bearcat: 1) try raising the bitrate 2) disable the checkboxes marked as experimental (two of those "enable interlaced DCT encoding" options) – they might break stuff |
| [00:38:15] | ** Bearcat cries with lyricnz ** | |
| [00:38:19] | lyricnz: | Of course not, I was using component for HD |
| [00:38:30] | lyricnz: | The same cables going to the same ports on the telly |
| [00:38:52] | lyricnz: | The (nv6600) card comes with a RGB breakout cable 'n all |
| [00:38:53] | JackStorm: | directhex: thanks, those better than the links I put? (3 quicktime files) |
| [00:39:13] | laga: | i love how aptitude can turn into a drama queen. i try to remove "ubuntu-mythtv-frontend" and end up having X removed. i do understand why it happens, but it's fscking annoying. |
| [00:39:17] | directhex: | JackStorm, quicktime isn't a realistic test, since nobody is sending quicktime over the air |
| [00:39:19] | lyricnz: | I can see the picture, but the interlace is all fscked up (the rows are offset from each other, resulting in double images) |
| [00:39:32] | laga: | directhex: what is quicktime? h264? |
| [00:39:42] | directhex: | laga, sometimes. maybe |
| [00:39:52] | lyricnz: | You want to know how lazy I am? I'm only up to S01E06 of BSG :) |
| [00:40:08] | laga: | directhex: h264 is used in europe for hdtv |
| [00:40:31] | directhex: | laga, yes, it is. but not in low-bitrate quicktime containers |
| [00:40:40] | laga: | true enough |
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| [00:40:55] | darkfrog: | I have four SATA drives (160gig, 160gig, 240gig, 500gig) and I have a SATA RAID card for the machine. I tried to configured RAID 0 (Striped), but after configuring I only end up with 630ish gig. Can someone tell me why that is? I thought RAID 0 would use the total space on the drives? |
| [00:41:07] | JackStorm: | directhex: true, these files where all 100meg+ for 3min or so runtime |
| [00:41:18] | directhex: | darkfrog, raid0 can only use the smallest drive's size across all drives |
| [00:41:34] | directhex: | darkfrog, i.e. 160*4 |
| [00:41:38] | darkfrog: | ugh |
| [00:42:06] | directhex: | darkfrog, this is true of all raid methods. N disks in an array are treated as identical |
| [00:42:07] | ** lyricnz watches ccache do it's thing. Wheeeeeeeee! ** | |
| [00:42:08] | darkfrog: | directhex, so I should just create an LVM for them then? |
| [00:42:33] | directhex: | darkfrog, you should do whatever you like, given how valuable you consider your data |
| [00:43:03] | darkfrog: | directhex, is the performance going to be better with a RAID versus a LVM if I'm just using it for recording video? |
| [00:43:36] | directhex: | darkfrog, you don't have a disk performance issue |
| [00:43:50] | lyricnz: | Nah, even the crappiest disk is good enough |
| [00:44:11] | lyricnz: | As long as DMA is enabled :) |
| [00:44:24] | directhex: | worst case scenario, you need about 25 meg per second write speed |
| [00:44:37] | lyricnz: | mbit? |
| [00:45:11] | directhex: | mbit |
| [00:45:12] | rooaus: | laga: You install ubuntu-mythtv-frontend on a server and let it pull in X? |
| [00:45:17] | lyricnz: | Which is stuff all :) |
| [00:45:23] | darkfrog: | well, convenience of dealing with hardware RAID versus LVM was actually the primary reason I was trying to go this route. :) |
| [00:45:43] | clever: | lvm raid i think could handle diff sized disks better |
| [00:45:58] | clever: | but some drives will get more slices of data and it wont be perfectly balanced |
| [00:46:07] | lyricnz: | Throw away the 160 GB disks, and just use the other tw o:) |
| [00:46:09] | directhex: | some partitions won't be redundant |
| [00:46:10] | clever: | just because of the fact that some are larger |
| [00:46:15] | laga: | rooaus: i planned to make that box a frontend, but it's too noisy for the living room |
| [00:46:21] | directhex: | and rebuilding in an lvm raid scenario is a PITA |
| [00:46:57] | darkfrog: | I guess I'll go LVM...thanks. :) |
| [00:46:59] | rooaus: | laga: Sorry I meant a "server install", the minimum installed packages, then installed myth |
| [00:47:10] | laga: | rooaus: yes, i did that. |
| [00:47:41] | ** jams becomes lost in a sea of code ** | |
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| [00:48:01] | directhex: | jams, you are in a maze of twisty methods, all alike |
| [00:48:11] | briand: | jams: could be worse. you could be caught in a sea plus plus of code... |
| [00:48:13] | rooaus: | laga: The problem is that aptitude thinks that X was installed for myth, when you uninstall myth it cleans up the auto packages, one being X. |
| [00:48:20] | directhex: | briand, very good \o/# |
| [00:48:27] | laga: | rooaus: i know why it happens. it's just really annoying |
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| [00:48:27] | jams: | heh nice |
| [00:48:43] | rooaus: | laga: NP |
| [00:48:44] | directhex: | use apt-get if you don't want orphan removal |
| [00:48:58] | laga: | directhex: aptitude will remove them sooner or later |
| [00:49:05] | directhex: | well, yes! |
| [00:49:23] | laga: | i know i can do "apt-get install <package>" to make it as *not* auto-installed, but aptitude doesn't seem to respect that for some reason |
| [00:49:41] | rooaus: | laga: you can also mark the packages as hold I think in aptitude. |
| [00:49:46] | rooaus: | brb |
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| [00:50:13] | directhex: | laga, so aptitude install <package> |
| [00:51:22] | laga: | hum, that worked. thanks |
| [00:59:38] | Aval0n: | guys if I'm not worried about HD, for a front end... would a 800mhz p3 machine be enough to accept streaming analog video? |
| [00:59:48] | lyricnz: | Probably not |
| [00:59:52] | Aval0n: | not? |
| [00:59:58] | lyricnz: | NOT woried |
| [01:00:01] | lyricnz: | Oh |
| [01:00:07] | lyricnz: | Uh, it depends on your video card then |
| [01:00:21] | Aval0n: | how can a medimvp stream it fine an that not? |
| [01:00:22] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [01:00:22] | lyricnz: | Streaming a SD recording? Over a LAN from a backend? |
| [01:00:30] | Aval0n: | yes sir |
| [01:00:38] | Aval0n: | that's what i'm lookin to do |
| [01:00:49] | lyricnz: | Depends on your video card. |
| [01:01:05] | Aval0n: | I already have a 24/7 slackware 3.0 machine that i've ran for 9 years or so... |
| [01:01:14] | lyricnz: | My 800MHz epia can do it to crt-out but not s-video out (seems like there's a little more processing involved with that). |
| [01:01:23] | lyricnz: | But a real P3 is probably a little faster than an EPIA |
| [01:01:31] | Aval0n: | was thinking about either using that or a hauppage mediamvp |
| [01:01:38] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [01:01:44] | Aval0n: | hauppauge* |
| [01:02:03] | lyricnz: | It worked fine when I used full mpeg hardware, but couldn't play non-native recordings. |
| [01:02:13] | ** lyricnz used a pvr-350 ** | |
| [01:02:19] | lyricnz: | Before I switched to all-digital |
| [01:02:28] | Aval0n: | I just ordered 2 pvr 150s |
| [01:02:31] | Aval0n: | for SD |
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| [01:02:42] | Hoxzer: | :O |
| [01:02:50] | Aval0n: | what's different between thew 150 and the 350 |
| [01:03:01] | lyricnz: | They only do hardware encode, not decode, I think. |
| [01:03:05] | briand: | the 350 has a built-in mpeg decoder and video out |
| [01:03:28] | lyricnz: | Don't you have dvb in your area? |
| [01:03:39] | Aval0n: | dvb? |
| [01:03:43] | Hoxzer: | is there any reason to buy high quality DVB-C card instead of cheap one ? |
| [01:03:49] | lyricnz: | or... what's it called in USA? atsc? |
| [01:03:54] | Hoxzer: | if you are just going to use it for recording stuff |
| [01:03:57] | lyricnz: | Terrestial Digital tv |
| [01:04:00] | Aval0n: | I am going to have 1 machine with the backend and one front end |
| [01:04:05] | Aval0n: | and then a remote front end |
| [01:04:11] | Aval0n: | for the main room |
| [01:04:16] | Aval0n: | I will have HD |
| [01:04:28] | Aval0n: | my machine is going to run a Kworld 115 and 2 pvr 150s |
| [01:04:30] | briand: | Hoxzer: is there any reason to buy a high quality vehicle instead of a cheap one, if you are just going to use it to drive? |
| [01:04:35] | lyricnz: | So you will be streaming HD recordings, even if you're playing SD output? |
| [01:05:19] | lyricnz: | Aval0n? |
| [01:05:20] | Hoxzer: | briand: It is cheaper to use car that uses less gasoline |
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| [01:05:43] | Hoxzer: | so yes. it is good to buy littlebit better car |
| [01:05:52] | briand: | Hoxzer: higher quality != less efficient :) |
| [01:06:07] | Aval0n: | no |
| [01:06:14] | Aval0n: | no stream HD recordings to the other front end |
| [01:06:20] | Aval0n: | Just HD on the main TV |
| [01:06:22] | Hoxzer: | well, I would like to know what "Efficient" actually "means" in my case |
| [01:06:26] | Aval0n: | which I will be using HDMI out for |
| [01:06:33] | directhex: | decoding HD is highly processor intensive |
| [01:06:40] | lyricnz: | That's where I was going |
| [01:06:47] | directhex: | you'll need to transcode the HD recordings to make them playable on an old p3 |
| [01:07:00] | lyricnz: | An 800Mhz machine cannot play a HD stream, even if it is only displaying a SD picture. |
| [01:07:02] | directhex: | i.e. knock the res down, pick a gentle codec like mpeg2 |
| [01:07:06] | briand: | Hoxzer: you say you'll just be recording. well, yeah.. that's what we do with these myth boxes... do you want better quality video? |
| [01:07:29] | Aval0n: | lyricnz |
| [01:07:47] | Aval0n: | my MAIN machine which will have the backend and the main HD front end will be a 3.4ghz p4 |
| [01:07:51] | Aval0n: | with 1gb of ran |
| [01:07:57] | Aval0n: | and a 500gb drive |
| [01:08:02] | Aval0n: | ram* |
| [01:08:14] | Aval0n: | I was just debating what to use for my remote frontend |
| [01:08:19] | lyricnz: | I'll ask again. Will the 800Mhz machine be playing recordings (off the main main) which are _recorded_ in HD? |
| [01:08:25] | Aval0n: | no |
| [01:08:27] | Aval0n: | no HD |
| [01:08:36] | Aval0n: | I am only having local HD channels |
| [01:08:47] | Aval0n: | and if I want to watch those recordings I'll be doing it from the main room |
| [01:08:54] | Aval0n: | I will only be watching analog recordings remotely |
| [01:09:08] | Aval0n: | [06:04pm] <Aval0n> no |
| [01:09:08] | Aval0n: | [06:04pm] <Aval0n> no stream HD recordings to the other front end |
| [01:09:08] | Aval0n: | [06:04pm] <Aval0n> Just HD on the main TV |
| [01:09:13] | Aval0n: | just like I said before :P |
| [01:09:16] | lyricnz: | uuugh, so you'll have content that you can watch in some places, and not others? Sounds aggrivating |
| [01:09:25] | Aval0n: | <Shrug> |
| [01:09:33] | Aval0n: | most of my tv watching will be cable chans |
| [01:09:41] | Aval0n: | which I will not have in HD |
| [01:09:53] | Aval0n: | I dunno |
| [01:10:03] | Aval0n: | I just can't afford another beefy machine for the other front end |
| [01:10:06] | Hoxzer: | briand: yes. is there a differnce in video quality between dvb cards ? |
| [01:10:07] | lyricnz: | Where will the recordings be stored? On local disk, or on remote network? |
| [01:10:21] | Aval0n: | local disk on the box with the mythtv backend and 1st frontend |
| [01:10:34] | lyricnz: | I found local disk to be slower than network, on my machine. |
| [01:10:36] | Hoxzer: | afaik there isn't :/ |
| [01:10:51] | directhex: | there's a difference in how well cards cope with signal issues |
| [01:10:55] | briand: | Hoxzer: i have no first-hand knowledge, but I've seen others write about lower quality video on the cheaper cards |
| [01:10:55] | lyricnz: | Probably because it was an older machine, with a laptop disk, etc. (the whole machine is the size of a PS2) |
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| [01:11:22] | directhex: | there's absolutely no difference in optimal picture quality – there can't be, since the card is just capturing an existing mpeg2 stream |
| [01:11:33] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [01:11:35] | directhex: | but there's a definite difference once your signal strength is low |
| [01:11:48] | Aval0n: | does anyone use ps2s for front ends? |
| [01:11:53] | briand: | directhex: for dvb cards, that is true. analog capture cards, however, is another story.... |
| [01:11:55] | Hoxzer: | kk |
| [01:12:02] | directhex: | briand, the question was over dvb |
| [01:13:43] | Aval0n: | lyricnz do you know how xbox's do as front ends? |
| [01:13:51] | directhex: | poorly |
| [01:13:55] | briand: | ah, thought he was talking about the pvr (analog) cards |
| [01:14:02] | lyricnz: | Nope, I got rid of all my complex stuff. |
| [01:14:10] | lyricnz: | Just have a bug front+back PC in my lounge |
| [01:14:17] | directhex: | not enough ram to run linux sensibly for real mythfrontend, and not entirely functional via xbmc |
| [01:14:24] | lyricnz: | It's way too noisy, but I can't be bothered building a small/quiet PC right now. |
| [01:14:41] | briand: | also might consider, then, the HDHomeRun. 2 digital tuners, zero slots required. ;) |
| [01:16:26] | jblack: | a good place to find front end myth boxes are mom&pop computer repair places. You can often find machines nice for mythfrontend that cost less than a new ps2 |
| [01:16:34] | jblack: | well, new xbox, anyways. |
| [01:18:34] | Aval0n: | anyone know any weird little devices that work well as front ends? |
| [01:18:42] | Aval0n: | without having to spend a foturn |
| [01:18:44] | Aval0n: | e |
| [01:18:56] | directhex: | it's well past sleep o'clock# |
| [01:19:00] | stuarta: | ah the holy grail of mythtv |
| [01:19:06] | jblack: | I tried watching mythtv on my wii. |
| [01:19:20] | Aval0n: | how |
| [01:19:31] | Aval0n: | can gamecubes run mytthv? |
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| [01:19:39] | jblack: | I used the web browser with built in flash support. |
| [01:20:08] | jblack: | unfortunately the wii crashed when trying to play long shows. |
| [01:20:14] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [01:20:17] | directhex: | buffer overflow :o |
| [01:20:32] | jblack: | Otherwise, I would probably have set up mythweb and set up a transcoder to export shows automatically. |
| [01:20:52] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [01:20:58] | jblack: | direct: I don't know that it was a buffer overflow. For all I know, it could simply have run out of ram. |
| [01:21:29] | inteliwasp: | is it posible to display the program gude without a tv card installed? |
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| [01:22:29] | robbins876: | the other day i came in here and had some questions about overheating system |
| [01:22:44] | robbins876: | you guys told me to get some app, like ls_montools or something, anyone recall what it was? |
| [01:23:18] | jblack: | smart utils? For checking drive temp? |
| [01:23:33] | robbins876: | no, processor temp |
| [01:23:36] | jblack: | For the system temp, simply cat /proc/acpi/thermal/temperature |
| [01:23:55] | ** jams gives up for the night ** | |
| [01:23:59] | robbins876: | no such file or directory |
| [01:24:18] | jblack: | Sounds like your system doesn't support acpi. Try lmsensors |
| [01:24:26] | robbins876: | that's what it was! |
| [01:24:56] | jblack: | It's not exactly hard to find with a google search. |
| [01:24:56] | robbins876: | the problem was that it was freezing after a few minutes of use |
| [01:25:06] | robbins876: | so i didn't havem uch time to google anything |
| [01:25:10] | laga: | or "mbmon" |
| [01:25:15] | robbins876: | i still think it's going to freeze |
| [01:25:17] | stuarta: | robbins876: checked you video card fan? |
| [01:25:27] | robbins876: | today it woudln't even turn on, it just beeped and beeped and beeped |
| [01:25:33] | robbins876: | so i took out a stick of ram and it loaded up |
| [01:25:40] | egsavage: | i wonder how many people will now switch to other dvr/tivo solutions with the $15/3 mo pricing in effect for guide data |
| [01:25:43] | laga: | robbins876: memtest86 |
| [01:25:44] | robbins876: | i'm on it now, but it's just a waiting game, i'm sure |
| [01:25:49] | stuarta: | ah, you have dodgy memory |
| [01:25:54] | egsavage: | or try to make a screen scraping solution for the US |
| [01:26:09] | robbins876: | stuarta, you think one REALLY hot day could have fubar my ram? |
| [01:26:35] | jblack: | egsavage: The goal is $20 a year. |
| [01:26:39] | stuarta: | generally no |
| [01:26:59] | robbins876: | stuarta, that's when all of these issues started |
| [01:27:02] | jblack: | They've really stuck their necks out getting a deal set up. I for one intend to support the effort. |
| [01:27:03] | egsavage: | i saw that, but enough people DO NOT go for the guide, the $20/yr won't ever come |
| [01:27:07] | robbins876: | i left my computer on all day and the AC off, and everything went nuts |
| [01:27:32] | stuarta: | k |
| [01:27:49] | robbins876: | so i have no idea...i hate troubleshooting, especially hardware issues |
| [01:28:11] | stuarta: | try laga's suggestion: memtest86 |
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| [01:28:20] | robbins876: | could bad ram cause random lockups? |
| [01:28:26] | stuarta: | yes |
| [01:28:49] | stuarta: | as you proved by removing 1 stick and it boots |
| [01:28:52] | robbins876: | alright, well good thing to know |
| [01:29:12] | jblack: | bad internal hardware of _any_ type can cause random lockups |
| [01:29:29] | stuarta: | which is why hardware problems are a bitch |
| [01:30:26] | robbins876: | true, i hate hardware |
| [01:30:40] | robbins876: | but this is the longest it's been up |
| [01:30:45] | robbins876: | so i think i may have located the problem |
| [01:31:08] | stuarta: | likelyhood++ |
| [01:32:28] | robbins876: | how do i run lm_sensors? I just did /usr/sbin/sensors-detect |
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| [01:32:37] | robbins876: | and it did it's thing, but how do i run the actual app? |
| [01:32:44] | tank-man: | robbins876, how hot does it get in your area? |
| [01:32:54] | robbins876: | it was about 95–100 the day i left it on and the AC off |
| [01:33:07] | robbins876: | plus i live on the 3rd floor of an apartment building, so it was WARM |
| [01:33:11] | Paladine: | anyone recommend a linux friendly dual tuner DVB-S card? |
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| [01:37:19] | jblack: | paladine: I like the pchdtv card (HD-5500) at pchdtv.com because they're a pretty open company. They don't do cablecards though, and some people don't like them because they're framebuffer devices. |
| [01:37:53] | laga: | they're what? framebuffer devices? |
| [01:39:02] | jblack: | I'm not conversant on the details, though I understand the point is that rather than outputting a mpeg stream, they output raw data. |
| [01:39:05] | ** laga waits for aptitude to finish wreaking havoc on his master backend ** | |
| [01:39:12] | jblack: | I could be very wrong though. <shrug> |
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| [01:39:34] | laga: | jblack: ah, that's a "framegrabber". those cards support both. framegrabber mode for SD and ATSC for HD afaik |
| [01:40:11] | robbins876: | having only half my normal ram is drag! But having no computer at all for 2 days was worse |
| [01:40:19] | Paladine: | jblack, but if the raw data is mpeg it shouldn't be an issue right? |
| [01:41:04] | Paladine: | I don't think that card would be suitable for the UK |
| [01:41:16] | jblack: | paladine: I have no idea. I'm still amazed that they can shrink people down willy-wonka style. |
| [01:41:55] | laga: | they can do that? |
| [01:42:00] | Paladine: | well it is ntsc and we are PAL |
| [01:42:04] | jblack: | Every time I watch tv. |
| [01:42:17] | laga: | jblack: awesome |
| [01:42:19] | jblack: | Paladine: I don't know that there's stil the ntsc/pal thing in hdtv land. |
| [01:42:35] | Paladine: | I don't need hdtv either |
| [01:42:38] | jblack: | laga: They have to get squished to squeeze through those wires. |
| [01:42:49] | Paladine: | I need DVB-S |
| [01:43:01] | Paladine: | digital satellite |
| [01:43:02] | laga: | the pchdtv card uses a different standard. europe has got DVB mostly, the US uses ATSC |
| [01:43:47] | jblack: | I must be very confused, because I record hdtv here in the US and it's in dvb mode. |
| [01:43:50] | Paladine: | I need 4 altogether but would prefer to find 2x dual to leaveme with a couple of PCI slots |
| [01:44:02] | jblack: | Broadcast. |
| [01:44:23] | laga: | jblack: the drivers for the pchdtv use the DVB *API*. that's a kernel interface thingamajic. |
| [01:44:30] | Paladine: | hd is dvb-s2 I think |
| [01:44:35] | laga: | the transmission itself it ATSC |
| [01:44:37] | Paladine: | I just want dvb-s |
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| [01:44:57] | laga: | jblack: they re-used the existing DVB infrastructure in the kernel to write the pchdtv driver |
| [01:45:04] | laga: | at least that's how i understood it |
| [01:45:23] | stuarta: | jblack: well the US does broadcast HD over either DVb or ATSC |
| [01:45:48] | stuarta: | while the European satellites are primarily using dvb-s2 for HD |
| [01:46:07] | Baylink: | I'm setting up 0.20.1 from Packman RPMs on SuSE 10.2 for my sis (ATI radeon 9600 with latest ATI drivers from the repo), and I have one weird bug: MPG's are clean recordins, but all on-screen playback is twice as tall as it should be, pushing down off-screen. XV missetting? |
| [01:46:11] | Baylink: | UI is find. |
| [01:46:13] | Baylink: | (fine, even) |
| [01:46:35] | Baylink: | (I checked the MPG over samba with mplayer; it's the full 4:3 image) |
| [01:47:08] | laga: | Baylink: does mplayer -vo xv work on that box? |
| [01:47:22] | Baylink: | I hadn't tried that yet; lemme check. |
| [01:49:22] | Baylink: | with or without the switches, it duplicates the problem. What's the other mode I can try? |
| [01:49:37] | laga: | Baylink: -vo x11 |
| [01:49:51] | Baylink: | Yup, and *that* works ok. Where are the knobs for xv? |
| [01:50:05] | laga: | are you using fglrx? |
| [01:50:17] | stuarta: | that smells like an ati driver bug |
| [01:50:19] | Baylink: | Yep. Latest release from the ATI repo on 7.2 RC 1 |
| [01:50:28] | Baylink: | ie 7.1.99 |
| [01:50:29] | laga: | bah |
| [01:50:34] | laga: | ati driver suckage |
| [01:50:40] | laga: | check the ML, i think it's a known issue |
| [01:50:45] | laga: | Baylink: do you need tv-out? |
| [01:51:15] | Baylink: | Yep. And everything else is fine. I just upgraded from a 9200se to this 9600 because the new X needs newer drivers — which won't run the old card. |
| [01:51:29] | Baylink: | (Card came in jumpered for PAL; that was fun :-) |
| [01:52:27] | Baylink: | Can I emulate X11 from Myth? I'm SD only, and mplayer seemed to be keeping up/ |
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| [01:52:37] | laga: | Baylink: NO_XV=1 mythfrontend |
| [01:52:41] | laga: | or buy nvidia ;) |
| [01:52:59] | Baylink: | Got it. I'll piddle in the xorg.conf, too. |
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| [01:56:19] | Baylink: | Yeah; that fixes it. Ok; off to figure out why XV isn't working right. |
| [01:56:26] | Baylink: | Any ATI people here? |
| [01:57:30] | laga: | um |
| [01:57:37] | laga: | it's probably a bug in the driver. |
| [01:57:47] | laga: | nothing you can fix. check tthe ML, broken Xv is a known issue |
| [01:57:59] | fryfrog: | all the ati people got fed up with their linux drivers and got $20–30 nvidia cards |
| [01:58:13] | laga: | Baylink: here's a good reason not to buy ati: http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.as . . . tionID=26907 |
| [01:58:22] | laga: | hum |
| [01:58:35] | lyricnz: | ATI suxors |
| [01:58:49] | laga: | i just resized an xfs lv. and it didn't blow up. nifty. |
| [01:59:04] | laga: | "Extending logical volume aufnahmen to 456.00 GB" |
| [01:59:11] | laga: | do i need to remount or something? |
| [01:59:14] | ** lyricnz 's laptop has ATI, man what a hassle. ** | |
| [01:59:26] | fryfrog: | nope |
| [01:59:29] | fryfrog: | it just does it |
| [01:59:41] | laga: | fryfrog: hum. df -h still shows the old size |
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| [02:00:11] | fryfrog: | well, try a mount -o remount |
| [02:00:16] | fryfrog: | shouldn't do ya any damage |
| [02:00:29] | fryfrog: | i *think* i offlined mine when i did the xfs_grow, and did a check on it after |
| [02:00:32] | fryfrog: | just to be safe |
| [02:00:59] | laga: | fryfrog: i use lv_extend. xfs is supposed to grow automagically |
| [02:01:06] | laga: | mount -o remount doesn't help. hum |
| [02:01:12] | fryfrog: | uh, i had to use "xfs_grow" |
| [02:01:17] | fryfrog: | why would it grow automatically? |
| [02:01:29] | fryfrog: | xfs_growfs rather |
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| [02:01:44] | laga: | because google told me so |
| [02:01:44] | laga: | http://www.faqs.org/docs/evms/expandxfsfsim.html |
| [02:01:52] | laga: | that's not an lvm manual, though |
| [02:01:58] | fryfrog: | well, i don't use lvm... |
| [02:02:01] | stuarta: | lv_extend merely makes the disk bigger |
| [02:02:11] | stuarta: | the you have to make the filesystem on that disk bigger |
| [02:02:11] | fryfrog: | but when i grew my raid5 array by one disk, it did *not* grow the XFS partition |
| [02:02:27] | fryfrog: | i had to manually use xfs_growfs |
| [02:02:31] | laga: | stuarta: k, thought so, but the intarwebs said it would ahppen automagically. let's see :) |
| [02:03:27] | systemloc: | I'm setting up lirc with a universal remote. I'm not sure what device to program the universal remote to emulate, though. The codes I've tried on the uni remote always support only a subset of the available buttons. Eg: Programming it with the code for a Phillips DVD player causes it not to have volume control available, since DVD players don't have volume control. Any suggestions on a device that has all of the buttons, po |
| [02:03:31] | laga: | xfs_growfs helped. thanks! |
| [02:03:38] | stuarta: | sweet |
| [02:03:42] | ** stuarta heads to be ** | |
| [02:03:45] | ** stuarta heads to bed ** | |
| [02:03:46] | laga: | 56G more diskspace :) |
| [02:03:52] | laga: | same here, g'night |
| [02:03:53] | stuarta: | mmmm |
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| [02:32:11] | lwizardl: | Hi |
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| [02:32:28] | lwizardl: | can someone help me with choosing an antenna for locals & hd |
| [02:32:49] | lwizardl: | i just did a search on antenna web & i get 6 color codes |
| [02:35:28] | robbins876: | hooray, my box still hasn't frozen! Guess it was bad ram, after all! |
| [02:37:29] | Baylink: | Yep: there's a bug, laga: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/AtiProprietaryDriver |
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| [02:45:30] | systemloc: | wtf does "Something went wrong." mean when using irrecord? :( I finally found a code that provides all the buttons on the remote, it's RC-5, and "Something went wrong" when recording the very first button.. Argh! |
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| [02:49:36] | darkfrog: | What's the preferred FS for recordings these days? |
| [02:50:02] | darkfrog: | I had been using XFS, but just went to try out MythDora and it doesn't even list it as an option...is that intentional? |
| [02:52:29] | clever: | i use ext2/3 but i hear its slow to delete large files |
| [02:52:42] | systemloc: | long live ext2/3 :) |
| [02:52:57] | darkfrog: | deleting I don't particularly care about, but is it really going to make a noticable difference anywhere else? |
| [02:53:13] | darkfrog: | So you guys just recommend ext3 across the board? |
| [02:53:25] | darkfrog: | What about Reiser? :) |
| [02:53:38] | Paladine: | hmmm how comes the Neon Wide theme is on the wiki but not in my svn. is it a new theme or something? |
| [02:53:52] | clever: | ive heard that xfs handles deletes better but it cant be shrank which is painfull on lvm when im resizing things monthly |
| [02:54:02] | Paladine: | oh actually none of the user themese are in my svn |
| [02:54:10] | systemloc: | When I read the FAQ, I think they suggested XFS for slightly better performance. I'm a diehard ext2/3 user for everything/anything, though. |
| [02:54:25] | clever: | theres a whole section in the svn trunk called myththemes i think |
| [02:54:31] | darkfrog: | okay....well, they're SATA drives anyway, so ext3 would probably be fine |
| [02:54:45] | darkfrog: | thanks. :) |
| [02:54:59] | clever: | my drives are able to record and play at the same time with ext2/3 |
| [02:55:03] | clever: | but my cpu cant |
| [02:55:10] | systemloc: | time to upgrade :) |
| [02:55:18] | clever: | software encoder crashes if there isnt enough cpu |
| [02:55:26] | clever: | corupts the recordings |
| [02:55:38] | systemloc: | just curious, what CPU do you have? |
| [02:55:39] | clever: | using a seperate frontend 'solves' it |
| [02:55:44] | clever: | 1.6ghz P4 |
| [02:55:59] | clever: | bttv framegrabber card |
| [02:56:05] | systemloc: | yeah, that's woefully underpowered for doing both at the same time, IMO |
| [02:56:20] | clever: | if i switch to rtjpeg it can do it |
| [02:56:26] | clever: | and eat several gig an hour |
| [02:56:29] | systemloc: | lol |
| [02:56:33] | clever: | mpeg4 is 1gig/hour |
| [02:56:50] | systemloc: | takes a lot of horsepower to squeeze video that much |
| [02:57:19] | clever: | 512mb roughtly for 130mins |
| [02:57:22] | systemloc: | can't you pick up a faster P4 chip on the cheap now and swap it out? |
| [02:57:23] | clever: | 30mins* |
| [02:57:37] | clever: | i have a 2.9ghz pc sitting directly ontop of the mythtv box |
| [02:57:43] | clever: | but thats winblows atm |
| [02:58:07] | Baylink: | And there's a fix, on that wiki page. WFM. |
| [02:58:25] | clever: | id have to swap the hdd'sand alot of cards and repair winblows to upgrade the mythtv cpu power |
| [02:58:34] | clever: | and downgrade winblows |
| [02:58:45] | clever: | also the mythtv would loose tvout |
| [02:58:55] | clever: | the 2.9ghz has no agp and onboard video |
| [02:59:04] | clever: | im using a agp card on mythtv to get tvout |
| [02:59:51] | systemloc: | just buy a new, faster P4 chip, yank out the 1.6GHz chip, put in the new chip, and enjoy the added CPU power? |
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| [03:00:09] | clever: | several months ago i added more ram to the P4 box |
| [03:00:15] | clever: | it psysicaly fit |
| [03:00:24] | clever: | but the bios yelled at me about bad ram and cpu settingds |
| [03:00:40] | clever: | i took it out and booted xp back up |
| [03:00:46] | clever: | it ran oddly slow |
| [03:00:52] | clever: | dad's fix all answer is reboot |
| [03:01:03] | systemloc: | lol |
| [03:01:03] | clever: | it locked up durring shutdown and never booted since |
| [03:01:20] | clever: | a new 80gig drive and i switched the system to linux |
| [03:01:34] | clever: | which oddly had 60gig of freespace |
| [03:01:40] | systemloc: | perhaps the ram you bought was not rated to run at the FSB speed of the machine |
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| [03:01:51] | clever: | i dont know where the ram came from |
| [03:02:06] | ** clever finds the image ** | |
| [03:02:21] | clever: | http://clever.mine.nu/pc's/Photo_082806_00a.jpg |
| [03:02:32] | clever: | i raided every single box and unused pc to gather ram up |
| [03:02:46] | clever: | and noticed the bottom 2 in that image fit into the P4 1.6ghz |
| [03:02:54] | systemloc: | I've done that.. had an extra stick of ram rated for a 266MHz bus, but the machine I wanted to stick it in was running at a 333MHz bus. I had to either slow down the bus speed to 266MHz, or abandon the extra ram |
| [03:03:08] | systemloc: | whoa! |
| [03:03:19] | clever: | http://clever.mine.nu/pc's/Photo_082506_005.jpg |
| [03:03:19] | systemloc: | you have some relics there :) |
| [03:03:22] | clever: | i also raided laptops |
| [03:03:51] | clever: | http://clever.mine.nu/pc's/Photo_082806_001.jpg and here is picking a case/motherb for the router pc |
| [03:04:14] | clever: | bottom left box is the mythtv 1.6ghz P4 |
| [03:04:24] | clever: | middle left is the acer 2.9ghz winblows |
| [03:04:42] | clever: | all 3 on the right had 0 ram/hdd(raided:P) |
| [03:05:54] | clever: | http://clever.mine.nu/pc's/Photo_082806_010.jpg |
| [03:05:57] | clever: | more raiding:P |
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| [03:06:31] | clever: | under 100gig totalthere i beleive |
| [03:06:32] | systemloc: | throw those out and go buy you one of those new 1TB drives :) |
| [03:06:39] | clever: | no job |
| [03:06:51] | lyricnz: | Man, that's worse than my wife's PC |
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| [03:06:56] | clever: | I am 20.391289 years old. (I'll be 21 in 31wks 6days 1hr 54mins 19secs.) |
| [03:07:01] | lyricnz: | She's got 1x12GB, 1x20GB, and 1x80GB |
| [03:07:09] | clever: | lol |
| [03:07:30] | lyricnz: | My mythbox isn't much better :( 4 x 320GB |
| [03:07:38] | lyricnz: | and 2 x 400GB |
| [03:07:45] | lyricnz: | So hot and noisy! |
| [03:07:54] | clever: | my media system has a small drive(under 10gig) with ubuntu and win98 dualboot |
| [03:08:01] | clever: | and an external 80gig drive |
| [03:08:22] | clever: | mythtv's home and mythtv itself is installed to the external drive |
| [03:08:31] | clever: | its a slave backend just for storing the files |
| [03:08:33] | systemloc: | noisy? Get a better case :) I have 7 drives in a case and it's almost silent |
| [03:08:51] | clever: | most of the noise from my acer winblows is the fans |
| [03:09:03] | systemloc: | ahh |
| [03:09:03] | clever: | with the speedfan program i can addjust the cpu/case fans |
| [03:09:14] | clever: | i can set it to addjust based on the temps |
| [03:09:21] | clever: | or shut the fans off fully |
| [03:09:34] | clever: | but i dont leave themoff long because of the fact its 2.9ghz |
| [03:09:59] | clever: | the temp is 35c 61c 66c |
| [03:10:09] | clever: | not shure what the temps are for but i can see them |
| [03:10:16] | Paladine: | hmmm how do I use a user created theme? |
| [03:10:35] | clever: | copy it to the themes folder |
| [03:10:37] | Paladine: | I put it in /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes |
| [03:10:46] | clever: | and pick it in mythfrontend |
| [03:10:46] | Paladine: | but it is not showing in the setup |
| [03:10:54] | clever: | restart the frontend? |
| [03:11:07] | Paladine: | dd that already |
| [03:11:17] | clever: | check the other themes in that folder |
| [03:11:22] | clever: | compare how its installed |
| [03:11:35] | clever: | for example you dont just put a tar in there and expect it to work |
| [03:11:54] | Paladine: | all the themese from the official theme pack are in the setup on frontend (and in that folder) but not the one I added |
| [03:12:17] | Baylink: | "People" Search still doesn't search the Cast listing? WTF? (new on 0.20.1) |
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| [03:13:36] | clever: | http://clever.mine.nu/pc's/Photo_090206_001.jpg |
| [03:13:36] | lyricnz: | Most of my noise is the PSU fan. I had a decent aftermarket one, but it went pop, so I had to put the stock one back in. |
| [03:13:38] | clever: | 4 laptops |
| [03:13:51] | clever: | 3 running memtest |
| [03:13:54] | lyricnz: | Gonna build a diskless/almost-fanless HD frontend, when I get around to it |
| [03:14:01] | clever: | 2 center ones are 50mhz |
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| [03:14:26] | clever: | http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/store/motherboards/EPIA_800 |
| [03:14:34] | clever: | that motherboard has onboard tvout |
| [03:14:40] | clever: | and onboard network |
| [03:15:00] | clever: | you could allmost add a psu and sheilding and stuff it INSIDE a normal tv |
| [03:15:05] | clever: | and just hardwire it to the inputs |
| [03:15:19] | ** lyricnz has an epia 800 ** | |
| [03:15:33] | lyricnz: | but an oldish one |
| [03:15:46] | clever: | think you have enough empty space in your tv to mount it in there? |
| [03:15:59] | lyricnz: | Prolly, I have a huge rear-projection CRT :) |
| [03:16:07] | clever: | lol |
| [03:16:17] | lyricnz: | Which I can't get HD going :( |
| [03:16:51] | lyricnz: | Work fine with settop box, but not with nvidia |
| [03:16:53] | lyricnz: | out |
| [03:16:53] | clever: | with some extra work you could put the lirc receiver in the same window as the tv's ir receiver |
| [03:17:27] | lyricnz: | My epia 800 is fanless on the mb, but small fan in the psu |
| [03:17:49] | clever: | is there a 12v line in the tv? |
| [03:17:58] | ** lyricnz shrugs ** | |
| [03:18:12] | clever: | http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/store/itx_power/pw_60a |
| [03:18:24] | clever: | that would convert 12 to the motherboards needed voltages |
| [03:19:31] | clever: | i also have a 12 suply somewhere that i use for charging my thoughbook |
| [03:19:41] | lyricnz: | I'll probably just get a more regular sized media case. The really small stuff is a bit of a hassle. |
| [03:20:02] | clever: | yeah |
| [03:20:07] | Paladine: | nope definitely not working |
| [03:20:12] | clever: | atm i have a video line leaving mymaster backend |
| [03:20:28] | clever: | and going thru the floor to my bedroom |
| [03:20:32] | lyricnz: | Put a core2duo or similar, nv6600 or whatever fanless, diskless pxe boot, and something to handle the IR input. |
| [03:20:34] | clever: | along with a usb extension |
| [03:20:43] | Paladine: | I will ask juski about it tomorrow it is his theme |
| [03:20:58] | ** lyricnz has his regular case hidden behind the tv, and uses wireless keyboard as a remote. ** | |
| [03:21:15] | clever: | my master backend is on the other side of the tv room |
| [03:21:24] | clever: | with a video line running arround half the walls |
| [03:21:45] | clever: | and a mini(keyboard sized) keyboard on several extensions |
| [03:22:24] | clever: | i ordered a 15$ lirc receiver from http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/ about a month ago but dad claims i was riped off |
| [03:25:03] | Aval0n: | if you payed under 20 |
| [03:25:06] | Aval0n: | you're not ripped off |
| [03:25:19] | clever: | dad claims it will never arive |
| [03:25:31] | Aval0n: | oh |
| [03:25:34] | Aval0n: | did you email them? |
| [03:25:40] | clever: | yes i did today |
| [03:25:50] | Aval0n: | any resoponse? |
| [03:25:53] | Aval0n: | even an auto one? |
| [03:26:08] | clever: | not yet |
| [03:26:25] | clever: | it said to include 'ir receiver' in the subject to keep the spam filter from killing it |
| [03:26:28] | clever: | and i did |
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| [03:46:48] | loops: | anyone know if there's a way to stop myth from exiting if you press left-arrow too many times ? |
| [03:47:13] | clever: | you can either tell it to confirm exit |
| [03:47:18] | clever: | or run mythwelcome |
| [03:47:30] | loops: | clever, thx.. will check out mythwelcome |
| [03:47:36] | clever: | when the frontend exits by mistake you go back to mythwelcome and have the option to start the fe back up |
| [03:47:47] | loops: | oh |
| [03:47:53] | clever: | mythwelcome shows basic info and has a button to start the frontend |
| [03:48:17] | loops: | well that's not much different than needing a confirmation.. i just think the same keys used for navigation shouldn't be used for exit |
| [03:48:17] | clever: | and handles lirc so you could fix it from your remote |
| [03:48:33] | clever: | mythwelcome also lessens mem usage when your not using the frontend |
| [03:48:46] | loops: | okay. sounds like it's worth checking out.. thx again |
| [03:48:51] | clever: | left often goes back a menu |
| [03:48:59] | clever: | atthe last menu it exits |
| [03:49:04] | clever: | right often opens menus |
| [03:49:15] | loops: | clever, yeah. i think that's just a bad design |
| [03:49:41] | clever: | the escape key also exits menus and mythfrontend |
| [03:49:56] | loops: | as evidenced by the need for the need of a "are you sure you want to exit" window |
| [03:49:58] | clever: | but the mythwelcome is harder to exit(m then select exit and enter) |
| [03:50:18] | loops: | oops... oops.. i'm repeating myself :) |
| [03:50:21] | clever: | lol |
| [03:54:15] | Paladine: | crap I managed to screw up my themes |
| [03:54:19] | Paladine: | lost my OSD |
| [03:55:02] | clever: | rm the themes and make install from the source dir would put them all back |
| [03:55:33] | Paladine: | it didn't put back the Default and Default-OSD |
| [03:55:37] | Paladine: | so I have no OSD |
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| [03:55:57] | clever: | mythtv@laptop:/usr/local/share/mythtv/themes$ ls |
| [03:55:57] | clever: | blue blueosd classic default defaultosd default-wide DVR G.A.N.T. oldosd |
| [03:56:41] | Paladine: | yeah I have none of the defaults |
| [03:56:53] | clever: | where did you install from? |
| [03:56:53] | Paladine: | paladine@mail:/usr/local/share/mythtv/themes$ ls |
| [03:56:53] | Paladine: | Gray-OSD isthmus Iulius Iulius-OSD Minimalist-wide MythCenter MythCenter-wide Retro Retro-OSD Titivillus Titivillus-OSD |
| [03:57:12] | Paladine: | from myththemes in svn |
| [03:57:25] | ** clever looks ** | |
| [03:57:45] | clever: | default isnt part of that package |
| [03:58:14] | clever: | default is partof the mythtv source code half of svn |
| [03:58:33] | Paladine: | yeah I just noticed that I must have deleted it from /usr/local/.../themes |
| [03:58:40] | Paladine: | how canI get it back? |
| [03:58:50] | clever: | how did you install the core of mythtv? |
| [03:58:59] | Paladine: | svn |
| [03:59:37] | clever: | cd into the source dir and do another make install(or copy from its themes folder) |
| [03:59:44] | clever: | DVR FreeSans.ttf G.A.N.T. blue button_types.txt cpsvndir default-wide dummy.c oldosd themes.pro |
| [03:59:45] | Paladine: | I was trying to install a user contributed theme and everything went t*ts up |
| [03:59:47] | clever: | FreeMono.ttf FreeSansBold.ttf Makefile blueosd classic default defaultosd dummy.o themes themestrings.h |
| [03:59:50] | clever: | mythtv@theP4:~/mythtvbuild/mythtv/themes$ ls |
| [04:00:23] | clever: | you could find defaultosd using 'locate defaultosd' |
| [04:01:13] | Paladine: | just copy the theme folders from the svn source to /usr/../themes/ |
| [04:01:15] | Paladine: | ? |
| [04:01:21] | clever: | somewhat |
| [04:01:30] | clever: | you dont need the files in there just the folders |
| [04:01:32] | Paladine: | do I need any of the other stuff like FreeSans/ttf etc? |
| [04:01:34] | Paladine: | k |
| [04:01:39] | clever: | dont think you needthe fonts |
| [04:02:09] | clever: | theres also a .svn(hidden) that you dont need |
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| [04:05:35] | Paladine: | hmm still not working |
| [04:05:47] | Paladine: | I copied the defaults to /usr/.../themes/ |
| [04:05:59] | clever: | you could just do a make install to have them installed normaly |
| [04:06:14] | clever: | but that is a bit slower and kills the mythbackend that may be running |
| [04:06:28] | Paladine: | if I do make install it will over write my channels etc I presume? |
| [04:06:33] | clever: | nope |
| [04:06:45] | clever: | alll settings are stored in mysql and make install doesnt touch that |
| [04:07:12] | clever: | i do svn update;make;make install every few days |
| [04:07:34] | clever: | sometimes it needs a ./configure or a make clean though to build right |
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| [04:09:06] | Paladine: | k make install worked |
| [04:09:15] | Paladine: | so how do I install the user contributed themes from the wiki |
| [04:09:22] | Paladine: | I tried to install neon-wide and it didn't work |
| [04:09:41] | clever: | what link is the theme at? |
| [04:09:54] | Paladine: | one of juskis |
| [04:09:55] | Paladine: | sec |
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| [04:10:23] | Paladine: | http://www.juski.co.uk/ |
| [04:10:40] | Paladine: | the neon-wide theme |
| [04:11:04] | clever: | mythtv@theP4:~$ wget http://downloads.mythtvtalk.com/mythtv/themes/neon-wide.tar.bz2 |
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| [04:11:38] | clever: | mythtv@theP4:~$ tar -jxf neon-wide.tar.bz2 |
| [04:11:47] | clever: | mythtv@theP4:~$ cd neon-wide |
| [04:12:03] | clever: | looks like thats it(/me copys) |
| [04:12:07] | Paladine: | you doing that from /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes |
| [04:12:18] | clever: | doing it from $HOME |
| [04:13:01] | Paladine: | then copying it to where? |
| [04:13:16] | clever: | root@theP4:/home/mythtv# cp -vir neon-wide/ /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/ |
| [04:13:19] | clever: | `neon-wide/' -> `/usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/neon-wide' |
| [04:13:22] | clever: | `neon-wide/gg-rs-single.png' -> `/usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/neon-wide/gg-rs-single.png' |
| [04:13:25] | clever: | ..... |
| [04:14:07] | clever: | and i was able to pick it without restarting the frontend |
| [04:14:51] | Paladine: | weird wonder why it didn't work for me the first time |
| [04:14:53] | Paladine: | it works now |
| [04:15:11] | clever: | with a normal cp it skips the folder |
| [04:15:17] | clever: | -v showed that msg |
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| [04:15:24] | ARfdee: | hi friends |
| [04:15:37] | ARfdee: | i upgraded mythtv through yum and now i get mythfrontend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.1.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| [04:15:42] | clever: | cp neon-wide/* would have copyed the files and not put them in there own folder properly |
| [04:15:43] | Paladine: | ok now how do I install a user contributed OSD? |
| [04:15:53] | clever: | Paladine: probly the same way |
| [04:16:08] | clever: | i forget where youpick theosd theme though |
| [04:16:22] | Paladine: | yeah thats what I mean |
| [04:16:27] | Paladine: | I don't see where to pick it |
| [04:16:41] | clever: | and my fe looks odd now because i have a wide theme on a 4:3 tv |
| [04:16:41] | Paladine: | that neon-wide theme is damn nice |
| [04:16:57] | ** clever goes diging thru the setup ** | |
| [04:17:18] | ** xris is now taking opinions on lookfeel: http://www.schedulesdirect.org/ ** | |
| [04:17:55] | clever: | found it |
| [04:18:12] | clever: | Paladine: setup,tvsettings,playback |
| [04:18:37] | clever: | xris: better then it was yesterday |
| [04:18:51] | xris: | clever: good, or that'd be 8 wasted hours |
| [04:18:52] | clever: | and it actualy has links:O |
| [04:19:28] | xris: | and login/account creation stuff.. but that's turned off. |
| [04:19:33] | clever: | http://schedulesdirect.org/faq |
| [04:19:34] | clever: | An unknown module was specified |
| [04:22:36] | xris: | where's that link? |
| [04:22:40] | xris: | we don't have content for that page yet |
| [04:22:46] | Paladine: | cool thanks clever |
| [04:22:51] | clever: | its on all the pages(except forum) |
| [04:22:52] | ARfdee: | it's like there's a lot more myth packages now |
| [04:22:54] | ARfdee: | that are required |
| [04:23:08] | lyricnz: | There's a really cool xmltv grabber down here, which queries a bunch of different sources, mixes them together, figures out who is providing the best data for what channels, adds imdb etc, really fscking cool. |
| [04:23:10] | Paladine: | that project grayhem OSD goes nice with the neon-wide theme |
| [04:23:22] | xris: | clever: huh? |
| [04:23:37] | xris: | ah, crap... www vs no-www |
| [04:23:46] | clever: | xris: theres a FAQ link directlyabove the forum/faq link |
| [04:24:06] | xris: | not on www, there's not. |
| [04:24:16] | clever: | whoa big diff:P |
| [04:24:31] | clever: | 4 links disapeared when i added the www. |
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| [04:25:29] | xris: | clever: and they'll stay gone until the code is done.. |
| [04:25:59] | xris: | my code to detect my dev site was only looking for www.schedulesdirect.org |
| [04:26:26] | clever: | ahhh |
| [04:26:37] | clever: | it looks like a redirect now |
| [04:26:42] | clever: | i cant open it without the www. |
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| [04:27:14] | clever: | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found |
| [04:27:14] | clever: | Location: http://www.schedulesdirect.org [following] |
| [04:27:27] | clever: | yep i guessed right:) |
| [04:27:36] | xris: | yup |
| [04:27:44] | xris: | mod_rewrite is my friend |
| [04:27:47] | clever: | lol |
| [04:28:12] | clever: | the dead faq link now redirects to http://www.schedulesdirect.org/faq |
| [04:28:22] | clever: | it put the www. back and its still dead:P |
| [04:28:30] | clever: | was thinking i could bypass the redirect:P |
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| [04:29:48] | xris: | nah, I'm smarter than that. heh |
| [04:30:12] | xris: | it's all the same server.. all of the modules exist. they just don't show up in the menu until I want them to |
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| [04:33:02] | lyricnz: | xris: imho, you might find people more willing to subscribe, if you were more transparent about the financial side of things... (if you can, contracts allowing). |
| [04:33:53] | lyricnz: | Like detailing your actual income and expenses, and how it's being spent, and exactly what it will take for the price to lower to each level. |
| [04:33:54] | Toxicity999: | I actually liked being reassured the cost is based off of subscriber base, and not just some arbitrary number. |
| [04:34:00] | xris: | lyricnz: that caveat you put there is the big thing. |
| [04:34:04] | xris: | we can't talk about prices. |
| [04:34:24] | lyricnz: | Toxicity999: of course, I was thinking that more transparency could be even better. |
| [04:34:32] | lyricnz: | you can't say how much you're paying for the data? |
| [04:34:35] | clever: | tms doesnt want to scare people away with a big price so they hide it? |
| [04:34:48] | xris: | TMS has even complained about comments I've made about our costs in relation to their retail costs (which no one pays, since all costs are negotiated) |
| [04:35:07] | Toxicity999: | that might be cool once it gets going, a write up of total take vs costs for each thing that month. Can't really say right out the door, but once it gets in to swing. |
| [04:35:18] | xris: | lyricnz: all of that financial data will become public record once we get federal nonprofit status |
| [04:35:27] | Toxicity999: | cool. |
| [04:35:28] | lyricnz: | Exactly :) |
| [04:35:42] | lyricnz: | Once it's public, people might feel more interested in contributing. |
| [04:35:44] | xris: | lyricnz: but you still won't see the actual monthly costs of the tms data |
| [04:35:48] | clever: | probly needed that way if youwant to be nomprofit |
| [04:35:54] | lyricnz: | You'll see the total, though, right? |
| [04:35:59] | Toxicity999: | In any case I'm holding on to the 15$~ it'll be out the door =P |
| [04:36:03] | xris: | honestly, no clue. something like that. |
| [04:36:14] | Toxicity999: | I'll make sure I get it as soon as it opens up |
| [04:36:27] | xris: | if we get enough people signing up at $5/month, we'll hopefully be able to just extend the account expirations and drop the price. |
| [04:36:42] | lyricnz: | So people will be able to figure out exactly how the money is spent, and how many subscribers the system has (month to month), and how many are required for each price level? |
| [04:37:00] | Toxicity999: | Are you taking standard donations to figure in too? Or maybe say it costs x a month, but feel free to send more, lol. |
| [04:37:03] | lyricnz: | (Don't get me wrong, if I was in USA, I'd subscribe) |
| [04:37:19] | Toxicity999: | Many users might go for that to help. |
| [04:37:23] | xris: | we still need to build some infrastructure, too.. we're running on borrowed hardware, which will go away (won't be powerful enough) when we start hosting the data ourselves. |
| [04:37:25] | clever: | im in canada |
| [04:37:32] | xris: | currently around 1500 people on the announce list. |
| [04:37:32] | ** lyricnz is in Australia ** | |
| [04:37:47] | ARfdee: | anyone using lirc? |
| [04:37:49] | xris: | (which probably means I should sign up) |
| [04:38:00] | Paladine: | xris, you might be suprised just how much bandwidth you need for the grabber |
| [04:38:09] | clever: | all the stuff i run(mostly services for a game i play) is on my own hardware(which isnt that powerfull but it does the job) |
| [04:38:18] | Toxicity999: | Isn't it fun to be popular? =P It's no incremental thing you get to take on most of the old users of the other service, should be interesting. |
| [04:38:18] | Paladine: | for all you know ther could be hundreds of thousands of users running mythtv in US+Can |
| [04:38:29] | clever: | Paladine: a lack of bandwidth just means the graber takes longer but it wont break |
| [04:38:42] | Toxicity999: | yea, it can grow as needed fairly easily. |
| [04:38:50] | clever: | lack of mem or hdd space can cause bigger problems though |
| [04:38:52] | Toxicity999: | but overshooting and being in the hole would suck |
| [04:39:01] | Paladine: | I wasn't suggesting it would break |
| [04:39:12] | Paladine: | but it would be interesting to see how much bw is used |
| [04:39:25] | Toxicity999: | for sure, I'll love to see those stats. |
| [04:39:28] | Paladine: | would be a good way to gather stats on the number of US/Can users too |
| [04:39:33] | xris: | Paladine: we have numbers from zap2it... bandwidth is far less important than cpu power |
| [04:39:37] | clever: | compression and incremental updates would lower bw usage |
| [04:40:09] | clever: | cpu power to extract the chosen channels from the db and compress the list up |
| [04:40:21] | xris: | the whole "custom listings for every user, on the fly" thing really hurts the servers |
| [04:40:31] | clever: | i run a mysql server for other stuff(and mythtv) and it can eat alot of cpu/hdd bw if the index's arent made right |
| [04:40:32] | Toxicity999: | It's weird, I know user end it'll be pretty much the same old thing, but I kind of am excited about a new service. Lol. |
| [04:40:37] | Paladine: | xris, you considered implimenting some sort of p2p backend for distributing the data? that would be much less of a cpu hit |
| [04:40:44] | xris: | Paladine: can't do that |
| [04:40:59] | clever: | xris: but if 2 people have the same listing(default for the provider) would that speed some up some? |
| [04:41:03] | Toxicity999: | Why not? |
| [04:41:07] | Paladine: | isn't it just an xml file like xmltv uses? |
| [04:41:12] | xris: | Toxicity999: not allowed |
| [04:41:35] | xris: | clever: we have a number of ideas about how to handle it. the simple solution is to put the lineup management into the client. |
| [04:41:37] | Toxicity999: | that's weird, it's the same thing to the users, closed system. |
| [04:41:50] | xris: | Toxicity999: welcome to lawyer-land |
| [04:41:53] | Toxicity999: | lol |
| [04:41:55] | clever: | xris: then the client just asks for channels a,b,c...? |
| [04:42:03] | xris: | clever: or linup Y |
| [04:42:09] | clever: | ahh |
| [04:42:13] | Toxicity999: | It's a bitch talking to people about technology and money who have _no clue_ isn't it? |
| [04:42:17] | clever: | and if Y isnt what youwant copy Y and custimize |
| [04:42:19] | Toxicity999: | it 98% of lawyers =P |
| [04:42:22] | Toxicity999: | *ie |
| [04:42:33] | clever: | lol |
| [04:42:37] | xris: | clever: yeah. just put the "enabled' flag in the mythtv db instead of at zap2it |
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| [04:42:55] | xris: | my lineup manager for SD is better than the labs one, though.. you can shift-click checkboxes to select ranges, etc. |
| [04:43:06] | clever: | what if 2 people copy and make the same changes to a lineup? |
| [04:43:15] | clever: | could the server merge them in a copy on write method? |
| [04:43:24] | xris: | clever: at the moment, zap2it is still hosting the lineups/downloads, so we have no control over that |
| [04:43:30] | clever: | ahh |
| [04:43:41] | xris: | it's their commercial service (DataDirect) rather than Labs. |
| [04:44:12] | Paladine: | ah well I guess I have one thing to be grateful about being in the UK for |
| [04:44:16] | Toxicity999: | if you happen to know, is zap2it going to have 14 day ahead data on the day of closing? Like if I updated early morning on the 1st would I be set for a 2 week transition? |
| [04:44:51] | xris: | Toxicity999: it should be exactly the same as now. |
| [04:45:04] | xris: | with slightly more data about each show (which they didn't give to labs). |
| [04:45:30] | clever: | i find the subtitle for some shows/channels comes and goes right now |
| [04:45:40] | clever: | so mythtv doesnt allways know which episode it is |
| [04:45:46] | xris: | annoying |
| [04:45:47] | Toxicity999: | well yea, I didn't mean transition to the new service, but any clue of on the 1st, would they still have data till the 15th, or do they just cut off all data after the 1st? |
| [04:45:59] | xris: | Toxicity999: I have no idea |
| [04:45:59] | robbins876: | I can't explain how pumped i am that it was my ram that was bad |
| [04:46:02] | clever: | also some of those shows air twice a day |
| [04:46:04] | xris: | probably for the 2 weeks |
| [04:46:17] | clever: | so if im not carefull with the rules i can record pairs of duplicates |
| [04:46:27] | xris: | I don't think their system is smart enough to limit to a date range.. just N days out. |
| [04:47:09] | clever: | do they even have data past 14 days? |
| [04:47:22] | clever: | they could just be giving all info they have and not have anything past that themself |
| [04:47:33] | jams: | bah..the contact page doesn't like a user agent of opera. |
| [04:47:49] | Toxicity999: | haha opera |
| [04:47:52] | Toxicity999: | *hides* |
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| [04:48:35] | Toxicity999: | ack soda choke Oo |
| [04:49:06] | xris: | jams: huh? opera's supposed to use the standard moz* pattern. I checked at wikipedia |
| [04:49:11] | xris: | jams: send me your user agent string |
| [04:49:44] | xris: | clever: I do think that TMS has a "long range schedules" product.. no clue how accurate it is, and I expect that it costs more. |
| [04:49:52] | jams: | that information is outdated, they stopped doing a while ago. |
| [04:50:01] | clever: | xris: ahh:S |
| [04:50:19] | xris: | jams: ahh. well, send it along. I just want to catch bots, since my personal feedback form gets spammed with all kinds of wacky stuff |
| [04:50:40] | clever: | but i can guess that star gate has been airing at timeslot x for the past month so i couljust fill that in until inf(until i see otherwise) |
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| [04:51:13] | clever: | and just fill in episode names seq from a wiki page |
| [04:52:10] | Toxicity999: | Random thought, do you guys have any plans to try to serve other countries? A more unified listings system'd be kind of cool. |
| [04:52:35] | clever: | yeah that would help with other countrys id think |
| [04:53:02] | clever: | just means more contracts and more cpu/bw usage |
| [04:53:11] | jams: | xris "Opera/9.21 (X11; Linux i686; U; en)" |
| [04:53:12] | Toxicity999: | It's even entirely free use in some countries pala_d_ine was telling me. |
| [04:53:21] | xris: | jams: ok. easy enough to fix. |
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| [04:53:57] | pembo13_com: | how can i choose what tvcard to use? |
| [04:54:06] | pembo13_com: | i put in a new one, and would like to test it out |
| [04:54:11] | jams: | not that i expect alot of opera users |
| [04:55:08] | clever: | pembo13_com: you could add it as a second card and then maybe addjust the card priority so it uses the new card first |
| [04:55:31] | pembo13_com: | clever, well the first card is at priority 1 |
| [04:55:41] | pembo13_com: | and the second is at priority 2 |
| [04:55:41] | clever: | set the new card to +2 then maybe |
| [04:55:45] | pembo13_com: | i am getting 1 |
| [04:55:48] | pembo13_com: | ok |
| [04:56:01] | pembo13_com: | i hit 'N', and i seem to getting some picture in pictur |
| [04:56:09] | clever: | and set the channellisting the same as the 1st and wire it to the same cable |
| [04:57:01] | clever: | check keys.txt |
| [04:57:02] | Toxicity999: | I don't even have my first tuner card till monday =] cheapo hauppage, 53$, newegg lovins. |
| [04:57:04] | pembo13_com: | clever, didn't think i had to set the channel listing again |
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| [04:57:15] | pembo13_com: | well i'm here:-> http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html |
| [04:57:18] | xris: | jams: fixed; it'll go out the next time I roll code. |
| [04:57:19] | pembo13_com: | not really the clearest |
| [04:57:20] | clever: | you can just put the same source on the 2nd card i think |
| [04:57:41] | pembo13_com: | clever, did that |
| [04:57:42] | clever: | use the same listing/source on both cards |
| [04:57:46] | pembo13_com: | well it seems to be working |
| [04:57:51] | clever: | - V toggle Picture-in-picture on or off |
| [04:57:52] | pembo13_com: | so far only picture in picture |
| [04:57:55] | pembo13_com: | yah |
| [04:57:57] | pembo13_com: | wastching that |
| [04:57:58] | clever: | that would let you use both at once |
| [04:57:59] | pembo13_com: | about to attemot |
| [04:58:03] | pembo13_com: | N worked furst |
| [04:58:09] | clever: | - N swaps the two channels by changing channels on both cards. |
| [04:58:14] | pembo13_com: | yah |
| [04:58:16] | pembo13_com: | so that worked |
| [04:58:17] | pembo13_com: | cool |
| [04:58:30] | jams: | thanks |
| [04:58:32] | clever: | i only have 1 card atm |
| [04:58:38] | pembo13_com: | i love the the fact that PVR cards don't need their own sound card |
| [04:58:39] | clever: | and its a ugly frame grabber |
| [04:58:42] | clever: | eats cpu |
| [04:58:47] | pembo13_com: | i have to haupes |
| [04:58:49] | pembo13_com: | yah |
| [04:58:56] | pembo13_com: | i have a WIntv FM originally |
| [04:59:00] | pembo13_com: | and it sucks CPU |
| [04:59:04] | clever: | my card has its own sound jacks but instead of messing with btaudio i just used the onboard sound card |
| [04:59:06] | pembo13_com: | so i got a PVR250 |
| [04:59:09] | pembo13_com: | i suspect it uses a lot less |
| [04:59:18] | pembo13_com: | clever, ah, cool |
| [04:59:36] | pembo13_com: | well mine maybe has, i've noticed some tvaudio thing |
| [04:59:41] | clever: | mine also has its own tuner but i just used the external digital box |
| [04:59:41] | pembo13_com: | never really bothered with it though |
| [05:00:05] | pembo13_com: | ah |
| [05:00:07] | pembo13_com: | yah |
| [05:00:17] | pembo13_com: | basic cable only comes to my machine |
| [05:00:19] | clever: | the ir blaster is a tad flaky |
| [05:00:22] | pembo13_com: | digtal box is in another room |
| [05:00:33] | clever: | sometimes it records channel 2 instead of 20 |
| [05:01:12] | pembo13_com: | i seemed to have messup my aspect ratio |
| [05:01:32] | clever: | - W Cycle through zoom and fill modes: force 4:3 aspect ratio, force 16:9 aspect ratio, 4:3 Zoom (like Pan and Scan), 16:9 Zoom, 16:9 Stretch. |
| [05:02:20] | pembo13_com: | ok... maybe i didn't |
| [05:02:28] | pembo13_com: | maybe it's a bug |
| [05:02:45] | pembo13_com: | yah.... it says it's at 4:3, but was still seeing letter box |
| [05:02:54] | pembo13_com: | after changing channels a bit, it fixed up |
| [05:03:05] | pembo13_com: | will attempt to recreate |
| [05:03:09] | clever: | my tv has a button to projectthe imconning image with aletterbox |
| [05:03:17] | clever: | it just shortens the image some |
| [05:03:29] | pembo13_com: | ah,,, cool |
| [05:04:01] | clever: | if i tell mplayer that the monitor is 16:9 |
| [05:04:03] | clever: | hit that button |
| [05:04:04] | pembo13_com: | well there's defintely a bug |
| [05:04:08] | clever: | and open a widescreen avi |
| [05:04:15] | pembo13_com: | mythtv is confusing ratios |
| [05:04:20] | clever: | it will use the full bandwidth of the video cable |
| [05:04:50] | clever: | and the black bars are from the tv not protecting the electron beam there(instead of waisted space in the videosignal) |
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| [05:05:07] | clever: | imguessing it might give me more rows per inch |
| [05:05:07] | pembo13_com: | clever, tv? i'm using a monitor |
| [05:05:20] | clever: | ahh |
| [05:05:35] | clever: | the button is basicaly like grabing the V-size knob and giving it a twist:P |
| [05:05:49] | clever: | im using tvout here |
| [05:06:45] | pembo13_com: | ahh.. not that advanced yet |
| [05:06:54] | pembo13_com: | well the PIP is at the wrong aspect ratio too |
| [05:07:19] | clever: | i had switched a xp boxto linux when badram killedxp |
| [05:07:31] | clever: | and didnt bother taking the tvout card out |
| [05:07:40] | clever: | then i got bored and shoved the bttv card in it |
| [05:07:46] | clever: | dad claimed idnever find drivrs |
| [05:07:59] | pembo13_com: | haha |
| [05:08:05] | clever: | ubuntu seemsto have the kernel side driver for everything installed(at all times) |
| [05:08:10] | clever: | it auto loaded on boot:P |
| [05:08:18] | pembo13_com: | clever, kinda monolithic, but cool |
| [05:08:21] | pembo13_com: | using fedora here |
| [05:08:28] | clever: | but i had no idea it used the v4l interface |
| [05:08:33] | clever: | or what i could use to access that |
| [05:08:35] | pembo13_com: | my final question for now would be... how do i know which card i have on main |
| [05:08:40] | clever: | so i spent weeks trying to interfacewith it:P |
| [05:08:49] | fryfrog: | All the major distros compile everything as modules |
| [05:08:59] | fryfrog: | hardware is autodetected (for the most part) and the module loaded |
| [05:09:06] | clever: | and all the modules are in 1 giant package for ubuntu |
| [05:09:11] | fryfrog: | bttv is a very popular (and crappy) card, no surprise it worked |
| [05:09:27] | clever: | my isa onboard sound card wasnt autoloading its module |
| [05:09:33] | clever: | for a diff system |
| [05:09:34] | fryfrog: | it'd probably have worked in a version of redhat/debian/gentoo from 2000 or so :p |
| [05:09:49] | clever: | i gotthe card from my uncle |
| [05:09:59] | fryfrog: | it can depend on the hardware, and ISA isn't always "plug and play" either |
| [05:10:01] | pembo13_com: | ahh |
| [05:10:02] | clever: | the cd that came with it only worked under 95/98 |
| [05:10:07] | pembo13_com: | i've found the magic key |
| [05:10:08] | fryfrog: | though the "newer" ISA cards should be |
| [05:10:09] | pembo13_com: | 'Y' |
| [05:10:16] | clever: | fryfrog: it isnt a card:P |
| [05:10:21] | fryfrog: | oh, sorry |
| [05:10:24] | fryfrog: | built in you said |
| [05:10:24] | clever: | fryfrog: onboard sound |
| [05:10:27] | clever: | yet still isa:P |
| [05:10:34] | fryfrog: | odd for it to be built in *and* ISA |
| [05:10:39] | clever: | yeah |
| [05:10:43] | fryfrog: | is it on a very old p1 or 486 board? |
| [05:10:48] | fryfrog: | *maybe* P2 or P3? |
| [05:10:54] | clever: | the pci/isa slots are on a removable board/tray |
| [05:11:04] | clever: | the cpu is on a large card |
| [05:11:25] | clever: | model name : Pentium II (Deschutes) |
| [05:11:25] | clever: | cpu MHz : 399.040 |
| [05:11:43] | clever: | thats the cpuinfo for the system with a onboard isa sound card |
| [05:11:51] | clever: | snd_cs4236 |
| [05:11:58] | clever: | and the modulename for the 'card' |
| [05:11:59] | fryfrog: | wow |
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| [05:12:22] | clever: | it bearly works for a frontend |
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| [05:12:42] | clever: | mythfrontend actualy runs faster then my 1.6ghz mbe somehow for non playback |
| [05:13:08] | clever: | the theme scaling thing goes by alot faster |
| [05:13:22] | clever: | even though the cpu is under half the speed |
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| [05:29:28] | Paladine: | juski, love your neon-wide theme dude, I just installed it earlier |
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| [05:29:50] | juski: | Paladine: sheesh you get up early |
| [05:29:57] | Paladine: | and PG osd works well with it to |
| [05:30:02] | Paladine: | I haven't been to bed yet |
| [05:30:06] | juski: | I'm no longer a fan of that theme. it needs a kick up the anus |
| [05:30:39] | Paladine: | juski, I like it it goes with the Ubuntu Studio theme nicely |
| [05:30:43] | juski: | it's what I currently use, but that doesn't mean I like it |
| [05:35:47] | xris: | clever: ok, there's your FAQ. |
| [05:35:56] | xris: | well,the parts of it that I could write... |
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| [05:52:34] | GreyFoxx: | was about to go when IS aw this |
| [05:52:38] | GreyFoxx: | oops |
| [05:58:41] | Kernel: | hello all 2 quick questions. Can i make the time the volume display is displayed for?. id like it to disapear quicker. and also can i make the volume display more transparent? |
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| [06:03:10] | juski: | Kernel: 1. you can specify the OSD timeout in mythfrontend's tv playback settings. The WHOLE OSD, not just the vol. control. 2. you can make any OSD item more transparent by simply editing the OSD theme graphics. No other way, and that's the way I like it (uhuh uhuh) |
| [06:03:42] | Kernel: | haha |
| [06:04:16] | Kernel: | ok i did see the osd timeout but i set it from 2 to 1 and it didnt seem to change the time it took |
| [06:05:30] | juski: | FYI for settings changes to take hold you have to go all the way to 'finish' – changes aren't stored until you select 'finish' |
| [06:05:58] | Kernel: | yea. i had figured that out previously ;-) |
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| [06:11:15] | ** juski renames the mythtv-users mailing list to 'top posters anonymous', just for fun ** | |
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| [06:13:24] | rooaus: | My name is Roo, I am a top poster and I have a problem. |
| [06:17:00] | floppyears: | quick question guys, what's the most popular theme used with mythtv ? |
| [06:17:07] | Kernel: | juski: can you give me any more info on how to make them more transparent? im using the blootube-osd. ive looked through the theme directory and the osd.xml . but i dont see anything about transprencys...or even the volume bar |
| [06:21:09] | rooaus: | Kernel: Gimp is your friend. |
| [06:21:12] | juski: | Kernel: easy. just edit the graphics |
| [06:21:25] | clever: | Kernel: you can also hide any osd thing instatly with the backspace key |
| [06:21:53] | Kernel: | hmm ok. didnt think of that..was thinking it was a setting |
| [06:22:59] | rooaus: | Kernel: No, it is not a setting. Would be nice if the .xml had an alpha property but unfortunately it doesn't. |
| [06:23:27] | juski: | rooaus: no it wouldn't be nice at all. then a theme designer couldn't fix it |
| [06:24:04] | juski: | wouldn't be hard to put it in the code, but I'm hardly likely to do that since I don't want it myself |
| [06:24:34] | Kernel: | how exactly do iadd more transparency with the gimp? |
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| [06:25:31] | rooaus: | juski: I know what you mean, you spend a lot of time getting it right only to have users butcher it. But I find that the OSD sometimes get's in the way and end up skipping back and trying to clear the OSD to see stuff. |
| [06:25:48] | xris: | jams: contact page work for you now? |
| [06:28:26] | floppyears: | quick question |
| [06:28:32] | floppyears: | are there 2 types of themes ? osd and regular ? |
| [06:28:42] | floppyears: | are there more types ? |
| [06:28:56] | rooaus: | floppyears: menus as well |
| [06:31:25] | floppyears: | thanks rooaus |
| [06:31:47] | rooaus: | np |
| [06:31:48] | juski: | just use linuxmce – it's all one big F.O. transparent mess ;) |
| [06:32:26] | rooaus: | haven't even looked at the video... saw you took a swing though :) |
| [06:33:03] | floppyears: | is paypal a good and secure enough service ? I once overheard someone that works on a bank saying that paypal is not good or cause trouble. |
| [06:34:50] | lyricnz: | paypal are a pain. |
| [06:35:07] | lyricnz: | They pretend to be a bank, but : |
| [06:35:10] | lyricnz: | (a) don't pay interest, no matter what your balance is |
| [06:35:27] | lyricnz: | (b) freeze accounts without any real reason, and it takes months to get stuff unfrozen |
| [06:35:30] | juski: | mmmuuhhhh. whine, moan. paypal. etc |
| [06:35:45] | lyricnz: | (c) don't offer and kind of guarantees, liability, etc; like a bank is required to |
| [06:35:48] | juski: | you have a choice. use them, or not |
| [06:36:01] | floppyears: | how much $$ is it custom to deposit in a paypal acct ? |
| [06:36:07] | floppyears: | is there a minimum or something ? |
| [06:36:10] | lyricnz: | And what exactly would be the choice, for services that only offer paypal payment? |
| [06:36:10] | floppyears: | to open an acct ? |
| [06:36:26] | juski: | lyricnz: to use that service, or not |
| [06:36:33] | Anduin: | floppyears: As mentioned on the list there are several only slightly sucky ways to limit your risk when using them. |
| [06:36:35] | ** lyricnz waves to xris ** | |
| [06:36:45] | ** lyricnz has never, I think, deposited any money into his paypal account. ** | |
| [06:36:47] | juski: | and you don't need an account. you can use a prepaid debit / debit or credit card to pay |
| [06:37:07] | xris: | lyricnz: me, neither |
| [06:37:11] | lyricnz: | But it's easier to put on sites, than the alternatives |
| [06:37:13] | xris: | I just use a cc |
| [06:37:22] | ** lyricnz is mostly cash-in not cash-out ** | |
| [06:37:24] | xris: | yeah. we've started messing with google checkout, but it's apparently a bit of a pain |
| [06:38:08] | floppyears: | juski: what do you mean a prepaid debit ? |
| [06:38:25] | Anduin: | floppyears: Think gift card. |
| [06:38:43] | floppyears: | Oh, you can buy paypal gift cards ? |
| [06:39:06] | Anduin: | floppyears: I don't think so, but Visa ones. |
| [06:39:22] | floppyears: | oh, yes that |
| [06:39:54] | juski: | whichever payment system SD opted for, there'd still be whining – guaranteed |
| [06:40:01] | floppyears: | It's just that I've never used paypal and wanted to get the real info about it from you guys since I will have to get an acct to get an acct for the tv listings |
| [06:40:12] | juski: | you don't need an account! |
| [06:40:20] | juski: | a paypal account I mean |
| [06:41:18] | floppyears: | oh, I just saw the updated sd site |
| [06:41:54] | xris: | :) |
| [06:42:05] | ** xris should take a break from working on it for awhile ** | |
| [06:43:57] | floppyears: | xris: looks good |
| [06:44:02] | xris: | thx |
| [06:44:15] | xris: | need to finish the backend so we can let people create accounts |
| [06:44:22] | floppyears: | xris: I saw that you have a contact us form, make sure that you put some validation and spam filtering :) |
| [06:44:31] | xris: | there's a little bit |
| [06:44:35] | floppyears: | cool |
| [06:44:39] | ** floppyears is a web developer ** | |
| [06:44:44] | xris: | same here |
| [06:45:03] | xris: | my first try at spam filtering worked pretty well.. completely blocked Opera. :) |
| [06:45:18] | floppyears: | is it straight php or are you using a framework ? |
| [06:45:20] | floppyears: | hehe |
| [06:45:20] | xris: | but there are a few tricks in there to catch spiders/bots |
| [06:45:29] | xris: | homegrown framework |
| [06:45:42] | floppyears: | wow |
| [06:45:59] | floppyears: | xris: do you have a webpage I would be interested in learning about it |
| [06:46:06] | floppyears: | I use mostly cake for my stuff |
| [06:47:02] | xris: | a lot of it is in mythweb |
| [06:47:18] | xris: | although this is a simplified version. modules are single files rather than directories |
| [06:47:45] | xris: | and I pulled out a bunch of the conditional directory-location stuff because hard-coding is faster |
| [06:50:56] | floppyears: | cool |
| [06:59:29] | floppyears: | how often do you guys update the box that you have mythtv running on ? |
| [06:59:34] | floppyears: | has it ever been hacked ? |
| [07:01:45] | juski: | I left a demo box online for a couple of weeks – didn't even have basic .htaccess protection. all that happened was somebody renamed a couple of videos |
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| [07:02:01] | xris: | floppyears: update which parts? |
| [07:02:15] | xris: | mine's behind a firewall and mythweb is password protected, so it'd be pretty hard to hack |
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| [07:04:08] | floppyears: | mostly the OS |
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| [07:04:22] | floppyears: | how often do you update it ? and how often does this cause problems ? |
| [07:04:35] | juski: | I wouldn't leave any computer connected directly to the internet unless it had a pretty solid firewall on there |
| [07:04:53] | juski: | floppyears: if it works, don't update it or let it automatically update either |
| [07:04:57] | juski: | easy |
| [07:05:29] | xris: | I update once or twice/year... as different versions of fedora come out.. but rarely more than once/year |
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| [07:05:41] | floppyears: | thanks guys |
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| [07:05:49] | xris: | now, I run updates within the OS all the time.. and update mythtv svn every couple of weeks |
| [07:07:27] | floppyears: | are there any great features in svn that merit installing svn rather than a binary package ? |
| [07:07:50] | juski: | it's where people use mythtv from packages that dependency hell can stem from :-P |
| [07:08:02] | xris: | well.. I build my own packages... and as a developer, it helps me to be up to date. |
| [07:08:12] | xris: | if you're not super-familiar with linux, it's not worth upgrading. |
| [07:08:22] | juski: | floppyears: plenty. infact there are even advantages to building -fixes yourself rather than using binaries |
| [07:08:48] | juski: | since most distros only really ever update their packages at major releases, so it seems |
| [07:09:00] | juski: | at least in the case of mythtv |
| [07:09:11] | floppyears: | I'm really familiar with linux in general I've been using debian 4+ yrs |
| [07:09:24] | juski: | and some put stupid obstacles in the way which obsfurcate the real setup process |
| [07:09:45] | juski: | for those it pays to use their own community docs. I'm looking at you, Ubuntu |
| [07:10:10] | floppyears: | so what feature is in svn right now that is really cool ? |
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| [07:11:25] | juski: | none as far as I'm concerned – from the point of view of features I want/use |
| [07:11:49] | juski: | mythweb's streaming thing has only bragging value for me |
| [07:12:11] | floppyears: | does mythtv come with an init script to start up by itself or do we have to start it manually once X is started by some other script ? |
| [07:12:28] | juski: | as for storage groups – well I've not needed extra recording storage yet, so it's academic :) |
| [07:12:39] | juski: | floppyears: it comes with example init scripts |
| [07:13:00] | floppyears: | cool |
| [07:13:01] | juski: | for the backend. if you want the frontend to start automagically you'll have to resort to your own voodoo |
| [07:13:03] | floppyears: | can't wait to set it up |
| [07:13:04] | xris: | floppyears: and most packages install one, too |
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| [07:27:38] | clever: | ive maaged to make mythfroted segfault i gdb |
| [07:27:45] | clever: | but i forget how to make gdb log its output |
| [07:27:52] | clever: | to save the backtrace |
| [07:31:13] | juski: | damn top-posting foo |
| [07:31:38] | clever: | lol |
| [07:31:50] | clever: | how do i log gdb's output? |
| [07:32:04] | ** juski goes to get breakfast. hmmmm hungy ** | |
| [07:32:13] | clever: | damnit:P |
| [07:32:47] | juski: | as if I know owt about gdb anyway |
| [07:32:53] | clever: | lol |
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| [07:43:57] | Anduin: | clever: set logging on |
| [07:44:12] | clever: | ahhh |
| [07:44:23] | Anduin: | I believe the steps are in the howto for generating backtraces |
| [07:44:51] | clever: | the program allready exited so i cat get a full bt |
| [07:46:15] | clever: | ive also got a bt and understanding of a bug i the backed but i dont know what fuction i should call istead to work arroud the bug |
| [07:46:15] | clever: | the master backend is connecting to itself to do a simple query |
| [07:46:34] | clever: | which causes a feedback loop |
| [07:46:35] | clever: | it should just call a functio inside itself |
| [07:48:21] | clever: | mythtv@theP4:~$ 2007-08–12 02:47:32.418 MainServer::HandleGenPreviewPixmap() making preview for /media/disk/mythtv/data |
| [07:48:24] | clever: | /1006_20070810143000.nuv from media while im theP4 |
| [07:48:27] | clever: | 2007-08–12 02:47:32.563 RemoteCheckFile hostname: media |
| [07:48:37] | clever: | 2007-08–12 02:47:32.654 wtf im the master server yet im connecting to the master |
| [07:48:37] | clever: | 2007-08–12 02:47:32.663 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.60:6543 (try 1 of 5) |
| [07:48:47] | Anduin: | clever: How does it loop (it should always terminate at the master or real destination backend) |
| [07:49:02] | clever: | Anduin: the master backend coects to itself |
| [07:49:15] | clever: | then later on it sends a msg to all clients(and itself) |
| [07:49:23] | clever: | which it then repeats to all cliets(and itself) |
| [07:49:24] | clever: | which it then repeats to all cliets(and itself) |
| [07:49:28] | clever: | ... |
| [07:49:55] | clever: | eating tons of cpu(and in one case making a 7gig log file) |
| [07:50:21] | Anduin: | clever: Which command? |
| [07:50:27] | clever: | several |
| [07:50:52] | clever: | schedule change and recordinglist change mostly |
| [07:51:24] | clever: | but those wouldnt cause feedback if the connections where in a purely star layout |
| [07:52:24] | clever: | i can trigger it again with -v network if you wat |
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| [07:54:30] | clever: | Anduin: http://clever.mine.nu:82/paste/mypatch |
| [07:54:53] | clever: | ive made some changes to the debug output so it explais the buggy area better |
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| [08:06:34] | juski: | linuxmce guy is still missing the point. I give up trying to reason |
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| [08:40:52] | robbins876: | i'm having some performance issues with browsing recorded shows and movies |
| [08:40:57] | robbins876: | it's going much slower than usual |
| [08:41:12] | robbins876: | is there a way i can increase myths performance while browsing? |
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| [08:50:17] | juski: | check the database is intact |
| [08:50:39] | juski: | that done, see how much you have free on the partition where the db lives |
| [08:50:52] | juski: | anything which can impact mysql performance will affect mythtv adversely too |
| [08:52:08] | robbins876: | i believe that to be the issue |
| [08:52:16] | robbins876: | because it is all slowww |
| [08:53:51] | robbins876: | i unplugged my drives and re-setup my case today and now the drives are reversed... sdb > sda and vice versa, think that's part of the issue? |
| [08:55:03] | juski: | er.. shouldn't be, so long as they're both mounted to the right place |
| [08:55:27] | robbins876: | alright, i believe they're working, i did switch some things in fstab to get everything back up |
| [08:55:34] | robbins876: | how do i check that the DB is still intact? |
| [08:55:41] | juski: | mysqlcheck |
| [08:57:45] | robbins876: | getting a lot of these |
| [08:57:50] | robbins876: | warning : 1 client is using or hasn't closed the table properly |
| [08:58:41] | juski: | I usually stop the BE & FE before running mysqlcheck |
| [08:58:49] | robbins876: | alright |
| [08:59:26] | robbins876: | everything checks out fine |
| [09:00:34] | robbins876: | it's almost impossible to go through my recorded shows and the video manager is just as slow |
| [09:01:23] | juski: | maybe you're low on ram. changed themes recently? |
| [09:01:33] | robbins876: | no, but i did have some major ram issues |
| [09:01:47] | robbins876: | but it says i've got 450MB available |
| [09:11:50] | robbins876: | juski, once i get into a video everything place perfectly |
| [09:11:57] | robbins876: | just the browsing blows |
| [09:11:59] | robbins876: | and the menus |
| [09:15:06] | juski: | how would linux let you have 450MB free ram? |
| [09:16:32] | robbins876: | i haven't the slightest |
| [09:16:44] | robbins876: | i've only got a gig to begin with |
| [09:18:38] | juski: | memory usage in linux isn't that easy to work out unless it comes down to which apps are using what |
| [09:19:11] | juski: | I still don't understand all the numbers. what 'free' tells you isn't much to go by, I think |
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| [09:20:00] | clever: | cat /proc/meminfo |
| [09:20:06] | clever: | i know what most of the umbers mea |
| [09:20:17] | clever: | if you pastebi it i could explai parts of it |
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| [09:21:11] | nasser: | hi all |
| [09:21:20] | clever: | hi one |
| [09:21:34] | nasser: | who can help to make my own modeline |
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| [09:23:51] | nasser: | who can help me to make modeline |
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| [09:26:40] | robbins876: | clever, http://pastebin.ca/654320 |
| [09:27:18] | clever: | looks like about a gig of ram total |
| [09:27:28] | clever: | 158,388kb is fully unused |
| [09:27:53] | clever: | 3,768kb are buffers(which could be free fast if needed) |
| [09:27:56] | robbins876: | how much does myth use, typically? |
| [09:28:19] | clever: | 473,936kb is cached files(can also be free fast if needed) |
| [09:28:36] | ** clever looks ** | |
| [09:29:04] | robbins876: | because my menus, video listing and recorded shows thing are incredibly slow, almost unusable |
| [09:29:11] | robbins876: | but everything else on this box is working normally |
| [09:29:18] | clever: | mysql is using about 30mb of ram(but runnig more the just mythtv stuff) |
| [09:29:24] | clever: | mythbackend is using 26mb of ram |
| [09:29:34] | clever: | mythwelcome is using 13mb of ram |
| [09:29:42] | ** clever fires up mythfroted ** | |
| [09:30:07] | clever: | is it set to opengl? |
| [09:30:19] | robbins876: | don't beleive so |
| [09:30:23] | robbins876: | if it is, it shouldn't be |
| [09:30:36] | robbins876: | how do i check if my nvidia drivers are loaded? |
| [09:30:41] | clever: | the mem usage of the frontend depeds on the theme and other stuff |
| [09:31:09] | clever: | root@theP4:/home/mythtv# lsmod|grep nvidia |
| [09:31:09] | clever: | nvidia 4551028 32 |
| [09:31:40] | clever: | i ca see a nvidia module loaded i my kernel(but X could still be ignorig half its features) |
| [09:32:30] | clever: | mythfroted is using 76mb of ram right now(posibly more in swap) |
| [09:32:46] | robbins876: | looks like mine is loaded, as well |
| [09:33:32] | clever: | exact memory usage is a bit of a complex thing |
| [09:33:44] | clever: | memory pages can be mapped to files |
| [09:34:06] | clever: | those pages take up ram but it can be free'ed fast if your low on ram |
| [09:34:26] | robbins876: | I'm mostly just trying to get the menus in myth to work better, I can't figure them out |
| [09:34:29] | clever: | and the data can be restored transparently by the kerel from the original file on disk |
| [09:34:41] | robbins876: | like i said, once I start a TV show or movie, everything works perfecly |
| [09:34:43] | clever: | which version of mythtv is it? |
| [09:35:01] | clever: | my menu's are a tad slow but playback is smooth most of the time |
| [09:35:10] | robbins876: | .20.1 or somethign like that |
| [09:35:14] | clever: | ah |
| [09:35:28] | clever: | was thinking you might have been on .018:P |
| [09:35:33] | clever: | 0.18* |
| [09:35:41] | robbins876: | my menus have been good, but i ran into some issues with heat the other day and wound up breaking down my box and putting it all back together |
| [09:35:46] | robbins876: | now myth is creepin |
| [09:36:15] | clever: | is sshd running? |
| [09:36:35] | robbins876: | not sure |
| [09:36:43] | clever: | try to connect into it |
| [09:36:43] | robbins876: | how do i check, and should it be? |
| [09:37:09] | robbins876: | I'm actually on the backend right now |
| [09:37:15] | clever: | its not realy eeded but it ca be used to moniter stuff like cpu usage while something is usig the screen |
| [09:37:17] | robbins876: | running a frontend on it |
| [09:37:56] | clever: | run this on the fronted |
| [09:37:59] | clever: | top -d 60 |
| [09:38:09] | clever: | it should show cpu usage of all programs |
| [09:38:15] | clever: | and update every 60 seconds |
| [09:38:51] | robbins876: | right now i'm ripping a dvd to xvid, so that's eating up the majority of my CPU |
| [09:39:13] | robbins876: | but even before that, myth was running unusably slow |
| [09:39:17] | clever: | you could pause that if you wanted(ctrl+z) |
| [09:39:26] | clever: | so that it wot affect it atm |
| [09:39:40] | clever: | Cpu(s): 20.3% us, 2.6% sy, 0.0% ni, 67.0% id, 4.4% wa, 0.1% hi, 5.6% si |
| [09:39:52] | clever: | thats one of the lines i top on one of my systems |
| [09:40:08] | clever: | over 50% idle because its ot realy doing aythig |
| [09:40:08] | robbins876: | Cpu(s): 2.2%us, 5.1%sy, 92.6%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| [09:40:41] | clever: | looks like the encoding program has bee reniced to get out of the way if other things wat the cpu |
| [09:40:56] | ** stuarta wonders what everyone is worrying about ** | |
| [09:41:32] | clever: | go switch the menu's arround alot in mythtv for 60sec(or so) and check that line agai |
| [09:42:37] | juski: | robbins876: is this a remote frontend perchance? |
| [09:43:03] | juski: | one thing which can significantly slow down browsing the EPG is not having a local copy of the channel icons |
| [09:43:26] | clever: | i thik he means menu's in general |
| [09:43:52] | clever: | and i know how painfull the missing icons can make the program cguide slow down |
| [09:44:12] | robbins876: | juski, no it's on the backend machine |
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| [09:44:17] | juski: | they can even affect the programme finder too, not that it can even use icons |
| [09:44:43] | clever: | lol |
| [09:44:47] | robbins876: | all of the menus are slow |
| [09:44:59] | juski: | robbins876: something must be seriously wrong |
| [09:45:10] | robbins876: | i know this, but i dont' know what |
| [09:45:17] | robbins876: | everything else on my box is running top knotch |
| [09:45:24] | robbins876: | notch |
| [09:45:32] | juski: | are you using the opengl painter? |
| [09:45:42] | robbins876: | no sir |
| [09:45:49] | robbins876: | QT |
| [09:45:53] | juski: | software opengl could cause slowness with that |
| [09:46:20] | juski: | ok. stupid IT support techie question – have you tried restarting mythfrontend? |
| [09:46:31] | ** clever goes to watch mythtv:) ** | |
| [09:47:04] | robbins876: | yep |
| [09:47:06] | robbins876: | and my computer |
| [09:47:09] | robbins876: | a few times |
| [09:47:23] | robbins876: | i'll worry about it tomorrow |
| [09:47:25] | robbins876: | i must sleep |
| [09:47:27] | stuarta: | restarting the computer is for windows users :-) |
| [09:47:28] | robbins876: | thanks for the help guys |
| [09:47:45] | robbins876: | stuarta, true, but i was messing with ram |
| [09:47:52] | stuarta: | heh |
| [09:48:02] | robbins876: | alrgith, asta manyana |
| [09:48:08] | robbins876: | hasta |
| [09:48:10] | juski: | try wiping out the themecache dir |
| [09:48:15] | juski: | long shot |
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| [10:14:02] | juski: | OMG. somebody in the UK bought more than one badge from my site in one go! |
| [10:14:09] | juski: | :-O |
| [10:15:06] | stuarta: | 8-) |
| [10:16:46] | juski: | it's funny but until now, folks anywhere but in the UK have been buying more than one. it's not really worth my while queuing in the local PO to send just one badge. takes ages if I get stuck behind a bunch of ebay kids |
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| [10:25:17] | juski: | woot. 2/3 of the way there for my new frontend fund in my paypal account |
| [10:25:33] | juski: | it's trickling in, but trickling nonetheless |
| [10:26:26] | stuarta: | nice. case badgers working okay then? |
| [10:26:38] | juski: | yeah. dumped ebay. got sick of their tax |
| [10:26:56] | juski: | now only paying paypal tax |
| [10:26:59] | stuarta: | lots of people have. |
| [10:27:18] | stuarta: | enough people go to get your themes that they'll find the badgers |
| [10:27:22] | juski: | ebay is great for big items, but the fees become unmanagable for small things |
| [10:27:55] | juski: | for the time it takes to make up a webpage with a 'buy me' button, it pays dividends |
| [10:28:39] | juski: | and if folks don't wanna use paypal, hard cheese! |
| [10:29:38] | stuarta: | i'm playing the packup all my shit so i can move house game :( |
| [10:29:57] | stuarta: | movitation-- |
| [10:31:13] | juski: | yeah I have an almost finished theme sitting here, waiting for tweaks. just can't be arsed. that has to be done before I play with the new retro stuff, then I plan to do some more graft on my appearance plugin.. and then, dip into to UI code to see what I can do about those nasty qt popup widgets |
| [10:31:40] | juski: | I've booked a holiday to Greece next month so all I can do now is look fwd to that :D |
| [10:32:19] | juski: | so you moving in with your finance eh? ;) |
| [10:35:18] | stuarta: | yeah, taking a while. |
| [10:37:44] | stuarta: | packing sux |
| [10:38:12] | juski: | took me about 2 weeks solid to pack last time I moved, doing bits every night |
| [10:38:22] | juski: | I've got even more junk now |
| [10:38:29] | stuarta: | done all the books and stuff |
| [10:38:34] | stuarta: | doing clothes now |
| [10:38:53] | stuarta: | computer and furniture in 2 wks when we get the van. |
| [10:38:54] | juski: | twas CDs, vinyl which were hardest to pack |
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| [11:02:51] | stuarta: | wonder why disable auto expire comes up shaded out, when it's actually active... |
| [11:10:30] | rooaus: | juski: Just noticed that the G.A.N.T. music-ui.xml references mm_simple_button_pushed.png when but the image in the theme dir is mm_simple_button_active.png. Problem was introduced in [14043]. |
| [11:10:30] | rooaus: | Doesn't seem worth a ticket :) |
| [11:18:50] | juski: | bah who cares about G.A.N.T. ? ;) |
| [11:19:46] | juski: | waiting for svn.mythtv.org .... |
| [11:19:47] | juski: | waiting for svn.mythtv.org .... |
| [11:20:12] | juski: | ffs I have got to sack virgin media soon. I'm fscking sick to death of this crap |
| [11:20:43] | juski: | rooaus: does it actually report a missing image? |
| [11:20:46] | systemloc: | death, taxes, and ISPs sucking |
| [11:28:55] | rooaus: | juski: Yeah, "xmparse.o: I can't find a file called mm_simple_button_pushed.png". Looks like the three buttons on main screen and the three in the metadata editor as well. They disappear when pressed. |
| [11:29:43] | juski: | bah! I could have sworn I'd seen the last of that theme suckiness |
| [11:30:08] | juski: | this is only gonna deepen my contempt for those themes. I really do loathe them all |
| [11:30:38] | rooaus: | heh |
| [11:30:59] | juski: | so mm_simple_button_pushed.png should really be mm_simple_button_active.png then ? easy change to make. |
| [11:31:39] | rooaus: | I only use them when hacking on my laptop, not worth installing a real theme. |
| [11:33:42] | rooaus: | juski: Do you have any thoughts on how to create an OSD theme that copes with large program descriptions? Is there anything planned for scrolling or paging it? |
| [11:33:56] | juski: | see, exactly this kind of crud is caused by inconsistent naming of images |
| [11:34:12] | juski: | rooaus: right now I could not care less tbh |
| [11:34:47] | rooaus: | juski: Yeah, the property is pushed, you would think the image was pushed (I think it is in other themes). |
| [11:35:01] | juski: | there are some new uitypes which aren't used yet – those could do with somebody looking at them to see what they can be used for |
| [11:35:40] | juski: | I've seen stuff for scrollable text areas but I've no clue how to go about using them, or even if they can be used yet |
| [11:36:34] | juski: | something I've toyed with having a play with is instead of just jumping X pixels at a time, redraw the whole thing X times, each with a 1 pixel increment. Smooth scrolly ;) |
| [11:37:05] | rooaus: | juski: Oh, that is already in there maybe? I had a little look at that but figured writing the code was beyond my C++ skill set. |
| [11:37:43] | juski: | I only know what I've picked up from reading uitypes.cpp etc – I could be very very wrong for all I knwo |
| [11:37:45] | juski: | *know |
| [11:37:51] | rooaus: | I pay for guide data here and one thing you do get is some verbose descriptions (not all the time) |
| [11:38:28] | juski: | it might be nice to have an item scroll from right to left if there's not enough room to fit it in – scroll as long as it's selected |
| [11:39:04] | juski: | (for one line items).. for multilines, scroll up |
| [11:39:43] | juski: | I tried mangling a textarea to use a new type, but it didn't work because it's not yet supported in the xml parsing for the part of the UI I was playing with |
| [11:40:14] | rooaus: | Forget the bling, scrolling text in the ui would be nice. I think it would make theme design a bit easier wouldn't it? |
| [11:40:36] | juski: | some of that kind of thing is very frustrating. I'd probably much rather have the UI code just take whatever the hell is in the xml file & use it |
| [11:41:20] | juski: | right now, a simple text area in say recordedprograms, could support X, Y & Z features, but in another part, say the EPG, only support X&Y |
| [11:41:34] | juski: | very frustrating |
| [11:41:43] | juski: | and it's all down to the xml parsing |
| [11:42:18] | rooaus: | any reason for that? Or was just minimum implemented in the parser? |
| [11:42:23] | juski: | if the xml parsing was more er.. I dunno.. generic maybe, then theme designers might get a lot more flexibility in what they can do |
| [11:42:49] | juski: | the parts of code which 'wire up the theme' for the UI, they tend to only look for tags they want |
| [11:43:20] | juski: | so for something that's allegedly pretty themable, a lot of it is hard-coded |
| [11:44:08] | juski: | I've discovered that when commenting out screen areas in xml files to see which bit does what – the code might just scream "missing element! borkage!!" & segfault |
| [11:44:20] | juski: | rather than simply not display it |
| [11:44:55] | juski: | obviously this is something mythui & the porting of everything to mythui, can tackle |
| [11:45:56] | systemloc: | Can anyone help me set up a uni remote w/ lirc? I've found several codes in the remote that irrecord claims are RC-5, but it gives me "something went wrong" when trying to program buttons. To try something different, is there a /etc/lircrc example file available which lists all RC-5 codes that I could use, along with irw, to scan through the uni remote's codes till I find one that's recognized? |
| [11:46:36] | juski: | rooaus: back to the missing image problem – I've just grepped for mm_simple_button_active.png and can't find it in G.A.N.T. so what I think I'll do is just rename the file |
| [11:47:45] | rooaus: | juski: Yeah, I reackon that makes sense... the property in the xml is "pushed", seems appropriate the image is *_pushed.png :) |
| [11:49:00] | juski: | systemloc: that sort of problem can be caused by some remotes sending different device codes for certain buttons. think of a device code a bit like a MSB, and the button code as LSB ;) |
| [11:49:51] | systemloc: | can you mask that in the lircd.conf, so lirc reports for any dev code? |
| [11:50:36] | juski: | systemloc: nope. you really need to make sure your universal remote is sending the same device code for all the buttons |
| [11:51:05] | juski: | I use a JP1 universal remote which I programmed myself using 'remotemaster' & a programming cable. |
| [11:51:31] | juski: | you can make up your own codes, then just drag & drop em onto buttons in the program, then upload it to your remote |
| [11:53:03] | laga: | juski: www.hifi-remote.com ? |
| [11:53:07] | juski: | yup |
| [11:53:26] | rooaus: | I created that patch to add the manuals to the myth build/install system... man qmake sucks... buggy and undocumented "features" |
| [11:54:13] | laga: | rooaus: good job, though |
| [11:54:36] | laga: | wait. if it gets committed, i need to revise my packaging scripts. gna. ;) |
| [11:54:39] | systemloc: | that makes me nuts.. I got a philips uni remote, just because I figured it'd be easy to make work as an RC-5.. pah! well... can I use irrecord with the -f force flag, and then look at the config it spits out to see what buttons are using which device code? |
| [11:55:38] | juski: | systemloc: I expect the ch+, ch-, vol+ & vol- are sending TV codes & the transport buttons (play, pause) are sending TV codes |
| [11:55:56] | juski: | systemloc: if you can get the remote to emulate a tivo remote, you might win |
| [11:56:04] | juski: | or some other DVR ;) |
| [11:56:08] | systemloc: | it can do that |
| [11:56:15] | systemloc: | tivo is a good remote to emulate? |
| [11:56:52] | juski: | yeah, course it is |
| [11:57:12] | rooaus: | laga: Yeah, that was part of my thinking, if it is installed by default the packagers would package the docs in bin installs. Just put them in $(PREFIX)/share/doc/mythtv. |
| [11:57:41] | laga: | rooaus: debian/ubuntu has a separate mythtv-docs package |
| [11:59:10] | rooaus: | laga: Didn't know that... my myth box is a gentoo box (that needs to be updated) and have always built from source. |
| [12:02:24] | systemloc: | juski, thanks :) Worked right off the bat on first try w/ the tivo code and a pre-made lircd.conf for tivo. No support for vol buttons, though :( |
| [12:02:46] | laga: | rooaus: no worries, i'll just update the scripts. it's cleaner yor way |
| [12:05:00] | rooaus: | laga: You can also build and install the dev-docs if you want 260MB of developer docs ;) |
| [12:05:39] | laga: | rooaus: 260!!! MB? what makes them so big? |
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| [12:07:00] | nomin: | is it impossible to get a video back that mythtv removed on a ext3 filesystem? I'm running out of space so it automatically deleted a video just after it finished recording. Is it possible to get this recording back or is it gone for good? |
| [12:08:23] | rooaus: | laga: Didn't track it down, they are built by doxygen... maybe it is creating a *lot* of images (class inheritence diagrams?) |
| [12:08:39] | laga: | that's possible |
| [12:08:53] | laga: | wunder if they could be gzipped |
| [12:09:08] | laga: | i really don't want to ship a 260MB mythtv-doc-dev package |
| [12:11:24] | rooaus: | laga: You probably wouldn't ship the dev-docs, if someone needs them they also need the source tree. And the dev-docs can be built from the source, you only need doxygen. |
| [12:11:55] | laga: | true enough |
| [12:12:16] | rooaus: | By default dev_docbuild is disabled and has to enabled with a ./configure --enable-dev-docbuild |
| [12:13:19] | laga: | nomin: i doubt it |
| [12:13:32] | laga: | nomin: google for "ext2 undelete" |
| [12:13:50] | nomin: | laga: ok, I see that it's on again today anyway so it's no big deal. |
| [12:14:03] | laga: | heh |
| [12:14:12] | nomin: | it looks like mythtv wants 1 GB free |
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| [12:14:49] | nomin: | I thought I had enough. I have 1.9GB free and it was a 1 GB recording. It was off by 100MB so it erased it :/ |
| [12:15:07] | laga: | add more disk space? :) |
| [12:15:26] | nomin: | I need to buy a 500 GB hard drive |
| [12:15:50] | nomin: | been avoiding it. |
| [12:15:54] | laga: | heh |
| [12:15:56] | laga: | they're cheap |
| [12:16:08] | nomin: | yeah, the prices are pretty good now. |
| [12:16:14] | pat_: | buy 3 and raid them |
| [12:16:23] | nomin: | only room for 2 |
| [12:16:29] | juski: | huh? recordings are eminently disposable anyway IMHO |
| [12:17:03] | juski: | actually so's your database if you back it up often enough ;) |
| [12:17:31] | nomin: | I reencode them into avi's. |
| [12:17:48] | juski: | avi's what? |
| [12:17:53] | nomin: | I found mencoder to be the best. It keeps the audio and videos in sync. |
| [12:17:54] | juski: | and who is avi? |
| [12:18:23] | juski: | oh, AVIs, as in the plural of AVI with no apostrophe :-P |
| [12:19:03] | nomin: | yeah, those |
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| [12:19:30] | juski: | I'll never begin to comprehend why people want to archive stuff |
| [12:19:40] | nomin: | and then I use ffpeg to turn them into .mp4 if I want to shrink them even more into even crappier quality |
| [12:19:41] | laga: | it might be |
| [12:19:45] | laga: | because they want to archive stuff |
| [12:20:07] | laga: | juski: i'll try to get your ipod/radio export script included in mythbuntu as user jobs |
| [12:20:08] | juski: | like those nutters with rooms full of VHS recordings they've made from the TV |
| [12:20:52] | juski: | you're technically not allowed to keep archives of TV, but nobody has ever been prosecuted for it yet |
| [12:20:52] | nomin: | I found that turning a .nvu into an .mp4 is fairly good quality while cutting the file size alot, but the audio and video don't sync. That's why I turn them into an .avi then .mp4 |
| [12:21:27] | juski: | nomin: why not just go straight into mpeg4 & miss out a quality-losing step? |
| [12:21:33] | rooaus: | juski: Music specials in my case... stuff that I put on again like you might a CD. Recordings that you wouldn't be able to buy if you tried. |
| [12:21:46] | nomin: | but I don't like having a bunch of .mp4's because I don't know how to clip them as eaily as AVIs can be with avidemux. |
| [12:22:01] | juski: | rooaus: yeah but they tend to be an exception rather than a rule. I know people who try to keep every damn thing. THAT I don't understand |
| [12:22:22] | nomin: | juski: I just said above, the audio and video don't sync when I go straight from .nvu to .mp4 |
| [12:22:37] | juski: | nomin: then why not investigate why that is ;) |
| [12:23:01] | juski: | or junk the framegrabber & get mpeg2 which is dead easy to convert to anything you want |
| [12:23:05] | nomin: | I did and it's complicated stuff. I found something that works and it was fine until I started running out of space. |
| [12:23:27] | juski: | save the planet. encode in hardware ;) |
| [12:23:33] | wireddd: | space is cheaper... |
| [12:23:50] | laga: | framegrabbers support global warming |
| [12:24:11] | nomin: | oh yeah, you guys kill kittens when people mention frame grabbers. |
| [12:24:35] | wireddd: | I really want a card with a hardware mpeg4 encoder |
| [12:24:39] | juski: | nomin: ever tried nuvexport? |
| [12:24:56] | juski: | wireddd: that'd be the plextor convertx, or er.. nothing |
| [12:25:33] | systemloc: | hardware mpeg4 support? awesome! Woo! |
| [12:25:40] | systemloc: | I did not know that existed, yet |
| [12:25:51] | juski: | systemloc: ENcoding, not DEcoding. and then only SDTV |
| [12:25:51] | nomin: | juski: tried to install it but had no luck. I'll probably wait for people to start packaging it. I'd be just fine if someone found the code to put into a console that does the job. |
| [12:26:22] | systemloc: | juski, but isn't encoding much more processor intensive, anyway? |
| [12:26:37] | juski: | systemloc: yeah.. your point being? |
| [12:26:56] | systemloc: | hardware encode is more valuable to have |
| [12:27:05] | juski: | hardware mpeg4 encoders like the plextor convertx have been around for a few years now |
| [12:27:18] | juski: | so where's joo bin to miss dat? |
| [12:27:39] | wireddd: | how well do they play with linux/myth? |
| [12:27:45] | systemloc: | ahh, haven't had time to keep up on the latest tech for some years :( too busy w/ school |
| [12:28:00] | juski: | plextor convertx has linux drivers & is supported by mythtv |
| [12:28:17] | systemloc: | I want one already! :( |
| [12:28:26] | juski: | those ATI theater (sic) dealies with hardware encoding don't work in Linux and are unlikely to ever work in linux |
| [12:28:37] | juski: | same goes for the nvidia tv tuner cards too |
| [12:28:50] | ** systemloc spits on ATI for their craptastic linux support ** | |
| [12:29:08] | stuarta: | there was a time when nvidia support was worse :( |
| [12:29:17] | systemloc: | I remember that time, hehe |
| [12:29:34] | juski: | systemloc: it's not so much that, it's more than nobody in the community can do to help since there's no data available, and it's a slightly complex thing to reverse fettle :-P |
| [12:30:20] | systemloc: | juski: exactly.. if ATI would release the info, people would write drivers... but they won't.. not even for old stuff that they don't even support themselves, anymore |
| [12:30:23] | juski: | unlike say, NIC drivers & TV tuner cards where somebody with a brain can work it out somehow... it'd be a whole lot more involved for a VGA card |
| [12:30:48] | juski: | well, that sucks, so don't buy ATI. Ever! :D |
| [12:30:59] | systemloc: | heh, yeah.. that's my policy |
| [12:31:20] | stuarta: | nvidia used to be completely NDA (and still are), but at least they write a reasonable driver. |
| [12:31:31] | juski: | I'm keen to see if intel ever get their (promised) act together with their VGA drivers |
| [12:31:36] | wireddd: | their driver at least works |
| [12:31:41] | stuarta: | tho they used to even refuse to do that |
| [12:31:49] | systemloc: | you ever seen VNC or something similar used to mirror the actual video out for X to do a remote desktop sort of thing? |
| [12:32:09] | stuarta: | i need to get umbungo to boot with my ati card. |
| [12:32:32] | stuarta: | damn installer works, but then it hard hangs afterwards. |
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| [12:32:36] | juski: | part of the problem I think is that the big manufacturers buy IP from other companies & it's that which brings limitations |
| [12:32:56] | wireddd: | yeah |
| [12:33:16] | juski: | it's cheaper for them than doing their own dev work and I can't say I blame em |
| [12:33:43] | wireddd: | the could atleast release full specs though |
| [12:34:42] | rooaus: | stuarta: If by umbungo you mean ubuntu, just use the alternate installer cd. Wouldn't bother with the livecd installer. |
| [12:34:46] | wireddd: | I would love to turn some of these old cards into hardware encoders/decoders |
| [12:34:55] | juski: | I'd be surprised if the odd datasheet/doc hasn't been leaked out in the past |
| [12:34:57] | stuarta: | rooaus: i didn't :) |
| [12:35:18] | juski: | I suspect the X driver folks are savvy enough to have kept it under their hat ;) |
| [12:35:30] | stuarta: | they just reverse engineer it |
| [12:35:55] | juski: | yeah but there's only so much you can do by memory/register snooping |
| [12:36:55] | Nik_Doof: | that reminds me to check on the status of nouveau |
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| [12:51:24] | systemloc: | arg! my mythtv compile borked! NuppelVideoRecorder.cpp: `lame_encode_flush_nogap' undeclared |
| [12:51:33] | systemloc: | but I have the lame libs installed |
| [12:51:53] | ** systemloc whips out his pistol and puts this lame horse out of it's misery! ** | |
| [12:54:01] | systemloc: | must be because of my old lame version.. pah! Works better, anyway! |
| [12:54:10] | ** systemloc grumbles and upgrades ** | |
| [12:56:35] | tekny: | ah |
| [12:56:55] | tekny: | is there anyone using a USB tv-out with mythfrontend? |
| [12:57:21] | stuarta: | such things exist? |
| [12:57:22] | systemloc: | there exists such a thing?! |
| [12:57:36] | tekny: | wow, you guys are in sync |
| [12:57:50] | ** stuarta chuckles ** | |
| [12:57:55] | laga: | there's a sis usb vga thingamajic |
| [12:58:01] | systemloc: | "What I want to know, Trebeck, is if it works! Cause if it does, then I'll buy a dozen!" |
| [12:58:06] | laga: | maybe you could make a vga-Yscart cable if you're in europe |
| [12:58:18] | laga: | maybe they already have them with tv-outs |
| [12:58:54] | systemloc: | tekny, you bastard, now I feel very old that I didn't know about that |
| [12:58:58] | systemloc: | ;) |
| [12:59:55] | systemloc: | mythtv is compiling happily now that it has a lame version from this millenium |
| [13:00:04] | tekny: | i got this idea by looking at frontends without tv-out and without pci or agp ports |
| [13:00:27] | stuarta: | does it even turn up as a device under linux? |
| [13:00:35] | tekny: | exactly. |
| [13:00:38] | laga: | stuarta: winischofer has drivers |
| [13:00:47] | tekny: | anybody got a link? |
| [13:00:50] | systemloc: | you could throw that on an older laptop, and make a nice small quiet myth box |
| [13:01:04] | laga: | wait a sec |
| [13:01:13] | stuarta: | my old laptop is so old it's only got usb1.1 |
| [13:01:24] | tekny: | systemloc: yes but i'd like to have the same frontends around the house |
| [13:01:56] | tekny: | and i doubt i'll be able to buy the same laptop twice, especially if it's old but it's true, an old laptop would have it all |
| [13:02:40] | laga: | http://www.winischhofer.net/ |
| [13:02:45] | laga: | ^^ that guy has a driver i think |
| [13:05:50] | tekny: | i found this: http://www.manhattan-support.com/driver-usb-vga.shtml |
| [13:05:53] | tekny: | but there is not tv-out |
| [13:05:59] | tekny: | and i'm not sure it works under linux |
| [13:09:00] | systemloc: | ugh.. the build script for mythtv is so borked... I noticed the march was set wrong, so I set my CFLAGS... now it's building with: "ccache gcc -c -pipe -march=pentiumpro -w -O3 -march=athlon-xp -O2 -pipe...." nice one... |
| [13:09:47] | laga: | systemloc: gentoo? |
| [13:09:55] | systemloc: | slack |
| [13:10:03] | laga: | ah |
| [13:10:21] | laga: | systemloc: do you know you can use ./configure --arch=foo? |
| [13:12:27] | systemloc: | looking under the hood in the configure script, it actually purposefully detects athlon-xp procs and sets them up as ARCHFLAGS="-march=pentiumpro -mmmx" |
| [13:12:51] | systemloc: | maybe it offers better optimization, but that's very counterintuitive |
| [13:14:01] | laga: | it's about compiler optimizations |
| [13:14:10] | laga: | it's not supposed to be intuitive i guess |
| [13:17:08] | tekny: | other interesting thing was the hauppauge mediamvp with the custom bin that supports mythtv |
| [13:17:12] | systemloc: | true.. looks like they do a lot of optimizing under the hood, but still! CFLAGS is pretty common, and it should gracefully override it, not barf it in randomly |
| [13:17:21] | laga: | tekny, stuarta: http://www.winischhofer.eu/linuxsisusbvga.shtml – it sems those devices don't support VGA |
| [13:17:28] | laga: | systemloc: file a bug report/submit a patch |
| [13:18:05] | systemloc: | yeah, will do |
| [13:18:43] | tekny: | laga; this is interesting, where do they talk about the supported hardware? |
| [13:19:32] | laga: | um |
| [13:19:36] | laga: | i must be stoopid today |
| [13:19:45] | laga: | those devices support VGA of course. i meant they don't support Xv |
| [13:21:06] | tekny: | hmm.. it may not be a solution then |
| [13:23:13] | laga: | why would you need one for a laptop? they already have VGA outputs ;) |
| [13:23:34] | tekny: | well, laptop is a solution but as i was saying |
| [13:23:46] | tekny: | i'll buy like 2 laptops for the house |
| [13:23:58] | tekny: | they will be different and use different drivers for video card, etc |
| [13:24:07] | tekny: | and i'll have a ton of problems to solve TWICE |
| [13:24:14] | tekny: | i'm looking at the dell sx270 |
| [13:24:59] | tekny: | it's a nice frontend, small, pretty, with a dvd-rom, it just lack a tv-out because i don't have hd tv sets (yet).. but it's ready with the DVI connector |
| [13:27:52] | lexs: | mythmusic isnt fast on scanning :( |
| [13:28:05] | laga: | lexs: it's much better in svn trunk |
| [13:28:19] | lexs: | yeah, im running knoppmyth now |
| [13:28:28] | lexs: | on my "temp" myth box |
| [13:29:02] | lexs: | reading from nfs doesnt make it better :p |
| [13:29:31] | tekny: | so the only extension ports i have available are USB and i can't find a good solution for tv-out with USB.. if someone got a good product, let me know |
| [13:30:23] | laga: | tekny: are you in europe? |
| [13:30:31] | tekny: | nope, canada |
| [13:30:43] | tekny: | what difference would it make? |
| [13:31:50] | laga: | tekny: in PAL country, most TV sets can take RGB over SCART. you can make a really simple adapter rom vga -> scart that way |
| [13:32:26] | tekny: | ah, i see you mentionning that earlier in the channel, sorry for missing this point. |
| [13:32:46] | tekny: | it's true vga-->ntsc converters are a bit expensive |
| [13:32:47] | tekny: | too bad ;-) |
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| [14:12:43] | Paladine: | anyone familiar with the Pinnacle PCTV Dual Sat Pro PCI 4000i DVB-S card? |
| [14:16:27] | laga: | anyone familiar with meta questions? |
| [14:21:00] | Solv: | How can you tell a program that you recorded manually to a do a commercial flagging job? I have tried running edit and transcode (the job was running when I checked the status) but that didn't add any cut points...I still get told there is no seektable |
| [14:21:28] | Solv: | If I schedule a program to record, it always does a commflag job fine |
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| [14:56:03] | DustyBin: | I'm going to be buying a nice big 32" LCD TV soon, could anyone recommend one what would work ok with MythTV ? |
| [15:04:21] | fryfrog: | dvi or hdmi inputs mean you should have a pretty safe time |
| [15:04:44] | fryfrog: | you could search google for some of the models you know are available and see if there are X modelines/resolutions available |
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| [15:09:05] | PSU: | hi guys, i'm trying to get to the console by ctrl alt backspace but it only blinks for a second, then disappears |
| [15:09:21] | PSU: | the display is only shown on my tv, how can i get it to stay on my monitor while i finish the install |
| [15:09:33] | laga: | what display |
| [15:09:41] | DustyBin: | PSU try: control + alt + f1 |
| [15:10:07] | DustyBin: | fryfrog: aye ok |
| [15:10:17] | PSU: | DustyBin: perfect!, thanks bud! |
| [15:10:22] | DustyBin: | np |
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| [15:19:30] | nomin: | PSU: lol |
| [15:19:45] | PSU: | hey guys any opinions on mythdora vs knoppmyth if i'm just looking for an "out of box" install? |
| [15:19:51] | nomin: | PSU: what you did restarts the X server (kde or gnome) |
| [15:20:04] | PSU: | nomin: nice :P |
| [15:20:49] | DustyBin: | PSU: it might be easier just to use ubuntu |
| [15:21:14] | PSU: | and then install mythtv? |
| [15:21:17] | DustyBin: | aye |
| [15:21:34] | PSU: | k |
| [15:21:55] | DustyBin: | im not sure what kernels those myth only distros use, but you might need drivers what are only available in newer kernels |
| [15:22:09] | nomin: | PSU: several people have recommended against the live cd's. I tried them and couldn't figure it out. It's best to install a distro then install and configure mythtv from there. You need to spend some time learning the basics of mythtv. In the end, you'll discover that there's really only about 20 minutes worth of effort needed. |
| [15:22:35] | nomin: | PSU: there aren't that many steps involved in setting up mythtv. The hard part is knowing what to do. |
| [15:22:39] | DustyBin: | 20 minutes? it took me 1 year to suss the basics hehehe |
| [15:23:06] | nomin: | DustyBin: yeah, it took me a few months of trying, giving up, trying, giving up until I finally got it. It's a snap now. |
| [15:23:16] | DustyBin: | aye |
| [15:23:36] | PSU: | heh, well i used knoppmyth and had it working for about 6 months...unfortunately, the db got messed up, etc. |
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| [15:23:41] | DustyBin: | if you have never used linux before, first you will need to learn some linux stuff |
| [15:23:41] | PSU: | i'm just going to re-do it now |
| [15:23:49] | PSU: | and was going to decide which distro to use |
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| [15:24:43] | nomin: | PSU: here are the basic steps: 1) download and install mythtv and mysql 2) configure mysql (it's just a one or two step process) 3) configure mythtv |
| [15:24:56] | PSU: | ok |
| [15:25:05] | PSU: | may be i'll go with a full install then |
| [15:25:28] | nomin: | PSU: I tried it on ubunt dapper but the sound only comes in one speaker for some reason. I use it on mandriva now and it's fine. |
| [15:25:56] | PSU: | k |
| [15:26:57] | nomin: | PSU: oh yeah, and part of the mythtv configuration is to set up an account so you get tv guide data, then tell mythtv to download the info. |
| [15:27:00] | DustyBin: | fedora is another good choice because it uses the very latest kernels, and again, this might resolv some of your TV card driver problems if you have any |
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| [15:28:29] | nomin: | PSU: what I've found is that it all comes down to this: if you can watch tv with a program like kdetv you're just 20 minutes away from a functioning mythbox. |
| [15:29:27] | DustyBin: | aye pretty much true |
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| [15:30:15] | nomin: | but the other tv viewing app is better than kdetv |
| [15:30:25] | nomin: | what's it called again? |
| [15:30:30] | DustyBin: | mythtv? |
| [15:30:43] | nomin: | no, it's just a viewer |
| [15:30:53] | nomin: | I messed with my menu and it's lost now. |
| [15:31:27] | laga: | tvtime? |
| [15:31:53] | nomin: | yes, that's it |
| [15:32:39] | nomin: | that one works right away whereas kdetv always wants to do a channel scan first. tvtime recognizes the channels right away. |
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| [15:51:35] | juski: | pesky damn theme tickets. grrr |
| [15:52:04] | laga: | heh |
| [15:52:17] | laga: | juski: i found a new way to p*ss off advanced users in mythbuntu |
| [15:52:32] | laga: | juski: http://laga.ath.cx/mythtv-setup-open-documentation.jpg <-you get this when you run mythfrontend now |
| [15:52:34] | juski: | I thought it'd do that by default ;) |
| [15:52:44] | laga: | yes, but i'm striving for innovation |
| [15:53:21] | juski: | do robotic arms come out of the monitor to hold the user in place until they've read & understand the docs? |
| [15:53:28] | juski: | if not, then it's no use :-P |
| [15:53:32] | laga: | juski: uh |
| [15:53:36] | laga: | i'll add that to the wishlist |
| [15:53:37] | laga: | :P |
| [15:54:13] | juski: | with that you could also make said robot arms pummel the user to death for raising a bug when it's an RTFM or PEBCAK failure ;) |
| [15:55:07] | juski: | I think I'll be visiting the docs tomorrow. having another shitty day today. gurgling stomach, absolute exhaustion. not good |
| [15:55:30] | laga: | :( |
| [15:55:40] | ** laga sends juski back to bed ** | |
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| [15:56:20] | defaultro: | hi folks, is it http://g-ding.tv/?q=MythDora the real home of mythdora? I'm seeing many links |
| [15:56:43] | juski: | defaultro: yeah. mythdora.org is also good IIRC |
| [15:57:02] | juski: | not that I would. have yet to hear a single success story from their camp |
| [15:57:30] | defaultro: | ok |
| [15:57:32] | laga: | juski: j-rod is working with them |
| [15:57:47] | laga: | if mythbuntu as final, i'd recommend that to you |
| [15:57:47] | defaultro: | i actually don't know which one to use, knoppmyth or mythdora |
| [15:58:00] | defaultro: | oh, there is mythbuntu too |
| [15:58:06] | laga: | yes |
| [15:58:12] | juski: | laga: I'm just saying I've yet to hear a single report that doesn't start with "I'm using mythdora & ABC doesn't work" |
| [15:58:18] | laga: | but the website is down and it's still alpha |
| [15:58:21] | defaultro: | i have always installed from scratch. but today, I want it the quickest way |
| [15:58:27] | juski: | or "it worked for 5s, now it's broke" |
| [15:58:33] | jams: | juski- i agree with your first email about the 10' ui |
| [15:58:39] | laga: | juski: i bet that's normal. "i'm using mythdora & i didn't read the docs" is a synonym i bet |
| [15:58:49] | juski: | laga: probable |
| [15:58:49] | defaultro: | juski, are you saying that mythdora is really nice? |
| [15:59:16] | jams: | the dang thing took about an hour to install, and didn't pnp detect anything |
| [15:59:23] | defaultro: | so juski/laga, which one should I try between the 2? |
| [15:59:27] | juski: | defaultro: I'm saying I've yet to hear anything nice about it from users. I've only ever encountered people who have some sort of problem with it. That might very well be the fault of the users |
| [15:59:40] | laga: | jams: have you tried mythbuntu yet? |
| [15:59:40] | defaultro: | k |
| [15:59:47] | ectospasm: | is there a consensus as to which distro/mythtv method is the best to install? I was thinking of Gentoo and installing from source (not via portage) |
| [15:59:54] | jams: | laga- the first alpha or prealpha |
| [16:00:01] | laga: | ectospasm: use whatever you're most familiar with |
| [16:00:12] | laga: | jams: ah, that didn't have many new features AFAIK |
| [16:00:14] | ** juski uses ubuntu & builds mythtv from source ** | |
| [16:00:18] | jams: | laga- any big advancements since then? |
| [16:00:35] | ectospasm: | juski: ubuntu desktop, or server? Server seems to be much more bare bones |
| [16:00:45] | ectospasm: | or do you need X w/ mythtv? |
| [16:00:46] | laga: | jams: yup. installer was improved.. next alpha will feature a nice control centre. |
| [16:00:54] | juski: | using ubuntu & their mythtv packages is quick and (if you follow the docs in their community area) easy |
| [16:01:01] | ectospasm: | It's been a while since I read the docs, I should do that |
| [16:01:11] | juski: | ectospasm: why? to save on HDD space? very little point tbh |
| [16:01:20] | ectospasm: | true enough |
| [16:01:29] | juski: | to save on boot time? hah! |
| [16:01:34] | ectospasm: | not really |
| [16:01:41] | ectospasm: | basically to have a lean system |
| [16:01:47] | defaultro: | we all know that we have to put linux into a machine. However, I was hoping that we can reach into a point that is similar to what other appliance do. I bought a US Digital clear HDTV receiver(2 yrs ago). I plugged it in, it prompted me to scan for channels and after scanning, I'm in business |
| [16:02:05] | juski: | ectospasm: by using 'server' you ain't necessarily gonna wind up with a less fat system |
| [16:02:15] | gbee: | juski: ref #3821, wouldn't it just keep looking for vm-background.png if the user has transparency disabled? |
| [16:02:23] | jams: | laga i will wait for the "control center" |
| [16:02:31] | ectospasm: | juski: it wouldn't have X, KDE or GNOME |
| [16:02:32] | laga: | defaultro: mythtv is probably not for you then. the ready-made distros tend to come pretty close, though |
| [16:02:38] | juski: | not to any great degree anyway. especially when you think that your recordings will hog 1GB/hour at *least* :-P |
| [16:03:01] | juski: | gbee: not in my experience. that kooky fleximage code sees to that |
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| [16:03:16] | laga: | juski: i think you already saw the screenshots |
| [16:03:19] | defaultro: | laga, like what I said earlier, I have always built from scratch and even with mythtv's tar.gz. I'm fine with that. I was just hoping that we have something outthere that's close to it |
| [16:03:23] | gbee: | odd, but I'll take your word for it :) |
| [16:03:53] | defaultro: | question about mythdora, can we still ssh to it? Can we modify kernel? |
| [16:04:00] | juski: | gbee: it might vary with the fill method, but I've never seen any evidence of it. If push comes to shove I'll just change fleximage back to 'no' and rename the damn file |
| [16:04:09] | juski: | defaultro: go read their docs |
| [16:04:20] | laga: | defaultro: ready-made distros are *closer*. however, there's so much different hardware out there it's hard to achieve. if you use well-supported hardware and live in the US, you should be able to install in under one hour using mythbuntu currently |
| [16:04:29] | laga: | err, i meant jams: i think you already saw the screenshots |
| [16:04:39] | defaultro: | cool |
| [16:04:49] | defaultro: | but you said earlier, it's still alpha right? |
| [16:04:52] | laga: | yes |
| [16:04:55] | defaultro: | ok |
| [16:05:05] | laga: | i doubt mythdora or knoppmth would be any different with regard to setup time |
| [16:05:14] | laga: | i havent tried mythdora or knoppmyth in ages |
| [16:05:26] | juski: | once you get past the install process you still have to setup mythtv itself |
| [16:05:28] | jams: | laga, yeah i have. They looked alright but i will wait to try them |
| [16:05:41] | juski: | operator input is what can take the time :D |
| [16:05:46] | defaultro: | that's fine with me |
| [16:06:18] | defaultro: | so laga, any choice between the 3? You should have 1, 2 or 3 choice in order |
| [16:06:35] | laga: | it's up to you *shrug* |
| [16:06:41] | juski: | defaultro: it doesn't matter really |
| [16:06:48] | laga: | i'm a bit biased since i'm one of the mythbuntu 'developers' |
| [16:06:58] | defaultro: | :) |
| [16:07:16] | laga: | oh, mythbuntu install doesn't work too well currently because mythbuntu.org is still down. ffs. |
| [16:07:22] | defaultro: | k |
| [16:07:30] | defaultro: | I'll try mythdora for now |
| [16:07:31] | juski: | you get what you get with mythbuntu, due to it being alpha. they need testers ;) |
| [16:07:40] | ectospasm: | in a subjective sense, how does a working mythtv system compare to commercial DVRs? |
| [16:07:40] | laga: | yup |
| [16:08:00] | defaultro: | once mythbuntu becomes a release, I'll install it too |
| [16:08:01] | juski: | ectospasm: apart from it's far more featureful & reliable (if setup right) ?? |
| [16:08:11] | jams: | laga- who came up with that idea. depending on a website to be up doens't seem like the best approach |
| [16:08:19] | ** juski dares to suggest there's no point going with mythtv to save money again ** | |
| [16:08:23] | ectospasm: | juski: yeah, look and feel... is it as polished as say Tivo? |
| [16:08:25] | defaultro: | laga, you are in germany right? |
| [16:08:39] | juski: | ectospasm: not having ever seen a tivo in real life I can't possibly say |
| [16:08:48] | ectospasm: | fair enough |
| [16:08:51] | juski: | it doesn't make stupid noises when you select menu items, I know that much |
| [16:09:06] | ectospasm: | heheheh... can you make it do that if you wanted to? |
| [16:09:15] | ectospasm: | I'm guessing yes |
| [16:09:15] | laga: | jams: i think it's due to it being alpha. a few packages were hosted there because they were not in ubuntu proper yet.. it does not really depend on those packages, but it'll fail when trying to run apt-get update or soemthing. i only know people run into trouble |
| [16:09:19] | laga: | defaultro: yes |
| [16:09:22] | juski: | somebody did. they have my sympathy |
| [16:09:34] | defaultro: | my memory is still working :D you told me that more than a year ago |
| [16:09:52] | laga: | defaultro: aren't you from the philippines originally and came to the us? |
| [16:09:56] | defaultro: | yes |
| [16:09:56] | ** ectospasm wonders if it's easy to use for non-technical people, like my nearly computer illiterate roommate ** | |
| [16:09:57] | juski: | laga: automagical updates screw up many things. there's just no stopping people |
| [16:10:13] | laga: | juski: nothin automagical. the installer does it AFAIK |
| [16:10:18] | laga: | well, another lesson learnt :> |
| [16:10:18] | juski: | ectospasm: my wife can use it. she finds her recordings no problem and is even scheduling her own now :D |
| [16:10:57] | juski: | ectospasm: there's a video with some ugly Brit demoing mythtv on the web somewhere. check it out |
| [16:11:44] | juski: | or find the 'promo video' at http://downloads.mythtvtalk.com/mythtv/videos/ (IIRC) |
| [16:12:00] | juski: | at least you get to see it in action |
| [16:12:29] | juski: | oh and you don't need some expensive whizzbang Gyration remote to use it either ;) |
| [16:13:16] | ectospasm: | The youtube vid I found makes it look fairly equivalent to the commercial DVRs I've seen over the past week or so |
| [16:13:23] | jams: | or a stuck-up attitude |
| [16:13:47] | juski: | jams: the whole thing about the linuxmce UI is that it's just too damn clutterred & ugly. Ugly is easy to deal with. I really like the idea of how fast you can navigate though. Myth *could* benefit from some of that, if done right |
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| [16:14:09] | defaultro: | juski, I remember you created themes. Do you still make themes? |
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| [16:14:24] | juski: | but determining 'long' keypresses from lirc (for ever faster scrolling) might be difficult |
| [16:14:30] | juski: | defaultro: sort of |
| [16:14:33] | defaultro: | k |
| [16:14:33] | Paladine: | juski recommend me a good dual tuner dvb-s card that is linux friendly |
| [16:14:39] | juski: | NO! |
| [16:14:44] | laga: | rotfl |
| [16:14:50] | juski: | don't think there is one |
| [16:14:53] | ectospasm: | juski: what about incremental keypresses? Does that work? |
| [16:15:07] | juski: | ectospasm: wtf is an incremental keypress? |
| [16:15:14] | Paladine: | juski I fond a pinnacle but I don't know if it is linux friendly |
| [16:15:22] | ectospasm: | Um, instead of pressing and holding, tapping it several times |
| [16:15:24] | juski: | Paladine: see the linuxtv wikiwikiwikiwiki |
| [16:15:30] | juski: | ectospasm: no. |
| [16:15:55] | juski: | ectospasm: there are keys to jump around the EPG in bigger steps than just one show block/channel at a time |
| [16:16:13] | ectospasm: | I thought we were talking about ffwd |
| [16:16:15] | juski: | and you can get around other areas with pgup & pgdn (3 and 9 respectively) |
| [16:16:51] | juski: | ectospasm: no need to bugger about with ffwd when you have arbitrary jumps anyway. want to forward 9 mins? press 9 then right arrow |
| [16:17:04] | ectospasm: | aha... interesting |
| [16:17:14] | ectospasm: | although it may be too complicated for my roommate |
| [16:17:22] | ectospasm: | he's a geek, but a philosophy geek |
| [16:17:34] | juski: | sounds more Greek than geek then :-P |
| [16:17:35] | ectospasm: | He's almost a Luddite when it comes to computers |
| [16:17:50] | ectospasm: | although he is addicted to the 'net |
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| [16:17:55] | juski: | ectospasm: so's my wife. the concept took her a while but she's onto it now |
| [16:17:57] | ectospasm: | he reads more websites than I do |
| [16:18:39] | juski: | you can configure the ffw&rew keys to a degree to change their behaviour. I have mine set to 'sticky'. hit ffw once, go 3x, then faster on subsequent presses |
| [16:19:02] | ectospasm: | juski: that's the "incremental keypresses" I was talking about then |
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| [16:19:19] | juski: | direct jumps are much faster though |
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| [16:20:12] | juski: | ectospasm: it's worth reading the 'daily use' section of the 'manual' in the wiki |
| [16:20:20] | juski: | that should cover a lot of this crap |
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| [16:20:22] | ectospasm: | OK, cool |
| [16:20:34] | ectospasm: | I'm really polling real users |
| [16:20:49] | ectospasm: | I'm too poor at the moment to afford the mythtv system I want... |
| [16:21:18] | ectospasm: | and I find it more socially acceptable to ask then to search... probably totally wrong with that point (-: |
| [16:21:51] | juski: | it just dawned on me today why we're not seeing more 'convergent' DVR boxes from cable companies. they want you to rent everything from them! (DUH!). That's why there'll never be a cable DVR with built-in DVD player! (Muhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh) |
| [16:22:30] | ectospasm: | yep |
| [16:22:41] | ectospasm: | and why I didn't get a DVR from Comcast |
| [16:23:39] | ectospasm: | and I can't get a mythtv box yet... I don't know what the rate for my basic digital cable will be at the end of my intro rate... |
| [16:23:53] | ectospasm: | so I may not have digital cable when it dies |
| [16:24:00] | juski: | and of course to know why mythtv doesn't have a definitive list of 'features' anywhere on the main website.. it'd be a seriously *long* list |
| [16:24:15] | ectospasm: | heheheh |
| [16:24:44] | ectospasm: | I'd get the apple TV thing, but it appears that you can't stick a tuner card in it |
| [16:24:52] | ectospasm: | same with mini Mac |
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| [16:25:34] | juski: | jams: you know one thing from the ML post about linuxmce that concerned me? I'm not the only person who thinks it looks like poo, and yet people seem reluctant to speak up about it. Is it taboo or something to speak your mind about 'cool' stuff? ;) |
| [16:26:15] | juski: | ectospasm: you can get tuners for Mac hardware, hell even PVR software. They even have open source, community-led media centre software for macs now |
| [16:26:27] | juski: | some of it looks very nice fankoo very much |
| [16:26:47] | juski: | they all look more like media *players* than PVRs though |
| [16:27:12] | ectospasm: | well, yeah |
| [16:27:35] | ectospasm: | I was thinking of getting a cappuccinopc machine, fanless and quiet... |
| [16:28:13] | juski: | btw gbee I think I know why the guy from KDE never got back to you. apparently they're in bed with linuxmce to provide 'their media center'. So much for taking the best of the best then |
| [16:28:37] | jams: | juski- i'm just to lazy to write the email |
| [16:28:53] | Paladine: | juski I am looking at the Pinnacle PCTV Dual Sat Pro 4000i but I can't find anything about it relating to linux |
| [16:29:03] | Paladine: | thats the only dual tuner dvb-s card I have managed to find |
| [16:29:14] | juski: | Paladine: in that case, I wouldn't touch it with yours |
| [16:29:30] | Paladine: | Ireally need a dual card |
| [16:29:35] | Paladine: | I only have pci slots |
| [16:29:40] | Paladine: | and I need 2 for other things |
| [16:29:59] | Paladine: | 5 pci slots * |
| [16:30:08] | juski: | dual tuner DVB cards are thin on the ground, especially ones which work well in linux. dvb-s cards even more so |
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| [16:30:18] | juski: | maybe consider USB DVB-S instead |
| [16:30:27] | juski: | if such a thing even exists |
| [16:30:35] | fuse: | Hi. |
| [16:30:41] | Paladine: | yeah they exist but I am loathed to use usb devices in linux |
| [16:30:43] | juski: | or learn to live without Sly TV. muhahahaha. MUHAHAHA |
| [16:30:43] | fuse: | Is anyone here running mythtv on the PS3? |
| [16:31:09] | Paladine: | if I told my missus to live without sly she would tell me to live without internet |
| [16:33:00] | gbee: | juski: heh, well if that's the case good luck to them |
| [16:33:53] | juski: | gbee: only have the linuxmce guy's -users list post to take as word for that though. wouldn't be wise to say as much on a public list if it weren't true though |
| [16:34:59] | jams: | man this plugin code really shows how much i don't know |
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| [16:35:13] | daum: | hi all |
| [16:35:22] | jams: | hi |
| [16:36:29] | gbee: | juski: it's a joke if Aaron etc really think that linuxmce is the right project, but then I'm not really bothered, I had my doubts about this whole KDE thing from the beginning but I was willing to see where it took us |
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| [16:41:16] | fuse: | elisa looks much nicer than linuxmce |
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| [16:43:08] | gbee: | I doubt KDE would work with elisa, KDE need something that people don't have to pay to use |
| [16:43:28] | gbee: | and this isn't about the UI, KDE would start from scratch on that anyway |
| [16:44:16] | hexxeh: | fuse, what's the point in myth on ps3? with framebuffer output and not much ram, it's far from ideal |
| [16:45:04] | laga: | hexxeh, fuse: mark kendall has got some patches to make mythtv run on the ps3 |
| [16:45:22] | hexxeh: | running isn't the issue |
| [16:46:02] | hexxeh: | it's just an oddball ppc |
| [16:47:10] | laga: | hexxeh: can you say "SPE support"? |
| [16:47:51] | laga: | - if libspe2 is detected, deinterlacing, yuv to rgb colour conversion |
| [16:47:51] | laga: | and scaling are offloaded to (some of) the PS3s 'SPE's. |
| [16:47:55] | laga: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/275682 |
| [16:49:17] | hexxeh: | i'd still be happier if there wasn't the whole "blit to framebuffer" bit. y'know, something like Xv |
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| [16:49:55] | laga: | why? |
| [16:50:04] | laga: | what does Xv do for you? colorspace conversion and scaling AFAIK |
| [16:50:13] | laga: | those are offloaded to the SPEs |
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| [17:28:47] | floppyears: | hi guys |
| [17:29:11] | floppyears: | I've got a video card with s-video out |
| [17:29:57] | floppyears: | but my tv only has the following inputs: coax and the jacs: white, yellow and green |
| [17:30:15] | floppyears: | what will I need to buy to connect my mythtv box to my tv ? |
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| [17:30:36] | jarle: | gbee: I have fixed some typos in the Norwegian Bokmål translation, should I reopen ticket number #2303, or should I make a new ticket (I'm all new to supplying patches..) |
| [17:30:53] | laga: | floppyears: didn't you have that question yesterday, too? |
| [17:30:54] | gbee: | new ticket |
| [17:31:06] | floppyears: | laga: no |
| [17:31:18] | floppyears: | I hadn't looked in the back of my tv until just now :( |
| [17:31:21] | gbee: | jarle: set the 'component' to translation |
| [17:32:23] | jarle: | gbee: oki.... I think I'll also comlete the missing translations before supplying the patch then... |
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| [17:40:57] | sphery: | floppyears: See http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2007-08-09 starting at 18:42, Kernel's discussion |
| [17:42:16] | juski: | find it hard to believe a TV with component input doesn't have svideo too. weird |
| [17:42:37] | sphery: | I've seen some like that. |
| [17:42:42] | sphery: | Usually old ones or very cheap ones. |
| [17:42:52] | laga: | mine doesn't have s-video in |
| [17:43:17] | juski: | what makes it weird for me is *component* input but no svideo.. that's just strange |
| [17:43:24] | sphery: | juski: I loved your post on -users list. :) |
| [17:43:42] | juski: | the fawning has to be stopped! |
| [17:43:50] | sphery: | Oh. I thought he said composite. |
| [17:44:11] | sphery: | If not, I'm sure that's what he meant... (Read what I mean, not what I type.) |
| [17:44:16] | juski: | white, yellow & green == component |
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| [17:45:13] | foxhunt: | hello |
| [17:45:18] | sphery: | He said, "the jacs [sic]: white, yellow, and green" |
| [17:45:25] | sphery: | I stopped reading at yellow. |
| [17:45:30] | foxhunt: | can anybody help me with a aspect ratio problem |
| [17:45:30] | juski: | lol |
| [17:45:49] | sphery: | Anyway floppyears, if it really is component, the discussion I mentioned doesn't apply |
| [17:46:04] | foxhunt: | i have 2 pvr250 but they always record in 4:3 aspect but not in 16:9 aspect |
| [17:46:20] | sphery: | but I think component is typically green, blue, and red jacks... |
| [17:46:38] | juski: | foxhunt: so set the aspect in mythtv-setup |
| [17:47:03] | juski: | under 'input connections' I think |
| [17:47:12] | sphery: | a description of the specific symptoms you're experiencing makes it easier to help you correct it. |
| [17:47:26] | juski: | sphery: in the UK, red green & blue are simply that .. RGB video :) |
| [17:48:01] | sphery: | If you've configured X correctly, you shouldn't have to tell Myth the aspect ratio (and things will work best if you configure X correctly) |
| [17:48:15] | juski: | sphery: no you have to tell myth what aspect you're capturing in |
| [17:48:33] | juski: | or it'll incorrectly crop/scale when it comes to output it |
| [17:48:39] | sphery: | true, if it's a capture aspect issue. |
| [17:48:52] | sphery: | display doesn't require telling Myth anything |
| [17:49:35] | sphery: | juski: Here, component is green (Y), blue (Pb), and red (Pr) |
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| [17:50:05] | sphery: | So it seems I made a completely US-centric statement about the colors of component. |
| [17:50:29] | juski: | typical US folks' :-P |
| [17:50:48] | sphery: | And, for the aspect ratio--I made another US-centric assumption--since we don't have widescreen analog TV. |
| [17:51:00] | sphery: | So I assumed it was a display issue. |
| [17:51:00] | foxhunt: | i tried some experimenting with different xorg.conf but that didn't seem to work |
| [17:51:01] | gbee: | sphery: component is hardly used over here, I could only tell you that the few cables I've seen in-store for component were also R, G, B |
| [17:51:28] | juski: | it's of course very cheap to re-purpose connectors originally intended for RGB video, for component :D |
| [17:51:29] | sphery: | I don't know what white, red, and green would be. |
| [17:51:31] | gbee: | sphery: no widescreen analogue? heh, wierd ... I mean I never knew that |
| [17:51:42] | sphery: | I mean white, yellow, and green. |
| [17:51:42] | juski: | foxhunt: do DVDs & other videos play in the right aspect ratio? |
| [17:51:54] | sphery: | gbee: None in NTSC. |
| [17:52:02] | foxhunt: | yes that works |
| [17:52:07] | juski: | sphery: that can't be true. what about digital cable? |
| [17:52:08] | sphery: | They always letterbox for widescreen, but most just "crop" |
| [17:52:20] | sphery: | digital cable isn't NTSC. |
| [17:52:22] | sphery: | It's digital |
| [17:52:39] | foxhunt: | i checked to mpg that ivtv create on my laptop with totem and the black bars are included in the stream |
| [17:53:05] | juski: | foxhunt: then if you're capturing the output of a STB with widescreen content, stop mythbackend, go into mythtv-setup and set the aspect ratio within 'input connections' to 16:9 |
| [17:53:06] | sphery: | foxhunt: first off, where are you |
| [17:53:39] | juski: | er.. anyway all that does is toggle a flag in the mpeg2 stream. it doesn't make the pvr card letterbox or somehow crop the image |
| [17:53:45] | sphery: | If the black bars are included in the stream, it sounds like the original source is putting htem there |
| [17:54:05] | foxhunt: | in am in the netherlands |
| [17:54:07] | foxhunt: | rotterdam |
| [17:54:18] | foxhunt: | in a use a normal anylog cable |
| [17:54:31] | sphery: | Just making sure... That means you could actually have widescreen analog. |
| [17:54:40] | foxhunt: | yes |
| [17:54:44] | sphery: | But, it sounds like you're receiving a letterboxed program. |
| [17:54:50] | juski: | not everything is widescreen though |
| [17:54:57] | juski: | and with PAL you can't have proper widescreen |
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| [17:55:04] | juski: | the best you can get is 14:9 |
| [17:55:07] | sphery: | If the source you're feeding hte card is letterboxed, you'll have to crop (and, with ivtv that means at display/playback) |
| [17:55:26] | foxhunt: | yes i know but when a check my tv live it doesn't have the black bars |
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| [17:55:45] | sphery: | if the source can be made to output widescreen (without letterboxing), you can change the aspect ratio as juski mentioned |
| [17:55:51] | Paladine: | I have mine setup for widescreen by my desktop has a black background so I don't notice any black bars :) |
| [17:57:00] | foxhunt: | can it be that mij recording profiles are wrong |
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| [17:57:31] | Leebier: | slightly OT question, i know, but does anyone use knetworkmanager to log into a wifi network automatically at bootup? |
| [17:57:56] | Leebier: | (something to busy myself with as mythtv-suite d/ls) |
| [17:58:09] | foxhunt: | i know have 352 x 576 , mpeg 2 hardware encoder, mpeg-2 ps aspect ratio 16:9 bitrate 1600/2300 |
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| [17:59:11] | foxhunt: | but when i check with v4l2-ctl -l -d /dev/video0 | grep aspect i always get a value=2 (and the manual says that means 4:3) |
| [17:59:34] | foxhunt: | so i looks like mythtv doesn't set the aspect correct |
| [17:59:44] | juski: | foxhunt: not all content will be widescreen |
| [17:59:54] | foxhunt: | yes i know that |
| [17:59:59] | juski: | and the best you can get over the air is 14:9, not 16:9 |
| [18:00:37] | juski: | maybe the ivtv driver isn't detecting the WSS flag, or maye the cable company isn't using the WSS flag |
| [18:00:47] | foxhunt: | but it is strange when normal tv doesn't have black borders and the same program recorded with mythtv have them and also the mythtv looks like the aspect is wrong |
| [18:01:06] | juski: | the WSS flag is inserted into 'wide' material so whatever is using it knows it is wide |
| [18:01:13] | Paladine: | my skybox is set to send output as 16:9 but v4l2-ctl -l -d /dev/video0 | grep aspect tells me 2 as well |
| [18:01:17] | juski: | maybe the ivtv driver doesn't know about it |
| [18:01:26] | sphery: | was just about to ask if ivtv respects the WSS |
| [18:01:36] | sphery: | I know it knows how to find it |
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| [18:02:36] | juski: | if all content is the same, just set the recording profile to use a wide aspect |
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| [18:04:18] | Aval0n: | hey juski |
| [18:04:19] | robbins876: | juski, you're still here? |
| [18:04:21] | Aval0n: | I have a question for ya |
| [18:04:36] | Aval0n: | how hard would it be to install 2 soundcards and just have myth output to one |
| [18:04:42] | Aval0n: | so all default sounds come out the other |
| [18:04:49] | juski: | WHY ASK ME? I'm not a ducking alsa whiz |
| [18:04:56] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [18:04:59] | Aval0n: | ok then |
| [18:05:29] | juski: | sphery: ivtv can pass the wss signal in VBI data – so it looks like mythtv is the one not taking any notice of it |
| [18:05:40] | juski: | figures :) |
| [18:05:48] | sphery: | interesting. |
| [18:06:05] | juski: | not worth losing *any* sleep over. analogue is gonna die soon anyway |
| [18:06:34] | Aval0n: | juski |
| [18:06:37] | Aval0n: | OTA analog might |
| [18:06:53] | Aval0n: | subscribtion analog is a long way from dead |
| [18:07:05] | Aval0n: | e.g., basic cox/rogers cable |
| [18:07:23] | juski: | let the poor people eat cake |
| [18:07:36] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [18:08:03] | sphery: | I sure hope it dies. Digital is so much better (even digital 480i/p) |
| [18:08:04] | Aval0n: | myth kinda works well with cox analog though because all you have to do is split the line to each tuner you have |
| [18:08:06] | foxhunt: | i have doen a little test know with setting the correct value with the hand and cp /dev/video0 /tmp/videofile |
| [18:08:06] | Aval0n: | with digital cable |
| [18:08:10] | juski: | anyway I thought you lot had passed bills to outlaw analogue after a certain date |
| [18:08:11] | Aval0n: | you have to rely on a STB |
| [18:08:21] | foxhunt: | and with a value=2 i get borders and with a value=3 i dont get any borders |
| [18:08:26] | Aval0n: | just OTA |
| [18:09:00] | juski: | foxhunt: so ffs do what I have been suggesting you do then! |
| [18:09:12] | Aval0n: | how do ppl run multiple mythtv frontends with digital cable? |
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| [18:09:35] | Aval0n: | they just can't watch different chans on different front ends at the same time? |
| [18:09:41] | juski: | what – do I have to give screenshots for every single ducking tip now?! |
| [18:09:47] | Aval0n: | everyone has to be watchign the same channel? |
| [18:10:08] | foxhunt: | but juski isn't that what i have with my default profile |
| [18:10:10] | juski: | Aval0n: one set top box, one capture card, one thing using it at a time |
| [18:10:23] | Aval0n: | juski ahh |
| [18:10:24] | foxhunt: | i know have 352 x 576 , mpeg 2 hardware encoder, mpeg-2 ps aspect ratio 16:9 bitrate 1600/2300 |
| [18:10:31] | juski: | foxhunt: the default recording profile settings are ALL 4:3 |
| [18:10:46] | Aval0n: | juski: see I am going to be using 1 kworld 115 and 2 pvr 150's so I can have 3 different rooms watching different things |
| [18:10:49] | foxhunt: | yes but i change them |
| [18:10:54] | juski: | foxhunt: so maybe, just maybe you're not using that profile |
| [18:11:52] | juski: | or maybe there's a bug in mythtv where it isn't setting the aspect ratio correctly since they moved to v4l2ctl.. |
| [18:12:01] | juski: | and nobody in the USA has noticed yet... |
| [18:12:33] | foxhunt: | i have al my profiles set to 16:9 |
| [18:12:47] | Leebier: | i've just installed ivtv and the alsa drivers (via RPM) and depmod -a is giving me the following error message, and ideas? : WARNING: Couldn't find symtab and strtab in module /lib/modules/2.6.22.1–41.fc7/updates/sound/acore/snd-rtctimer.ko |
| [18:12:54] | juski: | well, that sounds like a bug to me foxhunt |
| [18:13:00] | Aval0n: | foxhunt does know that even on the chans broadcasting 16:9 that only like 40% of commercials and shows show up that way right? |
| [18:13:19] | juski: | Aval0n: in Europe, all commercials are 16:9 |
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| [18:13:27] | juski: | they have been for a long time now |
| [18:13:28] | Aval0n: | is he in europe? |
| [18:13:49] | Aval0n: | .nl |
| [18:13:50] | Aval0n: | ahh |
| [18:13:54] | Aval0n: | nevermind then |
| [18:14:06] | juski: | ironic that companies in the US say "fullscreen" to mean 4:3, cropped to fill the screen. Meh |
| [18:14:22] | Leebier: | aval0n- not to beat a dead horse, but if everyone is watching livetv at the same time, why do you even have mythboxes? |
| [18:14:36] | Aval0n: | uhm |
| [18:14:50] | juski: | yay for family values. sitting down together to watch a show. yay! |
| [18:15:02] | juski: | wtf ever happened to that I wonder? |
| [18:15:10] | Aval0n: | for the same reason anyone would have myth boxes |
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| [18:15:22] | Aval0n: | juski if you wanna sit down and watch little house on the prarie with my wife |
| [18:15:25] | Aval0n: | go right the fuck ahead |
| [18:15:37] | Leebier: | i know i have mine to timeshift, which pretty much necessarily means not watching livetv |
| [18:15:39] | juski: | Aval0n: he's got a point. watching livetv all the time is a real waste |
| [18:15:39] | Aval0n: | I'll be watching heros in the other room |
| [18:16:03] | Aval0n: | juski it's VERY rare that even happens |
| [18:16:30] | Aval0n: | but if there is something on that I wanna watch and my wife wants to see something else at the same time |
| [18:16:35] | Aval0n: | I'de like to be able to record one |
| [18:16:37] | Aval0n: | and watch the other |
| [18:16:44] | Aval0n: | or watch them both indivdually |
| [18:17:11] | Aval0n: | or if there are 2 shows that _I_ wanna watch that come on at the same time |
| [18:17:25] | Aval0n: | having multiple analog tuners is ideal no? |
| [18:17:28] | juski: | heh. got 3 tuners here, and that ain't enough sometimes |
| [18:17:38] | Aval0n: | so that's my point |
| [18:17:43] | juski: | be more than enough when multirec comes along though :) |
| [18:17:44] | Aval0n: | when you go digital you lose that capability |
| [18:17:54] | juski: | we don't! |
| [18:17:56] | Aval0n: | multirec? |
| [18:18:07] | Aval0n: | how not juski |
| [18:18:12] | Aval0n: | you get a STB that has 1 tuner in it |
| [18:18:14] | Leebier: | aval0n- but even that is 2 boxes, not 3 or 4, andif they're cable channels that rerun half their shows late night, myth will happliy grab it when it reruns |
| [18:18:17] | Aval0n: | and if you use firewire to control it... |
| [18:18:27] | Aval0n: | that's 1 show at a time piped to your mythtv box |
| [18:18:27] | Paladine: | Aval0n, use dvb-s cards |
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| [18:18:35] | juski: | yeah digital TV is transmitting a number of channels on one frequency. in theory you can grab more than one channel from a stream at the same time, hence multirec ;) |
| [18:18:59] | juski: | Aval0n: yeah but in the UK & Europe, digital doesn't necessarily mean a closed, borked, DRM'd system :D |
| [18:19:12] | Aval0n: | i'm all confused now |
| [18:19:25] | Aval0n: | so there are people right now, with digital setups running multiple tuners? |
| [18:19:34] | Paladine: | I will be shortly |
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| [18:19:40] | Paladine: | 4 tuners for sky tv |
| [18:19:44] | Aval0n: | i just don't get how |
| [18:19:48] | juski: | yes. we get plenty channels on dvb-t & dvb-s |
| [18:19:53] | Aval0n: | unless you are paying for multiple STB's |
| [18:19:57] | Paladine: | run 4 lines from the LNB into 4 seperate tuner cards |
| [18:20:05] | Paladine: | I won't be running any STBs |
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| [18:20:09] | juski: | Aval0n: in Europe you don't necessarily *need* a STB |
| [18:20:15] | justdave: | I have some mp4 files that are native resolution HD (1280x720), trying to play them via MythVideo on an HDTV hooked up via HDMI... MythVideo seems to be vertically squishing the video, so it shows up letterboxed, instead of playing it at native resolution. |
| [18:20:15] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [18:20:34] | juski: | Aval0n: that's the point. you get a tuner card, plug it in & away you go. Free digital TV. No STB required. |
| [18:20:36] | justdave: | I've tried using "Internal" and tried mplayer with various combinations of -aspect and -monitoraspect and it doesn't seem to change... |
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| [18:20:43] | justdave: | anyone have any idea what else I can tweak? |
| [18:20:51] | Aval0n: | juski but just local chans right? |
| [18:20:55] | Aval0n: | you don't get the cable chans |
| [18:21:05] | juski: | there's FA worth watching on cable anyway |
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| [18:21:09] | Paladine: | we don't really have any such thing as local chans in the UK |
| [18:21:15] | juski: | there's FA worth watching on pay TV either |
| [18:21:16] | Paladine: | with the exceptional of regional terrestrial |
| [18:21:29] | Aval0n: | FA? |
| [18:21:36] | juski: | duck all |
| [18:21:39] | Aval0n: | ahh |
| [18:21:43] | juski: | fanny adams |
| [18:21:56] | juski: | as in Sweet Fanny Adams |
| [18:22:00] | Aval0n: | yeah I could do the digital here too if all I wanted was like 30 channels |
| [18:22:04] | justdave: | conversely I also have some that are SD that it stretches instead of doing the vertical bars on the sides of it, but that's probably a different issue |
| [18:22:11] | Aval0n: | we get OTA ATSC chans |
| [18:22:14] | Aval0n: | like 30–40 of them |
| [18:22:31] | juski: | justdave: what res/aspect are you running mythtv on? what aspect override have you told it to use? |
| [18:22:31] | Paladine: | we get circa 200 free to view channels |
| [18:22:41] | Paladine: | circa 75 free to air channels |
| [18:22:52] | juski: | Paladine: approx 20 worth watching, on both forms |
| [18:23:05] | Paladine: | I don't use freeview so I wouldn't know :) |
| [18:23:08] | juski: | the rest are shitty gameshow/god/musak/shopping bullshit |
| [18:23:14] | justdave: | myth is running at 1280x720 |
| [18:23:26] | Aval0n: | juski, ok for ppl in the usa that are paying for digital cable like COX, how would you run that STB to multiple tuners? |
| [18:23:28] | justdave: | not sure that I've given it an override (outside of my experiments on the mplayer command line) |
| [18:23:40] | juski: | Aval0n: you need multiple STBs. end of story |
| [18:23:50] | juski: | justdave: mythtv has a setting for it. |
| [18:24:15] | Aval0n: | juski and would you need multiple firewire cables to control them? |
| [18:24:19] | juski: | justdave: tv playback settings menu, believe it or not |
| [18:24:25] | juski: | Aval0n: yup. |
| [18:24:28] | robbins876: | I ran into some hardware problems the other day, so as part of the diagnosis i was tried out a different video card to see if it was the culprit. luckily, it wasn't, however now when i boot into x it no longer shows the nvidia load screen thing and my computer seems somewhat slower now |
| [18:24:29] | Aval0n: | ouch |
| [18:24:34] | Aval0n: | that gets hairy doesnt it |
| [18:24:35] | kabtoffe: | justdave: add -monitoraspect 16:9 to the mplayer line |
| [18:24:36] | Paladine: | avalon, I control my stb with a usb device |
| [18:24:42] | robbins876: | Is there a problem with my drivers? |
| [18:24:45] | juski: | Aval0n: sucky I know, but that's because of the protectionist, limiting practises of your cable companies |
| [18:24:46] | justdave: | kabtoffe: tried that one already, that didn't help |
| [18:25:26] | Aval0n: | yeah |
| [18:25:38] | juski: | robbins876: if you no longer see the nvidia splash screen & you've not taken it out of xorg.conf, that means your nvidia driver is borked |
| [18:25:40] | Aval0n: | people steal cable out here like crazy |
| [18:25:44] | Aval0n: | and satellite |
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| [18:26:16] | juski: | you'd all be screwed if more people used NDS encryption. no software anywhere can defeat that |
| [18:26:32] | Aval0n: | not yet :) |
| [18:26:34] | juski: | I wish some would. I hate Murdoch |
| [18:26:35] | justdave: | ok, setting aspect override to 16:9 in tv playback settings didn't help |
| [18:26:39] | robbins876: | juski: alright, so should i re-install them? |
| [18:26:40] | Aval0n: | I would never steal TV anyway |
| [18:26:41] | Aval0n: | I can't |
| [18:26:49] | Aval0n: | working for police and all |
| [18:26:54] | juski: | Aval0n: it's been around for years, if it was gonna happen on any scale it woulda by now |
| [18:27:02] | juski: | Aval0n: they're the most bent of them all! |
| [18:27:10] | Aval0n: | juski nah |
| [18:27:16] | Aval0n: | depends on the area |
| [18:27:53] | juski: | in the UK we have a saying. "bullied at school? nobody likes you, not even your parents? Join the police!" |
| [18:28:06] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [18:28:09] | Aval0n: | that's funny |
| [18:28:36] | juski: | that's true. I've yet to meet a UK copper who isn't a jumped up, supercilious asshole with ideas above his station |
| [18:28:54] | Paladine: | juski, he is right though, if you live in a rich area you won't be bothered by the police where as if you live in a poor area you will, so it does depend on the area ;) |
| [18:29:05] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [18:29:18] | robbins876: | juski, before i re-install the drivers do i need to uninstall the old, broken one? |
| [18:29:23] | Aval0n: | more crime in poor areas |
| [18:29:29] | juski: | bothered by the police.. ROFLMAO. It was pretty damn hard to get a copper to come & bother me about my car being vandalised |
| [18:29:33] | Paladine: | Aval0n, not true at all |
| [18:29:47] | juski: | robbins876: er.. probably a good idea |
| [18:29:49] | Aval0n: | you won't get bothered if you aren't breaking laws. |
| [18:29:49] | Paladine: | Aval0n, more recorded crime in poor areas != more crime |
| [18:30:04] | Aval0n: | ahh |
| [18:30:11] | Aval0n: | so police discriminate against the poor |
| [18:30:11] | robbins876: | juski: i have no idea how to do that, is it an easy process? |
| [18:30:14] | Aval0n: | I guess that makes more sense |
| [18:30:40] | juski: | the more crime reported, the higher our insurance premiums get. and the police wonder why so few peope bother reporting crimes which likely won't get solved |
| [18:30:57] | Aval0n: | juski: I'm sure that's why ppl don't report crimes |
| [18:31:09] | Aval0n: | they're worried about their insurance premiums |
| [18:31:12] | Aval0n: | 0_o |
| [18:31:15] | juski: | it's precisely why I haven't |
| [18:31:34] | Aval0n: | what insurance premiums> |
| [18:31:36] | Aval0n: | auto? |
| [18:31:39] | Aval0n: | home owner? |
| [18:31:41] | juski: | I wouldn't mind if they got their finger out & *solved* some |
| [18:31:43] | juski: | Aval0n: either |
| [18:31:54] | Aval0n: | my premiums have only decreased |
| [18:31:58] | Aval0n: | never increased |
| [18:31:59] | Aval0n: | but ok.. |
| [18:32:11] | juski: | anyway, the guy who was damaging cars on my street is now dead, so maybe we should tell the insurers |
| [18:32:14] | Paladine: | decreased premiums? that is probably against the law in the UK |
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| [18:32:21] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [18:32:34] | Paladine: | I have never seen a premium decreaeon any insurance policy |
| [18:32:35] | juski: | death, taxes, ISPs being sucky and insurance premium increases |
| [18:32:35] | Aval0n: | damn you guys make it sound like the UK is fuct |
| [18:32:44] | juski: | Aval0n: because IT IS |
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| [18:32:48] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [18:32:50] | Paladine: | the UK is fuct |
| [18:33:04] | Aval0n: | damn |
| [18:33:08] | juski: | if my wife wasn't so concerned about emigrating, that's what I'd be looking to do right now |
| [18:33:09] | Aval0n: | I always heard it was nice |
| [18:33:12] | Paladine: | no more fuct than the US though |
| [18:33:18] | Aval0n: | <Shrug> |
| [18:33:20] | Aval0n: | I love the US |
| [18:33:21] | juski: | less than the US I think |
| [18:33:36] | Paladine: | of course you love the US you work for the popo :p |
| [18:33:41] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [18:33:46] | Aval0n: | I've only worked there 3 years |
| [18:33:50] | Aval0n: | and I'm not a cop |
| [18:33:51] | juski: | we don't have silly laws over here like "you can't drink, but you can buy as many guns & as much ammo as you want" |
| [18:34:01] | Aval0n: | who says you can't drink over here? |
| [18:34:01] | Paladine: | hehehe |
| [18:34:13] | juski: | Aval0n: in some states you can't. it's crazy |
| [18:34:15] | Aval0n: | there's no laws here saying that |
| [18:34:17] | Aval0n: | bullcrap |
| [18:34:23] | Aval0n: | you can drink in any state you want |
| [18:34:31] | Aval0n: | you can't wonder the streets intoxicated |
| [18:34:35] | Paladine: | Ihave been in prohibition "counties" |
| [18:34:36] | Aval0n: | for good reason |
| [18:34:41] | Paladine: | in the US |
| [18:34:45] | Paladine: | so yes they do exist |
| [18:34:50] | juski: | it's certainly true that in some places you can't drink til you're 21, yet you don't have to be as old to buy guns/ammo |
| [18:34:51] | Aval0n: | name one |
| [18:35:02] | Aval0n: | ok |
| [18:35:05] | Paladine: | Intercourse in Pennsylvania |
| [18:35:06] | Aval0n: | NOW you are talking about ages |
| [18:35:07] | justdave: | hmm, ok, I was eperimenting with the line-item player override in the database for the file I was playing... |
| [18:35:08] | Aval0n: | that is true |
| [18:35:12] | justdave: | which it's apparently ignoring |
| [18:35:16] | Aval0n: | but you can't buy a gun until you are 21 in most states either |
| [18:35:17] | Aval0n: | .... |
| [18:35:25] | justdave: | adding -monitoraspect 16:9 to the default player command worked |
| [18:35:26] | juski: | Aval0n: yeah in MOST states ;) |
| [18:35:34] | juski: | justdave: coolio |
| [18:35:36] | Aval0n: | <Shrug> |
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| [18:35:37] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [18:35:45] | AMD-ubuntuPOWEo: | hi guys |
| [18:36:02] | Aval0n: | juski: you'll always have a hard time talking about gun control and guns being bad to americans |
| [18:36:06] | juski: | Aval0n: seems daft to me that's all. you can buy weapons which can seriously mame & kill, but you can't have a social drink & stumble home |
| [18:36:13] | Aval0n: | our democracy was created at the business end of a musket. |
| [18:36:24] | ** juski sniggers ** | |
| [18:36:42] | Aval0n: | if you had a social drink you wouldn't be stumbling home :) |
| [18:36:52] | ** juski always books an ambulance home ** | |
| [18:36:54] | Aval0n: | that's just the law |
| [18:36:55] | Paladine: | Aval0n, there isn't a single modern political system that was setup under the power of arms |
| [18:36:57] | Aval0n: | it's not really enforced |
| [18:36:59] | Aval0n: | like in canada |
| [18:37:02] | Aval0n: | pot is illegal |
| [18:37:03] | Paladine: | wasn't |
| [18:37:09] | Aval0n: | but people wonder the streets smoking it |
| [18:37:09] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [18:37:19] | juski: | Aval0n: you serious? you can't walk home drunk? how the hell does that work? |
| [18:37:26] | Aval0n: | you can |
| [18:37:31] | Aval0n: | is what I'm saying |
| [18:37:35] | juski: | Aval0n: if we had laws against being drunk in a public place we'd all be in prison |
| [18:37:38] | Aval0n: | if you create a scene |
| [18:37:45] | Aval0n: | you will get nailed with public intoxication |
| [18:37:49] | Aval0n: | but if you just go home |
| [18:37:54] | Aval0n: | you won'te be hastled |
| [18:37:54] | Paladine: | juski, many towns in the UK do have laws about being drunk and disorderly |
| [18:37:58] | Paladine: | it is also in common law |
| [18:38:18] | juski: | it's the same here. drunk & disorderly,.. I wasn't talking about how harmless it is to get tanked up & smash up a town centre |
| [18:38:19] | Aval0n: | paladien |
| [18:38:23] | Aval0n: | what do you think civil wars are about |
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| [18:38:43] | Aval0n: | heheh anyway |
| [18:38:46] | Aval0n: | you guys rock |
| [18:38:56] | juski: | way you said it, sounded like you could get pulled for being wobbly on your feet after a few beers |
| [18:38:57] | Aval0n: | I don't wanna take the topic in this chan way off :) |
| [18:38:58] | Paladine: | I don't see what bearing civil wars has on the discussion |
| [18:39:00] | Aval0n: | you guys have a great day |
| [18:39:04] | Aval0n: | I gotta get my kids rady |
| [18:39:06] | Aval0n: | ready* |
| [18:39:18] | Aval0n: | <juski> way you said it, sounded like you could get pulled for being wobbly on your feet after a few beers |
| [18:39:20] | Aval0n: | nah.... |
| [18:39:24] | Aval0n: | just if you create a scene |
| [18:39:40] | Aval0n: | anyway |
| [18:39:42] | Aval0n: | see ya guys later |
| [18:39:47] | Paladine: | later |
| [18:39:48] | juski: | aye have fun |
| [18:39:55] | Paladine: | don't shoot anyone |
| [18:40:11] | Paladine: | unless it is george bush |
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| [18:50:32] | jblack: | The good thing about the US Secret service is that it protects the US presidents. The bad part is that it protects the bad presidents too. |
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| [18:53:14] | robbins876: | juski, think my slow menus could be a problem with my video drivers? |
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| [18:54:57] | AMD-ubuntuPOWEo: | /me is so exited about this http://mythtvmultiplex.osp.fi/ |
| [18:55:29] | laga: | word is it won't happen before 0.21 |
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| [18:58:56] | lwizardl: | Hi |
| [18:59:12] | lwizardl: | can someone help me with antenna setups for ota |
| [18:59:44] | g3k: | can you be more specific? |
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| [19:03:55] | systemloc: | where is mythtv's log file? |
| [19:05:23] | g3k: | /var/log/mythtv |
| [19:05:51] | systemloc: | is there any reason why it wouldn't create that file? |
| [19:07:21] | g3k: | offhand I would say to check permissions |
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| [19:07:39] | g3k: | I don't know of any setting that would stop logging |
| [19:07:53] | jams: | or it could be that by default myth doesn't write to a log file |
| [19:08:12] | g3k: | what are you running myth on? |
| [19:08:33] | systemloc: | slack 10 |
| [19:08:58] | g3k: | the path I gave was from ubuntu so there may be a different location for you |
| [19:09:06] | systemloc: | just starting out w/ it. it outputs to the terminal, but no log-file that I can see.. no error that would suggest it tried and failed, either |
| [19:09:15] | g3k: | can you see the logs from the frontend? |
| [19:09:39] | systemloc: | yeah, in the terminal I ran it from |
| [19:09:59] | systemloc: | ah, it has a logfile option |
| [19:10:01] | g3k: | no, under the system status item in the menu |
| [19:10:06] | systemloc: | oh |
| [19:10:27] | systemloc: | didn't look at that, but the --logfile option kinda solves my problem, anyway :D |
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| [19:11:15] | g3k: | ok, ubuntu runs it as a daemon with the logfile option. Should have looked there first :) |
| [19:11:50] | Aval0n: | anyone in here using a hauppauge media mvp for a frontend? |
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| [19:12:38] | systemloc: | your lucky enough that your distro has a package for it :) I've been desperately trying to build from scratch, and it's taken a lot of time to get all the dependencies taken care of by hand |
| [19:13:20] | Leebier: | i'm trying to start the lircd service, and i get nothing, no error message, but no indication of it succeeding or failing to start the service, just... a new bash line... any ideas? |
| [19:13:39] | systemloc: | Leebier: ps -A | grep lirc |
| [19:13:59] | Leebier: | 3194 ? 00:00:00 lirc_dev |
| [19:14:54] | systemloc: | I got lircd.. I don't know enough to know what lirc_dev is |
| [19:15:06] | systemloc: | but that shows you that that process is running in the background |
| [19:15:50] | Leebier: | i installed via rpms, lirc, lirc-devices, lirc-kmdl, and lirc-lib |
| [19:18:13] | Aval0n: | juski you around still? |
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| [19:23:13] | lwizardl: | g3k, sorry was outside |
| [19:23:49] | g3k: | no prob. just reading the news here |
| [19:23:50] | lwizardl: | g3k, i'm trying to decide on an outdoor antenna for ota hdtv & locals |
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| [19:24:28] | g3k: | have you checked antennaweb to see what they recommend? |
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| [19:31:35] | robbins876: | I hate the fact that wilsons guide makes you use atrpms, because it always messes up my machine |
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| [20:03:22] | xris: | robbins876: "makes you"? |
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| [20:03:43] | xris: | atrpms is currently the only place you can get mythtv packages for fedora. |
| [20:03:50] | xris: | livna will get them when .21 comes out. |
| [20:04:08] | xris: | and since jarod and I designed those packages, his guide will probably get updated. |
| [20:04:25] | lwizardl: | yes I have checked antenna web but it lists all colors in my area |
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| [20:33:25] | Leebier: | anyone know of any recent docs on configuring an IR blaster? the one i used (and have notes on how i changed) from iwamble.net is gone now, everything else is pretty old |
| [20:35:15] | Leebier: | sorry, an IR blaster to change channels |
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| [20:35:32] | Leebier: | or am i going to have to remove the yum-installed lircs and recompile? |
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| [20:40:04] | lwizardl: | whats the cheapest but usable HDTV card that works under mythtv? |
| [20:40:13] | lwizardl: | looking to get started |
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| [20:41:38] | AMD-ubuntuPOWEo: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category . . . apture_cards |
| [20:43:10] | AMD-ubuntuPOWEo: | lwizardl i dont really knwo |
| [20:44:42] | AMD-ubuntuPOWEo: | i think the pcHDTV is very good |
| [20:45:00] | AMD-ubuntuPOWEo: | most used card* |
| [20:47:38] | AMD-ubuntuPOWEo: | this is a very nice setup http://wendy.seltzer.org/photos/mythtv/063_myth_hdtv.jpg |
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| [21:14:44] | jarle: | my mythweb is having a hard time displaying program listings for my 1000+ channels :) |
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| [21:20:07] | xris: | jarle: not much we can do about that... |
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| [21:21:27] | jarle: | xris: I had to edit the apache settings so that it would be allowed to use more than 30 secs to complete a php request :) |
| [21:21:47] | xris: | jarle: you are definitely paying too much for tv. |
| [21:23:14] | robbins876: | [root@localhost robbins876]# /sbin/modprobe lirc_mceusb2 |
| [21:23:14] | robbins876: | FATAL: Module lirc_mceusb2 not found. |
| [21:23:24] | robbins876: | obviously that menas the driver isn't installed |
| [21:23:26] | robbins876: | correct? |
| [21:23:27] | xris: | robbins876: correct |
| [21:23:28] | jarle: | xris: mostly FTA channels :) |
| [21:23:53] | xris: | jarle: don't BS. there aren't that many. and don't talk about the other stuff here/ |
| [21:24:26] | robbins876: | xris: i updated my kernel and now it doesn't work. how do i reinstall the drivers? |
| [21:25:43] | xris: | robbins876: how'd you get them in the first place? |
| [21:26:43] | jarle: | xris: In my DVB-setup, if I only scan for free channels, I get about 1300... no BS... |
| [21:27:39] | xris: | must be a lot of radio type stuff... and if you're not in the US, I guess my knowledge is a bit limited of euro satellites |
| [21:29:26] | jarle: | How can I check how many channels mythtv has got? |
| [21:29:51] | xris: | select count(*) from channel; |
| [21:30:54] | gbee: | xris: wasn't there talk of allowing paged navigation of the channels, 50–100 channels per page? |
| [21:31:37] | xris: | LONG ago... |
| [21:31:42] | xris: | but probably won't happen. |
| [21:31:53] | xris: | moving the mouseover stuff into ajax will speed that page up enough. |
| [21:31:54] | jarle: | xris: what would the complete command line be? |
| [21:32:12] | xris: | jarle: that's not a commandline call.. it's an sql query. you'd need to go into mysql and run it. |
| [21:32:25] | jams: | xris opera works now |
| [21:33:32] | jarle: | xris: and I guess I have to open a database from within mysql? |
| [21:34:04] | robbins876: | alright, i re-installed the lirc drivers, but when i do /usr/bin/irw it just jumps down to a new line |
| [21:34:33] | robbins876: | i think lircd shuts down after i start it |
| [21:34:52] | xris: | jarle: mysql -u root -p mythconverg |
| [21:35:10] | robbins876: | why is that |
| [21:35:11] | robbins876: | ? |
| [21:35:30] | xris: | robbins876: -v? strace? |
| [21:36:06] | robbins876: | what? |
| [21:37:22] | xris: | try running lircd by hand |
| [21:37:29] | robbins876: | i'm doing that right now |
| [21:37:31] | robbins876: | i think |
| [21:37:36] | robbins876: | i type lircd -n |
| [21:37:42] | robbins876: | then run irw in a different term windo |
| [21:37:57] | robbins876: | and it says it could not open /dev/lirc |
| [21:38:04] | robbins876: | defaul_init(): No such device |
| [21:40:42] | floppyears: | thanks sphery |
| [21:40:59] | floppyears: | sphery: cool, I didn't know there were logs :) |
| [21:41:22] | xris: | jams: thx for noticing that, btw... someoe should update wikipedia's useragent list |
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| [21:42:52] | jarle: | xris: according to mysql I have 3085 channels in myth right now, That includes 3 inputs with only free channels (no radio) and one input with all tv-channels (no radio)... |
| [21:44:35] | jarle: | xris: not sure if a scan for only free channels gives correct result 100% of the time though... |
| [21:45:03] | xris: | that's just too much tv. |
| [21:45:23] | defaultro: | question folks. I just formatted my /video and nothing is there but according to df, it's used 188M |
| [21:46:14] | jarle: | xris: thats why I find myth's way of browsing channels a bit ackward :) |
| [21:46:59] | jarle: | defaultro: /video is a partition or a whole disk? |
| [21:47:05] | defaultro: | whole disk |
| [21:47:36] | defaultro: | df says, SIZE is 226G, Used column is 188M and Avail column is 214G |
| [21:47:49] | xris: | jarle: you can't browse 3000 channels no matter what format they're displayed in |
| [21:47:51] | defaultro: | Use% column is 1% |
| [21:48:13] | defaultro: | is my HDD screwed up |
| [21:49:10] | jarle: | xris: my dreambox does a fairly good job... |
| [21:49:17] | defaultro: | then dmesg is saying hdc: drive_cmd: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| [21:49:39] | defaultro: | but just 2 lines |
| [21:50:05] | xris: | jarle: you've reached the "WAY < 1% of users" category.... |
| [21:50:58] | jarle: | WAY? |
| [21:51:43] | xris: | "way over".. as in "so far above/beyond" (or in this case, below) |
| [21:52:10] | jarle: | defaultro: SeekComplete Error tends not to be a good one in my experience.. |
| [21:54:42] | defaultro: | yes, I just read this whole webpage and it's awesome -> http://www.captain.at/howto-linux-driveready- . . . tuserror.php |
| [21:54:53] | defaultro: | there is nothing for me to worry about ;) |
| [21:55:09] | jarle: | xris: If only mythtv would provide me with a good way of arranging the channels so I could sort out all the crappy channels I would be happy.... |
| [21:55:20] | defaultro: | as long as I don't see Uncorrectable ECC errors, I shouldn't worry :) |
| [21:55:29] | tank-man: | jarle, you can group them in favorites |
| [21:55:37] | defaultro: | but still wondering why I am missing a lot of space in /video |
| [21:56:03] | xris: | jarle: you can make channels invisible... not sure what the UI is for that, though |
| [21:56:26] | mishehu: | I suppose that it's not yet possible to use the "juju" firewire stack with all the appropriate libraries in order to record off of firewire? |
| [21:56:29] | jarle: | tank-man: yeah, I know... I have heard that better grouping capabilities are comming soon.. looking forward to that! |
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| [21:57:16] | mokkan: | hey, i cant get the "Good" quality option working for ripping DVDs |
| [21:57:21] | mokkan: | and im not getting any log messages |
| [21:57:32] | mokkan: | it just wont process the jobs if i have the quality set to "Good" |
| [21:58:02] | defaultro: | is there any command that will dump info about bad sectors? |
| [21:58:31] | jarle: | it would be great if myth would tell me that a channel is encrypted so I would know why it can't show it, and I do not have to worry about if my signal strength is good enough... |
| [21:58:37] | ** xris curses IE ** | |
| [21:58:50] | ** xris wonders if he can tell schedules direct users that they just can't use IE to manage lineups... ** | |
| [21:59:10] | xris: | jarle: when you scan for channels, there's an option to ignore encrypted channels |
| [21:59:12] | jarle: | defaultro: which distro are you using? |
| [21:59:58] | defaultro: | fedora |
| [22:01:06] | jarle: | xris: I have used this option for all but one input. For the last input I have some pay-channels.. and as a result I also have a lot of channels on this input that I do not pay for that I can not decrypt, and that I do not want in my listings... |
| [22:01:23] | defaultro: | can I make this an xfs fs? |
| [22:02:13] | jarle: | defaultro: sure you can.. |
| [22:02:41] | defaultro: | how come i don't have mkfs.xfs? |
| [22:03:45] | xris: | defaultro: xfs-utils package? |
| [22:03:48] | xris: | it's not default in fedora |
| [22:03:56] | defaultro: | ah, thanks xris as always ;) |
| [22:04:22] | defaultro: | i will format it first to see if this disk have bad sectors. It already started 2 mins ago |
| [22:04:46] | defaultro: | i was really wondering why df -h is reporting missing numbers |
| [22:05:18] | jams: | defaultro- some filesystems reserve space for it's own usage |
| [22:06:11] | defaultro: | im using ext3 |
| [22:06:17] | defaultro: | but it's really weird |
| [22:06:40] | defaultro: | 230g in Size, 188M in Used and 218G in Avail via df -h |
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| [22:18:55] | jams: | finally this plugin stuff is starting to work |
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| [22:22:52] | ARfdee: | hi |
| [22:22:53] | ARfdee: | i am getting errors on mythtvupdate |
| [22:23:01] | ARfdee: | Connecting to datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com|206.18.98.160|:80... connected. |
| [22:23:01] | ARfdee: | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized |
| [22:23:01] | ARfdee: | Failed writing HTTP request: Bad file descriptor. |
| [22:24:17] | fuse_: | hm |
| [22:24:24] | fuse_: | It does that everytime? |
| [22:24:26] | ARfdee: | what do i do, sirs and ma;ams |
| [22:24:27] | ARfdee: | yes |
| [22:24:55] | fuse_: | well, it appears that the fd is getting messed up somewhere or the socket open is failing |
| [22:25:25] | ARfdee: | how do you mean? |
| [22:26:02] | fuse_: | From the message it appears that it is attempt to write HTTP GET to the provided socket |
| [22:26:06] | fuse_: | and that socket is no good |
| [22:26:09] | fuse_: | I will look at the code |
| [22:27:27] | ARfdee: | rpm -qif /usr/bin/mythfilldatabase |
| [22:27:36] | ARfdee: | Name : mythtv-backend Relocations: (not relocatable) |
| [22:27:36] | ARfdee: | Version : 0.20.1 Vendor: ATrpms.net |
| [22:27:36] | ARfdee: | Release : 161.fc7 |
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| [22:29:20] | fuse_: | are you running the mythfilldatabase command? |
| [22:29:23] | ARfdee: | i just got back from a long trip and had updated via yum |
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| [22:29:24] | ARfdee: | yes sir |
| [22:30:11] | fuse_: | That is wget, isn't it? |
| [22:30:21] | ARfdee: | i assume so |
| [22:30:32] | fuse_: | what does dmesg say? |
| [22:30:43] | ARfdee: | nothing regarding that |
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| [22:31:11] | promacuser: | is there any reason why mythtranscode would not be installed in a knoppmyth installation? |
| [22:31:33] | promacuser: | also, is there a place to install the program on its own/ |
| [22:32:51] | fuse_: | ARfdee: try wget'ing another url |
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| [22:35:37] | fuse_: | ARfdee: i checked the source and it is simply making a wget call. |
| [22:35:45] | fuse_: | calling system(wget ...) |
| [22:36:07] | fuse_: | The issue really isn't mythtv in this case. |
| [22:36:55] | fuse_: | I would check all your inet interfaces, the user your are running mythfilldatabase at, any kernel security policies or SELinux stuff that may have been enabled. |
| [22:37:25] | fuse_: | SELinux generally dumps info when a policy gets enforced(dmesg). |
| [22:38:12] | ARfdee: | ok |
| [22:39:06] | ARfdee: | http://www.pastebin.ca/654931 |
| [22:40:41] | fuse_: | well, i've never seen wget give the file descriptor error. But it isn't going to work anyway. |
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| [22:40:58] | promacuser: | myth2ipod fails because it says i have to have mythtranscode, which appears to be missing, for whatever reason |
| [22:41:10] | fuse_: | ARfdee: you are getting access denied, you need to find another source to get your data |
| [22:42:55] | fuse_ is now known as fuse | |
| [22:43:44] | laga: | promacuser: use "locate" |
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| [22:45:18] | promacuser: | laga: oh, shoot, there it is. how do i make it executable from anywhere? link it i think i mean |
| [22:45:29] | laga: | promacuser: where is it? |
| [22:45:53] | promacuser: | laga: /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/mythtranscode |
| [22:46:08] | laga: | it shouldn't be there |
| [22:46:16] | promacuser: | laga: i figured |
| [22:46:22] | laga: | um |
| [22:46:37] | laga: | promacuser: use apt-cache search and apt-file to find out where it's gone ;) |
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| [22:47:37] | promacuser: | laga: sorry, i've never used apt-cache before. it didn't say anything |
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| [22:47:56] | promacuser: | apt-cache search mythtranscode |
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| [22:48:00] | promacuser: | returns nothign |
| [22:48:17] | laga: | promacuser: do you have both mythtv-backend and mythtv-frontend installed? i'm not familiar with how knoppmyth does $things these days |
| [22:48:31] | promacuser: | laga: yes, they are both there, i think |
| [22:48:49] | laga: | hum |
| [22:49:02] | laga: | try the knoppmyth forums then, i'm lost |
| [22:49:05] | promacuser: | laga: they are in the same directory for whatever reason |
| [22:49:12] | laga: | really? |
| [22:49:13] | laga: | wow |
| [22:49:22] | laga: | it's probably intentional then, but unusual |
| [22:49:31] | promacuser: | along with mythcommflag, mythfilldatabase, etc et |
| [22:49:33] | promacuser: | c |
| [22:50:03] | promacuser: | all of which i used to be able to run, but suddenly now can't from the command line... |
| [22:50:04] | promacuser: | hmm |
| [22:52:13] | Paladine: | anyone tried to setup mythfrontend on a nokia 770 yet? |
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| [22:55:38] | promacuser: | well, i tried to reboot and now nothing is working. maybe that's not a surprise. |
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| [22:57:52] | laga: | promacuser: it seems you installed some debug packages... |
| [22:58:02] | laga: | promacuser: what does dpkg -l | grep myth say? > pastebin |
| [22:58:20] | jarle: | Trying to do some missing translation for mythtv.... what is the "watch list" in regards to the PlaybackBox? |
| [22:58:36] | promacuser: | laga: i don't know. i'm stuck on the splash screen after my reboot. this might just take a complete reinstall... |
| [22:58:54] | jams: | jarle-shows that have not been watched |
| [22:59:13] | laga: | promacuser: if you don't feel like fixing it, yes. |
| [22:59:19] | laga: | login over ssh or something ;) |
| [22:59:37] | promacuser: | laga: ssh is timing out. this is really weird. |
| [22:59:44] | laga: | um |
| [22:59:45] | laga: | yes |
| [23:01:21] | promacuser: | just absolutely frozen on the splash screen |
| [23:02:43] | promacuser: | tharr be your reason |
| [23:02:54] | promacuser: | DISK BOOT FAILURE |
| [23:03:28] | jarle: | hmmm... so "Watch List" is a list of unwatched shows, and "Show Watch List" show a list of unwatched shows?? |
| [23:04:00] | jarle: | What will "Show Watch List" do? |
| [23:04:48] | juski: | show you shows you need to watch |
| [23:05:19] | juski: | I've not even used it yet I know that. hmmm why is that I wonder? |
| [23:05:26] | jarle: | I didn't know it would be that hard to do a little translation, but when you don't know then context it not as straight-forward as I had thought.. |
| [23:05:56] | juski: | heh |
| [23:06:54] | Paladine: | juski you reckon mythfrontend would work on a nokia n770? |
| [23:07:13] | Paladine: | I have it in my openembedded packages |
| [23:07:20] | Paladine: | so I could build it with no problems |
| [23:07:21] | ** juski reminds Paladine that he is strictly 1.0 ** | |
| [23:07:40] | Paladine: | 1.0? |
| [23:07:54] | juski: | web tablets. ffs. of all the techno-frippery |
| [23:08:20] | Paladine: | juski, I am already running my iPAQ as a full time webserver |
| [23:08:33] | Paladine: | I was thinking a nokia n770 running mythfrontend would kinda sweet :) |
| [23:08:48] | fuse: | That'd by cool. |
| [23:08:49] | juski: | prolly hasn't got the grunt to play sdtv |
| [23:09:02] | juski: | cool != useful ;) |
| [23:09:05] | Paladine: | it has hardware mpeg2 and mpeg4 encoder |
| [23:09:09] | fuse: | I like the mythtvfrontend on a pda but still have it play out of the television |
| [23:09:17] | fuse: | which i think would be rather simple |
| [23:09:24] | Paladine: | I have playedmpeg4 on my iPAQ which is the same architecture as the n770 with no problems |
| [23:09:44] | juski: | there's a whole project for a frontend on web tablets somewhere |
| [23:09:54] | juski: | nothing to do with mythtv officially though |
| [23:10:05] | Paladine: | yeahI have the package for it already |
| [23:10:12] | Paladine: | it is part of openembedded |
| [23:10:39] | juski: | I'm 100% cynical. unless I can see a real use for these toys I don't see the point in em |
| [23:11:23] | juski: | like those stupid tablet-pc based remotes. who the hell needs a remote with a 14" screen to turn on the TV which is 5 feet away from them? |
| [23:12:12] | juski: | eeey I remember t' days when t'only remote control in t'house was me |
| [23:12:50] | juski: | I'm no luddite, honestly – but I just don't get gadgets for gadgets sake;) |
| [23:13:36] | ** jams looks up luddite ** | |
| [23:13:38] | juski: | so no, I've no idea what mythfrontend would be like on a n770. to put it harshly, couldn't give a flying f.. best of luck to all who try |
| [23:14:03] | ** jams now knows what luddite means ** | |
| [23:15:00] | Paladine: | juski, I am more interested in it as something I can use in the garden without having to spend money on a laptop |
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| [23:16:17] | juski: | sorry I'm just not moved |
| [23:16:33] | juski: | call me a non-believer if you like ;) |
| [23:16:39] | Paladine: | you non believer :p |
| [23:17:01] | Paladine: | juski, http://lipax.paladine.org.uk <- 2.5W peak usage webserver :p |
| [23:17:24] | juski: | I hear tell there are these clever boxes they call 'conscooters' or something & they can do all manner of amazing things, even record television shows for Pete's sakes. Pure witchcraft, I tell you! |
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| [23:17:46] | juski: | Paladine: can I host my themes on it? |
| [23:18:04] | juski: | doing about 15GB/mo at busy times, so I've been told |
| [23:18:36] | shodan: | did zap2it already pull the plug on the EPG service ? I'm running mythfilldatabase and I'm getting nothing "2007-08–12 19:16:54.889 Data refresh needed because no data exists for day @ offset 13 from 6PM – midnight." |
| [23:18:40] | Paladine: | that iPAQ has served almost 6000 pages in 12 days |
| [23:18:42] | juski: | shodan: no |
| [23:19:02] | shodan: | oh ok, must be somthing wrong with my setup then |
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| [23:19:19] | tank-man: | shodan, maybe you need to renew |
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| [23:20:33] | jarle: | Doing the Norwegian translation I even found a typo in the source text: "For example, setting Start to 11 and End to 13 would mean that the process would only run between 11:00 AM and 1:59 PM." |
| [23:20:48] | shodan: | oh yeah, it expired ;) |
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| [23:20:52] | fryfrog: | shodan: i've seen them do some channel revamps, they removed one of my "lineups" when the listing for it when away |
| [23:20:56] | fryfrog: | or... yeah, that too |
| [23:21:27] | jarle: | Guess that should be between 11:00 AM and 12:59 PM? |
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| [23:23:06] | juski: | the help text has to explain what start & end times mean? oh lord |
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| [23:26:29] | jarle: | juski: the translation files are quite.... how shall I put it... inclusive... :) |
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| [23:44:15] | ARfdee: | fuse? |
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| [23:45:08] | fuse: | ARfdee: ? |
| [23:45:23] | ARfdee: | what can i do? |
| [23:46:05] | fuse: | well |
| [23:46:11] | fuse: | I am not up on the tv listings thing |
| [23:46:16] | laga: | my tuner cards get so hot that touching them hurts :( |
| [23:46:41] | fuse: | but on mythtv.org it says that zap2it is going to stop offereing tv listings to the us and canada |
| [23:47:24] | fuse: | maybe they got a head start |
| [23:48:00] | ARfdee: | fuse: so what do i do? |
| [23:48:56] | fuse: | well, any forseeable solution that I see would require patience, or coding. |
| [23:50:19] | fuse: | http://www.schedulesdirect.org/ |
| [23:52:38] | ARfdee: | fuse: so no one else can use mythfilldatabase right now? |
| [23:53:14] | ** Toxicity999 tests ** | |
| [23:53:17] | fuse: | I'm afraid I can't give a good answer to that question...I am not one of the developers. |
| [23:54:03] | Toxicity999: | looks like it works for me fine now, they don't kill the service till the 1st of sep. |
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| [23:54:16] | ARfdee: | is my problem due to something else? |
| [23:54:29] | Toxicity999: | I'd think so |
| [23:54:33] | Toxicity999: | I'm updating fine now =P |
| [23:54:34] | fuse: | ARfdee: can you send me the entire wget string? |
| [23:54:59] | ** juski is done here ** | |
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| [23:55:09] | GreyFoxx: | ARfdee: what is your problem running mythfilldatabase ? |
| [23:55:16] | ARfdee: | http://pastebin.ca/654980 |
| [23:55:21] | ARfdee: | that is my problem, right there, my friends |
| [23:55:56] | blackest: | anyone know how to search the logbots records |
| [23:56:03] | fuse: | I get unauthorized |
| [23:56:11] | fuse: | 401 error back from the wget |
| [23:56:17] | GreyFoxx: | Are you 100% positive you have the righr username/pass entered in mythtv-setup ? |
| [23:56:32] | laga: | "bad file descriptor" looks interesting. is that a normal message? |
| [23:56:35] | GreyFoxx: | You always get 401 the first attempt, then it uses the username and password on the 2nd attempt |
| [23:56:50] | GreyFoxx: | Assuming the username and password are accurate |
| [23:57:03] | fuse: | laga: it does look interesting, but his issue is stemming from the 401 |
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