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Wednesday, August 1st, 2007, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:17] rhollan: SPDIF to an Outlaw audio A/V preamp to an Odyssey AMP driving BG Radio 520 speakers
[00:00:38] kormoc: given hd is around 20 to 25 megabit/sec, G has a chance to do it as well
[00:00:38] rhollan: And a gateway 1920x1200 24" HD LCD (need a bigger one!)
[00:00:48] cesman: rhollan: thanks but I don't need the details
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[00:01:04] cesman: simply thought you might want to share with other...
[00:01:11] rhollan: sorrym, cesman, I am pumped! This was a dream of mine for yearz
[00:01:16] kormoc: rhollan, tho how you're getting more then the max speed N offers is quite strange
[00:01:18] rhollan: But I will doc it somewhere
[00:01:21] hads: Basically, myth on a Nano-ITX
[00:01:31] cesman: rhollan: no worries
[00:01:42] cesman: glad to see your dream come thru
[00:01:54] rhollan: kormoc: dunno, that's what iwconfig says. But it's fast enough to stream 1080i MPEG 2 from an nfs mounted share
[00:01:59] cesman: by providing details, you can help others :)
[00:02:20] Slyboots: AGH!!
[00:02:27] rhollan: I plan to do that cesman, though I'll be driving from Seattle to San Diego for a new job on Thursday/Friday
[00:02:29] ** Slyboots stab-stab-stabs the card "Why wont you work!!" **
[00:02:36] kormoc: rhollan, that value isn't actually speed, so you know
[00:02:40] cesman: good luck!
[00:02:40] Slyboots: What is your major malfuction num-nuts!
[00:02:56] rhollan: kormoc: sure, but as long as I can stream 1080i I'm happy
[00:04:38] kormoc: rhollan, I understand, it's just better to not quote a speed that you're not actually getting, otherwise people might try (fruitlessly) to match it
[00:04:39] rhollan: next is to swap the mobo for an 800 MHz version instead of the 1.3 GHz version and go completly fanless
[00:04:47] rhollan: kormoc: true that.
[00:05:20] rhollan: heck, what's cool is that ndiswrapper actually works on the damn nanoITX for that USB preN dongle
[00:05:21] mishehu: fanless... I got a MSI Axis 700 with a nanoitx 1GHz C7 in it, fanless
[00:06:00] rhollan: mishehu: this is the one with a CN400 and VT1625, though I'm driving the display via VGA
[00:07:24] rhollan: It should really have 1.0 GB RAM instead of 512MB to render HD — otherwise X complains about not being able to do XvMC for lack or RAM
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[00:07:33] rhollan: sometimes
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[00:09:12] rhollan: man: wireless kbd to myth box, wireless LAN to server (with WPA2 goodness), and wireless to ISP
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[00:09:43] ** rhollan remembers running CAT5e throught too many houses he's owned **
[00:10:43] Tanthrix: Wireless is the devil.
[00:10:56] ** hads hugs his wires **
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[00:11:10] Tanthrix: Great for laptop web surfing – bad for everything else!
[00:11:42] rhollan: Tanthrix: I dunno if I can stream 1080i thru the air, I'm happy
[00:12:00] rhollan: but, I agree that wires are more robust
[00:12:34] Tanthrix: Hopefully N will improve things a bit
[00:13:17] fryfrog: wireless is for nanzyboys
[00:13:22] fryfrog: nancy even
[00:13:25] rhollan: runnung pre-N now, and it's not bad
[00:13:27] Slyboots: Also, it FRIES your bain
[00:13:28] Slyboots: *Brain
[00:13:41] Slyboots: With its Elecrosmog.. bullshit thingy they came up with
[00:15:23] Tanthrix: Just take some of my trusty homoepathic anti-EM pills and you'll be right as rain
[00:15:31] rhollan: da dum... da dum... da dum... now we just gotta worry about the sharks with head-mounted lasers
[00:16:50] rhollan: The other neat thing about the box is that it runs glxgears with 3D accel at around 1100 FPS
[00:17:20] hads: A little excited?
[00:17:30] rhollan: a little
[00:17:48] rhollan: Damn. Google got back to me AFTER I accepted the SD job
[00:17:55] rhollan: would've rather stayed in Seattle
[00:17:58] rhollan: ah well
[00:19:37] Slyboots: Okay! Right, I have the TV card working in Windows
[00:19:47] Slyboots: ... So why the hell does it not work on linux -.-
[00:20:11] phreck: Hauppage wintv-HVR-1600 work with Myth TV?
[00:20:35] rhollan: phreck: if V4L supports it, why not?
[00:20:52] Slyboots: Okay, Has anyone setup a Nova-T in MyhtTV, I could honestly use some help
[00:20:57] Slyboots: Im at the edge of my sanity
[00:21:13] phreck: rhollan: ive never used myth tv before
[00:21:23] phreck: and i was considering cutting over my media box to linux
[00:21:29] phreck: IF the card is supported.
[00:21:32] phreck: SO just curious.
[00:21:43] rhollan: phreck: if Linux supports it, you should be O.K., so that's the first thing to check/Google
[00:23:07] phreck: heh.
[00:23:14] phreck: Ok.
[00:24:05] phreck: its not supported.
[00:24:06] phreck: thanks.
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[00:24:58] Slyboots: Apparnetly the Nova-T is one of the best suppored card
[00:25:00] Slyboots: *card
[00:25:05] rhollan: hey, does myth support IR out to control external devices (like preamps)? I suppose I could use lirc IR to control myth and separately the preamp but I like the use a wireless keyboard instead (search music, etc.)
[00:25:06] Slyboots: "Cards"
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[00:38:44] daum: where doe smythbackend get its login information for the mysql server?
[00:40:21] Tanthrix: mysql.txt in ~/.mythtv
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[00:43:16] rhollan: gotta go get my car from the shop. Later!
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[00:46:19] cout: finally got hdtv reception working, but the video isn't taking up the full screen.. it's a rectangle in the middle of the screen. why's it doing that?
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[00:47:33] wh0dat: what causes seeing every other line, when pausing, during a lot of motion?
[00:47:37] Slyboots: cout: Aspect?
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[00:48:22] daum: do i need anything else installed for my happauge pvr 350 to work other than ivtv and ivtv-fb modules modprobed?
[00:49:23] daum: since it isn't finding it =\
[00:50:05] cout: actually, it's only doing it on some channels
[00:50:05] Slyboots: I think you have to offer your first born
[00:50:15] cout: maybe the non-HD channels?
[00:52:17] Slyboots: Okay, My brain is about to fry here
[00:52:40] Slyboots: I installed my Nova-T card, Modprobed so the dvr0, frontend0 etc all show up in /dev/dvb/adaptor0
[00:52:49] Slyboots: Ran "scan" which detected all the stations
[00:52:55] cout: there's also some tearing or something going on when the camera pans
[00:53:09] Slyboots: So.. Why does scanning for stations in myth fail? and I cant even product video from the card
[00:54:30] cout: slyboots: can you tune to a station with azap/czap/scap/tzcap?
[00:54:37] cout: s/scap/szap/
[00:54:42] cout: s/tzcap/tzap/
[00:54:46] cout: ugh I can't type today :)
[00:55:59] Slyboots: cout: well zap says it gets a "lock" but I get no video/audio from xine or mythtv
[00:56:02] Slyboots: or mplayer
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[00:57:16] cout: hmm. anything in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog?
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[00:58:18] daum: hm any ideas on why my happauge pvr 350 can't be opend=(
[00:58:18] wh0dat: is there a way to stop interlaced lines, i see them most evidently when pausing a show
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[01:00:40] Slyboots: Aug 1 01:46:33 Mythbox kernel: [ 819.039262] cx88[0]/0: unknown tv audio mode [0]
[01:03:03] Slyboots: Just that over and over
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[01:14:07] Slyboots: I dont get why this is not working
[01:14:24] Slyboots: 2007-08–01 02:11:43.241 TVRec(2) Error: Failed to set channel to BBC THREE.
[01:14:27] Slyboots: 2007-08–01 02:11:43.326 TVRec(2) Error: GetProgramRingBufferForLiveTV()
[01:14:29] Slyboots: ProgramInfo is invalid.
[01:14:34] Slyboots: I get that in my mythtvbackend log when I try to view TV
[01:14:43] Slyboots: the card works fine in windwos, so its not faulty :(
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[01:19:12] cout: ah, sweet xvmc
[01:19:35] cout: slyboots: did you try search for that error msg in google?
[01:19:47] Slyboots: Its not tuning the card in right
[01:19:57] Slyboots: But Im trying to get it working in mplayer or xine first
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[01:26:02] Slyboots: Okay, If I tune the station in with dvbscan, and pipe that throught to mplayer
[01:26:36] Slyboots: I get "Playing -. ~ reading from stdin.. ~ Audiostream: Layer 2 BRate: 256kb/s Freq 48.0 kHz
[01:26:42] Slyboots: But no picture, and no sound
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[01:45:44] cout: slyboots: you might not have a signal; is your antenna oriented properly?
[01:45:58] cout: how far are you from the station?
[01:46:01] Slyboots: cout: zap and dvbscan can detect a signal
[01:46:12] cout: at what snr?
[01:46:18] Slyboots: They detect several signals, all with a +98% quality ratiing
[01:46:28] Slyboots: snr? uh.. ffff
[01:46:58] cout: that should be enough
[01:47:49] GreyFoxx: Slyboots: What is your video source?
[01:48:07] Slyboots: RF from the master socket in this building
[01:48:18] GreyFoxx: What is the provider?
[01:48:23] Slyboots: I checked it on a local TV and freeview box and it gave a execlent signal
[01:48:35] Slyboots: Provider? Uh.. I dunno.. local goverment I guess
[01:48:47] GreyFoxx: ok, so you are positive that the channel you are tuned to is not encrypted in someway ?
[01:48:52] Slyboots: Yes
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[01:49:04] Slyboots: I'll try.. BBC ONE Scotland
[01:49:09] GreyFoxx: cause the symptons you describe sounds like an encrypted channel
[01:49:15] Slyboots: Right, Signal locked
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[01:50:32] Slyboots: Nothign, no video out
[01:51:33] Slyboots: Aug 1 02:39:16 Mythbox kernel: [ 3979.240706] cx88[0]/0: unknown tv audio mode [0]
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[01:53:17] banyan: Hey, what is the scoop with libdca?
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[01:53:48] banyan: What combination of crossing my eyes, holding my breath and sacrificing chickens do I need to do to get around this particular foobar?
[01:54:05] banyan: It's ruh-uh-uh-eeeeee-eeeallyy p**ing me off.
[01:54:11] GreyFoxx: banyan: What problem are you referring to specifically
[01:54:35] banyan: Scuse the small paste:
[01:54:43] banyan: Error: Unresolveable requirement libdts.so.0 for xine-lib-extras-nonfree
[01:54:43] banyan: Error: Missing Dependency: libdts.so.0 is needed by package libdca-devel
[01:54:43] banyan: Error: Missing Dependency: libdts.so.0 is needed by package libdca-tools
[01:54:43] banyan: Error: Missing Dependency: libdts.so.0 is needed by package mplayer
[01:54:43] banyan: Error: Missing Dependency: libdca = 0.0.2–3.lvn7 is needed by package libdca-devel
[01:54:44] banyan: Error: Unresolveable requirement libdts.so.0 for ffmpeg-libs
[01:55:10] banyan: Livna has the libdca with the correct libdts.so.0.
[01:55:11] Slyboots: So.. fuck hell I dont know anymore
[01:55:19] banyan: It's one version old.
[01:55:35] banyan: Fedora has the new one but it doesn't apparently satisfy the dependency.
[01:56:02] banyan: So, I'm trying various exclude= in my yum repo files but I haven't hit on the winning combo.
[01:57:06] banyan: There are a zillion package updates I'd like to apply to stay current but this one stupid problem has my system buggered so I can't install them short of getting them indiviidually.
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[01:58:23] GreyFoxx: Sounds like you need to talk to the packagers :)
[01:58:37] ** GreyFoxx has no libdca **
[01:58:58] banyan: Do you use ffmpeg?
[01:59:23] GreyFoxx: indirectly I use the ffmpeg libs since myth has it';s own versions of them
[01:59:32] GreyFoxx: but as for ffmpeg itself, rarely
[02:00:56] GreyFoxx: only time I use ffmpeg is really just when mythweb starts it to do the flash streams of recordings
[02:01:58] banyan: If you remove libdca you have to remove mythtv-suite.
[02:02:27] GreyFoxx: That would be aconstraint put on your by your packagers
[02:04:16] ** jams wonders what libdca is **
[02:04:29] GreyFoxx: apparently something libdts referrences
[02:05:08] jams: heh..nice big fat warning on it's webpage
[02:05:11] Slyboots: I may kill someone
[02:05:19] Slyboots: Starting with GreyFoxx, his + mocks me o.o
[02:05:31] GreyFoxx: Hmmmm actually it's a renamed libdts
[02:05:31] jams: BIG FAT WARNING: libdca is still in early development stage so don't expect too much of it
[02:05:46] Slyboots: I honestly dont know how much more I can take
[02:05:55] Slyboots: As far as I can tell.. the card *appears* to be working
[02:05:58] Slyboots: I just.. dont get a signal
[02:06:06] GreyFoxx: Slyboots: you culd always use dvbsnoop to grab the entire transport and run it through tsreader
[02:06:09] Slyboots: Despite the fact dvbscan and zap, says I do
[02:06:18] Slyboots: ... how do I do that o.O
[02:06:18] GreyFoxx: but I don't know what that error code is that you posted
[02:07:22] GreyFoxx: For instance if I want to grab a dump of the entire transport on my adapter1 I would use dvbsnoop -s ts -adapter 1 -b -tsraw > moo.ts
[02:07:33] GreyFoxx: then I just CTRL-C after 30 seconds or so
[02:08:01] GreyFoxx: then load moo.ts up in tsreader
[02:08:09] GreyFoxx: it will pull out all pids and channels
[02:08:10] Slyboots: O.. That does nothing
[02:08:13] GreyFoxx: even show screenshots
[02:08:15] Slyboots: It just drops to a newline
[02:08:16] k-man: last night one of my dvb-t recordings kept skipping a second or so every 10 seconds or so
[02:08:26] k-man: any idea what could cause that?
[02:08:37] GreyFoxx: Slyboots: Make sure you use the right adapter number for you
[02:09:06] Slyboots: -adaptor 0
[02:09:13] Slyboots: that should be right..
[02:09:23] Slyboots: thats what is is called under /dev/dvb/adaptor0
[02:11:17] Slyboots: Also.. dont have this tsreader.. and its not under ampt
[02:11:25] GreyFoxx: It's a windows app :)
[02:11:36] GreyFoxx: I run it in a windows vmware session :)
[02:11:39] Slyboots: .... yea thats going to be a problem
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[02:13:16] Slyboots: I cant even get it to capture
[02:14:06] jams: GreyFoxx- about your idea with keeping up to date lirc files. I almost wonder if it might be better as a webpage instead of built in to myth. If myth is only able to download the file, I could see it confusing new users. "Myth configured lirc, but it doesn't work"
[02:14:18] Slyboots: ...
[02:14:27] Slyboots: Helps if I spell adapter correctly..
[02:14:32] Slyboots: *rubs his eyes*
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[02:14:56] my2keh: any way to stop a drive from being "checked"
[02:15:08] my2keh: I guess I've rebooted 35 times
[02:15:11] jams: other then that i do like the idea =)
[02:15:20] my2keh: now it's trying to check my 750GB LVM
[02:15:22] Slyboots: Right, gave it 30s
[02:15:26] my2keh: it's gonna take forever
[02:15:48] Slyboots: For some strange reason the file is 0bytes in size
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[02:17:53] Slyboots: Right, that command just created a 0byte file
[02:17:55] banyan: why would a yum upgrade bitch about something being needed by ffmpeg-libs and a subsequent yum remove ffmpeg-libs say I don't have ffmpeg-libs installed?
[02:18:09] banyan: double you tee eff.
[02:19:24] Slyboots: GreyFoxx: I ran the command you suggested, but it seems it never recived any data since the final file is 0bytes in size
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[02:19:44] Slyboots: And I got this in the syslog
[02:19:45] Slyboots: Aug 1 03:15:11 Mythbox kernel: [ 6132.254553] cx88[0]/2-mpeg: cx8802_timeout
[02:19:48] Slyboots: Aug 1 03:15:11 Mythbox kernel: [ 6132.254579] cx8802_start_dma() Failed. Unsupported value in .mpeg (0x00000001)
[02:19:55] banyan: Why is it looking for requirements for a package I don't have???????????
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[02:22:17] banyan: Why would mytharchive have a dependency for ffmpeg — is transcoding part of mytharchive?
[02:22:33] Slyboots: according to half the programs,I am getting a signal
[02:22:40] Slyboots: Then suddenly, Im NOT getting a signal
[02:22:51] Slyboots: God I want to scream -.-
[02:23:49] the_bdquick: yes banyan
[02:29:10] Slyboots: Im lost, I cant think of why this card does not work
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[02:30:13] Slyboots: GreyFoxx: you there..?
[02:32:12] banyan: why does yum suddenly decide it needs a package that nothing called for, you don't have installed and no dependencies for it are required?
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[02:33:34] tcpsyn: Good evening gentlemen.
[02:33:50] tcpsyn: I just bought me a new 32" lcd 720p tv.
[02:34:21] banyan: is there a way to get yum to reject repos that have a ping longer than x or something? It pisses me off when yum starts pulling some 20-MB file from Outer Mongolia when it is available in a server in town.
[02:34:21] tcpsyn: I'm using it as a clone of one of my monitors with twinview, for mythtv
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[02:38:05] ** xris grumbles about having to rebuild his mythbox... **
[02:38:34] my2keh: don't be hating Outer Mongolia!
[02:38:41] my2keh: rebuilding is fun!
[02:38:41] my2keh: ha
[02:38:55] tcpsyn: If I set the output to hd720p in xorg.conf, the display doesn't work
[02:39:29] tcpsyn: If I leave the tvstandard blank, it works fine.
[02:39:46] tcpsyn: I'm just trying to tweak it to get the best possible picture, and I don't know what that is.
[02:39:53] tcpsyn: Does anyone have any tips?
[02:40:57] the_bdquick: are you trying to set the resolution correctly?
[02:41:26] jams: xris- hdrive gone bad?
[02:41:26] tcpsyn: yes.
[02:41:36] xris: jams: mythbackend hangs hard
[02:41:42] xris: upgraded/downgraded/dunno
[02:41:50] jams: ick
[02:41:58] tcpsyn: I'm going out the svideo, and converting to composite
[02:41:58] xris: might as well take the opportunity to upgrade from fc5, which is way out of date.
[02:42:00] the_bdquick: if you're using an nvidia card I'd recommend the nvidia-settings program
[02:42:25] tcpsyn: It's not really an issue because the picture seems fine, but if I can get it better, I'd like to.
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[02:43:37] justin__: anyone tried installing mythbuntu?
[02:43:41] tcpsyn: I already changed the default recording profile to use 16:9, and a bitrate of 4200–5000
[02:43:44] xris: oh well... dvd upgrade for the mythbox, too...
[02:43:59] xris: jams: can't do my big hardware upgrade yet... can't decide on a nice new chassis.
[02:44:36] banyan: I'm starting to think I should switch to the mac. This is a bug bullshit waste of time.
[02:44:56] banyan: and I'm a big linux fan but this shit is just unnecessary aggravation.
[02:45:18] justin__: what sort of problems you having?
[02:45:26] the_bdquick: could just be a bad repo banyan
[02:45:30] justin__: im having issues with the mythbuntu version
[02:46:25] the_bdquick: never even heard of that distro
[02:46:32] justin__: yeah me neither till today
[02:46:35] justin__: its still in beta
[02:46:46] Slyboots: Okay, I've moved foward a little
[02:46:50] justin__: and i didnt know of one of their guys would be in here
[02:46:56] Slyboots: I can now get Video from the tV card in linux!.. Woo!
[02:47:00] banyan: Well it's pretty persistent for the problem...
[02:47:08] Slyboots: But Channel scanning does not seem to work inside MythTV
[02:47:14] banyan: I've done lots of yum clean alls.
[02:47:39] justin__: so im thinking of upgrading the setup soon, but have one big question... xeon or opteron?
[02:48:04] banyan: what about amd?
[02:48:08] justin__: im leaning toward xeon and nicknaming my project "v8" since im a car guy but didnt know if the opeterons were faster for transcoding
[02:48:19] justin__: banyan opeterons are amd
[02:48:36] justin__: opterons*
[02:48:37] justin__: lol
[02:48:55] banyan: gocha.
[02:49:07] justin__: im thinking two quad core opterons with 4gb of ram
[02:49:15] justin__: and i already have a hardware sata raid5
[02:49:31] justin__: (note... it would be my replacement file server as well...)
[02:50:31] the_bdquick: i have no idea which would be best. I guess whatever you can afford
[02:51:17] justin__: well new job and no major bills == which ever i want
[02:51:17] justin__: but the idea is to buy one quad core now
[02:51:17] Slyboots: and TV still does not work..
[02:51:20] justin__: and down the road spend another 500 on the other one... or wait till its like 250 bucks or something
[02:52:01] justin__: http://belmont.debianbox.net/~justin/rack/000_0070.JPG
[02:52:06] justin__: thats my current setup
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[02:53:34] the_bdquick: that's quite a setup
[02:53:43] justin__: yea
[02:54:07] justin__: need to upgrade the myth server and use the current hardware as a frontend... its the second 4u rackmount
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[02:54:45] justin__: any of you guys had luck getting auto transcode to work?
[02:55:18] banyan: I think somebody should sell little 'black' boxes with hauppauge capture cards, a mobo/ram/cpu, a disk, and a network card that's open on samba and nfs and mythbackend.
[02:55:43] the_bdquick: there are preconfigured mythtv systems you can buy banyan
[02:55:44] banyan: No upgrading / updating. No packages. No login. Just plug it in and use it.
[02:56:10] banyan: Or they're preconfigured until you do an update on them.
[02:56:11] justin__: banyan have you tried knopmyth or mythdora?
[02:56:15] banyan: Then all bets are off.
[02:56:20] the_bdquick: is auto transcode doing it while you're watching?
[02:56:42] justin__: the_bdquick no its like a backend thing to compress the mpeg to like divx so it takes up less room
[02:57:03] banyan: Those specialty distros get pretty thin, my thinking *was* I'd be better off with a standard distro.
[02:57:48] the_bdquick: mine is set to transcode after recording to the .nuv format. I never went to divx type compression
[02:57:54] Loto: i find xbox's to be very light frontends
[02:58:03] Loto: though no HD
[02:58:16] banyan: I had a look at a monitor that was set to such a high resolution that most web sites looked silly on it.
[02:58:17] Altair256: KnoppMyth is nice in that it can give up a system up an running very quickly for you to tinker with and learn how everything works while playing with an operation system
[02:58:39] banyan: Loto: I need to send my xbox to somebody to have them throw something on it.
[02:58:51] Altair256: I assume the same could be said for most MythTV centric distros
[02:58:52] banyan: It gives an error message when it tries to boot right now tho.
[02:59:11] Loto: on the top left of the screen is a number during the error text, you can look up the error code
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[03:00:01] tcpsyn: Oh, I got it, I had to get rid of the mode line in xorg.conf.. Now I can have the hd720p option, but the image is too big for the screen. The right side and the bottom are cut off
[03:00:23] Altair256: I know this is a terrible question, but I'm dying to know: Is there ANY news from the team involved with SchedulesDirect?
[03:00:33] Altair256: are things going according to schedule? etc?
[03:00:53] justin__: its on schedule ... hahahahahahaha
[03:00:54] justin__: lol
[03:01:01] Altair256: >.<
[03:01:06] Altair256: lmao
[03:01:27] the_bdquick: i'm not sure what they're trying to do, but I hope they get it all straightened out
[03:01:28] Altair256: but how _directly_ is it on schedule?
[03:01:49] justin__: im sure the website has info
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[03:02:32] Altair256: the_bdquick, assuming you have been living under a rock, Zap2it (US/Canada channel guide provider) is no longer going to offer free data, SchedulesDirect is going to replace it
[03:02:45] Altair256: website hasn't been updated since the 20th
[03:02:50] the_bdquick: I know about that Altair256
[03:03:09] Altair256: Just a basic "everything is going well, we're on target, etc" would be nice
[03:03:25] the_bdquick: meant I'm not sure how they are going to go about getting schedule information
[03:03:37] justin__: steal if from tvguide
[03:03:39] Altair256: I thought they were going to license it from TMS?
[03:03:40] justin__: thats how id do it
[03:03:41] justin__: lol
[03:03:57] the_bdquick: that's kind of what I'd suspect
[03:04:06] Altair256: lofty goals for such a short time...
[03:04:19] Altair256: build the frame work for billing, distribution, etc
[03:04:24] justin__: somehow get the un and passwords for their huge mysql db or whatever their using
[03:04:28] justin__: and just copy and paste
[03:05:50] the_bdquick: or they'll have a server running 24/7 doing xml parsing
[03:09:49] Altair256: well, better get to bed. Later guys
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[03:23:05] jams: xris if this case was a a tad smaller/shorter and cheaper http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163084
[03:23:39] the_bdquick: oh that's cheap
[03:25:11] jams: or the silver version http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163083
[03:29:07] xris: jams: "little" smaller? that's huge?
[03:29:15] xris: s/\?$/!/
[03:36:53] banyan: what a surprise, it's the myth packages that seem to be hooped. They lead inevitably to the conclusion that you have to have a package that you can't have because it's obsolete.
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[03:38:45] banyan: Tirade alert! This is the major problem with linux distros that will forever keep it in zit-faced, living-in-the-basement-of-mom's-house geekland — lack of accountability. If I crab to Axel about this, I'll just get a kind of pained, "Gee, sorry for donating for all my time to run a distro so you can download painlessly." (Omitting the fact that some of the time it's hell on wheels.)
[03:39:59] juski: banyan: so do it yourself then! it's not hard ;)
[03:40:05] banyan: For instance! Why *does* livna carry a package that fedora carries as well, in a later version, with apparently different contents? There are various packages that have that kind of issue, most of them A/V related.
[03:40:31] kormoc: banyan, fedora doesn't have mp3 support, livna does
[03:40:34] banyan: You mean compile myth from source and forget about it being packaged? Hmmm.
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[03:40:42] juski: then only ever update mythtv to save yourself headaches :)
[03:41:11] juski: after installing ccache, compiling becomes much less of a wait in future
[03:41:22] banyan: If that philosophy worked, I would still be running red hat 9.
[03:41:33] ** kormoc is running Red Hat 5.2 **
[03:41:41] ** kormoc whistles **
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[03:42:14] banyan: Things evolve, though, and most of the time I would rather deal with one growth pain at a time than have to deal with dozens or hundreds of them at the time of a major upgrade.
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[03:42:43] juski: banyan: exactly my point about only ever updating mythtv. doing it yourself is the only way to guarantee that sometimes
[03:42:44] banyan: Particularly since fedora now seems to be on an insane upgrade cycle of something like one major release every 8 months.
[03:43:17] juski: unless the backend is internet facing there's precious little point allowing auto updates IMHO
[03:43:18] pat_: so switch to centos, and enjoy long lifecycles
[03:43:55] banyan: This might be part of the problem too, that the only contact I have with other linux users is basically via irc.
[03:44:10] Dr_willis: and we all know that IRC users are crazy. :)
[03:44:11] banyan: So I don't necessarily get to see firsthand how others handle their systems.
[03:44:21] juski: banyan: well, I beware of LUGs – they're all ubuntu huggers now
[03:44:44] banyan: That may be true, doctor, but it's not what I was implying.  :-)
[03:44:48] juski: sit round a table & talk of their Mark Shuttleworth fantasies, or something
[03:44:58] Dr_willis: Im using Mint Linux. :) a Ubuntu variant at the moment.
[03:45:14] pat_: Ubuntu variant? wow.
[03:45:22] Dr_willis: Ubuntu of the week club! :)
[03:45:25] juski: Ub(iquitous)untu
[03:46:01] pat_: well my user group is a home unix group, so people run *bsd, solaris, linux all sorts
[03:46:12] banyan: Mainly, this reminds me of how casually people talk about doing fresh installs instead of upgrades. On my system that means wiping everything out. Maybe others have good ways of partitioning their systems so that the stuff they want is kept but / is redone.
[03:46:38] pat_: most people in the user group have multiple machines
[03:46:52] juski: banyan: yup. there's a lot to be said for doing it that way. arguably way less breakage, or at least more managable.
[03:46:56] banyan: Right now I have my home on a separate disk set from root, and my /var on a third set.
[03:47:04] juski: or just only ever update what you *need* to update
[03:47:21] juski: some distros aren't too good at letting you do that though ;)
[03:47:23] Dr_willis: I keep home on its own hd. got a backup dir of my own tweaked configs
[03:47:25] banyan: Oh, I never *need* to update bugger all, until something is broken.
[03:47:42] banyan: Or until I want to install something new only to find that my entire system is antiquated.
[03:47:50] juski: you make your own bed & lie in it then!
[03:48:02] tank-man: keep /home and /usr/local on a different partition and upgrades are easy
[03:48:03] Dr_willis: and eat cookies in bed! and Lie in the crumbs!
[03:48:16] juski: starting to sound very much like FC isn't for you ;)
[03:48:31] Dr_willis: I found how that KnoppMyth did upgrades worked very well for me.
[03:48:35] Dr_willis: I dont use that now a days however.
[03:48:47] juski: I don't think it's for me, knowing what I've seen people say about FC
[03:49:04] banyan: That's not really true juski. While I'm quite comfortable in my bed, I may found that next time I wash my sheets, the queensize package has been updated and the other set of sheets doesn't fit anymore.
[03:49:34] kormoc: banyan, so don't use livna
[03:49:34] juski: on the same subject though, people often come in here acting all surprised when they've used apt-get dist-upgrade & everything breaks
[03:49:40] banyan: juski, what do you run? I'm sticking with fc on a "devil I know" philosophy. Maybe it's time for me to lance that boil.
[03:50:21] juski: I use ubuntu. it makes life easy in many ways. I just don't use its mythtv packages because they make me jump through silly hoops
[03:50:25] kormoc: banyan, livna isn't supported by fedora and the like, that's like asking why if you enable gentoo's debian packages, debian stable has issues
[03:50:51] banyan: kormroc: whjich means I have to, what, watch in envy as windows users sync their ipods and so on? Unfortunately avoiding livna means having a system that's all-business.
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[03:51:31] juski: I like to install the base OS, get the hardware worky, then compile mythtv. that's ONE use for the packages – the build-dep stuff ;)
[03:51:50] kormoc: banyan, it's the trade off, you picked one that is more feature rich but unstable and unsupported, and then you find out that it's unstable and unsupported. it's not like they enabled livna for you and didn't tell you or the like...
[03:52:24] banyan: kormroc: if there was no livna or something like it, fedora would have about 15% of the usership they have. They know livna exists and depend on livna to provide the packages they're afraid to get sued over.
[03:52:28] Dr_willis: Hmm. i dident have much hassles with MythTV on this ubuntu box.
[03:52:39] Dr_willis: but i alwo dident do a lot with it. :)
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[03:52:47] Dr_willis: recorded cartoon network..
[03:52:51] juski: at the end of the day I'm only using ubuntu cos it's easy to install & generally 'just works' (tm). I'm not what you'd call an ubuntu fanboy at all
[03:53:11] banyan: Maybe I should switch to a headless backend that gets stuffed in the basement, and do everything else with another machine.
[03:53:48] Dr_willis: banyan, thats what this box was for a while. :)
[03:53:55] Dr_willis: MythTV+fileserver+torrentgrabber
[03:54:15] banyan: or maybe kormroc's right and I should switch to ubuntu.
[03:54:47] Dr_willis: I followed some Ubuntu guide on installing Mythtv. and dident have any issues.
[03:54:47] banyan: or one of the umpteen variations thereof.
[03:54:55] kormoc: banyan, ooh, I don't like ubuntu, so don't say I'm attempting to get you to switch
[03:55:05] Dr_willis: of course – with the every 6 mo upgrade stuff.. that may be an issue for you.
[03:55:13] Dr_willis: but every release it seems the MythTV packages/install gets easier
[03:55:15] banyan: what do you use?
[03:55:20] pat_: use ubuntu 6.06 then
[03:55:22] juski: Dr_willis: yeah but you only update what you want to update
[03:55:28] kormoc: banyan, I use gentoo and I typically roll my own ebuilds
[03:55:28] Dr_willis: I was thinking htere was a MythUbuntu variant :)
[03:55:39] pat_: it has long term support, and 0.20-fixes is in the backports packages
[03:55:49] banyan: I don't know from gentoo.
[03:55:54] juski: installing myth on ubuntu is so damn easy there should really be no bloody need for mythbuntu
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[03:56:44] juski: even *without* the docs. if you follow the prompts onscreen (assuming you know your hardware works in the 1st place) you really have to be retarded to mess it up
[03:57:05] banyan: I like the open source idea so much, it makes me kinda weepy to see what a mess it's become.
[03:57:33] Dr_willis: I think there was some stumbling point in the mysql setup one needs to be carefull of.. but other then that. i found it straight forwared also.
[03:57:37] kormoc: banyan, it's not a mess. you have hundreds of choices, you just need to find one that matches your style. that's not a bad thing.
[03:57:44] juski: well when open source works, it's really cool. when it doesn't work – oh boy
[03:57:57] banyan: I want something open and no-headache.
[03:58:22] banyan: I want to stay current but painlessly.
[03:58:36] juski: when I say 'doesn't work' I mean when somebody forks a project & places the whole community in jeapoardy
[03:58:40] banyan: what distro is that?
[03:58:48] kormoc: banyan, there's nothing that is electronic that can be painless or no-headache, open or closed...
[03:59:03] juski: banyan: it's the 'staying up to date' part that'll kill you
[03:59:16] juski: if you want stability & predictability, don't update
[03:59:35] banyan: juski, how old is the major OS release you're running?
[03:59:43] juski: my ubuntu backend has never been updated since I installed it. it's never been compromised
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[04:00:07] banyan: so it's running on an old version of myth?
[04:00:18] juski: 0.20-fixes that I built myself
[04:00:28] juski: the Edgy packages were a pile of crap
[04:00:30] banyan: That doesn't sound easier.
[04:00:45] juski: compiling mythtv is easy I tell you
[04:00:54] kormoc: banyan, you're not gonna get easy, so you shouldn't bitch about it, cause we can't fix the world for ya
[04:01:09] banyan: Right then. Mac it is!
[04:01:14] juski: and it just works – I can't remember which version it is but it's been fine – hence the no updates ;)
[04:01:17] ** kormoc waves to banyan **
[04:01:43] banyan: Just as soon as I save up the $$$ for the tower I'll need.
[04:01:54] juski: oh I had a failed recording the other night. out of the hundreds I make a month. one failed
[04:02:06] kormoc: banyan, well we don't want to hear you bitch until then...
[04:02:22] banyan: but when did you install that backend juski:
[04:02:27] juski: banyan: good luck finding a Mac OS pvr :-P
[04:02:36] juski: banyan: just after I dumped gentoo
[04:02:42] banyan: last week?
[04:02:52] juski: more than a year ago I think
[04:03:23] juski: wait a sec you know I think it might even be Breezy, not edgy
[04:03:32] banyan: I get spooked about the notion that there could be massive security issues with my system if I don't update periodically.
[04:03:49] Dr_willis: I wonder if an apple-tv would work ok...
[04:03:50] Aval0n: anyone in here successfully installed mythbuntu?
[04:03:52] kormoc: that's why my mythbox is behind a firewall...
[04:03:54] pat_: mine has been on the same system for 18 months, and only then because I buggered up my system then
[04:04:07] pat_: dapper has updates for a good while yet
[04:04:08] Dr_willis: Aval0n, i tried it months ago (i think) and it failed badly.. but it was alpha then. I think
[04:04:23] banyan: Aside from well written software the only security I have is a $50 D-link firewall / router.
[04:04:26] Aval0n: same
[04:04:31] banyan: which I don't have much faith in.
[04:04:31] Aval0n: I tried 3 different machines
[04:04:37] Aval0n: stand and advanced installs
[04:04:38] juski: banyan: what security issues? I'm only behind a NAT router – my mythweb is up 24/7 – available to a short list of IP addresses
[04:04:42] Aval0n: just fails
[04:04:59] juski: Heh. my backend is running on Dapper.. 6.06
[04:05:09] Dr_willis: Mythbuntu 7.04 Public Alpha 1
[04:05:09] juski: June 2006
[04:05:20] Aval0n: I tried the 7.10 alpha 2 one
[04:05:22] banyan: Is Dapper a gentoo split?
[04:05:30] juski: Dr_willis: it's still alpa
[04:05:32] ** kormoc blinks **
[04:05:40] juski: banyan: no it's ubuntu dapper, silly
[04:05:42] pat_: dapper is a version of ubuntu that was released in july 2006
[04:05:51] pat_: version 6.06
[04:05:52] juski: or 'Diaper' as I call it
[04:06:16] Aval0n: I just manually installed ubuntu 7.04
[04:06:17] juski: Diaper, Wedgy, Fisty
[04:06:25] Aval0n: I'll install myth tomorrow
[04:06:48] Aval0n: is all that beryl eyecandy already in ubuntu>
[04:06:51] juski: Aval0n: follow the community docs – you can't go far wrong unless you're a real knock-knock case
[04:06:55] Aval0n: or does that have to be added
[04:06:58] juski: Aval0n: mythtv doesn't like beryl
[04:07:01] kormoc: Aval0n, Beryl + Myth == badness
[04:07:02] Dr_willis: Im not sure you want to mixx beryl and mythtv
[04:07:08] Aval0n: haha
[04:07:09] Aval0n: ok
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[04:07:12] Aval0n: I'll forget about it
[04:07:18] Aval0n: but if I wanna run ubuntu on a workstation
[04:07:24] banyan: juski: a question isn't silly just because the Ubuntu terminology is unfamiliar to me.
[04:07:24] Aval0n: is beryl already on there?
[04:07:24] juski: just why anybody would want to bend tv around a cube in their livingroom is beyond me
[04:07:27] kormoc: Aval0n, then there's #ubuntu
[04:07:32] pat_: it has long term support, which means for the desktop 6.06 will be supported until 2009 with security updates
[04:07:35] banyan: Another rant: too many g**da** distros.
[04:07:45] Aval0n: anyone used a mediamvp beforE?
[04:07:49] Aval0n: for a front end?
[04:07:55] juski: banyan: that's both a curse & a blessing
[04:08:00] kormoc: banyan, please spare us, it's not on topic, and not something we want to hear
[04:08:08] juski: banyan: mythtv has too many setup options!
[04:08:20] banyan: That's all I was gonna say.
[04:08:27] juski: mythtv has too many setup options :( I get lost in the config screens... then
[04:08:38] juski: mythtv has too many setup options :D I can configure EVERYTHING I WANT!
[04:08:45] Aval0n: I have a questio for you guys, if you had a 120 hard drive for a myth dedicated machine, how would you do the partitions?
[04:09:05] juski: Aval0n: 2GB or so / then the rest for recordings
[04:09:07] kormoc: Aval0n, all in / as ext3
[04:09:22] juski: oops maybe 20GB for /
[04:09:30] banyan: They only seem to you like too many options if they're arranged in a way that makes no sense to you.
[04:09:32] Aval0n: what about swap partition
[04:09:34] kormoc: I figure might as well not try and guess and make it all /
[04:09:41] kormoc: Aval0n, I use swap files, so no swap partitions
[04:09:53] juski: banyan: some of them defy conventional logic
[04:09:55] banyan: Graphical user interface design and usability is verrrrry important.
[04:10:02] Aval0n: isn't that slower?
[04:10:07] kormoc: Aval0n, not at all
[04:10:21] Aval0n: ok
[04:10:29] juski: swap files? didn't think linux could do that....
[04:10:34] banyan: and it means if you need zero swap, you have dedicated zero space to swap.
[04:10:46] banyan: though I personally have a swap partition.
[04:10:53] juski: losing 1GB disk space isn't that big a deal
[04:11:07] juski: hell even 2GB
[04:11:09] banyan: a few gigs, but nowadays, no biggie.
[04:11:16] kormoc: juski, it can for awhile
[04:11:32] kormoc: it's more the why bother trying to guess, need more swap, another file or just resize the exisitng one
[04:11:35] banyan: Until you run out of HD space!
[04:12:04] hads: http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/7/7/326
[04:12:06] Dr_willis: 500gb hds on sale for $100 = Yummy
[04:12:06] juski: just spend as much as you dare on HDDs to start with, and don't bother with LVM
[04:12:17] Aval0n: last question. The setup that I plan to use is a KGlobe 115 HD tuner and a pvr 150 tuner. I want HD and analog viewable on the frontend on the myth server (main room) and then on my remote front end analog as well. I heard that analog recording is much better on the pvr so is there a way to make the HD part of the 115 and the analog part of the pvr150 for the MAIN room and use the analog tuner of the 115 for the bedroom?
[04:12:27] Aval0n: dr willin that's nice where at?
[04:12:33] kormoc: hads, I was looking for that, thanks
[04:12:37] Dr_willis: Aval0n, all over the place. :)
[04:12:47] Dr_willis: Frys electrinics have them for that about every othe rweek.
[04:12:58] Dr_willis: Seen IDE and Sata both at that price.
[04:13:10] Aval0n: nice
[04:13:17] Dr_willis: Yep. got 2 allready
[04:13:25] banyan: Here's a question I think I know the answer to but here goes: does the device performing the TV output of the frontend have to exist on the frontend?
[04:13:27] juski: Aval0n: what? frontends just talk to the backend. you can't allocate tuners to frontends
[04:13:30] Dr_willis: its nice to replace 4 hd's in yoru server with one hd. :)
[04:13:34] juski: banyan: yes
[04:13:42] banyan: I have a 350 card and it messes up the ability to nicely separate the two.
[04:14:08] juski: banyan: lose the 350 card's output. it's lame :)
[04:14:22] juski: no opengl, for one thing
[04:14:36] Aval0n: juski, sorry I am def confused on all this. I want to be able to watch HD QAM channels and analog channels and recordings in the main room, and just analog liveTV and recordings from the bedroom, do I even need 2 tuner cards?
[04:14:42] Dr_willis: Ya can get some nice low end nvidia cards with tv out. that work well
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[04:15:26] juski: Aval0n: better to have 2. those dual purpose hybrid cards are rather poo at doing analogue
[04:15:38] Aval0n: cause they are fram buffer
[04:15:43] juski: framegrabbers! :(
[04:15:57] Aval0n: so with a Kglobe 115 and a pvr 150 I'll bee good for both tvs?
[04:16:07] Aval0n: and the'll be able to watch different chans at the same time?
[04:16:09] juski: should be
[04:16:42] juski: but if only one frontend is capable of playing back HDTV, you'll have issues with the other frontend, still being able to see the HD recordings
[04:17:08] Aval0n: ok
[04:17:10] juski: you can easily get around that by using recording groups & then just filter em off the frontend which can't play em
[04:17:12] Aval0n: so if I record an HD chan
[04:17:16] Aval0n: will it show up on the other tv?
[04:17:22] Aval0n: I don't care if it looks like shit
[04:17:27] juski: not on the other tv – on the other frontend
[04:17:31] Aval0n: but if my wife misses a recording of american idol I'm done
[04:17:59] ** juski hands Aval0n the kind of gun they might use in an abbatoir **
[04:18:06] Aval0n: lol
[04:18:08] juski: be kind – put her down now
[04:18:29] Aval0n: juski, what would you recommend knowing what I want to do. 2 front ends on the same machine as the backend (better for me money wise)
[04:18:36] juski: it's what Simon Cowell would've wanted :-P
[04:18:41] Aval0n: or 1 machine with 1 be and 1 fe, then additional front end
[04:18:48] juski: Aval0n: the latter, without a doubt
[04:18:58] Aval0n: I might need to get a mediamvp them
[04:19:02] Aval0n: $85.00 front end
[04:19:23] juski: great for SDTV MPEG2. mpeg2 is all they'll play though
[04:19:25] Aval0n: so I won't be able to watch a recorded HD show from the other front end?
[04:19:59] juski: nope
[04:20:08] Aval0n: ok.
[04:20:27] Aval0n: hmm can myth record and HD show and an analog show at the same time
[04:20:32] juski: yes
[04:20:33] Aval0n: I could record her show on both HD and analog
[04:20:42] Aval0n: that way she could still watch it in the bedroom
[04:20:43] juski: but not on the same tuner
[04:20:47] Aval0n: yeah
[04:21:01] Aval0n: I was gonna get the pvr 150 cause it has the mpeg2 encoder hardware on it
[04:21:03] juski: your hybrid cards can only do one type at a time
[04:21:12] Aval0n: I just bought the kglobe atsc 115
[04:21:18] juski: good choice for the pvr150
[04:21:18] Aval0n: 75 bux at fry's
[04:21:32] Aval0n: I did a lot of research before I bought anything
[04:21:43] Aval0n: wanted to make sure I wouldn't run into compat issues
[04:22:11] Aval0n: so I pretty much can just forget about the analog tuner on the kgbloe 115
[04:22:15] Aval0n: right?
[04:22:18] Aval0n: kglobe*
[04:22:26] juski: never mind pretty much – I'd totally forget about it
[04:23:01] Aval0n: lol
[04:23:02] Aval0n: ok
[04:23:13] Aval0n: then my friend with the ati hdtv wonder isn't as bad off as he thought
[04:23:24] Aval0n: they only had hdtv for it supported in linux
[04:23:33] juski: not worth crying over
[04:23:34] Aval0n: sounds like he's in the right boat anyway
[04:24:08] Aval0n: juski thanks, you've been the most helpful dude in here, without coping an attitude or telling me about google, like it's a site i've never heard about..
[04:24:41] juski: heh. you ain't seen me in action yet :-P
[04:24:42] Aval0n: you mentioned support docs to follow earlier, do you have a link for them?
[04:24:54] juski: ubuntu community documentation? those ones?
[04:24:54] kormoc: Aval0n, www.google.com :P
[04:24:57] Aval0n: i try not to ask easy to find questions
[04:24:57] Aval0n: lol
[04:25:12] Aval0n: well for configgin myth on ubuntu
[04:25:16] juski: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[04:25:26] Aval0n: perfect
[04:25:27] Aval0n: thakn you
[04:25:37] Aval0n: good night :)
[04:25:41] juski: and remember, insert brain before installing mythtv :)
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[04:58:58] Aval0n: juski
[04:59:05] Aval0n: one more Q
[04:59:12] Aval0n: I was just talking to the wife
[04:59:19] Aval0n: we currently have dish dvr
[04:59:26] Aval0n: it has 2 tuners in it
[04:59:38] Aval0n: she says she frequently records shows that come on at the same time
[05:00:09] Aval0n: is myth capable of utilizing 2 analog tuners and 1 HD tuner for OTA/QAM256?
[05:00:33] kormoc: Aval0n, there is no limit to the number/types of tuners myth can use other then hardware/os restrictions
[05:01:28] Aval0n: kormac: thanks, with dishdvr on the guide when you set recording times, some show as a circle with a 1 inside for tuner 1 and opposite with tuner 2
[05:01:44] Aval0n: does myth have visual conformations of specific tuners?
[05:01:55] Aval0n: I saw a screencap of the guide and it had a circle with an A inside
[05:02:01] kormoc: Aval0n, myth just has you select the shows to record and it will juggle them around to maximize the number to record
[05:02:02] Aval0n: I'm assuming that meant automatic recording
[05:02:33] Aval0n: so if I have 2 pvr150's installed, and I pick to shows that record at 7:00pm
[05:02:35] Aval0n: it will just do it?
[05:02:42] kormoc: Aval0n, aye
[05:02:47] Aval0n: damn
[05:02:51] Aval0n: seems too good to be truwe
[05:03:04] Aval0n: and if I pick at HD QAM chan it will know to use the kglobe 115
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[05:03:21] kormoc: Aval0n, and if you pick 3 shows that record at 7, but one repeats at 9, it'll record the two that don't show later and then grab the other one when it can
[05:03:28] kormoc: Aval0n, yes
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[05:03:35] Aval0n: very nice
[05:03:56] Aval0n: I have cox analog cable
[05:04:08] Aval0n: my only problem is
[05:04:12] Aval0n: if I install a splitter for the TV
[05:04:19] Aval0n: it drops the cable modem
[05:04:24] Aval0n: I can get away with 1 split
[05:04:26] kormoc: so get a rf amp
[05:04:33] Aval0n: but any more than that, it drops
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[05:05:04] Aval0n: rf amp will boost the cable modem signal?
[05:05:18] kormoc: if it can, aye
[05:05:31] Aval0n: how expensive are those?
[05:05:38] kormoc: $15?
[05:05:45] Aval0n: that cheap eh?
[05:05:58] Aval0n: I wonder if it will handle the freq range the cable modem needs
[05:06:09] Aval0n: kinda sucks
[05:06:16] Aval0n: I've been on this cox cable account for 8 years
[05:06:22] Aval0n: and they send me a letter
[05:06:23] kormoc: well, you'll need a bi-directional amp
[05:06:26] kormoc: that might be a bit more
[05:06:33] Aval0n: saying that because I was such a long term customer
[05:06:39] Aval0n: I could have standard basic cable free
[05:06:44] Aval0n: I called them last week
[05:06:50] Aval0n: and it's like they forgot that ever happened
[05:06:56] Aval0n: I still have it, but it drops out when I split
[05:07:02] Aval0n: they do that on purpose
[05:07:08] kormoc: froogle seems to say around $30 to $50 for a bidirectional amp
[05:07:11] Aval0n: so if you don't pay for cable and you split it drops out
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[05:07:45] Aval0n: the cable modem does
[05:08:17] Aval0n: for people that pay for cable and cable modem service they up the signal
[05:08:28] Aval0n: if you just pay for inet they send the minimal amount of signal possible
[05:08:29] Aval0n: bleh
[05:08:32] Aval0n: annoying
[05:13:10] Aval0n: so looks like I need to purchase 2 pvr 150s
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[05:14:44] banyan: Nothing like a good poo! Aaaah. I should invest in a recliner with a bidet.  :-)
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[05:15:14] Aval0n: HAUPPAUGE 274 WinTV-PVR 150 MCE Non-FM WHITEBOX-OEM
[05:15:18] Aval0n: is that the right card??
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[05:15:31] Aval0n: just wondering if the MCE is a different version
[05:15:38] Aval0n: cause that's 49 bucks
[05:15:44] kormoc: MCE just means no remote
[05:15:57] Aval0n: that's fine
[05:16:04] Aval0n: I probably wouldn't use the one it came with anyway
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[05:16:28] Aval0n: non MCE have an FM tuner?
[05:16:48] kormoc: some can
[05:17:39] Aval0n: as long as it's not a softwaer version or something
[05:17:43] Aval0n: I'll probably just get the MCE
[05:19:23] Aval0n: kormoc have you or do you know anyone that has setup a mediamvp for a frontend?
[05:19:30] kormoc: nnope
[05:19:35] Aval0n: hmm.
[05:20:11] Aval0n: this machine is going to wind up being damn expensive
[05:20:16] Aval0n: I hope it works well when it's done
[05:20:17] Aval0n: lol
[05:20:34] Aval0n: would you say mythtv properly configured is stable
[05:20:42] Aval0n: no bugs/glitches?
[05:20:43] kormoc: I would indeed
[05:20:53] Aval0n: excellent.
[05:21:06] Aval0n: ubuntu ok system to run it on?
[05:21:22] kormoc: I personally don't care for ubuntu so I can't really comment more then that
[05:21:30] Aval0n: hm
[05:21:39] Aval0n: i've always been a slackware guy
[05:21:49] Aval0n: but my friends are all about ubuntu
[05:22:01] Aval0n: I was never a big X guy
[05:22:07] Aval0n: just console for me most of my days
[05:22:41] xris: Aval0n: GreyFoxx here runs mythtv just fine in slackware
[05:22:54] Aval0n: interesting
[05:23:00] Aval0n: he have to a lot of fidgeting?
[05:23:49] xris: no clue
[05:24:01] Aval0n: do a lot of ppl run fiber/digital out with myth setups?
[05:24:22] xris: he's one of the devs, and a professional sysadmin, so he's probably pretty comfortable with fidgeting
[05:24:29] Aval0n: aye
[05:24:51] Aval0n: i used to be all linux
[05:25:09] Aval0n: but my current job has forced me into windows server administration
[05:25:17] Aval0n: so it's been quite a while
[05:25:40] Aval0n: only thing we have linux on is our checkpoint firewalls
[05:25:58] Aval0n: but for our msa 1500's and our eva 5000
[05:26:01] Aval0n: bleh
[05:26:06] Aval0n: more info than you care to know I'm surwe
[05:26:10] kormoc: I really need to start giving that disclaimer. "Any advice I give is from a guy who feels that modifying kernel drivers isn't all that complicated"
[05:26:18] Aval0n: lol
[05:26:40] Aval0n: :)
[05:26:42] xris: yes, you should.  :)
[05:27:00] Aval0n: guys thanks for you help I really appretiate it
[05:27:03] xris: I'm at about 2 hours from complete-teardown to semi-functional mythbox.
[05:27:06] Aval0n: I gotta hit the sack
[05:27:22] xris: sad thing is that the bulk of that time seems to have been taken up with trying to get the machine to recognize the install dvd...
[05:27:33] Aval0n: lol
[05:28:19] Aval0n: tomorrow I design plans on a ground 0 rebuild of our N.I.C.E. recording equipment
[05:28:38] Aval0n: redundant sites
[05:28:54] Aval0n: 911 recording and radio dispatch
[05:29:28] Aval0n: it's a sweet system
[05:29:39] Aval0n: gotta get it done in time for when we go voice over IP
[05:29:40] ** xris twiddles his thumbs while mythtv recompiles **
[05:29:57] Aval0n: xris
[05:30:03] Aval0n: what's your setup like?
[05:30:15] xris: my mythbox? an old 2.4Ghz p4
[05:30:27] xris: will upgrade to dual/quad core as soon as I can find a nice chassis
[05:31:16] juski: oh dear oh dear. looks like the 2nd most popular page on my site is the theme in development
[05:31:22] xris: heh
[05:31:32] xris: juski: been meaning to ask if you'd be interested in drawing up a logo for schedules direct
[05:31:39] Aval0n: xris how many tvs and tuners?
[05:31:46] xris: Aval0n: one tv, zero tuners (firewire)
[05:31:50] juski: xris: yeah I'll see what I can scribble up
[05:32:06] Aval0n: so how do you set myth up to record shows?
[05:32:10] xris: juski: thx.. just need something simple
[05:32:13] xris: Aval0n: firewire
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[05:32:22] juski: we can write off the idea of turning the letter 's' into a dollar sign I think :-P
[05:32:24] Aval0n: hmm
[05:32:36] Aval0n: I thought that firewire from a STB just dished out video
[05:32:49] Aval0n: I didn't know you could rely on a external source for tuner control
[05:32:51] xris: and...?
[05:33:06] kormoc: juski, but $ch3du13$ d1r3ct has an awesome ring to it...
[05:33:10] xris: there is no tuner... just the firewire cable. cable box does all of the work.
[05:33:19] Aval0n: xris I know
[05:33:31] ** MythLogBot slaps kormoc with a unLEET trout on behalf of xris... **
[05:33:33] Aval0n: that's why I don't understand how you could set scheduled recordings on myth
[05:33:49] Aval0n: if you rely on a STB for tuning
[05:33:50] xris: Aval0n: not sure what you mean. myth controls the cable box via firewire
[05:33:55] Aval0n: ok
[05:34:02] Aval0n: so it does remotely control the cable box
[05:34:04] Aval0n: that's insane.
[05:34:06] juski: Aval0n: easy. you just add the firewire connection as if it were a tuner :)
[05:34:15] Aval0n: damn
[05:34:21] Aval0n: that's freakin sweet
[05:34:30] Aval0n: oh well
[05:34:39] Aval0n: I'm going from 79/month with dish
[05:34:40] Aval0n: to 0
[05:34:44] juski: it's no mean feat, what the developers have done here ya know ;)
[05:34:45] Aval0n: so I can't complain
[05:35:13] xris: I went from about $60/month with disk to $50/month with comcast
[05:35:27] xris: I'm back up around $75 now since my cheap-year-for-leaving-dish is up
[05:35:27] Aval0n: even with s-video
[05:35:28] kormoc: $30 / mo with dish
[05:35:36] Aval0n: the analog TV from dish network on my plasma looks like shit
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[05:35:49] xris: analog will always look like crap on an HD display
[05:36:02] juski: $50 a month is cheap for a HD subscription. it's at least £50 a month in the UK with no means of recording it other than the provided (crappy) DVR
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[05:36:10] Aval0n: aye, but atleast with myth you can enable some filters to help it out
[05:36:19] juski: at current exchange rates that's well over $100 !
[05:36:19] Aval0n: dish, you just got what it crapped out
[05:36:20] Aval0n: that's it
[05:36:32] tcpsyn: I think after the last 4 hours of troubleshooting, I've come to the conclusion.... Composite Out doesn't go higher than 1024x768 resolution, so to get hd out to my tv, I'll have to use DVI.
[05:36:37] tcpsyn: Is that true?
[05:36:55] kormoc: tcpsyn, yes
[05:36:55] juski: tcpsyn: actually, that 1024x768 is scaled by the card's tv encoder, to NTSC or PAL res
[05:37:11] kormoc: tcpsyn, or component or HDMI...
[05:37:14] Aval0n: you mean component?
[05:37:16] Aval0n: brb
[05:37:17] xris: tcpsyn: composite should barely even be able to get 640x480 out
[05:37:19] tcpsyn: I mean composite.
[05:37:24] tcpsyn: well.
[05:37:25] Aval0n: lol
[05:37:29] juski: you weren't seriously...
[05:37:30] xris: composite is a 480i analog signal
[05:37:30] tcpsyn: Only one ouput.
[05:37:30] Aval0n: component
[05:37:31] juski: omg. lol
[05:37:42] tcpsyn: component is 3, right?
[05:37:46] kormoc: yes
[05:37:47] juski: tcpsyn: yup
[05:37:57] tcpsyn: yeah, I've got a geforce 6600.
[05:37:57] xris: tcpsyn: any higher resolution will just be getting squished by the video card won't make things look better
[05:38:01] juski: time for work anyway.. bbl
[05:38:28] tcpsyn: So I can use DVI and get 1366x768, right?
[05:38:43] tcpsyn: using HD720p?
[05:38:50] Aval0n: yes
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[05:39:00] tcpsyn: Can't believe I just wasted that much time.
[05:39:09] tcpsyn: No matter how much I read, it doesn't sink in.
[05:39:18] kormoc: assuming your tv doesn't require HDCP
[05:39:19] Aval0n: lol
[05:39:28] tcpsyn: HDCP?
[05:39:35] kormoc: High Def Copy Protection
[05:39:44] tcpsyn: oh.
[05:40:00] Aval0n: there a database that shows if your tv does/
[05:40:04] tcpsyn: where?
[05:40:37] Aval0n: I was asking
[05:40:37] Aval0n: sorry
[05:40:38] Aval0n: The Samsung HP-S5053 is no longer available for purchase. ... of high definition television, built-in NTSC/ATSC/QAM tuners, and two HDMI-HDCP connections. ...
[05:40:42] Aval0n: that's my TV
[05:41:02] kormoc: that just means it supports HDCP, not that it requires it
[05:41:10] Aval0n: ahh ok
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[05:41:22] Aval0n: I have an hd-15 connector that i'll probably end up using anyway
[05:41:30] Aval0n: unless I convert DVI to HDMI
[05:41:38] tcpsyn: I've got a westinghouse sk-32h520s
[05:43:15] Aval0n: i don't get teh fascinatio with ppl upscaling dvds to 1080i on most plasmas
[05:43:25] Aval0n: it just gets put back down to 720p anyway
[05:43:31] Aval0n: so why not just run it 720p
[05:43:50] tcpsyn: I'm not into stealing media, but do you guys know of any hd I can legally download to test?
[05:43:55] Aval0n: I actually didn't intend the leet speak there
[05:43:58] Aval0n: that's just tired typos
[05:44:07] tcpsyn: I'm not gonna get any hd out of my pvr-150s anyway
[05:44:19] Aval0n: anyway
[05:44:21] Aval0n: Im out
[05:44:25] Aval0n: for real this time
[05:44:26] Aval0n: laterz
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[05:48:48] banyan: Off topic: anyone read "The Myth Of The Rational Voter"?
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[06:04:38] annulus_: part of it...
[06:05:37] annulus_: Bryan Caplan blogs at http://econlog.econlib.org/
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[07:08:07] banyan: Does synaptic pay attention to /etc/yum.repos.d and its EXCLUDEs?
[07:08:35] banyan: I'm sorry, synaptic is just a yum frontend... I meant smart.
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[07:20:00] kormoc: banyan, that's better asked in #distro
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[07:20:58] banyan: True nuff.
[07:21:34] banyan: But for users who use atrpms to get mythtv packages, I feel it's essential to limit the access to just the required packages.
[07:22:41] Ratty: I just bought the D-Link DSM-520 to stream music, pictures, and videos to my TV, but I was wondering what I would need to use mythtv on it ? Do I only need to install mythtv to get streaming those things to my media player(DSM-520)
[07:22:46] banyan: People have said that using atrpms at all is pretty much asking to have things break.
[07:23:07] tjcarter: generally, yes =)
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[07:23:18] tjcarter: I require more Sanctuary.
[07:23:29] tjcarter: production team needs to hurry up.
[07:25:17] otwin: Ratty: there is a page on the DSM-520 in the wiki
[07:25:43] juski: search tfw :)
[07:25:53] Ratty: otwin, I know... I have looked at it, but it does't really give much details over how to go about setting up mythtv for it
[07:26:09] banyan: maybe my problem is more that I'm using yum than it is the repos.
[07:26:14] Ratty: It shows screenshots of the install and reviews it, but nothing much else
[07:29:43] otwin: Ratty: well, it uses upnp – myth has (basic?) support for upnp, but don't know if it's activated by default – did you read the article on upnp?
[07:29:50] banyan: And that is another thing that needs to stop with the linux community — the entire system has been sub-segmented into thousands of little areas. A user doing any one thing is using the kernel, various kernel modules, a gui, an X server (probably), and other software that may or may not be part of the base system. Each of these items is maintained by a different group of people, and if a user has trouble with something, it's ve
[07:29:50] banyan: ry likely to turn into a chorus of "Not My Department" in five-part harmony when he asks a question about it.
[07:30:41] Ratty: otwin, Yep I did... I also read that uPnP is supported by mythtv is supported in version 0.20, which I do have
[07:30:41] juski: banyan: quit whining, you whiny whiner
[07:31:10] banyan: :-) If it's true, is it still whining?
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[07:31:27] juski: and another thing about this so-called 'community' – there are far too many people sitting in ivory towers postulating about how things 'should' be, or how 'it'd be cool if'
[07:31:58] juski: those folks should all FOAD – now *that* really *would* be cool
[07:32:35] pat_: banyan, you still whining. give it up. you were whining when I was last here 5 hours ago.
[07:32:48] banyan: They mostly have, gone off and bought windows machines or macs, and put up with those respective organizations, warts and all.
[07:32:54] juski: banyan: you pay (or not) your money & takes yer choice
[07:33:12] juski: all software is evil one way or the other
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[07:33:27] juski: open source is the only software you stand a cat in hell's chance of changing
[07:33:47] banyan: Don't get me wrong, I'm not just bitching without being interested in improving the situation.
[07:34:05] juski: as much as it might seem that developers don't give a shite about users, it's probaly fair to say they care more than companies with customers
[07:34:10] otwin: Ratty: so you have myth and the upnp client – does it work?
[07:34:31] juski: banyan: start killing people then. it's the only way ;)
[07:34:58] banyan: Maybe these are all titles of chapters in the book we could write, entitled "Things You Need to be Prepared for when Using Linux."
[07:35:18] otwin: banyan: so just fork your favourite distro and maintain every package yourself
[07:35:44] juski: otwin: then he'd become part of the 'problem' as he sees it lol
[07:35:47] banyan: Would the universe be better for having one more distro? Just asking.
[07:36:10] Ratty: otwin, I really don't know where to start is the problem... I have it installed and supposedly setup... I can access the frontend, but as to what else I must do is beyond me. I have looked to around to see if I can find a place where I can specify the directories for my media player to find, but don't know where to put them
[07:36:21] juski: banyan: people with brains have no trouble with linux. the rest of the people shouldn't be allowed
[07:37:24] juski: trying to bring linux to 'human beings' is only ever gonna bring trouble for yourself :-P
[07:37:46] banyan: particularly, they shouldn't be allowed to fork new distros or new repos.
[07:38:07] juski: or post on -dev mailing lists, or join dev channels
[07:38:24] juski: or comment on tickets in trac
[07:39:08] juski: it's just as well not everybody is as cynically evil as I am though
[07:39:32] banyan: Most of the things that are open-source issues are just the unfortunate byproducts of dealing with autonomous individual developers instead of large organisations.
[07:39:46] juski: I used to be a noob who got angry at some guy called Isaac who closed my bug ticket unceremoniously because the report was too vague
[07:40:10] juski: now I'm the guy who closes the ticket . muhahahaha
[07:40:16] otwin: Ratty: did you set the external IP of your backend in mythtv-setup, instead of 127.0.0.1?
[07:41:18] banyan: Microsoft has teams of people to make sure that each other team of people will make something that works with the output of the other teams of people. Open-source is more that you have to wait for Franco to finish retiling his bathroom before he'll have time to look at the bug you submitted.
[07:42:21] juski: banyan: who says the MS model e works well enough though? you'd be living on cloud cuckoo if you said that MS products don't have fatal bugs
[07:42:53] juski: the OSS community needs more frickin PATIENCE
[07:43:28] juski: what you don't pay for in money you have to spend putting the *time* into. too many folks just don't appreciate that
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[07:44:00] banyan: They absolutely do, though they tend to be quick at fixing giant bugs (and flat refuse to fix smaller ones, making you buy the next version).
[07:44:17] Ratty: otwin, Hmmm, yes... Am I only able to share one directory though <default folder> "/mnt/store"
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[07:45:15] juski: banyan: have you ever developed anything for the community or for yourself, then released it into the wild?
[07:45:37] juski: until you do, it's impossible to fathom just how many truly ungrateful bastards there are out there
[07:45:59] banyan: I would actually love to spend some time helping a group to do some development. About a decade ago I did some work on public key encryption.
[07:46:17] juski: thankfully, there are enough people to give thanks, encouragement & positive feedback to make developing things beyond your own needs worthwhile
[07:47:54] hads: Bummer, one of my recordings doesn't exist on disk.
[07:48:28] otwin: Ratty: myth has seperate directories for video, audio and pictures and from what I understand it serves all of these through upnp
[07:48:45] banyan: That's a principle I like to live by — when somebody does something good, I like to thank them if possible.
[07:48:59] Ratty: otwin, Ok, I will take a look at it
[07:49:55] banyan: Myth is great in many ways. It just suffers a bit from having been picked up on fedora repos by a repo with a poor reputation.
[07:50:27] juski: banyan: it suffers a LOT atthe hands of various packagers & distro maintainers. no names, no pack drill...
[07:50:29] banyan: It (as well as mundane web browsing and e-mail) is the main use for my mchine.
[07:51:02] juski: and it comes in for a hell of a lot of (unfair) criticism because of stuff not even directly associated with mythtv
[07:51:06] banyan: Maybe I should use knoppmyth.
[07:51:18] juski: like lirc,tuner card drivers etc
[07:51:55] banyan: well, true. the nature of mythtv is that it depends on a great variety of things.
[07:52:04] juski: the ready rolled distros are't the promised silver bullet either – the single most important thing before installing mythtv is verifying the hardware functions in linux
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[07:52:48] juski: banyan: mythtv still takes the blrap for plenty which it has no control over, and that's very wrong. nothing can be done about it. I mean look at all the lirc, capture card & VGA card crap we get in here
[07:52:53] banyan: Therefore myth users can have a poor experience for reasons out of the myth developers' hands.
[07:53:16] juski: banyan: ya boo sucks! screw em. we can't help it if they're too stupid
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[07:54:27] banyan: None of that is what I would consider unforeseeable. It is inevitable but a person knows these issues will occur.
[07:55:11] banyan: juski: when you say verifying hardware functions, you just mean making sure your hardware works as advertised?
[07:55:17] banyan: isn't broken?
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[07:55:49] juski: my closing comment is this: it also doesn't help when Unclued Jimbob makes his own howto & posts it on his blog somewhere in a dark corner of the internet. There might very well be some gems of info in there, but it's hidden away so well nobody ever finds it – therefore benefits so few people it's not worth it
[07:56:02] juski: banyan: I mean 'works in linux' – period.
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[08:02:10] banyan: I'm craving actual facetime with linux users, I guess.
[08:02:11] ** juski hands banyan a peg to put on his nose **
[08:02:46] banyan: I find irc is to human interaction as skim milk is to dairy products.
[08:02:49] banyan: :-)
[08:02:56] juski: well DUH
[08:03:23] banyan: a peg? Would it be red and snout-like, with a ring installed to keep the wearer from rooting?
[08:03:51] juski: no, to stop the smell from entering one's nostrils
[08:03:58] kormoc: welp, time to go home and sleep, I gotta be back at work in 9 hours...
[08:04:00] ** kormoc sighs **
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[08:05:10] juski: kormoc: I recommend a 'duvet day'
[08:05:13] banyan: Ah! You mean a laundry peg.
[08:05:29] juski: peg / gas mask
[08:05:39] banyan: have a great night, what's left of it kormoc!
[08:05:50] banyan: and sorry about the misspelling.
[08:07:29] banyan: This would be much more satisfying in person. I expect I'd like most of the people on here if I ever get to meet some of you.
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[08:08:28] juski: it was kinda nice at LRL to meet some people with the same outlook & temperament as myself. they're not all whiny bastards who don't put themselves out, thankfully
[08:09:10] ** banyan decides to pretend juski didn't mean him. **
[08:09:18] banyan: Where was LRL held?
[08:09:27] juski: sunny wolverhampton, UK
[08:09:36] banyan: Is that near home for you?
[08:09:55] juski: about a 220 mile round trip IIRC
[08:10:28] banyan: so you're in the UK I presume.
[08:10:43] banyan: Have you seen the new michael moore movie, sicko?
[08:10:59] juski: no not yet. don't think it's out over here yet
[08:11:42] banyan: it looks (favourably) at the British health system and fawningly at the French system of just about everything.
[08:12:29] juski: pfft. the NHS is falling apart at the seams. our politicians look at the US system with envious eyes.
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[08:13:02] banyan: Then you should definitely see sicko and let me know what you thought once you have.
[08:13:56] juski: I think it'd be ironic that Moore is looking at us thinking what a great idea you guys have, then our govt. dismantling it & going to the 'no insurance, you die!' model
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[08:14:26] otwin: do the brits think they have a great health system?
[08:14:38] juski: otwin: no we bloody well do not
[08:14:42] banyan: I'm in Canada. Ours is falling apart at the seams as well but that's because of corporate pressure to make it seem a failure. Then they can manufacture public consent to privatise it.
[08:14:55] otwin: juski: that's what i heard ;-)
[08:15:29] banyan: But why is that? Is it fixable or is it just foobar?
[08:15:46] juski: otwin: if I want to make a docs appointment for a specific date I can't. I have to go when it's convenient for them. Ring up at 8am to get an appointment today or else have a 2+ week wait
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[08:16:23] juski: banyan: they waste too much money, set unrealistic targets that resources are wasted trying to meet
[08:16:48] banyan: ours is similar unless you have a family practice doc. If you use clinics you have to wait and appointments are not accepted.
[08:17:01] juski: I've never seen my own doctor
[08:17:42] banyan: Again it's one of those conversations a person has to put in relative terms. There is no perfect system, there are only ones that are preferable to others.
[08:17:58] juski: I've actually been referred to a specialist, got a letter yesterday reminding me to make an appointment with said specialist – doc was supposed to give me a 'password' so I could make the appointment. now I'm back top square one
[08:18:03] banyan: Just like there is no perfect distro, repo, etc.
[08:18:26] juski: from what I've seen of their IT system, that's where a lot of money is being wasted
[08:18:54] juski: letters doctors send out are scanned & forwarded around in Outlook as massive TIF files
[08:19:14] juski: even though they're originally electronic..
[08:19:51] juski: anyway...
[08:20:03] banyan: However you're not in the poorhouse due to a medical emergency, and you're not being told you have to pay some enormous bill because your insurance provider has decided the procedure you need is unnecessary.
[08:20:20] juski: banyan: not YET, no
[08:21:00] banyan: (This type of thing is quite common in the US according to Moore, and I've heard from people who have had these experiences.)
[08:21:40] banyan: Sicko made me want to move to France.  :-)
[08:22:16] juski: all of Moore's films so far have only made my pity for the USA's people deepen
[08:22:31] juski: even looking beyond his rhetoric...
[08:22:37] juski: they're still pretty damning
[08:23:05] banyan: It's not empty either. There is always a solid point behind some of what's in his films.
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[08:23:51] banyan: The right likes to see him as partisan but he has as much bile to spew on the Democrats as he does on the Pubs.
[08:24:42] banyan: Does the phrase chalk and cheese apply there? I can't remember whether that implies the two things are opposite or similar.
[08:24:45] hads: Politics, such a good topic for a mythtv channel.
[08:25:15] banyan: I'm not stopping anyone from discussing on-topic.
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[08:25:35] banyan: Did you have a question hads?
[08:25:41] juski: hads: it's more interesting than waffling endlessly about LVM & shite
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[08:26:08] banyan: Heh, I'm just now regretting not putting lvm on my raid array.
[08:26:19] gbee: anyone have a lircd.conf for a standard Sky remote? last time it was pretty easy to find, this time not even the lirc site has a copy :(
[08:26:23] banyan: I can't grow the filesystem now, oops!
[08:26:34] juski: "ah yes but if the virtual block size is dynamically blah blah blah blah, waffle.."
[08:26:55] juski: gbee: ouchy. must be one somewhere, shirley
[08:27:14] gbee: juski: plenty of references to one, but not the actual deal
[08:27:32] juski: can you not just learn it?
[08:28:08] gbee: juski: I could, but that's a pain in the arse compared to just dropping in a working copy.
[08:28:28] banyan: the republicans are the exact opposite of "chalk and cheese" — they're apparently fundamentally different but actually they're carbon copies.
[08:28:29] gbee: still I might be forced to
[08:28:43] hads: gbee: What type of Sky boxes do you have? Ours are Motorola
[08:28:45] banyan: there might be some nifty Brit slang for that too.
[08:29:00] gbee: hads: Amstrad
[08:29:11] hads: Ah, can't help you then sorry.,
[08:29:37] juski: Amstrash – now pwned by Murdoch
[08:30:01] gbee: ok, found one
[08:30:20] gbee: this is where the wiki really lets you down ;)
[08:31:08] gbee: will be looking for an NTL one in a couple of weeks, that should be fun
[08:31:29] juski: gbee: for the samsung box? I can supply one, if I can find it
[08:31:40] gbee: juski: yep
[08:31:47] juski: if not I'll just re-learn it. the existing one didn't have all the codes
[08:31:58] juski: I mean the one 'out thar'
[08:33:12] gbee: just need the numbers, it for the ir blaster
[08:33:44] banyan: Murdoch — Mr. "The Dalai Lama is a monk in $2000 loafers." Heh, what a twat.
[08:34:02] juski: gbee http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/ntl/DI4001N
[08:34:28] gbee: juski: cool, thanks
[08:34:44] juski: gbee: also http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/sky/SKY+_DVB-S
[08:35:15] gbee: juski: that's the sky+ one and I'm not too sure they share the same code
[08:35:16] gbee: s
[08:35:35] juski: gbee: yeah they do. the numbers will be the same. all the boxes use the same codes allegedly
[08:36:08] gbee: ahh, well that might explain why they no longer have the old lircd up there
[08:37:10] banyan: I need to take an afternoon and rejig my .lircrc so the remote works the same way it used to do. They've modified a few things and I need to adjust.
[08:37:57] juski: suddenly just occurred to me mythtv could have a remote learning app
[08:38:49] banyan: I need to wrap my head around how they've altered the way you configure what keys do what.
[08:39:03] gbee: would need root access to write to /etc/lircd.conf and to restart lircd
[08:39:35] juski: bum
[08:40:22] gbee: although I don't actually know that it's necessary to restart lircd for a config to take effect
[08:40:56] juski: could be something one of those fancy 'mythtv' distros could do with a GUI though
[08:41:13] banyan: juski: are you aware of any open source initiative I could pitch in with, without the commitment rivaling my day job?
[08:42:03] juski: banyan: the mythtv wiki could do with a lot of cleaning up
[08:42:40] banyan: And that would be good for me too! I have the wiki software installed but right now I'm only using it to store personal howtos.
[08:42:51] juski: and there needs to be somebody working on a change list in time for 0.21 being released
[08:43:07] juski: turn the timeline/changelog into a readable list of new features/fixes :-P
[08:43:38] banyan: I have a website on natural gas flow measurement and I'd like to wikify some of it so I could take the opportunity to bone up on my wiki skills, which are not currently "mad skills".
[08:48:33] banyan: That's not something that would require a lot of coordination with other people either.
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[08:58:25] banyan: Where do all the cool kids get their faad2 nowadays?
[08:59:28] hads: From their distro's repository?
[08:59:30] banyan: atrpms has one that's too new.
[08:59:31] robbins876: uhh...atrpms?
[08:59:41] banyan: It's too new.
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[09:00:15] robbins876: metal gear solid 4 looks amazing...there, i said it
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[09:00:31] banyan: or ffmpeg-libs, as my yum is going to get it, wants a version less than 2.5
[09:02:12] banyan: Is anyone here running fedora 7 and using atrpms strictly for the myth related packages? If so, I would *love* to get a tar of the contents of your /etc/yum.repos.d
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[09:13:17] juski: silly klibido reckons I'm getting over 620KB/sec on a 4Mbit connection
[09:13:33] juski: EWRONGCASE
[09:17:41] juski: hmm hang on – no that must be right
[09:18:51] banyan: It's like watching a fat lady in Spandex stirrup pants!
[09:19:25] banyan: 10 lb of potatoes in a 5 lb sack.
[09:19:33] juski: why is it that only women who are blatantly too fat to wear clothes like that, do ?
[09:20:16] banyan: oh, because they're drawn to the "slimming" properties of Spandex.
[09:20:20] juski: banyan: it's allegedly only 'around 4mbit' – connections to the ISP's own sertvers may be faster
[09:20:53] banyan: I am picturing a replica of a Barbie doll made of butter.
[09:21:15] banyan: so cute, you can't believe it's 100% fat.
[09:23:48] banyan: I wonder if anyone knows whether a person could use one of those Pioneer Elite blu ray players as a front end or at least as a display medium.
[09:24:25] banyan: They have a network interface and supposedly they can be used as some kind of media display gadget...
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[09:40:22] banyan: night all...
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[09:51:57] gbee: the wiki says that the ir transmitter/blaster with the MCE transceiver is supported from > lirc-0.8.1
[09:52:18] gbee: does that mean 0.8.1 and above, or versions above 0.8.2
[09:52:28] gbee: err, above 0.8.1
[09:52:30] otwin: apart from compiling myth with '--with-bindings=perl', wasn't there sth else you had to do, to make it work?
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[09:58:52] otwin: answering my own question: yes, make install doesn't copy MythTV.pm, so you have to do it manually
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[10:05:42] otwin: or even better: run 'make install' in 'bindings/perl/'
[10:06:53] gbee: make install should install MythTV.pm
[10:07:10] gbee: although it *might* not have worked with 0.20
[10:14:13] otwin: gbee: oh, now I know why it didn't work here. I use checkinstall to build .deb packages, instead of running make install directly. That must be the reason.
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[10:23:08] BCMM: can somebody help me set up a WinTV PVR USB 2? I can't seem to get a picture from it, with anything
[10:23:23] BCMM: i think the problem is drivers (or even hardware), not MythTV
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[10:41:34] gbee: BCMM: might want to try #linuxtv
[10:42:24] gbee: although the PVR would be an ivtv device, so maybe not
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[10:59:22] janneg: BCMM, gbee: #v4l is more appropiate
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[11:00:04] gbee: didn't even know there was a v4 cha
[11:00:07] BCMM: janneg: thanks
[11:00:10] gbee: v4l channel
[11:00:26] BCMM: i just figured that cause it's mostly used for mythtv on linux there might be more experience here...
[11:00:37] BCMM: i'd take a webcam issue to v4l...
[11:00:41] BCMM: ah well thanks i'll try there
[11:01:01] gbee: they write the drivers, not us
[11:01:03] BCMM: gbee: i don't think it is ivtv
[11:01:06] BCMM: it has it's own driver
[11:01:21] gbee: BCMM: fair enough
[11:02:11] BCMM: it shows up and stuff, dmesg shows various components being loaded
[11:02:18] BCMM: but nothing gets a picture out of it
[11:05:11] gbee: BCMM: have you followed the guide at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-PVR-USB2
[11:05:34] BCMM: i didn't know about that
[11:06:10] BCMM: i have already followed slightly different install because gentoo has a package for the firmware (how on earth that's legal, i dunno...)
[11:06:17] BCMM: but thanks i'll have a look at that
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[11:10:30] BCMM: gbee: thanks that helped a lot
[11:10:43] BCMM: turns out a lot of apps i tested it with don't support mpeg-2
[11:11:08] BCMM: and the version of xawtv i used was old and didn't do mpeg 2 when i thought it did
[11:13:08] BCMM: if i want to just reset MythTV
[11:13:11] BCMM: so it's as if i just installed it
[11:13:16] BCMM: how would i do that?
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[11:13:38] BCMM: is it enough to rm -r ~/.mythtv and drop the mythtv database from the mysql command line?
[11:15:53] gbee: BCMM: should be
[11:15:59] BCMM: thanks
[11:16:04] juski: but why?
[11:16:06] adante: *might* have to look at the /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt as well, if changed, not sure
[11:17:33] BCMM: doesn't exist on my install
[11:17:34] BCMM: thanks though
[11:17:43] BCMM: juski: cause i've configured it all stupidly
[11:17:50] BCMM: juski: and i want defaults back!
[11:18:52] juski: so just configure stuff to reasonable values. there's not much you could've buggerred up
[11:19:58] juski: if you drop the database, you'll have to re-create it & set your privileges up again
[11:20:09] juski: before running mythtv-setup again
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[11:35:26] gbee: sod it, the 2.6.22 kernel package in cooker is missing all the third party drivers :(
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[11:48:03] k-man_: is there a way to speed up loading the recorded programs page in mythweb?
[11:49:21] lupin_sanse1: hello can anyone help me. My Knoppmyth box had a power cut and when it rebooted it says there are no recordings, even though there were before. But the free space shown is the same size as before when there were recordings on it. It hasn't lost it's channel settings or video (things ripped from DVDs) though.
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[11:50:05] k-man_: lupin_sanse1, sounds like your back end might no be running
[11:51:00] lupin_sanse1: k-man_: okay. Also all my upcoming recordings are missing
[11:51:09] k-man_: yeah
[11:51:15] k-man_: sounds like that might be the problem
[11:51:23] lupin_sanse1: how do I check the back end is running sorry?
[11:51:32] k-man_: ps uax | grep backend
[11:51:45] k-man_: what does it say?
[11:53:01] lupin_sanse1: just checking now
[11:53:56] lupin_sanse1: while you typed that I tried "watch TV" and it hung. So I have to reboot :(
[11:54:37] k-man_: lupin_sanse1, are you sure it hung?
[11:54:41] k-man_: just wait
[11:54:51] lupin_sanse1: okay back up now...
[11:54:53] k-man_: its probably trying to contact the backend and timing out
[11:55:28] k-man_: lupin_sanse1, you can always get to a terminal by pressing ctrl+alt+f1
[11:55:35] lupin_sanse1: really? cool
[11:55:42] k-man_: yeah
[11:55:54] k-man_: and ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to X windows
[11:56:14] k-man_: and to hard kill X, ctrl+alt+backspace
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[11:59:36] lupin_sanse1: okay finally...
[12:00:20] lupin_sanse1: it says: mythtv 5111 ... etc
[12:00:26] lupin_sanse1: do you want the whole line?
[12:01:06] juski: ooo dear oo dear. seems the automatic bollards outside this workplace went up just as a car was pulling in. whoops
[12:01:31] lupin_sanse1: juski: ouch
[12:02:18] juski: lifted the car right up, went thru the sump, broke the steering column
[12:02:53] anykey_: Anyone using an Antec Fusion case in here? Does it allow turning it on and off using the remote?
[12:03:00] lupin_sanse1: k-man_ does that sound like the backend is running?
[12:03:32] k-man_: lupin_sanse1, show me the whole line
[12:03:50] pat_: juski, that's gotta hurt someone's insurance
[12:04:14] lupin_sanse1: k-man_: okay
[12:04:29] juski: pat_: yeah the contractor who was working on the access control system
[12:05:24] jduggan: i wish that would happen to my car
[12:05:25] pat_: would cost them a lot more if anybody was hurt during that event
[12:05:32] jduggan: make some money
[12:05:33] jduggan: get a new car
[12:05:34] jduggan: :/
[12:05:54] juski: somebody was :-\
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[12:08:11] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ sorry lost the connection
[12:08:24] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ mythtv 5111 0.4 2.1 173136 11144 ? Ssl 19:54 0:01 /usr/bin/mythbackend --daemon --logfile /var/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid
[12:08:30] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ mythtv 6339 0.0 0.0 1640 500 ttyp0 S+ 19:59 0:00 grep backend
[12:08:45] k-man_: lupin_sanse1, well, your back end is running
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[12:09:05] lupin_sanse2: k-man if I try and watch TV it just sits there on a black screen too
[12:09:13] k-man_: lupin_sanse1, no idea why you you can't watch it
[12:09:26] k-man_: lupin_sanse1, because it can't access the back end
[12:09:43] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ it was working – then I got a power cut :(
[12:09:44] k-man_: if you wait long enough, i think it will give up and say it couldn't connect or something
[12:09:49] k-man_: yes, you said
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[12:11:12] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ I just went into "Watch Recordings" then, and now the hard disk light is on, and myth is just sitting there
[12:12:02] gbee: lupin_sanse2: sounds like a corrupted database
[12:12:20] lupin_sanse2: gbee: crap that doesn't sound good
[12:12:22] gbee: well possibly a corrupted database
[12:12:27] k-man_: lupin_sanse1, sorry, i really can't tell why its doing that. have a look at your backend logs in /var/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[12:12:35] gbee: lupin_sanse2: there is a repair script in contrib
[12:12:43] gbee: worth a try
[12:12:52] lupin_sanse2: gbee: what is contrib? A folder?
[12:12:54] k-man_: lupin_sanse1, what file system are you using?
[12:13:18] lupin_sanse2: k-man_: I don't know. Whatever one knoppmyth setup for me
[12:14:00] gbee: lupin_sanse2: a folder in the mythtv source download, no idea where packagers stick these things, but look for optimize_mythdb.pl
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[12:15:48] juski: packagers tend to regard stuff in /contrib as optional & miss it out altogether
[12:16:02] gbee: if it's not the database then chances are that it's worse, i.e. a filesystem problem
[12:16:10] k-man_: lupin_sanse1, no idea what fs knoppmyth installs, but you could find out by examining /etc/fstab. if its a journaling filesystem its less likely that your db is corrupted
[12:16:29] k-man_: lupin_sanse1, look at the mythtvbackend logs
[12:16:37] k-man_: and also /var/log/syslog
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[12:16:48] k-man_: see if there is any useful error messages
[12:17:08] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ hmm I don't seem to have a mythtv directory in var!
[12:17:29] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ is this right? cd /var/mythtv
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[12:17:58] k-man_: lupin_sanse1, well, according to the output of ps you pasted before, mythbackend is logging to /var/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[12:18:07] juski: more likely /var/log/mythtv
[12:18:20] k-man_: juski, did you see his paste before?
[12:18:23] Aval0n: juski
[12:18:26] Aval0n: do you ever sleep?
[12:18:30] Aval0n: :P
[12:18:31] juski: I don't look at pastes :-P
[12:18:57] k-man_: well, his backend process listing includes " --logfile /var/mythtv/mythbackend.log"
[12:19:03] juski: Aval0n: I do sleep but I tend not to at work :-P
[12:19:11] lupin_sanse2: juski: yes I have a folder called /var/log/mythtv with mythbackend.log files in it
[12:19:15] Aval0n: what time is it there for you?
[12:19:31] k-man_: lupin_sanse1, have you asked on #knoppmyth? they can probably help you more
[12:19:50] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ I tried first but no answer
[12:20:02] k-man_: lupin_sanse1, well, check that file, but according to what you pasted your backend isn't logging to that file
[12:20:14] juski: yeah we're like 2nd class help here. always trying somewhere else first then coming here when they get no answer :-\
[12:20:17] adante: ball
[12:20:33] lupin_sanse2: juski: sorry about that I really appreciate your help
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[12:20:50] juski: hey what colour hair does everybody here have? I'm thinking of dying mine :-P
[12:20:59] juski: and other mythtv-related issues
[12:21:12] k-man_: lupin_sanse1, run "mount" from the command line, it will tell you what filesystems you are using
[12:21:20] Aval0n: apparently they let you tip the sauce at work though eh?
[12:21:21] k-man_: pink with green stripes
[12:21:23] Aval0n: ;)
[12:21:38] pat_: juski: brown with grey :(
[12:21:40] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ okay. BTW if I look in the folder where myth stores TV programs the files of my recordings are all in there
[12:21:55] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ ext3
[12:21:58] k-man_: lupin_sanse1, yes, you said that before
[12:22:05] k-man_: lupin_sanse1, are they all ext3?
[12:22:21] k-man_: i mean execpt for proc and sysft
[12:22:24] k-man_: sysfs
[12:23:02] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ /dev/hda1 ext3 /dev/hda3 ext3
[12:23:38] k-man_: lupin_sanse1, in that case, its a journaled fs, i don't think its a db corruption issue (imho)
[12:23:44] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ there's something about automount too
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[12:23:59] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ okay I assume that's good(er) news
[12:24:11] k-man_: lupin_sanse1, i'd say that your front end is not communicating with the back end
[12:24:21] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ ok
[12:24:29] k-man_: what ip address is your front end on?
[12:24:53] k-man_: check that the front end is trying to connect to the correct ip for the backend
[12:25:12] k-man_: of course, I could be totaly wrong, but thats my hunch
[12:25:54] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ my front end is on the same machine as the back end. The ip address (the one I get if I ping my myth machine from this Windows machine I am on) is 10.1.1.5 – it's one the router gave it I think
[12:26:36] k-man_: check the mythfront end settings are actually pointing to either localhost or that ip
[12:26:55] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ sorry to be a pain. How do I do that?
[12:26:59] k-man_: lupin_sanse2, also, check that the backend and front end are both able to talk to the db
[12:27:19] k-man_: i can't remember for the FE, but I think its in the settings
[12:27:38] k-man_: i mean accessed through the front end settings
[12:28:50] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ sorry to be a pain. Could you walk me through all that via PM. I'll happily pay you $50 for your time
[12:30:41] k-man_: lupin, this might be of help to you
[12:30:42] k-man_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . ion_Frontend
[12:31:26] k-man_: just go through the menus in the frontend to setup
[12:31:51] k-man_: my going rate for mythtv support is $300/h and its definately not worth it ;)
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[12:32:21] juski: I wouldn't dream of letting my myth boxes get their IP address from my router. they could end up as anything!
[12:32:49] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ okay $300
[12:33:03] juski: dhcp is only much use for mythtv backends if the router hands out fixed addresses per mac ID
[12:33:12] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ I just want to get the thing running and watch TV
[12:33:15] k-man_: cripes lupin_sanse2, you must be desperate
[12:33:35] k-man_: lupin_sanse2, did you go through the menus?
[12:34:42] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ I sure am. My only alternative is to wipe the disk and reinstall knoppmyth, or to spend 8 hours learning more about myth and linux and working out why it doesn't work
[12:35:03] k-man_: yeah
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[12:35:07] k-man_: i'd say the latter
[12:35:19] k-man_: lupin_sanse2, are you familiar with windows?
[12:35:29] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ yes
[12:37:08] k-man_: there is a project called mediaportal that runs under windows
[12:37:18] k-man_: lupin_sanse2, that might be easier for you if you don't have linux experience
[12:37:41] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ I already have myth setup the way I like it though, and am used to it. I'd rather just get my myth box backup
[12:37:51] k-man_: lupin_sanse2, even if you get myth working again now, how are you going to cope next time something goes wrong?
[12:37:57] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ I've had it running for a year with no issues so far
[12:38:05] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ I can pay you again ;)
[12:38:25] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ no issues until today that is!
[12:39:11] TomTom: hi again, is it somehow possible to steam mpgfiles from the backend instead using mythvideo an localplayback ? or even "on the fly transcoding" via the backend ?
[12:40:26] k-man_: lupin_sanse2, it sounds to me like your ip addresses could have changed since your power loss
[12:40:36] k-man_: lupin_sanse2, and that could well be the issue
[12:41:49] lupin_sanse2: I don't think it has, as I have a shortcut in my browser to the mythweb page through the ip address and it still works: http://10.1.1.5/mythweb/
[12:43:38] k-man_: very strange
[12:43:44] k-man_: no idea what it could be then
[12:44:10] k-man_: how long since the last time you rebooted before the power outage
[12:44:33] lupin_sanse2: maybe a few weeks
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[12:45:16] lupin_sanse2: I do reboot from time to time – maybe once a month
[12:45:17] juski: if mythweb works, it's not a backend problem then
[12:45:38] lupin_sanse2: yes it works okay
[12:46:12] Aval0n: with front ends, is it pretty much if you have linux working with video and sound it will work?
[12:46:26] Aval0n: because I was thinking of using my dreamcast as a frontend
[12:47:58] Aval0n: or I could use this as a frontend http://www.shop.com/Hauppauge_MediaMVP_Digita . . . 700-p!.shtml
[12:49:26] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ when I start myth from the command line I get: could not initialise /dev/input/js0 open: Permission denied ioctl JSIOCGAXES: Bad file descriptor
[12:49:51] k-man_: is that the frontend or the backend?
[12:49:57] k-man_: must be front end??
[12:50:09] lupin_sanse2: front end I think – when I type in "mythtv"
[12:50:27] Aval0n: front end is the machine your tv is hooked to
[12:50:39] Aval0n: unless you are talking about both on 1 p
[12:50:40] Aval0n: c
[12:50:41] Aval0n: :P
[12:54:13] k-man_: lupin_sanse2, try typing mythfrontend instead, mythtv is just the tv part
[12:58:14] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ okay...
[12:58:16] pat_: can anybody answer me the question of which linux sound system can be used to output to multiple networked machines at once?
[12:58:30] pat_: I can't figure out what to google for
[12:58:38] pat_: and I can't remember what it is
[12:58:51] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ I still get that error: could not initialise /dev/input/js0 open: Permission denied ioctl JSIOCGAXES: Bad file descriptor
[12:59:21] k-man_: well... what did it do after that? return to the command prompt or keep running?
[12:59:41] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ no is started myth – I can see the start screen (blue screen with the menu)
[13:00:11] k-man_: ok, quit and see if there are any more messages in the term window
[13:00:26] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ I also get: SIP Cannot Register; proxy, username or password not set
[13:00:53] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ no more errors after that
[13:00:58] k-man_: sounds like you have mythphone installed or something
[13:01:14] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ yes I think it's there. I never use it though
[13:01:40] GreyFoxx: the sip message means you have it installed and it's not configured, you can ignore it
[13:01:47] lupin_sanse2: cool
[13:01:52] GreyFoxx: the js0 is because you have joystick menu control compiled in
[13:02:00] GreyFoxx: if it's not stopping you from doing anything, just ignore it
[13:02:03] lupin_sanse2: okay cool
[13:03:04] k-man_: does mythfrontend have any debug command line uptions?
[13:03:16] juski: k-man_: -v help
[13:03:17] GreyFoxx: -v
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[13:04:06] k-man_: juski, can't execute it as it can't connect to an x server from where i'm running it
[13:04:15] k-man_: well, i execute it, but it says mythfrontend: cannot connect to X server
[13:05:08] k-man_: lupin_sanse2, use the -v debug options to give you more info when you run the frontend
[13:05:22] lupin_sanse2: ok
[13:06:14] lupin_sanse2: k-man_ done
[13:07:00] lupin_sanse2: hmm no scrollbars in my xterm
[13:07:38] lupin_sanse2: it says New DB Connection in it
[13:07:52] GreyFoxx: k-man: then set your DISPLAY environment variable to point to arunning X session
[13:08:06] GreyFoxx: it's not gonna draw anything on it
[13:08:12] GreyFoxx: just connects for some basic info
[13:10:06] k-man_: yeah, i could... but it was only to find the options for lupin_sanse2
[13:10:10] k-man_: no point really
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[13:12:24] juski: -v help shows the options
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[13:14:09] lupin_sanse2: how do I stop mythbackend and start it again?
[13:14:14] pat_: does mythtv support pulseaudio?
[13:14:41] pat_: s/support/support output to/
[13:15:11] gbee: pat_: with a patch in trac, I believe it does
[13:15:30] gbee: well the pulseaudio plugin for alsa you mean?
[13:15:33] pigeon: hi, got a analog tv card, v4lctl works for changing channels, but inside mythfrontend it doesn't work, keep tuning it to static. something weird i'm missing?
[13:15:44] pat_: cool, well that can be tomorrow's project, working that all out
[13:16:58] pat_: gbee: I don't know enough yet to make informed questions. I'm just testing the waters at the moment (my mythbox also runs some jukebox software which I want to output to another linux server in my workshop downstairs as well as the loungeroom)
[13:17:25] pat_: I just figured I'd need myth to be able to run on the same sound system to save having to reconfigure them all the time
[13:21:04] pat_: anyway, bed
[13:21:26] gbee: anyone know if it's possible to replace the green windows logo thingy in the mce remote? Before I scar the thing trying to prise it apart I thought I better ask because someone else has probably already tried
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[13:30:49] juski: gbee: yeah dead easy allegedly
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[13:32:46] gbee: just been examining the remote and the plastic looks a little soft, not sure I'd be able to seperate the two halves without leaving tool marks
[13:33:05] k-man_: gbee, i'd love to do that too
[13:33:22] gbee: of course I'd need a mythtv logo to replace it
[13:33:25] k-man_: let me know if you find a way of doing it
[13:33:34] k-man_: gbee, or at least a linux log
[13:33:36] k-man_: o
[13:33:52] gbee: nah, has to be a mythtv one to match the case badge
[13:34:21] juski: gbee: I can supply a small png of the badge graphic :)
[13:35:35] gbee: cool
[13:35:52] lupin_sanse2: how do I stop and start mythbackend?
[13:36:20] gbee: it's a nice remote, better than the hauppauge one but lacks a music button
[13:38:12] k-man_: gbee, what button do you use for program details?
[13:38:15] gbee:
[13:38:21] k-man_: the m key
[13:38:27] k-man_: i think its m
[13:38:29] k-man_: hmmm
[13:38:40] juski: <3 my OFA-6 remote. one remote for up to 6 devices
[13:38:51] pigeon: how does mythtv find out the frequency for an anolog card for channels?
[13:39:11] gbee: k-man_: I'm not currently using the MCE remote, I only received it this morning and I didn't buy it for the remote, but for the IR blasters
[13:39:25] juski: pigeon: if you don't use zap2it, it finds out from YOU
[13:39:50] pigeon: which field/config in particular?
[13:40:03] juski: pigeon: freq id
[13:40:04] gbee: k-man_: it's the I or U key (think U by default, but I've rebound to I) and I'd bind it to the i(more) button
[13:40:12] k-man_: gbee, ah, ok.. i have mine more or less set up
[13:40:26] k-man_: gbee, and the setup i followed used * and # as the M key
[13:40:31] pigeon: freqid in the channel table?
[13:40:38] juski: pigeon: yes.
[13:40:39] gbee: right now I'm using my wireless mouse as a remote for my laptop, a hauppauge remote for the tv
[13:40:59] pigeon: what unit would the freqid be?
[13:41:32] lupin_sanse2: Sorry anyone know how I can stop the mythbackend?
[13:41:35] juski: pigeon: Mhz or channel numbers (e.g. 56)
[13:42:18] gbee: the hauppauge remote has all the same buttons as the MCE remote, with a couple of extras, but the button sizes are better with the mce and the backlight is neat
[13:42:20] pigeon: if i put the channel number there, how does it find out the Mhz?
[13:42:35] juski: pigeon: it has lookup tables internally
[13:42:49] pigeon: right
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[13:48:27] pigeon: still not tuning correctly :\
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[13:49:44] jazking123: Hello all, i'm new to Mythtv but extremely impressed by it. Does anybody know whether a good windows frontend which supports live tv is available yet?
[13:51:28] juski: jazking123: NO, nor is there ever likely to be (I hope!)
[13:51:45] pigeon: both channel number or MHz don't work
[13:53:32] jazking123: Thats a shame, i'm using linux but the people in my house who don't use computers much are running windows and I would like to have tried to setup a mythtv server for us to use
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[13:54:53] pigeon: juski: is there anything i could check when it's changing channels?
[13:55:14] wh0dat: is there any way to get rid of interlacing on ntsc input?
[13:55:23] juski: jazking123: not a shame at all IMHO. Linux just means it's just more reliable :D
[13:55:41] juski: wh0dat: enable deinterlacing in tv playback settings in mythfrontend
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[13:58:31] wh0dat: juski: tried that, but when i pause it i still see lines
[13:58:59] juski: wh0dat: so? it's paused & doesn't matter. it doesn't bother deinterlacing during pause. why would it?
[13:59:25] GreyFoxx: jazking123: there are a couple of independant projects for windows apps that interact with myth, and I know they do recordings playback. I just don't know if any do livetv or how stable they are as I've never used any of them
[13:59:54] juski: no windows application works with live tv. no windows app interacts with a mythtv backend *reliably*
[13:59:58] wh0dat: juski: so it looks better when it's paused? lol. okay, i just figured it may not be working, looks like it is.
[14:00:43] juski: there isn't yet any windows app for mythtv that actually looks good either. they all look like nightmare VB apps
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[14:01:26] GreyFoxx: jazking123: some people keep threatening (including myself at one point) to port mythfrontend to windows but not a lot has really come of it over the years :)
[14:01:34] wh0dat: juski: a front end for my pda would be cool =)
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[14:01:50] juski: usewrs who STFU about features they'll never write, would be cool
[14:01:55] gbee: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3470
[14:02:14] jazking123: Yeah, i've been looking around and found a few projects
[14:02:32] GreyFoxx: wh0dat: There is stuff for the Nokia N800
[14:02:39] GreyFoxx: a project called gmyth or gsmyth
[14:02:44] wh0dat: thats cool
[14:03:01] GreyFoxx: It looks nifty and apparently does livetv very well too
[14:03:18] wh0dat: it used evdo, or bluetooth, or wifi?
[14:03:20] jazking123: I was surprised as I thought given how popular mythtv seems to be, and the nature of having a frontend and backend setup someone would have made a reasonable windows frontend
[14:03:24] juski: bah. internet applicance humbug
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[14:03:41] juski: jazking123: all it would take is for somebody to get off their fat ass & write one :)
[14:04:12] jazking123: I can write in pascal but i dont think that would get me very far
[14:04:31] juski: heheheh
[14:04:53] wh0dat: jazking: easiest way would be to just run vmware player with a mythfrontend linux image =)
[14:05:16] jazking123: Ill keep looking around
[14:05:20] juski: wh0dat: apart from how slow it'd be because of the lack of accelerated video
[14:05:22] jazking123: thanks anyway
[14:05:43] pigeon: the strange thing is, i set it to use an external command to change the channel, running v4lctl, and that doesn't work either.
[14:05:46] k-man_: gbee, did you work out how to replace the image in the mce remote yet?
[14:05:50] wh0dat: juski: i think vmware does support accelerated.. games run well on it.
[14:06:03] pigeon: if i run v4ctl myself, when mythtv is playing from the tv card, that works.
[14:06:07] pigeon: how weird is that...
[14:06:36] gbee: k-man_: heh, no, might look at it tonight but right now I'm trying to close a few tickets
[14:06:55] k-man_: gbee, ok, don't let me distract you then :)
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[14:11:24] ** juski is glad there's no windows frontend. talk about holding a project back. you don't get many diskless windows machines to the dozen **
[14:11:54] ** RyeBrye is glad there is no windows frontend too **
[14:12:06] ** RyeBrye wants a Symbian frontend though :P **
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[14:13:43] pigeon: i'll want a wii myth frontend :)
[14:14:10] RyeBrye: Hmm... doesn't wii have a flash player?
[14:14:26] pigeon: it has opera with flash, yes
[14:14:28] RyeBrye: but doens't it just have 802.11b – no g?
[14:14:59] pigeon: builtin 802.11b or eth using a usb adapter
[14:15:21] RyeBrye: You could build a web frontend for mythttv without much work – esp once the next release has flash streaming out of the box
[14:15:51] gbee: 802.11b is just about enough for SD
[14:17:08] pigeon: ah... flash streaming straight from a mythbackend?
[14:18:16] gbee: not quite, goes via a web server first
[14:19:06] wesssssssssssssK: embarassing problem: while uninstalling lirc through the package manager, it decided that MythTV was a dependency and i didnt notice.
[14:19:28] wesssssssssssssK: so it uninstalled mythtv, so i reinstalled it, and it doesnt start up
[14:19:46] wesssssssssssssK: with this error: Details: Failed to execute child process "/usr/share/mythdora/mythfrontend.sh" (No such file or directory)
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[14:22:12] wesssssssssssssK: is working through the package manager just hopeless?
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[14:28:33] wesssssssssssssK: i realize that this is pretty retarded, but can anyone help me out?
[14:28:37] wesssssssssssssK: i'm pretty new at this
[14:28:55] juski: another glowing user reccomendation for mythdora
[14:29:15] ** juski goes home. ta-ta **
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[14:32:44] Dibblah: wesssssssssssssK: You're probably installing a version of Myth that is different from the one that was originally installed – And is not compatible with the way mythdora expects things.
[14:32:49] Dibblah: Reinstall. ;)
[14:33:11] Dibblah: And that's an annoying nick.
[14:33:30] wesssssssssssssK: Dibblah: mythdora was probably my first mistake
[14:33:57] wesssssssssssssK: and thanks
[14:35:15] wesssssssssssssK: well shit... how do i find where the package manager installed the frontend?
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[14:36:00] Dibblah: Reinstall with something more traditional would be my choice. And... Follow a guide. :)
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[14:37:30] wesssssssssssssK: ok, how do i make sure to get all the mythdora dependencies for mythtv uninstalled?
[14:41:10] RyeBrye: reinstall from scratch with fedora or something
[14:41:16] RyeBrye: that will do it for SURE
[14:41:40] RyeBrye: google "fedora mythology" and ignore the note at the top telling you to use myhtdora – the guide is good
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[15:38:04] Skyy: Hey, just a quick question guys – has anyone ever had problems adding a tuner while running the backend setup? I setup all the source and the driver, press finish and nothing pops up on the list. Its like nothing happened at all. Would that be a database problem?
[15:39:28] Skyy: i dont really need a solution, just a point in the right direction.. i'm just rather confused right now
[15:40:33] jams: make sure mythbackend isn't running when running mythtv-setup
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[15:41:32] jams: which "list" are you talking about?
[15:41:42] Skyy: Alright. It usually asks me to kill it before i start the setup – but i'll kill it anyways
[15:42:10] Skyy: THe one that lists all the tv tuners that are set up on the myth tv box. It usually says "add tv tuner" "remove all tv tuners"
[15:42:11] Skyy: i thnk
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[15:42:18] jams: ok
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[15:42:48] Skyy: Yeah, i've taken a look in the database and it seems like my tuner is being added, just not displayed
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[16:53:33] xris: anyone ever hear of firewire problems with fedora 7?
[16:53:53] slaine_: xris, There's a new firewire stack in the kernel, so it's possible
[16:54:04] jams: i believe j-rod has mentioned that the firewire stack is screwed
[16:54:20] xris: yeah
[16:54:22] j-rod: yup, its horked
[16:54:28] xris: I just saw that on the wiki wishlist
[16:54:29] xris: yay
[16:54:35] j-rod: at least wrt firewire cable boxes
[16:54:39] xris: so fc5 died for me, and f-7 is borked.
[16:54:47] xris: j-rod: recommendations?
[16:54:48] j-rod: well, and almost any avc device
[16:54:58] xris: fc6? centos?
[16:55:04] j-rod: xris: could try the latest fc6 kernel instead
[16:55:06] xris: gentoo? /me ducks
[16:55:10] laga: i could recommend ubuntu.
[16:55:15] ** laga runs for cover **
[16:55:17] xris: laga: hated it when I tried that
[16:55:21] j-rod: very very similar to the latest f7, but w/the old firewire stack and a few other minor changes
[16:55:46] j-rod: I should go nag krh to fix this shit
[16:55:55] xris: j-rod: I'd have to dig up nvidia drivers for it, too.
[16:56:05] xris: thx
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[16:56:23] j-rod: both axel and livna still support fc6, so that shouldn't be a problem
[16:57:59] xris: yeah. just annoying.
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[17:02:47] j-rod: btw, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=241729
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[17:15:14] mohamed_: hi
[17:15:31] mohamed_: i have a question related to mythtv with DVB-S card ....
[17:15:43] mohamed_: i try to setup mythtv to use dvb-s ...
[17:15:56] mohamed_: my card is flydvb-s ...
[17:16:12] mohamed_: i download the latest v4l-dvb drivers, and install it
[17:16:29] mohamed_: the problem is that sometime /dev/dvb created , and almost of time empty
[17:16:30] juski: mohamed_: first things first. make sure your card works in linux by testing it
[17:16:40] mohamed_: then mythtv can't see the card
[17:16:46] mohamed_: anyone can help me ?
[17:16:58] mohamed_: yes i test it before and it was working
[17:17:06] juski: if you are not even seeing device nodes in /dev/dvb then you cannot use mythtv yet. you need to fix that. I suggest you ask in #linuxtv
[17:17:08] mohamed_: also in the same computer
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[17:18:20] mohamed_: thx juski i will join linuxtv
[17:19:06] juski: mohamed_: once you have the card working properly in linux, THEN (and only then) should you try to set up mythtv
[17:19:45] mohamed_: yes, it worked once only and after restart it stopped
[17:20:04] mohamed_: i don't know if this s related to kernel version
[17:20:12] mohamed_: i use it with plutohome
[17:20:23] mohamed_: that use kernel 2.6.16.20
[17:21:19] juski: I'd guess it would be Plutohome's problem then
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[17:21:49] mohamed_: yes, maybe this is true
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[17:24:26] laga: gah
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[17:42:01] Slyboots: Hello
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[17:42:32] mkrufky: why does my name show up in today's daily chat log, given that this is the first time i've entered this room in weeks? http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2007-08-01
[17:42:51] Slyboots: You have been sleep IRCing
[17:43:08] mkrufky: was my name logged into this room earlier?!?
[17:43:31] Slyboots: Dunno...
[17:43:40] mkrufky: ....this could only mean that somebody falsely used my login
[17:43:50] mkrufky: i'll change my nickserv password... what a PITA
[17:44:00] Slyboots: Or the logs are buggy..
[17:44:13] mkrufky: i think the logs are probably buggy
[17:44:17] Beirdo: huh?
[17:44:26] mkrufky: i havent been here since before i took vacation from work
[17:44:30] Beirdo: you are here now, so why wouldn't your nick be there?
[17:44:39] mkrufky: last time i was here, was the day that you guys convinced me to join facebook
[17:44:50] Beirdo: hmmm
[17:44:51] mkrufky: Beirdo: i joined this room just a few moments ago
[17:44:57] mkrufky: but i looked at the daily log beforehand
[17:45:11] Beirdo: yeah, it's possible there is a bug logging that you left
[17:45:20] Beirdo: weird things happen sometimes
[17:45:28] jams: July 20th is when you left
[17:45:33] mkrufky: yes
[17:45:37] mkrufky: and i havent been here since then
[17:45:43] jams: correct
[17:45:47] jams: thats what my logs show
[17:46:05] Slyboots: Okay, I could use a little feedback at what could be wrong with my MythTV setup..
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[17:46:21] laga: maybe there was a netsplit when he left
[17:46:22] mkrufky: ok, looking at yesterdays log: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2007-07-31
[17:46:32] Beirdo: I'm sure there's something odd there, not to worry
[17:46:37] mkrufky: i am also listed as a "current user" ... but was never logged in
[17:46:39] Slyboots: Im using a Nova-T card (I've got as far as having channels displayed on mplayer by using scan and a channels.conf file)
[17:46:52] mkrufky: well, obviously nothing to really worry about... but i think there's a bug, thats all
[17:46:55] Slyboots: But when I try to scan for channels inside myth, it does not find anyh
[17:47:03] Beirdo: probably is
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[17:47:26] mkrufky: using yesterday is good as proof ... i promise i was not here
[17:47:28] Beirdo: somehow the bot didn't notice you leaving... or the web interface is interpreting it wrong when it looks at the db
[17:47:35] mkrufky: ah, perhaps
[17:47:54] Beirdo: we've had issues on and off with that
[17:48:12] mkrufky: how about xpertknobtwiddlr .... he usually visits linuxtv when he comes here too.... i havent seen him in a long while (he's a friend of mine from college)
[17:48:30] mkrufky: and hes also in the "current user" list
[17:48:41] mkrufky: i think perhaps that list is showing everybody that has ever been in here :-P
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[17:48:58] Beirdo: I'm not so sure, but I think there's a wee bug there
[17:49:11] Beirdo: my head hurts too much to track it down today though ;)
[17:49:27] mkrufky: ok... so long as you are aware, that was my goal
[17:49:27] Slyboots: You could look at my mythTV problem instead ;)
[17:49:55] mkrufky: lol, if i were beirdo, and was too tired to look into a bot bug, id probably be too tired also to debug mythtv code
[17:49:55] keith4: what's the current recommendation for SD tuner cards?
[17:49:55] Beirdo: yeah, I'm aware that at times that user list seems to get way out of whack. Not quite sure why at this point.
[17:50:17] mkrufky: but you should be aware that there are many others in this room, Slyboots ... just ask the question to the room and maybe somebody can help
[17:50:30] jams: keith4- pvr 150 or 500
[17:50:39] mkrufky: keith4: for sd tuner cards, id recommend pvr150 or pvr500
[17:50:39] Beirdo: I should just put the latest version of the bot on this channel, see if I fixed it in the last nearly 100 SVN versions :)
[17:50:39] Slyboots: mkrufky: I'v ebeen asking.. but people dont answer.. its a little hurtful to my feelings *nod*
[17:50:39] keith4: 500 is dual tuner?
[17:50:42] Beirdo: heh
[17:50:45] mkrufky: hehe, i didnt see that, jams :-)
[17:50:53] keith4: pvr 150 is hardware encoder, but not decoder?
[17:51:02] mkrufky: pvr350 also contains decoder, keith4
[17:51:12] keith4: 250 is discontinued?
[17:51:14] mkrufky: but i dont think you'll find one for sale easily ... try ebay
[17:51:18] mkrufky: 250 is discontinues, yes
[17:51:24] mkrufky: D
[17:51:29] keith4: a buddy asked about making a mythbox, asked what he should
[17:51:30] keith4: get
[17:51:42] keith4: i have 4 250s from a while back... but i figured i'd get the latest recommendations
[17:51:55] Slyboots: *sninffle*
[17:52:02] keith4: does MCE make a difference?
[17:52:14] mkrufky: keith4: then pvr500 is more appropriate — it's two 150's on a single pci card
[17:52:28] mkrufky: keith4: MCE is usually just includes remote control, i think
[17:52:34] iamlindoro: MCE includes the IR receiver and blaster w/ remote control. Remote works very nicely in myth, too
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[17:52:51] keith4: yah, if I hadn't bought them one at a time, i wouldn't have gotten 250s
[17:53:14] mkrufky: Slyboots: i do not see your question in the logs
[17:54:06] Slyboots: Okay, Well here is my question, A Nova-T card (Single Tuner) that I scan for channels using "scan" and even grab video and audio using mplayer and the genereated channels.conf file, so the card is fuctioning correctly) But, when I add the card in Myth (Which is detected correctly) The channel-scanner fails so I cant view TV
[17:54:16] Slyboots: *Jazz-hands!*
[17:54:18] Slyboots: ^^
[17:54:43] iamlindoro: so import your channels.conf
[17:54:44] fryfrog: Slyboots: can you import your channels.conf that you can make outside mythtv?
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[17:54:45] xris: j-rod: thx for that info. wonder if I should put something about f-7 firewire into the wiki
[17:55:13] j-rod: probably wouldn't hurt
[17:55:23] j-rod: mkrufky: ooh, been lookin' for ya...
[17:55:36] Slyboots: fryfrog: Uh.. I dont realy know how I would go about doing that?
[17:55:39] mkrufky: Slyboots: how about just import the channels.conf using mythtv's channels.conf importer
[17:55:52] mkrufky: lol, sorry fryfrog is a step ahead of me
[17:55:59] mkrufky: j-rod: hey, whats up?
[17:56:03] j-rod: mkrufky: airstar hd5000 go boom w/2.6.22.1 kernels...
[17:56:07] mkrufky: no way!
[17:56:11] Slyboots: That sounds like a good solution, but I dont know how to do it o.O
[17:56:12] j-rod: can't lock onto squat anymore
[17:56:16] mkrufky: oh no
[17:56:35] j-rod: verified on two different hd5000 cards, in two different systems, two different arches
[17:56:40] mkrufky: j-rod: what is the exact env so that i can reproduce this week (might have to wait for the weekend)
[17:56:56] j-rod: fedora 7, kernel 2.6.22.1–41.fc7
[17:56:56] mkrufky: j-rod: also, do you have any specific error messages?
[17:57:01] mkrufky: hmm
[17:57:17] mkrufky: i am afraid up upgrading from fc5 -> fc7 due to my lvm + md arrays
[17:57:28] j-rod: I vaguely recall some minor dmesg spew, but I dunno if it was related
[17:57:34] j-rod: heh
[17:57:40] mkrufky: i heard that they have all changed from /dev/sdXY to /dev/hdXY ... or something like that
[17:57:45] mkrufky: is it true?
[17:57:47] j-rod: oh that, yeah
[17:57:50] j-rod: libata crack
[17:57:58] j-rod: all drives are now /dev/sdX
[17:57:59] mkrufky: i might cry if i lose my recordings
[17:58:02] mkrufky: (just kidding)
[17:58:16] j-rod: upgrade went fine on my own systems, but wasn't without pain for others
[17:58:33] j-rod: but yeah, 2.6.18 and 2.6.21, no problems w/a channel scan
[17:58:34] mkrufky: so... all /dev/hdX --> /dev/sdX ?
[17:58:44] jams: yep
[17:58:48] Beirdo: I hope only for SATA?
[17:58:50] mkrufky: what about /dev/mdX ?
[17:58:53] Slyboots: So uh.. how *do* I add the channels.conf to Myth o.OP
[17:59:00] j-rod: mdX is still mdX
[17:59:06] mkrufky: Slyboots: mythtv-setup ... it has online help
[17:59:06] j-rod: Beirdo: nope, for PATA too
[17:59:08] jams: Beirdo- it applies to PATA as well
[17:59:09] Slyboots: Im in mythtv-setup, but I dont see anything related to it o.o
[17:59:10] Beirdo: if IDE drives are now "/dev/sdX", you have some serious issues
[17:59:17] Beirdo: why the heck?
[17:59:23] ** kormoc blinks **
[17:59:25] Slyboots: Scsi emulation?
[17:59:29] j-rod: kick jgarzik
[17:59:29] mkrufky: Slyboots: i think it's something like.... configure sources.... i forget
[17:59:36] jams: unified driver is the reason iwas given
[17:59:40] iamlindoro: slyboots: switch scan type to "channels.conf"
[17:59:49] Beirdo: IDE drives are NOT SCSI in any way, that is just lame
[17:59:58] j-rod: yeah, all of pata and sata are handled by the libata stack now
[18:00:14] jams: j-rod- do you know if the old ata drivers are slated to go away soon?
[18:00:16] mkrufky: j-rod: so.... which will register first? pata or sata?
[18:00:16] Beirdo: so that means smartctl is likely borked too :)
[18:00:18] j-rod: "sdX doesn't mean scsi anymore" or some shit
[18:00:19] kormoc: Beirdo, sata isn't scsi as well, yet they're sd*
[18:00:28] j-rod: mkrufky: depends...
[18:00:34] mkrufky: j-rod: and does /dev/mdX stay the same or no?
[18:00:36] Slyboots: There is only "Full Scan"
[18:00:38] juski: usb isn't scsi either, and they're sd* also
[18:00:44] j-rod: mkrufky: that stays the same
[18:00:47] Beirdo: so lame
[18:00:48] mkrufky: ok, good
[18:01:08] ** Beirdo is more and more happy with solaris' naming scheme :) **
[18:01:16] mkrufky: ok, i'll find a spare drive and install fc7 on it, lol
[18:01:16] j-rod: mkrufky: I can just give you remote access to one of my problem boxes as well
[18:01:38] mkrufky: j-rod: ok, that would be cool .... can you email me the info? i wont have time for it till tomorrow anyhow
[18:01:41] juski: Beirdo: they've lost the cryptic heiroglyphic naming? ;)
[18:01:48] mkrufky: j-rod: and i'll need sudo access
[18:01:50] j-rod: I should add that the scanning/lockon problem *could* be myth-specific, haven't tried w/anything else just yet
[18:02:02] mkrufky: j-rod: give it a try using dvb-utils
[18:02:09] fryfrog: j-rod: air*star*?
[18:02:11] fryfrog: or air2pc?
[18:02:11] Beirdo: nothing cryptic about it... it shows controller number, target number, disk number, slice number
[18:02:12] ** kormoc likes /dev/bfg/d2m3/p2/s5525122412 **
[18:02:17] j-rod: fryfrog: airstar.
[18:02:23] iamlindoro: Slyboots, when you have that field active, what happens when you press right arrow?
[18:02:32] Slyboots: Under Channel Scan?
[18:02:33] iamlindoro: The scan type, that is
[18:02:34] Slyboots: Nothing
[18:02:34] fryfrog: oh, guess there are tons of "hd5000" cards :)
[18:03:21] iamlindoro: Well, you're on the right screen, either you have a borked myth setup or you need to figure out how to switch to channels.conf mode
[18:03:21] Slyboots: Got the Scan type page up, Got "video Source : TV" "Capture card" V4L: /dev/video0, then "Scan Type: Full Scan"
[18:03:25] Slyboots: I cant change it to anything else
[18:03:45] Slyboots: I just built it from the Ubuntu packaging manager
[18:03:57] iamlindoro: then the issue is between the chair and the keyboard, ;)
[18:04:11] Slyboots: What
[18:04:24] iamlindoro: wait, didn't you say you were using a dvb card?
[18:04:36] Slyboots: Yes, A Nova-T (DVB-T)
[18:04:45] j-rod: fryfrog: the airstar hd5000 is by the air2pc folks, but that's what the card is called
[18:04:46] iamlindoro: then you are using the wrong card type
[18:04:55] iamlindoro: i think
[18:05:00] mkrufky: fryfrog: airstar is the 3rd air2pc revision, using LGH064F, (lg-5th gen) instead of nxt2002 or the bcm demod
[18:05:07] iamlindoro: someone correct me if I am wrong here
[18:05:09] Slyboots: Eh? I dont follow what you mean
[18:05:20] Beirdo: can't wait to see the mass renaming of devices that libata stuff will cause for me :)
[18:05:36] mkrufky: Slyboots: thats it — DVB is NOT v4l
[18:05:37] iamlindoro: I believe you have set your card up wrong
[18:05:45] mkrufky: Slyboots: set up the card as a DVB v3.0 card
[18:05:46] Slyboots: It works under Mplayer..
[18:05:51] mkrufky: Slyboots: remove the old config
[18:05:52] Slyboots: Okay, Two secs
[18:05:55] mkrufky: i shit you not, my friend
[18:06:15] Beirdo: time for bot upgradage
[18:06:30] Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v MythLogBot
[18:06:30] Slyboots: Okay, DVB DTV Capture Card (v3.x)
[18:06:39] Beirdo: ahhh. ncurses goodness
[18:06:40] Beirdo: :)
[18:06:48] Slyboots: Oh yes, Conexant CX22702 DBV-T, That sounds good :)
[18:06:49] j-rod: mkrufky: what's the magic incantation to scan using dvb-utils?
[18:07:21] juski: scan $inputfile, IIRC
[18:07:50] juski: where $inputfile is your initial tuning file found in /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils or so
[18:08:04] j-rod: damn, that's what I thought
[18:08:17] ** j-rod hunts for an initial tuning file... **
[18:08:19] Slyboots: .me gives it a scan :)
[18:08:44] Slyboots: haha, Its working
[18:08:51] Slyboots: God that was driving me *insane* yesterday
[18:09:02] mkrufky: j-rod: for best results ... -A2 for cable / -A1 for OTA .... -vvv so that you can see whats going on , and redirect > to a channels.conf
[18:09:06] ** iamlindoro gives himself a gold star. **
[18:09:26] mkrufky: j-rod: stick that channels.conf into either ~/.azap or ~/.mplayer , and test with either azap or mplayer ,respectively
[18:09:45] mkrufky: i actually just put it to one place, ans symlink the other
[18:10:25] j-rod: okay, scandvb is off and running
[18:10:33] Beirdo: !list
[18:10:39] Beirdo: OK, it's alive. Good
[18:10:56] Slyboots: WOO!
[18:10:58] Slyboots: WOOOOO!!
[18:11:01] j-rod: mkrufky: looks like similar results to mythtv's scanner
[18:11:01] Slyboots: .... WOOOO!!
[18:11:03] Slyboots: TV!
[18:11:06] ** Slyboots points at it! **
[18:11:08] Slyboots: TVV!!!!
[18:11:32] ** iamlindoro covers his ears. "Mommy, why is the bad man doing drugs?" **
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[18:11:45] j-rod: mkrufky: it initially finds 'WLVI HD' and 'WGBH-HD', then those keep repeating for every freq
[18:11:49] Slyboots: Sorry ^^, Im just excited to finaly have it working
[18:12:02] iamlindoro: haha s'ok
[18:12:23] mkrufky: j-rod: and you can confirm that this does not happen in prior kernels?
[18:13:55] j-rod: mkrufky: mythtv's scanner worked w/a 2.6.18 and a 2.6.21 kernel, 2.6.22 looked like the same behavior I'm seeing here
[18:14:06] j-rod: I can bounce the box back into 2.6.21 and re-run scandvb too
[18:14:52] j-rod: mkrufky: http://wilsonet.com/jarod/hd5000-scandvb-2.6.22.txt
[18:14:53] janneg: so it looks like only the first tuning attempt actually changes the parameters
[18:15:04] mkrufky: is the /dev/sdX change a 2.6.22 thing, or was it a fc7 thing?
[18:15:30] j-rod: some of both...
[18:15:40] j-rod: now I can't recall what we did for the FC6 2.6.22 kernels...
[18:15:44] mkrufky: hmm, seems janneg is correct
[18:15:50] mkrufky: is this problem ONLY with hd5000 ?
[18:15:55] j-rod: may have actually gone into 2.6.21, just wasn't enabled, dunno
[18:16:12] jams: it's in 2.6.21...and maybe 2.6.20
[18:16:14] j-rod: not sure if its the hd5000 only, don't have anything else handy anymore to test
[18:16:46] mkrufky: ah, i'm still on 2.6.20 + linuxtv.org hg on my dev box
[18:17:02] mkrufky: anybody else reporting similar problems ?
[18:17:13] ** j-rod really needs another different card... **
[18:17:20] mkrufky: (now would be a good time to have this as a full time job :-P )
[18:17:21] j-rod: not that I've heard
[18:17:25] j-rod: hehe
[18:17:37] mkrufky: hmm
[18:17:42] mkrufky: i will have to reproduce this at home
[18:17:47] j-rod: I hear ya. If I ever do manage to talk us into including dvb in rhel...
[18:17:51] mkrufky: i'll make a point to do this weekend ...
[18:17:59] Slyboots: Cool. Now have Freeview :)
[18:18:15] Slyboots: Although the signal is a little weak in palces, which strikes me as being a little odd
[18:18:16] mkrufky: hehe sounds cool to me .... although i might be snatched up by somebody else rather soon .........
[18:18:32] Slyboots: Im in the City-center, using a Hi-gain areial
[18:18:34] j-rod: Novell? ;)
[18:18:38] mkrufky: i shouldnt say
[18:18:42] j-rod: heh
[18:18:45] mkrufky: dont wanna jinx it
[18:18:50] mkrufky: plus, im at my current job now
[18:18:54] mkrufky: (im such a good worker)
[18:18:57] mkrufky: lol
[18:19:28] j-rod: heh, I got a phone call from a recruiter *at my desk on my office phone*, saying they were looking for linux kernel people...
[18:19:33] iamlindoro: slyboots: I find my signals with a DVB card to report substantially weaker than a standalone receiver. I have never had any problems locking on a channel, though.
[18:19:41] mkrufky: haha funny
[18:19:41] j-rod: was like "damn, you guys are ballsy"
[18:19:48] mkrufky: btw, when it rains, it pours
[18:19:57] mkrufky: i been getting many such emails / phone calls lately
[18:20:00] j-rod: most of the time, I just don't answer
[18:20:10] mkrufky: one of them i am _very_ interested in ... .time will tell
[18:20:21] Slyboots: the picture is mostly okay, a little bit of artifacting in places
[18:20:25] Slyboots: but nothing critical
[18:20:27] j-rod: funny that, I actually got a query from my former employer, Linux Networx today too...
[18:20:40] j-rod: "still liking red hat? if not..."
[18:20:42] Slyboots: What is a little weird is, some channels appear correctly (wide-screen) but others appear 4:3
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[18:21:05] j-rod: they also asked if I knew anyone else that might be interested in some stuff
[18:21:24] mkrufky: hmmm
[18:21:25] iamlindoro: Erm, Slyboots, are you sure those programs aren't being transmitted in 4:3?
[18:21:33] mkrufky: are you on linked in, j-rod ?
[18:22:00] j-rod: yup
[18:22:00] iamlindoro: 'cause the format should change based on whether the signal is a 16:9 or 4:3 program
[18:22:09] ** mkrufky searched **
[18:22:14] mkrufky: seacheS
[18:22:34] jams: j-rod- i would be intrested, but they would need to relocate here
[18:22:43] mkrufky: where are they, j-rod ?
[18:22:50] j-rod: jams: haha
[18:23:18] j-rod: well, the company is based in SLC, but at least one of the jobs they're looking to fill is in the DC/Baltimore area
[18:24:02] Beirdo: j-rod, are they into telecommuting?
[18:24:47] j-rod: Beirdo: depends on the position...
[18:25:02] Beirdo: heh. Well, I'm loathe to leave PR :)
[18:25:10] Beirdo: I like it here
[18:25:15] Beirdo: no winter... ever
[18:25:19] xris: j-rod: downgraded to fc6 kernel.. firewire doesn't work at all, not even plugreport
[18:25:27] Beirdo: winter here is like summer in much of the US
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[18:25:40] xris: Beirdo: you make it sound unpleasant.
[18:25:47] Beirdo: hmm?
[18:25:57] Beirdo: 80F on Christmas is unpleasant?
[18:25:59] xris: summer is unpleasant.
[18:26:04] xris: I like 60ish
[18:26:04] Beirdo: I love summer :)
[18:26:29] Beirdo: 60ish is nice too though
[18:26:56] Beirdo: heck, -40 is nice at times :)
[18:26:56] j-rod: xris: oh, sorry, forgot to mention...
[18:27:17] j-rod: xris: you'll also need the libraw1394 and libiec61883 bits from FC6
[18:27:21] xris: ah
[18:27:26] Beirdo: but fresh mango, fresh pineapple... mmmm
[18:27:31] xris: that makes sense
[18:27:32] j-rod: the f7 versions expect the newer stack
[18:27:40] xris: Beirdo: yeah, that I would like
[18:27:47] Beirdo: fresh papaya if you like it (I'm not much a papaya fan though)
[18:27:47] xris: j-rod: that also makes sense.
[18:27:55] xris: don't like papaya. kind of bland.
[18:28:09] ** j-rod was outside playing soccer at lunch yesterday, and upon getting in his car to head back to work, the temp registered as 101 **
[18:28:14] ** Beirdo looks out the window at the neighbor's fully loaded papaya tree **
[18:28:33] Beirdo: yikes, that's rough
[18:28:43] xris: Beirdo: you could always try drying the papaya seeds and using them instead of peppercorns.
[18:28:52] Beirdo: the temp here ranges from about 75F to 95F or so
[18:29:09] Beirdo: yeah, we might try that sometime. My wife loves papaya
[18:29:15] Beirdo: so we'll get lots of chances
[18:29:46] Beirdo: good for tenderizing meat..
[18:30:10] xris: papaya is good against stomach problems, to.
[18:30:11] xris: too
[18:30:14] xris: I just never liked it
[18:30:45] Beirdo: heh. I don't like the taste much... mixed with other fruits its OK though
[18:31:09] ben_goodger: #mythtv-users is as on-topic as ever, I see
[18:31:43] xris: ben_goodger: would you rather listen to me complain about broken fw in f-7?
[18:32:05] ben_goodger: what's f, in this instance?
[18:32:18] janneg: fire
[18:32:38] iamlindoro: or fedora
[18:32:41] iamlindoro: ;)
[18:32:46] laga: "fetish"
[18:33:13] Slyboots: Im curious, the OSD effects, do they show up on the recording?
[18:33:18] Beirdo: so the upgraded bot seems to be happy :)
[18:33:18] xris: j-rod: you sure that works? now I'm getting "cannot open shared object file libiec61883.so.0:"
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[18:33:27] iamlindoro: slyboots: record something and find out
[18:33:35] ben_goodger: no, I'm good...
[18:33:59] GreyFoxx: Slyboots: No
[18:34:05] Slyboots: Cool
[18:34:05] GreyFoxx: those are overlayed during playback only
[18:34:20] GreyFoxx: except if you record from the output of a settop box
[18:34:30] GreyFoxx: then that output can have some of the OSD stuff from the settop box
[18:34:39] j-rod: xris: what's spitting that error?
[18:34:43] xris: plugreport
[18:34:47] xris: or test-mpeg2
[18:34:53] j-rod: did you also back off libiec61883-utils?
[18:34:57] xris: test-mpeg2: error while loading shared libraries: libiec61883.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:34:58] xris: yup
[18:35:01] xris: it's all fc6
[18:35:04] j-rod: wtf...
[18:35:24] xris: oh, broken symlink
[18:35:48] xris: much better
[18:35:58] Beirdo: :)
[18:36:07] xris: rpm didn't fix the .so.0 symlink.. was still pointing to the newer version
[18:36:17] xris: yay...
[18:36:19] xris: it works
[18:36:24] xris: I just can't run yum update ever. heh
[18:36:47] xris: and now to recompile myth
[18:36:47] xris: heh
[18:37:50] xris: j-rod: thanks muchly
[18:37:56] xris: btw, you going to linuxworld next week?
[18:37:59] xris: (not that I'll be there)
[18:38:31] j-rod: linuxworld is next week? :)
[18:38:34] j-rod: (iow, no)
[18:38:54] Beirdo: hehe
[18:39:08] j-rod: xris: you can add an exclude= line for those bits and yum won't upgrade 'em
[18:39:38] xris: yeah, I know.. just lazy.
[18:39:51] xris: and it bites me later.. like exclude firefox.x86_64 prevents me from installing gnucash
[18:40:04] xris: someone needs to fix that whole multilib thing
[18:42:37] xris: or allow multilib binaries to coexist rather than having one replace the other, or however it works now
[18:48:44] juski: wow. never seen such vitriol as on the #linux-dvb mailing list :(
[18:49:13] Beirdo: who are they hating at?
[18:49:24] laga: uwe?
[18:50:25] juski: some dude called manu, if I got the jist right
[18:50:30] laga: ah
[18:52:26] ben_goodger: ....why?
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[18:53:59] mkrufky: ugh, dont ask
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[18:54:15] mkrufky: note the absense of emails from me — im thoroughly disgusted
[18:54:19] mkrufky: absence
[18:54:23] juski: makes me look positively good tempered :)
[18:54:32] mkrufky: yeah ... you're an angel, husk
[18:54:34] mkrufky: er
[18:54:35] ben_goodger: URL?
[18:54:36] mkrufky: juski:
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[19:08:55] Beirdo: yeah, mkrufky... there's definitely a bug in the bot somewhere... mohamed_ just left and is still in the "current users" list
[19:09:18] Beirdo: gonna take a quick look at the db
[19:09:45] mkrufky: ok
[19:09:46] juski: Beirdo: the logs still had me put down as here even when I'd been banned
[19:09:57] mkrufky: juski was banned, lol?
[19:10:06] juski: mkrufky: I asked for it. literally
[19:10:42] fryfrog: huh?
[19:10:45] Beirdo: OK, it's in the db.
[19:11:04] Beirdo: so I think the issue's with the query sent from the web frontend.... wonder if I broke it
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[19:11:42] juski: fryfrog: it was either that or I'd have really upset some people that day. inlaws were here to visit ;)
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[19:17:25] ger_3d: juski: have you had a chance to play with the buttons I mailed?
[19:17:56] Beirdo: hehe
[19:18:13] Beirdo: I think I've fixed the current users
[19:18:20] Beirdo: let me try yesterday's data
[19:18:54] Beirdo: muuuch better
[19:20:35] juski: ger_3d: no not yet
[19:20:55] Beirdo: xris: http://trac.beirdo.ca/projects/beirdobot/changeset/415
[19:21:05] Beirdo: in case you wanted to see what I changed :)
[19:22:19] ger_3d: juski: let me know when you did, I'll send you some more before the weekend
[19:22:29] Beirdo: mkrufky, I think it's fixed now :)
[19:24:20] mkrufky: Beirdo: ok, cool
[19:26:01] Beirdo: been meaning to look into that for a bit ;)
[19:27:41] mkrufky: im glad i said something :-)
[19:27:58] Beirdo: thanks :) It's good to fix silly little bugs.
[19:28:13] Beirdo: I thought we had fixed that earlier, but if we did, I re-broke it
[19:30:14] mkrufky: heheh
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[19:33:04] Beirdo: hmm, how to get the number of elements in an array in PHP?
[19:33:28] Beirdo: I'm sure it's easy. ...
[19:34:27] opello: heh
[19:34:34] opello: count
[19:34:42] Beirdo: count(array)?
[19:34:45] opello: yeah
[19:34:51] Beirdo: too simple. :)
[19:34:53] opello: count($var)
[19:34:58] Beirdo: gonna put the user count in there too
[19:35:10] mkrufky: hehe
[19:36:37] GreyFoxx: anyone here using the mythtv-vid branch ?
[19:37:37] Beirdo: and dome
[19:37:47] Beirdo: done rather... now to check that in too
[19:38:01] Beirdo: makes it easier to compare against the count in xchat :)
[19:40:43] Beirdo: surprise surprise, they match now :)
[19:40:45] Beirdo: 178 users
[19:42:02] Beirdo: be nice to have the list of users roll up, but I'm not an expert on that part... maybe if xris has copious spare time at some point :)
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[19:54:10] Beirdo: xris: warning... I just checked in the header and footer from the mythtv bot into SVN. if you svn up, be sure to put your header/footer back the way you want for your uses :0
[19:54:25] Beirdo: I did comment out the google ads though ;)
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[20:15:22] xris: Beirdo: ah. I don't use a specific header/footer, I don't think
[20:15:31] Beirdo: OK :)
[20:15:39] Beirdo: thought I'd give ya warning just in case
[20:15:51] xris: Beirdo: yeah, the schedulesdirect (and paying work) has kind of taken priority over coding lately
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[20:16:09] Beirdo: understood :) I know how that can work
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[20:17:28] Beirdo: I'm sure spare time will come sometime. I'm in no great rush :)
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[20:29:57] makomk: Okay – a show that's set to auto-expire isn't showing up on mythbackend --printexpire and is being skipped over (in 0.20.1_p13783, Gentoo package)
[20:30:03] makomk: Any thoughts?
[20:30:43] fryfrog: delete it manually?
[20:31:41] makomk: Yeah, I could, but I'd like to know why it's happening (especially since it meant I didn't notice several shows I wanted to keep getting expired...)
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[20:39:06] maek: so im an ubuntu user that just did a bunch of apt gets so Im shaky at best as to all the ins and outs of myth tv. I just moved to a new state with new channeles, do I need to re run mythconfig as the mythtv users? or can I run it as any user? thanks.
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[20:40:45] juski: mythconfig? wth?!
[20:40:58] maek: sorry, mythtv-setup
[20:41:26] maek: I have a million things on my mind trying to setup the network and the wife is saying, "dont forget to record my shows"
[20:41:31] juski: if you're using zap2it, update your account to reflect your change in channel lineup
[20:41:53] maek: juski: done. thanks.
[20:41:53] juski: then I guess, delete all your channels in mythtv-setup & grab the channel list from the listing source again
[20:42:06] juski: and that should about do it I think
[20:42:18] juski: ah and restart mythbackend of course
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[20:42:26] maek: thanks, giving that a go now.
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[20:50:20] wh0dat: what could cause my video to be a little jerky when the camera pans to the left/right?
[20:51:13] wh0dat: i know its not my hardware, its dual core cpu,1gig mem, latest nvidea..etc etc.
[20:54:17] keith4: tearing?
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[20:56:13] maek: juski: when Im try to scan for channels its telling me failed to open card, what user should I be running mythtv-setup as?
[21:01:37] maek: an mplayer /dev/video0 or /dev/video1 shows a tv show.
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[21:06:06] keith4: maek: same use you run mythfrontend as
[21:06:36] maek: keith4: thanks, I have mythfrontend being auto started by mythtv and I cant recall how I did that. trying to figure that out now. thanks
[21:07:40] keith4: if it can't open the card for channel scan, make sure the devices are setup correctly in mythtv-setup
[21:07:49] keith4: you might have to remove them and add them fresh
[21:08:00] Slyboots: Mythfrondend blows
[21:08:03] Slyboots: Backend is where its at!
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[21:08:43] keith4: right. what he said
[21:09:14] maek: ok thank you. so I should remove all, do a myth fill and then re run mythtv-setup ?
[21:09:27] maek: my backend and front end are on the same box
[21:09:58] keith4: no
[21:10:02] keith4: delete the capture cards
[21:10:04] keith4: add them again
[21:10:09] keith4: and then try the channel scan
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[21:10:38] maek: ah, easier then i thought. thanks
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[21:15:19] maek: keith4: thanks.
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[21:15:32] keith4: did it work?
[21:15:38] maek: yup :)
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[21:15:53] keith4: good
[21:17:59] maek: is there a solution for US people once zap2it labs turns of there service in sept?
[21:19:52] jams: yes, but only for a select few
[21:19:52] directhex: suicide or emmigration
[21:19:57] directhex: those are the most popular options
[21:19:59] keith4: http://schedulesdirect.org/
[21:21:32] maek: thanks.
[21:21:42] maek: i wish i could emigrate out of here.
[21:21:44] jams: way to go keith4, you just spoiled the big unveiling.
[21:21:51] maek: i wont tell
[21:21:52] keith4: ...
[21:21:56] ** keith4 points at the topic **
[21:22:06] jams: it's in the topic, cause we don't want people to know about it
[21:22:08] maek: 14:08 < Slyboots> Backend is where its at!
[21:22:16] keith4: ah
[21:22:17] keith4: haha
[21:22:18] maek: sorry, wrong key
[21:22:25] jams: placing things in the topic, is the best place to hide info
[21:22:28] keith4: touchè
[21:22:36] maek: as you can see by my questions.
[21:22:42] keith4: or is it touché
[21:23:11] keith4: sometimes i sit in #mythtv just for the amusment
[21:23:12] jams: keith4- depends on if your left or right handed
[21:23:16] psymin: I didn't think it was accent grave
[21:23:22] keith4: to watch people come in
[21:23:35] keith4: and someone "points at topic, just in case"
[21:23:44] keith4: people say "my mythtv doesn't work WAAAAH"
[21:23:49] keith4: someone "points at topic"
[21:23:55] keith4: then people say "oh, sorry" and leave
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[21:25:24] laga: keith4: that was a great piece of IRC play.
[21:25:26] laga: you're so deep
[21:25:31] ** laga runs for cover ;) **
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[21:25:41] psymin: anyone used a karaoke plugin for mythtv?
[21:25:54] keith4: psymin: that's an awesome idea
[21:26:05] olds: to quote michael bolton
[21:26:09] keith4: laga: that's as deep as it gets when i'm still at work 30 minutes later than i should be
[21:26:12] olds: that's the worst idea I've ever heard in my life
[21:26:21] psymin: according to google, there was one in 2005-ish ..
[21:26:36] banyan: Hey. Do I read correctly that a bunch of things need to be changed in myth before playback on a pvr350 will work correctly with kernel 2.6.22?
[21:27:21] keith4: where did you read that?
[21:27:27] banyan: (in short, I'm asking if there are specific plans to make these changes in 0.21)
[21:28:01] banyan: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . iew_threaded
[21:29:24] keith4: ha
[21:29:31] keith4: that'll teach you to be on the cutting edge
[21:29:48] keith4: can you still use the old ivtv driver?
[21:29:56] banyan: Maybe?
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[21:30:52] kaje: I'm very new to MythTV, I remember reading somewhere that MythTV was going to have a big problem because some free program guide site was shutting down... Has this been resolved?
[21:31:42] jams: kaje- last url in the topic
[21:32:02] kaje: Cool, so they've replaced the one that shutdown?
[21:33:16] jams: nope..nothing has shutdown either
[21:34:19] keith4: the sky is falling!
[21:34:51] kaje: Ok, I must have imagined that
[21:35:32] banyan: Mine are from zap2it.
[21:36:00] kaje: So, I'm reading the wiki and there are all the's video capture devices... Which one is the best/most compatible/reasonably priced?
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[21:36:34] keith4: last time I asked that question, people said hauppauge pvr 150 or 500
[21:36:38] keith4: depending on your needs
[21:36:40] fryfrog: kaje: gotta know *what* you are going to capture
[21:36:45] keith4: (for standard def)
[21:36:52] fryfrog: HD, satalite, OTA HD, analog cable, digital cable, etc
[21:37:09] kaje: digital cable for now, but possibly HD in the future
[21:37:09] mkrufky: pvr150 / pvr500 is no good for HD
[21:37:48] fryfrog: kaje: for digital cable, you have a couple choices
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[21:37:56] fryfrog: 1) rent a cable box with firewire, use that.
[21:38:19] fryfrog: 2) rent a cable box, buy a pvr150/500, capture over svideo (for best quality) or RCA
[21:38:45] fryfrog: 3) buy an HD ATSC/QAM tuner card like the hd5500/hd5000 (air2pc makes one, the other is uh... pchdtv?)
[21:38:54] kaje: I think my cable box has USB, but I have never used it before...
[21:39:01] fryfrog: only firewire works
[21:39:04] kaje: k
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[21:39:15] supaneko: Could someone please tell me where MythTV saves the files for the episodes it records?
[21:39:21] fryfrog: option 1 *tends* to get you the most channels (SD & HD too), but only if your cable co has firewire unlocked
[21:39:27] fryfrog: supaneko: where ever you told it to
[21:39:34] kaje: sounds like the pvr150/500 over SVideo is the simplest option
[21:39:48] fryfrog: 2 will get you the most channels, not the best quality, but no hastle with firewire working/not
[21:40:03] supaneko: fryfrog, well... Where do I find out where I told it to save?
[21:40:08] supaneko: I honestly don't recall it even asking me that.
[21:40:09] fryfrog: 3 is hard to do, only gets you *unencrypted* cable channels (usually the "major" networks and some other crap channels
[21:40:14] fryfrog: mythtv-setup I think?
[21:40:15] kaje: fryfrog: Is there an easy way of telling if my cable box has unlocked firewire?
[21:40:27] fryfrog: kaje: hook it up to a PC :)
[21:40:30] fryfrog: setup myth
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[21:40:47] kaje: so, do I even need a video capture card if that firewire is working?
[21:40:51] fryfrog: I *believe* that most cable companies only have firewire ports on their HD STBs
[21:40:54] fryfrog: nope
[21:41:00] kaje: wow, awesome
[21:41:01] daum: hmmm i think my mythtv(which i imported a database to) thinks my video card is recording...even though it isn't
[21:41:06] fryfrog: So I'd say, first get an HD cable box and try it with firewire
[21:41:07] daum: and it knows it exists as it is playing back through it
[21:41:18] daum: anyway to check to see what is going on with it?
[21:41:21] fryfrog: if that doesn't work, you can always add the pvr150
[21:41:26] fryfrog: and capture over svideo
[21:41:29] kaje: yeah, I will. Thanks so much for your help fry frog!
[21:41:55] fryfrog: np, good luck
[21:41:59] kaje: Also, is there any reason I should do a specific distro for Myth? I used to Ubuntu, but I know Fedora too
[21:42:03] fryfrog: firewire tends to be the toughest, but most rewarding :/
[21:42:12] fryfrog: Use the one you are most comfy with
[21:42:25] fryfrog: I've used Gentoo, currently use Ubuntu. There are excelent guides for Fedora as well
[21:42:46] kaje: Cool, thanks so much fry, this is all uncharted territory for me and I really appreciate the help
[21:42:59] daum: kaje, i'm on gentoo i like it
[21:43:04] mkrufky: fedora is probably the easiest setup, and j-rod wrote an excellent howto ... google "myth tv ology"
[21:43:27] fryfrog: I *personally* prefer deb over rpm, but now a days, who cares :)
[21:43:33] daum: fryfrog, any ideas on the mystery always recording tv card?
[21:44:07] fryfrog: daum: fire up mythtv-setup, go in and "delete all cards" then re-setup your card
[21:44:12] ** Slyboots eees, Myth is working! **
[21:44:13] fryfrog: be sure the backend is *down* when you do it
[21:44:19] Slyboots: Although I shoudl clean up the theme a bit
[21:45:14] daum: fryfrog, nope still getting hte same problem
[21:45:26] daum: in the database is there a place where it sets a flag to if the card is currently recording?
[21:45:41] daum: since i had to redo my computer and exported the database and just reimported it when i got back into linux
[21:46:32] fryfrog: if you *delete* *ALL* cards (not just the one), then don't add a new one...
[21:46:35] fryfrog: does it still show up?
[21:47:52] daum: let me see sec
[21:48:15] daum: got it!
[21:48:21] mkrufky: goodnight guys
[21:48:22] daum: had to fix a slight problem with read write permissions
[21:48:38] fryfrog: ah
[21:48:59] daum: fryfrog, now you want a tough one
[21:49:04] daum: the status box on the screen doesn't show anymore
[21:49:12] daum: like the blue box to show where you are in a recording if you fastfoward
[21:49:15] daum: or what channel you are on
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[22:04:03] Slyboots: Hm, My log is *flooded with the same line over and over..
[22:04:11] Slyboots: 2007-08–01 23:03:45.451 RingBuf(/home/mythtv/recordings/1002_20070801200000.mpg): Taking too long to be allowed to read..
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[22:08:29] Slyboots: Anyone any idea o.O
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[22:14:43] Slyboots: Anyone any idea, Tried google without much luck
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[22:17:16] s1m0n: hello, is there a porribility to turn off the live tv recording? my machine is very slow and watching tv is no fun with lags...
[22:17:34] Slyboots: It does not seem to have any negitive effect (That I can see) beyond filling up my log..
[22:17:45] Slyboots: s1m0n: Uh.. What would be the point of running myth at all then..
[22:17:53] Slyboots: If recording video lags the signal
[22:18:50] s1m0n: i'd like to use mythtv for watching tv not to record stuff, in fact the recordings don't lag
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[22:21:48] Dibblah: join ##electronics
[22:21:55] Dibblah: Doh :)
[22:22:20] Dibblah: Must get a keyboard that has >10cm range.
[22:22:46] clever: my master backend has crashed again
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[22:23:11] Slyboots: Nasty
[22:23:11] clever: its using alot of cpu and isnt responding to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 34 as fast as normal
[22:23:29] ** Slyboots is still trying to figure out why the heck is backend keeps writing to his laogfile that the Ringbuf is taking too long to read **
[22:23:34] Dibblah: clever: Which version?
[22:23:43] Dibblah: Slyboots: Commflagging?
[22:23:50] Slyboots: Uh.. I dont think its enabled
[22:24:00] Slyboots: I mean everything seems to *run* smoothly
[22:24:02] clever: Source code version  : 13874M
[22:24:02] clever: SVN branch  : trunk
[22:24:03] clever: Network Protocol Version: 34
[22:24:15] Slyboots: But its flooding the logs and wasting space + making real log-reading a pain in the ass
[22:24:29] clever: Slyboots grep -v is your friend
[22:24:32] Dibblah: Slyboots: In which case, preview generation.
[22:24:37] clever: cat log|grep -v HIDEME
[22:24:45] clever: that would hide all lines containing that
[22:24:49] Dibblah: clever: What's the patch?
[22:25:00] clever: Dibblah: patch?
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[22:25:31] Slyboots: Okay, Disabled Comflagging
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[22:26:06] Slyboots: Uh, Still getting it
[22:26:17] Dibblah: 13874 (M)
[22:26:20] clever: Dibblah: im guessing the M in the code version means modified and i have some some of my own changes to try and track the bug down ( http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . ketpatch.txt )
[22:26:22] Slyboots: Only now I get "[mpeg2video @ 0xb723b2e8]warning: first frame is no keyframe": as well
[22:26:23] Dibblah: Means modified.
[22:26:58] Slyboots: On top of "2007-08–01 23:26:13.061 RingBuf(/home/mythtv/recordings/1002_20070801200000.mpg): Taking too long to be allowed to read.."
[22:27:01] clever: Dibblah: all the patch does is increase the debug output(bug happened without it so i didnt cause the bug)
[22:27:01] Slyboots: :P
[22:27:04] Dibblah: clever: oprofile...
[22:27:17] clever: oprofile?
[22:27:23] Dibblah: oprofile.
[22:27:29] clever: ?
[22:27:43] Dibblah: Profiling tool – Tells you where in the code is most run.
[22:27:57] clever: ahhh
[22:28:09] Dibblah: Slyboots: Yes, we get it. No, we don't know the cause. ;)
[22:28:43] clever: Dibblah: installing...
[22:29:01] Slyboots: Well the error changed ;)
[22:29:24] clever: Dibblah: also i suspect the problem is a repeat of http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3739
[22:30:05] clever: mythbacke 5820 mythtv 27u IPv4 2573486 TCP 192.168.1.60:60003->192.168.1.60:6543 (ESTABLISHED)
[22:30:08] clever: mythbacke 5820 mythtv 29u IPv4 2573488 TCP 192.168.1.60:6543->192.168.1.60:60002 (ESTABLISHED)
[22:30:19] clever: mythbacke 5820 mythtv 30u IPv4 2573490 TCP 192.168.1.60:6543->192.168.1.60:60003 (ESTABLISHED)
[22:30:24] clever: it is indeed connected to itself AGAIN :P
[22:31:03] clever: Dibblah: i have to run mythbackend within oprofiler?
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[22:31:56] Dibblah: Connecting to itsself is normal, isn't it?
[22:32:07] clever: not from what i see
[22:32:12] Dibblah: Since the MBE is just treated like an SBE for some things...
[22:32:13] clever: it doesnt 'normaly' do that
[22:32:23] clever: also when i had -v socket,network on
[22:32:34] clever: i could see the same msg comming in and out the sockets
[22:32:45] clever: and it would just come right back in and get sent right back out
[22:32:56] clever: feedback
[22:33:24] Dibblah: It's not something silly like hostnames in the backend setup, is it?
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[22:33:41] clever: ?
[22:33:55] clever: the master backend is called theP4
[22:34:00] Dibblah: Everything in the backend is specified by IP, right?
[22:34:04] fryfrog: "There's only two things I can't stand in this world. Those who are intolerant of other people's cultures... and the Dutch."
[22:34:05] clever: and theres atleast 2 slave backends
[22:34:10] clever: yes everything is named by ip
[22:34:14] clever: and it works fine for days-weeks
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[22:34:26] clever: then all of a sudden 'crashes' and eats 100% cpu until i restart it
[22:34:29] Dibblah: clever: Very odd :(
[22:34:33] clever: i know
[22:34:39] Dibblah: ... Okay...
[22:34:58] Dibblah: Give me a few mins.
[22:35:37] Dibblah: There was a recent commit re preview generation.
[22:36:00] clever: when i strace it i get the same line over and over
[22:36:01] clever: write(16, "51 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]RECO"..., 59) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
[22:36:01] clever: write(16, "51 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]RECO"..., 59) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
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[22:36:33] Dibblah: clever: Full text?
[22:36:43] ** clever looks for the strace arg **
[22:36:58] clever: also the handshake on the mythtv protocol finaly finished
[22:36:59] clever: [01 17:22:34] OUT: MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 34
[22:36:59] clever: [01 17:30:46] IN: ACCEPT[]:[]34
[22:36:59] Dibblah: Can't remember – Sorry :)
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[22:37:02] clever: took 8mins
[22:37:18] Dibblah: Nice.
[22:37:26] clever: now to ann
[22:37:40] Dibblah: Is there a message in the log from that request?
[22:38:06] clever: the output is flooded with other errors
[22:38:08] clever: 2007-08–01 17:37:54.412 NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Ran out of free AUDIO buffers :-(
[22:38:12] clever: its also trying to record
[22:38:21] clever: and i cant stop it since i cant connect
[22:38:55] clever: lol and its trying to mythfilldb:P
[22:40:17] clever: [01 17:37:37] OUT: ANN Monitor acer 1
[22:40:17] clever: [01 17:39:36] IN: OK
[22:40:44] clever: 2007-08–01 17:39:36.020 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Monitor
[22:40:44] clever: 2007-08–01 17:39:36.021 adding: acer as a client (events: 1)
[22:41:04] clever: master backend did hear me connecting
[22:41:29] Dibblah: It wasn't a commit – It was a task :(
[22:41:54] clever: backend is sending data to me
[22:41:57] clever: it is half working
[22:42:09] clever: and if i had a 100ghz cpu it might appear to be acting normaly:P
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[22:42:30] Dibblah: I strongly suspect this is preview related.
[22:42:37] Dibblah: Do you have mythweb installed?
[22:42:44] clever: mythweb is installed
[22:42:57] clever: and gives an error atm because the handshake is taking too long
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[22:43:20] blackest: anyone run xbox myth-frontend ?
[22:43:20] clever: and 90% of the people in here claim the error means the mythweb version doesnt match the backend
[22:43:34] clever: even though i never upgraded either and it was working earlyer
[22:43:47] Dibblah: It may be possible to reproduce this by killing the BE, deleting all preview images then going to the recorded programs page.
[22:44:05] Dibblah: clever: That's the common reason, yes :)
[22:44:07] clever: so far i havent been able to reproduce it at all
[22:44:41] clever: also mythwelcome is running under valgrind atm under the same box as the master backend
[22:44:56] clever: 2007-08–01 17:43:54.482 autoexpire: Expiring Program: Expiring 217 MBytes for 1045 @ Wed Aug 1 17:00:00 2007 => How It's Made
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[22:45:01] clever: seems to be semi awake:P
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[22:45:36] daum: anyone have any idea why the blue box that shows you the channel you change to or if you r fast forwarding shows you where you are doesn't appear anymore
[22:45:56] clever: Dibblah: [01 17:45:11] IN: HEDULE_CHANGE[]:[]empty51 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]DONE_RECORDING 1 3175[]:[]empty51 BACKEND_ME
[22:46:11] clever: its flooding my script with data to the point where it sliped up and lost sync with the size msgs
[22:47:04] Dibblah: clever: Do you have EIT enabled?
[22:47:12] clever: dont think so
[22:47:22] Dibblah: What's your input source?
[22:47:25] clever: im using an external(digital) tuner and ir blaster
[22:47:39] Dibblah: Ah. Not that, then.
[22:47:53] Dibblah: Is it continual 'done recording's?
[22:48:06] clever: ?
[22:48:16] Dibblah: The message above.
[22:48:27] Dibblah: Are there more of them?
[22:49:10] clever: o crap:P
[22:49:20] clever: now that ive killed the cpu hogging valgrind
[22:49:26] clever: the master backend has speed up:P
[22:49:35] clever: flooding my mirc to the point where its slowing down
[22:49:40] ** clever kills the tcp connection **
[22:49:47] Dibblah: Nice :)
[22:50:02] clever: [01 17:49:43] IN: BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE[]:[]empty51 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]RECORDING_LIST_C
[22:50:02] clever: ...
[22:50:03] clever: [01 17:49:43] IN: E[]:[]empty69 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]COMMFLAG_START 1045 2007-08–01T16:00:00[]:[]empty45 BACK
[22:50:12] clever: pretty much the same thing
[22:50:16] clever: constantly flooding in
[22:50:28] clever: pc cant read it in and scroll fast enough
[22:51:05] clever: whoa massive drop in ram/swap usage too(from killing valgrind:P)
[22:51:30] clever: can oprofiler be attached to a running program?
[22:53:17] Dibblah: It's not a matter of "attaching".
[22:53:38] Dibblah: oprofile samples where the CPU is currently running at a set rate.
[22:53:41] Anduin: clever: It uses a kernel module to periodically see where tasks are.
[22:53:46] maek: if im using zap2it and I do a scan for channels, full scan how come it never lables the channels with there call sign? it just leaves them as adding channel ##? is there a trick?
[22:53:46] clever: ahhh
[22:54:03] clever: so i dont realy need to run it like valgrind(oprofiler mythbackedn) and wait for it to happen again
[22:54:13] clever: how would i make it moniter the mythbackend then?
[22:54:16] Anduin: maek: Why are you channel scanning?
[22:54:51] Anduin: clever: A quick oprofile guide will tell you, you can restrict it to a specific process
[22:55:12] clever: Anduin: got a link to the guide?
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[22:55:42] maek: Anduin: I just moved to a new state and I need the new channel info
[22:56:50] Anduin: maek: Sure, but why scan, if you are using DD it shouldn't be needed.
[22:57:22] Anduin: maek: The problem is that the channel names the scan introduces are given equal weight to say, channel names you assigned, and not overwritten.
[22:57:53] maek: Anduin: so I should just use the channel info from the guide setting?
[22:58:07] blackest: phew finally got an ole xbox linked wirelessly to my backend
[22:58:21] ** clever sits here while the backend eats up cpu waiting for a way to oprofile it **
[22:58:22] blackest: :D
[22:58:57] Anduin: maek: Yeah, assuming you have normal frequencies for channels it should just require picking the correct frequency table and things will match.
[22:59:30] Dibblah: clever: Look at the oprofile site.
[22:59:39] clever: Dibblah: google cant find it
[22:59:50] Anduin: clever: look for oprofile FAQ
[22:59:50] maek: Anduin: ok, thanks. as it sits now im using the us-cable and half the channels work and half are just static, if I use the hrc or irc they all work but are in black and white. let me tinker a bit. thanks for the help and information.
[23:01:04] clever: Anduin: /me trys to guess where that might be
[23:01:36] Dagmar: maek: Just letting the schedule data populate the channel list is FTW
[23:01:41] clever: [17355252.692000] mythbackend(5854): READ block 95365104 on hdb3
[23:01:48] clever: im also getting alot of that in dmesg
[23:02:12] Anduin: clever: Using google, fist link
[23:02:28] clever: http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&ct=res& . . . zFbT4wHltv9A
[23:02:34] clever: doesnt look like a oprofiler site
[23:02:39] clever: looks more like a dell site
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[23:02:46] Anduin: clever: then click Docs, read the Cheat Sheet
[23:02:57] Anduin: http://oprofile.sourceforge.net/docs/
[23:03:04] clever: finaly a usefull looking link:P
[23:04:33] clever: The specified file /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-28–386 does not seem to be valid
[23:04:57] maek: Dagmar: i see this now.
[23:04:59] clever: cant even start the profiler
[23:05:28] Dagmar: maek: By the way, if you decide to remove channels later, it's easiest to yank them from within MythWeb
[23:05:32] Anduin: clever: --no-vmlinux or something like that, cheat sheet
[23:05:48] clever: opcontrol --vmlinux=/path/to/vmlinux
[23:05:58] clever: from the cheat sheep
[23:06:01] Anduin: It may be easy with the channel editor as well, not that anyone ever uses it.
[23:06:13] clever: Anduin: cheat sheet told me to do what you just said not to do
[23:06:48] Anduin: clever: Yeah, I assumed what was there, I didn't actually read it.
[23:07:10] Anduin: clever: You are not profiling the kernel, it is ok, you can profile without a kernel image.
[23:07:27] clever: then --start it?
[23:08:47] daum: anyone have any idea why the blue box that shows you the channel you change to or if you r fast forwarding shows you where you are doesn't appear anymore
[23:09:11] clever: this is going nowhere...
[23:09:27] clever: NOTHING from that cheatsheet is working
[23:13:36] clever: ?
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[23:19:38] Slyboots: Hmm, I have a question that may be.. Dubiously legal ^^;
[23:19:41] Slyboots: Is that alright?
[23:20:00] Anduin: Slyboots: It is not
[23:20:12] Slyboots: Hm, Never mind then :D
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[23:22:04] SavageOne: howdie folks
[23:22:07] SavageOne: how goes the development
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[23:33:56] varun0: is it possible to have dvd ripped to a different location than the "Directory that holds videos" location?
[23:34:25] andyman53: Hey all
[23:34:29] andyman53: when i go to rip/transcode a dvd i go through the options, select what i want and hit 0
[23:34:39] andyman53: then it takes me back to "no jobs and nothing else to do" " you could hit 0 to rip a dvd"
[23:34:47] andyman53: and so on and so forth
[23:35:34] varun0: andyman53: is your dvd drive mounted?
[23:35:46] andyman53: Yeah. I can hit view and it will play.
[23:35:58] varun0: and mtd is running?
[23:36:03] andyman53: yep
[23:36:24] varun0: try running it as mtd -n to see if it prints anything out to the console
[23:36:30] andyman53: mtd -d is running
[23:36:32] NightMonkey: Hi all. I use a PVR-350 for TV output. I'm not having a deep problem with fonts, but I'd love to find a "better" set of fonts for the menus and the OSD. What fonts do you prefer?
[23:36:33] andyman53: is that ok?
[23:36:53] NightMonkey: Readability is key. ;)
[23:36:58] varun0: andyman53: wait.....so it takes you through all the options (quality, ac3 etc etc)?
[23:37:10] andyman53: yeah, i can select everything
[23:37:28] varun0: yea I'd say killall -mtd, and then mtd -n and see what it says
[23:37:35] varun0: sorry killall mtd, no -
[23:37:45] andyman53: http://pastebin.ca/642430
[23:38:27] varun0: is that it?
[23:38:32] andyman53: that's it.
[23:38:33] pat_: have you got the decss library installed?
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[23:38:42] andyman53: Not Sure. How can i check?
[23:38:58] andyman53: This is a functioning install of MythTV if that helps.
[23:39:07] pat_: (it won't be installed by default, if you haven't installed it, it won't be installed)
[23:39:14] andyman53: Then its not.
[23:39:22] pat_: but you can preview the dvd?
[23:39:23] varun0: andyman53: hm. I don't know if that error means anything
[23:39:24] andyman53: do you know the yum package name?
[23:39:42] andyman53: I've checked all over, apparently it doesn't. Just an quirk built into some source code.
[23:40:08] andyman53: I can preview the dvd. Yeah.
[23:40:20] pat_: well, it doesn't sound like decss then
[23:40:22] pat_: lemme check
[23:40:28] varun0: hm
[23:40:50] pat_: NightMonkey: the default ones work fine for me
[23:43:33] NightMonkey: pat_: Thanks. Yeah, I'm looking for non-default suggestions (or specifically what your distro has chosen for you).
[23:43:44] NightMonkey: (if you like what it chose)
[23:45:43] pat_: andyman53: sorry, I'm all out of ideas
[23:45:55] andyman53: Alright. Thanks Anyways.
[23:47:39] andyman53: This seems to be a pretty common problem.
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[23:50:26] andyman53: i was hoping mythtv could work because handbrake generates just random checkerbox patterns and dvd::rip gave me an error after 3 hrs
[23:51:53] pat_: you do have libdvdcss installed?
[23:52:02] pat_: just do a locate for dvdcss
[23:52:11] pat_: it should be there to decrypt the dvds
[23:52:51] andyman53: Yeah. It found a whole bunch of stuff
[23:52:56] andyman53: but nothing that looks like an exectable
[23:53:09] pat_: no, it is a library that other stuff uses
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