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Tuesday, July 31st, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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fryfrog:

My backend recorded an *8* hour show the other day, some Modern Marvels Viewers Choice thing

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fryfrog:

still only the size of 2 hours of HD :)

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burgandy:

Hi

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burgandy:

Anyone active?

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sambo357:

hey burgandy

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fryfrog:

nope, no one :)

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burgandy:

I need some box recommendations

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burgandy:

cheap, easy install :)

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fryfrog:

cardboard is the cheapest way to go

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fryfrog:

plastic is more sturdy and if you are shipping *big* stuff, a wooden crate perhaps!

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burgandy:

funny guy

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burgandy:

let me rephrase

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burgandy:

computer recommendations

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burgandy:

specs

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fryfrog:

oic!

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fryfrog:

HD or SD you plan to record/playback?

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fryfrog:

and you plan on having one system (fe/be combined) or 2+?

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burgandy:

SD

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burgandy:

one system

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fryfrog:

what is your recording source? analog cable? sat? ota? something from teh not-usa?

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burgandy:

analog cable

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fryfrog:

You should be able to get away with some pretty minimal hardware. I used to record from 4x PVR250s and do playback on an amd 1600+

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fryfrog:

with an old gf ti-4200

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fryfrog:

I'd go with PVR150/500 for sure though, worth it. Maybe use left over hardware for the rest.

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burgandy:

ok

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burgandy:

appreciate the hellp!

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fryfrog:

I built my first test myth system with a p2 300, 128mb of ram and a bttv (frame grabber) card. It *sucked* but it let me see wtf mythtv was :)\

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sambo357:

I was thinking of picking up one of those $300 walmart things or checking out priceline.com for the box. I don't want to to be the same as the one I use for other tasks. Do you (fryfrog) have a seperate box for mythtv? (ps – i'm with burgandy)

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fryfrog:

I have a "server" that does mythtv, nfs, samba, web server, ftp server. I have a remote FE that only does myth and is only on during tv watching times

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sambo357:

I'm not yet familiar with the components of mythtv – is FE some client software?

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fryfrog:

oh, sorry

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fryfrog:

frontend vs. backend

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sambo357:

thanks

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fryfrog:

the backend deals with the listings, scheduling, commflagging, recordings, tuners, etc

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fryfrog:

frontend is for playback, ui, etc

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fryfrog:

backend does the dirtywork basically

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fryfrog:

they can be on a different computer, 2 or 3 computers or the same one as the frontend

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fryfrog:

a backend can serve as many frontends as you want, etc, etc

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fryfrog:

well, to a reasonable extent at least based on your network and hardware :)

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J-e-f-f-A-2:

J-e-f-f-A

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sambo357:

so you run the be as a service that records and whatnot, then multiple fe's can pull from the be I suppose. So I could put the be-ware on my server and I suppose no extra hardware is required for the fe so all the other boxes could run it. Correct?

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varun_:

does anyone know where I can download the wmvvc1dmo codec/codec family?

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kormoc:

varun_, google

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varun_:

kormoc: tried, and failed :-(

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fryfrog:

sambo357: exactly

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fryfrog:

sambo357: You could build a *super* backend with say, 4 tuners and 10 hard drives (loud and obnoxious!) and stick it in your closet. Then, put some tiny systems next to 2 or 3 TVs and have the time of your life.

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fryfrog:

well, as long as you picture MythTV as the time of your life

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burgandy:

nice

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sambo357:

burgandy and I have got to get started on this.

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fryfrog:

hehe

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fryfrog:

from an mpeg2 encoder card, 1hr tends to be about 2G, so keep that in mind as you figure in storage

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sambo357:

space is cheap

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fryfrog:

quite :)

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sambo357:

ls

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sambo357:

oops

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cythrault:

hi, i was wondering if someone knew when multirec would be merged to trunk...?

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kormoc:

cythrault, when it's ready

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cythrault:

indeed

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cythrault:

well, thanks anyway

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|Torg|:

fryfrog you cant really run 4 cards in a box, one reason is space (not enough slots) other is backplane bandwidth

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|Torg|:

its not really cost effective anyway, just use a slave backend. Its how I do my dvb-s cards

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|Torg|:

besides distcc rocks :)

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fryfrog:

wtf?

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fryfrog:

I've run 4x PVR250s in one box with no problem

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fryfrog:

the .5mb/sec of *any* SD card isn't going to trouble any hard drive or pci backplane

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|Torg|:

ok, I do HD tho and the 4 cards running to the disk array put the system into so my system time (I assmed it was io) it was easier to simply put in anpother box

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fryfrog:

I've done 4x HD at the same time, and 4x 2.5mb/sec isn't much worse

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|Torg|:

then again I have spare hardware, mostly I need cases and motherbaords. so making another system wasnt exactly difficult

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fryfrog:

though it was maybe borderline

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fryfrog:

sorry, 2–3mb/sec for HD, probably

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keith__:

can someone explain the relationship between mythudprelay and mythtvosd to me?

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|Torg|:

besides I like having three system to compile on, I can get it down to about 15 mins for both mythtv and the plugins

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fryfrog:

in fact I *used* to do 2x HD via network and 2x HD via local

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fryfrog:

hehe

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fryfrog:

well, as an excuse to have many systems, now that is worth while

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|Torg|:

I just wish my soalris boxes would distcc as well

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fryfrog:

If I were building a *real* big mythtv infrastructure, I'd probably have 2–4 tuners in each backend, with 2–4 hard drives (1 per tuner) all slave backended

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fryfrog:

prolly 2 HD / box or 4 SD

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fryfrog:

I'd have probably 1 master and 1–3 slaves, depending on how many sources and simulatnious recordings i expect

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|Torg|:

I have a master BE, with a 2TB array running 2 ATSC cards, and a slave backend recording dvb-s HD via NTFS mount to that array

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fryfrog:

you mean NFS?

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fryfrog:

the "recording group" thing in svn head would make my array less spiffy

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|Torg|:

yes I mant NFS

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fryfrog:

I'd just give each a hard drive per tuner, that way it can serve files easily and record at the same time

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fryfrog:

though i dunno what happens when one fails, i spose it just takes that BE down and such

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|Torg|:

yes but I have a hardware disk array looks like one big disk to the OS

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fryfrog:

what does that have to do with anything?

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fryfrog:

it is still a raid array that has the advantages/disadvantages of it

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|Torg|:

I cant assign differnt pools unles I want to carve it into slices and mount those

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fryfrog:

oh, gotcha

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fryfrog:

i wouldn't use raid in the setup i describe

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|Torg|:

I was afrid when I made it about speed becae it dosnt do its own raid5, it uses the CPU to help compute them

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fryfrog:

mine does okay, i don't think i really hit the write limit (while doing recordings)

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|Torg|:

in the end speed wasnt even a issue to me the disks mostly need latency not bandwidth

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fryfrog:

but that is where recording groups come into happy play

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|Torg|:

so it dosnt seem to effect it much

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fryfrog:

yup, and that is why having recordings groups is so great

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fryfrog:

not that there is anything wrong with raid/nfs (it works fine for me)

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|Torg|:

as does mine, I origionaly thought that becuase I built it for size (5x500G SATA disks) that speed woudl suffer

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fryfrog:

6x320G here, ready to goto 8 if i go higher in disk usage :)

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|Torg|:

iof it does I dont notice it, they array dsont even come close to being overrun, even recording 4 tuners and watching 2 front ends at teh same time

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|Torg|:

id get more disks if I had bays for them :)

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|Torg|:

most of my master/salve and FE decisoins were based opon size of case

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fryfrog:

hehe

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kormoc:

usb drives for the win! (or lose...)

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fryfrog:

I have a sweet "server" case

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fryfrog:

It has 8 very well done drive bays and I mounted 2 drives in the 5.25" bays

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|Torg|:

yes kormoc if Id have to do it again I would probbaly get a external usb or firewire case

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TUplink2:

how can i make the network icons come up for the chanels?

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|Torg|:

the other thing I was worried about was heat, so I put the disks into drive trays. It helps case temp ALLOT

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fryfrog:

the case i have is designed oh so sweet

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kormoc:

Lian Li?

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|Torg|:

TUplink2 as in the netowrk logos, like on your listings?

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fryfrog:

4 drives are grouped together, with rubber isolation mounts and about 2–3mm between each drive. it is open in the front (with a grid) and in the back behind each cluster of 4 is a 120mm fan

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fryfrog:

no, uh... chenbro?

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TUplink2:

yea.... for like CBS and NBC and all

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kormoc:

I've been a huge fan of Lian Li over chenbro and others, just a little bit more care goes into them it seems

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fryfrog:

http://fryfrog.com/reviews/chenbro-sr10769/

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TUplink2:

what is network 2?

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fryfrog:

yeah, no question those lanlai cases are sweet

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fryfrog:

they are just kind of expensive, and very showey on the outside

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TUplink2:

that was stupid :P for like my tvguide

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|Torg|:

I used plain ol thermaltake matrix boxes, not exactly what Id call flashy

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|Torg|:

nad yes fryfrog I rememebr your case, I think we had this discussion back when I made the array last year

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fryfrog:

ahha

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|Torg|:

what I spciifcly didnt want was some gigantic case sitting in my office

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|Torg|:

hell I have a hard enough time as it is keeping the office cool

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fryfrog:

mmmmm <3 gigantic case :)

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TUplink2:

put that case in a closet WITH good ventalation

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my2keh:

ok wierd problem with mythweb..

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fryfrog:

actually, that case in the link is pretty modest, it isn't any *taller* than a normal case

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kormoc:

Mmm... 42u rack...

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my2keh:

I just changed my router to serve IP's off of 192.168.0.x

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fryfrog:

it is just maybe 1.5x times as long as a normal case

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my2keh:

and my mythtv is 192.168.0.98

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my2keh:

my router is 192.168.0.2

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fryfrog:

static dhcp ftw

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my2keh:

however, when I goto 192.168.0.2

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my2keh:

I get the mythweb

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fryfrog:

wtf, why is your router .2?

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my2keh:

instead of my router's web admin?

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fryfrog:

you sure it isn't .1?

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my2keh:

fryfrog>> because my VoIP ATA is .1

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fryfrog:

oic :)

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fryfrog:

cRaZY!

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my2keh:

:) it's just a one port joby, and pretty much just gives my linksys router it's IP

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kormoc:

my2keh, you set your router to port forward port 80 to the mythbox, no?

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|Torg|:

if your web server is respoding to 192.168.0.2 then you have an interface setup on that box as that

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my2keh:

hmmm

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my2keh:

I just changed /etc/network/interfaces

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|Torg|:

that or you have some strangly layer 2 switch in beteween caching arps and a nic that is ignoring ethernet frames

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|Torg|:

what does ifconfig tell you?

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my2keh:

inet addr:192.168.0.98

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fryfrog:

what did your old addresses used to be?

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my2keh:

inet addr:192.168.1.98

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|Torg|:

what box are you accessing the web browser from?

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my2keh:

and if I kill apache, neither 0.2 or .0.98 show up

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my2keh:

uhh my laptop

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** kormoc points out what he said above **

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|Torg|:

what os in on the laptop?

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my2keh:

kormoc>> umm I don't think so

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my2keh:

it was working before I did the switch if that helps any

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my2keh:

|Torg|>> XP

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kormoc:

reboot the laptop?

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my2keh:

let me get my wife to try on her's

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my2keh:

and I already did a reboot

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my2keh:

before

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|Torg|:

open a commad prompt and in the window type "arp -a" what does it tell you is 192.168.0.2 and .98?

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my2keh:

|Torg|>> from XP? or from the backend?

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my2keh:

192.168.0.2 00-13-10-05-09-d8 dynamic

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my2keh:

192.168.0.98 00–1a-92-38-e9–04 dynamic

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|Torg|:

both really

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my2keh:

that's from y laptop

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TUplink2:

any way apache is acting as a proxy?

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TUplink2:

can you ping

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my2keh:

mythtv@mythtv:~$ arp -a

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my2keh:

gives me nothing

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TUplink2:

ping 192.168.0.2

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|Torg|:

what is the mac address of your BE

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my2keh:

es, I can ping 0.2

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my2keh:

00:1A:92:38:E9:04 is my backend

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|Torg|:

on the command prompt type these things, most of it you wont see untill your done

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|Torg|:

telnet 192.168.0.98 80

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|Torg|:

GET / HTTP/1.0

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|Torg|:

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|Torg|:

when your done it should spit out an error really (about had HTrequest) its posible it will even give you the index

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my2keh:

uhh on my linux box...it doesn't work

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my2keh:

from my windows machine

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|Torg|:

you are interested int he first few lines wich should be the headder sent back by the web server

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my2keh:

it just gives me a blank window

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my2keh:

oh wait

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|Torg|:

yes when you type those it wont show what your typing, just enter the thrtee lines like I showed you

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my2keh:

I had to CTRL-Z

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|Torg|:

ctrl-x just suspends it

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|Torg|:

err z

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my2keh:

<hr>

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my2keh:

<address>Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/4

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my2keh:

.4.4–8 Server at mythtv Port 80</address>

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my2keh:

some of the output

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my2keh:

so I'm assuming i just telnet'd into the mythtv box

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|Torg|:

from the laptop?

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my2keh:

yes

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|Torg|:

now type http://192.168.0.98 into whatever browser your using, what does it give you?

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my2keh:

mythtv

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|Torg|:

ok do the same telnet to .2

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my2keh:

same

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my2keh:

even after doing an /etc/init.d/apache2 stop

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my2keh:

telnet gives me the same results!

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my2keh:

this is whacked

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kormoc:

power down everything, unplug it all, wait a hour, plug it all back in and start over

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my2keh:

hmm ok...I'll give that a whirl tonight

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my2keh:

before bed

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my2keh:

it's gotta be something cached

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fryfrog:

you sure you don't have a hidden, unknown mythbox on your network? :)

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my2keh:

fryfrog>> if I did, then I just configured this one for nothing!

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my2keh:

lol

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fryfrog:

ahhaha

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TUplink2:

kool i figured out the whole icon thing :P

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|Torg|:

my2keh, did the telnet to port 80 show the same thing?

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my2keh:

after what?

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TUplink2:

just had to find mkiconmap.pl

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TUplink2:

witch isnt in SVN anymore

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|Torg|:

telnet 192.168.0.2 80 then GET / HTTP/1.0 and two returns

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my2keh:

after doing an apache2 stop

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my2keh:

I can't telnet to either 0.2 or 0.98

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fryfrog:

Did you say if you are doing port forwarding on your router (.2)?

[01:34:33]

fryfrog:

and did you say you plug your router into your ATA?

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TUplink2:

my2keh can you ping them?

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my2keh:

fryfrog>> no I'm not

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my2keh:

fryfrog>> yes, router is plugged into ATA

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|Torg|:

my2keh you CAN telnet to them, on port 80 like I showed you before

[01:35:05]

my2keh:

yes, I can ping them

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TUplink2:

ok... so com is god betwen them

[01:35:20]

TUplink2:

good*

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Aval0n:

dagmar you there?

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|Torg|:

you are most likly running into either a config probelm in apache, only I cant see how, and a cache problem with your web browswer

[01:35:36]

my2keh:

C:\Documents and Settings\bjatkin\Desktop>telnet 192.168.0.2 80

[01:35:36]

my2keh:

Connecting To 192.168.0.2...Could not open connection to the host, on port 80: C

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my2keh:

onnect failed

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fryfrog:

So your setup is like this ascii chart: {Internets} <---> cable modem or dsl <---> ata thing <---> router <--- computers?

[01:35:41]

my2keh:

see, I can't heh

[01:35:56]

my2keh:

fryfrog>> yes

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my2keh:

|Torg|>> I stopped apache

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my2keh:

probably why I can't telnet anymore

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TUplink2:

my2keh what kind of ATA?

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fryfrog:

so to make even more questions, your "ata" is feeding your router's wan port?

[01:36:27]

my2keh:

TUplink2 uhh some linksys tihng

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|Torg|:

what device is 192.168.0.2?

[01:36:34]

my2keh:

fryfrog>> uhhh yes

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TUplink2:

yea i agree with fry.... i havent seen that....

[01:36:44]

my2keh:

|Torg|>> that's my linksys wireless router

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my2keh:

0.1 is my ATA

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Aval0n:

guys dagmar said earlier that it was next to impossible to record the HD channels, I thought it was possible....

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fryfrog:

okay, so if i am thinking right... you are double natting yourself?

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TUplink2:

my2keh. Linksys PAP2?

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|Torg|:

go reboot the router

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my2keh:

TUplink2>> not really sure?

[01:37:26]

my2keh:

|Torg|>> already did so

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TUplink2:

i dont think thats his prob

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TUplink2:

i think he has an IP conflict :P

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fryfrog:

my2keh: I think you're maybe having a poorly planned network, first of all. Not sure if it is causing the problem, but it could.

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my2keh:

fryfrog>> actually no planning went into it at all :P

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TUplink2:

moat network go.... internet --- router ---- devices including ATA

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|Torg|:

wait is it set up like fryfrog said?

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my2keh:

TUplink2>> so maybe change my ip of the linux box?

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TUplink2:

no....

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my2keh:

TUplink2>> my ISP says to put ATA first, as it does QoS

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TUplink2:

thats nt your prob its the router and the ATA

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fryfrog:

So your ATA thing, is it a combined firewall/router?

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fryfrog:

could you show us a link to your ATA product?

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my2keh:

fryfrog>>> uhhh who knows

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my2keh:

hmm lemme go get the product #

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fryfrog:

Does it have a web interface?

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|Torg|:

is that ATA thing for Voice Over IP, ie is it your phone?

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fryfrog:

if you *just* hook your PC up to it, doe sit give you an IP?

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my2keh:

should I try changing the IP of my myth box?

[01:39:24]

my2keh:

|Torg|>> Yes, it is VoIP

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fryfrog:

no, i doubt that'd help

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TUplink2:

my2keh...... "traceroutet www.google.com" what is the first hop and second should be 192.*.*.*

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|Torg|:

yes I know what that thing is

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my2keh:

and yes, ATA has a web interface

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Aval0n:

guys dagmar said earlier that it was next to impossible to record the HD channels, I thought it was possible....

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my2keh:

Aval0n>> I record HD?

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|Torg|:

take the ata, and put it as a device on the switch and or hub BEHIND the rotuer, and nothing else connected to it

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Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

I want to record the QAM256 shows

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|Torg|:

*IF* you can get into its web broswe see if it has a built in dhcp server and disable it

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Aval0n:

but he said i'de need a 4.052gzh proc

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kormoc:

Aval0n, unencrypted is easy

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TUplink2:

|Torg| thats another beast.... QoS

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kormoc:

Aval0n, he's on crack then, recording is easy

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fryfrog:

Well, so I think at least what is happening is first your ATA is natting everything (to 192.168.1.x) then your router is getting a 192.168.1.1 addy on the WAN port, then re-natting everything again

[01:40:34]

my2keh:

|Torg|>> it does have built in DHCP

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my2keh:

but I can't get to web interface

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Aval0n:

and it's lossless quality?

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fryfrog:

if he disables that, it'll screw up his internets

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TUplink2:

what is the ATA..... i need a modle

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kormoc:

Aval0n, uhh, that's the nature of digital ones, aye

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Aval0n:

I bought a kglobe 115 todfay

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my2keh:

brb!

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TUplink2:

its on the botom of the device

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fryfrog:

my2keh: here is what I would do...

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|Torg|:

what the ATA, no it cant act simply as a client without scewing with hid bandwidth

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fryfrog:

my2keh: hook the *output* of your ATA to the LAN ports on your router. Don't use the router as a router

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Aval0n:

fryfrog: I was going to run a kglobe 115 and a pvr 150 for a 2 tv setup

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TUplink2:

fry....

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Aval0n:

does that sound ok?

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fryfrog:

let the ATA do the routing / dhcp, turn your real "router" into a switch

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TUplink2:

he is on the internet....

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|Torg|:

I belive his router is also his modem

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TUplink2:

therefore gateway/router is working

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fryfrog:

can't be

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TUplink2:

need to know what his first HOP is

[01:42:04]

fryfrog:

TUplink2: i mean

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kormoc:

Aval0n, only real way to know is to try after all

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|Torg|:

my2keh is this DSL?

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Aval0n:

hmm

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my2keh:

cable

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my2keh:

SPA2102

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TUplink2:

see VoIP is a fine line with QoS

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|Torg|:

what is the rotuer conntected to?

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TUplink2:

ok.....

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TUplink2:

let me look it up

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Aval0n:

I heard there was a pre packaged myth customized for ubuntu is that correct?

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my2keh:

Router is connected to ATA

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kormoc:

Aval0n, mythbuntu or the like

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my2keh:

http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_ . . . 485656327B19

[01:43:10]

Aval0n:

or the like?

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kormoc:

Aval0n, and it's ubuntu customized for myth usage

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Aval0n:

oh really?

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|Torg|:

other end my2keh what is it connectd to?

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kormoc:

Aval0n, myth is just an application, nothing more

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CCFL_Man2:

linkshyt?

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TUplink2:

isnt a router so the ATA cant go first

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my2keh:

|Torg|>> router is connected via network cable to myth box

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CCFL_Man2:

linkshyt is crap

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|Torg|:

ok whats the ATA conntected to?

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my2keh:

ATA is connected to cable modem

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my2keh:

and to linksys wireless router

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CCFL_Man2:

i use a cisco ip phone instead of a crappy ata

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my2keh:

CCFL_Man2>> good for you

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my2keh:

CCFL_Man2>> now I can sleep at night knowing that

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TUplink2:

my2keh..... do this.... ower down everything.... wire it like so INET-(wan)Router(lan)-ATA/Comp

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CCFL_Man2:

my2keh: you have failed in the it world

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fryfrog:

my2keh: you could *also* probably wire it...

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kormoc:

CCFL_Man2, shut up. we don't deal with that sort of crap in here

[01:45:13]

TUplink2:

CCFL_Man2 Earth to you LINKSYS is a CISCO product

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my2keh:

CCFL_Man2>> thanks for confirming that!

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fryfrog:

(if you really want the QOS)

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|Torg|:

ok WHY do you have that router?

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CCFL_Man2:

kormoc: sorry

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my2keh:

TUplink2>> if I do that, my ISP will not guarantee QoS

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TUplink2:

the SPA2102 is just a PAP2 with a difrent shipset no router built in

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fryfrog:

Cable modem -> WAN port on ATA -> LAN port on ATA -> LAN port on "router"

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my2keh:

|Torg|>> I have my wireless router, for wireless? :)

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my2keh:

fryfrog>> yes, that's what I have

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TUplink2:

my2keh.... i have a q who is your ISP?

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|Torg|:

well here are some choices :

[01:46:16]

my2keh:

TUplink2>> www.vianet.ca

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fryfrog:

no, i think you said you have ATA -> WAN port on router

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|Torg|:

dump the otuer and get a plain ol wireless acess poing

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fryfrog:

i'm saying ATA to *LAN* port on router (use the router as switch)

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TUplink2:

ok that means nothing to me here in the US :P

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|Torg|:

dump teh ATA, geta a more relaiable voip solution

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CCFL_Man2:

TUplink2: cisco p[roducts have more stable and more reliable software

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TUplink2:

try this...

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my2keh:

TUplink2>> a local company, Not Vonage heh

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|Torg|:

or get a combind vip router product with wireless a sprt of super all in one thing

[01:46:50]

TUplink2:

CCFL im not arguing with you

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|Torg|:

or you can turn your router into bridge mode

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TUplink2:

my2Keh you have another hub/switch laying around

[01:47:16]

TUplink2:

?

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my2keh:

TUplink2>> nadda

[01:47:24]

my2keh:

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[01:47:28]

TUplink2:

hum....

[01:47:30]

my2keh:

too many questions

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my2keh:

lol

[01:47:37]

my2keh:

thanks for your help :)

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fryfrog:

poor guy :)

[01:47:39]

TUplink2:

ok this is going to sound stupid.....

[01:47:47]

TUplink2:

DHCP?

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TUplink2:

or static?

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fryfrog:

I'd just fuck around with it until you *aren't* being double natted :p

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my2keh:

my myth box is static

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CCFL_Man2:

my2keh: have all network components seperate, seperate switch, wap, ip phone, and router

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TUplink2:

no no no.... from ISP

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fryfrog:

Or maybe try and find one of those router/voip/wap all in one boxes (instead of having 2)

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my2keh:

ohh from ISP is dhcp

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TUplink2:

hum....

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my2keh:

fryfrog>> they provide ata box

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TUplink2:

this is a wierd way of doing it

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fryfrog:

my2keh: ah

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my2keh:

won't support anything but their shitzl

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TUplink2:

my2keh.... you have yahoo or aim?

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fryfrog:

the ISP doesn't care that they are doing something retarded

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|Torg|:

isp is probbly bootp not dhcp but that relly dosnt matter

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my2keh:

TUplink2>> MSN? eeek

[01:49:01]

TUplink2:

yea

[01:49:02]

CCFL_Man2:

my2keh: the dump them and go with a proper voip provider

[01:49:07]

my2keh:

fryfrog>> agreed heh

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TUplink2:

im me.... im not fighting with these people

[01:49:16]

TUplink2:

i have done this a few times

[01:49:20]

TUplink2:

tuplink@hotmail

[01:49:25]

TUplink2:

.com

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my2keh:

CCFL_Man2>> thye are the only game in town

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CCFL_Man2:

my2keh: ever hear of quantumvoice

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|Torg|:

my2keh id see if they have anyting besides the ATA, its going to cause you other issues fromt eh dubble nat

[01:49:52]

TUplink2:

i have a Voip server

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my2keh:

TUplink2>> k I added you

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CCFL_Man2:

there are many, i use quantumvoice

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my2keh:

|Torg|>> that's all they got, I tried already

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|Torg|:

it also does really strange things like rewite packet headders, its why I dumped mine a very long time agao

[01:50:30]

|Torg|:

but you COULD simply turn off NAT on your rotuer, its called bridge mode

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|Torg|:

if you cant you need to get one you can, or more exact simply get a wireless access point not a router with one built in

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TUplink2:

Torg..... most linksyses wont let you do that

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|Torg|:

TUplink2 thanks I use cisco routers so I really wouldnt know :)

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my2keh:

|Torg|>> but I still need DHCP on my wireless?

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CCFL_Man2:

|Torg|: i use a 1721 myself

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|Torg|:

my2keh need no, in fact it would make it more secure, of course every time you connect tho you would need to staticly assign and address

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|Torg|:

if really leave it there

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|Torg|:

in fact make it 192.168.1.0/24 and have a sectioned off netowrk

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CCFL_Man2:

|Torg|: most residential isps don't allow more than one ip

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my2keh:

only allowed one IP

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CCFL_Man2:

so you can't bridge

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|Torg|:

hes not bridign it

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|Torg|:

his ATA has one IP address and is natting, qos, and dhcping to the deives behind it

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my2keh:

|Torg|>> correct

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|Torg|:

in this case it will be a few computers and a wirless access point, via his linksys

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CCFL_Man2:

it's one of those shitty all in one units?

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|Torg|:

bridge the linksys, not the ata

[01:54:54]

|Torg|:

turn off routing on the linksys

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|Torg|:

his ATA is his VOIP adapter

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CCFL_Man2:

then why have the linksys?

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|Torg|:

he wants 802.11

[01:55:50]

CCFL_Man2:

and routing is done with what?

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my2keh:

yes, wirless

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|Torg|:

personlly id put the ATA as a clint and screw QoS, ill jusge my own

[01:56:13]

my2keh:

|Torg|>> I was having quality issues

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CCFL_Man2:

my2keh: you have vonage?

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my2keh:

I used to have it the other way around a while ago

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|Torg|:

the main issue is when you are downloading somehting it can effect your phone

[01:56:23]

my2keh:

CCFL_Man2 no

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CCFL_Man2:

what do you have?

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hads:

Um, what channel is this again?

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CCFL_Man2:

quantum voice is great $20 a month and no taxe

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my2keh:

|Torg|>> yes, my wife is a downloading machine

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my2keh:

hence the QoS

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CCFL_Man2:

my2keh: what voip provider do you have?

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|Torg|:

oh I fully understnad, but with that ATA in line with yoru netowkr your going to have all kinds of screwing ethernet problems

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hads:

Who cares, it has nothing to do with myth.

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|Torg|:

but hads is right it has nothing to do with mythweb

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my2keh:

CCFL_Man2>> a local place

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CCFL_Man2:

|Torg|: his router needs to do qos no matter where the ata is on the lan

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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|Torg|:

his ATA is doing it not the linksys

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CCFL_Man2:

or mythweather

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|Torg|:

and his ATA is rewitting packets, its how it does its QoS

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CCFL_Man2:

his ata is a combo router/switch/ata?

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|Torg|:

his ATA is a stiorght passthouh device

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|Torg|:

his linksys is behind it as a second nat

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CCFL_Man2:

his main problem is double natting

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|Torg|:

his problem is when he tryes to access the web browser on the linksys his myth box responds

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CCFL_Man2:

his ata doesn't passthrough, it's a combo router/ata

[02:02:48]

CCFL_Man2:

with qos on the ata

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CCFL_Man2:

the linksys will act as a wap/switch

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CCFL_Man2:

don't put the linksys in bridge mode, connect the lan port from the router/ata to one of the lan ports of the linksys

[02:04:32]

CCFL_Man2:

use whichever dhcp server you want, on the ata/router or linksys

[02:04:38]

CCFL_Man2:

problem solved

[02:04:50]

CCFL_Man2:

and you say you use cisco stuff?

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hads:

Take it to #random-voip-help

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my2keh:

brb!

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my2keh:

it's not a voip problem

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my2keh:

eeeks

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CCFL_Man2:

my2keh: do what i suggested

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hads:

my2keh: It's not a myth problem.

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antiPosix:

I'm sure the main topic in here is the disapearance of datadirect..? Is there going to be a newly formed service available for us for TV listings in US/Canada?

[02:07:20]

hads:

antiPosix: Read the topic.

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TUplink2:

CCFL thats what i told him to do

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antiPosix:

the "topic" is raraly the topic

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TUplink2:

he has poth ports on the router set to 192.168.0.0/24

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B5Duster:

Hey all – I'm trying to figure out a way of getting digital audio from my cable box into my mythbox for recording and live viewing

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B5Duster:

I'm using a PVR250 for SD encoding and will soon be using firewire for HD recording

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TUplink2:

his gateway is 192.168.0.1 and router is 0.2

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kormoc:

antiPosix, in this case, it is. Read it and enjoy

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B5Duster:

Are there any analog capture cards that have digital audio inputs so that the digital streams can be encoded by the mpeg encoder chip?

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CCFL_Man2:

TUplink2: that'll work

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B5Duster:

or has anyone otherwise gotten this to work somehow?

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antiPosix:

what is your audio source? I know you said its digital, but cabling, etc

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B5Duster:

antiPosix: RCA coax

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TUplink2:

basic netwroking/subneting would help him :P

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CCFL_Man2:

B5Duster: you can use a soundcasrd to input the source, one with digital inputs

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antiPosix:

B5Duster: I think you need a HDTV to demultiplex the audio out of the HDTV stream, I may be wrong

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CCFL_Man2:

TUplink2: or getting a proper voip provider and a proper network

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antiPosix:

HDTV capable capture card

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TUplink2:

um........ VoIP isnt the prob....

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mytookie:

ok plugging ATA OUT into WIRELESS LAN

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B5Duster:

CCFL_Man2: Yes but how do I get that audio encoded by the PVR250? The mpeg encoder is on-board

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mytookie:

didn't work

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mytookie:

heh

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CCFL_Man2:

antiPosix: no, his cable box outputs it directly

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TUplink2:

you can use any Voip... its all on how you get inet

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CCFL_Man2:

B5Duster: i thought you were using a cable box?

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TUplink2:

Voip is either h323 SIP or IAX

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B5Duster:

antiPosix: Yeah – the HD isn't the problem because I'm getting the digital audio already via the transport stream thru firewire

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mytookie:

any other ideas?

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CCFL_Man2:

TUplink2: in this case it is the problem because they restrict the hardware customers can use, do i hear a Ma'Bell?

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mytookie:

stupid MSN won't connect either

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mytookie:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

p

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B5Duster:

CCFL_Man2: I am – it's the SD that I wanted to encode the digital audio for. SD is outputted via s-video to the PVR card, digital audio is output via coax RCA

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mytookie:

fyi mytookie=my2keh

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TUplink2:

CCFL not true..... you can get any SIP ata and make it work

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CCFL_Man2:

B5Duster: input the digital audio to your soundcard if it has digital inputs

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TUplink2:

i have takes a Vonage ATA and atached it to my server and a AT&T Callvantage :P

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TUplink2:

just have to know the settings

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CCFL_Man2:

TUplink2: in his case the qos is non existant if his router/ata doesn't do routing and qos first

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TUplink2:

yea.... my router has QOS/Router..... but ISP has no QOS :P

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TUplink2:

still sucks

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mytookie:

hmm TUplink2>> now I can't even browse the web

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B5Duster:

CCFL_Man2: That's how I have it setup currently, but I haven't been able to figure out how to set that up in Myth – looks like I can only get the audio from the analog inputs on the PVR250 if I'm using that card as my input in myth

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mytookie:

lol

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TUplink2:

im kindof woried about him cause he isht back yet

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TUplink2:

:P

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mytookie:

TUplink2>> I am back

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CCFL_Man2:

TUplink2: right, your router does the qos

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mytookie:

mytookie = my2keh

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antiPosix:

mytookie: can you ping 208.67.222.222

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TUplink2:

changed S/n's "{

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TUplink2:

mytookie... msn me

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CCFL_Man2:

B5Duster: the digital input should be a file in /dev

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mytookie:

TUplink2>> I can't even browse the web or MSN

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B5Duster:

CCFL_Man2: and I was also under the impression that there is no way to sync the audio and video streams unless both streams come into the capture card itself... could be wrong

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TUplink2:

hum....

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TUplink2:

ok

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mytookie:

antiPosix>> yes, I can ping it

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TUplink2:

netstat -rn again and find 0.0.0.0

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CCFL_Man2:

B5Duster: they should be in syn

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B5Duster:

hmmm

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antiPosix:

mytookie: set it as your DNS server than

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mytookie:

0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.2 192.168.0.100 25

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CCFL_Man2:

antiPosix: opendns corrected "oeg" or "org" even though i set it not to

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TUplink2:

4.2.2.2and 4.2.2.3 is good DNS servers

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CCFL_Man2:

or = to

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CCFL_Man2:

TUplink2: they break every once and a while

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TUplink2:

i have never had a prob :P

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TUplink2:

in about 4 years

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CCFL_Man2:

i have, i mainly used 4.2.2.1

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CCFL_Man2:

so it goes to 4.2.2.2

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mytookie:

I think I have to reboot

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mytookie:

brb

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B5Duster:

CCFL_Man2: any advice on how to configure this? Perhaps symlinking the /dev node for the SPDIF in for my soundcard to whatever the analog input on my pvr250 is called?

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TUplink2:

route add default gw 192.168.0.1 do that mytookie

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CCFL_Man2:

since everyone uses them

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CCFL_Man2:

B5Duster: can't you choose a seperate audio source?

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kormoc:

B5Duster, the pvr cards output a mpeg with audio embedded, there is no separate audio device.

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CCFL_Man2:

oh wait, no you can't

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CCFL_Man2:

kormoc is right

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B5Duster:

:)

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B5Duster:

there inlies my quandry

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CCFL_Man2:

i forgot the pvr250 encodes mpeg2 from analog

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TUplink2:

mytookie it would help if you had a static ip on you comp.... wiht 192.168.0.1 as the gateway

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CCFL_Man2:

i was thinking it was just a d/a card and you'd have a video and audio device

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B5Duster:

yip – I pretty much resolved myself to getting a different cap card

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CCFL_Man2:

B5Duster: your cable service all digital?

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B5Duster:

yeah I need a hw encoder board because the system has a via epia mobo = slow CPU

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B5Duster:

CCFL_Man2: yes

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B5Duster:

problem is I can only get HD thru firewire

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CCFL_Man2:

i'd bitch to your cable company to output SD via firewire

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B5Duster:

at least that's what I've read – don't have the box yet

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CCFL_Man2:

say if they don't do it you'll file a complaint with the fcc

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B5Duster:

I wonder how well that'll go :)

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B5Duster:

well I know they have to have an active firewire port according to the FCC's mandate, but I'm not sure it goes any further than that

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CCFL_Man2:

tell them you want everything output via firewire

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CCFL_Man2:

it does

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CCFL_Man2:

you have crapcast?

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mytookie:

back!

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mytookie:

damn reboot took forever

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B5Duster:

hm – didn't know that. I wonder if that is a hardware limitation or whether they can just "flip a switch" and give me all broadcast thru firewire

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my2keh:

there we go!

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B5Duster:

CCFL_Man2: You guessed it :)

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CCFL_Man2:

B5Duster: they just need to provision it

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CCFL_Man2:

B5Duster: rip crapcast a new asshole, threaten fcc complaints

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my2keh:

so ATA OUT to router LAN

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my2keh:

doesn't work

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CCFL_Man2:

my2keh: turn off the dhcp server on the linksys

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B5Duster:

hrm – I shall do my damndest

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CCFL_Man2:

B5Duster: as far as i'm concerned crapcast can go to hell

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CCFL_Man2:

B5Duster: very good

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CCFL_Man2:

you pwn them

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CCFL_Man2:

everything should be output via firewire

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CCFL_Man2:

don't let them fool you about encrypted shit

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CCFL_Man2:

all of it should be on

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TUplink2:

CrapCast SUCKS

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TUplink2:

i beter keep quiet im on it now :(

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B5Duster:

I've also got the "You lose your $120 month when I go to DirecTV" bargaining chip

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my2keh:

CCFL_Man2>> I can't get to the linksys!

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CCFL_Man2:

TUplink2: you can say that again

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kormoc:

CCFL_Man2, the only things comcast needs to legally output unencrypted over firewire is the OTA channels. Nothing more.

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CCFL_Man2:

kormoc: oh yeah

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TUplink2:

CCFL..... make the gateway 0.1 and put the ATA to LAN on router....

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CCFL_Man2:

TUplink2: his ata is an ata/router

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CCFL_Man2:

B5Duster: directv cost much less than that

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TUplink2:

yup.... i belive so

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CCFL_Man2:

B5Duster: dump crapcast, get adsl and directv and say f u to crapcast

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kormoc:

TUplink2, you likely lose out on any QOS the ATA does for his VoIP if you do that

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TUplink2:

if its going threw the ATA it has to be

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TUplink2:

0.1 is the ATA

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CCFL_Man2:

B5Duster: but here lies the problem, there is no way to get directv into myth digitally

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B5Duster:

CCFL_Man2: I was considering it. I've heard the 5c encryption is not used by sat providers

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kormoc:

B5Duster, they do, or other encryption. it's not free to grab

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B5Duster:

they don't use firewire on their boxes?

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kormoc:

no

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B5Duster:

oh poo :(

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kormoc:

and they're not legally required to

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GreyFoxx:

I've never seen a sat box that did

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CCFL_Man2:

B5Duster: nope, no firewire

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** GreyFoxx decides to go on a hunt for a new htpc case for his new frontend **

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mytookie:

hmmm

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CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: you still use s100 firmware on your msntv2?

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B5Duster:

all I want to do is record battlestar and planet earth in HD

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GreyFoxx:

CCF" I've never used it

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B5Duster:

they have to make it so goddamn hard

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GreyFoxx:

I'm only using the built in msntv stuff

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GreyFoxx:

well, ,with the mod to boot linux that is

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B5Duster:

dirtbag digital providers

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CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: and the intel framebuffer?

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CCFL_Man2:

B5Duster: exactly, the only hope is the big ugly dish

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GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man2: Using the IEGD driver to get accelerated hward assistance

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GreyFoxx:

B5Duster: Yeah, if your provider is not very enlightened they can be a pain

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** GreyFoxx hugs his **

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** GreyFoxx blows them sweet cyber kisses **

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CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: you wrote some sort of interfacing software to use those drivers with modified msntv2 bios?

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B5Duster:

GreyFoxx: Who do you have? Some small backwoods cable provider?

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GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man2: I wrote an app to reprogram the GPU and tvencoder directly

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GreyFoxx:

B5Duster: No, they are very large actually, just not american :)

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GreyFoxx:

I get all SD regular cable channels digitally unencrypted so I can get them witha QAM tuner, and firewire on their boxes is enabled for ALL channels

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GreyFoxx:

including hd

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B5Duster:

heh – that's the key – move out of this country! Check.

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CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: but the s100 firmware works on the msntv2 without any issues? i remember you saying that

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GreyFoxx:

they intentionally turn it on and make sure it on

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GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man2: Others have used it

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kormoc:

B5Duster, or to Seattle. Comcast in seattle has full firewire outputs other then VH1

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GreyFoxx:

Mine works so I have no need to rush reflashing them

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CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: and you nfs boot the rootfs?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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B5Duster:

kormoc: Rain burns my skin – that wouldn't work out so well for me

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CCFL_Man2:

you suggest that over a 1gb compact flash?

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GreyFoxx:

the cf cards have the kernel and a cmdline file for the commandline to pass to the kernel, nothing else

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GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man2: I don't see a good reason to do it on the flash when it's trivial to nfsroot it

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GreyFoxx:

no need to buy a bigger cf card

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CCFL_Man2:

i'm going to use the s100 firmware though

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CCFL_Man2:

hmm..

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B5Duster:

I think I'm going to have to gather up all of my equipment and cables when my sweet plasma screen shows up Thursday and figure out a gameplan

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JMartinC:

does MythTV Work good on USB Disk? w/Hardware Encoder TV Card Hauppauge.. what's the real USB Speed? I supposed it's slower than SATA.

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm these hiper cases look nice

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kormoc:

JMartinC, google

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JMartinC:

;-)

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CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: with the s100 firmware the IEGD drivers work fine with the tv encoders?

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GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man2: Honestly I don't know

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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GreyFoxx:

someone said it did, but I don't know how accurate that person is/was :)

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B5Duster:

worst case I'll just forgo HD recording for everything but OTA channels and rig something up to watch the others live straight thru to the screen.

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CCFL_Man2:

i guess i can nfsrooot the msntv2

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CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: ahh, lol

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** GreyFoxx giggles as he orders his projector on the next pay day **

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B5Duster:

If I had a large room that I could devote to a theater I'd grab a projector

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CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: i think nfsroot is the best method for multiple msntvs

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GreyFoxx:

B5Duster: I'm getting one for our main family room

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Tanthrix:

You're both wrong. LCDs ftw.

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Tanthrix:

;)

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CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: crt tvs ftw

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GreyFoxx:

pfft :)

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kormoc:

projector == lcd with a really really bright backlight...

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hads:

heh

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CCFL_Man2:

crt projectors are just evil :P

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B5Duster:

I considered one but the resolution I'd want would be cost prohibitive

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kormoc:

2160p!

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Tanthrix:

B5Duster: And you went with a plasma?

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B5Duster:

not that plasmas aren't I suppose

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CCFL_Man2:

vintage projection sets use an 80kV anode!

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Loto:

projector needs more space, near blackout windows for daytime

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kormoc:

Loto, wet tinfoil seals windows really well and comes off easily enough

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** GreyFoxx has plenty of room and easy light controls **

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Tanthrix:

Most plasma sets look practically SD to me, can't stand them personally. I am at a loss for how popular they are

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, cheap

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B5Duster:

kormoc: Learn that trick from your meth lab days? :)

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kormoc:

B5Duster, you act like those days are over! :P

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: I don't know about that...I found the prices to be pretty comparable

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Loto:

heh, yeah plus it looks like a grow op

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CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: and lcd offers better viewing?

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B5Duster:

haha

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, for awhile, they were a lot cheaper, now it's not too much difference, but it took awhile for lcds to drop

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Tanthrix:

Indeed.

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CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: the best picture is crt

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kormoc:

CCFL_Man2, lcd's don't burn in, and I feel look better

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Loto:

cant wait for high contrast displays

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Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: Most definately that LCDs look better to me than plasma. CRT still wins, unfortunately though.

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CCFL_Man2:

kormoc: no, they don't burn in

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** kormoc sheds a tear at his work's burned in plasma **

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B5Duster:

well, they /can/

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CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: if i get anhdtv it'll be crt

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Tanthrix:

I mean, 1024x768 for a 42 inch screen is absolute junk.

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kormoc:

3 months till it burned in

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CCFL_Man2:

despite how heavy they are

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, unless you're a mile away

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Loto:

as if CCFL, only if you want to top out at 32"

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B5Duster:

kormoc: no screensaver/auto-off?

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Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: Meh, they are still more prone to random dying and other issues with age. If you really can't stand the contrast levels of todays LCDs you'd be better off waiting

[02:49:26]

CCFL_Man2:

Loto: for standard definition no bigger than 21" will give you your best picture

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kormoc:

B5Duster, had one, set to 5 minutes, but enough time was spent in the menus that it burned in anyway

[02:49:38]

hads:

That's one thing that I've noticed, less LCDs over here seem to support DPMS unfortunately.

[02:49:53]

Aval0n:

anyone here using mythbuntu>

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CCFL_Man2:

kormoc: you had bad luck

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B5Duster:

kormoc: ouch!

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Loto:

CCFL : in todays market should you really be optimising your SDTV viewing?

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Loto:

if so, dont bother buying a new tv

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Aval0n:

when you run myth, can you still minimize and get to Xwindows?

[02:50:36]

CCFL_Man2:

Loto: yes, because there is no worthwhile content in hd except discovery hd

[02:50:49]

Tanthrix:

I'm extremely happy with my Aquos. Ghosting is essentially gone, so the only thing for them to work on now is increasing contrast levels.

[02:51:09]

CCFL_Man2:

aquose isn't bad

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Loto:

content is subjective, I find lots

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Aval0n:

I like watching the news and stuff like house in HD

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CCFL_Man2:

Loto: like what?

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Loto:

lots of dramas on tv, hd movies

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Loto:

sports

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CCFL_Man2:

sprts. ahh

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Aval0n:

the local chans are all I care about in HD anyway

[02:52:01]

Aval0n:

so QAM works just fine for me

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Loto:

all major tv dramas are HD now

[02:52:22]

B5Duster:

I picked up a Hitachi 50" with bizarro 1080 (1280x1080)

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CCFL_Man2:

Aval0n: there hasn't been one modern drama on local networks that is worth watching, the only one i'm looking forward to is caveman

[02:52:57]

Aval0n:

house?

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B5Duster:

it was much cheaper than the true 1080p sets

[02:53:04]

Aval0n:

house is awesome

[02:53:08]

Aval0n:

lost

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Aval0n:

heros

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CCFL_Man2:

they are so fake

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Aval0n:

several very worth while things

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Aval0n:

well they are fiction

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CCFL_Man2:

i want to see cavemen

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Aval0n:

not biography

[02:53:41]

Aval0n:

<Shrug>

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Aval0n:

;)

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CCFL_Man2:

heh

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Loto:

not a movie watcher?

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CCFL_Man2:

the csis are so fake it's pathetic, but the drama on screen is what people like i guess

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CCFL_Man2:

i don't like most new movies

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Loto:

your just picky ;)

[02:55:15]

CCFL_Man2:

i do like the bourne movies, i'm downloading an h264 ts of bourne supremecy right now

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kormoc:

I like CSI:Vegas, House, Scrubs, Heros...

[02:55:18]

CCFL_Man2:

well, yes

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CCFL_Man2:

i watch only the discovery, science, and history channel

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kormoc:

CCFL_Man2, Talking bout illegally downloading of content is a ban-able offense.

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CCFL_Man2:

kormoc: how do you know it's not through my iptv provider

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kormoc:

CCFL_Man2, I don't. I didn't ban you did I?

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B5Duster:

:)

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CCFL_Man2:

nope, you never banned me

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CCFL_Man2:

i'll need to find an h264 codec now

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Aval0n:

anyone here using mythbuntu?

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varun_:

when I try and play a wmv file, I get a message saying "Requested video codec family [wmvvc1dmo] (vfm=dmo) not available., Enable it at compilation". Does anyone know what switch I have to give ./configure for it to compile it wmv vc1 support?

[04:46:57]

CBiLL:

Anyone know if the Closed Caption issue had be resolved on PVR500? I had Mythtv before until I had to move and now I want to set one up again using PVR500 but remembered years ago folks were having issue to get closed caption working on those tuner card

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kormoc:

CBiLL, check out the ivtv driver pages

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CBiLL:

or is there a better dual tuner card that work nicely with mythtv and have excellent closed caption support?

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kormoc:

varun_, what player?

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CBiLL:

I did check it out and couldn't find any information

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varun_:

kormoc: wow that was stupid of me. it's mplayer, sorry

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CBiLL:

this is the correct page? http://ivtvdriver.org

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CBiLL:

I was hoping to find someone with experience both closed captioning and pvr500 tuner card here =P

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tank-man:

CBiLL, i have a pvr250 and CC works for me

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CBiLL:

it 1 tuner right tank-man?

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tank-man:

yes

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tank-man:

it uses the same driver as the pvr500

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CBiLL:

the card I used last time was Wintv and cc works great

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CBiLL:

yes I know the ivtv

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CBiLL:

but I have read on forums folks couldn't get CC working on ivtv drivers on 150 and 500 but works fine on 250 and 350

[04:51:39]

CBiLL:

in the past

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varun_:

kormoc: any idea?

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CBiLL:

so wondered if they fixed the issue for 150 and 500

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CBiLL:

I might go with 250 or 350 instead .. I am reading that 500 have a more grainy picture over the 250/350

[04:52:57]

CBiLL:

and get 2 of the 250 tuner card but I am trying to keep my htpc small as possible

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CBiLL:

tank-man : what distro are you using? gentoo? ubuntu?

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tank-man:

slackware

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GreyFoxx:

CC works on the 150 and I believe the 500's now as well

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CBiLL:

cool

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CBiLL:

500 still in market or it been discounted?

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GreyFoxx:

Still for sale as far as I know

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GreyFoxx:

never heard anyone say otherwis

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CBiLL:

can't seem to find the 500 other than Ebays

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kormoc:

newegg has them, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116628

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kormoc:

as does a few hundred other sites, http://www.google.com/products?q=pvr+500& . . . rch+Products

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CBiLL:

wow I was just on newegg and didn't see it listed .. thanks

[05:06:18]

CBiLL:

ah needed a dash

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CBiLL:

was looking under PVR500

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kormoc:

I used a space

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CBiLL:

thank you again

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varun_:

does anyone know how to compile wmvvc1dmo support into mplayer?

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kormoc:

might want to try #mplayer

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RyeBrye:

nobody knows

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RyeBrye:

it's a mystery

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varun_:

RyeBrye: well that makes me feel a lot better about myself :-)

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RyeBrye:

actually, I was mostly being a smart ass – but I do know that compiling codecs into mplayer isn't that easy

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RyeBrye:

You can add a ton of binary codecs to it

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RyeBrye:

you just give it a dir full of them

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RyeBrye:

that's how I got mplayer to play back rmv files

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varun_:

RyeBrye: I don't know where to get the binary codec from :-\ I download the "essentials" package from the website, and gave it that directory during configure-ing, but that didn't seem to work

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RyeBrye:

hm

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RyeBrye:

yeah, it was a major pita

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RyeBrye:

I had to go to about 5 different sites to get instructions – but I was looking to get rmv working, not wmv

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varun_:

RyeBrye: do you remember where you downloaded the binary codec from?

[05:39:11]

RyeBrye:

Hmmm... it was a while ago

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RyeBrye:

let me see

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RyeBrye:

http://www.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/ I think it was there

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varun_:

yea I downloaded that

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RyeBrye:

http://ubuntuos.wordpress.com/2006/08/01/howt . . . v-in-ubuntu/ that has some instructions for ubuntu

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varun_:

actually there are a few in there that I haven't downloaded.......going to try the brute force approach :-D

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varun_:

I'm beginning to wonder if it's because I have a 64-bit install

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RyeBrye:

yeah, that's likely

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RyeBrye:

I would suspect that too

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RyeBrye:

64 bit is an easy scapegoat at least :)

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varun_:

LOL

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varun_:

I really wish I hadn't done a 64-bit install

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RyeBrye:

looks like there is a set of amd64 bit codecs

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kormoc:

I use a 32 bit mplayer on my 64 bit install

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kormoc:

things work well that way

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varun_:

yea just "essential"

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RyeBrye:

oh

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varun_:

kormoc: hm....how do I compile mplayer for 32bit?

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kormoc:

depends on the distro and how it's libs are layed out

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RyeBrye:

you've got to open your computer up, and push against half of the pins on your cpu with a pencil ;)

[05:45:48]

RyeBrye:

at the same time as you hit make on the keyboard

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kormoc:

I'm sure google knows for your specific distro

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varun_:

RyeBrye: but I have a socket 939 :( I can't do half!

[05:46:42]

RyeBrye:

oh, then you're out of luck

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RyeBrye:

;)

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varun_:

lol

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RyeBrye:

Anyone here have a UIQ3 phone?

[05:47:40]

RyeBrye:

I'm going ot get a Sony Ericson P990 and wondered if anyone would be interested in working on some kind of myth related projects for it...

[05:47:58]

RyeBrye:

like streaming 3gp video to the phone over wifi or something

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Tanthrix:

varun_: Just grab the source, run the configure script, make sure it detects and enables everything you want (by installing appropriate libs) then make and make install

[06:06:52]

Tanthrix:

varun_: Might be a good idea to grab the win32 codec pac and extract it to the necessary spot beforehand for doing that sort of stuff if you need it

[06:08:58]

varun_:

Tanthrix: so I'll need to download 32-bit versions of all the libs?

[06:12:35]

varun_:

what's really throwing me off is that when I do mplayer -vc help, the output says "wmvvc1dmo dmo working Windows Media Video (VC-1) Advanced Profile Decoder [wvc1dmod.dll]"......but when I try and play a wmv file it says "wmvvc1dmo dmo working Windows Media Video (VC-1) Advanced Profile Decoder [wvc1dmod.dll]"

[06:13:33]

varun_:

er that last message in quotes should have been "Requested video codec family [wmvvc1dmo] (vfm=dmo) not available. Enable it at compilation."

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Tanthrix:

varun_: Oh, didn't realize you were on a 64 bit system. In that case, I haven't the slightest clue what you should do. Why the hell did you install at 64 bit system? ;)

[06:16:31]

varun_:

Tanthrix: <sigh> 42?

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varun_:

Tanthrix: when I find the answer to your question, I'm sure I'll attain some form of nirvana

[06:17:10]

Tanthrix:

hehe

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varun_:

do you know if wmvvc1dmo is a win32 codec?

[06:17:58]

Tanthrix:

Aye – VC1 is the windows media HD format

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Dagmar:

varun_: Why would you think it _wasn't_ a 32-bit lib?

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Tanthrix:

Well, it's anything really, but it's also what's used on some HD-DVDs and such

[06:18:42]

varun_:

Dagmar: because I'm a fool and all I have left is hope?

[06:18:53]

Dagmar:

We don't deal in hope here.

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varun_:

Dagmar: I suppose I could have phrased my question better. What I meant was if it was part of the w32codecs package

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Tanthrix:

varun_: It is probably is part of the win32 codec pack, which I think you might need installed before compiling to use, but I'm not certain about that.

[06:19:32]

kormoc:

nah, it can be there after the fact

[06:19:37]

kormoc:

but you need 32 bit mplayer to use them

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Dagmar:

varun_: YOU are the one who would know if it was part of a particular package. It's your file.

[06:20:08]

Krazylegz:

kormoc: Go to bed.

[06:20:52]

varun_:

Dagmar: I don't have the file. I could have downloaded it, unzipped it and looked.........but I figured it was worth a shot seeing if anyone knew off the top of their head

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kormoc:

Krazylegz, after you

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Krazylegz:

You can't tell me what to do.

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kormoc:

Krazylegz, sure I can. I just did

[06:22:08]

Krazylegz:

Well...you can't *mean* it.

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kormoc:

Lies... Lies I say!

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mchou:

ok, where does one disable the static thumbnail generation for recordings in myth?

[06:37:42]

mchou:

am I just missing it?

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Dagmar:

I wasn't aware it was something you could turn off

[07:01:32]

Dagmar:

I mean, once they've been generated, they're kinda static by definition.

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Dagmar:

juice: I've not seen any configure scripts that actually heed that. It's definitely not a standard option

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mchou:

damn computer case

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mchou:

putting the magnetic speaker right next to the drives is a stroke of genius

[07:22:13]

mchou:

fscking brilliant

[07:23:07]

mchou:

If I wanted my computer to generate electricity that's the ticket

[07:33:35]

Dagmar:

Dude, the speaker is nowhere near strong enough to affect your drives

[07:34:07]

Dagmar:

You really don't have to worry about that

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Tanthrix:

Can't you practically put a hard drive magnet (recovered from another drive) on a working drive without issues?

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Tanthrix:

Where hard drive magnet == internationally known standard for measurement of magnatism for your average geek who has taken apart their fair share of drives for magnet collecting

[07:42:22]

Dagmar:

Hell, you can use a bulk degausser from Radio Shack and just tape the switch down, sitting atop the drive, and it won't affect a thing

[07:43:56]

Tanthrix:

Man those things are fun.

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Dibblah:

Hmmm... Who was it that bought the Nova T500?

[08:45:22]

Dibblah:

gbee, maybe?

[08:45:33]

Dibblah:

Appears it's now been fixed, anyway.

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juski:

Dibblah: fixed fixed fixed, or just 'fixed' ? I mean – no more pesky disconnects?

[09:14:57]

Dibblah:

No more disconnects.

[09:15:12]

juski:

nice :D

[09:15:20]

Dibblah:

Look at the DVB mailing list for details, or check out current...

[09:15:41]

blackest:

hi

[09:15:48]

juski:

did Hauppauge have a hand in the fix?

[09:16:28]

blackest:

anyone got a router with alternative firmware ? I was wondering what anyone prefered and why

[09:17:36]

juski:

wow that's very mythtv-related ;)

[09:20:02]

blackest:

well it is if someones going hforleather ptp and your trying to stream from myth your gonna get glitching

[09:20:29]

juski:

ah. well serves you right for allowing p2p on your home network

[09:20:40]

juski:

and for using wireless in the 1st place :-P

[09:20:42]

blackest:

so being able to prioritise traffic is quite myth related :)

[09:21:01]

hads:

At a stretch

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juski:

just kill the p2p ports. it'll save the mpaa coming knocking at your door

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hads:

World police?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

juski: you don't always have a choice though..I'm on a dorm network for example =P

[09:23:01]

hads:

Then you don't control the point you need to to prioritse traffic.

[09:23:02]

juski:

RaYmAn-Bx: so don't share your connection. if your own gear is being used, it'll be you they come to first

[09:23:32]

RaYmAn-Bx:

hads: good point (although, I do, but that's another matter..everyone else doesn't)

[09:24:00]

RaYmAn-Bx:

juski: it's shared though. Everyone is behind a single NAT server/router.

[09:24:12]

blackest:

actually setting an ip blocklist at the router level could be quite useful

[09:24:23]

RaYmAn-Bx:

but yeah..point was prioritizing so yeah, that's kind of impossible

[09:24:56]

Dibblah:

juski: I believe that there was support from the chipset manufacturer.

[09:25:21]

juski:

Dibblah: figured there'd have to be that kind of involvement – that's cool! :D about blimmin time too

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juski:

when I upgrade my production system to 0.21 or 0.20.2 (whichever happens first) I might get a nova-t 500. 4 tuners would be handy

[09:27:12]

Dibblah:

juski: Found a replacement for your EPIA :)

[09:27:21]

juski:

Dibblah: rly?

[09:27:52]

juski:

I'd still like to find out which is at fault – mythtv or minimyth's bleeding edge X

[09:28:07]

hads:

juski: What fault?

[09:28:09]

juski:

I mean cpu usage during the crappy playback is 25% ffs

[09:28:34]

juski:

gap py playback of recordings f rom BBC c hannels

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Dibblah:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . 276&rd=1

[09:29:03]

Dibblah:

That + Core 2 Duo + RAM... All from the same seller.

[09:29:07]

Dibblah:

T5500.

[09:29:08]

juski:

woo.

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hads:

juski: I see. Bummer.

[09:29:29]

Dibblah:

woo? 40w without speedstep.

[09:29:41]

Dibblah:

dual core. £130 ish...

[09:30:03]

juski:

2007-07–28 14:25:08.376 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

[09:30:03]

juski:

2007-07–28 14:25:08.589 NVP: Video is 3.07993 frames ahead of audio, doubling video frame interval to slow down.

[09:30:32]

Dibblah:

juski: Is that dvb?

[09:30:36]

juski:

yes.

[09:30:50]

Dibblah:

And do you have problems with the seektable as well?

[09:30:51]

juski:

if I run the file through ffmpeg to kill the stupid AD & subtitles, it plays fine

[09:30:59]

juski:

Dibblah: not as far as I know, no

[09:31:07]

Dibblah:

Okay. Different issue, then :)

[09:31:17]

juski:

video timing snafus

[09:31:38]

juski:

I'd much rather myth just try to play the file at the right framerate instead of bollocking around with it

[09:32:07]

juski:

if I disable deinterlacing it plays fine

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Dibblah:

Have you tried not syncing to audio?

[09:32:19]

Dibblah:

(sync to the video stream)

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juski:

tried each & every setting

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Dibblah:

:(

[09:32:23]

juski:

it's not a setting thing

[09:32:29]

Dibblah:

Okay.

[09:32:55]

juski:

same version of mythtv plays fine on ubunut with the same hardware

[09:33:40]

juski:

reason I stopped using ubunut was it was incapable of keeping my audio settings the way I like them – i.e. all audio routed to analogue & digital while spdif passthru works fine

[09:34:01]

juski:

it'd be fine sometimes, not fine other times. stupid ubuntu

[09:34:14]

hads:

Yes, it's all Ubuntu's fault.

[09:34:21]

Dibblah:

Course it is.

[09:34:27]

Dibblah:

Doesn't work, does it? ;)

[09:34:39]

juski:

impossible to track the problem down. nobody in #alsa was any use

[09:34:53]

Dibblah:

juski: At least you don't swear at it as much as you did Gentoo...

[09:35:03]

juski:

get it working great, then reboot. whoops. same settings – now guff

[09:35:21]

Dibblah:

However, I still have to find something that is as _easy_ to bring up for netboot...

[09:35:26]

juski:

maybe feisty would be different

[09:35:39]

juski:

or slack. I'm still tempted by slack for a frontend

[09:36:15]

juski:

being able to keep my working tftp directory is a bonus – I can roll back to a working minimyth at any point :)

[09:36:21]

Dibblah:

Gentoo ft (-Oomg) w!

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juski:

I hate to think how out of date my ubuntu backend is

[09:37:04]

juski:

but rather than try to update it, I'll just back up the db & flatten the OS partition

[09:37:14]

juski:

come upgrade time, I mean

[09:37:36]

juski:

no farking about with dist-upgrade, the biggest YMMV in history

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hads:

In your opinion.

[09:39:33]

juski:

nah come on – half the time in my experience, it just works. other times.. you save time by just reinstalling

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hads:

I've been dist-upgrading Debian and Ubuntu boxes for years. Works fine for me.

[09:40:14]

juski:

I figure it's just cleaner to back everything up, protect your media stuff & put a CD in :)

[09:40:30]

juski:

hads: but mythtv boxes?

[09:40:58]

hads:

Not for years, no. Not really much of a special case though.

[09:41:12]

juski:

I can take a bare machine & get mythtv working on it in under an hour these days

[09:41:20]

juski:

without using knoppmyth or whatever ;)

[09:41:46]

juski:

not that I'll be using packages when I upgrade. fack no

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juski:

you know, since I've started leaving my frontend on all the time, boot time is pretty much immaterial now

[10:28:04]

juski:

gonna try knoppmyth with it tonight. if it works chances are I'll make it netbooty & fettle it so my remote & tvout work properly

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wizarth:

Anyone available who has experience with Australian digital HDTV channels?

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seanw:

Hello.

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seanw:

I just instaleld mythtv on ubuntu

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seanw:

ANd the config box popped up talking about the mythtv user

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seanw:

But it absorbed a spacebar I pressed from another app.

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seanw:

And closed the box

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seanw:

Now I have lost the vital information – where can I see the text again?

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juski:

seanw: have you tried reading the documentation?! https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV

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juski:

kinda serves you right for not paying attention

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seanw:

That's a bit harsh :O

[10:55:03]

seanw:

I will take a look; thanks for the link.

[10:55:35]

juski:

not harsh at all. you can hardly be surprised things go wrong if you're trying to multitask & set up mythtv at the same time

[10:58:20]

seanw:

hehe fair enough.

[10:58:28]

seanw:

Anyway, I foun a screenshot – thanks very much.

[10:59:10]

juski:

you should read those docs. most essential information there

[11:01:56]

seanw:

Am doing so; thanks.

[11:02:42]

seanw:

I'm hoping this works for what I intend – simply playing a GameCube through my TV card :-)

[11:03:24]

GreyFoxx:

it wont work

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GreyFoxx:

myth records/encodes everything

[11:03:41]

GreyFoxx:

nothing is direct from tvinput to tvout

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[11:04:08]

GreyFoxx:

only way you can what you want would be with a cheap framegrabber tv card and use an external app like xawtv

[11:04:13]

juski:

it'll work but you'll suck at the games :-P

[11:04:20]

seanw:

haha.

[11:04:25]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

[11:04:31]

seanw:

Well alright then, this was a waste of an hour downloading...

[11:04:44]

seanw:

How I do it in Windoze is with ShowShifter, which is pretty rubbish.

[11:04:45]

GreyFoxx:

what kind of capture card do you have ?

[11:04:57]

seanw:

Radeon 7500 apparently.

[11:05:04]

juski:

for just *watching* tv you should just use tvtime or xawtv

[11:05:13]

GreyFoxx:

Is't that a video card? Or does it have a tuner on it too ?

[11:05:15]

juski:

seanw: won't work in linux anyway, so give up on that now

[11:05:22]

seanw:

...oh.

[11:05:23]

seanw:

Ah well.

[11:05:34]

seanw:

Will wait for synaptic to finish I guess, then switch back to windows for a bit.

[11:05:35]

juski:

is that a 7500 allinwonder?

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seanw:

THanks guys.

[11:06:27]

seanw:

And a waste of disc space.

[11:06:52]

juski:

rather fitting. ati cards are a waste of money ;)

[11:07:03]

seanw:

Well this one is five years old.

[11:07:10]

seanw:

Five years ago I didn't know what IRC was, so..

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[11:07:33]

seanw:

So I have filled my box up with really pointless software.

[11:07:40]

juski:

I bought an ATI AIW card once. never buying ATI again.

[11:07:44]

seanw:

I will uninstall it I guess, but the dependencies will still be hovering around I guess.

[11:08:22]

juski:

man apt ;)

[11:08:29]

seanw:

Indeed...

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otwin:

seanw: i wouldn't call it pointless software just because you cannot play gamecube with it...

[11:09:28]

seanw:

otwin, oh no not what I meant!

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TomTom:

hi! i just need a clue/hint for the following setup: "server" with dvb card(s) and i want to show/use mythtv on serveral clients. i have already the mythtv backend running

[11:09:39]

seanw:

Just pointless for me because I have no use for it, otwin :-)

[11:09:47]

seanw:

I'm sure it's very good normally.

[11:09:56]

seanw:

But if I don't have any hardware for it, there is no point in having it.

[11:11:19]

juski:

TomTom: and?

[11:11:39]

juski:

TomTom: 1. check the dvb card(s) work in linux before setting up mythtv. 2. verify (1).

[11:11:41]

wizarth:

Well, I've managed to get the HD channels "working" (by importing a channels.conf), and it turns out my machines not beefy enough to handle it. Heh heh.

[11:11:46]

TomTom:

juski: now i am lost... this mythtv setup requires X... i want to do some settings

[11:12:08]

juski:

not another whiner that mythtv-setup needs a display to work. ffs

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TomTom:

i don't whine i am just used to setup software remotly without X stuff

[11:13:07]

thoraxe:

this really isn't a myth question, but i figure someone in here might know something. Any reason why mythdora setup would hang on installing the bootloader?

[11:13:32]

juski:

TomTom: you can use a remote X server to run mythtv-setup on. all you need is a clue ;)

[11:14:57]

TomTom:

juski: yes i know all this... all i wanted to know if it works without x... so there are no files which i can edit etc?

[11:15:15]

juski:

TomTom: no config files to edit

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juski:

all settings are stored in the mysql database

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juski:

you cannot edit config files with a remote control :-P

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TomTom:

is there a persistancelayer used so that i can use another database ?

[11:16:20]

juski:

nope

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TomTom:

juski: now back to my setup... the "server" with the cards has no X running and i dont want to forward it from it. so there is something like a frontend whichh uses some protocol (!=X) to communicate with the backend for mpeg streams or what ?

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juski:

if you don't want to forward from it, you're SCREWED

[11:20:08]

TomTom:

so there is no real client server possible like vdr ?

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juski:

you need to run mythtv-setup on the backend machine to er.. set it up.

[11:20:33]

juski:

only to do the setup part. mythbackend works just fine without X. you only need X for setting it up

[11:20:39]

TomTom:

juski: thats not a problem.. for setup i can forward it... i spoke of the normal "usecase"

[11:20:58]

juski:

in normal usage mythbackend doesn't need X, nor would it even use it

[11:21:30]

juski:

my backend doesn't get a monitor connected to it very often at all

[11:21:51]

juski:

but you definitely can't use mythtv-setup without X

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TomTom:

but how to setup frontends? i dont find something in my /etc/mythtv dir...

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juski:

will you just read some documentation ffs?

[11:22:36]

juski:

the jist is this:

[11:22:38]

TomTom:

of course, but there was no entry for my usecase.

[11:22:46]

juski:

oh ffs.

[11:23:17]

juski:

running a separate frontend & backend. easy!

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seanw:

Thanks all.

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juski:

make sure the mysql server can accept connections from the clients you intend to run

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juski:

make sure mythbackend is running on the server's external IP address (i.e. the LAN address not 127.0.0.1)

[11:24:38]

juski:

then just run mythfrontend on each client machine & tell it where the mysql database lives & how to log onto it. badabing

[11:25:42]

TomTom:

hehe thanks... some nifty architecture diagrams ? ;)=

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juski:

look in the wiki for 'executive overview'

[11:26:24]

TomTom:

wow my connection is fast... after 10min i could select a language :)

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juski:

are you done being a troll now?

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TomTom:

im i act like one? i dont think so.

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juski:

ooo I've got more than enough in my paypal account to buy a nova-t500 :D

[11:44:51]

juski:

I can't miss that money since it's not 'real' :)

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TomTom:

so transfer it into my money-sink

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jduggan:

dont suppose anyone knows off hand who manufactures the V+ box

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juski:

some charlatan

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TomTom:

whats special about the nova-t500? i dont even find it on their hp... nova t is dvb-t right ? nova stuff best price-vs-performance ?

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juski:

jduggan: I think it's Thomson

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otwin:

jduggan: the wikipedia article on the v+ box says: "The V+ set top box (STB) is based on the 8300DVB Set Top Box from Scientific Atlanta" – if that helps you

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jduggan:

yea i found it

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jduggan:

its parent company is cisco

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juski:

ah it's scientific atlanta :)

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** juski goes back to ordering the new tuner card **

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juski:

!trout Ebuyer stupid-need-to-register

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** MythLogBot slaps Ebuyer with a stupid-need-to-register trout on behalf of juski... **

[11:58:07]

janneg:

juski: wait

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juski:

too late

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janneg:

Hauppauge sells atm Nova-TD 500 as Nova-T 500 and the Nova-TD 500 will probably never have linux support

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juski:

ffs!

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juski:

probably never? what kind of negative talk is that?

[12:01:35]

juski:

I guess I'll know as soon as I see how many aerial sockets it has

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janneg:

it uses a DiBCom chip which was eol-ed before it got into massproduction

[12:04:32]

juski:

and?

[12:05:02]

juski:

ah so no hardware info, yada yada yada

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juski:

that was a pretty stinky thing of Hauppauge to do!

[12:06:20]

janneg:

no, both involved developers don't think it's worth the effort to write the driver

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juski:

as opposed to writing drivers for obscure USB sticks..

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juski:

according to the v4l-dvb mailing list, the 'diversity' version works in linux

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juski:

well, anyway I hope it's not a td-500, you never have any way of knowing when they're both sold as the same product. damn retards

[12:19:26]

jarle__:

Is there a list of transponders that I can feed to mythtv for scanning?

[12:20:03]

juski:

jarle__: lyngsat.com

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jarle__:

I'm having a look at /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-s/Hotbird-13.0E but this transponder doesn't seem to supply any additional transponders...

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juski:

janneg: got any more info other than that? links? I can't find any mention of the td-500 specifically

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snarkster:

Good Morning

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TomTom:

juski: the FAQ and the architecture entry helped a lot

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snarkster:

I have just recently found that mythstram is installed on my box.. But how do you start it? It doesnt appear in any of the meus

[12:22:24]

snarkster:

mythstream evenm

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juski:

TomTom: that's the general idea

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snarkster:

Does Mythstream appear in your menus?

[12:25:30]

snarkster:

I gotta get dressed for work..

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snarkster:

thanks for listening

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jarle__:

does it make any sense to do a tuned search on more than one transponder for each satellite?

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juski:

if a transponder doesn't provide tuning info for the others, then yes

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jarle__:

juski: seems like a lot of the transponders on hotbird is missing tuning info for other transponders...

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juski:

janneg: so basically from what I can gather the td-500 is more than likely a http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/pages/products/data_novatdstick.html on a pci card yes? that being the case I think it's supported by linux now

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juski:

"Support for this controller is not planned for now, sorry.". fat lot of good that is! fuck it – I'm no longer going to recommend Hauppauge to anybody

[12:39:49]

juski:

they can't continue to ship a PoS product masquerading as one known to work already. it sucks

[12:40:56]

juski:

well, if I get unlucky I can always put the card straight on ebay. chances are I'll get more than I just paid for it anyway

[12:40:57]

TomTom:

i had only problems with hauppauge so far (exept for the bt8x8 on linux)

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TomTom:

even the windows drivers are horrible...

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juski:

they sell a 'XYZ card', ship it in the box for 'ABC', Blatant misrepresentation

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juski:

I guess, given a register map for the chip in question it wouldn't be too hard to hack an existing driver

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juski:

shit. can't cancel the order now either.

[12:48:09]

juski:

Hauppauge YOU STINK!

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TomTom:

just write the driver ;-)====

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laga:

sue hauppauge?

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juski:

like I have spare cash to do that

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juski:

I'll just boycott em

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Aval0n:

spare cash to write a driver?

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Aval0n:

oh

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Aval0n:

sue them

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Aval0n:

lol

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juski:

ah shit. and the guy who posted about it on mythtv-users bought it from ebuyer. FACK

[12:59:38]

** juski kisses his money goodbye **

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laga:

can't you just return it to the store?

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TomTom:

it was only virtual non existing money... your words

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TomTom:

:)

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juski:

not unless it's faulty, even then I lose money on postage

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TomTom:

"make" is fail ? :)

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TomTom:

it

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laga:

oh

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laga:

bless german consumer protection laws

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juski:

maybe Hauppauge would swap it – they did for users who ended up with hvr1100 cards instead of pvr150

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juski:

they REALLY SUCK for pulling strokes like that, though

[13:02:20]

TomTom:

any idea what happens after the debug log: MSqlQuery: SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'AllowQuitShutdown' AND hostname IS NULL; ... i wait for the Xoutput for 15minutes... constantly 64k/s.. some animation ?

[13:03:16]

juski:

and joy of all joys you can't just go & download the datasheet for the DibCOM 0710 device

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TomTom:

NDA + $$$$ ? ;)

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juski:

evil French bastards

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TomTom:

bomb em

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TomTom:

juski: what i have to do, when i want clean out all settings ? without removing the schema in mysql... some "single" switch/field to set/unset ?

[13:06:15]

TomTom:

you wont believe it! i see a menu :)

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juski:

anyway, looks like once again the Linux user gets the shitty end of the stick :-\

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TomTom:

juski: linux users are terrorists

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TomTom:

;)

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juski:

it's almost enough to make you want to switch to MCE ;)

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TomTom:

hahaha this was good... i had the "chance" to get my hands on a MCE/acer thing.... just horrible..

[13:08:01]

TomTom:

and expensive

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TomTom:

it seems that mythtv can't handle font DPI settings >100... any idea how to override it when using a remote x server?

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j-rod:

so... anyone else recently seen an ATSC DVB card suddenly cease to be able to get a lock on any channel?

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j-rod:

my hd5000 can't lock onto any of my cable HD channels anymore

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janneg:

juski: no, it's not the same. and I now that the nova-td usb stick is supported. I added the device ids for it to the driver

[13:11:02]

j-rod:

(while my hdhomerun does so just fine)

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j-rod:

and a friend reported something similar

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j-rod:

I did upgrade my kernel, not sure yet if that's related (friend didn't tho)

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** j-rod plans to further debug tonight **

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juski:

manufacturers need a damn good smacking for tricks like that

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juski:

they also want a good smacking for the practise of 'no you can't see the register map or a full datasheet, but we'll sell you a development kit for $50,000'

[13:17:34]

juski:

just looked up that in the UK under the distance selling regulations I can return any order for any reason within 14 days & get a refund :)

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TomTom:

juski: why? you can make money when buying there chips and docs for creating some media cards, so its their right and business case to get money for it

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juski:

knowing ebuyer's reputation I'll have a fight on my hands though

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TomTom:

hmm when i buy here in germany from a webshop etc i have the same rights like buying it in a real shop. you cant do nothing as a company against it

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TomTom:

good for us customers

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opello:

that's a pretty handy law

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TomTom:

uh reading FAQ prevented me asking an evil "you will be banned" question ;) *puh*

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juski:

ahhh "If you have simply changed your mind about any item ordered and you wish to return it, then in line with the Distance Selling Regulations (DSR) you can do so provided you inform us of your decision within 10 days of receipt. The item must not be used and must be 'as new' when returned to us. Once you've informed us that you wish to return goods under the DSR, you have 28 calendar days to do so, at your own expense. O

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TomTom:

e voila... you won

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TomTom:

a more generic question: its possible to view tv (channel switching etc) via upnp/av , or does the upnp/av concept does not cover such thing

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GreyFoxx:

I think there is some upnp stuff out there for that, just nothing in myth

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TomTom:

if it would be covered, you would just need such a small streaming box and your "server" in the basement... ready... having a macmini or such is definitive overkill when you already have a "fat" server in the basement

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juski:

sod it I'm phoning to cancel it

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TomTom:

when i have it all going i will tickle you with annoying questions about cheap mythtv frontends :) maybe some thinclient or so

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** GreyFoxx is about to put together a new frontend, but most of my others are diskless boxes **

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juski:

done.

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juski:

so. can't recommend hauppauge to anybody now, and they've been about the best of a bad bunch. what now?

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TomTom:

GreyFoxx: good! so what do you think are the minimum requirements, just for watching tv ? any prebuild usable boxes or thinclients ?

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TomTom:

juski: i could ask you some trollish questions B)

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GreyFoxx:

TomTom: the real quest depends on what you ar planning to wtch

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GreyFoxx:

650/733 mhz is enough for standard def tv

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TomTom:

GreyFoxx: no hdtv...

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laga:

juski: framegrabbers? ;)

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laga:

juski: or write a bitchy email to hauppauge

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juski:

I'd sooner write a real letter. emails go nowhere

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GreyFoxx:

TomTom: Most of my frontends are converted MSNTV2 settop boxes with 128megs of ram and 733mhz celeron processor booting a kernel on aCF card and nfs mounting the filesystem

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TomTom:

GreyFoxx: currently i use some embedded linux settop boxes which are very slow but can handle a lot of stuff

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GreyFoxx:

TomTom: http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2006/03-05-MSNTV-MythTV&

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GreyFoxx:

That's what most of my frontends are

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GreyFoxx:

though they are currently still in boxes as I moved 2 weeks ago and have only setup my mainbackend+frontend :)

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TomTom:

GreyFoxx: looks good, i already have IDE-CFcard adapter and cards...

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TomTom:

what are these "evil" msn boxes ?

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GreyFoxx:

If you are in germany you can get the S100's which are almost identical hardware and have wifi and scart and such

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TomTom:

who is the manufacturer of the S100 ?

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GreyFoxx:

TomTom: they are settop boxes MS put out years ago that they have discontinued

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juski:

laga: anyway, the order is cancelled. I'll have my money back soon & no doubt by tomorrow I'll forget all about it

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juski:

suffer poor users!

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juski:

muhahahahaha

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GreyFoxx:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/s100/index.html

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juski:

heh. got my money back already :)

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TomTom:

GreyFoxx: your experiences with shutdown/wakeup ? acpi ? suspend2disk ?

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GreyFoxx:

I often hear them referred to with Zenega in the name as well

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GreyFoxx:

TomTom: I don't use any of that

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juski:

no! the zenega is something else

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TomTom:

GreyFoxx: so they are running 24/7 ? wasing power?

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TomTom:

wasting

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GreyFoxx:

TomTom: they use almost no power, and have no disks

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GreyFoxx:

and no fan

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juski:

better than crappy EPIA at playing back SDTV, for sure

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laga:

juski: AFAIk, handan calls the design "zenega" *shrug*

[13:46:39]

juski:

yeah BUT – the Bose Zenega 101 is a totally different box

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laga:

yep. the intel aprt is still the same except for RAm ;)

[13:47:06]

laga:

RAM*

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laga:

i scuk at typing today

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juski:

yeah the zenega 101 has only 32MB IIRC

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** GreyFoxx wants to find a nice new htpc case with lcd, volume and playback knobs and usb/firewire in the front that doesn't look like either a tank or a cube **

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juski:

GreyFoxx: I'd rather have USB/firewire at the side ;)

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laga:

juski: it's got 64M

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juski:

I've been working on my own case design here. front panel PCB with LCD, rotary encoder etc.. .

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juski:

laga: heh. still useless for mythtv though

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laga:

juski: *shrug* ;)

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GreyFoxx:

rotary encoder? What'sthat ?

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laga:

juski: a friend of mine is planning on upgrading his s100 to 256M

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juski:

GreyFoxx: like a volume control but continuous rotating

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GreyFoxx:

ahhhh

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juski:

GreyFoxx: think modern amp/receiver volume control ;) also for data entry ;)

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laga:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

That could be interesting if you could use it for menu navigating and push it to pick and item

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GreyFoxx:

Got any mockup images ? :)

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juski:

only 2d autocad at the moment

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juski:

nothing special

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laga:

i found out the other day how to get 4.0/5.0 output from my AV receiver. it can only do dolby pro logic. is it a big improvement over stereo? i'm not sure if i should go through the hassle and route some speaker wires through my room

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juski:

laga: wire is cheap

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laga:

juski: not at my local places ;)

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juski:

laga: just buy mains cable. it's more than suited

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laga:

i'll take a look later, though, when i'll pick up a birthday present for the GF

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laga:

juski: i doubt they carry that.. at least for an affordable price :)

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TomTom:

hmm 50€ for such an S100... good

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TomTom:

does it have ethernet ? i dont want wlan stuff

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laga:

yes.

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laga:

it's got ethernet and wlan.

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laga:

to use the wlan chip with WPA, you need ndiswrapper, though

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TomTom:

good, 50€ for such a try is it worth

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laga:

the prism54 guys never implemented wpasupplicant support :(

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TomTom:

i have experience with ndiswrapper, would be no problem... but i have gbit hat the tv-set so i will use ethernet

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laga:

TomTom: yes, but it's very low on RAM. it's not exactly as fast as a regular computer ;)

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laga:

and you'll have to use a proprietary driver to get tv-out working.

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TomTom:

i just want to use it as mythtv frontend... so when it can handle the xserver i have no problem

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TomTom:

aghs

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TomTom:

really ? i hate this driver mess

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juski:

don't even think about emailing me for support

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TomTom:

HAHAHA

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laga:

and i *believe* that recent kernels (at least ubuntu gutsy) broke agpgart support ;) i can't prove it yet, though

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juski:

I would'nt expect any pre-alpha distro to be of much use

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TomTom:

i compile all by myself... on this box would go a stripped down gentoo

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Dagmar:

Shake it and see if the pieces make noise

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juski:

using gentoo isn't 'compiling it all by yourself'

[14:03:45]

juski:

compiling it all, yes, but NOT by yourself

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laga:

juski: i'm afraid it's broken in the kernel. i have yet to verify it

[14:04:47]

juski:

laga: so what's wrong with just using fisty?

[14:05:25]

laga:

juski: nothing, that's what i'm doing now ;) i'll upload an image later

[14:05:35]

TomTom:

juski: thats why i said "stripped down"

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TomTom:

so all of you have these msn/s100 like boxes ?

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GreyFoxx:

TomTom: very very few users have them

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TomTom:

it seems that this thingy has a standard intel chipset...

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GreyFoxx:

you just happen to be one with 3 who do

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GreyFoxx:

s/one/on

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TomTom:

so it should not be a problem to get an intelfb running

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laga:

GreyFoxx: you have an s100 as well?

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GreyFoxx:

laga: 4 msntv's

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laga:

ah ;)

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juski:

I have 2 s100 boxes. I don't use either of them yet

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laga:

GreyFoxx: let me know if you try a recent kernel ;)

[14:08:14]

laga:

juski: just revive them tonight

[14:08:17]

juski:

I demoed one at LRL last year. that was when LRL wasn't a waste of time :)

[14:08:29]

opello:

after the conversation yesterday, i started getting ready to put my ide header on

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GreyFoxx:

man this windows crap is really really starting to annoy me

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** GreyFoxx hates all of the windows based hosting machine **

[14:09:09]

laga:

juski: hum. do you remember the other UK guy with an s100? who was that again?

[14:09:14]

juski:

laga: I might well do that, but I'm gonna have to make a lightweight theme that doesn't stink of poo

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juski:

laga: rsdvd

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laga:

right

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juski:

laga – 117M virt used by mythfrontend with my new theme but it's not been optimised much yet

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laga:

juski: what resolution?

[14:13:18]

juski:

1280x720

[14:13:33]

laga:

nice!

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juski:

oh and that's on mythfrontend without gbee's memory savings

[14:15:14]

juski:

all hail aeroic-wide :)

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subx:

ohh noo not another juski theme..

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juski:

!trout subx

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** MythLogBot slaps subx with a trout on behalf of juski... **

[14:15:54]

juski:

oh noes! not another mythtv theme that doesn't suck like mythcenter!

[14:16:06]

juski:

oops

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subx:

my myth box lasts for about 4 days then i have to reboot it. when i select a channel it gets locked into a channel with a high number like 709, i try and change the channel but nothing happens. I think this might be a problem with my Hauppauge Nova-T 500 'disconnecting'.

[14:18:56]

juski:

subx: that's been fixed.

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subx:

thats good news, hopefully debian will release a package in a year or 2

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subx:

one day ill be a man and install gentoo and compile everything, but not until im more comfortable with the linux os

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juski:

one day after that you'll say "screw this, I've got better things to do with my life than try & keep track of what these retards keep changing"

[14:20:13]

subx:

yep

[14:20:34]

laga:

hehe

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juski:

gentoo racked me off by changing too much stuff. I ended up with weird problems even the more seasoned people in #gentoo had trouble understanding

[14:21:28]

subx:

are there a still a lot of bugs to be resolved before .21 is released?

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juski:

like apache failing to run because there wasn't enough atrophy ffs

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juski:

subx: plenty. there will be no 0.21 before september IMHO

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subx:

it might a nice xmas present then :D

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juski:

and I think rather than buy a nova-t 500 & be disappointed with it NEVER WORKING in linux I can just be patient & wait for multirec :)

[14:24:37]

rooaus:

juski: Like me who is still running gcc 3.4.4 (despite the unaligned stack problems), because upgrading gcc in Gentoo means emerging world. And I can't wait for that.

[14:24:37]

laga:

looks like multirec won't be merged for 0.21

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juski:

laga: I didn't have any expectation of that

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laga:

i did :(

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juski:

laga: anyway that rather depends on when they plan to unleash 0.21 ;)

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laga:

yup

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juski:

there's likely gonna be 0.20.2 before that

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rooaus:

laga: Yeah I saw that post from Daniel, but he has merged some stuff to ease the DB schema changes between trunk and multi-rec. So you should be able to switch between the two much easier.

[14:26:29]

laga:

rooaus: yeah. you just have to re-create your capture cards...

[14:28:26]

juski:

laga so is that 117M a good figure?

[14:29:36]

laga:

quite good, yes

[14:30:00]

juski:

if so – not a bad achievement for something that looks like www.juski.co.uk/image1.png :)

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laga:

glass <3

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ubuntuEdgy:

hi.

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janneg:

bah, it's green

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juski:

just needs a few tweaks here & there, then it'll be done

[14:31:15]

juski:

janneg: www.juski.co.uk/image3.png – no it's not! ;)

[14:33:04]

janneg:

and 117M is not bad, probably one of top themes on the bling/Megabyte scale

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janneg:

juski: bah, it's red!

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juski:

janneg: btw thanks for the warning about the lame hauppauge thing. saved me a headache & wasting my money

[14:34:10]

juski:

not yet tried the theme with a blue/purple/pink/black/grey/skybluepinkwithyellowdots background :-P

[14:34:14]

janneg:

np. I thinks it's strange that hauppauge uses that chip for a new product

[14:34:36]

juski:

janneg: prolly bought loads by mistake. we do similar tricks here

[14:35:17]

TomTom:

so did not get a s100, now... next auction ends in 2h... next try..

[14:35:35]

juski:

maybe even DIBcom slipped them a good deal. that kind of thing isn't unheard of either

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janneg:

loads can't be that much and it's rather old

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laga:

TomTom: good luck :)

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juski:

it's enough to mean that we can't go around recommending the nova-t 500 to anybody anymore

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juski:

so for dual tuner dvb-t cards on PCI, that kinds takes the front runner away

[14:37:46]

juski:

I've got a 4-port usb 2.0 card at home somewhere. I could buy 4 USB tuners & have a quad tuner PCI card :-P

[14:39:35]

juski:

anyway – hometime for me

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janneg:

juski: or octo if you use the nova-td stick

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laga:

juski: you could also get a life. ;)

[14:41:04]

TomTom:

GreyFoxx: any experience about the switch times in general and with you msn boxes?

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TomTom:

when the backend and the frontend are different machines, what about the channel switching ? is this considerably fast ? max 1s ?

[14:43:46]

laga:

no

[14:44:00]

laga:

it should be as fast as on a combined FE/BE

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laga:

maybe a little bit slower

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TomTom:

uhhh

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laga:

since channel changing is already slow as hell, network latency shouldnt matter much

[14:44:44]

TomTom:

for me slow as hell is more than 1s

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juski:

channel surfing is for losers, btw

[14:45:27]

TomTom:

with a neutrino dbox2 and an enigma dreambox channelswitching is less than a second

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jarle__:

Is there a cut'n'paste way I can add transponders to mythtv without using mythtv-setup? I have a list of transponders I want to add and I guess it would be quicker doing cut'n'paste...

[14:46:08]

TomTom:

juski: why ? :)

[14:50:24]

laga:

TomTom: neutrino/enigma probably don't do timeshifting all the time

[14:50:26]

TomTom:

hmm i can't find complains about slow switching, but also no numbers... i could assume that the switching time is ok... but on the other hand there is silence after this questions... sooooooo

[14:50:43]

laga:

i was away getting mysel some cookies :)

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TomTom:

laga: when i disable timeshift ?

[14:50:57]

laga:

and yes, channel changing time is slow.

[14:51:02]

laga:

TomTom: that's not possible.

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laga:

TomTom: it's over one second.

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laga:

it also depends wether you're on the same multiplex or if the card has to lock to a different transponder

[14:51:25]

TomTom:

ok this are numbers, thanks

[14:51:55]

TomTom:

so some channel hops can be "faster" than others

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laga:

yes

[14:52:11]

laga:

overall, it's rather slow. maybe 2–5s.

[14:52:25]

laga:

i'll just time it for you *shrug*

[14:54:05]

laga:

hum

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laga:

on the same multiplex: about 3 seconds for me

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TomTom:

i could get used to it

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TomTom:

but switching is essential :) because planned tv viewing is something for enemployed or students B-)

[14:55:23]

laga:

TomTom: just enable "browse mode". that way, you can scroll through the EPG and just switch channels when you want to

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** jarle__ has problems finding a transponder on Hotbird 13E that has tuning information about other transponders to scan. I wouldn't like having to add 99 transponders to mythtv, one by one(!) Any hints? **

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laga:

TomTom: how is "planned tv viewing" something for students?

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TomTom:

laga: because they have time and can plan TV together with studying schedule :)

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laga:

um

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laga:

the opposite is true. you tell mythtv what you want to record and you can watch ti later.

[14:57:35]

TomTom:

record all from all possible channels so that i can have a peek into all ;)

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laga:

you need a lot of capture cards to do that

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TomTom:

and discspace

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TomTom:

and a good pci bus

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TomTom:

serveral ;)

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TomTom:

"recording farm"

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TomTom:

ok bye for ... now ! i will be definitly back and you cant do anything ;)= thanks for your help and suggestions

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laga:

/ban TomTom

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janneg:

!trout laga ENOPERM

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** MythLogBot slaps laga with a ENOPERM trout on behalf of janneg... **

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laga:

!trout janneg ETOOMUCHTROUT

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** MythLogBot slaps janneg with a ETOOMUCHTROUT trout on behalf of laga... **

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ger_3D:

hello

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par-joha:

good evening

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ubuntuEdgy:

can any one help me burn shows that I have recorded to a dvd.

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ubuntuEdgy:

mytharchive keeps on crashing...with no error

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laga:

ubuntuEdgy: the log files are in the temporary directory you've set in the mytharchive settings

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ubuntuEdgy:

i get can as far as export video files

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ubuntuEdgy:

the temp dir has no files

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kslater:

ubuntuEdgy: your mythtv user has write access to the directory, right?

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ubuntuEdgy:

......... double checks

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ubuntuEdgy:

keep getting /usr/bin/mythfrontend: line 18: 13902 Segmentation fault (core dumped) /usr no matter what i do

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ubuntuEdgy:

/usr/bin/mythfrontend: line 18: 13902 Segmentation fault (core dumped) /usr/bin/mythfrontend.real "$@"

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juski:

well if it segfaults – nothing to do but build mythtv & all the plugins with debugging support enabled & run under gdb :)

[16:05:53]

Dagmar:

or make sure X is running and accessible

[16:06:04]

Dagmar:

About half of Myth's binaries just crash like that if X is unavailable

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ubuntuEdgy:

how can i make shure x is running and .....

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ubuntuEdgy:

what if i try sudo dpkg-reconfigure mytharchive

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juski:

what if you just start randomly stabbing in the dark for answers? yay there's the solution :-\

[16:09:28]

ubuntuEdgy:

good piont

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ubuntuEdgy:

im in the dark myself...

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juski:

look in the mytharchive temp dir & see if there's a log. find the last entry in the log to see what the last thing it started, or did, was

[16:10:10]

kslater:

random stabbage as an attempt to solve problem with mythtv installations – that can consume a good amount of time

[16:10:32]

juski:

kslater: depends mostly where the stabbing is directed ;)

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kslater:

hehe

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kslater:

good point

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kslater:

get it?

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh....

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juski:

very sharp, isn't it? ;)

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kslater:

time for some sunshine

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ubuntuEdgy:

enjoy

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aname:

umm can anyone help me?

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thoraxe:

possibly?

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aname:

i get no audio when scheduling recordings

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aname:

though audio on livetv works fine and also when i press r to save the live tv session

[16:13:22]

aname:

got no clue on where to start with this..

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aname:

..anyone?

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ubuntuEdgy:

patience .........

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ubuntuEdgy:

egnore me im a bit upset

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juski:

aname: start with reading.. the... documentation :) http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

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ubuntuEdgy:

any one use dvdauthor...

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ubuntuEdgy:

and what dose this error mean ....WARN: Skipping sector, waiting for first VOBU...

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ubuntuEdgy:

happens on every mpg video i own

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kslater:

ubuntuEdgy: I don't see that and I use mythtvarchive regularly.

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kslater:

what's in your system?

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kslater:

capture card(s), myth version?, distro & version?

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juski:

you can't just chuck mpeg videos into dvdauthor – that's the rub :)

[17:04:06]

juski:

they have to be dvd compliant videos for it to work

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kslater:

juski – is this the same guy that was thinking you could just apt-get install myth and have it work without some reading of the documentation?

[17:08:39]

juski:

kslater: nah. he's a frickin pest though

[17:09:03]

kslater:

lol

[17:09:25]

kslater:

I *try* to help out when I'm able and know at least a little about the area

[17:10:04]

juski:

I'm praying for the day mytharchive copes with dvb recordings better. any snafus in the stream (which play normally btw) & it just barfs

[17:10:46]

juski:

about half the recordings I try it with, it just barfs :( I know how to fix it (run the files through ffmpeg first to eliminate all but the primary streams) but I'd rather not

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kslater:

ah

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juski:

no big deal. I didn't buy mythtv to burn dvds ;)

[17:11:22]

kslater:

I have mostly no issues with it, but I do have a recording or two that it refuses to work with

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juski:

kslater: try ffmpegging em. ffmpeg -i $somefile -acodec copy -vcodec copy $outputfile – that generally does the trick – assuming the mapping of streams doesn't go awry

[17:12:31]

kslater:

mostly myth just provides time shifting for me, but on occasion I find something I want to preserve offline

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kslater:

I'll give it a shot. I've been cleaning out the recordings list lately

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kslater:

fall tends to be a busy time on the mythboxen at my house

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juski:

it's never me who the archiving is for. $wife wanting to preserve 'Bad Girls' or some crap

[17:13:34]

juski:

they could fall off the HDD & she'd never know ;)

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kslater:

This fall I'll have a son starting at school. He won't be able to watch our local teams games since he'll be out of market

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kslater:

have to come up with a solution for that

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juski:

out of market?

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kslater:

yes, he'll get a different teams games in his dorm

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juski:

ahhh

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lexs:

is a windows MCE remote a good choice?

[17:15:39]

juski:

lexs: surprisingly, yes :)

[17:21:07]

lexs:

juski: do you know if it is easy to remove the casing of the ir recivier?

[17:21:10]

lexs:

that comes with it

[17:21:40]

juski:

lexs: with a view to mounting inside something else? probably very easy if you're careful

[17:21:56]

lexs:

yes

[17:22:17]

juski:

just don't go at it like a hatchet man ;)

[17:22:19]

lexs:

thought i could mount inside my pc case

[17:22:21]

lexs:

:)

[17:22:30]

lexs:

and hook it up to a internal usb connector

[17:22:44]

kslater:

seems like a reasonable hack

[17:22:56]

kslater:

I don't mean you lexs

[17:23:08]

kslater:

I mean the idea

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kslater:

;-)

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lexs:

:p

[17:24:14]

lexs:

the mce remote is kinda cheap too

[17:25:00]

iamlindoro:

It's even easy to remove the remote casing and replace the windows button, fyi ;)

[17:25:08]

juski:

http://www.ricavisionplix.com/MCE_Internal_Receiver_p/intrec.htm

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lexs:

:P

[17:25:18]

juski:

they even do an internal version already :)

[17:25:50]

lexs:

oh

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lexs:

that photo cant be of the receiver?

[17:26:50]

juski:

yes

[17:27:00]

juski:

presumably the sensor comes on its own wire

[17:27:09]

juski:

http://www.htpcnews.com/forums/index.php?act= . . . &id=1330

[17:27:11]

juski:

yup

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lexs:

i wonder if they are sold in sweden :c

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juski:

I think the internal one might be the best way to go actually, since it looks like you hook up the board to the case power switch – so you can power up the system with the remote!

[17:31:12]

juski:

I had no idea such a thing existed until now

[17:31:30]

juski:

at least not one available to buy in regular places ;)

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lexs:

juski: the one there seems to be "homebuilt" i think.

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lexs:

eg, not from ms

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secross:

Help please, is mysql-admin the proper app to use on mythconverg database? i cannot seem to access tables...

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kslater:

secross: the application doesn't matter as much as the proper user / password

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bill2or3:

the cli tool to execute queries and stuff is just "mysql"

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kslater:

if you're ok with command line access you could maybe use: mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg

[17:53:06]

fryfrog:

or just "-p" and type your password when it asks

[17:53:15]

kslater:

assuming mythtv / mythtv for user / password

[17:53:40]

kslater:

righton fryfrog

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secross:

kslater, i can get into the databese just fine, but i can see no wayu to access tables from inside mysql-admin, so mabye i should look at another app.

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kslater:

I'm not familiar with that tool, sorry

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fryfrog:

mysqladmin, afaik is mainly good for dropping/adding databases

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fryfrog:

secross: what *exactly* are you trying to do?

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secross:

tis ok, i just want an easy way to add dvb channels (aid,vid,pid) data to the database, cause there doesnt seem to be that function in mythtv-setup.

[17:58:14]

Cry_wolf2:

Anyone active using boxer in sweden ?

[17:58:34]

fryfrog:

ahh, you want manual access to the db

[17:58:50]

fryfrog:

i would check out mythweb, which you can use to *edit* channels.

[17:59:25]

fryfrog:

if that isn't good enough, i'd then suggest trying phpmyadmin

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secross:

i have tryed zaptoit, but it seems only caters to stuff like c-bandand the like...

[18:00:44]

secross:

fryfrog, ok, hmmm i thought mythweb was a web browser plugin in mythtv?

[18:00:56]

fryfrog:

no, that'd be mythbrowser

[18:01:06]

fryfrog:

mythweb is a set of php scripts to manager your mythbox

[18:01:13]

fryfrog:

er, myth box(s)

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secross:

ok, i will give that a shot, thanks.

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fryfrog:

I personally use phpmyadmin for most of the db edit stuff, little more fool proof than command line and way easier imho

[18:02:30]

fryfrog:

mythweb will let you *edit* existing stuff i think?

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iamlindoro:

Yup, in the settings/Channel Tables... dunno about adding channels from there tho

[18:04:34]

fryfrog:

yeah, i don't think you can

[18:04:41]

iamlindoro:

maybe easier way to do it would be to write a channels.conf and use that in mythtv-setup

[18:04:49]

fryfrog:

good point

[18:06:10]

secross:

vdr died on my box, and i have a channels.conf i tried to import, but mythtv-setup could not understand it.

[18:08:19]

secross:

it would be nice to just import that channels.conf, instead of re entering all those channels, (i get sats from 72w to 148w)

[18:08:37]

juski:

secross: so generate a new channels.conf in 'generic' format with the dvb scan util

[18:08:48]

bill2or3:

secross where are you?

[18:09:30]

secross:

i am at -122.6n, 48.3w

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** iamlindoro plugs coordinates into gps to get answer in english... **

[18:09:55]

iamlindoro:

;)

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juski:

secross: one thing to remember though – if you just import a channels.conf file, stuff like EIT will not work. you can import a channels.conf file, then 'scan existing transponders' in mythtv-setup

[18:11:00]

bill2or3:

does the EIT scan work on the dishnet compressed EIT data?

[18:11:14]

bill2or3:

uh.. for nasa-tv.

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iamlindoro:

uhhhhh my iPhone says you live in San Francisco

[18:12:25]

iamlindoro:

Which is so very wrong

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secross:

sorry, try -122.6 long / 48.3 lat.

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iamlindoro:

Seattleish

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iamlindoro:

Oak Harbor

[18:19:04]

iamlindoro:

With those Coords, anyway

[18:19:19]

secross:

yeah, right on the beam.

[18:19:21]

bill2or3:

must have a big dish.

[18:19:22]

iamlindoro:

But I still think it would have been easier to say where you lived. Not that I don't enjoy a challenge ;)

[18:19:57]

iamlindoro:

Hey, are you on a naval base?

[18:20:17]

iamlindoro:

Kinda looks like

[18:20:23]

iamlindoro:

anyway, not important. :)

[18:21:27]

secross:

my dish is 72cm with a 0.2 dual lnb and running 170 feet out from the house to clear the treeline.

[18:22:16]

secross:

i am just down the street from the main base, the jets fly right over my place, yow!

[18:24:14]

secross:

amyone here have a mostly complete channels.sql that covers 72w-148w ?

[18:25:31]

iamlindoro:

Probably gonna be hard to find that, Secross, does it not work properly when you generate a channels.conf from a scan?

[18:27:46]

secross:

iamlindoro, i can scan, but some eit from sats like amc3 does not get filled (like the pbs stations)

[18:28:07]

iamlindoro:

hrm, but you have a channels.conf that myth won't take, right?

[18:28:14]

secross:

yep.

[18:28:39]

iamlindoro:

perhaps create a new one in generic format and manually compare against the old one, adding in data from the old to the new?

[18:30:03]

iamlindoro:

I understood that the one myth wouldn't take had the info you needed, but I may have flaked out on a point here

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secross:

i guess i could do that, or just enter in all those freq, symbol settings...

[18:30:29]

iamlindoro:

thought you might be able to use the format of the newly scanned one and the information from the old to manually build a working one

[18:30:49]

iamlindoro:

and then e-mail that channels.conf to all your friends so that you never lose it again ;)

[18:32:53]

secross:

i used to see a pre built table that covered all sats, was updated about once a week from a web page, but forgot where it's at.

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secross:

it wasn't satcodx or lyngsat, but was someones personal web page...

[18:37:00]

jarle__:

When switching to a channel and in the OSD i get "On same multiplex..." What does that mean?

[18:37:09]

olds:

the channel is on the same multiplex

[18:37:55]

jarle__:

olds: which means?

[18:38:06]

olds:

it doesn't have to switch to a different multiplex

[18:38:11]

secross:

it means that the channel is on the same freq, symbol rate, polarity...

[18:39:05]

olds:

multiplexes are like bundles of chanels

[18:39:05]

iamlindoro:

Simply put, that multiple channels are in the same "wrapper" signal

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jarle__:

secross: So I have channels overlapping each-other?

[18:39:27]

olds:

no

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iamlindoro:

no

[18:39:31]

olds:

it's not an error

[18:39:50]

secross:

nope.

[18:40:19]

iamlindoro:

your local news channel can, for example, multiplex their channel, a weather channel, and maybe some other thing in one singla

[18:40:25]

iamlindoro:

er signal

[18:40:37]

iamlindoro:

it means that the tuner doesn't need to retune to switch to the other channel

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jarle__:

I try to select a channel called Bloomberg Eu, and what I get is Music Box RU...

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olds:

then you need to rescan your channels

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jarle__:

olds: just did 30 mins ago...

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olds:

http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/dish110.html

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olds:

see how the channels are grouped by frequency and "tp"

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olds:

all of the channels in each of those groupings are on the same multiplex

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olds:

meaning, they're all carried on the same signal

[18:42:28]

olds:

kind of like how there can be multiple audio streams on a dvd

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olds:

there are multiplex video/aduio streams on a multiplex

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olds:

*multiple

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jarle__:

olds: thnx for info...

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bill2or3:

so in theory, could you watch/record two channels at once, if they're in the same multiplex?

[18:43:18]

olds:

yep

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olds:

you can

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olds:

use the multirec branch

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bill2or3:

neat.

[18:44:04]

bill2or3:

do you know about how many channels per multiplex on average?

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olds:

on satellite, it depends on how much bandwidth each channel uses and how much bandwidth each transponder has

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olds:

for HD channels, 3 or 4

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olds:

for SD channels .. ~10

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secross:

if you are in the u.s. t5 (ia5) is stuffed.

[18:45:07]

olds:

but it really depends on the provider, the satellite capabilities, etc

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bill2or3:

gotcha.

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secross:

iamlindoro, i can email out the channels.conf from 1.4.7–2ctvdr1 if you think it will be usefull to you... (i use debian)

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bill2or3:

secross, how many FTA(or non-fta, I suppose) channels can you pick up from there?

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jarle__:

overy now and then I am unable to watch live TV, any hints? http://www.pastebin.ca/640847

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secross:

...or mabye i will just goto putfile.com...

[18:54:14]

secross:

i can get all that i can recieve unencrypted, plus wildfeeds...

[18:54:59]

secross:

ummm, with just a ku dish, no analog ofcoarse...

[18:55:29]

bill2or3:

nice. what tuner?

[18:55:37]

bill2or3:

just a pci dvb-s card?

[18:55:54]

bill2or3:

or some external set-top box?

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secross:

an old nova-s modded to push the motor and the like new 0.2 lnb.

[18:57:02]

bill2or3:

I've never bothered to move my dish, pointed at echostar119w, maybe I should look into getting a motor.

[18:57:18]

bill2or3:

I just have a pci dvb card.

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secross:

how can you get anything on 119w? , i am using an sg2100 to turn the pansat 72cm dish...

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bill2or3:

I'm in utah, fwiw.

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bill2or3:

I could be wrong on that, it might be 110w.

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bill2or3:

it's just where it was allready aimed. :-|

[19:01:04]

bill2or3:

you've been happy with the sg2100?

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jarle__:

There is no need to restart a frontend after running mythtv-setup at the backend, is there?

[19:01:11]

secross:

110w and 119w are circ polarity dishnet service, (mabye some fta music too)...

[19:01:34]

bill2or3:

yeah, previews, nasa tv, and some soccer channel.

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keith4:

how would I compile *just* mythtvosd?

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fryfrog:

jarle__: pkill mythfrontend?

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jarle__:

fryfrog: do I need to restart mythfrontend after changing settings at the backend?

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keith4:

can't hurt

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jarle__:

For DVB programs that have alternative audio feed, can mythtv switch between the feeds?

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secross:

i wanna know too.

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olds:

yes

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olds:

hit m (for menu)

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olds:

select audio track

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Cardoe:

anyone know how I can figure out the xmltvid's for specific channels (Data Direct based) that MythTV is not auto detecting

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olds:

good question cardoe

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jarle__:

olds: I guess this is only available if there actually IS more than one audio track? (I don't know which channel I should test this on..)

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keith4:

Cardoe: if you're using zap2it, you can log in and check boxes of more channels to force the data into mythtv, iirc

[19:14:55]

olds:

jarle: correct

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TomTom:

good evening!

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olds:

the menu does not show up if there is not more than 1 audio track

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Cardoe:

keith4: the issue is Cox doesn't broadcast any info about the channel

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jarle__:

TomTom is back :)

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Cardoe:

so I have to manually link them

[19:15:29]

Cardoe:

the link is via the xmltvid

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TomTom:

i have a problem scanning for channels -> errormessage of mythtv-setup Failed to handle tune complete.

[19:15:42]

TomTom:

jarle__: i promised you

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Cardoe:

it's digital cable via QAM

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Cardoe:

so the normal analog stuff doesn't apply

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TomTom:

when i use dvbstream just to check if its working i get in the beginning "ERROR setting tone" ?

[19:22:41]

secross:

If anybody has luck converting this to mythtv, pleasre let me know. my channels.conf http://www.pastebin.ca/640879

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juski:

secross: just do another scan with the dvb utils like I already same

[19:24:13]

juski:

s/same/said

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Cardoe:

juski: know what tables all the dvb/qam stuff is stored in?

[19:25:08]

Cardoe:

dtv_multiplex, channels?

[19:25:13]

juski:

Cardoe: yeah

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Cardoe:

anything else?

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juski:

not that I'm aware of

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juski:

and keith4 you can't compile only the frontend

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secross:

thats alot of typing to do juski...

[19:26:40]

juski:

secross: for the last time. JUST USE THE DVB UTILS SCAN UTILITY

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keith4:

juski: i want to put mythtvosd on a box that doesn't have myth on it...

[19:27:23]

Super_Cat_Frog:

hi – ive got no audio with a pvrusb2 2400 device – any ideas? (or anywhere i could look to help myself?)

[19:27:31]

keith4:

i've been using mythudprelay, but i'd like to move to mythtvosd

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juski:

keith4: so er.. just copy the binaries?

[19:27:54]

keith4:

it depends on a bunch of libs though, doesn't it?

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juski:

maybe, maybe not. try it & find out

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keith4:

ok

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juski:

I can't see it depending on the other mythtv libs – all it does is broadcast packets

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keith4:

ugh

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keith4:

it wants a bunch of crap

[19:30:12]

keith4:

why does it need libfreetype?

[19:30:36]

juski:

keith4: I just did ldd on it too. wow!

[19:30:43]

juski:

no mythtv libs there though :)

[19:30:46]

keith4:

screw that

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keith4:

mp3lame? come on

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juski:

I suspect the linker is over-egging things a little ;)

[19:31:36]

keith4:

just a bit

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gpd:

my backend is crashing all the time :(

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gpd:

apart from installing the debug tools – how else can I analyse?

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gpd:

I removed all old shows that i thought might be causing a problem

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juski:

secross: the thing is – the channels.conf file you already have was produced by the DVB utils' scan utility right? Only when you ran it to produce that particular file you passed it an option to output a file compatible with VDR. this time when you run it, just don't tell it to produce a VDR file ;) It's *THAT* simple

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gpd:

there is nothing in the .xsession-errors or mythlog

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juski:

gpd: look in the backend log

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gpd:

nothing in there at all – just EIT events

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juski:

so enable verbose logging (usually by editing the init script) and restart it

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gpd:

ah – ok – that is what i wanted to hear :)

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juski:

most ready made init scripts enable only the barest of logging, if any

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jarle__:

Where in the settings do I select the OSD theme?

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juski:

tv playback settings

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juski:

not where I'd have put them but hey

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secross:

juski, wrongo :) it was built from vdr from the start. but i will try dvb-scan anyway.

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juski:

secross: screw you then!

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juski:

jesus. you try to help, be polite as you can, then the fack throws a cheek on you

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TomTom:

ok i found the solution... shame, really shame on me... i put the SAT cable which goes to the DVB-S card in the terrestial-antenna-IN plug instead into one of the SAT-outs.... shame shame shame

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TomTom:

its the fault of the multiswitch, not me ;)=

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Slyboots:

Hello

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Cry_wolf2:

bye

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jarle__:

juski: using blootube-wide, I do not get any visual feedback when I select cycle-menus like the entry for changing OSD-theme for example, however I can see that text/number input fields change colour when I select them. Is this the way it is supposed to be?

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juski:

what?

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juski:

ah. lemme see

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jarle__:

juski: in other words, I can not see which cycle-menu that is currently active...

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juski:

nah works fine here

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juski:

want proof?

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/blah.png

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TomTom:

any idea about this error message when doing complete channel scan ? -> DVBTuning Error: Invalid symbol rate parameter ''

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TomTom:

i could enter some number in symbolrate... but which value would be ok ?

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juski:

I'd not have let something like that slip by me

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jarle__:

juski: I do not get the frame around the "button", any idea why not?

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juski:

no idea

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juski:

when you hover the mouse pointer over a box the edges should change colour too

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juski:

maybe you've used a qt theme that doesn't agree with my theme. I hate qt

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juski:

I spend hours, days, weeks making spiffy UI graphics then qt comes along & draws crappy filled rectangles over it

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juski:

hang on – that guy is on cumcast & he's using dvb-s with loads of channels? I smell something fishy. his card's marked

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jarle__:

juski: My Qt was setup to use the same theme as my desktop, setting it to "Default" got your theme back to life :) Thanks for your tip..

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juski:

it only ever makes a slight difference to the look of popups & setup menus anyway – they can look crummy or differently crummy ;)

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TomTom:

any idea about this: MSqlQuery: SELECT sourceid, mplexid, sistandard, transportid FROM dtv_multiplex WHERE sourceid = 1 ........... SIScan(0): Unable to find any transports for sourceid 1

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TomTom:

how to get these "transports" ?

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jarle__:

I'm guessing there is a setting that will make the frontend go back to the last channel I was at when re-entering LiveTV? Where do I set that?

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the_bdquick:

iirc its in the general settings. channel to start on

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jarle__:

the_bdquick: can't seem to find it there...?

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jarle__:

the_bdquick: I know there is a setting in mythtv-setup where you can select the channel, but I want to configure it at the frontend...

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the_bdquick:

sorry I'm not in front of my box to look

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the_bdquick:

is it done yet?

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Slyboots:

Not quite..

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Slyboots:

Im at a loss as to whats wrong

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Slyboots:

I modprobed the modules, its showing up in Dmesg for the driver and frontend being loaded

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Slyboots:

Ran scan /mytransponder and it discovered a list of channels

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Caliban:

:se noai

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Caliban:

Agrajag-:se ai

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Slyboots:

But I just get ablank screen when I try to view live TV, and Channel Scan inside myth does not work

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Slyboots:

Running dvbtraffic, or dvbsnoop -pidscan does nothing

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TomTom:

last question for this evening, the plugins are required at frontend or backend ? or it depends ?

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rhollan:

anyone get SPDIF audio passthrough working on a VIA nanoITX board?

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GreyFoxx:

they execute on the frontend

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GreyFoxx:

aren't really required on the backend for the most part

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** the_bdquick knows nothing about dvb cards **

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TomTom:

GreyFoxx: hi again, thanks... got one of these S100... we will see :)

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TomTom:

GreyFoxx: including p'n's for 47 euro... not too much financial risk ;)

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Slyboots:

I think my head is going to explode -.-

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rhollan:

Ah! ALSAmixer to the rescue

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TomTom:

good night!

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Slyboots:

I dont understand what is wrong -.-!

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sphery:

xris: regarding the issue you were having earlier, did you try running (your wonderful script) optimize_mythdb.pl?

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Jenetik:

Anyone have a new sasc-ng or SoftCam.key for the recent key change? :D

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bill2or3:

how recent?

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Jenetik:

today

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bill2or3:

ah.

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Jenetik:

yours work?

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** bill2or3 didn't know. **

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bill2or3:

no idea, haven't touched it in a while.

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Jenetik:

is there a sasc-ng chat room?

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bill2or3:

probablly, somewhere. (but I dont know where)

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kormoc:

Jenetik, bill2or3, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IRC#Softcam

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kormoc:

speak of it again and you will be banned

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xris:

sphery: script didn't run because the new perl bindings require talking to the backend (I need to fix that), but I did it manually, no change.

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Jenetik:

yeah, I read that and disregarded it

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** bill2or3 regards it. **

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Jenetik:

heh

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xris:

I'm just going to take it as an opportunity to upgrade my mythbox to f-7

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sphery:

xris: good luck.

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laga:

jenetik is a really nice guy.

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laga:

</sarcasm>

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rhollan:

hmm I can't get SPDIF output with myth... receiver recognizes signal but no audio

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rhollan:

what to do?

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rhollan:

alsamixer does toggle SPDIF signal on and off

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laga:

rhollan: did you enable "spdif passthrough"

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rhollan:

laga: yes, but the signal is just strereo PCM

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rhollan:

does passtrhough work or only for DTS or AC3?

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laga:

oh

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laga:

hum

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laga:

you might fiddle with your asoundrc then. see the wiki about that

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rhollan:

yeah, looking at it now. Does the audio have to be 48 KHz? I have ripped CDs at 44.1 KHz I don't want to resample

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iamlindoro:

rhollan, I used to have an issue where pcm out through spdif didn't work unless it was at 100% volume

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iamlindoro:

in alsamixer

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rhollan:

iamlindoro: tried that

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iamlindoro:

ok, and the obvious one, in alsamixer PCM isn't muted (MM)?

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rhollan:

iamlindoro: no, analog output works fine

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iamlindoro:

And your receiver gets "lock," right? Just no sound?

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rhollan:

I am looking at the wiki now, and it's specific the the CN400 southbridge so I will try that?

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rhollan:

iamlindoro: correct. gets lock

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iamlindoro:

What's the app playing, mplayr, or internal?

[21:41:14]

iamlindoro:

er mplayer

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rhollan:

xine

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rhollan:

oh in myth internal

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rhollan:

but xine from command line doesn't help either

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iamlindoro:

ok, at least that minimizes the chances that its a myth problem

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iamlindoro:

if it also occurs in xine

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rhollan:

(My mythvbox has lots of Ubuntu on it, and I'm actually chatting from it now)

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rhollan:

also in xine

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iamlindoro:

hrm, you might mess with the sound control panel in X, perhaps a different audio backend would help

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iamlindoro:

but just throwing things out, don't expect it to work

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rhollan:

The wiki suggests a parameter to the snd-via82xx module in /etc/modules.

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rhollan:

where does the .asoundrc file go? ~mythtv/ ?

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iamlindoro:

just ~

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rhollan:

gonna try what the wiki suggests. Can I restart ALSA without rebooting when I change /etc/asound.conf

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fryfrog:

just restart alsa

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iamlindoro:

yes

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fryfrog:

service alsa restart, /etc/init.d/alsa restart, etc

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rhollan:

ALSA looks for /etc/asound.conf on Ubuntu (i.e. DEBIAN)

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rhollan:

?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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rhollan:

well the simple /etc/asound.conf fix didn't work

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iamlindoro:

asound.conf if you want it to be global, ~/.asoundrc if only for your user, I believe

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iamlindoro:

can you point at that wiki page?

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iamlindoro:

give a link?

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rhollan:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Asoundrc_Via_CN400

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rhollan:

I dunno if I have 0.20-fixes, perhaps just 0.20

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rhollan:

I will try the more involved fix on that page

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iamlindoro:

did you change the /etc/modules also? Because if so you may need to reload the modules too

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iamlindoro:

What you refer to as the more involved fix only applies to mythtv through .19

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iamlindoro:

only the section marked "News!" is .20

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rhollan:

iamlindoro: didn't try that with the simple fix.

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rhollan:

But will try and reload with the .asoundrc

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iamlindoro:

Page states that that is only for .19

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rhollan:

PAge states that new stuf is for 0.20-fixes I have 0.20

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k-man__:

morning all

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iamlindoro:

You installed from ubuntu repos?

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iamlindoro:

via apt?

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iamlindoro:

I believe the Ubuntu Repository is .20-fixes

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rhollan:

apt

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rhollan:

yes

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rhollan:

well, that didn't work

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rhollan:

either that or my receiver is hosed which would be a bad thing. Worked yesterday

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iamlindoro:

So PCM just spontaneously stopped working today?

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k-man__:

i'm getting a lot of errors like this ERROR when trying to autoexpire file: 202_20070714135757.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed.

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rhollan:

NO. never tried it from the myth box before.

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k-man__:

how can I remove the database meta data?

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rhollan:

It's a dandy: VIA nanoITX in a Silverstone case with 500GB of local content, and an 802.11n link to a master server driving a 24" HD Gateway display at 1920x1200

[21:57:09]

rhollan:

AH! had a typo in /etc/asound.conf. Works like a charm!

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iamlindoro:

hahah good

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fryfrog:

k-man__: "touch 202_20070714135757.mpg"

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fryfrog:

then it'll happily delete the empty file (and meta-data)

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k-man__:

fryfrog, but there is hundreds of entries like that

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fryfrog:

try the uh, script in contrib?

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iamlindoro:

then you've got a lot of typing to do

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rhollan:

Oh man, this is cool! I'm driving a pair of Bohlender Graebner Radia 520s via an Odyssey Audio Amp and an Outlaw Audio A/V preamp

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fryfrog:

like "find.orphans" or something?

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iamlindoro:

hahah

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fryfrog:

yeah, or you gots a lot of typing to do :)

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k-man__:

fryfrog, ah, ok

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fryfrog:

you *could* do it sort of smartishly

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fryfrog:

copy/paste the log to a text file, trim out all but the name (with search/replace)

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fryfrog:

then run that through a simple script

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fryfrog:

or single command

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iamlindoro:

grep *.mpgs into a file, then touch on the output

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fryfrog:

like 'touch `cat list-of-crap.txt`'

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rhollan:

I wonder if not resampling will work too

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fryfrog:

or "cat list-of-crap.txt | xargs touch

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k-man__:

fryfrog, yeah, ok

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k-man__:

i can do that

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rhollan:

gotta love xargs for those LOOOONG argument lists

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fryfrog:

gotta love monkeys too

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rhollan:

Monkey: "type this for ALL these files"

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rhollan:

he he

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Super_Cat_Frog:

hi – im getting crackly audio from a pvrusb – any ideas?

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juski:

I have an idea. it's broken

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Super_Cat_Frog:

hi – wrong command

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Super_Cat_Frog:

im having problems with crackly audio with a pvrusb2 – any ideas?

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rhollan:

O.K. time to get back to this stuff . Later, & thanks

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juski:

yeah it's broken, Super_Cat_Frog

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juski:

Super_Cat_Frog: seriously though try changing the audio sampling rate in your recording profiles, try a newer driver or change the firmware

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Super_Cat_Frog:

shall do, ta

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juski:

#199 – wtf is the guy on? can we please ban retards from making ticket comments?

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** olds reads **

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daum:

hi all so my frontend keeps saying it can't connect to the backend=\

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olds:

ok

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daum:

any ideas hrm it seems to ekep failing ont he backend

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olds:

is the backend running?

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daum:

http://rafb.net/p/PgqTzb82.html

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olds:

well

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daum:

hmm

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olds:

you need to setup a mythtv user

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olds:

for mysql

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daum:

one second new discoveries=)

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olds:

hence the "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)"

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juski:

might also want to check you've got the qt mysql client libraries – libqtmysql or something similar

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olds:

that too

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juski:

stopping by at www.mythtv.org & reading the docs could be a bonus aswell

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olds:

although if he's getting the database error as access denied, I think it should be installed

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juski:

</blasphemy>

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nixternal:

Hauppauge WinTV (44371) – would this be a decent card for a myth box? using directv via analog.

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olds:

I'd use a PVR150

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nixternal:

I would too, but this card is $20/free

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fryfrog:

framegrabbers suck, but if it is all you can afford to spring for that you can get it working

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fryfrog:

and free isn't bad :)

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nixternal:

ahh, well I can afford the pvr150 and that is the route I will go then..thanks for that fryfrog

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fryfrog:

What I did when I first started with Myth was to set it up with a couple framegrabbers I was using to keep my chair from rolling backwards

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fryfrog:

it at least kept me from spending $50+ only to find out I didn't *like* mythtv

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nixternal:

lol

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Super_Cat_Frog:

its still dodgy audio – ive read that the wm8775 module can cause cracklyness if its mixer option is incorrect, although my wm8775 wont take a mixer argument in modprobe, which is stange

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GreyFoxx:

Anyone here happen to know a way to may a firewire GUID to a specific firewire node, or if that;'s really possible ?

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GreyFoxx:

s/may/map

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xris:

GreyFoxx: huh? I thought the guid was specifically for that.

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xris:

sort of like a MAC address for firewire devices.

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GreyFoxx:

xris: For some reason if my system detects my device as node 1 I have problems, but node 0 works perfectly

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GreyFoxx:

and after a reboot it came up as node 1 when previously it was node 0

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: for, me, I have simliar issues

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GreyFoxx:

so I manually moved the cable, it was detected as node 0 and everything is fine again

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: To get my devices from node 1 -> 0, I just do a few firewire bus resets

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GreyFoxx:

this was a power off reboot

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fryfrog:

no, i mean "firewire_tester"

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fryfrog:

uh, -R?

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GreyFoxx:

Maybe this weekend I'll play with it to find out why it's not working as node1

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fryfrog:

it does a bus reset and after one or two of those, the device(s) will end up at node 0

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fryfrog:

don't ask me why :)

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GreyFoxx:

weird

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fryfrog:

course, mine still fail at about 50% ratge

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fryfrog:

i need to swap my DCT6412's for 6200s

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fryfrog:

maybe friday i'll goto their field office and see if they'll let me

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GreyFoxx:

other than this mine hasn't failed yet

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GreyFoxx:

and I've done many 50 recordings off it

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fryfrog:

not a single recording?

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GreyFoxx:

but this was the first power off reboot

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

I've got 2 firewire cards in my system because it seemed to work better on node 0 :(

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daum:

alright i'm trying to set up my mythbackend it reads from /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt right?

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GreyFoxx:

when It's more convenient I'll test it on node 1

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GreyFoxx:

but for now I just wanted it back as node 0 for tonights recordings :)

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daum:

if not where is it reading from i need to set its connection params

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xris:

GreyFoxx: the node shouldn't matter once you have the guid stuff put in.

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xris:

but try switching from p2p to broadcast/etc.

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xris:

and try the firewire_tester.c program

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Slyboots:

Right, has anyone here got any expericane working with the Nova-T series of cards?

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Slyboots:

I think mine is faulty, but its bloody *weird*

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rhollan:

FINALLY! My nano-ITX-based MythJukeHD box is DONE and working!

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Slyboots:

I can Scan for stations using hte 3rd party tools, and it detects them, great signals 98–100% range

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Slyboots:

But I cant *SEE* anything when I try to view TV

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Slyboots:

Just Blue/black screen

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cesman:

rhollan: how about posting details on the wiki and or mailing list for other?

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rhollan:

cesman: planning to do that!

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rhollan:

Basically Ubunto 7.04 + mediubuntu + myth for Ubuntu and the SPDIF tweak

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rhollan:

Er, UBUNTU

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rhollan:

nanoITX in a Silverstone LC08 case with a 500GB drive for local content (ripped DVDs and CDs)

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rhollan:

Backend server for TV

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rhollan:

802.11n (well-preN) dongle for wireless networking (getting 270 Mb/s) and can render 1080i in real time from the backend server

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