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Friday, July 27th, 2007, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:05] weaselhawk: if the programers dont hate the user then they will make it more easy
[00:00:15] Chicago: weaselhawk: Most people increment their skills... and then achieve their goals over time.
[00:00:28] weaselhawk: i have been working on it for 2 years
[00:00:30] weaselhawk: i am not lying
[00:00:33] weaselhawk: 2 years
[00:00:41] weaselhawk: at least 400 + installs
[00:00:50] weaselhawk: i know many people that have done 20+
[00:00:56] Chicago: weaselhawk: Don't you have TFM?
[00:01:16] weaselhawk: the manual only works on one of 10,000 combos
[00:01:34] weaselhawk: if you dont have same computer same remote same card so on
[00:01:44] weaselhawk: it does not work people give up you dont get feed back
[00:01:44] Chicago: weaselhawk: Now really, what do expect to come from your rhetoric? I'm from Indiana... and I know most people here could use a few lessons...
[00:01:56] Chicago: weaselhawk: But if you actually produce an error message, maybe we can help you.
[00:02:02] weaselhawk: i want to solve this problemn
[00:02:04] weaselhawk: for every one
[00:02:15] weaselhawk: not some one walk me step by step
[00:02:19] weaselhawk: i want to see a system
[00:02:20] Chicago: weaselhawk: Everyone doesn't have the same problem you do.
[00:02:27] weaselhawk: that you plug it in it works
[00:02:29] Chicago: weaselhawk: Use Gentoo if you want a system.
[00:02:35] weaselhawk: yes they do you dont hear about it
[00:02:47] weaselhawk: debian
[00:02:59] keith4_: mmm, debian
[00:03:02] Chicago: weaselhawk: They are nobody then... unless they either are motivated to do it or find someone to show them...
[00:03:33] weaselhawk: i have friends in a elctronic shop in china
[00:03:37] weaselhawk: tell me what to make
[00:03:40] weaselhawk: i want this working
[00:03:43] Chicago: weaselhawk: Do you think open source is possible without having people with the background and understanding to make it useful?
[00:03:53] weaselhawk: yes
[00:04:06] weaselhawk: but what if open source was still open and making money
[00:04:09] weaselhawk: but still open
[00:04:25] weaselhawk: that will never happen if joe blow redneck cant use a remote
[00:04:36] Chicago: weaselhawk: Well, the way it works is... the people who are capable of demonstrating the open source software... usually help other people get to where they're at.
[00:05:21] Chicago: weaselhawk: Joe blow redneck can't even count to three... or set his VCR clock. Why do you think he gets the privilege of understanding technology just because he wants his remote working?
[00:05:43] weaselhawk: that attitude is only holding everything back
[00:05:57] weaselhawk: think of a microsucks free world
[00:06:11] Chicago: weaselhawk: My guess is your just pissed because mythtv doesn't work out of the box for you.
[00:06:22] weaselhawk: no mythtv works great
[00:06:32] weaselhawk: not one issue with myth
[00:06:49] weaselhawk: well it sucks to get up and change the channels
[00:06:53] Chicago: Then you're going to need to read the man pages and docs for lirc.
[00:07:15] weaselhawk: i have read the ubuntu ones the debian ones the lirc ones the mytv ones
[00:07:25] weaselhawk: each one is different and for different systems
[00:07:34] weaselhawk: i have never see the code laid out
[00:07:47] weaselhawk: that is a complete manual of every step you know
[00:08:06] weaselhawk: so if the setup is not one of the few that works then your out of luck
[00:08:14] Chicago: weaselhawk: The documentation for the lirc modules is exactly everything needed to setup the directives in the configuration files.
[00:08:23] weaselhawk: when it works
[00:08:30] weaselhawk: when it does what is it suposed to do
[00:08:37] weaselhawk: but they are very vage
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[00:08:38] Chicago: You have such a piss poor attitude
[00:08:48] Chicago: Maybe people don't help you because they don't want your stupid ass coming back.
[00:08:50] weaselhawk: well i have spent 2 years working on this
[00:09:06] weaselhawk: do you want every one to stop using myth
[00:09:14] weaselhawk: or do you want people to use it
[00:09:18] Chicago: I don't care what everyone else does.
[00:09:20] weaselhawk: do you just want it for yourself
[00:09:31] weaselhawk: then why are you working on it
[00:09:33] Chicago: I only care that what I do works for me under my control.
[00:09:51] weaselhawk: do you work for mythtv
[00:09:58] weaselhawk: can i quote you on that
[00:10:13] Chicago: I'm not working on it... I don't even have TV and haven't had TV for the last 4 months. I just started using myth again today to checkout the mythweather plugin in the lastest 13987 SVN build.
[00:11:23] weaselhawk: your just a irc whore ass hole then
[00:12:06] jams: weaselhawk- watch the language
[00:12:15] jsn: i can fix my problem by unsetting externalcommand then selecting channel 31, then resetting externalcommand, anyone else fix this somehow?
[00:12:21] Chicago: weaselhawk: perhaps... but then again, I'm not crying about being less fortunate then those who can follow directions.
[00:12:38] weaselhawk: that have the same set up
[00:13:06] weaselhawk: ahhh lets all jup on the new guy
[00:14:00] Chicago: weaselhawk: You've spent so much time bitching, you could have probably had a few experts look at your problem by now... but NOOoooo you're too busy telling us how you feel about your failure.
[00:14:18] weaselhawk: i want like 25 people to have it
[00:14:32] weaselhawk: i am trying to tell the experts that it is not working
[00:14:35] weaselhawk: it is to hard
[00:14:42] weaselhawk: that 99% of the people dont get it
[00:16:02] jams: jsn whats the problem?
[00:16:16] jsn: well
[00:16:27] jsn: as i have sky plugged in via av cable
[00:16:29] Chicago: Well... this channel is here for mythtv-users.... I wouldn't guess it's also here for "not mythtv-users".
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[00:16:53] jsn: when i have externalchannel set, when i reboot
[00:16:59] weaselhawk: mythtv would get like one million new users in a week if the remote worked
[00:17:00] jsn: i can never get to channel21
[00:17:04] jsn: 31
[00:17:06] jsn: first
[00:17:09] jsn: to get a picture
[00:17:24] weaselhawk: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote
[00:17:26] jsn: because /usr/local/bin/channelchange is called
[00:17:34] Chicago: weaselhawk: They're other features that don't work too, you know.
[00:17:38] weaselhawk: if you flowy that page
[00:17:47] jsn: any ideas jams
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[00:18:29] weaselhawk: i have done that page in every possible combination
[00:18:31] Chicago: weaselhawk: I'd probably start here if I had a problem. http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_LIRC
[00:18:32] jsn: problem is i have to select the tunned in channel first
[00:18:35] jams: jsn, not really you kinda lost me
[00:18:59] jsn: channel31 is the tunned in channel to get sky
[00:19:05] jsn: so i only have one channel
[00:19:09] jsn: to see sky
[00:19:14] jams: ok
[00:19:24] jsn: to actually change sky channels i have 800 dummy ones
[00:19:39] Chicago: weaselhawk: Gentoo really is the easiest co-operating system to install and configure.
[00:19:44] jams: ok
[00:20:00] jsn: but i have to set externalchannel change option
[00:20:09] weaselhawk: i have never seen a link at lirc or mythtv or ubuntu or on google linking to that page
[00:20:23] jsn: to make it change to the dummy ones by using usb-rf thing
[00:20:29] jsn: but once that is set
[00:20:33] jsn: when i reboot
[00:20:36] weaselhawk: o good a new page to spend hundreds of hours on
[00:20:38] Chicago: weaselhawk: Plus, look how old the documentation is... they're referencing a 2.6.10 kernel... which was forever ago. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remo . . . .282.6.10.29
[00:20:58] weaselhawk: that was the page i put up
[00:20:58] jsn: and it tries to got to channel31 to get the picture, it calls the script which does nothing
[00:21:08] weaselhawk: that dont work on any possble combination
[00:21:16] weaselhawk: i have do it with each driver
[00:21:28] Chicago: weaselhawk: Yeah, I know it's the page you put up... I'm showing you the reference docs are ages old... from the kernel v2.6.10 era.
[00:21:29] weaselhawk: and each combination in debian and susi and ubuntu
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[00:21:45] weaselhawk: that is what myth points you to
[00:21:59] jsn: i suppose i should use svideo rather than av cable
[00:22:11] Chicago: weaselhawk: Just install gentoo and then 'emerge lirc'.
[00:22:13] jams: svideo vs av shouldn't matter
[00:22:33] weaselhawk: then my card will not work
[00:22:39] weaselhawk: like it does in ubuntu
[00:22:43] weaselhawk: listen to that
[00:22:48] hads: Define AV cable
[00:22:49] Chicago: weaselhawk: WTF are you talking about, do you use IVTV?
[00:23:04] hads: But yes, it shouldn't matter.
[00:23:09] weaselhawk: ivtv
[00:23:28] weaselhawk: in 7.04 the pvr 150 works
[00:23:31] jsn: RF cable
[00:23:33] jsn: is that right
[00:23:42] weaselhawk: first system i found that the pvr 150 works in
[00:23:52] weaselhawk: now in knoppx myth the remote works
[00:23:58] weaselhawk: you dont even have to touch it
[00:24:03] weaselhawk: but the card does not work
[00:24:13] weaselhawk: no setup in knoppx myth
[00:24:19] Chicago: weaselhawk: Have you been using the same version of IVTV for the last 2 years? I have the Hauppauge MCE-150 x2... and am running a v.2.6.21 kernel and ivtv-0.10.5
[00:24:19] weaselhawk: see what i am talking about
[00:24:36] jsn: problem is i have to select the channel31 to get a sky picture, but once externalchannel change is set it calls the script instead
[00:24:54] weaselhawk: i dont know in ubuntu there is no install you dont have to think about ivtv myth just works
[00:24:57] jsn: maybe i need to get the script to go to channel31 then call the usb-rf thing
[00:24:58] jams: jsn by rf do you mean coax?
[00:25:02] jsn: yep
[00:25:09] weaselhawk: straight to the mythtv backend setup
[00:25:19] jams: i see
[00:25:19] Chicago: weaselhawk: No, I don't see what you're talking about... it must not "Just work" in Ubuntu otherwise you'd be happy by now.
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[00:25:29] jams: so the tuner on the card needs to be set to 31
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[00:25:31] weaselhawk: well the remote does not work
[00:25:35] jsn: yep
[00:25:45] jams: thought there was an option for that, one moment
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[00:26:07] Chicago: weaselhawk: Dump the other crap that doesn't work for you... start with an operating system using latest IVTV... and then install lirc... then install myth... then configure myth.
[00:26:10] weaselhawk: once the remote works then the people will be able to use mythtv
[00:26:17] weaselhawk: and people are getting tired of waiting
[00:26:40] jsn: yeah but once externalchannel change is set, it uses that rather than the normal changing channel way
[00:26:41] weaselhawk: then my card will not work right
[00:26:56] weaselhawk: and i will spend a day reinstalling ubuntu mythtv and so on
[00:27:01] Chicago: weaselhawk: Waiting for what you incessant rambling negative boob?
[00:27:11] weaselhawk: do you not get it
[00:27:22] weaselhawk: that no one is getting the remote to work
[00:27:25] Chicago: weaselhawk: Not only does Myth work perfectly using IVTV using the same hardware you have... but it's been working successfully with that hardware for years.
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[00:27:49] ben_goodger: heh
[00:28:01] ben_goodger: oh, dear, I think this person is actually attempting to do this commercially
[00:28:02] weaselhawk: bull my friend randell wrote the first mag arrticle on mythtv and he cant get the remote to work
[00:28:07] weaselhawk: this is feed back
[00:28:18] weaselhawk: for some reason the people at mythtv and lirc
[00:28:20] ben_goodger: oh, no, I'm wrong
[00:28:21] weaselhawk: dont get it
[00:28:21] Chicago: weaselhawk: That's hearsay.
[00:28:26] weaselhawk: no it is not
[00:28:42] weaselhawk: i would gess it is like only 2 % that get the remote working
[00:28:44] jams: jsn, so you want to be able to use the card tuner and skybox ?
[00:28:50] weaselhawk: that is a 99 % loss of users
[00:29:00] weaselhawk: what could be more important to a tv than a remote
[00:29:02] ben_goodger: weaselhawk: 100–2 = 98, not 99
[00:29:14] jams: suppose it could be done, but it would cause scheduling problems.
[00:29:14] Chicago: weaselhawk: There is always the telnet interface on the backend for the remote... I already told you I can use my blackberry to control mythtv.... the latency isn't even that bad considering the number of networks involved in the transaction.
[00:29:16] weaselhawk: true but i am right
[00:29:28] jsn: not sure i am explaining right
[00:29:37] ben_goodger: learn basic maths before smearing an entire project based on what you've managed to achieve with canonical's rubbish
[00:29:39] jsn: sky picture is seen on the card tunner
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[00:29:49] jsn: once the channel is found after scanning
[00:29:56] jams: right
[00:30:02] jsn: channel31 = sky
[00:30:05] jams: right
[00:30:10] Chicago: weaselhawk: You also never hear from the people who have it working.
[00:30:21] kormoc: weaselhawk, the MCE USB remote is rather braindead easy to setup. We have example configs for lircd and myth, drop those two in place and it works
[00:30:23] jams: aside from channel 31, do you care about any of the other channels?
[00:30:31] jsn: well
[00:30:32] jsn: at the mo
[00:30:34] kormoc: assuming your distro ships the lirc_mceusb2 driver
[00:30:39] jams: nonsky channels
[00:30:59] jsn: i have 800 dummy ones, when i select a channel it calls a script
[00:31:03] jams: the snapstream remote also drops right in
[00:31:12] weaselhawk: player@player-desktop:~$ irw
[00:31:13] weaselhawk: 0000000000000002 00 up lircd.conf
[00:31:13] weaselhawk: 0000000000000002 00 up lircd.conf
[00:31:14] weaselhawk: 0000000000000002 00 up lircd.conf
[00:31:16] weaselhawk: 0000000000000002 01 up lircd.conf
[00:31:18] weaselhawk: 0000000000000002 00 up lircd.conf
[00:31:20] weaselhawk: 0000000000000002 00 up lircd.conf
[00:31:22] weaselhawk: 0000000000000002 01 up lircd.conf
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[00:31:32] ben_goodger: where the bloody hell is the anti-flood bot?
[00:31:34] jams: jsn right i got that
[00:31:40] kormoc: ben_goodger, I was almost there...
[00:31:45] kormoc: weaselhawk, don't flood or you will be kicked
[00:31:47] ben_goodger: :D
[00:31:58] jsn: because it overrides the normal channel changing feature
[00:31:59] kormoc: weaselhawk, use a pastebin in the future
[00:32:00] jsn: so
[00:32:05] jsn: when the box is rebooted
[00:32:08] ** ben_goodger christens kormoc Acting Anti-Flood Bot **
[00:32:09] weaselhawk: ahh
[00:32:11] jsn: and i want to see sky
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[00:32:24] jsn: first i must select channel31
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[00:32:49] jsn: but i cannot as the feature is changed
[00:33:55] weaselhawk: #########MythTV######################
[00:33:55] weaselhawk: begin
[00:33:55] weaselhawk: prog = mythtv
[00:34:04] Chicago: PASTE BIN
[00:34:07] kormoc: weaselhawk, *DON't FLOOD*
[00:34:25] weaselhawk: lircrc.mceusb
[00:34:47] ben_goodger: kick it, kormoc, or else we're doomed to forty lines
[00:35:17] Chicago: un sis un sis un sis ..... you gotta kick it .... un sis un sis un sis \o/
[00:35:25] jams: jsn under mythtv-setup in the input-connections
[00:35:32] weaselhawk: why dont you all just drop the attitude and make it work so you can back in the glory of having millions use mythtv
[00:35:41] weaselhawk: this is a huge problem not a small one
[00:35:53] ** ben_goodger screams – kick the bastard! **
[00:36:02] weaselhawk: money cant even buy it
[00:36:02] jams: edit the tuner, there is a field called "preset tuner to channel"
[00:36:06] jams: set that to 31
[00:36:07] Chicago: weaselhawk: Your mom
[00:36:22] keith4_: who is this idiot?
[00:36:24] jams: jsn it's right under the external change command
[00:36:30] kormoc: weaselhawk, let me put it to you this way, MythTV is a application *by* developers *for* developers, we don't care about getting everyone to use it or what not
[00:36:30] ben_goodger: keith4: nobody is entirely sure
[00:36:40] weaselhawk: well they made mythtv work
[00:36:46] weaselhawk: why not make the remote work
[00:36:49] weaselhawk: i dont get it
[00:36:55] keith4_: buy a wireless keyboard and shut up
[00:36:58] weaselhawk: yes i am idiot as you say
[00:36:59] kormoc: weaselhawk, the remote *does* work, you just need to work at it
[00:37:10] jams: jsn setting that will set your tunner to 31, and still allow you to use the externel script
[00:37:29] kormoc: weaselhawk, and by not following the channel rules, you're not making friends, and friends are the ones who would help you
[00:37:31] weaselhawk: then it will die like BeOs and oberon
[00:37:33] weaselhawk: and so on
[00:37:38] kormoc: weaselhawk, we don't really care
[00:37:39] Chicago: weaselhawk: Plus, I'm going to start acting like a child soon too if you can't man up and just ask technical questions.
[00:37:45] kormoc: weaselhawk, it works for us, that's enough
[00:37:48] keith4_: oh, he's complaining that lircd sucks?
[00:37:52] kormoc: keith4, aye
[00:37:56] keith4_: that has nothing to do with mythtv
[00:37:57] Chicago: weaselhawk: BeOs died because it was on a 166MHz platform.
[00:38:08] keith4_: i assume someone pointed that out?
[00:38:09] jsn: i have tried that jams
[00:38:13] weaselhawk: yes but BeOs worked
[00:38:14] jsn: it is no good
[00:38:29] keith4_: i bet he has a collection of Beta tapes, too
[00:38:29] jsn: with external script set, and with 31 in that field
[00:38:30] Chicago: weaselhawk: BeOs still works.
[00:38:36] weaselhawk: i know at least two rich guy that want mythtv
[00:38:38] kormoc: weaselhawk, myth works. I have the MCEUSB keyboard, mouse, and ir blaster, works quite well with some small configuration
[00:38:42] jsn: it still calls script for 31
[00:38:44] kormoc: weaselhawk, why does that matter? it's free
[00:38:48] weaselhawk: how can money make the remote work
[00:38:51] rooaus: weaselhawk: Have you asked one direct question yet about how to get LIRC working? Have you described the error that is stopping LIRC working? If not p***off!
[00:38:54] weaselhawk: i am serious
[00:38:56] weaselhawk: how much
[00:39:02] weaselhawk: 10,000 would that does
[00:39:03] weaselhawk: it
[00:39:14] Chicago: weaselhawk: Maybe you should just go.
[00:39:18] kormoc: weaselhawk, remote does work, you need to learn how to configure it, tis all
[00:39:23] ben_goodger: 10,000 what?
[00:39:26] jams: jsn, well if i understand your problem it should have worked =)
[00:39:28] weaselhawk: cash
[00:39:33] weaselhawk: to mythtv donations
[00:39:39] kormoc: weaselhawk, myth doesn't take donations
[00:39:40] weaselhawk: would that make it work
[00:39:47] weaselhawk: does lirc
[00:39:48] jams: jsn, moving to svideo would get right of this problem as you don't have to worry about the channel being set on the tuner
[00:39:51] ben_goodger: sterling, USD, yen?
[00:39:56] kormoc: weaselhawk, it works with lirc and myth
[00:40:03] weaselhawk: for you
[00:40:03] kormoc: weaselhawk, how many times do I have to tell you that?
[00:40:08] weaselhawk: for the people you help
[00:40:10] weaselhawk: so on
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[00:40:16] kormoc: weaselhawk, and it would work for you if you configurated it
[00:40:17] weaselhawk: but when your there setting it up
[00:40:18] tjcarter: hey all
[00:40:20] ben_goodger: weaselhawk: if you don't stop bleating that mythtv needs to be shrinkwrapped or else it will never be commercially viable, which is what I think you're going to say next, then I will be forced to come to your house, bind and gag you and tape your eyes open while I read through a megaphone an inch from your ear every piece of open-source software philosophy literature I can find
[00:40:24] weaselhawk: and you have the new remote
[00:40:26] weaselhawk: forget it
[00:40:36] weaselhawk: i did not say that
[00:40:40] kormoc: weaselhawk, ooh? I just helped write the driver for the keyboard when it didn't work, tis all
[00:40:40] jams: jsn, also make sure mythtbackend is not running when you make those changes
[00:40:43] weaselhawk: i am saying that the elite attitude
[00:40:53] weaselhawk: will make people turn there backs on you
[00:41:03] weaselhawk: i am trying to help
[00:41:04] jsn: ok will try this
[00:41:06] kormoc: weaselhawk, incase you haven't noticed, most people here *want* you to leave
[00:41:07] weaselhawk: money would make it help
[00:41:08] Chicago: weaselhawk: If you act like a child you will be treated like a child... simple enough.
[00:41:11] jsn: thanks jams for ur help
[00:41:11] kormoc: weaselhawk, no it won't
[00:41:17] kormoc: weaselhawk, money isn't important in the least
[00:41:23] tjcarter: does anyone by chance know enough Linux firewire API to tell me what I need to change for sa3250ch to allow me to reference a specific cable box rather than any it finds?
[00:41:26] kormoc: weaselhawk, and if you don't stop talking bout it, you'll be kicked
[00:41:28] jams: jsn..sure hopefully svideo works for you
[00:41:33] weaselhawk: am i talking to a bunch of commy anrchy freaks
[00:41:33] tjcarter: I have the prospect of using two of them =D
[00:41:48] kormoc: weaselhawk, all you needed to do is explain your issue and ask for help, not this shit
[00:41:49] weaselhawk: i want to see mythtv work
[00:41:57] weaselhawk: ok
[00:42:03] weaselhawk: i plug in the remote
[00:42:04] rooaus: weaselhawk: PEBKAU ;)
[00:42:07] tjcarter: I cannot use MythTV's own controller for it because I need to send the numbers one at a time..
[00:42:08] weaselhawk: and it does not work
[00:42:14] kormoc: weaselhawk, first, did you read the documentation?
[00:42:27] tjcarter: else it changes to odd channels =D
[00:42:27] ben_goodger: weaselhawk: go hire someone for £10,000 and get them to fix the code. it's open-source, so
[00:42:30] weaselhawk: the most simple port scanner can tell what it is looking at
[00:42:32] ben_goodger: it'll be legal
[00:42:33] weaselhawk: what not the remote
[00:43:05] kormoc: weaselhawk, there's documentation for the MCE remotes on the wiki going over what *YOU* need to do to get it working
[00:43:06] weaselhawk: i could put mythtv in the school harmony
[00:43:15] weaselhawk: i could put it in the bike project
[00:43:23] weaselhawk: i could use it for the farmers market
[00:43:26] kormoc: weaselhawk, shut up about that shit, we don't care
[00:43:31] Chicago: weaselhawk: wait for help in #gentoo-paid-support
[00:43:33] weaselhawk: i could use it to help the homeless
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[00:43:44] weaselhawk: but the people that write it just dont care
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[00:43:48] weaselhawk: i see that now
[00:44:21] tjcarter: I can use MythTV to veg in front of bad SciFi.
[00:44:44] tjcarter: rotting my brain cells while MSTing Painkiller Jane.
[00:44:50] hads: heh, was that guy still here.
[00:45:02] kormoc: hads, yeah, he's still here, next time is a kickban not just a kick :P
[00:45:13] weaselhawk: is there one person in this room that is working on mythtv
[00:45:15] hads: :)
[00:45:31] kormoc: weaselhawk, yes, the people with +v do
[00:45:32] Chicago: Ooops I meant to promote #mythtv-paid-support, sorry.
[00:46:02] tjcarter: kormoc: you done abusing the user types enough to offer pointers for the creation of a small but useful patch?  ;)
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[00:46:10] Chicago: weaselhawk: Also, just about EVERYONE here has installed myth already.
[00:46:10] jams: alright..whos the guy with Administrator as a nick
[00:46:30] tjcarter: haha jams
[00:46:31] kormoc: tjcarter, heh, depends on the area your patching :)
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[00:47:40] jams: heh
[00:47:42] weaselhawk: ok here is one thing i am talking about the lircrc.mceusb
[00:47:42] tjcarter: kormoc: One of two--either MythTV needs to learn to optionally send Scientific Atlanta 3250HD channel codes one digit at a time (the contrib tool can do this) or the contrib tool needs to learn how to talk to just one box at a time.
[00:47:49] weaselhawk: there is not file telling you how it works
[00:47:51] weaselhawk: nothing
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[00:47:58] tjcarter: kormoc: I have a PVR-500, and dammit, I'm going to make it not suck.
[00:47:59] weaselhawk: just one line telling you to use that file
[00:48:07] weaselhawk: nothing that explanes it
[00:48:10] rooaus: weaselhawk: LIRC (and myth) is extremely well documented. The documentation is written in a little appreciated documentation language/s, C/C++, it has the added advantage of automatically being kept up to date with the application.
[00:48:25] kormoc: weaselhawk, return is not valid punction and repeating yourself doesn't help
[00:48:36] tjcarter: kormoc: My cable co offers SA1850 and SA3250HD boxes..
[00:48:41] kormoc: weaselhawk, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote
[00:49:06] kormoc: tjcarter, so if the contrib util already does it, what do you want to patch?
[00:49:17] weaselhawk: i have done that page with ever single possible path
[00:49:21] weaselhawk: like a maze
[00:49:29] weaselhawk: and not one way on that page works
[00:49:31] tjcarter: kormoc: the contrib unit cannot be addressed.
[00:49:41] tjcarter: kormoc: I want to be able to have two of these things.
[00:49:45] kormoc: weaselhawk, then you screwed something up
[00:49:56] weaselhawk: or there is something missing
[00:50:01] kormoc: tjcarter, gotcha
[00:50:06] Chicago: weaselhawk: Those are just the build options for lirc... you can tell it what hardware to build support in for.... which is why I recommended Gentoo to you quite a few times... because you can just specify your hardware in an /etc/make.conf and you'll be all set.
[00:50:32] tjcarter: kormoc: it's a braindead simple patch, I'm sure, provided you know the API. I do not. =)
[00:50:35] weaselhawk: then i have to learn gentoo and learn how to get mythtv working on that
[00:50:48] weaselhawk: that could take a few years
[00:51:02] tjcarter: weaselhawk: it's called KnoppMyth
[00:51:03] Chicago: weaselhawk: At least you probably haven't pissed off the people in #gentoo already, you probably won't have to change your nick to find help there...
[00:51:04] weaselhawk: this is realy what the average person goes to get it
[00:51:09] kormoc: weaselhawk, copy the file you got from lirc.org to /etc/lircd.conf and the file you got from myth into ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[00:51:12] weaselhawk: knoppmyth the remote works
[00:51:14] tjcarter: weaselhawk: failing that, it's called Mythdora.
[00:51:18] weaselhawk: but nvidian dont
[00:51:21] kormoc: weaselhawk, myth isn't ment for the average person
[00:51:24] weaselhawk: and the pvr150 does not
[00:51:26] weaselhawk: yes it is
[00:51:29] weaselhawk: for the people
[00:51:38] weaselhawk: open what good is closed open source
[00:51:51] tjcarter: failing that, it's called copy the damned KnoppMyth config files over to Gentoo.
[00:51:57] weaselhawk: closed cause it was made hard on purpose
[00:52:01] weaselhawk: that is greed
[00:52:05] Chicago: weaselhawk: Your poor use of written English is making it horribly difficult for us not to hate you.
[00:52:21] weaselhawk: i am disable i have add and dslesia
[00:52:30] kormoc: Chicago, how bout the user name of 'Player' ?
[00:52:32] Chicago: weaselhawk: God must not like you either.
[00:52:32] weaselhawk: o ya i could set it up and the school
[00:52:39] weaselhawk: the dslexic school
[00:52:39] Chicago: kormoc: I saw that... hehe
[00:52:42] tjcarter: okay, kormoc, please forgive me in advance...
[00:52:57] weaselhawk: i could make mythtv the main tv in my town
[00:53:17] weaselhawk: you dont see that 10 pages of code to get a remote working is unreal
[00:53:22] kormoc: tjcarter, hrm, I'm actually not familiar with that area of code, but I'm sure if you asked nicely on the -dev mailing list, someone would be able to help you
[00:53:42] tjcarter: weaselhawk: look, reject. I am LEGALLY BLIND. Moreover, I am also dyslexic and have ADHD. If I have no excuse to be a fool, then you definitely have no excuse to be a total moron.
[00:53:42] weaselhawk: and when it only works if you have same software and hard ware as the install page
[00:54:02] weaselhawk: i am not the moron here you dont get it
[00:54:05] tjcarter: weaselhawk: whine about your pansy-ass disability elsewhere.
[00:54:08] weaselhawk: there is millions of people trying
[00:54:09] weaselhawk: to use
[00:54:09] weaselhawk: it
[00:54:11] weaselhawk: millions
[00:54:17] weaselhawk: having the same problem as me
[00:54:23] tjcarter: because there are people in this world who have real issues, willful ignorance not among them.
[00:54:26] weaselhawk: and yoursitting there saying piss off
[00:54:29] kormoc: weaselhawk, return is not valid punctuation, stop using it as such
[00:54:34] weaselhawk: why dont you say here you go
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[00:54:38] weaselhawk: then take the ride
[00:54:46] weaselhawk: not just sit in a room all by yourself
[00:54:55] weaselhawk: you dont want it to work
[00:54:56] kormoc: weaselhawk, stop it or you will be banned
[00:54:59] weaselhawk: money does not help
[00:55:07] Chicago: weaselhawk: Even though I'd hate to work with you, I'll take your money and get you setup if you're interested in doing it right now.
[00:55:08] weaselhawk: i have money to work with if i can get it working
[00:55:12] tjcarter: Your disability, if it can be called such, is that you refuse to attempt to learn. Linux is free if your time has no value. Your time is apparently too valuable for it. Buy a Mac.
[00:55:28] weaselhawk: ok make it so you plug it in and it works
[00:55:30] weaselhawk: how much
[00:55:35] weaselhawk: on every remote
[00:55:40] weaselhawk: on every reciver
[00:55:47] kormoc: weaselhawk, take it private...
[00:55:53] Chicago: weaselhawk: You're gonna get banned by kormoc if you keep hitting return.
[00:56:15] tjcarter: kormoc: please don't encourage him to do that? =)
[00:56:31] ** tjcarter goes back to configuring his SA3250HD. **
[00:56:45] weaselhawk: why do you hate some one having a problem telling you about millions of people haveing the same one
[00:56:58] rooaus: weaselhawk: In all seriousness, you are putting the cart before the horse. You can't blame the myth devs if *you* haven't got LIRC working first.
[00:56:59] weaselhawk: why not be the stage coach driver
[00:57:13] Chicago: weaselhawk: Look, either ask a direction question about a problem you're having... or never come back here again... which is it?
[00:57:15] weaselhawk: mythtv is the new web page
[00:57:21] weaselhawk: it will put web pages out
[00:57:28] weaselhawk: but not if the remote dont work
[00:57:38] weaselhawk: mythtv could put microsucks out
[00:57:44] weaselhawk: but not if the remote does not work
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[00:59:02] kormoc: hopefully he'll be saner next time...
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[00:59:23] Chicago: You know... in all seriousness... maybe myth needs a better "pre-flight check" in regards to the remote... Something useful like "here's your problem."
[00:59:38] kormoc: I agree that it's not the best, but he was just crazy
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[01:00:20] rooaus: duck
[01:00:22] Chicago: Shit...I was just getting ready to talk crap about you.
[01:01:10] weaselhawk: i am only the start there is millions of people fed up with mythtv remotes
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[01:01:20] weaselhawk: they will leave you soon like leasure suit larry
[01:01:29] Chicago: weaselhawk: Did you try praying for the remote to work?
[01:01:34] kormoc: weaselhawk, you'll be banned for longer if you continue to bitch
[01:02:44] Chicago: How many ping floods does it take to slow down a residential chatter?
[01:02:49] weaselhawk: i am not bitching i am telling you that there is at least 100 people in my town that want it to work now mulitpy that buy all the towns then think of the number of users hell if you think about it and want to hate the users then make the remote work and then you can write a trojan to look at there home movies
[01:02:50] weaselhawk: is all
[01:03:34] rooaus: Chicago: DDOS?
[01:03:45] weaselhawk: chicago try hping2 -d33333333333333333 192.*.*.* if you dont hit a ids that is closed or a optical lockout
[01:03:53] weaselhawk: i would nmap first
[01:04:24] Chicago: rooaus: gosh there are 172 here... and probably a few dozen on big pipes that are listening right now
[01:04:24] weaselhawk: or in hping you would try to fragment a packet
[01:05:29] weaselhawk: but i think you are right good point mythtv will never be safe hell it leaks all kinds of info
[01:05:41] weaselhawk: i shoud get rid of it and go back to all console
[01:05:49] kormoc: weaselhawk, so leave
[01:05:59] rooaus: Chicago: mmm... probably wouldn't be right. Would it? ;)
[01:06:24] Chicago: rooaus: I don't know howto unleash hell yet... so I'm up for the practice. :)
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[01:08:10] Chicago: Dude was that just like the price is right or did changing the topic to his IP make him quit?
[01:08:36] kormoc: Chicago, don't feed the trolls
[01:09:48] Chicago: So, I just tried for the first time today the 0.21_p13987 mythtv-overlay.
[01:09:58] Chicago: I like it so far because everything compiled.
[01:10:19] Chicago: I did get a segfault though with the visualizations in MythMusic.
[01:10:23] hads: It's not often that trunk doesn't compile.
[01:11:00] Chicago: I think it's something todo with X11 and my Nvidia Linux Kernel Driver improperly mapping the memory from my vga controller.
[01:12:04] rooaus: Chicago: mythtv-overlay? Is this frame buffer related?
[01:12:31] Chicago: The other issue I'm having is with one of the perl modules in mythweather. So since I'm on Gentoo, I started a 'perl-cleaner reallyall' and I'm waiting to see if that fixes the mythweather problem.
[01:12:55] kormoc: Chicago, mythweather is known broken, and not gonna be fixed anytime soon
[01:13:24] Chicago: rooaus: Actually, mythtv-overlay is used on Gentoo to get the SVN version installed... using the default package management system, you can get something like version 0.21_p13300 or so...
[01:13:54] kormoc: Chicago, only for some people... I roll my own svn ebuilds, and there's a pile of people that use them instead
[01:13:56] Chicago: rooaus: But, with cardoe's overlay you can get the latest SVN... mythtv-overlay is just the name given to the collection of ebuilds used to install everything properly.
[01:14:37] Chicago: kormoc: Oh. Is the mythweather broken because the msn provider and weather.com provider stopped providing data?
[01:14:43] kormoc: yup
[01:14:47] Chicago: kormoc: GAY
[01:14:49] rooaus: Chicago: Ah, I was wondering if I missed something, didnlt realise you were a Gentoo user. lol
[01:15:48] Chicago: kormoc: So, wouldn't using Yahoo be the next best thing? Are we expected to just make it work by fooling user agents and things like that?
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[01:16:17] kormoc: Chicago, they're rewriting the entire plugin to support user data grabbing scripts and the like, to prevent rewrites being required in the future
[01:16:28] kormoc: Chicago, but it's a decently large project, hence still broken
[01:17:00] Chicago: kormoc: Well the new "screens" and "sources" and the interface are brand new to me from what I saw in the p133xx builds in ~x86 portage.
[01:17:10] Chicago: Looks like a cool project.
[01:17:16] Chicago: I do have a serious question though.
[01:17:50] olds: the remote took me about 2 hours to setup
[01:17:58] ** olds shrugs **
[01:18:00] Chicago: The mythstream-17.2 ebuild called for a 200K file... and the download was 500K with errors in the signing
[01:18:12] kormoc: mythstream does what again?
[01:18:41] Chicago: kormoc: mythstream last night when I added the integralblue.com overlay too layman, had an ebuild that called for a 200K source file...
[01:18:57] kormoc: Chicago, is that the one for web streaming video?
[01:19:14] tjcarter: er, dumbass question.. input priority.. higher is better?
[01:19:27] kormoc: tjcarter, higher is more, aye
[01:19:28] olds: what do you mean by better?
[01:19:36] Chicago: kormoc: Basically... http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~moongies/sw9vc4htz2 . . . .17_2.tar.gz was expected to be 200K... and it was 500K.
[01:20:07] Chicago: kormoc: As in, source verification failed.
[01:20:19] tjcarter: olds: as in "I'd rather watch shows on this input"
[01:20:26] tjcarter: as currently the other uses analog cable
[01:20:32] kormoc: Chicago, I understand that, I honestly just don't know what it actually does
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[01:22:26] rooaus: Chicago: If you are running trunk now have a look at mythweb. There is now a flash based video player, it is still being worked on, but it may do what you need now.
[01:22:31] Chicago: kormoc: Well anyway, I just thought it was proper to mention it because the integralblue.com server where the overlay is sourced... is also coming in very slowly between 27–50KB/sec and the connection gets reset by peer about every 90 seconds... horribly.
[01:24:33] Chicago: Adding the mythtv-overlay and downloading from that server last night was probably the most broken assed downloaded I've ever seen. Portage had to restart the download for mythplugins about 50 times... and also about 50 times for mythtv and also about 50 times mythtvthemes. Anybody else have network trouble when downloading from the mythtv-overlay source?
[01:25:52] hads: *shrug* things are slow on the 'net sometimes.
[01:26:00] Chicago: rooaus: I can't see mythweb yet, I need to do PHP again since I just upgraded from apache1 to apache2 last night also.
[01:29:59] tjcarter: er, you know, I've always wondered.. Are remote frontends generally really slow when starting a video or something?
[01:30:13] rooaus: Chicago: fair enough, I would try it first. Mythweb is an officially supported plugin, mythstream isn't. However, the flash based player is new, currently it uses ffmpeg to transcode recordings, eventually I believe the backend will do this. See if it works for you.
[01:30:17] Chicago: Nevermind about the source verification failing, I synced again and re-tested. I'm not getting a verification failure anymore... the 500K file is the one expected now.
[01:30:53] tjcarter: I'm using a Linksys router as a switch, but I do have a Gigabit device
[01:31:08] Chicago: rooaus: I hope to use mythweb. I used to love using it to check the tv listings from my blackberry when I'm at the bar... then I know which channel to ask them to change their TV too. :)
[01:31:53] hads: tjcarter: Not really. My EPIA FE is slow, but that's just 'cause it's a slow little box.
[01:31:56] tjcarter: my iMac and Myth boxes both have Gigabit, but then again the available prebuilt 0.20 Myth frontend has never been amazingly good. 0.19 was better on a Mac.
[01:32:12] rooaus: Chicago: Yeah, I haven't setup remote access yet, but it would be nice.
[01:33:42] rooaus: tjcarter: A remote frontend may buffer more before it starts playing maybe, not sure though. A lot of people seem to use NFS to mount the remote recording directory locally though, perhaps this is why.
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[01:33:58] tjcarter: rooaus: 0.19 was more snappy
[01:34:16] tjcarter: rooaus: 0.20 has several bugs on my iMac, w key doesn't work, etc
[01:35:33] Chicago: rooaus: Okay, here's how I setup semi-secure remote access (in a nutshell). I turned on reverse-lookups in my apache http.conf so the apache logs know the domain of someone requesting a page. Then use your cell phone to access your webserver and copy down that domain or IP your gateway used to access the page.
[01:35:49] weaselhawk: o shit i am still here
[01:36:07] hads: I don't know if I'd even call that semi-secure :)
[01:36:18] Chicago: rooaus: Finally, for your mythweb directory, blacklist all connections except for that gateway domain... setup a ssl certificate... only accept connections on port 443... and then setup password authentication for the directories.
[01:36:22] hads: Why not just use basic auth?
[01:36:24] Chicago: hads: I wasn't done yet.
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[01:37:11] Chicago: hads: Is that better?
[01:37:59] hads: Yes :)
[01:38:35] hads: I don't see the point of the first part really, but each to their own.
[01:41:05] rooaus: Chicago: I currently ssh with port forwarding to access mythweb, I can't access from my phone but I can setup recordings from work etc. before I head to the pub. :)
[01:41:55] Chicago: rooaus: Does your phone have a browser? The mythweb package has the mime-types for wap and wml capable phone included.
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[01:42:43] Chicago: rooaus: I mean to say, if your webserver is configured to send out the wap and wml mime types, the mythweb package has wap and wml pages.
[01:43:07] rooaus: Chicago: Yeah, just haven't bothered working out what the cost is here. We get ripped off for a lot of stuff in Aus :( I might look at it today perhaps.
[01:43:53] Chicago: rooaus: Too expensive for wireless data in Australia? Here they bill me $25/mo for 10MB. How much do you pay?
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[01:45:47] rooaus: Chicago: not sure, need to look into it. But even at $25 bucks it isn't worth it, I wouldn't use it more than once maybe every couple of months. That is why I have been happy with ssh so far.
[01:46:55] Chicago: rooaus: At the moment, I don't even pay for any cable television... so I don't have TV. I'd like to setup an antenna for HDTV and then get a decoder card to connect to myth.
[01:48:47] rooaus: Chicago: I only have free to air channels here, not enough on pay tv to make it worth paying for (did have it once). Got three DVB-T tuners here.
[01:49:46] Chicago: rooaus: Now that's what I'm talking about. We have here near Chicago about 25 over the air digital video channels. I'd like to pick them up.
[01:50:43] Chicago: Last night when I extended my subscription at zap2it labs, they said the subscription is good until 10/26. I thought they were going to discontinue service after 9/1?
[01:55:57] tjcarter: "Card 0 (type ) is set to start on channel 2, which does not exist."
[01:56:04] tjcarter: Card 0 (type ) ?
[01:58:23] tjcarter: I checked both inputs of my PVR-500
[01:58:29] tjcarter: they're both set to channel 2
[01:59:48] tjcarter: Even better, I changed them to channels 3 and 4, and I get the same error
[02:04:01] tjcarter: any ideas what caused this or how I fix it?
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[02:23:34] Chicago: tjcarter: Do you have your card setup as an Analog V4L or as the Hauppauge Encoder ?
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[02:24:55] tjcarter: all set up as MPEG2
[02:25:10] tjcarter: I am gonna go in and delete the capture cards and readd them
[02:25:44] Noble: is there anything i should consider if I am about to upgrade from the mythtv package in ubuntu to the most recent cvs(svn?) version?
[02:25:51] Anduin: tjcarter: No source id
[02:26:59] kormoc: Noble, backup your DB before you do
[02:27:03] tjcarter: deleting all capture cards and readding them fixed the problem
[02:27:14] Noble: ok, thanks
[02:27:26] Chicago: tjcarter: Here on my PVR-500 they are MPEG-2 encoder card (PVR-x50, PVR-500) and they are /dev/v4l/video0 and /dev/v4l/video1. The Probed info: also shows WinTV PVR 500 (unit #1) [ivtv].
[02:27:36] Noble: will that break mythtv packages when a new version is released?
[02:28:05] kormoc: Noble, you'll need to remove all the packages before using your own compiled version
[02:28:07] Esine: is anyone here using MythTV on a standard non-HD (PAL/NTSC) TV?
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[02:28:20] kormoc: Esine, yes
[02:28:21] Chicago: tjcarter: But I also get the "Card 0 (type ) is set to start on channel 2, which does not exist. I think it's okay if you get that message.
[02:28:24] hads: Esine: Loads of people probably. I do.
[02:28:28] Esine: great
[02:28:46] Esine: um.. it works fine, right? what was I supposed to ask..
[02:29:00] kormoc: Esine, it works as well as it can?
[02:29:07] Esine: what do you have as the refresh rate and resolution?
[02:29:14] kormoc: Esine, depends on the tv
[02:29:41] Esine: yeah well I can't find any info on the supported resolutions/refresh rates on my TV's manual
[02:30:07] Chicago: Esine: You know, the NTSC TV output stuff is usually in your xorg.conf... and you just have to specify pal or ntsc. (its especially that easy with nvidia)
[02:30:10] Esine: I'll assume 720x576 is good enough then
[02:30:23] Esine: oh ok
[02:30:25] hads: Esine: That's what I use
[02:30:26] kormoc: Esine, 60 htz is typical
[02:30:45] kormoc: (for NTSC)
[02:30:46] hads: For NTSC
[02:30:49] Chicago: Esine: Your tv probably doesn't have 576 lines
[02:31:08] Esine: well I have a PAL TV
[02:31:17] Chicago: Ah, you're probably right. :)
[02:31:55] Esine: so for NTSC it's 720x480 and PAL 720x576? is that all for video data?
[02:32:05] hads: I use Option "TVStandard" "PAL-B" and 720x576
[02:32:19] Esine: hads, you're in Europe too then I see :)
[02:32:30] hads: New Zealand.
[02:32:34] Esine: oh
[02:36:17] hads: Hmm, just found a bunch of assert errors in my log.
[02:36:45] Chicago: Bye guys, I'm off for a birthday party celebration. Have fun.
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[02:45:23] kormoc: hads, assert errors from mythweb?
[02:46:23] hads: kormoc: Na, FE log. "ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/include/qt3/qvaluelist.h (373)"
[02:46:57] kormoc: ahh
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[02:48:10] hads: Don't know if it's a problem or what, I was just browsing through the log randomly.
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[02:48:53] hads: I have been getting a few segfaults. When I'm not so crook I'll try and track them down further.
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[02:49:43] Slyboots: Evening
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[02:52:19] Slyboots: Does xmlTV crash for anyone else when trying to access the "uk_RT" source?
[02:52:32] Slyboots: I get a "Exited with status 65280" error message
[02:52:40] hads: I saw a bug report about that on the XMLTV devel list earlier
[02:54:01] Slyboots: And for some strage reason, my bmaster backend databse keeps dying..
[02:54:04] Slyboots: wonderful..
[02:54:55] HReadren: Is there any way to enable duplicate detection of subtitle/description, but only within a specific channel. I would like to record BOTH the high-def and std-def versions of shows, and have plenty of tuners available to do so. If I setup two record rules, both with dup detection, either the HDTV or SDTV version will detect an earlier showing and not record unless I force it.
[02:54:59] Slyboots: Hmm.
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[03:00:46] jams: tjcarter- still around
[03:01:33] jams: tjcarter- have a look at http://bentonroberts.com/personal/media-server/code/ that first script might be what you want
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[03:06:54] Hoey: greetings
[03:07:15] tjcarter: jams: for what? =)
[03:08:20] Hoey: if i get a hauppuage pvr 150 that does not have the IR blaster port, is there another method to get IR? such as a USB ir blaster?
[03:08:42] tjcarter: oh!
[03:08:56] tjcarter: yes, that's exactly what I wanted.
[03:09:44] kormoc: Hoey, I like the MCE usb keyboard/remote/ir blaster combo, but you can buy it without the keyboard
[03:11:43] Hoey: whats that? got a brand/model name for me to lookup?
[03:11:50] tjcarter: I'd be much more interested in one of those cheap/useful keyboard+stick/trackball things
[03:12:06] tjcarter: unfortunately, I've stopped seeing the cheap ones
[03:12:06] kormoc: Hoey, Microsoft MCE remote should give you a bunch of hits
[03:12:13] tjcarter: MCE keyboard is all I find now
[03:12:17] kormoc: tjcarter, the microsoft mce keyboard isn't that costly tho
[03:12:30] Hoey: ahh its an ms thing.. so are there linux drivers for it then?
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[03:13:30] kormoc: Hoey, aye, lirc has ones for the remote and blaster in vanilla lirc, there's also a lirc driver that registers the keyboard as a generic usb keyboard and mouse and allows it to work entirely thought the os, and that's linked in the wiki
[03:13:46] Hoey: nice
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[03:18:48] Hoey: so once i get a mythtv box setup near my tv, i still need a keyboard?
[03:20:34] Hoey: my goal is (pending feasibility) i have only the tower out there, with tv as display and remote as only necessary means to control mythtv.. is this an attainable goal?
[03:20:36] kormoc: honestly, I rarely use the keyboard, the remote does it all
[03:20:51] kormoc: there's a onscreen keyboard that you can use the remote with
[03:21:02] kormoc: I use the keyboard for outside of myth or mythbrowser
[03:21:39] Hoey: what circumstances would need me to go outside of myth?
[03:22:00] kormoc: updates, crash recovery, hardware recovery, etc
[03:22:13] kormoc: rare, but once in awhile
[03:22:28] kormoc: a lot of people just hook up a usb keyboard and do it that way
[03:22:40] Hoey: ugh
[03:22:48] Hoey: i wanted to limit the costs of this project to the tv card only
[03:23:10] kormoc: you can use another box's keyboard if you'd perfer
[03:23:12] Hoey: which i haven't decided between 2x 150 or 1x 500
[03:23:25] kormoc: it's really rare to actually require a keyboard
[03:24:58] Hoey: ok
[03:25:33] Hoey: when i was just now on newegg, reading a customer review, it said..
[03:25:34] Hoey: Cons: If you are planning on making a pvr box to record shows and such with mythtv or gbpvr etc., Zap2it (the most popular channel listing method) is shutting down so you won't be able to easily get listings in a couple months.
[03:25:39] Hoey: what can you tell me about this?
[03:25:41] Hoey: this was on a pvr 150
[03:25:49] kormoc: Hoey, it's covered in the wiki
[03:26:07] kormoc: Hoey, there's a new service that is being created that will provide listings, but it will cost a little money
[03:28:38] Noble: this is on the wiki... "The 9631 version is the final release that supports integrated Geforce 4 MX graphics chipsets" ... does it mean my agp geforece4mx440 isn't supported for xvmc anymore?
[03:28:58] kormoc: Noble, it means you need to get that driver revision or older, tis all
[03:31:03] Noble: :( old drivers
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[03:33:03] kormoc: Noble, old card
[03:34:22] Hoey: kormoc, where in the wiki would i find where it's covered? i searched for channels and i don't see anything relevant
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[03:35:00] kormoc: Hoey, it's the pinkish/salmon colored box on http://wiki.mythtv.org
[03:39:19] Hoey: found it thanks, but i don't see any mention of it possibly costing something
[03:39:33] kormoc: it will, sadly
[03:39:45] kormoc: they'll announce more when they can
[03:39:59] Hoey: and will this SD service be the ONLY u.s. method of getting channels in mythtv?
[03:40:48] kormoc: unlikely. They'll have user done scripts around, but it's likely the only offically supported version, as every user script so far is infringing on the TOS of sites.
[03:43:33] kormoc: in anycase, any user script will be via XMLTV and myth does support the XMLTV format
[03:47:03] Hoey: hypothetical situation: i am using a pvr 150 with mythtv, using a usb external hard drive as the storage space for all recorded programs (as opposed to an internal drive). are the files encoded then mpeg/mpeg2 or some proprietary file format? a goal is to make it so that i can theoretically unplug the external hard drive and watch the recorded tv shows on it elsewhere
[03:47:13] Hoey: is this possible?
[03:47:22] kormoc: it's mpeg2 with the pvr cards
[03:47:45] kormoc: you'll need to use a script (perhaps cronned) to rename them into better filenames, but it'll work
[03:47:52] Hoey: neat
[03:48:09] Hoey: so they will in fact be .mpeg2 file extensions?
[03:48:13] kormoc: also mythweb svn has flash video streaming built in (akin to google video)
[03:48:15] kormoc: .avi
[03:48:32] Hoey: hmm i see
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[03:54:43] phocus_: is there anyway to disable the pvr functionality in myth tv and just use a tuner as a passthrew to the tv in real time?
[03:55:20] kormoc: phocus_, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Why_ . . . n_Live_TV.3F
[03:55:24] Hoey: i think it might be more cost effective to just find a pvr 150 that has IR blaster port + remote instead of saving $20 on the non-remote kind of 150 and spending a higher amount of money on a wireless usb keyboard/mouse/remote combo
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[03:55:42] phocus_: i love the remote
[03:56:43] phocus_: kormoc: thank you !! that is exactly what i needed,....extreamly sad, but exactly what i needed
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[03:57:10] kormoc: phocus_, you're welcome
[03:57:28] phocus_: can you recomend another htpc system that does not do pvr or "recording everything" ?
[03:57:45] kormoc: sadly, I can not. I don't really know of any
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[03:58:28] Hoey: kor, what capture card are you using for your mythbox?
[03:58:28] phocus_: well, mental note, dont try and play a wii threw mythtv, lol
[03:58:38] phocus_: pvr250
[03:58:46] kormoc: Hoey, a m179 which is a pvr 250 just rebranded
[03:58:52] phocus_: one of thouse happauge thingys
[03:59:00] phocus_: oh, sorry
[03:59:05] phocus_: thanks guys!!
[03:59:06] phocus_: bye
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[04:01:57] Hoey: i just discovered titantv, does mythtv support it?
[04:02:10] kormoc: nope
[04:02:39] kormoc: their TOS doesn't permit ripping of the data
[04:02:52] Hoey: oh
[04:04:06] Hoey: is there a table somewhere that shows the differences between the hauppuage pvr-xxx cards?
[04:04:49] kormoc: not really
[04:05:22] Hoey: nvm i believe i found one
[04:13:11] Hoey: so as i understand it, if any of the hauppage PVR-xxx says "MCE" with it, it lacks the remote/ir?
[04:13:19] kormoc: Aye
[04:14:00] Hoey: when you chose your 250, were you also considering the 150?
[04:14:09] kormoc: at the time, there was no 150
[04:14:23] kormoc: I wouldn't buy a 250 anymore
[04:14:42] Hoey: ah
[04:15:08] Hoey: when i was in here the other day, AndyCap and fryfrog i believe were suggesting to me to get 150 or 500
[04:15:34] Hoey: i was at the time leaning towards the 350 because of harddware decoding, but told me not to get the hardware decoding
[04:15:50] Hoey: would you agree?
[04:16:15] Tanthrix: I would. From what I hear it's not worth the trouble at all.
[04:17:04] kormoc: it only handles mpeg-2 SD, and doesn't accelerate normal stuff much at all. it's really not worth it in my opinion
[04:17:57] Hoey: k thanks
[04:18:07] Hoey: so now i just need to decide if i want 2x 150 or 1x 500
[04:18:18] Tanthrix: Hoey: If you have the room, get two 150
[04:18:23] Hoey: why?
[04:18:36] Tanthrix: Then you are not confined to using the onboard splitter of the 500
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[04:18:45] Hoey: how would that confine me?
[04:18:48] Tanthrix: Some people have had problems with one tuner getting good reception while another not
[04:18:53] Hoey: hmm i see
[04:18:58] Tanthrix: And when that is the case, there is nothing you can do about it
[04:19:02] kormoc: typically solved with a $5 amp
[04:19:18] Anduin: Other people have DMA trouble that is bypassed by the 500
[04:20:14] Hoey: kor, the $5 amp you mention, would that be "RF Amplifier" ?
[04:20:20] kormoc: aye
[04:20:28] kormoc: standard coax cable amp
[04:20:41] Tanthrix: kormoc: Someone in here was saying that they couldn't get good reception on one even with an amp, though maybe they had a defective unit. Didn't ask if they exchanged it as a test
[04:21:15] kormoc: there's a lot of people that also don't test the amp due to 'if one works, then two should' theory
[04:22:00] Tanthrix: That does make sense
[04:22:02] Hoey: so if i understand this correctly...
[04:22:48] Hoey: using a pvr 500, i would not need to use a coax splitter between cablebox & mythbox, where as 2x 150 i would need to?
[04:23:00] Tanthrix: That is correct.
[04:23:23] kormoc: woah, wait a minute
[04:23:28] Tanthrix: cablebox?
[04:23:29] kormoc: cable box? you mean digital cable?
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[04:23:49] Hoey: it's comcast digital cable, non hd
[04:23:59] Tanthrix: Hoey: That changes things
[04:24:01] kormoc: Hoey, you're limited to one feed per cable box
[04:24:14] Hoey: oh?
[04:24:14] kormoc: and that's giving myth sole control over said box(s)
[04:24:14] Tanthrix: So, if you want two tuners, you'll need two cable boxes, and two IR blasters
[04:24:50] Tanthrix: Basically then myth tunes to one channel (or s-video input) from each box, then uses the ir blaster to change channels just as if you were using a remote on them
[04:25:34] Tanthrix: Other option is to get a QAM tuner card or get a cable box to use firewire out, in both cases you get the original digital video stream which is higher quality then using a pvr-150 converting back and fourth, but both are limited to whether or not your cable channels are encrypted or not
[04:25:50] Tanthrix: er, get a cable box with firewire out (often only provided on HD ones)
[04:26:02] Hoey: or i could scrap the pvr 150 idea
[04:26:04] kormoc: only legally required with HD subscription
[04:26:17] Hoey: so i need to start over in my search then
[04:26:52] kormoc: you're gonna have the cable box restriction no matter what likely
[04:27:05] kormoc: you're on comcast in seattle area it seems?
[04:27:15] Hoey: oh wait, so the pvr150 can still do my digital channels then?
[04:27:24] Hoey: i got the impression that the pvr150 can only do analog
[04:27:25] Tanthrix: Hoey: Well, you really only have two options that require cards. Analog+irblaster is best with the PVR-150, or a QAM card in the event that you have your channels in the clear, in which case the A180 or Kworld equivlent is the way to go
[04:27:43] Hoey: yes seattle area
[04:27:44] kormoc: Hoey, it can, but if you give it control over the cable box with a ir blaster, those digital channels become analog for it to capture
[04:27:53] Tanthrix: Hoey: Read what I said above. It only does analog, but you can use it in conjunction with a digital cable box. You output analog from the box, then reconvert it to digital via the tuner card. Hence the quality loss
[04:28:04] Hoey: kor, which would downgrade quality then?
[04:28:07] kormoc: Hoey, that being said, the seattle area is really great for firewire, every channel other then vh-1 is sent over it, and no capture card needed
[04:28:14] kormoc: Hoey, not really that much, but some, aye
[04:28:23] Tanthrix: It's quite noticable on a HD set
[04:28:30] Tanthrix: Not so much on an SD set
[04:28:41] kormoc: Tanthrix, given he doesn't have a HD sub, I doubt he has a hd set :P
[04:28:49] Tanthrix: hehe, good point.
[04:28:50] Hoey: it's a non HD set
[04:29:10] Hoey: it's an older cablebox too, i'm renting a room in a house, it's not the newer kind
[04:29:14] Tanthrix: kormoc: How's the QAM in seattle? also in the clear?
[04:29:16] kormoc: Hoey, firewire is what I'd use, if I was you, it's sweet.
[04:29:27] kormoc: Tanthrix, sadly, none are clear :/
[04:29:28] Hoey: let me see what's available on the cablebox
[04:29:46] Tanthrix: Hoey: Alternatively, if you don't care about the digital channels, you can still use your PVR card to get analog ones
[04:29:54] Tanthrix: Often 0–70, and kormoc tells me that will be good until 2011
[04:30:04] kormoc: Hoey, if you spend the $5 /mo fee for a HD sub, they are *required* by *law* to give you a box that can send the firewire on your request
[04:30:12] kormoc: ineed
[04:30:18] kormoc: *indeed
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[04:33:55] Hoey: ok studying the back of it
[04:34:19] Hoey: it is a motoroloa, it doesn't appear to have a firewire port, but i did interestingly enough notice an IR port
[04:34:36] kormoc: how else does the remote work?
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[04:34:56] Tanthrix: I think he means a plug labled IR
[04:35:14] Hoey: yes what tan said
[04:35:24] kormoc: ahh
[04:35:31] kormoc: might be for control over the tv
[04:35:36] kormoc: power on/off
[04:35:37] Hoey: it's to the right of a blocked-out S-video port, and a data port that is available to me
[04:36:01] Hoey: the IR port is empty, so it looks like i could plug something into it, it's circlular and small
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[04:37:08] Hoey: i dont think the house owner is getting HD channels, only the digital package (for more channels)
[04:39:01] Hoey: you mentioned using a QAM card if the channels are in the clear, do you mean unencrypted?
[04:39:11] kormoc: yes
[04:39:19] Hoey: there a way i can test that?
[04:39:28] kormoc: get a QAM card and see what you get
[04:39:41] kormoc: tho, I got natta, as did xris
[04:39:58] ** kormoc pokes xris **
[04:39:58] Hoey: rephrase, is there a way i can test that without spending money?
[04:40:03] kormoc: not really
[04:40:17] Hoey: are both you and chris in seattle area too?
[04:40:17] ** xris wonders if natta is anything like natto **
[04:40:25] kormoc: Hoey, aye
[04:40:43] kormoc: xris, I'm remembering correct you got nadda with the air2pc, right?
[04:40:51] xris: just the OTA stuff
[04:40:54] xris: everything else is encrypted
[04:40:58] Hoey: ok i found the model name, it is a Motorola DCT2224/1661/ACDEG, apparently
[04:41:12] xris: Hoey: you'd have to spend the $5/month to upgrade it to HD with firewire
[04:41:38] kormoc: or ir blaster + pvr card with your cable box
[04:42:32] xris: well, then you don't get hd
[04:42:51] kormoc: xris, he doesn't have a HD set, and someone else is paying for his digital cable
[04:42:52] Hoey: don't have HD set
[04:43:09] xris: ah
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[07:38:28] gbee: everyone using tv_grab_uk_rt might want to download the nightly snapshot of xmltv – http://snapshot.xmltv.org/
[07:38:37] gbee: s/might/will/
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[07:56:31] fdsd: hey guys, what is the best way to transcode my videos into an iPod video format?
[07:56:53] juski: www.myth2ipod.com
[07:57:19] juski: gbee: good heads up, but I was already on it ;)
[07:59:49] fdsd: I don't want a gui app
[07:59:58] fdsd: I just want to transcode the videos
[08:00:38] juski: myth2ipod isn't a gui app
[08:00:50] fdsd: ill find them and convert them, I am just looking for a way to use mencoder or ffmpeg to convert
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[08:01:33] fdsd: juski, its most likely doing more than I nee
[08:01:34] fdsd: need
[08:01:45] juski: instead of whining, why not try it out?
[08:02:26] fdsd: because its not what I am looking for
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[08:02:36] hads: Then use ffmpeg
[08:02:59] fdsd: i need the syntax
[08:03:06] juski: alright then. what you want to do basically leaves you with nuvexport or user jobs. see the wiki about user jobs
[08:03:38] hads: fdsd: Try #ffmpeg?
[08:03:40] juski: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nuvexport#iPod
[08:03:43] fdsd: I dont even need to do that
[08:04:58] fdsd: I just want to take the 1046_20070717200000.mpg file and convert from there
[08:05:03] laga: then
[08:05:05] laga: do that.
[08:05:05] juski: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nuvexport#iPod
[08:05:49] laga: juski: it looks like IEGD will not work properly on ubuntu gutsy. ubuntu feisty seems to better.. at least the whole screen is usable now ;)
[08:06:01] juski: laga: ah
[08:06:26] juski: gusty guff is still beta anyway ;)
[08:06:29] laga: heh
[08:07:47] hads: Gutsy is messing with me at the moment
[08:08:09] laga: woohoo. leonard nimoy will again act as spock
[08:08:44] juski: fdsd: point is, if you just take a LOOK at either myth2ipod or nuvexport – you will soon find out the options you'd need to pass ffmpeg in order to make your own user job script. there isn't yet a ready-made script to do that one simple job, so you have some work ahead of you
[08:09:13] juski: nobody else has bothered to do it yet, so it's up to you if you really really want it :-P
[08:09:32] juski: as with all the other 'missing' mythtv features
[08:10:25] juski: hint: if you run nuvexport with the 'debug' option it will tell you the exact commands it would run
[08:12:28] juski: another hint – if you're using ubuntu, you're gonna have to compile ffmpeg yourself to get faac support
[08:12:56] fdsd: gentoo, and ffmpeg is what I need to use
[08:13:10] fdsd: nuvexport will not install with out upgrading xorg, dont want to do that right now
[08:13:12] hads: Which there's an easy way to do but I can't remember
[08:13:18] juski: nuvexport uses ffmpeg ffs
[08:14:18] juski: and rather than emerge nuvexport, just grab a copy of it & untar it. it's a bunch of blimmin perl scripts – there's NO sane reason why it'd require an xorg upgrade!
[08:14:27] hads: Why would you need to upgrade X?
[08:14:30] laga: it's gentoo!
[08:14:30] laga: ;)
[08:14:37] hads: Oh yeah :)
[08:17:26] juski: fdsd: look at the wiki entry for user jobs. that should give you enough info for you to be able to build your own script. then a quick search reveals a bunch of ffmpeg parameters to use "ffmpeg -vcodec xvid -b 300 -qmin 3 -qmax 5 -bufsize 4096 -g 300 -acodec aac -ab 96 -i $inputfilename -s 320x240 -aspect 4:3 $outfilename.mp4"
[08:17:45] Dibblah: fdsd: USE="-X" emerge ffmpeg
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[08:18:40] Dibblah: Not that I should really help people stick with Gentoo, but...
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[08:25:30] juski: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Jobs and http://atomized.org/2005/11/converting-video- . . . with-ffmpeg/ and a little script-fu – maybe looking at an existing user job script like http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . dioexport.pl to get the idea
[08:32:59] Tanthrix: Alright, I gave up on my whole giant guide to recording options with myth for now, but I just made this guide for digital cable in the US: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Digital_Cable
[08:33:15] Tanthrix: Due to the huge amount of people coming in lately asking about it, so we can just point them to that link
[08:33:44] Tanthrix: I'm tired and heading for bed in a few minutes, but any concerned parties should take a look at it and let me know if I'm completely full of shit about anything I've said there
[08:35:05] Tanthrix: I'll be sure to add some pretty pictures to make it...pretty
[08:46:21] gbee: anyone know a Paul Lakin? He owns mythtv.org.uk and I was hoping to persuade him to part with it
[08:46:42] gbee: especially as he's not doing anything with the domain
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[09:10:00] juski: I think I might make an ipod exporting user job script & put it on the wiki today
[09:10:15] juski: about time there were some readable examples
[09:10:54] juski: course, I can't test the output, not owning a video ipod but hey, might save some people who can't be bothered to type a proper IRC nick some work
[09:16:10] scopeuk: juski can test pretty close aslong as the resoluion and codecs are right there shouldent be a problem with a portable even if it is an ipod
[09:17:15] juski: just hacking on my dvbradioexport script. should be an easy change
[09:17:27] juski: so don't say I never do 'owt
[09:17:28] juski: :-P
[09:26:52] juski: just about done :)
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[09:42:59] juski: fdsd: http://www.pastebin.ca/635711
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[09:44:33] mitchellj: Hiya, wondering if anyone can point me in the right direciton, I'm trying to compile mythtv and keep getting "error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.so.0" every time i try to start mythfrontend
[09:45:00] slaine_: Where's the lib ?
[09:45:25] juski: try running ldconfig
[09:45:36] mitchellj: after i make install, libmythtv-0.20.so: /usr/local/lib/libmythtv-0.20.so /usr/local/lib/libmythtv-0.20.so.0
[09:45:51] slaine_: Then make sure that /usr/local/lib is in your library path
[09:46:12] gbee: /etc/ld.so.conf
[09:46:15] juski: if that doesn't work there's another command I can never remember which flushes a cache
[09:46:34] slaine_: LD_LIB_PATH or something, google knows
[09:47:06] juski: anybody wanna take a look at the script I just posted? if it works well I'll probably try to make it work with storage groups, then chuck it into contrib
[09:47:07] mitchellj: thanks that fixed it
[09:47:17] mitchellj: (adding the /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf)
[09:47:22] mitchellj: and rerunning ldconfig
[09:47:30] juski: mitchellj: the docs tell you that :)
[09:48:08] mitchellj: ugh, i couldnt' see it
[09:48:12] mitchellj: was checking the wiki
[09:48:19] mitchellj: maybe I'm going blind :(
[09:49:22] slaine_: Ah sure that's what IRC is for, repeating ad-infinatum what's already in the docs ;)
[09:50:24] juski: not on my watch
[09:51:11] mitchellj: apologies, maybe I'm looking in the wrong place
[09:51:17] juski: gbee: to get my export scripts to work with storage groups I could just grab the dir name from the db couldn't I ? isn't that a new column in the recorded table ?
[09:51:28] mitchellj: where is the docs? I'm looking at www.mythtv.org/wiki
[09:51:40] juski: www.mythtv.org
[09:51:58] juski: if the howto in the wiki omitted that step I'll be very disappointed
[09:54:03] mitchellj: i see it on the docs but i don't see it in the wiki found it in the docs at http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-4.html
[09:54:31] mitchellj: but then again I'm not saying its not there :P I'm just moronic when it comes to searching for info i think
[09:55:35] mitchellj: but thanks for your help :)
[09:56:02] juski: got a linky to the wiki page you used?
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[09:58:13] mitchellj: heh i see what I've done
[09:58:19] mitchellj: I've went to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/SVN
[09:58:22] mitchellj: and followed the link
[09:58:31] mitchellj: which took me to howto step 5
[09:58:38] mitchellj: and missed step 4 (setting up the shared libs)
[09:59:29] mitchellj: but if your compiling from SVN i would suspect your supposed to know steps 1–4 like the back of your hand since SVN isn't release :)
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[10:14:11] gbee: juski: the storagegroup column in the recorded table stores the name of the storage group, which you then need to lookup in the storagegroup table to get the directory
[10:15:25] juski: gbee: gotcha. I hacked up the wrong script
[10:15:51] gbee: which I might add isn't good design, it's far better to use a static numeric id than the storage group name which might cause all sorts of UTF8 problems and is inefficient for mysql
[10:18:37] juski: you do like making more work for yourself don't you ? :-P
[10:21:05] juski: when I was puzzling about that I did wonder if it used a numeric & then looked it up – I mean other parts of myth do that – e.g. channel table & dtv_multiplex
[10:25:12] juski: fdsd: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ipodexport.pl.tar
[10:25:26] juski: and anybody else that wants it.. it'll soon be in SVN :)
[10:26:04] laga: ffs!
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[10:27:30] laga: my frontend on the s100 does not play back recordings or livetv because it's requesting empty file names. "NVP:Openfile(): Error, couldn't read file myth://192.168.0.118:6543/"
[10:27:40] laga: that's weird. anyone ever seen that?
[10:28:08] laga: before i checked the "stream all recordings" checkbox, it'd try to open an enpty file name locally.
[10:29:45] gbee: juski: unless I run out of work I'll just leave changing it to numeric as a suggestion for Captain_Murdoch
[10:31:07] Dibblah: None of Myth's tables are "good design". Needs a beating round the head with a normalising bat.
[10:31:29] gbee: Dibblah: that's mostly true
[10:31:40] Dibblah: But buggered if I'm going to do it :)
[10:32:21] Dibblah: Got as far as reading a few tutorials, then realised just how much work for how little gain it'd be.
[10:33:07] gbee: there isn't much point in retrospectively normalising the tables now, but it would be good practice to do it for future additions
[10:34:58] gbee: I know Isaac has said in the past though that he doesn't really like properly normalised tables – I think it's because he doesn't like having tables which are only there to join two data sets
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[10:38:16] Dibblah: Yes, but the point is it's *different* datasets.
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[10:38:52] Dibblah: ie you only query for the data you want, rather than the other stuff that happens to be in the same table.
[10:39:06] Hugolp: Hi
[10:39:19] Dibblah: And joins are cheap on smaller tables.
[10:39:35] Hugolp: can anyone tell me whats the difference if a channel locks with the sequence LAM or load with the sequence LMS?
[10:39:50] gbee: Dibblah: I agree, all my databases are highly normalised where normalising doesn't have a negative impact on performance
[10:40:07] gbee: but not everyone likes or understands it
[10:46:01] juski: is performance *that* much of an issue in myth though? I mean if a query takes 150ms longer will anybody care?
[10:46:59] juski: one thing I've been feeling like taking a look at is mythvideo. I like to see my metadata but it seems to take forever to scroll through any of the views. it's not that I have that many videos
[10:47:39] juski: I remember it being much faster in previous versions. maybe it's improved in svn I dunno
[10:48:16] juski: laga: there's a 'stream all recordings checkbox' ?
[10:49:01] juski: laga: anyway I'd be checking the machine's hostname to make sure it's not the same as the backend ;)
[10:49:20] laga: juski: it's there in svn
[10:49:29] laga: juski: i'm using a custom identifier.
[10:49:38] laga: ffs
[10:49:45] Hugolp: can anyone tell me the difference when the channels load with the sequence (LMS) or with (LAM)?
[10:50:04] Hugolp: I had to import some channels from a channels.conf file into mythtv
[10:50:34] Hugolp: and those channels dont load the EIT data as they did before and they load with the sequence (LAM) instead with (LMS) as the other do
[10:50:57] laga: juski: hum. i'm using a custom identifier, but the hostname is the same as on my desktop box. let's see
[10:54:40] Hugolp: nobody knows?
[10:55:48] gbee: juski: performance isn't so much of an issue in mythtv, all the same proper indexing and arrangement of tables can achieve a lot more than 150ms, when xris added some needed indexes to the tables a few months back it saved seconds on some queries
[10:56:49] gbee: human39_: channels.conf is missing required information (but I can't remember what)
[10:57:45] gbee: Hugolp: that was for you. Try googling because I know this has been discussed lots of times on the mailing lists and it might even be in the wiki
[10:57:57] Hugolp: ok
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[11:00:49] juski: Hugolp: FYI the stuff you don't get from importing a channels.conf is essential to some things like EIT. The problems caused by the missing info have been fixed in trunk and as far as I know also fixed in -fixes. One thing to remember though is that packagers don't usually keep their -fixes releases very up to date
[11:03:01] Hugolp: ok, juski so if I update mythtv this problem should be solved?
[11:03:47] juski: *could* be solved. I can't give you any degree of certainty but it can't hurt
[11:04:07] Hugolp: of course
[11:04:08] Hugolp: ok
[11:04:25] juski: there's a way to get the missing info into mythtv yourself, using dvbsnoop & some mysql mangling
[11:04:53] juski: I can never remember exactly what a channels.conf file is missing. I know there's networkid & one other field
[11:06:30] Hugolp: the weird thing is that the channels from channels.conf lock with (LAM) sequence and they load faster than the other ones that use the squence (LMS) (like 1 second faster)
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[11:29:38] loops: i just installed myarchive and the menu items aren't showing up :( in fact i just noticed that the "optical menu" that exists in mainmenu.xml doesn't show up in the frontend at all.. anyone have a hint?
[11:30:48] loops: mytharchive*
[11:32:28] juski: tried restarting mythfrontend?
[11:35:53] loops: juski, yeah.. even rebooted the backend
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[11:56:34] loops: hmm.. this is all a bit frustrating.... what controls which menu options get displayed?
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[11:57:06] juski: you shouldn't have to edit any menu xml files to get a plugin to show. not if you installed the plugin properly
[11:57:22] juski: where did you get the plugin from?
[11:57:39] loops: juski, just "emerge mytharchive" on gentoo.
[11:57:49] juski: bear in mind that all plugins must be from the same version of mythtv as the rest of the system
[11:58:03] juski: ahh stupid gentoo again
[11:58:08] juski: nevermind
[11:58:35] loops: gentoo known to break myth?
[11:59:11] juski: wouldn't go as far as saying that, no
[12:02:34] loops: well, it seems a little brittle if gentoo can make it this hard to just install a simple plugin
[12:02:53] loops: it can't be _that_ hard.. but myth isn't giving me much clue as to what's wrong.
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[12:12:05] juski: right folks, especially you fdsd ... http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ipod_export – and that's my good deed for the day/week/month/year done!
[12:13:01] loops: does anyone know what controls menu item display? for instance when the mainmenu.xml file has a "Media Library" menu item in it, why would it not be displayed?
[12:13:07] juski: yeah hey no problem fdsd. you're totally welcome!
[12:13:24] juski: loops: what menu theme are you using?
[12:13:40] juski: note I asked which *menu* theme, not which *theme*
[12:13:42] loops: oh.. interesting thot... umm i'm not sure..
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[12:13:49] loops: i'll change it and see
[12:14:13] juski: 'classic' sucks, 'dvr' is confusing (watch tv is a 'utility'? ffs)..
[12:14:25] loops: was using MythCenter
[12:14:40] GreyFoxx: I prefer classic over dvr
[12:14:40] laga: the s100 is making me lose hair.
[12:14:52] juski: loops: MENU theme, not 'theme'
[12:15:00] juski: you have a choice of menu layouts
[12:15:29] juski: ah sod it I've done my good deed already
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[12:28:51] gpd: my mythbox seems to have started chopping the end of programs – yet I have ntp running?
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[12:29:40] gpd: do most people set extra time at each end?
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[12:33:17] fryfrog: gpd: I think mine defaults to 2 or 3 minutes at the start and end
[12:33:49] gpd: does that not mess up all your scheduling – unless you have lots of tv cards?
[12:34:55] gbee: gpd: there are two types of padding, the global kind doesn't affect scheduling at all
[12:35:35] gbee: it's an optional "add x second to the end of recording only if it doesn't cause a clash"
[12:36:01] gpd: ok – that sounds perfect – i'll have to find it
[12:36:06] gbee: as opposed to the per-recording extension which will be honoured no matter what
[12:36:22] gbee: gpd: under tv settings, in the general section iirc
[12:36:52] gpd: thanks gbee
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[12:39:57] gpd: ok set – great.
[12:40:22] gpd: Doing that reminded me that my overscan can't be right – the settings boxes are off the edge of the screen :(
[12:40:38] fryfrog: hehe
[12:43:03] gpd: don't suppose anyone has a way/plugin/mod so that you can set a program to 'watched' – would be good for couples that watch at different times...
[12:43:23] fryfrog: i think it is an idea that has been mentioned, its a good one too
[12:43:35] fryfrog: imagine if you ran a massive myth setup for your entire family or something
[12:43:45] fryfrog: how would you know when the kids are done watching Bob the Builder
[12:43:57] gpd: exactly
[12:44:14] gpd: just needs a flag in the database and a button – but time and effort are the problem!
[12:46:01] jams: it already has something similiar
[12:46:15] fryfrog: oh?
[12:46:36] jams: it keeps a group (watch list) of shows that have not been watched
[12:46:51] jams: there is a menu itme to flag if it's watched or not
[12:46:54] fryfrog: that is in svn head, right?
[12:46:56] jams: yep
[12:46:58] fryfrog: neat
[12:47:07] fryfrog: and it is automatic?
[12:47:13] jams: yep
[12:47:15] fryfrog: ie, you watch it and it gets marked "watched"
[12:47:16] fryfrog: spiffy
[12:47:26] gpd: very cool :D
[12:47:30] fryfrog: does it get a little symbol/marker like you get for bookmark / commflag?
[12:47:38] jams: not that i know of
[12:47:48] jams: it simply gets moved out of the watched list
[12:47:55] fryfrog: ah
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[12:48:14] jams: can't say i use it that much
[12:48:32] gpd: i was thinking about the recommended tv too...
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[12:48:43] gpd: and it occurred to me that facebook has pepole favorite tv
[12:48:55] gpd: now that facebook has opened their platform...
[12:49:12] gpd: and then PROFIT!
[12:49:59] ** gpd notes how well that was received **
[12:50:05] fryfrog: facebook, ftw!
[12:50:21] fryfrog: myspace, it makes me want to vomit... but i sure <3 facebook!
[12:50:29] gpd: saves on servers at least
[12:50:37] fryfrog: anyone heard of this "linkedin" thing?
[12:50:49] gpd: ya – been on that for several whiles
[12:50:59] gpd: it is facebook for business people
[12:51:05] gpd: or at least it is attempting to be -
[12:51:19] fryfrog: ah
[12:51:20] gpd: but it seems that facebook is becoming facebook for business ppl
[12:51:21] jams: heh, have not logged into that for about a year
[12:51:52] fryfrog: i signed up because one dude asked me to, made him a "friend" (i guess they are called connections?) then never logged in again
[12:51:55] gpd: fryfrog: did you hear about it as if it was new?
[12:51:59] fryfrog: until my wife's sister found and added me
[12:52:11] fryfrog: nah, i just wondered if what i thought about it was accurate
[12:52:21] fryfrog: seems to be a p2p or social networking site for bidness and jobs
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[12:52:45] gpd: i think it just didn't catch on too well
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[12:53:08] fryfrog: when it searched my gmail account, it found *tons* of people
[12:53:17] fryfrog: facebook found a lot too, but more were on linkedin for me
[12:53:27] fryfrog: heck, my *mom* was even in linkedin
[12:53:33] fryfrog: i was like "omg, wtf, mom???"
[12:53:40] fryfrog: she still hasn't accepted me though :/
[12:54:01] ** gpd chuckles **
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[12:55:24] gbee: when a recording is marked as watched there is an icon displayed
[12:55:52] ** gpd invents a rating system for watched programs that uploads top rated to facebook account **
[12:56:09] ** gpd stabs self in face as feature begging user from hell **
[12:56:17] fryfrog: gbee: cool, thanks
[12:56:23] juski: I've beena member of farce bewk for a couple of weeks & starting to go off the idea now more people are looking me up
[12:56:25] gbee: but as there isn't multi-user support in mythtv yet, you can't say that "Person A" has watched it and not "Person B"
[12:56:26] fryfrog: maybe i should update to svn head, but i'm scared :(
[12:56:31] gbee: fryfrog: do it
[12:56:36] gbee: do it, do it
[12:56:38] fryfrog: what revision do you run?
[12:56:40] juski: DO IT !
[12:56:43] juski: DOOOOOOOOOOO IT!
[12:56:56] gbee: fryfrog: what's the most recent revision? ;)
[12:57:08] fryfrog: ah, so you keep pretty close to head
[12:57:13] fryfrog: do you have a test/prod system?
[12:57:15] gpd: do you think the latest svn would crash less than the version in Feisty? :|
[12:57:23] fryfrog: or do you just svn up and hope it works?
[12:57:26] gbee: I added the watched flag stuff not long after 0.20 was released
[12:57:31] fryfrog: gpd: I use svn -fixes and it goes great
[12:57:35] juski: feisty's packages crash do they? what an inducement
[12:57:58] gpd: well – my backend is crashing about once every 8 hours according to monit
[12:58:01] gbee: fryfrog: I keep my eye on the commits, so I know what is likely to break it and what won't (I don't have a test system)
[12:58:04] fryfrog: if you want something a little better than what is in apt, but not quite svn head... the -fixes branch is very smooth
[12:58:19] gbee: but HEAD is usually kept pretty stable
[12:58:21] fryfrog: ah
[12:58:36] fryfrog: there is a -commits mailing list, i believe right?
[12:58:40] fryfrog: or do you watch some other way?
[12:58:41] gbee: and especially at the moment, it's probably more stable than -fixes :)
[12:58:51] fryfrog: krikey, i'm sold!
[12:58:53] gbee: yeah, mythtv-commits
[12:58:57] gpd: I suspect one of my recorded shows is crashing it: am I deluded?
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[12:59:25] fryfrog: gpd: no, i've seen that on mine. mine would crash making *thumbnails* from some show, i ended up deleting em until i found the right one
[12:59:28] fryfrog: or something
[12:59:32] gpd: either that or my memory is foobar – but the machine has 36 day uptime – so hohum
[12:59:59] gpd: fryfrog: interesting – i'll check it out: thanks
[13:00:27] gbee: fryfrog: note that I said probably, it's not a solid guarentee but it's extremely stable for all my machines and technically more bugs have been fixed in head than -fixes
[13:01:20] fryfrog: gbee: thanks, i'm up for the challenge i think :)
[13:01:23] gbee: is feisty not shipping 0.20.1 or fixes?
[13:01:38] fryfrog: feisty is a slightly oder -fixes i think
[13:01:47] fryfrog: like 2006 -fixes maybe?
[13:01:49] fryfrog: lemme look
[13:01:54] gbee: hmm
[13:02:15] fryfrog: 0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu6
[13:02:19] fryfrog: i was kind of way off :)
[13:02:24] fryfrog: just *barely* 2007
[13:02:45] gbee: that's not great :(
[13:02:48] fryfrog: gbee: so you do some dev then?
[13:02:59] gbee: fryfrog: some ;)
[13:03:09] fryfrog: know anything about firewiredevices.cpp and 6200ch.c?
[13:03:30] fryfrog: I just updated 6200ch.c for the DCT-3416 for someone in here and submitted a patch to trac
[13:03:47] fryfrog: but i looked at firewiredevices.cpp and i couldn't see anything but 62xx series stuff in there
[13:03:56] gbee: fryfrog: not really my area, we don't have firewire devices over here so I've never looked at it
[13:04:02] fryfrog: k
[13:04:14] fryfrog: well, maybe who ever picks up the patch in trac will :)
[13:04:38] gbee: Daniel will usually sort those out pretty quickly. In fact he committed something just last night
[13:05:20] gbee: yeah, he closed that ticket
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[13:06:36] gbee: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14052
[13:07:09] fryfrog: groovy, was just looking over all that
[13:10:15] gbee: I wonder if it wouldn't be a bad idea to allow the frontend to check for updates with services.mythtv.org, not download them, but check once a week and either inform the user with a popup or show something in the version section of the status page
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[13:11:43] gbee: would work better if we released -fixes packages more regularly
[13:11:49] janneg: I don't like that
[13:11:53] jams: i would vote for the status page
[13:12:00] jams: popup would be annoying
[13:12:32] jams: honestly i would think an rss feed for mythtv would work just as well
[13:12:34] gbee: popup would be optional, but less work to just stick it on the status page anyway
[13:12:34] fryfrog: it should be a pop up that comes back every ten minutes and says "you recently updated your computer, would you like to restart now?" :p
[13:13:11] gbee: fryfrog: well it works for Windows doesn't it? I mean maybe that's the secret to their success?
[13:13:23] fryfrog: totally :)
[13:13:44] fryfrog: actually, i've had that pop up on my feisty "server" for like a month :p
[13:13:48] fryfrog: i finally let it reboot
[13:14:23] gbee: jams: what sort of rss feed? We've already got a few, though they are just the ones provided by Trac, so they just show dev related stuff
[13:15:04] jams: i was thinking one that was bit more macro. Like for new releases or something major fixed / announced
[13:18:21] gbee: well I've no doubt that xris' new CMS will provide an rss feed of the news page when he has time to actually write it
[13:19:30] gbee: the new CMS might also go a long way to fixing the current bottle neck which is delaying more -fixes based releases
[13:19:52] jams: heh
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[13:21:39] jams: does myth have a jump point to play an audio cd?
[13:22:51] jams: does not look like it
[13:23:03] gbee: no, it doesn't
[13:23:33] gbee: probably should have one, after all there are "Play DVD" and "Rip CD" jumppoints
[13:23:44] jams: yeah
[13:23:53] jams: all i want is a play cd menu item
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[13:24:18] jams: my wife can't stand having to bring up the popup menu within mythmusic to play a cd
[13:24:52] gbee: jams: if you open a ticket and assign it to me, then I'll add it when I get the time
[13:25:12] jams: cool
[13:25:16] jams: thanks gbee
[13:26:28] Servo888: all right! My playback looks GREAT! I slapped in a ground loop isolator on the tv cable, and now it's much more clearer. But I need to de-interlace it better – though none of the programs work well... linear gave me the best results, but the video still looks weird.
[13:28:29] fryfrog: what is a ground loop isolator?
[13:28:57] fryfrog: i mean, it sounds obvious... it isolates ground loops... but what does it look like?
[13:29:02] fryfrog: er, how does it work
[13:29:58] Servo888: http://www.audioholics.com/images/jensentransformersvrd1ff.jpg
[13:30:54] Servo888: oh work? Just a transformer
[13:33:23] Servo888: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolation_transformer
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[13:34:52] k-man__: anyone here have an mce remote? would I see your lircrc please?
[13:36:00] fryfrog: Servo888: where can you find one of those? And what do you plug into it, the PC?
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[13:38:35] Servo888: fryfrog: http://www.google.com/products?q=coaxial+volt . . . &show=dd
[13:39:58] Servo888: make sure you need one before buying one though...
[13:40:16] fryfrog: ahhh, so it goes in the actual cable line
[13:40:22] fryfrog: neat
[13:40:45] fryfrog: what i really need is to reduce my number of cable splits :)
[13:42:41] juski: oh dear. one of the resident test engineers here doesn't know the difference between an IP address & a URL
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[13:46:33] fryfrog: so uh "MythMusic requires taglib." wtf is taglib? :p
[13:46:53] juski: ide3 tag library
[13:47:02] juski: lib is an abbrev of library :-P
[13:47:38] juski: s/ide3/id3
[13:49:05] fryfrog: nm
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[13:50:35] gbee: libtag
[13:51:01] fryfrog: yeah, took me about 5 minutes to search for the *reverse* of taglib :)
[13:52:01] gbee: bit confusing that, the project and official name is taglib, but the actual library is libtag
[13:56:53] SiD3WiNDR: the reverse of taglib is bilgat
[13:57:02] SiD3WiNDR: which kind of means asscheek-hole in dutch.
[13:57:11] SiD3WiNDR: but I guess that's not what you meant ;D
[14:00:23] fryfrog: ahah
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[14:22:18] Dibblah: There appears to be a problem with the theme for ipodexport.pl...
[14:22:25] Dibblah: As in... There isn't one ;)
[14:22:43] Dibblah: Not bad for someone who 'doesn't do code'...
[14:28:31] juski: cheers. I could almost tell you what it all does even now :-P
[14:29:15] juski: anyway I DO do the odd bit of code. i might even pick up coding that plugin again soon. I want to finish it one day
[14:29:46] juski: 'odd bit' == 5 or 6 lines here & there :)
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[14:48:54] fryfrog: Anyone know what "model" one should pick if you have a DCT-6412? It only offers 6200, 6212 and 6214
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[15:03:20] vol: hi all
[15:03:46] vol: im having an issue where mythfrontend is using 100% cpu while not in use
[15:03:57] vol: im running 0.20-svn20070609–0.1 on a debian system
[15:04:06] vol: any known issues?
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[15:05:21] juski: 0609? rofl
[15:05:32] vol: :<
[15:05:41] juski: I bet you're using the opengl painter too
[15:05:46] vol: yep
[15:06:02] juski: and possibly an old version some theme or other
[15:06:07] juski: *of some theme
[15:06:49] vol: i have the project grayhem theme
[15:07:00] juski: where did you get it from?
[15:07:12] vol: the theme creators site
[15:07:17] juski: when?
[15:07:48] vol: a few days ago i think
[15:08:31] vol: ill have to try it with a default theme i guess
[15:08:46] juski: ahh wait
[15:08:54] vol: ProjectGrayhem-wide-2.1
[15:09:02] juski: 2.1?
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[15:09:12] juski: that vanished ages ago!
[15:09:18] Asathoor: hi
[15:09:27] Asathoor: how can I combine a directory on one disk with one on another in order to gain space?
[15:09:28] juski: vol: get a newer one from www.juski.co.uk
[15:09:38] juski: Asathoor: man cp
[15:09:46] Asathoor: thanx
[15:09:54] juski: vol: the mythtvtalk.com page is very old & should be deleted
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[15:10:06] vol: ahh thanks
[15:10:38] Asathoor: should I make something like a symbolic link?
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[15:11:43] vol: juski: thanks for the help, btw why rofl at 0609?
[15:11:56] juski: vol: that's a very old version of 0.20-fixes
[15:12:25] vol: ohh, im just using the debian-multimedia.org repo for debian lenny
[15:12:39] vol: maybe i should grab the sid packages
[15:12:46] juski: vol: also if you still get a problem with the newer theme version, edit base.xml in the theme directory and comment out the 'logo' section like this: http://pastebin.ca/636000
[15:12:54] cesman: Asathoor: mkdir /mnt/stuff && ln -s /mnt/samba /mnt/stuff/smb && ln -s /mnt/morestuff /mnt/stuff
[15:13:19] cesman: Asathoor: you can also use LVM to combine multiple drives
[15:13:57] Asathoor: cesman >> thanx – that's more like it...
[15:14:16] cesman: Asathoor: if you are looking to increase the size of the location where your recordings are held, LVM is your best bet
[15:14:28] juski: Storage Groups are your best bet
[15:14:40] cesman: if he is using SVN
[15:14:48] Asathoor: ok  – the files are huge
[15:14:52] juski: worth using SVN only for those IMHO
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[15:15:08] cesman: how are you juski?
[15:15:29] juski: not bad. keeping busy. still smarting from LRL (peeing waste of time)
[15:15:54] juski: how's life in knoppmyth land? ;)
[15:16:01] cesman: good
[15:16:02] Asathoor: is it possible to change the path to the recordings? I tried once – but things went wrong...
[15:16:14] cesman: working on improvements
[15:16:23] cesman: way behind in development
[15:16:31] cesman: in terms of where I'd wanted to be...
[15:16:35] juski: like theming – you never get finished
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[15:17:03] juski: btw cesman take a look at aeroic-wide – currently in development (only a working title for now – name will likely change)
[15:17:10] cesman: pondering if I want to included simple support for Joost via WINE
[15:17:58] juski: Joost is still only a limited trial thing isn't it?
[15:18:02] cesman: nice!
[15:18:16] cesman: it is "beta"
[15:18:26] cesman: anyone can invite themselves
[15:18:30] juski: I hope Joost burns
[15:18:57] cesman: I like the interface and the speed
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[15:19:13] cesman: I just wished them hurry up and provide a native Linux client
[15:19:17] juski: no good for the UK population with our capped broadband
[15:19:26] cesman: whaaa?
[15:19:31] cesman: capped? WTF?
[15:19:34] cesman: that sucks
[15:19:39] YoG_: Hi, I'd like to use ubuntu only with tvout – no monitor connected, can someone help me please?
[15:19:46] juski: yeah download more than 30GB in a month & they slow you down to a trickle :-P
[15:19:53] juski: less on some plans
[15:20:01] cesman: that sucks
[15:20:16] juski: blame the folks who download 300GB a day. assholes
[15:20:19] juski: anyway – hometime!
[15:20:21] juski: ttfn
[15:20:22] cesman: YoG_: what video card do you have?
[15:20:27] cesman: drive safe
[15:20:46] YoG_: cesman: nvidia mx200
[15:20:51] YoG_: cesman: it's an old system
[15:21:19] cesman: Asathoor: if you are using SVN version of MythTV, like juski stated, Storage Groups are probably your best bet
[15:21:35] cesman: YoG_: if I recall correctly, for that card you have to use nvtv
[15:21:57] cesman: or am I thnking too far back?
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[15:22:14] fryfrog: YoG_: just go buy some 5200 or 4200 for like $5–10
[15:22:23] fryfrog: used, on fleabay or craigslist maybe
[15:22:31] YoG_: cesman: yes, nvtv works – partly... if I use the nvidia legacy drivers...
[15:22:47] Asathoor: I use the ubuntu inatallation...
[15:22:58] Asathoor: installation
[15:22:59] YoG_: fryfrog: I have one, but we are talking about petium III – I don't think It can take it
[15:23:10] cesman: Asathoor: ok, that AFAIK isn't SVN
[15:23:58] YoG_: cesman: the problem is that with the legacy drivers I can't suspend, and with the regular drivers I can't boot unless a monitor is connected...
[15:24:42] cesman: then, like the man said... upgrade
[15:25:13] cesman: which version of the legacy drive are you using?
[15:25:38] cesman: I do believe the "newer" legacy has better support for suspend
[15:25:43] YoG_: cesman: I don't know – the ones from the feed
[15:25:56] cesman: feed?
[15:26:31] YoG_: cesman: ubuntu... feed err... I don't know what's it called – I used synaptic to install them
[15:26:53] Asathoor: so did I
[15:28:54] cesman: the 7185 drivers...
[15:29:41] Asathoor: i think feed = repository (to message 17:25:56)
[15:29:58] cesman: yeah...
[15:30:38] vol: I have a amd 64x2 with 1gb of ram and a nvidia6150 and when i try to play 1080 videos i get skipping
[15:30:57] vol: anyone recommend hardware changes to get 1080p to play smoothly?
[15:30:58] YoG_: yeah repository.... that was the missing word
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[15:31:24] vol: the amd is a 3800 i think
[15:33:23] Asathoor: ...perhaps the best thing is to repartition my hd and give mythTV a huge amount of space...
[15:33:50] fryfrog: vol: that should play 1080i or 720p smoothly, I am pretty sure, not sure of 1080p :/
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[15:41:59] vol: fryfrog: yea 1080i and 720p do play well, but i got a westinghouse 1080p tv and i need to make use of all those pixels! :>
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[15:45:34] vol: fryfrog: i think im putting another gig of ram in and a nvidia 7300gt
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[15:48:31] fryfrog: hehe
[15:48:46] fryfrog: if you watch top, what is the problem?
[15:49:03] fryfrog: I'd probably go from 3800+ -> 4800+ or more first
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[15:49:40] YoG_: ok, I put my FX5200 and it worked to my surprise... Ubuntu boot, I can vnc from another computer, but the tv screen is black
[15:51:30] jams: j-rod- know anything about smolt?
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[15:55:47] fryfrog: So I just updated to svn head and everything is going nicely except mythweb doesn't have thumbs for my shows and in my log I get...
[15:55:51] fryfrog: 2007-07–27 11:49:56.299 Preview Error: Previewer file '/GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/dumbledore/3040_20070724115900.mpg ' is not valid.
[15:56:03] fryfrog: obviously, it is going to a quite funky path to generate a preview but I'm not sure why :/
[15:57:47] j-rod: jams: a bit
[15:58:25] jams: just read an article on it, and noticed it's fairly close to something else i am working on
[15:59:47] jams: guess i'm curious if you think it's adecent project or it might fade away
[16:00:26] j-rod: it'll stick
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[16:01:04] ** j-rod finishes eating, returns to being able to actually type at a decent rate **
[16:01:27] j-rod: its primarily written by one of our fedora infrastructure guys
[16:01:45] jams: cool
[16:01:48] j-rod: and now gets referenced regularly for a lot of architecture usage analysis
[16:02:15] jams: i could see it being useful for mythdora mythvantage knoppmyth and so forth
[16:02:17] j-rod: and the plan is to use it even further to know what hardware is most popular, so we can be absolutely certain that hardware works
[16:02:44] jams: sounds like a good plan to me
[16:03:46] j-rod: hrm, yeah, wonder how hard it would be to set up a smolt-mythtv server...
[16:04:26] j-rod: have a smolt-mythtv app, and people could use that to report all their system specs to a centralized mythtv database...
[16:04:33] j-rod: me likes idea...
[16:05:04] jams: right as long as the app is not "gui only"
[16:06:22] j-rod: pretty sure there's a cli submit option to it
[16:07:55] gbee: j-rod: subject to getting Isaac to do the upload/news this time, do you have the time to sort out a 0.20.2 release?
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[16:10:55] j-rod: gbee: not 'til sunday night at the earliest, I'm heading off on a weekend camping trip in about 2hr...
[16:11:31] gbee: ahh, well that's more important :) wish I was camping this weekend
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[16:12:12] ** j-rod still needs to pack his bags... :) **
[16:12:13] gbee: if I had the bandwidth I'd package it up and host the files, but I don't, so that's a non-starter
[16:12:26] Tanthrix: Gah. It's not natural being up this early.
[16:12:42] jams: don't forget to pack the kids!
[16:13:03] j-rod: jams: I couldn't if I tried... :)
[16:13:23] j-rod: gbee: bandwidth as in time, or bandwidth as in data pipe?
[16:13:24] gbee: would be nice if a couple more people had access to the webserver to do what was needed
[16:13:31] gbee: data
[16:13:58] j-rod: I've got 5Mbps outgoing from my own web server...
[16:14:04] j-rod: but yeah, more access good.
[16:14:18] j-rod: isaac was going to work on making that a reality at one point, I thought...
[16:15:19] gbee: maybe we just need to regain some momentum on these sorts of changes
[16:15:27] fryfrog: ah, was just a bum .htaccess file
[16:16:27] xris: hmm... dual core for $120, quad core for $144...
[16:16:38] xris: wtf would I do with a quad core mythbox...
[16:16:39] j-rod: yeah, prolly – I kinda got stalled out after a bit due to work stuff that is finally almost over with (rhel5.1 devel window)
[16:16:50] gbee: I know both Isaac and xris have been busy lately
[16:16:52] fryfrog: ahahha
[16:16:58] fryfrog: xris: what quad core cpu is only $144???
[16:17:04] gbee: well actually I think most people have been pretty busy
[16:17:10] fryfrog: 3x mythcommflag/mythtranscode jobs? :p
[16:17:26] xris: fryfrog: special intel pricing. my company can get one. which means I can get it if no one else wants it
[16:17:26] fryfrog: and 1 cpu left over for any ol' jazz
[16:17:30] fryfrog: ah
[16:17:49] xris: e6600 (dual) vs q6600.
[16:17:56] fryfrog: q6600, ftw!
[16:18:09] xris: they apparently didn't drop the prices on the dual core stuff like I was hoping.
[16:18:18] Tanthrix: Good!
[16:18:19] fryfrog: well, if my remote *FE* is working when I get home, I think I'm going to be happy with svn head :)
[16:18:27] Tanthrix: (Makes me feel better about buying when I did ;)
[16:19:29] fryfrog: Anyone half decent with apache and directives? I have a <directory> that has "AllowOverrides All" in it (for myth), but when I have a .htaccess with "Options -All +FollowSymlinks" I get an error saying FollowSymlinks isn't allowed
[16:19:57] Tanthrix: xris: When you get a moment, take a look at this page I made last night and tell me if you think anything is catagorically wrong or otherwise incorrect: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Digital_Cable
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[16:20:32] Tanthrix: xris: I made it due to the large amount of people coming in here recently asking about digital cable, getting sick of repeating myself so I thought a nice page would be in order ;)
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[16:21:10] gbee: xris: did you settle on a design for the site?
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[16:24:08] xris: gbee: nope. tv listings stuff kind of took over my attention.
[16:24:35] xris: Tanthrix: you might want to link to the firewire page in your firewire section
[16:24:58] Tanthrix: Yah, I plan on adding quite a few links, just haven't gotten to that yet
[16:25:22] Tanthrix: I sat down late last night and turned the whole thing out, so there is still some polishing necessary, including putting the actual name of that kworld card in that I always forget
[16:29:29] fryfrog: kworld card?
[16:31:11] Tanthrix: fryfrog: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Kworld_ATSC_110
[16:31:14] fryfrog: ah
[16:31:22] fryfrog: the air2pc hd-3000 does it too
[16:31:29] fryfrog: and uh, pcHDTV-5500/5000?
[16:31:36] fryfrog: or maybe it is air2pc hd-5000
[16:31:41] fryfrog: i always get the "models" confused
[16:31:44] Tanthrix: I was just throwing in one or two examples
[16:32:43] Tanthrix: And I tend to favor the A180/Kworld since it works great and is the cheapest way to go for QAM/ATSC
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[16:36:07] Tanthrix: fryfrog: How does your firewire priming script account for changing nodes and such?
[16:36:47] fryfrog: Tanthrix: just like svn -fixes branch, it doesn't
[16:36:58] fryfrog: also, i read your entry and its great
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[16:37:18] fryfrog: I just moved to svn head and am trying *w/o* the script for a while, maybe latest svn works bettah
[16:43:43] Tanthrix: Gotcha.
[16:43:57] Tanthrix: And thanks – hopefully it will prove useful for some.
[16:44:27] Tanthrix: I've been wanting to make a grand recording guide just like that for recording everything, but that is a lot of work...
[16:44:38] Tanthrix: And I don't really know anything about dvb/satellite
[16:45:00] juski: we could *really* do with a good English language satellite guide
[16:45:04] Dibblah: It's the same as cable, but... Wireless!
[16:45:13] Tanthrix: hehe
[16:45:32] Dibblah: Nah. There's all sorts of wierdness to DVB-s.
[16:46:02] fryfrog: wireless!
[16:46:09] fryfrog: mmm, wireless power!
[16:46:36] juski: omg. that's not good news to start my weekend with. one of my cousins died last night. crashed into a traffic island with his son in the car – had a heart attack (which caused the crash). ffs
[16:47:03] Tanthrix: That's a shame, sorry to hear that.
[16:48:38] juski: aye. there but for the grace of $deity etc...
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[16:53:35] GreyFoxx: juski: :( Sorry to hear that. Is his Son ok ?
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[17:34:21] YoG_: I'm changing the settings in nvidia-settings (brightness, contrast...), but once I restart – these settings go back to default until I run nvidia-settings again... Can anyone tell me how to fix this?
[17:34:35] juski: GreyFoxx: yeah, well as ok as he could be I spose
[17:35:04] juski: YoG_: easy. nvidia-settings -l in your session file :) (re-loads previously set settings)
[17:35:34] YoG_: thanx juski, I'll try that
[17:36:56] juski: YoG_: AFAIK you can run it any time after X starts, so maybe in a local .xinitrc file instead
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[17:41:05] gbee: juski: the example in the dvbradioexport script has a typo – %CHANID should be %CHANID% ?
[17:41:38] juski: gbee: doh
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[17:42:33] juski: gbee: is that the only one?
[17:42:51] gbee: only one I noticed, which doesn't mean there aren't others
[17:43:19] gbee: I'm just setting it up as a userjob and noticed it wasn't right when cutting/pasting it
[17:43:28] juski: I'll have a scan though the rest
[17:44:10] gbee: hmm, there is a missing closing bracket in the description for exportdir
[17:46:02] juski: ah yes
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[17:48:29] juski: sorted. might get some more themes fixed up this weekend
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[17:49:14] YoG_: juski: no luck, it works only when I start nvidia-settings. When I try to run "nvidia-settings -l" from the terminal I get bunch of errors, something along the line: "ERROR: Unable to assign attribute..... (no Display connection)"
[17:51:39] juski: YoG_: ah then you probably need to set nvidia-settings to save settings on exit
[17:52:08] juski: then next time you load it (from a session within X or having exported DISPLAY to the correct value) it'll reinstate the right settings
[17:52:47] Tanthrix: YoG_: http://www.linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=25549
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[17:53:32] Tanthrix: And I didn't realize you had to do all that stuff...my settings seem to magically stay. At least, the Xv sync etc.
[17:53:43] majost: Is anyone successfully using a DiSEqC switch?
[17:54:16] bill2or3: not me.
[17:54:19] bill2or3: but I need to get one.
[17:54:25] majost: I seem to be having issues getting mine to switch with myth...
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[17:55:08] majost: I know the switch works, because everything works fine in windows
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[17:58:12] majost: the only thing I can find in the mailing lists about this issue is 1–2 years old
[17:58:18] majost: heh
[17:59:00] majost: and everything out there claims its been fixed
[17:59:00] majost: heh
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[18:01:40] juski: majost: just to clarify things a little – you know it works in windows in the same machine? or in another machine? dvb-s cards have been known to dip the 12V rail on PSUs just enough to make them not quite work right ;)
[18:02:29] majost: juski: It is a different machine... however it also is a genpix
[18:02:30] majost: =/
[18:03:33] juski: so if you know it works in windows in a different machine you don't really know anything of much use ;)
[18:04:13] majost: other than the hardware is not defective, thus it is a software problem.
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[18:04:34] juski: you do not know it's a software problem. you're comparing apples with oranges
[18:05:16] juski: have you tested the hardware outside of mythtv, as you're always recommended to do?
[18:05:18] majost: The device works... I can scan and watch stuff
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[18:05:28] majost: I just cant switch ports on the switch
[18:05:59] juski: sadly there's not much in the way of documentation for disecq setup because nobody has yet written any
[18:06:08] majost: *nod*
[18:06:08] juski: at least not in the wiki
[18:06:13] majost: the stuff I found is old
[18:06:22] majost: or seems to be, as the menus have changed
[18:06:46] juski: if your German is good, try the ubuntu section of mythwiki.de – there's apparently a good howto there
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[18:07:16] majost: I will give it a shot
[18:07:26] majost: thanks =)
[18:07:55] juski: it's frustrating sometimes – we get more folks here with dvb-s problems & we can't even yell at them to look at the docs :)
[18:08:10] majost: hehe
[18:08:14] YoG_: thanx juski, Tanthrix: rm removing the rc file did the trick, thanx
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[18:08:39] majost: I am supprised I managed to get as far as I did without any issues
[18:08:50] juski: please, _somebody_, put a good dvb-s section in the wiki. I'm begging here
[18:09:03] juski: if I knew the first thing about it I'd start one
[18:09:04] majost: especially with the number of patches I had to apply for everything
[18:09:04] majost: heh
[18:09:55] juski: not unofficial patches to mythtv I hope. we don't support that kind of thing here
[18:10:30] majost: yeah.. the dutch version stinks too
[18:10:31] majost: heh
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[18:11:12] Noble: if i'm compiling mythtv, trying to get xvmc working with my geforce mx440, do i use --enable-xvmc or --enable-xvmc-opengl ?
[18:11:32] majost: mostly to the dvb drivers
[18:11:32] fryfrog: i think just the first one
[18:11:50] majost: but the patch applied clean without any fuzz
[18:11:52] majost: =)
[18:12:51] majost: I think I am going to poke the genpix guy next too find out if there has been any complaints
[18:16:01] Dibblah: juski: Is there a DVB-t section?
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[18:19:09] Dibblah: juski: Sheesh. That's a mess :)
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[18:22:05] gbee: a lot of the wiki is in a bad state
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[18:22:42] vol: looks like debian-multimedia.org lenny repo has 0.20-svn20070714–0.0
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[18:26:59] Dibblah: okay. Links for the main DVB types made and the DVB article broken links sorted.
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[18:28:06] majost: well
[18:28:24] majost: when I figure this out I will try to commit my howto
[18:35:10] cesman: Noble: --enable-xvmc
[18:35:43] Noble: thanks
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[18:36:52] cesman: you're welcome
[18:39:03] tjcarter: I think I see why this thing needs a script to make sure it works.. =/
[18:39:20] fryfrog: firewire?
[18:39:25] tjcarter: yeh
[18:39:43] tjcarter: cesman: pls to be including this in next release..
[18:39:49] fryfrog: i'm just now trying svn head, i'll let you know if it works bettah
[18:39:53] fryfrog: or are you using svn head?
[18:40:08] tjcarter: preferably in compiled form  ;)
[18:40:27] tjcarter: it's a modified version of sa3250ch that handles more than one box
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[18:40:42] fryfrog: like 6200ch has the -p and -n options?
[18:40:52] fryfrog: (for port and node)
[18:41:48] tjcarter: yes
[18:41:59] tjcarter: okay, I think the box is the problem here
[18:42:09] tjcarter: it seems not to exist on the fw chain suddenly
[18:42:33] jams: time warner?
[18:42:38] tjcarter: minet
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[18:46:57] jams: welcome Anduin
[18:47:52] fryfrog: sudo plugreport doesn't show it at all?
[18:48:11] fryfrog: man, i'm way to used to ubuntu :/
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[18:48:36] tjcarter: fryfrog: yeah, reboot the box and it is fine now.
[18:51:35] tjcarter: I wish I could reduce the time the UI stays up after channel switch
[18:52:08] juski: you can :)
[18:52:24] tjcarter: Not by any means I have discovered yet
[18:52:29] jams: not with some cableboxes
[18:52:42] juski: ah thought you meant in myth :)
[18:52:43] jams: tjcarter- that is what your referring to ? the cablebox ui
[18:52:48] tjcarter: yes
[18:52:56] tjcarter: Scientific Atlanta 3250HD
[18:53:11] jams: yeah timewarner at one point let you set it to .5 secs then they pushed a new ui out where it's suck at 3–4 secs
[18:53:42] gbee: juski: the dvb radio export script, seems to be using the properties of the second audio stream but is transcoding the primary audio, so the 192kb/s stereo is being transcoded to a 64 kb/s mono mp3
[18:54:05] tjcarter: although my firewire_tester doesn't have -R ..
[18:54:20] tjcarter: so this script won't work as-is
[18:55:01] gbee: juski: http://pastebin.ca/636231
[18:55:25] tjcarter: if I were sure how to turn the box back on, I'd set up a managed power outlet for the box for use if I manage to break it again
[18:55:32] fryfrog: tjcarter: you can *see* the UI in your firewire output?
[18:55:39] tjcarter: nope
[18:55:43] fryfrog: oh
[18:55:45] fryfrog: me either :)
[18:55:53] fryfrog: so what are you talking about that?
[18:55:55] tjcarter: I would get 5 channels with the firewire output.
[18:55:59] fryfrog: you mean in *myth*?
[18:56:03] tjcarter: but I don't have an IR blaster
[18:56:13] fryfrog: 14:51 < tjcarter> I wish I could reduce the time the UI stays up after channel switch
[18:56:18] fryfrog: what did that mean?
[18:56:22] tjcarter: I'm using svideo =(
[18:56:28] fryfrog: OHHH
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[18:56:40] tjcarter: with firewire channel changing.
[18:57:01] gbee: juski: just to be clear, it's not actually a DVB radio recording, it's actually something recorded off E4 and that's why it has an AD track
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[18:57:22] tjcarter: now, if you can tell me how to set up on SAME box both HD over firewire for those 5 channels and S-Video for others...?
[18:57:43] tjcarter: I don't think Myth has a way to tell it that two separate interfaces are the same box.
[18:57:54] fryfrog: ahhh, so your firewire only does 5 channels?
[18:58:05] tjcarter: everything else is encrypted.
[18:58:08] fryfrog: ahhh
[18:58:15] fryfrog: hummm
[18:58:18] jams: guess he's not lucky like the foxx
[18:58:32] fryfrog: they *do* something like that for the HD/SD cards, so that if HD is in use it doesn't try to use SD
[18:58:51] fryfrog: but i don't think you can do it for firewire + another card
[18:58:55] juski: gbee: the output of ffmpeg must've changed. bugger
[18:59:08] tjcarter: well that's because they're one interface with two sources.
[18:59:12] Tanthrix: fryfrog: It's not another card – he's trying to do firewire and s-video from the same box
[18:59:27] tjcarter: that does work, yes
[18:59:28] Tanthrix: And needs it setup to if one is being used the other is not
[18:59:31] fryfrog: that is what i said
[18:59:42] Tanthrix: Er, I'm stupid.
[18:59:43] fryfrog: but you'd have a "firewire" box setup and to capture svideo, the PVR150
[18:59:59] fryfrog: you'd just need some way of telling myth that when 1 is busy, so is the otehr
[19:00:02] Tanthrix: Yah, I realize that promptly after what I said ;)
[19:00:05] tjcarter: this box has some HD channels over firewire.
[19:00:05] fryfrog: hehe :)
[19:00:10] tjcarter: not all
[19:00:47] tjcarter: I can get better resolution, etc, for those channels, but I can't seem to figure a way to tell myth not to simultaneously schedule a recording on another channel for that box.
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[19:01:27] tjcarter: I'm quite willing (eager in fact) to get another box for SD recording, but three of these things is a little excessive  ;)
[19:03:25] tjcarter: huh
[19:03:46] tjcarter: the device is present when off, and takes channel changes, but loses them when turned on.
[19:04:09] tjcarter: Also, I don't have any idea how to remotely turn on the box yet without an IR blaster or something
[19:06:02] juski: gbee: ahh hang on – to me it doesn't matter if the script doesn't work with streams that have more than one audio stream – it's only meant for dvb radio recordings that have *one* audio track
[19:07:04] juski: changing it to choose the 'best' track wouldn't be too hard though
[19:08:48] gbee: juski: I'll take a look at it, picking the first track should be sufficient
[19:09:22] juski: not always
[19:09:29] juski: it shouldn't be hard to choose the best stream
[19:09:39] gbee: right now it's parsing the output of ffmpeg -i to get the bitrate, but because there are two streams it's using the info for the second and not the first
[19:10:14] gbee: juski: tis better than not working with multi-audio recordings at all
[19:11:17] juski: maybe needs a tweak on the regex-fu then
[19:11:46] gbee: yeah, that's all
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[19:15:59] juski: I've just tested it by printing out the contents of each regex. it's pulling the right stuff out here
[19:16:07] juski: even on a regular recording
[19:19:56] juski: one thing though – maxbitrate isn't working
[19:21:58] juski: gbee: aha! the problem is with the ffmpeg command I think, not the regex-fu
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[19:22:43] juski: gbee: need to do some stream mapping :-\
[19:23:26] juski: huh? as the command is now, it should choose the first audio stream by default but NO
[19:24:10] gbee: juski: it's picking the first audio stream here, but is using the properties of the second (the origbitrate stuff)
[19:24:29] juski: what ver. ffmpeg you got?
[19:24:43] juski: I've got built on Mar 10 2007 12:29:44, gcc: 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5–13)
[19:25:18] juski: why oh why oh why oh WHY must the ffmpeg peeps keep re-arranging stuff? it's annoying
[19:25:50] juski: there is no conceivable reason on this Earth to change command line switches, yet they continue to do so
[19:27:06] jedix: so I got a new tuner because the one I had was supposed to be buggy with desicq switches, but no luck.
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[19:28:00] jedix: sigh
[19:28:29] juski: erm.. so somebody has mythweather-revamp working in the UK (mentioned on the -users ML) – where is the info on how to do this?!
[19:28:45] juski: scripts? que? huh?
[19:29:39] juski: gbee: I give up on the dvbradio export script then. may aswell on the ipod exporter script too. too much variance in ffmpeg is gonna break it for random people :-\
[19:30:09] juski: it'd be fab if mythtv could just do it without all this user job bollocks
[19:30:22] gbee: juski: they need to supply the script they have written
[19:30:49] gbee: juski: give me a second, I'm sure it's not really necessary to drop the script
[19:30:53] ** juski wonders whatever happened to 'mythexdport' anyway **
[19:32:54] jedix: I really hope the reverse channel guide patch is landed for .21
[19:37:24] jedix: does mythtv work with diseqc 2.0 switches?
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[19:44:30] jedix: I need a different video source for each lnb!?
[19:44:32] jedix: fuck.
[19:46:23] xris: jedix: please don't swear
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[19:46:51] Slyboots: Hey
[19:47:13] Slyboots: Hm, I know this aint a mythTV question of sorts, but how do you submit a edit to the MythTV wiki-pedia?
[19:47:16] jedix: sorry
[19:47:33] fryfrog: sign up for an account, then just do "edit" somewhere
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[19:47:43] fryfrog: make your changes, press "save" or "ok" or "submit" (or something)
[19:49:07] Dibblah: jedix: Yes, it does.
[19:49:16] Dibblah: And no, you don't.
[19:49:35] Dibblah: "Video source" is a misnomer for listing source.
[19:49:53] gbee: juski: it's quick and very dirty but the following should work in all cases – http://pastebin.ca/636303
[19:50:06] jedix: Dibblah: oh
[19:50:23] jedix: Dibblah: I was kinda hoping htat was it
[19:50:36] jedix: I now have two tuners that can't change the desicq switch
[19:51:03] gbee: you'll probably want to clean up the regexp, and setting origbitrate to -1 is just a safety thing, if we fail to match the bitrate then it will fall back to using the default of 192
[19:51:54] Slyboots: Huh..
[19:52:00] Slyboots: Someone has already beaten me to the punch :)
[19:52:00] Dibblah: jedix: You added a switch, I assume?
[19:52:09] Slyboots: I guess I missed it the first time around :D
[19:52:28] Slyboots: Was just going to add a note about adding "Timed Login" to GDM to auto-login incase MythTV crashes :P
[19:52:41] jedix: Dibblah: yes, I added a switch to my setup, but when I scan for channels, it still picks up the one satellite.. doesn't seem to change LNBs
[19:52:45] juski: gbee: go for it – I didn't even consider people might want to export audio from normal recordings when I made the script originally. it's really just for my Radio4 & BBC7 ;)
[19:53:25] Dibblah: Okay. So you have a switch with 2 LNBs attached?
[19:53:34] jedix: Dibblah: yes
[19:53:36] juski: regexes have never been my strong suit anyway :-P
[19:53:40] Dibblah: (In the diseqc setup screen)
[19:53:43] gbee: juski: I'm just using it to export the audio from a music video I recorded
[19:53:46] gbee: :)
[19:53:52] juski: gbee: I figured that
[19:53:53] jedix: Dibblah: yes
[19:53:58] Dibblah: jedix: mythbackend --version
[19:54:19] jedix: Library API version: 0.20.20060828–4
[19:54:29] jedix: linux release using_xvmcw using_v4l using_oss using_alsa using_arts using_jack using_ivtv using_firewire using_dbox2 using_hdhr using_ip_rec using_freebox using_live using_lirc using_joystick_menu using_dvb using_x11 using_xv using_xrandr using_xvmc using_xvmc_vld using_opengl_vsync using_opengl using_frontend using_backend
[19:54:56] Dibblah: So -fixes, then?
[19:54:56] gbee: juski: ok, I'll commit it once I'm sure the regexp is as tidy as I can make it
[19:55:03] jedix: Dibblah: yes
[19:55:45] Dibblah: Okay. And the correct input source is connected to each of the LNBs?
[19:56:47] juski: anyway, whatever *did* have to mythexport?
[19:56:53] juski: was anything ever submitted?
[19:57:09] juski: s/have/happen
[19:57:11] jedix: Dibblah: they are both using a zap2it input
[19:57:17] jedix: Dibblah: they are both using the same zap2it input
[19:57:36] jedix: err, video source
[19:57:43] jedix: do they need to be different?
[19:57:50] Slyboots: Anyone know where the mythtv buglist pages.. float about?
[19:58:17] gbee: svn.mythtv.org
[19:59:10] xris: jedix: if you're using zap2it to do dvb stuff, please don't talk about it here...
[19:59:40] jedix: man, I'm not doing well with the rules today.
[19:59:41] jedix: sorry
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[19:59:49] jedix: Dibblah: they are both using the same video source
[19:59:55] xris: jedix: well, general good rule to follow.. if it's illegal, don't talk about it here.
[19:59:58] Dibblah: jedix: Yes, they need to be different.
[20:00:35] Dibblah: If it doesn't see that they are different lineups, it won't differentiate between the inputs.
[20:01:14] gbee: Slyboots: if you are looking to report a bug, read http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/TicketHowTo first
[20:01:26] Slyboots: well, it seems to be a issue with xmltv :)
[20:01:32] Dibblah: Slyboots: Read it twice, in fact :)
[20:01:42] Slyboots: Dibblah: ... Eh?
[20:01:57] jedix: Dibblah: I think that did it
[20:01:59] jedix: thanks man
[20:02:06] jedix: xris: sorry again :/
[20:02:30] Dibblah: There's waaaay too many open tickets to be adding any more unnecessarily. :(
[20:02:42] gbee: Slyboots: ahh, your in the UK? Then you want the latest version – http://snapshot.xmltv.org/
[20:03:05] Slyboots: Goign to have to built it from source..
[20:03:11] gbee: it's a bug which was fixed last night
[20:03:17] Slyboots: Damn.. That always seems to go wrong in Ubuntu :(
[20:03:27] gbee: Slyboots: it's dead simple
[20:03:42] gbee: perl Makefile.pl; make; sudo make install
[20:03:55] Slyboots: oh I can get it to compile ;) But it often breaks everything in a hellish firestorm from which no living thing can escape..
[20:04:31] Slyboots: :D
[20:04:45] gbee: but uninstall the packaged version first, because it will probably install to a different location so you'd end up with two versions installed and that *will* cause problems
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[20:05:31] Slyboots: gbee: If I try to do that Ubuntu throws a hissy fit and tries to tug out half of the related packages because "It dont need em anymore"
[20:05:34] Slyboots: :D
[20:05:36] gbee: building and installing xmltv takes 30 seconds, not much can go wrong
[20:06:15] Slyboots: Trust me.. you've not seen me on a linux box ;)
[20:06:24] Slyboots: I can kernel panic machines by just pressing Num-lock
[20:06:39] Slyboots: lol
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[20:10:14] jhatch: Has anyone here gotten the optical port to work on a turtle beach riviera 5.1? So far I can only get the analog ports working...
[20:14:49] Slyboots: jhatch: that would be more of a Alsa issue no?
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[20:22:35] Ekskoo: I want to rename my mpg files automatically from my listings in the guide. I can't work out if mythrename.pl does this. Does anyone have any ideas on this?
[20:24:25] jhatch: Slyboots, probably... :)
[20:25:34] jhatch: however I suppose it is a myth question also... am I supposed to use the ac3 passthrough to spdif option?
[20:26:29] Slyboots: God only knows, I dont touch Alsamixer due to the 30ish options it has
[20:26:37] Slyboots: 29 of which do god only knows what ;)
[20:27:54] jhatch: he
[20:28:38] jhatch: hI know what you mean... which is why I'm stuck I supopse.
[20:30:54] keith4: how does the "pretty" folder work in knoppmyth?
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[20:31:06] keith4: it has human-readable symlinks to files in the mythtv directory
[20:31:15] keith4: but i can't figure out how to replicate that behavior
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[20:37:31] majost: in knoppmyth there is a cronjob
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[20:38:18] majost: #!/bin/sh
[20:38:18] majost: su mythtv -c /usr/local/bin/mythlink.sh
[20:38:31] majost: that creates all the symlinks
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[20:51:26] gbee: Slyboots: you must have upset your god :p
[20:52:07] Slyboots: hehe
[20:52:14] Slyboots: Missing too many dependancies :)
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[21:35:57] tjcarter: hmm, what I need is a DV bridge that takes component video..
[21:36:09] tjcarter: !
[21:36:16] tjcarter: let me rephrase that...
[21:36:28] tjcarter: hmm, what I need is a DV bridge that takes component video without a $2000+ price tag.
[21:39:23] jams: heh
[21:39:37] ** jams compiles php **
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[21:41:57] tjcarter: unless you know of HDMI or component capture cards for Linux?  ;)
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[21:49:05] jams: cant say that i do
[21:49:09] tjcarter: http://www.videoguys.com/pyroAVlink.html <--- that .. might do it.
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[22:08:37] fryfrog: does anyone know if the tuning time out setting in mythtv-setup is what determines how long it will wait for the external tuning script to finish?
[22:10:40] jedix: hrm
[22:10:59] jedix: I get choppy playback after OSD comes up in playback
[22:11:16] jedix: but only when deinterlace is bob x2
[22:12:07] Dagmar: So like the doctor says, if it hurts when you do that, then stop doing that
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[22:12:42] jedix: yeah
[22:12:55] Dagmar: Switch to a different deinterlacer
[22:12:56] jedix: guess I can use onefield
[22:13:01] Dagmar: Usually I leave it at kernel
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[22:13:04] jedix: doesn;t look that good
[22:13:12] jedix: I'm using xvmc
[22:13:26] Dagmar: ...but then I'm also using nVidia's svideo output just so Xv will handle all that
[22:13:28] xris: jedix: sd or hd?
[22:13:38] jedix: xris: both
[22:13:40] xris: or rather, tv-out, or vga/dvi?
[22:13:44] jedix: dvi
[22:13:53] xris: yeah, then you get to use a deinterlacer.
[22:14:04] xris: bob only works if your refresh rate is 2x the framerate you're watching.
[22:14:20] jedix: oh
[22:14:21] xris: no good if you watch things with different framerates (i vs p)
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[22:16:01] jedix: I probably don't hae that..
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[22:20:15] Tanthrix: Why would bob not work in that instance?
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[22:21:05] TUplink1: is somthing wrong with zap2it?/
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[22:22:55] TUplink1: n/m i got it
[22:24:58] TUplink1: is there a way to get my composit to come up in the tv listings?
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[22:25:25] Tanthrix: I wrote a wiki page on how to do that I think
[22:26:26] TUplink1: um... got a link?
[22:26:31] Tanthrix: Now I do ;) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/S-Video/Composite_Input
[22:26:33] Tanthrix: Had to find it
[22:26:44] hads: There's also a search box on the wiki...
[22:27:03] Tanthrix: That doesn't help if you don't remember what you called the page when you made it ;)
[22:27:11] Tanthrix: That and wiki search engines are god awful bad
[22:27:18] TUplink1: kool its loading.... im having another prob..... im trying to do " mythcommflag --gencutlist " and keep getting No program data exists for channel at
[22:27:45] Tanthrix: TUplink1: I just renamed the page, new link here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/S-Video/ . . . ut_Recording
[22:28:10] TUplink1: its alredy up :P
[22:28:27] Tanthrix: No worries then – just don't be confused if you try and go back and it's gone
[22:28:42] TUplink1: i tryed deleting the chanel info.... any ideas?
[22:28:51] Tanthrix: Ooo, it redirects automatically. Spiffy.
[22:29:00] TUplink1: kool
[22:29:17] Tanthrix: No idea about the mythcommflag issue, sorry.
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[22:32:26] TUplink1: hum....
[22:32:31] TUplink1: its anoying
[22:32:42] TUplink1: i want to remove the comercial :(
[22:33:27] TUplink1: maybe i can use phpmyadmin and look at the program data.... what table is it?
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[22:37:55] GreyFoxx: program
[22:38:17] GreyFoxx: Or are you referring to commercial cutting info ?
[22:45:15] Tanthrix: I wonder if Stargate SG-1 did their special effects at film resolution or instead converted to digital beta at 480i or something
[22:45:56] ** Tanthrix wants to watch the first seasons in HD someday **
[22:46:51] GreyFoxx: I highly doubt you will see the early seasons in HD except for upscaled stuff
[22:47:15] GreyFoxx: and scifi took over the last several seasons and didn't shoot anything in hd
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[22:47:22] TUplink1: um... trying to actuly remove the comercials from the NUV's
[22:47:29] Tanthrix: I'm sure they don't exist now, but if they filmed with 35mm film and did special effects at that resolution it can be converted
[22:47:50] Tanthrix: And that's not true – the last 3 seasons of SG-1 were HD, as well as all of Atlantis – just not on the sci-fi channel.
[22:48:04] Tanthrix: (Not that anyone would actually want to watch the last 3 seasons...;)
[22:48:13] olds: nerd alert!
[22:48:14] GreyFoxx: From what I read they were upscaled from SD resolutions, but I never saw any of them
[22:48:27] Tanthrix: olds: Damn straight!
[22:48:37] GreyFoxx: I should say, never saw them in HD, I've seen every SG1 episode many times
[22:48:47] olds: :)
[22:49:07] Tanthrix: GreyFoxx: http://www.rdanderson.com/stargate/scenes/greenburg.htm That suggests that at least 8 was HD. I know Atlantis is all HD for certain as I've seen it on UHD
[22:49:09] ** GreyFoxx has a row of SG1 seasons on DVD **
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[22:49:40] Tanthrix: In any case, I think the dvds are 24fps, so that suggests that they were using film and not tape for the masters
[22:49:52] Tanthrix: But I find it hard to believe they would do the special effects at anything but SD resolution
[22:50:03] GreyFoxx: It's funny, you stazrted talking about sg1 while Iw as readon the sg1 newsgroup :)
[22:50:09] Tanthrix: hehe
[22:50:32] Tanthrix: Star Trek DS9 for instance was filmed on 35 film, then converted to digital beta at 480i for post processing and special effects.
[22:50:52] Tanthrix: Which means, if they really wanted to, they could remaster all the episodes in HD with new special effects. I suspect the same is true for Stargate
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[22:51:12] Tanthrix: (Since 35mm film is at or above HD resolutions)
[22:51:56] GreyFoxx: It would be interesting to see
[22:52:25] GreyFoxx: I'm saddend when I go back and watch season 1 on DVD and they are in 4:#
[22:52:28] GreyFoxx: 4:3
[22:53:01] Tanthrix: 4:3 ? Were they done open matte or something? (I've got the widescreen versions on my computer)
[22:53:23] GreyFoxx: Tanthrix: All I know is that they are 4:3 on the DVD season 1 box set I have
[22:53:57] Tanthrix: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stargate-SG-1-Richard . . . s/B00004T8TB <--A comment in the ratings there suggests that season 1 was not filmed with 35mm film, but the other ones were
[22:55:38] Tanthrix: GreyFoxx: Not sure what you've got, but the two Season 1 sets on amazon.com are 1.78:1 and 1.66:1 respectively
[22:56:36] GreyFoxx: if I wasn't so lazy I'ds go get the box
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[23:24:34] dererk: Hi here
[23:25:07] dererk: I need a bit of help to set up my 2 bt878 cards up
[23:25:28] dererk: Both throw the same error when scanning for channels
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[23:26:24] rowdy: i am using pvr 350 with remote..irw shows that remote is recognized and the commands received but mythtv doesnt pick it up
[23:26:44] dererk: I already read the wiki, but there is nothing in there that I 've not already done
[23:26:58] rowdy: please help me setup remote for mythtv
[23:27:49] rowdy: anybody there
[23:28:02] dererk: Both of as, asking :P
[23:28:34] rowdy: hey derek where are u stuck
[23:29:24] dererk: rowdy, My mythtv doesn't want to scan channels up :(
[23:29:40] rowdy: i solved that
[23:29:46] rowdy: whose ur provider
[23:29:47] dererk: rowdy, how!
[23:29:58] dererk: No, it's not that problem
[23:30:05] dererk: I don't even go throw it
[23:30:16] rowdy: what does that mean
[23:30:27] dererk: It stuck and says something like "can't set up card"
[23:30:29] juski: rowdy: if irw works you probably just need to make sure you've got a file called lircrc in ~/.mythtv/
[23:31:38] rowdy: thanks juski , dererk i am going to try juski's suggestion. will be right back
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[23:31:52] dererk: rowdy, good luck pal
[23:33:22] juski: the lircrc file (note the lack of leading dot) is what mythtv reads to translate lirc presses into actions. also note that sections not containing 'prog = mythtv' will be useless
[23:33:23] dererk: This is what I do: -> connections -> my-card (tv) ->
[23:33:57] juski: dererk: scanning doesn't work too well with analogue AFAIK
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[23:34:34] dererk: juski, I can't do anything in fact
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[23:34:49] juski: and FYI it's best practise to make sure your hardware works in linux before even going near mythtv, so if you've not yet seen a TV picture from your card – get on it
[23:35:22] dererk: In fact, I watch tv using TvTime right now
[23:35:27] dererk: with both cards
[23:35:55] dererk: juski, It's just that MythTv doesn't want to do anything with my card
[23:36:01] dererk: juski, nor logging :/
[23:36:07] Esine: dererk, well maybe you should close TvTime before trying to use MythTV :|
[23:36:22] dererk: Esine, I'm not that silly :)
[23:36:59] dererk: This could help:
[23:37:12] dererk: In the "Connect source to input" menu
[23:37:29] dererk: Video is set to NONE and
[23:37:31] juski: input connections you mean
[23:38:10] dererk: juski, I've it in spanish, so I don't know the exactly translation. Sorry :/
[23:38:13] juski: and rather confusingly, 'video sources' are not actually sources of video signals but the name mythtv gives to EPG data sources
[23:39:32] dererk: I just need a bit of help to start doing something, that's all :(
[23:39:37] dererk: I'm really stuck
[23:39:49] fryfrog: dererk: what kind of card do you have?
[23:39:55] fryfrog: oh, nm 2x bt878 :/
[23:39:59] dererk: fryfrog, Bt878
[23:40:02] fryfrog: where are you?
[23:40:07] dererk: .ar
[23:40:10] fryfrog: that you actually have to scan for channels
[23:40:11] fryfrog: ah :/
[23:40:37] fryfrog: does it work with xawtv or tvtime okay?
[23:40:43] dererk: I don't want to fetch channels data, just scan frequencies
[23:40:53] dererk: fryfrog, yes, perfectly fine
[23:41:00] fryfrog: hummm
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[23:41:11] fryfrog: you've picked one of the few card's i have no experience with :(
[23:41:16] rowdy: Thanks juski it works now
[23:41:22] fryfrog: bitbucket/framegrabbers are teh suke :)
[23:41:29] fryfrog: does btaudio at least work on yours?
[23:41:39] juski: oh yeah and because nobody has yet written a guide on how/why analogue scanning works, I firmly believe it does *not* :)
[23:42:01] dererk: juski, if that's true
[23:42:11] dererk: I could set channels manually
[23:42:17] rowdy: dererk: i am sorry bud, i dont even know what u guys are talking about
[23:42:31] dererk: but, as you may realise, I can't either
[23:42:42] dererk: rowdy, you don't have to worry dude ;)
[23:42:50] juski: if that's true then you let the EPG grabber add mythtv's channels, then add the frequency data yourself. or if you use zap2it, IIRC that stuff comes in by itself
[23:42:51] dererk: rowdy, I don't either :)
[23:43:12] rowdy: :) i hear ya...been there...A LOT!!!
[23:43:30] dererk: juski, how could I do that?
[23:44:45] dererk: if I could just sintonize one, only one channel I would be pretty much happy
[23:44:56] juski: dererk: see those documents lying over there at www.mythtv.org? and the wiki, in the pile at www.mythtv.org/wiki/ ? those come in real handy
[23:45:30] juski: lesson #1. don't try to do a half-assed mythtv install. you'll only fail / get disappointed
[23:46:18] juski: you can sit there for weeks trying different things in various combinations but I'll bet you'll get bored before you get anything to work
[23:47:59] ** dererk trying hardly to guess what's EPG **
[23:48:22] cesman: Google
[23:48:22] juski: electronic programme guide
[23:48:42] juski: reality dawns. it's definitely the weekend
[23:49:48] dererk: You may forgive my stupidity
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[23:51:14] juski: hey look I'm just trying to hint that you really need to read some docs or you don't stand a chance
[23:51:55] dererk: juski, I'm, don't worry
[23:52:17] dererk: it's that it seems I can't explain myself that well
[23:52:26] juski: ask questions about stuff in the docs you might not understand if you like :)
[23:52:27] dererk: EPG seems to be _really_ far away from what I need now
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[23:52:42] juski: mythtv is impotent without its EPG data
[23:52:48] juski: VERY impotent
[23:53:10] dererk: I see
[23:53:24] dererk: then I've no chance of using it :/
[23:53:58] dererk: I meant, I've no local broadcast tv guide
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[23:54:17] dererk: broadcasting *
[23:54:34] juski: you can still set it to record stuff manually, like say "record channel 10 at 2pm for one hour"
[23:54:58] dererk: that may still be nice :))
[23:55:00] juski: but without being able to tell what is on & when it's shown..
[23:55:17] dererk: I could survive without that :P
[23:55:37] juski: also, the most you can record in livetv without a programme guide is one hour. Chunks of one hour
[23:55:47] just_joe: does anybody have a minute to help me out with my mythdora installation? it suddenly stopped recording shows
[23:55:48] dererk: juski, let's do this, I'm going to keep looking at wiki for basic information
[23:56:26] dererk: juski, and then I'll be back to keep making your day harder :P
[23:57:05] juski: ha. my day is almost over :)
[23:57:38] dererk: hehe
[23:57:39] directhex: technically it's just begun, since it's ~1am
[23:58:01] dererk: oh, the nicer part of being globalized :)
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