Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, July 22nd, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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imperfect-:

well it came w/ the hauppage card

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kormoc:

Speedy2, actually, I should also state that _SlicerDicer_ was able to get his cable co (cableone) to go from encrypted firewire to open and able to be captured. There's lots of sucess stories and people who use it, it's just not typically heard about as much as the ones that don't work

[00:02:00]

Speedy2:

kormoc: He just called them up and requested it?

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kormoc:

Speedy2, aye, took a few times to get to the right people but yeah, basically so

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Tanthrix:

imperfect-: You'd be wise to get a cable box with firewire (they have to give you one by law) and try that first. Better quality, since you're not converting to analog then back to digital. And you can get your HD channels possibly.

[00:02:48]

chuk:

are spdif connections on the motherboard the same for optical as coax?

[00:02:56]

imperfect-:

I think I can get it for an extra charge

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Tanthrix:

All my channels minus the OTA stuff are encrypted via QAM, but they all work over firewire (Portland, OR Comcast) including HD minus 2 channels

[00:03:12]

Speedy2:

chuk: SPDIF optical or coax carries the same data.

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kormoc:

imperfect-, firewire is legally required by *law* to be given on request to the customer at no charge if said customer has a HD subscription

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chuk:

thx speedy

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imperfect-:

I thought you guys just told me firewire was way buggy?

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Tanthrix:

imperfect-: Now, it being reliable is another matter...bout once a week I need to reset it. But I hear there are some nice scripts for getting around that that I haven't tried yet.

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kormoc:

imperfect-, it's been stable for 6 to 9 months at least

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Tanthrix:

It's not way buggy, but it's not perfect either. Needs a lot of tweaking sometimes, but many have been able to get it working solidly

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kormoc:

of course, it all depends on the cable box and your firewire cards, but it's stable in myth

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Tanthrix:

I'm pretty sure mine will work solidly if I get those scripts setup

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Speedy2:

I'd say avoid VIA firewire.

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Tanthrix:

Since it's so close now

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imperfect-:

Has there been any progress getting the uPNP stuff to work?

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imperfect-:

Last time I played with this vista would detect the box but not let me play anything off of it

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kormoc:

imperfect-, so try it again and see?

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imperfect-:

I plan to ;)

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jedix:

hrm

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jedix:

maybe I can change to non-xvmc and find a way to fix the choppy

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imperfect-:

Oh I remember now! I was getting all sort of crazy issues with tv playback

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imperfect-:

Everything would start to look like it had a fuzzy select tool around it

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imperfect-:

I wonder if that stuff got dealt with yet

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Tanthrix:

jedix: What are your system specs?

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jedix:

Tanthrix: amd 3500+, 1gb ram, 2x500gb sata hdd, 6600GT

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jedix:

I'm willing to buy a new cpu if that would help

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Tanthrix:

That should be fast enough for sure...

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Led-Hed:

anyone here ever build MiniMyth from souce?

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Tanthrix:

I've found that myth can be a real POA about video playback, compared to say mplayer

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Tanthrix:

(Of course, it's doing much more)

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hads:

Led-Hed: I used to

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Tanthrix:

But on my XP 2600+ I was able to do 1080i MPEG2 without XvMC via mplayer just fine, but in Myth it would stutter almost all of the time

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jedix:

so, maybe I should try and get libmpg or something going?

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Led-Hed:

hads, do know of any HowTO's for building it?

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Tanthrix:

Might be worthwhile. Have you tried messing with the audio settings (buffering and such) as well as trying OSS if you're using ALSA?

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Tanthrix:

What errors are you getting when it stutters?

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jedix:

2007-07–21 20:19:17.730 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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jedix:

2007-07–21 20:19:17.903 NVP: prebuffering pause

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Speedy2:

jedix: I'm seeing the exact same problem.

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jedix:

Speedy2: what do you do?

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jedix:

use xvmc?

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hads:

Led-Hed: I don't think so. The main (only?) developer was pretty active on the forums though.

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Speedy2:

jedix: I haven't solved it yet. I tried with and without xvmc, it didn't make a difference. I think it has something to do with ALSA.

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Speedy2:

jedix: When I'm playing a live stream I see those errors. When I play a recorded stream I don't see any errors, just a lot of jerking.

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Speedy2:

jedix: Do you see the same thing?

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Led-Hed:

hads, It works great for my EPIA based frontend, but now I want to use it on my AMD + nVidia frontends and need the nVidia Legacy Drivers compiled in.

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jedix:

Speedy2: haven't checked the logs for playback

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hads:

Led-Hed: No idea sorry. I shifted to a NFS root full distro a while ago.

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jedix:

Speedy2: hrm

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jedix:

Speedy2: I may have found it

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Speedy2:

jedix: Oh?

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Led-Hed:

hads, what do you mean? Do you still netboot?

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jedix:

Speedy2: ring buffer fhr hd

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jedix:

Speedy2: I had it maxed

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Speedy2:

jedix: You increased it?

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jedix:

Speedy2: decrease actually

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Speedy2:

jedix: What was it set to? What did you set it to?

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hads:

Led-Hed: Yes, but I use an NFS root off my main backend now.

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Speedy2:

jedix: Mine's at the default 9400 KB I think.

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Led-Hed:

hads, that sounds cool.

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jedix:

Speedy2: I put it all the way down

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Speedy2:

jedix: Let me try that out, one sec.

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jedix:

video still seems choppy but sound doesn't skip

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Tanthrix:

jedix: Using ALSA or OSS?

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hads:

Led-Hed: I use Ubuntu so I just setup an ubuntu root filesystem on my backend. It's fairly straight forward and has been more stable for me.

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jedix:

Tanthrix: ALSA

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Tanthrix:

Switch it to /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer for OSS and give it a try.

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Tanthrix:

Man, we really need a way to disable audio in myth for testing purposes. I wish I could code worth a damn..

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jedix:

Tanthrix: I'm using digital out

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Tanthrix:

jedix: Just try it.

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Led-Hed:

hads, I like ubuntu, but I had trouble with DPMS.

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jedix:

Tanthrix: sure

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Tanthrix:

jedix: It's called process of elimination. You may very well have an audio problem, and mucking with video and etc. could be a waste of time.

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Led-Hed:

hads, where can I find out more about your root NFS setup?

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Tanthrix:

jedix: And if you don't have OSS, you could just do /dev/basdasd3 so it has no audio, and see if that fixes it.

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hads:

Led-Hed: Google: ubuntu nfs root

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Led-Hed:

hads, thanks.

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kash:

myth is trying to use the wrong audio device for my second tuner even though i have it setup correctly in mythtv-setup

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kash:

:(

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kash:

i restarted backend as well after changing it

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jedix:

Tanthrix: not alsa

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Tanthrix:

jedix: You mean you're not using alsa now?

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jedix:

Tanthrix: I mean it still happens without alsa

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Tanthrix:

jedix: Ok, now try doing /dev/asar324e1, and make sure you disable pass through.

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Tanthrix:

(where asar324e1 == gibberish)

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jedix:

Tanthrix: same

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Tanthrix:

jedix: Ok. Have you tried using opengl-vsync ?

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jedix:

no

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Speedy2:

jedix: Good catch! I changed it from 9400 to 4700 and also disabled video as time base for play back. Now recorded shows look great!

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kash:

no matter what i try it still says /dev/dsp2 when i switch inputs

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kash:

even though /dev/dsp is for the second card

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Speedy2:

jedix: Let me try with xvmc and see if it works with that.

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jedix:

Tanthrix: where do I enable that?

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jedix:

Speedy2: yeah, I still get frames dropped in the video playback though :/

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Tanthrix:

jedix: Playback settings

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my2keh:

anyone configured a hauppage remote?

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kash:

lots of people.

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kash:

not me though :)

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my2keh:

lol

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my2keh:

I can't get it to work

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hads:

lol?

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hads:

Did you really just laugh out loud then?

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my2keh:

uhh sure?

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kash:

hads is the lolpolice

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jedix:

Tanthrix: I don't see it there

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my2keh:

awesome, we need that lol

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my2keh:

lol

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kash:

lol

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Tanthrix:

jedix: Might not have the support compiled in then. Out of curiosity, when you playback something, what does it say in the terminal is the timing method that you're using? RTC?

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my2keh:

jedix>> didja get the cutting thing working? for the start of the show?

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jedix:

my2keh: yeah, thanks

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my2keh:

well do tell

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my2keh:

how did you do it

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kormoc:

hads, I'm just convinced that people convert to 8 year olds when they join a new channel

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hads:

I think you might be right there.

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my2keh:

what if you are already 8?

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kash:

kormoc: apparently that's illegal, according to dateline NBC :O

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kash:

cyber predators beware! my2keh is a cop.

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kormoc:

my2keh, then there is no change

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my2keh:

OoOoOO

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kormoc:

kash, well, dateline NBC has more FUD to boost their ratings

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kash:

kormoc: do you have any idea about the issue i have with myth not switching audio devices when i switch inputs?

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jedix:

Tanthrix: don't see it there.

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kormoc:

nopers

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jedix:

2007-07–21 14:42:44.076 Video timing method: USleep with busy wait

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jedix:

Tanthrix: how do I make that trc?

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Tanthrix:

jedix: Hrm, I wonder why not RTC.

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jedix:

rtc

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Tanthrix:

I had timing problems that was giving me issues on my system

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Tanthrix:

Who knows – you're in no man's land now. I say give up and buy a new system. ;)

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kormoc:

if RTC isn't there, it would use USleep

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dsb:

hi

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Tanthrix:

Myth is just not very robust across hardware – I've read and seen a ton of people with your same problem – myth stuttering on playback on a system that is more than capable, even when mplayer / xine / whatever works without trouble.

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kash:

you need RTC in your linux kernel

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Tanthrix:

Well, not not robust, just complicated.

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Tanthrix:

Lot of stuff going on, hard to find the cause sometimes

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kormoc:

that's less myth and more drivers tho

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jedix:

it's ubuntu kernel

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Tanthrix:

Well, if mplayer / xine / anything else can work fine doing video playback, and myth doesn't, it's hard not to place some of the blame on its complexity.

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dsb:

I've upgraded to Fiesty, and then an arduous process to get nvidia working again, then only to find invisible menus on myth frontend. Any ideas why?

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: But, you're right, it's definately some kind of weird hardware / driver issue that causes it. My issues a while back had to do with timer problems and the nforce chipset

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jedix:

how can I check for rtc?

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jedix:

crw-rw---- 1 root audio 10, 135 2007-07–19 20:22 /dev/rtc

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jedix:

...

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Tanthrix:

jedix: It might have nothing to do with the problem. But, if you want to use an alternative timing method, recompile with opengl support and use that.

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jedix:

?

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kormoc:

jedix, you might not have permissions to use it as your user

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kormoc:

jedix, make sure your user is in the audio group

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jedix:

my user is in group audio

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, opengl vsync != timing method

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, now granted they're sorta used interchangably, but fixing the RTC issue can help other areas too

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frame_display_timing

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Tanthrix:

Thought it was

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jedix:

I don;t know why it's using usleep..

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jedix:

how do I make it use rtc?

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Tanthrix:

jedix: Try running mythfrontend as root just to see if it works

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Tanthrix:

If so, then it's probably some sort of permissions issue

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, well, I guess I'm saying myth uses timing in more then just the video display, so fixing RTC helps even if you're not gonna use it for video display

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Speedy2:

jedix: After I set the ring buffer down and disabled RTC for timing, my playback looks good. I'll have to try OpenGL for vsync and run an interlaced modeline to be sure

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: Gotcha

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Speedy2:

kormoc: Is OpenGL sync working again in newer nvidia drivers?

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jedix:

Speedy2: you're not using RTC?

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kormoc:

seems to on mine

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kormoc:

but it's been a month or so sense I last tested it

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Speedy2:

kormoc: What nvidia driver level are you running?

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Tanthrix:

Speedy2: Just go in nvidia-settings an enable Xv sync. No more tearing, no need for opengl vsync.

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kormoc:

Speedy2, a 9669 was the one I was using iirc

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Speedy2:

Tanthrix: I think I have Xv sync enabled there, just been awhile sinc I looked.

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Speedy2:

Tanthrix: So with Xv sync enabled, you also don't have RTC playback ticked?

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Tanthrix:

The two are unrelated

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Tanthrix:

My cat has lost two pounds. This makes me happy.

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kormoc:

speaking of unrelated things...

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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dsb:

any idea about invisible menus?

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Tanthrix:

Sorry, just weighted him. Put him on a diet since he was 21 pounds.

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Tanthrix:

dsb: Just seeing the backgroud, nothing else?

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dsb:

Tanthris: yes, see the project grayhem theme, no text, no icons. I can hit enter and it will watch tv, esc will prompt do I want to exit

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Tanthrix:

Run myth as "mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt"

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Tanthrix:

Your GL support isn't working

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my2keh:

do I need to install ivtv to make the Hauppauge remote work?

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my2keh:

anyone know?

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JayRoe:

my2keh I installed v4l-dvb to make it work

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com4:

Where is the last channel that was tuned stored?

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dsb:

Tanthrix that did the trick. Is there something I can do to make it permanent?

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Tanthrix:

com4: Everything is stored in the db.

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JayRoe:

can someone tell me why mythtv restores my gnome panels? I've removed them and they're gone on reboot, but when I run mythtv they get restored.

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com4:

Tanthrix: I'm aware of that... where specifically is the last channel tuned?

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Tanthrix:

dsb: Make sure glx is enabled in your xorg. Best fix is to get gl working. But if you absolutely can't, just go into apperance settings and change GL to QT

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Tanthrix:

com4: Not sure, sorry.

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dsb:

Tanthrix thanks! back to the terminal I go

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kash:

god damnit

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Tanthrix:

dsb: No prob.

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Tanthrix:

(Essentially, it's a video card problem and your fix will involve changing the xorg and/or video card driver, so that's the direction you should head)

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jedix:

sigh

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jedix:

I think I'll put up with the choppy OSD

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Tanthrix:

jedix: Did you try running as root?

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kash:

jedix why's it choppy?

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kash:

XvMC enabled?

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JayRoe:

can anyone tell me why mythfrontend restores my gnome-panels or at least tell me how I tell mythfrontend to stay on top?

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kash:

JayRoe: delete gnome.

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jedix:

Tanthrix: no I have not

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kash:

ohh

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Tanthrix:

jedix: ...well do it.

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jedix:

kash: xvmc causes choppy OSD, without it.. others chop on playback

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JayRoe:

kash, what window manager can you suggest? The tv is only the secondary screen.

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jedix:

Tanthrix: wilco

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jedix:

sigh

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jedix:

not allowed to login to gdm

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Tanthrix:

jedix: You don't need to log out and log in, just su to root in the terminal, or sudo

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jedix:

working on it

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jedix:

I can't su without a terminal window

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** jedix logs in as a user **

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jedix:

Tanthrix: same

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Tanthrix:

That's a shame.

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jedix:

indeed

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kash:

what graphics card is this?

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mattwj2005:

hey guys

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mattwj2005:

I know this is a bit off topic but it is super funny if your a Star Trek fan

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mattwj2005:

http://www.bitchslapp.com/viewtopic.php?t=285

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jedix:

nvidia 6600GT

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Hoxzer:

03:40 <+Caesar^> oon harvinaisen varma tästä asiasta

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Hoxzer:

03:41 < Quazer`> no älä oo tol asenteel

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Hoxzer:

03:41 <+Caesar^> :P

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Hoxzer:

03:41 < Quazer`> ei ihme jos tytöt ei lämpee

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Hoxzer:

03:41 <+Caesar^> enmä sitä tytöille kerro senki höpsö :)

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Hoxzer:

03:41 <+Caesar^> juttelen niille iha normaalisti

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Hoxzer:

03:41 <+Caesar^> non kivoja

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Hoxzer:

03:41 < Quazer`> nonii

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Hoxzer:

03:41 < Quazer`> sit heität väliin muutaman hyvän vitsin ja vähä flirttii nii kyl se siitä

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Hoxzer:

03:42 <+Caesar^> =)

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Hoxzer:

Sry guys ....

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my2keh:

hmm

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Hoxzer:

Accidents happen :(

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jedix:

kash: any ideas?

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kash:

nope

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kash:

which drivers are you using?

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kash:

and what CPU do you have

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kash:

what capture card

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kash:

(sorry i can't scroll up to read it :P)

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jedix:

newest driver

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jedix:

amd 3500+

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jedix:

and it's a vision plus 1020

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kash:

err

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kash:

what chipset and driver does it use

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my2keh:

dvb oOoOO

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jedix:

?

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow at my2keh **

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kash:

it's an ATSC or DVB card?

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my2keh:

twinhan is dvb

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my2keh:

sshhh

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jedix:

dvb-s

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kormoc:

my2keh, are you on crack?

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my2keh:

kormoc>> not at the moment

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my2keh:

thanks

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kash:

jedix: what resolution

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jedix:

1200x720

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jedix:

is that high

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kash:

it's HD

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jedix:

yep

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kash:

you either need a beefier processor or put up with the choppy OSD

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kash:

which processor is that, exactly

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jedix:

with xvcmc?

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kash:

xvmc gives you problems with the OSD

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kash:

without it you need a good processor

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kash:

bbl going to eat

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kormoc:

a 3500+ should be enough

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kormoc:

XvMC is flaky, at times it helps, at times it hurts, and at times it doesn't do anything

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kormoc:

Try disabling it and seeing how it is

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imperfect-:

Great

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imperfect-:

So like if my plasma is 1024x768

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imperfect-:

Is that not really HD?

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kormoc:

no, it's not

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imperfect-:

fucking lame

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imperfect-:

why did I buy this then

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imperfect-:

damnit

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antiNeo:

I don't have a tuner card, but I'm trying to get mythtv to simply browse the local filesystem and play the videos I have there. it seems most of the documentation out there is about tuners...

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Tanthrix:

imperfect-: Good question ;)

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jedix:

kormoc: it's choppy without it

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jedix:

video is

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imperfect-:

Damn thing said it would do 720p

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kormoc:

antiNeo, mythvideo is the plugin to view videos, but you'll still need mysql running and all that jazz

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Tanthrix:

imperfect-: It probably does, 1080i too, it's just that it's not native. Downscales.

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antiNeo:

kormoc: alright, thanks. I already got all that jazz, fortunately ;)

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kormoc:

jedix, cpu bound or io bound?

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imperfect-:

Tanthrix: so I wasted 1200$

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jedix:

kormoc: from what I can tell.. neither

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Tanthrix:

imperfect-: Not wasted – it's still a decent TV likely. If it really pains you though, try selling it.

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imperfect-:

Tanthrix: well I mean. I thought I was getting 720p is all ;(

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jedix:

Cpu(s): 45.8%us, 50.8%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 1.7%hi, 1.7%si, 0.0%st

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jedix:

doesn't seem to be either.

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jedix:

but it is choppy.

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Tanthrix:

jedix: Dual core system?

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kormoc:

jedix, well, you're not io bound, but your cpu is being fully used, so it could be processor bound

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imperfect-:

Tanthrix: The problem being Ii'll be feeding it analog VGA at first... so I have no chance of being able to watch HD content at 1080i, will i?

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Tanthrix:

If so, 50 means one core is being maxed out. Press 1 while running top to see the cores individually

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jedix:

it's 50%

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kormoc:

imperfect-, not at entirely fully

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jedix:

but, it's one core..

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jedix:

Cpu0 : 51.0%us, 47.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.5%hi, 0.9%si, 0.0%st

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kormoc:

jedix, uhh, what you show there is fully used

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Tanthrix:

imperfect-: In that case, myth will be doing the resizing instead of the TV.

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kormoc:

jedix, us is user time, sy is system time

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Tanthrix:

imperfect-: So, you can playback anything and your system will scale it to 1024x768 appropriately

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imperfect-:

kormoc: will myth do whatever magic is neccessary to make it display properly if I get a OTA HD signal?

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imperfect-:

Close enough I guess.

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kormoc:

imperfect-, it'll downsample it, aye

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imperfect-:

Will going to get the DVI->HDMI and a nvidia card help me with this at all

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imperfect-:

Or will I have the same results?

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jedix:

kormoc: oh

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Tanthrix:

imperfect-: Same results as what?

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jedix:

then I shall buy a new core.

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kormoc:

imperfect-, same results, unless your tv limits your vga input

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imperfect-:

K

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imperfect-:

So for real 720p/1080i in native resolution

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imperfect-:

I'm spending 3k

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kormoc:

jedix, the id number is idle, the wa is waiting for io

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Tanthrix:

imperfect-: Essentially, your TV has a native (max) resolution of 1024x768. It may support other resolutions, but they are ALL stretched / downsampled to 1024x768

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imperfect-:

Nod

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kormoc:

sadly not always Tanthrix

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imperfect-:

that sounds to me like it sucks

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Tanthrix:

imperfect-: When using myth, you want to output at 1024x768, then let myth do all the scaling / etc..

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kormoc:

some tv's limit the VGA to a smaller res then they are natively for some strange reason

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jedix:

would an X2 4600+ do?

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kormoc:

jedix, typically, yeah, they work well enough

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imperfect-:

I've had the VGA

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: Oh, I know, but his won't. He has a Samsung set, not some cheapie one

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imperfect-:

It's always 1024x768

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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imperfect-:

I've had this setup before with Vista

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imperfect-:

and w/ the PS3

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jedix:

I just hope the mobo supports it

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imperfect-:

I swear, if the PS3 supported more file types I wouldnt even need to hook my backend up

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imperfect-:

;)

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imperfect-:

well

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imperfect-:

I just bought a 2k BED

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imperfect-:

so basically It'll be a while before i buy a better TV ;)

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Tanthrix:

That's a lot for a bed.

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imperfect-:

Tanthrix: It feels really nice ;)

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kormoc:

it better

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Tanthrix:

Seriously.

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Tanthrix:

imperfect-: By the way, your set is selling for 750–800 on ebay if you want to sell.

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imperfect-:

I'm done spending money for a while

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imperfect-:

plus

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imperfect-:

I just paid 1200 open-box in April

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Tanthrix:

imperfect-: For any purchase above $100 you should do at least 10 minutes of research for every increasing hundred dollar amount

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kormoc:

imperfect-, I don't believe you. Give me your bank account numbers, I'll find the money somewhere!

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imperfect-:

Tanthrix: Yeah. I guess I'm just an idiot

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Tanthrix:

imperfect-: For $1200, that's 2 hours you should have spent reading up on TVs ;)

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Tanthrix:

Or be like me, and spend weeks searching

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Tanthrix:

I'm very picky, so I try and research the hell out of all my purchases

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imperfect-:

Tanthrix : Yeah.

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imperfect-:

Tanthrix : It was a tent sale at HH Gregg. I couldn't help myself. it was so purty

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Tanthrix:

Don't be fooled by the shininess!

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Tanthrix:

(In April, you could have purchased my full 1080P aquos from costco.com for $1550 shipped)

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Tanthrix:

Same screen size as yours, 42 inch

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imperfect-:

Yep

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imperfect-:

I feel like a tool

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imperfect-:

You're the best

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kormoc:

just remember, when you want shiny happy, shiny isn't enough

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imperfect-:

=)

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Tanthrix:

Though, it's got the damned banding problem

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imperfect-:

It's okay though.

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imperfect-:

I got a dishwasher this week

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Tanthrix:

imperfect-: In any case, don't beat yourself up too much. It's only a TV. And if you sit far away, it really won't matter.

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imperfect-:

I bought my house 2.7 years ago

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imperfect-:

;)

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imperfect-:

Now I can wash dishes ;)

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imperfect-:

Tanthrix : This is my bedrook TV.

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Tanthrix:

http://www.carltonbale.com/wp-content/uploads . . . on_chart.png

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imperfect-:

Tanthrix : The oly place I really watch ;)

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Tanthrix:

Just sit 12 feet away ;)

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imperfect-:

s/rook/room/

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Tanthrix:

Same for me, my gf and I have the Aquos in the bedroom as well

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imperfect-:

The other issue being I want uPNP media sharing

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imperfect-:

so I can watch stuff I record on my vista box

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imperfect-:

which magically finds stuff for me ;)

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jedix:

Speedy2: what's your processor?

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jedix:

what do I need for hd?

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Tanthrix:

What you have should be working.

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Tanthrix:

But, I'd recommend any Core 2 Duo.

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Tanthrix:

What's more tricky is finding a good mobo that is well supported in linux

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jedix:

well, as kormoc was pointing out, my processor is pegged

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Tanthrix:

I could give you my full setup that I purchased recently if you wish. I'm doing HD mpeg2, as well as 720p x264 with no troubles

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Tanthrix:

jedix: I thought you said it was 50

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jedix:

I thought it was

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jedix:

Cpu0 : 51.0%us, 47.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.5%hi, 0.9%si, 0.0%st

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Tanthrix:

That's 50 as far as I know..

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jedix:

well id is idel

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jedix:

us is user, sys is sys

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jedix:

I wass reading it wrong.

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, id is idle, it's not always the first shown col

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Tanthrix:

Ahh, gotcha.

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jedix:

stupid mistake

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jedix:

:/

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Tanthrix:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130082 and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115014 is my setup

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weltschmerz:

how do i get mythtv to use artsd?

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kormoc:

you don't

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Tanthrix:

jedix: Some quirks and issues, but mostly resolved. And it does HD stuff beautifully.

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jedix:

Tanthrix: I'd like to get away with just a new processor

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Tanthrix:

I still think you're having problems unrelated to your processor.

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Tanthrix:

It may be maxing out, but it shouldn't be.

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Tanthrix:

For instance, have you tried playing the HD video via mplayer? Likely it will work, fine

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Tanthrix:

I mean, my 2600+ was a few cycles away from doing HD stuff fine in myth, and it worked without problem in mplayer. Even 1080P mpeg2.

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Tanthrix:

So if my 2600+ can almost manage it in myth, your 3500+ should definately be able to.

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Tanthrix:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC – that has a hardware listing, and there are people with less doing HD just fine

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Tanthrix:

You have some kind of weird hardware / driver issue that myth is being cranky about most likely, so a new CPU might not fix the problem

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jedix:

with xvmc, I can do it.

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jedix:

~35% idle

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jedix:

but the osd chops

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Tanthrix:

And I'm saying that my 2600+ could almost do it WITHOUT XvMC

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Tanthrix:

And if you look at that page, you'll see wildly varying results. The bottom line? A lot more than CPU speed relates to playback in myth. It can be *very* cranky sometimes, and I'd hate for you to buy a new CPU just to see it not fix it

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Tanthrix:

It's your money though, so ultimately it's your decision. Just be warned.

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ShockValue:

my 2.8ghz single proc p4 can do it.. if i hold my mouth just right, and nobody even thinks about causing network or cpu load

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jedix:

yeah

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ShockValue:

i have a duo e6300 ive been meaning to try.. but it has a g3000 built in graphics and no-way to expand it

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jedix:

there's a guy with a 3500 not anywhere near clocking out

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ShockValue:

not sure if that would work or not

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Tanthrix:

This is why it's so important to find a good motherboard that doesn't have a lot of weird problems with it

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Tanthrix:

Since invariably if everything isn't perfectly right myth will explode, even when mplayer/xine/whatever works just fine for playback of the same file.

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Tanthrix:

When I got my new motherboard myth locked up everytime I tried to play a file. Took days of work, but I finally had to disable the high precision event timer AND pass a acpi_override thing to the kernal (both, 1 or the other would not fix it) to make myth finally work

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Tanthrix:

Even though everything else was without problems

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mattwj2005:

anyone check out that star trek link?

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jedix:

oh that's sd

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Tanthrix:

mattwj2005: Yes, I enjoyed it ;)

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t0ny-p40:

Ok I'm installing mythweb but my /etc/apache2 does not have conf.d/ where do I put the mythweb.conf.apache?

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mattwj2005:

I like the part about reversing the priorities in the bathroom :P

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mattwj2005:

*polaries

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mattwj2005:

by the way free legal tv from aol @ www.in2tv.com

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mattwj2005:

sorry if that sounded like an ad :)

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kormoc:

mattwj2005, it might be free, but it's not legal (in the US). Linking to it breaks our room rules, see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IRC#Linking

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mattwj2005:

are you serious?

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mattwj2005:

it has commericals and everything in it

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kormoc:

actually, it's different then the one I was thinking it was

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mattwj2005:

plus it is from aol....and it is like you tube...aol created a site just for these tv shows

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mattwj2005:

kormoc if it is illegal....I am sorry....I truely thought it was legal

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mattwj2005:

I know the rules and I am sorry...if that is the case

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kormoc:

it's different then the one I am thinking of, so it might be legal

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** kormoc retracts his statement **

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mattwj2005:

okay....I know nbc.com does heroes on their website

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mattwj2005:

okay cool :)

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imperfect-:

Are you guys pretty confident there will be a solution to the zap2it issue?

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my2keh:

imperfect- yes... cd /lib/modules/2.6.18-chw-13/kernel/drivers/usb/input/

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kormoc:

imperfect-, like the one in the topic?

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my2keh:

errr

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my2keh:

http://www.schedulesdirect.org/

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mattwj2005:

so is mythtv creating schedulesdirect?

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kormoc:

mattwj2005, read the site

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mattwj2005:

okay so I guess you guys can't tell us :)

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kormoc:

mattwj2005, what part of "This organization was formed by members of various software projects" don't you understand?

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mattwj2005:

okay

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mattwj2005:

nm

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hads:

Seems to make sense

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weltschmerz:

how do i tell mythtv to use dmix?

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weltschmerz:

i have everything else using dmix just fine, as it is the default alsa device.

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ZicUser:

hi

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kormoc:

weltschmerz, setup the frontend to use asla and it should work with dmix fine

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NightMonkey:

Howdy. I just finished reading Trac ticket #3394. Can the SVN mythweb be used successfully against 0.20-fixes?

[03:01:20]

hads:

No

[03:01:27]

kormoc:

the one in -fixes can be used with -fixes

[03:02:08]

NightMonkey:

hads, kormoc: Dang. The Flash player looks very keen. ;)

[03:02:14]

NightMonkey:

Thanks.

[03:04:05]

weltschmerz:

kormoc what should the output device be?

[03:04:09]

weltschmerz:

it is currently set to ALSA:default

[03:04:15]

weltschmerz:

i've also tried ALSA:dmix-digital

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jedix:

hrm

[03:04:26]

weltschmerz:

aplay -Dplug:default or -Dplug:dmix-digital both work fine.

[03:04:31]

jedix:

I'm pretty sure acpi is in ubuntu by default

[03:04:35]

weltschmerz:

firefox, democracy player, etc. all work fine with dmix.

[03:07:30]

weltschmerz:

dear god does anyone know how to specify the audio device with mythtv?

[03:07:47]

pat_:

I"m using alsa

[03:07:56]

pat_:

but I'm doing a quick google first

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pat_:

before I offer any advice

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pat_:

well, I've looked at my setup, and it is "ALSA:default" with the mixer being "default" controlling "PCM"

[03:12:40]

pat_:

do the logs give you any information why it doesn't work?

[03:13:31]

pat_:

http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/94

[03:16:39]

stormy|:

how do I use phpmyadmin after installing it with yum?

[03:17:08]

imperfect-:

Is there a decent mythtv guide for feisty?

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Speedy2:

Hrm, some sort of weird issue where if I click on an entry in the Program Guide and hit escape, the front-end immediately dies.

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xris:

Speedy2: backtrace?

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xris:

sounds like a bug

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r33ddl3r:

halo

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marx2k:

Question: Is there a utility for NVidia cards that will expand/shrink the DVI-out for an HDTV screen? It's a feature available in the NVidia control Panel for XP – This has to do with an overscan issue

[04:02:28]

r33ddl3r:

anyone here using ProjectGrayhem? having problems getting the right fonts to work...

[04:02:38]

imperfect-:

Should I run .20 from ubuntu packages or trunk from svn

[04:02:43]

r33ddl3r:

... my DPI is at 100 x 100.. got Vera installed... still got that large font

[04:03:30]

jedix:

hrm

[04:03:42]

jedix:

I recomiled with tune=i686

[04:04:01]

jedix:

I now get a lot more usage in kernel and less in user

[04:04:06]

jedix:

but still maxes out

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jedix:

sigh

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xris:

jedix: proc-opt?

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jedix:

xris: yes

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jedix:

tune-i686 proc-opts

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jedix:

tune=i686 enable-proc-opts

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xris:

don't mix.. just ./configure --enable-proc-opts (or whaver it is)

[04:14:37]

jedix:

oh

[04:15:09]

jedix:

why?

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jedix:

is there a way to ensure my noapic line was used?

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xris:

no clue

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xris:

I know that the proc opt stuff tends to override just about everything

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imperfect-:

I"m building SVN

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imperfect-:

Any major bugs I should know about ?

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jedix:

[ 24.003732] Kernel command line: noapic root=UUID=6b4b1e3c-116f-4282–8b42-c865f1cee145 ro quiet splash

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jedix:

[ 24.003850] Found and enabled local APIC!

[04:16:50]

jedix:

wtf.

[04:16:59]

jedix:

like.. wtf.

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xris:

imperfect-: nope

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hads:

imperfect-: 2335 and 3690 are effecting me at the moment unfortunately.

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imperfect-:

It looks like it's building pretty clean

[04:18:22]

imperfect-:

I wonder if I can remove the mythtv packages I've installed in ubuntu and just make install when this is done

[04:18:25]

xris:

trunk is usually pretty stable

[04:18:32]

xris:

imperfect-: actually, you need to do that FIRST.

[04:18:45]

xris:

or things get linked wrong

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r33ddl3r:

apic? you mean acpi?

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imperfect-:

do which first?

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hads:

purge the packages

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imperfect-:

Ah

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imperfect-:

So I should remove mythtv-themes, mthtv

[04:20:10]

imperfect-:

I'm just wondering what all it will take with it

[04:20:14]

imperfect-:

i.e. mysql and all that jazz

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hads:

It may, just install them.

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imperfect-:

ah well

[04:21:03]

imperfect-:

The movie signs is on

[04:21:05]

imperfect-:

I love that movie ;)

[04:21:20]

xris:

imperfect-: you need to remove any mythtv-related packages

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xris:

mysql/etc is not mythtv, so that's fine

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imperfect-:

nod

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imperfect-:

It's got a dependency list a mile ong

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imperfect-:

er long

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imperfect-:

but the packages are svn of jan of this year

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marx2k:

I cant believe I cant find a fix for overscanning on DVI out

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imperfect-:

I want 7 months of development ;)

[04:22:34]

xris:

marx2k: generally, you can't do that.

[04:22:47]

xris:

I'm surprised that it works in windows, since it's a feature built into the TV.

[04:23:13]

xris:

usually, you just have to find the correct resolution setting so the TV stops overscanning (i.e. knows that it's connected to a computer and not a tv signal)

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jedix:

a fix for dvi out overscanning?

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jedix:

I used the myth menu

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jedix:

there's an option to change the size in mythtv that I used to fix my overscanning DVI->HDMI tv

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Speedy2:

xris: Backtrace, i.e. using GDB to debug it?

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xris:

Speedy2: yeah. more detailed instructions near the new-ticket info on trac (on the page)

[04:36:09]

Speedy2:

xris: 10–4. I think it might have something to do with my settings since it just started after today's mucking around with it.

[04:37:10]

xris:

could be

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xris:

crash still sounds like a bug to me

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xris:

worth looking into

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Speedy2:

xris: Ok. I'll spend some time tomorrow, I've already spent almost all of today mucking with Myth. Goddamn it's nice.

[04:39:12]

xris:

heh

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marx2k:

jedix: I was asking in a more general sense since I dont use MythTV :)

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marx2k:

I would like a standalone utility to do that but I guess its not happening :D

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xris:

marx2k: not exactly the right place to ask, then.

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imperfect-:

mythexp.h: No such file or directory

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xris:

if nvidia doesn't support it....

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imperfect-:

Any idea what I'm not installing correct if I get this error while building plugins

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marx2k:

*shrug* the people in NVidia said to ask here :)

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xris:

imperfect-: compile everything by hand?

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xris:

did you ever have packages installed?

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hads:

imperfect-: Installed mythtv?

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xris:

marx2k: dunno why they would have done that if you're not using mythtv... nvidia's not particularly responsive to linux users on the support line, either.

[04:44:58]

xris:

doubt they'd send you here.

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imperfect-:

hads: Yep.

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marx2k:

I meant #nvidia :)

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imperfect-:

hads: I just did a updatdb and confirmed that thet include file existed... i dont get it

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hads:

You're on ubuntu?

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imperfect-:

Yes.

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Speedy2:

xris: Do I have to manually mark channels that are commercial free "commfree" in mysql?

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imperfect-:

Feisty

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hads:

echo "/usr/local/lib" >> /etc/ld.so.conf.d/local.conf

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Speedy2:

xris: That is for MythWeb to search "commercial free" listings?

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imperfect-:

Well

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imperfect-:

I've getting a lot of these errors

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imperfect-:

cat: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf: No such file or directory

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hads:

Yeah, that line I posted above will fix that and your issue.

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imperfect-:

Ah

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hads:

You will need to be root so `sudo -s` before hand

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imperfect-:

I'm su'd

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hads:

OK

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imperfect-:

And the build has begun

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imperfect-:

Is there a theme repository anywhere?

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imperfect-:

go -j 4 go!

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imperfect-:

No change

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imperfect-:

STopped again w/ same error

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haz:

mythfrontend is segfaulting for me when i try and watch tv. using gentoo with media-tv/mythtv-0.21_pre13775, i'm getting the error "CreateXvShmImages(): shmget() failed", does anyone know what could be causing this?

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hads:

imperfect-: ldconfig

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imperfect-:

And this will somehow fix it not finding .h files?

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imperfect-:

man

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imperfect-:

wtf is going on

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imperfect-:

now even after I configure

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imperfect-:

it's saying there is no rule to make target!

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imperfect-:

wtf!

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imperfect-:

Would you look at this:

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imperfect-:

root@mythtv:/usr/src/myththemes# ./configure

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imperfect-:

Project ERROR: Please run ./configure

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imperfect-:

W T F

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robbins876:

try as su -

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hads:

Why?

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imperfect-:

this was working

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imperfect-:

I dunno wtf changed

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imperfect-:

I've never had this problem before.

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imperfect-:

Why is it not finding the headers?

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hads:

Did you do what I said?

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imperfect-:

Yes I did

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hads:

Have you run ldconfig?

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imperfect-:

Yes.

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imperfect-:

That's not gonna help me with a include path though

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haz:

mythfrontend is segfaulting for me when i try and watch tv. using gentoo with media-tv/mythtv-0.21_pre13775, i'm getting the error "CreateXvShmImages(): shmget() failed", does anyone know what could be causing this?

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haz:

arghh, can't find any info on what could be causing this

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Speedy2:

haz: Sounds like something with your xvideo is not setup correctly. Myth uses Xvideo to display video.

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Speedy2:

haz: What kind of video card?

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robbins876:

Bernard Hopkins beat winky wright in a 12th round unanimous decision! HOORAY!

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haz:

it's a via epia sp8000 so i think it's unichrome cn400

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robbins876:

The only boxer I like less than winky wright is floyd mayweather

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Speedy2:

haz: Does mplayer or xine work for you?

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haz:

Speedy2: no, i was thinking i'd give them a try and see if they worked, but will take a while to compile them

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haz:

Speedy2: is there anything different from a standard X install you need to do to setup Xvideo?

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Speedy2:

Haz: Each video card driver is different, I don't recall if I had to do anything special to enable xvideo.

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haz:

Speedy2: hmm yeh. i looked at use flags for the via xorg driver and there was no "xv" so i don't think there is anything

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Dagmar:

Well, if you don't compile in xv support then of course.

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haz:

Speedy2: thanks, i guess i'll look into xvideo and see if xine or mplayer are any more verbose

[05:52:05]

haz:

hmm xdpyinfo show Xvideo and Xvideo-motioncompensation

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ShockValue:

well i got my letter from the FCC today.. kinda scared me, i didnt know what it was :)

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Speedy2:

ShockValue: What did it say?

[05:52:52]

ShockValue:

it was just a generic response about "Thanks for contacting us, we got your complaint."

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haz:

xvinfo output looks normal

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Speedy2:

haz: Try mplayer or xine, that will be the acid test.

[05:53:31]

haz:

yeh i think so. oh well, guess i'll wait a few hours for them to compile

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Speedy2:

haz: Doesn't Gentoo have packages as well?

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haz:

Speedy2: yeh it has binaries for some things, but i've compiled mythtv from source so it will be a good test to see if it's something to do with my compiler flags or anything

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kash:

ShockValue: complaint?

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kash:

one of you schmucks reported me again? :(

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ShockValue:

nah, my local comcast is dicking me around with encrypting public channels

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robbins876:

Anyone familiar with TiVo at all?

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Dagmar:

That's that freaky for-pay DVR that has nothing to do with this channel, right?

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mrdigital:

im trying to install mythtv but im getting this

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mrdigital:

file /usr/lib/libavformat.so.51.12.1 from install of libavformat51–0.4.9–22.99 r8743.fc7 conflicts with file from package ffmpeg-libs-0.4.9–0.37.20070503.lvn7

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ShockValue:

what distro?

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mrdigital:

FC7

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ShockValue:

oh :( never used FC

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mrdigital:

im using ATRPMs' Yum Repo

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mrdigital:

how do i restart X?

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ShockValue:

ctrl-alt-backspace

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ShockValue:

(not delete)

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Tanthrix:

Looks like it worked.

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ShockValue:

heh, yeah

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** xris knows the answer to mrdigital's question... you can't run livna and atrpms together. **

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xris:

atrpms conflicts with everything

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Speedy2:

xris: Is there a way to manage a movie "hit list" through mythweb? I.e. list of movies I'd like to watch and I'd like Myth to try and find (other than setting up individual searches per movie)?

[07:40:29]

xris:

Speedy2: nope (not yet)

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Speedy2:

xris: Sounds like it's a planned feature?

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xris:

well, you could do an "sql" search schedule and use a regexp match for the movie names

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xris:

I plan to add saved searches

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Speedy2:

xris: Ok, how would I get it scheduled, doing the SQL search and regexp scheme? I know Tcl enough to do regexps.

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Speedy2:

xris: Saved searches — how does that differ from a recording search?

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xris:

mysql will search via regexp

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xris:

and you can do a custom query recording schedule

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xris:

dunno if I ever added that to mythweb or not, but it's in the frontend

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Speedy2:

xris: I do recall seeing that in the FE. How hard would it be to link it to MythWeb? Seems like one can 90% of tasks with mythweb

[07:43:53]

xris:

just takes time

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** Speedy2 hands xris some time. **

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Speedy2:

;)

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xris:

I don't like to do things halfway

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xris:

so things tend to wait until I have time to do them right

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planktonboy:

hi all

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Speedy2:

hrm, where is the FE movie hit list? searching, can't seem to find it.

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Simon2:

have anyone tried a Hauppauge nova dvb-t card

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xris:

no.. just the custom query recording schedule

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planktonboy:

a friend of mine just gave me an xbox 360, said it wasn't working but I could have it if I fixed it, so when I got home I connected it up and its working fine

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xris:

Simon2: yes

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xris:

Simon2: read linuxtv.org

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planktonboy:

hi xris :)

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xris:

planktonboy: nice

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planktonboy:

yeah...what a stroke of luck :)

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planktonboy:

gets the full 1080p on my tv too

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planktonboy:

anyways...off out to a Thai barbeque today so will have to go and get ready

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xris:

nice

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planktonboy:

will be back later on though, so have a good rest of weekend

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Speedy2:

xris: For the custom record, it looks like I would have to edit the SQL query to include the list I want by ORing them seperately?

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planktonboy:

xris, cheers mate :)

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planktonboy:

later all :)

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xris:

Speedy2: yeah

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Speedy2:

Nice to have such a powreful feature. Maybe a movie hit list will become a fully defined feature at some point.

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Simon2:

i'm off to the local computer fair this morning, can anyone suggest a DVB-T card to look our for that would work out of the box with the Knoppix install ?,

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Speedy2:

Simon2: www.linuxtv.org , look there.

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xris:

Simon2: already told you were to look

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Speedy2:

simon2: You'll find a pretty comprehensive list of known good hardware.

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Simon2:

cant find a hardware list there

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Speedy2:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

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xris:

Simon2: search the wiki

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Simon2:

ahh, on a link to someone else site from the link you gave me ta.

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Speedy2:

Ah, I see how the custom search works up. It shows up as a power search in the recordings window.

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xris:

yeah

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Simon2:

i was playing yesterday without a dvb card, just trying to stream from the net, which sort does work, my hardware is slightly above in spec from the minimum spec being 1.8ghz 256meg ram, 250gb hd, nvidia gforce 4200 vga card, however the swap file of 384 megs is more than half used the ram is nearlly all used and and so the swap file is in contact use, anyone else experianced the swap file in constant use?

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Speedy2:

I guess the trick would be to write a little script that takes a list of titles to look for and creates the power search automatically.

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xris:

Simon2: that's a really small amount of RAM for doing video stuff these days

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xris:

512M recommended minimum

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Speedy2:

pads titles with the % , etc.

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Simon2:

yeah i know, though the needed spec says less

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Simon2:

you reckon i'd see a real benifit for doubling the ram /

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Simon2:

?

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xris:

if your swap is filling up, that's a pretty clear "yes"

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hads:

Minimum specs are often a bit of a lie really.

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xris:

min specs for mythtv, or for dvb?

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hads:

Anything, not those specifically :)

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Simon2:

i wondered if perhaps this was a side affect of a new install until settled ?, we use video servers for broadcast at work and for the first 24 hours of being switched on they hammer their hard drivers setting up databases and sorting them selves out, after that they'll run for years without too many problems

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xris:

Simon2: what kind of video are you trying to play ?

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xris:

with mythtv, that is

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Simon2:

dvd was unsucessful, it sees the drive and even displayed the filename of the disc, but when trying to play a brief flash of an xwindows messages and it then returned to the menu, we did manage to get BBC news replays streaming, though the picture quality was a bit low but that could either have been the bandwidth available on the net (128k ADSL) or the source,

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xris:

using mythtv? didn't know mythtv did internet streams...

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Simon2:

i'm still a bit new to this, but the source was definitly the internet, started with an empty 250gb hd yesterday morning, it was using one of the players within the knopping install,

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xris:

then probably not mythtv

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hads:

I can't figure that sentance out.

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Simon2:

whats to figure out ?

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Dagmar:

The broken and hideously malformed *think* masquerading as a setence.

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Dagmar:

s/think/thing/;

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Dagmar:

s/setence/sentence/;

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Simon2:

read it back and makes sense, i think people are being picky on the explaination

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Dagmar:

If you can't be bother to form comprehensible questions, we can't be bothered to answer them.

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Dagmar:

s/bother/bothered/;

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Simon2:

english teacher are we ?

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xris:

but not a typing teacher. :)

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Ymsetjenesta:

I need a really good manual on Knoppix, or a suggestion on wich other distro I can use instead.

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hads:

heh

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xris:

Ymsetjenesta: #knoppix, maybe?

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Ymsetjenesta:

Xris: Sorry didn't know there was a channel like that. Thanx

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xris:

Ymsetjenesta: well, this is the mythtv channel. just seems odd to ask a question about something unrelated to mythtv

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Ymsetjenesta:

xris: Well knoppox is a MytchTV distro as far as I know :P

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xris:

not in the slightest

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xris:

you're probably thinking of knopmyth (which is based on knoppix)

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Ymsetjenesta:

Hmmm....if you will enlighten me I would be very thankful.

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xris:

sort of like there's ubuntu, and kubuntu, and edubuntu....

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xris:

there's knoppix, and then there's knopmyth.

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xris:

there's also fedora, and mythdora

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Ymsetjenesta:

OKi. What would you recomend to a total newbee to the whole Linux thing?

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xris:

one generic normal distro, and then another that someone has taken and made into something better for playing with mythtv

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xris:

knopmyth isn't bad. I've heard good things about mythdora, too.

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xris:

ubuntu is a really good "starter" distro for linux in general, but can be a bit tricky to get mythtv running on it properly

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hads:

I'd recommend making friends with a Linux person :)

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Ymsetjenesta:

Hads: I'm trying, I'm trying. When he first takes the time to come here I make him fresh cofee and waffels.

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hads:

Good plan :)

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Ymsetjenesta:

Xris: Cause I have one PC'here running Fedora 7 (this one), and a PC next to it I'm planning to run Myth TV.

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Ymsetjenesta:

Hads: Yeah good Linux-at-home-support don't grow on trees.

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xris:

could always install mythtv under fedora.. that's what I do.

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Ymsetjenesta:

Xris: Cause it's a standalone PC, it dosen't matter what distro it is. Just as long as it's easy to install.

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hads:

It's a fairly open question, you

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hads:

It's a fairly open question, you'll get loads of opinion based responses.

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xris:

Ymsetjenesta: your first time with mythtv is rarely easy (unfortunately)

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xris:

if you already have fedora running, then it might be a good idea to stick with something you're familiar with.

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Ymsetjenesta:

Xris: and the next thing you tell me is that santa isn't for real neighter??? :(

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Ymsetjenesta:

Oki done some checking here. The Myth TV is KnoppMyth at the time.

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Ymsetjenesta:

The reason I choosed that, was that I could just download a iso, burn it to a CD and boot from it.

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Ymsetjenesta:

Isn't KnoppMyth and Knoppix the same?

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xris:

no

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Dagmar:

Yeah they just like paying double the hosting fees

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xris:

knopmyth and knoppix are the same in the sense that x.org and xfree86 are.. or openoffice and star office.

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Ymsetjenesta:

Xris: Can you be so kind and explain the difference?

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xris:

knopmyth started out as knoppix, but both projects have gone different directions

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xris:

easy difference.. knoppix doesn't have mythtv

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xris:

knopmyth started out as: knoppix + mythtv

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Ymsetjenesta:

Ah....that explain why those definitions are mixed. I had some dificulties getting the system in this.

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Ymsetjenesta:

But what would you recommend to install then on my MythTV dedicated PC?

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xris:

the correct answer is: whatever you're most familiar/comfortable with.

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xris:

you're the only one who can make that decision.

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xris:

I use fedora. a good friend swears by gentoo. most of the other mythtv devs use ubuntu, but at least one uses slackware. several people I know use debian.

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Ymsetjenesta:

well a friend of mine installed Fedora on my desktop PC, and to be quite honest. Fedora's multimedia support dosen't impress me.

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xris:

multimedia support isn't fedora's problem. it's the gpl.

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xris:

getting the right files for multimedia (like mp3 playback) just takes knowing where to look

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xris:

there's a REALLY good guide for mythtv + fedora (search for wilsonet mythtvology) , but I hear there are some good ones for ubuntu, too.

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xris:

and knoppix is supposed to be pretty easy (I've never actually used it)

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xris:

anyway, it's approaching 2 AM here.. I'm headed to sleep.

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Ymsetjenesta:

Xris: Goodnight. Thanks for the help.

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pat_:

quick question, can I run a tunerless mythtv backend in a vmware image on my quad core windows desktop to help with transcoding of tv shows?

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pat_:

and can I just start it when I feel like it, and have the backend utilise it whilst it is there?

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SiD3WiNDR:

[22|10:41:25] <+xris> multimedia support isn't fedora's problem. it's the gpl.

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SiD3WiNDR:

the gpl doesn't prohibit playing mp3's ;)

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SiD3WiNDR:

it's actually mp3 NOT being GPL that is the problem ;)

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fdlinux:

hi

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fdlinux:

anyone here?

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Speedy2:

yo

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fdlinux:

hi there

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Speedy2:

What's going on?

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fdlinux:

do you know how come mythtv doesn't go fullscreen when running compiz-fusion

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kormoc:

fdlinux, easy, xv + compiz isn't always so happy together

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fdlinux:

is there a way to force it?

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kormoc:

not typically

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Dagmar:

Mainly you just shouldn't waste the resources trying to run compiz on your mythtv box

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fdlinux:

i agree , but it is easy for checking on torrentflux :)

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kormoc:

mythbrowser allows webbrowsing inside of myth

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fdlinux:

i know , but i find firefox better

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perlmonkey:

does anyone have any experience of TV-out feature of nvidia cards? I just bought an XFX fx 5200 card and when I use the TV out I'm getting very poor quality screen display on TV (fuzzy text with a red flicker).

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Dagmar:

Set the resolution to 1024x768

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perlmonkey:

Dagmar: is it normal to get flicker and fuzzy picture when you first boot up before the driver loads?

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Dagmar:

no

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perlmonkey:

:-/

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Dagmar:

Well, no to the flicker.

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Dagmar:

A TV is *always* going to look fuzzy compared to a CRT.

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perlmonkey:

that's what I'm getting, sometimes I get a red flashing effect, and the picture alternates between red tint and black and white

[11:23:00]

perlmonkey:

true

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Dagmar:

Make sure you have the cables plugged in well and that there's nothing wrong with them

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perlmonkey:

ok

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perlmonkey:

I will have to buy a new cable to rule that out I think

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perlmonkey:

phew

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perlmonkey:

I had my tv-out svideo to scart lead plugged into a 3 way scart splitter, I tried plugging it directly into tv instead and the picture is perfectly sharp now, but black and white!

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perlmonkey:

:-/

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Speedy2:

perlmonkey: People have apparently made VGA to SCART converters with good luck.

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Speedy2:

perlmonkey: Have you thought about using one of those?

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perlmonkey:

phew might be an idea to try that

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perlmonkey:

is scart problematic then with tv out cards?

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perlmonkey:

one other problem I am having is that on BBC1 terrestrial I get a lot of flicker at times, its like the channel drifts, could require some fine tuning?

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pat_:

black and white indicates trying to display an ntsc signal on a pal tv sometimes

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pat_:

so (i'm guessing from using scart) if you're in europe your telly is probably pal, and you should check your X config to see if it is set up for pal or ntsc

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perlmonkey:

ok thanks

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pat_:

I'm in australia, so I've got the following line, Option "TVStandard" "PAL-B"

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perlmonkey:

I will ssh to mythtv box and see what I got

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pat_:

for xorg that is

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perlmonkey:

phew I dont even have anything in my xorg.conf like that

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Speedy2:

http://www.idiots.org.uk/vga_rgb_scart/

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perlmonkey:

thanks Speedy2

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pat_:

maybe it defaults to ntsc? iunno

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perlmonkey:

yeah that could be the case

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Speedy2:

http://www.nexusuk.org/projects/vga2scart/

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perlmonkey:

:)

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pat_:

but I'm sure you'll figure it out

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perlmonkey:

pat: where should that option go?

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Speedy2:

wow

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Speedy2:

Cool

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Speedy2:

http://www.nexusuk.org/projects/mythtv/mythbayes/

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Speedy2:

That's very myth related

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perlmonkey:

phew

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pat_:

under the device section for the card

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pat_:

see http://panic.id.au/xorg.conf

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perlmonkey:

pat_ thanks

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SiD3WiNDR:

perlmonkey: black&white may also indicate your tv using composite and your tv sending svhs

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perlmonkey:

oh

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SiD3WiNDR:

most likely even

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SiD3WiNDR:

rather than ntsc vs pal

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perlmonkey:

I dont see any option on the tv setup menus to switch from composite

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perlmonkey:

I'm using the AV channel

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Speedy2:

If you have the magic of scart...drive it from VGA>

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perlmonkey:

ok

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haz:

i'm getting constant segfaults when watching tv, anyone suggest how to track down what the problem might be? mythfrontend isn't outputting anything useful

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laga:

haz: see section 22.2 (IIRC) of the mythtv documentation

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haz:

laga: yeh i guess i'll have to follow those instructions. i'm having some bad luck with myth so far, first of all i couldn't even get tv output going due to a segfault caused by not having system V IPC in my kernel :(

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Dagmar:

I suggest you fall back and punt with a cloned config shipped by your distro

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Dagmar:

If you managed to leave IPC out of your kernel, then ther'es probably other things you got wrong as well

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kash:

Dagmar: gosh, some people. :P

[12:47:53]

Dagmar:

I'm serious

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kash:

i know

[12:48:02]

kash:

he doesn't seem too bright

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kash:

he's one candle short of a candle

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fryfrog:

hahha

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kash:

i need help with something non-trivial though

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kash:

i've got two lamegrabbers set up with different sound cards

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fryfrog:

there are very few females in here :(

[12:49:50]

kash:

both sound cards grab the audio when i use arecord on them, but only one works in myth

[12:50:16]

kash:

i've got hw:2,0 and hw:0,1 that record audio

[12:50:27]

kash:

and i think 2,0 is /dev/dsp2 and 0,1 is /dev/dsp

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kash:

/dev/dsp1 would be btaudio but since it's a cheap-ass card, there's no DMA audio

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perlmonkey:

woah i managed to get colour

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kash:

yep ever since slavery was banished they've all come out of the woodwork

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Dagmar:

*snicker*

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kash:

i like watching TV with my joystick.

[13:00:32]

kash:

and my joypad as well

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kash:

:)

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fryfrog:

i take my joystick with me everywhere i go :)

[13:01:42]

kash:

unless i jerk mine every so often, planes crash

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kash:

assuming i'm running a flight sim

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fryfrog:

ahha

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SiD3WiNDR:

perlmonkey: on my tv I have for the one scart input 2 "inputs" on the tv itself, if I press once I get composite if I push again I get svhs

[13:10:02]

SiD3WiNDR:

perlmonkey: if you have nvidia card you can specificy in xorg.conf to use composite output, probably other cards like ati can do that as well

[13:11:22]

kash:

i like the old saying

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kash:

"If you don't like the weather in Seattle, wait five minutes"

[13:11:38]

kash:

"then kill yourself"

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Dagmar:

heh

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Ymsetjenesta:

Anyone have a clue to where I can download MythDora in Http. All the torrents I find wont start

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kash:

Dagmar: any idea on my audio problem?

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laga:

Ymsetjenesta: http://g-ding.tv/?q=MythDora ?

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Dagmar:

If you're not working on your problem, why should *I* be?

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kash:

i am :/

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kash:

i have been for three days

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Ymsetjenesta:

laga: Thanx :)

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Ymsetjenesta:

Nothing is working right today. I just need to get this confirmed. This MythDora is everything I need on one DVD. I don't need to instal a distro onto the computer first?

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kash:

right

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Ymsetjenesta:

Not ever the MySQL database?

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Dagmar:

lame

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laga:

Ymsetjenesta: you need to install mythdora. :)

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mycroes:

hey guys

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mycroes:

I'm having an audio problem, I guess it's a common one...

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mycroes:

my audio sounds really odd

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mycroes:

like it's played at twice the speed it should be

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mycroes:

if I use arecord it'll work fine though

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kash:

how are you getting the audio?

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kash:

i.e. btaudio

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mycroes:

I'm using saa7134 with saa7134 alsa

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mycroes:

*saa7134_alsa

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Dagmar:

There's also...

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perlmonkey:

Dagmar: the way I got colour on my TV output to Scart was by connecting pins 15 and 20 in the scart socket

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thanosz:

Hi all. When setting a frontend only, are NFS mounts required for videos ore recordings stored on the backend? I thought the myth protocol handled all the streaming transparenlty

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Dagmar:

See, I think the easier thing would be to go find the people who designed scart, and start killing them off one a day until they come up with something that works reliably.

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thanosz:

any one using a frontend only client?

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perlmonkey:

Dagmar: I agree

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mycroes:

anyone got any clues about ym audio problem?

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mycroes:

*my

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laga:

d00gster: what's wrong with SCART? except for the fact that it's impossible to plug it in blindly while reaching behind the TV

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Ymsetjenesta:

I don't know if this is the right place to ask. But a AMD Athlon A1000AMT 3C is a 1000MHz CPU?

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ChosenOne:

howdy

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perlmonkey:

hi

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d00gster:

laga, what are you talking about

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laga:

d00gster: sorry, i meant to talk to Dagmar

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perlmonkey:

are you guys all running mythtv today?

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laga:

perlmonkey: sure

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perlmonkey:

cool

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perlmonkey:

could we form a mythtv network and share media library's some day?

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AndyCap:

that sounds legal.

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ChosenOne:

i'm wondering whether there's a way to get mythtv's database contents (the programme guide) into xmltv-data

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ben_goodger:

AndyCap: could we set up a postal network of shared VHS tapes containing recorded programs?

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perlmonkey:

ben_goodger: that's a good idea, but if we used DVD we could send more and would cheaper

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laga:

um

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perlmonkey:

we could make a website community so your mythtv library is listed and people can exchange recordings?

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laga:

perlmonkey: just stop it.

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perlmonkey:

:-/

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laga:

please. no discussion. just shut up.

[13:55:04]

laga:

no.

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perlmonkey:

why

[13:55:07]

laga:

don't say anything.

[13:55:12]

laga:

just change the topic.

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laga:

just do it.

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laga:

and read the FAQ

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perlmonkey:

laga who crawled up your ass today

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ChosenOne:

-.-

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laga:

perlmonkey: users who keep talking about illegal stuff in here

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perlmonkey:

chill out dude we're just bouncing around ideas

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ben_goodger:

no, I'm pointing out that nobody in the UK would dare prosecute anyone for distributing VHSs

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laga:

perlmonkey: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IRC#Legally-Dubious_Content

[13:56:44]

** perlmonkey looks **

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ben_goodger:

and yet, without any actual change in the copyright law, it's suddenly a shootable offence to share exactly the same content over a network?

[13:57:29]

perlmonkey:

ok fair do's, apologies

[13:58:09]

perlmonkey:

ben_goodger: yeah that's a bummer

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AndyCap:

ben_goodger: it tends to happen on a much larger scale and with a far looser definition of "friends" when put on the internet.

[13:59:14]

ben_goodger:

well, yes, that counts as broadcast

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laga:

and sending shows to other mythtv users does not quality as "broadcast"?

[13:59:57]

ben_goodger:

but there is nothing stopping me from streaming videos encrypted to my father's machine down the street, except his ludicrous bandwidth allowance

[14:00:22]

perlmonkey:

could mythtv project ever get some legal agreement? like members agree to pay some £ to share content with each other?

[14:00:37]

laga:

ben_goodger: that's completely different than perlmonkey's idea of forming some kind of über-mythbackend with a large community.

[14:01:14]

ben_goodger:

laga: indeed, but I haven't been able to read the full context, I thought he was suggesting a one-to-one swap

[14:01:29]

AndyCap:

perlmonkey: good luck working that out with the large number of copyright stakeholders which are rather set in their ways.

[14:01:36]

laga:

"< perlmonkey> could we form a mythtv network and share media library's some day?"

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perlmonkey:

ben_goodger: ya one to one media exchanges, maybe not even online, just by post

[14:01:53]

perlmonkey:

for people who missed shows etc

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ChosenOne:

is there a way to export the epg data in mythtv to a xmltv-file?

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laga:

ben_goodger: that sounds like broadcasting. one to one swap is a different story. however, it depends on your country's laws

[14:02:13]

perlmonkey:

ok

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ben_goodger:

perlmonkey: I think the mythtv devs would gladly be stabbed repeatedly though the testicles before bowing to the various organisations

[14:02:24]

perlmonkey:

haha

[14:02:27]

laga:

ChosenOne: yes. write a script to do it. why would you want to?

[14:02:31]

AndyCap:

perlmonkey: I mean, you can't even get subscriber cards for satellite services abroad.

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perlmonkey:

:-/

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ChosenOne:

laga: i want to see it more comfortably in my gnome panel using OnTV :)

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ChosenOne:

laga: any better idea though?

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ben_goodger:

mythtv is in a very real way a method of standing up to the AAs, the FACT, and the new IP Awareness people

[14:03:45]

laga:

perlmonkey: sorry for being rude earlier, but i get increasingly sick of people coming in here and asking for stuff that's clearly in the FAQ – especially if it's legally dubious content. said article in the NY times characterized mythtv users as a bunch of bittorrent pirates, basically

[14:03:52]

laga:

ChosenOne: are you located in the US?

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ChosenOne:

nopes, germany

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AndyCap:

laga: got a link?

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laga:

ChosenOne: eg using zap2i?

[14:04:09]

perlmonkey:

laga: no worries, you were right to tell me to quit and I apologise for bring offensive

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laga:

AndyCap: it's linked in the FAQ ;)

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** laga hugs perlmonkey ;) **

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perlmonkey:

*remarks

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perlmonkey:

:)

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AndyCap:

laga: sorry. didn't catch that

[14:05:03]

perlmonkey:

we dont want to bring mythtv into disrepute and jeapordise the project for others eh

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ChosenOne:

laga: no, I'm from germany

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laga:

ChosenOne: ah, i guess you're using DVB-EIT then? or a XMLTV grabber?

[14:06:02]

perlmonkey:

AV shuts down on my tv when I don't use it for a while

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ChosenOne:

dvb-eit, yeah. found no working xmltvgrabber :<

[14:06:11]

AndyCap:

Heh, germany must be DVB paradise.

[14:06:27]

ChosenOne:

not really :P

[14:06:32]

AndyCap:

free to air DVB-S and T

[14:06:47]

laga:

ChosenOne: there'll be a working grabber soon.. but you'll have to pay for the data ;)

[14:06:53]

** perlmonkey is experiencing a great deal of flicking on BBC channels :-/ **

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ChosenOne:

yeah sure. that's what I want....NOT :)

[14:07:00]

perlmonkey:

*flickering

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ChosenOne:

i'm fine with dvb-eit ;)

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laga:

ChosenOne: there is a grabber that'll turn dvb-eit data into xmltv AFAIK, but i'm not aware of a script that'd get data from the database and write it out as XMLTV. you could do it yourself using XMLTV::Writer ;)

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laga:

ChosenOne: heh

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perlmonkey:

f'kin BBC, we pay license fees and all we get is repeats and flickering

[14:07:53]

ChosenOne:

laga: hm, a grabber to turn dvb-eit into xmltv would be just fine. any hints where to find it? :P

[14:08:06]

ben_goodger:

perlmonkey: don't forget the DRM

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perlmonkey:

ben_goodger: what's DRM?

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laga:

ChosenOne: google ;)

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** perlmonkey is clueless **

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AndyCap:

digital restrict^Wrights managment

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ChosenOne:

yay

[14:08:53]

ben_goodger:

it's the software created by various copyright abuse companies to stop you from copying music

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perlmonkey:

damn

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ben_goodger:

and video

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laga:

ChosenOne: tv_grab_dvb

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ChosenOne:

thx laga

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ChosenOne:

:D

[14:09:41]

perlmonkey:

is it true that most of the commercial PVR offerings with HDD and DVD-RW don't let you record from the HDD?

[14:11:36]

** perlmonkey cooks a plate of chips **

[14:11:48]

Dagmar:

No.

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Dagmar:

fred87: Well, actually you *could* install from DVD or CD and leave out pkgtools, but that would basically be "it" for the system without booting the install media agan

[14:13:35]

laga:

Dagmar: wrong channel

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kash:

lol slackware

[14:15:31]

** perlmonkey prints out all the mythtv documentation **

[14:15:36]

kash:

Dagmar: you lose :)

[14:15:43]

Dagmar:

Yeah, we just had a genius asking about whether or not he could use something other than pkgtools

[14:15:48]

perlmonkey:

laga do you want some chips and curry sauce

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perlmonkey:

:P

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Dagmar:

...as to the "you lose" comment, why?

[14:16:13]

kash:

Dagmar: fred87 /is/ a genius.

[14:16:18]

perlmonkey:

now we are buddies again I'm willing to share my chips ;-)

[14:16:23]

kash:

he's the maintainer for slamd64

[14:17:02]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but he was failing to properly illustrate that there is no hope for the newbs plans. heh

[14:17:07]

perlmonkey:

how many of you guys use your monitors for frontend instead of TV, is that common?

[14:17:14]

Dagmar:

The guy was just moments away from saying "but I can deselect pkgtools in the installer"

[14:17:45]

Ymsetjenesta:

Does anyone have a clue if the ASUS A7V133-VM works with MythTV, and if the included grapich card is a DVB card.

[14:18:01]

perlmonkey:

i mean, what is the preferred way to do frontend, tv or lcd monitor?

[14:18:17]

ben_goodger:

doesn't matter

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my2keh:

doesn't make a diff

[14:18:47]

ben_goodger:

a PAL TV is probably better, since it hides MPEG artifacts amazingly well

[14:18:49]

perlmonkey:

I need to figure out how to get audio now from my tv frontend setup, I guess I will need to hack with my scart cable more

[14:18:49]

my2keh:

but I use a TV

[14:19:18]

perlmonkey:

TV is just more practical too I guess

[14:19:24]

perlmonkey:

for family viewing and all

[14:19:24]

AndyCap:

Ymsetjenesta: the what now?

[14:19:33]

my2keh:

anyone use a hauppauge remote without using the PVR card itself

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perlmonkey:

I dont have a remote with my hauppage card, I'm considering getting a wireless compact keyboard to use instead

[14:20:13]

perlmonkey:

wireless keyboard should be ok for mythtv?

[14:20:18]

my2keh:

yes

[14:20:18]

AndyCap:

perlmonkey: it's nice to have a mythfrontend setup on your laptop as well

[14:20:49]

my2keh:

I bought a Harmony remote, but it needs to emulate an existing remote

[14:20:52]

AndyCap:

perlmonkey: or any other computer you'd like to watch tv on.. :-P you'll have to fight over the tuner cards if you don't have enough though

[14:21:30]

Ymsetjenesta:

AndyCap: The motherboard ASUS A7V133-VM, I can't find the specifications for the included graphic card

[14:21:33]

perlmonkey:

AndyCap: I got that done before I did TV even (over 11b wifi), but my video card in laptop sux a bit, and playback is jittery :-/ I tried setting up on another laptop which has a newer graphics card and it was really smooth

[14:21:39]

Dagmar:

Holy crap we've turned into #ubuntu... "<peeks> is 1 1/2 " equivalent to 1.5" ?"

[14:21:54]

AndyCap:

perlmonkey: works great with 11g for me at least. No HD yet so dunno about that

[14:22:25]

perlmonkey:

my lcd died in my laptop so I'm outta luck

[14:22:25]

AndyCap:

Ymsetjenesta: but you know what DVB is right?

[14:22:57]

perlmonkey:

we should make a database of hardware that works/doesnt work for mythtv user community?

[14:23:17]

Ymsetjenesta:

AndyCap: Don't have a flying clue. This is like dancing tango in a minefield, right??? 8P

[14:23:17]

perlmonkey:

I can say the Toshiba 8100 does not work as a frontend, but the 9100 works great

[14:23:38]

AndyCap:

Ymsetjenesta: not if you actually do a little reading

[14:24:11]

perlmonkey:

AndyCap: what's your laptop make/model you use a frontend?

[14:24:26]

AndyCap:

Ymsetjenesta: DVB is digital broadcast tv over -S(at) -C(able) -T(errestrial)

[14:24:38]

Ymsetjenesta:

AndyCap: I have read my eyes red and wet. Getting the details little by little. Haven't been exactly lucky to find a link that contains everything I need to know.

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my2keh:

haha well when you do find this magical link that has everything

[14:25:38]

my2keh:

let me know

[14:25:40]

perlmonkey:

does anyone use a laptop as a backend/frontend combo?

[14:25:47]

AndyCap:

perlmonkey: dell, d600 iirc.

[14:26:27]

Ymsetjenesta:

my2keh: I sure will. But I have found that the MythTV documentation is a little bit more systemativ and better then KnoppMyth

[14:26:31]

perlmonkey:

AndyCap: my master backend is a dell optiplex, I think these make great mythtv machines owing to the small form factor size

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perlmonkey:

I'm toying with the idea of trying to turn my Toshiba Tecra 9100 into a mythtv back/frontend combo, since the LCD is dead and it has TV out, may as well

[14:29:21]

kash:

what is hw:1,1 in /dev/dspX terms?

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AndyCap:

kash: dunno, how many dsp's do you have?

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kash:

/dev/dsp /dev/dsp1

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kash:

two sound cards

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AndyCap:

kash: I don't know if all alsa subdevices get dsp devices.

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Ymsetjenesta:

Do I need to have a grapich card with video out. Couse I just want to run the Myth TV on a computer with a regular CRT monitor.

[14:35:14]

perlmonkey:

just a regular graphics card will do

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Ymsetjenesta:

Perl: Thanks

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AndyCap:

kash: cat /proc/asound/oss/devices

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AndyCap:

kash: or sndstat file in same directory

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** perlmonkey goes shopping for a soldering iron **

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AndyCap:

kash: from devices you can look at the minor device number from ls -l /dev/dsp*

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AndyCap:

Ymsetjenesta: but a S3 Inc. ProSavage KM133 may not be the greatest card

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Ymsetjenesta:

AndyCap: Is that the card that is included on my motherboard?

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laga:

perlmonkey: naw, i'll have a bbq later

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AndyCap:

Ymsetjenesta: don't you have linux running on this box already?

[14:39:50]

Ymsetjenesta:

Nope......I tried Knoppmyth but I hang up all the time. So downloading Myth TV as we speak.

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kash:

AndyCap: i don't see the minor

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kash:

oh wait.

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kash:

yep, there we go

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kash:

ok, i see it, but no minor even relates from data in /proc/asound/oss/devices

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AndyCap:

maybe they're not alsa oss emulation devices then

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AndyCap:

because here both hw:0,0 and 1,0 show up as minor 3 and 19

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kash:

same here

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kash:

but i don't see three or nineteen in /proc/asound/oss/devices

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AndyCap:

well, works here 3: [0- 0]: digital audio 19: [1- 0]: digital audio

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foo8ar:

hi all

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foo8ar:

is there al list of supported dvb cards somewhere?

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kash:

wiki

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AndyCap:

foo8ar: linuxtv.org wiki perhaps, or mythtv.org

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foo8ar:

well it works perfectly with standard dvb drivers

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foo8ar:

i normally using it with vdr

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foo8ar:

but i wanted to try something else

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foo8ar:

i took the short path and installed mythdora 4

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foo8ar:

great distro but no /dev/dvb devices :(

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foo8ar:

maybe i need to modprobe something manually?

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my2keh:

stupid remotes

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foo8ar:

more prblms i cant find a root password for the mythdora installation

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kash:

there probably is none

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foo8ar:

there is a password that give access to fedora config but no root :(

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kash:

use sudo passwd

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foo8ar:

well yess but no

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foo8ar:

it doesnt wor with or without pw

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kash:

ok

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kash:

use sudo su -

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kash:

:p

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foo8ar:

it doesnt even give me any error just bounce back to std prompt

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foo8ar:

i need root otherwise i cannot modprobe my dvb drivers......

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kash:

do `sudo whoami`

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foo8ar:

id doesnt respond to any sudo commands

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kash:

boot up in single user mode the

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kash:

then*

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foo8ar:

mm

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foo8ar:

good id

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kash:

if that won't work, then boot off a livecd, chroot into the install as root and use passwd :)

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Ymsetjenesta:

Now I'm trying to get rid of knoppmyth, but the computer refuses to boot anything else than Knoppmyth..........

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Dagmar:

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=9 will put a stop to that

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kash:

or even count=1

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jarle:

I have scanned all available channels, now I regret that and I only want the FTA channels for all but one input, is it possible to delete all non-FTA channels, or would it be easier just deleting all channels and do a new search only for free channels?

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willcooke:

jarle, quickest way is doing it through mythweb in my opinion

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jams:

depends on the number of channels he wants to delete

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jarle:

jams: this is DVB-S so it could be hundred of channels that needs to be deleted..

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jarle:

jams: I have about 3000 channels in total...

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jarle:

willcooke: haven't tried mythweb yet, I need to set it up, or should it already be running as standard?

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willcooke:

jarle, depends! If you're running knopmyth for example, or if you installed from packages or if you compiled the plugins yourself.

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jams:

jarle- if it were up to me I would delete all and rescan. But really it's up to you. I have no idea how how long it took for the first scan.

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willcooke:

Yeah, deleting hundreds of channels would be a pita in mythweb. It's ok for me, since I only delete a few.

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jarle:

jams: already started doing it, no probelem rescanning as it can just sit there doing it in the background..

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tom_:

Hi, I just build a new FE on a EPIA-M. I installed the latest Ubuntu and Myth. When I try to watch live tv or a recording I get a blank screen

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tom_:

and I get this in the terminal window:

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tom_:

X Error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) 11

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tom_:

Major opcode: 141

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tom_:

Minor opcode: 19

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tom_:

Resource id: 0x0

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tom_:

over and over

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tom_:

I also can't <esc> outof it. I have to kill it form the terminal.

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tom_:

Anyone have any ideas?

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kormoc:

tom_, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IRC#Why_ . . . e_channel.3F

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tom_:

sorry, I thought that 4 lines was not a big deal

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tom_:

kormoc, sorry

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candyban:

Hi guys

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candyban:

I have setup my box with mythtv (hauppage pvr-500) ... but I'm only able to watch a single channel. How can I change channels? ( I have setup lirc and see the buttons pressed in irw)

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candyban:

anyone an idea?

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tom_:

I think that it is just up arrow / down arrow on the KB

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tom_:

then you might have to press enter

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candyban:

tom_: that doesn't do anything either

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tom_:

did you run mythtv-setup on the BE?

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tom_:

and search for channels?

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candyban:

That changes the channel in the description, but it doesn't change the picture itself

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candyban:

tom_: Yes

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kormoc:

candyban, what's the pvr 500 hooked up to?

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tom_:

so once you change the discription what if you press enter?

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candyban:

kormoc: cable

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candyban:

tom_: it looks like it changes the channel, but the picture remains the same channel (like it didn't tell the tuner to switch)

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my2keh:

yooo

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tom_:

candyman, hmm sorry I don't know what to say

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my2keh:

you guys ever hook up a hauppauge remote?

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Dagmar:

I've never had one try to buy from me.

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** kormoc blinks at Dagmar **

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candyban:

tom_: just say I'm stupid ... I configured the external channel change as it was in the howto ... My remote is not working though in mythtv

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kormoc:

candyban, yeah, you don't want to use an external channel change script with your setup

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candyban:

tom_: it's my first mythtv installation ... so be gentle :)

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candyban:

How do I enable the remote? ( I have my .mythtv/lircrc file)

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cesman:

is lircd started?

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candyban:

cesman: yes

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candyban:

cesman: irw shows me all the buttons which I press

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cesman:

as long as LIRC is started, MythTV is compiled w LIRC support and you have lircd.conf and lircrc you should be good

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candyban:

I did uncheck the "hide mouse" option ... would that be a problem?

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cesman:

it should not be

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xzenon:

has anyone seen this problem with compiling truck (14023)

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xzenon:

../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so: undefined reference to `dvdnav_audio_get_format

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xzenon:

../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so: undefined reference to `dvdnav_audio_get_stream_count'

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Dagmar:

ccache hates you

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xzenon:

oh?

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Dagmar:

...or you've gotten a little overexcited with yer USE flags there

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SiD3WiNDR:

truck \o/

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xzenon:

I've tried installing libdvdnav dev headers/lib

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xzenon:

oddly enough I've compiled earlier release 13200 or lower in the past on this same machine with no problems, is libdvdnav a new requirement? Yeah, I meant trunk, keep typing truck...

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bill20r3:

anyone know when(what version) channel.tmoffset appeared?

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Dagmar:

Coughing up something like that generally means it's found some way to link stale objects, or linking against two different versions of the library

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laga:

xzenon: have you done a make distclean?

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Dagmar:

macavity: You don't see the phony Harry Potter spoiler?

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xzenon:

well I deleted the directory and did a svn co again

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xzenon:

so I assume libdvdnav is now a requirement of the current trunk?

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Anduin:

xzenon: No, we moved it into svn long ago

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xzenon:

so if I have libdvdnav installed will this cause a conflict of some kind?

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Anduin:

xzenon: It should not

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jedix:

is there a way to disable the channel bar stuff?

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jedix:

like, htat part of the OSD?

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xzenon:

ok, I'll keep trying things out, usually I can figure it out before asking a question (sware I've compiled myth a 100 times)....thanks for you help

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laga:

xzenon: try make distclean first.

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xzenon:

I just did that, now I am compiling again

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xzenon:

is the 'make distclean' different from deleting the directory and checking out a fresh svn?

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Anduin:

xzenon: Yes, the latter is much more drastic and should never be required

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xzenon:

I realize it's more drastic, what I mean is the result is the same right?

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Anduin:

xzenon: No, one way you waste bandwidth. But yes distclean should clean everything.

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xzenon:

thanks again for your help

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Anduin:

xzenon: If it still doesn't work after the distclean look at the libmythtv build, it should be linking statically to libmythdvdnav

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xzenon:

how do I do that?

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xzenon:

here is my configure, do this shed any light?

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Anduin:

xzenon: always log your builds, and just look at the link line, you can also objdump libmythtv

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xzenon:

./configure --enable-opengl-vsync --enable-dvb --dvb-path=/usr/include/ --enable-xvmc --enable-proc-opt --enable-libdts

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Anduin:

xzenon: Yeah, that won't be the problem

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xzenon:

ok

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jedix:

libdts?

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kash:

mythtv@mythtv ~ $ mythbackend

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kash:

mythbackend: error while loading shared libraries: libQtGui.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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kash:

wtf?

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kash:

why's it trying to use qt4

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laga:

who says it's trying to use qt 4?

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laga:

ok, that file indeed stems from a qt 4 package on my gutsy box.

[18:11:24]

laga:

did you accidentally port mythtv to qt4? ;)

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kormoc:

port implies working, and his isn't working :P

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weltschmerz:

okay, i got mythtv working with dmix, but when i watch something that employs the passthrough (dts, ac3) it creates a horrible sound if 2-channel audio is playing in some other device.

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xzenon:

looks like --enable-libdts is causing the problem

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xzenon:

as soon as I removed that switch on the configure it compiles with out that error

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xzenon:

I tried that before, but didn't run make dist clean, so I had "ruled that out"

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imperfect-:

Anyone around?

[18:45:27]

kormoc:

no

[18:45:31]

imperfect-:

;)

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jedix:

nope

[18:45:37]

imperfect-:

So I went out and got a 7300 card

[18:45:41]

imperfect-:

and the DVi->HDMI

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imperfect-:

and nwo the overscan makes it unusable

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imperfect-:

whereas with the straight PC connection on the back of my TV I was fine

[18:46:07]

jedix:

with mythtv?

[18:46:10]

** imperfect- shakes fist **

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kormoc:

and so you went and set the overscan and lived happily ever after?

[18:46:32]

imperfect-:

I jsut don't understand why a gay ass intel i810 got it right but this didn't ;)

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xris:

imperfect-: vga vs dvi?

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kormoc:

if you'd plug in the vga it'd be right as well

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jedix:

imperfect-: in mythtv?

[18:46:57]

kormoc:

welcome to the world of crappy tvs

[18:47:28]

imperfect-:

xris: Yeah the TV has a "pc" connection which is 15pin VGA.. I went out and got a DVI->HDMI thing and now it's all overscanned to hell

[18:47:35]

fnordpojk:

I've got a problem – the active EIT scan makes my CAM unstable. Where in the source (svn trunk) would I add a delay, since it seems it's the rapid mux changes and high EMM load that are the problem? libs/mythtv/eitscanner.cpp?

[18:47:41]

jedix:

imperfect-: in mythtv?

[18:48:01]

laga:

fnordpojk: janneg would know such a thing, maybe he's here

[18:48:06]

kormoc:

jedix, no, in texes hold'em

[18:48:22]

fnordpojk:

laga: let's hope so :)

[18:48:33]

imperfect-:

It's in gnome currently

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imperfect-:

whereas before I had a useable, albeit HUGE, desktop

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jedix:

kormoc: he was here last night saying overscan was a problem not in mythtv..

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jedix:

so I want to know if it's in mythtv.. because there's a way to fix it in mythtv..

[18:49:26]

jedix:

but it doesn't work for everything.

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kormoc:

jedix, it's a problem inside and outside of myth, and nvidia cards have a global overscan fixing way anyway

[18:49:51]

imperfect-:

I wasn't talking about overscan last night.

[18:50:15]

jedix:

ah, perhaps it was someone else

[18:50:21]

imperfect-:

Anyone here using Ubuntu as their base for MythTV?

[18:50:24]

jedix:

imperfect-: then in myth you can resize it to fix it

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jedix:

imperfect-: I am

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imperfect-:

well

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kormoc:

or again, I'll say, just use the global nvidia overscan fix...

[18:50:44]

imperfect-:

I'm trying to use the "new" glx drivers

[18:50:59]

imperfect-:

but there doesn't appear to be a kernel module package..

[18:51:00]

imperfect-:

is that right?

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fnordpojk:

imperfect-: nvidia-new-kernel-source

[18:51:55]

imperfect-:

Have to build it manually?

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fnordpojk:

yep.

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imperfect-:

k

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jedix:

I just grabbed the nvidia .run from the nvidia site and used that

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fnordpojk:

jedix: that might get you into trouble when you want to upgrade.. packages are generally safer.

[18:54:21]

jedix:

true

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imperfect-:

ubuntu has a nice myth setup out of the box

[18:54:33]

imperfect-:

but I'd like to run svn

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imperfect-:

I wonder if I can just install their packages

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imperfect-:

and ./configure --prefix=/usr

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imperfect-:

and kinda trick it ;)

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fnordpojk:

Nope, you can't.

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imperfect-:

I'm so lost.

[18:55:50]

imperfect-:

the nvidia-new-source is a nv driver

[18:55:56]

imperfect-:

is that preferable to the binary ones?

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jedix:

no

[18:56:36]

jedix:

I don't think it does higher resolutions

[18:56:45]

jedix:

use the non-free one

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jedix:

but then again I am having issues with my via chipset

[18:57:07]

kormoc:

it sure does support higher resolutions, it just doesn't have full hardware accelleration

[18:57:08]

jedix:

apparently it sucks

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fnordpojk:

I just installed Ubuntu, grabbed svn trunk and ./configure --prefix=/usr/local so it's separate from the rest of the system. Works fine.

[18:57:27]

imperfect-:

kormoc : So... I can't use nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings... what should I be using?

[18:58:03]

kormoc:

you should be using those, but given your distro won't let you, you're sol

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imperfect-:

I see.

[18:58:24]

imperfect-:

is nvidia settings the only way to fix the overscan issue?

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kormoc:

the nvidia driver, yes

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laga:

nvidia-new-source should be the binary one

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kormoc:

you could set it by hand in the xorg.conf, but it's nvidia driver specific

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imperfect-:

well

[18:59:20]

imperfect-:

I'm getting a nvidia logo when I start X

[18:59:26]

imperfect-:

I guess that's good news

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fnordpojk:

Since I'm outputting via composite I can't use overscan compensation in the NVidia driver, so I use the settings in MythTV.

[18:59:39]

fnordpojk:

Er, s/composite/component/

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imperfect-:

and I couldnt start until I loaded the other one after I built it from the headers

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laga:

jedix: FYI, the nvidia kernel modules should be in the restricted-modules packages.

[19:01:26]

imperfect-:

Does the nvidia-settings program allow me to deal with overscan

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imperfect-:

?

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kormoc:

yes it does

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kormoc:

if it can on that output

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kormoc:

else you'll need to use the in myth settings

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imperfect-:

DVI?

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kormoc:

whoops, DVI shouldn't ever be overscanned, so it won't work, sorry

[19:05:20]

imperfect-:

yeah

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imperfect-:

im screwed

[19:05:24]

imperfect-:

I jsut looked at the setting

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imperfect-:

I'm going DVI->HDMI

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imperfect-:

and the card is detecting my display 1280x768 instead of 1024x768

[19:06:02]

kormoc:

so just set the res

[19:06:09]

imperfect-:

I tried

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imperfect-:

it wasn't an option in the liste

[19:06:18]

imperfect-:

and there wasn't a way to do it manually

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kormoc:

sure there is

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kormoc:

edit your xorg.conf

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imperfect-:

DefaultDepth 24

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imperfect-:

SubSection "Display"

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imperfect-:

ubSection "Display"

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imperfect-:

[03:06pm][imperfect-(+

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imperfect-:

That's the problem

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imperfect-:

xorg already says 1024x768

[19:07:11]

** kormoc blinks **

[19:07:26]

kormoc:

just pastebin your entire xorg file

[19:08:43]

imperfect-:

http://pastebin.com/m15bbce44

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kormoc:

and now your xorg.log file?

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imperfect-:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Assigned Display Device: DFP-0

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imperfect-:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1024x768"; removing.

[19:10:59]

imperfect-:

Assigned Display Device: DFP-0

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kormoc:

pastebins are the perfered way...

[19:11:28]

imperfect-:

I know

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imperfect-:

I'm actually taking a shit.

[19:11:38]

imperfect-:

w/ a 17 inch laptop on my lap

[19:11:38]

imperfect-:

;)

[19:11:52]

kormoc:

whatever then

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imperfect-:

II) NVIDIA(0): Validated modes:

[19:12:06]

imperfect-:

(II) NVIDIA(0): "nvidia-auto-select"

[19:12:06]

imperfect-:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1280 x 720

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imperfect-:

(++) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (100, 100); computed from -dpi X commandline option

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imperfect-:

theres the log output

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kormoc:

imperfect-, don't flood the channel again...

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imperfect-:

three lines is hardly flood.

[19:12:54]

SiD3WiNDR:

but they weren't three

[19:12:58]

SiD3WiNDR:

and in total you're up to 20 already ;)

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kormoc:

imperfect-, channel rules, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IRC#Why_ . . . e_channel.3F

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imperfect-:

Can we not focus on the stupid stuff ;)

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SiD3WiNDR:

nice way of getting helped

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imperfect-:

I'm aware of pastebin. I know the rules. I'm just trying to solve a problem quickly

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kormoc:

imperfect-, why should we bother to help you if you won't bother following the rules?

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imperfect-:

sweet god

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imperfect-:

Someday

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imperfect-:

I'm gonna give you people jobs

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kormoc:

imperfect-, people who break them over and over again do get kickbanned

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imperfect-:

so you can experience real power instead of this crap

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xris:

imperfect-: um, it *is* sunday....

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imperfect-:

I swear... how much "flooding" have you put in the channel bitching about something so stupid?

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imperfect-:

It's irony is tasty. However.

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kormoc:

imperfect-, follow the rules or leave. 'Nuff said

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imperfect-:

Any ideas about how to constrain the virtual resolution?

[19:15:55]

imperfect-:

Tellya what.. you help me figure this out

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imperfect-:

and I'll try to help you find what's missing in your life that makes you harp over trivial bullshit

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imperfect-:

Fair trade, no?

[19:16:11]

imperfect-:

=)

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imperfect-:

i kid, i kid

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xris:

imperfect-: arguing about the rules (stupid though they may be sometimes) is also a good way to get kicked...

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fnordpojk:

imperfect-: I had that problem.

[19:17:30]

fnordpojk:

But I can't remember what I did about it.

[19:17:43]

fnordpojk:

Or well, my problem was that it was refusing to do 1280x720.

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imperfect-:

fnordpojk : I thought youw ere running component

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fnordpojk:

imperfect-: Yeah, but out of an NVidia card.

[19:18:03]

fnordpojk:

Same same.

[19:18:06]

imperfect-:

fnordpojk : nod nod..

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kormoc:

personally, I'm not gonna bother re-writing your org.conf for you if all I get is insulted and disrespected. RTFM and it'll tell you want you want to know

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imperfect-:

fnordpojk : I've had it coming out of nvidia via component

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fnordpojk:

imperfect-: And it worked for you then, but doesn't when you switched to DVI?

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imperfect-:

Aye

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laga:

we need to split this channel. into #mythtv-users and #mythtv-chat or something

[19:21:32]

imperfect-:

if I go into the 15Pin PC connector on the back of the TV I'm okay

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imperfect-:

if I switch to DVI->HDMI

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imperfect-:

It's overscanned to hell and back ;)

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Tanthrix:

laga: Meh. I think the best solution is to just not give a damn

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imperfect-:

which breaks my heart ;)

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fnordpojk:

imperfect-: Hm, doesn't bode well for my impending switch to DVI then :P

[19:23:28]

imperfect-:

hehe

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fnordpojk:

imperfect-: But as I said, I'm using component, it's overscanned, I'm compensating in the MythTV settings.

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imperfect-:

nod

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Kornbunto:

Ok here goes, sorry for the noob question, but, are there any guides for installing myth from scratch on ubuntu and using a dvb-s card?

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fnordpojk:

Kornbunto: The wiki has a decent install guide.

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SiD3WiNDR:

laga: don't forget #mythtv-bitchin

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Kornbunto:

I'm new to linux sooo :/ I can setup a mean Mytheatre machine though :P

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Tanthrix:

Usable DVI resolutions depend upon the TV to provide an EDID for those said, usable resolutions. If the TV does not provide the native resolution of the set as an option (such as 1366x768) an nvidia card will not properly work

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Tanthrix:

Rather, it will not automatically work

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laga:

SiD3WiNDR: #mythtv-featurereq

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Kornbunto:

Tanthrix, I use a dvi to hdmi adaptor for my TV

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imperfect-:

Tanthrix : So what are you options?

[19:25:19]

Tanthrix:

Then begins the modelines and tinkering

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xris:

Kornbunto: ubuntu guide, yes... dunno about dvb-s. not a lot of dvb-s users

[19:25:21]

laga:

SiD3WiNDR: join there and get a k-line for free

[19:25:26]

SiD3WiNDR:

woot

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xris:

Kornbunto: esp. since there are only about 3 legal dvb-s channels in the US.

[19:25:52]

Kornbunto:

More then that actually

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Kornbunto:

esp on 101

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Kornbunto:

I do have a motorized dish :)

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Tanthrix:

imperfect-: Your options are to begin scouring the nvidia linux mailing list for driver parameters to override the EDID

[19:27:03]

imperfect-:

Tanthrix: you think someone else has the modelines figured out?

[19:27:13]

Tanthrix:

imperfect-: Try google.com

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fnordpojk:

And here I was going to say how I'm European and have a lot of DVB experience and the guy just quits. Oh well.

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SiD3WiNDR:

=)

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Kernel:

hello all would i find help in here for setting up ivtv for my card? or am i looking in the wrong place?

[19:34:43]

jarle:

When scanning for only free channels, how does mythtv know which channels are free and which is not? Does it check each stream og does it compare it to a list of free channels?

[19:36:18]

fnordpojk:

jarle: The channel table contains a flag for encrypted.

[19:36:19]

xris:

jarle: encryption

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laga:

is it just me being moody or do we get a lot of meta-questions lately?

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mchou:

ShockValue: hey, you there?

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fnordpojk:

laga: New users.

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Anduin:

Kernel: You wouldn't be the first. At one point they did have their own channel.

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Brian2:

Hello. Does anyone know how to get TV listings yet?

[19:53:20]

kormoc:

zap2it?

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Brian2:

That doesn't work anymore, I don't think. Hasn't worked for about a week and a half.

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dr_willis:

bummer..

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kormoc:

they're having DB issues and will be fixed as soon as they can

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kormoc:

see the labs.zap2it forum and post there about your issues and they'll handle things

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dr_willis:

somthing like tv listings should be so trivial to get .... but noo.. they make it such a pain.

[19:54:36]

dr_willis:

*sigh*

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kormoc:

you could go buy a tv guide if you'd perfer not to deal with zap2it

[19:55:39]

dr_willis:

amazing how bad tv guide actually is. :)

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dr_willis:

i rember years ago the tv guys going on about this 'data stream over the signal' to your tvs where you would get news/weather/listings.. :)

[19:56:26]

dr_willis:

back when we only had 4 channels.. Egads i am old.

[19:56:27]

fnordpojk:

I get about 50% from the Swedish xmltv grabber and the rest via EIT.

[19:56:36]

fnordpojk:

But I surmise that doesn't work in the US.

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dr_willis:

Not that i know of.

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kormoc:

ATSC has EIT data

[19:57:27]

dr_willis:

but i rarely watch tv. :) which is scary.

[19:59:07]

fnordpojk:

Me neither. The fun is in the tinkering, I leave the actual TV watching to the girlfriend. ;)

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hume:

hi... I need channel info from two different grabbers, as I live near the border between Sweden and Denmark – is there a way do to this with myth?

[20:01:48]

fnordpojk:

hume: You need two different XMLTV grabbers?

[20:01:53]

fnordpojk:

For the same video source?

[20:02:12]

laga:

hume: tv_cat? mythfilldatabase --file?

[20:02:23]

laga:

tv_grab_combiner : New grabber to grab data from multiple grabbers at once

[20:02:24]

hume:

fnordpojk, right

[20:02:25]

laga:

^^ in xmltv 0.5.46

[20:02:32]

laga:

there are plenty options

[20:02:59]

Brian2:

Oh, I think I got it solved.

[20:03:53]

hume:

laga, i run kubuntu feisty, have xmltv 0.5.44....what can I do? (except downloading etc)

[20:04:00]

Brian2:

mythfilldatabase is working.

[20:04:04]

fnordpojk:

hume: I've been considering that also, for Comhem.

[20:04:18]

hume:

fnordpojk, it's comhem here too

[20:04:31]

Brian2:

Now, it says my subscription ends on 9/14/2007 – is there any way to extend that?

[20:04:56]

kormoc:

no, zap2it is shutting down 9/01/2007

[20:05:16]

Brian2:

Oooohkay... what do we do to get listings after that date?

[20:05:16]

Pyretic:

does anyone know a good dvb-c card with cim, most of the ones on linuxtv.org arn't really avaiable ?

[20:05:23]

kormoc:

Brian2, see topic

[20:05:48]

hume:

fnordpojk, analog or digital?

[20:05:53]

fnordpojk:

hume: Digital.

[20:06:06]

fnordpojk:

Pyretic: I'm using two Terratec Cinergy 1200 DVB-C.

[20:06:19]

Brian2:

Ah, well...

[20:06:26]

hume:

dvb-t? what card? I run analog, considering switching and I do have a digital Hauppauge too

[20:06:30]

hume:

ok

[20:06:43]

Brian2:

I suppose so long as MythTV works to record the video from Who Wants To Be A Superhero this thursday, we're golden.

[20:07:46]

laga:

hume: use tv_cat and mythfilldatabase --file

[20:08:28]

laga:

fnordpojk: the CI on those cinnergy cards is not officially supported. in fact, the CI of my cinergy 1200 dvb-c does not work correctly.

[20:08:30]

Pyretic:

fnordpojk: i'll have a look thx

[20:08:38]

Pyretic:

ow

[20:08:47]

fnordpojk:

laga: Really? The old ones or the MK3?

[20:09:00]

dr_willis:

Heck i normally just record Scifi or whatever 24 hrs at a time. then watch what i want, zipping past the junk. :)

[20:09:17]

dr_willis:

Hmm.. Is there a way to 'time compress' shows to let me watch them faster? :)

[20:09:28]

fnordpojk:

hume: I'm actually running both Comhem DVB-C and Boxer DVB-T. :)

[20:09:31]

laga:

Pyretic: i'm using a knc1 card with their cineview CI. there's also a technotrend c-1500 card that should work

[20:09:47]

hume:

fnordpojk, ok...:)

[20:10:04]

fnordpojk:

hume: But I'm guessing you want the Danish DVB-T channels?

[20:10:17]

hume:

fnordpojk, yep, but aren

[20:10:24]

hume:

arent they provided by comhem?

[20:10:24]

laga:

fnordpojk: that's what lspci says: http://www.pastebin.ca/629949

[20:10:31]

laga:

fnordpojk: i bought this card last year

[20:10:48]

Pyretic:

that technotrend 1500 looks nice

[20:11:02]

hume:

laga, could you say a bit more about how I can use tv_cat? I read the man page but do not fully get it

[20:11:14]

laga:

hume: i don't know how to use it.

[20:11:18]

imperfect-:

welp. I'm back to VGA. 15 bucks wasted on DVI-HDMI

[20:11:20]

hume:

ok....

[20:11:20]

fnordpojk:

laga: lspci -n, what's the device number?

[20:11:20]

imperfect-:

oh well.

[20:11:26]

imperfect-:

least I"ll have a working system sometime this year

[20:11:27]

imperfect-:

;)

[20:12:27]

fnordpojk:

laga: or well, -nv. mine are 1131:7146 with subsystem 153b:1176, which are the MK3 cards.

[20:12:30]

laga:

fnordpojk: 01:07.0 0480: 1131:7146 (rev 01)

[20:12:48]

laga:

Subsystem: 153b:1156

[20:13:01]

fnordpojk:

laga: yeah, that's the original model.

[20:13:09]

laga:

looks like mine is a MK3 as well. it didn't work with a cineview rev 1.0 or 1.1. the knc1 works fine, though

[20:14:49]

fnordpojk:

Mine works, but I've had problems when I've put too much load on the cam.

[20:15:17]

laga:

DVB-EIT seems to work ok on mine.

[20:15:29]

laga:

um

[20:15:35]

fnordpojk:

I've been considering decomissioning the cams and going to a cardreader solution instead (yes, I know, I won't discuss that here).

[20:15:48]

Pyretic:

hmm there's also a technotrend C-1500 for hdtv

[20:15:57]

laga:

fnordpojk: are all your channels encrypted? AFAIK, the EIT data is unencrypted here

[20:16:07]

fnordpojk:

Pyretic: There is no difference as long as it's DVB-C.

[20:16:23]

fnordpojk:

laga: Yep, they're all encrypted.

[20:16:33]

laga:

anyways, gotta run

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mycroes:

does anyone here know what to do if audio is chipmunk style?

[20:25:01]

mycroes:

I think I've asked it before, and someone just knew how to fix it

[20:25:10]

hume:

a stupid question: is sound supposed to be sent to a TV-set via S-video connection or not? I get no sound that way

[20:25:19]

fnordpojk:

hume: No.

[20:25:22]

mycroes:

now I'm searching the mailing list but it's hard to find an answer

[20:25:23]

fnordpojk:

S-Video is video only.

[20:25:30]

hume:

thx

[20:25:32]

mycroes:

the question is asked on the ml too though...

[20:26:25]

hume:

another newbie question: where do I set myth to automatically update channel info? Right now I have to manually run mythfilldatagase

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fnordpojk:

hume: There is a choice to automatically run mythfilldatabase.

[20:27:20]

hume:

fnordpojk, where? I cant find it....

[20:28:25]

fnordpojk:

hume: Setup – General – Mythfilldatabase in mythfrontend.

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hume:

frontend, not backend??

[20:29:55]

hume:

found it....thx

[20:29:55]

fnordpojk:

You use the frontend GUI to set the backend settings :)

[20:30:24]

hume:

fnordpojk, but what about a frontend on another machine, frontend only machine?

[20:30:47]

fnordpojk:

hume: It's always associated with a backend.

[20:30:56]

fnordpojk:

mythfilldatabase runs on the backend.

[20:31:19]

hume:

so the path is always on the backend? same for music plugin etc?

[20:32:03]

fnordpojk:

Path for what?

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hume:

path to mythfilldatabase, path to music collection

[20:33:00]

hume:

feels a bit strange to set a path that looks very local, like /usr/bin/mythfilldatabase, on a frontend only machine

[20:33:25]

fnordpojk:

hume: Plugins run on the frontend, so the music collection would be local.

[20:33:33]

hume:

ok

[20:33:51]

hume:

thx for all help...:)

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hume:

bye

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ocgltd:

Can someone help with a MythGallery problem? MythGallery is showing thumbnails for my JPG files, but nothing (not even empty icon) for my WMV files. MPLAYER has no problem playing my WMV files. So...how can I make myth see/offer the WMV files?

[21:05:33]

kormoc:

mythgallery is a photo gallery software, not a video player

[21:05:53]

clever_:

mythvideo is for the vid files

[21:05:58]

ocgltd:

The docs (and the setup of MythGallery) say it will show movies too....

[21:06:06]

ocgltd:

Since most cameras now take short videos too

[21:06:37]

** clever_ wonders if mythgaleru is capable of downloading images from cameras... **

[21:06:39]

ocgltd:

The MythGallery setup is set to use mplayer for videos...but the WMV files just won't show in the mythgallery thumbnails

[21:06:41]

clever_:

could be usefull

[21:06:54]

clever_:

plug the camera into the frontend and use your lirc remote to dl images and view them...

[21:07:27]

ocgltd:

I've pulled the images into my photoalbum (I used to use MEEDIO to browse stills and video in my photoalbum)...

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clever_:

atm the only way to dl images into my linux from the camera is either with a gnome tool i forget the name of

[21:07:45]

kormoc:

ocgltd, sure, ti can know how to play them, but it itself doesn't understand them and won't pull down thumbnails

[21:07:50]

clever_:

or to shove the CF card into a seperate reader

[21:07:54]

clever_:

and mount it

[21:08:22]

clever_:

ocgltd: try renaming them to .avi

[21:08:32]

clever_:

mplayer i beleive will allmost fully ignore the extension

[21:08:51]

clever_:

and it could be a bug in mythgalery treating avi and wmv diff(doesnt know of wmv?)

[21:08:59]

ocgltd:

ok, I'll try symlinking them

[21:16:12]

ocgltd:

Yep – that worked.

[21:16:52]

ocgltd:

Now, I'd hate to rename/symlink every wmv file to avi. Would this be considered a MythGallery bug?

[21:17:43]

clever_:

i could glance at the code and if its simple throw together a patch

[21:18:06]

clever_:

then if we opened the ticket they would just have to bugtest it and commit it to svn

[21:18:44]

ocgltd:

Cool :) I'm new to Myth (I switch from Meedio recently)...do you want to email me a patch to test?

[21:18:54]

clever_:

./constants.h: "*.avi *.AVI *.mpg *.MPG *.mpeg *.MPEG *.mov *.MOV");

[21:19:00]

clever_:

that seems very easy to fix:P

[21:19:19]

clever_:

what version are you using?

[21:21:05]

ocgltd:

Wow that's easy...I love open source. How does one get it into SVN (so that future trunk releases include the fix)

[21:21:05]

ocgltd:

I'm using 0.20 fixes.

[21:21:18]

clever_:

ahh

[21:21:24]

clever_:

did you compile it from source?

[21:21:31]

clever_:

im on the latest svn

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xris:

ocgltd: submitting a ticket with a patch is the best way to get stuff implemented...

[21:23:19]

clever_:

this bearly even needs a patch

[21:23:23]

clever_:

insert 2 words into a file:P

[21:23:28]

clever_:

and its patched

[21:23:38]

clever_:

ive allready got the ticket half filled out:P

[21:23:42]

ocgltd:

Yes – I compiled from source...just recompiling now.

[21:23:52]

clever_:

you found the file allready?:)

[21:24:22]

xris:

clever_: yeah, but a patch is easier to see what's going on

[21:24:52]

clever_:

ive included 2 lines of the file needing the fix

[21:24:59]

clever_:

one of which i just pasted above

[21:25:14]

clever_:

you can clearly see its a list of file extensions

[21:25:27]

xris:

clever_: yes. but then whoever applies the patch actually has to open the file in an editor, etc..

[21:25:30]

xris:

patch is easier

[21:25:41]

xris:

esp. for a simple patch where you don't need to look at the codefile involved.

[21:25:48]

clever_:

i'll edit mine and make a patch fromit

[21:26:18]

clever_:

"*.avi *.AVI *.mpg *.MPG *.mpeg *.MPEG *.mov *.MOV *.wmv *.WMV");

[21:26:29]

clever_:

that was too easy to fix(assuming that fixed it:P)

[21:27:29]

ocgltd:

Just recompiled...I'll let you know results in a minute

[21:27:34]

clever_:

:)

[21:31:14]

ocgltd:

Works great...even the thumbnail is good! Solved.

[21:31:48]

clever_:

lol nice:D

[21:32:12]

clever_:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3760

[21:33:18]

ocgltd:

I notice the movies all play at native resolution (320x200 or so) in my 1280x720 world. Is there an mplayer parameter to scale to full screen? I already start Mplayer with "-fs"....

[21:33:49]

xris:

why use mplayer and not Internal?

[21:34:16]

clever_:

if mplayer is using a cpu heavy vo

[21:34:21]

clever_:

it wont go full screen

[21:34:31]

clever_:

because that will massively increase cpu usage and make it play worse

[21:35:03]

clever_:

using -zoom will override that but it will use more cpu power to scale it up and may not play smoothly

[21:35:06]

xris:

clever_: depends. scaling's usually done in the video card

[21:35:08]

clever_:

better to find a -vo which fixes it

[21:35:23]

clever_:

yeah but if it cant use a video overlay it cant scale on the video card

[21:35:33]

clever_:

and its forced to do all the work on the main cpu

[21:36:07]

Hoxzer:

Ok... this isn't really problem but does somebody care to explain me why does mythtv scan find channels like "Samsung BCB-B263Z Bootload"

[21:36:39]

xris:

lol

[21:36:46]

xris:

Hoxzer: analog or digital?

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clever_:

ocgltd: with -fs -vo xv i get fullscreen video(and its actualy beyond fullscreen because of a overlay problem i have)

[21:38:15]

ocgltd:

I have lots of horsepower...but wouldn't want chopiness. (I have no idea what a Video Overlay is)... From the man page it looks like "-zoom" allows softwarescaling...but will that force it to zoom full screen?

[21:38:18]

Hoxzer:

xris: digital

[21:38:30]

fnordpojk:

Hoxzer: Because your provider sends firmware for those STBs on those channels.

[21:38:37]

clever_:

with -fs -vo x11 i get a much smaller image and the overlay bug is gone since its not using overlays

[21:38:38]

Hoxzer:

oh...

[21:38:53]

fnordpojk:

Hoxzer: Just set them as not visible.

[21:38:56]

clever_:

-vo help will list the ones mplayer has compiled support for

[21:39:15]

clever_:

-vo aa is fun:P

[21:40:19]

clever_:

crap

[21:40:25]

clever_:

killed my terminal emulator with aa:P

[21:40:29]

clever_:

␌┌␊┴␊⎼@┌▒⎻├⎺⎻:·$

[21:40:34]

jedix:

ascii?

[21:40:40]

clever_:

yeah ascii art

[21:40:45]

clever_:

for all video output of mplayer

[21:40:55]

jedix:

yep, it's sweet.

[21:40:56]

clever_:

it messed up the font of my xterm though

[21:41:07]

jedix:

type "reset"

[21:41:08]

clever_:

now all text is unreadable

[21:41:15]

clever_:

whoa:P

[21:41:26]

clever_:

last person just gave me a horibly complex echo to puch in

[21:41:28]

clever_:

which never worked:P

[21:41:45]

clever_:

thanks:D

[21:42:06]

clever_:

normaly i just exit the window and restart it but i had many jobs running in thatbash

[21:42:34]

clever_:

also screen seemed to know of it

[21:42:39]

clever_:

only affected that window within screen

[21:42:56]

jedix:

you could have ctrl-a ctrl-d..

[21:43:04]

jedix:

err

[21:43:07]

jedix:

ctrl-a d

[21:43:12]

jedix:

to detach.

[21:43:15]

clever_:

that would disconnect screen from the xterm

[21:43:24]

jedix:

yeah

[21:43:26]

clever_:

and screen knew of that 'damage' in the window

[21:43:33]

clever_:

when i switched to a 2nd window it went away

[21:43:38]

jedix:

hehe

[21:43:40]

clever_:

and came back when i went to the 'damaged' one

[21:43:46]

jedix:

I always use screens as disposable

[21:43:51]

jedix:

no windows within screen

[21:43:56]

jedix:

just constant new screens

[21:44:00]

jedix:

irc is in one..

[21:44:03]

jedix:

etc

[21:44:04]

ocgltd:

"-vo xv" works great...very smooth. Thanks...another problem solved.

[21:44:08]

clever_:

i have a button on my gnome bar and set to alt+f3

[21:44:15]

clever_:

which runs xterm set to screen -x

[21:44:23]

clever_:

so i can attach to screen and get an xterm in 1 click

[21:44:37]

clever_:

alt+f2 will ssh to another box in xterm and screen -x there

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jedix:

cool

[21:44:44]

jedix:

sweet

[21:45:04]

clever_:

screen thru ssh is a bit tricky

[21:45:10]

clever_:

ssh screen -x wont work

[21:45:20]

clever_:

ssh knows you are running a prog and doesnt bother alocating a tty

[21:45:23]

Sedorox:

hmm

[21:45:28]

clever_:

screen fails because theres no tty

[21:45:35]

Sedorox:

I just ssh normally, then screen

[21:45:37]

clever_:

ssh -t forces it to alocate a tty

[21:45:43]

clever_:

xterm -fg white -bg black -e screen -xRR

[21:45:59]

clever_:

xterm -fg white -bg black -e ssh -t otherhost screen -x

[21:46:08]

jedix:

yeah, I like white text on black background

[21:46:15]

clever_:

-xRR will share or create if missing

[21:46:23]

clever_:

-x will just share and fail if it doesnt exist

[21:46:39]

clever_:

dont want the screen to inherit the wrong DISPLAY if i start it remotely

[21:47:25]

clever_:

its saved my irssi session several times when X up and crashed on the laptop

[21:47:36]

clever_:

and with the ssh client on my pda i can even access irssi

[21:48:01]

clever_:

once i even recompiled installed and restarted mythtv

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clever_:

from the pda:P

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jedix:

clever_: do you know if you can copy the text from -vo aa?

[21:49:04]

clever_:

depends on if its outputing to the tty or its own window i think

[21:49:13]

jedix:

ah

[21:49:16]

clever_:

when i ran -vo aa it made its own window in X

[21:49:18]

jedix:

so how do you force tty?

[21:49:25]

ocgltd:

Does anyone know when the next MythTV release will be (trunk not SVN). I'm nervous about going to SVN since Myth can't be unstable (family would kill me)...

[21:49:25]

jedix:

yeah, which I can't copy

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clever_:

when i tryed to get it larger(clever@laptop:~$ mplayer \[DB\]_Naruto_177_\[FD0F75DE\].avi -nocache -fs -vo aa:width=200:height=300

[21:49:40]

clever_:

it output to my tty and blew it up

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jedix:

hehe

[21:50:00]

clever_:

if you clear DISPLAY it may think its in console and show to stdout/err

[21:50:27]

clever_:

ocgltd: im on svn trunk and its mostly stable for me

[21:50:41]

clever_:

only bug i have is where the backend locks up every week-month

[21:50:46]

clever_:

which makes it near imposible to debug

[21:50:55]

jedix:

hehee, that didn't work so well

[21:51:03]

clever_:

but it rarely happens

[21:51:07]

clever_:

jedix: what did it do?:P

[21:51:36]

jedix:

it printed the line it usually prints in the terminal

[21:52:07]

jedix:

needed -quiet

[21:52:12]

clever_:

-vo aa after 'unset DISPLAY' worked somewhat for me

[21:52:17]

clever_:

it was flashing alot though

[21:52:30]

clever_:

whoa yeah that helps it alot:P

[21:52:40]

clever_:

it must have been scrolling a bit each frame

[21:52:55]

clever_:

whoa i can allmost make out the images:O

[21:53:10]

jedix:

now, I need to get mythtv to play live tv in aa

[21:53:21]

clever_:

painfull part is

[21:53:32]

clever_:

the subtitles in the file arent readable with that large of a 'pixel'

[21:53:56]

clever_:

jedix: my mplayer can handle the nuv files mythtv makes

[21:54:12]

clever_:

you could just manualy mark a show to record then fire up mplayer on the file as it records

[21:54:28]

clever_:

butit will stop if it runs off the end of the file

[21:54:36]

clever_:

and seeking of nuv's doesnt work in mplayer

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jedix:

should never run off the end of the file..

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clever_:

making mythtv support it internaly will be a much bigger task:P

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jedix:

as both are in real time

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clever_:

using the speed controls in mplayer( {}[] and backspace) you can mess up the sync

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jedix:

now, where'd i put the matrix

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clever_:

ive read and understand the basics of the mythtv protocol

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clever_:

might be less work to add mythtv support to mplayer

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clever_:

then to add aa to mythtv

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clever_:

the 'module' would just need to export some of the file system basics(open/read/seek)

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jedix:

I'd never do this anyways

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clever_:

lol

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clever:

that still might not get seeking working right in mplayer though enless i add support to use the seek table in mysql or if -idx works

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clever:

oops DISPLAY still wasnt set:P

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clever:

mplayer defaulted to aa on me:P

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clever:

mplayer just kinda crashes if i try to seek this nuv

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clever:

and -idx would be painfull because it would dl the entire file and build an index on the fly

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clever:

over wireless:P

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clever:

damnit

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clever:

mirc is still connecting to freenode

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clever:

and its allready had ping timeouts everywhere else

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clever:

it started back when my nick changed(7mins ago:P)

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Speedy2:

Ondemand CPU govenor is nice.

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clever:

yeah when it works

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Speedy2:

Doesn't work for you?

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clever:

i first saw it on my laptop

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clever:

which locks up for 1.3seconds every time it changes freq

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clever:

causing keyboard keys to get lost if i was typing

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clever:

and the mouse to jump randomly if it was moving at the time

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Speedy2:

What CPU?

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clever:

often a ls would cause it to change freq

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clever:

and it would lock up the instant im done reading to go back to idle

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clever:

model name : Pentium III (Coppermine)

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clever:

700mhz/1ghz

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ocgltd:

Thanks for the help all...cheers.

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clever:

i tweaked the settings to it averages over 10 seconds

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clever:

making it take alot longer to change speed

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clever:

so it doesnt jump up and down so randomly andoften

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clever:

and i often just shut the deamon off when on 120

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clever:

had a friend who was wondering why his 2.2ghz cpu was confused as to why it said 1ghz in proc/cpuinfo :P

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clever:

and that was a desktop

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clever:

64bit too i beleive

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clever:

all my x86 systems are 32bit:(

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clever:

i have a few sparc's which i think are 64bit but i have yet to get linux going on them

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Speedy2:

Seems to be working fine for me on my Pentium-M

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Speedy2:

Most of the time CPU is at 800 MHz. Jumps to 1.6 GHz when needed.

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mycroes:

speed changes are flawlessly for me too...

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mycroes:

both on pentium m and athlon 64 x2

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clever:

time cpufreq-selector -f 700000

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clever:

real 0m1.222s

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clever:

time cpufreq-selector -f 1000000

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clever:

real 0m0.763s

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mycroes:

anyone here know how to get rid of the chipmunk audio?

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clever:

my best guess might be it redoing the bogimips loop to see how fast the cpu is now

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dr_willis:

mouse traps?

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mycroes:

I'm getting so annoyed

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clever:

it seems to lockup less when going to the faster speed

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mycroes:

clever, afaik it doesn't recount the bogomips

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dr_willis:

cpu changes speeds and the audio changes?

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mycroes:

no...

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mycroes:

my audio is always like chipmunks

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mycroes:

in myth

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clever:

my audio does sometimes loop when the cpu changes freq

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clever:

because of a buffer underun

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clever:

cpu was 'frozen' so the buffer didnt get topped off

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mycroes:

if I play with say tvtime and then use arecord and pipe output to aplay I get normal audio

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mycroes:

just a bit delayed

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mycroes:

but that's normal when using a pipe from arecord to aplay without changing anything about default buffer size and such

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mycroes:

the problem is just mythtv

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mycroes:

and I seem to have had this problem before, I'm not totally sure though

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mycroes:

one thing I am sure about is that if I've had it before, it wasn't in ubuntu, because this is the first time I'm trying mythtv in ubuntu

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mycroes:

already set rate to 32000 in mythtv-setup, but that doesn't seem to help...

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Speedy2:

mycroes: Try changing the HD buffer ringer to 4700 and disable video from timebase. That fixed the chipmunk, but I'm still getting jerky playback

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jedix:

Speedy2: I fixed mine too :)

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jedix:

but it still runs at 100% cpu

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Speedy2:

jedix: Do you have DMA enabled?

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jedix:

they are sata drives

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jedix:

and it's not io wait

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jedix:

it's user/system time

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mycroes:

Speedy2, thx, already found the issue though...

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mycroes:

Speedy2, seems that something went wrong encoding to mp3

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jedix:

other seem to think it's the via chipset

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mycroes:

Speedy2, because now I set it to encode uncompressed and sound is ok

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Speedy2:

mycroes: Encoding to MP3 == recording through your PVR card?

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jedix:

hrm

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jedix:

having problems with mythmusic and digital audio out

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jedix:

if I try and use the default.. it doesn't use the spdif

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