Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, July 19th, 2007, 00:05 UTC

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spo0ner:

hello world

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spo0ner:

is anyone familiar with setting up a xbox mediacenter frontend?

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jams:

wow your world consists of one irc channel

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Dagmar:

spooner: Try in #XBMC

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spo0ner:

cool...I was trying to find that channel...I tried xboxmc and xbox but not xbmc (doh!)

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spo0ner:

I have mythtv setup and it's sweet but I'm having a problem with xbmc as a frontend

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spo0ner:

thanks for the recommendation

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spo0ner:

hello world

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spo0ner:

I'm looking for help with troubleshooting my xbmc as a myth frontend

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jams:

spo0ner- wrong channel

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spo0ner:

I've tried following the README and online documentation but I can't figure out what's not working

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jams:

your still in #mythtv-users

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spo0ner:

damn

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spo0ner:

my bad

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jams:

heh

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spo0ner:

hat glidepoints

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spo0ner:

s/hat/hate

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spo0ner:

sorry

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jams:

no trouble

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Trentster:

Hey all, wonder if anyone can shed some light on this problem, I have built a PC adhering to the "Knoppmyth Dragon 2" specifications, all is well and working properly, only have two strange issues at the moment, every day or so, mythtv frontend will crash and exit, after restarting it will function again for 1–2 days before happening again. 2: sometimes when playing back a hidef recording while commflagging is going on, wi

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Trentster:

ll seriously mess up the audio sync, if i exit out and go back into the recording it resyncs for about 20 secs then goes out of sync again...

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jedix:

the second one sounds like the rates

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jedix:

441 vs 480 or watever

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Trentster:

jedix, the rates?

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jedix:

dunno about the second one

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jedix:

Khz on sound

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jedix:

the name escapes me now

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jedix:

sample rate

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jedix:

Trentster: what is your output?

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jedix:

spdif, iec, regular audio out?

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jedix:

also, I meant I don't know about hte first one

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Trentster:

jedix, using dvi out to hdmi input

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Trentster:

and audio using audio out on moherboard soundcard to audio in jack on lcd tv

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jedix:

Trentster: but analog sound?

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Trentster:

jedix, yes analog

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jedix:

Trentster: and you're watching high def tv, as in internal player, right?

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jedix:

what version do you have?

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jedix:

I only know .20

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Trentster:

I dont think my tv supports digital sound in, except via hdmi to hdmi, and as far as i know the signal from dvi to hdmi does not include sound data

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Trentster:

jedix, yes using internal player i think......

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jedix:

okay, if it's tv it's internal player

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jedix:

so all we need to find is how to change the sample rate for the internal player

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Trentster:

Latest -fixes (0.20.1)

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Trentster:

jedix, hmmmm, I am with you so far, all I dont understand is why does it work sometimes and not at other times if its a sample rate problem, surely it should either work or not work?

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jedix:

indeed

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jedix:

hrm

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jedix:

so hidef sometimes works an dsometimes not

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jedix:

or hd doesn't and sd does?

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jedix:

perhaps it's audio buffering?

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Trentster:

no hidef works and sometimes not, especially seems to be problematic when system is recording multiple hd streams and/or commflagging.

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Trentster:

this problem only happens during playback, as the content seems to be ok.

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Trentster:

jedix, I think you are right its something to do with audio buffering.

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Trentster:

but I have it allready set to strict audio syncing or something like that in the playback options.

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jedix:

what about agressive audio buffering?

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jedix:

you can also monitor the frontend log to see if it's being underrun or what errors you see

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jedix:

you should also check that log for the crashes you are speaking about as well

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Trentster:

jedix, yeah thats what i mean I allready have " agressive audio buffering" enabled

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jedix:

oh

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jedix:

then I don't know :/

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Trentster:

thanks anyways......

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jedix:

sorry bud

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jedix:

I'm new at this too

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jedix:

I keep getting a lot of these: RemoteEncoder::SendReceiveStringList(): No response.

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Speedy2:

In MythWeb, how do I clear out Recording Schedules? I'd like to delete everything and start-over.

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Speedy2:

I didn't find an obvious way.

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jedix:

dunno

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varun0:

is the inability to fast forward in mkv files a known issue?

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jedix:

I constantly get 2007-07–18 21:48:59.071 MythSocket(9679170:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket.

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jedix:

2007-07–18 21:48:59.071 MythSocket(9679170:-1): readStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket.

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jedix:

2007-07–18 21:48:59.071 RemoteEncoder::SendReceiveStringList(): No response.

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jedix:

I've googled my brain out

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keith4_:

can I move the picture in picture window?

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jedix:

yes, it's in the config somehwere

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keith4_:

can't do it while watching though?

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jedix:

no idea

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jedix:

I haven't gotten to playing wiht features

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jedix:

check the key config though

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jedix:

you probably can

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keith4_:

i don't see a way

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keith4_:

any idea where the pic-in-pic config is?

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jedix:

playback?

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jedix:

yeah

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jedix:

in mythtv-frontend

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jedix:

util/setup->setup

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jedix:

tv options-> playback

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keith4_:

k thanks

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jedix:

you don't happen to know about RemoteEncoder::SendReceiveStringList(): No response. ?

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keith4_:

whoa

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keith4_:

svn?

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jedix:

20-fixed

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keith4_:

what's your setup?

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jedix:

it's one box front/back with dvb-s card

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jedix:

two lnb's on one desicq

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jedix:

seems to be related to the front->back end talking to each other

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jedix:

MythSocket(9679170:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket.

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jedix:

etc

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keith4_:

try a separate frontend?

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jedix:

so I've been playing with the IP I use in myth-setup and general

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chuk:

can I add a new storage group while the backend is running?

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jedix:

no, I only have the one right now

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jedix:

chuk: dunno

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keith4_:

if it's front/back on same box, you use 127.0.0.1, no?

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jedix:

if you run setup while mythbackend is running, it bitches

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chuk:

yeah, but it mainly complains about tuners

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jedix:

keith4_: not if it's going to serve more than one front end

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chuk:

wife is watching something, I want to test my new nas

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jedix:

chuk: indeed, so I have no idea :)

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keith4_:

chuk: i don't think so

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keith4_:

jedix: but if you only have one right now.... baby steps?

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jedix:

keith4_: yeah, that is a good call

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keith4_:

i'm a fan of bottom-up design, too ;-)

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jedix:

hehe

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jedix:

keith4_: same deal :/

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keith4_:

when does it do that?

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jedix:

MythSocket(836e758:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected.

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jedix:

when I try to watch tv

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jedix:

it's intermitten

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tale:

has anyone ever seen mplayer speed up music when playing it back?

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keith4_:

only when mplayer can't access rtc

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keith4_:

jedix: those are the worst kind of problems

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tale:

I can tell it is slightly faster than the song normally is

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tale:

keith4_, rtc?

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keith4_:

real time clock

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keith4_:

/dev/rtc

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** Beirdo eyes MythLogBot **

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Beirdo:

OK, bot... I just need to implement the "Delete Channel", etc functionality in the ncurses console, then you get an upgrade

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d00gster:

guys does anyone know what diseqc commands myth sends if i tell it I have a 16 port diseqc switch?

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d00gster:

is it going to be E0 10 38 F0-FF ?

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tale:

keith4_, are there some keywords I should grep the logs for to see if there is an error accessing the rtc?

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Beirdo:

maybe you could read the mythtv code and see?

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jedix:

d00gster: if you run the backend with -v all it will say

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armbar:

I am running svn trunk and cannot talk to my mediamvp since my last update. 2007-07–18 21:26:36.448 MainServer::HandleVersion – Client speaks protocol version 8 but we speak 35!

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d00gster:

i have a 16 port switch and 61.5w is on the first port. when I make it a 16 port switch in mythtv-setup (diseqc) I get nothing. only if I make it a four port I get a lock

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armbar:

will it be broke long? any work arounds?

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d00gster:

jedix, -v will show me the diseqc commands?

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jedix:

d00gster: -v all will

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jedix:

2007-07–18 22:31:58.916 DiSEqCDevTree: Sending DiSEqC Command: e0 0 0

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tale:

keith4_, I don't see any errors in my logs when I searched for "clock"

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tale:

any other keywords I should check?

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tale:

is there an easy way to correct overburn using a software setting?

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d00gster:

at this point I'm stuck with my setup and can't run backend. mythtv-setup is where I am and when setting up diseqc I'm not having luck with the configs

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tale:

my widescreen tv is configured in X at 1280x720, but at that setting some of mythtv's text at the edges of the screen are cut off

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tale:

I'm not sure I want to modify the X setting for fear of screwing up my tv

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jedix:

well, use the screen settings to mov ethe gui

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tale:

if I could somehow configure myth to only use a window that I set to the visible area

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tale:

jedix, the settings on the tv?

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jedix:

util/setup->setup->appearence

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jedix:

tale: no mythtv

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tale:

k

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tale:

let me check that out

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jedix:

d00gster: dunno bud

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jedix:

d00gster: I can't get a 4 port to work right yet :/

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d00gster:

:-)

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keith4_:

tale: grep for rtc

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tale:

keith4_, ok

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tale:

keith4_, the only results are in /var/log/udev

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tale:

I don't see any obivious errors

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keith4_:

what about in mplayer output?

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jedix:

what sample rate is mplayer printing out for the clip?

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jedix:

hrm

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tale:

jedix, keith4_, thanks for the help. I've got to run. I'll check back in later when I have more time

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jedix:

keith4_: I found the solution for other people saying to change the ips to 127.0.0.1, but it doesn't work for me :/

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keith4_:

sucks

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jedix:

Captain_Murdoch: http://pastebin.ca/625690

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Captain_Murdoch:

thx

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jedix:

sorry it took so long I was trying to get a clean capture

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jedix:

something is causing the socket to go from connected to idle

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Captain_Murdoch:

where is the part of the backend log where it receives the QUERY_RECORDER SPAWN_LIVETV command?

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jedix:

sec, I'll find it

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Captain_Murdoch:

and are you running the backend with the 'record' debugging turned on? did this just start happening or has it ever worked?

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jedix:

http://pastebin.ca/625698

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jedix:

it has never worked

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jedix:

from time to time it works

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jedix:

intermitten

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jedix:

I am running the backend with -v all

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jedix:

I found a post on a french forum that said the user fixed it by selecting QT instead of opengl

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jedix:

which makes me wonder if it's a timing issue

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jedix:

but it fails with no debug or a lot of debug

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jedix:

also, the frontend was with -v socket,network

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snarkster:

good evening everyone.. is ther an easy way to create the asoundrc file? remotely?

[03:29:02]

jedix:

snarkster: do you have ssh installed?

[03:29:10]

snarkster:

yes I do

[03:29:24]

jedix:

shouldn't be too hard then

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** kormoc blinks **

[03:29:54]

snarkster:

just logged in.. is thee a script to run?

[03:30:09]

jedix:

not that I know of

[03:30:14]

snarkster:

oh..

[03:30:17]

jedix:

text edit the file

[03:31:06]

Speedy2:

jedix: I see a lot of those same socket errors on my myth setup.

[03:31:20]

Captain_Murdoch:

jedix: almost looks like it timed out a fraction of a second before the recorder was finished initializing. if you want to test something, you can bump up the timeout on the MythSocket.

[03:31:35]

jedix:

Speedy2: yeah? how often? I hit it a lot

[03:31:44]

jedix:

Captain_Murdoch: sure, I am quite willing to test.

[03:31:57]

Captain_Murdoch:

current SVN or -fixes or what?

[03:32:07]

jedix:

-fixes

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, let me look up the line number for you.

[03:32:25]

jedix:

well, the file would be fine :)

[03:32:47]

Captain_Murdoch:

same line in trunk and fixes anyway. libs/libmyth/mythsocket.cpp line 406. else if (quickTimeout && elapsed >= 7000)

[03:33:04]

Captain_Murdoch:

try changing the 7000 to 8000 or 9000.

[03:33:37]

jedix:

okay, I'll give it a go

[03:33:52]

jedix:

if I'm cutting this close, there's no way a network client will make it on this box :/

[03:34:14]

jedix:

thanks a lot Captain_Murdoch :)

[03:34:26]

** jedix kicks off a build **

[03:35:03]

Captain_Murdoch:

query was at 23:15:59.271 and timeout was 7 seconds later, but the recorder seemed to finish setting up within a second after that.

[03:37:19]

snarkster:

do the movies require alsa to be heard or does that use a different audio driver?

[03:38:17]

jedix:

snarkster: movies using mplayer?

[03:38:24]

snarkster:

nope xine

[03:38:27]

jedix:

oh

[03:38:28]

jedix:

umm

[03:38:34]

jedix:

probably the same deal

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snarkster:

mythdora 4.0 comes with xine configured

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jedix:

probably outputting to the wrong sound device

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snarkster:

i can hear my movies but cant hear my mp3.

[03:39:00]

jedix:

oh

[03:39:10]

jedix:

both using xine?

[03:39:15]

snarkster:

<shrug>

[03:39:18]

snarkster:

not sure.

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jedix:

perhaps in the logs?

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snarkster:

perhaps, ill check

[03:39:57]

jedix:

sounds like whatever is playing the mp3s isn't configured to the same device as xine

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kormoc:

fedora doesn't by default support mp3 (closed codec) and mythdora is fedora based

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jedix:

but wouldn't they not play at all?

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** kormoc shrugs **

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jedix:

hehe

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snarkster:

right i can see the wave form tho, didnt know if that came from the sound driver or from the data path

[03:41:31]

snarkster:

ok im in the log directory.. what do i look for to answer your question.

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jedix:

Captain_Murdoch: that worked

[03:43:24]

jedix:

Captain_Murdoch: thanks a lot man!

[03:43:27]

Captain_Murdoch:

jedix, are you on the -dev list?

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jedix:

Captain_Murdoch: no

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jedix:

Captain_Murdoch: I can join :)

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snarkster:

hmm i tried to install lame thinking that would give me mp3 support but think im barking up the wrong tree.

[03:45:03]

jedix:

snarkster: indeed you are

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jedix:

snarkster: give me a min

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snarkster:

yup sure

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jedix:

I'll put an mp3 on my box

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jedix:

snarkster: where do you play them?

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Captain_Murdoch:

can you do that and post a message giving your hardware info, what DVB card you're using, etc.. explain the problem and say that Chris Pinkham had you try bumping up the timeout on the socket. Hopefully Daniel or one of the other DVB guys will see it and can comment if there is anything that can be fixed in the DVB code to handle this or if we need to bump that timeout from 7 seconds to higher.

[03:46:11]

snarkster:

i do not understand your question.. on the tv of course.

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Captain_Murdoch:

jedix, mention that the recorder was taking just over 7 seconds to initialize and respond to the SPAWN_LIVETV command.

[03:47:12]

jedix:

Captain_Murdoch: okay, sounds good

[03:47:14]

jedix:

thanks again

[03:47:49]

jedix:

snarkster: I mean you go into utilities then what?

[03:47:59]

snarkster:

oh..

[03:48:19]

snarkster:

hmm how to show the mythfront end on my desktop first, then i can answer your question easily.

[03:48:52]

Captain_Murdoch:

hopefully one of those guys will know if anything about the DVB stuff can be optimized or if not we may have to bump up that timeout. give those pastebin links also so they can see how long it took to change LNB voltage, DiSEqC, etc..

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jedix:

Captain_Murdoch: sure

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** Captain_Murdoch goes downstairs to watch a movie. **

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snarkster:

aha!!! it says decoder mad failed to open

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snarkster:

and when i go to install it it says nothing to do

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jedix:

ah

[04:00:13]

jedix:

fc6?

[04:00:18]

snarkster:

yes

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snarkster:

libmad is installed

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jedix:

oh

[04:01:29]

jedix:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=114094

[04:02:24]

snarkster:

mythtv uses rythymbox?

[04:02:33]

jedix:

no

[04:02:37]

jedix:

bad link

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jedix:

sorry

[04:03:02]

jedix:

I think mad that you have isntalled does not support mp3

[04:03:16]

snarkster:

oh

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jedix:

search around to find out how to add mp3 support for fc6

[04:03:23]

snarkster:

so how do i get mp3 support?

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snarkster:

ah ok

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jedix:

kormoc++

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xris:

snarkster: add livna or atrpms yum repositories

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snarkster:

already done

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jedix:

you get it going?

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snarkster:

still installing libs

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jedix:

ah

[04:09:34]

snarkster:

libmad wasnt installed.. <who knew>

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snarkster:

brb going to try again

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snarkster:

do you think i need to restart the system now?

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kormoc:

no

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snarkster:

nope still no working.. error 5

[04:10:51]

snarkster:

mad decoder failed to open

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kormoc:

I know when I poked at FC7, there was a version mismatch between livna and base, had to do some symlink magic

[04:12:35]

snarkster:

what does mythmusic use as an engine

[04:12:52]

snarkster:

mplayer or xine?

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kormoc:

it's own internal player

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kormoc:

based off of ffmpeg

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snarkster:

well still nothing

[04:16:49]

snarkster:

now im into the configure settings and there really isnt much in the way of setting in the player area

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kormoc:

it uses the same device as the tv does for audio

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snarkster:

ok so thats why i can hear my movies, its just missing a decoder?

[04:17:52]

** kormoc shrugs **

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snarkster:

hahaha

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CaptLloyd:

Is there a way to make myth enable or disable screensaver and/or powersaving on the screen while I am playing a movie?

[04:18:53]

kormoc:

use the internal player?

[04:19:06]

CaptLloyd:

I'd like to be able to have my screens turn off automatically, but not while playing

[04:19:11]

CaptLloyd:

Yes, I am using the internal player

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kormoc:

it already disables/enables Xscreen savors and DPMS via X if it can

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CaptLloyd:

I'll have to figure out why mine doesn't, thanks

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kormoc:

least, it seems to for myself, check the output from the frontend

[04:21:37]

CaptLloyd:

Does it do it when it starts playing, or when the frontend loads?

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kormoc:

starts playing

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kormoc:

i seem to recall seeing output messages akin to "Disabling DPMS" and the like

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CaptLloyd:

2007-07–18 23:23:55.130 DPMS is disabled.

[04:24:59]

CaptLloyd:

Hmm

[04:25:20]

CaptLloyd:

It certainly was shutting off my screens last night, but we'll see

[04:25:42]

CaptLloyd:

Thanks for the help, at least I know it thinks it is turning it off

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kormoc:

g'luck

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snarkster:

this is totally madening

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CaptLloyd:

*sigh* yeah my monitor keeps turning off

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CaptLloyd:

snarkster: aren't computers fun?

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snarkster:

yup

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snarkster:

ls

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snarkster:

hmm how do i start mythweb remotely?

[04:32:31]

snarkster:

i mean can i see it on my desktop ?

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Speedy2:

snarkster: You have to run an httpd; I used lighttpd

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snarkster:

i run that where on the mythbox or my desktop?

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Speedy2:

The mythbox

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snarkster:

ok jttpd is on

[04:35:10]

snarkster:

httpd even

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snarkster:

yah that doesnt work either.

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CaptLloyd:

I've got another program re-enabling dpms I thinks

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jedix:

hrm

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CaptLloyd:

I'm not sure what though

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CaptLloyd:

xset shows me that DPMS is Disabled, but then the screen will power off and xset shows it is enabled again

[04:41:06]

snarkster:

do not i just open the address of my mythbox to use mythweb?

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snarkster:

screw it.. im going to bed.

[04:44:01]

snarkster:

thank you for your help

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blscearce:

Hi, just tried setting up MythDora, and after successful installation and reboot, my screen can't handle the X server frequency. And I can't ssh in to adjust X config files. Can someone point me at some docs on how to boot with an alternative resolution / refresh rate?

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MilkBoy:

blscearce: boot in single user mode? =)

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MarineTim:

haven't used mythdora, but can you switch to a console (ctrl-alt-f1)?

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tafkaz:

hi there, strange problem...mythwelcome tells me, that there are several planned recordings coliding....but there actually arent any i can see...

[06:26:43]

tafkaz:

everything under recordings is absolutely empty...

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tafkaz:

noone ?

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Anduin:

tafkaz: upcoming recordings?

[06:44:48]

tafkaz:

well, i didnt plan anything, and there is nothing shown in the planning

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tafkaz:

list

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Anduin:

tafkaz: mythbackend --printsched

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tafkaz:

can i run that while mythbackend is already running ?

[06:46:03]

Anduin:

Yes.

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tafkaz:

ok mom

[06:46:35]

tafkaz:

--- print list start ---

[06:46:35]

tafkaz:

Title – Subtitle Chan ChID Day Start End C I T N Pri

[06:46:35]

tafkaz:

--- print list end ---

[06:47:02]

Anduin:

Sure looks empty

[06:47:22]

tafkaz:

as i said :-)

[06:47:34]

tafkaz:

strange heh ?

[06:48:15]

tafkaz:

i wouldnt mind, but yesterday i could not watch tv because every card was said to be recording...

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tafkaz:

although it wasnt

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Anduin:

tafkaz: Looking at the code I don't see how it can happen

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tafkaz:

hm...thats odd

[06:54:23]

Anduin:

tafkaz: May want to look at the log/increase the logging level

[06:54:56]

tafkaz:

backend log or frontend ?

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Anduin:

mythwelcome

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tafkaz:

ok

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Anduin:

(I don't actually use it)

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tafkaz:

MEDIASTAT_NOTMOUNTED old status was MEDIASTAT

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tafkaz:

_UNPLUGGED

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tafkaz:

that is ok i presume ?

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Anduin:

Yeah, just the media monitor

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tafkaz:

X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169

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tafkaz:

Major opcode: 148

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tafkaz:

Minor opcode: 3

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tafkaz:

Resource id: 0x0

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tafkaz:

whatever that means

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Anduin:

Yeah, also ignore

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tafkaz:

ok

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tafkaz:

2007-07–19 07:45:35.842 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost

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tafkaz:

2007-07–19 07:45:35.926 XMLParse::LoadTheme using /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/welcome-ui.xml

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tafkaz:

2007-07–19 07:45:36.357 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.2.26:6543 (try 1 of 5)

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tafkaz:

2007-07–19 07:45:36.357 Connection timed out.

[06:59:33]

tafkaz:

You probably should modify the Master Server

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tafkaz:

settings in the setup program and set the

[06:59:36]

tafkaz:

proper IP address.

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tafkaz:

2007-07–19 07:45:47.133 mythshutdown --startup returned: 1

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Anduin:

tafkaz: That would be bad (also use some paste site for longer pastes)

[07:00:40]

tafkaz:

oh sorry

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Anduin:

Is that your backend server IP?

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tafkaz:

but it seems like it is connected

[07:00:59]

tafkaz:

yes it is

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tafkaz:

and it is the localhost too

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tafkaz:

Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost

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tafkaz:

^strange....

[07:02:51]

tafkaz:

Connecting to backend server: 192.168.2.26:6543

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tafkaz:

later, and then it says Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost

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tafkaz:

so mybe the backend was not up

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Anduin:

Yeah, the DB connection is just to grab the IP

[07:03:19]

Anduin:

backend not up would cause it

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tafkaz:

yet, i should prolly set the sleep time a bit hicgher

[07:04:13]

tafkaz:

but that can not be the problem with ghost recordings, can it ?

[07:04:58]

tafkaz:

maybe i just look and see what happens....

[07:10:30]

tafkaz:

another one....but this ones bash related i guess. i just hope that its an easy one for u..want to backup my db

[07:10:39]

tafkaz:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . _Maintenance

[07:11:03]

tafkaz:

problem is:

[07:11:04]

tafkaz:

4: Syntax error: "(" unexpected

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tafkaz:

DAY=($(/bin/date +%u))

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tafkaz:

thats the line

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tafkaz:

nothing to do with myth....i know

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tafkaz:

cant be to hard for someone who "knows"

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Anduin:

tafkaz: you put a space in there

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tafkaz:

where exactly ? :-)

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Anduin:

DAY= (

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tafkaz:

uhhh !

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tafkaz:

ok !

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tafkaz:

no..that didnt do the trick

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Anduin:

tafkaz: put exactly what you have on some paste site

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tafkaz:

http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=3569

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Anduin:

tafkaz: mine was an example of what not to do, it should just be DAY=($(/bin/date +%u))

[07:19:24]

tafkaz:

ok...lol, but thats what it was at the beginning...

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Anduin:

tafkaz: dash?

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Anduin:

tafkaz: change the #!/bin/sh to #!/bin/bash

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tafkaz:

nope same error

[07:21:12]

Anduin:

That doesn't make sense

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tafkaz:

right !

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Anduin:

You do have some real bash somewhere?

[07:21:48]

tafkaz:

moment !

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tafkaz:

it worked !

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tafkaz:

u were right with bash !

[07:22:27]

tafkaz:

i just had a spelling error

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tafkaz:

thank you very much

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tafkaz:

ok great....

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tafkaz:

now if u can give me a hint, why while trying to build up my musicdatabase, while my data lies on an nfs-share on another computer, i never come to an end, i would be perfectly happy !

[07:29:57]

tafkaz:

:-)

[07:30:16]

tafkaz:

02:31:04 multimedia-center kernel: [ 8050.200000] nfs: server 192.168.2.20 not responding, timed out

[07:30:40]

tafkaz:

besides it takes forever to build the database

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tafkaz:

should i use samba instead ?

[07:34:20]

tafkaz:

what do you use....nfs seems buggy, i tried with barely every flag

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tafkaz:

the connection though is a wlan wit a fritz USB Stick

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tafkaz:

using the new proprietary driver....maybe that ones buggy

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Anduin:

I don't use mythmusic

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tafkaz:

oh i see !

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tafkaz:

do u use music on your machine at all ?

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tafkaz:

anyways thanx a lot....this a great room !

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t0ny-p40:

Any one awake thats good with ir?

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[09:47:48]

KaZeR:

hey there.

[09:47:54]

KaZeR:

i have a little problem with my charsets.

[09:48:17]

KaZeR:

mmm hang on

[09:48:39]

juski:

I ha that problem once. chucked em out & bought some fridge magnets to use instead

[09:49:24]

KaZeR:

erm, didn't get it :)

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** juski hads KaZeR a pen **

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juski:

*hands

[09:49:43]

KaZeR:

ahah

[09:49:49]

hads:

Oi! :)

[09:50:04]

KaZeR:

well, writing my tvguide on the fridge won't help mythtv to record my TV :)

[09:50:19]

KaZeR:

plus it will be really boring. and a pig writes better than i do :)

[09:50:22]

juski:

if this is something to do with utf-8 don't bother asking me. I'll only say you should move to somewhere with proper characters

[09:50:37]

KaZeR:

in fact, here it is :

[09:50:52]

KaZeR:

if i import my datas using mythfilldatabase, my accents are broken

[09:51:06]

KaZeR:

if i do a manual query in mysql to fix them, they are fine

[09:51:19]

juski:

sounds like a broken grabber to me

[09:51:21]

KaZeR:

so i guess it's rather related to mythfilldatabase using an incorrect charset

[09:51:35]

KaZeR:

accents are fine in the xml file i try to import

[09:51:46]

KaZeR:

fine as in : i open it with vi, and it's fine

[09:52:59]

KaZeR:

my xml encoding was set to iso-8815–1

[09:53:12]

KaZeR:

i changed it to UTF8, and i get some other kind of garbage

[09:54:05]

Dagmar:

There was your mistake

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hads:

Unicode confuses me

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KaZeR:

hads, so it does with me. i've been fighting with that for almost a week

[09:54:39]

KaZeR:

Dagmar, can you explain a little more?

[09:54:51]

Dagmar:

"i changed it to UTF8"

[09:55:02]

Dagmar:

How, specifically, did you change the charset?

[09:55:24]

KaZeR:

in the xml file, by changing the <xml> line at the beginning

[09:55:40]

hads:

Yeah that's not going to work.

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Dagmar:

That was a very wrong way to do it

[09:56:05]

Dagmar:

You actually have to use a _tool_ that can translate between charsets

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Dagmar:

Doing what you did, you might as well have told the system it was EBCDIC

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KaZeR:

in fact, using iso-8815 would be fine for me. my db is in latin1. that's related, isn't it?

[09:57:22]

Dagmar:

Let's say for example, in 8815–1 the tilde ("~") character is 0x64 0xa3

[09:57:42]

Dagmar:

This does not mean 0x64 0xa3 is still a tilde in UTF8

[09:57:56]

Dagmar:

KaZeR: They're _close_

[09:58:03]

KaZeR:

ok. does mythfilldatabase need utf8 ?

[09:58:26]

Dagmar:

I have no idea, because I don't screw around with the charset for no good reason, and it "just works"

[09:58:37]

KaZeR:

lucky you :)

[09:59:30]

Dagmar:

Perhaps if all you furriners stopped putting little poofy flourishes on letters.

[09:59:34]

Dagmar:

;)

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juski:

lol

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KaZeR:

ahah :)

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Dagmar:

Write in ASCII like god intended and the problem goes right away. ;)

[10:00:12]

juski:

EWRONGCOUNTRY

[10:00:25]

KaZeR:

yeah, ascii like in American Standard , well, god : )

[10:01:29]

Dagmar:

Absolutely Standard Code for Information Interchange

[10:01:33]

Dagmar:

heheh

[10:02:08]

KaZeR:

when importing with mythfilldatabase, the accents are correctly shown :

[10:02:17]

Dagmar:

You'll have to forgive me, I've spent about 8 hours of the last 12 trying to beat the stupid out of a shadow package

[10:02:24]

Dagmar:

It's made me light headed

[10:02:26]

KaZeR:

yeah no problem :)

[10:02:33]

KaZeR:

removing existing program: W91.kazer.org En qu?te d'action 2007-07–25T22:30:00 – 2007-07–26T00:10:00

[10:02:34]

KaZeR:

[10:02:57]

KaZeR:

don't know if you see it well, but on the "inserting" line, the words are right spelled

[10:03:03]

Dagmar:

Notably there's actually some stuff in the wiki about what actually *works* to make that happen

[10:03:18]

Dagmar:

I can see it fine because I'm on a console

[10:03:37]

KaZeR:

ok

[10:03:41]

KaZeR:

in the db i got that :

[10:03:46]

KaZeR:

En quête d'action | Vacances : la folie camping

[10:03:53]

KaZeR:

-> broken

[10:04:17]

Dagmar:

Yes, the db has to be in a multibyte charset and it's not

[10:04:39]

Dagmar:

Either that or something is munging the data into UTF8 on the way out

[10:04:59]

Dagmar:

UTF8 is 8 bytes per character, period, AFAIK

[10:05:11]

KaZeR:

| mythconverg | CREATE DATABASE `mythconverg` /*!40100 DEFAULT CHARACTER SET latin1 */ |

[10:05:19]

KaZeR:

that's my problem?

[10:05:26]

Dagmar:

Almost all the other codepages used for i18n are 16 bits per character, or more

[10:05:32]

Dagmar:

s/8 bytes/8 bits/

[10:05:50]

Dagmar:

I don't know, I don't speak latin

[10:05:59]

KaZeR:

:)

[10:06:24]

Dagmar:

I cant' remember if latin1 is 8859–1 for sure at the moment

[10:06:40]

KaZeR:

i think it is

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** hads thinks it is too **

[10:07:03]

KaZeR:

mysql> show variables like '%char%';

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KaZeR:

+--------------------------+----------------------------+

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KaZeR:

| Variable_name | Value |

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KaZeR:

+--------------------------+----------------------------+

[10:07:03]

KaZeR:

| character_set_client | latin1 |

[10:07:03]

KaZeR:

| character_set_connection | latin1 |

[10:07:07]

KaZeR:

| character_set_database | latin1 |

[10:07:09]

KaZeR:

| character_set_filesystem | binary |

[10:07:11]

KaZeR:

| character_set_results | latin1 |

[10:07:14]

KaZeR:

| character_set_server | latin1 |

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hads:

Oh no

[10:07:15]

KaZeR:

| character_set_system | utf8 |

[10:07:17]

KaZeR:

| character_sets_dir | /usr/share/mysql/charsets/ |

[10:07:19]

KaZeR:

+--------------------------+----------------------------+

[10:07:31]

juski:

!trout KaZeR pastebin

[10:07:31]

** MythLogBot slaps KaZeR with a pastebin trout on behalf of juski... **

[10:07:42]

KaZeR:

erm. apologies guys :)

[10:11:02]

KaZeR:

no more ideas people? anything i can try?

[10:16:06]

otwin:

KaZeR: my db config is the same as yours and the french and german grabber listings are fine here

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KaZeR:

otwin, nice. you are using xmltv-s official grabber?

[10:19:43]

otwin:

tv_grab_de_tvtoday, tv_grab_fr, tv_grab_be and tv_grab_uk_rt

[10:20:18]

otwin:

so, yes

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KaZeR:

ok. would you mind sending me a sample output of tv_grab_fr ?

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KaZeR:

so i can test if it's realted to my xml encoding

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otwin:

KaZeR: to what adress should i send it? gotta go any minute now...

[10:27:48]

KaZeR:

you didn't see my reply in pm?

[10:28:36]

otwin:

no

[10:28:51]

otwin:

i think your nick has to be registered

[10:28:56]

KaZeR:

oh yes.

[10:29:03]

KaZeR:

use mynick@borntofrag.net

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KaZeR:

and thanks :)

[10:30:04]

KaZeR:

have to go to. i'll have a look at this later. thanks :)

[10:30:42]

otwin:

done

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** PsychoI3oy stabs alsa in the face **

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** PsychoI3oy stabs leadtek in the face while he's at it **

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** juski chuckles **

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juski:

living up to your nick anyway PsychoI3oy :)

[10:56:43]

PsychoI3oy:

I had this problem when I first set up this tv2kxp with my sblive

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laga:

g'day

[10:57:03]

PsychoI3oy:

this new motherboard i just got has onboard sound, but I put the sblive in it to begin with

[10:57:34]

PsychoI3oy:

everything else in myth is working, but I don't remember what the magic incantation was that got the sound working the first time around (having tried about 3 dozen different things)

[10:57:34]

Dagmar:

I can't imagine having a problem with an sblive card

[10:57:44]

Dagmar:

unmuting the mixer?

[10:57:51]

PsychoI3oy:

so I yanked the slblive and turned on the onboard snd_hda_intel

[10:57:58]

PsychoI3oy:

Dagmar, yes, if I want to hear tv all the time

[10:57:58]

Dagmar:

hahah

[10:58:16]

Dagmar:

hda is kinda a disaster area still

[10:58:29]

PsychoI3oy:

the problem is, the only internal 4 pin analog input for the onboard sound is the 'cd' input

[10:58:41]

PsychoI3oy:

no worries, I use DAE if I want to listen to a cd

[10:58:43]

Dagmar:

Solution: Remove framegrabber card from machine

[10:58:46]

PsychoI3oy:

so I'm plugged into that

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PsychoI3oy:

heh

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Dagmar:

Oh for playing CDs

[10:59:18]

Dagmar:

Just rip 'em and stuff 'em in the closet

[10:59:35]

PsychoI3oy:

well, eventually I'll rebuild all the old parts and hdd into a standalone myth box and won't even have to worry about it

[10:59:40]

PsychoI3oy:

and the slbive will go back in that box

[11:00:00]

PsychoI3oy:

but I'd kinda like to get this working for now

[11:01:05]

PsychoI3oy:

with the v4lctl -c /dev/video0 setattr mute on and the cd channel in alsamixer unmuted, tvtime works fine

[11:01:28]

PsychoI3oy:

normally (in the old setup) i'd mute the 'aux' 4pin internal analog input and v4lctl mute off

[11:01:31]

PsychoI3oy:

and myth would work

[11:01:38]

Dagmar:

OH.

[11:01:40]

Dagmar:

Read the wiki

[11:01:44]

juski:

moral of this story is NEVER to buy a stinking framegrabber in the first place

[11:02:15]

Dagmar:

Your time is worth more than the measly $15 more a PVR-150 costs

[11:02:31]

PsychoI3oy:

but this time around, wether it was the sblive or now the intel hd, muting the output of the analog, selecting it as the capture source, and unmuting via v4lctl doesn't work

[11:02:59]

PsychoI3oy:

well, yeah, I just spent $700 on the new mobo/cpu/video/ram/hdd

[11:03:12]

PsychoI3oy:

so I'm using the old $35 leadtek for now

[11:03:28]

PsychoI3oy:

besides, I know it can be made to work

[11:04:10]

juski:

for $700 I'd want it to do HDTV but ...

[11:04:28]

PsychoI3oy:

the leadtek is something I bought a year ago

[11:04:31]

Dagmar:

So, you spent $700 on the machine, but couldn't add another $15 to actually make it useful.

[11:04:36]

PsychoI3oy:

no

[11:04:57]

PsychoI3oy:

I upgraded everything but the sound card and tv card

[11:05:09]

PsychoI3oy:

and did a fresh 64 bit gentoo install

[11:05:18]

PsychoI3oy:

and would like my tv

[11:05:29]

PsychoI3oy:

because the old card was just fine a week ago in the old box

[11:05:49]

PsychoI3oy:

yes, it's a piece of shit card

[11:06:13]

PsychoI3oy:

but since it was working, i didn't think to upgrade it when i bought all the other parts

[11:06:25]

PsychoI3oy:

i just want to get it working again

[11:06:37]

Dagmar:

We need to put the kittenkiller.jpg on the front page of the wiki somehow

[11:06:51]

PsychoI3oy:

?

[11:07:07]

Dagmar:

It's anti-framegrabber propaganda

[11:07:34]

Dagmar:

Basically, a picture of a kitten with the text "Every time you use a framegrabber card, Juski kills a kitten"

[11:08:27]

PsychoI3oy:

haha

[11:08:42]

PsychoI3oy:

yeah, well, i'm not a videophile by any means

[11:08:53]

PsychoI3oy:

I just wanna watch mythbusters and stuff every once in a while

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[11:09:22]

PsychoI3oy:

hell, all the important things I've missed this week I've been able to download via BT

[11:09:27]

PsychoI3oy:

all 3 shows

[11:09:47]

PsychoI3oy:

in fact

[11:09:50]

PsychoI3oy:

fuckit

[11:10:00]

PsychoI3oy:

i'll wait till i have another box to build the old parts inot

[11:10:01]

PsychoI3oy:

into

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juski:

great. not just a framegrabber user but encouraging piracy too. awesome

[11:10:13]

PsychoI3oy:

yes

[11:10:31]

PsychoI3oy:

but is it piracy if I'm watching something I would have otherwise recorded and played back later without commercials?

[11:10:37]

juski:

yes

[11:11:31]

juski:

last time I looked, with BT you're not only downloading, you're part of the 'problem'

[11:11:31]

PsychoI3oy:

they're still getting exactly 0 ad-views from me, and I have access to the content via the cable which I pay plenty for, so how is aquiring it from an alternate source illegal?

[11:11:47]

juski:

anyway subject closed

[11:11:49]

PsychoI3oy:

oh, sharing to people that don't otherwise pay for cable or have access to the programming

[11:11:52]

PsychoI3oy:

true

[11:11:57]

PsychoI3oy:

here's my wrists

[11:11:59]

PsychoI3oy:

slap them hard

[11:12:01]

PsychoI3oy:

anywho

[11:12:06]

PsychoI3oy:

thanks for the insults and non help

[11:12:13]

PsychoI3oy:

have a nice day

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Dagmar:

I told him it's in the wiki

[11:12:36]

juski:

I wouldn't go admitting to using P2P apps for nefarious purposes in a logged channel. I'm not that stupid

[11:12:36]

Dagmar:

Someone's put README encryption all over it again I guess

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juski:

it's that plain text encryption that gets most people I think

[11:15:32]

juski:

wow though.. $700 for a SDTV HTPC & it doesn't even work. smart move

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juski:

mmmm something very shiny is coming. not soon

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olsta_:

ji

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olsta_:

hi

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olsta_:

i want to use mythweb

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olsta_:

i have a mysql server with apache and php

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olsta_:

i edit the .htaccess

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olsta_:

for the right options for the mysql database

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olsta_:

but i get only this

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olsta_:

The database environment variables are not correctly set in the

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olsta_:

included .htaccess file. Please read through the comments included

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olsta_:

in the file and set up the db_* environment variables correctly.

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hads:

And did you?

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Dagmar:

Then tell the computer repeatedly that they're right until it believes you

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Dagmar:

...or look for the mistake you made while trying to follow the directions.

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olsta_:

yes i think, because there are more tables in the sql database and its work

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olsta_:

i can logon on my database with root

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olsta_:

but i have in the databse a user mythtv, too

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juski:

maybe there's a problem with database privileges

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olsta_:

is my db_login root or mythtv?

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juski:

I wouldn't recomment you using the mysql root login for mythweb

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olsta_:

k

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olsta_:

and how i will this do?

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hads:

Day changed to 20 Jul 2007

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olsta_:

can someone help?

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hari_seldon99:

hi

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Dagmar:

You know I could have sworn the instructions said pretty clearly to use the mythtv db account

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juski:

me too

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hari_seldon99:

Im trying to fix the greyscale OSD problem on mythtv with Nvidia geforce fx 5200 using this howto:http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Gre . . . a_4_.26_5.29

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juski:

ah fackit. I'm worth more than this

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hari_seldon99:

but no go

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hari_seldon99:

can anyone help me out a bit?

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tafkaz:

hi there...

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tafkaz:

have a new probleme here...

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tafkaz:

mythwelcome.log says

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tafkaz:

NVP: prebuffering pause

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tafkaz:

continously

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laga:

hari_seldon99: could you be more specific?

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tafkaz:

and the output is all choppy

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tafkaz:

WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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tafkaz:

any idea ?

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hari_seldon99:

ok. I got an nvidia fx5200 for my remote frontend, and it wouldn;t playback mpeg2s from the backend properly w/out xvmc enabled

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hari_seldon99:

so I did

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hari_seldon99:

now the osd is all grey

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hari_seldon99:

There's supposed to be some obscure hack to fix this per this wikipage:

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hari_seldon99:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Gre . . . a_4_.26_5.29

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hari_seldon99:

I followed the instructions to the letter, but nada

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hari_seldon99:

osd's still grey

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hari_seldon99:

:'-(

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adante:

hari_seldon99: what mb chipset are you using?

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hari_seldon99:

for the nvidia? It's a geforce FX 5200

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adante:

for the motherboard i mean

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hari_seldon99:

frontend or backend?

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adante:

or is that a mobo chipset too nowadays heh

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adante:

frontend

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tafkaz:

ProcessFrameXvMC seems to have problems....any ideas ?

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hari_seldon99:

frontend is an intel motherboard

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hari_seldon99:

lspci shows: 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 01)

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laga:

tafkaz: disable xvmc?

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tafkaz:

where ?

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tafkaz:

in the frontend...

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tafkaz:

but i thought that would make everything much faster...

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hari_seldon99:

oddly though, if I log in as a different user and su to the regular account in the FE, then connect to the BE, the greyness is gone

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hari_seldon99:

bizarre

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laga:

tafkaz: does it work without xvmc?

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tafkaz:

i will have to try that...

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tafkaz:

when i installed mythtv a week ago i had no change of having a decent live-tv experience without XvMC

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laga:

tafkaz: your box is probably too slow

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tafkaz:

naaaaah....its a pundit with an athlon x2 1gb ram

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juski:

ati graphics?

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tafkaz:

nvidia

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juski:

using the binary drivers?

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tafkaz:

this happens only in live-tv mode

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tafkaz:

nope...nvidia driver

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Dagmar:

Ancient MFM drives then?

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tafkaz:

MFM ?

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juski:

if you've got an athlon X2 I'd not bother with xvmc

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tafkaz:

ok...you think i should just deactivate it ?

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planktonboy:

hi all

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juski:

throw out the framegrabber card too

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juski:

tafkaz: YES

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Dagmar:

You have a framegrabber card?

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planktonboy:

does anyone use mythphone in here

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hari_seldon99:

Is this the right mysql command:

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hari_seldon99:

INSERT INTO settings SET value='UseChromaKeyOSD',data='1',hostname='yourhost';

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Dagmar:

Serves you right then

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tafkaz:

ok....i can try

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Dagmar:

hari_seldon99: Could be

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tafkaz:

framegrabber card ??? no

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hads:

mythtv trunk + an ivtv card?

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olsta_:

well the same information about the database is in the mythfrontend as in .htaccess

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tafkaz:

its an nvidia

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planktonboy:

just wondering what else I need in order to get mythphone instant messaging working

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juski:

tafkaz: the tuner card, you dummy

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olsta_:

but the mythweb will doesen`t work

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tafkaz:

uhhh sorry

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hari_seldon99:

well I entered it like that, except I changed yourhost to myhost

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juski:

this is exactly why I hope mythtv never gets ported to windows

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tafkaz:

its a dvb-s haupauge card....nova s-plus

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tafkaz:

should be pretty cool

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Dagmar:

We will institute a trivia bot to make people answer technical questions correctly before being given voice

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planktonboy:

hi Dagmar :)

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juski:

just castrate all the thick people in the world

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Dagmar:

"Question: What is the third from last word in this sentence?" should stop 90% of them.

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hads:

There should be an attitude bot too.

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juski:

hads: but then I couldn't get in. you bastard

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hads:

:)

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tafkaz:

lol

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tafkaz:

cmon....

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planktonboy:

hi juski, am using your blootubw-wide now on my main mythfrontend now...looks awesome on my Samsung 40"

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juski:

some watermarks are still totally lame but there's nothing I can do about that til I can draw better

[12:22:43]

hari_seldon99:

here is my frontend's xorg:

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hari_seldon99:

http://pastebin.com/m5141fcf4

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juski:

there'll be no sneak peeks of the next theme either. when it's ready for release I'll just let it out

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planktonboy:

I like that sort of sonic wave image on the background

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juski:

planktonboy: I hate it. it's from the old blue theme

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planktonboy:

adds a bit of interest

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planktonboy:

yeah?

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planktonboy:

I thought it looked good

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Dagmar:

Just release a Best Of Goatse theme

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juski:

tells you something baout it if *I* don't even use it

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Dagmar:

That'll put a stop to people ripping things off

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hari_seldon99:

hey juski ur new blootheme's pretty cool

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hari_seldon99:

but the non-lite version is a major memory hog

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juski:

hari_seldon99: upgrade your mythtv & it'll use less

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hari_seldon99:

i'm using 0.20

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Dagmar:

thrice: mostly

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juski:

I could make a totally fucktarded lame theme that uses next to no memory but that'd be er.. lame

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planktonboy:

anyway, just searching the net for any info on mythphone, seems to be nothing out there re the instant messaging

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juski:

hari_seldon99: there have been fixes to 0.20 backported from SVN trunk to make 0.20 use less memory too

[12:25:28]

hari_seldon99:

oh

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hari_seldon99:

I'll peek at it later. One disaster at a time...

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juski:

if your friendly local packager pulls his finger out...

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hari_seldon99:

that wuld be cecil

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planktonboy:

and unfurtunately the developers website for mythphone has been down for ages#

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juski:

planktonboy: I can't honestly believe anybody thinks mythphone would be useful to them

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hari_seldon99:

anywho, has anyone ever encountered/resolved this grey OSD problem w nvidias?

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juski:

hari_seldon99: try a different driver version, or get a faster PCU so you don't need to use xvmc

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juski:

s/PCU/CPU

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hari_seldon99:

a newer driver version?

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hari_seldon99:

perhaps the latest ones from nvidia (I think they launched an update early July)

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juski:

did I say newer?

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juski:

nvidia break stuff so often it's sometimes better to roll a driver *back*

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hari_seldon99:

oh

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hari_seldon99:

ok

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juski:

the option is there. costs you nothing to try but time

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hari_seldon99:

hmm

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Dagmar:

Sometimes it helps to look at the README for it so you learn about flags like UseEvents

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planktonboy:

juski, well seeing as it was in there I thought it would be good to get it going and then I could pop up an instant message to my old dear to check if she was using mythtv properly :)

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juski:

Dagmar: you're gonna burn in hell, blasphemer!

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planktonboy:

actually your porbably right

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juski:

mythtv needs developers

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planktonboy:

but yes

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juski:

we've got some already but I can't name anybody who gives a damn about some of the plugins

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planktonboy:

it might be a waste of time trying

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juski:

they're not paid enough to care about plugins they don't use/need ;)

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planktonboy:

yup

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planktonboy:

if it was compatiblw with skype then a few more people might be interested in it possibly

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planktonboy:

anyways

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planktonboy:

not to worry

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juski:

if people spent more time coding than making smartass comments.. ;)

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planktonboy:

its just easier to pick up the real phone and dial

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planktonboy:

LOL

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planktonboy:

haha

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planktonboy:

yeah...bloody smartarses

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planktonboy:

:)

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laga:

juski: that reminded me of some of your experiences: http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070716

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juski:

hey I know my attitude sucks. no need to tell me that. but I just don't care (tm)

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juski:

laga roflmao

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planktonboy:

anyways...best be off...cya chaps later

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planktonboy:

byee

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planktonboy:

:)

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juski:

ttfn

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quicksilver:

if people spent more time coding than making smartass comments, they would be real programmers!

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jduggan_:

in my experience its devs that make smartass comments

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jduggan_:

:o

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SiD3WiNDR:

devs who are maybe not real programmers!

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juski:

yeah that's me!

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juski:

if you don't like it just put me on ignore

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juski:

another thing.. it doesn't cost anything to be nice to somebody. it sure as hell isn't as much fun as being a bastard though

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doc__:

hi there

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SiD3WiNDR:

juski: haha, so true :>

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juski:

anyway, I'll start being nice to folks just as soon as they start acting smart

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laga:

my perl-fu is very weak.

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jarle__:

If I have a DVB setup with 4 LNBs and a diseqc, is this handled as one input by mythtv or as four?

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janneg:

jarle__: four, set one diseqc switch with 4 ports up and connect to each port one LNB

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janneg:

then add four source and assign each source one switch port

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jarle__:

janneg: oki, thnx...

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olsta_:

re

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olsta_:

i can login with mythtv and mythtv on my phpmyadmin

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olsta_:

and i edit the .htaccess but it`s doesen`t work

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laga:

what's the error message?

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olsta_:

The database environment variables are not correctly set in the

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olsta_:

included .htaccess file. Please read through the comments included

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olsta_:

in the file and set up the db_* environment variables correctly.

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olsta_:

Some possible solutions are to make sure that mod_env is enabled

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olsta_:

in httpd.conf, as well as having followed the instructions in the

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olsta_:

README about the AllowOverride settings.

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olsta_:

but they are correct

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olsta_:

AllowOveride is in the httpd.conf none

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laga:

try AllowOverride All

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jarle__:

janneg: When scanning for channels, do I need to tell it which transponders to search? (I just get "error parsing parameters")

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laga:

jarle__: yes

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jarle__:

how do I supply the list of transponders then? The guide I'm following doesn't cover DVB-S setup...

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olsta_:

laga: i restart the httpd but it will not work

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janneg:

jarle__: you just have to enter one per satellite if theere is a proper NIT

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juski:

if somebody could pass me some notes on how to do the satellite stuff I'll glady edit the wiki

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juski:

s/glady/gladly

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janneg:

jarle__: look at http://www.lyngsat.com for transponder data

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olsta_:

someone an idea?

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laga:

olsta_: see /var/log/apache2*

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olsta_:

no logs exist in /var/log/ with apache

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laga:

then find out where your distribution stores its log files.

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tafkaz:

why wont i see any /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status with ubuntu feisty ?

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tafkaz:

cat: /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status: No such file or directory

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laga:

because it's not there i guess

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olsta_:

can it be a perrmissions problem?

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olsta_:

-rwxrw-rwx 1 nobody nobody 6299 19. Jul 15:26 .htaccess

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tafkaz:

hm.....no....just isnt there....but how does this go away....? or else...what can ido do get it back ?

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laga:

tafkaz: why do you need it?

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laga:

tafkaz: maybe it's gone in newer driver versions

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olsta_:

i edit the mythweb/.htaccess is this right?

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tafkaz:

i would like to see which agp is currently running...cause i still have these WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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laga:

olsta_: i don't even know what your problem is because you fail to give us a sane description.

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tafkaz:

errors in mythtv

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laga:

tafkaz: cat /proc/driver/nvidia/cards/0 ?

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tafkaz:

and i read it could have something to do with agp & nvidia

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tafkaz:

Model: GeForce 6150

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tafkaz:

IRQ: 21

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tafkaz:

ok !

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olsta_:

my problem? i can login about phpmyadmin with mythweb ant there is the table mythconverg i edit the .htaccess wit the same name and it doesen`t work

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laga:

olsta_: "it doesen`t work" is not a good description

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tafkaz:

laga: or do u know of any other way of finding out which version is running ?

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jarle__:

"DiSEqCDevTree, Error: Port 1 has no connected devices configured."

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laga:

tafkaz: dmesg, /var/log/Xorg.0.log

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tafkaz:

dmesg | grep agp

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tafkaz:

[ 13.724000] Linux agpgart interface v0.102 (c) Dave Jones

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tafkaz:

that is not particularly explicit is it ?

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olsta_:

laga: like this?

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olsta_:

192.168.2.27 – - [19/Jul/2007:15:42:16 +0200] "GET /mythweb/ HTTP/1.1" 200 728 "-" "Opera/9.21 (X11; Linux i686; U; de)"

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olsta_:

192.168.2.27 – - [19/Jul/2007:15:42:17 +0200] "GET /mythweb/skins/errors.css HTTP/1.1" 304 – "-" "Opera/9.21 (X11; Linux i686; U; de)"

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olsta_:

192.168.2.27 – - [19/Jul/2007:15:42:17 +0200] "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1" 304 – "-" "Opera/9.21 (X11; Linux i686; U; de)"

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olsta_:

is from the /var/log/httpd/access_log

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olsta_:

here from the /var/log/httpd/error_log http://de.pastebin.ca/626190

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olsta_:

i use the database for another frontends, too and there it will work

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cout:

when I play a dvd in mythtv, there's a blue haze at the bottom of the screen. it's not present when I play videos with mplayer. any ideas what that might be?

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Merlin83b2:

Subtitles being displayed off the screen?

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olsta_:

i had this problem with my tvout on a nvidia geforce 2 and i work with nvtv with the resolution 800x600. there was a blue haze too. with 768x576 it`s all ok

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cout:

I'm running 1080i

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fryfrog:

from vga/dvi/hdmo?

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cout:

I don't think it's subtitles, but I'll check that.

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fryfrog:

er, i

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cout:

componnent

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fryfrog:

ah

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cout:

maybe I should take a screenshot and see if it's something that's actually being displayed or if it's an artifact of the video out

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fryfrog:

i'm sure you've thought of it... but mine sometimes has a haze from my fluxbox's "slit" at the bottom :/

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fryfrog:

thats a good idea

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cout:

hmm, and the slit would be invisible from mplayer

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cout:

I don't really need the slit, maybe I should use a different wm or turn the slit off

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fryfrog:

i think i made my slit black

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fryfrog:

and the bg black

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cout:

I'll try that when I get home and see how it works

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cout:

(I don't have internet access at home, unfortunately)

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fryfrog:

OH MY GOD

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fryfrog:

how do you justify living? :)

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cout:

actually not so unfortunately, it keeps me from wasting my time

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cstar:

recommendation request for myth frontend: mvpmc on mediaMVP or minimyth on mini-ITX?

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cout:

mini-itx is a lot of trouble, in my experience (though to be fair I was using an epia 800)

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cout:

if you get the right box, though, you can use two pci slots on your mini-itx, then you can have a tuner and a faster graphics card

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cout:

IMO the silverstone boxes work better (they use the more standard micro atx format, which means you can get agp or pci-e), and they look a lot nicer

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cout:

and if you replace the fans with nexus case fans, they're even quieter than the 40mm fans used on the mini-itx

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thoraxe:

i have a coolermaster centurion or something, the psu is friggin loud

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thoraxe:

i need to get a better case... and actually rebuild my htpc

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thoraxe:

or something

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cout:

actually my mini-itx is silent now; I replaced the stock heatsink with the largest vga heatsink I could find, and replaced the HD with a 512mb compact flash

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d00gster:

what about minimac for frontend, any issues there Cout ?

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cout:

never used it

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cout:

my brother has one and he likes it, but he doesn't use it for myth

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d00gster:

there are builds for myth on mac ... the intel based one has a decent cpu and a decent video card. wonder if I can do full 1080p in it though

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d00gster:

oh it also has a built in IR receiver at the front ... no fans and external psu

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AndyCap:

d00gster: people here yesterday said it did 1080p mpeg-2 fine at least.

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metalac:

hey guys

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metalac:

i'm using firewire going to the motorola box and everything seems to work fine, except one thing

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metalac:

when I change to particular channels MythTV shows a blank screen for a while and it takes me back to the main menu

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metalac:

this causes myth to be stuck at this particular channel, so when i click on LiveTV it does it again, so the only way for me to change is to stop the backend and enter mythtv-setup to change the starting channel

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metalac:

is there any way to avoid this? have a "default" channel for myth

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metalac:

btw this didn't happen on my previous installation of myth, slightly different hardware, but still the same firewire card

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fryfrog:

metalac: do you use firewire to get video *and* change the channel?

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metalac:

fryfrog: yes i do

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fryfrog:

does it work for recordings? I usefirewire in the same way, but i basically never use livetv

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metalac:

let me give it a try

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metalac:

it's off now, so it might take a second ;)

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fryfrog:

i think the one or two times i've tried livetv, its been very hit or miss

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fryfrog:

have you experimented with firewire_tester and such?

[16:42:32]

fryfrog:

my firewire cable boxes are pieces of crap and i had to write a pretty strong script to make sure they "work"

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fryfrog:

and i still get failures

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metalac:

everything seems to work fine, but it's the few select channels that don't show

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fryfrog:

ah, i have problem channels too

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fryfrog:

870, 841 and ummm

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fryfrog:

86x? i forget which

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metalac:

well recording works fine

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fryfrog:

just livetv doesn't work so hot?

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metalac:

yeah

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metalac:

channel 662

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metalac:

btw does PCHDTV-5500 card support all digital channels regardless of resolution?

[16:48:19]

fryfrog:

i'm not sure what you mean?

[16:48:26]

fryfrog:

afaik, it does analog and digital

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metalac:

oh ok

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metalac:

so it will do my non-HD channels as well?

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fryfrog:

analog ones

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metalac:

what about the digital ones?

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fryfrog:

depends on your cable co

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fryfrog:

my ATSC/QAM cards get like 300 channels

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fryfrog:

200 or more are encrypted and won't tune

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fryfrog:

the other 100 are crap

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fryfrog:

like QVC, etc

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fryfrog:

and like maybe 10 of the 100 are "good" like NBC HD, etc

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mkrufky:

pchdtv-5500 doesnt care if it's SDTV or HDTV

[16:51:02]

mkrufky:

no device would care

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mkrufky:

digital is digital, analog is analog

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mkrufky:

typically, in US QAM, you'll see 2–4, program streams on a single frequency, for HDTV

[16:52:02]

mkrufky:

but for SDTV, i've got around 16 program streams on one frequency

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mkrufky:

.... which means, that..... once multirec is in, you'll potentially be able to record 16 SDTV shows at once using a single capture card

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metalac:

ooh sweet

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metalac:

well my firewire works all of a sudden with these problem channels :)

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fryfrog:

mkrufky: how is multi-rec coming along anyway?

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metalac:

now i have another issue

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metalac:

with volume up EVERYWHERE i could think of i can't hear anything unless i put my head next to the speaker

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mkrufky:

fryfrog: i've no idea... i think that's janneg's project, although i dont really know for sure

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juski:

mkrufky: what's the peak datarate of one dvb-s mux? must be quite chunky

[17:08:35]

mkrufky:

juski: i dunno

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Dibblah:

dvb-s or S2?

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juski:

dvb-s

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mkrufky:

fryfrog: i'm actually NOT a mythtv dev .... im driver developer

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juski:

probably around 32Mbits/sec or so I guess

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Dibblah:

45Mbits/sec.

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juski:

woo nice

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Dibblah:

That's before error correction, so real data rate is lower.

[17:10:17]

Dibblah:

38Mbits, ISTR.

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juski:

no danger of running out of pci bus bandwidth with one tuner then ;)

[17:10:36]

Dibblah:

PCI bus isn't that much of an issue.

[17:10:40]

AndyCap:

http://www.satellite-calculations.com/Satellite/bitrates.htm

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Dibblah:

USB / CAM / ... is more limiting.

[17:11:23]

AndyCap:

Dibblah: but a CAM doesn't need the whole stream right?

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juski:

yeah that figures

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juski:

a CAM might not have enough throughput to decripple all the streams you want to record though

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juski:

they understandably didn't figure for crazy people dumping a whole transport I bet

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sphery:

juski: Any chance you know if there's a reason that <size:small> and <size:big> aren't defined for fonts in (at least a lot of) the default and default-wide?

[17:12:41]

mkrufky:

juski: is that in regards to multirec? if using a 'budget' card, there is the same amount of data being transferred regardless of how many program streams are being recorded

[17:13:04]

sphery:

Was it because it's hard to make changeable sizes that work across all themes or because it just never got implemented?

[17:13:08]

juski:

mkrufky: oh yeah cos the software is doing the PID filtering :)

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mkrufky:

yes

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juski:

sphery: never got implemented AFAIK

[17:13:26]

sphery:

Just curious...

[17:13:38]

AndyCap:

oh well, multi-rec will probably suffer under cardsharing-countermeasures. :)

[17:13:41]

Dibblah:

And a few budget cards don't have the CSA hardware anyway.

[17:13:41]

juski:

sphery: it's a waste of frickin space anyway, that IMHO

[17:13:49]

mkrufky:

... there are exceptions, though .... the b2c2-flexcop devices, and some m920x devices have hardware pid filters

[17:14:05]

mkrufky:

i think others too...

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juski:

mkrufky: but I guess the filtering is only used if the driver wants to

[17:14:22]

mkrufky:

yes

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juski:

excellent :D

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mkrufky:

umm... i dont know if you can turn it off on a flexcop

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sphery:

Why a waste of space? I'm wondering mainly because of the people who say that the font size settings don't work.

[17:14:41]

mkrufky:

i havent really played much with full ts

[17:14:47]

mkrufky:

actually... i will play right now, brb

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sphery:

Was thinking that getting some support into default definitions would improve things a lot.

[17:15:01]

juski:

sphery: because (like me) they think that changing the numbers will change the font sizes in the theme

[17:15:21]

juski:

sphery: I've got my hands more than full, so if you wanna lend a hand feel free

[17:15:23]

sphery:

No, the other font sizes... :) The non-QT ones.

[17:15:54]

juski:

sphery: that's what I mean. For AGES I was pissed off that changing those numbers didn't affect the menu font size etc :)

[17:16:27]

zdzisekg:

I have my MythBox connected to a home theater system via an analog output. Anyone knows why a 5.1 audio on HD channels would be very low in volume?

[17:16:41]

juski:

sphery: for one thing it trebles the test time :( I really can't be bothered with them because it's enough of a pain to make it all fit as it is

[17:17:10]

juski:

sphery: theme designers should always work on the rationale that a user will be sitting 10 feet away from the screen IMHO

[17:17:14]

sphery:

Yeah. I understand. Was just curious if you'd be interested in patches.

[17:17:16]

AndyCap:

zdzisekg: because you don't get all 5.1 channels downmixed into 2?

[17:17:28]

sphery:

I've been playing with adding small to some areas (like status box).

[17:17:30]

AndyCap:

zdzisekg: or do you have 6 analog connections?

[17:17:32]

juski:

sphery: for my own themes I couldn't give a rats ass about the alternate font sizes

[17:17:53]

sphery:

I guess if you're the theme designer, the fonts are just perfect for you, anyway. :)

[17:18:04]

zdzisekg:

AndyCap: just 2 channels.

[17:18:22]

juski:

sphery: maybe something to think about for the future would be having a generic 'size' parameter & change the amount of detail shown accordingly

[17:18:58]

juski:

from my own PoV I get about as much as I possibly can onscreen in the space provided, in as big a font as possible anyway

[17:19:45]

sphery:

Yeah. With big and small the amount of data pretty well adjusts appropriately (that's why I'm making the status box fonts smaller--to get more data).

[17:19:46]

juski:

just wait til I do a kids' theme. oh boy. list 4 shows in 'recorded programs' list, in like 32pt text or so :-P

[17:19:54]

sphery:

A numeric thing would be good.

[17:20:13]

sphery:

kind of like Bruce's QtFontTweak, but for themed fonts.

[17:20:29]

sphery:

QtFonTweak, I guess.

[17:20:44]

juski:

I think designing the theme right in the first place should eliminate a user needing to tweak font sizes.

[17:21:23]

juski:

I'd vote for removing the font size thing altogether. if you can't read it on your screen, sort out your X Dpi, install the right fonts, or GET GLASSES

[17:21:28]

sphery:

I'd agree if a) all users had the same size TV and sat the same distance from the TV and b) if users weren't users. :)

[17:22:05]

sphery:

Removing it would definitely be easier (and--except for the commit message--likely to never be noticed by anyone).

[17:22:55]

juski:

I've thought about sitting down & sorting out my own house & putting alternate sizes in for everything- but I'm put off by having to test it all. So the thought of mangling all the official themes the same way leaves me colder

[17:23:41]

juski:

just spent an hour or so cleaning up the music screen in minimalist-wide. lord only knows which other themes need work there & in other places

[17:24:21]

sphery:

For me, I tend to think the fonts are too big, so I like to make them smaller. (But, that's something I can easily do with patches when compiling if we remove the ThemeFontSizeType and OSDThemeFontSizeType settings. :)

[17:24:24]

juski:

when (more likely IF) we get scrolling text areas it'll be great though. have as big a font as you want

[17:25:09]

juski:

it'd make theme design a whole load more simple if we got rid of leaving font sizes to the theme designer, but that might not be popular

[17:25:36]

juski:

'general font size', 'info font size'.. etc

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juski:

you probably only really need 3 or 4 different font sizes

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sphery:

Or a font editor plugin... :) Pick a font in a WYSIWYG display and it "rewrites" the theme to your ~/.mythtv dir... :)

[17:26:36]

juski:

sphery: no, just get it right in the 1st place

[17:26:49]

sphery:

Yeah.

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juski:

if people want the EPG in comic-sans they can go to hell

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juski:

(and people would, I bet)

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AndyCap:

zdzisekg: can't find any good docs for you at the moment though..

[17:27:28]

zdzisekg:

AndyCap: thanx for tryin'. I'll keep lookin

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juski:

anyway, my next crusade is going to be font & image naming conventions. it's a nightmare right now

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sphery:

I'll not submit the patches to add <size:small> to default-wide, then. It's probably better left as is than making more work for you.

[17:28:13]

sphery:

If you get the font naming conventions in place, we could easily add font override XML files to ~/.mythtv... :)

[17:28:16]

Dagmar:

I want someone to submit documentation that explains what the fuck controls which of those font sizes are used

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juski:

how far do themes generally go with small & big anyway? 2 or 3 points either side?

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Dagmar:

Why the hell do themes have size:small so on, when the frontend has a configuration page for those size

[17:28:43]

Dagmar:

Which is freaking actually used?

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sphery:

It varies a lot by theme...

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juski:

that could easily be hard-coded. get designers to take the max size into account & you're good

[17:29:30]

juski:

Dagmar: the frontend doesn't let you change those. where you enter the numbers is for the qt stuff, not the themeable UI things

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sphery:

Dagmar: If, for "ThemeFontSizeType" you choose "default", it uses <size>; if you choose "big", it uses <size:big> (if available or <size> if not); if you choose "small, it uses <size:small> (if available...)

[17:30:02]

juski:

IIRC the text explaining them isn't too good in 0.20 but it's been improved in trunk

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zdzisekg:

AndyCap: would this apply? http://www.halfgaar.net/surround-sound-in-linux

[17:30:46]

sphery:

Dagmar: Unfortunately, the setting is just called "Font Size" (which is identical for the Theme font size and for OSD font size), so people tend to get it confused.

[17:30:48]

Dagmar:

sphery: So the dialog boxes in the frontend setup that take *numbers* actually control nothing then?

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juski:

Dagmar: they DO control stuff – the text size in the qt widgets

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Dagmar:

AH...

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juski:

I'd love to see the back of those qt widgets

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sphery:

Dagmar: and, when people see actual font sizes in "Big font", "Medium font", and "Small font", they assume they're actually used, but they're only for the non-themed QT stuff... (what juski said :)

[17:31:55]

juski:

you spend HOURS, DAYS making a theme with all your own images, then the qt widgets come along & devalue all of it

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juski:

oh joy! a rectangular button with '3D' shading. PFFT

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sphery:

Dagmar: Oh, and BTW, there's an "OSDThemeFontSizeType" that works the same as "ThemeFontSizeType", but for the OSD.

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** juski goes to cook **

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Dagmar:

sphery: Ah okay

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Dagmar:

Can we burn the Qt config dialogs to the ground yet

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sphery:

Usually people a) flip the wrong setting and think it doesn't work, b) flip the right setting while using a theme that doesn't define alternate sizes and think it doesn't work, or c) change their DPI and break other things (but this approach will stop working with 0.21).

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Dagmar:

How are you going to stop people from changing their DPI?

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sphery:

I like juski's idea, though. Get rid of ThemeFontSizeType and OSDThemeFontSizeType and make naming conventions for fonts. Then, I may write support for font-size override XML files in ~/.mythtv

[17:36:09]

sphery:

Actually, 0.21 uses the same "physical" font size regardless of DPI, so changing DPI does nothing to font sizes.

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Dagmar:

So it's being specified in pixels now then?

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sphery:

The fonts are normalized to the point sizes defined in the theme as if the theme were run on a <theme base resolution> display at 100DPI.

[17:37:07]

sphery:

Nope. Still points, just normalized.

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sphery:

So, when the theme designer designs a 4:3 theme using 800x600 resolution base, a 12-point font is used at 800x600@100DPI. Font size is increased/decreased at run time to accommodate different resolutions/DPI's.

[17:39:36]

sphery:

(granted, it varies, but only due to rounding error--must have integer point sizes).

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jarle__:

Any help on setting up diseqc in mythtv. Currently I'm trying to scan channels from the first port on my diseqc, and I get "DiSEqCDevTree, Error: Port 1 has no connected devices configured."

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jarle__:

Not sure if this means that my turner card is not working, or if I messed something in mythtv-setup?

[17:49:27]

jarle__:

Any config files I could upload to have any of you gurus look at?

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mrdigital:

is MythTV still being updated?

[17:57:57]

sphery:

mrdigital: Yep. The 0.20-fixes branch of SVN is constantly being updated with bug fixes.

[17:58:17]

mrdigital:

how does one install the newest mythtv files/

[17:58:20]

sphery:

The main development toward 0.21 has made a /lot/ of changes.

[17:58:30]

mrdigital:

im on FC7 can i just do yum install MythTV?

[17:58:35]

sphery:

There just hasn't yet been a good time for a 0.21 release.

[17:59:11]

sphery:

I don't use FC, but I know that ATrpms tracks 0.20-fixes, so you'll get the most up-to-date stuff from there.

[17:59:27]

sphery:

See Jarod Wilson's site for more info ( http://wilsonet.com/mythtv ).

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sphery:

But, whatever you do, don't use 0.20 release. Make sure it's 0.20-fixes (like you'd get from ATrpms).

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zntneo:

is there any reason why some "jobs" in my job queue stay queue?

[18:02:06]

sphery:

mrdigital: BTW, Jarod has been putting a lot of work into MythDora (a pre-packaged MythTV distro based on FC), so that may be a good starting place. j-rod could probably give you more info.

[18:02:20]

sphery:

zntneo: Because the jobs before them never complete?

[18:02:30]

zntneo:

well there is one thtas running now

[18:02:34]

sphery:

Or because they never complete?

[18:02:36]

zntneo:

and it was in the queue afterward

[18:03:05]

sphery:

What type of jobs? flagging? user jobs?

[18:03:21]

zntneo:

user jobs are staying queded

[18:03:36]

zntneo:

could that mean that i messed up the user job?

[18:03:48]

sphery:

I'd blame the script, but I don't use user jobs, so I can't be much help.

[18:04:10]

mrdigital:

well i already have FC7 installed and running very nicely

[18:04:12]

zntneo:

well i copied the script from how to

[18:04:15]

sphery:

I suggest looking at myth_archive_job.pl (in contrib). It's a script that can be run as a user job and it's properly written.

[18:04:44]

sphery:

zntneo: which HOWTO? Official MythTV docs or other?

[18:04:49]

j-rod:

mrdigital: +1 for sphery's recommendation if you run into issues, but for the most part, the docs at wilsonet.com/mythtv will work for F7 as well

[18:04:56]

zntneo:

its on the mythtv wiki

[18:04:58]

zntneo:

let me find it

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j-rod:

one of these days, I'll get around to validating them against Fedora 7...

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sphery:

zntneo: I'd guess that the (user-contributed and never "officially" supported) script needs some tweaks. Once you get it working, you can update the wiki. :)

[18:06:39]

sphery:

Still recommend looking at myth_archive_jobs.pl as a point of comparison.

[18:07:13]

zntneo:

ok will do. As another thing i was wondering why when i move the bitrate down it basically totally messes up the vid

[18:07:25]

sphery:

What capture card?

[18:07:33]

zntneo:

pvr-500

[18:08:07]

sphery:

What resolution and bitrate were you using before you lowered bitrate (i.e. the ones that worked)?

[18:08:17]

zntneo:

up 2200 i do believe

[18:08:20]

zntneo:

up=um

[18:08:28]

sphery:

at 720x480?

[18:08:34]

sphery:

(or 720x576 if PAL)

[18:08:40]

zntneo:

choose teh defaults so i'm not sure

[18:08:51]

zntneo:

only thing i changed was teh bitrate

[18:09:03]

zntneo:

ahh why can't i type today

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sphery:

2200 is basically the lowest you can go for "acceptable" quality (about VHS-quality) MPEG-2 at 720x480. You'll also need sufficient headroom (in max bitrate--which should be at least 33% more than average bitrate).

[18:10:13]

zntneo:

oh i think i was talkinga bout the transcoding

[18:10:30]

sphery:

So, using 2200 average and 3500 max bitrate, you'll probably get files in the 1.25GiB/hr region.

[18:10:52]

sphery:

I'm guessing you transcoded to RTJPEG. You should make sure you're using MPEG-4.

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sphery:

Can't really explain how because I don't really use transcoding.

[18:11:39]

sphery:

RTJPEG at 2200kbps would be ususable. 2200kbps for MPEG-4 should be pretty good.

[18:12:05]

sphery:

I can say that the UI (and transcoding profile naming) is confusing.

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zntneo:

actually thats what i changed everything too

[18:12:40]

zntneo:

mpeg4 i mean

[18:13:11]

zntneo:

so 1100 kbps is like way to low?

[18:13:15]

sphery:

Don't know, then. If it's configured correctly for MPEG-4 (and with all the other appropriate settings checked/unchecked), it should look good.

[18:13:28]

zntneo:

oh the 2200 looks great

[18:13:36]

zntneo:

its when i went below that

[18:13:36]

sphery:

1100kbps is basically the bottom end for MPEG-4.

[18:13:59]

zntneo:

hmm why did it mess it up so bad that sound and vid like at points don't match

[18:14:04]

zntneo:

i can see bad quality

[18:14:06]

sphery:

If you have an /extremely/ clean pre-transcoding video (i.e. from a digital capture card), it might look OK at 1100kbps.

[18:14:14]

sphery:

Any noise and you'll get bad results.

[18:14:34]

sphery:

The PVR-500 capturing from analog tuner is likely to be bad when transcoded to 1100kbps MPEG-4.

[18:15:09]

sphery:

capturing from an S-Video input from a digital STB (satellite/cable), it might be OK, but you'd probably actually need about 1600kbps or so.

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sphery:

However, if you transcode /and/ reduce the resolution, you can get 1100kbps without issue.

[18:16:20]

sphery:

So, capture at 720x480 at 4500kbps average/6000kbps max, then transcode to 352x480@1100kbps, and it would probably be fine.

[18:16:25]

zntneo:

oh i see so reducing hte reslution would fix that

[18:16:35]

zntneo:

ok i'll try that

[18:16:59]

zntneo:

hmm i noticed back to my user job, that mine is a shell script

[18:17:04]

zntneo:

where as the one you talked about is perl

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sphery:

Shouldn't be an issue--as long as you properly exit the script (with appropriate status code).

[18:17:37]

sphery:

You'll have to do the "translation" from Perl->shell.

[18:18:03]

zntneo:

hmm looks like its properally existed

[18:18:31]

sphery:

zntneo: regarding transcoding, see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/231978#231978 (link in that post for great chart and the "qualifiers" in that post).

[18:18:43]

zntneo:

thanks

[18:19:11]

sphery:

Note that the chart is for MPEG-2 and you can get to almost 1/2 the bitrate at same quality for MPEG-4.

[18:19:44]

zntneo:

also is there a reason why the files it produces won't play in quicktime on mac/

[18:19:51]

zntneo:

hope you don't mind all the questions

[18:20:18]

sphery:

If I did, I wouldn't be hanging out here. :)

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sphery:

The transcoded files use a Myth-specific version of NuppelVideo.

[18:20:38]

zntneo:

i figured that

[18:20:45]

sphery:

ffmpeg now has support for it, so it should work in MPlayer.

[18:20:46]

zntneo:

so quicktime won't play those?

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sphery:

(maybe xine)

[18:21:05]

zntneo:

the reason i ask is i'm trying to play it with default player on os x

[18:21:07]

sphery:

I'm guessing QuickTime won't ever support the container format.

[18:21:17]

sphery:

THough you could write to Apple and ask them to add support.

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sphery:

Might also want to try VLC.

[18:22:00]

sphery:

(Don't know which media players work on OS X).

[18:22:09]

mrdigital:

does Myth work on the Avermedia M150 Card?

[18:22:20]

zntneo:

vlc works great. I'd like to use like idvd or imovie with them

[18:22:39]

sphery:

mrdigital: Is that the one like the Hauppauge PVR-250?

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mrdigital:

yes

[18:22:53]

mrdigital:

looks identical to the hauppauge

[18:22:59]

sphery:

mrdigital: If so, ivtv has some support for it, but you're probably better off with the PVR-150.

[18:23:09]

mrdigital:

holdon

[18:23:20]

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[18:23:25]

sphery:

Bad storm.

[18:23:36]

sphery:

very loud scary thunder.

[18:24:00]

zntneo:

sphery is there anyway i could like reencode it to a different format that like quicktime on os x and/or windows media player would play it?

[18:24:12]

sphery:

zntneo: nuvexport

[18:24:26]

zntneo:

will mythweb still read that?

[18:24:32]

zntneo:

i mean after the rencoding

[18:24:42]

sphery:

http://www.forevermore.net/mythtv/

[18:25:26]

sphery:

Myth's internal player works best with MPEG-2 (recorded by Myth) or NuppelVideo (using MPEG-4 or RTJPEG)

[18:25:34]

sphery:

It has some support for other formats.

[18:25:54]

sphery:

But, I'd recommend recording and saving the original for Myth and transcoding those you plan to watch on Mac.

[18:26:00]

zntneo:

for me i'm using mythtv mostly with mythweb

[18:26:01]

sphery:

Or get the Mac OS frontend.

[18:26:11]

sphery:

Then use mythfrontend on the Mac to watch.

[18:26:28]

zntneo:

ahh ok

[18:26:42]

sphery:

Then, you can transcode the files, move them from recordings (MythTV) to videos (MythVideo)...

[18:27:09]

sphery:

Don't know the current status of the Mac OS frontend.

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[18:27:18]

sphery:

Could probably find more detail on the list archives.

[18:27:35]

zntneo:

well i first have to get my firewall on my myth box to be able to use it

[18:29:47]

zntneo:

hmm i use mythdora as my os and it says that the ports open

[18:29:51]

zntneo:

but i can't connect for some reason

[18:30:27]

sphery:

I can't help with anything MythDora specific.

[18:30:45]

sphery:

But, make sure your mysql.txt and mythtv-setup settings are correct

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sphery:

(and note that having multiple mysql.txt files can mean you're not using the one you think you're using).

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zntneo:

oh yea another question i want 2 backends with 1 beign a backend/frontend but i'm not sure what hardware i should get

[18:32:34]

zntneo:

have any suggestions?

[18:32:48]

zntneo:

i'm using mythtv exculsively for recordings

[18:36:16]

sphery:

zntneo: standard def or high-def?

[18:36:23]

zntneo:

standard

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zntneo:

oh i forgot

[18:37:01]

zntneo:

i want to be able to record 5 differnt things at the same time, if that is possible

[18:37:26]

sphery:

I set up a system for a friend that uses an Athlon XP 2000+ with 512MB RAM and has 4 PVR-150 capture cards and is a combined frontend/backend that he's used to record 4 things while playing back a recording.

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sphery:

For 5 you're likely to need 2 computers just to have enough slots/heat dissipation, but if you use a hardware encoder, it doesn't take much of a computer.

[18:38:22]

zntneo:

yea i'm using multiple pvr-500s

[18:39:04]

zntneo:

would it be a good idea to have like the backend only one be the master?

[18:39:14]

zntneo:

and the backend/frontend be the slave backend?

[18:39:21]

sphery:

Not a bad idea.

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[18:39:39]

sphery:

If you have the MySQL DB on the master backend, it would help.

[18:39:53]

zntneo:

i geuss the next question would be how can i separate the "jobs" that the 2 do

[18:40:05]

sphery:

user jobs?

[18:40:09]

sphery:

flagging jobs?

[18:40:12]

zntneo:

no like what work each one does

[18:40:25]

sphery:

what recordings?

[18:40:46]

zntneo:

like their "respondiblites" within the backend infrustucture.

[18:40:49]

zntneo:

sorry if i'm being to vague

[18:41:16]

sphery:

Myth takes care of making sure only the master does master type stuff and the slaves are basically just used for additional captures and potentially for running jobs (like transcoding/flagging/user jobs).

[18:41:30]

sphery:

You can enable/disable jobs on a per-host basis.

[18:41:37]

sphery:

Or you can allow jobs on both.

[18:41:39]

zntneo:

is that in the backend setup?

[18:41:42]

sphery:

Yep.

[18:42:04]

sphery:

http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html

[18:42:15]

sphery:

Sections on master backend and slave backend configuration.

[18:42:30]

zntneo:

another question, do you know much about mythweather?

[18:42:34]

sphery:

you should really read through the whole HOWTO.

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sphery:

Only that mythweather is currently broken (due to MS no longer supporting the way we used to get weather data)

[18:43:05]

sphery:

So you often get garbage.

[18:43:12]

zntneo:

ahh thats why i'm getting garbage

[18:43:36]

sphery:

The new mythweather in development will use a user-specified script, so we'll no longer need a single script for the entire world.

[18:43:49]

sphery:

The US stuff is working, but it can't be used with a release (or -fixes) version of MythTV.

[18:44:09]

sphery:

So, basically, get your weather using FireFox or something until 0.21 is released. :)

[18:44:12]

zntneo:

so since i'm in the US should it be working or am i misunderstanding you wrong

[18:45:05]

sphery:

Nope. The new mythweather would work if you were running the bleeding-edge development branch of Myth. Since you will want to run 0.20-fixes (and you will want to), you'll have to wait for 0.21.

[18:45:16]

olds:

I like trunk

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zntneo:

i see

[18:45:38]

sphery:

olds: trunk is good if you're willing to invest the time required to keep up with the -dev and -commits lists...

[18:45:46]

olds:

true

[18:45:50]

sphery:

But, if someone just wants a PVR, they should use 0.20-fixes.

[18:46:00]

sphery:

I want a PVR to hack on, so I run trunk.

[18:46:20]

zntneo:

yea mine is just going to be used for recordign nothing else really

[18:46:23]

zntneo:

so have no need for that

[18:46:50]

sphery:

Yeah. I "waste" a /lot/ of time learning about/keeping up with Myth.

[18:46:53]

zntneo:

i think most of my user experience will be through mythweb and not the regular frontend

[18:47:15]

zntneo:

i don't suppose i could have the front in closed and have mythweb still running?

[18:47:27]

sphery:

Yep. That works fine.

[18:47:37]

sphery:

I have 2 dedicated backends and one dedicated frontend.

[18:47:39]

zntneo:

just close it and mythweb will still work/

[18:47:51]

sphery:

I shut down my frontend when I travel and I stil use MythWeb.

[18:48:00]

zntneo:

hmm good to know

[18:48:03]

sphery:

just don't run mythfrontend anywhere.

[18:48:21]

sphery:

However, the user experience is /much/ better through mythfrontend...

[18:48:26]

zntneo:

my myth box is basically going to sit in a dark room somewhere and just work

[18:48:32]

olds:

I use the dvb-s cards

[18:48:48]

sphery:

No slams to MythWeb, just that web-based development can only go so far.

[18:48:57]

zntneo:

yea i know

[18:49:17]

zntneo:

my coworker who is a apple fan boy. Thinks the frontend sucks

[18:49:33]

zntneo:

but blames that on the fact that "its made by programmers"

[18:49:41]

sphery:

zntneo: I have my Myth boxes in a dark room (no lights in the room for real :), and drilled a hole through the wall for speaker/video output.

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sphery:

Yeah. Unfortunately programmers tend to like functional rather than "fruity" UI's. :)

[18:50:38]

zntneo:

and my coworker likes fuity uis

[18:50:52]

zntneo:

wants "inutive" vs "functional"

[18:50:57]

sphery:

Apple seems to be falling into the "if you put a good UI on garbage, people will love it" trap. Ref the iPhone.

[18:51:11]

zntneo:

oh man he loves the iphone

[18:51:26]

zntneo:

stood in line for the damn thing

[18:51:35]

olds:

I like the frontend

[18:51:41]

zntneo:

hey i do too

[18:51:41]

olds:

just choose the right theme

[18:51:42]

sphery:

Yeah. Why should someone have to learn how to use something to get maximum benefit....

[18:51:48]

olds:

and the right osd

[18:51:50]

sphery:

IMHO, if it's not worth learning, it's not worth anything.

[18:51:58]

zntneo:

indeed

[18:52:11]

zntneo:

to get the most out of anything you will have to learn something

[18:52:25]

sphery:

Yep.

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sphery:

Otherwise, you should just get a TiVo. Cut-down functionality that's intuitive, because advanced functionality would require learning and there are people who don't want to learn.

[18:53:06]

zntneo:

man i wish i had someone else like you where i work

[18:53:24]

sphery:

(After all, it's just TV. But, some of us, on the other hand, take our TV seriously. :)

[18:53:44]

zntneo:

my boss mostly agrees with the coworker and so do most others.

[18:54:44]

zntneo:

is there a reason why my extension is nuv instead of mpg?

[18:55:12]

sphery:

Yeah. The "other side" tends to get the most agreement. Then people start to think that the BSOD is just a normal part of computing and that a program crashing and causing hours of lost work is just the price of business... :)

[18:55:46]

zntneo:

yea whereas types like me and you, just work away hardly ever having to worry about any of that crap

[18:56:00]

zntneo:

but by damn't we had to learn something

[18:56:01]

sphery:

zntneo: If you're using a software encoder (that grabs frames and lets the CPU encode them), it will encode to NuppelVideo container format (with either MPEG-4 or RTJPEG inside).

[18:56:16]

zntneo:

this is pure hardware

[18:56:19]

zntneo:

at least it should be

[18:56:21]

sphery:

Or, if you transcode, it will transcode to NUV container format (with RTJPEG or MPEG-4).

[18:56:36]

sphery:

What capture card? PVR-500?

[18:56:39]

zntneo:

yup

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sphery:

If so, it's a hardware encoder.

[18:57:02]

zntneo:

so is it the transcoding thats doing this?

[18:57:06]

sphery:

Yep.

[18:57:21]

zntneo:

also on some of my older ones instead of mpeg 4 or 2 it shows up as a mpeg-1 file type

[18:57:23]

sphery:

There's a new "lossless" transcoding option that will keep the files in MPEG-2 format.

[18:57:45]

sphery:

It's only useful for cutting commercials (i.e. it can't change resolution or bitrate--just cuts out sections of the recording).

[18:58:02]

zntneo:

yea i want to do that

[18:58:13]

zntneo:

thats what that user job is suppose to do

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sphery:

It should be available in your transcoding profile by checking a box "Lossless transcoding"

[18:59:08]

sphery:

But you can't change bitrate/resolution that way.

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zntneo:

so the lossless does what again? i'm unsure

[19:00:50]

sphery:

Just cuts sections without actually transcoding to a different format/resolution/bitrate.

[19:01:09]

sphery:

basically, it's "scissors" for recordings.

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sphery:

but it goes MPEG-2 to MPEG-2.

[19:01:25]

sphery:

(and it only works for MPEG-2, BTW)

[19:02:02]

zntneo:

i geuss i think i want to convert alll things to a media player "standard" format. but i am unsure if mythweb will read that

[19:02:14]

zntneo:

or if its even possible

[19:02:40]

sphery:

Best place for other formats is MythVideo.

[19:02:55]

sphery:

But it requires the videos (and frontend) to be on the MythWeb box.

[19:03:10]

zntneo:

so mythweb won't read them

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sphery:

You don't have to run the frontend on that box, just have to use it to configure MythVideo.

[19:03:21]

sphery:

Then MythWeb can serve the videos from there.

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zntneo:

oh oh i see

[19:03:51]

sphery:

gbee: Guess he didn't see all your changes. :)

[19:03:53]

zntneo:

do you have mythvideo docs? i am unsure where they are

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sphery:

The wiki's the best place to find info on MythVideo.

[19:05:06]

zntneo:

so what format would be best to reencode as?

[19:05:26]

gbee:

sphery: heh, obviously missed the 3000+ commits since 0.20

[19:05:30]

sphery:

Depends on what your Quicktime likes.

[19:05:52]

sphery:

Yeah. Like Anduin said, many only look at the release pages.

[19:06:37]

sphery:

Of course Anduin posts his patch seconds after I finish compiling an updated version of Myth...

[19:07:02]

Anduin:

sphery: Sorry, I had to sleep on it before posting

[19:07:06]

sphery:

I'll finish as is, then see if I can reproduce the problem, then verify it's fixed by the patch. :)

[19:07:14]

sphery:

Still have to do plugins and themes.

[19:07:34]

sphery:

Wasn't really complaining... Just thinking my timing was a bit off.

[19:10:01]

zntneo:

sphery: can i convert to mpeg4?

[19:10:21]

sphery:

the built-in transcode can use MPEG-4, but it's in the NUV container.

[19:10:26]

juski:

quicktime is only a container anyway. a very lame container

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sphery:

nuvexport can do MPEG-4 in a MPEG container.

[19:10:39]

gbee:

the 0.21 change list in the wiki needs updating, any volunteers?

[19:10:49]

sphery:

juski: perhaps I should have said, QuickTime player...

[19:10:57]

juski:

bleh

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zntneo:

how do i do that?

[19:11:08]

juski:

gbee: I did a couple of lines a way back

[19:11:43]

sphery:

zntneo: How do you do nuvexport? http://www.forevermore.net/mythtv/

[19:11:50]

juski:

that makes me sound like a sniffer of white powdery

[19:11:57]

sphery:

lol

[19:12:00]

zntneo:

like how can you make the files mpeg4

[19:12:11]

zntneo:

not in a nuv container

[19:12:14]

sphery:

use nuvexport and see the wiki entry

[19:12:16]

juski:

zntneo: transcode them! use nuvexport!

[19:12:25]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nuvexport

[19:12:35]

juski:

or myth2ipod :-\

[19:12:44]

zntneo:

i'm looking and i don't see mpeg4

[19:12:49]

zntneo:

i'm probably blind

[19:12:53]

sphery:

juski: which uses nuvexport, right?

[19:13:00]

juski:

sphery: no idea.

[19:13:55]

sphery:

zntneo: install nuvexport and use --help, then search the wiki and the list archives ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ )

[19:13:57]

juski:

why use mpeg4 anyway?

[19:14:01]

sphery:

I've never done it.

[19:14:15]

zntneo:

juski , so that media players onother systems can read it

[19:14:17]

juski:

if you're not exporting for other devices just get a bigger HDD & help save the planet

[19:14:28]

zntneo:

like quicktime and/or windows media player

[19:14:49]

juski:

zntneo: you know there's a thing called dsmyth right?

[19:14:57]

zntneo:

no

[19:15:07]

juski:

oo there's another top reason not to use a lamegrabber tuner card!

[19:15:28]

juski:

just about everything (except WMP) plays mpeg2 out of the box :)

[19:15:32]

sphery:

He's been transcoding but uses a PVR-500.

[19:15:37]

sphery:

You could just not transcode, though.

[19:15:43]

juski:

yeah, or that

[19:15:45]

sphery:

Then it will work in QT and in WMP

[19:16:06]

sphery:

IMHO, a hard drive is a lot cheaper than the time you'd spend getting it all working.

[19:16:10]

zntneo:

well i'm also going to be recording a crap ton so i want to save as much space

[19:16:26]

juski:

just get a bigger hdd ya wuss ;)

[19:16:28]

fryfrog:

i concur with sphery :)

[19:16:29]

zntneo:

and im a college student in the summer, i have time but not the money

[19:16:39]

fryfrog:

and i'm recording 10G/hr not 1G/hr :)

[19:16:43]

** sphery has 3TB **

[19:16:49]

zntneo:

bastard

[19:17:00]

juski:

I don't even have 1TB, but I tend to watch & delete

[19:17:05]

sphery:

Just have to be serious about your TV.

[19:17:07]

juski:

or just let stuff expire

[19:17:13]

zntneo:

oh that reminds me does myth delete files autmoatically after x amount of time

[19:17:21]

sphery:

I watch and delete, too, but I don't like for stuff to autoexpire

[19:17:24]

juski:

I'm serious – just don't reckon there's much worth keepign

[19:17:34]

juski:

zntneo: yeah. see the wiki about autoexpire

[19:17:52]

juski:

all hail the 'good book'.

[19:18:03]

juski:

everybody should read it sometime, lest they burn in hell

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zntneo:

oh i've been reading it a ton, i just misunderstand it

[19:19:54]

paranoid_:

better than burning in hull

[19:20:18]

juski:

paranoid_: anything's better than even *being* in hull

[19:20:34]

juski:

I went to hull once. couldn't get me outta there quick enough

[19:21:13]

juski:

zntneo: you're welcome to ask questions about stuff you read in the docs you know. you'll get extra credit for actually having said you read something!

[19:21:40]

zntneo:

i read about auto expire but i didn't quite understand if it deletes or just kinda marks it

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juski:

infact – it'll prolly even be a first!

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juski:

zntneo: if your recording options are set so that a new recording is allowed to expire, then when mythtv needs to make room, it'll choose the oldest recording that has its 'allow expire' flag set – and delete it

[19:22:44]

zntneo:

i see

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paranoid_:

juski: I've never actually been to hull to be totally honest

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sphery:

zntneo: You mark it for autoexpiration, when Myth needs space, it deletes a file marked as autoexpirable according to the "Auto Expire Method" you've specified.

[19:23:14]

paranoid_:

I have however been to Glasgow

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gbee:

not as complicated as it sounds

[19:23:34]

sphery:

Where method can be oldest, lowest priority, or weighted time/priority

[19:23:41]

juski:

wikimonkeys to the rescue! write it all up :)

[19:23:50]

sphery:

Definitely

[19:24:21]

tts:

hi can anyone help. i upgraded my backend to feisty (i don't know why). now my dvb-t card wont work.i googled and found a solution" modprobe cx88_dvb". but now it has stopped working even when i run the command,

[19:24:24]

** juski reminisces about 'wiki week'. we had a lot more additions to the feature requests pages that week **

[19:24:56]

tts:

also please let me know what log you need

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juski:

tts: whether your tuner works in linux or not has FA to do with mythtv

[19:25:39]

juski:

and you say you don't know why you upgraded to feisty – that's not generally the sort of thing that can happen by accident

[19:29:10]

jedix:

tts: try #linuxtv or something

[19:29:43]

juski:

tts: first of all, see if you have the dvb device tree in /dev

[19:29:59]

juski:

then stop mythtv-backend & see if the tuner actually works with an app like kaffeine

[19:30:49]

juski:

once you know the card works in *linux* again you can start playing getting it worky in mythtv :)

[19:30:53]

juski:

then & only then

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jedix:

I blame shuttleworth.

[19:32:07]

juski:

oh and it's probably a good idea to run mythtv-setup again & verify all your settings are what they should be too. you'd be very lucky to get away with doing a distro upgrade in-place without seriously borking everything

[19:32:27]

willcooke:

tts, modprobe dvb_core

[19:32:41]

juski:

jedix: being able to app-get dist-upgrade is the worst idea in the world, ever

[19:32:48]

jedix:

crying also helps.

[19:32:51]

willcooke:

juski, Ahem to that!

[19:32:51]

olds:

apt

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olds:

not app

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willcooke:

amen ever

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Hugolp:

tts: there are a lot of problems with that driver in the newer kernels, is not only fesity, but they say its being looked at

[19:33:03]

jedix:

juski: but I can't blame that on shuttleworth, as it was in debian before ubuntu

[19:33:21]

juski:

jedix: they shoulda removed it in the fork then

[19:33:24]

Hugolp:

21:32:37) juski: jedix: being able to app-get dist-upgrade is the worst idea in the world, ever <- for once I agree with you

[19:33:25]

willcooke:

The cx88 and general dvb stuff is supposed to be fixed in the new kernel

[19:34:01]

tts:

:/dev/dvb$ ls

[19:34:01]

tts:

adapter0 adapter1

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juski:

Hugolp: TSWGAS

[19:34:17]

tts:

okk so i will have to wait ?

[19:34:34]

juski:

tts: or see if apt-get dist downgrade works :-P

[19:34:54]

willcooke:

tts, It does work in Feisty, I'm running it, you just have to modprobe a few extra modules:

[19:35:19]

willcooke:

dvb_core

[19:35:19]

willcooke:

dvb-bt8xx

[19:35:19]

willcooke:

cx88_dvb

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juski:

willcooke: so what's borked then? automagically loading dependant modules?

[19:36:12]

Hugolp:

juski: TSWGAS? what the fuck is that'

[19:36:13]

Hugolp:

?

[19:36:18]

willcooke:

juski, Yeah, I think so. udev or whatever the new one is called. My guess is that the pci addresses got missed out, or corrupt or something, so it doesnt know it needs to load the extra mods

[19:36:20]

sphery:

juski: yeah, but it's fixed in 2.6.21

[19:36:30]

juski:

I've only ever upgraded ubuntu on a myth box twice. first time it worked absolutely no trouble at all. 2nd time it broke it so badly I had to reinstall from fresh

[19:36:33]

fryfrog:

when i did edgy -> feisty, of course every single "first" system I did went fine, the server was the only one that didn't go so hot.

[19:36:43]

juski:

Hugolp: tell somebody who gives a ..

[19:36:43]

fryfrog:

but i helped em track down a bug right before release :)

[19:36:56]

** willcooke got bitten once using dist-upgrade, never again. **

[19:37:04]

tts:

after i have mrpobed i get http://pastebin.ca/626623

[19:37:15]

willcooke:

BUT, I know one person who swears by it.

[19:37:18]

tts:

modprobe*

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sphery:

Who is Mr Pobed, anyway?

[19:37:28]

fryfrog:

I <3 dist-upgrade

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willcooke:

tts, that X error is nothing to worry about

[19:37:53]

willcooke:

the other errors, dunno

[19:37:53]

fryfrog:

I *did* upgrade to feisty about 1–2 weeks before it came out, so if I'd been patient i'd have been happier i'm sure

[19:37:59]

tts:

yeh i get that whe i ssh too ... very annoying

[19:38:30]

willcooke:

tts, can you pastebin "tail /var/log/syslog"

[19:38:31]

juski:

Pobed Programme? ;)

[19:39:05]

willcooke:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pob%27s_Programme

[19:39:11]

tts:

things stoped working when i tryed to get the system to load the stuf at boot.

[19:39:17]

juski:

http://www.classickidstv.co.uk/wiki/Image:Pob_logo.jpg

[19:39:25]

willcooke:

:)

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juski:

tts: when you put stuff in /etc/modules you mean ?

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tts:

yeh.

[19:39:59]

tts:

should just remove it ?

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juski:

modules have to be loaded in the right order when things are borked like that

[19:40:05]

willcooke:

what "things"?

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tts:

tv stuff

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juski:

tts: you mean they didn't work before, and putting modules in /etc/modules/ made it no better ?

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tts:

it worked before .

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juski:

or rather – they worked til you upgraded, then broke, and putting lines in /etc/modules didn't help

[19:42:04]

juski:

I mean if it worked after you upgraded & you broke it by putting stuff in /etc/modules.. WHY did you do that then? ;)

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tts:

yes thats what i mean

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juski:

like willcooke says you're maybe just missing extra modules

[19:43:03]

tts:

no thats not what i mean

[19:43:16]

tts:

i didnt work after the upgrade

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tts:

but when i run mrpobed it worked

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tts:

then i placed the stuff at /etc/modules it stoped working

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juski:

right. so you did sudo modprobe cx88_dvb manually after the upgrade & the tuner works

[19:44:09]

tts:

yes

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tts:

first sudo modprobe dvb core ....some thing like that

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juski:

you need to reboot, then tail /var/log/syslog & plop that into a pastebin

[19:45:03]

juski:

or just run dmesg after a reboot & pop that into a pastebin

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tts:

im going to reboot ....

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tts:

i pasted this before i came on irc here http://pastebin.com/

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tts:

hope it helps

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juski:

rofl

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juski:

that's just the pastebin site address :)

[19:46:21]

tts:

i also got some new hard drives :)

[19:46:40]

tts:

sry http://pastebin.com/m487cc057

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juski:

that looks like it's working to be

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juski:

*me

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willcooke:

Looks like he's got an M352 front end, not a cx88, so he'll be needing to modprobe mt352 instead of cx88 dvb (or whatever it's called)

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juski:

aye

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juski:

sounds like fisty felcher is kinda bwoked with dvb devices then

[19:48:56]

willcooke:

yup – but it does work once you modprobe

[19:49:04]

willcooke:

"I'm living proof"

[19:49:10]

juski:

AFAIK though it's never autoloaded modules

[19:49:16]

jedix:

yeah, my myth box is fisty

[19:49:29]

juski:

although I came from gentoo, so just assumed you had to do *everything* yourself

[19:49:38]

willcooke:

udev (or whatever) is supposed to do it for you from the PCI ID's

[19:49:44]

jedix:

no

[19:49:50]

juski:

bwahahahahaha

[19:49:54]

jedix:

gentoo isn't everything your self

[19:50:04]

willcooke:

mmmm, slackware

[19:50:07]

jedix:

not as much as lfs or slack

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** willcooke used to love slackware, long ago when I gave a f**k **

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juski:

gentoo stopped being fun when they stopped doing stage1

[19:50:36]

willcooke:

no I can't be bothered!

[19:50:44]

willcooke:

no=now

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juski:

yeah life's way too short

[19:50:58]

willcooke:

:)

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jedix:

I still hate rhel and sles

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juski:

there's better things to be doing. like watching telly, boozing or having sex n fings

[19:51:21]

willcooke:

tts, please post a dmesg

[19:51:43]

juski:

oo I found my old Tv themes albums. wickedness

[19:51:44]

tts:

not a syslog ?

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willcooke:

juski, Didn't you say you were married?

[19:52:07]

willcooke:

In my experience married!=sex

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psymin:

Silly question here. Looks like MythVideo uses mplayer, so if I'm running on a 64bit system .. if I can get mplayer to work with a 32bit binary codec then MythVideo should too?

[19:52:11]

juski:

willcooke: yeah, but our marriage is apparently the wrong way round

[19:52:12]

willcooke:

tts, whateverf

[19:52:19]

willcooke:

juski, oooerr!

[19:52:25]

tts:

ok i will post 1 sec

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juski:

willcooke: she's gone down 2 dress sizes & er.. well./. ahem,

[19:52:42]

willcooke:

BOING!

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juski:

:D

[19:52:55]

juski:

and yet I'm still a grumpy old bugger. go figure

[19:53:06]

** psymin wonders if sizes ever go negative. **

[19:53:16]

tts:

http://pastebin.com/m65da73c3+-

[19:53:19]

tts:

oops

[19:53:23]

juski:

"who is this super hero?"

[19:53:23]

tts:

http://pastebin.com/m65da73c3

[19:53:56]

willcooke:

tts, sorry I should have said, can you post all of it

[19:54:04]

tts:

i did

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fryfrog:

psymin: myth is just *starting* up mplayer, so i'd imagine it'd work

[19:54:19]

willcooke:

~$ tail /var/log/dmesg

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fryfrog:

you could also use the internal player or xine if you like

[19:54:24]

willcooke:

is what you sent

[19:54:54]

tts:

you wanted ?

[19:54:58]

willcooke:

The internal has come on a long way since I last updated

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psymin:

cool, I won't shy away from the 64bit install then :)

[19:55:10]

willcooke:

tts, cat /var/log/syslog

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fryfrog:

i think I use the internal mostly myself

[19:55:15]

willcooke:

tts, or just dmesg

[19:55:24]

fryfrog:

psymin: if you haven't already installed 64bit, i'd skip it

[19:55:32]

** willcooke agrees **

[19:55:33]

psymin:

fryfrog, really?

[19:55:39]

juski:

I think now that music downloads (legal ones anyway) count as real sales in the chart, everybody should download the Magnum P.I. theme & get it to No. 1 to knock that DAMN 'mumble-grumberella, used to be a fella' song out

[19:55:42]

fryfrog:

yeah, no point really and it just complicates things

[19:55:51]

willcooke:

juski, lol

[19:55:55]

psymin:

fryfrog, wouldn't it improve encoding speeds?

[19:56:59]

fryfrog:

not really

[19:57:15]

juski:

anyway mythvideo only uses mplayer if you let it

[19:57:19]

immolo:

I've been running 64bit for around 3–4years with no issues

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fryfrog:

I used to run a mixed 64bit and 32bit gentoo environment and it was just a bit of a pain in the ass

[19:57:27]

immolo:

and its faster

[19:57:38]

fryfrog:

64bit doesn't make things faster

[19:57:45]

fryfrog:

64bit allows more memory to be accessed

[19:57:50]

immolo:

compiles are faster

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psymin:

fryfrog, Thats the same environment I'm planning on using (mixed solely for the 32bit binary codecs)

[19:57:54]

gbee:

yes it does

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fryfrog:

psymin: sorry, when i said "mixed" i meant I had a 32bit gentoo machine (FE) and a 64bit gentoo machine (BE/FE)

[19:58:27]

psymin:

Ahh

[19:58:28]

tts:

brace your brain , http://pastebin.com/m3d7233d4

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willcooke:

tts, ta

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psymin:

immolo, Do you use MythVideo, and if so did you have any issues with codecs?

[19:58:56]

fryfrog:

immolo, gbee: more than 2–5% faster? or is it still inside what i'd call a margin of error?

[19:59:27]

fryfrog:

or are you just reporting on a "subjective" feel of 64bit being faster?

[19:59:38]

immolo:

psymin- mplayer have made a way for codecs to run under 64bit

[19:59:48]

immolo:

I can even play crappy wmv :P

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gbee:

fryfrog: more than subjective, but I've never benchmarked it in any way – but I think we've had this argument before and I don't want to get into it again ;)

[20:00:43]

fryfrog:

some day i'll have to search the internets for someone who has done a real, in depth comparison :)

[20:00:47]

willcooke:

tts, ok doesn't look too bad. If you "lsmod | grep mt352" what do you get

[20:00:51]

sphery:

psymin: Some of the Windows CODEC's won't even work on a 32-bit Linux install... They require full Windows emulation--full WINE--(rather than the "basic" emulation brought from WINE into MPlayer).

[20:01:03]

immolo:

on the point of harder then 32bit maybe 2 years ago but nowadays everyone uses 64bit so its just as easy

[20:01:19]

sphery:

So, on that issue 64-bit or 32-bit doesn't matter.

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fryfrog:

anyway, i'm not saying there is anything wrong with 64bit... but you'd probably be just as happy with 32bit and *potentially* have less headaches

[20:01:43]

fryfrog:

if it were me, i'd try 64bit and see how i liked it

[20:01:53]

fryfrog:

if it was a pita, you can always start over and throw on some 32bit

[20:02:12]

gbee:

the internal player in SVN (ffmpeg) has support for just about every file I've thrown at it

[20:02:23]

fryfrog:

even though i had a 64bit/32bit pair of systems, i didn't *switch* away from it due to 64bit at all

[20:02:34]

tts:

http://pastebin.com/m732c354b willcooke

[20:02:41]

fryfrog:

I was just ready to stop using Gentoo, and I figured it'd be easier to manage my new Ubuntu boxes if they were all the same

[20:03:15]

willcooke:

tts, ok that's loaded then and appears to be working. How many dvb cards have you got?

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tts:

2

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gbee:

not that I have a large collection of videos, but all the common codecs seem to be covered and being native it works just fine under a 64bit environment

[20:03:40]

willcooke:

ts, thats what I thougt

[20:03:42]

willcooke:

tts

[20:03:48]

tts:

yessssssssssssssSSS?

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juski:

wooohahahahaha. mad mashup of magnum PI & some acapellas coming up

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willcooke:

tts, ls /dev/dvb

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tts:

http://pastebin.com/m6acf82b0

[20:05:18]

willcooke:

tts, hmm – ok. What's inside each of those?

[20:06:18]

tts:

http://pastebin.com/m1365f6b

[20:06:44]

willcooke:

tts, well looks like adapter 0 is ok

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tts:

the other 1

[20:07:22]

tts:

http://pastebin.com/m5835eefa

[20:07:29]

tts:

same thing

[20:07:31]

willcooke:

tts, hmmm.

[20:07:50]

tts:

hmmmm

[20:08:02]

willcooke:

tts, they are blue coloured right? like a normal directory? (assuming you've got console colours on)

[20:08:14]

tts:

should i remove the stuff at /etc/modules

[20:08:14]

sphery:

psymin: This is the one I was thinking of: http://www.itdp.de/mplayer-dev-eng/2005-09/msg00856.html

[20:08:28]

willcooke:

tts, I don't think it would make any difference

[20:08:35]

tts:

yellow

[20:08:40]

tts:

they are yellow

[20:08:42]

willcooke:

tts, ahahhhh!

[20:08:53]

tts:

ahhhhhh?

[20:08:55]

willcooke:

tts, a module is missing then!

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willcooke:

tts, question is, which one!

[20:10:03]

willcooke:

tts, as I understand it loading modules (drivers) for hardware you don't have won't break anything, so you should be able to load each and every dvb driver from /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/frontends

[20:10:10]

willcooke:

tts, with out breaking anything.

[20:10:13]

willcooke:

tts, but...

[20:10:26]

willcooke:

tts, that's not the best way.

[20:10:29]

** willcooke thinks **

[20:10:49]

willcooke:

cd ..

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willcooke:

ooops

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tts:

please wait 1 sec

[20:11:18]

willcooke:

tts, these are all pci? not usb?

[20:11:29]

tts:

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/6775/untitledkj9.png

[20:11:37]

tts:

all pci willcooke

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willcooke:

tts, yup. The yellow means that the drivers aren't loaded. They should be blue

[20:12:32]

willcooke:

tts, what are the names of your cards?

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psymin:

dang DSL .. Did I miss any interesting tidbits regarding 64bit?

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willcooke:

tts, in one terminal window do "tail -f /var/log/syslog"

[20:14:44]

** juski laughs. the 'snooker' theme actually sounds pretty good at 135 BPM **

[20:14:55]

willcooke:

tts, that will monitor the log and you'll see good stuff appear when you hit the correct modules

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willcooke:

juski, :-O

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tts:

i had a lock up, tail -f /var/log/syslog http://pastebin.com/m5c4a936e

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willcooke:

tts, just leave that tail -f running and start loading the modules one by one from /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/media/dvb

[20:23:44]

willcooke:

tts, lockup isn't good news btw!

[20:24:30]

willcooke:

tts, substitute 2.6.20–16 for your kernel version (found by doing "uname -a")

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tts:

had another 1

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tts:

it was due to poor cooling:(

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tts:

help!

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willcooke:

tts, ok – you might have missed what I said, so.

[20:38:29]

tts:

about pc locking up ?

[20:38:36]

willcooke:

In one terminal do "tail -f /var/log/syslog" and leave it running so you can see what's going on. That will let you see when something happens.

[20:38:49]

willcooke:

In another terminal modprobe all the modules from:

[20:39:02]

willcooke:

/lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/media/dvb

[20:39:25]

willcooke:

where "2.6.20-16-generic" is your kernel version (found from doing a "uname -a")

[20:39:54]

willcooke:

Do them one at a time, and when you see something appear in the syslog you know you've got the right on.

[20:39:59]

willcooke:

Crude, but effective!

[20:40:32]

willcooke:

When you've narrowed down which modules you need to load stick them in /etc/modules and you should be sorted.

[20:40:47]

willcooke:

What are the names of your cards BTW – I might be able to find something

[20:41:00]

tts:

kworld dvb-t 100

[20:41:38]

tts:

in mythtv comes up as zarlink

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willcooke:

tts, I think this may be related: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2007-June/018367.html

[20:44:27]

willcooke:

tts, sounds like there is a bug in the driver so it isn't recognising your card.

[20:45:05]

willcooke:

tts, if you want to save yourself a lot of work either go back to edgy or wait for a kernel update to appear in feisty.

[20:45:57]

tts:

i have 16 updates available :)

[20:46:14]

tts:

fingers crossed

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willcooke:

tts what kernel version do you have?

[20:46:42]

willcooke:

tts "uname -a"

[20:47:07]

tts:

2.6.20-16-generic

[20:47:23]

Lunar_Lamp:

Hmm, is it possible to control the mythtv frontend over a ssh session; specifically the audio player component?

[20:47:30]

willcooke:

I think that's the most up to date in feisty

[20:47:42]

tts:

but why did it work before

[20:47:52]

willcooke:

before what?

[20:47:55]

tts:

it was on feisty

[20:48:23]

willcooke:

what happened to break it?

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tts:

i placed the "mobprobe cxx88....." in the /etc/modules. with a command thou

[20:50:17]

willcooke:

tts, ? Take it out then. :)

[20:50:29]

tts:

well i...

[20:51:05]

tts:

seems im not the only one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/108073

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willcooke:

tts, ok, I confused. It WAS working, then you added something to /etc/modules and then it stopped working?

[20:54:39]

tts:

exactly

[20:55:03]

willcooke:

tts, so does taking the stuff out of /etc/modules fix it?

[20:55:03]

tts:

before it worked i had to sudo modprobe cx88_dvb

[20:55:20]

tts:

and sudo modprobe dvb_core

[20:55:25]

tts:

the it would work

[20:55:57]

willcooke:

tts, Oh, that's odd. So you just put those two modules in to /etc/modules in order to save you modprobe'ing them and that broke it??

[20:56:11]

willcooke:

tts, that should not be.

[20:56:29]

tts:

no i have this in modules

[20:56:31]

tts:

cx88_dvb

[20:56:50]

tts:

these two to be exact lp

[20:56:50]

tts:

cx88_dvb

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tts:

http://pastebin.com/mcef9254

[20:58:38]

willcooke:

oh right.. ok, above cx88_dvb add:

[20:58:39]

tts:

whats the lp

[20:58:41]

willcooke:

dvb_core

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tts:

you shure i was going to remove it all

[20:58:58]

willcooke:

tts, something important! I dunno, but I've got it to. Best to leave it alone

[20:59:28]

tts:

?

[20:59:36]

willcooke:

tts, have you still got the "tail -f /var/log" open?

[20:59:41]

tts:

yes

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willcooke:

then "sudo modprobe dvb_core" and see what happens

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tts:

nothning

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willcooke:

oh.

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tts:

:(

[21:01:24]

willcooke:

maybe it's already loaded? pastebin your "lsmod"

[21:01:24]

tts:

can i show you some thing?

[21:01:41]

willcooke:

?

[21:02:13]

tts:

http://pastebin.com/m32917aaa

[21:02:50]

tts:

lsmod http://pastebin.com/m429b94eb

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tts:

drm ?

[21:04:51]

tts:

drm 81044 3 radeon

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willcooke:

not the drm you think it is

[21:05:15]

willcooke:

is something like "direct render manager"

[21:05:15]

tts:

thank god

[21:05:36]

tts:

i see

[21:05:42]

willcooke:

try "sudo modprobe dvb_bt8xx" and watch the syslog

[21:06:49]

tts:

it loaded some stuff

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willcooke:

show me!

[21:07:07]

zntneo:

so i'm still torn should i try re-encoding all my recordings (there will be a shitton of them)

[21:07:35]

hads:

This is a family channel

[21:07:43]

zntneo:

sorry

[21:08:01]

paranoid_:

if it's any consolation, I smiled.

[21:08:03]

juski:

willcooke: www.juski.co.uk/music/tvmashup.mp3 – just for giggles mind

[21:08:09]

zntneo:

yay

[21:08:11]

tts:

http://pastebin.com/m5e8a19e

[21:08:14]

juski:

nice respite from theming

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** paranoid_ should really re-build his media center **

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willcooke:

juski, 404

[21:08:37]

paranoid_:

turns out I forgot to flip a jumper to enable composite output...

[21:08:39]

zntneo:

so anyone?

[21:08:48]

paranoid_:

ida thought that would have been a default on the board, but apparently not

[21:08:50]

juski:

hmm where did that go?

[21:08:51]

paranoid_:

</rant>

[21:09:17]

willcooke:

tts, hmm – doesn't look like that did anything important.

[21:09:17]

juski:

ahh not /music/ it's /new/

[21:09:34]

juski:

paranoid_: mini-itx ?

[21:09:42]

willcooke:

tts, ls /dev/dvb/adaptor<whatever> – where they were yellow, have they gone blue?

[21:09:44]

tts:

whats this /usr/lib/php4/m

[21:09:51]

tts:

its from tail -f

[21:09:55]

juski:

I found my epia m10k manual was wrong a while back. they've still not corrected it

[21:10:04]

paranoid_:

juski: yeah, mini-itx

[21:10:27]

paranoid_:

juski: there are a few other things needing done to it, like the fitting of a passive heatsink

[21:10:33]

juski:

1–2 for spdif and 2–3 for composite. whichever way round it is in the manual, it's wrong :)

[21:10:37]

tts:

still yellow

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paranoid_:

juski: it's just more undertaking than I've got the engergy for

[21:10:51]

willcooke:

juski, Yay!! \ o /

[21:10:55]

zntneo:

so what should i do? reencode all my videos so that quicktime/wmp can play them? or um something else/

[21:10:56]

juski:

paranoid_: bah. just do a little at a time :)

[21:11:04]

juski:

willcooke: got it all? I'll delete it if so

[21:11:05]

paranoid_:

juski: then things get lost ;)

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willcooke:

juski, streaming... hold on...

[21:11:22]

paranoid_:

juski: also it's the fact that practically the whole macine needs dismantled

[21:11:36]

juski:

paranoid_: well my frontend is diskless, so less to take apart

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paranoid_:

lol :) mine isn't

[21:11:58]

juski:

willcooke: remember it's just for fun :-P

[21:12:03]

willcooke:

juski, done!

[21:12:13]

juski:

if I could be arsed I'd bring it all bang in sync

[21:12:20]

paranoid_:

juski: I also had all sorts of bother with my capture card... but it seems to be working now

[21:12:24]

willcooke:

"Just remember, it's very useful having arms as long as mr tickles" ROTFL

[21:12:29]

willcooke:

tts, don't worry about that

[21:12:38]

paranoid_:

juski: it has probably been my most misunderestimated project to date :]

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willcooke:

tts, just comparing your lsmod to mine....

[21:13:05]

juski:

paranoid_: just be grateful you didn't start out with an athlon xp in a sff case!

[21:13:37]

paranoid_:

juski: mm, my first attempt was a machine that wasn't capable of running a slimline dvd drive on the same ide channel as the hard disk... and it only had one hard disk

[21:13:52]

tts:

im going to remove that stuff and reboot

[21:13:55]

paranoid_:

juski: then got a replacement board... which was defective...

[21:14:10]

juski:

I took the wussy way out & I've got a noisy fugly big backend upstairs :)

[21:14:10]

paranoid_:

got sent a replacement for that, and the heatsink got damaged in the post

[21:14:34]

tts:

brb

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paranoid_:

juski: ah, see, I don't have an upstairs :)

[21:15:18]

juski:

willcooke: I used to do stuff like that live in a club. those were mental times in my life

[21:15:50]

zntneo:

does anyone else do mass re-encodings for their mythtv box?

[21:15:53]

willcooke:

juski, Great days!

[21:16:17]

juski:

eeks. this must be the "OMG it's my birthday soon, let's reminisce" stage

[21:16:52]

willcooke:

tts, try "sudo modprobe bttv" and watch the syslog

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willcooke:

juski, 36 days to mine. eek

[21:18:24]

juski:

35 next week. what an old fart :-P

[21:19:39]

willcooke:

juski, It's not so bad! I'm catching you up!

[21:20:07]

juski:

I was planning on saying "mythtv.. makes your hair turn grey" in my demo at LRL but I forgot

[21:20:26]

willcooke:

It's certainly worked on me!

[21:20:28]

juski:

though on reflection it's maybe only hanging round here so much which does that

[21:20:35]

willcooke:

:))

[21:20:45]

willcooke:

Get thee to the boozer

[21:21:10]

juski:

muchos skintos, thanks to LRL

[21:21:12]

willcooke:

Do what I do, hang out in a pub where the average age is about 80. It makes you feel young again! :)

[21:21:19]

juski:

lol

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fysa:

I get my kicks by accidentally pasting 5000 SQL statements in a random IRC channel.

[21:23:25]

fysa:

want to see?

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tts:

:(

[21:24:47]

willcooke:

tts, whats up?

[21:25:13]

tts:

still no luck

[21:25:24]

tts:

what was the other modprobe

[21:25:52]

willcooke:

tts, try "sudo modprobe bttv" and watch the syslog

[21:26:22]

tts:

successsssssssssssss device 0:0 "Zarlink MT352 DVB-T"

[21:26:48]

willcooke:

score!

[21:27:10]

willcooke:

stick it in your /etc/modules

[21:27:14]

tts:

kafien now show digital tv

[21:27:20]

willcooke:

tts, is the yellow now blue?

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tts:

let me check 1 sec

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willcooke:

it should be

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tts:

no bro

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willcooke:

WTF – but it works?

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tts:

lets see if i can see tv

[21:29:13]

willcooke:

sounds like one of your cards is ok, but the other still b0rked

[21:29:58]

tts:

i see tv

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** willcooke listens to tvmashup AGAIN! **

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willcooke:

tts, jobs a good un

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willcooke:

tts, ?

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tts:

they are both yellow ;)

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willcooke:

ts, that should not be.

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willcooke:

tts, something is still b0rked, but, hey – what the hell, it works.

[21:31:18]

tts:

yeh , im not bothered about the colors honest

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willcooke:

tts, yellow = bad. But, never mind!

[21:32:12]

willcooke:

juski, for your b'day dig the decks out!

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tts:

the channel switching in caffeine is very impressive

[21:32:38]

tts:

any way thanks a bunch willcooke

[21:32:41]

willcooke:

tts, I've never tried it to be honest

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willcooke:

tts, no worries. Sorry it took so long!

[21:33:43]

tts:

off to bed .......work tomorrow

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willcooke:

juski, Old Skool rave

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willcooke:

tts, laters

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tts:

ta

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willcooke:

juski, You should email that to Chris Moyles BTW

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zntneo:

anyone know how i can configure mythweb to see things that myth video sees?

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willcooke:

zntneo, It should do. If you have the mythvideo plugin on the same box as the mythweb server

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zntneo:

hmm i do but i don't see it working

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willcooke:

zntneo, at least it used to

[21:40:08]

willcooke:

zntneo, I'll need to install mythvideo on my MBE, I'll try it tomorrow and report back

[21:40:12]

zntneo:

oh i found it

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willcooke:

:)

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** willcooke strikes again! **

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willcooke:

ok, bye bye

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willcooke:

http://www.peoplesrepublicofdis.co.uk/albums/ . . . d.sized.jpeg

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willcooke:

juski, http://www.whizzy.org/billgates.mp3

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Lunar_Lamp:

Hmm, is it possible to control the mythtv frontend over a ssh session; specifically the audio player component?

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cecil:

Lunar_Lamp: in terms of remote control, I'd recommend the webremote

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hads:

Lunar_Lamp: mythfrontend has a telnet control interface

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Lunar_Lamp:

cecil, thanks for pointing out I'm a complete retard – I forgot about that.

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cecil:

http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/?p=29

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cecil:

you're welcome

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Lunar_Lamp:

Though, actually, I can only see how to browse, not control via web interface.

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bb__:

question: im creating a gentoo dvr box running dvi to hdmi to my 52 inch tv. Is there precautions I need to read about before plugging it up? I don't want to ruin my tv

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cecil:

Lunar_Lamp: exactly what is it you are trying to accomplish?

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cecil:

the web remote will let you change the channel, volume, everything

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willcooke:

bb__, I would have thought that the tv would just reject a signal that was out of bounds, but you might want to read up on X modelines to make sure you output something sensible. I have no experience of this however, so don't take my word for it! :)

[22:00:19]

cecil:

bb__: today's set are better than sets of the past

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willcooke:

bb__, I would expect modern tv's to support edid

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Lunar_Lamp:

cecil, I have multiple computers on my desktop, one of which is running a myth frontend, which I don't want to run on my main box – I'd just like to be able to control that frontend from this box when playing music – e.g. skip to next track etc (whilst I'm trying to find the IR receiver for my remote)

[22:00:48]

cecil:

sounds like willcooke has you covered....

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Lunar_Lamp:

cecil, I think I was looking at the wonr thing though – webremote is separate from web interface normal I think

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bb__:

cool cool

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bb__:

thanks

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hads:

Lunar_Lamp: mythfrontend has a telnet control interface

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Lunar_Lamp:

hads, so I just telnet in on which port?

[22:05:42]

Lunar_Lamp:

(sorry, I can't remember which one)

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kormoc:

Lunar_Lamp, wiki.mythtv.org

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k-man:

hey guys

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k-man:

i have an mce remote

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k-man:

i have loaded the lirc mce module

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k-man:

and it found the remote

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k-man:

but lirc doesn't seem to see the remote

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k-man:

do i have to tell lirc which device to use somehow?

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Lunar_Lamp:

cecil, the remote doesn't work as when I try to load it, it says "an unknown module was specified"

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TUplink_:

my volume control in mythtv isnt working any ideas?

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TUplink_:

and when i go to live tv it changels the ALSA mixer...

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sphery:

OK. Killing Myth...

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sphery:

Oops. wrong channel.

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** kormoc cries out, 'Please, not myth, take me, but leave myth alive!' **

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cecil:

hmmmm blt was tasty!

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cecil:

Lunar_Lamp: so, you have MBE on cpu 1 and have a frontend on cpu 2 and would like to control frontend from cpu 3

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cecil:

is that accurate?

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Lunar_Lamp:

MBE and frontend are both on same cpu

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cecil:

ok

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Lunar_Lamp:

(but yes, the rest is correct)

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cecil:

it should, does the backend have telnet enabled?

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Lunar_Lamp:

I can telnet in, but it doesn't feel right

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cecil:

whaaa?

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Lunar_Lamp:

That was about as poorly phrased as I could have possibly managed.

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Lunar_Lamp:

I can telnet in, but I don't seem to have any of the commands available to me I should, e.g. jump

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cecil:

"Network Remote Control interface". See: Utilities/Setup -> Setup -> General -> Fourth Page

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Lunar_Lamp:

In the frontend setup? i set that to enabled, and then restarted the frontend

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Lunar_Lamp:

Hmm

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Lunar_Lamp:

works now :s

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cecil:

what is :s?

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Lunar_Lamp:

telnet

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Lunar_Lamp:

I can control via telnet now, but not via the webremote

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Lunar_Lamp:

...but mythtv just crashed :s

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vfrex:

how do you scan for channels behind a cablebox? does it run the channel change script you set?

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sphery:

kormoc: lol. I was trying to tell someone I was about to upgrade the system.

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Mr__Grieves:

I'm having troubles with lirc. irw reads the inputs just fine, I've got /home/mythtv/.lircrc set up, restarted the backend, restarted lircd, restarted teh frontend, restarted x....no go.

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Mr__Grieves:

I'm using SVN without the --disable-lirc config flag, do I need to be using irexec -d ?

[23:06:37]

Mr__Grieves:

er, irxevent &

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Mr__Grieves:

doesn't work anyway :(

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hads:

Lunar_Lamp: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/1860

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Lunar_Lamp:

?

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Mr__Grieves:

nvm, fixed it :) the sample config maps up, down, left, right to a s w d , not up down left right, which is neccessary for the menus :)

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vfrex:

lol

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Mr__Grieves:

I thought I was going insane, but it looks like I'll need more evidence :)

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jedix:

2007-07–19 18:32:31.887 Program #805 not found in PAT!

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jedix:

arg.

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jedix:

I hate you PAT

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jedix:

I hate you so very much

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my2keh:

haha

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my2keh:

I get that once in a while

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jedix:

I get it all the time on 50% of the channels

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my2keh:

when I had that issue

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my2keh:

it was because of signal strength/quality issues

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jedix:

my set-top box is fine

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my2keh:

yes

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my2keh:

mine was too

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my2keh:

DVB-S?

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jedix:

yeah

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jedix:

set-top says 90!

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jedix:

err 90%

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jedix:

except transponder 15

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jedix:

which says zero

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my2keh:

yeah, on my viewsat I would get 80% signal

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jedix:

what'd you do?

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jedix:

it was working though

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my2keh:

what kinda diseqc do you have? How long is your cable run?

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my2keh:

I bought a none cheapo diseqc

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jedix:

it's a 4 port disecq

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my2keh:

yes

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jedix:

dunno what kind..

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my2keh:

is it smallish? like 1 inch or so?

[23:23:41]

my2keh:

prolly the fisher price ones

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my2keh:

i put in a new one, like around $16 and it worked first try

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jedix:

perfect vision

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my2keh:

all TP's

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my2keh:

hmmm I think the one I got is uhhh chitec or something

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my2keh:

lemme check

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jedix:

it's 3–5 inches

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jedix:

I think it's alright.

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jedix:

the second port works

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jedix:

the first one does not

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my2keh:

chieta

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my2keh:

my problem was that when I tried to get 82/91 at the same time

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my2keh:

one wouldn't go

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my2keh:

http://www.dvbsource.com/Switches/Chieta-4x1- . . . ch-WSD-2041/

[23:26:55]

my2keh:

ugh

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my2keh:

have to register to send PM

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my2keh:

gay

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jedix:

hehe

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jedix:

oh

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vfrex:

argh, all i'm getting is fuzz on digital cable ;_;

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my2keh:

brb

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jedix:

my2keh: did you try the repeat count on the swithc?

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Mr__Grieves:

strange...my remote is working fine on menus and recordings, but it does nothing in LiveTV. any ideas?

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jedix:

my2keh: join #whatever

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jedix:

what's the highest S/N that works?

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