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Monday, July 16th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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jedix:

is there a way to reverse the numbering in the channel guide?

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Led-Hed:

anyone here using MiniMyth?

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Led-Hed:

I'm having trouble with Xine's settings

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jedix:

Led-Hed: sorry, I don't use minimyth

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Led-Hed:

jedix, My first time. Its actually very cool. You can netboot a single distro to many frontends (Each FE can have ist own config file)

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jedix:

neat

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jedix:

I'm very new to myth (yesterday)

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jedix:

trying to get the schedule to reverse the order

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jedix:

so down is lower numbers

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jedix:

vs up being lower

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EricB:

Hey folks...I am trying to get mythtv installed on my debian server and I had a few questions...

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EricB:

Is it possible to get myth running if I am running the stable version of debian?

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keith:

yes

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keith:

ha!

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keith:

preempted that one

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keith:

EricB http://debian-multimedia.org/ has myth debs

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Led-Hed:

EricB, I know there are packages for Ubuntu which is Deb based

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keith:

for stable

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EricB:

yea but when I did a search online for myth debs it only showed testing and unstable

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EricB:

Ubuntu is based off the 2.20x kernal and Etch is on the 2.18x kernal

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Speedy2:

EricB: You can always compile it from source, regardless of your distry.

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Speedy2:

distro.

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EricB:

I was going to try that, I did download the source, but I was worried about dependancies and such.

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EricB:

I am familar with linux, but I wouldn't say I am an expert :)

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kormoc:

EricB, 2.20x and 2.18x? wow, kernels from the future...

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EricB:

LOL

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EricB:

well

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EricB:

ok sorry forgot a decimal in there ;)

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kormoc:

EricB, and a number like 2.4.x or 2.6.x

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EricB:

how about 2.6.18 and 2.6.20

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EricB:

sorry about that

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kormoc:

no worries

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EricB:

last time mixed stable and unstable sources in my sources.lst file, I ended up having to redo my entire laptop...so I am caution these days on adding new stuff to my sources file

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keith:

there are myth packages for etch

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keith:

debian-multimedia.org

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varun00:

Tanthrix: you around? :-)

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keith:

i run 2 myth backends on etch

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kormoc:

guess he has no comments on how well those work

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EricB:

so just using deb http://debian-multimedia.org etch main?

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jedix:

does the video plugin use imdb?

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kormoc:

it can

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EricB:

ok...I just found a how-to on how to install mythtv on 4.0 etch...thanks for the help folks...off for some "light" reading

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IndyGunFreak:

can you use mythtv just for watching live television?.. id on't care about recording

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kormoc:

IndyGunFreak, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Why_ . . . n_Live_TV.3F

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jedix:

kormoc: where might I enable this?

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kormoc:

jedix, it should be enabled by default

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IndyGunFreak:

kormoc: thanks..

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jedix:

kormoc: doesn't seem to be

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kormoc:

jedix, what are you expecting?

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jedix:

kormoc: when I go look at videos, the information will come up

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kormoc:

jedix, in the video setup, where it scan for them, you need to one by one tell it to search imdb for info, and select the correct match

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jedix:

kormoc: when I go in there now, everything is None NR 0 ?..

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jedix:

kormoc: video manager?

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kormoc:

yes

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jedix:

oh

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jedix:

that may take a while.

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varun00:

when I try and play a DVD with mplayer, I get this message

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varun00:

alsa-lib pcm_hw.c:1242 (snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D2p failed: Device or resource busy

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varun00:

but only when I try and use hwac3

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varun00:

just needed to kill esd :-)

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daum:

hi all

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daum:

anyone else having issues where after the first commerical skip in a program mythtv 'freezes' almost...it just keeps playing but it won't take any input (From remote or keyboard) and it won't skip the other commercials

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ShockValue:

well, hellanzb is working pretty good.. and its interface is really slick <hah hah>

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Rudd-O:

hi there guys

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Rudd-O:

quick question: whenever I'm watching TV on MythTV, lines that are vertical experience a horrendous color fringing/flickering. This is most obvious when watching Simpsons or other cartoons, or video-embedded subtitles. Why is that and how can I fix it? I didn't get those with TVTime

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Rudd-O:

I'm recording video in MPEG4 format with 640x480, high quality, 4MV, 2500 Kbps

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Rudd-O:

what can it be?

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ShockValue:

could be interlacing?

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Rudd-O:

lemme try to turn it off, see if there is any difference

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Rudd-O:

nope

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Rudd-O:

now there's combing, and the fringing persists

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Rudd-O:

lines alternate between blue/yellow and red/green if I recall correctly

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Rudd-O:

what could it be?

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ShockValue:

hrm, weird

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Rudd-O:

I'm using fairly demanding recording quality settings

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Rudd-O:

2500 kbps is a lot for SDTV

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ShockValue:

are you using XVmC?

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Rudd-O:

and the high quality options are checked as well

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Rudd-O:

it pegs my CPU at about 80%

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Tanthrix:

Rudd-O: What card?

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Rudd-O:

old bttv based card, worps *perfectly* on tvtime

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Tanthrix:

Oh. Well then, my advice is to get a real card. ;)

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Rudd-O:

why would I spend an extra $100 on a card if the one I have doesn't experience these issues *except* for MythTV?

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Rudd-O:

imagine for a second that the new card doesn't solve my problem... that's $100 I could have invested.

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Rudd-O:

the web says the problem is "dot crawl"

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Tanthrix:

I was half joking for the record. (Though, really, you can get a PVR-150 used for probably $50 or less)

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Tanthrix:

Sorry though, never heard of anything like that. I just know that word on the street is that framegrabber cards are pits of trouble.

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Rudd-O:

but.... it works so well in tvtime!

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Tanthrix:

TVtime doesn't record though, does it?

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ShockValue:

kinda like my toilet. after much work and research, it just wouldnt flush right.. i was going to be so pissed off if i bought a new toilet and it still didnt work

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ShockValue:

but I did

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ShockValue:

and it did.

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ShockValue:

:)

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Tanthrix:

Displaying the raw input is a whole different ball of wax than encoding on the fly then watching the encoded version. What TV time is doing (if I understand things correctly) is a hell of a lot simpler than myth

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kormoc:

Rudd-O, we know you can't see that sort of thing, it's why we have a irc channel FAQ, see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IRC#Shou . . . htv-users.3F

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Rudd-O:

kormoc: thanks, I already read it. How curious, didn't solve my problem :-)

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Rudd-O:

Tanthrix: I basically am wondering if the dot crawl is an artifact of the capture, or if it's an artifact of the encoding

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kormoc:

Rudd-O, so why not capture in rtjpeg and see if the issue goes away?

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Rudd-O:

kormoc: rtjpeg experiences the same ringing

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Rudd-O:

and tvtime doesn't just display the raw input, it also processes it fairly heavily

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kormoc:

tvtime uses different vl4 settings then myth does, I would wager

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Tanthrix:

Process != re-encode

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kormoc:

so perhaps upgrading/downgrading your driver will change things

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Rudd-O:

kormoc: v4l settings?

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kormoc:

Rudd-O, Video 4 Linux, the capture API that most (all?) tv apps on linux use to interface to tv cards

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Rudd-O:

correct me if I'm wrong, but both tvtime and mythtv capture video in YV colorspace, then process or encode it, then display it using Xv, right?

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Rudd-O:

using V4L2

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Rudd-O:

what settings are there? only the resolution and the colorspace

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kormoc:

Rudd-O, there's tons of settings, use something like v4lctrl to access your card and see the options it has

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Rudd-O:

and if tvtime is doing something right, well, then, it wouldn't be a bad idea to look into what it's doing and see how it can be included in myth

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kormoc:

I know for my old bttv card, I had to tweak some settings for the interlaced signal to align correctly

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Rudd-O:

kormoc: thanks for the tip :-)

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Rudd-O:

I'm on it downloading it from the repos

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Rudd-O:

hey is it package v4l-conf?

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kormoc:

I don't know offhand. I'm a gentoo guy

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Rudd-O:

found two

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Rudd-O:

v4l-conf and dov4l

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Rudd-O:

woos installed it on the wrong machine hehehe

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kormoc:

*If* you can prove it's a v4l setting and that it doesn't affect other cards in a negative way, then you could likely get it fixed in myth

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kormoc:

but that's a tough hurdle to cross

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Rudd-O:

OK

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Rudd-O:

I will try to solve the dot crawl issue then report it as a bug if I can tweak it

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Rudd-O:

I hope I can solve it, it's driving me nuts and it's also very probably wasting lots of bits in the MPEG4 encoding process

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EnderTheThird:

My network usage seems to jump way up and down all the time when streaming HD broadcasts over the network to my frontend, and after 10–20 min of viewing, the video hiccups constantly. is there some setting i should be adjusting to fix this?

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foxxbuntu:

EnderTheThird, what kind of switch do you have in between your fe and be?

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EnderTheThird:

D-Link router

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EnderTheThird:

DI-624

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foxxbuntu:

is that the Gig Gamer router?

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EnderTheThird:

no, 100 MBit

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foxxbuntu:

hmm

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kormoc:

update the firmware on the router?

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EnderTheThird:

done

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foxxbuntu:

you might just want to check your status screens there

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EnderTheThird:

i can see the network usage climbing up and back down constantly

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foxxbuntu:

make sure its linked at 100-Full to both machines

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foxxbuntu:

it almost sounds like you have auto negoitated to 100-Half or 10-Full/Half

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EnderTheThird:

yeah, 100Mbps for all LAN connections. it has a cable status screen

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foxxbuntu:

have you reset the router?

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EnderTheThird:

WAN from internet hookup is showing "10Mbps Half Duplex" but all LAN connections are 100Mbps FULL Duplex

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EnderTheThird:

i'm hesitant to order a new router unless i know that's the problem

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EnderTheThird:

yeah, i've reset it

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foxxbuntu:

you might try this for testing...plug the fe into the be with a crossover cable

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foxxbuntu:

and see if the problem persists

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EnderTheThird:

hmmm, good idea

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foxxbuntu:

obviously staticly assign IP's

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EnderTheThird:

yeah

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EnderTheThird:

i'll need to try that tomorrow. i'm out of RJ-45 connectors

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foxxbuntu:

that will tell you if its one of the machines or your netowrk hardware

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kormoc:

sometimes nics are auto-sensing

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foxxbuntu:

indeed

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kormoc:

so you can try with normal cables and see if it's a link

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foxxbuntu:

if you have newer boards you can use a normal cable too

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kormoc:

and you can use the dhcp lease if if the lease is long enough :P

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EnderTheThird:

hmmm, the one computer is 2 months old, the other is about 2–3 years

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kormoc:

you only need one to be new enough

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foxxbuntu:

indeed

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EnderTheThird:

yeah, i'll definitely try that tomorrow

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foxxbuntu:

you'll know if it works with normal cables, the link lights should come on if it worked

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EnderTheThird:

it's gonna be less of a problem after i move cause i plan on switching FE and BE. 2.8GHz P4 with 1GB RAM should be good enough for BE with HDHR and PVR500, don't you think?

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EnderTheThird:

cause there's no CPU cycles needed for recording cause HDHR is direct to HDD and the PVR-500 has hardware decoders

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foxxbuntu:

should work fine

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foxxbuntu:

I know a HD system running the be on 384MB with a P3 700

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EnderTheThird:

i made the new Core 2 Duo my BE, but realized that was pointless cause i'm always screwing around with this one, haha

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foxxbuntu:

EnderTheThird, have you heard of the MythBuntu Project?

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EnderTheThird:

might need to drop $$ on a new router regardless. damned thing keeps dropping connections whenever a new connection is started (like my 360 gets turned on and connected to XBL)

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foxxbuntu:

oh

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EnderTheThird:

foxxbuntu, I have. I might install that on the new BE/FE in my living room

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foxxbuntu:

you have a 360 on your network?

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EnderTheThird:

yeah

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foxxbuntu:

thats your issue

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EnderTheThird:

you serious?

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foxxbuntu:

I would bet on it

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EnderTheThird:

how?

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foxxbuntu:

yeah its an issue with Universal Plug 'n' Play and the BE

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foxxbuntu:

let me get you the code fix for it

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EnderTheThird:

with the hiccuping or the dropped connections?

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foxxbuntu:

yup

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EnderTheThird:

(if you say both i'll love you)

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foxxbuntu:

mine did strange crap like that too

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captlloyd:

Is there a way in the Internal player to do post processing to smooth some of the blockyness in my videos?

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EnderTheThird:

the connection drops didn't start till i hooked up the new computer, but i also only had 2 devices hooked up before then. now i have 4: HDHR, BE, FE, and 360

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EnderTheThird:

plus a Wii via wireless. Not sure the DI-624 can keep up

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EnderTheThird:

heh

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foxxbuntu:

no that shouldnt be an issue

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foxxbuntu:

MS's upnp is what pisses most things off

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EnderTheThird:

k. let me know about the fix regarding the 360

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foxxbuntu:

sudo nano /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend

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foxxbuntu:

then

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foxxbuntu:

$

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foxxbuntu:

EXTRA_ARGS=""

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foxxbuntu:

should be uncommented and changed to $

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foxxbuntu:

EXTRA_ARGS="--noupnp"

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foxxbuntu:

then

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EnderTheThird:

k

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foxxbuntu:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart

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foxxbuntu:

then give it a shot and see what happens

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EnderTheThird:

k, i'll start HD on the FE and see if it starts hiccuping after 15 min

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foxxbuntu:

EnderTheThird, btw..I am one of the devs working on MythBuntu...we are really getting aways along now and its down to a very simple install, I am actually working on a Namespace conversion script for the Lirc Remotes

[03:12:53]

foxxbuntu:

ok

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foxxbuntu:

send me a PM and let me know the test results

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EnderTheThird:

will do

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chuk:

hey foxxbuntu, I have a q for you

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chuk:

re: mythbuntu

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foxxbuntu:

sure

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captlloyd:

oooh, mythbuntu

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EnderTheThird:

thanks a ton either way

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foxxbuntu:

yup

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foxxbuntu:

np

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foxxbuntu:

gl

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captlloyd:

\

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chuk:

I have a motherboard that uses nvidia 7050 chipset

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chuk:

integrated HDMI

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foxxbuntu:

ok

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chuk:

I can't get it to work with mythbuntu

[03:14:20]

chuk:

any idea if it should?

[03:14:24]

chuk:

the latest driver supports it

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chuk:

I have it working on plain old ubuntu

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EnderTheThird:

have you tried the latest 7.10 Mythbuntu yet?

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foxxbuntu:

Are you using the Repo Driver or the Current Nvidia Driver?

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chuk:

latest 7.1

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chuk:

not sure what you mean by repo vs current

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chuk:

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813138061 thats the mb fwiw

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foxxbuntu:

when you installed Ubuntu did you have to download the driver from nVidia or did it just work?

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chuk:

had to dl the driver

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chuk:

installed with basic vesa support

[03:16:23]

chuk:

and then downloaded and installed latest nvidia

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chuk:

but I couldn't figure out how to get nvidia driver installed on mythbuntu

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foxxbuntu:

ok, I don't think superm1 has put the lasest driver package from Nvidia in yet so that is most likley why, as the HDMI on-board is fairly new, but I can certianly have that added for a new release

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chuk:

cool, not to push my luck, but I also have this MB:

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chuk:

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813135049

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chuk:

ati – yuck

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foxxbuntu:

indeed

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chuk:

but, same thing, I can't get it to work with mythbuntu

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chuk:

I realize both of those mb's are using brand new chipsets, but I figured I'd mention it, because mythbuntu seems to be fairly bleeding edge

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juski:

well duh, it's still in alpha!

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foxxbuntu:

odd there...did you tell it to install the propitary driver package?

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chuk:

yeah, it didn't recognize the ati one

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foxxbuntu:

ok

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foxxbuntu:

I can add a request in for that one as well

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chuk:

well, I don't just mean that its alpha, I mean that it appears to be using most current stuff

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foxxbuntu:

well the current build model is on Gusty Gibbon

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chuk:

whereas stuff like mythdora tends to use slightly older stuff

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foxxbuntu:

yea

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foxxbuntu:

we are actually trying to keep up with Gusty so that it will be an offical Ubuntu supported system upon Gusty's release

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juski:

why not just use ubuntu & follow some simple to read docs?

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chuk:

whens that? oct?

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foxxbuntu:

yea, its getting close

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juski:

I mean it's not hard to install mythtv if you know wtf you're doing

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chuk:

no, its very easy

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foxxbuntu:

indeed, but as a dev for this I know the blood that went into those packages alone

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chuk:

I just like the convenience and the stripped down build

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foxxbuntu:

superm1 created the docs and most of those packages which came to building MythBuntu

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juski:

it's well beyond some people, I realise – but who cares about them? help those who can help themselves, that's what I say :)

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chuk:

its not critical, but its nice to have the option

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foxxbuntu:

yeah, but I remember the days of Gentoo Stage one installs and building MythTV up on that

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foxxbuntu:

so the days of Ubuntu and MythTV brought a whole new level of ease

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foxxbuntu:

and now we hope to have a very simple install for the masses with MythBuntu

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foxxbuntu:

EnderTheThird, is your network out of control yet?

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foxxbuntu:

chuk, thanks for the heads up, I will see to getting some newer drivers included

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chuk:

no, thank you! let me know if you need any testing

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foxxbuntu:

not a problem...I actually just dropped in the tracking for both of those...we'll see how far we can get on that

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foxxbuntu:

EnderTheThird, any luck or still crazy?

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captlloyd:

Ordered my PVR-150 yesterday, yay :)

[03:35:59]

EnderTheThird:

foxxbuntu: I'm giving it another 10 minutes while i finish some stuff around the house. looks good so far though

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foxxbuntu:

good

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chuk:

will probably see a bunch of MB's with those chipsets cropping up

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foxxbuntu:

ok, I will back in like 40 mins or so, so just leave a PM and I will catch you then if you are still on

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chuk:

they are great for HTPC since they both support HDMI

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foxxbuntu:

indeed

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chuk:

and are micro-atx

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chuk:

mini

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chuk:

micro!

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chuk:

I always get those mixed up

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foxxbuntu:

I actually was looking to get one as I am adding another frontend and was going to run HDMI

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chuk:

I would definately recommend the nvidia one over the ati one

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foxxbuntu:

thats a given

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chuk:

the nvidia one works great with a 3600+ for HD stuff

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foxxbuntu:

the ATI support isnt as good as NVidia

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chuk:

the ati one is unusable so far because I can't seem to get Xv output

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chuk:

but it appears to be a driver issue

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foxxbuntu:

yea

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chuk:

because I have another frontend with an ATI 8500 in it

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chuk:

and it works fine

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chuk:

but I tried installing mythbuntu on the same system, and I get the Xv output problem again

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foxxbuntu:

alright...I gtg for like 40 mins

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foxxbuntu:

catch you later

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chuk:

with all the same hardware

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foxxbuntu:

leave PM's with questions

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chuk:

later, thanks

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EnderTheThird:

is Mythtbuntu good only for FE, or is it usable for BE upon install?

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chuk:

I haven't tried the BE yet, I'm going to do one tomorrow

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EnderTheThird:

Thanks.

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EnderTheThird:

II'm going to be reinstall everything on my current FE to make it a BE. Also debating if I want to try to save my DB and recordings (which only consists of ~5 shows, but still

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EnderTheThird:

Might just stick with Ubuntu to keep it simple though.

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captlloyd:

what keyboard key by default does mute?

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captlloyd:

I can't find where to change it either.

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EnderTheThird:

|,\,F9

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EnderTheThird:

go to http://127.0.0.1/mythweb assuming you're on your BE now

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chuk:

F9 or |

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chuk:

doh

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captlloyd:

its the | for me, thanks, I'll look at my web config, thanks

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EnderTheThird:

in Settings, there's a listing of key bindings there

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EnderTheThird:

no problem

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captlloyd:

yeah, I can't make sense of the menu

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captlloyd:

with the keys

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captlloyd:

just lack of experience I am sure

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chuk:

if you have the plugins installed, you should have editkeys

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chuk:

on the front end

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EnderTheThird:

^also true

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EnderTheThird:

it looks like much less of a mess if you go to it via the FE

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captlloyd:

Which plugin is editkeys in? Its own, or part of another?

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juski:

mythcontrols

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captlloyd:

Yeah, I have that, I see a list of contexts, I'm not sure which one would be for playing back DVDs and video files

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captlloyd:

I'm using the Internal player

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captlloyd:

I think I found it, TV Playback

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juski:

OMG! look it's in the docs! http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1

[04:06:07]

EnderTheThird:

Anyone working off of Ubuntu 7.10 right now?

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captlloyd:

EnderTheThird: I am

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EnderTheThird:

captlloyd: any problems so far? I'll probably be redoing my BE within the next couple weeks, and I'm tempted to put 7.10 on there so I don't need to worry about upgrading when October rolls around and losing anything

[04:08:14]

captlloyd:

I've just started with it, but so far no. However, I don't have a capture card in yet

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captlloyd:

But it plays DVDs, videos, and interfaces with my remote with no problems

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EnderTheThird:

Hmmm, tempting. Sometimes Ubuntu's 6-month schedule is almost a curse!

[04:10:40]

juski:

but if a box works there's no need to upgrade it!

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EnderTheThird:

anyone know of a guide for transferring a MythTV DB and recordings? I already have a separate 300GB HDD that's mounted as /var/lib/mythtv, but i'm not so sure how to transfer the MySQL database

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juski:

my backend running Dapper is just fine

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juski:

EnderTheThird: in the wiki!

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EnderTheThird:

yeah, but i'm an obsessive tinkerer

[04:11:39]

EnderTheThird:

and if i'm screwing around with my MythTV setup, then I'm not studying/worrying about the MCAT, haha

[04:13:51]

juski:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual: . . . _Maintenance tells you how to save the database & restore it

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EnderTheThird:

thanks juski

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foxxbuntu:

woah...dont go to 7.10 yet

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EnderTheThird:

haha

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foxxbuntu:

EnderTheThird, you don't want those issues with a MythTV Box right now

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foxxbuntu:

too many changes all the time

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EnderTheThird:

i probably won't, just because there are way too many HD recordings that i record every week to risk losing them with 7.10 starting this fall

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foxxbuntu:

indeed

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foxxbuntu:

so what are the results?

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EnderTheThird:

no luck

[04:17:13]

EnderTheThird:

still a little skippy

[04:17:26]

EnderTheThird:

i'll need to try a crossover cable one of these days

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EnderTheThird:

i'm not horribly worried about it right now though. the only HD recording i have every week right now is Standoff

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EnderTheThird:

and i'll be moving my BE to my current FE

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juski:

playing a recording streamed from 10/100 ethernet is not a problem. with 100mbit ethernet, not even HD is a problem

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EnderTheThird:

so it'll be local on my TV, which is where i usually watch my TV

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kormoc:

EnderTheThird, I use gentoo, cause i love being bleeding edge all the time, screw upgrade cycles, I can have the fun of upgrades daily!

[04:18:28]

juski:

unless your home network is so heavily overloaded...

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foxxbuntu:

oh no!! a Gentoo user!!

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foxxbuntu:

lol

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EnderTheThird:

shouldn't be overloaded at all. no BT going or anything

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Speedy2:

HD streams top out at 25 Mbps

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wh0dat:

getting "Incorrect key file for table './mythconverg/recordmatch.MYI'" .. when trying to start mythbackend, any ideas?

[04:19:35]

Speedy2:

If you have switched 100 Mbit ethernet and your NIC supports DMA ...

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EnderTheThird:

that's for uncompressed at that

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** foxxbuntu is glad Gentoo is from a past life **

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kormoc:

wh0dat, gonna need to read mysql docs on that one, you have a corrupt table there

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kormoc:

foxxbuntu, it's been way better then fedora, debian, suse, and ubuntu have been (least to me)

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** kormoc shudders at rpm and deb **

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wh0dat:

kormac: i looked up how to repair it, and ran the command, and it fixes it. but then it gives the error again.

[04:21:21]

kormoc:

wh0dat, disks full?

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** foxxbuntu pukes a little in his mouth at the throught of doing a stage 1 install ever again **

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kormoc:

foxxbuntu, but you only ever do that once (if you want to, stage 3 works fine too)

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wh0dat:

karmoc: /dev/sda3 383820328 380429496 3390832 100% /myth

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foxxbuntu:

lol

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kormoc:

foxxbuntu, same gentoo install going on here for 6 years or so, perfectly fine and upto date :)

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foxxbuntu:

kormoc, I know...I just have to bust your chops

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wh0dat:

there is 3meg left it looks like

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

wh0dat, that might not be enough

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juski:

ugh. I shouldn't have looked in the wishlist

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wh0dat:

kormoc: i thought mythtv autohandled free space and stuff

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kormoc:

wh0dat, only if you tell it to in mythtv-setup

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kormoc:

wh0dat, and only if you have stuff able to be expired

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juski:

damn ignorant idiots! arghhh! get coding or STFU!

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kormoc:

juski, this is why I avoid looking there :P

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wh0dat:

karmoc: can i just rm -rf /myth/tv to remove the livetv recording only, and leave the stuff i marked to record?

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kormoc:

wh0dat, it's all stored together

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wh0dat:

meh

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juski:

they get expired automatically anyway, those livetv recordings

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kormoc:

juski, only if autoexpire is enabled

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kormoc:

wh0dat, you can likely get by with deleting one file and then telling myth to 'delete and re-record' the missing file when you find it in the frontend

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juski:

ah if record was pressed when watching them, they're treated like normal recordings

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juski:

otherwise though they should be expired after 24H or when disk space reaches a threshold you've set – 1GB by default

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juski:

or – go to 'watch recordings' & set the group filter to show livetv & delete em yourself!

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wh0dat:

karmoc: err, i have 3gig not 3meg.. i am good there, n/m

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** kormoc really wonders why people read one of his "o"'s as a "a" **

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juski:

there's hardly a single feature suggestion that isn't already implemented in one way or another. the fools!

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kormoc:

juski, delete them!

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** foxxbuntu reminds juski that not everyone is a linux dev person **

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foxxbuntu:

:P

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** juski reminds foxxbuntu that if people want features so badly they should learn to code. muhahahahahahaha **

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** kormoc thinks juski is drunk **

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foxxbuntu:

juski, well you got me there

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juski:

at 5.30am ? lol

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kormoc:

juski, drunk on power at the very least :P

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juski:

I'd love to be an altruist but something stops me

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** kormoc breaks open another drink **

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** foxxbuntu needs saved from firewall security support **

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juski:

"oh you poor little user. what do you want? Ah okay let me just fix that right up for you now! There! done it! no need to thank me. you say jump & I'll say "how high" "

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kormoc:

shorewally for the win!

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** Beirdo just reimplemented his scrollbar in the bot's console to use only integer math **

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Beirdo:

what fun

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** kormoc laughs **

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EnderTheThird:

alright guys and gals, i'm outta here

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kormoc:

Beirdo, so how much faster is it?

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Beirdo:

dunno, didn't bother to try to measure

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EnderTheThird:

see you all later

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Beirdo:

I'm using an AMD64 box as my devel platform after all

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Beirdo:

but still, integer multiplication and addition/subtraction is ALWAYS faster than double-precision floating point division... on PC architectures at least

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

the puppy's starting to take a nap... using my wife's laptop as a pillow

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

silly puppy

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kormoc:

the most my pet does is poop and squawk, spoiled bird...

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Beirdo:

you should try a puppy... this one has an attitude if she doesn't get what she wants.

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kormoc:

it's harder to punish a bird when it can fly :P

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Beirdo:

stubborn little bitch (literally)

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ShockValue:

ok, xover question.. i used to use dvddecrypter to rip the VOB files (of movies I own) from the dvd's to my HD. what can do that in linux?

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Beirdo:

well, tomorrow's another day (which will likely feature adding "New Server", "New Channel" etc to the bot's console

[04:37:23]

Beirdo:

right now you can edit config, but not add new or delete old

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Beirdo:

of course, you can use phpmyadmin for that :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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xris:

ShockValue: mythvideo can

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kormoc:

ShockValue, myth's import dvd function

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ShockValue:

hrm, ive always done it manually, i guess i could try that

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Beirdo:

anyways, bed time :)

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kormoc:

night

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d00gster:

can someone tell me what this error means http://www.pastebin.ca/621433

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d00gster:

when compiling myth that is

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tank-man:

d00gster, try compiling 0.20-fixes

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mchou:

ShockValue: hey dude, how did it go w/ comcast and C?

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mchou:

5C*

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kormoc:

tank-man, that could be -trunk or -fixes already

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d00gster:

tank-man, where are those fixes?

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kormoc:

d00gster, in svn, under branches/release-0.20-fixes or the like

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d00gster:

guys could it be because when I installed "apt-get build-dep mythtv-frontend" it asked me for a password for mysql and I put one?

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kormoc:

that's unrelated to compiling myth

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d00gster:

can't find the fixes

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kormoc:

d00gster, go to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ and read the second grey box on the page

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d00gster:

oh so that takes me to stable as opposed to current

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kormoc:

right, -trunk is the current development branch, -fixes is the current stable branch

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Rudd-O:

thank you thank you thank you guys

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Rudd-O:

combfilter was the big hit

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Rudd-O:

:-)

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Rudd-O:

btw

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Rudd-O:

what does combfilter do?

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d00gster:

that stable code is missing dvb stuff.

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hads:

Missing what?

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d00gster:

libs/libmythtv/mpeg/dvbstreamdata.cpp

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d00gster:

libs/libmythtv/mpeg/dvbstreamdata.h

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d00gster:

where not in it

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Rudd-O:

thanks guys

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Rudd-O:

thank you very much

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Rudd-O:

now myth is up to tvtime quality

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Rudd-O:

:-)

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Rudd-O:

the adjust filter is doing its "evil" job in the recording phase, the comb filter is doing its job at the capture card, and another adjust filter is doing the gamma correction (monitor old, too dark)

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d00gster:

I disabled xvmc and it seems to compile now ... lets hope is finishes

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d00gster:

nope ... no luck today.... will attempt again tomorrow, thanks guys

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kormoc:

Rudd-O, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comb_filter

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SlicerDicer-:

hello kormoc

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kormoc:

hihi

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SlicerDicer-:

any new exiting features :)

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kormoc:

sure, but sadly not on my end. My mythbox died in the heat wave :/

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SlicerDicer-:

ouch

[05:45:22]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah it was pretty hot there

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kormoc:

high of 101 or the like

[05:45:41]

SlicerDicer-:

it hit nearly 100 in north bend from what I heard

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: is it mostly dead or all dead?

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kormoc:

power supply died, and it's a custom one for the shuttle case

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SlicerDicer-:

that sucks

[05:47:08]

kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

so I'm gonna buy a new case/mobo/cpu/ram set, but it's gonna be ahilw I think

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kormoc:

money is a tad too tight

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varun00:

is there a way to add a samba share from the mythfrontend?

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kormoc:

no

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varun00:

kormoc: is that to me?

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kormoc:

yes

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: what you going to do a duo?

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varun00:

kormoc: word. thanks.

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, I was thinking of a pentium-d 805 with a mobo that supports a duo for future upgrades

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SlicerDicer-:

not a bad idea

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SlicerDicer-:

I am looking at getting a AM2 maybe soon

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kormoc:

my current one is a celeron-d 2.13 ghz, so the 805 is a really nice upgrade

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SlicerDicer-:

that would be for frontend only however

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SlicerDicer-:

I am kinda pissed that I cant get agp boards that easy anymore

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SlicerDicer-:

I would rather just get a 939 board that is mini-atx and shove my spare cpu in there

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SlicerDicer-:

then I am good to go

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SlicerDicer-:

got plenty of spare ddr400

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** SlicerDicer- slams head into wall at the lacking of dead hardware **

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kormoc:

I'd love a shuttle with built-in nvidia with svideo/vga/dvi

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: mobo makers never think with the crazy linux user in mind ;-)

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SlicerDicer-:

so hey have you heard how well the appletv does HDTV?

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kormoc:

nope

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SlicerDicer-:

now that frontends run on it :)

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SlicerDicer-:

all the articles I have found lack hdtv

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SlicerDicer-:

no mention of it

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Rudd-O:

I got myself a poweredge, dual core xeon 2.8 ghz

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Rudd-O:

maybe the wrong machine for the frontend, nine high-rpm fans

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Rudd-O:

and I still run the backend on my old 2400+ athlon xp machine :-)

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157097

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: look at that. AGP and PCI-e

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: pay $70 and get your troubles over with

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: that board is way too funky. supports 939 and AM2.

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Speedy2:

Avoid anything with ALi, SiS, ULi or VIA shitsets

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kormoc:

as well as ATI!

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Speedy2:

and nvidia

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Speedy2:

(MB chipsets)

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kormoc:

I haven't heard that many bad things bout nvidia chipsets

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Speedy2:

jacked up drivers

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mchou:

Speedy2: dude, the dude doesnt have a choice if he has a 939 proc

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ServerSage:

Speedy2: I run nvidia chipsets on several boards without problems.

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ServerSage:

Speedy2: You eliminated just about every chipset except Intel. Do you work for them?

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mchou:

ServerSage: Speedy2 is an intel fanboy

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mchou:

ServerSage: he doesnt know intel chipsets have issues too

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ServerSage:

mchou: Aaah, Intel Troll.

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mchou:

Actually I've wondered about ULi. some ppl seem to love them.

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mchou:

I've never used an ULi myself.

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ServerSage:

No have I. I had not heard of them until recently.

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mchou:

ServerSage: lol. that's cause they got acquired by nvidia

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ServerSage:

mchou: Everything gets eaten.

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mchou:

they were around for one 1 chipset, iirc b4 they got eaten

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mchou:

nvidia really didnt want the competition

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ServerSage:

mchou: I'm ok with that. I rather like nVidia.

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mchou:

bah. Diversity and competition is good

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mchou:

as good as nvidia is I think competition would make them better

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mchou:

and their chipsets suck more power than the CPU

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mchou:

crazy

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juski:

who cares if $stuff just works? I don't – I mean if it works why care if it's closed source or not. Myth is open source & I don't see hordes rushing to fix problems in it ;)

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Tanthrix:

Man, Antitrust is way, way worse than I remember it

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juski:

!seen ivor

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MythLogBot:

ivor was last seen 44 days 14 hours 46 minutes 16 seconds ago

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Tanthrix:

That's a while.

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Dibblah:

Wonder if Daniel, janne et al still consider the payment for the multirec branch worthwhile...

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuarta

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juski:

Dibblah: how so? because it's not turned out to be some 1 hour fix?

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stuarta:

morning all

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juski:

morning stuarta

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juski:

good weekend?

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stuarta:

could say so, got engaged

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stuarta:

:)

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hads:

Congrats

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juski:

excellent! was about to ask if you'll be needing to meet any uncles any time soon :)

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stuarta:

yes, we will have to have a chat with the uncle

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stuarta:

(for the confused, he's a jeweller

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stuarta:

)

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hads:

Makes more sense then

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juski:

totally OT for here but here goes.. I've downloaded the sources for the openchrome drivers but I only want to compile one thing – via_vt162x.c how in the world do I go about that? tried gcc via_vt162x.c but no dice.. very new to this though have compiled mythtv & other stuff more time than I've had hot dinners – though those things didn't involve automake & didn't need hacking ;)

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stuarta:

just to get the .o ?

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juski:

yeah

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stuarta:

make via_vt162x.o

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stuarta:

and cross ya fingers

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juski:

no rule to make it

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hads:

Or just make and then find the o file.

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juski:

again no rule to make target

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stuarta:

sounds like it's not configured

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hads:

Is there a Makefile?

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juski:

yeah but that doesn't work either.. automake poops itself

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hads:

Wrong version?

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juski:

noipe

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Dibblah:

What's wrong with compiling the whole thing?

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juski:

right according to a howto ...

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juski:

Dibblah: won't work

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juski:

figured it's only one little program – how hard can it be? ;)

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juski:

looks like I'll either have to fix the automake problem or make a makefile. yeesh

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stuarta:

ah the joy of coding :)

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hads:

They joy of compiled stuff :)

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juski:

ahh this time autogen.sh worked, but make is failing

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juski:

must be a file I can edit somewhere so only the one thing I want gets built

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hads:

juski: If you've now got a makefile open it and search for the file you want, there might be a target you can use.

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stuarta:

i was expecting a generic target

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stuarta:

%.c: %.o etc etc...

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bjweeks:

is there any way to get mythvideo with the internal player to do deinterlacing?

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juski:

bjweeks: yeah just enable deinterlacing

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juski:

pity that's a global feature though

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bjweeks:

I have it set and it works for TV but not mythvideo :/

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stuarta:

you definitely using the internal player and not mplayer?

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bjweeks:

yep, I can even use the myth default controls

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bjweeks:

if it matters I set .avi to play with internal instead of mplayer

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juski:

or Internal? there's a difference

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juski:

or there was until recently

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bjweeks:

Internal

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juski:

you don't get many interlaced avis to the pound

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bjweeks:

I don't even think the avi is interlaced but I'm seeing the combing :|

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juski:

tried it with a different player outside mythtv?

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bjweeks:

not on the mythbox, I've watched all of them on VLC though

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juski:

if you use nvidia tvout (composite or svid) just crank up the flicker filter to halfway :)

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Dibblah:

bjweeks: avi is a container.

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Dibblah:

And yes, some codecs do interlaced content.

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Dibblah:

However, if it's a bad rip that you're trying to watch, then the combing could well be in the source.

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Dibblah:

What does mplayer say about the file?

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bjweeks:

just tested it, plays fine on mplayer outside Myth but not inside

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Dibblah:

Does mplayer believe it is interlaced?

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juski:

ffmpeg -i $filename will reveal all. muhahahaha

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Dibblah:

Yeah, but mplayer is what I'm familiar with :)

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Dibblah:

Flicker filter... <shudder>

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juski:

ffmpeg -i reveals all in plain English (ish)

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juski:

Dibblah: shurrup, we don't all have million line displays

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Dibblah:

Now You Too Can Watch In FuzzyVision (tm)

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juski:

it's NOT fuzzy

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Dagmar:

heh

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juski:

can be if you crank it up too high, which is why I say half-way

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juski:

anyway it's a better deinterlacer than mythtv

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Dibblah:

It's an interpolating 8-tap or so filter.

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bjweeks:

Duration: 00:21:57.7, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 1742 kb/s

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bjweeks:

Stream #0.0: Video: mpeg4, yuv420p, 720x480, 29.97 fps(r)

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bjweeks:

Stream #0.1: Audio: mp3, 44100 Hz, stereo, 192 kb/s

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Dagmar:

It's "optically challenged"

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Dibblah:

It's not a deinterlacer, as far as I know.

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juski:

so even if it does take a slight edge off the video, it looks better than deinterlacing in myth

[09:01:09]

juski:

it's an adaptive flicker filter

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juski:

don't ask me how it works but it works!

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Dibblah:

Best option, of course is greedy2frame or similar.

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Dibblah:

But implementation of that seems to have stalled :(

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juski:

great if you have the spare CPU

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Dibblah:

Indeed.

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Dibblah:

Or GPU.

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juski:

not so great if your machine is a fecking PUNY (waste of fucking money) EPIA

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juski:

GPU.. ROFLMAO

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Dibblah:

Completely unrelated, but N770s (internet tablet thingys) are £80 now :)

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juski:

cheepies :-\

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Dibblah:

Linux handheld... Must... Resist...

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juski:

£73.40 from expansis

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juski:

Expansys even

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juski:

so no excuse for there not being a mythtv remote app for it now then eh

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Dagmar:

Yes ther eis

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Dagmar:

buy.com has had them for $139 for a couple weeks now

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juski:

oh yeah I forgot the legions of lazy feckers

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Dagmar:

It's been _tempting_ for me to get one

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Dagmar:

I'll say that much

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juski:

I got up nice & early this morning & was in a great mood til I read the feature requests section of the wiki

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stuarta:

juski: act like an emu and stick you head in the sand, thus ignoring it

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juski:

stuarta: will do from now on

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juski:

more than half of them haven't even bothered to check existing functionality ffs. they need a jolly good trouting

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Dibblah:

!trout users

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** MythLogBot slaps users with a trout on behalf of Dibblah... **

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Dagmar:

juski: Well, basically a lot of that would go away if there was a massive usability analysis done on the frontend

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Dibblah:

juski: £80 including shipping.

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: No. Please. Not again :(

[09:24:04]

Dagmar:

Well, such a thing really only needs to be done *once*

[09:24:14]

Dagmar:

Problem is, most opensource devs don't know jack about doing it even once

[09:24:20]

Dagmar:

I can't exactly blame them

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juski:

Dagmar: you mean if such a thing is carried out they'd spend too much time picking nits they'd forget about stupid feature requests?

[09:24:41]

Dagmar:

You get used to writing software that makes sense to you as a developer, and never think about the idiotic ways "normal users" do things

[09:25:01]

juski:

I can't think of that many illogical things in mythtv

[09:25:09]

Dagmar:

juski: No, I mean probably everyone's menu theme files would get tossed out the window, for starters

[09:25:21]

juski:

only 'video sources' & the OSD theme choice spring to mind

[09:25:51]

juski:

the default seems logical to me – certainly way more than the out & out stupid DVR theme

[09:26:07]

juski:

'watch tv' is a utility in that menu theme ffs. what's that all about?

[09:26:08]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I agree, but there's stuff that doesn't jive in it

[09:26:09]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: That's probably not the main problem with Myth. Organic v planned growth.

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Dagmar:

Dibblah: Yeah, it's "close enough" now that it's not breaking anything

[09:26:51]

Dagmar:

I just hope that nothing gets literally welded into place to the degree that when the time presents itself, it becomes impossible to fix the ui

[09:27:58]

Dibblah:

Yup. Most irratating at the moment is "go to page 8 of the Playback settings" kind of thing.

[09:28:04]

Dagmar:

Frankly, I think getting myth and mythvideo using a common database and metatags to store video files is higher priority

[09:28:16]

Dagmar:

...or should be at any rate

[09:28:23]

Dibblah:

It does use a common database.

[09:28:25]

Dibblah:

;)

[09:28:33]

Dagmar:

You know what I'm talking about. heh

[09:29:13]

Dagmar:

Life would be much easier if they used just one pool of metadata for all the video files

[09:29:18]

juski:

no way!

[09:29:25]

juski:

absolutely NO freaking way

[09:29:29]

Dagmar:

huh?

[09:29:39]

juski:

I want my videos & TV to be kept apart thanks very much

[09:29:45]

Dibblah:

juski appears to have lost his chill pills again...

[09:29:55]

Dagmar:

juski: It's not like you can't flag videos with their own category

[09:30:23]

Dagmar:

...but if you could effectively punt a file from one to the other by changing/removing/adding a metatag to it, that would rule

[09:30:37]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: The use cases are different for both media types.

[09:30:39]

juski:

not with the current browser

[09:30:49]

Dagmar:

For one thing, you could effectively punt something straight out of myth's main recording database, and into mythvideo's purview

[09:31:06]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: Not *that* much different. I mean, either way you're just watching files

[09:31:25]

Dagmar:

TV recordings can be expected to have commflagging data and are planned to expire after some time

[09:31:34]

juski:

apart from videos don't have seektables

[09:31:48]

Dibblah:

juski: They can.

[09:31:55]

Dagmar:

This doesn't forbid them being lobbed into a common pool of metadata

[09:32:02]

Dibblah:

And really should.

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stuarta:

there are plans to merge mythvideo and core

[09:32:14]

juski:

not if you don't use the Internal player

[09:32:27]

juski:

it uses way too much CPU for my frontend

[09:32:35]

Dibblah:

juski: Ah. Yes, indeed. But that should be a shrinking group.

[09:32:39]

subx:

ALSA is just as fiddly as LIRC, because i installed a minimal setup im without sound this time. ive installed ALSA, ive checked the correct drivers are loaded and ive unmuted all the channels but still sound will not play..

[09:32:43]

Dibblah:

juski: Done any profiling?

[09:33:02]

Dagmar:

subx: did you run `speaker-test`?

[09:33:04]

juski:

Dibblah: in terms of the player will get more efficient or that us owners of < 4Ghz machines are dying out?

[09:33:16]

subx:

ill try now Dagmar, im using mplayer is a test

[09:33:17]

juski:

profiling? wtf?

[09:33:23]

Dagmar:

subx: run `speaker-test -t wav` and leave that running while you poke at it

[09:33:33]

Dibblah:

In terms of it's easier to just use the internal player.

[09:33:45]

Dibblah:

So more users == more possible dev time.

[09:33:51]

juski:

yeah I compared Internal to xine & found xine to produce smooth video where the Internal player produces green jerky video

[09:34:14]

Dibblah:

profiling as in oprofile and see what's eating time on your machine.

[09:34:23]

juski:

mythfrontend :D

[09:34:36]

subx:

i got that running Dagmar

[09:34:36]

juski:

bit bothersome in minimyth, since it's not included!

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Dibblah:

I saw no low hanging fruit when I last tried to get playback on a PII-300.

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juski:

ah the 'joys' of running a ready-rolled distro

[09:35:33]

juski:

xine uses less than half what mythfrontend does, go figure

[09:35:41]

juski:

actually much less on mpeg2

[09:36:06]

** Dibblah seems to remember a ticket regarding vsync which is related. **

[09:36:21]

Dibblah:

Don't remember if it's committed, though.

[09:36:37]

juski:

keeps getting broken & unbroken – easy to forget what the status is

[09:36:54]

Dibblah:

Something like a busy/wait loop caused by a race condition...

[09:37:03]

juski:

there was a change to stop the OSD being drawn twice all the time – that didn't make any difference

[09:37:24]

Dibblah:

No – The frame period was being miscalculated.

[09:37:34]

Dibblah:

But I don't remember the ticket details :(

[09:37:37]

juski:

ah the vrefresh detection bug

[09:37:39]

subx:

i can hear a change in static when i play around with the alsamixer Line level so that means it seems like its working but sound is not being routed through

[09:38:19]

Dibblah:

subx: You don't want audio routed from line to your speakers.

[09:38:25]

juski:

I've not tried it since then – and dunno if it's been backported to -fixes anyhow

[09:38:42]

Dibblah:

-fixes. I ran that once, I think ;)

[09:39:49]

subx:

ive unmuted every channel and pushed all the volumes to the max on alsamixer

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Dibblah:

subx: What are you actually trying to do?

[09:40:24]

subx:

just get my sound working

[09:40:38]

Dibblah:

If this is for a Myth installation, you shouldn't have Line in actually outputting to your speakers.

[09:40:41]

subx:

lsmod shows a lot of modules regarding sound

[09:40:53]

subx:

im just working with mplayer for now

[09:41:00]

subx:

ill deal with myth once i get it working

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Dibblah:

subx: That's 2 seperate problems.

[09:41:17]

subx:

actually im using speaker-test

[09:41:26]

Dibblah:

I'd just be following a guide for Myth ;)

[09:41:40]

subx:

ive tried that without no luck

[09:42:31]

Dibblah:

subx: It works. Start from the beginning. And Life Is Not More Fun When You Miss Bits.

[09:43:02]

subx:

shall i use a myth guide?

[09:43:07]

Dibblah:

subx: I assume you don't have digital speakers?

[09:43:10]

Dibblah:

subx: Yes.

[09:43:48]

Dibblah:

For example, Jarod's guide is popular and easy to follow.

[09:43:57]

Dibblah:

Or, just use a Myth distro.

[09:45:00]

subx:

im happy with my install, everything is working ok apart from alsa

[09:45:13]

subx:

i cannot seeing any ALSA help guides here

[09:45:20]

subx:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:HOWTO

[09:45:31]

Dibblah:

That's because it Just Works (tm)

[09:45:59]

Dibblah:

What's your output device set to in Myth?

[09:46:39]

Dibblah:

subx: And ... No guides? http://www.google.co.uk/search?source=ig& . . . ch&meta=

[09:46:48]

subx:

ALSA:default

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Dibblah:

subx: Do you have more than one sound card?

[09:47:26]

Dibblah:

And what do the logs say?

[09:48:03]

Dibblah:

subx: Just in case you're thinking of pasting here, pastebin.ca would be a better option ;)

[09:48:36]

Dibblah:

subx: Remember that the backend at the moment is OSS only.

[09:48:49]

Dibblah:

So you need the OSS compat stuff as well.

[09:48:54]

subx:

only 1 internal sound card

[09:49:06]

subx:

the mythtv error says this lots of times:

[09:49:08]

subx:

[mpegts @ 0xb739c7f0]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94212 !

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stuarta:

forget those

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subx:

ok

[09:52:22]

Dibblah:

subx: Full frontend logs (-v playback) to pastebin.ca...

[09:54:02]

subx:

its a big file

[09:54:04]

subx:

211929 2007-07–16 10:00 MYTHERRORS

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subx:

im going to start from the beginning, im going to remove ASLA / OSS and unload all the drivers

[09:58:39]

** subx wipes sweat from forehead **

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subx:

ive removed every single sound-related driver using modprobe -r and ive uninstalled all the sound related components

[10:07:33]

** subx starts fresh **

[10:07:48]

subx:

reboots for safe measure

[10:09:01]

subx:

maybe i should of installed the alsa stuff before i installed mythtv..

[10:09:35]

** subx removes mythtv **

[10:10:00]

juski:

check all your hardware works in linux before even going near mythtv

[10:10:13]

juski:

that's one of the biggest drawbacks to using a ready rolled distro

[10:10:20]

subx:

ok

[10:10:26]

juski:

I mean a mythtv based distro

[10:10:35]

subx:

ill use speaker-test and mplayer

[10:10:55]

subx:

im sure mythtv uses mplayer for mythmusic anyway?

[10:11:20]

juski:

no it doesn't

[10:11:32]

subx:

the sound worked ok before when i used a debian desktop install

[10:11:46]

juski:

what distro now?

[10:11:46]

subx:

but this time ive done a minimal install so a lot of components are missing

[10:11:51]

subx:

debian etch

[10:12:10]

subx:

everything on the box is working fine apart from audio

[10:12:29]

subx:

ive removed all the sound components so now im going to search google for some guides

[10:12:33]

juski:

wtf is the point in trying to minimise components on a mythtv box when the most the whole OS can take is maybe 2GB or so – that's pissy in comparison to how much tv recordings take up

[10:12:51]

subx:

thats true

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subx:

i just dont like the idea of having openoffice.org stuff installed on a box when i dont need it

[10:13:24]

subx:

it boots a lot faster now with fluxbox too

[10:13:29]

juski:

you can always remove stuff later

[10:13:34]

subx:

thats true

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subx:

its only sound, im sure i can find a way to sort this out

[10:14:13]

subx:

im going to start with mythtv wikis

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subx:

then ill trail google

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subx:

gather as much info as possible then decide on the best course of action

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** juski normally does that before starting a job but hey **

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subx:

the first course of action is to find out exactly what sound-card is on my motherboard

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subx:

lspci gave me this

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subx:

00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)

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subx:

inside my machine i have a : [11:39] [subx] [4:#mythtv-users(+cnst)] [Act: 2,5,6,7,8]

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subx:

ICH southbridge AC97 audio

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subx:

ive got it working :D

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subx:

this is how i done it

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subx:

first clean everything audio-related

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subx:

apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-oss

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subx:

alsaconf <-- this configures everything for you

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subx:

there is a muting bug in alsa so u need to unmute channels with

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subx:

amixer set Master 100% unmute

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subx:

amixer set PCM 100% unmute

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subx:

then thats it

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subx:

:D

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androoo:

is it possible to play Blueray disks in Linux/myth tv?

[11:09:08]

laga:

no

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androoo:

is that a hardware limitation or purely due to the copy protection ?

[11:10:24]

juski:

bits of both no doubt

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androoo:

im just speccing a new motherbaord for myth and want to be as future proof as possible, there is an ABIT m/b with HDCP onboard

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androoo:

http://www2.abit.com.tw/page/en/motherboard/m . . . E=Socket+AM2

[11:11:15]

androoo:

cant decide if i should bother with it or not :)

[11:11:15]

juski:

don't worry though. anybody who breaks the copy protection will be extradited & whisked away faster than you can say "dvd Jon"

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Hugolp:

it is posible to play blue-ray in linux through its still in development, the protection has been broken but for now you have to copy the movie to the hd before you can play it

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laga:

i dobut that hdcp is supported well in linuxtv

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juski:

everybody should do the right thing & not buy HD-DVD or blu-ray

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laga:

s/linuxtv/linux/

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** subx wonders what a mythfront end would be like on appleTV **

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laga:

it's kinda hard to create a trusted path for media in linux

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juski:

laga: I can see fluendo doing it. they love closed source :)

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Hugolp:

androoo: I was looking for multimedia card and right now before ddr3 that mobo is the only with integrated nvidia 7 series that I have seen at user price

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Hugolp:

I didnt buy it because its still not available in Spain

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laga:

juski: heh

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androoo:

dont think i need to worry about dd3 on a htpc ... but might as well get the best hardware at the time – for a good price anwyay

[11:15:57]

laga:

DDR3 is overrated at the moment.

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juski:

yes, emperor. those new clothes look simply stunning on you. people may scoff that they cannot see anything but you will know – that's why you're better than they are!

[11:17:08]

Hugolp:

what I meant is that it looks like they are going to start releasing dd3 at user price in not long

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** laga orders some DDR3 **

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androoo:

well my current "test" of myth is running on a 1600XP CPU with 512 of ram .. runs no probs so far :) but i want to get a new one and put it in a descent mediasystem style case to look good

[11:18:18]

juski:

androoo: put blootube-wide on it & run it at 1920x1080

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juski:

suddenly it won't work so well anymore :-P

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androoo:

juski, i have no HD content, so didnt try that yet ;-)

[11:19:59]

juski:

actually my 512MB backend has big problems with blootube-wide at 1280x720

[11:20:18]

juski:

but it's not been updated with the new memory usage fixes yet

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androoo:

anyway ive got nothing that will play at 1920x1080 anyway :)

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k-man:

anyone ever tried to talk to the myth backend using netcat?

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GreyFoxx:

I've used netcat to send a few commands in the past

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subx:

i shoudlnt of bothered creating a mythtv user on mysql

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stuarta:

that's good practice

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juski:

jees of all the retarded... somebody on the forum wants to stream dvb-t from a windows machine & use mythtv to record it

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laga:

juski: it's possible :P

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stuarta:

they should be shot

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juski:

easier to slap him & tell him to get a bloody clue

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k-man:

my m920x usb tuner needs some firmware

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k-man:

is there somewhere I can just download it?

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juski:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox . . . oogle+Search

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k-man:

yeah

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k-man:

thanks mate

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juski:

google is teh awesome!

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Hugolp:

google watch you

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d00gster:

can someone tell me how to fix this http://www.pastebin.ca/621433

[11:53:14]

juski:

use a binary package? :-P

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stuarta:

that compiles just fine here, what you doing that's special?

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stuarta:

have any local patches applied?

[11:55:05]

stuarta:

like say the one to make echostar work?

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stuarta:

sorry, dishnet

[11:56:44]

stuarta:

yes, that will be your problem

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stuarta:

ticket #3373 has been closed, but the original patch had Mutate() as a void function, and it's been committed as a bool function

[11:57:35]

stuarta:

remove local patches and rebuild

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d00gster:

ok

[11:57:51]

stuarta:

or get a clean checkout

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d00gster:

ok thanks

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k-man:

once I have my usb-dvb drivers loading and detecting the tuners, should mythtv just detect it or do I need to do something else?

[12:05:56]

juski:

auto what? ;)

[12:06:33]

janneg:

k-man: you have to configure mythtv

[12:06:42]

juski:

you need to tell mythtv about the tuner(s) – like every howto tells you

[12:07:07]

k-man:

yeah

[12:07:09]

k-man:

ok

[12:07:12]

k-man:

thats what I was wondering

[12:10:25]

juski:

ffs test the tuner hardware works in linux first though.

[12:12:54]

k-man:

yeah

[12:12:57]

k-man:

i'm about ti

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k-man:

ffs!

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laga:

!!!

[12:15:20]

k-man:

by the way, i wasn't trying to put on a scottish accent, it was just a typo

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juski:

hoots mon!

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Dibblah:

juski: Where?

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androoo:

perhaps a stupid questiona bout remote controlls, is it possible to buy a receiver only and use my phillips pronto remote (a remote i can program) ? Idealy a really small receiver i can stick inside the case (which can see daylight through one of its vents or something)

[12:24:11]

Dagmar:

Yeah

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juski:

androoo: easiest to do that with a serial port receiver

[12:24:49]

juski:

the USB ones have micros inside which can (not necessarily will) limit the amount of different codes they can receive

[12:24:54]

androoo:

like this one http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Irblastersample.jpg ? is there a usb one available?

[12:25:10]

androoo:

oh you just answered my question before i could type ;)

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juski:

androoo: ah a pronto – you can program that to be ANY remote though

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juski:

so yes would the answer you seek :)

[12:25:41]

planktonboy:

hi all

[12:25:45]

planktonboy:

juski :)

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androoo:

yeah .. im just not sure what i am buying ;-)

[12:25:51]

juski:

it'll work with *any* receiver if you program it properly

[12:26:08]

androoo:

programmed in Lirc? or you mean the pronto

[12:26:12]

androoo:

pronto is easy :)

[12:26:34]

planktonboy:

still getting an error on make when building myththemes svn

[12:26:45]

juski:

I mean the pronto of course androoo

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k-man:

looks like its working

[12:27:04]

k-man:

my usb tuner that is

[12:27:12]

juski:

planktonboy: just cp the dirs & delete .svn & drud

[12:27:29]

androoo:

where can i buy a usb receiver then ..... well i mean any recommendations ;)

[12:27:52]

androoo:

heh ebay failed me :)

[12:27:57]

juski:

androoo: the Microsoft MCE remote :-P

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planktonboy:

juski, ok will try thaqt again, I think I must have got that wrong then yesterday

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k-man:

androoo, are you in Australia?

[12:28:11]

androoo:

k-man, uk

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k-man:

androoo, oh.. do you mean an IR receiver? or a tuner?

[12:28:32]

androoo:

juski, right was trying to avoid such a big device that might not be easy to hide

[12:28:36]

juski:

k-man: he said an IR receiver & meant it

[12:28:55]

juski:

androoo: the dongle is big – AFAIK the innards ain't ;)

[12:28:59]

androoo:

k-man, the IR receiver, i have a Nebula tuner and a Hauppaige nova-t 909

[12:29:06]

k-man:

sorry, missed that bit

[12:29:17]

androoo:

juski, good point ;-)

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androoo:

i will see how brave i am .. it might be best sourcing a Serial one and connecting it right to the motherbaord internally

[12:30:02]

k-man:

i just bought an mce remote

[12:30:05]

k-man:

it looks nice

[12:30:08]

planktonboy:

juski, sorry...what were those commands again to copy the dirs, I got a bit confused with that yesterday

[12:30:22]

k-man:

but debian isn't playing nicely with lirc at the moment

[12:30:24]

androoo:

i have to say it has a certain ring to it using MS hardware on linux <grin>

[12:30:28]

k-man:

so configuring it is a bit of a pain

[12:30:51]

k-man:

androoo, are you using debian?

[12:31:00]

androoo:

ubuntu

[12:31:03]

subx:

i uninstalled mythtv using --purge

[12:31:19]

subx:

installed it again but its still using old components

[12:31:23]

subx:

when i use: mythtfilldatabase it says

[12:31:29]

subx:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

[12:31:35]

subx:

i removed mythtv from the databse

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juski:

planktonboy: using svn export is the cleanest way. e.g. you checked out myththemes into your home dir, so you could do.. "cd /usr/share/mythtv/themes; svn export /home/$your-dir/myththemes "

[12:31:40]

androoo:

im actually following the book i bought that reommended ubuntu .... which yes a debian verient

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k-man:

androoo, there seems to be some issues compiling lirc-modules-source with later kernel versions

[12:32:03]

k-man:

androoo, not sure if it affects ubuntu though

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planktonboy:

ok will try that again

[12:32:10]

planktonboy:

thanks

[12:32:16]

androoo:

k-man, im using version 6.06 so might not run into that problem?

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k-man:

androoo, not sure about ubuntu versions but hopefuly you are right

[12:32:57]

androoo:

i bleive 7.02 is the latest version of ubuntu ... no idea of kernal versions, im not linux expert :)

[12:33:02]

subx:

does anybody know how to competley remove mythtv + all its components?

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stuarta:

7.04 is the latest ubuntu

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androoo:

i stand corrected ;-)

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planktonboy:

have to do with a sudo in front as its giving me permission denied to create myththemes dir

[12:37:18]

planktonboy:

juski ok done that, and then you said I have to delete the .svn folder and drud, whatever that is?

[12:37:36]

planktonboy:

I cant see the drud file

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planktonboy:

subx was it a packages install you used?

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juski:

planktonboy: if you used svn export, it only copies the working dirs & files, not .svn & shite ;)

[12:41:44]

juski:

planktonboy: bah you shouldnae have done the svn export on myththemes

[12:41:55]

juski:

shoulda been on myththemes/theme1 (eg)

[12:43:48]

juski:

still doesn't explain why ./configure etc isn't worky though

[12:44:29]

planktonboy:

juski yes, I orignally did a check out from svn trunk which gave an error on make, so then I did as you said and cd/usr/share/mythtv/themes, and did a sudo svn export /home/mythtv/mythtv-svn/myththemes

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planktonboy:

that seems to have copied ok

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planktonboy:

but just wandered if that was correct

[12:45:32]

juski:

but then you'd end up with /usr/share/mythtv/themes/myththemes IIRC which ain't what you want

[12:47:43]

planktonboy:

yeah it seems strange coz I havent changed anything else since the last successful update I did a few weeks back

[12:48:48]

juski:

sudo mv myththemes/* .

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subx:

planktonboy: ive deleted the databases, removed and deleted mythtv related files using apt-get remove --purge and by manually doing it. but for some odd reason mythfilldatabase keeps on registering a old database user

[12:49:28]

willcooke:

OT question> Has anyone else had weird permission problems with XFS?

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subx:

mythfilldatabase

[12:49:52]

subx:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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subx:

i deleted mythtv user from the database ages ago..

[12:50:08]

subx:

i want it to use root

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juski:

subx: that was silly

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planktonboy:

subx, hmm not sure about that

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subx:

what was silly?

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fryfrog:

mysql.txt?

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juski:

subx: so edit ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt to reflect the login details

[12:50:37]

Dagmar:

subx: What you're trying to do

[12:50:39]

Dagmar:

BAD MONKEY!

[12:50:40]

fryfrog:

and why would you let it use root?

[12:50:42]

Dagmar:

NO BANNANA!

[12:51:03]

subx:

basically, a xmltv script just didnt work with mythtv user so i thought id change it to root user instead

[12:51:06]

Dagmar:

MythTV should _not_ be using the root account for MySQL

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fryfrog:

it isn't exactly *hard* to have a specific user for each db, and doesn't myth go so far as to create it?

[12:51:24]

fryfrog:

or maybe thats only certain distro's passages

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Dagmar:

subx: The system account 'root' and the Mysql account 'root' are not the same thing

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subx:

thanks juski

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planktonboy:

juski, nope doesnt work at all

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laga:

xmltv shouldn't access your mythconverg database (?)

[12:52:10]

planktonboy:

still same error

[12:52:31]

planktonboy:

but why would that happen if I can build mythtv and mythplugins fine

[12:53:01]

planktonboy:

but with this myththemes I keep getting the error

[12:53:05]

planktonboy:

mythtv@PVRPC2:~/mythtv-svn/myththemes$ makeccache g++ -o myththemes dummy.o -lpthread

[12:53:05]

planktonboy:

g++: No such file or directory

[12:53:05]

planktonboy:

make: *** [myththemes] Error 1

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juski:

planktonboy: your svn checkout is in /home/plank/myththemes – do cd /usr/share/mythtv/themes (or /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes) then svn export /home/plank/myththemes/$whatevertheme

[12:53:34]

subx:

laga: i was using this XMLTV script: http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_id.php

[12:53:47]

juski:

planktonboy: have you tried just running make install ?

[12:54:07]

planktonboy:

juski, nope not yet...will try that

[12:54:13]

planktonboy:

ah yes I did

[12:54:18]

planktonboy:

yesterday

[12:54:28]

planktonboy:

and it just errored out

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planktonboy:

let me try again though

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fryfrog:

planktonboy: i don't think myththemes has a make, just "./configure && make install"

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juski:

maybe even sudo make install :-P

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planktonboy:

fryfrog ok

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fryfrog:

the "myththemes dummy.o" is the give away :)

[12:55:45]

planktonboy:

right

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laga:

subx: ah. i wouldn't necessarily call that "xmltv script" since it's not part of the XMLTV distribution

[12:56:40]

subx:

ive really buggered it up

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planktonboy:

yes I wrote down some instructions that I usually use and it def says to do a make which I must have done in the past, but then maybe it just eignred that before

[12:56:51]

planktonboy:

ignored I mean

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subx:

i was soo close to getting it working, it looks like i gotta reinstall the whole box again

[12:57:01]

planktonboy:

oh well I'll try without

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fryfrog:

planktonboy: there isn't anything *wrong* with doing make

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fryfrog:

it just doesn't do anything

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fryfrog:

i usually run make, mainly cause i forget :)

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** willcooke thinks xfs is broken **

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planktonboy:

yup thats what I meant

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planktonboy:

:)

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subx:

bollox

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planktonboy:

nope

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subx:

i cant believe ive spent 4 days setting up this box now i have to start again

[12:59:19]

planktonboy:

I am using checkinstall as I have done before without problems, but this time it aborts creating a package

[13:00:04]

planktonboy:

subx, yeah its a bummer sometimes, but like all of us at the start you learn more about things the hard way

[13:00:11]

subx:

yes true

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planktonboy:

I had to do it a few times to begin with and I still struggle

[13:00:41]

planktonboy:

:)

[13:00:55]

planktonboy:

such as RIGHT NOW

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planktonboy:

haha :)

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subx:

at least i know how to setup LIRC + ALSA

[13:01:43]

subx:

those were the most time consuming parts of it for me

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planktonboy:

subx are you using ubuntu

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subx:

root will be the user for the mythtv database this time

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juski:

arseburgers. signing up for google adsense & they wanna vet the application

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planktonboy:

:)

[13:04:40]

planktonboy:

the bastards

[13:05:21]

planktonboy:

anyway, no joy

[13:06:01]

planktonboy:

doing a make install just brings up the same error

[13:06:38]

juski:

sudo make install ?

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planktonboy:

Im just going to delete the myththemes dir in my home svn folder and then do another checkout from trunk for the myththemes

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juski:

try deleting the myththemes checkout & re-check it out

[13:07:12]

planktonboy:

juski, yup, no joy :(

[13:07:19]

planktonboy:

yes will do

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juski:

get themes aswell, not just those lame ones :-P

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subx:

planktonboy: debian etch minimal

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planktonboy:

yeas I noticed you had been putting your themes up yesterday and today :)

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planktonboy:

subx, ah

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** subx backups all configs like lircrc + lirc + xorg etc **

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juski:

putting them up? committing oodles of change-oes

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juski:

ah ffs I've got to draw an ATA100 cable

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subx:

the time is: 2:15pm lets see how long i can do it this time

[13:14:01]

juski:

if we had a pencil on a parts list I've every suspicion I'd have to draw that too

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Merlin83b2:

But with what? If you needed the pencil to draw the pencil...

[13:17:38]

Merlin83b2:

What came first, the pencil or the parts list?

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stuarta:

charcoal

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juski:

in the case of this company, blood

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planktonboy:

nope

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planktonboy:

no luck

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planktonboy:

just did a ./configure --prefix=/usr , then qmake myththemes.pro and finally a sudo checkinstall and got same error

[13:22:06]

planktonboy:

ccache gcc -c -pipe -Wall -W -O2 -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/default -I. -o dummy.o dummy.c

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planktonboy:

ccache g++ -o myththemes dummy.o -lpthread

[13:22:06]

planktonboy:

g++: No such file or directory

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planktonboy:

make: *** [myththemes] Error 1

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planktonboy:

**** Installation failed. Aborting package creation.

[13:22:08]

planktonboy:

Cleaning up...OK

[13:22:10]

planktonboy:

Bye.

[13:22:29]

planktonboy:

sorry forgot to paste in pastebin

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planktonboy:

what does that g++ No such file or directory line mean

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fryfrog:

try "which g++"?

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olds:

lol

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planktonboy:

ok

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olds:

you don't have g++ installed is my bet

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fryfrog:

wait, the qmake myththems.pro isn't needed, afaik?

[13:24:18]

juski:

it's all those comments in the xml preventing the compilation

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fryfrog:

just "./configure && make && make install"

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juski:

no make AFAIK

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fryfrog:

you don't even need to use ccache for it, if it isn't automatic

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planktonboy:

olds, but if I didnt, then how come I am able to build mythtv and mythplugins without a problem

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juski:

shouldn't do anything anyway, since there's nothing to build

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olds:

you tell me ;)

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fryfrog:

what did "which g++" say?

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planktonboy:

fryfrog, nothing

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olds:

...

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stuarta:

so install gcc

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fryfrog:

it didn't say "not found"?

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planktonboy:

no

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fryfrog:

you are using ubuntu?

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planktonboy:

yes

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olds:

which doesn't return 'not found' on my box

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fryfrog:

oh, ah i tried and you are right it is blank

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stuarta:

fryfrog: which doesn't say "not found" ever. that's a windows thing

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fryfrog:

somewhere, which has returned "blah not found in $PATH"

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stuarta:

no output = nothing found

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fryfrog:

or maybe that was... something else

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stuarta:

echo $? would print something != 0

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fryfrog:

sudo aptitude search g++

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olds:

I think it's in the build-essentials package

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stuarta:

sudo apt-get install gcc4

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fryfrog:

stuarta: yeah, i just did a which on my box and it was blank

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olds:

that includes some other compilers

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stuarta:

ah crap.

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stuarta:

gcc-4.1

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fryfrog:

build-essentials is prolly the best way to go

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stuarta:

good point

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planktonboy:

but I checked in synaptic and gcc is installed

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stuarta:

actually, apt-get build-dep mythtv

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olds:

that works too

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planktonboy:

and also g++

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fryfrog:

are you using ccache?

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juski:

planktonboy: if you built mythtv then you must have stuff you need

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planktonboy:

juski, thats exactly whats confusing me

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olds:

try compiling without the qmake step

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planktonboy:

it builds mythtv and mythplugins fine

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juski:

wonder if it's an ubunut-ism

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planktonboy:

olds, ok will try that

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juski:

I think I had bother with the themes IIRC – I ended up copying em or something

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fryfrog:

the crap you pasted mentions ccache, could it be that some how ccache is masking g++ from your path?

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olds:

I'm running ubuntu on 2 frontends and a backend, and never had an issue

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olds:

lemme see what mine says

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fryfrog:

yar, 7.04 here and i compile my own -fixes svn

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fryfrog:

though i don't use ccache

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olds:

I use trunk

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

what is plank using?

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planktonboy:

fryfrog, trunk

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fryfrog:

ah

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olds:

gcc -c -pipe -Wall -W -O2 -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/default -I. -o dummy.o dummy.c

[13:32:24]

olds:

g++ -o myththemes dummy.o -lpthread

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olds:

that's all mine says

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fryfrog:

well, i'm still pretty sure that qmake isn't used anymore

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fryfrog:

or, if it is... it is run by make

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planktonboy:

I'll try without qmake

[13:33:29]

juski:

in anycase, svn export on the theme dirs should work damnit

[13:35:18]

fryfrog:

man, is there *any* site on the pipes better than icanhascheezburger?

[13:36:30]

planktonboy:

fryfrog, what is ccache, and how do I check if its being used then

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fryfrog:

09:22 < planktonboy> ccache gcc -c -pipe -Wall -W -O2 -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/default -I. -o dummy.o dummy.c

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fryfrog:

that is why i assume you use ccache

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fryfrog:

sudo aptitude search ccache should tell you more

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planktonboy:

k, thanks, will do

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planktonboy:

right, I understand that a bit more, thanks

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planktonboy:

it is installed I guess by default on fiesty

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fryfrog:

not on mine

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planktonboy:

no?

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fryfrog:

though both of mine are upgrades from ummm

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fryfrog:

what was before fiesty?

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fryfrog:

edgy?

[13:40:15]

olds:

yar

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planktonboy:

I wonder if it installed on apt-get build-dep mythtv

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fryfrog:

if you don't do much compiling (ie, you don't have gentoo), you can probably get rid of ccache

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planktonboy:

yeah it might be worth a try

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planktonboy:

different errors now

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planktonboy:

nope

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planktonboy:

darned irritating this old chap

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planktonboy:

:)

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zntneo:

sigh, i can't get my mythtv listings to map to the correct channels

[13:54:08]

zntneo:

my discovery channel on the listings is E!

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zntneo:

anyone have any idea why this is?

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juski:

PEBCAK

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zntneo:

?

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planktonboy:

going to try an earlier svn revision of myththemes and see if that builds ok

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planktonboy:

nope

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planktonboy:

so there must be a problem with something that has installed since the last time I compiled

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fryfrog:

did you sudo aptitude remove ccache?

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planktonboy:

fryfrog, yes

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fryfrog:

and "which g++" still returns nothing?

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planktonboy:

yes]

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planktonboy:

nothing

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fryfrog:

sudo aptitude show g++

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fryfrog:

shows "installed"?

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fryfrog:

maybe try "sudo aptitude reinstall g++"

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planktonboy:

ok, yes thats an idea

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planktonboy:

ok did that, but when I try to install myththemes, it now comes up with ccache g++ -o myththemes dummy.o -lpthread

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planktonboy:

make: ccache: Command not found

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planktonboy:

make: *** [myththemes] Error 127

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planktonboy:

**** Installation failed. Aborting package creation.

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juski:

this question about qt4 being planed on the -dev list – would that be to make it a smooth transition? ;)

[14:12:46]

willcooke:

juski, are your themes in svn themes?

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juski:

themes, not myththemes

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willcooke:

gotya. ta

[14:14:12]

** willcooke loves the svn **

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zntneo:

so no one has any idea why my listings aren't mapping channels correctly?

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fryfrog:

did you re-run ./configure?

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planktonboy:

fryfrog, yes

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fryfrog:

weird :/

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fryfrog:

reintall ccache :)

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planktonboy:

going to try with ccache again now that I've reinstalled g++

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planktonboy:

yup

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planktonboy:

see if that works

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willcooke:

planktonboy, Have you installed "build-essential"?

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planktonboy:

willcooke, yup

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** willcooke goes back to sleep **

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planktonboy:

its a strange thing coz I have built mythtv and mythplugins and they compiled and installed completely fine

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planktonboy:

but for some reason myththemes is bugging out during the make and or make install, have tried all combinations now :)

[14:18:01]

subx:

it took me 10 seconds to get LIRC working

[14:18:09]

subx:

10 seconds to get ALSA working

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subx:

..easy when u know how

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subx:

but do i understand how it all works?

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stuarta:

planktonboy: could just do touch dummy.o

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stuarta:

and touch myththemes

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planktonboy:

ok

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planktonboy:

will try that thanksw

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planktonboy:

its coming up with a slightly different error now anyway, but will try that

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juski:

time to fark orf!

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planktonboy:

didnt work

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planktonboy:

Im getting a bit fed up with this now :)

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planktonboy:

bloody thing

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planktonboy:

just cant think what could have changed since the last time I updated

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planktonboy:

oh well

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planktonboy:

later juski :)

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planktonboy:

have a good one

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planktonboy:

no good

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subx:

should mythfilldatabase be run as root?

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planktonboy:

yes

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planktonboy:

sudo mythfilldatabase --quiet

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planktonboy:

or not quiet as the case may be

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subx:

Ticket_1 : The QT default is not helpful, u cannot tell if those square little boxes are meant to be on or off. The default theme should be windows, the one what uses little ticks.

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subx:

Ticket_2: The OSD theme settings should be in the appearance menu together with the themes

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planktonboy:

Ive had enough for 1 day

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planktonboy:

back to the old version

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subx:

u cant beat the theme 'retro'

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planktonboy:

cant get this damned myththemes to buid

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subx:

my favourite

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subx:

im just gonna use EIT to update guide

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subx:

it works good

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willcooke:

is it me, or does the latest svn for mytharchive fail to compile?

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willcooke:

not complaining, just making sure I haven't done something silly.

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willcooke:

oh, wait I think it's ffmpeg related

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willcooke:

gah! h264 again

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willcooke:

no – I was wrong, it's not h264, it's avformat.h

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** stuarta hax0rs the EIT fixups for fun **

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planktonboy:

later all, off to have a break from this before it gets to me :)

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planktonboy:

hehe

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planktonboy:

will get there eventually for sure

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planktonboy:

:)

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planktonboy:

thanks for all the help though

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planktonboy:

appreciated :)

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planktonboy:

bbl

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: :)

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willcooke:

How can this be? I've just svn updated mythplugins on two separate boxes (both say at rev. 13951) but the configure files are different. e.g. mythmovies is missing from one and mythdvd from the other

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: its not mini-atx

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stuarta:

that's weird

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willcooke:

and I've just rf -rf *'d the mythplugins dir, and re-downloaded.

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willcooke:

rm -rf'd not rf -rf!

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willcooke:

mythzoneminder dir. on one box, not on the other

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Cry_wolf2:

Is there some way to turn off lircd output to syslog ??

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Cry_wolf2:

..in debian with init.d-starter

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willcooke:

OT Question > Can I NOHUP a process that's already running?

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Pryon:

man kill

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Pryon:

doh

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Pryon:

Sorry. My brain is running sideways.

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kury:

how do I clear all my mysql and start over from scratch? it seems to think I have set a password but I'm pretty sure I haven't...

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xris:

kury: you using ubuntu?

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kury:

gentoo

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xris:

odd. I think only ubuntu auto-sets a password

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xris:

can you get in as root?

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Pryon:

/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt?

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kury:

not following any of the commands here http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV

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xris:

kury: mysql -u root -p

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Cry_wolf2:

wee, tv on laptop trough wifi

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Cry_wolf2:

This is the start of a beautiful friendship :=)

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juski:

til somebody turns their microwave oven on, or gets their own wireless network next door, or.. :-P

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Cry_wolf2:

well, wpa 2 and microwaveowens are much better nowadays. My old killed it but the new one is not messing the wifi up.

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Cry_wolf2:

Beryl seams to block fullscreen :(

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juski:

beryl is still beta AFAIK

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Cry_wolf2:

might be, but that does not help :=) But easy workaroud

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Cry_wolf2:

*away*

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jhatch:

So... anyone using mythtv with (dish/directv) successfully? Any way to do it without an irblaster?

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juski:

jhatch: serial port...

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clever:

getting some odd autio problems

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juski:

you need a STB, that's the crux of the matter I'm afraid. No *legal* way to do it otherwise

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clever:

audio*

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clever:

if the backend is recording tv

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clever:

playback thru the sound card is slowed down

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Staticwave_Ace:

what kind of soundcard?

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clever:

pci

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jhatch:

juski, yeah, I was planning on using an STB I just think an IR blaster is a bit of a hack. :) I thought these things didn't have a serial port or something.

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Staticwave_Ace:

clever: what *kind* of soundcard

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clever:

0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 12)

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clever:

was checking lspci

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** jhatch wants to stay as legal as possible **

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clever:

mythtv@theP4:~$ cat /dev/dsp1 > /dev/null

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clever:

that causes the same problem but much worse

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Staticwave_Ace:

clever: integrated or card?

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clever:

pci

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clever:

the onboard card is seperate

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clever:

dsp1 is the pci intel card

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Staticwave_Ace:

whats the brand?

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clever:

intel i beleive

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Staticwave_Ace:

I don't think they sell cards

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Staticwave_Ace:

its an AC97, so there's a fair amount of software processing

[17:09:31]

Staticwave_Ace:

what kind of power is behind the machine?

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clever:

1.6ghz

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juski:

jhatch: AFAIK some sat receivers have serial ports, as do some cable boxes

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Staticwave_Ace:

clever: and the /dev/dsp0 works fine?

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clever:

does it also have alot of software work for recording?

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jams:

some being the key word

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clever:

nothing is wired to dsp0 atm

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jhatch:

oooh, found a good wiki page on that subject... Some even can be controlled by USB.. :) Thanks juski.

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** clever rewires it **

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Staticwave_Ace:

clever: if you're having issues with that card, why not try/switch to the onboard?

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jhatch:

I've seen cable boxen with serial / firewire... just not sat...

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clever:

i was using that pci card for just tv out

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clever:

and the onboard for the desk speakers

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Staticwave_Ace:

I'm wondering, does anyone know how to make myth think dvd ripping is non-idle?

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jams:

i know some of the older directtv has serial

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** clever reconfig's mythtv to use the other card to re test **

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Staticwave_Ace:

clever: ah, dual use machine

[17:11:07]

clever:

yeah

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clever:

:0.0 is the desk

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clever:

:0.1 is the tv

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Staticwave_Ace:

clever: are you capturing your sound via the card input?

[17:11:23]

clever:

using the sound card's input to capture sound

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clever:

didnt bother trying to mess with btaudio

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Staticwave_Ace:

and you say its "slow"?

[17:12:02]

Staticwave_Ace:

like the sync is wrong?

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Staticwave_Ace:

or something else

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clever:

the freq's are lower and the playback takes longer

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Staticwave_Ace:

clever: are you perhaps recording and playing at different frequencies

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clever:

yeah and the playback could be sending data at freq a and playing at b

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clever:

i could use 1 card for play and 1 for record

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Staticwave_Ace:

thats what I was thinking

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Staticwave_Ace:

I don't know anything about btaudio, but can it capture directly or somesuch?

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clever:

im using an external tuner

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clever:

so the audio is allready out of the case(not using loopback)

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Staticwave_Ace:

anyone know how to check if a dvd-rip is running via the command line?

[17:15:05]

Staticwave_Ace:

or alternately, why myth considers that to still be idle?

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clever:

ive moved the wires to the onboard card(/dev/dsp)

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clever:

and ive changed all the mythtv settings to use /dev/dsp

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Staticwave_Ace:

clever: does it play correctly?

[17:15:53]

clever:

test mp3 by itself plays fine

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Staticwave_Ace:

did a test mp3 play correctly on the other one?

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clever:

yes when by itself

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clever:

streaming livetv to a remote frontend works(record by itself is fine)

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clever:

playing mp3 while recording is fine

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clever:

on the onboard card

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clever:

seems 'fixed'

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Staticwave_Ace:

perhaps you could just switch uses

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Staticwave_Ace:

use the onboard for myth

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Staticwave_Ace:

and the other for desktop

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clever:

yeah

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Staticwave_Ace:

it all depends on if you really want to know why it didn't work

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Staticwave_Ace:

heh

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clever:

what kind of cpu power would a ac97 use?

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Staticwave_Ace:

I wouldn't think it would be a lot

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Staticwave_Ace:

but it could be the specific card

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clever:

that could be half my cpu usage problem(other half is the frame grabber)

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Staticwave_Ace:

yeah, I'm just thinking it may be a high cpu issue

[17:19:02]

Staticwave_Ace:

but thats just speculation

[17:19:10]

Staticwave_Ace:

I have AC97 onboard and its never caused issues

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clever:

mpeg4 streaming to a remote frontend while recording it

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clever:

no audio problems on either

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clever:

seems fixed:)

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Staticwave_Ace:

ah good :)

[17:19:58]

clever:

just need to modify my mplayer settings

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clever:

-profile tvmode is set to use the 'wrong' alsa device now

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Staticwave_Ace:

I'd like to give stepmania a good kick for not honouring alsa settings

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clever:

yeah i chose to leave the onboard as the desk speakers

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clever:

since it was default for 99% of the programs

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clever:

less to mess with

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clever:

atm half my programs may go to the tv until i reconfig them

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clever:

tvmode on mplayer fixed:)

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clever:

mythtv@theP4:~$ mplayer -profile tvmode /media/allmusic/theP4/Ozzy\ Osbourne\ -\ Crazy\ Train.mp3

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clever:

the profile automaticaly forces it to the proper sound card and :0.1 and fullscreen

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clever:

mixer=mixer2

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clever:

that may be off now...

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clever:

yep

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clever:

mythtv probly has it wrong also

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clever:

fixed mplayer mixer

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clever:

seems all fixed:)

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zntneo:

so anyone ever have problems with their listings not being lined up with the correct channel?

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brando1:

Looking for some satellite options for mythtv. I have 4 hd tuners but I'm moving and the new place has a mountain blocking OTA and no cable is available so I'm going to be forced to use satellite. From reading threads it sounds like directTV is a bad way to go and dishTV is my best option. I can't find a definitive answer on which set top sat box to get that will work the best for me. I need atleast 4 of them though, any ideas?

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brando1:

sat->firewire->myth though, has to be HD.

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Staticwave_Ace:

wow, thats hefty

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brando1:

I love Myth. ;)

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chandoo:

hi :)

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chandoo:

is anyone there build a micro atx for the tv purpose

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brando1:

chandoo: I've build some as clients

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chandoo:

brando1: can you recommend me the good hardware

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Staticwave_Ace:

hrmm, I wonder if the shuttle sff machines are mini or micro

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chandoo:

i have 1900x1080 resolution lcd tv

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brando1:

chandoo: SD or HD capable? VGA/DVI or do you want onboard composite out?

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chandoo:

1080p so i want a option to put some good graphics card

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chandoo:

hdmi

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brando1:

chandoo: onboard optical or coax audio?

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chuk:

I have one of these:

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chuk:

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813138061

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chuk:

works great

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kormoc:

brando1, Uhh, as far as I knew, both Dish and Direct lock down the firewire ports (and they legally are allowed to) and thus there is no way to get HD from them

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chuk:

I also have one of these: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813135049

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chuk:

avoid that one like the plague

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brando1:

kormoc: I thought some boxes had open firewire ports?

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chandoo:

brando1: optical

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chuk:

any of the boards with the nvidia 7050 chipset will be good for you IMO

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brando1:

chandoo: still looking, newegg had one but I don't see it now

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chandoo:

chuk: dvi-d good or hdmi is good? i am thinking hdmi is good option

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chuk:

I use hdmi

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chuk:

I have used it with an hdmi tv and a dvi tv

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chuk:

both worked fine

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chuk:

with the right cable of course

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chandoo:

in hdmi can i also get audio in single hdmi cale

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brando1:

chuk hdmi is just DVI with audio and a smaller form factor, you can get a dvi->hdmi adapter

[17:58:04]

chuk:

yes, in theory, but I have not been able to get the audio to work under linux

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** Staticwave_Ace could never get DVI->HDMI to work correctly **

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chandoo:

brando1: but i think if i use dvi-d i need to put another cable for audio

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chuk:

yes brando, but I have had some bad experiences where some stuff works fine with HDMI cable but not right with DVI

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Staticwave_Ace:

thankfully the TV has VGA

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chuk:

or vice versa

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chuk:

my point is this one worked great on everything I connected it to

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chuk:

an old plasma that has DVI but no HDCP

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chuk:

a projector with DVI and HDCP that has had problems with some STB's

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chuk:

and a newer lcd tv with HDMI

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chuk:

all worked no problem with the 7050

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chandoo:

chuk: so the mobo with hdmi worked great for you in linux?

[17:59:46]

chuk:

yup, except for audio over hdmi

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chuk:

but this is the first version of the nvidia driver that supports this chipset

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chandoo:

oh :(

[18:00:09]

chuk:

so I imagine that will come soon

[18:00:20]

chuk:

plus, most people don't actually use the audio from hdmi

[18:00:29]

chuk:

because they have a receiver, home theater, etc

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chandoo:

looks like there is no optical

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brando1:

if you have a projector you want to stay away from hdmi unless you want to spend extra money on a hdmi cable you won't use.

[18:01:01]

chuk:

the ATI 690G chipset is garbage for linux

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chuk:

well, they're not really any more $ than dvi

[18:01:35]

brando1:

there's a number of mini pci or pci soundcards with optical that you can use on boards with no optical out

[18:01:35]

chuk:

and they are a lot easier to run through the walls

[18:02:19]

chandoo:

in my tv i have optical and i have optical on my amd machine

[18:02:19]

brando1:

chuk: true on the fishing. There's a local retailer selling dvi cables for about $1 a foot and hdmi for $2 a foot so it's double price locally.

[18:02:28]

chandoo:

i connected them both but nothing happened

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kormoc:

brando1, my quick googling seems to say that people have them but they didn't actually get any data via them

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brando1:

does your tv have coax audio in?

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chuk:

I get them from monoprice for around $1 per foot

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chandoo:

brando1: i am not sure

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brando1:

kormoc: the myth wiki says people have been able to get signal on some and channel changing on most, but there's no good summary of "this one works better", which is kind of what I'm hoping to find

[18:03:28]

chandoo:

i use vizio 47" 1080p bought recently

[18:03:35]

kormoc:

brando1, heh, fair 'nuff

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chandoo:

but with my current system 1080p is not working in linux, i have two nvidia 6600gt cards

[18:04:40]

Massif:

can anyone recommend a good socket 754 microATX that has AGP and is not VIA chipset?

[18:04:43]

chandoo:

i learned 1080p is currently not working with nvidia cards

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brando1:

chandoo: just so you know, optical isn't any better than coax, comparing the two comes down to the internals of the sound card 100x more than it does the transfer method (unless you're talking 50+ feet of fiber or coax cable)

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chandoo:

okay

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brando1:

chandoo: I setup 1080p on 4 projectors and nvidia 6200's.

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chandoo:

brando1: how did you do that

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chandoo:

i am not able to get more than 720p and my image is going off screen in 720p

[18:06:23]

chandoo:

do you like to see my xorg.conf?

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brando1:

chandoo: it's trial and error

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brando1:

chandoo: one sec.

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chandoo:

http://rafb.net/p/qApTrF94.html

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chandoo:

can you also post your xrog.conf file

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chandoo:

i feel very sad for not able to use my lcd panel for linux

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chandoo:

vista does 1080p great with out any problems

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AndyCap:

chandoo: could you also put up the output of X -logverbose 6 ?

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kormoc:

chandoo, 1080p works fine with nvidia drivers, you just likely need to set a proper mode line for your tv/projector

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AndyCap:

since that tells how the driver selects the output mode

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chandoo:

AndyCap: do i need to stop X server

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AndyCap:

chandoo: to run X -logverbose 6 ? yes. (and ctrl-alt-backspace to kill X after it's started)

[18:10:10]

chandoo:

kormoc: pls check my xorg.conf file and recommend me what i need to do

[18:10:38]

brando1:

chandoo: join #flood and I'll past a bunch of my 1080p settings

[18:10:41]

chandoo:

AndyCap: i am away from home now and accessing my system remotely

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AndyCap:

chandoo: I guess you could run X -logverbose 6 :1 to start a X server on a different screen.

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fryfrog:

why don't you use pastebin?

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brando1:

chandoo or just msg me actually

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AndyCap:

chandoo: ok. Ctrl-C kill's it from the ssh session.

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armbar:

hi

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Massif:

hi

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AndyCap:

chandoo: why do you have a metamodes 1440x900 line there? is that a second display?

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chandoo:

briand: do i need to use the same stuff for mine

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chandoo:

AndyCap: yes i have samsung panel for my desktop which is 1440x900

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brando1:

chandoo msg me please

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AndyCap:

chandoo: ok then. :)

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chandoo:

Ahh how to do dcc in irssi

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AndyCap:

brando1: you know, pastebin's were made to make this easier?

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chandoo:

dcc brando1

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brando1:

http://pastebin.com/m774cdaad

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chandoo:

brando1: you can also use http://rafb.net/paste/

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brando1:

If none of those work let me know (I run the linux htpc howto, so my e-mails posted there) I haven't found a monitor yet that one of those won't work with.

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AndyCap:

brando1: well, you can borrow mine. :>

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brando1:

andycap: try those, one should work. :) If not tell me and I'll try to make one for you but I need _all_ the monitor specs.

[18:16:48]

AndyCap:

brando1: Nah, I suspect it's the graphics card's fault actually.

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chandoo:

brando1: i use this tv pls see the link http://www.vizio.com/products/detail.aspx?pid=20

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chandoo:

can you please help me what entries i have to made fro my tv

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AndyCap:

chandoo: did you get the /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?

[18:18:34]

AndyCap:

"This is one of the largest available Full HD 1080P LCD HDTV's available." cough*cough*

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brando1:

chandoo: just try the various modes I posted and let me know if they don't work, then I'll be glad to make a modeline but I don't have time to really dig up all the specs. :(

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chandoo:

AndyCap: i have that file

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Dagmar:

That's okay because the wiki tells how to generate a modeline

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AndyCap:

chandoo: from running X with -logverbose 6?

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brando1:

chandoo: I've done 4 projectors and about 30 lcd's and they all work with multiple of those 1080p lines if they're a 1080p display.

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chandoo:

AndyCap: shall i kill X and run X -logverbose 6 in terminal

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AndyCap:

chandoo: if you can

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chandoo:

will that do

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chandoo:

okay i will do that

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chandoo:

manually

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chandoo:

i dont know how to restart X from terminal mode

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AndyCap:

chandoo: hehe. what distro?

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chandoo:

AndyCap: fc7

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chandoo:

AndyCap: i kill X and ran that command and last line i see is (II) Module already built-in

[18:23:20]

AndyCap:

init 3, run X , kill it with ctrl-C, init 5 to start X again

[18:23:34]

AndyCap:

chandoo: ok. Ctrl-C, then copy the log,

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AndyCap:

chandoo: before you restart X again. :) forgot to mention that

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chandoo:

http://rafb.net/p/fwWq2Q89.html

[18:24:34]

chandoo:

AndyCap: check that link

[18:25:02]

AndyCap:

chandoo: that's not the /var/log/Xorg.0.log :)

[18:25:41]

chandoo:

AndyCap: it is so big

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chandoo:

can i ft some where

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chandoo:

or pls send me dcc

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AndyCap:

chandoo: http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/2839 There's this.

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chandoo:

AndyCap hold on i am sending to rafb.net

[18:31:29]

chandoo:

AndyCap: it doesnt work

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris

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chandoo:

AndyCap: u there

[18:32:36]

AndyCap:

chandoo: yeah.

[18:32:46]

chandoo:

pls bear with me iam using command line irc client

[18:32:56]

chandoo:

are you receiving my file

[18:32:56]

stuarta:

chandoo: they are the best :)

[18:33:24]

AndyCap:

chandoo: hmm, not sure. didn't seem to work.

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planktonboy:

hi all

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AndyCap:

chandoo: care to try again?

[18:35:19]

AndyCap:

no success..

[18:36:26]

planktonboy:

if I want to build svn packages so that I can then just install that same package on all my machines, is there anything particular I have to do to make is distributable amongst them all

[18:37:00]

AndyCap:

chandoo: http://pastebin.ca/upload.php But your log is a little too big..

[18:37:30]

chandoo:

you able to receive?

[18:37:34]

AndyCap:

chandoo: no

[18:37:44]

chandoo:

DCC aborted sending file Xorg.0.log for AndyCap

[18:37:48]

chandoo:

i got that message

[18:38:09]

planktonboy:

oops...brb..then will ask again

[18:38:11]

AndyCap:

chandoo: maybe your firewall doesn't want to cooperate?

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chandoo:

i dont have firewall

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AndyCap:

chandoo: cut off the beginning and end of your log. Before it loads Nvidia, and after it has selected a mode?

[18:40:10]

AndyCap:

chandoo: then upload it to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php ?

[18:40:45]

chandoo:

okay

[18:41:06]

AndyCap:

chandoo: your firewall/nat gateway breaks it. : DCC SEND from chandoo [192.168.99.100 port 34131]

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chandoo:

wooooooow how did you get that info

[18:42:14]

AndyCap:

chandoo: your client told me. :)

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fryfrog:

OMG EMERGENCY HE KNOWS YOU USE THE 192.168.x.x private ip range!

[18:43:45]

fryfrog:

you're screwed :)

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** Staticwave_Ace eyes AndyCap's black as the dark of night hat **

[18:49:18]

Staticwave_Ace:

anyone using mythwelcome to allow timeout/shutdown of mythtv?

[18:49:59]

chandoo:

AndyCap: it is there finally

[18:50:02]

chandoo:

http://rafb.net/p/tEroH752.html

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chandoo:

pls check

[18:50:23]

fryfrog:

Staticwave_Ace: is that a svn trunk thing?

[18:53:17]

AndyCap:

chandoo: so what have you connected to the card now? 1 or 2 monitors?

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Staticwave_Ace:

fryfrog: nope, its in 0.20

[18:54:58]

fryfrog:

how do you use/run it?

[18:55:04]

Staticwave_Ace:

"mythwelcome"

[18:55:15]

Staticwave_Ace:

you would run it instead of frontend

[18:55:19]

fryfrog:

ah, neat

[18:55:25]

Staticwave_Ace:

and it allows the system to idle and shutdown

[18:55:27]

chandoo:

AndyCap: one monitor

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Staticwave_Ace:

also has the configuration stuff for mythshutdown

[18:55:42]

fryfrog:

i'll have to try that tonight

[18:55:50]

fryfrog:

know of any screenshots / wiki entry for it?

[18:55:52]

Staticwave_Ace:

fryfrog: it works great with nvram-wakeup and such

[18:56:00]

Staticwave_Ace:

fryfrog: "mythwelcome" on the wiki should help :)

[18:56:03]

chandoo:

can i parallelly use both the cards for different monitors

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Staticwave_Ace:

also, for anyone in the future who needs to paste large logfiles and such google "wgetpaste"

[18:57:03]

Staticwave_Ace:

its quite useful

[18:57:04]

AndyCap:

chandoo: So you want one card for the samsung and one card for the big screen?

[18:57:05]

chandoo:

AndyCap: right now i dont know if sli mode is working in linux or not

[18:57:21]

chandoo:

yes

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chandoo:

or both the cards for one screen will do

[18:57:59]

AndyCap:

chandoo: are you going to do a lot of 3d on this? dunno if SLI is worthwhile otherwise

[18:58:16]

chandoo:

no AndyCap

[18:58:36]

Staticwave_Ace:

fryfrog: the only issue I have with it right now, is that myth doesn't seem to know that ripping a dvd is *not* idle

[18:58:38]

chandoo:

my understanding is video screen refresh will be faster if i use two cards

[18:59:27]

fryfrog:

Ah, so that seems to be for people with a FE/BE that they don't want on all the time.

[18:59:40]

fryfrog:

I have a seperate FE, the BE is on all the time no problemo

[18:59:45]

chandoo:

AndyCap: to be frank in linux i dont know right now if i am running sli mode or only single card is used for the display

[18:59:59]

Staticwave_Ace:

fryfrog: indeed, there's no need for my machine to be on when I'm not using it and its not recording

[19:00:03]

fryfrog:

then you probably aren't running SLI :)

[19:00:06]

chandoo:

in nvidia settings i can see both the cards

[19:00:10]

AndyCap:

chandoo: nvidia has an ok README.

[19:00:24]

Cry_wolf2:

juski ?

[19:01:05]

chandoo:

i am setting options sli auto in xorg.conf file and beliving sli is working, no knowldge of theesting

[19:01:59]

chandoo:

AndyCap: so are you helping me with 1080p setting's

[19:03:24]

AndyCap:

chandoo: I can try.

[19:03:36]

planktonboy:

hi fryfrog :)

[19:03:45]

chandoo:

i had a doubt

[19:03:48]

planktonboy:

thanks for the help earlier

[19:03:58]

chandoo:

do i need to copy this complete line?

[19:03:59]

chandoo:

xorg.confmodes-force: ModeLine "1080–60i-1" 74.25 1920 1960 2016 2200 1080 1082 1088 1125 Interlace #ATSC-STD

[19:04:06]

planktonboy:

not joy yet though

[19:04:25]

chandoo:

or the line starts from ModeLine

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AndyCap:

chandoo: first you need to set up a new card etc in the Xorg.conf.. perhaps using nvidia-settings to help you

[19:05:36]

planktonboy:

but I am going to try building on my other machine and sudo checkinstall to build packages that I can then install on my main myth pc

[19:05:49]

AndyCap:

chandoo: so that you actually have a card talking to the bigscreen..

[19:06:31]

chandoo:

AndyCap: okay

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planktonboy:

was just wondering though, is there anything I need to do about the processor specs, the one on my main mythtv pc is a Pentium 4 and the one I want to compile on is a Pentium M

[19:07:53]

chandoo:

AndyCap: these are the lines nvidia-settings writes to xorg.conf

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chandoo:

Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor1" VendorName "VIZIO" ModelName "Vizio" HorizSync 30.0 – 81.0 VertRefresh 56.0 – 75.0 Option "DPMS"

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chandoo:

EndSection

[19:08:22]

juski:

Cry_wolf2: what?!

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AndyCap:

chandoo: that's only the monitor section.. you need a device section as well. for the other card.

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AndyCap:

chandoo: ah, sorry I see you have two cards, but none of them have a PCIId

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Cry_wolf2:

Oh you are there. I just had a quick Q but i think i found the answer....mothvideo and second frontend...NFS or simular required ?

[19:12:18]

Cry_wolf2:

mythvideo that should be

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stuarta:

mothvideo is what we use in Rene's cafe in Allo Allo

[19:13:30]

chandoo:

AndyCap: let me reconnect

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chandoo:

will be back

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Cry_wolf2:

stuarta: Ah, viva la resistance

[19:15:04]

stuarta:

I shall sey zis only once...

[19:15:54]

Cry_wolf2:

But to my Q ?

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stuarta:

believe with mothvideo you need to nfs mount, but normal recordings will stream

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Cry_wolf2:

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chandoo:

Anduin,

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juski:

Cry_wolf2: same for mothgallery, mothmusak too

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juski:

but hey if you wanna make mythvideo, mythgallery & mythmusic into UPnP clients feel free :D

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stuarta:

then all we need is the backend to serve that content

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juski:

already serves the video & music IIRC

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juski:

not that I've ever seen that worky though. just don't have any compatible UPnP clients

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juski:

which totally blows away any advantage UPnP is meant to have

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juski:

Universal my arse!

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Cry_wolf2:

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chandoo:

AndyCap: hi

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chandoo:

i am unable to run nvidia-settings now, X says nvidia driver is not being used

[19:24:19]

chandoo:

i will do that

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juski:

stuarta: remember me mentioning the linux XBMC port? managed to build it on sunday. works great. doesn't play any media yet :-\

[19:25:51]

stuarta:

ahh

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Cry_wolf2:

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juski:

what there is runs well though :)

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chandoo:

there should be one more entry like Device 1

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juski:

apparently they're porting their port of mplayer back to linux – strange ;)

[19:26:54]

Dagmar:

Do you have a lot of polka uploaded to your home network by vandals or something?

[19:27:00]

juski:

Cry_wolf2: wait for the "ding" and try again :-P

[19:27:15]

Dagmar:

It's not often you see "works great" and "doesn't play any media" in the same place

[19:27:49]

juski:

Dagmar: porting a bunch of directX crap to work in opengl isn't a minor thing IMHO

[19:28:18]

juski:

esp. since it's really not very long since they announced their intent to port it

[19:29:03]

juski:

still a shame you can't run a damn thing without first downloading the leet binaries built with stolen tools & overwriting em

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Cry_wolf2:

juski: Increased the power from 28mW to 70mW on my ap instead....and now you made me hungry!

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voidmage-away:

I recently setup a new remote frontend and can't watch live tv on it. Everything else works fine but live tv gives: GetEntryAt(-1) failed.

[19:44:12]

voidmage-away:

EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo

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jams:

if you time off?

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voidmage-away:

the OS is reporting the time right

[19:46:18]

voidmage-away:

but on my frontend the bios time is set as GMT

[19:46:29]

voidmage-away:

on the backend i believe it's set to local time

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voidmage-away:

not sure how to set my frontend's bios to local time without messing up the time zones

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voidmage-away:

ah, found it

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jams:

?

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voidmage-away:

after i restart the frontend i'll get back and see if fixing the system time did it.

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voidmage-away:

fixed the time, frontend still isn't working

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voidmage-away:

same error

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voidmage-away:

hmm.

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voidmage-away:

i'll try restarting the backend

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voidmage-away:

brb

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voidmage-away:

nope

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voidmage-away:

still not working

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WattoDaToydarian:

Has mythweb been updated to support the new protocol 35?

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kormoc:

unlikely

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WattoDaToydarian:

Darn... :/

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voidmage-away:

in mythtv-setup what should i put for my ip address?

[20:27:34]

voidmage-away:

trying to setup my frontend to actually work with my backend

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chandoo:

AndyCap: i am home

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chandoo:

Do you want to play with settings now

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kormoc:

voidmage-away, the public ip (192.168.x.x usually)

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chandoo:

hi :)

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voidmage-away:

alright, fixed it.

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voidmage-away:

that's what i needed.

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voidmage-away:

looked in there and it still showed localhost

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voidmage-away:

now to get a better signal quality

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voidmage-away:

probably can't if it's hooked up to analog

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AndyCap:

chandoo: been a little busy here.

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SP3:

hiya all

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SP3:

who here could compile mythtv for me so i can try it on puppy linux v2.16 to see if it works

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SP3:

im still new to puppy linux and dont know how to compile

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** stuarta roflmao **

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stuarta:

SP3: download one of the liveCD's

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SP3:

ive got puppy linux v2.16 live cd

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SP3:

what other live cd do i need

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SP3:

stuarta: ?

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stuarta:

knoppmyth is one that contains mythtv for starters

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stuarta:

and there are several others

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stuarta:

mythbuntu is being developed

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stuarta:

there's also a mythdora

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SP3:

knoppmyth

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SP3:

ok is it huge dl?

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jams:

~600MB

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stuarta:

it's a CD AFAIK

[21:06:16]

SP3:

kewl

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SP3:

then ill hunt for it thru scroogle. org then dl it thru puppy linux much faster dlds in puppy linux thanks

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chuk:

I'm getting a "QSqlQuery::value: not positioned on a valid record" error

[21:09:04]

chuk:

anyone ever see that?

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chuk:

actually, I'm getting lots of them

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SP3:

downloading it

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SP3:

and it said to read manual before trying to install it

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stuarta:

reading the manual is *very* important

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stuarta:

you will not have a satisfactory mythtv experience without it

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SP3:

right

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will_:

Guys, help! I've just rebuilt my myth setup on to new hardware and latest svn. I've set up my MBE with two dvb tuners no problem, but my FE with 1 dvb tuner is causing problems. It sees the card (which I can use with tzap etc) and scans for the channels but when I fire up the FE and check the sys status it tells me the tuner is unavailable.

[21:14:32]

will_:

The other two tuners are there and work.

[21:14:42]

will_:

I've dropped the dbase and started again, but the same thing happened

[21:14:59]

will_:

Am I doing something silly, or is that just what I get for running svn?

[21:15:12]

SP3:

i got 40 megs already downloaded of it i believe

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SP3:

not bad eh

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SP3:

my download speeds in puppy linux rock on my 1.5 meg dsl connection over what i do get in windows

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will_:

a mythfrontend -v all didnt show any problems

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SP3:

54.44 megs downloaded that fast neato

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SP3:

70.99 mb

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chandoo:

is any one using vizio 47 inch 1080p tv

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SP3:

no

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** will_ smells a bug. **

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will_:

It looks to me like the latest svn can't distinguish between tuner 0 on one backend and tuner 0 on another

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chandoo:

hi

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chandoo:

can some one help me with hdtv modeline settings

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chandoo:

i am using vizio 47 1080p hdtv

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chandoo:

my resolution max is comming to 720p

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chuk:

what video card?

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chuk:

6100?

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chandoo:

chuk: 6600gt

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chandoo:

two cards

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chuk:

you use nvidia-settings?

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chandoo:

okay

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chuk:

do you?

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chandoo:

i used nvidia-setings, but i only shows max as 1024x720

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chandoo:

i am not getting more than that

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chuk:

not 1280x720?

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chuk:

your tv could be giving back bad EDID data

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chandoo:

sorry 1280x720

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chandoo:

can you guide me on fixing this

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chuk:

not exactly, but I would look into disabling EDID first

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chandoo:

how to do that

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chuk:

http://pastebin.ca/618634

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chuk:

I would start with just useedid = false

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chuk:

in your xorg.conf

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chuk:

then create a custom modeline

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chuk:

http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl

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chuk:

using that

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chandoo:

where i have to paste those lines

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chandoo:

under which section?

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chuk:

the useedid stuff goes under device

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chuk:

for your video card

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chandoo:

chuk

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chuk:

the modeline goes under monitor

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chandoo:

Option "ExactModeTimingsDVI" "True"

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chandoo:

i had thin in my file

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chandoo:

do i need to make it false?

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chuk:

I would just start with useedid = false

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chuk:

comment out the others

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chuk:

and start adding them in if useedid=false doesn't work

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chandoo:

http://rafb.net/p/Ks36GQ37.html

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chandoo:

chuk

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chandoo:

my xorg.conf file

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chandoo:

pls check

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chandoo:

and advice

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chuk:

I would comment out the other EDID lines for now

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chuk:

at the end of device

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chuk:

oh wait

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chuk:

you are editing in wrong driver spot

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chuk:

you have 2 in there

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chuk:

Device0 and Videocard0

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chuk:

Videocard0 is your default card

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chandoo:

shall i reove Deice0

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chandoo:

shall i remove

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chuk:

you can comment it out

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chuk:

I didn't notice it referenced anywhere else

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chuk:

but you need to put the EDID stuff in the Videocard0 section

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chandoo:

how about mode and metamodes

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chandoo:

chuk

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chuk:

add your custom res to the modes section

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chuk:

not entirely sure about metamodes

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chandoo:

like

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chuk:

try it without, then try it with

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chuk:

getting a diff res has been very much trial and error for me

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chuk:

and it has differed a lot based on what tv I was using

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chuk:

even with the same hardware

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chandoo:

let me restart and seeeeeeeee

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TUplink1:

um... is svn down???? svn: PROPFIND of '/svn/branches/release-0-20-fixes/mythtv': 501 Not Implemented (http://svn.mythtv.org)

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bjweeks:

if I have auto commercial flagging and autotrancode on it will run commflagging then transcoding, right?

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xris:

bjweeks: not sure why it would make a difference. could run both simultaneously...

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chuk:

it depends, you can tell it to run one before the other

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AndyCap:

TUplink1: or you have a proxy in between

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chuk:

commflag on a transcoded file will run faster

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chuk:

assuming the file the smaller now

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TUplink1:

no... no proxy

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Dibblah:

Does http://pastebin.ca/622541 look more correct to anyone else?

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AndyCap:

TUplink1: how do you know?

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xris:

chuk: flag != cut

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TUplink1:

um... cause i ran the thing like 2 weeks ago

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TUplink1:

:P

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chuk:

yeah, but if you commflag a 4 gig file vs a 1 gig one after its transcoded

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chuk:

the 1 gig file will commflag faster

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xris:

chuk: sorry, read that backwards... anyway, flag would be only be faster if the transcoded file was less compressed.

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xris:

it would also be less accurate

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AndyCap:

TUplink1: well it works for me. So how do you know for instance your isp didn't implement one?

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chuk:

yeah, I just know there is an option in the backend to transcode before commflagging

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chuk:

so you have to check it one or the other

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chuk:

I didn't know it would do both at the same time

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TUplink1:

if they did im gunna shit a brick

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TUplink1:

what is somthign else that i can svn any random program

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AndyCap:

Hope you have a solid bowl. :>

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AndyCap:

https://gmyth.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gmyth

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xris:

chuk: didn't say that it would. just that it was possible (you can run either process by hand/cron/etc)

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TUplink1:

ok.... svn co svn://linuxbios.org/repos/trunk/LinuxBIOSv2 is working

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TUplink1:

but mythtv wont

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AndyCap:

TUplink1: what's the url you're using?

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TUplink1:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv

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TUplink1:

from the svn.mythtv.org site

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AndyCap:

yeah. checks out fine here.

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AndyCap:

TUplink1: sorry, both of those svn url's were bad tests. https, and svn will work fine.

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AndyCap:

TUplink1: so you need a http url to test.

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TUplink1:

what?

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deebus:

simple, stupid question:

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deebus:

I don't need mythfrontend running to record, right?

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bjweeks:

nope

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deebus:

the backend does all that, right?

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AndyCap:

TUplink1: linuxbios uses svn:// and gmyth uses https:// both should have no problem with a potential proxy. while http:// does

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bjweeks:

deebus: yep

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deebus:

k. thx man

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deebus:

peace out

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TUplink1:

ok... let me find another

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AndyCap:

TUplink1: http://whatismyip.com/ Is this your ip?

[22:44:52]

TUplink1:

svn co https://cmusphinx.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot . . . k/sphinxbase is working

[22:45:01]

TUplink1:

should i try a http

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TUplink1:

http gives me the same thing

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Opulentus:

Does MythTV work with DVBCore plugins?

[22:46:09]

TUplink1:

24.126.34.203

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TUplink1:

is there a svn mirror somewhere?

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TUplink1:

svn checkout http://svn.collab.net:81/repos/svn/trunk works

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Dibblah:

dvbcore?

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AndyCap:

TUplink1: does this work? http://svn.red-bean.com/svnbook/trunk/

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Dibblah:

opello: Oh. No.

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Dibblah:

Opulentus: ,even.

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TUplink1:

nope

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AndyCap:

TUplink1: there you go. :) time to check for proxies..

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TUplink1:

ok.... and i do that how

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AndyCap:

calling your isp perhaps?

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TUplink1:

no alternitaves to the http

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Opulentus:

thanks for A reply Dibblah

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jedix:

what should an eagle aspen dtv3x4 multi-switch be configured as?

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Dibblah:

Opulentus: What functionality were you looking for specifically?

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Opulentus:

the illegal functions

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Dibblah:

Not in Myth. Sorry :(

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Opulentus:

I love myth and it's functionality. I just wanted to combine some proccess to make it easier

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AndyCap:

TUplink1: telnet svn.mythtv.org 80 and then paste this: http://rafb.net/p/jIPKlR69.txt

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xris:

Opulentus: talking about illegal stuff here is likely to get you kicked/banned

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TUplink1:

telnet svn.mythtv.org 80 just comes up blank.... want me to GET "/"?

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AndyCap:

TUplink1: no. look at the paste I gave you

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TUplink1:

my baqd i thought you wanted me to paste it thetre

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AndyCap:

TUplink1: the reply? sure.

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jedix:

can someone help me get the dvb switch stuff working?

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Opulentus:

xris: I've got the answer I needed. Thank you Dibblah for your assistance

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TUplink1:

ym...... it comes back with a bunch of stufff..... but i just reset my router to factory defaults

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AndyCap:

TUplink1: bunch of stuff isn't very descriptive.

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TUplink1:

ok... hum... its working now

[23:03:21]

TUplink1:

posably a proxy server in the router?

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AndyCap:

TUplink1: I dunno. it's your network

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TUplink1:

hehe.... its just a motorola router

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TUplink1:

well thanks

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jedix:

can someone help me setup my switches in myth?

[23:12:09]

jedix:

I don't know what two of the smaller ones are supposed to be set as

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jedix:

they are dtv3x2

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jedix:

made by eagleaspen

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** juski wonders if the pvr150 dalek audio problem has been solved yet **

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subx:

for some odd reason i cannot set things to record from the program guide menu or mythweb, i can only record if im watching TV and i press record

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hads:

juski: dalek audio problem?

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subx:

i didnt realise mythtv creates a mythtv database user by itself

[23:49:36]

subx:

i changed the details on the frontend to use root too

[23:49:49]

subx:

i should of left the settings as mythtv

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juski:

hads: like clipping, distorted metallic sound. definitely not actually slipped though

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hads:

juski: Not still using 0.7.0 or something?

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juski:

lol

[23:53:07]

juski:

0.4.9 or whatever

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juski:

up to 0.7.0 already is it?! wow

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jams:

well that particular problem has been cleared up for me for some time now

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hads:

juski: Up to 0.10.3 actually :)

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hads:

But that bug was fixed a while back (if it's the bug I'm thinking of).

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subx:

ive deleted the mythtv password on the frontend, how could i get that back?

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hads:

juski: Fixed in 0.4.8 in the 0.4 series acording to the changelog.

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juski:

off to ivtvdriver.org I go then

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juski:

hads: well not fixed in 0.4.9

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hads:

juski: :( Different bug?

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juski:

can't be, it's as described in the changelog

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hads:

Upgrading to a kernel >= 2.6.18 and using the newer ivtv is probably your best bet if you can.

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jams:

juski- i remember that bug was fixed twice

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juski:

hahah

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jams:

don't know if it was fixed twice in .4 series but it was fixed, reintroduced, then fixed again

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juski:

I'll try updating to 0.4.10 & see how I go

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hads:

juski: See the first note on the front page from 2007-02–17

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juski:

same as always – thought it was fixed & it was fine for ages

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juski:

bugger. really don't wanna update my kernel

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