Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, July 15th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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Speedy2:

someninjamaster: So don't chuck your hardware out, but some random distro without the right drivers for your hardware isn't the best plan

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someninjamaster:

im using knoppmyth right now

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someninjamaster:

because i dont have much linux exp

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someninjamaster:

speedy2 any suggestions for a destro

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Speedy2:

someninjamaster: Ubuntu is popular so that might be a good start.

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someninjamaster:

It looks like it should work

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JayRoe:

can the internal player in mythtv show .srt subtitles?

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JayRoe:

please disregard my question. I just figured it out by myself.

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killaz:

hi guys when I use ssh to tunnel the mythtv-setup to a remote pc I dont see the General, Capture cards etc

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Tanthrix:

Just the background?

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killaz:

yup

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killaz:

Just the background

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Tanthrix:

Try "mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt"

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Tanthrix:

Uses qt instead of glx, which your tunneling setup doesn't have. I had the same problem with vnc

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killaz:

it's working now. Thank you

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Tanthrix:

No prob.

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SlicerDicer-:

so anybody here run appletv + myth with HD?

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macabro22:

Hi. What IS mythTV?

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Beirdo:

hi, read the web page as a start

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macabro22:

I understand its a software for recording TV, but Can I get tv shows from the internet or do I have to own a cable tv signature?

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macabro22:

ok, nvm

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macabro22:

I dont have the hardware

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Tanthrix:

At least he was ahead of the guy who came in here a few months ago and was 4 hours into trying to get myth working wondering why he wasn't getting any TV shows yet

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Staticwave_Ace:

heh

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Staticwave_Ace:

even wikipedia could tell you what mythtv is

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Beirdo:

goo-gle

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Beirdo:

heh

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Staticwave_Ace:

yeah, that too

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wilco:

Should I use ATSC or NTSC in mythtv-setup -> Global Backend Setup -> TV format if I have both NTSC and ATSC tuners (and an NTSC TV)?

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Tanthrix:

Er, global backend setup?

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Tanthrix:

Never noticed that option before.

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Tanthrix:

Doesn't really quite make sense actually.

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wilco:

Yeah, I know

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Tanthrix:

Just leave it on NTSC, won't matter

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Tanthrix:

Probably just changes whatever defaults you are given for other things

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wilco:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . mythtv-setup

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wilco:

It's listed there, but the text really doesn't tell me much

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Tanthrix:

Yah, just ignore it. It's probably some old throw back or something, but I could be wrong

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Tanthrix:

In all liklihood it does nothing, or just makes all your tuner cards and stuff default to whatever it's set to

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wilco:

Ok, thanks

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SlicerDicer-:

wow I cannot remember how to get rid of the brutality flicker and horrible fonts on TV Out :/

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d00gster:

anyone knows any via embedded mobos that can run myth and HD without issues?

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SlicerDicer-:

not I

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SlicerDicer-:

d00gster: it takes quite a bit of power

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: nvidia-settings, flicker filter

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SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: ubuntu sucks

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SlicerDicer-:

it wants to remove nvidia glx to install nvidia-settings

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Tanthrix:

Odd.

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wilco:

Input priority increases priority when number increases correct? (Unlike, say, DNS MX records)

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hads:

SlicerDicer-: Stop being a distro hater

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SlicerDicer-:

what?!?!

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SlicerDicer-:

I am stating the obvious about a distro I use

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d00gster:

via has some hardware acceleration or does it not have enough bandwith for hd ?

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SlicerDicer-:

hads: if I was flaming a distro you would know it :) I am much more cruel

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hads:

SlicerDicer-: Instead of saying "this sucks" work out what you've done wrong.

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SlicerDicer-:

hads: umm the mantainer is a idiot? does that work? he has it so that it removes nvidia-glx to install nvidia-settings

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SlicerDicer-:

I would have to roll my own package to do that and I do not feel like doing that at this time

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hads:

You're missing something obvious that you've done wrong.

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SlicerDicer-:

unlikely

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SlicerDicer-:

it does it on all my feisty boxes

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SlicerDicer-:

this one is gutsy and it does not do it

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hads:

Likely I say. Run this; `dpkg -L nvidia-glx | grep settings`

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SlicerDicer-:

now I feel like a asshole ;-)

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hads:

Maybe "I suck" would be better? :)

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SlicerDicer-:

quick mchou invoke the PEBKAC on teh slicer!

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SlicerDicer-:

nah hads I just overlooked it is all I did not notice that it was added to the glx package :)

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SlicerDicer-:

never bothered to try to run it

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: dude, where you been? :)

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SlicerDicer-:

FAR FAR away! Tatooine(SP?)

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SlicerDicer-:

hows it going mchou?

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mchou:

pretty good, all things considered. And you?

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hads:

Indeed. Maybe next time you won't be so quick to blame someone else.

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SlicerDicer-:

hads: usually I am not :)

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SlicerDicer-:

not bad by Tatooine I mean I have been going outside more in the Desert :)

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: it does not rain here like seattle so I can spend time outside

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: be careful about skin cancer :)

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hads:

d00gster: I have a VIA MiniITX frontend, I actually use a few of those for different things. I've decided they aren't that great for Myth.

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SlicerDicer-:

I am not worried I order my sunblock from Australia so its designed where there is a hole in the ozone

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: and you're gonna be in for some serious drought (due to global warming)

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SlicerDicer-:

the only downside to the sunblock is its so thick it feels like its going to rip off your flesh

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: actually I have a different theory

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: seriously? what brand of sunblock is that?

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SlicerDicer-:

New Mexico gets torrential rains during El Nino years and if its warming the equatorial pacific constantly more rain for NM!

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SlicerDicer-:

de-desertification :)

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: you heard about "fire in the lake" in FL?

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SlicerDicer-:

nah missed that?

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: lake dried out, weeds sprouted, and then fire :)

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: how about that?

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SlicerDicer-:

nice!

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: that's some serious shit

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SlicerDicer-:

I grew up in Floridia if those people want sympathy they better not come knocking to me :-) Could not happen to nicer people

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mchou:

lol

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SlicerDicer-:

I am serious

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mchou:

about the nicer part? :)

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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mchou:

trust me, I predict FL to be the next New Orleans

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mIRCat:

Thanks >.<

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SlicerDicer-:

I want a Category 5 to take out the Fla Keys... Thats where I grew up and greed has destroyed it.. The water is nasty green/black due to algal blooms etc

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mIRCat:

I guess I wont have to buy tickets to Hawai'i

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mchou:

next cat 5 will take out more than just the keys

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: no no I want it to hit with the labor day hurricane force

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SlicerDicer-:

straight up the keys

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: tell us how you REALLY feel :)

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SlicerDicer-:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Day_Hurricane

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hads:

Not related to myth at all though...

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: you goona open up a few cans of wupass on the keys?

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SlicerDicer-:

haha

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SlicerDicer-:

no I leave that to nature to do :)

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SlicerDicer-:

just like new york rolls the dice every year that a 1938 type event will happen again :)

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SlicerDicer-:

hads: nah sorry to take it off topic

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mchou:

the linux usb mass storage stack is completely fubar

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mIRCat:

buy a new one

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mchou:

you use a usb external drive with linux you might as well kiss all your data on the disk goodbye

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mchou:

mIRCat: buy a new one?? wtf. the kernel is fsck

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mchou:

mIRCat: how does "buy a new one" solve that?

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mIRCat:

mchou: Newer is better?

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mchou:

mIRCat: whic part of "kernel is fsck" dont you grok?

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mchou:

which*

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mIRCat:

mchou: Buy a new kernel as well ;)

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mIRCat:

mchou: I only meant it in jest anyways

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mIRCat:

:(

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mchou:

mIRCat: dont be a pest

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mIRCat:

mchou: Sorry, I could have said write a better one :(

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mchou:

mIRCat: dude, if my disks werent competely trashed I would

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mchou:

usb mass storage subsystem needs real work in linux

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mchou:

I cant believe windows handles that crap more reliably

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mchou:

but it does.

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mchou:

it's pathetic

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: people keep saying that too me

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SlicerDicer-:

but I have yet to see USB devices that dont work

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SlicerDicer-:

I have external drives, bluetooth keyboards, usb keyboards etc

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: no, I said usb mass storage

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SlicerDicer-:

well I am saying USB in general

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SlicerDicer-:

I hear massive complaining

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SlicerDicer-:

everything from mice to keyboards to whatever

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mchou:

do a google search on linux usb disk

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mchou:

then look at all the destroyed drives

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SlicerDicer-:

ahh

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mchou:

on the various mailing lists

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SlicerDicer-:

you said windows is better... yeah it just destroys ALL the drives ;-)

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SlicerDicer-:

does anybody have a xorg.conf for a tvout with s-video? I am trying to figure out why I cannot get it to run at 60hz it keeps wanting to run at 50hz and flicker like mad

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mchou:

svideo?

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mchou:

wtf?

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SlicerDicer-:

?

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SlicerDicer-:

whats wtf about svideo?

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mchou:

you never heard of hdmi, DVI, or component?

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SlicerDicer-:

not on the video card I am using

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SlicerDicer-:

mx420 :)

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SlicerDicer-:

I run HDMI on my hdtv

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: this is my oldest machine that I am using as a frontend

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SlicerDicer-:

well oldest in use machine

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SlicerDicer-:

1.4ghz Tbird with a mx420

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mchou:

lol, you still use a Tbird?

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SlicerDicer-:

why not?

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SlicerDicer-:

it works :)

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mchou:

If you upgraded to a64 you'd be way ahead on electricity savings compared to a tbird

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mchou:

not to mention the noise

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah but I need a 939 mini-atx mobo with agp

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mchou:

in other words, an upgrades pays for itself :)

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SlicerDicer-:

I have a spare a64 cpu

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SlicerDicer-:

just need a mobo I can swap out

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mchou:

what's wrong with regular atx?

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SlicerDicer-:

then I have to get a new case

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clever:

2007-07–14 21:04:20.582 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.60:6543 (try 1 of 5)

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clever:

thats odd

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mchou:

nah. just leave it out in the open. I kid you not

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clever:

that came out of the .60 pc which is the master backend

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SlicerDicer-:

!??!

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: I have dogs ;-)

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: http://www.svc.com/techstation-case.html

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: so?

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hads:

Why is that odd?

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: put it somewhere where the dogs cant reach

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clever:

hads: why is the master backend connecting to itself?

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hads:

Why not?

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clever:

just wondering why it has to connect to itself

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: have you seen any mini-atx agp boards around there?

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SlicerDicer-:

in cali

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SlicerDicer-:

I am in Intel land here so its very hard to find :/

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: not really. they've all moved to pci-e

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: which I think sucks

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SlicerDicer-:

yep

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SlicerDicer-:

I got quite a few spare AGP cards

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mchou:

pci-e is totally unnecessary for HTPC

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: in fact there arent even too many 939 boards around

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah

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SlicerDicer-:

they got all snapped up

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mchou:

my other 754 mobo gave up the ghost and I had to scramble to find a replacement

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mchou:

ended up with a crappy SIS board

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SlicerDicer-:

I may call my dad and ask him to send me back the gigabyte board I sent him that he never used

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SlicerDicer-:

I may need it as a spare

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JacKnife:

question: i've somehow messed up my channel line-up/capture card setup and i was looking for some help to trouble shoot. Anyone here have some time to help me with my PVR-150?

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: there is always fleabay

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah the one I sent my dad is awesome mobo

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SlicerDicer-:

doubt you could fleabay one like that

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: you'd be surprised

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe well I preordered the mobo from a local place

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mchou:

many ppl upgrading to AM2 or C2D

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SlicerDicer-:

then I asked 2 weeks later for another one

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SlicerDicer-:

POOF gigabyte stopped making them

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SlicerDicer-:

they were too advanced I guess for the time

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SlicerDicer-:

and the 300$ pricetag did not help

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mchou:

nope, that definitely wont help

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SlicerDicer-:

JacKnife: I do not know the pvr150 sorry

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: but it was a super nice mobo

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: no doubt

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JacKnife:

SlicerDicer: Thanks anyway :(

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SlicerDicer-:

it has the dual bios, optical in/out, 1394b buncha stuff

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SlicerDicer-:

that power management system intel came up with for clean power on the board

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Tanthrix:

JacKnife: What's the problem?

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JacKnife:

Tanthrix: My card seems to work, i can cat out mpg video, i can tune it with xawtv, but mythfrontend hangs when i try to watch livetv, and mythbackend doesnt seem able to record anything on it

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JacKnife:

i've tried to delete my capture card/channel config several times, all with the same results

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Tanthrix:

JacKnife: Run mythfrontend --verbose all > file.txt, try and watch live TV, then pastebin that file.

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JacKnife:

it all was working previously, but i was messing around trying to scan channels and stuff and it all got hozed up

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JacKnife:

ok, i'll try that

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Tanthrix:

JacKnife: Gotta reboot. Give me the link when I get back

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JacKnife:

k

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Led-Hed:

Is there a MythTV / EPIA distro other than MiniMyth?

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JacKnife:

Tanthrix: wb, http://pastebin.ca/619869

[02:33:00]

Tanthrix:

Windows is such a POS.

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mchou:

wohoo! we're gonna have a cooling trend over next week

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Tanthrix:

JacKnife: Hrm, not seeing anything terrible. So basically it just stays black?

[02:35:00]

JacKnife:

yeah, that last part repeats until infinity, i had to cut it so i could put it on pastebin

[02:35:10]

JacKnife:

maybe thats normal though

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Tanthrix:

What happens if you try and change channels?

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JacKnife:

when i go to live-tv i cant escape out either, its like its hung trying to tune or grab the card or something

[02:35:47]

JacKnife:

nada on the change channels

[02:36:05]

JacKnife:

i dont get any channel id over the display, the whole screen is black

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Tanthrix:

JacKnife: And is this setup with a zap2it labs account?

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JacKnife:

yeah

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Tanthrix:

And it all went bad after running the channel scanner?

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JacKnife:

yeah, i should mention i have two tuners, one is a Kworld ATSC-110, the other is the PVR150. I was trying to tune QAM channels on my ATSC, that all went bad so i deleted all the cards and only put in the pvr150 with the proper guide data

[02:38:34]

JacKnife:

since then i've had the computer up and down, powered off (to reset the firmware), etc..

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Tanthrix:

JacKnife: And you've tried removing absolutely everything, then adding the card, adding the line up, running mythfilldatabase --refresh-all, then trying it?

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JacKnife:

yup, i deleted in backwards order: delete channels, delete all guide data, delete all tuners. Then add them in again

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Beirdo:

22641 total

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Beirdo:

oy. 22.6k lines of code in the bot (not including the actual libraries)

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JacKnife:

once i did the --refresh-all, but that took so long i figured i wold be able to just mythfilldatabase a get to see some live tv

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Tanthrix:

JacKnife: Ok, this time stop the backend, then start it with mythbackend --verbose all > log.txt, then try and do liveTV, and pastebin that.

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JacKnife:

k, we'll do

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Altair256:

hrm... question about MythGame (and arcade emulation in general)... should I be using SDLMAME instead of XMAME?

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JacKnife:

Tanthrix: http://pastebin.ca/619881

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clever:

finaly got that bug in my backend reproduced

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clever:

now to find out why/how

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clever:

damnit i forgot -v network

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Tanthrix:

JacKnife: Starting at line 632 is a little weird..never seen that before.

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JacKnife:

Tanthrix: yeah, that seems a bit ominous

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Tanthrix:

JacKnife: Go into the recording profile settings on the front and and see if you have ones set for your card

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clever:

mythtv@theP4:~$ kill -SIGSEGV 6690

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clever:

[1]+ Segmentation fault (core dumped) mythbackend

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clever:

yay

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clever:

2007-07–14 21:45:03.079 MythSocket(aa8aad98:26): writeStringList: No data written on writeBlock

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clever:

2007-07–14 21:45:43.545 MythSocket(aa8aad98:26): writeStringList: No data written on writeBlock

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clever:

that was the problem

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Tanthrix:

JacKnife: For my PVR-150, my default is "MPEG-2 Encoders (PVR-250,PVR-350) with default, livetv, high quality, and low quality inside.

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Tanthrix:

And go inside the livetv one assuming it is there and make sure the codec is set to "MPEG-2 Hardware encoder"

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clever:

damnit

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clever:

no debuging symblos

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** clever rebuilds with debug info and returns to the 3 week wait for the bug to crop up **

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JacKnife:

Tanthrix: Ok, from Settings -> Tv Settings -> recording profiles, there is no livetv entry

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JacKnife:

there is a default, let me check that one

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JacKnife:

Tanthrix: Nope, never mind, there is a software encoders, and a transcoders

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Tanthrix:

Do you have a "MPEG-2 Encoders" catagory?

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JacKnife:

no i dont

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Tanthrix:

Hrm.

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Tanthrix:

Ok, exit out of that real quick, then go into your card settings in mythtv-setup

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Tanthrix:

JacKnife: Does "Card type" say "MPEG-2 encoder card..." ?

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JacKnife:

Tanthrix: Ok, i'm a dufus

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JacKnife:

dang, i bet thats it

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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Tanthrix:

What is it set to? Analog V4l?

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JacKnife:

yup, that works

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JacKnife:

ugh, thank you Tanthrix!

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Tanthrix:

So that was the problem, all good now?

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JacKnife:

all good, man now i'm kicking myself because i added that card like 4 times and i just kept glancing over that portion

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Tanthrix:

It's always the simple stuff like that ;)

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JacKnife:

yeah, happy its simple, thanks again

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Tanthrix:

NP.

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Speedy2:

np-complete?

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Tanthrix:

Speedy2: From what I can tell from wiki, your reference is way over my head. ;)

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opello:

heh

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opello:

"no problem" not non-polynomial

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Speedy2:

To some, they are the same!

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opello:

what a limited existance for those people :)

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Beirdo:

OMG. MythLogBot is 68 SVN versions behind :)

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Beirdo:

my lovely curses console stuff has been a lot of checkins, it seems

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clever:

is it posible to register on the mythtv trac so things like 'my tickets' will work and so i dont have to keep inputing my email on every ticket?

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juski:

you can't register as such but you can enter your preferences

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clever:

ahh

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olds:

it will automagically put in your email and name

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juski:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/prefs

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clever:

i just posted a ticket as anon because the name kept going back on me

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Speedy2:

juski: I have a Myth DVB mysql question.

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hads:

juski: Up early aren't you?

[04:11:39]

clever:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3728 if any1 wants to take a peek and try and fix it

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juski:

Speedy2: just ask – and I'd appreciate not asking me direct questions – I'm not the only guy here

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Speedy2:

juski: OK. No one else seems to be very knowledgable about dvb

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olds:

I know a bit

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clever:

also if any1 has the trac perms they can close http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3729

[04:12:49]

clever:

i posted it twice by mistake

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Speedy2:

How does myth map a multiplex (in dtv_multiplex) to a given LNB?

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hads:

juski: You were right about it being gbee doing the XMLTV stuff, I read the changeset wrongly as stuarta and didn't realise gbee == stuartm :)

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Speedy2:

seems the channels table maps channels to a multiplex, refrencing data in dtv_multiplex

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olds:

right

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olds:

those are mapped to the lnbs in 'cardinput'

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Speedy2:

olds: How? I have a card with a 2:1 tone switch. The cardid is the same

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olds:

there's a table with switch settings

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olds:

1 sec

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Speedy2:

olds: Let me bring up tora.

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olds:

diseqc_config

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Speedy2:

one sec

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juski:

clever: done

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clever:

thanks:)

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Speedy2:

olds: dtv_multiplex has "sourceid" which is all the same for me (1)

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Speedy2:

olds: under cardinput the sourceid for the two LNBs I have is "1"

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clever:

now to wait the week needed for my bug to reocer

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Speedy2:

olds: So this doesn't make sense to me.

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olds:

look at diseqc_tree as well

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olds:

you have 1 card (for example) and two inputs

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olds:

each input has a unique sourceid

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olds:

that is mapped to a port on your switch

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Speedy2:

olds: In my database the two LNBs have the SAME sourceid!

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olds:

well, are they the same source?

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juski:

Speedy2: that's not right then :)

[04:23:50]

Speedy2:

juski: Ok, well I created the setup with mythtv-setup

[04:24:04]

Speedy2:

juski: And I've deleted mythconverg and re-created it; same

[04:24:18]

olds:

did you create a difference source for each input on the switch

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juski:

the satellite stuff could do with somebody documenting it better. so far nobody has stepped up & done it

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Speedy2:

juski: I wouldn't mind if I understood how myth handles it.

[04:24:37]

juski:

I'd do it but I dunno the 1st thing about it

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Speedy2:

lol

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olds:

I know about it, I just suck at explaining things

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Speedy2:

olds: Let me bring up mythtv-setup , one sec

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juski:

dvb-t, on the other hand...

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Speedy2:

olds: I have one "video source" defined

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Speedy2:

olds: Do I need to create a new "video source" per LNB?

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olds:

right, you need a difference one for each source

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Speedy2:

weird!

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olds:

yes

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Speedy2:

I guess it allows for a lot of flexibility.

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juski:

for 2 satellites with different channels I'd have thought you'd need difference video sources. not weird at all

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juski:

s/difference/different

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olds:

even if they are the same provider, they are a seperate 'source'

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Speedy2:

Yeah

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Speedy2:

It would be smarter (from a mythtv-setup perspective) to just ask about the LNBs and automatically create a new source for them. i.e. this is redundant information. If you have two different LNBs on one card then they have seperate feeds

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olds:

well

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olds:

the thing is

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olds:

multiple lnbs (on seperate cards) can be receiving the same source

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Speedy2:

olds: Ok, but would you seriously want to do that?

[04:28:10]

olds:

I do do that

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Speedy2:

olds: Well, rather

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olds:

I have two cards

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Speedy2:

olds: I meant multiple LNBs on the SAME card.

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olds:

yea

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olds:

I have two cards

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olds:

two lnbs on each

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juski:

yeah I don't think it's a very common thing, to have 2 lnbs feeding one card if both LNBs are carrying the same thing

[04:29:00]

juski:

infact I'd say it's daft

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olds:

there are only 2 unique video sources amongst those 4 lnbs

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Speedy2:

olds: The myth way is obviously more flexible, just non-intuitive given the majority of people's setups. (i.e. with something like mytheatre, you just tell it LNBs, frequencies and BAM, that's it. No extra info)

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juski:

who cares a chuff about other apps?

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olds:

yea, it'd be kindof annoying to have duplicate videosources

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Speedy2:

juski: Because ignoring the positives about other programs is daff.

[04:29:57]

juski:

if somebody got off their arse & documented it....

[04:30:28]

juski:

don't make me get on my high horse about 'user contributions' this early in the morning

[04:30:29]

olds:

hey now

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Speedy2:

juski: Documenting something doesn't make it intelligent, just a known. I'm simply stating it's possible to streamline this.

[04:30:52]

olds:

streamlining at the cost of flexibility seems foolish

[04:31:06]

juski:

loads in mythtv could be 'better' or 'more logical' but I don't see many tickets being opened with patches attached

[04:31:11]

Speedy2:

olds: Well, if you look at mytheatre (just an example, not saying it's the ultimate or anything) it doesn't really limit your options in anyway.

[04:31:20]

olds:

I've never used it

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juski:

we're facking lucky mythtv even supports dvb tbh, so moaning it's not as intuitive as it might be could be er.. counterproductive

[04:32:33]

Speedy2:

olds: Well once you have a card defined, you define inputs in diseqc setup (tone or switch) then for each input you configure the frequencies it can tune (can import through an .ini file) and it scans, and does all the magic.

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Speedy2:

juski: I'll buy that.

[04:32:47]

juski:

if you feel that strongly about it, outline how you think it should be done on the feature wishlist in the wiki

[04:32:55]

Speedy2:

juski: 10–4, thanks for the idea.

[04:32:57]

juski:

don't skimp on the detail

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olds:

Speedy2: that's basically what mythtv does

[04:33:28]

olds:

you say "this lnb is the same as that lnb"

[04:33:40]

Speedy2:

olds: Sure, it's just a few more steps (i.e. defining the data source, etc)

[04:33:48]

Speedy2:

olds: Not complaining here mind you.

[04:34:18]

olds:

it was intuitive to me *shrug*

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juski:

I wouldn't mind seeing 'video sources' renamed – that'd make stuff way less confuzzling for noobs I bet

[04:34:42]

juski:

'EPG Data sources' instead, fer instance

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olds:

yea

[04:34:57]

olds:

that'd probably be smart

[04:34:58]

juski:

I could patch it dead easy, but I've already been told there'd be resistance

[04:36:22]

juski:

when there's opposition to something logical & simple like that, I don't hold my breath

[04:36:40]

Speedy2:

Either you two ever import channel data from a channels.conf ?

[04:36:55]

olds:

nope

[04:37:00]

olds:

well.. I haven't

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juski:

in the past, when scanning was borked

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juski:

but you really didn't wanna do that back then anyway, since it made it impossible for EIT data to work

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Speedy2:

juski: How well does the importing work?

[04:37:55]

juski:

it's best to scan in mythtv-setup, put it that way

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juski:

if scanning doesn't work, tell the devs & they can fix it

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olds:

I've never had too many problems with the dvb-s scanning in mythtv

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juski:

never been tempted to use dvb-s

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Staticwave_Ace:

I'm reading the wiki I just saw this "mythtv welcome screen" thing which I've never seen before.. how does that work?

[04:40:03]

juski:

not that I even have a dish anymore. took it down cos it was noisy in high winds

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juski:

Staticwave_Ace: mythwelcome

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juski:

try it

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Staticwave_Ace:

juski: so I would run that instead of mythfrontend?

[04:40:35]

juski:

Staticwave_Ace: if you want to, yes

[04:40:41]

juski:

personally I don't see the point in it

[04:40:44]

Staticwave_Ace:

hrmm

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juski:

on a frontend I just want mythfrontend to start

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clever:

i use mythwelcome on my master backend

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juski:

as for the backend, I've got ssh & vnc

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clever:

to lessen ram usage when i dont need it as a frontend

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Staticwave_Ace:

ahh, so *thats* where the shutdown/wakeup stuff is

[04:41:50]

Staticwave_Ace:

I couldn't figure that out

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clever:

mythwelcome can probly accept lirc so you can fire up mythfrontend with a remote

[04:42:24]

Staticwave_Ace:

I want to ideally be able to have my frontend/backend (one machine) shut off when its not in use

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Staticwave_Ace:

and turn on when it needs to

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juski:

Staticwave_Ace: nothing to do with mythwelcome

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Staticwave_Ace:

juski: well I have *not* seen that anywhere else

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clever:

i stuck the master backend onto a server i allready keep on 24/7 for other stuff so i dont need it to ever shut off

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juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Shutdown_Wakeup

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juski:

1st result when I searched the wiki for 'shutdown'

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Staticwave_Ace:

juski: thats telling me about nvram wakeup, that doesn't tell me anything about making myth shutdown when its unused

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olds:

time for a movie and some beer. Speedy2: holler if you can't get the dvb-s stuff working

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juski:

Staticwave_Ace: you need to go into mythtv-setup & specify that IIRC

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Staticwave_Ace:

it didn't seem to be there (at least to me) either

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Staticwave_Ace:

anyways, reading now

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juski:

oh facking AWESOME.. it's in the original docs! what a SURPRISE! http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.5

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juski:

:-\

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Staticwave_Ace:

yeah, I found its hidden as a small link at the top of that page

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juski:

it can hardly be considered hidden if it's in the official docs

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Staticwave_Ace:

well, I usually use a wiki as my first source

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juski:

the wiki is only ever as good as its contributors

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Staticwave_Ace:

of course

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[R]:

do i want to enable preemption in my kernel?

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Staticwave_Ace:

usually

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Staticwave_Ace:

for any machine that interacts with a person

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clever:

what does it do?

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[R]:

well this is a standalone myth box

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[R]:

do i want voluntarily or full?

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Staticwave_Ace:

clever: esentially, it allows tasks to be interrupted by other tasks more often

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Staticwave_Ace:

proabably voluntary

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clever:

ahh

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Staticwave_Ace:

clever: you lose the throughput, but you gain responsiveness

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

is it a build option or can it be changed at runtime?

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Staticwave_Ace:

full preemption is for something like an audio/video editing box, when you *can't* have any hiccups

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Staticwave_Ace:

clever: I believe its only build

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[R]:

there is supposed to be something in /proc

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Staticwave_Ace:

but if you're running any desktop stock kernel its probably enabled

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clever:

it may help the framegrabber pc where it would do best to give all its power to mythbackend

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clever:

ubuntu 6.06 default kernel

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Staticwave_Ace:

that'll be preempt

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Staticwave_Ace:

at least voluntary

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clever:

CONFIG_PREEMPT=y

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clever:

CONFIG_PREEMPT_BKL=y

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juski:

I wish framegrabbers would just vanish

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clever:

checked the config file for the currently running kernel

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Staticwave_Ace:

clever: indeed, thats preempt, what kernel ver?

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clever:

uname -r

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clever:

2.6.15-28–386

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clever:

juski: i agree but cant afford a new card atm

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k-man:

hello

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Staticwave_Ace:

clever: ah, thats definitely before there was more than one kind of preempt, so preempt=y makes sense

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clever:

i left out the comments

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clever:

# CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY is not set

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clever:

and 3 others

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k-man:

i'm trying to compile some lirc drivers and I get this error: cut: modules/*.o.KVERS: No such file or directory

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k-man:

anyone else seen that problem?

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juski:

missing the kernel headers no doubt

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Staticwave_Ace:

need the kernel devel modules for your distro

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Staticwave_Ace:

I would suggest the -ck kernel for anyone running such a multimedia device

[04:58:12]

Staticwave_Ace:

of course, -ck is dead now

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Staticwave_Ace:

:-/

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** Staticwave_Ace begins to fiddle with ACPI_wakeup **

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clever:

what is upref and downref for in mythbackend?

[05:05:23]

clever:

i know it has to deal with the sockets but not what purpose it has yet

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clever:

was getting it alot on http://pastebin.ca/616845

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juski:

well, that's ProjectGrayhem-wide in possession of game-ui.xml now

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Anduin:

clever: reference counting

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k-man:

juski, i have the full kernel source installed (and I built and installed a kernel from it and I'm running that kernel)

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clever:

Anduin: i can tell that but what is keeping multiple references?

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Anduin:

clever: look at the ready read stuff

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** clever rereads the ready read area:P **

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Anduin:

clever: It is also done in the thread pool, and encoder link, etc

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clever:

looks like theres a readyread thread and a place to keep track of its threadid if its runing and a lock for dealing with it

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clever:

and a pipe to talk to it

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juski:

an I hate that managedtreelist stuff where it resizes the selectbar

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clever:

lol

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juski:

I can see a patch coming for that

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juski:

gonna make it use a theme specifiable graphic

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foxxbuntu:

Does anyone in here use DishNetwork with their Myth box?

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juski:

foxxbuntu: you can only use DN with mythtv in conjunction with DN STBs

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** Staticwave_Ace curses **

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Staticwave_Ace:

/proc/acpi/alarm doesn't seem to propogate into the bios

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foxxbuntu:

juski, i assume you mean via stardard output methods and an ir blaster or the like?

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juski:

foxxbuntu: yup

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clever:

id think if it has a ir receiver and composite out it will work with mythtv

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clever:

may be crappy quality and random channel changing half the time but it will 'work'

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foxxbuntu:

ok

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[R]:

i wish dish or directv would do like europe and allow other hardware to be used with their cams

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juski:

$ly in the UK don't allow the sale of any CAMs – you get their approved STB or be damned

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Staticwave_Ace:

if I have my frontend running but idle (sitting at main screen) can the backend still detect idle and shutdown the machine?

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juski:

Staticwave_Ace: yeah

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foxxbuntu:

seems like I can make the switch off cable then

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** foxxbuntu thank god **

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someninjamaster:

what would cause mythtv to not get signal on channels over 14

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someninjamaster:

could this be an amp issue

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[R]:

not using the cable frequencies?

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** juski considers closing #2661 – no patch attached **

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someninjamaster:

i grabbed the channels from the database

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someninjamaster:

im wondering if my splitter is pooched

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[R]:

there is a setting

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[R]:

for us-cable

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Staticwave_Ace:

I'd rather think that you've set your frequency table wrong

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[R]:

or us-broadcast

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someninjamaster:

all that stuff is set to default

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Staticwave_Ace:

well then perhaps you should change it

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someninjamaster:

perhaps

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kormoc:

Wow, we haven't had someone so resistant to receiving help in awhile...

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** Staticwave_Ace counts the reboots to get nvram-wakeup working **

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juski:

Anduin: would you object to me making changes to the managedtreelist viewer to do away with the nasty image mangling?

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Anduin:

juski: My opinion doesn't make a difference.

[06:04:32]

juski:

yeah – and it's me who'll have to fix any theme breakages. I think I'll try to find time to do it

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juski:

I've always hated how it resizes the selectbar indiscriminantly

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** mattwj2005 is currently watching HDTV on his desktop through MythTV **

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mattwj2005:

dang zoom is wrong :(

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Tanthrix:

Zoom?

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mattwj2005:

all I want is my vlc zoom crop options *cry*

[06:23:03]

Tanthrix:

You can do custom zooms with myth

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mattwj2005:

how do I select the options for cropping only

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Tanthrix:

Under the OSD, do manual zoom mode. Then page up / page down zooms in and out

[06:24:39]

Tanthrix:

You can also use arrow keys to move the video around

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mattwj2005:

okay

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mattwj2005:

crop?

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mattwj2005:

I always has bar on top/bottom or left and right

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Tanthrix:

Uh, by zooming in, you crop out the image do you not?

[06:25:33]

mattwj2005:

got ya

[06:25:39]

mattwj2005:

thank you sir!

[06:25:45]

Tanthrix:

No prob

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juski:

yet another problem that could've been solved by a user reading the manual, solved by #mythtv-users – yay!

[06:26:39]

mattwj2005:

how are you my brit friend juski?

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Tanthrix:

Yet another pointless jack ass comment by a bitter regular who could have done better to keep it to himself

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juski:

Tanthrix: and?

[06:27:29]

Tanthrix:

and....my damn throat hurts.

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juski:

awww

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juski:

try some cynicism

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juski:

:)

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Tanthrix:

Nasty summer cold – nearly a week into it

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Tanthrix:

Oh, don't worry, I'm quite cynical. ;)

[06:28:32]

juski:

got some catching up to do, though :-P

[06:28:32]

robbo:

I gots a mytharchive problem perhaps you gents could help

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Tanthrix:

Get me talking religion or politics and I'll show you my cynical side

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robbo:

before .20 i used nuvexport... but now it barfs on a ffmpeg parameter

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robbo:

rather than fix that up, i am trying to use the mytharchive dvd export utility

[06:29:23]

** mattwj2005 declares religion and politics off topic **

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Tanthrix:

Thankfully so.

[06:29:32]

juski:

robbo: which one though, that's the question. maybe you need a non-crippled ffmpeg

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robbo:

would rather get the 'create dvd" option working if possible

[06:30:11]

robbo:

"create native archive" works ok

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juski:

so far so good

[06:30:35]

robbo:

but "create dvd" just bombs. can't find the log file...

[06:30:45]

robbo:

no entries on the log file screen.

[06:30:50]

juski:

the log file is stored in the mytharchive temp dir

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robbo:

ahh, ok

[06:31:05]

juski:

and the mytharchive temp dir is wherever you configured it to be

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robbo:

which I did, oh, 5 months ago...

[06:34:11]

** mattwj2005 wines that american over the air tv has too much of the good stuff cut out and too many commericals **

[06:35:13]

Tanthrix:

That's why I avoid movies from TV. Hate knowing something was cut out

[06:35:28]

robbo:

anyone know where the mytharchive config file is that points to the temp dir?

[06:35:40]

juski:

eh? mythtv has no 'config files'

[06:35:51]

juski:

everything is stored in the database

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mattwj2005:

hehe

[06:36:13]

robbo:

ok, thought it might have been left over from when it wasn't integrated into the program....

[06:36:18]

juski:

to find out where the temp dir is, simply (and I mean simply) just look by going into utils/setup .. setup .. yada yada

[06:36:26]

mattwj2005:

if you forgot your mysql database password....let me know ;)

[06:36:28]

robbo:

a year ago I was using the web-based version of mythburn...

[06:36:39]

** mattwj2005 knows a backdoor **

[06:36:47]

Tanthrix:

Watched "Swimming Pool" last night – would have been awful on TV. Two words: Ludivine. Sagnier.

[06:36:50]

robbo:

ahhh, ok, I am good on that...

[06:37:04]

juski:

Tanthrix: was Michael Barrymore in it? lol

[06:37:09]

mattwj2005:

tarinrix language?

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mattwj2005:

by the way Swedish is hard :(

[06:37:52]

Tanthrix:

juski: I don't even know who that is, but according to the imdb no.

[06:37:56]

Tanthrix:

mattwj2005: English

[06:38:10]

mattwj2005:

English English?

[06:38:24]

mattwj2005:

if so you guys confuse me more than South Africa :P

[06:38:25]

Tanthrix:

Aye – and some french parts

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juski:

Tanthrix: light entertainer guy in the UK who had a party & some dude ended up dead in his pool with erm.. anal injuries (allegedly)

[06:38:44]

Tanthrix:

...interesting

[06:38:55]

robbo:

zoiks where is this thing

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mattwj2005:

como esta Tanithrix?

[06:39:27]

Tanthrix:

mattwj2005: Muy bien. Y tu?

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juski:

robbo: gonna give you a screenshot

[06:39:33]

mattwj2005:

muy bien

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mattwj2005:

yo casa esta hasta color :(

[06:39:55]

robbo:

just enabled logging to the database (sheepishly)

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mattwj2005:

*colour

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mattwj2005:

hot in other words :P

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juski:

robbo: utils/setup > setup > media > archive files settings

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juski:

couldn't rahhly be much simpler

[06:41:46]

robbo:

ok, showing mytharchive temp dir /temp

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robbo:

i like how the menus in this theme hide things unless you scroll around to them.

[06:42:17]

juski:

eew

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Tanthrix:

mattwj2005: Compra un aire acondicionador ;)

[06:42:41]

juski:

no need for that unless you've got every single mythtv plugin known to man installed

[06:42:45]

mattwj2005:

compra?

[06:42:52]

mattwj2005:

get?

[06:42:53]

mattwj2005:

?

[06:42:54]

Tanthrix:

Buy

[06:43:15]

robbo:

juski- thanks, mon.

[06:43:20]

robbo:

"your python is too old"

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mattwj2005:

yo no gracius

[06:43:47]

mattwj2005:

yo tengo un aire acondicionador

[06:43:49]

Tanthrix:

Ahh hell, I can't find the myth recording guide I started a few days ago

[06:43:58]

mattwj2005:

muy muy dinero :(

[06:44:16]

juski:

myth recording guide? another doc to go unread? ;)

[06:44:26]

robbo:

234 instead of 235

[06:44:38]

mattwj2005:

I am using my patio door instead

[06:44:39]

mattwj2005:

:)

[06:45:00]

Tanthrix:

juski: Basically, I want something I can link people to when they come in asking about how to record X since I'm sick of repeating myself

[06:45:01]

robbo:

hey I have an idea- how about a guide that shows how to set up transcoding sessions automatically after recording to reduce size from mpeg2 to divx/xvid???

[06:45:22]

juski:

robbo: already in the wiki in not so many words

[06:45:26]

clever:

id use it:P

[06:45:32]

robbo:

'xactly

[06:45:35]

clever:

where?

[06:45:39]

juski:

anyway those wussies should get bigger HDDs or delete mroe

[06:45:40]

juski:

*more

[06:45:51]

robbo:

Tour de France, baby.

[06:45:52]

juski:

transcoding is killing the planet

[06:45:56]

clever:

i did get more hdd space and it filled up in a week:P

[06:46:00]

robbo:

all the heat?

[06:46:04]

juski:

all those wasted cpu cycles. yeesh!

[06:46:22]

robbo:

wow, i guess we had better conserve them or we'll run out.

[06:46:37]

clever:

lol

[06:46:56]

juski:

IMHo though, if you run out of space too easy you should def. spend less time in 2nd life & watch more mythtv

[06:47:13]

clever:

i am watching mythtv

[06:47:17]

clever:

ive seen everything

[06:47:26]

clever:

now i need to force my dad into watching half the fun things:P

[06:47:46]

juski:

so answer "yes" when it asks "you have finished watching $somecrapshow. Would you like to delete it?" ;)

[06:48:17]

clever:

lol

[06:48:22]

mattwj2005:

I say lets just dump the shows into ram ;)

[06:48:48]

mattwj2005:

you get a one minute buffer and it has to be mp4

[06:49:13]

clever:

that would need lots of ram or cause lots of swaping

[06:49:43]

mattwj2005:

I have 2 GB in this system

[06:49:53]

mattwj2005:

it goes up to 16

[06:49:56]

rooaus:

You seen the iRam from gigabyte, interesting bit only 4GB

[06:50:47]

clever:

yeah ive seen it in the 0db system fron thinkgeek

[06:50:55]

clever:

he raided 2 into 8gig and it outperformed his gaming system

[06:50:56]

mattwj2005:

I have dual cores....1.9 Ghz each

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** Staticwave_Ace waits to :51 to see if his nvram skillz have resulted in an auto-startup **

[06:51:07]

Tanthrix:

My goal is to make a comprehensive guide to help people new to myth determine what their options are for recording X, whether X be analog/digital OTA, analog/digital cable, satellite, whatever as well as specific hardware recommendations

[06:51:24]

mattwj2005:

and a crappy dual head graphics card

[06:51:25]

robbo:

my little 1.8GHz AMD Athlon is just fine for MythTV

[06:51:26]

rooaus:

clever: Costly

[06:51:36]

clever:

.

[06:51:50]

clever:

yeah it would be costly

[06:52:04]

clever:

his setup had no fans at all

[06:52:16]

clever:

ion based cooling thing in the back to keep air moving

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robbo:

I am watching NTSC Analog shows after all, which are free since I only pay for cablemodem and the stupid cableco can't figure out how to filter out TV signals

[06:52:22]

clever:

and passive heatsinks allover

[06:52:34]

clever:

lol

[06:52:47]

mattwj2005:

right now mythtv is running an hd signal..... either 720p or 1080i

[06:52:55]

clever:

im paying for digital cable and recording those from composite(analog) output

[06:52:57]

mattwj2005:

using less the 800 of total system ram

[06:52:58]

juski:

Tanthrix: people have brains. If they have sufficiently powerful brains they'll figure stuff out for themselves – and come to think about it they need a modicum of intelligence to get mythtv worky anyway...

[06:53:13]

rooaus:

clever: No dust either I guess?

[06:53:28]

clever:

?

[06:53:56]

rooaus:

clever: I mean if you dont have fans sucking rubbish into the case.

[06:53:58]

clever:

he took the ion thing appart and used the high voltage part only

[06:54:12]

clever:

which was used in a part he made to keep air moving

[06:54:39]

clever:

it would still suck air in and blow it out but not as strong as a fan

[06:54:58]

rooaus:

clever: Sorry, thought the ion cooling was some brand or something of the heatsink.

[06:54:59]

clever:

check the www.thinkgeek.com project listing for the 0db system

[06:55:14]

rooaus:

You meant ion in the real sense of the word, lol

[06:55:18]

clever:

its just a fan with 0 moving parts basicaly

[06:55:48]

clever:

it charges air particles with high voltage and they are drawn towards the other wire

[06:55:52]

clever:

causing a small wind

[06:56:05]

juski:

yeah it'd be pretty small indeed

[06:56:18]

clever:

enough current&voltage and it will keep the air moving enough to cool the system

[06:56:23]

Tanthrix:

juski: I found it, but you've depressed me now so I don't want to work on it ;)

[06:56:25]

rooaus:

clever: I reckon that has bragging rights.

[06:56:35]

clever:

yeah

[06:56:45]

juski:

Tanthrix: my work here is done!

[06:56:45]

clever:

he mentioned how it was odd to turn it on and not hear a thing

[06:56:47]

juski:

:-P

[06:56:56]

clever:

nonoises at all when running

[06:57:05]

clever:

just doesnt sound right:P:P

[06:57:08]

juski:

clever: movement of air IS sound

[06:57:14]

Tanthrix:

That ion cooling thing is a load of bollocks

[06:57:16]

juski:

sound == air moving

[06:57:16]

clever:

yeah but it wasnt that loud

[06:57:19]

** mattwj2005 currently maxing out the cores **

[06:57:26]

clever:

sound is vibrations in the air moving

[06:57:31]

Staticwave_Ace:

bah! it didn't work

[06:57:42]

clever:

a constant movement in 1 direction doesnt make as much noise

[06:57:57]

rooaus:

He needs to add a white noise generator ;)

[06:58:02]

clever:

lol

[06:58:09]

juski:

why didn't they just make a hoofing fugly cabinet out of mahogany & put the PC in there like so many other USA HTPC projects? :-P

[06:58:12]

clever:

atm im not even on the same floor as my pc

[06:58:14]

Staticwave_Ace:

mythbusters made something hover with ion wind, it was quite impressive

[06:58:33]

Tanthrix:

Staticwave_Ace: Are you referring to the lifter?

[06:58:41]

clever:

Staticwave_Ace: yeah thats the same type of thing

[06:58:46]

Staticwave_Ace:

Tanthrix: indeed, built one for an engineering demo

[06:59:03]

clever:

right now im in bed using the tvoutput

[06:59:14]

clever:

i fired up xterm from mythwelcome's f12 to check on irc

[06:59:18]

Tanthrix:

Those are pretty nifty

[06:59:19]

clever:

and got sucked into a convo here:P

[06:59:31]

clever:

keyboard is on 20 feet of usb extensions

[06:59:43]

clever:

even if i had lirc working it doesnt work thru the floor:P

[07:00:37]

Tanthrix:

I need a new project to work on

[07:00:42]

clever:

bbl need sleep

[07:00:47]

clever:

its now 4am...

[07:01:21]

rooaus:

see ya

[07:01:26]

Tanthrix:

Suppose I could get my level 1 rocket cert, that would keep me busy for a while

[07:01:35]

Tanthrix:

Damned hobbies being expensive

[07:01:59]

Staticwave_Ace:

anyone have any experience with nvram-wakeup?

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rooaus:

Staticwave_Ace: Nah, I should look into it though... probably save some power here. Very little of what we record is on during the day.

[07:04:19]

Staticwave_Ace:

I'm getting kinda confused right now with it

[07:04:36]

Staticwave_Ace:

as the guess program is generating config files with variables nvram-wakeup doesn't understand...

[07:05:38]

rooaus:

Staticwave_Ace: Your kernel compiled to support it and you got the set, reboot, shutdown stuff sorted? That is about all I know, except some m/boards dont work properly :(

[07:05:52]

Staticwave_Ace:

indeed, like mine aparently..

[07:06:23]

mchou:

virtually all mobos will work if they have alarm in the bios

[07:06:23]

rooaus:

Staticwave_Ace: Oh, and I think you need to enable "Wake on alarm" or similar in BIOS.

[07:07:19]

Staticwave_Ace:

robbo: I've been following all the instructions, trying the svn version now..

[07:07:25]

mchou:

and you can get any mobo to work even if it's not one of the "officially" supported ones

[07:08:19]

mchou:

just some mobos require a reboot

[07:08:37]

mchou:

and that's probably your "problem"

[07:08:56]

Staticwave_Ace:

ah

[07:08:57]

mchou:

well, a reboot after setting the alarm

[07:08:58]

Staticwave_Ace:

nope thats not it

[07:09:29]

Staticwave_Ace:

reading through the instructions, if I get the rtc_sec/rtc_min/rtc_day showing up after guess, I need to replace them with something else

[07:09:39]

Staticwave_Ace:

and a note "I should make it do this automatically someday"

[07:09:40]

Staticwave_Ace:

grr

[07:10:44]

mchou:

Staticwave_Ace: just use wake on lan, much easier

[07:11:07]

mchou:

than messing with the mobo alarm

[07:11:53]

juski:

bit tricky to use WoL if there's no other machine powered up – or if the frontend is diskless

[07:12:10]

mchou:

dude, the router is powered up

[07:12:16]

Staticwave_Ace:

frontend/backend is the same

[07:12:17]

mchou:

dont be silly

[07:12:25]

Staticwave_Ace:

although... I do have a openwrt router

[07:12:38]

Staticwave_Ace:

how would it know when to power the frontend on?

[07:12:41]

mchou:

and it's not as if the router is sucking big electricity

[07:12:48]

juski:

all well & good if the router is any use :-P

[07:13:22]

mchou:

if the frontend backend is the same then wol is useless :)

[07:13:37]

mchou:

well, not really

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rooaus:

Was thinking about a gizmo that hangs off a serial port. Simple uC that can store multiple events, wakes PC using wake on ring.

[07:14:00]

Staticwave_Ace:

hrmm

[07:14:10]

Staticwave_Ace:

I could definitely build one of those actually

[07:14:20]

mchou:

before the b/e shuts down it's sends a wol cron job to the router

[07:14:41]

mchou:

that's the easiest way to do it

[07:14:48]

Staticwave_Ace:

does the machine have to be sleeping for WOL to work?

[07:15:11]

mchou:

the machine can be off (on aux pwr)

[07:15:27]

Staticwave_Ace:

well thats useful

[07:15:33]

Staticwave_Ace:

we'll see if this RTC thing works

[07:15:38]

Staticwave_Ace:

if not, I'll move to WOL next

[07:16:03]

Staticwave_Ace:

if either of these works, suspend2 is next

[07:16:12]

mchou:

if you have openwrt wol is the way to go

[07:16:15]

Staticwave_Ace:

no silly shutdowns/powerups, those take too long

[07:16:31]

mchou:

unless your house loses power

[07:16:48]

mchou:

then you're just hosed

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Staticwave_Ace:

indeed

[07:17:03]

Staticwave_Ace:

I'm tempted to buy a power backup for the openwrt/phone system

[07:17:07]

mchou:

that's where the UPS comes in handy

[07:17:09]

juski:

unless you set the backend's BIOS to come on automagically on power restore

[07:17:18]

Staticwave_Ace:

which is already done

[07:17:52]

juski:

UPS is def. a good idea though, even if it's only to get you a clean shutdown

[07:18:07]

** Staticwave_Ace watches the box, hoping for a miraculous powerup **

[07:18:08]

Speedy2:

Hrm, I'm getting an out of frequency error on DVB; LOF is set correcty :/

[07:18:27]

mchou:

auto powering up the system after a blackout is gotta be the most stupid thing to do

[07:18:47]

juski:

Speedy2: not a Hz vs kHz vs MHz thing is it? ;)

[07:18:50]

mchou:

all sorts of brownouts and what nots afterwards

[07:19:29]

juski:

mchou: generally not in the UK. our mains is pretty solid. we don't get many critters in our transformers here

[07:19:36]

mchou:

most likely if you set to power on after power restore your file system will be hosed

[07:19:53]

mchou:

juski: dont be an idiot

[07:20:03]

juski:

oh here we go again

[07:20:12]

mchou:

mains and transormers have nothing to do with it

[07:20:17]

juski:

LA LA LA LA LA LA I'm not listening to you

[07:20:22]

mchou:

transformers*

[07:20:28]

mchou:

juski: then STFU

[07:20:44]

** Tanthrix goes to his happy place **

[07:23:08]

Tanthrix:

Staticwave_Ace: And if push came to shove, you could just get a wall timer, a relay from radiocrap, and an appropriate wall wart to power it. Have the timer turn on the wall wart, and the real to trip the power button of the computer.

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Staticwave_Ace:

heh

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

Tantrix the genius speaks up again

[07:24:19]

Tanthrix:

Certainly Rube Goldberg-esque. Not sure why this is so important to you – why not just turn the system on when you use it, and have it turn itself off at night? Can't take too long to boot up

[07:24:31]

Staticwave_Ace:

its also the backend

[07:24:31]

mchou:

Tanthrix: tell us how the wall timer knows when to wake things up

[07:24:44]

Staticwave_Ace:

so if I'm not around, I want it to be able to start up and record

[07:24:45]

Staticwave_Ace:

:)

[07:24:56]

Tanthrix:

Oh, thought you were just talking about a front end.

[07:25:09]

Staticwave_Ace:

its both in one

[07:25:27]

Staticwave_Ace:

alright, so the RTC, even using the BIOS directly, doesn't work

[07:25:29]

Staticwave_Ace:

a pity

[07:25:33]

** Staticwave_Ace tries WOL **

[07:25:35]

rooaus:

Staticwave_Ace: Or the little gizmo to time off the desired hystersis and then wake on ring, wake on lan, wake on power button if it had a set dry contact.

[07:25:52]

mchou:

Staticwave_Ace: no, I'm sure you are not using rtc correctly

[07:26:14]

mchou:

Staticwave_Ace: tell me the sequence after you set the alarm in bios

[07:26:23]

Staticwave_Ace:

mchou: uhm, I've gone into the bios directly, and set the wakeup time 5 minutes into the future, shut off the machine, and waited

[07:26:35]

mchou:

Staticwave_Ace: that's it?

[07:26:41]

Staticwave_Ace:

yup

[07:26:51]

mchou:

then you ARE screwing it up

[07:26:55]

Tanthrix:

juski: See? I'm doing my best to ignore the resident troll. No arguing, fighting, etc.. I occasionally can keep it in! ;) (Congrats on your self control as well)

[07:27:18]

juski:

Tanthrix: often find it easier to ignore what I can't see

[07:27:23]

mchou:

Staticwave_Ace: RTFM. after you set the alarm you need ANOTHER reboot

[07:28:10]

Staticwave_Ace:

mchou: ahem, I also exited the bios and saved it, hence causing a reboot before I shut off the machine

[07:28:32]

Tanthrix:

juski: True. I don't like putting people on ignore though, because then I don't know what's going on.

[07:28:52]

mchou:

Staticwave_Ace: sigh, you dont get it. it needs _2_ reboots

[07:28:54]

Tanthrix:

juski: What we need is some kind of outbound ignore for them. Or a kickban and such.

[07:29:21]

Staticwave_Ace:

mchou: well that makes it esentially useless then, /me moves on to WOL

[07:29:26]

mchou:

you fscking know nothing siamese twins need to STFU

[07:29:59]

mchou:

Staticwave_Ace: no, it's not useless. you need a kernel whose job in life is only reboot

[07:30:22]

Tanthrix:

Staticwave_Ace: Are you doing all this to save power?

[07:30:31]

olds:

can I change the ordering method for a recording group?

[07:30:48]

olds:

so when I go into my recordings it orders them by name

[07:31:48]

Staticwave_Ace:

Tanthrix: partially, that and I find it silly for it to be running when nothing is going on

[07:32:28]

Tanthrix:

Staticwave_Ace: Commendable. I've been thinking I need to cut back on power usage around here...my power bill is around $150 a month.

[07:33:13]

Staticwave_Ace:

I really wish manual authors would bother to actually describe the bios options

[07:33:21]

Staticwave_Ace:

I don't know which is the WOL option

[07:33:47]

Dagmar:

Generally the one that says "Wake-on-LAN"

[07:34:12]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Excellent, I'm sure you just cleared up his problem for him. :/

[07:34:16]

mchou:

Staticwave_Ace: http://nvram-wakeup.svn.sourceforge.net/viewv . . . ?view=markup

[07:34:33]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Well, they don't often name it "Steve"

[07:34:42]

Dagmar:

It's generally either there and obvious, or the board doesn't support it.

[07:35:00]

mchou:

Staticwave_Ace: it's all documented there

[07:35:02]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: True enough. But I'm doubtful that if it was clearly named "Wake-on-lan" he wouldn't have been asking about it.

[07:35:15]

Staticwave_Ace:

mchou: I did read it, but I feel that WOL may be a better choice

[07:35:20]

Dagmar:

If he's _wondering what it's named_...

[07:35:27]

Dagmar:

Jesus man

[07:35:42]

mchou:

Staticwave_Ace: no, you didn't reade README.reboot

[07:35:55]

Dagmar:

I've never seen a board where it _wasn't_ named that

[07:36:11]

mchou:

Staticwave_Ace: otherwise you would have known about the 2 reboots required.....

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bjweeks:

what is the best way to get channel icons for .20 fixes? the old script seems broken and the new one doesn't work without .21 bindings (I guess?)

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juski:

bjweeks: which script?

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bjweeks:

mkiconmap.pl and channel_icons.pl

[08:32:28]

bjweeks:

first says all zip codes are bad and the second wants perl bindings I don't have

[08:32:31]

juski:

I made a script for UK icons which still works AFAIK

[08:32:45]

bjweeks:

I'm a USer :(

[08:32:51]

juski:

bleh

[08:33:08]

juski:

you need a mythtv with perl bindings really

[08:33:26]

juski:

unless you've just got wrong versions of the script

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bjweeks:

got 'em from trunk and .20 fixes svn

[08:34:08]

juski:

actually IIRC the perl bindings are simple to add

[08:34:15]

juski:

mythtv.pm yes?

[08:34:19]

bjweeks:

aye

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Staticwave_Ace:

hurrah!

[08:34:30]

juski:

just add a path in the right place.. damned if I can remember where though

[08:34:33]

bjweeks:

that should be simple to get from trunk

[08:34:38]

Staticwave_Ace:

mchou: thanks for your berating, its now started up on time

[08:34:39]

bjweeks:

it tells me where it wants it

[08:36:51]

Staticwave_Ace:

in mythtv-setup, do the shutdown commands get run as root?

[08:37:20]

juski:

Staticwave_Ace: no, only as the user mythbackend runs as

[08:37:26]

Staticwave_Ace:

ah

[08:37:38]

juski:

if mythbackend runs as root, then yeah :)

[08:37:39]

Staticwave_Ace:

so I guess I should sudo as appropriate

[08:39:58]

Staticwave_Ace:

so I'm reading something here that conflicts with what someone said earlier

[08:40:10]

Staticwave_Ace:

regarding mythwelcome "This has been introduced for those people that want to use scheduled wakeup and shutdown to record scheduled shows to save on power consumption. Prior to this the Frontend would always start up which in turn meant that the backend would never shutdown when the recording had finished thus defeating the whole purpose."

[08:40:38]

Staticwave_Ace:

does this mean I should use mythwelcome, otherwise my compter will never idle and shut down?

[08:41:30]

Staticwave_Ace:

(I have my backend/frontend on one machine, with the frontend automatically starting up)

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jpoon:

hey guys....

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jpoon:

I'm can't get my computer using a FX5200 to work with a 22" LCD monitor I bought to operate at 1680x1050...

[08:44:00]

jpoon:

anyone here have a similar problem?

[08:47:01]

Dagmar:

You didnt' create a modeline

[08:47:04]

Dagmar:

Search the wiki

[08:52:25]

jpoon:

ok

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hads:

Rough

[08:55:31]

Dagmar:

Well, a whole crapton of premade modelines ARE in the wiki

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par-joha:

good morning

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TUplink_:

um... i just riped a dvd... took like 2 hours.... but it didnt show up on the list..... actuly its the 1st one

[09:25:35]

TUplink_:

how do i make it show up?

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juski:

riped? man all my DVDs must be unripe

[09:31:36]

TUplink_:

no... i got it to work

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TUplink_:

:P

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TUplink_:

its working

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TUplink_:

changed the way it displayed them now i got it ;)

[09:43:09]

TUplink_:

anyone know any thing about setting up btaudio

[09:51:51]

Speedy2:

Anyone here use mythtv with a tone switch?

[09:53:32]

subx:

ive put firmware inside /lib/firmware, rebooted my machine and checked dmesg but my device isnt being recongnized. The firmware was working ok on a previous install?

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TUplink_:

i am trying to use snd-bt87x but when i do the dd if=/dev/dsp1 of=/dev/dsp bs=1K count=33 all it is is static.. the tuner is playing live tv so should get sound any ideas?

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biohazd:

anyon know hwere i can find the control codes for my STB ? (samsung (virgin media))

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anykey_:

biohazd: lirc.org/remotes

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juski:

biohazd: if you get stuck you can always record it :-P

[10:19:56]

juski:

or if I feel generous I could record mine

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Speedy2:

juski: Ever use a tone switch with myth, or diseqc only?

[10:22:01]

juski:

Speedy2: neither

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juski:

only ever used dvb-t

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biohazd:

andykey : i am looking at lirc, do i need 2 separete instances for lirc running ?

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biohazd:

i use lirc to use the hauppage remote o nthe mythbox

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biohazd:

how does lirc know to send signal via serial port ?

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juski:

biohazd: cos you configure it so

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biohazd:

hmm

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biohazd:

so one insatnce of lirc running

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biohazd:

2 sections in config file for haupp remote and one for stb ?

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biohazd:

hmm i read about something called MyBlaster -will try it

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biohazd:

hmm re-install lirc with serial seupport is he answer (I think)

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Speedy2:

juski: Does myth store the apid/vpid information for a channel in the mysql database, or does it re-parse it from the dvb stream?

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tafkaz:

hi. deutsch or english ?

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Speedy2:

tafkaz: English.

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tafkaz:

ok...thanx :-)

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tafkaz:

ok...i would like to know the best way of organizing my channellist

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tafkaz:

have mythtv working here, but cant find a good and easy way of organizing the channels

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tafkaz:

mythweb semms to be a pain in the a** for doing this

[10:56:06]

tafkaz:

but maybe i just got it all wrong... ;-)

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juski:

Speedy2: used to be in the database but now it's done on the fly

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Speedy2:

juski: Damn...I wrote a lot of code to parse that stuff ! :/

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Speedy2:

tafkaz: If you're daring you could do it using mysql!

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tafkaz:

uuuuhhhhh i dunno if i am good in doing that

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Speedy2:

tafkaz: I use a GUI front-end program called "tora" that works well

[10:58:20]

tafkaz:

that sounds more like it

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Speedy2:

tafkaz: tora is a GUI tool for dealing with MySQL

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tafkaz:

hm....

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Speedy2:

tafkaz: I'm working on some GUI tools for channel management with Myth

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Speedy2:

tafkaz: But nowhere near usable right now.

[10:58:51]

tafkaz:

that would be so good...

[10:59:21]

tafkaz:

i didnt want to believe, that there isnt a way of doing it easily in myth itself

[10:59:32]

tafkaz:

no favorite listing and stuff

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Speedy2:

tafkaz: You can use "e" to edit some basic channel info

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tafkaz:

found that essential

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Speedy2:

tafkaz: I would swear I saw something about favorite channels in myth

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tafkaz:

aha ?

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tafkaz:

what i excepcted was something like: list 1 for pay-tv list2 for freetv list3 for news...aso

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juski:

there's no way to add channel groups right now

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juski:

patches are welcome as ever though

[11:01:40]

tafkaz:

yeah, but i guess i am not good in that...

[11:02:03]

tafkaz:

so its actually only a wish, not complaint or such

[11:02:09]

tafkaz:

mythtv still ist GREAT !

[11:02:38]

tafkaz:

-t

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tafkaz:

i will try eith tora

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tafkaz:

and report here

[11:03:37]

tafkaz:

another thing.

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tafkaz:

mythmusic seems to take forever to build up the music database

[11:04:20]

tafkaz:

is there any way to do this manually in a terminal, so i could watch tv in the meantime

[11:04:27]

juski:

nope

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tafkaz:

hm

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juski:

you could just open another mythfrontend of course

[11:04:41]

tafkaz:

thats odd

[11:04:50]

tafkaz:

ohh....that'd work ?

[11:05:02]

juski:

why wouldn't it?

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tafkaz:

right...why not :-)

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tafkaz:

just didnt think of it

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tafkaz:

yet another question...

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tafkaz:

mythweather doesnt seem to work

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juski:

yesh, itsch broken

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tafkaz:

opening it in mythweb it also gives me errors

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tafkaz:

oh i see

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tafkaz:

so, just wait to next version ?

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juski:

a fix is being worked on and may soon be ready. it's more or less usable now but hasn't been backported to -fixes

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juski:

so for now at least, just look outta dee window :-P

[11:18:11]

juski:

or use mythnews' weather feeds

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tafkaz:

lol...ok !

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tafkaz:

no prob, just was wondering

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tafkaz:

thanx for now, you have been of great help !

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juski:

np :)

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subx:

what format should the 'mythconverg' database be in?

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subx:

Collation?

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subx:

ive created this, fingers crossed its ok:

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subx:

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subx:

mythconverg utf8_general_ci

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juski:

woof. hell of a flurry of commits today.

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subx:

is uk east europe?

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Speedy2:

I think I'm going to bed

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Speedy2:

juski: Thanks a lot for your help.

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par-joha:

subx: uk as in United Kingdom?

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juski:

UK is western Europe

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par-joha:

aye

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juski:

though you wouldn't know by looking at the state of our public hospitals

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subx:

ok thanks

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subx:

i havent re-installed myth for ages

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juski:

the UK is about as westerly as you can get in Europe without getting wet!

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subx:

heh

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par-joha:

juski: traveling to iceland makes you wet? :)

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subx:

im putting settings in the mythtv-setup menu but the settings are not being stored

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juski:

subx: you always need to go all the way to 'finish' for changes to be stored

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subx:

yes i did that

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subx:

but if i go back in the settings are back to default

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subx:

strange..

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juski:

check the messages from the terminal then

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subx:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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subx:

mythconverg utf8_general_ci <-- it connects to it but cannot open it

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juski:

there's your problem then!

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subx:

im going to reboot

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subx:

that might do the tricvk

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subx:

it takes me a good few days to get a mythbox running from scratch

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subx:

i got it working now by giving the mythtv database user admin privelages, but this defeats the object of setting up a mythtv user instead of using root for databse

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Giuly:

Hi, I've a diseqc-switch with 2 ports. port 2 (astra) works fine, port 1 (hotbird) gets a lock while scanning, but not in livetv. I'm now asking why and the log with -v channel doesn't help.

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Giuly:

http://pastebin.ca/620302

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subx:

here we go.. the exciting bit. Scan for channels

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Giuly:

Rot 70/10 are looking kind of weired

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Giuly:

s/Rot/Rows/

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Giuly:

I scanned them, found them, but can't watch them

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Speedy2:

Giuly: I had similar issues. I found editing the dtv_multiplex table directly and putting in the right frequency information fixed my issues.

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Giuly:

Speedy2: works, nice. but why does the channel-scanner write the wrong frec to the db?

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Aquahallic:

Mornin' folks

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Aquahallic:

anyone around familiar with mythtv menus??

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Aquahallic:

trying to edit a menu and I can't find where the heck it's at....:/

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subx:

my TV card is a dual tuner hauppuage card, do i have to scan for channels on both tuners?

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Aquahallic:

I believe you have to setup each separately

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subx:

why? the frequency would be the same

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Aquahallic:

like.. tie the same channel list to each tuner in setup

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subx:

i think i only need to do it once

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Aquahallic:

you only need to scan and setup the channel list once yes

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subx:

there is no point doing it again for the 2nd tuner, the channels will be the same

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Aquahallic:

but I "believe" you have to tie it to each tuner separately in setup

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Aquahallic:

^^^^^

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subx:

ok

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Aquahallic:

see what I mean??

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Aquahallic:

you have to tell each tuner what list it's going to be able to use

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Aquahallic:

;)

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Aquahallic:

cause.. .you could have one list for cable.. another for satellite

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subx:

ok

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subx:

i have done that already

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Aquahallic:

and tie cable to one tuner and sat to another

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Aquahallic:

yeah... then just tie the list you've made (done your scan) to both tuners

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subx:

u do that in the video sources menu

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Aquahallic:

I can't remember off top of my head.. but you setup the channel list in one menu

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Aquahallic:

and you tie the source (list) to the tuner in another

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subx:

the input connections

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Aquahallic:

;)

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subx:

and video source

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Aquahallic:

yeah

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Aquahallic:

sounds right

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Aquahallic:

source is your lists I think... and connections is where you tie that list to the tuners

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subx:

that bit went nice and smooth, last time i scanned for channels on a older kernel it kept on crashing with this tv card

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Aquahallic:

or other way around... can't remember...LOL

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Aquahallic:

I didn't do a scan on mine though... I just told it to pull from the Zap list...:P

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Aquahallic:

prolly should go back and change that.. then I won't get those snowy channels..hehe

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subx:

are zap2it closing down?

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Aquahallic:

I've read they are...:(

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Aquahallic:

on a couple forums

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subx:

sux 2 be you

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Aquahallic:

??

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subx:

im now going to install a big fat 400gig HD in the box

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subx:

i read on lots of forums and reviews that this drive is quiet

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subx:

if its not quiet, I WILL KILL SOMONE

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Aquahallic:

I can't hear my 500 gig seagate at all...

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subx:

im removing a 320gig seagate because of the noise it makes

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Aquahallic:

do you use Zap for your listings?

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subx:

im in UK so i use radio times website

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subx:

or if that doesnt work EIT is good enough

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Aquahallic:

ahh

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Giuly:

in cardinput, does diseqc_port have to be NULL?

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Aquahallic:

dvb card??

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Giuly:

(with a switch)

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Giuly:

yes

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Aquahallic:

I'd think you'd need your discq to switch between the lnb's

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Aquahallic:

I don't use a dvb though

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Giuly:

exactly, I just wondered because diseqc_port is NULL

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Aquahallic:

I'd set it

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Aquahallic:

if you're using more than one LNB that is...:)

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Aquahallic:

sheesh.... nobody's familiar with these menus/themes???

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subx:

its working lovely :D

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Aquahallic:

kewl..;)

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subx:

fluxbox rox for a myth box

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subx:

/dev/hda1 15G 1.4G 13G 10% /

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subx:

used 1.4G for / root!! :D

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subx:

actually i havent even done a apt-clean

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my2keh:

anyone see this before: /usr/include/bits/socket.h:304:24: error: asm/socket.h: No such file or directory

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my2keh:

while doing a make for kernel?

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subx:

/dev/hda1 15G 1.1G 13G 8% /

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subx:

thats a kernel issue more than a mythtv issue

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subx:

try #kernel

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my2keh:

guess so

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Aquahallic:

subx have you messed around any with the menus??

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subx:

my next job is to setup lirc but i really need a break

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subx:

no not yet im having a rest i feel tired

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Aquahallic:

lirc wasn't bad

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subx:

i know its ok i just need to take my mind off it

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Aquahallic:

:P

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Aquahallic:

man.. I drill down in the xml files and when it gets to the menu I'm looking for.... it doesn't call another xml file

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Aquahallic:

it says <action>PLUGIN mythmusic</action>

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planktonboy:

hi all

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planktonboy:

finally made it back

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planktonboy:

had a a thunderstorm about a month ago and it took down some telephone cabling nearby rendering my phoneline and internet connection droken

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planktonboy:

broken even :))

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planktonboy:

anyways...was just going to do a quick svn update before the next thunderstorm :) but wanted to ask how to enable aac support during compiling mythplugins

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planktonboy:

what library files do I need to install for that

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planktonboy:

have libfaac and libfaac-dev installed already, so must be something else that is not allowing aac support

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planktonboy:

or do I have to add that as an option during compiling

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planktonboy:

such as --enable-aac

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planktonboy:

aha

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planktonboy:

just answered my own question :)

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planktonboy:

that was it

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yakman:

any one using hd capture card in the uk here?

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planktonboy:

stupid boy

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planktonboy:

yakman, sorry I dont

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yakman:

it a bit early in the uk, but looking to the future – just upgrading the mythtv box

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planktonboy:

in UK here, but I am just using Hauppauage Nova-T cards for DVB freeview

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planktonboy:

yeah

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yakman:

i have a v+ box as part of my bundle

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yakman:

it has hd output

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yakman:

i was looking to hook summat upto it

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yakman:

:)

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yakman:

the uk broadcast standard for hdtv – is it different to the USA?

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my2keh:

ack

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planktonboy:

yes

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my2keh:

anyone know where I can find/download linux-headers?

[13:17:33]

planktonboy:

I believe so

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my2keh:

no one is answering in #kernel

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planktonboy:

I think in US they use ATSC for HD

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my2keh:

i'm trying to upgrade my Nvidia drivers

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my2keh:

but need this first

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subx:

my2keh: what distro

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my2keh:

uhh subx> I use KnoppMyth

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scopeuk:

planktonboy belvie the uk is going dbv for ota when they finalyl get round to it in the next 6–8 years

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my2keh:

so I think that's debian?

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scopeuk:

2014 is the deadline i belive

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subx:

yep

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yakman:

2014 :(

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planktonboy:

scopeuk, right

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yakman:

dang

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my2keh:

Linux mythtv 2.6.18-chw-13 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Dec 3 23:47:01 PST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux

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scopeuk:

kinoppmyth is bassed on debian

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scopeuk:

or atleast was

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planktonboy:

that will be cool

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subx:

my2keh: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/index.en.html

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planktonboy:

a bit long way off though

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scopeuk:

doesent knoppmyth have a script for isntallign nvidia drivers?

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my2keh:

thanks subx..I will check that out

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subx:

applying patches and recompiling kernels is not a 10 seconds job if u dont know how

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my2keh:

yeah, for sure

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my2keh:

i did it befor

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my2keh:

e but think I deleted linux-headers for some reason

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yakman:

ok well no point rushing to get a capture card atm then

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planktonboy:

just got an error during make myththemes

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planktonboy:

it says g++: No such file or directory

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planktonboy:

does anyone know what the prob with that might be

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planktonboy:

mythplugins and mythtv compiled and installed fine

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juski:

nothing to stop you just doing cd /usr/share/mythtv/themes then svn export $svndir :)

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planktonboy:

ok thanks...what does that do exactly

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juski:

that exports the usable stuff in the theme dirs to where you need them – like a cp but misses all the svn cruft

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juski:

e.g. svn export $home/myththemes/$foobar

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planktonboy:

ok thanks mate will try that :)

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juski:

mate?

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juski:

yakman: re UK HDTV over the air – forget all about it til 2012 at the very earliest

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juski:

and it's likely going to be h.264 so we'll all need super CPUs to grunt that

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juski:

oh and just FYI there's no need for a 'HD' tuner since most if not all DVB-T tuners on the market now will work with it

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planktonboy:

no still no good

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planktonboy:

juski I tried that, then tried to configure qmake myththemes.pro which is fine, but then make still gives me that same error

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janneg:

juski: they might deploy DVB-T2 at the same time. so it could be that *all* current tuners won't work

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juski:

dvb-t2? FFS

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juski:

oh wow. supports DVB-H alongside DVB-T. Cheeeeeep-eees

[13:54:18]

juski:

the bastards!

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juski:

ah well, it's certainly been nice to record TV on a PC & do whatever I want with it. Ahh, those were the days

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juski:

they can't be serious, though. Everybody's just had to buy a shitload of new gear to replace the analogue stuff. So then they're talking about doing away with dvb-t now. They need a serious smacking

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** subx remembers the old days when his friend used to spend hours n hours playing football manager on the zx spectrum **

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juski:

it's almost enough to make me wanna move to Sky ffs

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Daviey:

juski: where did you read about dvb-t being stopped?

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juski:

it's being mooted

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juski:

because dvb-t2 provides up to 30% more capacity

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juski:

since DAB is gonna be made obsolete to make way for DAB+ pretty soon I could well believe they'll trash dvb-t too

[14:07:42]

juski:

dunno what we're all gonna do with all the existing gear we've got though.. can't put millions of Freeview boxes in landfill

[14:08:49]

juski:

http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/articles/BB . . . -network.php

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juski:

oh and it's here too. whoopee http://legacyreports.spectrumaudit.org.uk/rad . . . dmasters.pdf

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janneg:

juski: I don't think we'll see DVB-T2 much before 2012

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janneg:

and I doubt that the bbc will switch one of their two current multiplexes to DVB-T2 before DVB-T2 gear is broader deployed

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juski:

I hope not. there was a time when I used to look forward to change & embrace it

[14:14:07]

juski:

janneg: what makes me skeptical is the government (OFCOM) plan to wipe out DAB & replace it with DAB+

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janneg:

but if they get a third multiplex it may start with DVB-T2

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janneg:

juski: DAB is older than DVB-T

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juski:

yeah I know that, but DAB hasn't taken off in the UK til quite recently

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juski:

Freeview should've been made mpeg4 in the 1st place – mpeg2 was already old when Freeview came about

[14:15:45]

juski:

it's a blinking mess, that's what it is

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janneg:

and it will take a while until DVB-T2 is finished (earliest second half of next year)

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juski:

heh. the ink is still drying on dvb-s2, too

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janneg:

nah, not really, afaik it's more than 2 years ratified now

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janneg:

and they are using it only for new services like HDTV channels

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gbee:

completely off-topic but is anyone aware what the get string "tc-lang=en-gb-orange" does or what client/script/exploit it belongs to?

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janneg:

google has some reference to postnuke

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Daviey:

juski: Hmm.. a British technology project being a mess?! you do suprise me

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gbee:

googling brought up several examples, but most of them just seemed to be pages affected by it, no sites discussing it

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gbee:

it's not that important, but it's the first time I've seen it and it just started popping up in the security logs

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yakman:

juski – any ideas what technology virgin media will be using?

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subx:

im stuck on lirc i knew this would happen...

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subx:

dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source

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Daviey:

subx: what distro?

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subx:

debian etch

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subx:

it creates the module

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subx:

but i cant find it anywhere

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subx:

the .deb

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subx:

it should be in /usr/src/modules/lirc

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Daviey:

/usr/src/lirc*deb

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subx:

but it isnt

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subx:

-bash: /usr/src/lirc*deb: No such file or directory

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subx:

server:/usr/src# dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source

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subx:

Modules succesfully built. Removing /tmp/lirc-kernel-source.fE3908

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Daviey:

there is no lirc* in /usr/src?

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subx:

there is /usr/src/modules/lirc

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subx:

but no .debs

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Daviey:

you did do 'm-a a-i lirc' right?

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subx:

what does that mean?

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subx:

i see

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subx:

its done something

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Daviey:

subx: presumably you're using module assistant?

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subx:

before i used

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subx:

dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source

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subx:

and at the end it said it created the modules

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subx:

i thought that meant .deb file

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Daviey:

I know you're using debian, but i think this guide will hellp – https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty

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Daviey:

it is 'awesome' *fact*

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subx:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC_on_Debian_Etch

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subx:

i was using that but there was no mention of m-a a-i lirc

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Aquahallic:

So I rebuilt my mythbox about a week ago.. and my g-friend asks me "Where do I make the smart playlists now".... I never used the playlists much so I never knew it was there.. but evidently now it's not... any idea what I'm missing to be able to create the "Smart Playlists" ?????

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GreyFoxx:

ummm what i a "Smart" playlist ?

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GreyFoxx:

ummm what is a "Smart" playlist ?

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Aquahallic:

she said she could setup playlists by selecting year/artists/genere

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planktonboy:

oh well, gotta go for a while, bbl thugh

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planktonboy:

cheers all

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Aquahallic:

I don't see anything mentioned like that for mythtv...

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planktonboy:

though even :)

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GreyFoxx:

Aquahallic: Neither have I... but then I don't use mythmusic myself so I could easily have missed it

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Aquahallic:

what do you use for music??

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GreyFoxx:

I don't play music over my television

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GreyFoxx:

My wife uses it, but I never do

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Aquahallic:

ahhh... it's piped over the stereo here..

[14:49:41]

Aquahallic:

yeah... I haven't seen anything like those "Smart lists" either

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** Aquahallic thinks the kids are finally getting to her memory...LOL **

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GreyFoxx:

IT appears to be there

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GreyFoxx:

at l;east there is a lot of code related to it

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Aquahallic:

:/

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Aquahallic:

should it have just compiled with mythmusic?

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jams:

smart playlists can be accessed by pressing the menu key.

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Aquahallic:

inside select music?

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jams:

from the main music screen

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jams:

maybe from select music, never tried it

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Aquahallic:

okee.... lemme see... maybe I just didn't map the keys in LIRC the same

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Aquahallic:

lol

[15:00:35]

Aquahallic:

found it...

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Aquahallic:

thank you...;)

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Aquahallic:

now my next question is.... If I want to edit some of the buttons on frontend

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Aquahallic:

I look at all the xml files and I'm able to see where each button jumps to another xml or a command...

[15:02:04]

Aquahallic:

but some of them say <action>PLUGIN mythcontrols</action>

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jams:

yes

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Aquahallic:

how do I go about editing that...:/

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Aquahallic:

or finding that menu to edit it??

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jams:

it's loading the plugin mythcontrols, not for sure what you want to edit

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Aquahallic:

so that's a compiled module then??

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Aquahallic:

I'd have to change the source and recompile??

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jams:

what specifily do you want to change?

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Aquahallic:

well... I was going to see if I could find where all the key mappings are held

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jams:

all the keymapping are held in the keybindings table in mysql

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Aquahallic:

and...inside the music playlist menu.. if you hit "I" it brings up a menu and there's "Create Audio CD" in there that's blanked out

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jams:

mythcontrols is a plugin to edit them

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Aquahallic:

I would like to edit that button with a command

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jams:

Aquahallic- that particular button would require a source code change

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Aquahallic:

yeah that's what I figured on that one

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jams:

do you want to enable the button?

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Aquahallic:

yeah

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jams:

look in mythmusic settings. There is an option to enable/disable cd burning

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Aquahallic:

I need to have it so the boy can burn the mp3's to a normal audio disc

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Aquahallic:

under Utils/setup/media settings/Music Settings

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Aquahallic:

?

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jams:

probably

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Aquahallic:

yeah I have that enabled

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Aquahallic:

I can burn a MP3 disc

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Aquahallic:

but not "Create Audio CD"

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Aquahallic:

as in.. convert the MP3's back to a cda format

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juski:

yakman: virgin media will remain the big pile of steaming propriatary poo that it is now, for some time to come I expect

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jams:

Aquahallic- might be missing some pkg that's required to make the conversion. The log files might help in this case

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Aquahallic:

nuttin' to log.. it skips right over the button... it's grayed out

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Aquahallic:

hmmm

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Aquahallic:

I have lirc setup to pass M for a key and it works while I'm in LiveTV but not in mythmusic

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Aquahallic:

and if I look at edit keys there's no entry for menu

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Aquahallic:

can we add keys mappings??

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juski:

Aquahallic: Global – menu == M

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Aquahallic:

it's set in global to M

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jams:

do you have M set to something else in mythmusic?

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Aquahallic:

don't think so... let me check

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Aquahallic:

nope

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Aquahallic:

mythmusic is an internal player so my mplayer and xine keys wouldn't affect it correct??

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juski:

ope

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juski:

nope

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Aquahallic:

k.. I was just looking through my lirc config file in ~myth

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Aquahallic:

just wanted to make sure

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jams:

good grief the netflix queue is 30+ deep

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** Aquahallic is an idiot sometimes **

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Aquahallic:

I found it.... Thank You...;)

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my2keh:

anyone know where I can download the linux header files from? I'm trying to upgrade my nvidia drivers

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Daviey:

my2keh: what distro?

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my2keh:

Daviey>> Debian...I use knoppmyth

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my2keh:

I have linux-source

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my2keh:

from knoppmyth's site

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Daviey:

my2keh: knoppmyth is a world of itself; i suggest you hit the knoppmyth forums

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my2keh:

but isn't debian debian?

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my2keh:

the header files would be the same no?

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Daviey:

ask in #debian if knoppix is debian

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Daviey:

debinan != knoppix != knoppmyth

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my2keh:

heh

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my2keh:

ok

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my2keh:

debian based then heh

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my2keh:

I'll post to the forum

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my2keh:

thanks

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Daviey:

my2keh: i'd hate to make a recommendation and bork your knoppmyth setup – forums really are teh win for knoppmyth

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Jackhamme:

I am having problems getting EIT info from DBS. Can anyone assist?

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janneg:

Jackhamme: what's DBS?

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Jackhamme:

Sat

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Jackhamme:

dvb

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janneg:

Jackhamme: is it a satellite or a single channels

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my2keh:

anyone ever delete their linux-headers before? heh

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Mr_Grieves_:

I'm trying to setup an NFS mount for mythvideo, but I can't seem to get it to work recursively. Is this possible?

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Dagmar:

Yes, if you export /tmp/dirname, then when you moutn that elsewhere, it have access to /tmp/dirname and every directory under it

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Mr_Grieves_:

Hmm...it's not working for me. The mount in /etc/exports is: /mythmounts/ 192.168.0.100(rw,no_root_squash) and when I mount it on the client, the directories under /mythmounts/ show, but not their contents. Any ideas what the problem could be?

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Mr_Grieves_:

the client's fstab is: 192.168.0.102:/mythmounts /mythmounts nfs bg,hard 0 0

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my2keh:

Dagmar>> hey you said you knew where to get the headers?

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proster:

anyone here and has patience to try and help me?

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my2keh:

proster>> what you need?

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proster:

i have a problem with my tv card

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proster:

i get fine video but no audio

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proster:

tried everything i found but no use

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my2keh:

what's your TV source? cable, sat?

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proster:

and its the same with mythtv xawtv and tvtime

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my2keh:

dvb?

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proster:

cable

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Mr_Grieves_:

Aha! apparently my dvd mount in the nfs share was causing the mount to hang. Just FYI. I mounted all the other shares except for the dvd and it's recursive :)

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my2keh:

and what kind of card do you have in your PC? PVR-150?

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proster:

no LifeView FlyVideo 3000

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proster:

saa7130 chip

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proster:

using saa7134 module

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my2keh:

never heard of it

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my2keh:

does it have an audio in mic jack?

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proster:

it has a line in (blue one) and audio out which is connected to mysound card line in

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proster:

any idea?

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juski:

proster: you need to read the docs!

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proster:

?

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juski:

http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

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proster:

will do but im telling you ive tried every solution i found

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juski:

stop mythbackend

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juski:

or wait

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juski:

if you unmute line in, do you get sound then?

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proster:

nope

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juski:

if not, then mythtv isn't unmuting the tuner audio

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juski:

in which case you need the v4lctl command to unmute it

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proster:

my sound is fine its just the video feed sound im not getting

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proster:

yup already donme that

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juski:

the 'v4lctl volume mute off' command?

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proster:

yes

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proster:

and the v4lctl setattr mute off

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juski:

and line in is set to be recorded from in the linux audio mixer?

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tafkaz:

not really mythtv-specific but somehow related question: vnc will not show a real picture to me....the connection is established, i can see the blue color of mythtv in my vnc-window, but it seems like the resolution is wrong...the picture i get is totally fuzzy

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tafkaz:

any quick idea ?

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tafkaz:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/WhatNext/VNC

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juski:

tafkaz: vnc aint for video

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my2keh:

vnc won't display video

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my2keh:

damn

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my2keh:

juski heh

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tafkaz:

nope, but i really would like to be able to configure things a bit easier

[17:05:00]

juski:

tafkaz: so you can, just without live video

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my2keh:

tafkaz>> you using windows to do the VNC?

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tafkaz:

thats ok....bit my vncviewer gives me a strange resoluted picture.

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my2keh:

if so http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=R . . . sfromWindows

[17:06:36]

tafkaz:

no i want to vncview from suse to an ubuntu vncserver

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my2keh:

ah

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juski:

tafkaz: works here juuust fine

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tafkaz:

and actually everything seems to work, but the resolution in my vncviewer is somehow wrong

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juski:

you might want to try freenx though – it's much better

[17:07:57]

tafkaz:

of course it does...i dunno how to explain. its set up fine, but the viewer seems to show a wrong res

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my2keh:

you guys ever download the linux headers before?

[17:08:48]

juski:

vnc can chop the colour depth down & make everything look really jpeggy

[17:09:28]

juski:

my2keh: you still rabbitting on about that? google should find you a howto for your distro no problem

[17:09:42]

my2keh:

LOL yeah, still checking

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my2keh:

damn shouldn't have deleted that

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juski:

search for $distroname kernel headers

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tafkaz:

juski, that doesnt work

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tafkaz:

tried that

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tafkaz:

hm....well never mind, thanx for ur help

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juski:

tafkaz: man vnc

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tafkaz:

i will figure out

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my2keh:

dannggg

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juski:

if you're gonna not swear, you might aswell not swear properly!

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juski:

oh, bother!

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juski:

fiddlesticks, etc :)

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my2keh:

my goodness!

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my2keh:

heh

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my2keh:

apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.13 that doesn't even work

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my2keh:

ugh

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juski:

sudo apt-get install .. etc

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my2keh:

i'm doing it as root

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my2keh:

Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.13

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juski:

apt-cache search kernel-headers

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willcooke:

isn't is it linux-headers?

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willcooke:

eg, linux-headers-2.6.20–16

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juski:

ubunut says "linux-kernel-headers – Linux Kernel Headers for development"

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my2keh:

linux-kernel-headers-knoppix – Symlinks to unpackaged Kernel header files for KNOPPIX .

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my2keh:

hmmm

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my2keh:

then I tried apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-chw-13

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my2keh:

linux-headers-2.6.18-chw-13 is already the newest version.

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my2keh:

0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

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my2keh:

hmm that's kinda gay

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juski:

so remove em then reinstall, since you were silly & deleted em

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juski:

it still thinks they're installed

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Dagmar:

s/silly/effing stupid/

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my2keh:

LOL

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my2keh:

ok ok. I realize it was a mistaken sshhh heh

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gbee:

has to be easier to support a Windows program, linux users have some really unique and odd expectations for their software

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willcooke:

juski, I'm about to blow away my entire myth setup and rebuild on to new hardware. Do you know of any problems with feisty (e.g. dvb doesn't work)

[17:28:55]

juski:

feisty is what I was running at LRL

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my2keh:

apt-get remove worked

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juski:

gbee: you reckon?!

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willcooke:

juski, good news. ta

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my2keh:

but the apt-get install didn't report good results

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gbee:

juski: could be wrong ;)

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** willcooke takes delight in saying "Sorry the wife, I've just accidentally deleted all your hundreds of hours of csi that you never watch" **

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juski:

willcooke: you'll come home tomorrow & find a $ly Plu$ sitting there if you're not careful man

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willcooke:

GAAARGH!

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gbee:

I should stop reading the wishlists, but I find I'm drawn to them like a fly to the UV light

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** juski fits a high voltage mesh over the wishlists **

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** gbee fries **

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juski:

I'm a fine one to talk – most of my themes now have a game-ui.xml file now

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juski:

sick to death of updating my website with 'last updated' info now

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juski:

might just bin it & tell folks to svn co

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Aquahallic:

juski what's your theme's site??

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GreyFoxx:

'[

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jedix:

hey

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jedix:

I need help getting a visionplus vp1020 going

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gbee:

juski: heh, think that's bad – the versioning stuff in themeinfo.xml might drive you crazy unless it can be automated somehow

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jedix:

I don't know what card number to use.

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jedix:

I found the details about the card on bttv-gallery

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my2keh:

jedix, use 0

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jedix:

my2keh: causes a hang

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my2keh:

and 1?

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jedix:

didn't try 1

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jedix:

1 is Miro pctv..

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jedix:

or so the doc in the kernel says

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jedix:

it's a budget card with no eeprom

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my2keh:

ls -l /dev/dvb

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my2keh:

what does that give you?

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jedix:

well, I had it loading with card=0x71

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jedix:

but no picture in myth

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jedix:

just black screen

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jedix:

/dev/dvb has stuff with card=0x71

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my2keh:

paste the results

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jedix:

with 0x71?

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jedix:

or without?

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my2keh:

ls -l /dev/dvb

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my2keh:

paste the results of tht

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janneg:

jedix: does dvbscan find channels?

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janneg:

0x71 sounds right

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jedix:

janneg: myth was finding channel listings

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jedix:

my2keh: kind of hard, the computer isn't booted, as I have to turn it off every time I try a new number

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janneg:

jedix: ok, then all seems to be alright

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jedix:

minus the black screens :)

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janneg:

jedix: what was on the on screen display?

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jedix:

janneg: showed what would be on, then it just continues to be black

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jedix:

the backend doesn't seem to be giving errors or anything

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janneg:

jedix: there is a status display under the the program title

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jedix:

it said 36% signal and locked

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janneg:

ok, there should be more

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janneg:

in parantheses

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jedix:

k, give me a min, I'll re-add the 0x71 and insert the card

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jedix:

my2keh: drwxr-xr-x root root adapter0

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jedix:

hrm

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jedix:

is the permissions okay?

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jedix:

s/is/are/

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jedix:

hrm

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jedix:

nothing is coming up now

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jedix:

oh there we go

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jedix:

janneg: LMN

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janneg:

jedix: you're not using a stock mythtv but I think you should see a picture

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jedix:

that;s why I think the card setting is wrong :/

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janneg:

no, if you find channels with mythtv-setup the hardware is alright

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jedix:

oh

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jedix:

what about adding videos in my myth directory to my video library?

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jedix:

like movies that I put there

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kormoc:

mythvideo plugin

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jedix:

yeah, I have that installed

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jedix:

is there a way to get it to scan subdirs?

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kormoc:

it does by default I believe

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jedix:

I must have done something incorrect

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jedix:

hehe

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jedix:

it added text files and mp3s

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janneg:

jedix: have you tried to change channels?

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jedix:

janneg: yeah

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jedix:

always black

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janneg:

jedix: restart the backend with -v channel,record,siparser and paste the log to a pastebin and paste the url here

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psofa_laptop:

hi, anyone that knows if i cant use my set´s deinterlacer instead of myth´s for an hdmi connection?

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psofa_laptop:

*can

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kormoc:

disable myth's deinterlacing and myth won't deinterlace...

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psofa_laptop:

damn my sentence looks like crap

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jedix:

janneg:

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psofa_laptop:

kormoc, yes but can the tv deinterlace an 60hz hdmi signal?

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jedix:

err

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jedix:

janneg: okay, sec.

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kormoc:

psofa_laptop, given your tv model, which I'm gonna pull out of my ass cause you never mention it, I have no idea

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psofa_laptop:

:)

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psofa_laptop:

kormoc, its a sony d3000

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kormoc:

might want to read the manual

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psofa_laptop:

uhm my actual question is : is that technically possible?

[18:38:34]

kormoc:

Sure, it could be done

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kormoc:

doesn't mean anything about if it actually is done by the hardware the

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kormoc:

*tho

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psofa_laptop:

i suppose myth sends each time a frame that is half blacked

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kormoc:

blacked?

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psofa_laptop:

with black lines

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kormoc:

that's more your X setup then myth

[18:40:04]

psofa_laptop:

yes

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kormoc:

you would need to define your X to output a interlacted signal

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psofa_laptop:

lol i need to learn how to ask questions like a human being

[18:40:55]

kormoc:

Interlaced signals do not have 'black' lines, as that wouldn't change anything so why interlace?

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psofa_laptop:

my question was if the tv can deinterlace a signal thats not physicaly interlaced

[18:41:34]

kormoc:

then how would it know it was interlaced for it to deinterlace? I would suspect not

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psofa_laptop:

rather than detect the black lines inside a full progressive frame

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psofa_laptop:

kormoc, i imagine it could detect those black lines

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psofa_laptop:

:)

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kormoc:

Interlaced signals don't have black lines...

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kormoc:

the entire point of a interlaced signal is it only sends half the lines, not all the lines but only half 'black'

[18:42:51]

eubey:

how come when i am running the setup wizard under the analog cable set up it says no cities found?

[18:43:19]

kormoc:

eubey, I didn't know myth had a setup wizard...

[18:43:33]

eubey:

my bad wrong chanle, myth didnt work using media portal :)(

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juski:

what?

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psofa_laptop:

kormoc, if i sent a real interlaced signal to the tv i would loose quality in case the source isnt dvb but a progressive dvd

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kormoc:

psofa_laptop, yes, but if you're not sending a interlaced signal to the tv, it still won't get half black lines, as the X server will be rendering both frames together, and all you'll get is tearing and the like, not black lines

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psofa_laptop:

hmm didnt think of that

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kormoc:

psofa_laptop, deinterlacing is just the fixing of the problems, not actually removing of the interlacing

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Cry_wolf2:

Is there anyway to change the backend-ip-setting from localhost to the real ip without using the frontend-interface ?

[18:55:19]

kormoc:

mythtv-setup

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Cry_wolf2:

Ok..without any graphics ?

[18:55:45]

Cry_wolf2:

like...trough ssh

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kormoc:

update the database fields

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kormoc:

you could use X forwarding via ssh...

[18:56:10]

Cry_wolf2:

Well...not right now

[18:56:21]

Cry_wolf2:

Do you know the databasefields ?

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kormoc:

it's in the settings table

[18:56:38]

kormoc:

outside of that, you'll need to hunt

[18:58:32]

Cry_wolf2:

oki, will try thanks

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subx:

5 hours later and im still stuck on lirc :(

[19:01:09]

subx:

modprobe lirc_serial

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subx:

FATAL: Module lirc_serial not found.

[19:01:33]

subx:

why isnt it found? ive turned off serial kernel usage

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kormoc:

not found means not installed...

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subx:

ive installed the correct serial modules

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kormoc:

for the kernel you are currently running?

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subx:

im not sure..

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kormoc:

kernel modules are kernel version specific

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subx:

ok

[19:02:26]

jedix:

janneg: http://pastebin.com/d33f7c9b7

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subx:

i done this

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subx:

dpkg-reconfigure setserial

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subx:

var/lib/setserial/autoserial.conf

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subx:

/dev/ttyS0 uart none

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subx:

cp /var/lib/setserial/autoserial.conf /etc/serial.conf

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kormoc:

and you installed the lirc serial driver where in that list?

[19:05:31]

subx:

i followed this

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subx:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty

[19:06:01]

subx:

modprobe lirc_dev works but lirc_serial doesnt

[19:08:07]

subx:

it works!

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subx:

lirc_serial 12064 1

[19:08:57]

subx:

i just followed the last instructions right at the end

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subx:

rebuild modules

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Cry_wolf2:

Backenserverip=127.0.0.1 och masterserverip=127.0.0.1 found in settings :=)

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jedix:

janneg did you get the link?

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** subx wonders how linux people got things done in the days before google.. **

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janneg:

jedix: yeah, I was busy

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jedix:

janneg: np

[19:14:12]

janneg:

btw: http://www.grunau.be/many_recordings.png

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Dagmar:

WTF man

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Dagmar:

You know you don't really need to be able to watch every channel at the same tie

[19:16:01]

mchou:

23 encoders? is this for real?

[19:16:04]

Dagmar:

Get out of the house every so often and walk around a bit

[19:16:34]

kormoc:

subx, lots of trail and error

[19:16:42]

mchou:

janneg: how much stuff are you bootlegging?

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subx:

if i lsmod i can see:

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subx:

lirc_serrial 12064 1

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subx:

how do i assign that to the serial port?

[19:17:13]

subx:

do i use setserial?

[19:17:29]

** kormoc shrugs **

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janneg:

it's 26 encoders and I'm just developing the multirec branch

[19:17:41]

kormoc:

I don't use a serial device

[19:17:47]

janneg:

with four capture cards

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Dagmar:

Ah

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Cry_wolf2:

gah, how do you write a sql statement to update the fields..like this ? UPDATE settings SET MasterServerIP = 192.168.1.4; ??

[19:18:06]

mchou:

janneg: how do you fit 26 encoders in 1 box?

[19:18:12]

kormoc:

Dagmar, telling the devs to go outside isn't very nice :P

[19:18:21]

Dagmar:

kormoc: I thought he had 26 encoders

[19:18:33]

Dagmar:

That's not like finding a crackrock in a friends pocket

[19:18:36]

juski:

Cry_wolf2: maybe put the IP address in quotes

[19:18:40]

janneg:

jedix: the channel is encrypted

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Dagmar:

That's like opening their cabinets and seeing them filled with crack pipes

[19:18:51]

** kormoc blinks **

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Cry_wolf2:

juski; Ok but besides that is looks ok ?

[19:19:00]

kormoc:

Cry_wolf2, nope

[19:19:08]

Dagmar:

It's time for an intervention when you see something like that

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jedix:

janneg: oh, crap. there's so few unencrypted

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** subx imagines installing mythtv+lirc without IRC or google.. **

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kormoc:

Cry_wolf2, UPDATE settings SET data = '192.168.1.4' WHERE value = 'MasterServerIP';

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juski:

Cry_wolf2: you need a WHERE hostname="$foo" at least I think too

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Simon2:

hello all

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juski:

and what kormoc said. don't listen to me at all :)

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keith:

my stupid cable company moved some channels... how do i inform myth of this?

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Cry_wolf2:

kormoc: Thanks, worked

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kormoc:

keith, post about it on zap2it's forum so the change it around

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Dagmar:

Less than two weeks left.

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Dagmar:

Do you think they'll care?

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Simon2:

i've been looking about for cases for my mythtv project and wondered what others had gone with, i'd like a case with a display that could display the channel or stream info etc,

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Cry_wolf2:

Now i only have a protcol mismatch. Just whanted another frontend on my laptop to take to the bedroom. svn on backend and ubuntu deb on frontend = :(

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kormoc:

Dagmar, uhh, more then two weeks...

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keith:

more like 2 months

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kormoc:

Dagmar, more like 2 months

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Dagmar:

You're no any fun today man

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kormoc:

Dagmar, and they'll change it cause tribune media is still gonna be around and needing to change it anyway

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subx:

serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 165

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kormoc:

Cry_wolf2, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Can_ . . . 2Fbackend.3F

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juski:

Cry_wolf2: no getting away from it – you need to run the same ver. of svn on every box

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Dagmar:

Cry_wolf2: Everything has to be running the same versions. No way around it

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keith:

kormoc: where should i post it? i've never posted there

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kormoc:

keith, read the forum info and it'll tell you

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keith:

ok thanks

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Cry_wolf2:

lol, guessed something like that...o well

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keith:

this forum? http://tvbb.zap2it.com/ I don't see anything that looks appropriate

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kormoc:

keith, the forum linked off of labs.zap2it.com

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keith:

oh right. duh

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Simon2:

i've been reading the docs and if i have understood it properly, i should be able to playback recorded media from a DVB-T card, be able to play DVD if I put a dvd player in the setup, and maybe watch one and record another etc if the system is powerful enough, i've been trying to find it it will work with some of the IPTV streams out there too like AppleTV uses ?

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juski:

IPTV.. bah

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juski:

btw FYI recording DVB-T takes bugger all CPU. less than 8% on my 800Mhz decrepit backend

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Cry_wolf2:

How do you build only frontend from svn ?

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kormoc:

you don't

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juski:

Cry_wolf2: you don't

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Cry_wolf2:

oh

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keith:

zap2it labs forum doesn't use same credentials as listing data?

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kormoc:

keith, yes, they do

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keith:

then i must still be drunk

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keith:

because i can't find anywhere to read or post to the forum on zap2it labs

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Simon2:

juski; does that mean it wont use em ?

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juski:

Simon2: depends what you mean by 'IPTV'

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Dagmar:

Usually they mean "pirated"

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juski:

it can't (AFAIK) use AppleTV feeds

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Simon2:

ah well, there seems to be so many to choose from

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kormoc:

keith, they're down right now tis why

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juski:

but you can watch youtube vids & junk like that in mythnews these days

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keith:

kormoc: ...oh

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Dagmar:

I wish Adobe would take the stick out of their asses about the flashplayer plugin

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Simon2:

oh right, heard of dreambox ?

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juski:

Simon2: yeah. 1337 !

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juski:

naughty, naughty things

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Simon2:

i have one already, great little toy :)

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juski:

I hope it's not a 500C

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Simon2:

i want a DVB-T media centre and still not made up my mind between a DVBT version of thedreambox or something else

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juski:

depends. those things can only play mpeg2

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Simon2:

its a 7000, one of the orange display ones, so not too old

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Simon2:

i've got mine networked to a PC using VLC, took some fiddling to get working tho

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juski:

transcoding to mpeg on the fly is pretty craptacular though

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killaz:

I'm having some performance issues with my mythbox.

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Simon2:

:)

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juski:

Simon2: the dbox2 recorder code in mythtv might be adaptable to work with the dreambox

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killaz:

Are tere known problems (performance) when the SATA disk is connected with a Optimus SATA controller?

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juski:

killaz: that's not a mythtv problem really

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keith:

killaz: what type of performance problem?

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killaz:

juski: ok that's right. The images are like in slow motion...

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Simon2:

juski: i thought along those lines too

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juski:

killaz: so it's prolly not a hdd issue

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juski:

you probably own an ATI VGA card :)

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killaz:

juski: no I have a nvidia card.

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killaz:

I have to say I havent installed the nvidia drivers yet

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killaz:

maybe that's the reason?

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juski:

killaz: you should install the nvidia binary drivers

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killaz:

ok....

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Tanthrix:

Bah at no FTA satellites in the US

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Simon2:

tanthrix; really ?

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Tanthrix:

According to the wikipedia, there is essentially nothing.

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juski:

Tanthrix: no money in it

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Simon2:

a lot of people in the uk think there is only skytv available

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, there are some... http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Channels/American-F . . . Channels.htm

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kormoc:

now granted, it's not stuff *I'd* want to see

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Tanthrix:

Or any other sane person

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Simon2:

get yer self a big dish and wave it about, you might be surprised at what is available

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juski:

Simon2: yesh but how much is in English & *worth* watching? ;)

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Simon2:

my dish is hopping between 28e2 & 19e2 , more films at 19e2 unless you PPV

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juski:

much in HD on FTA in Europe yet?

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Tanthrix:

I wonder how much better BBC1/2/3/4/et al is than BBC America

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Simon2:

same shit different smell :)

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juski:

Tanthrix: you get the cream

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Simon2:

theres cream ??

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juski:

I like BBC3 & BBC4 though

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Tanthrix:

As in, the best of the stuff, or the worst?

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juski:

depends on your PoV

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Tanthrix:

The latter methinks

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juski:

I hear you get Eastenders in the USA on BBC America

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juski:

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Tanthrix:

I wish I had access to all the BBC channels here

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Tanthrix:

Tried doing a UK proxy to the BBC site, but it was no go

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Simon2:

dont the BBC stream their programs now ?

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juski:

nope

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juski:

and when they do it'll be MS DRM'd shite

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Simon2:

i seem to remember during a conference being told that the BBC intend to stream their output

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juski:

I dunno what planet all the IPTV advocates are living on, but free to all IPTV isn't gonna be realistic anytime soon

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Tanthrix:

http://www.liveuktv.com/

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Tanthrix:

Awfully expensive

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kormoc:

Simon2, they do still intend to do so

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Cry_wolf2:

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kormoc:

Cry_wolf2, and illegal to boot

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Cry_wolf2:

Ok, just heard that there were something out in the same time that bbc announced that they were gonna stream

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Simon2:

i work at a facility where HDTV is made, we get IP feeds from a cable network via a large providor who concentrates on the media industry

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Cry_wolf2:

more converted then ?

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juski:

are you gonna get it into your head that free IPTV is basically a non-starter?

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Simon2:

BT's MPLS system is all IP based moving pictures arrond

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juski:

you need propriatary hardware & it's all locked in. they're all set up for moving to pay by the minute if they want

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Simon2:

have a look at Tangergs hardware, its not got CA built in and anyone can buy the hardware and hang it on the end of an internet connection

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kormoc:

free IPTV will turn out like video podcasts... a few gems here and there but mostly just typical crap

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juski:

who's honestly gonna use that though? they're all looking to make shedloads of money

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Simon2:

are you talking viewing or content quality /

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juski:

either

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juski:

content quality is usually shite. the stuff itself is usually shite

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juski:

wooo mpeg4 blocks.. niiiiice

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Simon2:

content has spiralled downwards with the advent of shite reality programs apealing to the low lifes of society,

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Simon2:

true as you say there are some gems

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juski:

I don't watch ITV though

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juski:

not even C4 has much on worth watching anymore

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juski:

I get more than my money's worth out of the bbc :)

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juski:

besides, with myth you don't need no streaming shoite

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Simon2:

now we're comming back to my desire for a myth system

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Simon2:

theres is already DVB-T-HD being considered

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Simon2:

shame a lot of the so called 'HD ready' sets already on the market arnt likely to be able to view it

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Cry_wolf2:

I made a cammoflauge to my mythbox :=) http://www.wintergatan.com/bilder/PICT2200.JPG

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Cry_wolf2:

How nice that i bought a lian-li aluminium chassi

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Simon2:

thats pretty good

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Simon2:

i'm looking to get a case that reselbles a DVD player

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Simon2:

resembles*

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subx:

im still having trouble getting lirc_serial to work, when i lsmod, doe this look ok?

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subx:

lirc_serial 12064 1

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subx:

lirc_dev 13716 1 lirc_serial

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subx:

or should lirc_serial show some information about the serial port?

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Simon2:

lirc_dev is using lirc_serial denoted by the 1 and the name of the driver on the same line

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subx:

so that means lirc_dev is using nothing because lirc_serial is pointing to 1

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subx:

lirc_serial should point to something like >>>>> 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ?

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subx:

ie the serial port!

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Simon2:

not quiet, the sigle digit shows how many times the driver is is use

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Simon2:

i dont have a myth system, but its linux and its pretty standard i'm guessing, what are you trying to do

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subx:

when i lsmod most stuff whats being used is registered with the name

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subx:

like

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subx:

soundcore 9248 2 i810_audio,snd

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Simon2:

means the soundcore is in use twice

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subx:

lirc_serial 12064 1 **** <-- shouldnt the serial address be here?

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subx:

lirc_serial points to the >>>> serial port

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subx:

lirc_dev what lirc reads points to the lirc_serial

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Simon2:

no, do a dmesg and watch the output see what driver attaches to the hardware

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Simon2:

you are trying to get the serial port working ?>

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subx:

ues

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subx:

dmesg | grep serial

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subx:

serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A

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subx:

lirc_serial: no version for "lirc_unregister_plugin" found: kernel tainted.

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subx:

lirc_serial: auto-detected active high receiver

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subx:

and thats t

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subx:

it

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** Dagmar wails **

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Dagmar:

ONOES! TAINT!

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subx:

lirc_dev isnt even on my dmesg :-S

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Simon2:

are you trying to configure someting to use the serial port ?

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subx:

it is

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subx:

yes

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subx:

i had it working before but i cant get it working on this new install

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subx:

dmesg | grep lirc_dev

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subx:

lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61

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Dagmar:

So, this is always an amusing question

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subx:

lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0

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Simon2:

then in the config of that software put /dev/ttyS0 thats how you would talk to the serial port, when the machine starts up it loads the drivers it creates device drivers in dev for you to talk to the hardware with

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Dagmar:

...what step of the troubleshooting documentation are you on?

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Dagmar:

You have yet to mention one thing, which is probably what's screwing you.

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Dagmar:

...and the docs mention it

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subx:

setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none ?

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subx:

irw /dev/lirc0

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subx:

connect: Connection refused

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subx:

i can connect to: irw /dev/lircd

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subx:

but when i tap my remote nothing happens..

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Dagmar:

subx: You skipped using setserial to make the serial kernel module relenquish control over the port this time

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psofa_laptop:

iirc you must load lirc_serial with the io port of your serial port as an argument

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psofa_laptop:

after using setserial....

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psofa_laptop:

subx, like this modprobe lirc_serial irq=4 io=0x3f8

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psofa_laptop:

check these values from dmesg or sth

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subx:

i need to unload the module first

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Rudd-O:

hi there

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Rudd-O:

question

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Rudd-O:

I have a myth setup that is recording OK

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Simon2:

is there a place where people have listed their hardware setups?

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Rudd-O:

but recordings don't show up in the media library

[20:25:08]

Rudd-O:

I did run mythfilldatabase but I have no TV listing data

[20:25:16]

Rudd-O:

because my country is not listed anywhere

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kormoc:

Rudd-O, you need to install and configure xmltv for your country

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Rudd-O:

xmltv for my country?

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Rudd-O:

there is NO xmltv for ecuador

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Rudd-O:

plus I record from line input

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Rudd-O:

because I have a separate decoder box

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kormoc:

simcop2387, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:User_Systems

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kormoc:

whoops

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kormoc:

Simon2, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:User_Systems

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Rudd-O:

now I know the recordings are there, because it shows me the recording groups, but when I selcet one, the list appears empty

[20:26:24]

Rudd-O:

the files are on disk and the recorded table shows data

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Rudd-O:

what am I doing wrong?

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kormoc:

Rudd-O, that's cause there's no meta data for the show

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Rudd-O:

and how do I add dummy metadata?

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kormoc:

Rudd-O, you'll need to create a fake channel and give it fake metadata

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Rudd-O:

mythtv-setup?

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Rudd-O:

how do I fake that metadata?

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Rudd-O:

the mythtv setup manual doesn¿t mention it

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kormoc:

you'll need to hand insert data into the datebase

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Rudd-O:

details on what tables I need to set?

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kormoc:

that's cause it's a unsupported and rarely done item

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kormoc:

you'll need to create a fake channel at the very least, so might want to start there

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Rudd-O:

I created channel 3, selecting Line input as the input

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Rudd-O:

that's working at least, I can watch live TV ok

[20:28:39]

Rudd-O:

it's named "TV Cable"

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Rudd-O:

where do I go from there?

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kormoc:

Rudd-O, did you look at tv_grab_dtv_la?

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Rudd-O:

what is that?

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subx:

it works!!! thank you for the help :D

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subx:

before i do anything else im going to make a hard copy of this

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kormoc:

a xmltv grabber for Latain America, covering Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Panama, Peru, Puerto Rico, Trinidad, Uruguay, and Venezuela

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Rudd-O:

it's not listed here: http://www2.holmlund.se/xmltv-release/test_grabbers.html

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kormoc:

although, it only covers direct tv

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Rudd-O:

OK, that is not what I want

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Rudd-O:

I don't have DirecTV

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Rudd-O:

all I want is to work with that single "channel 3" I created, and have the recorded shows showup

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kormoc:

that's cause it's not an offical grabber yet

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kormoc:

so then add fake program meta data

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Rudd-O:

that's what I've been asking how to do

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Rudd-O:

how do I do that?

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kormoc:

add data to the program table?

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Rudd-O:

lemme checkitout

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kormoc:

keep in mind, most people that try this fail, and the few that do it give up after awhile as it doesn't really allow myth to do a lot

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Rudd-O:

I don't care

[20:33:44]

Rudd-O:

btw what's the hotkey for the guide?

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kormoc:

reads the keys.txt file or look it up in the official wiki

[20:39:08]

killaz:

juski: you were right the installation of the nvidia drivers was all I had to do..

[20:39:10]

killaz:

thnx

[20:41:49]

Rudd-O:

didn't work

[20:41:54]

Rudd-O:

added a program to programs, didn't show up

[20:42:33]

kormoc:

at the proper time(s), liked to the correct channel and tuner, and told the backend to reload it's program cache?

[20:42:49]

Rudd-O:

reload its program cache?

[20:42:53]

Rudd-O:

how do I do that?

[20:43:04]

Rudd-O:

insert into program values(1000,'2007-07–15 16:00:00','2007-07–15 16:30:00','Dummy show','2007-07–15 16:00:00','This is a placeholder show',''insert into program values(1000,'2007-07–15 16:00:00','2007-07–15 16:30:00','Dummy show','2007-07–15 16:00:00','This is a placeholder show','','','0000',0,0,'Dummy show',1,0,0,0,0,0,'',NULL,'','','','',7,0,0,0,0);,'','0000',0,0,'Dummy show',1,0,0,0,0,0,'',NULL,'','','','',7,0,0,0,0);

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kormoc:

by prentending to be mythfilldatabase and send a reload event or by restarting the backend

[20:43:14]

Rudd-O:

(sorry my middle mouse button pastes thrice)

[20:43:37]

Rudd-O:

just did that

[20:43:39]

Rudd-O:

didn't work

[20:45:14]

Rudd-O:

hey, actually, mythtv NUKED these insertions!

[20:45:31]

kormoc:

likely cause they didn't link to the proper places

[20:45:39]

Rudd-O:

OK, where's a dev doc?

[20:45:48]

Rudd-O:

I'm running around in circles trying to work around a mythtv BUG

[20:45:56]

Rudd-O:

that, mind you, has been present since 0.18

[20:46:03]

Rudd-O:

because 0.17 DID show recorded shows in my media library

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kormoc:

it's not a bug, it's not designed to be used that way

[20:46:16]

Rudd-O:

it's a bug, it worked in 0.17 and it no longer works

[20:46:19]

Rudd-O:

that is called a *regression*

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kormoc:

only if it wasn't intended

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kormoc:

there really isn't any docs, the source is likely your best bet, or you can comb the wiki for clues

[20:47:29]

Rudd-O:

anyway

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jduggan_:

anyone got a FE in their bathroom? =]

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Rudd-O:

there are *two* programs that I recorded manually, and I added their names and everything, and they DON'T show either

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willcooke:

jduggan, I was thinking about it! :)

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Rudd-O:

yes, there's a bug

[20:48:41]

Rudd-O:

my channel 3 is chanid 1000 internally

[20:48:44]

Rudd-O:

but the recorded table shows this:

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Rudd-O:

+------------+---------------------+---------------------+

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Rudd-O:

| chanid | starttime | endtime |

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Rudd-O:

+------------+---------------------+---------------------+

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Rudd-O:

| 4294967295 | 2007-07–15 10:39:36 | 2007-07–15 11:39:36 |

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willcooke:

jduggan, I was going to build a waterproof flatscreen in to the wall and put the box in the loft

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Rudd-O:

look at the chanid

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kormoc:

Rudd-O, are you sure you are not viewing in the wrong mode?

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Rudd-O:

wrong mode? what mode are you talking about? you either view or not view

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kormoc:

Rudd-O, so post a bug report bout it rather then bitch for 2 major versions...

[20:49:50]

kormoc:

Rudd-O, the recorded show screen supports filters that show/hide shows

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psofa_laptop:

kormoc, do you know if its possible to output at 24p over an nvidia card?

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Rudd-O:

kormoc: I'm not bitching

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Rudd-O:

I just stopped using myth, but now I'm forced to, since my new computer only has PCI express slots

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kormoc:

psofa_laptop, 24p?

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kormoc:

Rudd-O, I'm at a complete loss on how pci-e related to being 'forced' to use myth

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psofa_laptop:

kormoc, maybe my question is stupid but i mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24p

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Rudd-O:

kormoc: 2 + 2. capture card is PCI.

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psofa_laptop:

kormoc, i know that playstation does it

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Tanthrix:

psofa_laptop: Unless you have a TV capable of doing 24p such as one of those new 120 hz LCD, then it doesn't matter

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psofa_laptop:

Tanthrix, i do thats why im asking :)

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Tanthrix:

oh, hehe

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psofa_laptop:

i got it yesterday and im getting obsessed

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psofa_laptop:

:)

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Tanthrix:

psofa_laptop: Well, in that case, you want to run at 120hz. Then, 24P stuff will be properly displayed.

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GreyFoxx:

Rudd-O: So you have some recordings on disk, and in the recorded table but you don't see them Under Watch Recordings? And you have changed your View filter to show all programs ?

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psofa_laptop:

Tanthrix, i doubt that these displays accept an 120hz signal

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GreyFoxx:

Or am I misreading what wasn't working for you

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psofa_laptop:

i think they just upconvert it internally

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Tanthrix:

Hrm.

[20:54:48]

Tanthrix:

You're probably right, at least for most of them.

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psofa_laptop:

so the only thing that makes sense to me is to send 24p and let the lcd figure it out

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kormoc:

psofa_laptop, you could likely write a mode line for it, but I really donno, never bothered with it, as I don't have that much money :P

[20:57:22]

Tanthrix:

I still haven't been able to find anyone who knows just what's going on when playing back 24 fps stuff on a 60 hz set (ie, does the video card inject frames? the player?)

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psofa_laptop:

kormoc, so you say 24p is nothing more than a progressive modeline at 24hz?

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Tanthrix:

That is what 24p is

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kormoc:

psofa_laptop, aye

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subx:

everything seems to look a lot better on this new mythtv install, all the fonts seem to fit perfectly

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kormoc:

tank-man, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24p#Conversion_o . . . Ffield_rates

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psofa_laptop:

it inserts fields

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kormoc:

whoops

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: I'm talking about conversion from 24P to 60p, not NTSC

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** kormoc should go back to bed **

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Tanthrix:

So, no interlacing takes place.

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Tanthrix:

It's just an academic question really, just my curiosity

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subx:

this is SERIOUS stuff. everything works a lot faster and feels more solid

[21:02:43]

Tanthrix:

Why are you surprised? That's the whole point you know..getting better every release ;)

[21:03:09]

killaz:

how can I delete a channel using the channel editor?

[21:03:34]

killaz:

because now I have the same channels twice.

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bjweeks:

M

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killaz:

bjweeks: thank you

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bjweeks:

I had been wondering that for the longest time heh

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Simon2:

tanthrix: 60hz is the refresh rate of the screen, 24fps is the change rate of the video signal

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Rudd-O:

found a way to solve the issue

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Rudd-O:

simply "UPDATE recorded set title"

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Dagmar:

Ahem

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Dagmar:

24fps is how many new images are displayed per second.

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Dagmar:

frames, per, second.

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Dagmar:

The real magic word you want to google up for figuring out how to step that up to be in time with 60 (30) screen refreshes is "telecine"

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: What I'm trying to find out is what precisely is going on when I play a 24 fps progressive video on my 60 hz progressive monitor.

[22:03:01]

Dagmar:

Black f**king magic, mainly

[22:03:33]

Dagmar:

Mostly the playback software will just update the image 24 times a second like it should, depending on interlacing

[22:03:54]

Dagmar:

60hz (60 times a second) is enough higher than that that very little combing goes on

[22:04:24]

Dagmar:

If you have an LCD by the way, that 60Hz matters much less than it does with a CRT monitor

[22:04:40]

Dagmar:

...cuz the pixels on an LCD/TFT just stay lit all the time

[22:05:42]

Tanthrix:

But, see, that's the rub. The software cannot update 24 times a second evenly without drawing half frames or tearing or something. There's 60 slots to be filled per second, and the closest the player can get is 48 by doubling. Which means something is inserting frames.

[22:05:57]

Dagmar:

No, it just _leaves_ the frames up there

[22:06:08]

Dagmar:

Your browser isn't redrawing itself 60 times a second

[22:06:52]

Tanthrix:

I get that Dagmar. So it's leaving up a frame for two slots instead of redrawing it – same difference.

[22:07:02]

Tanthrix:

We're still only at 48

[22:07:14]

Dagmar:

Yea, but they're asyncronous anyway

[22:07:15]

keith:

how often does the zap2it labs forum go down?

[22:08:09]

Tanthrix:

So, as far as I can tell, either the video card or the playing software is inserting frames in some kind of pattern. I'd like to know which (I'd guess the decoder, not the card) and what its insertion pattern is

[22:08:16]

Dagmar:

You could get _less_ combing with a higher refresh rate on the display, but it still doesn't matter terribly much. Something has to move really fast for you to spot any kind of jitter in it at 24<->60

[22:08:29]

Dagmar:

...and getting rid of the jitter is where the "black f**king magic" and telecine comes in

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Dagmar:

Look up "telecine"

[22:08:55]

Dagmar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecine

[22:08:57]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Are you kidding? It's really easy to spot judder on a 60hz TV when looking at a slow panning shot.

[22:09:02]

Dagmar:

It's normal for the eyes to water while trying to read that

[22:09:09]

Tanthrix:

ANd yes, I already read that. But like I said, no interlacing is going on in this instance.

[22:09:26]

Dagmar:

It's the *same thing*

[22:09:40]

Dagmar:

Telecine != interlacing

[22:10:02]

Dagmar:

Specifically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecine#Frame_rate_differences

[22:10:35]

Dagmar:

"In the United States and other countries that use the NTSC television standard, film is generally photographed at 24 frame/s. Color NTSC video is broadcast at 29.97 frame/s. For the film's motion to be accurately rendered on the video signal, an NTSC telecine must use a technique called the 3:2 pulldown to convert from 24 to 29.97 frame/s."

[22:10:40]

Speedy2:

aside from de-interlacing, is there anything else Myth does to deal with progressive and interlaced video on displays?

[22:10:50]

Dagmar:

29.97 fps being effectively 60hz after doubling

[22:10:52]

Tanthrix:

And 3:2 pull down IS a form of interlacing. Read the very next section.

[22:11:03]

Dagmar:

Dude, I'v read it all over and over

[22:11:21]

Dagmar:

You are not actually reading the page.

[22:11:23]

Tanthrix:

Mplayer is not taking my 24fps video clip, interlacing it, doing a 3:2 pull down, then sending it to my TV.

[22:11:38]

Dagmar:

No, it's not.

[22:11:55]

Dagmar:

It's just updating the area of video memory it's been told to put the pretty pictures in, 24 times a second.

[22:12:04]

keith:

maybe it should, you wouldn't get tearing then

[22:12:16]

Dagmar:

VSync > tearing

[22:12:19]

keith:

you would get crappy motion interlacing, though

[22:12:41]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: This is all semantics. It's still effectively the same thing: The end result is that some frames are left up longer than others in some kind of pattern.

[22:13:04]

Dagmar:

If by "semantics" you mean "the meaning of words" then yes.

[22:13:15]

Dagmar:

Much in the same way "fire" is only separated from "not being on fire" by semantics.

[22:13:35]

Dagmar:

Interlacing is about the order of raster scan lines, which your TFT does not have

[22:13:53]

Dagmar:

From inter, and lace

[22:14:32]

Dagmar:

Similar functions are used to convert PAL scanlines to NTSC and vice-versa, but whole frames are not interlacing

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keith:

mmmm, the sarcasm is so thick, you could spread it with a knife

[22:15:16]

Dagmar:

The short of it is that the absolute best you can expect without using a display that runs in an exact multiple of 24fps (75Hz can be useful) is that you will get some frames which are _blurry_

[22:15:25]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Do I need to draw this out for you or something? At 60hz, my video card can update the screen 60 times per second should something change. That's 60 chances per second to redraw something on the screen. The film is displayed at 24 frames per second. 24 does not go into 60 evently. Ergo, some kind of pattern is being done to compensate.

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Dude, you're sitting here telling me you can see judder, and at the same time claim that something like that is being done.

[22:16:09]

Speedy2:

What refresh rate do you guys run your displays at? That is, to handle DVDs (progressive) and TV (interlaced) ?

[22:16:13]

Dagmar:

These are mutually incompatible ideas, unless "what's being done" is "nothing useful"

[22:16:34]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: You can't magically take 24fps video and display it at 60hz without some kind of judder, period.

[22:16:53]

Dagmar:

So why are you trying to tell me "some kind of pattern is being done to compensate"

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: I don't mean compensate as in magically fix. I mean compensate has in SOMETHING is being done to display the 24fps at 60 hz. Something like sticking a frame in every couple frames such that the remaining 12 frames (60–48) are taken care of

[22:18:16]

Dagmar:

No. It doesn't.

[22:18:23]

Dagmar:

I am having trouble why you even think this.

[22:18:24]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, actually, mplayer and X both don't do anything

[22:18:44]

Dagmar:

HAve your girlfriend slap you 24 times a second.

[22:18:45]

Tanthrix:

(And for the record, by stick in I also mean leave up.)

[22:18:48]

Dagmar:

Then you duck 60 times a second.

[22:18:54]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, the video window gets updated at 24 FPS and displayed at 60 FPS, nothing is adding in frames

[22:18:58]

Dagmar:

Sometimes you get smacked square in the nose, sometimes you don't.

[22:19:08]

Dagmar:

...but mostly, you're still being continously beat about the head and face.

[22:19:17]

Dagmar:

Or, here's a better example...

[22:19:18]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, it just happens that due to the refresh rate speeds, some frames get displayed more often then not

[22:19:38]

Dagmar:

In an office with fluourescent lights, you're not usually seeing a continuous image, you're seeing 60 bright flashes a second

[22:19:42]

Dagmar:

Spin a top on your desk.

[22:19:44]

Tanthrix:

kormoc: You mean some frames are displayed for more 1/60 sec units of time than others?

[22:19:49]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, but sadly, there is no inteligence behind it, deciding what frames get what special display

[22:19:51]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, aye

[22:19:53]

Dagmar:

The top does not move jerkily about to compensate for the 60Hz lighting.

[22:20:08]

Tanthrix:

kormoc: That's exactly what I'm saying. And since Dagmar's second hobby is trolling, he's going ape over it.

[22:20:11]

Dagmar:

The top moves smoothly around in circles, and when you happen to see it in a certain position, it's because it was there when the light hit it

[22:20:26]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, his point is nothing is actually thinking bout it, it just happens

[22:20:35]

Dagmar:

Exaclty.

[22:21:01]

Dagmar:

MOST of the frames wind up on the screen for longer, or shorter than they're supposed to be

[22:21:15]

Dagmar:

The overall effect is that it's "mostly" correct

[22:22:23]

Dagmar:

Now you *could* do a lot of calculus, and actually compensate for this to a small degree, but it would result in having to merge parts of multiple frames, which will make them _blurry_ at the very best

[22:22:49]

Dagmar:

...and that's a whole lotta computational power for not much use

[22:23:26]

Dagmar:

It's easier to do smoother telecine conversion with an interlaced image, because it's alreayd pretty damn blurry so you can get away with more.

[22:23:30]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: But the top is not spinning in discreet 1/24 second movements.

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: EXACTLY.

[22:23:59]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: If it *were* you'd still only be seeing it in whatever position it happened to be in when the light pulse struck it

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[22:24:19]

Dagmar:

Kick on Vsync

[22:24:43]

Dagmar:

If it works on your setup, it'll at least reduce the incidences of tearing where the image mplayer is putting out is changed in the middle of a display update

[22:25:00]

Tanthrix:

I have Xv v-sync on and I experiece no tearing of any kind.

[22:25:06]

Dagmar:

...it'll basically only change the image when your display isn't looking at it

[22:25:11]

Speedy2:

Does Myth have anyway of using XRandR to change the resolution on-the-fly ?

[22:25:21]

Tanthrix:

I'm just trying to understand the whole general mismash

[22:25:33]

Dagmar:

Speedy2: it can use different resolutions between the menus and the video

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Perhaps the confusion is just because it all sucks and there is no 100% accurate way to do telecine conversion

[22:26:12]

Speedy2:

Dagmar: I guess what I was getting at is if there was some nice way to switch into a progressive modeline when playing back a DVD or P content video and use an interlaced modeline the rest of the time.

[22:26:13]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Yes, I do understand that.

[22:26:37]

Dagmar:

Speedy2: I'm not sure... I don't _think_ so but it's possible.

[22:26:47]

Dagmar:

This is why I use s-video output on my mVidia card.

[22:26:52]

Speedy2:

Ah, I was about to ask.

[22:27:19]

Dagmar:

nVidia's driver does some black magic to interlace in the video card when progressive scan video is applied to a video widget

[22:27:35]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, maybe we should start on something similar. Let's say you look at a picture every 10 seconds, and I can change it every 12. The first time we sync up. So time #1 you see image 1, time #2, you still see image 1, cause I haven't changed it yet, #3 you see my #2, same with #4, and so on and so on

[22:27:42]

Dagmar:

So, if it's interlaced, it just works like usual on an interlaced TV. If it's not, it deinterlaces for you

[22:27:54]

Speedy2:

Probably smart enough to double the frame rate to get the 60 fps field-rate

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Speedy2:

So stupid given all of this is "technically" solvable.

[22:28:19]

Dagmar:

Speedy2: Using contracts with the devil and a tiny screaming soul on the video chip

[22:28:44]

Dagmar:

*sigh*

[22:28:45]

someninjamaster:

what would cause myth to skip every 10 seconds

[22:28:50]

Dagmar:

You dont' have to double the frame rate

[22:29:00]

Dagmar:

You just have to leave the same image up there for two frames

[22:29:48]

Dagmar:

Erm... at a guess, turn on the "use video as timebase" option

[22:29:56]

Speedy2:

Well if your DVD is 30 fps (P) and your TV is 60 fps (i) then it would just take the 30 fps and render odd-lines on one field update and even-lines on the other.

[22:30:37]

Dagmar:

It does some magic to shift them up and down a bit as well

[22:30:41]

Tanthrix:

kormoc: Hrm, I think I'm beginning to understand now

[22:30:45]

Dagmar:

definitely black f**king magic

[22:30:58]

Speedy2:

Screw this whole interlaced crap.

[22:31:10]

Dagmar:

Yes, again, this is why I jsut use the s-video output

[22:31:21]

Dagmar:

Someone else has solved this problem, so it doesnt' give me an aneurism,

[22:32:17]

Dagmar:

If I had an LCD display, this is the sort of shit that would definitely keep me up nights.

[22:32:58]

Speedy2:

Would it be worthwhile to file a feature request for Myth to use XRandR to switch resolutions/modes?

[22:33:39]

kormoc:

Speedy2, feature requests go in the wiki, just so you kno

[22:33:41]

kormoc:

*know

[22:33:48]

Speedy2:

ok, thx

[22:34:04]

GreyFoxx:

Speedy2: Myth will already do that if you compile in xrandr support

[22:34:28]

Speedy2:

GreyFoxx: So if I play a DVD Myth can use a different modeline?

[22:34:52]

Speedy2:

GreyFoxx: Or is it only for the menus?

[22:34:59]

GreyFoxx:

It's for video playback

[22:35:13]

GreyFoxx:

I don't use it at all myself, but it's been in there a long time

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Speedy2:

GreyFoxx: Great, thanks for that info.

[22:36:48]

Dagmar:

Very cool

[22:36:55]

Speedy2:

I'm using a 22" VGA CRT for my display and it can do interlaced and non-interlaced — nice to be able to use that.

[22:37:09]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar/kormoc: Ok, I think I understand now.

[22:37:42]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar/kormoc: What I was describing was basically the end result of what you see, not the actual process, which I know know that there is no process. It's more just like a beat frequency

[22:37:50]

Dagmar:

Yes.

[22:37:50]

Tanthrix:

now know*

[22:37:53]

Dagmar:

You definitely have it now

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Tanthrix:

In any case, I wish I had a 120hz set. When I start thinking about this stuff it drives me crazy to see it.

[22:40:57]

Tanthrix:

Those slow panning LotR opening shots are ruined for me forever!

[22:41:47]

Dagmar:

Well, if you dedicated another machine to the task about 3Ghz or so, you could possibly to some realtime image diddling to try to shift around parts of it to compensate.

[22:41:48]

Dagmar:

:)

[22:42:07]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[22:42:20]

Dagmar:

Hollywood does it all the time

[22:43:03]

Tanthrix:

I honestly just wish they'd start filming at 60fps.

[22:43:54]

Dagmar:

Some studios do

[22:44:01]

Dagmar:

Some do it at 120fps

[22:44:15]

Dagmar:

You can always drop frames, but never can you get them back without a big mess

[22:44:20]

Tanthrix:

Indeed.

[22:44:45]

Dagmar:

...plus those slow-motion action scenes would look like shit if they filmed them at a piddling 24fps

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Dagmar:

...although much of that is done through CG magic nowadays

[22:49:03]

kormoc:

So, what is a good term for the people in a irc channel?

[22:49:16]

Tanthrix:

Idiots?

[22:49:29]

Dagmar:

Moving expensive video cameras at the speed and rate of directional change some of these shots are taken in would result in the camera operator losing his lunch, or quite possibly breaking loose and smashing through the side of the commisary trailer

[22:49:44]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, heh, I was hoping for something a little less jaded...

[22:50:15]

ShockValue:

Id-10-ts?

[22:50:42]

Dagmar:

Now, technically, these people can be said to have a IQ of only two digits rougly 50% of the time, but that doesn't make them idiots.

[22:50:47]

Dagmar:

That starts at 70 and below

[22:51:53]

ShockValue:

hrpmh.. im running a linux desktop and ive found good (or better) replacements for my windows software.. but the newsgroup leechers are.. lacking

[22:54:24]

Dagmar:

Pan

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ShockValue:

yeah, its ok

[22:54:44]

Dagmar:

ok?

[22:54:47]

Dagmar:

Heh

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kormoc:

it's rather much the newsgroup reader

[22:55:06]

Dagmar:

it can download more porn than you could use if you had nine hands and three wangs

[22:55:29]

Dagmar:

How much faster do you need a newsleecher to be?

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ShockValue:

well yeah, it can download.. but the interface is ... meh.. same with klibido

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Dagmar:

I think that's basically news for ya

[22:55:59]

Dagmar:

Table and threaded views are about the only meaningful ways that can be represented

[22:56:02]

ShockValue:

besides, a newsleecher software has nothing to do with speed.. thats my bandwidth and my provider

[22:56:17]

ShockValue:

so all they have left is the interface.. and thats the part thats lacking

[22:57:00]

bmk789:

does mythtv have a section for downloaded TV?

[22:57:17]

ShockValue:

I use MythVideo for that

[22:58:37]

bmk789:

but to me, downloaded TV should be under TV, not mixed in with movies

[22:59:05]

bmk789:

could a section be added for downloaded TV

[22:59:07]

kormoc:

bmk789, you can add it by hand to the recorded shows by adding in database entries for it

[22:59:18]

bmk789:

ah

[22:59:24]

Dagmar:

bmk789: add categories

[22:59:26]

clever:

might http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/store/motherboards/EPIA_800 be usefull for a frontend?

[22:59:32]

bmk789:

but theres currently no automated tool for adding downloaded video?

[22:59:40]

Tanthrix:

bmk789: Mythvideo is essentially a glorified file browser. You can make whatever the hell folders you want to call it. Make one for your tentacle porn collection if you like.

[22:59:54]

clever:

lol

[22:59:57]

kormoc:

bmk789, no, there is not

[23:00:29]

Tanthrix:

bmk789: Depends on what you mean by automated. Mythvideo is a file browser if you want it to be, so whatever you download will just show up like anything else.

[23:00:40]

ShockValue:

clever: ive run something like that for a while as a frontend... worked OK for SD.. forget HD though

[23:00:49]

Speedy2:

ShockValue: HD MPEG2 or MPEG4?

[23:00:52]

Dagmar:

It is hoped that at some point in the future, MythVideo and MythTV will stop storing their stuff separately and instead will use one DB with a whole pile of metatags

[23:00:54]

clever:

no hd recorders here

[23:00:59]

clever:

only sd content

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kormoc:

Speedy2, both would fail

[23:01:24]

clever:

some of the tv's ive taken appart have so much room i could allmost stick that motherboard INSIDE the tv:P

[23:01:27]

Speedy2:

If you use an nVidia card with XvMC, you can at least how HD MPEG2, right?

[23:01:34]

clever:

if i didnt have the pci card on it

[23:01:37]

ShockValue:

whatever version of MPEG is coming from a firewire on a dtc6200

[23:01:37]

kormoc:

Speedy2, not at 800 mhz, no

[23:01:47]

Speedy2:

DCT6200 you mean?

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clever:

it may need a sheild though to protect it from the rf

[23:01:52]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: God I hope not. Or at least, I hope the current way of doing things is maintained. Some of us just want a simple file browser.

[23:01:52]

ShockValue:

yeah sure

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Speedy2:

kormoc: I think I was able to playback an HD MPEG2 stream with XvMC (via mplayer) and my CPU utilization was pretty low. Just curious how that translates to usage in Myth

[23:03:56]

kormoc:

Speedy2, well, XvMC is very flaky. What works well on one box doesn't on another, and via's are very well known for having XvMC make things worse on them

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ShockValue:

well HD on my current frontend took about 95% of the CPU with a FX5200, and about 95% of the cpu with a 7600GS. both with xvmc enabled.

[23:04:51]

Tanthrix:

Speedy2: On all of my systems myth has always been less efficient than mplayer for the same file, with all filters / deinterlacing / etc. turned off. On my older system HD stuff that worked in mplayer was choppy in myth

[23:04:55]

Dagmar:

ShockValue: Nvidia card?

[23:05:05]

Dagmar:

Oh duh yes of course

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Dagmar:

Dude, look in the README for the "UseEvents" flag

[23:05:18]

Dagmar:

It will help

[23:05:35]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Speaking to me?

[23:05:40]

Dagmar:

No, ShockValue

[23:05:55]

Dagmar:

...unless you're not doing MPEG.

[23:06:03]

ShockValue:

nvidia readme or mythtv readme?

[23:06:09]

kormoc:

ShockValue, nvidia

[23:06:11]

Dagmar:

If you're doing x264 then basically, "moar CPU" is the only thing that will appease the beast

[23:06:13]

Tanthrix:

No, I was. HD MPEG2 TS

[23:06:19]

Dagmar:

ShockValue: Nvidia driver readme

[23:06:35]

ShockValue:

ill check it out

[23:07:17]

Tanthrix:

ShockValue: Sometimes XvMC just doesn't work, so be aware of that.

[23:07:28]

Dagmar:

It basically does something different enough that the difference between polling and blocking file locks becomes reasonable

[23:07:38]

Dagmar:

er a reasonable comparison

[23:07:46]

ShockValue:

well the output says its using xvmc, i assumed that meant it was working

[23:08:04]

Dagmar:

It probably is working

[23:08:08]

Dagmar:

It's hard to break it

[23:08:08]

Tanthrix:

ShockValue: By work I meant be more efficient than software decoding.

[23:08:31]

ShockValue:

yeah, i dont see much difference when i turn it on or off.. maybe 5% decrease in CPU

[23:08:53]

Dagmar:

It's helping with the mpeg decoding

[23:09:16]

Speedy2:

Wish nVidia weren't POSes and would release GPU assisted x264 / HD decode support

[23:09:18]

Speedy2:

(in Linux)

[23:09:33]

Dagmar:

Give them time

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kormoc:

Speedy2, would you perfer that they don't don't bother with anything?

[23:10:07]

Tanthrix:

Speedy2: Be thankful for what they do. Right not barely anything can even come close to what nvidia has done in linux

[23:10:17]

Speedy2:

kormoc: Of course not. Just that they could get in here and actually revolutionize Linux/digital TV

[23:10:25]

Speedy2:

kormoc: Build more market share.

[23:11:03]

kormoc:

Speedy2, they've said time and time again they're planning on it, just not high priority right now, and calling them POSes won't help...

[23:11:08]

Tanthrix:

Anyone hear anything recent about a multi-threaded x264 decoder for linux?

[23:11:19]

Speedy2:

kormoc: Touche.

[23:12:14]

Tanthrix:

Thought I read on the mailing list somewhere a while back that ffmpeg was going to have one by August

[23:12:48]

ShockValue:

Option useevents "true" that goes in the device section, correct?

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Dagmar:

I believe so

[23:13:35]

Dagmar:

X will let you know real quick if it's not. heh

[23:13:44]

ShockValue:

they dont specifically say, but it makes sense :)

[23:13:46]

janneg:

Tanthrix: it is not yet commited since it slows down the single threaded case down

[23:14:22]

Tanthrix:

janneg: So it's actually made and functional?

[23:15:18]

janneg:

yes

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Tanthrix:

janneg: That's great news! How well does it work?

[23:15:47]

Tanthrix:

Does it cause any quality problems like CoreAVC?

[23:17:58]

killaz:

is there a list of cards which are know that does not give the annoying black border on my tv?

[23:18:21]

Tanthrix:

killaz: You using an nvidia card? If so, which one?

[23:18:33]

Tanthrix:

I think GF4 and later have overscan adjustment in nvidia-settings

[23:18:46]

killaz:

nvidia GF2 MX/MX400

[23:19:01]

Tanthrix:

Ahh, probably not then. I think I had that same problem years back

[23:19:04]

killaz:

Tanthrix: ok so I need to buy GF4 and above

[23:19:09]

janneg:

Tanthrix: it doesn't PAFF and MBAFF + spatial direct mv

[23:19:12]

Tanthrix:

I believe so, but don't quote me on it

[23:19:24]

janneg:

otherwise quality is good

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killaz:

Tanthrix: so you dont have that problem anymore?

[23:19:36]

Tanthrix:

janneg: I'm afraid I'm not sure what you mean by that

[23:19:58]

Tanthrix:

killaz: Well, I do DVI out nowadays, so no ;) But my GF4 in the other room does have support for it.

[23:20:27]

janneg:

that are encoding kinds for h264

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[23:21:04]

killaz:

plasma tv?

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Tanthrix:

LCD

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janneg:

Tanthrix: if you want to try it: http://www.grunau.be/ffmpeg_sync_9430_mt_h264_13888.diff.bz2 patch against mythtv trunk revision 13888

[23:21:55]

Tanthrix:

Interesting, thanks.

[23:22:02]

Tanthrix:

Any patches for mplayer?

[23:22:19]

Tanthrix:

killaz: The overscan feature only works on tv-out though. Is that what you're using?

[23:22:46]

killaz:

yup....

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killaz:

S-VIDEO

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Tanthrix:

Should work then, but beware, some TVs just have issues

[23:23:17]

killaz:

I still have a analog tv

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janneg:

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Tanthrix:

janneg: Cool, thanks.

[23:23:45]

janneg:

h264-parallel-take3.diff

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ShockValue:

Dagmar: interesting effect of that nvidia option.. doesnt helm my CPU usage, but even though I peg out at 100% usage, it doesnt make the video or audio glitch like it does without it

[23:30:44]

ShockValue:

-m +p

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Dagmar:

That probably means that you were peaking beyond 100% CPU usage

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ShockValue:

i could always count on skips when i saw top hit 100%, but in my little tests i just did, i hit 100% a few times and it played smooth still

[23:32:05]

Dagmar:

yay xvmc

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ShockValue:

so i turned on Bob2x de-interlace and it still played smooth

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Dagmar:

Full of woderful black magic

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Plugh:

Any ideas why the current version of MythTV which I build from SVN defaults to browsing the pictures in my home directory when it first starts instead of showing the main "TV, Videos, etc" menu that it used to show on start up?

[23:34:19]

ShockValue:

anyone want to trade a nice ATI video card for some hard drives? :)

[23:34:57]

ShockValue:

thats weird, have you modified any of your menu's in ~/.mythtv ?

[23:35:22]

Plugh:

No. Just using the standard menus.

[23:35:49]

Plugh:

Only just started happening as of a couple of days after after my last svn up

[23:36:14]

Plugh:

I just hit escape to get back to the main menus

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ShockValue:

<shrugs> i dunno man, im still on 20 stable release

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keith:

what is it with people using svn

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keith:

and then wondering why shit doesn't work

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Plugh:

When I first tried to use MythTV it seemed it would work with my card so I updated to SVN. I haven't gone back to the stable releases since the svn version made changes to the database structure.

[23:38:38]

Plugh:

I suppose I could just wipe out the db and start over with a stable version.

[23:38:41]

Tanthrix:

SVN works pretty damn well most of the time, so it's reasonable to expect that.

[23:38:54]

Tanthrix:

They don't comitt stuff that is horrendously broken

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Dagmar:

"most of the time"

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Plugh:

I had one minor problem and commented on it and it got fixed.

[23:39:20]

keith:

i mean, it's good to have people test stuff

[23:39:21]

Tanthrix:

Most enough to assume that something isn't working it's probably a user issue before assuming it's broken in the code

[23:39:24]

Dagmar:

Asymptotically approaching 100% still means someone is scratching their theoretical head

[23:39:35]

Plugh:

I use it mainly for TV watching since its the only thing that works with my tuner card.

[23:40:08]

Dagmar:

Some people are also lucky enough to get code while someone is in the middle of a multi-part checkin

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Plugh:

yeah. That always makes for interesting results.

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Dagmar:

0.20-fixes has all the bugs I need

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