| Thursday, July 12th, 2007, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:10] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | xris: Did z2i also chop the 'free' linups down to 2? |
| [00:00:30] | xris: | I don't know anything about that |
| [00:00:35] | xris: | have only ever used one lineup |
| [00:01:11] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | xris: I had 4 setup – 1 normal dish, 1 local OTA HD, 1 local OTA SD, and one other 'extra'... only 2 remain atm... yuck... |
| [00:02:29] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | ... and their 'add a lineup' page is broken... "The webpage cannot be found"... |
| [00:03:24] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | ... at least for 'local broadcast'... cable/sattellite seems to work... (ugghhhh!) |
| [00:04:13] | xris: | J-e-f-f-A-2: it's my understanding that they had some kind of hardware failure last week... |
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| [00:04:48] | Altair256: | yay! |
| [00:05:02] | Altair256: | TV Data made Easy :) |
| [00:05:06] | Altair256: | we can hope :) |
| [00:05:07] | xris: | we hope... :) |
| [00:05:17] | Altair256: | lol |
| [00:06:08] | juski: | Altair256: re your comment about flash earlier – you'd better be kidding man! |
| [00:06:18] | Altair256: | lol |
| [00:06:29] | Altair256: | well.. you said you wanted "icons zooming across the screen" or some such |
| [00:06:44] | juski: | I think only a finite number of possible animation types would be a better place to start |
| [00:07:07] | juski: | might well happen by 2020 at the rate my coding improves :) |
| [00:07:13] | ** J-e-f-f-A-2 configures his HD tuners for EIT data... ** | |
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| [00:11:56] | Altair256: | so I understand what's going on for everyone else right now... |
| [00:12:06] | Altair256: | DataDirect "is" or "is not" working for others right now? |
| [00:12:42] | Altair256: | when I try to download my lineups in mythtv-setup it hangs at 50% trying to contact datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com |
| [00:13:10] | Altair256: | September first is still nearly 8 weeks away >.> |
| [00:14:24] | jams: | Altair256- works here |
| [00:14:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | Altair256: Working for me at the moment... |
| [00:14:43] | Altair256: | hrm, I wonder if I'm doing something wrong |
| [00:14:47] | jams: | anybody in here using att uverse? |
| [00:15:55] | jams: | guess thats a big no |
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| [00:20:01] | mchou: | xris: umm, linux is too heavily represented on the easytvdata board. howcome the winblows dudes arent doing any heavy liftting? |
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| [00:20:30] | xris: | mchou: graeme blackly (author of gb-pvr) is not american, and opted not to be on the board. |
| [00:20:31] | mchou: | xris: by linux I mean "non-windows" |
| [00:20:33] | voltagex: | right, I think I'm in the right channel now. |
| [00:21:03] | xris: | mchou: we wanted a heavier open source representation... that left off the others. |
| [00:21:37] | mchou: | xris: well, I'm not so sure that's inclusive (nor such a great plan) |
| [00:21:48] | voltagex: | svn is noticably faster on my machine than 0.20-fixes – I'm wondering if that's more to do with the "processor optimization flag" though |
| [00:22:04] | xris: | mchou: it works by the numbers. everyone involved seems happy with the decision. |
| [00:22:05] | mchou: | xris: there are more subtle ways of stacking a board :) |
| [00:22:18] | xris: | board will be publicly elected next year, anyway. |
| [00:23:20] | voltagex: | what discussion have I walked into? |
| [00:23:39] | xris: | voltagex: http://easytvdata.org/ |
| [00:24:15] | voltagex: | wow. |
| [00:24:22] | voltagex: | we need something like that in Australia |
| [00:24:27] | ** GreyFoxx waits for the conspiracy types to jump up with their theories of how it's all evil :) ** | |
| [00:24:39] | voltagex: | the TV stations are really uptight about the listing data. |
| [00:24:58] | xris: | voltagex: thought you guys had a way to buy the data already |
| [00:25:21] | voltagex: | xris: yes, buy... it's listing data ffs, why shouldn't it be free? |
| [00:25:33] | xris: | easytvdata won't be free, either. |
| [00:25:36] | mchou: | voltage has a point |
| [00:25:52] | xris: | the data is expensive. REALLY expensive. |
| [00:25:55] | voltagex: | yeah, I get that when you start talking about financial/tax/accountancy |
| [00:26:04] | voltagex: | xris: but who's setting the price? |
| [00:26:06] | xris: | and gathering |
| [00:26:07] | mchou: | I agree w/voltagex |
| [00:26:17] | mchou: | all that overhead |
| [00:26:21] | xris: | price is set by the distributor of the data |
| [00:26:40] | GreyFoxx: | Which we are still negotiating to get the best price for users |
| [00:26:55] | voltagex: | ok, I'll stay out of this one as it doesn't apply to me. |
| [00:27:20] | mchou: | that's funny since there is nobody on the board w/ biz negotiation experience |
| [00:27:24] | xris: | voltagex: would be cool to be able to offer the service to non-north-americans eventually... maybe do bulk purchasing from the AU sources or something. |
| [00:27:25] | mchou: | lol |
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| [00:27:33] | mchou: | the blind leading the blind |
| [00:27:34] | hads: | Damn, I thought that would be simpler than it is. |
| [00:27:45] | voltagex: | xris: you'd be competing with IceTV then. |
| [00:27:51] | xris: | mchou: um... lawyers? and how do you know the background of the board? |
| [00:27:56] | GreyFoxx: | Exactly |
| [00:28:14] | GreyFoxx: | Just cause people have acomputer hobby doesn't mean anything about their daily work experience |
| [00:28:26] | GreyFoxx: | I know many lawyers who work on Opensource projects |
| [00:28:35] | GreyFoxx: | not all are computer geeks by day |
| [00:28:48] | voltagex: | damn, I'm a computer geek by day and night |
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| [00:29:05] | mchou: | xris: lawyers arent necessarily business-oriented negotiatiors. I know plenty of lawyers that fall in that category |
| [00:29:22] | voltagex: | mchou: what is the point of this argument you're having? |
| [00:29:33] | hads: | StateChange gets in the way |
| [00:29:43] | jams: | voltagex- he doesn't have one. he just like to argue |
| [00:29:59] | mchou: | they migh no how to negotiate a way around a business contract but they don't know how to negotiate on the bigger aspects. (the finesse) |
| [00:30:13] | juski: | really? can't say I've ever noticed |
| [00:30:18] | jams: | hehe |
| [00:30:34] | voltagex: | is the mythbackend initscript maintained by mythtv or is than an ubuntu thing? |
| [00:30:39] | juski: | ubunut |
| [00:30:42] | jams: | ubuntu |
| [00:30:58] | voltagex: | damn, I'll have to bitch to them about it then. |
| [00:30:59] | edman007: | Hi, mythtv stopped working and i'm trying to figure out if its compiz or mythtv (i'm thinking mythtv right now), right now it hangs (well somewhat anyways) at "Registering Internal as a media playback plugin.", and i get the background of the theme and no menus (ESC still works to quit) |
| [00:31:08] | juski: | bloody outed myself at LRL didn't I.. they saw the machine boot up on the cinema screen :( |
| [00:31:39] | voltagex: | edman007: compiz & mythtv didn't play well the last time I used them. |
| [00:31:39] | juski: | edman007: maybe comPoS is to blame.. crappy beta software & all that |
| [00:31:43] | mchou: | voltagex: hey, more power to them. I'm just point out some things which some ppl havent considered |
| [00:32:03] | voltagex: | mchou: the point is they're doing *something* |
| [00:32:11] | voltagex: | and it's hard to please everyone. |
| [00:32:18] | jams: | woohoo install via vnc is working |
| [00:32:20] | juski: | impossible to please some! |
| [00:32:32] | juski: | insatiable bitches, those ones |
| [00:33:13] | voltagex: | juski: I didn't think there were mythtv groupies.\ |
| [00:33:34] | mchou: | voltagex: doing something is not the same as knowing what you're doing |
| [00:34:04] | mchou: | voltagex: and I like I said, of course I wish them success |
| [00:34:59] | mchou: | which is why I'm pointing out some holes on the existing board |
| [00:35:26] | juski: | hahahah. if only! |
| [00:35:56] | voltagex: | Column 'recdir' cannot be null |
| [00:36:02] | voltagex: | ^ that can't be good |
| [00:36:35] | juski: | sounds like something related to storage groups |
| [00:36:57] | juski: | you _did_ run mythtv-setup after the upgrade & make sure all was sane, yes? |
| [00:37:01] | voltagex: | juski: that came up when I ran mythcommflag --rebuild to fix a broken file |
| [00:37:27] | juski: | hmmm |
| [00:37:58] | xris: | voltagex: I believe that mchou's point is that he's an expert on knowing about how things should be done, and likes to express his opinion. |
| [00:38:24] | mchou: | xris: yeah, whatever |
| [00:38:31] | juski: | an expert on everything, I heard.. |
| [00:38:59] | mchou: | xris: it's rather obvious from the composition of the board. |
| [00:39:57] | xris: | mchou: proper business procedure (and if you've ever had management experience, you should learn this) is that if you don't know how to do something, it's time to hire someone to do it for you. |
| [00:40:04] | xris: | we've been doing pretty well so far on both counts. |
| [00:40:16] | mchou: | xris: then that's fine. |
| [00:40:47] | voltagex: | juski: yes I ran mythtv-setup... the corrupt file happened when the stable backend crashed a few days ago ;) |
| [00:41:11] | juski: | voltagex: some basic queries will turn up the info you need I expect |
| [00:41:45] | voltagex: | oh dear.. 0: start_time: -9223372036854.775 duration: -9223372036854.775 |
| [00:41:50] | voltagex: | yep |
| [00:41:54] | juski: | maybe the table didn't get updated when you did the upgrade |
| [00:41:59] | voltagex: | it did. |
| [00:42:13] | juski: | ok maybe that row didn't get updated |
| [00:42:23] | voltagex: | yeah, it's not much of a problem |
| [00:43:29] | hads: | Any hints on where I should be looking in the source to see where keypresses are initially processed? |
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| [00:49:50] | voltagex: | juski: the row is correct... help?! |
| [00:51:06] | juski: | voltagex: dunno then – maybe mythcommflag is an old/wrong version |
| [00:52:21] | juski: | and I've just checked – mythcommflag doesn't have version info available |
| [00:52:44] | juski: | try 'which mythcommflag' & see if its path agrees with the other myth programs |
| [00:52:54] | juski: | for starters ^^ |
| [00:53:37] | voltagex: | 2007-07–12 10:51:48.042 mythcommflag version: 0.20.20070327–1 www.mythtv.org |
| [00:54:14] | voltagex: | /usr/bin/mythcommflag |
| [00:54:31] | voltagex: | yep, that's where I set --prefix to |
| [00:55:13] | juski: | ah it must be -fixes which doesn't have ver. info for that then :) |
| [00:55:33] | juski: | so is there indeed a 'recdir' column in the 'recorded' table? |
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| [00:57:39] | voltagex: | fuck, no there isn't a recdir |
| [00:58:14] | juski: | so something's amiss then |
| [00:58:16] | voltagex: | I *watched* mythtv-setup upgrade the database. |
| [00:58:17] | xris: | voltagex: please no swearing (unless you're Bono) |
| [00:58:52] | voltagex: | xris: okies. darn the jolly gosh mythtv gosh crikey stone the crows. |
| [00:59:14] | juski: | voltagex: my 1st guess would be that the recdir column indicates the dir where the recording is stored |
| [00:59:35] | juski: | I don't have by dev box powered up so can't confirm that, but it's a reasonable assumption I think |
| [00:59:51] | juski: | s/by/my |
| [01:00:17] | voltagex: | the error above it says it was trying to insert a row into 'inuse' |
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| [01:00:53] | hads: | Hmm, how about where keypresses (jumpoints) are handled in LiveTV? |
| [01:01:01] | voltagex: | so, how badly broken is my install and is it fixable? |
| [01:01:04] | juski: | 'inuse' ? can't say I've ever seen that entity |
| [01:01:16] | voltagex: | inuseprograms |
| [01:01:18] | juski: | voltagex: gimme 5 mins |
| [01:01:22] | voltagex: | which does indeed have a recdir column |
| [01:01:33] | juski: | is the column null though? |
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| [01:01:50] | voltagex: | yep, there's only one entry in the table too |
| [01:02:21] | voltagex: | sorry, mistake |
| [01:02:40] | voltagex: | inuseprograms.recdir is set to "not null" |
| [01:02:50] | juski: | the only sure way would be either to look in the code or to ask whoever did the storagegroups stuff |
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| [01:03:36] | TTT_Travis: | what is the best way to run mythfrontend on older hardware? should I use Xfce or what? |
| [01:03:47] | juski: | and there's always the possibility you found a bug, voltagex ;) |
| [01:03:52] | TTT_Travis: | I want to save the most resources possible for mythfrotnend |
| [01:03:59] | voltagex: | juski: I don't have the time to track it down right now |
| [01:04:12] | voltagex: | juski: but I'll keep that in mind and log any other errors I see |
| [01:04:50] | juski: | TTT_Travis: on any hardware running a frontend, you generally don't want or need a full desktop environment |
| [01:04:59] | juski: | unless it's also a desktop machine ;) |
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| [01:06:11] | juski: | oh NOW my dev box decides it needs to fsck |
| [01:06:12] | juski: | fsck! |
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| [01:10:23] | hads: | Ah of course, mythmainwindow |
| [01:10:46] | voltagex: | juski: looks like I caused the problem by trying to start too many jobs – mythjobqueue is freaking out ;) |
| [01:11:47] | juski: | bleh |
| [01:12:04] | juski: | The system is going down for maintenance NOW! |
| [01:12:09] | voltagex: | bai |
| [01:12:22] | juski: | I should go to bed anyways – tis early |
| [01:13:49] | juski: | g'night! |
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| [01:16:22] | hads: | Hmm, so MainWindow->JumpTo is used if you do a jumppoint from the network control but not from the frontend itself. |
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| [01:46:09] | ircleuser: | hey guys, does anyone know how to set a "starting channel" for my sources? |
| [01:46:15] | ircleuser: | using knoppmyth |
| [01:47:24] | hads: | mythtv-setup |
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| [01:50:03] | ircleuser: | hads: do I have to manually specify a starting channel, or is there a way to "scan for channels", and select among those found? |
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| [01:51:54] | ircleuser: | nevermind... got it.. |
| [01:52:21] | mcf3781: | I'm looking for some help with making my knopmyth installation of mythtv talk to my Sony DirecTV reciver so I can change channels. I've kind of googled myself into being more confused about the relationship between myth and lirc than I was when I started. Can anyone point me to some good information or instructions? |
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| [01:53:46] | mcf3781: | I have a PVR-150 card. Supposedly, it has the ability to send IR commands. I just can't figure out how to properly configure it and/or lirc |
| [01:56:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | mcf3781: Does your directv box have a serial port (or "Low Speed Data" port) on the back? |
| [01:57:09] | mcf3781: | I don't remember. let me go look. |
| [01:57:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | mcf3781: it might also be called a "home control" jack — that looks like a phone jack. |
| [01:57:52] | mcf3781: | yes. there is a female DB-9 connector that's labeled "low speed data" |
| [01:58:56] | mcf3781: | Sony SAT-B3 DirecTV receiver, in case the specific model makes a difference. |
| [01:58:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | mcf3781: Ok, then control it with serial. You just need the proper serial cable and a perl script called "sony.pl" -- |
| [02:00:59] | mcf3781: | Cool. So instead of controlling the DirecTV receiver via IR, build a serial cable to connect the serial port on the myth box to the low-speed-data port on the Sony DirecTV receiver? |
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| [02:02:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | mcf3781: Yes. I'd only use IR if you have to... I have 3 dish receivers, and that's the only way I can control them. Sometimes things get in a strange state, and you get an hour of the preview channel or "you are not authorized to receive this channel..." yuck. |
| [02:03:06] | mcf3781: | I have that problem from time to time with my TiVo, so I'm used to seeing that. :) |
| [02:03:43] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, I'm always scared it will auto buy something... |
| [02:04:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: That's why I don't keep any phone lines plugged in! ;-) |
| [02:04:31] | mcf3781: | heh.. yea.. that'd be my luck... 4000 purchases of the playboy channel or something. |
| [02:05:07] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, I don't have any plugged in as well, but they told me that it's not needed with my receiver somehow? |
| [02:05:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | mcf3781: "If your DirecTV receiver has a 9 pin low speed data port, a common serial extention cable can be used to connect it to your PC" |
| [02:05:28] | mcf3781: | should sony.pl be on my knopmyth box already? My google foo seems very weak today. :( |
| [02:05:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: With Dish network, it's only needed for Pay-Per-View... |
| [02:05:57] | mcf3781: | Cool! I've got several of those already |
| [02:06:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | mcf3781: So now just google for sony.pl , or it might even be on your system... try a locate... |
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| [02:08:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | so... call me an idiot, but I made my font bigger in KDE on my bedroom machine, so I can read it from 10' away in my bedroom, but now the menu fonts don't display in Myth... I put them back, but they still don't display. What did I screw up? |
| [02:09:26] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, idiot |
| [02:09:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | mcf3781: http://biobug.org/mythtv/sony.pl.txt |
| [02:09:45] | ** J-e-f-f-A deserves that! ;-) ** | |
| [02:09:49] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, anyway, I have dish, but yeah, the guy was like, 'you can order ppv via the receiver without a phoneline, blah blah blah' |
| [02:09:52] | TTT_Travis: | on my mythfrontend I don't want to have a hard drive because it seems like a waste, can I just run something on my server and netboot off that for my frontend? |
| [02:09:54] | mcf3781: | I did that... The way I finally cleared it up, was to exit out of mythfrontend and start it again.. it ent through the pre-scale images thing again and it was back to readable. |
| [02:09:56] | kormoc: | so I donno... I don't want to really check it :P |
| [02:09:59] | TTT_Travis: | can anyone point me to any guides on this? |
| [02:10:42] | kormoc: | TTT_Travis, http://www.google.com/search?q=nfs+root |
| [02:11:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: I think if you order a ppv, the first time it does a 'phone check', but then lets you run up like $20 without having to dial out. Then it shuts you off until you plug in the phone line until it can 'phone home'... |
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| [02:11:39] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, I guess the tech was just hitting the crack a tad too much then, so good to know |
| [02:11:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Well, you can order PPV's online, and they beam it to your box. But it costs another $3 or so... |
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| [02:12:07] | armbar: | hello |
| [02:13:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | mcf3781: So, do you have it working yet???? |
| [02:15:29] | ** J-e-f-f-A "Maintenance? We don't need no stinkin' maintenance!!!" ;-) ** | |
| [02:15:41] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [02:16:02] | psofa: | TTT_Travis, its pretty easy |
| [02:16:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hey kormoc, that reminds me — you did some of the upnp stuff, right? |
| [02:16:20] | psofa: | just select the corresponding option in kernel for booting from nfs |
| [02:16:24] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, nopers, not a char |
| [02:16:27] | mcf3781: | j-e-f-f-A: Looking for a serial cable in my junk box. :) |
| [02:16:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Oops... Was it CaptianMurdoch? |
| [02:16:53] | psofa: | plus the networking plug and play option so that the kernel is network aware at bootup |
| [02:17:03] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, I think so, aye |
| [02:17:14] | mcf3781: | I got the script from the link though. Thanks! I'm guessing that I just put the fully qualified path to that script in the myth config's channel change command field? |
| [02:17:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | mcf3781: If it's anything like the dish channel change scripts (which I'm sure it is), yes... |
| [02:18:04] | mcf3781: | dag-nabbit... every cable I've pulled out of this box so far has been the wrong sex. |
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| [02:18:11] | mcf3781: | story of my life. :( |
| [02:18:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | mcf3781: Then use "Live TV" to test it |
| [02:18:16] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs! ;-) ** | |
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| [02:18:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | mcf3781 needs a gender-bender... ;-) |
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| [02:19:10] | mcf3781: | yes. :) |
| [02:19:11] | ** J-e-f-f-A ooh! Looks like they're doing the maintenance! ** | |
| [02:19:33] | Altair256: | ah... |
| [02:19:41] | Altair256: | reminds me of old school net splits |
| [02:19:55] | Altair256: | too bad this one had an Op let us know something was planned |
| [02:20:07] | kormoc: | old school? they're still weekly on freenode |
| [02:20:19] | Altair256: | ah, guess I don't pay attention enough then... lol |
| [02:20:39] | mcf3781: | <elmer-fud-voice>you wealize of cowse; this means wohr!</elmer-fud-voice> |
| [02:21:14] | mcf3781: | I may have to break out the soldering iron and build a cable. I'm not gonna be able to go to sleep tonight until I at least try this script. :) |
| [02:21:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | mcf3781: ROTLF! I can totally relate!!!! (I'm the same way...) |
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| [02:23:21] | Altair256: | alrighty... I think I'm going to try rebuilding my MythTV box. See if that has any bearing on my Data Direct issue |
| [02:23:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: btw – I haven't thanked you for the svn mythweb... with ajax, things are much nicer load-time-wise now... ;-) Thanks. |
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| [02:23:36] | Altair256: | later guys :) |
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| [02:26:00] | xris: | J-e-f-f-A: haven't done much with ajax in mythweb lately... |
| [02:26:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: Yeah, but it's still better than .20 ... ;-) |
| [02:27:29] | xris: | I don't really see how speeds should have gotten better unless you enabled compression this time around (but didn't before) |
| [02:28:33] | kormoc: | xris, compressed prototype.js |
| [02:29:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: Humm... I dunno... new server, and much faster... (PIII 866 to AMD 64 x2 4600)... but It seemed much faster after my last svn update... But maybe I optimized the db at the same time too... I don't remember... |
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| [02:29:34] | xris: | kormoc: that could be, but that should only load once. |
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| [02:29:56] | kormoc: | xris, compressed js leads to better startup times |
| [02:30:17] | xris: | J-e-f-f-A: poke through the apache conf file and turn on mod_deflate as directed. it'll help, too. |
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| [02:30:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: kewl. Thanks. |
| [02:32:24] | xris: | kormoc: thought it was just gzip... or did you do that funky js compression |
| [02:32:53] | kormoc: | funky js compression |
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| [02:34:11] | mcf3781: | WooHoo! I found a serial cable that's at least the right gender. And now the batteries in my multimeter are dead, so I can't check the pin-out. |
| [02:34:21] | mcf3781: | I need a drink. |
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| [02:41:04] | TTT_Travis: | if my network card doesn't support PXE can I use a floppy or something to make it boot over the network? |
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| [02:42:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: Holy $hip that made a huge difference... 295 programs now load in about 8 seconds! Jeepers... |
| [02:43:18] | jams: | TTT_Travis- yeah, you could use a small boot image that would allow you net access and nfs mount / |
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| [02:43:54] | ** J-e-f-f-A bows to xris ... ** | |
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| [02:49:55] | TTT_Travis: | jams any recommendation on one? |
| [02:50:09] | TTT_Travis: | basically I want it to do exactly the same as pxe would do if it were part of my nic |
| [02:51:19] | TTT_Travis: | think I found ong |
| [02:51:22] | TTT_Travis: | one |
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| [02:57:24] | voltagex_: | is there any *easy* way to create a netboot image? |
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| [03:05:13] | Trentster: | Hey all, I have a strange problem, randomly mythfronend freezes and whatever I am watching on the screen freezes, if i look at ntop it says mythfrontend is using 98% cpu "this is a core 2 high end system" ctrl alt backspace and mythfronend restarts and all is well for an hour or two then it happens again...any ideas? |
| [03:06:01] | Trentster: | This only seems to happen when I use xvmc if i use Kernel and standard for playback seems to be fine...... |
| [03:08:09] | hads: | Ah well, I think I'm a little out of my league. Why does mythfrontend always ExitToMainMenu when a jumppoint is used? |
| [03:08:37] | hads: | Trentster: What version? |
| [03:09:14] | Trentster: | I am using knoppmyth r5f1 I think its mythtv .20 |
| [03:09:43] | kormoc: | Trentster, XvMC can be flaky, you might just be one of the flaky folks |
| [03:11:19] | Trentster: | kormoc, any suggestions, should i try different settings in xorg.conf or should i just use something else? |
| [03:11:45] | hads: | Try not using XvMC |
| [03:13:14] | Trentster: | hads, why? |
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| [03:14:41] | hads: | Umm, what kormoc just said? |
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| [03:16:41] | Trentster: | hads, kormoc I understand obviously if its not working rather use something else......Ok secondary to having perfect playback via xvmc, what would be second best choice for HDTV content playback, ?? |
| [03:17:32] | kormoc: | Trentster, it's hard, as with the nvidia driver, it's all closed, so it's hard to say what might or might not help |
| [03:17:43] | kormoc: | Trentster, so far, noone has found any 'magic' settings that help |
| [03:18:27] | Trentster: | ok so if we eliminate xvmc playback what would be second best for hdtv playback? |
| [03:18:56] | Trentster: | I have quite a fast machine, core 2 6420 with 2 gigs ram......so that shouldent be an issue |
| [03:19:14] | kormoc: | Really, it's not easy to say. You should just likely try the other settings and pick one you like the best |
| [03:20:07] | Trentster: | is anything comparable to xvmc clarity, if we are not trying to achieve low cpu overhead? |
| [03:20:37] | kormoc: | Really depends on your eyes |
| [03:21:19] | Trentster: | also another question, this might be a dumb one, but am i correct to assume, that if the broadcast signal is 1080i and not 1080p then I will allways have to de-interlace for playback? |
| [03:21:42] | kormoc: | depends on what you are outputting to and what you consider good or not |
| [03:22:08] | Trentster: | Lets do a poll, to see what everyone is using for playback? |
| [03:22:28] | kormoc: | Hardly likely to get any good number of responces :P |
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| [03:23:13] | Trentster: | kormoc, I am outputting to an lcd tv via vga, I also have a dvi to hdmi cable, which i would love to use, but it seems not to like the modeline that works in powerstrip to the same tv under winblows...... |
| [03:24:31] | kormoc: | Trentster, well, you could perhaps set the tv to expect an interlaced signal, and then you wouldn't need to deinterlace, but normal shows might look wonky, or you might not notice an interlaced signal on it |
| [03:25:55] | Trentster: | kormoc, I have not seen a setting in my tv menu to tell it to expect interlaced signal, maybe its only applicable for non vga inputs... |
| [03:27:09] | Trentster: | kormoc, Sorry,I know I am firing the questions at you<grin> any idea why a modeline that works under windows generated from powerstrip does not work under linux? |
| [03:27:25] | kormoc: | cause they are in two different formats I would assume |
| [03:28:20] | Trentster: | no, powerstrip outputs a linux xorg format for you when you click copy to clipboard.... |
| [03:28:57] | hads: | Write down all the values and check it manually. |
| [03:29:40] | Trentster: | hads, are you saying that powerstrip might have it wrong? |
| [03:31:07] | hads: | I'm just suggesting to check the modeline corresponds to what you think it does. I've no idea about powerstrip, I don't know much about Windows. |
| [03:32:21] | Trentster: | hads, ok presuming I check it manually and its correct, and it does not work under linux...anything else you can suggest I can try to get it to work? |
| [03:32:50] | hads: | Nope, I'm no X guru by any stretch. |
| [03:34:26] | Trentster: | thanks anyway, the mission continues.... |
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| [04:17:45] | geek: | hey guys i have a quick question |
| [04:17:54] | geek: | can i run mythtv in windows mode? |
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| [04:19:36] | geek_: | is there a way? |
| [04:20:11] | kormoc: | did you bother to look in the wiki? |
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| [04:20:29] | kormoc: | guess not |
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| [05:04:55] | captlloyd: | I'm reading the docs to see what cards are good, but I was wondering what everyone here is using for video capture and what they like and dislike about them |
| [05:05:34] | Trentster: | Captain_Murdoch, that depends on what you are capturing, sd hd, dvb sattelite etc |
| [05:07:01] | cesman: | captlloyd: SD, HD, DVB, USB? |
| [05:07:04] | cesman: | options abound... |
| [05:07:15] | cesman: | ask a specific question |
| [05:07:21] | xris: | random crap on woot. |
| [05:07:32] | Trentster: | oops that was for captlloyd |
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| [05:08:35] | captlloyd: | Right now I will be doing SD from my satellite box, I'd like to do HD in the future, but not sure where I will get the content |
| [05:10:07] | ** cesman would recommend a PVR-150 ** | |
| [05:12:22] | ** edman007 has a PVR-150 and loves it ** | |
| [05:12:56] | edman007: | there is a Linux HD too card if you want it (i think its open source hardware) |
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| [05:13:59] | xris: | edman007: many of them work in linux. pchdtv is the one designed for linux (I don't think the hardware is open source, though, just the driver) |
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| [05:14:27] | captlloyd: | The PVR-150 looks like a good choice. edman007, can you give me more info on that? like what to search for to find more info? |
| [05:15:10] | edman007: | captlloyd, the PVR? or the pchdtv thing? |
| [05:15:51] | captlloyd: | pchdtv |
| [05:16:00] | captlloyd: | I guess, if that's what its called |
| [05:16:02] | xris: | captlloyd: pchdtv.com? |
| [05:16:04] | edman007: | captlloyd, http://www.pchdtv.com/ |
| [05:16:45] | captlloyd: | hehe, just needed more info than "Linux HD too" |
| [05:16:46] | captlloyd: | thanks |
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| [05:21:58] | xris: | captlloyd: what are you intending to record? |
| [05:23:26] | captlloyd: | right now just satellite TV from a box. |
| [05:23:39] | captlloyd: | it has composite out |
| [05:23:48] | xris: | then you don't want a pchdtv |
| [05:24:15] | xris: | pvr-150 is your best bet (I did that for a couple of years, same setup) |
| [05:27:27] | captlloyd: | Yeah the pvr-150 looks good. If I decide I wanna record HD broadcast TV, does MythTV have any problems with recording from 2 cards at once? |
| [05:28:11] | captlloyd: | for example recording something from a pchdtv card and a pvr-150 at the same time? |
| [05:28:46] | captlloyd: | Can I tell it which card to record from? |
| [05:29:08] | xris: | captlloyd: no problem at all |
| [05:29:12] | captlloyd: | :) |
| [05:29:27] | captlloyd: | I didn't think it would. |
| [05:29:34] | xris: | you'd end up with two different lineups, since the channels would be different (and you can scan for the broadcast stuff) |
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| [06:20:45] | TTT_Travis: | is there anything like minimyth but for freevo? |
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| [06:27:41] | xris: | TTT_Travis: not exactly the right place to ask |
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| [06:31:06] | TTT_Travis: | yeah figured that |
| [06:31:14] | TTT_Travis: | mythtv is just way to much for what I am trying to do |
| [06:31:27] | TTT_Travis: | but mythmini is perfect — except the mythtv part |
| [06:31:33] | TTT_Travis: | I do like mythtv, just not for this setup |
| [06:44:11] | hads: | That makes little sense. "mythmini is perfect — except the mythtv part" |
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| [06:52:27] | xris: | the only part of mythtv that you might not want is TV.. and freevo does that. |
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| [06:59:55] | varun00: | my mythtv gui is larger than my TV's resolution......how do I fix this? |
| [07:03:26] | hads: | There are overscan settings in the frontend setup. |
| [07:05:57] | varun00: | hads: this may seem like a total n00b question.......but I'm new to a lot of this......if my TV's res is 1280x720.....do you have any suggestions as to what I should make my GUI width and height? |
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| [07:26:14] | xris: | varun00: fix your X resolution to match your tv. |
| [07:26:57] | xris: | however, I'd find it seriously odd if your tv was 1280x720. Most are 1350x768, or whatever that wacky resolution is. |
| [07:31:01] | varun00: | xris: it's a samsung dlp....I could have sworn that was the res |
| [07:31:50] | xris: | varun00: might be.. some of the analog HD boxes are. it's just rare |
| [07:32:30] | xris: | either way, you just need to fix your X settings to match the tv |
| [07:33:04] | varun00: | xris: so I went into the setup and changed the res to 1280x720, but I'm still getting overscanning |
| [07:33:27] | xris: | you'll always get overscan. that's how tvs work |
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| [07:34:01] | xris: | myth has internal x/y adjustments to work around that. |
| [07:34:07] | varun00: | xris: hm....I think I see what you are saying. I need to knock the MythTV res down to what the TV actually displays? |
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| [07:34:26] | xris: | no |
| [07:34:36] | xris: | mythtv doesn't have a resolution.. it just uses whatever you set X to. |
| [07:34:57] | varun00: | xris: right......I guess I should have said I need to knock the X res down? |
| [07:35:08] | xris: | but it *does* have the ability to display the video/UI at an offset so that things don't get hidden behind the overscan. |
| [07:35:19] | xris: | you can't get rid of the overscan. All TV sets overscan. it's part of how they work. |
| [07:35:25] | xris: | it's normal, no way to avoid it. |
| [07:35:49] | Dagmar: | For broadcast |
| [07:36:08] | Dagmar: | There's 2% overscan, if even *that* much, using the s-video input on my TV |
| [07:36:25] | xris: | Dagmar: most tvs have overscan even if you're using a dvi input. |
| [07:36:27] | varun00: | xris: yea I'm beginning to see what you're saying. But if I just change the offset, won't it just shift the GUI....and still be outside the boundaries of my TV? |
| [07:36:53] | varun00: | xris, Dagmar: yea I'm using DVI to HDMI......if that makes any difference? |
| [07:36:54] | xris: | varun00: mythtv will shift the gui in relation to the X boundaries.. X will still be "outside" of the visible area, but mythtv won't |
| [07:37:24] | varun00: | xris: so I need to play with the offsets to get the GUI positioned correctly? |
| [07:37:39] | xris: | the other thing you can do is play with the resolution/refresh settings to see if your tv has a no-overscan mode. but it's trial and error |
| [07:37:45] | xris: | yes |
| [07:38:35] | varun00: | xris: do those settings carry over to playing of videos? I mean......will videos play within the TV's boundaries? |
| [07:38:37] | Tanthrix: | xris: TVs don't always have overscan. Most decent sets have "dot by dot" or whatever the brand happens to call its native modes. |
| [07:38:43] | juski: | morning |
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| [07:39:08] | juski: | varun00: you can elect to have mythtv output video at the size of the GUI or not – the default is 'not' |
| [07:39:09] | Tanthrix: | xris: (Decent LCD sets that is, never seen a CRT with that function) |
| [07:39:26] | varun00: | juski: oh yea......I see that now.....that makes sense |
| [07:40:18] | juski: | and even if you do manage to get your desktop perfectly matched to the edges of your display, chances are you're going to end up with annoying black/other colour lines on at least one edge with some programme content |
| [07:40:29] | xris: | Tanthrix: and I've seen a LOT of lcd screens that don't have it, either. |
| [07:40:46] | xris: | varun00: depends on which player is handling the videos. |
| [07:40:49] | xris: | Internal should |
| [07:40:55] | varun00: | juski: I am mainly using this MythTV box to play my ripped DVDs |
| [07:41:09] | Tanthrix: | xris: True, but it's definately not something that all TVs do, or anything fundemental about TV in general. (At least, digital TV.) |
| [07:41:36] | juski: | most themes have been designed to take into account 5% overscan or so, so you shouldn't miss much (if any) information off screen |
| [07:41:43] | Tanthrix: | xris: And by the way, from what I've gathered lately a lot of DLP sets are actually 1280x720p. I think a lot of them share the same chip. It's the LCDs that have the crazy 1366x768 resolutions |
| [07:42:11] | juski: | if theme designers were to follow the 'safe area' rules, chances are we'd all get far less information on screen |
| [07:42:39] | Tanthrix: | Still not sure why they went with that, though my theory is that it has something to do the manufactoring process and old tech. Anyone else know anything about it? |
| [07:43:05] | xris: | went with what? overscan? |
| [07:43:16] | Tanthrix: | The non-standard resolution, sorry. |
| [07:43:21] | xris: | it's not a nonstandard res |
| [07:43:24] | xris: | it's a digital res |
| [07:43:33] | xris: | just like 1080 isn't actually 1080. |
| [07:43:34] | Dagmar: | Well, technically 10% less information |
| [07:43:56] | juski: | cheaper to make a 1366x768 panel, is all :) |
| [07:44:13] | Tanthrix: | It's non-standard in the sense that it's a) not either of the broadcast HD resolutions and b) not compatible with the EDID format |
| [07:44:53] | xris: | like I said. computer res, not tv res. |
| [07:44:56] | Tanthrix: | juski: Well, of course! I'm curious as to why, though. It is more pixels after all, so that doesn't account for it. So that's why it probably has something to do with using existing manufacturing tech |
| [07:44:57] | juski: | the scaler in most flat panels is what you deal with when you input to a panel |
| [07:45:05] | xris: | anyway, time for me to crash.... too hot to sleep, but I must try. |
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| [07:46:03] | juski: | I think they figure most people won't be sitting close enough to realise that one 720p line is being averaged to 768 ;) |
| [07:47:38] | varun00: | so if I keep my GUI res/offsets different from my output video, will I still get overscan? or will it be ok? |
| [07:47:41] | Tanthrix: | In any case, 1366x768 sets are the devil and must be avoided. |
| [07:48:34] | juski: | tell that to the masses, Tanthrix |
| [07:48:36] | Tanthrix: | varun00: Somewhere you can just set the overscan/underscan of the video. I do my at +2,+2 so I don't see the crazy dancing bar at the top of all my analog stuff. You probably just need -5,-5 or something |
| [07:48:56] | varun00: | Tanthrix: somewhere.......in the frontend setup? or on the TV? |
| [07:49:06] | Tanthrix: | Frontend setup, of course. |
| [07:49:41] | juski: | varun00: if you set the GUI size & offsets to fit the GUI on the TV (if it even needs it) & leave the video to play at the full size ( as is default) you'll be ok |
| [07:49:45] | Tanthrix: | Almost no TVs let you adjust overscan, but some have "dot by dot" or "perfect pixel" or whatever modes. Would be worth trying first to see if you have such a thing |
| [07:50:02] | varun00: | Tanthrix: heh...sorry....I'm still struggling with the menus. Do you mean setting the offsets to those values? or is there an overscan/underscan option? |
| [07:50:18] | juski: | Tanthrix: what little overscan you get is more than likely a _good_ thing |
| [07:50:29] | juski: | adjust the GUI & be done with it :) |
| [07:51:12] | varun00: | juski: ok I'll give that a shot. The only reason I was mucking with the menus is because certain parts of it were spilling outside the TV (the up/down controls for certain options, e.g.) |
| [07:51:20] | Tanthrix: | varun00: It's a few pages into the playback settings. A page called "Overscan" – set the vertical and horizontal to minus something and you can compenstate. |
| [07:51:21] | juski: | my TV overscans about 5% but stuff that fits dead on the bottom of the screen when NOT viewing my frontend, also fits the same way when it comes out of my frontend :) |
| [07:51:49] | juski: | Tanthrix: that won't fix the GUI theme spilling over the edges though |
| [07:53:02] | Tanthrix: | Oh, I thought he was just complaining about the video |
| [07:53:37] | varun00: | Tanthrix: my mistake, sir......I haven't even gotten to playing videos yet. I'm just trying to get the GUI resolution right so I can actually work the menus |
| [07:53:56] | Tanthrix: | varun00: What model TV do you have? |
| [07:54:07] | varun00: | s5086w |
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| [07:54:51] | varun00: | Tanthrix: samsung hl-s5086w.....for the sake of completeness |
| [07:55:04] | juski: | A little while ago I started work on a plugin to make resizing the GUI much easier. hasn't got very far yet but I plan to pick it up again soon, among all my other work |
| [07:55:25] | varun00: | juski: are you a mythtv developer? |
| [07:55:51] | Tanthrix: | He makes themes. That's like asking a drummer if he is a musician. |
| [07:55:58] | Tanthrix: | Zing! (And all that jazz) |
| [07:56:31] | juski: | I've submitted a few lines of code now, and I wanna learn coding so I can further improve the UI longer-term |
| [07:56:40] | varun00: | lol...yea I just stumbled onto his themes.....google is a wonderful thing:) |
| [07:57:02] | juski: | I'm the official theme maintainer now, with commit access so that technically makes me a developer |
| [07:57:04] | varun00: | juski: props on the themes, man.....pretty slick |
| [07:57:48] | juski: | varun00: thanks – that was the general idea. I started because I thought all the GUI themes sucked – but then I got to see jams' midnight & syth themes too late ;) |
| [07:58:40] | varun00: | juski: once I get my resolutions right, I'll start exploring themes! |
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| [07:59:16] | varun00: | but for now, bed. juski, Tanthrix, xris....thank you so much. I'm sure I'll be picking your brains again soon! |
| [07:59:20] | Tanthrix: | varun00: One sec. |
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| [08:01:04] | varun00: | Tanthrix: yes sir? |
| [08:01:22] | Tanthrix: | I'm trying to grab the manual for your TV to see if there is a non-overscan mode, but samsung's server keeps dying midstream. |
| [08:01:32] | varun00: | oh |
| [08:02:00] | varun00: | I'm pretty sure it's not in the regular menu....maybe in the service menu.......but not sure |
| [08:02:23] | varun00: | Tanthrix: amazon.com might have a copy of the manual......one sec |
| [08:02:40] | Tanthrix: | Here we go, got it. |
| [08:02:47] | varun00: | Tanthrix: sweet |
| [08:03:49] | ** varun00 waits with baited breath :) ** | |
| [08:03:55] | Tanthrix: | Have you tried putting the TV in PC mode? |
| [08:05:22] | Tanthrix: | "Wide PC" mode it's called |
| [08:05:45] | varun00: | what page of the manual is that on? :-S |
| [08:05:56] | varun00: | oh I see it |
| [08:06:03] | Tanthrix: | 110 |
| [08:06:22] | varun00: | I think that only works through VGA? |
| [08:06:22] | The_Ball: | Tanthrix, which samsung do you have? |
| [08:06:55] | varun00: | Tanthrix: the manual says I'm not supposed to connect a |
| [08:07:01] | varun00: | PC through HDMI |
| [08:07:12] | Tanthrix: | varun00: Hrm, that might be. In any case, it seems that in that mode you can actually adjust the size of the image |
| [08:07:28] | Tanthrix: | The_Ball: None, I've got a Sharp Aquos. Just trying to help varun00 here with his overscan issue |
| [08:07:33] | varun00: | Tanthrix: the note on page 104 |
| [08:07:53] | The_Ball: | Tanthrix, which model is it? |
| [08:08:13] | Tanthrix: | varun00: Yah, I noticed that now too. This might be why – it doesn't deal well with overscanning. |
| [08:08:27] | varun00: | The_Ball: hl-s5086w |
| [08:08:31] | Tanthrix: | Though, to be fair, a lot of TVs say weird, wild things that are factually incorrect about PCs to cover their asses |
| [08:08:40] | varun00: | Tanthrix: lol....really? |
| [08:09:14] | Tanthrix: | My manual says my TV only supports a resolution of 1280x1024 from a computer, even though it's a 1080P set capable of using its native resolution. (And it works fine in linux and windows) |
| [08:09:31] | varun00: | interesting |
| [08:10:00] | varun00: | alright.....now it's really time for bed or I'm going to be worthless at work tomorrow. Thanks again!! |
| [08:10:08] | Tanthrix: | varun00: Anyway, any chance you can do VGA out to this TV? Might be worth a try to see how it looks. I like doing all digital myself, but hey, whatever looks best wins. |
| [08:10:13] | Tanthrix: | Best of luck. |
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| [08:19:04] | PainCorp: | so im trying to find a good pci video card that will work well with mythtv |
| [08:19:08] | PainCorp: | but it cant be x16 |
| [08:19:25] | Dagmar: | So PCI, not PCI Express |
| [08:19:26] | PainCorp: | anyone have any suggestions |
| [08:19:28] | PainCorp: | yeah |
| [08:19:29] | Dagmar: | Buy an nVidia 5200 |
| [08:19:48] | PainCorp: | does that need the proprietary driver |
| [08:19:53] | mchou: | can you even still get pci video cards? |
| [08:20:21] | Dagmar: | Do you have a _problem_ with the proprietary driver? |
| [08:20:21] | mchou: | PainCorp: need, no |
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| [08:20:58] | PainCorp: | but wont work well without it, correct? |
| [08:21:04] | Dagmar: | Exactly. |
| [08:21:18] | PainCorp: | and no i dont have a problem with them, they've just been a pain in the arse for me in the past |
| [08:21:40] | Dagmar: | Without it, you don't get any meaningful amounts of XvMC accelleration |
| [08:21:54] | Dagmar: | ...so much higher CPU usage during playback of mpeg video content |
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| [08:22:34] | PainCorp: | mmm |
| [08:22:43] | edman007: | PainCorp, unless you want a GMA950, but they don't make then standalone, so its ATI or nvidia for a decent card |
| [08:22:52] | edman007: | s/then/them/ |
| [08:22:56] | PainCorp: | right now i have a radeon 9250 in the box |
| [08:23:05] | Dagmar: | You would use the phrases "ATI" and "decent card" in the same sentence? |
| [08:23:26] | Dagmar: | I see what your problem with the nVidia drivers has been. |
| [08:23:37] | PainCorp: | sigh |
| [08:23:47] | PainCorp: | you know what i mean |
| [08:23:49] | Dagmar: | You've been used to having to stab yourself in the eyes with the ATI driver to get it to work, and stabbing yourself in the eyes isn't needed with the nVidia driver. |
| [08:23:52] | edman007: | Dagmar, yea, well nvidia isn't that good either :( |
| [08:24:08] | Dagmar: | nVidia consistently, regularly, just _works_. |
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| [08:25:10] | edman007: | Dagmar, thats the problem, its the only thing it does it works, it just passes and its still crap, the GMA950 has a great driver and its excellent for mythtv type stuff, but you need a new mobo to get it |
| [08:25:49] | Dagmar: | I don't see how it's "crap" when it works without fail on a regular basis, gets updated by nVidia on a regular basis, and is well documented. |
| [08:26:00] | Dagmar: | ATI can't seem to manage any of those things. |
| [08:26:51] | edman007: | Dagmar, the nvidia driver buggy and has many missing features that should have been implemented long ago |
| [08:27:03] | Dagmar: | Name some of these missing features and someone who has them |
| [08:27:12] | Dagmar: | ...someone who has them that can be used on common motherboards. |
| [08:27:29] | edman007: | inability to alloc more then your VRAM, ATI and Intel have it |
| [08:27:49] | Dagmar: | Why would this be a useful thing? |
| [08:27:56] | Dagmar: | Allocate memory I don't have? |
| [08:28:05] | edman007: | it causes the black window bug in compiz/beryl |
| [08:28:23] | Dagmar: | Oooh a bug |
| [08:28:32] | PainCorp: | lookie what i started |
| [08:28:33] | PainCorp: | =/ |
| [08:28:42] | Dagmar: | Unlike ATI, nVidia can be counted on to get it fixed in a month or three |
| [08:28:54] | edman007: | the texture_from_pixmap took 3–4 months after both ATI and Intel drivers had the feature |
| [08:29:11] | Dagmar: | Yeah, because it was a feature nothing was using so they didn't implement it |
| [08:29:12] | Dagmar: | Big deal |
| [08:29:34] | Dagmar: | It wasn't a required part of any API until the compiz people wanted to use it |
| [08:29:43] | edman007: | but ATI is much worse, i used a "stable" driver 6 months ago that hardlocked the system in you switched VTs with X up |
| [08:30:16] | edman007: | s/in/if/ |
| [08:32:22] | edman007: | and the next release of their driver hard locked the system when X was started on two VTs |
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| [08:40:39] | darmou: | I have a Fusion HD DiVCO tuner http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/products/DVBTpro.aspx does anyone know what I need to install to get it to work on my ppc ubuntu system? |
| [08:48:09] | edman007: | darmou, what does lspci say the card is? |
| [08:49:16] | edman007: | darmou, nvm, its listed at the bottom of that page |
| [08:49:19] | edman007: | darmou, http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Cx88_devices_(cx2388x) |
| [08:50:08] | edman007: | use that and you should be able to make it work |
| [08:50:27] | darmou: | thanks |
| [08:52:03] | Tanthrix: | I agree with Dagmar: for linux, nvidia is the only option. Everything else is a waste of time. |
| [08:52:49] | Tanthrix: | Beautiful driver, and amazingly nice settings app. Never seen anything remotely close to it for anything else. (Though, to be fair, I haven't looked, since nvidia stuff has worked so damn well for me for my various linux boxes over the years) |
| [08:52:52] | juski: | Intel's drivers aren't too shabby – certainly not as bad as ATI's |
| [08:54:19] | juski: | and it's not as if nvidia have kept their nose clean either – they ain't perfect by any stretch of the imagination. saying 'best' doesn't always mean 'good' |
| [08:54:27] | darmou: | Interesting I could not see anything with lspci but dmesg | grep DVB |
| [08:54:28] | darmou: | [ 52.453087] CORE cx88[0]: subsystem: 18ac:db10, board: DViCO FusionHDTV DVB-T Plus [card=21,autodetected] |
| [08:54:48] | juski: | lspci doesn't always tell the truth! |
| [08:55:20] | juski: | usually gives you enough info to be able to work out which module to load though |
| [08:55:54] | Tanthrix: | juski: No, but in nvidia's case, it does. Across the board nvidia has more features, better support, and more "just work"-ability than any other option out there, even if occasionally there are bugs. |
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| [08:56:03] | Tanthrix: | Sometimes close enough to perfect is perfect. |
| [08:56:22] | Tanthrix: | (Not to say some things don't come close occasionally, but still) |
| [08:56:30] | darmou: | oh blast I was hoping i would not have to recomplile the kernel, have not done that in a long time:( |
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| [09:00:05] | Tanthrix: | For the record though, I am a nvidia fan boy. Their cards have just been such a joy to use in linux over the years that I am extremely greatful for their existence. (Namely, when you consider all the other companies out there that provide linux drivers. All 5 of them.) |
| [09:04:18] | darmou: | I have an old voodoo 2 card and ati radeon in both my myth box (7200) and my mac pro has a RadeonX1900 very nice |
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| [09:06:07] | Tanthrix: | But do *you* have a settings app with which you can easily adjust in real time all the color settings, sharpness, etc, as well as opengl / xv settings, including setting Xv sync so any video output using the Xvideo driver won't tear, or monitor the card's temperature? |
| [09:06:22] | Tanthrix: | Huh huh huh? Nya! ;) |
| [09:07:20] | ** Tanthrix goes to bed ** | |
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| [09:25:32] | Cry_wolf2: | Anyone know what to put in mythweb->video: web_video_imdb_path |
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| [09:51:14] | Super_Cat_Frog: | hi – im having problems with my hauppauge pvr usb2 on gentoo : http://rafb.net/p/lQEr8F83.html – using composite input, mplayer shows a black screen with occassional white diagonal lines going down |
| [09:52:08] | juski: | soundey likey drivery problem |
| [09:59:49] | Super_Cat_Frog: | any idea how i could find out for definate? Its using the pvrusb2 module from the kernel tree, and saa7115 |
| [10:00:59] | Super_Cat_Frog: | infact, i had it working fine with coax, but now im using composite its not working |
| [10:01:01] | juski: | if it works fine on the tuner or svideo input, maybe it's only an input selection problem |
| [10:01:14] | juski: | maybe it'd be worthwhile talking to the driver people |
| [10:01:29] | Super_Cat_Frog: | ok |
| [10:02:05] | Super_Cat_Frog: | i thought the issue could be to do with this: Colorspace : Unknown (00000000) |
| [10:02:05] | Super_Cat_Frog: | from v4l-ctl |
| [10:11:10] | juski: | does any other input work? |
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| [10:16:01] | Super_Cat_Frog: | any idea where i can talk to the driver devs? |
| [10:18:19] | Super_Cat_Frog: | crappy internet connection |
| [10:18:24] | juski: | does an input other than composite actually work? |
| [10:18:53] | ** laga takes a closer look at mythbuntu alpha 2 ** | |
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| [10:20:59] | jtmoney: | stupid question, but how do i access the guide? |
| [10:21:10] | Super_Cat_Frog: | anybody know how i can query what params i can pass to a kernel module? |
| [10:21:30] | quicksilver: | read the docs for that module if you're lucky |
| [10:21:33] | quicksilver: | otherwise the source |
| [10:21:38] | quicksilver: | I know of no other way :( |
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| [10:22:09] | juski: | jtmoney: read the docs? find a file called keys.txt. look in the wiki – any number of things |
| [10:22:18] | hads: | modinfo |
| [10:22:22] | juski: | use the menus to find where the guide lives.. |
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| [10:23:09] | juski: | in live tv, press M to bring up the OSD menu. the guide can be accessed from there. try pressing keys – you can't make your PC explode by pressing the wrong key (sadly) |
| [10:23:57] | juski: | since I know that reading the documentation is too much of a stretch for most who wander in here |
| [10:24:25] | jtmoney: | yes, it really is |
| [10:24:57] | ** juski sighs ** | |
| [10:26:04] | jtmoney: | hah |
| [10:26:06] | juski: | somebody was working on a mythmindreader plugin but they abandoned it. same for mythvoicecontrols |
| [10:26:08] | jtmoney: | relax, guy |
| [10:26:38] | juski: | hey this IS relaxed |
| [10:27:18] | Cry_wolf2: | lol |
| [10:27:27] | juski: | it's customary to thank people when they help out too – but often a lack of politeness goes hand in hand with laziness |
| [10:27:59] | jtmoney: | nah, i'm alright |
| [10:28:02] | jtmoney: | you have yourself a big enough pat on the back |
| [10:28:16] | ** juski does the happy dance ** | |
| [10:29:24] | Cry_wolf2: | oh noooo, supported as of 2.6.21 |
| [10:29:41] | Cry_wolf2: | uname = 2.6.18-4–686 |
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| [10:46:19] | juski: | never realised OpenOffice's writer app had an annoying help thing |
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| [11:44:06] | bjweeks: | I'm trying to set up my pcHDTV 5500 and when I do a channel scan or use dtvsignal I get "lgdt330x: lgdt3303_read_snr: Modulation set to unsupported value" repeatedly in dmesg. any ideas what could fix this? |
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| [11:46:41] | juski: | try #linuxtv |
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| [12:01:05] | bjweeks: | juski: will do, thanks |
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| [12:25:13] | juski: | error: 110 (Connection timed out)] |
| [12:25:13] | juski: | 13:01 < bjweeks> juski: will do, thanks |
| [12:25:19] | juski: | oops |
| [12:28:17] | subx: | this isnt anything mythtv related but ive found a useful tool what will allow you to mount a drive remotely using the ssh protocol. ive never come across anything like this before on linux, now u can mount a drive anywhere u want without worrying too much about security: http://debaday.debian.net/2007/04/22/sshfs-ea . . . file-system/ |
| [12:29:05] | ** laga runs mythcommflag on subx ** | |
| [12:34:12] | fryfrog: | isn't that called sshfs? |
| [12:34:34] | MilkBoy: | the one using fuse? |
| [12:34:42] | subx: | yep |
| [12:35:04] | Honk: | fryfrog: the name is even in the url :P |
| [12:35:14] | juski: | muhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| [12:35:32] | Honk: | sshfs is cool anyway.. and pretty fast, considering everything's encrypted |
| [12:35:40] | Honk: | (i get like 50mb/s out of it) |
| [12:35:45] | fryfrog: | bwhwhwha, it was subconcious! |
| [12:35:53] | juski: | ever wondered how well pvr150 matches up to a direct digital recording from dvb? http://www.juski.co.uk/vidcaps.png |
| [12:35:54] | fryfrog: | over 100mbit? |
| [12:35:57] | subx: | Hink: i wouldnt use it on a LAN but remotely it would be great |
| [12:36:03] | fryfrog: | and was that mb or mbit? |
| [12:37:14] | fryfrog: | and installing it via aptitude grabs fuse, so it must be using fuse :) |
| [12:37:40] | janneg: | fryfrog: maybe he is copying /dev/zero |
| [12:37:43] | kslater: | justki: seems pretty much the same to these old eyes |
| [12:38:32] | juski: | closer than I expected fer sure |
| [12:38:33] | kslater: | doh – speelling engine not engaged yet |
| [12:38:40] | subx: | juski: its an artful! |
| [12:39:09] | Honk: | fryfrog: of course not :P |
| [12:39:16] | Honk: | that's mb/s over gbit lan |
| [12:39:21] | kslater: | top comparison would have been interesting in 720x576 |
| [12:39:30] | Honk: | janneg: real files :] |
| [12:39:55] | fryfrog: | Honk: ah, nice |
| [12:40:08] | fryfrog: | Honk: did you do anything special on your gige to get 5x that of 100mbit? |
| [12:40:14] | MilkBoy: | mb? millibit? |
| [12:40:19] | fryfrog: | Mine seems to only do about 2–3x 100mbit |
| [12:40:23] | Honk: | heh.. no :p |
| [12:40:35] | Honk: | fryfrog: how do you test that? ;) |
| [12:40:37] | fryfrog: | so no jumbo frames or some "good" gige switch |
| [12:40:39] | subx: | the pvr150 looks better |
| [12:40:40] | Honk: | it's probably the disk speed |
| [12:40:51] | Honk: | fryfrog: cheapest 8port switch w/o jumbo frames |
| [12:41:04] | fryfrog: | read/write to my 6x320G array locally is *fasta* |
| [12:41:10] | fryfrog: | and by fasta i mean fast :) |
| [12:41:19] | fryfrog: | lemme run a couple dd's |
| [12:41:30] | fryfrog: | also, were you doing file's bigger than the amount of ram you have? |
| [12:41:31] | Honk: | and the other side of that? :P |
| [12:41:40] | Honk: | fryfrog: probably not |
| [12:41:47] | Honk: | i dont have any files lying around that are _that_ large |
| [12:41:54] | fryfrog: | dd can make em |
| [12:41:58] | Honk: | geesh :p |
| [12:42:00] | Honk: | who cares? |
| [12:42:07] | fryfrog: | wait, none of your recordings are bigger than 1–2G? |
| [12:42:09] | Honk: | i measured net speed, not disk speed |
| [12:42:26] | Honk: | fryfrog: good point, some of 'em are |
| [12:42:26] | fryfrog: | how? |
| [12:42:42] | fryfrog: | scp, nfs? |
| [12:42:46] | Honk: | scp |
| [12:42:48] | Honk: | errh |
| [12:42:49] | Honk: | sshfs |
| [12:42:52] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [12:42:55] | Honk: | that's what we were talking about, no? |
| [12:43:01] | fryfrog: | well, yes and no |
| [12:43:15] | fryfrog: | 50mb/sec over sshfs is nice, i'd imagine you'd maybe get better over nfs? |
| [12:43:26] | fryfrog: | i think i get 20–30mb/sec over nfs though |
| [12:43:35] | juski: | and use much less CPU |
| [12:43:40] | Honk: | yeah |
| [12:43:41] | fryfrog: | just thought i'd see if you had any special-ness different from me |
| [12:43:57] | fryfrog: | crap, my remote FE is offline :) |
| [12:43:59] | juski: | we get a lot of special-ness in here |
| [12:44:08] | juski: | well I say 'special' ;) |
| [12:44:09] | Honk: | juski: i dont care about the cpu load really :P |
| [12:44:18] | kslater: | is this the getting hit over the head channel? |
| [12:44:19] | Honk: | who cares if i'm at 5 or 25% anyway? |
| [12:45:27] | fryfrog: | thats 20% that could be commflagging! :) |
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| [12:45:47] | Honk: | i'm comflagging on the fly |
| [12:45:50] | fryfrog: | I don't think I'd use sshfs over LAN, unless for some reason I didn't *trust* the lan |
| [12:45:56] | Honk: | never had my cpu hogged up |
| [12:45:59] | fryfrog: | oh, how does that work? |
| [12:46:09] | Honk: | enable that in the options? :P |
| [12:46:18] | fryfrog: | is that something in svn head or -fixes? |
| [12:46:25] | fryfrog: | i don't think i've run accross it :/ |
| [12:46:28] | juski: | been around since 0.18 |
| [12:46:32] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [12:46:38] | fryfrog: | guess i just never noticed |
| [12:46:41] | subx: | how big is your LAN? |
| [12:46:56] | fryfrog: | mine is tiny, i trust it :) |
| [12:47:01] | Honk: | fryfrog: try vnstat |
| [12:47:21] | Honk: | (i'm running sshfs cuz it's easier to set up, not cuz it's faster or safer :P) |
| [12:47:36] | juski: | like nfs is difficult ffs |
| [12:47:58] | subx: | juski: some people dont like to RTFM |
| [12:48:13] | juski: | some people should've been killed before they were born |
| [12:48:15] | laga: | NFS sucks when your users ahve different UIDs. |
| [12:48:19] | subx: | :D |
| [12:48:35] | subx: | samba = windows cack. NFS = sucks ass |
| [12:48:42] | Honk: | nfs sucks, if you're trying to share a unionfs-fuse mount |
| [12:48:53] | Honk: | cuz it'll simply not work |
| [12:48:57] | Honk: | sshfs does work |
| [12:48:59] | juski: | time to turn on the filters again |
| [12:49:03] | Honk: | more than enuff reason :P |
| [12:49:12] | juski: | whee quietness again |
| [12:49:17] | fryfrog: | anyone ever try the newer linux networkness? |
| [12:49:24] | fryfrog: | like uh, andrew fs i think? |
| [12:49:32] | fryfrog: | or maybe nfs4? |
| [12:49:32] | subx: | andrew? |
| [12:49:32] | juski: | oh ffs one more then |
| [12:49:41] | subx: | lol |
| [12:49:43] | kslater: | lol |
| [12:50:08] | subx: | i thought andrews was toilet paper? |
| [12:50:27] | juski: | that's better |
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| [12:51:06] | subx: | we can all talk about juski now because he cannot see us :D |
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| [15:04:20] | juski: | way to kill the channel off, subx :-P |
| [15:06:58] | TSCHAKWerk: | hahahaa |
| [15:08:25] | quicksilver: | we were talking about you juski |
| [15:08:30] | quicksilver: | we just did it in a secret way |
| [15:08:37] | quicksilver: | it was a fascinating couple of hours |
| [15:08:58] | juski: | sure it was |
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| [16:00:22] | Flexy: | Hi, I'm changing from vdr back to myth after several years... I'm using myth from debian-multimedia.org. Should lirc work natively with this prepackaged myth, or should I be using irxevent? It kind of works with irxevent, but I did not get it to work without. With irxevent I get from time to time weird responses... first I'll miss some remote key presses, after that I start to get those missed keypresses instead of the ones I press. |
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| [16:00:53] | juski: | Flexy: lirc should be built in |
| [16:01:16] | Dagmar: | This is something you should probably be asking the people who packaged those binaries, actually. |
| [16:01:18] | juski: | you need to put the .lircrc file into ~/.mythtv as lircrc |
| [16:01:29] | Flexy: | killing lircd and reloading lirc modules fixes the FIFO effect... I also restart myth at that time... |
| [16:02:07] | juski: | mythtv supports lirc natively. it'd be very unusual for a binary package to not include it |
| [16:02:23] | Flexy: | juski: ok, I noticed that by wathcing mythfrontend logs. But I did not get any response to remote key presses |
| [16:02:39] | juski: | you need ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [16:02:50] | Flexy: | so, my lircrc is where myth expects it to be, right there |
| [16:02:51] | juski: | note the lack of a dot on the start of 'lircrc' |
| [16:02:55] | Flexy: | yep |
| [16:03:08] | juski: | and you need 'prog = mythtv' in there |
| [16:03:15] | juski: | not prog = 'irexec' |
| [16:03:16] | Flexy: | ahaa |
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| [16:04:32] | Flexy: | I looked at lircrc.example, there it was prog = irxevent |
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| [16:05:32] | Flexy: | should have watched lircrc.native.* files, I guess |
| [16:05:33] | juski: | that'd be wrong then – at least for mythtv |
| [16:05:49] | Flexy: | there seems to be mythtv |
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| [16:05:57] | ** jams becomes bored ** | |
| [16:06:23] | Flexy: | I guess that I should keep the ones where it is prog = mplayer as they are now? |
| [16:06:35] | jams: | yes |
| [16:06:36] | Flexy: | for watching home videos |
| [16:06:42] | Flexy: | right |
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| [16:10:26] | Flexy: | should I keep running irxevent? I guess I don't need it for myth, but perhaps for mplayer running thru myth, home videos? |
| [16:12:20] | fryfrog: | irexec? |
| [16:12:56] | Flexy: | actually it's irxevent that I run now |
| [16:13:13] | fryfrog: | ah, whats that do? |
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| [16:13:38] | fryfrog: | i use irexec to run a few commands, haven't seen irxevent |
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| [16:13:52] | Flexy: | changes remote keypresses to "keyboard key presses"? |
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| [16:14:30] | fryfrog: | ahhhh, neat |
| [16:14:50] | fryfrog: | so you can use it with programs that don't do remote support |
| [16:14:59] | Flexy: | saw it from some net page |
| [16:15:04] | Flexy: | yep |
| [16:15:25] | fryfrog: | mplayer and myth both can do lirc, so i'd do that for them specifically |
| [16:15:28] | fryfrog: | xine too, afaik |
| [16:15:43] | Flexy: | I guess my lircrc file was screwed when I first tried to get remote working with myth directly, went for irxevent after that |
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| [16:15:54] | fryfrog: | my only irexec entries are one to fire off a "sudo pkill mythfrontend" and one to do "ssh sudo /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart" |
| [16:16:07] | fryfrog: | ah, i see |
| [16:16:32] | fryfrog: | i thought i was having an ass of a time getting mplayer/xine/irexec working |
| [16:16:39] | fryfrog: | turns out i needed to just restart lircd :/ |
| [16:17:08] | Flexy: | oh, perhaps I should use irexec for pretty much the same purpose, my other dvb card gets firmware crashes every now and then |
| [16:17:33] | fryfrog: | yeah, occasionally my FE can't reach the BE (but be is fine) |
| [16:17:44] | fryfrog: | i've never actually *used* the "restart BE" button |
| [16:18:29] | juski: | wtf? you should only ever have to restart the BE when you're not holding a remote ;) |
| [16:18:47] | juski: | fix the problem, not the symptoms |
| [16:19:44] | fryfrog: | i just had to setup a sudo entry to allow that one command to be run |
| [16:19:51] | fryfrog: | (since I use ubuntu) |
| [16:20:06] | Flexy: | is there a automatic "right" way to get the dvb cards modules reloaded (and so the firmware reloaded) when kernel logs shows firmware crashed messages? |
| [16:20:37] | Dagmar: | There might be, but it's not going to unbollix anything that was using them at the time |
| [16:20:55] | Dagmar: | ...and if something has them open/in-use, I kinda doubt you're going to be able to unload the modules. |
| [16:21:05] | juski: | firmware for dvb tuners? hahahaha. get proper tuners |
| [16:21:13] | TSCHAKWerk: | it would probably make MORE sense |
| [16:21:19] | TSCHAKWerk: | to try to fix the cause of the crashes. |
| [16:21:35] | Dagmar: | It would be more useful, that's for sure. |
| [16:21:46] | Flexy: | Dagmar: crappy firmware causes those, I think |
| [16:21:52] | Dagmar: | I can't see just trying to reload the firmware to be something that's going to have any visible benefit. |
| [16:21:53] | juski: | TSCHAKWerk: that's like saying "it'd prolly make sense to RTFM before installing mythtv" but who would?! |
| [16:21:54] | TSCHAKWerk: | instead of trying to patch over it with denim and a needle. |
| [16:22:14] | juski: | I did, but I'm really very weird |
| [16:22:19] | Flexy: | juski: have to do that sometime when the wallet shows that I can update the whole htpc |
| [16:22:22] | Flexy: | :) |
| [16:22:33] | TSCHAKWerk: | juski: *shrug* I dunno, I just knew how to install MythTV when I popped out of the uterus. ;-) |
| [16:24:00] | TSCHAKWerk: | seriously, yeah.. i had to read the manual, because i made every possible mistake along the way the very first time. |
| [16:24:54] | TSCHAKWerk: | it really hit home when i got the first mpeg assisted card, wow, this is MUCH less headache! |
| [16:25:13] | Flexy: | juski: and that's the card that haves conax cam reader, that gets those crashes every now and then. I think they are related to not getting good RF signal from antenna... and it's pretty picky about the signal |
| [16:25:44] | TSCHAKWerk: | "But MPEG cards cost $30 more!" "Well, ok, spend that $30 on some pot then, to deal with the impending stress." |
| [16:26:19] | Dagmar: | That woudln't be enough pot |
| [16:26:26] | TSCHAKWerk: | hehee |
| [16:26:27] | Dagmar: | ...not by a long ways. |
| [16:27:18] | TSCHAKWerk: | thus the irony. |
| [16:27:20] | TSCHAKWerk: | :-P |
| [16:29:11] | sphery: | It's amazing how so many people on the list have already hit Sep 1. |
| [16:29:27] | TSCHAKWerk: | hmmm? |
| [16:29:47] | TSCHAKWerk: | did a design for an open source time machine start floating about? |
| [16:29:56] | sphery: | I'm officially ignoring all the "Sky is falling, Zap2It deleted my lineups and I don't trust that they'll fix them," threads |
| [16:30:01] | Dagmar: | What do you think the author of MePo-wide has been using? |
| [16:30:38] | TSCHAKWerk: | hah |
| [16:30:48] | ** TSCHAKWerk has mepo-wide in his rotation of themes. ** | |
| [16:30:52] | sphery: | My mistake was trying to tell them to exercise some patience, but they'd rather believe that--in spite of the fact that others have seen temporary issues that got fixed--their accounts won't be fixed. |
| [16:31:29] | TSCHAKWerk: | sphery: peepul r id10t infesstud. |
| [16:31:31] | TSCHAKWerk: | ;-p |
| [16:32:00] | sphery: | If we could get the plans for that OS time machine, perhaps we could go back in time and tell DataDirect to tell the devs, but not the users, about the shutdown. |
| [16:32:05] | sphery: | I agree TSCHAKWerk . |
| [16:32:15] | Dagmar: | sphery: Do what I do |
| [16:32:32] | sphery: | Everyone thinks, well, I'll just write my own scraper since I can't trust anyone/everyone's out to get me/whatever. |
| [16:32:46] | ** sphery guesses Dagmar is going to say, "Ignore them." ** | |
| [16:33:47] | Dagmar: | Nope. Fan the flames of panic and terror |
| [16:33:52] | sphery: | lol\ |
| [16:33:53] | TSCHAKWerk: | I'm glad I found out.. but my only response was.. ok, if there is a subscription plan that comes up, can I help, or can you let me know? |
| [16:33:54] | sphery: | better |
| [16:34:04] | xris: | TSCHAKWerk: that's a good response. :) |
| [16:34:08] | sphery: | Yeah. And that's an appropriate response. |
| [16:34:11] | xris: | and "we will let you know" :) |
| [16:34:28] | TSCHAKWerk: | i'd honestly like to help if possible. |
| [16:34:43] | ** TSCHAKWerk does have 501(c).3 experience. ** | |
| [16:34:57] | xris: | TSCHAKWerk: we'll be letting people know once we can.... |
| [16:35:01] | TSCHAKWerk: | ok |
| [16:35:04] | xris: | as for the (c)3 stuff.. what kind of experience? |
| [16:35:12] | Dagmar: | Post URLs like http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/bad-luck/datadirec . . . -275643.html |
| [16:35:21] | Dagmar: | That's always good for whipping them into a frenxy |
| [16:35:32] | TSCHAKWerk: | xris: a company i helped found, had a non-profit arm as well which did research for bringing wireless to rural areas of the united states. |
| [16:35:44] | Dagmar: | ...or Digg a site that's down with a similar URL and get others to digg it |
| [16:35:54] | Dagmar: | ...so the panicky newbs will think it was Slashdotted. |
| [16:36:13] | TSCHAKWerk: | xris: so i helped figure out what all needed to be done to attain status...which it always seems to get more difficult each year... more paperwork... more and more... |
| [16:36:51] | TSCHAKWerk: | it's not "hard"...just insanely tedious. |
| [16:36:56] | xris: | yeah, which is why it's looking less and less likely that we'd actually qualify for (c)3 status... but (c)6 should work. |
| [16:37:10] | TSCHAKWerk: | xris: why specifically? |
| [16:37:15] | ** TSCHAKWerk is curious. ** | |
| [16:37:22] | sphery: | Nice, Dagmar. Then we'd have 100 posts saying, "The site's not working for me. I can't see the article," and 1000 (including one from Dagmar) saying, "It's working great for me." |
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| [16:37:45] | Dagmar: | sphery: That's why it's better for IRC channels |
| [16:37:46] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [16:38:05] | Dagmar: | I guarantee you at least two people are wondering why that came up 404 right now, regardless of me saying flat out I fabricated it |
| [16:38:12] | xris: | As I understand it, (c)3 needs to take a certain (fairly large) portion of its funding from donation... and has to be categorized in a certain way (OSS stuff usually goes under "educational"), and we don't think we'll fit into any of them |
| [16:38:17] | TSCHAKWerk: | OMG! NO MORE TEEVEE LISTINGZ!!!!! OMGOMGOMGGGG!!!!!!!one |
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| [16:38:34] | TSCHAKWerk: | xris: that's correct.... hmmmm ok. |
| [16:38:51] | TSCHAKWerk: | xris: subscriptions don't...exactly fit under donation. |
| [16:39:00] | TSCHAKWerk: | because of their compulsary nature. |
| [16:39:16] | xris: | TSCHAKWerk: correct |
| [16:39:18] | ** TSCHAKWerk will do some research on (c)6 ** | |
| [16:39:24] | sphery: | We could make them official donations and let xris travel around strong-arming people... |
| [16:39:37] | xris: | (c)6 is a co-op... like rei, or some grocery stores. |
| [16:40:03] | TSCHAKWerk: | yes.. I am familiar with the "title" .. but I hadn't looked much beyond the abstract. |
| [16:40:07] | xris: | sphery: pay me a matching salary and I might... until then, I'll work for free (well, might charge a little for some of the code development if it gets difficult) |
| [16:40:12] | TSCHAKWerk: | but it sounds right. |
| [16:41:02] | TSCHAKWerk: | subscribe, and get a free T-Shirt! |
| [16:41:03] | TSCHAKWerk: | hehehe |
| [16:41:14] | xris: | I'd like to eventually set up a (c)3 of our own to use to get excess money back into the open source community, but at that point it'd honestly be easier to have any projects wanting donations to hook up with the SFLC Conservency or with SPI. |
| [16:41:48] | xris: | TSCHAKWerk: da##.. um, "darn" straight... well, would like to sell mythtv gear. |
| [16:42:29] | TSCHAKWerk: | hehe |
| [16:42:30] | sphery: | I'd love to buy some MythTV T-shirts, etc. |
| [16:42:48] | TSCHAKWerk: | "i control my tv." --- (MythTV) |
| [16:43:19] | sphery: | They could even be themeable. :) I'll take neon-wide in short sleeves and the blootube-top. :) |
| [16:43:35] | TSCHAKWerk: | which would be a lot better than say...the truth... "i am now chained permanently to my tv." --- (MythTV) |
| [16:43:38] | TSCHAKWerk: | :-P :-) |
| [16:43:58] | ** TSCHAKWerk cackles maniacally ** | |
| [16:44:18] | xris: | sphery: lol |
| [16:44:29] | sphery: | I went through the trouble of installing MythTV and all I got was the T-shirt (and a great way to watch TV). |
| [16:44:34] | TSCHAKWerk: | juski: want to do t-shirt designs? :-D |
| [16:44:35] | TSCHAKWerk: | heheh |
| [16:44:39] | xris: | I was thinking of just the mythtv logo.. maybe a short phrase on the back. |
| [16:44:41] | TSCHAKWerk: | sphery: PERFECT. |
| [16:44:42] | juski: | they could have remote-controllable explosive charges inside... MUHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| [16:44:53] | TSCHAKWerk: | hahaa |
| [16:45:05] | juski: | !explode sphery |
| [16:45:13] | sphery: | splat! |
| [16:45:20] | TSCHAKWerk: | no..no..no... |
| [16:45:23] | TSCHAKWerk: | !explode clever |
| [16:45:25] | TSCHAKWerk: | :-D |
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| [16:45:41] | juski: | kakazza: NO |
| [16:45:42] | juski: | kakazza: NO |
| [16:45:46] | juski: | NOT EVER. NO |
| [16:46:10] | TSCHAKWerk: | whoa, did I miss something? |
| [16:46:29] | kakazza: | I asked about a sexual relationship. |
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| [16:47:09] | TSCHAKWerk: | hahha |
| [16:47:13] | xris: | kakazza: you asked a question about a verboten topic |
| [16:47:38] | sphery: | nice word, xris |
| [16:47:58] | kakazza: | xris – Couldn't find rules about it on the wiki, nor any rules. |
| [16:48:00] | xris: | sphery: and it's even in the english dictionary. |
| [16:48:04] | ** TSCHAKWerk loves it when people mention verboten topics, it gives us an excuse to drag out the lead pipes and chains to beat some ass. ;-) ** | |
| [16:48:06] | kakazza: | So, a doc failure. |
| [16:48:17] | sphery: | Yeah. Just not one you get to use a lot. |
| [16:48:20] | Dagmar: | No, it's a failure in your common sense. |
| [16:48:35] | Dagmar: | NOONE wants the feds breathing down their necks. |
| [16:48:38] | juski: | hey is there a plugin that'll make it easy for me to steal copyright protected content while I get fat sitting in my chair? |
| [16:48:52] | kakazza: | Dagmar – <kakazza> Why illegal? BitTorrent Corp is legally selling movies. And we all use that offer, don't we? |
| [16:48:53] | kakazza: | ;) |
| [16:49:13] | kakazza: | I got ~9% bodyfat if you want to know juski :p |
| [16:49:15] | TSCHAKWerk: | oh lovely |
| [16:49:23] | Dagmar: | Ask your solicitor why it's illegal |
| [16:49:27] | kakazza: | And I am going to, zomg, cinema tonight because I don't pirate. |
| [16:49:28] | Dagmar: | It's not our job to teach you right from wrong. |
| [16:49:32] | TSCHAKWerk: | uhm yeah, no mention of the..um...p2p stuffs. |
| [16:49:34] | sphery: | It's not whether you use it legally, it's whether you /could/ use it illegally that will get us in trouble. (New world and all) |
| [16:49:35] | Dagmar: | That was something your parents should have done. |
| [16:49:57] | kakazza: | Oh shit, bit torrent clients are illegal. oh my god, call the police. |
| [16:50:09] | Dagmar: | \Just stfu troll |
| [16:50:11] | sphery: | Since it's no longer a requirement to pursue the one breaking the law, the corps take the easy wan and pursue the "enablers" |
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| [16:50:17] | juski: | right now mythtv doesn't do anything that sets it apart from consumer devices in a lot of ways |
| [16:50:30] | xris: | kakazza: seriously.. it's just not something we talk about here. leave it at that. |
| [16:50:48] | TSCHAKWerk: | we now live in a conservative close minded world of idiot lawmakers whose dicks follow their pocketbooks, and the hookers that lobbyists tend to provide for the benefit dinners that push all the wonderful agendas that affect us non-politicos. :-P |
| [16:51:01] | kakazza: | That's all I wanted to know. Blame juski for having an anger problem. |
| [16:51:06] | juski: | mythtv plays it safe, that's all – and wisely so IMHO |
| [16:51:09] | Dagmar: | No you didn't. |
| [16:51:13] | Dagmar: | You just wanted to troll. |
| [16:51:21] | Dagmar: | Either that or you're dumb as a rock. |
| [16:51:25] | kakazza: | Oh yeah, I forgot. |
| [16:51:29] | TSCHAKWerk: | we now live in a conservative regime....conservative regime....conservative regime..... |
| [16:51:39] | sphery: | I don't think juski has a problem with anger. He seems to do it well in my opinion. :) |
| [16:51:48] | Dagmar: | I'd have to agree with sphery |
| [16:51:49] | kakazza: | I am here to troll, and only that. My bad |
| [16:52:14] | Dagmar: | If you walk like a troll, and talk like a troll, you ain't a duck. |
| [16:52:15] | juski: | you think that was angry? jesus. |
| [16:52:17] | TSCHAKWerk: | kakazza: don't worry.. let's all just let it go. |
| [16:52:46] | kakazza: | I guess. |
| [16:52:53] | sphery: | juski: It wasn't what you said, it was the way the letters looked. |
| [16:53:05] | kakazza is now known as pirate_troll_lol | |
| [16:53:09] | pirate_troll_lol: | better |
| [16:53:30] | juski: | again I wish I'd never given up my badge |
| [16:53:35] | juski: | remember this is a logged channel |
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| [16:54:52] | pirate_troll_lol: | Remember I never mentioned anything about me wanting to steal something, rather than running a perfectly legal application on a linux distribution. |
| [16:55:17] | juski: | remember the official line – and NOBODY is gonna budge on that |
| [16:55:36] | sphery: | pirate_troll_lol: He knew what he said. |
| [16:55:57] | sphery: | (and it's the truth) |
| [16:56:39] | xris: | pirate_troll_lol: the only content (or 99.9% of it) available on p2p networks for mythtv to use isn't legal... so there wouldn't be much other reason for you to do so. |
| [16:57:09] | juski: | there are a few podcasts, that crummy OSS movie, er.. Systm.. and um.... |
| [16:57:44] | juski: | the occasional linux distro too – but just why you'd want to download that from your sofa is beyond me |
| [16:58:44] | xris: | now.. a rss.vid/podcast downloader and online radio streamer would be a nice plugin addition... heh. |
| [16:58:54] | juski: | xris: mythnews :) |
| [16:58:56] | pirate_troll_lol: | hah |
| [16:58:57] | xris: | or so we can compete with the iphone, a youtube plugin. heh |
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| [16:59:07] | juski: | mythnews already does youtube |
| [16:59:15] | Kakashi: | Really? Nice |
| [16:59:32] | juski: | ok some some youtube content is dodgy – but that's the responsibility of youtube to take care of |
| [16:59:33] | sphery: | Does MythNews rely on MythBrowser? |
| [16:59:37] | Kakashi: | So I can watch pir... totally legal .flv videos in top quality on a 1080p TV! |
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| [17:00:12] | sphery: | (I've never installed MythBrowser and MythNews seems kind of useless to me as I only see a few words of things.) |
| [17:00:41] | juski: | I think the only valid argument about p2p sharing is that it goes BOTH ways. when you go p2p you're helping the pirates |
| [17:01:15] | juski: | you're never only downloading :-P |
| [17:01:25] | Kakashi: | Usenet! pow! |
| [17:01:28] | Kakashi: | lol |
| [17:01:35] | Slyboots: | Your helping the pirates.. by using BitTorrent |
| [17:01:36] | xris: | juski: and that's how they can get you for the big fines. |
| [17:01:37] | Slyboots: | How exactly.. |
| [17:01:48] | Kakashi: | I think I'll come back after the cinema just to talk to you again, hah XD |
| [17:01:52] | fryfrog: | and by helping the pirates, you are helping the terrorists |
| [17:01:56] | fryfrog: | which makes you a terrorist |
| [17:01:59] | TSCHAKWerk: | darn fryfrog typed faster than me |
| [17:02:02] | TSCHAKWerk: | hahahaha |
| [17:02:03] | xris: | anyway, seriously, enough of the file sharing talk. |
| [17:02:05] | Kakashi: | haha |
| [17:02:20] | TSCHAKWerk: | we now live in a conservative regime....conservative regime....conservative regime..... |
| [17:02:22] | sphery: | I liked the t-shirt discussion better, anyway. |
| [17:02:23] | Kakashi: | Loved that article |
| [17:02:50] | ** Slyboots tries to figure out why Myth, freezes his machine dead ** | |
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| [17:03:24] | ** TSCHAKWerk eyeballs a moog etherwave pro... ** | |
| [17:03:26] | sphery: | Kakashi: BTW, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mailing_ . . . _aware_of.3F (last point). Although it talks about the lists, pretty much the same applies to IRC. |
| [17:03:35] | TSCHAKWerk: | . o O (do I want to starve for the next month? ..... maybe.) |
| [17:03:57] | juski: | I wish some people would go easy on the oxygen they use up |
| [17:04:14] | ** sphery wonders what a "theremin" is ** | |
| [17:04:22] | sphery: | is that the opposite of a "theremout"? |
| [17:05:04] | TSCHAKWerk: | sphery: it's an instrument that you play by moving your hands in the air between two wires that change volume and pitch based on your body's capacitance charge. |
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| [17:05:16] | TSCHAKWerk: | sphery: very insanely expressive.. i've been playing one for years. |
| [17:05:24] | juski: | think 'music from "it came from outer space!" ' |
| [17:05:24] | sphery: | Wow. Did I see that on Star Trek once? |
| [17:05:36] | TSCHAKWerk: | juski: hehehe |
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| [17:05:59] | juski: | sounds a lot like some kind of other-worldly violin or summink |
| [17:06:02] | TSCHAKWerk: | juski: I put massive amounts of distortion and verb on mine, attach CV to my modular synths and I get some mind-bending stuff. |
| [17:06:14] | juski: | anyway.. |
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| [17:07:13] | xris: | TSCHAKWerk: I played on an original one of them a few weeks back... |
| [17:07:55] | TSCHAKWerk: | xris: awesome :-) |
| [17:08:19] | TSCHAKWerk: | xris: i love them.... Moog just released an ultra-limited edition of the Etherwave Pro that....damn, it looks GOOD. |
| [17:08:28] | TSCHAKWerk: | absolutely BEAUTIFUL |
| [17:09:00] | TSCHAKWerk: | http://www.moogmusic.com/detail.php?main_product_id=110 <-- wow |
| [17:09:15] | TSCHAKWerk: | gives me a woody. |
| [17:10:33] | xris: | TSCHAKWerk: didn't know they still made them. that's really cool |
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| [17:10:53] | TSCHAKWerk: | i |
| [17:11:10] | TSCHAKWerk: | i'm considering one of those, and hopefully eventually a voyager to replace my ailing Minimoog Model D |
| [17:11:14] | xris: | supposed to be fairly easy to make, too. |
| [17:11:18] | TSCHAKWerk: | yup |
| [17:11:24] | TSCHAKWerk: | the circuits are dirt simple |
| [17:11:46] | xris: | at least it costs less than the flute I want. lol. |
| [17:12:05] | TSCHAKWerk: | (honestly, the reason I'm buying it is... well, I can MAKE a theramin.. but these guys do A LOT BETTER wood work than I ever could!!!) |
| [17:13:02] | TSCHAKWerk: | and i had a chance to use a voyager for an extended period of time... it is... quite literally, a minimoog and then some.. |
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| [17:14:09] | TSCHAKWerk: | it has that same intimate feel to it. |
| [17:14:30] | TSCHAKWerk: | much like a cs80.. |
| [17:14:33] | TSCHAKWerk: | ok i'll stop now. |
| [17:14:47] | xris: | TSCHAKWerk: well, like I said, my only experience with one was an original RCA one from the 30s or something like that. |
| [17:15:05] | TSCHAKWerk: | xris: that's totally awesome |
| [17:15:58] | xris: | radio museum up in bellingham, wa... we had a party there for linuxfestnorthwest a couple of months ago. some cool stuff. genuine tesla-made tesla coil, theramin, edison light bulb, etc. |
| [17:16:31] | Dagmar: | I suppose maybe they had a clean power supply for it?? |
| [17:16:56] | TSCHAKWerk: | hehe |
| [17:17:10] | TSCHAKWerk: | dirty current == character |
| [17:17:11] | TSCHAKWerk: | ;-) |
| [17:17:14] | TSCHAKWerk: | hehehe |
| [17:17:53] | TSCHAKWerk: | (it is worth noting, that if there ever was a situation where you had a perfect electrical circuit, with no noise.... oscillators would never work.) |
| [17:17:56] | TSCHAKWerk: | ;-) |
| [17:19:32] | Dagmar: | no, there's some guys who keep bringing a Tesla coil to Phreaknic, and I think perhaps I'm just going to threaten them with a supersoaker this next year |
| [17:19:39] | Dagmar: | Yes, it's all flashy and geeky, BUT... |
| [17:19:52] | xris: | heh |
| [17:20:06] | xris: | not a fan of high voltage flying through the air at you? |
| [17:20:18] | Dagmar: | The reality of the matter is that the hotel is nine floors of *wireless access points* we have painstakingly installed for the hotel, and the step-up device they use to power the damn thing is basically a high-speed spark-gap generator |
| [17:20:35] | Dagmar: | It spams incredible amounts of RF and shuts down every goddamn AP in the building for several minutes at a time |
| [17:20:37] | TSCHAKWerk: | yes |
| [17:20:39] | TSCHAKWerk: | hahahahahahaha |
| [17:21:10] | Dagmar: | ...becuase these things check to make sure they're not using an overpopulated frequency, and they can and WILL decide there are *no* safe frequencies to use in about 15–20 seconds flat, and take several minutes to timeout and try again |
| [17:21:29] | Dagmar: | ...and these fuckers don't listen to me because they don't apparently understand what a spark-gap generator is |
| [17:23:00] | Dagmar: | ...either that or they think if they continue to act like I'm making it up, no one else will ever read the numerous articles on the web for how to jam TV signals with a spark-gap generator |
| [17:24:38] | TSCHAKWerk: | i will never forget when my dad inadvertently made a spark-gap generator when he was working on some jewelry, and some metal filings had fallen off his bench, he didn't know where they went...but it turns out they found their way into the tuning plates in his HAM equipment a metre over... |
| [17:24:47] | Dagmar: | hahah |
| [17:24:51] | TSCHAKWerk: | (and he had a chain of linear amps attached) |
| [17:24:56] | Dagmar: | SWEET |
| [17:24:57] | TSCHAKWerk: | (i mean a metric fuckton) |
| [17:25:04] | TSCHAKWerk: | everything went BLACK |
| [17:25:05] | TSCHAKWerk: | for miles |
| [17:25:11] | Dagmar: | I can believe it |
| [17:25:20] | TSCHAKWerk: | what was funny was |
| [17:25:32] | TSCHAKWerk: | everybody on my block knew my dad did it |
| [17:25:36] | TSCHAKWerk: | :-) |
| [17:25:47] | Dagmar: | I just know I was trying to figure out why all the APs quit working, and I heard this orrible sound, went into the room they had it set up in and took one look at their rig and spotted the madly arcing culprit |
| [17:26:03] | Dagmar: | I'm going to probably tell them "Put it in a Faraday Cage or I soak it all, n00bs" this year |
| [17:26:08] | TSCHAKWerk: | hahahaha |
| [17:29:02] | TSCHAKWerk: | oh my god, that just reminded me of another story involving my father... |
| [17:29:52] | TSCHAKWerk: | he had a directional antenna, which he often pointed towards the ranch (this was at our house in Texas)....and one day he keyed the radio yelling at our ranch foreman about something...cursing up a storm... |
| [17:30:06] | TSCHAKWerk: | ....dad had forgotten that right in the line of sight of the ranch radio tower |
| [17:30:14] | TSCHAKWerk: | was the methodist church right across the street. |
| [17:30:18] | TSCHAKWerk: | and it was sunday |
| [17:30:25] | TSCHAKWerk: | and church was in service |
| [17:30:38] | TSCHAKWerk: | and the church used wireless audio. |
| [17:30:50] | TSCHAKWerk: | which went straight to the speakers. |
| [17:31:30] | TSCHAKWerk: | my father got a polite phone call from the minister who said, "could you please refrain from using your radio during church service?" |
| [17:31:33] | TSCHAKWerk: | "k, thanks." |
| [17:31:44] | TSCHAKWerk: | way to go, dad |
| [17:31:45] | TSCHAKWerk: | :-P |
| [17:34:07] | Flexy: | hmmm... lircrc with prog = mythtv and prog = mythfrontend both seem not to work.... |
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| [17:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | ok, sshfs is cool |
| [17:38:05] | fryfrog: | Flexy: you restart lirc/mythfrontend after making changes? |
| [17:38:10] | fryfrog: | in what way Grey? |
| [17:38:17] | Flexy: | hmmmm. now I get "LircClient warning: attempt to convert 'Key Down' to a key sequence failed. Fix your key mappings." messages to .xsession-errors file. What might be wrong with my lircrc file? |
| [17:38:27] | Flexy: | fryfrog: naturally :) |
| [17:39:47] | Flexy: | ah, perhaps just Down instead of Key Down... |
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| [17:42:46] | GreyFoxx: | fryfrog: It's great for accessing filesystems that are not shared publically via nfs/samba and still encrypted |
| [17:43:03] | Flexy: | yep, that was it. But still got the FIFO action... shit. had it also with vdr, allways thought that it was a vdr bug... seems to be a lirc bug |
| [17:43:09] | GreyFoxx: | and works through port forwards anbd the like |
| [17:43:55] | fryfrog: | GreyFoxx: ah, spiffy |
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| [18:11:13] | Slyboots: | Hi, Im having a little issue. Trying to disable OpenGL rendering for the menus in Mythfrontend, but I can not locate the configuration file that deals with that |
| [18:11:45] | Slyboots: | Also checked the SQL database, I assumed that it might be stored there but no luck (I cant use the menu system as its not functioning correctly at the moment) |
| [18:12:27] | Tanthrix: | It's on the first page of the appearance settings... |
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| [18:12:52] | Slyboots: | Tanthrix: My menu system does not work at all, hence the need to change it manualy |
| [18:13:03] | jams: | Slyboots- one moment I'l looking for the command line to reset it to the QT painter |
| [18:13:17] | Slyboots: | jams: Most appericated |
| [18:13:26] | Tanthrix: | mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [18:13:56] | Tanthrix: | Then you can go to the appearance settings and change it, and after that you shouldn't need to start it like that anymore |
| [18:14:14] | ** Slyboots tries it out.. ** | |
| [18:14:24] | Slyboots: | Yay, Menu is up and running |
| [18:14:33] | jams: | yep thats it |
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| [18:14:46] | Slyboots: | I wonder why openGL makes it bomb out hard.. |
| [18:14:58] | jams: | Slyboots- for reference that setting is also in the settings table |
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| [18:15:50] | Slyboots: | Nifty |
| [18:17:11] | Slyboots: | damn, it did not help anyway.. soon as I went to live TV the system locked up |
| [18:18:45] | Flexy: | it seems that myth can't record two channels from the same multiplex (dvb card) with just one card? Or when I watch live tv from another multiplex, it seems that another card is able to record only one of the 2 shows it should record with the free card? those two shows are on the same multiplex... vdr is in many ways crappy, but using that I know that this should be possible. Perhaps on the next release? |
| [18:19:54] | GreyFoxx: | Flexy: There is a branch called multirec which does this |
| [18:20:01] | GreyFoxx: | it hasn't been merged i the mail svn branch yet |
| [18:20:15] | GreyFoxx: | err main svn trunk I mean |
| [18:20:46] | Flexy: | ok |
| [18:21:21] | GreyFoxx: | I've been using my own way to do it, but I'm likely gonna start using that branch myself soon |
| [18:21:28] | GreyFoxx: | gotta test it |
| [18:21:38] | Flexy: | I'm using prepackaged .debs from debian-multimedia right now. installed yesterday, tried svn also, but it did not compile at the time |
| [18:21:48] | Cry_wolf2: | what ? Record 2 channels on same what? with one card ? |
| [18:21:53] | GreyFoxx: | Cry_wolf2: Yup |
| [18:21:59] | Flexy: | exactly |
| [18:22:03] | janneg: | but only with DVB cards |
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| [18:22:08] | GreyFoxx: | You can in theory record as many as are on that multiplex |
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| [18:22:11] | jams: | Cry_wolf2- not analog cable cards, only dvb |
| [18:22:12] | Flexy: | even 3 channels is possible |
| [18:22:24] | Flexy: | with my old machine |
| [18:22:30] | Cry_wolf2: | |
| [18:22:50] | GreyFoxx: | I get 8 now, but that's really just due to how my cable co has it set up |
| [18:23:09] | GreyFoxx: | someone on the mailing lists who tested it said they had 10 recordings and 1 livetv going from 3 cards |
| [18:23:20] | jams: | wow |
| [18:23:21] | Flexy: | great |
| [18:24:02] | Flexy: | missing this feature was the main reason to go vdr a year or two ago. now I'm trying myth again, hoping for the best :) |
| [18:24:57] | kormoc: | Cry_wolf2, jams, pvr 500 will do 2 channels on one card for analog |
| [18:25:07] | Cry_wolf2: | Have digital |
| [18:25:11] | Cry_wolf2: | -T |
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| [18:25:31] | janneg: | I could test ~10 channels with one card but I don't see much sense in it right now |
| [18:25:35] | jams: | kormoc- right, thats using two tuners. Not really the same multiplex |
| [18:26:12] | kormoc: | jams, heh, true. Just pointing out that there is an analog one that would do it |
| [18:26:20] | jams: | yep i have 3 of them |
| [18:26:27] | Cry_wolf2: | Seem that we have 4–5 different in sweden, a couple of nice channels on each |
| [18:26:52] | jams: | although i can only use 4 of the tuners. Anything more at it starts dropping data |
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| [18:30:31] | janneg: | jams: independent on the bitrate? |
| [18:31:07] | jams: | janneg- pretty sure it is. Have yet to really look at it. The amount of times I have 4 recordings going at once is rare |
| [18:31:37] | jams: | And i do hae the bitrate set fairly high |
| [18:31:54] | Flexy: | GreyFoxx: how do I get that multirec branch? Do I find out somewhere when the svn branch compiles and mostly works? Any inside knowledge if the new version release is coming anytime soon? |
| [18:32:32] | janneg: | Flexy: subscribe to the mythtv dev mailing list |
| [18:32:35] | jams: | Flexy- it compiles right now, more then likely some package was missing from your system. |
| [18:33:00] | janneg: | and take a look at http://svn.mythtv.org |
| [18:33:02] | Flexy: | jams: right, I'll have to try again |
| [18:33:05] | Flexy: | ok |
| [18:33:30] | jams: | Flexy- if you need help pastebin the error, somebody here can probably spot whats missing. |
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| [18:34:15] | Cry_wolf2: | |
| [18:34:16] | Cry_wolf2: | 2007-07–12 20:32:59.505 RingBuf(/mnt/d1/recordings/1004_20070712195335.mpg): Taking too long to be allowed to read.. |
| [18:36:54] | Flexy: | jams: that would be most helpful... as I'm not a coder myself... :) |
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| [18:41:06] | hume: | hello...i just installed a remote frontend, on a ubuntu-machine, using a widescreen LCD monitor. And I have problems getting the right proportions on the shown TV programs – I try changing the "aspect" setting in settings for TV, but 4:3 is too narrow and 16:9 to drawn out – anyone got advice? |
| [18:41:21] | Flexy: | jams: first error, just one line. if you need more, then I'll paste to somewhere else :) mythwidgets.h:4:21: error: qbutton.h: No such file or directory |
| [18:41:52] | jams: | looks like you need the qt dev package installed |
| [18:42:07] | Flexy: | but I do have that file... it's path is /usr/include/qt3/qbutton.h |
| [18:42:27] | jams: | do you have QTDIR setup? |
| [18:42:39] | jams: | i mean QTDIR defined |
| [18:43:09] | Flexy: | that file is in package libqt3-headers. ummh, how, where should I do that? |
| [18:44:35] | jams: | Flexy- one moment, works calls |
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| [18:45:54] | Flexy: | right. It seems that I'm doing a shotgun fix in the meantime. Installing a bunch of qt dev packages, let's see if that'll do the trick :) |
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| [18:49:10] | Flexy: | jams: it seems that shotgun fix worked :) atleast compiling takes much more time now |
| [18:54:10] | Dagmar: | not often you see people excited about that... |
| [18:54:22] | Flexy: | jams: new error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXv |
| [18:54:22] | Flexy: | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| [18:54:53] | Flexy: | yep, compile is fast when it's not done due to errors :) |
| [18:55:41] | Dagmar: | did you remember to install all of xorg? |
| [18:56:09] | Dagmar: | libXv is part of that |
| [18:56:23] | Flexy: | dunno, pretty old install. it's with nvidia proprietary driver |
| [18:56:31] | Flexy: | libxv missing? ok |
| [18:57:17] | Flexy: | development headers missing from libxv |
| [18:57:18] | Flexy: | thanks |
| [18:58:09] | Dagmar: | I spend way too much time looking at package inventories. :/ |
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| [19:00:00] | Flexy: | what about this one? /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm |
| [19:00:29] | Dagmar: | Same thing . It's another piece of X |
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| [19:01:04] | Dagmar: | You're going to need ALL the xorg -devel packages, man |
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| [19:02:26] | dvdjimmy: | hello |
| [19:02:37] | Flexy: | shit. ok. thanks |
| [19:03:46] | dvdjimmy: | maybe you have heard this question a thousand times now...I want to set up myself mythtv. As backend I would like to use a very old and slow pc which only has 800Mhz and 196Mb ram |
| [19:04:11] | dvdjimmy: | and as frontend something fast..of course... |
| [19:04:39] | juski: | 196MB ram is probably way too low. I'd recommend a minimum of 512MB |
| [19:04:43] | Tanthrix: | If it's going to be something fast, you might as well put the backend on it |
| [19:04:52] | Tanthrix: | And lose the old PC all together |
| [19:05:31] | dvdjimmy: | hmm...I thought the backend is just controlling the tv-cards and is only managing the recordings and so on |
| [19:05:42] | dvdjimmy: | Is it then really necessary to have something fast? |
| [19:05:55] | jams: | dvdjimmy- correct, but most people bundle the backend with mysql |
| [19:05:58] | juski: | always best to have as much CPU speed & RAM as you can afford |
| [19:06:09] | jams: | and mysql will use all that 196mb of ram |
| [19:06:29] | juski: | and if you can run the backend on a faster machine – the same machine as the frontend – go for it |
| [19:06:58] | dvdjimmy: | hmm...ok..I see...I didnt realise that mysql takes so much of the ram |
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| [19:07:15] | biohazd: | hey guys |
| [19:07:23] | biohazd: | anyone have mythv with virgin media ? |
| [19:07:24] | otwin: | imho, mysql doesn't take so much ram |
| [19:07:27] | dvdjimmy: | you know, currently i use linvdr on this old pc and it runs just fine |
| [19:07:51] | juski: | vdr doesn't need mysql |
| [19:07:58] | dvdjimmy: | yes thats right |
| [19:08:01] | juski: | and FWIW, VDR is just a dumb STB app |
| [19:08:14] | dvdjimmy: | STB? |
| [19:08:18] | juski: | set top box |
| [19:08:26] | dvdjimmy: | ah ok :) |
| [19:08:27] | jams: | otwin- at first mysql doen't need much ram, but the more you record programs the more data it needs to shuffle through |
| [19:08:42] | juski: | anyway with ram being so cheap these days... |
| [19:08:59] | dvdjimmy: | shure...but for old hardware its not that easy to get ram :) |
| [19:09:18] | juski: | biohazd: I used to. I'd say it's not worth bothering with but if you DO still wanna, the kit you need depends on the box you've got. |
| [19:09:31] | Tanthrix: | dvdjimmy: That's why you should just lose the old hardware. If you're going to have a decent front end, it's not worth the hassle. |
| [19:09:53] | juski: | biohazd: if you have a Samsung STB, you can use a regular IR blaster. if not, you need a fancy translator from www.redremote.co.uk & it's messy |
| [19:09:54] | Tanthrix: | dvdjimmy: I ran a SD backend/frontend combo on a 1.1GHz system without a single problem, without XvMC |
| [19:09:55] | otwin: | dvdjimmy: just try it out on your old hardware – you will like what you see and find out where you need to invest. i wouldn't recommend buying before ever having tried mythtv |
| [19:10:09] | juski: | dvdjimmy: or you could just stick with vdr :-P |
| [19:10:10] | otwin: | *buying hardware |
| [19:10:44] | juski: | my 800mhz demo box was fine at LRL, serving itself & 2 other frontends, but it has 512MB RAM |
| [19:10:47] | dvdjimmy: | hehe...I think after I will see what mythtv is capable of I will not switch back to vdr :) |
| [19:11:15] | otwin: | 196mb is very little though – mysql or not |
| [19:11:31] | juski: | you can run a frontend in 128MB RAM, just about |
| [19:11:32] | dvdjimmy: | ok...so I will invest 20Euro :) |
| [19:11:40] | juski: | not the backend, or mysql though |
| [19:11:50] | Tanthrix: | I didn't realize mysql used so much memory |
| [19:12:02] | juski: | Tanthrix: the database can get big! |
| [19:12:10] | Tanthrix: | Makes sense though, considering what it's doing. |
| [19:12:13] | juski: | my DB is well over 150MB |
| [19:13:09] | janneg: | and at least 80% of that are just seektables |
| [19:13:30] | juski: | and we kinda _need_ those seektables |
| [19:13:42] | juski: | or do we? always wondered about that actually |
| [19:13:52] | juski: | if we didn't do editing or commflagging... |
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| [19:13:59] | janneg: | but not all at once |
| [19:14:12] | dvdjimmy: | besides this i have a mac mini which i would like to use as a frontend |
| [19:14:17] | dvdjimmy: | is this already working fine? |
| [19:14:30] | juski: | apart from the editing & commflagging, is it just accurate seeking we need the seektable for? |
| [19:14:34] | juski: | dvdjimmy: yesh |
| [19:14:47] | juski: | on OSX & in linux |
| [19:15:10] | janneg: | juski: mainly fast/accurate seeking |
| [19:15:15] | juski: | that reminds me of the people I really wanted to hit at LRL.. "why isn't the mac mini running linux </whine>" |
| [19:15:44] | juski: | zucking fealots |
| [19:17:02] | dvdjimmy: | thx juski |
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| [19:17:18] | dvdjimmy: | so i just have to set up a linux system on the mac mini |
| [19:17:27] | juski: | or not |
| [19:17:34] | juski: | it'll work on OS X too |
| [19:17:52] | TSCHAKWerk: | pick your masochism ;-) |
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| [19:18:30] | Tanthrix: | In any case, it doesn't matter – as it's been said before, you'll be far too busy working on your myth box to watch TV anyway ;) |
| [19:18:52] | TSCHAKWerk: | hee hee |
| [19:19:24] | dvdjimmy: | jusi -thx |
| [19:19:25] | TSCHAKWerk: | you'll be so disconnected from TV that you might just want to...oh, I don't know.....READ A BOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [19:19:30] | TSCHAKWerk: | :-D |
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| [19:23:59] | zntneo: | anyone have any clue why my listings are messed up? |
| [19:24:30] | Tanthrix: | That's like asking "does anyone know why my car makes a clunking sound when I drive it?" |
| [19:24:35] | Tanthrix: | Give us a few more details ;) |
| [19:24:44] | zntneo: | sorry for the vageness |
| [19:25:50] | zntneo: | when i look at the listenings they are not listings that would correspond to the channels that i have |
| [19:25:57] | zntneo: | so like on the discovery channel |
| [19:26:08] | zntneo: | i have e! true hollywood stories |
| [19:26:33] | zntneo: | that clearer tan? |
| [19:27:14] | zntneo: | dang i'll be back later |
| [19:27:16] | Tanthrix: | So, the discovery channel is supposed to be, say, channel 7, but then you scroll to channel 7 in the listings you see the E channel? |
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| [19:27:21] | Tanthrix: | Sigh. |
| [19:36:57] | Altair256: | I imagine he needed the fix in 30 seconds, and didn't have time to wait |
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| [19:37:07] | Altair256: | those people that take the 'i' in IRC literally |
| [19:37:44] | Altair256: | WHAT?!? you mean you can't fix my problem instantly without me doing any work? |
| [19:38:07] | Altair256: | I can't be bothered to actually troubleshoot the issue myself... or take the time to actually give any details |
| [19:38:19] | Altair256: | *sigh* |
| [19:38:39] | Altair256: | where's juski? He'll back me up... lol |
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| [19:46:21] | dvdjimmy: | good bye |
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| [20:19:42] | Toast: | Hi, I'm trying to troubleshoot a DVB-T channel which tzap tells me is locked, but myth won't record.is there a simple way I can test the channel without myth? I've been searching for DVB capable media players, but so far, xine is no use, as it bombs out as soon as it sees I'm connecting over a remote x session. |
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| [20:22:40] | laga: | Toast: kaffeine might work. |
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| [20:23:36] | Toast: | Getting it now. |
| [20:24:28] | Toast: | I remember someone teling me there was a command which would get the program stream and dump it to hard disk, but I can't find it on google. |
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| [20:25:45] | janneg: | Toast: tzap -r CHANNEL & cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 > test.mpg |
| [20:26:01] | Toast: | setting up kaffeine now and it's running.... |
| [20:26:05] | Toast: | janneg: thanks. |
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| [20:48:33] | Toast: | Very strange... even though tzap tells me it has a lock, the file I copy is empty. |
| [20:49:35] | Toast: | And I get almost identical signal, snr, ber and unc stats on that channel to one which is absolutly reliable. |
| [20:53:38] | Toast: | does a ber of always below 0h00000050 and unc lf always 0- sound good to you guys? |
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| [21:07:10] | jams: | GreyFoxx- had a chance to see hobbit in action? |
| [21:07:28] | juski: | Toast: UNC should always be zero if poss |
| [21:08:45] | Toast: | I always get UNC of 0 on all the channels I've checked, but I couldn't get BER down to 0. Perhaps when I get ladders, I can put my aerial outside. |
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| [21:11:48] | Toast: | I've just got to figure out now why tzap tells me it can lock to a channel when nothing else can get the data out of that channel. |
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| [21:15:47] | juski: | Toast: BER == bit error rate. you're unlikely to get it down to 0. DVB has lots of error correction anyway |
| [21:15:55] | juski: | UNC == uncorrectable errors |
| [21:16:47] | ** stuarta recommends Jack Daniels as the cure for all evils ** | |
| [21:16:47] | juski: | I generally find a BER in the low tens is fine. anything in UNC & you'll get major picture breakups |
| [21:17:03] | Altair256: | I thought Jack Daniel's was the cause of all evil? >.> |
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| [21:17:20] | juski: | I felt pretty damn fine last saturday night |
| [21:17:26] | stuarta: | :) |
| [21:17:29] | juski: | after a heck of a lot of JD |
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| [21:17:57] | juski: | can't drink JD on a work night though :-\ |
| [21:18:07] | juski: | not unless I plan on phoning in sick |
| [21:18:13] | stuarta: | have 2mro off :) |
| [21:18:21] | juski: | thanks stuarta :) |
| [21:18:39] | juski: | get pished, take day off sick, do theming |
| [21:18:49] | Toast: | thanks for the help people... Night. |
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| [21:19:07] | stuarta: | i have lots of little odd jobs to do tomorrow. |
| [21:19:16] | stuarta: | luckily little thought is required |
| [21:19:32] | jams: | are we taking bets how many of those actually get worked on? |
| [21:19:41] | Altair256: | I'm just glad tomorrow is Friday |
| [21:19:47] | stuarta: | most of em :) |
| [21:19:57] | jams: | heh |
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| [21:20:22] | stuarta: | lets see. buy stuff, buy food, collect dry cleaning, haircut, cook dinner for girlie |
| [21:20:39] | stuarta: | not too strenuous :) |
| [21:21:04] | juski: | me, draw sata cable looms (!), look busy, come home, look busy |
| [21:21:05] | stuarta: | finding a restaurant for Saturday night is however a pain in the arse |
| [21:21:54] | stuarta: | that's an improvement, they've gone from not answering to being busy |
| [21:22:12] | juski: | anybody got one of those MiB neuraliser doo-hickies? I've got stuff I wanna forget |
| [21:24:36] | ** stuarta offers a can of "special brew" ** | |
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| [21:26:08] | juski: | haha |
| [21:26:18] | juski: | maybe a few 'blastaways' will do the job tomorrow |
| [21:26:29] | juski: | 'special brew' & 'diamond white' |
| [21:26:38] | stuarta: | success!!! restaurant booked! |
| [21:26:42] | juski: | wooot! |
| [21:26:54] | stuarta: | Chez Manny, spoke to Manny :) |
| [21:27:04] | juski: | so am I lucky then? mrs J isn't a fan of going to fancy eateries |
| [21:27:30] | juski: | fancy, as in those with knives & forks on tables |
| [21:27:35] | subx: | does anybody know when UK is going to broadcast HD on freeview? |
| [21:27:43] | juski: | subx: never! muhahahahaha |
| [21:27:53] | subx: | we have got all these flash HD TVs for sale but no sign of HD freeview :-/ |
| [21:27:55] | juski: | all your frequencies are belong to us (says Murdoch) |
| [21:28:15] | subx: | serious? |
| [21:28:28] | juski: | subx: won't be at least til analogue is gone completely, and even then isn't a certainty by ANY stretch of the imagination |
| [21:28:54] | juski: | but rest assured the govt WILL auction off the spare spectrum after the digital switchover. |
| [21:29:17] | juski: | I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you |
| [21:29:27] | juski: | I ain't holding mine |
| [21:29:27] | subx: | i havent seen any sign of films on HD disks and there is no HD freeview, so what is the point of buying a HD TV in UK? |
| [21:29:39] | juski: | SKY HD ! |
| [21:29:43] | subx: | oh yes... |
| [21:29:47] | stuarta: | juski: no chance of you coming to dinner with me on Sat N :-P |
| [21:29:55] | juski: | stuarta: rofl |
| [21:30:04] | juski: | was worth a try ;) |
| [21:30:07] | laga: | subx: it seems to me that those LCD TV sets are almost cheaper than old SDTV CRT sets |
| [21:30:16] | stuarta: | anyway, you are married already. |
| [21:30:34] | subx: | laga: maybe so but they are not being used to the potential in the UK |
| [21:30:52] | subx: | HD Ready (BUT NO HD) |
| [21:30:58] | juski: | ah yes... you might want to take something to rest your knee on ;) |
| [21:31:17] | stuarta: | what's with this episode of Andromeda? Guest starring half of Stargate SG-1 |
| [21:31:31] | juski: | subx: even if HDTV were to come over the air in the UK it's likely to NOT be mpeg2, so nothing available now can even display it! |
| [21:31:44] | subx: | jeeze.. |
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| [21:32:07] | juski: | subx: you've not heard the rest of it yet – there's gonna be an outcry when it breaks |
| [21:32:34] | subx: | isnt analogue meant to be turned off next year? |
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| [21:33:02] | juski: | when analogue is switched orf, the digital stuff is changing transmission mode from 2k to 8k meaning everybody with an old OnDigital STB will be left without telly and some with non-ondigital but slightly older STBs will need to buy new uns! |
| [21:33:20] | juski: | subx: varies by area. total deadline by end of 2012 |
| [21:33:27] | subx: | ok |
| [21:33:44] | juski: | and you know that DAB radio you got? obsolete in 5 or 6 years |
| [21:33:51] | subx: | haah |
| [21:34:01] | juski: | changing transmission method of that too |
| [21:34:28] | juski: | so going 'didgy-kal' ain't enough fella |
| [21:34:35] | ** subx holds onto his 15" portable ** | |
| [21:36:10] | juski: | it's not as if these revelations haven't been getting reported either – they've had plenty exposure, but apparently some bint in Big Brother is more worthy of column inches. Or summink |
| [21:36:34] | juski: | anyway it's really just aswell we ain't got HD on freeview yet |
| [21:37:11] | juski: | when it comes in it's very likely to be 1080i h.264 and right now you need a werry werry quick machine to decode/display it |
| [21:37:25] | juski: | and I ain't talkin bout no 3Ghz core duo |
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| [21:37:56] | jd86: | Who needs so much definition. I'm perfectly happy with my SD |
| [21:38:20] | juski: | jd86: having seen NTSC I can see how the USA guys are all over HD :-P |
| [21:38:32] | jd86: | I live in US |
| [21:38:43] | stuarta: | it'll be years before the majority of content is HD anyway |
| [21:39:00] | juski: | even if their average bitrate is only slightly more than our peak bitrate, HD vs SD.. lol |
| [21:39:16] | jd86: | I guess I'm not terribly picky about quality though. |
| [21:39:42] | juski: | you can't be if you're happy with NTSC :-P |
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| [21:39:55] | jd86: | hah |
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| [21:40:13] | juski: | I think it's been ages since you could justifiably call it 'yeller telly' though :) |
| [21:40:26] | jd86: | I haven't ever seen anything but NTSC (and well HD... but thats like at stores where you stand 2 inches away from a HUGE tv so it doesn't look amazing any more) |
| [21:45:33] | clever: | finaly my backend has crashed |
| [21:45:39] | clever: | now to figure out why |
| [21:45:46] | Slyboots: | Crap, I enabled that ATI hack to fix the "Blue" man effect |
| [21:45:54] | Slyboots: | While it works, video playback has gone to *hell* |
| [21:46:02] | Slyboots: | Its extreamy choppy, while Audio works fine |
| [21:47:07] | ** juski hands Slyboots his old nvidia card ** | |
| [21:47:24] | Slyboots: | I tried that |
| [21:47:37] | Slyboots: | Its taken me the last 6 hours to fix the machine so it at least boots |
| [21:47:46] | ** clever pastebins his error ** | |
| [21:48:23] | Slyboots: | Three is nothing in mythbackend.log |
| [21:48:40] | juski: | being born with The Knack must be something I was cursed with |
| [21:49:08] | clever: | pastebin.ca/61684 |
| [21:49:09] | clever: | pastebin.ca/61685 |
| [21:49:18] | clever: | what could be causing that error? |
| [21:50:00] | clever: | damnit wrong link |
| [21:50:22] | juski: | clever: are you kidding? that's a kernel config file |
| [21:50:30] | juski: | duh |
| [21:50:52] | clever: | pastebin.ca/616845 |
| [21:51:07] | clever: | there thats if |
| [21:51:14] | clever: | constantly spiting that out |
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| [21:51:54] | clever: | juski: any idea? |
| [21:51:56] | juski: | wooo no idea there clever. you need an expert to look at dat |
| [21:52:13] | clever: | lol |
| [21:52:50] | clever: | you may have noticed msgs mythtv doesnt normaly make |
| [21:52:59] | clever: | # |
| [21:53:00] | clever: | 2007-07–12 16:47:13.345 writeStringList: writeBlock('51 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE[]:[]empty' + '0', '59') == 59 |
| [21:53:06] | clever: | mythtv doesnt normaly show those |
| [21:53:49] | juski: | no idea what that's all about |
| [21:54:05] | clever: | + VERBOSE(VB_NETWORK,QString("writeStringList: writeBlock('%1' + '%2', '%3') == %4").arg(payload.data()).arg(written).arg(size).arg(temp)); |
| [21:54:15] | clever: | added that line of code to my copy to increase the debuging |
| [21:54:30] | clever: | would it be posible to get a core dump type image so i can save its state? |
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| [21:54:54] | juski: | fortunately I've never been in a position to need that kind of info |
| [21:55:04] | juski: | so I gotta just shrug |
| [21:55:06] | juski: | :) |
| [21:55:11] | clever: | i'll see if i can add a backend command to make it abort:P |
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| [21:55:27] | clever: | 2007-07–12 16:55:14.845 writeStringList: writeBlock('71 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]COMMFLAG_REQUEST 1045 2007-07–10T22:00:00[]:[]empty' + ' |
| [21:55:33] | clever: | its also got comflag spam |
| [21:57:24] | clever: | who might be the expert to look at that? |
| [21:57:27] | clever: | #mythtv ?:P |
| [21:57:57] | Beirdo: | you might want to follow the posted directions on getting a coredump, etc for any bug reporting |
| [21:58:08] | clever: | its not actualy making a core dump |
| [21:58:21] | clever: | its just stuck in what looks like a inf loop eating cpu and spiting out logs |
| [21:58:25] | Beirdo: | heh, unlike my bot |
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| [21:58:41] | Beirdo: | adding mucho new functionality, and many a coredump in testing |
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| [21:58:45] | clever: | i could add a command to the mythtv socket to make it call abort() which should core dump it |
| [21:59:00] | clever: | ive managed to make a telnetish client for the mythtv protocol |
| [21:59:10] | clever: | which properly handles the prefixing of every msg with its size |
| [21:59:43] | juski: | hey maybe your customisations are the reason for the crashycrashy :0 |
| [22:00:00] | juski: | I never rule it out with my own code & nor should you :) |
| [22:00:29] | clever: | and my client was still connected and getting spamed:P |
| [22:00:47] | clever: | and it was doing those crashes before i modified it |
| [22:00:54] | Beirdo: | oh good luck getting support on your own hacked up version :) |
| [22:00:55] | clever: | that mod was to make it log what i thought was the problem |
| [22:01:09] | clever: | i added 1 line:P |
| [22:01:10] | clever: | + VERBOSE(VB_NETWORK,QString("writeStringList: writeBlock('%1' + '%2', '%3') == %4").arg(payload.data()).arg(written).arg(size).arg(temp)); |
| [22:01:17] | clever: | how can that cause harm?:P |
| [22:02:14] | Beirdo: | w00t! I think I finally got THAT part working. |
| [22:02:38] | clever: | lol |
| [22:02:46] | ** Beirdo is adding an ncurses console onto the bot... currently putting in the functionality to reconfigure and save to the database ** | |
| [22:03:00] | Beirdo: | fun stuff... |
| [22:03:20] | Beirdo: | and of course, I had to choose the most finnicky plugin to start with. |
| [22:03:27] | ** clever hacks it up to add core dumping on demand ** | |
| [22:03:41] | Beirdo: | ummm, that's already there |
| [22:03:48] | Beirdo: | kill -SEGV processid |
| [22:04:15] | clever: | ahh didnt think of that:P |
| [22:04:18] | Beirdo: | if you've enabled coredumps with ulimit -c xxxxxxxxxxxx where xxxxxxxxxxxx is a large enough number |
| [22:04:34] | clever: | ulimit -c unlimited |
| [22:04:35] | clever: | also works:P |
| [22:04:38] | Beirdo: | unless they specifically put in a handler, which I don't think they did |
| [22:04:49] | clever: | mythtv@theP4:~$ ulimit -c |
| [22:04:49] | clever: | unlimited |
| [22:04:49] | clever: | mythtv@theP4:~$ |
| [22:04:54] | clever: | allready enabled:) |
| [22:04:55] | Beirdo: | I have a segfault handler in the bot that gives me a backtrace |
| [22:04:56] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:05:05] | Beirdo: | and then coredumps |
| [22:05:06] | clever: | i see that in my bnc |
| [22:05:12] | clever: | which then calls abort to core dump anyway |
| [22:05:46] | clever: | also my c++ irc client that i made would print out which network it was handling and some basic state data when it got a segv |
| [22:05:49] | clever: | to aid in my debuging |
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| [22:06:36] | clever: | i'll have to segv it next time this happens |
| [22:06:51] | clever: | Beirdo: know what the upref and downref's are for? |
| [22:07:03] | Beirdo: | I've often used that technique to kill things I want to debug |
| [22:07:09] | Beirdo: | hmm? |
| [22:07:46] | clever: | pastebin.ca/616845 |
| [22:08:38] | Beirdo: | dunno |
| [22:08:49] | Beirdo: | you'll have to scour the code and find out |
| [22:09:09] | clever: | i have gone over the mythsocket code a bit |
| [22:10:48] | clever: | [12 17:11:13] OUT: QUERY_FREE_SPACE |
| [22:10:48] | clever: | [12 17:11:13] IN: theP4[]:[]/media/mainlv/mythtv[]:[]1[]:[]-1[]:[]0[]:[]63799104[]:[]0[]:[]5964193 6[]:[]theP4[]:[]/med |
| [22:10:51] | clever: | ia/disk/mythtv/data[]:[]0[]:[]-1[]:[]0[]:[]75884640[]:[]0[]:[]74903768 |
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| [22:10:54] | clever: | [12 17:11:13] done receiving packet |
| [22:10:56] | clever: | output from my mythtv client i made |
| [22:10:59] | Beirdo: | blech |
| [22:11:02] | Beirdo: | how ugly |
| [22:11:05] | clever: | gives direct access to the mythtv protocol |
| [22:11:17] | clever: | while handling the lenght prefixing of msgs on its own |
| [22:11:46] | clever: | its ugly but it lets me run raw commands on it to see how its responding |
| [22:12:10] | clever: | the code is worse |
| [22:12:17] | clever: | it has trouble with strings over a certain size |
| [22:12:31] | stuarta: | ew |
| [22:12:32] | clever: | and its tricky just to handle more then 1 space in a row making the space pading of the prefix tricky |
| [22:12:50] | ** stuarta rewrites it in perl ** | |
| [22:12:54] | clever: | lol |
| [22:13:24] | clever: | this was in mirc script:P |
| [22:13:47] | clever: | its ugly but i can keep editing it while the socket is open without reconnecting anything |
| [22:14:43] | Beirdo: | mirc? |
| [22:14:45] | ** Beirdo shudders ** | |
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| [22:14:56] | clever: | yeah:P |
| [22:15:04] | stuarta: | hardcore! |
| [22:15:29] | Beirdo: | I refuse to use a non-free, windows-only IRC client :) |
| [22:15:57] | laga: | i refuse to use a non-free, windows-only IRC client for programming |
| [22:15:58] | clever: | mirc script is free |
| [22:16:04] | clever: | you can keep using it after the trial period |
| [22:16:10] | ** Beirdo likes his combination of x-chat and irssi ** | |
| [22:16:12] | clever: | lol |
| [22:16:16] | clever: | im using irssi and mirc |
| [22:16:18] | clever: | on the same nick |
| [22:16:18] | Beirdo: | bot of which are permanently free |
| [22:16:27] | clever: | but mirc isnt connected to the nick atm |
| [22:16:32] | laga: | clever: it's probably free as in 'free beer' but not free as in 'freedom' |
| [22:16:40] | clever: | it locks up for several mins because of the massive flood of nicks in channels |
| [22:17:01] | clever: | once the trial time expires your forced to wait 30 sec every time you start it |
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| [22:17:05] | clever: | like winzip |
| [22:17:06] | Beirdo: | it locks up because it's crrrrrap |
| [22:17:22] | clever: | but when i run it for 6 weeks without restarting i dont notice that |
| [22:17:28] | Beirdo: | anyways, back to my previously scheduled bot programming |
| [22:17:32] | clever: | lol |
| [22:18:00] | clever: | the lockups are more the bnc's failt |
| [22:18:13] | clever: | when im connecting to a nick allready online it has to send the nicks for every channel |
| [22:18:17] | clever: | it sends it 1 nick at a time |
| [22:18:24] | clever: | not 15–20 at a time |
| [22:18:51] | clever: | if i do /names #mythtv-users i get a ton of lines |
| [22:19:23] | clever: | 1 per user |
| [22:19:48] | laga: | o_O |
| [22:19:54] | clever: | [12 17:09:22] OUT: ANN Monitor acer 1 |
| [22:19:55] | clever: | 2 OK |
| [22:20:04] | clever: | that should simulate the effects of a mythwelcome being connected |
| [22:20:14] | clever: | which is what i thought the problem was a week or 2 ago |
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| [22:35:28] | Beirdo: | woohoo! |
| [22:35:35] | Beirdo: | I got coredumpage again |
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| [22:37:09] | Beirdo: | oh nice. |
| [22:37:19] | Beirdo: | seems I tromped on memory, this should be fun |
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| [22:43:08] | TTT_Travis: | I want to use mythtv-frontend instead of freevo so I chose to go with minimyth — however minimyth requires me to run myth-backend, is there a way that I can run minimyth without mythbackend (Since I don't use the TV functionality anyway) and just use mysql database? |
| [22:45:01] | juski: | TTT_Travis: of course, but I think mythfrontend is way too much without the TV functionality – there are other media frontends that don't depend on mysql |
| [22:45:16] | juski: | you should keep a close eye on the linux port of XBMC |
| [22:45:23] | TTT_Travis: | I want to netboot though |
| [22:45:31] | TTT_Travis: | and minimyth is really the only thing that lets me do that |
| [22:45:47] | TTT_Travis: | that I know of |
| [22:45:55] | laga: | geexbox probably? |
| [22:45:55] | juski: | you can netboot any linux distro |
| [22:46:16] | TTT_Travis: | but that gets messy and complicated |
| [22:46:17] | juski: | geexbox is very light & small enough to fit on a USB stick |
| [22:46:20] | TTT_Travis: | I tried ltsp |
| [22:46:29] | TTT_Travis: | can I netboot is easily? |
| [22:47:06] | TTT_Travis: | and are there any nicer themes? the one in the screenshot is kinda blah |
| [22:47:24] | TTT_Travis: | sweet I can netboot it |
| [22:47:27] | TTT_Travis: | I will give that a shot |
| [22:47:53] | juski: | the themes for it are all pretty much bleugh though |
| [22:48:12] | juski: | but again they're planning to get freevo in there too |
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| [22:49:08] | juski: | anyway if you still feel the need to go for minimyth, a bit of menu xml editing will be all you need to do away with the tv functions – the parts that need the backend |
| [22:49:39] | Slyboots: | Hell.. Im having some problems compiling Myth from source? |
| [22:49:45] | juski: | that reminds me actually – when I was bored on sunday I had a play with the DVR theme. "watch tv" is classed as a 'tv utility'. ffs! who thought of that? |
| [22:49:52] | TTT_Travis: | yeah but minimyth requires a backend to even run |
| [22:50:09] | juski: | TTT_Travis: doesn't as far as I know |
| [22:50:10] | Slyboots: | I downloaded the svn to make that alteration to the videoout_xv.ccp file to get my ATI card to work |
| [22:50:15] | Slyboots: | But now the compile crashes |
| [22:50:25] | TTT_Travis: | juski when I try to boot it errors out and says cannot connect to backend |
| [22:50:28] | Slyboots: | does this room have a pastebin? |
| [22:50:30] | juski: | TTT_Travis: ah |
| [22:50:34] | juski: | Slyboots: pastebin.ca |
| [22:53:14] | TTT_Travis: | I am guessing GEEXBOX doesn't have LIRC included? |
| [22:53:17] | TTT_Travis: | or am I wrong? |
| [22:53:32] | Slyboots: | http://pastebin.ca/616945 |
| [22:53:59] | Slyboots: | Considering I edited the file videoout_sv.cpp and thats whats causing the compile to fail is a pain in the ass.. |
| [22:54:51] | laga: | Slyboots: can you please show us the change? please paste the relevant section of the file to a pastebin |
| [22:54:58] | Slyboots: | I did, its at the bottom |
| [22:55:03] | GreyFoxx: | Slyboots: You are missing the "#" at the front of the #define |
| [22:55:08] | GreyFoxx: | You deleted too much |
| [22:55:10] | laga: | oops |
| [22:55:13] | laga: | i must be blind :) |
| [22:55:29] | TTT_Travis: | juski know anyway around that to force it to work? |
| [22:55:31] | Slyboots: | Eh? I thought ... I cant make a hash symbol here but, I thought that indicated a comment? |
| [22:55:42] | juski: | TTT_Travis: nope, not without editing the scripts |
| [22:55:42] | laga: | not in c++ |
| [22:55:43] | GreyFoxx: | Slyboots: Only in perl and bash scripts |
| [22:55:48] | Slyboots: | Doh.. :) |
| [22:55:55] | laga: | you make comments in c with // or /* */ |
| [22:55:56] | Slyboots: | Thanks GreyFoxx, I did not realise that |
| [22:56:16] | GreyFoxx: | np |
| [22:56:23] | Slyboots: | Can I just re-run make and it will continue where it left off? |
| [22:56:30] | Slyboots: | Or will I have to do a make clean and start again |
| [22:56:42] | GreyFoxx: | I'm gonna commit a change tonight to make that just a hidden db setting anyway rather than requiring people to recompile |
| [22:56:50] | GreyFoxx: | Slyboots: yup it will continue |
| [22:56:51] | TTT_Travis: | juski yeah think I would have to recompile the whole thing, and I don't want to do that — maybe I will just run mythbackend I guess |
| [22:57:03] | TTT_Travis: | gonna try GEEXBOX first |
| [22:57:09] | Slyboots: | Nice :) |
| [22:57:43] | Beirdo: | laga, technically, you make comments in C with /* */ only, and in C++ with either // or /* */ |
| [22:57:46] | laga: | GreyFoxx: do you know if the problem affects all people using the ati driver? |
| [22:57:53] | laga: | Beirdo: oops |
| [22:58:00] | laga: | Beirdo: was not sure :( |
| [22:58:03] | GreyFoxx: | laga: Nope, not all but a large enough number |
| [22:58:03] | Beirdo: | many C compilers let you away with C++ comments in C though. |
| [22:58:13] | GreyFoxx: | I don't know specifically what combo of driver version+hardware casues it |
| [22:58:25] | GreyFoxx: | and a lot of Intel users run into it |
| [22:58:27] | laga: | GreyFoxx: ok, thanks |
| [22:58:34] | laga: | GreyFoxx: *intel* or *iegd*? |
| [22:58:39] | GreyFoxx: | Intel |
| [22:58:40] | ** Beirdo is a bit anal about using pedantic mode in gcc, which catches that :) ** | |
| [22:58:50] | janneg: | comments with // are in the latest C standard |
| [22:59:06] | Beirdo: | janneg, then they should be bitch-slapped for that |
| [22:59:11] | janneg: | already 8 years old |
| [22:59:14] | Beirdo: | that's laziness. |
| [22:59:27] | Beirdo: | you SURE it's in C99? |
| [22:59:30] | laga: | GreyFoxx: now that's weird |
| [22:59:38] | janneg: | Beirdo: yes |
| [22:59:52] | Beirdo: | yuck |
| [23:00:05] | GreyFoxx: | laga: Well, I suppose it could be IEGD specific, but many people using a regular PC with an onboard Intel GPU run into it . I just assumed they were not using IEGD |
| [23:00:12] | Beirdo: | anyways, until then, you had to use proper comments (what, me, bigoted?) :) |
| [23:01:03] | Beirdo: | and people who comment out CODE sections with /* */ get the trout from me too.. That's what #if 0 / #endif is for |
| [23:01:12] | laga: | GreyFoxx: i'd assume they're using the x.org driver |
| [23:01:24] | Beirdo: | otherwise, if there are comments in there, it can get real funky |
| [23:03:48] | Beirdo: | anyways, back to my code. :) |
| [23:04:55] | Beirdo: | eek. The bot's nearly 18k lines of code now |
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| [23:33:12] | TTT_Travis: | how do I completely remove a program with apt-get including configs etc.? |
| [23:33:26] | laga: | hum |
| [23:33:29] | laga: | it'd be easy to tell you |
| [23:33:38] | laga: | but it'd also be to tell you to read the manual |
| [23:33:59] | TTT_Travis: | I have used it before I just always forget the switch |
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| [23:34:47] | laga: | well |
| [23:34:51] | laga: | that's what manuals are for |
| [23:35:06] | TTT_Travis: | ahh |
| [23:35:06] | TTT_Travis: | apt-get remove --purge PACKAGENAME |
| [23:35:42] | Beirdo: | laga: you are turning into such a BOFH-like person. Congrats :) |
| [23:36:11] | ** juski wonders what he'd classify as ** | |
| [23:37:07] | juski: | actually no that doesn't need an answer. starts with the letter 'c' |
| [23:38:34] | Beirdo: | classy guy? |
| [23:38:35] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:39:36] | juski: | wonder what makes people turn out like me,from being a typical 'wants it all on a plate' user to now |
| [23:40:12] | juski: | would also like to know how folks turn from that user to a butt-kissing altruist "jump you say? oh how high sir?" advocate |
| [23:41:52] | laga: | make a pink theme. |
| [23:42:55] | juski: | it's actually on the cards |
| [23:43:03] | juski: | so's a kids theme |
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| [23:43:42] | juski: | we ideally need the multiuser stuff for those to work properly, but they're in the pipeline |
| [23:44:02] | Beirdo: | heh, make the kids one not show daddy's pr0n? |
| [23:44:52] | Beirdo: | or make one for teens that shows hidden pr0n? |
| [23:44:58] | juski: | lol. I've no idea how the parental control in mythtv works |
| [23:45:05] | Beirdo: | me neither |
| [23:46:08] | juski: | been playing with drawing glass plates tonight. damn it's hard |
| [23:46:40] | juski: | wanna do a very stylish light theme where all the info appears on glass |
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| [23:47:24] | juski: | I might just cheat & use a 3d package |
| [23:48:15] | juski: | btw word of warnign Beirdo, met Gerhard last weekend completely by surprise (Retro theme guy) – we're gonna collaborate later in the year |
| [23:48:38] | laga: | omg everybody hide QUICK! |
| [23:48:39] | laga: | :) |
| [23:49:12] | Beirdo: | oh cool |
| [23:49:19] | juski: | the only good stuff to come out of last weekend was all the talk about mythtv we had, come to think |
| [23:49:26] | Beirdo: | more themes = more happy lusers... er users :) |
| [23:49:57] | juski: | I reckon if we ever needed an excuse to all go to linuxtag that'd be it – a mythtv get-together |
| [23:55:37] | juski: | WTH?! looking at MediaPortal's site – they opened a poll a while back asking if folks were planning to update to HD in the near future – the reason? Oh something about them adding support for a hardware decoder :-O |
| [23:55:39] | laga: | does someone have their login for the channel faq handy and could delete the spam there? |
| [23:55:48] | laga: | i lost mine somewhere |
| [23:55:52] | Beirdo: | hmm? |
| [23:56:04] | Beirdo: | one sec |
| [23:56:36] | juski: | "Just a bit about the hardware decoding solution. It will be capable of decoding VC1, MPEG-2, H.264, DivX & Xvid video streams with most audio. |
| [23:56:39] | juski: | So if you have a high CPU% decoding any of these at the moment in standard or high definition then it may be a solution for you. |
| [23:56:56] | juski: | I wanna know wth that solution is... |
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