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Tuesday, July 10th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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mintee_:

grep '/mythweb/music' /mythwebpath and trace the problem from the src.

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mintee_:

-R

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TUplink_:

huh....

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geek:

hello guys

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TUplink_:

the file /modules/music is there

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TUplink_:

its like maybe there is a place you have to enable mythmusic

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geek:

whenever i start mythtv the screen flickers and then goes back to the login screen

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geek:

whenever i start mythtv the screen flickers and then goes back to the login screen

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geek:

whenever i start mythtv the screen flickers and then goes back to the login screen

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geek:

anyone here?

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fryfrog:

anyone here who would help you probably won't unless you repeat 3 or 4 more times

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Dagmar:

Don't tell people that

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Dagmar:

Needless repeating just makes us ignore people

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mintee_:

lol fryfrog

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geek:

i thought there was an expert in here sorry for my asumption

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geek:

*assumption

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mintee_:

well, looks like zap2it\dd is getting somewhere... at least i'm getting a 200 response instead of the 401 unauth'd now.

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mintee_:

*sigh*

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Dagmar:

geek: Saying bullshit things like that is a nigh GUARANTEED way to be ignored

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TUplink_:

errrr....

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TUplink_:

i cant get the music module to load in mythweb

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TUplink_:

it is really annoing

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TUplink_:

um... im trying to buld the plugins manualy....... but it says Disabling MythMusic due to missing dependencies

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TUplink_:

all of the progies are instaled i think

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my2keh:

never had any problems wiht mythmusic

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my2keh:

it just worked

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my2keh:

now a UIRT is different

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pembo13_com:

hey, i'm trying to get the listings, but i'm getting a 500 error when i try to do so

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pembo13_com:

i've used the username and password before

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my2keh:

zap is having problems

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pembo13_com:

with DataDirect USA

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my2keh:

DD is having problems

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pembo13_com:

my2keh: so this is unrelated to the service shutdown coming soon?

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my2keh:

I don't work for them, but it looks that way, unrelated

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pembo13_com:

my2keh: thanks... i'll trust your opinion

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my2keh:

trust their forum post

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my2keh:

on their forum

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TUplink_:

how do i install qmake in fedora 7?

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daMaestro:

TUplink_, run: yum provides qmake

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my2keh:

damn, only 536 GB's free!

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my2keh:

what to do

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my2keh:

hehe

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daMaestro:

TUplink_, i'm not seeing any matches

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TUplink_:

oading "installonlyn" plugin

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TUplink_:

No Matches found

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TUplink_:

me either

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TUplink_:

maybe install qt?

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daMaestro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . _Fedora_Core ?? is this what you are following?

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TUplink_:

no.....

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TUplink_:

trying to build the plugins

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daMaestro:

TUplink_, yum install qt-devel

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TUplink_:

thats what im doing

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daMaestro:

ok.. it took me a while to find it

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TUplink_:

i may take and jsut install from svn

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TUplink_:

install it all from there

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daMaestro:

and i'm going to go bitch about yum

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daMaestro:

qmake is in qt-devel... but whatever

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TUplink_:

yea i found it b4 you :P

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TUplink_:

yum is nice but has its down falls

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daMaestro:

TUplink_, yum provides \*/qmake

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TUplink_:

what does provides do?

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daMaestro:

searches file lists

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daMaestro:

err.. provides lists*

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TUplink_:

i instaled it and it didnt install qmake

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daMaestro:

rpm -ql qt-devel

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daMaestro:

it did

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TUplink_:

whereis qmake returns nothing

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daMaestro:

that just means it's not in your $PATH

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TUplink_:

but i see /usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin/qmake i will symlinl

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TUplink_:

ok... now g++ isnt there

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TUplink_:

gcc-c++

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TUplink_:

errrr i hate building programs

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TUplink_:

one error after another

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stormy:

mintee_: can you login to your labs.zap2it.com account and verify for me that your linups are still there?

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my2keh:

zap2it is having DB problems

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TUplink_:

when trying to configure mythtv it tells me i dont have lame instaled...... yet mythtv is curently instaled and working

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daMaestro:

you need lame-devel

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daMaestro:

?

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TUplink_:

ok it wasnt instaled downloading

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TUplink_:

:P

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my2keh:

which commericial skip method do you guys use?

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TUplink_:

um... what is lqt-mt

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pembo13_com:

my2keh: thanks... i'll trust your opinion

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TUplink_:

errrr im stumped

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TUplink_:

/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt

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TUplink_:

someone said somthing about getting SPECS from atrpms to build myht what was that about ?

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razzam21:

i am having a problem with a few of my channels being jumpy (heads bounce all over the place when on a normal channel they wouldn't)

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razzam21:

i have tired it on my regular tv and channels come through clear

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razzam21:

can any one help me with this

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razzam21:

i have looked all over with no luck

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razzam21:

as my sound and video are in sync it is just that the video (on only a few of my channels[some i watch all the time]) is jumpy

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razzam21:

i am having a problem with a few of my channels being jumpy (heads bounce all over the place when on a normal channel they wouldn't)

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razzam21:

i have tired it on my regular tv and channels come through clear

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razzam21:

can any one help me with this

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Madhatter349:

hey

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Madhatter349:

r there any sample databases i could connect to , to test

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GreyFoxx:

ummm test what ?

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Madhatter349:

just see how it works lol

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GreyFoxx:

well, if you are installing myth then installing the database isn't exactly a big hurdle to actually use it :)

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Madhatter349:

k

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razzam21:

i am having a problem with a few of my channels being jumpy (heads bounce all over the place when on a normal channel they wouldn't)

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razzam21:

i have tired it on my regular tv and channels come through clear

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razzam21:

can any one help me with this

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Madhatter349:

anybody ever here of using mythtv threw like vmware

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Madhatter349:

im trying to get it but i cant

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kormoc:

madfactor, vmware doesn't allow hardware access to pci cards and the like, so it won't work very well with typical cards

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

You can certinaly run it, and run the frontend for playback

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GreyFoxx:

but it wont be a snappy performer

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Madhatter349:

k

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Madhatter349:

k

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Madhatter349:

like i guess the only way to use mythtv then would switch over to linux

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kormoc:

that's how it was designed, aye

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Madhatter349:

lol

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Madhatter349:

i cant find a windows alternative

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Madhatter349:

i dislike mediaportal

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stormy:

Madhatter349: why not try linux? :)

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stormy:

Linux is great if you're a power user and willing to learn

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Madhatter349:

ive used it

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Madhatter349:

just windows is no hassle for me

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stormy:

you're not making sense to me

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Madhatter349:

maybe ill find a old pc and set it up as a backend

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** kormoc bites his tounge **

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Madhatter349:

i dont even have a good tv card its only a wintv go

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razzam21:

i am having a problem with a few of my channels being jumpy (heads bounce all over the place when on a normal channel they wouldn't)

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razzam21:

i have tired it on my regular tv and channels come through clear

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razzam21:

can any one help me with this

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geek:

my mythtv is in black and white

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geek:

does anyone know why?

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geek:

does mythtv have problems with ati cards?

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geek:

i have the ati x800 XL

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geek:

anyone here?

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razzam21:

i am using an ati x300

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razzam21:

and it works great

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dr_willis:

my ati x200 – sort of works. :) heh

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mirov:

Hi folks. I've got a mythtv setup running on an old 800MHz P3 system. Works fine, except when I enable closed captions (then it drops frames). Is there something I can do to have CC not use so much CPU (or fix my problem ?)

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my2keh:

anyone's mythfrontend consume like 50% and the backend consume 90%?

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my2keh:

on a dual core? that make sense?

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my2keh:

not watching HDTV

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razzam21:

mine doesn't

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my2keh:

hmmmm

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razzam21:

smooth as a baby's behind

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razzam21:

i have 4 tuners on a dual core with 2 gigs of ram

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my2keh:

i have 2 tuners on a dual core with 2 gigs too

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my2keh:

do you use LVM?

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razzam21:

i did in my last setup but not this time

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razzam21:

i couldn't figure it out on ubuntu, i used fedora last time

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my2keh:

i just started using it now

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my2keh:

hmmm

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razzam21:

loved it last time

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razzam21:

ran smooth there without a dual core

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razzam21:

i just upgraded

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my2keh:

but that wouldn't increase my CPU though i don't think

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razzam21:

it didn't on mine

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razzam21:

but i am not an expert

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my2keh:

buuttt I didn't have DMA enabled on one drive hmmm

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razzam21:

i am having a problem with a few of my channels being jumpy (heads bounce all over the place when on a normal channel they wouldn't)

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razzam21:

i have tired it on my regular tv and channels come through clear

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razzam21:

can any one help me with this

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robbins876:

So yesterday I was trying to enable internet connection sharing on my box but i messed some things up and now nothing can connect to me (other computers, mythfrontend, etc.) Anyone willing to help shed some light on this problem?

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razzam21:

i am of little help since the last time my network died i ended up reinstalling the whole os

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robbins876:

wow...any idea how to edit my ip tables?

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my2keh:

wierd, this 1 hour show is 4.7 GB's! LOL

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my2keh:

that's a little big

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my2keh:

heh

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razzam21:

sounds like HDTV

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Dagmar:

Yep

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my2keh:

but it's not

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Dagmar:

I'm thinkin' either digital feed or lamegrabber

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my2keh:

butt I was losing satelitte signal through the end

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my2keh:

it's really choppy

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my2keh:

wierdd

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wireddd:

what?

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wireddd:

oh

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my2keh:

oh hhaa

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my2keh:

not you

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my2keh:

heh

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Chicory:

I wonder if Zap2It has stopped accepting new lineups.

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Chicory:

Because, er, mine was deleted and now I can't seem to add it. Is this after they claimed to have fixed it server-side?

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Dagmar:

Server is probably still sitting in bed with a thermometer in it's mouth.

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Dagmar:

Be gentle

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Chicory:

Oh, I see.

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Chicory:

Poor bebe sever. ;_;

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Chicory:

Er, I also seem incapable of running xmltv-gui from the CLI.

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Chicory:

*xmltv

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justdave:

Chicory: there was a post on the users list a while ago with a copy of a forum post on the zap2it forums from one of their techs saying your lineups aren't deleted and it's just a database error.

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justdave:

it should all be back as soon as they get the database fixed.

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Chicory:

Good!

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Chicory:

But it is a little worrisome that apparently xmltv isn't recognized as a command in the CLI of Ubuntu 7.04. o_o

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razzam21:

i am having a problem with a few of my channels being jumpy (heads bounce all over the place when on a normal channel they wouldn't)

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razzam21:

i have tired it on my regular tv and channels come through clear

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razzam21:

can any one help me with this

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justdave:

xmltv is the name of the package

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justdave:

the actual command line tools have different names.

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justdave:

most start with tv_

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justdave:

tv_<tab><tab> should be useful if you use bash

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Chicory:

Oh?

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Chicory:

Sorry about the confusion there then.

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justdave:

/usr/share/doc/xmltv should have some useful reading material

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geek_pclos:

Are the Ati x series and pvr 150 cards compatible?

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TUplink_:

this is driving me crazy

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TUplink_:

how do i get the music tab on mythweb

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TUplink_:

i jsut instaled from svn

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TUplink_:

n/m i got it you actuly have to add some music to the database

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TUplink_:

:P

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razzam21:

lol

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TUplink_:

is there a chanel for apache?

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TUplink_:

hum....

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TUplink_:

but im baned from apache :( no idea why

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wireddd:

this is the menu I finally came up with for seeing all my recordings http://tinyurl.com/2ug7md

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wireddd:

in a kicker applet

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tank-man:

you watch colbert report but not jon stewart?

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razzam21:

i am having a problem with a few of my channels being jumpy (heads bounce all over the place when on a normal channel they wouldn't)

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razzam21:

i have tired it on my regular tv and channels come through clear

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razzam21:

can any one help me with this

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wireddd:

tank-man: I have it on my tivo

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mchou:

wireddd: what kde theme is that?

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wireddd:

its a custom theme

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thostr:

hey folks

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thostr:

hm strange problem here after installing knoppmyth 51f1 on a new htpc as a frontend (old frontend was an xbox running xebian, no issues here); I'm only able to change between 3 channels in live tv (have 30 channels)

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thostr:

all recordings etc. work normally

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thostr:

ny ideas?

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tank-man:

what are the 3 channels you can watch?

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wireddd:

is there a way to add video streams as channels in myth?

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tank-man:

video streams from wheree?

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wireddd:

where ever, like mms:/blah.com/somestream

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thostr:

wireddd: use democracy player for taht

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thostr:

tank: the three channels are three correct channels from my channel list, epg info etc. is being shown correctly

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thostr:

just cannot change between other channels than these 3, heh

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wireddd:

thostr: so no

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thostr:

wireddd: yes, no

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wireddd:

that would be a cool feature you add though

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wireddd:

err to add

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thostr:

democracy player has decent integration with mythtv

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wireddd:

yeah i'm sure you can launch it from within the myth frontend, but that is not really integration

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thostr:

it is integration, but not deep that's true ;-)

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wireddd:

I wish I had some time to add support for adding url streams as video sources in the backend

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tank-man:

doesnt mplayer play video streams?

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thostr:

it does

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Dagmar:

It does

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thostr:

xine also I guess

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wireddd:

yeah they all do

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wireddd:

the support is not all that great though

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wireddd:

mplayer seems to have some of the best imo

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thostr:

hm when I change into epg view from live tv, the darned thing displays an channel listing briefly and then mythfrontend dies without a whisper

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Dagmar:

Hooray for you

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Dagmar:

For many of us it just hard locks the whole machine

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thostr:

heh

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Dagmar:

UPgrade to 0.20-fixes

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Dagmar:

It fixes that _paricular_ crash bug

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thostr:

running a two week old 0.20 subversion checkout

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thostr:

ah ok! will the server need upgrading also? protocol version changes etc

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thostr:

I would have liked a more stable protocol between the frontend and server, seems I need to update both my server and frontends every time there has been a change to the frontend

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thostr:

I'll stop whining tho'. thanks for the suggestion!

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hads:

That depends.

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hads:

The protocol isn't changed that often e.g. it's only at version 34 or something

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wireddd:

who was asking about which theme I was using?

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wireddd:

because I can give it to you if you want it

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thostr:

anyone here using digital + analog sound output?

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k-man_:

can I use the bundled MCE keyboard and remote with mythtv/linux?

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k-man_:

http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/index.php?redir . . . ory_id]=1227

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k-man_:

like that one?

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thostr:

keyboard is just a keyboard so no problemo

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thostr:

remote control; check with lirc hwcl

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thostr:

think all MCE remotes are supported

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xris:

thostr: actually, not all keyboards are "just keyboards"

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xris:

k-man_: that keyboard will work if you use the correct driver. Talk to kormoc tomorrow when he's online. he has a working version of the driver.

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xris:

thostr: that "keyboard" is actually a remote... doesn't work in the bios, doesn't even work in XP.

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xris:

otoh, it's an awesome keyboard for media center stuff like mythtv.. and works great with the proper driver.

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thostr:

ok sorry

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k-man_:

xris, yeah... i think it will work as remote through lirc

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k-man_:

right

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k-man_:

well, i like the sound of the bundle

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thostr:

i have a media centre keyboard from microsoft myself, did not look close enough...

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k-man_:

so I'm going to get it

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xris:

k-man_: the remote (and remote buttons on the kb) work fine through lirc. getting the keyboard and mouse to work are a little trickier. but kormoc has a working kernel driver for it (and I think all of his patches were accepted upstream).

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k-man_:

seems like their hardware isn't too bad

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k-man_:

xris, cool

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xris:

thostr: this particular keyboard is weird. like I said, it doesn't even work in xp.

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k-man_:

xris, yeah.. they say that on the page, that it will only work with mce

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thostr:

sounds like a keyboard I don't want to own

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xris:

remote is the best one I know of for myth, though.

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k-man_:

which is kinda crap... but i don't care as i have neither xp nor mce

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xris:

thostr: once it works, it's great. IR, but better reception than any RF keyboard I've ever used.

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k-man_:

xris, yeah.. i was reading up on it

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xris:

same with the remote.

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k-man_:

and it looks as though there are lots of people with them

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k-man_:

and fairly standard configs on the wiki

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xris:

yup. I have the remote.

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xris:

not that I use it (too lazy), but it works well.

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k-man_:

xris, cool...

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k-man_:

what do you use then?

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xris:

wireless logitech keyboard

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k-man_:

oh

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k-man_:

ok

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k-man_:

i have a wired keyboard – but its too far away to use from the couch

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k-man_:

cable is too short

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k-man_:

i really need a keyboard I can use from the couch for the odd occasion that myth crashes or something

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xris:

that ms one has a range of about 40 feet

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k-man_:

that should be fine for me

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xris:

it's more than most RF stuff

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thostr:

I need a kb with integrated pointer that works

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thostr:

been looking at this model: http://www.btc.com.tw/english/2-7-21keyboard.htm but I'm not totally convinced

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Dagmar:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823330003

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Dagmar:

Works fine

[07:24:29]

Dagmar:

If you Google around, you'll find multiple reports that the model you were looking at has a problem dealing with people who type >30wpm

[07:24:46]

Dagmar:

The handles are cool, but the bad reviews are not

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thostr:

thanks for the link

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thostr:

the BTC has some rave reviews, and then some luke warm...

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thostr:

u use the Scorpius?

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croppa:

I use this wireless keyboard and find it very good http://www.shopbot.com.au/p-29049.html

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thostr:

I loathe touch pads :-)

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thostr:

horses for courses, I guess

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thostr:

the iOne looks really nice

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thostr:

not available in Norway tho

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thostr:

guess I can live without the norwegian keyboard layout

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TUplink_:

how do i let a frontend to allow remote control?

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Captain_Murdoch:

you mean via the telnet-style interface?

[08:12:40]

Trentster:

Hey all, when using myth with a hdtv and using dvi out to hdmi, do you allways have to specify custom modelines?

[08:13:31]

TUplink_:

um.... threw mythweb

[08:14:17]

TUplink_:

Trentster i cant get my fes above like 800byXXX

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TUplink_:

res*

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Trentster:

TUplink_, u using hdtv via hdmi?

[08:15:33]

TUplink_:

yup..... DVI to HDMI

[08:16:22]

** stuarta thinks none of that is making sense **

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TUplink_:

its actuly 720x480

[08:17:22]

TUplink_:

what res is yours... mine isnt wide screen

[08:17:33]

TUplink_:

4:3

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Captain_Murdoch:

TUplink_: Mythweb is using the "Network Control" aka telnet interface to mythfrontend. you need to enable this in the mythfrontend setup. I think I put it under the general section of the setup. it defaults to off.

[08:19:46]

TUplink_:

do you have to restart mythfrontend?

[08:21:10]

TUplink_:

and i have anothe question... i have a DVD rip going..... if i restart frontend will it kill the rip?

[08:22:11]

TUplink_:

i enabled it...... and it says its not responding in mythweb

[08:22:34]

Trentster:

TUplink_, I can get 1360x768 using vga , but dvi to hdmi seems to be problematic.

[08:22:36]

subx:

what kind of swap space should i give a mythtv box? i was thinking about doing /swap 5gig ?

[08:23:05]

TUplink_:

1360x768 is wide screen

[08:23:05]

Speedy2:

Trentster: Could be faulty EDID detection

[08:23:13]

Speedy2:

subx: How much RAM does your system have?

[08:23:19]

subx:

Speedy2: 1gig

[08:23:39]

Speedy2:

shit

[08:23:47]

Speedy2:

Is your system going to be doing anything else other than myth?

[08:24:07]

Trentster:

Speedy2, I noticed it probed information when i installed under vga, and not when i installed under dvi...

[08:24:20]

TUplink_:

hum....

[08:24:20]

Speedy2:

Trentster: What kind of video card?

[08:24:27]

Speedy2:

Trentster: What is the native resolution of your display device?

[08:24:31]

TUplink_:

so its an X prob?

[08:24:39]

subx:

yes, im going to install zoneminder, postfix, vsftpd, bind, but will only be used on LAN light load

[08:25:04]

TUplink_:

what is zoneminder?

[08:25:11]

Trentster:

Speedy2, I am using a NV 7300GS and the native of my device is 1360 x 768

[08:25:14]

subx:

linux CCTV software

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Speedy2:

subx: I think 256 MBytes of swap should be fine.

[08:25:30]

subx:

is that all?

[08:25:43]

Speedy2:

Trentster: There are options in the nVidia configuration like "ignore EDID" which you might want to try.

[08:25:43]

subx:

ill move it down to 1gig!

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TUplink_:

i made my swap 2 gb... dont think i have ever touched 1 bit of it

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subx:

should the swap be the same size of ram?

[08:26:05]

TUplink_:

1.5GB ram

[08:26:18]

TUplink_:

in wondows general rule is 1.5times

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subx:

ok

[08:26:46]

Trentster:

Speedy2, will I still need to generate custom modelines for my display using a utility like powerstrip..

[08:26:53]

Speedy2:

I use 128 MBytes on my Windows box with 1 GB of RAM

[08:26:55]

Speedy2:

Never had an issue

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subx:

ok

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TUplink_:

start editing videos..... you will

[08:27:22]

Speedy2:

Trentster: There are plenty of utilities, you can try nvidia's own xconfiguration tool

[08:27:28]

Speedy2:

Trentster: I think it's nvidia-xconfig

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TUplink_:

WARNING: Unable to find CorePointer in X configuration; attempting to add new

[08:28:04]

TUplink_:

CorePointer section.

[08:28:11]

Trentster:

Speedy2, I am also battling to understand the 720p. 1080i settings, should one try to get one of these working instead of the native res of the tv?

[08:28:12]

TUplink_:

i have a nvidia card

[08:28:30]

TUplink_:

p progresive i interlace

[08:28:39]

TUplink_:

think p is beter tha i

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Trentster:

yes p is definately better, but it also depends on the broadcast...

[08:29:01]

TUplink_:

i only updates everyother lin each time progresive does changed pixles each time

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Speedy2:

Trentster: Use native resolution of your display device.

[08:29:51]

Speedy2:

Trentster: If your display is only 720p then video will have to be de-interlaced (i) or scaled down (1080)

[08:30:48]

Trentster:

Speedy2, I dont know why I am battling with understanding the res, hz issues......

[08:31:07]

Speedy2:

Trentster: Because you're using Linux (for better or worse)

[08:31:28]

Trentster:

Speedy2, do i need to set up a xorg resolution and modeline for any type of nraodcast i am receiving , ie SD res, HD res etc etc

[08:32:12]

Speedy2:

Trentster: No. You should setup one resolution and expect the software (myth) to downscale or up-scale or de-interlace your video.

[08:34:00]

Trentster:

Speedy2, thanks, ok so if I have my native res working with a modeline in xorg under VGA out to VGA in on the tv, and then I change to DVI to HDMI and it no longer works...then you think its as simple as including " "ignore EDID" in xorg.conf?

[08:36:40]

Speedy2:

Trentster: Very possible!

[08:36:56]

Speedy2:

Trentster: You'll have to jack with modelines. Or use nvidia-xconfig to try and generate it for you (prefered)

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subx:

does mythtv store its mysql in the / root partition? so after time it will grow?

[08:38:10]

subx:

*database

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Trentster:

Speedy2, lol...I cant say this is one of the most enjoyable things ive ever had to do <grin> I think I need to bring in a modeline consultant.....

[08:40:23]

Speedy2:

Trentster: Dude, use nvidia-xconfig.

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Trentster:

Speedy2, it sounds to good to be true, I have never seen a mention of it, even the Jarod Wilson howto tells you to put another hard-drive in the machine and then load windows and then use powerstrip.......I am praying that nvidia-xconfig does it

[08:44:22]

Tanthrix_AFK:

Really it depends on the TV.

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[08:44:57]

Tanthrix:

Lots of 720P sets are really 1366x768, a resolution that the EDID cannot properly convey to the graphics card, so it's hell to get them working right.

[08:45:06]

Trentster:

Tanthrix, was that for me?

[08:45:09]

Tanthrix:

Where as 1080P sets will often work out of the box without any trouble.

[08:45:17]

Tanthrix:

Trentster: Aye.

[08:45:58]

Trentster:

Tanthrix, unfortunately my set says it does only 1080i and 720p

[08:46:02]

Speedy2:

Trentster: no praying. Just use your tools.

[08:46:21]

Tanthrix:

Trentster: LCD / Plasma or CRT?

[08:46:22]

Trentster:

Speedy2, lol

[08:46:29]

Trentster:

Tanthrix, LCD

[08:46:45]

Tanthrix:

Then it has a native resolution of some kind, and all other inputs are scaled by the TV.

[08:47:16]

Trentster:

Tanthrix, yeah it has a native of 1365X768

[08:47:28]

Dagmar:

Good luck making the modeline for that

[08:47:39]

Tanthrix:

Hence the troubles, and probably why nvidia-xconfig won't work.

[08:47:47]

Trentster:

actaully its 1360x768

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Dagmar:

If it's vertical resolution is only 768 pixels, then it doesn't do 1080

[08:49:41]

Trentster:

I am looking in the manual, and it has a supported input signal timing table, and gives hor and vert frequency and dot clock for 1920 x 1080i/25

[08:49:44]

Tanthrix:

Trentster: Are you sure about that? In that case, the EDID should work since 1360 is divisible by 8

[08:49:56]

Trentster:

i assume the /25 means pal at 25fps.....?

[08:50:24]

Tanthrix:

Trentster: That just means it can support that signal and downscale/deinterlace it. You still are almost always better off giving the set its native signal, and letting the computer do the stretching.

[08:50:43]

subx:

would mythtv benefit from partitioning a place for where the myth database is held?

[08:51:10]

juski:

subx: so long as you never let / get full you'll be fine

[08:51:20]

subx:

ok

[08:51:42]

Tanthrix:

subx: To answer your question, myth stores it database settings wherever mysql is set to store database info. It's probably in /var – db tend to be small ish (x<100mb), so unless you're really pressed for space it shouldn't be an issue.

[08:51:46]

juski:

if it _does_ ever get full though, you're likely gonna need to restore a backup in my experience

[08:52:35]

Dagmar:

Full /var == *b3Wm*

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Trentster:

Tanthrix, to be specific the manual says the "native resolution is 1366 x 768, but in the resolution table it lists 1360 x 768 as the highest.....

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Dagmar:

My db isn't that spectacular and it's outgrown the 256Mb partition I put it in

[08:53:20]

Dagmar:

I'm recommending people use 512Mb-1Gb for /var/lib/mysql

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Trentster:

Tanthrix, yeah it is working in native resolution if i use vga to vga, its just not working dvi to hdmi.

[08:53:49]

Tanthrix:

Trentster: That's what I thought. The reason they say that is because the EDID cannot properly work with 1366.

[08:53:52]

hads:

If you want a seperate /var I don't bother

[08:54:12]

Trentster:

Tanthrix, hmmm, so is that a very bad thing for me then>?

[08:54:13]

juski:

I'd honestly recommend people don't limit the partition the database lives on, juuuuust in case

[08:54:23]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Really? I take it back then. I've been running for a few years now and I'm at like 60mb

[08:54:45]

juski:

212MB here

[08:55:09]

juski:

if you never clear out your previously recorded list it can get big

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hads:

113MB here

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Tanthrix:

Trentster: I would recommend ignoring the manual – they often don't list proper modes. I think the manual for my Aquos says 1280x1024 is the max res for my 1080P set

[08:56:44]

Trentster:

Tanthrix, thanks, then in your opinion how would you reccomend I go about sorting it out, should i start with trying to force edid on in xorg.conf, and then try nvidia-settings, then powerstrip???

[08:56:47]

Tanthrix:

Trentster: Basically though, your goal is to make 1366x768 work. From what I hear, powerstrip is the way to go, but if you check the nvidia forums there are a lot of people with that problem, so you might find some help there. If you can't make it work, then just start playing around with it until you find something that looks good.

[08:57:01]

Trentster:

I kinda feel like I am up the creek with no paddles and a leaking canoe...

[08:57:24]

Tanthrix:

Trentster: I don't have much experience with the problem, so as far as specifics I can't help much. I'm just going on what I read up on when I was TV shopping.

[08:58:01]

Speedy2:

Trentster: It's just a computer, it isn't going to rip you apart or anything. You won't damage any hardware. Just use the right tools, generate your modeline and get it working.

[08:58:02]

Trentster:

Tanthrix, but what I dont understand is why if it works with vga out does it nor work with dvi to hdmi?

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Tanthrix:

Trentster: They are inherently different means of transmitting video. The problem with DVI/HDMI is that it relies on the EDID, and when the EDID doesn't work, you have to monkey with it.

[08:59:39]

Trentster:

Speedy2, grin – thanks....its more the wasted hours im trying to avoid

[09:00:22]

Trentster:

Tanthrix, i have this option set in xorg,,,,could it be the problem? " Option "UseEdidDpi" "FALSE""

[09:02:03]

Tanthrix:

Trentster: Go here, http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay. . . . p;forumid=14 make an account, and search for "1366x768"

[09:02:39]

Tanthrix:

I know that the UseEdidDpi thing is one of many possible things necessary to make that resolution work properly, but that's all, so I'm afraid I'm of no help

[09:02:52]

Trentster:

Tanthrix, thanks mate, really appreciate the help

[09:03:04]

Tanthrix:

Fat lot of good it is ;)

[09:03:16]

Tanthrix:

Out of curioisity, what TV do you have?

[09:06:05]

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[09:06:06]

Trentster:

Tanthrix, its a Benq VA321

[09:06:30]

Trentster:

Tanthrix, quite popular in australia

[09:07:13]

Tanthrix:

No modelines that I can find via google. But you might go here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Modeline_Database and try some of the modelines for other 1366x768 sets

[09:08:50]

Trentster:

Tanthrix, thanks, I have been there, jsut a bit worried about frying the Tv , everywhere the sites give warnings about damage...etc

[09:09:13]

juski:

it's very unlikely you'd ever damage a digital flat panel with a duff modeline

[09:09:17]

juski:

VERY unlikely

[09:09:29]

Tanthrix:

Hehe, yah, I understand. I'm very protective of my baby, but I've never, not ever heard of someone frying a monitor despite all the warnings that have been going around about bad monitor settings.

[09:09:50]

juski:

it was only ever really applicable to CRT displays which drove the screen electronics directly from the VGA input

[09:09:56]

Tanthrix:

I think it's just a throwback from the good ole' days when monitors didn't have proper protection

[09:10:24]

juski:

not since multisync monitors became commonplace has it been an issue, I'll bet

[09:10:36]

Tanthrix:

No modern monitor should allow itself to go past its usable settings. It'd be like a toaster that bursts into flames if you turn the temperature up too much.

[09:11:05]

juski:

modern displays sample the input frequency & if it's beyond what it can display it just refuses

[09:11:21]

juski:

'no signal' 'out of range' etc :)

[09:12:32]

juski:

it's a good get-out for a site – stops the author getting sued :-P

[09:13:12]

Tanthrix:

Or maybe an ego stroke for not-enough-sun geeks (like myself!) who want to feel like they're living dangerously ;)

[09:14:07]

juski:

not-enough-sun geeks I can tolerate happily. it's those damn not-enough-soap geeks I detest

[09:14:18]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[09:14:31]

Tanthrix:

I'm Italian-ish, so luckily I don't get too white

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TUplink_:

does anyone have a xorg.conf for a nvidia with DVI to HDMI out

[09:22:20]

TUplink_:

i cant seem to get it to work :(

[09:25:26]

rooaus:

TUplink_: http://pastebin.ca/612292 works for me

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Trentster:

TUplink_, join the club

[09:26:10]

TUplink_:

ill test it... i have crapy res and cant seem to get it to take anything else :(

[09:26:17]

Tanthrix:

Lesson of the evening: If you're shopping for a TV, get a native 1080P or 720P set.

[09:26:43]

TUplink_:

um... i think i have native.... but its just stuck on that res

[09:26:44]

hads:

I've seen very few

[09:26:52]

TUplink_:

wont go anywhere

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TUplink_:

brb gunna kill x

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Tanthrix:

hads: Native 720P is difficult, but 1080P is getting to be much more common. I can get a 42 inch 1080P Magnavox from costco.com for 999. And they have the 37 inch Westy for 799

[09:28:10]

hads:

Tanthrix: I'm guessing the range is better whereever you are :)

[09:28:37]

Tanthrix:

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Pro . . . Magnavox42in <--A damn good deal, assuming it's not a terrible set.

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TUplink_:

what was that pastebin link again

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juski:

pastebin.ca probably

[09:30:05]

TUplink_:

no the one that was juat pasted to me

[09:30:09]

Tanthrix:

My return policy expires on my Aquos in a few days. Think I've decided to keep it, despite the slight banding issue.

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rooaus:

TUplink_: Try starting X with 'startx — -verbose 6', it will log why it has rejected your video mode. The link was http://pastebin.ca/612292

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juski:

rooaus> TUplink_: http://pastebin.ca/612292

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Tanthrix:

Bed time, later folks.

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TUplink_:

it started... jsut wrong screens...

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TUplink_:

brb

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TUplink_:

ok.... im going to download the driver and manualy install ti

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TUplink_:

where do i download the nvidia drivers?

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juski:

better to use a package if your distro has one, surely?

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TUplink_:

honestly i thin thats the prob

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TUplink_:

no mater what res i put in the xorg it always comes up as this crapy one

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juski:

so let's think about this.. you want the nvidia driver for your nvidia card.. which website would you go to for a nvidia driver for a nvidia product? hmmmm

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TUplink_:

i already have it...

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TUplink_:

didnt know they would have it on their site

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TUplink_:

sorry

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rooaus:

TUplink_: Sounds like it might be rejecting your modeline and falling back to a "failsafe". If the display you are connecting to supports EDID starting -verbose 6 should log the modelines that the display supports into the log file.

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TUplink_:

ok... this nvidia thing is whooping my rump

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rooaus:

TUplink_: Sounds like it might be rejecting your modeline and falling back to a "failsafe". If the display you are connecting to supports EDID starting -verbose 6 should log the modelines that the display supports into the log file. (reposted)

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juski:

a repeated hit with the cluebat.. good move roo ;)

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TUplink_:

i took modlines out of the config

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rooaus:

:)

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rooaus:

TUplink_: I had to try many variations of the modeline that is in the xorg.conf I posted and read the logs to get that 1280x720p@50 timing just right.

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TUplink_:

see i just dont understand the modlinesthing...... this tv worked great in winblowd

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TUplink_:

brb gunna try this

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rooaus:

Even though you don't have a modeline in the xorg.conf the driver will be using a specific timing.

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TUplink_:

ok........ so lets start over....

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TUplink_:

maybe i can pastebin what i have and you have a look at it

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TUplink_:

http://pastebin.ca/612326

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TUplink_:

brb

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juski:

still logging in as root. dafty

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TUplink_:

ok im back

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TUplink_:

sorry it took so long

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juski:

just overheard a guy at work telling somebody you need to re-gas a plasma every 10 years. bollocks

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juski:

TUplink_: you're logged in as root again

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TUplink_:

yea

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TUplink_:

did init 3

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TUplink_:

then started x

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juski:

you shouldn't log into irc as root

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TUplink_:

oh well

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TUplink_:

i know

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juski:

irc clients are vulnerable ;)

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TUplink_:

bad bad bad

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TUplink_:

think you can help me tho

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juski:

I used to bypass sudo & login as root to do everything. soon learned my lesson

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TUplink_:

i usualy dont

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juski:

I'm not good with modelines & all that shite

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TUplink_:

i use sudo

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juski:

when I get HD, maybe then

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TUplink_:

well when i uncoment the modeline it wont load

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TUplink_:

at all

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TUplink_:

says somthing about not available here

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juski:

have you done as rooaus suggested yet?

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juski:

he looks like he knows what he's talking about so I'd follow his every word if I were you

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TUplink_:

what is that?

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TUplink_:

rooaus can you help

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TUplink_:

im done trying what i belived may fix i

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TUplink_:

t

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TUplink_:

why cant there jsut be a nice xorg config file

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TUplink_:

well program

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juski:

TUplink_: you've not seen his repeatedly saying start x with verbose logging enabled & all that?

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TUplink_:

well how do i do that.?

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juski:

10:46 < rooaus> TUplink_: Sounds like it might be rejecting your modeline and falling back to a "failsafe". If the display you are connecting to supports EDID starting -verbose 6 should log the modelines that the display supports into the log file.

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TUplink_:

then how do i get the output to you all

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juski:

startx -verbose

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TUplink_:

and that puts it in the shell that i cant see

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juski:

it should put everything in the Xorg.log

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TUplink_:

ok... then where do i put the modelines?

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juski:

what fucking modelines?

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TUplink_:

dont you have to put them in the xorg.conf?

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juski:

rooaus has said you could try starting x with -verbose & if your display supports EDID it will print which modes it supports in the X log

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juski:

that way you will find out a) if the modes you are trying are supported or b) if your display is lying about the modes it supports

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juski:

people are trying to help you if you'll only LISTEN

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TUplink_:

ok....

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TUplink_:

but i dont understand it....

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TUplink_:

met me give it a whirl

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TUplink_:

ill try

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juski:

just TRY what people suggest ffs

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TUplink_:

ill probably break it

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juski:

another one for my list. sod him

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juski:

boils my pee when folks try to help yet they continue to blunder around on their own

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Trentster:

<grin> some people dont realize how precious it is to get decent help from someone on irc who is willing to help....just take it for granted...

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rooaus:

Has he gone again, I just had tea? I know X can be frustrating, that modeline I used took two days of f'ing around, the log file helped a lot.

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TUplink_:

ok..... i got the log

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juski:

he'll give up & go back to windows soon

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rooaus:

TUplink_: How did you go? Can you hook a winblows box to the display?

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TUplink_:

um...... no

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TUplink_:

maybe if i put windows on the laptop

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TUplink_:

i got the log

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TUplink_:

its just taking forever to pastebin it

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juski:

hell you can even use powerstrip to extract a modeline which'll definitely work

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rooaus:

OK, was going to suggest you try powerstrip, it will let you play with different video timings.

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rooaus:

juski: snap :)

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TUplink_:

huh

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gpd:

my backend seems to crash – any obvious things to check? or should I just run monit and restart it :(

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TUplink_:

ok......

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juski:

gpd: better to find the cause & cure it. look in the log

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gpd:

the log reports memory corruption – only happens every few days

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TUplink_:

http://pastebin.ca/612366 is the inportant part i think

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juski:

paste the bloody lot man. pastebin can afford it

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rooaus:

TUplink_: ok, will have a look

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juski:

no point filtering what you think is relevant. stuff gets missed that way

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TUplink_:

um.... tryed to put the whole thing there pastebin hangs

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TUplink_:

that is the edid stuff for the CRT

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TUplink_:

its stuck on the 720x480 one

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TUplink_:

great

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TUplink_:

Sorry, your request has been denied due to abuse from your address (or because of a shared proxy which was abused, and I apologize for being wrong about that). Access will be permitted in 45 mins. thats from pastebin

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rooaus:

TUplink_: Do you have an ISP web account you can put it on? There should be some intersting stuff in the mode pool and mode validation sections IIRC

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TUplink_:

give me a sec

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rooaus:

TUplink_: if not look at the mode validation, it should run the pool and gives reasons why it discarded the mode.

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TUplink_:

link will be http://www.kak-networks.net/temi.log

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TUplink_:

its up

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rooaus:

ok

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TUplink_:

its showing native is 720x40

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TUplink_:

0

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gpd:

juski: http://pastebin.ca/612371 <-- memory corruption (fast)

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juski:

gpd: that's one for a real dev to look at

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gpd:

yeah – I'm SOL – hence the suggestion of quick fix of monit :(

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gpd:

presumably the backend should be rock solid... ?

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juski:

yeah I find mine is

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gpd:

do you use EIT?

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juski:

aha

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gpd:

that is the only thing that I changed recently

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juski:

you tried running memtest?

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gpd:

not on this memory

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gpd:

probably wise...

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juski:

might be a good idea

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juski:

met somebody on saturday with a similar problem to you – he's just keeping the backend alive by restarting it when it falls over

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gpd:

if it is the memory i'd be better to use badram – but that requires kernel patch iirc

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gpd:

brand new crucial memory however – so RMA other option

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TUplink_:

anything look wierd?

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juski:

there've been some memory leaks fixed recently

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juski:

dunno if the fixed were backported to 0.20 though

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TUplink_:

rooaus coming up with any thing?

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rooaus:

TUplink_: You running this with both displays connected? I would reduce this to one display, when you get a setup that works then worry about the twinview stuff.

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TUplink_:

the tv curently works at a horific res

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TUplink_:

so you saying disconect witch one

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Ruleke:

burn her !

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TUplink_:

what is twinview?

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TUplink_:

i have a question........

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TUplink_:

looking at PowerStrip.. i have a vertual windows that i think i can run in linux.... would that work?

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rooaus:

twinview is nvida's name for "multiple dislpays on one card" malarky. Try starting x with only the display you are trying to sort out now, then repost the log.

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juski:

twinview – output to 2 displays at the same time – dual desktop stylee

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TUplink_:

ok... hold that thought.... going to try to boot vertual windows and see if that will work

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Ruleke:

vertual witch

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TUplink_:

altho it wont....

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Ruleke:

are you from Russia, TUplink_ ?

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TUplink_:

have qemu with a windows install....

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TUplink_:

so

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TUplink_:

no

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TUplink_:

sorry

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Ruleke:

ok just asking

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TUplink_:

spelling sucks

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Ruleke:

US then eh ? :)

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TUplink_:

yea

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TUplink_:

so if idisconect the LCD and leav the TV hooked up startx in verbose....

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TUplink_:

then copy the log somewhere....

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rooaus:

I would try to borrow a laptop or something, not sure how powerstrip would work in vmware etc.

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TUplink_:

then i can hook the other back up and give it to you

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rooaus:

TUplink_: Yeah.

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TUplink_:

ok....

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TUplink_:

be back in a few

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TUplink_:

ok... got the log

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rooaus:

same place?

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TUplink_:

um... not yet

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TUplink_:

ok same place

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rooaus:

ok

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TUplink_:

937 lines

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TUplink_:

i was doing startx — -verbose 5 -logverbose 5

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TUplink_:

thats rite rite

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TUplink_:

or did you say 6

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TUplink_:

or does it matter

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rooaus:

I think you want 6, I think it shows the mode validation. You can even try 10, not sure what the maximum is. Also...

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TUplink_:

...

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rooaus:

If you only have the one monitor connected you can comment out the UseDisplayDevice "DFP" see line 809.

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TUplink_:

ok... i will

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TUplink_:

brb

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Trentster:

Does any version of the nvidia driver support custom modes via dvi to hdmi

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TUplink_:

its on its way.....

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rooaus:

TUplink_: ok

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TUplink_:

ok its there

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rooaus:

Trentster: Yes, usually

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Trentster:

rooaus, thanks

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Trentster:

hey guys, I am also coming up against a wall here, I have got a working custom modeline from powerstrip, but it will not work in X, keeps starting up in 1024 x 768 instead of 1360x768 !! surely if it works in powerstrip it should work in X?

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subx:

ive partitioned my HD with fdisk, now im creating the file systems with mkfs, how can i tell mkfs to make a swap filesystem? ive tried: mkfs -tswp /dev/sdb3 but swp isnt recognized

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Trentster:

subx, mkswap

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Trentster:

subx swapon

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subx:

ok thanks

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TUplink_:

rooaus....... modeline "1920x1080" 74.25 1920 2052 2200 1080 540 547 562 just made it from what i found

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TUplink_:

in the log

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TUplink_:

think ill give it a whirl

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TUplink_:

where do i stick it

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juski:

I could tell you

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TUplink_:

tell who what?

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Ruleke:

lol

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TUplink_:

brb

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Ruleke:

how are you juski ? ;)

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TUplink_:

gunna try it

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Trentster:

juski, rooaus any suggestions?

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TUplink_:

it said somthing about vtotal expected...

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rooaus:

TUplink_: From the log it seems the driver is rejecting your 1920x1080i modes due to vert refresh x 2 issue. When I was setting up my display I used a 720p, maybe ggogle and see if you can find a solution. Maybe ignore edid vert refresh.

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subx:

does this look ok to you: mkswap -v1 /dev/sdb3

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TUplink_:

edid?

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subx:

sdb3 = 2 gig partition i made for the swap

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TUplink_:

oh....

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TUplink_:

vert refresh x 2??????

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rooaus:

TUplink_: times 2, div 2 sometimes because of interlaced vs progressive .

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TUplink_:

it should be i

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rooaus:

TUplink_: Yeah, I think I saw something like this for my TV, figured I would use a progressive mode and let myth do the deinterlacing.

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juski:

I'd not leave the deinterlacing up to the TV personally

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juski:

some hd panels are very good at deinterlacing. most aren't

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rooaus:

My issue was complicated by being PAL, can't get any reasonable resolution at 50Hz over VGA. 60Hz modes lead to stuttering when panning etc. Drove me mad.

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rooaus:

Trentster: You would reckon it would work in Linux if it works in windows. There may be some differences in the drivers I suppose.

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rooaus:

TUplink_: With the timing parameters you got from the log for 1920x1080i 60Hz you should be able to use one of the online modeline calculators to generate a complete modeline. It will probably end with a +interlace I think.

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Trentster:

rooaus, yeah I am busy changing over to newer driver see if that helps

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TUplink_:

74.25 1920 2008 5052 2200 1080 542 547 562

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TUplink_:

is what im getting from subastuting numbers

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TUplink_:

http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/FAQVideoModes

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TUplink_:

gunn try it

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TUplink_:

brb

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TUplink_:

im getting really flusterd at this

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voltagex:

get /dev/null ready, I'm about to complain!

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juski:

TSWGAF :-P

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rooaus:

TUplink_: Readup on the nvidia readme for their binary driver. There are a couple of "canned" modes you probably can use, I think you should read up on tvmode option or similar. Also have a play with http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl

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TUplink_:

echo "THIS TV IS MAKING ME MAD" > /dev/null

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Ruleke:

bad idea, TUplink_

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TUplink_:

hehe... i already had that page

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Ruleke:

try it ;)

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TUplink_:

but it didnt work

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voltagex:

echo "I WISH HDTV DECODING COULD BE OFFLOADED TO MY GPU" > /dev/null

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TUplink_:

what is the CEA-861B Timings

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rooaus:

TUplink_: Took me more than two days to get my modeline, I ended up creating a spreadsheet to solve for my modeline after plugging in some empirical data from working modes. I lost the spreadsheet when I wiped windows from the laptop though.

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Ruleke:

voltagex: join the club

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TUplink_:

the #nvidia chanel has been dead

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GreyFoxx:

voltagex: What kind of video card ?

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GreyFoxx:

And what kind of CPU?

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TUplink_:

where do i find my Horizontal Sync Time

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voltagex:

GreyFoxx: NVidia 8800GTS, Core 2 Duo 6600 (2.4ghz x2)

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Ruleke:

you mean h264 or mpeg2 ?

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voltagex:

mpeg2

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Ruleke:

ah ok

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Ruleke:

h264 here

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rooaus:

TUplink_: See http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . pter-16.html and try "HD1080i" for the tvstandard. It is hard to do much else from here, sorry.

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voltagex:

Ruleke: lucky!

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Ruleke:

no, unlucky

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GreyFoxx:

vold: And that CPU isn't capable of doing it in software?

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Ruleke:

requires more cpu and can't be offloaded at all

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GreyFoxx:

And I'm suprised XvMC wouldn't work with that video card (though I've never used any thing greater than the 6600's)

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TUplink_:

Option "TVStandard" "HD1080i"

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Ruleke:

GreyFoxx: it does for mpeg2 I think

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rooaus:

TUplink_: Yeah, it was added to the driver after I got my xorg.conf working.

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voltagex:

...only 20% cpu usage...where's the bottleneck?!?!

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TUplink_:

hum... do i put it in monotor or screen?

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TUplink_:

ill try it

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TUplink_:

brb

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rooaus:

from the readme: The "TVStandard" option should be added to your screen section

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chandoo:

Hi :)

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chandoo:

Can some one help me with hdtv

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fryfrog:

rooaus: does that change the HDMI port?

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fryfrog:

i've never heard of that

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rooaus:

Don't know, thought it was worth a shot. Saw it mentioned on the nvidia forum I thought, never tried it myself though. :)

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rooaus:

Could be wrong though, actually quite likely.

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TUplink_:

guys... igive up for now.... talk to you later

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rooaus:

fryfrog: I guess we wont know now... oh well.

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rooaus:

For those playing along at home, see Appendix-B of the nvidia driver readme and in particular, Option "ModeValidation" "string", maybe there is an answer there.

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juski:

what?! the relevant info is in the documentation?! ffs what IS the world coming to?!

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Ruleke:

scary

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juski:

saw a tshirt slogan I really liked on saturday – so much so I've put it in my quit message

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juski:

"I'll start being nice when you start acting smart"

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rooaus:

lol

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Ruleke:

juski: I don't understand

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Ruleke:

hehe ;)

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kslater:

pvr x50 question, which is a better input signal s-video + l/r audio in or rg6/59 cable?

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siXy:

s-video

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juski:

svideo

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juski:

svideo >> composite >> RF

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kslater:

that's what I've always figured too, but wanted to double check my assumptions

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fryfrog:

kslater: it also depends on the quality *source* of the svideo/rca/RF

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fryfrog:

crappy analog cable from a cable box over svideo is still crappy

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AndyCap:

but what's in the rg-6 cable?

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juski:

RF

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AndyCap:

aaah.

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juski:

cable cable, antenna cable

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AndyCap:

because people stuff other things over coax as well. :P composite, component, s-video,

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fryfrog:

?

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juski:

you can't put svideo over one rg6 cable :-P

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AndyCap:

well, no, and not component either.

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juski:

nor audio

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juski:

nor stereo audio I mean

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fryfrog:

er, that isn't *quite* true since that information *does* come down the RF cable :p

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siXy:

component can be put over several rg6 cables

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AndyCap:

someone should make a component broadcast standard. :P

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juski:

myyyers

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juski:

I should leave this channel or else I'll go seriously postal

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AndyCap:

umm, I hope doesn't have any weapons nearby

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fryfrog:

that was quick :/

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fryfrog:

and no one was talking about selling his themes either!

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siXy:

or accusing him of skinning ;)

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AndyCap:

whatnow?

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lin_:

i'm having a very tedious problem with mythtv, I've ben using it a long (ish) time,

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lin_:

the scheduled programs to record no longer works

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lin_:

and it no longer records any programs (unless watching it, then pressing 'R')

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lin_:

I tried mysqlcheck -r -umythtv -p mythconverg

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siXy:

lin_: try running the backend in verbose mode and look for output there when you schedule a program to record

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lin_:

ah , good point should of thought of that earlier

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fryfrog:

it might also be a listing problem, are you using datadirect?

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lin_:

no, EPG from freeview

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lin_:

I can see the listings (EPG) clearly when looking at the program guide, it's trying to schedule anything that fails

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lin_:

I'm running mythbackend in verbose now, and give it a go

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lin_:

thanx, will report results later

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lin_:

:)

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fryfrog:

ah

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lin_:

hehe, ok, 2 conclusions, (1) never work when you are sleep deprived

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lin_:

(2) just looked at the logs, pretty simple error "/mythconverg/recordmatch is crashed and should be repaired"

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lin_:

"mysqlcheck --repair -u mythtv -p mythconverg recordmatch" fixed the problem

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lin_:

thanx all

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siXy:

heh nps :)

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siXy:

we didnt really do much

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lin_:

pointing out to look at the logs or verbose mode was help enough (I'm in zombie mode at the momment)

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kslater:

fryfrog – sorry was away chatting on gtalk – the coax cable is coming from a directv sat rx, same as the s-video. Does that change your mind on which would give better quality?

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siXy:

kslater: unless there is a lot of EM interference (mains cables for example) svideo should be a little better, or at least no worse

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fryfrog:

kslater: svideo would be my vote too

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fryfrog:

removing the tuner of the PVR x50 from the equation can't hurt :)

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kslater:

good point on the tuner

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kslater:

hadn't thought of that angle

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subx:

this so called 'silent, quiet' hard drive ive just bought is louder than anything ive heard GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[14:14:55]

subx:

'Samsung SpinPoint drive answers all your AV needs with a drive that is so quiet, you won't even know its there.'

[14:15:00]

subx:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php . . . p;subcat=167

[14:15:06]

subx:

what a load of crap

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Massif:

what's the dB rating?

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subx:

am i allowed to send a hard drive back because of the noise? ive written stuff on it now

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subx:

i dont know

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Massif:

You should be allowed to send it back for any reason as long as it's within the return period

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at0m|c:

in EU u can return anything within 7 days afaik

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at0m|c:

ye for any reason

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at0m|c:

dunno about US or others

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subx:

im going to write them a email

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Massif:

most brick and mortar stores give 30 days, dunno about online

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at0m|c:

:)

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subx:

im going to call them 'bastards' and ask them to replace it or else

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Massif:

lol, that should work nicely

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Massif:

you should also tell them you know lots of very good lawyers :P

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snarkster:

howdy howdy

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snarkster:

so i got my mythtv movies machine working.. (no tv capture card so just movies for now). I have configured the xorg.conf fiel to just reference the tv as the video output location but it wont boot if i dont plug a monitor onto the card.. It doesnt use the monitor, but it must have the monitor connected. Is this normal?

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juski:

nope

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snarkster:

juski is that response to me?

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siXy:

snarkster: have a look at the X logs

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Cyberai:

Hi all. I tried asking this on the mythtv-users mailing list, but didn't get any answers. I've also googled this to death with no results. When I use mythtv-setup to configure my input connections and I retrieve listings data all of my channels are there. But once I run mythfilldatabase some of them disappear!

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Cyberai:

can anyone explain this?

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juski:

mythfilldatabase running as a different user to the one you ran mythtv-setup as, most likely

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juski:

different $videosource.xmltv files see

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Cyberai:

hmmm, I did run mythfilldatabase as root

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Cyberai:

would re-running it as the mythtv user repair it?

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juski:

you should run it as the same user you ran mythtv-setup as, or else copy the .xmltv file from $wherever/.mythtv/

[15:12:41]

Cyberai:

would re-running it as the same user I ran mythtv-setup as fix it?

[15:13:04]

Cyberai:

or should I go in a redo all of the mythtv-setup in order to wipe the database first?

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juski:

what?! when all you need do is copy a .xmltv file from one dir to another?

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Cyberai:

so since I ran mythtv setup as user "mythtv", I should copy ~/.mythtv/.xmltv to the same location in the home dir of root (who I ran mythfilldatabase as)?

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fryfrog:

I hope Bionic Woman is decent

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Cyberai:

so do I, the previews give me hope

[15:17:25]

fryfrog:

i concur!

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fryfrog:

Cyberai: you might keep a copy in a central location (say, /etc/) then use symlinks and put it where ever you want

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fryfrog:

that way you can easily update it for everyone

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juski:

it only needs live in the home dir of the user who runs mythfilldatabase

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Cyberai:

this is a dedicated box, so as long as I know only to run mythfilldatabase as the "mythtv" user then I'm good :)

[15:19:04]

Cyberai:

well, I'm running "mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates" now as the mythtv user, so we shall see in a minute if it fixed it. :)

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Cyberai:

no, dang it

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juski:

just run mythfilldatabase as normal

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Cyberai:

ok, nothing to lose

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Cyberai:

nope, channels are still missing dang it

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snarkster:

is mythweather going to be repaired soon

[16:26:51]

Dagmar:

Search the mailing list archives and find out

[16:26:53]

juski:

when somebody fixes it yeah

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snarkster:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

It's likely to be replaced with mythweather-revamp soon

[16:27:16]

juski:

so long as users are lazy it won't get fixed :)

[16:27:18]

GreyFoxx:

and then new scripts added to that for various locations

[16:27:43]

xris:

GreyFoxx: do you know if -revamp stores weather results in the db, or still queries every time/

[16:28:21]

GreyFoxx:

I haven't checked the code, but the guy who was working on said he wanted to store it in the db so that if you go again within just a few minutes it will show the last results

[16:29:20]

juski:

not managed to get the revamp working yet. it's tricky

[16:30:15]

GreyFoxx:

I've got a call into Environment Canada to try and get official permissions to access their data. Apparently they have both a parsable text feed for all of canada and xml

[16:30:52]

juski:

same for the bbc

[16:30:59]

xris:

nice

[16:31:25]

xris:

hopefully it'll be something that can go into the db.. or the scripts are easily moved into mythweb or the backend to be called remotely

[16:31:37]

GreyFoxx:

there is no reason not to store the lsat results in the database

[16:31:50]

juski:

didn't that already happen?

[16:32:00]

GreyFoxx:

I know the guy was planning to do it

[16:32:06]

juski:

I'm not fussed about the animated map business one bit

[16:32:31]

juski:

anyway we in the UK who have digital TV can just press for Interactive :)

[16:32:45]

cecil:

hi juski, going to do another booth at LW UK?

[16:32:48]

cecil:

http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2007070901435PR

[16:32:50]

juski:

read news, sports, weather, travel, theatre..

[16:33:16]

juski:

cecil: not unless I get a laptop

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juski:

last weekend has left me very cold on exhibiting anyway

[16:34:43]

cecil:

bummer

[16:35:18]

juski:

london's very expensive for me. i can hardly bring stuff in my car – parking is like £35 a day, plus £50 a night hotels...

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juski:

it's prolly cheaper for me to do linuxtag, truth be told

[16:37:47]

juski:

I've already spent a lot of my own money promoting mythtv. I think another LW wouldn't be anywhere near as much of a waste of time as LRL though

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xris:

juski: thought you were in london.

[16:41:10]

juski:

nope. sunny manchester

[16:41:18]

xris:

ah

[16:41:57]

juski:

if I can get a laptop by then I'll probably say yeah to it. it's the £35 a day car parking that'd be the killer, see

[16:42:18]

juski:

on the other hand if somebody were to donate money.. :)

[16:42:28]

** xris hopes that mythtv will someday be able to help out with that kind of stuff.... **

[16:42:47]

juski:

it's a bit ball-breaking when it all has to come out of my own pocket – makes for an expensive 'jolly'

[16:43:08]

juski:

I coulda bought MCE a few times over by now :)

[16:44:05]

juski:

the social part is always fun but there comes a point where it's cost too much to justify it for that alone

[16:44:37]

GreyFoxx:

xris: yeah that would be nice :)

[16:45:14]

juski:

if folks can't even bring themselves to comment on threads I start on the mailing lists about it, I can't see them putting their hands in their pockets

[16:46:03]

juski:

maybe a new slant is needed... "meet the developers & buy them beers – they all deserve it"

[16:46:18]

snarkster:

if you were going to market mythtv for normal public consumption what would it be worth?

[16:46:32]

juski:

fack nose

[16:46:56]

juski:

I'd guess at least $50 per man hour spent developing it

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snarkster:

really.. how many hours were spent maKING IT?

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juski:

that's not even taking into account overheads like lighting, heat, internet...

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Altair256:

lmao juski :)

[16:47:48]

juski:

I've spend more than 200 hours doing themes, it's safe to say

[16:47:52]

Altair256:

maybe MythTV could get Google to sponser them O.O

[16:48:14]

juski:

maybe MythTV doesn't wanna get into bed with Beelzebub

[16:48:25]

snarkster:

ok so you seem to have unrealistic goals... If i get my myth setup and it works good then Ill be happy to donate..

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juski:

unrealistic goals?

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snarkster:

"50 dollars per man hour"

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juski:

a programmer wouldn't get that, but it costs about 2 times somebody's salary to employ them

[16:49:43]

juski:

and that's a totally skimpy wage

[16:50:03]

snarkster:

ok is myth being developed and paid for, or is it open source development by volunterrs?

[16:50:04]

juski:

this is why the whole concept of bounties is insulting to so many people

[16:50:20]

juski:

100% voluntary

[16:50:30]

snarkster:

right..

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juski:

your question was purely speculative, I thought

[16:50:42]

juski:

or did you think you were using warez?

[16:50:43]

Altair256:

insulting to the ones being asked to offer the bounty, or to the one being pushed into accepting the bounty and doing the work?

[16:50:49]

snarkster:

it was just a question..

[16:50:53]

juski:

Altair256: the latter of course

[16:51:10]

juski:

my time's worth more than $20 an hour to me

[16:51:29]

snarkster:

i agree it is worth more..

[16:51:36]

juski:

a hell of a lot more

[16:51:44]

Altair256:

the fact that software is open source has nothing to do with the fact that funding may or may not be involved

[16:52:03]

snarkster:

then whty work for free?

[16:52:06]

laga:

you spend your time where you want to spend it. be it the pub or be it making themes – do what makes you happy. if you feel that you *must* do something it gets annoying

[16:52:17]

Altair256:

exactly laga

[16:52:27]

snarkster:

i concur

[16:52:31]

Altair256:

snarkster, I believe laga answered your question

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juski:

I know that

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laga:

i guess many people in here (including myself) have contributed to open source just because they enjoyed doing it.

[16:53:08]

snarkster:

:)

[16:53:16]

Altair256:

any time I spend working on a open source project, be it because of a bounty or because I have a desire to simply make the product better...

[16:53:21]

juski:

there's only been the telnet interface code that was funded by an outside party

[16:53:24]

Altair256:

still has the added benefit of helping the community

[16:53:24]

laga:

i have learned some XSLT and some PERL to write an xmltv grabber and it was fun. i don't want any nmoney for it.

[16:53:34]

juski:

other than the google SoC stuff which never got finished (any of it)

[16:54:03]

Altair256:

juski, my comment was not directed strictly at MythTV

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snarkster:

If i were smarter and could think the way you guys think Id be contributing every day.. alas I dont think that way, and I couldnt program my way outta a wet paper sack.. Im a user, not a developer..

[16:54:17]

Altair256:

but rather open source (or any license) software in general

[16:54:27]

juski:

snarkster: that's the kind of defeatest attitude that'll keep you being a user

[16:54:47]

snarkster:

no I have tried to learn many many times.. I just dont get it.

[16:54:48]

laga:

snarkster: i didn't know PERL or XSLT either a few days ago. it's surpsrisignly easy.

[16:54:53]

Altair256:

what's wrong with being a user, though?

[16:54:54]

juski:

I'm no graphic designer either, but my themes are fairly popular

[16:54:56]

Altair256:

users have their role...

[16:55:04]

juski:

yeah we need users to whine

[16:55:06]

Altair256:

and particularly users that contribute... not in code...

[16:55:10]

Pryon:

Many, many projects could benefit by people working on documentation and nothing else. Moreso than by coding, I expect.

[16:55:18]

juski:

lol

[16:55:23]

snarkster:

I dont believe users whine if they are given the right expectations

[16:55:27]

Altair256:

but with suggestions, error reports, and just general uplifting comments

[16:55:29]

juski:

so why are mythtv's users so fucking lazy?

[16:55:37]

Pryon:

you make it easy

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** Altair256 nods in agreement with Pyron. **

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snarkster:

my question about mythweather deffinately need the response I got.. I was just asking a question not whining..

[16:56:07]

Altair256:

that's a gross generalization, juski

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juski:

we make it easy for users to be lazy?

[16:56:21]

Pryon:

exactly. MythTV is *too good*

[16:56:36]

Pryon:

I'm only being mostly sarcastic

[16:56:37]

juski:

Altair256: 99% of the time it's not. look at the feature requests tickets that didn't have patches attached

[16:56:42]

RyeBrye:

Pryon: If you think mythTV is *too good* please submit patches to fix that! ;)

[16:56:44]

snarkster:

elitest attitude

[16:56:46]

Altair256:

as with any product, there are a wide variety of consumer types

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Massif:

Ideally, the users should be able to be "lazy" (although lazy has a negative connotation)

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Altair256:

lmao RyeBrye

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juski:

if all the 'users' vanished tomorrow we'd more than likely still do what we do

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Pryon:

I freely admit to being a lazy leech with respect to mythtv

[16:57:15]

Massif:

they shouldn't have to think about any of the behind the scenes stuff

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Massif:

that's what makes an enjoyable user experience

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snarkster:

and you would still complain about "lazy users" your themes wouldnt exist with out mythtv and mythtv wouldnt exist with out users.

[16:57:44]

juski:

Lazy Leech? that's gonna be an Ubuntu codename I just feel it

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juski:

snarkster: I'd have done them anyway

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juski:

I didn't do them for any fecker else

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Altair256:

exactly Massif... if any product is to be successful out of the hobbyist group.. they have to have a type of polish that makes end users happy

[16:58:17]

RyeBrye:

Speaking of behind the scenes stuff... (aside from restating the error message to me) – anyone know why my MythTV build on a MacBookPro would give me this error message before quitting out on me?

[16:58:18]

RyeBrye:

ERROR! You must have a threaded Qt installed to compile MythTV.

[16:58:33]

Massif:

Most of the stuff I create, I do it for myself and put it out there because others might be interested

[16:58:33]

juski:

mythtv != product

[16:58:36]

snarkster:

being in development should make you happy to build something, wish I could.. then i wouldnt be berated for asking a simple question..

[16:59:13]

RyeBrye:

If you want to get somethign done in the open-source world, you have three options:

[16:59:16]

RyeBrye:

1. do it yourself

[16:59:23]

RyeBrye:

2. Get a developer REALLY EXCITED to do it himself

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Altair256:

juski, out of curiosity, what is your particular role in the MythTV macrocosm?

[16:59:30]

RyeBrye:

3. Pay a developer to do it for you

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juski:

Altair256: theme developer/maintainer

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Pryon:

<darth vader voice>Perhaps I can find new ways to motivate them.</dvv>

[16:59:59]

juski:

used to call myself 'advocate' but IMHO users can go to hell

[17:00:01]

Altair256:

dangit... phone

[17:00:04]

snarkster:

Nice Pyron

[17:00:12]

RyeBrye:

Look at the feature set in Myth...

[17:00:21]

RyeBrye:

Seriously – who the hell cares about SIP phone integrated into their DVR?

[17:00:21]

snarkster:

juki which themes have you created?

[17:00:25]

RyeBrye:

A couple of developers

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snarkster:

juski even, my aopologies.

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** Altair256 raises his hand. **

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juski:

projectgrayhem, projectgrayhem-wide, projectgrayhem-osd, blootube, blootube-wide, blootubelite-wide, blootube-osd, neon-wide

[17:01:11]

RyeBrye:

I'm not complaining it's there – I'm sure it's great to have mythphone work well for those who use it – but I would suspect a small percentage of people use it

[17:01:19]

Altair256:

I must be one of those 0.2% of the normal users that wants the SIP integration

[17:01:20]

Altair256:

lol

[17:01:22]

RyeBrye:

:)

[17:01:27]

RyeBrye:

True :)

[17:01:34]

juski:

RyeBrye: nobody responded to a demand from users – the developer wanted it

[17:01:41]

snarkster:

I to plan on using it..

[17:01:42]

RyeBrye:

Juski – exactly :)

[17:01:54]

juski:

mythtv only exists because Isaac wanted it

[17:01:54]

Massif:

it would definitely be cool to have video conferencing...even if it was just from room to room in the same house

[17:02:01]

Altair256:

juski... the reason I asked about your role in MythTV is your statement that you do not view MythTV as a "product"

[17:02:05]

juski:

jesus man how big is your house?

[17:02:16]

Altair256:

would you say the developers agree with that attitude?

[17:02:28]

Massif:

lol

[17:02:28]

juski:

I only started making themes because the existing ones ALL sucked IMHO

[17:02:41]

GreyFoxx:

Altair256: Define "product" in that context

[17:02:49]

Altair256:

I'm using the MythCenter one, it's nice :)

[17:02:52]

Pryon:

Massif: there are enough camwhores on the net without mythtv making it droolingly simple to become one

[17:02:53]

Chicory:

Er, can I ask how the fuck you can say that the users can go to hell?

[17:02:58]

juski:

Altair256: not everybody – but the majority of the ones I speak to are in it for themselves

[17:03:01]

Chicory:

As a user, uh, I expect to be able to use the program.

[17:03:16]

Chicory:

I don't necessarily mean it should always Just Work because that's unreasonable.

[17:03:21]

snarkster:

Mythtv is an awesome opensource product.. still a few rough edges to work out but awesome none the less.

[17:03:27]

Massif:

I'm not talking about broadcasting, just person to person

[17:03:29]

RyeBrye:

I think the general rift between users and devs is this: Devs don't get paid shit to do this stuff, and work on it in the spare time

[17:03:30]

Chicory:

But "user go to Hell" is just begging for shit like "it's not a bug, it's a FEATURE".

[17:03:43]

RyeBrye:

Users think that devs are motivated by some "Open source movement" but in reality they are motivated by the same things they are

[17:03:48]

juski:

as for mythcenter – if I had my way it'd be gone already, but not even I'm that bad

[17:03:49]

RyeBrye:

- they just want things to work they way they want

[17:03:53]

Altair256:

GreyFoxx, Chicory sort of hit on it

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Altair256:

meaning that the final product, albeit maybe contained in a distro such as KnoppMyth or MythDora...

[17:04:24]

laga:

i hate my fscking cable company.

[17:04:29]

RyeBrye:

I hate your cable company too

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Altair256:

does not require hobbyist level knowledge to use and enjoy

[17:04:34]

juski:

or a 'product' as in something commercial for which the developers never see a penny from :(

[17:04:59]

Altair256:

I did not mean it in connection to something commercial, no

[17:05:13]

juski:

there ARE mythtv _products_ out there though

[17:05:17]

Chicory:

I'll also note that I understand situations like, say, the Zap2It DD issue. Even normal users would understand that you can't control someone pulling your listings.

[17:05:32]

GreyFoxx:

Altair256: most of us consider it a hobby. One that we enjoy and often take some pride in '

[17:05:33]

Pryon:

It is difficult to describe the extreme sense of entitlement a developer notices. Even on a very small project. I can't imagine what it's like for something of myth's size. (note: not sucking up, just pointing out facts)

[17:05:51]

Chicory:

God forbid that anyone sell DVR hardware boxes with MythTV preinstalled.

[17:05:52]

RyeBrye:

If MythTV had mob ties, we could control getting listings pulled...

[17:05:52]

GreyFoxx:

and having it work as easily as possible is a great goal

[17:05:56]

snarkster:

most is the keyword there

[17:06:01]

GreyFoxx:

but it's not our one and one life goal to please others

[17:06:04]

juski:

and what I mean by "users can go to hell".. is that if they're not prepared to do a little work themselves, why should *I* get off my ass & do it for them?

[17:06:26]

snarkster:

:)

[17:06:36]

juski:

FYI my opinions do NOT necessarily reflect the other mythtv developers' views as a whole

[17:06:40]

snarkster:

again juski what themes did you create?

[17:06:45]

juski:

snarkster: I told you

[17:06:47]

GreyFoxx:

snarkster: He replied to you

[17:06:51]

juski:

projectgrayhem, projectgrayhem-wide, projectgrayhem-osd, blootube, blootube-wide, blootubelite-wide, blootube-osd, neon-wide

[17:06:59]

Altair256:

I think that's a very reasonable attitude for a developer of _any_ software. Particularly one as broad and complicated as MythTV

[17:06:59]

juski:

no less than eight

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Chicory:

Uh, because they're incapable and if it doesn't work they might actually have a right to ask how it's going to be fixed.

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Pryon:

How did they acquire such a right?

[17:07:24]

Chicory:

If they come in ALLCAPSING and are all ike "THIS NEEDS BE FIXED NAO DO IT ON MY PUTER >:E" they're less a "user" and more an "asshat".

[17:07:31]

Pryon:

What is the corresponding responsibility?

[17:07:47]

snarkster:

this is true

[17:08:14]

Chicory:

Maybe in the sense they need to know if the next version will work correctly given the bug and if they really should invest the time trying to get this particular program to work.

[17:08:25]

juski:

Pryon: I often get hopped on for that attitude, but I stick by it. you do NOT have any RIGHTS as a 'user'. here's the software – if it works for you, great. if not, maybe you can help fix it

[17:08:27]

Altair256:

imo, the only rights a user has it to be treated with the same respect he shows the developers

[17:08:40]

snarkster:

this is true

[17:08:45]

Altair256:

the developers (particuarlly of free software) are not bound to do anything else beyond this

[17:09:04]

Altair256:

however, for a product to succeed well, the devs have to at least listen to the users

[17:09:04]

juski:

that never stops needy folks being unreasonable about it

[17:09:18]

Altair256:

which, from my perspective, it seems the MythTV developers do just fine :)

[17:09:39]

Chicory:

I will note that as a user, if the devs are having problems with the program and it looks like it won't be solved for some time, I look for an alternative.

[17:09:45]

Massif:

I think another problem is that the users have direct communication with developers rather than some sort of tech support or something

[17:09:47]

snarkster:

i agree as well.

[17:09:58]

RyeBrye:

True

[17:10:10]

Altair256:

Chicory, that is what I meant by saying that "for a product to succeed well"

[17:10:10]

RyeBrye:

But who the hell would want to man #mythtv-techsupport ? :)

[17:10:18]

Massif:

exactly

[17:10:20]

Massif:

for free even

[17:10:21]

Chicory:

XD

[17:10:21]

juski:

isn't that what this is?

[17:10:25]

GreyFoxx:

RyeBrye: You are, right now :)

[17:10:25]

Altair256:

I vote juski gets to do it >.>

[17:10:28]

juski:

we're all mugs!

[17:10:28]

RyeBrye:

Oh, true :)

[17:10:30]

snarkster:

LUNCH!!!! later

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Massif:

later

[17:10:40]

RyeBrye:

Altair – LOL :)

[17:10:54]

juski:

you'd never see me again, that's for sure

[17:11:09]

Altair256:

that's right... you'd be too busy in #MythTV-TechSupport

[17:11:13]

RyeBrye:

Anyone here building on Intel OS X?

[17:11:14]

Altair256:

lol ^_^

[17:11:15]

juski:

liek shite I would

[17:12:03]

Altair256:

here's a nice segway for the conversation...

[17:12:07]

RyeBrye:

Segway polo

[17:12:16]

Altair256:

do most people use a pre-setup distro like MythDora, KnoppMyth, etc...

[17:12:20]

Altair256:

or do you all roll your own?

[17:12:24]

juski:

anyway who can even speculate as to the level of car-crash scenario the windows port will bring?

[17:12:31]

** Chicory had to roll his own. :P **

[17:12:41]

Chicory:

... Windows port? o_o

[17:12:42]

RyeBrye:

I just installed Fedora and installed Myth on that

[17:12:48]

RyeBrye:

Is the Windows port actively being worked on?

[17:12:50]

juski:

I use ubunut & minimyth

[17:12:52]

** RyeBrye shudders **

[17:12:52]

Massif:

I used the Fedora MythTV-ology Howto

[17:13:01]

** Chicory imagines the huddled masses of Windows users flocking to this channel. **

[17:13:13]

juski:

RyeBrye: not so much a windows port, but getting it to work under cygwin

[17:13:17]

RyeBrye:

Oh, gotcha

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GreyFoxx:

[17:13:27]

juski:

even so, there may be trouble ahead...

[17:13:31]

GreyFoxx:

then fedora

[17:13:35]

GreyFoxx:

and so on down the chain

[17:13:52]

Massif:

Once I built Linux From Scratch

[17:14:00]

Altair256:

I may try an ubuntu setup later on

[17:14:02]

RyeBrye:

Type the kernel in manually?

[17:14:04]

juski:

knoppmyth isn't enough of a challenge for some so they use that as the 'nursery' OS

[17:14:08]

Altair256:

the KnoppMyth setup is just so easy

[17:14:20]

Chicory:

Ubunutu's pretty nice.

[17:14:22]

Massif:

lol, compiled it all manually

[17:14:36]

juski:

I've never understood why folks get it working in knoppmyth then switch

[17:14:39]

RyeBrye:

KnoppMyth wouldn't install to /dev/hdb for me – it only wanted to do /dev/hda – so I had to do my own

[17:14:40]

juski:

it's perverse

[17:14:42]

Chicory:

*... UBUNTU, god I've been using it for two years you'd think I'd be capable of spelling it!

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[17:14:49]

juski:

ubunut

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RyeBrye:

UNUBUTUA

[17:15:02]

juski:

NOOB-TU

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Altair256:

juski, possibly because they either wanted to get a better understanding of the underlaying system...

[17:15:09]

RyeBrye:

Un00btu

[17:15:17]

Chicory:

It's only noob-tu until you've been at it for a while. XD

[17:15:18]

Altair256:

or possibly because they wanted more control over the sytem

[17:15:23]

Altair256:

or... maybe we're just sadist

[17:15:34]

Massif:

that's precisely why I tried LFS

[17:15:45]

juski:

fascinating as this is, it's time for me to go home

[17:15:49]

Altair256:

what, you're a sadist?

[17:15:58]

Altair256:

lol ;)

[17:15:59]

Massif:

I learned a ton about the inner workings

[17:16:18]

Massif:

wouldn't that be masochist?

[17:16:24]

Altair256:

thanks for your insight, juski?

[17:16:46]

Altair256:

hrm, true

[17:16:56]

Altair256:

I guess the developers of LSF are the sadist >.>

[17:17:01]

Altair256:

LFS*

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Massif:

hehe indeed

[17:18:10]

Altair256:

hrm... if the pain is self inflicted, and you enjoy both dishing out the punishment to yourself, and receiving it...

[17:18:18]

Altair256:

doesn't that make you a sadist/masochist?

[17:18:18]

Massif:

To make matters worse, I did it in QEmu, so it took about 10 times as long

[17:18:21]

Altair256:

o.O

[17:18:33]

Massif:

i like prolonged pain

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Massif:

:P

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Altair256:

alrighty... I think I have a full set of channel icons that at a pretty good resolution now for my cable company

[17:20:25]

Altair256:

only took 2 days -_-

[17:21:00]

Massif:

I was lucky, my cable company's website has them all...only 50x50 pixels though

[17:21:07]

Massif:

but good enough

[17:21:18]

Altair256:

I've got mine all at 99x99 now

[17:21:28]

Massif:

jpg,gif,png?

[17:21:34]

Altair256:

jpg atm

[17:21:39]

Altair256:

since that's how they started

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laga:

Altair256: there's a script that'll get the channel icons for you AFAIK

[17:22:13]

Massif:

I would love to have png versions with transparency

[17:22:39]

Altair256:

yeah, but it was down the other day, and if it's the ones on zap2it's web version listing, then they look like crap

[17:22:52]

Altair256:

if it just pulls them straight from LyngSat, then wouldn't they be in the wrong ratio?

[17:23:18]

Altair256:

Massif, they look beautiful on the OSD, but not so much in the Guide

[17:23:55]

Massif:

yeah, I think my guide might be laggier now that I'm using icons

[17:24:17]

Altair256:

so I opted to go with the white background... also made getting most of the icosn fairly easy, since I didn't have to get rid of the background and feather the edges

[17:25:12]

Altair256:

on a very positive note, I got my PVR-150 working :)

[17:25:58]

Massif:

nice

[17:26:00]

Altair256:

still haven't been able to get Data Direct working...

[17:26:13]

Altair256:

but I hear it may be back up

[17:26:17]

Altair256:

I'll try when I get home tonight

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[17:26:43]

Massif:

I haven't had any issues with it, might be because I already have the data for a while

[17:26:51]

Altair256:

I hope TMS/MythTV Devs/rest of the world/etc find a good equitable solution before 9/1

[17:27:04]

GreyFoxx:

I'm sure there will be

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GreyFoxx:

Altair256: They got it back and running last night

[17:27:20]

Altair256:

that sounds promising :)

[17:27:39]

GreyFoxx:

Altair256: We are hoping for an official announcement soon

[17:27:49]

Altair256:

that's awesome ^^

[17:28:21]

Altair256:

I assume there will be an update at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Data_Direct when the news is official?

[17:28:28]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[17:28:32]

Massif:

Is there any solution that wouldn't require users to upgrade?

[17:28:34]

GreyFoxx:

and the main page iutself

[17:28:39]

** Altair256 sets his home page to the wiki entry... **

[17:28:47]

GreyFoxx:

Massif: Depends on the final solution

[17:29:21]

GreyFoxx:

It could come down to a simple mythtv-setup config changes and a xmltv update

[17:29:26]

GreyFoxx:

but we'll see

[17:30:08]

Massif:

Yeah, but if an upgrade is required it would give me an excuse to rebuild my machine yet again

[17:30:10]

Altair256:

I guess we could always go back to screen scraping if we absolutely had to

[17:30:29]

jhatch:

g'morning.

[17:30:32]

GreyFoxx:

Altair256: Worst case yeah

[17:30:38]

Massif:

morning

[17:30:42]

GreyFoxx:

And I'm sure some people will

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Altair256:

you just gave too much away then

[17:30:57]

jhatch:

Are we still talking about z2it?

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Massif:

yeah

[17:31:11]

Altair256:

that implies that the solution that is in discussion will involve end users paying $

[17:31:16]

Slyboots:

Ello, Got a.. ammusing issue with mytv :) When I switch to liveTV, everyone is.. blue

[17:31:17]

GreyFoxx:

jhatch: Of course, the sep1 stuff

[17:31:24]

GreyFoxx:

Altair256: very possible

[17:31:28]

GreyFoxx:

the data isn't free

[17:31:29]

Massif:

I had that too slyboots

[17:31:31]

jhatch:

wonderful...

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jhatch:

:)

[17:31:41]

Massif:

but only on the preview screen

[17:32:00]

Slyboots:

Massif: I get it when anything uses the internal mythtv player

[17:32:00]

Altair256:

it will definitely be interesting to see what TMS will be able to do that makes it worth the money

[17:32:14]

Altair256:

considering evertually someone somewhere will right a new screen scraper

[17:32:19]

jhatch:

Slyboots, so, DVD's are blue?

[17:32:44]

Slyboots:

They were, I switched them to play using mplayer

[17:32:50]

Massif:

Everyone looks like smurfs?

[17:32:51]

Slyboots:

That solved the problem, but liveTV is still blue

[17:32:52]

xris:

Altair256: people already have... but screen scrapers are a pain. And to get any amount of extra information (descriptions, etc) the scraping queries could take hours/days to complete.

[17:32:54]

GreyFoxx:

Altair256: I'd happily pay a modest fee for my data.

[17:32:57]

Slyboots:

More like the blue-man group

[17:33:01]

Slyboots:

Its funky :)

[17:33:02]

GreyFoxx:

It has value to me

[17:33:06]

Altair256:

as am I, GreyFoxx

[17:33:16]

GreyFoxx:

and if it's a reliable and complete source then I would happily pay

[17:33:17]

jhatch:

What version are you running Slyboots?

[17:33:25]

GreyFoxx:

rather than have constantly breaking scrapers and such

[17:33:27]

Altair256:

but your definition of modest, my definition, and TMS's definition may not all match

[17:33:31]

Slyboots:

Of myth? Uh.. just whatever version was in the ubuntu feisty reps

[17:33:32]

Massif:

I'm getting good at screen scraping

[17:33:52]

Massif:

It's pretty much my job

[17:34:01]

jhatch:

I have no idea what version that is. I'm using svn.

[17:34:13]

Altair256:

they either have to make it so cheap that no one is willing to keep a screen scraper working...

[17:34:15]

Slyboots:

0.20-svn20

[17:34:16]

jhatch:

and I'm using fedora.

[17:34:33]

Altair256:

or hire a really good web programmer to constantly be at odds with those that are writing the scrapers

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RyeBrye:

If I got digital cable, could I get two digital feeds from an HDHomeRun box into MythTV?

[17:34:51]

Slyboots:

I suspect the flgrx driver might be to blame..

[17:34:54]

Slyboots:

Or the TV card

[17:34:55]

GreyFoxx:

Altair256: I'd pay up to $3 a month... very very worst $5, but at $3 a month that's less than 10cents a day. a A bargain imho

[17:34:58]

RyeBrye:

Does the HDHomeRun act as an STB< or does it plug into an STB?

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GreyFoxx:

especially if I could get a deal for paying for 6months ata time or something

[17:35:11]

Altair256:

that's the trick then...

[17:35:17]

coldsteal:

hello

[17:35:20]

GreyFoxx:

But we'll see

[17:35:23]

coldsteal:

i was wondering what the "best" sound card for myth tv is with 5.1

[17:35:29]

Altair256:

find the maximum they can charge without upsetting the people that have the ability and desire to write the scrapers

[17:35:41]

Slyboots:

Ahh, and a solution..

[17:35:44]

Altair256:

my tolerance is $2–3/month

[17:35:48]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, same here

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jhatch:

coldsteal, check out http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16829118105

[17:35:55]

Altair256:

I would prefer paying yearly and getting a slight discount

[17:36:00]

RyeBrye:

I tolerate Altair256 paying $2–3 / year

[17:36:01]

RyeBrye:

err month

[17:36:13]

xris:

heh

[17:36:16]

xris:

/year would be nice. :)

[17:36:20]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

[17:36:20]

jhatch:

people say it's good, I'm about to try it later today.

[17:36:22]

Massif:

For me it's not about the amount, it's more about the effort of paying a fee

[17:36:22]

Slyboots:

Although I may have to recompile..

[17:36:30]

xris:

but certainly won't work (having seen some of the numbers involved in this undertaking)

[17:36:51]

RyeBrye:

Anyone here using an HDHomeRun?

[17:36:51]

Altair256:

$2–3 billed montly is silly anyway... billing it yearly, or possibly quarterly is much more likely

[17:37:00]

coldsteal:

is the Turtle Beach RIVIERA better than a sound blaster xfi

[17:37:07]

xris:

Altair256: especially considering how much it costs to run a credit card transaction.

[17:37:13]

Altair256:

exactly, xris

[17:37:15]

** RyeBrye hates his noisy cable signal... and is debating going digital **

[17:37:19]

jhatch:

RyeBrye, Ask me tomorrow... Im trying one tongiht, if it is indeed delivered today. :)

[17:37:30]

RyeBrye:

jhatch – cool :)

[17:37:58]

RyeBrye:

I don't need HD, but I don't want to have to rent multiple STB's from teh cable company if I can buy HDHomeRun boxes

[17:37:59]

Altair256:

xris, you say it is unlikely for it to be billed ... yearly?

[17:38:09]

GreyFoxx:

funny, here we are talking about TMS and I get a account expiry notice for the office myth box :)

[17:38:10]

coldsteal:

jhatch: is the Turtle Beach RIVIERA better than a sound blaster xfi

[17:38:24]

GreyFoxx:

Altair256: No, unlikely to be $2–3 per year :)

[17:38:29]

jhatch:

coldsteal, I don't know what's better, but it is cheaper for sure and does 5.1

[17:38:35]

Altair256:

lmao... oooh

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coldsteal:

and is fully suported?

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jhatch:

according to the reviews on Newegg, yes. Like I said, I'm trying it out tongiht.

[17:39:19]

Altair256:

I'd pay something just to get rid of the stupid expiry email >.<

[17:39:53]

GreyFoxx:

pay me $1 a month and then change your profile to email me

[17:39:57]

GreyFoxx:

I'll fill it in for you :)

[17:39:58]

Altair256:

lmao

[17:40:08]

jhatch:

GreyFoxx, that only comes every few months though...

[17:40:10]

coldsteal:

now im going to get a Update Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 500 MCE

[17:40:27]

GreyFoxx:

jhatch: Yeah, rather than a $3 lumpsump I'm letting him pay in increments :)

[17:40:55]

coldsteal:

now im going to get a Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 500 MCE do i need a sound card for each tuner?

[17:40:56]

Altair256:

what about the pcHDTV 3000, or better?

[17:41:09]

Altair256:

how do those work out?

[17:41:26]

** sphery loves my 4 pcHDTV HD-3000's **

[17:41:29]

Massif:

coldsteal: no, the tuner records sound

[17:41:41]

Altair256:

sphery, they're connected to digital cable?

[17:41:50]

sphery:

I'm using OTA

[17:41:50]

jhatch:

I like pchdtv cards, I have a 2000 and I set up a 5500 for my bro...

[17:41:55]

Massif:

my 5500 works pretty good

[17:42:04]

sphery:

I've heard the 3000 is pretty good for QAM (5500 might be better).

[17:42:05]

Altair256:

do they accept HD cable coax?

[17:42:09]

coldsteal:

so the pcHDTV 3000 is better than the Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 500 MCE?

[17:42:12]

sphery:

Don't use the 2000 for QAM.

[17:42:21]

jhatch:

No, 2000 os OTA only.

[17:42:29]

Massif:

coldteal: it depends what you want

[17:42:29]

jhatch:

3000 and 5500 are QAM

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Altair256:

phone, away

[17:43:08]

Massif:

PVR500 = 2 analog tuners, pcHDTV 3000 = 1 digital (and maybe 1 analog)

[17:43:12]

jhatch:

coldsteal, if you want analog only, get the Hauppauge

[17:43:27]

sphery:

Massif: 1 digital /or/ 1 analog (at a time)

[17:43:38]

Massif:

oh, ok

[17:43:41]

sphery:

SVN trunk supports using it for either, but only one at a time.

[17:43:44]

jhatch:

HD5500 (3000) can do both digital and analog, but only one at a time.

[17:44:18]

sphery:

But, if doing analog and digital, I highly recommend getting a PVR-x50 /and/ a pcHDTV HD-x000

[17:44:28]

Massif:

that's what I have

[17:44:31]

jhatch:

or a hdhr

[17:44:35]

sphery:

Right.

[17:44:43]

sphery:

Just not using the HD-x000 for analog

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coldsteal:

where do i get pcHDtv

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sphery:

pchdtv.com

[17:44:52]

sphery:

:)

[17:44:55]

coldsteal:

o

[17:44:56]

coldsteal:

lol

[17:44:56]

Massif:

http://www.pchdtv.com

[17:45:06]

jhatch:

The headquarters for pchdtv are about 3 miles from my house. :)

[17:45:26]

Massif:

nice

[17:45:28]

coldsteal:

is there one with dual tunners?

[17:45:37]

jhatch:

not a pchdtv.

[17:45:41]

sphery:

There are other cards, too, that others swear by for digital, but the pcHDTV works great.

[17:45:45]

Massif:

my friend ordered a pcHDTV 5500 and they sent him 2

[17:45:47]

Massif:

I was jealous

[17:45:52]

sphery:

Might be more expensive than, i.e. an AverMedia A-180.

[17:46:08]

sphery:

Massif: Wow. How did that happen?

[17:46:17]

jhatch:

I opted for the hdhr over the hd5500 because dual tuners for $40 more was a no brainer.

[17:46:20]

Massif:

I dunno, shipping error I assume

[17:46:24]

Massif:

they came separately

[17:46:32]

Massif:

didn't even have to pay customs on the second one

[17:46:47]

coldsteal:

they only have HD-5500

[17:46:48]

sphery:

I opted for the pcHDTV because not relying on a network interface was a no-brainer. :)

[17:47:01]

jhatch:

heh

[17:47:07]

sphery:

Right. The HD-5500 is the one you want.

[17:47:14]

sphery:

Newest and greatest.

[17:47:14]

jhatch:

to each his own. :)

[17:47:34]

sphery:

Only use the others if you already have them. :) (Or you can get them for sufficiently less $.)

[17:47:36]

jhatch:

the HD5500 comes with a useless IR receiver too. Sweet!

[17:47:41]

coldsteal:

so i can do analog or digital with HD-5500

[17:47:58]

sphery:

I'd recommend you don't. :) Do digital only.

[17:48:00]

jhatch:

coldsteal, yes

[17:48:04]

jhatch:

you can.

[17:48:37]

jhatch:

sphery, it shouldn't matter if he sets up both, myth will treat it as one tuner...

[17:48:38]

sphery:

If you do analog, your CPU has to do the encoding (i.e. to RTJPEG or MPEG-4), so it takes a lot of resources.

[17:48:52]

jhatch:

True, dat...

[17:49:37]

jhatch:

though, my brother's using one on an Athlon MP without a problem.

[17:49:47]

jhatch:

(analog only)

[17:50:25]

coldsteal:

maybe ill get a HD5500 and Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-150

[17:50:40]

sphery:

Yeah. It's possible (and you can get good (=better than PVR-x50) quality with the appropriate filters), but I like having a lot of capture cards...

[17:51:01]

sphery:

My 4 capture cards would take some serious CPU resources.

[17:51:06]

Massif:

I can only fit 2 cards in my machine :(

[17:51:14]

sphery:

I'd probably need one core per card.

[17:51:32]

Massif:

it has 3 pci slots, but the video card almost touches one of them

[17:51:34]

sphery:

Massif: Even if you could fit more, you'd probably have recording issues...

[17:51:37]

coldsteal:

what would be good for a dual tunner?

[17:51:46]

sphery:

Many people have had issues running 2 or more in one computer.

[17:51:57]

sphery:

I have 2 in each of 2 backends.

[17:52:07]

Massif:

yeah, I rarely have more than 2 shows at the same time anyway

[17:52:33]

sphery:

I know that some on the list get recording issues with 2 because of power (and just getting a more-expensive PSU isn't necessarily going to help and might actually hurt).

[17:53:05]

Massif:

my computer crashes sometimes when I record with my pvr500

[17:53:06]

coldsteal:

is there a dual tunner thas hd/analog?

[17:53:38]

Massif:

just randomly reboots

[17:53:56]

Massif:

I found a site that said it might be an IRQ problem

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sphery:

Kevin Khupal on the list has an AverMedia A180 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815100020 ) and says it's perfect for QAM, and it's cheaper than an HD-5500.

[17:54:15]

sphery:

coldsteal: HDHomeRun

[17:54:17]

Massif:

apparently eth0 being on same IRQ as a video tuner could cause issues

[17:55:01]

sphery:

coldsteal: http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/products/hdhomerun

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sphery:

coldsteal: I don't see mention of analog on that page, but I'm pretty sure I remember it will do analog capture, too.

[17:56:23]

ShockValue:

would the speed be good enough to record 1 HD stream and watch 1 HD stream at the same time if i were to keep all my storage on a NAS?

[17:56:41]

ShockValue:

im considering consolidating all my drives into 1 large storage box

[17:57:03]

sphery:

Might have issues with an NAS.

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coldsteal:

sphery: i dont really see were to buy it

[17:57:21]

sphery:

The links at the bottom of the page are to stores that sell it.

[17:57:26]

coldsteal:

ShockValue: maybe over gigabit lan

[17:57:30]

coldsteal:

o

[17:57:33]

coldsteal:

i see

[17:57:49]

sphery:

I'm thinking the NAS itself (and not the network) would be the issue.

[17:57:50]

ShockValue:

hrm.. what bitrate does HD use anyway? 1080

[17:58:17]

sphery:

Most people who have mentioned using them seem to have issues that boil down to seek times

[17:58:18]

Massif:

bitrate varies

[17:58:36]

Massif:

I have hour long shows that are 4 gigs, and others that are 6–7

[17:58:58]

coldsteal:

the hdhomerun is over ethernet

[17:59:06]

sphery:

For me, FOX and ABC is about 3.5GB/hr, CBS/MyTV are 6.5GB/hr, ABC/WB are 8.25GB/hr

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Massif:

yeah, Lost always seems to be my largest

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sphery:

But, sometimes cable companies requantize to reduce bitrate so they can "steal" bitrate for other shows.

[18:00:00]

sphery:

BTW, I meant NBC/WB are 8.25GB/hr.

[18:00:09]

sphery:

Too many "BC's"

[18:01:04]

sphery:

jhatch: Does the HDHR do analog, too?

[18:01:45]

ShockValue:

so, if i round up to 10GB an hour..thats 80000 Megabits/hour or 1333 Mb/min or 22Mb/sec.

[18:01:59]

ShockValue:

seems like that would be no issue

[18:02:03]

ShockValue:

unless my math sucks

[18:02:08]

sphery:

It's the seek times...

[18:02:26]

sphery:

Myth will record all streams at once, so they'll be fragmented and non-contiguous (in 0.20).

[18:02:40]

ShockValue:

hrm

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sphery:

In 0.21, if you set up storage groups such that you're not using RAID or LVM (at least not the Multiple Disk part), you can actually configure it to write each stream to a different spindle (reducing fragmentation and seek times).

[18:03:35]

** sphery is a big believer in storage groups with no MD **

[18:03:58]

ShockValue:

well i was planning on raiding it.. 3x250 raid5 is my current set for TV sorage

[18:04:00]

sid:

What are some american companies that sell mythtv boxes/setups?

[18:04:00]

ShockValue:

storage

[18:04:40]

laga:

sphery: to a different *spindle*? :)

[18:04:45]

jhatch:

sphery, sorry I was away for a sec... no, the hdhr is digital only.

[18:05:03]

sphery:

coldsteal: Guess the HDHR won't do analog, so probably not what you want.

[18:05:13]

sphery:

laga: to a different disk.

[18:06:06]

coldsteal:

sphery: well i dont have any hd stuff yet but i want to make my mythbox then i will get cable and mybe a projector

[18:06:17]

coldsteal:

i just got my speakers yesterday

[18:06:49]

jhatch:

coldsteal, I don't have an hdtv but I only watch the HD broadcasts. It still looks better than analog.

[18:07:22]

Massif:

yeah, it even looked better on my old rounded CRT

[18:07:40]

Massif:

but then I got a 42" Aquos....mmmmmm

[18:07:51]

coldsteal:

all i have right now is my 21inch crt and a 27ich tv and i usually watch everything on my crt

[18:07:59]

Tanthrix:

Massif: Which Aquos?

[18:08:29]

sphery:

I have a 67" Samsung DLP and a 15.4" laptop screen and watch more on the laptop (because of travel).

[18:08:57]

coldsteal:

yeah im debating between a projector or a lcd hdtv

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sphery:

Tanthrix: Guess you won't find out which Aquos.

[18:09:50]

Tanthrix:

That seems to be the case, heh.

[18:10:28]

coldsteal:

my sister has her dam music so loud

[18:10:59]

coldsteal:

i feel like turning it off with the curcut breaker

[18:11:10]

coldsteal:

circut

[18:11:12]

coldsteal:

*

[18:11:17]

laga:

circuit?

[18:11:34]

jhatch:

sirkut...

[18:11:47]

jhatch:

umm

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jhatch:

n/m

[18:11:56]

coldsteal:

w/e lol i cat spenn

[18:12:07]

coldsteal:

*spekk

[18:12:10]

coldsteal:

*spell

[18:12:11]

Tanthrix:

You cat spenn? Might want to see a doctor about that..

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coldsteal:

lol dam keyboard

[18:12:22]

Massif:

Damn thing rebooted again

[18:12:30]

Tanthrix:

Massif: Which Aquos do you have?

[18:12:53]

Massif:

LC42D72U

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coldsteal:

omg thats 2k

[18:13:39]

Tanthrix:

Is that older or newer than the LC42D62U?

[18:14:01]

Massif:

Slightly newer. better contrast ratio and includes a DVI port

[18:14:06]

coldsteal:

lol well i just got a new job so i will have a tv in like a month

[18:14:29]

coldsteal:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . Tpk=LC42D72U

[18:14:41]

Tanthrix:

Massif: Interesting. I've got the latter – verry happy with it minus some very slight banding.

[18:15:18]

Massif:

I haven't had any banding. What does it look like?

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coldsteal:

lol i just made a newegg wishlist called "nice crap i cant afford"

[18:16:51]

Tanthrix:

Massif: Basically, when there are sort of grey ish or otherwise flat images that pan (like a camera panning across an overcast sky) I can just make out some slight things on hte screen

[18:17:20]

Tanthrix:

One of them is a vertical band on the left, and there are some horizontal ones as well

[18:17:31]

Tanthrix:

Extremely faint, but they're there.

[18:17:36]

Massif:

ok

[18:17:56]

Tanthrix:

It's a common problem with Sharp sets.

[18:20:02]

Massif:

I heard the larger ones have a much more likely to experience banding

[18:20:16]

Massif:

*are much more likely

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Slyboots:

You will have to excuse me if this is a stupid question..

[18:26:54]

fryfrog:

there are no stupid questions!

[18:26:56]

fryfrog:

only stupid people :)

[18:27:10]

thoraxe_:

and stupid answers

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Slyboots:

In the wiki, there is a section about the blue-hue issue with the fglrx driver, and it recomends editing libs/libmnythtv/videoout_xp.cpp and uncomment a line

[18:27:34]

juski:

yup

[18:27:36]

Slyboots:

Now, Im assuming that means int he mythtv source-code

[18:27:40]

juski:

yup

[18:27:44]

Slyboots:

Not a configuration fil.. shit

[18:27:50]

juski:

yup

[18:28:01]

Slyboots:

Okay, I might as well download the latest SVN then, might fix the MythWeather bug

[18:28:13]

juski:

if the thought of compiling scares you you can always just do the right thing & buy a nvidia card

[18:28:15]

Slyboots:

Is there anything I should be aware of so I dont butcher my current data?

[18:28:38]

Slyboots:

Oh its not compling the program, its just compiling and busting the shit out of my configuration

[18:28:42]

juski:

back up the database before upgrading, then back up the database before upgrading, then back up the database before upgrading

[18:28:45]

Slyboots:

And trust me, if I had any money I would

[18:28:52]

Slyboots:

the SQL database

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GreyFoxx:

It really should be a hidden database setting

[18:29:01]

juski:

what other database would it be?

[18:29:17]

Slyboots:

Dunno.. my offshore illegal bank account database?

[18:29:28]

Slyboots:

:P

[18:29:32]

juski:

then when you're done backing up the database, uninstall any mythtv packages before building from scratch

[18:29:51]

jhatch:

Slyboots, as for mythweather, it is broken. You need to download a modified version of mythweather from a different myhtplugins tree.

[18:30:02]

Slyboots:

Ahh

[18:30:06]

Slyboots:

... meh Im not that fussed

[18:30:09]

Slyboots:

I can look out the window ;)

[18:30:29]

jhatch:

The fixed one is kinda cool but still doesn't work 100%

[18:30:58]

jhatch:

so yeah, look out the window... Hell, go outside. :)

[18:31:13]

Slyboots:

haha

[18:31:31]

Massif:

blasphemy!

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jhatch:

muahaha!

[18:31:54]

Massif:

The day star hurts my eyes

[18:32:22]

jhatch:

It BURNS us!

[18:33:06]

Slyboots:

Agh! Actual daylight! Get it off me, Gettittoffmee!!

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Slyboots:

So where is the latest svn hosted anyway?

[18:41:16]

juski:

svn.mythtv.org

[18:41:27]

** laga bites tongue **

[18:41:34]

Slyboots:

Thanks

[18:41:52]

Slyboots:

Tried google was not having much luck

[18:42:12]

juski:

laga don't hold back it's bad for your blood

[18:42:28]

laga:

juski: i'll be ok

[18:44:48]

** Cry_wolf2 think hes gonna build from svn too. Debian packs are waaaaay old **

[18:45:14]

jhatch:

Slyboots, if you want to try the mythweather thing do svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/mythweathe . . . /mythplugins

[18:46:31]

Slyboots:

Nifty, Thanks

[18:46:41]

jhatch:

n/p

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Slyboots:

Okay, Im looking a the code for the file in question, there is no line to enable a ATI hack

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Slyboots:

vim and grep show no string in the file that matches the one shown in the wiki

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Slyboots:

So.. I dunno unless Im missing something here

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GreyFoxx:

The wiki is showing the old name

[18:55:57]

GreyFoxx:

the define was later renamed

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Slyboots:

Ahh, So what is it called now?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't honestly remember

[18:57:04]

GreyFoxx:

hold on an I'kll find it

[18:57:04]

GreyFoxx:

I use it on my MSNTV2's

[18:57:07]

GreyFoxx:

as they have the same problem

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Slyboots:

The blue face of doom ;)

[18:57:18]

Cry_wolf2:

There...getting the sourcecoe..now i probebly can kiss my install totaly goodbye :=)

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GreyFoxx:

hmm looks like the define is removed from current svn

[19:01:13]

Slyboots:

So, Im screwed then

[19:01:41]

Massif:

or the problem is fixed? :P

[19:02:22]

GreyFoxx:

Slyboots: No, the work around is likely just auto detected now

[19:02:38]

GreyFoxx:

the problem is in the drivers for multiple chipsets. definately not "fixed" :)

[19:02:56]

laga:

auto detected? wow

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GreyFoxx:

Sorry I was just being blind

[19:05:33]

GreyFoxx:

It's stil there

[19:05:41]

GreyFoxx:

define USE_HACK_FOR_BROKEN_I420_SUPPORT_IN_DRIVER

[19:05:46]

GreyFoxx:

around line 72

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juski:

autodetection... pfffft! ;)

[19:06:07]

juski:

I hadn't noticed hell freezing over recently :)

[19:06:29]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[19:06:56]

laga:

juski: i installed zenslack last night. it went well till i noticed that i'm running trunk...

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juski:

woops

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Slyboots:

Ahh, thanks Grey :)

[19:07:30]

juski:

I definitely gonna do *something* with my s100 boxes one day

[19:07:42]

laga:

me too.

[19:08:02]

laga:

juski: want me to try to get IEGD included in mythbuntu?

[19:08:06]

juski:

about the time I kick the #mythtv-users habit I think

[19:08:18]

juski:

mythwhat-tu? ;)

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laga:

:P

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juski:

is the IEGD not already included in umbongo anyway?

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laga:

i doubt it.

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gary:

I need some assistance getting Mythplugins installed

[19:14:00]

gary:

speciffically mythweather

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laga:

ask a question then

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gary:

after running ./configure, attempt to run make leads to a ton of errors

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juski:

qmake mythtv.pro

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laga:

that's sad

[19:15:06]

juski:

just like the docs say

[19:15:10]

laga:

why can't people ask real questions?

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laga:

i need to get in front of that playstation 2 soon.

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juski:

I need to kill some civillians

[19:15:42]

gary:

give me time: an example: weather.h:21:22: error: qnetwork.h: No such file or directory

[19:15:46]

laga:

juski: what game?

[19:15:53]

juski:

RL

[19:15:57]

Massif:

lol

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laga:

gary: do you have qt installed? is it qt version 3 or 4?

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laga:

juski: nice

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gary:

yes; I followed the doc line for line — make, or qmake gives a ton of errors

[19:16:46]

juski:

gary: missing dependencies or wrong qt version..

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gary:

Both qt3 qnd qt4 show up when I run "rpm -qa"

[19:17:25]

juski:

arghhh you don't want qt4 anywhere near

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gary:

I wil see if I can uninstall qt4; I would do qt3 also and start from scratch, but for the dependancies

[19:18:38]

Slyboots:

Now for some reason it wont compile with alsa support, only oss

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Slyboots:

What the hell, Why wont it compile with alsa support..

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Slyboots:

What does mythtv need to use Alsa?

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armbar:

hello

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armbar:

is mythfill still broken?

[19:31:14]

laga:

it's supposed to be fixed

[19:31:25]

laga:

my mythfilldatabase works fine anyways

[19:31:29]

laga:

don't know about yours

[19:31:31]

armbar:

Data refresh needed because no data exists for day @ offset 11 from 8PM – midnight.

[19:32:37]

armbar:

Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2007-07–10 14:29 and ended on 2007-07–10 14:30. Successful.

[19:32:38]

armbar:

Suggested next mythfilldatabase run: 2007-07–11 20:35.

[19:32:40]

armbar:

There's guide data until 2007-07–14 21:47 (4 days).

[19:32:45]

armbar:

wtf?

[19:34:00]

gary:

Ok, I removed qt4; ran ./configure; ran qmake mythplugins.pro; ran make and got this error : make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.

[19:34:11]

gary:

removed qt4 — now it wants it

[19:34:26]

laga:

gary: set QTDIR

[19:35:33]

gary:

Checked QDIF – it is null; what should it be?

[19:36:09]

gary:

make that QTDIF is nul

[19:36:46]

laga:

QTDIR

[19:37:17]

armbar:

I should have guide data for 14 days now not 4 days right?

[19:38:04]

gary:

"echo $QTDIF" produces null output; what do I need to set it to?

[19:39:28]

laga:

gary: for fuck's sake! it's QTDIR! QTDI_R! RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

[19:39:28]

janneg:

gary: Q T D I R!!!

[19:39:43]

** laga takes a deep breath **

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laga:

sorry.

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Altair256:

you scared wireddd away

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Massif:

man I'm falling asleep

[19:42:26]

gary:

"echo $QTDIR" produces /usr/lib/qt3; what should it be

[19:42:42]

laga:

/usr/lib/qt3 sounds fine, maybe you need to make distclean

[19:43:03]

janneg:

gary: what says which qmake

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laga:

right.

[19:43:58]

Cry_wolf2:

Have a svn compile Q:

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Cry_wolf2:

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armbar:

Cry_wolf2: I cannot get OpenGL to say yes also.

[19:45:39]

gary:

Did "make distclean"; then make still produces error "make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.

[19:46:02]

laga:

< janne.g> gary: what says which qmake

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gary:

Not sure I understand question. Is this what your looking for: "make[1]: Entering directory `/home/gary/mythplugins-0.20a/mythweather'

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gary:

make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.

[19:50:23]

otwin:

gary: did you do a new 'configure' after 'make distclean' ?

[19:50:26]

laga:

gary: no, you run "which qmake" in your terminal

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gary:

new configure after makedistclean — yes;

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gary:

"qmake mythplugins.pro"

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Cardoe:

for the PVR-500, when setting up the Input Connections... There should be 2 Tuner 1's no?

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gary:

How about I remove everything about mythplugins; and then start from scratch with the plugins

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gary:

mythtv works fine

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janneg:

Cardoe: you might have to set up two cards

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otwin:

gary: what does 'which qmake' and 'qmake --version' say?

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a1fa_:

ok

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a1fa_:

so i am about to order a video card

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a1fa_:

AGP->8x, NVIDIA

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Cardoe:

janneg: /dev/video0 -> DVB via pcHDTV 5500

[19:56:36]

a1fa_:

which one should i get for under $50

[19:56:40]

Cardoe:

janneg: /dev/video1 -> Tuner 1 (first tuner 1)

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gary:

which qmake says "/usr/lib/qt3/bin/qmake"

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Cardoe:

janneg: /dev/video2 -> Television

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gary:

qmake -v says "Qmake version: 1.07a (Qt 3.3.7)"

[19:58:00]

Cardoe:

gary: what's your issue?

[19:58:01]

janneg:

Cardoe: that's in the capture card menu of mythtv-setup

[19:58:07]

a1fa_:

5200FX series or?

[19:59:08]

gary:

Cardoe – installing mythplugins; make produces lots of errors

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janneg:

Cardoe: it might be right. iirc onle one of the tuners of a pvr500 can do radio, so calling that one tuner1 and the other televison makes sense

[20:01:24]

RyeBrye:

?

[20:01:26]

Cardoe:

gary: I know there were some issues with QT 3.3.8

[20:01:29]

Cardoe:

janneg: makes sense

[20:01:38]

RyeBrye:

pvr500 does radio, but not in MythTV

[20:02:05]

Cardoe:

gary: I meant 3.3.7

[20:03:05]

a1fa_:

PNY VCG62256APB GeForce 6200 256MB 64-bit GDDR2 AGP 4X/8X Video Card – Retail

[20:03:11]

a1fa_:

GeForce 6200

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a1fa_:

is this good?

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RyeBrye:

I have one of those, it works fine

[20:03:36]

squidly:

its a bit old but its they usualy are good card

[20:03:40]

squidly:

I have 2 6800's

[20:04:00]

a1fa_:

i just need a quick replacement that can do 1080i

[20:04:03]

a1fa_:

my videocard burned up

[20:04:31]

a1fa_:

actually, only DVI port burned on my 4MX

[20:05:24]

Altair256:

what is the license of the MythTV logo at http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Logo ?

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a1fa_:

they just openeed a mini best buy here

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a1fa_:

they sell bunch of crap and only have 3 different video cards on display

[20:10:47]

mkrufky:

they'd rather you not buy anything at all if you're not going to purchase the service plan

[20:10:52]

mkrufky:

i used to work there

[20:11:11]

mkrufky:

dont go to retail stores if you want variety

[20:11:16]

gary:

bye

[20:11:20]

a1fa_:

roger

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mkrufky:

best buy is a cult

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a1fa_:

yeah sure is

[20:11:44]

a1fa_:

they have decent sale prices sometimes

[20:11:45]

Massif:

yeah, I usually buy from TigerDirect, even though I've heard bad things about them

[20:11:47]

mkrufky:

im not even joking

[20:11:49]

Massif:

they have good variety

[20:11:50]

mkrufky:

it _is_ a cult

[20:11:59]

mkrufky:

they make the sales people _want_ to sell you those service plans

[20:12:03]

mkrufky:

and they dont make any commission

[20:12:15]

mkrufky:

you should see how they all get together and talk about numbers

[20:12:34]

RyeBrye:

mkrufky : let me guess – around a campfire?

[20:12:42]

mkrufky:

oof... i remember back then they'd be calling each other after work on a day off, just to see what the numbers looked like for that day

[20:12:55]

Massif:

that's sad

[20:12:56]

mkrufky:

RyeBrye: no, at the bar next door

[20:13:00]

RyeBrye:

oh, gotcha

[20:13:03]

mkrufky:

Massif: it's a cult

[20:13:11]

RyeBrye:

Me like cult

[20:13:14]

RyeBrye:

me join cult

[20:13:18]

** RyeBrye joins cult **

[20:13:34]

** RyeBrye goes to check numbers **

[20:14:03]

mkrufky:

if you're gonna join that cult, make sure they give you a good starting hourly pay ....... they dont really believe in raises... and if you're lucky, maybe you'll get an extra 15 cents after a few months

[20:14:41]

mkrufky:

oh, and DO NOT HANG OUT with the other employees --- that's how they discover your weaknesses and put u on the chopping block before benefits kick in

[20:14:43]

RyeBrye:

I'm pretty sure it'd be a steep pay cut if i were to go work there :)

[20:15:07]

mkrufky:

well, that was my first job after college

[20:15:10]

RyeBrye:

really? How long does it take for benis to kick in?

[20:15:12]

Massif:

glad I never had to work there

[20:15:17]

mkrufky:

it was the shadiest job ive had in my entire life

[20:15:28]

RyeBrye:

I only go into BB on Black Friday

[20:15:32]

RyeBrye:

and usually it's my last stop

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mkrufky:

ah, well THATS worth it

[20:15:38]

RyeBrye:

and everything is gone by then anyway

[20:15:40]

mkrufky:

go at 4am

[20:15:44]

mkrufky:

lol

[20:15:57]

mkrufky:

i was lucky enough to get the late shift that day, instead of opening

[20:15:59]

mkrufky:

(i was management)

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RyeBrye:

I got a 200gig drive from Staples this year for like $20 or $30 or something – that's the line I was waiting in

[20:16:35]

RyeBrye:

It's amazing to me to remember how dirt poor i was back then...

[20:16:40]

mkrufky:

at this point, id rather pay the extra 80 bucks instead of waiting in line with the other customers ripping each others hair out

[20:16:41]

RyeBrye:

I've changed jobs twice since then

[20:16:52]

RyeBrye:

Yeah. I understand totally :)

[20:17:02]

mkrufky:

actually, working there was totally fun

[20:17:06]

mkrufky:

i loved it

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Massif:

lol

[20:17:10]

mkrufky:

and i'll never do it again

[20:17:25]

mkrufky:

omg.... i was soooo good at my job there...

[20:17:26]

mkrufky:

im glad i left

[20:17:38]

mkrufky:

otherwise i would probably have gotten stuck in retail for the rest of my life

[20:17:39]

RyeBrye:

Did you have to go to a recovery group?

[20:17:46]

mkrufky:

lol nah

[20:17:46]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, I thought about going to retail for a while

[20:17:57]

mkrufky:

retail is fine for an after-school job

[20:18:06]

mkrufky:

err... no offense to anyone that works in retail

[20:18:09]

RyeBrye:

but the thing that sucks about retail is that you have to work on days everyone else has off

[20:18:16]

mkrufky:

*I* loved it... too much.. and im soooo glad im out of there

[20:18:21]

Massif:

yeah, I much prefer the 9–5

[20:18:22]

RyeBrye:

weekends... holidays...

[20:18:32]

mkrufky:

yes, i prefer my office job, now

[20:18:39]

RyeBrye:

Hell – stores were even open on July 4th here

[20:18:43]

mkrufky:

writing code is soooooooo much better than selling it

[20:18:48]

RyeBrye:

yeah, true that

[20:19:02]

Massif:

i

[20:19:09]

Massif:

i'm working right now :P

[20:19:13]

mkrufky:

me too

[20:19:24]

mkrufky:

my windows box just crashed

[20:19:28]

mkrufky:

:-D

[20:20:23]

Massif:

what kind of programming do you do?

[20:20:29]

RyeBrye:

Me? or Mkrufky?

[20:20:38]

Massif:

both if you both do

[20:20:44]

** RyeBrye do web & application development in Java **

[20:21:03]

mkrufky:

well, for my professional job, i am senior systems engineer at a medical transcription

[20:21:21]

mkrufky:

for my hobby, i write v4l / dvb drivers, maintain & review work from others

[20:21:32]

mkrufky:

(some) work from others

[20:21:54]

mkrufky:

medical transcription COMPANY

[20:21:58]

mkrufky:

dunno how i left out that word

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Massif:

nice

[20:22:20]

RyeBrye:

mkrufky: the word "company" was removed by the compiler optimizations

[20:22:25]

Massif:

I'm working with Java too

[20:22:27]

RyeBrye:

you need to turn on -00

[20:22:37]

RyeBrye:

Massif – what Java stuff?

[20:22:42]

RyeBrye:

is xris around?

[20:23:14]

RyeBrye:

if not...lets talk about building a new MythWeb and a Java WebStart mythfrontend :)

[20:23:14]

Massif:

checkin software for airlines

[20:23:17]

RyeBrye:

Cool

[20:23:17]

mkrufky:

;-) RyeBrye

[20:23:56]

mkrufky:

i havent even seen the mythweb in trunk yet, although i hear people talking about it

[20:24:02]

mkrufky:

but i love mythweb as-is in 0.20

[20:24:27]

laga:

it's great in trunk

[20:24:31]

Massif:

I'd love to see a built in streaming app in mythweb

[20:25:12]

laga:

Massif: would flash streaming be sufficient?

[20:25:29]

Massif:

yeah, does one exist?

[20:26:20]

laga:

ins vn trunk, yes.

[20:26:23]

laga:

svn trunk*

[20:26:50]

Massif:

nice

[20:27:27]

RyeBrye:

is good too

[20:27:39]

mkrufky:

i think that's the 2nd most channel-topic-able question asked in here

[20:27:39]

RyeBrye:

I would help develop mythweb, but I don't like PHP

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Administrator:

shit I don't get it

[20:29:02]

Altair256:

me either

[20:29:08]

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[20:29:16]

Altair256:

>.>

[20:29:37]

thostr:

in live tv mode I'm unable to change between more than 3 of my channels

[20:29:57]

thostr:

in myttv-setup these channels happen to be the first ones, but I have 20 more channels...

[20:30:26]

xris:

RyeBrye: around, in and out

[20:30:58]

xris:

RyeBrye: I don't like PHP, either.. but I still use it. heh

[20:31:03]

thostr:

I've rebuild from last 20-fixes-branch and tried all settings I could find

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RyeBrye:

xris :) I was just giving you a hard time... mythWeb is obviously great :)

[20:31:30]

RyeBrye:

I use it more than Mythfrontend to schedule recordings and stuff

[20:31:37]

thostr:

when I'm on channel 3 and select 'next channel' it just wraps back to channel 1

[20:31:39]

thostr:

go figure

[20:32:09]

thostr:

scheduled recording from all other channels work normall

[20:32:11]

thostr:

y

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thostr:

any hints of where to look for clues?

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xris:

RyeBrye: It has its quirks, but yeah, I wrote it because the frontend sucks for scheduling.. well, "took it over". but I think most of the code by now is mine (plus patches)

[20:33:59]

RyeBrye:

cool

[20:34:08]

Staticwave_Ace:

does anyone know if its possible to adjust the horizontal/vertical alignment of video capture?

[20:34:19]

mkrufky:

i _only_ do my scheduling with mythweb

[20:34:19]

xris:

Staticwave_Ace: huh?

[20:34:20]

Staticwave_Ace:

example http://staticwave.ca/temp/test_1.mpg

[20:34:24]

RyeBrye:

The ajax stuff seems nice. I'm going to be working with the GWT to do a bunch of ajax stuff for work in a while...

[20:34:34]

Staticwave_Ace:

the video is captured shifted to the left and up

[20:34:37]

xris:

mkrufky: only thing I use the frontend for is cutting commercials and watching shows.

[20:34:38]

Staticwave_Ace:

er right and up

[20:34:39]

RyeBrye:

but I don't know how nicely GWT would work with what is existing in mythweb

[20:34:45]

mkrufky:

xris: me too :-)

[20:35:04]

xris:

Staticwave_Ace: what kind of tuner card, and what res are you capturingat?

[20:35:25]

Staticwave_Ace:

xris: pvr-500 /w phillips, 720x480 (highest?)

[20:35:59]

xris:

odd. it's probably a driver issue, then. assuming that you've verified the mpg files outside of mythtv

[20:36:25]

Staticwave_Ace:

xris: that capture is from cat /dev/video0

[20:36:48]

Staticwave_Ace:

I've been googling to no avail, haven't even seen a mention of similar issues

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mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: are you in ntscland?

[20:37:40]

Staticwave_Ace:

the other issue is that capture quality from channels 1–12 is lower than above (compare http://staticwave.ca/temp/test.mpg)

[20:37:43]

Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: yes

[20:38:00]

mkrufky:

just looks like interlacing problems to me

[20:38:44]

Staticwave_Ace:

okay, what does that mean? :)

[20:38:54]

mkrufky:

actually, wait... thats not what you asked about

[20:38:59]

mkrufky:

u say, shifted to the left, and up

[20:39:07]

mkrufky:

i played that first recording, and it looked fine

[20:39:25]

Staticwave_Ace:

the first recording, notice the black on the left, and bottom

[20:39:35]

Staticwave_Ace:

I meant shifted to the right and up

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thostr:

hm I've got a lot of channels visible in the channel editor that's not visible in the epg, these are after the first the channels (that are the only channels possible to browse through in live tv)

[20:40:08]

Toast:

Hi all, does anyone know of a way to create recording groups in mythweb?

[20:40:23]

mkrufky:

ok, i see it now

[20:40:34]

mkrufky:

the problem in the second recording is just a bad signal

[20:40:52]

Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: yes, second is bad signal, *but* its the same card, with the same input

[20:40:59]

mkrufky:

different channel

[20:41:04]

Staticwave_Ace:

yes, channels 1–12

[20:41:18]

thostr:

how can I delete a single channel from the channel editor?

[20:41:23]

Staticwave_Ace:

they're in a different frequency band from what I can tell

[20:41:33]

Staticwave_Ace:

thostr: mythtv-setup has that somewhere

[20:41:36]

mkrufky:

yes, that would explain the problem

[20:41:42]

mkrufky:

your tuner may be programmed incorrectly

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mkrufky:

which tuner is it?

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: pvr-500 /w phillips

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mkrufky:

(im talking about the tin can component of the pvr card)

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Toast:

Static: thanks.

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mkrufky:

w/ philips isnt descriptive enough, Staticwave_Ace

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: one moment...

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thostr:

staticwave: the 'delete channels' button deletes _all_ channels

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Staticwave_Ace:

thostr: there's a hide switch instead

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: tuner model is Philips FQ1236A MK4 (idx 92, type 57)

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thostr:

only way to delete seems to be either through direct sql or 'hiding' the channels by removing the channel number

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mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: i need you to pull out the card and read it from the card

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Staticwave_Ace:

oh..

[20:43:55]

mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: you just read it from dmesg

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Staticwave_Ace:

indeed

[20:44:09]

mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: and if the card is programmed wrong, then the driver will load the wrong tuner

[20:44:14]

Staticwave_Ace:

ooh

[20:44:17]

mkrufky:

meanwhile, unfortunately, i must leave in 10 minutes

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Staticwave_Ace:

but still work? thats very odd

[20:44:30]

mkrufky:

so, i dont think you'll pull it out and power on quickly enough

[20:44:42]

mkrufky:

its not that odd

[20:44:58]

mkrufky:

many of these tin can tuners are similar enough to each other to "work" with the same code

[20:45:07]

Staticwave_Ace:

is it possible to force a different model?

[20:45:09]

mkrufky:

it;s just a metter of whether you want it to work WELL or not

[20:45:14]

mkrufky:

yes, it sure is possible

[20:45:18]

mkrufky:

but you dont want to just guess

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Staticwave_Ace:

ah

[20:45:28]

mkrufky:

pull out the card and read the label from the tin can

[20:45:37]

mkrufky:

and you'll be able to get more helkp with this in #v4l

[20:45:43]

mkrufky:

(id help you, but im leaving soon)

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Staticwave_Ace:

thanks, I'm actually not physically near it right now anyways

[20:46:00]

mkrufky:

ah, ok

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Staticwave_Ace:

but this very productive non-the-less, since I have something to check now

[20:46:38]

mkrufky:

ok, well here is more info

[20:46:52]

mkrufky:

later on, join #v4l, take a look in the channel topic for the "supported cards lists"

[20:47:05]

mkrufky:

there is a list of "tuner=XX" options that you can pass to ivtv

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mkrufky:

based on the tuner on your card

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mkrufky:

...and if you find out that you do, in fact, have a Philips FQ1236A MK4 , then im sorry... that sucks

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Staticwave_Ace:

one can only hope right now

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mkrufky:

(there's nothing wrong with a Philips FQ1236A MK4, but if its programmed wrong, then it sucks for you)

[20:48:06]

mkrufky:

a guy you might want to look for in #v4l, hverkuil

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mkrufky:

(he's not there now)

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Slyboots:

Gotsomethign weird going on here..

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Slyboots:

When I run configure, I get cat: /etc/ld.so.confg.d/*.conf: no such file or directory

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Slyboots:

Over and over.. and over..

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TTT_Travis:

Hi my mythtv setup is run off a computer that is in a different room about 35 feet away – I ran RCA Composite cables for the video and sound, this much works fine — but I want to put a serial IR receiver in the room too, if I run a 30 foot serial extension will it work?

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mkrufky:

lol

[20:51:04]

mkrufky:

TTT_Travis: you know, you can have a dedicated frontend box behind your RV and just run RJ-45

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mkrufky:

TV (typo)

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Cry_wolf2:

serial should work a long distanse

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: thanks for your help

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thostr:

well so I'll just have to delete channel rows from the channel table in order to remove unwated channels

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mkrufky:

good luck. Staticwave_Ace

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TTT_Travis:

mkrufky yeah, but this setup is a little different

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TTT_Travis:

Cry_wolf2 like any estimates on how far?

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TTT_Travis:

ahhh found an answer

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TTT_Travis:

50 feet

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mkrufky:

gotta go

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a1fa_:

fuck

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a1fa_:

blackjack is radiating soo much

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a1fa_:

phone is 6feet away from the screeen and it is still

[21:03:26]

a1fa_:

shaking it up

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juski:

muhahahaha

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a1fa_:

yeah no joke

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a1fa_:

i feel like its boiling my head

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thostr:

ok that was the problem

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thostr:

thanks for all the help, dohhhh

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AngryElf:

what command will force liveTV to switch tuners?

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juski:

Y

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stuarta:

AngryElf: an occasional reading of keys.txt helps

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Slyboots:

wtf..

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Slyboots:

I dunno, think Im looking my mind

[21:09:55]

thostr:

Y

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Slyboots:

downlaoded the latest svc, compiled it.. ran make install

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Slyboots:

And.. nothing, I cant find it

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thostr:

it's y

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thostr:

obviously

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mintee_:

mkrufky, you got a few minutes to gimme a hand with this 5500?

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mintee_:

whoops

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Cry_wolf2:

Slyboots; Did the same as you...it works!

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Slyboots:

Well, /usr/local is empty

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** Cry_wolf2 is going to buy a lotteryticket **

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Slyboots:

Or why I keep getting these : cat: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf: No such file or directory messages

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thostr:

what kind of keyboards do you use with your mythtv frontends?

[21:15:06]

** juski uses a remote **

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Slyboots:

So, anyone any suggestions as to why myth will not install?

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TTT_Travis:

what do you guys use for remotes? just serial receivers or what?

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thostr:

bought a usb-uirt and just use an old dvd player remote

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thostr:

but now I've got a nice DLP-projector and a hefty 70"+ display so I need a keyboard for surfing etc

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wh0dat:

1

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Cry_wolf2:

I baught a hauppauge nova-T with remote

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Cry_wolf2:

bought

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mintone:

anyone using a pchdtv5500 card?

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Slyboots:

For christs sake..

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laga:

mintone: there's no need to cross post.

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laga:

ah, i'm outta here.

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juski:

can I be kickbanned? pweeeease?

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** mintone doesn't know what this cross post that you speak of is... **

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mintone:

did i already ask or something?

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mintone:

meh, anyway, i'm having a hard time getting any OTA, with EIT scanning

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mintone:

not really sure what i'm doing wrong

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mintone:

all the ASTC scans are timing out

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stuarta:

mintone: don't think you are gunna get much EIT data in the US

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mintone:

gotcha, well, haveint the same problem with QAM-256

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mintone:

scanning Cable HIGH

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mintone:

oh, icey

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juski:

confirming the tuner works in linux before trying it in mythtv is always a good idea

[21:42:32]

juski:

re mythtv using mysql.. funny but mediaportal has just started using an sql database :-P there must be _something_ in it

[21:42:35]

mintone:

juski, i have previously. it's getting analog without a problem if i plug in the cable... and my tv is picking up channels ota when i plug in the antenna

[21:43:08]

juski:

anyway.. bedtime. hopefully get in & out of work nice & early tomorrow

[21:43:11]

mintone:

juski, i'm sorry, but could you refresh my memory in the apps to use to test the card by console.

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mintone:

d'oh

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stuarta:

mintone: you use the dvb-utils to zap to the channels and see if you get lock

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mintone:

damnka

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stuarta:

then move onto a simple app like kaffeine

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stuarta:

then once you can see channels out of that, move to myth

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RyeBrye:

Any ideas on why my audio output device would be listed as just plain "NULL" on a new build of Mythfrontend on a MacBook Pro (OS X, intel based)

[21:45:40]

RyeBrye:

?

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stuarta:

that way, you *know* the drivers are working

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RyeBrye:

(and obviously has no sound output)

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stuarta:

RyeBrye: ran into that the other day

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stuarta:

just set it to something

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stuarta:

like /dev/dsp (even though it's BS)

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stuarta:

and it'll work

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RyeBrye:

k, thanks :)

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stuarta:

NFI why, and it needs fixing...

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stuarta:

luckily the whole OSX frontend is experimental :)

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RyeBrye:

Yeah – I'm glad to have it though :)

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stuarta:

i've got one too and it's not bad

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RyeBrye:

I jsut set my macbook pro up as a frontend remotely via ssh... and then some VNC for the gui-parts

[21:50:43]

stuarta:

funky

[21:50:58]

RyeBrye:

Yeah – lots of downtime here at work :)

[21:51:28]

stuarta:

lucky you, i'm the opposite way around.

[21:51:29]

RyeBrye:

It's a lot more fun to set up your mythtv crap when it's on dowtime at work... lets put it that way :)

[21:51:51]

stuarta:

heh, used to have lots of dev time while at work

[21:51:53]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, but I'm so bored I'm driving myself crazy here.... fortunately I'm switching jobs next week

[21:51:57]

stuarta:

then i got a proper job

[21:52:01]

RyeBrye:

I'll be much busier in my new job

[21:52:02]

RyeBrye:

yeah

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** stuarta goes back to trouting the dynamic buffer code **

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Altair256:

I hate to ask this again... but maybe someone will see it... :)

[21:55:51]

Altair256:

does anyone know the license of the logos at http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Logo

[21:56:09]

stuarta:

nope

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RyeBrye:

stuarta – that /dev/dsp thing seemed to do the trick... I can't hear from here, but my wife says she has sound now

[21:56:40]

RyeBrye:

thanks

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stuarta:

np, had me buggered for a while.

[21:57:31]

** stuarta contemplates if OSX() sound_device=magic() **

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RyeBrye:

probably does :)

[21:59:13]

RyeBrye:

It's OS X – everything's magic :)

[21:59:43]

stuarta:

yeah, how does it go from the default of NULL = no sound, to some other setting = sound?

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RyeBrye:

my guess is that the OSX frontend doesn't use that setting

[22:00:23]

stuarta:

maybe, but it has to be set for it to do something...

[22:00:24]

RyeBrye:

BUT – some piece of the code has some logic like... if device=="NULL" do nothing...

[22:00:26]

stuarta:

?

[22:00:32]

RyeBrye:

that's my guess

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RyeBrye:

so the part of the code that OS X uses gets skipped over or something... but I'd have to look at the code to know for sure

[22:01:03]

RyeBrye:

well... it's time for me to leave :)

[22:01:03]

stuarta:

righto, it's bugging me so i'm gunna raise a ticket....

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RyeBrye:

makes sense

[22:04:07]

stuarta:

ticket raised

[22:04:15]

stuarta:

#3716

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Altair256:

how does one donate to the MythTV project?

[22:05:00]

Altair256:

I do not see a link on the main page

[22:05:10]

stuarta:

by coding stuff

[22:05:34]

Altair256:

sorry, I was not specific enough...

[22:05:47]

Altair256:

how does one get money to Issac and Co

[22:05:52]

Altair256:

Isaac*

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stuarta:

no there is no *monetary* donation available

[22:06:12]

Altair256:

hrm... found something about fundable.org...

[22:06:18]

Altair256:

but that's... no longer available?

[22:06:48]

stuarta:

offers to fund trips to trade shows however may be appreciated.

[22:06:58]

Altair256:

ah... that was for bounties

[22:07:06]

Altair256:

here's where I'm going...

[22:07:09]

Altair256:

I want a case badge

[22:07:24]

stuarta:

http://www.juski.co.uk

[22:07:33]

stuarta:

case badgers for sale there.

[22:07:35]

stuarta:

:)

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Altair256:

ty

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** stuarta suffers ENOJACKDANIELS **

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Altair256:

wish he was using the other logo... lol

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Altair256:

i.e.; this one http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:MythTV_logo_square.png

[22:09:01]

Altair256:

but juski probably has thousands of those other ones now... lol

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Altair256:

o.O... juski's been buying weird shoes... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . 250130475048

[22:10:22]

Altair256:

and odd skirt thingies... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . 120130623634

[22:10:30]

Altair256:

lol

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** stuarta makes a note to take the piss outta jusi **

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** stuarta makes a note to take the piss outta juski **

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Altair256:

wow... thanks for that link stuarta...

[22:15:00]

stuarta:

np

[22:15:01]

Altair256:

I hadn't seen any real good screenshots of ProjectGrayhem theme

[22:15:09]

Altair256:

that and neon-wide are very pretty

[22:15:24]

Altair256:

I don't think my KnoppMyth install has any of the ProjectGrayhem stuff in it

[22:15:31]

stuarta:

aw crap, there's me in the photo!

[22:15:45]

stuarta:

and gbee in the background

[22:15:52]

Altair256:

which one are you?

[22:15:58]

Altair256:

the one standing or bending over? >.>

[22:15:59]

Altair256:

lol

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stuarta:

bending over = background

[22:16:54]

** stuarta looks like a fat bastard **

[22:17:51]

Altair256:

can't really see you... the person with the shades is in the way

[22:18:12]

stuarta:

erm thats me, the one standing up

[22:18:16]

Altair256:

oh

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Altair256:

you're only like 30% in the picture...

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stuarta:

playing with the mini mac frontend via remote control

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Altair256:

o.O click on the picture

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Altair256:

takes you to digg

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** stuarta makes a note to teach juski photography **

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hads:

'tis a pretty random shot

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stuarta:

indeed

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Altair256:

he got lots of the wall >.>

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Altair256:

and the pole

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hads:

Looks bad since it's been resized with HTML

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Altair256:

fullsize pic: http://downloads.mythtvtalk.com/mythtv/misc/lrl2007.jpg

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stuarta:

who cares, it's the only photo of us i've seen

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hads:

Well, s/bad/worse than it should/

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hads:

Browsers do a crap job of that usually.

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stuarta:

yeah, we shouldda stayed at home. wasn't worth the effort

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hads:

That's a shame.

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Altair256:

are you guys near Wolverhampton?

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Altair256:

isn't that where that pic was taken?

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stuarta:

yeah considering LinuxExpo last year was great.

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stuarta:

i'm in London, gbee & juski are *relatively* close

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** hads tries to do work **

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stuarta:

took juski 3hrs to get there....

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Altair256:

I think he was complaining about the parking [cost] earlier

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stuarta:

cheap compared to london

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stuarta:

i'm suffering motivation failure.

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stuarta:

can't be arsed doing anything

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Altair256:

what part of MythTV do you work on, stuarta?

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stuarta:

mainly EIT & dvb core

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Altair256:

EIT doesn't work in the US, right?

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stuarta:

generally no

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stuarta:

mainly cause the data is crap

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Slyboots:

Hmm.. seems I can get my hands on a Geforce 2 card

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Altair256:

lol

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Slyboots:

Wonder if that would be alright for Myth

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Altair256:

so DVB... any methods exist for watching the pay channels?

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Slyboots:

I mean.. beyond OpenGL accel for the menus

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Altair256:

I can't imagine they make a decryption module (like cable card) interface to the PC, do they?

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geek_:

hey i have a question

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geek_:

whenever i run mythtv setup

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stuarta:

for dvb-s you can get a CAM + legal viewing card

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geek_:

and try to add a new capture card

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geek_:

it doesn't update

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geek_:

it just looks as if a card wasn't even updates

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geek_:

*updates

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geek_:

*updated

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Altair256:

but not DVB-C?

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stuarta:

!trout buffer_resizing_code wtf

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** MythLogBot slaps buffer_resizing_code with a wtf trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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stuarta:

a few dvb-c, but not common

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Altair256:

so the limitation would be the cable company then?

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Altair256:

or in the case of DVB-S, the Sat company?

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Altair256:

which brings me to the specific question... do you know of any US Sat companies that support Bring-Your-Own-CAM?

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stuarta:

in the majority of cases you need to use the Set Top Box provided by <company> and capture it's output

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Altair256:

and use an IR Blaster

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Altair256:

bleh

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stuarta:

yep

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geek_:

does anyone know the answer

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geek_:

?

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Altair256:

and pay RENT for the stupid STB from the company

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stuarta:

seesh, someone has a low tolerance for waiting for an answer

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Altair256:

wow... he wasn't willing to even wait around to see if anyone would answer o.O

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stuarta:

we haven't even had time to think about the question....

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Altair256:

I've always thought IRC should be SIRC... "Sometimes" instant relay chat

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stuarta:

3 minutes in a channel???

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stuarta:

that's not even minimum lurking time

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Altair256:

lol, impatient

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** Altair256 nods **

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Altair256:

best to lurk for 5–10 minutes before even asking the question

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stuarta:

there are just some ppl you can't help.... *sigh*

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stuarta:

fuck.

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Altair256:

ah.. if only juski were here... I'm sure he would have some serious words of wisdom relating to end users

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stuarta:

just killed my frontend

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Altair256:

bring it back to life!

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stuarta:

nope, this is a sign i need to go to bed.....

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Altair256:

lol

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Altair256:

is DVB (at least in the terms you are referring to it) compatible with ATSC?

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stuarta:

at the MPEG level the two are equivalent

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stuarta:

but at the higher levels they are different

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stuarta:

ATSC = US & Japan (IIRC)

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stuarta:

DVB = rest of world

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Altair256:

right, that's why I'm asking

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Altair256:

is there ATSC support in MythTV (or Linux in general)?

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stuarta:

yes & yes

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Altair256:

ah...

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Altair256:

and ATSC would be just for cable then... do US Sat companies use DVB-S?

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Altair256:

ah, I think I found my answer

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Altair256:

Dish Network uses standard DVB (with Nagravision 2 encryption), while DirecTV uses an earlier, incompatible system that predates DVB, sometimes called DBS

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Altair256:

from the Wiki

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Altair256:

I wonder if a CAM + cable card solution (ala USB, etc) is available for Nagravision 2 encryption

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Slyboots:

Hmm, Odd. I reinstalled Myth from the package, setup the SQL server from the backup, re-ran the mythtv-setup

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mintone:

ok, i just picked up about 20 OTA channels, but the guide is empty

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stuarta:

ATSC is also available on terrestrial

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Slyboots:

But now when the main frontend menu comes up, there are no options

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janneg:

stuarta: no japan uses something different

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stuarta:

hence the IIRC

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janneg:

stuarta: could you please test if http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . lection.diff fixes the audio out selection

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stuarta:

janneg: not till tomorrow.

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stuarta:

bedtime

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Slyboots:

What controls what theme myth uses?

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Altair256:

stuarta, I think I found a Nagravision CAM PCMCIA card...

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stuarta:

janneg: remind me tomorrow in #mythtv

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Altair256:

is that the type of thing that would allow a DVB-S single encrypted with Nagravision to be decrypted with a valid cable card...

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Altair256:

... zzz

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Agrajag-:

Slyboots: Theme value in the settings table

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Altair256:

lol... Sun's still out here

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Altair256:

must be late in Europe

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Slyboots:

Almost midnight

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Altair256:

ah well.. I better get home

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Altair256:

been a long day

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Slyboots:

Ahh there we go :)

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Altair256:

later guys. Good luck

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Cry_wolf2:

00:52 in sweden :=)

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mintone:

ok, i have a PVR-150 and an pchdtv 5500 card.. It seems they are both working now, but when i go into mythfrontend it starts with the 5500 card. When I hit `C` to swap to the other tuner card, nothing happens. Any idears?

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mintone:

d'oh, nvrmnd

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mintone:

everything seems to be working fine, except.... i can't pick up any analog station past 13

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mintone:

got it, yay

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mintone:

Local Broadcast selection on data directs lineup selection is giving me a 404 :(

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Slyboots:

Shit -.-\

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Slyboots:

DVD's are blue as well

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Slyboots:

.. and not in the good porn way

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pembo13:

can anyone confirm that the DataDirect feed is still down?

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GreyFoxx:

it came back up yesterday afternoon

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pembo13:

darn

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pembo13:

guess i missed it

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pembo13:

i tried it yesterday evening

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pembo13:

just tried it again

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GreyFoxx:

I just ran mythfilldb after you askeed and it worked

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pembo13:

GreyFox, i'm pussing in my username asn password in mythtvsetup, and i'm tryign to get the listings

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pembo13:

i see 500 errors coming up on the console, and no listigns being found

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pembo13:

i already have the username/password registered, just setting a up a new mythtv install

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pembo13:

and i need to put in the listing service, which i can't seem to type in manually

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pembo13:

when i hit the "get listing" button, it comes up empty, with a 500 error on teh console

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pembo13:

is there anything i can do? the setup isn't allowing me to enter it in manually

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't tried to pull back a list of listings

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GreyFoxx:

hold on and I'll test mine using mythtv-setup

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pembo13:

GreyFoxx, i would suggest against it, but go ahead

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pembo13:

GreyFoxx, found out how to put it in manually – directly into the db

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GreyFoxx:

pembo13: It can't aversely affect me, so I don't mind trying it :)

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pembo13:

GreyFoxx, well i'm thinking it can not get the listings, and you lose that setting

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pembo13:

GreyFoxx, only reason i haven't tried it from my other box

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GreyFoxx:

I can get around that :)

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pembo13:

well, i'm attempting to do so myself

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pembo13:

can a different dbname be used? or can two boxes share the same db ? (two independant masters)

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GreyFoxx:

You have 2 master backends ?

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pembo13:

one per machine, yah

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pembo13:

seperate machines

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pembo13:

but i'd like to host the db on one, seperate machine

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GreyFoxx:

Why would you have 2 master backends rather than 1 master and one slave ?:)

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GreyFoxx:

Retrieving lineups works for me

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GreyFoxx:

via mythtv-setup

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pembo13:

GreyFoxx, that's wierd

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pembo13:

GreyFoxx, did you check the console to see if you got a 500 error? the GUi doesn't show any sign of error

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pembo13:

GreyFoxx, they are two independant boxes

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GreyFoxx:

It works perfectly fine for me, and yes I checked

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pembo13:

hmm, why would that be

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pembo13:

i wonder

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pembo13:

oh well

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GreyFoxx:

Did you add your lineup on the zap2it website ?

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pembo13:

goign to try mythfilldb now

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pembo13:

GreyFoxx, yes, as i said, i'm using the same user on another box without any probs

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GreyFoxx:

You have to do it there before you can use mythtv-setup to pull the list of lineups :)

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pembo13:

what do you mean?

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pembo13:

i'm getting 500 errors with mythfilldatabase too

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pembo13:

what's going on

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pembo13:

switching machines..

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GreyFoxx:

login to your zap2it account

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GreyFoxx:

sounds like either you have let your account expire

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GreyFoxx:

or you account doesn';t have any lineups on it

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pembo13_com:

on the new machij

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pembo13_com:

machine*

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pembo13_com:

what's the url to login again?

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GreyFoxx:

labs.zap2it.com

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