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Sunday, July 8th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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razzam21:

hello

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razzam21:

i just got my system up and running and have a weird issue

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razzam21:

i have spend several hours looking of the cause with no luck so here i am

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razzam21:

there are a handleful of channels that are jumpy in livetv and recorded but the rest are okay

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razzam21:

when i check those channels on a regular tv they are fine

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razzam21:

any ideas?

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regicide666:

what type of input and explain jumpy

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razzam21:

i have 2 wintv 150's and a 500

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razzam21:

with coax hooked to them

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razzam21:

the sound stays in since but the video jumps all over

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regicide666:

it may be the frequency it is set to

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razzam21:

if a person is on the screen then head jumps all over the place

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regicide666:

like cable or broadcast

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razzam21:

didn't think of that

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regicide666:

I think you can set the default in mythtv-setup

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razzam21:

it is only us-cable now

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razzam21:

so you are thinking it might need to be us-bcast

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regicide666:

if you are using broadcast and not cable

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razzam21:

i am using cable

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razzam21:

cable one in my area

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regicide666:

it may also be the type of card it is identified as when ivtv is loaded

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regicide666:

have you tried the same channel on all the tuners

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razzam21:

yeap

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razzam21:

same thing happens on all of them

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razzam21:

i don't remember installing ivtv unless it was installed automatically this time

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razzam21:

i installed it last time i had my system running on fedora 5 but this time when i rebuilt it i switched to ubuntu

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razzam21:

the package manager doesn't have it listed as installed

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regicide666:

yea ubuntu may come with it already

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regicide666:

it would not be working at all without it

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razzam21:

how can i tell how ivtv is loading it then

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regicide666:

maybe install it from the package manager and see if it clears things up

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razzam21:

k

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regicide666:

dmesg or in /var/log/messages

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regicide666:

look for the lines that say ivtv

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regicide666:

# grep ivtv /var/log/messages

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regicide666:

I have to go good luck

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razzam21:

thanks

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squidly:

anyone konw if I can put mythweb and the sql server on a remote host from the backend and still have mythweb be usable for manageing recoarding?

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razzam21:

does anyone know anything about ivtv that could potentially help me

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TUplink_:

ZAZZAM21 what os

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TUplink_:

i just instaled one on fedora

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razzam21:

ubuntu

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razzam21:

i just rebuilt the system and switched from redora to ubuntu

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razzam21:

i am having an issue with a few of the channels the video is jumpy but the sound is fine in both recorded shows and livetv but everything seems fine on my tv

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razzam21:

regicide666 – was helping me before he left and said that it might be ivtv

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Solv:

is there a way to keep the signal quality info displayed on the screen...so I can adjust my antenna to the best position?

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rmoquin:

hello, has anyone here "mysteriously" lost their sound on mythtv after a reboot when it was working?

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rmoquin:

the sound was working before the reboot I mean

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razzam21:

i have

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razzam21:

and to me i changed the output and it fixed it

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rmoquin:

razzam21: any idea what the problem was? this seems to be happening to me

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rmoquin:

razzam21: changed the output? how so?

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razzam21:

still haven't figured out what is causing it

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razzam21:

what port it is plugged in to

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TUplink_:

is it the sound mixer reseting volumes?

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razzam21:

i have a motherboard sound card and an pci card

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rmoquin:

razzam21: you mean which input on your sound card?

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razzam21:

yeap

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razzam21:

sometimes the motherboard is the one and others the pci

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razzam21:

very weird

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rmoquin:

TUplink_: I don't believe so, they look good to me and sound from X works perfectly.

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TUplink_:

thats what is hapaning to mine

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TUplink_:

but ok

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rmoquin:

TUplink_: the sound ONLY doesn't work in myth, if I remove and reinstall myth, then the sound magically works until I reboot

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TUplink_:

have you checked to make sure its not coming from the other sound card?

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rmoquin:

TUplink_: it might be something I'm missing, but I was in this channel for hours and noone was able to find anything wrong with my system to cause it :) I reinstalled myth and it started working again, I shut down, went on vacation for a week, started my machine and now it doesn't work again :)

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rmoquin:

TUplink_: very frustrating... for my sanity sake, I have to know what is causing it

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rmoquin:

TUplink_: that and to enjoy it obviously

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TUplink_:

i really have no idea... im new to myth

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rmoquin:

wish there was a way to test things from myth to help understand what the problem might be.. though I could look at the logs again actually just in case

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rmoquin:

TUplink_: bummer

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Tanthrix:

rmoquin: Are you losing all sound, or just sound on new recordings?

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rmoquin:

Tanthrix: all sound

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Tanthrix:

Oh, ok. NM then.

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rmoquin:

Tanthrix: damn, got me excited there for a sec

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Tanthrix:

Hehe, sorry.

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rmoquin:

Tanthrix: np

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rmoquin:

what's funny, is that when playing a video, it uses mplayer... so shouldn't sound come from mplayer not myth and therefore work even if myth is screwed up?

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Tanthrix:

Myth has an internal player – only uses mplayer (or whatever you specify) to play stuff in mythvideo that isn't set to use the internal player

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rmoquin:

Tanthrix: when I reinstalled, it was set to mplayer... I wonder if I leave myth if mplayer will work (I'd imagine so since sound is fine in X)...

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my2keh:

how do I only record "new" episodes?

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rmoquin:

I need a good test to figure this one

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rmoquin:

ugh

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Tanthrix:

Start myth up with 'mythfrontend --verbose all > file.txt' then start up a recording for a few seconds, exit out, and paste bin everything in that file.

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my2keh:

like I said "record all on all channels" but it's "dumb" because the show plays on multiple channels at the same time

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my2keh:

which then generates a bunch of conflicts

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rmoquin:

Tanthrix: ok

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my2keh:

i know it's a dumb question heh

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Massif:

do the episodes have real descriptions or just the generic description for the show?

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my2keh:

generic

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my2keh:

like big brother 8 plays on 5 channels at 8 o'clock heh

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xris:

my2keh: there's a flag in svn to ignore reruns... but honestly, the best thing to do is to just mark stuff you don't want as "already recorded" (easiest via mythweb)

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xris:

svn also has a flag for "ignore generic"

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Massif:

or just tell it the specific channel

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jams:

and specific timeslot

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my2keh:

yeah, specific channel might be a good idea

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xris:

my2keh: "in this timeslot every week/day"

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my2keh:

but it plays multiple times per week

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my2keh:

like 3 times per week or something

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my2keh:

this sounds good too "Find and record one showing of this title each day. "

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my2keh:

hmmm

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my2keh:

only plays once a day

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xris:

my2keh: um, timeslot means "this time, this channel"

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rmoquin:

Tanthrix: http://pastebin.ca/608077

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my2keh:

yeah, i know that is what it means

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xris:

my2keh: it plays multiple new episodes per week?

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Massif:

why not use "record at any time on this channel"

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xris:

then set up a schedule for each showing?

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Massif:

that's what I usually use

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my2keh:

saying "Find and record one showing of this title each day." gives me 2 episodes on Sunday

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xris:

my2keh: yeah. look closer. which one will it actually record?

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my2keh:

Massif>> because it plays on 6 different channels at 8

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xris:

it will show 2 "found"

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my2keh:

xris>> both are "green"

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my2keh:

I'm looking at upcoming recordings

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xris:

in mythweb?

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my2keh:

uhh huh

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xris:

maybe multiple schedules match ?

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my2keh:

I have 2 tuners

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my2keh:

and the number beside it is the tuner number, correct?

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Massif:

my2keh > not "any time on ANY channel", "any time on THIS channel"

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my2keh:

hmm maybe that'll work too

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Solv:

is there a way to display the signal strength of a multiplex on the screen...so I can move my antenna....i'm getting a lot of artifacts and eventually myth gets tired and quits

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Tanthrix:

rmoquin: Nothing jumps out at me, sorry.

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rmoquin:

Tanthrix: didn't think so.. I think I'll remove and reinstall myth, but leave the database this time and confirm that fixes the sound, then try rebooting and see what happens

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Solv:

it displays when you change channel...for about 2 seconds....i want it to stay there and so i can see it change in real time...

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Massif:

use a command line program instead

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Massif:

like dtv-signal

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Solv:

Massif, doesn't that just display the hex values?

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Massif:

no, it should show a percentage value for signal

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Massif:

what kind of card>

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Massif:

?

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Solv:

technisat airstar2

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Solv:

b2c2flexcop chip

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Massif:

oh, might be different then

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Solv:

well i have only used tzap before...so this might be better

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Solv:

can't see that in portage...but i'll give dvbsnoop and dvdbtune a go

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my2keh:

hey you guys use LVM?

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Solv:

nope

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my2keh:

do you have multiple harddrives?

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Solv:

yep

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my2keh:

well spill, how do you do it?

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Solv:

sorry

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my2keh:

how do you have multiple HD's if you don't use LVM?

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Solv:

my first hdd is my os (gentoo) with manual partitions...and the second is just one big hdd that is dedicated to my mythrecordings..one partition in ext3

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my2keh:

ohh ok

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my2keh:

i have 4 250 GB drives

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my2keh:

that I want to add

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my2keh:

i'm thinking LVM is the way to go

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Solv:

my2keh, you might be interested in a piece of hardware that you can put em all into and it kinda raids em together as one big drive

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Solv:

saw it on dl.tv...can't remember the name of it

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Massif:

drobo

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Solv:

yeah

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Solv:

nice one

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Massif:

thx

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Massif:

good ol dl.tv

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Solv:

get a drobo dude...does it all for you

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Solv:

=)

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Massif:

kind of expensive though

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snarkster:

how do i configure my mythbox to start the s-video out on the card to the tv all the time.. No other monitor.

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Solv:

i never looked for the price...hehe

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regicide666:

lvm is cheaper and not difficult

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Massif:

and uses a big chunk of space

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snarkster:

LVM is a pain

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jams:

drobo only allows a usb connection to your computer

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Massif:

snarkster: I was having the same problem and I never found a solution

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regicide666:

getting mythtv to work perfectly is more of a pain

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Solv:

what!

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Solv:

that's insane

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Massif:

I just left my monitor hooked up

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Speedy2:

Avoid the complexity of RAID? What's complicated about RAID?

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my2keh:

I don't need raid though

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my2keh:

it's just TV heh

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Solv:

snarkster, do you need the other monitor for anything?

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snarkster:

no I have a dedicated server grade box for my myth

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Speedy2:

snarkster: What kind of video card? You just have to configure X to output to the TV and issue a "startx"

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snarkster:

but i just wanna use the tv as the monitor

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my2keh:

$499, I think i'll pass, but it does have cool factor

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snarkster:

FX5500

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Solv:

well don't plug it in and make the tv-out your primary display

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Solv:

that's how i have my box setup

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Speedy2:

snarkster: I have a 6200TC and by default everything is output to S-Video (start-up, BIOS, etc)

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snarkster:

ah right, how do i do that.. never got that far with configureing X before

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snarkster:

oh so it dumping out both vga (DVI) and S-video at the same time?

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snarkster:

no need to run NVTV, or anyhting like that?

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Solv:

snarkster, basically go into /etc/X11/xorg.conf and just make sure the resolutions for your screen are "800x600" and "640x480", and disconnect your other monitor...restart X and it should just pop up on you tv

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Speedy2:

snarkster: On my setup I just have it dumping straight to S-video. If you want somthing similar, there's just a few tweaks in the xorg.conf file

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snarkster:

yes

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Solv:

snarkster, no need to run nvtv if only using the tv....kinda treat it like it's a monitor....hold on I will past the relevant lines from my xorg.conf

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snarkster:

cool beans

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Speedy2:

snarkster: You can use nvidia-config to create your xorg.conf for you too BTW

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Speedy2:

nvidia-xconfig

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snarkster:

ok

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Speedy2:

snarkster: If you disconnect everything BUT S-video and reboot your machine, do you by default get video on s-video? (i.e. can you see your BIOS, etc)?

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snarkster:

havent got that far with it..

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snarkster:

but ill be trying that in just a few minutes.

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Solv:

also add these lines to your xorg.cong under your "DEVICE" section

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Solv:

Option "TVOutFormat" "SVIDEO"

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Solv:

Option "TVStandard" "PAL-G"

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snarkster:

nice..

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Solv:

change PAL to NTSC if applicable

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snarkster:

im ntsc but i get it

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Solv:

Option "ConnectedMonitor" "ROWA"

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Solv:

ROWA is the name of my TV..

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Solv:

but call it the name of the monitor you have setup

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Solv:

so under the "Screen" section setup a device with "800x600"....and the monitor name either TV or the brand f your tv

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snarkster:

i see.. cool

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Solv:

Option "NoLogo" "1"

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Solv:

will stop nvidia splash logo from coming on

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clever:

damnit

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clever:

backend is crashing again

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Solv:

snarkster, also make sure you setup a "monitor" section that has a sane horizsync

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Solv:

usually about 30–50/60hz for a crt

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clever:

2007-07–07 20:54:52.390 MythSocket(888a008:16): writeStringList: No data written on writeBlock

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Dagmar:

The TV is going to be 60Hz in the US, or 50Hz in the UK.

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Dagmar:

There is nowhere that uses 30Hz that I'm aware of.

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Solv:

Dagmar, yeah i tohught it mightbe that

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Speedy2:

snarkster: I suggest using the nvidia tool to create the xorg.conf .

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rooaus:

Solv: l thought the conenctedmonitor option string could be "CRT" or "DFP" or "TV" for non twinview setups?

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Solv:

rooaus, yeah true...can't remember why I did that....hmm...was a while ago

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Solv:

truth be told...you shouldn't actually need the option if the tv is the only thing connected via s-video

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rooaus:

Solv: Yeah thats true, it just overrides the driver detection mechanism. If you boot without the TV connected or with a KVM, it allows you force the driver to use the monitor.

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jerkface:

did zap2it already take everything down? I can't fill my database :(

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rooaus:

snarkster: If you are using a later driver the "UseDisplayDevice" may help with forcing the display onto the right (for you) device if you ever connect a monitor and tv at the same time.

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GreyFoxx:

jerkface: no, they are just having server issues

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jerkface:

i see. thanks GreyFoxx

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rmoquin:

GreyFoxx: doh ... trying to resetup myth... explains why it's hanging try to get the lineup data

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kslater:

yeah, I have a buddy across town trying to setup myth for the first time and he ran into the same thing

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rmoquin:

yeah sucks.. trying to diagnose this annoying myth issue.. so ready to just dump myth.. don't have time for the screwing around it takes to get it working and keep it working

[02:48:26]

rmoquin:

wasted days trying to reset it up on a machine that it used to work fine on

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kslater:

GreyFoxx: thinking about pulling some data out of my db and shipping it to him; sounds like a big amount of effort though. Thoughts?

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hads:

rmoquin: Threats to dump myth are usually met with "Go ahead, no loss"

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kslater:

hads: that's why I didn't bother

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kslater:

don't want to talk him down if he's serious about jumping

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kslater:

rmoquin: I feel for you. I have some close friends that a pretty tech savvy and some haven't got it working

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kslater:

there are a lot of moving parts and you have to be able to work thru them at times.

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clever:

Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 'MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 34':

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hads:

External Tuning program exited with no error

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clever:

hads: that happens alot

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rmoquin:

hads: it's not a threat, I'm just saying I'm frustrated.. I know noone cares, I'm just saying it just sucks that I love mythtv, but it's so hard to keep it working

[03:09:44]

rmoquin:

either way, I FINALLY figured out the cause of my sound problems with mythtv, I just deleted the database and reinstalled mythtv... and the sound worked, I went through and reconfigured myth and noticed the sound stopped... guess what the problem is?

[03:10:04]

rmoquin:

selecting the "output to the pvr-350 tv out" option

[03:10:14]

rmoquin:

switching that on and off completely breaks the sound in myth

[03:10:20]

rmoquin:

or fixes it

[03:10:39]

rmoquin:

now, I think the problem is because I'm using my xwindows output to the pvr350

[03:10:47]

rmoquin:

I didn't have that problem until I did that

[03:11:15]

rmoquin:

if I have the option to output to th pvr350 unchecked, I get sound, but the video doesn't fill the screen properly

[03:11:25]

rmoquin:

if it's checked, the video fills the screen properly but no sound

[03:13:20]

rmoquin:

has anyone outputted their xwindows output to the pvr350 and also used the "Use the PVR-350's TV out" option?

[03:13:45]

rmoquin:

should I not do both together?

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GreyFoxx:

It's too bad that you have already spent the money on the 350

[03:14:11]

rmoquin:

why?

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GreyFoxx:

IT's just not worth the money or effort

[03:14:18]

rmoquin:

I bought it several years ago actually

[03:14:22]

rmoquin:

is there a better option?

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GreyFoxx:

unless you are using some PC circa 1999

[03:14:30]

rmoquin:

that's the one I always hear about

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GreyFoxx:

rmoquin: any recent Nvidia card is usually what is recommended

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GreyFoxx:

I don't think they've even made new 350's in almost 2 years now

[03:15:41]

rmoquin:

GreyFoxx: really?

[03:15:45]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[03:15:57]

rmoquin:

I guess my Ti200 I have in there is worthless as well though

[03:15:59]

GreyFoxx:

You loose OpenGL and most hardware acceleration

[03:16:05]

rmoquin:

yeah I do hate that about it

[03:16:13]

GreyFoxx:

plus the 350 is a pain for audio most of the time

[03:16:21]

rmoquin:

is there a decent card I could pick up that isn't overly expensive?

[03:16:30]

GreyFoxx:

And a Pvr 150 + standard nvidia card is cheaper

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Speedy2:

rmoquin: What interface? PCI? AGP? PCIe?

[03:16:58]

rmoquin:

GreyFoxx: yeah I'm noticing that.. this problem has literally cost me 20 – 30 hours of screwing around for that to be only that

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rmoquin:

Speed2: it should be a PCI

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Speedy2:

rmoquin: MX4000.

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snibble:

I am having problems getting mythfilldatabase to grab anything from zap2it

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GreyFoxx:

snibble: They have been having issues allday

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snibble:

Cool

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snibble:

I am not crazy then

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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snibble:

Being paranoid I though this might have something to do with them taking away the free service

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snibble:

I just stumbled onto the announcement today ... sucks

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, was nice while it lasted :)

[03:20:04]

snibble:

A while back I was working with a buddy of mine to start sell mythTV machines

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snibble:

We wanted to be 100% legit so we contacted them ...

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snibble:

We actually got to the point where we had an offer from them $$ wise

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snibble:

i.e. if we sold the machines they wanted us to roll in some $$ for them

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rmoquin:

Speed2: hmm ok.. I'll look that one up...

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shiznix:

hi all, just wondering where/how the livetv buffer size is configured now (removed in 0.19 according to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . on_Backend), i killed watching TV through mythtv once the it chewed up around 18GB of diskspace + growing

[03:21:21]

rmoquin:

so should I abandon getting the PVR to work correctly then?

[03:21:39]

snibble:

Does anyone have an ETA on when datadirect will actually start working

[03:21:40]

snibble:

?

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GreyFoxx:

shiznix: there is no ring buffer any more all LiveTV is just recordings, broken on show borders

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rmoquin:

or anyone aroudn this issue?

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GreyFoxx:

they auto expire in 24 hours by default

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GreyFoxx:

shiznix: and they also auto expire if space is required for a recording

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shiznix:

hmm...ok, that sounds bad

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GreyFoxx:

Why would it be bad ?

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shiznix:

so there's no way to limit the amount of diskspace used anymore

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GreyFoxx:

They remove themselves after all

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GreyFoxx:

shiznix: You can set a minimum freespace value and items will be auto expired to ensure that amount is left free on the drive

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rmoquin:

er anyway around this issue? such as what's the recommended way to setup the pvr350 and use the decoder if you are going through Xwindows or should I abandon the whole thing and just get another card?

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GreyFoxx:

rmoquin: I think most people end up doing some combination of looping it through their regular soundcard so that recordings that use the mpeg decoder have audio and videos that do not use the decoder do as well

[03:29:25]

rmoquin:

GreyFoxx: I am, but I'm confused on the TV out thing through the PVR350, if I turn on that TV out, it breaks ALL the sound in myth

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shiznix:

GreyFoxx: thanks, i see that would work, but hard to maintain if the partition is also used for data other than mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

shiznix: Think of it this way

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shiznix:

so the best way forward now is to create a partition specifically used for mythtv only

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GreyFoxx:

there is a maximum myth can use

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rmoquin:

GreyFoxx: the thing is, I'm using the 350 through Xwindows so basically I shouldn't need the option and if I don't use the option then I get sound

[03:30:30]

rmoquin:

GreyFoxx: far as I know, I SHOULD be using the option

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GreyFoxx:

rmoquin: You only need to use that if you want to use the mpeg decoder on the card

[03:30:52]

GreyFoxx:

you do not have to use it

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rmoquin:

GreyFoxx: though if I don't the performance won't be as good though right?

[03:31:13]

GreyFoxx:

shiznix: 24 * 1hour*yourlivetv bitrate

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GreyFoxx:

rmoquin: Are you using some really underpowered machine ?

[03:32:01]

rmoquin:

GreyFoxx: it's a 1.8mhz P4 .... I'm kinda broke from house renovations so I'm avoiding upgrading my machine

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rmoquin:

GreyFoxx: the video doesn't fill the screen either if I don't have it selected

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GreyFoxx:

That is more than fine for SDTV without the need of hardware help

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Speedy2:

rmoquin: An MX4000 PCI should be cheap and it supports XvMC.

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Speedy2:

rmoquin: I have a PNY sitting next to me, it has TV-out, S-video, low-profile, passively cooled.

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GreyFoxx:

rmoquin: You can check and see if you have any of the gui offset or overscan settings in myth turned on. Those can be a pain

[03:33:18]

rmoquin:

Speedy2: I think I only have AGP 4x.. will that still work? it lists that card as 8x

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rmoquin:

GreyFoxx: ah.. so maybe I'll just leave it how it is and get that other card

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thinc:

snibble: how much did they want?

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Speedy2:

rmoquin: You said "it must be PCI".

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Speedy2:

rmoquin: Are you saying you need an AGP card now?

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rmoquin:

Speed2: right, but my nvidia Ti200 is plugged into a 4x AGP

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rmoquin:

but I'm not using it

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Speedy2:

ugh.

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Speedy2:

Dude.

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rmoquin:

if I buy the other, then I'll swap that one

[03:35:21]

Speedy2:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814139174

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Speedy2:

$40

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Speedy2:

That's PCI

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Speedy2:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814139149

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Speedy2:

This is AGP

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Speedy2:

Pick your poison.

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rmoquin:

Speedy2: I didn't do a thorough look at the options, which I should have done before asking a question

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Speedy2:

Alright, well you've got two solutions. eBay can probably get you a card cheaper.

[03:38:37]

Speedy2:

If your card has XvMC then the CPU will barely be touched for decoding.

[03:38:50]

ShockValue:

ok, i have 1 firewire stream, and 1 hd3000. my firewire sees "NW Cable News" as Channel #2, but my HD3000 sees it as 79#0. Anyway I can make them both be on the same channel? so if I change to channel 2, it goes to NW Cable news reguardless of which stream im watching?

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ShockValue:

barely be touched? I use XvMC and it helps my CPU maybe 5%

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rmoquin:

Speedy2: so XvMC would be on the PVR350 then if I had it? nah, not concerned about spending $40, just was asking questions too prematurely earlier about the AGP slot

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rmoquin:

I think I'll just stick with the PVR350, with the other option off and then order the appropriate MX4000 card... I'm just glad at this point I figured out that problem

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Speedy2:

XVMC == XVideo Motion Compensation

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Speedy2:

The 350 has it's own MPEG-2 decoder.

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Speedy2:

XvMC is a set of features supported by a video card and its driver

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rmoquin:

ahhh ok

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Speedy2:

ShockValue: Well I used xvmc to play back MPEG2 High-Def streams (1080p) and my CPU utilization was ~ 20% (this was through mplayer)

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rmoquin:

thanks for the info.. going to run to bed happy knowing I finally got rid of that problem for now

[03:44:07]

rmoquin:

thanks

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ShockValue:

Speedy2 – you must have 1 hell of a machine. my 2.8ghz p4 w a 7600gs + xvmc can barely do 1080i

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Speedy2:

ShockValue: Umm, maybe XvMC isn't setup right? The CPU is a Pentium-M 1.6 GHz.

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ShockValue:

hrm, possibly, if your 1.6 can do it :)

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ShockValue:

ive watched the output in a terminal, and it says its using xvmc

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Speedy2:

mplayer?

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ShockValue:

no, myth

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Speedy2:

ShockValue: My video card is a 6200 TC

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Speedy2:

ShockValue: I haven't tried through Myth yet. But I think Myth uses OpenGL textures which adds a bunch of overhead.

[03:46:25]

ShockValue:

i upgraded from an mx4000 to a 7600gs and saw basically no difference in performance

[03:47:08]

luxcalo:

Has anyone heard when the datadirect problems are going to be resolved?

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ShockValue:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Data_Direct

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luxcalo:

I toasted my DB and I really need my programming back ... children screaming ... wife upset ... not pretty

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ShockValue:

AFAIK there are no /current/ data direct problems.. thats not happening until september

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luxcalo:

I was told by GreyWolf they have been having problems all day

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luxcalo:

Sorry GreyFoxx

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ShockValue:

oh, yeah my bad

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ShockValue:

i thought you meant the shutdown thing.

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ShockValue:

im trying to fill database currently, and its timing out

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luxcalo:

Both are Canines :)

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luxcalo:

Yep ... me too

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snarkster:

ok im back

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luxcalo:

Only problem is that my DB is empty :'(

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ShockValue:

is a fox a canine? i was always unsure if it was canine or feline :)

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snarkster:

it doesnt goto the tv automatically

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luxcalo:

:)

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luxcalo:

Does anyone have any more knowledge with regards to the datadirect download probs?

[03:50:50]

snarkster:

I was very down hearted because zap2it was shutting down, so Im just going to use it for my entire dvd collection

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snarkster:

got really quiet in here..

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ShockValue:

trying to trick comcast into giving me their QAM listing information.. but i dont think he's gonna play with me

[04:06:27]

snarkster:

hmm ijust became a comcast subscriber.. timewarner just vacated Houston

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clever:

lol

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ShockValue:

im sorry

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snarkster:

well we will see what we see.

[04:07:59]

ShockValue:

well, your comcast might be ok.. but my local comcast sucks.. they're encrypting everything thats not supposed to be encrypted.

[04:08:30]

clever:

lol damn them:P

[04:08:36]

snarkster:

ah, well that part of my myth box isnt operable.. misisng that hardware.

[04:08:40]

snarkster:

for the moment

[04:09:22]

ShockValue:

here's my latest high-level chat with comcast.. it makes me laugh: http://pastebin.ca/608215

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ShockValue:

(I'm "Pete" in that conversation)

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rooaus:

snarkster: What do you "It doesn't goto TV automatically"?

[04:10:33]

snarkster:

my video card isnt dumping to tv automatically..

[04:11:04]

snarkster:

i dont want a monitor hanging around when i get this finished.. i just wann turn it on and have it go directly to the tv.

[04:11:37]

ShockValue:

my video card wouldnt send to the TV until i unplugged the monitor and rebooted.. then it automatically went to the TV

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snarkster:

yah mine did to.. untill X started.. then i lost eveything and its black and white..

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ShockValue:

oh

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clever:

in my nvidia card i was able to set it up as a dualmoniter system

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clever:

:0.0 is the crt and :0.1 is the tv

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snarkster:

right now its nothing but garbage on the screen

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clever:

then in .bashrc for mythtv i manualy set DISPLAY to :0.1

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snarkster:

but i dont want a monitor

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ShockValue:

you overdriving your tv? try 640x480 ?

[04:12:57]

rooaus:

snarkster: you might need to look at the "UseDisplayDevice" option for the nvidia driver,

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clever:

so anything i run under mythtv's it comes up on the tv

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snarkster:

this is still reinstalling...

[04:13:17]

clever:

if you unplug the moniter my layout would keep working

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snarkster:

isnt the install screens 640x480

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clever:

and just have a empty half of the screen going to nothing

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ShockValue:

i dunno if it is or not

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snarkster:

its kinda insteresting really.. stuff flashing here and there.. lines all over the place.. little boxes here and there..

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rooaus:

snarkster: What nvidia driver version are you using?

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ShockValue:

sounds like your rez or refresh settings are not compatible with your TV to me

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snarkster:

im not.. its still reinstalling.. i didnt know that my first disk was damaged.

[04:16:27]

snarkster:

2 minutes remaining then glorious Myth on my big screen

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snarkster:

i hope

[04:17:16]

snarkster:

freshly purchased Nvidia Fx5500 card.

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snarkster:

ok now if i unplug the monitor do you guys think itll go straight to tv then?

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snarkster:

or should i run nvidia-config

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clever:

Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 'MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 34':

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snarkster:

still black and white on the tv

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rooaus:

snarkster: I would hand configure the xorg.conf, I don't trust the automatic approach :)

[04:20:24]

rooaus:

snarkster: Can you pastebin your xorg.conf?

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snarkster:

hmm well not really.. thats on the mythbox and im on the laptop

[04:21:12]

snarkster:

i can type what parts you might wanna look at..

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rooaus:

snarkster: if you have ssh installed you can scp it.

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snarkster:

im looking for a longer network cable

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snarkster:

ok just hooked the mythbox up to the network

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snarkster:

and ive never been able to get ssh to work, maybe you could assist in that?

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rooaus:

snarkster: You will want ssh, it makes looking after myth _much_ easier, what distro are you using?

[04:25:27]

snarkster:

MythDora .40

[04:25:44]

snarkster:

i can setup a IR blaster later correct?

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rooaus:

I guess so, just use a keyboard for now.

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snarkster:

right

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snarkster:

ive never actually gotten myth to work this far before, im in new ground

[04:27:33]

snarkster:

ok now there is nothing on the tv..

[04:28:14]

rooaus:

So mythdora doesn't install openssh server?

[04:28:28]

thinc:

snarkster: as in, there's no picture, or all the shows are crap?

[04:28:31]

snarkster:

yes it does Id assume

[04:28:49]

snarkster:

no picture what so ever. and now myth wants to be configured..

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rooaus:

How can you tell myth wants to be configured, do you have the monitor connected as well?

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snarkster:

yes

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rooaus:

snarkster: Unless you have setup twinview in your xorg.conf the display will be on the monitor *or* TV, not both.

[04:32:29]

clever:

making a basic script to aid in debuging my mythtv backend

[04:32:36]

clever:

basicaly a telnet into the backend

[04:32:47]

clever:

that automaticaly prepends all msgs with the proper lenght prefix

[04:33:27]

clever:

tricky part is the ugly programing langiage cuts spaces down to 1 like html does when displaying

[04:33:35]

clever:

so space padding the lenght will be tricky:P

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ShockValue:

hrm.. how do i set my listings up so that 1 card knows about channels 100–110 and the other card only knows about 1–99 and 111–200

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rooaus:

If you can get a copy of your xorg.conf I will have a look, I think you may need to use the "UseDisplayDevce" option in the monitor section, check appendix D (I think) of the nvidia readme

[04:34:18]

ShockValue:

bah, this just isnt worth the trboule.

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xris:

ShockValue: two different listings

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ShockValue:

yeah, im just giving up.. running a pvr250, firewire and hd3000 in one box is just too much of a PITA

[04:35:39]

ShockValue:

if comcast cant fix my HD OTA channels im just gonna cancel them and go back to SD package

[04:36:50]

ShockValue:

i have other things id rather be doing than screwing with this for days on end. like having a root canal.

[04:37:00]

xris:

ShockValue: yeah, that's messed up

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TSCHAK:

ShockValue, I have two datadirect accounts

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TSCHAK:

ShockValue, one for my HD firewire box, one for my SD channels

[04:37:18]

TSCHAK:

ShockValue, it works just fine.

[04:37:24]

xris:

TSCHAK: why two accounts? you get 4 listings with dd

[04:37:31]

xris:

TSCHAK: it's also against their TOS to do that

[04:37:53]

TSCHAK:

xris, because it got confused when i tried to set up two lineups of the same exact provider

[04:38:01]

ShockValue:

im just cranky because until last week my firewire was running just perfectly, then some a-hole flipped a switch he shouldnt have flipped, and no one will admit it.

[04:38:16]

xris:

lame

[04:38:24]

xris:

could ask for a legal contact so you can serve them papers

[04:38:41]

xris:

threaten to take them to small claims court

[04:38:55]

ShockValue:

yeah, well ive been waiting for someone with a clue to get back from independence day vacations.. so monday, we'll see

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snarkster:

http://www.pastebin.ca/608238

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snarkster:

thats my xorg

[04:44:10]

snarkster:

wow thats a lame xorg.

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clever:

lol damn thats thin:P

[04:45:20]

snarkster:

yup

[04:45:29]

snarkster:

never done config for tv before..

[04:45:41]

rooaus:

snarkster: You don't have a monitor section...

[04:45:43]

snarkster:

but i do know that if i plug thelaptop into the tv, its in color

[04:45:58]

ShockValue:

im just glad my "tv" has DVI input so i didnt have to screw with any of that

[04:46:07]

rooaus:

Any reason for that?

[04:46:41]

snarkster:

wish mine did..

[04:46:50]

snarkster:

and i just noticed that when you said somehting

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snarkster:

this is a fres install.. brand new

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rooaus:

I will see if I can find my old xorg.conf from when I used my old Sony 80cm via SVideo, it might help if I can find it.

[04:52:52]

snarkster:

where would i locate the horizsybcm and vertrefresh information

[04:53:17]

snarkster:

im just configureing for tv.. no monitor

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Speedy2:

snarkster: Just punch in 60 Hz for vertical and leave the horizontal as a wide range

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Speedy2:

snarkster: Or use the nvidia config tool which handles all this crap for you.

[04:56:31]

rooaus:

snarkster: Had a look for my old xorg.xonf but can't find it :(

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rooaus:

Do as Speedy2 suggests, if this is a brand new install use the nvidia script to get the basics, then get the TV Out working.

[04:59:08]

snarkster:

ok configured for twinview

[04:59:17]

snarkster:

tv is operational, still b&w

[04:59:20]

clever:

[07 23:59:45] OUT: MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 34

[04:59:20]

clever:

[07 23:59:45] IN : ACCEPT[]:[]34

[04:59:34]

clever:

my script is properly handling the lenght prefix's when talking to mythtv:)

[04:59:40]

clever:

both for receiving and sending

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Speedy2:

snarkster: Are you using an s-video break out cable?

[05:00:03]

clever:

and im getting no respond at all from the crashing backend

[05:00:14]

clever:

2007-07–07 23:59:35.814 MythSocket(852d380:18): writeStringList: No data written on writeBlock

[05:00:32]

clever:

it appears to be having trouble writing the responce out

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rooaus:

snarkster: Probably means it is using the wrong tv standard. See the NVidia readme Appendix D and H at http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . E/README.txt

[05:01:43]

snarkster:

the one that came with the card.

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snarkster:

bad cable.

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rooaus:

snarkster: Look at the parts on Option "TVStandard" wjich defaults to "NTSC-M" and Option "UseDisplayDevice" "TV"

[05:06:17]

clever:

if i found a bug in mythtv and want to discus it should i talk in #mythtv-users or #mythtv?

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rooaus:

clever: Not too sure, only been hanging out here recently, try asking here unless you are certain it is a bug. If you are certain it is a bug AND you are sure it exists in SVN trunk then file a ticket.

[05:09:02]

clever:

im on a copy of svn trunk thats a few days old

[05:09:11]

clever:

and randomly my master backend will 'crash'

[05:09:20]

snarkster:

my tv is running 1024x768

[05:09:26]

clever:

mythtv claims Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 'MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 34':

[05:09:29]

clever:

mythweb*

[05:09:36]

clever:

and half the stuff stops working

[05:09:42]

clever:

but it can still record

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snarkster:

sure is grainy tho

[05:10:06]

clever:

ive manualy connected to the master backend

[05:10:21]

clever:

and i can get a packet(ACCEPT[]:[]34) from my working backends

[05:10:31]

clever:

but when i try the same on the crashed backend it totaly ignores me

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rooaus:

clever: I guess the thing is to identify why it has crashed, probably not surprising to get no reposne from a crashed backend.

[05:11:58]

clever:

but its still recording shows normaly acording to the shcdule

[05:12:11]

clever:

so far the only way to fix it is to restart it

[05:12:25]

clever:

but the anoying thing is half the time it crashes while recording and i dont want to interupt the recording

[05:12:40]

clever:

and it comes up randomly so it will be hard to debug

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ShockValue:

you have verbose logging turned on?

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rooaus:

snarkster: Are you using svideo?

[05:13:00]

clever:

i thought i finaly fixed it by not using mythwelcome for a week and then it crashes again

[05:13:13]

clever:

i was running it with -v all into a log file

[05:13:28]

clever:

but the log file reached about 100–150 MB before it crashed(several days)

[05:13:31]

snarkster:

yes i am

[05:14:01]

clever:

its also spaming this on stdout every few seconds

[05:14:06]

clever:

2007-07–08 00:00:15.943 MythSocket(852d380:18): writeStringList: No data written on writeBlock

[05:14:06]

clever:

2007-07–08 00:00:56.166 MythSocket(852d380:18): writeStringList: No data written on writeBlock

[05:14:24]

clever:

the delay seems to be about 10 seconds between each msg

[05:14:41]

rooaus:

snarkster: I used to use svideo and it wasn't great on my FX5200 but OK.

[05:14:57]

clever:

312 "writeStringList: No data written on writeBlock");

[05:15:15]

clever:

found the line causing the error but no reason as to why its running that atm

[05:15:35]

rooaus:

clever: Maybe identify where this is in the source and insert some debug prints in there to work out whats happening.

[05:15:46]

clever:

i have found it in the source

[05:15:52]

clever:

but i havent done work with qt before

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rooaus:

Ah you already found it.. :)

[05:16:01]

clever:

it appears to be writing 235 bool MythSocket::writeStringList(QStringList &list)

[05:16:05]

clever:

that list out the socket

[05:16:15]

clever:

and from what i read in the protocol and source

[05:16:37]

clever:

its merging the list into a single string with the items seperated by []:[] as the wiki said for the protocol

[05:16:45]

clever:

and prefixing it with the lenght as the wiki showed

[05:17:04]

clever:

mythtv@theP4:~/mythtvbuild/mythtv/libs/libmyth$ vi mythsocket.cpp

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clever:

thats the file its in

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snarkster:

wish my tv had dvi

[05:18:16]

snarkster:

ok monitor has been disconnected.

[05:18:18]

rooaus:

clever: Maybe it is worth filing a ticket, if the backend hasn't completely locked up you would hope it would recover from the error your seeing.

[05:18:39]

clever:

i'll read the function a bit closer to see why that if is matching

[05:18:42]

clever:

and what might cause it

[05:27:29]

snarkster:

ok unplugging the monitor didnt work to well..

[05:27:38]

clever:

dited the code to debug something a bit closer

[05:27:39]

snarkster:

haveing to re-write the damn xorg.conf

[05:27:52]

clever:

but once i recompile and restart it may be weeks before it crashes:P

[05:28:27]

clever:

and i cant peek at the upcomming recordings to prepare it for the restart because of the bug

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ShockValue:

does http://<yourbackend IP>:6544/ come up?

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** clever checks **

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clever:

too late

[05:32:15]

clever:

allready killed the backend and am instlaling over it

[05:32:35]

clever:

but my edit compiled on the first try:P

[05:32:47]

clever:

mythtv@theP4:~$ mythbackend -v network &

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clever:

294 VERBOSE(VB_NETWORK,QString("writeStringList: writeBlock(%1 + %2, %3) == %4").arg(payload.data()).arg(written).arg(size));

[05:33:21]

clever:

no idea if that will work

[05:33:24]

clever:

but its worth a try:P

[05:33:27]

clever:

293 int temp = writeBlock(payload.data() + written, size);

[05:33:48]

clever:

the error im getting is when this if matches

[05:33:51]

clever:

307 else if (temp <= 0)

[05:34:15]

clever:

now i'll see plenty of examples of it going right and exactly what might be going wrong

[05:35:00]

clever:

[08 00:35:25] 13 IN: ACCEPT[]:[]34

[05:35:10]

clever:

and its responding normaly again from my new script:)

[05:36:17]

clever:

2007-07–08 00:34:48.257 writeStringList: writeBlock(13 ACCEPT[]:[]34 + 0, 21) == %4

[05:36:29]

clever:

and i can see what happens when it tryes to respond and works

[05:37:03]

snarkster:

ok i got it going straight to tv now.. yah for me..

[05:37:19]

clever:

:D

[05:37:35]

snarkster:

hmm maybe i spoke to soon??

[05:37:58]

snarkster:

it just goes black after loading up..

[05:38:00]

snarkster:

buggers

[05:38:29]

snarkster:

did alt-F2 and init 3 and still nothing.. something died i think

[05:38:39]

clever:

plug the moniter in for a sec

[05:38:47]

clever:

to see if it went to the wrong output

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snarkster:

nope nothing

[05:39:06]

clever:

both outputs dead?

[05:39:10]

snarkster:

yup

[05:39:13]

snarkster:

it appears so

[05:39:18]

clever:

you may need CTRL+alt+f2 to change tty if your in X

[05:39:38]

snarkster:

i have noticed tho that sometimes ALT-F2 doesnt bring up the run box..

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clever:

ahh

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Dagmar:

If he was able to *type* "init 3" then it's probably because he was seeing a prompt

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snarkster:

nono prompts..

[05:40:12]

clever:

i sometimes type blindly

[05:40:14]

snarkster:

its dead.. the num lock isnt working

[05:40:17]

clever:

because my laptop had no lcd panel

[05:40:26]

clever:

are sysrq's turned on>

[05:40:27]

clever:

or sshd?

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snarkster:

nope.. they are above my current skill level

[05:41:04]

k-man_:

how does mythgame scan for new games?

[05:41:16]

k-man_:

i mean... what does it do?

[05:41:22]

clever:

sshd will let you ssh(or putty) in from another computer

[05:41:29]

clever:

so you can run commands to fix it remotely

[05:41:42]

clever:

being able to edit a conf file and shutdown -r now helps if the display is hosed

[05:42:14]

clever:

sysrq's let you fix even major lockup's and let you atleast properly shutdown the system if its too major

[05:43:17]

snarkster:

what methid do i use to start the thing in init 3 so i can look at the X11 config

[05:43:51]

snarkster:

dont i e the kernel line in grub and put init 3 at the end or something

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clever:

you can try booting it into single user mode(adding single to the end of the kernel line)

[05:44:35]

xanderp:

any firefly remote users here?

[05:44:37]

clever:

then just init 3 from there

[05:45:24]

clever:

once i booted one of my livecd's with init=/bin/bash(extremely crude single user:P) then manualy had that exec the normal init and it booted 'normaly':P

[05:46:59]

xanderp:

My remote works for all of it's keys via IRW. The keys are all mapped to mythtv functions, and I can use it to navigate the menus, and start playback of a recorded show, but I can't FF/RW/etc... nor about anything else.

[05:47:20]

snarkster:

sshd is running

[05:47:27]

clever:

-rw------- 1 mythtv mythtv 138M Jul 8 00:46 core.11433

[05:47:29]

clever:

ouch

[05:47:45]

clever:

snarkster: got a linux or winblows pc for connecting to sshd?

[05:47:47]

Dagmar:

Core files sucking down all your disk space or something?

[05:47:56]

Dagmar:

You should make sure there's no kernel core files in /proc

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snarkster:

yah i got my laptop im talking to you on.. fedora 7

[05:48:03]

clever:

lol

[05:48:13]

clever:

ssh username@hostname

[05:48:20]

clever:

that will login to hostname as username

[05:48:27]

clever:

run it in a terminal window

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clever:

Dagmar: 400mb free now

[05:48:54]

clever:

i forget how much was free when i started

[05:49:12]

clever:

Dagmar: know what might cause this error?

[05:49:12]

clever:

[08 00:14:43] <clever> 2007-07–08 00:00:15.943 MythSocket(852d380:18): writeStringList: No data written on writeBlock

[05:49:12]

clever:

[08 00:14:43] <clever> 2007-07–08 00:00:56.166 MythSocket(852d380:18): writeStringList: No data written on writeBlock

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tank-man:

what version of mythtv are you running clever ?

[05:50:27]

clever:

how do i make svn spit out the rev no?

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Dagmar:

-r-------- 1 root root 268439552 Jul 8 00:50 /proc/kcore

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Dagmar:

Hmm... 256Mb

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clever:

nvm i think i found it

[05:50:47]

clever:

Dagmar add -h

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Dagmar:

-r-------- 1 root root 256M Jul 8 00:50 /proc/kcore

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clever:

thats probly a elf formated 'file' showing all ram in the system

[05:51:26]

clever:

check cat /proc/meminfo

[05:51:43]

clever:

tank-man svnversion

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clever:

13755M

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Dagmar:

Found that out with `file` didja?

[05:52:16]

clever:

from the timeline 13842 is the most recent version

[05:52:20]

hads:

Revision numbers don't mean squat without a URL

[05:52:35]

clever:

Dagmar: nope i remember hearing that before somewhere

[05:52:40]

clever:

hads: url to what?

[05:53:05]

hads:

What part of the svn tree you are using.

[05:53:13]

clever:

trunk i beleive

[05:53:21]

clever:

not .20-fixes

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Dagmar:

I was half figuring I could get you to try to delete yours to free up space

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TTT_Travis:

on my mythtv ubuntu box all of the black is showing up as green – on a dvi connection – this happened randomly a few days ago

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Dagmar:

Not randomly

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rooaus:

clever: You can also find out from the compiled binary with mythfrontend --version or mythbackend --version, both should work.

[05:54:26]

clever:

Dagmar: i know /proc/ is virtual files which dont eat up space:P

[05:54:47]

clever:

ahh yeah didnt think of that

[05:54:48]

Dagmar:

clever: You'd be amazed at how many people don't know that

[05:54:53]

clever:

lol

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Dagmar:

TTT_Travis: Find somewhere creative to run `xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 0`

[05:55:11]

clever:

Library API version : 0.20.20070327–1

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clever:

Source code version : 13755M

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clever:

Network Protocol Version: 34

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clever:

i could also paste the list of compiled in options but i didnt want to spam that much

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TTT_Travis:

Dagmar k

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clever:

ive also made a minor change to this rev to try and track the error down

[05:55:55]

clever:

+ VERBOSE(VB_NETWORK,QString("writeStringList: writeBlock('%1' + '%2', '%3') == %4").arg(payload.data()).arg(written).arg(size).arg(temp));

[05:55:58]

rooaus:

clever: I there was even a recent commit that reports the tree version, ie trunk, branches etc

[05:56:39]

clever:

rooaus?

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rooaus:

clever: Sorry, a recent mythfrontend --version should also show if it the source was from trunk, or branches/fixes-*** etc.

[05:57:57]

clever:

ahh

[05:58:22]

clever:

i know that when i svn update i get the changes i see at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/timeline

[05:58:40]

clever:

but all branches probly show under that url

[05:58:45]

hads:

Yes.

[05:58:58]

clever:

cant i just stab svn to spit it out?:P

[05:59:05]

hads:

Yes.

[05:59:05]

ShockValue:

do i have to add anything to xorg.conf to get a usb gamepad to work in X? im thinkin about trying out mythgame

[05:59:17]

clever:

hads: what svn cmd to fetch the url it uses?

[05:59:24]

rooaus:

clever: If you have the svn source tree still (which I guess you do) then you can use "svn info"

[05:59:32]

clever:

thanks:)

[05:59:34]

hads:

svn info

[05:59:50]

clever:

URL: http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv

[05:59:55]

clever:

yep i got trunk:)

[05:59:57]

hads:

The subversion book is your friend.

[06:00:09]

clever:

Last Changed Date: 2007-06–23 11:18:52 -0500 (Sat, 23 Jun 2007)

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clever:

its about 2 weeks old from the looks of it

[06:00:32]

TTT_Travis:

Dagmar I tried that command but it didn't do anything

[06:00:42]

robbins87:

Anyone familiar with restoring deleted partitions? I did so accidentally earlier and I'm now stuck in windows

[06:01:08]

rooaus:

clever: Ah, I think gbee committed the svn path stuff last week :)

[06:01:12]

clever:

robbins87: if you could find the header at the start of the ext2 and know its offset from the partition start you might be able to do it

[06:01:22]

Dagmar:

robbins87: Just recreate it with the exact same settings as before, but *do not format it*

[06:01:39]

clever:

yeah that works if you know the exact start&end that belong

[06:01:44]

snarkster:

how the bloody hell do i ssh into my box.. Mythtv user has no password

[06:01:51]

snarkster:

and root cant login

[06:01:53]

Dagmar:

Basically, if you have this "hole" of unpartitioned space, putting a partition back is tricial

[06:02:02]

ShockValue:

robbins87: Im no expert so take this with a grain of salt.. but if you re-create the partition /exactly/ the same as it was before you deleted it, it should just show up with all your info

[06:02:06]

Dagmar:

snarkster: That requires basic system administration competency.

[06:02:07]

clever:

snarkster: set a password on the box localy

[06:02:10]

Dagmar:

This is a MythTV support channel.

[06:02:17]

Dagmar:

Not an ass-from-a-hole-in-the-ground channel.

[06:02:55]

robbins87:

Dagmar: If i originally installed linux using the default partition sizes, you think it will be fixable?

[06:02:59]

clever:

ShockValue: ive seen stuff explaining how to resize a partition saying you delete and then make again with the same start and a new size

[06:03:00]

snarkster:

ok which box.. the one im connecting from or the one im connecting to

[06:03:12]

clever:

ShockValue: that seems risky to me:P

[06:03:17]

Dagmar:

robbins87: Did you delete *just* the Linux partition? There is no such thing as default partition sizes.

[06:03:33]

ShockValue:

clever – very risky.. i wouldnt do it unless it was a last ditch effort

[06:03:39]

robbins87:

Dagmar: yeah, i thought it was a different disk so i deleted the partitons, then realized it was my linux disk

[06:03:41]

clever:

yeah

[06:03:42]

Dagmar:

clever: Well, it works for making jfs and xfs filesystems larger

[06:04:00]

robbins87:

i didn't format or anything like htat, just removed the partitions

[06:04:06]

Dagmar:

robbins87: well, if you can convince it to use the exact same partition sizes you should be able to recover

[06:04:09]

clever:

all?

[06:04:23]

robbins87:

and by default i mean, in the fedora install i didn't tell it to do anything special, just whatever popped up i clicked next

[06:04:32]

clever:

if you removed more then 1 in a row the mid point between them will be hard to find

[06:04:40]

Dagmar:

robbins87: Deleting the partition table only really affects the first and second sectors of the disk. Everything else will still be intact, unless something decides to go 'round formatting the new partitions you create

[06:04:58]

robbins87:

so what should i do once i get into the install?

[06:05:09]

Dagmar:

I suspect that letting Redhat make default partitions again is going to also have it format them.

[06:05:50]

Dagmar:

Ya might want to email a RH users list or something and ask to see if someone can tell you how it makes those initial partitions, or experiment with a differnt drive to find out

[06:06:23]

Dagmar:

If you tell RH's installer to start making assumptions about partitioning, it's going to almost certainly assume the new partitions _need_ formatting.

[06:06:35]

robbins87:

i'm just going to try it and if it gets messed up i'll re-install and be back in here with myth-tv questions!

[06:06:50]

clever:

Dagmar: now then back to my problem:P

[06:06:57]

rooaus:

snarkster: Set the password on your mythtv box, I a pretty sure ssh wont let a user with an empty password authenticate.

[06:07:10]

clever:

2007-07–07 23:52:14.626 MythSocket(852d380:18): writeStringList: No data written on writeBlock

[06:07:26]

Dagmar:

clever: You're better off searching GOogle for that one than asking in here.

[06:07:42]

clever:

from checking in the source code

[06:07:57]

Dagmar:

...and unless that message is accompanied by *an actual error of some kind* you're not going to make people very happy by being a lamer about it

[06:07:57]

tank-man:

clever, probably easier to use .20-fixes than figuring what is wrong

[06:08:05]

clever:

i see that it does that if the writeBlock function returned a result under or equal to 0

[06:08:22]

clever:

i cant downgrade my database to let .20-fixes run

[06:08:27]

Dagmar:

...and complaining about it loudly to shanghai other people into stracing it because you don't want to definitely qualifies as being a lamer.

[06:08:32]

clever:

and im using some trunk features like storage groups

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clever:

and ive allready modified my source to see what writeBlock does normaly and when its crashing

[06:09:04]

tank-man:

what are "storage groups" ?

[06:09:08]

Dagmar:

Looks like you get to call a neighbor over to bring you a hacksaw so you can cut a new door, because you've painted yourself into a nice little corner there.

[06:09:23]

clever:

tank-man: it lets you store recordings under multiple directorys if you dont want to use lvm

[06:09:34]

clever:

tank-man: so you can store them on seperate filesystems under diff disks

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TUplink_:

what is the best tuner for the buck

[06:09:39]

TUplink_:

?

[06:10:12]

Dagmar:

Depends on what you're trying to tune in.

[06:10:14]

xris:

TUplink_: depends on what kind of tv you're trying to record

[06:10:15]

ShockValue:

depends on what your trying to tune.. im partial to firewire

[06:10:19]

TUplink_:

Cable

[06:10:22]

Dagmar:

I recommend wiki.mythtv.org

[06:10:28]

xris:

TUplink_: what kind of cable

[06:10:29]

Dagmar:

PVR-500 then

[06:10:41]

xris:

Dagmar: pvr-500 won't do dvb-c or qam....

[06:10:46]

ShockValue:

digital cable? HD box?

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TUplink_:

yea...... now what if i wanted digital cable?

[06:10:54]

xris:

TUplink_: first.. what country are you in?

[06:10:58]

TUplink_:

USA

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Dagmar:

xris: Yeah, but I figure anyone saying just "cable" is on dog-standard coax broadcast

[06:11:11]

xris:

TUplink_: digital cable... upgrade to HD and see if you can get things over firewire.

[06:11:24]

xris:

Dagmar: true. I just like people to be specific.

[06:11:25]

Dagmar:

Yes, everyone likes PBS in HD

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snarkster:

crap!!! every time i try to run mtyhtv setup it kills the x server.

[06:11:53]

Dagmar:

hehe

[06:12:01]

Dagmar:

That's a new one on me.

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clever:

ive had a wine'ed game kill my X before

[06:13:49]

clever:

but yet to get mythtv to kill X

[06:14:17]

clever:

while i wait for my backend ti crash i'll mess with the protocol to it

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snarkster:

yah im good like that i guess.

[06:14:35]

snarkster:

apparantly i dont understand a damn thing about this.

[06:14:39]

clever:

allready got a script done which prefixes all my msgs with the proper size(padded to 8 bytes)

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TUplink_:

so.... PVR-500 it is

[06:14:50]

TUplink_:

that has a dule tuner in it rite

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clever:

i think its just a pair of 250's on the same card(250+250==500:P)

[06:15:31]

clever:

from what i heard from 1 person it has its own pci bus and pci-pci bridge

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TUplink_:

so you need a coax spliter if you only have one coax?

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Dagmar:

Nope

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TUplink_:

or is that done internly

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clever:

if you want to record 2 shows at once maybe

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Dagmar:

The PVR-500 has it's own splitter internally

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clever:

you could just ignore the 2nd 250:P

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TUplink_:

kool

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snarkster:

so now i cant even start mythtv

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Dagmar:

Man this is priceless

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TUplink_:

why if you have 2 tuners that be great

[06:16:31]

TUplink_:

leav one so you can always watch live tv

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clever:

or record 2 shows at once

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Dagmar:

$coworker is watching a video online showing how to use qtparted to resize a partition to set up dual-boot with XP and the guy in the video keeps saying "jigga-bytes"

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clever:

im stuck with a single framegrabber right now

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clever:

my pc can bearly handle livetv:P

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rooaus:

clever: Had a look at the source, looks like if you are getting that log message then MythSocket::writeStringList is returning on line 313.

[06:17:11]

clever:

Dagmar: LOL

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TUplink_:

clever whats the specks

[06:17:25]

Dagmar:

People need to get out more if they're making pronunciation errors like that

[06:17:31]

clever:

rogue780: i didnt want to spam by pasting the full error

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TTT_Travis:

ok so my 700Mhz celeron is more then fast enough to play back more of my media files (I think!) I am going to use it as a mythtv frontend

[06:17:40]

TTT_Travis:

does that sound like it would work?

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clever:

rooaus: its actualy repeating that pasted line every 10 seconds

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Dagmar:

TTT_Travis: yep

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TTT_Travis:

k good

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clever:

rooaus: so that function doesnt appear to be exiting

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TTT_Travis:

is there anyway to get online services in mythtv like Media Center has

[06:18:19]

TTT_Travis:

like that MTV overdrive etc.

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clever:

2007-07–08 00:02:16.367 MythSocket(852d380:18): writeStringList: No data written on writeBlock

[06:18:26]

clever:

2007-07–08 00:02:56.471 MythSocket(852d380:18): writeStringList: No data written on writeBlock

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tank-man:

whats mtv overdrive?

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clever:

wait no thats a 40 sec delay there

[06:18:52]

clever:

but its still repeating it every so often until the other end closes the socket

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TTT_Travis:

tank-man it's part of Windows Media Center (and mtv.com) I basically use it for music videos, it lets you watch pretty much any

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TUplink_:

is there a way to make mythweb require a password to use it

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TTT_Travis:

but I hate MCE and mythtv is way more practical for my uses

[06:19:24]

xris:

TUplink_: it's in the docs

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rooaus:

clever: Or it is being called within a loop, Dagmar was right, you need a trace or instrument all the calls to MythSocket::writeStringList.

[06:19:41]

xris:

TTT_Travis: hard to get permission for a free product to access for-pay services

[06:19:42]

clever:

TTT_Travis mythweb lets you manage the videos and recordings and has a flash player built into it

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TUplink_:

where are the docs or online?

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tank-man:

TTT_Travis, so it plays videos it streams from a web interface?

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xris:

TUplink_: read the .htaccess file that came with mythweb. (or apache.conf in svn)

[06:20:04]

TTT_Travis:

ok

[06:20:11]

TTT_Travis:

so does mythtv have a browser built in?

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TUplink_:

ok...

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xris:

TTT_Travis: mythbrowser

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xris:

it's part of the plugins

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TTT_Travis:

I see

[06:20:40]

clever:

rooaus: from a look at the source it will repeat the while loop while size>0

[06:20:46]

** xris goes to finish doing laundry... **

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TTT_Travis:

that would work but it wouldn't have the same control (remote) as MCE

[06:20:50]

TTT_Travis:

but whatever

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clever:

rooaus: and if temp<=0 it wont run the bit to decrease size

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clever:

rooaus: so it will be stuck in that while loop

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clever:

rooaus: oooo and it only shows that error after 5000 errors and returns right afterwards

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TUplink_:

um... where is htdocs? /usr/local/share i thought its not there

[06:23:44]

clever:

TUplink_: 'locate htdocs'

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clever:

run that:P

[06:24:03]

TUplink_:

nope

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clever:

rooaus: found the writeBlock function and restarted to mythbackend -v network,socket

[06:27:18]

clever:

rooaus: so temp will either be -1 if the mythtv writeBlock found an error or the return value of QSocketDevice::writeBlock

[06:28:24]

snarkster:

why does mythtv setup launcher run killbackend.sh??

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hads:

What is 'mythtv setup launcher'?

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hads:

And from the name I'd guess it was making sure the backend isn't running :)

[06:29:13]

snarkster:

kde launcher

[06:29:31]

snarkster:

right..

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snarkster:

and it restarts my X server.

[06:30:01]

hads:

Why?

[06:30:24]

hads:

Are you starting mythbackend from xinit or something weird?

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snarkster:

no just tryin to configure it

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snarkster:

good night.. ive more than enough of this bs

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hads:

OK then.

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TUplink_:

he just needs to give up being like that

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Dagmar:

GASSY GIBON!

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Dagmar:

er gibbon

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ShockValue:

so i caught the last 10 seconds of a trailer today for a "the new firefly" series.. anyone know what that was about? it mentioned High-Def.. so i dunno if it was the old one rebroadcast in HD, or a new season

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ShockValue:

bah, nevermind.. Universal HD picked it up, broadcasting it in HD. .but its still season 1

[06:40:57]

ShockValue:

of course, ill record it :)

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TUplink_:

kool

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robbins87:

ShockValue, for sure, firefly was great in SD

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robbins87:

HD will only make it better

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robbins87:

I tend to only watch things that are in HD

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robbins87:

really limits channel choices...the only time i watch SD is in my room on this mythbox, and i'm always suprised by foodTV...i always forget about that one...why isn't it HD?

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ShockValue:

i used to watch foodtv alot.. but mostof their shows kinda bore me now.. although I do really like Good Eats

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robbins87:

for sure, i wish they would have gone with alton brown as their "go to guy" instead of rachel ray

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robbins87:

i hate rachel ray and everything she does

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evilDagmar:

I so hate comcast right now

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robbins87:

i hate this lightning storm that is fast approaching

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TUplink_:

evil why?

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ShockValue:

My brain hates Rachel Ray.. but for some strange reason, my labido doesnt..

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robbins87:

she has no chest, and that's an issue for me

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evilDagmar:

I was *just* about compile compiz packages at home, remotely, and the cablemodem goes *pffft*

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ShockValue:

well, i didnt say she was a 10 :)

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robbins87:

sandra lee on the other hand is great

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clever:

lol

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Speedy2:

Rachel Ray is a gimmick.

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ShockValue:

I think Nigella is the best looking FoodTV chef though... http://unangelic.org/stupidlogic/uploads/nigella.jpg

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robbins87:

rachel ray is a piece of shit...i bought a box of wheat thins, and i shit you not, it had her face on it 4 times

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Speedy2:

They made much better people on there before. Ming Tsai, the fat Mario guy.

[06:48:14]

robbins87:

on a single box!

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Speedy2:

robbins87: It's no accident she has own TV show!

[06:49:25]

robbins87:

you saying she's a whore?

[06:49:35]

robbins87:

literally and figuratively

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Speedy2:

More figuratively

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Speedy2:

I mean she seems competent. but it's no accident that someone so "photogenic" has her own TV show

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robbins87:

i don't think she's that hot

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Speedy2:

There was a very scathing article about foodtv written by a guy who used to be on there.

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robbins87:

i mean, she's not nasty, but there's better women on foodtv than her

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Speedy2:

robbins87: Sorry, I was referring to Nigella

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robbins87:

oh

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Speedy2:

Should've directed it to shockvalue.

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ShockValue:

yeah wellcome to the "entertainment" business.. for every 1 good looking person on tv, there are 10000 people who are more talented, but less attractive.

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clever:

lol

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TUplink_:

is mythtv smart enough to know if it already has the same episode not to record ita gain?

[07:12:57]

hads:

Yes

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TUplink_:

ok....

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TUplink_:

cause im in mythweb... and in upcoming recordings i c 2 of the same

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ShockValue:

same channel?

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TUplink_:

wish i know what all of the difrent colors ment in all the difrent columns

[07:14:24]

TUplink_:

yea same chanel

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TUplink_:

Sat Jul 14, 2007 (07:00 PM)

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TUplink_:

Sat Jul 14, 2007 (11:00 PM)

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TUplink_:

ill just let it take its toal and see what happens

[07:17:59]

TUplink_:

would be nice if zap2it would come back up

[07:18:01]

TUplink_:

:P

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xris:

TUplink_: mouseover, it'll tell you what it plans to do

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TUplink_:

yea i see that

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exobyte:

when configuring the server, I want to check a check box, but when the box is selected, pressing either enter or space advances to the next page, not checking the box

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TUplink_:

use the left or right arrow

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exobyte:

TUplink_: thank you!!

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exobyte:

I feel like an idiot- I tried everytihng else

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TUplink_:

:P its all good

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TUplink_:

um..... what is user job #1 2 3 and 4?

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clever:

jobs you(the user) can make up

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TUplink_:

ok... jobs to do what?

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clever:

anything you want to do on recordings

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clever:

probly something you want to do to alot/all of them

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TUplink_:

hum..... like change the extension

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TUplink_:

i guess

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clever:

mythtv wont be able to find files if you change the extension

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clever:

a more usefull job might be to automaticaly convert it and copy to an ipod or something

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TUplink_:

ok... then for example what would you do with it?

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clever:

or queue it to be copyed

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TUplink_:

be copied to where?

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clever:

then you can just connect the ipod(or any other portable video player) and copy it

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TUplink_:

when in the program guide how do i watch the selected chanel

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TUplink_:

X did it

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hads:

Enter?

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TUplink_:

no... that brings up the menu to record

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hads:

Ah, I think there's an option for that.

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TUplink_:

its X

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hads:

Right then.

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perlmonkey:

hi lads

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hads:

IRCing as root, always a good idea.

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hads:

Morning perlmonkey

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perlmonkey:

hehe

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perlmonkey:

hi there hads

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clever:

hads: i find some networks have *!root@* glined making it imposible to get into irc as root

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** clever goes off to watch some mythtv **

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perlmonkey:

mythtv rocks

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subxx is now known as subx

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** perlmonkey cooks a breakfast with mythtv in kitchen on wifi **

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clever:

lol

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clever:

my laptop can stream it over wifi

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clever:

but its missing a lcd panel atm

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clever:

and the quality on its tvout is poor

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clever:

but with that tiny black&white tv i wouldnt notice the poor quality...

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clever:

think i could steal a 12v line from the laptop...?

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clever:

:P

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perlmonkey:

what happened to your lcd panel

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clever:

it got cracked

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perlmonkey:

:-(

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clever:

so i just removed the whole panel from the laptop

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clever:

right now its siting on the digital tuner for mythtv

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clever:

behind my desk

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perlmonkey:

mine just died also in my new laptop, well I'm not sure if its the lcd or something else

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clever:

wired into the kvm

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perlmonkey:

I'm back on my older laptop

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clever:

shine a bright flashlight or sunlight into the screen while yours is 'on'

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clever:

if you can see an image then the lcd is fine

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clever:

but the backlight is gone

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clever:

backlight is alot easyer to fix

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perlmonkey:

phew mine acts weird, what it does is...

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clever:

lol

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clever:

the lcd is basicaly a digital color filter

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clever:

the pc can select what colors get thru where and how bright

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perlmonkey:

when it powers up, theres no image, the backlight is working, but all colours like ink or clouds come up and change

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clever:

the backlight is just a large white light in the back

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perlmonkey:

kinda like a lava lamp

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clever:

which then gets certain colors filtered out to make images

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clever:

lol

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clever:

i had about the top right corner semi working

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perlmonkey:

before it happened, there was "pop" noise and a burning smell

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clever:

and the rest was all funky:P

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clever:

but after that it seemed to go out totaly

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clever:

then for a week i used it blind

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perlmonkey:

phew

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clever:

cli mode linux is 'easy' to use blind:P

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perlmonkey:

I have one of those backlight lamps

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perlmonkey:

I removed it from another laptop

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clever:

managed to get mplayer going in audio only mode on my avi pile

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clever:

without a lcd panel to shwo my typo's

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perlmonkey:

they are so bright like a florescent lights on ceiling

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clever:

i took my toshiba lcd panel APPART

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perlmonkey:

:D

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perlmonkey:

which model is it?

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clever:

seperating the raw lcd the boards and backlight appart fully

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clever:

http://homepage.mac.com/danflemming/t2150cdt_linux/ shows the same laptop as me

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clever:

and how to get linux on it(havent been able to yet:()

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clever:

its a t2150cdt

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perlmonkey:

woah thats a satelite

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perlmonkey:

is it not?

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clever:

never heard it called satelite

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clever:

but its pretty old:P

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clever:

10+ years

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clever:

20mb ram i beleive

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clever:

50mhz:P

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perlmonkey:

how cool, i love those old toshibas

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perlmonkey:

they are so stirdy and well made

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

i have 3 of them

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robbins876:

Got my box back into linux, hooray!

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perlmonkey:

that is indeed a satelite pro

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clever:

2 are slightly older(b&w lcd,no audio,no cd)

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robbins876:

Anyone familiar with getting mythtv to take over the whole screen while beryl is running? I can't get it to do so.

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clever:

the 3rd is color cd and has a sound card

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perlmonkey:

I have a satelite pro 460CDX in pieces

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clever:

one of the older(b&w) toshibas got soaked in koolaid

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perlmonkey:

hehe soda?

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clever:

i came home one day and noticed its ircbots where offline

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clever:

and i couldnt ping it

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clever:

went over to the furnace room to prod it

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clever:

soaked:P

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perlmonkey:

phew

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clever:

my mom spilled a glass upstairs

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clever:

it seeped thru the floor

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clever:

and driped onto everything in that half fo the room

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perlmonkey:

you can pick up those toshibas now on ebay for silly money, I think I paid 99p for mine

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clever:

laptop was still ON and slightly warm

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clever:

but it has yet to bootup again

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perlmonkey:

damn

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clever:

i stuck its drive/ram/net int the color and that fixed the server

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clever:

it was one of my main servers:P

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perlmonkey:

haha

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perlmonkey:

why do you use such old equip?

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clever:

it happened to be laying arround when i started making the services:P

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perlmonkey:

you like a challenge eh?

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perlmonkey:

I like older tech stuff too

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clever:

im trying to get the old cf-25 running linux

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clever:

for gps stuff in the jeep

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perlmonkey:

this toshiba im using here is Tecra 8100

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clever:

cf-25 is a toughtbook

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perlmonkey:

The 9100 one I just bought (for £47) is much faster and better graphics chip, but now the lcd is gone I dunno what can be done

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clever:

hook it up to a moniter or kvm

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perlmonkey:

what make is cf-25?

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clever:

treat it like a small desktop

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perlmonkey:

ya that could be a good idea, or maybe just remove the lcd completely and use it a lower power server/mythtv backend

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clever:

http://www.toughbookxchange.com/products/cate . . . =13&sb=1

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

my laptop is currently a dedicated com flaging box

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perlmonkey:

panasonic

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clever:

i set an option somewhere so jobs can run on any host(not just the host making the recording)

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clever:

then i set the master backend to enver commflag

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clever:

and ran a mythbackend on the lapto[

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perlmonkey:

how do you manage to run mythtv (or X for that matter) on such low cpu's

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clever:

the weakest cpu ive had running X was 133mhz

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clever:

thats still going(redhat9) but i disabled X on it since its a server

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robbins876:

Anyone have any clue about beryl and mythtv?

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clever:

lowest system i still regularly use X on is 399mhz

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Dagmar:

robbins876: Yeah, they're about as useful together as pig iron and chocolate

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robbins876:

There's no fix for it?

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robbins876:

because beryl is really pretty

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perlmonkey:

the earliest CPU I ran X was on my Toshiba 460CDX, a P1 166

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Dagmar:

WTF is Beryl going to *do* on the frontend?

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perlmonkey:

it wasnt too bad

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clever:

iver never used beryl but i had compiz working on 1 of my pc's but i was just borrowing it

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perlmonkey:

I had 48MB of mem

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Dagmar:

It's not like you're going to flip desktops (or even ahve a reasonable way to do so) on your TV from the couch

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robbins876:

Dagmar: this is a box in my room that is my primary box and also a frontend/backend

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robbins876:

the box in my living room is devoid of beryl

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clever:

LOL the price of the cf-25's i have

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clever:

SRP: $2499.00

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clever:

Customer Price: $199.92

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clever:

You save 92% off SRP

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clever:

my dad got them for 5$ each:P

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clever:

2.001% of the original price:P

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Dagmar:

It's a P100 with 32Mb of RAM

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Dagmar:

I'm not sure $200 is even a good price

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clever:

one of the 3 i see on the site is labled with 96mb ram

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clever:

im planing on using one in the jeep for gps nav

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perlmonkey:

£200 sucks

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clever:

its a jeep so it will wind up bouncing arround alot

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Dagmar:

Go someplace like Craigslist and you can get a 1.8Ghz machine for $400

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perlmonkey:

I can get these machines on eBay for like under £20

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clever:

i allready have 2–3 of these:P

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perlmonkey:

:D

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clever:

at 5$ each

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perlmonkey:

thats more like it

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clever:

used pc place thats i think a 3–4 hour drive from here

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clever:

none of them boot

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clever:

none had power suplys:P

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perlmonkey:

can you fix them?

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clever:

it seems to be having trouble accessing the hdd

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clever:

it has pcmcia slots and a floppy

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clever:

and it boots from floppy without a problem

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perlmonkey:

cool

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clever:

i can either solve the hdd problem or use it as a netboot system:P

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clever:

i have managed to get win98 to bearly load off the hdd once

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perlmonkey:

can you use pcmcia converter to hold flash mem

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perlmonkey:

or usb

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clever:

i suspect the gel the drive is encased in is letting it vibrate too much

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clever:

and i do have some kind of memory pcmcia card

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perlmonkey:

you can turn an old machine into a very fast machine then, but getting mem for these old machines is a problem

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clever:

which contains a watch batery

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clever:

no idea what its good for

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perlmonkey:

what about solar power, have you ever tried to use that?

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clever:

i think it was labled as 1mb of so

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clever:

not use

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clever:

not yet*

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clever:

it runs off a 12v batery

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perlmonkey:

these older laptops with lower power usuage requirements would be great for hooking up to solar cell and lead sealed battery for an UPS server

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clever:

which also charges the internal batery

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perlmonkey:

cool

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clever:

so you could get one of those 12v solar panels you see on tv for trickle charging your car/boar batery when its not in use

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perlmonkey:

yes

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clever:

and use that to recharge the laptop

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clever:

but ive yet to find a proper plug that fits the power plug

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perlmonkey:

but you cant charge the normal li-on battery cells with solar eh

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clever:

been sticking a paper clip in for the + and cliping the – onto a screw in the back

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perlmonkey:

haha

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clever:

i lent one out to a friend awhile ago

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clever:

batery and laptop

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clever:

i think he made smoke with it:P

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perlmonkey:

phew

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clever:

would be very easy to attach the paperclip to the – of the power connector

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clever:

and the – to the case as normal

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clever:

dead short thru the case then:P

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clever:

and its a giant batery

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perlmonkey:

haha

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clever:

nearly the size of a car batery

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perlmonkey:

the wire burns out

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clever:

10 of them are normaly used in a portable xray machine

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clever:

in series

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clever:

120 volts high amps

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perlmonkey:

phew

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clever:

ive heard of what happens if you drop a screwdriver into that...

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perlmonkey:

i need to get hold of some solar cells

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perlmonkey:

I wish solar tech was more efficient than it is

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clever:

if i can get a decent ammount of current out of solar cells

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clever:

i could recharge my ups baterys off it

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perlmonkey:

what kind of cells do you use?

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clever:

none atm:P

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perlmonkey:

amorphous?

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clever:

the ups is charging itself off 120 like normal

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clever:

dont have any solar panels larger then toy ones

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perlmonkey:

oh

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perlmonkey:

you must have a lot of sunshine where you are

[08:52:03]

perlmonkey:

we dont get much here

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clever:

depends on the weather and season

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clever:

its 24c indoors atm

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clever:

at 6am

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clever:

furnace hasnt ran for weeks i beleive

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perlmonkey:

what country are you in

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clever:

outdoor temp sensor is messed up

[08:53:04]

clever:

canada

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perlmonkey:

canada is normally cool climate?

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clever:

yeah it can get pretty damn cold in feb

[08:53:38]

clever:

but it gets warm in the summer:P

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perlmonkey:

I bet

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clever:

max outdoor temp on the thermomet was 39

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perlmonkey:

I am in the UK we got lots of rain this summer and everywhere is flooded

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clever:

min of -0.1

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perlmonkey:

24 indoors here approx too, but chilly for the time of year

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clever:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en& . . . ddr&om=1

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perlmonkey:

woah you are near the border with Quebec

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

i can see quebec outside the north facing windows

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clever:

and with my telescope i can allmost make out people:P

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perlmonkey:

how cool

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perlmonkey:

is it like France

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clever:

i saw a moving blur on the tv once when watching quebec

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perlmonkey:

all the names are French

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clever:

some of the names in dalhousie are in french

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clever:

some in eng

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perlmonkey:

how strange to have a country divided up by two empires and two separate cultures and languages

[08:57:07]

perlmonkey:

how did that happen

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clever:

theres more then 2 in here:P

[08:57:35]

perlmonkey:

you guys sound american to us

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clever:

theres a house in dalhoise with what looks like an asian name writen on the wall outside

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perlmonkey:

theres a lot of asians now in Canada I heard, Chinese etc

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clever:

and i found a sheet of paper on the road a short ways from there once and with the help of a friend tryed to translate it online

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hads:

They are American. North America :)

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perlmonkey:

Canada is a land of wealth and opportunity

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clever:

the translation doesnt make much sense

[08:58:21]

clever:

and its chinese

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clever:

one of my friends online was of chinese decent and even his mother couldnt make much sense ofit

[08:58:48]

perlmonkey:

so where does Canada get its wealth from, cuz you were listed as the no1 richest country

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clever:

taxes?:P

[08:59:16]

clever:

I am 20.296138 years old. (I'll be 21 in 36wks 5days 20hrs 8secs.)

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Dagmar:

Exporting maple syrup

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clever:

lol

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perlmonkey:

haha

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perlmonkey:

does Canada have much natural resources like oil and gas?

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Dagmar:

THey also recieve money from the music industry for preventing Celine Dion from releasing more CDs

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perlmonkey:

haha

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clever:

lol

[09:00:22]

perlmonkey:

we get Canadian cheese here which is good

[09:00:35]

clever:

i found this on irc once

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clever:

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Canadia

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Dagmar:

Grade Eh cheese?

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perlmonkey:

I must say the Canadian flag is my favourite

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perlmonkey:

with the little red leaf

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perlmonkey:

is it true the queen of UK is head of Canada or do you guys have a president/republic setup now?

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clever:

i beleive we have a prime minister:P

[09:02:53]

perlmonkey:

its been said that the queen of UK doesnt know the name of Canada's PM

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clever:

heck even i dont know that:P

[09:03:24]

perlmonkey:

haha

[09:03:45]

perlmonkey:

but you know more useful stuff about batteries and solar

[09:03:52]

clever:

yeah

[09:03:57]

clever:

and programing

[09:04:14]

clever:

i was able to modify a line in the mythtv source to increase the debug output on one of the functions

[09:04:18]

perlmonkey:

Canada is big

[09:04:25]

clever:

now i need to wait the 1–2 weeks for the random error to come back

[09:04:43]

perlmonkey:

you're always experimenting and tinkering

[09:04:51]

clever:

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Canada is another one i found on that sitew

[09:05:06]

perlmonkey:

I bet you have a shed full of parts and stuff at the end of your garden

[09:05:13]

clever:

garage:P

[09:05:17]

perlmonkey:

:D

[09:05:22]

clever:

arround 15 computers total

[09:05:31]

clever:

last i counted

[09:05:38]

perlmonkey:

that's how HP started, two guys messing around in a shed with parts

[09:05:38]

clever:

i dont think i counted the sun stations that are starting to pile ip

[09:05:59]

clever:

theres 2 in the room atm

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perlmonkey:

you have Sun hw?!

[09:06:06]

clever:

5 computers total in this room

[09:06:09]

clever:

yes

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perlmonkey:

woah

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perlmonkey:

what do you have?

[09:06:24]

clever:

sun ultra 10

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perlmonkey:

phew I was going to buy one of those still might

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perlmonkey:

do you have any Apricot machines?

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clever:

lol

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clever:

dont think so

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perlmonkey:

you dont know Apricot?

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clever:

nope

[09:07:16]

clever:

my dad works for pms

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clever:

philips medical systems

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perlmonkey:

ACT, was an old British computer maker

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clever:

ahh

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perlmonkey:

their brand was like Apple, but Apricot

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clever:

he fixes xray machines arround the probince

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clever:

the one of them is running off a sun station

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perlmonkey:

phew

[09:08:20]

clever:

fiber optic lines carry the image from the detector to the sun

[09:08:25]

perlmonkey:

so you inherit stuff from your pa?

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clever:

guess how much the detector alone is worth?

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perlmonkey:

i wouldnt be able to guess

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clever:

over 1000$ easily i beleive

[09:09:13]

clever:

and its extremely sensitive to shock and temp

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perlmonkey:

phew, that could go on eBay no?

[09:09:29]

clever:

and one of the ups guys delivering one left it in the truck overnight

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clever:

in the winter:P

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clever:

that aint healthy

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perlmonkey:

there is a computer museum website have you seen it?

[09:10:11]

clever:

dont think so

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perlmonkey:

you must, the Apricot's are shown there

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clever:

i have a pair of c64's

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clever:

is that old enough for you?:P

[09:11:22]

perlmonkey:

thats old!

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perlmonkey:

commodores

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clever:

:D

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perlmonkey:

the zx81's are fetching good prices on eBay these days, like £100-£200 each

[09:12:22]

clever:

the power brick in our c64 went out a while ago

[09:12:31]

clever:

and dad found a whole new one cheap at a store in halifax

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clever:

'new' to us:P

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perlmonkey:

:D

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perlmonkey:

you should preserve that c64

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clever:

ever tryed to fix the power brick?

[09:13:03]

perlmonkey:

never

[09:13:11]

clever:

plastic box

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perlmonkey:

power supplies r cheap to buy eh

[09:13:17]

clever:

with a transformer and stuff in it

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clever:

totaly filled with epoxy

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clever:

imposible to make any repairs:P

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clever:

and its not a standard realy

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perlmonkey:

you have to be careful because those transformer coils can pack a serious punch

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perlmonkey:

even after disconnected for hour

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clever:

puts out i think -+ 5 +-12 and 9v ac i think

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clever:

atleast

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perlmonkey:

i blew up a camera once, a fuji one

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clever:

lol

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perlmonkey:

:D

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perlmonkey:

huge bang, screwdriver

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clever:

ive taken the flash board out of a disposable camera once

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perlmonkey:

inside the circuit, even with no batteries in it

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clever:

could be used to give some1 a nasty zap

[09:14:54]

perlmonkey:

BANG! big flash

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clever:

get the card out of a camera with a flash

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clever:

wire 1 side of the cap to a door knob

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perlmonkey:

cameras would make good remote bomb detonators

[09:15:35]

perlmonkey:

if you were into that kind of shit

[09:15:40]

clever:

put a peice of tape and a exposed wire on the knob

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clever:

so it isnt touching the knob itself

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clever:

attach to cap

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perlmonkey:

haha

[09:16:00]

clever:

wait until a hand completes the curcuit

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hads:

This is pretty far from topic guys.

[09:16:13]

clever:

lol

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perlmonkey:

sorry hads

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clever:

what else are we to do while we wait the 1–2weeks for my bug to ocur?

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perlmonkey:

hads what time is it in US where you are at

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clever:

its 6:17 am here in canada

[09:17:04]

perlmonkey:

you guys are up very late or very early

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hads:

I'm in New Zealand. 21:17

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perlmonkey:

oh

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perlmonkey:

New Zealand is the land of the little kiwi bird

[09:17:38]

perlmonkey:

when I think NZ i think Kiwi

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hads:

:)

[09:18:07]

perlmonkey:

I have kiwi shoe polish also

[09:18:35]

perlmonkey:

I bet NZ is like rural England but more sunny

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perlmonkey:

hads do you go over to Australia much?

[09:19:35]

hads:

It is aparantly quite similar to Ireland in geography and climate.

[09:19:43]

perlmonkey:

oh

[09:19:50]

hads:

perlmonkey: Yes reasonably often, I used to live there.

[09:20:23]

perlmonkey:

Captain Cook thought NZ was Australia

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perlmonkey:

until the natives told him to carry on going and take a right

[09:22:07]

perlmonkey:

how far apart are NZ and Australia, how long would it take you to get there by boat?

[09:22:34]

perlmonkey:

France and England are so close it's possible to swim between the 2 countries if you are very fit

[09:22:47]

hads:

I'm not sure. It's around 3 hours by plane.

[09:22:54]

perlmonkey:

that's quite far

[09:23:02]

hads:

Yeah, no swimming :)

[09:23:34]

perlmonkey:

plus you have nasty big sharks in the south pacific eh

[09:23:47]

perlmonkey:

and that coral reef thing

[09:24:39]

** perlmonkey tries to picture NZ's flag **

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hads:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand

[09:26:36]

perlmonkey:

thanks

[09:26:48]

perlmonkey:

kiwi island

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perlmonkey:

your flag is similiar to australia's

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ifvoid:

hi

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ifvoid:

I'm having some problems with mythtv

[10:08:33]

ifvoid:

I changed some settings yesterday, and now no new recordings are being scheduled for some reason

[10:08:41]

ifvoid:

and I can't figure out why

[10:08:55]

ifvoid:

does anyone perhaps have a clue what I could check?

[10:13:56]

Dagmar:

What you changed yesterday

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perlmonkey:

what did you change

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ifvoid:

I changed the directory where the recordings are stored

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ifvoid:

and moved the old recordings to the new directory

[10:17:54]

rooaus:

ifvoid: You probably need to update the recordings directory in myth, so it knows where to find the recordings.

[10:18:46]

ifvoid:

yeah, I did that

[10:18:51]

ifvoid:

changed it in mythtv-setup

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ifvoid:

but I don't understand how this could cause recordings not to be scheduled

[10:19:30]

ifvoid:

I could imagine the recdordings failing when they start

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rooaus:

ifvoid: Can you watch the previously recorded programs, ie is the new recording directory configured properly?

[10:20:41]

ifvoid:

yes, old recordings work perfectly

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rooaus:

ifvoid: What do you see in your logs, try running "mythbackend -v schedule" plus any other options you might want.

[10:25:07]

ifvoid:

http://paste.debian.net/32275

[10:26:16]

Cry_wolf2:

Anyone here installed 0.20 in debian etch and then applied the fixes in 0.20.1 ?

[10:29:04]

ifvoid:

rooaus: any idea?

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xon_xoff:

Can someone please show me where I can reset my mythmusic database?

[10:32:49]

rooaus:

ifvoid: I will have a look...

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Dagmar:

xon_xoff: The moment you go into setup for the music stuff, it'll rescan your music files

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Dagmar:

Cry_wolf2: There is no 0.20.1 so it should be interesting to see what happens there

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rooaus:

ifvoid: Doesn't seem to be any schedule log entries, maybe you try scheduling a recording to see what is logged.

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rooaus:

ifvoid: Is this meant to be a slave backend? Logs show that it is starting as a slave (line 5).

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ifvoid:

rooaus: no, it should start as the main server

[10:44:00]

ifvoid:

there's no other backend running

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ifvoid:

btw, if I run it with --testched, it _does_ print lots of programs to record

[10:47:09]

Cry_wolf2:

Dagmar: The following fixes have been applied to the release-0-20-fixes branch, formally released as MythTV 0.20.1 on Saturday, April 28, 2007.

[10:47:31]

Cry_wolf2:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.20.1

[10:48:10]

Dagmar:

Do. Not. Care.

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ifvoid:

rooaus: any idea how I tell it to run as a master backend?

[10:48:51]

Dagmar:

There is no point in applying "teh fixes" to 0.20 becuase one can just as easily pull 0.20-fixes in it's entirety and build that

[10:49:08]

Dagmar:

Trying to go at it piecemeal is just adding more chances something could go wrong.

[10:50:12]

Cry_wolf2:

Dagmar: Is there a package in etch for that then ?

[10:50:14]

Cry_wolf2:

:=)

[10:50:21]

rooaus:

ifvoid: I think (not certain) that you have an issue with the backend setup, what are your settings from mythtv-setup->general->host address backend setup (first page)

[10:50:24]

Dagmar:

Ask one of the idiots who makes noobuntu packages

[10:50:51]

clever:

lol

[10:51:01]

Cry_wolf2:

bah...have to go ....will pick this up later

[10:51:03]

clever:

i allways called ubuntu linux for n00bs when talking to friends:P

[10:51:12]

clever:

trying to convince them to switch to linux

[10:53:25]

Dagmar:

I'm just growing weary of the people who skim over webpages to find an "easy" way to do things, which is invariably just a way to f**k things up good and proper, and who then turn around wanting someone to help them fix their mess

[10:54:35]

Dagmar:

...when the simplest answer would have just been to do what was suggested on the web pages they were reading in the first place

[10:54:55]

ifvoid:

rooaus: just localhost

[10:57:23]

ifvoid:

rooaus: hmm, although it has an invalid ip at the "master server ip" field

[10:57:27]

ifvoid:

let me try and fix that

[10:58:30]

rooaus:

ifvoid: Yeah fix that, from your logs it looks like it couldn't find the master backend and just thought it must be a slave backend.

[10:58:55]

clever:

yeah i beleive if the ip for itself doesnt match the master it assumes its a slave

[10:59:18]

clever:

and if nobody matches the ip of the master you wind up with a bunch of mindless slaves sitting and doing nothing:P

[10:59:34]

ifvoid:

rooaus: ahh, excellent

[10:59:37]

ifvoid:

seems to work now!

[10:59:59]

rooaus:

clever: An army of mindless slaves...

[11:00:05]

clever:

lol yeah:P

[11:00:24]

clever:

except ifvoid had just 1 slave sitting and doing nothing

[11:00:25]

rooaus:

ifvoid: cool

[11:01:20]

rooaus:

clever: Hardly an army, but you got to start small and work your way up :)

[11:01:28]

clever:

lol

[11:01:39]

clever:

but without a master the slaves cant do crap:P

[11:02:02]

clever:

i beleive the master is what does most of the sceduling in mythtv and without that nothing records

[11:02:35]

ifvoid:

so, now that I'm here anyway

[11:02:53]

ifvoid:

is it possible to use postgresql with mythtv instead of mysql?

[11:02:58]

laga:

no

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rooaus:

clever: Your right as far as I know, the master does the scheduling and expiring and other things, the slaves are just that.

[11:03:12]

clever:

slaves can record though

[11:03:20]

clever:

if a master tells them to i think

[11:03:28]

ifvoid:

laga: hmm, too bad

[11:04:16]

rooaus:

ifvoid: Why postgresql?

[11:04:26]

laga:

ifvoid: it comes up on the ML from time to time, maybe you want to check there

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ifvoid:

rooaus: well, I have a dedicated mythtv box, that is only turned on when it records (with a wake-on-lan setup)

[11:05:22]

ifvoid:

rooaus: but that's a bit annoying, because I can't add recordings when it's turned off

[11:06:00]

rooaus:

laga: I think the current plans are to embed mysql as sqlite doesn't cut it because of the Big F'g Scheduler Query (BFSQ)

[11:06:38]

rooaus:

ifvoid: Is the postgresql running on another "always on" machine?

[11:06:43]

laga:

rooaus: yes

[11:06:44]

ifvoid:

but my server runs postgres, not mysql, so I can't easily add a slave there

[11:06:47]

ifvoid:

rooaus: yes

[11:07:43]

laga:

ifvoid: you only need one mysql database

[11:08:06]

ifvoid:

laga: yeah, but currently that's on a machine that's not always on

[11:08:18]

rooaus:

ifvoid: Can't postgresql run on the same machine as mysql? I haven't ever looked at postgresql.

[11:08:34]

laga:

and nothing prevents you from running postgresql on the same machine as mysql AFAIK

[11:08:34]

clever:

you can run mysql on a non standard port if the other is ocupying it

[11:08:47]

ifvoid:

rooaus: sure, but the machine has limited memory,a dn I don't really want to run 2 databses on it

[11:09:00]

clever:

thats what swap is for

[11:09:18]

clever:

performance may go down some if its actualy too low but it wont crash

[11:10:13]

rooaus:

ifvoid: I was going to suggest running the master backend on the always on machine, without any tuners. It could then Wake On Lan the dedicated slave backend / frontend when recording.

[11:10:24]

** perlmonkey takes clever's toughbook **

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clever:

im running 2 slave backends atm on hosts that dont even have tuners

[11:11:47]

clever:

1 is a dedicated comm flagign host

[11:11:56]

clever:

the other is a spare storage drive

[11:12:02]

perlmonkey:

how reliable is comm removal?

[11:12:12]

perlmonkey:

I never tried to do that before

[11:12:16]

clever:

i find it works well for most shows

[11:12:27]

rooaus:

clever: And to think people say why myth when I can run MCE... blah!!!!!!!!!

[11:12:33]

clever:

but on some it may mark the end of every comercial instead of the whole group

[11:12:34]

ifvoid:

rooaus: yeah, I guess that makes sense

[11:12:44]

perlmonkey:

when you remove the comms is that done by re-transcoding the show after its recorded and does it require a lot of CPU?

[11:12:50]

ifvoid:

rooaus: I'll need to see if the machine can handle the two databses and a backend though

[11:12:57]

anykey_:

perlmonkey: it just adds cut-points

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perlmonkey:

oh

[11:13:07]

clever:

perlmonkey: it decodes and processes the video to find it and just skips over that part later

[11:13:14]

clever:

the comercials stay in the recording

[11:13:22]

Dagmar:

...which are usually in the wrong places, but we'll leave that as a suprise for you to find out

[11:13:29]

perlmonkey:

so it shouldnt actually take any longer to process recordings than normal recording time?

[11:13:39]

clever:

depends on your cpu

[11:13:59]

clever:

my 1ghz laptop is able to commflag a 1hour file in just slightly under an hour i think

[11:14:03]

perlmonkey:

oh, so the process is dependent on cpu power?

[11:14:04]

clever:

when its got 100mbit to the backend

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Dagmar:

Holy crap tthat's slow

[11:14:11]

perlmonkey:

even with hardware encoder cards?

[11:14:14]

ifvoid:

clever: 1hour?

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clever:

but its on wifi atm

[11:14:19]

ifvoid:

clever: that's pretty slow

[11:14:29]

Dagmar:

It takes my box like 5–6 minutes

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ifvoid:

what does the commflagging do, exactly?

[11:14:36]

clever:

about 1:1 for flaging and runtime

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perlmonkey:

Dagmar whats your box

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clever:

Dagmar: lol

[11:14:50]

Dagmar:

AMD 3200+

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Dagmar:

Nothing terribly special

[11:15:06]

perlmonkey:

i got no chance then my box is P3–733

[11:15:09]

clever:

im doing my flaging on a 1ghz laptop

[11:15:20]

perlmonkey:

I should forget doing flagging?

[11:15:34]

clever:

you could do flaging on all the frontends(if you add them later)

[11:15:40]

rooaus:

perlmonkey: It is worth trying, commflagging just creates the cut list, if you then transcode it will cut out the "ads". But you can watch the recordings with the cutlist, if it wrong you just hit the skip back.

[11:15:45]

Dagmar:

perlmonkey: You'd better not be trying to run the backend on that 733

[11:15:47]

perlmonkey:

I could go to a P4 1.7Ghz but thats my limit

[11:15:51]

clever:

just by running a backend on there and turning an option off it will flag on all hosts with backends

[11:16:04]

perlmonkey:

cool

[11:16:27]

perlmonkey:

Dagmar: i am, and its also my frontend AND my main workstation desktop

[11:16:30]

perlmonkey:

hehe

[11:16:44]

Dagmar:

perlmonkey: You probably have a Bt878 card in it as well

[11:16:51]

perlmonkey:

but its only a temporary situation, I am just in the process of setting up a dedicated master backend

[11:16:59]

clever:

i shoved my bttv card into a random linux box to see what use i could put it to

[11:17:02]

perlmonkey:

no way, I have a PVR150

[11:17:09]

clever:

and it wound up taking over the cpu and harddrive space:P

[11:17:28]

Dagmar:

perlmonkey: okay, that's probably tolerable

[11:17:29]

rooaus:

perlmonkey: You can schedule when commflagging can run, allow it only between 2am and 6am or something. It doesn't have to run realtime, as long as you can wait for it to finish before you watch then recording, next day or similar.

[11:17:35]

Dagmar:

THe machine should be able to handle doing commflagging

[11:17:42]

Dagmar:

It's just going to be slowish

[11:17:51]

clever:

rooaus: i cant actualy run flaging in realtime

[11:17:57]

perlmonkey:

oh

[11:17:59]

Dagmar:

You should be able to get it to renice the commflagging job so that everything else has higher priority

[11:17:59]

clever:

the flager hits the end of the file within 5mins and stops

[11:18:04]

perlmonkey:

cool

[11:18:08]

clever:

Dagmar: should i file a ticket for that?:P

[11:18:17]

perlmonkey:

i need to learn more about this as comms r annoying

[11:18:31]

Dagmar:

clever: Considerin how nearly useless realtime commflagging is, I wouldn't bother.

[11:18:41]

clever:

Dagmar: why is it useless?

[11:18:54]

Dagmar:

You have to ask this?

[11:18:59]

clever:

if you just pause livetv for 3mins to get something youll have enough of a backlog to let you skip a com or 2:P

[11:19:22]

perlmonkey:

true

[11:19:32]

Dagmar:

It can't meaningfully flag a commercial block until it's seen the end of it for one thing

[11:19:45]

Dagmar:

3 minutes would let you skip *one* block of commercials.

[11:19:52]

clever:

you could pause it at the start of a comercial and go to do something

[11:19:59]

perlmonkey:

is it possible to manually filter adverts by simplying "pausing" the recording when the adverts come up?

[11:20:05]

clever:

and if you take longer then the comercial you didnt realy miss much because it was paused

[11:20:12]

Dagmar:

perlmonkey: No

[11:20:18]

rooaus:

clever: Commflagging uses as much info as it can get to mark adds, its accuracy improves the more of the recording it has processed.

[11:20:18]

Dagmar:

clever: But you still wasted your time

[11:20:22]

perlmonkey:

I tried that once but ended up with a broken recording lots of small files

[11:20:27]

clever:

but you can manualy fastforward over it when watching

[11:20:39]

Dagmar:

Yes, if you wait until it's completely done recording and commflagging

[11:21:02]

perlmonkey:

can you manually flag adverts and tell it when adverts begin and end, at least?

[11:21:23]

Dagmar:

Yes, and this is stuff you'd know if you read the documentation

[11:21:29]

perlmonkey:

:-/

[11:21:36]

perlmonkey:

/hangs head in shame

[11:21:48]

rooaus:

perlmonkey: Yes, you can manually create a cut list, I do it for a lot of music specials I record.

[11:21:51]

clever:

lol

[11:21:57]

perlmonkey:

cool

[11:22:14]

perlmonkey:

so then you can re-use it and apply it to same shows/channels?

[11:22:14]

Dagmar:

I generally let teh commflagger have it's way and tell the frontend to skip 'em with a 5sec warning

[11:22:38]

Dagmar:

perlmonkey: Sure if you want to arbitrarily rip chunks out of your shows at random

[11:22:40]

perlmonkey:

I would be worried to let the commflagger do its own thing incase it screwed up valuable recordings

[11:22:51]

Dagmar:

Then don't have it auto-transcode using the cutlist

[11:22:57]

perlmonkey:

ok

[11:23:01]

Dagmar:

The only thing the commflagger does is create a list of cut points.

[11:23:15]

Dagmar:

During playback, if you TOLD it to, it'll use those cut points to skip parts of the file

[11:23:23]

perlmonkey:

how can you verify those points before you transcode

[11:23:27]

Dagmar:

If you didn't tell it to, it'll merrily not bother skipping anything

[11:23:28]

perlmonkey:

oh

[11:23:32]

Dagmar:

You use the cutlist editor.

[11:23:36]

Dagmar:

Something ELSE that's in the documentation

[11:23:48]

** perlmonkey cringes **

[11:24:10]

rooaus:

perlmonkey: It is worth reading the docs, wiki, subscribing to mailing list. There are a lot of things myth can do, "Myth, short on eye candy, packed full of features" :)

[11:24:27]

perlmonkey:

i will do some reading today

[11:24:52]

rooaus:

perlmonkey: To get an idea try hitting e while watching a recording, it will start the cut point editor.

[11:25:04]

perlmonkey:

coool

[11:25:21]

perlmonkey:

I'm having a problem tuning my tuner

[11:26:09]

perlmonkey:

I just put a brand new PVR-150 into a new box which I wanted to setup as a master backend, the input is terrestrial analogue tv signal from tv antenna

[11:27:00]

perlmonkey:

when I click "scan channels" it adds a load of channels (more than I should even be able to receive on analogue tv!) but they are not properly tuned when I try and watch them

[11:27:06]

rooaus:

perlmonkey: I only use DVB-T not sure about the ivtv stuff.

[11:27:12]

perlmonkey:

am I doing something wrong/missing the point?

[11:27:16]

perlmonkey:

oh

[11:27:58]

perlmonkey:

I'm wondering whether I need to scan for channels at all? perhaps its just a matter of adding the channels/frequencies from the UK tv source grabber?

[11:28:10]

perlmonkey:

the documentation isnt too clear on this

[11:29:00]

rooaus:

perlmonkey: I think you still need to tune, you may need to make sure you have set the right frequency table in mythtv-setup.

[11:29:09]

perlmonkey:

I guess I could finetune the channels, but that seems a long winded process, theres no quick way to see what you're tuning?

[11:29:17]

perlmonkey:

ok

[11:29:54]

perlmonkey:

I think I may have complicated matters as I already have a backend setup to cable STB, and I let my new master backend use the existing db

[11:30:05]

perlmonkey:

maybe I should start over from fresh db?

[11:31:08]

perlmonkey:

tis tricky

[11:31:23]

perlmonkey:

I dont wanna lose all my old recordings

[11:31:33]

rooaus:

perlmonkey: backup the current db and try to get it going with a fresh db. Once you get it working then try to get it working with your old db

[11:31:43]

perlmonkey:

okay good idea

[11:31:56]

laga:

you can copy over your old "recorded" table and modify the hostname entry...

[11:32:04]

perlmonkey:

I should maybe verify the analogue signal on normal tv also, as my antenna might not be there anymore

[11:32:19]

perlmonkey:

we had some bad winds around here lately

[11:32:28]

clever:

lol

[11:32:31]

perlmonkey:

:D

[11:32:38]

clever:

im using an external tuner

[11:32:50]

clever:

didnt get the chance to mess with all the channel scaning 'fun':P

[11:32:54]

rooaus:

perlmonkey: The wiki and the docs have some info about preserving old recordings. Look for something about moving to new hardware.

[11:32:56]

perlmonkey:

phew

[11:33:09]

perlmonkey:

rooaus: ahh thanks for that tip

[11:33:55]

perlmonkey:

mythtv can be a complicated beast

[11:34:01]

perlmonkey:

but when its going its damn good

[11:34:15]

rooaus:

:)

[11:34:57]

clever:

2007-07–08 06:25:29.338 MythSocket(83fc848:18): DownRef: 1

[11:34:57]

clever:

2007-07–08 06:25:29.340 MythSocket(8202368:-1): UpRef: 2

[11:35:06]

perlmonkey:

I wanted to use analogue tv on my tuner since I do most recording on terrestrial tv channels and I figured why leave on my STB all day and have to do manual channel changing, since I have no way to change channels on cable

[11:35:06]

** clever wonders what half those numbers stand for:P **

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laga:

Dagmar: i feel really silly, but my perl book doesn't seem to cover my question so i hope you can help me: i want to extract the

[11:35:36]

laga:

"y" in the file name, but "$result" just contains 1. doyou know how i could do that? http://www.pastebin.ca/608546

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clever:

perlmonkey: with a few parts i was able to make a ir blaster for lirc

[11:36:12]

clever:

perlmonkey: so now mythtv is able to change the channel on my digital cable box

[11:36:17]

** perlmonkey is hooked on google maps cuz of clever **

[11:36:22]

clever:

lol

[11:36:26]

perlmonkey:

:P

[11:36:48]

perlmonkey:

clever: I tried to do something also but my STB is a bit non-standard for IR which sux

[11:36:55]

Dagmar:

laga: Yeah gimme a sec

[11:37:10]

clever:

i have yet to get a lirc receiver working

[11:37:18]

clever:

but i managed to find a download for my digital box on the lirc site

[11:37:21]

clever:

which has all the codes

[11:37:24]

Dagmar:

laga: Eep! Any line starting with "$_=" is probably stupid

[11:37:28]

perlmonkey:

phew you are lucky

[11:37:30]

laga:

Dagmar: thanks, its much appreciated

[11:37:47]

Dagmar:

laga: my $result =~ /regexp/;

[11:37:53]

laga:

Dagmar: it was "my $filename="blah" before, but i decided to change it..

[11:37:54]

perlmonkey:

I got a piece of hardware (red-eye) which can convert the codes for my STB, from some kind person in this channel

[11:38:08]

perlmonkey:

but I dont have a remote or receiver with my PVR card

[11:38:12]

clever:

i cant actualy turn the tv itself on/off with the mythtv

[11:38:18]

clever:

and i cant find the ir codes for the tv

[11:38:19]

perlmonkey:

phew

[11:38:37]

Dagmar:

laga: And afaik positional matches do not work lik eyou're trying to do there. They're only valid inside of a conditional block

[11:38:39]

clever:

and my mythtv 'remote' is a keyboard on 10feet of extension cables

[11:39:08]

Dagmar:

Now, if you did if ($result =~ /(.*)\.xml$/;) { print "$1\n"; } you'd get what you want

[11:39:12]

rooaus:

I hate saying this, but apparently the MCE remote receiver and blaster works well in linux.

[11:39:19]

rooaus:

I feel dirty now....

[11:39:23]

clever:

lol

[11:39:35]

perlmonkey:

I'm thinking perhaps its best to just use a wifi keyboard?

[11:39:36]

clever:

that makes it easy for those bastards to switch:P

[11:39:38]

perlmonkey:

as a remote

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Dagmar:

laga: ...but there's a yet easier wya to do all this

[11:40:00]

perlmonkey:

IR keyboard rather

[11:40:14]

clever:

i have a mini keyboard

[11:40:17]

perlmonkey:

remotes are limited anyway eh

[11:40:22]

clever:

its slightly smaller then the keyboard in my laptop

[11:40:31]

perlmonkey:

if you want to get the most from your backend station you need a proper keyboard

[11:40:32]

clever:

missing the number pad and stuff

[11:40:33]

laga:

i'd appreciate a hint. so far i've managed to write 130 lines without a lot of help but i'm stuck now

[11:40:42]

perlmonkey:

cool

[11:40:45]

clever:

and has a FN key like a laptop to let you get at a hidden numpad

[11:40:52]

perlmonkey:

clever is it wireless?

[11:40:57]

clever:

wired

[11:41:07]

clever:

the extensions are the old large style keyboard plug

[11:41:16]

clever:

so the keyboard goes into an adapter to make it larger

[11:41:18]

perlmonkey:

oh yes

[11:41:19]

clever:

thru 2 extensions

[11:41:29]

clever:

then another adapter to make it small again so it fits the pc:P

[11:41:40]

perlmonkey:

haha

[11:42:03]

perlmonkey:

wireless keyboards is next thing to shop for

[11:42:15]

clever:

dont have any of those

[11:42:19]

clever:

but i have a wireless mouse

[11:42:37]

perlmonkey:

can you change channels with it

[11:42:56]

clever:

the keyboard lets me control all of mythfrontend

[11:43:05]

perlmonkey:

if you have your frontend on your laptop and its wifi you dont need to bother

[11:43:12]

clever:

yeah

[11:43:16]

Dagmar:

laga: http://www.pastebin.ca/608560

[11:43:19]

clever:

but the laptop isnt useable for tv atm

[11:43:22]

rooaus:

perlmonkey: I am happy with my Logitech DiNovo Edge, works from all around the house and looks nice. Expensive though, but cheaper than the three other keyboards I tried before.

[11:43:27]

perlmonkey:

I have a frontend on this machine but the video is a big choppy

[11:43:30]

Dagmar:

laga: When you explicitly load things into $_ you are just wasting your time

[11:43:48]

perlmonkey:

(toshiba tecra 8100 / P3–600 / 256MB)

[11:44:23]

perlmonkey:

rooaus: i am a fan of logitech stuff so I will look at whats available

[11:44:45]

perlmonkey:

for my limited budget :P

[11:45:07]

Dagmar:

There's a way to do this in one line but I can't remember the exact syntax because it's weird

[11:45:22]

perlmonkey:

I just bought a Toshiba 9100 laptop and the lcd died in like 2 weeks, worse luck

[11:45:23]

laga:

Dagmar: my perl book seems to load things into $_ sometimes. maybe they do it because it's easier to shows $stuff that way

[11:45:30]

Dagmar:

Could be

[11:45:41]

perlmonkey:

the video ran so smooth on that 9100 over 11b even

[11:45:54]

perlmonkey:

live tv over wifi is cool

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rooaus:

FYI, the trackpad works with the later kernels (2.6.20 I think), the charger for it means it stays charged and doesn't take much space on the coffee table. Best thing is the range though, probably cause it is always charged.

[11:46:27]

perlmonkey:

I need that

[11:46:33]

perlmonkey:

how much $?

[11:46:40]

clever:

ive had my wireless mouse work from the other floor

[11:46:50]

clever:

receiver in the basement ontop of a book shelf

[11:47:01]

clever:

mouse on the kitchen counter directly above it 1 floor

[11:47:07]

perlmonkey:

clever does it use RF not IR?

[11:47:11]

clever:

tvout running thru a hole near the drain pipe

[11:47:14]

clever:

rf

[11:47:17]

perlmonkey:

cool

[11:47:19]

rooaus:

Australian it was $290, but everything is dear here.

[11:47:28]

clever:

having it near a wire which passes by the receiver helps extend the range greatly

[11:47:34]

laga:

Dagmar: thanks. i feel stupid now. :)

[11:47:40]

perlmonkey:

6 aud = £1 i think

[11:47:42]

clever:

i can allmost use it halfway across the house

[11:48:07]

rooaus:

perlmonkey: bluetooth, comes with the dongle and shows up as USB HID keyboard and mouse. Works in BIOS etc.

[11:48:08]

perlmonkey:

lets see, thats £48

[11:48:15]

perlmonkey:

thats not too bad

[11:48:39]

perlmonkey:

ok its a lot, but these will last years and years

[11:49:32]

perlmonkey:

many laptops have IR built in but its not good for remote controlling eh

[11:49:44]

perlmonkey:

also pda's and fones

[11:49:47]

rooaus:

It looks, and more importantly feels like quality.

[11:49:56]

perlmonkey:

my mobile has IR

[11:50:14]

laga:

Dagmar: i didn't remember that substituting parts of the filename would work here.

[11:50:26]

** perlmonkey shops for logitech **

[11:51:26]

** perlmonkey puts two batteries in laptop and unplugs mains ready to go to kitchen **

[11:52:02]

perlmonkey:

hope these babies r fully charged

[11:53:12]

clever:

my laptop can take a batery in the cd bay

[11:53:17]

perlmonkey:

mine too

[11:53:19]

clever:

and it also has a slot just for a batery

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Dagmar:

laga: Well, your options are basically to strip away the parts you don't want, or copy the parts you do want into a new variable. The former method is almost always going to be more efficient.

[11:53:29]

perlmonkey:

thats the good thing about toshibas

[11:53:32]

clever:

but i currently have no way to tell it i want to eject the cd drive

[11:53:35]

clever:

like i did in winblows

[11:53:38]

perlmonkey:

everything is modular and compatible between models

[11:53:57]

clever:

dell is somewhat modular but the models i have arent compatible

[11:54:05]

clever:

except the external floppy drive from the newest one

[11:54:06]

perlmonkey:

:-/

[11:54:08]

laga:

Dagmar: i'm just stripping what i don't need :)

[11:54:15]

subx:

is there any advantage in having 2x hard drives in a mythtv box, one for OS and one for video?

[11:54:19]

clever:

the floppy drive has a bay connector for just that laptop

[11:54:19]

laga:

regexp can't be that hard

[11:54:22]

Dagmar:

laga: There's also the matter of if you store something in $_, you should really just operate directly on $_ at that points. See http://www.pastebin.ca/608572

[11:54:23]

clever:

AND a usb plug

[11:54:35]

clever:

so i can use the floppy drive from the laptop on any pc with usb

[11:54:54]

Dagmar:

laga: Your first example looked like an attempt to store the filename sans extention in $1

[11:55:03]

Dagmar:

laga: perl regexp isn't *quite* like sed regexp

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rooaus:

subx: Yes, put the mysql database on one spindle and the recordings directories on the other.

[11:55:29]

laga:

Dagmar: no, it really was an attempt to extract "y", eg the last letter before ".xml"

[11:55:31]

Dagmar:

Parenthesis in perl regexps don't "capture" substrings unless you're doing it inside a conditional blcok

[11:55:34]

Dagmar:

Ahhh

[11:55:36]

perlmonkey:

i gotta install some battery monitoring utility to show how much juice I got left

[11:55:37]

laga:

Dagmar: that's ok, i don't know sed regexp either :)

[11:55:46]

laga:

perlmonkey: cat /proc/acpi/...

[11:55:50]

perlmonkey:

thanks

[11:55:52]

Dagmar:

Lemme tink dis one troo

[11:56:17]

laga:

Dagmar: i believe that the length of the file name will be consistent. it shouldn't be that hard.

[11:56:58]

subx:

rooaus: ill order another small quiet hard drive for the OS, mysql etc..

[11:57:04]

perlmonkey:

ubuntu is greedy for mem

[11:57:12]

perlmonkey:

but better for mythtv

[11:57:41]

subx:

why is ubuntu better for mythtv?

[11:58:14]

perlmonkey:

I found it much easier to get setup in my own situation than using Debian, but then my setup is a little quirky, running mythtv over nfs

[11:58:26]

perlmonkey:

documentation is nice and ubuntu has all the packages

[11:58:53]

laga:

Dagmar: http://www.pastebin.ca/608577 – that's what i'm doing now. it's ugly, but i have no clue how i'd combine those two regexps in one line

[11:58:59]

perlmonkey:

full mythtv support for every scenario

[11:59:00]

subx:

running mythtv over nfs sounds interesting

[11:59:04]

perlmonkey:

:D

[11:59:32]

Dagmar:

laga: http://www.pastebin.ca/608578

[11:59:53]

perlmonkey:

im using a soft raid for my media storage over nfs, and a shared /home, and I have frontend using 11b wifi

[12:00:20]

Dagmar:

laga: So you're wanting to remove the first 22 non-whitespace characters?

[12:00:22]

subx:

a wireless front also sounds interesting

[12:00:46]

laga:

Dagmar: and the .xml suffix

[12:01:01]

Dagmar:

No seriously... Think carefully

[12:01:03]

perlmonkey:

i didnt think 11b would be good enough but my network setup runs perfectly

[12:01:20]

Dagmar:

You actually want to get rid of 22 characters, even if the filename structure might change?

[12:01:41]

Dagmar:

If what you _really_ want is the last character in the stub name, the pastebin I just posted does it the correct/efficient way

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Dagmar:

You could also use s/\w{22}(.)\.xml/$1/;

[12:02:30]

laga:

Dagmar: i don't see how the file name might change, but yours does look better.

[12:02:36]

perlmonkey:

I just purchased a Nvidia geoforce FX5300 card for tv out, do you guys rate this card much? its all I could afford

[12:03:00]

Dagmar:

laga: It's simpler because I bound things to the far end of string, and closed with a greedy match

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Dagmar:

So basically, perl would match ".xml" working from the right, snarf out the one character, and then more or less quit looking very hard once it sees the .* meaning basically "match everything"

[12:03:46]

laga:

Dagmar: does $1 stand for on (.)?

[12:03:53]

Dagmar:

$1 is a positional

[12:04:51]

Dagmar:

If you did s/alpha (\w+) charlie (\w+) eagle/$1 $2/; you'd get "bravo delta"

[12:05:12]

Dagmar:

The $1 meaning the first parenthesis surrounded substring, the $2 being the smae for the second

[12:05:35]

laga:

right, that's what i was suspecting

[12:05:51]

laga:

thanks, i'll make sure to give your regexp magic proper credit in my script :)

[12:06:01]

Dagmar:

It's actually really useful when you do it inside an if statement

[12:06:13]

Dagmar:

Like, most of IRC traffic can be parsed like so...

[12:06:27]

laga:

s/\w/crap/

[12:07:38]

Dagmar:

if ( /^(\w+): (\w+) (\w+) :(.*)/ ) { my ($server, $uhost, $cmd, $freetext) = ($1, $2, $3, $4); ... }

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Dagmar:

...which lets you simultaneously look for strings that match the pattern and load the elemtns of that pattern into variables all in one stroke

[12:08:43]

laga:

nifty

[12:08:46]

laga:

perl is useful

[12:08:48]

laga:

and confusing :)

[12:08:56]

Dagmar:

It was designed for parsing text, very very fast.

[12:09:02]

laga:

yup

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Dagmar:

Practical Extraction and Reporting Language

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doc_:

hi there

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Cry_wolf2:

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Cry_wolf2:

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laga:

Cry_wolf2: the debian packages are usually built from the release-0-20-fixes branch.

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laga:

do you need any specific fixes?

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Dagmar:

Cry_wolf2: I'm actually trying to _save_ you pain and bother

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Cry_wolf2:

Version: 0.20-svn20070223–0.0

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Dagmar:

Yep, that's kinda an old one tho

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Cry_wolf2:

And according to mythtv.org the fixes release was in april

[12:20:07]

Dagmar:

...but the good news is that if you know how to make a deb package rebuild itself, the same scripts should be able to do a brand new pull from SVN 0.20-fixes

[12:20:26]

Dagmar:

Nope. 0.20-fixes picks up new stuff every few days or so

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Cry_wolf2:

There is some .debs in the debian-multimedia...like mythtv_0.20-svn20070609–0.1_all.deb

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perlmonkey:

whats a sensible sized (entry level/budget) hdd for mythtv?

[12:22:14]

perlmonkey:

I filled up my 72GB raid in like a little under 2 weeks of setting up mythtv

[12:22:36]

Dagmar:

Have you looked at HD prices lately?

[12:22:54]

Dagmar:

There's not really much point in buying less than a 500Gb drive

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perlmonkey:

no I'm really out of touch with prices on new hardware I usually buy old stuff off eBay mostly

[12:23:01]

perlmonkey:

phew

[12:23:39]

perlmonkey:

its a waste of time then buying 2nd user hdd's when new ones are cheap now?

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rooaus:

perlmonkey: I have 2x250G and 1x320GB that I have recently added and want to swap one of the 250s for a 750. Depends on your budget, there a people with 2TB NAS.

[12:24:04]

perlmonkey:

phew

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perlmonkey:

I think my needs are much more modest, I'm happy to archive stuff to dvd too to save space and don't really record much

[12:24:43]

perlmonkey:

maybe 250GB would be ok eh

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rooaus:

perlmonkey: 250GB is OK, do you plan on ripping your music collection or dvd collection?

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perlmonkey:

nah

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rooaus:

If your case can take extra HDD you can _easily_ add extra HDD later. That is the great thing about storage groups.

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perlmonkey:

cool

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perlmonkey:

does hdd performance/spin speed matter much in mythtv?

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perlmonkey:

or just a plain old ide drive just as good?

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clever:

i think what matters more its the mb/sec rate

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clever:

my tv recordings i think are about 300kb/sec

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perlmonkey:

standard ide should handle that no problem eh

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rooaus:

perlmonkey: Not really, only thing is put the mysql database on a different HDD if you can.

[12:28:48]

perlmonkey:

my mysql server is running my a dedicated server which is very fast raid, 15k scsi

[12:28:54]

perlmonkey:

so that should work out ok eh

[12:29:20]

perlmonkey:

i will put a standard 250GB ide drive in the backend machine, which is a SFF dell box

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rooaus:

Not really that important though. Don't think you will have probs with your DB though :)

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perlmonkey:

cool

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perlmonkey:

I hope the Nvidia card I bought works in my Dell machine, the card is 8x AGP but I think my dell mobo is only 4x AGP

[12:30:21]

perlmonkey:

should be backwards compatible?

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laga:

should be, yup

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laga:

unless it blows up ;)

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perlmonkey:

haha

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rooaus:

I think it should be cool.

[12:31:00]

perlmonkey:

paid £20 for that card, new

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perlmonkey:

I had to buy a low profile one on account of the SFF box which I purchased specially so it fits under the tv

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perlmonkey:

everything is taking shape, now if I can just tune this damn PVR card... :P

[12:32:48]

** perlmonkey checks antenna for signal **

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rooaus:

I am using a uneed X11, worth it as people don't know it is a PC.

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perlmonkey:

phew

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** perlmonkey looks at all the mass of wires behind the tv and does a fear grin **

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perlmonkey:

looks like my antenna is screwed :-/

[12:37:05]

perlmonkey:

or gone

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** perlmonkey climbs onto the roof from balcony **

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perlmonkey:

is it possible to tune channel while watching channel

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rooaus:

might be able to with the channel editor, I think you can bring it up while watching livetv. Not certain though.

[12:44:38]

perlmonkey:

:-/ i got channel editor up while watchin tv but i can see no option to tune

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** perlmonkey presses all keys randomly **

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laga:

there is none

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laga:

i'd recommend mplayer anyways

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OpenMediaSupport:

"e" to edit details.

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laga:

because mythtv always buffers

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perlmonkey:

ok

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perlmonkey:

buffering is good timeshifting no?

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OpenMediaSupport:

Buffering rocks when you accept that it is there.

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laga:

buffering is not that great for antenna adjusts, though

[12:46:30]

OpenMediaSupport:

The sooner you give up on LiveTV altogether the better

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laga:

adjustments*

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perlmonkey:

oh

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OpenMediaSupport:

laga: quite right.

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perlmonkey:

i can tune my pvr using mplayer?

[12:48:15]

perlmonkey:

when I boot into X I get a black screen and Mythtv logo

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perlmonkey:

how cool is that

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laga:

pvr? as in "pvr 150"?

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perlmonkey:

X is supressed and Mythtv frontend starts up

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perlmonkey:

yes 150

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perlmonkey:

i need a way to tune the channels

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laga:

X is not suppressed, X is still running :)

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laga:

perlmonkey: i assume that you can pass frequencies to mplayer

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perlmonkey:

hehe true, but i mean the desktop

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laga:

that's a different story :P

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perlmonkey:

I dont have mplayer but I will install it

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perlmonkey:

my tv signal is good, i just had the cable going into FM (radio) on wall socket instead of TV :P

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laga:

duh

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perlmonkey:

i couldnt see back there, was too dusty

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laga:

!

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rooaus:

I thought you could tune in the channel editor, maybe someone had a patch to do it... can't remember now. Oh well.

[12:51:54]

perlmonkey:

that sux

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OpenMediaSupport:

tried ivtvtune?

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perlmonkey:

we need to tune in the editor

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laga:

perlmonkey: tried a vacuum cleaner?

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perlmonkey:

haha

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perlmonkey:

woah ivtvtune

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OpenMediaSupport:

Hmmm. Remembers using a vacuum cleaner on a Mini

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perlmonkey:

thats the ticket

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OpenMediaSupport:

and I don't mean a car

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OpenMediaSupport:

sorry ivtv-tune

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OpenMediaSupport:

also scantv

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perlmonkey:

neat

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OpenMediaSupport:

scantv – scan a v4l device for TV stations.

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perlmonkey:

will it tune the device or just get frequencies so they can entered into mythtv?

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perlmonkey:

i dunno how this works, this tuning stuff

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OpenMediaSupport:

Scantv gets the frequencies, then you can use ivtv-tune.

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perlmonkey:

ok

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OpenMediaSupport:

Or you can just do a channel scn inside mythtv

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OpenMediaSupport:

sorry channel scan

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perlmonkey:

I tried that, but it got a lot of channels I shouldnt even have

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laga:

o_O

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Dagmar:

YAY

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perlmonkey:

and they were all poorly tuned, hardly visible

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perlmonkey:

hehe

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OpenMediaSupport:

Ah.

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perlmonkey:

well terrestrial tv in UK is only 5 channels for analogue still?

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OpenMediaSupport:

You might have to delete some (d)

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OpenMediaSupport:

Same here in NZ.

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perlmonkey:

but i got about 12 from scanning in mythtv

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perlmonkey:

so maybe some were duplicates

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OpenMediaSupport:

I get lots of stuff on UHF that I need to delete – so in the channel editor just hit "D" on those channels

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perlmonkey:

ok I will make a note

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immolo:

perlmonkey- 6 if you have local tv as well

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OpenMediaSupport:

Hang on a mo I've got a guide

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OpenMediaSupport:

http://openmedia.co.nz/openmedia/content/view/81/59/

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perlmonkey:

thanks

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OpenMediaSupport:

Some of it is NZ specific but it should be enought to point you in the right direction

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OpenMediaSupport:

(scouser here by the way)

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OpenMediaSupport:

So perlmonkey which transmitter are you on and why don't you have a DVB-T card

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rooaus:

OpenMediaSupport: Great doco...

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OpenMediaSupport:

http://openmedia.co.nz/openmedia/content/category/4/68/58/ For the main index

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OpenMediaSupport:

http://openmedia.co.nz/openmedia/content/blogcategory/71/70/ for some of our other guides.

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Dagmar:

I'd just like to point out that you're taking advice from someone who freely admitted to having the nickname "SCO User"

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OpenMediaSupport:

Consumers can't handle the MythTV wiki based documentation (sadly). If it isn't printed with the box then they aren't interested

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OpenMediaSupport:

Who was "SCO User" then?

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Dagmar:

<OpenMediaSupport> (scouser here by the way)

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Dagmar:

Hell, consumers can't be bothered to read anything not written across a pair of breasts

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OpenMediaSupport:

Oh cheers. I mean't I'm from Liverpool.. Althought I have (shudder) used SCO in the past

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Dagmar:

Ah

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OpenMediaSupport:

Ah consumers, LCD (not drugs)

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OpenMediaSupport:

souse = food of the gods

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perlmonkey:

OpenMediaSupport: I'm in the central/carlton region and theres no digital receiption here yet, I checked and they said not available until 2011

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OpenMediaSupport:

sorry scouse

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OpenMediaSupport:

Ouch... Hmm A bit odd. I'd have thought you'd have gotten atleast 2–3 multiplexes.

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OpenMediaSupport:

Get a dish :)

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perlmonkey:

:D

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OpenMediaSupport:

Anyway night all. 1am here

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OpenMediaSupport:

Have fune with your channel tuning experiments.

[13:01:47]

OpenMediaSupport:

PVR150 cards rock.

[13:01:52]

perlmonkey:

ack, myth frontend took my X session down, wish it wouldnt do that

[13:01:54]

OpenMediaSupport:

http://www.mypvr.co.nz

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perlmonkey:

thanks

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OpenMediaSupport:

perlmonkey: ouch. What build are you running?

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perlmonkey:

I am running the mythtv combined package which comes with Ubuntu Feisty 7.04

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OpenMediaSupport:

Ah.. Should be fairly stable – similar to the myPVR builds.

[13:03:47]

OpenMediaSupport:

Taken a look at mythbuntu yet. They have some of our backports from MythTV Trunk

[13:03:53]

perlmonkey:

ok dunno what happened, i dont run frontend as root so it shouldnt restart X when it closes

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OpenMediaSupport:

Anyway really have to go now.

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OpenMediaSupport:

night

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perlmonkey:

ok thanks for help

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rooaus:

night from across the Tasman.

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perlmonkey:

you guys all live in Australia/pacific region?

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laga:

no

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laga:

a lot of us are from europe

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rooaus:

perlmonkey: I do, I notice a few people are as well. At least they seem to use Australian ISPs.

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perlmonkey:

Australia and Europe together

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perlmonkey:

wheres all the Americans

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perlmonkey:

using tivio no doubt

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rooaus:

Tivo is coming to Aus, but who cares?

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perlmonkey:

we dont care eh, we got mythtv and its far better

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rooaus:

True.

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laga:

Dagmar: another silly question: can i access globla variables from my subroutines? i have a "my $tmp = "/tmp/foobarbaz/" somewhere, but doing a "print $tmp" in my sub only gives me "Use of uninitialized value"

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laga:

Dagmar: such things used to work AFAIK

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Dagmar:

The use of my() makes damn sure it's not a global, man

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Dagmar:

If you vivify a scalar using my, it's ONLY going to be valid inside that sub

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rooaus:

I have just taken the bins out and I think it is time for me to turn in as well. Night all.

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laga:

Dagmar: but i don't initialize it in a sub. i initialize it right at the beginning.

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Dagmar:

So, basically yes it's not useful to use my in global scope at all

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laga:

gah, it works in a test script

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laga:

i must have broken something in my spaghetti code

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laga:

*sigh*

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Dagmar:

You can mess with heads and reference it globally explcitly

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Dagmar:

Something like $main::varname

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Dagmar:

;)

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laga:

hum. i guess i'll just pass it as argument when calling the sub

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laga:

and clean up my script.

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Dagmar:

Pass a reference to it

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Dagmar:

Wait, scratch that. If yu're just learning perl that's going to give you headaches

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Dagmar:

Ask me about it next week

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laga:

heh, thanks :)

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laga:

i was going to use findchannelcode($tmp); and access it by using $_[0]

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Dagmar:

nooooo

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Dagmar:

Just immediately do a 'my $tmp = shift;'

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laga:

i love it when i can cause pain to people across the ocean

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Dagmar:

Oh

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Dagmar:

Bastard

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Dagmar:

heh

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laga:

well, no, it'd be great if you could enlighten me some more ;)

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laga:

ah. shift looks good

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laga:

it's hardly readable, but it's easy. :)

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Dagmar:

Just don't use shift, shift.

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Dagmar:

It's readable.

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Dagmar:

You just have to actually know perl.

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laga:

yup

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laga:

i'll throw in some comments for good measure

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Dagmar:

If you have to do multiple arguments, assign them like my ($argone, $argtwo) = @_

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Dagmar:

If you want to see what happens when you try to do things in an entirely dim-witted way, look on SourceForge for pIRCd

[13:32:33]

Dagmar:

The Perl IRC Daemon.

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Dagmar:

The authors previous coding language was with TurboPascal, so he basically wrote in TurboPascal using perl keywords

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Dagmar:

...and it does large numbers of incredibly stupid things.

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laga:

well

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ouarza:

bonjour quelqu'un parle français ici?

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Dagmar:

ribbit

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laga:

i learned turbopascal as well :(

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Dagmar:

laga: You may have some unlearning to do then

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ouarza:

speak french?

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laga:

Dagmar: no worries, i forgot most of it already.

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Dagmar:

Like, in perl, we don't pass lists to subroutines, ever.

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laga:

ouarza: je crois pas. il y a une section francaise a http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/

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Dagmar:

A short list of arguments is fine, but passing an entire array is just a good way to rent a house on Stupid Ave.

[13:34:29]

ouarza:

laga et un tchat français?

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laga:

Dagmar: i don't understand why i have to "assign them like my ($argone, $argtwo) = @_". i'd expect that my arguments are already there in @_?

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Dagmar:

They are, but you typically would want to use a local copy

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** laga waits for his GF to translate to french for him **

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laga:

Dagmar: gah. right. i got $things mixed up.

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laga:

ouarza: il n'y a pas un chait francais :(

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Dagmar:

...because doing a bunch of crap in @_ is going to get ugly FAST

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Dagmar:

Keep in mind that @_ and $_ have a relationship that should become obvious

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Dagmar:

...once you look at them side by side

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ouarza:

laga bon je vais me débrouiller seul tant pis

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laga:

yup

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Dagmar:

Meaning if you do certain things, you just blew away @_, dig?

[13:38:42]

laga:

Dagmar: i'll keep some local variables :)

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ouarza:

laga tu c pas où je peux trouver son .deb en français?

[13:39:02]

laga:

ouarza: bonne voyage.

[13:39:13]

laga:

ouarza: un .deb pour debian ou ubuntu?

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ouarza:

laga ubuntu

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laga:

ouarza: lis le manuel: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV

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laga:

ouarza: j'espere que tu peux comprendre l'english la

[13:42:48]

ouarza:

laga ça va étre très dur lol

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laga:

ouarza: i'l y a des screenshots!

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ouarza:

laga hum ouai

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Dagmar:

laga: Don't worry, it took me ten minutes to figure out why I couldn't load something into $_ with just plain shift; on a line by itself

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laga:

Dagmar: heh :)=

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laga:

ouarza: pour traduire quelque chose: http://dict.leo.org/frde?lang=de&lp=frde&search=

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Dododo:

when I lspci I get this --> Multimedia video controller: Winbond Electronics Corp W99200F/W9922PF MPEG-1/2 Video Encoder (rev 03)

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Dododo:

but v4l-info give me this --> open /dev/video0: No such file or directory

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Dododo:

Whats does that mean ? Does it mean I need to load some driver or something ?

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luxcalo:

Anyone hear an ETA for datadirect working again?

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Dagmar:

We're not shoestring here.never

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Dagmar:

It's gone

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SiD3WiNDR:

working again?

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SiD3WiNDR:

heh

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Dagmar:

Down for good.

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luxcalo:

I can't get mythfilldatabase to grab anything

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luxcalo:

Going on ~2days now

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laga:

are your hands already shakingß

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SiD3WiNDR:

:-)

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luxcalo:

There is a posting on the labs zap2it bb ... but no answer

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luxcalo:

I am ready to take myself out :'(

[13:55:10]

SiD3WiNDR:

take yourself out for dinner!

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luxcalo:

Any yes my hands are shaking ... I need my fix

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Dagmar:

It's gone for good.

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luxcalo:

Sure Dagmar try and make me have a heart attack!

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luxcalo:

The shlongs said Sept. 1st ...

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Dagmar:

Yep well, they'll probably refund everyones money for the lost service time

[13:57:35]

luxcalo:

:)

[13:57:43]

luxcalo:

Whoo hoo! 0$ back!

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Dagmar:

http://gizmodo.com/28371897/article.php?sid=z . . . or-good.html

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luxcalo:

Dead link?

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luxcalo:

Do you have any real proof besides a dead link?

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Dododo:

http://pastebin.ca/608750 <-- please take a look. ITs my lspci

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Dagmar:

luxcalo: What? Besides a link I just made up?

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Dagmar:

Dododo: Lots of nice ASCII text in there.

[14:05:53]

Dagmar:

Not many colors tho'.

[14:06:06]

Dagmar:

I don't think it's going to be very popular without some colors in it.

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luxcalo:

I can see someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning

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luxcalo:

Did your mother not breast feed you or something?

[14:07:37]

Dagmar:

luxcalo: It's all over the interwebs, including wiki.mythtv.org, that there's currently no new information about zap2it

[14:08:01]

Dagmar:

Lets see if you don't start giving people mischevious answers after days of watching lazy bastards ask the same damn question 15 times a day

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luxcalo:

I relize that ... just looking for any type of ETA

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Dagmar:

No one has one.

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luxcalo:

IC

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luxcalo:

Sorry ... didn't mean to get you all worked up

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Dagmar:

You're really not that important to me

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luxcalo:

Good ... you aren't to me either :)

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Dagmar:

STrangely, my grabber still works

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Dagmar:

I guess they like me.

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Solv:

yes zap2it is down...I know this and I live in Australia...

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Solv:

there was a post a week ago that they would no longer provide epg info for free

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luxcalo:

On sept 1st ?

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luxcalo:

Not NOW ...

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Solv:

thankfully, we've never had that here...we just scrape bits of the different website tv guides =)

[14:10:46]

Solv:

luxcalo, maybe they got excited and turned it off early =)

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luxcalo:

We may be stuck doing that soon as well

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Solv:

luxcalo, the guys who write hte 'shepherd' script are amazing....you might be able to use their code and adjust it

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luxcalo:

I was actually working with the Datadirect people at one time to get a license agreement to sell mythtv machine commercially ... I sent the guy email when I saw the bad news

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luxcalo:

They told me about 6 months ago that some college kids down south were abusing the system ... among others

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luxcalo:

selling machines commercially ...

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luxcalo:

and not paying them squat

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Dagmar:

There are *numerous* commercial products using Zap2it's free listing service

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Solv:

hmmm.....well, I don't think epg should ever cost money....

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luxcalo:

We need to find those college kids and well ... I can think of a few things

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luxcalo:

And they PAY for IT

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luxcalo:

It isn't cheap either ...

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luxcalo:

Especially for the US

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Solv:

well you have to pay for the hardware....but you shouldn't have to pay for the epg stuff

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GreyFoxx:

Solv: Someone has to pay for the servers and the bandwidth and unfortunately the data (which has to be collected and merged together etc etc)

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luxcalo:

I was looking at Canada only ... still pretty expensive

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luxcalo:

Yep

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luxcalo:

When I was looking to sell they prebuilt mythtv machines I wanted to be 100% legit ...

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luxcalo:

Which is why my partner and I contacted them directly

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Solv:

GreyFoxx, well the main argument is that it is copyrighted....which is bullsh$t....you can't say something that is not an original work is copyrighted...(this is the Australian TV channels)

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luxcalo:

Seeing as we were just starting out they did make a reasonable offer for Canada

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luxcalo:

Servers and bandwidth cost money ...

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GreyFoxx:

Solv: The detailed descriptions and such are supposedly what is considered copyright, not the show name/started/etc times

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luxcalo:

We are trying to follow up with them and see if the offer still stands ...

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Solv:

so the websites and porgrams for for the tv stations have more than enough money to cover that piddly amount

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luxcalo:

GreyFoxx: You are Canadian, correct?

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GreyFoxx:

but either way, it takes a lot of effort in north america to collect data for all of the stations in all of the localities

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Solv:

sorry the ads they show

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Solv:

that's what pays for it...

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GreyFoxx:

luxcalo: yes

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Solv:

call me cynical but even if you get paytv over here (cable) they still advertise....what a gip...you pay for a tv service, and then they STILL put ads on...

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GreyFoxx:

We'll likely have an announcement about alternatives this week

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GreyFoxx:

users will have choices

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Dagmar:

Users will be able to enter their own guide data, or users will able to "go commando" and schedule recordings manually. ;)

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

well, that's certainly 2 of their options :)

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Dagmar:

I still think the idea of the fake gizmodo link is a great one

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Solv:

whatever happened to good ol gcode

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Dagmar:

I was laughing my ass off over here about it

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Dagmar:

I may drop one of those in later just to see how many people freak out

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GreyFoxx:

There are already a couple screenscrapers, and other alternatives

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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perlmonkey:

my mythtv backend is fuked :-/

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perlmonkey:

my picture is all distorted

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Dododo:

Whats a card that works perfectly with mythtv ?

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perlmonkey:

pvr150

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perlmonkey:

hauppauge

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perlmonkey:

how do we change channel

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perlmonkey:

omg i got some channel working

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** perlmonkey does a monkey dace **

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perlmonkey:

*dance

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Dododo:

hauppauge pvr150 is the best, right ?

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Dododo:

their drivers are open source ?

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GreyFoxx:

people made their own

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GreyFoxx:

the ivtv driver

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perlmonkey:

Greyfoxx: what's "callsign" mean

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GreyFoxx:

The shortname that refers to a channel

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perlmonkey:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

For the most part that are unique to that one and only station

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perlmonkey:

can I change the channel # in channel editor to whatever channel number I like? or should that be left alone?

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GreyFoxx:

but there are globally some duplicates

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GreyFoxx:

You can change it I suppose

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GreyFoxx:

I've never had need to "change" one myself

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perlmonkey:

oh

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GreyFoxx:

but I do have some channels I defined on my own and used arbitrary high channel numbers :)

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Dododo:

Is Hauppauge PVR-150 considered a high-end card ? Or average ?

[14:32:49]

perlmonkey:

my card has successfully locked onto channel Five but its showing # 23 for channel number

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perlmonkey:

Dododo: just standard card, entry level

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GreyFoxx:

Dododo: For analog cable is the best you are going to get

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GreyFoxx:

both in ease of use and driver quality

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perlmonkey:

it's the defacto standard for mythtv, kinda?

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GreyFoxx:

the pvr*** cards are for anyone doing analog recordings

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perlmonkey:

I have 2 x pvr

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GreyFoxx:

be it direct cable or the analog output of a stb

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perlmonkey:

one hooked up to composite thru Scart on Cable box

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perlmonkey:

and one hooked up to terrestrial analogue tv antenna

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perlmonkey:

*2 x pvr 150

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perlmonkey:

I cant get digital, else I would be using a digital hauppauge card

[14:35:33]

perlmonkey:

Dododo: so the question is, what is your tv source, can you get digital tv?

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Dododo:

yes digital

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Dododo:

straight from satelitte

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perlmonkey:

you might be better off buying a digital card then, not the PVR150?

[14:37:34]

Dododo:

which one then ?

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GreyFoxx:

Dododo: the real question is, are those channels encrypted or broadcast in the clear

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GreyFoxx:

if they are in the clear than most dvb-s cards would be fine

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Dododo:

What is hauppauge ? Is it a brand ?

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GreyFoxx:

If it's encrypted then you would normally use a pvr card recording from the output of the sat receiver

[14:38:47]

GreyFoxx:

yes , acompany that makes certain cards

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Dododo:

I see on Hauppauge website, they are selling WinTV-PVR-150

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perlmonkey:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

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Dododo:

GreyFoxx: It is encrypted

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Dododo:

GreyFoxx: yes I'm using a sat receiver

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GreyFoxx:

Dododo: Then you still need the sat receiver and just use a pvr card to record it's output

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perlmonkey:

PVR150 would be ok for him

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Dododo:

ok

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Dododo:

how much is pvr150 in the US ?

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GreyFoxx:

from $60 to $100 depending on where you buy

[14:40:39]

perlmonkey:

in the UK the price is around £40 new

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perlmonkey:

varies a bit eh

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perlmonkey:

I paid £20 for mine on eBay

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Dododo:

ok I got an idea

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Dododo:

of the price

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perlmonkey:

its not too expensive really

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Dododo:

its ok

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perlmonkey:

but watch out for those cards which are MCE

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perlmonkey:

and have no remote or anything

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perlmonkey:

if you dont mind not having a remote and want a cheaper card thats ok

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Dododo:

no MCE . I'll not out for that

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Dododo:

look out I mean

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perlmonkey:

MCE = Windows Media Center Edition

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Dododo:

i c

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perlmonkey:

are you running linux?

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Dododo:

yep

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perlmonkey:

cool

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Dododo:

Centos

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Dododo:

at work

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Dododo:

and Gentoo at home

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perlmonkey:

Greyfoxx: it maybe my imagination? but I swear this new PVR150 card I just installed (newer model than the my existing PVR150 which is hooked up to cable) has superior imagine quality and better performance

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perlmonkey:

unless it's because its using the cards tuner with terrestrial tv

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Dododo:

perlmonkey: whats the version ?

[14:45:29]

perlmonkey:

good question, i just bought a big box of these, job lot from an auction

[14:45:35]

perlmonkey:

about 20 cards

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Dododo:

whats the name of the card exactly

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biohazd:

Hauppage PVR-150

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Dododo:

20 cards ?

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perlmonkey:

it's the Hauppauge PVR 150

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perlmonkey:

yes

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biohazd:

:)

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Dododo:

You selling ?

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Dododo:

Are you a seller ?

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perlmonkey:

ya

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Dododo:

I bought them to sell ?

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biohazd:

cool i wont one.. how much ?

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Dododo:

I mean you bought them to sell ?

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perlmonkey:

I bought them to use in systems

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perlmonkey:

I will sell tho

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perlmonkey:

i cant sell stuff here could get into trouble, but you could PM me

[14:48:05]

biohazd:

wots thebest way to capture tv from virgin media (cable) ?

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Dododo:

I can't

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biohazd:

use scart out on stb.. to wot ?

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perlmonkey:

biohazd: PVR150

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perlmonkey:

oh

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Dododo:

My nick is not registered

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perlmonkey:

use scart and composite

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biohazd:

then play back on tv ?

[14:48:47]

biohazd:

use normal radeo x800 pro for tv out ?

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Dododo:

can you join #perlmonkey

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perlmonkey:

biohazd: i use a cheap scart to composite adaptor in my VM cable box

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biohazd:

ok

[14:49:09]

perlmonkey:

sure

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GreyFoxx:

biohazd: the ATI cards are generally crap in linux

[14:49:28]

GreyFoxx:

so the usual recommendation is just about any modern nvidia card

[14:49:28]

biohazd:

got i link to it ? wot does the compose look like ? (s-video?)

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perlmonkey:

use svideo if you can, its better than composite

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biohazd:

wot does composite conenction look like ?

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perlmonkey:

3 wires

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perlmonkey:

red yellow and white

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biohazd:

yellow, red and white ?

[14:50:13]

biohazd:

cool :)

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perlmonkey:

yup

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biohazd:

see you pm from mee

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fryfrog:

component and hdmi/dvi are even better

[14:50:49]

biohazd:

component, wots that look like ?

[14:50:52]

fryfrog:

if your tv has hdmi/dvi input and your pc has output

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biohazd:

nope :(

[14:51:06]

fryfrog:

what is wots?

[14:51:11]

fryfrog:

and what do you mean, by look like?

[14:51:16]

fryfrog:

the cable? or the picture?

[14:51:19]

biohazd:

cable

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fryfrog:

ah

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biohazd:

physcial conenction

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fryfrog:

its 5 wires, red/green/blue for video and red/white for audio

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biohazd:

hmm, I dont have that :(

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fryfrog:

(though it isn't *really* carrying the red/green/blue signal)

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biohazd:

lol

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perlmonkey:

i have to use svideo now

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perlmonkey:

my new PVR150 card no longer has composite

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biohazd:

wots it got ?

[14:53:45]

biohazd:

how do you control channels on the stb ?

[14:53:57]

biohazd:

how does mythtv tell stb wot chnaeel to goto ?

[14:54:54]

perlmonkey:

biohazd: svideo

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biohazd:

ahh

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biohazd:

svideo is good

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jams:

crap i think one of the onboard ethernet cards just crapped out

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biohazd:

when you choose a channel to record, how does STB know to goto that channel ?

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anykey_:

biohazd: you change channels using an irblaster, that emulates the STB remote

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rmoquin:

real quick question, my pvr350 card is once again driving me up the wall ... am I better off with output from the svideo on the pvr350 card, or the vga output from my regular video card (I'm guessing you'll say the vga output)?

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biohazd:

ahh cool

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Dododo:

HAUPPAUGE WIN TV EXPRESS 125 <-- any good ?

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perlmonkey:

biohazd: how did you get a samsung box, did you go for the 20mb Internet service?

[15:06:00]

biohazd:

no

[15:06:01]

Dododo:

HAUPPAUGE WIN TV USB <-- is this one usable with mythtv ?

[15:06:05]

perlmonkey:

Dododo: I'm not sure about that, check it has hardware encoder capability some of the cheaper models dont

[15:06:11]

biohazd:

i have 4 meg cable modem

[15:06:21]

biohazd:

i moved houses a year ago and they swopped my one to it

[15:06:33]

perlmonkey:

phew that was lucky

[15:06:36]

biohazd:

samsung SMT-2100C

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biohazd:

:)

[15:06:44]

biohazd:

i think my old one was pace

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perlmonkey:

the pace boxes are hopeless you cant use IR blaster

[15:07:10]

perlmonkey:

not without a converter

[15:07:11]

biohazd:

sheet, realy :(

[15:07:19]

biohazd:

wot do i need for my setup ?

[15:07:23]

perlmonkey:

which cost like £35

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biohazd:

ouch

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perlmonkey:

you will be able to use an ordinary IR blaster and remote

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biohazd:

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perlmonkey:

yeah

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biohazd:

so mythv it is for me

[15:08:15]

biohazd:

is this right ?

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perlmonkey:

mythtv is better tho eh, you can record your stuff onto dvd and do mythweb for scheduling remotely etc

[15:08:25]

biohazd:

scart out of STB to svideo in on pvr-150

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perlmonkey:

total flexibility

[15:08:42]

biohazd:

svideo out on gfx card to scart on tv ?

[15:08:50]

perlmonkey:

these commercial PVR's always restrict your media

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perlmonkey:

*recordings

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biohazd:

remote blaster so mythtv on pc can change channels on stb ?

[15:09:26]

perlmonkey:

biohazd: ya

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biohazd:

http://revision3.com/systm/mythtv

[15:09:34]

biohazd:

cool video

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perlmonkey:

I just purchased a Nvidia Geoforce FX5300 for tv out

[15:10:15]

biohazd:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IzCt7jaih8

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Dagmar:

A 5300?

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perlmonkey:

I think so

[15:10:32]

biohazd:

i think i have a 550 knowcking around somewhere

[15:10:37]

biohazd:

5500*

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perlmonkey:

I'm awaiting delivery still

[15:10:44]

rmoquin:

if you can do a vga input to your tv, is that better than using an svideo connection?

[15:11:05]

perlmonkey:

good question

[15:11:16]

perlmonkey:

tv out is an area i have no experience with at all yet

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biohazd:

lol

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Dagmar:

The 5300 exists, but it's a "PCX" card, whetaver the hell that is

[15:11:33]

Dagmar:

TV output is _easy_

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biohazd:

pci express

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biohazd:

:)

[15:11:39]

perlmonkey:

I just use my laptop with wifi as frontend mostly

[15:11:46]

biohazd:

nice

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Dagmar:

Mainly, if the TV was hooked up to the Svideo port when you boot up, it just works.

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biohazd:

where can i ge tthe remote blaster thingie ma jiggy ? link

[15:12:14]

perlmonkey:

cool

[15:12:24]

perlmonkey:

there is a site that sells the IR blasters

[15:12:29]

perlmonkey:

a few places

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Dagmar:

So long as you don't change the vert refresh rate to something a TV can't handle (like anything but 50/60Hz depending on where you are) and keep the resolution between 640x480 and 1024x768, it'll just keep working

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biohazd:

google "ir blaster" ??

[15:12:43]

perlmonkey:

I think some sell them in kit form cheap too in US

[15:12:50]

biohazd:

us :(

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Dagmar:

Wow, looking at nVidia's site I'm suprised

[15:13:29]

Dagmar:

I didn't think they were doing any of the 5xxx line as PCI Express

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rmoquin:

Dagmar: my pvr350 decided to start losing color, so I'm wondering if I should just not use the output from it... that pvr350 has ruined my whole mythtv setup experience... but I'm running a high def front projector, the vga output looks nice on it, I'm wondering if there is a reason that I should rather use the output on the pvr350... or if better just using the vga

[15:14:43]

rmoquin:

Dagmar: that would mean I'd have to figure out how to configure my ti200 for widescreen stuff though

[15:14:49]

rmoquin:

I think

[15:16:24]

rmoquin:

wow, boy does the vga output look a million times better than the svid output.. sheesh, I forgot.. wonder how the tv will look

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Dagmar:

You'll find that nVidia's driver does some nice automagical handling of deinterlacing for you

[15:17:43]

Dagmar:

...but only on the s-video output

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rmoquin:

I don't think the svideo on my ti200 is going to be very good, it's not a new card at all

[15:18:14]

rmoquin:

which is kinda why I'm wondering if the vga output is the way to go

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Dagmar:

It'll probably work fine

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Dagmar:

If you CAN do VGA output, go with that

[15:18:26]

rmoquin:

Dagmar, you think so?

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GreyFoxx:

Hell yeah

[15:19:00]

rmoquin:

Dagmar: yeah my front projector supports it, I just don't currently have a perm way to run the cord, but right now I'll just be happy to get this stupid thing configured and done with

[15:19:19]

Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Highly_Technical_Details

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Dagmar:

Check that

[15:19:35]

Dagmar:

It pretty much lists the types of connections, in order of fidelity

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rmoquin:

ahhh nice

[15:23:33]

Dagmar:

This is one of the reasons we harp on people to look at the wiki

[15:23:45]

Dagmar:

Those things that get asked about hte most often, we generally write something up there about

[15:24:30]

rmoquin:

what would it take to use hdmi output from my computer to my projector? is there a card that that supports that well? is there a card for tv input better than the 350? I'm so confused at this point about whether my current setup is good, and what I should have to make it better

[15:24:37]

rmoquin:

or if I do need to do anything to make it better

[15:24:50]

rmoquin:

my computer budget is shot after putting together my high def media room

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rmoquin:

so trying to make due

[15:24:54]

Dagmar:

Small caveat... MediaWiki won't let you put two paragraphs side by siude.

[15:25:06]

Dagmar:

There is no difference in quality (for now) between DVI and HDMI

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Dagmar:

The only thing HDMI brings to the table is restrictive digital rights bullshit

[15:25:44]

rmoquin:

Dagmar: yeah I did searching for this stuff and didn't get the wiki entry, I'll bookmark it cause it looks useful

[15:25:48]

Dagmar:

Meaning if you have a snooty DVD player using HDMI out and it isn't talking with an "approved" device, it'll downsample all yer stuff to 720

[15:26:01]

rmoquin:

Dagmar: oh really? am I better with dvi to hdmi then?

[15:26:06]

Dagmar:

I've not linked that wiki page from anywhere yet, but it's findable via the search function

[15:26:16]

Dagmar:

You're better off not using HDMI at all if you can

[15:26:20]

rmoquin:

my searching just must suck

[15:26:30]

Dagmar:

...but it an DVI would be the "top spots" for what to us

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rmoquin:

Dagmar: should I just stick with vga since I can support it with my projector? woudl I get any benefit from dvi? Everything has changed so much since I was using myth years ago.. gotta relearn everything again :)

[15:27:22]

Dagmar:

There's probably not going to be a noticeable difference between DVI and VGA on a projector

[15:27:32]

rmoquin:

ok

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Dagmar:

I kinda doubt your projector goes beyond 1024x768. Am I right?

[15:27:47]

rmoquin:

def some interlacing problems with vga output

[15:27:50]

rmoquin:

yeah it

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rmoquin:

it's a 720p

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rmoquin:

so I'd guess it doesn't

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Dagmar:

Yeah, you might wanna just try svideo.

[15:28:42]

Dagmar:

I used to wonder why people had so much trouble with deinterlacing until I found out the nVidia driver has some magic that kicks in for svideo if you're using Xv (which we are)

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rmoquin:

wouldn't the deinterlacing algs solve it? svid on my pvr looks like hell compared to the vga, I can't imagine it looking better

[15:29:10]

Dagmar:

...because I throw all kinds of things, both interlaced and not into mythvideo, and never have I seen rats teeth or smearing or any of that

[15:29:30]

rmoquin:

Dagmar: so you are saying that if I use the svid output from an old nvidia, it should look good? Sorry for being skeptical, but the pvr didn't look good through it :) so I'm doubtful :)

[15:29:38]

rmoquin:

trying not to waste anymore time

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Dagmar:

Old, new, doesn't really matter

[15:29:54]

Dagmar:

CHEAP will definitely emit inferior signal quality tho

[15:29:59]

rmoquin:

Dagmar: really? I thought people talked about quality on svid like it varied a lot

[15:30:10]

rmoquin:

Dagmar: can't remember if the ti200 was a cheap card or not

[15:30:19]

Dagmar:

If you buy a "big name" card, the svideo quality will usually be pretty good

[15:30:32]

Dagmar:

It's a matter of nVidia makes the chips, but *other* companies make the hardwre that goes around it

[15:30:40]

rmoquin:

ah

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Dagmar:

Companies like Foxconn, Jaton, eVGA, Gigabyte, etc

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rmoquin:

ok, so I'll try the svid on it then.. any specific in x I need to configure to do that?

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Dagmar:

You will also likely notice a difference in color vibrance and image clarity between 640x480, 800x600, and 1024x768

[15:31:33]

Dagmar:

On all four of the cards I've tested, the best and most colorful image comes out running the card at 1024x768 and letting it downsample

[15:31:57]

Dagmar:

...which is why I'm always fussing htat the themes should use a base resolution of 1024x768

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Dagmar:

...because the 800x600 being used makes my stuff blur, and the OSD working at 640x480 makes my stuff REALLY blurry

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rmoquin:

interesting

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Dagmar:

Lemme pull an example up of that

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rmoquin:

ok, I plugged in the svid on my nvidia... now I just gotta figure out how to get it to use it

[15:33:09]

Dagmar:

Mainly you just power up with something connected to it and it'll use Twinview (cloned mode) by default

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rmoquin:

so I prob need to reboot then?

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Dagmar:

Unless you've already gotten your xorg.conf working

[15:33:54]

Dagmar:

I can't pull up mine at the moment because the cablemodem at my house is down

[15:33:56]

Dagmar:

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evild . . . ar/alert.png

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Dagmar:

Note that those lines are ALL supposed to be quite crisp

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rmoquin:

my xorg conf was autodetected from when I setup ubuntu

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Dagmar:

Since they're not aligned on pixel boundaries for 640x480, it just gets buggered coming and going

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rmoquin:

ah

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Dagmar:

I've seriously considering going through the source and making some mods to let a theme specify it's own base res

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Dagmar:

.....but that's not going to happen until this exceeds my ability to hack around it

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rmoquin:

where do you setup the xv acceleration? I forget...

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rmoquin:

Dagmar: yeah that would be great to do

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Dagmar:

rmoquin: IIRC it's what you compiled the thing to support

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Dagmar:

...but xv accelleration is just *on* unless you set NO_XV to something when you started the frontend

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rmoquin:

ahh

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rmoquin:

hmm guess I'll reboot and see if that helps the svid to work

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Dagmar:

That's something you have to do to get screenshots out of it. Heh

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Dagmar:

xv windows are allergic to xwd

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rmoquin:

1024 doesn't nearly at all fill my widescreen

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rmoquin:

makes the text looks screwy

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Dagmar:

Okay, let's talk about a little thing called "native resolution"

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Dagmar:

Specifically, what *is* the native resolution of your projector?

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rmoquin:

Dagmar: yeah I read about that, though I thought all 720p's kinda had the same native res

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Dagmar:

Not necessarily

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rmoquin:

cause 720p means native res

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rmoquin:

oh really? I can look in my manual

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Dagmar:

No, 720p just means it can (unless they're bastards) handle 720p without downsampling the video

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rmoquin:

ah

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Dagmar:

So it could be 1024x768 with an oddball aspect ratio

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rmoquin:

ah

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Dagmar:

You want to always try to match the native resolution of the display if it's a digital display device (namely plasma, or LCD/TFT with fixed pixels)

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Dagmar:

With an analog display device (like a TV, where there are raster lines) you really only have to care about trying to match up the number of scan lines

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Dagmar:

By the way, there's a setting in the frontend settings for diddling the aspect ratio if you need it (it's in there somewhere)

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rmoquin:

ok

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rmoquin:

so I see: "Pixel resolution 1280 x 720"

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Dagmar:

If your display is 16:9, but you're using an anamorphic (square, 4:3) output resolution on the video card, Myth is going to assume you're _not_ widescreen and behave accordingly

[15:43:42]

Dagmar:

OKay, so aim for configuring your video output to 1280x720

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rmoquin:

computer signal

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rmoquin:

1280x1024 max

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rmoquin:

analog/compressed

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Dagmar:

Yeah, and it's probably going to downsample that

[15:44:10]

rmoquin:

panel is 1280x720

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rmoquin:

so the 1280x720 is the native one

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Dagmar:

With a modeline you should be able to do 1280x720 over VGA

[15:44:26]

rmoquin:

and the other is a max that gets downsampled then?

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Dagmar:

You *should* be able to search the modelines up in the wiki. I know there's lots in there

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Dagmar:

Yeah

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rmoquin:

ahh

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rmoquin:

does this all apply to the svid output as well?

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Dagmar:

Video card drivers may or may not give the user an option of 1280x720 is probably why they did that

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Dagmar:

It would apply to s-video output as well, but I don't think the s-video output will actually go above 1024x768

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Dagmar:

I'm not 100% sure about htat tho

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rmoquin:

ahhh ok

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rmoquin:

hmmm, yeah still no svid output from my vid card after rebooting

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rmoquin:

blech

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Dagmar:

Crazy

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Dagmar:

Check the nVidia README

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rmoquin:

Dagmar: hey should I follow this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOut

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rmoquin:

is mentions using a TVOutFormat

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Dagmar:

There's a ConnectedMonitor option that lets you forcibly activate the svideo output

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Dagmar:

...among other things

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Dagmar:

That's looking like something that should work

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rmoquin:

ok cool, I'll give that a shot.. should I just throw the other res in there and see if it takes it?

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Dagmar:

Sure

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rmoquin:

okie dokie

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rmoquin:

damn, no dice

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rmoquin:

tho I don't think the x restart picked up the changes.. all the old resolutions are still there... guess I'll reboot

[16:03:42]

rmoquin:

hmmm wonder why my x config isn't getting picked up

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rmoquin:

1280x800 doesn't look bad though really

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Dagmar:

If you have a file with the right name in your homedir, X will use it instead

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AndyCap:

rmoquin: the config isn't picked up or just your mode? just starting X -logverbose 6 wil give you some more clues in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log

[16:17:03]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: I changed my config to use only 2 resolutions, I have about 10 listed in X when I restart... my old X config had about 10 resolutions as well

[16:17:12]

AndyCap:

Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill it agin.. :)

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rmoquin:

and the SVideo options I put in still don't seem to work

[16:17:15]

rmoquin:

heh ok

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AndyCap:

rmoquin: listed where?

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rmoquin:

didn't know if that was a bad way to do it

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rmoquin:

in my xorg.conf file

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AndyCap:

rmoquin: well, it's a bad way you exit your desktop environment, but OK for killing an "empty" X server

[16:18:09]

AndyCap:

rmoquin: no, you say you have 10 resolutions listed in X

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AndyCap:

xrandr doesn't really care about the modes in your xorg.conf

[16:19:40]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: yeah, for the resolutions and color depths for X, it has about 10 configured as usable

[16:19:50]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: I changed it so it should only use 2

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rmoquin:

but the available ones don't change, like it's not seeing them

[16:20:04]

AndyCap:

rmoquin: where do you see this?

[16:20:21]

rmoquin:

if I go to preferences, Screen resolutions in gnome

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AndyCap:

yeah, that's xrandr, you can't use that to judge your xorg.conf settings..

[16:20:46]

rmoquin:

ohhh

[16:20:51]

rmoquin:

didn't realize that

[16:21:03]

rmoquin:

so how would I use a resolution that I set in my xorg.conf?

[16:21:19]

AndyCap:

that should be what is the default when X starts.

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AndyCap:

but you can switch to all the supported resolutions with xrandr

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rmoquin:

it defaulted to the second one I have listed.. so unless it didn't like my 1280x720

[16:21:50]

Dagmar:

I never bother changing resolutions so I just remove all the modes I dont' want used

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rmoquin:

oh, so that's just a command you can type?

[16:22:07]

rmoquin:

Dagmar: I only added the other in case the one didn't work...

[16:22:19]

rmoquin:

if the 720 one works, then I don't want any others

[16:22:37]

rmoquin:

the 800 one I put on, almost fills the screen... if I could just get that last little bit... :)

[16:22:40]

AndyCap:

rmoquin: so. if you're trying something weird, switching to textmode and just starting X -logverbose 6 and reading the log should tell you what happens

[16:23:00]

rmoquin:

how do I switch to textmode?

[16:23:16]

AndyCap:

rmoquin: if your first mode fails validation due to some reason the second one is the one that gets used

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AndyCap:

rmoquin: what distro is this?

[16:23:25]

rmoquin:

ubuntu

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rmoquin:

feisty

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AndyCap:

hmm, no clue.. /etc/init.d/gdm stop or init 3? Anyone here know how ubuntu runs the display manager?

[16:24:25]

Dagmar:

THey do so through runlevel 5

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rmoquin:

gdm restart will restart it

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Dagmar:

...so `telinit 3` to kill it

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rmoquin:

so maybe stop will work

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AndyCap:

rmoquin: ok, stop should work then

[16:25:28]

rmoquin:

yep that seems to have done something :)

[16:25:50]

rmoquin:

hmmm ... "No signal" that's not good :)

[16:26:20]

rmoquin:

I have an ssh term open though

[16:26:25]

rmoquin:

can I just do it through there?

[16:26:29]

AndyCap:

rmoquin: sure

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rmoquin:

ok cool

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AndyCap:

just beware... Do not Ctrl-Alt-Backspace on the other machne

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AndyCap:

:) or you'll be very unhappy..

[16:27:05]

rmoquin:

right

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Dagmar:

hehe

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AndyCap:

just run X -logverbose 6 and then Ctrl-C after it's started..

[16:27:23]

rmoquin:

not quite that stupid... I'm asking some dumb questions, but I really am not this computer retarded :)

[16:27:31]

Dagmar:

Unless you've set up the magic gpm duress click-combo

[16:27:50]

AndyCap:

rmoquin: hehe, you say that now.

[16:27:56]

Dagmar:

The dreaded triple-click of rebootness!

[16:27:59]

rmoquin:

hehe

[16:28:04]

AndyCap:

rmoquin: we'll see when you get into restarting the X server a little bit

[16:28:15]

rmoquin:

sweet.. nice grey screen

[16:28:31]

AndyCap:

well, it's the log we're interested in..

[16:29:00]

rmoquin:

only error I see other than trying to open "wacom"

[16:29:03]

rmoquin:

is " AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable"

[16:29:10]

rmoquin:

which I think is referring to the pvr card

[16:29:20]

AndyCap:

rmoquin: looking at the log now or just the output from X?

[16:29:26]

rmoquin:

looking at the log

[16:29:34]

rmoquin:

I can pastebin it if you like

[16:29:37]

AndyCap:

sure

[16:29:41]

rmoquin:

ok

[16:29:44]

AndyCap:

it's probably huge though

[16:29:45]

Dagmar:

Not unlkess you have a 350

[16:29:52]

Dagmar:

The PVR card does not exist as far as X is concerned

[16:30:16]

rmoquin:

I have a 350

[16:30:29]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: actually it doesn't look like I got any more output than normal

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** perlmonkey has sussed out channel tuning **

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perlmonkey:

the trick is not to tune them

[16:31:02]

AndyCap:

rmoquin: "X -logverbose 6" ? hmm, odd

[16:31:24]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: http://pastebin.ca/608974

[16:31:27]

rmoquin:

yep

[16:31:52]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: ryan@myth-server1:~$ sudo X -logverbose 6

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AndyCap:

rmoquin: and that paste was all that's in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?

[16:32:46]

rmoquin:

nah, just what went to console, since stuff went to console, I assume all the extra logging would go there

[16:32:52]

rmoquin:

I'm guessing I'm wrong in that assumption?

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AndyCap:

correct

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rmoquin:

ok

[16:33:03]

rmoquin:

my bad then

[16:33:29]

rmoquin:

will that file reset itself? or should I delete it and rerun the command/

[16:33:41]

rmoquin:

don't want to give you extra garbage you don't need

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AndyCap:

it gets cleared each time you start the X server

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rmoquin:

ok cool

[16:34:59]

rmoquin:

that looks better

[16:35:19]

rmoquin:

http://pastebin.ca/608979

[16:35:58]

rmoquin:

oops damn it I'm stupid

[16:36:04]

rmoquin:

gave you the one from my laptop

[16:36:39]

rmoquin:

that's the product of the ease of an ssh console being open

[16:36:59]

AndyCap:

well, at least you didn't kill your X server yet

[16:36:59]

AndyCap:

:P

[16:38:07]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: ha, yeah doesn't give me much credibility does it? :)

[16:38:29]

rmoquin:

http://pastebin.ca/608984

[16:38:37]

rmoquin:

my mind is still on vacation

[16:38:54]

rmoquin:

lack of sleep, too much beer

[16:39:13]

rmoquin:

none of that contributes to an intelligent troubleshooting interaction

[16:39:41]

AndyCap:

Hehehe.

[16:40:40]

AndyCap:

well, seems the projector likes 1024x769..

[16:40:53]

rmoquin:

makes it hard to believe I'm a software engineer for a living

[16:41:05]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: really? hmmm not what the manual seems to indicate

[16:41:22]

AndyCap:

rmoquin: well, it wouldn't be the first device to have stupid EDID settings

[16:41:23]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: though the people that wrote it probably can barely speak english either

[16:41:37]

rmoquin:

EDID?

[16:42:05]

AndyCap:

line 420 and down.

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rmoquin:

ah

[16:42:38]

AndyCap:

Supported Additional video mode

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rmoquin:

the manual seems to indication 1280x720

[16:42:47]

rmoquin:

er to indicate

[16:42:56]

rmoquin:

stupid fingers are retarded to apparently

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AndyCap:

and the manual may be right.

[16:43:10]

rmoquin:

grr "too"

[16:44:04]

rmoquin:

so what is the best way to configure this?

[16:44:26]

rmoquin:

before I stupidly try to ctrl-alt-del the wrong box? :)

[16:46:00]

AndyCap:

you could try 1024x768 as it suggests and display a testpattern to see if it is 1:1 with the projector.

[16:46:13]

rmoquin:

that res looks like crap when I put it up

[16:46:20]

rmoquin:

1280x800 has looked the best so far

[16:46:29]

AndyCap:

or dig out a 1280x720 modeline and try that

[16:46:33]

rmoquin:

it fills prob about 85% to 90% of the sdcreen and looks decent

[16:46:46]

rmoquin:

ok

[16:47:27]

Dagmar:

'member... native resolution is almost always going to give the clearest image

[16:47:55]

AndyCap:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Modeline . . . 0u_Projector But that's probably not the same chip

[16:48:23]

AndyCap:

rmoquin: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/index.php/t-805452.html

[16:48:27]

perlmonkey:

anyone having problems on Virgin Media Broadband this weekend?

[16:50:39]

AndyCap:

rmoquin: you may have to fiddle with the ModeValidation options for nvidia. depends on whether or not the mode gets rejected

[16:50:59]

rmoquin:

hmmmm looks like they might be the same chip

[16:51:19]

rmoquin:

the 3000 looks like it might just be a supped up version of mine with better imaging

[16:52:06]

rmoquin:

wouldn't hurt to just throw that 3000u line in there right?

[16:52:44]

AndyCap:

rmoquin: but I'd look at the forum postings I linked you to and see if the lines match

[16:53:01]

Dagmar:

Or if they're even cllose

[16:53:05]

AndyCap:

no hard info if it's x720 or x768

[16:53:10]

Dagmar:

Most of those numbers do *not* have to be exact.

[16:53:15]

rmoquin:

ah

[16:53:20]

Dagmar:

The only ones that can really screw things up are the polarity setting

[16:53:25]

rmoquin:

so if I look at the specs in my manual.. I can confirm it that way?

[16:53:33]

Dagmar:

You can even tweak the porch values all you like

[16:53:37]

AndyCap:

If the manual is good..

[16:53:50]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: that's always questionable

[16:54:23]

AndyCap:

and some flat panes cut off the porches. dunno if that's an option over VGA thouugh

[16:54:30]

rmoquin:

there are a million "signal mode" lines in there...

[16:54:35]

AndyCap:

why can't manufacturers just get the EDID right?

[16:54:57]

rmoquin:

for 1080i, for vga

[16:55:07]

AndyCap:

hehe, all useless. :P

[16:55:09]

rmoquin:

should I follow the 1080i ones for 1280x720?

[16:55:17]

AndyCap:

umm, no

[16:56:06]

rmoquin:

the one ones that say 1280x720, are the 1080i or 720p ones

[16:56:09]

AndyCap:

you want to send the resolution that maps 1:1 to the panel resolutions

[16:56:39]

rmoquin:

hmmm

[16:57:35]

AndyCap:

you have DVI-HDMI cable btw?

[16:58:11]

rmoquin:

nope

[16:58:15]

AndyCap:

ah, panel resolution is 1280x720 according to the manual.

[16:58:16]

rmoquin:

not sure what I need to do that

[16:58:41]

rmoquin:

yeah was just going to give you that link

[16:58:47]

rmoquin:

since I'm not sure what I'm looking for

[16:58:53]

rmoquin:

in the manual to configure this

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AndyCap:

if you have DVI out on your nvidia card, a dvi-hdmi cable is nice

[16:59:35]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: nope.. I don't... if I find out what card I can get that's decent.. I'd love to have that hookup

[17:00:10]

AndyCap:

rmoquin: heh, any nvidia card... :P

[17:00:45]

rmoquin:

ah :)

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rmoquin:

I get nervous about what is supported

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rmoquin:

or what's not

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olsta:

hi

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rmoquin:

and buying something that isn't

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AndyCap:

rmoquin: got your xorg.conf on a pastebin?

[17:01:35]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: nope, I can do it quick if I'm not too retarded to paste the wrong one :)

[17:02:04]

olsta:

i found a lircd.conf for my ir but how can i get this one? ~/.mythtv/lircrc

[17:02:27]

olsta:

my card is a hauppauge hvr-1100

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rmoquin:

AndyCap: http://pastebin.ca/609027

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subx:

how many gigs do u use for the OS what runs your mythtv backend box?

[17:09:13]

AndyCap:

rmoquin: http://pastebin.ca/609034 care to try something like this with -logverbose 6 and see what it says about it?

[17:09:28]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: sure, one sec

[17:09:52]

AndyCap:

rmoquin: you going to use TwinView when you're done btw?

[17:11:07]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: yeah since Dagmar said I should use the svid output

[17:11:35]

AndyCap:

for the tv or the projector?

[17:11:41]

rmoquin:

projector

[17:11:45]

rmoquin:

the projector is my tv

[17:12:01]

rmoquin:

it supports vga input

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AndyCap:

ok.. well, if we get vga working we should be ok

[17:12:08]

rmoquin:

svid and hdmi

[17:12:12]

AndyCap:

or if you buy a dvi card

[17:12:31]

rmoquin:

so whatever is best I'm fine with :) I'm a little confused at this point what I should be aiming for (other than hdmi)

[17:12:37]

rmoquin:

used to have this all figured out

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rmoquin:

AndyCap: http://pastebin.ca/609058

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rmoquin:

long as filezilla did the file transfer properly

[17:22:31]

rmoquin:

filezilla on linux kinda stinks

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cheeseboy:

hi

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rmoquin:

AndyCap: boy that looks rough :)

[17:25:00]

cheeseboy:

i want to use xbox controller as my remote and controller for mythgame

[17:25:18]

cheeseboy:

is that possible?

[17:26:20]

GreyFoxx:

cheese sure

[17:26:46]

AndyCap:

rmoquin: the picture?

[17:26:56]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: yeah, all smooshed

[17:27:06]

cheeseboy:

GreyFoxx, where do i start?

[17:27:30]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: actually it's cut off on the right, fills around 60% of the screen

[17:27:39]

AndyCap:

rmoquin: hmm. should be some adjustments on the projector as well, but yeah, that doesn't sound too good.

[17:27:51]

kslater:

anyone know if zap2it is back up yet?

[17:28:27]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: the resolution actually looks like it does when I set it to 1024x768... the text gets screwed up and it doesn't fit

[17:28:37]

rmoquin:

so far, then 1280x800 has looked the best

[17:28:40]

GreyFoxx:

kslater: Doesn't appear to be

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GreyFoxx:

I'd be suprised if it was fixed before Monday morning

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kslater:

strange thing is that my guide data on DirecTV is also missing

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AndyCap:

rmoquin: what does the projector think the resolution is now?

[17:31:12]

rmoquin:

it says 1280x720 in the x screen res

[17:31:18]

rmoquin:

not sure how to see what the projector thinks it is

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rmoquin:

doesn't seem to have an info I can ask for from it to get it

[17:36:32]

AndyCap:

rmoquin: didn't see anything obvious in the manual, but it had a lot of settings

[17:37:14]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: yeah it does have a lot, I tried a couple of them, but nothign appears obvious.. I'm wondering why the 1280x800 looks so much better than the 1280 x 720

[17:37:37]

rmoquin:

the 800 seems to fit, just not QUITE wide enough

[17:37:43]

rmoquin:

almost like it should be 1024

[17:38:19]

rmoquin:

thought when I put it on 1024, it gets all screwed up like it is now

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rmoquin:

hmmm... I'm not sure what to do with the projector

[17:45:29]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=805452

[17:45:36]

AndyCap:

I guess there's nothing for it except playing with the settings.

[17:45:37]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: wonder if this helps

[17:45:57]

AndyCap:

rmoquin: hehe, pasted that to you a while ago

[17:46:34]

AndyCap:

but they're off on a slight wild goosechase, you won't be able to run custom modes through the tv/s-video encoder I think

[17:47:21]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: oh did you? I musta missed it and wasn't paying attention

[17:55:13]

rmoquin:

oh duh now I see where it reports it's mode

[17:57:36]

rmoquin:

eek no wonder it looks like hell.... now it thinks it's in MAC16

[17:57:43]

rmoquin:

with the settings you gave me

[17:58:42]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: so correct height, just the width isn't right

[18:01:07]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: that ATSC setting they mentioned actually seems to work

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rmoquin:

hmm seems like I'm good to go now... just gotta figure out why lirc doesn't want to work anymore

[18:06:24]

cheeseboy:

can someone help im trying to do this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Joystick_Control but it isnt working

[18:06:33]

rmoquin:

AndyCap: thanks for the help

[18:07:04]

rmoquin:

Dagmar: thanks for the help also

[18:09:12]

cheeseboy:

anyone ? :(

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AndyCap:

rmoquin: good lucky with setting it up then. :)

[18:13:59]

cheeseboy:

AndyCap, can u hlp?

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cheeseboy:

help?

[18:32:31]

traar:

With DataDirect seemingly down with server issues, I picked a really bad time to re-install MythTV. I cannot retrieve my lineup. Is there a way to restore it from somewhere else (backed up)?

[18:32:42]

Dagmar:

Heh.

[18:32:49]

Dagmar:

Do you HAVE a backup?

[18:33:38]

traar:

I have several recent backups of my database. I also have a brother running a (nearly) identical box with the same cable provider.

[18:34:18]

Dagmar:

Ahh...

[18:34:53]

Dagmar:

Well, there's this thing called mysqldump that you can use to dump individual tables out of the database into flat text files full of SQL commands that recreate them

[18:35:03]

my2keh:

grab his mysql.mythconverg.program table and you should be able to fudge your way around it

[18:35:07]

my2keh:

or just wait

[18:35:25]

Dagmar:

Get a list of the tables, dump out the ones that look like they contain what you want, and then feed them to your new DB server using `mysql < whateverfile.sql`

[18:36:27]

traar:

We tried loading his listing data, which loaded, but my backend wouldn't show it--it shows mythfilldatabase running succesfully (though it did not) but it does not show the listings

[18:36:47]

traar:

We could see that they were loaded into my database, though

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Dagmar:

Well they'd need to be tied to the video source information

[18:37:32]

traar:

I wondered if there might be a flag / file outside of the database that needed to be "fudged"

[18:37:39]

Dagmar:

Nope, inside the db

[18:38:16]

traar:

OK, so tying them to the vid src would be some field in the data?

[18:38:28]

Dagmar:

Yep

[18:40:01]

traar:

I don't remember seeing a data field in the listings that named his video source, but if it did, it seems that it would still be like mine

[18:40:12]

cheeseboy:

if u wont help me with that will u help me with mythtgame?

[18:40:13]

traar:

because we both use the same type of card

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snarkster:

hi everytime i start mythtv it restarts my xserver

[18:41:03]

snarkster:

i cant even run setup.. :( please give me advice.

[18:42:43]

cheeseboy:

help??

[18:43:10]

my2keh:

cheeseboy>> just ask your question, if somoene can answer it they will

[18:43:15]

my2keh:

snarkster>> what do your logs show?

[18:44:02]

snarkster:

logs?? haha i have no idea where the logs are.

[18:44:05]

cheeseboy:

can someone help im trying to do this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Joystick_Control but it isnt working And mythgame int adding any games

[18:44:10]

snarkster:

im a loser. LOL

[18:44:40]

my2keh:

http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=CheckingLogFiles

[18:44:50]

my2keh:

snarkster>> maybe do a little reading then come back

[18:45:32]

snarkster:

thank you

[18:45:44]

cheeseboy:

my2keh, can u hlp with either of those?

[18:45:59]

my2keh:

cheeseboy>> I've never used mythgame

[18:46:00]

my2keh:

sorry

[18:46:31]

traar:

Dagmar & my2keh, Thanks for your assistance. Any suggestion on what specifically to look for in the program table that links listing data to video source?

[18:46:51]

Dagmar:

I've absolutely no idea whatsoever

[18:48:32]

traar:

Dagmar, okay-thanks anyway...I may just have to wait a while and see if DD starts working again this week.

[18:48:58]

my2keh:

traar

[18:49:03]

my2keh:

just a sewc

[18:49:14]

traar:

my2keh, okay...

[18:50:17]

my2keh:

program.chanid

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my2keh:

links to channel.chanid

[18:50:56]

my2keh:

channel.sourceid links to videosource.sourceid

[18:51:18]

my2keh:

videosource.sourceid links to cardinput.sourceid

[18:51:54]

my2keh:

so if you have different sourceid's then your brother

[18:52:02]

my2keh:

it's not gonna work

[18:52:14]

my2keh:

and you CAN have different one's just depends on how you set it up

[18:52:39]

my2keh:

for example, in my setup, i messed up a few times, deleted some items, and one of the fields is auto-increment

[18:52:46]

my2keh:

ended up at id #8/9

[18:52:52]

my2keh:

when I only had 2 items

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traar:

Heh, I once had 14/15

[18:53:27]

my2keh:

exactly

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my2keh:

so ur in for some fun

[18:53:40]

my2keh:

probably better just to hold your horses

[18:54:08]

traar:

Okay, this really is helpful. I'll take a look and re-evaluate how important it is to do this manually...

[18:54:27]

traar:

There are some programs that I want starting this week, though! :-)

[18:54:42]

my2keh:

good idea

[18:54:51]

my2keh:

well then restore to your previous backup :)

[18:55:14]

traar:

and I thought MythTV was supposed to keep me from letting television run my life!

[18:55:51]

traar:

Previous backup is still and option, too. Thank you again for your help my2keh!

[18:56:04]

my2keh:

n/p

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cheeseboy:

so no help here?

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my2keh:

i guess not

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cheeseboy:

:(

[19:02:03]

my2keh:

there are the mailing lists though

[19:02:04]

my2keh:

check though

[19:02:07]

my2keh:

err those

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subx:

wheres that dodgy bloke juski?

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cheeseboy:

juski can help?

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Cry_wolf2:

Have a strange problem. Got sound on all channels except on Eurosport, discovery and animal planet. logfile reports sound in mp3 and no concrete errors

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my2keh:

man copying mpgs from one hd to another takes FOREVER

[19:13:48]

keith4:

is the dev channel logged?

[19:14:50]

keith4:

i've been on vacation for 2 weeks, and wanted to see if any progress was made regarding the zap2it affairs

[19:15:23]

cheeseboy:

keith4, you know anything about mythgame?

[19:15:27]

my2keh:

keith4>> i don't think any progress has been announced yet

[19:15:59]

keith4:

cheeseboy: i think we tried to use it once

[19:16:03]

keith4:

with limited success

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keith4:

my2keh: ok, thanks

[19:16:38]

cheeseboy:

keith4, i cant get it to find any games

[19:17:01]

keith4:

where does it expect roms to be?

[19:17:27]

cheeseboy:

/home/mythtv/nesroms

[19:17:46]

keith4:

does it log anywhere?

[19:17:57]

cheeseboy:

im not sure

[19:18:09]

keith4:

my only frontend with mythgame is off i think

[19:19:13]

keith4:

in fact, it appears all of them are off

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cheeseboy:

:(

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keith4:

it's not a permission problem?

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keith4:

i remember it behaving oddly

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cheeseboy:

hi juski

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my2keh:

cheeseboy>> have you tried searching the mailing list?

[19:21:05]

cheeseboy:

i dont use email

[19:21:19]

keith4:

...

[19:21:52]

juski:

mailing list != email

[19:21:57]

my2keh:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/

[19:22:04]

my2keh:

search there

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my2keh:

you guys know of a way to speed up cp?

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my2keh:

i would have thought from one drive to another would be faster

[19:23:18]

juski:

speed up a copy? nah

[19:23:34]

juski:

rsync is more reliable for multiple files plus you get to see how it's going

[19:23:47]

Dagmar:

cp is going to go about as fast as the machine can go

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my2keh:

like i've copied 10 files in about 1 hour

[19:23:56]

Dagmar:

Keep in mind you're talking about GIGABYTES of data now

[19:24:04]

Dagmar:

Hrm...

[19:24:06]

juski:

copying from one drive to another on the same IDE channel isn't as fast as copying from one drive to another on a different channel

[19:24:11]

Dagmar:

Mkae sure you don't somehow have DMA turned off or broken

[19:24:15]

my2keh:

yes, 180 GB's heh

[19:24:27]

my2keh:

it's from one sata drive to an IDE drive

[19:24:30]

my2keh:

DMA eh?

[19:24:31]

Dagmar:

juski: Well, the bus isn't much of a bottleneck since noone's IDE drives tend to saturate it on reads

[19:24:50]

juski:

makes a slight difference, measurable but not much

[19:24:50]

my2keh:

how do I check if dma is on? use hdparm?

[19:24:55]

Dagmar:

Yep.

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Dagmar:

hdparm -tT /dev/drivename

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Dagmar:

You'll see if it's *working* or just pretending

[19:25:21]

Dagmar:

One of the numbers will be huge. Ignore it.

[19:25:27]

juski:

anyway folks don't bother asking how LRL went. preaching to the converted. good drinking but little else

[19:25:52]

juski:

nothing to write home about :)

[19:26:20]

my2keh:

Timing cached reads: 792 MB in 2.00 seconds = 396.10 MB/sec

[19:26:20]

my2keh:

Timing buffered disk reads: 8 MB in 3.12 seconds = 2.57 MB/sec

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juski:

looks like dma ain't on to me

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cheeseboy:

thats not helping :(

[19:26:50]

juski:

though if you do that test while you're trying to copy that'd do it

[19:27:01]

my2keh:

juski>> yes, it's while ocpying

[19:27:06]

juski:

duhhhhhhhhh

[19:27:17]

my2keh:

Timing cached reads: 588 MB in 2.32 seconds = 253.69 MB/sec

[19:27:17]

my2keh:

HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(null) (wait for flush complete) failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device

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my2keh:

Timing buffered disk reads: 8 MB in 3.27 seconds = 2.45 MB/sec

[19:27:17]

my2keh:

HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(null) (wait for flush complete) failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device

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juski:

just leave it be & let it finish

[19:27:24]

my2keh:

haha

[19:27:27]

my2keh:

it's gonna take days

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my2keh:

lol

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Dagmar:

Wow

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juski:

impatience..

[19:27:34]

Dagmar:

Yeah kill it

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Dagmar:

2.45Mb/s is short bus slow

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Dagmar:

An old 386 could outrun that

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cheeseboy:

juski can you help me with mythgame ?

[19:27:59]

my2keh:

especially if I have 185 gb's to copy

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juski:

cheeseboy: er.. no

[19:28:10]

my2keh:

Dagmar>> it's a brand new dual core too

[19:28:11]

my2keh:

heh

[19:28:18]

my2keh:

so kill it, and turn on DMA?

[19:28:19]

cheeseboy:

:(

[19:28:28]

juski:

I used mythgame once & can't call myself qualified to help anybody with it

[19:28:33]

cheeseboy:

its hopeless :(

[19:28:35]

Dagmar:

Check to make sure you don't have the Legacy SATA compatibility stuff enabled in your BIOS

[19:28:39]

Dagmar:

THat could be confusing the kernel

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my2keh:

cheeseboy>> didja search?

[19:28:54]

my2keh:

hmm Dagmar..lemme check

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Dagmar:

I probably haven't been having any problems here because I turn that off

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cheeseboy:

my2keh, yes

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my2keh:

k, lemme check the bios

[19:30:21]

my2keh:

I added: /sbin/hdparm -qd1 /dev/sda

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my2keh:

and /sbin/hdparm -qd1 /dev/hda to my bootmisc.sh

[19:32:23]

my2keh:

should I turn on HDD SMART Monitoring?

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juski:

chocolate fireguard? if you like

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my2keh:

lol

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juski:

warning.. your disk is about to die.. you have 5 secs to recover your data

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cheeseboy:

still no games :(

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my2keh:

ok so I don't see anything about "Legacy" in my bios

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my2keh:

for SATA

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my2keh:

i should be cool to turn DMA on then?

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but mainly DMA should just _enable itself_

[19:36:49]

Dagmar:

You might have the wrong disk controller driver running

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my2keh:

Timing cached reads: 1396 MB in 2.00 seconds = 698.39 MB/sec

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my2keh:

Timing buffered disk reads: 186 MB in 3.03 seconds = 61.46 MB/sec

[19:37:06]

my2keh:

that's while not doing a copy anymore

[19:37:11]

Dagmar:

That's much more like what you should see

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Dagmar:

OH

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Dagmar:

I didn't realize you were trying to do that while the copy was going on

[19:37:24]

my2keh:

yeah I was heh

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Dagmar:

both of us shoudl have known better

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Dagmar:

Check both drives

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Dagmar:

...and then maybe check /proc/interrupts to be sure they're not on the same IRQ or something equally weird

[19:38:15]

my2keh:

i'm trying to find my other drive

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my2keh:

I was in the midst of setting up LVM

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Dagmar:

Umm... oooo-kay

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my2keh:

http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=LvmHowTo

[19:39:23]

cheeseboy:

:(

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my2keh:

shoot I think I have to run through that quickly again

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my2keh:

one sec

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my2keh:

cheeseboy>> maybe ask again and the 2 people here will be able to help you now

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cheeseboy:

mythgame isnt finding any games someone help?

[19:43:10]

juski:

did you tell mythgame where the games are kept?

[19:43:16]

juski:

you need to tell it

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cheeseboy:

yes i did

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juski:

it's not clairvoyant

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my2keh:

Timing cached reads: 1394 MB in 2.00 seconds = 696.88 MB/sec

[19:43:49]

my2keh:

HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(null) (wait for flush complete) failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device

[19:43:49]

my2keh:

Timing buffered disk reads: 186 MB in 3.01 seconds = 61.81 MB/sec

[19:43:49]

my2keh:

HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(null) (wait for flush complete) failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device

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juski:

that being the case it should duly find your games then

[19:44:08]

my2keh:

lol clairvoyant haha

[19:44:22]

my2keh:

ok so those are the numbers now without copying going on

[19:44:28]

cheeseboy:

it doesnt though why im here

[19:44:38]

my2keh:

i guess I should start the copy and try to get the numbers gain hmm

[19:45:18]

my2keh:

and if it's the same, well i just like 1.5 hours of time lol

[19:45:39]

juski:

my2keh: if you use rsync at least you get a progress indicator

[19:45:51]

Dagmar:

It DOES take time to copy that much data

[19:46:00]

cheeseboy:

where is everyone?

[19:46:14]

Dagmar:

WHen I added the 500Gb drive it took hours to copy all 250Gb over to it

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juski:

cheeseboy: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=my . . . ch&meta=

[19:46:41]

my2keh:

interesting...the number is still pretty much the same while doing a copy

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my2keh:

juski>> I have a progress indicator...ls -l :)

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cheeseboy:

juski, ive googled read the docs etc

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my2keh:

cheeseboy>> take the tip, he was giving you a direct search result

[19:48:01]

my2keh:

currently no one in this room can help you

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cheeseboy:

my2keh, ive read that link

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my2keh:

ok..i'm probably on crack, but it seems as though the copy is going faster

[19:49:21]

my2keh:

mental illusions rock! ha

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Massif:

maybe it's speed, not crack :P

[19:50:09]

my2keh:

haha

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my2keh:

dev/sda3 237321616 185718620 51602996 79% /myth

[19:50:24]

my2keh:

dev/mapper/vg-myth 245081240 9580272 235500968 4% /mnt/hda1

[19:50:31]

Dagmar:

New drives take a bit of time for the bearings to loosen up

[19:50:32]

Dagmar:

;)

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my2keh:

haha, they aren't new drives

[19:50:47]

my2keh:

but good thinking haha

[19:50:59]

Massif:

Sweet, my podcast script works :D

[19:51:16]

Dagmar:

/dev/mapper/storage-storage 976710340 624698272 352012068 64% /space

[19:51:26]

Dagmar:

Yes, I have absolutely *no* imagination when it comes to some things.

[19:51:40]

my2keh:

hahaha

[19:51:50]

my2keh:

keeping is simple is good

[19:51:51]

my2keh:

heh

[19:52:14]

Dagmar:

Just wait until you have your first LVM volume data inconsistency

[19:52:20]

my2keh:

uhh oh

[19:52:24]

my2keh:

that doesn't sound sexy

[19:52:32]

Dagmar:

It'll see one tiny thing out of place, but it won't really complain about it in any *overt* way.

[19:52:40]

cheeseboy:

GreyFoxx, can you help me get mythgame to work?

[19:52:44]

Dagmar:

It'll just mumble a little and then disable writing to the volume.

[19:52:47]

my2keh:

will my mythgame work after that? heh

[19:53:10]

Dagmar:

...which really doesn't go well with whatever you were writing to the volume *with* because it makes writes just *block*

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my2keh:

Dagmar>> speaking from experience?

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Dagmar:

Oh yes

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my2keh:

it was painful wasn't it?

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juski:

cheeseboy: you tell it where to find the games & it er.. just finds em. not complicated!

[19:53:44]

cheeseboy:

juski, it doesnt work

[19:53:45]

juski:

assuming the permissions on the files & dir are correct of course...

[19:53:45]

Dagmar:

The most fun part is the tool you use to FIX this tiny inconsistency doesn't really ADMIT it's found anything wrong, or actually SAY that it fixed anything.

[19:54:11]

juski:

cheeseboy: the one time I tried it, it *just* *worked*

[19:54:29]

cheeseboy:

juski, well it doesnt hence im in a support channel

[19:54:38]

my2keh:

Ahh close your eyes and hope it works eh

[19:54:44]

Dagmar:

...but when you start really panicking and mount the thing again in desperation, it'll be all better and pretending like it didn't just scare you into thinking you'd just lost a half-terabyte of data

[19:54:55]

juski:

cheeseboy: did for me :-P

[19:55:12]

my2keh:

good thing this isn't 'data' for me I guess then eh?

[19:55:16]

Massif:

cheeseboy, are the games not showing up?

[19:55:23]

Dagmar:

I sure as hell got cracking on getting upsd running after that

[19:55:23]

my2keh:

but i'll put this note in my filer

[19:55:24]

my2keh:

heh

[19:55:24]

cheeseboy:

Massif, yes

[19:55:28]

juski:

how can it go wrong? you configure it & the games just appear as if by magic

[19:55:41]

juski:

just like in mythmusic, mythgallery, mythvideo...

[19:55:51]

cheeseboy:

juski, i dont know but it does

[19:55:52]

Massif:

did you do "Scan for Games" in the Game Settings?

[19:55:54]

Dagmar:

Maybe the reporting server's link to the internet was offline

[19:55:56]

my2keh:

maybe there's a scanner for mythgame? like mythvideo?

[19:55:59]

my2keh:

ohhh

[19:56:09]

my2keh:

'cause i know mythvideo wasn't set to auto scan

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Dagmar:

Pretty much none of them are

[19:56:19]

juski:

'scan for games' ? nah that'd be too obvious

[19:56:20]

cheeseboy:

Massif, yes and only apears for 1/4 a second

[19:56:26]

Dagmar:

YOu should slap yourself if you never told it to actually look for new games

[19:56:31]

my2keh:

that through me for a loop

[19:56:34]

Massif:

ok, then it would seem it can't find any

[19:56:40]

my2keh:

added a video, cursed it till it showed up

[19:56:41]

Massif:

what type of games

[19:56:44]

Massif:

SNES?

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cheeseboy:

nes

[19:56:51]

Massif:

and what's the extension?

[19:56:56]

my2keh:

then the wifey says "Why don't you check that box that says scan for videos"

[19:56:57]

my2keh:

lol

[19:56:57]

cheeseboy:

nes

[19:56:58]

my2keh:

bitch

[19:57:05]

my2keh:

think's she's smart

[19:57:17]

Dagmar:

Give 'er a little smack in the mouf

[19:57:24]

Dagmar:

That'll temper her spirit

[19:57:29]

my2keh:

I did, I warmed up my back hand

[19:57:33]

Dagmar:

(no dont' actually do that)

[19:57:36]

my2keh:

but she went and got me a beer

[19:57:36]

juski:

my2keh: you must be using SVN trunk then. that isn't in 0.20-fixes

[19:57:47]

Massif:

do you have nes listed in the File Extensions line of Game Player Setup?

[19:57:55]

my2keh:

juski>> I think I am

[19:58:09]

juski:

my2keh: you MUST be or you'd not have the autoscan bit

[19:58:09]

my2keh:

11% already!

[19:58:11]

cheeseboy:

Massif, i tried that but didnt work

[19:58:12]

Dagmar:

I heard an epic prank call the other day

[19:58:20]

Dagmar:

...speaking of smacking someone in the mouth

[19:58:23]

my2keh:

juski>> then I MUST be :)

[19:58:26]

juski:

this channel is a fecking epic crank call

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my2keh:

i've upset him i see

[19:58:52]

Dagmar:

Some syndicated talk show guy had a older sounding guy on the phone whose name was "Joseph Bonafied"

[19:59:08]

Massif:

and I assume your Rom Path is correct, seems obvious but might as well double check

[19:59:08]

my2keh:

ha

[19:59:14]

Dagmar:

He got away with referring to Vegas hotels as "rub joints"

[19:59:36]

cheeseboy:

Massif, yes i cd to directory and games are there

[20:00:08]

Dagmar:

...said he and the wife had gotten in the car and left Los Angeles for Vegas during the heat wave because he didn't trust Cal Edison to not break the power and "bake the woman I love"

[20:00:35]

Massif:

hmm, anyone know if MythGame needs the roms to be owned by Myth?

[20:00:38]

my2keh:

haha

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Dagmar:

He said she was currently resting on the sofa in the hotel with a damp cloth over her face AND an ice bag over her face.

[20:00:48]

my2keh:

never used mythgame

[20:01:12]

cheeseboy:

my2keh, nows a good time to start :-P

[20:01:25]

Dagmar:

He said she'd gotten overheated in the car and was rude and that part of it was his punishment to her for being snippy.

[20:01:29]

my2keh:

nah, i've got other fish to fry

[20:01:32]

Massif:

well I'm stumped

[20:01:36]

Massif:

:\

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Dagmar:

Implied he was giving her a "timeout" and then said "What woman didn't need a little something put on her face to punish her every now and then"

[20:02:13]

Dagmar:

...then he later admitted that he'd given her a good smack in the mouth in the car. Heh

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cheeseboy:

Massif, :(

[20:02:44]

Dagmar:

He had this poor guy believing his crap for a good fifteen minutes of airtime

[20:03:24]

Dagmar:

I was in awe

[20:03:46]

Dagmar:

Everything so plausible, so old-people sounding

[20:03:58]

Dagmar:

...until you dared think to look between the lines

[20:04:18]

Dagmar:

He named the hotel he was staying in

[20:04:22]

Dagmar:

...which is of course, a brothel.

[20:04:46]

Dagmar:

An eldery couple, staying in a brothel. Suuuuuure

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Dagmar:

As phone pranks go, it was a masterpiece

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cheeseboy:

Massif, fixed it :)

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cheeseboy:

Massif, well no but made progress

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Massif:

what was the problem?

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my2keh:

lol

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cheeseboy:

Massif, change it to read write instead of read and set group to mythtv

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brian3:

Hello – for some reason I can't get channel listings. Anyone figured out how, I think Zap2it is down for the count.

[20:10:08]

cheeseboy:

Massif, now the scan thhing works

[20:10:26]

Massif:

good good

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cheeseboy:

Massif, but no games are on list still

[20:10:39]

Massif:

weird

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my2keh:

brian3...they are havin server issues

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Massif:

did you go to "All Games"?

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my2keh:

21%!

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my2keh:

mucho faster!

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brian3:

ah.

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brian3:

will try again later than.

[20:12:11]

Dagmar:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/oh-noes/zap2it-pre . . . n-276146.php

[20:12:12]

brian3:

then

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Massif:

I give you MythPodder: http://www.cas.mcmaster.ca/~sweenet/mythpodder

[20:12:45]

cheeseboy:

Massif, all there is is "game root"

[20:12:58]

Massif:

hmmm

[20:13:22]

Massif:

I don't have any games, but I still have Favourites, All Games, By Genre, By Year, By Name

[20:13:48]

MrBarby:

hi. I'm having an issue with MythTV where I cannot change channels using the EPG. When i try, I just get dumped back to the channel I was watching, and the OSD comes up for the original channel. I can change channel via up and down, just not through the EPG. This happens in both the ubuntu feisty version, and the mythbuntu version, which is the latest snapshot of the svn. Any ideas?

[20:13:56]

my2keh:

maybe i'll mess around and add in Games soon

[20:14:30]

cheeseboy:

Massif, got it

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cheeseboy:

:/

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my2keh:

MrBarby>> I think there's a setting that says Select channel from EPG or something

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cheeseboy:

randomly pressed keys

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Massif:

lol

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MrBarby:

I've tried that, and I get the same result :(

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my2keh:

ohh hmm

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my2keh:

I noticed the channel changes are slow, did you wait a few secs?

[20:15:32]

MrBarby:

yeah

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MrBarby:

it doesn't even change the osd to the right channel when it comes up

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my2keh:

hmmm

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cheeseboy:

maybe i shouldnt have gotten evet nes game ever :/

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cheeseboy:

every*

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my2keh:

lol

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MrBarby:

it doesn't log anything to the backend log when it fails either

[20:17:42]

my2keh:

and the front end log?

[20:17:46]

MrBarby:

i looked at the frontend logs as well, but i could well have missed something

[20:17:57]

MrBarby:

-v all logged too much...

[20:18:09]

MrBarby:

-v channel playback didn't seem to come up with any errors

[20:18:35]

MrBarby:

the odd thing is, if i change to a radio channel, it works the first time

[20:18:42]

MrBarby:

but then it gets stuck on that til i restart myth

[20:18:47]

MrBarby:

and it will never change to a tv channel

[20:18:52]

cheeseboy:

Massif, how i start a game?

[20:18:59]

MrBarby:

it also never playes the radio...

[20:20:05]

my2keh:

MrBarby>> have to tried a reinstall?

[20:20:54]

MrBarby:

tried a format, but it still didn't work

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my2keh:

hummm

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my2keh:

you using cable?

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MrBarby:

no

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MrBarby:

uk dvb-t

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MrBarby:

terrestrial digital

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MrBarby:

i have an internal pci tuner card

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my2keh:

so you tried rescanning the channels?

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my2keh:

are using a diseqc?

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MrBarby:

i haven't tried rescanning – they all work fine if i change to them using up and down

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MrBarby:

what's a diseqc?

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my2keh:

brb

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my2keh:

my screen is almost black for some reason

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my2keh:

heh

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MrBarby:

:s

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MrBarby:

just googled diseqc

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MrBarby:

i'm not using one – the ariel is connected directly to the tuner

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my2keh:

i can bare3ly see the scren heh

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my2keh:

ahh

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MrBarby:

it's really odd

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MrBarby:

i'll probably have to break out gdb to find out what's going on

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MrBarby:

it mentioned calls to ChangeChannel in the frontend log

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MrBarby:

but no errors

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MrBarby:

it's odd that no one else seems to have the same trouble

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MrBarby:

been googling it for ages...

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my2keh:

that was messed up

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Massif:

cheeseboy: you should just have to click on it

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my2keh:

any idea how to tell cp to not over write existing files?

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my2keh:

damn it

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Massif:

http://www.cas.mcmaster.ca/~sweenet/gametrailers

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Massif:

http://www.cas.mcmaster.ca/~sweenet/gamevideos

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Massif:

more download scripts

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Beirdo:

my2keh, man cp

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Beirdo:

and how's the weather in Big Nickel land?

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malikeye:

just picked upa DSM-520... works surprisingly well

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Massif:

Sudbury?

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Beirdo:

aye. and he left again

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Beirdo:

looks like he's on cable modem in Sudbury to me (from his hostname)

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Massif:

oh yeah hostname

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Beirdo:

my dad's on vianet.ca, but dialup.. and in Parry Sound

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my2keh:

stupid IBM

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Massif:

cool, I'm in Hamilton

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Massif:

is Parry Sound near Owen Sound?

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Beirdo:

I used to be in Toronto (Harbourfront), but now am in Puerto Rico

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my2keh:

no

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Beirdo:

kinda. It's half way up Georgian Bay.

[20:40:34]

Massif:

ic

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Beirdo:

Owen Sound's at the south end of hte bay

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Massif:

ah

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my2keh:

is BC near Quebec? kinda

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my2keh:

same country

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my2keh:

heh

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Massif:

lol

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Beirdo:

Parry Sound's halfway between Toronto and Sudbury

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my2keh:

SUDBURY ROCKS!

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my2keh:

opps

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my2keh:

I mean I'm from the Yukon

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my2keh:

not sudbury

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my2keh:

heh

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Beirdo:

and Britt's about halfway between Parry Sound and Sudbury.. and my deadbeat brother-in-law's from Britt

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Massif:

Hamilton pwns Sudbury :P

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Massif:

lol, good to know

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Beirdo:

Sudbury growin any trees lately, or is it still desert-like?

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my2keh:

I know the Mayor of Britt

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my2keh:

heh

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my2keh:

Beirdo>> it hasn't been desert like for many many years

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Beirdo:

heh, I probably went to school with his kids.

[20:43:03]

Beirdo:

yeah, I know, since INCO started polluting Quebec instead with that cool tower :)

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my2keh:

INCO RULES

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Massif:

Where would be a good place to post my download scripts

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Beirdo:

stinko...

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Massif:

I already put it on mythtvtalk

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my2keh:

I work there heh

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Beirdo:

not surprised, half of Sudbury seems to work there

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my2keh:

can I tell the "cp" to ignore all duplicates? like opposite of -f?

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Massif:

any other big mythtv forums?

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Beirdo:

my2keh, I think so, check the man page

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my2keh:

Beirdo>> actually, 150K people live in sudbury, only 5K work for inco

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my2keh:

yeah I'm looking at the page now

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Beirdo:

I said "seems to" :)

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my2keh:

ahh dash -u

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my2keh:

true dat

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my2keh:

heh

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my2keh:

pays good

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my2keh:

-u for update if newer

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Beirdo:

or use -i to prompt you

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my2keh:

I didn't want it to prompt me

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my2keh:

-u works

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FunkyELF:

so does VLC not play x264 videos?

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my2keh:

copying 180GB's takes a while heh

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my2keh:

well...got to go get the wifey...see you guys later!

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Beirdo:

seeya

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Massif:

Damnit, my mythbox just randomly rebooted

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Massif:

well, not totally random

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Massif:

it only happens with analog recordings...but not all the time

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olsta:

hi with irw i can push the buttons and i get an output on terminal

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olsta:

i write a lircrc in $HOME/.mythtv

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olsta:

but it doesen`t work

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olsta:

can someone help?

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olsta:

the daemon i start with lircd -H dev/input -d /dev/input/event1 and irw give me output why doesent work my lircrc in mythtv?

[21:33:59]

RogerM:

can the user that runs mythfrontend read from the device?

[21:34:15]

RogerM:

the lirc device.

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RogerM:

it's usually /dev/lirc0

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snarkster:

so i totally reinstalled again.. i was trying to use KDE.. so I chose a standard install this time. it worked great.

[21:44:12]

snarkster:

well maybe not great but it worked..

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snarkster:

then i reconfigured to justuse the tv not the monitor and things arent so good this time.

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olsta:

RogerM: there isn`t a device lirc0

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olsta:

but irw will work as user, too

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olsta:

only a /dev lircd

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olsta:

only a /dev/lircd

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my2keh:

yo

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my2keh:

I'm just setting up LVM and having some issues

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my2keh:

anyone use it?

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RogerM:

my2keh: I am but when I reinstall I'm removing it. MythTV will support multiple directories(next release, already in SVN) so I will try to use that instead.

[21:50:31]

my2keh:

ahh yeah, well I don't want to manage directories heh

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my2keh:

I rebooted

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my2keh:

and now my hd that I added isn't there, but shows up in webmin

[21:50:49]

my2keh:

heh

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RogerM:

LVM is nice. Untill you get any problems. :)

[21:51:20]

my2keh:

yeah, so I haven't had problems iwth it yet (haven't used it)

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RogerM:

olsta: you should.. try running lircd in debug mode and see if you see any problems.

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my2keh:

like when I do lvdisplay, it shows stuff

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Sonicadvance1:

It seems I'm having troubles with zap2it as it won't download the channel information and I've been trying for over 12 hours

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my2keh:

zap2it is having server issues

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my2keh:

check their forum

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Sonicadvance1:

I was thinking it was

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my2keh:

does this look right: /dev/vg/myth /myth ext3 defaults,auto, 0, 2

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tcpsyn:

I'm concerned about hdtv. I'll need to get hd cards...

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my2keh:

concerned? is there a question?

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tcpsyn:

but how do I send the hd mpgs to the tv?

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tcpsyn:

right now my backend records, and I use twinview to clone the monitor that the frontend is on.

[21:57:14]

tcpsyn:

so I'm using rca

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my2keh:

well

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my2keh:

why would you record HD

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my2keh:

and use RCA?

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my2keh:

kinda pointless

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tcpsyn:

right.

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tcpsyn:

that's my concern.

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tcpsyn:

heh

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tcpsyn:

how do I get the programming to the hdtv in hd.

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my2keh:

does your TV support HDTV?

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tcpsyn:

my video card doesn't have hdmi out.

[21:58:29]

tcpsyn:

not yet, but I'll buy one.

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my2keh:

does your video card support HDTV? via component, dvi, or hdmi?

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tcpsyn:

dvi

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my2keh:

do you have a video sourcde that you get HDTV from? (ie satelitte?)

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tcpsyn:

just the regular stations that are brodcast in hdtv.

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tcpsyn:

fox and whatnot

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my2keh:

so over the air HDTV?

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tcpsyn:

cable

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my2keh:

http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=HDTVSetupHowTo

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tcpsyn:

thanks.

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my2keh:

searching is cool

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my2keh:

all the kids are doing it now

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tcpsyn:

I searched the official wiki.

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tcpsyn:

I thought all the kids did that.

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my2keh:

nah

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my2keh:

kids google things

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my2keh:

heh

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tcpsyn:

since it's official and all.

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my2keh:

doesn't mean it has all the answers

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tcpsyn:

whatever.

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tcpsyn:

thanks for the link.

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madfactor:

I just hear about datadirect... is it accepting connections at all right now?

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my2keh:

haha

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my2keh:

madfactor>> seems as though they are having problems

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madfactor:

Any grabber alternatives for north america yet?

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my2keh:

not that I know of

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my2keh:

unless you use DVB

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madfactor:

Wow... that is a big blow.

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my2keh:

there's plenty of time

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tcpsyn:

I have faith in the linux community.

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tcpsyn:

heh

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madfactor:

I had just talked a friend into dumping his Windoze MCE box to go myth.

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madfactor:

Guess that means lights out for all north america right now.

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tcpsyn:

there's a bunch of rediculous threads on the subject.

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madfactor:

I am sure.

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madfactor:

Pretty big deal for myth supporters in the states really.

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GreyFoxx:

nah

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madfactor:

I keep getting 401 errors. Have all day.

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GreyFoxx:

alternatives will be available

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tcpsyn:

would I be able to use the hd-3000 card to get digital signals from comcast, without going through an stb?

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GreyFoxx:

they have had server issues since early yesterday morning

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madfactor:

Ahhhh.

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madfactor:

OH K.

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madfactor:

Thx GF.

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madfactor:

I'd hate to have to format my REC box for MCE. (yuck)

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GreyFoxx:

There are a few alternatives being worked on, hopefully an official announcement this week

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madfactor:

Like going back to pure XMLTV?

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GreyFoxx:

Zap2it alternatives and screenscrapers

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madfactor:

Ahhhh.

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GreyFoxx:

many progjects are working on stuff

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GreyFoxx:

gb-pvr, mythtv, xmltv etc

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GreyFoxx:

trying to come up with the best solution

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madfactor:

Guess I'll just wait a month or so, check back in.

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GreyFoxx:

worst cast screenscrapers, but unlikely to be required

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snarkster:

im really getting frustrated.. how can i direct all mythtv stuff to the tv, but keep the x stuff on the monitor

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madfactor:

I have been putting off upgrading my box... I messed up a .19 database by connecting a newer one to it.

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GreyFoxx:

snarkster: what ar you using to connect to the TV ?

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snarkster:

s-video

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madfactor:

It has been down a month... so no rush.

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Tanthrix:

Anyone happen to know of a decent, straightforward app for monitoring total bandwidth usage?

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GreyFoxx:

no, I mean are you just using a single video card

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snarkster:

yes with tv out

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GreyFoxx:

Well, I suppose (if it's nvidia at least) you have have X span both monitor and tv outputs as 1 big X screen and then force myth to start on the "TV" portions

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GreyFoxx:

You might run into focus issues though

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GreyFoxx:

If you have asecond card then it's simple

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snarkster:

um i might be able to put a second card in

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GreyFoxx:

Then it's 2 X sessions

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GreyFoxx:

1 on the TV, one on your monitor

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snarkster:

why cant i get it to just use the tv port on the nvidia card.

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GreyFoxx:

They share 1 gpu and are a single "screen" as far as the card is concerned

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GreyFoxx:

you can mirror the various outputs, and or have 1 big screen that spreads over multiple outputs

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GreyFoxx:

but it's still 1 screen

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snarkster:

so i configured it to turn off the monitor and just use the TV, not i gt black screens on both

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GreyFoxx:

That's just aconfiguration issue. You will have to experiment with the various settings

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GreyFoxx:

or try the nvidia auto config tool maybe

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** GreyFoxx heads out **

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tcpsyn:

I use two cards for that.

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Tanthrix:

You can setup two separate X screens, one for each output.

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tcpsyn:

I have my main monitor on one card

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tcpsyn:

and my other monitor on the other.

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Tanthrix:

The end result is that you can move the mouse from one screen to another, use the same keyboard for both, but not drag windows.

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tcpsyn:

with tv out and twinview clone

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Tanthrix:

(And full screen stuff only shows up on one)

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Tanthrix:

Works great for myth

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tcpsyn:

so I can have my desktop, and tv playing at the same time

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tcpsyn:

snarkster, make sure the resolution is at 1024x768 or lower.

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tcpsyn:

for the tv out

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snarkster:

yup

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snarkster:

im having to restart on lvl 3 so i can fix it yet again

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snarkster:

i really didnt want to have a monitor going at the same time

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snarkster:

ok so how do i force mtyh to use the tv then

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tcpsyn:

I don't know, I never got it to work, I have to have a second card and a second monitor.

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tcpsyn:

I just keep the second monitor off.

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tcpsyn:

although I'm sure it can be done

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tcpsyn:

I'm just sick of messing with it

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loops:

does mythtv provide any support for cards that have an FM radio tuner as well as tv tuner ?

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shawnz:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythTV_in_Framebuffer << is qt-embedded required? can qt be used?

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shawnz:

oh i see

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shawnz:

nevermind :p

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TUplink_:

when does myth delete all of the live tv?

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subx:

is there a way to make mythtv use x without a desktop like gnome

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James2:

use ratpoison

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Speedy2:

subx: Try something like fvwm , xfce, etc.

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James2:

xfce works well too :)

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James2:

ratpoison is great for all remote control systems

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tcpsyn:

so let me get this straight.

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tcpsyn:

comcast, those bastards...

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tcpsyn:

sell the hd programming

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tcpsyn:

and encrypt it so that only their stb's can decode it?

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tcpsyn:

is that the truth?

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fincan:

hi everyone

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fincan:

I have a problem with my new mythtv installation (ubuntu feisty, hauppauge PVR-150). It hangs up when I press "retrieve lineups" in video source setup

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fincan:

any ideas?

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tcpsyn:

I think they mentioned that the directdata listings were having problems the last few days

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tcpsyn:

someone was just talking about that

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tcpsyn:

might be an issue with the listing service

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TUplink_:

yea it works but its really slow and hit or miss

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tcpsyn:

Comcast uses 5C encryption to block all channels that they aren't legally mandated to provide over FireWire.

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tcpsyn:

lame

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fincan:

hmm, thank you :)

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tcpsyn:

but then... i se: The FCC requires the cable companies to pass on the digital broadcast channels unecrypted, so you will be able to continue to record them with a MythTV or a 2005 MCE, provided you have a QAM tuner.

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tcpsyn:

which is true?

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fincan:

hmm yes it looks like a data direct error, i get either connection timeout or 401 Unauthorized

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TUplink_:

then you will get a 500

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TUplink_:

internal server error

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TUplink_:

trust me i was trying to get updates sence friday night

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fincan:

gah, in that case i have to enter channel names manually

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TUplink_:

or just wait for it to come back up

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fincan:

if it ever comes up :)

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TUplink_:

if you just keep trying it will work eventualy

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Tanthrix:

tcpsyn: Broadcast == Over the Air.

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Tanthrix:

tcpsyn: So, that means Comcast can 5C everything but ABC/NBC/PBS/etc.. Though, I read through the FCC ruling and I couldn't find where it said that, so I'm not convinced that it's true even though it's spouted out all the time.

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DrMitch:

i haven't read lately, they come up with any ideas for the zap2it dilemma?

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hads:

DrMitch: See wiki

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viridari:

ha that zap2it stuff should be the first item in /topic at this point ;)

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viridari:

and people would still ask

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viridari:

"mom! are we there yet?"

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RaYmAn-Bx:

people rarely actually read topics when they join channels

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