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| [00:00:19] | juski: | terrible that somebody hasnt yet stepped up & fixed it properly |
| [00:00:50] | juski: | ideal chance for somebody to learn to code :) |
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| [00:10:46] | Daviey: | isn't it fixed in svn? |
| [00:15:10] | Daviey: | trac has a fix switching it to weather.com |
| [00:15:38] | jams: | Daviey- was it commited? |
| [00:15:46] | Daviey: | don't think so |
| [00:15:56] | Daviey: | but ubuntu gutsy packages have it |
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| [01:09:35] | Servo888: | So what's going on with Mythtv, and the PVR + Linux world? I haven't seen major updates from Mythtv nor Freevo. |
| [01:09:56] | Servo888: | Is the whole Data Direct thing part of the problem? |
| [01:11:58] | GreyFoxx: | Servo888: The datadirect thing has only been going on for aweek or so |
| [01:12:23] | GreyFoxx: | There just hasn't been a release in awhile. Not specific reason |
| [01:12:44] | Servo888: | But it's not just Mythtv – Freevo development has also slowed. |
| [01:12:54] | GreyFoxx: | I don't follow that :) |
| [01:12:59] | Servo888: | :) |
| [01:14:01] | Servo888: | I love Linux based PVR's – it's the only thing that Linux brought to this world. We had Mythtv even before MS released Windows Media Center |
| [01:14:27] | Servo888: | not 'only' I guess it was a 'major' thing that Linux brought |
| [01:14:31] | Dagmar: | "it's the only thing that Linux brought to thie world" |
| [01:14:33] | Dagmar: | You are high. |
| [01:14:36] | Servo888: | ;-) |
| [01:14:41] | Servo888: | you know what I ment! |
| [01:14:51] | Servo888: | know what i mean* |
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| [01:42:22] | hads: | Well well, reverting to [13654] (pre ffmpeg sync) appears to fix #2335 for me. |
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| [02:52:47] | synic: | is there a common reason why a channel scan would only bring up channels 2–13? |
| [02:52:55] | synic: | My regular TV picks up quite a bit more than that |
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| [03:09:57] | atrus: | synic: i don't know myth all that well, but i know my regular tv picks up only 2–13 if i select antenna signal instead of cable/CATV. |
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| [03:20:54] | hads: | Yeah, you're on the right track there. There's a FAQ about the frequency table I believe |
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| [03:36:13] | Shock|Zzz: | well, i spent an hour arguing with a fella and comcast today about 5c.. he seems to think its perfectly normal that PBS would send 5c on their HD stream and no 5c on their SD stream. ANd its obviously PBS thats doing it, not comcast. |
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| [03:36:43] | Beirdo: | ugh |
| [03:36:49] | Beirdo: | enough coding for me today |
| [03:36:59] | ShockValue: | take a break! have a beer! |
| [03:37:05] | ** ShockValue passes Beirdo a beer. ** | |
| [03:37:19] | Beirdo: | trying to implement ncurses forms for the bot (while fitting into my architecture) |
| [03:37:38] | Beirdo: | got maybe 1/3 of the way in before I ran out of ooomph |
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| [03:41:00] | ShockValue: | hrm.. im seeing a steady increase in "X" % of cpu usage until my system crashes |
| [03:41:03] | ShockValue: | on the frontend |
| [03:41:49] | ShockValue: | takes about 30 minutes until it dies if im watching tv |
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| [03:56:48] | Eclipsor_: | ok, so I'm having problems with my mythtv setup :) |
| [03:57:07] | Eclipsor_: | I followed the guide in ubuntu community docs, not changing anything other than the recording dir |
| [03:57:40] | Eclipsor_: | but when I go to run mythbackend by `/etc/init.d/mythbackend start` it says to restart because the backend is already running |
| [03:57:50] | Eclipsor_: | so I restart, but then it says no backend is running |
| [03:58:12] | Eclipsor_: | but it works if I run mythbackend as a user of any sort :\ |
| [03:58:26] | Eclipsor_: | any... ideas? |
| [04:00:19] | ShockValue: | what does it do if you do /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart |
| [04:00:25] | Dr_willis: | you are using 'sudo /etc/init.d.........' right? |
| [04:00:33] | Eclipsor_: | 22:57:49 <Eclipsor_> so I restart, but then it says no backend is running |
| [04:00:38] | Eclipsor_: | I meant I do what you said, ShockValue |
| [04:00:44] | Eclipsor_: | and yeah, Dr_willis |
| [04:00:51] | ShockValue: | hrm |
| [04:01:11] | Eclipsor_: | Restarting MythTV server: mythbackend No /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed. |
| [04:01:50] | Eclipsor_: | and if I do stop then start, when I do `ps -e | grep myth` nothing pops up |
| [04:03:27] | ShockValue: | is mysql running? |
| [04:03:40] | Eclipsor_: | yeah |
| [04:06:43] | ShockValue: | try runnin mythbackend by itself instead of from init |
| [04:07:17] | Eclipsor_: | I have |
| [04:07:21] | Eclipsor_: | 22:58:11 <Eclipsor_> but it works if I run mythbackend as a user of any sort :\ |
| [04:07:38] | ShockValue: | ah, seems i need to read better tonight :) |
| [04:07:43] | Eclipsor_: | :p |
| [04:08:12] | Eclipsor_: | I guess the quick hack is to start the backend when I log in? |
| [04:08:22] | Eclipsor_: | since this should be a one user machine |
| [04:08:28] | Eclipsor_: | wouldn't be logging out and such often |
| [04:08:31] | ShockValue: | yeah byt thats weird. i dunno why the init would be screwey |
| [04:09:01] | Eclipsor_: | I had it working perfect on fedora, except for some issues with gnome |
| [04:09:08] | Eclipsor_: | but I had to switch to ubuntu for the support :p |
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| [05:31:25] | Eclipsor_: | whats a decent size for a half hour of recording? |
| [05:31:40] | Eclipsor_: | is 1gb in the ballpark? |
| [05:33:07] | Agrajag-: | depends on the source |
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| [05:34:27] | Eclipsor_: | sd broadcast tv |
| [05:34:40] | Agrajag-: | dvb? |
| [05:34:54] | Agrajag-: | but yeah, sounds about right |
| [05:35:05] | Eclipsor_: | dvb? |
| [05:35:16] | Agrajag-: | if you don't know.. then it's not :) |
| [05:35:22] | Eclipsor_: | :P |
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| [05:45:00] | xris: | Eclipsor_: my firewire recordings come in around there for SD. |
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| [05:46:39] | hads: | My DVB recordings are about .8GB and my ivtv ones around 1.2GB |
| [05:48:00] | Eclipsor_: | ok, and thats without any transcoding? |
| [05:48:25] | hads: | I don't transcode anything. |
| [05:48:32] | Agrajag-: | ivtv does hardware encoding, dvb is transmitted as mpeg2 |
| [05:50:42] | Agrajag-: | hads: noticed your hostname.. you don't work for anchor do you? |
| [05:51:30] | hads: | Agrajag-: Na, I'm just IRCing from a server I have hosted there. I'm actually in NZ |
| [05:51:43] | Agrajag-: | ah right ok. my company uses anchor for hosting too :) |
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| [05:53:50] | juski: | Servo888: reason you've not seen anything going on with Freevo is cos they've not been doing anything :-P |
| [05:54:18] | ShockValue: | sure wish HD wasnt so CPU intensive... i have a good video card, but my box is still limited by it's CPU |
| [05:54:49] | Eclipsor_: | wouldnt xvmc help with that? |
| [05:55:00] | juski: | nah the only thing to do is chuck more CPU in thre |
| [05:55:02] | ShockValue: | yeah, im running xvmc, but it only helps a little |
| [05:55:12] | Eclipsor_: | ah :\ |
| [05:55:16] | juski: | doesn't help at al if you own ATI :-P |
| [05:55:19] | ShockValue: | anyone got a socket 478 3.2 Ghz? |
| [05:55:20] | juski: | muhahahaha |
| [05:55:32] | ShockValue: | for sale i mean. cheap :) |
| [05:55:33] | Eclipsor_: | ok, how do I change that box that program information is shown in while watching live tv |
| [05:55:52] | juski: | what? |
| [05:55:59] | juski: | the OSD theme you mean? |
| [05:56:07] | ShockValue: | umm, setup tv playback maybe? |
| [05:56:19] | Eclipsor_: | not seeing anything in there shock |
| [05:56:27] | Eclipsor_: | juski: I think that might be it |
| [05:56:31] | Eclipsor_: | I forgot where I saw it last though |
| [05:56:39] | ShockValue: | its whats Juski is saying though. its in the tv options someplace |
| [05:56:44] | juski: | utils/setup > setup > tv settings > playback |
| [05:56:53] | ShockValue: | see! :) |
| [05:57:25] | Eclipsor_: | ah, playback =.= |
| [05:59:13] | juski: | whee Alan Johnston has been freed! nice bit of good news to start the day with |
| [05:59:26] | juski: | on the 4th of July too – how very apt |
| [05:59:35] | ** ShockValue runs off to see who Alan is ** | |
| [06:00:15] | ShockValue: | ew .. glad he got released |
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| [06:00:51] | juski: | anyway time to head to work... |
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| [06:03:32] | ShockValue: | you know, i love fireworks.. but its kind of irritating to have my dogs running around scared to death for 48 hours |
| [06:03:45] | Eclipsor_: | heh |
| [06:03:48] | Eclipsor_: | its worse where I live |
| [06:03:52] | Eclipsor_: | you have horses running around |
| [06:04:23] | ShockValue: | yeah, alot more weight behind those things :) |
| [06:08:14] | xris: | ShockValue: friends give valium to their dog every year |
| [06:08:19] | xris: | our cats don't even notice. |
| [06:09:03] | Eclipsor_: | thats so evil :p |
| [06:09:07] | Eclipsor_: | of course |
| [06:09:16] | Eclipsor_: | you have the other side of the gun shy spectrum |
| [06:09:24] | xris: | better than finding her inside of the bathroom cupboard like they did one year (and she's not a small dog) |
| [06:09:24] | Eclipsor_: | a hunting dog out here tried to eat a firework last year |
| [06:10:59] | ShockValue: | yeah, i had a dalmatian that was aggressive to fireworks. she would lunge at em and try to bite.. luckily i found this out when she was on leash |
| [06:11:28] | ShockValue: | of course, that bitch was agressive to everything. ;) |
| [06:15:46] | ShockValue: | now if i could just find an overclocking CPU utility for linux I'd be in business |
| [06:16:05] | ShockValue: | i know that my 2.8 will do 3.2.. but in a POS dell with no BIOS functionality im stuck |
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| [06:27:56] | k-man_: | can anyone recommend a good remote for mythtv? |
| [06:30:21] | xris: | k-man_: microsoft mce remote |
| [06:30:28] | xris: | (scary but true) |
| [06:30:45] | xris: | that, or a logitech harmony remote with a homegrown IR receiver |
| [06:32:32] | k-man_: | xris, ok |
| [06:32:35] | k-man_: | ill take a look |
| [06:32:47] | xris: | should be an article about the microsoft one in the mythtv wiki |
| [06:34:36] | k-man_: | ah, ok |
| [06:34:46] | hads: | I've had a really good run with the MS MCE remotes. One has forgotten how to program it's TV Power button but that's about it. |
| [06:35:46] | xris: | k-man_: and the keyboard is really cool, too.. as long as you don't mind not being able to use it for bios/grub. and the driver is semi-maintained (not officially, but via lots of patches) by kormoc, one of the other mythtv devs |
| [06:36:09] | k-man_: | xris, what keyboard? |
| [06:36:15] | xris: | k-man_: the microsoft mce keyboard |
| [06:36:24] | k-man_: | oh.. there is an mce keyboard? |
| [06:36:26] | xris: | it's actually a remote shaped like a keyboard, but there's now a kernel driver for it |
| [06:36:55] | xris: | (to give you an idea how wacky it is, it doesn't even work in XP... only XP MCE and Vista) |
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| [06:37:09] | xris: | but it's a REALLY nice keyboard + integrated mouse + integrated remote buttons. |
| [06:37:49] | k-man_: | right... |
| [06:38:34] | Vai_Ro: | I'm pretty new to mythtv i've just configured the backend and was woundering if there was a way to add shows that are currently on your hard drive to its database |
| [06:38:43] | xris: | Vai_Ro: you want mythvideo |
| [06:38:50] | xris: | and just don't tell us where you got them (seriously) |
| [06:39:11] | k-man_: | i was thinking of getting this: http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/show_product_in . . . ory_id]=1159 |
| [06:39:18] | Vai_Ro: | ok thanks |
| [06:39:36] | ** xris wonders how many people are going to be willing to try mythtv once they have to pay for tv listings data.... ** | |
| [06:39:39] | k-man_: | its a wireless keyboard |
| [06:39:48] | k-man_: | xris, are you in the US? |
| [06:39:54] | xris: | k-man_: yeah |
| [06:39:57] | k-man_: | oh... |
| [06:40:05] | k-man_: | well, we have to pay for data here in Aus. |
| [06:40:20] | k-man_: | but some guys wrote a very good web scraper called shepherd |
| [06:40:21] | xris: | k-man_: keyboard looks nice. I just use a logitech wireless one for mine (I have an mce remote but am too lazy to remember how I configured th buttons) |
| [06:40:34] | hads: | k-man_: There's a Shintaro wireless keyboard. It's pretty budget but it works. |
| [06:40:44] | k-man_: | hads, long enough range? |
| [06:41:11] | xris: | k-man_: there are some scrapers to replace labs.zap2it, but we're trying to convince people not to use them... we *hope* to eventually be able to at least offer super-minimal free data |
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| [06:41:22] | xris: | but it'll be a monthly/quarterly fee at first. |
| [06:41:39] | hads: | k-man_: Not too bad, reaches to my couch. I only mention it as it comes from one of my suppliers in AU so I know it's readily available over there. |
| [06:41:48] | k-man_: | xris, that would be better i guess |
| [06:41:50] | gregorovius: | hi people. I got lirc working but for some reason myth isn't picking up lircrc... what can I do? |
| [06:41:59] | hads: | It's not very well built but it's cheap. |
| [06:42:01] | k-man_: | hads, oh, ok, thanks |
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| [06:42:12] | k-man_: | hads, does it have a trackball on it too? |
| [06:42:20] | xris: | k-man_: have to have *something* for people who are "just trying" mythtv... or xmltv, or macprogramguide, or gb-pvr, or any of other other programs that currently rely on zap2it |
| [06:43:08] | xris: | k-man_: I realize it's not AU, but this is the kb I was talking about: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823109150 |
| [06:43:12] | k-man_: | xris, yeah... well... we don't have that luxury over here |
| [06:43:23] | hads: | k-man_: http://mmt.com.au/Online/ProdDetail.php?number=0000017329 |
| [06:43:25] | xris: | it's IR, but reception is better than any RF I've ever used. |
| [06:43:57] | xris: | k-man_: if this works out, we hope to some day be able to become a centralized location for listings data for all users. |
| [06:43:58] | k-man_: | crap, somethings wrong with my xchat and I can't copy and paste any urls out of it |
| [06:44:10] | k-man_: | or anything at all for that matter |
| [06:44:20] | hads: | xris: I've always thought that'd be a good keyboard but I don't really have much need. |
| [06:44:35] | xris: | hads: and you need the special drivers.. |
| [06:44:46] | hads: | Yeah, that put me off a little. |
| [06:44:47] | xris: | kormoc has it working really well, though... after he hacked the driver into submission. |
| [06:45:09] | gregorovius: | oh wait. does mythtv support the "remote" option in its lircrc? |
| [06:45:16] | xris: | all of his patches are in the upstream release, though... he even got one of the IR blasters working on the receiver module. |
| [06:45:43] | gregorovius: | nevermind |
| [06:45:57] | gregorovius: | I should do 'sleep 5s, ask question' |
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| [06:48:44] | k-man_: | hold off talking about the remotes until i get back |
| [06:48:46] | k-man_: | have to restart xchat |
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| [06:50:27] | ShockValue: | my screen says max resolution is 1360x765. but it also states that it handles 1080i, which is 1920x1080. what am i missing here? |
| [06:52:38] | xris: | ShockValue: what's the native res of the display? |
| [06:53:27] | ShockValue: | 1365 x 768, |
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| [06:55:12] | ShockValue: | but the data also says: TV Scan Lines 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i |
| [06:57:12] | xris: | ShockValue: it just means that on the component (analog) and hdmi inputs, it'll auto-parse and downsize the 1080 stuff |
| [06:57:23] | xris: | if you're going from a computer, stick to the native res for a clearer picture |
| [06:58:27] | ShockValue: | well lets see if xorg.conf will take 1360x765.. it likes to complain about such things |
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| [07:01:00] | xris: | ShockValue: could try to run `X -configure` for autodetection... |
| [07:03:41] | juski: | yay! finally got xorg to behave how *I* want with nvidia drivers!! ffs |
| [07:03:54] | k-man_: | juski, cool |
| [07:03:57] | ShockValue: | i think you might be thte first :) |
| [07:04:11] | k-man_: | what were you trying to acheive? |
| [07:04:56] | juski: | force it into a display mode when it couldn't detect a monitor to validate the mode against |
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| [07:05:18] | juski: | just incase the projector it'll be hooked up to on Sunday doesn't do EDID |
| [07:07:43] | juski: | and it'll save me from restarting X should I ever boot the machine when the monitor is switched off/disconnected |
| [07:08:37] | juski: | never thought I'd say this.. but damn binary drivers... grrr |
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| [07:13:01] | k-man_: | juski, yeah, damn them to hell! |
| [07:13:15] | k-man_: | and damn the evil coporations that write them |
| [07:14:09] | juski: | I never used to care so long as they worked okay – they still do but I found the lack of being able to force a video mode upon the driver _very_ frustrating |
| [07:14:42] | k-man_: | yeah |
| [07:14:45] | k-man_: | well... |
| [07:15:12] | k-man_: | i have found it very annoying that i have to remember to update the nvidia driver when I update the kernel |
| [07:15:15] | k-man_: | i never remember |
| [07:15:20] | juski: | if the driver was open source it wouldn't necessarily have been any better |
| [07:15:52] | k-man_: | so i always go through this cycle of "install new kernel, reboot, x doesn't work, slap forehead, swear at nvidia, rebuild nvidia drivers" |
| [07:15:52] | ShockValue: | hrm, i tried 1365 x 768, but xorg keeps bumping it to 1360 x 768 |
| [07:19:15] | juski: | hahahahaha so _that_ is why mythvideo isn't playing these avi files.. mplayer's not installed. |
| [07:19:35] | juski: | !trout user stupid |
| [07:19:35] | ** MythLogBot slaps user with a stupid trout on behalf of juski... ** | |
| [07:19:39] | ShockValue: | I think you can set it to "internal" |
| [07:19:57] | juski: | I know you can, but now I know *why* it wasn't playing ;) |
| [07:20:42] | juski: | I should make a script to load my bluetooth spammer script at boot time too |
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| [07:25:33] | ShockValue: | bah.. im trying to run xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -a 0, but it gives me a "badmatch" error |
| [07:26:09] | ShockValue: | google and gossamer arent helping me turn up much |
| [07:28:02] | mchou: | ShockValue: so what the your cableco say about 5C? |
| [07:28:24] | mchou: | s/the/did the/ |
| [07:28:37] | ShockValue: | mchou: They insist it's not them, and that PBS is sending the 5c and they're just passing it on. |
| [07:28:44] | ShockValue: | Im calling PBS on thursday |
| [07:29:00] | mchou: | so it only happens on PBS? |
| [07:29:23] | mchou: | does xris get the same PBS station? |
| [07:29:36] | ShockValue: | no, but its the most obviously screwed up one.. It also does it on ABC, NBC (not CBS) and FOX |
| [07:29:57] | mchou: | nah, then it's the cableco |
| [07:29:58] | ShockValue: | but only their HD streams, the SD streams are fine |
| [07:30:19] | mchou: | 5C pretty much only applies to HD |
| [07:30:21] | ShockValue: | yeah, i figure ill call PBS to confirm, and have more ammo to talk to the cableco next round |
| [07:30:51] | ShockValue: | i sat in front of my 6200 for an hour last night noting which flags were set for every station I subscribe to. |
| [07:31:01] | mchou: | heh |
| [07:31:24] | ShockValue: | i thought 5c was set on the music channels they send as well since i cant get them to work. but they're free and clear |
| [07:31:31] | ShockValue: | some reason they just like to make myth barf |
| [07:31:37] | mchou: | some goober at cableco really messing up over there |
| [07:32:02] | ShockValue: | the lady at the actual office wouldnt let me touch her remote control.. i was trying to give her a demo :) |
| [07:32:09] | mchou: | ShockValue: no, messed up 5C wouldnt just addtect myth |
| [07:32:16] | mchou: | lol |
| [07:32:35] | mchou: | s/addtect/affect/ |
| [07:32:39] | ShockValue: | unfortunatly she was the only one there. and obviously trained only to take peoples money |
| [07:32:48] | mchou: | yeah, exactly |
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| [07:33:03] | mchou: | I'm surprised she even knew what 5c was |
| [07:33:21] | ShockValue: | i dont think she did. she just smiled and nodded and asked me if i had reset my box |
| [07:33:39] | ShockValue: | the people i talked to were all on the phone + webchat |
| [07:33:55] | mchou: | golly. how clueless |
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| [07:35:02] | mchou: | ShockValue: you should have told them FCC says no 5C on any local channels |
| [07:35:28] | ShockValue: | i did, and they say "its the local channels that are adding the 5c" |
| [07:35:29] | mchou: | that would get them riled up proper :) |
| [07:36:01] | ShockValue: | i cant really argue with them since i dont have any real proof |
| [07:36:08] | mchou: | ShockValue: and then you should have said: "the FCC mandates no 5C on local channels" |
| [07:36:14] | mchou: | lol |
| [07:36:43] | ShockValue: | so im going to contact my local PBS station and ask if they are adding 5c to their stream, and if not, why comcast is sending it with 5c. |
| [07:36:45] | mchou: | that statement applies both to cableco and local channels |
| [07:37:11] | mchou: | PBS enginnering is generally pretty good |
| [07:37:30] | mchou: | just remember they are the first ones to go HD in most places |
| [07:37:41] | mchou: | so they know what they are doing |
| [07:37:42] | ShockValue: | i figure out of all the networks, i have the best chance of talking to someone who has a clue |
| [07:37:54] | mchou: | no disagreement there |
| [07:38:00] | mchou: | good job |
| [07:38:02] | juski: | woo there's a nice trailer downloading script here |
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| [07:38:26] | mchou: | but you need to open up a can of whoop-ass on your local cableco |
| [07:38:28] | ShockValue: | now if i could just make "xattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 0" work, i'd be ready for bed :) |
| [07:38:48] | ShockValue: | the local office is a ghost town, everyone on vacation this week |
| [07:38:54] | ShockValue: | ill hit them hard on monday |
| [07:39:09] | mchou: | lol, better make that tuesday |
| [07:39:15] | mchou: | all the hangovers |
| [07:39:38] | ShockValue: | nah, hit em while they're hungover for the shockvalue. they'll give me what i want :) |
| [07:39:38] | mchou: | at least one day to recover :) |
| [07:39:59] | mchou: | lol, they'll just barf on ya |
| [07:40:22] | mchou: | and then you'll be the one that's shocked |
| [07:40:24] | ShockValue: | nah, this is comcast we're tlaking about. Im pretty sure they run the place while drunk 100% of the time |
| [07:40:41] | xris: | ShockValue: which pbs channel? |
| [07:40:48] | ShockValue: | KCTS |
| [07:40:53] | ShockValue: | yours! |
| [07:41:00] | xris: | was looking at zap2it the other day and it looks like maybe pbs stopped one of their hd substreams |
| [07:41:16] | ShockValue: | oh shit, thats right.. you have KCTS.. can you check for 5c? |
| [07:41:17] | mchou: | no that makes more sense |
| [07:41:29] | mchou: | s/no/now |
| [07:41:53] | juski: | ah sod it – only 9 gigs worth of trailers. might aswell get em all |
| [07:42:00] | xris: | can't check for 5c, no. but I can see if they come in over firewire |
| [07:42:03] | ShockValue: | nah, if i hook my STB up to a regular TV these channels come in fine. soon as i firewire them, then it breaks |
| [07:42:30] | ShockValue: | im interestd in 105,106,108,109,110,112 |
| [07:42:47] | mchou: | ShockValue: xris channelnums same as yours? |
| [07:42:51] | ShockValue: | yeah |
| [07:42:58] | xris: | ShockValue: 109 works |
| [07:43:00] | ShockValue: | i checked the other day :) |
| [07:43:25] | xris: | my poor box freaks out with HD signal... heh |
| [07:43:27] | xris: | 110 works |
| [07:43:29] | ShockValue: | 109 – KCTSDT KCTSDT (KCTS-DT) |
| [07:43:30] | mchou: | ShockValue: there aint no stinking way PBS is applying 5C |
| [07:43:40] | ShockValue: | 109 – KCTSDT KCTSDT (KCTS-DT) |
| [07:43:44] | ShockValue: | woops |
| [07:44:12] | mchou: | ShockValue: egular TV is SD? |
| [07:44:17] | mchou: | regular* |
| [07:44:37] | mchou: | or are you going thru DVI? |
| [07:44:37] | xris: | 105 works |
| [07:44:54] | ShockValue: | 105 is HD DT NBC for you, yes? |
| [07:44:55] | xris: | not going to test more. I already know that firewire on my box decrypts and passes the clean signal |
| [07:45:09] | ShockValue: | thats fine, thanks xris |
| [07:45:12] | xris: | ShockValue: it's HD.. playing Leno at the moment. no clue if it's nbc. I don't keep track of networks. |
| [07:45:23] | ShockValue: | yep, thats nbc |
| [07:45:48] | mchou: | ShockValue: there is proof right there that cableco is messed up |
| [07:45:49] | xris: | mythbox up 95 days... dare I reboot.... |
| [07:46:15] | ShockValue: | So, check my logic. KCTSDT in Seattle, no 5c. KCTSDT in Bremerton, 5c. Cant be KCTS, but the local cableco? |
| [07:46:24] | mchou: | ShockValue: no frigging way PBS puts 5C on their signal |
| [07:46:43] | xris: | ShockValue: 5c is a cable encryption routine. pbs would only be broadcast on its own |
| [07:47:20] | mchou: | ShockValue: you need to also say SEA and Brementon are on different headends/cable franchise |
| [07:47:36] | juski: | depends.. the source streams might have a flag which turns on 5C at the cable headend |
| [07:47:50] | ShockValue: | on just 1 specific headend? |
| [07:47:54] | mchou: | ShockValue: that step is critical to the logic |
| [07:48:00] | ShockValue: | mchou: roger |
| [07:48:39] | mchou: | juski: wtf are you spewing about? |
| [07:49:04] | mchou: | juski: you dont even live in US |
| [07:49:27] | ShockValue: | no, but he did sleep at a holiday inn last night :) |
| [07:49:47] | mchou: | not to mention those are the same signal coming from the same PBS station |
| [07:51:08] | ShockValue: | xris, mind if I ask your zipcode? (pm me if thats cool) |
| [07:51:38] | mchou: | ShockValue: it's clear to me that your local cableco is very screwed about about 5C |
| [07:52:08] | ShockValue: | yes, but i need evidence so they'll even listen to me without the "its the networks" BS line they keep feeding me |
| [07:52:21] | mchou: | ShockValue: no argument there |
| [07:52:45] | xris: | ShockValue: fyi, comcast is getting data from the syndicates, not the networks. |
| [07:53:01] | ShockValue: | ok, syndicates. i best use the right nomenclature :) |
| [07:53:09] | ShockValue: | although, they keep saying "networks" |
| [07:53:15] | mchou: | ShockValue: just point them to this conversation betw. xris and yourself |
| [07:53:45] | mchou: | SEA PBS works. Bremerton doesnt, what's the dealio? :) |
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| [07:54:30] | ShockValue: | you cant say dealio in bremerton. you have to talk hick-speak :) |
| [07:54:34] | xris: | ShockValue: shows their ignorance... |
| [07:54:51] | xris: | network == PBS/NBC, syndicate == KCTS/KING |
| [07:54:53] | mchou: | ShockValue: dealio _is_ hick speak |
| [07:55:15] | xris: | if they only got data from the networks, you wouldn't get any local programming like news... |
| [07:55:16] | ShockValue: | hrm.. i thought that was homie speak.. i dunno, i only understand l33t |
| [07:55:43] | mchou: | ShockValue: ok, you have apoint there |
| [07:55:59] | mchou: | hick !=homie |
| [07:56:56] | ShockValue: | on something totally unrelated, anyone know why "xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 0" would give me a badmatch error? |
| [07:57:03] | ShockValue: | im trying to get rid of the annoying blue bar |
| [07:57:08] | mchou: | cause it's in use |
| [07:57:25] | mchou: | or doesn't exist |
| [07:58:00] | ShockValue: | well i sure hope it exists.. neon blue stripe across the top of shows is quite distracting :) |
| [07:58:27] | mchou: | ShockValue: what video card is this? |
| [07:58:51] | ShockValue: | 7600 nvidia |
| [07:59:10] | mchou: | dude, that's normal I think for 7600 |
| [07:59:27] | mchou: | in fact anything over 6000 |
| [08:00:02] | ShockValue: | erm, so how do i get rid of the annoying blue bar? |
| [08:00:07] | mchou: | cause they dont really have a v4l "adaptor" |
| [08:00:27] | mchou: | ShockValue: what ver of myth? |
| [08:01:00] | ShockValue: | mythtv-0.20.1_p13783 |
| [08:01:25] | mchou: | you using xvmc? |
| [08:01:29] | ShockValue: | ya |
| [08:01:40] | mchou: | turn off xvmc is simple answer |
| [08:01:51] | mchou: | no more blue bar |
| [08:02:00] | ShockValue: | man, i need ever % of proccessor i can get. HD makes my system max |
| [08:02:19] | mchou: | huh?? what speed proc? |
| [08:02:27] | ShockValue: | 2.8 socket 478 |
| [08:02:37] | mchou: | bah. |
| [08:03:06] | mchou: | 3200 would have been sufficient :) |
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| [08:03:09] | ShockValue: | watching 1080 takes mythfrontend to about 85%+ |
| [08:03:18] | mchou: | so? |
| [08:03:24] | mchou: | you have 15% left |
| [08:03:30] | mchou: | :) |
| [08:03:32] | xris: | hmm, reboot mythbox, mythbackend starts fine but frontend refuses to connect..... not good |
| [08:03:34] | ShockValue: | then you have X at 10%, and various other crap peaking it :) |
| [08:03:55] | ShockValue: | xris – same myth versions? |
| [08:04:02] | samesame: | people from UK havent had the luxury of watching HD on mythtv yet :( |
| [08:04:17] | xris: | ShockValue: of course. it's not that. it's apparently actually refusing connections |
| [08:04:24] | mchou: | samesame: why is that? |
| [08:04:27] | xris: | but no errors from the backend itself. |
| [08:04:31] | ShockValue: | oh. so its like my wife? :D |
| [08:04:43] | mchou: | haha! |
| [08:05:11] | xris: | samesame: I had to borrow a TV from work to do so... |
| [08:05:16] | mchou: | ShockValue: your wife cant be refusing that much if you're expecting a kid :) |
| [08:05:34] | ShockValue: | well, i got 1 good connection. its been flakey every since |
| [08:05:39] | mchou: | lol |
| [08:05:48] | xris: | looks like maybe there's a really big JobQueueRecover thing or something |
| [08:06:01] | mchou: | ShockValue: that's cause she is _pregnant_ |
| [08:06:02] | ShockValue: | ok, im gonna get in trouble.. g'night |
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| [08:10:11] | xris: | http://www.watchjtv.com/html/page08.php |
| [08:10:16] | xris: | yay for gpl compliance... |
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| [08:11:38] | mchou: | xris: where did you find out about that?? |
| [08:11:57] | xris: | one of their users contacted me |
| [08:12:10] | xris: | pointed out that the screenshots look a LOT like mythweb (because it is) |
| [08:12:18] | xris: | http://watchjtv.com/demo/ |
| [08:12:22] | mchou: | xris: that's gotta be the biggest crap |
| [08:12:45] | mchou: | does $10 only apply to overseas or? |
| [08:12:52] | xris: | they're based in the US. |
| [08:13:05] | quicksilver: | the fact that 'MythWeb' appears in the <title> tage is a small clue, too :) |
| [08:13:11] | xris: | they record stuff in japan, and distribute it to these linux-based boxes to expats who miss japanese tv. mythweb is their "download" interface. |
| [08:13:35] | xris: | quicksilver: depite the demo, they've apparently removed all branding from it so it actually SAYS mythweb/mythtv now, too. |
| [08:13:41] | mchou: | xris: ok, I didn't know what biz they were in |
| [08:13:52] | xris: | mchou: hard to if you don't read japanese. heh |
| [08:14:33] | mchou: | xris: so I dont get it. are they even required to provide source? |
| [08:14:54] | mchou: | I mean everything is done via web/if, no? |
| [08:15:08] | xris: | it's not web-based... is installed on a piece of hardware |
| [08:15:17] | xris: | mythweb connects to their remote server for downloads |
| [08:15:31] | mchou: | oh, so they have a HW frontend? |
| [08:15:36] | xris: | yeah, sort of |
| [08:15:44] | xris: | you buy the hardware, they provide the content to watch on it |
| [08:15:54] | mchou: | but is the frontend running myth at all? |
| [08:15:54] | xris: | they control all software on the box via remote updates, etc. |
| [08:16:02] | xris: | the player itself is apparently something proprietary |
| [08:16:30] | mchou: | leeme put it another way, does the layer contain myth code? |
| [08:16:35] | xris: | I have no idea |
| [08:16:35] | mchou: | player* |
| [08:16:40] | xris: | according to them, no |
| [08:16:43] | xris: | they just use mythweb. |
| [08:16:53] | mchou: | let's say the player doesnt contain myth code...... |
| [08:17:11] | xris: | can't tell until I get at the source they're offering. |
| [08:17:14] | mchou: | they are they required to provide GPL code? |
| [08:17:43] | xris: | they're required to either include it accessible on the box with the binaries, or offer to mail it... which is what is in that link I posted. |
| [08:17:53] | mchou: | s/^they// |
| [08:18:22] | mchou: | really?? even if the player doesnt contain myth code? |
| [08:18:37] | xris: | if the player contains gpl code, they do. if it's 100% proprietary, then they don't. |
| [08:19:04] | xris: | if the box is closed up tight, we have know way of knowing for sure. |
| [08:19:06] | mchou: | so they found a loophole |
| [08:19:22] | mchou: | GPL loophole |
| [08:19:23] | xris: | hard to say without access to the hardware |
| [08:19:29] | xris: | how is that a loophole? |
| [08:19:56] | mchou: | let's say the player doesnt contain any gpl code at all..... |
| [08:20:12] | xris: | if there's no gpl code, they're not bound by the gpl... no loophole |
| [08:22:06] | mchou: | xris: exactly. so why do they "need" GPL compliance? |
| [08:22:19] | mchou: | I mean why even offer to ship the CD? |
| [08:22:40] | mchou: | what exactly would the CD need to contain? get my drift? |
| [08:23:16] | xris: | mchou: the offer to ship the cd is part of the gpl requirements. |
| [08:23:22] | xris: | as far as proving what's what, I have no idea. |
| [08:23:23] | mchou: | (all this assuming there is no GPL code in the player) |
| [08:23:31] | mchou: | huh??? |
| [08:23:40] | xris: | read section 3 of the GPLv2 |
| [08:24:08] | mchou: | if the player does not contain GPL code, they dont need to have any GPL compliance period. you pretty much said that yourself |
| [08:24:13] | xris: | right |
| [08:24:30] | mchou: | so there is no need to ship CD with anything on it |
| [08:24:32] | xris: | but they distribute GPL binaries with their hardware (the Linux kernel, for one) |
| [08:24:49] | mchou: | even if the use GPL code on the "server" |
| [08:25:03] | mchou: | I'm lost |
| [08:25:20] | mchou: | are you saing their player uses some GPL kernel? |
| [08:25:22] | xris: | any GPL licensed binaries received by the customer pre-installed on the purchased hardware must be in compliance with the GPL. |
| [08:25:29] | xris: | the box they sell runs linux. |
| [08:25:30] | mchou: | saying* |
| [08:26:00] | xris: | it has some applications on it... some proprietary scripts for grabbing data from servers in japan, some GPL apps like mythweb for interfacing with those servers... |
| [08:26:17] | mchou: | xris: hold on.... |
| [08:26:27] | mchou: | start from beginning. |
| [08:26:40] | xris: | watchjtv.com sells a piece of hardware (a computer) that runs linux. |
| [08:26:40] | mchou: | their player uses some GPL kernel |
| [08:27:11] | xris: | it also happens to have MythWeb and possibly MythTV installed on it for use with their tv downloading service. |
| [08:27:31] | mchou: | hold on |
| [08:27:35] | xris: | in order to be compliant with the GPL, they have to provide access to the source code for all GPL software installed on their device. |
| [08:27:46] | mchou: | lemme be hypothetical here.... |
| [08:27:56] | mchou: | all the recordings are mpeg2 |
| [08:27:59] | xris: | beats me |
| [08:28:11] | xris: | great. I thnk I killed my mythbox by rebooting |
| [08:28:29] | quicksilver: | I thought you were saying they ran mythweb on their servers |
| [08:28:33] | mchou: | they can use any proprietary mpeg player to play back recording on their player |
| [08:28:34] | quicksilver: | not on the boxes they sell |
| [08:28:50] | xris: | it's on the local boxes |
| [08:29:03] | xris: | local box uses mythweb to connect to (presumably) mythbackend server in japan |
| [08:29:16] | mchou: | huh?? |
| [08:29:20] | quicksilver: | if the local box is 'using' mythweb |
| [08:29:25] | quicksilver: | then mythweb is on their serves |
| [08:29:30] | quicksilver: | the local box just needs an HTTP client |
| [08:29:35] | quicksilver: | perhaps a simple web browser |
| [08:29:37] | mchou: | I agree with quicksilver |
| [08:29:39] | quicksilver: | or perhaps something even simpler |
| [08:29:40] | xris: | no. http client is on the user's personal PC |
| [08:29:42] | Sid`: | no. local box has mythweb installed, connects to server in japan via myth protocol |
| [08:29:45] | Sid`: | http client is on PC |
| [08:29:50] | Sid`: | as i understand it |
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| [08:29:58] | quicksilver: | interesting |
| [08:30:06] | xris: | user uses personal PC to connect to watchjtv box (running mythweb), which connects to some server in japan and lets them pick shows to download to the watchjtv box. |
| [08:30:25] | mchou: | I still dont get it |
| [08:30:40] | mchou: | why cant user just use some random browser? |
| [08:30:57] | mchou: | I mean w/o mythweb |
| [08:31:01] | xris: | they're not downloading videos from mythweb. |
| [08:31:13] | xris: | they're using mythweb to browse the catalog on the servers in japan. |
| [08:31:29] | xris: | they pick what they want, and then some proprietary script grabs it and copies it to the watchjtv hardware. |
| [08:31:51] | xris: | or so I had it explained to me by one of their users. |
| [08:31:52] | quicksilver: | I always thought mythweb ran on the backend, not the frontend |
| [08:32:00] | xris: | quicksilver: mythweb *is* a frontend |
| [08:32:08] | quicksilver: | yes, but it runs on the backend, doesn't it? |
| [08:32:10] | xris: | most people run it on the same server as the backend, but it doesn't have to be. |
| [08:32:14] | quicksilver: | ah |
| [08:32:14] | quicksilver: | ok |
| [08:32:22] | quicksilver: | fair 'nuff |
| [08:32:54] | mchou: | well, then it's time to sock it to them |
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| [08:33:14] | mchou: | but they will just work around the mythweb part |
| [08:33:22] | Tanthrix: | Or not. |
| [08:33:30] | Tanthrix: | Since they did update the page appropriately. |
| [08:33:54] | mchou: | I mean that's pretty simple to work around if they wanted to |
| [08:33:59] | juski: | hmm soon be on the shores of wolverhampton :) |
| [08:34:04] | Tanthrix: | xris: Nice one. Good to make sure companies know we're watching...;) |
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| [08:34:51] | mchou: | xris: you gonna contact stallings? :) |
| [08:34:52] | xris: | mchou: they say they've removed any edits from mythweb. I'll get the code from them. others are welcome to request it, too. |
| [08:35:09] | xris: | mchou: already worked through this with watchjtv and a rep from the FSF.. been working on it for a couple of months now. |
| [08:35:18] | mchou: | ok |
| [08:35:23] | Tanthrix: | Aren't they free to do whatever they please as long as they provide the original source code of what they started with? |
| [08:35:30] | mchou: | yup |
| [08:35:44] | mchou: | but they have to provide source code |
| [08:36:01] | xris: | Tanthrix: no, they have to provide the source code to the binaries that the customer receives. |
| [08:36:19] | mchou: | and it's pretty clear $10 is against GPL |
| [08:36:36] | Tanthrix: | xris: Ahh, I see. |
| [08:36:37] | mchou: | yup, xris last statement is correct |
| [08:37:14] | xris: | mchou: $10 is fine. |
| [08:37:17] | mchou: | not only that, but the source coude must easily be accessible by the customer (if it's in the player) |
| [08:37:18] | xris: | it's "a reasonable fee" |
| [08:37:25] | xris: | mchou: no, it doesn't. |
| [08:37:30] | xris: | read gplv2 section 3 |
| [08:37:41] | Tanthrix: | Was just gonna say...that's one thing I do know at least. |
| [08:37:45] | mchou: | xris: my mistake re $10 |
| [08:37:53] | Tanthrix: | Been meaning to read the whole thing at some point, but I haven't gotten around to it yet |
| [08:38:10] | xris: | they have two options.. one is to distribute the source WITH the binaries (easily accessible). the other is to include a written offer to provide the source to ANYONE, upon request, for a reasonable fee of no more than the cost to physically perform the distribution |
| [08:38:25] | xris: | Tanthrix: start with v2 and work your way to v3. yay. (haven't gotten to v3 yet) |
| [08:38:49] | Tanthrix: | I'll put it on my list of things to do this summer |
| [08:38:59] | mchou: | it does not cost $10 to ship CD via USPS |
| [08:39:08] | juski: | why can't anybody ever write licences in English, without all the hereforetoafter waffling BS ? |
| [08:39:27] | mchou: | I've done it. Include cost of mastering the CD, etc., max is $5 |
| [08:39:47] | mchou: | and that's first class mail |
| [08:40:02] | xris: | mchou: but it DOES cost $50/hour to pay someone to separate the GPL source from their proprietary source and burn it to CD. |
| [08:40:04] | mchou: | media mail would be even cheaper |
| [08:40:08] | Tanthrix: | mchou: Do you know what a "business" is? (IE, you've gotta pay people to check and respond to the request, get the CD, print the envelope, etc..) – employees don't work for free |
| [08:40:23] | mchou: | Tanthrix: stfu |
| [08:40:49] | Tanthrix: | xris: So are you going to be sending in the $10 to try and get the source code to make sure everything is legit? |
| [08:40:50] | mchou: | I've got way more business experience than you do |
| [08:40:59] | xris: | mchou: he has a valid point (the correct one, even).. $10 is "reasonable".. $20 would be high, $5 would be good, $0 would be awesome... |
| [08:41:27] | xris: | Tanthrix: yeah. and hoping the customer who contacted me will do the same (since they'll have to give him the pre-cleaned-up code that matches what he received on his hardware) |
| [08:41:37] | Tanthrix: | Ahh, good. |
| [08:41:46] | mchou: | I'm saying reasonable is debateable under the circumstances |
| [08:41:53] | xris: | wow.. that's f'd up. reboot to older kernel and mythbackend is happy again. |
| [08:42:08] | Tanthrix: | What'd ya do to it? |
| [08:42:29] | xris: | no clue. installed a newer kernel, rebooted, mythbackend refuses all connections (but reports no errors) |
| [08:42:33] | quicksilver: | You can charge any amount of money at all for the actual software, and then bundle the source with it. |
| [08:42:34] | Tanthrix: | Angered the gods at the very least |
| [08:42:40] | xris: | quicksilver: correct |
| [08:42:45] | quicksilver: | the "Reasonable fee" point is only if you choose *not* to distribute source up front |
| [08:42:51] | quicksilver: | and instead make an offer to do it later |
| [08:43:06] | Tanthrix: | Odd that the GPL allows that |
| [08:43:11] | quicksilver: | not at all |
| [08:43:17] | quicksilver: | the GPL isn't about software being free-of-cost |
| [08:43:20] | quicksilver: | it's about other freedoms |
| [08:43:25] | mchou: | quicksilver: bing |
| [08:43:26] | quicksilver: | RMS used to sell emacs, for example |
| [08:43:28] | quicksilver: | to support himself |
| [08:43:31] | mchou: | bingo* |
| [08:43:50] | Tanthrix: | quicksilver: Good point. |
| [08:44:03] | juski: | I'm not a huge fan of the GPL right now. gonna use CC for future works :) |
| [08:44:13] | xris: | quicksilver: the problem is that once the source is out there, anyone can redistribute it for free. and compile binaries, too |
| [08:44:22] | quicksilver: | xris: yes, of course :) |
| [08:44:32] | quicksilver: | xris: I don't think that's a "problem" myself, but you're dead right. |
| [08:44:39] | mchou: | xris: that's not a "problem" |
| [08:44:49] | Tanthrix: | Well then, that seems silly then to give companies that option then. |
| [08:44:54] | xris: | quicksilver: not a problem for me.. problem for companies trying to sell overpriced GPL software. |
| [08:45:06] | xris: | and a problem for juski who wants to prevent his works from being bundled with commercial products. |
| [08:45:29] | mchou: | that's why juski needs GPL v3 |
| [08:45:34] | juski: | no objection to my work being used in commercial products if I get renumeration :) |
| [08:46:45] | mchou: | xris: so how have these jokers responded? |
| [08:47:00] | juski: | incidentally, been offerred a chance to make a theme for tvease for money. still trying to work out a fee based on a reasonable hourly rate ;) |
| [08:47:17] | juski: | won't be $cheap that's fer sure |
| [08:47:23] | xris: | mchou: like I said. I've been working with them and the FSF for the last couple of months. |
| [08:47:33] | xris: | tonight I'm calling it "done" at least until I see their source code. |
| [08:47:47] | mchou: | "done" what's that mean? |
| [08:47:52] | xris: | juski: http://forevermore.net/rates.php |
| [08:48:06] | xris: | mchou: done meaning they're in complaince with the gpl as far as I can tell. |
| [08:48:27] | xris: | I should probably raise my rates... they're not actually that much higher than my day job now. |
| [08:49:43] | xris: | 2 AM. I should go to sleep |
| [08:49:49] | xris: | stupid espresso for dessert.. |
| [08:50:19] | mchou: | xris: make sure they put that same statement out in Japanese too |
| [08:50:48] | xris: | mchou: GPL is in english. statement in english is fine. |
| [08:50:55] | xris: | they're selling to japanese people in the US. |
| [08:51:17] | mchou: | dude, you're assume all japanese ppl in US can read english |
| [08:51:25] | mchou: | assuming* |
| [08:51:39] | xris: | no... I assume that anyone who cares about the GPL and getting GPL source code from watchjtv can read english. |
| [08:52:46] | xris: | and at the moment, I care more about getting all of this tv listings stuff worked out, and there's a big national holiday in my way... heh. |
| [08:53:10] | xris: | well, and figuring out when mythtv audio quality during playback/transcode got NASTY.... |
| [08:53:49] | mchou: | xris: and why would you assume that? Japanese devs (who cant read english) cant benefit from GPL? |
| [08:54:27] | juski: | xris: reasonable rates there :) |
| [08:55:07] | xris: | juski: I borrowed the rates and pricing breakdown from a consultant friend... |
| [08:55:33] | xris: | mchou: again.. it's good enough. |
| [08:56:22] | juski: | I was thinking no less than $40 an hour, but breaking down how long a theme takes to develop is difficult. In the projectgrayhem & blootube revamps recently that kissed goodbye to over 30 hours |
| [08:56:35] | xris: | yup |
| [08:56:57] | xris: | I usually provide an up front estimate price, and go over if things take longer than expected. |
| [08:57:00] | juski: | reckon 100 hours'd about cover a new theme, minus testing |
| [08:57:05] | xris: | if things take WAY longer, I may under-bill |
| [08:57:57] | xris: | heh. tvease is going to have to change their pricing scheme for the US in september, too. |
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| [08:58:25] | juski: | are they one of the outfits who zap2it were referring to I wonder? ;) |
| [08:58:42] | xris: | yeah, looks like it. |
| [08:58:50] | xris: | "comes fully set up" |
| [08:58:54] | juski: | might just turn around & say "ok, tell you what.. send me a couple of your boxes" |
| [08:58:56] | xris: | which likely means they're licensing data from zap2it. |
| [08:59:05] | xris: | and zap2it isn't cheap. |
| [08:59:17] | xris: | working for trade is often quite nice. |
| [08:59:47] | juski: | well think how much a tvguide is every week – it could conceivably cost that, per customer unit |
| [09:00:32] | xris: | oh, I know the costs... just can't actually say what they are (silly NDA) |
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| [09:01:07] | xris: | both zap2it (supposed low-volume licensing) and tribune (high volume licensing with more detailed data) charge an arm and a leg |
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| [09:03:28] | xris: | not sure how some of the smaller mythtv-based hardware providers are going to work out a deal, but supposedly zap2it says that they're working on acceptable solutions to most of them. |
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| [09:03:45] | dFG: | morning |
| [09:04:40] | juski: | so where does the kind of data mythtv needs fit into the 'more detailed data' model? what do they call 'detailed' ? |
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| [09:05:03] | xris: | honestly, I don't really know the details.. and couldn't say what they were even if I did know |
| [09:05:12] | juski: | heh fairy snuff |
| [09:05:29] | xris: | negotiations are kind of locked down at the moment and people are a bit edgy about what information i getting out and what isn't. |
| [09:05:32] | juski: | see in the UK it's alright if I were to sell a box that only used EIT data |
| [09:05:38] | xris: | yup |
| [09:06:00] | juski: | almost tempted to but for the stupidity of users ;) |
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| [09:06:05] | xris: | there's talk of setting up some kind of EIT grabber in each region of the US to get that data, too.. and then redistribute it to non-EIT users. |
| [09:07:24] | xris: | we should have a decent solution by the end of things, though.. and if our number predictions are correct, prices should drop considerably over time. |
| [09:07:56] | xris: | I'd personally like to see us host other countries' data, too... |
| [09:08:44] | xris: | and set up some kind of user-input system where users could add more detailed show information, comments, reviews, etc. |
| [09:08:59] | xris: | but that's long-term |
| [09:10:34] | juski: | maybe the much talked-about (by some) suggestions system – only have to be careful to make it hard to load with bogus data |
| [09:11:00] | xris: | yeah, that's the problem. |
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| [09:11:37] | xris: | users have also talked about liking the idea of sharing their viewing habits in exchange for data, or viewing ads... but with open source, it'd be so easy to fool a server. |
| [09:11:47] | xris: | packagers could do it and users wouldn't even know |
| [09:13:17] | mchou: | sigh, what a mess |
| [09:14:13] | wireddd: | I will just resort to html parsing if I have to pay anything or look at ads, if they want to swap for my viewing habits I would be willing to do that |
| [09:14:17] | juski: | time to move to locked-down binary blobs in propriatary hardware then! lol |
| [09:15:46] | mchou: | xris: at least zap2it finally (either directly or indirectly) revealed who the abusers were |
| [09:16:33] | mchou: | I don't see why everyone else has to pay for their indiscretion |
| [09:16:37] | Dibblah: | Oh, ho ho. The DVB card manufacturers just caught onto a new wheeze. |
| [09:16:48] | Dibblah: | "HD" versions of DVB tuners. |
| [09:17:02] | mchou: | Dibblah: huh?? |
| [09:17:04] | Dibblah: | No difference in hardware to the normal version. |
| [09:17:08] | juski: | £50 extra please! |
| [09:17:16] | Dibblah: | But they include mpeg4 codecs on the CD. |
| [09:17:20] | mchou: | lol |
| [09:17:33] | juski: | not fo linux I bets |
| [09:17:40] | xris: | mchou: they did? |
| [09:17:42] | mchou: | are they linux native codecs? :) |
| [09:17:44] | Dibblah: | Indeed. |
| [09:19:05] | mchou: | it's just amazing to me how companies prey on clueless ppl |
| [09:19:57] | mchou: | Dibblah: you sure these "HD" versions dont have a HW mpeg4 decoder on them? |
| [09:20:06] | Dibblah: | Very. |
| [09:20:25] | juski: | I can't think of any company who doesn't treat their customers with disdain |
| [09:20:34] | wireddd: | my isp sure does |
| [09:21:01] | mchou: | disdain isn't the same as "taking advantage" |
| [09:21:26] | Dibblah: | http://www.dvbshop.net/index.php/cat/c12_Satelco.html |
| [09:21:29] | mchou: | if you work in customer service, you might tream some customers with disdain :) |
| [09:21:40] | Dibblah: | This manufacturer is open about the difference. |
| [09:21:41] | mchou: | s/tream/treat |
| [09:22:16] | Dibblah: | http://www.dvbshop.net/index.php/cat/c16_Budget-PCI.html ;– Not so open. |
| [09:22:55] | wireddd: | so what are my options for getting guide data in the US via eit or something |
| [09:22:59] | mchou: | dvbshop charges 10 euros more for the one with codecs |
| [09:23:08] | juski: | Dibblah: why is a UK user looking at DVB-C cards? |
| [09:23:38] | mchou: | I dont think 10 euros is too excess for codecs..... |
| [09:23:41] | xris: | mchou: since when did zap2it reveal the abusers? |
| [09:24:10] | mchou: | xris: read what I wrote, the part about directly or indirectly |
| [09:24:33] | xris: | mchou: there's been nothing on either front that I know of. |
| [09:24:36] | Dibblah: | juski: No reason... |
| [09:24:43] | ** Dibblah whistles... ** | |
| [09:25:15] | wireddd: | I think they are just trying to funnel traffic to their website to increase its page views |
| [09:25:19] | mchou: | Dibblah: oh, wait a sec. |
| [09:25:35] | juski: | hey if Virgin get bought out maybe they'll change their minds about allowing users to use their own hardware :) |
| [09:25:43] | Dibblah: | Ha. Ha. Ha. |
| [09:25:47] | juski: | hell might also freeze over |
| [09:25:55] | xris: | wireddd: nah.. they're working with us to start a new low-cost listings service. |
| [09:26:29] | wireddd: | low cost to them or the users? |
| [09:26:31] | xris: | the death of "labs" has apparently been coming for awhile.. talked to a couple of business types who were talking with TMS about buying listings data and TMS apparently mentioned it to them |
| [09:26:38] | xris: | wireddd: both |
| [09:27:05] | juski: | don't panic! don't panic! |
| [09:27:16] | wireddd: | well I won't be buying... |
| [09:27:33] | mchou: | xris: that part should hardly come as a surprise |
| [09:27:33] | xris: | wireddd: that's your choice. we don't expect that everyone will. |
| [09:27:52] | Dibblah: | I would, if I needed to. |
| [09:27:56] | xris: | there are some zero-cost workarounds |
| [09:28:21] | xris: | the gb-pvr forums have a couple of new xmltv downloaders, but screen scraping has its downfalls. |
| [09:28:33] | Dibblah: | We're exceedingly lucky (at the moment) with uk_rt. |
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| [09:28:51] | xris: | and "web 2.0" stuff is going to make it harder and harder to get detailed data. |
| [09:29:06] | juski: | don't expect uk_rt to last forever either |
| [09:29:10] | wireddd: | I can always rip the guide data out of my lifetime tivo... |
| [09:29:13] | Dibblah: | Yes, I know. |
| [09:29:21] | juski: | but anyway the only TV worth watching is on Freeview anyway :) |
| [09:29:27] | juski: | heheheh |
| [09:29:35] | xris: | wireddd: people are doing that with sagetv.. buy the linux version once, use it to download listings, then use a parser to access the data. |
| [09:30:19] | wireddd: | not surprising |
| [09:30:24] | mchou: | xris: linux version of what? |
| [09:30:28] | xris: | mchou: sagetv |
| [09:31:07] | xris: | we'd love to be able to offer even super-basic free listings data, but unless some millionaire steps in to help cover the costs, there's not much we can do. |
| [09:31:31] | mchou: | Mark Cuban :) |
| [09:31:33] | juski: | looking fwd to giving out bad news to folks at LRL about HDTV in the UK :) |
| [09:31:36] | wireddd: | I might be wiling to pay if I can pay a small fee and have a lifetime subscription... |
| [09:32:07] | juski: | wireddd: you don't know what the 'small' free is yet. might be a dollar a year you dunno |
| [09:32:21] | xris: | wireddd: llifetime tivo subscription wasn't small. this wouldn't be, either. |
| [09:32:37] | wireddd: | well hopefully it won't be $330 |
| [09:32:41] | wireddd: | err $300 |
| [09:33:00] | xris: | and I doubt we'd offer lifetime subs. the group handling the money will be nonprofit, which means it wouldn't be able to hold money in the bank to earn interest to pay for future data. |
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| [09:33:57] | mchou: | seriously someone plead with Mark Cuban :) |
| [09:34:10] | wireddd: | has anyone asked google to offer this service? |
| [09:34:22] | xris: | wireddd: yes. |
| [09:34:30] | wireddd: | did they say no? |
| [09:34:51] | mchou: | not saying anything is a de facto no :) |
| [09:35:09] | Cry_wolf2: | Could someone plz say what you are talking about ? |
| [09:35:24] | mchou: | Cry_wolf2: do you live in US? |
| [09:35:24] | laga: | Cry_wolf2: see wiki.mythtv.org |
| [09:35:36] | Cry_wolf2: | mchou: No, sweden |
| [09:35:51] | mchou: | Cry_wolf2: then it doesnt really concern you |
| [09:36:07] | Cry_wolf2: | That´s what i thought...but anyway :=) |
| [09:36:11] | mchou: | Cry_wolf2: it's about tv listing source |
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| [09:36:47] | xris: | wireddd: can't give out any information (what little I have) until negotiations are finished. it'll probably be a few weeks. |
| [09:37:15] | wireddd: | ok good so they didn't say no |
| [09:38:01] | xris: | wireddd: google won't be providing tv listings data. their contract with their provider (presumably also TMS) doesn't allow it. |
| [09:38:28] | wireddd: | I really hope google buys tms |
| [09:38:41] | mchou: | tms has already been bought |
| [09:38:49] | wireddd: | by who? |
| [09:38:54] | xris: | tribune (the parent company of TMS) is probably at leas as big as google |
| [09:38:57] | mchou: | by some billionaire in Chicago |
| [09:39:10] | mchou: | forget his name atm |
| [09:39:38] | juski: | a proxy for me, just so I could piss off some yanks |
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| [09:39:49] | mchou: | juski: lol |
| [09:40:16] | mchou: | juski: that's why you hang out here and use myth :) |
| [09:40:22] | xris: | mchou: http://www.tribune.com/ — they own dozens of newspapers, tv stations, etc, etc. |
| [09:40:38] | juski: | you don't become a billionaire by spending all yer money :-P |
| [09:41:16] | mchou: | yeah, zell |
| [09:41:51] | wireddd: | google could buy tribune with their cash on hand... |
| [09:42:12] | xris: | wireddd: unlikely... tribune is a private corporation. |
| [09:42:17] | juski: | wireddd: I don't get how google buying them would be any better than some private guy |
| [09:42:34] | mchou: | wireddd: you dont understand. google does not want to be in the news business |
| [09:42:38] | laga: | juski: dude, it's google!!! (!!!!!!!!111eleven) |
| [09:43:17] | mchou: | wireddd: if they go into the news business, it would turn their business model upside down |
| [09:43:59] | juski: | laga yeah lol |
| [09:44:02] | mchou: | cause they can no longer claim to be a level playing field for all "information" |
| [09:44:03] | wireddd: | yeah, but perhaps they could aquire just tms |
| [09:44:28] | laga: | they can beta-aquire them! |
| [09:44:29] | xris: | wireddd: the public stock transaction alone for tribune going private is worth almost 4.3 billion. That doesn't count controlling stock interests, physical holdings, subsidiary holdings, etc,e tc |
| [09:44:31] | laga: | ffs. |
| [09:44:34] | juski: | I mean it's not as if Google play along with evil oppressive regimes or anything.. |
| [09:44:57] | mchou: | juski: where do you get that idea? :) |
| [09:45:15] | xris: | google is smart, they wouldn't go after TMS when they can just buy the data for less. |
| [09:45:30] | mchou: | yeah, exactly |
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| [09:45:39] | mchou: | google aint no charity |
| [09:46:01] | xris: | nope. and even their charitable arm is for-profit. heh. |
| [09:46:22] | mchou: | not that Mark Cuban is either, but at least he is more approachable than google |
| [09:48:12] | wireddd: | lol, my cable provider's listings page comes from zap2it |
| [09:48:42] | xris: | wireddd: not surprising. |
| [09:49:56] | xris: | couple of my local tv stations' listings come from titantv, which gets its data from TMS. |
| [09:50:12] | xris: | other stations (seems a lot of CW ones around the country) are owned by Tribune, too |
| [09:50:27] | mchou: | CW? |
| [09:50:33] | wireddd: | I guess going around to all of the various channels would be too much, and alot of them probably wouldn't be willing to provide the information |
| [09:50:49] | mchou: | wireddd: fogettaboutit |
| [09:50:50] | xris: | wireddd: I've asked a couple. most of them don't HAVE the info. |
| [09:51:00] | wireddd: | ?!!?! |
| [09:51:19] | xris: | they get it from their parent companies, who license it from tribune or companies who buy it from tribune. |
| [09:51:23] | wireddd: | they don't have their own upcoming lineup? |
| [09:51:24] | xris: | it's a really weird convoluted circle |
| [09:51:45] | xris: | some stations do, some don't. |
| [09:52:02] | mchou: | xris: what's CW? |
| [09:52:07] | xris: | when I asked one local station for a data feed, I got a hand-created xls file |
| [09:52:16] | xris: | mchou: CW is the new network formed when UPN and WB merged |
| [09:52:19] | wireddd: | nice |
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| [09:52:56] | xris: | wireddd: when I asked about the info in their EIT stream, I was told that the station's owners contracted out with some third party to insert it into the data stream.. and I'm pretty sure the third party gets it from TMS. |
| [09:53:27] | mchou: | or maybe Gemstar |
| [09:53:40] | xris: | mchou: unlikely. seems most get it from TMS. |
| [09:53:42] | wireddd: | that is just absurd |
| [09:53:56] | mchou: | those are the only two players as far as TV listings are concerned |
| [09:54:10] | xris: | TMS somehow gets some form of the data from the syndicate (individual local station), syndicate's parent company, the network (for network shows), and from some good old fashioned data entry from their own staff. |
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| [09:54:34] | xris: | mchou: there's apparently another one in canada, too.. gemstar doesn't do canada, and TMS licenses their canada data from someone else. |
| [09:54:48] | mchou: | I meant in US |
| [09:55:58] | wireddd: | you could probably make some kind of wiki like page for people to add the listings for named channels. and then you could just match that up with channel numbers locally |
| [09:55:58] | mchou: | anyone, no one wants to play with gemstar |
| [09:56:12] | xris: | wireddd: definitely absurd. it apparently gets even stranger, too... with TMS paying some stations for info, and charging others. |
| [09:56:25] | xris: | mchou: I don't think gemstar ever even wrote us back when we contacted them. |
| [09:56:39] | mchou: | I'm surprised ATI even licensed some Gemstar stuff |
| [09:57:04] | mchou: | xris: trust me, gemstar did us all a favor by not responding |
| [09:57:14] | xris: | wireddd: could. it's a LOT of work. I'd like to see something like that in the future, though... letting users rate shows, provide more detailed descriptions, etc. |
| [09:57:25] | wireddd: | yeah |
| [09:57:35] | xris: | mchou: could be. we need data for canada, anyway, so they couldn't have helped much. |
| [09:57:43] | mchou: | xris: consider ourselves lucky that the devil didnt return our call :) |
| [09:58:08] | mchou: | xris: very litigous |
| [09:59:30] | wireddd: | xris: I could put it together in php, but I would not be able to host it |
| [10:00:33] | xris: | wireddd: it'd a pretty big project. I do this kind of thing for a living (and have for over a decade) and it's daunting when looking at the actual numbers (user counts, credit card transactions, etc) |
| [10:00:57] | xris: | I'm sure I'll end up doing a large portion of the work for whatever happens. |
| [10:01:10] | mchou: | heh, kind of like running ebay? :) |
| [10:01:25] | wireddd: | nono, I was talking about cutting tms out all together |
| [10:02:13] | wireddd: | the only input for the listings would be from the users |
| [10:02:26] | wireddd: | so someone would have to type every thing in |
| [10:02:54] | xris: | wireddd: "someone" doesn't have access to some of the key bits like programid, hd broadcasts, cctv info, etc. |
| [10:03:02] | mchou: | I doubt that would be viable at all |
| [10:03:33] | xris: | you'd also have to guarantee that users would be around to edit the data, and organizing the community isn't that easy... |
| [10:03:45] | mchou: | exactly |
| [10:03:56] | juski: | I wouldn't bet money on the community getting off its fat ass |
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| [10:04:02] | wireddd: | it would be really fun to try though |
| [10:04:05] | xris: | esp. considering that a large chunk of the zap2it users are using free-as-in-beer projects like gb-pvr, and we have to support them, too |
| [10:04:27] | mchou: | wireddd: it aint about "fun", it's about reliable and accurate |
| [10:04:44] | xris: | heh. according to poll on zap2it forums, 94% of people would pay for data (that's about 1200 "yes" votes) |
| [10:05:14] | mchou: | that's nowhere near enough |
| [10:05:42] | mchou: | how many markets are the in the US alone? |
| [10:05:46] | xris: | it's only a tiny portion of the community. |
| [10:06:23] | xris: | crap. 3 AM. I need to sleep. |
| [10:06:23] | juski: | that's only people who could be bothered to join / post of course ;) |
| [10:06:27] | wireddd: | mchou: tons |
| [10:06:32] | siXy: | did it say how much they were prepared to pay? |
| [10:06:34] | xris: | juski: exactly |
| [10:06:48] | mchou: | I forget how many markets there are, but it wouldnt surprise me if that averages out to be 5 ppl /maket |
| [10:06:53] | mchou: | market* |
| [10:07:31] | siXy: | if they were paying $5 per month, thats $6000 before taxes etc. not too bad |
| [10:07:37] | xris: | siXy: People have suggested prices $2–10/month... the devs have real-world numbers in mind against what it would actually cost to buy the data, but can't share at the moment. |
| [10:07:43] | mchou: | which would be laughable |
| [10:08:22] | xris: | fyi, the "retail" cost for data from TMS is $12k/month + $0.03 per user... and that's just the US data. Canada is supposedly slightly more than that. |
| [10:08:35] | juski: | $10/mo is still cheaper than buying TVGUIDE & typing it all in yourself :-P |
| [10:09:15] | wireddd: | but more expensive than parsing a website |
| [10:09:25] | xris: | wireddd: assuming you can. |
| [10:09:34] | mchou: | bah, if I had to pay $10/mo I'd just get a tivo |
| [10:09:43] | mchou: | more cost effective |
| [10:09:44] | juski: | assuming the website layout doesn't change every other access :-P |
| [10:10:02] | xris: | mchou: most users have suggested that $5/month would be the highest reasonable cost |
| [10:10:25] | xris: | and most of us would love to see a much lower number. |
| [10:10:54] | mchou: | xris: I'm just pointing out there are more cost effective solutions out there :) |
| [10:11:12] | xris: | even as low as "free" for people to get super-basic info to at least be able to try out mythtv for a month or two to see if they like it more than tivo, etc. |
| [10:11:21] | xris: | mchou: there are. |
| [10:11:43] | mchou: | xris: even cableco only charges $10/mo for leasing pvr stb :) |
| [10:12:21] | wireddd: | yeah I can lease an hd pvr for $10/mo |
| [10:12:36] | mchou: | wireddd: exactly |
| [10:12:36] | xris: | but we're not even talking about actual end-user prices until we figure out how much the listings will cost us to begin with. |
| [10:12:36] | juski: | hell even if I *could* buy a media box that does what myth does I don't think I would now |
| [10:12:55] | xris: | there are also other considerations like donations from other companies/individuals |
| [10:13:01] | juski: | you're forgetting we're all in this for the mythical convergence not just TV |
| [10:13:08] | mchou: | xris: sure, but sometimes it helps to figure out cost both ways :) |
| [10:13:16] | mchou: | xris: as a sanity check |
| [10:13:34] | xris: | mchou: it does. but no sense planning your omelet before you even have a chicken to lay the eggs. |
| [10:13:53] | xris: | we have rough ideas. and the user community has offered theirs. |
| [10:13:59] | mchou: | juski: no, the only reason for myth (for me) is not "convergence", but commercial skip |
| [10:14:18] | xris: | mine's just to have a part in a cool open source project. :) |
| [10:14:23] | mchou: | in fact mythmusic UI is pretty bad |
| [10:14:30] | juski: | mchou: and from what I read recenly, tivo won't let you skip ads, just ffw them |
| [10:14:42] | xris: | juski: and show its own ads on top |
| [10:15:07] | mchou: | juski: yeah, but cableco pvr stb doesnt have that limitation |
| [10:15:10] | wireddd: | I only use myth for recording/watching live tv. I use xbmc for everything else |
| [10:15:24] | juski: | $ly have patented that apparently – showing ads while you skip ads |
| [10:15:28] | siXy: | mchou: yes. it is. i would be fantastically happy if someone had the time to improve it, but sadly i dont right now :( |
| [10:15:32] | juski: | wish I'd thought of that now |
| [10:16:05] | juski: | I wish to hell users would stop whining so much & just code! mythmusic is getting some love – but ffs be patient |
| [10:16:20] | xris: | another hope (from me, anyway) is that people paying for listings would create a $$ pool that could be used to pay devs to improve mythtv (and other related projects) |
| [10:17:43] | wireddd: | I know xbmc was working on porting to linux, perhaps mythtv frontend could be incorporated into whatever xbmc comes up with |
| [10:18:14] | juski: | so anyway to make mythmusic non-sucky what would you base it on? how would it look? |
| [10:18:16] | xris: | wireddd: qt4 will supposedly make it a lot easier to get mythfrontend in windows, even |
| [10:18:27] | xris: | juski: appletv. :) |
| [10:18:38] | juski: | wireddd: xbmc is as good as done already. they've got most bar dvd playback worky AFAIK |
| [10:19:09] | juski: | and remember mythmusic & everything else has to work well WITHOUT a mouse too |
| [10:19:23] | wireddd: | that is why xbmc would be perfect |
| [10:19:38] | juski: | I'd have tried xbmc already if it didn't depend on gcc 4.1 |
| [10:19:49] | wireddd: | because it was designed to be used without a mouse |
| [10:20:02] | juski: | xbmc's music interface is pretty sucky too though |
| [10:20:13] | juski: | and the video interface |
| [10:20:14] | wireddd: | no it isn't |
| [10:20:18] | juski: | yes it is |
| [10:20:24] | juski: | playlisting is a BITCH |
| [10:20:47] | juski: | ok so it can play m3u files natively but try making your own from the xbmc UI |
| [10:21:00] | xris: | anyway, time for me to sleep. WAY past bedtime. |
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| [10:21:34] | wireddd: | juski: you can do it |
| [10:21:51] | juski: | eh? |
| [10:22:05] | juski: | you can, but it's almost as big a PITA as mythmusic is |
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| [10:24:29] | wireddd: | have you tried xbmc? |
| [10:24:54] | juski: | course I have |
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| [10:25:13] | juski: | for large collections it has as many disadvantages as mythmusic does |
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| [10:28:55] | siXy: | imo only apple tv and windows vista-mce really have music playack sorted, and even they arent great if you have lots of random songs, they work better if you have music mainly in album form |
| [10:29:26] | juski: | can't say I've seen much of either |
| [10:29:37] | juski: | I DO like the album art browsing of appletv though |
| [10:29:50] | juski: | and that is coming to mythmusic :) |
| [10:30:08] | wireddd: | does it do it iphone style or something? |
| [10:30:20] | juski: | iphone? WTF is iphone? |
| [10:30:48] | wireddd: | I have never used an appletv... |
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| [10:31:06] | juski: | go into any apple store for a demo :) |
| [10:31:14] | juski: | it's like an ipod works |
| [10:31:28] | juski: | love that UI.. so intuitive |
| [10:31:45] | siXy: | " <juski> and that is coming to mythmusic :)" — there is light at the end of the tunnel!!! |
| [10:31:49] | juski: | and animated :) |
| [10:32:02] | ** siXy celebrates ** | |
| [10:32:21] | juski: | yeah the plan is to _eventually_ bring album browsing |
| [10:33:29] | juski: | playlist management is gonna get a kick in the ass before that |
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| [10:34:08] | wireddd: | well all of my music is already organized exactly how I want to see it anyway(list of albums). so it doesn't really matter what I used to browse through it |
| [10:35:34] | juski: | I have a load more singles than albums, so my collection is a nightmare |
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| [10:38:14] | siXy: | yeah singles-heavy collections tax even highend solutions such as sooloos – there doesnt seem to be an elegant way of browsing large singles collections around atm |
| [10:38:42] | juski: | queue em all up & just skip til I find something I like the intro of |
| [10:39:10] | siXy: | heh :) |
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| [10:41:52] | juski: | anybody'd think I just listen to radiohead on repeat all day the mood I'm in :-P |
| [10:44:17] | wireddd: | I don't have any singles |
| [10:44:25] | wireddd: | all albums |
| [10:44:42] | wireddd: | all properly tagged as well |
| [10:46:10] | Dibblah: | radiohead? I was more assuming NiN... |
| [10:46:25] | siXy: | ...megadeath |
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| [10:48:27] | wireddd: | once you have everything properly tagged it is so much easier to manage |
| [10:50:33] | juski: | nah depressing shite like Dido, Radiohead, Travis.. guaranteed to put me in a super-pissed off mood |
| [10:50:58] | juski: | and it's the tagging that gets me. you can't rely on cddb to have the right info |
| [10:51:57] | juski: | mixed formats, artist/title or title/artist or Forename/surname vs surname/forename .. blech |
| [10:52:20] | juski: | stuff like "Arctic Monkeys, The" pisses me off too |
| [10:52:46] | juski: | only way to get the data in a form you're guaranteed to agree with is to do it yerself :D |
| [10:55:56] | wireddd: | juski: that is what I did :) |
| [10:57:36] | juski: | I started doing that a while back. got bored & made another 3 themes instead |
| [10:57:36] | wireddd: | it was a real pain when I bit the bullet and redid my collection, but since then when I add things, it is not to bad |
| [11:02:13] | juski: | def. not bad for me since I've not bought any music this year |
| [11:02:28] | wireddd: | I haven't either |
| [11:02:58] | wireddd: | there does not seem to be anything new that interests me |
| [11:07:53] | juski: | oh FFS. Catherine Tate to be in more Dr Who episodes. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| [11:10:24] | siXy: | i gave up on Dr. Who since the writers became utterly enslaved by the BBC's political agenda |
| [11:11:29] | juski: | I've heard some gash talked about Dr Who but that takes the biccies.. what?! |
| [11:12:11] | juski: | you mean since the big gay fat man had the monopoly on the Dr Who typewriter? |
| [11:12:21] | jduggan: | i never got into dr who |
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| [11:12:35] | juski: | he from the planet Notalent |
| [11:14:42] | siXy: | heh :D |
| [11:16:00] | juski: | Russell T Davies.. hasn't penned a single rivetting episode – a pity though cos I liked Queer As Folk |
| [11:16:57] | siXy: | same problem with robin hood – would have been a good show if they hadnt insisted on pushing polictal agendas on a show supposedly set in 12th cent. britian |
| [11:17:19] | juski: | but WHAT political agendas? |
| [11:18:37] | siXy: | black nuns in 12th cent britain is one that springs to mind |
| [11:18:49] | juski: | you're priceless, you know that? |
| [11:18:58] | juski: | sounds like latent racism to me |
| [11:18:59] | siXy: | i mean COME ON! if there were any african people in britain at that time they would not have been nunsffs |
| [11:19:32] | juski: | yes but you can't let little things like FACTS get in the way of political correctness & job quotas |
| [11:19:37] | siXy: | probably does. but thats not how its intended |
| [11:19:57] | siXy: | yeah thats what i mean :S |
| [11:19:59] | jvs is now known as mergus | |
| [11:20:07] | juski: | ITV are the same |
| [11:20:14] | mergus is now known as arti | |
| [11:20:53] | arti is now known as vjs | |
| [11:20:56] | vjs is now known as jvs | |
| [11:21:27] | siXy: | not noticed it with ITV – but then i watch less and less tv nowadays |
| [11:21:30] | juski: | anyway I've been a victim of positive discrimination too – when I left college & was applying for trainee positions at the bbc – always go turned down.. "no vacancies, cutbacks, recession yada yada yada".. looked for more jobs on Teletext & oh wow.. all those trainee spots! Ah.. "only available to those in ethnic minorities".. |
| [11:22:02] | juski: | call me simple-minded but I want EQUALITY for all, not special treatment |
| [11:22:11] | juski: | anyway.. </rant> |
| [11:24:20] | siXy: | yeah positive discrimination is a symptom of a world gone mad imo |
| [11:29:29] | Merlin83b2: | Don't be silly, you can't go around having people get jobs based on merit. |
| [11:31:18] | siXy: | hehe :) |
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| [11:45:12] | juski: | I sometimes think all the PC mumbo-jumbo is intended to cause racial tensions rather than placate them |
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| [11:52:46] | juski: | hey scan.co.uk have pvr150 cards on for £36.41 today.. the OEM version sans remote |
| [11:53:25] | juski: | dvb-t usb stick for under £20 too |
| [11:53:38] | juski: | nova-t USB £17 ish |
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| [12:05:05] | k-man: | anyone had a problem with myth back end failing to respond to a frontend? |
| [12:05:20] | k-man: | and in fact sort of hanging? so it no longer records programs properly? |
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| [12:07:27] | cafuego: | I just turned on my mythtv frontend and it's telling me there are no recordings. It connects to the db fine, the recorded table is intact, and the avi files exist. |
| [12:08:05] | cafuego: | Known issue? I did recently migrate the DB to a new host, but it has worked fine since I did that. (like the day before yestedray) |
| [12:09:20] | siXy: | k-man: yeah mine does that. i wrote a process to restart the backend when that happens |
| [12:09:37] | k-man: | siXy, how do you check for it? |
| [12:09:48] | k-man: | siXy, can you show me your script please? |
| [12:10:26] | siXy: | http://rafb.net/p/CDuyPq99.html |
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| [12:14:26] | k-man: | siXy, yeah, that checks to see if its still running right? |
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| [12:16:17] | siXy: | yep and starts it if it isnt |
| [12:16:25] | siXy: | every 5 seconds |
| [12:19:53] | k-man: | siXy, i use this... http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/svstat.html |
| [12:20:06] | k-man: | but maybe thats the problem, it starts it too quickly after it dies |
| [12:20:09] | k-man: | maybe |
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| [12:23:18] | siXy: | k-man, so change sleep 5 to sleep 10 or something :) |
| [12:23:42] | k-man: | siXy, yeah, i just did that |
| [12:23:50] | k-man: | i'll see if that solves the problem |
| [12:37:16] | juski: | avi files, as recordings? wow that'd be clever! |
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| [12:40:50] | k-man: | has marillat built .debs of .20.1? |
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| [12:42:51] | juski: | 0.20.1 doesn't exist |
| [12:43:07] | k-man: | oh? |
| [12:43:23] | juski: | .:. Latest stable release: 0.20 NOT 0.2 .:. |
| [12:43:36] | k-man: | this site says it does: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.20.1 |
| [12:43:59] | juski: | ah yes but there's also a http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.21 IIRC |
| [12:44:14] | juski: | and 0.21 doesn't officially exist either |
| [12:44:42] | k-man: | juski, but the top of that page says "....formally released as MythTV 0.20.1 on Saturday, April 28, 2007" |
| [12:45:03] | k-man: | or should I try the bleeding edge of mythtv? |
| [12:45:08] | k-man: | is it stable enough to try? |
| [12:45:19] | juski: | so why isn't the main mythtv page saying that? or the topic here? |
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| [12:45:28] | k-man: | juski, good question... |
| [12:45:44] | k-man: | juski, i believe you... but you can see how I might have been lead astray |
| [12:45:50] | juski: | just build whatever version yourself |
| [12:45:55] | juski: | hardly rocket science |
| [12:46:00] | k-man: | yeah |
| [12:46:03] | k-man: | i might do taht |
| [12:46:04] | k-man: | anyway |
| [12:46:05] | k-man: | gtg |
| [12:46:07] | k-man: | thanks bye |
| [12:46:08] | juski: | SVN trunk is stable, but YMMV |
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| [12:51:20] | laga: | blergit's quit message is rather disturbing |
| [12:54:07] | juski: | yup |
| [12:54:17] | juski: | /ignore blergit |
| [12:54:54] | blergit: | lol@u |
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| [13:10:41] | chandoo: | Hi :) i had one ignorant question, How do i connect television and my computer screen at same time and browse different things on different screens |
| [13:11:18] | chandoo: | I have two pci-E cards, now i am using in sli mode in fc7 |
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| [14:00:29] | juski: | sli mode? lol no need for that! |
| [14:01:00] | juski: | you can run 2 X servers – one for each card |
| [14:01:25] | Eclipsor_: | actually, can I do that for one card using nvidias drivers? |
| [14:01:41] | juski: | yes with twinview etc |
| [14:01:42] | Eclipsor_: | I've heard, but I'm not sure, that you can only have one display per chip? |
| [14:01:45] | Eclipsor_: | ok |
| [14:02:22] | laga: | nvidia can only do one X server per card. |
| [14:02:47] | laga: | however, you can run two screens on one card but you'll run into focus issues when you're working on both monitors |
| [14:02:50] | Eclipsor_: | right, so that doesnt mean screen |
| [14:02:58] | laga: | at least that's what happened to me. |
| [14:03:01] | Eclipsor_: | what sort of focus sisues? |
| [14:03:03] | Eclipsor_: | issues* |
| [14:03:26] | juski: | apps thinking they're on top when they're not etc |
| [14:03:27] | laga: | Eclipsor_: pop-ups not working in mythtv, for example. you'd have to move the mouse back to that screen |
| [14:03:40] | Eclipsor_: | :\ |
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| [14:12:05] | Ruleke: | welcome back juski ;) |
| [14:12:54] | juski: | ? |
| [14:14:04] | Ruleke: | your mistake was 'coming back' yesterday |
| [14:14:47] | juski: | came back sooner than that |
| [14:14:51] | juski: | still wish I could quit |
| [14:15:05] | juski: | it's easier to give up smoking than it is to pack in IRC |
| [14:15:22] | laga: | heh |
| [14:15:34] | laga: | juski: i'm now learning perl to write my grabber. it's fun... sometimes. |
| [14:15:43] | juski: | somebody should kickban my ass |
| [14:15:53] | juski: | do me a fkin favour |
| [14:16:10] | Ruleke: | heh I only just joined, so that's why I only said it now :P |
| [14:16:21] | Ruleke: | laga: I did it in python |
| [14:16:31] | laga: | Ruleke: too late :P |
| [14:16:45] | laga: | Ruleke: i want to use the XMLTV libs |
| [14:16:58] | laga: | but it looks like they won't save me that much work :( |
| [14:16:59] | Ruleke: | :) |
| [14:18:07] | juski: | maybe somebody could kickban me from here as a birthday present later in the month |
| [14:18:22] | Ruleke: | hehe |
| [14:20:26] | laga: | does mythtv support xmltv's apiconfig? |
| [14:21:28] | juski: | not yet |
| [14:21:33] | laga: | phew |
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| [15:12:07] | rubberduck13415: | Does anyone know if its possible to use the sony capture card which comes with there media center pcs |
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| [15:13:50] | Como|Lappy: | chances are yes, if its a real pos its just a framegrabber, which are evil |
| [15:15:47] | rubberduck13415: | all i know is that it has an mpeg II encoder chip onboard |
| [15:16:01] | rubberduck13415: | however it doesn't work with any of the supplied drivers |
| [15:16:11] | laga: | run lspci and throw that at google |
| [15:16:31] | rubberduck13415: | k thanks |
| [15:17:49] | laga: | rubberduck13415: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Supported_hardware |
| [15:17:51] | laga: | scroll down |
| [15:17:56] | laga: | maybe that applies to you |
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| [15:18:05] | laga: | (scroll all the way to the bottom of the page) |
| [15:18:59] | rubberduck13415: | that could be it |
| [15:19:10] | rubberduck13415: | i guess i could be out of luck |
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| [15:59:40] | juski: | some of those sony tuner cards are supported by ivtv IIRC, and for any card to claim to work with MCE it must either have mpeg2 encoding onboard or else deliver mpeg streams directly onto the PCI bus (e.g. DVB/HDTV tuners) |
| [16:01:16] | jams: | while not supporting framegrabbers may seem like a limitation, it really make sense |
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| [16:01:39] | juski: | I couldn't agree more jams :) |
| [16:02:11] | juski: | a lot of other media apps don't support framegrabbers either – and good for them! |
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| [16:07:06] | juski: | riiight. got dhcp worky on the demo system, arranged media shares for the whole subnet, opened mysql to the subnet... |
| [16:07:20] | juski: | ah. need to run mythbackend on the real IP address! |
| [16:08:17] | juski: | can't be much left to do after that |
| [16:08:34] | laga: | add new users to mysql? |
| [16:09:30] | juski: | shouldn't need to. allowing 'mythtv' to connect & use mythconverg from the whole subnet too |
| [16:10:50] | juski: | and no need to change mythbackend to run on the real IP address because I'd already done it |
| [16:11:27] | juski: | in any case, can't be much that needs to be done that can't be accomplished by 3 devs on site :) |
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| [16:15:16] | DarkHelmut: | I've got a problem with my mythtv setup that I'm hoping someone here can help with |
| [16:15:51] | DarkHelmut: | I recently moved from a single mythtv machine, to one mythbackend machine with the recording devices and 2 mythfrontends connected to my TVs |
| [16:16:23] | DarkHelmut: | I can watch anything I've recorded since the switch just fine, |
| [16:16:46] | DarkHelmut: | but when I try and watch any of my older recordings, the screen blanks for a second and then returns to the recording selection menu |
| [16:16:50] | juski: | and the backend is no longer running on 127.0.0.1 ? and the 'mythtv' mysql user is allowed to connect from any machine on your network? And the hostnames of all the machines are different? |
| [16:17:24] | DarkHelmut: | yes on all 3 counts |
| [16:17:27] | juski: | you should look in the output of mythfrontend – that'll no doubt provide you with valuable clues |
| [16:17:37] | DarkHelmut: | I was just about to post that |
| [16:18:01] | DarkHelmut: | like I said, on new recordings, it works find, but on older recordings I get: |
| [16:18:01] | DarkHelmut: | 2007-07–04 10:58:44.907 RemoteFile::openSocket(file data socket): |
| [16:18:01] | DarkHelmut: | Could not connect to server "127.0.0.1" @ port 6543 |
| [16:18:01] | DarkHelmut: | 2007-07–04 10:58:44.907 RingBuffer::RingBuffer(): Failed to open remote file (myth://127.0.0.1:6543/1061_20070131210000.mpg) |
| [16:18:01] | DarkHelmut: | [mpeg @ 0xb74ecb20]Par |
| [16:18:48] | DarkHelmut: | so there's something associating the older recordings with 127.0.0.1, instead of the actual backend at 182.168.0.156 |
| [16:19:02] | DarkHelmut: | errr, 192.168.0.156 |
| [16:20:13] | DarkHelmut: | I poked around in mythconverg for a little bit, but didn't see anything obvious in the 'recorded' table. |
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| [16:20:29] | juski: | you should use a pastebin for more than 3 lines really |
| [16:21:07] | juski: | has the hostname of the backend changed? |
| [16:21:07] | DarkHelmut: | sorry |
| [16:22:13] | DarkHelmut: | It was just 'mythtv' when I was on the single computer setup, but when I moved to the 3 machine setup I named the backend 'mythserver' |
| [16:22:22] | juski: | bingo |
| [16:22:50] | juski: | there's a wiki entry which tells you how to change the backend's hostname & the implications that involved |
| [16:24:09] | DarkHelmut: | ahhhh, ok, and doing a 'select * FROM recorded' I see that there is a field named 'hostname' with some being mythserver and some being mythtv |
| [16:24:15] | DarkHelmut: | so if I fix that I should be good |
| [16:24:34] | DarkHelmut: | thanks alot! Now my wife can watch her old Good Eats episodes :-) |
| [16:26:14] | juski: | DarkHelmut: I was wrong, it's not in the wiki. it's here: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc23.15 |
| [16:27:02] | juski: | ugh! that seems a bit of a messy way to do the job, dumping the db to a text file then using sed to replace the old hostname entries! |
| [16:28:35] | juski: | surely be much better to do something likemysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg -e "update recorded set hostname='$newhostname' where hostname='$oldhostname';" |
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| [16:29:06] | juski: | anyhow DarkHelmut, before you do any of that, back up your database! |
| [16:29:14] | jams: | juski- you would need todo that on multiple tables |
| [16:29:24] | juski: | not just 'recorded' ? ah |
| [16:29:27] | jams: | the sed approach gets them all at once. |
| [16:29:36] | jams: | yeah keybindings and settings |
| [16:29:41] | jams: | maybe one other |
| [16:30:14] | jams: | the sed approach makes the documentation future proof ! |
| [16:30:19] | juski: | lol |
| [16:30:56] | DarkHelmut: | jams: unless of course you named the old box 'mythtv' way back when :-) |
| [16:31:12] | juski: | maybe since DarkHelmut's older recordings seem to be the only casualty, only doing updates to the 'recorded' table would be better |
| [16:31:28] | Tommck: | This is a shot in the dark, but: Does anyone in here run an HDTV front-end on a fanless CPU? (or know someone who does?) |
| [16:32:08] | juski: | anyway DarkHelmut you know what's causing the problem now so you can fix it however you see fit ;) |
| [16:32:18] | DarkHelmut: | juski: which is exactly what I did. I did an 'UPDATE recorded SET hostname='mythserver' WHERE hostname='mythtv'', restarted the backend and frontends, and now everything is working fine |
| [16:32:24] | DarkHelmut: | thanks :-) |
| [16:32:27] | juski: | np :) |
| [16:32:48] | juski: | sure makes a change from all the 'user#101' problems I see here :) |
| [16:33:56] | jams: | i could see how sed with "mythtv" might cause a problem |
| [16:34:51] | juski: | omg.. was there a change to the filetypes dialog in video-ui.xml I've missed somewhere along the line? not seeing spinboxes or anything obvious |
| [16:35:47] | juski: | I'll upload a screenshot.. tic |
| [16:36:13] | juski: | www.juski.co.uk/ugh.jpg |
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| [16:37:28] | juski: | nah blue looks the same.. stuff missing |
| [16:37:49] | juski: | sure there used to be spinboxes & things on that screen |
| [16:39:29] | ** jams takes a look ** | |
| [16:39:29] | juski: | makes it v. difficult to use, not having any cues to show you where you're at |
| [16:40:07] | jams: | that doesn't look right |
| [16:40:18] | jams: | isn't that the blue theme? |
| [16:40:24] | juski: | no that's blootube |
| [16:40:37] | juski: | I switched to blue to check it wasn't my theme |
| [16:40:45] | juski: | looking at my -fixes box to see how that acts now |
| [16:41:29] | jams: | waiting on vmware to boot |
| [16:41:34] | juski: | yeah it's def. missing stuff |
| [16:41:43] | juski: | looks like shared images are missing somehow |
| [16:42:28] | jams: | yep |
| [16:42:34] | jams: | svn from a few weeks ago looks fine |
| [16:42:41] | juski: | aye none of the mv_* images are there on this box :-\ |
| [16:42:44] | juski: | wtf? |
| [16:46:06] | juski: | they've not been installed into /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default somehow |
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| [16:48:19] | jams: | sometimes i have seen a make install throw stuff into / |
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| [16:50:42] | juski: | just done a quick & dirt svn export of the themes dir |
| [16:51:44] | juski: | nope. no use. they're not in the svn checkout |
| [16:52:10] | juski: | what a mess! |
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| [16:57:51] | juski: | really looking fwd to seeing the Neuros OSD device at LRL :) |
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| [17:11:26] | jduggan: | juski: you at lrl both days? |
| [17:13:26] | synic: | in the program guide, is there a way to just start watching a channel instead of having it bring up the recording dialog? |
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| [17:16:26] | jduggan: | synic: yah there's an option, but dont ask me where it is :P |
| [17:16:40] | jduggan: | synic: do what most ppl do and figure it out :) |
| [17:16:50] | jduggan: | i say most, i guess thats not true |
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| [17:20:45] | juski: | jduggan: yeah |
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| [17:20:55] | juski: | arrive friday afternoon, leave sunday evening |
| [17:21:42] | jduggan: | ah |
| [17:21:58] | jduggan: | i dont think i can make sunday, certainly be there saturday though |
| [17:22:09] | jduggan: | i hear alan cox is a maybe |
| [17:22:17] | JoeyJoeJo: | where is the mytharchive log stored? I can't find it anywhere. |
| [17:22:28] | juski: | synic: utils/setup > setup > tv settings > program guide > page 2 |
| [17:22:47] | juski: | 'Use select to change the channel in the program guide' |
| [17:22:57] | juski: | jduggan: who is alan cox? |
| [17:23:14] | jduggan: | juski: core kernel developer |
| [17:23:14] | juski: | ah |
| [17:23:23] | jduggan: | some would say 2nd in command |
| [17:23:34] | jduggan: | to linus himself |
| [17:23:54] | juski: | you shoulda seen me when I heard that Ted Haeger's partner in crime was gonna be there doing a BOF session about mythtv |
| [17:24:04] | laga: | looks like he's got a beard and long hair. wow |
| [17:24:41] | juski: | 'ways to improve the project' indeed. I was apopleptic! |
| [17:28:55] | ** Dr_willis looks up apopleptic on dictionary.com ** | |
| [17:29:29] | juski: | heheh typo |
| [17:29:47] | juski: | apoplectic was what I meant |
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| [17:30:20] | ** Dr_willis looks up that also. :) ** | |
| [17:30:22] | Dr_willis: | heh heh.. |
| [17:30:34] | Dr_willis: | Alpaca-Electric! |
| [17:30:36] | Dr_willis: | :) |
| [17:30:36] | juski: | oh ffs now the listings debate is spilling onto the -dev list :( |
| [17:30:53] | Dr_willis: | Im glad im just a user. |
| [17:31:05] | juski: | so are we |
| [17:31:06] | juski: | :-P |
| [17:34:01] | JoeyJoeJo: | where is the mytharchive log stored? I can't find it anywhere. |
| [17:36:18] | juski: | where is your mytharchive temp dir? ;) |
| [17:37:04] | JoeyJoeJo: | man, I totally forgot about that dir.. thanks! |
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| [17:43:31] | do_kev: | hey guys.. any thoughts on this error message?: "VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed" |
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| [17:48:38] | Dave123: | how does one fix "Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!" messages i get in the mythfrontend logs? |
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| [17:51:36] | synic: | juski: thanks |
| [17:52:07] | synic: | one more question... How do I get mythtv to use the channel callsigns instead of "Adding Channel 2"? |
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| [17:59:30] | xris: | synic: what country? |
| [18:00:26] | synic: | heh, nevermind. It looks like I had to use "Fetch channels from source" before performing a channel scan |
| [18:04:25] | xris: | synic: still curious. |
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| [18:06:34] | synic: | oh, US. |
| [18:08:04] | xris: | you shouldn't need to do a channel scan |
| [18:08:15] | synic: | k |
| [18:08:25] | xris: | well, might for over-the-air HD... |
| [18:08:35] | xris: | but you should still sign up at labs.zap2it.com and get your tv listings. |
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| [18:09:16] | synic: | yeah, I got that. It's just the "channel scan" is to the left of "fetch from source", so I figured I should do it first |
| [18:09:33] | synic: | then "fetch from source" did nothing. I had to delete all channels and do it again |
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| [18:10:04] | xris: | nah. you only need channel scan if you're trying to bypass zap2it. |
| [18:10:12] | synic: | k |
| [18:10:14] | xris: | synic: did you create your listings at zap2it? |
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| [18:10:37] | xris: | in mythtv-setup, you should be able to type in your login info, and then pick the lineup that you created at zap2it. |
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| [18:24:00] | synic: | hrmm, now that I've used zap2it, all the listings are completely wrong |
| [18:24:13] | synic: | they seemed to be correct before |
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| [18:35:08] | rubberduck13415: | does anyone have expirence with sony capture card.. its conexant CX23416 based tho it doesn't load |
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| [18:38:14] | Chicory: | Are there any cards that don't require any particularly fancy ALSA configration to work? |
| [18:38:51] | Chicory: | For that matter, considering that my ATI AIW 2006 PCIe card is apparently a piece of crap out a Windows environment, what card should I replace it with? |
| [18:38:58] | briand: | a 4-port USB card does not require an ALSA configuration at all... |
| [18:38:59] | briand: | ;) |
| [18:39:12] | briand: | nVidia |
| [18:39:23] | briand: | FX5200 is fine for MythTV (SD or HD) |
| [18:39:49] | Chicory: | Any newer ones coming through the pipeline soon? |
| [18:40:17] | briand: | well, i'm sure there are.. but if a $30 card will do the job, why would you want to spend $250? |
| [18:40:24] | ** Chicory got stuck with an Athlon 64 3700+, isn't gonna get stuck like that again. XD ** | |
| [18:40:44] | Chicory: | briand: True. |
| [18:41:42] | Chicory: | Hmm ... |
| [18:41:51] | briand: | I've got an FX5200 in my 8x AGP slot... has VGA,SVIDEO,and DVI outputs, no fans (quieter), runs standard def and HD without breaking a sweat. |
| [18:42:00] | briand: | it cost me $28 from newegg |
| [18:42:05] | Chicory: | Ah, anything in the way of PCIe cards in the same vein? |
| [18:43:15] | Chicory: | Because, uh, apparently Gigabyte neglected to put AGP slots in this particular motherboard. |
| [18:44:05] | Chicory: | KGN-Pro-SLI does quite a bit for me, but it doesn't have AGP. ._. |
| [18:44:11] | Chicory: | *K8N, that is |
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| [18:46:45] | Chicory: | briand: Uh, you say that it's an AGP card? The site claims it's "PCIe certified" |
| [18:47:20] | Eclipsor_: | not the 5200 |
| [18:47:32] | Eclipsor_: | I dont think they introduced pcie until the next generation |
| [18:47:39] | Chicory: | Uh ... http://www.nvidia.com/page/fx_5200.html |
| [18:47:43] | Chicory: | Check out the left nav bar. |
| [18:47:56] | Chicory: | I guess it's lazy web design at work. |
| [18:48:03] | Eclipsor_: | right |
| [18:48:05] | Eclipsor_: | thats not about the product |
| [18:48:20] | Eclipsor_: | thats just a general "Click here to see what pcie crap we have" |
| [18:48:27] | Chicory: | It's about their "featured technologies". |
| [18:48:41] | Chicory: | XD |
| [18:48:41] | Eclipsor_: | yeah, nvidias featured technologies, not the 5200s |
| [18:48:52] | Chicory: | Oh, nVidia cracks me up. |
| [18:49:47] | Chicory: | But man, that means that my parents' piece of crap Compaq is more likely to get me a decent card than this one I cobbled together myself. |
| [18:49:56] | Eclipsor_: | =] |
| [18:50:11] | Eclipsor_: | I wish streaming worked in opera |
| [18:50:12] | Eclipsor_: | :\ |
| [18:50:21] | Chicory: | It doesn't? |
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| [18:51:04] | Eclipsor_: | not for me at least |
| [18:51:13] | Eclipsor_: | oh well |
| [18:51:17] | Eclipsor_: | save that for some other day |
| [18:51:52] | Chicory: | Oh, crap. |
| [18:52:12] | Chicory: | "Built-in Macrovision copy protection". >:E |
| [18:52:21] | ** Chicory had a run-in with those a few years ago ... ** | |
| [18:52:23] | Eclipsor_: | hah wow, is doom 3 that old |
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| [18:56:30] | Chicory: | ... I realize it's possibly overpriced stuff, but LOOK AT THESE SPECS. |
| [18:56:32] | Chicory: | http://www.nvidia.com/page/nforce_600a.html |
| [18:57:04] | Chicory: | 12 SATA 3gbs drives? O_O |
| [18:57:09] | Chicory: | TWELVE?! |
| [18:57:56] | chairman: | Hi, I have a problem. I have mythbackend and mythfrontend on same machine (one dvb card) and it says that I'm using all available inputs when I try to see live tv. The problem is that i'm not recording anything and no other frontends is connected |
| [18:58:09] | chairman: | I have even tried to reboot the machine |
| [18:58:18] | ** hensema 's got a 3ware sata raid controller w/ 8 channels and 256 mb ram ** | |
| [18:58:20] | xris: | chairman: make sure that the dvb card is still defined. |
| [18:58:23] | hensema: | works like a charm :) |
| [18:58:29] | hensema: | (not for mythtv though) |
| [18:58:32] | Chicory: | ... |
| [18:58:40] | xris: | take a look at the backend status (either http port 6543, or in the frontend) |
| [18:58:58] | Chicory: | I really need to get a new motherboard, processor, and a few new 7200 RPM hard drives some day. |
| [18:59:13] | Eclipsor_: | I just got a whole new rig this past month :D |
| [18:59:32] | ** Chicory is eying a quad- or eight-core processing rig. ** | |
| [18:59:39] | Eclipsor_: | hah |
| [18:59:40] | chairman: | anyone from norway or sweden here? That has tested SVT HD or VOOM HD? |
| [18:59:47] | xris: | Chicory: for what? |
| [19:00:07] | Chicory: | Well, by the time I have the money to AFFORD a new rig they'll be almost standard. XD |
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| [19:00:24] | xris: | heh |
| [19:00:28] | xris: | ok, good enough point. :) |
| [19:00:49] | Chicory: | chairman: I dunno, that error seems strange. |
| [19:01:03] | Chicory: | Maybe your backend isn't set up properly for its port configuration? |
| [19:01:08] | ** Chicory is shooting in the dark. ** | |
| [19:01:27] | binks_: | ive install mythdora can i ask help here as the backend scan chans ok but the front cant get a lock |
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| [19:01:42] | chairman: | Chicory: it has worked nicely for a while now |
| [19:01:49] | Chicory: | Hmm ... |
| [19:01:55] | ** Chicory is completely clueless. ** | |
| [19:05:45] | binks_: | or how can i stop the mythbackend |
| [19:06:14] | cesman: | binks_: what distro? |
| [19:06:36] | binks_: | mythdora (fedora) |
| [19:06:49] | cesman: | don't know... |
| [19:06:59] | Chicory: | Yeah, it's in the same vein as Mythbuntu and KnoppMyth. |
| [19:07:03] | binks_: | im just playing with dif preconfi distros atm to test them out |
| [19:07:33] | binks_: | sorry my keyboard batter is low |
| [19:07:35] | cesman: | nothing wrong w/ using a distro... |
| [19:08:14] | Chicory: | Oh, did I mention that I'm fine with getting a dedicated TV tuner card? |
| [19:08:15] | cesman: | unfortunately, I don't know where the init script is in Fedora |
| [19:08:17] | binks_: | my main distro is kubuntu and thats fine but just having a look around |
| [19:08:39] | briand: | binks_: on fedora, it should be installed as a 'service' ... |
| [19:08:44] | ** Chicory had a good time with Media Portal on Win XP SP2, but now that he's happy in Ubuntu, he's looking for a better TV tuning card. ** | |
| [19:08:47] | briand: | thus `service mythbackend stop` should stop it. |
| [19:09:02] | briand: | (and inversely, `service mythbackend start` will start it back up.) |
| [19:09:09] | binks_: | i think its /etc/init.d/mythbackend |
| [19:09:31] | Chicory: | Any word on this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814122221 |
| [19:09:34] | cesman: | listen to briand |
| [19:10:02] | binks_: | hmm i get failed |
| [19:10:13] | briand: | it can't stop it if it isn't started. ;) |
| [19:10:21] | cesman: | :) |
| [19:10:25] | Chicory: | XD |
| [19:10:26] | briand: | ..and won't start it if it isn't stopped. :) |
| [19:10:35] | Chicory: | If it isn't started that would explain a LOT. |
| [19:10:51] | binks_: | hah ha ok so how can i tell whats all ready got my adapter |
| [19:11:17] | binks_: | didnt no if mythdora started it at boot |
| [19:11:44] | briand: | if it didn't, you might need to run `chkconfig` to set mythbackend to start automatically at boot |
| [19:12:31] | briand: | ie: `chkconfig --level 345 mythbackend on` |
| [19:12:50] | briand: | that'll automatically start mythbackend when booted to runlevels 3, 4, and 5 |
| [19:14:44] | xris: | binks_ / briand: service is basically just a wrapper to /etc/init.d/* but is also aware of xinetd services, too. |
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| [19:21:22] | binks_: | even with the backend started i cant get a lock on the channels even though i used the same channels.conf as i do in kubuntu setup |
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| [19:29:49] | binks_: | strange as when i load the channels.conf into the backend it scans and locks its only the frontend that cant lock |
| [19:31:49] | cesman: | ahhh, the frontend doesn't lock |
| [19:32:03] | cesman: | it displays what the backend provides |
| [19:34:46] | binks_: | so why when it scans does it lock but when asked by the front it doesnt |
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| [19:42:01] | zambaroo: | hi guys |
| [19:42:11] | zambaroo: | hows everyone doing |
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| [19:46:40] | zambaroo: | guys is there a wya to make mencoder use my pvr150 when encoding to mpeg2? |
| [19:48:59] | zambaroo: | and what's going to happen after sept 1st? |
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| [19:56:43] | briand: | xris: ;) |
| [19:57:45] | Chicory: | Is there any drop-in card that won't give me any flac in MythTV? |
| [19:57:52] | Chicory: | Happauge PVR-x series? |
| [19:58:02] | Chicory: | *er, FLACK, flac is a codec. |
| [20:04:18] | juski: | zambaroo: the pvr150 card's encoder is pure hardware that takes a video input – you can't pass it video data & use it like a co-processor you dumdum ;) |
| [20:04:48] | zambaroo: | aww. :( |
| [20:04:50] | zambaroo: | okay |
| [20:04:52] | zambaroo: | thanks |
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| [20:17:39] | jjaacckk: | has anyone seen this: when Watch TV it plays with a big black screen where the frontend GUI was? |
| [20:17:59] | jjaacckk: | the sides are visible and audio works |
| [20:23:25] | jjaacckk: | no one home? |
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| [20:26:04] | juski: | patience, patience.. hahaha |
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| [20:44:18] | Cry_wolf2: | Wy doeasn´r currently recording program show up in view recordings ? Think it has done this before and you can start to watch it before the recording is finnished |
| [20:44:38] | Cry_wolf2: | doesn´t should it be |
| [20:45:20] | juski: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . ecordings.3F |
| [20:45:25] | juski: | talk about a FAQ ! |
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| [20:46:51] | Cry_wolf2: | hmm, i did google |
| [20:47:45] | juski: | google doesn't know it all :) |
| [20:48:50] | Cry_wolf2: | Thanks alot |
| [20:49:10] | Cry_wolf2: | You just saved me from the frying pan in my gf´s hand |
| [20:49:46] | juski: | you should make the default filter 'show all' ;) |
| [20:50:02] | juski: | and get a more passive GF |
| [20:50:24] | juski: | violence, and even threats of violence in the home are bad news :-P |
| [20:51:04] | Cry_wolf2: | hähä |
| [20:51:17] | Cry_wolf2: | Did´t now i had changed the filter |
| [20:52:13] | Cry_wolf2: | Get my new htcp tomorrow...better than christmas |
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| [20:53:54] | juski: | htcp? |
| [20:56:16] | Cry_wolf2: | lol |
| [20:56:32] | Cry_wolf2: | fu.... keyboard |
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| [21:12:18] | Zathras: | hi. I am running MyTV on Debian Etch and I have some problems with MythWeather. 1. Tempratures are wierd: they are negative and way off. 2. I have some error on screen regarding WeatherObj(). How can I tackle this? MythWeather version is: mythweather 0.20-svn20070122–0.0 |
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| [21:13:52] | Cry_wolf2: | From what i know Mythweater is broken |
| [21:14:18] | Cry_wolf2: | There is some newer patch |
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| [21:15:28] | Cry_wolf2: | some info http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_my . . . trunk_mythtv |
| [21:17:31] | Zathras: | thanks. But as I live in Holland this does not seem to be an option |
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| [21:19:20] | Cry_wolf2: | From sweden myself, just whanted to try it. |
| [21:21:18] | Zathras: | is the guy who is developing MythWeather aware of the problems? |
| [21:22:02] | Zathras: | is there a workaround in progress? |
| [21:22:21] | Cry_wolf2: | Strange that they can´t write a module that works with weather.com , some other projects (like dotnetnuke) uses it and it works fine. You have to register (free) and then use your user/pass when you connect but that could easely be entered in mythweather-setup |
| [21:22:40] | Cry_wolf2: | dunno, try mythtv |
| [21:22:49] | Cry_wolf2: | the channel |
| [21:27:23] | xris: | Zathras: I don't think there is "a guy developing mythweather" |
| [21:29:31] | Zathras: | either I am mistaken and it's a girl or there os no one developing mythweather? According to the readme of 0.20 there was someone. |
| [21:30:07] | xris: | people poke at it, but I don't think there is an official maintainer. |
| [21:30:41] | xris: | the devs are aware of the issues, but no one has enough time to take away from other projects to devote to it. |
| [21:31:56] | Zathras: | k. tnx |
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| [21:34:44] | knowledgejunkie: | juski: about? |
| [21:36:25] | hads: | He was 40 minutes ago |
| [21:36:45] | Zathras: | it's kind of wierd anyway as I get the correct doppler radar images |
| [21:36:56] | knowledgejunkie: | hads: ok thanks – just seeing if he's ready for LRL at the weekend |
| [21:37:25] | hads: | knowledgejunkie: He didn't say he was going anywhere so he's probably still sifting around somewere :) |
| [21:37:38] | hads: | Have a good weekend. |
| [21:38:35] | knowledgejunkie: | hads: I'll try and get along to LRL on Sunday – thinking of going down to London on Sat for Le Tour |
| [21:39:58] | hads: | Cool |
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| [21:41:18] | perlmonkey: | hi guys |
| [21:42:57] | perlmonkey: | a while back some kind soul here gave me a script to do null channel changing (I change channels manually from STB), but I lost it and can't find it on the web. does anyone know about this? |
| [21:44:09] | knowledgejunkie: | if you want channel changing to 'work' with no real channel changing, use '/bin/true' for the channel changer |
| [21:44:31] | perlmonkey: | okay thanks :) |
| [21:45:03] | knowledgejunkie: | perlmonkey: then you can manually change channel on the STB separately from MythTV |
| [21:46:05] | perlmonkey: | phew thanks, awesome |
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| [21:48:06] | perlmonkey: | I need to run mythtv-setup to set the channel change command? |
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| [21:49:16] | knowledgejunkie: | perlmonkey: yep |
| [21:49:21] | perlmonkey: | okay |
| [21:49:51] | knowledgejunkie: | perlmonkey: although you can obviously fix it via SQL (mythtvsetup is easier and less prone to errors though...) |
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| [21:51:37] | perlmonkey: | sheesh, my X session got restart after I closed down Mythtv frontend, it sometimes does that dont know why |
| [21:52:06] | perlmonkey: | knowledgejunkie: can you give me that channel change path again I didnt write it down? |
| [21:52:24] | knowledgejunkie: | perlmonkey: /bin/true |
| [21:52:28] | perlmonkey: | thanks |
| [21:52:58] | knowledgejunkie: | perlmonkey: do you start mythfrontend directly from your X startup script? |
| [21:53:25] | perlmonkey: | I usually start it from the xfce menu |
| [21:53:42] | perlmonkey: | but mythbackend runs automatically when I start X |
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| [22:02:41] | eaglehawk1980: | ok, i've looked everywhere, and can't seem to find a way to fix the failure to connect to the backend for my remote frontends ... they are able to connect to the database, but can't connect to the backend.. any suggestions on what to look at? |
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| [22:04:47] | clever: | eaglehawk1980: what ip is the master backend binding to? |
| [22:04:59] | eaglehawk1980: | 192.168.5.150 |
| [22:05:14] | clever: | can you confirm that? |
| [22:05:20] | clever: | netstat -anp|grep LIST |
| [22:05:31] | clever: | that should list all listening sockets |
| [22:05:53] | hads: | or -l |
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| [22:06:37] | clever: | netstat -anpl shows unix sockets also which clutter the output up a bit |
| [22:06:57] | clever: | wait and connected nes |
| [22:07:01] | clever: | maybe i should remove the a:P |
| [22:07:19] | clever: | there netstat -npl works also:P |
| [22:07:31] | clever: | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6549 0.0.0.0:* 17757/mythbackend |
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| [22:07:47] | clever: | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6543 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 17757/mythbackend |
| [22:07:50] | clever: | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6544 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 17757/mythbackend |
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| [22:08:01] | clever: | most of what my backend is doing |
| [22:08:08] | clever: | seems to be binding only to a port:) |
| [22:08:08] | eaglehawk1980: | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6543 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 26442/mythbackend |
| [22:08:09] | eaglehawk1980: | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6544 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 26442/mythbackend |
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| [22:08:22] | eaglehawk1980: | but i don't have the udp port |
| [22:08:34] | clever: | yeah probly because you dont have a upnp version |
| [22:08:40] | clever: | doesnt affect it much |
| [22:09:06] | clever: | is that ip(.5.150) set on the master backend box(ifconfig) |
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| [22:09:25] | eaglehawk1980: | yes |
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| [22:09:49] | clever: | is it under both fields in mythtv-setup(master backend ip and ip for this host?) |
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| [22:10:27] | clever: | wait i think thatas frontend setup |
| [22:10:53] | ** clever looks ** | |
| [22:10:57] | eaglehawk1980: | | BackendServerIP | 192.168.5.150 | mythtv.newcomb-family.us | |
| [22:10:57] | eaglehawk1980: | | BackendServerPort | 6543 | mythtv.newcomb-family.us | |
| [22:10:57] | eaglehawk1980: | | BackendServerIP | 192.168.5.150 | desktop.newcomb-family.us | |
| [22:10:57] | eaglehawk1980: | | BackendServerPort | 6543 | desktop.newcomb-family.us | |
| [22:11:30] | clever: | ahh:) |
| [22:11:52] | ** clever checks the other field thats important ** | |
| [22:12:36] | clever: | | BackendServerIP | 192.168.1.102 | laptop | |
| [22:12:36] | clever: | | BackendServerIP | 192.168.1.103 | media | |
| [22:12:36] | clever: | | BackendServerIP | 192.168.1.60 | theP4 | |
| [22:12:43] | clever: | those tell it where to find each host |
| [22:13:00] | clever: | ahh thats what you have set |
| [22:13:05] | clever: | for both hosts...:S |
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| [22:13:21] | clever: | is your mythtv and desktop host both at .5.150? |
| [22:13:47] | eaglehawk1980: | no |
| [22:14:06] | clever: | they need to have there own correct ip in those fields |
| [22:14:14] | clever: | thats the ip to find the named host not the master backend |
| [22:14:54] | clever: | | BackendServerIP | 192.168.5.150 | mythtv.newcomb-family.us | would be the ip to find the backendserver on mythtv.newcomb-family.us |
| [22:15:11] | clever: | | MasterServerIP | 192.168.1.60 | NULL | would be to find the master backend ip that controls all of them |
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| [22:17:05] | eaglehawk1980: | so it should be: |
| [22:17:06] | eaglehawk1980: | | BackendServerIP | 192.168.5.150 | mythtv.newcomb-family.us | |
| [22:17:06] | eaglehawk1980: | | MasterServerIP | 192.168.5.150 | mythtv.newcomb-family.us | |
| [22:17:06] | eaglehawk1980: | | BackendServerIP | 192.168.5.210 | desktop.newcomb-family.us | |
| [22:17:22] | clever: | yeah that looks better:) |
| [22:17:46] | clever: | the mythtv host will be doing the scheduling and act like a hub between all backends |
| [22:18:00] | clever: | and the desktop will be a slave backend at .5.210 |
| [22:18:27] | clever: | you may need to restart all the back and frontends now since you didnt use the 'proper' programs to change them |
| [22:19:28] | eaglehawk1980: | but this is only a remote frontend. |
| [22:19:49] | clever: | yeah you dont need to run mythbackend on the desktop host if you dont need it |
| [22:20:13] | clever: | even though i have no capture cards on my laptop though |
| [22:20:16] | clever: | im running a backend on it |
| [22:20:23] | clever: | so com flag jobs can get sent to it |
| [22:20:48] | clever: | not shure how much it helps the backend in performance but with 5 pc's to help with comflagging the master may have to do less |
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| [22:23:31] | eaglehawk1980: | see i didn't have mythbackend installed on the desktop...so i'll try this and see what happens.. |
| [22:23:54] | clever: | might help depending on what you need to do with the desktop |
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| [22:28:55] | perlmonkey: | I'm having a problem doing manual recording :-/ I can watch tv fine, but when I try to set a recording manually all I get is static recorded |
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| [22:30:05] | perlmonkey: | not sure what I am doing wrong. I have set the external channel change command to /bin/true |
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| [22:39:45] | eaglehawk1980: | frontend logs show: |
| [22:39:46] | eaglehawk1980: | 2007-07–04 17:39:17.509 Connecting to backend server: localhost:6543 (try 1 of 5) |
| [22:39:46] | eaglehawk1980: | 2007-07–04 17:39:17.509 Connection timed out. |
| [22:39:46] | eaglehawk1980: | You probably should modify the Master Server |
| [22:39:46] | eaglehawk1980: | settings in the setup program and set the |
| [22:39:46] | eaglehawk1980: | proper IP address. |
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| [22:43:22] | Lunar_Lamp: | Hmm, I have one box with a back and frontend running on them, and they work fine. I have installed the frontend on another machine, but when I go to play a DVD, it tries to play the dvd on the machine with just the frontend in, not the backend. The same with music playback. Is this normal behaviour? Am I expecting too much? |
| [22:46:30] | Dagmar: | It's normal. |
| [22:46:49] | Dagmar: | Look at the Executive Overview page on the Wiki. |
| [22:46:54] | Dagmar: | You're not expecting "too much". |
| [22:47:00] | Dagmar: | Your expectations are merely wrong. |
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| [22:50:31] | Lunar_Lamp: | Dagmar, heh, yeah, I thought it woudln't work, but figured I'd try it to see what happened. |
| [22:53:25] | Tanthrix: | Lunar_Lamp: You can get around that by just using NFS / SMB network shares and mythvideo |
| [22:53:42] | Lunar_Lamp: | Ah ok :-) |
| [22:53:51] | Lunar_Lamp: | I was planning on doing that anyway |
| [22:54:14] | Lunar_Lamp: | Just found that I seem to have a problem connecting to my backend from my remote frontend, which I find odd. |
| [22:58:45] | eaglehawk1980: | Lunar_Lamp, i'm having the same issue..i can connect to the database, i can telnet to the backend on the various ports... but the frontend cannot connect to the backend.. |
| [22:59:15] | Lunar_Lamp: | Well, I can def connect to the database also, as I can see the files etc that are in my video/music library. |
| [22:59:32] | Lunar_Lamp: | Haven't gotten much further in troubleshooting – but when I try to play a music file it tells me I have decoder erros. |
| [22:59:34] | synic: | is zap2it broken today? |
| [22:59:35] | Lunar_Lamp: | So I need to work tha tout. |
| [23:00:19] | Lunar_Lamp: | No, it doesn't say I have a decoder error, it says the "[appropriate] decoder failed to open input: error 5" |
| [23:00:27] | Lunar_Lamp: | Where the decoder is the correct decoder for the file type. |
| [23:00:33] | Lunar_Lamp: | Does that fit with you eaglehawk1980? |
| [23:01:20] | eaglehawk1980: | no, mine is just "cannot connect to backend" |
| [23:01:57] | Lunar_Lamp: | I got that and then when I restarted the frontend it was magically fixed :-/ |
| [23:02:26] | eaglehawk1980: | i'm just setting up this frontend, i've never been able to connect to the backend. |
| [23:02:27] | synic: | Reusing existing connection to datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com:80. |
| [23:02:27] | synic: | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error |
| [23:02:30] | synic: | d'oh. |
| [23:04:39] | Lunar_Lamp: | eaglehawk1980, have you been able to do it with the front/back end on the same machine? |
| [23:05:00] | eaglehawk1980: | yes, same machine works fine. |
| [23:06:20] | Lunar_Lamp: | Well, as you can see, I'm not the best person to help you :-/ |
| [23:07:46] | Lunar_Lamp: | I presume that you have the basics right – "bind-address 127.0.0.1" commented out in /etc/mysql/my.cnf on your backend, and that you restarted mysql, then put in the correct IP/mysql password etc on your front end |
| [23:12:47] | eaglehawk1980: | yep |
| [23:12:57] | Shock|ZzZz: | anyway to delete the data from the "Recording Schedules" quickly without going through them one at a time? |
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| [23:18:57] | eaglehawk1980: | ShockValue, you could do it through mysql..but that's prone to disaster.. |
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| [23:19:13] | ShockValue: | yeah, im poking through the database right now.. havent found the right spot yet |
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| [23:33:10] | ShockValue: | any suggestions on good science shows? I currently record Nova, but would like more :) |
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| [23:36:38] | Agrajag-: | if you want a podcast, australia's radio national "the science show" is great. |
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| [23:37:06] | ShockValue: | hrm.. anyway to get podcasts into myth? |
| [23:37:33] | Agrajag-: | hmm.. not that i know of |
| [23:38:12] | ** Dr_willis finds the term 'pod' cast offensive. :) ** | |
| [23:38:17] | Dr_willis: | but i cant think of a better name. |
| [23:38:50] | ShockValue: | i wish i could figure out how to get comcast's music channels to work in myth. when i tune to them myth locks up |
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| [23:38:55] | ** Dr_willis invents a Mp3/ogg/whatever player can calls it the 'cod' – so we can have CodCasts ** | |
| [23:40:29] | ShockValue: | Our Universe Today – OutCasts :) |
| [23:41:25] | Dr_willis: | Ive noticed a lot of ad's for these $50 and under 'video' players. mp3/mp4?/other formats. rather small screen. about 2 In. but with 1 to 2gb storage. ANyone seen/used them? |
| [23:41:44] | Dr_willis: | Wanting somthing i can convert my mythtv recordings/copy them over to easialy. |
| [23:42:55] | ShockValue: | sweet.. my boss just called and told me not to wake up tomorrow.. just roll in when i manage to get out of bed |
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| [23:44:10] | Dr_willis: | Heh.. Wonder what HES hiding... |
| [23:44:18] | ShockValue: | lol |
| [23:44:39] | ShockValue: | probably frantically trying tofix what she screwed up today :) |
| [23:44:49] | Dr_willis: | :) |
| [23:45:06] | Dr_willis: | I was thinking of "early 9 holes of golf, and will be in late' |
| [23:46:02] | ShockValue: | hrm.. i have 1 item left in Recording Schedules that it wont let me delete |
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| [23:46:30] | ShockValue: | my only scheduling options are "normal, specific, and do not record"... but if i choose do not record, it still doesnt take it off the schedule |
| [23:46:57] | ShockValue: | nm, setting it to "normal" and then setting it back to "do not" fixed it |
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