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Tuesday, July 3rd, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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psofa:

anyone that can recommend a mythfrontend livecd for a regular box?

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cesman:

there is only one

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psofa:

ah

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psofa:

minimyth

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cesman:

or is MythDora a live CD now?

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cesman:

no, KnoppMyth

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psofa:

thought it was only for epia mobo's thing

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psofa:

err

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cesman:

MiniMyth isn't live as far as I'm aware and it only supports the Via Epia line

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psofa:

what does knoppmyth have more

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cesman:

I don't understand your question

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psofa:

MiniMyth is a small Linux distribution that turns a diskless computer into a MythTV frontend.

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psofa:

diskless makes it live doesnt it?

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cesman:

no, diskless doesn't mean live

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psofa:

well network boot+ramfs is almost live :)

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cesman:

if you say so...

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cesman:

in my mind, live is as in a live CD

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cesman:

diskless is just that, diskless

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cesman:

by definition, Compact Disk doesn't mean diskless

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cesman:

but that is how my mind operates....

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psofa:

well then the question is what can be described as live Oo

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** cesman ponder WTF he just stated above.... **

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cesman:

psofa: if you want "a livecd for a regular box", then KnoppMyth

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cesman:

if you want to netboot, then just about any distro should do...

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cesman:

psofa: you should note (if you don't already know), that the version of MythFrontend (on the remote client), must match the MythBackend on the server

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psofa:

yeah i know :)

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my2keh:

hey can someone give me a hand with digital output control?

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my2keh:

no?

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my2keh:

sshhhh

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** GreyFoxx returns from watching Transformers. mmmmm robots and explosions = fun **

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opello:

nice

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GreyFoxx:

I still have that nerd glow after seeing it :)

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xanderp:

having problems with my frontend only mythdora install (on an epia m10000). I can't seem to watch more than 1 recorded program. If I try to watch a second program the screen is just solid blue. If I reboot, it will play fine.

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jaypro__:

im having trouble getting mythtv running. can someone help me out. i have hauppauge wintv usb and a cable box from direct tv

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jp79:

it says it cant connect to masterserver backend

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cesman:

is the backend started?

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jp79:

how do you start it

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cesman:

mythbackend

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cesman:

depending on your distro, you may even have an init script...

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xanderp:

jaypro_ what distro of linux are you on/

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jp79:

ubuntu

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cesman:

how did you install MythTV?

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jp79:

synaptic

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cesman:

then, you may have an script in /etc/init.d

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cesman:

/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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xanderp:

try /etc/init.d/mythbackend start

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cesman:

to make it start on boot, update-rc.d mythtv-backend defaults

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xanderp:

does ubuntu have a – in it?

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cesman:

once started, the logs should be in /var/log/mythtv/

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jp79:

one sec..i gotta switch to super user... seems i need root pass

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cesman:

note:I'm assuming the ubuntu debs are the same as the debian debs in the above....

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xanderp:

the kids in my neighborhood are going to end up setting someone's house on fire now that our state allows bottlerockets and such... :(

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cesman:

well, if it is your's you have an excuse to kick thier asses

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xanderp:

they are launching volley after volley of rockets into the air and they are all landing on people's houses...

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xanderp:

it's just a matter of time

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xanderp:

i'm in one of those grey cracker-box editions where the houses are all REALLY close together. if one burns they would all burn...

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jaypro:

oops

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xanderp:

"On tonight's news, a local 8 year old burned down 265 houses tonight lighting bottlerockets in his neighborhood. But hey, at least the governor is getting some tax dollars from the sale of all those fireworks!"

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jaypro:

it says i have to run setup and modify first page of general settings

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xanderp:

jaypro has this install ever worked?

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cesman:

then, do it...

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cesman:

mythtv-setup

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cesman:

you can run that as the user

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jaypro:

xanderp> first time i installed it

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xanderp:

ahh

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xanderp:

mythtv-setup

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cesman:

jaypro: then might I suggest you read the MythTV docs

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cesman:

most excellent

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jaypro:

xanderp> the set up works though... im dual booting... set up works under windows

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xanderp:

???????????? Mythtv running in windows?

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cesman:

mythtv setup works under windows?

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xanderp:

wow, i don't need to install linux anymore?

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jaypro:

no no....

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xanderp:

or do you mean the hardware works in windows?

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jaypro:

the hauppauge wintv usb and cable box i have works fine under windows

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jaypro:

yeah, the hardware works in windows

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** cesman would rather be gang raped by lesbians than run anything under Windows **

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jaypro:

but i dont like windows hehe

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jaypro:

so id like it ot be under linux

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** xanderp would rather be gang raped by lesbians than about anything... ;) **

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jaypro:

haha

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xanderp:

jaypro I've not messed with the usb tuners nor cable box setups

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jaypro:

then how do you have mythtv running?

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jaypro:

tv in card?

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xanderp:

cesman: that's like saying I would rather win the lottery than get kicked in the face.

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cesman:

jaypro: read the docs

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xanderp:

jaypro: the docs are REALLY good now.

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cesman:

the docs have been good for a long time now

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xanderp:

(not like in the old days!)

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xanderp:

remember when the 250's/500's weren't supported yet... (AUGHH!!!)

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cesman:

it has been supported for a long time now

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xanderp:

and when closed captions were just something I kept asking for... but no-one would code.

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xanderp:

makes me feel old to 'remember when'

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jaypro:

i cant get set up running. it says that i need to stop mythtvbackend, but then i type "/etc/init.d/mythtvbackend stop" and its not recognized

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cesman:

how long have you been using MythTV?

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jaypro:

atually, it says "Stopping MythTV server: mythbackend No /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed."

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xanderp:

how long have you been using linux/

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cesman:

jaypro: there is a – in there...

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cesman:

tab completion _is_ your friend

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jaypro:

oops... yeah i typed it with the -

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xanderp:

cd /etc/init.d and just look around for a myth back end ish thing to stop

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jaypro:

cesman> ive been trying to get it running.... tried it sometime ago with no luck

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xanderp:

apologies for my spaces and such, my keyboard on my laptop is broken and skips/doubles letters.

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xanderp:

jaypro: can you even get myth to run, without tuners?

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cesman:

jaypro: are you looking to dual boot or are you looking for a dedicated set-top box?

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jaypro:

xanderp> yeah it runs... but it cant connect because the backend isnt running

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xanderp:

open 2 terminal windows. run mythtv-backend in one, and mythfrontend in another

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jaypro:

i only have one pc here... so no dedicated server... has to be combined

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xanderp:

watch for error messages

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cesman:

it makes no sense to run the frontend now as he has yet to set it up...

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xanderp:

doesn't the ubuntu install run setup on first launch of frontend? fedora does...

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xanderp:

(or am i smoking the crack? i THINK it does...)

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jaypro:

no, it didnt

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xanderp:

do you have mysql running?

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jaypro:

oh there goes the set up

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rcrit:

I just updated from 0.18.1 to 0.20.1 and I'm having a couple of problems.

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jaypro:

damn... i gotta run... thanks guys. i ll have to figure it out later

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rcrit:

1. I can't watch Live TV. I get:

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rcrit:

2007-07–02 22:50:30.025 RingBuf(myth://192.168.0.12:6543/1056_20070702225012.mpg): Taking too long to be allowed to read..

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rcrit:

that file does exist and is non-zero

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xanderp:

single unit or separate frontend/backend?

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rcrit:

separate front/backend

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cesman:

and the backend log states?

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rcrit:

not sure where the backend log writes

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cesman:

check /var/log/mythtv

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cesman:

or as xanderp stated earlier, run both front/backend in seperate xterms

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rcrit:

ok found it. 1 sec while I try again to make sure I have correct logs

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xanderp:

something else that MAY be a problem, does your distro have a firewall enabled on it?

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rcrit:

no, was working fine before upgrade. Ok, here is something.

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xanderp:

most of them are defaulting to have firewall enabled now.

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rcrit:

SELECT name, id FROM recordingprofiles WHERE profilegroup = 6 ORDER BY id

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rcrit:

Driver error was [2/2000]:

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rcrit:

QMYSQL3: Unable to store result

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rcrit:

then it marks it as finished recording whatever show it happened to be on

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rcrit:

and now it is trying to expire it but it isn't there, presumably

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rcrit:

2007-07–02 22:56:58.985 ERROR when trying to delete file: /1056_20070702225012.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed.

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rcrit:

which is odd since it should be trying to remove /video/...

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rcrit:

oh, wait, 5012 is a previous result that is ~1.1MB but still, it is in /video and not in /

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rcrit:

I can watch previously recorded programs fine

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xanderp:

did you read to see if there were any sql processes to have to accomplish upgrading from .18 to .20.1 ? I had problems back in the day from a really old version to a fairly large jump where the database needed upgraded.

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rcrit:

oh, so mysql needs to be upgraded? Hmm, hadn't considered that.

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xanderp:

maybe just the database

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rcrit:

mythtv-setup did a slew of work when I ran it the first time.

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cesman:

it should be upgrade automatically now

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rcrit:

yeah, a ton of schema updates

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xanderp:

cesman: that's good, that was a nightmare a while back.

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cesman:

not if you used KnoppMyth ;)

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rcrit:

I'm running this on a creaking RHEL-4 box...

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xanderp:

rcrit: you could backup your database, create a new one, then see if it works, if not, restore the old one.

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rcrit:

I have a backup from 0.18.1 so I'm ok there.

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xanderp:

(to see if it was a schema problem)

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rcrit:

ok, so to be clear I want to: drop database, run mythtv-setup, run mythfilldatabase, mythtvbackend start

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rcrit:

is that right?

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rcrit:

prefix iwth a backend stop

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xanderp:

just a thought, i'm no expert... may let you check if it's an upgraded database issue, or not.

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rcrit:

no, I think that's a fine idea, just not sure how to start with a fresh db.

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xanderp:

i've always used docs...

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xanderp:

(been a while since i had to gut a bad db)

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xanderp:

i think what you said is correct... i can't see anything wrong.

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pjz:

when I start my frontend, I don't see any icons... I think the pre-scaling is failing somehow, or maybe my theme setting is broken – how do I change that?

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xanderp:

pjz: you can shutdown the frontend and backend, delete your ~/.mythtv folder, and start again, it will recreate your scaling.

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pjz:

xanderp: have to shut down the backend too?

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xanderp:

no.. i guess not... i just like to close everything because i'm an idiot.

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xanderp:

and i make stupid mistakes when i don't go from the ground floor.

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pjz:

heh

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xanderp:

'my roof is leaking, so if i demo the house and build a new one, that should fix the issue right?"

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xanderp:

i often go too far down to fix an issue.

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pjz:

you must've used windows for too long... think you have to reboot to change your font size... :)

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pjz:

hrm, that didn't do it

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xanderp:

i almost blew away my frontend and started over because i was having problems getting lirc to play well with my VFD, my volume knob, and my remote all at the same time... hehe

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xanderp:

WINDOWS SYSTEM MESSAGE: To remove detected spyware and virus please reboot, then use the cleaning utility fdisk. Have a nice day.

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xanderp:

pjz: re-run frontend setup and select a different theme maybe?

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xanderp:

can you get to anything/

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xanderp:

pjz: if you are sql crafty, you can remove the frontend definition from the database and it will need to reconfigure the frontend from scratchh.

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pjz:

xanderp: how do I re-run the fronted setup?

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cesman:

the settings for your frontend are in the db

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cesman:

what you can do, if call your frontend something else

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pjz:

oh? where?

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cesman:

that would make it use the defaults

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xanderp:

change the system name

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pjz:

there's no terminal or cmdline way to reset it?

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cesman:

in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt or /etc/mysql.txt

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cesman:

you should be a line in there about the name of the frontend

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cesman:

just a sec...

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cesman:

LocalHostName=xyz

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cesman:

that is what you are looking for....

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pjz:

hrm, no line like that in /etc/mysql.txt

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pjz:

and I don't have a ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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hads:

Put one in there.

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cesman:

cp /etc/mysql.txt or possibly /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt to ~/.mythtv/

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cesman:

then edit the file

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pjz:

hah! found it!

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pjz:

mythfronted -r

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xanderp:

updatedb then locate mysql.txt

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pjz:

resets frontend settings and language

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xanderp:

hmm when did they put that in there?

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xanderp:

those whacky programmers and their 'code'.

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xanderp:

gotta go... gettin late and i need to watch some tv. :)

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pjz:

heh, thanks for the help!@

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pjz:

gnite

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achew22:

u.

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achew22:

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moribus:

can I please get some build help? Problem here: http://pastebin.com/941066

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moribus:

building on ubuntu 7.10, methinks all dev pkgs installed...

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moribus:

haah

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moribus:

7.04

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moribus:

7.10 not out

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xris:

moribus: apt-get build-dep mythtv?

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Beirdo:

OK, that's enough bot coding for tonight. BED!

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moribus:

xris: thx! 27 missing pkgs...

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moribus:

I didn't find that on the wiki

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xris:

moribus: that's sort of general good knowhow for apt. :)

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xris:

odd that someone wouldn't have put it into a howto, though

[04:30:55]

moribus:

xris: still didn't fix my problem

[04:31:06]

moribus:

can't find header file for freetype

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moribus:

do I need to pass it to make?

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xris:

pastebin.com isn't loading... can you try pastebin.ca?

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moribus:

xris: please hold...

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** xris waits for the music **

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** moribus says *cough* **

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moribus:

http://pastebin.ca/600902

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** moribus waits for the music **

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xris:

moribus: what package owns ftheader.h?

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moribus:

uh

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moribus:

how do I ask apt?

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xris:

dunno. I haven't used apt in ages...

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moribus:

haha

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xris:

`apt-cache search` would probably do it, but there's probably a better way to do "provides"

[04:35:18]

moribus:

I'll poke arround

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moribus:

please hold ;-)

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moribus:

xris: libfreetype6-dev

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xris:

moribus: installed?

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moribus:

http://pastebin.ca/600909

[04:43:00]

moribus:

yes

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moribus:

that pastebin shows how to find file ownership :-)

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ShockValue:

well, i just got done going through every single channel on my list looking for the 5c flag.. comcast has turned it on for 7 channels. basically all the OTA HD channels are now 5c'd

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moribus:

overseer: any guesses? do I need to pass -I or something to make?

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clever:

ShockValue: 5c'ed?

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moribus:

thats a dash eye

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kusznir:

Hi: My myth system recently started having "strange" db problems. At the moment, it insists that its two recorders exist on a remote backend named the same as itself, but still doesn't see it.

[04:52:23]

ShockValue:

clever – Encrypted

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clever:

ahh:(

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clever:

damn them:P

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kusznir:

Other wierdness includes the frontend loosing all (or nearly all) of its settings and the backend and/or mysql being found dead.

[04:52:48]

ShockValue:

which is stupid, because they're not supposed to be encrypting public channels

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clever:

im not even using digital recording so even if they are encrytped here the composite card doesnt care:P

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clever:

lol

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clever:

sue them:P

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xris:

moribus: 32bit or 64bit?

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moribus:

32

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ShockValue:

well i tried to talk to them online today, and each attempt ended up in "Read our FAQ, goodbye"

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kusznir:

Any suggestions on how to rectify the problem?

[04:53:45]

clever:

lol

[04:53:49]

clever:

my digital cable box

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clever:

has a composite video input

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clever:

but because of the firmware

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clever:

it cant be used:P

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clever:

so i need to use another device to get even 1 input working:P

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ShockValue:

kusznir – have you tried "mysqlcheck -r -uusername -ppaassword mythconverg" ?

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clever:

my current tv has multiple inputs which semi fixes the problem

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xris:

kusznir: db corruption?

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xris:

moribus: kind of lost on that one... run ldconfig? reboot?

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kusznir:

My mysql initscript is supposed to check for crashed tables on start, but I'm running the check by hand now.

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kusznir:

everything checked out OK.

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ShockValue:

what version of the nvidia drivers are best for an mx4000? i tried a couple newer versions but im having glitchy playback with them

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xris:

kusznir: optimize_mythdb.pl can help, too

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sustand:

Hi guys

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moribus:

xris: will try ;-)

[05:01:04]

sustand:

Does anyone know the status of Record multiple channels from one multiplex in mythtv ?

[05:02:05]

kusznir:

At this point, things seem to be working except the backend insists it doesn't have the tuners, someone else does. How does it identify what host they should be on? (eg, nslookup, etc.). The backend status page gives the short domain name to the system itself, yet it still says "remote".

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kusznir:

optimize_mythdb.pl had no effect

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xris:

kusznir: hostname (the program)

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kusznir:

hostname reports the same as the host the "remote" backends live

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moribus:

xris: dpkg -S /usr/include/freetype2/freetype/config/ftheader.h works too

[05:06:34]

moribus:

but, my problems persist

[05:06:52]

xris:

moribus: it's more a matter of make/qmake/g++ or whatever being able to see the file.

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xris:

kusznir: huh? you're saying that all of your machines have the same hostname?

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xris:

that's bad

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kusznir:

xiris: I only have one myth system. It worked fine. Then all of the sudden, last night mythbackend and mysql were found dead. I fixed that, and my frontend reverted to default settings. I fixed that, and now my backend swears that there's another machine (with the same hostname) that has the tuners, although its really the one with the tuners.

[05:09:41]

xris:

kusznir: does your current hostname match the hostname in the db?

[05:09:50]

xris:

that's usually the cause for "wiped" settings and stuff like that.

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kusznir:

mythweb status shows: Encoder 1 is remote on myth (currently not connected).

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kusznir:

hostname says "myth"

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kusznir:

I don't know where else to check the hostname in the DB.

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xris:

settings table

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kusznir:

my mysql command line is not that good...what key would I select on in settings?

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kusznir:

I did a select on * and I got a lot of records for "my-unique-identifier-goes-here

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moribus:

xris: solution: emacs -nw libs/libmythtv/Makefile , add -I/usr/include/freetype2

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xris:

moribus: that'd work... sounds like some package forgot to auto update a config file somewhere.

[05:13:41]

moribus:

agreed

[05:14:00]

moribus:

nobody ever told me Ubuntu was a dev's dreamland ;-)

[05:14:15]

moribus:

this is the fist time I build on ubuntu

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moribus:

New World Order

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xris:

kusznir: select hostname, count(hostname) from settings group by hostname;

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xris:

moribus: I tried ubuntu for about 2 weeks before going back to fedora. and I don't care for fedora all that much to start with.

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xris:

afk

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moribus:

I use centos at work. I hate it

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moribus:

ubuntu seems to have nailed the UI for when I Just Want To Get Things Done

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moribus:

(that are not programming) ;-)

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kusznir:

Ok, somewhere it seems that the backend has decided that it is now known as "my-unique-identifier-goes-here". Where is this set / how do I fix it?

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ShockValue:

xris, they havent fiddled with the CCI=0x02 in your area recently on the public HD channels eh?

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xris:

ShockValue: no clue. I use firewire

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ShockValue:

yeah, me too

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ShockValue:

im filing a complaint with the FCC currently :)

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moribus:

xris: compiled, but: http://pastebin.ca/600939

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moribus:

any hints?

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xris:

moribus: remove mythtv binary packages, recompile and reinstall

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moribus:

how do I force rebuild?

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xris:

make distclean

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xris:

and then start over with ./configure etc

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ShockValue:

what is the definition of "STB" in reguards to cable?

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hads:

http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=define%3ASTB

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ShockValue:

ah, set top box. tthanks :)

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ShockValue:

hrm, anyone have luck with firewire + the comcast music channels? none of them show 5c to me, but they're acting like a 5c channel

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rtsai1111:

quit

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ShockValue:

hah, i just found a picture of xris online :D

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xris:

ShockValue: um, there's one of me in the wiki

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ShockValue:

i didnt know i was conversing with a celebrity :)

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xris:

hardly. heh

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ShockValue:

ba in philosophy? thats cool.. i got a minor in philo

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xris:

most useful useless degree I could think of. heh

[06:09:11]

ShockValue:

nah, opens your mind... besides, who actually uses their degrees in their jobs?

[06:09:54]

ShockValue:

i have a degree in c/c++/algorythms/etc, but i just futz with scsi drives and routers all day :)

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ShockValue:

LOL @ "Expert knowledge of RTFM and STFW" :D

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captlloyd:

Anybody have an idea why I don't have a "Watch Videos" option in my menus? I'm looking around in the mailing lists

[06:16:52]

captlloyd:

No luck so far

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ShockValue:

have you installed myth-video?

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captlloyd:

Ahh, that's what I need to do, I didn't see that the plugins are separate.

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ShockValue:

jus' the TV portion is installed as base.. the rest are plugins. mythmusic, mythdvd, mythvideo etc

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captlloyd:

I was reading docs about it, but none of them mentioned a different source tarball

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xris:

ShockValue: can have fun with a resume when you don't really need it.

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captlloyd:

Thank you :)

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ShockValue:

yw

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ShockValue:

yeah, somehow its always easier to find someone willing to hire you when you already have a job too :)

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xris:

it's a nice ego boost to have recruiters randomly email me every couple of weeks.

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xris:

but none of them read the whole "I will not move, and do not want a contract job"

[06:22:42]

xris:

last one was offering a contract job in texas.

[06:22:43]

xris:

um, no.

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ShockValue:

yeah, see you there..... not.

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ShockValue:

why do people insist on titling their advertisements "Boat for sale" in the For Sale, Boats section on craigslist? i mean.. cmon

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xris:

heh

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ShockValue:

g'night. time for some brew and slumber

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moribus:

hrm

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moribus:

what does the schema upgrade break?

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moribus:

when running the svn version against .20 backend?

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olds:

don't think you can due to protocol differences

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captlloyd:

Anyone using mplayer to play videos and have multiple monitors?

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captlloyd:

I can't figure out how to tell it to come up on a certain screen

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clever:

DISPLAY=:0.0 mplayer ...

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clever:

DISPLAY=:0.1 mplayer ...

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clever:

thats how you make any X program show up on certain outputs

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clever:

assuming your not merging them into 1

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clever:

im actualy using a profile in mplayers conf

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clever:

which forces display to :0.1

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clever:

selects the sound card wired to the tv

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clever:

and automaticaly puts it fullscreen

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clever:

all with just -profile tvmode

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clever:

mplayer also has -display which can be used as 'mplayer -display :0.1 ....'

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clever:

but that will work on a little less progs then the env var method

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captlloyd:

Yeah, that's just what I needed :)

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captlloyd:

If I use xv for the output device I can't select my other monitor, omitting the -vo option and it will. I'll do some research on this, I think I'd like to use xv,

[08:12:26]

DGnome:

Anybody in here with experience on MythTV and UPNP?

[08:13:09]

DGnome:

Trying to have djmount mount myth storage

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siXy:

captlloyd: have you tried running the frontend with DISPLAY 0:x mythfrontend

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captlloyd:

No, but I'll try that to make sure my frontend comes up correctly

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captlloyd:

I figured it out with mplayer

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captlloyd:

when you use the xv output you need to use :port=1

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captlloyd:

ok, nevermind it still is coming up on the wrong screen

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captlloyd:

I'll try the option for myth you gave me

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captlloyd:

mythfrontend only wants to come up on my second display, and mplayer on the first :)

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siXy:

captlloyd: was a while ago, but ive got myth to come up in 4 different instances on 4 different screens simulateously using DISPLAY :x (and this is using xv btw)

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siXy:

its not a myth option, its an X option to set the x screen to display on. however, depending on your setup the screens may not be different x displays

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captlloyd:

Yeah, I think they are all on :0

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captlloyd:

:0.1 works for some apps and I get the second screen

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ubuntuEdgy:

hi

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ubuntuEdgy:

wazzzzzzzz up

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ubuntuEdgy:

good day every body

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ubuntuEdgy:

be back later's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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ubuntuEdgy:

need to go get some coke:-!

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rcrit:

I upgraded from 0.18.1 to 0.20.1 last night and I'm having a problem playing live tv from a separate frontend host. It sometimes can't parse the hostname/port/path.

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rcrit:

It logs: QTime::fromString: Parameter out of range

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rcrit:

2007-07–03 08:27:36.521 RemoteFile::openSocket(control socket):

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rcrit:

Could not connect to server "" @ port -1

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rcrit:

then the URL it can't open doesn't contain the host, port or path to the video store.

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fryfrog:

rcrit: can you backup your db, dump it and then re-set everything up?

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fryfrog:

you could then import your "recorded" table and maybe one or two others to get recordings and schedules back

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fryfrog:

and if it doesn't help, you can always revert back to your original db too

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rcrit:

well, it works sometimes, sometimes it doesn't

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fryfrog:

ah :/

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rcrit:

yes, it is very strange.

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fryfrog:

0.18 -> 0.20 is a pretty big jump, in theory it should work but i could see how it might not :(

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fryfrog:

at the very least, it would rule it out

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rcrit:

ok

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rcrit:

I looked into that last night but couldn't set the data source to zapit so I gave up

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rcrit:

it wasn't an option in mythtv-setup

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juski:

fecking steaming pile of poo drivers!!!!!! argh!

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juski:

no monitor connected to the ubunut box & I can't get X to start at a res. I want

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fryfrog:

I can't get mine to output to the DVI connector, it doesn't like my HDMI -> DVI cable

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fryfrog:

er, connection

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fryfrog:

I think cause the TV puts out such lame EDID values

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juski:

no matter what I do I can't get X to run in anything other than 640x480 without the monitor turned on

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laga:

juski: go to http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-b.html

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laga:

juski: scroll down to Option "IgnoreEDID" "boolean"

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fryfrog:

I think there are a couple more helpful ones too

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laga:

yes, like options that actually do anything ;)

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fryfrog:

Option "ConnectedMonitor" "DFP" Option "UseDisplayDevice" "DFP"

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fryfrog:

seems to be all i'm using :/

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** laga wonders if we have any xslt gurus in here **

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wh0dat:

what would be a good HD tuner card to put in my backend box, along with my pvr-500 already in there?

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samesame:

why dont u look at the tv card list and compatibility issues on: www.linuxtv.org

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** TSCHAKWerk starts the day by cranking up the Stiff Little Fingers – "Suspect Device" **

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wh0dat:

same: which link is it on therE? its a bit confusing. i see no 'compatible cards list' link on the left side.

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samesame:

wh0dat: have u ever heard of the term: RTFWS ?

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samesame:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

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TSCHAKWerk:

rcrit: :-)

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juski:

laga: I got that – still bollocks!

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juski:

UseEDID "FALSE" – still no dice.

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laga:

juski: maybe "Option "ModeValidation" "string"" is for you?

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rooaus:

juski: I had to use Option "ModeValidation" "DFP-0: AllowNon60HzDFPModes" to get 50Hz on my PAL LCD

[14:03:59]

Lunar_Lamp:

Hmm, all my videos are showing up as "0min" as their length. Why would this be?

[14:04:58]

juski:

laga: no idea how to go on & the readme isn't high on detail there

[14:05:21]

juski:

Lunar_Lamp: because the length is actually pulled from the metadata in the database

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juski:

laga: infact I'd go as far as saying this is the WORST I've ever seen nvidia docs

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Lunar_Lamp:

juski, ah right. How do I get that to be detected properly when the database is populated? Surely I don't have to manually input those all? :-/

[14:05:59]

juski:

it's NOT detected

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juski:

either YOU populate it yourself with mysql-fu or the imdb lookup stuff does it

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Lunar_Lamp:

Hmm, well, imdb won't work as they aren't movies but sports games etc.

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juski:

in mythvideo?

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juski:

I wouldn't be too bothered about it

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juski:

it's only a number, not the end of the world

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Dagmar:

HAHAHA

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Dagmar:

Yet another person who needs to link things to libFatPsychicLady

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juski:

if you're that fussed you could make a script to parse all your vids & auto-populate it

[14:10:06]

juski:

oh no there I go again with a suggestion a user get off his fat arse & do something himself

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Lunar_Lamp:

Hmm, I was merely asking if there was a config problem I had missed...

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juski:

!trout stupidnvidiabullshitdriver atomicbomb

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** MythLogBot slaps stupidnvidiabullshitdriver with a atomicbomb trout on behalf of juski... **

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Dagmar:

Lunar_Lamp: Not unless you already linked in libFatPsychicLady.so

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Lunar_Lamp:

It's possible for nearly all other media applications to see how long a video file is, so I don't think it was unreasonable to think that perhaps mythtv might have the feature also.

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Dagmar:

Lunar_Lamp: because some file types require that you read them all the way through in order to determine how long they are

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juski:

it has the feature – but it's based on metadata, not the actual file

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Dagmar:

Would you REALLY want MythVideo to take an hour and a half to launch and populate?

[14:12:35]

Lunar_Lamp:

Dagmar, right, I can see that would be an issue.

[14:12:44]

Dagmar:

That's pretty much why it's not done automagically.

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juski:

that, and the fact it annoys some people so :D

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Lunar_Lamp:

Is there a way of automagically updating the metadata? I'm guessing there must be a tool somewhere, even if it's not part of mythtv.

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juski:

oh there's a tool somewhere alright

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Dagmar:

bash scriptin' FTW

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Ruleke:

woot samsung made a patch to add 1080p24 to the EDID in my tv :)

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juski:

arghhh donkey raping piece of CRAP nvidia drivers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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fryfrog:

how do you patch a tv?

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juski:

option "UseEDID" "FALSE" – still no joy. Arseburgers. Stuck at 640 by fucking 480 AGAIN

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jams:

fryfrog- firmware update

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Ruleke:

serial at the back of tv

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fryfrog:

ahhh

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: hdcp fucking with you?

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laga:

juski: can you put your xorg log online?

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Ruleke:

though the EDID thing seems to have an individual patch applied through the hdmi port somehow...

[14:18:28]

jams:

although samsungs firmware updates sometimes introduce more bugs then they fix

[14:18:31]

juski:

I can set fire to my house remotely

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Ruleke:

jams: well it seems my only 3 bugs are fixed

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Ruleke:

and it were buglets at that

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juski:

the xorg log is saying "we can't find any valid modes for this monitor, so using nvidia-auto-piss-off-juski-profusely settings"

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: Option "ModeValidation" "NoWidthAlignmentCheck" .. try that in your Device section.

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ubuntuEdg1:

hi guys.

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jams:

Ruleke- cool

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ubuntuEdg1:

has any one seen any thing like this before http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/568/untitledfr8.png

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Ruleke:

I really like this one tbh

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juski:

I'm gonna try throwing the box down the stairs & out onto the road into the path of a bus – see how that fixes it!

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: there are tons of hidden Options.

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juski:

yeah but this is an option that used to just work – but NO nvidia in their fucking infinite fucking wisdom HAD to go changing it & make it so unfathomable they can truly be proud of themselves

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: maybe what I pasted will work.

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juski:

well done! you're now as crap as ATI !

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jams:

ubuntuEdg1- yeah, that happens sometimes when using eit data

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ubuntuEdg1:

is it true

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Dagmar:

Sure it's true

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juski:

TSCHAKWerk: wtf does nowidthalignmentcheck have to do with anything?

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ubuntuEdg1:

do i really have that much guide data

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jams:

ubuntuEdg1- one or more of your channels has an incorrect date

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ubuntuEdg1:

ahhh i get it

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: nvidia drivers of late have some bizarre constraint checks that they do, this is bypassing the constraint that seems to cause the most trouble as of late.

[14:22:40]

Dagmar:

Do you -really- have to be told you don't have SEVEN THOUSAND DAYS WORTH of programming data?

[14:22:53]

ubuntuEdg1:

it was too good to be true

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RyeBrye:

:)

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: maybe it'll work, maybe it won't.. but at least it's something to try.

[14:23:12]

jams:

also your two boxes are not aligned. either that or it's just the difference in the corners making it appear off

[14:23:25]

TSCHAKWerk:

juski: if it doesn't, you can scream at me, ok?

[14:23:29]

Dagmar:

ubuntuEdg1: Common sense should have told you that you don't have TWENTY-ONE YEARS worth of advanced listings.

[14:23:43]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, I only get 18 years at best

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ubuntuEdg1:

well if i did i would put it into good use

[14:23:49]

RyeBrye:

21 is pushing it a bit

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Ruleke:

hey, the queen's birthday is already planned in EIT then ;)

[14:23:50]

Dagmar:

We could be broadcasting in Cheddar Cheese frequencies 21 years from now

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TSCHAKWerk:

Dagmar: the way pop culture is shaping up, it's a distinct possibility for the future :-P

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TSCHAKWerk:

television becoming SO consistent

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TSCHAKWerk:

that WE WILL know what will be on TV, 50 years from now

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

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** juski takes "(II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "nvidia-auto-select" " and shoves it up nvidia where the sun doesn't shine **

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Ruleke:

State sanctioned programming you mean ?

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TSCHAKWerk:

and let me tell you, it will be public executions fused with porn.

[14:25:31]

TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

[14:25:43]

TSCHAKWerk:

f*cked to death

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

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Ruleke:

I blame Bush

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Ruleke:

;)

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TSCHAKWerk:

it's...really.....not his fault....

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TSCHAKWerk:

the other side is just as $()@#@#($@#'ed

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juski:

you blame Bush for porn?

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juski:

true though – if there were no Bush there's be no porn to speak of

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TSCHAKWerk:

I hate all politicians equally

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Ruleke:

hey you got it in 2 :)

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samesame:

juski what was the last manual u read?

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Pryon:

There's plenty of porn without bush. It seems to be pretty popular these days

[14:29:13]

laga:

samesame: "mythtv for dummies" ;)

[14:29:18]

Ruleke:

IRC etiquette ;)

[14:29:55]

juski:

http://pastebin.ca/601424

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rooaus:

juski: Try "startx — -logverbose 5", if I remember right it gives you the reason it rejects each video mode. Maybe...

[14:30:48]

juski:

it can't validate the modes because the monitor is switched off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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juski:

it's as simple as that!

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juski:

I don't want it to do that though – just run at 1280x1024 – not too damn much to ask now is it?

[14:31:18]

TSCHAKWerk:

juski: i think it's time to walk away and smoke a cigarette.

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laga:

oh my god.

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juski:

I think it's time to go home & set fire to it

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mkrufky:

is it true that support for nvidia 5200 via their binary drivers is on a ticking clock?

[14:31:47]

mkrufky:

err... i mean, that they're going to stop supporting it soon?

[14:31:47]

TSCHAKWerk:

juski: do this before you put on lipstick and take out a post office.

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ubuntuEdg1:

http://pastebin.ca/601429

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Ruleke:

go nouveau :)

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juski:

I need to rely on being able to force the mode incase the projector the box gets hooked up to this sunday at LRL doesn't do EDID

[14:33:23]

juski:

so – short of installing an ATI card? ????

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laga:

juski: play with the mode validation stuff

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juski:

I HAVE been playing with it

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juski:

I'm blue in the face

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Dagmar:

You can tell because it's a lot bigger now.

[14:34:03]

juski:

the docs don't make any fucking sense to me at all

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** Dagmar ducks. **

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juski:

the docs are not in English when they talk about the mode validation stuff

[14:35:31]

juski:

I mean as if Joe User doesn't need to know this stuff – oh the usert wants to force only one mode to be used? Nah how silly! nobody'd ever want to do that!

[14:36:11]

juski:

I've given up. 640x480 it is

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samesame:

juski: u sound like one of those mythtv-newbies

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juski:

now I'm not going to be recommending ATI OR Nvidia

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rooaus:

juski: Ah the monitor is off, I think I still had problems with the Xorg still rejecting video modes because it didn't like them (it was ignoring EDID). Thats how I found out I needed the "DFP-0: AllowNon60HzDFPModes".

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ubuntuEdg1:

you cant change resolutions ?

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rooaus:

juski: Goodluck :)

[14:37:18]

ubuntuEdg1:

i will always say go with nv

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juski:

what a fucking ball-ache though – to have to restart X because you boot the machine without the monitor switched on!

[14:37:32]

juski:

crazy shit

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juski:

time to send nvidia some Anthrax

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ubuntuEdg1:

i have some kind of the same issue

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Ruleke:

this whole mess started with them sniffing white powder... won't that make it worse ? :)

[14:38:32]

ubuntuEdg1:

some times my monitor wil go all "white "

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siXy:

juski: can you start it plugged into an lcd that supports it, then just switch over tothe projector? or is that too much of a PITA?

[14:38:47]

ubuntuEdg1:

and i have to keep pressing on and of

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juski:

that's too much of a PITA

[14:39:20]

juski:

why the hell can't it just let somebody force it?

[14:39:47]

juski:

have people tried to sue them for blowing up their monitors with crazy modelines or something?!

[14:40:45]

siXy:

juski: its not user-friendly any more to allow people control over their machines, apparently.

[14:41:18]

juski:

riiiight

[14:41:29]

juski:

well they can go to hell

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Dagmar:

Because tards *will* pick a modeline that damages their displays

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juski:

if it's too much to ask that they change their driver features AND document them adequately, they can honestly just go fuck themselves

[14:42:38]

Dagmar:

Things like "I started X and all I get is this really bright line running across the middle of the screen. I've been trying for days to fix it but it's still there, but now it's black."

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siXy:

lmao :D

[14:43:24]

juski:

I'm seriously angry now

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Daviey:

Is this channel now smoke free? :(

[14:43:53]

siXy:

well so now nvidia is crap, along with ati. meh. what are we gonna use then? matrox is more or less dead and via-unichrome is abysmal

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juski:

they have to go turn a very simple thing into a major fucking operation that takes a lifetime to work out

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Daviey:

siXy: Intel ftw

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siXy:

why am i sceptical about getting HD video playing on intel graphics cards? ;)

[14:45:33]

juski:

why am i sceptical about the future of linux of support for video hardware is getting so damn LAME ?!

[14:46:07]

juski:

s/of support/if support

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cry_wolf2:

gah, just ordered a 7300GS and now you are saying nvidia is crap ?

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juski:

their docs aren't worth wiping your backside with

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rooaus:

juski: What interface are you using, DVI or VGA? Option "ConnectedMonitor" "DFP" will force the card to use the DVI even if there are no displays connected.

[14:47:07]

laga:

cry_wolf2: it'll be OK once juski calmed down and found the magical option in the README

[14:47:10]

** TSCHAKWerk is using an intel GPU. **

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siXy:

juski: do you know what driver version they introduced this 'feature' in?

[14:47:54]

cry_wolf2:

laga: ah, ok :=)

[14:47:57]

juski:

why has nobody yet grasped that the problem stems from NOT HAVING THE MONITOR SWITCHED ON?!

[14:48:16]

juski:

and laga FYI there IS NO magical option in the fucking readme

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cry_wolf2:

have onboard intel on the motherboard soo i should be ok

[14:48:49]

juski:

I don't want the driver to try to figure anything out, just take my word for it that I want 1280x1024 & leave it

[14:49:10]

juski:

it cannot detect a monitor when it isn't switched on!

[14:50:13]

juski:

oh wait... wonder if I have a local xorg.conf file...

[14:50:23]

rooaus:

juski: Understand that now, I think the drivers fall back to a bullshit config when it can't detect a connected monitor. The connectedMonitor forces it to use the DVI (when you specify DFP) even if it can't find one attached.

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Dr_willis:

juski, Hmm. Ive never noticed a problem with my Monitors turned off.

[14:50:58]

juski:

the card doesn't even HAVE DVI ffs

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cry_wolf2:

Anyone here got a Hauppage wintv with 878-chip and got the audio to work without the cable between ?

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** TSCHAKWerk honestly wonders why people use non-mpeg cards with mythTV... **

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Ruleke:

cablecrypt hacking ? ;)

[14:53:51]

Dagmar:

TSCHAKWerk: because their money is more valuable then the time they spend bothering people to tell them how to fix it

[14:53:52]

juski:

poor?

[14:54:10]

cry_wolf2:

Was that pointed at me ?

[14:54:28]

Ruleke:

nah it's general user bashing, safe to ignore

[14:54:38]

cry_wolf2:

lol

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-)

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juski:

safe to ignore framegrabber users

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juski:

their opinions don't count :)

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samesame:

(**) NVIDIA(0): Juski disabled on all display devices.

[14:55:04]

Dagmar:

Exactly.

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Dagmar:

LOL

[14:55:07]

juski:

oh and now nvidia users too

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Ruleke:

they are nice to watch cablecrypt encrypted channels though, seriously ;)

[14:55:17]

TSCHAKWerk:

cry_wolf2: seriously, get a wintv-pvr card, many less headaches. :-)

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Dagmar:

Ruleke: What? Scrambled porno?

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cry_wolf2:

TSCHAKWerk: Just baught it very cheap (used) to transfer some old homerecordings from vhs to dvd

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Ruleke:

nah canal+

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Ruleke:

analogue obviously

[14:56:14]

Dagmar:

Hmm... I've no idea what you're talking about

[14:56:30]

Ruleke:

subscription movie channels

[14:56:33]

Dagmar:

...but let Comcast piss me off just once or twice more and I'll go figure out how to decrypt their stuff out of spite.

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Ruleke:

I have a subscription though :)

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TSCHAKWerk:

Dagmar: please let the rest of us know who just want to be able to use the service we pay for. :-)

[14:57:19]

Ruleke:

the only analogue stuff I still watch

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juski:

whether you have a valid sub or not, using software to decripple TV is NAUGHTY

[14:58:10]

Ruleke:

all the fun stuff is naughty

[14:58:11]

Dagmar:

Actually, that depends.

[14:58:31]

Dagmar:

If I'm adhering to 5C, then technically, I'm entirely within the law.

[14:58:43]

Dagmar:

However, I'll be damned if I would trust anyone else ot be that saintly about it.

[14:58:47]

Ruleke:

We're in the naughties for 3 more years ;)

[14:58:55]

Dagmar:

...I'm not even saintly, I'm just too *lazy* to make copies

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Dagmar:

I figure I've got mine... screw the rest of ya's

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samesame:

Dagmar: are u the guy with the tidy home network setup?

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Dagmar:

I velcro my cables into bundles, what of it?

[15:00:27]

Dagmar:

Just because they're color-coded by security label doesn't mean I'm anal.

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samesame:

heh

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Ruleke:

too bad he velcros his power leads next to the coax... and then comes here and complains about picture quality

[15:01:26]

samesame:

is there a such thing as a 64-bit version of mythtv?

[15:01:30]

Dagmar:

The coax I have is shielded enough that it wouldn't be affected.

[15:01:54]

Dagmar:

...not to mention the power cables themselves are shielded/grounded.

[15:02:07]

samesame:

to me nothing has changed since 32-bit >> 64-bit

[15:02:25]

samesame:

but there was a big change with 8-bit >> 16-bit

[15:02:29]

RyeBrye:

you culd probably compile mythtv for 64 bit, dunno if you would get a speed improvement

[15:02:45]

rooaus:

juski: Could try starting with "startx — -logverbose 6" and pastebin the logfile? When do you have to have this going by?

[15:02:46]

RyeBrye:

the biggest benefit of 64 bit imo is the amount of RAM your processor can address

[15:03:39]

samesame:

RyeBrye: who in there right mind needs more than 1 gig of ram? :-/

[15:03:49]

samesame:

unless they are running vista ...

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TSCHAKWerk:

samesame: because the complexity of operating systems (which I consider the concept of the operating system to be obsolete and unnecessary in future computer designs), has increased along with the size of the hardware.

[15:03:52]

jams:

heh i havr 4 in my desktop

[15:03:54]

Ruleke:

32bit is more than 1GB :P

[15:03:54]

laga:

i run firefox

[15:04:23]

RyeBrye:

Servers :)

[15:04:26]

TSCHAKWerk:

samesame: our CPUs have gotten bigger, but so has our software.

[15:04:26]

Dagmar:

I've been thinking about getting a second Gb of RAM

[15:04:28]

RyeBrye:

Servers eat RAM for breakfast :)

[15:04:30]

samesame:

TSCHAKWerk: the average linux user should be happy with 1 gig

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laga:

Dagmar: same here. it's darn cheap

[15:04:46]

Dagmar:

Games would like it, and if I moved say, /tmp into a 1Gb ramdisk and compiled in it...

[15:04:54]

juski:

rooaus: I've sacked it. 640x480 will do if push comes to shove. fucking PoS driver

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rooaus:

samesame: I need more than 6GB (per process) for EDA sims at work :)

[15:05:05]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, that would be good

[15:05:08]

TSCHAKWerk:

samesame: i don't like the situation at all, either... that's why I am a squeak developer. :-P

[15:05:23]

Ruleke:

datawarehouse :)

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RyeBrye:

Perhaps making a 2gb ramdisk to store the ccache files and /tmp and then hav e a script to mirror those ccache files at startup -> ramdisk and at shutdown -> disk would speed up compiling greatly

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Dagmar:

My stuff already compiles entirely in /tmp

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rooaus:

juski: No problems, I hope all goes well.

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samesame:

Dagmar: are u a gentoo man

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samesame:

*gentle

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Dagmar:

Hell no.

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Dagmar:

I know what I'm doing.

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juski:

it either goes well or the machine will be a smashed up box made of very bent & broken metal

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ubuntuEdgy:

can any one help i cant farward faster the 3 X

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rooaus:

:)

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jams:

Dagmar- that is possibly one of the best answers i have seen in a while

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ubuntuEdgy:

when i try to forward 5 X it freezes

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samesame:

juski: u will turn into that german kid in that mythtv advert

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ubuntuEdgy:

google didnt help

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Ruleke:

mythtv advert ?

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samesame:

ubuntuEdgy: thats a good idea for a tshirt print "Google Didnt Help."

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Dagmar:

n00buntu

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ubuntuEdgy:

lol

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ubuntuEdgy:

can u help

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ubuntuEdgy:

thats the qestion

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Dagmar:

I'd have to be concerned first.

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RyeBrye:

|\|00|3\_/|\|T\_/

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Ruleke:

r u typiong egnlish ?

[15:10:08]

Ruleke:

:)

[15:10:16]

Dagmar:

As it stands, my best suggestion is to take it up with whoever built your binaries.

[15:10:26]

juski:

hello. me no worky mythtv. I red something & now it no worky

[15:10:30]

Ruleke:

:)

[15:10:46]

Ruleke:

we're just bashing a bit too much maybe :P

[15:10:48]

samesame:

is it a good idea to use mythtv with a distro what uses the latest kernel what contains latest tv card drivers/updates? like fedora?

[15:10:52]

ubuntuEdgy:

who ? lmaooooooooo

[15:11:01]

RyeBrye:

I use MythTV with Fedora

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RyeBrye:

it works fine

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Dagmar:

samesame: It beats the hell out of trying to get it to work with Debian stable

[15:11:30]

Ruleke:

who would build a pvr with stable :P

[15:11:41]

sebrock:

By accident I deleted the files in my "recorded" dir

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samesame:

Dagmar: yes thats what i was thinking, if used with debian stable kernel would need to be patched with updates for my tv card

[15:11:42]

laga:

Ruleke: i did.

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sebrock:

now I cant start TV anymore, says it cant find file ....

[15:11:59]

Ruleke:

based on, not using only right ? :)

[15:11:59]

RyeBrye:

They call it Stable because that's what people tied their horses up in when the kernel version was written

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juski:

by accident, you did something veyr retarded

[15:12:10]

juski:

by accident my ass!

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sebrock:

can I flush this out from mythdb somehow?

[15:12:16]

laga:

juski: did you delete the angry german mythtv kid video?

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ubuntuEdgy:

sebrock: its at the trash

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juski:

laga: the ubuntu guys asked me to

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sebrock:

no I totally deleted it :/

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laga:

juski: the mythbuntu guys? sad :(

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juski:

you do not accidentally delete your recordings directory ffs

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RyeBrye:

sebrock: I could give you more information, but this is a perfect time for you to learn some MySQL admin skills :)

[15:13:15]

juski:

oops I totally typed rm -rf /mythtv/recordings by mistake!

[15:13:33]

RyeBrye:

sebrock: Here's a hint: get a MySQL admin tool – like PHP MyAdmin or something, and look at the tables

[15:13:33]

Dagmar:

oops I'm typing mkdir /mythtv/recordings entirely by mistake

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sebrock:

the mistake was that I did not thought Myth would care and just start a new recording

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Dagmar:

oh no I typoed and wrote ^rm -rf^mkdir -p^ by accident

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juski:

oh noes! ZOMG!

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Ruleke:

oh so you just "assumed"

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Dagmar:

sebrock: jsut reboot the machine, or restart the backend and the frontend

[15:14:47]

RyeBrye:

sebrock: you can delete the entries from the tables if you craft a simple delete whatever from recordings where bla

[15:14:51]

juski:

if you're daft enough to make assumptions like that, er.. well I'm not helping

[15:14:59]

Ruleke:

damn I hope someone will bring out that CPU with the DWIW and DWIM instructions

[15:15:11]

sebrock:

Dagmar, I did, does not work

[15:15:24]

Dagmar:

sebrock: So what *exactly* did you type in, because it's not what you're saying you did

[15:15:41]

Dagmar:

...and we can't help you unless we know exactly what you did to break it.

[15:15:42]

ubuntuEdgy:

sebrock, it should just work

[15:15:44]

RyeBrye:

sebrock: http://www.w3schools.com/sql/sql_delete.asp

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sebrock:

I deleted my recordings

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laga:

Ruleke: DWIW?

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Dagmar:

You deleted more than that.

[15:15:53]

Ruleke:

do_what_I_want

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siXy:

sebrock: why not just paste in the command you typed?

[15:16:11]

sebrock:

when I start the frontend now, and then start live TV it complains about a missing file

[15:16:17]

Dagmar:

So?>

[15:16:23]

Dagmar:

Type `touch missingfilename.mpg`

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RyeBrye:

sebrock – did you type rm -rf /recordings?

[15:16:26]

sebrock:

and jumps back to menu

[15:16:37]

sebrock:

its gone OK?

[15:16:42]

RyeBrye:

did you make the directory again?

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siXy:

RyeBrye: ./recordings :)

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sebrock:

yes the dir is there

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Ruleke:

simple, restore from backup ;)

[15:16:54]

RyeBrye:

LiveTV wants the directory to put it's temp file

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Dagmar:

It doesn't have a tmp file anymore.

[15:17:20]

RyeBrye:

oh

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Ruleke:

nah just touch the files again or remove from the DB directly

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** RyeBrye thinks future instructions should suggest users create their recordings dirs as ".recordings" :) **

[15:18:09]

sebrock:

so what do I do?

[15:18:13]

juski:

RyeBrye: why? users don't read instructions!

[15:18:17]

sebrock:

restarting does not help

[15:18:24]

TSCHAKWerk:

basic rule of gadgetry, "No matter how many hints you give, somebody's gonna shove it up their arse."

[15:18:32]

RyeBrye:

sebrock, what file is it complaining abotu?

[15:18:43]

RyeBrye:

if you use "touch" and create a blank file there, it hsould be fine

[15:18:45]

TSCHAKWerk:

(this applies to software as well)

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juski:

the whole recordings dir, my money's on that

[15:19:02]

Ruleke:

quite

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ubuntuEdgy:

try this ,sudo reboot

[15:19:34]

siXy:

well as he refuses to tell us what command he used, there could be a whole lot more gone

[15:19:38]

ubuntuEdgy:

on both compuetsr

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Ruleke:

did it myself with those h264 PAFF crashes :P

[15:19:39]

RyeBrye:

The most retarded thing I did recently was echo something with a single > instead of a double >> to my modprobe.conf – but fortunately I had a backup conf file to work from

[15:20:00]

RyeBrye:

That was an annoying typo to make though

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Ruleke:

recently I forgot to type the destination of a cp command ;)

[15:20:24]

Ruleke:

we all make mistakes

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juski:

yeah mine was coming back

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Ruleke:

hehe

[15:21:23]

Ruleke:

run juski run ! run like the wind !

[15:21:27]

sebrock:

now it works all of the sudden

[15:21:31]

Ruleke:

lol

[15:21:35]

sebrock:

without me doing anything

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RyeBrye:

I'm in ur MythBox fix1nG ur PVR

[15:21:45]

Ruleke:

heheheh

[15:21:57]

RyeBrye:

pebcac probably

[15:22:03]

RyeBrye:

errr pebkac that is

[15:22:03]

Ruleke:

damn that was funny

[15:22:48]

Ruleke:

more serious question, does h264 PAFF work now in myth ?

[15:22:53]

laga:

Ruleke: no

[15:22:58]

Ruleke:

darn

[15:23:02]

laga:

Ruleke: you'd have to use coreAVC, i believe

[15:23:06]

** Ruleke cancels some recordings **

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** RyeBrye kind of laughs his gradual transformation into a channel asshole **

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laga:

h.264 PAFF tends to fill up my backend logs ;)

[15:23:32]

Ruleke:

some channels are h264 paff on my cable :/

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Ruleke:

laga: you have paff in your recordings too ?

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laga:

Ruleke: sometimes.

[15:24:50]

laga:

Ruleke: well, i can't encrypt those stations anyways

[15:24:59]

Ruleke:

you mean decrypt ?

[15:25:04]

laga:

err, right.

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Ruleke:

ok

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sebrock:

what does ffmpeg need för 720p x264?

[15:26:07]

** RyeBrye 's head explodes **

[15:26:33]

RyeBrye:

sebrock: what do you mean "need" ?

[15:26:40]

RyeBrye:

what are you doing with it?

[15:27:20]

Ruleke:

also I can't quite parse x264 and ffmpeg in that same sentence... which do you mean ?

[15:28:00]

RyeBrye:

Oh, I was thinking it meant 720 x 264

[15:28:05]

RyeBrye:

now I'm even more lost

[15:28:18]

sebrock:

Playback x264 at 720p

[15:28:26]

RyeBrye:

Hardware requirements?

[15:28:32]

sebrock:

yes

[15:28:38]

laga:

x264 is the encoder. h.264 is the codec

[15:28:40]

laga:

afaik

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sebrock:

hm

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RyeBrye:

Dunno, with XvMC you can offload onto a video card a lot of it – probably can do so with XV as well if you have binary drivers – but I haven't done much

[15:29:14]

Ruleke:

x264 is the encoder lib, yes... I suppose you meant h.264 then

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sebrock:

Because it flows fine with vlc on the machine, but noth using myth

[15:29:31]

Ruleke:

there _is_ no h264 xvmc offloading

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RyeBrye:

Oh

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RyeBrye:

Does accelerated XV help then?

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RyeBrye:

Because I helped a friend build a mythbox and his HD output was shit with his ATI card, but buttery smooth with an Nvidia card – both using binary drivers

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Ruleke:

maybe, if you rescale

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Ruleke:

well afaik nvidia didn't put any acceleration in its linux stuff

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Ruleke:

would be nice though

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Ruleke:

especially the VP2 stuff on the 8500/8600

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RyeBrye:

Hm.. wonder what it was that made the difference – the onyl difference was the video card and the drivers

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Ruleke:

well I suppose nvidia uses Xv hardware overlays, so it draws them as a texture

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Ruleke:

also, wasn't the HD format mpeg2 ?

[15:33:02]

laga:

no

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laga:

it's mostly h.264 in europe

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Ruleke:

yeah well I don't know where he's from :)

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Ruleke:

even my SD stuff is h.264

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sebrock:

well a AMD64 3500+ should do it dont you think?

[15:33:43]

Ruleke:

there's a page somewhere with some benchmarks iirc

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olds:

Ruleke: Yes, nvidia has hardware acceleration in its linux drivers

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olds:

that's basically what xvmc is

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olds:

at least according to the mythtv wiki

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sebrock:

anything to be done besides installing the drivers?

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olds:

compiling with --enable-xvmc

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olds:

and then selecting "Standard XVMC" under playback options in the frontend

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Dagmar:

Mainly you can leave that alone and it will select the correct stuff when it compiles

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olds:

I throw it in for good measure

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cesman:

ahhh.... XvMC as far as I'm aware is only for MPEG2 and won't help w/ h.264

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olds:

correct

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olds:

there is no h.264 acceleration in the linux drivers

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olds:

only windows

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sebrock:

even visualizations stutter here

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sebrock:

must have done somthing wrong

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olds:

oh, and --enable-proc-opt

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sebrock:

Mythfrontend does not seem to recognize my theme

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sebrock:

will not get listed...

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sebrock:

if xorg.conf is edited to use XvMC do I have to do anything else to make MythTV use this aswell?

[16:10:17]

sebrock:

I downloaded the MythTV from ubuntu sources...

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juski:

apart from setting it to use xvmc you mean?

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juski:

in tv playback settings..

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sebrock:

yes

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sebrock:

ok, will it use xvmc with HD movies aswell? or do I have to recompile mplayer?

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Lunar_Lamp:

Hmm, ok, no matter what I set mythtv to do on dvd insert (play, nothing, show menu) it always just shows the folder structure of the dvd when I insert the dvd (or start mythtv with a dvd inserted). I'm sure this is something I'm doing wrong, but could someone point me in the right direction please.

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juski:

sebrock: mplayer prolly supports xvmc anyway – if not just use xine

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juski:

FYI xvmc is only any use for mpeg2

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sebrock:

hm ok

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sebrock:

I cant figure out why myth plays 720p h.264 stuttering

[16:14:21]

sebrock:

it works without stutter outside myth

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juski:

sebrock: because your CPU is too puny!

[16:14:44]

juski:

so yeah myth needs more CPU. go fix it :)

[16:15:01]

sebrock:

well cant take 40% cpu

[16:15:28]

sebrock:

under windoze I can work 1080p with some luck

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sebrock:

btw, xine vs. mplayer?

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juski:

sebrock: what you can do in 'doze doesn't matter

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juski:

mythtv needs more cpu than other players – live with that fact or help fix it

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sebrock:

usually it is the other way arround

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juski:

yeah well not in this case

[16:17:43]

juski:

like I say, live with it or help fix it

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sebrock:

so a 2.2 ghz wont play 720p on myth

[16:18:49]

juski:

so?

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juski:

get a faster CPU or help fix it

[16:19:31]

sebrock:

lol, it's obviously something else man

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juski:

h,264 takes a hell of a lot more juice to decode than mpeg2

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sebrock:

even with mythtv on in background I can decode h.264 720p outside

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juski:

and it's obviously down to mythtv's internal player or else other apps would not be able to play it

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sebrock:

it uses mplayer

[16:21:08]

juski:

mythtv doesn't use mplayer

[16:21:18]

juski:

mythtv uses its OWN player for tv playback

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sebrock:

Im not talking tv now

[16:21:46]

juski:

but if you mean when you try to play a h.264 file in mythvideo, then it's likely your command options that are wrong

[16:21:51]

sebrock:

Im talking a mpg file

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juski:

which if you'd sufficiently explained in the first place we'd have got here much sooner

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sebrock:

sorry

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juski:

so it wasn't IN MYTHTV

[16:22:31]

juski:

it was IN MPLAYER

[16:22:39]

juski:

sheesh

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sebrock:

yes, mplayer "from" myth

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sebrock:

as I use mplayer for videos

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juski:

sebrock> I cant figure out why myth plays 720p h.264 stuttering

[16:24:12]

sebrock:

Ok, I cant figure out why the internal player (mplayer) plays 720p stuttering within mythtv

[16:24:43]

sebrock:

be nice, it's my birthday

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juski:

the Internal player is NOT mplayer

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juski:

the Internal player is the INTERNAL PLAYER

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sebrock:

geh

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juski:

mplayer is mplayer

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sebrock:

Ok, I cant figure out why mythvido (mplayer) plays 720p stuttering within mythtv

[16:26:06]

juski:

the command line option you're using is sub-optimal

[16:26:08]

juski:

next!

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juski:

see the setup option for mythvideo's 'player command' & see what options it uses

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juski:

all mythtv is doing is calling mplayer with some options & telling it to play a file

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** ben_goodger observes **

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juski:

just the same as calling it from a command line

[16:27:29]

juski:

no different at all

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juski:

so whatever command options you use when mplayer doesn't stutter, you want to be using them in mythtv's 'player command'

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cry_wolf2:

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Dagmar:

Spoooooky unstable

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Dagmar:

I used 0.21 to record my cat playing with a ball of yarn using a webcam, and ten minutes later, my cat exploded.

[16:52:28]

cry_wolf2:

.......

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sebrock:

juski, when doing your theme. Anything special I should consider. The Frontend will not show my theme in the appearance settings

[16:55:23]

juski:

sebrock: you should consider that you insulted my work & that I won't help you develop a theme

[16:55:38]

sebrock:

fuck sake

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juski:

yup

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sebrock:

I never insulted anybody

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sebrock:

I only pointed out that there was some inconsistency from a design perspective

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juski:

I told you I can bear a grudge for a long time

[16:56:31]

juski:

it's not hard. you'll figure it out

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sebrock:

AND I also told you that your theme was the one of my choice at the moment

[16:56:49]

juski:

la la la la I can't hear you

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sebrock:

haha

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thoraxe:

the only way to win an argument is to never have one in the first place

[16:57:13]

sebrock:

and to be the birthdayboy

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sebrock:

I thank you

[16:57:34]

juski:

wucking fanker

[16:57:42]

sebrock:

I better take a shower now

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sebrock:

and fank of to a picture of juski

[16:58:09]

juski:

don't care whose birthday it is – if you're disparaging to somebody who you then ask to help you later, why be surprised when they don't want to help?

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sebrock:

I wont have this argument. I never insulted you.

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cry_wolf2:

wtf ?

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laga:

cry_wolf2: ack

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cry_wolf2:

laga: syn

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cry_wolf2:

hehe

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cry_wolf2:

ohh, this was nice: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/

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laga:

"was"?

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cry_wolf2:

"is" then

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juski:

WAS

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juski:

still need to get Ludo to delete that part

[17:04:12]

juski:

it's way out of date

[17:04:38]

laga:

the page could stay with a link to juski.co.uk i suppose

[17:04:48]

juski:

nah just delete it

[17:04:59]

juski:

google shows up my pages first

[17:05:08]

cry_wolf2:

is/was/are there at newer ?

[17:05:19]

juski:

whoever is linking to the mythtvtalk site is wrong :)

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juski:

cry_wolf2: juski.co.uk

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cry_wolf2:

Found it at google

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juski:

oh ffs

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juski:

and let's not forget all the fake indexes SWiK has built up

[17:06:48]

juski:

I asked for the pages to be deleted or redirected ages ago

[17:07:36]

cry_wolf2:

http://www.google.se/search?q=mythtv+theme number 5

[17:07:46]

cry_wolf2:

6 even

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thoraxe:

maybe i will reformat my sage box this weekend

[17:08:10]

thoraxe:

i need a coax splitter for my office tho

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juski:

ffs people are selling ready-made boxes with my themes on

[17:08:54]

juski:

need to rethink the licence conditions RIGHT NOW

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juski:

course that'll mean having to pull em from SVN but wth

[17:10:08]

juski:

not having people making profit from my own work, it's not on

[17:10:19]

thoraxe:

i'm not all that good with nix, should I give mythdora a whirl?

[17:10:38]

olds:

sure?

[17:10:43]

thoraxe:

juski – wha tlicense are you using currently

[17:10:50]

juski:

thoraxe: GPL

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thoraxe:

olds – as opposed to some other "you're a dummy and this is easy" distro like knoppmyth

[17:10:55]

laga:

juski: if they are GPL, you can't revoke the licence (for the current releases) AFAIK

[17:11:08]

thoraxe:

juski: doesn't that have a stipulation about someone else selling your work as their own?

[17:11:09]

juski:

well I'll just change em again

[17:11:33]

thoraxe:

i haven't read the gpl thoroughly

[17:11:50]

olds:

thoraxe: sure, go with mythdora

[17:12:03]

laga:

juski: just get them to pay you to create themes, that'd be smarter

[17:12:53]

juski:

why? my time is worth more than they can afford

[17:13:11]

cry_wolf2:

lol

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thoraxe:

juski: don't take this the wrong way, it's just a question — if your time is so valuable, why are you creating free themes for myth?

[17:13:41]

thoraxe:

is the personal satisfaction you get from users using the theme greater than the monetary value of being paid for your work?

[17:13:44]

juski:

I'm more pissed at people including them in products they SELL which I don't see any share of

[17:13:45]

thoraxe:

(i'm asking honestly)

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thoraxe:

ok, that's totally understandable

[17:14:03]

thoraxe:

but what share would you want?

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juski:

more than nothing?

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juski:

;)

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thoraxe:

:)

[17:14:54]

thoraxe:

talk to them first?

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thoraxe:

i mean yes you may want to change your license if you feel it has the potential for this to perpetuate, but you never know-- approach them nicely and you might get a share :)

[17:15:43]

laga:

someone might fork your themes

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juski:

if that happens I think it's safe to say I'll wash my hands of theming for good

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laga:

!notice

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MythLogBot:

This channel (#mythtv-users) is logged — http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

[17:17:39]

juski:

serves me right for not taking the time to select the right licence for the job

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xris:

juski: um, gpl doesn't restrict people from selling your code.

[17:18:00]

juski:

is there a licence that does?

[17:18:06]

xris:

creative commons

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juski:

cos if so, I'll move to that

[17:18:21]

xris:

but then it's not compatible with the gpl

[17:18:25]

juski:

so?

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juski:

so they'll have to stay 3rd party

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xris:

yeah

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juski:

I can live with that

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xris:

though like laga said.. current gpl ones are stuck gpl (at least in their current renditions)

[17:19:52]

thoraxe:

olds: do you think fedora is a decent distribution for myth?

[17:19:55]

janneg:

xris: they are probably a seperate works since we are only loading them

[17:20:14]

thoraxe:

olds: i have extraordinarily limited experience with debian, and i have a fair bit of experience with QNX, and I used to use redhat back in the day in a limited fashion

[17:20:16]

janneg:

gpl doesn't make much sence for artwork anyways

[17:20:25]

juski:

I can change a theme sufficiently without affecting how it looks, to ensure it's different enough from the old article

[17:20:33]

thoraxe:

olds: if it gets down to compiling things I am going to get lost real quickly :)

[17:21:24]

xris:

janneg: as long as they're third-party, I think cc license should be fine

[17:21:33]

xris:

heck, for all I know, gpl3 would work, too. haven't had time to read it.

[17:22:01]

olds:

then yea, use mythdora

[17:22:06]

juski:

sure it's gonna mess up anybody who distributes my themes but I've never given a flying f. about them either

[17:22:31]

Dagmar:

You need the Bastard Public Licence.

[17:24:21]

juski:

reality dawning fairly fast – even if I make my stuff CC, I still have to discover people abusing the licence myself & take action on my own behalf

[17:24:39]

Dagmar:

http://www.illusionary.com/bpl.html

[17:24:44]

juski:

I can't fscking win!

[17:24:57]

Dagmar:

Translation: All your rights are belong to us

[17:25:19]

olds:

just send them a letter that you're going to contact your lawyer within 14 days if no action is taken

[17:25:26]

thoraxe:

juski: sadly, that's pretty much the way it goes. it's just like patent law

[17:25:27]

olds:

or rather, that your lawyer will contact them

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thoraxe:

juski: doesn't matter that you have a patent if you're not out there enforcing violations

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thoraxe:

juski: there are companies whose sole purpose is to obtain patents and then sit around waiting for someone to use the technology covered, and then sue

[17:26:24]

juski:

the whole thing about folks profiting from GPL projects has never rested easy with me

[17:26:38]

thoraxe:

so maybe you should do something about it

[17:26:53]

thoraxe:

start a non-profit foundation that defends GPL project creators from thieves

[17:26:57]

juski:

at LRL there'll no doubt be folks wanting to exploit mythtv, like there were at LW Expo last year

[17:27:12]

Dagmar:

I have a solution to that.

[17:27:21]

thoraxe:

isn't that basically waht happened with SageTV?

[17:27:33]

Dagmar:

Make up a batch of incredibly racist/sexist themes.

[17:27:35]

thoraxe:

it started out as free/open source and then they basically went thanks for all the help, dicks, now we're gonna sell this shiznit

[17:28:15]

Dr_willis:

I was working on a Butt Icon theme. :)

[17:28:15]

juski:

I've often thought about selling my themes but that brings 2 problems. 1. users demanding support & 2. piracy

[17:28:19]

xris:

thoraxe: softwarefreedom.org

[17:28:32]

Dagmar:

...or tell them that "it's okay for home use, but if a commercial enterprise wanted to use it, they'd get sued out of their socks"

[17:29:05]

xris:

juski: there may soon/eventually be a way for mythtv devs to get at least a little pay for their work.

[17:29:09]

Dagmar:

"We were approached by some sleazy lawyers who were going to pursue a slap suit against us until they found out we don't have any money."

[17:29:29]

xris:

Dagmar: what project?

[17:29:46]

cry_wolf2:

[17:29:47]

Dagmar:

xris: None. They're just examples of bald-faced lies you can tell ignorant VCs

[17:29:57]

xris:

ahh

[17:30:10]

thoraxe:

xris – is that that robert guy?

[17:30:15]

xris:

thoraxe: huh?

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thoraxe:

the free software foundation guy

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thoraxe:

http://www.fsf.org/ this weirdo

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thoraxe:

heh

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juski:

xris: it's not the money so much as the fact that some cheeky bastards are exploiting GPL projects. I like that folks like my themes & can download em for free. give em away, don't sell em – and especially don't sell em when I don't get a share

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fryfrog:

speaking of gpl bastardization, "sveasoft" is one of those that bugs me

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juski:

if that's the dichotomy the GPL brings, I'm getting away from the GPL

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xris:

thoraxe: Richard Stalman?

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thoraxe:

ah yes

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xris:

but what about him?

[17:34:20]

thoraxe:

nothing i got fsf and the site you linked confused

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thoraxe:

they are not htes ame

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jams:

heh

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juski:

CC, non-commercial, no derivs & attribution will suit me down to the ground

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xris:

ah, yeah. no, softwarefreedom is a law firm that represents open source projects.

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jams:

xris- pm ?

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xris:

sure

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rogermartensson:

I'm trying to burn some DVDs and yes it is working but I seem to have a theme problem. When using the GANT theme I dont get any selection boxes in the DVD menus. It's not that easy to select something if you cant seem to see what you are selecting. :) Anyone here that have seen this "problem"?

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laga:

"exploiting GPL software" how is that possible? just follow the rules and it's fine

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juski:

you know what I mean

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xris:

laga: e.g. TiVo

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Beirdo:

which is why they did GPLv3

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juski:

I just know I'm really not happy about my own work going into products people are selling & I'm not seeing a penny from it

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juski:

now I don't mind people using the stuff for free & not paying anything, because they're not making money out of it

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laga:

then talk to them about it

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juski:

it's too late since I picked the GPL already

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juski:

under that licence they're entitled

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Beirdo:

well there are other licenses that match that point of view, juski, but I don't think GPL's a good match to that.

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RogerM:

Isn't copyright and GPL two different things? Can't one use the copyrightlaws to stop others selling? GPL in it self sure doesn't say anything about that or does it?

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Beirdo:

:(

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laga:

juski: still, talk to them about it and see what happens :)

[17:41:51]

Beirdo:

RogerM, no, not when you gave them license to use it as long as they distribute source

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Beirdo:

if they say THEY wrote it, then copyright law kicks in

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Beirdo:

but if they say juski wrote it, and thank you for your fine work, it bought me a BMW... well.. copyright law doesn't help at all.

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laga:

juski: who's selling your themes?

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Beirdo:

and I can understand how that would make juski irate :)

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juski:

TVease

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juski:

"We might have to go with that bluetube wide for the zodiac."

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Beirdo:

it's good to know that people like your work though. Be nice if they'd toss ya some $$$ from their revenue based on it though.

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fryfrog:

so they aren't selling your themes, more like pre-configured myth systems/

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Beirdo:

unfortunately, nothing compells them to do so

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fryfrog:

er, / -> ?

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juski:

not under the GPL, but if I go CC, it'll prevent them from distributing em in their product

[17:46:10]

juski:

and anybody else

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Beirdo:

yeah.

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fryfrog:

what do you release your themes as now?

[17:46:25]

fryfrog:

er, which license?

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juski:

GPL

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Beirdo:

they can use your last GPL one though

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fryfrog:

ah

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juski:

yeah, but I won't release any updates under the GPL

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juski:

I oculd even rename them all

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Beirdo:

but as you said, you can just change it after that, make it cooler, and not GPL for the cooler ones :)

[17:46:49]

fryfrog:

honestly, as long as they are following the GPL i could care less

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juski:

fryfrog: you spend hours of blood & sweat making something which you give away

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fryfrog:

and then they turn around and make money off it

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fryfrog:

what do you think redhat does?

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juski:

fryfrog: then some guy comes along & starts making money by selling a product incorporating your own work. you don't get a cent...

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juski:

some people stand for that. I don't, and won't

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Beirdo:

how do you think the authors of busybox feel :)

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fryfrog:

then don't bitch and moan about it

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Beirdo:

hey, people have the right to bitch and moan

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laga:

Beirdo: or this linus guy

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Beirdo:

why else would we be here?

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fryfrog:

just a) don't release anything to the public or b) put it not under GPL

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juski:

fryfrog: I'm gonna go for option b)

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fryfrog:

I mean at least find someone who is *actually* violating the GPL, not just violating how you feel

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fryfrog:

like linksys and their linux based router!

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fryfrog:

now there was a group to be pissed at

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juski:

my side IS the thin end of the wedge I know, but it's MY side

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Beirdo:

yeah, busybox people got several of those companies to supply soruce

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fryfrog:

eventually they righted themselves with the GPL and we got all these nice things like dd-wrt, etc

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Beirdo:

and got linksys to change to vxworks (blech)

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fryfrog:

yeah, but they do still have their "linux" router

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Beirdo:

true

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fryfrog:

and buffalo and a bunch of *other* router makers still make broadcom based boards

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fryfrog:

in fact, those are better than the original linksys ones :)

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fryfrog:

you played with the dd-wrt firmware?

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Beirdo:

nah, I use openwrt

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

is that primarily CLI or web based?

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Beirdo:

CLI, thankfully :)

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

i'm afraid of cli on teh router, i've always sucked at iptables/chains

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fryfrog:

dd-wrt i think is based on open-wrt (from some point, i think?)

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Beirdo:

think so

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laga:

fryfrog: x-wrt is nice for openwrt, but they're behind their schedule it seems

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fryfrog:

but it has hands down the best web gui i have ever seen, including all the "commercial" routers i've setup for friends

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Beirdo:

I use it on my wrt54g boxes which I only use for wireless AP really

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

ah, web interface for openwrt

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Beirdo:

my router is a Sun Ultra 5 with OpenBSD

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Beirdo:

:)

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fryfrog:

ahah, i barely excersize my wrt54g

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fryfrog:

i can't imagine wasting a "real" computer on it

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

it's actually routing though

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fryfrog:

i used to use 486/P1/P2's with IPCOP or FREESCO

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fryfrog:

but even that was overkill / to big

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fryfrog:

ah, not just NAT?

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Beirdo:

internal lan, external (cable modem), two different wireless setups

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

and still have 1 more available interface :)

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fryfrog:

with what, 10 or 15 clients? :p

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Beirdo:

have the onboard ethernet plus a quad fast ethernet in there

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Beirdo:

ummm, just under 10, I think

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fryfrog:

still sounds a little overkill :)

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Beirdo:

yeah BUT....

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Beirdo:

the hax0rs out there will find it more difficult to get around

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Beirdo:

1) Sparc64 architecture

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fryfrog:

hehe

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Beirdo:

2) OpenBSD

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

that combo doesn't have many exploits out, it's just too rare :)

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Beirdo:

and heck, the Ultra 5 was free

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Beirdo:

I could do it REAL overkill (if my wife would let me)

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Beirdo:

turn on the Sun Enterprise 4500

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

but that would nearly double our electricity bill

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ubuntuEdgy:

dose any one have a good guide on how to compile mythtv , i have found this but im still confused http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:MJVI7teU . . . =1&gl=uk

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laga:

ubuntuEdgy: what confuses you?

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fryfrog:

Beirdo: E4500, those are the ones about the size of a small end table right?

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RogerM:

I've always found the docs at mythtv.org to be rather good.

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ubuntuEdgy:

every thing about svn and compiling

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Beirdo:

yup

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fryfrog:

er, well maybe a medium end table :)

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Beirdo:

and ours is nearly fully loaded

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Beirdo:

got 8 CPUs, 8GB RAM

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Beirdo:

we have 10 CPUs but the last 2 are a lower speed and slows it all down, so I yanked that board

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laga:

ubuntuEdgy: read more.

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ubuntuEdgy:

laga for ezample do i compile on the frontend and the move the compiled stuff to the backend and install it

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok

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ubuntuEdgy:

i will

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ubuntuEdgy:

example * :D

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fryfrog:

but you don't power it on? :)

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fryfrog:

neither would i :)

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Beirdo:

right now it's off

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I really should turn that baby on and install Solaris 10

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laga:

ubuntuEdgy: you could do that or compile twice (on both computers)

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Beirdo:

but my wife needs to bring home the CDs as it doesn't have a DVD-ROM

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laga:

what would you do with such a system?

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fryfrog:

i wonder how it compares, grunt wise to modern hardware

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Beirdo:

likely a little less grunt than my AMD64 boxes, but I bet I could run it at a load average of 300 and not notice any difference

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fryfrog:

laga: you talking about Beirdo's E4500?

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fryfrog:

Beirdo: yeah, and run 8x commflagging threads at once!

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Beirdo:

I'd use it for learning Solaris 10 better... with domains and the whole bit

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laga:

fryfrog: yes

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fryfrog:

back when they were modern, i'd say they'd be decent DB servers and web servers

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fryfrog:

at least, that is what we used them for

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fryfrog:

actually, "decent" is to weak a word :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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fryfrog:

they were great db servers and web servers

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Beirdo:

yeah, they are workhorses to be sure

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fryfrog:

with *software* raid, they were awful file servers though :(

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Beirdo:

we were offered one for free, and I took it :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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ubuntuEdgy:

this is the most challenging thing I'm ever going to do in linux , I have been putting this off for weeks now.

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Beirdo:

and no, it's not stolen

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fryfrog:

i dunno if they had hardware raid for them at the time, but *we* didn't spring for hardware raid and had to ditch using them in software mode

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fryfrog:

it was way to slow

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Beirdo:

they are more designed for external storage... like an A1000 or some other external RAID or disk shelf

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Beirdo:

this puppy has 4 SCSI busses :)

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fryfrog:

yeah, but the ones we had (and they sound simliar) had like 20+ disk slots!

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fryfrog:

i'm *sure* they had hardware raid cards available at the time, don't you think?

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Beirdo:

the 4500 can have a disk slot... but it holds 2 drives... that's it, you NEED external storage to do much

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fryfrog:

we had em back in about 1999 i'd say, maybe a little earlier

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Beirdo:

oh, and I have 2 fiber channel cards :)

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Beirdo:

and nothing to use em with

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fryfrog:

humm, maybe i'm thinking of a different sun box

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Beirdo:

heh

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fryfrog:

connect them together? :)

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Beirdo:

just waiting for a FC disk shelf to be surplussed :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Lunar_Lamp:

ubuntuEdgy, I'm possibly asking out of term, but if you're running ubuntu edgy, are you sure you want to compile from scratch and not install the prebuilt packages?

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thoraxe:

i would love to build a crazy raid server for the house, but i have to get the house wired up first

[18:07:08]

Lunar_Lamp:

s/term/turn

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thoraxe:

previous owners ran coax outside and there are no data drops anywhere

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Beirdo:

my wife works for a Sun partner... I hope to work there soon too if they get a contract for me to work on

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thoraxe:

so when it gets a little cooler i will do audio/phone/data/coax drops in all of the rosm

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thoraxe:

... /s/rosm/rooms

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fryfrog:

Beirdo: nice :)

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fryfrog:

Sun/Solaris is one of the 2 or 3 things I'd like to learn more (and get certified in)

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thoraxe:

we used to have sparcstations at school

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fryfrog:

Once the wo-man has a job, I really need to dig in

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Beirdo:

yeah, she's been bugging me to get certified

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thoraxe:

i couldn't get my audio CD out of it so i ended up hard rebooting one

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ubuntuEdgy:

hi lunar_lamp, i need to update my name. I now use feisty on my frontend (but i use edgy on my backend)

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Beirdo:

I keep telling her, if someone else pays for it, I'll do it

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fryfrog:

ahhaha

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fryfrog:

yeah, thats my problem

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fryfrog:

certs and training are to expensive for me to afford!

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Lunar_Lamp:

ubuntuEdgy, ok, well, I have both the front and backend working on feisty using the repository packages with no compiling necessary.

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ubuntuEdgy:

but i suppose your right , i also have a bug I'm hopping the svn will fix

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Beirdo:

I think the first Solaris cert is about $500

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fryfrog:

I'm running feisty on FE & BE, but I use the svn -fixes branch

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fryfrog:

for the *test* or the class?

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Beirdo:

or if I work for my wife's employer... free to me.

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Beirdo:

the test

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fryfrog:

I think I'd need a class

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Beirdo:

I think that's what I was told

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fryfrog:

and for it to be useful where *I* work now, I need to do Solaris 6 – 10 :/

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

just do Solaris 8 or 9, then 10

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fryfrog:

we have a poor little solaris 6 web server that is just choking on itself

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Beirdo:

kill it

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Beirdo:

:)

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fryfrog:

its as well used as a $20 crack whore

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Beirdo:

been there, had that problem

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ubuntuEdgy:

Lunar_Lamp: are you single seat client ?

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fryfrog:

getting the higher ups to do anything to "improve" the environment here seems to be an uphill battle :(

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Lunar_Lamp:

ubuntuEdgy, currently yes I'm afraid, haven't tested the backend remotely yet (though all my machines with X installed feisty anyway)

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fryfrog:

"Its been working since 1998, what do you mean we need to improve it!"

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ubuntuEdgy:

Lunar_Lamp: are you able to forward at 5x speed ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

could you check for me please

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Beirdo:

"it will die tomorrow, can we PLEASE get some new equipment first?"

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Lunar_Lamp:

ubuntuEdgy, whereabouts? dvd? tv? video playback?

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fryfrog:

ahahah, exactly :p

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fryfrog:

"Sun END OF LIFED this hardware 4 *YEARS* ago!! please, let us get new ones!

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ubuntuEdgy:

recorded tv playback

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Lunar_Lamp:

(I have to go now – I shall be back within 30mins or so – sorry)

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Lunar_Lamp:

Hmm, I don' thave any recorded tv playback yet I'm afraid – tv card doesn't arrive til a few day

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thoraxe:

fryfrog: just find some crappy computer to replace it and then break the sun

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Beirdo:

thoraxe, the problem is... sun hardware just keeps trucking along... but when it eventually breaks, it will be so far out of contract, it's not funny

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thoraxe:

coffee fixes everything.

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thoraxe:

lol

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fryfrog:

i'd go out and just stomp on it... but its in another datacenter, plus then i'd have a bunch of people calling to complain *and* i'd get fired :(

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thoraxe:

pfy?

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Beirdo:

nah, just rip it outta the rack and take it home to play with

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** Beirdo slaps ncurses **

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Beirdo:

draw my hlines on startup, bastard!

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ubuntuEdgy:

also could you check this for me , go to (setup,tv settings, playback, on "preferred MPEG decoder" check that you have "ffmpeg" on the list

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ubuntuEdgy:

lunar_lamp?

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fryfrog:

14:14 < Lunar_Lamp> (I have to go now – I shall be back within 30mins or so – sorry)

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ubuntuEdgy:

thx fryfrog

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juski:

bah! new planning rules mean that the big F.O. sat dish on the front of the house on the other side of my street is legal. New size limit is 100cm

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juski:

100cm! FFS

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juski:

is this week only going to get worse?

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Tanthrix:

Yes.

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juski:

how did the UK govt. manage to sneak the change in legislation past everybody anyway? what next? 1.5m dishes are legal to put on the front of a house in full view?

[18:45:27]

juski:

I noticed their dish isn't 2.5 drunks off the ground though, not that I'm the sort of person to take the law into my own hands..

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thoraxe:

i think what's nex is no cars that go faster than 100mph

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thoraxe:

hha

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cry_wolf2:

What are you talking about ? Is sishes not legal in uk if they are biggern than 100cm ?

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cry_wolf2:

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juski:

cry_wolf2: a guy across the road from my house has put a dish on the front of his house. It's 90cm diameter and is legal without planning permission :(

[18:46:37]

thoraxe:

is that bigger than a normal sat dish?

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juski:

anything bigger than 100cm needs special permission

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fryfrog:

thats horrible!

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cry_wolf2:

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juski:

the legal limit used to be 90cm dishes

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thoraxe:

90cm doesn't sound that big

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thoraxe:

35"

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thoraxe:

*36"

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cry_wolf2:

Over here there is only rules for people living in flats....because of the risk of a dish falling and hitting someone

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thoraxe:

it's not that much bigger than the standard dish they give out for normal satellite tv here

[18:49:50]

juski:

thoraxe: on the front of somebody's house, on the street, in plain view? it's ugly as f...

[18:50:38]

cry_wolf2:

Let him use you backend then, so he can take it down :)

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laga:

juski: get him one of those: http://www.efco.ch/Ue/produkte/technisat/imag . . . N_Smiley.jpg

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thoraxe:

juski – satellite tv must obviously not be popular in your neighborhood

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thoraxe:

wait until every house on your block has one

[18:53:17]

juski:

thoraxe: oh plenty people have dishes.. just not that big

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thoraxe:

so what's the "normal" size

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juski:

most are the BSB mini-dishes, not that thing which is used for $foreign tv

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juski:

and the other issue is, the same channels they're using a dish for can be had on cable, no need for a fscking dish in the 1st place!

[18:54:35]

juski:

and to put it on the front of their house in full view is just IGNORANT

[18:56:18]

juski:

anyway. FA I can do about it :(

[18:56:20]

RogerM:

maybe the dish is cheaper than the cable? :)

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juski:

lowers the tone of the area :(

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juski:

got an email from tvease already, offerring me some kind of arrangement where they give me links from their site & full credit. still gonna move to CC licencing

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cry_wolf2:

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Beirdo:

juski, CC does seem to match your goals better :)

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juski:

and the mythbuntu guys et al.. if my conditions don't suit em it's hard cheese

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Beirdo:

yeah, what do they want for free?

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cry_wolf2:

hmm, tvease have funny wiki. The screenshots in myth vs windows have an norwegian tvshow in one of the pictures.

[19:01:59]

cry_wolf2:

But they seem to be an uk/us company ?

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my2keh:

What keys do I use to adjust the brightness? Like I know "F", but how do I increase it

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my2keh:

? Like Up/Down doesn't work, same with +/-

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Lunar_Lamp:

[19:20:04] <ubuntuEdgy> also could you check this for me , go to (setup,tv settings, playback, on "preferred MPEG decoder" check that you have "ffmpeg" on the list <== it's not there as ffmpeg – but standard is there which uses the ffmpeg library

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binks:

ok i have a dvb adapter but if i try to scan with it i get open '/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0': 1 Operation not permitted

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my2keh:

what kind of dvb card?

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binks:

its a loopback from dvb-c

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my2keh:

ahhh

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my2keh:

and if you do a ls -l /dev/dvb/adapter1

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my2keh:

do you see anything?

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binks:

yes i get an output

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my2keh:

do you see frontend0 in there?

[19:20:31]

binks:

yes

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my2keh:

what are the permissions?

[19:21:53]

binks:

crw-rw---- 1 root video 212, 67 2007-07–02 23:24 frontend0

[19:23:02]

my2keh:

hmmm

[19:23:04]

my2keh:

same as mine

[19:23:25]

my2keh:

that's about the extent of my knowledge heh

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binks:

i do get this error when i start the adapter >> sched_setscheduler: Operation not permitted

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Beirdo:

are you scanning as root?

[19:24:27]

binks:

no

[19:24:28]

Beirdo:

or at least a user in the video group?

[19:24:32]

binks:

but i can try

[19:24:56]

Beirdo:

the permissions on that device say that only root or a user in the video group can access the device

[19:25:06]

binks:

how do i add binks to video

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binks:

same if i sudo scan

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do_kev:

hey guys.. I'm trying to watch tv with mythtv, but when I go to "Watch TV" all I see is a green screen. I have tvtime installed and it works fine, so I don't believe the issue is hardware related.. any thoughts?

[19:26:37]

Beirdo:

the old-school way is to edit /etc/group (as root) and find the line startign with video:

[19:26:45]

Beirdo:

add binks after the last colon

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binks:

cheers Beirdo

[19:27:01]

binks:

gis a sec

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Beirdo:

there's likely frontend programs to do it for you nicely

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Beirdo:

you'll likely have to re-login to see it take effect

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binks:

already there video:x:44:binks,mythtv

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Beirdo:

ok, it's likely some other issue then

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Beirdo:

dunno what

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juski:

binks: mythtv doesn't really support dvb loopback devices – they're usually legally dubious anyway

[19:32:51]

Lunar_Lamp:

Hmm, ok, no matter what I set mythtv to do on dvd insert (play, nothing, show menu) it always just shows the folder structure of the dvd when I insert the dvd (or start mythtv with a dvd inserted). This still occurs when I turn off "monitor cd/dvd drives". I'm sure this is something I'm doing wrong, but could someone point me in the right direction please.

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binks:

juski: point taken thanks anyhow i tried to keep it vague enough not to be wrong

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my2keh:

What keys do I use to adjust the brightness? Like I know "F", but how do I increase it

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my2keh:

? Like Up/Down doesn't work, same with +/-

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janneg:

the loopback device itself aren't legally dubious

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janneg:

+s

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juski:

just the stuff behind the loopback device.. the daemon ;)

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binks:

is there a rc where peeps will discuss loopback

[19:35:19]

binks:

irc

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juski:

nope

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juski:

it's all underground

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juski:

funny, that...

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my2keh:

anyone?

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my2keh:

plus/minus? Doesn't seem to move it

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juski:

my2keh: the docs tell all :)

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janneg:

and as long as they act in the same way as regular devices the backend won't notice it

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my2keh:

juski>> I read the using mythtv from mythtv.org, it only tells how to bring UP the brigtness thing, using "F"

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janneg:

juski: there are network network daemons

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my2keh:

but not the key to increase/decrease

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olds:

juski: loopback devices work fine

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juski:

my2keh: "F rotate between the various Picture Adjustments (Colour, Hue, etc.) While Picture Adjustment is on-screen, use Left and Right arrows to adjust. These settings adjust the look of the video playback, and are independent of the G-key settings used at record-time."

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binks:

juckis point is not to talk about them here

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olds:

well, I'm just saying they work fine in mythtv

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my2keh:

hmmm darned left/right arrows don't move it

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juski:

anyway I should shuffle off & go change all references to GPL in my works

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Beirdo:

relicensing party at juski's house

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laga:

starring "grep" and "sed"

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Beirdo:

one of my neighbors is a real ass

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juski:

kicking myself though – I mean of ALL times to make a policy decision like that!

[19:40:50]

Beirdo:

why do I smell wood smoke... in Puerto Rico?!

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Beirdo:

it's like 90F out and some dillhole's burning maple

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juski:

uhhh

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binks is now known as binks_

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Beirdo:

and no, it's not a house burning, the houses here are made of cement :)

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binks_:

olds: can i pm you

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Lunar_Lamp:

Sorry for the repeat, but, no matter what I set mythtv to do on dvd insert (play, nothing, show menu) it always just shows the folder structure of the dvd when I insert the dvd (or start mythtv with a dvd inserted). This still occurs when I turn off "monitor cd/dvd drives".

[19:44:29]

Lunar_Lamp:

I'm sure this is something I'm doing wrong, but could someone point me in the right direction please.

[19:44:43]

Beirdo:

!url google

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MythLogBot:

google: http://www.google.com/

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** Beirdo is a smartass **

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Lunar_Lamp:

Beirdo, I'd google if I had any idea what the problem could be :-/

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Beirdo:

couldn't say. I use a DVD player for my DVDs :)

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juski:

maybe it's not mythtv doing it!

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laga:

so. how come i didn't see people in here talking about that recent FCC regulation? the cable companies can't force you to use their cable boxes any more.

[19:48:55]

juski:

maybe it's the OS!

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** juski feels he's stirred quite enough shit for today **

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Lunar_Lamp:

juski, it is I think – think I've found the answer, heh

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Beirdo:

laga, they are too preoccupied worrying about zap2it, I bet

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laga:

Beirdo: OH MY GOD zap2it is closing!

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

OMG, I don't care :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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juski:

"This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 License

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juski:

"

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olds:

binks: you can pm me

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mkrufky:

laga: hi again ;-)

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olds:

doesn't mean I'll respond, but have it

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olds:

*at

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mkrufky:

laga: do you have a link to the fcc think you're talking about? im curious

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mkrufky:

s/think/thing

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Beirdo:

juski, you might want to actually include the precise license in a file too

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Beirdo:

there are so many CC variants, it would reduce confusion :)

[19:56:27]

juski:

Beirdo: plan ;)

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juski:

not sure where that leaves the themes already checked into svn though...

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Beirdo:

they are still GPL

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juski:

certainly not planning to keep them updated

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Beirdo:

and as such, others can update them, and they remain GPL. or they can rot :)

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juski:

so er.. effectively, it's too farking late for me to bother changing my mind

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laga:

mkrufky: only a german one :) i'll get you something...

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Beirdo:

well, you could take them out of SVN too, I guess, but if anyone already has it, they have the right to redistribute it under the same license

[19:58:36]

juski:

folks could download the more limited CC licenced themes from my site, or just check out the GPL'd ones...

[19:58:37]

mkrufky:

if you're the only contributor, then you can change the license... it's never too late

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janneg:

mkrufky: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/conten . . . 0_146146.htm

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Beirdo:

GPL is viral that way

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Beirdo:

mkrufky, it IS too late for the previous versions

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laga:

thanks janneg

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juski:

not gonna go down well if I just svn del the lot though is it

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mkrufky:

thanks janneg & laga

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Beirdo:

but if they magically disappear, what can anyone do about it but whine?

[19:59:41]

Beirdo:

no, it likely wouldn't ;)

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juski:

though right now they may aswell not even be there for all the people that know about em

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juski:

if I'd not seen what tvease were up to this wouldn't be going on now

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visit0r:

Program #241 not found in PAT! getting these in my log and programs don't get recorded. any ideas? DB breakage again?

[20:00:51]

juski:

before today I'd always thought there was a chance it'd happen & I'd take the risk & go for the greater good

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olds:

do you have a diseqc switch?

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olds:

visit0r

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visit0r:

olds: hmmh? what's that? I'm on DVB-C.

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olds:

oh, nm

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olds:

DVB-S stuff

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binks_:

thats qam64 then visit0r

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juski:

means they might be using a non-standard transmission scheme

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juski:

and it's not necessarily qam64

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visit0r:

hmmh might try to rescan the channel list or something...

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binks_:

ok shot down again ill keep quiet

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olds:

binks, did you want to ask me something in pm?

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binks_:

i did

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olds:

and I responded

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binks_:

cant see your responsein the pm

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binks_:

you need a reg nick to pm

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juski:

are there any OSS licences that expressly forbid commercial use that software can use?

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Beirdo:

probably. take a look over GNU's licensing comparison page would be my suggestion

[20:05:36]

juski:

there's still no wizard to help you choose though – it's a bloody minefield

[20:05:45]

Beirdo:

yeah

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juski:

CC have it sussed – you can easily choose which of theirs to pick

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juski:

they even have natty little icons that show you what it all means

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juski:

this is a damn mess. I shouldn't have submitted my themes in the 1st place if I knew I felt this strongly

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juski:

I might end up letting it go damnit. it's not like anybody's a mythtv millionaire yet but I'll say I've learned my lesson & from now on any future work will be CC

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Beirdo:

will save you some stress

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olds:

gah

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olds:

k

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janneg:

visit0r: are you sure the program is still there? rescanning will help

[20:10:00]

visit0r:

janneg: yeah, also I get this: "Invalid inversion, aborting, falling back to 'auto'... so you are probably right

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visit0r:

janneg: some chan has changed its settings

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janneg:

visit0r: the inversion shouldn't cause problem

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janneg:

s

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mkrufky:

thanks for that link, janneg .... looks like we're in for new cablecard nda debates all over again

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angie:

i just bought a tv card with driver Conexant CX23880. i always get unable to retrieve channel list. how can i check if my card works. cat /dev/v4l/video0 shows nothing. how can i fix this?

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laga:

by being more specific

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Beirdo:

we trained him well :)

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angie:

how can i check how my driver works? should cat /dev/v4l/video0 give something back?

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mkrufky:

hehe... you should hang out in #php — you aint seen nothin yet

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mkrufky:

angie: dmesg | grep cx88

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mkrufky:

angie: throw the output onto http://rafb.net/paste

[20:19:51]

mkrufky:

you'll probably find that you no longer have any questions, after doing so

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angie:

yep. first line: cx88[0]: Your board isn't known (yet) to the driver.

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angie:

:s

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mkrufky:

so, you'll have to either a) upgrade to newer drivers....

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laga:

mkrufky: i'm scared now

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mkrufky:

or b) after upgrading and still dont have support, you may have to add it yourself

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mkrufky:

angie: there is good info in the v4lwiki, "how to add support for a new card" .. see http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki

[20:21:31]

angie:

its a videoMate X200

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mkrufky:

angie: using an xc3028 tuner, huh?

[20:21:52]

mkrufky:

...or is that an xc2028

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juski:

!trout GPL stupid

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** MythLogBot slaps GPL with a stupid trout on behalf of juski... **

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angie:

CX23880

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mkrufky:

TUNER

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mkrufky:

cx23880 is the pci bridge / broadcast decoder

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angie:

how can i see this?

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mkrufky:

two easy steps

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mkrufky:

1) pull out the card

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mkrufky:

2) look at it

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mkrufky:

if the card has a 'tin can' on it, then you need to know what is written on this 'tin can'

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mkrufky:

however, i suspect that instead, you'll find a tiny little chip, labeled, xc2028

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angie:

ok brb :)

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visit0r:

janneg: yep, they have changed the channel settings, but when trying to tune I get "Found channel, but it doesn't match existing tsid..." I recall someone fixing a bug similiar to this in our network (TTV Tampere Finland)... I wonder if this is related

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cry_wolf2:

00:0a.2 Multimedia controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder

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cry_wolf2:

Hauppauge computer works Inc. Nova-T DVB-T Model 909

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cry_wolf2:

my lspci if it helps

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mkrufky:

lspci never helps

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cry_wolf2:

oh, he left

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laga:

juski: f'ing hypocrite ;)

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juski:

laga: I can pull my themes from SVN, but that'd put me in the other devs' bad books- otherwise just leave them but effectively just fork my own work?! No point

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juski:

it's too late to change my mind

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juski:

no new works under the GPL though – learned my lesson well this time

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juski:

anyway even if I did do svn del on my themes anybody else with commit privs could reverse it

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juski:

resistance is futile!

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laga:

juski: i was referring to #mythtv ;)

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juski:

not that much different now anyway – I mean I was oblivious until today

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juski:

eh?

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juski:

folks are encouraged to help out? heheh yeah – unless their name is *******

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laga:

juski: anywqays, wrt your themes: don't dwell on it. get easetv to link back to you and use CC from now on

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juski:

I can't undo what's been checked into SVN – all my frikin work!

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visit0r:

janneg: does not seem to happen with all transports, and I noted this ticket: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3640 :-/

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juski:

well i could, but that'd get me kicked off the dev tree

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visit0r:

janneg: any place in the code I could start poking?

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angie:

cx23880–19 is the only description on my tv-card

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mkrufky:

angie: do you have a digital camera?

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angie:

no, i don't :x

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angie:

i'll google for a picture

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heanol:

i just installed backend+frontend on an older comp (600MHz, geforce 6200), livetv is really jerky and says "prebuffer pause" in the log

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heanol:

is the computer too slow?

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heanol:

the cpu usage seems to be only 80%

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heanol:

so it shouldnt cause the choppyness :|

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juski:

if you're trying to use software encoding, yes

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heanol:

yes

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juski:

too slow!

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heanol:

but wouldn't i see 100% cpu usage then?

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clever:

even 1.6ghz cant handle software encoding on my system

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clever:

that last 20% might be io wait

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heanol:

nope.

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heanol:

no wait

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clever:

20% idle?

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heanol:

you're right, the other 20% is system

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clever:

thats probly time spent in the kernel mode

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clever:

for the drivers

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heanol:

yeah

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heanol:

damn ;(

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clever:

who wants to donate money so we can both get better cards?:P

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heanol:

hehe

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juski:

you could always sell GPL software to unsuspecting buyers :-P

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heanol:

i think i'm gonna get a new comp instead

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clever:

juski: what if i just sold it for the price of the hardware and a little bit for the labor

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clever:

then im not realy making money off the mythtv itself

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heanol:

juski, there's lots of that on ebay

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clever:

im just being paid to assemble and install it

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cry_wolf2:

Then you are making money

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clever:

but im not realy selling the software:P

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heanol:

well that should be legal?

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angie:

mkrufky, http://www.pc3w.com/Files/UpFiles/2006/8/2006886444547.jpg is a pic of the chip with the only thing written on it

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heanol:

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clever:

maybe add a maintanance plan

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clever:

5$/month:P

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clever:

and i'll fix any problems it has

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mkrufky:

angie: that's the one chip whose model number we DO NOT need

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heanol:

is it possible to get a mythtv-box to hibernate while not in use and wake up automatically for scheduled recordings?

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angie:

mkrufky, its the only thing on the card

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clever:

not shure but it is posible for it to fully shutdown and startup for that

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juski:

heanol: yeah. see the wiki

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clever:

cant be hard to mod it for hibernate

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xris:

clever: nothing illegal about charging for gpl software

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mkrufky:

angie: so, the card just doesnt have a tuner?

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heanol:

hmm

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clever:

xris: nice:P, now i just need a customer base...:P

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heanol:

i'm pondering about whether to get a mATX or some mini-itx system

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juski:

time to mess with a lircrc file.. oh how I enjoy that

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angie:

on the box its says LOw-profile PCI TV tuner and capture card so i suppose it does

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heanol:

i tried using my wiimote as a remote but i ran through batteries very fast :(

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xris:

clever: don't forget that your customers will also probably end up having to pay $$ to get tv listings...

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mkrufky:

well, you looked on the card and the cx23880–19 is the only chip? that means there is no tuner

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clever:

thats bluetooth so getting the interface done would be posibly easyer

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mkrufky:

...unless there is a 'tin can'

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clever:

xris: if they are all in this town

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cry_wolf2:

Is it this ? http://www.comprousa.com/New/en/product/x200x . . . eatures.html

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clever:

xris: and all on the same cable provider

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clever:

xris: then they can get the free zap2it that im also getting for free

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angie:

mkrufky, http://www.comprousa.com/New/en/product/x200x50/p-2.jpg this is a pic of the card

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mkrufky:

great, slick

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mkrufky:

:-)

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mkrufky:

that's an xceive tuner

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angie:

xceive tuner?

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mkrufky:

yes...

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mkrufky:

your call to the help support functurn returns -EOUTOFLUCK

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mkrufky:

fucntion

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mkrufky:

function

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mkrufky:

blah .... anyway, you must add support for this new card yourself

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angie:

so it isnt supported yet?

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xris:

clever: free zap2it goes away in 2 months

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mkrufky:

and you'll have quite a hard time doing so, with that xceive tuner./... sorry to say

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clever:

xris: damnit:P

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clever:

any other free services that may cover canada?

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angie:

ok thats already very helpfull. now i know that

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xris:

clever: sorry. People are working on a low-cost deal, and we will let the community know when things have finalized.

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clever:

ahh:(

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mkrufky:

angie: here is more advice.... but beware.....

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angie:

yes?

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mkrufky:

angie: there is a repository hosted on http://mcentral.de/hg that has support for the xceive tuner

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mkrufky:

angie: this is a fork of the v4l/dvb devel tree

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mkrufky:

angie: the work being done there will never go to the mainline kernel

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juski:

got some weird behaviour going on with SVN trunk here

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mkrufky:

thats about all i can tell you

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angie:

hmm ok will try this. ill let u guys know if it works

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mkrufky:

good luck

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mkrufky:

oh, it's NOT going to work

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mkrufky:

you have to still write code

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angie:

ow. never wrote code for kernel :s

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angie:

this sucks

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mkrufky:

angie: http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki ... see the section "how to add support for a new card"

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mkrufky:

angie: and you need to read the GPIO section also

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mkrufky:

angie: if you need more help, ask in #v4l

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mkrufky:

angie: but i already gave you all the info you need

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angie:

ok thx for the info mkrufky

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mkrufky:

good luck angie ... you'll need it

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angie:

think i just gonna buy a now one and experiment with this one

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juski:

wow. button names called * in lircrc are wildcards :-\

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juski:

saw unexpected actions with a button = * – renamed it to 'star' – now all is well. strangeness

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clever:

lol

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Como:

have any of you tried CLI burning of ISO images on a mythbox? growisofs is burning at less than 1X on my mythbox, and i cant for the life of me see why

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cry_wolf2:

What burner ?

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juski:

mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg -h 192.168.1.25

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mkrufky:

all i'm missing now is access to juski's internal network

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juski:

heh

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mkrufky:

ok, im leaving... happy tuesday @ all

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juski:

cheers. and you

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juski:

wheee segfault!

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janneg:

mkrufky: good night

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mkrufky:

goodnight

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** mkrufky going for real, now **

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mkrufky:

:-)

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** laga beers gbee **

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gbee:

what have I done now?

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gbee:

:)

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laga:

gbee: you said you were tired :)

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laga:

gbee: i'm cross-posting all the time because i don't wanna flood the dev channel with my oddities :)

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gbee:

heh, ok – didn't connect with what I'd said in the other channel

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gbee:

wish I had some beer actually

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laga:

let's have a beer donation run

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juski:

got 2 A3 posters to advertise the badges this time

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juski:

should sell loads & buy plenty beers :D

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jams:

transformers was a fairly decent movie

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chandoo:

Hi :)

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chandoo:

I always had problem with mythbackend

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chandoo:

Mythbackend is dead but pid file exists

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jams:

didn't even notice it was over two hours long

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jams:

chandoo- sounds like a problem with the init script, or improper shutdown

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chandoo:

I restarted backend but still problem persists

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chandoo:

Jams: how to fix this issue

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GreyFoxx:

jams: I saw Transformers last night, I loved it

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GreyFoxx:

and plan to see it again :)

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jams:

chandoo- it could be many things. you will just need to play around to see when the problem occurs

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chandoo:

[root@localhost ~]# service mythbackend statusmythbackend dead but pid file exists

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jams:

GreyFoxx- a bit to many close up shots at time, but still good

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jams:

chandoo- so remove the old pidfile

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jams:

if you look in the init script it will show where it thinks the pid file is

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jams:

ugh, nothing worse then getting spam when your expecting an email

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chandoo:

Jams: i has deleted /var/run/mythbackend.pid but still the same problem

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chandoo:

I also edited init script of mythbackend and made chmod 777 /var/run/mythbackend.pid still doesnt work

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chandoo:

I am using fc7

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jams:

chandoo- is mythbackend running at all?

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chandoo:

When i start out put says ok

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chandoo:

But the status is throwing this error

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jams:

chandoo- don't know..really seems like an init script error and nothing with mythtv

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chandoo:

Okay let me do some research on this

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chandoo:

I also had some junk char in weather

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jams:

chandoo- mythweather is broken at the moment

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chandoo:

For weather?

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jams:

nothing you did =)

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jams:

yes

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chandoo:

Okay

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jams:

don't know when it's going to be fixed either

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