Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, July 2nd, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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phillywhitetrash:

and i imagine the mythdora software is compiled for 32 bit also

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achew22:

phillywhitetrash, Quote from http://g-ding.tv/?q=FAQ: "Q Hey any chance on getting a 64bit version of MythDora? A. NOPE !!!"

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achew22:

thats the official FAQ from them

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phillywhitetrash:

understand, if i want it i compile it myself

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phillywhitetrash:

thenks

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achew22:

the OS is running in 32 bit so even if you compile it wont be 64 bit

[00:01:39]

phillywhitetrash:

with an a

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phillywhitetrash:

are there 64bit linux kernels yet?

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achew22:

phillywhitetrash, go get a copy of Fedora or Ubuntu and install from there — its not as painful as you'd think

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achew22:

there are GREAT tutorials online and if you need help walking through it I just did it (over the course of thel ast hour)

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phillywhitetrash:

ok thanks

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achew22:

phillywhitetrash, there is a great support community that tends to center around this room and if I can't answer anything there are people in here thousands of times smarter than me

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achew22:

phillywhitetrash, I'd start with ubuntu64bit if I were you though — that tends to have good success rates for new people

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Daviey:

phillywhitetrash: :)

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achew22:

we support white trash roun' here

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phillywhitetrash:

i am not new to linux, but knowing hardware support for linux can be spotty thats why i asked

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achew22:

phillywhitetrash, the hardest part of my install for ubuntu was going to the admin menu and clicking the "install proprietary drivers" menu item and checking a box then clicking okay... its really quite easy

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Daviey:

achew22: Woooooh slow down cowboy

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Lunar_Lamp:

I have a couple of smallish issues with DVD playback. Playback is fine when started manually, but when I try to get auto-play mythtv just opens the folders on the DVD (revealing 2 folders – audio_ts and video_ts – each apparently empty). Secondly, and less importantly – when I eject from the DVD menu, the disc ejects fine, but mythtv gives an error saying "could not eject /dev/hdc"

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achew22:

lol

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Daviey:

Lunar_Lamp: what happens if you run $eject /dev/hdc from the console?

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Lunar_Lamp:

Daviey, works nicely, with no error message.

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Daviey:

Lunar_Lamp: as non-root?

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Lunar_Lamp:

Daviey, as non-root.

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Lunar_Lamp:

Daviey, I'm just confused as to why mythtv ejects fine, but says it couldn't.

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Daviey:

I don't know, i've never heard of that error before

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Daviey:

strange

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achew22:

is it a GUI error message or logged?

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Lunar_Lamp:

achew22, GUI error.

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Lunar_Lamp:

I wouldn't care if it was just logged, as it would be easy to ignore.

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achew22:

what does the log say?

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Lunar_Lamp:

I haven't checked tbh

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achew22:

check it out, maybe it will tell us more

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Lunar_Lamp:

Hmm

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achew22:

hmm is intriging? what does it say

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Lunar_Lamp:

Nope, nothing.

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Lunar_Lamp:

Just wanted to verify with timestamps to make sure by repeating.

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Lunar_Lamp:

But no, nothing appears in the logs at all.

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achew22:

that is strange...

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Lunar_Lamp:

Wait, would it be in the backend logs?

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achew22:

run it in verbose logging

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Lunar_Lamp:

That's where I'm looking.

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achew22:

no it would be in frontend logging

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achew22:

run mythfrontend from the console with the -v switch

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Lunar_Lamp:

Hmm, it doesnt seem to load with "mythfrontend -v" says "missing argument to -v/verbose option">

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Lunar_Lamp:

Do i need to specify a log location?

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Lunar_Lamp:

Ah, yes evidently so.

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feld:

im making a new mythfrontend on a debian etch box

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feld:

i keep getting an error saying it cant open /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc

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Anduin:

feld: That isn't an error, that file exists and is readable?

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feld:

Anduin: correct

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feld:

it is readable

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feld:

i can edit it, etc

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Anduin:

feld: by the user running the frontend?

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feld:

im 100000000% sure it's there :)

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feld:

Anduin: correct, logged in as that user over ssh and checked

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feld:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 10037 Jul 1 19:12 lircrc

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justdave:

for the record, I resolved my program guide looping problem.

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justdave:

it's http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2668

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justdave:

the second-to-last comment was also my issue

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Lunar_Lamp:

achew22, http://pastebin.ca/599104

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Lunar_Lamp:

That's the relevant part.

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Anduin:

feld: and the file is well formed? (does a blank file result in the same error)

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feld:

Anduin: oh god it must be a formatting issue

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feld:

2007-07–01 19:19:04.654 lirc init success using configuration file: /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc

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feld:

i just rm'd and touched it

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feld:

so it was blank

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Anduin:

feld: Yup, look for typos

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feld:

wonder what's wrong with the file i have? :X

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feld:

is there a Hauppauge config somewhere in the docs supplied with the lirc stuff

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feld:

perhaps i should get it from there

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Anduin:

feld: There is an lircrc.example in contrib/configfiles

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Lunar_Lamp:

achew22, as far as I can tell, the logs indicate nothing wrong at all, all is good and well with the world – but it's showing me an error.

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Anduin:

feld: which in ancient, nevermind

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Anduin:

feld: lircrc.native.example.hauppauge in the same location

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feld:

Anduin: figured it out...

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feld:

should have backed up my old config file though; forgot i had it customized. oh well :)

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mchou:

perl is such a PITA

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feld:

mchou: i think it's fun :)

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mchou:

fun my ass. I don't want to deal with a million versions

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ShockValue:

Tanthrix – if 5c-ing PBS is illegal, why dont you bring that to the attention of your cable provider?

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mchou:

ShockValue: cause tantrix is clueless

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ShockValue:

well i think i am too, i still cant get this stupid 6200 to show me 5c info

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ShockValue:

but i hooked an old TV up to the 6200 box, and 108 comes in fine.. just not through firewire

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mchou:

ShockValue: I suggest you head down to the local comcast office and ask for another dct-6200 just to rule out a malfunctioning box

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ShockValue:

yeah, i think tomorrow on lunchbreak ill go down and ask about the status of 5c on thier channel lineup and ask for a new box

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mchou:

it's clear that the firmware is pretty much screwed on that box

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mchou:

ShockValue: I'm also not convinced your channel 108 is HD

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mchou:

ShockValue: I mean why would TNTHD work just dandy, of all things?

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ShockValue:

it is, but even so, it worked last week, and now it's not working.

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mchou:

ShockValue: you dont get the %C status on TNTHD either?

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mchou:

5C*

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ShockValue:

no, i get a blank display under d11 on every channel ive tried

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mchou:

ShockValue: then you're doing it wrong or the firmware is screwed, only logical explanations

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ShockValue:

yeah, im gonna go look up the firmware if i can. afk

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mchou:

mchou: and since it's happening for every channel you try I'm much more inclined to thinking you're doing it incorrectly

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ShockValue:

perhaps im just not understanding the instructions.. i turn off hte box, hit "ok", scroll down to d11, and hit right and/or OK and get nothing

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mchou:

get the instructions from someplace reputable, not some crappy wiki

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ShockValue:

well the number of links ive googled all say the same thing.. they might be crappy, but they're consistant :)

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mchou:

try some other d*

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mchou:

something has to show up

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mchou:

oh shit, I bet I know what's up

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mchou:

you probably have a dct that's using MSFT foundation crap

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achew22:

when I run any myth process its killing X, anyone experienced this before?

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Trentster:

hey all,If using an lcd tv to watch hdtv broadcasts, is it better to use vga out of nvidia card and vga in to tv or is it better to use, tvout on nvidia card and svideo in to tv?

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mchou:

ShockValue: these look like decent instructions: http://forums.snapstream.com/vb/showpost.php? . . . ;postcount=7

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hads:

VGA

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Trentster:

hads, why?

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hads:

S-Video is SD

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Trentster:

is it true that if you use svideo and not vga out you don't have to use the deinterlace option in mythtv for playback?

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Dagmar:

If you are using an nVidia card with the nVidia drivers.

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Trentster:

Dagmar, Yes I am using nvidia with nvidia driver.......does this mean I should use svideo over vga, and is the best option trying anything to get rid of having to deinterlace on myth

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Mixx:

.

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Trentster:

Forgive my ignorance, but I am just trying to understand a couple of things, my intention is to get a crystal clear image on the screen without having any motion blur or combing effects, would i be correct in assuming that if i can get rid of using the deinterlacing option this would automatically solve my problems?

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Dagmar:

Maybe

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Dagmar:

If your TV can use s-video input, use it and see which you like

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Trentster:

Dagmar, is hads correct in saying that S-video allways uses SD? is this bad for HD

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Trentster:

Is it allways better to avoid having to use the deinterlacing options in myth if you can avoid it?

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Trentster:

??

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jams:

Trentster- doesn't really matter. it's a tradeoff between cpu usage and what looks good to you

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loops:

does deinterlacing takes extra cpu?

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jams:

if you use the deinterlacing options with myth it does

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loops:

but it stops that "combing" effect ?

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jams:

yep

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loops:

cool.. will give it a try.. my backend cpu usage always seems low anyway

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Trentster:

jams, I guess my question really is, do all hdtv signals need interlacing, or does it depend on how they are outputed via the graphics card?

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Trentster:

I mean de-interlacing

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loops:

oh.. deinterlacing is a front-end task

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loops:

hmm.. after enabling "deinterlace playback" i still get comb effect when pausing image.

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Trentster:

loops, what output are you using from graphics card?

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wastrel:

hi

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loops:

Trentster, i'm not sure..

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loops:

Where is that set?

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loops:

hi wastrel

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Trentster:

loops, what is your tv connected to your pc by. does it plug into vga,svideo, or fvi?

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Trentster:

dvi?

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wastrel:

is there a way to cancel a recording from the guide?

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loops:

oh.. right.. i'm not using a tv.. just dvi out to monitor

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Tanthrix:

ShockValue: Mainly because I don't know if it really is illegal (I read over the FCC ruling document and couldn't find it clearly anywhere) nor do I have any hope that I would be listened to even if I did complain.

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Tanthrix:

Because the channel is provided unencrypted via QAM, just not firewire.

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Tanthrix:

(Should have said, despite it probably not being legal)

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loops:

wastrel, yes.. one way is to press "i" key and select don't record

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ShockValue:

well shoot. i finally got the menus on my 6200 to work in diag mode. looks like they DID turn on RC encryption.

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ShockValue:

the channles that work show 0x00 and the channels that dont show 0x01

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Plugh:

Anyone noticed that the frontend in SVN version of MythTV seems to lock up now and then (sometimes once every half hour)?

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hads:

Whilst doing what?

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Plugh:

Just watching live tv

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hads:

Plugh: I've had issues lately with playback stopping when switching programs. It started happening sometime after the ffmpeg sync.

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** Plugh nods **

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Plugh:

I did notice it was a recent occurance.

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hads:

There are a couple of bugs about it which appear to have been open for a while.

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hads:

I don't know if it's releated to the ffmpeg sync at all but I think it was around that time.

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Plugh:

ok. As long as it isn't just me then it may someone will find and fix it some day.

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hads:

I haven't had a chance to try and narrow it down yet and unfortunately it's not entirely consistant for me.

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Plugh:

It isn't that consistent for me either. It has hung up twice tonight on the hour/half-hour about the time there was a change in program on the channel I had on.

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ShockValue:

weird.. comcast has put DRM on NBC but not ABC. i dun get what they're doing.

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wastrel:

isn't it the network that chooses?

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ShockValue:

Im not sure, i think its the FCC that chooses

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mchou:

ShockValue: that tells me your cable headend is screwing up badly

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ShockValue:

well, i guess theyll get a visit on monday. i work about 100 feet from them

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mchou:

all those DRM flags are placed by local cable franchise

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mchou:

ShockValue: what was the magic to get the service menu working?

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ShockValue:

hook a TV up to it, and take the box menu modes out of 1080i so my little TV could display them

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ShockValue:

the box only shows what menu you're on. the TV displays the actual info and options

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_banyan:

Refresh me — what's going on if my current recordings have no sound even though my live TV has sound and my old recordings have sound?

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k-man_:

anyone know if there are any video cards with open source drivers that have TV out?

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ShockValue:

like svideo plug on the video card? i think some nvidia cards do

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dr_willis:

I belive that the INTEL cards (onboard) may be some of the few that have opensourced drivers.

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dr_willis:

Nvidia cards OLDER ones may be opensourced.. but not the newer ones

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dr_willis:

the open sourced video carddrivers.. are.. well rather rare. Wonder if sis or that other one.. has some.

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mchou:

no way. dont think nvidia has ever been open source

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mchou:

nvidia has provide linux and bsd drivers, but open they are not

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loops:

there is a new open source nv driver

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ShockValue:

oh open source, yeah my bad. nvm about nvidia :)

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dr_willis:

theres talk of ati and nvidia both getting more opensourced.. but not seen it happen yet.

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loops:

http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/

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dr_willis:

http://developer.osdl.org/dev/opendrivers/wiki/index.php/Video

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dr_willis:

but that wiki seems to have been trashed. :(

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mchou:

loops: the nv driver is open, but hardly new. and it's pretty crippled in comparison to nvidia's closed drivers

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loops:

mchou, its not the "nv" driver.. its the "nouveau" driver

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mchou:

all that reverse engineering is pretty tough

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loops:

and it is new

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loops:

it's still beta software.. but its making great strides recently

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dr_willis:

but can it even do the tv out – is the question.

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loops:

dr_willis, i'm not sure..

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dr_willis:

Hmm.. Ive noticed that my nvidia cards defaulted to the tv out – if it was the only monitor attatched.

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loops:

dr_willis, somehow i doubt it.. although they keep adding new features every week.

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k-man_:

yeah, i was looking at that nouveau stuff

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dr_willis:

Not sure WHICH drivers, (or if all of them) worked with it.

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k-man_:

but nouveau seems to be pretty bleeding edge at the moment

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k-man_:

i have an nvidia card and it has propriatry drivers

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mchou:

the open source nv driver can do tvout

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k-man_:

and they suck

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k-man_:

mchou, is it any good?

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k-man_:

i think i tried it and had very limited success

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mchou:

good and tvout is mutually exclusive

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k-man_:

crapol;a

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mchou:

tvout via svideo plain sucks

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k-man_:

maybe i should just invest in a huge monitor

[04:25:55]

k-man_:

and get rid of the whole TV-out problem

[04:25:56]

ShockValue:

mutually exclusive and magically delicious

[04:25:57]

dr_willis:

I recall that being an issue with the ati, they reelased some specs and stuff.. but not a lot on the tv out area.

[04:26:18]

dr_willis:

compared to the old days.. i like my svideo out. :)

[04:26:35]

ShockValue:

k-man – what are you trying to accomplish? many new tv's have DVI or VGA input

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dr_willis:

kids these days and their High Def! :)

[04:26:51]

dr_willis:

dont forget hdmi

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mchou:

gag!

[04:27:11]

mchou:

choke!

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loops:

cough!

[04:27:26]

** mchou vomits **

[04:28:14]

mchou:

sigh.....

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mchou:

hard drives prices just doesnt come down fast enough

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dr_willis:

mchou, egads. :) 500gb hd's have dropped to $100 now. :)

[04:28:59]

mchou:

500GB for $99

[04:29:02]

dr_willis:

how much more do ya want.

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_banyan:

I just had to reboot is all, now everything is good.

[04:29:14]

dr_willis:

just in Jan. they were like.. err.. was it $200?

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mchou:

759GB for $99 would be nice

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dr_willis:

10000TB for $1

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dr_willis:

:)

[04:29:34]

mchou:

750GB*

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loops:

heh

[04:29:41]

dr_willis:

and you would STILL fill it with porn in a week.

[04:29:44]

_banyan:

Well, I just bought 4–400 GB SATA drives for a RAID 5. Pththt.

[04:29:48]

loops:

lol dr

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k-man_:

ShockValue, I want to display mythtv on my TV and I don't want closed source drivers as they are a pain in the bum

[04:29:57]

mchou:

there is no need to store pron

[04:30:12]

mchou:

it's all stored out there on the "internet"

[04:30:18]

_banyan:

The nvidia drivers aren't too bad.

[04:30:30]

_banyan:

You just have to update a package when you get a new kernel is all.

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k-man_:

_banyan, you mean the open ones or the closed ones?

[04:30:47]

ShockValue:

yeah, but the access time on the internet porn is inferior to storing it locally

[04:30:48]

mchou:

like linus says....use internet as storage (or something to that effect)

[04:31:08]

mchou:

ShockValue: what's the big hurry? :)

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k-man_:

_banyan, yeah, exactly, thats a pain

[04:31:14]

_banyan:

I mean the ones on Livna. They're the closed ones, repackaged.

[04:31:20]

ShockValue:

15 minutes until my wife gets home?

[04:31:28]

_banyan:

Could be worse honestly.

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k-man_:

_banyan, and the current driver is broken because nvidia insist on including some variable that breaks the compiltion or something

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mchou:

ShockValue: dude, you have the wrong concept. You watch pron with the wifey

[04:32:01]

loops:

no.. you make porn with the wife

[04:32:03]

mchou:

ShockValue: more ! for the $

[04:32:04]

_banyan:

You don't need to compile if it's in a package.

[04:32:15]

ShockValue:

i'll take option C. do all 3

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dr_willis:

In soviet Russia.. Porn makes you!

[04:32:42]

ShockValue:

yakov cracks me up :)

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mchou:

dr_willis: HUH??

[04:33:12]

ShockValue:

Ben Stiller went severely downhill after his comedy show (IMHO)

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k-man_:

frankly, i don't want to have to downlaod and install a video driver when in install a new kernel

[04:33:31]

mchou:

ShockValue: ben stiller was never all that funny

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k-man_:

it should be part of the kernel

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dr_willis:

k-man, most disrtos make that rather simple.

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k-man_:

and nvidia are evil for closing the source of the drivers

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mchou:

ShockValue: I mean compare "Borat" to ben stiller

[04:33:53]

ShockValue:

his 1 man comedy sketch show was pretty good

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k-man_:

dr_willis, simple but not automatic

[04:33:55]

dr_willis:

the evil needed to get work done...

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k-man_:

dr_willis, and its broken at the moment with debian

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mchou:

ShockValue: there is just no comparison

[04:34:07]

ShockValue:

well yeah, but Borat came 20 years after the Still show.

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dr_willis:

k-man, some disrtos do it automatic. :) but they are the ones that get in legal trouble.

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k-man_:

well... open source would solve that problem

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k-man_:

hence my desire for a video card with open source drivers

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dr_willis:

sis, or via, perhaps

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dr_willis:

Not sure about the various intel offerings

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k-man_:

yeah

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k-man_:

ill take a look at them

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loops:

intel is the only choice these days for open source drivers..

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loops:

with any luck AMD will back their words up and offer something open source sometime soon

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k-man_:

loops, which video cards do intel do?

[04:36:33]

mchou:

ok, so is Nip/Tuck agood show? should I actually rent the dvds?

[04:37:13]

loops:

k-man, only motherboard offerings.. although they have a project going to change that.

[04:37:14]

mchou:

I mean how does Nip/Tuck compare to the Sopranos quality-wise?

[04:37:32]

mchou:

or say Six fett under?

[04:37:38]

mchou:

feet*

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Plugh:

Depends on whether you would find the story of interest. Nip/Tuck doesn't interest me at all. The Sopranos was interesting.

[04:38:24]

mchou:

Plugh: how many epis of N/T did you watch?

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k-man_:

loops, realy?

[04:39:03]

mchou:

loops: forget it

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loops:

k-man, yeah.. its code named "Larrabee "

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Plugh:

None. The commercials about it was enough for me to know it was of no interest.

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mchou:

loops: ATI code is the suck

[04:39:38]

mchou:

Plugh: bah, you cant judge a show based on commercials.

[04:39:49]

loops:

mchou, that's historically true.. and perhaps why its taking so long to open source something

[04:39:59]

mchou:

Plugh: and how did you even get to see commercials if you use myth?

[04:40:08]

Plugh:

I can judge whether the subject matter will be of interest.

[04:40:39]

Plugh:

I still watch TV live.

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mchou:

loops: ppl would probably die laughing if they saw ati code.....

[04:41:01]

Plugh:

Only been using MythTV for a little while.

[04:41:17]

mchou:

loops: written by imbeciles

[04:41:26]

loops:

mchou, or die crying.. anyway. once its open source the work could begin.

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mchou:

loops: maybe

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loops:

mchou, and they've made overtures about open sourcing it recently.. (although veterans like Alan Cox say.. "believe it when i see it")

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mchou:

loops: Cox is correct to reserve judgment

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loops:

of course..

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mchou:

AMD should just shitcan ATI devs

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mchou:

that would solve lots of problems right there

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loops:

personally i'd just like Intel to come out with a good card so i can give ATI and nVidia the finger every time i buy a new machine.

[04:43:53]

mchou:

loops: forget about it

[04:44:21]

mchou:

Intel lags behind ATI even more

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loops:

mchou, intel drivers already do everything i need. just sometimes it would be nice to be able to upgrade a machine without upgrading the motherboard.

[04:44:46]

mchou:

I mean the graphics part, of course

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loops:

mchou, intel graphics do everything i need. i use 3d support with Blender etc.. and it all works great

[04:45:48]

loops:

mchou, and Intel is already working on a discrete graphics card.. so i'm hopeful.

[04:45:50]

mchou:

loops: I dont think intel would ever compete h2h with likes of nvidia or ati for non-mobo vid cards

[04:46:30]

loops:

"Larrabee" is already in the works. it might not be h2h with ati/nv but it will surely do everything i (and many others) need

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mchou:

that's just not the way intel does business (historically)

[04:47:27]

loops:

for now.. i just buy intel motherboards to get the open source support i need

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k-man_:

loops so would I

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mchou:

I'd probably buy an intel chipset laptop

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k-man_:

mchou, as my mythtv front end?

[04:49:10]

mchou:

as a non-dedicated mythfrontend

[04:49:37]

mchou:

an intel laptop has several advantages when it comes to linux

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loops:

good wifi support too etc..

[04:50:05]

mchou:

pretty much all drivers are there for intel lappies

[04:50:09]

mchou:

loops: exactly

[04:51:21]

mchou:

but there is a ati based intel lappy going for $400 at office depot......

[04:51:42]

mchou:

dual proc

[04:51:59]

mchou:

4th of july sale or some such

[04:52:02]

loops:

prices have really dropped.. its amazing

[04:52:08]

mchou:

pretty tempting

[04:52:30]

mchou:

even has aetheros

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mchou:

too bad about the ATI video though

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loops:

no doubt

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loops:

the open source r300 driver isn't bad (if it happens to handle the card in the lappy)

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mchou:

sigh...battery life is ridiculous though

[04:53:50]

mchou:

2.5 hrs on the "upgraded" battery pack

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mchou:

lol

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loops:

pretty sad..

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mchou:

watch 1 dvd and dont use your lappy

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mchou:

yeah, that's pathetic

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mchou:

I better take knoppix livecd to teh store and see if acpi works well

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mchou:

otherwise battery will last 30min :)

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loops:

yeah.. good plan..

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cesman:

mchou: got a link to that lappy?!

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mchou:

go to office depot home page, check out their flyer (need to enter zip code)

[04:59:07]

mchou:

you cant miss it

[04:59:51]

mchou:

http://officedepot.shoplocal.com/officedepot/ . . . reID=2504187

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mchou:

try that

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cesman:

thanks

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Plugh:

yup. MythTV frontend locked up again just at the end of a program.

[05:02:25]

Plugh:

Ah. Its just the video that locks up. I was able to hit escape a couple of times to get back to the main menu.

[05:02:49]

Plugh:

Didn't respond right away but after several seconds it did.

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kristok:

I recently upgraded my machine from fc4 to f7

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kristok:

and now the video playback seems slightly choppy, and in general the gui looks like crap

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mchou:

kristok: what do you expect us to do about it?

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kristok:

mchou: come over and fix it?

[05:15:03]

kristok:

;-)

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mchou:

dream on

[05:15:44]

kristok:

i was just surprised at how crappy it looked, and thought maybe someone else had a similar issue

[05:15:47]

mchou:

kristok: simple, revert to fc4 and get it over with

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kristok:

but that's too easy

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loops:

kristok, what do you mean by the "gui looks like crap" ?

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kristok:

as far as the gui goes, the fonts are blocky looking

[05:22:05]

kristok:

like they aren't anti-aliased or something

[05:22:22]

kristok:

but i'm not certain that's the problem

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loops:

hmm.. hard to imagine what could make the gui look different.. (slower sure..)

[05:23:35]

loops:

unless it is a font issue you're seeing

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kristok:

could be a font issue

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kristok:

but i never messed with the defaults in my old setup, so i figured the new install would be fine too

[05:26:58]

kristok:

as far as the playback goes, X takes 20% cpu, and the mythfrontend ~12% during playback of a SD show

[05:27:21]

kristok:

although now that I check, the cpu is throttled back to 800 MHz

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hads:

Plugh: I yes, I should have mentioned that before sorry. Same thing here.

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kristok:

now that i look closer, even the icons in the theme look a little blocky

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kristok:

do i need to enable anti-aliasing somehow?

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hads:

Plugh: I've just commented on bug #2335 which shows the same issue. #2563 looks like a duplicate/similar issue.

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ShockValue:

i read a tip for turning on anti-aliased fonts to do "export QT_XFT" before starting mythfrontend. where would i put such a line?

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Trentster:

hey all, I just monted a new hard drive to /myth/tv where recordings are kept, only problem now is that when i go into myth its looking for all the previously recorded shows and wont let me watch live tv.....any ideas how I can tell myth that all that content is now gone?

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SiD3WiNDR:

why would you remove the content?

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SiD3WiNDR:

(and why does it need previously recorded shows to watch livetv?)

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Trentster:

it does, I can get you the error from the log that crashes the backend...

[06:58:07]

Trentster:

"Error: Opening file '/myth/tv/1012_20070702144756.mpg'."

[06:58:28]

Trentster:

then the backend crashes

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Anduin:

Trentster: checked permissions?

[06:59:03]

Trentster:

yes, i had to puck the nfs lockfile back and change group and owner to mythtv

[07:00:08]

Anduin:

Trentster: that is the live TV error? You can clear your old recoded shows by clearing out the recorded table.

[07:01:04]

SiD3WiNDR:

hmm

[07:01:21]

SiD3WiNDR:

I bet that is simply your *new* livetv recording file

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Trentster:

Anduin, how do i clear out the recorded table?

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SiD3WiNDR:

and you didn't change permissions of /myth/tv itself to mythtv.mythtv ?

[07:03:01]

Trentster:

SiD3WiNDR, thanks just checked that folder was set to root, just changed it to mythtv both group and owner

[07:03:09]

Trentster:

lemme check if i can at least watch tv?

[07:05:36]

Anduin:

Trentster: your favorite MySQL admin app

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Trentster:

SiD3WiNDR, thanks can now watch live tv....

[07:08:41]

Trentster:

Anduin, wont the old content autoexpire if it sees its no loger there....

[07:08:43]

SiD3WiNDR:

Trentster: umount /myth/tv; mv /myth/tv /myth/tv2; mkdir /myth/tv; mount /myth/tv; mv /myth/tv2/* /myth/tv; rmdir /myth/tv2

[07:08:54]

SiD3WiNDR:

unless you really don' tneed any old content of course

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SiD3WiNDR:

:)

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Trentster:

Anduin, do i really need to get down and dirty with mysql

[07:09:51]

Anduin:

Trentster: Even if that were true, what would make the auto expire mechanism look at them? (I'm not certain it isn't true, just suspect it)

[07:10:26]

Anduin:

Trentster: depending on which version you run you can also try to play them and delete them one-by-one

[07:11:18]

Trentster:

Anduin, thanks..will give it a bash!

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Trentster:

Anduin, its a no go, lets me delete it through the web interface , but its still there next time I go in, maybe I should just copy the content back from the old drive.

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Anduin:

Trentster: or use mysql

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Tanthrix:

You can just make dummy files of the same name – that'll do just fine.

[07:35:41]

Tanthrix:

(As opposed to copying, I mean)

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Trentster:

Tanthrix, thanks...v good idea

[07:37:13]

Tanthrix:

Or update to SVN. It lets you delete missing files.

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juski:

no mc who to annoy the hell out of everybody today?

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Trentster:

Tanthrix, excuse my ignorance whats SVN

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juski:

subversion

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juski:

svn.mythtv.org

[07:44:29]

juski:

version control system :)

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juski:

it's the repository of the mythtv source code – meaning that if you want to use the very latest version using the most up-to-date code (not necessarily the most stable btw) you can 'check out' (i.e. download from) the subversion repository :)

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juski:

all changes are kept though, meaning you get grab any version you want, so if you find that one changeset breaks your box you can easily revert to an earlier one

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Trentster:

juski, thanks

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quicksilver:

juski: what was the name for the new experimental code to enable recording two channels on the same mux at the same time?

[09:23:00]

juski:

multirec

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quicksilver:

thanks

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juski:

np

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quicksilver:

juski: I've discovered that, in extremis, I can use dvbstream by hand to achieve the same effect :)

[09:45:14]

quicksilver:

juski: if both my tuners are busy, but one tuner is on the right mux at least

[09:45:45]

juski:

messy though!

[09:45:49]

** quicksilver nods **

[09:45:54]

quicksilver:

better than missing the program...

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juski:

heh yeah

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CJDBunnY:

hi guys – is there a way of locking the CD/DVD drives to prevent my son opening them by pressing the buttons on the front? I'd like to only be able to open it in software once the OS is up

[09:47:23]

quicksilver:

I thought I noticed the other day tahn live TV always uses the first available tuner, and thus manages to conflict with a recording even if there is a spare tuner?

[09:47:31]

quicksilver:

can someone confirm that, or was I being stupid?

[09:48:28]

juski:

use the 'avoid conflicts with livetv' option?

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juski:

CJDBunnY: you could always just mod the drives, but that'd make inserting a CD to boot from tricky!

[09:49:26]

juski:

if you put a disc in & mount it normally, that'd prevent it being ejected

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CJDBunnY:

would that prevent me playing DVDs using mythtv?

[09:49:54]

juski:

try educating your son by wiring a button up to a high voltage :-P

[09:50:01]

CJDBunnY:

lol

[09:50:12]

juski:

zzzt! don't do it again! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZt!

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CJDBunnY:

haha

[09:54:47]

quicksilver:

juski: ah, I didn't know about that

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quicksilver:

CJDBunnY: I don't know the asnwer, but some BIOSes might have the option to disable the button after boot up

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quicksilver:

CJDBunnY: I've never seen that in practice though

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Ruleke:

quicksilver: sysctl dev.cdrom.lock

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Ruleke:

or even in /proc if you want to be archaic :P

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quicksilver:

ah, there you go

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quicksilver:

only it's CJDBunnY you should be telling

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Ruleke:

ah whatever, I joined later :P

[10:00:42]

Ruleke:

ah no I didn't

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Ruleke:

well then CJDBunnY, read above

[10:01:37]

Ruleke:

must mentally block those funky nicks :P

[10:15:56]

Tanthrix:

I want a damn CD drive that *immediately* ejects discs (at high speed!) when you push the eject button

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Solv:

Tanthrix, don't we all...I think windows lets you do that =)

[10:16:27]

Tanthrix:

Too many times of playing beat the clock when trying to pop out a cd before a system boots off of it, only to have it open half way up after a 10 second wait then close immediately

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Solv:

ah

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Solv:

before windows boots up

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Tanthrix:

Could lose a finger!

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Solv:

what sux is when you press it twice cause your impatient

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Solv:

and it stays closed and boot up off the livecd

[10:17:31]

Tanthrix:

Then you're like "hrm, did it register that or not..."

[10:18:18]

Solv:

anyone here one of the few that has put mythfrontend on an appletv?

[10:19:16]

Solv:

seems like a smarter way to go than trying to get linux installed and putting it on, just use the osx build...sawa video on youtube...looks velly nice

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Tanthrix:

But that's half the fun!

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Solv:

true...looks like my favourite distro gentoo is one of the easier ones to get happening as well

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juski:

ducking eejits on the forum, wanting to know how to put the current time in the 'watch recordings' screen – apparently it's so damn iomportant.. I just suggested if he wants to know the time that badly, wear a wristwatch foo!

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juski:

and he still hasn't found that mythtv is capable of replcing the VCR that blew up last week. Oh noes! mythtv no working with videoplus codes!!!! wah!!!!!!!!

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quicksilver:

:)

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quicksilver:

if we're talking really trivial UI improvements

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quicksilver:

I'd like "disk space remaining" to be shown on some screens

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quicksilver:

not sure which, maybe the watch recordings one

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pat_:

huh? why bother

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quicksilver:

because it's something I like to know about

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pat_:

why not just have myth keep 1gb free min?

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pat_:

and let it manage it

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quicksilver:

if disk space is running low then I need to make sure that I have archived any old stuff I care about

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pat_:

expiring the old recordings

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pat_:

I just set the stuff I care about to not auto expire

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juski:

whine whine whine whine whine..

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pat_:

and let myth manage it

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pat_:

:)

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pat_:

morning juski

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juski:

you could have a scroller on menus telling you info, weather data, rss feeds or whatever – that'd be cool

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** quicksilver nods **

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juski:

prolly be quite easy to add those kind of info fields, mkaing em scroll maybe less so

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pat_:

I'm probably going out on a limb saying that mythtv in it's present 0.20-fixes format meets all my requirements

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juski:

so current SVN will more than easily exceed them then!

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juski:

awesome!!!!

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pat_:

probably

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pat_:

congrats to everyone with commit access!

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** juski blushes – not responsible for any real improvements **

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pat_:

I use blootube and blootube-wide as my themmes

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pat_:

(stupid m key is broken on my ibook)

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juski:

blootube will be getting some attention after next weekend

[11:55:23]

juski:

new music player screen as a minimum – the current one SUCKS

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pat_:

in 0.20-fixes the mythvideo stuff doesn't display correctly

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pat_:

(with the latest blootube-wide) but that is to be expected

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juski:

huh?

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juski:

works fine here AFAIK

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pat_:

text overlaps

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juski:

no it doesn't

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pat_:

sure it does

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juski:

no it doesn't

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pat_:

I'll grab my digicam and take a picture for you

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juski:

grab a proper screenshot

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pat_:

hmm, I'd need to find a keyboard and the like

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juski:

no text overlaps

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juski:

not when you have X running at 100DPI & the right fonts installed

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pat_:

I'll put up a photo, and then if you want I'll take a screenshot

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pat_:

let me get the camera

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pat_:

need to reboot, powerloss caused some problemms

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pat_:

sorry about that, turns out I didn't need to reboot anyway

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pat_:

http://panic.id.au/images/index.php/myth/IMG_ . . . umbnail=true

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juski:

nah that's wrong

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juski:

doesn't happen here

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pat_:

(**) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (35, 50); computed from "DisplaySize" Monitor section

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pat_:

there is the problem

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pat_:

thanks for your troubleshooting

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** pat_ redoes the display size setting **

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pat_:

720x576, native sd is the X resolution

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pat_:

for widescreen tv

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juski:

try 400 225 displaysize

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pat_:

it is currently set at 512x288

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pat_:

so that won't fix it

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pat_:

I'll try 1024x576

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pat_:

that should set the dpi to 70, 100

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pat_:

that went the wrong way

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pat_:

(**) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (71, 101); computed from "DisplaySize" Monitor section option

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pat_:

still looks the samme

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pat_:

mark that as a priority low bug, it doesn't worry me

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juski:

never mind LOW.. it's ZERO. works fine here!

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pat_:

I'll get the latest blootube-wide now and try that

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juski:

see my screenshots

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pat_:

page cannot be found

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pat_:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/blootube-wide.htm

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pat_:

something is wrong

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juski:

ah well not to worry eh

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pat_:

we'll worry about it another day :)

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juski:

like never?

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pat_:

maybe

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pat_:

maybe not :)

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pat_:

who knows

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pat_:

it might bug me enough one day to look into it seriously

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juski:

it's a NON ISSUE

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juski:

I keep fsking telling you it works fine here

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juski:

ffs

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juski:

can't/won't fix a problem I don't see

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juski:

weird! there's a blootube-wide.html on the webserver

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juski:

aha!

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juski:

I need to edit the index page

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pat_:

juski, don't worry, I'm not worried

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juski:

pisses me off when people say stuff is broken when it plainly isn't

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juski:

fixed the webpage though

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pat_:

I'll try 142 x 100 dpi and see how that goes

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pat_:

(seen it looking right in your screenshots now)

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pat_:

s/142 x 100/100 x 142/

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kslater:

in a general sense does mythlcd display what the backend is doing or what the frontend is doing? Or is it flexible enough that the user can easily determine that?

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juski:

only what the frontend's doing AFAIK

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kslater:

hmm

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kslater:

helping a buddy with a VFD case and need to dig deeper on that

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kslater:

thx juski

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juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythlcdserver

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juski:

wikiwikiwikiwikiwiki!

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mikeones:

hello

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pat_:

juski, clearly I've got a problemm (I'm not saying it is something you've done) I've just downloaded the latest blootube-wide fromm juski.co.uk and my dpi is set to 101x143, my resolution is 720x576 on a widescreen tv, and I get overlapping text on 0.20-fixes 12674 just like in the photo I took earlier

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pat_:

anyway, I like the new theme images

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pat_:

bed now, I've got to work in 7 hours

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KaZeR:

hey people. can i do something to counter this :

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KaZeR:

ERROR when trying to autoexpire file: /mnt/store//Coretechs- – 2007-05–02, 5–02 PM.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed.

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KaZeR:

i have a whole bunch of them. is there a startup flag i can use, or whatever?

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KaZeR:

i'd like to avoid touching each file, cause there's 40+ of them

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Beirdo:

heh, get touching :)

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Beirdo:

and next time, try not to delete them manually?

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RyeBrye:

Does the log have all 40?

[13:42:30]

Beirdo:

hmmm, there might be a script out there for that, but I dunno

[13:42:31]

RyeBrye:

you could probably use sed / awk to make a script touch them all for you

[13:42:37]

RyeBrye:

based on the log output

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KaZeR:

Beirdo, i didn't delete them, the hdd died :)

[13:43:10]

Beirdo:

same difference :)

[13:43:17]

Beirdo:

try not to fail yer harddrives :)

[13:43:19]

Beirdo:

heh

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KaZeR:

well. this was not intended, hehe :)

[13:43:41]

RyeBrye:

!trout KaZer's_hard_drive

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** MythLogBot slaps KaZer's_hard_drive with a trout on behalf of RyeBrye... **

[13:43:42]

otwin:

or remove the records in the mysql table manually, easy with phpmyadmin or your own query

[13:43:46]

KaZeR:

RyeBrye, yeah, it happened to me once ago. i grepped the logs.

[13:44:07]

RyeBrye:

Are they flagged in the db already with an autoexpire tag or somethign? that owuld be pretty easy

[13:44:07]

KaZeR:

otwin, your way sounds easier :)

[13:44:51]

KaZeR:

RyeBrye, not all are tagged. some were meant to be kept

[13:45:09]

Beirdo:

how is it easier to remove a pile of records from a table for every file than it is to just touch a file for every missing file?

[13:45:11]

KaZeR:

it would be nice to set them to re-record

[13:45:28]

KaZeR:

Beirdo, you can do a bunch in one shot :)

[13:45:39]

Beirdo:

heh

[13:45:59]

KaZeR:

plus, i'll have to go to mythweb, and delete each recordings after, and ste it to re-record

[13:46:06]

KaZeR:

i feel too lazy for that :)

[13:46:08]

otwin:

if you dont know the file names (and your awk/sed/grep sucks) it is easier to select them through phpmyadmin

[13:46:32]

Beirdo:

you could just drop the entire contents of the recordedmarkup (or whatever) table, and then run mythcommflag again to regenerate for all the files you have left... but that would be sucktacular

[13:46:42]

KaZeR:

is that in the recorded table? i have 90+ recordings in it. might be the correct value

[13:47:28]

otwin:

KaZeR: may be this is the moment to do a mysqldump of your db ;-)

[13:47:39]

KaZeR:

yeah i already did :)

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Beirdo:

good choice :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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KaZeR:

in fact i reinstalled the thing yesterday

[13:47:59]

KaZeR:

since the drive died..

[13:48:30]

KaZeR:

Solv, how would i tell 'delete everything before today and re-record it'

[13:50:15]

KaZeR:

s/solv/so. and sorry for the nick highlight, i'm too used to the tab key :)

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siXy:

find . -name '*.mpg* -type f -mtime +1 -exec rm -f {} + will delete all the files... if thats what you meant. db entries will require a well formed SELECT

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KaZeR:

siXy, files are already gone (hdd failure) i'm looking for the sql part, with if possible re-record setting

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siXy:

hmm. no idea how you would go about re-recording them

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KaZeR:

isn't that simply not recording in the db that this show was recorded?

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KaZeR:

ok i did a delete from recorded where starttime not like "2007–07%";

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siXy:

oh sorry – i thought you meant schedule them to re-recod next time they were shown

[13:55:38]

KaZeR:

siXy, yeah, kind of :)

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Trentster:

hey all I am having weird problems playing back HD recordings after about 20 minutes , video starts to play erratically, almost like its on semi fast worward, if I exit out the menu and go back in its fine for another minute then starts up again. If i go out mythfrontend and then back in again its fine again for another 20 minutes and then starts up again...any ideas?

[13:55:52]

KaZeR:

since i lost the recordings, i haven't seen the show

[13:56:28]

siXy:

if thats what you want to do then i have no idea how you could automate that – iirc the db just sotres date and time to record then cros-refs to the guide table for program info

[13:56:32]

fryfrog:

Trentster: is your CPU kind of borderline for playing HD?

[13:56:50]

fryfrog:

I used to have that on my dual xeon 2.4ghz, but when i swapped my BE for my FE (3200+ amd64) it went away

[13:57:19]

KaZeR:

siXy, ok, no problem. that's no big deal, i'll be carefull about next episodes, and see if i can do that by hand.

[13:57:21]

KaZeR:

thanks anyway :)

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Trentster:

fryfrog, weird...... I am using a p4 3.0 gig 1.5 gigs of ram, and cpu usage when playing back hovers around 45%

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fryfrog:

oh, okay doesn't sound like my issue :)

[13:58:02]

fryfrog:

i was using like 150% cpu :P

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Trentster:

maybe its a buffering problem....

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fryfrog:

are you doing this over network or is it a combined be/fe/

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fryfrog:

?

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siXy:

Trentster: sounds to me like an A/V sync issue. try setting 'use video as timebase' in general options and if audio goes wierd or cuts out then thats the issue

[14:02:27]

Trentster:

siXy, thanks.....if the audio goes weird, and thats the issue, how do i go about trying to troubleshoot?

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siXy:

Trentster: depends on if you are using spdif or not

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Trentster:

siXy, I am using an SB live pci

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siXy:

analogue or s/pdif output?

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Aquahallic:

mornin' folks

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dr_willis:

Howdies

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Aquahallic:

Playin' around in mythmusic and I'm tryin' to make an "Audio Cd from Playlist" but my cursor just skips right over that option

[14:23:20]

Aquahallic:

anyone seen this??

[14:23:53]

squidly:

Aquahallic: sounds like its not enabled or its missing something

[14:24:01]

Aquahallic:

exactly

[14:24:09]

squidly:

any thing in the logs?

[14:24:09]

Aquahallic:

but I dunno what

[14:24:23]

squidly:

I have not done this though

[14:24:31]

Trentster:

siXy, analogue

[14:24:39]

Aquahallic:

I don't think it would log anything... cause I'm not even able to highlight the selection

[14:24:42]

dr_willis:

Heck I cant even get MythMusic working right now. Getting some Error 5 related to ogg stuff.

[14:24:45]

dr_willis:

uǝʞoɹq s,ɹǝʇndɯoɔ ʎɯ

[14:24:47]

dr_willis:

:)

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Aquahallic:

when I'm scrolling through it just hops right over those selections

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squidly:

Aquahallic: hmm.. you cant select mythmusic from the main menu?

[14:25:13]

Aquahallic:

yes

[14:25:17]

Aquahallic:

I can get in mythmusic

[14:25:21]

Aquahallic:

and it all works fine

[14:25:26]

Aquahallic:

I can burn an Mp3 cd

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squidly:

ahh but its the ogg->cda that is giveing you issues?

[14:26:08]

Aquahallic:

hmmm

[14:26:10]

Aquahallic:

not sure

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Aquahallic:

see

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Aquahallic:

all my music are Mp3's

[14:26:33]

Aquahallic:

but I want to make an Audio CD

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Aquahallic:

so yeah there'd have to be some conversion there

[14:27:02]

Aquahallic:

is that a plugin I need to install??

[14:30:24]

Aquahallic:

hmmmm

[14:30:30]

Aquahallic:

I just looked in my logs

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Aquahallic:

Failed to run 'cdrecord --scanbus'

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dr_willis:

hmm.. i thought cdrecord --scanbus is rather OLD way of getting the info.

[14:31:31]

dr_willis:

havent ran that in years

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Aquahallic:

that's mythtv trying to do that

[14:31:53]

Aquahallic:

frontend

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dr_willis:

Oh yea. :) heh – guess so.

[14:32:34]

dr_willis:

cdrecored is installed?

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Aquahallic:

hmmm

[14:33:09]

Aquahallic:

dunno

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Aquahallic:

lol

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dr_willis:

:)

[14:33:31]

dr_willis:

Cables are plugged in... :) The Computer is turned on....

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dr_willis:

Tech support 101

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dr_willis:

:)

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Aquahallic:

lol

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Aquahallic:

yeah... everything else runs fine

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Aquahallic:

just can't make a audio cd...:(

[14:34:29]

Aquahallic:

and the boy's player in his room will only do normal audio cd

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Trentster:

siXy, any ideas?

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dr_willis:

heh. Given how cheap 1gb mp3 players are.. who bothers with real cd's any more. :)

[14:36:36]

dr_willis:

heck seeing 1 gb Video players now for $40

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dr_willis:

wonder how good they are.

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Aquahallic:

yeah it's an integrated system he got for his b'day... if it was up to ME I'd just go pickup a new dvd player at Wally World for 30 bux that will play any format cd/dvd you throw at it

[14:39:40]

dr_willis:

Those huge uber-massive cheap made but cool looking mini-sters wth all the lights and doodads eh?

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ben_goodger:

wally world? whichever country you're living in, I'm glad I don't have to shop there

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squidly:

dr_willis: some people dont have a method of playing mp3's in the car, so cd makes sence there

[14:44:04]

Aquahallic:

;)

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dr_willis:

squidly, been looking at replacing my car stero also. :)

[14:44:37]

Aquahallic:

my head unit in my truck does mp3 and it'll use a USB stick...;)

[14:44:49]

dr_willis:

but when i drive to work. i got time for 2 songs tops.

[14:45:25]

dr_willis:

Seeing more of those 'digital' radio stations advertising now. May have to get a Digital radio someday

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jams:

don't let the advertising pull you in

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juski:

my head unit does USB too – have a 4GB microdrive

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juski:

pity it doesn't do decent formats like flac/ogg though

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leOn:

hello .. anyone got lightscribe running in mythtv?

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squidly:

dr_willis: lol I would like to but $$ is not in my future right now :(

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TSCHAKWerk:

darn it

[14:58:07]

TSCHAKWerk:

where is that location again to hardcode ffmpeg's location into mythweb?

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laga:

TSCHAKWerk: grep?

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TSCHAKWerk:

laga: trying that.. can't find :-(

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Aquahallic:

hmmm... seems that save back to playlist tree and create audio cd is not available to be selected...:/

[15:04:33]

laga:

TSCHAKWerk: modules/stream/handler.pl

[15:06:23]

TSCHAKWerk:

oh thanks

[15:06:29]

TSCHAKWerk:

i forgot it was a perl script

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laga:

fear my grep skills

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purplefrog:

I was looking at the mythtv.org web site and there is nothing posted about the zap2it discontinuation. Is there a URL I can read to see the current status and check weekly for updates?

[15:07:11]

laga:

laga@screwless:/var/www/mythweb$ grep -ri /ffmpeg *

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laga:

;)

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jams:

purplefrog- nope

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laga:

purplefrog: http://gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/

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** TSCHAKWerk *HEART* mythweb streaming **

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purplefrog:

bummer. That's a little more content than i have time to shovel through. I guess I'll just have to keep my fingers crossed.

[15:09:41]

laga:

purplefrog: there might be something on the wiki

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juski:

lightscribe?

[15:11:08]

** juski laughs at the biggest waste of time ever invented next to chocolate teapots **

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laga:

juski: maniacxs has a patch for mytharchive

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juski:

barely visible disc labels ftw!

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juski:

.. or is it improved these days? looked piss-poor last time I saw evidence

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RyeBrye:

LabelFlash is better than lightscribe, imo

[15:28:26]

RyeBrye:

You can use it to write crap in the unused portion of the disk on the bottom where it is more visible

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juski:

bah

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RyeBrye:

and it works on regular media, so you don't have to pay a ton for a blank

[15:28:53]

juski:

can't remember the last time I burned a disc since setting up mythtv!

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Merlin83b:

Write in the unused bottom space? Cool.

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juski:

wot unused space? muhahaha

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RyeBrye:

Plus- the difference between many Pioneer DVD burners that have LabelFlash and those that don't is just firmware

[15:30:45]

RyeBrye:

of course, cross-flashing a drive would be immoral and possibly illegal, so you wouldn't do that

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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juski:

and it invalidates the warranty!

[15:31:19]

RyeBrye:

yes, ture

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Merlin83b:

Except shops are too dumb to check for it, so play dumb and no problem. Not that I'd advocate such behaviour.

[15:31:42]

RyeBrye:

:)

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juski:

like they're too dump to check for something having had mains up it

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure my DVD burner was region-free when I bought it

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Merlin83b:

"It just stopped working"/"It didn't work out of th box"

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juski:

er.. so I heard..

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RyeBrye:

;)

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RyeBrye:

I don't think there are any linux packages that do labelflash though

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juski:

so er.. if labelflash is more visible than lightscribe, and it uses the disc writing surface – that puts lightscribe in the "completely effing useless" category, surely?

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RyeBrye:

Yeah. They are competing technology

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RyeBrye:

ou CAN write labelflash on a label on special media

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juski:

anyway where are all those dual-layer dvd-R discs?

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juski:

ouchy! £14 for 5. pfft!

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: it's the "potential movie pirating tax" :-P

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juski:

ah. muhahahahaha. MUHAHAHAHAH... MU.. (etc)

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TSCHAKWerk:

and therefore until blu-ray writeables become more common, the price will stay fixed there.

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RyeBrye:

Wasn't there a court case somewhere where someone tried to argue that a big movie company couldn't sue his client since the guy had already paid a tax that implied he would pirate movies when he bought media?

[15:43:02]

RyeBrye:

I don't recall hearing how that turned out, but nothing probably came of it or it would have been bigger news

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** TSCHAKWerk recommends any developer who hasn't read the GPLv3, to do so. **

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juski:

why?

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siXy:

isnt GPLv3 still in draft?

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juski:

nah the ink dried on the spec last week or so

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: in short? it's now very full of holes

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: and it has become very draconian in nature.

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Beirdo:

"become"?

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Beirdo:

heh

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TSCHAKWerk:

Beirdo: compared to v3, v2 was very passive and to the point.

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Beirdo:

and quite unenforceable too. I hope they at least fixed that

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TSCHAKWerk:

Beirdo: now the entire license has become draped in legalese that is very open to liberal interpretation, BOTH by the FSF AND any parties interested in battling it.

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TSCHAKWerk:

just fscking read it.

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Beirdo:

!trout TSCHAKWerk bossy

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** MythLogBot slaps TSCHAKWerk with a bossy trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

[16:09:28]

Beirdo:

hehe, they are insisting that if a program has a menu, it must show the license from the menu?!

[16:09:31]

Beirdo:

losers

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Beirdo:

or at least a pointer to the license

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adante:

locate -i shepherd

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Pryon:

That was there in V2, though

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adante:

damn you shell, you evade me yet again

[16:10:43]

Beirdo:

no it wasn't, Pryon

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Beirdo:

they said you had to distribute the license with the program,

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Beirdo:

not have it in any menus of interactive programs

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siXy:

i love the massively relaxed attitude this channnel has to on-topicness :)

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Beirdo:

GPLv3 is somewhat on-topic for mythtv as last I heard, it was under GPL

[16:12:56]

Beirdo:

and unless the license was modified to not state "and any subsequent version if you wish" or something like that, I can choose to apply GPLv3 instead of 2

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Pryon:

Check section 2.c of V2

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juski:

so hey what about the Spice Girls getting back together eh? :-\

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Pryon:

(2.c is a bit self-contradictory, though)

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Beirdo:

Pryon, that says that it should say it on startup

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Beirdo:

not in the menu :)

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juski:

even worse :(

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** Pryon reads V3 (bits of it, anyway) **

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juski:

so if I made my themes GPL v3, how could they display the licence at startup? :-P

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Beirdo:

how is it worse to spew a banner that nobody will read on startup than to have a prominent menu item?

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Beirdo:

heh, well, themes aren't interactive programs

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Beirdo:

so I don't think you'd have to concern yourself with that

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juski:

and you can't really have source for pictures

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Beirdo:

true

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TSCHAKWerk:

like i said

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juski:

not bitmaps anyway

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TSCHAKWerk:

full of holes

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Beirdo:

which makes putting them under GPL kinda meaningless

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Beirdo:

how is that a hole?

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TSCHAKWerk:

you know what this is like? ... the american constitution versus the french constitution... which one is more explicit? and which one has required more patches? :-P

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Beirdo:

GPL was never intended to be applied to pictures, only to programs that have source code

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laga:

i dont need to read gplV3. just gimme some law suits

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Pryon:

Well, the menu item is a suggestion, not a requirement

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Beirdo:

d) If the work has interactive user interfaces, each must display Appropriate Legal Notices; however, if the Program has interactive interfaces that do not display Appropriate Legal Notices, your work need not make them do so.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

it's a must... if you show such things

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TSCHAKWerk:

yeah, I love that one

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TSCHAKWerk:

typical legalese

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** TSCHAKWerk had to deal with legal documents extensively at one point in his life for many years.... it's all bullsh*t **

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TSCHAKWerk:

the part that scares me the most is the "additional restrictions" clause that can be applied on a per-software basis.

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Pryon:

That's for a derived work that already displays legal notices

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Pryon:

If I write a new program and I can cause monkeys to fly out of a user's butt and tell them how to get a copy of the license, that will satisfy the requirements of the license

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Beirdo:

OK, the GNU wonks are saying GPLv3 is compatible with Apache License v2

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Beirdo:

about time

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bluey-:

mhh is mythshutdown running with ACPI Alarm?

[16:54:15]

laga:

bluey-: huh?

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RyeBrye:

MythTV wont got to GPLv3 will it?

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Dagmar:

Screw that

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Dagmar:

We're going GPL v5

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Dagmar:

Get ahead of the game.

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RyeBrye:

If Google did GPL, it would be GPL v3 (beta)

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dr_willis:

GPL 90210

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TSCHAKWerk:

GPLrose Place?

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Pryon:

I'd get behind that as long as it involves Shannon Dougherty (sp?)

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Beirdo:

RyeBrye, I dunno, we'll have to see what Isaac and the other developers decide. As they are all copyright owners of their own code (technically) unless assigned to someone else, they'd have to agree to relicense...

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Beirdo:

unless the current license says "or later versions"... then we can choose which version to apply personally... unless that is changed.

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Midtronic:

about how nice a graphics card am I going to need to be able to output HD?

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ben_goodger:

Beirdo: the license doesn't say that, just the notice saying which license

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Midtronic:

I've got a fairly decent CPU/capture card

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Beirdo:

that's the same thing, ben_goodger

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ben_goodger:

in some ways it's not, but enough pedanting

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Midtronic:

ben_goodger: pedantry :-D

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ben_goodger:

it's "pedanting" if it's an active participle of the verb "to pedant"

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ben_goodger:

:P

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** Midtronic was unaware of the existence of the word **

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ben_goodger:

I made it up. I'm an esperantist

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Beirdo:

it's about time to have current code again...

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Midtronic:

haha

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Dagmar:

No, you're a bullshitter.

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cheeseboy:

how do i setup like line in ?

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laga:

cheeseboy: how do you read the documentation?

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cheeseboy:

where is it in the documentation?

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laga:

find out yourself, it's not that hard

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cheeseboy:

i havent seen it

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cheeseboy:

in the docs

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Midtronic:

hrm, the one thing I want to see in the docs that I haven't yet is a decent video card with hardware mpeg2 (maybe 4?) decoding and enough oomph to put out HD

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Midtronic:

because I have no idea how much power will be required to do that

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RyeBrye:

Nvidia Geforce 6200 or 5200 should be capable

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Midtronic:

do they have the mpeg-2/4 offload capabilities? I'm having trouble finding exactly which models do what

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Dagmar:

5200 for sure

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Dagmar:

6200 less sure, but still a safe bet

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RyeBrye:

You could use the XvMC if the accelearted Xv wasn't enough for you

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RyeBrye:

6200 works fine for me

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RyeBrye:

I haven't done HD with it, but the chipset works fine

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Dagmar:

RyeBrye: There are lots of different revisions within the 6xxx series

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RyeBrye:

Any recent Nvidia card would work fine

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RyeBrye:

Oh, gotcha

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RyeBrye:

Mine is the one that works ;)

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Dagmar:

Some of the 6100's have video overlay support, same with 6150/6200's... Some of them *don't*

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RyeBrye:

Midtronic – DON'T go with ATI

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RyeBrye:

I had a friend try to do HD playback with his Radeon gaming card (forget which number, 9600?) and it didn't work

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RyeBrye:

not one bit

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cheeseboy:

help??

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RaYmAn-Bx:

9600 is rather old though

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Dagmar:

but it's got a really high number, so it *must* be fast, right?

[17:35:37]

RaYmAn-Bx:

so radeon 9600 is faster than nvidia 8800? neat!

[17:35:49]

RaYmAn-Bx:

I should have kept using my 9700pro!

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cheeseboy:

i can't find it in the docs

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mkrufky:

radeon hardware, including radeon 9600 hardware can play HD just fine... it's the linux driver that's the problem — you can thank ATi for neither releasing specs, nor a decent binary driver

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Midtronic:

yeah, it can't be ATi

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Midtronic:

I'm powersearching newegg right now, I'll find something that'll do it

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mkrufky:

my 3 GHz box + ATi Radeon 9600 XT does a decent job of playing back 720p .... if you like that 'jittery playback' sort of thing

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cheeseboy:

how do i setup line in ?

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Dagmar:

Is there *any* way to manage (edit/add/remove) recording groups from within the frontend?

[17:44:15]

Dagmar:

Maybe I'm missing somethign here

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laga:

cheeseboy: read the documentation, ffs.

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Midtronic:

hm. I've got an Athlon something or other (2x2.0GHz), now I'm looking at a GeForce 7100GS w/ 256 and HD out

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cheeseboy:

laga ive looked if you tell me where it is then id be glad too

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laga:

cheeseboy: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

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fryfrog:

I do HD on a nvidia 6200

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fryfrog:

and used to on a Ti4200 card

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fryfrog:

cpu seems to play a bigger role, unless you are doing xvmc

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fryfrog:

i mean... think about it... PCs have been doing 1280x1024 for like 10+ years now

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cheeseboy:

laga not that kind of line in i mean like the yellow wire line in

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Midtronic:

true.

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Midtronic:

cheeseboy: "the yellow wire line in"...?

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** laga has a fit **

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Midtronic:

RCA?

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laga:

cheeseboy: please ask sane questions.

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cheeseboy:

Midtronic, llike the cord dvd players and xbox uses

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cheeseboy:

i dont know the name of it

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mkrufky:

Midtronic: yes — rca .. they dont call them "rca" cables anywhere else but the US.... everybody else calls them "composite"

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Midtronic:

mkrufky: good. RCA is a dumb name for them, IMO

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Midtronic:

but I didn't know that. Thanks :-)

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mkrufky:

only stupid americans call them rca cables

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Midtronic:

sigh, this country is an easy target these days.

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StupidAmerican:

;-)

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immolo:

wow and there was me wondering what the difference was all this time

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immolo:

I guess you do learn something new everyday

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cheeseboy:

so how i setup composite?

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Dibblah:

cheeseboy: Plug one end into your 'source' device. Plug the other into your 'destination' device.

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Dibblah:

True plug-and-play.

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juski:

composite doesn't have to be on RCA/phono plugs!

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juski:

can be on BNC too!

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Midtronic:

BNC.. been a long time since I've had to deal with BNC

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juski:

and PL259 on older gear

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juski:

it's phono/RCA since those connectors are also used for audio

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Dagmar:

Oh joy

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Dagmar:

It won't even create the new groups until something is recorded into them

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cheeseboy:

Dibblah, i mean in mythtv

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juski:

just bind a 'video source' to the composite input on your tuner card, within Input Connections in mythtv-setup

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Midtronic:

I think I'm going to get this one, unless there are compelling reasons not to: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814133172

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squidly:

Midtronic: that is a very good one

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Midtronic:

the price looks nice for what it is, and it should allow xvmc

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cheeseboy:

how i setu comosite in mythtv?

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rogue780:

hey everyone, mythbuntu alpha 2 has been released. http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_Public_Alpha_2

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cheeseboy:

:/

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cheeseboy:

any help??

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fryfrog:

13:56 < juski> just bind a 'video source' to the composite input on your tuner card, within Input Connections in mythtv-setup

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laga:

cheeseboy: search the mailing lists. and ask better questions, please

[18:04:43]

TSCHAKWerk:

we need to make a checklist

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TSCHAKWerk:

(1) do you have a capture card?

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cheeseboy:

yes

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cheeseboy:

i have tv setup

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cheeseboy:

w/ mythtv

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laga:

someone set us up the tv.

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TSCHAKWerk:

(2) do you have the output from your cable box's composite out, going into the composite in plug on the capture care?

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cheeseboy:

i just need to setup composite

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TSCHAKWerk:

what?

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TSCHAKWerk:

as in

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TSCHAKWerk:

TV OUT?

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cheeseboy:

yes

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TSCHAKWerk:

cheeseboy: which graphic card do you have?

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cheeseboy:

tuner or video card?

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TSCHAKWerk:

graphic card....video card....same thing.

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Arwen:

why?

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TSCHAKWerk:

we call the TV IN cards capture cards

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cheeseboy:

nvidia geforce fx5200 is my videocard

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TSCHAKWerk:

cheeseboy: are you using the 'nvidia' driver?

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cheeseboy:

hapauge wintv go plus is my capture card

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cheeseboy:

TSCHAKWerk, tes

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cheeseboy:

yes*

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TSCHAKWerk:

cheeseboy: i didn't ask that... but honestly, I do suggest upgrading to a better capture card.. such as a Hauppauge PVR-150

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cheeseboy:

TSCHAKWerk, my video card works fine

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cheeseboy:

i just need to setup composite source in mythtv

[18:09:17]

TSCHAKWerk:

...

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TSCHAKWerk:

okay, slight breakdown in communication there..

[18:09:44]

TSCHAKWerk:

cheeseboy: have you run mythtv-setup ?

[18:09:57]

cheeseboy:

TSCHAKWerk, yes

[18:10:02]

cheeseboy:

i got cable setup

[18:10:05]

TSCHAKWerk:

(as in, DID YOU FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS?)

[18:10:07]

TSCHAKWerk:

cheeseboy: okay....

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cheeseboy:

just need composite now

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TSCHAKWerk:

.....

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TSCHAKWerk:

and it's not in the input connections section?

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cheeseboy:

TSCHAKWerk, theres composiite1 svideo and composite 3 in inut connections

[18:11:36]

cheeseboy:

TSCHAKWerk, but i cant find any channels on any of them

[18:11:42]

TSCHAKWerk:

....

[18:11:45]

TSCHAKWerk:

man

[18:11:54]

TSCHAKWerk:

um,

[18:12:09]

TSCHAKWerk:

you don't have any way to change channels on your cable box, do you?

[18:12:11]

TSCHAKWerk:

an IR blaster?

[18:12:30]

TSCHAKWerk:

.....

[18:12:34]

TSCHAKWerk:

you don't have a Tuner input?

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cheeseboy:

TSCHAKWerk, this is for xbox actually

[18:12:48]

TSCHAKWerk:

oh jesus christ

[18:12:57]

** TSCHAKWerk beats cheeseboy senseless. **

[18:13:15]

cheeseboy:

wanna be able to change to like xbox channel

[18:13:30]

olds:

inputing negative numbers for "end late" on a recording schedule should work right?

[18:13:31]

TSCHAKWerk:

you're on your own. DEAL WITH IT.

[18:13:53]

** TSCHAKWerk points cheeseboy to GOOGLE. **

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cheeseboy:

TSCHAKWerk, why :(

[18:14:09]

cheeseboy:

ive looked

[18:15:03]

TSCHAKWerk:

cheeseboy: i suggest doing some learning before continuing on this quest.

[18:15:13]

cheeseboy:

can anyone help please?

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olds:

cheeseboy: it won't work in mythtv

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olds:

mythtv buffers the output by a few seconds

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olds:

maybe if you did it through mplayer or something

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olds:

not sure how to do that

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cheeseboy:

:(

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TSCHAKWerk:

olds: he's using a non-mpeg card.

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olds:

doens't matter

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olds:

*doesn't

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TSCHAKWerk:

cheeseboy: mythtv doesn't support "completely live TV viewing"... use another method.

[18:17:32]

cheeseboy:

that stinks :(

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TSCHAKWerk:

cheeseboy: it wasn't designed for it.. how do you think mythtv is able to rewind and pause TV?

[18:18:23]

TSCHAKWerk:

cheeseboy: it's a TiVO.. can you hook an XBox up to a tivo and use it that way?

[18:18:27]

TSCHAKWerk:

NO.

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olds:

yea everything goes through the ring buffer

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olds:

at least that's my understanding

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olds:

for livetv

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cheeseboy:

:(

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juski:

!trout cheeseboy cluebat

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** MythLogBot slaps cheeseboy with a cluebat trout on behalf of juski... **

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juski:

but hey I'm not gonna have a whine about the folks whining.. not again

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** TSCHAKWerk gives juski a bowl full of different colored mood pills instead :-D **

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** TSCHAKWerk grabs a handful and downs em like mints as well. **

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juski:

I don't need no mood pills

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juski:

I just need needy people to STFU & actually _contribute_ instead of moaning

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juski:

:D

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: yeah, we always need that... i just find the pills contribute to me not whining. you can obviously tell they've worked wonders for me today :-P

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

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juski:

ether's much ni

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juski:

cer

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TSCHAKWerk:

hehe, i thought you passed out mid-syllable

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-)

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TSCHAKWerk:

in all fairness though, i think i would have been much calmer, and reached resolution much faster if I had asked what was attempting to be accomplished in the big picture sense :-P

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juski:

huh?

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TSCHAKWerk:

if I had known he was trying to hook up an Xbox as a picture source, I would have said, "um..no."

[18:40:06]

TSCHAKWerk:

much faster

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TSCHAKWerk:

and avoided the senseless beating :-P

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TSCHAKWerk:

although, I did find it cathartic

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-)

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mkrufky:

;-)

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Beirdo:

omg, my svn update's STILL going?

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Nixus_Maximus:

do I get the information on the mythbuntu-homepage right: there will be repositories for ubuntu? Can I then change a running ubuntu-system in mythbuntu by "apt-get mythbuntu-desktop" or something like this?

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juski:

try asking in #ubuntu-mythtv

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Nixus_Maximus:

ok, thx

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[19:12:42]

cheeseboy:

how much space a recoring usally take?

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cheeseboy:

like 1/2 hour show

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olds:

depends

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cheeseboy:

on?

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olds:

the source

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olds:

hdtv == more space

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cheeseboy:

normal tv

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olds:

well, I have a satellite setup with a DVB card, so it's whatever the bitrate is of the stream coming in

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olds:

I don't know about capture cards

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olds:

for mine it's about 1GB/hour

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olds:

for standard definition channels

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cheeseboy:

so ill be set with 150 gig

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cheeseboy:

:)

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juski:

ill?

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cheeseboy:

i will

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Honk:

<olds> for mine it's about 1GB/hour <-- mine's above 4gb :|

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olds:

for the hdtv channels it's about that

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olds:

one issue that I've always had with mythweb, and maybe it's just me, is that whenever I'm scheduling something or changing the settings on a recording schedule, I have to submit the page twice before the change registers on the page

[19:27:34]

olds:

so I'll press submit once and the changes show up in the options, but like the MythTV Status will say "will never record"

[19:27:39]

olds:

hit update again

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olds:

then it takes

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juski:

eh? only 4GB/hour for HDTV? lol.. our SDTV is that sometimes

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juski:

that's what I'd call pissy-poor

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olds:

juski: depends on the content

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olds:

yea

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juski:

nevermind that – it's poor

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olds:

and the channel

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juski:

mpeg2? yuk

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** olds shrugs **

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olds:

maybe I'm talking out of my ass, I'd have to actually look at the file sizes

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juski:

yeah some of our SDTV is 4GB/hour at 720x576.. depends on the show

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mkrufky:

cheeseboy: you'll find yourself wishing that you went for something larger.... i dont even feel like my 2 tb is enough

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cheeseboy:

im getting cannot connect to masterbackend connection timed out

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olds:

did you start the backend

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cheeseboy:

olds yes

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cheeseboy:

there on the same machine too

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cheeseboy:

connects to database

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cheeseboy:

then cant connect to backend

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cheeseboy:

:/

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juski:

maybe the backend isn't staying running

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olds:

what does the backend say

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juski:

backend says ""

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juski:

it's no longer running :D

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cheeseboy:

how do i see what it says?

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juski:

oh ffs

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olds:

lol

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cheeseboy:

juski ya i tryed to sto it it said none killed

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cheeseboy:

stop*

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olds:

then it wasn't running

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cheeseboy:

no i started it

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olds:

what command did you type

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olds:

and where did you type it

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_banyan:

I have 800 GB and I'm always feeling like it's a race to keep ahead of the thing filling up.

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cheeseboy:

sudo /etc/initd/mythtv-backend start

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cheeseboy:

well theres a dot but that keys broken on this pc

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cheeseboy:

init(dot)d

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olds:

try just sudo mythbackend

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olds:

or whatever your backend command is

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olds:

after stopping your other instance of course

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olds:

anyone else have this issue in mythweb with the status not updating until you submit the changes twice?

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cheeseboy:

olds how i get it to go into the background?

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laga:

by reading a good book on linux

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olds:

are you serious?

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olds:

you want to see what the backend is saying

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cheeseboy:

yes

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olds:

when you try to connect

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cheeseboy:

i dont want it taking up a terminal

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olds:

so do you want to solve the problem or not?

[19:43:16]

cheeseboy:

yes

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olds:

okay, then you need to see what the backend says when you try to connect

[19:44:29]

olds:

this is an example of my mythweb issue: http://hoodlu.ms/step0.png http://hoodlu.ms/step1.png http://hoodlu.ms/step2.png

[19:44:54]

olds:

between step0 and step1 I change the recording schedule option to "record only this showing" and increase the recording priority to 10

[19:44:57]

olds:

I press submit

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olds:

then on step1 you see the schedule options are correct, but it doesn't say the showing will be recorded

[19:45:19]

olds:

on the mythtv status

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olds:

so I press submit again

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olds:

then it works

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olds:

anyone have any ideas?

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Slyboots:

Hello :)

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cheeseboy:

hi Slyboots

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Slyboots:

Im in the middle of constructing a small scale MythBox, and Im just curious about teh choice of TV card I should use, Been looking around and I would need one that "Freeview" (DVB-T)

[19:50:07]

Slyboots:

But.. am I right in reading that Dual-Tuner cards dont work well in Linux (At all)

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Dagmar:

PVR-500's work fine

[19:54:32]

Dagmar:

Stop getting your advice from the evil leprechaun

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Slyboots:

Hey, You better wathc the leprechaun jibes

[19:55:51]

Slyboots:

This little SOB's go right at your face

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Slyboots:

PVR-500's dont support Digital-TV though (Analog only)

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Dagmar:

Of course they don't.

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Dagmar:

They dont' support IP over licorice either.

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olds:

WHAT?!

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olds:

I've been misinformed

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Slyboots:

I need a card that does though :)

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Slyboots:

What about the HVR series?

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Slyboots:

Seems the HVR series does not even have drivers.. :P

[20:04:59]

_banyan:

Anybody here using nfs? What are the tricks to getting a moderately secure read-write setup going?

[20:05:13]

Dagmar:

Using something other than NFS

[20:05:20]

Dagmar:

...or perhaps doing NFS over a VPN

[20:05:43]

Dagmar:

If you can *assume* no attackers on the network, then it's not so bad, but you will need the exact same user database on both ends

[20:06:00]

Dagmar:

...but NFS itself is not particularly secure.

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binks:

dudes when i run scan -a0 scan |tee channels.conf i get a error saying >> tee: /channels.conf: Permission denied

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Slyboots:

TRy with sudo

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Dagmar:

binks: Google "basic unix tutorial"

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Dagmar:

If you're wondering why you can't write to the / directory, you need to read more

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binks:

will that not create a root permission config file

[20:07:51]

binks:

sorry the tut i read said that cmd would create the file in /home/username

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olds:

it'll create it wherever you are when you try to execute that command

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binks:

i ran it from /home/binks

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Dagmar:

Then you didn't type what you think you typed.

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binks:

hmm ill take a look

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olds:

you could try scan -a0 scan |tee ~/channels.conf

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binks:

you are correct i wrote dudes when i run scan -a0 scan |tee /channels.conf

[20:11:03]

binks:

thanks sorry

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SteveG:

Is anyone here having an issue with the "default" skin in the latest SVN? When I go to display the "Listings" i get only the "Currently Browsing: " but no listings. If I change to the "lite" skin the listings will show.... Just wanted to see if it was me or SVN?

[20:18:13]

SteveG:

All in MythWeb...\

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SteveG:

Trunk

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_banyan:

Dagmar: do you use something like this yourself?

[20:25:31]

Slyboots:

So at the end of the day, there are no Dual-DVB-T cards that work correctly on Myth, cept the HVR-1300, which has broken encoder support

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Dagmar:

_banyan: Something like what?

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cheeseboy:

failed to bind port 6543 ??

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olds:

SteveG: works for me

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olds:

cheeseboy: you're trying to run more than 1 instance of mythbackend

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SteveG:

olds: What rev of SVN are you running?

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cheeseboy:

i am?

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SteveG:

olds: I am at 13796.... Are you aware of any logging that might give insight to why nothing shows? I checked the Myth logs and apache logs but nothing showing an error...

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olds:

cheeseboy: yes, if it is failing to bind to that port

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olds:

SteveG: lemme see...

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olds:

Source code version : 13713M

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olds:

how many channels do you have?

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SteveG:

~100 Channels

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olds:

hmmm

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olds:

did you try other browsers?

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SteveG:

4 Tuners all on the same source... I would not think it was a memory thing....

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olds:

yea, that was my first thought

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SteveG:

IE6 and Firefox 2.0.0.3 and 2.0.0.4

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olds:

hmmmm

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SteveG:

Same results... It is a nice new MythWeb on SVN... The skins are a little different but overall I like it better than -fixes-0.20

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olds:

is the page completely blank

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olds:

or does it just display the header part

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SteveG:

It displays the header and the "Currently Browsing: Mon Jul 2, 2007, 03:30 PM" and the "Jump To" dropdown boxes....

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SteveG:

After that it is blank... Filled in with theme colors...

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olds:

hmm

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olds:

do you know much php? you could throw in some print statements to see if the query is failing

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olds:

or what's going on

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SteveG:

It may come to that..... I just wanted to ensure it wan not a bigger issue.... I bumped my memory up to 64M in php.ini and tried again with no luck... I am thinking it is something else....

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olds:

yea, it's not that

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olds:

I have >1000 channels

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olds:

and no problems with memory

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SteveG:

Did you stick with the default 8M?

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olds:

yea

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olds:

which version of mysql/php

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SteveG:

mysql is at 14.12

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SteveG:

Distrib 5.0.27

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olds:

14?

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olds:

oh

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olds:

5.0.27

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olds:

what about php

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SteveG:

Searching...

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olds:

php --version

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olds:

usually the cli and the apache mod is the same

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olds:

version

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SteveG:

I am having difficulty with putty.... One minute

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SteveG:

5.0.27 as well

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olds:

hmm

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olds:

I doubt that

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olds:

is that from php --version

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SteveG:

No... That is from myphpadmin...

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olds:

that's mysql version then

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SteveG:

php --version gives me a "command not found"

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olds:

yea, so you don't have php-cli installed

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olds:

hmph

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SteveG:

Is that needed for svn vs 0.20 fixes?

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olds:

I would throw in some print statements

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olds:

no

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SteveG:

OK.... Sounds like fun...

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SteveG:

Thanks

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SteveG:

If I figure it out I will report back.

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olds:

what you'll do is go into modules/tv

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olds:

edit listings.php to add some print_r statements

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SteveG:

OK – I appreciate the help.

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SteveG:

Do the skins fundamentally affect the query?

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SteveG:

Or rather the level of detail in each one?

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olds:

SteveG: no

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SteveG:

Are there any system software requiremnts that would be needed in head vs fixes? Versions etc to your knowledge?

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SteveG:

olds: OK

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olds:

not that I know of

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Mersault:

I have a decent number of recordings that were improperly deleted, so my log files fill up with errors about missing files, but it doesn't delete the metadata. Is there a script that will clean these references from the database for me?

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Dagmar:

You can use `touch` to create those files so the thing has osmething to delete.

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Dagmar:

You may slap your forehead now.

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RyeBrye:

SteveG: you need devel versions for the head, and you have to be able to compile... you wont get any support getting head to work because it's not meant for general release

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Dagmar:

I.e., if you come in here with problems from HEAD, we get to laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh at you.

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RyeBrye:

and use !trout a few times

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SteveG:

OK....

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RyeBrye:

!trout self keep-trouting-arm-in-shape

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** MythLogBot slaps self with a keep-trouting-arm-in-shape trout on behalf of RyeBrye... **

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SteveG:

I can compile I was just noting some minor issues with MythWeb and wanted to see if others had similar issues..... Would mythtv be a better place for this discussion?

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Dagmar:

Not unless you have a patch

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Dagmar:

it r epic!

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Dagmar:

wrong channel

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AndyCap:

meh, windows gets the cool hardware: http://www.ricavision.com/ricavision_webupdate/rica100.html

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olds:

RyeBrye: he has issues with mythweb

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olds:

hence, no compiling

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