Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, June 27th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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mkrufky:

what's the problem, cheeseboy?

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cheeseboy:

sound off from video

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mkrufky:

you mean, not in sync ?

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cheeseboy:

ya

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mkrufky:

forgive me if i ask questions you've already answered — i looked in the log and didnt see much

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cheeseboy:

its ok

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mkrufky:

are you using DMA audio or are you using audio from the tv card connected via the internal aux cable?

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cheeseboy:

im using cable from card to line in on sound card

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mkrufky:

ok

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blackest:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

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mkrufky:

and it's perfectly in sync when you're using tvtime or xawtv, but not synced in mythtv, correct?

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cheeseboy:

yes

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blackest:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.ht . . . ooting_Audio

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mkrufky:

yeah, those are good links :-)

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mkrufky:

you should set up mythtv to use DMA audio

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mkrufky:

i think you'll need to use snd-bt87x kernel module ... thats all i really know about it

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blackest:

good luck best i can do for you , i gotta sleep

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wh0dat:

same here

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cheeseboy:

thnx gor it

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cheeseboy:

got*

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CRXLNX:

does anyone here use a NON-debian based distro with mythtv?

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cheeseboy:

i used to run it on gentoo

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CRXLNX:

how was that cheeseboy?

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GreyFoxx:

CRXLNX: I run all my mythboxes, just like all of my linux boxes under Slackware

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CRXLNX:

nice

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Kevorkian:

debian is the new gentoo

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cheeseboy:

CRXLNX, i followed tut on their site and had no problem

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CRXLNX:

I am planning on using the only capture card I have (rage128pro AIW w/bt878) will that work at all?

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directhex:

Kevorkian, nope, Arch is the new gentoo. debian's the new debian

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directhex:

CRXLNX, very badly

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CRXLNX:

directhex: would you say I should not pursue the project till I have a better card?

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directhex:

CRXLNX, that's a reasonable thing to consider

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CRXLNX:

ok, thanks for the candor directhex

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DMJC-L:

anyone got a script to generate thumbnails?

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DMJC-L:

a working script to generate thumbnails I should add

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clever:

can i change my master backend to another box without any side effects?

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clever:

just by changing the backend server ip

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dan__t:

I love rolling blackouts.

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dan__t:

Guess that's my fault for not investing in a decent set of UPS's

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newbiehere:

Just to confirm I should be able to access/setup my mp3 dir with mythmusic and it shouldn't affect non-myth usage. Can I mess up a shared pictures directory by setting up mythgallery to use it across a network?

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clever:

i have a ups covering a host or 2 but not much

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dan__t:

I'm looking to somehow adjust the aspect ratio of a video input in an effort to append some sort of banner or some such on the top, left, bottom, or right of the output feed. Does MythTV have a mechanism to support this?

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dan__t:

Say I want to take some coax as an input and shrink it to be able to use 20% of the bottom of the output for a powerpoint presentation or some other video that MythTV would be playing blah blah

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clever:

you could use the options for the playback area

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clever:

to make it use a certain half of the screen(80% maybe)

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clever:

then just resize another video player to go under that window

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dan__t:

awesome

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dan__t:

Does mythtv have a mechanism to be er "intelligent" about that

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dan__t:

I don't even know how to say it – know how to play two sources, and where to put them?

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clever:

you would have to start that second source manualy in another app

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dan__t:

ok.

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clever:

but you could run a linux based pp viewer in that area

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dan__t:

Cool, power went out again, I missed any responses :(

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dan__t:

I don't even know who was feeding me information hah! Who was it?

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clever:

[26 20:24:13] <dan__t> ok.

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clever:

[26 20:24:26] <clever> but you could run a linux based pp viewer in that area

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clever:

dan__t: thats the last thing to happen after you talked

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fall0ut:

So, what ATSC tuner cards are reccomended now, and are there any supported by IVTV etc that are like the PVR-250 w/ onboard MPG2?

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GreyFoxx:

fall0ut: IVTV only supports the PVR* cards

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GreyFoxx:

and ATSC tuenrs do not need onboard compression,

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GreyFoxx:

the digital stream you get is already compressed

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fall0ut:

So, going from ATSC -> MPG2 isn't a big deal CPU wise?

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sphery:

ATSC is MPEG-2

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fall0ut:

ah

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sphery:

So, no. Not a bit deal. :)

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fall0ut:

ok, what ATSC cards have good linux support then ? :P

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sphery:

I have 4xpcHDTV HD-3000. The HD-5500 (the one they're selling now) is better.

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sphery:

There are cheaper ones, too. A lot of people like the AverMedia A-180 (I think that's it).

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fall0ut:

So, the HD-5500 that's the pcHDTV card, right?

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fall0ut:

How many of them'll work in a single system?

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sphery:

But, I won't recommend any. I don't want to be the one you blame if there are issues. :)

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fall0ut:

haha

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fall0ut:

naw

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sphery:

Right. HD-5500 is pcHDTV.

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sphery:

I tried putting all 4 of mine in my dedicated master backend.

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sphery:

The power supply couldn't handle it.

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sphery:

So, I have 2 backends--each with 2 HD-3000's.

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sphery:

And one dedicated frontend.

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HrdwrBoB:

and you couldn't... get a new power supply

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HrdwrBoB:

?

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sphery:

My system is rock-solid stable.

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fall0ut:

So on it, you can do either 1 ATSC or 1 NTSC stream at a time?

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wh0dat:

so apparently i cant use the em2880 driver for my hauppage 950, alongside my already installed pvr-500?

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fall0ut:

does NTSC -> MPG2 eat up a lot of CPU in it?

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sphery:

A lot of people I"ve talked to on the list even have problems with 2 in the same system because of power issues.

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fall0ut:

really? hrm

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fall0ut:

I wanted to put 4 or 5 in this box

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sphery:

(It's not just a matter of having a good quality or a super huge power supply...)

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HrdwrBoB:

huge PSUs are not expensive atm

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sphery:

fall0ut: Yes, you /can/ do NTSC, but it's a frame grabber card (i.e. CPU is used for encoding, so it takes a lot of power), but--IMHO--you /shouldn't/ do NTSC with them.

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HrdwrBoB:

my 550W truepower handles 6x500gb drives, core2, system drive, 6800GS and a DTV1000T

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sphery:

If you need both ATSC and NTSC, I highly recommend getting PVR-150's to go with the ATSC cards.

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fall0ut:

hrm

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fall0ut:

So, this isn't actually a mythtv box/question, but you guys know the linux capture cards better than anyone

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sphery:

HrdwrBoB: Huge PSU's won't necessarily work. You need a lot of /very/ clean power. The /very/ clean is a challenge when you have several of these cards.

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fall0ut:

It's to replace a Wegener DTV720 box

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sphery:

If the poewr isn't clean, you'll get severe recording issues.

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HrdwrBoB:

sphery: so it's more a question of quality

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sphery:

Steven Adeff has some very big and /very/ good quality power supplies and can't run 2 in his box. I have one big and good PSU and one medium and cheap PSU and can run 2 HD-3000's in mine.

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sphery:

It's also difficult because most all of the big quality PSU's today have big 3.3V rails and are lacking on the 5V rails.

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sphery:

The HD-3000 needs 5V. (Don't know about the HD-5500.)

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sphery:

Basically, since most hardware has already moved to 3.3V, that's where PSU manufacturers are focusing their efforts.

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fall0ut:

hrm

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fall0ut:

I'm wondering if it's even worth it

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fall0ut:

to try and replace these encoders w/ linux

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sphery:

Anyway, although I started out with a plan of having one backend, I'm /very/ glad that I now have 2 backends because I have 2 times as many spindles available and am getting significantly less fragmentation because of it (thanks to Storage Groups).

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sphery:

What's a Wegener DTV720? A cable company PVR or something?

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fall0ut:

no

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fall0ut:

http://www.realfuckingnews.com/~tim/iptv/Picture6.jpg

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fall0ut:

check out the bottom of the rack

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fall0ut:

http://www.wegener.com/PRODUCTS/DIGITAL_TV_PR . . . DTV_720B.php

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sphery:

Nice...

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sphery:

I'm guessing that's not at home?

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fall0ut:

work

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sphery:

Are you inheriting them and trying to work them into a Myth setup?

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sphery:

Or trying to replace them at work with a Myth setup?

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fall0ut:

not mythtv, VLC probably

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fall0ut:

embedded VLC box

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fall0ut:

and not gonna replace these, I did this setup using real gear

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sphery:

Oh. Cool.

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fall0ut:

but for the next one, I think I can do it for less money using linux/capture cards

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fall0ut:

This is all over-the-air HD/SD -> mpg2 multicast

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HrdwrBoB:

sphery: eh, I just have it on raid anwyay

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sphery:

Cool.

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fall0ut:

So for ATSC -> MPG2 multicast for HD, I think the HD-5500 may work, I just wonder if I can put 3 or 4 in 1 box

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sphery:

HrdwrBoB: Once you get to storage groups, you may want to break apart your RAID... The lack of fragmentation is really nice...

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sphery:

Also, having one spindle per recording with no seeking is great...

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sphery:

But, no redundancy.

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fall0ut:

I think in the next market we're about to hit we have 7x HD stations & 14 SD stations

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fall0ut:

hrm, these cards are cheap

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fall0ut:

I'll try and see

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sphery:

I have to admit that the multiple points of failure in MD scares me.

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sphery:

fall0ut: I think the A-180 is cheaper (about $80, IIRC).

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fall0ut:

price isn't a real big deal

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fall0ut:

as long as I come in @ under $140k for all of these stations I'm ok :P

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fall0ut:

I'd rather have the better card

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sphery:

From what I've heard, the A-180 is better for QAM (cable), but the HD-3000 does great 8VSB (OTA).

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sphery:

However, the HD-5500 may have the same benefits as the A-180 for QAM (haven't really kept up with it since I got mine).

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sphery:

I think you should be able to squeak in under the 140k mark...

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sphery:

:)

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fall0ut:

that rack there is about $125k

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sphery:

Wow.

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fall0ut:

that includes the antennas on top, too

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fall0ut:

http://www.realfuckingnews.com/~tim/iptv/Picture1.jpg

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fall0ut:

http://www.realfuckingnews.com/~tim/iptv/Picture2.jpg

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fall0ut:

http://www.realfuckingnews.com/~tim/iptv/Picture3.jpg

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sphery:

Do you work in the TV industry?

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fall0ut:

no

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sphery:

Cool antenna design.

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fall0ut:

Telecom :P

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sphery:

Very different from mine.

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sphery:

Oh.

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fall0ut:

I transport the OTA stations to IPTV providers

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fall0ut:

through-out TN

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sphery:

Just wondering if you knew what an real-time HDTV encoder costs...

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fall0ut:

no clue what an encoder costs

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fall0ut:

the wegener box wasn't cheap

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sphery:

My local stations are really starting to annoy me. They put animated ads/bugs in the programs.

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fall0ut:

I ended up with 2 of them & 1 tut astria box

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sphery:

But, because they don't have equipment to do real-time HDTV decode/add-bug/re-encode, they cut from 5.1-ch audio HDTV to 2-channel audio SDTV with linear stretch just to say, "Tune in at 11:00..." or whatever.

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sphery:

So, it goes from great picture, to short, fat, fuzzy people with an ad on bottom.

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fall0ut:

The HD-5500 has a max power consumption of 245mA on 5V, 305mA on 3.3V, and 590mA on 1.8V.

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fall0ut:

HD-5500 doesn't look too bad

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sphery:

Might be able to get several of them to work in a system.

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sphery:

They do run hot, though.

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fall0ut:

So right now, I only pickup the ATSC streams and then send them in SD to the encoders for all of the SD channels

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fall0ut:

but we have a problem where none of the HD transmitters are backed up

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fall0ut:

so the site loses power

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fall0ut:

and we lose the HD stations

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fall0ut:

so we're about to start picking up the NTSC stuff next...

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fall0ut:

which is a wast eof money, but I'm gonna see if I can get away with using some of the hauppauge cards + vlc to do that

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fall0ut:

and if that works the HD-5500 to do HD from now on, too

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sphery:

Cool.

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sphery:

Good luck.

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sphery:

I've got to go get some dinner.

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sphery:

And watch a bit of HDTV on my Myth box...

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sphery:

:)

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HrdwrBoB:

sphery: my main problem with my raid is the noice

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HrdwrBoB:

noise

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HrdwrBoB:

the server is next to me in the study atm, and it writes.. *chunk*.... *chunk*

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HrdwrBoB:

6 disks writing in parallel

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clever:

lol

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sphery:

HrdwrBoB: Yeah. That could be annoying. At least it's not in the TV room, though (right?).

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HrdwrBoB:

haha no

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HrdwrBoB:

I have a mozart sx in the lounge

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HrdwrBoB:

I'm also planning to build a house, and I'm looking at selecting a PC/case configuration that I can put in several rooms in the house

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HrdwrBoB:

if anyone has recommendations on reasonably priced mythtv f-e boxes that are HD capable, I'd like to hear them

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Mixx:

is there an alternative to zap2it when they "shut down" in september?

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kormoc:

Mixx, check the mailing list thread

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kormoc:

or the wiki

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Mixx:

ok thx, sorry i was half a click from checking it before i asked and "nah it prob won't be there" took over.

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HrdwrBoB:

/window 12

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dan__t:

Let's see how long we can last here without my power going out again.

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dan__t:

So I was looking for a way to take some traditional input – coax, rca, whatever – adjust the size of the output to fit maybe 80% of the screen, and put some other content, like a repeating video from disk, on the bottom 20%. I was told I'd need to use a seperate application to run the repeating video or content on the bottom, Which kind of program would I use?

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dan__t:

Think about the ticker that plays on CNN or something, that's kindof what I'm going for.

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DMJC-L:

how would you delete all the mysql data for film covers?

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cheeseboy:

how i adjust hue and color brightness that stuff ?

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cogswell:

anyone have a suggestion for a WPA compilant 802.11G NIC that will work in a pow profile case?

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cogswell:

low that is

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ArsonaL:

i might be daft

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ArsonaL:

but is there a way to re-name programs that are just called unknown ? :)

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ArsonaL:

because I am not too sure how to get program info, im using a bell express vu and have to keep it on channel 3 so I cant turn the channel with it anyways blah blah blah

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kormoc:

ArsonaL, so how are you having myth record?

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ArsonaL:

through coax

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ArsonaL:

i have coax T.V. out -> MythTV

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kormoc:

ArsonaL, right, but you're not using lirc + a channel changing script or the like?

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ArsonaL:

no, I havent read that far yet

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ArsonaL:

im just setting it up now and playing with it

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kormoc:

well, when you do that, then the meta-data will be correct

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kormoc:

cause right now, it doesn't know the channel you tuned to, hence the unknown

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kormoc:

you can edit the meta-data by hand in the db if you'd like tho

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ArsonaL:

hurm

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ArsonaL:

I dont have any IR stuff, I assume I can emulate it with lirc ?

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ArsonaL:

I have a PVR – 150 with out the IR

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kormoc:

lirc needs a ir blaster of sorts. Typically people use a serial ir blaster they build or buy for ~$15 or so

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ArsonaL:

oh hah

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kormoc:

lirc.org would have more info on supported devices

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ArsonaL:

crap, hah, i knew it would be easier if I had got the one with the remote.. I asked for it but they gave me the one without

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kormoc:

the remote only means it has the receiver, not a blaster

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Tanthrix:

ArsonaL: Just to be sure, you are using TV out because you have to right? (IE, you have digital cable / satellite, etc...) ?

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ArsonaL:

yea, I have bell express vu

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ArsonaL:

coax on the bell tuner -> coax on the PVR – 150 tuner

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Tanthrix:

Oh right, you mentioned that, sorry

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Tanthrix:

Any chance your box has firewire output?

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Tanthrix:

That's generally the way to go if you can get it up and working stably, and you often don't need an ir blaster

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ArsonaL:

its a bit older, so probably not.. i will check though, – would you guys reccomend a USB IR blaster if I were to get one?

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kormoc:

I love the ms mceusb kit (keyboard, remote, blaster)

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Tanthrix:

Only a few are supported from what I understand, so make sure you check first

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ArsonaL:

it has svideo, rca, and coax only

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Tanthrix:

ArsonaL: Yah, then unless you can get a new box with firewire out (In the US it's required) then you have to go with the ir blaster approach

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Tanthrix:

(Unless you only have basic cable, and all your channels happen to be provided over analog as well, which is the case in some places)

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, it's not required for satalite tv

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Tanthrix:

Oh, Bell Vu is satellite – didn't know that

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ArsonaL:

im canadian eh

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xris:

Tanthrix: they're the canadian counterpart to dishnetwork

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Tanthrix:

Ahh, I see

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ArsonaL:

I dont know if I am too big of a fan of them

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Tanthrix:

I've never had satellite in my life, so I'm afraid I'm in the dark about it

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ArsonaL:

I didnt even use the thing

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ArsonaL:

I get it for free

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: Could you elaborate a bit just so I know?

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ArsonaL:

then I felt my life was void, so I wanted to watch more T.V.

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ArsonaL:

and I figured I might as well turn it in to a project of some sort

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Tanthrix:

Ahh yes, filling life voids with TV. I do that.

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: I thought most north american satellite stuff is encrypted, so you have to do the above approach

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ArsonaL:

I figure I will probably just use the 500gb on this box there to store backups of shit hahaha

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, the FCC ruling about required firewire only applys to cable cos, not satalite cos

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Tanthrix:

Oh, misunderstood what you were saying. I did know that at least, heh

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Tanthrix:

By the way, got a link for that mceusb kit you mentioned? Not finding it anywhere

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kormoc:

http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pNa . . . bfec12a923bf

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Tanthrix:

Looks pretty spiffy.

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Tanthrix:

My remote has been giving me trouble lately, so it might be time for a new one

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xris:

Tanthrix: it's a nice remote

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xris:

only thing better I think would probably be a top-end logitech harmony

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Tanthrix:

Only $30 for the remote and reciever, not a bad deal

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Tanthrix:

And the reciever is fully supported via lirc, I take it?

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kormoc:

aye, and one of the blasters (sadly, not both)

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Tanthrix:

Oh, I didn't even notice it had blasters

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xris:

kormoc: couldn't get the second one working yet?

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kormoc:

haven't bothered

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xris:

heh

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Tanthrix:

Is the remote capable of being programmed to use on TV sets and the like?

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, TV Power + Volume

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Tanthrix:

That's all I need actually

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Tanthrix:

So are there any known issues with myth not correctly detecting files as interlaced? The transport streams that come off my cable box don't seem to be detected correctly

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Tanthrix:

Lots of times I have to go set it manually (And even then, it seems like if I skip around or backwards it resets back to detect)

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DMJC-L:

ok I run mythbackend as root

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DMJC-L:

connect to it as root

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DMJC-L:

and I can use mythtv fine

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DMJC-L:

when I try to connect as a user it hangs when browsing videos

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DMJC-L:

any ideas?

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Dagmar:

Where was the "I read the installtion instructions" step

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HrdwrBoB:

where is the "I fail at understanding permissions at a fundmental level" admission

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DMJC-L:

well considering that all my media is owned by my user account and not my root account

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DMJC-L:

it should be readable

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Dagmar:

There's more to it than that.

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Dagmar:

I'm sure if you look at the logs for the backend and the mysql server, something will jump right out at you that you would have done if you'd read the installation instructions.

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DMJC-L:

oh yeah in video manager I can scan through the media and it appears in the list

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DMJC-L:

heh make my.cnf user read/writeable?

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** kormoc blinks **

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Dagmar:

Sure, why not. It beats doing something intelligent.

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DMJC-L:

well the problem has disappeared now

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DMJC-L:

so whatever

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Dagmar:

Glad we could be of help.

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HrdwrBoB:

np

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Krazylegz:

juski: You around?

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DMJC-L:

does the mythtv video library use the database for anything?

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DMJC-L:

say I go into a folder that has 10 files

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DMJC-L:

and I hit play

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DMJC-L:

on file 5

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DMJC-L:

can mythtv be made to play files 6/7/8/9 after file 5 has finished playing?

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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DMJC-L:

is it a builtin command?

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Dagmar:

No, it's not a command.

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Dagmar:

It's something you just _set_ for that particular file.

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DMJC-L:

huh?

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Dagmar:

Hit info or whatever when you're looking at the file in mythvideo setup

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DMJC-L:

ah yup I see it

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DMJC-L:

isn't that a bit of effort though if you have to set that on every file?

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DMJC-L:

I'm talking about for an entire series

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DMJC-L:

say I want to watch an entire season of startek in order in one sitting

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DMJC-L:

that's like 26 times going back to the mythtv menu

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laga:

get a life

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laga:

or mka e playlist for mplayer ;)

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DMJC-L:

I have a life... I'd also like my digital media crap to be nice

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laga:

s/mka e/make/

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DMJC-L:

esp since this is going to be a pvr as well as a media library

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map7home:

i'm trying to use shepherd to get my EPG and myth ends up only showing me a few stations can anyone help me?

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map7home:

all the XMLTV ID's are the same in myth as they are in shepherd

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map7home:

and shepherd gets all the programmes correctly

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imsdle:

i can't connect to my mythtv server from my front end ubuntu box...

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imsdle:

where do i paste the error?

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map7home:

you can paste the error at http://pastebin.ca

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juski:

DMJC-L: if your files are named consecutively, mythvideo will automatically set them up to play one after the other with that method!

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DMJC-L:

hmm

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juski:

i.e. it'll set the 'file to always play after this' as the next file

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laga:

nice. the nvidia docs for the 8776 drivers seem to be wrong. i have to use "UseDisplayDevice "TV-0" " instead of "ConnectedMonitor "TV" " to force my 7600gs to output to the TV. weird.

[09:03:43]

Tanthrix:

Hrm, I've seen TNG, Voyager, and DS9 all the way through probably 3–4 times each, but I've never done 1 season in a whole sitting!

[09:03:59]

juski:

e.g. leet-haxx0r-gr00p-24-series5-episode12.avi leet-haxx0r-gr00p-24-series5-episode13.avi leet-haxx0r-gr00p-24-series5-episode14.avi will play one after the other in theory without needing any intervention from you

[09:04:00]

** Tanthrix tips his hat to DMJC-L **

[09:04:39]

juski:

notice I'm not suggesting you recorded the series yourself!

[09:05:04]

DMJC-L:

I notice heh

[09:05:06]

Tanthrix:

Could only stomach Enterprise once, and I'm waiting for the original series to be released in HD

[09:05:26]

DMJC-L:

hey when I get $4000 for star trek I'll buy it :)

[09:06:45]

DMJC-L:

ooh nice

[09:06:51]

DMJC-L:

it worked on drawn together

[09:08:00]

juski:

just make sure your episodes are suitably named – though that's too much like hard work for some lazy idiots

[09:08:17]

Ruleke:

or some lazy geniuses too

[09:08:34]

Ruleke:

hello juski :)

[09:09:09]

juski:

geniuses can be idiots too :)

[09:09:11]

DMJC-L:

hmm what sort of naming convention?

[09:09:14]

juski:

hello Ruleke

[09:09:16]

DMJC-L:

I'm finding some things are working

[09:09:17]

DMJC-L:

some aren't

[09:09:24]

juski:

DMJC-L: CONSECUTIVE

[09:09:38]

DMJC-L:

I have consecutive names

[09:09:43]

juski:

I bet you don't

[09:09:48]

DMJC-L:

I assume that all episode unique stuff needs to be removed though

[09:09:49]

DMJC-L:

eg

[09:09:53]

juski:

I bet one or 2 chars are different

[09:10:01]

Ruleke:

yer

[09:10:15]

Tanthrix:

You mean myth can't tell by itself whether Encounter at Farpoint or All Good Things comes first?

[09:10:20]

DMJC-L:

what I mean is ds9 s101 – episode name

[09:10:23]

juski:

they have to be like (simplified here) StarTrek1.avi StarTrek2.avi StarTrek3.avi

[09:10:23]

Ruleke:

or set the 'play next' manually, but that's more 'work'

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[09:10:36]

DMJC-L:

ds9 s102 – episode something

[09:10:42]

DMJC-L:

won't queue consecutively

[09:10:44]

DMJC-L:

however

[09:10:46]

Ruleke:

that won't work indeed

[09:10:48]

juski:

so that isn't consecutive then

[09:11:00]

DMJC-L:

ds9 s102 and ds9 s103 will without the extra info after

[09:11:06]

Ruleke:

yez

[09:11:06]

DMJC-L:

hmm

[09:11:07]

DMJC-L:

k

[09:11:09]

juski:

well duh

[09:11:17]

Ruleke:

:)

[09:11:25]

Tanthrix:

DMJC-L: I am quite lazy, but I must say clicking down and play every 45 minutes is hardly a chore..

[09:11:29]

DMJC-L:

well I'd have thought the algorithm would be smarter than that heh

[09:11:34]

juski:

that's exactly how I said it works but hey no need to take my word for it

[09:11:41]

Ruleke:

I actually bought an STB...

[09:11:54]

Ruleke:

High Def harddisk recorder

[09:11:59]

Ruleke:

it works rather well

[09:12:15]

Ruleke:

no shenanigan limits on it afaict

[09:12:23]

DMJC-L:

nice

[09:12:25]

DMJC-L:

hmm

[09:12:37]

DMJC-L:

oh..

[09:12:42]

DMJC-L:

I think I get it now

[09:12:46]

DMJC-L:

so if I want episode names

[09:12:48]

Ruleke:

almost obsoletes my myth setup, kind of sad

[09:12:51]

DMJC-L:

I just call my files whatever

[09:13:00]

DMJC-L:

and then edit the database to have the episode info?

[09:13:04]

juski:

DMJC-L: YES

[09:13:05]

Ruleke:

and use 'play next'

[09:13:07]

DMJC-L:

k

[09:13:13]

Ruleke:

you can set that through the gui too btw

[09:13:13]

juski:

god that was hard work

[09:13:55]

DMJC-L:

play next is already auto configuring itself on my machine

[09:14:03]

DMJC-L:

I just wanted to be sure

[09:14:08]

laga:

yay, my 7600GS can do 720x576 on the tv-out port \o/

[09:14:32]

Tanthrix:

laga: Do they normally have problems with PAL or something?

[09:14:55]

laga:

Tanthrix: my geforce 4 mx didn't have such a modeline, AFAIK, but that was along time ago

[09:15:01]

Tanthrix:

Ahh, I see.

[09:15:20]

laga:

now i need to figure out how i can prevent KDE from starting on :0.1 :(

[09:15:33]

juski:

uninstall it! :D

[09:15:56]

laga:

juski: :0.0 wouldn't be happy about that

[09:17:37]

DMJC-L:

hmm

[09:17:41]

laga:

i figured my desktop could act as a frontend, too :)

[09:17:43]

DMJC-L:

it's set to play the next file

[09:17:46]

DMJC-L:

but it's not playing it

[09:17:54]

DMJC-L:

does that feature work in gallery mode?

[09:18:06]

juski:

should work in any mode

[09:18:07]

laga:

juski: hey, do i still need to set my display to 100DPI if i'm running svn trunk?

[09:18:24]

juski:

laga: not sure. I think I saw a commit to remove that requirement

[09:18:26]

juski:

http://www.juski.co.uk/promo/tshirt.jpg

[09:18:28]

juski:

oops

[09:18:46]

laga:

juski: same here

[09:19:01]

DMJC-L:

hmm

[09:19:11]

laga:

juski: nice shirt. make sure the text is still readbale when it's printed :)

[09:19:31]

juski:

should be at 600DPI printing :)

[09:19:37]

laga:

nifty :)

[09:20:09]

laga:

juski: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/13388

[09:20:14]

juski:

can't imagine me allowing a smelly linux geek to stand close enough to read it though! hahahaha

[09:20:17]

laga:

juski: i'll set the display to 100DPI regardless

[09:21:05]

** laga wonders if a 4:3 TV at 720x576 has suqare pixels or not **

[09:21:14]

juski:

no

[09:21:27]

juski:

they'd be square at 768x576 IIRC

[09:21:33]

laga:

thanks. i can't use nvidia's "edid" option then

[09:21:48]

laga:

s/edid/dpi/

[09:21:53]

** laga needs to wake the fsck up **

[09:22:56]

Tanthrix:

Mythtv – the PVR platform that is quite usable!

[09:23:26]

Merlin83b:

Quite the catchy slogan crafter.

[09:23:29]

juski:

apparently the HT guys really dig blootube

[09:23:41]

** Tanthrix thinks juski shouldn't quit his day job for marketing **

[09:23:56]

juski:

!trout Tanthrix

[09:23:56]

** MythLogBot slaps Tanthrix with a trout on behalf of juski... **

[09:24:01]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[09:24:14]

juski:

you do one then, you cheeky fuck

[09:24:21]

siXy:

laga would you mind pasting your xorg.conf including the 720x576 modeline when its working? ive been having issues with mine (partly due to using entirely the wrong distro)

[09:25:13]

laga:

siXy: i just used "720x576" as the resolution.

[09:25:23]

juski:

I think I SHOULD however quit my dayjob. it's making me miserable

[09:25:34]

Tanthrix:

No, it looks good. I just think that quote is really damned weird to put on it. Really damned weird.

[09:25:41]

Ruleke:

you can make it interesting instead of quitting ;)

[09:26:01]

juski:

make testing CDRW & DVDRW drives interesting HOW?

[09:26:15]

laga:

test them by watching movies

[09:26:45]

DMJC-L:

hmm

[09:26:52]

Ruleke:

everything is more fun when drunk

[09:27:04]

DMJC-L:

when it's setup correctly what should it do to play through?

[09:27:08]

siXy:

invent inventive tests. the "does it survive a 10 storey drop" is a good place to start

[09:27:10]

juski:

even driving a 60 mile round trip, I bet!

[09:27:12]

DMJC-L:

eg should you be able to scroll into the next video?

[09:27:26]

Ruleke:

60 mile total ?

[09:27:34]

Ruleke:

I live 60km from work myself

[09:27:59]

juski:

62 miles – 31 each way :(

[09:28:10]

Ruleke:

ah I drive 60km each way

[09:28:15]

Tanthrix:

juski: I'd probably go with something like "MythTV – The free as in freedom (and beer!) DVR suite that kicks the pants off of Tivo" – just weird having some random quote from Issac on it about how it's "usable" – Love the show grid graphic though. That must have taken a while.

[09:28:29]

Ruleke:

37 miles apparently

[09:28:47]

juski:

Tanthrix: Isaac's quote is better than yours!

[09:29:04]

juski:

but hey I agree & I'll change it to something else

[09:29:21]

Ruleke:

I like the isaac quote about the mythical box thingy

[09:29:27]

Tanthrix:

"Hi, my name is Joe Somebody and I made this software that's quite usable" is better than a cheesy "kicks the pants off of Tivo" retort? I think not. ;)

[09:29:30]

Ruleke:

forgot it tho

[09:29:36]

laga:

change it to some random lines from #mythtv where the developers yell at a newbies ;)

[09:30:03]

Tanthrix:

The "Everytime you use a framegrabber card juski kills a kitten" quote would be good

[09:30:06]

juski:

people in the UK generally don't even know wtf a weevo is

[09:30:21]

laga:

Tanthrix: hehe

[09:30:29]

siXy:

how about: "mythtv. works great on framegrabbers. email juski@juski.com for support"

[09:30:36]

Tanthrix:

Excellent!

[09:30:36]

juski:

"makes $ly plu$ look like even more of a rip-off ?"

[09:30:44]

Tanthrix:

I'll have theem screen printed by tomorrow.

[09:31:03]

juski:

they can email juski@juski.com all they like! muhahaha

[09:31:16]

juski:

or juski@juski.co.uk

[09:31:55]

Ruleke:

http://www.doze.net/~mj/presentations/mythtv/html/text1.html

[09:32:12]

juski:

I thought about having a quote from the compiler about the destructor

[09:32:37]

DMJC-L:

would there be any other reasons why it won't play the next file?

[09:32:41]

laga:

i have jsut read enough over screen size, resolutions etc to make my poor head hurt.

[09:32:47]

DMJC-L:

the naming is correct, and multiple files are linked

[09:32:56]

Tanthrix:

juski: What you said earlier just computed: How the hell do you print at 600 dpi on a t-shirt?

[09:33:01]

juski:

Ruleke: I love that quote. I miss the one about the MPAA going to hell

[09:33:15]

juski:

Tanthrix: I made it up? :D

[09:33:16]

Ruleke:

yer

[09:33:19]

juski:

should be fine anyway

[09:33:33]

Tanthrix:

Was gonna say...heh

[09:33:47]

juski:

it IS 600DPI printing though

[09:33:54]

Tanthrix:

Just test it out before you order 1000 shirts

[09:34:01]

juski:

only gonna get 3 or 4

[09:34:19]

juski:

£9.97 each

[09:34:30]

Ruleke:

"Any time you skip a commercial or watch the button you're actually stealing the programming." --Jamie Kellner, CEO Turner broadcasting

[09:35:10]

juski:

"Whatever. TSWGAF... " – Juski, creator of the blootube-wide theme

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[09:35:41]

Ruleke:

mythtv, stealing broadcasting since 2002 ;)

[09:38:06]

DMJC-L:

I'm not the only person having this issue

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[09:38:26]

Dagmar:

That just makes for a bigger audience, not a larger tiny little violin

[09:38:30]

DMJC-L:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/267938

[09:38:40]

DMJC-L:

this is what's happenning on my machine posted by someone else

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[09:40:00]

Dagmar:

Did you do what the person advising that guy said?

[09:40:14]

Dagmar:

...or are you being thick like the guy asking has done?

[09:40:26]

Tanthrix:

DMJC-L: You'll be a happier person if you just fix this problem by not caring about it anymore. Unless you're paralyzed from the neck down, you shouldn't be so lazy that you can't press down and play every 22, 45, or 1:20 depending on what you're watching ;)

[09:40:40]

DMJC-L:

the thing is I have a 30" lcd

[09:40:47]

DMJC-L:

so at the moment I have to get up and walk to my pc

[09:40:47]

Dagmar:

Good for you.

[09:40:53]

Dagmar:

Exercise is good.

[09:40:54]

DMJC-L:

when I want to sit on my ass several meters away

[09:41:00]

DMJC-L:

and have a nice run through of shows

[09:41:12]

laga:

get a remote? :)

[09:41:13]

Dagmar:

There's this cool thing I saw mentioned on Wired a few days ago called a "remote control"

[09:41:15]

Tanthrix:

(I say this tongue in cheek, since I used freevo years ago and missed its auto playing feature for a while)

[09:41:15]

DMJC-L:

if I want exercise I'll play with my wii

[09:41:17]

DMJC-L:

heh

[09:41:18]

Dagmar:

It sounds a little risky, but it might work

[09:41:22]

DMJC-L:

my remote is out of power atm

[09:41:23]

DMJC-L:

hehe

[09:41:28]

Dagmar:

Now... for the second time...

[09:41:32]

Dagmar:

Did you do what the person advising that guy said?

[09:41:36]

Dagmar:

...or are you being thick like the guy asking has done?

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DMJC-L:

how do you save in the edit metadata screen?

[09:42:47]

DMJC-L:

I'm in there, I've got it guessing the setting

[09:42:49]

Dagmar:

The big button at the bottom of the screen says something... can't remember what

[09:42:54]

DMJC-L:

I'm clicking done

[09:43:02]

Dagmar:

Ah... "Done".

[09:43:09]

Dagmar:

It should work now.

[09:43:21]

Dagmar:

If it doesn't, then you should file a bug report in trac

[09:43:59]

Dagmar:

Stuff can/does/will break from time to time, but the more bizarre/inadvisable things tend to stay broken until someone botheres to fill out the little form and formally bring it to people's attention.

[09:45:18]

siXy:

by the way is there a fix for poor dvb signal crashing the backend? or is it still just a known issue?

[09:45:33]

juski:

get a bigger signal ?

[09:45:33]

t0ny-p40:

About half of my tv guide data says unkown I delete my sources and did a mythfilldatabase and nothing changed.

[09:47:43]

Dagmar:

Maybe try --refresh-all

[09:49:48]

Tanthrix:

And do-channel-updates after that

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t0ny-p40:

Another quick question while its doing that, what do I need to be able to get eit data?

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siXy:

i guess thats a 'no' then :)

[09:53:51]

t0ny-p40:

Ok, I did both of those and it did not fix it.

[09:54:00]

t0ny-p40:

I dont see any problems with mysql.

[09:55:48]

t0ny-p40:

Screw it. It is 4am I

[09:55:55]

t0ny-p40:

'm going to bed.

[09:55:56]

juski:

siXy: look at the -commits logs – I think I've seen something anout it recently

[09:56:00]

t0ny-p40:

Night all

[09:56:08]

Tanthrix:

Night

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siXy:

juski: thanks

[10:02:57]

juski:

but surely fixing the signal is altogether the best course of action though – whether the backend crashes or not it'd be annoying to miss recordings

[10:03:36]

Dagmar:

So take some rope and pull the satellites in closer.

[10:03:53]

siXy:

Dagmar: ill get right on that :)

[10:03:56]

Dagmar:

...or elevate your disk on a few spare boxes.

[10:04:01]

Dagmar:

s/disk/dish/

[10:04:37]

Dagmar:

...although a signal booster probably wouldn't hurt

[10:04:46]

juski:

http://www.juski.co.uk/tshirt.jpg

[10:05:16]

siXy:

thing is signal *seems* fine – it just keeps throwing hiccups crashing the backend. which its only done since we moved house.

[10:06:22]

Dagmar:

Must be obling bits

[10:06:29]

Dagmar:

s/obling/oblong/;

[10:06:52]

Tanthrix:

siXy: Well, then the obvious solution is to move back! /typical bitchy OSS person solution

[10:07:23]

juski:

revert!

[10:07:33]

siXy:

hehe!

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Tanthrix:

juski: I like it much better, though if you're trying to spread the word about myth it might be better to go with something more descriptive than cryptic.

[10:07:50]

juski:

what?

[10:08:09]

juski:

I'm going with that, end of story

[10:08:28]

juski:

always liked that quote, and if people wanna know more, they go to the .org

[10:08:43]

Tanthrix:

Your shirt, your call.

[10:08:48]

juski:

I'm not gonna have people stinking me out as they try to read what myth is all about from my shirt

[10:08:53]

siXy:

nah i like that quote

[10:08:57]

Tanthrix:

Off to bed, later folks.

[10:08:58]

Dagmar:

"MythTV: OMG IT IZ TEH PWNZ0RZ!"

[10:09:06]

siXy:

tho i think the kitten tshirt also needs to be printed

[10:09:22]

Dagmar:

You have my permission to use the kittenkiller graphic on shirts. :)

[10:09:29]

juski:

it's not high enough res IIRC

[10:09:48]

siXy:

aww :(

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imsdle:

where do you paste errors again?

[10:12:43]

juski:

pastebin.ca

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meteor-1500:

hi all – got some issues with dual digital tuners and scheduling

[10:17:13]

meteor-1500:

i've set it up as two capture cards and sources, but despite that if i schedule two recordings at the same time it says the second one is conflicting and won't record it

[10:17:22]

meteor-1500:

i can however watch one channel while recording another

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meteor-1500:

so it seems mostly to be a problem with the scheduling through program guide

[10:18:12]

meteor-1500:

if i go to scheduling options i can set a recording to prefer one or the other sources, but that seems to make no difference

[10:18:19]

meteor-1500:

any ideas?

[10:18:56]

Honk:

are you sure the channel is available on both tuners? :P

[10:19:07]

Honk:

and that there's no other recording conflcting?

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meteor-1500:

yeah i've looked through it

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[10:21:12]

meteor-1500:

each channel appears only once in the epg

[10:21:44]

imsdle:

im getting a major audio error

[10:21:51]

imsdle:

i have pasted it into the paste bin

[10:22:31]

meteor-1500:

err hang on, this is interesting, mythweb's program guide only has conflicts with a few other channels compared to heaps i have....

[10:23:39]

juski:

imsdle: that's great, but which pastebin & what number post? ;)

[10:24:24]

imsdle:

591684

[10:24:25]

imsdle:

sorry

[10:24:27]

imsdle:

new to this

[10:25:19]

juski:

http://pastebin.ca/591684

[10:25:19]

imsdle:

i did a complete install earlier this week, both front and back and it was all sweet! went to put the computer on the shelf and it corrupted the db. have compeltely reinstalled the server but now can't get the frontend to work

[10:25:21]

imsdle:

arrg

[10:25:48]

imsdle:

yes thats it

[10:26:05]

Dagmar:

Replace that shelf before you put the machine back.

[10:26:11]

Dagmar:

It's clearly incompatible.

[10:26:28]

imsdle:

yeah. i now.. i bumped the power cable and it corrupted the talbes.. i was gutted

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juski:

messy. being gutted I mean

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imsdle:

any ideas for my audio problem

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imsdle:

?

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juski:

more like a video problem by the looks of it

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imsdle:

server or frontend

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juski:

install a proper driver for your VGA card & maybe the audio 'problem' will go away

[10:28:44]

juski:

on the frontend

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imsdle:

proper driver?

[10:29:19]

imsdle:

im using ubuntu 7.04 on the desktop

[10:29:26]

imsdle:

and ubunut server in the backend

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imsdle:

was working fine early in the week before the "shelf" incident

[10:30:07]

juski:

proper driver for your VGA card – i.e. the 'nvidia' driver if you have a nvidia VGA card

[10:32:44]

Dagmar:

Maybe he had the wrong shelf driver loaded.

[10:33:39]

juski:

indeed

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imsdle:

yeah.. well

[10:34:09]

laga:

i have refrained from disabling KDE von my tv-out. now i've just hidden kicker.

[10:34:28]

juski:

kawesome, laga

[10:34:37]

laga:

heh

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laga:

RAM is cheap...

[10:34:52]

juski:

ksince keverything kin kde kmust kbegin kwith kthe kletter 'k'

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Dagmar:

god gcourse gthere gare galternatives

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laga:

juski: gwenview is a KDE app :)

[10:35:22]

Dagmar:

gs/od/of/;

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juski:

but... there's no 'k' in gwenview!

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juski:

I still find that quote sickning.

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imsdle:

hmmm

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imsdle:

looks like a backend problem.. http://pastebin.ca/591696 no idea what i means... damn that shelf

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juski:

woo not enough PCI bus bandwidth! nice. make a note never to use a framegrabber again

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meteor-1500:

this is odd, i've got a dual digital tuner, setup with xml tv for program guides, i've got all the channels for each tuner in the channel setup stuff

[10:48:55]

meteor-1500:

i've got both tuners playing the same channel atm

[10:49:24]

meteor-1500:

backend status says Encoder 1 is local on pvr and is recording: 'Air Crash Investigations' on 7 Digital. This recording will end at 9:35 PM. Encoder 2 is local on pvr and is watching Live TV: 'Unknown' on 7 Digital. This recording will end at 9:00 PM.

[10:50:03]

meteor-1500:

it's like xmltv isn't grabbing the program guide data for the second tuner

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laga:

did you bind the second input to your video source?

[10:51:13]

meteor-1500:

well i set it up as two capture cards and then two video sources, one set for each capture card

[10:51:39]

Dagmar:

Do you have two different sources for your video?

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meteor-1500:

yeah it's a dual digital tuner

[10:52:08]

meteor-1500:

i based my setup on this page http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/DViCO_Fu . . . t_up_Myth_TV

[10:52:16]

meteor-1500:

Card Type=DVB DVT Capture Card (3.x)

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meteor-1500:

Card#=0 (If your usb is working you will also have card 1)

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Dagmar:

No. Listen carefully.

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meteor-1500:

i take that part of it to mean that you set up a video source for each card

[10:52:39]

Dagmar:

Do you have two different sources

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Dagmar:

Okay, clearly this is confusing you. Let me try a different route.

[10:53:35]

meteor-1500:

no idea

[10:53:45]

Dagmar:

Where do the pretty pictures you want to appear on your TV come from?

[10:53:49]

meteor-1500:

do two tuners mean two sources?

[10:53:56]

meteor-1500:

from the same attenna source

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Dagmar:

Yes. Source. As in "where things come from"

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juski:

meteor-1500: not if both tuners get the same lineup

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Dagmar:

Not "where things go to" as in signals going to tuners

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meteor-1500:

ok, it's not exactly clear like that in the howto

[10:55:02]

Dagmar:

Plain English should make it obvious.

[10:55:12]

meteor-1500:

you really hate users don't you

[10:55:28]

Ruleke:

only the ones that ask questions

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Dagmar:

I hate people who go through their lives asleep.

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laga:

rotfl

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Dagmar:

The only thing people writing documentation can do is use simple, straightforward terms.

[10:56:20]

meteor-1500:

well the docs barely mention multiple tuners for the same source

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Dagmar:

If they write "drop the ball" and the user takes that to mean "smash the ball into the nearest policeman's windshield" it's a problem the user's parents should have addressed.

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Dagmar:

Why should they need to?

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Dagmar:

You have one source.

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meteor-1500:

there's one mention with regard to digital+analogue cards

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Dagmar:

You have multiple tuners.

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meteor-1500:

anyway ok i'll reconfigure with it as one source

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meteor-1500:

thanks

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Dagmar:

Ah, now you bother mentioning that you've actually got two sources

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Ruleke:

(12:50:57) meteor-1500: well i set it up as two capture cards and then two video sources, one set for each capture card

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Ruleke:

(12:57:51) Dagmar: Ah, now you bother mentioning that you've actually got two sources

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Ruleke:

in his defense :p

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juski:

one analogue, one digital – so you need two sources unless both analogue & digital carry exactly the same channels

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meteor-1500:

no it's a dual digital tuner, two digital tuners chucked together on a card

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juski:

ah

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Ruleke:

juski: really ?

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meteor-1500:

i'm saying the only mention of dual tuners in the docs is in regard to a digital plus analogue card

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juski:

so just bind both tuners to the same video source

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Ruleke:

juski: what if they carry the same I use EIT ? :)

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meteor-1500:

so one source should be fine for mine

[10:59:46]

Ruleke:

I want to use just EIT for both analog and digital :)

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Dagmar:

Dual tuners isn't any different than sticking in multiple tuner cards.

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juski:

you can have as mnay tuners as you like bound to the same video source if they all carry the same channels :)

[11:00:37]

Ruleke:

even when one doesn't do EIT and I want to use EIT ? :/

[11:01:08]

juski:

not yet no

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Ruleke:

aww

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samesame:

does anybody know what this debian package does in relation to mythtv?

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samesame:

http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mythtvfs-fuse/

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juski:

patch to add volume control to EPG?! WTF planet is that guy on?

[11:01:54]

Ruleke:

it sortof works when you match channelid though :)

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directhex|work:

samesame, http://outflux.net/software/pkgs/mythtvfs-fuse/ ?

[11:03:40]

meteor-1500:

Dagmar: yep, it's just that there's no mention of how you handle dual cards or tuners in the video sources stage. a sentance "Multiple tuners/cards that carry the same source of channels(antenna, cable, etc) are set up as the same source." or something to that effect

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juski:

ah – seems mythtv could have the volume adjusted while in the livetv EPG. weirdness

[11:03:57]

directhex|work:

samesame, it's a FUSE filesystem to do largely the same thing as mythrename

[11:04:01]

juski:

meteor-1500: make it so :)

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samesame:

ok

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Dagmar:

meteor-1500: Look carefully at what you wrote and think about how similar to "Milk that is white, is also white"

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Dagmar:

It really should be pretty self-evident that if you get your viddies from say, Comcast Cable, that you have just one source

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juski:

mmm viddies

[11:08:07]

juski:

so er.. how the hell does one submit news items to mythtvnews.com ?

[11:08:31]

laga:

oh

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Dagmar:

Wait for the next PHP exploit

[11:08:35]

laga:

yet another mythtv website

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meteor-1500:

lol are any of them useful for keeping up with whats in development?

[11:10:44]

juski:

read the -dev and -commits list, dummies

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siXy:

mythnettv – thats a new one on me. mythweb with streaming or something?

[11:11:06]

juski:

though you might need an adulkt to translate it into plain text

[11:11:22]

juski:

siXy: mythnews for pooptube

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siXy:

ah :S

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siXy:

i might skip that one then

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juski:

pooptube, goggle viddies etc

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siXy:

and on updating the website – seems its too updated for slapper so you might just have to do it the oldfashioned way juski

[11:12:56]

juski:

email him? screw that

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siXy:

heh :)

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samesame:

the futures bright, the futures mythtv

[11:16:09]

samesame:

step into the beyond world of television, step inside mythtv

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juski:

the future here is bright – they just made 6 people redundant last Friday. figure that out

[11:16:38]

samesame:

6 people redundant from the mythtv project :-/

[11:16:39]

samesame:

?

[11:16:47]

laga:

today, i shall create a lircrc for my ati remote for inputlircd. wish me luck.

[11:16:51]

juski:

here == work

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samesame:

oh i see

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laga:

samesame: no, in his day job

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Dagmar:

So, new parking spots will be opening up shortly then

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juski:

more people to filter out :)

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juski:

they lay people off, then in a company statement say the future is bright. hrm

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samesame:

juski: why dont u give up your day job and do a little market stall promoting mythtv

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juski:

maybe it is brighter since they're not hving to pay 6 wages they can ill-afford

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siXy:

brighter because they get nicer paychecks as their saleries absorb any costsaving from the redunancies?

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laga:

nice, i have just found a makelircrc.sh script i wrote a couple of months ago

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Dagmar:

Usually that sort of money just goes straight into the wining & dining budget for marketing, so no one has to pay taxes on it before spending it

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: FYI your machine is borked. tried blootube-wide with the menu set to 'classic' & apart from being an illogical PITA to use, it works fine

[11:26:00]

ubuntuEdgy:

i have done that a number of times

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siXy:

you mean to tell me people actually use 'classic' and 'dvr'?!

[11:27:05]

ubuntuEdgy:

i might try a clean download of the skin, mabe i missed an update or some thing

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juski:

skin?!

[11:27:12]

juski:

SKIN?!

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ubuntuEdgy:

what do you use ?

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juski:

emo people make skins

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ubuntuEdgy:

theme :D

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siXy:

ubuntuEdgy: my own, custom. but default is ok too

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ubuntuEdgy:

its the same thing i tell ya>:o

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siXy:

juski == a skinner

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siXy:

*hides*

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ubuntuEdgy:

ahaha

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juski:

welcome to my ignore list

[11:28:18]

siXy:

heh

[11:28:22]

ubuntuEdgy:

aaaaaaaaaaaaaahahha

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Dagmar:

I like to think of them as "people peelings"

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juski:

might aswell say '5k1nz'

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siXy:

Dagmar: that is both very funny + highly disturbing :D

[11:29:12]

juski:

teh 80m8!

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ubuntuEdgy:

its seems blue-toobe wide done not have a "menu theme"

[11:30:31]

juski:

hey if I add yet more peeps to my ignore list I'll stay calmer for longer. excellent plan!

[11:30:56]

ubuntuEdgy:

bluetube*

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juski:

and WTF is blue-toobe ?

[11:31:06]

ubuntuEdgy:

blue-tube*

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juski:

if you're gonna whine about it, at least fecking spell it right

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ubuntuEdgy:

oops

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siXy:

ubuntuEdgy: you can make your own menu theme v easily – much easier than making the theme itself

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siXy:

all you need is kwrite

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juski:

you STILL didn't fucking spell it right

[11:32:11]

juski:

jesus

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ubuntuEdgy:

i like the way thigs are

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ubuntuEdgy:

siXy

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siXy:

fair enough. but in any case menu themes shouldnt interfere with bloo-tube

[11:33:00]

siXy:

(or however its spelt)

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ubuntuEdgy:

lol its blootube-wide

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ubuntuEdgy:

juski is on ntl ?

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juski:

still, I've deleted stuff for way less, but that seems to upset people

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laga:

hum

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laga:

this seems to work surprisingly well...

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laga:

gah. focus issues.

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juski:

wow. DV camcorders suddenly seem very cheap

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ubuntuEdg1:

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9000/screenshot1sf2.png

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juski:

ugh

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ubuntuEdg1:

see

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juski:

those images REALLY need tidying up on the corners

[11:48:57]

juski:

GIMP must suck at antialising

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ubuntuEdg1:

yeh thats not my skin bro

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ubuntuEdg1:

i mean theme

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juski:

bro?

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ubuntuEdg1:

its called minimilist -wide

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ubuntuEdg1:

wtf

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Dagmar:

Gimp anti-aliases fine.

[11:50:03]

ubuntuEdg1:

i know

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Dagmar:

Most people tend to work at 1:1 resolution, which when they're picking by whole pixels, doesn't do much for anti-alising..

[11:50:24]

ubuntuEdg1:

that image is squashed

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Dagmar:

I generally work at 2x or 4x the final resolution.

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siXy:

or even better work in vector :)

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directhex|work:

SVG themes!

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ubuntuEdg1:

im off to play some racing ,see you lads later

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siXy:

does anyone use mplayer with -ao alsa:device=spdif to an external decoder? im having touble getting it to pass dts/ac3 properly

[11:52:18]

ubuntuEdg1:

any of you play gtr2 by any chance ;)

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juski:

forget all about SVG until qt4 support comes along

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siXy:

even if i use -ac hwdts or hwac3 it doesnt get decoded properly by the amp

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ubuntuEdg1:

laters

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juski:

and forget all about svg if I have anything to do with it!

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juski:

just go to 1080p base resolution / arbitrary resolution & scale down

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juski:

you just know those pvr350 owners would cry

[11:57:37]

** laga reloads X again, brb **

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directhex|work:

dump qt support, go opengl-only!

[11:59:03]

laga:

yay, much better. KDE lets you force a window into foreground

[11:59:07]

Dagmar:

What've you got against nice, smooth edges?

[11:59:30]

Dagmar:

Dumping Qt... Now there's something that would let the application lose a bit of weight.

[11:59:44]

siXy:

tv on a rotating cube would be cool, briefly, until it made you ill

[11:59:48]

laga:

oh :( i have just lost focus again.

[11:59:52]

juski:

or gain it

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juski:

all that string & db handling.. etc etc etc

[12:00:18]

directhex|work:

presumably internal data structures would remain as QWhatever, much like the backend

[12:00:32]

juski:

mythtv isn't veyr heavy – a whole frontend distro takes up less than 128MB ffs

[12:00:44]

directhex|work:

but the blitting-based gui? honestly, how long should pvr350 owners keep the ui castrated?

[12:01:06]

juski:

svg has to be rendered by the CPU

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juski:

and anything like gaussian blur in the svg will slow it down

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directhex|work:

so do everything in GL at 1080p, and let the GPU do the scaling dynamically

[12:01:43]

Dagmar:

juski: It's not like the interface is drawing this stuff in realtime anyway

[12:01:59]

juski:

I'm not seeing anybody doing anything ebout the GUI code right now, so this is futile as hell

[12:02:13]

directhex|work:

the GUI code is horrible. i gave up looking at it

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Dagmar:

heh

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siXy:

the mythmusic code is worse :(

[12:02:54]

Dagmar:

No...

[12:02:56]

Dagmar:

MythStream

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juski:

it's split up into too many different areas from what I've seen of it

[12:03:33]

juski:

what's with all the whining today anyway?

[12:03:37]

siXy:

does mythstream even exist anymore?

[12:03:46]

juski:

can somebody please kickban me from the channel? now?

[12:03:56]

juski:

pretty please?

[12:04:27]

siXy:

edit: oh yeah seems last update to mystream was done on 2009 apr 9

[12:04:43]

juski:

mythstream still works

[12:04:46]

siXy:

i must have slept some this morning – thought we were still in 2007 :S

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juski:

people use it with svn trunk as well as -fixes

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juski:

works great in minimyth

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juski:

so don't come with the 'unmaintained' bs

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siXy:

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jduggan:

so eh, can someone confirm if HD can pass over vga?

[12:27:57]

HrdwrBoB:

er

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HrdwrBoB:

that's a stupid question

[12:28:10]

HrdwrBoB:

the answer is yes

[12:28:32]

HrdwrBoB:

but you obviously don't know what you're talking about, so you need to be a load more specific

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directhex|work:

HrdwrBoB, are you sure? i've absolutely never heard of anyone running a resolution higher than 720x576 on a VGA link!

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Kevorkian:

ummm .. depends on what you mean by VGA

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HrdwrBoB:

Kevorkian: it's reasonable to expect he means a D-SUB connector

[12:30:11]

Kevorkian:

the "VGA connector" can carry a pretty high rez ..

[12:30:15]

Kevorkian:

but thats NOT "VGA"

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HrdwrBoB:

in the common vernacular it is

[12:30:44]

Kevorkian:

vga by definition is limited to 800X600

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HrdwrBoB:

yes

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HrdwrBoB:

*I* know that

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HrdwrBoB:

infact, that's SVGA

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directhex|work:

next you'll say 4-pin power cables for hard disks aren't called "molex", that's just the name of the most common manufacturer of the plugs

[12:31:05]

HrdwrBoB:

VGA is 640x480

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HrdwrBoB:

256 colours

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Kevorkian:

ok .. it might be 640 ..

[12:31:38]

Kevorkian:

BAND AIDS

[12:31:38]

adante:

it is a bee

[12:31:45]

Kevorkian:

KLENEX

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directhex|work:

how about WHUXGA ?

[12:31:51]

HrdwrBoB:

heh

[12:31:54]

HrdwrBoB:

the names are now ridiculous

[12:31:56]

HrdwrBoB:

and pointless

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adante:

poor jduggan

[12:32:26]

adante:

ask 1 question start an elaborate discussion

[12:32:51]

HrdwrBoB:

but your average punter has NO hope understanding the difference between VGA, HS, interlaced, progressive, HDMI, component, composite ( WHY ARE THESE SO SIMILAR) etc

[12:32:59]

Kevorkian:

thats the way it is in geek land

[12:33:06]

HrdwrBoB:

I have seen people plug in HD set top boxes via a goddamn VCR

[12:33:26]

siXy:

jduggan: if you mean the DSUB analogue out that most gfx cards have, the answer is yes.

[12:34:41]

Kevorkian:

a friend of a friend once hooked up his new super huge 60's wide screen and used coax to hook up his old analouge cable box to teh tv

[12:34:54]

Kevorkian:

I felt so bad for the tv.

[12:34:57]

HrdwrBoB:

haha

[12:34:58]

Kevorkian:

it was sad ..

[12:35:01]

Kevorkian:

really it was

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directhex|work:

my teevee has integrated freeview, and my mythbox connects via vga @ native resolution

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[12:36:09]

Kevorkian:

yes .. they SHOULD change the names of composite and component ..

[12:36:30]

HrdwrBoB:

I am currently using HDMI for 1080p

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HrdwrBoB:

but it has retarded overscan issues

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Kevorkian:

HDMI SUCKS

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HrdwrBoB:

so I need to make some time to use VGA, because I think I can get it at native red

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Kevorkian:

DVI FOR LIFE

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HrdwrBoB:

res

[12:36:56]

HrdwrBoB:

...

[12:37:03]

HrdwrBoB:

it's using a HDMI->DVI adapter.

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Kevorkian:

you mean DVI->HDMI

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Kevorkian:

or does your vid card output HDMI

[12:37:39]

HrdwrBoB:

I do mean that

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HrdwrBoB:

but by the time I typed it I stopped caring

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Kevorkian:

haha

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HrdwrBoB:

since it was obvious what I mean

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directhex|work:

i use VGA to avoid titting about with overscan and so on :)

[12:38:29]

HrdwrBoB:

overscan makes baby jesus cry

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Kevorkian:

huh ??

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Dagmar:

I use S-video to avoid diddling about with deinterlacing, and I still don't have to worry about overscna.

[12:38:46]

HrdwrBoB:

I want to find the person at teac that put in the overscan and beat them over and over and over

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Dagmar:

...cuz all the nVidia cards seems to default to having next to no overscan involved

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Kevorkian:

you have overscan issues with dvi ?

[12:39:06]

HrdwrBoB:

Dagmar: when S-video can do 1080p come back to me

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HrdwrBoB:

Kevorkian: yes.

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Dagmar:

...which pisses me off like you would not believe considering that the theme work I've been doing respects overscan

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HrdwrBoB:

many TVs have that

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Kevorkian:

thats the tv's fault then

[12:39:25]

HrdwrBoB:

yes it is

[12:39:38]

HrdwrBoB:

hence why I said I want to go to TEAC and beat them

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HrdwrBoB:

since it's a TEAC TV.

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Dagmar:

You can always create a custom modeline so you can adjust your porch values. ;)

[12:40:02]

HrdwrBoB:

it IS a custom modeline

[12:40:08]

HrdwrBoB:

but if you change it, it stops working

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Kevorkian:

ive neber had overscan issues wih dvi

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HrdwrBoB:

Kevorkian: many TVs I know of have overscan issues at 1080p

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Kevorkian:

thats so strange ..

[12:41:00]

** Kevorkian shrugs **

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HrdwrBoB:

some don't

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HrdwrBoB:

some do

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Kevorkian:

I guess it may have something to do with the fact that ive only really had to deal with 2 HD units with dvi

[12:41:55]

HrdwrBoB:

I waste too much time reading about stuff that doesn't matter

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Kevorkian:

and both were refered to as "monitors"

[12:42:12]

HrdwrBoB:

yeah 'monitors' fine

[12:42:16]

HrdwrBoB:

TVs have overscan issues

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HrdwrBoB:

many TVs also report UTTER CRACK for edid

[12:43:06]

Kevorkian:

Thats wack .. if I send a signal that

[12:43:25]

HrdwrBoB:

my TV reports its max res is 1280x1024

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Kevorkian:

X number of pixles wide .. and y number high .. the dam tv shoudl display that many

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HrdwrBoB:

.. it's a 16:9 TV

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Kevorkian:

now thats fucked up

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HrdwrBoB:

often that signal will work

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HrdwrBoB:

but the edid says it won't

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planktonboy:

hi all

[12:44:24]

directhex|work:

IME most "hd ready" sets report 1024x768 max through EDID

[12:44:24]

Dagmar:

As usual, there's no substitute for knowing what you're doing. ;)

[12:44:46]

HrdwrBoB:

directhex|work: yeah, this is 'full HD'

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Kevorkian:

1024 X 768 is still square tho

[12:44:56]

HrdwrBoB:

Dagmar: yeah but it's crap

[12:45:06]

planktonboy:

in the mythfrontend settings pages under General setup there is a setting that enables log of frontend. does anyone know where that log is created as I cant seem to find it

[12:45:07]

HrdwrBoB:

Kevorkian: yeah my fathers sharp aquos does that

[12:45:10]

HrdwrBoB:

er directhex|work

[12:45:26]

directhex|work:

HrdwrBoB, the EDID is bullshit. but custom modelines smell

[12:45:26]

Kevorkian:

.var/log/myth

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fryfrog:

mine does the same damn thing, i have to ignore edid too :(

[12:45:33]

Kevorkian:

or something lik that

[12:45:56]

HrdwrBoB:

directhex|work: yeah, the whole thing is crpa.

[12:45:57]

HrdwrBoB:

crap

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planktonboy:

Kevorkian, hmm..I looked in there on only see a mythbackend log

[12:46:10]

planktonboy:

and I mean

[12:46:12]

Kevorkian:

then you have nothing in the log yet

[12:46:14]

HrdwrBoB:

they just get an EDID from .. god knows where and shove it in

[12:46:18]

Kevorkian:

thats where it will be

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Kevorkian:

ON the front end

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siXy:

directhex|work: ive seen some report 1280x720

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planktonboy:

ok will try to load the mythfrontend again, maybe it needs restarting

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HrdwrBoB:

siXy: mine reports that as well

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fryfrog:

does anyone's mythcommflag die on bad recordings and jam up the queue for commflagging?

[12:47:15]

siXy:

samsungs were what i was testing iirc

[12:47:52]

fryfrog:

I am thinking of writing a script that scans the jobqueue for the "running" job, checks its update time and then maybe checks for mythcommflag running and if it isn't, find that recording, set the commflagged db entry and then nukes the db entry for the job queue

[12:48:16]

directhex|work:

siXy, mine's a samsung

[12:48:18]

Kevorkian:

whats the technical difference between whats called a "monitor" and a tv ?

[12:48:30]

directhex|work:

Kevorkian, a tuner?

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fryfrog:

in HD, it means it doesn't have an ATSC or QAM tuner

[12:48:36]

HrdwrBoB:

mmmm

[12:48:46]

HrdwrBoB:

generally a TV doesn't care about pixel-perfectness

[12:48:49]

fryfrog:

ie, just component/dvi/hdmi inputs (for use with cable box/sat box)

[12:48:52]

HrdwrBoB:

a monitor HAS to be pixel perfect.

[12:49:06]

HrdwrBoB:

but realistically it should purely be intended use and connections

[12:49:09]

Kevorkian:

pixel perfect ?? as in dead pixles ?

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directhex|work:

HrdwrBoB, really? never seen monitor adjust settings before?

[12:49:21]

HrdwrBoB:

no pixel perfect as in 1:1 pixels

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directhex|work:

1280x1024 has non-square pixels

[12:49:37]

fryfrog:

In the TV world, "monitor" simply means it has no built in tuner, that is all

[12:49:40]

directhex|work:

iirc

[12:49:43]

HrdwrBoB:

pixel mapping

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HrdwrBoB:

directhex|work: nah the monitor is 5:4

[12:50:07]

HrdwrBoB:

not 4:3

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Kevorkian:

im just wonderign why I dont have these issues with overscan and dvi ...

[12:50:33]

HrdwrBoB:

Kevorkian: on what set?

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HrdwrBoB:

could just be luck

[12:51:02]

HrdwrBoB:

some things Just Work, but in reality they are the minority

[12:51:18]

Kevorkian:

and really the only thing I can think of is cause they have /monitor in the name/description

[12:51:21]

HrdwrBoB:

the windows drivers have all sorts of ridiculous hacks for 'TVs' to be connected

[12:51:22]

** directhex|work takes your 5:4 and reaises you 6:5 : http://apebox.org/imglibrary.php?section=thre . . . izwall01.jpg **

[12:51:46]

HrdwrBoB:

Kevorkian: the difference is semantics at any rate

[12:52:04]

fryfrog:

Kevorkian: it just means your TV isn't the same as ours

[12:52:07]

HrdwrBoB:

haha

[12:52:09]

fryfrog:

seems to be a pot shot :)

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HrdwrBoB:

yeah

[12:52:29]

HrdwrBoB:

if you get a TV that Just Works – be thankful, and STFU :P

[12:52:43]

Kevorkian:

hahah

[12:52:44]

Lo_Pan:

lol its bob

[12:52:45]

Kevorkian:

it just works

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HrdwrBoB:

that said, I have SFA 1080 content.

[12:52:56]

** Kevorkian wonders when apple will sell a "tv" **

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HrdwrBoB:

but even decent SD content looks good being upscaled

[12:53:44]

HrdwrBoB:

and 720p stuff looks incredible

[12:53:44]

directhex|work:

Kevorkian, 24" imac?

[12:53:55]

HrdwrBoB:

directhex|work: 30" studio panel?

[12:54:09]

Lo_Pan:

iphone on friday

[12:54:10]

fryfrog:

cought that "Planet Earth" discovery HD show?

[12:54:10]

** Kevorkian points at the 30' on his desk **

[12:54:10]

Lo_Pan:

lol

[12:54:19]

HrdwrBoB:

30 feet

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HrdwrBoB:

wow

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HrdwrBoB:

Lo_Pan: LOL IPHONE

[12:54:25]

Lo_Pan:

:O

[12:54:28]

Kevorkian:

opps .. missed a '

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HrdwrBoB:

Lo_Pan: apparently ~1day standy

[12:54:41]

Lo_Pan:

what

[12:54:43]

HrdwrBoB:

and no mp3 ringtones

[12:54:48]

Lo_Pan:

thats worse than my dopod

[12:54:49]

HrdwrBoB:

AWESOME

[12:54:52]

Kevorkian:

I wish the iphone wasnt as hyped as it is

[12:54:54]

Lo_Pan:

which is a juice guzzler

[12:55:05]

Lo_Pan:

Kevorkian: its apple

[12:55:07]

Lo_Pan:

what do you expect

[12:55:12]

HrdwrBoB:

my piece of crap motorola can be assigned arbitrary mp3s as a ringtone

[12:55:20]

Lo_Pan:

when was the last time they released something without fanfare

[12:55:25]

Kevorkian:

its only after the ipod that its been like this

[12:55:26]

HrdwrBoB:

the itv

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siXy:

Lo_Pan: appletv

[12:55:34]

HrdwrBoB:

appletv

[12:55:35]

HrdwrBoB:

even

[12:55:40]

Kevorkian:

and steve has been pissing me off lately with his product annoucments

[12:55:40]

HrdwrBoB:

which sucks.

[12:55:40]

Lo_Pan:

nah they even made a hooha about that

[12:55:52]

siXy:

Lo_Pan: not here they didnt

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Kevorkian:

it used to be that he would announce something .. and the line after was .. AND YOU CAN BUY IT .. .... TODAY

[12:56:06]

Kevorkian:

but nope .. not anymore

[12:56:15]

Lo_Pan:

it was at a wwdc or similar

[12:56:18]

Lo_Pan:

at the end

[12:56:21]

Lo_Pan:

steve jobs announced it

[12:56:26]

Lo_Pan:

i saw it

[12:56:52]

HrdwrBoB:

he reached down

[12:56:56]

HrdwrBoB:

and he signed it

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Lo_Pan:

its a turd though

[12:56:59]

HrdwrBoB:

with this pen.

[12:57:05]

Kevorkian:

appletv will be big .. just needs time

[12:57:08]

HrdwrBoB:

(64 points if you can pick the quote)

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Lo_Pan:

Kevorkian: cheap for whats in them

[12:57:20]

Kevorkian:

steve signed something ??

[12:57:25]

Kevorkian:

I doubt that

[12:57:31]

Lo_Pan:

why 64 points

[12:57:32]

Kevorkian:

seriously

[12:57:43]

HrdwrBoB:

Lo_Pan: because it's 8^2

[12:57:55]

Kevorkian:

I have met steve .. and hes not the type to sign shit

[12:58:03]

planktonboy:

Kevorkian, ok thanks mate I found it...I had made an earlier setting in .gnomerc to save mythfrontend.log to /tmp dir

[12:58:10]

HrdwrBoB:

it's nothing to do with steve

[12:58:18]

Kevorkian:

one guy did ask for his autograph .. and he told him off .. Im a bussness man not a rock star.

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Lo_Pan:

its also 2**6

[12:58:20]

HrdwrBoB:

it's from batman

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Lo_Pan:

which is how i prefer to express powers of two

[12:58:31]

planktonboy:

you made me think about it though, so thanks again :)

[12:58:32]

Lo_Pan:

you heathen

[12:58:43]

Kevorkian:

np planktonboy glad I could help

[12:58:48]

planktonboy:

:)

[12:59:44]

Kevorkian:

ahhh .. I had thought you said that steve signed something

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planktonboy:

yeah for some reason the frontend has crashed 3 times today and I cant think what I might have changed since yesterday to cause that to happen

[13:00:06]

Kevorkian:

SO planktonboy .. it worked before you broke it.

[13:00:08]

Kevorkian:

nice

[13:00:16]

planktonboy:

LOL

[13:00:19]

planktonboy:

yup

[13:00:23]

planktonboy:

a fiddler me

[13:00:28]

planktonboy:

hehe

[13:00:53]

Kevorkian:

http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2007/6/new . . . ll-pitch.wmv

[13:00:58]

Kevorkian:

now THATS funny

[13:01:13]

Kevorkian:

you have to watch close to see it

[13:01:37]

planktonboy:

could be either a port knocking script I set up or a corrupt mp3 of one of my CDs I copied over into myth

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Kevorkian:

port knocking sounds more likely

[13:02:00]

planktonboy:

but running it with projectM libvisual

[13:02:19]

planktonboy:

so it could be just a dodgy preset for that

[13:02:32]

planktonboy:

anyway, I'll figure it out eventually :)

[13:03:01]

Kevorkian:

Or it could be that you forgot to sacrifice a stick of DDR to the computer gods last month ..

[13:03:47]

HrdwrBoB:

I have so much DDR I could do that

[13:04:16]

HrdwrBoB:

I have dual opterons sitting in my cupboard, devaluing

[13:05:15]

Kevorkian:

I have so much crap here ,... but the vaule to me as spares and such is more then I would get on ebay

[13:05:28]

fryfrog:

Anyone decent at mysql?

[13:05:39]

HrdwrBoB:

fryfrog: I heard about it

[13:05:44]

fryfrog:

Heheh

[13:05:44]

Kevorkian:

I can converse in sql ..

[13:05:49]

Kevorkian:

not expert

[13:05:55]

Kevorkian:

but I can ask whwre the bathroom is

[13:05:58]

HrdwrBoB:

I heard that one of my mates is asiapac support lead

[13:06:02]

fryfrog:

I'm trying to compare a "last updated" field to the current time

[13:06:05]

HrdwrBoB:

but you know, not much more than that

[13:06:21]

fryfrog:

is there any way in mysql to do that, or should i be doing it in the scrip then comparing?

[13:06:29]

planktonboy:

shuldnt be that

[13:06:50]

HrdwrBoB:

yes, that's pretty easy

[13:06:55]

HrdwrBoB:

check the documentation :)

[13:06:58]

HrdwrBoB:

which is really very good

[13:06:59]

planktonboy:

have 1GB in here which should be ample

[13:07:02]

HrdwrBoB:

and you should know about it

[13:07:13]

fryfrog:

what should i search for?

[13:07:14]

HrdwrBoB:

there will be a function to get the current time

[13:07:18]

fryfrog:

i'm just not sure what its called

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HrdwrBoB:

browse the chapters etc

[13:07:28]

fryfrog:

wait, in sql or in perl?

[13:07:31]

HrdwrBoB:

in SQL

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fryfrog:

i mean, i know it is in perl

[13:07:35]

fryfrog:

ah, kk

[13:07:45]

HrdwrBoB:

you almost NEVER need to munge anything in perl

[13:07:49]

HrdwrBoB:

it can all be done in SQL

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HrdwrBoB:

depends how crazy you want to get

[13:08:24]

Kevorkian:

yea

[13:08:28]

Kevorkian:

there is a function

[13:08:29]

fryfrog:

not very crazy at all :)

[13:08:45]

fryfrog:

I'm just tryign to compare the "last updated" to current time and see if its kind of close

[13:08:47]

Kevorkian:

select whatever from whatever where whatever is like <timefunction>

[13:08:55]

HrdwrBoB:

LIKE?

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Kevorkian:

yes

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Kevorkian:

LIKE

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HrdwrBoB:

if you used like for that

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Kevorkian:

fuzzy match

[13:09:07]

HrdwrBoB:

I would call the gestapo

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HrdwrBoB:

and have you shot

[13:09:23]

HrdwrBoB:

I would go back in time to get them too.

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Kevorkian:

Oh come on .. you just have to set the wildcards proper

[13:09:40]

HrdwrBoB:

if you don't have to use like, don't.

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HrdwrBoB:

and it's properly

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HrdwrBoB:

you should NEVER use like when talking about time

[13:10:33]

HrdwrBoB:

like is for string matching

[13:10:36]

Kevorkian:

hmmm .. or I could transpose the last two words ..

[13:10:41]

Kevorkian:

proper wildcards

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HrdwrBoB:

if you are string matching on time, you're Doing It Wrong

[13:10:44]

Kevorkian:

that would work

[13:10:49]

HrdwrBoB:

that would also work

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fryfrog:

damn, i suck at sql :/

[13:11:03]

HrdwrBoB:

yes

[13:11:07]

HrdwrBoB:

most people do, so don't worry

[13:11:21]

Kevorkian:

well .. a string match would only have a issue close to midnight

[13:11:27]

HrdwrBoB:

no

[13:11:31]

** Kevorkian is NOT a dba **

[13:11:32]

HrdwrBoB:

a string match is RETARDED

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Kevorkian:

explain

[13:11:44]

Kevorkian:

teach me

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HrdwrBoB:

because it's NOT A STRING

[13:11:50]

HrdwrBoB:

it's a number.

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Kevorkian:

can I get a "real" time .. as in unix time ?

[13:12:25]

Kevorkian:

or is it always date/time

[13:12:36]

Kevorkian:

cause daytime is closer to a string then its not

[13:12:37]

HrdwrBoB:

depends on the format

[13:12:40]

HrdwrBoB:

no.

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HrdwrBoB:

it's NEVER a string

[13:12:47]

Kevorkian:

but it is

[13:12:53]

HrdwrBoB:

if your date/time is stored as a string, you're Doing It Wrong

[13:12:59]

HrdwrBoB:

it might LOOK like a string

[13:13:00]

HrdwrBoB:

but it isn't.

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Kevorkian:

can I get a offset time then ?

[13:13:24]

Kevorkian:

where it can be treated as a pure number

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HrdwrBoB:

you can get anything

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HrdwrBoB:

there is a SHEDLOAD of time functions

[13:14:15]

Kevorkian:

ok .. can I put a regex in a like clause ?

[13:14:19]

fryfrog:

a well, this is beyond my meger understanding

[13:14:26]

HrdwrBoB:

Kevorkian: no

[13:14:32]

fryfrog:

thanks for jibber jabbering about it ;)

[13:14:41]

HrdwrBoB:

fryfrog: ok

[13:14:50]

HrdwrBoB:

fryfrog: the mysql manual is good

[13:14:53]

HrdwrBoB:

read it :)

[13:14:55]

Kevorkian:

so a like clause is only wildcard matching ?

[13:14:58]

fryfrog:

i'm looking at it right now

[13:15:02]

HrdwrBoB:

yes

[13:15:08]

fryfrog:

but i'm afraid it is beyond me :)

[13:16:01]

Kevorkian:

how would I do somethign like .... where whatever is within 10 of <result of some function>

[13:16:13]

HrdwrBoB:

WHERE time < foo AND time > bar

[13:16:52]

Kevorkian:

hmmm .. I could go all booleen on that

[13:16:57]

HrdwrBoB:

?

[13:17:04]

HrdwrBoB:

boolean

[13:17:06]

Kevorkian:

AND OR NOR NOT

[13:17:19]

HrdwrBoB:

yes

[13:17:34]

Kevorkian:

third thursday during a full moon when the bells ring ..

[13:17:44]

HrdwrBoB:

but it really starts getting interesting when you are joining several tables

[13:17:56]

Kevorkian:

as long as I set bells_ringing to some vaule

[13:18:12]

Kevorkian:

there is a SET order of operations .. right

[13:18:25]

HrdwrBoB:

yes

[13:18:37]

Kevorkian:

I remember one time the DBA was bitchign cause something was being evaulated before something else ..

[13:18:43]

HrdwrBoB:

all covered in their fantastic manual

[13:18:43]

Kevorkian:

and he thunk it shouldnt have been that way

[13:18:46]

HrdwrBoB:

yeah

[13:18:51]

HrdwrBoB:

sometimes it's non obvious

[13:19:36]

Kevorkian:

but then again .. ive never met a dba that wasnt a closet accountant

[13:20:05]

HrdwrBoB:

yes

[13:20:09]

HrdwrBoB:

I couldn't be a DBA

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fryfrog:

ahahah

[13:21:28]

HrdwrBoB:

too much boring crap

[13:21:38]

HrdwrBoB:

imho

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laga:

yay. youtube is working in mythbrowser :)

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juski:

glad we won't have a worky net connection at LRL so no need to bother :)

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jduggan:

hmm

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jduggan:

LRL

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jduggan:

wkend of the 6th isnt it

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juski:

aye

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jduggan:

i'll have to remember

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** jduggan has a tendancy to forget things **

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jduggan:

:S

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juski:

I wish I could forget more

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mkrufky:

juski was abused by an unstable mythbox when he was a child

[15:07:03]

juski:

naw I've been in contact with users for far too long

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mkrufky:

lol, tell me about it

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armbar:

hi

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thoraxe__:

hi

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planktonboy:

gotta go...cya later chaps :)

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thoraxe:

byebyes

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wastrel:

yup

[18:07:23]

wastrel:

i'm having trouble getting external IR channel changer working :p

[18:17:08]

juski:

well, does the changer script do anything?

[18:17:24]

juski:

I mean can it beused on the commandline to change channels on the STB?

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wastrel:

no, the changing script isn't working, also irexec isn't working.

[18:23:44]

wastrel:

also i don't see the ir LED working at all, or a regular red LED working when i swap that in.

[18:23:47]

juski:

does irexec result in *anything* being emitted from the blaster?

[18:24:00]

juski:

a home-made blaster?

[18:24:05]

wastrel:

yeah

[18:24:27]

juski:

if you don't see the red LED light, then no wonder irexec doesn't work

[18:24:33]

wastrel:

if i switch polarity on the LED it's solid on

[18:24:41]

wastrel:

but if i wire it up like the circuit says it does nothing.

[18:25:14]

juski:

sounds to me like you've not got lirc configured properly – or the circuit is wrong/broken

[18:25:33]

wastrel:

circuit works if i hook it up to a 5v battery

[18:25:45]

wastrel:

so i dunno. i guess lirc isn't set up right.

[18:34:20]

juski:

what'd be really good, to eliminate some unknowns is if the lirc docs – especially the DIY hardware build info – if they'd include some stage by stage test procedure so you can at least confirm stuff works as you go along

[18:35:03]

juski:

like say "when you set up lirc to transmit to a DIY blaster, when the module loads you will see X volts on pin Y"

[18:35:14]

juski:

that'd help a whole heap!

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wastrel:

that would be useful if i had a multimeter :]

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wastrel:

i'm thinking i may be talking to the wrong /dev/lircXX

[18:35:49]

juski:

IIRC, one of the serial port pins has to be high all the time to power the circuit

[18:36:05]

wastrel:

but i dunno. also i have never done anything on the serial port so i'm a bit of confused as to what to expect there

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juski:

and then another pin is pulsed – that'd be the pin which actually pulses the LED

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wastrel:

heh yeah, i may be connecting to the wrong pins on the db9

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Krazylegz:

juski: You around?

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Noble:

i'm lookingto make an app with mythosd... can anyone point me to any mythosd documentation?

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juski:

Krazylegz: here

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Super_Cat_Frog:

hi – is there any way to change the trebble/bass settings in mythtv ? or does anybody know which audio library mythtv uses?

[19:09:43]

Dibblah:

Alsa / OSS / Jack / ...

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Super_Cat_Frog:

Dibblah: is there any way to set what it uses?

[19:10:13]

Dibblah:

Yes.

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Super_Cat_Frog:

how?

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Dibblah:

Setup / general, I think.

[19:10:44]

t0ny-p40:

Ok, pretty much all of my guide data says unknown now. I ran mythfilldatabase, --refresh-all, and --do-channel-update and nothing helped so far. Any ideas?

[19:10:53]

Dibblah:

Oh, and no to bass / treble.

[19:11:01]

Krazylegz:

juski: Do you know roughly when you released Blootubelite-wide?

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Super_Cat_Frog:

Dibblah: i was hoping that it could use gstreamer, as i think that can be fettled with

[19:16:20]

Dibblah:

Ask in #alsa...

[19:16:27]

Dibblah:

Or get a real amp ;)

[19:17:15]

juski:

Krazylegz: released it? for the first time? wasn't long after blootube-wide

[19:17:33]

Krazylegz:

Just wondering if I tried it before or not. I tried Blootube-wide and I needed more RAM.

[19:17:37]

Krazylegz:

But I was po.

[19:18:05]

Noble:

is there any kind of way to pop up a message, mythtvosd style, that works even when on the menus?

[19:18:51]

jams:

Noble- xosd is the best off your going to get off the shelf

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Noble:

trying to write an alarm clock script that works with lirc and mythtv, thats why visibility in the menus is important

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Noble:

xosd.... i'll look it up

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juski:

Krazylegz: I've since reduced the ram requirements of blootube-wide though – and gbee's work to reduce the ram footprint should help a lot

[19:24:14]

juski:

there's even more I can do to shim some more memory out of blootube-wide aswell, but no time or motivation at the mo

[19:27:23]

t0ny-p40:

Any one have any idea why my guide is turning into nothing but unkowns?

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juski:

Noble: could be a bit of a killer plugin if you're prepared to do more work ;)

[19:33:59]

Noble:

i'm going to go with pyOSD I think

[19:34:30]

Noble:

its such a shame mythmusic sucks so bad

[19:34:43]

laga:

mythmusic with projectm doesn't suck as hard as before

[19:34:48]

juski:

mythmusic has been getting a fair bit more attention of late :)

[19:34:56]

juski:

playlist editing & stuff, for one

[19:35:15]

juski:

then being able to use visuals from libvisual (projectM etc) – that's cool

[19:35:27]

juski:

and now mythmusic has a progress indicator bar ;)

[19:36:02]

juski:

all it needs (as with everything else) is for people to provide their time & input in terms of code

[19:36:45]

Noble:

what is this projectM and where can I get it

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Noble:

i just think the interface is clunky and not very usable

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juski:

mythmusic doesn't support projectM in -fixes – you need SVN trunk

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Noble:

doe sthis address that? visualization is not my concern

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juski:

improvements to the playlisting/organising UI are being worked on

[19:38:01]

Noble:

anything done yet in svn?

[19:38:08]

juski:

it's being worked on

[19:38:22]

juski:

if you can't code & contribute, at least be patient

[19:39:55]

juski:

that HD guys' podcast.. they say the UI looks like it was designed by engineers.. what? looks as simple to use to me as any other PC-based DVR app

[19:40:27]

Noble:

i'd be more patient if it didn't suck so bad ;)

[19:40:41]

Noble:

i agree with the 'designed by engineers' comment

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juski:

that ain't gonna wash with me

[19:41:03]

Noble:

wash?

[19:41:25]

juski:

see, the way I feel about this project – if you ain't gonna contribute code, then you have no right to comment on it. if you're not gonna do something about it to change it, then ssshhh ;)

[19:41:39]

juski:

same old same old

[19:42:24]

Noble:

i'm not going to get into it with you and your demeaning attitude towards people not actively developing mythtv

[19:42:28]

juski:

things to remember: mythtv doesn't cost you any money. mythtv is made by people in their free time. mythtv is made by enthusiasts who may not be professionals in the field of mythtv they work on

[19:42:39]

Noble:

but as a user, i have valid complaints

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GreyFoxx:

what podcast is that ?

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juski:

so for all that, it's fabulous

[19:43:07]

juski:

GreyFoxx: http://htguys.com/archive/2007/June26.html

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GreyFoxx:

thx

[19:43:44]

Noble:

yeah, a fabulous project that doesn't meet my needs and refuses my input

[19:43:48]

GreyFoxx:

"preliminary dvb support" pfffft

[19:44:15]

GreyFoxx:

we've had dvb support for years, but like anything it's always improving

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juski:

Noble: so if it doesn't meet your needs & you aren't prepared to actually offer anything in terms of work put into it – erm.. I dunno what to say

[19:45:01]

Noble:

juski, when was it established I wasn't contributing?

[19:45:09]

juski:

just coming here & saying "it sucks" won't a) win you any friends here and b) won't actually improve it

[19:45:26]

Noble:

i've submitted bug reports, posted error logs, made feature requests

[19:45:42]

Noble:

I just don't develop... and you're being an ass about it

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Noble:

software needs users

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juski:

I'm not being an ass about it. if everybody sat on their hands not coding stuff, just 'wanting' things nothing would ever happen :)

[19:46:32]

Noble:

but thats the problem with the mythtv community... theres a big 'anti-user' feel to the community

[19:46:34]

juski:

I'm very much an advocate of getting stuck in there & doing something about it

[19:47:02]

mkrufky:

Noble: try at a different time of day.... we're all human too, and we can be moody at times ..... (but im not a mythtv dev)

[19:47:21]

fryfrog:

yeah, thats true... except for juski who is pretty consistantly against you :)

[19:47:39]

Noble:

well i've done that to the best of my ability, i don't expect to be treated with contempt because I don't meet your standards for what you want as a user

[19:47:50]

mkrufky:

against me? anytime juski pokes fun i know he's joking... (or, id like to think so)

[19:48:35]

juski:

ok – so maybe I should've just said one guy, one very busy guy is finding time occasionally to work on bits of mythmusic he feels can be improved

[19:48:51]

mkrufky:

also, Noble.... dont judge an entire community based on a small subset that are active in a chat room

[19:48:56]

fryfrog:

i didn't mean *you*, i meant you as in everyone :)

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mkrufky:

:-)

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laga:

Noble: ORLY. listen, i dont agree with everything juski says, but coming in here and bitching about mythtv "sucking so hard" and "not meeting your needs". um. that's pointless, you know.

[19:49:10]

juski:

mkrufky: don't forget the way the mailing lists treat feature requests

[19:49:18]

mkrufky:

heh

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Noble:

mkrufky: definitely, but its not the first time i encountered this kind of attitude

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juski:

this kind of attitude, as you put it – is very common in the OSS world – and it's mostly down to the fact that folks do this out of the goodness of their own hearts in their own time. nobody really has a right to make any kind of demands IMHO. the OSS world is split into 2 camps that way & I really can't think of any project that takes feature requests like that & just does em because somebody asked for it

[19:51:12]

Noble:

laga: this is the users room, right? I'm not telling the devs that mythtv just plain sucks... I actually use mythtv.. but mythmusic is so bad its not worth using.... i was being light hearted about this glaringly substandard feature

[19:51:29]

laga:

Noble: why do you tell the users that mythtv sucks then? :)

[19:51:51]

laga:

i enjoyed mythmusic (in svn trunk) a lot today. (till my PSU blew up, but that's a different story)

[19:52:10]

Noble:

laga : mythmusic does pretty much suck... if I had an ugly deformed ear, I would just accept it and wouldn't be overly sensitive about it ;)

[19:52:15]

juski:

and I don't care how many people know I feel the way I do. I'm not being dismissive of anybody – I just think that people should sometimes take a step back & remember how much they paid for it

[19:52:41]

janneg:

Noble: feature request are only very rarely useful

[19:52:48]

juski:

sure it could be better – everything could be & that's why people are busting their chops 300 days a year or more

[19:52:49]

Noble:

just because its free doesn't make it wrong to criticize

[19:53:13]

laga:

Noble: no, but it makes it pointless most of the time :)

[19:53:22]

juski:

well of course that is the user's perogative. it's also the dev's perogative to ignore it or not ;)

[19:53:42]

fryfrog:

anyone good with awstats?

[19:54:32]

immolo:

fryfrog- there is a good guide on the gentoo forums

[19:55:21]

juski:

I'm a bit pissed at the comment about my blootube theme 'not being officially supported by mythtv'.. it's (kinda) in svn now

[19:55:38]

fryfrog:

immolo: happen to know if it has anything about custom log formats?

[19:55:38]

juski:

why can't these reviewers ever get their facts straight? ;)

[19:55:59]

fryfrog:

i'm having issues with ftp logs :(

[19:56:17]

immolo:

fryfrog- it doesn't deal with ftp :P

[19:58:38]

GreyFoxx:

Reasonable critism is fine, suggestions are fine. The biggest problem for me is not critism nor new feature desires. It's when some (not talking about you Noble) get rude or overly demanding. Users ASSUME that every project is trying to take over the world instead of just scratching an itch.

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juski:

and hey I can't help being like this – I bust my chops for the project & negative comments without patches attached – I just find em slightly insulting is all :)

[19:59:58]

wastrel:

speaking of which, screen scraping looks hard.

[20:00:30]

wastrel:

i have a theme i don't know what it's called though

[20:00:36]

wastrel:

some things are hard to read.

[20:00:52]

wastrel:

also i need to adjust my video out so the whole TV screen is in use, there's a black strip at the top & bottom

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juski:

wastrel: see the wiki page about overscan

[20:01:49]

wastrel:

"overscan" ok

[20:02:07]

juski:

if you use a nvidia card, the black strips are easy to get rid of with nvidia-settings

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juski:

if that is, you're using a composite or svideo output

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squish102:

is overscan also used if the output is too big for the screen, and you playing over dvi?

[20:03:23]

juski:

if the output is too big for your screen you might be able to get or make a custom modeline to fix that, for use with DVI or HDMI

[20:03:44]

juski:

or just leave it the way it is & adjust the GUI size in the appearance menu

[20:03:58]

GreyFoxx:

wastrel: screenscraping? Like for TV listings and such ?

[20:04:09]

juski:

some overscan is good to have sometimes because broadcasters don't always fill to the edges

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juski:

so while the GUI & desktop might reach the corners of your TV, actual/recorded TV may not always

[20:04:50]

wastrel:

GreyFoxx: yes

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GreyFoxx:

wastrel: If you are in NA we are hoping that wont be needed

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juski:

anyway – seriously – are there any OSS projects that say "hey mr user, thanks for your comments that our app sucks. We noticed you didn't suggest how they might be made better but we'll get right onto it SIR" ? ;)

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wastrel:

i'm in na and am hoping it's not needed

[20:06:16]

wastrel:

my p2p listings sharing system will pwn

[20:06:20]

juski:

wastrel: r e l a x :)

[20:06:56]

Noble:

juski: maybe you should hang out in the dev channel then, cause users bitch about stuff

[20:07:05]

wastrel:

juski: i was just browsing around checking my cable co for online listings :]

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Noble:

juski: i didn't come in here to talk to devs, i came in here to talk to users

[20:07:54]

Noble:

juski: if i was trying to tell the devs that the app sucked, i'd say so in #mythtv

[20:08:07]

juski:

hey if whining helps...

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GreyFoxx:

wastrel: Heh my cableco provides online listings...provided by zap2it. So if I want I can get my data there :)

[20:09:53]

GreyFoxx:

They even let me setup an account and customize what I get just like datadirect does

[20:09:53]

juski:

users whine, then whine at them for whining.. then I vanish & go do something less boring. every now & again I actually help a user out.. more often than not actually, so I have room to be at least a little sanctimonious

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wastrel:

GreyFoxx: mine asked my zip code and provided a list of links to other sites :]

[20:11:05]

GreyFoxx:

doh, just saw the time. gotta run

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Noble:

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juski:

ah bugger. I broke my scripts that export my themes from my own svn server.

[20:11:44]

juski:

devout.. that'd be me

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Noble:

you missed the first word in the definition

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juski:

no I didn't

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juski:

I'm not a hypocrite

[20:13:30]

juski:

not when it comes to the contributing aspect of mythtv anyway

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Kevorkian:

I contribute ...

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Kevorkian:

I tell folks to RTFM just like the old timers

[20:14:52]

** Kevorkian snickers **

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Noble:

whatever man, in my opinion, your attitude is poisonous to the community... you think you have justification to be an ass to people... tahts poor social skills... i'm just going to put you on ignore now and end this conversation

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Kevorkian:

SOMEONE BEING AN ASS IN AN OPEN SOURCE PROJECT ?? OH SHIT ALERT THE MEDIA

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Noble:

hahahahahahahah

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Kevorkian:

Thats half the fun of opensource

[20:16:06]

juski:

the OSS community never got anywhere from a bunch of users sitting around wanting stuff, that's my whole point here – somebody has to code it – and if nobody does, nothing happens

[20:16:38]

Kevorkian:

juski, you are correct .. However , if no one used the software there would be no reason to code it.

[20:17:07]

Kevorkian:

and .. well .. software writen for geeks .. by geeks .. gets you stuff like .. SED and GREP and AWK .. and .. OMG EMACS

[20:17:27]

Kevorkian:

its the users that give us purpose

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Noble:

... i can't ignore in this client... without users there wouldn't be a significant open source community and mythtv wouldn't have the resources upon which to build its wonderful app

[20:17:49]

Noble:

...what kevorkian said

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juski:

some users think they have a birthright to stuff when they've not lifted a finger in any direction other than to say "I want" – and I just can't see where they get the idea that it's ok to make demands on people who do this in their own free time, mostly for themselves. that we the end users get to use it is a bonus

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juski:

and from there our argument goes back on itself & repeats ad infinitum (duh)

[20:18:27]

Kevorkian:

There will always be thoes kinds of people juski .. either in opensource or in life ..

[20:18:39]

juski:

so case closed

[20:18:58]

Kevorkian:

the same way there will always be a dev that does things his way and never listens to anyones ideas

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juski:

that's why forks happen ;)

[20:19:27]

juski:

damn egos

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Kevorkian:

Yeppers

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juski:

ya know when I say all this BS, at the same time it's easy to forget that not everybody can be a developer- even if everybody could code to the right standard – that many people trying to put their own input into a project could be just as bad if not worse than nobody doing it ;)

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Kevorkian:

hmmm ..

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Kevorkian:

IF they could code

[20:21:39]

Kevorkian:

its too many cooks spoil the broth ..

[20:21:45]

Kevorkian:

not too many consumers

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wastrel:

hi

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Kevorkian:

the consumers can scream and yell all they want about ingredents ..

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hiredgoon:

just because you can't code doesn't mean you don't have good ideas

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Kevorkian:

but its still up to the cook to put them in

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wastrel:

bye

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t0ny-p40:

Ok, I still cant find ANY information or resoan why my guide data is slowly turning into nothing but "Unknown (Unknown)". It at more then half of the channels now.

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juski:

anyway – going slightly back on topic.. I see the linux port of xbmc is actually doing stuff now. was gonna have a go building it but it needs gcc 4.1 right now.. not gonna go down that road just yet...

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Kevorkian:

Now .. I have never submitted a patch or a theam or anything .. but the fact that I have talked people thru some setup issues makes me a contributor .. just as much as you. Or do you feel that I am a lesser part of teh project ?

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loops:

When scheduling recordings.. what does the +0 or -1 etc mean? as in "Channel Record +0 Will Record" ?

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juski:

helping people out is just as much of a contribution

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Kevorkian:

loops, thats proritys ..

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loops:

ahh thanks

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Kevorkian:

lets it pick which shows to record when there are conflicts

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Noble:

juski and I are friends now!

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Noble:

;)

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t0ny-p40:

Ahhh I'm going crazy!!!!

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Kevorkian:

Ok .. so do I gain the right to make requests ?

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juski:

Kevorkian: let's see those patches then :-P

[20:26:39]

Kevorkian:

I do not have the ablity to write a patch .. but I know what I would like to see in the project.

[20:26:59]

Kevorkian:

is my idea any less important then yours ?

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juski:

there's a place for users to put feature requests in the wiki – devs look there from time to time & it's not unknown for one or 2 things to get implemented (!)

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Kevorkian:

Ok .. so your argument isnt that "users" cant make requests .. you have an issue with HOW they make requests ??

[20:28:43]

Kevorkian:

or the fact that they seem to think that its your JOB to fulfill said requests

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Anduin:

expectations are the problem

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Kevorkian:

YOu will run into that all over the place.

[20:29:17]

pike_:

should rotate an 'on call' group of devs every month and post their phone numbers on the main page :)

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Kevorkian:

Ill be willing to be on_call .. for a fee

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kruuli:

could anyone point me to a good noobproof guide for xmltv and grabbers? been googling for hours and i still dont work :/

[20:30:55]

Kevorkian:

nothing is noobproof

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Kevorkian:

kruuli, if you have a specific question .. I will try and help

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Kevorkian:

might be able to narrow your search

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kruuli:

thanks Kevorkian .. when i run the database command it cant find any information and it complains on a line in my grabber (swedb)

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kruuli:

line 157

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kruuli:

and it also says .. xmltv error 512

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Kevorkian:

my first idea would be to gogole the exact error message .. minus any site specific information of course ..

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kruuli:

been there done that :)

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Kevorkian:

knoppmyth ?

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kruuli:

ubuntu feisty

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kruuli:

everything else is working .. i can watch the channles fine..

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Kevorkian:

question .. by any chance are you trying to change from zap2it ?

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laga:

OH MY GOD! zap2it is going to shut down!

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** Kevorkian refuses to believe it .. **

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kruuli:

Kevorkian zap2it? havent touched that does not work in sweden

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Kevorkian:

kk kruuli

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kruuli:

its a clean install .. ubuntu mythtv and xmltv with the swedb grabber

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Kevorkian:

ahh .. so its never worked ..

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kruuli:

nope never worked .. sorry if i did not make that clear :)

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Kevorkian:

just for completness sake .. can you get to your source via a browser ?

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kruuli:

by source you mean?

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Kevorkian:

the url of the listings in question

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kruuli:

yes tried that

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Kevorkian:

oh well .. you lost me now .. while searching for your answer .. I found a sudoku puzzle solver

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kruuli:

haha

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kruuli:

damn!

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Kevorkian:

http://www.birtles.org.uk/sudoku/

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laga:

oh

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Kevorkian:

looks kinda cool

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** laga clicks **

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Kevorkian:

you may be intrested in the xmltvgui links there also

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laga:

we've got an insolvable sudoku in our student magazine this time. that'll teach 'em

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Kevorkian:

insolvable ?

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Kevorkian:

is that even a word ?

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laga:

yes.

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laga:

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/insolvable

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kruuli:

http://tv.swedb.se/content/view/55/48/ <-- thats the guide for the swedish grabber with xmltv done everything by the book but something isnt right :o

[20:44:54]

Kevorkian:

just never heard the prefix IN used in that manner

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t0ny-p40:

Zap2it is missing channels, like discovery.

[20:45:06]

t0ny-p40:

Any one else have this problem?

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kruuli:

(its in english) :p

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laga:

Kevorkian: english is not my native language so i tend to use prefixes that don't work that well together. i'm right more often than not, though :)

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Kevorkian:

awww t0ny-p40 .. the thing is that .. as you know .. zap is going away soon .. so .. like ..

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Kevorkian:

laga, you did fine .. its just .. uncommon ..

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Kevorkian:

at least in my experences

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laga:

Kevorkian: i'll add it to my list of favourite words then :)

[20:47:24]

Kevorkian:

so t0ny-p40 complaining to zap about missing a chan .. is kinda like trying to get the guy that just submitted his resignation to lift very heavy boxes.

[20:48:17]

t0ny-p40:

Ok I fixed it, I had to remove my line ups and then readd them.

[20:49:34]

loops:

hmm... when recording on first tuner, myth doesn't let me change channels while watching the on the second..

[20:49:49]

loops:

always shows same show no matter what channel i select

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Kevorkian:

are you SURE your watching the second one ?

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Kevorkian:

hmm .. I would check and make sure your inputs are maped properly

[20:50:11]

loops:

yes.. i named them tunerA and tunerB in setup

[20:50:21]

loops:

okay.. i'll double check

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Kevorkian:

it might be "changing" the other tunner

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loops:

oh.. that'd mess up my recording :)

[20:51:47]

Kevorkian:

I had that problem once .. when I was using a svid input and a IR blaster ..

[20:51:59]

Kevorkian:

myth was changing the wrong input

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Kevorkian:

I woudl be watching the internal tuner .. and chang chan .. and the box would chaange insted

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loops:

i have both "input connections" mapped to the same "video source"...

[20:52:51]

loops:

that's wrong i take it

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Kevorkian:

most likely

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loops:

video sources just look like listings though

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loops:

seems odd to have to enter zap2it account twice

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Kevorkian:

well .. it COULD be two diffrent listing alltogether

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loops:

thought i could tell it that same listings (ie video source) applied to both tuners

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Kevorkian:

im not sure about that loops

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loops:

no worries.. i'm sure i'll sort it :)

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Kevorkian:

but having them diffrent makes sense .. like in my case , one source has more chans then the other

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Kevorkian:

or if you have a QAM tuner and a analouge tuner .. they will need diffrent mapings and such

[20:56:08]

Kevorkian:

but for you .. I was saying just make sure that tunerA is really set to tunnerA and B to B ..

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loops:

right.. tunerA is /dev/v4l/video0 and tunerB is /dev/v4l/video1

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Krazylegz:

juski: Last question: You shipping those badges over here?

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kormoc:

juski, speaking of badges, xris gave me one, looks sharp!

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juski:

Krazylegz: yeah.. most of em have gone to the USA or canada.. prolly more to canada than the US

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Krazylegz:

Beirdo bought them all.

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juski:

nah got plenty left :)

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Krazylegz:

I think I want one.

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Krazylegz:

But it sounds pricey.

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juski:

at current exch. rates it might be lol

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Krazylegz:

True.

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Krazylegz:

Guess I should pass.

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juski:

up to you...

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juski:

anyway I'm off to bed.. g'night all

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Krazylegz:

Later.

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mikeones:

night juski

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Noble:

can anyone give me insight into why mplayer doesn't seem to notice my lircrc file?

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Noble:

i've got it in ~/.mplayer ~./mythtv and /etc/lirc

[21:40:08]

Noble:

the buttons are named right

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Noble:

program is mplayer

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Noble:

and the commands are what i've seen in all the lircrc files on the internet

[21:40:28]

Noble:

but it doesn't seem to react at all

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Noble:

when i'm doing 'watch videos'

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xris:

Krazylegz: Beirdo's not in canada anymore.

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Noble:

does mythtv/mplayer installed from feisty packages have lirc support?

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kruuli:

Kevorkian still there?

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kruuli:

iknow the site is swedish .. but anyone that knows anything about the problem i have please say so! http://tv.swedb.se/component/option,com_jooml . . . 930/catid,3/

[21:52:39]

clever:

Noble: i think my packaged mplayer on 7.04 is complaining about not being able to connect to lirc

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clever:

Noble: and i dont have it installed on that box

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kruuli:

posted a log on that site .. and the log is in english

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clever:

sounds like it has lirc client support in that mplayer

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Noble:

what log do i look at to see that?

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Imsdle:

hi all.. how do a force a reinstall on mythtv-backend... i set it up earlier in the week and it all went well but then the computer crash.. did a complete reinstall (as was the first setup) but now cannot get the live tv to work on the frontend box

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clever:

Noble: i see it on stdout of mplayer when playing files

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Noble:

thats clever ;)

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blackest:

anyone good with pvr150 's or know a good guide

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Midtronic:

howdy.. I was building a mythTV box until my motherboard decided that it didn't want to work anymore. I guess that means I need a new Mobo/CPU – oh well. Right now I have a pcHDTV tuner card and a GeForce 5500 graphics card. For starters, will that thing be able to output HDTV, and if not, what's a (relatively) inexpensive GFX card that can? For seconds, how monster a proc will I need to decode that HDTV?

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** Beirdo ain't in Canada for sure :) **

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Beirdo:

and the rssfeed plugin now has SIGHUP support

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thoraxe_ is now known as thoraxe

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Beirdo:

got mailboxes and then server/channels to go

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blackest:

got an awkward problem i have a driver for a dvb-t card when that gets installed it unfortunately rips out my pvr150's driver and thus that doesnt work when i put the iptv driver back by reinstalling the image hoho the dvb-t card driver goes ...

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blackest:

i think its iptv.ko which is getting overwritten

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v jams

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Noble:

is there any way to run 'video manager' automatically?

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Noble:

cause my mythvideo won't update until i run it

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Imsdle:

what is the simplest way to create a backend only mythbox for a newbie

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Noble:

install ubuntu, apt-get install mythtv, never run the front end.

[22:34:33]

Noble:

;)

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Noble:

oh. he left.

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Midtronic:

I'm pretty sure that's the simplest way to do it though. good answer

[22:38:38]

jams:

Noble- There is a option to have it browse the filesystem, instead of using the db. But to answer your question "no"

[22:40:34]

jams:

there are some batch import scripts, that you could run from cron

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Kevorkian:

why would you NOT want to run the manager .. thast where you get to mod the meta data and even dl the imdb stuff

[22:41:40]

Kevorkian:

OH even simpler way Midtronic and Noble .. knoppmyth or mythdora

[22:42:17]

Midtronic:

ooh, fancy. Didn't know about those

[22:48:28]

Tanthrix:

Noble: There must be a way, since I use mythvideo as a glorifed file browser. Whatever files I add just show up as soon as I exit and re-enter mythvideo.

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Kevorkian:

Tanthrix, which section are you talking about ?

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Kevorkian:

the manager is the one that will scan the dir

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Kevorkian:

the others just look at the DB for the info

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Tanthrix:

I don't use any of the metadata aspects of mythvideo – just use it as a file browser.

[22:50:41]

directhex:

i like the metadata

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directhex:

but it's so much effort to insert for episodes of series

[22:51:15]

Tanthrix:

I've got way, way, way too much stuff to ever bother with it.

[22:51:18]

Noble:

yeah, i don't use the metadata, cause i only ever watch anything maybe twice

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Tanthrix:

I just have everything very neatly organized and labled, so it all looks good.

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** Kevorkian shrugs **

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Noble:

browse the filesystem, eh?

[22:51:41]

Noble:

i'll look for that option

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Kevorkian:

I use it as a dvd server.

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Tanthrix:

Noble: Put it in file browser mode or something, then uncheck the "load metadata" option and that should do it

[22:51:54]

Kevorkian:

so I play with all the fun metadata

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Tanthrix:

Been a while since I set mine up

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Tanthrix:

Noble: I just have one folder that contains my four network smb mounts, which contain all my media files. It just makes the list of files everytime it loads, so if you add a new file all you do is exit mythvideo, re-enter, and it's there.

[22:53:35]

Tanthrix:

I wish there was a way to force a rescan without exiting and losing your place, but beggars can't be choosers.

[22:53:37]

Kevorkian:

Tanthrix, thats the "manager" section.

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Kevorkian:

which is what updated the db info ..

[22:54:06]

Kevorkian:

the way I read it he wants that same functions in the other sections.

[22:54:37]

Tanthrix:

Kevorkian: Are you referring to the video manager under the settings menu?

[22:55:11]

Kevorkian:

well .. where it is can change .. but whatever updates the video db

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Tanthrix:

What I'm saying is that I don't have a videodb, period

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Kevorkian:

in my theam its all in one menu

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Noble:

I have folder icons for my main video directories, tv, movies, short films, home videos... thats as far as I go for categorizing

[22:55:58]

Tanthrix:

If you go into the options you can set "Video list browses files" and uncheck "Video list loads metadata"

[22:56:43]

Tanthrix:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:VideoListview.jpg <--That is what I have

[22:57:01]

Tanthrix:

(Minus the metadata and cover jpg)

[22:58:06]

Tanthrix:

Noble: After you set those settings, press M and select "Switch to List View"

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Seabass:

I'm thinking about setting up mythtv on a core 2 duo with 2 gigs of ram and I will be encoding data onto a raid 5 array using ext3, what capture card should be getting to support hd capture?

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Tanthrix:

Seabass: There aren't any capture cards that do HD for linux, but if you're referring to an ATSC/QAM tuner the A180 is decently cheap

[22:59:22]

Noble:

nice, thank you!

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Kevorkian:

Seabass, I think we went thru this idea a few weeks ago .. really not much consumer level capture for HD

[22:59:28]

Seabass:

ahh I wasn't aware of that

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Tanthrix:

Noble: No prob.

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Noble:

hmm... i use the gallery... i wonder if the same thing would work

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Kevorkian:

you COULD drop a few grand for a commercial level HD capture card .. but then you would need to use OSX as your backend ..

[23:00:28]

Tanthrix:

Seabass: And with ATSC you are limited to what is broadcast over the air, and with QAM you are limited to what your cable provider sends over the cable unencrypted

[23:01:18]

Seabass:

would encoding at the level of a standard hr rip be feasable?

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Kevorkian:

???

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Tanthrix:

Seabass: Third option is firewire out over a supported cable box, but you are still then limited to what is provided unencrypted. (QAM and firewire 5C encryption are not the same though, I get almost all my channels via firewire, but niether my QAM TV or my QAM tuner card can get anything but OTA stuff)

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Seabass:

I dont really need to capture at HD levels

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Seabass:

my tv isnt even that good

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mikeones:

anyone using mythtv and f2a?

[23:02:42]

Kevorkian:

well .. is there a reason you want to capture , and not put a tuner in the box ?

[23:02:46]

Tanthrix:

Seabass: Well, in that case you can just get a cable box and do coax or RCA out

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Tanthrix:

Seabass: With an ir blaster to change channels

[23:03:23]

Seabass:

well I was under the impression that I could record show just as a tv would

[23:03:31]

Seabass:

tivo*

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Tanthrix:

Seabass: You can, that's the whole point of myth. It's just that with HD stuff you are at the mercy of the cable companies due to legal BS.

[23:04:05]

Kevorkian:

you could do that Seabass .. for SD .. if you want HD then you really want to put the tuner in the myth box

[23:04:21]

Tanthrix:

Seabass: If you're doing regular analog cable or analog OTA, just get a pvr-150 and you're set.

[23:05:12]

Seabass:

well I really dont know must about the different formats but I was shown a video that my friend called an "hr rip" which I thought was good quality but clearly not HD

[23:05:27]

Seabass:

I was wondering if I Could get that kind of quality out of a cheap card

[23:05:34]

Tanthrix:

Seabass: That is basically a resized HD rip

[23:05:49]

Tanthrix:

Seabass: And no, you cannot get that quality. Your choices are HD are SD.

[23:05:51]

Seabass:

because the SD streams look awful on my tv

[23:05:59]

Seabass:

I see

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Tanthrix:

Has to do with the fundemental difference between analog and digital transmissions

[23:06:09]

Seabass:

so I would have to put the tuner in the computer which is expensive?

[23:06:21]

Kevorkian:

Then you either want FW from the cablebox .. or a HD tuner in the box ..

[23:06:43]

Seabass:

is the downside of an HD tuner in the box price?

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Kevorkian:

depends .. do you consider $100 US expensive

[23:06:57]

Tanthrix:

Seabass: A $60 ATSC/QAM tuner card will get you ALL the over the air HD channels (nbc, cbs, etc..) and possibly cable stuff

[23:07:15]

Seabass:

that price would be worth it to me

[23:07:23]

Seabass:

one other question

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Tanthrix:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815100021

[23:07:37]

Seabass:

is it at all possible to encode to a NFS drive over gigE?

[23:08:25]

Tanthrix:

Seabass: Encode isn't the right word here – you are simply recording a digital transport stream as it comes in. And it's bitrate is only going to be 20 mbps max in most cases, so that should work fine

[23:08:45]

Seabass:

ok that might change my setup then

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Tanthrix:

That's why you don't have any control over the resolution – you aren't converting an analog stream to digital, you are simply getting a straight digital copy

[23:08:57]

Seabass:

ok that makes sense

[23:09:12]

Seabass:

and as far as playback goes for mythtv

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Tanthrix:

(Where straight digital copy == copy minus whatever errors you get due to signal quality and stuff)

[23:09:21]

Seabass:

could I play back existing xvid divx files?

[23:09:25]

Tanthrix:

Yes

[23:09:46]

Tanthrix:

The internal player will do that, or you can use mythvideo to use mplayer, xine, vlc, or whatever else you want to playback anything you want

[23:10:17]

Seabass:

so from what I gather I'll be taking a raw stream and just storing it on my hard drive

[23:10:26]

Seabass:

can I encoding it in different formats on the fly if I Want?

[23:10:35]

Seabass:

like turn it into xvid?

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Tanthrix:

You can transcode into mpeg4, but I'm not sure about on the fly

[23:10:56]

Tanthrix:

Don't know much about transcoding, sorry

[23:11:16]

Seabass:

so what format does the video get stored in on the hard drive?

[23:11:25]

GreyFoxx:

depends on your capture card

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Tanthrix:

Whatever it came in as

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GreyFoxx:

If it's a PVR* card it's mpeg12

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GreyFoxx:

mpeg2

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Tanthrix:

For ATSC stuff it will be an MPEG2 TS in the US

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GreyFoxx:

IF it's dvb or HDTV it'

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GreyFoxx:

s mpeg 2

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Kevorkian:

isnt there a pvr card that doesnt have a mpeg encoder ??

[23:12:27]

Kevorkian:

perhaps the 250 ?

[23:12:39]

GreyFoxx:

no, the 250,150, 350 and 500 all have mopeg encoders

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GreyFoxx:

There is awintv pvrII from 6–7 years ago that supposedly has an encoder but is not supported

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Kevorkian:

are you SURE .. I seem to remember that one , most likely the cheaperest one didnt

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GreyFoxx:

Yes, I am sure

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** Kevorkian shrugs **

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AndyCap:

Hmm, anyone know of a fix for missing frontend menu fonts in Fedora 7?

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** Kevorkian raises his hand .. **

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Kevorkian:

REINSTALL MYTH

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Tanthrix:

Seabass: For example, I have three tuner sources for my myth setup. A PVR-150 which does analog cable and does hardware based MPEG2 encoding, an A180 ATSC card that gets over the air digital channels, and my Motorolla set top box with firewire out that does all my digital cable channels minus a few that are encrypted

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Seabass:

is there a recommended distro that works well with mythtv?

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Seabass:

ok interesting

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GreyFoxx:

Seabass: The recommendation is to use the distro you know the best

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Seabass:

sounds like quite a setup

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Tanthrix:

Seabass: They still do analog cable in my area, so you can plug in any regular TV and get channels 0–70. If you buy digital cable extra, you get 0–70 plus above provided digitally, which includes HD stuff if ordered

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Kevorkian:

Seabass, there are even distoros just for myth .. knoppmyth and mythdora

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Seabass:

well I run centos 5 now

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Tanthrix:

Seabass: For some weird reason my firewire won't do NBC or PBS, which is why I got the ATSC card. I was hoping it would also pull all the digital channels without the need for the cable box, but unfortunately they are encrypted.

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Seabass:

but debian based distros always seems to be the easiest to install on

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Seabass:

tanthrix: and there is nothing you can do about that?

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Tanthrix:

Seabass: The ATSC card has been extremely reliable, so if all you want is the OTA stuff it's great way to go.

[23:16:29]

Tanthrix:

Unfortunately not. You are at the mercy of the cable company.

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Tanthrix:

Some people can't get any channels, while others that are lucky like me can get nearly everything.

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Seabass:

I have no experiance with OTA

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Seabass:

might be good to test everything out with

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Tanthrix:

It's just ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, and a few other channels in the US – and you can either get it through an antenna or your cable line

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Tanthrix:

At least, I can get it over my cable anyway.

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Noble:

i bought a firewire card, got a firewire cable box... and all i could get was the game show network

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Seabass:

haha

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Tanthrix:

Noble: Sorry to hear that.

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Seabass:

awful

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Seabass:

unless you love game shows

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Noble:

not especially

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Seabass:

awful

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Noble:

but that game show network sure looked nice

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Tanthrix:

Seabass: Fair warning though: I had a hell of a time getting my tuner card going with myth. It's easy to scan channels and stuff, but it can be difficult to get setup with a channel line up. So, just don't expect that you'll have it finished in 15 min.

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Seabass:

of course not

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Seabass:

but thanks for the warning

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Tanthrix:

(Getting the hardware installed, setup, and working only took 15 min though)

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GreyFoxx:

Tanthrix: Depending on what comes from the zap2it replacement stuff that might get a lot easier

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Seabass:

thats actually pretty amazing in itself

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Tanthrix:

GreyFoxx: I'm still thinking we're all gonna die.

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GreyFoxx:

hehe nah

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** Tanthrix runs around sreaming "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!" **

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Seabass:

would a P4 2.4 GHz be enough to record two streams and watch another one?

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GreyFoxx:

It's more a matter of picking the solution than anything :)

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GreyFoxx:

Seabass: Easily, assuming they are SDTV

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andyman53:

Hey all

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Tanthrix:

Seabass: With hardware encoding or digital TV the recording is trivial. It's playback that takes the resources.

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Beirdo:

hmmmm, wonder how I can programatically find out how much memory the current process is using...

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andyman53:

i can only get channels upto 13, aka vhf channels, but i'm using cable

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andyman53:

i can take the coax out of the tv card and the tv can go upto the 60s

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andyman53:

would it be the channel freq table?

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GreyFoxx:

andyman53: Check, see if you set the videsource to us broadcast or us cable

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GreyFoxx:

you want either cable or cable hrc

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Tanthrix:

Seabass: And YMMV for that. My Athlon XP 2600+ box would not playback HD with myth no matter what, even when using XvMC. (mplayer worked fine though)

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andyman53:

well it was set as default

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Tanthrix:

Seabass: Other people have had it working well on less.

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andyman53:

whats the difference between cable and cable hrc?

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Seabass:

yeah I know HD requires quite a lot to playback

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andyman53:

theres cable, cable-hrc and cable-irc

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GreyFoxx:

andyman53: from a users perspective just slightly different frequences per channel

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andyman53:

i see

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andyman53:

i'll try cable-hrc now

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GreyFoxx:

you will really need to try each, but usually us cable is all you need

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Seabass:

is the playback functionality (for non-myth recorded video) working pretty well

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andyman53:

because it says "failed to open card"

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Seabass:

right now I'm using xbox media center to play all my media

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andyman53:

yeah

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Seabass:

and the interface is extremely nice

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andyman53:

they all say fail to open card

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GreyFoxx:

andyman53: try shutting down the backend before running the setup

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Tanthrix:

I'm off, later all.

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andyman53:

it is off

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Beirdo:

getrusage..

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Seabass:

thanks for all the help tanthrix

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GreyFoxx:

Seabass: Works fine. I use the internal player for recordings, DVD's and all videos

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andyman53:

"programmer's error, see console"

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Beirdo:

cooool

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Seabass:

thanks greyfoxx

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GreyFoxx:

andyman53: IT's possible the user you are running mythtv-setup as doesn't have permissions to the devices

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Seabass:

works well is really the only important thing for me

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andyman53:

well this box was working fine, then i had no tv

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Tanthrix:

Seabass: No prob. I'm usually around if you have anymore questions. And like some people around here, I won't tell you to go RTFM, or throw arrogant sarcasm at you. ;)

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andyman53:

i fixed that, now i can only get VHF chans

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Tanthrix:

(Well, I can't promise about the arrogant sarcasm)

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Seabass:

tanthrix thats pretty rare on irc :)

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Beirdo:

hah

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Seabass:

haha

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andyman53:

i'm running it as root too

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Beirdo:

RTFM :)

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GreyFoxx:

if you ask overly basic questions I WILL tell you to rtfm :)

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Seabass:

thanks again

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Seabass:

and to every one else who answered my questions

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andyman53:

didn't update input devices after deleting sources FTL

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Dagmar:

Hell, I feel like I spent half the night teaching people how to read lately

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andyman53:

Fixed. Well Apparently at least.

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Dagmar:

Why can't Johnny RTFM? Because Johnny is an effing noob.

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andyman53:

rofl @ dagmar

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andyman53:

well toodles all

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andyman53:

< --- didn't rtfm

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andyman53:

hah

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andyman53:

gnite

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andyman53:

Back...ugh....

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andyman53:

all the channels come in staticky now

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andyman53:

as if i'm tuning it with rabbit ears

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ben_goodger:

heh

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ben_goodger:

do people really have those?

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andyman53:

i went back and forth between cable-irc and hrc twice, now its working?

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Krazylegz:

xris: I know Beirdo has been in Puerto Rico for a while now, but he's still a Canuck underneath!

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andyman53:

heh

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