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Monday, June 25th, 2007, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:21] Kevorkian: does dev/dsp exist ?
[00:00:47] armbar: dev/dsp does exist
[00:01:13] HrdwrBoB: does the myth user have permission to it?
[00:01:31] Kevorkian: cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp as root .. do you hear noise ?
[00:02:19] t0ny-p40: I'm not getting guide data for the discovery channel but I'm getting data for every other channel. Any Ideas why?
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[00:03:43] workman161: my xbox Mythtv frontend crashes randomly. how can I stop that.
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[00:05:51] armbar: Kevorkian: cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp says the device or resource is busy
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[00:17:12] armbar: lsof | grep /dev/dsp shows nothing
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[00:23:25] clever: lsof as root maybe?
[00:23:39] clever: also grep for /dev/snd
[00:24:40] armbar: snd show arts was running show I killed it.
[00:25:36] armbar: now when I cat /dev/random I hear nothing untill I kill it and then I hear a single crack.
[00:26:06] HrdwrBoB: yes
[00:26:12] HrdwrBoB: that's good enough
[00:26:17] HrdwrBoB: now start mythtv
[00:26:50] armbar: ok
[00:27:19] armbar: still no sound. I have tried a recording and live tv.
[00:27:34] HrdwrBoB: yeah restart it
[00:27:50] armbar: reboot?
[00:28:11] armbar: or restart mythfrontend?
[00:28:31] HrdwrBoB: the latter
[00:28:35] HrdwrBoB: restart mythfrontend
[00:29:02] armbar: still no sound
[00:33:05] armbar: I am using this pc http://www.epox.com.tw/eng/products_content.php?ps=315 and connecting a nvidia 6200 vdi out to hdmi and using the red and white audio on the pc to the red and white hdmi inputs on the tv.
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[00:55:23] cheeseboy: hi
[00:55:40] cheeseboy: i get error cannoy connect to master backend
[00:55:49] HrdwrBoB: yes
[00:55:51] cheeseboy: cannot*
[00:55:55] HrdwrBoB: try starting your master backend
[01:05:30] armbar: If i cat a mp3 into my /dev/dsp while in init 3 I get sound on my tv, but when in X I cannot get myth to play sound on my remote frontend.
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[01:17:30] armbar: should mythtv use alsa or oss?
[01:18:09] HrdwrBoB: yes
[01:19:25] cheeseboy: HrdwrBoB, how?
[01:20:00] HrdwrBoB: cheeseboy: do you have it all configured?
[01:20:09] cheeseboy: i think so
[01:20:30] HrdwrBoB: /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start but it depends on your distro and how you've installed it
[01:21:34] cheeseboy: HrdwrBoB, its already running
[01:21:44] HrdwrBoB: re 'restart'
[01:21:46] HrdwrBoB: try 'restart'
[01:22:05] cheeseboy: nope still cant connect
[01:22:45] armbar: so I had to set the system to use OSS and kill artsd to get sound out to the tv. Can I not use alsa and avoid having to kill arts proccess?
[01:22:47] cheeseboy: says i need to set proper ip
[01:23:59] HrdwrBoB: have you set it up properly
[01:24:05] HrdwrBoB: refer to the setup documentation
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[01:24:19] HrdwrBoB: do you have a frontend/backend?
[01:24:22] HrdwrBoB: or is it the same amchine
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[01:24:48] cheeseboy: HrdwrBoB, same machine
[01:25:04] HrdwrBoB: then it should be 127.0.0.1
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[01:26:00] cheeseboy: HrdwrBoB, where i set it?
[01:26:16] HrdwrBoB: in mythtv-setup
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[02:13:59] hads: Anyone have any thoughts as to why a frontend running on my desktop would have masses of prebuffering pause problems all of a sudden? The main FE/BE and the other (lower power) remote FE are both fine.
[02:14:48] hads: Interstingly it's only on recordings from the PVR150 card, recordings from the DVB cards playback fine.
[02:16:29] peter_: is your cpu usage high when the problems occuR?
[02:17:00] hads: No not at all, let me get a measurement.
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[02:17:46] hads: ~9% (It's an E6320 CPU playing back SD TV)
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[02:18:45] hads: It's only a recent thing, I'm not sure which revision it started happening at, I guess I should go back before the ffmpeg sync and see if that is what caused it.
[02:19:20] Kevorkian: Network latency ?? any errors at the port level ?
[02:20:07] hads: It's on a small switched 10/100 LAN, no errors that I'm aware of.
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[02:23:06] hads: I've just reverted to 13654 which is just before the ffmpeg sync, once that's compiled I'll see if that makes a difference.
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[02:40:17] hads: Well that did fix it, now I'm going to do a compile just after the ffmpeg resync and see if that is in fact the cause.
[02:41:05] Kevorkian: Cool
[02:41:43] Kevorkian: Off topic question .. Does anyone know of a stand alone dvd player .. as in consumer device .. that will allow control of the font / color/ size of the subtitles ?
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[02:42:20] TSCHAK: Kevorkian, i know of none.
[02:42:40] TSCHAK: Kevorkian, and honestly, such flexibility is considered taboo in a consumer facing device.
[02:42:46] TSCHAK: at least by the CE companies
[02:42:49] Kevorkian: I could always "remaster" the dvd .. but thats breaking the law.
[02:42:50] mchou: lol
[02:43:01] Fnc: Kevorkian: check out oppo
[02:43:11] Fnc: think there might be some limited stuff in them
[02:43:41] Kevorkian: Hmmm .. cool
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[02:44:01] Kevorkian: I like to leave teh subtitles on and the volume low .. ya know .. not wake up the nebiors at 3 am ..
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[02:44:16] TSCHAK: I just wear headphones.
[02:44:25] Kevorkian: and its annoying to have some that have yellow .. and some white .. some small .. some large .. some right over the picture ..
[02:44:53] TSCHAK: anyway, subtitles are actually implemented as a subchannel of the mpeg stream
[02:44:54] Fnc: Kevorkian... sorry i was looking... just has font 1 font 2 and font 3
[02:44:56] TSCHAK: it's pictoral data
[02:45:10] Kevorkian: ummm ..
[02:45:15] Kevorkian: its text
[02:45:20] Kevorkian: I thought
[02:45:28] TSCHAK: same as used as the highlightable areas in menus
[02:45:29] TSCHAK: no.
[02:45:31] TSCHAK: it's not.
[02:45:37] Kevorkian: hmmm
[02:45:37] TSCHAK: look at the vobsub specification.
[02:46:31] Kevorkian: Thats strange .. there is one dvd that has yellow subs on one dvd player .. but white on another ..
[02:46:40] Kevorkian: I guess thats just color ..
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[02:46:49] Kevorkian: so at least that would be changable ..
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[02:47:23] Fnc: oppos rock for pq though and what all they can play
[02:47:27] Kevorkian: and the same thing with postions .. one playes this one dvd with the subs right in the middle of the screen .. the other keeps em low ..
[02:48:18] ** Kevorkian wants the $30 ones :-D **
[02:48:35] TSCHAK: soooooooooo flexible, and cheap
[02:48:45] TSCHAK: flexible, cheap, consumer device
[02:48:47] Kevorkian: I have flexable and cheap ..
[02:48:49] TSCHAK: there is an old saying
[02:48:55] Kevorkian: yea .. I want the "device" part
[02:49:05] Kevorkian: good .. fast .. cheap .. pick any two
[02:49:14] TSCHAK: yes
[02:49:15] TSCHAK: :-P
[02:49:41] RyeBrye: Anyone here running F7?
[02:50:17] RyeBrye: My MySQL isn't allowing remote connections, and I think it's a problem with my my.conf file – so if anyone has a working /etc/my.conf file that they coudl pastebin it would probaly save me some time :)
[02:50:32] Kevorkian: this one cheapo dvd player I got .. does not output any vbi CC information .. which I thought was kinda a law ..
[02:51:12] Kevorkian: being that there is a "rule" that all movies sold in the usa must be captioned .. either via the dvd meathod .. or CC in the vbi
[02:51:46] RyeBrye: You want vbi cc from your DvD player?
[02:51:46] mchou: Kevorkian: wow, didnt know dvd's used vbi for subtitling
[02:51:53] Kevorkian: they .. can
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[02:53:21] TSCHAK: since when?
[02:53:25] Kevorkian: yea RyeBrye there are some movies that dont have normal "captions"
[02:53:30] Kevorkian: forever
[02:53:45] mchou: yup Kevorkian speaks truth
[02:53:59] mchou: learn something new every day :)
[02:54:04] TSCHAK: it's not the dvd player really
[02:54:32] TSCHAK: i mean, dear god so long as there is something in the CC scanline, and it's right.. the vbi decoder on your tv will handle it..
[02:54:44] Kevorkian: ummm .. ok .. well .. I have one player that will display CC .. and another that wont .. both on the same TV same input ..
[02:54:57] Kevorkian: same dvd even
[02:55:11] Kevorkian: same settings on the tv ..
[02:55:45] Fnc: Kevorkian check out the ziova stuff also
[02:56:20] Kevorkian: being that the vbi caption information isnt "really" vbi in the video .. the player needs to pull that info and then introduce it into the vbi on the output ..
[02:56:43] Kevorkian: the player that dont do it .. is a cheapo.
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[03:51:14] RyeBrye: 2007-06–24 21:49:21.005 Finished recording ION Life "Men's Health: Dealing With Colon and Prostate Cancer": channel 1010
[03:51:23] RyeBrye: Hmm... maybe MythTV is trying to tell me something ;)
[03:52:29] Dr_willis: It learned ESP from the Miss Cleo Channel.
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[04:38:42] Kevorkian: RyeBrye, Thats one feature I do love about tivo .. the suggestions ...
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[04:41:49] clever: uhhhh
[04:41:51] clever: mythwelcome is eating '25.5'% of my cpu
[04:44:20] clever: 2007-06–24 23:44:10.790 MythWelcome received a RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE event
[04:44:20] clever: 2007-06–24 23:44:10.790 [deferred to pending handler]
[04:44:28] clever: yay now mythwelcome is having a spam fest
[04:45:03] clever: 2007-06–24 23:44:50.603 MythWelcome received a RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE event
[04:45:19] clever: wait its not done yet:P
[04:47:47] clever: mythtv 19770 11.0 35.4 240992 182996 pts/2 SLl 23:07 4:21 mythwelcome
[04:47:53] clever: mythtv 19770 11.1 35.7 242016 184448 pts/2 SLl 23:07 4:29 mythwelcome
[04:48:01] clever: mem usage climbing
[04:48:35] clever: mythtv 19770 11.4 36.1 245088 186712 pts/2 SLl 23:07 4:42 mythwelcome
[04:48:36] clever: mythtv 19770 11.4 36.1 245088 186712 pts/2 SLl 23:07 4:42 mythwelcome
[04:48:40] clever: oops doublepaste
[04:49:45] gagbro: if you want it, I have 15 years of weblogs handy
[04:49:48] gagbro: just ask
[04:50:03] clever: lol
[04:50:40] gagbro: if you count back the years, then you know I'm full of BS
[04:50:56] clever: mythtv is eating so much cpu that 'top' is slowing to a halt
[04:50:58] gagbro: www wasn't invented in 1992
[04:51:26] clever: 50% cpu going to a backend that isnt recording or streaming
[04:51:36] clever: lol
[04:52:47] wireddd: ok so I just upgraded the kernel on my mythtv backend, and I have completely forgotten what I need to do to get ivtv working, I have a pvr150 non MCE
[04:55:13] wireddd: this is what I get when I modprobe ivtv http://pastebin.ca/587875
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[04:59:37] TSCHAK: gagbro, actually, I have WorldWideWeb.app on my NeXT cube, which dates back to late 1991.
[04:59:43] TSCHAK: gagbro, :-)
[05:00:22] gagbro: great, as I remember it www came around '93
[05:00:37] degreseven: is anyone here using fluxbox on their mythbox? I just upgraded both mythtv (to 0.20.1) and fluxbox (to 1.0) and now fluxbox's toolbar is always drawn on top of mythtv
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[05:00:49] ** gagbro decides to google a bit **
[05:00:55] TSCHAK: gabromosaic was released in 93.. but it wasn't the first browser... WorldWideWeb was... a combination
[05:01:07] TSCHAK: of viewer and editor.
[05:01:21] gagbro: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Www has me wrong too – 1990 it was
[05:01:22] wireddd: I just don't know what that error means
[05:01:33] TSCHAK: gagbro, correct.
[05:02:06] gagbro: you're right – three years of debating if images should be included
[05:02:10] TSCHAK: gagbro, I was using WAIS and Gopher as my primary information retrieval mechanisms before then.
[05:02:28] TSCHAK: and ARCHIE for looking for files on FTP sites
[05:02:40] ** gagbro was a sysadm at a copenhagen school of datamatics **
[05:02:43] TSCHAK: and the occasional usenet troll
[05:02:48] TSCHAK: gagbro, cool :-)
[05:03:09] ** TSCHAK can't remember, was there an AFS cell in use there? **
[05:03:17] gagbro: goper and archie ruled back then indeed – and usenet had yet to be flooded by aol "me too"s
[05:03:46] TSCHAK: USENET was full of very creative ASCII porn.
[05:03:48] TSCHAK: ;-)
[05:04:34] gagbro: oh yes, not to mention nice weird places like alt.pave.the.earth or alt.1d
[05:04:41] TSCHAK: hehehe
[05:04:46] TSCHAK: alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die
[05:04:48] TSCHAK: ;-)
[05:05:28] gagbro: those where the days of true fun and modems with cups for the phonebone
[05:06:23] TSCHAK: hehehe.. I have an Atari 830 (rebadged Novation) coupler still... it worked the last time I messed with it about 10 years ago.. now it's in the box.
[05:06:57] ** gagbro just emptied his computer museum to get back a full room **
[05:07:18] gagbro: it's weird so affectionate I get about obsoleted boxes
[05:08:02] wireddd: nobody has any suggestions?
[05:12:55] TSCHAK: wireddd, nope, not with the information that's there.
[05:13:50] TSCHAK: wireddd, it looks like the ivtv driver had a soft failure in where it couldn't allocate a page of memory...
[05:14:25] TSCHAK: wireddd, can you roll back your kernel?
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[05:25:37] wireddd: well a cold boot seems to have fixed the ivtv driver
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[06:47:07] cesman: quiet tonight
[06:47:51] laga: it's 9am for me
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[06:53:58] gagbro: if you miss some actrivity, then why not write a torrenting plugin for mythtv ?
[06:54:02] gagbro: -r-
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[06:54:16] laga: gah
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[06:57:33] gagbro: gah? I would find access to bitmetv.org most usefull
[06:57:48] peter_: what is bitmetv.org?
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[06:58:41] gagbro: http://www.bitmetv.org/ is a torrenting site for tv-shows and series
[06:58:56] peter_: mythtv can record the shows
[06:58:58] hads: gagbro: It's not a topic talked about here. Please change the subject.
[06:58:59] laga: gagbro: a) use google b) there won't be an official torrent plugin. it's frowned upon because torrents are often used for illegal stuff
[06:59:11] gagbro: hads, I hear you
[07:00:31] gagbro: laga, I will obeide by the rules, but spare me the pseudo arguments
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[07:01:37] laga: i'll also spare you an insult for that remark.
[07:01:59] gagbro: you failed at that
[07:02:09] laga: oops.
[07:02:14] laga: well, i'll show you the reason
[07:02:15] laga: wait a second
[07:05:05] laga: gagbro: a torrent plugin is frowned upon because a few... journalists tend to exaggerate and turn mythtv into a " genus of technologies dedicated to helping people steal pay-per-view and premium television."
[07:05:09] laga: http://advancedmediacommittee.typepad.com/emm . . . _nonmyt.html
[07:05:13] laga: http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://gk.n . . . o6656Q5DFGp(
[07:05:21] laga: oops. quite along url :)
[07:05:38] laga: you'll have to login or use bugmenot to read the nyt article.
[07:06:36] gagbro: indeed a long url for a page that requires me to register or do something illegal to get access
[07:07:01] laga: *shrug*
[07:07:19] clever: lol
[07:07:40] clever: just do the torrents manualy and set the default dl location to mythvideos folder
[07:08:04] clever: also im not naming any torrent clients or where to get torrents so im probly not breaking the channel rules:P
[07:08:18] gagbro: nice blog – it reminds me of current MS FUD, claiming that linux in itself is breaking MS patents, and warning any bussiness against upcomming lawsuits
[07:08:28] clever: lol
[07:08:31] ** laga scratches head **
[07:08:50] gagbro: but as I said, I won't speak of unwanted topics, so this debate is silly
[07:11:02] clever: mythwelcome is spaming this again
[07:11:02] clever: 2007-06–25 02:10:53.774 MythWelcome received a RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE event
[07:11:52] clever: and is slowly eating more and more ram
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[07:18:26] kormoc: clever, http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Bittorrent
[07:18:47] kormoc: clever, talking about anything torrent related is frowned upon, even if you don't mention specifics
[07:19:09] clever: :(
[07:19:09] clever: any hints on the mythwelcome spam?
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[07:20:27] clever: it caused my recording to get corupt also
[07:20:27] clever: 2007-06–25 02:20:04.177 NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Ran out of free AUDIO buffers :-(
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[07:23:06] cleverca: also my irc connection is running thru the backend and is getting slowed by the backend
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[07:34:09] gagbro: kormoc, thanks for the pointer, I was away a for a bit to go over the faq myself, to make sure I won't repeat or do similar nono's
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[07:50:46] clever: for some reason
[07:51:01] clever: mythwelcome is hearing every commflag req the frontend makes
[07:51:34] laga: clever: why not? it can't shut down if mythcommflag is running
[07:51:49] clever: its allready commflagged the file
[07:51:57] clever: its hearing the frontend asking where the flags are
[07:52:27] clever: which is causing a massive ammount of stuff to queue up in mythwelcome waiting until the frontend exits
[07:53:14] ** clever grabs a line from the log **
[07:53:31] clever: 2007-06–25 02:51:40.209 MythWelcome received a RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE event
[07:53:31] clever: 2007-06–25 02:51:40.209 [deferred to pending handler]
[07:53:36] clever: times 10000
[07:53:59] clever: 132327 to be exact
[07:54:10] clever: (grep RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE /tmp/welcomelog |wc -l)
[07:54:46] clever: wait no just 44112
[07:54:58] clever: was also counting the times it came up in the raw socket stuff
[07:55:06] clever: 2007-06–25 02:47:37.904 MythWelcome received a RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE event
[07:55:11] clever: 2007-06–25 02:51:40.211 MythWelcome received a RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE event
[07:55:20] clever: 4 solid mins of that being spit out
[07:55:30] clever: after watching just 30 seconds of a show on the frontend
[07:57:56] ** clever trys to reproduce it using multiple boxes **
[07:59:32] clever: media host is running frontend
[07:59:40] clever: theP4 is running masterbackend and mythwelcome
[08:00:04] laga: sounds weird.
[08:00:28] clever: 2007-06–25 03:00:08.245 read <- 12 71 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]COMMFLAG_REQUEST 1020 2007-06–22T23:00:00[]:[]empty
[08:00:28] clever: 2007-06–25 03:00:08.245 MythEvent: COMMFLAG_REQUEST 1020 2007-06–22T23:00:00
[08:00:36] clever: thats showing up on the output of mythwelcome -v all
[08:00:48] clever: even though the host thats running on isnt playing any files
[08:01:15] clever: yeah it is weird
[08:01:31] clever: also when mythwelcome actualy starts the frontend properly
[08:01:38] clever: it queues all those events internaly
[08:01:50] clever: causing them to all spil out at once when the frontend exits
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[08:03:52] clever: starting theP4's frontend thru mythwelcome
[08:04:09] clever: it should now queue up all the crap that the other frontends are causing
[08:05:39] clever: it did spit some out but not much
[08:05:53] clever: i think it was 1 event for each video i played on the other frotnend
[08:06:03] clever: but with longer runs it can get worse
[08:14:00] Tanthrix: Well that's a god damn crime. I'm watching Dirty Jobs and this furniture company is buying up ancient slow growth logs recovered from river bottoms, then turning it into veneer for pressboard pieces of junk
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[08:19:41] ** cesman discovers about 90 gigs of .mpg.tmp files in his tv directory... **
[08:20:34] cesman: anyone know what the deal is w/ .mpg.tmp files?
[08:21:01] HrdwrBoB: probably temporary mpg files
[08:21:03] HrdwrBoB: !
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[08:22:13] Tanthrix: Don't those get made during transcodings? (And should disapper afterwords, assuming everything is working correctly)
[08:23:13] cesman: Tanthrix: makes sense
[08:23:22] cesman: thanks
[08:23:31] laga: but 90G of them?
[08:23:56] cesman: well, that doesn't make sense
[08:23:56] Tanthrix: I played around with some transcoding for the first time today, and what appeared to happen was the transcoding was made to the temp file, then the temp file replaced the original
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[08:24:04] Tanthrix: Maybe an automatic transcoding setting?
[08:24:45] cesman: my guess is that transcoding failed and the tmp didn't replace/get replaced
[08:24:56] cesman: one of the shows, I know failed transcoding
[08:25:16] cesman: well, good night folks
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[08:41:20] juski: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh morning
[08:41:33] pat_: uhhh evening after a long day
[08:41:45] pat_: hope your day at work isn't a bugger
[08:41:59] juski: I dunno if I feel awake enough to notice
[08:44:11] juski: could be the kind of scenario where I have to blag a half day holiday
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[08:49:01] juski: won't be making any commits today that's for sure!
[08:53:03] laga: long day after a short night today :(
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[08:59:16] planktonboy: hi all
[08:59:29] pat_: evening
[08:59:51] planktonboy: hehe, morning :)
[08:59:59] juski: yeah I fell asleep at 7pm yesterday. got woken up at 11pm, went to bed.. didn't get any sleep til at least 2.30am – I'm wrecked today
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[09:00:16] planktonboy: juski, know the feeling mate
[09:00:29] juski: too old for 13 hour drinking sessions
[09:00:40] planktonboy: only had 3 hours sleep last night
[09:01:03] planktonboy: BT man coming this morning as my phone line is fuxxored
[09:01:22] juski: good training for LRL though I spose
[09:01:43] planktonboy: got the most horrible noise coming down it, since the thunderstorm last wednesday
[09:01:55] planktonboy: hehe
[09:02:08] juski: random bit noise ftw!
[09:02:23] juski: you must have got a crossed line with a Virgin Media phoneline
[09:02:31] planktonboy: anyway, just trying to order some things to finish of my mums pc, but cant decide on a suitable sound card
[09:02:49] planktonboy: saw good reports on the chaintech 710 card
[09:02:56] juski: for tasks like that I find 'A soundcard' works best
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[09:02:59] planktonboy: but cant get that in UK I
[09:03:41] juski: unless your mum is a musician / hifi buff I wouldn't worry too much about it
[09:04:09] planktonboy: you mean something like a simple SB Audigy would be fine
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[09:04:30] juski: easily, apart from driver installation being a complete & utter PITA
[09:04:42] planktonboy: yeah that was the other thing
[09:05:09] juski: terratec make ok cards I've heard, and they do budget ones
[09:05:32] planktonboy: yes I was looking at them, and are they compatible witgh linux then
[09:05:47] pat_: I thought that for mums, the onboard dealio is generally sufficient
[09:06:01] juski: should be ok – there aren't *that* many different codecs out there
[09:06:22] planktonboy: pat, yeah but she wants a bose sound system so I thought I would try sound with digital out
[09:06:36] planktonboy: ok
[09:06:37] juski: oh gawd any old card will do for that then!
[09:06:58] juski: you won't be needing/using an audigy's poncy DSPs
[09:06:58] laga: heh
[09:07:01] planktonboy: well, the Bose system I saw the other day had optical in
[09:07:37] juski: http://microdirect.co.uk/(17415)Trust-SoundFo . . . -SC5250.aspx – under £20
[09:07:39] laga: i'm probably going to get myself a 5.1 system from teufel, but i don't know if i should get one with an ac3 decoder or just use a software decoder.
[09:09:13] planktonboy: juski, that might work
[09:09:15] planktonboy: :)
[09:09:46] planktonboy: unless I just give her my old sblive 5.1 and get a more future proof card for myself
[09:10:25] juski: or this – suppoerted by alsa – http://microdirect.co.uk/(8462)Terratec-Aureo . . . l-inout.aspx
[09:11:45] planktonboy: ok thanks mate..will look at that
[09:11:53] juski: so your mum's gonna be on linux eh?
[09:12:03] planktonboy: LOL, yup
[09:12:06] planktonboy: its a worry
[09:12:11] planktonboy: haha
[09:12:24] juski: can't be much more confuzzling than say, Vista
[09:12:37] planktonboy: actually youre right
[09:12:46] planktonboy: I really dont like vista
[09:12:58] directhex|work: use an audigy for linux.
[09:13:02] directhex|work: always
[09:13:02] pat_: mum just upgraded herself to vista and quite likes it
[09:13:06] juski: my dad's had to take it off a few of his mates' machines cos they hated it
[09:13:14] planktonboy: directhex, whys that
[09:13:22] directhex|work: hardware mixing
[09:13:24] juski: they like 'free' software :-P
[09:13:59] planktonboy: def
[09:14:03] laga: why would i want an audigy for linux?
[09:14:08] juski: or should that just be they don't pay for software lol
[09:14:12] laga: oh
[09:14:13] laga: hm
[09:14:16] directhex|work: only a hardware mixing card will guarantee being able to play sound at the same time in 2 apps, regardless of the apps
[09:14:56] juski: ah so the fancy DSP gets some welly then
[09:15:20] juski: though even my crap onboard via audio chip has 4 audio paths for that
[09:15:21] Tanthrix: Vista makes me weep inside.
[09:15:33] ** Tanthrix shudders at the increasing number of computers coming in at work with Vista on them **
[09:15:35] laga: directhex|work: dmix works zhere ;)
[09:15:56] directhex|work: laga, on ALSA apps with appropriate Hz rate, yes
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[09:18:04] planktonboy: ok how about this one then http://microdirect.co.uk/(12299)Terratec-Aure . . . Digital.aspx
[09:19:36] pat_: planktonboy: I think for your mum, the answer is "any that supports the output format you are after, either digital or analogue"
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[09:20:29] planktonboy: pat, I think I'll just give her my old SB Live 5.1 which has spdif out and then get a new card for myself
[09:21:13] planktonboy: that way I can justify upping the specs of the card a bit and get something with Dolby and DTS and optical out
[09:21:24] planktonboy: or something lime that
[09:21:28] planktonboy: like even
[09:21:40] planktonboy: hmmm..decisions decisions
[09:21:45] HrdwrBoB: yeah
[09:21:52] HrdwrBoB: sblive is fine
[09:22:06] laga: "dolby and dts". does that actually matter in linux?
[09:22:30] planktonboy: bloody decisions....cant even decide what type of beer I want to drink when I go to the pub, how am I supposed to decide something like this :)
[09:23:00] planktonboy: laga, no idea, but have enabled it in Myth :)
[09:23:11] laga: heh
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[09:23:31] laga: you can have more than one beer, but having more than one sound card is silly
[09:25:03] planktonboy: heh
[09:25:36] HrdwrBoB: heh
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[09:28:36] planktonboy: ok thanks for the help chaps
[09:29:05] degreseven: does anyone know why alsa would not allow me to set my line in as a capture source so that i can get sound with my wintv-go?
[09:29:10] planktonboy: will have a look at the audigy, terratec and trust one and compare them
[09:29:23] planktonboy: then make that damned decision :)
[09:29:27] planktonboy: hehe
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[09:59:32] juski: ENOMOTIVATION
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[11:11:22] gpd: I seem to be experiencing crashes with MythTV when non run as mythtv user.
[11:11:45] gpd: I suspect it has something to do with the write permissions of the recordings as they are 644 mythtv:mythtv
[11:11:58] gpd: can I get myth to set the files to 664 by default?
[11:12:42] gpd: My workaround atm is to use mythtv logged in as mythtv and then run a second X11 for my browsing etc.
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[11:16:25] juski: only the backend needs access to recordings
[11:16:39] juski: the frontend doesn't delete any files itself – it asks the backend to do it
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[11:16:56] juski: so it shouldn't matter which user you run mythfrontend as
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[11:17:14] juski: unless of course you're not running mythbackend 'properly'
[11:17:15] gpd: well the frontend crashes when I run as myself but seems much more stable when run in its own login
[11:17:40] gpd: there may be other factors involved of course as one is under gnome – the other not
[11:17:41] juski: is your user a member of a group allowed to use video acceleration?
[11:17:45] gpd: yes
[11:17:59] juski: nothing daft like beryl going on perchance?
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[11:18:08] gpd: no beryl on this macvine
[11:18:37] gpd: nothing in the logs that i can see
[11:18:54] gpd: but when navigating the menu it just 'goes away'
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[11:19:25] gpd: my current solution is fine I think and the separate X11 works well
[11:19:39] gpd: just switch between them with Ctrl-Alt-F9/F7
[11:19:42] juski: weird, though
[11:20:10] gpd: if I work out why I'll post a report
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[11:48:12] planktonboy: juski, think Im going to go for the Terratec card that you linked me to
[11:48:25] planktonboy: just looking at routers now :)
[11:48:39] planktonboy: netgear rangemax I think
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[11:50:12] juski: rangemax.. lol
[11:50:45] juski: a bit like me calling a theme awesome-wide :-P
[11:52:07] ubuntuEdgy: ?
[11:52:11] janneg: that's not a bad name
[11:52:17] ubuntuEdgy: hi all
[11:52:28] ** janneg types svn mv blootube-wide awesome-wide **
[11:52:39] planktonboy: hehe, indeed
[11:52:41] dburr: Is anyone here using mfd?
[11:52:42] juski: janneg: it's a bit big-headed even for me though lol
[11:52:58] juski: anybody seen http://mythtvnews.com/ – stumbled upon it today
[11:53:22] janneg: juski: as long as I do the rename nobody will blame you
[11:53:26] planktonboy: but so long as it works like it says it could be called Barbie Router and I'd still use it :)
[11:53:51] juski: planktonboy: unless it was shocking pink – or maybe even moreso then :-P
[11:54:04] planktonboy: ROFL
[11:54:30] juski: hrm. "mythtv article in ubunut magazine".. http://fullcirclemagazine.org/download-manager.php?id=1
[11:54:36] planktonboy: hmmm..let me go check see if they do it in shocking pink
[11:54:39] juski: could be good for a laugh
[11:54:46] planktonboy: touchee
[11:55:13] juski: glow in the dark pink, more 1337
[11:55:14] planktonboy: was just about to say that
[11:55:28] juski: more r@ngx00r
[11:55:29] planktonboy: hehe
[11:56:19] juski: oh fack. they announced redundancies at one of our other sites last friday. fack fack fack
[11:57:24] HrdwrBoB: hm
[11:57:31] HrdwrBoB: mythtv backend crashes randomly
[11:57:56] Sid`: my PVR150 kills mine regularly enough
[11:58:03] Sid`: using the recommended firmware, too
[11:58:14] Sid`: need to hook an debugger up to it, but thats a total CBF moment
[11:58:24] HrdwrBoB: I'm using a leadtek er.. DTV1000T
[11:58:49] juski: HrdwrBoB: bad signal eh?
[11:59:18] HrdwrBoB: it's not THAT bad
[11:59:19] HrdwrBoB: but yeah
[11:59:28] HrdwrBoB: gets the occasional glitch
[11:59:46] HrdwrBoB: [775349.534542] cx88[0]/2-mpeg: cx8802_timeout
[11:59:48] HrdwrBoB: etc
[12:00:48] HrdwrBoB: Jun 25 00:46:46 watch kernel: [699572.413190] cx88[0]: irq mpeg [0x80000] pci_abort*
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[12:03:47] siXy: HrdwrBoB: i have a DVT-1000T as well, which also tends to crash due to low signal
[12:04:02] siXy: so i wrote a little script to restart it
[12:04:13] HrdwrBoB: yeah
[12:04:18] HrdwrBoB: that's what I was going to do
[12:04:29] HrdwrBoB: but in true fashion, it's on my list of things I should get around to :)
[12:04:49] siXy: http://rafb.net/p/4MGWbj68.html
[12:04:58] siXy: theres mine
[12:05:09] Sid`: the dvb tuner stuff could stand to be in its own (supervised) process per-physical-tuner
[12:05:19] Sid`: whereby it talks to the backend via an pipe
[12:05:24] Sid`: at least, that's how i'd do it
[12:07:22] siXy: or maybe fix whatever causes the crash in the first place :) but im not much of a programmer, really, so i dont feel i have the right to complain
[12:08:29] HrdwrBoB: I could fix it
[12:08:33] HrdwrBoB: but TV is crap anyway
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[12:21:49] dburr: So no-one has used mfd before? Does the frontend automatically use it or does it have to be explicitly enabled?
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[12:32:06] juski: mfd is very much WIP isn't it?
[12:33:26] dburr: There haven't been many mosts on the ML about it so I was thinking that it was dead
[12:34:13] juski: I thought it was more just a concept waiting to be fully fleshed out
[12:35:32] juski: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MFD
[12:35:36] dburr: I see. What exactly is the concept? I understand that mfd runs as a daemon and can run multiple plugins simultaneously
[12:35:47] SiD3WiNDR: mythtv franscoding daemon
[12:35:57] dburr: Yeah, I read those links
[12:36:07] dburr: They were all from ~2004... another reason why I thought it might be dead
[12:36:51] dburr: I was wondering whether the current FE talked to the daemon or if MFE was going to replace it
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[12:42:23] juski: it's in svn
[12:43:50] juski: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/ :)
[12:43:56] dburr: Yeah, I'm working on an ebuild to get it installed with. I was just wondering if anyone had any experience with it and if I was wasting my time
[12:44:34] juski: no idea – infact your question is the first time I've ever even seen it mentioned here
[12:46:33] siXy: be interested to know the outcome dburr
[12:46:53] dburr: Okay. What I'm actually trying to do is get a way to get mp3s to play in the backend. I thought I saw a patch for MPD support a while ago but I couldn't find them again. That's why I thought I'd give mfd a go
[12:49:08] SiD3WiNDR: itunes content eh
[12:49:13] SiD3WiNDR: does it speak DAAP ?
[12:50:05] dburr: I don't care for itunes myself but according to the mfd supports DAAP according to the README
[12:54:33] siXy: SiD3WiNDR: there is (or was) DAAP support in the pipeline for myth. no idea of the status of it now tho – it might already be in main build
[12:55:18] SiD3WiNDR: I saw "itunes" in the url's linked from that MFD wikipage, and as I'm running firefly on my fileserver that would be a nice way without having to mount stuff
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[12:55:57] siXy: whats wrong with mounting?
[12:56:12] SiD3WiNDR: what's wrong with not mounting? :)
[12:56:18] SiD3WiNDR: smbfs sucks
[12:56:44] siXy: SiD3WiNDR: cifs
[12:57:49] SiD3WiNDR: sucks just as much, of course :)
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[12:58:25] Gurft: Alright, I think I'm doing something silly.
[12:58:36] SiD3WiNDR: Gurft: I agree!
[12:58:42] Gurft: I reset the PVR-150 via v4l2-ctl to record at 720x480, but all my recordings are still 480x480
[12:58:46] Gurft: and it looks liek the card is getting reset.
[12:59:06] Gurft: is there somewhere in myth I need to set it to 720x480 and it'll handle setting the card to that res?
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[13:01:37] Gurft: I upgraded from a 27" tube to a 42" plasma and I can def see the quality difference :-/
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[13:04:00] otwin: Gurft: 'Recording Profiles' ?
[13:04:43] Gurft: I didnt' know if that would actually modify the resolution of the capture card though.
[13:04:46] Gurft: if it does, fantastic.
[13:04:50] juski: yes it can
[13:04:55] juski: teh awesome!
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[13:18:42] Gurft: I dunno how much that's really goign to help my quality problem. I think I just need to accept
[13:19:03] Gurft: I"m recording at 720x480 then displaying in 1366x768. I'm goign to have some color bleeding and blurriness.
[13:19:30] Gurft: What's frustrating is the wife comparing to the DVR from the sat company, where everythign is crisp.
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[13:20:08] juski: so use svideo rather than composite if using an external cable box
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[13:20:29] juski: and maybe output at 720x480 too
[13:20:52] juski: because unless the cable co's DVR is HD, that'd only be 720x480 max too
[13:20:53] Gurft: Well, right now it's SVIDEO to the back of the PVR-150
[13:21:35] Gurft: I"m wondering if I need to upgrade IVTV drivers and firmware to the latest
[13:21:44] Gurft: I'm running 0.10.1, looks like 0.10.3 is out and newer firmware.
[13:21:59] juski: with my pvr150 I can tell the difference between direct digital recordings from DVB & analogue – but analogue is still very good
[13:22:20] juski: set mythtv to record at 720x480 in all recording profiles
[13:22:29] juski: livetv & default, primarily
[13:22:51] juski: it obviously won't improve previously recorded shows though!
[13:22:58] Gurft: duh ;)
[13:23:06] Gurft: SO that's what I just did, we'll see what this mornings news looks like.
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[13:23:47] Gurft: You know what... I think my sat box is borked.
[13:23:49] juski: mythtv's default of 480x480 looks like VHS compared to the dvd-like 720x576 I've set it to
[13:24:04] Gurft: quality looks like shite when I plug the svideo directly into the TV too
[13:24:10] Gurft: but coming in with Coax looks beautiful.
[13:24:16] Gurft: WTF
[13:24:23] juski: heh. that'd do it
[13:25:07] ** Gurft searches for another SVIDEO cable to make sure it's not a $5 part that's busted and not the $100 reciever **
[13:25:26] Gurft: I wish I could hook the HD DVR up to myth and just pull the recordings over.
[13:25:28] Gurft: that'd be heaven.
[13:25:44] Gurft: I love the HD DVR, but the interface is horrendous.
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[13:26:54] dburr: Does it support upnp?
[13:27:19] Gurft: what's uPNP? I haven't tried playing with the USB port on the back, but there's no firewire.
[13:27:26] HWL306: hi guys, doesnt support mythtv hardwaredcoding for my nexus-s? cause my video output lags
[13:28:15] dburr: uPNP is a standard that some consumer electronics supports for connecting to other hardware. Might want to check the manual for your HD DVR
[13:30:11] juski: HWL306: nope. no plans for supporting it either
[13:30:24] juski: use a less sucky vga card maybe?
[13:30:57] juski: 800mhz athlon with a nvidia fx5200 is good enough to play PAL SDTV at 720x576 no problems!
[13:31:34] HWL306: ive got vesa an tvout
[13:31:43] juski: vesa? eeew!
[13:31:53] juski: install proper drivers!
[13:31:59] HWL306: mpact2 isnt supportet by linux
[13:32:03] HWL306: and it wont bie
[13:32:04] juski: oops
[13:32:05] HWL306: e
[13:32:09] HWL306: ok
[13:32:16] HWL306: than i will use
[13:32:20] HWL306: vdr
[13:32:26] juski: fair nuff
[13:32:38] HWL306: it supports the better tvoutput of my card
[13:32:57] juski: no – it actually DOES support your card's TV out – mythtv doesn't ;)
[13:32:59] HWL306: but it hasnt got all the features mythtv has,
[13:33:22] juski: not much money buys you a reasonable VGA card these days
[13:33:52] HWL306: i know, i use graphiccards tvout witht mythtv but its a little blurry cause x doesnt accept my modelines
[13:34:04] HrdwrBoB: not much money buys you an LCD TV as well :)
[13:34:24] HWL306: i wann have the features of mythtv for vdr
[13:34:27] HWL306: muaaaah
[13:34:29] HWL306: ok
[13:34:42] HWL306: i'll have to use vdr
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[13:36:55] dburr: HrdwrBob: Got a spare one around then? :)
[13:37:02] juski: you can't put really nice themes on vdr :)
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[13:38:28] spader3d: hi all
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[13:38:51] spader3d: is there a way to convert those nuv files to mpg files on mythtv 0.20?
[13:39:24] spader3d: I would like to play them on my mediamvp for livetv
[13:39:42] spader3d: is there a dongle with the convertion included?
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[13:45:51] GreyFoxx: spader3d: Nope, myth goes in the other direction
[13:46:08] GreyFoxx: If you want to convert the other way you will need to use another tool or something on the commandline
[13:47:38] spader3d: you mean like mencoder?
[13:47:41] juski: ffmpeg has a dvd compliant mpeg2 output option
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[14:02:51] Gurft: Is there a way to see which firmware I'm running on my ivtv card?
[14:03:28] juski: firmware won't make much if any difference to picture quality AFAIK
[14:08:47] Gurft: I wonder if what I'm seeign could actuallyb e considered ghosting
[14:09:07] Gurft: I found some info in the IVTV site about fixing ghosting and resetting v4l2-ctl --set-ctrl temporal_filter=0
[14:09:22] Gurft: specifically mehntions that it doesn't play well with scaled images...
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[14:14:13] juski: that temporal DNR is BS – they shouldn't enable it by default. makes all recordings look like they're being seen on an acid trip
[14:14:47] juski: I wondewr if they've sorted out the robotic audio problem yet
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[14:42:32] thoraxe: anyone know if directv or dish network have firewire/usb on their STB that can be controlled by myth? (yes i know it's not MYTH that controls it but you know what i mean heh)
[14:42:44] thoraxe: someone in here the other day was using firewire to control a motorola STB for comcast
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[14:43:20] fryfrog: thoraxe: I use firewire to control *and* record from a motorola box from comcast
[14:43:32] fryfrog: I think with Sat, the best luck you can do is a serial port on the box
[14:43:56] fryfrog: I think in the ./contrib/ dir you can find channel changers for a number of sat/cable boxes, that way you can try and find one that works
[14:44:21] thoraxe: fry i think you were the guy i was talking to the other day about it even
[14:44:37] thoraxe: i could always use an IR blaster or something i suppose
[14:44:54] thoraxe: i just moved and got new comcast service but i don't have any analog cable (didn't pay for it)
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[14:45:03] fryfrog: ah
[14:45:26] thoraxe: in the process of deciding what to get — comcast dig, dish, dtv
[14:45:27] fryfrog: the comcast STBs with firewire (the HD ones basically) seem to work very well over firewire, both for recording and changing the channel
[14:45:36] thoraxe: didn't you say you occasionally have issues?
[14:45:48] fryfrog: if you want to *record* HD, you are stuck with comcast and firewire :(
[14:46:02] thoraxe: i don't have an hdtv yet so i'm not worried about that at the moment
[14:46:05] fryfrog: yeah, I wish I could tell you how many recordings out right fail
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[14:46:07] fryfrog: ah
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[14:46:19] fryfrog: then go for which ever you want, captured via svideo i'd imagine?
[14:46:29] thoraxe: atm i only have a pvr-150
[14:46:44] thoraxe: i was using analog tuning at my previous residence
[14:46:50] thoraxe: no stb
[14:46:55] thoraxe: and i was also using sagetv
[14:46:57] fryfrog: I probably record about 10 shows a day, I think 1 or 2 end up being badly mangled (usually from a specific few channels)
[14:47:28] thoraxe: i'm looking at rebuilding the htpc computer to use myth now that I've found mythdora
[14:47:30] fryfrog: and then, (luckily, i think) it will just outright fail to "recieve" a channel and the recording just doesn't happen
[14:47:39] thoraxe: interesting
[14:47:43] thoraxe: might i ask what channels?
[14:47:55] fryfrog: so far it tends to be some new ones that added
[14:48:07] fryfrog: 870 is "Universal HD" which seems to show a bunch of random, HD shows
[14:48:19] fryfrog: it has L&O: SVU in HD (where TNTHD has L&O in HD)
[14:48:31] fryfrog: it seems to be a good place to catch re-runs that I might have missed
[14:48:38] fryfrog: think they have old Sopranos too
[14:48:50] thoraxe: ah interesting
[14:48:54] fryfrog: A&EHD *might* fail occasionally, but I don't think there is a lot I record on there
[14:49:20] fryfrog: *most* of what I record is "educational" or science related, so comes from the science channel, discovery hd, discovery, etc
[14:49:36] fryfrog: so that is where a number of the failures are (due to sheer number)
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[15:02:33] mkrufky: i need a pcHDTV 2000 tester... anybody?
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[15:04:01] timekllr: what do you need tested ?
[15:04:59] mkrufky: http://linuxtv.org/hg/~mkrufky/fcv1236d
[15:05:10] mkrufky: ^^ i need this tree tested, to confirm that it still works after this change
[15:05:20] mkrufky: do you have a pcHDTV 2000 , timekllr ?
[15:05:54] timekllr: no, thought you meant you need someone to test a pcHDTV, as in – you'll send it hehe
[15:06:49] mkrufky: oh, lol ... nah. if i had one i'd just test it myself ;-)
[15:07:30] mkrufky: the change it almost trivial, and i'm almost inclined to push it in without testing, if i cant find a tester...... although testing first is always better
[15:07:33] mkrufky: s/it/is/1
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[15:11:07] mkrufky: j-rod: if you could get your friend to test my tree (above) i'd be very grateful :-)
[15:12:41] j-rod: mkrufky: I'll see what I can do (or rather, get him to do)... :)
[15:13:04] mkrufky: j-rod: thanks — i appreciate it
[15:14:03] j-rod: mkrufky: have other cards surfaced w/a fcv1236d to necessitate the change, or just trying to DTRT?
[15:14:58] mkrufky: DTRT ?
[15:15:06] j-rod: Do The Right Thing
[15:15:09] mkrufky: both
[15:15:29] mkrufky: j-rod: FusionHDTV II uses fcv1236d + or51211 also, but that doesn't depend on the change above
[15:15:41] mkrufky: Sasem Onair HDTV uses fcv1236d + lgdt3302
[15:15:47] ** j-rod giggles at one of hans' commits: ivtv: fix ia64 printk format warnings. **
[15:16:02] mkrufky: Hauppauge WinTV-D uses fcv1236d + tda9620 (or something like that)
[15:16:15] mkrufky: hehe, why the giggle?
[15:16:16] ** j-rod cringes at the notion of people putting cap cards in ia64 boxes... **
[15:16:24] mkrufky: oh, lol
[15:16:30] mkrufky: it does happen, believe it or not
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[15:16:34] directhex|work: j-rod, i'm out of PCI slots in my ia64 box :(
[15:16:37] j-rod: because of all the current pain and suffering I'm going through myself working on ia64 right now
[15:16:54] mkrufky: ah
[15:16:59] j-rod: xen on ia64 is getting reasonably close to viable though...
[15:17:13] directhex|work: and CPU hotswap?
[15:17:32] j-rod: just some remaining goofy shit with dom0 memory allocation and blktap memory usage going bonkers
[15:17:46] j-rod: I don't touch the cpu hotswap stuff
[15:18:48] j-rod: had a tapdisk process in dom0 reporting in top that it was using 5000% of system memory last week, pretty nifty. probably leaking VMAs.
[15:19:10] mkrufky: wow
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[15:20:39] directhex|work: j-rod, hm. how about working out why set_mempolicy is broken for me?
[15:21:03] j-rod: mkrufky: like it was on cue, my buddy just pinged me, so I pointed him at that tree...
[15:21:11] mkrufky: awesome!
[15:21:14] laga: j-rod: is that 0.20.1 release ever gonna happen?
[15:21:17] j-rod: directhex|work: hm...
[15:21:24] mkrufky: j-rod: if it works for him, i'd just love to push this in today
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[15:21:32] j-rod: laga: blargh. dunno.
[15:21:38] directhex|work: jms@orac:~/test> numactl --interleave=all ./test2.sh
[15:21:38] directhex|work: set_mempolicy: Invalid argument
[15:21:38] directhex|work: setting interleave mask: Invalid argument
[15:21:40] laga: j-rod: scnr. :)
[15:21:44] directhex|work: :(
[15:22:23] j-rod: laga: first Isaac was out of town, now I'm absolutely swamped at work, so... Maybe some day? :)
[15:22:31] laga: j-rod: sounds good to me!
[15:22:41] dburr: mkrufky: How'd the testing go with the DD4 changes?
[15:23:13] mkrufky: dburr: i temporarily lost access to my test box in europe... I'll email the guy and get back to you in a few days
[15:23:29] mkrufky: dburr: thanks again for helping with that — i'll let you know what happens
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[15:24:17] mkrufky: dburr: did you see the email on the list about the remote control? I am interested in helping to make that work, but if it already works (to my surprise) then there's nothing left to do
[15:24:37] mkrufky: dburr: i think we'll probably want to take this into #linuxtv if you wanna try today
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[15:28:22] fryfrog: any news on datadirect?
[15:31:15] tdonahue-laptop: ni all
[15:31:21] tdonahue-laptop: err... hi*
[15:32:48] tdonahue-laptop: i was wondering if anyone here knew if the remote control and the tv-tuner built into the aopen MP945-VDR (http://tinyurl.com/2yowhu) were compatible with linux/myth-tv
[15:34:26] mkrufky: tdonahue-laptop: we're going to need to know the exact model # of the 'tv tuner' device, itself
[15:35:33] tdonahue-laptop: mkrufky, that is the problem, i haven't bought it yet and the one that we have in the office at work for the digital signage stuff they are doing doesn't have the tuner
[15:35:56] tdonahue-laptop: i was hoping someone here might have had one already
[15:38:40] mkrufky: tdonahue-laptop: i'd call the vendor and ask, if i were you
[15:40:12] tdonahue-laptop: mkrufky, thanks, i'll send an email to their support group and see if i can track down the information
[15:41:18] cesman: since you have access to one, you can try a bootable CD and see if modules for the tuner are loaded...
[15:42:10] tdonahue-laptop: cesman, i have access to the base hardware, but unfortunately the tuner card isn't installed
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[15:43:40] juski: fryfrog: if or when there's news I'm sure it'll be hard to avoid the fanfare ;)
[15:45:05] juski: and jees by golly, today was crap even for a Monday. announcing redundancies at the site I moved from last october. enough to make me very worried despite the announcement at the very same time that the future looks very bright. hard to reconcile those 2 things IMHO
[15:45:06] directhex|work: j-rod, yay, fixed it \o/
[15:45:26] j-rod: directhex|work: xen on ia64 in its entirety? :)
[15:45:44] directhex|work: j-rod, no, my memory interleaving problem
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[15:49:05] j-rod: tdonahue-laptop: some prodding of the aopen forums would suggest the tuner card is the AOpen 90.MPC64.0310
[15:49:38] j-rod: http://minipc.aopen.com/Global/spec_Accessories.htm
[15:50:30] j-rod: oh, too neat... the product manual pdf comes up completely reversed... like I'm looking at it in a mirror...
[15:50:50] siXy: thats unique :)
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[15:52:00] j-rod: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /015414.html
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[15:52:20] j-rod: the aopen card appears to also be known as the LR351
[15:52:45] j-rod: okay, back to work...
[15:53:17] rambo3: what does that have to do with chess on mythtv ?
[15:53:31] ** juski chuckles **
[15:53:49] tdonahue-laptop: j-rod, thanks, i'm thinking i'm just going to go with the "suck and see" version here... even if the tuner card doesn't work it should connect to my backend box just fine
[15:54:12] mkrufky: LR351 !! that's been getting a lot of attention on the linux-dvb list. you may want to look at those archives, tdonahue-laptop
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[15:59:43] wastrel: my replay remote had a "return to live" button, is there a way to do this in myth?
[16:00:44] directhex|work: jumppoint or whatever it's called?
[16:00:47] juski: jumppoint keybindings :)
[16:00:58] juski: wiki wiki, wikiwiki, wiki!
[16:02:17] juski: hmm.. I say 'wiki wiki, wikiwiki, wiki' but er... poop
[16:02:54] juski: ah yes.. http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Jump_points
[16:03:10] juski: which in turn gets you to http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Keybindings
[16:03:38] mkrufky: that doesnt seem to answer his question, exactly
[16:03:38] juski: still, nothing specific enough.
[16:03:48] mkrufky: i think he's asking to be able to do the following:
[16:04:06] juski: jump into livetv from any point, with one button press
[16:04:14] mkrufky: watch a live recording, after having it paused for a bit, or rewounded, or whatever..... then push a single button to FF all the way into the present time
[16:04:42] juski: ahhh different thing altogether
[16:04:48] wastrel: mkrufky has it
[16:04:50] mkrufky: yeah, is that what u wanted, wastrel ?
[16:05:03] mkrufky: aha, i knew it... thats a feature my brother's Time Warner DVR has
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[16:05:22] mkrufky: i dunno if myth has that feature, but if it doesnt, it would be an easy thing to add
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[16:07:22] juski: doesn't appear to be any way to do that without adding yet another keyboard control
[16:08:19] mkrufky: ...so i guess that means myth doesnt have such a featurem yet?
[16:08:31] mkrufky: (maybe this is an excuse for me to dive into mythfrontend code)
[16:09:29] juski: there might be a facility in there already, just not bound to a specific key yet.. not sure
[16:10:01] juski: wow – there's a 'reload theme' key you can use? cool!
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[16:11:02] wastrel: i still have a few unassigned buttons on my remote :]
[16:11:07] wastrel: but i don't think i'll use that one
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[16:13:19] juski: you might be able to use * to arbitrarily seek then enter a large number of mins, say 99, but that's 3 presses..
[16:13:35] juski: though doing macro functions with lirc is possible iirc
[16:14:14] qu0zl: you can do that, enter a large number and press forward trick, Juski
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[16:19:33] juski: I think there are already a huge number of possible keys to use, so finding one that isn't already assigned in that context might be very difficult
[16:19:33] juski: of course you could argue that the new function should take the place of a lesser-used existing one, but that might be tricky to get implemented ;)
[16:19:33] juski: looking at mythcontrols though – there are plenty of functions I didn't even know existed!
[16:19:34] juski: like O to list upcoming episodes of the show you're watching
[16:19:36] juski: and favourite channels? didn't even know they existed!
[16:19:38] juski: see folks this is why, when you have some spare time, you should sit down & explore :)
[16:20:13] laga: yup
[16:20:15] TSCHAKWerk: juski: indeed :-)
[16:20:18] juski: oh wow – I really need a remote with more buttons!
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[16:20:24] ** Kazan waves **
[16:20:29] laga: i still need to get my remote working. i'm just too lazy ;)
[16:20:43] juski: ffs I knew mythtv was brilliant but these discoveries mean so much more!
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[16:21:16] juski: laga: your badgers will be in the post tomorrow
[16:21:41] TSCHAKWerk: badgerbadgerbadgerbadger....
[16:21:46] clever: lol
[16:22:05] juski: snaaaake!
[16:22:12] TSCHAKWerk: a dirka-dirka-dirka-dirka MUS-LIM MUS-LIM...dirka-dirka-dirka-dirka...
[16:22:19] Kazan: what discoveries are those juski
[16:22:23] clever: LOL
[16:22:26] juski: reminds me I should download a bunch of CC videos for the show
[16:23:06] juski: the way I feel today – that'll pretty much be how I feel the day after LRL. not looking fwd to that much
[16:23:29] laga: juski: thanks! :)
[16:23:31] juski: maybe if I keep this in mind on the saturday evening it'll help me hold back some.. pfft
[16:24:01] clever: i think my mythwelcome is leaking memory horibly
[16:24:20] clever: its receiving commflag data from all frontends
[16:24:33] clever: and when its actual running its frontend that queues up
[16:24:46] ** juski wonders if mythwelcome is themeable **
[16:24:48] ** Kazan roots around the mailing list looking for updates on 'The Situation'... finds none **
[16:25:03] clever: juski: mythwelcome uses the theme that the frontend and -setup uses
[16:25:35] juski: hrm why is mythwelcome jumping straight into mythfrontend on my box?!
[16:25:48] juski: ahh.
[16:25:51] juski: eeeew!
[16:25:55] clever: ?
[16:27:21] juski: www.juski.co.uk/welcome.jpg ... eew
[16:27:47] juski: that looks farking horrible
[16:28:03] clever: lol
[16:28:07] wastrel: l8r :]
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[16:28:14] ** Kazan grumbles about no updates on the wiki **
[16:28:17] clever: juski: that looks normal to me:P
[16:28:37] clever: m(menu) to get at a few settings
[16:28:40] juski: I'll put welcome-ui.xml on my to-do list
[16:28:54] clever: it can spawn off a xterm to fix things if you need it and other sutff
[16:29:19] juski: hrm. I might even see what I can do about the qt menus looking so abysmal too
[16:29:26] juski: qt themes!
[16:29:34] clever: lol
[16:29:42] ** clever trys to reproduce the bug i found lastnight **
[16:29:52] juski: ah shit! why am I so adept at giving myself MORE work? wahhhhhh
[16:29:53] clever: 3 hosts
[16:30:01] TSCHAKWerk: what the hell is mythwelcome's purpose anyway?
[16:30:02] clever: all running backends
[16:30:23] clever: TSCHAKWerk: it uses less ram then a full frontend and still gives basic info and the ability to fire up the frontend
[16:30:33] juski: I should commit sphery's theme patches first, if I've not already done so I think
[16:31:10] clever: theP4 is the masterbackend
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[16:31:15] clever: media is running mythwelcome
[16:31:22] clever: laptop is running mythfrontend
[16:31:37] ** clever trys to crash the mythwelcome using a diff host and normal usage **
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[16:34:47] clever: 2007-06–25 11:33:46.382 read <- 7 71 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]COMMFLAG_REQUEST 1244 2007-06–23T23:30:00[]:[]empty
[16:34:47] clever: 2007-06–25 11:33:46.382 MythEvent: COMMFLAG_REQUEST 1244 2007-06–23T23:30:00
[16:34:57] ** clever wonders why the mythwelcome is receiving those events **
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[16:59:03] armbar: are there any other dual sd tuner cards like the pvr-500?
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[17:00:08] Kazan: no idea
[17:00:13] Kazan: why would you want one other than a pvr-500
[17:00:18] Kazan: how could one compete with it :D
[17:01:40] armbar: Kazan: some of the comments indicate the pvr-500 has less quality comppared to two 150's and yes I know a 500 is two 150's
[17:01:59] Kazan: that's almost rubbish
[17:02:03] Kazan: it's not PVR-150 vs PVR-500
[17:02:08] Kazan: it's which chips were placed on it
[17:02:13] Kazan: specifically which tuner chips
[17:02:25] armbar: ok
[17:02:26] Kazan: and.. that issue has been resolved in newer versions of ivtv
[17:02:53] armbar: so are all pvr 500 the same quailit as a 150?
[17:02:56] Kazan: they switched tuner chips a while back and until the firmware had good tweaks addressing those tuners there were some quality issues
[17:03:05] Kazan: a pvr 500 is literally two 150s
[17:03:56] Kazan: on a PVR-500 board there is a PCI to PCI bridge – that bridge connects to a local PCI bus, then two 150s attach to that PCI bus
[17:04:12] Kazan: (that PCI to PCI bridge connects the oncard PCI bus to the system PCI bus)
[17:04:31] clever: lol
[17:04:52] Kazan: or that is what i've guessed at from looking at it and poking it with lspci, etc
[17:05:00] clever: ahh
[17:05:07] Kazan: it's probably very close to the truth
[17:05:17] Kazan: pay attention to the PCI IDs on your 500s
[17:05:29] Kazan: you'll notice the two enumerated devices are on their own PCI bus
[17:05:30] clever: dont even have a hardware encoder
[17:06:40] Kazan: my PVR-150s address is 00:0b.0 – the two heads of my PVR-500 are 02:08.0 and 02:09.0
[17:07:02] clever: ahh
[17:07:29] armbar: Kazan: has the pvr500 given you any quality issuses?
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[17:12:58] armbar: reading these comments indicate there was an issue. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . _Experiences
[17:13:01] Kazan: armbar: no
[17:13:22] Kazan: i have noise on low numbered channels.. but that's not the PVR-500s problem (it happens on the 150 too.. it's line noise)
[17:13:32] Kazan: armbar: like i said... the keyword in that is past tense
[17:13:38] armbar: ok
[17:13:42] Kazan: though.. i have one of the ones with the original tuners
[17:13:51] armbar: what did you gice for your 500?
[17:13:57] armbar: *give
[17:14:32] Kazan: those are ancient
[17:14:37] Kazan: i haven't put a comment in
[17:14:40] Kazan: but those ones are ancient
[17:14:47] Kazan: ivtv 4.3 is ancient
[17:15:03] Kazan: .10.3 = cur
[17:15:13] armbar: I use 10.3 with my 350
[17:15:29] Kazan: .4.10 is latest for kernels <=2.6.15
[17:15:50] Kazan: .4.3 was released 2006-02–15
[17:15:55] armbar: ahh, ok
[17:17:06] Kazan: ivtvdriver.org
[17:17:33] armbar: anyone know of a good source for the 500 besides ebay?
[17:17:38] Kazan: newegg
[17:18:23] Kazan: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116628
[17:18:30] armbar: the mce model is ok?
[17:19:10] Kazan: yes
[17:19:15] Kazan: it means nothing
[17:19:21] Kazan: it's just buzzword
[17:19:33] Kazan: that's the exact one in my system
[17:19:36] Kazan: ordered from newegg
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[17:20:18] armbar: Kazan: cool, thanks for the input. I will be looking for my new 500 so I can add more tuners.
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[17:40:28] Honk: when using UIImageType::SetImage(): why does the image sometimes not get cleared (i'm setting different sized images and sometimes the background still shows the old image even though i'm calling refresh afterwards)
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[17:50:52] fryfrog: try shift-refresh
[17:51:02] fryfrog: or, right *after* you do it... your browser probably caches the sizes
[17:51:16] fryfrog: and so when gallery sends you the new ones, your browser thinks they are the old ones
[17:51:20] laga: fryfrog: he's making a plugin
[17:51:24] fryfrog: you can either live with refreshing once or tw....
[17:51:29] fryfrog: oh, forget me then :)
[17:51:36] fryfrog: i should have read a bit closer :)
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[17:51:46] fryfrog: oh frick
[17:51:52] fryfrog: this isn't even the #gallery channel :)
[17:51:53] fryfrog: ahhaha
[17:51:58] laga: heh
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[18:07:55] juski: re the pvr500 'quality issues' – I was under the impression that the 'Samsung tuner problems' had been sorted out long ago
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[18:39:56] Kazan: juski: they were
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[18:54:21] ubuntuEdgy: hi , i was using mythweb when suddenly the "music" icon disappeared . dose any one know how to get it back
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[19:00:07] ubuntuEdgy: i fixed it :D
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[19:05:40] mkrufky: j-rod: any word on the pcHDTV-2000 test?
[19:07:06] mkrufky: juski: we fixed the 'Samsung tuner problems' in a 2.6.x.y point-release.... i dont recall which one that was, but i can look it up if need be
[19:07:58] j-rod: mkrufky: hm... had to run away for a bit, then pidgin blew up on me, and now my buddy isn't online...
[19:08:01] juski: I thought as much, so any 'quality' argument is kinda redundant now :)
[19:08:12] mkrufky: juski: yeah
[19:08:23] mkrufky: j-rod: pidgin? is that the name of your box?
[19:08:41] j-rod: mkrufky: pidgin == new name for gaim, post-settlement-with-AOL
[19:08:48] mkrufky: oops, i knew that
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[19:09:07] mkrufky: ubuntu isn't complying yet, and thats what i use here at work
[19:09:16] mkrufky: so, it's easily forgotten :-)
[19:09:22] j-rod: aha
[19:09:31] Tanthrix: About damn time! Shooting has finally commenced for Indiana Jones 4
[19:09:50] j-rod: I think fedora has done gaim replacements for everything back to fc5 and rhel3
[19:09:58] mkrufky: j-rod: so, last u heard from him, he was about to do the test?
[19:10:20] mkrufky: hmm, i should upgrade to f7 before i get eol'd :-)
[19:10:49] j-rod: mkrufky: didn't get a specific time out of him... He's on vacation-at-home (too much paid time off built up, *has* to take some time off) and said it'd be no problem to get it done, but didn't say when he was going to do it and then I had to run away
[19:11:42] mkrufky: j-rod: ok, cool... i guess i'll ping you again tomorrow about it if i hadn't heard from you yet by then. (sorry in advance if im being annoying :-P )
[19:12:39] j-rod: mkrufky: heh, nah, not a problem. You sir, are permitted to ping me whenever. Just keep churning out the dvb drivers. ;)
[19:13:00] mkrufky: :-D will do
[19:13:36] j-rod: which reminds me... I wonder how Richard Dale is coming along with that saa7167 driver...
[19:13:42] mkrufky: 7162
[19:13:52] j-rod: er, yeah, thought that didn't quite look right
[19:13:56] mkrufky: looks like Manu Abraham is also working on that one
[19:14:13] j-rod: ah, cool. haven't had time to poke at it at all lately.
[19:14:32] j-rod: hell, the boxes I have those cards in haven't even been spun up much in the past month
[19:14:38] j-rod: -ETOOMUCHRHEL5CRAP
[19:14:49] mkrufky: i am still sitting on the new tuner silicon code... i've yet to see a device hit the market that uses a tda18271
[19:15:21] mkrufky: i mean, it works on this device i have here, but this one isnt available yet to the public, so no sense in releasign the code yet
[19:16:02] mkrufky: do you have any _other_ new hardware lacking linux support?
[19:16:49] j-rod: nah, nothing else new at the moment, unless you count the new firewire stack...
[19:17:09] j-rod: ...which I believe is quite broken wrt myth usage. oops.
[19:17:11] mkrufky: oh, im not touching that
[19:17:12] mkrufky: lol
[19:18:03] mkrufky: i started working on the OnAit GT — having some issues with it's firmware api. something tells me the vendor had problems, too.... .they're using isoc transfger for the mpeg2 stream!
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[19:18:30] j-rod: trying to fix crap there (firewire stack) is on my todo list, but much lower than some other fun w/kexec/kdump/xen
[19:18:57] j-rod: oh fun
[19:19:28] mkrufky: hehe
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[19:26:21] simplton: Is anyone here familiar with the mythDVD playback bug that causes the control to stick when you are rewinding and fast forwarding?
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[19:41:57] juski: simplton: you mean when using the Internal player and you have 'sticky ffwd/rew' enabled in mythfrontend?
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[19:47:05] simplton: juski: yeah
[19:47:15] simplton: Is there a fix for that?
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[19:48:41] juski: yeah. unset 'sticky ffw/rew'
[19:48:53] juski: tv playback settings I think
[19:50:43] simplton: Yeah I know, I've tried to remove sticky keys and there's no difference
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[20:03:26] Esotericisms: what is the word on the street about a replacement for zap2it.com?
[20:05:33] Esotericisms: wow quiet in here
[20:06:03] Dagmar: THat all users asking questions about it in the channel are to be hunted down and killed
[20:06:36] Esotericisms: well I was just curious because I am working on a solution ... but if one was already out there then I didn't want to go down that path
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[20:07:30] Dagmar: Well, there is a mailing list and a wiki to look at
[20:07:55] Dagmar: Both of which would constitute a _more thorough look_ than just asking whoever happens to be in an IRC channel at the time
[20:08:09] Dagmar: If there were something to say, it would be engraved on the moon by now
[20:12:27] degreseven: is there any reason that i would NOT be hearing sound after connecting audio out from a wintv-go to line in on my sound card, and unmuting the line?
[20:15:44] anykey_: degreseven: yes, you are using a framegrabber
[20:15:49] anykey_: degreseven: get a pvr-150
[20:16:06] degreseven: anykey_, i have a pcr-150, this is my second card
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[20:16:22] degreseven: i hadn't used it for a while, and last night i had 2 shows to record at the same time
[20:16:30] degreseven: this morning i noticed the second did not have sound
[20:16:42] anykey_: degreseven: then get another pvr-150 :p
[20:17:00] degreseven: so now i'm trying to figure out what's going on.... usually with line unmuted i just hear sound playing all the time, even when not watching tv, but nothing now
[20:17:07] degreseven: well..i'm kind of poor
[20:17:26] degreseven: if you think my card broke?
[20:18:01] degreseven: i could have bought another pvr-150, but i just bought a new hdd =)
[20:18:04] anykey_: I don't know what's going on with your card, I just know that framegrabbers are crap and you should avoid them where you can ;)
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[20:18:38] anykey_: it's not worth the time...
[20:19:16] Dagmar: Yes, it's always good to save five bucks by buying crap
[20:19:44] degreseven: thanks guys that helps a lot
[20:19:49] degreseven: ... =P
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[20:21:40] gpd: juski: my frontend crashing doesn't seem to be anything to do with the user: seems to happen if you Esc near the end of playback
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[20:26:02] gpd: the only error I have are Parser not found for codec Id: 94212 !
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[21:02:19] simplton: \quit
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[21:04:57] sphery: gpd: That "error" (which is actually just a too-verbose message) is unrelated to a crash.
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[21:06:40] RyeBrye: After reading on the users list, I have a solution to the zap2it problem...
[21:06:55] ** mkrufky is curious **
[21:06:59] ** laga too **
[21:07:16] RyeBrye: We need to have users write their own data and put into a big database, then we distribute the gigantic database file via bit torrent. The torrent files are shared vita nntp
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[21:07:53] ** mkrufky will wait to see what the MythTV dev's come up with, instead **
[21:07:55] RyeBrye: Oh, but if you have TiVo then you scrape your TivoWeb :)
[21:07:58] ** RyeBrye was kidding **
[21:08:32] mkrufky: i dont want to miss my favorite show because some schmuck user cant spell the title correctly
[21:08:53] briand: RyeBrye: hmm... so, if I'm the only MythTV user in my market (and, I probably am), then I can write up my own listings and submit them, then download them via bittorrent. Okay. why is *that* efficient?
[21:09:14] laga: briand: you forgot usenet
[21:10:36] sphery: Who needs efficient. The purpose of the thread is to solve a non-existant technical problem, rather than the real availability-of-data problem.
[21:11:55] briand: true enough, sphery. they keep "solving" the "bandwidth issue" which, as has been pointed out at least a dozen times in those threads, is not an issue.
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[21:13:04] briand: laga: heheh.. yeah. I need my listings, along with a liberal sprinkling of spam for XXX web sites.  ;)
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[21:15:44] mikeones: hello
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[21:18:35] Widget: 'lo
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[21:18:39] trend: hello
[21:19:02] Widget: can I redefine a user job without quitting the backend and running mythtv-setup?
[21:19:54] trend: can someone point me to how I can find info on my tv tuner card? i thought I had a pvr-250.. but dmesg and lspci do not say anything about it
[21:20:14] Widget: trend: what do they say?
[21:20:50] trend: i do not see any tuner card :/
[21:20:59] trend: i know it worked before.. i just reinstalled fedora
[21:21:12] mikeones: Widget: you can do that in mythweb.
[21:21:22] Widget: mikeones: bargain
[21:21:44] mkrufky: trend: if `dmesg|grep ivtv` returns nothing, then you do not have the driver installed
[21:22:07] mkrufky: trend: most likely, you'll have to install the ivtv driver for your pvr-250
[21:22:23] trend: it returns nothing
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[21:22:28] trend: oh
[21:22:32] ** mkrufky rests his case **
[21:23:00] Der_Thomas: Hello, is anyone around that can help me out with a mythweather-revamp compile prob?
[21:23:12] trend: i just installed fc7.. i cannot believe it doesn't come avail w/ that
[21:23:25] mkrufky: f7 uses which stock kernel?
[21:23:37] laga: Der_Thomas: just *ask*
[21:24:16] Der_Thomas: OK, well I'm running openSuSE 10.2 and have had myth 0.20 installed for a while
[21:24:27] Der_Thomas: I'm finally getting around to fixing mythweather
[21:25:12] Der_Thomas: I'm following the directions listed in the wiki: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_my . . . trunk_mythtv
[21:25:30] Der_Thomas: but my make bombs out with the following errors:
[21:25:51] mkrufky: trend: we didnt add ivtv to the mainline kernel until 2.6.22
[21:26:13] Der_Thomas: http://pastebin.ca/589215
[21:26:13] trend: 2.6.21–1.3194.fc7
[21:26:14] mkrufky: trend: so, no distro is likely to have it in the default installation, besides ubuntu, probably
[21:26:15] trend: hah.. crap
[21:26:30] mkrufky: trend: 2.6.22 has not yet been released officially
[21:26:42] mkrufky: trend: you must either a) install the fedora ivtv package
[21:26:54] mkrufky: trend: or b) install the v4l-dvb tree from linuxtv.org
[21:27:03] mkrufky: trend: a) is easier
[21:27:38] Der_Thomas: anyone have an idea? I'm guessing that I'm missing some dep, but I con't figure out what...
[21:27:39] trend: oh ok.. how can I do (A)? i just tried yum search ivtv, and didn't see it
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[21:28:13] mkrufky: trend: i recommend that you google for "myth(tv)ology" and follow the first link
[21:29:23] mkrufky: trend: if you want to do option b) , then follow the 'repo howto' instructions for 'v4l-dvb' on http://linuxtv.org/repo , but if you go this route, then you will install the driver without any package management — ie, when you upgrade your kernel, you'll have to install the ivtv driver again
[21:29:33] trend: i need atrpms ?
[21:29:40] mkrufky: OR you can use atrpms
[21:29:45] trend: i believe i set that up last time i setup fedora
[21:29:58] trend: cool, thanks
[21:29:58] mkrufky: ...wait, you can use mythtv on f7 without atrpms?!?
[21:30:09] Widget: Just to check, nuvexport -infile %DIR%/%FILE% --mode mp3 will make an mp3 of a (radio) recording, right?
[21:30:42] laga: Widget: dunno, but juski also made an userjob that'll turn a radio recording into a mp3, AFAIK
[21:31:20] Widget: that's worth knowing
[21:31:28] Widget: juski: any comment? :)
[21:31:44] trend: cool.. setting up atrpms now.. totally forgot about this!
[21:31:55] mkrufky: good luck, trend
[21:32:05] mkrufky: i gotta go.... c u all l8r
[21:32:20] Widget: mkrufky: bye
[21:32:34] mkrufky: bye
[21:32:47] Widget: i mean, my plan is to just take the dvb feed I get of radio one here already and turn it into an mp3 – virtually what transcode does already
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[21:33:46] trend: ok . I just yum install ivtv and that finisheds fine.. now I: dmesg|grep ivtv and still get no response
[21:33:50] trend: do i need to reboot?
[21:33:57] briand: no
[21:34:01] briand: you need to use it.
[21:34:24] briand: all you've done, thus far, is download it and install it on the machine. you're not (yet) running it.
[21:34:36] trend: ahh, ok
[21:37:47] trend: [root@mindstorm Desktop]# modprobe ivtv
[21:37:47] trend: FATAL: Module ivtv not found.
[21:39:27] Widget: ttyl
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[21:42:39] Commander-Ape: hi. is there a way to bind my remote to a certain script? or a shutdown command?
[21:42:57] juski: somebody holler?
[21:43:04] Commander-Ape: i am not using lirc
[21:43:09] juski: bah they're gone. nm then
[21:44:00] hiredgoon: anyone know how to completly remove mythweather so it doesn't show up in mythweb anymore?
[21:44:04] hiredgoon: on ubuntu feisty....
[21:44:05] trend: i see: Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder from lspci
[21:44:20] hiredgoon: apt-get remove mythweather --purge didn't do it
[21:44:38] geoffeg: does mythweather actually work correctly for anyone?
[21:44:44] hiredgoon: nope
[21:45:16] juski: I wrestled with mythweather-revamp for a bit, but it really needs some TLC
[21:45:55] juski: some kind soul needs to take pity on those of us who aren't blessed with coding nouse & fix it all up good :) We can thank them with beer
[21:46:06] hiredgoon: that seems to be the prevailing opinion out there right now
[21:46:25] juski: thank them we must :)
[21:46:59] hiredgoon: indeed
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[22:05:34] wireddd: I wish it wasn't so hard to cancel the current recording
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[22:07:07] wireddd: instead of giving you that, all cards are currently in use message, it should have a list of what each card is recording and let you cancel it
[22:07:29] wireddd: or watch it
[22:08:07] Kevorkian: so you really want .. to remove the "watch tv" option .. and go direct to the watch recorded shows option ..
[22:08:27] wireddd: no
[22:08:37] wireddd: I want to watch live tv
[22:08:50] wireddd: I don't care that it is recording something
[22:09:44] wireddd: it is the only thing that really bothers me
[22:09:51] Kevorkian: what live tv do you want to watch ?
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[22:10:14] Kevorkian: from which backend , from which tuner
[22:10:39] wireddd: Kevorkian: thats why it needs a list
[22:11:00] Kevorkian: that list is there .. in the recorded show section
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[22:12:30] dotCOMmie: Hello, is there away for mythtv to detect of the cable box is off? IE if no signal on tuner card then send on signal to cable box over lirc?
[22:14:41] Kevorkian: sounds like dotCOMmie has the same problem I have ..
[22:14:58] Kevorkian: Opti likes to 'update' and reboot the box every so often
[22:16:25] wireddd: Kevorkian: yeah, but when all the tuners are in use ( I only have 1) why should have I to navigate through a bunch of menus to cancel a recording when the warning msg could just have a list of shows being recorded and an option to cancel one of them
[22:17:19] wireddd: I guess I just need to make a patch for it
[22:17:23] wireddd: :(
[22:17:23] Dagmar: dotCOMmie: Nope
[22:18:26] Kevorkian: well .. it wouldnt be a "list" cause you only have one .. "what if" ON watch_tv if avable_tuners = 0 then goto recorded_programs
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[22:20:26] Dagmar: It already kinda does that
[22:20:41] Dagmar: Babbles about all available tuners being in use
[22:21:07] Kevorkian: yea .. but then it just stops
[22:21:20] Kevorkian: wired wants it to let him cancle right from there
[22:21:30] wireddd: exactly
[22:21:35] Kevorkian: no real reason why there should be 4 more buttons to press ..
[22:21:45] Kevorkian: when that is kinda the natural thing ..
[22:22:20] Kevorkian: has there really been a time that you have seen that message "all tuners in use" that you have NOT ended up at the recorded programs screen next ?
[22:22:42] Dagmar: Yep
[22:24:24] Dagmar: I mean you *could* jump straight to the recorded programs menu, but without a dialog box saying *why* this happened, people will report it as a bug
[22:25:10] Dagmar: ...and since people MIGHT decide to go into MythVideo, until all recorded media is handled under the same menu, jumping to recorded programs--even with an explanatory dialog box--is an unsafe assumption
[22:25:33] wireddd: it shouldn't be a jump, just add some more buttons to the error to give you options
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[22:25:53] Kevorkian: yea .. a button for back or recorded programs
[22:26:44] wireddd: I would put back, watch current recording, cancel current recording, goto recorded programs
[22:27:24] Kevorkian: thats fine for ONE tuner boxen ..
[22:27:40] Kevorkian: but .. there really isnt a "current" recording
[22:27:58] wireddd: current recording options would go to a list of all of the tuners and what they are doing
[22:28:18] wireddd: all tuners on all backends
[22:28:44] Kevorkian: and that menu tree would be diffrent then "recorded programs" how ?
[22:29:37] wireddd: so what happens when you cancel a recording in recorded programs
[22:29:58] Kevorkian: it stops recording
[22:30:14] Kevorkian: oh .. you want it to bring you right back to "live" tv ??
[22:30:20] wireddd: yeah
[22:30:47] Dagmar: I don't think there's any way to make that assumption safe
[22:31:09] Kevorkian: an option "cancle and watch tuner" option
[22:31:33] wireddd: sit down to watch live tv -> goto watch live tv -> all tuners busy -> select tuner recording "some show I don't care about" -> watching live tv
[22:31:56] Dagmar: So what about multi-frontend setups
[22:32:08] wireddd: what about them?
[22:32:08] Dagmar: If someone is watching something on a different frontend you'll kill their show
[22:32:29] Kevorkian: or .. sit down to watch live tv .. click watch live tv .. all tuners busy .. select direct tuner input to tv .. watch tv
[22:32:45] Dagmar: ...because there is no even close to simple way I can think of to tell if someone is watching a program on another frontend
[22:32:55] Kevorkian: wireddds logic works GREAT for a single backend .. single front end .. single tuner machne ..
[22:33:03] Kevorkian: but it breaks once you go to more
[22:33:08] Dagmar: Yeah, but breaking multi-frontend functionality would be bad
[22:33:29] wireddd: Dagmar: hmm I had assumed there was a way to check if someone else was watching something
[22:33:47] wireddd: I guess that would have to be added as well
[22:34:15] Kevorkian: yea .. there is ..
[22:34:23] Kevorkian: listen to your wife scream and throw things at you
[22:34:30] Dagmar: heheh
[22:34:40] Dagmar: "flying cookware popup"
[22:34:52] Dagmar: "screaming harridan audio notification"
[22:35:56] wireddd: I guess the easiest solution would to just get 10 tuners
[22:36:04] wireddd: *would be
[22:36:38] Kevorkian: or buy a tivo
[22:36:51] wireddd: I have a tivo already
[22:36:59] Kevorkian: well .. see .. your spoiled
[22:37:07] Kevorkian: a tivo has a "live tv" button
[22:37:09] Dagmar: Nah a pair of PVR-500's should do it
[22:40:12] wireddd: well I have a second pvr 150 that I will probably put into my mythtv box, I just haven't yet
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[22:50:31] crweb: with ivtv-tune how do i put my card in Composite mode?
[22:50:39] juski: you don't
[22:50:47] juski: you'd use v4l2ctl or ivtvctl
[22:50:57] sphery: dotCOMmie: Does there exist a discrete power function for your STB? If so, that's your best bet.
[22:51:02] juski: see www.ivtvdriver.org
[22:51:11] crweb: juski: i've been reading, haven't beenable to find it
[22:51:30] dotCOMmie: sphery: not to my knowledge ):
[22:52:01] juski: crweb: if you use the v4l2ctl command or the ivtvctl command on their own, they print out the usage info. it's amazing!
[22:52:17] crweb: juski: with no details about s-video or composite. also amazing
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[22:52:52] Dagmar: It is important, while reading, to remember to try to actually understand what you're reading
[22:52:57] sphery: dotCOMmie: It may be worth checking some of the remote sites if you're using LIRC. Often there's a Pronto code for it available and it "just" requires converting to LIRC codes. If you're using firewire, I can't help.
[22:53:03] juski: e.g. v4l2ctl -p, --set-input=<num> set the current video input to <num> [VIDIOC_S_INPUT]
[22:53:29] crweb: juski: that one doesn't come up in my help
[22:53:30] Dagmar: This is a little like looking at the instructions for your DVD player and sating "But it doesn't say how to make my Pokemon Adventures Vol III DVD play"
[22:53:38] Dagmar: s/sating/saying/;
[22:53:39] juski: where v4l2ctl -n will list the available inputs
[22:53:43] sphery: dotCOMmie: Although I can say that you could use firewire for channel changes /and/ use LIRC for the discrete power on...
[22:53:43] crweb: juski: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Ivtvctl_new nor is it here
[22:54:04] juski: if I find it right away I'll slap you
[22:54:06] dotCOMmie: sphery: this is a pure LIRC setup.. uses svideo for capturing
[22:54:16] sphery: what STB?
[22:54:17] crweb: juski: please do
[22:54:20] dotCOMmie: sphery: you mean something like a on only function?
[22:54:24] sphery: yep
[22:54:31] dotCOMmie: sphery: Scientific atlanta something
[22:54:41] dotCOMmie: let me look up the exact name
[22:54:49] juski: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Ivtvctl
[22:54:59] juski: and http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/V4l2-ctl
[22:55:16] crweb: ok so --set-input moved to v4l2-ctl
[22:55:19] crweb: thx
[22:55:27] dotCOMmie: sphery: scientific atlanta explorer 4200
[22:55:41] sphery: Don't know of any for those off the top of my head, but I've never actually looked (I don't use cable). I would be /very/ surprised if the box doesn't have some (probably unpublished) discrete on code.
[22:56:05] dotCOMmie: sphery: how'd I go about finding it?
[22:56:16] dotCOMmie: typing the power code to google?
[22:57:09] sphery: I'm using: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2B% . . . ;btnG=Search
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[23:03:15] sphery: dotCOMmie: http://mine.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/mboard/ . . . orer|atlanta
[23:04:08] Toast: Hi All, Does anyone know a command which can give a continous reading of DVB-T signal level and quality? I have a new aerial to allign.
[23:04:35] sphery: Says to set "On" to "Power & Numeric" in the menus so that pressing a number turns it on. Then, use LIRC to send "0-Exit" for on, then the channel change command.
[23:05:10] dotCOMmie: sphery: many thanks
[23:05:16] sphery: Also implies that there are discrete codes (which smokinghot claims to have e-mailed to the OP, but helpfully didn't post)...
[23:05:38] sphery: You may want to create an account and post a query on the discrete codes forum...
[23:06:31] sphery: Or post a follow up on that specific thread...
[23:06:56] dotCOMmie: I'll try the 0+power option first
[23:07:00] sphery: Cool.
[23:07:02] sphery: good luck
[23:07:57] sphery: If you get the codes from that forum, they will probably be Pronto codes.
[23:08:13] sphery: There are programs to do the conversion, but IIRC, all of them are windows based...
[23:08:31] juski: Toast: you'd be after tzap
[23:09:31] dotCOMmie: sphery: the power & numeric options is sufficient.. I was only worried about having the box being on when channels are switched.. now when myth changes channels its automatically on
[23:09:53] Toast: juski: Thanks, I'll look it up.
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[23:36:43] cal: trying to get a hauppage 950 usb hdtv card working under myth.. found an install for ubuntu, but i am running knoppmyth. its having me do an 'hg clone' ... but my system says cannot find 'hg'.
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[23:39:17] jimbalaya: is the recording location (default /var/lib/mythtv ... i think) set in mythtv-setup?
[23:39:38] juski: yup
[23:39:46] juski: in the general page
[23:40:11] jimbalaya: i should probably be able to re-set that, then copy everything from the old location over, and be all set ... right?
[23:41:05] juski: yes I think so
[23:41:56] jimbalaya: i guess, if everything goes wrong, i'll just move it back to the default and mount the drive there instead
[23:42:08] jimbalaya: ...can't imagine it freaking out, though
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[23:48:43] Staticwave_Ace: does anyone have ALSA setup as the standard mythtv output?
[23:48:51] HrdwrBoB: yes
[23:48:53] HrdwrBoB: I think so
[23:49:04] Staticwave_Ace: I understand the output field
[23:49:14] Staticwave_Ace: but I don't understand what to set in the two mixer fields
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[23:51:58] Staticwave_Ace: HrdwrBoB: how do you have yours setup?
[23:52:12] HrdwrBoB: er
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[23:52:15] HrdwrBoB: the defaults :)
[23:53:00] Staticwave_Ace: ah
[23:53:07] Staticwave_Ace: it appears I've figured it out
[23:54:53] Staticwave_Ace: hrmm
[23:54:56] Staticwave_Ace: thats silly
[23:55:27] Staticwave_Ace: there's a "set master to n" and "set PCM to n" but there's no option to set the *actual* mixer level, if I define an alternate mixer
[23:55:56] clever: jimbalaya: are you using svn mythtv or 0.20?
[23:56:13] jimbalaya: .20
[23:56:16] clever: ahh
[23:56:24] jimbalaya: whatever ships w/ debian
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[23:56:27] clever: in the latest svn theres a new feature called storage directorys
[23:56:35] jimbalaya: cool, more than one?
[23:56:39] clever: so you can have it store videos in multiple directories
[23:56:52] clever: when its working right it will find which dir the file is in
[23:57:05] clever: and i think write to the first non used one
[23:57:12] clever: so if its recording to a
[23:57:18] clever: the second tuner would go to b
[23:57:34] clever: which in theory could improve performance if they where seperate psysical drives
[23:57:41] Dagmar: It's not that smart
[23:57:49] clever: i thought i read that somewhere
[23:57:53] clever: when i used it
[23:58:02] clever: the dumb thing kept recording to a when it had 0 bytes free
[23:58:07] clever: while b had 20gig free
[23:58:13] Dagmar: Like I said, it's not that smart
[23:58:26] Dagmar: It's mainly meant for people who are terrified to span volumes to use
[23:58:37] kormoc: storage dirs only allow you to move (by hand) recordings around and it'll find them
[23:58:48] clever: ahhhh
[23:58:51] kormoc: one day it'll be smarter, but it's not now
[23:58:58] clever: so it wont automaticaly pick a one with free space
[23:59:16] clever: so you could leave the new drive as the top and put the old as a second directory
[23:59:29] clever: then just wait till you delete the old stuff slowly

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