| Friday, June 22nd, 2007, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:07] | sphery: | I know some are quilt experts and some are SVN experts |
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| [00:00:25] | cal: | why doesnt mythtv just switch me to my 2nd tuner instead of warning me that a recording will start in so many seconds? |
| [00:00:40] | juski: | I know enough svn to get by for now |
| [00:00:47] | sphery: | Yeah. You're definitely vying for over-achiever award. |
| [00:01:06] | juski: | definitely going for the 'artistic temperament' award ffs |
| [00:01:33] | juski: | I don't enjoy being so damn cranky ya know, and I'm not really like that offline |
| [00:01:35] | sphery: | cal: turn on "Avoid conflicts between live TV and scheduled shows." |
| [00:02:12] | sphery: | well, at least your doing work that qualifies you to have an artistic temperament. :) |
| [00:02:21] | Dibblah: | Caliban: This is a 3 minute game, starting from the time you enter the 'setup' menu... |
| [00:02:32] | Dibblah: | Caliban: even. |
| [00:02:37] | juski: | just wait til I finish my appearance plugin (if I ever do) |
| [00:02:39] | Dibblah: | cal: even. |
| [00:02:52] | Dibblah: | Can this autocomplete get any more annoying? :) |
| [00:02:55] | cal: | sphery: well, also, while i am on my 2nd tuner, when i pull up the guide while watching live tv it doesnt pull up at the channel i am currently on.. it opens with the first channel selected. so i was thinking there is something a bit wrong with my 2nd tuner. |
| [00:02:59] | sphery: | It sounds cool from what I've heard (read) you mention |
| [00:03:04] | juski: | remind me to save the source of that before I format the machine for LRL |
| [00:03:25] | cal: | dibblah: not sure what you mean |
| [00:03:27] | sphery: | that would be bad to lose in a format |
| [00:03:33] | juski: | sphery: in theory it's pretty easy. in practice I've not done mcuh coding |
| [00:03:56] | ** Dibblah was just referring to the difficulty of finding certain settings. ** | |
| [00:03:59] | cal: | sphery/dibblah: i mean.. i *want* the message to come up to warn me, but only if the other tuner is already recording too. then it would have to prompt me to make a choice. |
| [00:04:04] | sphery: | cal: Usually that's caused by a misconfiguration in input connections. |
| [00:04:23] | sphery: | cal: if you use "Avoid conflicts" that's what will happen. |
| [00:04:36] | cal: | awsome |
| [00:04:56] | juski: | 1. launch plugin. 2. draw some stuff onscreen. 3. pull the X&Y size & position data from the db 4. press arrow keys & position an arrow to the top left of your TV. press select & position the other arrow to the bottom right. press Menu & select the 'save' option which will store the new settings. restart mythfrontend. |
| [00:05:02] | sphery: | Are both of your capture cards (in the PVR-500) recording the same stuff--i.e. OTA or cable or whatever |
| [00:05:53] | juski: | easy peasy,see! it's only a plugin for the time being.. i didn't wanna feck about with the setup menu code – somebody can help me integrate it if it ever comes to that |
| [00:05:54] | sphery: | Anyway, cal, the best way to fix it is probably: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [00:06:32] | sphery: | Just make sure you create the new input connections right (i.e. you probably should have only one video source and it should be connected to only one input on each "tuner" of your 500) |
| [00:07:08] | sphery: | juski: cool. |
| [00:07:37] | juski: | what I really wanna acheive here is be a good example – a guy who wanted a feature he went off & made it – and show that people supported me & didn't laugh when I was trying to call functions from the destructor (again) lol |
| [00:07:46] | sphery: | That would help a lot of people (and might allow people to complete mythtv-setup without whining that some of the stuff is cut off) |
| [00:08:24] | juski: | oh yeah my other pet-hate is on the to-do list too.. minimum 5% border for the setup buttons |
| [00:08:25] | sphery: | That can be fun. After all, it is a destructor, so why not destroy the running app... :) |
| [00:08:35] | juski: | eureka! |
| [00:08:45] | sphery: | Wow. You're actually going to dig into the UI for mythtv-setup... |
| [00:08:48] | sphery: | That's a big project. |
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| [00:09:27] | sphery: | I feel sorry for the SoC student who tried to do the setup simplification project... He was doomed from the beginning. |
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| [00:10:19] | juski: | sphery: not really hard to do from what I've seen of the code. the start to every part gets the screen dimensions & puts them into variables – all you need do is compensate them accordingly I think |
| [00:10:20] | sphery: | People complain that Myth setup is too complex, but when you mention that you're removing a setup option, they all come out of the woodwork saying why it's so necessary to them (often without understanding that it's not necessary--and in many cases ignored--even for them). |
| [00:10:49] | cal: | sphery: i already have that turned on! |
| [00:11:10] | sphery: | Just a lot of stuff to fit on an NTSC TV (PAL might be better because of the higher res, but not much better). |
| [00:11:34] | juski: | as a theme guy I'd probably go for changing the OSD theme stuff first – put it in the appearance section |
| [00:11:38] | cal: | sphery: the system is acting like i dont even have a 2nd tuner i think.. (but it works if i switch to it manually by using 'y') |
| [00:12:06] | juski: | cal: sounds to me like no video source is bound to the 2nd tuner |
| [00:12:34] | sphery: | cal: what juski said |
| [00:12:51] | sphery: | again, I highly recommend: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [00:13:02] | juski: | stop mythbackend, go into mythtv-setup & check in 'input connections' |
| [00:13:07] | cal: | juski: then why does it work if i switch to it manually with 'y'? |
| [00:13:21] | sphery: | clear out everything before you start fixing it... Some of the stuff in the DB might mess things up even after you "fix" it. |
| [00:13:46] | sphery: | cal: Y switches cards no problem on a 1-card system. |
| [00:13:50] | sphery: | From card 0 to card 0 |
| [00:13:51] | sphery: | :) |
| [00:14:17] | sphery: | And, 06.21 20:04:04 < sphery> cal: Usually that's caused by a misconfiguration in input connections. |
| [00:14:21] | sphery: | :) |
| [00:14:43] | cal: | um if i go back to livetv i can watch it on tuner 2 while tuner1 is recording another channel |
| [00:14:51] | cal: | so i know it see's the tuner |
| [00:15:06] | sphery: | LiveTV can work without proper input connections. |
| [00:15:11] | cal: | ok |
| [00:15:14] | sphery: | Can you record 2 scheduled recordings at the same time? |
| [00:15:19] | sphery: | That's the litmus test |
| [00:15:46] | sphery: | But still, I recommend clearing your input connections and starting over as in the post I linked above. |
| [00:15:49] | juski: | anyway in other news it looks like I might have to appear in court to give evidence in a manslaughter case |
| [00:15:58] | sphery: | (Best to do this after your recording finishes, though :) |
| [00:16:08] | sphery: | Woah. |
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| [00:16:33] | sphery: | Good luck with that and I hope everything goes OK. |
| [00:16:39] | cal: | [MPEG:/dev/video0](Tuner1) -> Video1 ... [MPEG:/dev/vide01](Tuner1) -> video2 |
| [00:16:46] | cal: | those look okay to me.... ? |
| [00:16:55] | juski: | that particular bit of bad news comes from me simply doing a forensic clone of a hdd from a cctv dvr which was in a factory fire (arson) where some guy got killed |
| [00:17:02] | sphery: | should be just one video source |
| [00:17:05] | sphery: | looks like 2 to me |
| [00:17:20] | sphery: | (Unless you actually have 2 different sources of TV) |
| [00:17:26] | cal: | huh? |
| [00:17:50] | sphery: | 06.21 20:05:02 < sphery> Are both of your capture cards (in the PVR-500) recording the same stuff--i.e. OTA or cable or whatever |
| [00:17:54] | cal: | /dev/video0 is one source... /dev/video1 is the other |
| [00:17:56] | juski: | yeah that looks like 2 sources |
| [00:18:07] | sphery: | No, those are capture cards |
| [00:18:13] | sphery: | /dev/video0 is a capture card |
| [00:18:14] | cal: | right... 2 sources |
| [00:18:18] | sphery: | S-Video 0 is an input |
| [00:18:21] | cal: | 2 tuners |
| [00:18:22] | juski: | ah here we go.. when we say 'VIDEO SOURCES' we actually refer to what mythtv calls a 'video source' |
| [00:18:26] | sphery: | A video source is something you define in Video Sources |
| [00:18:38] | juski: | which isn't a source of a video signal at all – it's a source of EPG data! |
| [00:18:38] | cal: | this is a bit confusing =) |
| [00:18:44] | sphery: | What's connected to your cards? |
| [00:18:49] | sphery: | cable TV? |
| [00:18:53] | cal: | yeah |
| [00:18:56] | sphery: | to both? |
| [00:19:05] | juski: | don't worry I'm still intending to fight to have that changed from 'video source' to 'EPG data source' |
| [00:19:06] | Dibblah: | Wasn't it left like that to make it easier for theme designers, or something? ;) |
| [00:19:09] | cal: | cable tv to a pvr-500 ... it splits the signal within the card itself |
| [00:19:18] | sphery: | Perfect. |
| [00:19:29] | sphery: | OK, are you in mythtv-setup, now? |
| [00:19:32] | cal: | yeah |
| [00:19:37] | juski: | Dibblah: I was told it couldn't be changed because of translations.. |
| [00:19:40] | sphery: | Are you recording, now? |
| [00:19:49] | Dibblah: | Juski: Don't bother. There is no EPG source in the future, remember ;) |
| [00:19:52] | cal: | i think so but i can cancel it |
| [00:19:55] | juski: | and now there's er.. history |
| [00:20:03] | juski: | Dibblah: cruel. funny, but cruel |
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| [00:20:09] | sphery: | cal: I can give you the info you need now and you can try to work through it later |
| [00:20:24] | sphery: | cal: or we can actually do it now if you don't mind shutting off the backend. |
| [00:20:33] | cal: | i have a feeling i will understand once i see the setup |
| [00:20:45] | cal: | but at the moment i dont understand why two devices would go to 1 source |
| [00:20:46] | sphery: | So, for now, leave the backend running. |
| [00:21:06] | sphery: | First step, let's go (in mythtv-setup) to Video Sources. |
| [00:21:23] | cal: | okay i have a Video1 and a Video2 |
| [00:21:30] | sphery: | OK. That's the problem. |
| [00:21:34] | sphery: | You should only have one source. |
| [00:21:42] | sphery: | The source is basically the "source" of your listings data. |
| [00:21:50] | cal: | okay.. i see |
| [00:22:04] | cal: | so if i had an antenna hooked up i would make THAT a second source |
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| [00:22:33] | sphery: | And, just like you have a splitter on your cable TV cable, you're going to "split" the video source to both cards. |
| [00:22:45] | cal: | got ya |
| [00:22:53] | cal: | so delete Video2? |
| [00:22:59] | sphery: | cal: Right. Since the antenna would likely have different channels from the cable TV, you'd need two sources. |
| [00:23:05] | sphery: | Don't delete now. |
| [00:23:18] | sphery: | We don't want to mess with this while the backend is recording (it could break the recording). |
| [00:23:37] | cal: | i could care less about what its currently recording |
| [00:23:40] | Dibblah: | sphery: It's just TV. I'd kill the backend, personally :) |
| [00:23:44] | sphery: | However, to ensure you clean out all the garbage that got in there when you created the second source, you'll need to use the "Delete all video sources" button. |
| [00:23:57] | cal: | oh boy |
| [00:23:58] | sphery: | If that's the case, go ahead and shut down the backend. |
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| [00:24:27] | sphery: | Once you understand how this works, Delete all video sources -> working configuration takes less than 2 minutes. |
| [00:24:39] | Dibblah: | ... With DD. |
| [00:24:46] | cal: | i hope this doesnt mess up the stuff i already have recorded, or my channel lineup |
| [00:24:48] | sphery: | So, it's not a big deal (and is the best way to change video source/input connection/channel configuration). |
| [00:24:54] | Dibblah: | With xmltv it's slightly more involved. |
| [00:24:54] | sphery: | Nope. It won't. |
| [00:25:07] | cal: | okay backend is down |
| [00:25:08] | sphery: | Dibblah: true... |
| [00:25:11] | cal: | delete video2 now? |
| [00:25:14] | sphery: | Nope. |
| [00:25:15] | cal: | or delete all? |
| [00:25:17] | sphery: | Delete all video sources |
| [00:25:22] | cal: | k |
| [00:25:28] | sphery: | Yeah. Otherwise you're leaving garbage that will mess things up later. |
| [00:25:32] | Dibblah: | As many people are shortly going to find out. Mwa ha ha ha. |
| [00:25:32] | sphery: | So that's done? |
| [00:25:36] | cal: | yup |
| [00:25:42] | sphery: | Dibblah is evil |
| [00:25:50] | sphery: | OK, now create a new video source. |
| [00:25:56] | sphery: | You can use any name you want. |
| [00:26:06] | sphery: | Since it's your cable TV source, I'd use something like "cable" |
| [00:26:21] | sphery: | (I used "DISH Orlando" for my DISH. I use "OTA" for my OTA. |
| [00:26:23] | juski: | I thought I was evil.. oh man I have a lot to learn |
| [00:26:39] | cal: | great, i have to redo my listings it looks like |
| [00:26:48] | sphery: | They'll get pulled in. |
| [00:26:49] | Dibblah: | Nah, you're sufficiently evil. |
| [00:26:59] | cal: | those were a pain to fix because not all my icons were there |
| [00:27:07] | sphery: | In the video source you have to specify datadirect, username, password |
| [00:28:02] | sphery: | Then Retrieve Lineups |
| [00:28:16] | sphery: | Then select the lineup you created for DataDirect |
| [00:28:28] | sphery: | Don't check "Perform EIT scan" |
| [00:28:32] | cal: | done |
| [00:28:37] | sphery: | And set channel freq table to default. |
| [00:28:50] | cal: | k |
| [00:28:58] | sphery: | OK, make sure you save it with finish (i.e. not escape) |
| [00:29:14] | sphery: | Then escape out of video sources to the main menu |
| [00:29:27] | cal: | done |
| [00:29:28] | sphery: | Next, go to Input Connections |
| [00:29:53] | cal: | they all point to (none) now |
| [00:29:57] | sphery: | Cool. |
| [00:30:06] | sphery: | Now we need to point the right one to the new video source |
| [00:30:13] | sphery: | (i.e. Tuner 0 or whatever) |
| [00:30:39] | cal: | i have /dev/video0 (Tuner 1) and /dev/video1 (Tuner1) |
| [00:30:58] | sphery: | (At this point I'm operating blind because I don't have any analog (V4L) capture cards, so you may have to read between my words...) |
| [00:31:03] | sphery: | Perfect. |
| [00:31:07] | cal: | point both to the new source? |
| [00:31:12] | sphery: | Yep. |
| [00:31:56] | cal: | Fetch Channels from listings source? |
| [00:31:56] | sphery: | And, I think if you select the input after assigning it, it takes you to a page where you have a button that says something like, "Fetch channels from listings provider" |
| [00:32:00] | sphery: | Yep. |
| [00:32:09] | cal: | hmm... Input priority |
| [00:32:10] | sphery: | Should pull in all your channels. |
| [00:32:13] | cal: | wonder if i want that |
| [00:32:17] | sphery: | Probably now. |
| [00:32:23] | sphery: | s/now/not |
| [00:32:28] | sphery: | affects scheduling, not livetv |
| [00:32:43] | sphery: | Once we've done this the Avoid conflicts will do what you want. |
| [00:32:54] | sphery: | So, does it have your channels? |
| [00:33:15] | midav: | when I configure mythtv under OSX under video support I get no for everything, so when it compiles nothing is displayed... at least one thing must be there right? |
| [00:33:29] | midav: | then again it's hard coded into configure to disable x11 under darwin |
| [00:34:03] | sphery: | I know nothing of Mac OS. |
| [00:34:22] | Kevorkian: | midav, is there a reason you dont want to use the precompiled binarys ? |
| [00:34:35] | midav: | i'm running latest trunk on backend |
| [00:34:46] | midav: | and precompiled stuff will not connect |
| [00:34:47] | Kevorkian: | ahhhh .. |
| [00:35:05] | Kevorkian: | protocol change in .21 ? |
| [00:35:12] | midav: | yep |
| [00:35:19] | ** Kevorkian smacks the devs ** | |
| [00:35:31] | midav: | and precompiled stuff is ancient too |
| [00:35:40] | ** sphery thanks the devs for new features ** | |
| [00:38:29] | cal: | sphery: all my channels are gone :( .. running mythfilldatabase. |
| [00:38:36] | ben_goodger: | I'm setting up a box for my father in the next few days |
| [00:38:42] | ben_goodger: | am I going to be reduced to tears? |
| [00:38:51] | sphery: | cal: channels gone or listings gone? |
| [00:38:54] | midav: | i'm going crazy this crap for osx never compiles |
| [00:39:01] | cal: | listings |
| [00:39:03] | sphery: | channels should be there now, but you'll need to run mfdb to get listings data |
| [00:39:05] | midav: | i spent so much time on it and it won't work |
| [00:39:25] | cal: | will i need to reschedule all my future recordings? |
| [00:39:29] | midav: | and my goal was to port it over to Apple TV so that it can be used as a nice standalone frontend |
| [00:39:30] | sphery: | nope |
| [00:39:34] | cal: | k thats good |
| [00:39:40] | sphery: | cal: All the recordings will work. |
| [00:39:51] | Kevorkian: | ben_goodger, be nice to daddy .. but him a tivo |
| [00:39:53] | cal: | i lost my channel icons i hope mythfill puts them back |
| [00:39:54] | ** Kevorkian ducks ** | |
| [00:40:12] | ben_goodger: | Kevorkian: besides the gross immorality of such an act, they're not available in this country |
| [00:40:14] | sphery: | Only way they wouldn't is if you used "this channel" recording rules and you changed the channel callsigns. (But you should probably use "any channel" rules, anyway.) |
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| [00:40:36] | cal: | ok.. |
| [00:40:39] | ** Kevorkian hands ben_goodger a knoppmyth cd ** | |
| [00:40:46] | sphery: | cal: You'll need to put the icons back. They're still on disk, but the new channels in the DB don't know where. |
| [00:40:48] | juski: | ben_goodger: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Complete-Boxed-Graded-T . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [00:40:58] | ben_goodger: | Kevorkian: I'm planning on doing that |
| [00:41:05] | sphery: | cal: You can either edit the DB (make a backup and all that) or just re-run the script to get the icons. |
| [00:41:28] | Kevorkian: | as long has your hardware is supported ben .. no tears at all |
| [00:41:38] | sphery: | If you use the script, it will re-download them, but if you were using the defaults, it save your editing the DB directly. |
| [00:41:53] | ben_goodger: | juski: meh |
| [00:42:13] | Kevorkian: | and .. remember .. no matter how nice and shiney that ATI video card is .. DO NOT BUY IT |
| [00:42:23] | cal: | woo.. icons are back |
| [00:42:38] | sphery: | and TV works? |
| [00:42:57] | cal: | yup! thanks for your help, obviously i was a bit confused |
| [00:43:07] | sphery: | welcome |
| [00:43:16] | sphery: | It's a lot to get your head around when you're just starting out. |
| [00:43:32] | sphery: | Glad it works. And, with that, I'm off to get a (very late) dinner. |
| [00:43:34] | cal: | yeah its cause it was made to be so versatle |
| [00:43:38] | cal: | (which is good) |
| [00:43:43] | sphery: | Yep. |
| [00:44:02] | sphery: | Also serves as a test... Only the truly worthy (and dedicated) can use Myth. |
| [00:44:16] | sphery: | (or stubborn, in my case) |
| [00:44:17] | cal: | i will prolly put an hd tuner in it (even though i can only get 2 hd channels) |
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| [00:44:30] | sphery: | I get 30 OTA HDTV channels. |
| [00:44:42] | Kevorkian: | 2hd chans ?? |
| [00:44:45] | Kevorkian: | where do you live ? |
| [00:44:45] | sphery: | (granted, some are subchannels and only 7 are worth watching, but still it's cool) |
| [00:44:49] | cal: | unless i decide to get directTV... which prolly just plain sucks to use with mythtv...? |
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| [00:45:01] | sphery: | can't do HDTV with satellite and Myth. |
| [00:45:02] | Kevorkian: | why would it suck cal ? |
| [00:45:15] | cal: | kev: cause of what sphery just said lol |
| [00:45:16] | Kevorkian: | why not sphery ? |
| [00:45:36] | cal: | i mean... can mythtv control directtv's digital box? |
| [00:45:50] | sphery: | Kevorkian: no way to capture HDTV from it. |
| [00:45:52] | cal: | and get hd from it? |
| [00:45:55] | Kevorkian: | if it has a remote control .. myth CAN control it .. |
| [00:45:59] | Kevorkian: | ummm .. |
| [00:46:05] | Kevorkian: | ummmmmmmmmm .... |
| [00:46:16] | cal: | kev: that method is SO klunky IMO |
| [00:46:24] | Kevorkian: | your telling me that there is NO way to get a 1080 signal into a linux box ?? |
| [00:46:51] | ** Kevorkian points at any firewire port ** | |
| [00:46:57] | Kevorkian: | why would that not work ? |
| [00:47:00] | cal: | kev: i mean, dont you see 2 channel OSD's come up when changing channels... on top of each other...? |
| [00:47:09] | sphery: | So, you could control it with LIRC or serial and tune in an HDTV channel and output it from the STB to an S-Video input on a PVR-x50 and capture it as SDTV. |
| [00:47:30] | ** Kevorkian points at the FW port AGAIN ** | |
| [00:47:37] | Kevorkian: | why not just use that sphery |
| [00:47:47] | sphery: | Kevorkian: If the satellite STB's have firewire, it either only allows channel changing or encrypts all video output. |
| [00:48:05] | Kevorkian: | wow .. ummm .. ok if you say so |
| [00:48:16] | cal: | sphery: so how do you get your hdtv lineup? |
| [00:48:17] | sphery: | Only the cable STB's are required to have firewire ports (and enable them for customers). |
| [00:48:30] | sphery: | cal: 16 foot long antenna in my attic |
| [00:48:39] | cal: | haha |
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| [00:48:42] | bball_: | you can use DirecTV native with MythTV |
| [00:48:58] | cal: | i need one of those =) |
| [00:49:01] | sphery: | cal and the good fortune that all of the transmitters I'm trying to tune are within 5 degrees of each other from my house. |
| [00:49:21] | sphery: | So, I can position it in the middle and everything is in the 3 degree sweet spot. |
| [00:49:26] | cal: | what city are you in/ |
| [00:49:38] | bball_: | there is a kernel module to translate DirecTV propietary SI tables into DVB compliant SI tables |
| [00:49:54] | bball_: | and there are a few DVB-S cards that are capable of tuning DSS |
| [00:50:12] | sphery: | bball_: but it's all encrypted, so we can't play it back. |
| [00:50:20] | bball_: | with smartcard reader you can |
| [00:50:28] | sphery: | And before you say, "it's possible", it's not legal, so don't say it. |
| [00:50:28] | bball_: | with a valid sub card |
| [00:51:08] | bball_: | in fact its the only way I know.. using a valid sub card |
| [00:51:38] | Kevorkian: | sphery, http://www.zotzdigital.com/item.php?pid=1295&cid=457 |
| [00:52:07] | Kevorkian: | that will get your HD signal into the box |
| [00:52:20] | Kevorkian: | and not even have to plug in that pesky FW cable |
| [00:52:31] | sphery: | I doubt that it will work |
| [00:52:50] | sphery: | Your CPU can't encode HDTV in real time, so if it doesn't encode for you it won't work. |
| [00:52:52] | Kevorkian: | well .. at least we have gone from "it wont work" .. to "you doubt" |
| [00:53:03] | Kevorkian: | WTF are you talking about |
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| [00:53:11] | cal: | direcTV should sell digital cards for PCI slots =) =) |
| [00:53:18] | sphery: | If it does encode for you, you'd need drivers that support an appropriate API (DVB, probably) |
| [00:53:32] | Kazan: | why is my ATSC tuner recording in .nuv now.. it used to record in .mpg then i updated my version of .20-fixes |
| [00:53:57] | bball_: | cal: you can already buy such cards |
| [00:54:14] | sphery: | Kazan: HDTV or using the analog inputs of the card? |
| [00:55:06] | Kevorkian: | sphery, please explain what you think you mean when you say "encode" |
| [00:55:34] | sphery: | I mean encode to MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 from video frames |
| [00:55:55] | Kazan: | sphery: only tuning digital channels.. SDTV and HDTV shows |
| [00:55:56] | sphery: | I didn't read how that card works, but it's either a frame grabber or a hardware encoder. |
| [00:55:56] | Kevorkian: | why would there be an alouge to dig conversion ? |
| [00:56:06] | Kazan: | it's not encoding anything |
| [00:56:08] | sphery: | If it's hardware encoder, drivers are likely the only issue. |
| [00:56:13] | Kazan: | ATSC comes in in mpeg2 |
| [00:56:16] | sphery: | If it's a frame grabber, it has to do compression. |
| [00:56:19] | Kazan: | it's neither |
| [00:56:21] | Kazan: | it's an ATSC tuner |
| [00:56:35] | sphery: | Kazan: But if you're inputting Composite (analog), it's not MPEG-2 |
| [00:56:47] | Kazan: | well.. i'm not |
| [00:56:48] | Kevorkian: | whos talking composite ? |
| [00:57:03] | Kazan: | if i was using the analog inputs i wouldn't have had to ask that question |
| [00:57:08] | sphery: | sorry, component |
| [00:57:09] | Kazan: | it's recording .nuv's from ATSC input |
| [00:57:50] | Kazan: | and i want to know why |
| [00:58:04] | sphery: | Kazan: don't know, but if it is HDTV, the worst case is that it's just putting an ".nuv" extension on an MPEG file. |
| [00:58:06] | Kevorkian: | cause you broke it Kazan ?? |
| [00:58:46] | sphery: | Kevorkian: the point is, if you can find a legal way to get HDTV from a satellite box into a MythTV system, you'll be the first. |
| [00:59:05] | Kevorkian: | I woudl be the first ??? |
| [00:59:19] | Kevorkian: | now .. that I doubt |
| [00:59:29] | Kazan: | i wonder if mythrename.pl borked the filenames |
| [00:59:49] | bball_: | there is one free HD channel on Canadian Bell Exprees Vu provider |
| [00:59:55] | bball_: | a preview channel |
| [01:00:10] | Kazan: | i hate cable companies |
| [01:00:13] | Kazan: | they're buttheads |
| [01:00:18] | Kazan: | to use mild language :P |
| [01:00:36] | sphery: | Kevorkian: (And I'm considering things like the the Windows boxes with hacked STB's to be gray-areas (not necessarily legal), and too inefficient/too "bad" to be feasible) |
| [01:00:41] | TSCHAK: | Kevorkian, trust me, outside of the DVB-S community OUTSIDE the US....you would be. |
| [01:01:05] | sphery: | Seriously, Kevorkian, show me someone who has gotten DISH or DirecTV HDTV into a Myth box. |
| [01:01:24] | sphery: | Or, search the lists for all the "how do I", "you can't" threads. |
| [01:01:25] | bball_: | I know people who have gotten dish |
| [01:01:44] | TSCHAK: | bball_, care to substantiate? |
| [01:01:50] | sphery: | Kazan: that's the most likely situation. IMHO, mythrename should /only/ be used with the "--link" option. |
| [01:02:01] | sphery: | bball_: legally |
| [01:02:09] | bball_: | not legally |
| [01:02:21] | sphery: | because we don't discuss illegal stuff here, since it's a logged IRC channel |
| [01:02:22] | bball_: | none of the channels are in the clear |
| [01:02:29] | Kevorkian: | there are 37 billion ways to get a HD video signal into a computer .. how can it be SO hard to route that to myth ? |
| [01:02:34] | sphery: | And no one in here cares to break the law that way. |
| [01:02:43] | bball_: | the only legal HD channel I know of is from canada |
| [01:02:46] | sphery: | Kevorkian: You'll make a lot of friends once you get it working. |
| [01:02:48] | TSCHAK: | Kevorkian, again, you idiot... _ENCRYPTED_ |
| [01:03:01] | Kevorkian: | ITS NOT ENCRYPTED |
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| [01:03:17] | bball_: | kev: what is the source ? |
| [01:03:18] | ** Kevorkian points at these nice compotent cables .. ** | |
| [01:03:33] | sphery: | component = analog |
| [01:03:40] | TSCHAK: | Kevorkian, there isn't a solution that can reliably do that yet |
| [01:03:44] | sphery: | Who's going to encode to MPEG (i.e. compress) |
| [01:03:47] | TSCHAK: | although some clever fpga coder could do it |
| [01:03:49] | Kevorkian: | TSCHAK ????????? |
| [01:03:57] | sphery: | compression! |
| [01:04:05] | TSCHAK: | HD-SDI transcoding doesn't count |
| [01:04:13] | TSCHAK: | because of the sheer amount of glue which would be needed |
| [01:04:24] | TSCHAK: | trust me, I actually HAVE one of those cards for professional video work. |
| [01:04:31] | ** Kevorkian points at this shiney card http://www.zotzdigital.com/item.php?pid=1295&cid=457 ** | |
| [01:04:40] | TSCHAK: | again, I have that exact card. |
| [01:04:51] | Kevorkian: | ok .. its got mac drivers .. |
| [01:04:54] | bball_: | is that an MPEG encoder ? |
| [01:04:59] | TSCHAK: | bball_, no.; |
| [01:05:00] | Kevorkian: | why cant that stream be pointed at myth ? |
| [01:05:13] | ** sphery goes to get dinner (and anxiously awaits Kevorkian's "Eureka!" post to the list) ** | |
| [01:05:22] | TSCHAK: | Kevorkian, the hardware is non-disclosed |
| [01:05:24] | bball_: | hehe |
| [01:05:48] | Kevorkian: | im not talking about the hardware .. |
| [01:05:55] | bball_: | so what you want to do is input video from that card and play it with myth ? |
| [01:05:56] | Kevorkian: | the stream that the driver outputs .. |
| [01:05:58] | TSCHAK: | Kevorkian, and the stream it outputs, is meant for video editing |
| [01:06:17] | TSCHAK: | which means a ton of in-between work to make something palatable for mythtv. |
| [01:06:19] | Kazan: | sphery: yeah... windows doesn't understand symlinks though... and i'm accessing my storage via samba |
| [01:06:26] | Kevorkian: | 'ok .. but why cant that be pointed at myth ?? |
| [01:06:39] | bball_: | because its not MPEG stream |
| [01:06:42] | TSCHAK: | Kevorkian, COST PROHIBITIVE. |
| [01:06:46] | sphery: | Kazan: mount the share without Unix extensions enabled and they're dereferenced |
| [01:06:55] | TSCHAK: | Kevorkian, are you smart enough to know how much that card costs? |
| [01:06:59] | Kevorkian: | if final cut can deal with the strream .. why cant myth ? |
| [01:07:09] | Kevorkian: | at least 4 $'s |
| [01:07:19] | Kevorkian: | ive "seen" one |
| [01:07:26] | Kazan: | Kevorkian: do you know how much CPU it would require to encode HDTV in realtime.. that's why componant (or any other non-compressed HDTV input) cannot be used |
| [01:07:27] | Kevorkian: | never touched it .. |
| [01:07:34] | TSCHAK: | it's $6, with the needed I/O. |
| [01:07:52] | TSCHAK: | Kazan, now I DO believe that a well coded FPGA can handle it |
| [01:08:03] | TSCHAK: | Kazan, one of the bigger Xilinx chips could do it. |
| [01:08:13] | Kazan: | TSCHAK: probably... but it needs as much horsepower as a DX9C video card |
| [01:08:15] | Kevorkian: | Kazan, not as much as you think |
| [01:08:20] | bball_: | what format does that card enocde the video to ? |
| [01:09:02] | sphery: | Kevorkian: You do realize that 1080i60 would be 312GiB/hr at 12 bits/pixel |
| [01:09:10] | bball_: | you aren't going to be able to transcode it on the fly without specialized hardware so it would have to encode it in a format playable by myth |
| [01:09:19] | TSCHAK: | Kazan, the nice thing is, that the majority of the chip's function would be limited to colorspace conversion to YV12, and the resulting stream could be sent to another FPGA which could do the MPEG-2 encoding nicely. |
| [01:09:33] | Kazan: | HDTV mpeg2 9gb/hour.. HDTV uncompressed 1080i 32-bit color 834GB/hour (For JUST the video frames) |
| [01:09:44] | sphery: | So, /if/ you could keep up with the colorspace conversion (to allow 12bpp), you still need a /big/ HDD to record to since you can't buy a processor that can encode to MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 in real time for that size of frame. |
| [01:09:48] | Kazan: | TSCHAK: still the same amount of ned processing |
| [01:09:58] | Kazan: | 12bpp... oh... so it's even bigger :D |
| [01:10:08] | ** Kazan is used to dealing with RGBA all the time ** | |
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| [01:10:39] | sphery: | RGBA is 32bpp |
| [01:10:40] | Kazan: | so 1920*1080 (dims) *12 (YUV12) *30 (full frames per second in 1080i) * 3600 (Seconds in an hour) |
| [01:10:44] | sphery: | 12bpp is small |
| [01:10:53] | Kazan: | RGBA is 8bpp |
| [01:10:58] | Kazan: | or wait |
| [01:10:59] | Kazan: | lol |
| [01:11:02] | Kazan: | bits per PIXEL |
| [01:11:08] | Kazan: | not bits per channel |
| [01:11:26] | sphery: | yeah 8 bits per channel x 4 channels. :) |
| [01:11:28] | Kazan: | so YUV12 is 1.5bytes/pixel |
| [01:11:29] | TSCHAK: | Kazan, the only thing you need to do, is to be able to encode it fast enough.... you can use multiple chips to factor the colorspace and mpeg-2 conversion into multiple chunks..... it's more expensive, but still a LOT simpler than resorting to doing HD-SDI |
| [01:11:44] | Kazan: | HD-SDI? |
| [01:11:50] | ** Kazan is a game programmer.. not a video codec programmer ** | |
| [01:11:52] | sphery: | serial digital interface |
| [01:12:01] | TSCHAK: | Kazan, the card that Kevorkian pointed out above outputs HD-SDI. |
| [01:12:08] | ** Kazan has no idea what that is ** | |
| [01:12:08] | sphery: | basically, the signalling that's used for DVI and its ilk |
| [01:12:12] | Kazan: | aaaah |
| [01:12:17] | Kazan: | so... again... much bigger than 9GB/hour |
| [01:12:37] | Kazan: | wonder how much computing it WOULD record to make HDTV equivalent of an IVTV chip |
| [01:12:53] | Kazan: | if it's not practical at consumer prices now.. it will be soon |
| [01:13:09] | Kevorkian: | ummm .. it if requires all that horsepower .. why does this shiney box exist ?? http://www.zotzdigital.com/item.php?pid=406&cid=357 |
| [01:13:13] | TSCHAK: | not as much as everyone is thinking in here.. as I said, some of the larger FPGAs can do it |
| [01:13:15] | sphery: | As TSCHAK has been saying, with the right FPGA's it's possible (they actually ahve tose cards for networks, etc.) |
| [01:13:32] | bball_: | kazan: I've been waiting forever for such a card/chip :-) |
| [01:13:33] | TSCHAK: | I wish I was a better VHDL hacker |
| [01:13:41] | TSCHAK: | or I'd just freaking tear down and DO IT. |
| [01:13:49] | sphery: | Just not within the price point of your typical V4L/DVB hacker, yet. |
| [01:14:00] | Kazan: | being pratical doesn't mean it'll be MADE :D |
| [01:14:18] | Kazan: | Kevorkian: probably because it's not doing the same thing as what we're talking about |
| [01:14:40] | ** sphery just wishes his local networks would get some of those cards for putting in their animated advertisements ** | |
| [01:14:42] | Kevorkian: | ummm .. HD analouge in .. and digi out the other side |
| [01:14:53] | Kazan: | moron |
| [01:14:57] | Kazan: | it's still not doing what we're talking about |
| [01:15:01] | sphery: | Currently they cut from 5.1-channel audio HDTV to 2-channel audio SDTV stretched to widescreen. |
| [01:15:01] | Kazan: | it's doing an analog digital conversion |
| [01:15:07] | sphery: | It's annoying. |
| [01:15:09] | Kazan: | but it's NOT DOING THE MPEG2 COMPRESSION YOU NITWIT |
| [01:15:13] | Kevorkian: | which is what the convo started as .. |
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| [01:15:30] | Kazan: | it's not what i was talking about you moron |
| [01:15:35] | Kazan: | well af wife brought dinner |
| [01:15:45] | sphery: | Let's just say, MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 are very much under-appreciated heroes of the Myth story. |
| [01:16:21] | ** Kazan nods ** | |
| [01:16:24] | Kevorkian: | even at them bit rates .. mpeg compression in real time is not as hard as people thin |
| [01:16:27] | Kevorkian: | think* |
| [01:16:38] | bball_: | http://forum.team-mediaportal.com/upgrade_sup . . . html?t=23842 |
| [01:16:44] | bball_: | this is an interesting thread |
| [01:17:00] | bball_: | I would gladly buy such a card :-) |
| [01:18:18] | sphery: | Kevorkian: modern general purpose processors have a hard time /decoding/ HDTV in real time, let along encoding. |
| [01:18:43] | sphery: | reference all the "prebuffering pauses in HDTV" posts to the list |
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| [01:20:09] | TSCHAK: | but the nice thing about MPEG-2, is that it's very easy to implement as an ASIC and an FPGA that can do the job MUCH faster |
| [01:20:30] | TSCHAK: | (well, i should say it's very well understood... the new AVC codecs not so much) |
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| [01:24:18] | sphery: | TSCHAK: Yep. And was designed with that in mind. |
| [01:24:28] | TSCHAK: | yup |
| [01:25:55] | FunkyELF: | I was reading some slashdot comment about screenscraping in response to zap2it shutting down..... take a look at this http://rephrase.net/days/06/01/network-ten-hates-everyone |
| [01:26:18] | FunkyELF: | they try some crazy elaborate crap to keep people from scraping that screen |
| [01:27:20] | sphery: | FunkyELF: Wow. That's going a long way. |
| [01:27:47] | FunkyELF: | sphery, yeah....how important is TV listing data that they need to do that? |
| [01:28:50] | sphery: | It's definitely amazing. People seldom place appropriate value on the data they own. |
| [01:29:08] | sphery: | It's probably costing them far more to do what they're doing than the losses from allowing screen scraping. |
| [01:29:13] | sphery: | (would cost) |
| [01:30:36] | sphery: | And, since I've never seen a "roll-your-own" security system that didn't have pretty major problems, those who really want the data probably can get it. |
| [01:31:10] | sphery: | Most of the ones I've seen have thought of all the little details, but completely forgot about the "big" details. :) |
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| [01:35:36] | FunkyELF: | any nuvexport experts in here? |
| [01:36:06] | sphery: | Not me, but I think we should call them nuvexperts |
| [01:36:33] | FunkyELF: | I don't have a man page for it and nuvexport --help gives me nothing |
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| [01:39:13] | sphery: | I don't install it (dont transcode stuff), but I would think xris would have included "--help" in nuvexport, so maybe missing perl modules or soemthing? |
| [01:39:24] | squish102: | my new mythdora (based on FC5) i get segmentation faults in /bin/unicode_start and rd.d and egrep and LOOOOTS of applications. I get to a login screen but cannot login. any advice? |
| [01:39:53] | squish102: | FunkyELF there is a good page on the myth wiki, i think, with nuvexport |
| [01:40:13] | squish102: | btw my mythdora box has been running just fine for about 3 months |
| [01:40:41] | squish102: | all of a suddent i get the segmentation faults on boot up and no way of loggin in |
| [01:40:50] | sphery: | nothing changed? |
| [01:41:14] | squish102: | happened about an hour ago. never touched the machine |
| [01:41:30] | sphery: | If not, sounds like memory corruption from a) bad memory, b) overheating, c) power problems, d) stuff I can't think of... |
| [01:41:59] | squish102: | ok, maybe time to open up and wiggle stuff |
| [01:42:13] | ** sphery just went through 6-months of constantly-breaking hardware on his master backend ** | |
| [01:42:34] | mikeones: | I just installed a new kworld that uses v4l and the nuv files are not playable from mythweb? Is this expected behavior from mythweb and svn trunk? |
| [01:42:58] | sphery: | Yep. The transcode only works for MPEG-2 files. |
| [01:43:15] | sphery: | Flash streaming in MythWeb in trunk is a proof of concept. |
| [01:43:24] | sphery: | Not "production" quality. |
| [01:43:40] | sphery: | Eventually, the backend will probably do the transcoding. |
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| [01:45:49] | mikeones: | so if I want to view those shows from mythweb I would have to transcode with myth first? |
| [01:46:13] | mikeones: | sphery: or is that not likely? |
| [01:46:43] | sphery: | But myth's built-in transcoder can't go from NUV -> MPEG-2, so you'd have to use an external program (like nuvexport) in a user-job. |
| [01:46:57] | sphery: | And, IMHO, it's not really worth it. |
| [01:48:21] | sphery: | (BTW, eventually--probably shortly after the backend does the Flash transcoding--the build-in transcoder will be able to go from NUV -> MPEG-2.) |
| [01:49:11] | mikeones: | sphery: how do I get the output from nuvexport back into the mythweb recorded show page? |
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| [01:49:57] | sphery: | That's the challenge... Especially since you'll also have to run mythcommflag --rebuild (or, likely mythtranscode --buildindex) to create a seektable after going to MPEG-2. |
| [01:50:12] | sphery: | It would require a lot of plumbing. |
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| [01:50:56] | mikeones: | well while using mythweb stram you do not get to "seek" correct? |
| [01:51:02] | sphery: | I would say you're much better off using ssh to shell in and then kicking off an ffmpeg and ffserver to serve up the recording. |
| [01:51:13] | sphery: | Basically, yeah. |
| [01:51:40] | sphery: | Since it's transcoding on the fly, you can only seek to parts that have already been transcoded and downloaded. |
| [01:51:53] | sphery: | So, depending on the speed of your MythWeb computer... |
| [01:52:10] | mikeones: | less than 1md upload. |
| [01:52:16] | mikeones: | *mb |
| [01:52:40] | sphery: | And, the picture is tiny (and fullscreen doesn't work--at least on my Linux boxes) and quality is poor. |
| [01:53:06] | ** sphery prefers to copy to his laptop HDD and watch "high quality" recordings when on the road. ** | |
| [01:53:37] | mike3_: | Hey guys, how long approx does it get a mythtv box up and going on Ubuntu |
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| [01:53:51] | mikeones: | I boght the kworld for HD and was rather dissapoited so I just used the NTSC connection. |
| [01:53:57] | mike3_: | I'm so freeking tierd of dealing with gentoo. I hate waiting for it to take a billion years to build everything |
| [01:54:06] | mikeones: | now I find that sucks also. :( |
| [01:54:39] | sphery: | mikeones: Not enough HDTV stations or something? |
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| [01:55:41] | sphery: | Anyway, you could probably find some way to make the streaming work for you, but I think the $50 for a PVR-150 would be a /lot/ cheaper than trying to use the V4L card. |
| [01:55:50] | mikeones: | sphery: I get about 40 from my cable connection but there is only 4 I can stand. |
| [01:56:28] | sphery: | And the others you like are all non-digital? |
| [01:56:39] | sphery: | Or was the card really that bad? |
| [01:56:53] | mikeones: | mike3_: Check sidux.. debian based, rock solid, and support is awsome. |
| [01:57:11] | mike3_: | I don't have to build every package now do I |
| [01:57:17] | mike3_: | geez.. that is a pain in the ass |
| [01:57:33] | mike3_: | I will continue to use gentoo as my primary deskotp, but for my myth system. Don't really matter to me |
| [01:57:42] | mikeones: | sphery: I only have SD cable. |
| [01:58:11] | mikeones: | mike3_: apt-get install mythtv. Thats it! |
| [01:58:26] | mike3_: | Their all binaries correct |
| [01:58:31] | mike3_: | no building source from scratch |
| [01:58:31] | mike3_: | ? |
| [01:58:40] | mikeones: | svn is what I do. |
| [01:59:08] | mikeones: | apt-get build-dep mythtv, then get svn and compile away. |
| [01:59:25] | mike3_: | I'm looking not to build from scratch |
| [01:59:29] | mike3_: | I don't want to deal with waiting |
| [02:00:25] | mikeones: | mike3_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . rom_upstream |
| [02:00:45] | mike3_: | I think I'm going to go with Ubuntu to be honest |
| [02:00:52] | mike3_: | Top distro, and it's based on debian |
| [02:00:54] | mike3_: | uses apt-get |
| [02:01:05] | mike3_: | and I'm pretty certain you don't need to build every packages from source like gentoo |
| [02:01:47] | mikeones: | no, nothing is like gentoo.. maybe arch-linux. |
| [02:02:05] | mikeones: | mike3_: check http://sidux.com/index.html also |
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| [02:03:54] | squish102: | i have booted into rescue mode on mythdora, and it has mounted my one logical volume bit not the second one. How should i mount it? |
| [02:05:14] | ** squish102 hoping one of my drives has not fried ** | |
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| [02:07:39] | mikeones: | squish102: Did you say failed drive? |
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| [02:07:51] | ** mikeones thins this might help http://geeksaresexy.blogspot.com/2005/12/hard . . . hen-you.html ** | |
| [02:08:19] | mikeones: | or this http://chris.pirillo.com/2002/04/18/hard-disk-in-the-freezer/ |
| [02:09:45] | kormoc: | mikeones, I'm sure pc inspector file recovery supports linux filesystems... |
| [02:09:58] | kormoc: | yet alone LVM's |
| [02:16:05] | keith4__: | kormoc's here. yay |
| [02:16:37] | kormoc: | Heh, hello keith4__ |
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| [02:19:07] | keith4_: | don't know where that extra _ came from |
| [02:19:27] | keith4_: | ... or where keith4 is logged in from |
| [02:20:01] | kormoc: | /msg nickserv ghost keith4 password |
| [02:20:23] | squish102: | mikeones busy running fsck on lvm's now |
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| [02:20:37] | keith4: | yay |
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| [02:20:54] | keith4: | ha! bastard |
| [02:21:02] | keith4: | ah... it's at work |
| [02:21:28] | keith4: | aaaaaanyway, i never got anywhere with "master backend override" |
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| [02:22:23] | kormoc: | sad |
| [02:22:40] | squish102: | i get segfaults all the way through my boot process. eventually get to a login, but it will not let me login. any advice? |
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| [02:23:02] | squish102: | mythdora and i was not doing anything when the problem started |
| [02:23:16] | kormoc: | squish102, livecd + smartctl ? |
| [02:23:17] | squish102: | realised i could not ssh in anymore |
| [02:23:48] | squish102: | ok i have booted in mythdora rescue mode, will check if it has smartctl |
| [02:24:22] | squish102: | all lvm fsck'ed fine |
| [02:24:47] | kormoc: | you might just have standard data corruption not related to hardware failure(s) |
| [02:25:34] | ** keith4 is glad his boot device is not part of an lvm sometimes ** | |
| [02:25:38] | squish102: | ok i have smartctl |
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| [02:26:31] | kormoc: | squish102, smartctl -l selftest /dev/[hs]d[a-z] |
| [02:26:50] | kormoc: | then smartctl -A /dev/[hs]d[a-z] |
| [02:27:02] | squish102: | ok, i think smartctl was not switched on... will try those tests |
| [02:29:03] | keith4: | why does mythweb happily overwrite all database settings when you upgrade it? |
| [02:29:24] | keith4: | perhaps i should blame the package maintainer |
| [02:29:57] | kormoc: | keith4, mythweb won't, it should complain and all mythbackend/mythfrontend/myth* upgrade the schema |
| [02:30:49] | keith4: | hmm |
| [02:32:52] | squish102: | kormoc im running long tests on all drives, but i am begining to think the drives are ok |
| [02:33:08] | squish102: | maybe test memory next |
| [02:33:29] | kormoc: | squish102, if that's the case, you might need to do a re-install of the os, depending on what's damaged |
| [02:33:58] | squish102: | ouch |
| [02:34:09] | squish102: | strange how it got damaged :( |
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| [02:35:41] | squish102: | i run no updates, or do pretty much anything on the machine |
| [02:36:18] | kormoc: | could be lots of things, like a buggy driver or a buggy kernel or what not |
| [02:37:10] | keith4: | kormoc, so... updating mythtv changed the mysql password for mythtv apparently |
| [02:37:16] | keith4: | which is awesome |
| [02:37:27] | kormoc: | keith4, that's not myth doing that |
| [02:37:34] | keith4: | i didn't think so |
| [02:37:36] | keith4: | i blame debian |
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| [02:41:40] | keith4: | kormoc, any chance that multiple myth frontends can share an automount home dir? |
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| [02:50:23] | Captain_Murdoch: | keith4, yes, mine do that. |
| [02:50:54] | keith4: | does that allow mythvideo data to be shared, do you know? |
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| [02:53:01] | kormoc: | keith4, they sure can |
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| [02:53:18] | keith4: | hmm |
| [02:53:27] | kormoc: | keith4, and sure, I just mount my data share on /mnt/multimedia on every box and it's shared fine |
| [02:53:44] | keith4: | well, i have my video share mounted like that, too |
| [02:53:46] | kormoc: | keith4, well, assuming your WM shared things correctly |
| [02:53:52] | keith4: | WM? |
| [02:53:59] | kormoc: | window manager |
| [02:54:14] | keith4: | what's the window manager have to do with sharing? |
| [02:54:17] | kormoc: | KDE won't like it, neather would gnome, but I do thing that the lighter ones (*box) don't care |
| [02:54:25] | kormoc: | they use lock files in the home dir |
| [02:54:30] | keith4: | oh, right |
| [02:54:37] | keith4: | i use xfce on the frontends, should be ok |
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| [02:55:06] | keith4: | isn't the default location for storing mythvideo posters and such in the mythtv home dir? |
| [02:55:19] | keith4: | i don't really care about the posters, but others are whining |
| [02:55:35] | kormoc: | keith4, aye, tho I just put it in a . dir in the video dir |
| [02:55:54] | keith4: | good idea |
| [02:56:10] | mikeones: | is it correct that the PVR 500 can recorde two shows at once in mythtv? |
| [02:56:16] | kormoc: | aye |
| [02:57:48] | keith4: | is the PVR500 cheaper than 2 PVR250s? |
| [02:58:07] | kormoc: | keith4, aye, the 250 is discontinued and hard to find |
| [02:58:08] | achew22: | How does window MCE get its listings? |
| [02:58:42] | kormoc: | achew22, http://www.google.com/search?q=windows%20mce%20listings%20source |
| [02:59:14] | keith4: | ebay seems to work okay |
| [02:59:37] | kormoc: | keith4, the pvr 150 is cheaper and (typically) better then the 250 |
| [02:59:51] | ** keith4 shrugs ** | |
| [02:59:57] | keith4: | i have 4 250s... no problems |
| [03:00:10] | keith4: | all the 500s i see are MCE |
| [03:00:21] | kormoc: | keith4, the pvr 150's tuner typically tune slightly better and thus less noise |
| [03:00:28] | kormoc: | nothing wrong with the MCE |
| [03:00:48] | keith4: | i had problems with a 250 MCE a while back |
| [03:01:32] | mikeones: | the 500 is just two 150's on one pci correct? |
| [03:02:47] | achew22: | kormoc, google doesn't have it — I'm on page 4 |
| [03:02:49] | Grecko: | mikeones: With less connectors, yes |
| [03:04:01] | keith4: | achew22, google doesn't have what? |
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| [03:04:18] | achew22: | keith4_, a reference to where Windows MCE gets its listings |
| [03:05:15] | keith4: | ah yes |
| [03:05:33] | achew22: | keith4, do you know? |
| [03:06:05] | keith4: | ... no |
| [03:06:11] | keith4: | from microsoft probably |
| [03:06:20] | keith4: | who probably pays $$$ for it |
| [03:06:53] | Grecko: | Either that or they scrape it off of Zap2It labs. |
| [03:06:59] | achew22: | I'd be willing to buy a oem copy of MCE just to get into that listings |
| [03:07:11] | Grecko: | Which would explain why they would be shutting the service down and why they won't say anything about the people abusing it. |
| [03:07:30] | kormoc: | they would just sue MS |
| [03:07:53] | achew22: | agreed |
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| [03:08:42] | keith4: | maybe a community MCE -> XML relay |
| [03:08:47] | achew22: | hell I'd be willing to get ethereal and read the packets untill we could figure out how to get it from wherever M$ is getting it |
| [03:08:47] | keith4: | that would be interesting |
| [03:08:54] | Grecko: | WIth MS's legal dept, I doubt it. |
| [03:09:10] | Grecko: | Where does beyondTV get their listings from? |
| [03:09:18] | achew22: | zap2it i think |
| [03:09:18] | Grecko: | Or where does Zap2it get their listings from? |
| [03:09:25] | kormoc: | Grecko, tribune media can give MS a run for it's money in size... |
| [03:09:37] | achew22: | Grecko, tribune media |
| [03:09:39] | kormoc: | Grecko, zap2it is owned by Tribune Media |
| [03:09:55] | kormoc: | Grecko, and Tribune Media has exclusive rights to the listings |
| [03:13:30] | Grecko: | Ah |
| [03:13:49] | Grecko: | Well, we can always scrape the listings off of zap2its sites :P |
| [03:14:03] | kormoc: | hence why if it was a big name company, they'd just sue them into compliance |
| [03:14:22] | Grecko: | Ok, didn't know there was a larger company that owned zap2it |
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| [03:43:23] | Zentax-Work: | Hi anyone around to help me with an issue imhaving with MythTV and my Hauppauge Nova-T 500 ?? |
| [03:44:44] | Grecko: | Zentax-Work: Maybe if you told us what that issue was, we might. |
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| [03:46:42] | Grecko: | Anyone know if a windows program a person could use to monitor file changes? I wanna see where MCE stores its TV listings :P |
| [03:46:42] | Zentax-Work: | Sure sorry. |
| [03:46:59] | Zentax-Work: | Basically, The card doesnt appear to be detected by MythTV. |
| [03:47:05] | Zentax-Work: | We firstly installed MythDora |
| [03:47:45] | Zentax-Work: | and dmesg showed some issues and the card was basically not being detected at all |
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| [03:48:02] | Grecko: | So at current, is the card detected by linux? |
| [03:48:10] | Zentax-Work: | so instead we installed Ubuntu and installed MythTV by hand |
| [03:48:14] | Zentax-Work: | Which was more successfuly |
| [03:48:27] | Zentax-Work: | We can now see the card be detected in dmesg. How-ever not by mythtv at all |
| [03:48:51] | Grecko: | Ok. Is /dev/v4l/videoX working? |
| [03:48:53] | Zentax-Work: | we have upgraded to the latest kernel 2.6.20-16-general |
| [03:49:11] | Zentax-Work: | i do not have /dev/v4l at all |
| [03:49:19] | Grecko: | So theres your problem |
| [03:49:41] | Grecko: | You need to install the drivers so Linux can work with the card before Myth will be able to use it |
| [03:49:52] | Zentax-Work: | I followed the instructions here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI to do the dot |
| [03:50:02] | Zentax-Work: | *to the dot.. |
| [03:51:06] | Grecko: | So what happens when you do sudo modprobe dvb-use-dib0700 ? |
| [03:51:12] | HReadren: | Grecko, look at http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals . . . Filemon.mspx |
| [03:51:31] | mikeones: | is there another card that can recorde two shows on SD cable like the PRV 500 can? |
| [03:51:38] | Zentax-Work: | FATAL: Module dvb_use_dib0700 not found. |
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| [03:53:40] | Zentax-Work: | any thoughts? it does sound like the steps in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI have not worked correctly. But i had no errors during those steps |
| [03:55:37] | mikeones: | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client . . . ;btnG=Search |
| [03:55:57] | mikeones: | Zentax-Work: ^^ |
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| [03:56:45] | Zentax-Work: | hmm i think im ay have answered my own questions.. I just realised that when doing "sudo make load" i get quiet a few errors |
| [03:56:52] | Zentax-Work: | insmod: error inserting './radio-aimslab.ko': -1 Invalid parameters |
| [03:56:54] | Zentax-Work: | such as that |
| [03:56:58] | Zentax-Work: | im not sure if that would effect anything |
| [03:56:58] | Grecko: | Yep |
| [03:57:02] | Zentax-Work: | just checking ur link now.. |
| [03:57:16] | Grecko: | Any errors, especially insmod errors, will affect everything |
| [03:57:31] | Zentax-Work: | Ahh yep ok.. |
| [03:57:33] | Zentax-Work: | i got quiet a few |
| [03:57:35] | Zentax-Work: | maybe 12 or so |
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| [04:04:04] | Zentax-Work: | hmm still not having much luck. after a reboot, i checked dmesg again. i can see this. |
| [04:04:10] | Zentax-Work: | [ 15.126702] dib0700: firmware started successfully. |
| [04:04:21] | Zentax-Work: | [ 15.629325] DVB: registering new adapter (Hauppauge Nova-T 500 Dual DVB-T) |
| [04:04:28] | Zentax-Work: | couple of others but mostly repeats |
| [04:04:37] | Zentax-Work: | it appears that its detedcted both |
| [04:04:39] | Zentax-Work: | i also have |
| [04:04:57] | Zentax-Work: | a /dev/dvb/adapter0 & adapter1 |
| [04:06:35] | Zentax-Work: | OHh btw. i just realised |
| [04:06:44] | Zentax-Work: | [01:56pm] <Grecko> So what happens when you do sudo modprobe dvb-use-dib0700 ? |
| [04:06:53] | Zentax-Work: | u said dvb-use-* |
| [04:06:58] | Zentax-Work: | its dvb-usb- |
| [04:07:01] | Zentax-Work: | when i correct that |
| [04:07:03] | Zentax-Work: | i get nothing |
| [04:07:07] | Zentax-Work: | user@mythtv:/dev/dvb$ sudo modprobe dvb-usb-dib0700 |
| [04:07:08] | Zentax-Work: | user@mythtv:/dev/dvb$ sudo modprobe dvb-usb-dib0700 |
| [04:07:13] | Zentax-Work: | gives me no output at all |
| [04:08:02] | Zentax-Work: | any idea's any1? |
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| [04:08:10] | kormoc: | Zentax-Work, output would be viewed via the dmesg command |
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| [04:10:45] | Zentax-Work: | its not outputting anything to dmesg either. |
| [04:11:32] | PaulWay[w]: | modprobe -v ? |
| [04:11:46] | PaulWay[w]: | If it's not showing anything there then it's not actually finding or loading the module. |
| [04:12:02] | Zentax-Work: | nope nothing with -v either. |
| [04:12:19] | mikeones: | lsmod | grep dvb-usb-dib0700 |
| [04:13:02] | Zentax-Work: | nothing either |
| [04:13:28] | Zentax-Work: | i get something if i replace your – with ) |
| [04:13:30] | Zentax-Work: | sorry |
| [04:13:33] | Zentax-Work: | replace – with _ |
| [04:13:48] | Zentax-Work: | dvb_usb_dib0700 14856 0 |
| [04:13:49] | Zentax-Work: | dib7000m 16004 1 dvb_usb_dib0700 |
| [04:13:49] | Zentax-Work: | dib7000p 14340 1 dvb_usb_dib0700 |
| [04:13:49] | Zentax-Work: | dvb_usb 22924 1 dvb_usb_dib0700 |
| [04:13:49] | Zentax-Work: | dib3000mc 13444 3 dvb_usb_dib0700 |
| [04:13:49] | Zentax-Work: | usbcore 134280 7 dvb_usb_dib0700,dvb_usb,usb_storage,libusual,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd |
| [04:14:03] | kormoc: | Zentax-Work, don't spam, please use a pastebin in the future |
| [04:14:15] | Zentax-Work: | oh sorry |
| [04:14:29] | mikeones: | so this was worng? sudo modprobe dvb-usb-dib0700 |
| [04:14:42] | Grecko: | - and _ should be equivalent for modprobe... |
| [04:15:06] | Zentax-Work: | modprobe i dont get anything at all. i was refering to |
| [04:15:19] | Zentax-Work: | mikeones command of "lsmod | grep dvb-usb-dib0700" << that is wrong |
| [04:15:27] | achew22: | Grecko, doesn't modprobe do a s/-/_/g kind of thing |
| [04:15:37] | Zentax-Work: | lsmod | grep dvb_usb_dib0700 << this works and gives me an ouput |
| [04:15:44] | Zentax-Work: | but i get nothing using modprobe at all |
| [04:15:49] | PaulWay[w]: | achew22: yep, but not grep, strangely enough :-) |
| [04:16:05] | achew22: | PaulWay[w], thats actualy called "regular expression" |
| [04:16:14] | achew22: | but yeah — I know |
| [04:16:16] | PaulWay[w]: | Zentax-Work: If the module's already loaded then modprobe won't reload it AFAIK |
| [04:16:21] | mikeones: | Zentax-Work: looks like it is loaded and in use |
| [04:16:38] | PaulWay[w]: | achew22: It was mikeones' command using grep that wasn't working... |
| [04:16:40] | Zentax-Work: | Yes.. We just tried something rather odd.. I think it may have been a configuration issue/user error |
| [04:16:54] | Zentax-Work: | I think we were using the wrong capture card adapter type |
| [04:16:57] | achew22: | ahh — I thought it was a clever response to my comment |
| [04:17:15] | achew22: | too bad PaulWay[w] if you had just accepted it I would have walked away thinking you were a very funny man ;) |
| [04:17:19] | Zentax-Work: | the devices didnt get detected themself but instead we manually typed /dev/dvb/adapter0 & adapter1 |
| [04:17:35] | Zentax-Work: | and selected pcHDTV DTV capture card |
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| [04:17:47] | mikeones: | well I just pasted what was listed above. |
| [04:17:48] | Zentax-Work: | as we realised that would be the one needed for V4L drivers. would this be correct? |
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| [04:18:14] | wastrel: | uipa |
| [04:19:35] | ** mikeones cann't wait to get home and watch my new http://www.vizio.com/products/detail.aspx?pid=31 ** | |
| [04:19:55] | Zentax-Work: | can someone just read and confirm what i said above would be correct? |
| [04:20:10] | Zentax-Work: | Just not sure as i would have expected MythTV to detect the card devices automatically? |
| [04:20:55] | wastrel: | hi |
| [04:21:13] | achew22: | Hi wastrel! How are you? |
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| [04:21:51] | wastrel: | ok |
| [04:21:58] | achew22: | mikeones, I'll trade you a crayon for it... |
| [04:22:04] | wastrel: | i'm not loving myth yet |
| [04:22:11] | achew22: | wastrel, why not? |
| [04:22:16] | achew22: | wastrel, how can I help? |
| [04:22:32] | wastrel: | it's not as good as my old replay |
| [04:22:50] | achew22: | what are you having a hard time with? |
| [04:22:50] | wastrel: | it's a lot of work |
| [04:23:07] | wastrel: | external channel changer |
| [04:23:14] | achew22: | that is hard |
| [04:23:39] | achew22: | wastrel, i'm sorry I can't help you on that front as I only have internal tuners (actualy the HDHomeRun but it behaves like an internal tuner) |
| [04:23:39] | wastrel: | i don't understand rs232 stuff i suppose i should read up |
| [04:24:19] | wastrel: | the guide is only 4 lines long and scrolling through it is slow |
| [04:24:38] | wastrel: | this may be due to input from the remote control being slow |
| [04:24:53] | achew22: | wastrel, you should try having it record your programs then watching recordings instead of live |
| [04:25:17] | wastrel: | can't record, the external channel changer doesn't work |
| [04:25:26] | wastrel: | also the cable box seems to go to sleep |
| [04:25:35] | achew22: | wastrel, are you in the US? |
| [04:25:40] | wastrel: | or the hauppage input is being put to sleep |
| [04:25:43] | wastrel: | yes |
| [04:25:53] | wastrel: | need to fix that too |
| [04:25:55] | achew22: | do you have digital cable? |
| [04:25:59] | wastrel: | yes |
| [04:26:11] | achew22: | call your cable provider tomorrow morning and request a box with firewire |
| [04:26:18] | achew22: | as I understand that greatly simplifies things |
| [04:26:35] | achew22: | wastrel, they are required by the FCC to give you one at no extra rental fee too! |
| [04:27:35] | achew22: | wastrel, the US doesn't suck THAT bad we have some (read very few) cool laws/rules |
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| [04:36:39] | wastrel: | i just don't see the serial port responding |
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| [04:46:55] | mattwj2005: | bummer to hear about zap2it :( |
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| [04:47:51] | mattwj2005: | like I told one of my friends...they should set up a $5 donation bucket....I am sure it would overflow :) |
| [04:51:51] | samesame: | heres some recommendations for 'quiet' hard drives for your mythbox |
| [04:51:52] | samesame: | http://www.silentpcreview.com/article29-page2.html |
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| [05:05:20] | mattwj2005: | anyone home? |
| [05:05:21] | mattwj2005: | :P |
| [05:05:35] | kormoc: | nope |
| [05:05:40] | mattwj2005: | hehe |
| [05:05:43] | mattwj2005: | oh okay |
| [05:05:44] | mattwj2005: | :P |
| [05:06:18] | mattwj2005: | everyone busy developing mythtv? |
| [05:07:29] | ** mikeones watching ** | |
| [05:07:50] | mattwj2005: | what are you watching? |
| [05:08:01] | mattwj2005: | I am watching Star Trek |
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| [05:10:55] | mikeones: | CSI |
| [05:11:20] | mattwj2005: | nice |
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| [05:17:58] | OpenMedia: | I'm here :0 |
| [05:18:00] | OpenMedia: | :) |
| [05:18:43] | mattwj2005: | hey openmedia :) |
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| [05:25:03] | OpenMedia: | Very quiet though. The screaming over Zap2it must have calmed down ;) |
| [05:26:35] | mattwj2005: | hehe |
| [05:27:01] | mattwj2005: | yeah they should get some donations....I am sure it was a bandwidth issue |
| [05:27:45] | OpenMedia: | Nah.. it was commercial. Tribune on Zap2It and usually charge for commercial access. |
| [05:27:47] | mattwj2005: | commercial network connections are way too expensive |
| [05:27:59] | mattwj2005: | okay got ya ;0 |
| [05:28:01] | mattwj2005: | :) |
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| [05:37:31] | mattwj2005: | well my attempt to get the HDHomeRun software running over wine is not going well :) |
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| [05:43:42] | OpenMedia: | Gotta bale.. I'm cooking dinner |
| [05:44:31] | mattwj2005: | bye OpenMedia :) |
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| [06:04:13] | mattwj2005: | yeah Wine still has a ways to go |
| [06:04:15] | mattwj2005: | :P |
| [06:05:23] | PaulWay[w]: | What's the situation with Zap2it now? |
| [06:05:40] | PaulWay[w]: | (Being in Australia, I'm more intrigued than worried) |
| [06:05:48] | achew22: | things are bad |
| [06:06:03] | hads: | mailing list, irc logs, google, you'll find info. |
| [06:06:15] | mattwj2005: | yeah I am in the US |
| [06:06:17] | mattwj2005: | :( |
| [06:06:26] | mattwj2005: | I wonder how long it'll take for an update |
| [06:06:30] | PaulWay[w]: | hads: I'm trying to work out the current state of play, and see behind the hype. |
| [06:06:33] | Dagmar: | We need a bot to spam people "There is no Zap2it news--don't ask." |
| [06:06:36] | Dagmar: | Maybe 8 or 9 bots. |
| [06:06:41] | hads: | More |
| [06:07:50] | PaulWay[w]: | OK, I give in :-) |
| [06:08:19] | mattwj2005: | it work in the US again eventually....with or without zap2it |
| [06:08:21] | mattwj2005: | :) |
| [06:09:13] | mattwj2005: | *it'll |
| [06:09:35] | hads: | PaulWay[w]: the mythtv-users list, look for posts from Chris Petersen |
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| [06:12:05] | hads: | Hmm, this trackpad is messing with me. |
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| [06:12:35] | Tanthrix: | Hrm, I think something is wrong with my cat. :/ |
| [06:12:39] | mattwj2005: | you have a trackball? |
| [06:12:43] | mattwj2005: | that is so 90s :P |
| [06:12:51] | Dagmar: | So is illiteracy. |
| [06:13:06] | mattwj2005: | hehe yeah 1890s maybe |
| [06:13:18] | hads: | I upgraded my Thinkpad and I'm not used to it having both the trackpoint and trackpad. |
| [06:13:34] | Dagmar: | I just disable the fumblepad on mine if they have both. |
| [06:13:48] | kormoc: | I like trackpads actually |
| [06:14:03] | mattwj2005: | I never got use to using one |
| [06:14:15] | hads: | I will disable it if I don't get used to it being there. |
| [06:14:31] | Dagmar: | I can't stand having to roll the tip of my finger around to get any kind of fine control |
| [06:14:58] | Dagmar: | ...not to mention that a stray touch generally equals a click in a random location on the screen. :/ |
| [06:15:22] | Tanthrix: | Trackpoint is the only way to go. |
| [06:15:36] | kormoc: | Dagmar, surprisingly enough, apple's "Ignore accidental input" works wonderfully |
| [06:15:36] | Dagmar: | Nippelmousen FTW! |
| [06:15:44] | hads: | heh |
| [06:15:50] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but I'm not typing on a pod person machine |
| [06:16:01] | Dagmar: | oof /FTW/uber alles/; |
| [06:16:14] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [06:16:18] | hads: | Especially with hjkl scrolling, the nipple rules. |
| [06:17:31] | mattwj2005: | nipple rule? |
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| [06:29:37] | mattwj2005: | well I am off to bed |
| [06:29:40] | mattwj2005: | good night all :) |
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| [06:32:48] | Tanthrix: | Actually, if I was getting a notebook I'd see about going with a tablet PC. Had a chance to use one for a few hours the otherday and I rather liked it. |
| [06:33:00] | Tanthrix: | (For the stylus touch screen, I mean) |
| [06:33:24] | Tanthrix: | Though when it comes down to it, ultimately I'd rather just bring a mouse with me everywhere I go |
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| [06:33:54] | Dagmar: | I think perhaps a touch screen would be a fast route to the nut hatch for me. |
| [06:34:02] | Dagmar: | I get crazy about fingerprints on my screen as it is. |
| [06:34:34] | Dagmar: | If I wouldn't _kill you_ for trying, you could safely turn most of my monitors on end and eat off the tube |
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| [07:04:24] | Beirdo: | oh gREAT! |
| [07:04:39] | Dagmar: | Hmm? |
| [07:04:52] | Beirdo: | I can't detect libc-client with autotools because the callbacks are purposefully left as undefined symbols |
| [07:05:02] | Beirdo: | thanks, university of frigging washington |
| [07:05:26] | Dagmar: | yay! |
| [07:06:58] | Beirdo: | oh, and they install the static lib as /usr/lib/c-client.a |
| [07:07:05] | Beirdo: | instead of /usr/lib/libc-client.a |
| [07:07:09] | Beirdo: | tards |
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| [07:20:18] | Beirdo: | OK, I'll fight with that later. bedtime! |
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| [07:20:24] | Beirdo: | 3:20am. I'm sooo stupid |
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| [07:35:37] | Dagmar: | yay codec library building issues |
| [07:37:08] | Dagmar: | You know, from watching this old Batman movie, I've come to one, almost inescapable conclusion. |
| [07:37:16] | Dagmar: | People in the 60's did a *lot* of drugs. |
| [07:37:32] | Dagmar: | Drugs that make you believe pretty much any improbable line of crap you hear. |
| [07:37:59] | Dagmar: | Much more serious drugs than any raver in the 90's. |
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| [07:59:43] | planktonboy: | hi all |
| [08:00:08] | planktonboy: | just been reading up on subversion, but a little confused about something |
| [08:00:20] | planktonboy: | in mythweather |
| [08:17:50] | Dagmar: | It doesn't work. |
| [08:18:56] | Hugol1: | Dagmar: its going to be repaired or its off |
| [08:18:57] | Hugol1: | ? |
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| [08:22:03] | Dagmar: | When people don't state their question, we get to guess what it is. |
| [08:22:06] | Dagmar: | That's the rule. |
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| [09:11:46] | Dagmar: | I hate transcode |
| [09:12:50] | directhex|work: | i hate mencoder |
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| [09:12:59] | directhex|work: | quick! someone say they hate ffmpeg! |
| [09:14:54] | siXy: | i like ffmpeg :( |
| [09:15:36] | siXy: | its the only way the internal player can play ripped .vobs (admittedly it dies if you try to skip back or forward but its better than not playing at all) |
| [09:17:10] | planktonboy: | hi chaps |
| [09:17:56] | Dagmar: | I'd like to stab ffmpeg in it's *eyes* right now |
| [09:18:25] | directhex|work: | i use avidemux for any and all encode-related tasks |
| [09:18:32] | Dagmar: | The latest SVN of ffmpeg does something weird that causes transcode to fail to compile |
| [09:18:34] | directhex|work: | well, except for subtitling. subtitling sucks in linux |
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| [09:26:56] | planktonboy: | if I want to apply the latest svn to a previous svn that I have patched and installed, is there a way to check the differences between the 2 and keep them or is it just easier to do a clean checkout and then apply the patch again |
| [09:27:55] | planktonboy: | basically I want to keep the shoutcastpatch at http://www.eskil.org/mythtv/patches/shoutcast-13513.patch |
| [09:28:18] | planktonboy: | it patched fine with my existing svn checkout 13579 |
| [09:28:44] | planktonboy: | but there are rejects in newer checkout |
| [09:32:56] | planktonboy: | have been reading the subversion book and beginning to understand it a bit, but its quite confusing at times and one can get a bit lost :) |
| [09:33:48] | hads: | svn up and you'll get conflict files |
| [09:34:22] | planktonboy: | hi hads |
| [09:34:31] | planktonboy: | ah ok |
| [09:35:00] | planktonboy: | been checking out svn diff and svn status |
| [09:35:09] | planktonboy: | they are quite handy |
| [09:35:49] | hads: | Yes they are |
| [09:36:21] | planktonboy: | also trying to update the mythweather patch from patch 2 to that latest patch 3, the one that fixes the wind speeds on the tomorrows forecast |
| [09:36:51] | planktonboy: | but when I did that it put all the backgroung images to the side of the screen |
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| [09:37:50] | planktonboy: | and not in the center, obviously to do with using MythCenter-wide |
| [09:38:06] | hads: | No idea, I don't use either. |
| [09:38:10] | planktonboy: | yeah |
| [09:38:15] | planktonboy: | no worries |
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| [09:38:50] | planktonboy: | I guess I can live with it for now, but will play around with it as it seems as good an exercise as any to understand svn |
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| [09:39:09] | hads: | When you svn up any file that says C is a conflict |
| [09:39:19] | planktonboy: | yup |
| [09:39:24] | hads: | Then you will get file.foo.1234 etc. |
| [09:39:38] | planktonboy: | yes |
| [09:39:51] | planktonboy: | and then I guess I just have to edit by hand |
| [09:44:04] | vfrex: | Does L2 cache on the CPU play a large role in encoding performance? |
| [09:44:05] | planktonboy: | is there a command to check a patch difference against an existing file or dir |
| [09:44:11] | directhex|work: | vfrex, no |
| [09:44:48] | directhex|work: | vfrex, not in the slightest. overclocked celerons were the encoders' CPU of choice a few years back, since there was no speed loss compared to a real pentium |
| [09:44:52] | Dagmar: | Okay. Strange... I got a nearly impossible error out of transcode-1.0.2 so on the theory that my ffmpeg build is cooked, I'm taking that one apart |
| [09:45:08] | vfrex: | interesting. I'm planning on working off an AM2 sempron |
| [09:45:11] | Dagmar: | Looks like maybe my patch to make it say it was version "SVN-r$num" is confusing some things |
| [09:45:14] | planktonboy: | for example I want to patch mythweather3.patch to my mythweather dir, but first want to check it to see the differences before I try to patch it |
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| [09:46:37] | planktonboy: | and also what does this mean |
| [09:46:41] | planktonboy: | patching file mythweather/mythweather/Makefile |
| [09:46:41] | planktonboy: | Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] |
| [09:47:09] | planktonboy: | I sort of understand it, but not sure whether to say yes or no |
| [09:47:43] | planktonboy: | and yes I have patched the Mkaefile previously |
| [09:47:48] | planktonboy: | Makefile even |
| [09:48:13] | planktonboy: | hope that makes sense to you guys :) |
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| [09:51:04] | vfrex: | My only downside on the sempron is that it doesn't support CNQ, so I don't think cpufreq is going to work. |
| [09:51:34] | Dagmar: | It'll work. |
| [09:51:38] | Dagmar: | It just won't do as much. |
| [09:51:57] | Dagmar: | The kernel modules know what do to depending on the CPU they see. Don't worry about that. |
| [09:53:03] | vfrex: | Would they then be able to handle on the fly voltage changeS? |
| [09:53:05] | vfrex: | *s |
| [09:53:47] | Dagmar: | Why would this matter? |
| [09:54:04] | Dagmar: | CPUfreq knows what to do |
| [09:54:23] | Dagmar: | HowardTheCoward: Maybe. Have fun booting that tho |
| [09:54:32] | directhex|work: | as long as your bios wasn't written by inbred baboons, anyway |
| [09:54:50] | directhex|work: | if your bios was written by inbred baboons, don't expect any frequency scaling |
| [09:55:05] | vfrex: | thats a good point. I'm taking a massive leap of faith going biostar :p |
| [09:55:14] | Dagmar: | Faith? |
| [09:55:20] | Dagmar: | Try naievete. |
| [09:55:23] | directhex|work: | biostar will be fine |
| [09:55:27] | directhex|work: | it's the big names who suck |
| [09:55:42] | Dagmar: | Biostar is just marginally above ECS and PCChips |
| [09:55:55] | Dagmar: | ...although PCChips is way down there |
| [09:55:55] | directhex|work: | you'd be surprised |
| [09:56:01] | vfrex: | As far as big names going, I'm going pretty well with my Asus now |
| [09:56:08] | directhex|work: | experience has taught me to avoid big-name boards |
| [09:56:32] | vfrex: | Do you have a preferred brand? |
| [09:57:04] | directhex|work: | not specifically. just someone who isn't msi, asus or abit, if i can help it |
| [09:57:14] | directhex|work: | my best boards have been albatron and chaintech |
| [09:58:09] | vfrex: | the bad news is, if I want an AM2 board from newegg with an AGP slot, I'm choosing between biostar and MSI |
| [09:58:34] | Dagmar: | Look around for an ASRock board |
| [09:59:08] | Dagmar: | ...but frankly you should probably be ignoring AGP and just getting a plain PCI version of the nVidia 5200 for output |
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| [10:01:26] | vfrex: | yeah, I'm trying to cut down costs and scrap from my previous build though. I'm basically replacing everything though, so why not video card as well |
| [10:02:06] | vfrex: | power supply 20 pin connection doesn't even stay in place anymore |
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| [10:09:13] | hybridsto: | I have a hauppauge 274 tuner card, would anyone know why mythtv says "failed to open" when I try to add it? |
| [10:15:15] | Dagmar: | Maybe because it's got no idea what that card is |
| [10:15:48] | Dagmar: | Just say "PVR-150" from now on, kthx |
| [10:15:56] | Dagmar: | Did you happen to install ivtv?? |
| [10:16:22] | hybridsto: | yes I did |
| [10:16:50] | hybridsto: | is the 274 the same as pvr-150? |
| [10:16:57] | Dagmar: | http://www.provantage.com/hauppauge-274~7HAUP12F.htm |
| [10:16:59] | Dagmar: | What do you think |
| [10:17:10] | Dagmar: | Most people would consider the label on the box they opened a pretty big hint |
| [10:17:12] | ** hads had no idea what a hauppauge 274 is ** | |
| [10:17:29] | Dagmar: | I just barely remembered that it was one of the part numbers of the 150 |
| [10:18:09] | Dagmar: | So what's going to the syslog when the ivtv driver is being loaded? |
| [10:18:30] | hybridsto: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116633 |
| [10:19:10] | hybridsto: | are those the same card? |
| [10:19:27] | Dagmar: | Can't your ead? |
| [10:19:45] | Dagmar: | Model 274 == Model 274. |
| [10:20:00] | hybridsto: | just making sure, gezz |
| [10:20:30] | Dagmar: | That's not a sane way to "make sure" by using *me* the guy who is telling you it's a PVR-150 as a means of clarification. |
| [10:21:37] | hads: | Nothing involving #mythtv-users is sane :) |
| [10:21:42] | hybridsto: | well I can only assume you know more about the card then I do as this is the first mythtv system, first tv tuner card for that matter |
| [10:21:49] | directhex|work: | nothing involving users is sane |
| [10:21:54] | Dagmar: | So why do you think I told you it was a PVR-150 |
| [10:22:23] | Dagmar: | Enough of this. Check you syslog. |
| [10:22:34] | hybridsto: | I don't know, but I wanted to endure we where talking about the same thing before I tried anything else on it |
| [10:23:07] | hybridsto: | anyway, when I do "modprobe ivtv" I get no errors |
| [10:23:13] | hybridsto: | how do I check the log |
| [10:23:20] | hybridsto: | +? |
| [10:23:21] | Dagmar: | You open /var/log/syslog in an editor and look at it. |
| [10:23:35] | hads: | Heh, a 90FPS webcam. |
| [10:23:36] | Dagmar: | ...and possibly Google up some basic Linux administrator tutorials. |
| [10:24:02] | hybridsto: | I know how to look at the file, I just wanted the location |
| [10:24:13] | hybridsto: | I forgot about locate |
| [10:24:36] | hads: | hybridsto: syslog is a standard sort of think in *nix |
| [10:24:45] | Dagmar: | Like locatedb does a bit of good if you have no idea what you're looking for. |
| [10:24:57] | vfrex: | think its in a different spot in FreeBSD though. confused me for the longest time! |
| [10:25:12] | hybridsto: | you told me what it was, that should be all I needed to know |
| [10:25:28] | Dagmar: | ffs |
| [10:25:41] | Dagmar: | If I had told you "Look at your system logs" what then? |
| [10:25:45] | Dagmar: | Stop fucking arguing. |
| [10:25:53] | hads: | Chill Dagmar |
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| [10:29:14] | hybridsto: | can I paste in here? |
| [10:29:19] | hads: | No |
| [10:29:24] | hybridsto: | ok |
| [10:29:39] | hads: | /topic |
| [10:29:42] | siXy: | rafb.net |
| [10:29:57] | hybridsto: | http://pastebin.ca/583381 |
| [10:30:13] | hybridsto: | that seems to be the issue part, seems to be an issue with the firmware |
| [10:33:13] | hybridsto: | http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/ |
| [10:33:26] | hybridsto: | I think that should fix it |
| [10:33:47] | Dagmar: | Following the ivtv driver installation instructions will fix it. |
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| [10:48:06] | vfrex: | ok, last newbie question from me today. Happauge PVR 150 vs WinTV-GO on a 1.6–1.8 Ghz Sempron. That should be ample power to playback while recording? |
| [10:48:40] | pat_: | simple answer is to not bother with a framegrabber if you can afford it |
| [10:48:42] | Dagmar: | Could you make the question make sense, please? |
| [10:49:33] | vfrex: | which part of it didn't make sense? |
| [10:49:48] | Dagmar: | The fact that you're asking two apparently unrelated questions |
| [10:50:39] | ** hads stabs RFID ** | |
| [10:50:44] | vfrex: | Ok, the relation is that if the sempron can't handle playback while encoding through a software based process, it would be a default win to the PVR150 |
| [10:51:22] | Dagmar: | Dude, just don't use the framegrabber if a PVR-150 is an option. |
| [10:51:30] | hads: | Hardware encoding/receiving card > * |
| [10:51:37] | Dagmar: | Like, this is such a huge difference it shoudn't even be something you'll question |
| [10:51:55] | Dagmar: | Playback CPU usage is practically nothing compared to how resource hungry framegrabbing is. |
| [10:51:59] | vfrex: | heh, the documentation page seems to boost the software method a bit |
| [10:52:11] | Dagmar: | You have to be misreading. |
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| [10:52:57] | Dagmar: | I suspect you're misconstruing something based on that they're saying over and over that there's a seriously steep minimum hardware requirement for framegrabbing |
| [10:53:24] | Dagmar: | ...because people CONSTANTLY try it with less than that, or overload their framegrabbing machine, and whine about dropped frames and corrupted streams and waste a bunch of time. |
| [10:54:54] | Dagmar: | Then there is also http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evild . . . enkiller.jpg |
| [10:55:00] | Dagmar: | Think of the poor, poor kittens.. |
| [10:55:09] | vfrex: | LOL |
| [10:55:19] | Merlin83b: | lol |
| [10:55:22] | siXy: | LOL!!! |
| [10:55:52] | vfrex: | I would say thats partially why CPUFREQ matters here. This processor overclocks very well and its encoding performance gets an impressive boost over stock. But that said, this is not a point I'll argue. I'll go hardware ;) |
| [10:56:13] | Milosch: | hardware good |
| [10:56:23] | Dagmar: | If you're considering manually punching up or down the voltage to overclock, don't be a moron. |
| [10:56:32] | hads: | Hardware encoding/receiving card > * |
| [10:56:38] | Dagmar: | You're going to be doing something *VERY* CPU-intensive with this machine. |
| [10:57:00] | Dagmar: | A little giggle that would otherwise not bother a desktop is rather likely to result in whole gigabytes of garbage on your disk. |
| [10:57:04] | Milosch: | think of your poor cpu as the kitten |
| [10:57:09] | vfrex: | nah, I've moved from 1600 (stock) to ~1900 stable on stock voltage |
| [10:57:33] | vfrex: | and thats with 24–48 hours of prime95 going to test for stability |
| [10:57:41] | Dagmar: | ...and 3–6 months from now when you start experiencing random malfunctions, you'll find us remarkably unsympathetic. |
| [10:57:49] | Dagmar: | Big freaking deal. |
| [10:57:53] | Dagmar: | You ran it for 24 hours. |
| [10:58:09] | Dagmar: | I've got my box running on a 3200+ right now. |
| [10:58:27] | vfrex: | thats why load based overclocking makes sense, isn't it? Boost cpu performance when its needed, drop it when its not? |
| [10:58:31] | Dagmar: | With it commerical flagging and transcoding things to XviD, it's at 100% CPU probably 3/4 of the day or greater |
| [10:58:32] | Milosch: | same here, but i think my motherboard sucks |
| [10:58:34] | Dagmar: | ...every day of the week. |
| [10:58:42] | Dagmar: | No, that's exactly why overclocking is a dumb idea. |
| [10:59:03] | Dagmar: | This isn't like taking a lottery-style risk every once in awhile. |
| [10:59:11] | Dagmar: | This about taking a lottery-style risk over and over and over. |
| [10:59:29] | Dagmar: | Over time, the chances of it being a problem asymptotically approaches 1. |
| [10:59:46] | Dagmar: | MythTV usage is not like the usage a gaming kiddie puts on a machine |
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| [11:00:13] | Dagmar: | Run Prim95 for three months straight |
| [11:00:29] | Dagmar: | 24 hours is *nothing* |
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| [11:01:13] | vfrex: | I see your point, but why is your box running at 100% all the time? |
| [11:01:25] | vfrex: | are you recording around the clock? |
| [11:01:42] | Dagmar: | Because I record a lot of things |
| [11:02:00] | Dagmar: | ....and transcoding to XviD is not something that happens quickly. |
| [11:02:28] | vfrex: | fair enough |
| [11:02:33] | Dagmar: | You will soon learn that a decent transcode is seldom better than twice realtime |
| [11:02:42] | Dagmar: | i.e., 1 hour of video will take >2 hours to transcode |
| [11:03:55] | vfrex: | hard do your hard drives hold up? |
| [11:03:58] | vfrex: | *how |
| [11:04:30] | pat_: | they're in raid so I replace them when they die |
| [11:04:42] | pat_: | haven't lost one in a while though |
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| [11:05:45] | ** Dagmar smashes transcode's brains out using ffmpeg's skull ** | |
| [11:06:02] | Dagmar: | vfex: My hard drives never die. :) |
| [11:06:39] | ** Dagmar jumps up and down on the leftover parts of ffmpeg. ** | |
| [11:06:58] | vfrex: | lol |
| [11:07:40] | Dagmar: | Seriously. I keep fans on them, and monitor them constantly. |
| [11:08:06] | Dagmar: | They don't even get above 88F, and only occasionally bump up against 90F |
| [11:08:30] | vfrex: | I take it you don't buy that google study? |
| [11:08:45] | Dagmar: | What Google study |
| [11:08:47] | vfrex: | think it was google anyway that found that operating temperature doesn't play a factor in hard drive survival duration |
| [11:09:08] | Dagmar: | The temperature doesn't affect lifespan, but overheating WILL kill a drive just the same |
| [11:09:24] | Dagmar: | It'll kill it immediately, not just a few months sooner |
| [11:09:37] | Dagmar: | Repeated cooling and heating will kill 'em quicker just fine tho |
| [11:09:45] | vfrex: | hehe |
| [11:09:52] | vfrex: | I take it you have a separate frontend? |
| [11:09:55] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [11:10:10] | vfrex: | man, thats gotta sound like a jet engine? |
| [11:10:13] | Dagmar: | These drives don't change temperature more than 5 degrees |
| [11:10:16] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [11:11:46] | Dagmar: | I went through a lot of drive coolers before I found a model with reliable 80mm low-rotation fans |
| [11:12:14] | Dagmar: | low-rotation == less noise |
| [11:12:33] | vfrex: | ok, so they're not just case fans pointed in the direction of the hard drives :p |
| [11:12:38] | Dagmar: | ...and I've got so many rubber grommets in the thing it should probably feel loosely constructed |
| [11:12:42] | pat_: | I wonder whether it is cheaper to buy bigger hard drives or pay for the power to transcode all that tv to xvid over the duration of the life of the drives? |
| [11:12:43] | Dagmar: | Oh gods no |
| [11:13:05] | Dagmar: | pat_: Dunno. There was a guy in here a month or so ago wnating a script to batch transcode DVD ISOs |
| [11:13:11] | Dagmar: | He said he had just over 400 of them. |
| [11:13:29] | Dagmar: | I don't really see how that job was going to be able to finish before the end of the year |
| [11:13:53] | Dagmar: | Either way, it never hurts to have more free space. :) |
| [11:14:53] | vfrex: | thats right, i need to work a hard drive into this damn build. |
| [11:15:20] | vfrex: | always forget something ;) |
| [11:15:34] | Dagmar: | I need to find some ffmpeg/transcode devs and stab them inna face |
| [11:16:22] | janneg: | Dagmar: /join #ffmpeg |
| [11:16:31] | Dagmar: | Now there's an idea |
| [11:17:04] | Dagmar: | Because generally the latest ffmpeg and transcode will build fine |
| [11:17:08] | Dagmar: | ...but not today |
| [11:17:39] | vfrex: | work time. thanks for the help guys, I'll probably be back crying for help in a couple of weeks ;) later |
| [11:18:33] | Dagmar: | It's makin' me feel all "stabby" |
| [11:21:34] | hads: | Aparently there's going to be an openmoko announcement in the next little while. Cool. |
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| [11:26:56] | Dagmar: | It's probably going to be something along the lines of "Good News! the hardware is only going to cost $2,000 per unit!" |
| [11:32:02] | janneg: | Dagmar: stop that nonsense |
| [11:32:29] | Dagmar: | Awww what's the matter |
| [11:32:44] | Dagmar: | You think we're going to see fast + good + cheap ever?? |
| [11:33:01] | Dagmar: | You may only have TWO. All else ist verboten! |
| [11:33:26] | pat_: | I'll take fast + good |
| [11:33:46] | Dagmar: | They're more likely to announce they've accidentally found a way to make cheap flying cars. |
| [11:35:16] | pat_: | I'll take one of them too whilst I'm at it |
| [11:35:21] | siXy: | yeah.. |
| [11:35:58] | siXy: | in fact i woudlnt mind discovering a way to make viable flying cars – then i + my family could retire |
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| [11:36:34] | janneg: | Dagmar: ffmpeg builds here |
| [11:37:00] | janneg: | Dagmar: more likely they will announce another delay |
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| [11:46:05] | Dagmar: | janneg: ffmpeg isn't the problem |
| [11:46:11] | Dagmar: | Try building transcode 1.0.3 against it |
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| [11:59:53] | Dagmar: | Oh yay the damn thing built that time |
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| [12:39:45] | Dagmar: | Now for the acid test... |
| [12:39:56] | Dagmar: | Will nuvexport _actually_ work with these little rotters I just built |
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| [12:44:01] | blackest: | hi anyone about |
| [12:44:59] | blackest: | i've got a device /dev/avcap0 and i need to figure out a way to use it in mythtv the output is mpg2 |
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| [12:49:37] | keith4_: | blackest: is is V4L compat? |
| [12:50:03] | blackest: | nope |
| [12:50:23] | siXy: | thats going to be fun then :) |
| [12:50:40] | blackest: | completely unique but you can do things like mplayer /dev/avcap0 and it works |
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| [12:51:36] | siXy: | ah well thats easy then. do you want to use a normal tv tuner as well? |
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| [12:52:17] | blackest: | well i have other tuner cards this one will mainly be bringing in sattellite from an external box |
| [12:53:03] | siXy: | if so you can create a file with an unusla extension (eg vo.wierd) then go to mythvideo and set the play command for that extension to "mplayer /dev/acap0". this is a pretty ugly way to do it however :) you could try just adding it to the backends list of tuners |
| [12:54:04] | blackest: | any idea how i would add it to the backend ? |
| [12:54:20] | siXy: | mythtv-setup on computer backend is running on |
| [12:54:22] | keith4_: | make a new tuner, and just give it that path? |
| [12:54:53] | blackest: | any idea what might be compatable ? |
| [12:55:50] | blackest: | oh well i will have to work on this later work called ... |
| [13:08:55] | TSCHAKWerk: | HEYYYYYYYYYYY KIDS! |
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| [13:58:59] | Dagmar: | ONOES! Zap2it is leeving! |
| [14:01:07] | siXy: | Dagmar: yep. cries of woe abound on forums across the globe |
| [14:01:48] | directhex|work: | siXy, across the globe? zap2it's for yanks! |
| [14:03:27] | keith4_: | acorss the continent, then |
| [14:04:08] | Dagmar: | Without us you'd have no excessively violent films so just stfu |
| [14:04:26] | anykey_: | without you we'd have no things like dcma :p |
| [14:04:30] | directhex|work: | Dagmar, not seen any jap movies? |
| [14:04:44] | keith4_: | ooh, good one anykey_ |
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| [14:09:36] | Dagmar: | directhex|work: We have them so beat in volume. |
| [14:10:01] | Dagmar: | ...and as far as porn is concerned, US > * |
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| [14:11:27] | Dagmar: | Man it's a good thing I love compiling packages over nad over and over |
| [14:13:13] | TSCHAKWerk: | i dunno, I love mixing in nice dashes of japanese, german, and swedish porn. |
| [14:13:32] | TSCHAKWerk: | the sicker the better. |
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| [14:16:20] | directhex|work: | nothing beats high quality made-for-tv british porn! |
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| [14:16:26] | laga: | re |
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| [14:17:38] | Dagmar: | I've seen your people's porn. |
| [14:17:44] | Dagmar: | It's a wonder you haven't died out. |
| [14:18:19] | juski: | don't look at the mantelpiece when you poke the fire :) |
| [14:18:28] | fryfrog: | bwhahahha |
| [14:18:32] | Dagmar: | lol |
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| [14:26:20] | TSCHAKWerk: | haha |
| [14:28:18] | hugolp: | hi |
| [14:28:33] | hugolp: | has anyone look at this for improving mythweb? |
| [14:28:36] | hugolp: | http://jinzora.com/ |
| [14:28:44] | hugolp: | is gpl and streams video and audio |
| [14:28:49] | hugolp: | to a web |
| [14:29:00] | juski: | I haven't seen any patches for mythweb with hugolp's name on |
| [14:29:03] | laga: | we already have flash streaming in svn trunk |
| [14:30:02] | hugolp: | juski: ... |
| [14:30:17] | hugolp: | laga I dindtn know I heard time ago you where looking for this |
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| [14:39:00] | laga: | was i? :) |
| [14:39:07] | laga: | flash streaming is enough for me |
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| [14:40:14] | hugolp: | no, I read that this project was looking for a way to stream audio and video through web |
| [14:40:20] | hugolp: | I didnt know it was alredy done |
| [14:40:39] | hugolp: | anyway next time I see something that can be useful I know where I wont suggested |
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| [14:41:30] | mkrufky: | hugolp: please do not judge an entire community based on the words of one person in a chat room |
| [14:41:45] | mkrufky: | hugolp: also, i doubt they meant any offense |
| [14:42:07] | mkrufky: | hugolp: this is online chat — people are too busy to think about being polite ;-) |
| [14:42:37] | hugolp: | mkrufky: fine |
| [14:43:43] | Beirdo: | yay, forced autoconf to check for libc-client finally |
| [14:43:50] | Beirdo: | hack-a-riffic |
| [14:44:27] | mkrufky: | survey: any americans have devices using the s5h1409 atsc demod? |
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| [14:45:02] | Dagmar: | Wow someone is thin-skinned |
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| [14:59:50] | sebrock: | I configured the frontend to the wrong DB IP, where is this setting stored? |
| [15:00:13] | directhex|work: | mysql.txt |
| [15:00:23] | directhex|work: | in /etc/mythtv or ~/.mythtv |
| [15:00:25] | sebrock: | tnx |
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| [15:10:18] | wastrel: | yo peeps |
| [15:10:28] | ben_goodger: | er, yo |
| [15:11:06] | keith4_: | peeps are made in town where i live |
| [15:11:09] | wastrel: | er |
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| [15:11:21] | wastrel: | i don't really care for them. my girlfriend likes them though |
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| [15:11:32] | keith4_: | their website is obnoxious |
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| [15:11:45] | wastrel: | something for the kids |
| [15:12:17] | ** mkrufky loves 'em ** | |
| [15:12:34] | mkrufky: | but cadbury eggs are WAY better |
| [15:13:16] | Dagmar: | Yeah but you can't get many kids for cadbury eggs without ordering cases of the things |
| [15:13:36] | Dagmar: | Ah bugger I messed that one up |
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| [15:13:55] | mkrufky: | i wish i ordered cases of those this year...... nyc had a shortage of cadbury eggs, and i can't get enough of them |
| [15:14:04] | Dagmar: | I wondered WTF was up with that |
| [15:14:12] | Dagmar: | I'm used to seeing a wide selection of the things around in stores |
| [15:14:32] | wastrel: | mkrufky: nyc ! yes! |
| [15:14:32] | ben_goodger: | mkrufky: you should come to the UK, we have huge warehouses of them |
| [15:14:32] | mkrufky: | yeah.... this year i only saw the classic flavor ... and that was only if i was lucky ..... |
| [15:14:41] | wastrel: | mkrufky: they never seem to have enough. |
| [15:14:48] | wastrel: | actually last year was worse |
| [15:14:52] | mkrufky: | wastrel: but this year in particular |
| [15:14:58] | wastrel: | but this year they were scarce too |
| [15:15:03] | mkrufky: | nah, last year i bought a whole bunch and stocked them in my freezer |
| [15:15:06] | wastrel: | heh i guess it depends where you are |
| [15:15:10] | mkrufky: | u ever eat one frozen??? AWESOME |
| [15:15:10] | wastrel: | smrt |
| [15:15:19] | wastrel: | will keep in mind for nextyear |
| [15:15:24] | mkrufky: | im in brooklyn, how about u? |
| [15:15:28] | Dagmar: | ...to the point where *after* easter I tend to spend about $20 and get a disgusting amount of the things to save |
| [15:15:35] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [15:15:42] | directhex|work: | cadbury's cream eggs aren't in short supply |
| [15:15:50] | directhex|work: | they have vats of the bloody things everywhere |
| [15:15:52] | Dagmar: | BUt there was like nothin' wounr here this year |
| [15:15:54] | Merlin83b: | Neither a Creme eggs ;-) |
| [15:16:00] | mkrufky: | well, then somebody forgot to send them to NYC |
| [15:16:01] | Dagmar: | *drools* |
| [15:16:02] | Merlin83b: | Mmm, creme eggs |
| [15:16:14] | Dagmar: | They had to have had a manuf shortage or somethin' |
| [15:17:03] | mkrufky: | that's ok — send a pallette to my house... i'll be sure to not let them go to waste ;-) |
| [15:17:23] | ben_goodger: | mkrufky: a palette of how many eggs? |
| [15:17:35] | directhex|work: | Dagmar, or they just don't ship many to yankland |
| [15:17:41] | mkrufky: | lol i dunno, im just joking... im getting fat, better for me to stay away |
| [15:17:42] | directhex|work: | Dagmar, i've been to the factory, as it happens |
| [15:17:44] | RyeBrye: | Darn... My mythbackend lost its network connection to my wireless router... |
| [15:17:50] | wastrel: | mkrufky: brooklyn also, carroll gardens. but i was getting mine near work in the 30's |
| [15:17:56] | RyeBrye: | I need to map an Fkey to do /sbin/service network restart so I can have my wife hit one key for me |
| [15:17:57] | Dagmar: | Oh they ship them to yankland |
| [15:18:02] | Dagmar: | They even make some of them here |
| [15:18:03] | mkrufky: | lol, im on the last stop of the R line, wastrel |
| [15:18:04] | RyeBrye: | instead of having to have her reboot the machine :) |
| [15:18:11] | dburr: | Does anyone know how can I "blacklist" a removable device so that mythgallery doesn't try to display it and so it doesn't show up in the eject menu? I have a machine which mounts /usr off a flash drive but every time mythtv starts up, mythgallery finds it and tries to display it |
| [15:18:12] | ben_goodger: | hmm, I was going to give you a quote |
| [15:18:19] | dburr: | I've been to the Cadbury factory in Australia |
| [15:18:40] | mkrufky: | lol, u serious ben_goodger ? |
| [15:19:21] | directhex|work: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bournville#Cadbury |
| [15:21:31] | sebrock: | ok next question, where are the key mappings located? |
| [15:21:41] | juski: | in the database, with everything else! |
| [15:22:04] | Dagmar: | Available through MythControls, which is something you'd know about if you even glanced at the docs |
| [15:22:06] | Dagmar: | hinthinthint |
| [15:22:14] | juski: | or mythweb. don't forget mythweb! |
| [15:22:30] | rsdvd: | Juski : di dyou ever do anything with your idea for a channel database thingy? |
| [15:22:36] | ben_goodger: | mkrufky: indeedy. it would be quite expensive since I can only get them retail and they cost about 38p (~75¢) each here, but I could probably get some for you |
| [15:22:40] | sebrock: | I am searching the wiki for; keymap, mappings, keys but that gives nothing |
| [15:22:45] | juski: | rsdvd: nope, and now it's unlikely I'll ever finish it |
| [15:22:57] | ben_goodger: | I have also been to the factory B) |
| [15:23:17] | rsdvd: | why "now" unlikely....something happend I ahve missed? |
| [15:23:46] | mkrufky: | ben_goodger: lol... . OK... well, I will keep it in mind. No orders today, though. :-) |
| [15:23:50] | juski: | rsdvd: I can't be arsed – got way more than enough on my plate |
| [15:24:00] | rsdvd: | LOL – ok |
| [15:24:12] | juski: | sebrock: I just searched the wiki for "keyboard mapping" and found this as the 12th hit.. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Keybindings |
| [15:24:21] | juski: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Special: . . . ap&go=Go |
| [15:24:26] | juski: | muhhhhhhhhh |
| [15:24:42] | juski: | #mythtv-users, the official mythtv wiki search engine! |
| [15:24:45] | ** Beirdo does a little dance... beirdobot v0.2 released today ** | |
| [15:24:51] | sebrock: | 12th hit.. hmm worst wiki search ever :D |
| [15:25:10] | juski: | !trout sebrock ignorant |
| [15:25:10] | ** MythLogBot slaps sebrock with a ignorant trout on behalf of juski... ** | |
| [15:25:26] | sebrock: | grrr |
| [15:25:55] | Beirdo: | welcome to IRC, sebrock :) |
| [15:26:29] | juski: | come on – the info is out there, you just have to expand your mind a bit & look for synonyms & READ the results |
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| [15:26:42] | juski: | oh wait there I go again being evil suggesting people read stuff |
| [15:28:10] | Beirdo: | the nerve :) |
| [15:28:44] | ben_goodger: | juski: naughty |
| [15:28:47] | juski: | look on the bright side – you're not gonna see me in here at all tomorrow! |
| [15:29:06] | Beirdo: | taking a vacation? |
| [15:29:18] | juski: | going out drinking all day, all night |
| [15:29:30] | Beirdo: | :) OK, that qualifies |
| [15:29:45] | keith4_: | nice |
| [15:30:00] | juski: | hopefully kill off what little nicotine cravings I have left.. it's a pisser that I still want a cig after 8 weeks |
| [15:30:40] | juski: | so yeah I know the chemical addiction goes away after 2 days.. right. so far so good. as for the psychological dependency.. hmmm |
| [15:30:52] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah. |
| [15:30:58] | mkrufky: | juski: smoke a blunt |
| [15:31:03] | juski: | pfft |
| [15:31:07] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [15:31:07] | juski: | drugs are for stoners |
| [15:31:12] | mkrufky: | 8-) |
| [15:31:22] | Beirdo: | I wish the chemical addiction to caffeine disappeared that quickly |
| [15:31:37] | mkrufky: | i can do just fine without caffeine on weekends |
| [15:31:40] | juski: | I used to take acid a while ago – maybe I can truly blame that for my IRC psychosis |
| [15:31:41] | Beirdo: | more like 2–3 weeks on that one. and they are HELLISH weeks |
| [15:31:49] | dburr: | mkrufky: you are the bluebird-xc guy right? If so, you just went up another level in my books |
| [15:31:54] | ben_goodger: | Beirdo: fortunately, one can ween oneself off caffeine |
| [15:32:04] | Dagmar: | Pfft. |
| [15:32:09] | Beirdo: | ben_goodger, heh, not completely |
| [15:32:12] | Dagmar: | You can also drive the speed limit. |
| [15:32:14] | Dagmar: | Bugger that. |
| [15:32:25] | juski: | but – can anybody suggest a good way to block out linux geek body & breath odour? |
| [15:32:27] | ben_goodger: | Dagmar: where do you live? |
| [15:32:30] | Beirdo: | it has something to do with LOVING the taste of coffee |
| [15:32:34] | mkrufky: | dburr: yep — thats me |
| [15:32:38] | Beirdo: | juski, gas mask |
| [15:32:38] | ben_goodger: | juski: shower and toothbrush? |
| [15:32:39] | juski: | gonna be meeting a lot of stink at LRL |
| [15:32:51] | mkrufky: | dburr: sssssssssh! stupid me shouldnt say things like that in logged #channels |
| [15:32:52] | Dagmar: | ben_goodger: not in London, to be sure |
| [15:32:55] | juski: | maybe I should just tell them they stink, unceremoniously |
| [15:33:06] | Dagmar: | juski: Smear patchouli under your nose |
| [15:33:16] | ben_goodger: | Dagmar: ah, UK then. I was going to make a somewhat jingoistic joke about the UK speed limit |
| [15:33:17] | Dagmar: | Or maybe use some of that bannanna stuff they use at the coroners |
| [15:33:24] | Beirdo: | "jeez you stink... install mythtv" |
| [15:33:24] | juski: | they violate my human right to clean air! |
| [15:33:46] | mkrufky: | dburr: so, do you have a dvb-t nano or a dd4 ? .... and which country do you live in? |
| [15:33:51] | juski: | I wouldn't care but some of them can be overpowering at more than an arm's length away |
| [15:33:58] | Beirdo: | jeez, the puppy's snoring?! |
| [15:34:26] | juski: | at least it's not just linux geeks. I was overpowered by pong at Bowlers the other week too |
| [15:34:29] | dburr: | mkrufky: Not registered so no PM. But to answer your questions: DD4, AU |
| [15:34:45] | mkrufky: | dburr: that's fine — i didn't PM you. |
| [15:34:59] | mkrufky: | dburr: ah, and that other guy's AU firmware is working with my code well? |
| [15:35:00] | ** juski considers buying a programmable dot matrix sign t-shirt ** | |
| [15:35:11] | ben_goodger: | juski: don't bother, they're shite |
| [15:35:15] | juski: | press '1' for "you stink!" |
| [15:35:40] | juski: | ah well so much for the great revolution in wearable electronics |
| [15:35:47] | mkrufky: | dburr: i intend to finally integrate the AU support into xc-bluebird.patch .... now i finally have the atsc version of that hardware, too ... FusionHDTV5 USB NANO |
| [15:36:15] | juski: | hey my mate who got me into mythtv in the 1st place – he's going back to mythtv. spoke to him today & he's somewhat surprised at the sight of my commits lol |
| [15:36:17] | dburr: | mkrufky: Yep. Roger's fw works with v4l-dvb + your patch and also with straight v4l-dvb-experimental |
| [15:36:18] | mkrufky: | they tricked me — it uses a s5h1409 instead of a lgdt3303 — luckily, i've got a driver halfway written already |
| [15:36:38] | mkrufky: | dburr: stay away from the v4l-dvb-experimental |
| [15:36:40] | janneg: | mplayer has a matrix like video output |
| [15:36:58] | juski: | aalib or something that innit |
| [15:37:12] | janneg: | yes |
| [15:38:01] | Beirdo: | oy... time to add sighup support to the bot. |
| [15:38:06] | juski: | I'm still waiting for emo-wide – the Matrix-style theme for mythtv |
| [15:38:08] | Beirdo: | this will NOT be easy |
| [15:38:40] | dburr: | mkrufky: For technical or personal reasons ;) ? I spent some time on the dvb ML so I would understand |
| [15:39:02] | juski: | upcoming recordings are in green, current recordings are in green, conflicts are in green.. playlist items are in .. green :-P |
| [15:39:08] | mkrufky: | dburr: ugh.,.. i didnt mean it to sound that way.......... |
| [15:40:10] | mkrufky: | dburr: think of the external patch + v4l-dvb master method as the most 'forward-compatible' method..... |
| [15:40:30] | mkrufky: | dburr: i wrote the support for your device, and i am only maintaining the patches against master |
| [15:40:51] | juski: | !trout Firefox useless-PoS |
| [15:40:51] | ** MythLogBot slaps Firefox with a useless-PoS trout on behalf of juski... ** | |
| [15:41:04] | mkrufky: | but there are benefits to using the experimental tree if you have certain other hardware |
| [15:41:27] | juski: | mkrufky: after LRL I might just get around to doing some more testing with my pvr2000 card! |
| [15:41:32] | juski: | *might* |
| [15:41:43] | juski: | I hope so – hate leaving stuff unfinished |
| [15:41:48] | mkrufky: | juski: i had a patch waiting for you to test, but i dont recall where i threw it |
| [15:42:11] | mkrufky: | somewhere in http://linuxtv.org/~mkrufky/{some patch for juski}.patch |
| [15:42:12] | juski: | blimmin themes & cruft getting in the damn way the whole time :) |
| [15:42:22] | dburr: | mkrufky: I understand that and I am actually running v4l-dvb + xc-bluebird.patch + AU mods. I just found -experimental was easier to work with when I was trying to get things going then I created a patch against master |
| [15:42:59] | mkrufky: | dburr: hmmmm.... what does your patch against master look like? is it much different than mine + roger? |
| [15:43:37] | mkrufky: | dburr: i am curious .... can you email the patch to (my irc nick) at linuxtv dot org? |
| [15:44:27] | dburr: | mkrufky: It was basically Roger's patch with some extra ZL registers being set. I'll dig it up and e-mail it |
| [15:44:35] | mkrufky: | cool. thanks |
| [15:47:24] | mkrufky: | dburr: are you a programmer, by any chance? |
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| [15:48:50] | dburr: | mkrufky: Yep, embedded systems engineer |
| [15:49:02] | dburr: | mkrufky: Still looking for the patch |
| [15:49:13] | mkrufky: | are you interested in improving support for your device? if so, i have a job for you |
| [15:49:28] | mkrufky: | (job w/ no pay ... volunteer ) |
| [15:50:32] | dburr: | mkrufky: Sure, what's lacking from it? |
| [15:50:34] | Beirdo: | OMG, I got a bitchin headache |
| [15:50:58] | mkrufky: | dburr: well, a problem right now is lacking a good spec for the zl10353.... |
| [15:51:19] | Beirdo: | who makes that? |
| [15:51:21] | mkrufky: | dburr: as a result, we had to add that zl353 gpio reset function in cxusb.c — certainly does not belong there |
| [15:51:24] | Beirdo: | is that Zarlink? |
| [15:51:32] | mkrufky: | Beirdo: originally zarlink, now intel |
| [15:51:57] | Beirdo: | ahh, too bad my contact at Zarlink moved on, I'm sure he would be happy to help if he were still there |
| [15:52:11] | mkrufky: | dburr: if you could help to move that code into zl10353.c , and have it conditional based ona setting in the zl10353_config struct, it would be a great help in mertging that driver into the official sources |
| [15:52:27] | mkrufky: | dburr: i believe the correct function in zl10353.c is set_frontend |
| [15:52:53] | mkrufky: | Beirdo: yeah... i think some people managed to find a spec, but i've only heard that the spec itself sucks |
| [15:53:29] | mkrufky: | Beirdo: and i'm in ntsc/atsc-land, so it's rather difficult for me to hack this around..... remote pc's arent always available in AU when i need them :-) |
| [15:54:23] | mkrufky: | dburr: it's just a matter of understanding those register writes and conditionizing the init sequence inside zl10353.c |
| [15:54:28] | dburr: | cxusb_xc3028_zl353_gpio_reset? |
| [15:54:33] | mkrufky: | dburr: yes |
| [15:54:37] | Beirdo: | ain't that the truth |
| [15:54:53] | Beirdo: | so if dburr is up for helping out, you could well get it done easier :) |
| [15:55:10] | dburr: | mkrufky: That doesn't do anything for the AU version, so the conditional will need to eval to false if it's in AU mode |
| [15:55:16] | mkrufky: | dburr: that function is a hack — it'spart of a callback into the xc3028-fe driver..... xc3028 knows it needs a reset, and after that firmware download + reset, it wants to reset thew demod |
| [15:55:23] | mkrufky: | dburr: argh ... |
| [15:55:32] | Beirdo: | xc3028? isn't that an FPGA? |
| [15:55:44] | mkrufky: | nope.. it's a silicon multi-std tuner, Beirdo |
| [15:55:54] | mkrufky: | Beirdo: supports everything EXCEPT QAM256 |
| [15:56:15] | Beirdo: | sounds like the part id of a Xilinx FPGA to me :) |
| [15:56:21] | ** laga chucks a wireless mouse at beirdo ** | |
| [15:56:31] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [15:56:39] | Beirdo: | heh, thanks, laga |
| [15:56:57] | mkrufky: | dburr: tbh, i havent taken close enough look at the AU fixup patch |
| [15:57:13] | mkrufky: | dburr: but it works for both au and non-au in the experimental tree????? |
| [15:57:27] | mkrufky: | dburr: ...or do you still need roger's patch against experimental? |
| [15:58:52] | dburr: | mkrufky: No, my patch from http://marc.info/?l=linux-dvb&m=117854857530700&w=2 is for experimental |
| [15:59:26] | mkrufky: | aha! i remember seeing this |
| [15:59:54] | mkrufky: | so, this breaks it for non-AU users :-/ |
| [16:00:23] | dburr: | mkrufky: Seems that the changes I made to Roger's patch against master were unnecessary once we used the new firmware |
| [16:00:40] | dburr: | mkrufky: Yes, I had a later patch with an #ifdef AUSTRALIA |
| [16:01:00] | mkrufky: | lol... this makes it all so confusing for me |
| [16:01:20] | dburr: | mkrufky: Was going to change it to an insmod parameter but then have been busy getting MythTV going (hence why I am here :) |
| [16:01:29] | mkrufky: | what I want to do, is incorporate the changes needed into xc-bluebird.patch, so that users will have an easier time dealing with this |
| [16:02:10] | mkrufky: | oh man.... i totally forgot that roger asked me for remote support, and i forgot to send that patch to him to test! |
| [16:02:33] | mkrufky: | dburr: which remote comes with the dd4? is it the grey one or the black one? |
| [16:02:40] | mkrufky: | .... or it is the white one? |
| [16:03:19] | dburr: | mkrufky: Black crap one |
| [16:04:39] | dburr: | I like the iMON one better but I hope to be getting one of those Logitech monstrocities soon |
| [16:04:43] | mkrufky: | dburr: not this one, right? http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/products/HDTVRemote.aspx |
| [16:05:33] | fryfrog: | dburr: which one? I just got a 670 for my parents and have a 688 for myself |
| [16:05:55] | fryfrog: | i seem to have found the one mildly annoying part of rear projection TVs... they turn on real slow :/ |
| [16:06:47] | Merlin83b: | Which is a minor inconvenience compared to the viewing angle issues. |
| [16:07:13] | dburr: | mkrufky: Mine looks identical except that the buttons are more purple than blue. Harmony 720 (one remote to rule them all) |
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| [16:08:09] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [16:08:26] | fryfrog: | Costco had the 730 for like $130 and I wish we had gotten that |
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| [16:08:43] | fryfrog: | the 670 was like $110, so $20–30 more for a color LCD and a nicer look would have been nice |
| [16:08:55] | fryfrog: | what i dont get is... where did all their sub $100 remotes go? |
| [16:09:04] | fryfrog: | my 688 was like $60 or $70 tops |
| [16:09:12] | mkrufky: | dburr: but is the dvico remote that came with the dd4 the same as the dvico mce remote shown in that photo? (if the buttons are slightly diff colored, it doesnt matter) |
| [16:09:18] | dburr: | 720 is like $AUD400! That's ~$US300 |
| [16:09:43] | dburr: | mkrufky: As I said, yes, identical, except for the button colour |
| [16:10:28] | mkrufky: | ah, ok... well, if you're interested, we can probably make that remote work right now |
| [16:10:33] | fryfrog: | their model #s don't really line up well, i am not sure if the "730" is one above the "720" |
| [16:11:22] | dburr: | I can't really test the DD4 remote support because my backend is on a different machine to my frontend where I have IR set up |
| [16:11:41] | mkrufky: | dburr: ok, no prob |
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| [16:16:37] | dburr: | mkrufky: Problem: cxusb_cx3028_zl353_gpio uses cxusb_bluebird_gpio which is also used by cxusb.ko so it will need to be exported, right? |
| [16:16:58] | mkrufky: | ?? why? |
| [16:17:25] | mkrufky: | the gpio call is local to cxusb only |
| [16:17:39] | mkrufky: | those i2c writes need to be moved into zl10353, intelligently |
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| [16:18:03] | mkrufky: | and then they could simple be eliminated from the cxusb callback, because the dvb subsystem calls set_frontend |
| [16:18:09] | mkrufky: | s/simple/simplY |
| [16:18:17] | sebrock: | after running xmltv grabber, is there anything else except channel nr that needs to be edited? No channels working for me |
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| [16:21:15] | dburr: | I'm sorry, I don't follow you. cxusb.ko uses it in cxusb_dualdig4_frontend_attach (so yes, local) but cxusb_xc3028_zl353_gpio_reset also needs it. If that fn moves to zl1053.ko then it needs to be able to access the function from cxusb.ko |
| [16:22:05] | dburr: | Are you saying that another function should be added to zl1053 that does a similar thing? |
| [16:22:53] | mkrufky: | dburr: i am saying that the i2c writes _only_ from inside cxusb_xc3028_zl353_gpio_reset should be moved into zl10353_set_frontend |
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| [16:23:46] | Dagmar: | Well, cxusb tells a different story |
| [16:24:24] | mkrufky: | dburr: oops, i meant, "zl10353_set_parameters" |
| [16:24:40] | mkrufky: | what do u mean, Dagmar? |
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| [16:25:28] | Dagmar: | Never mind. It was a deliberate seque attack |
| [16:25:42] | mkrufky: | hehe ok |
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| [16:26:37] | dburr: | mkrufky: I think I follow you. You want a conditional to be set in c_x_z_gpio_reset then when zl1053.ko gets attached it will do the i2c init in there instead |
| [16:26:48] | mkrufky: | no |
| [16:26:57] | mkrufky: | cxusb should not be writing to the zl10353 |
| [16:27:07] | fryfrog: | There is quite truely nothing better than |
| [16:27:07] | fryfrog: | channel nr that needs to be edited? No channels working for |
| [16:27:08] | mkrufky: | cxusb is currently writing to the zl10353, as a hack, and it works |
| [16:27:16] | mkrufky: | but that code must be moved into zl10353.c |
| [16:27:29] | mkrufky: | btu the gpio calls are not to be moved — they remain where they are |
| [16:27:34] | dburr: | That's what I'm saying. cxusb currently does the i2c writes to the ZL. Instead of doing the writes in c_x_z_gpio_reset, a conditional gets set |
| [16:27:44] | dburr: | And the zl1053 does the writing instead |
| [16:27:56] | mkrufky: | well, it's too late to set the conditonal over there |
| [16:28:12] | mkrufky: | instead, the setting would be passed to the demod driver thru zl10353_config |
| [16:28:20] | mkrufky: | in the zl10353_attach() call |
| [16:28:43] | dburr: | Too late to set the conditional where? In cxusb? |
| [16:29:14] | mkrufky: | it's possible that i may have not made sense here.... i will start again from the begining. |
| [16:29:17] | sebrock: | Dagmar, u using XMLTV |
| [16:29:25] | sebrock: | I need some help on this |
| [16:29:29] | ** dburr says "In the beginning" ** | |
| [16:29:48] | ** Dagmar points to Google for anything that doesn't involve labs.zap2it.com ** | |
| [16:29:51] | ** dburr says "there was the void*" ** | |
| [16:29:56] | sebrock: | hm ok |
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| [16:30:47] | mkrufky: | there is init code that runs in zl10353_set_params ... this same code was copied into the c_x_z_gpio_reset and altered slightly ..... the duplicated (altered) should NOT be seen inside cxusb.c .... the dvb core will always call zl10353_set_params .... this function just needs to learn about the hack we're doing inside c_x_z_gpio_reset , so that we can remove it from c_x_z_gpio_reset |
| [16:31:20] | mkrufky: | and in order to tell zl10353 which method to use, you can make a setting in the zl10353_config struct |
| [16:31:47] | dburr: | Yes, and where does that setting in the zl1053_config struct get set? |
| [16:32:23] | mkrufky: | thats the point — the setting doesnt exist yet |
| [16:32:41] | dburr: | Yes, it is easy to make the setting exist. But where does it get set? |
| [16:32:46] | mkrufky: | if i had a nice datasheet, i would have liked to take care of that |
| [16:32:55] | mkrufky: | oh |
| [16:32:58] | mkrufky: | that is set in cxusb |
| [16:33:08] | dburr: | In c_x_z_gpio_reset? |
| [16:33:26] | mkrufky: | if you look at the dualdig4_frontend_attach function, is passes a struct zl10353_config to the zl10353_attach function |
| [16:33:43] | mkrufky: | that struct zl10353_config is declared above that |
| [16:33:47] | RyeBrye: | how can I revert to an older revision of a file in svn? |
| [16:33:51] | dburr: | _Right_ |
| [16:34:06] | dburr: | I a specific revision or to the last known checkout version? |
| [16:34:35] | RyeBrye: | nm – specific revision.. svn update file -r revnumber right? |
| [16:35:10] | RyeBrye: | hmm... svn update configure -r 16381 didn't work |
| [16:35:20] | dburr: | svn update -r 16381 configure |
| [16:35:26] | RyeBrye: | oh, gotcha :) |
| [16:35:29] | RyeBrye: | I'm parameter dyslexic |
| [16:35:53] | dburr: | The -r parameter is specific to the update command. It's a hangover from cvs I guess |
| [16:36:42] | RyeBrye: | hmmm... didn't work :( |
| [16:36:51] | RyeBrye: | svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/!svn/vcc/default' |
| [16:36:51] | RyeBrye: | svn: No such revision 16380 |
| [16:37:05] | ** RyeBrye is doing someting wrong? ** | |
| [16:37:47] | dburr: | Sounds like you are trying to update to a revision that does not exist |
| [16:38:30] | RyeBrye: | Must be that I never checked out that revision... |
| [16:38:37] | RyeBrye: | I'll delete the file andcheck out the revision I want |
| [16:39:00] | dburr: | You could always use a web interface to the repo |
| [16:42:45] | RyeBrye: | yeah... |
| [16:43:36] | RyeBrye: | I'm working on getting the OS X frontend to work – the osx-packager script and teh default config script disable all video output for the OSX frontend |
| [16:43:53] | RyeBrye: | IT compiles, but with no video support it doesn't do much :) |
| [16:47:36] | dburr: | mkrufky: What do you think about using the no_tuner parameter? (no pll is connected to the secondary i2c bus). Only the DD4 seems to have it set |
| [16:49:06] | dburr: | mkrufky: Actually, I retract that. gl861 seems to use it. |
| [16:49:36] | mkrufky: | dburr: it's used in cx88-dvb also |
| [16:49:55] | mkrufky: | dburr: we should not use some old param for this new functionality — we should create a new one |
| [16:50:37] | mkrufky: | either that, or figure out what's wrong with the current init sequence such that it works in some places and not others |
| [16:50:54] | RyeBrye: | http://pastebin.ca/584130 – does QT have an X11 flag to enable? |
| [16:50:54] | RyeBrye: | the configure has x11 for darwin turned off, if I turn it on, it fails at this step |
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| [17:15:08] | RyeBrye: | !seen nigel |
| [17:15:09] | MythLogBot: | nigel has not been seen here |
| [17:15:09] | RyeBrye: | no seen :( |
| [17:15:09] | laga: | !open eyes? |
| [17:15:09] | RyeBrye: | I was wondering if he's ever on IRC |
| [17:15:09] | Grecko: | laga: hehe.... |
| [17:15:09] | ** RyeBrye has burning OSX questions, and he seems to be the one who maintains the osx-packager ** | |
| [17:15:09] | RyeBrye: | bots that do seen will tell you when a person was last on.. etc |
| [17:15:09] | laga: | i know what !seen is ;) |
| [17:15:09] | laga: | i was just kidding |
| [17:15:09] | RyeBrye: | !trout himself 'you-don't-do-seen' |
| [17:15:09] | ** MythLogBot slaps himself with a 'you-don't-do-seen' trout on behalf of RyeBrye... ** | |
| [17:15:09] | RyeBrye: | !trout RyeBrye |
| [17:15:09] | ** MythLogBot slaps RyeBrye with a trout on behalf of RyeBrye... ** | |
| [17:15:09] | RyeBrye: | is bot dead? |
| [17:15:15] | RyeBrye: | Oh, I just trouted myself! |
| [17:16:18] | laga: | hehe |
| [17:16:23] | laga: | !seen gardengnome |
| [17:16:23] | MythLogBot: | gardengnome was last seen 15 days 2 hours 42 minutes 42 seconds ago |
| [17:16:26] | RyeBrye: | It no like me |
| [17:16:31] | sebrock: | does anyone know why there is a Input/output error on a mounted NFS share... it works to mount from macos... |
| [17:17:08] | RyeBrye: | !seen RyeBrye |
| [17:17:08] | MythLogBot: | RyeBrye is here and has been idle for 42 seconds |
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| [17:26:29] | RyeBrye: | http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/ "the board has no forums" |
| [17:26:31] | RyeBrye: | strange |
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| [17:26:47] | wastrel: | husky |
| [17:27:10] | GreyFoxx: | Rye: Not suprising :) |
| [17:27:56] | RyeBrye: | Yea, but in their announcement: "We anticipate this decision will generate discussion and invite you to respond via the Zap2it Labs forum." |
| [17:28:08] | RyeBrye: | ... then No Forumz 4 U! |
| [17:28:35] | fryfrog: | krikey, they dropped the forums??? |
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| [17:28:48] | fryfrog: | i wonder if they were just getting a ton of traffic or something |
| [17:29:09] | sebrock: | omg why can't I mount the NFS share, it works just fine with Mac os X, but ubuntu – ubuntu it gives persmission denied |
| [17:29:11] | sebrock: | ??? |
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| [17:29:23] | fryfrog: | do you have root squash on? |
| [17:29:33] | fryfrog: | or maybe portmap isn't started, though that doesn't seem likely to be the issue |
| [17:29:55] | fryfrog: | i'm doing NFS from and to an ubuntu box, so it can't be *that* hard :/ |
| [17:29:57] | sebrock: | no no_root_squash |
| [17:30:01] | sebrock: | and portmap is started |
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| [17:30:21] | sebrock: | it is "inscure" thugh, because of the mac... could this be it? |
| [17:30:23] | fryfrog: | humm |
| [17:30:36] | fryfrog: | nfs doesn't really have any inherent security |
| [17:30:42] | antonsky: | hi guys, how do i get my dvb-s card nexus revision 2.1 to work with debian etch/stable? |
| [17:30:51] | fryfrog: | unless you are talking about data decurity? like async vs. sync? |
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| [17:30:55] | antonsky: | which package do i have to use |
| [17:30:59] | laga: | antonsky: www.linuxtv.org |
| [17:31:25] | fryfrog: | "Sorry, but this board is currently unavailable. Please try again later." |
| [17:31:31] | sebrock: | the insecure is for Mac, because it acesses with a port over 1024 |
| [17:31:47] | mid2: | is anyone here running mythtv frontend on mac os x? |
| [17:31:48] | fryfrog: | is what I see, probably means they are doing maint or... deleting all the posts :p |
| [17:31:56] | sebrock: | I get, reason given by server: Permission denied |
| [17:31:59] | antonsky: | i know ive got to run mythtv throug the tvout of my computer but do the decoder work then in this case? |
| [17:32:09] | fryfrog: | sebrock: What is doing the NFS serving? |
| [17:32:13] | RyeBrye: | mid2 – I WOULD BE, but the damn thing wont compile |
| [17:32:15] | laga: | antonsky: no. |
| [17:32:18] | fryfrog: | and can you check its /var/log/messages file? |
| [17:32:36] | sebrock: | fryfrog a Ubuntu system |
| [17:32:49] | sebrock: | on which machine? |
| [17:32:57] | keith4_: | mid2: i know people who do |
| [17:33:00] | fryfrog: | i'd say the client and the server (nfs that is) |
| [17:33:04] | antonsky: | but i cant run mythtv throug the tv-out of the dvb card, isnt it? |
| [17:33:05] | keith4_: | they use the binary from the wiki |
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| [17:33:09] | mid2: | keith4: trunk not binary |
| [17:33:39] | fryfrog: | antonsky: you sure that is a tv *out* on the dvb card? usually it is an svideo input |
| [17:33:55] | fryfrog: | not that there aren't any tv in cards that have tv out too (PVR350 for example) |
| [17:34:08] | keith4_: | mid2: they were talking about it in the dev channel.. there were some dependency problems with building it on os x, allegedly have been fixed |
| [17:34:12] | antonsky: | no, the dvb cards with decoder have an output |
| [17:34:18] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [17:34:21] | juski: | you can't run mythtv through the TV output of a FF DVB card |
| [17:34:30] | juski: | and there are no plans to support that either |
| [17:34:40] | mid2: | keith4; nothing has been fixed |
| [17:34:41] | antonsky: | there in america where many cards are analog they have got an tv in |
| [17:34:49] | antonsky: | okay |
| [17:34:57] | fryfrog: | really, even with the 350 that supports it in myth... it is so much harder, it is worth it to just get a $20–30 nvidia card with tv out |
| [17:35:00] | juski: | infact what little support there is in mythtv for hardware mpeg decoders may well vanish if nobody maintains it |
| [17:35:05] | antonsky: | i think my tvout on my computer ist |
| [17:35:11] | antonsky: | has a bad quality |
| [17:35:20] | sebrock: | fryfrog says only NFS: Buggy server – nlink == 0! |
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| [17:35:28] | fryfrog: | wtf? |
| [17:35:29] | antonsky: | xserver doesnt want to load my pal modeline |
| [17:35:36] | fryfrog: | what version of ubuntu on client/server? |
| [17:35:48] | sebrock: | 7.04 |
| [17:35:48] | fryfrog: | and if you *really* want help with this, #ubuntu would probably be better |
| [17:35:50] | sebrock: | both |
| [17:35:54] | fryfrog: | NFS isn't really very myth specific :) |
| [17:35:58] | fryfrog: | yeah, humm, same here |
| [17:36:08] | sebrock: | lol I thought I was writing there... lol sorry |
| [17:36:10] | fryfrog: | would you like to see my fstab entry / /etc/exports? |
| [17:36:19] | sebrock: | sure |
| [17:36:24] | sebrock: | PM me |
| [17:36:24] | fryfrog: | i doubt it'd help, but who knhows :) |
| [17:37:43] | fryfrog: | nothing super secret, http://pastebin.ca/584231 |
| [17:38:03] | gbee: | need a favour, could users of Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian, Gentoo (or any distro for that matter) tell me what version of xmltv is being distributed in the current stable versions? |
| [17:38:11] | fryfrog: | this is on a switched gigabit network, but should be fine on 100mbit too |
| [17:38:17] | fryfrog: | sure |
| [17:38:47] | juski: | 0.5.44–1 on Feisty AFAICT |
| [17:38:50] | sebrock: | thats really nothing less than I have |
| [17:39:00] | fryfrog: | Version: 0.5.44–1.1 |
| [17:39:02] | fryfrog: | damnit! |
| [17:39:08] | fryfrog: | beat me to it :p |
| [17:39:10] | gbee: | heh |
| [17:39:28] | fryfrog: | oh, wait i added a ".1" so i won! |
| [17:39:42] | juski: | rofl |
| [17:39:45] | juski: | pedant! |
| [17:39:48] | wastrel: | feisty eh |
| [17:39:53] | fryfrog: | 7.04 |
| [17:39:57] | fryfrog: | if you are into "numbers" |
| [17:40:14] | wastrel: | 0.5.44–1.1 |
| [17:40:23] | fryfrog: | TO SLOW I ALREADY WON! |
| [17:40:26] | gbee: | :p just need the minor version number of xmltv, package versions don't matter ;) |
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| [17:40:46] | fryfrog: | you shut your mouth, package versions are the *KEY* |
| [17:40:56] | dburr: | Debian Etch: 0.5.45–3, Gentoo: 0.5.44 |
| [17:41:01] | antonsky: | which firmware do i have to download? |
| [17:41:03] | fryfrog: | wastrel: oh, unless you aren't talking about Ubuntu? |
| [17:41:05] | sebrock: | can't understand this.... I have prety much the same as you fryfrog |
| [17:41:10] | wastrel: | meh i was just ssh'ing to my etch box |
| [17:41:11] | gbee: | dburr: thanks |
| [17:41:15] | wastrel: | it was ubunto |
| [17:41:37] | antonsky: | dvb-ttpci |
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| [17:41:51] | fryfrog: | sebrock: yeah, i am at a loss as well. did the *server* have anything in messages? |
| [17:41:53] | antonsky: | which of them do i have to copy into the directory |
| [17:41:55] | fryfrog: | or maybe dmesg? |
| [17:42:00] | sebrock: | nope nothing |
| [17:42:24] | fryfrog: | and you are apt-get dist-upgraded to latest? |
| [17:42:33] | fryfrog: | not that it should matter, mine has been working since like... 6.06 |
| [17:42:42] | mid2: | has anyone had luck compiling the mythtv frontend from svn trunk latetly? Or at all? |
| [17:42:47] | fryfrog: | wait, which NFS are you using in ubuntu? |
| [17:42:52] | fryfrog: | nfs-userland or nfs-kernel? |
| [17:42:55] | fryfrog: | uh, real names are... |
| [17:43:03] | RyeBrye: | mid2 – the frontend compiles fine for me on linux – just not on osx |
| [17:43:17] | fryfrog: | nfs-kernel-server vs. nfs-user-server |
| [17:43:32] | xris: | mid2: checking now... |
| [17:43:34] | sebrock: | nfs-kernel |
| [17:43:42] | xris: | it'll be awhile, though |
| [17:43:47] | fryfrog: | humm |
| [17:43:48] | fryfrog: | me too |
| [17:43:53] | sebrock: | It works just fine using mac |
| [17:43:54] | antonsky: | ive got to download the firmware for my dvb device. which firmware of dvb-ttpci do i have to choose |
| [17:44:02] | sebrock: | omg this is crazy |
| [17:44:46] | mid2: | RyeBye: you and me both.. |
| [17:44:58] | fryfrog: | so it has to be the nfs *client* that doesn't like it... |
| [17:45:11] | fryfrog: | what happens if you use the server to mount it? does the nfs server have the same error? |
| [17:45:38] | sebrock: | well, the client gives me some permission denied message |
| [17:45:43] | sebrock: | which it should not |
| [17:45:53] | fryfrog: | even locally on the system? |
| [17:46:04] | fryfrog: | i mean, on the nfs server? |
| [17:46:05] | RyeBrye: | Forum Temporarily Offline |
| [17:46:06] | RyeBrye: | Our apologies. The Zap2it Labs forum is temporarily offline. It will be back soon!" |
| [17:46:12] | RyeBrye: | Guess they didn't get rid of them entirely |
| [17:46:15] | fryfrog: | hehe |
| [17:46:30] | fryfrog: | They must have gotten so much positive feedback that the flux capacitor blew out |
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| [17:46:56] | fryfrog: | aparantly, more than the stated capacity of 1.1 jiggawatts was exceded |
| [17:47:11] | RyeBrye: | Yeah |
| [17:47:26] | antonsky: | how do reload my dvb device? |
| [17:47:31] | RyeBrye: | Or they had a change in the way upstream forum data is handled, and didn't want to bother updating their forum software |
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| [17:48:11] | fryfrog: | hehe |
| [17:50:04] | sebrock: | fryfrog If I do this on the server: mount -t xfs /var/files/200GB /mnt |
| [17:50:15] | sebrock: | it says that the path is not a block device? |
| [17:50:16] | sebrock: | wtf |
| [17:50:21] | fryfrog: | er, you said "xfs" |
| [17:50:25] | fryfrog: | should be "nfs" :) |
| [17:50:33] | fryfrog: | you probably want a few -o too |
| [17:50:43] | sebrock: | this is locally on the server, the path is a xfs fs |
| [17:50:46] | fryfrog: | like "-o async" at least |
| [17:50:55] | fryfrog: | right, but *locally* you want to test nfs |
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| [17:51:20] | sebrock: | same thing |
| [17:51:26] | sebrock: | permission denied |
| [17:51:31] | armbar: | hello |
| [17:51:33] | fryfrog: | so if your NFS share is /var/files/200GB, then you'd do say "mount -t nfs -o async /var/files/200GB /tmp |
| [17:51:43] | sebrock: | this is totally crazym because I can mount it with mac |
| [17:51:46] | fryfrog: | okay, and in messages? |
| [17:52:09] | sebrock: | nothing |
| [17:53:08] | armbar: | I just got my 1st hdtv and went from 80 sd channels to 80 sd cahnnels + 90 digital channels with my standara cable. :) |
| [17:53:08] | sebrock: | I really dont know about this? |
| [17:53:14] | sebrock: | I'm really lost |
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| [17:53:38] | fryfrog: | armbar: QAM tuner built into TV? |
| [17:53:44] | armbar: | yep |
| [17:53:49] | fryfrog: | my parents got that too |
| [17:53:58] | fryfrog: | of course, its freaking retarded to flip channels |
| [17:54:07] | armbar: | I get discovery hd now ;) |
| [17:54:37] | fryfrog: | nice, all they get are the big fta stations |
| [17:54:41] | sebrock: | what the !!!! is this |
| [17:54:52] | armbar: | well it will be a snap to map my kworlds dvd to the hd channels |
| [17:54:58] | armbar: | *dvb |
| [17:55:19] | immolo: | sebrock- you need the option -o bind if your are mounting directories] |
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| [17:55:48] | immolo: | so "mount -t xfs /var/files/200GB /tmp -o bind |
| [17:55:50] | immolo: | " |
| [17:56:11] | armbar: | I just hope the mini-itx and the nvidia 6200 dvi card will work as a frontend for the tv. |
| [17:56:14] | fryfrog: | stop |
| [17:56:21] | fryfrog: | er, sorry |
| [17:56:29] | mid2: | does anyone knows how i can get in touch with nigel? |
| [17:56:31] | fryfrog: | immolo: I was getting him to test NFS *locally* |
| [17:56:41] | fryfrog: | it was just a test, not a desire to mount the same dir in two places :) |
| [17:57:04] | armbar: | immolo: try this http://www.ubuntugeek.com/nfs-server-and-clie . . . -ubuntu.html |
| [17:57:27] | sebrock: | same damn thing |
| [17:57:46] | sebrock: | permission denied... this is so stupid... It works perfectly using mac os x |
| [17:57:46] | immolo: | fryfrog- then I should read more and answer less :P |
| [17:57:57] | sebrock: | armbar already did that |
| [17:58:02] | sebrock: | to the point |
| [17:58:07] | fryfrog: | or answer more and read less! |
| [17:58:23] | fryfrog: | sebrock: are you using sudo to run the mount command? |
| [17:58:30] | immolo: | fryfrog- or just have a beer and carry on as normal :P |
| [17:58:38] | sebrock: | yes |
| [17:58:41] | fryfrog: | could it be as simple as your mount point on the *client* being owned by root? |
| [17:58:44] | fryfrog: | humm |
| [17:58:58] | sebrock: | cant even mount it on the server itself |
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| [17:59:03] | sebrock: | wtf! |
| [17:59:05] | dburr: | mkrufky: You still about? |
| [17:59:07] | immolo: | sebrock- what the last few lines of dmesg say |
| [17:59:44] | mkrufky: | dburr: i am still here |
| [17:59:51] | sebrock: | nothing with NFS |
| [18:00:33] | dburr: | mkrufky: c_x_z_g_r needs to call fe->ops.set_frontend if ptr==2, right? |
| [18:01:41] | mkrufky: | dburr: no, dvb-core calls set_frontend already by itself...... the c_x_z_g_r callback is called from within xc3028_set_oarams, which itself, is called from within set_frontend |
| [18:02:38] | dburr: | mkrufky: Okay, so does that mean that ptr should only be 0 or 1 (RESET1 or RESET2)? |
| [18:02:52] | mkrufky: | yeah,,, we do nothing on =2 |
| [18:03:13] | mkrufky: | we _should_ do nothing on =2, because it should have already been done in set_frontend |
| [18:03:38] | mkrufky: | you see, the code in my xc-bluebird patch, i consider a hack, because it is redoing the init sequence |
| [18:03:43] | dburr: | mkrufky: xc3028_set_mode explicitly calls gpio_reset(fe, 2) |
| [18:03:49] | mkrufky: | yup |
| [18:04:04] | mkrufky: | done worry about that, cxusb will ignore that call |
| [18:04:07] | dburr: | mkrufky: Right, so that can go. |
| [18:04:08] | mkrufky: | donT |
| [18:04:37] | mkrufky: | maybe... not sure |
| [18:04:53] | dburr: | mkrufky: ? Do you want it to stay for other backends? |
| [18:05:31] | mkrufky: | if we dont need it, then we dont need it |
| [18:05:47] | mkrufky: | i think it's only there right now to handle that zl353 hack.... if we fix the hack, then yes- we can kill it |
| [18:05:54] | mkrufky: | no, wait |
| [18:06:02] | mkrufky: | we still need it there inside xc3028 for the gpio |
| [18:06:21] | mkrufky: | all i am concerned about is the direct i2c writes to the zl353 |
| [18:07:06] | dburr: | mkrufky: Doesn't fe->tuner_priv->cfg->gpio_reset resolve for c_x_z_g_r? |
| [18:07:40] | mkrufky: | yes |
| [18:08:16] | dburr: | mkrufky: Do you think that I was talking about removing gpio_reset altogether? I just meant the (fe, 2) call |
| [18:08:44] | mid2: | janneg: i tried both |
| [18:08:45] | sebrock: | haha I'm going insane!! |
| [18:09:29] | mid2: | janneg: i compiled myself and using packager the results are identical |
| [18:09:31] | janneg: | mkrufky, dburr: can you please move your discussion to #linuxtv |
| [18:09:43] | mkrufky: | dburr: leave the call there, and meet me in #linuxtv |
| [18:09:52] | mid2: | janneg: ticket 3657 explains what i see |
| [18:10:07] | mkrufky: | janneg: sorry about that ... i figured it would be ok until someone complained |
| [18:10:08] | janneg: | mkrufky: thanks |
| [18:10:48] | janneg: | mkrufky: I'm not complaining |
| [18:10:57] | mkrufky: | no problem 0-- we were off-topic |
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| [18:11:20] | mkrufky: | btw, i crashed again last night, and again... nothing shows in the logs. it's all because i called it rock-solid yesterday |
| [18:11:26] | mkrufky: | ...murhpey's law |
| [18:11:32] | mkrufky: | murphy's |
| [18:11:35] | janneg: | :( |
| [18:12:05] | mid2: | janneg: did I answer your question? |
| [18:13:38] | sebrock: | fryfog, if it is denied root in the server what in the hell could be wrong |
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| [18:13:54] | janneg: | mid2: yes. sorry I can't help. I have no ideo how the videoout on macosx works |
| [18:14:06] | sebrock: | fryfrog...^^^^ |
| [18:14:15] | janneg: | I do know that it's not using X11 |
| [18:14:28] | mid2: | i see. |
| [18:14:41] | mid2: | i just checked out rev that is 300 rev old and still same results |
| [18:15:22] | fryfrog: | sebrock: i am not sure, have you also tested w/o using sudo? |
| [18:15:25] | fryfrog: | ie, mount it as a user maybe? |
| [18:15:37] | fryfrog: | don't see how that could help, but... stranger things have happened |
| [18:16:45] | sebrock: | yes |
| [18:16:53] | fryfrog: | humm :/ |
| [18:17:09] | sebrock: | Im going insane, this is so illogical |
| [18:17:16] | fryfrog: | i can't think of what i'd do next, short of logging in and poking around myself :/ |
| [18:17:19] | fryfrog: | nothing is coming to mind |
| [18:17:27] | fryfrog: | any luck with google and that "Buggy server" message? |
| [18:17:41] | sebrock: | hey wait |
| [18:17:44] | fryfrog: | or maybe try "mount -v" or "mount -d" to get more details out of it? |
| [18:18:05] | sebrock: | I installed the nfs-kernel on another linux-image which I then removed |
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| [18:18:11] | sebrock: | could that have something to do with it? |
| [18:18:16] | fryfrog: | could! |
| [18:18:31] | sebrock: | so maybe I should reinstall the whole damn thing? |
| [18:18:35] | fryfrog: | if you "sudo aptititude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"? |
| [18:18:46] | fryfrog: | does it tell you there is anything to upgrade? |
| [18:19:00] | fryfrog: | and the last couple upgrades have had some kernel updates, so maybe you need a reboot too? |
| [18:19:13] | fryfrog: | though mine is still working and i have not rebooted for the last 2 kernel changes |
| [18:20:27] | sebrock: | Well, it was moslty pythong stuff |
| [18:20:47] | sebrock: | brb this could be the ting |
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| [18:25:01] | sebrock: | noe same damn thing |
| [18:25:26] | sebrock: | shit NFS |
| [18:25:59] | fryfrog: | man, you have some really big un-luck :/ |
| [18:26:32] | immolo: | yeah, nfs is pretty simple |
| [18:26:48] | immolo: | have you filled the /etc/exports corretly |
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| [18:57:23] | dburr: | Does anyone know how to get MythDVD to come up if I insert a DVD when watching LiveTV? |
| [19:03:40] | dburr: | Alternatively, does anyone know how can I "blacklist" a removable device so that mythgallery doesn't try to display it and so it doesn't show up in the eject menu? I have a machine which mounts /usr off a flash drive but every time mythtv starts up, mythgallery finds it and tries to display it |
| [19:04:50] | sebrock: | g |
| [19:04:51] | juski: | dburr: if it's on ubuntu it's pretty easy to turn off auto-insert nonsense |
| [19:04:59] | sebrock: | fryfrog |
| [19:05:23] | sebrock: | now it works correct, I removed it, cleaned cache, and reinstalled |
| [19:05:29] | dburr: | juski: It's not ubuntu, but I still want media sensing for CDs and DVDs |
| [19:05:54] | juski: | well I'd not be surprised if you could differentiate between different types of media ;) |
| [19:06:21] | dburr: | The thing is that the partition is actually mounted at boot time by fstab... mythgallery just treats it specially because it is a "removable device" |
| [19:06:46] | dburr: | I want it to be treated like any other /usr off the HDD |
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| [19:08:50] | fryfrog: | nice |
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| [19:47:20] | kristok: | if I keep all my storage on the same drive as my OS, will I see any performance issues? |
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| [19:55:57] | fryfrog: | kristok: probably not, the data read rate required for SD and HD content is ... pretty trivial compared to read/write speeds of drives |
| [19:56:03] | fryfrog: | but if you *can* it probably isn't a bad idea |
| [19:56:16] | kristok: | i just bought a 750 gb drive |
| [19:56:23] | fryfrog: | I have a RAID1 for my system and a seperate RAID5 for "data" |
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| [19:56:37] | kristok: | i used to have 3 smaller drives setup with LVM |
| [19:56:38] | fryfrog: | ah, if I were you I'd just go pick up an 80G drive for like $40 |
| [19:56:40] | fryfrog: | and use that as system |
| [19:56:54] | fryfrog: | that way, if your system drive dies you still have the data real easy |
| [19:57:00] | fryfrog: | and if your data drive dies, you don't lose your system |
| [19:57:16] | fryfrog: | I go with RAID1 and RAID5 so that if *any* drive dies, I don't lose anything :) |
| [19:57:42] | kristok: | well, i can't quite afford enough drives for a RAID5 array quite yet ;-) |
| [19:58:06] | fryfrog: | bah, that 750G drive prolly cost what, $200 or so? |
| [19:58:16] | fryfrog: | 400G drives are at like $100, afaik |
| [19:58:29] | kristok: | yeah, $200 |
| [19:58:43] | fryfrog: | you could have gotten 3x 400/500G for only a smidge more :) |
| [19:58:48] | fryfrog: | and done RAID5 |
| [19:59:03] | fryfrog: | and 80–120G drives are like $50 or less, 2 of those in RAID1 :) |
| [19:59:32] | kristok: | I'm trying to keep my box somewhat quiet |
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| [19:59:39] | fryfrog: | OHHH |
| [19:59:46] | fryfrog: | yar, i'd not want mey master be near the tv |
| [19:59:53] | fryfrog: | soudns like a helicopter warming up :) |
| [20:00:00] | fryfrog: | bye bye time, going home |
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| [20:31:00] | mikeones: | anyone recommend a fta forum for us users |
| [20:31:17] | gabriel25: | hi guys |
| [20:31:25] | gabriel25: | I downloaded livecd mythdora |
| [20:31:31] | gabriel25: | and I don`t know the root password |
| [20:33:01] | mikeones: | http://www.google.com/search?q=mythdora+root+ . . . nt=firefox-a |
| [20:33:09] | laga: | gabriel25: why don't you ask the mythdora guys? |
| [20:34:18] | RyeBrye: | !url google mythdora root |
| [20:34:18] | MythLogBot: | google: http://www.google.com/ |
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| [20:34:28] | tonyb2007: | The configure script says I don't have the Lame MP3 encoding library installed, but I do: lame-devel.x86_64 3.97–1.fc7 installed |
| [20:35:09] | tonyb2007: | (Fedora 7) |
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| [20:35:49] | RyeBrye: | that sucks |
| [20:40:50] | mid2: | man |
| [20:40:57] | mid2: | i hate this OSX |
| [20:43:57] | gabriel25: | I can`t find ip anyware the default password for livecd mythdora |
| [20:43:57] | Anduin: | tonyb2007: you are using latest svn? |
| [20:43:58] | gabriel25: | :(( |
| [20:44:15] | tonyb2007: | Anduin: yes |
| [20:44:27] | tonyb2007: | Compiling lame now to see if that does it.. |
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| [20:44:52] | Anduin: | tonyb2007: In latest it just looks for the header/lib, so probably a lib search path issue (config.err) |
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| [20:45:43] | tonyb2007: | Seems to work after I just compiled and installed lame :D |
| [20:47:04] | Anduin: | tonyb2007: probably install to a non 64 lib path |
| [20:47:28] | tonyb2007: | Hmm |
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| [20:59:17] | gabriel25: | what is better for mythtv gentoo or fedora ? |
| [21:00:45] | laga: | what is better: beer or wine? |
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| [21:27:37] | gabriel25: | guys http://www.dvrupgrade.com/dvr/stores/1/hdhomerun.cfm this is good for mythtv ? |
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| [21:43:04] | mkrufky: | gabriel25: yes |
| [21:43:29] | mkrufky: | gabriel25: i have heard great things about that hdhomerun |
| [21:43:44] | mkrufky: | gabriel25: the best part is that it requires no kernel drivers |
| [21:44:16] | gabriel25: | nice |
| [21:44:21] | gabriel25: | I want to install mythtv |
| [21:44:37] | gabriel25: | and is much better to get a box is wasy in this way :) |
| [21:45:11] | mkrufky: | i'll assume you live in USA ? |
| [21:45:16] | gabriel25: | Yes |
| [21:45:23] | mkrufky: | cool... i live in brooklyn |
| [21:45:27] | gabriel25: | wow |
| [21:45:37] | gabriel25: | nice I live in ny queens |
| [21:45:39] | gabriel25: | :) |
| [21:45:48] | mkrufky: | oh, really ?? i grew up in bayside |
| [21:45:53] | mkrufky: | where in queens? |
| [21:45:58] | gabriel25: | I live in Whitestone |
| [21:45:59] | gabriel25: | :)) |
| [21:46:03] | mkrufky: | lol thats so random |
| [21:46:12] | mkrufky: | where did you go to high school? I went to 'dozo |
| [21:46:20] | gabriel25: | one exit away from bayside |
| [21:46:25] | gabriel25: | I am from romania |
| [21:46:28] | gabriel25: | I just got here |
| [21:46:31] | mkrufky: | ah, ok |
| [21:46:32] | gabriel25: | look at my english |
| [21:46:33] | gabriel25: | :)) |
| [21:46:43] | mkrufky: | i am going to drive past your house in a few minutes... |
| [21:46:47] | gabriel25: | I got here 2 years ago |
| [21:46:58] | mkrufky: | im in new jersey right now, and i have to drive right past you ... hehehe |
| [21:47:06] | gabriel25: | hehehehe |
| [21:47:11] | gabriel25: | maybe you stop by |
| [21:47:13] | gabriel25: | say hello |
| [21:47:14] | mkrufky: | anyway, i hear hdhomerun is very easy to set up with myth |
| [21:47:31] | gabriel25: | I don`t have mythtv installed yet |
| [21:47:38] | mkrufky: | ah, thats the fun part :-) |
| [21:47:44] | gabriel25: | I know |
| [21:47:44] | mkrufky: | which distro are you going to use? |
| [21:47:50] | gabriel25: | Gentoo I belive |
| [21:48:07] | gabriel25: | stop by let talk a little |
| [21:48:10] | mkrufky: | ok, cool... i found the gentoo mythtv install pretty easy also |
| [21:48:13] | gabriel25: | have a beer or something |
| [21:48:22] | mkrufky: | hmmmm... |
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| [21:48:26] | gabriel25: | gentoo is the best distro ever |
| [21:48:38] | gabriel25: | mkrufky I don`t have linux friends here in USA |
| [21:48:39] | mkrufky: | im not going to be able stop by today, sorry |
| [21:48:46] | mkrufky: | well i can be your friend |
| [21:48:51] | gabriel25: | :)) |
| [21:48:52] | Arfdee: | hiredgoon, i want to run mythtv on localhost but it is set to my desktop which it cannot reach, but because of that, i cannot even run mythtv-setup! |
| [21:48:57] | mkrufky: | but we'll have to talk another time... i have to run now |
| [21:49:05] | mkrufky: | gabriel25: look for me in #linuxtv on monday |
| [21:49:10] | mkrufky: | i'll be there |
| [21:49:37] | gabriel25: | I gave you my cell number |
| [21:49:51] | mkrufky: | heh, ok |
| [21:49:54] | mkrufky: | ok, i have to run |
| [21:49:56] | mkrufky: | good luck |
| [21:50:17] | gabriel25: | thx |
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| [21:51:56] | Arfdee: | help! |
| [21:52:08] | Arfdee: | Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.0.100' (111) |
| [21:53:21] | gabriel25: | Arfdee |
| [21:53:22] | gabriel25: | :)) |
| [21:53:26] | gabriel25: | why not ? |
| [21:53:42] | laga: | for every user complaining about mysql, i'll bitch about zap2it, ok? |
| [21:53:46] | Arfdee: | cuz its' 6000 miles away |
| [21:53:53] | Arfdee: | literally |
| [21:53:55] | gabriel25: | thats so bad |
| [21:53:55] | gabriel25: | :)) |
| [21:53:57] | Arfdee: | how do i tell myth to not use it? |
| [21:57:56] | knowledgejunkie: | Arfdee: probably edit your ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt files (for root and your frontend users) |
| [21:58:13] | mikeones: | the more I read about f2a the more I want to give it a go. |
| [21:58:38] | mikeones: | anyone have any success with f2a here? |
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| [21:59:52] | Arfdee: | thx! |
| [22:00:44] | Arfdee: | Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [22:00:49] | knowledgejunkie: | Arfdee: mysql info is keep in those files, backend servers in the database |
| [22:01:58] | knowledgejunkie: | Arfdee: you need to give access to the mythconverg database to 'mythtv'@'localhost' in mysql |
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| [22:02:09] | dan__t: | 'afternoon |
| [22:02:49] | dan__t: | Is there any way to "inject" video, such as a private channels or something, into a loop of, say, coax, that floats around the home? |
| [22:04:06] | GreyFoxx: | You can get boxes to do that yeah |
| [22:04:23] | dan__t: | What's this called, so I can read up more on it? |
| [22:04:43] | GreyFoxx: | often called an RF modulator, but that also refers to a lot of other stuff |
| [22:04:49] | dan__t: | Sure does heheh |
| [22:06:12] | dan__t: | I guess what I'm getting at is that I want to be able to push video content on my own channel lineup |
| [22:06:24] | dan__t: | It would be like advertising "channels", if that makes any sense. |
| [22:06:28] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [22:06:48] | GreyFoxx: | I've got afew friends that use them in their houses |
| [22:06:50] | dan__t: | Got a buddy who recently asked me for a solution like this, and I've known MythTV to do some pretty bad-ass things. |
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| [22:13:23] | dan__t: | Welp, know of any linux FM modulators? |
| [22:13:31] | dan__t: | Or maybe some software which does the job of the modulation etc etc |
| [22:14:24] | knowledgejunkie: | dan__t: how many 'channels' do you want? how are you going to get the signal into the coax? |
| [22:14:50] | dan__t: | I want like 10 "channels" in a single coax circuit |
| [22:15:32] | kormoc: | dan__t, typically you just use a hardware modulator for it, and just hookup a tv-out to the input of the modulator |
| [22:15:38] | dan__t: | And getting the signal into there would, I suppose from what GreyFoxx had mentioned, be the FM modulator's problem. |
| [22:15:46] | kormoc: | dan__t, getting software to do it is rather hard, as it's a hardware task |
| [22:15:57] | GreyFoxx: | RF modulator, not FM |
| [22:15:58] | dan__t: | Yep, I completely understand. |
| [22:15:59] | GreyFoxx: | :) |
| [22:16:30] | dan__t: | d'oh, guess the job just got a lot more complicated. |
| [22:16:51] | knowledgejunkie: | dan__t: plus you'd need a beefy system(s) to pump the modulator(s) with 10 'live' feeds |
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| [22:16:56] | dan__t: | Yep. |
| [22:17:13] | dan__t: | well, my hopes are that the feeds would all be some crappy form of digital video |
| [22:17:19] | dan__t: | i.e. an AVI or whatever it may be. |
| [22:17:24] | dan__t: | Hence the software solution. |
| [22:18:04] | kormoc: | dan__t, you might be able to find some blackmagic cards that do what you want |
| [22:18:12] | kormoc: | linux support is a unknown and a unlikely tho |
| [22:18:17] | dan__t: | Yep |
| [22:18:39] | dan__t: | I always assume the worst. That way, if it doesn't work out, I'm not all that disappointed. |
| [22:19:11] | shurbann: | I have a question concerning the datatransfer of mythtv |
| [22:19:18] | knowledgejunkie: | dan_t: might be easier in the long run to use some sort of IP-based system, like multicasting, and have a computer pick up the broadcast instead of an RF tuner |
| [22:19:31] | kormoc: | shurbann, you should just ask the question, not state you have a question |
| [22:19:46] | dan__t: | knowledgejunkie, I'm not going to take over the air channels and modulate them to a different channel. |
| [22:19:59] | dan__t: | Through those "channels" I'll be "broadcasting" on my own private coax network, some content |
| [22:20:22] | shurbann: | I want my pc running mythtv to record everything to my NAS a Synology DS107+ is this possible? |
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| [22:20:36] | kormoc: | just make sure you're disconnected from the cable co when you do that. They frown on added noise on the line |
| [22:20:47] | shurbann: | is the datransfer of 100Mb over LAN enough? |
| [22:20:51] | dan__t: | No no, the TVs have a seperate input. |
| [22:20:54] | kormoc: | shurbann, sure |
| [22:21:06] | dan__t: | Its for a private broadcast of sorts |
| [22:21:30] | dan__t: | No copy protected content will be shown, it is company produced by this single company. |
| [22:21:43] | kormoc: | dan__t, how's that relate to what I said? |
| [22:21:46] | dan__t: | So I want to play digital videos of said content over different "channels" in this coax loop. |
| [22:22:02] | dan__t: | uh, how's any of this related to what you said? |
| [22:22:13] | shurbann: | hmm cause I know a friend of mine has some bad experience with his NAS a Lacie not being able to cope with the transfer speed. It is till a question if the bottleneck is the speed of the cheap NAS (Pacie) or the LN |
| [22:22:16] | shurbann: | LAN* |
| [22:22:16] | dan__t: | That coax loop is *mine*, not the cable company's. I'm not using their medium for delivery. F them. |
| [22:22:34] | shurbann: | Pacie=Lacie |
| [22:22:51] | kormoc: | dan__t, right, just that typically if it's in house wiring, then it's still hooked up at the junction box. |
| [22:23:14] | shurbann: | kormoc: you're saying sure, but can you back this up? |
| [22:23:31] | dan__t: | OK, well, I'm not worried about the cable company, I really don't care about them, my goal hasn't the slightest bit of conflict or concern with them, it is a non-issue entirely. |
| [22:23:40] | shurbann: | kormoc: with some example. Or are you using this setup? |
| [22:24:53] | kormoc: | shurbann, let's say you are recording at 2200 kbit a second, standard bitrate, that's 2.148 mbit a second, well under 100 mbit, HD is typically 20mbit a second or less. What more do you want? |
| [22:25:04] | ** kormoc shrugs at dan__t ** | |
| [22:25:24] | dan__t: | I quite simply want to, over my own medium, create different "channels" which play content form a single point – a computer – with that content being video off of disk, such as an AVI or MPEG or some such. |
| [22:25:32] | kormoc: | dan__t, Personally, I don't like irate cable co folks showing up at my door with the police due to me forgetting to remove a wire, hence my warning |
| [22:25:53] | dan__t: | I apprecaite your concern, but I don't know how else to stress that I have my own medium. |
| [22:26:09] | dan__t: | One which does not even touch anything that the cable co may be using, inside or outside of my house. |
| [22:26:47] | dan__t: | And on *THAT* medium, is which I wish to deploy my little pet project. |
| [22:26:50] | knowledgejunkie: | dan__t: how many simultaneous screens? |
| [22:27:20] | dan__t: | I'd say maybe six, but it really doesn't matter if I can boost the line quality and signal right? |
| [22:27:26] | dan__t: | I mean if needed |
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| [22:27:59] | dan__t: | degradation due to cable length and number of occupants on the loop etc etc |
| [22:28:04] | shurbann: | kormoc: ok. You're right. From where the 2200kb/s? Is that the normal speed recording speed of MythTV? |
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| [22:28:35] | kormoc: | shurbann, yes, that's standard for standard def tv recording in myth. It maxes out around 6,600 kb/s I believe |
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| [22:29:12] | shurbann: | kormoc: ok good to know thanks.... that was the information I needed.. |
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| [22:30:11] | dan__t: | wacha thinkin', knowledgejunkie? |
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| [22:30:51] | knowledgejunkie: | dan__t: how to make this relevant to MythTV :) |
| [22:31:41] | dan__t: | Oh, yeah, then there's that. I guess what I was getting at initially is if it was possible for MythTV to handle the streaming of those "channels", being of seperate video feeds, over a private coax network. |
| [22:31:55] | knowledgejunkie: | dan__t: using mythbackend to serve the media and have frontend clients to view the media on-demand rather than using live RF channels |
| [22:31:57] | dan__t: | MythTV having the ability to do so if of course hardware requirements and stuff were met |
| [22:32:24] | knowledgejunkie: | dan__t: what about muxing the 10 channels into a MPEG2 transport stream, multicasting that, and having any clients just 'tune' into that? |
| [22:32:38] | knowledgejunkie: | dan__t: over an IP network instead of coax |
| [22:32:40] | dan__t: | because I want to avoid a client machine being placed next to each tv |
| [22:32:58] | knowledgejunkie: | dan__t: right, so it *has* to be coax based |
| [22:33:16] | Arfdee: | uhh |
| [22:33:17] | Arfdee: | i installed myth |
| [22:33:22] | Arfdee: | but there apparently is no myth database? |
| [22:33:24] | dan__t: | Well, it has to be, if I don't want all the TVs to have their own client |
| [22:34:03] | knowledgejunkie: | dan__t: how about a few mythbackend servers serving the media, one frontend per channel playing a playlist directly into an RF-modulator, which then distributes the channels over the coax |
| [22:34:25] | Arfdee: | i installed all the myth rpms |
| [22:34:31] | Arfdee: | but it seems there is no database? |
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| [22:35:21] | knowledgejunkie: | Arfdee: what distro |
| [22:35:36] | dan__t: | knowledgejunkie, I think that would work. |
| [22:35:40] | dan__t: | I see where you're going with that. |
| [22:35:41] | rsdvd: | arfdee : look for mc.sql and run that through mysql.....it will create the db if the rpms didn;t |
| [22:36:31] | knowledgejunkie: | dan__t: it would distribute the load on the myth boxen, and give you a useable signal you could modulate. you'd just need to figure the best way of getting the singal into the modulator |
| [22:36:36] | dan__t: | So with an RF modulator is it possible to like set them to "broadcast" on which ever channel I want, or what |
| [22:37:15] | knowledgejunkie: | dan__t: should be able to set the 'channel' – and I guess you get more input types (VGA/s-video/composite) the more you pay |
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| [22:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | hyyjtuj,yvfyik,u;//. n nn n mnb |
| [22:40:11] | Arfdee: | what is the default mysql password for fedora? |
| [22:40:18] | ** juski says hi to GreyFoxx's cat ** | |
| [22:40:29] | GreyFoxx: | Actually that was my 3yr old daughter :) |
| [22:40:34] | juski: | Arfdee: prolly no password for the root mysql account |
| [22:40:44] | juski: | hehe GreyFoxx |
| [22:41:20] | juski: | woo last of the big spenders has bought one case badge! |
| [22:41:34] | juski: | stingy Brit folks |
| [22:41:36] | knowledgejunkie: | Arfdee: if you installed from atrpms.net everything should be taken care of for you – mysql user mythtv pw mythtv |
| [22:42:10] | knowledgejunkie: | juski: it's because of all the money we have to pay for our TV listings. No wait... |
| [22:42:33] | dan__t: | I'll check into it, thanks knowledgejunkie. |
| [22:42:34] | juski: | wow and to think I've not once cracked a joke at zap2it users' expense |
| [22:43:02] | juski: | knowledgejunkie: in a roundabout way we DO actually pay for our listings data tho |
| [22:43:02] | knowledgejunkie: | juski: really? I've not been on much |
| [22:43:17] | knowledgejunkie: | juski: how so? |
| [22:43:23] | juski: | the TV licence |
| [22:43:34] | juski: | radiotimes.com is owned by the BBC innit? |
| [22:44:00] | juski: | or am I barking up the wrong arboric entity? |
| [22:44:27] | laga: | juski: i talked to my bank today. bank transfer is like 10€ and cheque would cost *you* money. this feels like the dark age |
| [22:44:44] | juski: | laga: email me yo address & I'll send you coupla badgees |
| [22:45:06] | laga: | juski: want anything in return? :P |
| [22:45:12] | juski: | I'm a mardy c*** but never let it be said I'm a stingy c*** ;) |
| [22:45:17] | laga: | juski: heh |
| [22:45:20] | knowledgejunkie: | juski: The RT is owned by BBC Magzines, which is owned by the BBC, and whose profits are returned to the licence-fee payer |
| [22:45:38] | laga: | juski: well, the GF does have a problem now, though. she ordered some shirts for 80 pounds from the UK :P |
| [22:45:42] | juski: | knowledgejunkie: so we do kinda pay, in a roundabout way.. ish |
| [22:45:51] | knowledgejunkie: | juski: but the licence fee is required to receive TV – listings are irrelevant |
| [22:46:01] | juski: | £80 worth of shirts used to be like one shirt a few years ago for me |
| [22:46:09] | knowledgejunkie: | juski: if there were no listings, you still have to pay |
| [22:46:19] | juski: | true |
| [22:46:24] | laga: | juski: now it's walmart, huh? :) |
| [22:46:33] | juski: | laga: not quite |
| [22:46:51] | knowledgejunkie: | juski: same with EIT data |
| [22:47:18] | juski: | you seen those DAB radios with the EPG ? |
| [22:47:38] | juski: | why didn't they have that when I was a kid huh? |
| [22:47:40] | knowledgejunkie: | juski: although I've no idea about the data arrangements the RT have in place with each TV company |
| [22:48:13] | juski: | knowledgejunkie: they more than likely pay to be in there. we should be eternally grateful they do what they do for us tho |
| [22:48:18] | juski: | I know I am :) |
| [22:48:21] | knowledgejunkie: | juski: totally |
| [22:50:16] | knowledgejunkie: | juski: now I'm a bit stupid here, but I would thought it would be in a commerical TV company's interests to be listed – more eyeballs seeing the listings = more people watching TV = more people watching ads (even taking into account devices to allow ad-skipping) |
| [22:51:06] | juski: | yesh but some evil empires (like in the USA) see all information as being of financial value to somebody |
| [22:51:38] | juski: | they'd have charged money for subtitles if they could have got away with it, one imagines |
| [22:52:52] | ** Dibblah considers unsubscribing from -users... ** | |
| [22:53:09] | knowledgejunkie: | juski: if they charged for removing DOGs/in-program coming up ads/squashed credits i'd probably pay though! |
| [22:53:10] | Dibblah: | It's just getting worse :( |
| [22:53:14] | ** juski just switches off email reception, can still post :) ** | |
| [22:53:15] | GreyFoxx: | hehe I know the feeling |
| [22:53:38] | Arfdee: | if i am just using a tv antenna, should i do xml listings at all? |
| [22:53:45] | Arfdee: | or just scan for channels and nothing else? |
| [22:53:52] | juski: | knowledgejunkie: yeah.. I'd pay for a slice of freeview without gameshowtv & all the cruft |
| [22:54:05] | knowledgejunkie: | juski: same here |
| [22:54:22] | juski: | Arfdee: if you want mytthv to know what's on & when you better get some tv guide data from somewhere |
| [22:55:02] | knowledgejunkie: | juski: that's just mean |
| [22:55:18] | Arfdee: | juski, no, i want to just explore |
| [22:55:19] | juski: | "cause I swear I streamed anime from mythvideo before |
| [22:55:20] | Arfdee: | i'm in asia |
| [22:55:20] | juski: | I set up my NFS" |
| [22:55:32] | Arfdee: | if i want to use alsa for my output device, i just put ALSA:default? |
| [22:55:35] | Arfdee: | what about for mixer? |
| [22:55:38] | knowledgejunkie: | juski: ah, not then :) |
| [22:55:41] | juski: | Arfdee: mythtv doesn't work too well without TV guide data |
| [22:55:53] | Arfdee: | juski, i may only be getting one channel with this antenna |
| [22:56:00] | juski: | it will work, but not as well as with guide data |
| [22:56:14] | Arfdee: | i just want to watch live tv |
| [22:56:21] | juski: | even if you only have one channel, the longest you can record for in one chunk will be 1 hour |
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| [22:56:33] | juski: | you just want to watch livetv? there's tvtime & xawtv for that |
| [22:56:40] | Arfdee: | juski, not for pvrusb2 |
| [22:56:47] | Arfdee: | i just want to watch livetv for NOW |
| [22:56:52] | juski: | ok then.. xine / vlc |
| [22:56:54] | Arfdee: | please, can you just answer my question? |
| [22:57:01] | juski: | vlc works with mpeg2 tuners |
| [22:57:11] | Arfdee: | all i have to use now is an antenna |
| [22:57:18] | juski: | Arfdee: you should read the docs about configuring audio |
| [22:57:23] | knowledgejunkie: | Arfdee: default |
| [22:57:23] | Arfdee: | juski, can you not be a jerk? |
| [22:57:24] | juski: | the default should be fine anyway |
| [22:57:37] | Arfdee: | i don't have access to my desktop, which is using alsa audio, because it's 6000 miles away |
| [22:57:40] | juski: | Arfdee: FFS I was not being a jerk |
| [22:57:42] | Arfdee: | and i am trying to set this up for a friend |
| [22:57:50] | juski: | the default should be FINE |
| [22:57:57] | Arfdee: | knowledgejunkie, just ALSA:default for audio output device? |
| [22:58:02] | juski: | and yes if you read the docs they tell you what to use |
| [22:58:02] | dan__t: | thanks again, knowledgejunkie |
| [22:58:06] | Arfdee: | or is mixer ALSA:default? |
| [22:58:16] | juski: | Arfdee: READ THE DOCUMENTATION |
| [22:58:20] | Arfdee: | juski, you are a jerk |
| [22:58:24] | knowledgejunkie: | dan__t: no problem, hope it works out |
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| [22:58:35] | juski: | one less idiot! |
| [22:58:36] | knowledgejunkie: | juski: oooh |
| [22:58:53] | dan__t: | I'm thinking that just simple mythtv clients would be easier, and running cat5 to them instead of coax, would be cheaper. |
| [22:58:57] | dan__t: | and less of a headache |
| [22:59:16] | knowledgejunkie: | dan__t: what – like I suggested?:) |
| [22:59:17] | dan__t: | Find some small EPIA solid state devices and make sure they have a decent video card in them, and bam, it's all good. |
| [22:59:22] | juski: | dan__t: depends how many independant sources you want to watch |
| [22:59:24] | dan__t: | Yeah, I wasn't thinking about that. |
| [22:59:34] | dan__t: | I'm thinking like 10 sources at any given time. |
| [22:59:45] | dan__t: | each client streaming, of course, only one source at a time |
| [22:59:48] | juski: | generally you need a tuner per frontend that wants to watch livetv |
| [22:59:54] | dan__t: | Yep. |
| [23:00:06] | dan__t: | I think I paid 130 for each of my Hauppauge 130's |
| [23:00:10] | dan__t: | That'll work just fine |
| [23:00:28] | dan__t: | $300 for a "decent" EPIA machine with case, ram, and flash drive |
| [23:00:44] | dan__t: | or a shuttle, doesn't matter. just something cheap with a small footprint |
| [23:00:45] | juski: | I don't honestly think there's such a thing as a decent EPIA machine |
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| [23:00:49] | dan__t: | haha |
| [23:00:55] | dan__t: | You know what I mean. |
| [23:00:58] | dan__t: | Something in that direction. |
| [23:01:08] | juski: | being an owner of an epia10k board I speak from experience believe me |
| [23:01:10] | ** knowledgejunkie is off to watch Mr Abram ** | |
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| [23:01:38] | ** juski is off to bed & to relax after having arfdee send urine to the boil ** | |
| [23:02:37] | juski: | g'night. have a nice day tomorrow. slap the idiots for me while I'm away if you don't awfully mind ;) |
| [23:03:01] | laga: | juOMG MY ZAP2IT IS BROKEN |
| [23:03:08] | laga: | darn, tab didn't work :P |
| [23:04:26] | dan__t: | I'll read up on some small footprint machines with all the goodies in 'em. |
| [23:04:37] | dan__t: | something equivelant to a dumbed-down set-top box I guess |
| [23:04:39] | juski: | couldn't resist searching the net for 'arfdee' he really is an asshat |
| [23:04:48] | juski: | anyway.. Zzzzz |
| [23:05:05] | laga: | dan__t: don't miss out on the msntv2. maybe that's what you are looking for |
| [23:05:16] | laga: | dan__t: and the hauppauge mediamvp |
| [23:05:52] | dan__t: | i was reading good things about those appletv devices, too |
| [23:06:29] | dan__t: | and can those mediatv machines run mythtv front-end? heheh |
| [23:07:12] | dan__t: | omg. that's amazing. |
| [23:07:17] | dan__t: | with mvpmc |
| [23:07:51] | mikeones: | I run an mvpmc with myth |
| [23:08:02] | mikeones: | it work well for a 4:3 set |
| [23:08:09] | mikeones: | *works |
| [23:08:24] | dan__t: | Ok, I'm definitely going to have to spend some time on that one. |
| [23:08:58] | dan__t: | ALright, I gotta go, I'll be back before too long. |
| [23:09:07] | mikeones: | I also have networks drops so I get good troughput to it. |
| [23:21:36] | mikeones: | anyone know if I need a stb to get f2a into a dvb-s card? |
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| [23:53:14] | dan__t: | Ok, back. |
| [23:53:23] | dan__t: | Gotta re-image a drive before I begin the fun here... |
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| [23:58:24] | jimbalaya: | has anyone ever moved their record-to location? |
| [23:58:33] | niter3: | hey guys I got a 32" lcd tv. I can't seem to get xorg to display on it.. I'm pretty sure I disabled something for my i810 845g chipset intel card. |
| [23:58:37] | jimbalaya: | I'm wondering if there's anything I should be aware of, if I decide to do it... |
| [23:58:41] | niter3: | I forget what it was, but i'm pretty sure that's what did it |
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