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Sunday, June 17th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: I don't envy you trying to make a theme with a tool as lame as GIMP

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Mr_Grieves:

kormoc: The time zone is set – CDT.

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Mr_Grieves:

Is there a way to purge the data it's already downloaded from zap2it?

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kormoc:

mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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Mr_Grieves:

ok

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jams:

hey juski, which one do you think is better http://jmeyer.us/screens

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juski:

2

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jams:

ok..works for me

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juski:

there's a funny edge at the bottom rhs of the button though by the look of it

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jams:

there is

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jams:

it was a quick rough draft

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juski:

I let you off then :)

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jams:

there are also "errors"

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kormoc:

jams, looks sharp

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jams:

oh perhaps make the border silver..

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jams:

let me try that

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jams:

thanks kormoc

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juski:

hate to think I've given anybody 'competition' here :-P

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jams:

I might finish midnight this time, since i will use it =)

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jams:

die die horizontal themes

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kormoc:

juski, teach you to do good in the community!

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Dagmar:

juski: Having fun blowing away i18n or is there something new to <font> tags now?

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juski:

I did good somewhere?

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kormoc:

Are there many (any?) horizonal themes?

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Dagmar:

THe text definitely looks nice like that tho

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juski:

kormoc: minimalist-wide

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kormoc:

ahh

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** kormoc pokes at his ebuilds some more **

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jams:

there are two minimalist-wide at midnight version 1.0

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juski:

I'd love to do a proper horizontal theme where the centre is the currently selected item & the other buttons move left-right

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kormoc:

2 of the three cache svn checkouts now, just gotta update the themes one

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juski:

I'll be doing mythgame screens for all my themes soon thanks to a user's whine

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juski:

and I had an actual look at it – won't take too long per theme :)

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jams:

juski- i got bored with coding and decided this would be a nice sidetrack

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kormoc:

I wish photos worked better for themes

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juski:

kormoc: they're hard work

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juski:

and I'll *try* not to be offended by that statement :-P

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

I mean, I love a specific photo ( https://www.kormoc.com/pictures/albums/Wallpa . . . 560x1600.jpg ) and would love a theme based on it... but uhh... I can't see how it would ever actually work

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juski:

see I think icons generally don't look _real_ enough. or they look too computerish & a bit cheesy

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Mr_Grieves:

kormoc: that fixed it :)

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kormoc:

Mr_Grieves, nifty

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juski:

kormoc: too much contrast in the photo, but I wonder if it's not too far off to use as a background

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ubuntuEdgy:

juski: i like that idea, like a rotating middle ?

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: no

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok then i dont like it

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juski:

you can't do UI bling in mythtv without ripping out half the UI code

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ubuntuEdgy:

:-)

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kormoc:

juski, well, if you'd ever want to play with it, I'd be happy to get permission to use it in myth from the photographer :P

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juski:

heheh

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ubuntuEdgy:

use tricks juski

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juski:

use tricks my ass

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juski:

there's no trick that can fool the user into thinking that the UI is nicely animated

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ubuntuEdgy:

can i have diffrent backgrounds for each windows

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kormoc:

the use of tricks imply being clever, and as we all know, being clever is a bad thing :P

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: for most you can

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ubuntuEdgy:

greattt

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: but to save memory, keep the same background & overlay different elements. look how mepo-wide does it

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ubuntuEdgy:

now i need to figure out how

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: saving memory is GOOD

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ubuntuEdgy:

its cheap

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juski:

I shaved over 2MB from blootube-wide – down to 18MB from 20MB

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kormoc:

ubuntuEdgy, bandwidth isn't

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: by the time it gets scaled to 1920x1080, it's not so cheap

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok, good idea

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juski:

or you could just not care like I do :-P

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kormoc:

"If you want to use my theme, you can pay for the 32 gigs of ram..."

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ubuntuEdgy:

i dont give F*<k to be honest

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ubuntuEdgy:

2 mb , you have to be kidding

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ubuntuEdgy:

mabe 10 ....then i would think about it

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: 2MB from the tarball

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kormoc:

if 10,000 people download said theme, that just saved 20 gigs of traffic

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ubuntuEdgy:

juski will host it for me so im fine

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juski:

then 1280 * 720 * 5 * 4 * whatever res you scale to..

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: fluck orf

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ubuntuEdgy:

(-(

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juski:

I'm looking fwd to not even having to host my own themes :)

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kormoc:

ubuntuEdgy, saying things like that when you're new to the community is the easiest way to get labeled a douche and then dismissed by lots of people

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ubuntuEdgy:

realy dont care...mate

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kormoc:

ubuntuEdgy, then why are you in the channel?

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juski:

kormoc: I'm not new, have done loads, and still get called all sorts of names. I used to care more ;)

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ubuntuEdgy:

huh?

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kormoc:

juski, heh, I know :P

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ubuntuEdgy:

i like your style juksi........

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juski:

still getting called nasty when I (sometimes not very gently) suggest people might want to read the docs & not be lazy assholes but hey you can't win em all

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kormoc:

yeah... a lot of the time I just daydream of kickban fests...

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juski:

I just hope we don't get any assholes at LRL.. I almost snapped last time I talked to a kid who whined about mysql

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ubuntuEdgy:

how old are you jusk

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ubuntuEdgy:

older then 30

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juski:

first damn person I spoke to on the weekend & he was this kid who stood there stomping his foot – literally

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juski:

35 if I make it to the end of july

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ubuntuEdgy:

nice age ?

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Zider:

juski: I thought you were 15!

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juski:

not averse to taking my toys home though.. but that's online presences for yer

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Zider:

;)

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ubuntuEdgy:

me too

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ubuntuEdgy:

i know gnomegarden is 20 or 19

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Zider:

<- 30

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ubuntuEdgy:

!seen gnomegarden

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MythLogBot:

gnomegarden has not been seen here

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Zider:

(yeah I know, hard to berlieve)

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Zider:

-r

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Zider:

ubuntuEdgy: you mean gardengnome maybe?

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ubuntuEdgy:

!seen gnomegaden

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MythLogBot:

gnomegaden has not been seen here

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ubuntuEdgy:

!sen gardengnome

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Zider:

!seen gardengnome

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MythLogBot:

gardengnome was last seen 9 days 10 hours 21 minutes 26 seconds ago

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Zider:

:P

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: I'd hate to see your xml. man you're gonna see mythfrontend segfault a whole lot!

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ubuntuEdgy:

lmaoo

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jams:

or screenshot3 ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

i been having lost of crashes here

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ubuntuEdgy:

now i know why......thank juski

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juski:

jams: 3 is best.. more er.. consistent

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jams:

yeah it just looks better to me

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jams:

i wasn't even going to use a selectin bar, but it's two hard to tell just from the txt color

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clever[rev]:

the volume on my tv keeps diping down very low every now and then

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juski:

clever[rev]: get new cables

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clever[rev]:

happens mostly when using the tvout from the pc(mythtv or mplayer) but its also happening with raw coax

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jams:

well easy to see on the monitor, but not so easy on the big screen

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clever[rev]:

i dont see how cable problems can affect raw coax analog channels

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clever[rev]:

coax goes right into the tv and thru the internal tuner

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jams:

holy crap...where did the time go

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Zider:

are there something else than "raw" coax? ;)

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juski:

cooked coax?

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Zider:

:D

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clever[rev]:

lol

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juski:

yummy

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Dagmar:

...with a light chianti

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Zider:

fried perhaps

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clever[rev]:

theres digital channels on the cable also

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clever[rev]:

but im bypassing the cable box atm

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Zider:

clever[rev]: "coax" is a kind of cable :P

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Zider:

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Zider:

;)

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clever[rev]:

yeah but how can the audio thats encoded in there be affect without the video being affected?:P

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ubuntuEdgy:

=-O really

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kormoc:

clever[rev], your cable co sucks, call them and bitch

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clever[rev]:

kormoc: if it was a problem at the broadcaster end then why does it affect audio comming from the pc?

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kormoc:

cause the signal from the cable co dipped as well

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kormoc:

unless you are saying that a tv directly hooked to the line doesn't do the same thing as the tuner

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clever[rev]:

but im playing mp3 files off the harddrive thru mplayer:P

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clever[rev]:

mp3 files on the pc going to the tv's input has the same random volume problem

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kormoc:

then talk to #alsa

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clever[rev]:

if it was a alsa problem then why does it affect the analog channels using the tv's internal tuner

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clever[rev]:

with the pc out of the loop

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kormoc:

all your hardware is broken

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juski:

clever[rev]: sack the hotel tv :)

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clever[rev]:

my best guess is a problem internal to the tv

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kormoc:

so why are you bugging us about it?

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clever[rev]:

it was a used tv also from a pawn shop:P

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clever[rev]:

just wondered if you had any better ideas that still explained it

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juski:

the TV is cheap & nasty!

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clever[rev]:

lol

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Zider:

nestea!

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clever[rev]:

250$ is cheap?:P

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Zider:

CRT?

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clever[rev]:

yes

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Zider:

eww

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Zider:

not cheap :P

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clever[rev]:

lol

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Zider:

I wouldn't pay $25 for a CRT even

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juski:

ok then so it's just *nasty* lol

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clever[rev]:

the screen on this one is larger then any of our other tv's

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clever[rev]:

also a button press on the remote causes it to act like the signal is widescreen and just project it diff

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clever[rev]:

like addjusting the V stretch of a moniter

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Zider:

and its weight makes your house sink into the ground? ;P

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kormoc:

you need to get off your ass and get a job and buy decent hardware and then things will work much better

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clever[rev]:

http://clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/laptop/img_3090.jpg

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clever[rev]:

cant realy tell how large the tv is from that image

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Zider:

20–25" something like that

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clever[rev]:

28" i think

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juski:

I hear Ben Dover Productions Inc are still looking for a fluffer

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Zider:

I have a 32" widescreen CRT.. weighs 55 kilos.. ew.. :P

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clever[rev]:

lol

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juski:

yeah mine weighs about that much

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Zider:

it's monstrous :D

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juski:

almost ruptured myself lifting it onto its stand

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clever[rev]:

lol

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Zider:

I can imagine

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clever[rev]:

inputs it takes are coax composite component svideo

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juski:

next time I'll pay the £25 install fee

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Zider:

next time I'll get an OLED :P

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juski:

oh yeah or that!

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Zider:

hopefully they'll have the lifetime issue solved by the time I can afford one ;)

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juski:

they got it sorted with plasma more or less didnt they?

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juski:

I mean ave 10 years aint bad

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juski:

so they reckon there are lifetime issues with OLED?

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Zider:

there are, it's quite short

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Zider:

unless they recently fixed it

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juski:

http://www.oled-info.com/tags/lifetime_0

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Zider:

20000 hrs burntime IIRC

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juski:

yeah but that's solid white time

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Zider:

well my TV is on pretty much all night and most of the day :P

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Zider:

2.3 years "on-time"

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juski:

be nice to see lovely black blacks though :)

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Zider:

yesh :D

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Zider:

yeah

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Zider:

and having a reeeeally thin TV

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juski:

though I've just maximised this terminal, no light inthe room, on this monitor I can't really make out the backlight#

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juski:

it's prolly close to background light as a CRT is

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juski:

but without the distortion ;)

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Zider:

hehe

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Esotericisms:

GreyFoxx, you around?

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ubuntuEdgy:

i just found a way to do a nice animation :-D

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juski:

how?

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ubuntuEdgy:

its so nice

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juski:

yeh yeah. HOW?

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ubuntuEdgy:

i cant discribe it

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ubuntuEdgy:

show you when its all done

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juski:

not alphapulse I hope

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juski:

not page flipping either I bet

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ubuntuEdgy:

now i think i can make things slide, i alredy got fade :D

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ubuntuEdgy:

i dont use gimp

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juski:

the OSD is the only thing that can slide & fade under a theme's control

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ubuntuEdgy:

its a picture trick

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ubuntuEdgy:

the picture stay at the same place but the text is moved

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juski:

oh god hjelp us

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ubuntuEdgy:

make sense

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ubuntuEdgy:

do fish what

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juski:

I'm not buying it

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ubuntuEdgy:

i dont think they do...........

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ubuntuEdgy:

you gona love it

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juski:

I've made my mind up. no I'm not

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ubuntuEdgy:

its just mythtv showing a sequence of pictures, like the mepo tv animation

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ubuntuEdgy:

you knwo the "tv signal animation?

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juski:

oh the lame kind of animation that stops when you select different menu items

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ubuntuEdgy:

mepo dose not do that

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juski:

you don't notice it stop. that's the trick

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ubuntuEdgy:

works 100 % here

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juski:

make a smoothly rotating logo & see what happens

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ubuntuEdgy:

make it good , and it will work

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juski:

bullshit

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ubuntuEdgy:

why rotating?

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juski:

the image sequence playback isn't as good as it needs to be

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ubuntuEdgy:

its boring

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juski:

well anything with smooth transitions

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juski:

and ANY kind of loop is BORING :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh, i know

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ubuntuEdgy:

thats why mines will only do the animtion when a use enter the menu

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TSCHAK2:

SO MAKE IT ALREADY

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ubuntuEdgy:

enter*

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juski:

well yeh if you wanna waste time, memory & effort doing that it's your perogative. I spend 2 or more hours on it the other day & was pissed off to see how good it didn't work

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TSCHAK2:

BEFORE WE BEAT YOU WITH SWORDFISH!!!

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TSCHAK2:

:-P

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TSCHAK2:

:-)

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ubuntuEdgy:

i already have......... TS

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kormoc:

!trout ubuntuEdgy

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** MythLogBot slaps ubuntuEdgy with a trout on behalf of kormoc... **

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juski:

the spinning logo looks good on its own.. not so good when myth drops frames

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kormoc:

next time... swordfish!

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ubuntuEdgy:

lol

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juski:

I know I carp on a lot about themes but I have screenshots & videos

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juski:

and real downloadable themes too :-P

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ubuntuEdgy:

the whole base of the theme is done :)..just need to polish it up

[02:04:04]

TSCHAK2:

the problem that most people have with making animations, is that they've...never...um...studied animation....even as a hobby :-P

[02:04:31]

juski:

TSCHAK2: I'm jack of all trades, master of precisely *none*

[02:04:42]

TSCHAK2:

juski, same boat.

[02:04:46]

juski:

the guy who made the MePo character is a pro animator

[02:05:00]

ubuntuEdgy:

give it a rest will you

[02:05:01]

juski:

we're never likely to see an original made for mythtv as good as that

[02:05:26]

kormoc:

one day...

[02:05:38]

juski:

kids' theme next

[02:05:46]

juski:

that'll be fun to make.. and tough

[02:05:58]

kormoc:

ubuntuEdgy, we're all from Missouri, the show us state

[02:06:10]

juski:

and I'll be like "hurry up with the multi-user stuff.. I have a theme already!"

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TSCHAK2:

I always laugh when I hear that

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TSCHAK2:

or when someone says, "yeah, I'm from Norfolk." :-P

[02:06:55]

ubuntuEdgy:

lol

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: look at this.. THIS is menu animation: http://downloads.mythtvtalk.com/mythtv/videos/animock.mpg

[02:08:09]

TSCHAK2:

juski, very nice, the only thing I would do, is curve up the in/out tweens slightly.

[02:08:32]

juski:

TSCHAK2: it's a mockup ;)

[02:08:41]

TSCHAK2:

very nice

[02:08:51]

ubuntuEdgy:

how did you do that ?

[02:08:58]

juski:

in a video editor

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ubuntuEdgy:

whats it called

[02:09:11]

ubuntuEdgy:

very intresting

[02:09:23]

TSCHAK2:

some day, linux video editors won't suck

[02:09:27]

juski:

http://downloads.mythtvtalk.com/mythtv/videos/whoops.mpg

[02:09:27]

TSCHAK2:

please dear god let that happen

[02:09:41]

juski:

yeah TSCHAK2 then I'll move my desktop to linux

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ubuntuEdgy:

you're animations are a bit repetitive thou

[02:09:55]

TSCHAK2:

if all we'll ever have at the top

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TSCHAK2:

is Cinelerra

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TSCHAK2:

we are doomed

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TSCHAK2:

:-P

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: it's not a fscking 50 frame loop though

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TSCHAK2:

(and yes, I have tried multiple times to use cinelerra for video work.. it's klunky to say the best.)

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: at least it'd change with every watermark

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TSCHAK2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykzqFz_nHZE <-- moment of zen

[02:11:24]

juski:

and don't forget that if you have enough abstraction you can quite easily do stuff like randomly pull each screen element off to the side/top/bottom & do all sorts of weird stuff

[02:11:40]

juski:

the trick is getting the code in there to do it all

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ubuntuEdgy:

have you asked in ther dev channel for the coding

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TSCHAK2:

juski, i'm looking into the OSD stuff.. and am wondering if the "right way" to do things is to shove an XML file down the OSD port, or if there is an API feature to do this (from within a module)

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kormoc:

ubuntuEdgy, you might be misunderstanding myth. Myth is written by developers for developers, so you would have to code extras like that yourself

[02:12:56]

TSCHAK2:

juski, because I want to add OSD events for things that happen in the background, like dvd ripping, or recording an episode..etc.

[02:13:13]

TSCHAK2:

juski, little nice things to add the user friendly feedback touch :-)

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Beirdo:

kormoc, or alternatively somehow inspire a dev to do it for ya

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kormoc:

Indeed... Bribes are always welcome

[02:13:41]

kormoc:

:P

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Beirdo:

hehe :)

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juski:

TSCHAK2: it's called mythosd

[02:13:55]

Beirdo:

so the bot now reads mailboxes :)

[02:14:02]

kormoc:

I've heard

[02:14:07]

Beirdo:

I haven't turned that plugin on in this instance though

[02:14:12]

TSCHAK2:

juski, yes, i use the command line program, but I don't want to do that from within a module itself, fork a task...

[02:14:15]

kormoc:

how's it handle spam?

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Beirdo:

it doesn't

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ubuntuEdgy:

hey i try some thing with that mythosd it dint work

[02:14:31]

kormoc:

tis what I figured

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Beirdo:

It uses IMAP or POP3 to access a mailbo

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Beirdo:

mailbox rather

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TSCHAK2:

juski, although that WOULD make my job a lot simpler, I don't like kludges, if I can find a more elegant way.

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Beirdo:

deal with spam in the MTA :)

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** kormoc laughs **

[02:15:09]

kormoc:

Yeah, I know

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TSCHAK2:

SPAAAAAAAM ASSSAASSSSIIIINN!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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kormoc:

tis the only sucky thing with gmail is the lack of MTA access

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Beirdo:

you can pop3 from em

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TSCHAK2:

yeah

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TSCHAK2:

ew ew ew ew ew

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ubuntuEdgy:

config = mythtvosd --template=alert alert_text="Power pressed" -Shutting Down NOW!" && /sbin/halt

[02:15:45]

ubuntuEdgy:

why dose that not work ?

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Beirdo:

and smtp to them with authentication, IIRC

[02:15:54]

kormoc:

yeah, but it's prefiltered, and thus non-tweakable

[02:15:59]

TSCHAK2:

ubuntuEdgy, WFM

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Beirdo:

ahh, I see your point

[02:16:11]

Beirdo:

good thing their spam filtering is good

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kormoc:

yeah, it's quite nice

[02:17:07]

ubuntuEdgy:

WFM ?

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juski:

works for me

[02:17:50]

ubuntuEdgy:

ohh well

[02:18:12]

Beirdo:

anyways, my next thing to tackle is the trac plugin, I think

[02:18:30]

Beirdo:

Oh, and I added support for RSS feeds with HTTP auth

[02:18:51]

Beirdo:

nothing to test it on though, so once xris gets a chance it would be cool to see it working

[02:18:51]

kormoc:

ooh, nifty idea

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Beirdo:

he was asking about the possibility

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** Beirdo dreads actually writing documentation for this f'ing bot **

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Beirdo:

:)

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kormoc:

hehe, make xris write it :P

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Beirdo:

heh, he might get YOU to do it, be careful

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** kormoc laughs **

[02:20:38]

kormoc:

he knows better by now :P

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Beirdo:

ooooh ;)

[02:20:48]

kormoc:

"To use the plugin smtp just use it like I would"

[02:20:54]

Beirdo:

heh

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juski:

well, can't make any more inroads into my plugin code, so bedtime I think

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kormoc:

night juski

[02:21:09]

kormoc:

night juski

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juski:

night all

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Beirdo:

night, juski. sleep well

[02:21:29]

kormoc:

I can't wait for the day focus follows my eyes...

[02:21:35]

Beirdo:

I hope to add an ncurses or slang console to the bot soon too

[02:21:54]

Beirdo:

but that will require mucho minor architectural changes

[02:22:25]

Beirdo:

but that might make configuration easier too, just enter the stuff on the console, have it save to the sql

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TSCHAK2:

hmmm

[02:24:45]

TSCHAK2:

I think the one thing I like about MePo

[02:24:52]

TSCHAK2:

is the recording icons

[02:24:58]

TSCHAK2:

comm flag, expire, etc.

[02:25:14]

TSCHAK2:

very well designed though, I'd just like to make some small changes

[02:25:31]

ubuntuEdgy:

yes its nice

[02:25:52]

ubuntuEdgy:

glenn is very good with grapichs

[02:26:24]

ubuntuEdgy:

(the author )graphics*

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rooaus:

ubuntuEdgy you have unmatched quotes in the command line you posted, could that be the prob? Also the ! in the string is an event specifier (or something) try string quotes: 'Shutting down NOW!'

[02:28:05]

ubuntuEdgy:

"Power pressed" -Shutting Down NOW!"

[02:28:13]

ubuntuEdgy:

should be "Power pressed -Shutting Down NOW!"

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Beirdo:

or even "Power pressed – Shutting Down NOW\!"

[02:28:57]

ubuntuEdgy:

really

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok i will try that

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Beirdo:

well, if that string is running in a shell, you need either ' ' quotes or to escape the !

[02:29:50]

Beirdo:

otherwise (as rooaus mentioned) the shell will interpret it to mean something you didn't intend

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rooaus:

Thought so, but is that executed from bash? If I use the escape \! the backslash shows on screen. But if I use '!' then it seems OK...

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Beirdo:

not sure :) playing around with it might help

[02:30:20]

Beirdo:

or use ... instead of ! :)

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Beirdo:

totally avoid that snafu

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok thanks

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Beirdo:

UNIX shells can be a severe PITA :)

[02:32:07]

rooaus:

But better than MS shells ... ;)

[02:32:19]

Beirdo:

hehe, better understood for sure

[02:32:42]

Beirdo:

and WAY better documented too

[02:36:35]

Beirdo:

oh dang

[02:36:51]

Beirdo:

I just realized it's been almost 10 years since I wrote any ncurses code

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rooaus:

I have started writing a patch to fix the local context override of jump point bindings... Sphery said in the mailing list that the preferred method was to fix individual cases rather than prioritising local context above jump points,

[02:39:57]

rooaus:

My initial implementation is to add an excludedJumpList parameter to TranslateKetPress so that excluded jump points can be specified by the caller, does any have any comment about this approach?

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ubuntuEdgy:

!english rooaus

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ubuntuEdgy:

:-P

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kormoc:

rooaus, makes sense to me... might want to post it to the -dev list and see what others think

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ubuntuEdgy:

still no luck mythtvosd --template=alert alert_text="Power pressed-Shutting Down NOW"

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Beirdo:

not sure, but maybe that might supposed to be --alert_text= ?

[02:44:33]

Beirdo:

I've never used mythtvosd

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kormoc:

works for me (tm) (r)

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ubuntuEdgy:

this works mythtvosd --template=alert alert_text="Power pressed-Shutting Down NOW"

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ubuntuEdgy:

how ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

didnt work

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rooaus:

Kormoc, I tried on the -dev IRC (or did you mean mailing list)...

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kormoc:

rooaus, mailing list

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wastrel:

hi

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rooaus:

kormoc, no worries, thanks.

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ubuntuEdgy:

if only juski was here

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rooaus:

ubuntuEdgy, the following works for me: mythtvosd --template=alert alert_text='Power Pressed -shutting down NOW!'

[02:50:28]

ubuntuEdgy:

i been at this for hours now

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rooaus:

are you using trunk?

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ubuntuEdgy:

nope

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ubuntuEdgy:

whats a trunk :-D

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rooaus:

I am, not sure if that makes any difference though

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wastrel:

i need to figure out how to control my cable box from myth

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ubuntuEdgy:

you mce remote and blaster?

[02:53:50]

ubuntuEdgy:

i was told they work

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wastrel:

i need a blaster i guess

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rooaus:

ubuntuEdgy do you have a firewall running...

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ubuntuEdgy:

excuse me ?

[02:55:09]

ubuntuEdgy:

no

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ubuntuEdgy:

sould i

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ubuntuEdgy:

talk to me rooaus

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kormoc:

ubuntuEdgy, or selinux?

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kormoc:

wastrel, or firewire

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ubuntuEdgy:

nothing

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rooaus:

ububuntuEdgy, mythtvosd sends broadcast udp packets

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wastrel:

firewire what now?

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kormoc:

a stupid router? network broadcast address setup correctly?

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ubuntuEdgy:

i just found out

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rooaus:

so that all frontends on the network can get the messages

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jams:

ubuntuEdgy- you are aware that mythtvosd only works while video is playing

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kormoc:

wastrel, firewire, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire

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ubuntuEdgy:

no i did not know

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ubuntuEdgy:

thank you guys

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ubuntuEdgy:

you alll so 8-)

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wastrel:

i don't think my cable box has firewire

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ubuntuEdgy:

unlike fcing juski

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Beirdo:

huh?

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rooaus:

ubuntuEdgy, if you need to pop the message up over the menus etc (non video overlay) you can use xosd libs. It isn't too hard to write your own app...

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ubuntuEdgy:

>:o

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kormoc:

Beirdo, juski had the gull to tell ubuntuEdgy that animating themes was hard work, and thus ubuntuEdgy hates him now

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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ubuntuEdgy:

its not hard

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Beirdo:

have you actually done it?

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Zider:

ah there we go

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ubuntuEdgy:

yes i have :-*

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ubuntuEdgy:

and i plan on doing more complex ones

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Beirdo:

well, enjoy then :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

im not saying its better then the proper way...........no im just saying its good considering

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kormoc:

considering you won't share what this magical new way you are doing things are...

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Beirdo:

ahhh, the true spirit of open source

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ubuntuEdgy:

its a suprise

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ubuntuEdgy:

for all you guys

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Beirdo:

bah

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Dagmar:

You know

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Dagmar:

A suprise

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Dagmar:

Like when you wake up in the morning and the cat has left a dead, bloody rabbit on your clean bedsheets right next to you

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Sid`:

haha

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Beirdo:

supplys!

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Sid`:

my stupid cat did that the other day

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Sid`:

left an dead pidgeon in one of my slippers

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Sid`:

i could have killed the bastard

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ubuntuEdgy:

just thou i ws talking about this kind of animation, witch i know dose now work very nice

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Beirdo:

how thoughtful

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ubuntuEdgy:

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7528/titlemythtvex2.gif

[03:08:11]

ubuntuEdgy:

juski*

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kormoc:

ubuntuEdgy, given you can't even spell or type correctly, I'm hard pressed to believe you can even open a file in gimp...

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ubuntuEdgy:

lmao

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Dagmar:

Iv'e gotta say it

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Dagmar:

How is it managing to make my flat panel's image unstable

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ubuntuEdgy:

im uni ck

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ubuntuEdgy:

one of a kind

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Beirdo:

thank $DEITY

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wastrel:

hi

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ubuntuEdgy:

its my wireless key board it dose not work , like the way it used to

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kormoc:

Sadly, not very one of a kind... clever is quite similar to ubuntuEdgy...

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ubuntuEdgy:

i don't even know where the receiver is

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Beirdo:

so get off your duff and find it

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Beirdo:

it can't be that far from the computer it's attached to

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ubuntuEdgy:

why would i get wireless then. if its not going to be far ?

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Beirdo:

huh?

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kormoc:

it's under the pile of empty mt.dew cans and skid-marked whities

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Beirdo:

the receiver's attached to the computer by wire(s)

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Beirdo:

!trout ubuntuEdgy dumbass

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** MythLogBot slaps ubuntuEdgy with a dumbass trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Beirdo:

heh

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ubuntuEdgy:

you dont get it do you

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ubuntuEdgy:

the C O M P U T E R is far

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Beirdo:

oy! so move closer :)

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kormoc:

ubuntuEdgy, he never said it would be close to you, just close to the computer.

[03:15:19]

Beirdo:

let me recap...

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Beirdo:

<ubuntuEdgy> i don't even know where the receiver is

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Beirdo:

<Beirdo> so get off your duff and find it

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Beirdo:

<Beirdo> it can't be that far from the computer it's attached to

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ubuntuEdgy:

kormoc nice to see you put you brains in use

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kormoc:

ubuntuEdgy, it's a daily thing for me, when can I see the same from you?

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ubuntuEdgy:

common guys you know that the keyboard is far from the c

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ubuntuEdgy:

pc*

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Beirdo:

whatever, don't care

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ubuntuEdgy:

thanks B

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ubuntuEdgy:

dose any one have some nice backgrounds, i cant find the ones i was gona use

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kormoc:

Dave123, please don't flood the channel. please use a pastebin for any pastes

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ubuntuEdgy:

spent 3 hours looking for the lost background, and still counting

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extremis:

anyone have a geforce4 440mx?

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Beirdo:

OK, bedtime for me

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NightMonkey:

Howdy. Anyone used mkiconmap.pl in contribs with recent-ish 0.20-fixes? It won't accept my postal code for some reason.

[04:23:32]

NightMonkey:

Or, is there a better way to grab channel icons for zap2it users?

[04:25:09]

NightMonkey:

Ah, I have an older version of xmltv installed, perhaps upgrading that will fix this...

[04:29:34]

NightMonkey:

Ah, another, seperate query: I'd like to get updates via e-mail when certain programs have been recorded. Does this feature exist, or has someone coded up a cron script to do this that would like to share it?

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Dagmar:

Use the user-jobs

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Dagmar:

Check the docs for how

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tank-man:

make a small shell script to email you

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NightMonkey:

Dagmar: Ah, cool.

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NightMonkey:

tank-man: Sounds like a plan. Thanks.

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mchou:

so what's the real diff betw. Xvid and divx? which generally has better quality?

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zd:

one's opensource, the other notsomuch

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mchou:

but ist that really it?

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mchou:

is*

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zd:

both are mpeg4 implementations

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RayJones:

Hello, mythmusic can't find any music

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RayJones:

"Failed to run 'cdrecord --scanbus'" could be the possable error

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topping:

hi guys, anyone have script that will change the perms on /dev/video* ? Mine isn't working... KERNEL=="video*", MODE="0666" in /etc/udev/rules.d doesn't seem to fire

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topping:

its weeeeeird

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topping:

this is fedora 7

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xri1:

chmod work?

[05:14:39]

topping:

chmod works

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topping:

just doesn't stick between boots

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topping:

udev says it's reading the file

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topping:

(reading the configuration file)

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Anduin:

topping: are you editing the one that is there or adding one?

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topping:

adding one

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topping:

there doesn't seem to be one there yet for ivtv

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Anduin:

topping: at the end of the file?

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topping:

well, it's the only line in the file

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topping:

in /etc/udev/rules.d

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Anduin:

topping: line 127 of mine seems to do it for video* (though 0660)

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topping:

of which file?

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Anduin:

topping: 50-udev.rules

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topping:

ok i see that now. so i added OWNER="mythtv"

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topping:

no change

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topping:

reboot

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topping:

thanks for pointing that out Anduin :)

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Anduin:

topping: personally I have a 99-aewstuff.rules, as long as the previous rule doesn't disallow it you can override later

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topping:

right, it doesn't (i.e. doesn't use ':=')

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topping:

i just don't understand why this isn't catching

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topping:

it's as if i'm not even editing the correct files or something

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NightMonkey:

Wow, the new in-SVN channel_icons.pl script rocks. --find-missing Just Works(tm).

[05:36:37]

NightMonkey:

Correction – needed to fix one typo in a function, but it's close. ;)

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NightMonkey:

That might be due to my using 0.20-fixes perl bindings, tho.

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mchou:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/15/moneual-in . . . 00-301-htpc/

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hardnova:

hi

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hardnova:

i have a funny error that apears in the messages log as lircd : failure to connect to localhost , any ideas ?

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Anduin:

hardnova: are you invoking lircd with -c?

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hardnova:

yea im just looking at that seems there is a --connect=localhost:8765 in the options im not sure if thats needed ?

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Anduin:

hardnova: It isn't, not if your lirc device is actually on that machine

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hardnova:

Andvin ok right so thats for a remote remote when its lircd is runnning on a different machine ?

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hardnova:

Andvin yea its only local so i will remove the option

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Anduin:

hardnova: I believe so (I say having never actually done it)

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hardnova:

its all working ok i just wondered why i was getting the message , and i found a usb IR thing and was just going to see if it was reconised and if it worked

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hardnova:

can you have more than 1 IR reciever ?

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blah:

I think so, but from what I know usb recieves aren't well supported.

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Anduin:

hardnova: I don't know, I swap configs on the rare occasion I switch remotes

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blah:

Mmmm Firefly in 1080i....

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Anduin:

the client config file does recognize a remote= option

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blah:

Er, I'm not quite myself it seems.

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, the mce usb remote receiver works fine

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Tanthrix:

Oh really? Glad to hear it

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Tanthrix:

Especially with serial getting slightly harder to find

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Tanthrix:

Had to buy a header for my new mobo – I imagine it won't be too long before it disappears completely

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map7home:

I'm trying to get a USB IrDA device working under Fedora (Mythdora), can I use a USB IR device with LIRC?

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kormoc:

map7home, if lirc support it, yes

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map7home:

hmm, it's some cheap one off ebay, so maybe not

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map7home:

I cannot tell which chipset it uses.

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kormoc:

lsusb might be your only hope

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map7home:

it says it's a 'Dazzle' and i'm not kidding

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map7home:

hmmm dodgy thing

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gbee:

I've got a friend who has an old Xbox and he wants to know if he can use it as a frontend – I haven't really paid much attention in the past when people have been discussing this, what do I tell him?

[09:05:20]

kormoc:

gbee, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xbox_Frontend

[09:05:42]

gbee:

duh

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gbee:

thanks kormoc :)

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kormoc:

:)

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Esotericisms:

!seen GreyFoxx

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MythLogBot:

GreyFoxx is here and has been idle for 16 hours 50 minutes 6 seconds

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hardnova:

seems the video player crashes when going bacwards ?

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anykey_:

If I configure mythvideo to "Show folders for database views", why does it show the full path to the video files folder? i.e I used /share/Video/.mythtv/ as the directory which contains the movies, and now in the gallery mode I have to select share -> Video -> .mythtv until I see the files

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Anduin:

anykey_: remove the trailing / in your video root, yes a bug, may even be fixed soon

[10:17:07]

anykey_:

oh, nice =)

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anykey_:

thanks

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Ribs:

Is anyone else getting crashes every time a mythtv program exits?

[10:31:16]

Ribs:

I've had this on Mandriva 2007.1 and now getting the same thing on Fedora 7

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juski:

gbee: morning. tell your friend that linux on the xbox is a bit poo in only 32MB RAM – mythtv in that much ram is only barely just usable. The XBMC plugin is an agreeable way to play back mythtv recordings though – and is much faster than linux

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juski:

I used an xbox as my frontend in the very early days – I found linux way too slow to bear

[10:45:41]

Ribs:

"An Xbox makes a wonderful standard definition MythTV front end due to its reasonably powerful CPU and graphics subsystem. The menus within MythTV aren't exactly snappy but it's good for the price."

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Ribs:

maybe that intro in the wiki is a bit misleading then :)

[10:46:23]

juski:

"way too slow to bear" == "aren't exactly snappy"

[10:46:46]

Ribs:

but "wonderful" ?

[10:46:59]

juski:

the problem is the lack of ram – playback etc is fine

[10:47:09]

Ribs:

ah

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juski:

it's very capable but slow to go through the menus

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juski:

on a PC with 128MB or more you can whizz through menus. on the xbox in linux you need to be very methodical

[10:48:20]

juski:

.. if you can even find xebian – I heard it's missing in action

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juski:

and IIRC last time I built linux on the xbox the TVout wouldn't overscan & I had to compile 6 lines of code into a hack to the tv encoder registers

[10:49:40]

juski:

hardly for noobs

[10:52:46]

Ribs:

ouch

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Ribs:

hrm

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Ribs:

trolltech are dropping qt3 support in July

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juski:

better get working on that port then!

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Ribs:

innit, heh

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Ribs:

I guess nobody started on any qt4 stuff?

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hads:

Qt4 is nice

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juski:

actually the port is being held off until qt4 is widely available IIRC

[10:54:45]

Ribs:

I've heard there is some legacy stuff in qt4 for qt3

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hads:

Yeah, there is

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juski:

Ribs: some, not much

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Ribs:

so a fair chunk of the code can be left as a stop-gap

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hads:

Qt4 is pretty widely available already

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Ribs:

just nobody uses it :)

[10:55:44]

clever:

whats qt4 got that qt3 hasnt got?:P

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juski:

trolltech offerred to help apparently. didn't hear anything else about it

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rooaus:

support by the sounds of it ;)

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clever:

lol

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hads:

http://trolltech.com/products/qt/whatsnew

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Ribs:

http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/qt4-intro.html

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rooaus:

SVG Rendering Support... hmm

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juski:

blech

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Ribs:

would that be usefull?

[11:04:11]

juski:

we don't want no svg theme schidt

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juski:

wooo vectors :-|

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Ribs:

not impressed, huh?

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juski:

nope

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juski:

have you _seen_ a lot of the OSS SVG icons? very sucky

[11:05:45]

Ribs:

not been paying much attention to it

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Ribs:

other people know better than me, so they make such decisions

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hads:

http://www.oxygen-icons.org/

[11:06:33]

rooaus:

juski, you don't think vector graphics would be better for theming? oh well...

[11:06:54]

juski:

rooaus: no I don't think so at all

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rooaus:

cool

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juski:

I could be swayed if the icons were actually good & not samey or cheesy

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Ribs:

hrm

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Ribs:

I kinda like 'em

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juski:

I'm already not a fan of the icons used in some of mythtv's themes. that's not to say they'll ever be pushed out (god no) but I don't like em

[11:08:47]

rooaus:

what about the animation aspect of svg?

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juski:

what about it?!

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juski:

you can animate bitmaps too – move em around screen, give perspective effects, mirroring etc

[11:09:39]

juski:

doesn't take much GPU power to scale a texture

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rooaus:

I haven't looked into the svg standard, I guess I thought it might give a bit more control though.

[11:10:37]

juski:

you know the other thing about the animation aspect of svg? so few people know how to do it!

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rooaus:

fair enough

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juski:

it's bad enough that there are so many lame bitmapped themes

[11:11:26]

juski:

I think moving to svg animated ones would only make the situation worse

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juski:

plus the only svg animations I've seen so far are lame rotating things – stuff rotating around other things.. nothing I'd call spiffy like the UI animations of frontrow etc

[11:12:38]

juski:

gees you're all gunning for myth getting an animated UI but I've not seen any code yet :-P

[11:12:57]

juski:

somebody must be able to do it

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rooaus:

yeah, animation and the rest of the eye candy can get very tiring after a while... features first (tm)

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juski:

look in mythscreenstack.cpp for a start & see if you can put any more transitions in there other than the fade.. opengl cube effect maybe?

[11:15:17]

rooaus:

Actually do you know if everything has been migrated to the new mythui (or whatever it was called)?

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juski:

mostly just the menus as far as I know

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juski:

the main menus

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rooaus:

I am not much of a (C/C++) programmer, actually I am an ASIC design engineer.

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juski:

VHDL etc not much use for animated UIs eh? ;)

[11:16:47]

rooaus:

LOL, you ain't wrong ;)

[11:18:55]

rooaus:

I might have a bit of a look in mythscreenstack.cpp, probably more voueuristic than to write any useful code... but you never know.

[11:20:29]

juski:

some of the foundations for real animation have been laid already – it's just a matter of finding em & putting the rest of the code in. I say 'just' like 'build Rome in a day'

[11:23:32]

rooaus:

Doesn't hurt to have a look, feel like I need to give something back, I have been using myth for a couple of years now.

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juski:

my next project is making a plugin to better set up the screen size in mythtv. not got far with it yet but it's my most ambitious project to date

[11:25:15]

rooaus:

Your themes a pretty cool, glad to see they made it into svn :)

[11:25:27]

juski:

they didn't make it in as such

[11:25:31]

juski:

I put them in

[11:26:00]

juski:

and they're not intended to be checked out en mass yet either

[11:26:22]

rooaus:

Is the plan for them to be part of myththemes or are there other plans?

[11:26:29]

juski:

a new theme choosing method/downloader is being considered

[11:26:38]

juski:

they'll never be part of myththemes

[11:26:45]

juski:

that's from the man at the top.

[11:27:20]

juski:

rather they could be but it'd have to be at the expense of others. making the decision as to which the others are would not make anybody popular

[11:27:52]

rooaus:

Oh, will the theme downloader be able to handle different binary installs vs 0.xx branches vs trunk?

[11:28:13]

juski:

all up in the air. nothing is concrete

[11:28:54]

juski:

there's talk of putting version info into themes to ensure you always use a theme which is supported by the version of mythtv you've got

[11:28:59]

rooaus:

If you ask me blue and minimalist-wide could go... but that's just me

[11:29:15]

juski:

hey I just fixed minimalist-wide up

[11:29:50]

Dagmar:

Let us set the placement grid size with themes, too.

[11:29:52]

Dagmar:

That would be nice

[11:29:52]

juski:

there's only one theme family I don't like

[11:30:12]

rooaus:

Sorry, I've never tried it after the first try ages ago.

[11:30:15]

juski:

I don't care who knows it either – MythCenter

[11:31:22]

juski:

gonna have a play with making it look nicer though.. and give it some more graphics where it needs em. most themes only need some attention – like the default graphics

[11:31:24]

rooaus:

I don't it's name, I don't like the MCE blue, but I do use it occasionaly

[11:31:41]

juski:

yeah Dagmar a theme definable base size would be cool

[11:32:12]

rooaus:

Myth shouldn't be compared with Micro$oft s...

[11:32:25]

juski:

might be nice to embed the theme type in there too – wide/ 4:3 / OSD

[11:32:44]

juski:

rooaus: I totally agree, but it's there & there's nothing I can do about it

[11:33:52]

juski:

also MePo-wide to a certain degree. yeah the little guy is cute but ripped from MEdia POrtal. that's caused some static. I don't much care either way but there are some zealots

[11:34:25]

rooaus:

I think it was Media Portal that had a feature to "colourise" some themes, I think it used something like imagemagick to adjust the colours of the artwork.

[11:34:33]

juski:

blech

[11:34:38]

rooaus:

lol

[11:35:16]

juski:

don't ever leave a decision of _taste_ to an end user

[11:35:58]

juski:

not saying I'm any sort of design guru but I must be doing _something_ right

[11:36:01]

rooaus:

I guess it like colouring by numbers

[11:38:50]

juski:

OMG. Kylie Minogue to star in Dr Who! wtf?!

[11:38:58]

Ribs:

pfft

[11:39:04]

rooaus:

wtf

[11:39:06]

Ribs:

tell me when Michelle Ryan's episodes broadcast

[11:39:09]

Ribs:

then I'll care :)

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Dagmar:

RUMOR

[11:39:17]

juski:

michelle ryan? who hell shee?

[11:39:25]

** Ribs slaps juski **

[11:39:33]

juski:

who hell she?!

[11:39:47]

Ribs:

http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0880557/Ss/088 . . . l?hint=group

[11:39:47]

juski:

oh ffs. slapper

[11:39:56]

rooaus:

I bet she isn't like "our" kylie

[11:39:56]

juski:

slapper can't act slapper

[11:40:09]

Ribs:

slapper?

[11:40:13]

Ribs:

why'd you say that?

[11:40:20]

Ribs:

Your words hurt Ribs :(

[11:41:26]

juski:

claim to fame... being in Eastenders.. lol

[11:41:31]

Ribs:

yeah

[11:41:36]

Ribs:

but she's kinda posh though

[11:41:41]

Ribs:

and well fit

[11:41:42]

juski:

you watched eastenders..

[11:41:45]

Ribs:

so that's all that matters

[11:41:46]

juski:

pfft

[11:41:55]

Ribs:

I want to make this very clear

[11:41:59]

Ribs:

I ONLY watched it for her

[11:42:04]

Ribs:

as soon as she left, I stopped

[11:42:07]

Ribs:

I promise!

[11:42:11]

** Ribs looks around nerviously **

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juski:

next you'll be saying you used to have posters of Martine McCutcheon on your wall .. lol

[11:42:21]

Ribs:

nah

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Ribs:

wasn't a fan of her

[11:42:29]

Ribs:

only Michelle :)

[11:42:49]

juski:

takes all sorts I spose

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juski:

anyway the Who has been good the last few episodes – very much worth watching. not worth keeping but then what is

[11:44:55]

Ribs:

I have very odd taste in women :S

[11:44:57]

** Ribs is werid **

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juski:

<3 sarah beeny.. I is weird

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rooaus:

juski, what's your plan for the screen size setup?

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juski:

a theme might define its base size with a <basesize>1280,720</basesize> tag in base.xml maybe

[11:46:31]

juski:

then we can possibly have 16:10 themes, or 1920x1080 themes

[11:47:07]

juski:

maybe even svg support eventually but NOT at the expense of bitmap support

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rooaus:

Ahhh, I thought you were talking about gui size adjustment to adjust for overscan...

[11:47:32]

juski:

oh that yes

[11:47:40]

juski:

www.juski.co.uk/appear-wiz.png

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rooaus:

excellent, that was a pain to muck around with and get right :)

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juski:

when you start the plugin, one arrow will be highlighted. move it around with the arrow keys. press select to highlight the other arrow. move that with the arrow keys. press M, bring up a menu to save/quit

[11:49:03]

juski:

maybe even put a slider on there for overscan, to use with nvidia-settings

[11:49:18]

killaz:

hi gushi Im curious how MythTV works with external HD ie USB2 or ethernet (NAS)

[11:49:47]

rooaus:

sounds good

[11:49:49]

juski:

anyway I'm gonna get ready.. popping into town for a spot of shopping & spend my paypal spoils

[11:50:11]

rooaus:

Cheers

[11:50:19]

killaz:

is this possible or will it cause trouble due to the write/read speed..

[11:50:35]

killaz:

anyone with some experience with external HD

[11:50:43]

killaz:

HD= harddisk in this case

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rooaus:

Not personally, but I think there are a number of people that do this...

[11:52:08]

rooaus:

Need a decent NAS and I think 100mb wired is recommened, but some people have said 802.11g works for them

[11:52:11]

killaz:

rooaus: cause lately I tried it and I had some very nasty problems with a NAS (cifs mount). So now I'm wondering if it the device or that the overall speed of ethernet/USB2 is too low dfor this

[11:53:21]

killaz:

bbl...

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gbee:

juski: thanks for the info, I'll recommend he try XBMC

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gbee:

fwiw, I reckon, at the right resolution, you could probably get away with 96Mb or even 64Mb for a frontend – wouldn't recommend it though

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gbee:

juski: what theme were you using back then for mfe on the xbox?

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juski:

gbee: went with Retro iirc

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juski:

or maybe it was mythcenter that I'd modified for LRL2006

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juski:

and yes it was running at 640x480

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Belboz91:

Hey all

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Belboz91:

anyone know how to use a wireless mouse as the remote?

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Zider:

eeeerrrrrr

[14:14:44]

Zider:

you can't?

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Belboz91:

Zider: I've seen it done on LinuxMCE

[14:16:21]

Zider:

MCE?

[14:16:30]

Belboz91:

www.linuxmce.org

[14:16:38]

Belboz91:

watch the video

[14:16:49]

Belboz91:

damn, sorry

[14:16:56]

Belboz91:

typo-squatter

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Belboz91:

http://linuxmce.com/

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Belboz91:

I had LinuxMCE running for a short time before it borked my xorg.conf and I could no longer load a GUI

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Zider:

well that's obviously not mythtv :P

[14:18:05]

Belboz91:

and it worked just fine with a mouse

[14:18:12]

Belboz91:

it's built on MythTV

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Zider:

mythtv is not meant to be mouse controlled

[14:19:12]

Belboz91:

LinuxMCE is often called a platform for developing smart home modules constructed by a variety of open source projects. The integration of these open source projects, such as Xine, Mythtv, and Asterisk, can be found in the LinuxMCE Software Documentation.

[14:19:29]

Belboz91:

then why do the 0.20 release notes say that it added mouse support?

[14:19:47]

Zider:

it's supported but not meant to be used

[14:19:55]

Zider:

AFAIK

[14:20:04]

Belboz91:

well, why not?

[14:20:28]

Belboz91:

a wireless mouse is the most logical solution to control a PC from a distance, is it not?

[14:20:31]

Dr_willis:

hard to use a mouse from the couch.

[14:20:34]

Zider:

it doesn't look like mythtv in any way

[14:20:41]

Dr_willis:

wireless keyboard is what i use. :)

[14:20:52]

Belboz91:

ah

[14:21:04]

Belboz91:

I guess I should have gotten one of those :-P

[14:21:05]

Zider:

Belboz91: a mediacenter is not just "a pc", it's a mediacenter.. meant to be controlled with a remote control.. :)

[14:21:14]

Dr_willis:

Id like to find a NON-MS wireless keyboard that has a touchpad/stick/somthing for the mouse as well.

[14:21:21]

Belboz91:

but a keyboard is clunky :-P

[14:21:32]

Zider:

I don't see any resemblance with mythtv at all in those screenshots

[14:21:40]

Belboz91:

lol

[14:21:49]

Belboz91:

but it's built with MythTV

[14:22:03]

Zider:

maybe they took some code from it

[14:22:23]

Belboz91:

I tried it for a while, but it was too big and too bloated for my taste, very hard to maintain and repair

[14:22:50]

Belboz91:

no, when I watched the install it fully installed mythtv, as well as the backend and frontend and all

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Dr_willis:

!info fspanel

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Zider:

well in any case, mythtv is still not meant to be controlled by a mouse :P

[14:23:50]

Dr_willis:

doh wrong channel :)

[14:23:50]

Zider:

the pointer isn't even visible :D

[14:23:58]

Dr_willis:

Zider, it is on my setup :)

[14:24:26]

Dr_willis:

i got a pc with monitor + tv. i gotta mouse over to controll the mythtv side.

[14:24:40]

Zider:

Dr_willis: hm, here it disappears when it gets over mythtv

[14:24:47]

Dr_willis:

Zider, its setable. :)

[14:24:51]

Zider:

ah

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Belboz91:

yeah

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Dr_willis:

and in many cases you can use the mouse.

[14:25:11]

Belboz91:

only I can't get it to do stuff like select music tracks

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Zider:

well, it's not my concern anymore.. don't have any mythbox..

[14:25:37]

Dr_willis:

well the mythmusic stuff is ... well.. i wont say.

[14:25:38]

Zider:

I'm unsure if I'll stay here even

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Belboz91:

is there any way I could control the frontend from a remote PC, like through MythWeb?

[14:26:01]

Dr_willis:

Belboz91, controll what part of the front end?

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Belboz91:

Dr_willis: everything if possible, I'd like to tell it what songs to play mostly

[14:26:38]

Belboz91:

create playlists and so forth

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Belboz91:

keyboard is so frustrating to use with that

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Dr_willis:

You mean controll with the mouse?

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Belboz91:

or a remote PC, but yeah, the input device would be a mouse

[14:27:45]

Dr_willis:

If that music interface has no stuff for mouse input/selection.. then you are stuck I guess.

[14:27:55]

Dr_willis:

wonder if mythweb has a interface for the music stuff.

[14:28:02]

Dr_willis:

I rarely use the music features

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Zider:

me neither.. the uinterfasce is a tad too.. err.. well.. never mind.. :P

[14:28:37]

Zider:

interface

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Dr_willis:

Yep – i hear its being worked on. but all i do is.. 'play all' normally

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Dr_willis:

bbl

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Zider:

hehe

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Belboz91:

What I've been doing is selecting various artists from the Select Music tool, and then adding them to a playlist, then I play it in smart random mode :)

[14:30:38]

Belboz91:

my "All Music" has a lot of junk I don't like to hear often :-P

[14:30:59]

Zider:

same here

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Zider:

over 100.000 songs

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Belboz91:

wow

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Zider:

err

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Zider:

10.000

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Belboz91:

2,905 here

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Zider:

11432 t obe exact

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Zider:

bah, my new hdd is still in gothenburg :/

[14:33:28]

thrall:

2400 ^^ Any suggestions when it comes to music?

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Zider:

anything you think is good :P

[14:34:03]

thrall:

Zider: Going there this summer. I can pick it up for you :P

[14:34:17]

Zider:

thrall: err, I think I'll wait until next week :P

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thrall:

You ordered from some company in gothenburg?

[14:34:50]

Zider:

yeah

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thrall:

Where do you live?

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Zider:

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thrall:

Sthlm here

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Zider:

ah

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thrall:

Gonna get me a 500GB seagate when I get some money :)

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immolo:

thrall- Not a 750G?

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thrall:

Nah, pretty sure the best price/gb are on the 500GB disks

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thrall:

Last I checked anyway.

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immolo:

last time I check a 750 was around the same price

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immolo:

but that was when they first came out

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immolo:

in UK anyway

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thrall:

I'll have a look then.

[14:41:59]

thrall:

2,85 SEK/gb for 750GB, 2,38 SEK/gb for 500GB

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wastrel:

mmm

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wastrel:

anyone built a serial ir blaster ?

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thedrummer:

Hello all

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thedrummer:

I have a question about video capture cards.. I'm thinking about buying the Hauppauge pvr-150 i was wondering if you think it's necessary to buy a remote control for it too.. or will I mostly use the mouse for myth tv

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scant:

is there an easy way to burn an iso image within mythtv?

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killaz:

hi wat is the benefit or disadvantage of LVM?

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killaz:

in other words why should I bother installing it.

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killaz:

oops wrong channel

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gbee:

thedrummer: mouse support is limited (non-existant) in mythtv

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gbee:

scant: mytharchive (not that I'd call it easy)

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thedrummer:

i see. thank you

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gbee:

thedrummer: it can be controlled via the keyboard, but it's usually assumed that most people will be using a remote control

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thedrummer:

oh. ok. so i'll definitely buy the card including the remot

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thedrummer:

ok.. and i'll be hooking this computer up to the TV .. will I need another Video out card?

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xri1:

thedrummer: nvidia 5200 if you can find one (standard def), otherwise 6200 or greater would also work great.

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xri1:

cheap, though. $20–30

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thedrummer:

wow. cool.

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thedrummer:

So you can't just use a standard out video card.. like an onboard.

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gbee:

thedrummer: needs to be nvidia really – other drivers suck

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thedrummer:

i see

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thedrummer:

thanks so much for the tips though.. i've never done this

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scant:

gbee: mytharchive allows you to burn an iso image already made?

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gbee:

scant: ahh, mis-read what you wrote – it might do, I don't know, thought you were asking about creating an iso

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scant:

gbee: i'm looking up growisofs

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scant:

although i'm not sure if i should be using cdrecord or growisofs

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xri1:

thedrummer: you can use onboard if you're just going to a monitor.. most boards don't have tv-out onboard, anyway.

[15:26:31]

xri1:

but gbee is right — driver support for tv-out on anything but nvidia is poor at best.

[15:29:48]

thedrummer:

what is a tv out usually? .. does the 5200 have Composite out ?

[15:30:00]

thedrummer:

or RCA , i mean

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xri1:

rca jack is a composite signal

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xri1:

and that would depend on the specific card that you purchase.

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thedrummer:

i see :-d

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thedrummer:

thanks

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xri1:

I personally prefer svideo or component, but there's honestly very little visual difference between svideo and composite.

[15:37:04]

thedrummer:

but with Svideo.. what about sound?.. would there be latency problems between the sound card and the video card?

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xri1:

no more than you'd have with any other solution (microseconds at most)

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thedrummer:

i see

[15:37:53]

thedrummer:

I have a Behringer USB out sound card.. it's amazingly inexpensive.. i think like 20 bucks it cost me.

[15:38:11]

thedrummer:

and of course, linux recognizes it

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thedrummer:

i'm running Ubuntu 7.04

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xri1:

should be fine

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xri1:

linux works fine with most onboard soundcards these days, too

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thedrummer:

sweet.. I just downloaded Mythbuntu 7.04 yesterday and i'll install that on my Media pc that i'm building

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xri1:

cool

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thedrummer:

on the Nvidia 5200 .. i only see VGA outputs ..

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thedrummer:

it says TV out.. but it almost looks like a VGA connector.. but white

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xri1:

that's likely dvi if it's white

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xri1:

the tv-out connector on a video card is usually either a yellow composite connector or a black connector that looks like svideo (that then goes to a breakout box with more plugs on it)

[15:48:12]

xri1:

you might have to find a different 5200 card.

[15:48:17]

xri1:

or just go with 6200 or newer

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xri1:

anyway, I need to head out. afk.

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thedrummer:

Yep ! .. i just looked it up..that's what my video card here at home has.. I have a Radeon 9600 .. do you think that would work for my tv out on Mythbuntu?

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thedrummer:

thanks though.

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thedrummer:

i don't know if my LCD tv .. has DVI connection

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thedrummer:

it's a brand new tv though

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thedrummer:

hmmm

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TSCHAK2:

thedrummer, probably HDMI

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TSCHAK2:

thedrummer, get a cable.

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TSCHAK2:

as for TV out, TV out connections are usually combination connectors... sometimes you MAY have component out, but usually they are composite and SVIDEO rolled into one connector

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Denidil:

going into livetv and attempting to access the EPG is causing system-wide hardlocks

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Denidil:

ideas?

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gbee:

system wide means video card drivers

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Denidil:

hmm

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Denidil:

Geforce 6200

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gbee:

which drivers though?

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Denidil:

but.. i haven't changed my nvidia drivers

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Denidil:

hmm

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Denidil:

the system is rebooting right now

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Denidil:

i'll look once it's booted up

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gbee:

only stuff directly in the kernel is able to lockup the whole system, as it's happening which trying to show the preview video in the livetv guide, that suggests the video drivers

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** Denidil is also using symlinks to /dev/video* **

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Denidil:

curteousy of udev

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Denidil:

i hit "guide" instant hardlock

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Denidil:

doesn't even start to render the epg

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gbee:

could be capture card drivers, but I'd expect that to affect livetv etc as well

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Denidil:

found a thread on ubuntu forums from someone else with ivtv cards reporting it

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Denidil:

they linked to an XvMC causes program guide to crash

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Denidil:

which i'm using XvMC

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Denidil:

someone reporting turning off realtime priority fixed it...

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Denidil:

hmm

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** Denidil will try that when his system finishes booting **

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clever:

i havent managed to turn realtime on yet for my backend

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Denidil:

that fixed it

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Denidil:

probably should file it as a bug

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Denidil:

RT threads + XvMC + IVTV = hardlock

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juski:

ivtv driver & via chipset motherboard?

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Denidil:

i think so

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Denidil:

lemme ssh over and lspci

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Denidil:

yup

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Denidil:

KT600

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mchou:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/15/moneual-in . . . 00-301-htpc/

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juski:

wow as 'little' as under $1000 eh

[17:02:39]

juski:

ah "a water-cooled AMD 64 Athlon X2 4400"

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juski:

better not have ATI inside it then eh

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mchou:

sure it has ati

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juski:

ah well. junk then isn't it

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Denidil:

i'm not impressed..... way overpriced

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mchou:

it aint about the price

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Denidil:

it's overpriced, under storaged, doesn't have an XvMC capable card

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Denidil:

and doesn't even have tuners at that price

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Denidil:

anyway.. i'm off to watch JP

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thedrummer:

you people are all sexy

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thedrummer:

just thought i'd let you know

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mchou:

storage? ever heard of bootp?

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mchou:

if you dont like ati there is nothing that prevents you from adding a nvidia card

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keith4_:

any particular reason why it's a bad idea to stop the master backend without stopping the slave(s) first?

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extremis:

anyone have a problem with the nvidia legacy drivers where it won't display out the svideo connector?

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kslater:

keith4_: I dont' think it will cause any problems if that's what you're asking

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keith4_:

i didn't either, but i stopped my master backend and the slave stopped responding to pings, ssh, etc

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sphery:

russellb: You around? I have a quick question about #3629.

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sphery:

russellb: Just wondering if query and subquery should even be created with new. Those are the only two lines in all of mythtv and mythplugins that use the construct new MSqlQuery(...).

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sphery:

russellb: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/5683 was the original changeset that implemented the MSqlQuery connection pooling stuff.

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gbee:

sphery: it's a good point (I've already committed that patch though)

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sphery:

Just saw the commit.

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sphery:

(BTW, I'm impressed you saw my messages here since I was trying not to put too much into the other channel since I didn't know if it would just be noise. :)

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gbee:

the mythmovies plugin still needs a little attention, so I'll sort out issues such as that when I get the time

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gbee:

busy working on the mythmusic playlist editor atm, could prove to be a lot of work for nothing if people don't like what I've done with it :)

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juski:

gbee: is it possible to have the playlist editor move along to the next item when you select the current item?

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juski:

save you going down, select, left, down, select..

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gbee:

juski: yeah, it's possible

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juski:

it was somewhere on my list

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gbee:

I'll do that, but my changes are pretty radical (in changes to the code) and so I'm focusing on the bigger stuff first, then I'll work out the little details

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juski:

coolioso :)

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juski:

I might yet figure out my plugin

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juski:

at least I worked out why it wasn't reading settings out of the database or printing my VERBOSE messages.. the path was setup wrong & it installed in /share ffs

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russellb:

sphery: gbee: agreed, doesn't seem necessary at all that they are allocated with new ...

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juski:

like whoops!

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gbee:

btw, because I've not yet decided – do people prefer the 'checkbox' playlist, or the 'add track on left to bin on right' approach?

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juski:

checkbox I think

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juski:

better for a remote IMHO

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gbee:

easier yeah, also makes best use of the space

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gbee:

I was leaning that way, but while I could still change it, I thought I'd ask

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russellb:

+1 for the checkbox playlist, FWIW

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jams:

For those who get lost in the menus http://jmeyer.us/e107_plugins/autogallery/aut . . . =MenuMap.png

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sebrock:

wow, plugged in a router today and port 60137 is getting totally bombed

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sebrock:

does anyone know what this port is for?

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sebrock:

can't find anything on google

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jduggan:

could always bind nc to the port and see whats being sent

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sebrock:

how do I do that?

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mikeones_:

hello

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jduggan:

sebrock: this is #mythtv-users not #linuxhelp... just read the man page ;)

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sebrock:

what is it not? WOW I must be way off then

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sebrock:

sorry

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keith4_:

okay, making progress with m slave backend... files are being written, and the frontend shows previews, but it won't play them

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keith4_:

and ideas?

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keith4_:

any

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kormoc:

keith4_, and the logs say?

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keith4_:

i don't even know which logs to look at

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keith4_:

the master backend show the client connecting

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keith4_:

the slave backend shows nothing

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keith4_:

if a recording was written by a slave backend, does it necessarily have to be served from that same backend?

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kormoc:

yes

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keith4_:

and even if so, how would the frontend get the preview, if it's not able to connect and get the full recording?

[19:16:35]

kormoc:

that's the reason having the slave backend logs and the frontend logs would be the next step

[19:16:44]

keith4_:

k

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keith4_:

ah, shit. it looks like the slave it reporting its IP as localhost

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keith4_:

so that means the master backend is serving the preview clips

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kormoc:

more likely not

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kormoc:

just different ways to get the files

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keith4_:

well, basically, the frontend asks the backend for a stream...

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kormoc:

just change the ip on the slave backend

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keith4_:

and the master backend returns with "the IP for the slave backend is 127.0.0.1"

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kormoc:

correct

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kormoc:

my point is myth doesn't use the same thing for previews as real files, hence why once works and one doesn't

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keith4_:

i'm workin on it... running mythtv-setup x-forwarded over wireless B... sllllllloooooowwww

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keith4_:

what does it do for previews?

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kormoc:

I don't know, but I do know it's not routed though the MBE, as I get previews when the MBE is off

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keith4_:

interesting

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keith4_:

maybe UDP vs TCP issue?

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keith4_:

through the slave, that is

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keith4_:

kormoc: that seems to have fixed it, thanks

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keith4_:

is there a way to set priority for where commflag and transcode jobs run?

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keith4_:

i know you can set max number of jobs to run on each backend, but i don't see priority anywhere

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linex:

Hello

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kormoc:

Mornin'

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jd86:

Hey

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linex:

If I don't have a tv-tuner and I don't have an mpeg-card , can I use myth-tv ?

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juski:

linex: yes but there's little point

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juski:

mythtv is way overblown for use as a simple media player

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linex:

I see

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linex:

But I have a 250 gig hard drive with like 50 movies in it.

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juski:

geexbox, freevo etc..

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linex:

what are those ?

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juski:

wow as many as 50 eh

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linex:

something like that

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juski:

linex: what is google? ;)

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linex:

ah ok

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mikeones_:

I am look at getting a hdtv but am not sure what kind of inputs are need for running it with mythtv and a pc frontend.

[20:04:24]

mikeones_:

is s-video the only option?

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kormoc:

HDMI/DVI are perfered for HD

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kormoc:

you can't get HD over svideo

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mikeones_:

ok

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jams:

juski did you see the menumap image i posted earlier.

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jams:

i knew there were lots of menu items, but that image really makes it stand out

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wastrel:

whoever said the hardware was the easy part is a moron

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kormoc:

wastrel, glad to see you're making friends...

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wastrel:

just annoyed that my stuff won't work :p

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cesman:

mikeones_: to clarify kormoc's statement, you cannot get HD resolution over svideo, however it will work

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mikeones_:

how about vga?

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** cesman watchs HD on his SDTV sometimes **

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cesman:

yes, that will work

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kormoc:

cesman, seems silly to use svideo from myth to a hdtv tho...

[20:30:36]

cesman:

silly it maybe, however it will work

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kormoc:

not as the person intends tho

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cesman:

mikeones_: do you have an HDTV?

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kormoc:

cesman, he's looking to buy one

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mikeones_:

yep, looking today

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wastrel:

my new/old motherboard doesn't recognize my drives and i can't get into the bios setup

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cesman:

kormoc: It will work, the person won't get HD it all it's glory. I'd say the person simply lacks knowledge in HD (DVI, HDMI) vs SVideo, etc....

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kormoc:

cesman, but a person who is hooking up myth to a hdtv is looking for HD resolutions, which svideo won't do, hence why sure it would work, but not as they intend

[20:34:37]

cesman:

mikeones_: take you time shopping....

[20:34:46]

cesman:

took me a while to fine the right HDTV for me

[20:36:08]

mikeones_:

cesman: any thing to look out for?

[20:36:30]

** cesman doesn't care for plasma **

[20:36:42]

cesman:

make sure you get an actual HDTV

[20:36:47]

mikeones_:

I want an lcd flat pannel

[20:37:04]

cesman:

that means 720P, it shouldn't scale

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kormoc:

there's 1080I/P LCDs too

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TSCHAK2:

although 1080p playback in linux is dodgy at best

[20:38:51]

kormoc:

dadgy?

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cesman:

I should have stated 720P minimum

[20:39:05]

kormoc:

it's more if you have the cpu power to do it, it's fine

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TSCHAK2:

yeah.

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TSCHAK2:

not many do at the moment

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kormoc:

TSCHAK2, it's not limited to linux at all, stop FUDing :P

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TSCHAK2:

i apologise if it seems that way

[20:40:24]

TSCHAK2:

but I did have to hack CoreAVC in to be able to play 1080p H.264 stuff on my Core 2 Duo box.

[20:40:25]

mikeones_:

how much cpu does one need for 1080p?

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kormoc:

depends on the codec, but typically a core 2 works well enough

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TSCHAK2:

it will get a lot better, soon though.. thank goodness...

[20:41:59]

TSCHAK2:

mikeones, it really boils down to the current codec stack.. ffmpeg as is right now doesn't have a multithreaded h.264 decoder, so when you're shoving 1080p down its throat, you need a massively fast CPU.

[20:42:13]

kormoc:

(for h264)

[20:42:32]

kormoc:

most 1080P stuff in the US is still mpeg-2

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TSCHAK2:

mikeones, and even then, still not 100% ..... there ARE patches being written, to refactor the codec into multiple threads, and to increase the efficiency of the codec overall, so that most Core 2 Duo CPUs at least can decompress h.264 reliably.

[20:44:28]

mikeones_:

what do you guys think about this? http://www.vizio.com/products/detail.aspx?pid=31

[20:44:31]

TSCHAK2:

mikeones, I took a very experimental route, and found a smattering of patches to get the libavcodec in mplayer to use the Windows CoreAVC DLLs to decompress h.264... they are more efficient currently, and can easily decompress H.264 on most mid to higher end machines now.

[20:44:54]

TSCHAK2:

mikeones, but as kormoc said, MPEG-2 1080P you shouldn't have a problem with, MPEG-2 takes much less power to decode.

[20:45:29]

mikeones_:

most if not all of my hdtv will be ota.

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TSCHAK2:

seems to be very good

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TSCHAK2:

but it seems odd to me

[20:46:51]

mikeones_:

what?

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TSCHAK2:

that even though the NATIVE panel res is 1920x1080

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TSCHAK2:

it states that PCs can only tune up to 1366x768

[20:47:21]

TSCHAK2:

I wonder if there is a magic modeline to get 1920x1080 on these panels?

[20:48:06]

Zider:

would say an xbox360 have enough CPU power to decode/play full HDTV resolution?

[20:48:23]

cesman:

mikeones_: I'd suggest (if possible) looking at a set in store

[20:48:26]

TSCHAK2:

yes

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kormoc:

TSCHAK2, that would likley be the res on the vga port

[20:48:31]

TSCHAK2:

always look in the store

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TSCHAK2:

kormoc, it says max 1024x768 via vga, 640x480 via HDMI

[20:48:45]

TSCHAK2:

jesus christ

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** kormoc blinks **

[20:48:58]

TSCHAK2:

these consumer electronics companies are pissing me off

[20:49:06]

kormoc:

where does it say that?

[20:49:13]

TSCHAK2:

two completely different sets of specs

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TSCHAK2:

ON THE SAME PAGE

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TSCHAK2:

kormoc, click on Details

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

bet it's the HDCP

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TSCHAK2:

Native Panel Resolution: 1920 x 1080

[20:49:56]

TSCHAK2:

Supported PC Resolutions

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TSCHAK2:

1366 x 768, 1280 x 720, 1024 x 768, 800 x 600

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TSCHAK2:

....

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TSCHAK2:

Computer: 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768 thru VGA or 640x480 thru HDMI

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kormoc:

HDCP if it can't verify the signal is specced to downsample it

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TSCHAK2:

yes, but they weren't supposed to actually enable that functionality just yet

[20:50:39]

TSCHAK2:

they were supposed to wait one more year

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kormoc:

indeed, but it looks like they did anyway

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TSCHAK2:

*sigh*

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mikeones_:

so that is a no-go?

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kormoc:

you'd be able to use component to get 1080 out of a computer, but otherwise, it looks sad

[20:51:52]

kormoc:

which is very sad as it's cheap for what it is

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TSCHAK2:

I was able to get my westinghouse 26" panel....with a native res of 1366x768... to do 1366x768

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TSCHAK2:

out the VGA port

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cesman:

mikeones_: a good place to search would be avsforum.com

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TSCHAK2:

which... I haven't tried the HDMI yet... I'm scared to try.

[20:52:34]

cesman:

see if you can find modelines for the TV you are interested in

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TSCHAK2:

great idea

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mikeones_:

thanks for the hint cesman

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cesman:

you're welcome

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juski:

you can't blow up a modern TV with dodgy video modes, definitely not LCD or plasma

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** jams doesn't understand how people can use a mac for exteneded period of time without getting super annoyed at the interface **

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juski:

jams: they're 'special'

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jams:

hehe i suppose so

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jams:

man i really dislike when i misplace my software installation cd's

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Belboz91:

Hey all

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Belboz91:

is there any way to play music while a photo slideshow is going?

[21:20:22]

Belboz91:

and fort hat matter, is there any way to keep the music playing while you're not in mythmusic?

[21:20:31]

juski:

no and no

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juski:

get coding ;)

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Belboz91:

what language is mostly used?

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juski:

c++ & qt

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Belboz91:

I took C++ about a year ago

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Belboz91:

intro and advanced

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Belboz91:

college

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juski:

mythgallery & mythmusic are completely different entities, and that's where your problem will lie

[21:23:42]

Belboz91:

do you know why the audio quality coming off mythweb sounds so bad?

[21:23:51]

juski:

huh?

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Belboz91:

should I just install a second frontend?

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juski:

what audio quality?

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juski:

the streaming of recordings?

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Belboz91:

yeah

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Belboz91:

off music

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Belboz91:

TV is fine

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juski:

no idea

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Belboz91:

dang

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Belboz91:

what is mythcontrols?

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Belboz91:

dah, nevermind

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squish102:

any1 use myth streamtv from mythweb with a HD recording? Does not seem to work for me, but SD works fine

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juski:

squish102: it's a bug-ette

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squish102:

ok, thx

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squish102:

i'll go fire up the frontend

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TSCHAK2:

ffmpeg is going, holy crap, BIG DATA, BIG DATA!!!

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zambaboo:

hi guys

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TSCHAK2:

yo

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zambaboo:

is there a configure flag that disables building the backend ?

[21:30:21]

TSCHAK2:

my god, putting my whole stargate sg-1 sets on the drive is gonna kill me

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juski:

zambaboo: yes but it doesn't work, so the 'help' option won't show you it

[21:30:30]

zambaboo:

i want the frontend, this machine builds forever

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TSCHAK2:

but I wanna back em up....

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juski:

zambaboo: backend doesn't add that much time to the build. leave it alone

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juski:

yeesh

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zambaboo:

juski, oh i see, so i should just bite the bullet and compile it all?

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** TSCHAK2 prays for 10 TB drives **

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zambaboo:

okay

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jams:

zambaboo- the backend is about 2% of the buildtime

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** zambaboo nods **

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zambaboo:

i compiled on edgy

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TSCHAK2:

hmmmm, Justin seems to be a bit irritated.

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zambaboo:

did a build-dep before that, but for some reason the thing compiled without mysql support

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kormoc:

zambaboo, last time I tested, it added around 2 minutes to my compile time to compile the backend on a celeron-d 2.13 ghz

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zambaboo:

kormoc, cool, thanks for the info. im compiling on a p3 1ghz

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kormoc:

zambaboo, if you're gonna compile from now on, ccache is wonderful

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** zambaboo googles **

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zambaboo:

hmm interesting

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** zambaboo apt-gets **

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EnderTheThird:

I have a bit of a weird problem with MythTV streaming to my Frontend. The video is really jumpy every and skips every 5–10 seconds before returning to normal and then skipping again. I checked the network usage and it keeps transferring up to 4 MB/s but then back down to zero

[21:41:36]

EnderTheThird:

I'm not sure if the buffer is too large or too small, but i can't seem to fix it. This only appears to be happening with HD broadcasts, but i have a 100 MBit LAN setup so it shouldn't be a problem

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone here?

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zambaboo:

yeah. cant help you though

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zambaboo:

hm does distcc works with this thing?

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kormoc:

check the io wait on the backend

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kormoc:

yes it does

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EnderTheThird:

kormoc, how?

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kormoc:

top ?

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zambaboo:

oh yeah :) 27402 distccd 30 5 133m 129m 4644 R 97.5 6.4 0:16.01 cc1

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zambaboo:

this is awesome.

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zambaboo:

so if i install this on several machine on my network, things should speed up, to say the least.

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Esotericisms:

!seen GreyFoxx

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MythLogBot:

GreyFoxx is here and has been idle for 1 day 5 hours 2 minutes 33 seconds

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Esotericisms:

GreyFoxx, you around?

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niter3:

When watching LiveTV and changing channels every few channels myth will crap out and the mythbackend log file reports an error of "writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected." . I am stumped with what to do.

[22:08:06]

directhex:

mythtv++ #organizes my files which have form ShowName SxEE EpisodeName [Part X] correctly, even when EpisodeName varies

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zambayoo:

man im streaming over 802.11b to my lappy that runs fe.. it's awesome!

[22:10:53]

zambayoo:

wow, fx just let ice t say that n word. hmmm.

[22:14:22]

niter3:

man this error is driving me insane. what the hell is it.. My computer seems to be runnign super slow, yet the cpu usage is only 20–30%...

[22:14:28]

niter3:

Now i'm trying to recompile the nvidia drivers

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niter3:

hrm...

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RyeBrye:

Where does Mysql store it's config and db files by default?

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Esotericisms:

Question, linux is taking the input from my remote and duplicating it twice, like when I press a button that action is done two times

[22:16:56]

RyeBrye:

There's a repeat function you can turn on to fix taht

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Anduin:

RyeBrye: maybe /etc/my.cnf and /var/lib/mysql

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RyeBrye:

Thanks, I'll look there :)

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** RyeBrye is moving his FC6 box up to F7 and installed F7 on /dev/sda and has his old FC6 on /dev/sdb mounted so he can pull his old files over **

[22:18:07]

Anduin:

If you were brave you would just upgrade FC6->F7

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RyeBrye:

I'm not that brave! :)

[22:18:47]

RyeBrye:

Although for giggles, I suppose I could upgrade /dev/sdb to F7 after I have migrated all my files and settings off of it

[22:18:56]

RyeBrye:

Just to see if the upgrade script actually works now

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Esotericisms:

anyone?

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RyeBrye:

Esotericisms, look for the repeat function... Google "lirc repeat" and you'll probably get an answer

[22:19:55]

Anduin:

Esotericisms: RyeBrye's comment after your question was an answer

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RyeBrye:

Esotericisms – I'd be more helpful and tell you specifically what it is, but I haven't dealt with it in so long I honestly don't remember. I just know there is an easy setting you can change

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Esotericisms:

My remote, isn't using lirc

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RyeBrye:

What remote is it?

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Esotericisms:

it is a niveus remote with a custom ati_remote driver

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Anduin:

It is the ATI one

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RyeBrye:

Oh.

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Esotericisms:

I have check the driver by adding debug code and recompiling it and the code is only getting sent once

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Esotericisms:

from the driver itself

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RyeBrye:

Hmm... Does it send keypress events or something?

[22:22:20]

Esotericisms:

so I know it has to be operating system related ... in this case FC6

[22:22:20]

Esotericisms:

RyeBrye, yes

[22:22:20]

zambaboo:

has anyone had success w/the IR port on thinkpads?

[22:22:23]

RyeBrye:

What does xev show when you open it and hit buttons on the remote? one keypress or two?

[22:22:27]

Esotericisms:

Anduin, no not the ati one ... niveus media, with a custom ati_remote driver

[22:22:29]

zambaboo:

in particular, i wonder if the remote bundled w/my pvr 150 will work with ibm's IR port.

[22:22:32]

Esotericisms:

xev? ... hrm ...

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Esotericisms:

idk ... that a kde app?

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RyeBrye:

Dunno. I think it's installed by some dev packages

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Zider:

an X app

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RyeBrye:

It's really useful for debugging input events

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Anduin:

Esotericisms: Yeah, I was taking that from your "my ati remote" over in #fedora

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Esotericisms:

ok, I will test ..

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Esotericisms:

Anduin, mistyped :)

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Esotericisms:

just second let me try xev

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RyeBrye:

I use xev to figure out what my keycodes are on multimedia keyboards to then build xmodmaps

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niter3:

man this is driving me insane. I cannot figure out how to fix this

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niter3:

urg

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RyeBrye:

not working?

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niter3:

errors

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niter3:

I can't figure this out at all

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niter3:

writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected.

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niter3:

That's my problem. I can't flip between livetv channels. The frontend will report error was encountered while displaying video.

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hads:

Does skamithi from trac IRC?

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RyeBrye:

strange

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Anduin:

hads: Yes, he is on currently

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hads:

Oh, in the other channel :) Cheers.

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niter3:

i just dropped the mythconverg database and i'm trying from scratch here.

[22:31:24]

niter3:

I'm clueless why this is all wacked.

[22:31:46]

Esotericisms:

RyeBrye, xev is showing KeyPress and KeyRelease twice

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Esotericisms:

that mean a driver issue?

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RyeBrye:

I would think so

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Esotericisms:

damn ... alright, I guess I will have to pour over the driver more :)

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Esotericisms:

thanks

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RyeBrye:

Does it only do it twice no matter how long you hold down the button?

[22:32:37]

RyeBrye:

is it possible it has an insanely high repeat rate?

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Esotericisms:

well the repeat rate is 100 miliseconds

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Esotericisms:

I mean if I just tap the button it does it twice

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Esotericisms:

I guess I could lessen it?

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RyeBrye:

100 miliseconds doesn't seem long, but you could try to make it a bit longer

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RyeBrye:

err, short

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RyeBrye:

Hmm... My QT doesn't seem to have the QMYSQL3 driver loaded in F7

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RyeBrye:

that's annoying :(

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zambaboo:

man this is so awesome, this lil ibm finally has some use!

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cal:

how do i convert this to an xorg.conf line? it doesnt seem to like the format: Timing recommendation #1.... 1920x1080 at 60Hz

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cal:

Modeline................ "1920x1080" 148,500 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync

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niter3:

yay.. almost done resetting up myth again. I'm hoping this fixes the dumb errors I was having..

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kormoc:

cal, change it to a valid mode line

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TSCHAK2:

http://userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070617 <--- BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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cal:

kor: yeah thats what i am asking how to do.

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Esotericisms:

RyeBrye, I decreased the time to 40 miliseconds

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Esotericisms:

still doesn't work right :(

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kormoc:

cal, uhh... that all depends on the tv and all that jazz, x is just saying that the modeline doesn't make any sense

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zambaboo:

TSCHAK2, omg that is hilarious

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niter3:

this is so odd.. My computer seems to be running slow. I figured it wold be the hd so I swapped it out and cleaned out the whole computer via dust heat sync.. Yet when in X and switching between windows it acts as if the entire processor is being used. However, if I do a top it doesn't ever use mor then 60% but it acts as if it's used a whole lot. I mean I haven't even touched my swap file.

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kormoc:

niter3, videocard?

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niter3:

I've changed the HD out, cleaned computer, deleted the mythconverg database, readded stuff. Reinstalled the nvidia drivers etc...

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niter3:

PVR-150

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kormoc:

niter3, pvr 150 is the tv card, video card would have been nvidia

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niter3:

oh sorry

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kormoc:

niter3, read the nvidia readme on X config and make sure that renderaccell is enabled

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niter3:

the video card is an older video card. 5 days ago the system ran fine

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niter3:

I've had this box up for months.

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kormoc:

what does dmesg say?

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niter3:

I did updating to a bunch of myth software and walla.. this crap. So I downgraded back to the original mythtv I had.

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niter3:

no errors in dmesg

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Esotericisms:

well all be ... the driver is sending the code twice

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niter3:

writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected.

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niter3:

I get this sucker in my mythbackend.log

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kormoc:

you said it happeend when switching between windows, that is unrelated to myth

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niter3:

big brain fart. how the hell do you unload a module again

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kormoc:

rmmod

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niter3:

nm

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Zider:

rmmod

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niter3:

:)

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niter3:

like this. My mythfrontend takes FOREVER to come up, b ut my cpu usage is only 20%

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cal:

kormoc: i know its the right numbers for my tv.. i just think the format is a bit different because its a file for another program maybe.

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kormoc:

check on iowait

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niter3:

how do I check that/

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niter3:

?

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kormoc:

cal, Xfree and Xorg both use X11's standard mode format to define modelines

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kormoc:

niter3, run top and look at the WA %

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cal:

kormoc: well, notice what i pasted has periods in it and such... xorg.conf doesnt.

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niter3:

kormoc: ok that's maxed out

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hads:

cal: There's loads of stuff around the net about modelines.

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kormoc:

cal, so remove the periods... I figured that was a bad copy and paste from you

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niter3:

kormoc: What do you think it is then

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kormoc:

niter3, so then your drives are going really slow for some reason. Could be that you updated to a newer kernel and it doesn't support your io system correctly or dma was disabled or the like

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niter3:

Is there a way I can check?

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cal:

kormoc: tried that didnt work... i got it from here: http://forum.ixbt.com/topic.cgi?id=62:10800-20#563

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niter3:

kormoc: Never changed my kernel

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niter3:

or made updates to it

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kormoc:

niter3, you didn't replace the harddrive did you?

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niter3:

kormoc: I thought it was related to HD too I swapped out the one tht I figure is bad for a new one

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cal:

kormoc: can you take a look at that url, maybe you know what generated the file the guy posted

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niter3:

I used Ghost 4 Linux to this new one

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kormoc:

cal, that's just the EDID dump I believe, using nvidia driver's you should be able to just say UseEdid and have it autouse those modes lines without defining them yourself

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cal:

yeah i read its EDID..

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cal:

kormoc: so just set the EDIT to TRUE in xorg.conf?

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cal:

err EDIT

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cal:

EDID ... grr

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kormoc:

in theory, should work fine, aye

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niter3:

kormoc: man.. I have 1% cpu and 24% wa, and mythtv craps out when changing channels

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zambayoo:

there are several conf files here: http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/hauppauge/ which one do i use for the remote supplied w/pvr150?

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kormoc:

niter3, honestly, it's likely hardware related of some sort, and given you swapped drives and it did it before and after, that points at mobo or ide controler

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niter3:

kormoc: hrm... I swapped out the root harddrive...

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niter3:

I have another harddrive which stores the recordings on

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kormoc:

zambayoo, what is the remote you have?

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kormoc:

niter3, might want to look into smartd

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niter3:

kormoc: what's that?

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zambayoo:

kormoc, it looks exactly like this: http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/hauppauge/PVR-350.jpg

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kormoc:

niter3, smart is the tech that harddrives have to report problems they are having, smartd allows you to read that info, it's part of smart-mon-tools I believe

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cal:

kormoc: set it to true, but it still merely uses the same modes as before

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cal:

can only get it up to 1280x1024

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hads:

Interesting. I was just trying to watch something from my desktop (which normally works fine). A recording from my PVR150 is unwatchable with prebuffering pauses but recordings from the DVB cards are fine.

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Esotericisms:

GreyFoxx, you around?

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kormoc:

Esotericisms, how many times are you going to ask him that?

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kormoc:

cal, hrm... well, you can try using a x modeline generator and plug in some settings and the like

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Esotericisms:

till he comes back :)

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Esotericisms:

its his driver that he modified ... I am going through it adding in more debug code to try and figure it out ...

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niter3:

kormoc: Is it normal if I'm switching between a ton of channels as fast as I can go for mythfrontend to error out and have to restart watch tv?

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niter3:

my wa % doesn't get any higher then 80%

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kormoc:

I've never had a problem

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niter3:

I keep getting this error in my mythbackend.log "MythSocket(af216d18:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected."

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kormoc:

Esotericisms, a private message saying, hey, I'd like to talk to you when you get back would serve better, as he would see it when he got back and you wouldn't be repeating that into the channel over and over and over and over....

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niter3:

I'm clueless on what this is.. I've drop the mythconverg database and started from scratch.

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niter3:

I'm not sure what else to do

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niter3:

I don't find enough info when googling to fix this problem

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Esotericisms:

kormoc, true :)

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niter3:

how can I fix the "adding channel" problem.. So I can populate the right information through out the mythconverg database

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niter3:

So I can get the channel id

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hads:

Hm that's odd. It appears to have happened after I upgraded the backend over the ffmpeg resync changeset.

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hads:

Why it's odd is that the other remote frontend doesn't have issues.

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hads:

Maybe it's an audio issue. There's loads of audio messages in -v all output.

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niter3:

This is my error. Just like this guy but there is never any reslution to this problem

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niter3:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/274803

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niter3:

http://readlist.com/lists/mythtv.org/mythtv-users/10/52498.html

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niter3:

yet a better one

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niter3:

this is exactly my problem.

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niter3:

yay.. fun, fun, and fun... :s

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kormoc:

the "adding channel" problem?

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niter3:

I fixed that

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niter3:

still stuck with this write error

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niter3:

I'm reinstalling and upgrading to the newest mythtv yet again.....

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kormoc:

niter3, should see if there's a ticket bout it already and if not, open one

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hads:

How odd. It appears to have fixed itself. Maybe there was some network weirdness.

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niter3:

hrm..

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niter3:

a ticket eh..

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kormoc:

yeah, the offical way to report a bug

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