Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, June 15th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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juski:

janneg: d'oh

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a5benwillis:

anyone else experience video jumpiness when changing to a new channel? Its like its slightly jumpy when first writing to the file.

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janneg:

juski: and you forgot adding the other themes to themes.pro. good night

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juski:

janneg: sorry!

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juski:

janneg: goodnight. I'll get the hang of all this one day

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janneg:

juski: nothing to be sorry about. I already fixed it

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juski:

janneg: fixed the preview image :)

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|Torg|:

is there any reason to install mythplugins on a master BE or slave BE?

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juski:

|Torg|: plugins are for the frontend

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juski:

if you run mythfrontend on a backend, install plugins if you want

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|Torg|:

thats what I thought but I wanted to be sure

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qfour21:

|Torg|: I find mytharchive to be useful on the backend

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|Torg|:

thanks qfour21, I dont use mytharchive but I may sometime in the future. For now ill just skip putting on the plugins, esp beacse they are a pain to compile without the X dev libs

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juski:

what's this morbid fascination folks have with backends that have no X ?

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|Torg|:

it has X on it, just not the developemtn libs for X

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ServerSage:

juski: What use does my server in the garage have with X? :)

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juski:

like X takes up a lot of disk spce

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|Torg|:

no it just easts CPU, I dont run it

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juski:

you don't have to run it, but it's handy to have

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|Torg|:

ok so why would you have X on a system that has no monitor?

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juski:

it might occasionally have a monitor ;)

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ServerSage:

|Torg|: To export display to another system I suppose.

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|Torg|:

ServerSage you dont need to have X to export the display

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|Torg|:

export is a builtin and does not rely on any part of X

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|Torg|:

its how I run mythtv-setup for example

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ServerSage:

|Torg|: True, same here. But some apps require the x headers to compile.

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|Torg|:

and the closest thing my BEs have to a monitor is a serial cable conncted to a terminal server

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ServerSage:

|Torg|: Wow, you are hard core. My rack in the garage at least has a KVM switch with a keyboard and a monitor. :)

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|Torg|:

no im cheap, I got it for free :)

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ServerSage:

Cheap, hardcore, whatever.

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|Torg|:

I am looking for a deceint KVM over IP solution tho

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juski:

is it even ok to keep computers in a garage? no heat, no humidity controls... doesn't seem like a great idea to me

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|Torg|:

I cant see what the servers are doing at boot time untill init runs and spawns a tty for it

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ServerSage:

juski: Maybe not in your garage. :)

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juski:

I don't have a garage

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ServerSage:

Then certainly not in your garge. Hehe.

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juski:

maybe in my temple.. hmmm

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** ServerSage neals before juski **

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ServerSage:

I have a portable AC unit and a small humidifier in my garage to keeps things reasonable.

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juski:

ouchy.

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ServerSage:

I'm a wasteful american. :)

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|Torg|:

hey at least you can USE your garage, I have a two car, well no car really, garage

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juski:

|Torg|: yeah if I had a garage it's just be full to the brim with junk

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Zider:

I have no car nor garage ;)

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juski:

s/it's/it'd

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|Torg|:

its not junk, thats all usefull stuff :P

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ServerSage:

I have a 2 car garage....well....1 car 1 server rack.

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Zider:

hm, maybe I should clean out those 4 boxes of old computer stuff I have in the basement.. :P

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juski:

I've got 3 machines in here, one in the livingroom, and my wife has a laptop

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juski:

that's enough. oh and an xbox

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juski:

oh wait. and 2 s100 boxes

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juski:

that's it though

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Zider:

2 machines in total here.. of which one is getting sold tomorrow :P

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|Torg|:

my closet has a cutout for the AC becase of the rack in there

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|Torg|:

my 3 mythboxes, ones in the living room connected to the TV, are 3 of the 15 systems I run

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juski:

what do your livingroom setups all look like?

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ServerSage:

I have a server and pfsense router in my garage, and then in the house we have 6 laptops, 2 workstations, and a myth frontend.

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Zider:

soon I'll be mythless

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ServerSage:

juski: Mine looks ok. I have a large'ish media case sitting in my entertainment center.

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juski:

are they like the photos of 'htpc' you can find on flickr where there's a beige box wrapped in cables stretched out somewhere near the TV which is also wrapped in cables...

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|Torg|:

juski you want a picture? its just a DLP TV, DVD player and AV system with xbox and xbox360 all connectd, and one my tower sitting next to it

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juski:

no a mental pic is enough :)

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|Torg|:

I have a full hight nothing specail case, cost about $40 I think

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juski:

just wondering – cos I've seen setups people are obviously proud of but they look shite.. I mean if they weren't proud they'd not publish em

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|Torg|:

next to the DLP fan and then on top of that the AV reciver the thing could be the noisest case made it wouldnt make a differnce

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ServerSage:

|Torg|: Hehe. Not to mention the 360. If you xbox 360 is like mine, it sounds like a jet engine spinning up.

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|Torg|:

yea that too

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Zider:

juski: my mythbox officially looks like shite.. midi tower dremel-modded to a desktop, with no front.. :D

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|Torg|:

mine is plain black

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|Torg|:

its as plain back because of the "not another computer in this house" clause :)

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Zider:

my computers has all been black.. except the mediacenter..

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juski:

mine's silver because of the "NO you can't put a computer in the livingroom" clause

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|Torg|:

oh and I have a DVD player and VCR I dont use too in there along with 2 old reaplytv boxes that record std tv

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Zider:

I'm free of clauses :D

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ServerSage:

juski: Yeah, mine is black & silver for the same reason. Wives..

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juski:

ServerSage: and my own pride

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Zider:

crappy wives ;)

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juski:

even if I lived on my own I don't think I could stand to have a beige tower in there

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juski:

hmm a quick surf around seems to have revealed the stakes are higher & more people take pride in their livingrooms these days than those who don't :)

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juski:

I saw a vcr case mod somebody did & it was an old vhs machine & black duct tape

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|Torg|:

well technically when I say living room I mean den, the living room proper is a place we dont go into

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|Torg|:

if your in my den your familly or a close friend neither of which I need to impress much

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|Torg|:

just push the junk off the couch and sit down :P

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sphery:

juski: I just checked my logs (and went through areas of mythfrontend I seldom go through for good measure), and every occurence of the missing "trans-" image is, "UIImageType::LoadImage() – Cannot find image: trans-"

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sphery:

So it looks like there's an image somewhere without a filename or something...

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juski:

sphery: this is minimalist-wide yeah?

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sphery:

I'll let you know if I figure out what.

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sphery:

Yeah.

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brian2:

Hello. It -looks- like MythTV is installed correctly, but for some reason the program will not actually record the shows I schedule it to watch. It does, however, move them to the "previously recorded" list.

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sphery:

I haven't looked into it, but will.

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juski:

brian2: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . ecordings.3F

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juski:

oh yeah this is mine: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=22

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sphery:

juski: However, if you're interested in doing something for which I'm lacking skills, have you ever thought about going through the themes and updating them to ensure all the fonts specify <size> as well as <size:big> and <size:small>. I can probably track down the trans- thing.

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juski:

sphery: I was thinking that earlier today actually

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sphery:

At least in, i.e. default-wide/status-ui.xml, there's only a default size. No small or big.

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sphery:

THat would be cool.

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juski:

I've thought about trying to figure out font inheritance properly

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sphery:

A /lot/ of people complain that changing the font size in the menu (i.e. default/small/big) does nothing.

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juski:

like define fonts once in one file, then just call em up from everywhere – less to edit

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juski:

sphery: let em whine

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|Torg|:

anyone here use checkinstall to make makages?

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|Torg|:

err packages

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juski:

themes are designed with a very small variation in font size in mind. vary too much & stuff doesn't fit anymore

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juski:

sphery: raises a good issue though- maybe we should have a 'visually impaired' theme

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sphery:

right. That's why I haven't just gone through with a script that makes small = default -2 and big = default + 2. :)

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sphery:

What about the aural theme?

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juski:

sphery: I think 2pts is enough to handle

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juski:

sphery: ploop. plop. splash

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sphery:

Do it up like CSS media types. :)

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|Torg|:

umm if your visually imparted why are you watching tv and not just listning to it?

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juski:

|Torg|: visually impaired doesn't have to mean blind

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juski:

it might mean you need +20 specs & can't find them

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sphery:

Why do some people watch Goom while playing music? Isn't that the same thing?

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juski:

does _anybody_ even like goom?

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|Torg|:

whats goom?

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juski:

|Torg|: goom is a naff visualisation

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sphery:

Visualizer that's often used when playing music.

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juski:

very 1980s

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sphery:

very

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juski:

not very colourful, not very exciting

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|Torg|:

ahh I use the turn off the TV visualization

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juski:

waste of CPU cycles :)

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sphery:

and bulb life for some of us

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juski:

we should have at least one kids theme too I think

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|Torg|:

yes sphery hence the reason I turn the tv off

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juski:

talk about a challenge!

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juski:

barney-wide

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sphery:

The kids theme would be perfect for when we have multi-user support

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juski:

oops. Egotsued!

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sphery:

Hey, I heard Barney went on a diet. Give him a break.

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juski:

I heard he was a paedophile. scary looking fecker

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sphery:

wow.

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juski:

anyway yeah – hard of seeing, kids themes.. maybe even (shock!) WAF themes

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sphery:

Now you're talking crazy.

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juski:

I'll have to get in touch with my feminine side to design WAF themes tho

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juski:

messy

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sphery:

I just want my default-wide/status-ui.xml to have <font:small> because the status page has headline fonts for the details. (Actually, I have it in mine, but just enough to work for me...)

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juski:

sphery: I'll look into it but FWIW I think I'll be having a crack at UI animation first

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juski:

it'd be cool to have some of that in the code by the time LRL comes around

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sphery:

cool.

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juski:

I'm not saying I'll succeed by any stretch of the imagination, but I'll have a go

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sphery:

Would a patch for status-ui.xml to add <font:small> be worthwhile or should I just wait for the whole set of themes to get scrubbed for missing sizes. I didn't do <font:big> as everything is 18 point (huge).

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sphery:

I'm content to patch my own working copy in the interim.

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juski:

sphery: I'll be looking at each theme on a case by case basis

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juski:

there's too much for one guy to do in one go

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sphery:

(actually, I should say <size:small>, but you know what I mean)

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juski:

looking at ui.xml can make you go blind

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sphery:

My vote is to start with default and default-wide...

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sphery:

(although that may require "write once, test everywhere" approach that takes forever)

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juski:

sphery: oh it will, it surely will!

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sphery:

I'll also offer the add <size:small> = <size> – 2 (and + 2 for big) where not yet specified patch to the *ui.xml files. Let me know if you're interested (as I'm unlikely to test any of it ;).

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juski:

I've never quite managed to work out how the <big> etc stuff works – you can specify those sizes in the appearance menu but I've never seen em do anything

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juski:

I played with it a few times & got bored

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brian2:

Awesome – thank you that helped.

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brian2:

:)

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juski:

brian2: bookmark the wiki – it's a fantastic resource

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juski:

and when you feel you've become knowledgable, contribute what you know too :)

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brian2:

But now I can't get any sound (unless I plug in from the TV tuner line-out to the Soundcard Mic-in (my soundcard has no line-in)

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juski:

brian2: not all tuners capture audio on board

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brian2:

It's probably just that I need to splurge on a Hauppage PVR-150, this is an older video card. :(

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juski:

mic inputs aren't ideal for line level signals, to put it mildly

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brian2:

Any way I can capture audio so that it will record audio in sync with the video card or am I SOL?

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juski:

anyway see the mythtv.org docs section on setting up audio (and troubleshooting audio)

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juski:

the key here is to plug the tuner audio out into a soundcard audio input, set the playback channel in the linux mixer for that input to MUTE, and set the capture section of the linux mixer to record the same input

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juski:

or just save yourself hassle & cpu cycles & go buy a pvr150 card!

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wastrel:

hi

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wastrel:

i bought a pvr150 i think

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mike3_:

I just wish I could do more with my myth box..

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mike3_:

I watch videos, tv, recordings and all. But more would be nice

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mike3_:

=)

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juski:

like what?

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juski:

forsee the racing results? :-P

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|Torg|:

make coffee

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NightMonkey:

mike3_: Asterisk? Web Server? mpd?

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|Torg|:

fortell the lotto results

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juski:

pleasure your wife?

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brian2:

Juski: Run that by me again?

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juski:

I can do that for you if you wnt

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brian2:

Plug the tuner audio out into a soundcard audio input (Okay, I can do that – mic port.)

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|Torg|:

which juski the coffe or lotto reults?

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juski:

brian2: yes

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mike3_:

what's mpd?

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juski:

|Torg|: the wife bit

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brian2:

Set the playback chennel in the linux mixer for that input to mute. and set the capture section of the linux mixer to record the same input.

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juski:

brian2: yeah

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NightMonkey:

mike3_: Music Playing Daemon. http://www.musicpd.org/

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brian2:

I'm going to try that.

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|Torg|:

oh and juski you can take my ex wife :P

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juski:

open the linux volume control.. mute the mic input, then select the recording tab & set the mic input to be recorded

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juski:

hey ordinarily these audio questions would make me explode. wonder what's been making me so happy lately

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NightMonkey:

mike3_: Got my box hooked up to my stereo, now I can play my ripped CDs and Internet streams, like http://somafm.com/.

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mike3_:

Good idea, but how does it hook to your stereo?

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NightMonkey:

mike3_: Works with icecast, too, but I don't have that set up myself.

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juski:

mike3_: with a cable

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NightMonkey:

mike3_: Line out.

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|Torg|:

ok juski tell me why alsa wont save my settings and I need to unmute my spdif every time I boot

[01:13:34]

brian2:

Okay... there's no mic input on the recording tab. There's just one thing that says "capture" on it. I could quickly upload a screenshot?

[01:13:37]

mike3_:

are you plugging it into a receiver?

[01:13:43]

juski:

|Torg|: alsa is shite? ;)

[01:13:45]

mike3_:

Problem is, I have no stereo. :)

[01:13:45]

NightMonkey:

mike3_: Yes.

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NightMonkey:

mike3_: Ah.

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juski:

brian2: capture == record

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|Torg|:

juski what works, works :P

[01:14:09]

brian2:

Okay. Let me see if this works.

[01:14:10]

mike3_:

Besides I listen to my music on my computer or the plugin for mythtv which I have setup via samba.

[01:14:11]

mike3_:

so....

[01:14:25]

mike3_:

I figure I can just hook up sorround sound to the tv and there yah go.

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sphery:

juski: There are "two" places to set the font size in frontend settings. The settings '"Small" Font' (and its cousings "Medium" and "Big"--yes the quotes are included) specify QT font sizes for those parts of Myth that show unthemed dialogs (most visible in mythtv-setup). These are QtFont(Big|Medium|Small).

[01:14:28]

brian2:

No, I'm doing it wrong.

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juski:

sphery: blimey. somebody could say that in the mythtv help text then

[01:15:00]

brian2:

wait, I think I know what it is.

[01:15:28]

brian2:

Since I'm capturing audio from the alsa mixer and not from the TV tuner, I need to go back into mythtv setup and change the audio back to /dev/dsp0 or /dev/dsp1

[01:15:59]

juski:

brian2: if your tv tuner has audio capture onboard you'd naturally want to use that instead of the soundcard

[01:16:22]

sphery:

juski: There are also settings 'Font Size' (OSDThemeFontSizeType and ThemeFontSizeType, depending on setup page) that specify whether to use default theme font size (i.e. "<size>"), or small ("<size:small>"), or big ("<size:big>"). These are the ones users (and theme designers ;) should change to affect theme font size.

[01:17:01]

juski:

sphery: tell me again when I'm sober :)

[01:17:01]

sphery:

One problem with Font Size is that the help text says, "default: TV, small: monitor, big:"

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sphery:

which is a lie because default is really just <size>...

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sphery:

I may make a patch for the help text.

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sphery:

juski: that's what logs are for ;)

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juski:

oh yeah I knew that I just thought the <big> and <small> text bits of the setup menus overrode the theme settings. i stand corrected :)

[01:18:19]

brian2:

No, it doesn't...

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sphery:

Just joking. I'd be happy to mention it again later. Although I can also say, I'd be happier to not be sober right now. :)

[01:19:14]

juski:

I opened a bottle of wine to celebrate finishing the bulk of blootube-wide

[01:19:40]

juski:

that wasn't a revamp – it was like doing it again from scratch

[01:19:58]

juski:

thank F. it's Friday, and that F. it was worth it for the end result though

[01:19:59]

sphery:

Yeah. And after just redoing PG, basically from scratch.

[01:20:17]

sphery:

I know many will appreciate it.

[01:20:22]

juski:

sphery: BOTH Pg themes, remember ;)

[01:20:40]

juski:

oh and patching the UI code

[01:20:42]

juski:

twice

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sphery:

It will probably be the most visible change in 0.21--having all these new (and good) themes.

[01:20:55]

juski:

hey not bad for a week off work :)

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juski:

sphery: if I don't succeed in pulling off any new animations you mean :)

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sphery:

You should take more time off work. It's easier to get stuff done on Myth...

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sphery:

(I just finished a contract and have a bit of time that I plan to split between Myth, home maintenance, and building some real UPS's).

[01:21:46]

juski:

0.21 is further away than you think, thanks to ffmpeg

[01:22:00]

sphery:

Right. And I'm counting on it being far away.

[01:22:19]

sphery:

I want to get the automatic DB analyze, optimize, repair, and backup patches into Myth before 0.21

[01:22:24]

juski:

I'd guess that 3 months would be a very optimistic estimate

[01:22:36]

sphery:

and they'll need a good bit of testing

[01:22:52]

juski:

and some

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** sphery should be working on those patches instead of chasing a transparent ghost (image "trans-"). **

[01:23:12]

juski:

sphery: I'll look into it. I can work out where to look ;)

[01:23:28]

juski:

sphery: I figured out the cause of the ui code to look for trans-

[01:23:34]

sphery:

Yeah. But I've been suggesting far too much work for you.

[01:23:44]

sphery:

I saw you mention in in the other channel.

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juski:

it'll be a lovely rest from everything believe me

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sphery:

I still didn't get it (don't know what fleximage is), but I'm glad you do. :)

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juski:

sphery: line 941, ui.xml

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juski:

sorted

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juski:

the image filename is commented out

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sphery:

I was working on a patch, but got sidetracked because I can't find a caption entry point I missed... I'm trying to defer caption container creation (so rather than init'ing 120 fonts on playback startup we init 3).

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brian2:

Great, now I'm not getting -any- audio at all..

[01:26:09]

sphery:

Since I thought it would be a quick patch, I bumped it up above the DB maintenance patch... It's not turning out so quick. The OSD code is messy.

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juski:

woo.. so rather than take 5sec to start recording playback, it should take less :)

[01:26:22]

sphery:

That's amazing that you found it already...

[01:26:32]

juski:

brian2: I told you already – see the docs

[01:26:38]

sphery:

I spent about an hour looking for it about a year ago.

[01:26:46]

juski:

sphery: I know where to look ;)

[01:27:09]

sphery:

That's always a benefit.

[01:27:18]

sphery:

grep is useful, but only if you know what to grep.

[01:27:22]

sphery:

(and for what to grep)

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brian2:

No, I mean, I'm not getting any audio in Linux.

[01:27:39]

brian2:

I mean, somehow, I screwed up my linux.

[01:28:00]

brian2:

Just general audio, like MP3s won't play now.

[01:28:03]

sphery:

brian2: probably just mixer settings or ALSA configuration

[01:28:10]

sphery:

Do they not play or just not make any noise.

[01:28:20]

brian2:

Dead silence.

[01:28:30]

brian2:

the video plays (in youtube) but I hear nothing.

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sphery:

Silence is good--it's usually an easy fix.

[01:29:17]

brian2:

I'm getting some play from the orange line-out, I think I may have this on 5 channel when I need it on 2 channel

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wastrel:

linux eh

[01:29:51]

sphery:

That means it's playing, but it's a) muted, b) playing through the wrong card (have 2 soundcards--i.e. integrated and "real" card?), or c) playing through the wrong device (i.e. through digital output when you have the speakers plugged in to analog)

[01:30:21]

brian2:

I think it's the last one.

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sphery:

sounds like it.

[01:30:50]

sphery:

did you change around your ALSA config (/etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc)?

[01:31:02]

sphery:

BTW, what sound card?

[01:31:05]

brian2:

no, just messing about in gnome volume control.

[01:31:20]

brian2:

Audigy 2 zs

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sphery:

Hmmm... I don't gnow anything about GNOME.

[01:31:41]

brian2:

There's also an entry for Intel ICH 5

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pike_:

only bad thing about hdtv ota is that i just realized i dont really watch the major networks anymore..

[01:32:22]

brian2:

That's it.

[01:32:36]

brian2:

Long story short, I've got two sound cards. I only thought I had one.

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sphery:

pike_: That's all I watch. Of course, I only have OTA. :)

[01:33:06]

sphery:

So it was the middle one. I've been there before.

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sphery:

(Middle of a, b, and c above, not the middle sound card)

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sphery:

brian2: you'll probably want to either blacklist the module for the soundcard you're not using or verify that you specify options to ensure the cards get the same device numbers or use udev to configure them to be named consistently

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sphery:

Otherwise, each bootup will be a roll of the dice for whether audio works.

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juski:

sphery: fix committed for that

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juski:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/13691

[01:39:50]

sphery:

wow

[01:39:53]

sphery:

you're too fast

[01:40:04]

juski:

was in playback recordings screen

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sphery:

The fact that it's in the playbackbox makes sense--I see it a ton in the logs

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brian2:

Sphery, how do I blacklist that module?

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sphery:

probably by putting the line "blacklist <modulename>" into a) /etc/modprobe.conf or b) if no /etc/modprobe.conf, in /etc/modprobe.d/<somefile, like one called blacklist>

[01:42:18]

juski:

in ubuntu it's /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist

[01:42:23]

wastrel:

blacklist

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brian2:

Awesome. Now, how do I find out which module is which?

[01:42:58]

juski:

depends

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juski:

lspci will yield some clues

[01:43:19]

juski:

and educated guesses.. and I spose our help :)

[01:43:41]

sphery:

Wow... No missing trans-. Thanks juski .

[01:43:51]

brian2:

00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)

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juski:

brian2: so that'll be alsa-%someintelnumber or something

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sphery:

brian2: lsmod | grep snd-

[01:44:38]

sphery:

perhaps snd-intel8x0

[01:45:03]

brian2:

That's the one.

[01:45:21]

sphery:

The audigy should be snd-emu10k1

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juski:

I think I'm done now

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sphery:

done with Myth work or done with the bottle of wine?

[01:45:58]

juski:

sphery: done working on myth for today

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brian2:

So all I add is: # This is added to disable the onboard intel soundcard.

[01:45:58]

brian2:

blacklist snd_intel8x0

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juski:

brian2: yesh

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sphery:

In that case, enjoy your wine. You earned it!

[01:46:18]

brian2:

Alright. Let me save that and try rebooting.

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juski:

doh

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juski:

now his intel audio wont work

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** sphery thinks juski found some more work to do **

[01:46:51]

sphery:

He didn't want it to.

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juski:

ah ok then :D

[01:47:00]

juski:

result!

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sphery:

He was trying to disable it so his audigy does (and always gets kernel number 0)

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juski:

it wouldn't take much for ubuntu to detect that somebody has more than one of the same thing & to work it out itself

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juski:

bring it out into a nice UI

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sphery:

Yeah. Especially since on most MB's these days, intel8x0 = integrated, so if > 1 sound card, use the other sound card

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juski:

or hey.. have a drop & drop area to control the device order :)

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sphery:

But, there are a few people who actually use multiple sound cards...

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juski:

I used to. not so much nore

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** juski goes to look at the new themes again **

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sphery:

I've been waiting 'til you finish up the revamps to download the changes.

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sphery:

Perhaps now would be a good time.

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juski:

I'll say

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juski:

Enmorewine!

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sphery:

juski: For your logs/scrollback... Unable to find image file: conflict/tit-cr-selectbar.png (in Minimalist-wide)

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juski:

sphery: another one?

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sphery:

That one isn't a trans- thing, but is in the theme file, but doesn't exist.

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juski:

messy

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sphery:

I don't see the file anywhere in myththemes

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juski:

so the upcoming recordings screen in Minimalist-wide has no select bar

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sphery:

or mythtv

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sphery:

There is one.

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sphery:

It's a blue bar with rounded corners.

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sphery:

Would that only be for when there's a conflict?

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juski:

no

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sphery:

(with 4 capture cards I don't often see conflicts)

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brian2:

Hey, back. I'm not even worried about MythTV right now. I just can't seem to get my goddamn audio to work at all now. Nothing. Zip. Zilch. Nada. I'm going to go back and reinstall Linux from the CD, and start over. Knowing now what I do about MythTV, I should be able to set it up the way I need.

[02:00:43]

juski:

sphery: that blue selectbar isn't from minimalist-wide!

[02:00:51]

juski:

it's from blootube or projectgrayhem ffs

[02:00:54]

sphery:

Perhaps from default-wide?

[02:01:21]

sphery:

I will admit there's no select bar in Watch Recordings

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juski:

ah

[02:01:40]

sphery:

watching logs to see when I see it...

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sphery:

Not in Watch Recordings.

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juski:

recordoptions for one

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juski:

priorities for another

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sphery:

Program recording priorities

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sphery:

Which seems to have never been done up for Minimalist-wide

[02:03:34]

sphery:

Nothing is properly aligned

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juski:

nobody loves it! muhahahaha

[02:04:15]

juski:

see there's a reason I made all my own images from scratch

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juski:

the defaults really suck

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juski:

who made minimalist-wide ?

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sphery:

And in schedule recordings (i.e. recording options)

[02:05:15]

juski:

03:02 < juski> recordoptions for one

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juski:

03:02 < juski> priorities for another

[02:05:23]

sphery:

I think it was J. Donovan Stanley

[02:05:30]

sphery:

Just confirming...

[02:05:52]

sphery:

I think he took another (Titivillus--which I think he also made) and hacked it rather than starting fresh.

[02:06:06]

sphery:

JDS used to be GoToDev for themes...

[02:06:15]

juski:

?

[02:06:27]

sphery:

committer for them.

[02:06:38]

juski:

ah right

[02:06:41]

sphery:

He seems to have gone on to other things. He's been gone for about 2 years.

[02:07:02]

juski:

well it's all under my remit now

[02:07:53]

sphery:

Yeah. JDS did it because no one else did. I don't think he wanted to spend time on them because there were other things he was doing for Myth and he wanted to spend time coding, instead.

[02:08:15]

juski:

I'm not even gonna look at any code til tomorrow

[02:08:15]

sphery:

So, I firmly believe that themes will improve significantly, now.

[02:08:27]

juski:

sphery: whatever makes you think that? :-P

[02:08:49]

juski:

it's the age old adage _somebody_ has to do it

[02:09:05]

sphery:

The fact that the guy who now "owns" them has spent a crazy amount of time (almost DTK-crazy) on them lately.

[02:09:31]

juski:

there's nothing much going on with the UI code – so little that even I'm considering having a dabble

[02:09:53]

sphery:

DTK = Daniel Thor Kristjansson

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juski:

yeah I figured

[02:10:01]

sphery:

(had to look up the spelling)

[02:10:08]

juski:

he doesn't have enough time to IRC though

[02:10:13]

sphery:

True.

[02:10:49]

sphery:

But that leaves him more time to code. :)

[02:11:06]

juski:

I'll need to do a few sweeps through my themes to sort out the colours I've used.. rationalise them some more

[02:11:31]

juski:

font colours.. might aswell tackle the sizes while I'm in there

[02:11:31]

sphery:

Just switched over to neon-wide...

[02:11:42]

sphery:

It's been a /long/ time since I've been in setup...

[02:12:02]

sphery:

Here's one for you--I spent about 2 hours trying to figure it out...

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juski:

oh and I also mean to look at making the setup menus action area safe

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jams:

sphery /juski he worked on them when he got bored with coding

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jams:

it was purely downtime for him

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juski:

also wouldn't mind looking into the gui resize code :)

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sphery:

In Minimalist-wide (don't know about others), in the recording options screen, the selection is the same color as the special words...

[02:13:04]

juski:

jams: for me it's the other way around :)

[02:13:34]

jams:

yep

[02:13:35]

sphery:

So, you can't tell whether you have Save these settings or cancel or preview schedule changes highlighted...

[02:13:52]

sphery:

Will that be fixed with the selectbar thing?

[02:13:59]

jams:

i actually have plans to turn iullius into a wide theme

[02:14:04]

juski:

sphery: yes

[02:14:05]

sphery:

looking in neon-wide, it seems that will fix it...

[02:14:30]

sphery:

I can't believe I wasted 2 hours trying to figure out how to make the selected item a different color when it was just that missing image.

[02:14:36]

juski:

jams: my plan is to turn retro into a wide theme too

[02:14:38]

sphery:

There's a reason I don't to themes...

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knowledgejunkie:

evening guys/morning juski :)

[02:14:49]

juski:

hey knowledgejunkie – up late eh

[02:14:58]

juski:

late/early

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jams:

sphery- some parts of themes can drive you nuts

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knowledgejunkie:

err late

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juski:

at least I figured out fleximage today (yesterday) though jams :)

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juski:

the foo.png & trans-foo.png stuff

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knowledgejunkie:

wanted to consult with Sir sphery

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juski:

if fleximage=yes, it looks for trans-$whatever.png

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sphery:

knowledgejunkie: Just got the note from Anduin

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jams:

fleximage adds trans ?

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sphery:

Sounds like you guys have it all fixed, now.

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juski:

jams: yeah

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jams:

i thought that was set by the quality level

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sphery:

knowledgejunkie: Funny that you both appeared back on IRC at the same time. :)

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jams:

interesting

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knowledgejunkie:

i was just looking at the runuser manpage, and it seems daemon() is calling runuser with login shell opt

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juski:

jams: really fleximage="yes" just makes the UI code look for the same filename as the base image but with "trans-" prepended

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sphery:

knowledgejunkie: Yeah. Anduin confirmed that.

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jams:

hmm ok

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sphery:

knowledgejunkie: I don't know runuser, so I wanted to confirm.

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sphery:

I'm satisfied that you guys have it fixed, though.

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knowledgejunkie:

I just checked the other window – call that good timing :)

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knowledgejunkie:

great

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sphery:

And, BTW, thanks for getting it fixed... It's nice that I won't have to explain what's happening, again.

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Anduin:

Yeah, sorry I was away doing yard stuff, just got back.

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sphery:

You two are on the same clock (but weren't necessarily on the same channel ;).

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sphery:

Anyway, it wasn't high priority. I just lef the note in there so it's ready for you whenever.

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Anduin:

It was enough to make me double check, I probably won't get to reviewing any patches to it until the weekend anyway.

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NightMonkey:

Hey all, where do I get a list of applicable xorg.conf options available to the Xorg ivtv FB driver?

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sphery:

So, Anduin, if you remove MYTHTV_HOME, will it always run as user = mythtv?

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Anduin:

sphery: root

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sphery:

Cool. I know Axel had concerns over permissions when running as non-root.

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knowledgejunkie:

unless you edit /etc/sysconfig/mythbackend user to mythtv

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Anduin:

sphery: Yeah, it is the permissions issue that keeps us from a better default. At least now if you fix the permissions it can work as non-root.

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knowledgejunkie:

i think the text I added about running as non-root should be updated to include warnings about console.perms and real-time scheduling, and advising to run as root if safe to do so

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Anduin:

We don't do anything real-time in the backend right?

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sphery:

I don't think so.

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sphery:

But, don't we have some nice'ing in there (and don't some want ionice'ing) which may require additional permissions.

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Anduin:

That is probably true

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knowledgejunkie:

that's what Axel alluded to I think in the posted thread – possible higher laterncy for non-root users

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sphery:

NightMonkey: I don't know (short of looking at the source), but perhaps this may help: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:XDriver

[02:31:23]

NightMonkey:

sphery: Yeah, I was looking there. But, I just started to look at the source. Thanks. ;)

[02:31:35]

sphery:

Time to use MythTV for a change... Finally clearing out some of my old recordings now that the season has ended.

[02:33:00]

pike_:

http://pastebin.ca/567651 <-- trying to launch the frontend. sorry i dont have alot of db exp. by alot i mean any :)

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pike_:

everything was working but i had to hardboot

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pike_:

im assuming i need to delete a schema or remake? or just change some tables?

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mokkan:

hey, my VFD works, but i cant get mythtv to do anything with it

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mokkan:

any ideas?

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knowledgejunkie:

mokkan: have you enabled it in mythfrontend setup?

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mokkan:

knowledgejunkie, i went through the options and went to "enable LCD" in appearence settings, yeah

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Anduin:

pike_: You have no current DB schema version, check that your settings table hasn't crashed

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knowledgejunkie:

mokkan: do you have mythlcdserver running

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pike_:

Anduin: ive never worked with mysql before. i have extensive linux exp but as a user not admin or anything.. how would i check that?

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mokkan:

knowledgejunkie, ps says so

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Anduin:

pike_: There is an optimize_mythdb.pl in contrib that will probably fix it (or you can use mysqlcheck)

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knowledgejunkie:

mokkan: what's currently on the display?

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mokkan:

knowledgejunkie, a smiley face that i output to it.. i think its a permissions deal

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mokkan:

do i need to make /dev/lcd0 writable for my mythtv user?

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knowledgejunkie:

is the device currently being used by another process

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mokkan:

knowledgejunkie, how do i find out?

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knowledgejunkie:

mokkan: fuser /dev/lcd0 should only show LCDd

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knowledgejunkie:

mokkan: do you have LCDd and LCDproc installed as services? You don't want LCDproc running

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hads:

Rock! New monitors running on DVI look pretty :)

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rustalot:

if I ave a bunch of wovie files from elsewhere, can I get mythtv to recognise them and list them as taped shows?

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hads:

mythvideo?

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Dr_willis:

You mean saved recordings from somewhere else? or .avi type videos?

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rustalot:

.avi type videos

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Dr_willis:

I got a mythtv frontend on one pc. it cant see the Videos i got on the backend. it can only see the recorded shows.

[03:48:32]

Dr_willis:

Not sure if thats a limit to the front/backend stuff.. and if id have to 'stream' the avi's or not.

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Dr_willis:

They do show up on my backend machine and i can watch them there fine.

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GreyFoxx:

Dr_willis: Myth only streams recordings

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GreyFoxx:

If you want your videos to appear in mythvideo on remote frontends

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GreyFoxx:

you need to network mount them, ewither samba or nfs or something similar

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Dr_willis:

GreyFoxx, ahh. Ok. thats basicially what im doing now. but i just browse the mounted share and watch the videos with vlc.

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Dr_willis:

been toying with mythtv front/backends this week..first time ive ever tried the frontend only on a pc.

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pike_:

anyone exp very high cpu usage for mythfrontend? if its doing anything its 75% and up ofen 99% in top. its on a sempron 64 2ghz nvidia 6800gt..

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sinthetek:

is it normal for mythcommflag to eat 65–75% of cpu?

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sinthetek:

(on an amd64 2800+)

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kash:

yes

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klpt:

anybody use an Avermedia A180 with QAM?

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hads:

sinthetek: I'm not sure, it'll likely use loads though, probably procesing reasonably fast though.

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mchou:

klpt: you have one?

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hads:

sinthetek: It uses ~50% on my box (E6300)

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Anduin:

sinthetek: It doesn't need to worry about pesky things like making sure you've had enough time to view a frame/head audio. It should be nicing itself though.

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klpt:

mchou – yes

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klpt:

and i don't get any channels whatsoever

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klpt:

people on my cable system with QAM tuners in their televisions, however, do pick up channels

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mchou:

klpt: hmm, that aint cool

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Brian2:

Okay. It's -finally- starting to work. FINALLY.

[04:58:19]

Brian2:

However.

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mchou:

klpt: a180 is supposed to work with QAM

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Brian2:

There's still one problem.

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klpt:

yes, it is

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mchou:

klpt: what do the kernel logs say?

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Brian2:

Now I'm getting an audio echo for some reason (as if it's recapturing the audio from the mixer a second time.)(

[04:59:02]

klpt:

they show a normally functioning a180. it picks up the drivers and loads the firmware properly

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hads:

Brian2: You likely need to mute something.

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mchou:

klpt: what are you using to tune?

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klpt:

i tried both "scan" and the mythtv-setup program

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mchou:

klpt: and dont tell me myth

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Brian2:

Hads: That I've figured out. Strangely, though I haven't figured out WHAT.

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klpt:

neither reported any signal locks

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mchou:

klpt: sight. there is your mistake right there

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mchou:

sigh*

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klpt:

neither of those is appropriate?

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mchou:

klpt: not really

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klpt:

what's recommended?

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hads:

Brian2: I don't know anything about framegrabbers sorry. It'll be line in or something like that. Just randomly mute stuff 'til it works :)

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mchou:

klpt: teh dvb utils

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mchou:

the*

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klpt:

do you know which particular utility within the tools?

[05:02:25]

mchou:

azap and some other stuff.....

[05:03:01]

mchou:

forget what they are off the top of my head atm

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klpt:

ah, i found it. i installed the version of dvb-apps that my distro provides

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Brian2:

Okay, here's the good news.

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Brian2:

It's PCM capture. Muting that kills the echo.

[05:06:01]

Brian2:

Here's the bad news. Every time I change the channel, PCM capture, for some reason, automatically unmutes. :(

[05:06:55]

mchou:

klpt: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_Q . . . _Tuner_Cards

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mchou:

klpt: read the docs dude

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klpt:

yeah, i try to do the "scan" step

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klpt:

and find nothing

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klpt:

using any of the three qam256 signal tables

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mchou:

klpt: well, then either your HW or drivers/firmware ain't working

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mchou:

or your cable is not attached/too weak a signal

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Brian2:

This is the exact same problem I'm having: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/archive/o_t/t_1284

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mchou:

klpt: the cable should ideally have no splitters

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mchou:

klpt: but if use cable inet chances are it's not a splitter issue :)

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klpt:

yeah, there's definitely a splitter in the path, but I have a very strong signal coming in

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klpt:

Jun 15 01:15:26 mythbe01 nxt200x: NXT2004 Detected

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klpt:

Jun 15 01:15:26 mythbe01 DVB: registering new adapter (saa7133[0]).

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klpt:

Jun 15 01:15:26 mythbe01 DVB: registering frontend 0 (Nextwave NXT200X VSB/QAM frontend)...

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Brian2:

Fixed it!

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Brian2:

"Do not adjust audio" (needed for some BT878 cards) in MythTV setup. Set the checkbox = yes...

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juski:

morning all

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laga:

morning juski

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juski:

that photocase site looks like it has ideal licence conditions – thanks for the linky :)

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** laga treats himself to some booze then **

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** juski beers laga **

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juski:

before 9am here too!

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laga:

:)

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laga:

juski: the epgdata.com folks would appreciate it if i wrote a grabber/converter. now i wonder if i should learn perl or python to do it ;)

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juski:

both are as non-readable as each other when you go back to them

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laga:

i was under the impression that perl was a little bit more write-only then python. i guess i'll start with python and use inline perl/c++/brainfuck if i have to. heh ;)

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knowledgejunkie:

juski: morning

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knowledgejunkie:

juski: is the theme-guru about?

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juski:

I dunno. who is he?

[08:13:40]

knowledgejunkie:

juski: i spose you'll do :)

[08:14:21]

knowledgejunkie:

the mythcenter-wide theme is annoying me with the way the upcoming listings columns are laid out

[08:14:34]

juski:

the mythcenter-wide theme is annoying

[08:15:05]

juski:

I mean if you copy a theme/skin, make it a good one ;)

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knowledgejunkie:

looking at the ui.xml file, it seems it is wanting to draw 5 columns, when the /trunk/mythtv/programs/mythfrontend/viewscheduled.cpp source seems to only have 4

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knowledgejunkie:

i wanted to ask if you have any idea why when I change the col widths, nothing actually changes

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juski:

ah IIRC, the context changes

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samesame:

<knowledgejunkie> juski: is the theme-guru about? I thought juski was the IRC junkie? ;p

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juski:

!trout samesame

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** MythLogBot slaps samesame with a trout on behalf of juski... **

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juski:

shaddapya face :-P

[08:17:26]

knowledgejunkie:

i want to put some space between the channel column, and the title column, but updating the ui.xml width doesn't seem to do anything

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juski:

knowledgejunkie: only got 4 channels in ui.xml here for the 'conflict' area

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juski:

which is the 'upcoming recordings' area, FYI

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juski:

channels/columns

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juski:

knowledgejunkie: columnpadding :)

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knowledgejunkie:

is that how there are 9 items? 5 cols plus 4 lots of padding?

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juski:

you can only specify a column width & padding there

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juski:

5 cols plus four? eh?

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knowledgejunkie:

look at /trunk/myththemes/MythCenter-wide/ui.xml lines 635–39

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juski:

that's not the area you'd be interested in for upcoming recordings list

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juski:

that's why you're not making an apparent difference lol

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knowledgejunkie:

in /trunk/mythtv/programs/mythfrontend/viewscheduled.cpp void ViewScheduled::updateList(QPainter *p) is asking for a container->GetType("conflictlist")

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juski:

line 428–453 are what you want

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knowledgejunkie:

ahh, cock

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knowledgejunkie:

pardon the french

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juski:

where you were referring to is the record options bit I think

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juski:

knowledgejunkie: that's a captain slow-ism :-P

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juski:

top banana

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knowledgejunkie:

sadly I don't drive a Boxster

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juski:

knowledgejunkie: don't worry about it – I'm still making those kind of screwups – thank $deity for svn revert

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juski:

ui.xml is a nightmare. I can't wait to see the end of it

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knowledgejunkie:

i guess the window name=conflict is the correct context?

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juski:

yes

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juski:

I put comments in mine

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knowledgejunkie:

thanks a bunch

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juski:

like

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knowledgejunkie:

what do the comments really say?

[08:25:59]

knowledgejunkie:

that's clearly just too useful

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laga:

that's in the eye of the beholder, isn't it? ;)

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juski:

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juski:

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knowledgejunkie:

nice

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juski:

I have comments for other things explaining what I've done (for myself)

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juski:

[08:27:31]

juski:

all very necessary believe me

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knowledgejunkie:

what's the thinking about the new clock thingy (well overdue IMO) and it's default size? On my MC-Wide frontend the default had part of it missing

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juski:

knowledgejunkie: somebody widened the area I'd checked in, IIRC

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juski:

check out a new checkout of myththemes & you should get it

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juski:

worked fine for me (tm)

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knowledgejunkie:

checked out and built a little while ago

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knowledgejunkie:

although yesterday I right-aligned it and dropped the fontsize a touch

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laga:

juski: why is your stuff in themes/ and not in myththemes/ in svn?

[08:29:19]

juski:

laga: chutt doesn't want them in myththemes, end of story

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knowledgejunkie:

I saw bjm committed to similar change to the Iulius theme and was wondering if it was going to be done for all themes eventually

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juski:

knowledgejunkie: all themes should now have the clock

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laga:

juski: nice, so there are two packages now

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juski:

those were my first commits

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knowledgejunkie:

i really meant the font-size changes for the clock text

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juski:

knowledgejunkie: do you have the fonts the themes require?

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knowledgejunkie:

yup

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knowledgejunkie:

the text just wouldn't fit in the box, so I forced it by dropping the font size. I'll go take a look on the TV to see how the latest rev looks

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juski:

I'll check the text size here myself too

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juski:

knowledgejunkie: running X at 100DPI?

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knowledgejunkie:

think so

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juski:

knowledgejunkie: this is where the clock is on mine.. www.juski.co.uk/lamecenter-wide.jpg

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juski:

just fyi I'll be going around revaming theme graphics to bring them kicking & screaming into some kind of reasonable state, eventually

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juski:

*revamping even

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** slaine_ gets the pompoms and sings "juski, juski, he'sa our man...." **

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Tanthrix:

Lamecenter...ha! Beats..... blahtube?

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** Tanthrix loses -10 for lack of cleverness **

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juski:

Tanthrix: get it right you damn foo. it's bloat-tube

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slaine_:

Ah feck, first comment and a typo already.

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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samesame:

i wonder what the TiVo theme looks like

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** samesame checks **

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juski:

mythcenter 'will do' but it's just not polished enough imho

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samesame:

this is tivo

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samesame:

http://www.sethb.com/TiVo/dvr-tivo-screen.jpg

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juski:

the shading on the menu button is awful – and the watermarks too

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** juski pukes up **

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samesame:

Tivos Suggestions o_0

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samesame:

http://www.iwantptv.com/images/tivo/Tivo_Suggestions.jpg

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juski:

that tivo screen is horrible

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juski:

blech!

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samesame:

doesnt it

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samesame:

the tivo logo is strange..

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samesame:

i like the way Sky TV uses icons at the top

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samesame:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/d/d6/Sky_EPG.jpg

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juski:

I hate the $ly UI

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juski:

square boxes.. yay :-\

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Tanthrix:

Man, if anyone things Photoshop is incomprehensible, they ought to try Illustrator..

[08:44:33]

samesame:

i like the look of windows media centre UI, nice and simple and good on the eye without any cheese

[08:44:33]

samesame:

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/images/windo . . . er-music.jpg

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juski:

hang on – in mythcenter-wide is this pixellation I see before me? on the watermarks?!?!?!?!?! yeesh!

[08:44:48]

juski:

samesame: get the fuck out of here NOW

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samesame:

i only said the theme is good, not the inside workings!

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juski:

look how it puts stuff right at the screen edge where overscan will hide it. that's really clever

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samesame:

i see

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laga:

juski: kinda like the setup screens in mythtv, huh? :)

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juski:

laga: yeah well I plan to try to do something about that soon

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Tanthrix:

juski: I'm inclined to agree that mythcenter needs some polishing. The corners on the screen boxes (ie, the box around the recordings) looks like junk scaled to 1080P. More junky than it should.

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knowledgejunkie:

juski: clock looks good and the ui.xml fix for the upcomings works a treat

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juski:

Tanthrix: I just updated them

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knowledgejunkie:

only prob is that mythmusic now doesn't work, and dvd playback is broke

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knowledgejunkie:

must have been a good week of commits :)

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laga:

juski: yay :)

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juski:

knowledgejunkie: which bits did you edit of the ui.xml ? which columns needed widening? looks as crap as it ever did here

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juski:

that select bar is fugly, man

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knowledgejunkie:

in ui.xml, line 440 width down to 170, line 441 width up to 165, keep overall width of 335 for the two cols

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juski:

my is anybody using that theme? it's not even finished by the looks of it. jees.

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juski:

s/my/why

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juski:

stuff doesn't line up all over the place

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juski:

I'm actually shocked. I'd not looked at it for ages

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juski:

the programme guide screen could do with obeying overscan rules

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juski:

ugh ugh ugh ugh. got my work cut out there

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juski:

if I had to choose one theme to axe so mine could go into myththemes, that would be the one I'd go for

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directhex|work:

we axing illuvius or however it's spelt?

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juski:

no themes are being axed

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juski:

chutt said "no way" for blootube-wide on account of its size. "no way" for any other theme of mine unless other themes were replaced by them. I'm not keen on bumping any theme just for that – I think there's room for them all

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laga:

yup

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juski:

looks like there's gonna be a theme chooser/downloader – so no need to make packages of themes any more when it's done

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samesame:

as gforce drivers are available on linux why cant the themes have animated menus like on Apples Frontrow and Windows Media Centre?

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juski:

oh and mythcenter's menu arrows don't line up properly. ffs did nobody check it?

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juski:

samesame: because nobody has coded it yet

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directhex|work:

samesame, because the code to do them don't exist

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directhex|work:

samesame, patches welcome

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Tanthrix:

juski: Nifty. Where can I grab it?

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samesame:

juski: so its not a 'driver' problem?

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juski:

and not everybody likes menu animation

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juski:

it has to be turn-offable

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samesame:

ok

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juski:

Tanthrix: what's nifty?

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directhex|work:

samesame, considering high-end 3d games run faster on linux than elsewhere, why would it be a driver problem?

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Tanthrix:

juski: That you updated mythcenter. Sorry for the delay.

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samesame:

directhex|work: thats good news

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juski:

Tanthrix: I updated a lot of default theme graphics, which mythcenter uses

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Tanthrix:

Oh, I see.

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juski:

Tanthrix: they were submitted a while ago & backported to -fixes too IIRC

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** samesame digs out C++ and gets coding on a animated 3D myth menu **

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knowledgejunkie:

looks like 13655 broke my internal dvd player :(

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** juski is skeptical **

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Tanthrix:

How far back?

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juski:

samesame: don't let it suck like Elisa does

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juski:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/270488

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Tanthrix:

I'm running SVN from the May 23rd, so I suppose I have it then

[09:04:38]

juski:

those were mostly just the background lines. selectbars & stuff need redrawing too

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juski:

of course you could just use a decent theme :-P

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juski:

I recommend nonsucky-wide

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juski:

my plan for some themes is to take the base resolution up to 1080p. the current themes would all have to be redone & IMHO that's no bad thing

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directhex|work:

svg!

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Tanthrix:

Haven't I been saying forever, and you were like "Nah, I don't wanna' ?

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** Tanthrix cheers juski on for 1080P goodness someday **

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juski:

directhex|work: so *you* put svg reading code in :)

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directhex|work:

juski, whatever next – 3d menus?

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juski:

you don't need svg for 3d menus

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directhex|work:

hey, bin the main menu, turn the whole thing into a first-person experience! you could have, like, a tv on the wall in a virtual room! how incredibly meta!

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juski:

directhex|work: that's kinda like what elisa did. shite innit

[09:09:19]

directhex|work:

juski, eliza's trying to be a million macosx docks one after anothyer

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juski:

I can see the concept of what they've done & why – so you can always see where you've been but it's way too clutterred

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juski:

and the icons suck

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directhex|work:

open source art in "shit" shocker?

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juski:

does anybody know whether or not the icons MCE / frontrow use are vector or bitmaps?

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Dibblah:

Bitmaps.

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siXy:

juski: MCE 2003/vista use bitmap icons

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siXy:

can't speak for anything else

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Dibblah:

pngs, specifically.

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juski:

so – it's possible to get spiffy animations using bitmaps at a reasonable speed on low-ish end hardware then.. (in the case of appletv)

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Dibblah:

It's your evil twin... http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/22644.aspx

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knowledgejunkie:

juski: I put the mythcenter-wide changes in ticket #3617

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siXy:

well MCE doesnt really run on low-end hardware. its DX9 minimum, and is slugglish on slower systems

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samesame:

sluggish as in not enough power from the graphics card?

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juski:

siXy: I saw MCE on a 3GHz CPU box.. it was sluggish on that

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juski:

the menu animations slow down when it's playing music ffs

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Dibblah:

Well, mng might be a better way to go for animations.

[09:15:25]

siXy:

samesame: it needs a decent amount of ram and a modern graphics card to perform well. watching tv while recoding also needs a fast cpu

[09:15:32]

samesame:

ok

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juski:

let's animate themes by moving $stuff around – none of this flipbook crap please

[09:16:24]

** samesame disassembles apples frontrow menu code **

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siXy:

if you want to animate stuf, wouldnt it be better to use flv or similar rather than rotating .gifs or evivalent?

[09:17:01]

juski:

siXy: NO

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Dibblah:

"QMovie doesn't yet support the MNG format, that is the animated "variant" of PNG. However, Troll Tech has implemented a very nice and far superiour add-on to PNG as an replacement, which is unfortunately not yet standardized. However, they're working on adding it to the PNG standard and we all hope that they will succeed."

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Dibblah:

Gee, thanks, trolltech.

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samesame:

the best way to animate is some flash C++ / assembler code what speaks to your GFX card and does wild things with it

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Dibblah:

Ignore the standards and try and fork your own.

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siXy:

buttons that shine a bit are fine in png/gif whatever, but it really seems to struggle when changing a large area, such as background

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juski:

siXy: no animated backgrounds

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juski:

if we have background animation make it mpeg

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juski:

like I said – flipbook style stuff is old hat, messy & bad

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directhex|work:

mpeg? O_o

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directhex|work:

flamewar time! move to opengl only!

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juski:

directhex|work: tivo has animated menu backgroudns. mpeg loops are the way forward

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juski:

samesame: mythtv's opengl handling is fast enough I reckon

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juski:

we're not gonna be blitting thousands of polygons around ffs

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siXy:

maybe we could have a fullscreen quake game going on in the background? :D

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slaine_:

How do Via CLE266 type setups work with the OpenGL stuff ?

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juski:

slaine_: slow as hell last time I looked. nast slow

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slaine_:

lame

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samesame:

..this is interesting, somone has re-created apples frontrow menu in Java

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samesame:

http://www.blogofbug.com/files/Java_FrontRow_Carosel.html

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juski:

not java!

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juski:

ffs

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directhex|work:

.net!

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juski:

just remember if yous want it to make it into mythtv it has to pass by chutt

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directhex|work:

carousels are what one of the commercial windows pvrs use. they're conceptually not great, since it's not clear which way pressing left or right will turn things

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siXy:

samesame: bear in mind that no everyone is running myth on power6, and might not appreciate incredible slowness

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directhex|work:

pfft, POWER.

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juski:

anyway enough pissing in the wind. I've got stuff to do

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directhex|work:

http://www.last.fm/music/Badly+Drawn+Boy/_/Pissing+In+The+Wind ?

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juski:

knowledgejunkie: applied & committed :)

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knowledgejunkie:

juski: cheers

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juski:

those watermarks are deinfitely pixellated tho :(

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knowledgejunkie:

juski: i'll have to have a look at the whole theme when I get a chance

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juski:

who's the theme maintainer round here anyway? :-P

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knowledgejunkie:

it seems mostly fine for TV stuff AFAICT – not so good for videos and music

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juski:

I think it uses Nuvola icons – they can easily be got & scaled down to a good size again

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juski:

and for the shading.. I dunno wtf that is all about

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siXy:

out of interest, is it possible to skin the mythmusic music selection screen?

[09:59:50]

juski:

nope

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juski:

orrible qt

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siXy:

pfft :(

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juski:

might not be hard to change though

[10:01:18]

juski:

I'd sooner rip it out & start again in all honesty

[10:02:41]

juski:

give mythmusic similar kind of operation to mythvideo, with different views

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juski:

albumart browser :)

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siXy:

wel i was thinking if it was skinnable it wouldnt be too hard to instad of the folder icon link to the releveant album art

[10:07:29]

siXy:

i did start trying to re-write it a while back but ran out of time

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juski:

there's no deadline ya know!

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juski:

knowledgejunkie: still not enough width in the clock man

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siXy:

hehe :) having changed jobs since i started however, my spare time to mess with this stuff has rather dramatically declined

[10:14:22]

knowledgejunkie:

seems fine on my TV with default size 18

[10:15:07]

juski:

knowledgejunkie: committed a new change

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knowledgejunkie:

okey dokey

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juski:

there's no harm in it

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knowledgejunkie:

nope

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juski:

starts at 800 & is 400 wide

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juski:

I reckon 400 is the minimum width really – any less & folks with daft date formats will get cut off

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knowledgejunkie:

means you could use even larger text

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juski:

18pt is good

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knowledgejunkie:

that's what I'm using

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juski:

that's what I committed just now

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juski:

minimalist-wide needs attention too. i bet they all do

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Aquahallic:

Mornin' folks

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juski:

mornin Aquahallic

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Aquahallic:

question.... if I'm getting prebuffer pauses.. .but I do a rewind for about 5 sec. and then never get another one... is that indicative of the pvr150 or my sound and video card??

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juski:

Aquahallic: more indicative of the playback performance of your box

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juski:

and a known issue

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siXy:

are you using a remote backend or a combined frontend/backend?

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Aquahallic:

ahh.. k... it's only during livetv

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Aquahallic:

combined

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Aquahallic:

and it's a 2.4 gig P4 with gig of ram

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Aquahallic:

'er... 2.6 gig P4 I mean...:/

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Aquahallic:

now here's something I noticed also

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Aquahallic:

I'm using the onboard ICH5 audio for my output... and I was getting Audio Write Buffer errors.... so I checked off extra audio buffering.. and my error turned into prebuffer pauses

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** Aquahallic ordered a sound blaster audigy should be here today...;) **

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Aquahallic:

I'm "HOPING" that it will build a larger audio buffer then I can take the check out of extra audio buffering and praying my errors go away... I've screwed around with latency and all that

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gpd:

is there a way to compensate for overscan when using nvidia linux drivers and dvi->hdmi?

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gpd:

I tried TVOverscan "1.0" but no change

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juski:

gpd: you can't

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juski:

not without custom modelines, and even then...

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gpd:

this is a Linux driver issue then?

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juski:

no

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juski:

it's a TV issue

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juski:

TVs still overscan, even HDTVs

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gpd:

but can't you compensate for it using the windows driver?

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laga:

yes

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gpd:

laga: this is a Linux driver issue then?

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juski:

better go back to windows then!

[10:43:38]

juski:

it's not a linux driver issue

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juski:

well not a _problem_ anyway

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laga:

the linux driver just doesn't support it

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gpd:

juski: your definition of an 'issue' is quite rigid!

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juski:

laga: that's because there's no unified method of fine-tuning video modes

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juski:

try xvidtune

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laga:

and overscan is not bad. it's rather useful to hide unwanted stuff at the border of the picture

[10:44:53]

juski:

very useful infact

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gpd:

and there is no information that I can gather from powerstrip in windows that will help me in linux?

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laga:

juski: i don't know how the windows driver does it. maybe it's just adding black bars to the desktop.

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laga:

gpd: maybe a modeline?

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juski:

gpd: the very fact you mention it indicates you have an idea you can :)

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juski:

so you get the desktop edges to sit on the bezel of your TV perfectly.. that's going to mean some/all TV you play back will have strange stuff on the borders – gaps, funny colours, boom mikes in view etc

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juski:

broascasters take it for granted that all TVs overscan

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juski:

s/broascasters/broadcasters

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juski:

if you want the desktop to fit your screen perfectly buy a monitor in the 1st place

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laga:

juski: does that still apply to HDTV broadcasts?

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juski:

laga: yeah

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juski:

they still assume safe areas & don't put captions right at the working edges of the picture

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juski:

the footage might fill the screen but they still assume TVs overscan

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laga:

i was totally crazy about overscan a few years ago. i couldn't stand losing a few pixels. then i realized i'd need to zoom in to get rid of the unwanted cruft and felt rather stupid

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nathanj:

does anyone know why a theme wouldnt come accorss into my tv screen secton?

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juski:

I wasted like 2 whole days trying to get the desktop edges to fit my tv

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juski:

nathanj: in english please

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juski:

but i'm thinking of one word.. very topical.. OVERSCAN

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nathanj:

when i go to live tv the title bars aren't themed like the rest of my mythtv they are the original style

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juski:

that's the OSD theme

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juski:

you choose that in tv playback settings

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juski:

not all themes have a corresponding OSD theme, FYI

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nathanj:

juski cool thanks :D

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juski:

reminds me I need to squirt out a ProjectGrayhem-OSD theme soon

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** gpd stops wasting time (thanks guys) **

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Aquahallic:

gpd have you tried nvidia-settings??

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Aquahallic:

there's an overscan option in there

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juski:

Aquahallic: that's not for HDMI outputs

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juski:

roflmao http://homepage.mac.com/beww1/filechute/swear_jar_300k.wmv

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knowledgejunkie:

has anything changed recently in SVN (couple weeks?) that could stop mythmusic from initialising?

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juski:

quite a lot

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knowledgejunkie:

i'm seeing 'MythPlugin::init() dlerror:' errors in the frontend log

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knowledgejunkie:

i better check my build script

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juski:

knowledgejunkie: you could ask gbee.. he might know

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ServerSage:

juski: Do you ever leave this room? Hehe.

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laga:

i don't

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juski:

I tend to stay logged in all the time

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ServerSage:

When do you find time for sleep, sex, and beer?

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laga:

i sometimes detach from my screen session, though :)

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juski:

ServerSage: oh I find time

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ServerSage:

Do you mix the 3 to save time? ;)

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** juski goes back to working on projectgrayhem-osd **

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ServerSage:

Anybody using mythweather-revamp on gentoo successfully?

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siXy:

mixing sleep and beer seems a fast road to a wet bed....

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laga:

siXy: i'm trying to come up with a remark involving "sex" and "a wet bed", but i can't seem to do it

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ServerSage:

laga: Some things are better left unsaid.

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laga:

yes.

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siXy:

hehe :)

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juski:

watersports anybody?

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** juski gets his coat **

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laga:

where's my innocence gone? :(

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ServerSage:

Ack, images of juski in a rain coat with a beer in one hand having sex. Make it stop!

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** ServerSage gives up on mythweather. May it rest in peace. **

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laga:

ServerSage: you might have missed the additional meaning of "water sports"

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ServerSage:

No no, I got it.

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juski:

wow. entering livetv with a recording in progress takes you to the recording. woooo

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TSCHAK:

mine just picks another tuner card :-P

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laga:

juski: huh?

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juski:

if all tuners are being used, looks like trunk just goes right into a recording playback

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laga:

juski: i have four tuners. i doubt that's ever gonna happen :)

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juski:

heh

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juski:

right how does this icon mapper thingummy doodah work?

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TSCHAK:

warning: recording pr0n on all tuners, switching to playback

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siXy:

juski: are you using a beta build? mine just starts whining about all tuners being in use

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juski:

siXy: trunk ftw!

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/pgosd2.png :)

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Esotericisms:

anyone have experience setting up an nvidia graphics card using dvi out with a component converter and how the xorg.conf file will look?

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directhex|work:

which component convertor, exactly?

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directhex|work:

because DVI would be digital, and YPbPr would be analog, so already something's amiss

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Esotericisms:

arg, I had a feeling, I missed something, I thought a certain type of DVI output allows for YPbPr

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Esotericisms:

according to a website I read the GeForce 6 series works with the "ati dvi-component" adapter or another like it

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juski:

directhex|work: more like the GPU can be configured to output component on the DVI pins :)

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Esotericisms:

well it is onboard video

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directhex|work:

technically, DVI has some spare pins, which are used to send analog video using a DVI cable – or more commonly, to stick a VGA adapter on the end of a DVI connector

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directhex|work:

all the component adapters i've seen for graphics cards attach to a mini DIN connector of some kind, that looks much like an svideo plug (but with more pins)

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juski:

they're not spare pins – they're pins for analogue signals

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directhex|work:

yeah, but they're spare in the sense that nobody uses them as dvi. ever seen something with dvi-a input?

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juski:

they're used in dvi-i though

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directhex|work:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/CDE/_VIDPORT.JPG is what i'm used to seeing

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directhex|work:

DVI-I is only ever used for adapting into VGA, IME

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siXy:

sooo juski... when is pgosd2 coming out? :)

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juski:

siXy: prolly today

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Esotericisms:

directhex|work, I got this motherboard (http://www.foxconnchannel.com/EN-US/Product/m . . . n-gb0000195)

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Esotericisms:

and one of the small dvi to component adapters, I was hoping to get it working but it looks like I am going to have to buy either a new video card with svideo out or the $100 vga to component converter :/

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samesame:

what do u guys think of http://joost.com/ ?

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juski:

rubbish!

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juski:

it's gonna be ad-filled junk or ele DRMd to the hilt & unusable on linux

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samesame:

i was waiting for that :) i wont bother reading about it then

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juski:

s/ele/else

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juski:

oh and useless for people with home broadband which is capped

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samesame:

ok

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laga:

"home broadband which is capped" is useless by itself :)

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juski:

i.e. the sort of broadband where if you up/download over a limit, they cut your connection (or just speed)

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samesame:

im searching google for mythtv users what use xen

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siXy:

samesame: ive tried that :)

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siXy:

and i *really*really*really* dont reccomend it

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samesame:

my dream is to have my mythtv box split into 2 virtual machines. 1 virtual machine will have direct hardware access and run xorg + mythtv. the 2nd virtual machine will have no xorg and just run some applications like postfix and bind and zoneminder, surely this is possible

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juski:

samesame: you dream of weird stuff

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samesame:

its weird but it keeps things seperate and tidy

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samesame:

and secure!

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anykey_:

samesame: just run everything on one machine, doesn't make a big difference imho

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samesame:

and possibly more stable

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samesame:

if the postfix vm dies, the mythtv vm will be ok

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samesame:

vice versa

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anykey_:

why should the vm die?

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siXy:

samesame: just use chroots

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samesame:

someone else mentioned chroots

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samesame:

can u chroot mythtv?

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siXy:

you can but no real point. chroot bind, postifx, anything else internet facing tho

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anykey_:

samesame: why would you want to chroot mythtv, it's only on your lan, just keep the ports to the internet closed?!

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samesame:

thats true

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samesame:

if i had a 2 virtual machines running on 1 box i could also pretend ive bought a new machine

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bb_:

hello, I have a newbie question. I have decided to build a dvr with mythtv.. I just got directtv, and I am curious whats the best card for directv and HD

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juski:

bb_: you can't capture directv in HD

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bb_:

u cant? dang why not?

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siXy:

samesame: 2 vms on one box gives you 2x 1/3rd of a machine

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siXy:

the spare 3rd goes into overhead

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juski:

bb_: you can't capture HDTV from *any* directtv box

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samesame:

thats not good

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siXy:

xen 3.0+ on modern cpus is better, but still is expensive in terms of system resources

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anykey_:

samesame: if you are such paranoid about security, just run two boxes.

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anykey_:

samesame: though I don't think you'd get a problem if you get the configuration of those services right

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bb_:

juski: crap...what about normal channels?

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juski:

bb_: OTA HDTV is about your only option unless you get cable – for HDTV that is

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juski:

bb_: for standard def. something like the pvr150/pvr500 card would do the job very well

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bb_:

juski: awesome!

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samesame:

anykey_: ok

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bb_:

juski: thank you very much

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bb_:

dang if I would have known this : http://www.pvrblog.com/pvr/2005/04/directvs_hd_pro.html I would have never went with directtv

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bb_:

i should just got an fma reciever

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TSCHAKWerk:

FEMA's in the cable tv business? RUN!!!

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

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rustalot:

I'm trying to choose a TV tuner, and I'm wondering about how a remote control would work.

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juski:

rustalot: for SDTV there's a choice of two cards: pvr150 or pvr500

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juski:

that's it

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TSCHAKWerk:

yeah, just stick with those two cards for SD.

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TSCHAKWerk:

(although my irtrans based remote is a huge improvement over the Hauppauge IR reciever, which has some really stupid constraints)

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TSCHAKWerk:

(just my opinion)

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Esotericisms:

directhex|work, you around?

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abarbaccia:

hey all – question about frontend / backend setups

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XLV:

just built a htpc, installed mythtv, using ubuntu feisty, tvtime scans and finds all channels but mythtv only starts with the default channel, and cant switch to others. is it cause there is no channel info grabber? cause here in greece its a bit difficult to setup a grabber

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abarbaccia:

if i have a backend server and one single frontend – should i mount the music, tv, picture directories on the frontend using nfs?

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abarbaccia:

XLV: sometimes that's the problem – look at the backend and frontend logs

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abarbaccia:

most likely its the backend

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XLV:

abarbaccia, found only backend log, what should i be looking for?

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abarbaccia:

look for when you go to change channels any error messages

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juski:

abarbaccia: NFS is one way to go about it. the backend certainly won't stream music or videos to a frontend just yet

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juski:

or pictures

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abarbaccia:

yeah....

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abarbaccia:

if you have multiple frontends – will it hold true still?

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XLV:

brb reboot

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juski:

abarbaccia: yes

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abarbaccia:

juski: what if both try to modify the same file at the same time? is there locking or something that occurs?

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abarbaccia:

(dont know when that would happen with pictures and music and videos, but still)

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juski:

abarbaccia: they shouldn't do that

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juski:

I expect NFS would prevent it anyway

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abarbaccia:

alright, ill give it a go

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TSCHAKWerk:

http://news.zdnet.com/2102-9588_22-6190900.html <-- _OH CRAP_ on multiple levels

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siXy:

NFS locking will prevent 2 people writing to a file simulneously

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Eclipsor:

just wondering, but is there a preferred filesystem for mythtv partitions?

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Esotericisms:

I have an error with setting up my PV150

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abarbaccia:

Esotericisms: what distro, and what errors

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siXy:

Eclipsor: there is a slight perfomance advanage to using XFS, but all the main ones will work

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Esotericisms:

"could not allocate buffers for encode MPEG"

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abarbaccia:

Eclipsor: I was using xfs for a while, but switched to ext3 because there was little advantage

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Esotericisms:

20.1

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Esotericisms:

sorry

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Esotericisms:

fedora core 6

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abarbaccia:

can you do a simple "cat /dev/video0 > temp.mpg" and play it back?

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abarbaccia:

because i think your mythtv settings are off

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Esotericisms:

um ... I don't have it hooked up yet to my cable line

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Esotericisms:

I just installed the ivtv drivers and depmod and modprove (following jareds howto)

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Esotericisms:

and it creates an error and doesn't initialize

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siXy:

main advantage of not using EXT3 is slow large file deletes. but if you dont delete recordings often you won't notice, and even if you do you may not

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TSCHAKWerk:

I've used just about every filesystem combination for mythtv stores...

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TSCHAKWerk:

XFS has the best balance that I've seen.

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TSCHAKWerk:

(JFS was fastest with file deletes, but only by a sliver next to XFS)

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TSCHAKWerk:

do not use ReiserFS at all

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abarbaccia:

TSCHAKWerk: i liked XFS, but using XFS on top of LVM with recent kernels is giving me major problems, so i went back to ext3

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TSCHAKWerk:

what problems?

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XLV:

major problems still, now that i have named all channels manually, when it tries to change the channel, it freezes then error window pops up, error rendering video. i am using svn 20070122 find in feisty repositories, should i try to get a newer svn and compile it myself?

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niter3:

Hey guys.. I've been looking at nvram-wakeup to shutdown my computer and bring it back via RTC. However, nvram-wakeup reports that it does not support my motherboard. Am I out of luck then? I have to stick with my computer always being on?

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XLV:

btw 0.20 is the stable version now? and 0.21 is the dev one? if so, i guess the one i am using is too old

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niter3:

I never notice any changes from the new version.

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GreyFoxx:

XLV: 0.20/0.20-fixes was always the "stable" version

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cal:

do i need a special antenna to get hd channels over the air, or will a standard antenna work?

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GreyFoxx:

oh, or do you mean just by how that distro names them ?

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GreyFoxx:

Cause there is no 0.21 at this point :)

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XLV:

GreyFoxx, i tried for now what was available on ubuntu feisty's reps 0.20-svn20070122

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GreyFoxx:

That's likely 0.20-fixes pulled on that date from svn

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XLV:

so i guess i'd better get a more recent .20 fixes ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

I'm sure more fixes have gone into it since then :)

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jams:

woohoo the roku soundbridge 1000 finally works with myth upnp

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GreyFoxx:

nice

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GreyFoxx:

how much are those these days ?

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jams:

looks to be around the same price of $200

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jams:

sorta pricey for just an audio player

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jams:

not for sure what made it work. I updated myth and at the same time noticed that roku had a software update for it

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mkrufky:

is that the mp3 device that allows for multiple devices playing the same audio stream in multiple rooms all staying in sync ?

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jams:

thats the squeezebox

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mkrufky:

ah, yes

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juski:

arghhh I'm in subversion hell again

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jams:

the audio does sound a bit better then from pc

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jams:

juski- did you rename a dir outside of svn again

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juski:

jams: not quite. trying to import a new dir & messing stuff up

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juski:

this is on my own server btw

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Esotericisms:

... I have my old database from my 0.19 install ... I just rebuild on new hardware on 0.20.1 and I want to use the same database, how do I update the database?

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jams:

Esotericisms- if you restore the db on the new hardware, myth will perform the updates for you

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Esotericisms:

sweet

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Esotericisms:

thanks

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jams:

just keep a copy of the old db around "just in case"

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Esotericisms:

thanks

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jams:

Esotericisms- also start mythbackend first, let it do the update before starting mythfrontned

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siXy:

jams: you can get decent pc soundcards that beat the roku easily

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siXy:

the only one thats hard to beat is the slimdevices transporter

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Esotericisms:

jams, definitely .. thanks :)

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Esotericisms:

my only problem now is I think I am going to have to buy another video card

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siXy:

meh lag spike again. freenode is poorly today

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jams:

siXy- isn't the transporter is in a different class of devices

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juski:

sorted my little svn snafu

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juski:

I can never remember where my repo is

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jams:

drats the streamzap reciever doens't quite work consistently in a vmware guest

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siXy:

jams: the transport is just a hifi version of their smaller device, which is highly similar to the roku

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jams:

so it's in a different class then the roku or squeezebox

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siXy:

yeah

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juski:

hokay

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/projectgrayhem-osd.html

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siXy:

weeeee! ow if only the download link worked... :PP

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juski:

fixed

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juski:

ow! that makes my eighth theme! ffs

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TSCHAKWerk:

jeebus, juski. you've been working your ass off.

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mkrufky:

ok, i can reproduce my mythbackend crash from the other night

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juski:

help! make me stop!!!

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mkrufky:

looks like the system does a hardlockup, upon the begining of the 3rd concurrent recording >:o

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: and that is the BEST looking OSD to date

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TSCHAKWerk:

in fact

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siXy:

juski: thanks, that looks a fantastic osd theme.

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TSCHAKWerk:

I'm switching to it now

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mkrufky:

and no error messages in syslog :-(

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a5benwillis:

Anyone know why mythweb wouldnt be showing my PPV chans in the guide????

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juski:

nope

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a5benwillis:

nice them BTW juski

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a5benwillis:

theme

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Brian2:

Hey guys. Got everything working now! One question, though. Does the backend still record scheduled recordings when the frontend is closed?

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a5benwillis:

yes

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juski:

Brian2: wouldn't be much fscking use if it didn't now would it?

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Brian2:

Cool.

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** juski takes a breather **

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a5benwillis:

Brian2: They are seperate programs and are designed to run on seperate machines.

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Brian2:

Juski: We are talking about a program in version 0.21...

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juski:

a5benwillis: _can_ be run on different machines

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a5benwillis:

ok.... can be run on different machines.. Symantics

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anykey_:

Brian2: have you checked how old the program is? If it would be developed by microsoft we would be at version 6.0

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Brian2:

Can MythTV front-end be run in a Virtualized Linux session on Windows? I don't have that problem – I use Linux, but my roommates on the same network use Windows.

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juski:

Brian2: no

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a5benwillis:

Brian2: They are seperate programs and are designed so that they can run on seperate machines OR together on one system.

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juski:

well not _usefully_ anyway I bet

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a5benwillis:

juski: Better?

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juski:

lol yes

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janneg:

mkrufky: are you still using identical/similar cards? can try just to record from that card

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siXy:

Brian2: there is a winmyth frontend but its buggy and not really maintained as far as i know

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niter3:

How does windows media player know how to turn itself back on for a recording? Is something written to the BIOS RTC?

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Brian2:

Cool.

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anykey_:

Brian2: it could, although probably only in qt-painter mode and I doubt that the virtualized system can use xv and such

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a5benwillis:

Brian2: A windows player exists I believe.

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siXy:

niter3:there is a background process that continues to run

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niter3:

Doesn't the computer go into hibernation though?

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niter3:

Meaning the computer is off.

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Brian2:

Is there also a way to have MythTV automatically encode recorded programs to Xvid when there's enough CPU cycles?

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siXy:

oh you mean turn the computer back on from hibernation?

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niter3:

siXy: Yes for a recording

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anykey_:

Brian2: yes, read the docs ;)

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mkrufky:

janneg: the individual cards work fine... ie: i've tested each of them separately using mplayer, and i have also tested live video via myth, tested each input using the 'Y' hotkey

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janneg:

mkrufky: the card where the third recording started

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Brian2:

They were obtuse, but I'll give it another look.

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mkrufky:

janneg: yeah, that card works fine, when used by itself

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anykey_:

mkrufky: maybe your system can't handle pci load with 3 cars recording?

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siXy:

Brian2: its called transcoding. i used to run it on every recording for my pda, but then my pda broke.

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Leoric:

hi

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Brian2:

Alright – but yeah, I've got my audio problems solved and now all I have to do is take it to the living room and hook it up to the television! Yay!

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mkrufky:

anykey_: it worked in the past..... i dont see much reason why that shouldnt work

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anykey_:

mkrufky: oh, ok then

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Brian2:

Transcoding? I tried that. For some reason it didn't work.

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mkrufky:

unless..... maybe a 350 W PSU isn't enough for my system's saturated PCI bus?

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Brian2:

Mmm... Anyway, I've got to get going. Thanks for your help.

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mkrufky:

also considering the fact that i've got eight hard drives in that box

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anykey_:

mkrufky: should be enough I think, if you're not using a system with 2 graphic cards etc

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mkrufky:

only 1 graphic card

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siXy:

niter3: are you sure it does? thought it was only standby not hibernation

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janneg:

mkrufky: ok

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anykey_:

mkrufky: mine has 10 disks, with a 4200+ EE, running on a 350 ps, no problems

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mkrufky:

hmm, ok, so that basically rules out the PSU :-/

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juski:

mkrufky: not necessarily. PSUs vary in quality greatly

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niter3:

Standby, is that not suspend? Meaning you don't see the RAM calculate when it fires back up?

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mkrufky:

juski: this is an antec PS ... it's good stuff

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Ryuken:

hi

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anykey_:

niter3: the difference between hibernation and standby is that with hibernation you can cut the power completly, as the RAM content is stored on the disk, while with standby the ram still needs to be updated a few times per second ;)

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Ryuken:

HI

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mkrufky:

i might upgrade from fc5 --> fc7 over the weekend and see if that changes anything

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anykey_:

so with standby you can't cut the power

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siXy:

standby is a group term for pos1 and pos3

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janneg:

mkrufky: can you shuffle the cards and try to reproduce it again

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siXy:

both require power

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niter3:

well I'm talking about hibernate

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anykey_:

siXy: hibernation doesn't need any power..

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niter3:

Well either way if it's standby or hibernate how does the machine know when to come back up

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mkrufky:

janneg: physically move them around, ie: change pci slots? ...or just change the card priorities in mythtv-setup ?

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janneg:

it's pretty hard to hardlock the machine from userspace

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janneg:

just change the priorities

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siXy:

anykey_: yes i know. hibernation is neither pos1 nor pos3

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mkrufky:

ok, i'll do that when i get home tonight, then set up 3 recordings in the same time slot

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mkrufky:

janneg: ^

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siXy:

standby is easy. pretty sure you cant do a soft wake from hibernate tho

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anykey_:

siXy: I thought s1 is suspend-to-disk aka hibernation, whilst s3 is suspend-to-ram

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siXy:

*looks it up*

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anykey_:

siXy: just seen that s4 is suspend2disk

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anykey_:

sorry ;)

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siXy:

nps :)

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mkrufky:

janneg: i dunno if this helps, but card #0 is a b2c2-flexcop, card #1 and #2 are both cx88's ,and card #3 is bt878 ... all four using lgdt330x

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Ryuken:

Is there a list of supported remote controlls?

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siXy:

Ryuken: www.lirc.org

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anykey_:

Ryuken: lirc.org

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Ryuken:

thx

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siXy:

mce-usb is good, tho not cheap

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Ryuken:

No, it's technically not possible to use USB IrDA dongles o.0 ?

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Ryuken:

i dont understand this part, so all remotes wich use a usb dongle do not work?

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Zider:

IIRC IrDA is a data transfer standard not suited for remotes, and not all IrDA dongles supports ordinary remotes

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siXy:

IR remotes do not, and canot, use IrDA

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siXy:

there are scattered reports that some IrDA recivers will recieve IR remote signals, but i have not been able to confirm this

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Zider:

some laptop IrDA ports can use remotes

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Zider:

and there are some IrDA remotes actually, but they're rare, expensive and overall crap ;)

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Zider:

(IIRC)

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Ryuken:

thx 4 you information but i hardly understand it tbh

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Ryuken:

i bought this rc long time ago(http://www.ditech.at/watermark.aspx?pic=FBMCE) do you think its going to work with lirc and mythtv or not?

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Ryuken:

i am short away, thx 4 your answers

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siXy:

just for the record, windows vista is actually slower then os/2..... grr!

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juski:

siXy: you didn't expect it to be _faster_ than anything did you?

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janneg:

mkrufky: I'm pretty sure that you know more about their potential bugs than me

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janneg:

mkrufky: the third recording started on the seconf cx88 card?

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mkrufky:

janneg: yes, and yes

[16:00:11]

mkrufky:

janneg: i mentioned it to you in case you thought of something i didnt

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TSCHAKWerk:

S1 is "standby"

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siXy:

juski: sadly its a work laptop so i dont have a lot of choice. but i didnt expect it to be so slow it takes me 5 ins to switch window

[16:01:38]

siXy:

Ryuken: for when you ge back, that remote should work fine

[16:01:44]

mkrufky:

i also have problems if i am watching a recording while some other program is being recorded... the moment a second recording begins, i get the same crash

[16:01:45]

janneg:

mkrufky: I would start testing if both cx88 cards work nicely together. but I don't really expect that they won't work

[16:03:15]

janneg:

mkrufky: that gives also a hardlocked system?

[16:04:04]

mkrufky:

janneg: yes ....

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mkrufky:

janneg: so i think that the dual cx88's isnt the issue

[16:04:23]

mkrufky:

but still worth looking into

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siXy:

have a good weekend everyone :)

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janneg:

mkrufky: are you still using 0.20 with a single big lvm partition?

[16:09:55]

mkrufky:

janneg: i am using 0.20 with 800 GB lvm partition, AND a md 2 TB partition

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janneg:

testing multiple writes/reads with pci load (zap -r) would be another test

[16:10:18]

mkrufky:

janneg: all the files on the 800 GB lvm are symlinked on the 2 TB partition

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fryfrog:

nice, what are the 2TB md's drives?

[16:11:05]

mkrufky:

janneg: i have done that in the past, but i have not yet done it ever since i installed the md .... (the md is on a pci card, so it would be a good idea to do that test)

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mkrufky:

fryfrog: 2 TB md drives == Seagate Baraccuda 2007.10 ... 4x 750 GB 3.0/s

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mkrufky:

fryfrog: ^^ on a raid5

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mkrufky:

janneg: i'll do that and get back to you

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fryfrog:

nice, how much are 750G drives at now?

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fryfrog:

2x more 320G drives will get me to 2TB, but that is 8 freaking drives !

[16:12:59]

mkrufky:

i got them for $209 , but that was with my company's business discount

[16:13:00]

janneg:

soon 150 euros

[16:13:30]

mkrufky:

yeah, i've got 8 drives in that machine in total, but only six of them are being used for recordings

[16:13:52]

mkrufky:

(when i run out of space next time, i'll add another two drives :-P )

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fryfrog:

maybe when prices for 750G or 1TB get down to $100, i'll re-do the array :)

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Ryuken:

i just have 640 gb =(

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Ryuken:

xD

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Ryuken:

siXy

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Ryuken:

so it should work?

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mkrufky:

Ryuken: sure will work, just will have limitied room for recordings

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niter3:

I was looking at nvram-wakeup and it has reported that my motherboard is not supported. Am I out of luck with no way of turning this computer off to save hydro between recordings and watching.

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** Kevorkian reminds juski that a tivo clone theme would be useful to at least one person. **

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mkrufky:

beware copyright laws!

[16:54:10]

juski:

?

[16:54:11]

mkrufky:

call it — mytht-vo

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mkrufky:

:-P

[16:54:59]

juski:

tivo theme. PFFFT

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juski:

not a chance in HELL

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juski:

I feel insulted at the very suggestion

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** Kevorkian shrugs **

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juski:

it'd be hard to make a theme with a colour scheme so puke inducing anyway

[16:56:06]

Kevorkian:

not just the color .. but the .. umm .. flow of the UI

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juski:

you can't change the flow of the UI with themes

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Kevorkian:

you cant add and remove menu items ?? rename menu items ?? place them on diffrent parts of the screen ?? make new groups ??

[16:57:58]

Kevorkian:

changing the "tree"

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juski:

you could if you were really anal about it I suppose

[16:58:31]

juski:

I don't see mythtv's menu layout as illogical in any way apart from the location of some of the setup menus

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juski:

and they're definitely hard-coded

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mkrufky:

you can def alter the menu tree

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juski:

mkrufky: to a point you can

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mkrufky:

some of the included themes have differeing tree layouts

[17:00:24]

juski:

but the real illogical stuff is hard coded

[17:00:30]

mkrufky:

well, i never tried it myself, so i dont know where that point is

[17:01:15]

juski:

tivo can't play back stuff from a network, so where'd you put all that stuff .. the media library etc?

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juski:

plus I have NO idea what format the tivo menus take

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juski:

this is an ideal opportunity for a user to get off their ass & do something :-P

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mkrufky:

Kevorkian: that's you're queue

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Kevorkian:

Im no artist .. juski made a comment that indicated bordem .. I simply noted that there was not clone theam ( that I know of ) ..

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juski:

resorted to looking at mythscreenstack.cpp to see how it works

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juski:

I still can't see what's allegedly so illogical about myth's main menu layout but hey

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juski:

talking about illogical on Sky's Sky+ PVR thing your recorded shows are in the fscking programme guide. how daft?!

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Esotericisms:

anyone compile the ati_remote.c file into x86_64 kernel?

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RockHound:

good day ... why does mythweb not save its settings? I get PHP loging a fatal error on that site ... that is my guess at why ... this is probably known though ... any workaround?

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xris:

RockHound: what error?

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xris:

settings saving has worked fine for me since I wrote it

[17:24:09]

RockHound:

okay .. so I am in the correct channel ;-)

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RockHound:

hang on

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RockHound:

apache2: PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function query() on a non-object in /mnt/daten/localweb/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/includes/session.php on line 60

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RockHound:

am out for tonight but surely back tommorrow when time permits ... btw, hitting save reload page but nothing saved ...

[17:26:31]

Beirdo:

I HATE Liberty

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Beirdo:

the wankers disabled SNMP in my cable modem, now I can

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xris:

RockHound: you need to be running svn, or downgrade php

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Beirdo:

t graph signal levels

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Beirdo:

jerks

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Esotericisms:

xris, Beirdo, I am having problems with the ati_remote.c code, do either of you have experience with it?

[17:29:45]

Beirdo:

nope, not me

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xris:

Esotericisms: not in years, sorry

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xris:

RockHound: it's actually a "feature" in new php.. destroys objects before closing the session.

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wastrel:

all my hardware will be here before the weekend except the tv-out card :[

[17:31:10]

wastrel:

maybe i can get the all-in-wonder working for tv-out

[17:31:52]

xris:

wastrel: unfriendly-to-linux card

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wastrel:

i know

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mkrufky:

i heard that gatos support has gotten much better lately

[17:32:39]

mkrufky:

(gatos supports those AIW's) .....

[17:33:01]

mkrufky:

although better than crap might still be crap

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wastrel:

it's just til i get my tv-out card

[17:33:31]

wastrel:

i don't want to wait til next weekend to set things up :p

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xris:

so set it up on a monitor?

[17:37:18]

wastrel:

don't have one

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wastrel:

laptop + headless server

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xris:

ah

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wastrel:

i can forward x across the lan to lappy i guess

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wastrel:

802.11b tho :[

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Esotericisms:

anyone a niveus ati_remote.c user?

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ubuntuEdgy:

whats your problem

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sphery:

Esotericisms: I use lirc_atiusb

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Esotericisms:

I can't get the ati_remote.c to compile under fedora core 6 ...

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Esotericisms:

I have done it before under core 3 and 4

[17:52:21]

Esotericisms:

lirc_atiusb? sphery, that works with the niveus remote through rf?

[17:52:22]

sphery:

Why not use LIRC? It's more powerful, anyway.

[17:52:30]

ubuntuEdgy:

dependency's met ?

[17:52:45]

Esotericisms:

ubuntuEdgy, http://pastebin.com/929708

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ubuntuEdgy:

im a noob

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sphery:

It works with ATI Remote Wonder, an NVIDIA remote, and X10 Lola. I think pretty much all of the RF remotes are X10-based designs, so ...

[17:53:10]

ubuntuEdgy:

yeh try lircd

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wastrel:

i just got a remote wonder it has a RF thingy

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wastrel:

not IR

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Esotericisms:

sphery, any special instructions on getting it setup?

[17:54:47]

sphery:

Esotericisms: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/140670#140670 . Says it works out of the box with lirc_atiusb.

[17:55:05]

ubuntuEdgy:

i have a really good one here

[17:55:35]

sphery:

Main thing you'll need a new enough version of LIRC (i.e. 0.8.2, ideally) for your kernel.

[17:55:56]

Esotericisms:

sphery, so just install lircd and then the driver?

[17:56:25]

sphery:

Although you can download config files for lircd.conf, I recorded my own. It seems there are enough differences between LIRC versions and different X10 remotes that the downloaded ones don't always work.

[17:56:49]

Esotericisms:

you are using the niveus remote correct? I can snag yours from you?

[17:56:55]

sphery:

I don't know how your package manager works, but that sounds about right.

[17:56:56]

ubuntuEdgy:

just lircd,

[17:57:01]

sphery:

I'm using the ATI Remote Wonder.

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ubuntuEdgy:

any good ?

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sphery:

I highly recommend using irrecord... It's quick and takes a lot less time than testing many different confs.

[17:57:30]

GreyFoxx:

I've got a Niveus on the go, but have to replace it soon

[17:57:42]

GreyFoxx:

after years of behing dropped and stuff spilled on it's started to get flaky :)

[17:57:55]

wastrel:

the remote wonder is an X10 remote?

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ubuntuEdgy:

apt-get install lirc lirc-modules-source module-assistant

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ubuntuEdgy:

:)

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Esotericisms:

hey GreyFoxx, I have the old ati_remote.c code that you game be when I installed mythtv the first time on fc3, now on 64bit fc6 I can't get it to work

[17:58:35]

sphery:

I like that I can use the RW from any room in my house... I have a script that's called by irexec that controls my 'net radio with one button (alternating through my favorites), plus volume, mute, etc are used with MPlayer (which I'm using for netradio), so I often use it in other rooms.

[17:58:36]

Esotericisms:

so I am stuck

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wastrel:

cooool

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wastrel:

i'm totally going to do that

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GreyFoxx:

Esotericisms: The one I am using with 2.6.19.2 is on my site

[17:59:08]

wastrel:

need to buy speakers.

[17:59:13]

GreyFoxx:

http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/

[17:59:16]

sphery:

Recent kernels have been shipping ati_remote.c... Probably don't need an old one...

[17:59:35]

Esotericisms:

GreyFoxx, http://pastebin.com/929708 <-- this is my problem

[17:59:37]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: They have for a while, but they don't support this particular variation fo the remote

[17:59:44]

sphery:

Oh.

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ubuntuEdgy:

make shure they are 7.0

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Esotericisms:

exactly :)

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sphery:

vendor id or something?

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ubuntuEdgy:

brb

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Esotericisms:

GreyFoxx, http://pastebin.com/929748 ... my kernel is 2.6.20–1.2952.fc6

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Esotericisms:

any thoughs

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GreyFoxx:

Esotericisms: Honestly too busy at the moment to even look :)

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Esotericisms:

doh

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Esotericisms:

looks like a variable is undeclared

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Esotericisms:

sweet got it compile

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Esotericisms:

compiled*

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Esotericisms:

now I just need to remember how to install and make it work :0

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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ubuntuEdgy:

!seen bumhole

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MythLogBot:

bumhole has not been seen here

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ubuntuEdgy:

!seen bunhole

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MythLogBot:

bunhole has not been seen here

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ubuntuEdgy:

1seen juski

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ubuntuEdgy:

!seen juski

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MythLogBot:

juski is here and has been idle for 58 minutes 41 seconds

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juski:

!trout ubuntuEdgy

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** MythLogBot slaps ubuntuEdgy with a trout on behalf of juski... **

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ubuntuEdgy:

ouch

[18:10:15]

ubuntuEdgy:

juski remember my theme

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juski:

nope

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Esotericisms:

GreyFoxx, got the kernel compiled

[18:10:55]

ubuntuEdgy:

the one you said was too bright

[18:11:00]

Esotericisms:

I makedepend -a

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: the one that had the really nice shiny icons?

[18:11:27]

juski:

ubuntuEdgy: kinda, but a lot of theme has passed by me in the last 7 days

[18:11:33]

ubuntuEdgy:

ohh thanks.

[18:11:43]

ubuntuEdgy:

did you see its osd ?

[18:11:51]

juski:

did you ever finish it?

[18:12:11]

ubuntuEdgy:

no. it stoped working

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Esotericisms:

GreyFoxx, I know your busy, but the driver on your website, is that setup for the niveus?

[18:12:29]

ubuntuEdgy:

im back at it thou

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ubuntuEdgy:

ii removed the icons. i plan on putting them back since you said they were nice.

[18:13:59]

ubuntuEdgy:

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/6559/screenshotmt4.png

[18:14:46]

ubuntuEdgy:

you like the blue

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juski:

it's still too light

[18:15:35]

ubuntuEdgy:

its the only nice wallpaper i have

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ubuntuEdgy:

you gonna have to put up.

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ubuntuEdgy:

!trout juski

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** MythLogBot slaps juski with a trout on behalf of ubuntuEdgy... **

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ubuntuEdgy:

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/304/screenshot1sj0.png

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GreyFoxx:

Esotericisms: Yup, specifically taylored to the niveus

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Esotericisms:

cool, does the arrows control the mouse too?

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wastrel:

the big circle thingy

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Esotericisms:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

Esotericisms: yes

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wastrel:

it does mine

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GreyFoxx:

At least it worked last time I tried it :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

juski , you gona love this http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/4816/screenshots2bd0.png

[18:21:29]

Esotericisms:

hrm, well I am just trying to figure out a good way of testing it ... since I don't have mythtv setup all the way yet

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wastrel:

i just plugged the RF antenna thingy into a usb port and it worked.

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ubuntuEdgy:

and finnaly http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/5500/scrweenshot2rr5.png

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: you make a better OSD theme than menu theme :)

[18:24:54]

ubuntuEdgy:

thanks man.

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ubuntuEdgy:

what dont you like about the menu

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juski:

horizontal. too bright. don't like the button icons pinched from minimalist-wide/blue either – never have liked them

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ubuntuEdgy:

im going to remove them, i never liked them too.

[18:27:38]

ubuntuEdgy:

i wanted this theme to have animations. like slide or fade.

[18:27:43]

ubuntuEdgy:

can this be done?

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juski:

no

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juski:

if it could be done I would be all over it

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ubuntuEdgy:

who could build this into mythtv ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

any one here ?

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juski:

somebody with the motivation & dedication

[18:29:13]

ubuntuEdgy:

you then

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juski:

most of the development work in myth right now is going towards making it more stable

[18:29:25]

wastrel:

what's OSD?

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GreyFoxx:

On Screen Display

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wastrel:

oic

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ubuntuEdgy:

surely it cant get more stable then this.

[18:30:03]

juski:

it's not great for everybody

[18:30:30]

juski:

anyway yeah I might have a go at putting some animation in there, but it will NOT be easy

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juski:

I almost gave up when I added a progress bar to mythmusic last week

[18:31:00]

ubuntuEdgy:

xbmc has them

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juski:

muh xbmc has them.. frontrow has them. muh muh muh..

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ubuntuEdgy:

mabe you could have a look at how they done it

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juski:

maybe I've done enough lately!

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh i knw

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ubuntuEdgy:

can any one here do it ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

i would try but i doubt i will get far.

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: nobody ever listens to begging

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ubuntuEdgy:

....you should know

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ubuntuEdgy:

.. im only kidding matey

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ubuntuEdgy:

:-D

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ubuntuEdgy:

by the way when this theme is it will knock ur block off

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ubuntuEdgy:

when this theme is done*

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wastrel:

i just want a nice looking theme

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wastrel:

my tv is crappy so it can't be too pretty

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wastrel:

has to be chunky ;]

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ubuntuEdgy:

this theme is for when you have a 40 " HDTV

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ubuntuEdgy:

for your sake i hope its soon

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wastrel:

my tv is old and bad

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ubuntuEdgy:

sorry bud

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ubuntuEdgy:

wastrell you any good with gimp?

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wastrel:

no

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok thx

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ubuntuEdgy:

brb

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Esotericisms:

GreyFoxx, I am getting kernel weird data messages with the remote

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GreyFoxx:

I see that once in a while, it's never affected my use of it though

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GreyFoxx:

I think some combos of buttons send some codes I don't account for

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Esotericisms:

hrm ... ok I will see if It works

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Esotericisms:

I don't think it is though

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ubuntuEdg1:

juski i have new icons want to see them ?

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ubuntuEdg1:

!seen /juski

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MythLogBot:

/juski has not been seen here

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ubuntuEdg1:

!seen juski

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MythLogBot:

juski is here and has been idle for 18 minutes 22 seconds

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ubuntuEdg1:

brb

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Esotericisms:

GreyFoxx, it appears the remote is not working

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janneg:

!trout spying ubuntuEdg1

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** MythLogBot slaps spying with a ubuntuEdg1 trout on behalf of janneg... **

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janneg:

!trout ubuntuEdg1 spying

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mokkan:

hey, my remote has a video button.. is there a key binding in mythtv that i can use to access my video library?

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mokkan:

so i can bind my video button to go there?

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ubuntuEdg1:

mokkan: yes

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mokkan:

ubuntuEdg1, oh yeah?

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ubuntuEdg1:

go to mythfront end >setup> edit keys, its really simple and effective

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ubuntuEdg1:

also make shure you video button is listed in the lirc file

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ubuntuEdg1:

dose any one know a simple way to move the theme icons.

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ubuntuEdg1:

i cant keep, changing 0,10.. 0,11 ..0,30 and so on

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laga:

why not?

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mokkan:

my mythtv doesnt have an edit keys menu..

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laga:

mokkan: install mythcontrols

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ubuntuEdg1:

laga: its time consuming

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mokkan:

thank you laga :)

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sphery:

If it's not worth working for, it's not worth doing... :)

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ubuntuEdg1:

i know juski has an easy way.........but i pisssed him off

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ubuntuEdg1:

juski baby....

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ubuntuEdg1:

;)

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ubuntuEdg1:

brb

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Esotericisms:

GreyFoxx, it won't work .. the remote that is

[19:11:28]

Esotericisms:

I get "unknown input"

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MikeyMan:

Greetings everybody.

[19:13:27]

MikeyMan:

Is anybody available that could help me with a recording problem?

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niter3:

MikeyMan: what's happening?

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MikeyMan:

If I'm watching live TV the program will record. However if I am not watching LiveTV, my secheduled recordings don't happen.

[19:14:09]

MikeyMan:

In the backend log I see this:

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MikeyMan:

2007-06–15 12:30:05.282 Channel(/dev/v4l/video0): SetInputAndFormat() failed

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MikeyMan:

2007-06–15 12:30:05.300 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 11. Reverting to kState_None

[19:15:04]

MikeyMan:

I think I may have something misconfigured in my capture card settings, but I've gone over them and nothing really jumps out at me.

[19:15:11]

MikeyMan:

It is a PVR-150 capture card.

[19:15:25]

MikeyMan:

My sattelite receiver is connected to the composite input.

[19:16:18]

MikeyMan:

I've also done some Google searching and unfortunately I don't find anything that seems to match this situation.

[19:16:31]

niter3:

http://www.lemis.com/grog/diary-mar2007.html

[19:16:34]

niter3:

Have you tried this.

[19:16:42]

niter3:

Maybe try repopulating your database..

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niter3:

?

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MikeyMan:

Saw that link earlier. I didn't try re-populating the database because his error seemed to be that channel numbers were missing.

[19:18:10]

MikeyMan:

I'll re-read a little more carefully this time.

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niter3:

I quickly scanned that site for you. Just searching google via your error.

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niter3:

hey MikeyMan

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niter3:

I think I found your fix

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niter3:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Troubles . . . not_be_found

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niter3:

recreating and mapping out your video sources should do the trick.

[19:21:18]

niter3:

Check that link out

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MikeyMan:

OK, just a moment

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Esotericisms:

GreyFoxx, you around ... my remote isn't working :( ...

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MikeyMan:

niter3: Thanks for that link, that's the closest I've seen to the problem I'm having.

[19:28:42]

MikeyMan:

I'll delete my video sources, etc., and reconfigure. Hopefully that'll take care of things.

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MikeyMan:

Will report back here in a while.

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niter3:

np

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snarkster:

good afternoon

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snarkster:

does myth work with cable cards?

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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snarkster:

hmm

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snarkster:

is it in the works?

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GreyFoxx:

They wont give out any information whatsoever on using them

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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snarkster:

well that blows

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snarkster:

well i just finsihed setting up my raid array for my mythbox..

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snarkster:

just need to get my pvr and my tv card

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snarkster:

um just the pvr i mean.

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Esotericisms:

GreyFoxx, I could really use some help

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GreyFoxx:

Some of us do have day jobs :)

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GreyFoxx:

I don't have "trouble shooting" time right now :)

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snarkster:

LOL

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snarkster:

say it aint so

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Esotericisms:

whens your day job over?

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GreyFoxx:

after my daughter goes to bed around 10:30pm ;)

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Kevorkian:

day jobs ??

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Esotericisms:

I know that I have a 1 year old

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Kevorkian:

what is that ?

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wastrel:

hah

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wastrel:

you all are funny

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wastrel:

my kid goes to bed at 10:30 too

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Esotericisms:

well let me just type the problem and maybe you know of the quick fix ... According to linux it is receiving the signals so I know the driver is working accept none of the buttons actually do anything inside kde or mythfrontend

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juski:

snarkster: cablecard support isn't very likely to come to linux in any *legal* way under the DMCA

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snarkster:

that mundane place you goto during the day to waist time and aggrevate the crap outta ya

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Kevorkian:

charge the time you spend on troubleshooting his problem to the marketing dept .. code it as research

[19:44:32]

Esotericisms:

and every button input creates a message Weird data

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Kevorkian:

they will never notice

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wastrel:

long past time to repeal the dmca

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wastrel:

piece of shit legislation

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Kevorkian:

What juski ??

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Esotericisms:

where are the irc logs at?

[19:45:20]

Kevorkian:

a cable card is simply a pcma card ..

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Kevorkian:

in theory it should be easy .. send the signal into it .. and get the vid back out ..

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juski:

Kevorkian: it's tightly controlled hardware tied into specific, modified PC BIOS – that's how I understand it

[19:46:20]

Kevorkian:

its all the "other" shit that keeps em from wanting to support it ..

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Kevorkian:

juski, its not ..

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Kevorkian:

you could compair it to the dtv cards .. its really just a conditional access module ..

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Esotericisms:

mythtv says it is using my capture card, but nothing is using it

[19:49:44]

wastrel:

mmm got my tuner card, RAM, HDD and DVD drive <3

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wastrel:

thank you fedex

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juski:

yes but at the end of the day, it's only supposed to allow playback on certain hardware under certain controllable conditions. putting support into open source software kinda negates any control & could easily be construed as an attempt to bypass copy protection – and in that way would violate the DMCA

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Kevorkian:

it woudlnt have to be open source ..

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Esotericisms:

can anyone help .. mythfrontend says that it can't use the capture card cause something else is using it ... though I check and nothing is being recorded

[19:50:43]

Kevorkian:

The problem comes from the fact that cable companys dont want to support cable card at all ..

[19:50:46]

laga:

ah

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juski:

yeah well we all know how popular binary blobs are. there are sticklers about that kind of thing

[19:51:05]

laga:

did you american guys take a sane standard and made it incompatible to the rest of the world again? ;)

[19:51:20]

Kevorkian:

they want you to use the setop box they give you ..

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juski:

laga: oh you should see the new dvb protection mechanisms that the standards bodies are talking about. like broadcast flag ++++

[19:52:45]

laga:

juski: my alphacrypt light can even decrypt our HDTV streams. i could care less, really :)

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Esotericisms:

j-rod, you listening it?

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j-rod:

???

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juski:

Esotericisms: mythfrontend isn't the app that uses a capture card

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** j-rod hasn't paid attention to this channel all day, has no clue what Esotericisms is talking about... **

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snarkster:

my cable company gives out cable cards.

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TSCHAKWerk:

snarkster: I've heard nothing but pure anguish from people trying to get a cablecard to work with their OCUR.

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laga:

OCUR?

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TSCHAKWerk:

snarkster: one wrong move and the card go boom.

[19:55:06]

TSCHAKWerk:

laga: Open cablecard Unit Reciever

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TSCHAKWerk:

or something like that

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Kevorkian:

cable companys HATE them ..

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TSCHAKWerk:

the ATI card that was finally released (only to _certain_ OEMs, which MUST pass a Cablecards hardware certification and lockdown process that is prohibitively expensive)....

[19:56:04]

TSCHAKWerk:

......doesn't work.

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laga:

the "cable card" sounds like what i'd call a CAM

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jams:

howdy j-rod

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j-rod:

'sup jams

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Esotericisms:

juski, which is

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juski:

Esotericisms: mythbackend

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TSCHAKWerk:

laga: it's a CAM with some really nasty hardware constraints.

[19:56:53]

Esotericisms:

juski, symantecs

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jams:

i'ts not often you visit this channel

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laga:

TSCHAKWerk: heh. awesome

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GreyFoxx:

My cableco has specifically decided to not use cablecards with no intention of moving that way. thankfully

[19:57:05]

Esotericisms:

frontend told me that it couldn't open the device

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Kevorkian:

OH .. juski there IS linux support for cable card ..

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juski:

TSCHAKWerk: like locking it into certain BIOS for example

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Esotericisms:

cause something else is using it

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: yeah, and worse.

[19:57:19]

** Kevorkian points at the tivo S3 **

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Esotericisms:

I am having problems with my capture card PV150, can anyone help?

[19:57:36]

juski:

Kevorkian: tivo isn't open source. and it'll never run mythtv :)

[19:57:44]

Kevorkian:

Esotericisms, did it work before you broke it ?

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TSCHAKWerk:

i'm guessing they also use a form of the Intel TPA to store/retrieve keys between the card and the OCUR.

[19:58:04]

Esotericisms:

Kevorkian, it did before I got a new board, proc, memory, and drives

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** j-rod goes back to beating on xen and kdump... **

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Kevorkian:

and yes laga thats what a v1.0 card really is

[19:58:23]

TSCHAKWerk:

v2.0 is hell on earth.

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Esotericisms:

j-rod, you have experience with the niveus ati_remote driver?

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Kevorkian:

so .. the answer is no Esotericisms

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Esotericisms:

well in my old system it worked :)

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TSCHAKWerk:

and is for all intents and purposes, basically unimplementable by any sane measure of the word implementable.

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Kevorkian:

or perhaps I shoudl rephrase my question .. did it work in THIS install before you broke it

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Esotericisms:

dmesg says it loaded with no errors so the card and drivers are working properly

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j-rod:

Esotericisms: nope, sorry

[19:59:13]

Esotericisms:

j-rod, question since you are a fedora guru

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Kevorkian:

ok .. question 1 about a happauage card .. did you set it up as a vl4 card .. or a mpeg2 ??

[19:59:37]

j-rod:

uh... ati_remote != fedora... :)

[19:59:39]

TSCHAKWerk:

of course, as if CableCard wasn't bad enough... DirecTV found a way to be even worse :-P

[19:59:40]

laga:

TSCHAKWerk: interesting. looks like it can't do EPG or video on demand. thaT's sucky.

[19:59:46]

Esotericisms:

agreed

[20:00:03]

MikeyMan:

And now for the moment of truth...

[20:00:09]

Kevorkian:

laga, v2 "should"

[20:00:10]

Esotericisms:

var/log/messages shows the system receiving the signals from the remote, it just isn't actually doing the keyboard input commands that each button is tied to

[20:00:13]

Esotericisms:

any idea?

[20:00:16]

Esotericisms:

Kevorkian, mpeg2

[20:00:25]

TSCHAKWerk:

laga: trust me, it's much worse.. the entire standard was deliberately sabotaged.

[20:00:29]

MikeyMan:

niter3: Success!!

[20:00:34]

laga:

TSCHAKWerk: our "one-way" CAMs can do EPG and video on demand. we have to request our VOD stuff over the phone or the www.

[20:00:37]

laga:

TSCHAKWerk: :(

[20:00:48]

laga:

TSCHAKWerk: someone needs to be hit with a cluebat. repeatedly.

[20:01:01]

TSCHAKWerk:

laga: the entertainment industry controls our government.

[20:01:03]

MikeyMan:

niter3: I have no idea why it stopped working, but deleting all capture cards, video sources, etc., and re-doing them fixed it.

[20:01:07]

MikeyMan:

niter3: Thanks again.

[20:01:12]

TSCHAKWerk:

laga: and they also seem to think they control all the tech companies as well

[20:01:17]

Kevorkian:

Esotericisms, myth tv uses direct accsse to the lircd ..

[20:01:57]

Esotericisms:

GreyFoxx, does lircd need to be installed to use the ati_remote kernel driver?

[20:02:03]

TSCHAKWerk:

laga: the media cartel finally woke up and decided it wanted an absolute approach to compensation, and found a way to implement it, to the complete disregard of any form of "Fair Use" as defined under copyright law.

[20:02:08]

laga:

TSCHAKWerk: that's scary

[20:02:23]

TSCHAKWerk:

laga: and it's getting worse

[20:02:29]

Esotericisms:

Kevorkian, back to the capture card problem .. :)

[20:02:32]

Esotericisms:

can you help

[20:02:44]

juski:

for a long time now they've been after a way to overturn congress' decision on the home taping trial

[20:02:51]

juski:

and now they have the means

[20:02:54]

TSCHAKWerk:

laga: there has now been legal precedent set by a judge demanding that "computer RAM" is now deemed a form of "document storage that can be used for legal discovery"

[20:03:01]

snarkster:

gotta run.. later

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Kevorkian:

well .. first question is .. what makes you think that nothing else is using the card ??

[20:03:20]

TSCHAKWerk:

laga: yes.. I said, "Computer RAM"

[20:03:39]

juski:

TSCHAKWerk: do they knwo what that'll entail? logging RAM contents forevermore?

[20:03:55]

Kevorkian:

TSCHAK that will be revoked.. the bigger issue in that case is what they are making torrent spy do for discovery

[20:03:57]

juski:

are they really as stupid as they sound?

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: they don't understand, but that doesn't keep them from creating dangerous prescedent.. it's not THIS one per se, but all the shit that will come after it as a result.

[20:04:44]

TSCHAKWerk:

I see much bigger problems ahead because of really lobbied lawmaking.

[20:04:58]

Kevorkian:

they must create documents that they would have never created .. discovery is ment to be a way to get information from the respondants .. not force them to do your work for you ..

[20:05:49]

Esotericisms:

mythbackend would be the only thing and it isn't recording

[20:05:52]

TSCHAKWerk:

Kevorkian: and yes, there are even bigger problems dealing with Torrentspy.. this unfairly tilts the tables...and doing that in any direction is bad.

[20:05:56]

Kevorkian:

torentspy did not do any loging as a course of its regular bussness .. the court has ruled that they .. MUST

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Kevorkian:

and all because of a discovery order.

[20:06:35]

TSCHAKWerk:

yes

[20:06:37]

Kevorkian:

which is so very very very wrong

[20:06:46]

TSCHAKWerk:

discovery is going to be twisted into

[20:06:49]

TSCHAKWerk:

....

[20:06:52]

laga:

TSCHAKWerk: nice :)

[20:06:53]

TSCHAKWerk:

coersion.

[20:07:07]

Kevorkian:

more like .. making them do your work for you.

[20:07:11]

TSCHAKWerk:

yes

[20:07:23]

mkrufky:

is torrentspy the only one?

[20:07:32]

TSCHAKWerk:

our very legal system is being distorted

[20:07:40]

Kevorkian:

people uses TS because they did not log.

[20:07:44]

TSCHAKWerk:

and is no longer protecting the common man.

[20:07:45]

Kevorkian:

that was a marketing point

[20:07:56]

Kevorkian:

now they are removing that as a selling pont

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TSCHAKWerk:

shit like this, is grounds for a bloody revolution.

[20:08:18]

Kevorkian:

the legal system was NEVER ment to protect the common man ..

[20:08:27]

Kevorkian:

it is ment to give lawyers work

[20:08:30]

Esotericisms:

create mythbackend is crashing on my now

[20:08:33]

Esotericisms:

any ideas?

[20:08:40]

Kevorkian:

and because the laws are writen by lawyers .. it will never change

[20:09:00]

Kevorkian:

Esotericisms, this is a new install .. right ?

[20:09:05]

Esotericisms:

yes

[20:09:11]

TSCHAKWerk:

i really need to stop talking about this

[20:09:15]

** Kevorkian hands Esotericisms a knoppmyth cd. **

[20:09:25]

TSCHAKWerk:

it's slowly giving me a premature heart attack.

[20:09:26]

Esotericisms:

HandleRemoteEncoder(cmd GET_STATE) Unknown encorder: 2, exiting

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Esotericisms:

I am sorry I am not starting all the way over

[20:10:17]

Kevorkian:

you changed 90% of your hardware .. might as well go for the new install ..

[20:10:28]

TSCHAKWerk:

ok guys am out.. see you all at home

[20:10:42]

Kevorkian:

perhaps you could have saved the DB and /myth .. but everything else .. no reason not to renstall

[20:10:58]

TSCHAKWerk:

for all this talk about revolting, I might be nabbed on the way home. :-P

[20:11:00]

Esotericisms:

I did save the database

[20:11:18]

Esotericisms:

Kevorkian, It is a new install

[20:11:31]

Esotericisms:

but I have spent the last 24 hours upgrading, installing and such

[20:11:51]

Esotericisms:

I backed up my database and restored it ... mythtv-setup upgraded the schema to the latest

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Esotericisms:

Kevorkian, mythfrontend says Tuner1 is unavailable

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Esotericisms:

but there is nothing using it as far as I can tell

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Kevorkian:

thats what I was wondering about .. the "as far as I can tell"

[20:17:48]

Kevorkian:

exactly what have you looked at to tell you nothing is using it

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niter3_:

MikeyMan: no prob man

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Kevorkian:

also .. its not the frontend that uses the tuner .. its the backend

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Esotericisms:

well mythtv would be the only thing on this machine that could be using it

[20:18:51]

Esotericisms:

Kevorkian, I know it isn't the frontend that uses it, the frontend is telling me it is unavaible ...

[20:19:06]

Kevorkian:

in the status screens .. does it say that its recording ?

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Blaksmith:

hey all... weird issue.. gentoo, installed mythtv-weather, and it just shows Weather(obj) as it's values

[20:19:54]

Esotericisms:

no it is not recoding

[20:19:56]

Esotericisms:

recording

[20:20:03]

Blaksmith:

the satellite pic of my area is correct though

[20:20:05]

RockHound:

xris: anyhow, is that fatal error causing the session not to be written?

[20:20:11]

Kevorkian:

yea black .. mythweather is broke in the release

[20:20:12]

jams:

Blaksmith- mythweather is broken

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Blaksmith:

ahh ok. :(

[20:20:27]

Kevorkian:

teh sat pic is from a diffrent website ..

[20:20:29]

Kevorkian:

so it works

[20:20:35]

Kevorkian:

the data is from msnbc

[20:20:39]

Kevorkian:

and they changed stuff

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Blaksmith:

ok... :( Any fixes in the near future?

[20:21:23]

Kevorkian:

its fixed in svn I believe

[20:21:29]

Esotericisms:

Kevorkian, it doesn't say it is recording just that the tuner is unavailable

[20:21:57]

Kevorkian:

have you tryed tebuilding teh connections ?? in mythtv-setup Esotericisms

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Blaksmith:

I can wait for an emerge fix .. it's not a big deal.. was just hoping it wasn't me lol

[20:22:18]

Esotericisms:

Kevorkian, rebuilding?

[20:22:30]

Kevorkian:

yea .. delete the connection and rebuild it

[20:22:56]

Esotericisms:

attempting that now

[20:23:02]

Kevorkian:

something may have changed .. like tunner0 is now tunner1

[20:23:08]

Kevorkian:

things of that nature

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jams:

Esotericisms- if this was a major update you will need to delete the video cards and readd them

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jams:

pretty sure the ivtv api changed on ya

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Esotericisms:

I went from 0.19 to 0.20.1

[20:24:39]

jams:

assuming your using ivtv

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Esotericisms:

ok i deleted all my cards readded them

[20:25:05]

Esotericisms:

and then when to do a channel scan in the mythtv-setup to test and it can't open the device

[20:25:12]

Esotericisms:

I am using ivtv

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Kevorkian:

even before that part Esotericisms

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Esotericisms:

say again?

[20:26:06]

Esotericisms:

do what, before what part?

[20:26:07]

Kevorkian:

I will comply with your request

[20:26:09]

Kevorkian:

even before that part Esotericisms

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Esotericisms:

lol

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Esotericisms:

can you ellaborate please

[20:26:22]

Kevorkian:

:-D

[20:26:35]

Kevorkian:

go through all of mythtv setup again

[20:26:49]

Kevorkian:

rebuilding all your tunners and czrds and connections

[20:26:58]

Kevorkian:

delete em .. and do it again

[20:28:05]

Kevorkian:

I would bet that your issue is that tunner1 should now be tunner0

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Kevorkian:

or perhaps the other way around

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Esotericisms:

probably :)

[20:30:02]

Esotericisms:

unfortunately still cannot open device

[20:30:15]

Esotericisms:

I manually changed it from Tuner 1 to Tuner 0 as well and nothing

[20:30:29]

Kevorkian:

did you delete them all ??

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Esotericisms:

yes I deleted them all

[20:30:48]

Esotericisms:

I even double checked by select * from capturecard;

[20:30:50]

Esotericisms:

and it was empty

[20:30:56]

Esotericisms:

deleted all video sources as well

[20:31:18]

Kevorkian:

can you point mplayer at the /dev entry and get any video ?

[20:32:06]

Esotericisms:

I will try

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Esotericisms:

yes

[20:33:20]

Esotericisms:

I can

[20:34:10]

Esotericisms:

GreyFoxx, do you have to have lircd installed to get the ati_remote code you have to work?

[20:34:14]

Esotericisms:

Kevorkian, yes I get video

[20:34:28]

Esotericisms:

Kevorkian, /dev/video0

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Esotericisms:

works just fine with mplayer

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_are_:

Hi

[20:37:22]

Kevorkian:

ok that means that the "card" is installed properly .. you just need to get myth to talk to it ..

[20:37:32]

Kevorkian:

its all gona be in mythtv-setup ..

[20:37:37]

Kevorkian:

just go thru the steps ..

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Esotericisms:

I think I know why ...

[20:37:46]

Esotericisms:

I need to reboot it

[20:37:55]

Esotericisms:

I made changes to my modprobe

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Kevorkian:

ummm .. whatever

[20:38:56]

Esotericisms:

I mounted my old hard drive from my last install ... and I found a few lines missing for my capture card

[20:39:44]

Kevorkian:

but .. umm .. mplayed can read from the card

[20:39:48]

Kevorkian:

so it works .. NOW

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Esotericisms:

true

[20:41:06]

Esotericisms:

I am rerunning mythtv-setup

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Esotericisms:

well I have rerun it three times and still it isn't working :(

[20:42:43]

_are_:

can anyone tell me how to see if my mythfrontend has lirc support? e.g. has liblircclient0 or the like to be linked to it?

[20:43:18]

Kevorkian:

you must be doing somethign wrong in the steup then .. if mplayer can read from the dev .. the "card" is installed properly ...

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Esotericisms:

hrm ...

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Esotericisms:

could it be that since I am trying to use my old database cause a problem? even though I have removed all the capturecards from the table?

[20:46:11]

_are_:

nm, it is linked in

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Kevorkian:

did you remove them by hand ?? or via -setup ?

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Esotericisms:

setup

[20:48:55]

Esotericisms:

Kevorkian, setup

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Kevorkian:

if it was me . I would just spend 20 minutes and install knoppmyth and see if that works .. knowing that everything was clean .. THEN restore the db and mounting the old /myth

[20:51:11]

Esotericisms:

kynopmyth is that quick and stable?>

[20:51:38]

Kevorkian:

pretty much so

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Kevorkian:

and its at least a good starting point.

[20:52:33]

Kevorkian:

happauage card support is very good.

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Esotericisms:

Kevorkian, running through setup again

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jams:

GreyFoxx you around?

[21:06:44]

Esotericisms:

OMFG i found my stupid problem

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** Esotericisms hides in the corner **

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jams:

or maybe some other solaris admin guy

[21:07:15]

Esotericisms:

GreyFoxx, is working at his "day" job. :P lol

[21:07:37]

jams:

yeah i have a "day" job question for him

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Esotericisms:

lol

[21:08:22]

Esotericisms:

I have a little bit experience with solaris, not a whole lot

[21:08:22]

Esotericisms:

though

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jams:

i'm looking for a way to setup a static reverse dns lookup

[21:11:01]

Esotericisms:

my niveus remote is pressing every button twice! ..

[21:11:03]

jams:

/etc/hosts doesn't seem todo

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juski:

jams: I've got a very rudimentary plugin doing something

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juski:

notmuch.. it's the 'hello' plugin from the wiki

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Esotericisms:

get djbdns reverse dns

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juski:

time to go see if I can get some keypresses

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jams:

juski- nice

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jams:

juski, you have a long way to go still

[21:12:47]

juski:

jams: oh I know

[21:13:05]

juski:

still, it's not a bad project to chip away at

[21:13:31]

juski:

and let's face it, myth really needs an easier way to resize the gui

[21:14:10]

Kevorkian:

static reverse lookup ??

[21:14:25]

Kevorkian:

and why does a entry in host not work ?

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jams:

juski- heh just getting away from the spin box would be a huge jump

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Kevorkian:

remember that there really isnt anything as a "revers" lookup .. its simply lookup to the in-addr-arpa domain

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Kevorkian:

so an entry for that in host will be used.

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juski:

hahaha so displaying some text & images onscreen is very very easy

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juski:

maybe I should try& retreive a setting from the db & display it onscreen

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RyeBrye:

juski – onscreen == like an OSD, or onscreen elsewhere?

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juski:

RyeBrye: in a plugin

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RyeBrye:

So just on the plugins screen, not while video is playing back, right?

[21:33:13]

juski:

I'm setting out to do a plugin which will let a user resize the gui in a more user friendly way than is currently done

[21:33:21]

** RyeBrye was thinking it would be cool to write a little OSD plugin that would display little alerts and stuff **

[21:33:24]

RyeBrye:

Oh, that's cool

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juski:

RyeBrye: mythtvosd !

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RyeBrye:

:)

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juski:

it already exists

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juski:

mythtvosd --help for usage info

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RyeBrye:

oh

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RyeBrye:

cool

[21:34:09]

RyeBrye:

Write an RTFM plugin too :)

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juski:

I'd never tried it til today but needed to test my new OSD properly

[21:34:22]

RyeBrye:

That would help me out :)

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juski:

if (noob) { yell->slot(RTFM!) } or whatever

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juski:

no I dunno wth kind of code that was sposed to be either, before anybody says something

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RyeBrye:

I was thinking it would be cool to have it check RSS feeds and display certain headlines on screen if the headline or article summary matched a given regular expression or something

[21:35:44]

RyeBrye:

Oh, btw, are slots just a QT thing, or am I really that rust on C++?

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juski:

RyeBrye: don't ask me yet

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juski:

maybe just a qt thing

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juski:

and I'm not much of a c++ coder either

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juski:

really

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, I thought I knew C++ pretty well until I looked at the MythTV code and saw all the funky QT stuff

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RyeBrye:

I know enough to know that I hate managing my own memory :(

[21:36:39]

Esotericisms:

GreyFoxx, you done with your day job yet?

[21:37:15]

juski:

see GreyFoxx – look what you've made me start :-P

[21:38:55]

RyeBrye:

Does anyone routinely run MythTV through valgrind to make sure it's not leaking anywhere?

[21:39:05]

juski:

RyeBrye: yeah, when leaks are suspected

[21:39:18]

juski:

among other times I spose

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juski:

okay. it now occurs to me I need to return 4 integers from my function& I can't remember how to do that

[21:39:51]

RyeBrye:

a struct, probably

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TSCHAK:

RyeBrye, QT's whole UI ad event model is closer to say... a sort of transmorgrified OPENSTEP model....

[21:40:00]

RyeBrye:

or some other thing that gangs them together

[21:40:07]

juski:

a who? see what you're dealing with now? lol

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RyeBrye:

:)

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juski:

or I could just put them in the main thing. yeah I'll do that

[21:40:42]

RyeBrye:

yeah, that might work to :)

[21:41:18]

RyeBrye:

Just pass pointers?

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juski:

I wrote a function once.. it read a setting from the db, passed it back to the calling thing, and it's still in the main code AFAIK

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Esotericisms:

damn the repeat code thay GreyFoxx put into the driver is acting up ... at least on my remote

[21:42:36]

RyeBrye:

damn the repeat code thay GreyFoxx put into the driver is acting up ... at least on my remote

[21:42:36]

RyeBrye:

damn the repeat code thay GreyFoxx put into the driver is acting up ... at least on my remote

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RyeBrye:

sorry... couldn't resist ;)

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juski:

foot stamping.. it never works does it? ;)

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mikeones:

hello

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mikeones:

I am using mythweb from the svn trunk and love the ffmpeg streaming support!

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mikeones:

any way to get mythweb to stream avi in the same way or is there another project better suited for this task?

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RyeBrye:

you could transcode the avi to an mpeg

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RyeBrye:

:)

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mikeones:

:(

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juski:

now my brain hurts. I got the settings out & put them into integers.. great. putting them onscreen.. oof

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** Kevorkian hands juski a beer **

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juski:

cheers Kevorkian :)

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juski:

I think I'm gonna go look for a good c++ & qt book

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jams:

juski- good luck i couldn't find one

[22:04:51]

juski:

no? oh noes!

[22:05:11]

jams:

i honestly found reading the myth code and qt docs to be more helpful then any book

[22:05:25]

Kevorkian:

jams, you fix that reverese dns thing ?

[22:05:30]

jams:

Kevorkian- nope

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juski:

thing is I could whine about not being able to work out what to do til I go blue in the face, but if anybody does this for me I'll learn absolutely nothing. so it's good that whining never works :)

[22:05:47]

Kevorkian:

host entry for in-addr.arpa didnt work ?

[22:06:09]

Dagmar:

Shoe me da zone

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jams:

Kevorkian- got pulled into a conf call. one moment

[22:06:38]

Kevorkian:

reverse the address and add in-addr.arpa .. 192.168.0.1 becomes 1.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa and your all set

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RyeBrye:

Anyone here in california?

[22:10:37]

RyeBrye:

or west coast time?

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juski:

pay my airfare & I can be!

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RyeBrye:

Someone told me that Saturday Night Live airs at the same time across the country – I was just checking to see if that was true

[22:11:13]

RyeBrye:

I can go look at a listings page, but figured I'd check here first

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ubuntuEdgy:

lol

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Kevorkian:

it does RyeBrye

[22:12:22]

RyeBrye:

That's cool. I assumed it would be delayed in CA

[22:12:25]

Kevorkian:

because .. its LIVE

[22:12:32]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, but so is LIVE with Regis and Kelly :)

[22:12:38]

RyeBrye:

but it's not exactly LIVE

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RyeBrye:

nor is American Idol "Live Results Show" (taped earlier)

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** Kevorkian shrugs **

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Kevorkian:

guess you can try tuning into your local NBC station at 9:30 on sat night and find out

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Dagmar:

THings are MUCH happier now that I've got my service firewall doing NTP

[22:14:56]

Dagmar:

Every host on my network syncs to it every hour

[22:15:09]

Dagmar:

...so no nastygrams from ntp server operators for me

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ubuntuEdgy:

juski, is it possible to have two icons on the same place. they don't have to be displayed at the same time,

[22:15:50]

ubuntuEdgy:

dose that make sense.

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Kevorkian:

as in one when its "selected" and one when its "not"

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ubuntuEdgy:

every time i try this every thing stops working (all the icons disappear)

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ubuntuEdgy:

yes Kevrokrian

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Dagmar:

THat's messed up

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Dagmar:

It shoudln't really car

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Dagmar:

ubuntuEdgy: Before I get ahead of myself here, you're talkikng about theme design, right?

[22:17:12]

ubuntuEdgy:

yeh it really confused me

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ubuntuEdgy:

yes

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Dagmar:

Okay. Have you got a copy of Mepo-wide?

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ubuntuEdgy:

yes

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Dagmar:

He has some stuff in there to define elements as being on different layers

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ubuntuEdgy:

great i will have a look at that,

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Dagmar:

Kinda clone what he's done there, and put two icons side by side but not overlapping yet, on different layers

[22:18:22]

Dagmar:

IF that works, then you haven't acidentally screwed up a syntax issue

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Dagmar:

THen move them so that *one pixel width* overlaps

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Dagmar:

The engine code is VERY sensitive to even the tiniest fuckup

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Dagmar:

...which makes it hard sometimes to see if you are looking at a bug, or if you've just screwed up in some minor way

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ubuntuEdgy:

i have also messed up the icons on gimp trying to compensate for the issue, :-/

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juski:

yeah even comments you dont close properly, like  another comment -->

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Dagmar:

Oh how I love vim's syntax highlighting for avoiding that

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Dagmar:

Messed up the icons on gimp?

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ubuntuEdgy:

dogmar do you programme ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

yes GIMP

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: have you seen the revamped themes of mine? I've raised the bar somewhat :-P

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Dagmar:

I'm just trying to figure out how you break the icons in gimp

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ubuntuEdgy:

thats great juski, i have seen the progectgraham. its really good now

[22:21:40]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I code a bunjch of languages

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juski:

Dagmar: I think he means he's broken the theme icons in GIMP

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ubuntuEdgy:

could you do "animations for themes on mythtv

[22:22:03]

Dagmar:

See that I really dont' grok

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: and blootube-wide, blootubelite-wide, projectgrayhem-OSD

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jams:

juski- you almost caught up with syth ;)

[22:22:26]

juski:

jams: yeah, and I'm not even a pro-designer ;)

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Dagmar:

ubuntuEdgy: I could, but it's not much worth it

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ubuntuEdgy:

really

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Dagmar:

You can see how to do it from looking at Mepo but there is some *ugly* page-flipping stuff going on

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jams:

i think you might has passed it in some areas.

[22:23:14]

Dagmar:

Depending on where the elements are, you'll see nasty flickering when menus fade out

[22:23:24]

jams:

maybe completely i will have to try out the new pg

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Dagmar:

I found another bug in 0.20-fixes that I can replicate

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ubuntuEdgy:

Dagmar i was thinking more complex animations , fade, slide zoom blah blah

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Dagmar:

...and of course it has to do with the preview window when watching TV

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Dagmar:

ubuntuEdgy: Oh I am not going *near* that stuff

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: I was having a look at mythmenustack.cpp or something earlier

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Dagmar:

I am spoiled from doing it "the right way"

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juski:

mythscreenstack.cpp that was it

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ubuntuEdgy:

any thing good juski ?

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juski:

I can't get a handle on exactly what it's doing yet

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Dagmar:

Most everything else uses a discrete event handler and one big timer thing to trigger changes in the screen

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Dagmar:

...except Myth

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ubuntuEdgy:

just copy some of the code from xbmc

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Dagmar:

...and the not-quite-that but simpler way to do it would be to put Qt's graphics canvas to work, which I think would result in a total rewrite of the engine

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Dagmar:

It just ain't that simple

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: xbmc is written in .net ffs

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juski:

or something equally nasty

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ubuntuEdgy:

i get it now :-/

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ubuntuEdgy:

any way bk to work

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juski:

and they call microsoft's directx libraries

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Dagmar:

Yeah, if we used DirectX it would be easy

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Dagmar:

...and then I could go eat a bunch of thumbtacks and set myself on fire.

[22:27:30]

juski:

hell if mediaportal's ui code was any good we could pinch from that

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juski:

but it ain't

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juski:

and then there's whatever the hell Elisa uses

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jams:

pygame is believe

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jams:

which is sdl

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juski:

python has legions of naysayers

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juski:

let's see what this elisa thing is really like then.. here we go on a non-rtfm excursion into the unknown

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jams:

i like python

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jams:

i doin't like sdl

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juski:

46MB of dependencies. whoah

[22:34:28]

jams:

when i tried elisa about a year ago, it didn't do much. I hope it's vastly improved

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juski:

and they say myth is bloated

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juski:

still installing.. sheesh

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juski:

mmm crashy

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jams:

i was more impressed by rage, although it's also lacking

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juski:

long time since I had to use kill -9

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juski:

roflmao!

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juski:

hey, it finds my backends & lets me browse recordings & stuff, but won't let me play any mpeg2 – I have to BUY plugins! FFS! they can go stuff some rotten vegetable matter where the sun doesn't shine. that's not cheeky. oh no. that's WAY beyond cheeky. EVIL feckers

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

brew some beer up their butts?

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juski:

hmm I wonder how this will sit with Ubunut media center's open source ethic

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juski:

it's gonna go to hell in a hand-cart, and I wish them a slow lingering descent into non-existence

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juski:

and I made it lock. again! sorry guys – must try harder!

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juski:

so "what about Elisa".. I say "yeah? WHAT ABOUT IT?"

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juski:

muhhh but the UI is all animation-y-fied. yeah? it won't even play a goddamn mpeg2 file

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juski:

I should fire off a 'usability report' like some folks have done in the past with mythtv ;)

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hads:

juski: You know the tar compressions type flag isn't usually needed? :)

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juski:

btw incase you're wondering how I found the music player part of it.. I didn't. have to pay for mp3 plugins too. pity because AFAIK liblame isn't illegal where I live

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juski:

hads: huh?

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juski:

oh tar -xvjpf foo

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Dagmar:

Whether or not lame is "illegal" anywhere is still pretty up in the air

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juski:

so as long as the sun's shining, let's make hay

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Dagmar:

-p isn't needed

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juski:

it's just habit, that bit honestly

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hads:

juski: Yeah, you can just to tar xvf (without the j or z or whatever) and tar will figure it out for you :)

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Dagmar:

I dunno about that

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Dagmar:

I've never seen it guess it's way through the compression format, but they might have patched it

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hads:

Then try it

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Dagmar:

There's not much point yet

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Dagmar:

When I built the dbs engine the targets I was building for used two different versions of tar... one that needed -j and one that needed -i for bzip2

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hads:

juski: No particular reason, I just always think of that when I see the instructions on your site :)

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Dagmar:

...so I wound u0p digging throught the manpage until I found the --use-compressor= option

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juski:

someone read the instructions?

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** juski faints **

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Dagmar:

The *smart* people read documentation and instructions

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Dagmar:

THa's generally *why* they're the smart people

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Dagmar:

I try to say that as many times as possible when I'm doing lectures.

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Dagmar:

Sometimes people even listen

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juski:

woo 59% of users accessing my pages (or their browser) reports they use linux

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Dagmar:

How many of them usign Windows are brave enough to use Safari yet. ;)

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juski:

no idea

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Dagmar:

Hey have you mentioned the languages thing to xris yet?

[23:06:50]

Dagmar:

I just don't know PHP well enough to be able to fix it

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juski:

did I say I was gonna?

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Anduin:

Wow, several pages and no juski links, now it is too hard to contribute the the non-linux stats.

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Dagmar:

I dunno, I just figured you would

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juski:

I was a bit busy :)

[23:09:16]

Dagmar:

I consider it an "interesting" bug, since it's happening when unforseen (but not entirely unreasonable) circumstances happen

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hads:

Dagmar: http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/tar.html#Compression

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Dagmar:

hads: Target #1 for me, Slack 9, which has 1.13.25... #2 is Slack 10.2 which has 1.15.1. #3 is 11.0 which uses 1.16

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Dagmar:

All of which use different mechanisms. :/

[23:11:20]

Dagmar:

I'm very familiar with the differences. I just have to use one that will work on them all still

[23:11:41]

Dagmar:

...and I can't unify 'em without breaking the hell out of pkgtool

[23:11:50]

Dagmar:

I'm gonna get rid of the last traces of 9.1 soon tho

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Dagmar:

THat's my service firewall and over 90% fo the packages on it have been rebuilt by me at this point

[23:12:31]

Dagmar:

Every little freaking tweak known to man is on that one, and basically, it's nowhere near really compatible with Slackware 9.1 anymore

[23:12:44]

hads:

Yeah, I realise there are different tars I just wanted to point out the bit about GNU tar guessing the compression automatically.

[23:12:46]

Dagmar:

The only thing that's not in there is a complete deploy of selinux

[23:13:04]

Dagmar:

Yeah that's a new thing to 1.17, maybe it went in in 1.16 but I didn't check it

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hads:

Really? I've been using it like that for years IIRC

[23:13:52]

hads:

*shurg* It's not something I pay attentino to really.

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hads:

Ug. My typing is terrible.

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Dagmar:

Well, considering my main interaction with it is through a script, I can't let it "guess"

[23:14:33]

Dagmar:

It would make the output change and then I'

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Dagmar:

...I'd be generally unable to get the info from it I need

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Dagmar:

I suppose I could reimplement tar in bash script, but then we're back to thumbtacks and gasoline

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hads:

Dagmar: Actually that behaviour was in 1.15

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Dagmar:

If I haven't made this clear already, I *seldom* build anything manually anymore

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Esotericisms:

GreyFoxx, you around

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Dagmar:

There's also the small problem of this engine works on Solaris, too

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hads:

Yeah, like I said, GNU tar.

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Dagmar:

I am kinda aiming for the lowest common denominator because occasionally I wind up doing a contract gig where I have to cook up a ton of custom packages

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