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Thursday, June 14th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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pat_:

is there much advantage in upgrading my 0.20-fixes system from rev 12674 to 13665 (current)

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pat_:

(still keeping it 0.20-fixes of course)

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tank-man:

how do you find out the rev version?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mythfrontend --version will show you...

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J-e-f-f-A:

pat_ – updating to SVN 13665 will replace your 0.20-fixes ...

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J-e-f-f-A:

tank-man ^^^ see 2 lines above

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tank-man:

:) yea i saw

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pat_:

J-e-f-f-A: you can check out a revision of 0.20-fixes with that version

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Zider:

does anyone know of a good guide for netbooting?

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juski:

Zider: I've used a few – first page of hits on google or so

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juski:

the key to netbooting is getting your dhcp server to hand out fixed IP addresses to given MAC ids IME

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Zider:

well it already does that

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Zider:

so I guess I'm halfway home ;)

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juski:

then you need a tftp server to feed your motherboard a PXE image

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juski:

and a kernel which has the network driver built in!

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Zider:

I was planning on using NFS

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juski:

it's one thing having the right PXE image, if your kernel doesn't have a built in network driver you're screwd

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juski:

Zider: you need tftp

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Zider:

tftp in the kernel?

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juski:

unless you plan to put the bootloader on some kind of storage on the box

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juski:

right.. bios comes up.. grabs an IP addy from your dhcp server

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juski:

then it grabs a pxe bootloader from the tftp server

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juski:

that loads the kernel, also grabbed from the tftp server IIRC, then you can boot & mount the nfs share(s)

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juski:

so you need dhcp, tftp & nfs running on the server

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Zider:

but the client kernel only needs NFS support? (apart from the regular stuff)

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juski:

it needs NFS support and network drivers (duh)

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Zider:

well yeah :)

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juski:

the driver has to be built in. can't be a module

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Zider:

yeah, but first I thought you meant I needed tftp in the client kernel

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Zider:

I was just confused that's all :)

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juski:

if you want to use wireless then you *have* to use a bootloader stored on a local drive

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Zider:

nah it's wired

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juski:

right I'm officially sick & tired of uploading tarballs to my file server now

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juski:

need an SVN server somewhere

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onewheelskyward:

Would setting myth's log setting to ALL cause mythcommflag to peg my aging CPU?

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juski:

onewheelskyward: it might do more harm than good, sure

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TSCHAK:

juski, git might be an option

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onewheelskyward:

juski: That's what I figured.

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juski:

TSCHAK: might just wait til my themes are checked in

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wastrel:

i'm waiting for my new hardware so i can install myth

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wastrel:

hi

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Zider:

juski: woo, I got it to boot the kernel via tftp :D

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Zider:

juski: now to see if it wanna boot off its old hard drive ;)

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kash:

i broke my ps2linux disc :(

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kash:

now it can't run my frontend anymore

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** kash is sad **

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dwbell:

I'm ssh'ing into my myth backend and running "./myth.rebuilddatabase.pl --dbhost localhost --norename --ext avi --dir /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/"

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dwbell:

it finds an avi file I've placed there and let's me enter info but then gives the following:

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dwbell:

DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'storagegroup' in 'field list' at ./myth.rebuilddatabase.pl line 409, <STDIN> line 7.

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dwbell:

Could not execute (insert into recorded (chanid, starttime, endtime, title, subtitle, description, hostname, basename, progstart, progend, storagegroup) values ((?), (?), (?), (?), (?), (?), (?), (?), (?), (?), (?)))

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dwbell:

Anyone have a clue what may be wrong?

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juski:

looks like you need a version of the script from the 0.20-fixes branch rather than head

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wastrel:

well it seems your database schema is goofy?

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juski:

head/trunk

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wastrel:

okey

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dwbell:

juski: Ok, I've been playing with myth for 2 days total now. Would you be kind enough to give me a point toward the 0.20-fixes?

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juski:

where did you get that script from?

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juski:

and what is the output of mythbackend --version ?

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juski:

if I'm right in my assumption that you are running the version of mythtv considered to be 'stable' i.e. 0.20-fixes – this is the script you need: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/export/13665/branc . . . ddatabase.pl

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dwbell:

I don't remember where I found the script, saw it mentioned at the lnux.conf.au website and found somewhere to wget

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dwbell:

Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3

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juski:

the script you got refers to storage groups, which isn't a feature in the version of mythtv you've got

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juski:

so you need a script for the version of mythtv you have.. the link I just posted :)

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dwbell:

thanks, googled and came up with this:http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds would I be wise to add it as a source for ubuntu fiesty?

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juski:

no

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dwbell:

unstable?

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juski:

unwise

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juski:

rather than change the version of mythtv you're using, just download the right script for the version you've got http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/export/13665/branc . . . ddatabase.pl

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dwbell:

just downloaded.

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dwbell:

juski: Awesome! Worked Perfectly. Thanks

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Zider:

hum, it doesn't seem to wanna mount the root file system..

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juski:

Zider: nfs in the kernel?

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Zider:

yes

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Zider:

unable to mount root device "nfs" on unknown-block(0,256)

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Zider:

cannot open, even

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juski:

Zider: must have parameter syntax wrong somehow

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juski:

wrong kernel option maybe

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Zider:

hmm

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Zider:

APPEND ip=dhcp root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=192.168.1.1:/var/tftp/mythbox

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Zider:

that's the dir where the old system drive is mounted

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juski:

looks ok

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juski:

is it exported? ;)

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Zider:

yes :P

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juski:

did you restart nfs after chnging /etc/exports?

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juski:

sorry for teaching gran to suck eggs suggestions but it's easy to forget sometimes ;)

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Zider:

I even rebooted (connected the harddrive)

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Zider:

and I've run exportfs -arv a couple of times now ;)

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Zider:

d'oh!

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Zider:

juski: please slap me silly :P

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juski:

!trout Zider silly

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** MythLogBot slaps Zider with a silly trout on behalf of juski... **

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Zider:

thank you

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juski:

something easy?

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Zider:

NFS was as module after all, I had been looking i nthe wrong kernel config :P

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Zider:

<<-- f*cking retard :P

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wastrel:

module

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pike_:

myth gui isnt ideal for mouse keyboard layout.. though i imagine nice for remote

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wastrel:

i've always hated that trout macro

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juski:

myth isn't designed for mouse operation full stop

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wastrel:

tho i think the mirc one is large not silly

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juski:

that's why it doesn't look like a desktop app!

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pike_:

i think ill just script somthing like a ruby gtk2 front end. slick and simple

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juski:

pfft. gtk

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juski:

good luck reading that from your sofa :-P

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juski:

people go to all the trouble of spending weeks developing great ui themes & that's the thanks we get? ah well

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pike_:

i dont need a sofa. i only need to get up from desk for food and female attention now :)

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wastrel:

desk

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wastrel:

my co-workers think myth is too hard to set up and don't think i'll get it running

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pike_:

youll get it but im starting to think it might be better to have a dedicated backend box

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wastrel:

i'm doing a single dedicated myth box

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dwbell:

wastrel: you'll get it going, I had my hardware built, installed ubuntu, installed mythtv, setup backend (at least the basics) and got the remote working in an afternoon.

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dwbell:

learning how to use it well takes a lot longer...

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wastrel:

i just want to replace my now defunct replay

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wastrel:

and i want my girlfriend to be able to use the interface

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wastrel:

(not too confusing/difficult)

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Kevorkian:

so buy a tivo

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dwbell:

my wife and young kids are able to change channels, find recorded programs to watch etc after day 1. (yesterday)

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wastrel:

punk rock

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wastrel:

hrm what about scheduling and channel guide :]

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dwbell:

My wife is getting it, but it's a foreign concept as we didn't even have a tv a year ago. The kids are 6 and 4 so I don't even want to show that type of thing.

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wastrel:

ah we've had a replay dvr for several years

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mkrufky:

mythbackend randomly crashes on my sometimes during recordings :-( .... here is my log: http://rafb.net/p/2rKvhI73.html — It was a 2 hour show, started at 20:00 , but it only recorded 47 minutes. when i got home the server was hardlocked :'(

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Zider:

juski: would tftp have to be restarted for a new bzImage to take effect, or is it re-read each time the client netboots?

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mkrufky:

i'll try to stick around for a bit... if anybody has a suggestion or wants to know more info, please ping me

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Kevorkian:

mkrufky, MythTv is telling you that it feels you should not be watching "so you think you can dance"

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mkrufky:

yeah, tell that to the girlfriend

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mkrufky:

im in trouble now with her

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juski:

Zider: read at boot time :)

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wastrel:

you'll have to download the torrent

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mkrufky:

i promised her it would be recorded, and that we didnt have to rush home

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Kevorkian:

has the words "we should have bought a tivo" been used yet ?

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Zider:

juski: then it's still something else :P

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wastrel:

hah Kevorkian i'm expecting to hear that

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mkrufky:

yeah — you know thats the worst thing she could say about it

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mkrufky:

but what _really_ confuses me is that the last message before the crash in the log is at exactly 20:00, when the recording begins

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mkrufky:

the first message after that. at 22:06 is after i rebooted the server

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mkrufky:

but i know it didnt crash until 22:47 (or later) because the recording i have here is 47 min long

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Kevorkian:

before the c rash in the log at 20:00 ?? I dun see that in what you pastebined

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mkrufky:

the last message before the crash is:

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mkrufky:

2007-06–13 20:00:50.446 adding: plateau as a client (events: 1)

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mkrufky:

the next message is:

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mkrufky:

oops, that was wrong, sorry

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Kevorkian:

them mpeg thigs do not mean crash

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mkrufky:

yeah i know...

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mkrufky:

the last message before the crash was:

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mkrufky:

2007-06–13 20:00:50.830 AFD: Opened codec 0x864b6c0, id(AC3) type(Audio)

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mkrufky:

and the next message was:

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mkrufky:

2007-06–13 22:06:46.474 Using runtime prefix = /usr

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mkrufky:

you see? lines 31–32 on the pastbin

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Kevorkian:

yea .. but that still doesnt mean "broken"

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mkrufky:

thats the point!

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Zider:

juski: yay, I found something :D

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Kevorkian:

strange .. but not broke

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mkrufky:

i am saying... the logs reflect that the recording began at 20:00

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mkrufky:

and the server was hardlocked when i got home

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mkrufky:

hardlocked == frozen

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Kevorkian:

nothing in here is jumping out at me and screaming .. THIS IS WHAT HAPPNED.

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mkrufky:

not pingable

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mkrufky:

yeah,. exactly... thats what puzzles me so much

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Kevorkian:

anythign in syslog ?

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mkrufky:

the logs look like i hit the power/reset button in the middle of the recording

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Kevorkian:

dmesg ??

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mkrufky:

the last message in syslog is:

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Zider:

juski: I needed "network autoconfiguration" and then "root filesystem on nfs" :P

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mkrufky:

Jun 13 20:43:52 plateau ntpd[2909]: synchronized to 66.187.233.4, stratum 1

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mkrufky:

Jun 13 22:06:20 plateau syslogd 1.4.1: restart.

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mkrufky:

so far, nothing is telling us anything

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Kevorkian:

Hmmm .. how much was the time sync ??

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mkrufky:

i think we have a misunderstanding :-)

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mkrufky:

it's always been synced

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mkrufky:

the machine itself froze

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Kevorkian:

no nono ..

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Kevorkian:

ntpd

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mkrufky:

it froze at 22:47, and nothing was logged

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mkrufky:

i have the feeling that its a kernel problem, then we all can point fingers at yours truly

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Kevorkian:

syncs your machines clock .. graspng at straws here .. if it had to change the time by more then a few seconds or so .. some things dont like it when you do that.

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mkrufky:

hmmm

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Kevorkian:

20:43 is close to 20:47 when it 'stoped'

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[R]:

my master backend has to have 127.0.0.1 for the ip of itself... i'm trying to use a remote frontend and to try to trick it into working... i'm using DNAT to nat 127.0.0.1:6543 to the master backend box... but it just sits there saying "connecting to backend" and i got no errors on the frontend and i got no video... any ideas?

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mkrufky:

ok, but if i look earlier in syslog, it looks like i do an ntpo sync every 45 minutes all day long

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mkrufky:

and my backend doesnt ALWAYS crash

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mkrufky:

(it only crashed when my girlfriend wants to kill me)

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** Kevorkian shrugs **

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mkrufky:

you should have seen what she did when it crashed during the LOST finale

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Kevorkian:

just saying that it happned close to the crash.

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mkrufky:

(luckily we were watching it live

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J-e-f-f-A:

[R]: Yeah, re-configure your backend to use the real nic IP. Then both the backend and the frontend will be happy.

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Kevorkian:

like how when something breaks . its usualy something that happned right before it breaks that caused it to break.

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mkrufky:

yeah, i hear ya

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mkrufky:

i could turn off ntpd, but i really doubt thats the cause

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Kevorkian:

so do I ..

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mkrufky:

gosh, i think i know

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[R]:

J-e-f-f-A: didnt i just say it has to be 127.0.0.1? its a wireless nic and it likes to crash alot so the ip isn't always valid

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mkrufky:

i had a torrent downloading on the same box

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mkrufky:

damnit!@$#^

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Kevorkian:

[R], didnt J-e-f-f-A just say thats what you need to do to make it work ??

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[R]:

but tahts not an option

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mkrufky:

i think i should move my bittorrent service to a different machine....

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J-e-f-f-A:

[R]: Why not just assign it a real static ip?

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[R]:

J-e-f-f-A: assign what?

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[R]:

its the driver that crashes

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Kevorkian:

[R], in order for it to listen to a non local connection .. thats what needs to happen

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[R]:

its listening on * tho

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Kevorkian:

its not the listening part .. its the talking to part ..

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mkrufky:

Kevorkian: ok, well thanks for helping me analyze

[02:39:08]

Kevorkian:

no prob mkrufky

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mkrufky:

i'll probably be around again tomorrow

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mkrufky:

have a good night all

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[R]:

hrm

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[R]:

a proxy maybe

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J-e-f-f-A:

[R]: Why wireless?

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[R]:

because i can't drop an ethernet where the box is

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Zider:

get another driver, or another wireless card?

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J-e-f-f-A:

[R]: So your backend has no other net connectivity?

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[R]:

J-e-f-f-A: nope

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J-e-f-f-A:

[R]: IMHO – I'd buy a 'wireless gaming adapter' and setup the pc's normal network with a static ip. No kernel drivers to mess with or crash... but that's just my opinion...

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** J-e-f-f-A tried wireless with Myth when he first started out... But quickly wired his house with cat5e... ;-) **

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[R]:

ah screw it

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[R]:

it works with ssh tunneling

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[R]:

i'll just use that

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J-e-f-f-A:

[R]: ssh + wireless + myth streaming? I hope your cpus are fast...

[02:46:39]

[R]:

it works

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Zider:

J-e-f-f-A: only cat5? ;)

[02:47:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

Zider: You missed the 'e'... ;-)

[02:47:56]

Zider:

J-e-f-f-A: no I saw it.. ;)

[02:48:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

Well, it's good for Gigabit... ;-) and I got 500' free... ;-)

[02:49:21]

Zider:

'? that's feet, right?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah.

[02:49:38]

Zider:

what's that in normal measurements? ;)

[02:49:42]

Zider:

(meters)

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehe... Probably about 1200 meters... (i think...)

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** J-e-f-f-A googles for a measurement translation... **

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Zider:

damn..

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[R]:

i need somethign that'll do a tunnel w/o the overhead of the encryuption ssh does

[02:51:28]

Zider:

can't ssh run unencrypted?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Zider: oops.. wrong way...

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[R]:

not that i've ever heard of

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J-e-f-f-A:

Zider: 50' = 15.24 meters... so 500' = 152.4 meters... oops. ;-)

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Zider:

ah

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J-e-f-f-A:

Zider: I remember in Grade school they taught us the "Metric System" – which was to be the future measurement system... But alas... 30 years later, we're still using "Imperial" measurements for 90% of everything... ;-) Miles, Yards, Feet, Inches, Gallons, Quarts, Pints, etc... ;-)

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planktonboy:

hi guys

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Zider:

J-e-f-f-A: you poor sods.. ;)

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planktonboy:

if I want to build a mythfrontend only from svn what would the ./configure options be....there doesnt seem to be a --disable-backend option

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J-e-f-f-A:

Zider: I remember going to Mexico for a day after my graduation, and getting on the highway and seeing the speed limit sign — 80... I wondered why I was passing everybody until I realized it was Kilometers... My speedo only had Miles Per Hour... ;-)

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Zider:

J-e-f-f-A: haha

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J-e-f-f-A:

planktonboy: I think you have to build both – at least for now...

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Sedorox:

how do I clear the channel listing? all my channels are double due to moving from one zip to another. and I want to clear it all and just get the new...

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planktonboy:

J-e-f-f-A ok

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planktonboy:

thanks

[02:57:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

planktonboy: You just won't use the backend on that box..

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planktonboy:

I guess that will do and just not to run mythsetup

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planktonboy:

yup

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planktonboy:

ok

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planktonboy:

thanksmate

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J-e-f-f-A:

planktonboy: (I knew that because I asked the same question about a month ago... ;-) ) No problemo...

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planktonboy:

cool

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planktonboy:

:)

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planktonboy:

while I think about it, are there any plugins you can think of that would be handy on a frontend only machine

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planktonboy:

I guess one could have mythmusic or mythvideo etc, but there doesnt seem to be much point if its on a laptop

[03:02:40]

planktonboy:

as I could just use xmms or vlc for that

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J-e-f-f-A:

planktonboy: mythmusic, mythvideo, mythweather... (although weather don't work for me in the us atm...)

[03:03:22]

planktonboy:

J-e-f-f-A re the weather plugin, I just got that to work today

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** J-e-f-f-A that's what I get for going to the bleeding edge of SVN... ;-) **

[03:03:34]

planktonboy:

used the patch from ticket 3327

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J-e-f-f-A:

planktonboy: Is it in the svn trunk yet?

[03:04:03]

planktonboy:

not yet

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** J-e-f-f-A makes a note of ticket 3327... **

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planktonboy:

there are 2 ways from what I can figure out right now....the patch from ticket 3327 or the mythweather-revamp

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J-e-f-f-A:

planktonboy: Yeah, I tried the revamp, and it didn't seem to like my version of SVN or something... it didn't work and it was really, really late, so I went to bed...

[03:05:40]

planktonboy:

yes me too

[03:06:26]

planktonboy:

it was very patchy and also unless you live in the US it seemed a real hassle to get it to work for other areas

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planktonboy:

but it will be real nice when they get that into trunk

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HaSH:

hello all can anyone help me get pip to work on my pvr-150?

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J-e-f-f-A:

planktonboy: Well, the 2nd part wasn't an issue for me... I got it to patch (at least it didn't complain...), but it didn't install/work like it was supposed to, and I'm not experienced enough yet with Linux and patches, etc, to have fixed it...

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J-e-f-f-A:

HaSH: Do you only have one tuner?

[03:08:10]

HaSH:

yea

[03:08:18]

HaSH:

one pvr-150

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J-e-f-f-A:

HaSH: Well, that's the problem. You need more than one tuner to do PIP.

[03:08:36]

HaSH:

ohhh

[03:08:42]

HaSH:

realy?

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planktonboy:

but if you want the info on how I got the 3327 patch to install let me know and I will be happy to assist

[03:09:21]

HaSH:

how come the need for two?......most tv's have one cable hook up.....as an example

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planktonboy:

J-e-f-f-A yeah...for me the patch is all working fine except no radar map on mythweb

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[R]:

HaSH: and 2 tuners

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J-e-f-f-A:

HaSH: They may have one cable hookup, but two tuners internally. The PVR-500 is an example of that ...

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HaSH:

oh ok got yas

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planktonboy:

but to fix weather page on mythweb is a different ticket

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Zider:

or they are analog tvs ;)

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[R]:

still have 2 tvs

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[R]:

tuners*

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HaSH:

oh another thing is the weather plugin fixed at all?

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planktonboy:

3303 for that

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planktonboy:

HaSH no

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HaSH:

ok thanks for the info guys :-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

planktonboy: Thanks... I've gotta crash, but I've started to look at those and will install them on my system over the next couple of days... (busy, busy, busy...)

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planktonboy:

but there is a patch fix trac ticket 3327 and 3303 or a mythweather-revamp in branches

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planktonboy:

J-e-f-f-A yeah...sure

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planktonboy:

let me know if I can help mate

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J-e-f-f-A:

planktonboy: Thanks! ;-) ttyl...

[03:12:46]

planktonboy:

yup..nite ;0

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planktonboy:

:) even

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planktonboy:

HaSH I have managed to get it working using the patches

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planktonboy:

only thing that I cant get to work is the radar map on the mythweb weather page, but all else working fine

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planktonboy:

later all

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Beirdo:

heya

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quink:

if mythtv rips a perfect copy of a dvd, a vob, can I reencode the VOB somehow later on?

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ShockValue:

my backend seems to crash whenever i do large file transfers to/from the machine.

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ShockValue:

runs for days just dandy, but then i move a 1g file or somethign on to the machine and the backend just quits.. no errors in the lo

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ShockValue:

log

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ShockValue:

any idea what could cause that? or where i might look ?

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hads:

Transfer how?

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ShockValue:

usually via a samba share. ill drag and drop a large video or something from my M$ machine, and all of a sudden my wife is yelling at me the frontend has locked up (its because the backend crashed)

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ShockValue:

my frontend and backend machines are different boxes

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ShockValue:

so: frontend---NFS---Backend---SMB----Windows Machine. High utilization between the windows machine and the backend makes the backend quit with no errors in the log

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ShockValue:

although i see no errors or anything else with the xfer between the 2 machines.

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hads:

No idea sorry, I don't use Samba a lot. It could be a number of things, hardware, network driver, IO driver.

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ShockValue:

sucks that mythbackend.log has no clues :(

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Zider:

maybe samba eats huge amounts of ram making backend dying because it can't get enough? just a guess..

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ShockValue:

hrm, ill run top and watch as i move a file

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ShockValue:

seems smbd maxes out at 3% cpu and 1% mem

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mchou:

Beirdo: you there?

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mchou:

ShockValue: which boxes are you moving the files from and to when the BE goes poof?

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NONELIKESME:

hi all

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NONELIKESME:

i have a question maybe some one could answer it for me

[04:55:01]

NONELIKESME:

anyone using a dreambox + xbox1 xbmc

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pike_:

egads, my mythtv frontend was at 50%+ cpu i enabled opengl and everything dropped to below 1–2%.. is that normal? did it offload something to video card?

[04:58:48]

NONELIKESME:

i wanted to know if i could set a mythtv at a house with SAT and a CABLEMODEM and then access it threw my xbox1 xbmc and be able to change channels – i want to do this due to i cant get sat at my house

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pike_:

NONELIKESME: you want to stream the content across your network or accross the internet?

[05:00:06]

NONELIKESME:

accross the web

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NONELIKESME:

due to i dont have a sat at my house

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pike_:

NONELIKESME: what is your upload bandwidth?

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hads:

You're going to need a big tube

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NONELIKESME:

30/5

[05:00:35]

NONELIKESME:

i have a big tube

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NONELIKESME:

i have unlimited speed

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NONELIKESME:

lol

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pike_:

i use about 20 megs for a raw stream

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NONELIKESME:

so its not possiable ?

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hads:

Sure it is.

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NONELIKESME:

i wish i could access a sat from my apt

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pike_:

vlc using theora output codec is usable on about 40K upload. it aint hd but its OK. if ya got a few megs per sec then you should be able to work something

[05:02:17]

NONELIKESME:

like say i get a dreambox

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hads:

You'll need to figure out how you want to secure the access for a start.

[05:02:30]

NONELIKESME:

i have it set up at my fathers with a sat and 30/5 cablemodem

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Zider:

5mbit upspeed?

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NONELIKESME:

then at my apt i have a cable modem and a xbox1 with xbmc and access the dreambox in his apt

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NONELIKESME:

5 mbps

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NONELIKESME:

upload

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Zider:

sounds like a lot for a cable connection

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NONELIKESME:

sure is

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NONELIKESME:

boost

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NONELIKESME:

fastest cable in the us

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mchou:

NONELIKESME: where is this?

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Zider:

have you tried actual speed beween the two places?

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hads:

:)

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NONELIKESME:

yes the speed will be 500 kbps

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NONELIKESME:

non stop

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NONELIKESME:

its NY

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NONELIKESME:

and i will be using the same provider

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mchou:

NONELIKESME: NYC or state? :)

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Zider:

500 kbyte I assume you mean, and not kbit ;)

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NONELIKESME:

long island

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pike_:

thats doable

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mchou:

lol

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hads:

He didn't ask if you guessed, he asked if you had tried.

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NONELIKESME:

yes my bad

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onewheelskyward:

Has anyone here used mdadm to RAID network shares, instead of physical drives?

[05:05:51]

mchou:

long island has the fastest cable in the US?? I find that hard to believe. Only rednecks out in Suffolk County

[05:05:58]

Zider:

NONELIKESME: what did you use to test the link?

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NONELIKESME:

mchou lol

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NONELIKESME:

your crazy

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NONELIKESME:

i dont live in suffolk

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NONELIKESME:

cablevision is the lead in fiber

[05:06:31]

mchou:

NONELIKESME: no I'm not nassau is just as bad

[05:06:50]

NONELIKESME:

sure nassau sucks but again we have the fastest cable

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mchou:

there is plenty of dark fiber EVERYWHERE

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NONELIKESME:

http://www.optimum.com/order/boost/

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mchou:

fiber aint the gating issue

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mchou:

it's coax

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Zider:

NONELIKESME: hellooo?

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NONELIKESME:

ftp

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mchou:

or more precisely, HFC

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NONELIKESME:

it ranges from 450 to 500 non stop

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Zider:

NONELIKESME: ah, should be stable speed then

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NONELIKESME:

sweet

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mchou:

dude, is that upstream?

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NONELIKESME:

yes up

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NONELIKESME:

30 up

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NONELIKESME:

5 down

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mchou:

lol

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Zider:

NONELIKESME: you said the other way around tho ;)

[05:09:19]

NONELIKESME:

yea i did

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NONELIKESME:

lol

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Zider:

can't say how well that would stream video tho.. :)

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giglife:

i miss my free dishnetwork

[05:10:05]

Zider:

I leave that to the more knowing people

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pike_:

giglife: well i have dish right now. it aint free and i wouldnt miss it much

[05:10:39]

giglife:

pike why u paying lol

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Zider:

I had cablemodem a couple of years ago.. 512k down, 128k up.. ;D

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pike_:

im a good citizen

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giglife:

i just want it for the locals

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mchou:

giglife: I rest my case. rednecks

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pike_:

good drone

[05:11:10]

giglife:

lol

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giglife:

mchou i was not even born in long island

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giglife:

i'm a city boy

[05:11:56]

giglife:

lol

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mchou:

it has nothing w/ being born there

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mchou:

the fact you're out there means you are one by definition :)

[05:13:15]

mchou:

I meet better ppl on the Jersey Shre than Long Island :)

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mchou:

Shore*

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giglife:

wow

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giglife:

i would stick to my rich ass town

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Zider:

you have a rich ass?

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mchou:

rich has nothing to do with redneckedness

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giglife:

my ass is rich of nice black crap

[05:14:30]

mchou:

Long Island is just onestupid drap strip for teeny boppers

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mchou:

drag*

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giglife:

boopers ?

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Zider:

:P

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mchou:

Women on Long Island probaly stiff have "big hair"

[05:15:44]

mchou:

still*

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giglife:

nah thats pa

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mchou:

PA as in Pennsylvania?

[05:17:09]

giglife:

yea

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mchou:

that's news to me

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giglife:

there hair is 80's

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giglife:

crazy 80's

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mchou:

anyways, I still find it hard to believe Long Island has fastest cable in US

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giglife:

yes its crazy

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giglife:

+ fios

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giglife:

50/5

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mchou:

fios, sure, but not cable

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giglife:

wish there was a hack for that

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giglife:

i dont see how hard to belive it is cablevision has mad loot

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giglife:

dishnetwork rents most all there channels from them

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Zider:

giglife: are there other, non-cablemodem connections with higher speeds there?

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giglife:

yes fios is faster

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giglife:

with the 50/5 package

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Zider:

what is fios then?

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giglife:

verizon

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mchou:

Zider: google

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giglife:

http://www22.verizon.com/Content/ConsumerFiOS/

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Zider:

ah

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Zider:

giglife: that's the highest speed?

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Zider:

or rather, fastest conenction

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giglife:

they have faster

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giglife:

its bottle necked

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giglife:

there lines support 100

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giglife:

one of the people i know work for the sip dept

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giglife:

there lines are 100

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Zider:

both ways?

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giglife:

yea

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Zider:

nice

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giglife:

also depeneds on what they need to install in companys

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giglife:

sip phones can run on mad low speed

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Zider:

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giglife:

yea

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giglife:

mad loot

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Zider:

$40 for a lousy 5Mbit :P

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[R]:

can you put a hostname in the spot for master backend server?

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giglife:

he he

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Eclipsor:

question here, I'm building a computer soon and I'm going to get mythtv set up on it

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** Eclipsor thinks of how to word this, it's late... **

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Zider:

giglife: I'm glad I don't live over there, I'd be broke in no time :D

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giglife:

ha thats why its great to have a 5100

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Eclipsor:

how do dorms usually provide cable? do they give a set top box to the room?

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Zider:

giglife: a what?

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[R]:

Eclipsor: like at a college?

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giglife:

pm

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Zider:

Eclipsor: don't they usually just go with analog broadcasts?

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mchou:

Eclipsor: that depends on the school

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Eclipsor:

[R]: yes

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[R]:

Eclipsor: usually analog cable

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Eclipsor:

well I know it's cable, but that's all

[05:26:37]

Eclipsor:

so it'll just be a coax cable?

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[R]:

although i've heard of some people being able to get digital for extra

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giglife:

basic 2 – 13 lol

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giglife:

yippie

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[R]:

we had extended

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[R]:

it was pretty standard

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Zider:

giglife: ew ;)

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Eclipsor:

so I won't need to screw around with IR blaster?

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[R]:

no

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Eclipsor:

ok, good

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Eclipsor:

:)

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[R]:

just a regular analog tuner

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[R]:

but if i learned anything from living in a dorm... the quality sucks alot usually

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Eclipsor:

and the hauppauge PVR500 should fit that task?

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giglife:

night all

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[R]:

its an analog tuner

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[R]:

so sure

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Zider:

giglife: I'll soon get my internet cost down to ~$33 a month :D

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giglife:

thanks for the answer

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Eclipsor:

awesome

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Grecko_:

Hey all. Odd question for ya – how would a non-master backend respond if it was unable to connect to the master backend? Would it refuse to work at all? Or would it continue working>

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cesman:

it wouldn't work

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Grecko:

Would there be any way to make it work? I'd like to use the two tv tuners in my laptop, but about half the time I'm not at home, although I still have the same cable service...

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Eclipsor:

[R]: maybe I was too quick in asking, found a page telling me exactly how the dorms were set up :)

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Zider:

Eclipsor: DOH ;)

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Eclipsor:

:p

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cesman:

Grecko: no way I'm aware of

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Grecko:

What kind of communication happens between backends?

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cesman:

well, maybe

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cesman:

have two mysql.txt

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cesman:

one to use the connected to the master

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cesman:

and one to use as a master

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cesman:

the only issues is programs won't be exchangeble between the two

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Grecko:

Yeah

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cesman:

well, that not true either

[05:32:36]

cesman:

you could export the show and sql for it...

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Grecko:

They would be, but it wouldn't be an automatic process.

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Eclipsor:

now my next question, which I'll probably find if I poke around long enough, but I haven't yet: does the mythtv web frontend have special permissions setups so say I could have a friend get on to record shows they want, but not mess with any crucial settings

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cesman:

Grecko: no, it wouldn't be automagic, but it wouldn't be diffcult either

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Dagmar:

Eclipsor: No.

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Eclipsor:

ok

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[R]:

Eclipsor: not many settings you can mess with really

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Eclipsor:

oh, well that works too

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cesman:

later folks

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Grecko:

Eclipsor: In theory, you should be able to put an .htaccess file into /mythweb/modules/settings that would require a password to get access to it.

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Grecko:

May give you a completely weird page if you don't get the password right though, depending on how the php is coded...

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Eclipsor:

and now likely my final question: after a show is done recording, does mythtv have options to encode it to a different format?

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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Eclipsor:

great

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Eclipsor:

now to get the computer :)

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Grecko:

Someone really needs to come up with a decent X server for windows so I don't have to boot linux to get into my frontend...

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Zider:

there are decent x server(s) for windows.. :P

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[R]:

whats wrong wit hcygwins?

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[R]:

wow... i totally butchered that

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[R]:

i use rxvt in cygwin at work... and i dont even notice an X server running

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[R]:

i wonder how that owrks

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brian-myth:

Hello. Anyone here?

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brian-myth:

I could use some help. TVTime works, but MythTV doesn't.

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[R]:

ok, did you set it up correctly

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[R]:

?

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Eclipsor:

:P

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Dagmar:

Considering the number of people who don't bother to read even one line of documentation before installing MythTV, that is not such a bad question.

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[R]:

considering he hasn't answered...

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Dagmar:

Installing without reading the installation documentation == FAILURE

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RayJones:

Mythweather doesn't work, I can get a satellite picture but no data

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[R]:

yup, it odesn't

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Eclipsor:

I wish all software had installation guides like that one guide for mythtv on fedora

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RayJones:

I have tried two citys so far and both didn't work

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hads:

It's broke

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Eclipsor:

where does it pull from?

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Eclipsor:

weather.com ?

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[R]:

its all over the mailing lists

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[R]:

maybe you should read them

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[R]:

*and the trac

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RayJones:

Oh thanks I have just read it on mythtalk forum

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** Eclipsor wonders if it has anything to do with my bot screwing up pulling from weather.com **

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Eclipsor:

although for me it's just zipcodes not working and select cities

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Gurft:

Hey guys, anyone here have a USB controller recommendation for playing emulators via mythgame

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Gurft:

?

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RayJones:

Myth video is broke too

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hads:

Not that I know of

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RayJones:

When you search imdb on a movie.avi file in mythtv is the plot and director details supposed to come up?

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RayJones:

it gets the poster and year which is great

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brian-myth:

Hello – here's my problem. Got video working, but my video card is older, and to get audio I have to pass it via a cable from the TV line-out to the sound card. The worse news? The soundcard is a Dell proprietary model and has no line in – I had to route it through the microphone to get sound. How can I make sure that I'm listening to MythTV's recording rather than the live audio?

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anykey_:

brian-myth: get a PVR-150

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brian-myth:

Probably sounds like the best course of action.

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brian-myth:

Thanks.

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** ServerSage wonders why people don't hang around longer than to ask a question. **

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mchou:

xris: you there?

[06:52:06]

xris:

no

[06:52:21]

xris:

just bemoaning my dying car

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RayJones:

does the PVR-150 have the decoder?

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mchou:

xris: what happened??

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xris:

oil all drained out

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anykey_:

RayJones: why need a decoder?

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ServerSage:

Never a good thing when the life force drains from your ride.

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mchou:

xris: oil pan leak?

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xris:

mchou: no clue

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RayJones:

no idea lol

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xris:

too dark to see

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achew22:

the most common install of mythweb is in the root of the web directory, correct/

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mchou:

xris: well, dont drive w/o oil :)

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xris:

mchou: yes. I know that much. :)

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mchou:

xris: very bad for the car :)

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RayJones:

what does the decoder and encoder do on a pvr-350 I have one

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xris:

RayJones: encoder is the same as the 250

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xris:

decoder isn't really all that great unless you have a REALLY slow cpu

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Grecko:

21kbit/sec for a decent video using VLC... thats almost usable for streaming over the internet...

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achew22:

xris is there a way to add an exception to the modrewrite rule so that i can use phpmyadmin because it won't load as a module

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RayJones:

so where is the encoder used?

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ServerSage:

RayJones: When it creates the mpg files for Myth. :)

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RayJones:

atm its just collects raw data from the tv-card

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RayJones:

oh ok

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achew22:

RayJones, if you want a cool example of that, use cat on /etc/videoX and pipe it to a file called encoder.mpg and then play it in mplayer

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RayJones:

How do you know its the pvr doing it not the CPU?

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achew22:

that'll also prove that its not the CPU

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ServerSage:

RayJones: The magical pixies told me...

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RayJones:

ah yea ty

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achew22:

ServerSage, they visited you too... CHEATING BASTARDS

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ServerSage:

Also, your CPU would get hammered if the encoder wasn't doing it's job.

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ServerSage:

achew22: They get around.

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achew22:

I feel unclean

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ServerSage:

Might be time to burn your clothes and cry in a hot shower.

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achew22:

how many people do you think are contemplating making a rape joke but not because it would be fau paux?

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Dagmar:

This ain't magic voodoo

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Dagmar:

If the PVR card isn't encoding, the CPU doesn't pick up the slack. You just don't get video.

[07:00:38]

** ServerSage still thinks it's the pixies. **

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achew22:

when in doubt blame pixies.

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achew22:

RayJones, the IVTV (the driver) site has a lot of very cool info (even just on the front page) http://www.ivtvdriver.org/ if you would like to take a look

[07:01:32]

ServerSage:

Damn them and their magical hands! Wait, that sounds wrong...

[07:03:03]

achew22:

RayJones, the card takes the raw data feeds it to a Conexant's CX23415/CX23416 and that outputs a mpg to the bus (as I understand it to work. Please correct me channel if I'm wrong) If the CPU is doing anything it would be to tune the channel.

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Grecko:

Okay, this is odd. If I go to the recorded page in mythweb using a browser, its fine. But if I wget it, its in a different language.

[07:06:20]

Dagmar:

That's becuase the browsers are smarter than you are.

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mchou:

lol

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ServerSage:

Probably the pixies...

[07:06:31]

achew22:

lol

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Grecko:

I'd love to hear the explanation behind that one....

[07:06:44]

mchou:

simple

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Dagmar:

The http agent (i.e., the browser) tells the webserver what language it would like the response in.

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ServerSage:

What is your lang env var set to Grecko?

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Grecko:

LANG=en_US.utf8

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mchou:

probably greek :)

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Grecko:

It appears to be german that I'm getting with wget (ja is yes in german, no?)

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Dagmar:

This is what happens when you use Suse

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Grecko:

Now now! We don't need to insult people!

[07:10:10]

Grecko:

I'm insulted you think I'd use Suse....

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ServerSage:

Grecko: What does your wgetrc have for Accept-Language?

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ServerSage:

Just a long shot.

[07:13:36]

Grecko:

It wasn't set.

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Dagmar:

Some query debugging would certainly turn up that it's requesting German when it gets German

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** ServerSage has the pixies scratch his head. **

[07:14:45]

ServerSage:

Grecko: Have it hit a server you have access to the logs on.

[07:15:06]

Grecko:

I have access to the logs on that server, actually :P

[07:15:22]

ServerSage:

Ouch, pixies just hit me for being stupid.

[07:15:33]

Grecko:

But, setting it fixes it, thanks :)

[07:15:44]

Dagmar:

Nevermind what I was saying earlier

[07:15:52]

Dagmar:

Apparently we just need to beat xris more often

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Grecko:

Just assumed that mythweb would provide the default language that mythfrontend is using...

[07:16:05]

ServerSage:

Grecko: You know what assuming does.

[07:16:26]

Grecko:

ServerSage: Yes, it makes an ass out of you and someone else. I forget who...

[07:16:31]

Grecko:

:P

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ServerSage:

I'm pretty sure me.

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Dagmar:

It *should* be using the default language that the system uses

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Dagmar:

...but for some fscking reason it picks german when no language is explicitly requested

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Grecko:

Lovey

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ServerSage:

my what a lovely bunch of coconuts

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paranoid_:

Big ones, small ones, some as big as your head

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mcquaid:

I've never tried. does myth video support flv?

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Dagmar:

Look at http://www.mythtv.org/

[07:45:14]

Dagmar:

...but the short answer is "no"

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mcquaid:

hmm, according to the wiki it does

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mcquaid:

it says "The Internal player uses ffmpeg so all supported codecs are documented on the ffmpeg project site . Playback decoding is controled by the MythTV TV playback settings"

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mcquaid:

and ffmpeg does support decoding of flv

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Dagmar:

Provided the version you have does flv

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mcquaid:

true

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mcquaid:

well i guess it doesn't hurt to try

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adante:

hm

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adante:

out of curiousity if the internal player uses ffmpeg, why does it seem to be the only player i know of that supports time-warping with audio compensation

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Anduin:

adante: everything isn't done with ffmpeg, that is the sound touch code

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Anduin:

adante: ffmpeg just encodes (maybe) and decodes, actually pushing frames to the display and soundcard are not done by it directly.

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Dagmar:

Ugh. Yet another completely stupid patent: http://www.patentmonkey.com/PM/PatentID/6549242.aspx

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Jimmy89:

hey guys

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Jimmy89:

whats the mythbuntu channel?

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Anduin:

Jimmy89: /list, though I think it is just that with a #

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Anduin:

Jimmy89: seems to be #ubuntu-mythtv

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Jimmy89:

ah ty

[08:20:26]

Jimmy89:

went straight past it in the list

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siXy:

is there any way to retrieve xmltv updates onto my work laptop and apply them to my backend at home that is currently without a net connection?

[08:25:55]

hads:

Not that I'm aware of.

[08:27:22]

hads:

We were discussing the XMLTV cache option the other day which one of the guys was going to implement, you may be able to work around it with that. Maybe.

[08:27:23]

otwin:

siXy: 'mythfilldatabase --file 1 -1 data.xml'

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hads:

Oh. Yeah. Duh.

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hads:

I was thinking of using a grabber directly for some reason.

[08:28:46]

** hads puts his vodka down **

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otwin:

I use it in cronjobs because I have 3 different xmltv grabbers...

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siXy:

ah thanks :) now ii just have to work out how to get the xml in the first place

[08:29:17]

hads:

With the grabber (whichever you are using).

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otwin:

just install the grabbers on your laptop

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otwin:

xmltv thatis probably

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siXy:

thanks people :) lack of broadband at home is now really, really annoying for one less reason :)

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otwin:

they just don't get that for some people it's like cutting electricity, gas and water ;-)

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siXy:

we could go next door for water tbh.. ;)

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planktonboy:

hi all

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juski:

morning planktonboy

[10:06:43]

planktonboy:

morning juski :)

[10:06:49]

planktonboy:

just got up

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planktonboy:

hehe

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laga:

morning

[10:07:42]

planktonboy:

had a bit of a late night laqst night

[10:07:50]

planktonboy:

or should I say early morning

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planktonboy:

6am

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planktonboy:

got stuck trying to install this mythfrontend from svn

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planktonboy:

got it installed but cant get it to connect to the backend on the other machine. I can ping the backend machine, but when I run mythfrontend only machine it says cant connect to mysql batadase

[10:10:25]

planktonboy:

oops

[10:10:30]

planktonboy:

database even :)

[10:10:50]

planktonboy:

LOL, see its still too early

[10:11:04]

** juski went to bed at about 4am **

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juski:

have to stop – back to work next week :(

[10:11:19]

Jimmy89:

hmmm i think im going to try a Ubuntu install and put MythTV on

[10:11:36]

laga:

Jimmy89: getting tired of mythbuntu? ;)

[10:11:56]

juski:

prolly getting tired of nobody answering in #ubuntu-mythtv ;)

[10:11:59]

Jimmy89:

well i want to do some other things on the box at the same time

[10:12:07]

Jimmy89:

no no, i got it installed. which is good.

[10:12:07]

planktonboy:

yeah, one gets used to it and its hard to force yourself to sleep easrlier after a while

[10:12:16]

laga:

juski: hey, i was there holding hands ;)

[10:12:20]

planktonboy:

4am is my average sleep time nowadays

[10:12:39]

juski:

laga: going "there there, somebody who knows what's wrong will be here eventually" :-P

[10:13:14]

juski:

planktonboy: anyway you need to check you can log into mysql from the remote frontend. if you can't – you need to fix that :)

[10:13:18]

laga:

juski: :P

[10:14:13]

juski:

planktonboy: the big 2 suspects would be 1. mysql server bound to 127.0.0.1 and 2. insufficient privileges to allow the remote machine to connect to the mythconverg database from non-local hosts

[10:14:17]

laga:

juski: good news, though: epgdata.com wrote to me today. they said they're working on an XMLTV version of their data \o/

[10:14:32]

planktonboy:

juski I did a mysql mythconverg -h mymythbackend -u mythtv -p

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planktonboy:

and it asks for passowrd and accepts when I enter that

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juski:

really?

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juski:

you might just be missing libqt3-mysql or whatever your distro calls it then

[10:16:38]

planktonboy:

juski, ok will check that

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planktonboy:

thanks

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planktonboy:

:)

[10:26:39]

Dagmar:

Damnit

[10:26:47]

Dagmar:

Why can't ps allow you specify more than one qualifier at a time.

[10:26:51]

Dagmar:

That's just irksome

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juski:

irksome should be the new 2.0 word rather than 'awesome'

[10:33:27]

Merlin83b:

Despite it meaning something different?

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laga:

no, because of that difference

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juski:

no because it means something different

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juski:

probably more truthful too

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laga:

i love the new web 2.0 spiffiness in mythweb, though

[10:34:56]

juski:

gonna have to buy some more envelopes soon :)

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laga:

juski: is it possible to pay over a way different from paypal?

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Beirdo:

ship him a case of beer

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juski:

bottle of JD ?

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laga:

[..] that won't leave me broken ;)

[10:36:10]

juski:

send a cheque?

[10:36:24]

laga:

cheque sounds good. or direct bank transfer

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juski:

I've done international bank transfers before. they're expensive here

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laga:

they cost money?

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juski:

cheaper to use paypal

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juski:

I think last time I did a bank transfer was for one of my s100 boxes – it cost me over15.00 GBP

[10:38:24]

laga:

err, the UK is the EU, right?

[10:40:01]

juski:

yeah

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juski:

UK banks are bad news

[10:40:43]

laga:

it shouldn't cost more than transferring money inside the country. if you transfer EUR, not GBP :)

[10:41:05]

juski:

there's all the effort they have to go to, to process an automatic money transfer. reading a table from a database & sending data is awfully expensive you know :-\

[10:41:28]

juski:

I was transferring EUR

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juski:

maybe it was only8.00 GBP. anyway it was a good percentage – but it would've been the same fee for 50EUR or 5000EUR

[10:43:59]

juski:

ooo. just thought of another way to reduce memory usage!

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laga:

juski: i'll just ask my bank :)

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juski:

I've got all these highlight backgrounds – the arc radius is always the same. just make ONE overlay & display it at the right position.. any overspill will get clipped by qt

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samesame:

a good way of reducing memory usage is by not rememebering things

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laga:

true

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laga:

i can't remember my mobile phone number.

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Beirdo:

another good way is to drink.

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pat_:

got that well under control

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pat_:

fixed my wife's uncles computers up, and he brought me a carton of beer

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pat_:

well, now the computer is fixed and I'm getting on my way to oblivious

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laga:

that's great to hear :)

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laga:

wish it wasn't just before 1pm here

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

it's 6:47am here. I should go get some vodka, it might put me back to sleep

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samesame:

how about a nice cheese + hame + pickle toastie

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samesame:

*ham

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pat_:

we had stew

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pat_:

and beer

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juski:

not even in a '24 hour city' like Manchester can you buy alcyhol 24 hours a day :-|

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hads:

Bah. 22:49 here and I've sobered up.

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hads:

I think it was reading the IMAP RFCs that did it :|

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pat_:

aah, so glad I got married last year. I've got someone to fetch me another beer.

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juski:

wow. why didn't I come up with this idea sooner?! bah I'm so stupid

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laga:

juski: telling the wife to get you beeR?

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juski:

fat lot of good that'd do. she doesn't get back til tomorrow

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laga:

she can buy some on her way home

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juski:

we have plenty here, and sitting at home during the day drinking beer is too sad for me

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pat_:

remember 219, (the wife's instruction)

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laga:

juski: i'll drop by the bank and ask them about the money transfer

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hads:

With all your memory savings I might be able to run blootube-wide on my little 512MB EPIA frontend.

[10:57:41]

juski:

and mine :)

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hads:

Even better :)

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pat_:

my solution was to just put more ram in all of mine

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juski:

it could do menus but nothing to do with plugins

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hads:

It's currently using -lite and mythfrontend is using 132MB and Xorg 71MB

[10:59:25]

juski:

the watermarks still eat the lion's share of RAM though, but this will be a saving of at least 4 * 1280 * 720 * 4 bytes

[10:59:26]

samesame:

do u guys run mythbackend on another box with no Xorg

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pat_:

no, on the same box as my main frontend

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hads:

I have a main BE/FE and two other FEs

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planktonboy:

bbiab

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Dagmar:

Wheee

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Dagmar:

I *almost* have a nice working ntpd package

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laga:

that's almost cool, then

[11:22:55]

Dagmar:

Yeah, the bitch is there's no simple test for the existance of an A record for a hostname in just bash

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samesame:

Dagmar: there are DNS tools u can install

[11:23:36]

Dagmar:

I would kinda like the thing to be thoroughly automagical, and just look for ntp.`hostname -d`

[11:23:49]

Dagmar:

I'm gonna have to see where dhclient sticks the info it's given now I guess

[11:24:01]

Dagmar:

samesame: Considering I'm running a nameserver here, yes I am aware of that

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samesame:

are u running bind

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Dagmar:

Yep[

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Dagmar:

Nothing in it qualifies as "simple"

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samesame:

Dagmar: There are soom good examples on how to get Bind up and running here:

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samesame:

http://www.linux-noob.com/forums/index.php?showforum=32

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samesame:

*some

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Dagmar:

Let me say this again

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Dagmar:

I already have BIND running here.

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Dagmar:

I have been running it for um, about 15 years now.

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juski:

samesame: you're trying to teach grandma how to suck eggs there fella

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Dagmar:

...and that forum is scary. One of those people sets up a reverse zone for 255.0.0.0/8

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Dagmar:

What I'm looking for _now_ is what dhclient does with the log-servers and ntp-servers DHCP options when they're passed down by the server

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Dagmar:

...because that would be the _correct_ place to get local ntp server information from

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hads:

cat /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.leases

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Dagmar:

hads: Yeah, that pretty much seems to be it.

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Dagmar:

Looks like I'm going to have to make up some standards

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Dagmar:

I'm thinking /etc/ntpserver sounds like a good place to store it

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hads:

/usr/local/etc/

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hads:

Anyway, bed calls.

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Dagmar:

No. /usr/local/etc is insanity

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hads:

Riight

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Dagmar:

The /etc directory is already considered local, always.

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Dagmar:

I am also not just throwing files into a filesystem to filthy it up.

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hads:

Whatever

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Dagmar:

Pretty much every admin thing I do I do by making a _package_ and pushing it up into my fileserver

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Dagmar:

Half of them go out to other people.

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Dagmar:

Yes, my home network is _obsessively_ tidy

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samesame:

i know this is off-topic but how does Asterisk work? can u only speak to people on the Asterisk network?

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Merlin83b:

samesame: /join #asterisk

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Dagmar:

No, if you have the right hookups from the telco you can use it like a fully-operational PBX

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samesame:

ok

[11:42:10]

Dagmar:

I know two Asterisk devs

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samesame:

interesting

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Merlin83b:

We use it with a few ISDN lines as our PBX at work.

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Dagmar:

Corydon and Critch both live in the Nashville area

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Dagmar:

One of the more amusing things is that if you're using it as a PBX, you generally also have control of your CID info.

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GreyFoxx:

Assuming your upstream allows it yeah

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GreyFoxx:

We are big asterisk users here

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GreyFoxx:

It's pretty nifty :)

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samesame:

did somone just mention a Asterisk plug in for mythtv i was i seeing things?

[11:48:23]

samesame:

*or

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GreyFoxx:

There is mythphone, which is a sip voice/video phone. It's not a "Asterisk plugin"

[11:48:49]

GreyFoxx:

But it will work with an AsteriskPBX

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samesame:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

Though I've never used mythphones video portion, just the voice bit

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samesame:

mythphone is the 'least' used myth plug in?

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GreyFoxx:

No way to know, I'd think it and mythbrowser are likely very rarely used

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samesame:

yes

[11:51:12]

tfm:

se noai

[11:51:12]

tfm:

ase ai

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Dagmar:

I keep meaning to set up MythPhone but I have got to find a reasonable room mic first

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Dagmar:

...something that won't result in the "insane echo from the depths of hell"

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Dagmar:

...and then will be probably another attempt at setting up an "ass filter" for video.

[11:59:17]

Dagmar:

The first time I left Ekiga open for calls from "just anyone" I had someone moon me..

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laga:

you're just afraid that you might enjoy it one day

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Dagmar:

Well, I can kinda appreciate that kind of mischief on a new medium, but it was still jarring.

[12:01:09]

Dagmar:

I mean, to have someone go through that much trouble to set up a videophone client, and call someone halfway 'round the world with it, just to moon them.

[12:01:29]

Dagmar:

That's just messed up.

[12:01:49]

juski:

could've been worse. much, much worse

[12:03:40]

Dagmar:

This is true

[12:04:12]

laga:

well

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laga:

when i looked in mythweb, i saw an EPG entry that roughly translate to "roseanne: from behind".

[12:07:35]

juski:

eew

[12:07:54]

juski:

bah! the upcoming recordings list can't show you the channel icon :(

[12:10:45]

juski:

that might need a patch later

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Dagmar:

juski: Oh hey, you don't happen to know where in MythWeb it picks the language it's going to use for the output do you?

[12:13:49]

juski:

the recordoptions screen can't have an icon shown either. it'd be useful there too

[12:14:00]

juski:

Dagmar: nope

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juski:

I think I'll wait til I try & patch the UI code again. got enough going on

[12:15:39]

Dagmar:

juski: Someone found a funny bug last night

[12:15:46]

juski:

yeh?

[12:15:50]

Dagmar:

Hit mythweb with wget and look at the output

[12:15:54]

Dagmar:

It'll be in German

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laga:

yay

[12:16:07]

juski:

hahaha

[12:16:11]

laga:

it's a feature

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laga:

trust me

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Dagmar:

I have been looking and can't find where it's picking that and messing up

[12:17:06]

juski:

must get the language from your browser

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Dagmar:

...but then I suck at PHP so there's probably a specific function call to look for if I knew about it

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laga:

Dagmar: it's spanish here :)

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juski:

but something's set the default lang to german obviously

[12:17:23]

Dagmar:

Well, it does do that correctly, or we wouldn't be seeing it in English

[12:17:58]

Dagmar:

juski: I think it's a matter of it doing something bizarre when the language is unset, meaning there might be a nastier bug is a deliberately nasty language is specified

[12:18:06]

Dagmar:

s/is a/if a/

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juski:

mmyers

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juski:

almost time to go looking for orphaned png files now

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Dagmar:

Oh I'll bet it wasn't actually german

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Dagmar:

Okay. Found iut

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Dagmar:

Looks like it's just trusting that $_SESSION['language'] = get_browser_lang(); either sets the thing correctly, or sets it to a known

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Dagmar:

not known... non-empty value

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Dagmar:

I don't see how it's getting from there to the first intry in the associative array $Language tho

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Gomez:

Hi myth experts

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Gomez:

i had a working mythsetup one month ago

[12:30:32]

laga:

happens to the best of us

[12:30:38]

Gomez:

but it broke, i reinstalled myth

[12:30:44]

Gomez:

but it wont work

[12:31:05]

Gomez:

so i changed dvb-s card, and i didnt helped :(

[12:31:25]

Gomez:

mybe some1 can look at my segfault and gimme new idees

[12:31:26]

Gomez:

http://pastebin.ca/566339

[12:31:47]

Gomez:

as soon as i start a recording, mythbackend crashes

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anykey_:

Gomez: which version of myth are you running?

[12:37:29]

Gomez:

mythbackend version: 0.20.20060828–3 www.mythtv.org

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anykey_:

can you run it under gdb?

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juski:

hmm. there's a forum user there with a Dvico dvb-t tuner – when the signal isn't very good & he tries to scan, it locks his machine! now forgive me here but all that should happen if the signal isn't all that great is it should fail to find channels.. not lock the machine hard. never gonna buy dvico :)

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Dagmar:

In theory, the driver should protect the machine from that

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Gomez:

anykey_: under gdb, what this means?

[12:50:09]

anykey_:

Gomez: the devs need to know where to search for a bug, so you need to run mythbackend with a debugger attached...

[12:51:03]

Gomez:

so, gdb is a debugger?

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Dagmar:

Heh. CNN is all atwitter over the fact that the article about "Iran Cracks Down On Porn" is their biggest news story on the website

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anykey_:

Gomez: yes

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Dagmar:

I wonder how long it's going to take them to realize it's just the word "porn" that people are clicking on

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juski:

Dagmar: his card is doing that in both windows and linux

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Dagmar:

juski: Wow. Okay, so it's probably doing something really foul at the USB level then

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juski:

it's not USB. he even said it does the same in a different machine with a different motherboard IIRC

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Dagmar:

I suppose you've already posted that the solution is to take it out of the box, drop it in a bucket of saltwater, and then drop a running hairdryer in with it, eh?

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juski:

nah I suggested he try to get his money back or else sell the card to some poor unsuspecting fool on ebay

[12:54:12]

Gomez:

anykey_: i have gdb installed, whats the exact cmd i have to execute?

[12:54:22]

anykey_:

Gomez: did you compile myth with debugging symbols?

[12:54:55]

Gomez:

anykey_ dont think so its a ubuntu installation

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anykey_:

Gomez: well, try executing 'gdb mythbackend'

[12:55:46]

anykey_:

then type run<enter>

[12:56:10]

Gomez:

(no debugging symbols found)

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Gomez:

;(

[12:56:16]

anykey_:

ok

[12:56:59]

Gomez:

but it does something

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Gomez:

and ends with the seg fault

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anykey_:

yeah well, but it's useless without debugging symbols

[12:57:59]

Gurft:

Anyone have any suggestions for a 'robust' USB gamepad to use with mythgame emulators.... My wife tends to get frustrated and throw.

[12:58:06]

Gurft:

Apparently Super Mario is her sworn enemy.

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GreyFoxx:

I personally just use a usb gravis gamepad :)

[12:59:30]

GreyFoxx:

I plan to pick up some wireless ones eventually, but haven't gotten around to it yet :)

[12:59:39]

** GreyFoxx hugs his 7 year old gamepad **

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anykey_:

Gomez: try this https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-deve . . . /000195.html

[12:59:59]

anykey_:

Gomez: this will give you debug symbols

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Gomez:

k, thx

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Gurft:

GreyFoxx- I think we have the same one (mine's about as old) the problem is with the NES emulator it's a pain as you push diagonally by accident and it reads it as either up or the direction

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Gurft:

which causes funny things to happen.

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Gurft:

I"m thinking about dropping the cash for the USB NES gamepads from REtrozone.

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GreyFoxx:

gurt: Here is an picture of it from long ago : http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2000/09-2 . . . 019.jpg&

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GreyFoxx:

It's seen it'sshare of spills and banging fof the floor now but still works :)

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Gurft:

Yep, that's it :) Mine made it through the college dorms and me living in a house with 6 other guys. Still smells a little like beer.

[13:03:33]

Gurft:

although I still have the joystick attachment that goes into the middle of the dpad

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GreyFoxx:

hehe I broke that the first day :)

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GreyFoxx:

I still use the same speakers, and that desktop is now my firewall after a couple years of being my slave backend :)

[13:05:11]

Gomez:

anykey_: Err http://people.ubuntu.com edgy/main Packages

[13:05:11]

Gomez:

404 Not Found

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Gomez:

on apt-get update :(((

[13:05:59]

Gomez:

hm, should update to Feisty

[13:06:10]

Gomez:

only packs for feisty there

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anykey_:

can't help you then. I'm using gentoo...

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Dagmar:

*snicker*

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planktonboy:

back

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planktonboy:

juski, you still there?

[13:20:58]

juski:

yeah

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juski:

saved another half a meg from the blootube-wide tarball & I'm not done yet :)

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planktonboy:

managed to get the frontend remote working, so thanks for your help. You got me thinking in the right direction and it turned out to be the bind-address in /etc/mysql/my.cnf

[13:22:27]

planktonboy:

disabled that and its working fine

[13:22:38]

juski:

I told you to make sure it wasn't bound to 127.0.0.1 :)_

[13:22:54]

juski:

it's a common thing, done for 'securiddy'

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planktonboy:

so now just got that setup with beryl, so when some mates come over later they are going to be drooling

[13:23:02]

planktonboy:

yup

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juski:

you could do me a favour & test the blootube-wide beta :)

[13:23:25]

planktonboy:

couldnt remember where that was at first...thank god for making the occassional notes :)

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Beirdo:

people.ubuntu.com?? since when was that a repo site?

[13:23:42]

planktonboy:

sure

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planktonboy:

let me get from your site

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juski:

planktonboy: it's not uploaded yet

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juski:

and I'm keeping the beta separate

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planktonboy:

ok

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planktonboy:

whats the best way for you to send it

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juski:

I'm uploading it to my ftp now

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planktonboy:

not sure about doing dcc on xchat, never tried before

[13:25:17]

planktonboy:

ah ok

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planktonboy:

cool

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planktonboy:

:)

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juski:

3.75 mins left

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planktonboy:

hehe

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juski:

18575214 bytes total size

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juski:

http://downloads.mythtvtalk.com/mythtv/themes . . . wide.tar.bz2

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planktonboy:

ok

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planktonboy:

just extract to /usr/share/mythtv/themes/ yeah?

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juski:

yup

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planktonboy:

ok

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juski:

if you already have blootube-wide there I suggest you delete the old dir first

[13:32:47]

juski:

and wipe out your themecache

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planktonboy:

nope, dont have that yet

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juski:

Dagmar: I know what the trans- malarkey is all about now. fleximage="yes" ;)

[13:37:20]

Dagmar:

I thought that made the image rescale to fit

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Dagmar:

I guess I was mistaken

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juski:

you can rescale the image yourself with <staticsize>x,y</staticsize>

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Dagmar:

Yeah, figuring that out

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juski:

when I get a chance I'm gonna add whatI know to the wiki

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Dagmar:

Well, for *some* of the themes

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Dagmar:

The OSD themes seem to have a parser all to themselves

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juski:

aye

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Dagmar:

I documented a bit of that yesterday

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juski:

going to add some scope to get channel icons displayed in more ui.xml areas than currently

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juski:

then maybe I'll see what I can do about menu animation

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Dagmar:

If someone redoes osd.cpp, I really would like to have a grid bigger than 640x480 to work with

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Dagmar:

Having the OSD blurry is teh suck

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juski:

it'd be nice to have some UI bling in time for LRL

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juski:

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anykey_:

heh

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juski:

how hard could it be? lol

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juski:

only in blootube-wide's case it'd go offscreen to the left, then come in from the left

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juski:

now now.. don't let yourself get distracted by thinking how you could code it. there's theming to do

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Kevorkian:

if you ever get bored and feel like making a tivo clone theam .. I would use it.

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juski:

I've just remembered that mythgallery uses different opengl transitions

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juski:

eew! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/14/bbc_itv_c4_player/

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planktonboy:

juski just installed it...looks pretty nice

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planktonboy:

one constructive comment though

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juski:

that's why it's a beta....

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planktonboy:

in the watch recordings Select a Program to watch ...the colour of the recordings list grey colour is a bitr hard to read

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Kevorkian:

aww .. juski reads el reg ..

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juski:

until you move over it is

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planktonboy:

any way to make that a little lighter or darker to contrast against the blue, but not so much contrast as the the white

[14:01:16]

planktonboy:

yes

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planktonboy:

exactly

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juski:

there's supposed to be a marked difference

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planktonboy:

just a tad more contrast

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planktonboy:

yes I understand that :)

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juski:

gimme a sec

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planktonboy:

its just from a distance the grey is a bit too camouflaged :)

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juski:

change line 1538 of ui.xml to read <color>#aaaaaa</color>

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planktonboy:

ok

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juski:

25% brighter or so

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juski:

I've committed the change

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planktonboy:

ah thats a bit bette

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planktonboy:

r

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planktonboy:

but maybe a bit too bright now..hehe

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planktonboy:

naa..better

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planktonboy:

same with Programme finder

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juski:

yeah.. I'll update them all. gonna change the recording fonts to have drop shadows aswell

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planktonboy:

would that be line 928

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planktonboy:

ah

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planktonboy:

ok

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Dagmar:

What we need is a keyframer

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Dagmar:

...so that we can make the various p[arts of the OSD fly in and do barrel rolls before settling

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GreyFoxx:

That would be kinda nifty :)

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GreyFoxx:

I think that might tie into the OpenGL OSD stuff in the -vid branch

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planktonboy:

like the graphics in it

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planktonboy:

are those vector

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planktonboy:

or some of them at least

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Dagmar:

I was just kidding

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GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: I'm not. Well, the barrel rolls would be a little much :)

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GreyFoxx:

nbut the GL OSD will be nice for smooth animations and less glitchy OSD for some people

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planktonboy:

anyway, nice job juski, will keep that as my frontend ui on the laptop for now if thats ok with you :)

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anykey_:

GreyFoxx: any plans for merging it into trunk?

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GreyFoxx:

anykey_: Eventually it will be when Daniel feels it's ready

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anykey_:

guess that'll have to wait until multirec is finished then ;)

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GreyFoxx:

he works on both, I wouldn't be suprised to see -vid merged in first

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anykey_:

ok

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juski:

planktonboy: stay tuned for updates

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planktonboy:

will do mate

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planktonboy:

oh well best go have a shower before my friends arrive

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planktonboy:

hehe

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planktonboy:

3.15 pm and still in my jim jams

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planktonboy:

LOL

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RayJones:

is there a keyboard key to go straight to tv? I want to set my remote TV button to it, can't find anything so far

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GreyFoxx:

RayJones: There definately is a LiveTV jumppoint

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GreyFoxx:

no idea what the default key for it is though

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GreyFoxx:

If you have mythcontrols installed you can look it up

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rsdvd:

Hi all......for the last few days my DVB card won;t lock to certain channels while others are fine. Can anyone offer an suggestions as to where to start looking/how to fix it?

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mkrufky:

rsdvd: do you live in AU ?

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rsdvd:

no UK

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quicksilver:

sounds like a problem outside your box

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juski:

hey rsdvd

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mkrufky:

ah, ok

[15:21:57]

quicksilver:

poor signal quality

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rsdvd:

Hi juski – long time so speak :-)

[15:22:12]

quicksilver:

bad weather, cabling not-quite-good-enough

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juski:

it's nasty windy here, maybe your aerial has moved

[15:22:41]

quicksilver:

I bet it's ITV and C4 you can't tune

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quicksilver:

that's the weakest mux for most people

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juski:

those nasty QAM64 muxes

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rsdvd:

quicksilver : I thought that – my signal strength is never good at the best of times (I live in a former quarry)......but I have other freeview boxes onthe same aerial

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rsdvd:

quicksilver : yes! you got the same probelm?

[15:23:19]

quicksilver:

computer DVB-T cards are quite often not as good a freeview boxes at tuning

[15:23:27]

quicksilver:

I'm not entirely sure why

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juski:

rsdvd: STBs getting a better signal is never an indicator of anything

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juski:

quicksilver: better tuners in em

[15:23:38]

** quicksilver nods **

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juski:

and on the PCI bus is no place for a bit of sensitive RF gear

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quicksilver:

rsdvd: yes, I can't get ITV or C4 at all, really

[15:24:04]

quicksilver:

rsdvd: I'm hoping a new antenna/cable will solve it

[15:24:17]

quicksilver:

keep waiting for the money/time to fix it

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rsdvd:

is there anything I can do to get it to tune again?

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juski:

you should check the BBC engineering site & see if there's any work going on

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juski:

rsdvd: other than fixing the aerial setup, no

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juski:

FYI the bbc eng. site has info on all tx sites IIRC, not just BBC

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Beakster:

hi, is it possible to start mythtv from the terminal, passing it a flag which tells it not to use opengl?

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juski:

Beakster: yeah

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Beakster:

reason is that opengl doesnt draw over VNC

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juski:

mythfrontend -O Painter="qt" IIRC

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Beakster:

excellent, thanks juski :)

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juski:

mythfrontend -O ThemePainter="qt"

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juski:

or if really desperate, mythfrontend --reset

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Beakster:

worked, thanks

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Beakster:

one last question...

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juski:

don't ever say that

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juski:

it's not your last *ever* question :-P

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rsdvd:

quicksilver / juski : there is nothing wrong with the areaial – so I will just have to put it down tot he crap weather – hope it corrects itself when it stops raining

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TSCHAKWerk:

that always makes me chuckle.

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juski:

rsdvd: you don't know that for sure

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Beakster:

i got 2 tuners. when im watching tv on tuner 1, and myth wants to record something, why doesnt is just use tuner 2? instead it tells me that is wants to record and do i want to cancel or watch it

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Beakster:

:)

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quicksilver:

they don't both think they have the same channels on

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juski:

rsdvd: stop mythbackend & try tzap on the dvb card. I bet there's loads of nasty BER & UNC going on

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quicksilver:

I guess

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rsdvd:

juski : true – but as far as I can tell without getting a ladder – it looks ok and the signal strength on the other TVs is the same as usual

[15:29:45]

cyrexion:

Good morning, Guys. Would anyone happen to know how to install the HD-5500 drivers into KnoppMyth R5E50 ? I don't know if a complete kernel re-compile is needed.

[15:30:08]

juski:

rsdvd: check your fans.. fans going bad can go electrically noisy

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juski:

switch yer dect phone off.. anything that uses radio signals just get rid of for a bit & see if that helps

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juski:

cyrexion: #knoppmyth :)

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rsdvd:

juski : good idea! the fan in the server next to the mythbox is fedinatly failing

[15:31:46]

juski:

rsdvd: I'd still not rule out the aerial. the coax in most aerial setups is mostly damp string compared to what's used for new installs

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mkrufky:

cyrexion: hd5500 has been supported since many kernel versions ago.... which version is running on your knoppmyth distro? (if they yell at us for off-topic, then feel free to meet me in #linuxtv)

[15:32:20]

rsdvd:

juski: I had it installed at Christmas – and the cable is CT100

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juski:

rsdvd: when the weather's less crappy I'd check the dude used self amalgamating tape on the exit hole of the aerial coupling

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cyrexion:

mkrufky: 2.6.18-chw-13 <--kernel. KnoppMyth R5E50

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juski:

rsdvd: and you ARE using an amplifier on that aerial for all the boxes you feed aren't you?

[15:33:37]

mkrufky:

ok, brb i'll check

[15:34:03]

juski:

I can split my main aerial twice before it results in me not picking up ITV & C4

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rsdvd:

juski : yes – it feeds into an amp – then into the mythbox and my home distibution setup

[15:34:43]

juski:

can't wait til switchoff – we'll all get decent signals then

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Dibblah:

Unless they sell it all off to private interests.

[15:35:02]

juski:

the ERP of current dvb-t TXs is like 10% of the analogue power

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mkrufky:

cyrexion: it _should_ work out-of-the-box with that kernel

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Dibblah:

Then we'll all get squat.

[15:35:24]

juski:

Dibblah: unless we go for $ly of course

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juski:

heard Ian Collins on talksport make a great point last night

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mkrufky:

...unless they stripped away the lgdt330x module, like they did in the 2.6.13-chw kernel

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Dibblah:

Yes, digiboxes fill me with excitement.

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Dibblah:

Oh, no, that's not the word I was actually looking for.

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cyrexion:

mkrufky: so separate driver installation is not necessary? installing knoppmyth will suffice?

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Dibblah:

Loathing. Yes, that's a better one.

[15:36:14]

mkrufky:

correct. separate driver installation should not be necessary

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mkrufky:

cyrexion: ^

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juski:

you know how all these dodgy geezers go about selling knockoff goods, pirated dvds & stuff? yeah so how come the Trading Standards lot & the police go after the sellers on behalf of these companies who aren't exactly short of a few quid hmm? ;)

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cyrexion:

ok. thanks.

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juski:

and at the taxpayers' expense too..

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RayJones:

I got something strange, I tried to reconfigure the keys and when I press up it goes to the music module, I have changed lircrc and no change

[15:38:37]

RayJones:

I want up to go up and no music module, the only button with "up" is correctly configured

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RayJones:

is there another file for keypresses?

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cyrexion:

mkrufky: would you know how to increase the timeout for channel scanning? I have an antenna to receive OTA stations, and during channel scan, I never get a lock...

[15:41:36]

mkrufky:

which channel scan? using themythtv-setup channel scan ?

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mkrufky:

cyrexion: ^

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cyrexion:

correct

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mkrufky:

cyrexion: try using atscscan, from dvb-apps. ... atscscan, AKA dvbscan, AKA scan ....... dvb-apps, AKA dvb-utils, AKA linuxtv-dvb-apps, AKA http://linuxtv.org/hg/dvb-apps

[15:43:03]

mkrufky:

mythtv will let you import the channels.conf created from the scan utility

[15:43:24]

mkrufky:

your distro probably has this utility packaged... if not, download & compile from the repo link above

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cyrexion:

thanks

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Dibblah:

If you can, use the internal scanner. Importing from dvbscan is not the same.

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Dibblah:

(It doesn't get the PIDs right, ISTR)

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Dibblah:

As in the Myth importer, not dvbscan.

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mkrufky:

Dibblah: i think cyrexion is experiencing a problem in which the internal scanner is timing out too quickly

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rsdvd:

Does anyone here have an antec fusion case, and is using the display?

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mkrufky:

it would be a good idea to try dvbscan, just to see if it has the same problem, in which case, it is probably a signal problem

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Dibblah:

mythtv-setup, go into the DVB card.

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Dibblah:

From there you can alter the timeouts.

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mkrufky:

aha! that's a much better answer than mine. thanks Dibblah ...

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mkrufky:

cyrexion: see above ^^

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Dibblah:

However, it's unlikely to be a problem, since Myth defaults to about 60 seconds, AFAIK.

[15:51:15]

janneg:

Dibblah: with trunk and .20.1 it's the the same and the problem was that it didn't get the network and transport ids

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janneg:

Dibblah: only for dvb-s

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Dibblah:

Ah. Meaning that EIT doesn't work.

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mkrufky:

well, cyrexion is using atsc

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Dibblah:

janneg: That makes more sense. Not many people using rotors on DVB-c/t...

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janneg:

for dvb-t and dvb-c the timeouts are much shorter

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cyrexion:

I tried to run dvbscan, but it couldn't find that executable on my system. I would assume it should be sitting in one of the directories specified in PATH.

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mkrufky:

*if* it's installed

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mkrufky:

which distro, cyrexion ?

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cyrexion:

R5E50

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mkrufky:

oh yeah i knew that :-P

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cyrexion:

but I'm going to try R5F1

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juski:

try just 'scan'

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mkrufky:

apt-get install dvb-utils

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cyrexion:

:)

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cyrexion:

probably a stupid question: I do this before even running the setup gui (connections, sources, etc..) ?

[15:59:56]

cyrexion:

that is, when prompted for root's pass

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mkrufky:

cyrexion: i think you should read the backlog .... Dibblah suggested that this isnt the best idea for myth

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cyrexion:

ahh, I see..

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cyrexion:

thanks, Dibblah and mkrufky

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mkrufky:

i say, do it anyway, just to see if you get more channels

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mkrufky:

but you should use internal mechanisms for mythtv, apparantly ....

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juski:

later versions have been fixed to allow importing channels.conf to work better. that's later versions of trunk & -fixes :)

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juski:

so I heard IIRC

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juski:

putting screenshots up at www.juski.co.uk/screenshots/btw/

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mkrufky:

gasp! frames!!

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juski:

yeah my domain redirector is cheap

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mkrufky:

juski: hot! .... is this 10 different themes, or all just 1 theme?

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juski:

just 1

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mkrufky:

some of those are _really_ cool looking.... i think this will become my new theme once ready

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: absolutely cherry

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TSCHAKWerk:

fantastic

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Dagmar:

We're not going to ask why you watch Dora the Explorer

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juski:

I don't

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juski:

but I thought it'd be better to have harmless stuff in there than *N*L EXPLORERS

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Dagmar:

Ahhh

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juski:

overall I'm very happy with how it's turned out

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juski:

oh god no. ran out of webspace lol

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juski:

ah no

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Dagmar:

I *was* happily working on the OSD info pane for lcars

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mkrufky:

juski: what determines which picture shows to the left?

[16:53:02]

Dagmar:

But then NES managed to kill power for the greater downtown Nashville area for like 1/4 second

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juski:

mkrufky: the menu item currently selected

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Dagmar:

Which um, shut down the air handlers in this building... meaning no AC and frantic calls to the union shop...

[16:53:40]

Dagmar:

Oh, and it killed about 300 nodes in the cluster

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mkrufky:

ah, ok... pretty cool juski — i love it!

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RyeBrye:

Dagmar, you are in a union, or the AC people are in the union?

[16:54:09]

Dagmar:

The folks who fix AC on campus are in a union

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RyeBrye:

Ok,

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Dagmar:

...but um 300 nodes

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, that's a lot of nodes

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mkrufky:

the a/c units for your server room should be on a backup generator, Dagmar

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Dagmar:

Those are

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Dagmar:

Beside which the power only went down for literally 1/4 second

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mkrufky:

is that not long enough to trip the UPS ?

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juski:

now I've got my screenshots I can launch tonight, and maybe even check it into svn !

[16:55:34]

Dagmar:

Have you done the logistics on putting 1200+ nodes on a UPS system?

[16:55:36]

RyeBrye:

That's only 15 cycles of the A/C – (1/4 second)

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mkrufky:

lol ,, nope

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Dagmar:

Let's just say that the cluster *isn't* on any kind of UPS

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mkrufky:

i only have 20 or so on my ups

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mkrufky:

ha!! ok then

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Dagmar:

The two ton monster we just put in that room is just for the _rest_ of the room

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juski:

the PSUs I test for work have to be good for a minimum of 100ms

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Dagmar:

None of the workstations in this office died

[16:57:12]

Dagmar:

...not the projectors, or the plasma displays

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juski:

ok folks there's gonna be a blootube-wide launch party later :) the drinks are on you

[16:59:16]

** mkrufky raises his glass **

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Dagmar:

Hope you like urine

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Dagmar:

heheheh

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fysafysa:

Are you running mythcommflag on that cluster, Dagmar?

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Dagmar:

I suspect it could flag *all* channels in realtime

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Dagmar:

Pretty sure if there were a multi-threaded DiVX encoder, we could use it to restream campus cable as divx

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sebrock:

I just installed a backend but when trying to run setup it complains about mythbackend needs to shut down... but then there is nothing to shut down???

[17:14:06]

sebrock:

looking at active processes no mythbackend is running either

[17:14:41]

sebrock:

doing mythbackend restart says no found, non killed... with just 'start' it says it is already running?

[17:15:04]

sebrock:

I don't have an idea of this?

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Dagmar:

sebrock: Who made the packages you installed?

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sebrock2:

Dagmar, sorry had some problems with my connection

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sebrock2:

I used the packages from Ubuntu

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sebrock2:

and I made this: apt-get install mythtv-backend-master

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sebrock2:

just gonna use one backend

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Dagmar:

So it's probably time to contact the people who made the package

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sebrock2:

well, strange that it will not start because its running and same time can't kill it because nothing's to kill

[17:30:19]

laga:

um

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laga:

mytht-vsetup will start.

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laga:

it'll just give you a warning.

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sebrock2:

laga, ?

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sebrock2:

it did not start, othwise I think I would have seen that :D

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laga:

when does it complain about the backend running? can you be more specific, please?

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sebrock2:

well, when trying this: mythbackend start

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sebrock2:

checking running processes nothing shows

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sebrock2:

can't restart the backend either because nothing is to be killed

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sebrock2:

I installed a "master-backend" package

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sebrock2:

was this correct?

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fxfitz:

Does anyone know if there is a keystroke to bring up the Program Guide??

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fxfitz:

While watching LiveTV??

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laga:

no???

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mkrufky:

fxfitz: M

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mkrufky:

(for menu)

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fxfitz:

Oh wow. That's great! Thanks!

[17:47:59]

mkrufky:

so... M – Enter , would bring up the program guide on my box

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fxfitz:

mkrufky, Oh, and this has been bothering me. Is there any way to, in the guide, when pressing Enter it will go to the channel and not ask me if I want to record?

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sebrock:

hey mkrufky

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sebrock:

I finally changed my HVR-1300 for a PVR-500

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mkrufky:

fxfitz: i think there's a setting to tell it to switch to the channel, rather than scheduling it for record, but im not sure..... take a look in the settings using mythfrontend. it's probably under TV settings, but thats just a guess

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fxfitz:

mkrufky, Alright, I'll take a look. Thanks!!

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janneg:

fxfitz: 's'

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mkrufky:

hi, sebrock

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sebrock:

hey

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mkrufky:

i guess you dont care about DVB-T, then... huh, sebrock

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janneg:

fxfitz: you can switch with iirc 'x'

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sebrock:

no, I live in a big student complex and they convert to analog before sending it out

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sebrock:

but now I'm having trouble starting mythtv-setup :/

[17:52:59]

sebrock:

but I'll check that later

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sebrock:

maybe downloaded a broken package

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fxfitz:

janneg, iirc?

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janneg:

if i remember correctly

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fxfitz:

janneg, I'm sorry, I don't know what iirc is. :-P

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mkrufky:

fxfitz: http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Str . . . mp;Find=Find

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fxfitz:

Oh! :-P

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fxfitz:

Well, its actually all working now! Thanks!

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** RyeBrye has spent two days working on getting MythTV to build on his OS X box... **

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** RyeBrye is getting closer :) **

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Dibblah:

janneg: Looks like another good ffmpeg merge :)

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janneg:

it is at least better than the last

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Dibblah:

Heh.

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fxfitz:

Where can I change the default aspect ratio??

[18:05:45]

RyeBrye:

Do people use the web browser in MythTV?

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TSCHAKWerk:

janneg: I haven't checked ffmpeg lately, are the multithreaded h.264 patches making it in?

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janneg:

TSCHAKWerk: there is progress

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TSCHAKWerk:

awesome

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TSCHAKWerk:

i can't wait to dump coreAVC

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TSCHAKWerk:

that patch is scaaaaary

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fxfitz:

RyeBrye, Some do.

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janneg:

TSCHAKWerk: http://www.grunau.be/ffmpeg_9132_mt_h264.diff.bz2 apply that to mythtv trunk from end of may if you want to get rid of coreavc now

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janneg:

but ffmpeg can't decode PAFF interlaced streams

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TSCHAKWerk:

janneg: thanks :-)

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janneg:

I'll probably update it later or tomorrow

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SpaceBass:

hey folks

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SpaceBass:

I'm exploring Verizon FiOS TV and have been told their STBs have FireWire enabled

[18:19:05]

SpaceBass:

but its set to "copy one generation" ... does that mean anything to anyone here? I couldnt find much on google

[18:22:20]

fryfrog:

unfortunatly, firewire and STB seems to be hit and miss, cross you fingers and get lucky

[18:22:40]

fryfrog:

your best bet is probably a good search of the gossamer threads archive for mythtv and see if you can fidn anyone with fios tv

[18:22:51]

fryfrog:

and hope you end up with the same brand/model of cable box, if they got it working

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SpaceBass:

humm

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SpaceBass:

well I'm not too picky...trying to reduce my TV bill and get better control of the content...too much to ask for :) ?

[18:24:27]

fryfrog:

I have comcast and 2 HD-DVR's with firewire out

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fryfrog:

that increased my bill, unfortunatly :(

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SpaceBass:

what I want to do is get one STB and build a myth server...then stream to my MacMinis (front ends) on each TV

[18:24:57]

fryfrog:

I have also a pair of PCI air2pc cards, but comcast remapped their channel lineup and I wasn't able to find the HD stations again

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fryfrog:

SpaceBass: Then you need to find out exactly what STB you'd get, find out if anyone has tried it with myth... and go from there

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fryfrog:

firewire is already one of the least used parts of myth, i would wager

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SpaceBass:

I do have an antenna on the roof and I have a USB tuner for one of my macs...works fine for OTA locals

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fryfrog:

and those people with fios *and* firewire are going to be much smaller :(

[18:26:12]

fryfrog:

SpaceBass: yeah, I think I need to hook an ANT up to my 2 ATSC cards, just to get em back doing something

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SpaceBass:

i've been told, not sure how accurate, that FiOS uses the same STB everywhere and that firewire is enabled for "gen one copy" but I dont know what that means

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fryfrog:

i believe that means that if you are using a firewire recording device (dvd, vhs, etc) that it will allow *one* copy to be made

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SpaceBass:

ah

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fryfrog:

you couldn't then use that dvd/vhs and copy to another

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SpaceBass:

how will myth deal with that?

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fryfrog:

well...

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SpaceBass:

or will it be missing some hardware handshake and prevent me from accessing

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fryfrog:

if they use 5C (firewire's encryption) myth won't be able to talk to it

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fryfrog:

and 5C is how they handle the copy/don't copy/copy once

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fryfrog:

that said, you might find that only some channels even use 5C

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fryfrog:

or that none of them do

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fryfrog:

or all of them do

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SpaceBass:

hummm

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fryfrog:

or there is a (stupid) work around, like tuning to a channel that doesn't use 5C before you tune to one that does

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SpaceBass:

i hate that they make it so hard

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fryfrog:

yeah :(

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fryfrog:

did you search the email archive of mythtv for "fios" or something?

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fryfrog:

maybe someone else has tried

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klpt:

anybody have an A180?

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fryfrog:

and does fios offer their own HD DVR?

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SpaceBass:

yep

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SpaceBass:

for $12.99/month

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fryfrog:

maybe what you ought to do is switch to FiOS, get the HD-DVR and try it with myth.

[18:29:56]

SpaceBass:

currently I have satelite and the idea of renting equipment irks me

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fryfrog:

if it works, you could downgrade to an HD Tuner...

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SpaceBass:

thats my plan

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fryfrog:

if it doesn't, at least you have an HD DVR :/

[18:30:13]

SpaceBass:

got their HD DVR coming

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fryfrog:

yeah, sucks to rent from them :(

[18:30:27]

SpaceBass:

but we have 4 HD TVs...and I dont want to shell out $50 just for boxes

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fryfrog:

krikey!

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SpaceBass:

when I only need the HD feeds :)

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fryfrog:

yeah, that'd suck

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SpaceBass:

just gimme the raw feeds damnit!

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fryfrog:

comcast in my area rents the boxes for like $10

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fryfrog:

but they charge an "HD" fee of $5 for each box also

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fryfrog:

why not just fucking charge $15 to rent the stupid box?

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SpaceBass:

their standard HD (non DVR) is $4.99

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fryfrog:

i'd have to look at my bill, but i think that jives with mine

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SpaceBass:

thats what comcast does here too...comcast here has the worst reputation of any company

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fryfrog:

I had one HD-DVR, called them and asked them to replace my HD DVR with 2x HD tuners

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fryfrog:

the dude came out, took my HD-DVR out to his van... then walked in with 2 more :/

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SpaceBass:

lol

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fryfrog:

aparantly they didn't have anh HD tuners :p

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fryfrog:

in theory, i only get charged for HD tuners though

[18:32:41]

fryfrog:

so its all good

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fryfrog:

but damn, do i hate comcast

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fryfrog:

and their dvr's are the pits

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SpaceBass:

currently, we have Mac Mini's on each TV...and I...ah.."get" all of my shows on them magically...so we aren't useing the satelite except if we want to watch someting live, like news, or channel surg

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SpaceBass:

surf

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SpaceBass:

apparently I can't type or spell today

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fryfrog:

i'd switch to SAT, but you can't get *any* HD off of them :/

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SpaceBass:

I get about 10 HD channels on DirecTV

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RyeBrye:

SpaceBass – do you run OS X or linux on the Mac Minis?

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SpaceBass:

get my locals via OTA

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SpaceBass:

OS X

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fryfrog:

right, but you can't feed that to MythTV in HD

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SpaceBass:

fryfrog, and thus the fios experiment :)

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RyeBrye:

SpaceBass – you run SVN? You build the OS X frontends yourself?

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fryfrog:

hehe

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SpaceBass:

RyeBrye, downloaded binaries

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fryfrog:

how is unstable myth svn btw?

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fryfrog:

i'm running relativly recent svn -fixes

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SpaceBass:

RyeBrye, only run the frontend a few times...not really running a mythtv setup yet

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fryfrog:

but have heard that firewire is better in svn head

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SpaceBass:

mostly use a frontend for VLC with my media stored on a fileserver

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SpaceBass:

with no tuner or feeds, I dont have a reason for myth yet

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RyeBrye:

oh, gotcha

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** RyeBrye is knee deep in trying to get the damned frontend to build on OS X **

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stuarta:

RyeBrye: there's a script under contrib

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SpaceBass:

anyway...I'll keep my fingers crossed about the firewire port

[18:36:03]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, that script is kind of like magic... but it doesn't work

[18:36:09]

RyeBrye:

It hits snags all the time

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SpaceBass:

guess I can test with a mac and firewire before I order a capture card

[18:36:36]

RyeBrye:

I submitted a ticket earlier today that fixes two of the bigger snags I hit – one of the DL links was bad, and the thing builds itself on a disk image that it filled up about halfway through

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Dibblah:

Gack. It's comic-book guy.

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Dibblah:

(LinuxMCE video)

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Dibblah:

Woo hoo! Nvidia fianlly does brightness / contrast in XV.

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Dibblah:

Of course you need an 8xxx card. Uhuh. That's going to happen.

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sebrock:

Dagmar r u there?

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sebrock:

this is the output I get; http://www.pastebin.ca/567054

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sebrock:

I basically followed this (except I use the Ubuntu Server 7.04): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feis . . . %28mythtv%29

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thoraxe:

fryfrog i am having fun with comcast too

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fryfrog:

sebrock: if you used the feisty *server* you wouldn't have X right?

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fryfrog:

or did you install that?

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fryfrog:

When I first tried Ubuntu + MythTV, I tried using Feisty server... but after having to install a bunch of stuff, I decided it would just be faster/easier to start with the desktop version

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fryfrog:

thoraxe: what are you fighting with?

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SpaceBass:

what about mythbuntu

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sebrock:

Nono, Im using the server yes, but I SSH remote with a computer with X server

[19:14:22]

thoraxe:

well the first fun i had was that my net was up/down for 6 months

[19:14:26]

SpaceBass:

i couldn't get myth-backend to work with server

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fryfrog:

no experience, but unless you don't know what you are doing... i'd go with a real distro

[19:14:34]

thoraxe:

they kept sending techs to tell me that my signal was fine, because it was, by the time they got there

[19:14:41]

sebrock:

SpaceBass why not?

[19:14:43]

** stuarta senses a challenge **

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fryfrog:

sebrock: ah :/

[19:14:51]

thoraxe:

finally i called corp escalation because i knew it was a problem with edge network hardware but i couldn't tell anyone

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SpaceBass:

sebrock, setup fails every time

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fryfrog:

it looks like you *might* be having ssh forwarding problems?

[19:14:58]

thoraxe:

needless ot say, it got fixed quickly after that

[19:15:06]

fryfrog:

thoraxe: how'd you know?

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sebrock:

SpaceBass did you SSH -X?

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thoraxe:

fryfrog: problem was always @ DHCP

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SpaceBass:

sebrock, yep

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fryfrog:

ahhh

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sebrock:

so the setup never started uh?

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thoraxe:

the motorola modem when the inet was out would get hung up on pulling an ip from the comcast net

[19:15:29]

fryfrog:

i hate comcast support :/

[19:15:38]

sebrock:

SpaceBass, because thats where I'm at now

[19:15:42]

thoraxe:

if the inet was up everythign was fine, great speed, perfect operation

[19:15:51]

thoraxe:

anyway, now i bough ta ne whouse

[19:15:58]

thoraxe:

comcast made me wait 2 weeks for the previous owners to get disconencted

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fryfrog:

hahah, suck :/

[19:16:06]

thoraxe:

and then wait another 2 weeks to send someone out to re-connect !

[19:16:19]

thoraxe:

like uh, couldn't you just start sengin me a bill? haha

[19:16:20]

fryfrog:

sounds lame tastic :/

[19:16:23]

sebrock:

have a look at this SpaceBass, and see if you regognize it: http://www.pastebin.ca/567054

[19:16:37]

thoraxe:

fry are you using an ir blaster to control your motorola STB from comcast?

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SpaceBass:

#

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SpaceBass:

Segmentation fault

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SpaceBass:

#

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SpaceBass:

Restarting MythTV server: mythbackend No /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed.

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SpaceBass:

i get the same thing

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thoraxe:

i have been using sagetv for 2 years and just using the analog cable lineup

[19:17:05]

fryfrog:

No, I have a DCT6412, hooked up with firewire (which does data and channel changing)

[19:17:13]

thoraxe:

what's a DCT6412??

[19:17:14]

stuarta:

SpaceBass: what QT version is on that box

[19:17:25]

fryfrog:

its one of their couple of "HD DVR" boxes

[19:17:34]

thoraxe:

the grey one?

[19:17:35]

SpaceBass:

stuarta, 3.x

[19:17:40]

SpaceBass:

how can I check

[19:17:43]

fryfrog:

uh

[19:17:46]

sebrock:

SpaceBass, so what did you do then? I'm about to install the Alternative version in text mode

[19:17:48]

stuarta:

dpkg -l libqt3-mt

[19:17:49]

fryfrog:

Its a Motorola, probaly gray :)

[19:17:58]

fryfrog:

THey are sitting next to my server, so i rarely see em

[19:18:21]

thoraxe:

so you are controlling your STB but with firewire not ir blaster :)

[19:18:26]

thoraxe:

do you get HD out of the firewire?

[19:18:28]

SpaceBass:

3.3.8

[19:18:33]

fryfrog:

yup

[19:18:35]

stuarta:

that's the problem

[19:18:41]

thoraxe:

fry hot damn that is pretty cool

[19:18:44]

SpaceBass:

sebrock, i cannot restage the box...so I quit

[19:18:52]

stuarta:

3.3.8 has a bug, surprised they haven't patched it

[19:18:54]

fryfrog:

yeah, well... it fails randomly and more than i'd like

[19:19:01]

thoraxe:

ok maybe that's not so cool :(

[19:19:19]

fryfrog:

some channels it has a really hard time with (mostly the new HD channels like A&T and that U... something

[19:20:31]

sebrock:

SpaceBass, sorry you could not what?

[19:20:37]

sebrock:

u quit?

[19:20:47]

sebrock:

so no MythTV for you?

[19:21:02]

SpaceBass:

re-stage it... could not reload a new OS

[19:21:16]

SpaceBass:

sebrock, playing with a different Ubuntu 7.04 desktop box...got it woking there

[19:21:26]

SpaceBass:

if I move forward, then I'll build a box using Feisty desktop

[19:21:32]

sebrock:

Well, I don't want the extra stuff

[19:21:47]

sebrock:

Server edition is pretty stripped

[19:21:50]

SpaceBass:

sebrock, feisty desktop is pretty lean when you first intall it, but I understand

[19:21:52]

sebrock:

thats why it's good

[19:21:56]

fryfrog:

sebrock: but really, what does it matter?

[19:21:57]

stuarta:

right, now i have the ubuntu iso's, i can boot some ubuntu iso's.

[19:22:06]

fryfrog:

i mean, just don't auto-load X and you are fine

[19:22:08]

SpaceBass:

I'm still running server, on my server...just doesnt seem like I'll get myth on it

[19:22:09]

sebrock:

well, it should work anyway...

[19:22:11]

stuarta:

hmmm, boot some ubuntu vm's

[19:22:30]

sebrock:

dammit

[19:23:05]

fryfrog:

My favorite Ubuntu CDs are the "alternate" ones

[19:23:15]

fryfrog:

I don't like the LiveCD method of install, feels dirty :p

[19:23:35]

sebrock:

THats what I feel having a backend running on a desktop

[19:23:44]

fryfrog:

yeah, i know what you mean :(

[19:23:51]

fryfrog:

at least I have an excuse on my "server"

[19:23:56]

SpaceBass:

im about to try mythbuntu

[19:23:57]

fryfrog:

*sometimes* I use it to watch TV :)

[19:24:04]

fryfrog:

still feels dirty running X on a server :p

[19:24:17]

SpaceBass:

my server is mostly running my 2TB raid5 file share....

[19:24:24]

sebrock:

thats why I want to configure it using a remote system

[19:24:26]

fryfrog:

damn!

[19:24:34]

fryfrog:

I need 2 more 320G drives to hit 2TB :p

[19:24:41]

sebrock:

But then myth-setup will not start

[19:24:53]

stuarta:

i haven't even got my first TB :(

[19:24:59]

fryfrog:

awww :(

[19:25:10]

stuarta:

not far off however, 820G

[19:25:11]

fryfrog:

still got almost 500G free though, so i won't throw in 2 more 320s for a while

[19:25:15]

SpaceBass:

I've ordered the mobo for my myth box.... think I'm going with 3 750gb drives in RAID 5

[19:25:18]

Eclipsor:

I'll be starting out with 640g

[19:25:19]

fryfrog:

<3 raid5 hot-incrase

[19:25:22]

Eclipsor:

hopefully that doesnt run out too fast ;)

[19:25:25]

SpaceBass:

if I thought ZFS was do-able I'd use it

[19:25:43]

fryfrog:

are 750G at a good price?

[19:25:45]

sebrock:

AARRRGghh!!

[19:25:51]

fryfrog:

last I looked, 400G was the best $/GB

[19:25:52]

SpaceBass:

I've expanded my raid5 array a few times

[19:26:05]

fryfrog:

though you'd need more drives which could be a problem

[19:26:15]

SpaceBass:

fryfrog, think they still are...maybe $500 now (can be found for $100) but my case is limited in space

[19:26:21]

fryfrog:

I have 2 4 port PCI SATA cards and like 4 or 6 built into the MB

[19:26:52]

fryfrog:

$500 is 1TB drives, 750G should be $200 or so I'd guess?

[19:27:00]

fryfrog:

still terible value :(

[19:27:01]

SpaceBass:

fryfrog, I'm using 2x4 cards in my server now too

[19:27:19]

SpaceBass:

i can always use external enclosures...

[19:27:24]

SpaceBass:

but they are loud and ugly

[19:27:37]

fryfrog:

I have the best case I've ever used :)

[19:27:42]

fryfrog:

nicely designed, 8 drive slots

[19:27:42]

SpaceBass:

since this box won't live in my server closet then it needs to look clean or MRs. SpaceBass will kill me

[19:27:53]

fryfrog:

and i created 2 more in the 2 open 5.25" bays

[19:28:27]

fryfrog:

she is just begging me to throw in 2 more drives :)

[19:28:38]

SpaceBass:

L)

[19:28:39]

SpaceBass:

:)

[19:28:45]

SpaceBass:

software raid?

[19:29:22]

fryfrog:

yar, linux kernel

[19:29:24]

fryfrog:

you too?

[19:29:32]

fryfrog:

couple of cheap $10 pci sata cards too :)

[19:29:48]

SpaceBass:

yeah, software

[19:30:16]

fryfrog:

the raid5 expansion made me really excited when i read about it :)

[19:30:20]

SpaceBass:

yep

[19:30:23]

SpaceBass:

and it works so nicely

[19:30:27]

fryfrog:

yeah

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fryfrog:

took me about 24 hrs to add one drive

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SpaceBass:

yeah

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SpaceBass:

its slooow

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fryfrog:

i wonder if you can convert from raid5->raid6?

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** TSCHAKWerk is considering a 3ware card...... **

[19:33:28]

stuarta:

i suspect that'll be even slower

[19:33:32]

SpaceBass:

yeah

[19:33:37]

SpaceBass:

I really need to explore ZFS

[19:33:49]

SpaceBass:

I can't tell if its really available or still conceptual

[19:33:55]

stuarta:

sounds like you need the storage groups code

[19:33:56]

TSCHAKWerk:

only in Solaris.

[19:34:28]

TSCHAKWerk:

which...mythtv doesn't work on solaris

[19:34:47]

TSCHAKWerk:

(and if it did, it would probably suck very badly performance wise)

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SpaceBass:

I'm about to order this mobo ... does it make sense to be using a c2d for myth?

[19:36:06]

sphery:

Rumor has it that the next MacOS uses ZFS.

[19:36:15]

SpaceBass:

debunked this week sphery :(

[19:36:25]

sphery:

oh, behind the times, I guess.

[19:36:32]

fryfrog:

what is c2d?

[19:36:40]

SpaceBass:

core 2 duo

[19:36:51]

fryfrog:

SpaceBass: actually, it was debunked then confirmed

[19:36:52]

Tanthrix:

I'm loving mine for HD stuff.

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fryfrog:

ZFS will be *available* but not default

[19:37:06]

SpaceBass:

really? so it will be ZFS? great!

[19:37:15]

fryfrog:

SpaceBass: I run my mythbackend *server* off a pair of duel xeon 2.4ghz w/ 1G ram

[19:37:21]

fryfrog:

it *barely* will do HD playback

[19:37:21]

sphery:

sometimes it's good to be behind the times

[19:37:34]

fryfrog:

I run my FE off a 3200+ amd64 that does HD playback okay

[19:37:49]

fryfrog:

so i'd bet *any* cheap core2duo would be fine, i wouldn't spend extra on a faster one

[19:38:00]

sphery:

I'm a big fan of throwing hardware at the frontend. Backend isn't so important to me.

[19:38:06]

SpaceBass:

I stream 1080p files off my single xeon 2.0 all the time...but the cpu runs at about 90% constantly and if my backup kicks in then the video is toast

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SpaceBass:

my frontends will continue to be MacMinis

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SpaceBass:

I've found them to be great

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fryfrog:

really, *streaming* over your network uses 90% cpu?

[19:38:44]

fryfrog:

is that smb or nfs using all the cpu time?

[19:38:57]

Tanthrix:

I grabbed the E4400 for $140 – can do 99 percent of 720P x264 with no troubles, and I expect to be able to do 1080P x264 once some multithreaded decoders come out

[19:39:07]

SpaceBass:

fryfrog, b/t the software raid, the cifs and the bloated pig that is Azureus, yeah..about 70 – 90%

[19:39:09]

sphery:

or mythbackend if not mounting remote filesystems

[19:39:28]

Tanthrix:

1080p/i MPEG2 is of course, cake.

[19:39:33]

fryfrog:

SpaceBass: that seems like oddly high cpu usage, but then I haven't streamed any 1080P :/

[19:39:42]

sphery:

Tanthrix: Janne is looking to get the multithreaded ffmpeg H.264 into Myth soon...

[19:39:49]

SpaceBass:

the only thing I have in 1080p is planet earth, but the mini churns it out just fine

[19:40:05]

SpaceBass:

fryfrog, the box is choking on something...mostly az

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Tanthrix:

sphery: I thought ffmpeg hadn't implemented that yet, and was going to this August or something

[19:40:37]

fryfrog:

but is azurus doing anything with the traffic?

[19:40:39]

Zider:

the only thing I have is Transformers trailers ;)

[19:40:44]

fryfrog:

i wouldn't imagine it has anything to do with it

[19:40:50]

TSCHAKWerk:

janneg pointed me to a blob of patches that needed to be applied to ffmpeg trunk from the last of may.

[19:41:25]

TSCHAKWerk:

and in his words, "There is progress."

[19:42:24]

Tanthrix:

I'm definately hopeful, but I think it will be a while.

[19:43:36]

TSCHAKWerk:

i'm hoping for the next round of patches from keithp for the intel 965 GPU

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** TSCHAKWerk is using a DG965WH **

[19:44:05]

TSCHAKWerk:

which is turning out to be a very good board

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** stuarta goes out to get beer **

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fryfrog:

doesn't appear you can grow raid5->raid6 at the moment

[19:46:16]

fryfrog:

and growing raid6 is/will be in 2.6.21

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sphery:

Tanthrix: regardless of when they go into ffmpeg upstream, there are patches available now that can be applied to Myth's libav*

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cal:

can i watch hd dvd's with mythtv?

[19:51:50]

mkrufky:

they dont have hd dvd drives on pc's yet, afaik

[19:52:04]

Scopeuk:

unless you count the xbox260 one

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SpaceBass:

will myth automatically compenstate for bandwidth when streaming?

[19:53:04]

TSCHAKWerk:

cal: no.

[19:54:29]

mkrufky:

"I don't know, Butchie" instead

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RyeBrye:

what's Xinerama?

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TSCHAKWerk:

RyeBrye: basically, combining two screens into a single large virtual desktop.

[19:55:32]

mkrufky:

RyeBrye: xinerama is when you have a multi-headed video card and want the two screens to function as a single desktop

[19:55:36]

RyeBrye:

ok

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TSCHAKWerk:

you can theoretically combine more

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RyeBrye:

Oh. My osx osx-packager.pl script wont complete because that lib (among others) is missing

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RyeBrye:

:(

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Mr_Grieves:

Hi, I'm running mythtv on gentoo with a hauppauge PVR-150 and everything works except the TV. I can watch videos, but when I goto "Watch TV" the screen blanks, and the console gives this output:

[19:58:11]

Mr_Grieves:

DPMS Deactivated

[19:58:11]

Mr_Grieves:

TV Error: StartRecorder() — timed out waiting for recorder to start

[19:58:41]

Mr_Grieves:

and then it's right back to the menu. Is this a known problem?

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RyeBrye:

recording TV works?

[19:59:27]

Mr_Grieves:

I haven't tried, hang on

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Lin:

hi all.

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fryfrog:

Mr_Grieves: you've screwed something up, probably related to ivtv is all

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fryfrog:

have you tested that your PVR150 is actually working?

[20:01:37]

Mr_Grieves:

Not outside of mythtv. I have a minimal installation, so no xawtv or anything. it did scan for channels correctly and only returned the ones that exist, so it must work to some extent

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fryfrog:

you can cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg

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fryfrog:

and then see if that mpg plays back

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stuarta:

my beer fault has now been rectified.

[20:02:13]

** stuarta beers himself **

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Mr_Grieves:

ok

[20:03:31]

Mr_Grieves:

that worked

[20:05:44]

Mr_Grieves:

so the tuner works, it's just not doing liveTV

[20:08:34]

Mr_Grieves:

any ideas?

[20:09:07]

cal:

so i should just buy an hd dvd drive for my 360 then ... instead of using mythtv

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TSCHAKWerk:

Mr_Grieves: check in mythtv-setup if you've got the tuner card set correctly to MPEG card instead of V4L.

[20:10:06]

TSCHAKWerk:

cal: totally up to you. some people are willing to go through more creatve hoops, than others.

[20:10:12]

mike3_:

Any cool plugins or anything for Myth?

[20:10:22]

cal:

BUT... my other question.. if i have an HD tuner in my mythtv box.. and connect to the LCD HDTV via a VGA cable... am i getting HD?

[20:10:30]

TSCHAKWerk:

mike3_: ...... do you already have mythplugins?

[20:10:32]

GreyFoxx:

mike3_: define cool :)

[20:10:45]

mike3_:

TSCHAKWerk, yah...

[20:10:54]

mike3_:

I really wish I could suspend the whole computer.

[20:10:57]

TSCHAKWerk:

mike3_: are you --enabling-all ?

[20:11:01]

mike3_:

I've had no luck what so ever with it

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TSCHAKWerk:

cal: ... in a nutshell, if your computer is set up to deliver full resolution to the LCD, then yes.

[20:12:07]

TSCHAKWerk:

cal: typically in linux, it takes some Xorg.conf luvvin to get your graphics card to output either 1366x768 (720p) or 1920x1080 (1080p/i)

[20:12:49]

TSCHAKWerk:

cal: in fact, you'll probably have more luck doing it that way, than using the HDMI/DVI connectors... it really depends on the combination of gear.

[20:13:09]

TSCHAKWerk:

cal: i suggest doing some research.

[20:14:21]

TSCHAKWerk:

of course, to everyone asking questions, the wiki is always a good spot to check.. http://wiki.mythtv.org/

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** TSCHAKWerk binds that to a key. **

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cal:

tshch: i am in the middle of all sorts of research on this right now =)

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cal:

tshch: which includes talking to you hehehe

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Mr_Grieves:

ha, that did it :) thanks!

[20:15:31]

TSCHAKWerk:

Mr_Grieves: you're welcome.

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** juski sounds a fanfare **

[20:39:03]

juski:

hear ye, hear ye! blootube-wide is re-released! download it from http://www.juski.co.uk/ if you so wish :)

[20:39:20]

** juski beers himself & give himself a large pat on the back **

[20:39:34]

** stuarta beers juski with a JD chaser **

[20:39:54]

juski:

cheers stuarta :)

[20:40:28]

stuarta:

i'm busy installing ubuntu in a vmware machine...

[20:40:32]

stuarta:

looking good :)

[20:40:37]

juski:

wooo

[20:40:48]

juski:

right, now who do I see about checking this theme in?

[20:40:49]

juski:

;)

[20:40:58]

russellb:

juski: that theme is hot

[20:40:58]

** stuarta points at juski **

[20:41:17]

juski:

stuarta: thing is though, do I *dare* ? it's still nearly 20MB

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juski:

dont wanna get a major bollocking for it

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stuarta:

doesn't hurt to get a consensus

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stuarta:

but isn't that why you got made a dev?

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juski:

yes but 20MB is a lot in this context. when talk was made of blootube being checked in I think it was just the 4:3 version people were talking about. I dunno though

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mkrufky:

dev's "get made" now? i think you're watching too much sopranos

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mkrufky:

oh, juski that just looks awesome... i must say it again

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juski:

thanks mkrufky :)

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juski:

the 4:3 version will be getting similar attention soon

[20:47:46]

mkrufky:

cool

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juski:

once I've animated the UI some more (hahahahaha)

[20:48:07]

juski:

nah theme update first

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mkrufky:

hehe

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juski:

I'm serious about having a go at that. it'll be one hell of a stretch for me but what the heck

[20:48:41]

fxfitz:

I know I've asked these questions before, but I just never got an answer: 1) How does one go about changing the default aspect ratio? 2) How do you fix the MythWeather — it's giving me garbage. :(

[20:49:16]

juski:

fxfitz: 2. you don't. unless you use mythweather-revamp

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stuarta:

mythweather is only as good as the data it downloads, which is crap

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fxfitz:

So mythweather is useless? Just start using mythweather-revamp?

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RyeBrye:

I don't think mythweather-revamp builds

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stuarta:

it's out of date IIRC

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RyeBrye:

Didn't that one get started by some google Summer-of-Code monkey and never get finished?

[20:51:53]

fxfitz:

:-P

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stuarta:

something like that

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mkrufky:

argh ... v4l/dvb forgot to set soc projects AGAIn

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mkrufky:

i swear we were talking about it last year

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fxfitz:

Anyway, any idea how to change default aspect ratio?

[20:53:58]

juski:

fxfitz: tv playback settings?

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juski:

utils/settings > setttings > tv > playback

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fxfitz:

juski, Oh blah, I skipped right over it. I was looking for 4/3 somewhere, not Off. :-P

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hads:

knowledgejunkie: Finally got to post that message to the XMLTV list, it took an age to subscribe.

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knowledgejunkie:

hads: I saw it earlier

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knowledgejunkie:

hads: it's quite a low volume list, i might send a message to the project maintainer just to sound him out and get his suggestions

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hads:

Yeah sounds like a plan. I can't see any drawbacks to adding the functionality but obviously I don't have the whole picture.

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mokkan:

ever since i compiled lirc with imon, my mythtv has been getting orange lines on the bottom of the screen :\

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blackest:

any transcoding experts about ? I want to transcode to mp3 but nuvexport says mp3 isn't available i need id3tag

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RyeBrye:

do you have libid3tag?

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RyeBrye:

or whtever provides it?

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blackest:

yes i installed the dev version when i got that problem

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blackest:

maybe the ffmpeg needs different compalation options

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RyeBrye:

hm. you probably need both the real and the dev

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RyeBrye:

dunno though

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blackest:

got both versions but i think i need to recompile with some extra switches not sure what precisely thou

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wastrel:

i got an all in wonder card in the mail

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RyeBrye:

return to sender

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RyeBrye:

;)

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ServerSage:

wastrel: On purpose?

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mkrufky:

"I don't know, Butchie" instead

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Beirdo:

or sell it on ebay to some other sucker and buy an nVidia card with the proceeds?

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wastrel:

ServerSage: it was free

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wastrel:

it came with a remote

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ServerSage:

wastrel: Then you should follow Beirdo's advice. :)

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Beirdo:

unfortunately for AIW users, it is NOT supported for capturing for mythtv and never will be until someone fixes the drivers

[22:33:07]

ServerSage:

And somebody fixing the driver is kind of unlikely any time soon.

[22:33:15]

Beirdo:

and as a display card... well, ATI cards are a pain at best, but they can work OK if you are persistent enough... or some of them can

[22:33:16]

wastrel:

Beirdo: does the tv-out work?

[22:33:21]

Beirdo:

maybe

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Beirdo:

they really aren't well supported in Linux

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wastrel:

i bought a hauppage 150 mce dealy for capture

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wastrel:

i also bought an nvidia

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wastrel:

but my friend had this aiw spare so he sent it

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

good price anyways :)

[22:34:13]

ServerSage:

And you call him a friend.

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wastrel:

it has a weird remote, any idea if i can get this working?

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Beirdo:

you'd have to read the lirc site

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wastrel:

it's not ir, it's radio i think.

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wastrel:

came with this weird usb dongle with a wire antenna

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Beirdo:

oh. THat might work

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Beirdo:

that's related to the X10 Lola remote or something like that

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Beirdo:

several people have gotten those working, IIRC

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wastrel:

hah

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wastrel:

seems to be sending keycodes

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RyeBrye:

Cute

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Beirdo:

GreyFoxx would be one of them, I think. Yeah, it shows up as a USB keyboard or soemthing like that

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wastrel:

buttons send 123456

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wastrel:

hah i typed that with the buttons

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wastrel:

the digits ;]

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|Torg|:

if it works as a keyboard then it needs no extra drivers

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wastrel:

neat :]

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Beirdo:

not sure what it was that needed adding in particular

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Beirdo:

likely for the other buttons or something

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wastrel:

efefefabab46197

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wastrel:

yeah some of the buttons send non printables it seems

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wastrel:

hah one of them locked my display

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ServerSage:

Does anybody happen to use the ivtv drivers on a dual cpu system?

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MaverickTech:

morning campers :)

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ServerSage:

Good morning Mr. MaverickTech.

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** ServerSage looks at his watch and realizes it's 3:40pm here. **

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MaverickTech:

then your watch is wrong :p

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mokkan:

does anybody here have much experience with lirc?

[22:41:18]

stuarta:

it's only morning in Aus....

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** stuarta no longer gives a shit **

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Beirdo:

heh

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ServerSage:

I didn't really want a shit anyway.

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stuarta:

it's past beer o'clock so all else is irrelevant

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MaverickTech:

anyone got any suggestions for viewing NASA TV via my myth setup (svn trunk)

[22:42:30]

wastrel:

there's a mouse part too

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stuarta:

nasa has a tv channel?

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mkrufky:

it's almost weed o'clock

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MaverickTech:

I can only stream, as I have no satellite, and it's not available in .au]

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mkrufky:

damn.,.. i keep forgetting about that logbot!

[22:43:32]

stuarta:

well there is an iptv recorder, quite how you get it to work i have no idea....

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** stuarta beers mkrufky **

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Beirdo:

it's weed o'clock all the time in Amsterdam

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mkrufky:

:-D

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mkrufky:

it's only weed o'clock during business hours if i'm working @ home that day

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|Torg|:

does anyone here compile only the bakcend from the latest trunk code?

[22:48:36]

DrMitch:

screw this, how much is a hardware tuner card? what are they pvr-250 or 150 or something?

[22:48:59]

ServerSage:

DrMitch: $120'ish for a PVR-250 I think.

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stuarta:

DrMitch: you capturing the output from a STB?

[22:49:10]

DrMitch:

what's stb?

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stuarta:

Set Top Box

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DrMitch:

no

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|Torg|:

Set Top Box, ie a cablebox or simiplar

[22:49:38]

DrMitch:

just cable jack

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stuarta:

analog or digital?

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DrMitch:

analog

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DrMitch:

i'm living in the pas

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DrMitch:

t

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DrMitch:

no hd no nothing

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DrMitch:

just standard cable

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DrMitch:

my dumbarse WINTV-44801 isn't capturing sound on most channels...still

[22:52:09]

DrMitch:

holy shizz

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DrMitch:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116620

[22:52:20]

DrMitch:

is that what i think it is?

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ServerSage:

Okay, what is the diff between the 150 and the 250?

[22:52:35]

DrMitch:

hardware tuner card for 68 bucks?

[22:52:41]

DrMitch:

i thought 150 was newer

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DrMitch:

but that might just be my memory going bad

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stuarta:

the 250 has some extra hardware shit that isn't really needed these days

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stuarta:

IIRC it's only on the output stage

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ServerSage:

So it's not something like the 150 is mono and the 250 is stereo or something stupid like that?

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stuarta:

so for capture it's no different, and the 150 is cheaper so go the 150

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DrMitch:

will that tuner card work in linux (i already know the answer but just making sure) with hardware encoding?

[22:53:59]

DrMitch:

the link i sent

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ServerSage:

And the 500 is just two 150's smashed together, right?

[22:54:02]

mkrufky:

ok, time for me to go home... l8r guys

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DrMitch:

ServerSage, yep

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stuarta:

yes, but it's normally used for capturing the output of a STB

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stuarta:

how it works for cable i have no idea

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|Torg|:

make sure its a PVR150 not a PVR150MCE

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hads:

Why?

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DrMitch:

firetruck, it is

[22:54:58]

DrMitch:

that mean it only works in windows xp mce?

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stuarta:

i thought the only difference was that 1 came with a remote and the other didn't

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|Torg|:

differtnt chip too, you need to get the newest iptv drivers

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|Torg|:

witht the older ones most times the drivers that came with your OS works

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|Torg|:

also I heard that some of the MCE cards are also software decoders

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hads:

stuarta: That's what I thought.

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xris:

|Torg|: most cards are software decoders

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** juski crosses his fingers **

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|Torg|:

I thought threre were some of the STD TV cards that did it by hardware

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|Torg|:

really I use ATSC cards, and dump the stream raw

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xris:

|Torg|: the pvr-350 did it.

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xris:

but so do most video cards these days (if the drivers support it)

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DrMitch:

i think #linuxtv is broken

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stuarta:

no they just aren't often there.

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DrMitch:

i think they're broken

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blackest:

hi i have a small transcoding issue i want to transcode to mp3 but nuvexport says mp3 is disabled any idea's why

[23:02:11]

** stuarta shrugs **

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** juski transmits a lot of file data **

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hads:

I'm sure I'm using a MCE edition card. Oh well.

[23:02:28]

juski:

blackest: your ffmpeg is crippled

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** stuarta updates just b4 juski uploads **

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** juski uses a PVR150MCE **

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blackest:

i thought it might be

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blackest:

i guess i need better source

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Beirdo:

blackest, when you tell it you want MP3 what does it say is missing?

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blackest:

id3tag

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Beirdo:

then it's not ffmpeg

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Beirdo:

get id3tag

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blackest:

i have installed both id3tag libs

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Beirdo:

it wants the id3tag BINARY

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Beirdo:

does "which id3tag" find it?

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** juski taps his foot impatiently **

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blackest:

nope

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Beirdo:

then it's either not on your path, or not installed

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blackest:

it doesnt appear to be in a repository not for ubuntu anyway

[23:05:28]

blackest:

only the lib

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|Torg|:

libid3–3.8.3-dev: /usr/bin/id3tag

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Beirdo:

strange place for it, but there ya go

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stuarta:

think i might rebuild my system with umbongo

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juski:

stuarta: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/13682

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stuarta:

aka. the changeset from hell...

[23:08:38]

wastrel:

this thing seems to be called a "remote wonder"

[23:08:38]

wastrel:

yay

[23:08:54]

bball_:

is it possible to output X through the s-video of pvr-350 ?

[23:09:12]

juski:

maybe people should be warned to only check out the 'mythtv' 'mythplugins' 'myththemes' if they don't want a hulking effing big download

[23:09:20]

juski:

bball_: yeah see www.ivtvdriver.org

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blackest:

hmm |torg| any idea where you got it from

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stuarta:

there is nothing that currently suggest downloading from <secret-new-bling-themes-dir>

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bball_:

interesting

[23:10:05]

juski:

stuarta: that's true

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Beirdo:

blackest, it's in feisty/main

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juski:

what the hey I'll do the grayhems & neon-wide too

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|Torg|:

what that package? I put it in when I installd Debian, if its changed an apt-get upgrade did it

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bball_:

juski: and the hardware MPEG-2 decoder is used to process the video ?

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juski:

bball_: yeah see www.ivtvdriver.org

[23:11:57]

juski:

bball_: but the pvr350 is long in the tooth – don't buy one new would be my advice

[23:12:25]

bball_:

are there other cards with similar capabilities ?

[23:12:42]

juski:

bball_: why? so you can use like a 200mhz cpu?

[23:13:11]

bball_:

well.. I always prefer picture quality of hardware based decoders

[23:14:04]

juski:

reasons not to buy a pvr350: 1. no digital audio output. 2. picture quality isn't _that_ much better than modern vga card TV outputs anyway 3. can't accelerate divx/xvid/anything other than mpeg2 4. mp3/ogg/flac music output has to come thru your soundcard anyway.

[23:14:07]

blackest:

hmm got edgy backend ....

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Beirdo:

blacktest: apt-cache search libid3

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juski:

bball_: nvidia cards since GF4 have had pretty good tv encoders on em.. comparable to my standalone panasonic dvd player

[23:14:43]

Beirdo:

likely a different version number in the package name, but I'm sure it's there

[23:15:10]

juski:

bball_: I'm absolutely picky about picture quality, believe me

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bball_:

also.. in my experience with vdr (not sure if this applies to myth) but channel changes are _much_ faster with hardware based mpeg deocders

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juski:

bball_: not in mythtv

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juski:

bball_: VDR isn't bufferring like mythtv does. channel surfing is for serfs anyway

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juski:

oh another thing.. no spiffy opengl UI on hardware decoding cards!

[23:16:11]

|Torg|:

how fast a card decodes only counts when you are trying to deocde it for PIDs, so for std tv it shouldnt mattter

[23:16:29]

kgreer1:

Hello Group. Can someone give me some video card advice?

[23:16:49]

juski:

and last of all – pvr350 support in mythtv might vanish someday soon – when it breaks & if nobody is around who can be bothered to fix it :)

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wastrel:

hi kgreer1. all-in-wonder doesn't work

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Beirdo:

juski: that's about the saddest statement one can make

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wastrel:

juski: what about the 150 mce

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juski:

Beirdo: if none of the devs uses a pvr350 and nobody else steps up – then it'll happen I suppose

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juski:

it's inevitable

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Beirdo:

yeah, true. But it's still sad that people won't make sure they aren't breaking other parts of the code. Not always possible, I know

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kgreer1:

not a all in wonder.... but I bought a ATI X1300 the other day.... and I can't get the xorg.conf right to get the s-video working ...

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Beirdo:

regression testing would be cool

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juski:

Beirdo: I think folks have enough on their plates as it is

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Beirdo:

dunno how the heck to do it for something like myth, especially without the devs having the hardware

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juski:

ffmpeg syncs etc

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kgreer1:

based off what I am reading on the forums everyone is saying to just go get an nvidia card. is this the best route?

[23:19:08]

fadumpt:

donate them the hardware :)

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juski:

Beirdo: I'd say leave it to atrophy

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fadumpt:

whats wrong with the pvr350?

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fadumpt:

i thought it had a lot of support in myth

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Teoz:

what should I config so that my nVdiai card outputs an interlaced signal?

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Beirdo:

maybe someone who has a spare 350 will donate it to an active dev once it stops workin

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juski:

reasons not to buy a pvr350: 1. no digital audio output. 2. picture quality isn't _that_ much better than modern vga card TV outputs anyway 3. can't accelerate divx/xvid/anything other than mpeg2 4. mp3/ogg/flac music output has to come thru your soundcard anyway. 5. no spiffy opengl UI.. ever!

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fadumpt:

and hope he active dev is an electronics nut too :)

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juski:

not to mention that composite & svideo are dinosoars

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Beirdo:

juski, no opengl is a good thing for those without god-aweful huge CPU

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Dibblah:

You missed that you can't split digital audio out.

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fadumpt:

what about the pvr250? is that any good compared to the 150?

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Dibblah:

ie no digital audio passthrough.

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juski:

fadumpt: pvr150 == newer, so better

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fadumpt:

oh okay

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Beirdo:

they are nearly the same quality wise, but the 150 is supposed to be slightly better

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fadumpt:

oh

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Beirdo:

just newer design (which means cheaper)

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kgreer1:

any thoughts? Is s-video going to be easier to configure with the Nvidia ? or should I keep messing with this ATI card?

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wastrel:

i just bought a 150 from newegg

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fadumpt:

I always thought the 350 and 250 were better :-/

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juski:

kgreer1: Nvidia

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fadumpt:

nvidia should be easier

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Beirdo:

kgreer1, the nVidia will be worth it

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juski:

sell the ATI card to some fool on ebay :)

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fadumpt:

i bought a 150 off of amazon, it was cheaper then newegg at the time I think

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Beirdo:

or toss it in a Windoze box

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Beirdo:

heh

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Dibblah:

I bought a 150 when it still had no drivers...

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juski:

blimey janneg that was fast :)

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Dibblah:

Sorta helped a little with developing them (i2c captures, etc)

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fadumpt:

cool

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juski:

Dibblah: good on yer. I was up for doing that too, but got into theming instead

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Dibblah:

From a user, not a dev point of view.

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kgreer1:

Guess I will return that ATI card tomorrow. What Nvidia should I buy? this is an older machine.... so it doesn't need to be top of the line

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janneg:

juski: I hate copying files manually

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Dibblah:

But soldering up the milksop i2c monitor was fun :)

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juski:

reminds me actually I need to sit down & do some testing on my pvr2000 OEM before the year's out

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juski:

Dibblah: not just bushound? oof

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ServerSage:

kgreer1: Any fanless nvidia will work and be silent. I have an FX5200 in my media center.

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Dibblah:

Needed Windows captures / linux...

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blackest:

fixed it :) got a couple of debs in to make it work for edgy :)

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juski:

janneg: so if I add any more themes it's easy enough just to edit line 13 of themes.pro I take it

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Teoz:

what file do I need ton config in order to tell the video card to output interlaced signals?

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janneg:

juski: yes

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juski:

Teoz: the TV out is already interlaced, but you'll need to deinterlace or enable the flicker filter in nvidia-settings :)

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|Torg|:

juski not necessarily

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kgreer1:

ServerSage, where can I find a sample xorg.conf for an s-video enabled NVidia setup?

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juski:

|Torg|: yes necessarily. if said tv out is composite or svideo it's interlaced by way of being PAL or NTSC

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ServerSage:

kgreer1: I can send you mine if you like.

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|Torg|:

I record 720P via ATSC to a HDMI with no deinterlacing at all to a tv doing 1080I just fine

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juski:

|Torg|: the difference is what the onboard TV encoder is given – and that's normally only ever progressive

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juski:

ah see I qualified what I said by specifying 'tv out' as composite/svideo :)

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Teoz:

juski: why would I deinterlace? how do I enable flicker to simulate en interlaced signal for my TV?

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bball_:

juski: yeah.. thats what I hear from moth myth users.. they don't channel surf :-)

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kgreer1:

ServerSage, did you get that msg?

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juski:

Teoz: load nvidia-settings & turn the flicker filter up to 128 :)

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bball_:

I guess its just part of my TV viewing

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ServerSage:

kgreer1: Nope.

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kgreer1:

email is kellygreer1 at yahoo dot com

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Teoz:

juski: so if I set flicker to 128, it should act as a interleaced signal and my tv should like it?

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juski:

bball_: in the time I've saved by not channel surfing I've designed 6 mythtv themes & contributed several patches, not to mention helped hundreds of users

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kgreer1:

thanks ServerSage

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juski:

Teoz: are you using composite or svideo tv out? then yes, set flicker filter to 128

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ServerSage:

kgreer1: Sent, and no problem.

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juski:

Teoz: I do that and I no longer need to set mythtv to deinterlace – nvidia fx5200 svideo output :)

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Teoz:

juski: Im using S-video

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ServerSage:

kgreer1: It should work with any nvidia card, but I'm using a FX5200.

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Teoz:

juski: all right then, I'll try flicker to 128

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Teoz:

juski: thx

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juski:

Teoz: you'll have to set nvidia-settings to load the same settings every time X starts. see http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Overscan & the part about nvidia-settings -l

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kgreer1:

ss, i'll have to see what compusa has Nvidia wise.... man, wish I had researched this before I bought this damn ATI card. has been nothing but trouble.

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bball_:

juski: last time I tried mythtv was 0.14.. thinking about giving it another try

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juski:

bball_: stop thinking about it already

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bball_:

hehe

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ServerSage:

kgreer1: ATI and linux are kind of like oil and water.

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ServerSage:

Only they don't mix as well.

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juski:

bball_: how many linux media centre apps have gui themes as spiffy as http://juski.co.uk/blootube-wide.html ? ;)

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** juski shrinks his head back to normal size **

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ServerSage:

juski: You're like an ego driven super salesman.

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** ServerSage bows before zod, aka Juski. **

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juski:

is that a good or a bad thing?

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|Torg|:

so whats so bad about ATI cards? I have one in my backend it runs fine

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ServerSage:

juski: Every church needs a minister. ;)

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ServerSage:

Or priest, or rabi, or whatever I suppose.

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kgreer1:

never had issues before until I tried this s-video stuff. maybe this is cheating... but has anyone ever tried the Apple DVI to s-video $19.99 cable?

[23:36:18]

juski:

come to my temple.. er I mean LRL on July 7th & 8th at The Lighthouse, Wolverhampton & hear me preach! lol

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juski:

kgreer1: it's not proper DVI to svideo

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juski:

apple can output svideo on their dvi port, is all

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ServerSage:

Amen oh Rabi Pastor Minister juski!

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ServerSage:

kgreer1: Give Nvidia a chance. :)

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juski:

ServerSage: Rabid PM ?

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kgreer1:

gotcha .... i thought it might not be sraight DVI thing

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ServerSage:

kgreer1: Don't let ATI pee in your sandbox.

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ServerSage:

juski: hehe.

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ServerSage:

Seems the religious tension in the room made everybody go silent. ;)

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Teoz_:

juski: last question, isn't there a way to have a preconfigured commnand, a parameter to change from progressive to interlaced , a line to add somewhere, something?

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kgreer1:

sorry one more hardware recommendation request.... what would you guys suggest as far as wireless mouse and keyboard?

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bball_:

jusk: very nice :-)

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ServerSage:

kgreer1: Logitech, logitech, and umm, logitech. :)

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Beirdo:

and maybe even Logitech

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juski:

Teoz_: mythtv should autodetect which sort of scan is needed — i.e. progressive vs interlaced

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** ServerSage hugs his logitech keyboard **

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rustalot:

How do I set up mythtv ? I mean, can you point me to a step-by-step walkthrough?

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ServerSage:

rustalot: www.mythtv.org/wiki/

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juski:

rustalot: RTFM at www.mythtv.org & the wiki therein

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juski:

:)

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ServerSage:

Seems so obvious...

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juski:

rustalot: also not a bad idea to find a howto for the distro you use :)

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kgreer1:

thanks group! and serversage! gotta grab some grub now..... hungry

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ServerSage:

No problem kgreer1. L8r.

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|Torg|:

1) install linux, 2) set up drivers for hardware, 3) svn mythtv and mythpklugins, compile, 4) configure myth

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janneg:

juski: should blootubelite-wide use the same (but smaller) watermarks as blootube-wide?

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juski:

janneg: no

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rustalot:

juski: The guide for Ubuntu, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty , will work fine with Xubuntu, right?

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janneg:

ok, I understood your commit message so

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juski:

rustalot: Xubuntu feisty, probably

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juski:

janneg: well, the themes are the same apart from the watermarks. the lite-wide version's watermarks are much smaller

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|Torg|:

janneg did you change something in the configure file for mythtv that made it think I wanted to use directX, I had to implicity turn it off

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Teoz:

so, in conclusion, if mythtv doesn't autodetect interlaced needs, I should change nvidia-settings flicker to 128 and it should be all cool

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juski:

Teoz_: just set the flicker filter anyway

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juski:

Teoz_: you know how on channels with sideways scrolling text & lots of fast action like sports? if you don't enable deinterlacing in mythtv they look horrible. but if you set the flicker filter to 128 or so, they look great – all without having to change a mythtv setting

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janneg:

|Torg|: there was an error which activated it regardless of its status

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Teoz:

all right then! so flicker to 128 it is. why that number anyways, doesn'T seem to mean something

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|Torg|:

ok I svnd 13680 and checked the logs to see what was changed, but there was no mention of it being fixed

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MindHack:

where would arts support be defined in mythfrontend? Paassthrough audio device has "default" and ALSA, but nothing else. Is there a particular package I need in debian etch to use arts?

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juski:

Teoz_: means half way. under that isn't quite enough, more than that it starts to soften the video too much

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janneg:

juski: just to be sure:it is correct that blootubelite-wide uses the old watermarks? rainbow colours for "Appearance" for example

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juski:

janneg: yes, they're yet to be updated fully, but I can take my time with that

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juski:

I plan to update all the watermarks eventually so they all use common base graphics

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juski:

makes for easier maintenance :)

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juski:

esp. when one watermark can take 4 hours to mess about with until I'm happy

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janneg:

juski: ok. blootubelite-wide's preview picture is wrong though. it has the same as blootube-wide

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