Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, June 8th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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fadumpt_:

okay from the looks of the filldatabase command, it tried to download and couldn't find anything

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fadumpt_:

channel frequency table is set wrong?

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Anduin:

fadumpt_: That doesn't change the download

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blackest:

killaz tried this link http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto

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fadumpt_:

okay

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fadumpt_:

that just affects what it downloads?

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Anduin:

fadumpt_: Not that either, that changed what "channel 2" is

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fadumpt_:

oh...okay

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fadumpt_:

is there a way to clear the database then?

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fadumpt_:

right now all i get is unknown from the Program Guide

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Anduin:

fadumpt_: which could mean you DB is just empty

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Anduin:

r

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killaz:

blackest the thing is I'm capturing. But I'm capturing noise.. So I'm trying to tune the card so I can see some images

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blackest:

what distro are you running

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piksi:

hmm, dvbscan and tzap find my dvb-t channels but in mythtv-setup scanning channels goes through and returns an empty list – what's wrong ?

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rogue780|mythsrv:

for some reason, when I'm trying to watch a show it is playing back at what seems to be 3x normal time....super fast, but the timestretch is set to 1x. can someone help me please?

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Anduin:

rogue780|mythsrv: do you have 'use video as timebase' set?

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rogue780|mythsrv:

Anduin, yes

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Anduin:

rogue780|mythsrv: Does disabling it fix this?

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rogue780|mythsrv:

Anduin, I can't imagine how it happened....it'd been running well for quite some time until I unwittingly murdered the server...so I reloaded the server from an image I had made when I first put it together....and now it's screwy

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rogue780|mythsrv:

Anduin, I tried enabling it to fix the problem

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rogue780|mythsrv:

Anduin, I'm going to be back in a moment...I'm resetting the server to see if that is the cause...and this is the server

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rogue780|mythsrv:

Anduin, I'm back

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rogue780|mythsrv:

Anduin, server reset didn't help

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rogue780|mythsrv:

didn't think it would

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kharan5876:

i currently have my frontend configured with the wrong ip address for the backend, how can I change it? whenever I run mythfrontend it just keeps telling me it cannot connect ot the database

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rogue780|mythsrv:

I've got a frontend where when I watch anything it plays it super super fast (about 3x). This happened a few days after I reloaded the server. When I run mythfrontend on another computer, it is fine. I can't figure out what is wrong. the timestretch is set to 1x. can someone please help me?

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rogue780|mythsrv:

kharan5876, what distro are you using?

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kharan5876:

gentoo

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kharan5876:

ive changed /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt to the right hostname but it doesnt work

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rogue780|mythsrv:

hmm...haven't used gentoo....but try ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt and /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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rogue780|mythsrv:

well I guess try ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt then

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kharan5876:

ahh that was it

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kharan5876:

home directory

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kharan5876:

thanks

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rogue780|mythsrv:

no prob

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my2keh:

anyone have any templates/skins for mythweb?

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my2keh:

not too chatty!

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rogue780|mythsrv:

my2keh, any ideas on why a frontend would be playing stuff super fast when the timestretch is set to only 1x, and everything works fine on other computers that I try?

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my2keh:

good question! I'm pretty new to this

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my2keh:

heh

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rogue780|mythsrv:

my2keh, what distro are you using?

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my2keh:

i set it up with knoppmyth

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rogue780|mythsrv:

AH

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rogue780|mythsrv:

oops..caps

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rogue780|mythsrv:

well I got my problem fixed...I turned on deinterlacing and open gl syncing thing,...now it works.

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Anduin:

rogue780|mythsrv: which sync were you using before?

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my2keh:

anyone ever get this error "Preview Error: Previewer file ...is not valid"?

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fadumpt_:

okay, if my program guide database is empty, how do I fill it up?

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fadumpt_:

exit

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killaz:

hmm I tried alost everything and still I see only static comming out of my PVR-150

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killaz:

Im really out of idea the problem can be anything..... anyone has experienced had troubles in the past too with there card? Mine is showing only static (noise)

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fadumpt_:

okay, mythfilldatabase doesn't seem to be connecting to the mysqldatabase

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fadumpt_:

my front and back end are the same, a troubleshooting thing said that could be an initial problem

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fadumpt_:

but I fixed the mysql.txt issue (i think)

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killaz:

I have some problem configuring ivtv. Maybe you can help me. Where is the hot plug directory for the firmware

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killaz:

what is the location?

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killaz:

I'm getting this error: [17179596.236000] ivtv0: unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw (must be 376836 bytes)

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killaz:

[17179596.236000] ivtv0: did you put the firmware in the hotplug firmware directory?

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camrdale:

mine is /lib/firmware/

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rogue780|mythsrv:

Anduin, I didn't have the open gl thing on at all...previously it had given me problems. go figure

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killaz:

camrdale: what distro

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camrdale:

Debian

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killaz:

I have Ubuntu

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camrdale:

should be same, no

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killaz:

I dont get it then. I coldbooting again..

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killaz:

I'm cold booting the machine again

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killaz:

ivtv is giving me this error/wwarning in dmesg: tuner 0–0061: tuner type not set

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knowledgejunkie:

killaz: is it set to autodetect or have you specified a tuner in /etc/modprobe.conf?

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camrdale:

what is the purpose of the duplicate flag in the oldrecorded table?

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camrdale:

"The new oldrecorded.duplicate field is used flag entries that should be considered for duplicate detection. Uninteresting entries are deleted automatically after 60 days."

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camrdale:

what are "uninteresting" entries?

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camrdale:

some of my previously recorded shows are being re-recorded, but only if their duplicate flag is 0

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camrdale:

if I set the duplicate flag to 1, they aren't re-recorded

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camrdale:

is that normal?

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** Dr_willis has no idea **

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Dr_willis:

:)

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Dr_willis:

but at least ya know that someone is awake in here heh .

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camrdale:

thanks Dr_willis :)

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Dr_willis:

im wondering how to convert some .flv videos to avi so i can play them on my gp2x

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Dr_willis:

googling some info now. :)

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hads:

ffmpeg

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Dr_willis:

yep.. looking for somthing a bit more idiot friendly :) Cool found an online converter.

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clever:

there seems fixed now

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fadumpt_:

I can't seem to get program lineups to show up in the Guide and I haven't been able to find a fix on the 'net yet...any ideas or sites?

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keith_:

is there a specific channel for ivtv discussion?

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keith_:

... is anyone awake?

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fadumpt_:

i dont think so

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keith_:

i'm trying to find out if this problem ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/devel/35651 ) is an ivtv bug or a hardware problem

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fadumpt_:

sorry can't help you there

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fadumpt_:

but do you know anything about program lineups not showing up?

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keith_:

did they ever show up?

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fadumpt_:

for me? no

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fadumpt_:

I've tried a few things and tried mythfilldatabase after everything

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fadumpt_:

but the program guide is filled with "unknown"

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keith_:

odd

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fadumpt_:

when the filldatabase command runs, it doesn't find anything to download, like it says everything is up to date

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keith_:

you have an active account with whatever that website is that has the listings?

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fadumpt_:

I signed up for it and put in my login information into mythtv

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fadumpt_:

that would give an error in the filldatabase right?

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fadumpt_:

login failed or some such

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keith_:

probably

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keith_:

what's /var/log/mythtv/mythtv.log say?

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fadumpt_:

one second, i'll start the bloke back up

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Anduin:

the log would be in the mythfilldatabase log if you are running it via the housekeeper

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fadumpt_:

here's an interesting entry: Can't connect to local MySQL database through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)

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fadumpt_:

but it did end up connecting to the mythconverg database

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fadumpt_:

just took it a while i guess

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fadumpt_:

that's in mythbackend.log

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fadumpt_:

is it possible that something with knoppmyth is causing the problem?

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fadumpt_:

like conflicting with it?

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Dagmar:

Ask the #Knoppmyth people.

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Dagmar:

They're the ones who built it.

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fadumpt_:

I'll try there then, thanks

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media_:

Is there a way using myth's telnet port daemon to execute a system command such as "eject" or send general keyboard commands to say xine that is being used for playing back dvd's?

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czth__:

from where?

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killaz:

In the dmesg I see this warning: [17180201.108000] tuner 0–0061: tuner type not set, how can I set the tuner? I have a PVR-150.

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media_:

czth__ was that to me?

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czth__:

yes.

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czth__:

you should be able to telnet in and run any command you like. i regularly ssh in and burn DVDs from the other room.

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media_:

My goal is to be able to telnet in and issue an eject or "p" keypress event to play/pause xine

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media_:

czth__ telnet into myth's remote port (6546) and do these things

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czth__:

talking to xine is more difficult, i'm not sure of the interface (but i'm pretty sure there is one, google around)

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media_:

czth__ K, thanks

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LoneShadow:

anyone stream thier mp3s on the web ? is that podcasting ?

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killaz:

somewhere they say that I need to pathc my kernel for this message "tuner type not set" to leave

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LoneShadow:

There is no plugin like MythStreamTV to stream mp3s ?

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killaz:

somewhere they say that I need to pathc my kernel for this message "tuner type not set" to leave

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Dagmar:

Don't bother repeating incoherent statements

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Dagmar:

We've no idea who "they" are...

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Dagmar:

We have no idea where "somewhere" is...

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Dagmar:

...and you've not provided us any information about how or where "tuner type not set" is appearing

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Dagmar:

I can only guess your real problem is that you're trying to use one of those nasty framegrabber cards

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killaz:

Dagmar: I said ealeier I have a PVR-150.

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killaz:

earlier*

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Dagmar:

So upgrade to the latest 2.6.x kernel and the latest ivtv driver

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Dagmar:

...or at least 2.6.18

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samesame:

is there a 'mythtv' package for redhat enterpise server?

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hads:

There is bound to be a package search tool.

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samesame:

yes there is :)

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samesame:

http://atrpms.net/dist/el5/mythtv/

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hads:

Umm, OK.

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simcop2387:

sounds a little excessive to me but oh well

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samesame:

its for education, i want to learn more about redhat and one day do the rhel exams

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Dagmar:

Running MmythTV really isn't going to further that goal.

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samesame:

i will use that box to run other stuff including webserver, mailserver, squid, etc

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samesame:

as well as mythtv, the box will stay on 24.7

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Dagmar:

...and we will laugh at you.

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Dagmar:

MythTV needs a box to itself.

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samesame:

why? :-(

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samesame:

erally?

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samesame:

really?

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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samesame:

jeeze why?

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samesame:

i had zoneminder and mythtv running together and it seemed ok

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Dagmar:

Because everyone loves using crappy framegrabber cards which require the machine be entirely focused on recording video to the exclusion of all else.

[07:30:01]

Dagmar:

...and you're talking about loading it up with a bunch of shit

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samesame:

i see

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Dagmar:

Buy a piece of crap machine to run that other stuff

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samesame:

ok

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clever:

yeah i had to make a dedicated commflagging box to lessen the load on my frame grabber crap:P

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Dagmar:

200Mhz PII can run all that other stuff

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hads:

It doesn't require a machine to itself.

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samesame:

dam my dream has now gone out the window :-(

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Dagmar:

...and squid by itself can eat up more RAM than you ever thought possible

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Dagmar:

Squid is a BASTARD about using up RAM

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samesame:

my mythtv box is a pentium 3.2 HT + 1 gig ram

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hads:

If it's just a small LAN then you'll have no trouble running a web server and mail server on the same box.

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samesame:

yes its only a small home lan

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Dagmar:

hads: You get to handle his questions about "why does my box keep dropping frames" then

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samesame:

very very light load

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Dagmar:

...and I will say one last time... Squid should be entirely out of the question

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samesame:

ok

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samesame:

how about postfix mail server?

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hads:

Each to their own opinion.

[07:33:23]

samesame:

zoneminder seemed to run ok last time with mythtv running

[07:34:05]

samesame:

dam i feel depressed now

[07:36:17]

samesame:

i dont understand how mythtv could skip frames if something else is running?

[07:36:26]

Dagmar:

Very easily.

[07:36:32]

Dagmar:

It's doing things _other_ than recording

[07:36:41]

Dagmar:

Miss a frame and it's gone

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samesame:

isnt that down the the processor?

[07:36:58]

Dagmar:

Where do you think your other processes are running? In the mouse?

[07:37:41]

samesame:

but my processor has hyper threading meaning it can work on 2 things at once

[07:38:01]

Dagmar:

"can"

[07:38:13]

Dagmar:

It doesn't guarantee that they'll be scheduled the way you want them to be

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samesame:

ok

[07:38:29]

Dagmar:

...and it doesn't mean the machine can't be bogged by one CPUs work

[07:39:19]

samesame:

i guess it depends on how much of a load on the system the other processes are causing

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samesame:

instead of redhat enterprise server i may as well just stick FC7 and MythTV only on the box

[07:49:59]

samesame:

OR i could use redhat enterprise server to run mythtv in xen and run other processors on another xen

[07:50:08]

samesame:

2 virtual machines

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clever:

not shure how mythtv would access the video input cards from within a vm

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sebrock:

anyone here knows when Hauppauge stared with samsung tuners on the PVR-500?

[08:45:18]

anykey__:

last year I think

[08:45:28]

anykey__:

but iirc the issues are fixed

[08:51:32]

Dagmar:

They are

[08:56:06]

sebrock:

so no problem in buying a samsung tuner pvr-500 then??

[09:04:05]

Zider:

if they're out of stock you would have a problem buying it ;)

[09:07:20]

Dagmar:

If pirates are attacking the deparment store it could be a problem.

[09:08:04]

directhex|work:

or marmosets. they're right buggers in a fight

[09:08:16]

Dagmar:

Nasty sharp teeth they have

[09:08:39]

directhex|work:

big... sharp... pointy... teef!

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Zider:

:D

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sebrock:

ow com on... samsung tuners are from 2006?

[09:26:34]

Dagmar:

Yep, and they already work with ivtv just fine.

[09:28:16]

sebrock:

tnx Dagmar

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hugolp:

Hi

[09:30:01]

hugolp:

found this http://www.mcubed-store.com/catalog/product_i . . . ducts_id=179

[09:30:16]

hugolp:

but I dont know if 280W will be enough for my setup

[09:30:21]

hugolp:

can anybody give advice?

[09:31:04]

anykey__:

hugolp: what are your specs?

[09:33:55]

hugolp:

would like to have a hd as well

[09:38:25]

aragorn001:

hi there, I hope someone can clarify this for me. I'm using an iBook and Front Row runs things a bit too choppy. Now I was wondering: is it possible to use the mythtv-frontend just to play local video files? through vlc preferrably, Quicktime bogs everything down

[09:39:11]

clever:

mythvideo(plugin) can play files that mythtv didnt record

[09:39:32]

clever:

and each filetype can be set to use either the internal the default or a custom player

[09:39:52]

clever:

so you can using that plugin make the default player vlc and then it will use that for most files

[09:40:56]

aragorn001:

so i do not need a backend just to play video?

[09:41:13]

clever:

mythfrontend may be a bit upset about the backend not running

[09:41:26]

clever:

and mythvideo/mythfrontend will ned the mysql working just to work

[09:43:13]

aragorn001:

ok, nothing I can't handle than ;) thanks for resolving this!

[09:43:26]

clever:

:)

[09:44:10]

hads:

Umm, yeah, there's likely other stuff that would suit better.

[09:45:28]

anykey__:

hugolp: I don't know I can only speak of my server (9x HDD, AMD x2 4200 EE, 1 GB Ram, PVR-500), that takes about 160 watts in idle and about 200 when under load

[09:46:10]

clever:

i dont have any external metters for that

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clever:

but my laptop can spit out a current reading of its draw when its running on batery

[09:47:32]

hugolp:

anykey__: thats 9 hard drives? then I should be fine

[09:47:51]

anykey__:

hugolp: yes, nine hard drives

[09:47:59]

hugolp:

anykey__: do you know on average how much a sata2 hard drive can consume?

[09:48:58]

anykey__:

hugolp: I think about 10 watt, but I don't really know

[09:50:16]

hugolp:

ok

[09:50:26]

hugolp:

thanks

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Dagmar:

hugolp: Google for "power supply calculator" and you'll find a ton of CGIs that tell you these things

[09:59:10]

Dagmar:

Mainly you want to worry about _peak_ consumption, not average.

[09:59:32]

Dagmar:

...particularly since these things tend to be using peak consumption during spin-up

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hugolp:

ok Dagmar will do

[10:05:54]

Dibblah:

hugolp: It's 8–12w at idle.

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juski:

HDDs are mostly guilty of eating 2A on 12V, and up to 1.5A on 5V rails during spinup.. so (2*12) + (1.5*5) = 26.5W per HDD spinning up. Call it 30W per HDD to be safe

[10:09:23]

hads:

Yeah, 9 is a bit excessive :)

[10:09:33]

juski:

I know, cos the company I work for has been bit by "oh just shove another 750GB HDD in there"

[10:11:19]

juski:

then "muhhh.. the PSU is crapping out... muhhhhhh". Yes, it only has a 65W PSU, so you expect it to power 2 massive HDDs spinning up AND the main board? you didn't read the results of the qualification tests did you hmm? Idiots

[10:11:20]

SiD3WiNDR:

9 = excessive?

[10:11:36]

SiD3WiNDR:

65W is a really tiny PSU heh

[10:11:46]

juski:

our DVRs don't need much

[10:12:44]

juski:

if it's any use to you to know, we've got a box with 5 sata HDDs, and it copes with a 200W PSU. But then it doesn't have a massive Intel or AMD CPU eating 70W or a VGA card eating 150W

[10:13:07]

adante:

hm, you could have offered more constructive criticism, let telling him to install a crank on his hdd's :]

[10:13:30]

juski:

adante: you can't tell marketing people anything when they're not listening

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hads:

Sounds like something Dagmar would say :)

[10:14:09]

juski:

they've even been guilty of trying to spec extra stuff when there's not even room in the box damnit

[10:14:30]

juski:

I mean making claims the software will never live up to is one thing..

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adante:

unlike us mere mortals, the awesome power of marketing people is not constrained by trivial issues like time and space

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juski:

lol

[10:16:13]

adante:

home time anyhoo

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Dagmar:

or "factual accuracy"

[10:54:37]

Dagmar:

Mostly I think the problem is that middle managers don't beat the marketing team enough

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Dagmar:

Left to their own devices, they will start telling customers that they can sell them a product that can protect their network against meteor strikes.

[10:56:10]

Dagmar:

...even if you just sell firewalls.

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Dagmar:

...or cat food

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clever:

would it be posible to search zap2it or similar for any cable provider where 24==discovery channel

[11:07:29]

clever:

too many providers in the area by zipcoe

[11:08:50]

Dagmar:

not really

[11:09:00]

clever:

:(

[11:09:05]

Dagmar:

Suck it up

[11:09:08]

clever:

lol

[11:09:10]

Dagmar:

It can't be more than a dozen

[11:09:32]

clever:

can i say grab channels from an existing source and stick them in a second list?

[11:09:46]

clever:

so i have a second source with certain channels?

[11:10:06]

clever:

so i can just build a channel listing using channels from another source

[11:10:15]

Dagmar:

Just use zap2it

[11:11:03]

Dagmar:

Not really.

[11:11:06]

Dagmar:

wrong channel

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clever:

:(

[11:11:38]

clever:

what channel then?

[11:12:59]

juski:

#clever maybe?

[11:13:01]

Dagmar:

No, I mean I typed that to the wrong channel

[11:13:09]

Dagmar:

You really need to stop making things hard for yourself.

[11:13:18]

clever:

juski: lol

[11:13:38]

clever:

im in a hotel

[11:13:44]

clever:

they may have there own messed up listing

[11:14:56]

Dagmar:

Oh mosts certainly they do.

[11:15:00]

juski:

when you live with your folks it's like living in a hotel. only they don't change the sheets as often

[11:15:06]

Dagmar:

Zap2it isn't going to have hotel lineups

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clever:

but i can probly just grab the individual channels i want and shove them into a custom lineup

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xanium4332:

hi all

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Dagmar:

Yeah, and you should be able to do that through Zap2it, when I was last looking at it

[11:18:03]

clever:

but i dont remember my zap2it pw

[11:18:13]

clever:

and mythtv-setup is taking forever to load the page that shows it

[11:19:24]

clever:

finaly the wget got past 10 bytes

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xanium4332:

hi all

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cewanf:

Good day!

[11:37:43]

cewanf:

I am trying to setup another frontend to access my mythtv frontend/backend remotely

[11:37:52]

cewanf:

anyone feel like helping? :-)

[11:38:56]

cewanf:

my main question is, where in the frontend do I type in the server settings?

[11:40:07]

cewanf:

hmm, not so much action here maybe...

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directhex|work:

backend settings come from the database

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directhex|work:

which is defined on first-run or in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt or ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

[11:42:06]

juski:

save the cheerleader, save the world!

[11:42:21]

juski:

er.. I mean find the database, find the backend server :)

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directhex|work:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0179116/ ?

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juski:

looks like fun. wonder if the local shop has it

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cewanf:

okey, thanks directhex|work!

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xanium4332:

Anyone got any recommendations for a good full ATX HTPC case

[11:58:30]

xanium4332:

I've been trying to find one

[11:58:39]

xanium4332:

but they all look 'tacky'

[11:59:27]

xanium4332:

Silverstone's 16M doesnt get a very good review, Zalman's HD160 looks gud, but it's a bit pricy (which is the one I'll get if I can't find a better one)

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Dagmar:

They don't actually make that many of them

[12:00:36]

xanium4332:

I know

[12:00:38]

Dagmar:

...because generally ATX winds up in a desktop form factor just fine

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xanium4332:

loads are mini-ITX, or microATX (which I used to have)

[12:01:00]

xanium4332:

But I need a new case for a fullATX mobo

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Dagmar:

Go for something scary

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xanium4332:

Yeah but this needs to sit under the TV, in full view

[12:01:36]

xanium4332:

there's no cabinets to hide it in

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xanium4332:

juski: ok

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juski:

xanium4332: what?! you mean you don't want some kind of behemothic wardrobe sized box?! ;)

[12:03:01]

xanium4332:

it's out of stock

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juski:

xanium4332: but looking at the likes of the hipermedia chassis, it might be ok with a modern cpu & cooler. it wasn't ok with an athlon 2000xp that's for sure!

[12:04:23]

xanium4332:

I have one (almost identical) sitting next to me, but water cooled

[12:04:28]

Dagmar:

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/dire . . . 53_268441612 is the case I have as my primary devel desktop. Same innards. Large, but _great_ insides

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xanium4332:

It also needs to look somewhat like a HTPC, as I talk to people about Myth a lot and it's gud for presentation

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xanium4332:

I think it'll be the Zalman

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juski:

projectgrayhem-wide is getting overhauled now :) www.juski.co.uk/newmusic.png

[12:06:18]

juski:

xanium4332: you'll need mythtv case badges then :P

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anykey__:

juski: nice

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xanium4332:

yeh

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xanium4332:

thats a good point

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juski:

now if only some nice guy made some & had some for sale

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xanium4332:

maybe one large enough to cover the zalman branding, thats the only thing that turns me off the case apart from the £££

[12:06:54]

anykey__:

xanium4332: I'm using the Silverstone LC17, quite a good case..

[12:07:10]

L_Neves:

Hi. I need some "on-the-fly" de-esser or equalizer to deal with my TV card's sibilance issues. My TV card's audio output is connected to my audio card's mic input, which is managed by ALSA. Do you have any suggestions?

[12:07:13]

xanium4332:

Yeah I had an Silverstone LC11M for my microATX

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juski:

L_Neves: dump the crappy framegrabber

[12:07:52]

juski:

hang on! MIC INPUT?!

[12:07:59]

juski:

MIC INPUT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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xanium4332:

u prob. want to use line in at least

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juski:

you want the LINE input

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juski:

1. mic inputs are mono. 2. mic inputs want to see about 10 millvolts. tuner cards might put out a thousand times more than that

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xanium4332:

3. Mic inputs are for mics

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xanium4332:

:P

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juski:

line or cd inputs are stereo. line inputs are happy with LINE level signals :)

[12:10:03]

juski:

sibilance would be the least of your worries using a mic input with a line level signal. noise & distortion would be trouble too

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L_Neves:

ok, since my TV cable is mono, I have no problems using my MIC input. besides, using the MIC input, I can use alsamixer's +20dB boost, which line input doesn't have. and using the Line input doesn't fix this sibilance problem anyway

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juski:

you do not NEED 20dB of boost for a tuner card output

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directhex|work:

juski, try a brick wall

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juski:

dump the crappy framegrabber for one with a better tuner.

[12:13:28]

L_Neves:

actually I don't see any diferences between Line In and Mic without the 20dB boost... they sound the same using the same volume on both my onboard chip and my Creative Ensoniq

[12:13:40]

juski:

using LADSPA plugins to correct for audio issues is going to be complex for you

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Dagmar:

Wow you are deaf

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xanium4332:

depends how much u charge yourself for an hour of work

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Dagmar:

...or your line input device is fried

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Dagmar:

Output from framegrabber cards is typically line level tho

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directhex|work:

ensoniq? a low-quality turn of the millenium card?

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Dagmar:

Don't plug that into the mic port. It's bad for the circuitry

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L_Neves:

ok, I've plugged it into the Line In... no difference at all

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juski:

now go to a shop & buy a better tuner card – one with a decent audio stage in its tuner

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L_Neves:

I wish that were an option... but I can't spend more money on TV cards

[12:17:46]

juski:

or it could be that you've selected the wrong tuner option & it's not being de-emphasised properly. debugging that will be trick though

[12:17:56]

juski:

*tricky, even

[12:18:16]

juski:

did you spend money on the card in the first place? I'd want my money back

[12:18:45]

juski:

yell "the sound quality SUCKS" at them. but that's just my way

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xanium4332:

who makes the framegrabber

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L_Neves:

well... in Brazil hardware is a bit more expensive than in Europe or the USA... Real's exchange rate against the Dollar compared to PPP is about 170%... this means that a TV card (which is imported from China) bought here costs about 70% more than on other countries... that's why I bought this shitty card :)

[12:21:32]

L_Neves:

it's a Pixelview PlayTV Pro Ultra

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gbee:

ok, well can't blame you for that

[12:22:51]

juski:

I had a pixelview playtv pro... it was gashness

[12:23:14]

juski:

I got it given to me & I still wanted my money back!

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L_Neves:

since my TV card's audio output is connected directly to my audio card, is the cx88 module doing any audio processing? or is my Pixelview the only one to blame?

[12:24:52]

juski:

got any active speakers? plug them directly into the tuner card

[12:25:01]

juski:

that'd tell ya

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Dagmar:

Oh sweet jesus

[12:25:53]

Dagmar:

I have got to get the hell out of this office the moment my shift ends

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juski:

it'd maybe be worth looking into the de-emphasis options if the tuner has any. some do

[12:26:38]

juski:

audio is EQ'd before transmission in analogue tv. the tuner needs to remove the EQ at the other end

[12:26:50]

juski:

happens in radio too FYI

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L_Neves:

I will try to plug in active speakers later; haven't got them here now

[12:27:54]

L_Neves:

where can I find these de-emphasis options?

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juski:

if the tuner is running on the wrong video standard, it could affect the audio but not the picture – some video standards have the same picture timing etc but different audio options

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Dagmar:

This is perfect tornado weather, and due to all the construction on campus, the damn tornadoes will come after all those trailers

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juski:

L_Neves: this might be one for #v4l

[12:29:46]

L_Neves:

and this sibilance thing only occurs on a few channels... the ones I watch the most :)

[12:30:13]

Dagmar:

Hmm... Brazil

[12:30:26]

Dagmar:

I blame the drug lords

[12:31:25]

L_Neves:

thanks for the help; I'll try #v4l for further information

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juski:

one thing – do the same channels sound ok on a TV?

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juski:

worldwide broadcasters aren't renowned for their stunning technical standards

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Dagmar:

If you're watching PrideTV that lisping sound is normal.

[12:34:20]

Dagmar:

Craaap. A highly electrically active storm system, too.

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Dagmar:

21,000+ lightning strikes out of it in the last hour

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L_Neves:

yes, they sound fine on my TV

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Zider:

Dagmar: nice

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I'm kinda glad I own a ludicrous number of UPSes

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Zider:

;)

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Zider:

I own none

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Dagmar:

You would definitely want some for living in the Tennessee Valley

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Zider:

hehe

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Zider:

haven't had a power shortage in several years

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Dagmar:

Oh I'm not talking about power shortages.

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Dagmar:

I'm talking about very brief, very intense, power surpluses.

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Zider:

well, power fluctuations in either way ;)

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Dagmar:

I've had wiring in the wall fry before and my lights didn't even flicker

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Dagmar:

The UPSes had to _tell_ me that the house had sustained damaage

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Zider:

only my lights flicker when I power up the ol' TV and amplifier :P

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gbee:

the most protection I have are surge protectors on the computers and TV – some of the wiring in the house dates back to when it was built in the 1920s

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Zider:

eww

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Dagmar:

Wow

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Zider:

this is built in the '60s

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Dagmar:

That would just burst into flame, wouldn't it?

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gbee:

the fuses are the now defunct wire-type – no RCDs

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Dagmar:

keee rist

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Zider:

RCD?

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Dagmar:

I don't think I could live there and sleep at night

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/newmusic.png – refeshski :)

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juski:

gbee: ouch. will you make it to LRL? ;)

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juski:

gbee: btw you liking the look of the new music screen so far?

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gbee:

Dagmar: some sort of fabric coated stuff, but after 80 years that has rotted and when I recently replaced a section of it just disintegrated in the walls leaving just bare copper

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Dagmar:

OOO! IT'S WEBZ 2.o!

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Dagmar:

gbee: Exactly. F-i-r-e h-a-z-a-r-d

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juski:

Zider: residual current device. an imbalance between the L&N currents cuts off the power

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hads:

You guys worry too much nothing wrong with '20s stuff

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Dagmar:

hads: Other than it's one field mouse away from busting into flames?

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Zider:

juski: like those flip switch type thingies?

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juski:

Zider: yup

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juski:

trips :)

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Zider:

ah.. never had any of those

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gbee:

which is why I'm slowly replacing it – not easy as these are solid walls, not cavity stuff – the wire runs under the plaster

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Dagmar:

Oh even better

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Zider:

everywhere I've lived there's those screw-in fuse thingies

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Dagmar:

So the smoldering can go on for an hour or two and build up a good intra-wall fire before you know about it

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gbee:

juski: love it

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juski:

Dagmar: what's more important here? gbee's personal safety or the tickets he's closing down? :-P

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anykey__:

juski: nice music theme, where will you put the visulisation? =)

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juski:

anykey__: I dunno yet. prolly on its own panel to the right of the track info

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Dagmar:

juski: If he burns to death, that'll be the end of his tickets

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juski:

Dagmar: ah good point

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Zider:

no more tickets? :(

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** juski goes round to gbee's to cut of his electricity to keep him safe **

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juski:

hope you've got a smoke detector gbee

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** Zider installs hamster-power **

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Dagmar:

I have THREE smoke detectors in my 2brdm 1ba condo and its' got modern wiring

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juski:

though I can set light to paper in here & mine doesn't go off

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juski:

goes off when I sand wood though

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Zider:

hm.. I don't have any smoke detector.. maybe I should get one.. :P

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Dagmar:

Of course, the HVAC did kinda catch fire and nearly burn the building down before I'd even moved in

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Dagmar:

Zider: Hit the local Home Depot and you can probably find these little dinky ones like I bought for $9 apiece

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Dagmar:

They don't have to be big to be useful

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Dr_willis:

o_0

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Zider:

Dagmar: I get them for free from the company that owns the building.. just haven't told them I don't have one.. :P

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Dagmar:

Oh jesus tell them today

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Dagmar:

You can probably be evicted for not telling them.

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Dagmar:

It's definitely a codes violation to not have them in any MDU everywhere in the US

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Zider:

it's optional here

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Dagmar:

Ya'll really are a buncha hippies

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Zider:

besides, they could've noticed when they inspected the place when I moved in :)

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gbee:

juski: two smoke detectors – I'm not too concerned, I've replaced most of it now, but I need to get an electrician in to finish the job (replace the fuse box etc)

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Dagmar:

Zider: See, pointing something like that out is a good way to get evicted

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Zider:

Dagmar: pointing out that they missed it you mean? ;)

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juski:

ahh bum. I'm in layer hell here

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Zider:

never had one in my old apartment either, until the chimney man came, he installed one "since he was there anyway" ;)

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Zider:

juski: be glad it's not lawyer hell

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juski:

damn. there I go imagining the top & bottom of the music screen sliding in & out when the plugin loads & unloads

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juski:

me & my imagination again

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keith:

has anyone encountered this error? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/devel/35651

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xanium4332:

guess you just did...

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xanium4332:

juski: www.juski.co.uk/newmusic.png is very swish

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juski:

swish is the new bling

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TSCHAKWerk:

*click*click*drone*

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xanium4332:

juski: the highlights round the buttons

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: verrah nice.

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juski:

refresh it

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TSCHAKWerk:

yup i just clicked on it

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juski:

just a mockup for now, but that is the plan

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TSCHAKWerk:

cool

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TSCHAKWerk:

I successfully migrated mythtv off my laptop last night

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TSCHAKWerk:

onto the new htpc

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TSCHAKWerk:

not as bad as i was dreading.

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TSCHAKWerk:

but i did have to do some crazy voodoo to get my intel i965 to do 1366x768

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TSCHAKWerk:

but man oh man, is that core 2 duo fast

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TSCHAKWerk:

wheeee

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** TSCHAKWerk can play 1080p h.264 quite nicely :-D **

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TSCHAKWerk:

jeebus, all these linux covenants

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TSCHAKWerk:

has this whole world gone mad?

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xanium4332:

TSCHAKWerk: using who's decoder?

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TSCHAKWerk:

?

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xanium4332:

how do u play the h.264 content

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xanium4332:

in myth, mplayer, xine?

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xanium4332:

windows?

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juski:

xanium4332: there's h.264 HD & then there's h.264 HD like what the bbc is broadcasting on dvb-t in london

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juski:

a world of difference between them

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xanium4332:

ok

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directhex|work:

i.e. elephant's dream will play on a real computer

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xanium4332:

cause I want the BBC HD

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directhex|work:

the bbc transmission, well, won't

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juski:

not in linux just yet...

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Ruleke:

ola peoples

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xanium4332:

although I think with a core2duo clocked at >~2.8Ghx, + CoreAVC decoder

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xanium4332:

can do it

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juski:

at least not without a nasty coreAVC hack

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directhex|work:

xanium4332, yes, if you're using hacked windows proprietary paid-for codecs, you can

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xanium4332:

yeh I know wot u mean

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xanium4332:

I wud like to see x264 become multithreaded

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Ruleke:

let me know if you succeed without nasty hacks, xanium4332... I'm still not able to watch my cable HD broadcasts with myth :(

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directhex|work:

xanium4332, so would everyone

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xanium4332:

lol

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TSCHAKWerk:

xanium4332: i am using a hacked libavcodec with dll support for CoreAVC

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Ruleke:

you scared him off now

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Ruleke:

nearly scared me off ;)

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-

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TSCHAKWerk:

P

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TSCHAKWerk:

hehe

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TSCHAKWerk:

I like the irtrans remote that I got with my zalman case for one reason..... holding down/repeat buttons works reliably :-P

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sphery:

Was just going to tell him that ffmpeg is working on (and has patches for) multithreaded H.264 decoding.

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TSCHAKWerk:

sphery: this is very good

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TSCHAKWerk:

sphery: because my current setup is scary

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sphery:

Yeah. The CoreAVC hack is ugly

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TSCHAKWerk:

I wish my VFD display was slightly more flexible

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sphery:

IIRC, janne said that just about any dual-core could handle real-time H.264 decoding with the multithreaded patches.

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TSCHAKWerk:

sphery: beautiful

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sphery:

I just don't remember if he said 1080p or 720p...

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TSCHAKWerk:

sphery: i will have to hunt them down.. are they in svn head?

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TSCHAKWerk:

or are they still floating around on the list?

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sphery:

no, janne is working on an ffmpeg resync, but may have held off to wait for those patches.

[13:50:44]

sphery:

Oh, if you mean ffmpeg SVN head, I don't know.

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sphery:

(I don't think all of them are, though.)

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TSCHAKWerk:

okay.. I guess i'll play bobbing for patches

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sphery:

Regardless, it won't help Myth until the resync

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TSCHAKWerk:

sphery: noted.

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sphery:

(and you probably don't want to resync Myth's libav* yourself)

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sphery:

Patience is probably the best approach (which is easy for me to say since all my HD is MPEG-2)

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TSCHAKWerk:

haha

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TSCHAKWerk:

well, I have a number of movies in .264 1080P

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TSCHAKWerk:

and god knows on my P4M setup, it was crying uncle.

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sphery:

Are they really 1080p or 1920x817 (i.e. 2.35:1 aspect)?

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TSCHAKWerk:

1920x1080

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TSCHAKWerk:

full frame on each

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** sphery doesn't know why they call 1920x817 @ 2.35:1 1080p video **

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TSCHAKWerk:

the 1080i stuff I have played just fine

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Ruleke:

all my HD cable broadcasts are h264 :(

[13:54:03]

TSCHAKWerk:

although i have to wonder when they're going to improve their HD-DVD transfers

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TSCHAKWerk:

because the first batch of HD-DVDs really didn't look that great

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TSCHAKWerk:

(or blu-rays for that matter)

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sphery:

Probably the source material

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TSCHAKWerk:

yup

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juski:

the 1st DVDs weren't too hot

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sphery:

They're just doing the upscaling for you. :)

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: that's true.

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Ruleke:

I guess in theory they could remaster from the film itself for old movies and only be limited by the grain or so

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juski:

just takes them time to learn to use the tools

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Ruleke:

but after the Star Wars remaster debacle, I'm not so sure

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juski:

find the best ways to encode stuff

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juski:

Ruleke: they should've left those well alone

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sphery:

yeah, the encoding is definitely important.

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juski:

clean em up for sure, but not add extra crapola "because I can"

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Ruleke:

juski: yeah but _if_ they wanted to do it, I don't understand how you could not have a better source ...

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sphery:

I'm surprised how many HDTV shows are encoded with improper bitrates, etc.

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sphery:

And it doesn't help when local stations requantize or whatever...

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juski:

the quality of the source print is everything

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juski:

last few times I've been to the cinema the grain has seemed massive & obvious

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sphery:

The part that's been annoying me most, lately is when my local station puts scrollers or alerts on the show.

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Ruleke:

they remastered some DVD from laserdisc... wtf

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Ruleke:

non-anamorphic

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Ruleke:

gaaah

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juski:

Ruleke: laserdisc was very good for its day. 20Mhz video bandwidth or something

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juski:

more than dvd for sure

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Ruleke:

yeah ok but resolution wasn't

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juski:

resolution was the same as dvd

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sphery:

I'll be watching an HDTV show, then there will be an A/V glitch, then it's a stretched 4:3 SDTV image (often improperly deinterlaced) with the overlays added then upscaled...

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TSCHAKWerk:

Laserdisc was awesome, it just didn't have as many lines per feld.

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sphery:

Really annoying for long storms or whatever...

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TSCHAKWerk:

yup

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juski:

Ruleke: you'd hardly notice the reduction in vertical res

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Ruleke:

I still have my laserdisc player connected :)

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TSCHAKWerk:

i liked laerdisc for one reason

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TSCHAKWerk:

CAV discs

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Ruleke:

I like my CAV disks

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TSCHAKWerk:

stop on any frame

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Ruleke:

yer

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Ruleke:

play at any speed :)

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Ruleke:

almost

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TSCHAKWerk:

yup

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Ruleke:

:P

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TSCHAKWerk:

so long as it was scanning fast enough to keep the picture stable.

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Ruleke:

yer

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juski:

and get errors.. little blips.. not like scratches on DVDs... pschhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

[14:00:33]

Ruleke:

:)

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TSCHAKWerk:

(laserdisc very analogue) :-P

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TSCHAKWerk:

that was an uninspired piece of junk.

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juski:

thing is – HD-DVD is h.264 right – and the discs are what 50GB? what the hell are they gonna put on the discs?

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juski:

CED?

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: umm... extra camera angles like they promised us on the very first DVDs? :-P

[14:02:11]

juski:

oh right. who's gonna know when to press the button? the only place they're used is music vids & porn

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: capacitence discs... basically the player read them like a record, with a capacitance needle, spinning very high speed.. the discs wore out very quickly.

[14:02:27]

TSCHAKWerk:

I find the extra angles in porn funny

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TSCHAKWerk:

hehe

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TSCHAKWerk:

GET IN THERE TIGHTER!

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TSCHAKWerk:

TIGHTER!

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Ruleke:

POV ! POV !

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Ruleke:

;)

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Dagmar:

Yeah, we went on a search for something that used DVD stuff when we were at North Beach once

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Ruleke:

tiny camera concealed in huge hair of actor ;)

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TSCHAKWerk:

a teeny little camera mounted on mister happy

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TSCHAKWerk:

for that money angle.

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Dagmar:

Probably 10,000 porn DVDs over there, but about the most "interactive" things we saw were some where you could pick a second viewing angle.

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laga:

if you want interactive porn, just get a girlfriend. damn geeks

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Dagmar:

Virtually nothing in the way of foriegn language dubbing, a few with director commentary. PLenty with 5.1 mixdowns tho

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Dagmar:

We figured with the way porn typically _leads_ new technology, that there'd be all kinda crazy things

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TSCHAKWerk:

heheheh, director commentary

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Ruleke:

lol

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laga:

:)

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Ruleke:

hehe

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TSCHAKWerk:

and 5.1 mixdowns... hmmm would probably come in handy for those group scenes

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TSCHAKWerk:

let's move over here to THIS side of the room and see what's going on

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Ruleke:

let's see what she sounds like in swedish...

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TSCHAKWerk:

hahah

[14:08:31]

Ruleke:

new game "try to find the original language" ;)

[14:08:38]

TSCHAKWerk:

hahahaha

[14:08:43]

Ruleke:

aha... she was off half a second there... next

[14:10:02]

directhex|work:

juski, hd-dvd is h.264 or vc1 or mpeg2

[14:10:08]

directhex|work:

juski, guess which of those needs space :p

[14:10:56]

sphery:

right, and from what I've heard, many studios are sticking with MPEG-2--at least for now

[14:11:08]

sphery:

(on HD-DVD's and Blu-Ray)

[14:11:18]

Ruleke:

really ?

[14:11:22]

gbee:

licensing costs?

[14:11:30]

Dagmar:

I swear LOTR seems to have cornered the market on silly extra features

[14:11:30]

directhex|work:

thing is, dvd allows <=10mbit mpeg2

[14:11:49]

directhex|work:

how many cable/sat users in yankland get a lower bitrate than that for HD? O_o

[14:11:51]

Ruleke:

does it include a game ?

[14:11:52]

Ruleke:

:)

[14:12:01]

Dagmar:

My brother bought an 8-DVD special edition that seemed to have commentary from everyone involved, up to and including the guy whose job it was to go get the doughnuts

[14:13:20]

quicksilver:

I like doughnuts

[14:13:36]

Ruleke:

did he wear the dougnuts on his fingers ?

[14:13:37]

quicksilver:

I'd rather have 8 doughnuts than an 8-DVD special edition

[14:13:37]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, LOTR is 4 discs per movie for the extended edition. 2 per film for the film, 2 per film for the special features

[14:14:00]

quicksilver:

unless, possibly I could sell the 8-DVD on ebay for enough moeny to buy >8 doughnuts

[14:14:05]

quicksilver:

sometimes I can be forward-looking

[14:14:54]

sphery:

gbee: Could be. I haven't heard any reasons. I know that after years of pushing Blu-Ray and H.264, Sony's "other" arm--Sony Pictures--said the new format doesn't improve picture quality, so there's no reason to use it.

[14:17:13]

quicksilver:

that's interesting.

[14:17:22]

quicksilver:

I thought MPEG-2 made HD files too big for one disk?

[14:17:27]

quicksilver:

presumably that's not true, then

[14:17:42]

sphery:

for DVD, yes. :)

[14:18:36]

sphery:

My OTA HDTV (granted, it's 720p or 1080i) is between 3.5 and 8.5GiB/hr.

[14:18:40]

juski:

Lord Of The Ring Donuts? there's a market opportunity someone seems to have missed!

[14:18:42]

gbee:

quicksilver: HDDVD is big enough

[14:19:15]

directhex|work:

sphery, the lower end of that would fit on a dvd

[14:19:29]

sphery:

(The 3.5GiB/hr is actually 8.35Mb/sec, too, so is under DVD's max bitrate. Stupid Fox/ABC/Disney.)

[14:19:43]

sphery:

heh. Going down the same road...

[14:19:49]

gbee:

I actually had no idea that they were even considering changing the encoding – I thought the whole point of the bigger media was because they actually needed the space

[14:20:38]

gbee:

not that I've any idea if they would fit a film encoded in H.264 onto a DVD

[14:21:11]

sphery:

I think the more space is always useful. If not today, tomorrow. :)

[14:21:16]

TSCHAKWerk:

I have a feeling i'm getting jipped

[14:21:33]

TSCHAKWerk:

over firewire, my 1080i content is typically 6GB an hour :-P

[14:21:51]

quicksilver:

gbee: well you can always vary the bitrate, as my wife knows with her 'entire friends series on one dvd' set

[14:22:05]

juski:

oh yeah gbee this work I'm doing reminds me. I wanna fix these damn button states

[14:22:12]

quicksilver:

gbee: so I'm sure you *could*. What I don't know is if the quality would be considered adequate by the powers that be

[14:23:14]

gbee:

quicksilver: yeah

[14:23:16]

juski:

if (ifplaying) {display play icon} else if (paused) {display pause icon) else if (stopped) {display stop icon}

[14:24:17]

gbee:

juski: I'll try and help with that, but I've got my finger in to many pies atm – I want to finish some jobs before I take on even more

[14:24:25]

gbee:

s/to/too/

[14:24:39]

TSCHAKWerk:

OpenGL Animations in MythUI!

[14:24:42]

** TSCHAKWerk runs!!! **

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sphery:

The one I'm waiting for is the 50 terabyte DVD. http://uk.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32965

[14:25:29]

** juski is very glad TSCHAKWerk has offerred to implement the opengl animations :D **

[14:25:55]

juski:

TSCHAKWerk: tell me what stuff I need to put in the xml files & I'll make a theme to use the new UI stuff you do

[14:29:28]

laga:

i want to punch people who write article descriptions on ebay all in CAPS in the face

[14:29:33]

laga:

</rant>

[14:30:17]

juski:

I want to be a tree

[14:30:47]

** Dr_willis waters juski **

[14:31:08]

sphery:

Does that mean juski is working on leafers 2?

[14:31:34]

Ruleke:

he want to get woody for once

[14:33:41]

juski:

hey wood isn't a problem since I quit smoking

[14:34:03]

laga:

does that mean you've been impotent for a few years?

[14:34:55]

TSCHAKWerk:

it just means he wants to BE a WEED now.

[14:34:58]

TSCHAKWerk:

:-D

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juski:

IME, when you quit, you may aswell have been impotent before you quit

[14:36:24]

juski:

anyway I have a music screen to do

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laga:

juski: yup

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** TSCHAKWerk listens to some John Foxx era Ultravox. **

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juski:

laga: it's the closest my wife will ever get to being happy I think :-P that or me making my first million from mythtv work

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laga:

juski: i'm happy it works so well for you :)

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Dr_willis:

' closest my wife will ever get to being happy' — Wife and Happy... HA!

[14:45:17]

laga:

Dr_willis: there's a difference between "wife being happy" and "husband being happy with his wife"

[14:45:33]

TSCHAKWerk:

big difference

[14:46:20]

Ruleke:

disappointment ?

[14:46:21]

laga:

well, i can't say i haven't tried. and it was always painful.

[14:46:26]

** Dr_willis covers up te large hole he has been digging.. for err.. a tree! yea thats it! **

[14:46:35]

TSCHAKWerk:

this is, of course, unless you are lucky enough, to marry a japanese woman :-P

[14:46:49]

Dr_willis:

Im sure they can be just as naggy :)

[14:46:58]

Dr_willis:

perhas even worse.

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** Ruleke sings the monty python "I like chinese" song **

[14:47:30]

Ruleke:

they only come up to your knees... tumtumdum

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** Ruleke trails off **

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TSCHAKWerk:

hahaha

[14:47:55]

TSCHAKWerk:

Dr_willis: actually most japanese women are conditioned to be ultra-submissive.

[14:48:08]

TSCHAKWerk:

not talking american-japanese, talking born and raised in japan..

[14:48:28]

Dr_willis:

:)

[14:48:34]

Dr_willis:

RussianBrides.com

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TSCHAKWerk:

bwaahaha

[14:48:57]

Dr_willis:

I imagine a few Mo of Living in America would fix that. :)

[14:49:00]

TSCHAKWerk:

Disclaimer: We are not responsible for any lost pounds of flesh.

[14:49:20]

Dr_willis:

actually i do know a few people that somehow got Chinese wifes.. Not sure HOW they did it. :)

[14:49:27]

Dr_willis:

Not sure i want to know.

[14:49:37]

Ruleke:

boxes with holes in em

[14:49:44]

Ruleke:

dress warm for the flight

[14:49:44]

Dr_willis:

May of been they met while in the military.

[14:50:00]

TSCHAKWerk:

Dr_willis: my fiancee is Vietnamese............................... and somehow I wound up with the most aggressive alpha female on the planet.

[14:50:26]

Ruleke:

you mean beta

[14:50:42]

TSCHAKWerk:

she has the ability to instantly manipulate any group of people in a room.

[14:50:54]

Ruleke:

tits that big eh ?

[14:51:01]

TSCHAKWerk:

actually, no.

[14:51:06]

TSCHAKWerk:

she does it by sheer force of will.

[14:51:07]

TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

[14:51:09]

Ruleke:

hehe I love being non-PC ;)

[14:51:12]

TSCHAKWerk:

hahah

[14:51:17]

TSCHAKWerk:

she WANTS implants though

[14:51:23]

Ruleke:

yuck

[14:51:25]

TSCHAKWerk:

she's tried to paint me into a corner on that one

[14:51:35]

TSCHAKWerk:

"but I wanna look good for you honey.."

[14:51:38]

TSCHAKWerk:

"YOU DO!"

[14:51:41]

TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

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Dagmar:

Pfft. Give her a few pearl necklaces and see if that doesn't change her mind

[14:51:52]

TSCHAKWerk:

heheh

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Ruleke:

lol

[14:52:11]

Ruleke:

no comment

[14:52:13]

TSCHAKWerk:

(irony on that statement? my father was a jeweler and stonecutter once.)

[14:52:23]

Dagmar:

So you should know how to do it right, then..

[14:52:27]

TSCHAKWerk:

haha

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Ruleke:

phew for a moment I thought we were still on the porn subject

[14:52:59]

TSCHAKWerk:

although, i don't know if i'll ever get a chance to use what i learned from him on that subject...

[14:57:37]

Dr_willis:

if you pay for them.. demand visitation rights if you get divorced. :)

[14:58:06]

Dagmar:

Ask for one of them.

[14:59:04]

Dr_willis:

:)

[14:59:10]

Dr_willis:

'i will give it a good home'

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s0be_way_away:

err, that was 13604, not 13606

[15:24:11]

s0be_way_away:

stupid decaf moment

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directhex|work:

#mythtv for developers

[15:24:23]

s0be_way_away:

ahh, k

[15:24:30]

s0be_way_away:

sorry about that

[15:24:42]

juski:

never seen anybody get confuzzled the other way before!

[15:24:59]

** juski sings the developers song **

[15:25:03]

s0be_way_away:

I'm so used to coming here (well, used to be used to it)

[15:25:20]

juski:

I can't dance like monkeyboy though so don't ask

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directhex|work:

i dance if you sing

[15:25:51]

juski:

developers developers developers developers... everybody!

[15:25:55]

juski:

developers developers developers developers...

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directhex|work:

i... love... this... company!

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** directhex|work throws a chair at juski **

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juski:

I wish the CEO of the company I work for was more like Steve Ballmer. Or at least as calm

[15:26:40]

** Dagmar takes Ballmer's crystal meth away **

[15:27:08]

opello:

developers developers dvelopers ...

[15:27:31]

Dagmar:

Here's a good question...

[15:28:04]

opello:

+e

[15:28:20]

Dagmar:

Why are there like, seven different timestretch intervals _faster_ than realtime, but only two for slower, and neither of which is 75% which would more or less turn the 45 minutes of program per hour into an hour

[15:28:44]

Dagmar:

I mean, sure everyone will sound a bit stoned, but...

[15:29:56]

opello:

you want to spend *more* time watching a whole show?

[15:31:13]

Dagmar:

No, but it would make a reasonable attempt at doing realtime commflagging and skipping

[15:34:43]

opello:

usually after the first 2 commercials i can skip, so i just use the arrows to get through them

[15:34:59]

opello:

commercial breaks* i mean

[15:35:00]

Dagmar:

Watching at what speed?

[15:35:14]

Dagmar:

Half speed?

[15:35:16]

opello:

normal, probably start watching 5 minutes in

[15:35:36]

Dagmar:

ANyway, I think there's a comprehension problem here. Re-read the question.

[15:36:10]

Dagmar:

There's many vaguely and equally unuseful >realtime settings, and only two <realtime settings

[15:36:12]

opello:

you mean real time as in livetv not as in recording a show that's still recording?

[15:36:18]

Dagmar:

No, I mean exactly what I said.

[15:36:22]

opello:

heh

[15:36:35]

Dagmar:

Quit trying to intuit some deeper meaning

[15:37:10]

Dagmar:

If you started watching a program on time, 75% of realtime playback would just about allow skipping of all the commercials

[15:37:26]

Dagmar:

90% sure as heck doesn't, and 50% makes everyone sound like they're on heavy sedation

[15:37:48]

opello:

i think it depends on more than you think

[15:38:06]

Dagmar:

I think I've looked at this problem rather carefully.

[15:38:07]

opello:

when does the flagging process start

[15:38:12]

Dagmar:

You don't know?

[15:38:48]

opello:

hm, not to invoke your sanctimony, but no, i meant what i said, if i knew i wouldn't have asked

[15:39:51]

Dagmar:

There's an option to start it when the recording begins now, actually.

[15:40:46]

Dagmar:

...which still has nothing to do with the question.

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opello:

Dagmar: you ask a "why isn't it like this" question, well, wait for someone to say "submit a patch" then

[15:44:52]

opello:

i was just curious as to why you would want to watch a show slower than real time

[15:44:57]

Dagmar:

opello: Because I was genuinely wondering damnit

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Dagmar:

I've already made the goddamn patch

[15:45:26]

opello:

want a sticker?

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Dagmar:

I figured _someone_ might know something that's not in the ML archives about _why_ it's that lopsided

[15:45:35]

Dagmar:

No, I want you to stop being an argumentative twit.

[15:46:05]

Dagmar:

When something seems as obvious as this, and it's being done another way, usually there's some reason.

[15:46:33]

TSCHAKWerk:

i'd need massive doses of phenobarbitol to be able to watch TV at that speed

[15:46:37]

opello:

you started the vitriol there — and 1/7th (if there are up to 7x faster) doesn't make much sense to me, heh

[15:46:57]

TSCHAKWerk:

and even then, I'd probably fall asleep, drooling on my house slippers before finishing the show.

[15:46:59]

Dagmar:

No, bothering me with questions unrelated to what I was talking about started it.

[15:47:44]

Dagmar:

TSCHAKWerk: Enh, at 75% it's not that bad. Of course it helps that broadcasters have been clipping programming to wedge in 2–3 more commercials for some time now

[15:48:03]

opello:

5 hours after starting my 43 minute program, at 1/7th speed, i would probably be sleeping too

[15:48:32]

Dagmar:

Yeah well, if you can't understand fractions, you probably should be watching PBS

[15:50:05]

opello:

sounds like you don't grasp "1/7th speed" if you think i don't grasp fractions

[15:50:33]

Dagmar:

Considering that you're the only person whose said anything about 1/7th speed, I think you're just being an ass

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opello:

yeah, but it's completely reciprocal

[15:51:16]

Dagmar:

Appeal to ridicule is for bitches.

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juski:

gbee: refresh it now.. that's just how it looks :)

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** mkrufky the mythtv addict just bought a sata array 4 x 750 GB for my backend server!!! **

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juski:

opello: speaking of stickers.. you got yours yet?

[16:07:35]

Zider:

mkrufky: nice

[16:08:24]

mkrufky:

Zider: yeah, no more deleting tv shows

[16:08:36]

mkrufky:

:-D

[16:09:07]

Zider:

mkrufky: no need to delete old porn to get, eh, new porn!

[16:09:10]

Zider:

;D

[16:09:51]

mkrufky:

who has porn in their mythbox?

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mkrufky:

i dont know about you, but they dont broadcast porn in hi-def airwaves here in the states ;-)

[16:10:45]

Zider:

I don't watch any, but then I don't have 3TB disk space ;D

[16:10:57]

Zider:

no that sounded wrong

[16:11:03]

mkrufky:

this will be 4 TB — im so excited

[16:11:16]

mkrufky:

(these 4 drives in addition to the 1 TB i have already)

[16:11:40]

Zider:

if I had 4TB disk space I would fill it with all the porn I have! which is none.. so it would go pretty quick ;D

[16:11:42]

mkrufky:

you see, i had a nice tax refund — had to buy myself some birthday presents

[16:12:09]

Zider:

why not get 1TB disks right away? ;)

[16:12:18]

Dagmar:

cuz no one's makin' em yet

[16:12:22]

Dagmar:

...yet

[16:12:22]

Zider:

yes they are

[16:12:25]

Dagmar:

Who?

[16:12:34]

Zider:

I believe it was Maxtor

[16:12:36]

Dagmar:

who is making single unit 1Tb disks?

[16:12:57]

Dagmar:

Oh *fuck* buying Maxtor

[16:13:03]

mkrufky:

lol

[16:13:09]

mkrufky:

750 GB is affordable

[16:13:10]

Dagmar:

first model of a line from them == d3wm3d

[16:13:12]

Reiver2003:

it's Hitachi

[16:13:17]

mkrufky:

1TB is cost-prohibitive

[16:13:18]

mkrufky:

brb

[16:13:29]

Dagmar:

Ah... $400 a pop

[16:13:30]

Zider:

ah hitachi

[16:13:42]

Dagmar:

That's a bit overkill considering half that is only about 30% of the price

[16:14:16]

chuk:

if you have mythbackend running with --daemon flag, what is the proper way to shut it down?

[16:14:16]

Zider:

$400? where do you get that?

[16:14:52]

Dagmar:

NewEgg

[16:15:11]

Dagmar:

They have 'em for $399, actually.

[16:15:27]

Dagmar:

chuk: Zapping it with kill

[16:15:44]

Zider:

it's around $300 here

[16:16:01]

Dagmar:

Hippie money isn't the same as USD

[16:16:09]

Zider:

$ = USD

[16:16:28]

Dagmar:

You might wanna consider avoiding whoeever is selling them for $300/pop then

[16:16:34]

Dagmar:

They're either stolen or fake

[16:16:44]

Zider:

neither, I've been shopping there many times

[16:16:49]

Dagmar:

*Hitachi* is selling them for just under $400

[16:18:03]

Zider:

$303,16 to be exact

[16:18:13]

Dagmar:

Those wide looking units are not one drive, they're two

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mkrufky:

back

[16:20:08]

chuk:

I wasnt sure if kill was "safe"

[16:20:11]

Zider:

Dagmar: "wide looking units"? are you referring to USB drives?

[16:20:15]

mkrufky:

looks like the most bang for the buck nowadays is ~$120 for a 500 GB sata

[16:20:15]

chuk:

or if there was some cleanup that needed to happen

[16:20:48]

mkrufky:

but considering that i wanted to maximize a raid array, i was willing to buy 4 750 GB drives for $209 each

[16:21:59]

Dagmar:

Look, I can pretty much promise you that if someone is selling the Hitachi Deskstar 7k1000 for anything much under $350USD, they're either _stolen_ or _phony_

[16:22:28]

Dagmar:

If you buy a crapton of them from Hitachi you're not getting them for $300 a pop

[16:22:44]

gbee:

it cost me $110 just over a month ago to buy a 250Gb drive :(

[16:22:55]

mkrufky:

yeah prices are dropping now

[16:23:08]

mkrufky:

and i got a discount thru my business acct at cdw

[16:23:17]

Zider:

Dagmar: they're trustworthy, you can promise whatever you like

[16:23:27]

Dagmar:

Hitachi is the only people with a 1Tb to market yet.

[16:23:38]

Dagmar:

Zider: go and look at what they have again.

[16:23:45]

Zider:

Dagmar: I have.

[16:23:51]

Dagmar:

Pics or shens then.

[16:23:57]

Zider:

"shens"?

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Dagmar:

Yes, as in "shenanigans".

[16:24:10]

Dagmar:

Bring proof.

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Dagmar:

Find so much as a weblink

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Zider:

well that's kinda hard since I only have a paper catalog

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Zider:

and a phone call ofcourse

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kemik:

ppl order from those? :$

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Dagmar:

Youre telling me that a paper catalog has 1Tb drives listed for $308 USD

[16:24:42]

Zider:

but I didn't record it for you ;)

[16:25:11]

Zider:

dunno if they have a web adress, but I haven't visited it at least

[16:25:23]

Dagmar:

...knowing it takes at miniumum a full month to get those off the presses

[16:25:24]

Zider:

I did call them to check that the price was right

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Dagmar:

I would suggest you go order eight from them right now, so you can resell them and keep the eighth for yourselfg.

[16:26:14]

Zider:

actually, the catalog price was a tad higher, when I called them I got the current price of around $300

[16:26:25]

Zider:

Dagmar: I can't afford a tenth of one even

[16:26:33]

Dagmar:

They lied to you.

[16:26:50]

Dagmar:

...or they really screwed up and someone's about to get sacked over there.

[16:27:07]

Zider:

they're not a company that lies to people

[16:27:15]

Dagmar:

Then someone's gotten themselves sacked

[16:27:18]

mkrufky:

i think it's believeable

[16:27:28]

mkrufky:

i see NAS units of 1 TB going for $400

[16:27:35]

mkrufky:

so, anything is possible

[16:27:39]

Dagmar:

mkrufky: Those aren't single-drive units.

[16:27:44]

mkrufky:

good point

[16:27:51]

Zider:

perhaps he got a good deal?

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Dagmar:

You don't get _that_ kind of deal on a brand new product no one else offers

[16:28:05]

Zider:

perhaps it's "refurbished" (whatever the word is) drives?

[16:28:43]

Dagmar:

...and no one in their right mind uses a $400 item as a loss-leaders

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Dagmar:

s/leaders/leader/;

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Zider:

loss-leader..=

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Zider:

?

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Dagmar:

A loss-leader is a product that a company sells at or near cost, sometimes even below cost, in order to draw in more customers.

[16:29:48]

Dagmar:

This isn't something that's done with the most expensive product of a line.

[16:29:54]

Zider:

mkay

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Dagmar:

It's _financially insane_

[16:30:14]

Zider:

maybe they are insane

[16:30:42]

mkrufky:

like, selling a PS3 at half cost, just so that more customers buy game software at 200% markup

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Dagmar:

Dude, *I* have the money to buy ten of those and not blink, and I'm _real_ sure there's no one selling those for that price.

[16:31:16]

Zider:

Sweet, dude.

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Dagmar:

mkrufky: I think with the ps3 it was a matter of them having to sell it at that so that people would buy them _at all_

[16:32:28]

mkrufky:

unfortuantely i had to buy a software raid card for these drives..... i hope the mythbackend has enough processing power for it all

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Dagmar:

mkrufky: They were sitting on store shelves in a major way around here

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mkrufky:

backend machine, that is

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Zider:

heh, yeah.. ps3 is horribly overpriced

[16:32:47]

mkrufky:

yeah, i think you're also right about that , Dagmar

[16:33:02]

mkrufky:

even now still at this price its still too expensive

[16:33:16]

Dagmar:

Nintendo is seriously putting the hurt on Sony

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Zider:

they're apparently making it cheaper in europe, by removing that hardware ps1/2 emulation and replacing it with a software emulator..

[16:34:58]

mkrufky:

aww that sucks

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Zider:

and it already did ;)

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mkrufky:

lol

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opello_:

juski: yeah, thanks for asking

[16:35:24]

mkrufky:

how about blu-ray vs hd-dvd ?

[16:35:34]

juski:

opello_: you like?

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mkrufky:

everybody is saying now that sony is gonna take the fall ....... the idea of m$ taking over another std gives me an ulcer

[16:35:59]

opello:

juski: very much, i actually put that one on my box, heh

[16:36:03]

Dagmar:

Not gonna happen

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Zider:

5800 SEK seems to be the price around here.. ($814)

[16:36:11]

Dagmar:

The Wii is outselling the X-box

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juski:

cool. very happy for you :)

[16:36:52]

mkrufky:

well.... personally, i am annoyed that i cannot spend ca$h on prerecorded material and have quality as good as what my mythbox records

[16:37:18]

Zider:

I'm getting an xbox soon.. ew.. :P

[16:37:25]

mkrufky:

ie: if i want to watch good quality stuff, i need to record it — purchasing a dvd will never be the same..... not until they decide on a standard permanently

[16:38:32]

opello:

juski: i'll have to take an 'action shot' for you, heh

[16:39:33]

juski:

and now to sort out this****ing playlist editor screen

[16:39:38]

Dagmar:

heheheh

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Dagmar:

It's full of buggery

[16:48:41]

jams:

ugh of all my mythboxes only one is affected by #3466 and that happens to be the main box in the living room

[16:49:14]

Zider:

jams: switch place with another one ;)

[16:49:40]

Zider:

is it possible to get mythtv to "fall back" to another IP for mysql, in case the main mysql is down?

[16:49:45]

jams:

Zider- i'm hoping the dtk patch fixes it

[16:50:34]

juski:

jams: you seen www.juski.co.uk/newmusic.png?

[16:50:54]

Dagmar:

damn button text

[16:51:14]

juski:

yes yes I know. got to work with what's there at the moment

[16:51:33]

juski:

I can change them out for proper icons later – and I already have those drawn :)

[16:52:08]

jams:

nice volume bar

[16:52:14]

jams:

does it work?

[16:52:18]

juski:

heh

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juski:

course it works!

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Dagmar:

juski: Does it stay up there all the time?

[16:52:45]

jams:

hehe

[16:52:57]

jams:

i thought for sure it only repeated a single image

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juski:

refresh it

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jams:

interesting

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jams:

well done

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gbee:

very nice

[16:53:57]

juski:

er.. it's almost 6pm

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juski:

ffs what have I been doing all day?!

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juski:

I should prolly centre the trackinfo graphic

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jams:

heh i never saw a reason to even see the volume bar

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juski:

Dagmar: ? you know I think...

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Dagmar:

gbee: That's a bug?

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Denidil:

if i have a DVB-driver-model ATSC/QAM tuner... and I want to be able to mix tuning both ATSC and QAM channels... is there a way to do it?

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Dagmar:

No damn WONDER i couldn't track down what's controlling it

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Dagmar:

I thought it was designed to do that

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juski:

er.. so did I!

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gbee:

Dagmar: no, not a bug afaik but there is no reason it should be optional and controlled by the theme

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mkrufky:

Denidil: what device is it?

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Denidil:

it's a Kworld ATSC-110

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juski:

gbee: ooo <timeout>10</timeout>

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jams:

your guys volume bar disappears?

[16:56:53]

mkrufky:

ah... i have that driver set to use rf #1 for OTA and rf #2 for QAM

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mkrufky:

you can hook them both concurrently, Denidil

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Denidil:

?

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juski:

jams: yeah.. it appears only when you control the vol.. stays for a sec & then goes away

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jams:

huh, cant say i ever noticed that

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Denidil:

when i told mythTV about it it only gave me one input... or is in something in channel setup?

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mkrufky:

Denidil: im talking about the rf inputs

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Denidil:

yeah.... what about them

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mkrufky:

Denidil: your device has two rf inputs

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Denidil:

i can hook up two cables

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mkrufky:

yes

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mkrufky:

one is for VSB and the other is for QAM

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Denidil:

but how do i tell mythTV to search for both ATSC and QAM channelS?

[16:58:53]

mkrufky:

aha!

[16:59:02]

Denidil:

that's the part i need.. configuring mythtv

[16:59:05]

mkrufky:

i dont know how to do it in myth, but i know how to do it on the command line

[16:59:08]

mkrufky:

this is what you do:

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Denidil:

i have my ATSC channels already scanned and I get EPG data from data direct

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mkrufky:

use atscscan (scan) to scan for QAM channels

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mkrufky:

then use it to scan for vsb channels

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mkrufky:

concatenate the results set

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mkrufky:

and import that into myth

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Denidil:

manual channels.conf creation.. wee :P

[16:59:43]

mkrufky:

its easy, Denidil

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Denidil:

yeah..... and get listing data?

[16:59:55]

mkrufky:

unless someone here knows how to tell mythtv to do it

[17:00:14]

Denidil:

oh.. another question

[17:00:23]

mkrufky:

Denidil: once you import those channels, just do the datadirect / xmltv gig and it will all fall into place

[17:00:28]

Denidil:

i get LOTS of glitching... i'm only 13 miles from the transmission towers... yet i cannot keep the signal clean

[17:00:44]

mkrufky:

i had the same problem

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mkrufky:

you need a drop amp

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Denidil:

drop amp?

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mkrufky:

where are you located?

[17:00:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

Denidil: You may have too much signal, and need to attenuate it...

[17:00:57]

Denidil:

i have an amp on my antenna

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Denidil:

ames, IA

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mkrufky:

hmm

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gbee:

anyone know how many menu entries appear at any one time in the OSD?

[17:01:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

Denidil: Take the amp out and try it again. It's probably overdriving the card.

[17:01:12]

Denidil:

jeffa: i've tried turning the amp on my antenna all the way off.. didn't help

[17:01:21]

mkrufky:

well, i am in brooklyn, and even still, i get nothing if im not using a signal amp

[17:01:27]

Denidil:

(my antenna has an adjustable amp)

[17:01:47]

mkrufky:

here i am saying not enough signal, and J-e-f-f-A says too much signal

[17:01:49]

jams:

gbee- mine has 8

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Denidil:

signal quality is sometimes 99% .. but it often dynamically falls under 60%

[17:01:51]

mkrufky:

so, then i dunno

[17:02:06]

Denidil:

100% boost on the antenna doesn't help, 0% boost doesn't help

[17:02:07]

jams:

after that it needs to scroll

[17:02:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

mkrufky: If he's only 13 miles from the transmitter he shouldn't need an amp...

[17:03:19]

Denidil:

turning off the camp capabilities on my antenna doesn't fix it though

[17:03:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

Denidil: Where's your antenna? Is it indoors, or on the roof? Is it 'omnidirectional', or directional, and need to be aimed in the direction of the tower?

[17:03:26]

Denidil:

s/camp/amp

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Denidil:

indoors

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Denidil:

i live in an apartment

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Denidil:

it's one of the ones with the two extenable antennas for VHF then it has a direction-adjustable little rectangular block for UHF

[17:04:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

Denidil: I tried to get HD with a 'omnidirectional' 'ufo-style' disc amplified antenna on the roof and had poor results... (Stations about 25 miles away).

[17:05:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

Denidil: I switched to a directional yagi antenna without an amp and have 80–95% signal strength consistently.

[17:05:13]

mkrufky:

J-e-f-f-A: i am 2 miles away from my transitter and i *do* need one

[17:05:28]

mkrufky:

J-e-f-f-A: then again, there are all sorts of tall buildings around here

[17:05:30]

Denidil:

mkrufky: gotta boost the signal above the noise

[17:05:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

Denidil: Yeah, but if you're amplifying the signal, you're also amplifying the noise.

[17:06:11]

Denidil:

aye

[17:06:17]

Denidil:

but i've said several times already

[17:06:25]

Denidil:

turning the amp on my antenna off completely didn't fix it

[17:06:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

Digital is -less- visually affected by noise, but it still affects it...

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Denidil:

you should see my recordings

[17:07:44]

Denidil:

MAJOR blocking and glitching causing video corrupt, to video skips, to even sometimes locking up the playback

[17:07:52]

Denidil:

sometimes it's pristine... sometimes... omg

[17:08:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

Denidil: There are lots of factors... Like trees, buildings, siding materials, etc. My house has Aluminum siding, so I couldn't pick up any stations with an antenna in my house. I had to put one on the roof.

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a5benwillis:

ellopeople

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J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: Hey... ;-)

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Denidil:

when i get good signal i get pristine signal

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Denidil:

but my signal inexplicably is all over the place

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a5benwillis:

juski: Ping

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J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: I've had a bit of a setback... one of my 500GB drives failed on my new backend... So It'll be a few days before I get that all worked out and work on stuff again...

[17:09:29]

Dagmar:

It's digital is why

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a5benwillis:

J-e-f-f-A: Ouch!

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mkrufky:

Denidil: are you using a hi-gain digital antannae ?

[17:10:10]

a5benwillis:

I've got to get a new tuner card myself.. I have one that isnt working correctly.

[17:10:25]

mkrufky:

which card is that, a5benwillis ?

[17:10:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

Denidil: Honestly, I was seeing the same thing when I was trying to use an amp. (But mine was an inline one...) I took it out and got rock-solid signal that wasn't drifting all the time...

[17:10:38]

Denidil:

not sure of the exact properties of the antenna.. lemme try and look em up

[17:10:43]

a5benwillis:

mkrufky: My Twinhan

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juski:

a5benwillis: pong!

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a5benwillis:

juski: Got my badges today! looks awesome! Thanks!

[17:11:13]

juski:

www.juski.co.uk/newmusic2.png

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mkrufky:

a5benwillis: oh... i dont like those . sorry, cant help ya there

[17:11:51]

a5benwillis:

mkrufky: Yeah, my other card is a SS2. It works perfectly.

[17:11:52]

juski:

a5benwillis: cool. glad you like em. other peeps in the USA got theirs much faster though .. go figure

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J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: And to further complicate things, when I setup my system, I didn't think it through that well. I setup 3x500GB in a software RAID5, then made that part of an LVM... Stupid me... Too complex....

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a5benwillis:

juski: Mine prolly got delayed by the mail service in my building... We have our own couriers

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juski:

ah

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J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: I'm going to re-do it as multiple individual volumes, then if one drive failes I just lose what's on that drive, not have to re-build the raid or mess with LVM...

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a5benwillis:

J-e-f-f-A: Sounds like a good idea. I only have one 500gb drive right now but its been pretty solid.

[17:13:57]

a5benwillis:

Almost time to add more storage, especially with HD!!!!!

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J-e-f-f-A:

Denidil: Are you in the us? If so, check out where the transmitters via antennaweb.org

[17:14:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: Yeah, on my old system (that I'm using irc on now!), I have 4x200GB drives setup in an LVM for 760GB storage... It's been rock-solid reliable for nearly 2 years now...

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J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: I have only had the 3x500 Raid5 setup for two weeks and already have a failed drive... (actually 2 if you count the one that failed before I setup the raid5...)

[17:15:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: I'm gonna blast WD about that... driving me crazy....

[17:16:24]

Denidil:

yes in the us, and i know my distance to the transmitters from antennaweb

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J-e-f-f-A:

Denidil: Are they all in the same general direction, or all over the place?

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Denidil:

atleast 3 of them (The ones i would use) are all on the same tower

[17:18:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: It's not cooling, there are fans blowing right on the drives, and they're only slightly warm to the touch.

[17:19:40]

gbee:

as the google study showed, cooling isn't really a significant factor in HDD failure rates

[17:19:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

Denidil: And that's about 13 miles away? Are there tall buildings blocking a direct line-of-site?

[17:19:43]

a5benwillis:

sounds odd, WD is usually the longest lasting in my systems

[17:20:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: Yeah, I'm a bit surprised myself. The 4 200's are WD's... Maybe they had a defect in their 500's... I dunno... It's a PITA though...

[17:20:52]

Denidil:

13 miles.. and the tallest building in the path may be 7 stories and it's not nearby

[17:20:54]

gbee:

drives either fail or they don't and if they fail then it's probably down to that tiny manufacturing flaw they had when you bought them

[17:20:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: I should be able to bring the raid back up with the remaining 2 drives... /dev/md0 exists, but the LVM isn't seen... I dunno...

[17:21:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: I gave up at 12:30 this morning and went to bed so I wouldn't be a complete zombie at work today... (have to get up at 7am..)

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juski:

jams: the buttons light up too. try newmusic.png again :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: yeah, well, I'm getting pretty old... My body really needs 8hrs sleep to be fully rested...

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Beirdo:

OK, it's been upgraded, the db's been repaired (again!), and it's back

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juski:

hey hey stuarta

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Beirdo:

so now I get to go finish mowing the friggin lawn before ti rains

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** stuarta suggests training the puppy to do it **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I wish she would

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: You can afford the gas, or do you have a push mower?

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stuarta:

hehe

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

gas prices here have finally approached what they were in Canada a year ago

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stuarta:

push mower, what is this, the dark ages?

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stuarta:

juski: hey hey

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Beirdo:

Americans need to shut the hell up about gas prices... and go to Europe to see really bad gas prices

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** juski concurs **

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Beirdo:

it was 4x the price in Canada when I was in Austria

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juski:

they all need to start driving SMART cars & be damned ;)

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Beirdo:

and Canada was nearly 1.5x the US

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Beirdo:

so...

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stuarta:

ouch is the summary

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juski:

I pay 0.959 GBP per litre

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Denidil:

J-e-f-f-A (sry writing a paper and talking in here at the same time).. not sure how to get my TV to display signal strength properties

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Denidil:

i'll probably use linux's DVB/ATSC tools and the signal monitor

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stuarta:

gas prices are pretty simple, it's <insert local currency> 0.959 <local currency unit> per <local unit of gas measurement>

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juski:

heheh

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juski:

stuarta: you might aswell have a peek... www.juski.co.uk/newmusic.png and newmusic2.png

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J-e-f-f-A:

Denidil: I was just saying if you tune in an analog channel on a standard TV (that's on the same tower), you should be able to adjust your antenna to get the best signal, then switch it over to your myth box and hopefully have better results...

[18:16:47]

stuarta:

someone has a far better organized musak collection than me

[18:18:02]

juski:

that's how projectgrayhem-wide is looking right now

[18:18:46]

Denidil:

is there a way to configure mythtv to name the recordings in any other pattern (ie the actual filename) – like [<Channel Number/Name> – <Show Name> – <Episode Title> – <record datetime>].ext

[18:18:59]

stuarta:

no

[18:19:06]

Denidil:

there should be

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stuarta:

mythrename.pl

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GreyFoxx:

Den no, but you can write a script to do it afterward

[18:19:16]

Denidil:

maybe i'll have to crack open the old source code

[18:19:18]

GreyFoxx:

there is a mythrename.pl

[18:19:32]

Denidil:

ah.. user job :D

[18:20:13]

Denidil:

so no there isn't a way to get the actual recorder to do it, but you can set a user job to rename them after the fact

[18:20:20]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[18:20:30]

Denidil:

cool

[18:20:49]

Denidil:

i opened my video storage folder up as an smb-share with share-level (instead of user-level) access this morning

[18:20:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: I've used it to create symbolic links with logical names — does it also work to rename the actual myth file?

[18:20:59]

GreyFoxx:

je-: It renames them

[18:21:58]

** J-e-f-f-A used it to create meaningful names for a 'third party' upnp a/v file server... **

[18:22:44]

Denidil:

you're not supposed to tell us that

[18:24:02]

juski:

you're not supposed to say "mythtv SHOULD" :-P

[18:24:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

Denidil: Eh? Nothing illegal... Just so that 'ShowCenter' would display "24 – Day 6 10:00am-11:00am" instead of "1025_2007010510001100.mpg" ...

[18:24:39]

GreyFoxx:

J-e-f-f-A: The built in one does use show names and titles

[18:24:54]

juski:

www.juski.co.uk/gallery.png

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[18:25:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

I'm playing around with the upnp stuff in Myth svn now, but it's not as visually appealing as the "Showcenter" software... And the music doesn't work atm... :-(

[18:25:35]

GreyFoxx:

J-e-f-f-A: What version of myth are you running ?

[18:25:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

But I am glad to see the upnp getting direct support in myth...

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GreyFoxx:

Ok

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GreyFoxx:

Music should be working them

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: Really? Humm... Well, I've got a HDD down atm, so I can't check it... :-(

[18:29:26]

GreyFoxx:

I've got coworkers playing mp3's and video

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GreyFoxx:

s off the office myth box using upnp

[18:30:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: Dummy me — I setup my new 3x500gb disks with a software raid5, then an LVM on top of that... Lost a drive in the raid, and it seems to be 'ok' (/dev/md0 appears, even with just 2 drives), but the LVM info seems to have been lost... (yuck...)

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** J-e-f-f-A slaps himself for making it so complex... He forgot the KISS standard... Keep It Simple, STUPID! **

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juski:

GreyFoxx: I've got recordings appearing in recordings & videos in Nero Showtime

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J-e-f-f-A:

Denidil: No luck?

[18:51:45]

Denidil:

no i haven't been playing with it

[18:51:48]

Denidil:

i'm writing a paper

[18:51:52]

Denidil:

i'm grumbling about my net connection

[18:52:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

Denidil: Comcast? ;-)

[18:52:04]

Denidil:

it's a touch on the not-as-good-as-it-should-be-for-what-i'm-paying

[18:52:06]

Denidil:

qwest dsl

[18:52:36]

Denidil:

moved into a new place last week that supposedly came with high speed net.... it was a shared-bandwidth, port-filtered, qos-degraded-on-non-web/email POS

[18:52:43]

Denidil:

so i got qwest DSL (cable comes with the place)

[18:52:57]

Denidil:

i had cable connections for a long time before...

[18:53:18]

Denidil:

i'm not sure if the problem's i'm having with XRMRadio are my connection, or their servers being full

[18:54:49]

Denidil:

(cable TV, not net)

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skamithi1:

hello. have a 2.26ghz intel frontend/backend combo with a pchdtv tuner. after a few weeks of fiddling around, i can watch live or prerecorded hdtv show with few glitches. my problem is that i can't record a hdtv show and watch another show at the same time. hdtv show is corrupt when i watch it. seems to me that the disk doesn't write all the data due to some bottleneck. i know i need to upgrade

[19:00:28]

skamithi1:

to a faster system and i will .... just trying to squeeze everything out of my current system since xvmc playback has improved alot over the last year or two. i can't figure out if the bottle neck is my disk or pci bus..and if there is anything i can do about it. anyone out there seen this and perhaps figured out a way to minimize the problem ?

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laga:

skamithi1: have you seen this? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_Latency

[19:05:44]

skamithi1:

thx laga. i have playing with those pci latency timers. haven't tried the exact settings mentioned in the wiki. so i'll do that.

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juski:

hmm me hungy. steak & beer I think :)

[19:09:51]

Denidil:

comparative religion papers suck

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juski:

hey hey

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jams:

nice, my nas device isn't fast enough to allow smooth FFW/RRW

[19:13:15]

juski:

mark__: good that you tested the device outside mythtv first. maybe try increasing the scanning timeout

[19:13:22]

jams:

back to local disks for me

[19:13:53]

juski:

damnit I have to stop staring at this theme & go make something to eat

[19:14:38]

mark__:

Hi all.. I'm having a few issues setting up Mythtv... I've managed to get my Hauppauge NOVA-T USB Stick running in Kaffine, But I'm having issues with mythtv. It says that it cannot find my device :s

[19:14:57]

juski:

oh wait it can't find the device?

[19:15:12]

mark__:

Nope.

[19:15:13]

juski:

make sure the user you run mythtv-setup as, is a member of the _video_ group

[19:15:56]

IronEag1e:

hi there... i've a little lirc problem, the modules load just fine, but i dont see anything while testing with irw

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mark__:

It asked me if I wanted to join the group at first run, I selected 'yes'

[19:16:22]

juski:

did you log out & back in again?

[19:16:27]

mark__:

Yes.

[19:16:31]

mark__:

Restarted too.

[19:16:48]

juski:

does kaffeine still work when you log in as the same user you find mythtv-setup doesn't work as?

[19:17:03]

juski:

and you are trying to run mythtv-setup aren't you?

[19:17:16]

IronEag1e:

any ideas where to look? dmesg says "lirc_serial: auto-detected active low receiver", the device node is there, lircd is started, irw gives no error at all

[19:17:18]

juski:

not just going right in feet first without running mythtv-setup

[19:17:31]

juski:

IronEag1e: for lirc issues try #lirc

[19:17:38]

juski:

!topic

[19:17:48]

IronEag1e:

juski: ok, thanks for the pointer

[19:18:15]

IronEag1e:

another issue i have with mythvideo is that keypresses dont get to mplayer while watching a video

[19:18:30]

juski:

use a window managerm IronEag1e

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juski:

focus problem – a classic!

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IronEag1e:

juski: its a gentoo default setup, iirc it emerged evilwm

[19:19:09]

** juski goes to lightly frazzle a steak **

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IronEag1e:

yep, evilwm got emerged as a depedency

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mark__:

juski: I've ran the setup, It finds the Stick Dib700 PC or something like that, I go through the setup with default values, I try to scan for channels it tells me It can't find the device. I also can't see the curser when running the setup :s

[19:20:19]

IronEag1e:

and lirc has just one bot it seems :) at least on freenode

[19:20:59]

planktonboy:

hi guys

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mark__:

Any ideas?

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planktonboy:

does anyone know anything about the flash player in mythweb svn, just installed svn trunk on another pc and all is working well apart from the flash player in mythweb recordings page

[19:23:47]

gbee:

planktonboy: have you installed ffmpeg?

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planktonboy:

gbee, yes

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planktonboy:

I had a similar prob on the other pc but managed to fix that one...but cant remember for the life of me what I did to fix it

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gbee:

planktonboy: the path to ffmpeg is hardcoded to either /usr/bin/ffmpeg or /usr/local/bin/ffmpeg – can't remember which

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Denidil:

hahah

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Denidil:

hahaha

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planktonboy:

I seem to recall that it was installing a different ffmpeg package that I had compiled that worked then, but it doesnt seem to have sorted it on this machine

[19:25:50]

Denidil:

bobbing from apples probably comes from a half-remembered gaelic divination ritual

[19:25:51]

gbee:

try symlinking to from one location to the other

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Denidil:

s/from/for

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planktonboy:

gbee, ah...that might be it

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planktonboy:

let me just check

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planktonboy:

ok symlink is in /usr/bin/ on the pc that works but not on the other one that doesnt

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planktonboy:

so I guess ffmpeg is installed to /usr/local/bin

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sphery:

It's hard coded to use /usr/bin/ffmpeg

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Beirdo:

stupid ISP

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Denidil:

heh

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Denidil:

join the club

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Beirdo:

they take down our cable modem for hours on end some days

[19:30:52]

Denidil:

eek

[19:31:10]

Beirdo:

if I call, they haven't got a clue what's up

[19:31:24]

Denidil:

fun

[19:31:44]

Denidil:

my Qwest DSL is just a touch higher ping than i'm used to... for some reason the routing path is much longer than i really should be

[19:31:55]

Beirdo:

I'd kill for that right now

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Denidil:

i think it's because qwest is routing me through MSN as an ISP instead of using their local affiliate ISP

[19:32:19]

Denidil:

100ms to everquest servers on my cable connection at my old place compared to 130ms on my new connection

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Denidil:

my apartment was supposed to come with high speed internet – they didn't tell you that it was shared-band-width port-filtered qos-mutilated garbage

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Beirdo:

Oh, I get good ping times IF it works

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Beirdo:

I've tried 3 times today to listen to a show off BBC7 online

[19:33:45]

Beirdo:

but the internet keeps buggering up

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Denidil:

eek

[19:34:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: when I switched to FiOS, I sold my cable modem to a guy in PR... ;-)

[19:34:27]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

wonder what Liberty Cablevision thought of that?

[19:35:00]

opello:

viva la resistance?

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laga:

Denidil: don't pay full rent then

[19:35:39]

Beirdo:

oh and one of their cable guys dropped by today... to the wrong house

[19:35:45]

Beirdo:

at least he could speak English

[19:35:56]

Beirdo:

"No, I'm not Armando"

[19:36:21]

Beirdo:

"Right house number, wrong street, this is Zirconia, not Turquesa"

[19:36:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

I bought my own cable modem after having c*cast for about 2 years. They charged $29.95/month for 'high-speed' internet, and $10/month modem rental. Then 3 months later they changed their pricing to $36.95/month and $3/month rental.

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Beirdo:

good to know that cable dudes are stupid everywhere though

[19:37:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

So people who reneted their modems still paid $39.95/month, but those of us who owned our modems got bumped up $7/month... jerks...

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laga:

Beirdo: you ought to learn spanish :)

[19:37:15]

Beirdo:

sounds par for the course, J-e-f-f-A

[19:37:19]

** Beirdo slaps laga **

[19:37:23]

Beirdo:

yeah, I should

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laga:

:)

[19:37:58]

Beirdo:

don't need *you* whining at me about it too :)

[19:37:59]

Beirdo:

hehe

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J-e-f-f-A:

Berido: Was he on time for the appointment?

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planktonboy:

gbee, thanks mate that was it

[19:38:25]

Beirdo:

heh, likely. they do the "8am-5pm" appointments here just like back in Toronto

[19:38:34]

Beirdo:

God forbid you actually have a job and can't be home

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planktonboy:

Ive been struggling all day and all night last night with that 1 thing

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Denidil:

i bought my own ADSL modem – it's not "officially supported" – but it supports every farking ADSL/ADSL2/ADSL2+ protocol in existance :D

[19:38:46]

planktonboy:

trying to finish off this pc for my mother

[19:38:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: They do those here in the US too, but usually show up at 5:30 or 6pm...

[19:38:54]

laga:

Beirdo: i can call you at night and bitch about it if you want me to :)

[19:39:00]

planktonboy:

and nearly done now :)

[19:39:21]

Denidil:

and it does the PPPoA that they require for usage, but then assigns the IP to whatever box is etherneted to it (in this case the WAN port on my Linksys WRT54G)

[19:39:27]

Beirdo:

yeah, they showed up once (in Ottawa) at 5:45 for a 8–5... then charged me extra for being after ours

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planktonboy:

sudo ln -s /usr/local/bin/ffmpeg /usr/bin

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gbee:

heh, argument over whether tv_grab_de_tvtoday is legal going on in xmltv-devel

[19:39:48]

Beirdo:

needless to say, I called in the next day and ripped them a new arsehole

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opello:

refund?

[19:40:13]

Beirdo:

took a whole day off work for that retard to show late...

[19:40:17]

gbee:

looks possible that German users could lose their listings source

[19:40:20]

Beirdo:

yeah, I just had to pay for the parts

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opello:

nice

[19:40:36]

Denidil:

why would tv_grab_de_tvtoday be illegal?

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Beirdo:

oh, and he didn't ring up to the apt, he just showed up, and didn't knock

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Beirdo:

I heard some scratching at the door... it was him putting a "you weren't home" note on the door

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opello:

haha, wow

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gbee:

Denidil: terms and conditions of the tvtoday website may not allow it's use

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Beirdo:

incomptent 'tard

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Denidil:

gbee: ah... any other listing source they can switch to?

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planktonboy:

gbee, thanks very much

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laga:

gbee: nice, gotta read that

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gbee:

Denidil: don't know, but I think it will cause a headache if they have to find an alternative

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laga:

gbee: we still have tv_grab_de_prisma and some other grabber

[19:42:41]

Beirdo:

then the same cable co... when I cancelled service... They told me to bring the box to a store

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gbee:

laga: ahh, so not exactly short of options :)

[19:42:58]

Beirdo:

so I did, and THEY scheduled a buttcrack to come pick it up

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Beirdo:

he didn't show...

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laga:

gbee: yup.

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Beirdo:

so I called them, told them... "Look, I'm cancelling service. The store won't take the box, your tech never showed up. I'm leaving it outside my door, come and get it, it's not my problem anymore"

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Beirdo:

funny, a cable guy was there in 20min

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laga:

gbee: the second grabber uses data provided by tv movie for their "clickfinder" which is some desktop EPG app. normally, you have to pay 13€/year, but their data is accessible over http. duh.

[19:44:36]

Beirdo:

gotta love Rogers.

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gbee:

laga: heh, well lets hope no-one ever looks at the legality of that one ;)

[19:45:21]

Denidil:

cable companies and phone companies are north america are a bunch of arseholes because they have no competition

[19:45:34]

Denidil:

free market my arse... natural monopoly backed by government support

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laga:

gbee: i talked to a few companies over providing an XMLTV feed of their data. tv movie is not allowed to do so, epgdata.com and pps never really got me back to me.

[19:45:38]

mkrufky:

+1

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Beirdo:

Denidil, yeah, so true

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laga:

gbee: which makes me an angry gnome :(

[19:46:07]

Denidil:

after the 1st year deal on my dsl it'll go up to $50/year

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Denidil:

for just the dsl

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Denidil:

no phone service, anything

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mkrufky:

VERIZON refuses to run fiber to my office, because they're too busy running fios in nyc

[19:46:22]

Denidil:

it's 1.5mbit down/.8mbit up

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Beirdo:

only $50/year?!

[19:46:29]

Denidil:

year month

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Beirdo:

ooooh

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Denidil:

heh

[19:46:42]

Denidil:

my hands are not listening to my brain

[19:46:47]

Beirdo:

I was gonna say... who do I have to mug to get THAT deal?

[19:46:54]

gbee:

laga: heh, you and your ever changing nick – didn't realise

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Denidil:

anyway.. in london for 2mbit DSL + phone service + cable service... it costs $57/us a month in a package deal from Sky

[19:47:27]

Denidil:

if it was $50/year i would sploooooodge

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Denidil:

and get DUAL DSL :D

[19:47:37]

Beirdo:

at $50/year, I'd get like 5

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Beirdo:

and a real router to bind em together

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Denidil:

and if it was $50/year for 1.5mbit it would probably be like $75/year for the 7mbit

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laga:

gbee: it's not really ever-changing. i just recovered laga after 1.5 years. :)

[19:48:19]

Beirdo:

I just want an OC3 to home

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gbee:

:)

[19:48:42]

laga:

gbee: bodo tasche's posting scares me.

[19:48:53]

Beirdo:

OC192 maybe. That would do me

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Denidil:

heh

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Denidil:

stream HDTV over the net?

[19:50:22]

laga:

gbee: ah well, i'm still youg enough to leave this country if legislation becomes too bad. i could move to the US or something. oh, wait...

[19:50:34]

Denidil:

what i really want is congress to get some balls on and force the HDTV upgrade, force CableCards to be usable in PCs, Force CableCard 2.0

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Denidil:

who wohnst du, laga?

[19:51:10]

Denidil:

wo*

[19:51:22]

Denidil:

typos+rusty german.. weee

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laga:

Denidil: deutschland? :)

[19:51:38]

Denidil:

where in germany smartarse :P

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Beirdo:

heheh

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laga:

Denidil: saarland, close to the french border

[19:51:56]

gbee:

laga: heh, yeah ... we're fast running out of countries which aren't on a direct track to totalitarianism

[19:51:59]

Denidil:

aah

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Beirdo:

hey, he coulda been in Austria or Switzerland and be German-speaking :)

[19:52:16]

mkrufky:

cablecard 2.0 ?? is that a real standard?

[19:52:39]

gbee:

laga: but I think Germany is some way behind the UK ... I've been checking out my emigration options for some time now

[19:52:42]

laga:

gbee: yup. it's really scary. i'm getting more and more paranoid about what stuff i should allow de.mythtvtalk.com. *shiver*

[19:52:44]

Beirdo:

can't be all THAT hard to get a .de login or something

[19:53:13]

laga:

gbee: heh, we don't have that many cameras yet

[19:53:17]

Beirdo:

move to Jamaica... become a rastafarian

[19:53:23]

laga:

Denidil: did you learn your german in high school?

[19:53:30]

Beirdo:

more ganja for all

[19:54:14]

Denidil:

yes

[19:54:29]

Denidil:

mkrufky: it's an upcoming one

[19:54:38]

mkrufky:

Denidil: hopefully? or really?

[19:54:41]

Denidil:

mkrufky: to allow for interactive things like VOD and multiple tuning

[19:55:08]

mkrufky:

hmm, well i'll keep my fingers crossed, then

[19:55:32]

Denidil:

laga: i know.. i heard it.. went on a trip to germany, austria, leichtenstine and switzerland in 2000 (during Euro 2000 :D ... missed the finaly though :( was being played while we were on the plane back)

[19:55:44]

laga:

Denidil: nice :)

[19:56:50]

Denidil:

i was 16 at the time

[19:57:00]

Denidil:

had 1 week family stays in Quickborn

[19:57:17]

Denidil:

my host brothers were life guards at one of the pools there so i changed in the life guard changing room with them... and all the women :D

[19:57:25]

Denidil:

coed changing room 4tw :D

[19:58:02]

laga:

that's not too common in europe, afaik

[19:58:11]

Denidil:

and it's unheard of here!

[19:58:18]

laga:

heh

[20:00:18]

Denidil:

if we weren't forbidden from getting laid on the trip under pain-of-being-sent-home-to-the-states i probably would have gotten lucky with one of the female lifeguards.. she was majorly hot too

[20:00:41]

Beirdo:

hehe

[20:00:49]

Beirdo:

and how would they have known?

[20:00:54]

laga:

pf

[20:00:55]

Denidil:

yeah... i should have done it :P

[20:01:05]

laga:

i knew some exchange students once who ignored that rule, too

[20:01:15]

Beirdo:

unless you did her in front of everyone, what would they know?

[20:01:18]

Denidil:

it's not like anyone else from the trip group was there at the time

[20:01:26]

mkrufky:

what a stupid rule!!! why?

[20:01:39]

Denidil:

from what i was told of her by my host brothers... she probably would have bragged actually

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Beirdo:

mkrufky, they don't wanna spread the fine american DNA?

[20:01:46]

mkrufky:

rules are meant to be broken

[20:01:47]

Denidil:

"woohoo i got the hot american" :D

[20:02:03]

mkrufky:

lol

[20:02:24]

Denidil:

she had the best tits ever though... and i would know... she changed standing right next to me :P

[20:02:36]

Beirdo:

no comment :)

[20:02:45]

Denidil:

heh

[20:02:48]

laga:

american*

[20:02:49]

Denidil:

because americans are prude

[20:03:10]

Denidil:

ZOMG A TIT! MY CHILD IS GOING TO BE CORRUPTED FOR LIFE!! cult-of-virginity sex-hating nonsense curteousy of the puritans

[20:03:30]

Beirdo:

yeah, but they feel free to show someone slaughtering others with guns

[20:03:32]

Beirdo:

go figure

[20:03:51]

mkrufky:

the seed is meant to be spilled

[20:04:02]

laga:

Denidil: that's OK, those kids are usually the dirty whores

[20:04:07]

mkrufky:

uh-oh. ... religious fanatics, please dont respond to that

[20:04:19]

Denidil:

laga: hmm?

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[20:04:43]

Denidil:

laga: which kids you talking about

[20:04:57]

Beirdo:

mkrufky, you remind me of the Monty Python song... Every Sperm Is Sacred

[20:04:57]

Beirdo:

hehe

[20:05:09]

Beirdo:

Denidil, the "preacher's kid" type

[20:05:20]

opello:

heh

[20:05:22]

Denidil:

aah

[20:05:23]

Beirdo:

when they rebel, they REALLY rebel

[20:05:26]

mkrufky:

hehehe

[20:05:37]

Denidil:

there was something that came out on whether or not those "chastity" pledges were succesful

[20:05:53]

laga:

Denidil: the girls subjected to the whole hypocritical "true love can wait" bullshit

[20:05:59]

laga:

(we need an offtopic channel)

[20:06:00]

Denidil:

excluding about 16% of the kids that give those pledge who are robot-like in their discipline – the rest only delayed first sex on average of 18 months

[20:06:06]

Denidil:

and they were much less likely to use protection

[20:06:15]

laga:

Denidil: they're bullshit

[20:06:15]

Denidil:

laga: that's why i say "cult-of-virginity"

[20:06:29]

** Denidil hates religion with a passion.. all religion.... all the time **

[20:06:37]

Denidil:

you could say my religion is hating religion :P

[20:06:52]

opello:

self-loathing, awesome

[20:06:55]

laga:

i won't comment on that :)#

[20:06:56]

Denidil:

or that i hate religion with religious fervor! :D

[20:07:07]

** Denidil chuckles **

[20:08:10]

stuarta:

this channel is rarely on topic

[20:08:23]

Beirdo:

so true

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Beirdo:

some times further from topic than others though

[20:09:35]

laga:

being offtopic and channel logging is not a great combination, though

[20:10:06]

Beirdo:

heheh

[20:10:06]

Denidil:

heh

[20:10:17]

Beirdo:

especially should Denidil have a wife

[20:10:20]

Denidil:

i do

[20:10:22]

Denidil:

and she knows the story

[20:10:40]

Denidil:

though.... i'm not on my regular nickname – this is the name of my EQ character.... lol

[20:10:41]

Beirdo:

well, she does now! :)

[20:11:12]

Denidil:

though the original spelling before i server transfered.. when i server transfered i had to add a second I – Deniidil instead of Denidil – otherwise i would have had to put up with Denidilx as a name

[20:11:13]

Beirdo:

aw man

[20:11:26]

Beirdo:

now I gotta rake up all the cut grass

[20:11:29]

Beirdo:

blah.

[20:11:35]

Denidil:

rake up cut grass what?

[20:11:41]

Denidil:

mulching mower what?

[20:11:50]

Beirdo:

we don't have a mulching mower

[20:12:12]

Beirdo:

we don't have a mower, we borrow my father-in-law's POS that stalls if the grass is more than 3" high

[20:12:37]

Denidil:

eek

[20:12:38]

Beirdo:

I wish that employment opportunity comes through SOON!

[20:12:47]

Beirdo:

this is so annoying...

[20:12:57]

opello:

it's code for getting the drugs

[20:12:58]

Beirdo:

oh, and he insists it "needs" premium gas

[20:13:06]

** juski hands Beirdo a strimmer/flamethrower **

[20:13:14]

Beirdo:

hehe

[20:13:23]

juski:

Enomoregrass!

[20:13:26]

Beirdo:

and growing season here is 365.25 days/year

[20:14:16]

Denidil:

wtf yum install dvb-apps didn't put anything that starts in atsc on my system

[20:14:22]

Beirdo:

Costco has a nice Honda with bagger for $250 or so

[20:14:33]

juski:

Denidil: not dvb-utils?

[20:14:45]

mkrufky:

Denidil: scan == atscscan

[20:14:54]

mkrufky:

atscscan is gone

[20:15:03]

Denidil:

aaah

[20:15:13]

mkrufky:

(depending onthe distro)

[20:15:27]

mkrufky:

see? look how quickly we can get back on-topic

[20:15:30]

Denidil:

bah backend is recording things i want to record anyway

[20:15:39]

laga:

mkrufky: porn porn porn porn porn porn

[20:15:42]

mkrufky:

:-D

[20:15:43]

Denidil:

i have "scandvb"

[20:15:45]

Denidil:

PORN

[20:15:51]

mkrufky:

Denidil: scandvb is it

[20:15:51]

Denidil:

speaking of porn.... i have something better

[20:16:09]

Denidil:

what is the program to monitor signal level

[20:16:11]

laga:

porn²?

[20:16:14]

laga:

Denidil: femon

[20:16:23]

Denidil:

horny wife > porn

[20:16:30]

Denidil:

femon?

[20:16:32]

mkrufky:

...if you like that sorta thing

[20:16:33]

laga:

femon.

[20:16:35]

Beirdo:

horny wife + camcorder = porn

[20:16:38]

Denidil:

lol

[20:16:44]

Denidil:

wife + camcorder = dead me

[20:16:50]

Beirdo:

heh, yeah well

[20:17:01]

laga:

wife + camcorder + GHB + webspace = money

[20:17:02]

laga:

see

[20:17:07]

laga:

public logging is no good

[20:17:15]

mkrufky:

oops

[20:17:18]

juski:

horny girlfriend + camcorder + years going by, losing tape, finding some tapes years later.. no camcorder to play tapes back on..

[20:17:23]

Beirdo:

laga: you are doomed if you ever get married

[20:17:42]

mkrufky:

laga: dont tell them about the camera behind the mirror, on the ceiling

[20:17:59]

laga:

Beirdo: i'll just sue you, archive.org, google cache and whoever mirrors these conversations :)

[20:18:05]

juski:

mkrufky: whaddya mean don't tell em? they wake up in the street

[20:18:07]

Denidil:

lol

[20:18:18]

mkrufky:

lol

[20:18:26]

Beirdo:

silly boys

[20:18:38]

laga:

juski: that sucks (wrt camcorder)

[20:18:39]

mkrufky:

considering today is friday, this is all TOTALLY on-topic

[20:18:53]

Denidil:

10megapixel camera + wife = mmmmmmm goooood

[20:18:55]

Beirdo:

juski, buy a new camcorder?

[20:19:04]

Beirdo:

Denidil, don't forget + tripod

[20:19:05]

Denidil:

i had wanted to get the camera.. but she ended up wanting to impulse buy it :D

[20:19:13]

Denidil:

2GB memory card too

[20:19:14]

juski:

Beirdo: video8 :(

[20:19:35]

Beirdo:

juski, OK, that will be rougher, but Sony still sells Digi8, which should read em

[20:19:49]

Beirdo:

do you have an electronics store that will take returns no questions asked?

[20:19:59]

juski:

hmm good idea!

[20:20:07]

Denidil:

can mythrename.pl rebuild all the names on all currently recorded programs?

[20:20:18]

juski:

yes

[20:20:21]

Beirdo:

transfer em onto DVD or something, return the camera :)

[20:20:23]

juski:

mythrename.pl --help

[20:20:26]

Denidil:

kk

[20:20:31]

juski:

Beirdo: upload to youtube.. er oops

[20:20:36]

Beirdo:

heheh

[20:20:45]

Beirdo:

sure, that works too

[20:21:11]

Beirdo:

be sure to send a copy to her current BF/husband :)

[20:21:19]

mkrufky:

hmm, that mythrename.pl doesnt seem to be included in the atrpms fedora packages

[20:21:22]

juski:

no idea where she even lives now

[20:21:40]

Denidil:

hmm.. mythrename.pl --help didn't really help

[20:21:40]

juski:

'we must keep in touch' was never less true :)

[20:21:44]

Beirdo:

well, just see where the cease & desist letter comes from, that should tell ya

[20:21:55]

juski:

rofl

[20:22:20]

Denidil:

one girl friend once broke up with me with the "just want to go back to being friends"

[20:22:23]

Denidil:

and i never heard from her again

[20:22:24]

Denidil:

beotch

[20:22:35]

Beirdo:

great friend SHE is

[20:22:42]

Denidil:

she's probably married and has 4 kids by now... one of those uber-proper catholics when i dated her

[20:22:47]

mkrufky:

tell her that friends fark

[20:22:59]

jduggan_:

you can never be friends with someone when u know what their insides feel like

[20:23:05]

mkrufky:

yes u can :-D

[20:23:06]

juski:

my ex was something of a fark buddy before I'd ever even heard the term. that didn't work so well though

[20:23:14]

Denidil:

lol mkr

[20:23:41]

Denidil:

hey juski.. is there more... detailed... documentation for mythrename.pl

[20:23:52]

Beirdo:

less mythrename.pl?

[20:23:54]

Denidil:

because what it shows me doesn't answer my question how to use it

[20:23:58]

juski:

how much more detail do you want?

[20:24:14]

opello:

grep ^# mythrename.pl

[20:24:18]

laga:

Denidil: yes, but he needs a video8 camcorder first

[20:24:20]

Denidil:

Beirdo: i shouldn't have to read the bloody code

[20:24:34]

juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythrename.pl

[20:24:41]

Denidil:

juski: i want to know two things A) how do run it right now to have it rename all existing recordings, B) how to set it as a user job to rename new ones

[20:24:55]

Denidil:

juski: which tells you absolutely nothing

[20:24:57]

juski:

Denidil: user jobs are documented in the wiki

[20:25:38]

Denidil:

but mythrename.pl isn't documented

[20:25:56]

opello:

in all this time, you could have read the source and figured it out

[20:25:59]

Denidil:

do i just run it ./mythrename.pl or do i need to run with with a filename after...

[20:26:02]

opello:

and probably documented it :)

[20:26:15]

Denidil:

assuming i can understand it.. don't know perl

[20:26:22]

juski:

mythrename.pl --help just gave me a shed load of information

[20:26:23]

Denidil:

though perl CAN be very easy to understand

[20:26:36]

Denidil:

juski: none of that information answers my question though

[20:27:01]

laga:

what is your question?

[20:27:11]

Denidil:

<Denidil> juski: i want to know two things A) how do run it right now to have it rename all existing recordings, B) how to set it as a user job to rename new ones

[20:27:26]

juski:

I assume that if you run it right now without any options it'll rename all your recordings with the default scheme

[20:27:48]

Denidil:

that is what i assumed too.. just wanted to have confirmation

[20:27:53]

Denidil:

assumptions + computers = disasters

[20:28:02]

juski:

though you're right I don't see anything there that says "If denidil wants to rename all his recordings..."

[20:28:35]

juski:

sounds like something I'd take to get rid of a headache not give me a headache

[20:28:38]

juski:

:-|

[20:29:01]

Denidil:

juski: don't be a pain

[20:29:07]

Beirdo:

you need a beer

[20:29:09]

Denidil:

it doesn't tell you the usage

[20:29:19]

Denidil:

it tells you how to set options.. but it doesn't tell you usage

[20:30:08]

juski:

they're not cold yet

[20:30:23]

Beirdo:

I wish I had remembered to make ice

[20:30:35]

Beirdo:

vodka on the rocks would be good right now

[20:30:44]

Denidil:

hmm... it renamed files that are currently open... hope that won't cause a problem

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juski:

I just read the --help message & got how to use it. if it could do with some examples or something hey mythtv's open source – somebody could make a patch

[20:32:57]

Beirdo:

as long as it ain't me

[20:32:58]

Beirdo:

heh

[20:33:03]

juski:

as for how to set up a user job... it's pretty simple. just put the command you want to run into the user job field, set the time limits to run between & off you go

[20:33:28]

juski:

there's no need to pass parameters to the user job in your case, so it's even easier than usual

[20:35:01]

juski:

svn commit

[20:35:02]

juski:

doh

[20:35:09]

Beirdo:

hehe

[20:36:27]

Denidil:

wtfh .. my analog tuners aren't getting signal

[20:37:21]

Beirdo:

you might want to connect them to something then

[20:37:56]

clever:

the tv's in my hotel which are wired with what looks like analog coax

[20:37:57]

Denidil:

they're connected

[20:38:05]

clever:

just hadd msg about no sat signal

[20:38:07]

Denidil:

hmm.. i wonder if cable service went down

[20:38:28]

Denidil:

rebooting the system incase it's a tuner problem

[20:38:31]

Denidil:

brb

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clever:

the just must be taking sat and shoving it into a coax in analog form

[20:38:50]

clever:

the hotel*

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Beirdo:

quite likely

[20:39:10]

clever:

it also said something on that screen about a chanel in the 7xx area

[20:39:16]

clever:

which the tv wont handle:P

[20:39:39]

clever:

which explains why i cant find the tv listing on zap2it

[20:42:38]

Beirdo:

hmmm

[20:42:45]

Beirdo:

I really need to valgrind that bot

[20:42:56]

Beirdo:

its memory is VERY slowly increasing

[20:43:30]

clever:

which bot?

[20:43:39]

** Beirdo points at MythLogBot **

[20:44:00]

Beirdo:

I'm sure there's a minor memory leak somewhere

[20:44:01]

clever:

ahh

[20:44:05]

Beirdo:

but I'll live

[20:44:56]

Beirdo:

it's at 2080k resident right now

[20:45:04]

clever:

lol

[20:45:14]

clever:

i think something in my laptop leaks

[20:45:19]

Beirdo:

was 2076k a few minutes ago

[20:45:19]

clever:

posible the X server

[20:45:24]

laga:

clever: the battery?

[20:45:28]

clever:

because it can bootup and run a bit with no swap

[20:45:28]

Beirdo:

I'll see what it says tomorrow

[20:45:43]

clever:

but after a week the swap is 50–100mb used

[20:45:53]

clever:

and allmost nothing i close can clear that up

[20:45:54]

Beirdo:

firefox :)

[20:46:08]

Beirdo:

it magically eats memory for me

[20:46:13]

clever:

i close ff often

[20:46:17]

clever:

but thats just a small chunk of it

[20:46:33]

laga:

google gets fscking useless with all those shops occupying the first search results.

[20:46:40]

clever:

Filename Type Size Used Priority

[20:46:40]

clever:

/dev/hda5 partition 746980 144484 -1

[20:46:47]

juski:

mmm vodka .. who needs beer when you have vodka, real lemon & ice

[20:46:59]

clever:

Filename Type Size Used Priority

[20:47:02]

clever:

/dev/hda5 partition 746980 144484 -1

[20:47:03]

clever:

forgot to |expand it:P

[20:47:16]

Beirdo:

a glass full of ice.... then fill with vodka

[20:47:18]

Beirdo:

enjoy

[20:47:49]

Denidil:

cable outtages are the devil

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clever:

the laptop that info is for doesnt even have X running atm

[20:47:53]

Beirdo:

I swear I'm secretly half-russian

[20:47:58]

Denidil:

especially when they make me think that my PVR-500 blew up

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gbee:

no vodka here, some JD though ... think I'll stick with the cold beer though

[20:49:27]

clever:

!agr

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clever:

!age

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clever:

I am 20.215352 years old. (I'll be 21 in 41wks 8hrs 10mins 26secs.)

[20:49:32]

crud_laptop:

I have hda-intel sound (hi def intel sound) and can't seem to control volume at all through myth....alsmixer controls volume fine

[20:49:41]

clever:

not old enough now that im in the us

[20:50:13]

Beirdo:

since when is nb.aliant.net in the US?

[20:50:35]

laga:

clever: do what any smart under-age kid would do. smoke dope or take methamphetamine

[20:50:48]

clever:

Beirdo: im accessing the irssi client at home thru ssh

[20:50:51]

juski:

clever: since when did people over the age of 7 or 8 count their age in fractions of years?!

[20:50:52]

Beirdo:

ooooh

[20:50:53]

clever:

your not seeing my real ip

[20:51:09]

Beirdo:

go back to civilization... er New Brunswick

[20:51:16]

Beirdo:

so ya can get tanked

[20:51:17]

clever:

irssi is running on my busted up laptop on a desk at home

[20:51:24]

clever:

im ssh'ed back into it from the hotel in cleveland

[20:51:39]

clever:

line editing is a tad laggy and so is scrolling

[20:51:41]

juski:

talk about a glamorous lifestyle. Gee whizz

[20:51:49]

clever:

and it takes 6 hours to transfer a 1hour mythtv nuv over:P

[20:51:51]

Beirdo:

Ontario's only a few hours away :)

[20:52:29]

juski:

she's dead against going to the US, still

[20:52:40]

Beirdo:

age of drinkin in Ontario is 19... Quebec 18... not sure about NB

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clever:

nb 19 i think

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Denidil:

UK it's 11 :P

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clever:

LOL

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juski:

they should raise it to 30 all over the UK

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Beirdo:

they should just get rid of stupid drinking age laws

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Beirdo:

and make parents teach kids how to drink responsibly

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juski:

in Ashton Under Lyne, babies are born with bottle of Bacardi Breezer in their hand

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Denidil:

i have yet to find an alcoholic beverage i like :(

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juski:

.. and cigarette in mouth

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juski:

Denidil: try Bacardi Breezer :-P

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Beirdo:

Bacardi 151?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

now THAT's a man's drink

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juski:

or the concoction they call WKD here. tastes like fizzy pop but turns even the vicar's daughter into an asshole with a bad attitude

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laga:

bacardi breezer. blech

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clever:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_drinking_age

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juski:

Beirdo: no idea. never been near enough to a bottle to find out

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Beirdo:

if it's made with rum, it's acceptable even if it's a girly drink

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juski:

all those things don't even taste alcoholic – that's the great injustice

[20:56:10]

Beirdo:

that's the fun part

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Beirdo:

good fer giving to the girlfriend... oh wait... logged channel

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juski:

alcohol is an acquired taste.. and for those too lazy to spend time acquiring it there are the alcopops

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

well, I drink vodka straight, so I guess I acquired the taste

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juski:

I've not had a JD since I packed in the nicotine. I'll have to treat myself tomorrow

[20:57:53]

juski:

or if anybody feels like donating since I've released the new projectgrayhem!!!

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Beirdo:

JD's fun... if you ever to to Tennessee, take a trip to the distillery

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juski:

deffo!

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clever:

Beirdo: 8 in Alberta,Manitoba and Quebec; 19 elsewhere. Drinking by minors under adult supervision is permitted in licensed premises in the provinces of Manitoba and New Brunswick and at home in Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland and Labrador, Alberta, British Columbia, and Saskatchewan. [2] Legal drinking age legislation falls under provincial jurisdiction.

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clever:

18*

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Beirdo:

it's kinda in the middle of nowhere, but about 1–1.5h drive from Nashville, right near the Alabama border

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk – new improved projectgrayhem-wide

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juski:

Beirdo: and in a dry town by what i read

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

dry county

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juski:

of all the...

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juski:

!

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Beirdo:

which is just silliness at its best

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Beirdo:

most of the US isn't THAT screwy, but parts of the south are still "dry"

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juski:

something I've never heard anything about.. is there anywhere in the US you can't buy guns?

[21:00:30]

Beirdo:

but you can just drive to the next county, buy all the booze ya want, drive home with it

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gbee:

US drinking laws are postively archane when you look at the wikipedia page – the only other countries when they purchase age is 21 are Islamic countries where drinking is against the relgion anyway

[21:00:39]

Beirdo:

not sure

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juski:

heh. i remember being asked for ID when I was 25, in FL

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gbee:

hehe

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laga:

i remember being asked for ID when i was 13

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clever:

my dad was carded a few years ago

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Beirdo:

hehe

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clever:

when he was in his 40's

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Beirdo:

maybe they wanted to know if he should get a senior's discount?

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clever:

double the legal age:P

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gbee:

last time I was ever asked for ID was the night before my 18th – no-one has ever asked since ....

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

last time for me, I was still on campus at university

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juski:

I'll never forget my 1st ever trip to the USA

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Beirdo:

they card EVERYONE in that bar

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Beirdo:

including profs

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juski:

I wanna go again & see it when I'm NOT working

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juski:

oo something that has never occurred to me in all this time.. I could look up where I stayed

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Beirdo:

one of my profs got carded and asked the guy "weren't you in my class last year? And you think I'm under 19?!"

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clever:

lol

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Beirdo:

bot's up to 2112k

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gbee:

I remember that I *wasn't* asked for ID when I was 13 in Greece on a School trip – but even then we were amazed when we left the shop to see a boy no older than 8 drinking from a bottle (spirit) in the street

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clever:

we could spam the channel a bit to increase the leak

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clever:

:P

[21:05:04]

clever:

can you make it join anothe rroom?

[21:05:18]

Beirdo:

it was at 33MB when I shut it down for the upgrade a few hours ago

[21:05:24]

clever:

LOL

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mkrufky:

have a good weekend ,. guys

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** clever trys to valgrind a backend that doesnt record **

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gbee:

Beirdo: I think your bot may be leaking

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gbee:

:p

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** mkrufky is leavin **

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Beirdo:

gbee, aye, but only slightly

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Beirdo:

I'll valgrind it sometime soon, track down the buglet

[21:06:48]

gbee:

at least it will probably be easier to valgrind than something the size of mythbackend or mythfrontend

[21:06:57]

Beirdo:

yeah, so true

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Beirdo:

although it's about 10 threads

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Beirdo:

heh

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clever:

mythbackend on a framegrabber will die with valgrind:P

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juski:

clever: good!

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juski:

saving it from itself is what I'd call that

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clever:

lol

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clever:

got any spare cash?:P

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Beirdo:

I'll see if the test bot is linearly growing too

[21:08:26]

Beirdo:

if so, it will be a lot easier to valgrind :)

[21:08:47]

juski:

hm. either my brain was playing tricks on me about the trailer park that backed onto my hotel in FL, or they've knocked it down & built houses there

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Beirdo:

likely blown away by one of the many hurricanes

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clever:

theres tornado warnings for this area

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clever:

bbl

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Beirdo:

yeah, one of my friends is just south of there and is worried about golf-ball sized hail

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clever:

akron area?

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

Alliance

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Beirdo:

just south of Akron

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clever:

also

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clever:

even if the entire hotel is torn up

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clever:

i wont disapear on irc:P

[21:10:43]

Beirdo:

and he's hoping his university (Kent) gets redesigned a bit

[21:10:58]

clever:

the actual irc connection is ctrlproxy on theP4(mythtv backend)

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clever:

and im accessing it thru irssi on the laptop(also at home)

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juski:

seen plenty complaints about the tv stations over there plastering weather warnings all over the picture. why couldn't they just have used some parts of the digital signals for stuff like that so you at least have the option to turn it off?

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juski:

clever: that's reassuring for us

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clever:

lol

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clever:

i also got a sat signal lost image on the tv here

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clever:

which appears to have plain coax going into

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clever:

it

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juski:

hotel tv systems are nifty these days

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sphery:

juski: Mine have 24-hour weather subchannels, but still interrupt the programming (and since their equipment can't encode HDTV real-time, the do it with the SDTV stretched and upscaled).

[21:12:31]

clever:

bbl

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Beirdo:

hmmmm

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sphery:

I'll go crazy if they don't have their systems upgraded before the next bad hurricane season.

[21:13:22]

Beirdo:

I wonder if the memory leak ain't in the RSSfeed code

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juski:

sphery: is this because people would sue if the station doesn't plaster the info all over the picture?

[21:14:20]

sphery:

Probably.

[21:14:27]

juski:

crazy

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sphery:

I was so engrossed in Dancing with the Stars that I didn't notice my roof had been torn off...

[21:15:09]

juski:

I'd be tempted to say... you need this hi-tech box that you need to enable a feature on to be warned of dangerous weather

[21:15:17]

juski:

that should help natural selection move on a bit

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Beirdo:

we shall soon see, I unloaded it

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juski:

http://www.bestwesternflorida.com/hotels/best . . . derdale-inn/

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juski:

oops

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sphery:

Before going to HDTV it didn't bother me too much because of manual zoom. Now that they do the 5.1ch audio to 2ch audio/HDTV to SDTV stretched thing, it's really annoying.

[21:15:57]

Beirdo:

down to 1572k, let's see if its stable

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juski:

anyway that was where I stayed

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juski:

hey if you ever get the chance to go over & do a training course from some people whose jobs you're taking over – do it – it's an experience!

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Beirdo:

heheh

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hads:

heh, probably worse going the other way

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juski:

then get out of the hire compound , stop, start, stop, start.. whoah hey that bus is driving on the wrong side..

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Beirdo:

I haven't driven standard in quite a while

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juski:

wait it's getting closer... still on the wrong side.. fscking asshole!

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juski:

arghh!

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

poor brit

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sphery:

I have a manual and every time I go on a 1- or 2-week business trip with an automatic rental I kill my truck when I get to the toll booth (first stop) on my way home from the airport.

[21:20:25]

Beirdo:

drivin on the wrong side of the road

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sphery:

I forget to hit the clutch when I brake to a stop.

[21:20:49]

Beirdo:

in north america we drive on the RIGHT side, not the wrong side... (hehe)

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juski:

ended up in downtown miami at 11.30pm after missing a turn. oh man

[21:20:54]

Beirdo:

yeah, that sucks

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sphery:

I agree.

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Beirdo:

ooooops

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juski:

closest I've ever been to having a real life panic attack. lol

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sphery:

(even though it makes more sense mechanically to design a car the way juski likes)

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Beirdo:

OK 1388k freshly started

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hads:

See that Top Gear episode when they went to Miami?

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juski:

yup

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juski:

staged, as always but still funny

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hads:

Yeah

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juski:

I loved the breakfast at my hotel. doughnuts or dayglo breakfast sugar/cereal thing

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Beirdo:

mmmm, fruit loops

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juski:

they have a restaurant now of course. typical

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sphery:

Next time you're in FL you should let me know and I'll drive down to buy you a couple of beers for the themes...

[21:23:58]

juski:

doughnuts for breakfast?! not even I'm that much of a bat fastard

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Beirdo:

that's a good breakfast

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Beirdo:

donuts and coffee.

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juski:

I def. wanna see the beach again. oooboy

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Beirdo:

make ya feel like a fatass American cop

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sphery:

So you were here getting training from people whose jobs you were taking?

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juski:

no fat-asses down the beach. blimey no

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juski:

sphery: yeah. idea was to learn their test process & implement it in the UK

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sphery:

Cool.

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juski:

company Sun bought

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juski:

Encore Inc I think they were called

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sphery:

I do training for a part-time job and have seen a lot of people on both sides of that coin...

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Beirdo:

speaking of Sun... I should go play with the E4500 a bit

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juski:

I miss working at Celestica sometimes. MG the travelling/expenses I did

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juski:

Cannes/Nice.. Wuppertal/Nurembourg..

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juski:

saw SF for a couple of days

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

Did you get some good sourdough?

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juski:

where?

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Beirdo:

wow, I think my first instinct as to the location of the memory leak was right

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sphery:

San Francisco (or was it some other SF?)

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Beirdo:

hasn't grown yet

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sphery:

nice

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juski:

SF? we went to some restaurant on the wharf thing – I had some seafood thing & the waiter put a polythene bib around my neck

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sphery:

I usually spend more time than that getting motivated to start chasing the memory leak.

[21:28:25]

Beirdo:

so now I just need to FIND the leak in that plugin, I guess

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Beirdo:

sigh

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juski:

furthest junket I get to go on in my current job is 30 miles away :(

[21:28:45]

Beirdo:

that I can definitely test on the test bot

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sphery:

Yeah. San Fran has some excellent sourdough bread. The natural yeasts in the air there are ideal for it.

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sphery:

My commute to work is either through the kitchen to my home office or through the airport to wherever...

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juski:

one thing always struck me in the US.. the people I was with knew FA about entertaining or being hospitable

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juski:

the 1st time when I was there for the training I could understand them being frosty.. but not the rest

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sphery:

Yeah. You were in Florida. To find hospitality, you need to visit the southern US.

[21:31:15]

sphery:

Florida is the North just south of the South.

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juski:

ah

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sphery:

mainly transplants from up north (like me)

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juski:

my best mate did a road trip last year.. luck b

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sphery:

That's cool. Been a long time since I've done anything like that.

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juski:

I feel the need to

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juski:

though 6 weeks is one long holiday

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sphery:

That could be a bit too long--at least if you're on the road the whole time.

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jduggan_:

i'd hate to go back to work after being off that long

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Beirdo:

Florida is mostly Canadian geezers and Cubanos (to follow the stereotype)

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sphery:

The latter half is mainly in Miami. Florida is the state that surrounds Miami. :)

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juski:

fort lauderdale had 'no cruising' signs by the beach. I wondered why til I saw the girls driving pimped-up pickup trucks

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sphery:

The former is everywhere, though.

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juski:

confused white Brit guy stumbles onto set of Baywatch shocker!

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Beirdo:

especially Ft Lauderdale

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

You in FL, Beirdo ?

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sphery:

Or have traveled here?

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Beirdo:

nah, just know plenty who have

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sphery:

ah

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Beirdo:

flew through MIA though to get here

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** Beirdo is even further south **

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** sphery wonders how far south **

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Beirdo:

about 20 minutes west of SJU

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Beirdo:

Dorado, PR

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juski:

hmm. I think laptop, 'wireless' ethernet (long cable) and more vodka in the garden is in order

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Beirdo:

nice. Good plan, juski

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Beirdo:

here, it's mainly Puerto Ricans... go figure

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sphery:

heh. I wonder why?

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Beirdo:

because they haven't moved to NYC yet? ;)

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sphery:

That's definitely an interesting place.

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sphery:

lot of people in a little area

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juski:

jees it'swarm out here

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juski:

19'C.. not bad for 10.45pm in manchester

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juski:

good thing I'm drinking- might have bother getting to sleep otherwise!

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jduggan_:

hmm

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** hads fell asleep on the couch lastnight **

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jduggan_:

17C down here

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juski:

what's 2 degrees?

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jduggan_:

it could be teh difference between freezing, and not freezing

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jduggan_:

;)

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hads:

I would have been here lastnight :)

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WattoDaToydarian:

Does anyone know how to clear mytharchive items?

[21:58:37]

juski:

so anybody using the *all new* projectgrayhem-wide yet?

[21:59:34]

WattoDaToydarian:

there is a new projectgrayhem?

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WattoDaToydarian:

I just see the Version 2.1 from Nov 2006

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GreyFoxx:

juski: I saw the shots you posted earlier. Looks nice!

[22:05:46]

juski:

thanks.it's available now

[22:06:26]

juski:

silly dodgy space bar

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juski:

only problem when I update a theme on that scale & to that level of polish.. makes the others look thrown together

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WattoDaToydarian:

juski: where is the new one at?

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juski:

ugh I can hear chavvy music

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juski:

but it's not all bad.I can see the stars! and a satellite

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laga:

you still are on IRC, though

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juski:

yeh it's teh awesome

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juski:

oo and now here's the police helicopter

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sphery:

juski: I'm just heading down to the beach to see if we send another satellite your way...

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laga:

such a peaceful neighbourhood

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juski:

heh

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sphery:

Shuttle launch is scheduled in about 1:18

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juski:

I'm pretty much touch typing here it's so dark

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sphery:

not bad--especially if you don't normally

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juski:

not on this keyboard

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sphery:

yeah, laptop keyboards are always messed up

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juski:

wife's laptop

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sphery:

anyway, to the beach...

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bball_:

I was consider a G965 w/ HDMI adapter for a new myth box.. but after reading the mailing list it seems the G965 has "tearing" problems

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hads:

The thinklight was a great idea

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bball_:

are there any other options for MPEG2/4 accel + HDMI ?

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juski:

get your refresh rate right!

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juski:

bball_: np

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juski:

bball_: no mpeg4 accel in linux!#

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bball_:

ouch

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juski:

get more MHZ!

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bball_:

:-)

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bball_:

ideally someone would make and MPEG-4 decoder PCI-E card

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juski:

wow. I love the smell of summer night air

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bball_:

its a mystery to me why one is not available yet

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bball_:

hardware decoders always seem to give better PQ to me

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juski:

bball_: ideally Intel will carry their plan out & get mpeg4 decoding in linux on their chips,open source driver stylee

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juski:

my hardware has a full mpeg2 decoder onboard. it sucks sometimes

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juski:

not as much as pvr350 output would – cos at least I get basic 3d too :)

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kemik:

announced they'd make their drivers opensource i think :)

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bball_:

I'll believe it when I see it

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SiD3WiNDR:

heh

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SiD3WiNDR:

yea, I concur.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

ISP is back

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Beirdo:

and meanwhile, I found a couple NASTY tiny memory leaks

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Beirdo:

valgrind++

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Beirdo:

OK, bot's getting an upgrade

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juski:

hic!

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Beirdo:

I won't say it has NO more memory leaks, but two nasties are gone for sure

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juski:

bah Enovodka

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juski:

I think I'd better go to bed before my typing starts to look blurry

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

any time someone joins or leaves, mysql is burping an error at me

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Beirdo:

what did I mess up?

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