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Tuesday, June 5th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

[00:00:24]

crakhed:

any reason why when i record from mythTV my recordings don't have sound?

[00:00:25]

Aquahallic:

is there a file I can edit with my recording and songs and images to change the paths without running myth setup??

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xris:

Aquahallic: what's wrong with running mythtv-setup?

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xris:

crakhed: well, if you're not getting sound, then there is most certainly a reason why that is (not) happening.

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Aquahallic:

just didn't wanna run it.. thought it'd be easier to just edit a text file

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xris:

Aquahallic: it's all stored in the db.

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xris:

crakhed: perhaps if you give us more information about your setup, we can narrow down a specific reason.

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Aquahallic:

and I have mythtv autostart... so when I exit damn thing just restarts...LOL

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Aquahallic:

can I disable that autostart temp?

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crakhed:

xris, you know the reason why?

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xris:

crakhed: I know a number of possible reasons, yes.

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crakhed:

feel free to direct me to some reading

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** xris fights off the urge to recommend against being a crackhead as the most important one **

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xris:

crakhed: please read the other stuff I said

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crakhed:

you said there is a reason

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crakhed:

which is very helpful

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xris:

(05:02:28 PM) xris: crakhed: perhaps if you give us more information about your setup, we can narrow down a specific reason.

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crakhed:

i have a Hauppage PVR-150 and a SB 24Bit LIve running gentoo

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crakhed:

sound in playback works perfect

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xris:

did you install the audio firmware file/

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crakhed:

woo

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crakhed:

no, can you elaborate a bit

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xris:

I do't know how to do it in gentoo.. but I know that with the pvr-150, you need two firmware files to make it run. one for audio and one for video.

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crakhed:

interesting, cause video is working flawless

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xris:

you can know for sure if that's the problem by transferring a recording to another machine and seeing if it has audio in the file.

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xris:

what connection are you using to record audio/video?

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crakhed:

what do you mean by connection? ITs analog cable

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xris:

yeah, that's exactly what I wanted. just wanted to make sure that you weren't plugging the audio input into your soundcard like you have to for older tuner cards.

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Aquahallic:

crakhed http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Gentoo

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crakhed:

okay

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crakhed:

i'll read this and see where this gets me

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crakhed:

xris, i'll try this and see where it gets me

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crakhed:

thanks you guys

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xris:

good luck

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crakhed:

thanks

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crakhed:

oh snap

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crakhed:

it was just kaffiene being useless

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crakhed:

pwn

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crakhed:

tried using a better player

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Aquahallic:

xris any idea where I can disable the autostart of mythtv?

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budershank:

hm, is there a way to manually start a user job? I thought i read you could do it from watch recording but i don't see it in the menu

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Zider:

Aquahallic: that depends on how your distribution starts it

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xris:

budershank: there is in svn mythweb... or I think if you right-arrow from the frontend, you'll get a menu of options

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Captain_Murdoch:

budershank: it's in the INFO popup menu for single recordings and on the MENU popup menu for 'playlists' of recordings.

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budershank:

wow, answered me even after i rebooted, you rock

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** Captain_Murdoch didn't even notice you left, wasn't paying attention. **

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budershank:

haha

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budershank:

either way thanks, found it

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budershank:

i've been trying to get the remove commercial script to work through a user job, when i run it through as a user job i get "Usage: /etc/userjobs/commercials.sh <VideoDirectory> <FileName>" on the backend, anyone have any ideas?

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a5benwillis:

Does anyone know how I can delete ALL transponder data?

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achew22:

I just got a AMD64 X2 that means I need ia64, correct?

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achew22:

no — I need amd64... nevermind

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a5benwillis:

anyone? lol

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xris:

achew22: x86_64 == amd64 != ia64 (ia64 is stuff like itanium)

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HalonChilled:

Im running an lirc setup and nothing works, I think it has to do with the fact that there is no /dev/lirc(with or without a number) can someone help me install the dev

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clever:

lol

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clever:

wait wrong convo

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HalonChilled:

can someone please help me, anyone who idles on this channel know i have been on here try to fix this for over 2 weeks

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clever:

i think lirc0 is made when you load the lirc module

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clever:

and lircd is made when you start lircd

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HalonChilled:

yes, i loaded the modules

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HalonChilled:

which is why I am confused as to why there is no device

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clever:

which modules?

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HalonChilled:

im using a a hauppage pvr-150 so lirc_i2c and lirc_pvr150

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HalonChilled:

and im getting a signal through the tv card and i can watch and record so i know that it sees some part of the device

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clever:

ahh never used that lirc mod

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clever:

only lirc mod ive used was lirc_serial

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HalonChilled:

well thanks for your help

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clever:

and my input card is a fugly frame grabber:P

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clever:

bttv

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HalonChilled:

anyone else use those mods or my device?

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clever:

alot of people are telling me to get a pvr 150:P

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clever:

so they must have used it at some time

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HalonChilled:

yea i just wish those people would speak up now =P

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squish102:

clever get a pvr 150

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clever:

yeah but it could just be bedtime atm

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clever:

lol

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clever:

i aint got no money:P

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HalonChilled:

hehe

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HalonChilled:

credit =P

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clever:

send me your 150

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clever:

maybe i'll fix it

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HalonChilled:

hehe

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clever:

maybe i'll send the wrong one back:P

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squish102:

i love mine so much, i'm never giving it away

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clever:

lol

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clever:

trying to convince my dad to get one

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squish102:

HalonChilled sorry it is the MCE version, no remote

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clever:

in a hotel for 2 weeks

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clever:

thinking of turning my desktop into a slave backend

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clever:

building mythtv atm(400mhz P2) for frontend use atm

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squish102:

the bttv setup never ever worked for me, after lots of problems

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HalonChilled:

squish102 thanks i appriciate anything i understand completely

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clever:

my bttv eats alot of my 1.6ghz cpu in mpeg mode

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clever:

and over a gig/hour in rtjpeg mode

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squish102:

i could never get my soundcard working

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clever:

mpeg gets 900mb/hour

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clever:

but solid black and no movie was <150mb for 30mins

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HalonChilled:

squish102 what card?

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clever:

some1 shut my cable box off:P

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HalonChilled:

that sucks

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clever:

only lost a couple shows

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squish102:

HalonChilled i had about 3 different software encoded cards that needed that cable to the sound card

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clever:

i never even tryed that cable

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clever:

i just fed the digitalbox audio directly into the sound card

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clever:

ignoring the tv card

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HalonChilled:

squish102 what cards?

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squish102:

HalonChilled that is so long ago i cannot remember. i think one was called a win2000 or something

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clever:

video highway extreme is what i got

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clever:

drivers cd was for win98

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HalonChilled:

squish102 no mobo builtin sound?

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clever:

managed to find xp drivers once but never again and all it did was turn it into a webcam dev

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clever:

with no viewer/controler

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clever:

and only a few progs i had at the time even would view it(msn/moviemaker/yahoo) i think

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clever:

none of them made for actual viewing

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clever:

my drivers worked asap in linux

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clever:

i just had no idea how the heck to use a v4l device:P

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HalonChilled:

squish102 if your using another sound card you need to disable your mobo soundcard in bios first

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clever:

i added a pci sound card along side my onboard card

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clever:

and im able to use both at once with some ease

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clever:

the pci card is both for tvin and tvout and shows at /dev/dsp2 i think

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HalonChilled:

yea but if hecant get any to work better to start one at a time

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HalonChilled:

squish102 imassuming you have asladriver installed?

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squish102:

HalonChilled i think i tossed those tuner cards, now running the 150 and a HD tuner card. and they working pretty well

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HalonChilled:

squish102 i thought you were talking about dedicated sound cards for output

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squish102:

now i am just working at getting a frontend hooked up to HDTV

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squish102:

and a usb remote working

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Billiard:

hey is there a way to get mythtv to play without that few second delay?

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squish102:

and mythvideo, etc

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GreyFoxx:

Billiard: All TV in myth is recorded. All will have a delay of some sort

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Billiard:

GreyFoxx yea, but when i play 2x it stays insync

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Billiard:

but, jumpy

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GreyFoxx:

of course it would be jumpy

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Billiard:

yea

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GreyFoxx:

it has to keep pausing to wait for more data

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Billiard:

but is there a way to get it to play smoothly without a delay

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clever:

i often try to keep it 1–2mins behind

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Billiard:

cause there is no delay on 2x

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clever:

so i can ff thru a whole comercial without waiting

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GreyFoxx:

Billiard: What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Why are you playing it at 2x ?

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Billiard:

im just saying at 2x there is no delay so i should be able to play 1x with no delay

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Billiard:

i want to try to play a game on here

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Sid`:

Billiard: square peg, round hole.

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Billiard:

wrong program?

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GreyFoxx:

Billiard: There will be adelay if you expect it to work properly

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Sid`:

you're ALWAYS going to have a few hundred ms (AT LEAST) of delay

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GreyFoxx:

there is not Live LiveTV in myth

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Billiard:

k

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Billiard:

ty

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Sid`:

can't be done

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clever:

you can a button in the menu for true livetv

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GreyFoxx:

If you want to play a game then you can use another app and abttv card

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clever:

which just starts an external tv viewer

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GreyFoxx:

then add a menu item for it

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Sid`:

yeah, hook it up so it calls tvtime on your tuner or something

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clever:

which wont have any pause features and stuff

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Sid`:

that'd be doable, but pointless

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Billiard:

would it be easy?

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clever:

id just plug the game system into the tv's second input

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GreyFoxx:

I don't know what you consider easy

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clever:

and just switch between pc and game

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Billiard:

like just some commands or would it be different for each setup

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clever:

its somewhat simple to add a button which will run ...

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clever:

you just need to find a ... that plays your tv card in full screen

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Sid`:

yeah, then you'd just get it to run mplayer -zoom -vo xv tv://

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Sid`:

or something similar

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Billiard:

i dont need it in fullscreen

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clever:

xawtv uses alot less cpu power for frame grabbers

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clever:

it can pipe the raw frames directly into the video board the way those old cards where made to be used

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clever:

mplayer uses cpu reading it and passing back to the xvideo extension

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clever:

unshure how it works on hardware decoder boards

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clever:

encoder*

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GreyFoxx:

ummm...... that's exactly what xawtv does too

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Billiard:

i have xawtv

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GreyFoxx:

reads from the card, passes the data to xvideo

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Billiard:

but is there a way to put it on composite and not channels

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Sid`:

that'd just be an argument

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clever:

the bttv cant write directly to the video ram with pci bridging?

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GreyFoxx:

Billiard: Yes, you can set the input

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clever:

bypassing the cpu fully

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GreyFoxx:

clever: No

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clever:

:S

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Billiard:

how do i change the input

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clever:

somehow though xawtv uses <1% cpu on my framegrabber to play

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clever:

but mplayer uses alot more

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GreyFoxx:

I'm not saying it is or isn't more efficient, just saying the basic way they do it is the same :)

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clever:

:S

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GreyFoxx:

I once ported xawtv to openbsd, So I'm quite sure :)

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clever:

lol:)

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Billiard:

my audio in mythtv is crackly too, is there any way to fix that

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Sid`:

audio from what?

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clever:

could mythtv (backend forjust job queues and commflagger) be built and working in cygwin?

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Billiard:

composite input from my card

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clever:

with no recording features

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Sid`:

Billiard: where are you putting the audio?

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Billiard:

Sid`, where am i putting it?

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Billiard:

just playing it

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Sid`:

Billiard: wheres the audio going?

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Sid`:

where is it physically connected?

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Billiard:

o

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Billiard:

into the card

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GreyFoxx:

clever: With enough time and energy you can do just about anything :)

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clever:

im thinking of building a native winblows backend and commflaging mostly just to use the 2.9ghz cpu to commflag the stuff the linux records

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Sid`:

into what card?

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GreyFoxx:

clever: Runit in a VM ? :)

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Billiard:

pinnacle pctv hd pro stick

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clever:

GreyFoxx: i tryed building a single step of lfs in a vm once

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GreyFoxx:

thou h there are patches for compiling under cygwin. No idea how complete they are though

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clever:

it took alot longer to build then a much slower pc

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clever:

the 2.9ghz over a vm performed worked then a 233mhz i think

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clever:

damn winblows:P

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clever:

worse*

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clever:

having either a colinux build or a native winblows exe might perform better

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Sid`:

Billiard: how are you getting the audio from the pinnacle?

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Billiard:

Sid` i dont understand what you mean how?, it plugs in through rca into the card, you want the name of the drivers or wat?

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Sid`:

i'm assuming it's not an encoder card, although i dunno

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Sid`:

if it's a regular framegrabber, then there's gotta be some interface for the audio

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Sid`:

either the pinnacle passes it through to your sound card's 'line' input via a cable

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Sid`:

or you run a driver to grab the audio directly off the card (eg btaudio, saa7134-oss, etc)

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clever:

mine might use bt_audio but i never tryed and just inputed thru a pci audio card:P

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clever:

it also lets me unmute the linein and get LIVE audio dumping right thru without even needing a player going

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clever:

usefull to test wiring problems

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Billiard:

Sid`, its not through my sound card its all through the usb cable

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clever:

a 3sec delay is insane when trying to find a bad connection

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clever:

because by the time you fixed it you thought you didnt and moved something else

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GreyFoxx:

hmmmmm Interesting. For some reason all of my recordings of the Daily show have 2 audio tracks, and the one myth picks comes out as silence, but if I tell it to use the other it's normal

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GreyFoxx:

mplayer picks the "right" one by default. Wonder what it is using to pick it

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clever:

mplayer cn see language titles on tracks if labled right

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clever:

and the conf can make it default to eng tracks

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clever:

but by default it seems to pick track 0

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ircleuser:

hey guys. I am trying to install MythTV for the first time, and I have a pcHDTV HD-5500 connected to a Dish Receiver (tv out). I am unable to scan channels. I do have an account set up with Zap2It, yet don't know how to get the channel listings to be recognized by mythTV. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Dr_willis:

Hmm.. Thats beyond my skills. Im lucky to get my normal CableTV system going. :)

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ircleuser:

:)

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Dr_willis:

you using the svideo input to the tuner card to get the video to the box?

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ircleuser:

nope... using tv out from the receiver going directly into the coax connector (threaded connector) of the capture card

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ircleuser:

that wouldn't even matter to me (the channels listing). I just want to be able to see some picture. I don't mind changing the channels on my dish receiver.

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Dr_willis:

so the card has to be on channel 3 to see the picture?

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ircleuser:

I believe so

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Dr_willis:

sort of how my cable co's digiotal cable i had to set up. (well tried and failed)

[03:43:24]

ircleuser:

interesting.

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Dr_willis:

may be better to use the svideo or other video out to the card. then set up a change channel script. But still thats not geting you the channelinfo

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ircleuser:

true... oh well, trial and error will hopefully get me to where I would like to be

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Dr_willis:

My Mythtv box is just set to record a few shows.. and i just let it run heh .. i aint tweaked with it lately to even rember how i got the channelinfo

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ircleuser:

I just saw a way I can add a channel. I added channel 3. I just have to wait for the installation to finish before I can try it.

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ircleuser:

Dr_willis, are you using KnoppMyth ?

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Dr_willis:

ircleuser, not any more – got it working on my Ubuntu setup now

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ircleuser:

ahh, I see

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clever:

im building a frotnend still for remotely accessing my backend at home

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clever:

and im moving 2 nuv's over to the web so they are local files

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Tanthrix:

ircleuser: The HD-5500 is primarily designed for digital input.

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Tanthrix:

ircleuser: So I think the output from your satellite box is analog NTSC, assuming it's going over coax. (And it's only one channel, 3 or 4, much like a VCR)

[04:00:11]

clever:

crap

[04:00:15]

clever:

no speakers:P

[04:00:19]

clever:

headphones out in the van

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clever:

and its midnight and im not dressed to leave the room:P

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Tanthrix:

ircleuser: The HD-5500 does have an analog tuner, but it's one of the worst kinds, the framegrabber variety, which means you have to use software encoding with a audio pass through cable to convert the outputted frames to MPEG2 / whatever

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Tanthrix:

As opposed to a PVR-150, which does hardware based MPEG2 encoding

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Dr_willis:

I got a 150 :)

[04:01:44]

Dr_willis:

records my Courage the Cowardly dog – shows good. :)

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clever:

i got a bttv frame grabber with no digi inputs

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Tanthrix:

So much for that.

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Tanthrix:

Framegrabbers should be illegal.

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clever:

yeah:P

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clever:

painfully slow

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goodtod:

mythtv says to watch an in-progress recording i should go to the playback menu...where can i find that?

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achew22:

goodtod, that would be in the media library

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achew22:

recorded programs — it'll be purple

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clever:

red on my systems

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clever:

probly depends on theme

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achew22:

oh — well its a different color from the others

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goodtod:

achew22, that's weird. that is where i went first and it doesnt seem to be there

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goodtod:

maybe i will restart my frontend

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clever:

it will also allmost allways be at the top

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achew22:

do you have cards in the system?

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clever:

enless you have 2 cards and another stoped and finished while that kept going

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achew22:

go to system info to see if you actualy have cards

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goodtod:

i have 1 card

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** clever goes off to turn his bluetooth headset into a headphone **

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goodtod:

i was just watching tv a second ago...

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achew22:

give it a seccond then and try livetv again

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goodtod:

heh, can't do live tv while it is recording

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goodtod:

when i go to upcoming recordings it is in purple

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achew22:

then it is recording

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achew22:

if you want to stop it delete the recording

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goodtod:

right, but there is no way to watch it while it's recording?

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clever:

you can under the same place as watching old recordings

[04:17:02]

clever:

but the default view of showing all doesnt actualy show livetv programs

[04:17:15]

clever:

m i think lets you change the view when in the list of recorded things

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achew22:

clever, we should tagteam these problems more often ;-)

[04:17:29]

clever:

lol

[04:17:37]

clever:

you used bluetooth much?

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achew22:

then we could say cool things like "OOH TAG ME TAG ME TAG ME LET ME FINISH IT OFF"

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clever:

lol

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goodtod:

heh

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achew22:

clever, yeah — wiimote and BT headset along with obex and phone syncing and dialup for the laptop

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clever:

lol neat

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goodtod:

well i am in "media library > watch recordins"

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clever:

im just trying to get a video playing with my bluetooth headset as speakersw

[04:18:40]

clever:

no headphones but i have a headset and bluetooth dongle

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achew22:

ooh that'd be cool

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goodtod:

and i can not find it anywhere, looked through all the different views (all programs and all the different program names)

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clever:

its basicaly a mic+speaker+button

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achew22:

is it possible?

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clever:

all i want is to stream audio to it

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achew22:

goodtod, are you in the right view

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clever:

the phone does that all the time

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achew22:

there is one for just LiveTV i beleive

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achew22:

clever, yeah but I don't use headset in linux — are there alsa drivers and such?

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clever:

you m(menu) to change the view in there to show liive tv

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clever:

no idea never even had a bluetooth dongle on a pc before:P

[04:19:49]

clever:

we just got this one today

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achew22:

the first day with that thing is AWESOME

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clever:

lol

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achew22:

clever, give me your mac address — I'll scan for you and we can make a PAN

[04:20:14]

clever:

my first day with the frame grabber on linux

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achew22:

*shudder*

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xris:

clever: you're lucky. I can't even get bt to do anything other than see my phone (i.e. not talk to it)

[04:20:27]

clever:

hours of figuring out what driver to use

[04:20:33]

clever:

found out it allready loaded and used the v4l interface

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clever:

ok now whats v4l:P

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clever:

achew22: bt mac or ethernet mac?:P

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achew22:

lol

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achew22:

i would assume BT, but we could do firewire if you want

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clever:

no firewire here either:P

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clever:

only 1 fw port in what i own

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goodtod:

clever, achew22: i'm in the livetv group but it is just not there :....

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achew22:

goodtod, restart the mythbackend

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achew22:

or check its logs

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achew22:

or try to watch live TV again

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achew22:

maybe it stopped recording

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clever:

how do i scan for bt stuff from linux?

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goodtod:

clever, achew22: i got it

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goodtod:

i changed the filter

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achew22:

hcitool scan

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goodtod:

to all programs

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achew22:

goodtod, good

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clever:

ahhh

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achew22:

tod

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goodtod:

thanks i appreciate knowing about the menu button on that screen :)

[04:23:03]

achew22:

I also does seomthing

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clever:

now i can check its man pages and the seealso's

[04:23:07]

achew22:

something*

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achew22:

xris, how are you doing tonight?

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clever:

now i just need to remember how to put the headset into findable mode

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achew22:

good luck — I suggest holding the button

[04:24:08]

achew22:

or pressing it repedatively

[04:24:11]

achew22:

or pushing it once

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achew22:

or maybe not pussing it ;-)

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clever:

holding for a short while(until beep) turns it on

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clever:

pushing it for a short bit after that often dials calls without warning

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xris:

achew22: not too bad. hungry (food taking too long to cook)

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clever:

hold till beep is off

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achew22:

xris, what are you having?

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achew22:

clever, repedative pushes

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clever:

lol

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achew22:

or no pushes

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xris:

achew22: not entirely sure. veggies, fried tofu, some tomato-coconut-based sauce... I'm experimenting.

[04:25:13]

clever:

held for a fgoood time

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clever:

light on solid

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clever:

was flashing when on

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achew22:

xris, stirfry?

[04:25:34]

clever:

00:07:A4:8D:CF:F9 Treo Headset

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clever:

now i just need to connect...:P

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achew22:

clever, yeah

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achew22:

i can't remember the command for that — its fairly logical though

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clever:

hciattach – attach serial devices via UART HCI to BlueZ stack

[04:26:06]

clever:

i typed hci<tab><tab> in bash

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achew22:

do you want it serial?

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clever:

probly not

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clever:

next hci prog:P

[04:26:39]

clever:

hciattach hciconfig hcid hcitool

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achew22:

http://www.linux.ie/articles/bluetoothheadset.php

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achew22:

just an idea for getting you started

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clever:

could be another subcmd of hcitool

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achew22:

hcitool cc

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achew22:

then the mac address

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** achew22 crosses fingers **

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clever:

sudo hcitool cc 00:07:A4:8D:CF:F9

[04:28:09]

clever:

Password:

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clever:

Can't create connection: Input/output error

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achew22:

ha ha ha

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achew22:

sucker pin code shit

[04:28:25]

clever:

0000 :P

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clever:

now where to pin in...

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achew22:

I'll bet it has an automated pin and you (on the computer) need to enter it

[04:29:18]

achew22:

my headset's is 1234

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clever:

but enter where?

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clever:

ack now it shut itself half off:P

[04:30:19]

clever:

took too long

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achew22:

in /etc/bluetooth edit pin_helper to be an executable shell and make the shell be echo "PIN:0000"

[04:31:23]

achew22:

which one is the really small wm that is super fast

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achew22:

blackbox?

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clever:

i sometimes wound up using twm on rh9

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clever:

# Default PIN code for incoming connections

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clever:

passkey "1234";

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clever:

editing the conf file seems simpler then making the external script

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achew22:

that would be a good thing to play with then

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clever:

but the script could be given a man on the cmd line and detect the pin on its own

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achew22:

I guess you could make an external script that did a random number and cated it to a file you knew or displayed it in X

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clever:

mac

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achew22:

clever, that'd be cool

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clever:

lol

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achew22:

super security folk may like that

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achew22:

not being one of them though

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clever:

my mythtv channel changing script feeds it to a known file

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clever:

which i was at first watch -d'ing and manualying changing for it

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achew22:

clever, thats devotion

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achew22:

was that for firewire?

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clever:

lol

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clever:

framegrabber

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clever:

composite input

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achew22:

lol sucker...

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clever:

before i had the lirc parts

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achew22:

I gave up on LIRC and bought a WiiMote

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achew22:

which I like more since I can play Super Mario Brothers with my remote :D

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clever:

lol

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achew22:

clever, when you get past the connection to the thing the driver I think you're looking for is "BTSCO"

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clever:

edited the conf but i think i need to reload the hcid deamon

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achew22:

good idea

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clever:

but i see no script for it under init.d

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achew22:

I hate Gentoo's installer... just sayin'

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achew22:

clever, for me it was bluetooth

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clever:

halt hamachi hdparm hostname.sh hotkey-setup hplip hwclock.sh

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achew22:

/etc/init.d/bluetooth

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clever:

ahhhh

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clever:

why call it bluetooth all of a sudden:P

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achew22:

stupidity?

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achew22:

clever, it was a M$ dev...

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clever:

just when i got used to looking for hci progs:P

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clever:

lol

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achew22:

seriously — I think that'd be the best way to go for microsoft. Build shitty software for linux but make it critical for stuff to work, thus crippeling their opponent

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clever:

Can't create connection: Input/output error

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clever:

with 0000

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clever:

edited conf to 0001 restarted and cc'ed an error..

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clever:

pin probly cant be extracted from the teo 650 thats allready added it as a trusted dev

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** clever grabs the apt tools **

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clever:

clever@laptop:~$ apt-file search usr/bin/hcitool

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achew22:

Hurray for having 3 monitors — 1 to monitor installs 1 for TV and 1 for talking to you all :D YAY

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clever:

that will tell me what package its hidden under

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clever:

then i can search for gui based packages which depend on hcitools

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clever:

which will have buttons:P

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clever:

great hide it under bluez-utils

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clever:

never would have guessed that:P

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`sam`:

hello

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achew22:

hello

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clever:

arg

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clever:

still nothing:P

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achew22:

stay strong

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clever:

lol

[04:52:32]

clever:

or im doing it wrong

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achew22:

whats the model number for your phone

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achew22:

headset

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clever:

http://blog.treonauts.com/MotoH700DG07.jpg

[04:53:20]

clever:

3rd one is mine

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achew22:

Inbox, I see your 27 unread mails and raise you the "mark all as read" button

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clever:

lol

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inteliwasp:

i know that the newer aiw card do not work with linux, but does the old rage 128 aiw work?

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achew22:

um... is there a 64 bit version of dhcpcd or another dhcp client

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kormoc:

sure, compile one

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achew22:

i did and ./configure told me it didn't know how

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kormoc:

achew22, dhcpcd doesn't have a configure.sh script

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rtsai:

hi.

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rtsai:

can anyone here check the mailman logs on mythtv.org to see why my list mail is bouncing? Other mail is arriving fine, so I think there's something mythtv.org-specific

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rtsai:

I haven't received anything in a few days, and I now have a "bounce score" of 2.0

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Dagmar:

Bouncing?

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Dagmar:

If the mail is bouncing off your account it's your SMTP server that needs looking at.

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Dagmar:

Mailman isn't going to have log information about why your SMTP server might have rejected the mail

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banyan:

So! Which packages do I need to load in order to satisfy the requirements both of mythmusic and amarok-extras-nonfree?

[06:32:14]

banyan:

It seems like the base faad2 package doesn't contain libmp4ff.so.0 (required for mythmusic), and the atrpms version of faad2 is too new for amarok-extras-nonfree.

[06:32:16]

Dagmar:

Whatever your package manager says

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banyan:

It says, in effect, that there are too damn many different packagings of faad2 floating around.

[06:33:03]

Dagmar:

Sounds like you're just SOL for installing nonfree software

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banyan:

If you don't know, just say so. :-)

[06:34:29]

Dagmar:

I'll say again, then. It sounds like you're just SOL for installing nonfree software

[06:35:30]

Dagmar:

There's no guarantee that there's _any_ package that will satisfy those dependencies, or that it's even _possible_ to do so

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Dagmar:

...partly because faad2 is full of evil.

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banyan:

amarok-extras-nonfree is required to play mp3 files I think.

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achew22:

may I ask the relation between mythmusic and amarok? arent they separate entities? or is mythmusic turning into amarok because that would be VERY NICE

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kormoc:

entire separate

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kormoc:

*entirely

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achew22:

damn...

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achew22:

thanks kormoc for pointing me that something was wrong — I was using a VERY old copy from their site to be precise 2 major revisions old

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Dagmar:

ouch

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banyan:

They are related because I want to be able to run both, that's the only reason.

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xris:

banyan: which version of fedora?

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xris:

I thought the libmp4ff thing was fixed in livna a long time ago

[07:17:01]

banyan:

This is in 6.

[07:17:26]

banyan:

I just don't remember which combination of packages from where was the ticket.

[07:17:27]

xris:

maybe I'm wrong and just disabled it in mythmusic.. or something in svn switched the requirement around.

[07:21:21]

banyan:

Is there a livna libmp4ff package?

[07:22:19]

banyan:

or are you just saying that the faad2 from livna has libmp4ff.so?

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xris:

I don't know. doesn't look like it, though.

[07:27:17]

banyan:

do you use amarok?

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xris:

if I recall correctly, libmp4ff was actually removed from faad, and atrpms just puts it back in manually

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xris:

I used to. I mostly just use my ipod lately

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banyan:

Hmm. What repo is your faad2 from?

[07:27:58]

xris:

livna. I don't touch atrpms anymore

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xris:

no libmp4ff

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xris:

http://bugzilla.livna.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1040

[07:31:00]

banyan:

you must not have mythmusic then...

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xris:

I do. I just don't have aac support compiled in

[07:31:38]

banyan:

you didn't install myth from packages then?

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xris:

I did

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xris:

I build my own

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xris:

(fyi, I'm the semi-official spec maintainer for mythtv)

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banyan:

that's impressive and whatnot!

[07:32:27]

xris:

just build --without aac and you should be fine

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xris:

I think even the atrpms specs support that.

[07:33:09]

banyan:

I have atrpms enabled only for specific packages (i.e. the perl-whatnot packages and myth)

[07:33:33]

banyan:

Maybe even that is too much.

[07:33:43]

xris:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythtv-svn-rpmbuild.spec

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xris:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythplug . . . pmbuild.spec

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xris:

hmm, I should really resync with the wiki given recent changes in svn.

[07:34:33]

juski:

morning

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xris:

juski: blech.

[07:35:19]

xris:

it's 12:30 AM. I should sleep

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juski:

heheh

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xris:

banyan: there. updated to work with latest svn.

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xris:

I'll eventually clean up that build stuff so that it's "standard"... but those will go into livna with .21 is released.

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xris:

anyway, like I said, I need to sleep. later.

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juski:

whoregames. very funny

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gardengnome:

huh?

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gardengnome:

having some friends over?

[08:45:19]

juski:

lol no. somebody edited the titles of the videos on the unprotected mythbox

[08:45:41]

gardengnome:

ah :)

[08:46:04]

Dagmar:

You sure you didn't accidentally download World of Whorecraft? ;)

[08:51:40]

juski:

and er.. why doesn't Blue have a base.xml file?

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achew22:

does anyone in here run gentoo and SVN?

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juski:

morning gbee

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gbee:

morning

[09:08:20]

juski:

started work on adding the clock to themes :)

[09:08:39]

gbee:

yay

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juski:

done G.A.N.T. & blue – and of course my own

[09:09:12]

gardengnome:

is it in svn now?

[09:09:21]

juski:

gonna have to kill whoever's bingeing on my bandwidth

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directhex|work:

chomp

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monotonous:

hi guys – does someone know how to start an external program from a mythtv menu entry?

[09:19:58]

monotonous:

is there a special ACTION parameter?

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gbee:

gardengnome: clock? yeah – basic stuff, didn't have the motivation to do anything too fancy with it

[09:20:13]

gardengnome:

nice

[09:20:25]

gardengnome:

gbee: time to update my packages then

[09:20:52]

gbee:

when the rest of the UI is ported over to mythui you should be able to use it on any page you want – clock in the watch recordings screen would be nice

[09:21:54]

directhex|work:

libmythui still isn't the norm?

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gbee:

gardengnome: well wait for juski to finish adding it to the themes, haven't done that bit yet ;) 3rd party theme developers will have to update their themes as well

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gbee:

directhex|work: only used for the menus atm

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directhex|work:

ISTR not bothering to submit some patches a few years ago because there was no point changing non-libmythui things...

[09:23:05]

gbee:

no-one has had the time to port everything else over to mythui

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gbee:

the guy do the SoC project was supposed to do exactly that, but only managed a page and a half

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juski:

I'll have a go

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monotonous:

no theme developers in here?

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** juski hides **

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directhex|work:

nope, none whatsoever

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gbee:

the mistake the SoC guy seemed to make, was instead of just swapping the status page over, he decided to try and redesign it as well, which wasn't really necessary and just slowed him down

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juski:

monotonous: look in the wiki

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monotonous:

yes, I'm searching but i cant find it

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monotonous:

theres only described how to start plugins

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gbee:

the best approach would be to swap everything over to mythui and THEN think about using the new capabilities to do funky stuff

[09:26:42]

monotonous:

i habe it!

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monotonous:

have :)

[09:26:53]

juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Menu_the . . . cial_Actions

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anykey__:

gbee: how hard is it to swap things over? Just some basic search&replace thingys? =)

[09:27:49]

juski:

anykey__: how hard is it to code anything?

[09:28:01]

gbee:

anykey__: not really – it if were, then we'd have done it already

[09:28:06]

juski:

anykey__: converting from one set of classes to another.. not necessarily easy!

[09:28:43]

juski:

I think maybe my next thing will be to make the setup menus safe area aware

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gbee:

mythui does things a little differently – the xml is basically still the same, but there are some bigger changes to the API

[09:29:47]

anykey__:

gbee: is this documented somewhere?

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juski:

anykey__: in the source code

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juski:

!

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juski:

(where else but there? honestly)

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gbee:

I may port over a couple of pages to get a feel for it myself and then those could serve as a guide for others who want to help with the rest

[09:32:01]

juski:

there's still no serious movement or trickery in mythui anyway AFAIK, so conversions will just be for the sake of being ready

[09:32:04]

gbee:

once you've got into the swing of it, it shouldn't be that hard – just time consuming

[09:33:19]

anykey__:

I seriously have some spare time that I'd like to invest into mythtv... but I'm not a C++ developer myself but if I had some sort of "guide" (like you said above) I certainly could manage it...

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anykey__:

If it'll help bringing mythtv forward :)

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gbee:

ok, well watch this space then ;)

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juski:

just don't get your hopes up that converting everything to mythui is gonna make it all spiffy overnight – because it won't

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anykey__:

I don't do this, but it'll close another ticket in trac ;)

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juski:

whoa.. 500iGB HDD is now £0.13604 per GiB

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directhex|work:

500GB

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directhex|work:

i salute your commitment to the gibibyte, but hard disks are measured in gagabytes – hence the problem and the confusion

[09:44:54]

juski:

when I use £ it buggers up the text

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directhex|work:

s/gaga/giga/

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juski:

and I'm not committed to gibi at all – I fscking hate the very idea going against what I was taught

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juski:

it's easy enough to remember that when dealing with conscooter stuff, think in base 2, not 10

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directhex|work:

except it's not computer stuff. it's JUST for file sizes

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juski:

tell everyone who gets it wrong then! :)

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directhex|work:

i do! frequently!

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directhex|work:

i just did, infact!

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** directhex|work throws a 465 GiB hard disk at juski **

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juski:

the old ways worked for decades – I've no idea why 'they' decided to change it

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Dagmar:

So it looks like the inode franticness about jfs resizing is still active

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Dagmar:

I did a little test (after carefully prodding lvm to move some stuff) and managed to get it to freak out 2 of 3 times after resizing a jfs filesystem

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directhex|work:

"they" being the IEC?

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, silly ibm. use xfs!

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Dagmar:

So like, for future reference, if you see someone complaining that their filesystem is mysteriously giving them errors about being read-only after they've resized a jfs filesystem, just tell them to unmount it and run fsck on it once and the problem will disappear

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frink_:

sooo folks..What is the currently reccomended myth DVB card?

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frink_:

this bloody nova-t 500 thing is finally cheesing me off too much

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** gbee loves his nova-t 500 **

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gbee:

frink_: what kernel are you using? Have you disabled EIT?

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gbee:

no rush on the answer, I'm going out for an hour or two

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frink_:

gbee: I love it too .. if only it were reliable.. I am on

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frink_:

2.6.20–1.2948.fc6

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frink_:

EIT not disabled..

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gbee:

EIT is the problem, until they fix the driver it would be better to use xmltv

[10:13:21]

frink_:

Hmm, OK thanks. I'll turn it off tonight :)

[10:13:27]

frink_:

Them maybe my wife will be happy

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frink_:

;-)

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juski:

happier maybe, never happy

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frink_:

yeah....

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gardengnome:

heh

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frink_:

can I use EIT data from another DVB card for all DVB inputs?

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juski:

frink_: only for stuff on the sme video source

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juski:

*same

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juski:

but there's no way to prevent the t-500 being used for EIT then

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frink_:

but one source is usually one DVB input yeah?

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juski:

like if you have 3 tuners, one each from the 500 card and a single tuner, all bound to the same video source – there'd be no way to prevent the 500 tuners being used for EIT

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frink_:

yup ok

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frink_:

actually i have each tuner on the nova-t as a seperate video source

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juski:

why?

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frink_:

i duno, just seemed like the right thing to do

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** Dibblah wonders about disconnecting the tuners from the USB bridge and seeing how they work connected to a real port ;) **

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frink_:

Dibblah: Actually I thougth the same thing the other day...

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juski:

there's no need :) unless you want to do that trick :-P

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blackest:

morning all

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juski:

mornang

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frink_:

juski: Does it make any diff either way with anything? (i.e. is it worth changing) ?

[10:17:00]

juski:

hm. me hungy

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blackest:

i'm getting somewhere with that sat card

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blackest:

i had 100's of channels working on it

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Dibblah:

I would doubt it'd make a difference.

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frink_:

blackest: Cool, what card do you have?

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juski:

frink_: less efficient? I dunno really. just easier to bind all tuners to one source IME

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blackest:

kworld dvb-s 100

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blackest:

only problem is i also have a kworld dvb-t210

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Dagmar:

I'm sorry to say this, but...

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juski:

no you're not!

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Dagmar:

Perhaps we can port MythTV to lolcode? http://www.lolcode.com

[10:18:58]

frink_:

blackest: Nice.. It's a shame all I can seem to get is german porn.

[10:18:59]

Dagmar:

It seems easier to deal with than Ruby.

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blackest:

i get arabic porn

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frink_:

blackest: How ironic :-)

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frink_:

Is there anything worth watching on any of these sat channels?

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blackest:

i think it only does fta channels in myth

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directhex|work:

unless you have a hardware CAM

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frink_:

and where do you get guide data from...?

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juski:

arabic porn? OMG! cover their eyes!

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directhex|work:

juski, hijab hotties 3!

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blackest:

epg on some channels

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juski:

blackest: so you enjoying all the $God & quiz/shopping channels then?

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blackest:

there is other software available for that card too

[10:21:06]

juski:

oh wait – you went Hotbird didntcha

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blackest:

yep for now

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juski:

w00t. another 2 badgers selled

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frink_:

I saw a hilarious site last year.. An presumably arabic woman with that long cover all thingy they wear on, but the thing was white and had a full length naked wooman printed over it :)

[10:21:44]

blackest:

i've got a motorised dish that it might get connected to

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frink_:

juski: You sell badgers?

[10:22:12]

juski:

frink_: you shoulda seen 'Is it cos I is black?' – it was hilarious

[10:22:20]

juski:

frink_: case badgers

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blackest:

thats got a technomate 1500ci connected to it

[10:22:33]

juski:

sticky badgers with a logo printed on em

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frink_:

juski: What is this "izzis coz iis blacq" ?

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frink_:

juski: how do i buy one?

[10:23:02]

blackest:

ali g reference frink

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juski:

frink_: was a tv show. they had a woman in a hibjab or something in Boots, her hubby wanting to buy some sunglasses to cover her eyes

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juski:

generally seeing how far they could crank up the P.C. machine & take the pee with it

[10:24:02]

juski:

Muslim bloke in Asda asking for Left handed toilet paper ..

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frink_:

thats funny

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juski:

they put a white guy, a bloke in a wheelchair & the dude in Muslim dress in a taxi queue & each tried their luck at pushing to the front

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blackest:

frink there is other software for that sat card which can do more with it on linux and windows

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juski:

blackest: I can't see how any software can possibly do 'more' with a card than mythtv – unless you're thinking VDR

[10:26:17]

juski:

with all it's $illegal $stuff

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gardengnome:

thank god there is no $illegal stuff for mythtv

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frink_:

whats VDR?

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Dibblah:

Sure there is more that you can do with a DVB-s card.

[10:27:08]

blackest:

yeah you'd have to put up with around 32 extra movie channels

[10:27:14]

Dibblah:

There's IP over Sat, etc...

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juski:

Dibblah: it's not up to mythtv to do that though

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blackest:

and french porn spanish porn ...

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Dibblah:

blackest: If your service provider gives you a CAM, sure.

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juski:

he's talking about $illegal $stuff again

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blackest:

not necessarily

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juski:

not that VDR officially support illegal plugins either

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blackest:

you can subscribe to various services

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directhex|work:

and obtain those services how?

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blackest:

prepaid card

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juski:

if I ever want to get kickbanned I know exactly how I'm gonna do it :)

[10:29:52]

directhex|work:

using the card how?

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Dibblah:

Errr.. CAM + card isn't illegal. Still. ;)

[10:30:12]

blackest:

cyfra+ is about £60 for 6 months from cyfra

[10:30:17]

Dibblah:

DVB-s card with CI slot <- CAM <- Card...

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juski:

yeah – all of which will work in mythtv & linux

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directhex|work:

Dibblah, using whose CAM?

[10:30:51]

Dibblah:

directhex|work: A number of legal CAMs exist.

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juski:

directhex|work: whoever.. you can buy them in the UK from various outlets

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Dagmar:

I can't believe people let the lolcode comment go

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Dibblah:

juski: Most of those are, however, not legal.

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directhex|work:

Dibblah, and use them without a validated set-top box, without violating the t&c?

[10:31:50]

juski:

directhex|work: not $ly though

[10:32:02]

Dibblah:

directhex|work: That's a stupid UKism.

[10:32:11]

Dibblah:

Doesn't apply to the rest of Europe.

[10:32:13]

Dagmar:

...from guys called "Shifty Joe"

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frink_:

so you cannot use a CAM in a PC card then?

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juski:

frink_: if the card has a CI slot, yeah you can

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juski:

of course!

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Dibblah:

Depends what you mean by PC Card.

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blackest:

i dont know really a cam fits a standard pcmcia slot

[10:34:00]

Dagmar:

If you can find a driver, more power to ya

[10:34:01]

Dibblah:

A CAM is _not_ PCMCIA ;)

[10:34:23]

frink_:

I didnt mean PCMCIA.. I meant a card that plugs into a PC to receive DVB :)

[10:34:23]

Dagmar:

CAM + PCMCIA slot == Small fire.

[10:34:41]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: no.

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Dibblah:

frink_: Yup. You can do that and it works with Myth.

[10:34:53]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: i can update my alphacrypt in a PCMCIA slot.

[10:34:54]

juski:

DVB-S / DVB-C / DVB-t tuner .. with CI slot + CAM + viewing card == result

[10:35:03]

directhex|work:

result == porn

[10:35:09]

Dagmar:

I read they weren't even electrically compatible

[10:35:19]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: They're not.

[10:35:42]

Dibblah:

As in the CAM signals don't make any sense for PCMCIA.

[10:35:49]

Dibblah:

But it's the same form factor.

[10:36:07]

Dibblah:

If a designer is clever, he can multipurpose the connector.

[10:36:23]

juski:

or dvb card with $@$X and hacked @$%^$ == result

[10:36:33]

blackest:

i'm sure there are a few cams programable from a pcmcia slot

[10:36:34]

Dagmar:

Holy crap there's a lolcode interpreter already

[10:37:20]

juski:

blackest: $ly for one IIRC

[10:37:52]

directhex|work:

juski, sky cam? think about what you said

[10:38:06]

frink_:

juski: there is a hack to receive encrypted stuff?

[10:39:41]

blackest:

actually i think with sky you can do something with a card paired to a box and emulate the box id , doesnt get you anything for free but you can get away from using skys box although i think it needs to be re-paired on a monthly basis

[10:39:44]

frink_:

i just purchased 3 badges – you have to tell me now :)

[10:39:55]

juski:

OMFG.. lolcode is real!

[10:40:03]

juski:

frink_: not obliged to tell anything

[10:40:07]

frink_:

juski: so is INTERCAL ;-)

[10:40:22]

** directhex|work makes frink_ write in Malbolge **

[10:40:25]

frink_:

juski: How many do I have to buy to make you obliged? ;-)

[10:40:49]

juski:

frink_: at least £100 worth

[10:41:05]

juski:

same with theme donations

[10:41:25]

juski:

$1000 will get you a 4:3 version of neon-wide

[10:42:00]

gardengnome:

i think your head would explode if someone actually donated $1000

[10:42:06]

blackest:

it would be interesting to see if there is any cam support in x86 linux (a dreambox is a ppc linux system)

[10:42:53]

gardengnome:

blackest: sure. just get a working DVB card

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juski:

gardengnome: my head might well explode but I'd have to do a 4:3 version already

[10:44:16]

blackest:

so if i bought one of those pci pcmcia card converters a cam should work in it providing you have a working subscription card (not sky of course they don't let you run your own box)

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juski:

blackest: not with mythtv since mythtv only supports DVB cards with CI slots & hardware CAMs

[10:45:19]

juski:

and with mythtv, one dvb tuner requires a CAM & viewing card PER tuner

[10:45:30]

Dibblah:

blackest: CI slot != PCMCIA slot.

[10:45:34]

juski:

you cannot share. sharing is naughty

[10:45:38]

planktonboy:

mornin juski

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planktonboy:

I came across your site yesterday...you got some nice themes mate

[10:46:03]

juski:

you cannot get a usb or serial card reader & use that either

[10:46:05]

planktonboy:

hi all

[10:46:06]

juski:

planktonboy: cheers

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planktonboy:

:)

[10:46:58]

juski:

been overawed by support for my themes this month :D

[10:47:02]

gardengnome:

juski: no, never ever use a serial card reader

[10:47:08]

juski:

very umm.. motivating!

[10:48:46]

planktonboy:

yeah, will def try them out

[10:49:44]

juski:

planktonboy: if you run svn, wait a few hours & there'll be an updated one or 2

[10:50:04]

planktonboy:

juski, ok

[10:50:18]

juski:

mythtv will not and does not support or condone the use of software decripplement

[10:52:15]

planktonboy:

Has anyone installed mythstream lately on svn build of mythtv

[10:53:58]

planktonboy:

just going to try and install it again, I tried the other day and although mythstream worked ok, if I used the Stream button to enter the stream settings page it crashed mythfrontend with a seg fault

[10:54:24]

planktonboy:

maybe I didnt compile it properly as I noticed an sql warning during that

[10:54:37]

planktonboy:

so just going to try again

[10:54:54]

juski:

some nice person could clean up mythstream & make it nice so it could be official once day

[10:55:02]

juski:

*one day even

[10:55:22]

planktonboy:

yeah its actually quite a useful plugin

[10:55:22]

blackest:

i was just looking at http://www.galaxy-marketing.com/vp1030.htm

[10:56:10]

planktonboy:

but def needs some tidying

[10:56:27]

frink_:

so can these CI DVB-S cards receive SKY stuff?

[10:56:44]

Aquahallic:

is there any way to get rid of these prebuffering pauses??...

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directhex|work:

frink_, physically, yes. under your license with bskyb, no

[10:56:47]

gardengnome:

dpkg-source: building mythtv in mythtv_svn20070605-13577–0.0ubuntu1mythbuntu1.tar.gz

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gardengnome:

o/

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juski:

frink_: with a dodgy CAM, yeah

[10:57:18]

frink_:

directhex|work: I have not got a license with them..

[10:57:19]

** juski goes for lunchy **

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juski:

frink_: you would have if you subscribed

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directhex|work:

frink_, you would do if you wanted to watch sky stuff

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juski:

and you'd HAVE to subscribe to get a card

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blackest:

frink why would you want sky anyway most of the programs are on other providers

[10:58:09]

frink_:

blackest: Exactly, other providers or the intarweb.

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planktonboy:

have a good lunch juski :)

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blackest:

the nice thing about digital is even if a channel is intended for spanish speakers often there is a 2nd english audio track

[10:58:59]

frink_:

my wife wanted sky just for sky+ because of the probs with this nova-t 500

[10:59:05]

frink_:

bloody sky+

[10:59:13]

frink_:

spit spit

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Dagmar:

Oh yes

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Dagmar:

must resist the temptation to make lolcats theme

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blackest:

if you really want sky pipe it over to myth once the skybox has decoded it

[11:01:20]

directhex|work:

yay, ir blasters rule!

[11:01:40]

juski:

frink_: your wife won't be too happy with $ly+ when you lose the signal & can't watch your recordings!

[11:01:59]

juski:

the signal from $ly vanishes with $weather

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blackest:

or the box gets full

[11:02:06]

frink_:

juski: or when it crashes

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directhex|work:

or it just stops working for fun

[11:02:16]

Dagmar:

That sounds a bit like DirectTV

[11:02:24]

frink_:

anybody wanna buy a topfield 5800 or shall i ebay it and see if some other sucker wants it?

[11:02:27]

juski:

or when it needs a £60 callout when your warranty exppires

[11:02:34]

directhex|work:

or sucks

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juski:

frink_: ebay ftw. plenty suckers there

[11:03:07]

juski:

it's definitely a sucker's market

[11:03:14]

juski:

oops.. I mean seller's marketplace

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blackest:

what is it ?

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Dibblah:

I'd be guessing badgers.

[11:26:43]

juski:

why watch an item that only has a fixed price?

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juski:

cuffing muppet :)

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juski:

gbee: you wanna ticket for the theme updates?

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Dagmar:

He's probably using it like a bookmark

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juski:

gbee: see #3574 – don't close it until I'm finished adding files – should be done today :)

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rsdvd:

Hi All.....does anyone have the "Big Clock" option working on a VFD?

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planktonboy:

can someone advise me on the following compile error I am getting ... /usr/include/qt3/qsqldatabase.h:63: warning: ‘class QSqlDriverCreatorBase’ has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor

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directhex|work:

that's not a compile error

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directhex|work:

it's a compile warning, which can be ignored

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planktonboy:

hi directhex,

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juski:

that's a t-shirt slogan

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planktonboy:

ah

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planktonboy:

ok thanks mate

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planktonboy:

excellent

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planktonboy:

:)

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planktonboy:

juski, haha

[12:58:32]

planktonboy:

a bit like the slogan on my old rave shirt

[12:58:39]

planktonboy:

only users lose drugs

[12:59:03]

planktonboy:

enough of that :) slap hand

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planktonboy:

anyways, thanks directhex, will try to install that now and see if it works any better than before

[13:03:53]

otwin:

i'm confused – is it possible to add custom recording profiles?

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directhex|work:

otwin, recording how?

[13:04:15]

juski:

like a Star Trek fan's costume competition.. there are no winners & losers, only losers

[13:04:35]

otwin:

through pvr-x50

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juski:

otwin: nope

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juski:

there are the ones you've got – you can just about rename em & that's it

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juski:

not that the renaming really works

[13:05:40]

otwin:

i tried adding them manually in the db, but they don't show up in the guide or mythweb – so it's hardcoded, thx juski

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juski:

Dagmar looked into un-hard coding them but it was too big a job apparently

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otwin:

what i want to do is, to record on some recordings the main language and on others the SAP language

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planktonboy:

hehe

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gbee:

you get 4 profiles, you don't have to use them as they are named

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gbee:

but I must admit I didn't know you couldn't create new profiles, in fact I'm a little suprised

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otwin:

gbee: yes, that's what I will probably do – just wondered if it was possible as the mailing list archive gives me different answers: some say 'in the gui', some 'through the db', some 'not possible'

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Ruleke:

does the internal player support AC3 passthrough ?

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Ruleke:

enabled the checkbox, but no sound, mplayer is fine

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gbee:

hmm, svn head allows new profiles to be created – I don't have -fixes installed to check that

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otwin:

well, the main reason is that the 'dual' setting in the SAP/Billiangual field does not work for me – need to check that more when i get home

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gbee:

where is that setting? I don't remember ever seeing it

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otwin:

gbee: in the recording profile of pvr-x50 tuners

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gbee:

ah, found it

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otwin:

i am runnng svn r12904 trunk, btw

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gbee:

otwin: well head seems to support adding new profiles through the Recording Profiles menu, so you could just upgrade if you find that 12904 doesn't

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gbee:

you just have to make sure that in the new profile audio and video codec is set to "Mpeg2 hardware encoder" – seems to be the only possible stumbling block

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otwin:

ok – i am just a bit cautious in updating, cause i need to keep my minimyth frontend in sync

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otwin:

thanks, i will check that tonight

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gbee:

otwin: right – I'd double check your current version then, I can't remember changes being made to recording profiles in the last 3 months which means there is a good chance the option you are after is there in 12904

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Ruleke:

it seems all non-AC3 sources play fine with the internal mythvideo player to spdif, just not ones that have AC3 in the source

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gbee:

ahh, commit [12953] looks like the one you want

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Ruleke:

same video with ac3 source plays with mplayer... hmmz

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gbee:

what about ffplay?

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Ruleke:

good question

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gbee:

really don't know much about the ac3 stuff, so I really can't be of any help

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Ruleke:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configur . . . C3_and_SPDIF

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Ruleke:

pretty much followed that

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Ruleke:

seems to work for all sources, bar ac3

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otwin:

gbee: that's great, because there is a minimyth svn 13243 release – so i don't have to build it myself, which can be tricky – thx again.

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juski:

why didn't we have a frickin petition to ban ITV or Tony B. Liar?

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Ruleke:

since when do dictators care about petitions ?

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juski:

or .. elections? ;)

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Ruleke:

ya

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kslater:

juski – make any progress on your windows file share problems?

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LinuxHelp:

If my /var is reiserfs 3.6, should "Delete files slowly" be on or off?

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Dagmar:

LinuxHelp: Do you need to delete massive amounts of stuff from /var?

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LinuxHelp:

Dagmar, you mean in mythtv, or otherwise?

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Dagmar:

The "delete files slowly" option is to avoid the filesystem hanging hte machine if say, nine files totalling 47Gb are expiring at the same time

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Dagmar:

It is only needed if you were a knucklehead and ignored the warning about *not* using ext3 or reiserfs for your recording storage directory.

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LinuxHelp:

So "slowly" is more reliabe for me?

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Dagmar:

...because if you have your recordings in say, /space and 47Gb of them expire at once, and the delete commands are issued all at once, the machine is going to *hang* and sit there for at least 30–45 seconds while it deletes them.

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Dagmar:

Read what I'm saying and think.

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Dagmar:

Did you or did you *not* have your recordings going into an ext3 or reiserfs filesystem?

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Dagmar:

...or did you use XFS or JFS for that as the documentation strongly suggested.

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Dagmar:

XFS and JFS can both delete massive files without journaling the entire deletion, and thusly hanging the machine on disk I/O

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LinuxHelp:

But the fact that they do this also makes them dangerous, esp. xfs

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Dagmar:

What? No.

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LinuxHelp:

Journaling async to file data ops

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Dagmar:

You don't really need to journal deleting every sector of a big file.

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Dagmar:

The only thing that really needs to be journaled there is one change to the allocation map and one change to the directory tree structure.

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LinuxHelp:

I used to run jfs on my var, especially for mythtv, but now I've switched to reiser because it has data=ordered

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Dagmar:

Then you now need slow file deletion because you thought you knew something you didn't.

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LinuxHelp:

reiserfs > jfs > xfs

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Dagmar:

Wrong.

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LinuxHelp:

Dagmar, what did I think I knew?

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Dagmar:

You thought you knew how journaling worked for xfs/jfs.

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LinuxHelp:

Dagmar, no, I didnt think that

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Dagmar:

You just decided to use a coin toss to make this decision then?

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LinuxHelp:

Dagmar, I thought that there was reasonable doubt as to the safety of such systems

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Dagmar:

...becuase what you're claiming about async journaling is simply wrong.

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LinuxHelp:

Maybe, maybe not, but now I know I'm as safe as I can be

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Dagmar:

And hellishly slow.

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Dagmar:

It's a design difference that allows XFS/JFS to journal the deletion of a large file in one quick stroke.

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directhex|work:

reiser is never safe

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Dagmar:

Well, his wife wasn't at any rate

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otwin:

heh

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gbee:

oof

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directhex|work:

zing!

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directhex|work:

you scared him off, Dagmar!

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Dagmar:

Now what bugs the hell out of me about that is that he's going to go 'round telling people that nonsense about jfs/xfs supposely doing asynchronous journaling

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Dagmar:

Freaking bogon emitters.

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Ruleke:

SEP field engaged

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Dagmar:

Doing that is how you wind up with things like Novell Enterprise Users' Groups

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samesame:

wheres that juski bloke

[14:07:56]

Dagmar:

...and Unixware.

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** directhex|work installs SLES on Dagmar **

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TSCHAKWerk:

morning

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Kelerion:

afternoon all :)

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Kelerion:

not so quickie then.. lol

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juski:

speaking of dvb devices .. my complaint to the council about that dish is being investigated. muhahahaha

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juski:

Kelerion: should look for adapter0 by default.. if it's the 1st device

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juski:

I'd prolly delete all cards & start again

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anykey__:

If I had two PVR-500 cards, and I'd attach two input to two STBs, can I set the "digital" inputs to a higher priority for recordings? And prefer using the "analogue" inputs for livetv?

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Kelerion:

did that... few times... it is finding 0 by default when in mythtv-setup... but then when at inputs.. it's trying to open 1 when I've already define 0

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Kelerion:

daft really...there *is* only 1 card in it.. adapter0.. lol

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Kelerion:

bah...gonna dump the db...see if that helps

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gbee:

Kelerion: odd

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juski:

time to get on me bike & delivery some more badgers to the postal orifice

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Kelerion:

nope... dumped db... started from scratch... still a problem.. but now not saying trying to open the wrong adapter

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Kelerion:

3 line log...

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Kelerion:

2007-06–05 16:28:15.837 DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 0

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Kelerion:

2007-06–05 16:28:24.099 Failed to run tv_find_grabbers

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Kelerion:

2007-06–05 16:28:32.631 DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 1

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Kelerion:

on "scan for channels".. just says can't open card

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Kelerion:

I know the cards working

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juski:

those warnings are just that: warnings

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juski:

the user you're running mythtv-setup as a member of the 'video' group?

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juski:

something the Ubunut packages do for you automagically :)

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Kelerion:

yup

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gbee:

is the device a member of the video group?

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gbee:

does changing the permissions on the device node to 777 help?

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Kelerion:

crwxrwxrwx 1 root video 212, 3 2007-06–05 15:08 frontend0

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Kelerion:

aye...and no different...

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Kelerion:

whats " Failed to run tv_find_grabbers"?

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gbee:

Kelerion: means you don't have xmltv installed

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Kelerion:

well thats alright isn't it? am using EIT...or trying to

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** Kelerion installs it anyways **

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Kelerion:

can't do any harm

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outlier:

Does the current version of Myth support multiple storage directories ?

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GreyFoxx:

only in SVN

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Kelerion:

ok...so it won't let me do a channel scan in mythtv-setup... so can I force an eit search from the command line?

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outlier:

Thanks, GreyFoxx – looks like I need lvm/raid on my backend then.

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Kelerion:

or is it gonna use the tzap channels.conf?

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GreyFoxx:

outlier: Or run SVN :)

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, not in 0.20-fixes?

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|work: Nope I don't beleive so

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GreyFoxx:

It's a new feature, not a bug fix

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RyeBrye:

Anyone know where to get libid3–3.8.3-dev for fedora?

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outlier:

GreyFoxx – I'm setting up linuxMCE so running SVN is probably not an option, at least initially.

[15:52:25]

Dopy:

is there a plugin or a setting to remember where you left off in a movie

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Dopy:

or show

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opello:

if it's a recording you can hit space or enter to set a bookmark

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, they were added to protocol version 32. looks like -fixes is 31

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juski:

woo that was a tad cadiovasclee-ar

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directhex|work:

juski, feeling fitter, post-cigs?

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juski:

Dopy: if you use the Internal player to play dvds or videos you can set bookmarks too IIRC

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juski:

directhex|work: kind of. I feel more like being active

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juski:

not saying gym membership is imminent like (shudder!)

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Dagmar:

You can't use the cool pokemon without the gym badges

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gbee:

Dopy: you can also choose to set bookmarks automatically when you leave playback – it's under the playback settings "Actions on exit" or something

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directhex|work:

pidgeotto, i choose you!

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juski:

I never did see the point in poke her mom

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gbee:

outlier: just run SVN, much easier. It's as stable, if not more stable than the current release anyway

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Dagmar:

I've been naming mine subtly sinister things and trading them over GTS

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Dagmar:

Things like FELCHIOR, and CATAMITE

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juski:

and JIZZLER?

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Dagmar:

Oooh that's a good one

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Dagmar:

Animal Crossing was more abuseable, but I guess they've learned from that.

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Dagmar:

I can fire up the DS, and write a virtual note, and stick it into a bottle, and then... somewhere in the world, someone else will get it.

[16:03:22]

Dagmar:

...and it will say "I WATCH YOU WHEN YOU SLEEP."

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gbee:

heh

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outlier:

gbee – I'll start with just a single drive then, and when I get linuxmce working, I can upgrade Myth and add the other drives.

[16:04:06]

Dagmar:

Absolutely no freetext whatsoever is allowed in mails in Pokemon Pearl/Diamond

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juski:

can I quote that?.. "when I get linuxmce working" ... ??

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outlier:

juski – I'm an optimist, what can I say.

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outlier:

Just out of curiosity – is SVN still recommended for 32 bit, or is 64 bit the way forward now ?

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Dagmar:

It doesn't much matter, afaik

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outlier:

Good to know.

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RyeBrye:

damned beagle... eating my CPU

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RyeBrye:

stupid beagle-settings requires a display to run...

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RyeBrye:

yum remove beagle

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RyeBrye:

that'll fix it :)

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RyeBrye:

probably better than a cron job that runs every 5 minutes and manually kills it

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Dagmar:

If you don't have an X display running, there's not a whole lotta point in letting Beagle run

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RyeBrye:

yeah... It just enabled itself by default

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RyeBrye:

it's a little parasite

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Dagmar:

You're the one who installed it.

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, I probably did... I need to check more before I click buttons when I install things :)

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juski:

SS

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gurft:

I can't seem to locate the docs on how to pass parameters such has name of the show to User Jobs, can someone point me to the link?

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RyeBrye:

I'm having a problem with nuvexport – my mythtranscode is segfaulting

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RyeBrye:

http://pastebin.ca/541832

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RyeBrye:

There's the output of nuvexport --debug and then the output of executing the commands

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gbee:

beers on juski!

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RyeBrye:

Mythtranscode gets to: 2007-06–05 10:50:36.979 Processed: 24 of 35835 frames(0 seconds)

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RyeBrye:

Is there a log that would have more detailed info from mythtranscode indicating why it failed?

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** RyeBrye wonders if it's his cutlist... executes again without using a cutlist in nuvexport **

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RyeBrye:

nope... still segfaults

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** RyeBrye tries a different codec **

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** RyeBrye still has no luck **

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Dopy:

anyone know of a script that would transcode all dvds in a directory/subdirectories? i have about 400 iso's that ive ripped...

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Dagmar:

Holy mother of god how big is your disk?

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Dagmar:

...and what do you think you're going to transcode these on before the MTBF on the disks is reached?

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gardengnome:

i somehow disabled ssh access to my boxes at home. teh suxx.

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Dagmar:

Could be worse.

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Dopy:

i have 10 750gb disk in raid 5 array

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Dopy:

6.75 terabytes

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Dagmar:

It could be your boss that did that, and now he's coming to you asking you how to exploit the httpd to regain access, and then your answer is...

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Dopy:

:)

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Dagmar:

"Umm... I kinda helped securify that during their beta."

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Dagmar:

At 2 hours per movie... hahah

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Dopy:

for 2 pass encoding :)

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Dagmar:

You've not transcoded a DVD before have you

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Dagmar:

HAHAHAHAH

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anykey__:

LOL

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anykey__:

have fun :p

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Dagmar:

Try more like EIGHT hours

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Dopy:

yes a few with the mythtv transcoder

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Dopy:

your machine must be slow — freggin slow

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Dagmar:

Unless you're doing just a "let's throw some p frames out the window" transcode

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Dagmar:

No, I transcode to a format that beats the crap out of mpeg2

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Dagmar:

...but it ain't fast.

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Pryon:

I've done a couple movies in mythtv on the "excellent" setting and it took nowhere near 8 hours.

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anykey__:

Dagmar: if you transcode mpeg-2 to mpeg-4 it takes about 8 hours for me on my amd64 x2 4200+ cpu...

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Dagmar:

anykey__: Same here

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anykey__:

Dagmar: that was actually meant for Dopy, sorry ;)

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Dagmar:

Only an mpeg2 to mpeg2 transcode is going to go that fast

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Dopy:

i did the excellent.. under 2 hours on a x2 amd 3800+

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Dagmar:

...and that's literally just throwing details out the window

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Dopy:

it takes about 30minutes with handbrake — using h.234 on a core 2 duo e6600

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Dopy:

1.4 gig avg movie size

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Dagmar:

You'd get half that size from mpeg4

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Dopy:

is it worth the size difference.. for the time envolved?

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Dagmar:

I suppose it depends on how blind you are.

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Pryon:

heh

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Dopy:

i look for close to dvd quality when encoding..

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Dopy:

8hrs per movie is crazy...

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Dagmar:

You might want to look into some Windex then, man.

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anykey__:

Dopy: if you want close to dvd quality, why not store the isos as they are?

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Dopy:

im thinking that

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Dagmar:

It'll be too easy for the MPAA to figure out where he downloaded them from

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Dopy:

if i everwant to "archive one" for someone.. it will be a "real" dvd back

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anykey__:

Dagmar: heh ;)

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Dopy:

you guys think raid 6 is worth the extra disk for parity

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Dagmar:

Depends on if you're buying Maxtor drives I suppose

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Dopy:

seagate

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Dopy:

with a Promise SuperTrak EX16300

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rktboy:

hello all

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Pryon:

What are you using for backups?

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Dopy:

thats why i have the raid array

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anykey__:

Dopy: raid <> backup..

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Dopy:

im thinking of going to raid 6

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rktboy:

not necessarily a mythtv question but has anyone noticed that FX channel has no data on the guide?

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Dopy:

so 2 drives could "die" without me losing everything

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Pryon:

RAID doesn't protect you from brain farts, only disk failure

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Dopy:

i know its not backup

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Dopy:

but i cant afford a backup system

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anykey__:

but you can afford 10x750 gb drives?! :p

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Pryon:

When you said (effectively) "I have an extra disk" I immediately thought 'backup'

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Dopy:

im getting the drives for under 220 each

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`sam`:

what's a good capture card for mythtv?

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Pryon:

where's your signal coming from?

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`sam`:

cable

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Pryon:

Hauppauge wintvpvr 150, 500

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Pryon:

(assuming analog)

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anykey__:

depends if you are on digital or analogue cable though

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`sam`:

well i have digital cable but the cable wire coming to my computer isn't through the cable box

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Pryon:

same as my (current) setup. I'll stick with hauppauge

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`sam`:

i have a bttv card right now, and i can't get it to record audio

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`sam`:

it's not on the list of supported bttv cards

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RyeBrye:

if you have digital cable, running firewire out of your box to a firewire card on your computer is good too

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RyeBrye:

provided the firewire is enabled on your cable box

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`sam`:

i didn't see anything for firewire on the cable box, but there is a usb port

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Pryon:

If your cable provider is anything like mine, you don't want to record the digital anyway as they aren't pushing enough bits down the pipe to avoid nasty artifacts a lot of the time.

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RyeBrye:

are you in the USA?

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Pryon:

yeah

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`sam`:

yeah i have time-warner

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Pryon:

oh. Probably not talking to me :-)

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RyeBrye:

It's oky :)

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RyeBrye:

What model cable box is it?

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`sam`:

hold on i'll go check

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RyeBrye:

Gotta love how cable co's blatantly ignore that firewire requirement

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`sam`:

motorola dct6416 III

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`sam`:

i think

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squish103:

`sam` i had 3 bttv capture cards, could never get the audio working. gave up, bought a pvr-150 and worked out of the box

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RyeBrye:

That should have firewire on the back, IIRC – not on the front, but in the back of the box is where the fw port is I believe

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`sam`:

well i don't have firewire on my computer

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RyeBrye:

firewire port on your comptuer is cheat

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RyeBrye:

err cheap

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RyeBrye:

like... $10 or $15

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`sam`:

i've seen something that converts a usb port to firewire, would that work?

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RyeBrye:

No

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`sam`:

need a pci card for it?

[17:41:44]

RyeBrye:

yeah

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RyeBrye:

There isn't really any such thing as a USB -> Firewire converter, excpet for perhaps charging an ipod or something

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`sam`:

ok

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`sam`:

well i'll check into those and the hauppage cards

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RyeBrye:

It'd be a cheaper solution than buying a PVR-500 – but you'd be limited to how many cable boxes you have

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RyeBrye:

as to how many channels you can record at once

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RyeBrye:

If it were me, I'd do both

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RyeBrye:

Since it's really cheap to do firewire

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RyeBrye:

I'd just buy a firewire card at the same time I bought the capture card

[17:44:30]

RyeBrye:

If you want to capture HD, you can do that via firewire (depending on if the HD channel isn't protected... etc)

[17:44:59]

RyeBrye:

I'm not running firewire at home, but I don't have digital cable

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`sam`:

something with tv-out or av out would be nice

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rktboy:

q

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rktboy:

exit

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rktboy:

sorry guys...wrong term...

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nixternal:

look for opinions here...wanting to build my FIRST myth setup. hardware -> which tv card would be the best for such task? and video card?

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gbee:

what sort of tv? Digital or Analogue? Satellite, Terrestrial or Cable? Also which country?

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gbee:

as far as the video card, NVidia, a GF4 or above (ATi linux drivers are rubbish)

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nixternal:

if possible, would like it to work with digital & analog, and it would be Satellite, in the USA

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nixternal:

ya, I kind of figured NVidia

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** RyeBrye shudders at the mere mention of ATI **

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nixternal:

hehe

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a5benwillis:

any bsd users out there?

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RyeBrye:

OS X is basd on BSD – that count :)

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gbee:

nixternal: can't really help you with the card, I don't know much about Sat broadcasts in the US or Satellite cards for that matter – but someone here will know the answer, so hang around

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nixternal:

thanks a ton gbee!

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nixternal:

the tv cards have my head spinning, so I figured the best place to ask would be here

[18:13:41]

RyeBrye:

by sat you mean your own big dish, or a dish provided by DirecTV or DishNetwork?

[18:13:42]

suihkulokki:

is the current svn stable for dvb usage?

[18:13:47]

nixternal:

DirecTV

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gbee:

suihkulokki: yes

[18:14:08]

RyeBrye:

There is no digital output from DirecTV – so you need an analog capture card

[18:14:29]

RyeBrye:

and then you control the tuner by using either a serial control, or an IR blaster that sends channel-changing ir codes to the box

[18:14:32]

gbee:

suihkulokki: well it's not any less stable than 0.20

[18:14:34]

opello:

zap2it renewall even easier, albeit slightly more confusing — no text at all, just a submit/cancel, heh

[18:14:50]

nixternal:

RyeBrye: best card for the task?

[18:14:55]

RyeBrye:

only some boxes allow for serial control

[18:15:13]

gbee:

nixternal: Hauppauge PVR-150 or PVR-500

[18:15:15]

nixternal:

I believe my box may have serial control, but would probably just utilize ir blaster

[18:15:18]

RyeBrye:

I agree with gbee

[18:15:18]

suihkulokki:

gbee: I'm using 0.20 atm, and it's somewhat crashy

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nixternal:

gbee: rock on!

[18:15:33]

RyeBrye:

PVR-150 or 500

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anykey__:

nixternal: probably the 150, two of 'em are much cheaper than a single pvr-500

[18:15:36]

RyeBrye:

500 would give you 2 tuners

[18:15:49]

RyeBrye:

The benefit of the 500 is it only takes 1 PCI slot

[18:15:52]

suihkulokki:

gbee: especially the backend crashes are evil as it causes missed recordings :(

[18:16:02]

nixternal:

OK...what benefit do I get with 2 tuners over the 1 tuner?

[18:16:12]

opello:

record two shows at a time

[18:16:12]

RyeBrye:

crontab -e and add in a mythbackend -d every minute ;)

[18:16:24]

RyeBrye:

You'd ahve to have 2 direcTV boxes

[18:16:27]

nixternal:

would that require 2 satellite boxes though?

[18:16:29]

RyeBrye:

Yeah

[18:16:30]

nixternal:

ok..thought so

[18:16:35]

RyeBrye:

and a dual LNB sat

[18:16:38]

gbee:

nixternal: when it comes to analogue or capturing from a STB, then the only answer is the Hauppauge PVR range as they have built-in hardware encoders so use no system cpu and are MUCH easier to setup

[18:16:43]

nixternal:

so then a single tuner would be fine then for the time being

[18:16:46]

RyeBrye:

Yeah

[18:17:05]

nixternal:

if I ever got nuts then I could throw in another 150 if need be

[18:17:27]

RyeBrye:

true

[18:17:35]

nixternal:

and I read something in the MythTV docs to stay away from via chipsets as well

[18:17:40]

RyeBrye:

I went with a 500 because I figured if I ever got nuts I could throw in another 500 if I needed to :)

[18:17:44]

anykey__:

nixternal: yeah, avoid them where you can :)

[18:17:58]

nixternal:

nforce or intel then, depending on the cpu I go with

[18:18:19]

RyeBrye:

I do all my calculations by hand, and don't use a CPU

[18:18:22]

RyeBrye:

;)

[18:18:24]

nixternal:

lol

[18:18:28]

anykey__:

heh

[18:18:30]

nixternal:

you are a bad mofo!

[18:18:34]

gbee:

suihkulokki: can't hurt to try SVN then – but if the crashes continue you should consider submitting a bug report, can't fix problems that we don't know about ;)

[18:18:37]

nixternal:

I at least have to use an abacus

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anykey__:

i'm using paper here :p

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jshewey:

Is this an acceptable channel to discuss lirc issues, or is ther another channel for that?

[18:19:46]

RyeBrye:

is it lirc with MythTV?

[18:19:58]

RyeBrye:

or Lirc with something else?

[18:20:47]

jshewey:

lirc with mythtv.

[18:20:53]

RyeBrye:

That's fair game

[18:21:11]

jshewey:

irw detects keypresses, but mythtv does not.

[18:21:30]

gbee:

jshewey: ok, have you setup a lircrc file for mythtv?

[18:21:52]

jshewey:

I have my linuxrc file correctly placed in ~/.lircrc and ~/.mythtv/lircrc files

[18:22:05]

jshewey:

For both the mythtv user and my regular user.

[18:22:24]

jshewey:

Owner for the mythtv directory is the mythtv user, who has read and write permissions.

[18:22:42]

jshewey:

Same story for the lircrc files in the other users directory (user is miranda)

[18:23:09]

jshewey:

Sorry, not linuxrc, but rather lircrc

[18:23:21]

gbee:

jshewey: is there anything in the log about lirc when you start mythfrontend?

[18:23:47]

jshewey:

I am using ubuntu BTW

[18:24:15]

jshewey:

There is nothing in syslog/dmesg. Did not check mythtv's log file, but that is only for the backend I believe.

[18:24:18]

gbee:

you should see either an error, or the following: "lirc init success using configuration file: /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc"

[18:24:37]

jshewey:

There is a table that is marked as crashed in the log, but I don't think that should have anything to do with the remote.

[18:24:43]

gbee:

jshewey: start mythfrontend from a console and check what is written to stdout

[18:24:49]

jshewey:

OK. Thx.

[18:25:08]

jshewey:

This message should appear in /var/log/mythtv?

[18:25:41]

gbee:

jshewey: no idea – every distro does it differently and I don't use Ubuntu

[18:26:23]

gbee:

it will either say lirc was started successfully or it will say that it failed and give a reason

[18:30:09]

RyeBrye:

Can anyone with any nuvexport troubleshooting experience check out this and let me know what my problem might be? http://pastebin.ca/541832

[18:30:23]

RyeBrye:

it seems that mythtranscode is segfaulting after about 20 or 30 frames

[18:30:39]

RyeBrye:

I tried a different recording and different codec, but it still segfaults – just after a different number of frames

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gbee:

RyeBrye: the transcoder has some known faults, one of them is an ability to deal with certain kinds of changes in the stream

[18:34:19]

gbee:

what version are you using? Have you checked svn.mythtv.org to see if this is a known issue and would you be prepared to report it if not?

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RyeBrye:

gbee – I'm using the latest svn version of it

[18:38:54]

RyeBrye:

I haven't checked it out, I was just wondering if anyone knew if I was possibly doing something wrong

[18:39:03]

RyeBrye:

I'll check to see if it is a bug

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gbee:

RyeBrye: a segfault is a bug, whether it's caused by a user mis-using something or not

[18:39:52]

RyeBrye:

k

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** RyeBrye feels better... **

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gbee:

RyeBrye: I don't think you are doing anything wrong, transcoding is tricky and a fair number of obscure bugs show up in the transcoder

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planktonboy:

when doing a ./configure for mythtv there is an option --enable-xvmc-opengl

[18:42:28]

planktonboy:

If I have an nvidia 7600GS so do I need to enable that or should I just stick with --enable-xvmc

[18:42:35]

a5benwillis:

anyone have much luck ripping copy-protected dvd's? I cant seem to get it to work in myth(I own them of course)

[18:42:39]

gardengnome:

leave --enable-xvmc-opengl alone

[18:42:39]

gbee:

RyeBrye: I just think you've been unlucky with that the streams you are recording contain some irregularity that the transcoder doesn't know how to handle

[18:42:52]

gardengnome:

planktonboy: leave --enable-xvmc-opengl alone

[18:43:06]

planktonboy:

gardengnome, ok mate thanks :)

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planktonboy:

that was the answer I was hoping for haha

[18:43:25]

planktonboy:

cheers mate

[18:43:36]

gbee:

planktonboy: you don't want it, it's basically an experimental feature which you should only consider if you _have_ to because you need it

[18:43:49]

planktonboy:

gbee, ok

[18:44:01]

gbee:

same really goes for XvMC, unless you need it, don't bother

[18:44:13]

planktonboy:

yeah I had been wondering about that for a while

[18:44:18]

planktonboy:

oh really?

[18:44:28]

RyeBrye:

I thought XvMC was needed to playback HD smoothly

[18:44:40]

planktonboy:

I guess xvmc wont do any harm having as an option

[18:44:44]

Tronic:

RyeBrye: Not if you have a fast machine.

[18:44:53]

planktonboy:

but I havent really needed it

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gbee:

RyeBrye: not needed, but as I said – "unless you need it" ;)

[18:45:24]

planktonboy:

ok...maybe I'll just do without it

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** RyeBrye wonders if he is using xvmc or not **

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stuarta:

juski: how's the sale of case badgers going?

[18:45:57]

RyeBrye:

case badgers?

[18:46:04]

RyeBrye:

lemee see lemee see

[18:46:08]

planktonboy:

the only reason I thought of it was that it was enabled in the ubuntu repos packages

[18:46:15]

gbee:

planktonboy: there isn't any harm in compiling it in, but if you are never going to enable it within playback settings, then why bother? It's just another set of libs and dependacies that you have to worry about.

[18:46:16]

stuarta:

RyeBrye: www.juski.co.uk

[18:46:33]

juski:

stuarta: going ok so far :)

[18:46:40]

planktonboy:

gbee, yup

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stuarta:

cool

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planktonboy:

ok mate, cheers for the info :)

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RyeBrye:

Oh, I guess the part of the stream that makes mythtranscode choke when exporting also makes it choke when transcoding for flash video

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gbee:

transcoding for flash is done by ffmpeg, but it means there is definately something unusual about the stream

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RyeBrye:

I wonder what about my PVR-500 stream would be unusual

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juski:

glitches

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[18:58:01]

RyeBrye:

That flash plugin part for MythWeb is cool

[18:58:03]

Fony_Vaio:

any reason why jfs doesn't appear to be a much talked about / recommended filesystem in linux? I was contemplating switching from xfs to jfs, but can't find much info.

[18:58:17]

RyeBrye:

But the ffmpegs seem to keep going after I close that window

[18:58:31]

RyeBrye:

My load average just shot up to 9 because I had 6 ffmpegs still running

[18:58:43]

juski:

Fony_Vaio: btw there's no way to get dvb-c directly into mythtv in the UK _legitimately_

[18:59:07]

gbee:

RyeBrye: still work in progress – it will get fixed, probably before 0.21

[18:59:11]

Fony_Vaio:

juski: ah, sucks...

[18:59:19]

RyeBrye:

gbee: that's fine – it's still really sweet

[18:59:24]

juski:

Fony_Vaio: UK pay TV all sucks

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juski:

RyeBrye: rumour has it that the ffmpeg stuff is just temporary until the backend can do transcoding on the fly all by itself :)

[19:00:31]

a5benwillis:

anyone have much luck ripping copy-protected dvd's? I cant seem to get it to work in myth(I own them of course)

[19:00:42]

RyeBrye:

a5ben – I haven't, but I haven't tried in a while

[19:00:53]

RyeBrye:

I think the problem is in decss – what myth uses to read them

[19:00:56]

opello:

Enotlegaleverywhere?

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juski:

Fony_Vaio: don't hint that you'd like to know how to get around the _legitimately_ part please

[19:01:50]

Fony_Vaio:

juski: can't blame a guy for trying. :D

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juski:

Fony_Vaio: but that site you mention – all very suspect. I expect his cable co would be very interested in knowing

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juski:

Fony_Vaio: you could but you'd risk getting them disconnected and/or sued

[19:04:07]

Fony_Vaio:

they've been banging their heads against a wall for a long time trying to get it resolved, but i think it's just the hardware / software is poor quality.

[19:04:24]

juski:

hell I'd have used a direct method myself – but nothing doing in that dept.

[19:04:25]

gbee:

Josh Lefler ever in here?

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Fony_Vaio:

juski: I'm sure the cable co would just warn 'em, then if they continued suspend 'em, and then cancel 'em.

[19:04:42]

a5benwillis:

juski: What site?

[19:04:53]

juski:

a5benwillis: exactly!

[19:05:08]

opello:

these are not the droids you are looking for

[19:07:03]

juski:

if Virgin were nice & issued a CAM & said "Ok but we won't support it" it'd be great!

[19:07:12]

Fony_Vaio:

juski: fair enough, although illegal vs. against T&C's are two very different things.

[19:07:17]

juski:

but they don't, and that's the end of the story

[19:07:59]

juski:

Fony_Vaio: there's unencrippled stuff on there, but it's against the T&Cs to connect your own gear to their cable. to get at the encrippled material.. that's where the _real_ dodgy territory is

[19:08:04]

opello:

illegal and violating a legal agreement are different?

[19:08:16]

opello:

crazy laws :p

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juski:

opello: one is a civil matter – breach of contract. the other is stealing TV

[19:10:08]

Fony_Vaio:

i'm not talking about theft of service. I'm talking about using his subscription card with one of those CAM things

[19:10:21]

juski:

you can't get a cam thing for them

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Fony_Vaio:

anyway, if it's against their T&C's then i guess that's it... i guess...

[19:10:51]

juski:

and if they find out they're within their rights to confiscate anything they find attached to their cable. read the T&Cs

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opello:

wireless! heh

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Fony_Vaio:

lol

[19:12:58]

juski:

you could test that in court, but I bet they can afford a cleverer lawyer than you

[19:13:06]

opello:

probably :p

[19:13:08]

cyrexion:

hey guys. I have a pcHDTV HD-5500 which I want to use with MythTV. Since I have a Dish VIP 211 STB, I can't simply connect the TV out from it into the coax of the HD-5500. Therefore I must use the composite or s-video input. Using KnoppMyth, can I simply use these inputs without going through the "channel scan" setup portion ?

[19:13:18]

opello:

next time, optical carrier, through the air!

[19:13:40]

juski:

cyrexion: you realise that's a pitiful waste of a hdtv tuner card right?

[19:14:01]

Fony_Vaio:

roll on iptv, i guess...

[19:14:15]

juski:

Fony_Vaio: definitely not. even more lock-downable

[19:14:16]

cyrexion:

I agree. If there were a way to get HD content off of my dish receiver, that would be nice

[19:14:41]

Fony_Vaio:

juski: gah! all tied up in DRM hell!

[19:14:42]

Fony_Vaio:

lol

[19:15:19]

juski:

Fony_Vaio: you can bet your house on it

[19:15:38]

cyrexion:

or even an arial antenna

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cyrexion:

"arial antenna" – that probably made no sense... I meant an antenna to recieve OTA stations

[19:17:13]

a5benwillis:

you guys kill me

[19:17:22]

a5benwillis:

I get HD just fine

[19:18:14]

juski:

this channel is always killing me. what the heck is so hard about making mythtv/lirc/tvout/ivtv/mysql work properly anyway?

[19:18:33]

cyrexion:

a5benwillis: what provider do you have?

[19:18:44]

a5benwillis:

5th

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a5benwillis:

juski: We've talked about this before. If it were all so easy EVERYONE would be running Myth.

[19:19:42]

juski:

pardon me for being omnicognic :-P

[19:19:50]

a5benwillis:

It can be very difficultfor someone just getting into it. Especially if its their first exp with linux.

[19:20:10]

juski:

a5benwillis: it was no walk in the park for me but I figured it all out.

[19:20:13]

a5benwillis:

blah, we've already had this conversation LOL

[19:20:13]

juski:

anyway

[19:20:36]

a5benwillis:

I help where I can although it isnt as much as I'de like.

[19:20:48]

a5benwillis:

Im a newbie :-DD

[19:20:49]

juski:

cyrexion: even if you opted to use an external video input on the tuner card you would still need to set up your channel lineup. not by scanning though!

[19:21:33]

cyrexion:

juski: I have an account with zap2it set up. When I go to "fetch channels from listing", it doesn't do anything

[19:21:52]

juski:

cyrexion: I don't think it will do anything til the 1st time you run mythfilldatabase

[19:22:28]

juski:

all I think that does is write a $video-source-name.xmltv file in the ~/.mythtv/ dir

[19:22:50]

juski:

I could be wrong but I've never used zap2it so hey..

[19:23:07]

juski:

just making an educated guess :)

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stuarta:

1TB drives available??? blimey

[19:25:13]

juski:

yep

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juski:

250 of your Earth pounds

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stuarta:

+VAT

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juski:

also not available in PATA

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cyrexion:

juski: do you acquire your stations by scanning or importing a file (eg. channels.conf) ?

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juski:

cyrexion: scanning, and I made a script to import my cable channels

[19:26:45]

cyrexion:

what provider do you have?

[19:26:49]

a5benwillis:

so do you guys use ir blasters to control your STB?

[19:28:03]

sphery:

juski: How do you know how big the image should be? text-blank.png is 410x53 (which I'm pretty sure is too big). button-off.png is 210x206, whereas buttons are 150x100.

[19:28:08]

Zider:

I don't :P (since I don't jhave an STB)

[19:28:55]

juski:

sphery: it'd be best practise to have text-blank the same size as the text area IMHO

[19:29:27]

sphery:

Where's that size specified?

[19:29:33]

juski:

410 is way too wide I reckon

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** sphery knows nothing of themes... **

[19:29:52]

sphery:

(Which is why I put in that hack rather than a real fix... :)

[19:29:58]

juski:

text height = button area height / number of buttons .. ish

[19:30:05]

Fony_Vaio:

1tb drives are out? :|

[19:30:20]

juski:

sphery: it's prolly just way too wide

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juski:

sphery: try cutting it down to 210

[19:30:49]

juski:

and button-off-png is maybe too damn wide anyway

[19:30:54]

Fony_Vaio:

i hope that has a knock on effect for prices of drives below 1tb (ie. 500gb, 750gb).

[19:31:03]

juski:

screw it why don't we just can Minimalist-wide anyway? it sucks

[19:31:24]

Fony_Vaio:

is it difficult to make themes for myth?

[19:31:28]

juski:

Fony_Vaio: cheapest £/GB is 500 at the moment

[19:31:37]

Fony_Vaio:

do you use gimp?

[19:31:45]

juski:

Fony_Vaio: doesn't take much effort – it's blood sweat & tears you need plenty of

[19:31:48]

Fony_Vaio:

juski: yah, that's what i'm speccing out for use in my upcoming array

[19:32:01]

sphery:

Tried replacing button_off.png with a 150x100, but it causes long text strings (i.e. "Input Connections" in mythtv-setup) to get chopped on left and right.

[19:32:02]

Fony_Vaio:

juski: so you use gimp, or something else?

[19:32:05]

juski:

FFS. I wouldn't gamma correct a photo with GIMP

[19:32:23]

RyeBrye:

Anyone know where I can get info on rmvb playback?

[19:32:48]

** juski isn't telling what tools he uses to make themes for fear of reprisals **

[19:32:56]

Fony_Vaio:

lol

[19:32:58]

RyeBrye:

Photoshop?

[19:33:02]

juski:

but if there were linux tools as good I'd use em

[19:33:08]

Fony_Vaio:

heh

[19:33:28]

Fony_Vaio:

i'm not bad with photoshop (we use it at work)

[19:33:32]

mike3_:

how much pussy?

[19:33:34]

opello:

mspaint is hard to beat :p

[19:33:37]

Fony_Vaio:

i might have a go :D

[19:33:41]

juski:

I could prolly use inkscape for a lot of the things I do

[19:33:54]

anykey__:

juski: you already used pixel?

[19:33:55]

RyeBrye:

I just manually edit the image file in a hex editor

[19:33:57]

RyeBrye:

I'm that good

[19:33:58]

juski:

Fony_Vaio: I'll keep a sickbag at the ready then

[19:34:05]

mike3_:

pussy bags?

[19:34:16]

RyeBrye:

mike3_ wtf?

[19:34:19]

Fony_Vaio:

lol

[19:34:26]

mike3_:

pussy snatching? Whore licking. Skank eating cunt licking?

[19:34:32]

Fony_Vaio:

pmsl

[19:34:41]

Fony_Vaio:

wtf is wrong with you

[19:34:42]

juski:

Fony_Vaio: whatever you do, don't make it suck like leafers-wide

[19:34:58]

juski:

please. my eyes still have the burn-in

[19:35:00]

Fony_Vaio:

juski: that isn't in the theme package, is it?

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mike3_:

How do I record my pussy snatch show?

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** juski whispers to a +v to op this dude's snatch **

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a5benwillis:

Any of you guys use VMWare?

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juski:

all I've done since handing back my badge is regret handing it back

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RyeBrye:

I use vmware server a bit

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o stuarta

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Fony_Vaio:

juski: according to google some guy called justin is responsible for the leafers catastrophe? :-P

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sphery:

juski: OK. I have it using text-blank.png for where it used to. I have it using a 210x53 text-blank.png (instead of 410x53). I have it using a 210x206 button_off.png. The 210 makes sense for 1200 pixels / 6 buttons. But, I still get the same behavior.

[19:38:26]

sphery:

So, although those changes are probably correct, it seems the bug is elsewhere...

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** stuarta uses vmware quite a bit **

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stuarta:

methinks it's time for a cup of tea

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a5benwillis:

having lockup issues in vmware with guest os'

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juski:

Fony_Vaio: I was being kind. it really sucked. looks like he gave up anyway

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Fony_Vaio:

lol

[19:42:23]

Fony_Vaio:

seems he still hosts the theme on his webspace

[19:42:24]

gardengnome:

kindness++

[19:42:40]

cyrexion:

could someone recommend a good "mythtv for dummies" walkthrough. I admit I am new to this, but am interested enough to learn as much as I can about mythTV

[19:42:40]

juski:

point was he didn't seem to take the constructive parts on board, so to heck

[19:42:58]

Fony_Vaio:

heh

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sphery:

Though now I'm thinking that the 210 pixels may not be appropriate since sometimes we have 5 or 4 buttons...

[19:43:10]

** sphery thinks he should leave this to the experts... **

[19:43:22]

Fony_Vaio:

ah, can't find any decent guide to converting from xfs to jfs

[19:43:26]

juski:

sphery: I'll fix it. one way or the other!!!!!!! muhahahahahaha

[19:43:50]

stuarta:

Fony_Vaio: i'll give you the 2 minute guide

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stuarta:

backup, format, restore

[19:44:12]

juski:

Fony_Vaio: like you'd convert any partition properly. find some free space. copy the old data to the free space. flatten the old area & format it with the new filesystem. copy the data back

[19:44:19]

Fony_Vaio:

my favourite so far is ProjectGrayhem-wide

[19:44:22]

gardengnome:

stuarta: do you think you can spare a few minutes for me? i'd like to bug youagain about those apport backtraces

[19:44:30]

stuarta:

sure.

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juski:

Fony_Vaio: it's gonna change soon. think projectgrayhem but wide :)

[19:45:01]

Fony_Vaio:

juski: nice

[19:45:13]

juski:

sphery: no I meant the 'other way' as petitioning for its removal

[19:45:15]

j-rod:

Fony_Vaio: http://tzukanov.narod.ru/convertfs/

[19:45:47]

j-rod:

I've toyed with it a few times, going between ext3 and xfs

[19:45:51]

j-rod:

worked peachy every time

[19:45:57]

sphery:

juski: Right. I'm saying I don't mind if it's gone--now I can use other themes without them taking up 300+ MB RAM.

[19:46:05]

j-rod:

though I've not tried it w/as much data as I've got on my myth box

[19:46:14]

gbee:

need a legit US zip code to test mythmovies, can anyone help?

[19:46:19]

juski:

sphery: blootube-wide will be getting a makeover soon

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j-rod:

gbee: 01879

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juski:

gbee: 90210

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j-rod:

hahahahaha

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gbee:

juski: very good ;)

[19:46:44]

juski:

luke perry <3

[19:46:50]

juski:

</joke>

[19:46:51]

anykey__:

what is mythmovies?

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j-rod:

damn near anything w/5 digits will probably work

[19:47:02]

sphery:

movie listings at nearby theaters

[19:47:05]

j-rod:

but 90210 was a good call

[19:47:09]

anykey__:

ah

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Fony_Vaio:

j-rod: ok, i might give it a go

[19:47:34]

gbee:

cool – it's not limited to the US, can use any script

[19:47:37]

juski:

so er.. could mythmovies be modified to use an external script / config file so we could adapt it?

[19:47:40]

sphery:

gbee: Does it still download listings once/day--even though most will use it at most once/week or less?

[19:47:58]

juski:

gbee: heheh. duh

[19:48:04]

gbee:

sphery: I'll let you know when I've looked it over thoroughly

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j-rod:

Fony_Vaio: its really quite ingenious how it works. takes forever, but does work.

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Teoz:

How do I tell MythTv to change the resolution of my nVidia`s output (it`s going throught S-video)?

[19:49:20]

Fony_Vaio:

j-rod: 'forever' doesn't sound like my kinda thing, there's a coupla hundred gig free on my main myth fe, so i might dump the servers /home there and re-create it.

[19:49:38]

gbee:

juski: needs some theme work, bits of it don't seem to line up correctly (at least with a widescreen res)

[19:49:47]

Fony_Vaio:

NFS is the fastest network transfer isn't it?

[19:49:51]

sphery:

gbee: No big deal. It just seems very wasteful to me.

[19:49:58]

j-rod:

Fony_Vaio: 'forever' is of course dependent on the speed of the disk, the amount of data that has to be moved, etc...

[19:50:15]

RyeBrye:

Teoz – you change the resolution of the output in nvidia-settings

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gbee:

but the default script seems to work

[19:50:16]

Fony_Vaio:

/dev/sda3 129G 23G 106G 18% /home

[19:50:17]

RyeBrye:

not in mythtv

[19:50:25]

j-rod:

it has to copy every piece of data from the disk to a sparse image, then remap the sparse image atop the physical block device

[19:50:48]

gbee:

there is a blank space to the right of the listings which seems like it was intended for movie posters, but isn't currently used

[19:50:49]

j-rod:

so tons of read/write on the same partition

[19:50:58]

Teoz:

RyeBrye – if that is a config file, where is it?

[19:51:10]

Teoz:

RyeBrye – I've trouble with the Fluxbox interface

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juski:

gbee: no problem. I'm off work a fair bit soon :)

[19:51:21]

gbee:

anyway, seems like it works well enough to be committed to svn, any minor problems can be more easily fixed once it's there

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quink:

hello

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juski:

eh? why isn't the clock coming up in Retro? arghh

[19:52:10]

quink:

is there any reason why some videos, using the internal player, won't fast forward?

[19:52:28]

sphery:

Teoz: it's an application that's provided with the NVIDIA proprietary display drivers

[19:52:51]

sphery:

juski: Maybe they hadn't invented clocks back then.

[19:52:56]

juski:

ahhh FECK. /home/juski/myththemes wouldn't be the right dir now would it

[19:53:00]

juski:

buhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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sphery:

Did you try the analog setting?

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Teoz:

sphery – can it still be on their site or hosted somewhere since I seriosuly don't have the original cd anymore?

[19:53:52]

sphery:

Teoz: It gets installed with the drivers.

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sphery:

try: which nvidia-settings

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Teoz:

eehe

[19:55:05]

Teoz:

spery – in bash, it answers usr/bin/nvidia-settings

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sphery:

so, as root, run that app

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** sphery guesses you have to be root **

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sphery:

I don't use nvidia-settings

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Teoz:

sphery – going towards doing that

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Teoz:

sphery – what do you use?

[19:56:01]

sphery:

vi

[19:56:03]

sphery:

:)

[19:56:07]

Teoz:

sphery – not a cathode tube ray tv?

[19:56:17]

sphery:

But I spent too much time reading the NVIDIA README.

[19:56:41]

sphery:

No more. I used to. I've always just edited my X config file directly.

[19:56:51]

sphery:

But I don't recommend that approach.

[19:57:00]

RyeBrye:

./nvidia-settings

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sphery:

I'm just too old to learn a new way of doing something I already know how to do.

[19:57:12]

RyeBrye:

are you suer you have the binary drivers installed?

[19:57:22]

RyeBrye:

if not, then you have to install them and then you can tweak the settings quite easily

[19:57:34]

RyeBrye:

(easy way to tell -when you boot, do you see a big Nvidia logo?)

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Teoz:

RyeBrye – I ran nvidia-settings and it half-worked, giving me a windows whose title is Nvidia X server settings

[20:05:13]

Teoz:

However, bash also spouted 3 errors after the execution: NV-Control extension not found, Unable to determine number of Nvidia GPU and Unable to determine number of Nvidia Frame Lock Devices

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RyeBrye:

hm

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RyeBrye:

I don't know what the problem is, I've never had to troubleshoot nvidia-settings since it's always worked for me

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Teoz:

well, I so feel like going out and buying a non-retarded 40-years old technology interlaced crap TV

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RyeBrye:

are you outputting to hdtv?

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Teoz:

Nope, 480i

[20:12:35]

Teoz:

wait wtf! I just realised something! when I boot my pc and the said 480i tv is plugged in with S-Video, the tv displays the boot information (BIOS analysis and reports that you get at the beginning)

[20:12:54]

Teoz:

that means that the card automatically sends interlaced info down the s-video cable?

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RyeBrye:

Yeah

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Teoz:

which means...eh...

[20:15:30]

Teoz:

that Mythtv tells the video card to stop sending the signal I want it to send

[20:16:46]

RyeBrye:

no, it means X does that

[20:16:50]

RyeBrye:

MythTV doesn't tell your card shit

[20:17:32]

RyeBrye:

do you see your window manager on the TV when you boot?

[20:17:45]

RyeBrye:

Try just disconnecting your monitor and only using your Svideo and see if it works

[20:18:00]

RyeBrye:

I don't use a monitor at all on my box, and it just works fine out svideo

[20:18:07]

Teoz:

it's connected exclusively s-video (im on my laptop for irc)

[20:18:08]

RyeBrye:

(disconnecting monitor before boot that is)

[20:18:55]

RyeBrye:

Hmm

[20:18:59]

Teoz:

i mean

[20:19:00]

Teoz:

wait

[20:19:04]

Teoz:

in the process off

[20:19:36]

Teoz:

it MAY be workin

[20:19:44]

Teoz:

could it be! could it be ! !

[20:19:50]

Teoz:

nooooooooooooooo

[20:19:57]

RyeBrye:

That sucks :/

[20:20:09]

Teoz:

it loads the MythTv splash screen but then goes kapout!!

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Teoz:

aaagh

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Teoz:

so if X is responsable for this crap, the only way to tell it to send the right signal was nvidia-settings?

[20:22:55]

RyeBrye:

well... no

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RyeBrye:

I thought it was all video – not jus tmyth

[20:23:31]

RyeBrye:

run mythfrontend from commandline and use the --geometry=640x480 flag to make it smaller

[20:24:13]

RyeBrye:

that might work

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RyeBrye:

have you ever had mythfrontend working on that machine?

[20:24:31]

RyeBrye:

have you run mythtv-setup?

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Teoz:

well, it came pre-installed with KnoppMyth

[20:28:13]

Teoz:

but I've ran some basic sutop here and there

[20:28:18]

RyeBrye:

oh

[20:28:22]

Teoz:

nothing very important though

[20:28:48]

RyeBrye:

but you opened the mythtv-setup program, right?

[20:28:56]

RyeBrye:

that's where you set up the capture cards... etc

[20:28:59]

Teoz:

I've been able to resize the sceen to 640 and the TV still has a weird scrambled moving image

[20:29:03]

RyeBrye:

hmm

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gardengnome:

yay for skilled knoppmyth users

[20:29:43]

Teoz:

I'm pretty sure that the problem is the fact that my TV wants interlaced food and it's getting progerssive

[20:30:06]

Teoz:

gardengnome, I am skilled, not just yet though

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RyeBrye:

Did you download and install nvidia binary drivers?

[20:30:38]

RyeBrye:

do you see an Nvidia logo when you boot?

[20:30:54]

Teoz:

no and no

[20:31:02]

Teoz:

It's a pretty old card

[20:31:06]

RyeBrye:

What card?

[20:31:16]

Teoz:

I thought have through the Knoppix part of Knoppmyth would have it

[20:31:25]

Teoz:

something like geforce mmx

[20:31:33]

Teoz:

dates back to 2002 tops

[20:31:44]

RyeBrye:

I don't think it would, since binary drivers aren't distributed in anything 'caues of copyright issues... etc

[20:32:34]

RyeBrye:

I found Knoppmyth to be a major PITA – and had much easier time just getting MythTV up and running on Fedora

[20:32:51]

RyeBrye:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php

[20:33:18]

RyeBrye:

You could even do MythDora http://www.mythdora.com/

[20:33:38]

Teoz:

hmm

[20:33:43]

Teoz:

wont the same problem come back?

[20:33:52]

Anduin:

stop using logic

[20:34:29]

RyeBrye:

No, because you wuoldn't be using a distro made to be run off of a CD and you would be able to load your graphics card drivers in yourself

[20:34:39]

RyeBrye:

although MythDora appears to have the binary nvidia drivers in it already

[20:35:28]

Teoz:

well, I did install KnoppMyth on the hd

[20:35:36]

Teoz:

well, I could try Dora

[20:36:50]

gpd:

what do we think of TVWish? Does it work well with myth 0.2? Seems like a good idea

[20:37:54]

RyeBrye:

Dora would be better, it's based on a more recent and more actively developed distribution

[20:38:00]

cesman:

0.2?

[20:38:06]

RyeBrye:

or 0.20?

[20:38:11]

sphery:

Teoz: Depending on your card, you'll probably need to install the legacy NVIDIA drivers (or the "new" legacy drivers) since NVIDIA leaves users of old cards no options but to buy new cards or use old drivers. So, it's important to find out what card you're using.

[20:38:39]

Teoz:

all righty

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cesman:

RyeBrye: what was so painfull about KnoppMyth?

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gbee:

RyeBrye: all depends on your level of experience and personality. I'd rather install mythtv from source on my chosen distribution than use a pre-packaged version but that's because I get to use the distro I know and love, all the tools I want are where I want them and because I've done the installation I understand what is happening if something doesn't work

[20:40:41]

Teoz:

sphery, where would I get these legacy or new legacy drivers? could it be as simple as nVidia main site?

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sphery:

Teoz: Yep.

[20:41:50]

Teoz:

gbee – in constrast with me :D

[20:42:16]

sphery:

Teoz: Although your package manager may make them available for you...

[20:43:37]

cesman:

I guess he doesn't want to provide feedback

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Teoz:

okay soooo I dld the drivers, load them into the KnoppMyth machine and I`ll speak here a litle later :P

[20:48:09]

cesman:

Teoz: what issue are you having?

[20:48:43]

cesman:

When starting up, there is a script that runs on KnoppMyth

[20:48:53]

cesman:

it determines what nvidia card you have

[20:49:02]

Teoz:

cesman: well, I installed KnoppMyth on my HD, works fine (so it seems on a monitor) but when I hook up my video card with an s-video to my CRT TV, the images doesn't work at all

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cesman:

legacy or latest and it automatically installs the appropriate driver

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cyrexion:

does anyone know how to record HD content from a Dish Network VIP 211 STB into a MythTV box ?

[20:49:47]

cesman:

depending on the nvidia card you have, you must reconfigure X and tell the module to use tv out

[20:50:02]

cesman:

there is also a sample tv out in /et c/X11

[20:50:07]

cesman:

did you try that?

[20:50:20]

RyeBrye:

cyrexion – afaik, it's not possible

[20:51:30]

Teoz:

cesman, I'll go get the drivers first, just in case

[20:51:35]

sphery:

cyrexion: S-Video or Composite output to an analog recorder (like a Hauppauge PVR-150) and use an IR transmitter or IR blaster to control the STB.

[20:51:38]

cyrexion:

RyeBrye: how about an antenna to pick up OTA HD Content? When I scan for channels, MythTV times out on all of them

[20:51:39]

Teoz:

then I'll come back asking more naive questions

[20:52:10]

Teoz:

sphery: its svideo and composite non-HD?

[20:52:11]

cyrexion:

yet my HDTV picks them up just fine

[20:52:28]

cesman:

Teoz: why are you going to get the drivers?

[20:52:32]

Teoz:

isn't*

[20:52:42]

cesman:

I'm telling you what should happen

[20:52:48]

sphery:

right, but that's the only way to record the high-def content--output as SDTV and record.

[20:52:57]

Teoz:

cesman – because MythTv might need them to work with my card properly?

[20:52:59]

RyeBrye:

cyrexion – you need somthing to record the HD signals... something to capture the composite out or something

[20:53:17]

cesman:

why?

[20:53:25]

cesman:

the card works on your monitor

[20:53:41]

sphery:

Teoz: `You're better off listening to cesman than to me--I haven't used KnoppMyth.

[20:53:46]

cyrexion:

RyeBrye: what sends higher quality video for capturing, composite or s-video?

[20:53:47]

Teoz:

cesman, yeah but it could be that it's using a generic driver

[20:54:07]

cesman:

Teoz: do you want me assistance?

[20:54:09]

Teoz:

maybe something not articulated enough for a 480i output

[20:54:12]

RyeBrye:

cyrexion – svideo

[20:54:32]

sphery:

cyrexion: S-Video, but it's still very low quality compared to even digital SDTV.

[20:55:09]

Teoz:

cesman: well, your assistance would be cool :), I'll brb, gonna grab the drivers

[20:55:33]

Teoz:

sphery, RyeBrye, thanks for your help

[20:55:44]

cesman:

then why aren't you listeing

[20:55:58]

cesman:

I'm trying to prevent you from doing needless work

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Daviey:

juski: ping

[20:56:22]

juski:

pong!

[20:56:29]

Teoz:

cesman: okay :)

[20:56:34]

Daviey:

juski: pm?

[20:56:42]

juski:

Daviey: sure

[20:56:46]

quink:

is there anything special i need to do to make mythvideo work with xvmc?

[20:56:49]

RyeBrye:

Teoz – yeah, Cesman probably knows more about knopmyth

[20:56:59]

RyeBrye:

mythvideo uses mplayer, right?

[20:57:10]

quink:

using 'internal'

[20:57:15]

RyeBrye:

oh, yeah

[20:57:16]

cyrexion:

thanks guys. is there a way to go back to setting up inputs / sources in the KnoppMyth setup once I have already made it to the menu where it gives options to "Watch Live TV", "Media Library", etc ?

[20:57:21]

cesman:

you configure MythVideo and have it use what you want

[20:57:23]

quink:

i recompiled with xvmc enabled and basically followed the wiki

[20:57:29]

sphery:

quink: The video has to be using a CODEC for which your driver has implemented XvMC support.

[20:57:36]

cesman:

Teoz: what is the issue you are having w/ tv out?

[20:57:37]

sphery:

Generally, that means MPEG-2.

[20:57:42]

quink:

sphery: ah.

[20:58:12]

sphery:

quink: You're better off not using XvMC if you don't need it, though.

[20:58:39]

sphery:

(IMHO, if you need it, you're better off upgrading your mythfrontend box...)

[20:58:50]

quink:

reason i'm trying is i get some stuttering on hi-def movies

[20:59:02]

sphery:

what proc?

[20:59:08]

quink:

a64 3000+

[20:59:19]

stuarta:

not really surprising that. cesman makes knoppmyth

[20:59:34]

quink:

right now, i'm not sure how to tell if xvmc is being used or not, but its hovering 45–65% cpu usage

[20:59:47]

sphery:

Hmmm. Don't know how well that should do. Mine's an X2 4800+ and works well--though I can only get to about 1.35x timestretch.

[21:00:06]

quink:

and i need to figure out why some videos will let me skip forward and others won't.

[21:00:30]

quink:

2007-06–05 13:54:39.819 AFD Error: av_seek_frame(ic, -1, 131831700, 0) — error

[21:00:31]

Teoz:

cesman: okay, the screen flicjers

[21:01:18]

Teoz:

cesman: I've tried VGA and S-video output at the same time, monitor works, Tv not. I've tried S-video only, Tv still flickers

[21:01:40]

sphery:

quink: At that CPU usage (and as long as it's not hitting 100%), it's most likely an I/O issue.

[21:01:53]

quink:

sphery: i dunno. drives are new and speedy.

[21:01:56]

sphery:

Are the movies shared via NFS/CIFS/something?

[21:02:04]

quink:

nope local hdd

[21:02:09]

sphery:

What CODEC?

[21:02:19]

quink:

um. not sure its in a mkv container. let me look

[21:02:36]

cesman:

Teoz: so you are attempting a twinview setup w/ nvidia

[21:03:32]

Teoz:

cesman. well... I Was at some point. someone suggested it wouln't work that way so I unplugged the monitor after restarting the computer

[21:03:40]

quink:

ah. i might re-encode it to something else.

[21:03:58]

quink:

sphery: what player do you use? I used to use xine, but when i upgraded to .20 i used internal for reasons that escape me.

[21:04:17]

Teoz:

cesman: however, when it boots, TV shows a normal BIOS image and so on, but once it gets passed the Knoppmyth splash screen, it starts flickering around

[21:04:28]

sphery:

quink: And, if it's MPEG-2, the seeking issues may be related to the lack of a seektable (which is hard to create for MPEG-2 videos (non-recordings) with the current state of mythcommflag/mythtranscode).

[21:04:29]

Teoz:

cesman, I've got other video cards laying around

[21:04:53]

quink:

thats really the only thing tha annoys me about internal. you can't seek on all files.

[21:05:10]

cesman:

Teoz: are you using the sample nvidia tv out xorg.conf?

[21:05:33]

sphery:

quink: I use xine when not using the Internal player. The upgrade to 0.20 changed the default to use Internal (to get more feedback for bug fixing) for any formats that Internal supported.

[21:05:39]

quink:

hm. gspot doesn't tell me much about the video other then its matroska

[21:05:44]

cesman:

Teoz: or have you specified the appropriate freq in your xorg,cinf?

[21:05:51]

Teoz:

cesman, I'm not sure what I'm using ,the be honest

[21:05:55]

sphery:

quink: However, you can change the default by using MythVideo settings.

[21:05:59]

Teoz:

cesman, you mean refresh rate?

[21:06:24]

quink:

sphery: yeah. i might go back to xine. But i did like the consistent look between internal and the rest of mythtv.

[21:06:39]

quink:

plus i'll have to make surround sound work with xine now

[21:06:46]

cesman:

Teoz: yes

[21:06:56]

sphery:

quink: Probably the quickest solution is to set the "mkv" extension to use xine (for now, at least). Transcoding (or at least re-containering :) is also an option.

[21:07:12]

quink:

http://www.mininova.org/tor/608740 thats it

[21:07:23]

quink:

SOURCE TYPE.....: Blu-Ray 1080p ViDEO BiTRATE...: X264 @ 4520Kbps

[21:07:56]

sphery:

That should be MPEG-4 AVC a.k.a. H-264.

[21:08:16]

Teoz:

cesman,I've tried the lowest I was offered 640 x 480 @ 63

[21:08:33]

quink:

well i'm going to uncompile XvMC and see how things change. i don't think its 'working' right

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quink:

is there a way to monitor hdd usage in linux?

[21:09:47]

cyrexion:

df

[21:10:07]

Teoz:

cesman, just infirm or confirm.. does the s-video output automatically get a INTERLACED signal to the tv???

[21:10:16]

sphery:

quink: With H.264, you're likely to need a very new version of ffmpeg's libs to play on a 3000+ (and that's assuming it's 1920x817. 1920x1080 might not be playable.) The 0.20 version of MythTV doesn't have new enough ffmpeg libs to give the performance you need.

[21:10:58]

sphery:

quink: But, You should be seeing much more than 40–60% CPU. Was that just mythfrontend's usage? If so, I'm guessing that X + mythfrontend are hitting 100%.

[21:11:15]

RyeBrye:

quink – you have a card with xvmc support, right? If you try to use Xvmc with ati you will get nothing, since no ati binaries support it

[21:11:52]

RyeBrye:

quink – what is your load average? that would help you determine if you are hitting 100% or not

[21:12:29]

juski:

Teoz: it's interlaced as in it'll conform to PAL or NTSC standards, but what you get on the TV depends on what mode you run X in, truth be told. chances are you will either have to deinterlace or turn the nvidia flicker filter on (to approx half full) in nvidia-settings

[21:13:03]

sphery:

juski typed 2 lines as fast as I typed 1...

[21:13:30]

** juski has his sexytary on the case **

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quink:

yeah that was just mythfrontend

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sphery:

Oh. So, ignore the I/O comment I made above. It's almost definitely CPU...

[21:14:11]

quink:

i didn't hit 100% cpu usage at all

[21:14:30]

quink:

well i'll test it once the compiles are finished and see whats going on.

[21:14:41]

sphery:

gl

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RyeBrye:

quink – are you using ccache?

[21:14:54]

sphery:

ccache rocks!

[21:15:03]

RyeBrye:

that will probably save time if you are rebuilding and changing settings like xvmc stuff

[21:15:16]

RyeBrye:

'cause only a few files will change, but it will want to recompile lots of them

[21:15:22]

RyeBrye:

yeah, Ccache saved my marriage

[21:15:22]

quink:

ccache?

[21:15:30]

RyeBrye:

(well, not really, but it sounds good to say that)

[21:15:35]

sphery:

"compiler cache"

[21:15:36]

quink:

only takes like 20 minutes to recompile.

[21:15:40]

RyeBrye:

ccache – yeah – it's simple – just yum install ccache

[21:15:41]

juski:

RyeBrye: yeah but last night a DJ shaved your wife

[21:15:45]

RyeBrye:

Oooh

[21:15:51]

RyeBrye:

:(

[21:15:55]

** RyeBrye goes to find the DJ **

[21:16:22]

RyeBrye:

if you have ccache installed, when you run the ./configure it will use it

[21:16:30]

RyeBrye:

it might cut your compile time down from 20 mins to 3 mins

[21:16:52]

RyeBrye:

the biggest benefit is that it makes doing a make distclean take just slightly longer than a normal make

[21:17:35]

quink:

is there much setup for ccache?

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RyeBrye:

none at all

[21:17:46]

RyeBrye:

you just install it

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sphery:

Which means you never post one of those embarrassing "changeset XXXXX breaks the build" messages that gets followed by a "You did do a make distclean, right?" message...

[21:17:54]

RyeBrye:

You can PROBABLY do some setup stuf

[21:18:02]

RyeBrye:

and tell it where to store the caches and how much space and stuff

[21:18:11]

RyeBrye:

but the default setup works just fine in my experience

[21:19:05]

RyeBrye:

and if you want to get REALLY crazy and have multiple machines around, you can use an nfs mounted ccache and distcc – and then distribute compiling across a bunch of machines and have them all hit the same ccaches

[21:19:20]

RyeBrye:

but that's a bit nuts

[21:19:30]

RyeBrye:

that's better in a team build environment

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quink:

fuck that

[21:20:05]

quink:

ah. gentoo has a little bit of setup nothing hard at all

[21:20:13]

RyeBrye:

Oh, you are in Gentoo?

[21:20:16]

quink:

yeah.

[21:20:23]

quink:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Use_ccache

[21:20:37]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, ccache might save you lots more time then :) but you should probably be careful how you configure it since you compile so much stuff

[21:20:52]

quink:

yep

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quink:

i need to get some tmp cleaner too

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Lin:

hi all!!

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Teoz:

hi Lin

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RyeBrye:

My cache is only 97 megs, and I've only build mythtv stuff with mine

[21:22:53]

RyeBrye:

so it doesn't take that much space

[21:23:23]

RyeBrye:

I've only built a few revisions, but I've got 2502 files in cache, and I've had 3502 cache hits and only 1201 cache misses

[21:23:36]

Lin:

anyone can recommend a good capture card that dont lose frames or a/v sync? (and linux friendly)

[21:23:53]

RyeBrye:

Hauppage PVR-150 or PVR-500

[21:24:00]

RyeBrye:

It's hardward encoding

[21:24:09]

RyeBrye:

so it is extremely unlikely it will drop frames or anything

[21:24:16]

RyeBrye:

the 150 is one tuner, the 500 is dual tuner

[21:24:28]

Anduin:

97 megs seems like it isn't working

[21:24:30]

RyeBrye:

and they are very widely used by mythtv users (which means you can get lots of support using them)

[21:24:33]

RyeBrye:

Yeha, I would think so too

[21:24:39]

RyeBrye:

but it's not 0

[21:24:49]

** RyeBrye goes to check more baout his ccache **

[21:25:00]

Lin:

RyeBrye: is this linux friendly?

[21:25:02]

RyeBrye:

Yeah

[21:25:12]

RyeBrye:

Lin – it's as linux friendly as a penguin in heat

[21:25:29]

sphery:

RyeBrye: Mine is 900MB and I've only compiled mythtv and mythplugins with it...

[21:25:33]

RyeBrye:

Hmmm

[21:25:37]

** RyeBrye scratches head **

[21:25:48]

RyeBrye:

How many files are in your cache?

[21:25:54]

sphery:

Perhaps your distro puts your cache (or part of it) elsewhere...

[21:26:06]

RyeBrye:

Maybe... I'm in fedora

[21:26:18]

Lin:

RyeBrye: it supports composite?

[21:26:32]

sphery:

using find with "-type f" I get 6385

[21:26:36]

RyeBrye:

Lin – playing video games on a capture card might not work the best... I've never tried it

[21:26:51]

RyeBrye:

Oh, i'm just using `ccache -s`

[21:26:55]

RyeBrye:

and having it tell me its stats

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Lin:

RyeBrye: even watching tv isn't good on a pctv card

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sphery:

RyeBrye: It's only 700MB on my 32-bit machine.

[21:27:29]

Lin:

RyeBrye: thank you

[21:27:31]

RyeBrye:

Lin – watching TV is good, and the PVR 500 and 150 both have composite / svideo input

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RyeBrye:

Strange. I wonder why mine is so low

[21:30:06]

sphery:

RyeBrye: http://pastebin.ca/542566

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juski:

sphery: I got it! the button images all have offsets of 25,-100 which puts them outside the button area. muh

[21:30:41]

sphery:

juski: I would never have figured that out...

[21:30:49]

Lin:

RyeBrye: do you know anything about those usb capture devices? they are worthy? they have good frame rates?

[21:30:55]

juski:

I think I can fix it by offsetting the text & moving the buttons up some

[21:31:29]

sphery:

juski: We should probably reverse the patch from #700, too... It wasn't right, then, but it hid a problem which has since been fixed by the conversion to mythui.

[21:31:31]

Teoz:

cesman, still there?

[21:31:48]

RyeBrye:

Lin – I haven't ever used the capture devices

[21:31:54]

RyeBrye:

Lin – er... the USB ones

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sphery:

juski: If you really want to practice your SVN, you can try using svn merge to reverse [8559]. (It reverses cleanly, so it's just a matter of getting the right command. :)

[21:34:55]

Lin:

damn I cannot find hauppage cards selling in brazil, just encore, pinnacle, pixelview and ads. Can you recommend which one has better framerates?

[21:35:20]

RyeBrye:

I think my ccache is small because I've only been using it for a week or so

[21:35:31]

juski:

sphery: I don't have commit access yet so hold yer hosses

[21:35:51]

RyeBrye:

Lin – can you have one shipped there?

[21:35:57]

stuarta:

juski: you can do that locally

[21:36:09]

stuarta:

it requires a commit to become permanent

[21:36:09]

sphery:

juski: Oh. Thought the "already, xris" comment was your surprise for how quickly he set it up.

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Teoz:

juski, earlier, you mentioned the nvidia flicker filter that can be turned to half full to get an image on cathode tvs. Once I change that setting, will knoppmyth remember it (since I have to reboot to get the s-video workin)

[21:36:34]

Lin:

RyeBrye: damn hard.. and high taxe. IMHO i don't like pinnacle linux support.

[21:36:38]

RyeBrye:

Lin – http://www.preciomania.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=6726821//

[21:36:38]

stuarta:

hehe, my ccache is 860Mb

[21:36:56]

gardengnome:

juski: http://laga.ath.cx/mythweb-debconf.jpg

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Lin:

RyeBrye: those sites just work as bots.. they load international prices and convert to local currency.. isn't a real store. ;-)

[21:37:27]

juski:

sphery: fixed it!

[21:37:44]

Lin:

RyeBrye: just price research.

[21:37:51]

RyeBrye:

oh

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juski:

maybe I'll just tar up the whole theme dir & attach it to a ticket

[21:38:15]

juski:

or will I need to.. hmm

[21:38:26]

juski:

I'll see what I've actually changed

[21:38:36]

RyeBrye:

No ebay.br?

[21:38:37]

RyeBrye:

that sucks

[21:38:37]

Daviey:

>100Mb attachment woo

[21:38:43]

Lin:

but I will do a deeper research..

[21:38:51]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, I don't know anything about those other cards.

[21:38:53]

RyeBrye:

sorry :(

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** sphery wonders if juski's first commit will be his reversing one of sphery's old patches... **

[21:39:14]

Lin:

there is mercadolivre.com.br but they dont sell products with a fair price..

[21:39:28]

Lin:

RyeBrye: thank you for your help. I will look for a hauppage..

[21:39:43]

juski:

sphery: it's all in the theme.xml :)

[21:39:43]

RyeBrye:

Lin – make sure it is a PVR-150 or PVR-500

[21:39:51]

RyeBrye:

Those are the best

[21:40:01]

RyeBrye:

PVR-350 works well too from what I hear

[21:40:10]

Lin:

RyeBrye: what is the difference beetween mce and not mce?

[21:40:17]

juski:

Daviey: enough whining about my tarball sizes or I'll cut yer ubuntus off

[21:40:21]

juski:

:-P

[21:40:22]

Teoz:

would installing drivers for my nvidia card fix anything ? I even tried an Ati card and still the same problem

[21:40:33]

RyeBrye:

Lin – don't know. I think one might come with a remote control or something... or maybe software for windows

[21:40:46]

sphery:

juski: Thanks for fixing it. I don't feel so bad for not doing it right, anymore, now that it's getting fixed correctly. :)

[21:41:06]

juski:

sphery: it bugged me for ages. now it's fixx0r3d

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jarle:

as #linuxtv seems a bit dead at the moment I'll give it a go here: What is the status of the Nova DVB-S2 card, is it supported or not? Can not find any info in linuxtv.org

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juski:

jarle: not even on their very busy mailing lists?

[22:03:36]

jarle:

juski: I was hoping to get instant feedback on irc haven't looked into their mailinglist yet...

[22:03:56]

juski:

what is it with IRC & instant gratification anyway?

[22:05:46]

juski:

ah shite

[22:07:24]

juski:

heh. oops

[22:08:26]

Dopy:

i have a ripped iso in myth, how can i get it to play "full screen" – there are bars around top & bottom of movie

[22:11:31]

Pryon:

Dopy: What is the resolution of your screen? What is the shape of the pixels? What is the resolution of the video?

[22:12:01]

Pryon:

Aspect ratio. Learn it. Live it. Love it.

[22:13:28]

Dopy:

1920x1080

[22:13:37]

Dopy:

tried 16x9 and auto

[22:14:03]

Dopy:

61" sony xbr2 lcd projection with DVI->HDMI

[22:14:05]

opello:

Pryon: don't forget orientation, you could have vertical or horizontal rectangles!

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juski:

jarle: FYI: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight=

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Dopy:

there are bars on the screen with 4x3 movies and 16x9 movies.... ISO ripped or transcoded

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Dopy:

any ideas

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Dopy:

if my tv is 1080P what should i set mytv to? im using DVI->HDMI

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Dopy:

anyone know

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Pryon:

Dopy: Have you tried hitting 'w' during playback to see if nice things happen?

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Dopy:

i'll try

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Dopy:

that works

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Dopy:

can i default it to a setting

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GreyFoxx:

Yes, there is adefault Aspect ratio in the frontend settings somewhere

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Pryon:

setup->tv->playback or similar. "Aspect override"

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Dopy:

hmm

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Pryon:

But I don't know if you'll want to do that because you won't always be playing 16:9 stuff.

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Dopy:

mostly all my dvds are 16x9

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Pryon:

Life is full of choices :-)

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Dopy:

the W key doesnt work on transcoded movies??

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Dopy:

is the W key for mplayer mapped to a key on the hauppauge remote?

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xris:

Dopy: you're the one who has to do the mapping to a remote.

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doc|work:

if I'm watching a channel via ivtv using mplayer and have something scheduled to start recording, will mythtv record?

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xris:

Dopy: you could always just use the Internal player.

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GreyFoxx:

doc|work: No

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doc|work:

GreyFoxx: ok, thanks

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Dopy:

is it any good

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GreyFoxx:

Dopy: I use it for everything, including DVD's

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GreyFoxx:

same ccontrols and OSD for everything that way

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Dopy:

how do i turn it on

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GreyFoxx:

go into the frontend settings, under video settings, change the player to "Internal"

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Teoz:

Which struggle is more worth-while. Getting an ATI to work on my tv screen or getting a nVidia to work on my tv screen?

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GreyFoxx:

the nvidia is usually dead simple

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Dopy:

there is settings for dvds and videos

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GreyFoxx:

whereas most seem to have problems with the poor tATI drivers

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GreyFoxx:

Dopy: You can set the player independantly for each

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Dopy:

all i see is in the player settings

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Teoz:

I came here a couple of hours ago and some cool people tried to help with half-success due to unknosn causes. I have a Geforce2 mmx and it display fine on my monitor. However, when I plug it on my 480i TV through S-video, it only works very well up until the KnoppMyth splash screen

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Dopy:

it says default player: xine -pfhq....etc

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Teoz:

I reinstalled KnoppMyth and am trying again if anyone has any ideas..

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Dopy:

i went into file types and changed avi to internal

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GreyFoxx:

Dopy: All you had to do was change the default player to "Internal"

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GreyFoxx:

uhhhhh you just said that you saw it... "xine -pfhq etc etc"

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Dopy:

do i erase that line

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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Dopy:

k

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Dopy:

u can also change it file types :)

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Dopy:

just change it to Internal works

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Dopy:

solved most of my probs.. just need to map a W key to the remote

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quink:

gah. wtf. i compiled mythtv this morning with no problems when i compile it now it doesn't work.

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Aquahallic:

hmmmmm... anyone know why an avi file would kickout a mess of giberish in mythfrontend logs??.....http://www.pastebin.ca/542878

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Anduin:

Aquahallic: You are using > to log, that is mplayer output

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Aquahallic:

hmmm.. I have mythtv just set to internal

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Aquahallic:

does it set that by default??

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Anduin:

Internal, case counts

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Aquahallic:

where would I turn that off??

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Anduin:

Just configure things correctly

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Aquahallic:

well I have internal set for the player... where can I edit what commandline it uses??

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Anduin:

Aquahallic: do you have internal or Internal? If the latter make sure that the default player is set to be used (in the file types section)

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Aquahallic:

hmmmm... k... ty

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Aquahallic:

next question... what causes this prebuffer pause??

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a5benwillis:

evening people

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a5benwillis:

anyone know why my PPV chans wouldnt show up in my guide?

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a5benwillis:

They show up in my channel list via mythweb but not in the guide?

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Anduin:

a5benwillis: other channels in the same lineup show?

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a5benwillis:

yes

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a5benwillis:

just not these 30 or so

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a5benwillis:

and theyre marked 'visible' in mythweb

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