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Friday, June 1st, 2007, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:05] Dagmar: Hey, does anyone know how to make knoppmyth grab a newer binary that doesn't say, have a million stale bugs in it?
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[00:01:56] Dagmar: Ah there he is
[00:01:57] Dagmar: Heh
[00:02:03] someninjamaster: program guide is ok now
[00:02:19] someninjamaster: when i go to watch tv it crashes
[00:02:20] Dagmar: Erk my mistake... watching Live TV
[00:02:23] someninjamaster: this is a new install
[00:02:26] Dagmar: You did install the binary nVidia driver, yes?
[00:02:39] someninjamaster: which ever one comes on it
[00:02:45] Dagmar: Ahh...
[00:02:54] Dagmar: Let's take a whack at getting a newer one possibly then
[00:03:04] someninjamaster: i had to change the xorg.conf from nvidia to nv
[00:03:19] xris: someninjamaster: then you definitely don't have the nvidia binary driver.
[00:03:23] xris: you'll want that for tv-out
[00:03:30] someninjamaster: well im going out vga
[00:03:55] Dagmar: What do you get from ls -al /usr/lib/libGL.so*?
[00:04:08] Dagmar: HOPEFULLY it'll be libGL.so.1.0.9755
[00:05:01] Dagmar: I hate trying to guess what version KNoppmyth is shipping out
[00:06:04] someninjamaster: 1.0.7184
[00:06:09] Dagmar: Yikes
[00:06:16] Dagmar: WHich video card did you put in that machine?
[00:07:52] Dagmar: Unless it's a really ancient one, let's try upgrading to http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . 755-pkg1.run
[00:08:10] someninjamaster: a 6100 series
[00:08:17] someninjamaster: onboard
[00:08:23] Dagmar: Oh yes. You almost assuredly want the newer driver then
[00:08:31] Dagmar: That might be what's tanking things all by itsel
[00:10:57] Pogonip: xris; Sorry had to step away. I want to know how the command is translated?
[00:11:08] Fony_Vaio: having problems finding channels. Sig Strength/Noise are at 0% always, and as full scan progresses, it times out.
[00:11:20] xris: Pogonip: you lost me on that one... I don't know much about the theme stuff
[00:11:25] czth_: is there a way i can have a DVD automatically be unmounted when the drive eject button is pushed?
[00:11:41] czth_: (and as a bonus, automatically mount on DVD insertion too)
[00:12:00] xris: czth_: udev should handle some of that, as well as your window manager
[00:13:16] Pogonip: There is an XML overlay that has buttons defined, the action that plays music is <action> MUSIC_PLAY<action> i'm interested in finding out where it goes when the button is pushed.
[00:13:30] Dagmar: OH
[00:13:30] xris: probably to mythmusic
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[00:13:37] Dagmar: It's in all-caps. Thaqt's handy
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[00:14:00] Dagmar: Go to the mythplugins source (optionally into the mythmusic subdir) and type `grep -R MUSIC_PLAY *`
[00:14:30] Milosch: did they ever get rid of the floating N?
[00:14:39] Dagmar: Floating N?
[00:14:40] Milosch: or is it just me...
[00:14:50] Dagmar: Never seen anything like that
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[00:15:27] Milosch: for some reason when searching keywords, i see an N on the screen, part of the answer when nothing is found
[00:16:48] Dagmar: Erm... what kind of N are you talking about
[00:17:04] ubuntuEdgy: if there any one in the uk with DVB-t with EIT, and has it stopped working ?
[00:17:17] Milosch: the letter N
[00:17:53] Milosch: actually, i can see it at the left of the box showing my list of keywords to search
[00:18:28] Dagmar: Oh, in the frontend. I thought you were talking about at the console or something
[00:18:47] Dagmar: WTF. This WD50000AAKS doesn't appear to support SMART
[00:18:55] Milosch: maybe it's a blootube thing
[00:20:19] Dagmar: I wonder if this is a SATA issue.  :.
[00:22:01] Dagmar: Milosch: Well, frankly I'd try a different theme and see
[00:22:58] czth_: xris: what does the window manager have to do with it?
[00:23:44] xris: czth_: well, a "full featured desktop" like gnome or kde (which many people just call a WM) has auxiliary scripts for handling stuff like that.
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[00:24:04] czth_: i'd like to have it trigger my own scripts... just need to know where the hooks are
[00:24:19] czth_: also, how does udev help?
[00:24:37] TSCHAK: czth_, udev == Userspace DEVice manager
[00:24:52] czth_: yeah, i know what it stands for. how does it help me?
[00:24:58] TSCHAK: czth_, it responds to kernel messages so that devices can be allocated,
[00:25:26] czth_: TSCHAK: yeah, but how do i make it run my script when eject is pressed (with a DVD mounted), or when a new DVD is inserted?
[00:25:34] TSCHAK: czth_, combine this with a hardware abstraction layer like HAL, and a system like gnome-volume-manager, and you have an effective means of detecting when discs are inserted etc
[00:26:04] czth_: that's a good theory. got any practical links/docs for what I need?
[00:27:03] Dagmar: czth_: All OVER freedesktop.org, actually
[00:27:07] Milosch: i still see part of the N in titivillus (sp)
[00:27:33] Milosch: wacky
[00:27:42] Milosch: if it ever leaves, i'll miss it
[00:30:23] czth_: Dagmar: do you have any more specific links? (also what's the desktop got to do with it – what I want to do should work w/o X or a WM)
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[00:30:40] Dagmar: Oh good bloody luck there.
[00:31:08] Dagmar: Start with the readme files that ship with udev from kernel.org for udev stuff, and hal.freedesktop.org (or freedesktop.org and search for HAL to find the hal info)
[00:31:27] Dagmar: YOu almost certainly do *not* want to go trailblazing on this
[00:49:07] fadumpt: Is there any way at all I can use an All in wonder card in a mythtv box?
[00:58:07] Mixx: no, AIW is not generally supported – do what I did and get yourself an hauppage 150
[01:00:06] ubuntuEdgy: how do i log on the BE database ?
[01:00:17] ubuntuEdgy: "To fix it, I logged into the database, ‘use mythconverg;’, and issue the command ‘repair table program;’"
[01:01:02] hads: mysql
[01:01:06] ubuntuEdgy: thank u
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[01:05:33] ubuntuEdgy: i keep getting "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user"
[01:07:41] ubuntuEdgy: mysql -uroot -p works thou
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[01:15:20] fadumpt: Mixx: I'm looking at the haupuage's actually (the AIW came from work so it' can just as easily go back there :) ) but the TV I'm using only has one coax port and that's it....do i need like a PVR350 with the dual coax ports?
[01:16:00] fadumpt: although looking at some of the PVR150's on newegg, there are a few with double coax....
[01:16:05] fadumpt: so that's almost a nevermind
[01:16:37] Aquahallic: if I see vertical lines (very faint) during livetv if it's a high motion scene... is that my video card playback??
[01:16:42] Mixx: you only need dual coax if you want to watch live vid and record at the same tiem
[01:17:10] GreyFoxx: Aquahallic: Generally it means you need to enable deinterlacing
[01:17:14] fadumpt: I mean like, I have cable tv, so that cable connects to the computer, and then I'd need a cable to connect from the computer to the TV
[01:17:27] fadumpt: since the TV doesn't have S-Video
[01:17:30] Aquahallic: on a normal tv??
[01:17:59] GreyFoxx: fadumpt: Sounds like an old TV if it has no RCA or S-Video ports. But you can buy a cheap adapter to convert to a Coax output
[01:18:20] GreyFoxx: often called a "DVD adapter" or "RF Modulator" for playing DVD's on older TV's with only coax inputs
[01:18:21] fadumpt: oh
[01:18:37] fadumpt: yeah it is an old one, I'm just doing this in my room with a little 19" TV
[01:18:42] fadumpt: so next question is
[01:18:56] fadumpt: the cards that *do* have dual coax, one is in and one is out right?
[01:19:03] GreyFoxx: No
[01:19:16] GreyFoxx: The PVR 500's have dual tuners inputs)
[01:19:23] fadumpt: the PVR150 has FM in and TV in
[01:19:24] GreyFoxx: ther others have 1 cable tuner, and 1 fm tuner
[01:19:35] fadumpt: just found it :) so I would need an adapter
[01:19:37] GreyFoxx: the PVR 350's have Svideo/RCA outputs
[01:19:38] Aquahallic: GreyFoxx I thought deinterlace was only on a monitor... but with tv you use interlace... also... would the lines be up and down?? or side to side like from the horizontal scan???
[01:19:56] GreyFoxx: Aqa: horizontal lines
[01:20:08] Aquahallic: these lines go up and down
[01:20:24] GreyFoxx: and there is no good way with consumer video cards to map your signal perfectly to the lines on the TV, so you still need to deinterlace unless you get VERY lucky
[01:20:36] Aquahallic: ahh.. k
[01:20:47] GreyFoxx: Aquahallic: Not sure what those are then
[01:23:18] fadumpt: is the WINTV401 from hauppauge the replacment for the 350 (also read: is it compatible still?)
[01:23:33] GreyFoxx: I don't think they are replacing the 350
[01:23:43] fadumpt: oh okay
[01:27:17] pat_: I must be in the very lucky class then, I need no deinterlacer with my nvidia 6200 and svideo to a widescreen crt
[01:27:56] Sid`: pat_: even with an interlaced signal and fast-moving fields?
[01:28:02] Sid`: almost-static fields don't seem to tear anywhere near as badly
[01:28:16] Sid`: i can get away without deinterlacing on DVB-t assuming i'm not watching sport
[01:28:18] Sid`: (almost)
[01:28:52] pat_: sid, yup no deinterlacer required
[01:29:20] pat_: I know what interlacing looks like, I'm just not seeing it on my tv
[01:29:36] Sid`: ok, stupid question
[01:29:48] Sid`: is it an interlaced widescreen CRT, or one of the SD-progressive ones?
[01:29:48] fadumpt: oh! you'd need an RF modulator to create s-video and component etc for the TV....
[01:30:00] pat_: interlaced widescreen
[01:30:16] Sid`: fadumpt: scan converter. an RF modulator stuffs a baseband composite signal onto a broadband (tunable) bit of coax
[01:30:19] Aquahallic: so... what are you folks opinions on "Best Video Card" for TV Out??
[01:30:40] pat_: one that doesn't have a fan on it to break
[01:30:55] fadumpt: how *much* does that matter?
[01:30:57] Sid`: Aquahallic: IMO, Intel GMA with an external RGB->YPbPr colourspace converter
[01:31:20] Sid`: because then you don't have to deal with idiotic TV encoder circuits on your VGA card
[01:31:36] Aquahallic: that'd be for a component input correct?
[01:31:51] ** fadumpt thinks it's time for a TV that supports more then one connection then **
[01:31:59] Sid`: Aquahallic: yeah
[01:32:02] fadumpt: scan converters look to be $80 and up
[01:32:05] kash: does anyone have a moto razr with an internet plan?
[01:32:35] Aquahallic: so the scan converter takes the vga output and translates it to a component output?
[01:33:07] pat_: nvidia 6xxx series upward can support component output
[01:34:11] Sid`: yeah
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[02:07:09] tcpsyn: is anyone using a medium sized myth implementation.
[02:07:28] tcpsyn: I'm thinking of setting up a decent server, with a TB or so of storage
[02:07:29] GreyFoxx: Define Medium Sized
[02:07:37] tcpsyn: 3 front ends
[02:07:47] tcpsyn: being used for different things at the same time
[02:08:02] GreyFoxx: I have 2 backends, 5 frontends (1 of them is also the master backend)
[02:08:14] tcpsyn: that works.
[02:08:21] tcpsyn: how many tuners in your backends
[02:08:33] GreyFoxx: 3 pvr250's until recently
[02:08:55] chuk: did you have them all in the same backend?
[02:08:58] GreyFoxx: I've added a QAM capabnle card since then and am using atrick so I can record 8 channels at once from it
[02:09:03] GreyFoxx: chuck: YEs
[02:09:07] tcpsyn: right now I've got 2 pvr150s.. and I'm also paying for 2 comcast dvr boxes for my mom and my grandparents.
[02:09:21] tcpsyn: so realistically the three of us could all be recording house at the same time
[02:09:22] GreyFoxx: I had a DVB-s card in my slave, but haven't used it for a while. Then I used a bttv card, but I got rid of it
[02:09:37] GreyFoxx: so now my slave has a QAM card in it, but I'm using vlc to feed myth with iptv streams
[02:09:57] chuk: why? just for fun?
[02:10:14] GreyFoxx: cause then I can reecording 8 channels of the single card at once
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[02:10:44] GreyFoxx: I use VLC to read the entire transport, break it into 8 seperate IPTV streams, feed those to myth which see's it as 8 seperate channels
[02:10:44] Captain_Murdoch: GreyFoxx: what distro is your nfs root image for your RM4100 boxes based on?
[02:10:49] GreyFoxx: Captain_Murdoch: Slackwre
[02:11:14] Captain_Murdoch: using the intel iegd driver?
[02:11:19] GreyFoxx: chuk: So basically, it lets me record 8 digital channels at once of the single card
[02:11:26] GreyFoxx: Captain_Murdoch: Yup
[02:11:31] chuk: right, from one transport
[02:11:36] tcpsyn: We'll I'm thinking when things go digital...
[02:11:47] tcpsyn: if I have 3 pvr-150s, I'm gonna need 3 stbs
[02:11:52] GreyFoxx: Chuck : Turned out that my top 8 channels were on the same transport
[02:11:54] GreyFoxx: so it worked for me
[02:12:01] tcpsyn: And they're all going to need IR Blasters
[02:12:12] tcpsyn: wont all the IR blasters interfere with each other.
[02:12:31] Captain_Murdoch: GreyFoxx: does it work at all with stock Xorg versions? curious to test before putting the intel driver in the nfsroot image. trying to build one from a fedora image I have
[02:13:04] GreyFoxx: Captain_Murdoch: No, because the BIOS that comes with the MSNTV doesn't include the VGA bios. The IEGD will load one
[02:13:22] Captain_Murdoch: ah, ok.
[02:13:28] GreyFoxx: BUT if you flashed your msntv with one of the S100 bios's then you have more possibilities
[02:13:48] Captain_Murdoch: nah, just used the hacked one then applied the video patch to it
[02:13:49] GreyFoxx: I've personally not done that
[02:13:54] GreyFoxx: yeah
[02:15:09] GreyFoxx: hehe
[02:15:14] GreyFoxx: I had to make one
[02:16:06] Captain_Murdoch: I have one of those max chips around, but when I found out the cradle would work I didn't even bother looking for the chip. have it wired up with a couple alligator clip leads right now and a connector off an old cpu fan.
[02:16:14] tcpsyn: greyfoxx, do you have multiple stbs?
[02:16:26] GreyFoxx: tcpsyn: I don;t have any stb's
[02:16:58] tcpsyn: I wonder how it'll work with multiple stbs
[02:17:45] GreyFoxx: Many people do it, so it's doable
[02:18:10] tcpsyn: I can't comprehend how all that ir blasting will work
[02:18:24] GreyFoxx: What is confusing abou it ?
[02:18:44] tcpsyn: won't one ir blaster control all three stbs?
[02:19:06] GreyFoxx: Just place the output LED right next to the input LED
[02:19:15] GreyFoxx: "tape" them in place
[02:20:06] kormoc_: tcpsyn, you use a dark tape and thus it doesn't bounce to others
[02:20:21] tcpsyn: ah
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[02:24:48] ARfdee: hi
[02:24:49] ARfdee: help friendz
[02:25:14] ARfdee: You don't have permission to access /mythweb/data/music/mp3/mp3dir/album/foo.mp3 on this server.
[02:25:49] Agrajag-: i would say the problem is that You don't have permission to access /mythweb/data/music/mp3/mp3dir/album/foo.mp3 on that server.
[02:25:50] tcpsyn: give yourself permission.
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[02:28:08] ARfdee: drat
[02:28:45] ARfdee: thx
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[02:29:38] tcpsyn: what kind of bandwith would I need for 3 frontends and 1 backend.
[02:29:42] tcpsyn: will 100MB be enough?
[02:29:48] tcpsyn: or will I have to go 1000
[02:30:27] kormoc_: tcpsyn, given 1080i is max of 20 mbit/sec, you'll be fine with 100
[02:30:29] Sid`: 100Mb will be adequate
[02:31:17] tcpsyn: good.
[02:31:23] tcpsyn: So my only real problem is gonna be storage
[02:31:41] tcpsyn: right now I got about 500G spread out on different drives.
[02:31:48] tcpsyn: I'll have to get some kind of array
[02:31:53] tcpsyn: a nas box or something.
[02:38:22] tcpsyn: any recommendations on a nas box?
[02:38:49] Aquahallic: Is there a place I can set the max amount of space mythtv uses for recording livetv?? I'm up to 50 gig of recordings and I don't wanna eat up my entire 500 gig drive in a week...LOL
[02:39:50] GreyFoxx: Aquahallic: LiveTV gets auto deleted after 24 hours
[02:40:06] GreyFoxx: plus if spaces is ever needed for a recording LiveTV expires first to make room
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[02:40:18] a5benwillis: any dvb users here tonight?
[02:40:22] a5benwillis: dvb-s
[02:41:02] Aquahallic: kewl.. ty
[02:41:22] Aquahallic: so I guess it shouldn't grow above 50 or 60 gig then...;)
[02:41:54] GreyFoxx: it would depends on your bitrate, # of tuners watching livetv and just how long you leave it on livetv
[02:41:56] GreyFoxx: :)
[02:42:34] GreyFoxx: Leaving LiveTV running 24/7 on an HDTV feed would greatly exceed 50G :)
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[02:49:48] Aquahallic: hmmm... my volume control is belly up....:/
[02:49:50] Aquahallic: ALSA lib control.c:910:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL alsamixer
[02:49:54] Aquahallic: anyone seen this?
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[02:52:58] Aquahallic: for the mixer entry in mythtv... do I use alsamixer?
[02:52:59] Captain_Murdoch: GreyFoxx: did you compile your own kernel or use something like vmlinux-video-r2? I have X running, but can't see it out the composite port. I can see it running by using x11vnc and connecting to it. I also can't see the system boot unless I use the serial console. sounds like the bios patch didn't work almost. did you run into that when setting yours up?
[02:53:48] GreyFoxx: Captain_Murdoch: You have your's running in X now ?
[02:53:59] GreyFoxx: What resolution ?
[02:54:55] Captain_Murdoch: yeah, X is up, I'm on there via x11vnc. xdpyinfo says 640x480
[02:54:59] GreyFoxx: k
[02:55:02] GreyFoxx: grab this
[02:55:05] GreyFoxx: http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/msntv/msntv-on
[02:55:06] Captain_Murdoch: 24bpp
[02:55:17] GreyFoxx: make it executable, then run it while X is running
[02:55:45] clever: whats it do?:)
[02:55:48] Captain_Murdoch: bingo
[02:55:50] Captain_Murdoch: :) thanks
[02:55:59] GreyFoxx: rewrites the VGA registers
[02:56:02] clever: ahhh
[02:56:06] Aquahallic: GreyFoxx under your audio settings... what do you have in the mixer field?
[02:56:08] clever: i might need something like that
[02:56:13] GreyFoxx: I spent a month and a half reverse engineerring that last year
[02:56:22] clever: the video(vga and tv) on my laptop is often scrambled
[02:56:30] GreyFoxx: writing tools to dump the memory and combing trhough it all
[02:56:31] clever: and switching modes back and forth fixes it after a short while
[02:56:37] Captain_Murdoch: cool. might be able to replace the dlink in the bedroom with this tonight. :)
[02:56:54] GreyFoxx: Captain_Murdoch: I just call msntv-on in the startup script of my window manager
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[02:57:02] GreyFoxx: right before it loads mythfrontend
[02:57:02] ** clever finds the tvout cord for my laptop and winders if that prog may work on an ati card **
[02:57:17] Captain_Murdoch: so X needs to be running before calling that?
[02:57:20] GreyFoxx: Captain_Murdoch: use msnled from the same site to disable the frontleds
[02:57:42] Captain_Murdoch: ok
[02:57:47] GreyFoxx: Captain_Murdoch: Yeah, the IEGD driver don't come with support for the TV chipset (unless you buy it) and disables the output to the tv encoder
[02:58:11] Captain_Murdoch: ok, didn't know that or see it in all the reading I did before I bought this and while waiting for it to be shipped. :)
[02:58:12] GreyFoxx: my msntv-on renables it and tunes the VGA output to what the tv encoder wants
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[02:58:35] GreyFoxx: IEGD has support for the chip in the S100's, but the msntv uses a connexant chip
[02:58:42] GreyFoxx: there is adriver but they wont give it to you
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[02:58:47] GreyFoxx: so I spent the time to get around it :)
[02:59:04] Captain_Murdoch: I saw the msntv-on program on another site but didn't know what it was so I didn't snag it.
[02:59:07] GreyFoxx: msnled will let you control each led in the frontpanel... trust me, if it;'s in the bedroom you want them off :)
[02:59:13] Captain_Murdoch: yeah.
[02:59:22] GreyFoxx: I've got another version of it in my sourcetree I haven't released yet
[02:59:27] GreyFoxx: adds support for higher resolutions
[02:59:41] GreyFoxx: but I've not gotten around to finishing it since I've been happy with it as it is now :)
[02:59:57] clever: GreyFoxx: lol yeah it would be nice to shut all the lights off on a pc like that
[03:00:28] GreyFoxx: I put a msnled -ALL
[03:00:31] Captain_Murdoch: anything fancy to get keyboard/remote working? might be batteries I guess.
[03:00:34] GreyFoxx: in my init scrupts :)
[03:00:36] Captain_Murdoch: yeah, just did -ALL :)
[03:00:39] GreyFoxx: heh
[03:00:50] GreyFoxx: you can control them individually if you like for status indicators
[03:01:07] clever: i made a script in crontab using the blink program
[03:01:15] clever: to show batery level on my keyboard led's
[03:01:35] clever: because i was using the laptop for a short while with a damaged powercord and no lcd panel
[03:01:46] GreyFoxx: Captain_Murdoch: Batteries are good :) I used 2 learning IR remotes and trained them to the keyboard, and the other two I so rarely use I just use the msntv keyboard
[03:01:47] Captain_Murdoch: probably could set the red to indicate recording status like the xbox or whatever it is that was setup to do that.
[03:02:18] GreyFoxx: with a USB tuner and storage , or a laptop drive you could make them a backend too
[03:02:33] Captain_Murdoch: yeah, gonna try with my ConvertX usb box
[03:02:34] clever: how would you go about fetching the mythtv status to set the led's by(mythshutdown?)
[03:02:54] Captain_Murdoch: if that works ok I might get a PVR-USB2 for the other RM4100 and give that to the inlaws.
[03:03:19] GreyFoxx: You can check out the recording status via the http interface in mythbackend, or a meriad of other ways
[03:03:30] clever: the http interface has mem leaks
[03:03:45] clever: some1 posted a bug where they wget it 100 times and it causes the backend to use a great deal more ram
[03:03:47] Captain_Murdoch: yeah, I'll probably just leave them off if I leave the box on all the time or leave one on if I turn the box on/off
[03:04:12] GreyFoxx: clever: I've never seen any, and I use it constantly the upnp stuff uses a lot of the same code)
[03:04:28] clever: i'll have to find the bug report:P
[03:04:32] GreyFoxx: hehe the first night we had it in the bedroom my wife made me cover up the leds
[03:04:54] GreyFoxx: so I made msnled....funny how many things I've written before of her disliking something hehe
[03:05:00] GreyFoxx: s;/before/because
[03:05:07] dr_willis: Hmm.. that almost sounds dirty.
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[03:05:16] GreyFoxx: heh
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[03:05:28] clever: weee
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[03:05:31] Fnc: whats the msnlcd do?
[03:05:31] GreyFoxx: well, bedtime for me, early morning meeting
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[03:05:47] GreyFoxx: fnc, controls the msntv's front leds (power, status, etc)
[03:05:51] GreyFoxx: turn them on/off
[03:05:55] Captain_Murdoch: the guys at work were amazed I got it working this quick and one is looking on ebay at them now I think. :) he's been trying to setup a myth system for a year now, but he's got too much other stuff going on.
[03:06:02] Fnc: cool...
[03:06:05] Captain_Murdoch: thanks for the help
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[03:06:10] Fnc: can i get a copy?
[03:06:16] GreyFoxx: Captain_Murdoch: hehe I've been REALLY glad to have them
[03:06:32] GreyFoxx: and since I got lucky and it worked out to be like $9 it was a steal
[03:06:39] Captain_Murdoch: anything special to get the keyboard working? I just replace with fresh batts and nothing is showing up in my term
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[03:06:47] GreyFoxx: Fnc: www.phaze.org/mythtv/msntv.
[03:06:49] GreyFoxx: Fnc: www.phaze.org/mythtv/msntv/
[03:06:52] Fnc: thx
[03:06:55] Captain_Murdoch: yeah, a bit more here, but worth it for a silent frontend.
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[03:07:18] Fnc: think i paid like 50 bux or something
[03:07:31] GreyFoxx: Captain_Murdoch: Hmmm...... nope. The same bit of code in msnled COULD disable the keyboard as they are all controls by the same chip
[03:07:38] GreyFoxx: but I'm 100% positive it doesn't
[03:07:41] clever: GreyFoxx: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3317
[03:07:42] Fnc: still looking for a nice HD front end though
[03:07:51] clever: GreyFoxx: 'To confirm, I ran 'links -source http://localhost:6544/ > /dev/null' in a 100 loop for loop and memory jumped from 241virt/21res to 349virt/123res in less than a minute.'
[03:08:41] Captain_Murdoch: GreyFoxx: ok, thanks for the help. I'll play with it.
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[03:09:18] GreyFoxx: clever: Cool. Will have to look at that. Probably one of the bits that checks temporature and all that as the upnp stuff would find any leaks in the httprequest handling itself
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[03:09:30] clever: :)
[03:09:40] clever: temp may be usefull for several things
[03:09:54] GreyFoxx: I;'d be curious if it drops after afew minutes
[03:09:57] clever: silent frontends may have no fans and if you watch tv too long it may overheat:P
[03:10:03] GreyFoxx: I don;t know how fast cleanup of each connection is
[03:10:13] GreyFoxx: clever: Nope
[03:10:22] GreyFoxx: I've used mine for over a year, never a problem :)
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[03:10:27] clever: my laptop can run with the fan off
[03:10:32] clever: and it turns itself on after it heats up
[03:10:37] GreyFoxx: These use MUCH less power than alaptop
[03:10:47] GreyFoxx: and no harddrive inside heating it up
[03:10:50] clever: but it takes several mins of heating before it turns the fan on
[03:11:07] clever: so if it had no fan it may take 2–3hours of watching to build up enough heat the melt things:P
[03:11:23] clever: if you dont watch that much at once you could be giving it cooling breaks without knowing it
[03:11:36] GreyFoxx: Mine are on all day
[03:11:49] clever: idling doesnt make heat with proper systems
[03:11:59] clever: enless you have a prog using the spare cpu on there like boinc:P
[03:12:01] GreyFoxx: the one in the front room is on an average of 16 hours a day
[03:12:14] clever: but is it idle most of that time
[03:12:23] GreyFoxx: No, you are talking out of your ass :)
[03:12:27] clever: lol
[03:12:28] GreyFoxx: in my house, it's in use :)
[03:12:39] GreyFoxx: Between, my wife, my daughter, and myself
[03:12:41] GreyFoxx: SOMETHING is on
[03:12:46] clever: i recently 'fixed' my problem of commflagging eating cpu while it was recording
[03:12:52] GreyFoxx: If I'm home, it's on, period :)
[03:12:55] clever: i set my master backend to never commflag
[03:12:57] GreyFoxx: I don't like silence :)
[03:13:04] clever: then i started a slave backend with no tuners
[03:13:16] clever: and set it to allow commflaging of other backends crap
[03:13:18] Captain_Murdoch: keyboard working, just used your xorg.conf instead of the other example one I had downloaded.
[03:13:21] GreyFoxx: In cae you are curious, this is a (bad) pic of the insides http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2006/03-05-MSNTV-MythTV&
[03:13:27] GreyFoxx: Captain_Murdoch: Sweet!
[03:13:29] clever: so i basicaly made a dedicated commflagging box
[03:13:59] clever: nice
[03:14:18] clever: atm my only frontends are the masterbackend and the laptop
[03:14:32] clever: and the laptops tvout is unstable atm
[03:15:08] clever: is that a CF card sticking up out of the motherboard?
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[03:15:23] GreyFoxx: clever: Yup, they come with a 64Meg CF card in them
[03:15:27] clever: lol nice
[03:15:32] clever: thats the os?
[03:15:37] GreyFoxx: WinCE comes on them
[03:15:56] clever: so you could just toss linux onto a cf card and use that to run it?
[03:16:09] GreyFoxx: Mine is blank with 2 files, a vmlinuz.bin and a file with the kernel commandline for nfsrooting
[03:16:14] GreyFoxx: clever: many do that yeah
[03:16:20] clever: ahhh
[03:16:30] clever: yeah once the kernel is loaded it can nfsroot
[03:16:38] clever: full network booting is harder
[03:16:52] jams: GreyFoxx- RM4100 is the correct model number?
[03:16:54] clever: but a bootstraping 'floppy' is alot easyer
[03:16:58] GreyFoxx: jams: Yup
[03:17:01] jams: cool
[03:17:03] GreyFoxx: avoid the RM2100 :)
[03:17:10] jams: you guys have tweaked my intrest again
[03:17:17] clever: GreyFoxx: how much was that box?
[03:17:41] GreyFoxx: clever: I picked up atotal of 5 of them, price worked out to be $9 each
[03:17:47] clever: lol nice
[03:18:05] clever: how much normaly though?
[03:18:13] GreyFoxx: brandnew like $200
[03:18:19] clever: ouch:P
[03:18:24] GreyFoxx: but you can get them anywhere from $25 to $60 of ebay
[03:18:25] jams: ebay has them for around 30–50
[03:18:34] clever: but if i find one which 'wont boot' because the cf was formated by a n00b:P
[03:18:53] clever: i got about 60 in my paypal right now and another 30 on my desk:P
[03:19:04] GreyFoxx: and with that, bedtime :) Night
[03:19:06] GreyFoxx: have fun!
[03:19:09] clever: later:)
[03:19:09] jams: later
[03:19:18] Captain_Murdoch: g'night
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[03:25:12] xris: later.
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[03:31:14] NewCastleScott: it seems to be hoggin' it all
[03:31:19] dr_willis: more the better. :)
[03:31:24] dr_willis: id say 1 gb min..
[03:31:26] NewCastleScott: well of course
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[03:31:41] dr_willis: My Ubuntu box is doing just that. its a mythtv box and fileserver and my remote-desktop box
[03:31:58] NewCastleScott: thats what I have and if I were to get more would that resolve the seg faults Im getting randomly
[03:31:59] dr_willis: total used free shared buffers cached
[03:32:00] dr_willis: Mem: 1035832 999288 36544 0 5248 724260
[03:32:11] Anduin: NewCastleScott: No
[03:32:17] NewCastleScott: bummer
[03:33:01] NewCastleScott: anyone willing to take the time to help me debug my setup?
[03:37:05] NewCastleScott: ok I will look into it now thanks
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[03:42:04] dr_willis: my darn cable company dont even have firewire for their cable box's yet.
[03:42:05] Phantom1000: Firewire concerns me because of the cable company's complete control over it. I was planning on using that as a terciary (after the HDHR and the PVR350) source.
[03:42:31] kormoc_: Phantom1000, HDHR will only get you a few OTA channels and you'll need an antennia and all that jazz
[03:43:31] Phantom1000: What about QAM? I may be misunderstanding all of what I'm reading, but I thought that was a possibility.
[03:43:48] kormoc_: Phantom1000, yes, if the cable co didn't encrypt it, you could use QAM
[03:44:21] kormoc_: but there are very very few cable cos that don't encrypt their digital streams
[03:45:02] Phantom1000: Isn't the firewire connection also a digital stream?
[03:45:29] kormoc_: yes, it is, but it's regulated by the FCC that they have to send certain channels in the clear over it
[03:45:43] kormoc_: and sometimes you get lucky and get all your channels in the clear over it, sometimes not
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[03:48:12] Eroll: yo anybody know the website i need to goto to renew my mythfilldatabase subscription? the main USA one..damn mouse is broken..
[03:48:16] Phantom1000: kormoc_, thanks for the help.
[03:48:40] kormoc_: Eroll, labs.zap2it.com?
[03:48:46] Eroll: ya thats it thnx! :P
[03:48:51] kormoc_: your welcome Phantom1000
[03:48:54] kormoc_: g'luck
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[04:04:48] mungewell: Hey all. With MythTV/MythDora it possible to get LCDproc to use LCDd server on remote machine (i.e. via ethernet). I know LCDproc supports this, just how to get Myth to do it?
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[04:19:20] kdub: hey what is the best way to scan through a myth qam scan for which channels are encrypted
[04:20:02] kdub: am i better off generating a channels.conf with dvb-apps and running those throug mplayer?
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[04:46:52] clever: can i make say a public mythweb which has the flash player and shows some info
[04:46:58] clever: but lacks any edit perms
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[04:47:14] clever: so i could stream shows to friends without them being able to delete half my shows
[04:49:34] kormoc: no, and we do not talk about such things in here
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[04:52:05] clever: lol
[04:52:24] clever: i can probly just invite the more trusted friends into my vpn network
[04:52:29] clever: giving them full access to the mythweb
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[04:52:39] clever: and full tcp access to my box:P
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[04:52:47] kormoc: what part of we don't talk about such things in here don't you understand?
[04:53:03] clever: theres still the fact that mythweb's player doesnt even work for myself
[04:53:07] clever: ffmpeg cant handle nuv files
[04:53:16] clever: should atleast be able to talk about that:P
[04:53:49] clever: and the ffmpeg i downloaded from mplayer wont build
[04:54:59] zambaboo: but you can get a vw for under 17 thousand!
[04:55:11] ** zambaboo grins quizzically **
[04:55:11] clever: where did that come from?:P
[04:55:30] zambaboo: vw commercial :)
[04:55:34] clever: ahh
[04:55:42] clever: ahh yeah i remember which one you mean now
[04:55:48] zambaboo: this dude walks around with sign that says 'the end is near'
[04:55:49] clever: still is way off topic:P
[04:55:53] zambaboo: :P
[04:56:49] clever: rebuilding ffmpeg...
[04:57:31] zambaboo: i liked the 'gerrmann eengeeneereeng' ones better though
[04:57:35] xris_bb: Fedora 7, here I come... Once selinux finishes turning itself back ON
[04:58:00] zambaboo: 'say vaht too ahpeemp zees cahr?'
[04:59:46] zambaboo: man, paul stojanovic is something else
[05:00:05] zambaboo: who comes up with these lines
[05:00:44] zambaboo: cops have a pet name for those who try to outrun the cruiser and the chopper. they call them. [3...2...1..] Convicts.
[05:08:52] someninjamaster: any knoppmyth useres here
[05:09:00] xris_bb: And now for selinux to turn itself OFF...
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[05:12:07] xris: yay...
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[05:34:34] clever: 108 void imlib_context_set_display(Display * display);
[05:34:42] clever: /usr/include/Imlib2.h:108: error: syntax error before '*' token
[05:37:18] livingtm: is there existing software to use the Nokia 770 as a remote control?
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[05:58:17] xris: for whoever asked earlier in the day, it appears that mythtv will compile just fine. livna and fedora together have all necessary packages.
[05:59:06] clever: ive hacked my ffmpeg to build right
[05:59:19] clever: couldnt find the configure option to disable imlib2 so i just edited the configure script:P
[05:59:32] clever: removed the bits that checked and enabled it
[05:59:42] clever: finaly it builds:P
[06:01:20] clever: now to see if all that fussing even fixed mythweb's player
[06:03:16] clever: w00t
[06:03:20] clever: got a few frames of video
[06:05:28] ** clever pokes xris **
[06:07:49] clever: unstable but semi working
[06:08:06] kormoc: clever, that wouldn't have to do with say disabling a required check to enable a feature now would it?
[06:08:10] ** kormoc shakes his head sadly **
[06:08:21] xris: clever: sorry, still rebuilding my OS...
[06:08:23] clever: i also didnt do a make clean between that
[06:08:34] clever: so older parts may have still been linked to that too
[06:08:49] clever: whats the proper way to disable imlib2?
[06:08:59] clever: it refuses to build and i dont need its features
[06:09:07] xris: clever: not a clue
[06:09:10] clever: :(
[06:09:32] clever: its also only doing it on 1/2 of the files ive tried to stream so far
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[06:09:49] clever: and not getting any audio out of it yet
[06:10:40] clever: -check_foo_config imlib2 imlib2 Imlib2.h imlib_load_font
[06:10:40] clever: +#check_foo_config imlib2 imlib2 Imlib2.h imlib_load_font
[06:10:49] clever: part of the edit i did to configure
[06:11:27] clever: i'll check the mplayer channel
[06:16:34] xris: clever: what distro?
[06:18:25] clever: ubuntu 6.06
[06:18:39] xris: why not just grab a working ffmpeg from one of the alternate repos?
[06:18:40] clever: the binary ffmpeg package didnt have nuv support causing the flash player to not to crap all
[06:19:01] clever: and the first help i got was to download ffmpeg svn and build it
[06:19:32] xris: nothing has mythtv nuv support
[06:19:33] clever: rebuilt and installed
[06:19:41] xris: only mythtv does.
[06:19:50] xris: the flash player only works with mpg recordings at the moment
[06:19:56] clever: i rebuilt the svn of ffmpeg and now it can play the nuv files in the flash player
[06:20:06] xris: clever: it won't play all of them.
[06:20:08] clever: and mplayer also can handle the nuv's
[06:20:35] xris: not all of them
[06:20:36] clever: mplayers handling of nuv's was unstable for seeking i think
[06:20:46] xris: yeah. seeking, and it gets AV problems
[06:20:49] ** clever retests the flash player on the problem nuv **
[06:20:55] xris: mplayer and ffmpeg use the same libraries
[06:21:27] clever: still a fpe on that nuv
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[06:22:18] clever: but if i go down 1 in mythweb it runs fine for atleast 20sec
[06:23:16] clever: what other output formats does mythtv support?
[06:23:22] clever: could i simply not record to nuv?
[06:23:29] xris: clever: for software encoders, just nuv
[06:23:38] clever: ahhh crud:P
[06:23:49] clever: what about transcoding?
[06:23:51] kormoc: get a job
[06:23:54] clever: could i mythtranscode it to something else later?
[06:24:03] xris: clever: mythtranscode only produces nuv files.
[06:24:07] clever: ahhh
[06:24:08] xris: if you want to transcode, use nuvexport.
[06:24:28] xris: the flash player will eventually work with all files, cut commercials, etc. but I need people to add certain stuff to the backend first.
[06:24:28] clever: so mythtv gets all its other muxing from the firmware in hardware encoders?
[06:24:38] xris: yeah
[06:24:41] clever: ahhhh
[06:24:43] xris: or from digital streams
[06:24:52] clever: and it has play support for those but not record
[06:25:28] clever: i'll revert my debuging edits to the handler file
[06:25:30] xris: pretty much. no real point in adding more encoder formats because most people these days have hardware encoders or digital sources.
[06:25:37] clever: it floods my apache error log with debug msgs i added:P
[06:26:05] clever: thats part of the read loop so every time the read from ffmpeg exits it dumps that to the error log
[06:26:09] clever: over and over:P
[06:26:50] clever: while (read DATA, $buffer, 262144) {
[06:26:50] clever: +`echo flash streaming5 >/dev/stderr`;
[06:26:50] clever: print $buffer;
[06:27:12] clever: i forgot 99% of the perl i learned but that was effective enough to show what the flow of the program was
[06:27:19] kormoc: clever, you know, we all really don't care
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[06:27:26] clever: lol ok i'll shutup:P
[06:27:37] banyan: Hey! Has anyone tried fedora 7 with myth yet?
[06:28:54] tank-man: someone probably has tried fedora7 with mythtv
[06:28:54] xris: banyan: I reported about it a couple of pages back.
[06:29:33] banyan: darn, I just joined. In short, is it ready?
[06:29:50] clever: xris: also your right about ffmpeg's leaking out of the code
[06:29:58] clever: 1 survived and is eating some cpu
[06:30:01] kormoc: banyan, it's been out for a day or so... ready for what?
[06:31:00] banyan: ready for use with a myth backend.
[06:31:20] xris: my right what?
[06:31:41] clever: xris: i thought i saw something in the code about ffmpeg's not beng killed when the script exited
[06:31:50] clever: might not have been your comment though
[06:32:03] xris: clever: I was giving you a hard time about grammar.
[06:32:18] clever: i never realy liked english class
[06:32:31] xris: it's handy for communication, though
[06:32:38] xris: good for getting jobs, too.
[06:32:42] clever: yeah
[06:33:00] xris: makes me really not want to hire people whey they don't know simple stuff like there/their/they're, your/you're, its/it's
[06:33:04] kormoc: clever, it's all about quality not quantity
[06:33:09] clever: lol
[06:34:05] kormoc: that doesn't help your case one iota
[06:34:06] banyan: President Bush can't match gender and number when he speaks.
[06:34:19] xris: banyan: most people don't know what gender means
[06:34:27] clever: im just saying im better at english then some of the others you might run into:P
[06:34:32] clever: im not the worst out there
[06:34:45] ** xris hints that it has very little relation to pysiological appendages **
[06:34:59] kormoc: clever, and I'll be glad to even thing less of them then I of you
[06:35:01] ** kormoc shrugs **
[06:35:16] xris: clever: it's true. those particular ones are just pet peeves.
[06:35:20] banyan: does the dvd install allow an upgrade?
[06:35:41] xris: fsck -> flisck
[06:35:55] clever: Also a feature id like to have in mythtv is to be able to play 'native archive' dvd's i made from mytharchive
[06:36:04] clever: Without having to import them into the backend.
[06:36:40] clever: At the moment all i get is a gallery view of the png thumbnails.
[06:36:51] xris: clever: the "optical disks" section doesn't let you do that?
[06:37:01] clever: havent looked under that section yet
[06:37:28] xris: good place to look for info about optical disks...
[06:37:52] clever: autoplay opened something which i assumed was the best part of the prog for the job:P
[06:52:13] Sid`: hmmm
[06:52:36] Sid`: it shouldn't be THAT difficult to backport myth's nuv support to something that already has support for nuv of some kind, i wouldn't think
[06:52:59] clever: dont seem to have any trace of nuvexport on my systel
[06:53:01] clever: system*
[06:53:06] kormoc: Sid`, people try every few months, never gets anywhere tho
[06:53:12] clever: lol
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[06:53:46] Sid`: kormoc: there are a lot of bad programmers out there :P
[06:54:00] clever: might it be posible to pipe nuvexport to ffmpeg?
[06:54:09] kormoc: Sid`, I only said it would take a bit of work :P
[06:54:17] clever: so it remux's to something simpler then ffmpeg recodes it to flv?
[06:55:28] Sid`: looking at the source, seems that most of the nuv support is in 500ish lines
[06:55:57] clever: ive moded the nuv recording source before to increase the buffers a tad but havent realy done testing to see the effect
[06:56:07] clever: its tricky to reproduce random bugs
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[07:03:27] clever: also from what im reading
[07:03:42] clever: nuvexport is just a helper to feed the ton of options to ffmpeg/transcode/mencoder/xvid
[07:03:50] clever: an that nuvexport does none of the real work
[07:04:20] hads: Heh, interesting concept; http://www.merchantos.com/makebeta/tools/spyjax/ so simple once you realise.
[07:05:08] clever: lol nice:P
[07:05:17] Sid`: well, from looking at the source to myth's libav*/nuv.c and the one in last night's subversion grab, there's zero practical difference between the two
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[07:05:49] clever: yeah that is real simple
[07:05:53] clever: dont see why no1 noticed it sooner:P
[07:06:09] juski: you living up to your nick again clever?
[07:06:11] clever: Sid`: did you compare mythtv's to ffmpeg's?
[07:06:22] clever: juski: 01 04:03:56 < hads> Heh, interesting concept; http://www.merchantos.com/makebeta/tools/spyjax/ so simple once you realise.
[07:07:34] juski: I'll be disabling javascript then
[07:07:38] clever: the actual testing
[07:07:56] clever: it cant view your history listing
[07:08:00] clever: but it can poll it for thigns
[07:08:05] clever: like saying is .. in the history
[07:09:34] juski: another reason to hate java
[07:09:43] Sid`: aye
[07:09:43] clever: some options in ie(probly firefox too) let you enable and disable js based on predefined site lists
[07:09:44] xris: holy crap the java that comes with fedora 7 is slow
[07:09:53] clever: so you could say disable js everywhere except the few trusted sites
[07:09:56] juski: def. another reason to mistrust java anyway :)
[07:11:43] clever: Checked 10083 URLs in 47 seconds.
[07:11:44] clever: 0 URLS FOUND IN YOUR HISTORY
[07:11:51] clever: haha they didnt find crap on me:P
[07:13:02] tcpsyn: If I rip a bunch of dvds into iso, can I transcode them later?
[07:13:18] juski: tcpsyn: you're off my xmas card list, you know
[07:13:23] juski: ;)
[07:13:40] hads: juski: JavaScript, not java :)
[07:13:42] Anduin: tcpsyn: Not with mtd
[07:14:07] clever: java can probly do the same thing though:P
[07:14:13] juski: hads: same diff as far as I'm concerned. it's all evil crap
[07:14:19] tcpsyn: I have a badass machine, and it takes way too long to import if I don't just use iso.
[07:14:27] tcpsyn: er. but all my movies are like 7G
[07:14:37] tcpsyn: juski, because it works now?
[07:14:42] clever: the spy prog found some on my other firefox
[07:14:43] juski: tcpsyn: so do the transcoding offline ;)
[07:14:49] clever: google and youtube
[07:14:54] clever: and paypal:P
[07:15:00] Anduin: tcpsyn: the transcode line for things is very simple
[07:15:04] tcpsyn: that's what I was asking.
[07:15:08] tcpsyn: If it was possible to do that.
[07:15:19] tcpsyn: Just rip them in myth and have a cron transcode them later
[07:15:31] juski: tcpsyn: just kidding. because something appeared faulty that was so frustrating wasn't actually faulty. I'm glad for you though
[07:15:44] tcpsyn: juski, it was faulty
[07:15:54] tcpsyn: you saw it yourself
[07:16:18] juski: it appeared to be faulty but whatever it was got cleared when you tried another theme
[07:16:18] tcpsyn: then I left it alone for a while and came back to it.. and it was fine
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[07:16:29] tcpsyn: nope.
[07:16:33] tcpsyn: Even better
[07:16:38] juski: must be a bug in mythtv then
[07:17:01] juski: if it's not loading an image I tell it to load when I tell it to load it – that'd be a bug
[07:17:02] tcpsyn: didn't even restart the frontend
[07:17:21] juski: good luck reproducing that though
[07:17:33] tcpsyn: Eh, I'll pass.
[07:17:38] clever: get a coffee and stare at the frontend for 4 hours:P
[07:17:42] tcpsyn: even when it was messed up it was still useable
[07:17:50] clever: record any moves it makes:P
[07:17:58] tcpsyn: and now it's even more badass
[07:18:09] tcpsyn: Myth gets more badass by the day as I learn how to use it
[07:18:09] juski: clever: the new projectgrayhem looks so nice it's tempting to just do that IMHO
[07:18:18] clever: lol
[07:18:26] clever: is that in svn?
[07:18:37] xris: clever: his own repo
[07:18:40] clever: ahh
[07:18:44] juski: jus' wait til there's proper animation
[07:18:45] xris: juski: I need to grab those new ones from you
[07:18:49] clever: link/svn cmd?
[07:18:51] tcpsyn: anyone suggest any nas devices?
[07:18:58] tcpsyn: I'm running out of space fast.
[07:18:58] juski: clever: $mynick.co.uk
[07:19:10] xris: tcpsyn: intel makes a nice little one, but it's pricy
[07:19:15] ** xris reboots to get real video drivers again **
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[07:19:49] clever: lol stop talking in code:P
[07:20:10] juski: www.juski.co.uk
[07:20:11] tcpsyn: I want about a TB in raid 1
[07:20:22] clever: i figured it out in my heat:P
[07:20:23] clever: head*
[07:20:25] juski: I want about 20PB in raid5+1
[07:20:29] clever: LOL
[07:20:51] clever: i tried to get a 150gig lvm array but my new internal drive was regisering as 1gig
[07:20:54] clever: but its 80
[07:21:01] clever: works fine in the usb enclosure though
[07:21:38] tcpsyn: you can on newegg
[07:21:42] gardengnome: why don't you just go to the store, tell them what you need and end up getting screwed?
[07:21:45] juski: I'm not in the US of A
[07:21:51] juski: gardengnome: rofl
[07:21:54] tcpsyn: well, remedy that.
[07:22:02] juski: "give me FAST conscooter bits!"
[07:22:49] juski: I know anything I buy is going to make my 2800XP look as lame as it really is, so I don't have many worries on the speed front
[07:23:06] clever: theme changed:)
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[07:23:19] gardengnome: there are new 70€ intel cpus available. dunno how they compare to AMD chips, though
[07:23:39] juski: Intel are always seemingly more expensive – CPU & motherboard
[07:23:41] tcpsyn: anyone know of a stb that you can buy that works with comcast..
[07:23:49] tcpsyn: I don't want to rent from them
[07:24:11] juski: tcpsyn: you're pretty much locked into the cable co if you want to stay on the right side of the law
[07:24:39] tcpsyn: I don't mind paying for the service
[07:24:40] juski: Pentium 4 D any good?
[07:24:46] gardengnome: juski: bah
[07:24:48] tcpsyn: I just don't want to rent their stb
[07:24:59] gardengnome: juski: pentium 4 D is rather slow and their TDP is really high
[07:25:25] juski: tcpsyn: the deal with cable is you subscribe & get the box as part of the service – only paying extra for fancy stuff like DVRs/multiroom
[07:25:50] tcpsyn: nah, they charge like $10 a month for the cable box and remote too.
[07:25:50] juski: E4300 core duo then?
[07:25:52] tcpsyn: at least here.
[07:25:59] gardengnome: juski: sounds better
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[07:26:09] tcpsyn: and they're not going to just hand over 3 stbs
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[07:26:17] juski: £76.00 though!
[07:26:46] gardengnome: juski: if you go for a low-end core 2 duo, you should consider getting a cheap mainboard as well ;) intel's 945p chipset has the advtange of having a native IDE channel
[07:26:49] juski: I might be adventurous & just buy from the USA on my credit card
[07:26:49] clever: loading the install cd to make a new linux system and probly a new frontend:)
[07:26:57] gardengnome: juski: get some cheap AMD chip then :)
[07:27:30] juski: I think I'm set on Intel. never had intel – always been an AMD cheapskate & paid for it in low FP performance
[07:27:59] juski: I need CPU grunt for video editing & stuff, so floating point is king
[07:28:02] gardengnome: juski: FYI: toms hardware guide has got cpu charts where you can compare different cpus
[07:28:24] juski: I need more of a wizard thing where I can drill it down to 2 or 3
[07:28:30] gardengnome: heh
[07:28:40] clever: i had found a distro picking wizard ages ago
[07:28:43] juski: LGA775 == socket 775 yes?
[07:28:51] gardengnome: juski: yep
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[07:28:55] clever: and one of its sudjestions was the distro i was using at the time
[07:29:05] juski: I hate it when the manufacturers turn people into noobs again
[07:29:30] gardengnome: juski: can you get intel's E2140? i don't know how fast it is, but it's cheap
[07:29:40] clever: 5ghz cpu......takes 20 steps to run even the simplest assembly instructions:P
[07:29:54] gardengnome: clever: don't make fun of netburst :(
[07:30:04] clever: lol
[07:30:12] clever: was just making up numbers:P
[07:30:24] gardengnome: juski: what kind of drives are you using? SATA?
[07:30:32] juski: gardengnome: pata
[07:30:51] gardengnome: juski: how many? two?
[07:30:58] juski: two & dvd drive
[07:30:59] clever: ALL my systems are using either pata or usb to a pata enclosure
[07:31:05] juski: so I need 2 PATA ports
[07:31:16] juski: I really don't care about LAME raid 0 or 1
[07:31:36] gardengnome: juski: :( i doubt there are many boards with 2 ide channels out there.
[07:31:40] tcpsyn: why is raid 1 lame
[07:31:56] gardengnome: juski: maybe you want to replace that DVD drive with a SATA one. they're getting cheaper these days
[07:31:57] juski: tcpsyn: it's pointless as far as I'm concerned
[07:32:12] tcpsyn: why
[07:32:19] juski: the only raid worth having is 5 or better
[07:32:22] clever: most of my systems have 2 ide channels
[07:32:30] tcpsyn: er. raid 5 is expensive
[07:32:31] ServerSage: tcpsyn: Besides, most onboard RAID controllers are software RAID. If you are going to do software RAID, linux's is better.
[07:32:36] juski: tcpsyn: I know
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[07:32:40] gardengnome: clever: are your systems state-of-the-art intel boxen? ;)
[07:32:48] ServerSage: juski: I don't agree with that. Mirroring is valuable.
[07:32:54] tcpsyn: lvm?
[07:32:57] xris: juski: you need to update the thumbnail image for pg (in the mythtv theme picker)
[07:33:06] Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris
[07:33:07] juski: xris: I know thanks :)
[07:33:09] clever: but the ioport options on the jumpers only let you make it channel 0 or 1 so i cant realy push it into a spare io for a 3rd
[07:33:24] clever: and the bois probly wont let me move one of the onboard ones into 3rd place
[07:33:24] juski: xris: btw send me your address & I'll slip you a ocuple of badges
[07:33:34] xris: physical?
[07:33:38] clever: gardengnome: which ones?:P
[07:33:43] juski: xris: yeah
[07:33:49] xris: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/contact
[07:33:51] xris: :)
[07:33:51] gardengnome: clever: the ones with 2 ide ports? :)
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[07:34:06] gardengnome: juski: how many pci slots do you need?
[07:34:09] clever: even the old 233mhz/400mhz(unsure) has 2 ide slots
[07:34:12] clever: and a slot type cpu:P
[07:34:13] xris: cool
[07:34:21] juski: gardengnome: one, for my desktop machine
[07:34:26] clever: everything newer then that i beleive has 2 ide channels
[07:34:30] xris: anyway, way past time for me to sleep. talk to you guys tomorrow.
[07:34:31] clever: unshure of the older ones
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[07:34:43] clever: xris: its so past my bed time its 5am:P
[07:35:06] juski: gardengnome: can't find the E2140 anywhere local :(
[07:35:12] t0ny-p40: I just found out there is a difference between the cable tv's ground and my houses ground.... The hard way :P.
[07:35:20] gardengnome: clever: current intel boards usually don't have more than one IDE port.
[07:35:32] clever: my newest board is 2.9ghz
[07:35:32] gardengnome: juski: what about the E2160? they're both rather new
[07:35:38] juski: t0ny-p40: BBZZZZZZZZZZZT?!
[07:35:41] t0ny-p40: Yes
[07:35:46] gardengnome: clever: 2.9 Ghz what? pentium d chimp powa?
[07:35:52] t0ny-p40: my left hand is tingles now :)
[07:36:05] juski: ah.. Aria have got em
[07:36:07] clever: i forget
[07:36:08] clever: acer
[07:36:12] clever: onboard video
[07:36:13] clever: 2 ide channels
[07:36:25] clever: celleron d i think
[07:36:51] gardengnome: clever: that's rather old
[07:36:59] clever: lol
[07:37:08] clever: its the newest pc i have
[07:37:17] clever: and the fastest in ghz
[07:37:25] gardengnome: juski: FYI, you'll need a new video card
[07:37:26] juski: so what's the diff betwixt 2140 & 2160 then?
[07:37:30] juski: gardengnome: I know :(
[07:37:41] clever: the old P2 runs faster because of the diff load it has
[07:37:49] clever: when in 98
[07:37:55] juski: new ram, new cpu, new board, new VGA.. new hdd I think too
[07:37:58] clever: its painfully slow on the ubuntu livecd(probly low on ram)
[07:38:01] gardengnome: juski: 2140 is 1.6GHz while the 2160 has 1.80GHz afaik
[07:38:25] juski: I should treat myself to a brand new hdd, not some ex-test jobby for a change. I'm worth it
[07:38:53] gardengnome: juski: do you take the failed ones? ;)
[07:39:02] juski: gardengnome: ones I 'fail'.. cough!
[07:39:17] juski: I can't wait to reject 4 1TB HDDs
[07:39:48] gardengnome: juski: i got myself this VGA card: http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp . . . mp;class=vga
[07:39:56] gardengnome: juski: i don't know if there are better ones available now
[07:40:00] juski: we're not gonna get those til our sata driver works properly though. right now it's not at a stage where we'd know if the problem was our software or the disk
[07:40:56] juski: so what socket is a 2160 then?
[07:41:15] gardengnome: juski: should be socket 775
[07:41:40] juski: Aria.co.uk sell em but don't say. that's nice isn't it
[07:41:57] juski: gardengnome: you can keep yer dual GPU bullshit if you ask me
[07:41:57] gardengnome: heh
[07:42:10] juski: ricer nonsense!
[07:42:38] juski: the extra GPU won't make HD promo videos render any faster, so I'll pass ;)
[07:42:43] gardengnome: ;)
[07:42:46] gardengnome: hum
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[07:43:02] gardengnome: i don't know if that 2160 supports intel's virtualization stuff. :(
[07:43:42] juski: I'm sure it'll pee on my 2800XP from a great height though
[07:43:51] juski: and for £61 I can't argue with that
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[07:44:26] gardengnome: you could still overclock it. ;)
[07:45:04] juski: wow. 1GB of DDR2 for about £20 today
[07:45:17] gardengnome: ram is cheap as hell
[07:45:24] gardengnome: i'd go go 2GB these days.
[07:45:27] juski: that's the other thing. what ram?!
[07:45:36] gardengnome: i got corsair, i think
[07:45:50] juski: I don't mean brands. brands are meaningless
[07:46:05] gardengnome: not quite
[07:46:12] gardengnome: they're ricer brands and they're reliable brands
[07:46:13] gardengnome: ;)
[07:46:21] gardengnome: s/they're/there are/
[07:46:31] juski: memory either works or it doesn't
[07:46:52] gardengnome: i never understood the connection between FSB and RAM speed, really.
[07:46:56] juski: I think what you pay the extra for is more testing
[07:47:16] gardengnome: i suppose the 2160's are quad-pumped which makes them 200MHz
[07:47:25] gardengnome: stupid marketing crap
[07:47:28] gardengnome: juski: true
[07:47:33] gardengnome: juski: or shiny heat spreaders
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[07:47:54] juski: or LEDs on the address lines!
[07:48:00] gardengnome: heh
[07:48:19] juski: motherbaord for 775 starts at £25 or so
[07:48:23] gardengnome: oh. 60€ for 2GB corsair valueselect :(
[07:48:59] gardengnome: juski: i'd go with an intel chipset
[07:49:04] juski: there's one here doesn't even take ddr2 ram
[07:49:24] juski: and it's got AGP
[07:49:47] gardengnome: sounds like elitegroup or asrock. does it support the c2d?
[07:50:10] gardengnome: ah, now i remember. i have kingston memory.
[07:50:20] juski: c2d supported – tick!
[07:50:38] juski: asrock. not a bad board by the look of it
[07:50:52] gardengnome: linky?
[07:50:53] juski: has intel oboard vid too
[07:50:59] juski: http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(14287)Asrock-77 . . . t775-on.aspx
[07:51:47] juski: only has 2 sata ports tho
[07:52:05] gardengnome: "Supports FSB 1066 MHz for external graphics (by overclocking) and FSB 800/533 MHz for Internal graphics, "
[07:52:08] gardengnome: heh
[07:52:15] Sid`: juski: you REALLY don't want to run a core2 on <1066
[07:52:23] Sid`: if its 'supported' when overclocking, thats cool i spose
[07:52:24] juski: huh?
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[07:52:30] juski: what do you mean <1066 ?
[07:52:38] gardengnome: Sid`: we're talking about a 2160.
[07:52:40] Sid`: less than 1066MT/s (266)
[07:52:42] gardengnome: juski: the FSB
[07:53:02] juski: don't bring your mumbo-jumbo into this. Me want fast CPU!
[07:53:32] Sid`: heh
[07:54:09] juski: so I fell behind on reading up with THG for a while.. now I'm lost in a sea of gobbledygook
[07:54:10] gardengnome: juski: regular core 2 duo cpus run at 266MHz FSB. the cheaper 2160 runs at 200MHz FSB. your board of choice needs to be overclocked to run at 266MHZ
[07:54:44] gardengnome: i wonder if those integrated intel vga chipsets support interlaced modelines
[07:54:50] juski: I can see now why Dell do so well. just gimme a conscooter already
[07:56:16] Sid`: viz, much under 266MHz QDR causes disproportionate performance hits
[07:56:19] gardengnome: i wish it'd stop raining. my new master backend is waiting in the car.
[07:56:38] gardengnome: Sid`: spose i'll run mine at 333MHz then.,
[07:57:12] juski: Sid`: I don't think I'll be bothered that I'm losing a few % here or there
[07:57:28] juski: 1337 power isn't for me
[08:04:24] clever: just solder your own led's to the address and data lines
[08:04:32] clever: try and read the ram as it reads it
[08:05:01] clever: the psysical moding cant be that hard
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[08:05:13] clever: enless you short a line or introduce noise with longer lines
[08:05:22] clever: or draw too much current and mess it up
[08:09:41] juski: you need buffers in the way, dumbass
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[08:11:05] gpd: talking of motherboards: do you think it is silly to buy one with only two PCI slots?
[08:11:24] juski: gpd: for a desktop – nah. for a backend? yup
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[08:12:05] juski: if 2 tuners is all you're gonna want, then fine :)
[08:12:29] gpd: more than 2 seems excessive with only freeview
[08:12:29] juski: my current desktop machine has 5 PCI slots. gonna make a nift backend
[08:12:38] gpd: can't think of anything else i'd need in there
[08:12:40] juski: gpd: wait til xmas
[08:12:47] gpd: ? HD?
[08:12:52] juski: no
[08:12:57] gpd: oh – you mean xmas tv
[08:13:01] gpd: right... course
[08:13:13] juski: actually multirec's on the way don't forget so maybe 2 tuners will be enough
[08:13:39] gpd: and HD is far enough away that I don't need to worry
[08:13:50] gpd: so a cheap mobo and chip will suffice for now
[08:14:52] juski: HD is far enough away that you'll need to worry about a CPU capable of playing AVC H.264 in 1080i
[08:15:30] gpd: AVC H.264 ?
[08:16:03] juski: HD in the UK is very difficult to play on even the highest end CPUs
[08:16:12] gpd: ok
[08:16:13] juski: in linux, even more so
[08:16:19] Tanthrix: Difficult == impossible (With regards to linux)
[08:17:29] Tanthrix: Though with a Core 2 Duo of any kind I think it will be just fine as soon as some multithreaded decoders come out
[08:17:30] juski: not for very much longer, hopefully
[08:18:09] Sid`: 1080i will hit one core of a midrange c2d at about 85%
[08:18:12] Sid`: in my experience
[08:18:23] Sid`: less if you offload motion compensation to your GPU
[08:18:25] gardengnome: Tanthrix: janneg has got a patch for mythtv that'll allow multithreaded h.264 decoding
[08:18:44] Tanthrix: gardengnome: What?! Really?
[08:18:55] gpd: juski: I may buy the mobo you were surprised at above: LGA775 with AGP and DDR1... since i have this AGP 6800 fgx card I don't want to lose – 75quid chip,ram,board
[08:19:08] monotonous: hi guys – anyone using lirc and a hauppauge card with mythtv?
[08:19:32] gardengnome: Tanthrix: yes. he's at linuxtag now.he's probably posted his patch to the mailing list, though
[08:19:40] gardengnome: Sid`: are you talking about h.264?
[08:20:02] Sid`: gardengnome: yea
[08:20:08] Tanthrix: gardengnome: Nifty, I'll be on the look out
[08:20:09] Sid`: sorry, should have been more specific
[08:20:27] Tanthrix: Sid`: You can't offload any h264 to the GPU in linux...
[08:20:31] gardengnome: i have just noticed that my new backend box doesn't have SATA ports. i've got a spare 500G SATA disk here :(
[08:20:38] ** gardengnome curses **
[08:20:46] Tanthrix: gardengnome: Mail it to me, I'd be happy to take it off your hands
[08:20:53] gardengnome: Tanthrix: heh, no worries.
[08:21:12] gardengnome: i guess i'll swap it for the 250G PATA drive in my main box. that should suit the c2d better anyways.
[08:21:33] juski: gardengnome: aha! you need one of those clever pata to sata converter boards ....
[08:21:37] juski: which don't exist yet
[08:22:13] gardengnome: juski: of course they exist. they've been existing since the beginning. ;)
[08:22:25] gardengnome: they just don't work with all chipsets, afaik
[08:22:31] juski: gardengnome: yeah they exist but go the wrong way!
[08:22:48] gardengnome: juski: ah, right. darn.
[08:23:43] gardengnome: this is great. i've got 5 pci slots and four capture cards.
[08:23:54] juski: room for one more!
[08:24:07] gardengnome: no, i really don't want to put anything next to the VGA card
[08:26:06] juski: I think a board with onboard intel VGA will be interesting once Intel have sorted h.264 playback in their open source driver :D
[08:26:11] gardengnome: i guess i'll have to live with my with 250G + 320G disks then.
[08:26:18] gardengnome: juski: if they're ever gonna do that
[08:26:27] juski: that's their intent
[08:26:49] juski: or was that just digg dugg slashbot lies again?
[08:27:41] gardengnome: heh. digg. "Top 10 list why intel will support h.264! sign here"
[08:27:43] gardengnome: blech
[08:28:48] tank-man: sign here?
[08:29:26] gardengnome: tank-man: just making fun of the usual digg craziness
[08:35:10] directhex|work: Sid`, which decoder are you talking about, exactly? i've failed horribly to get an h264 HDTV broadcast capture to play on c2d
[08:36:23] t0ny-p40: two channels
[08:36:24] gardengnome: tomimo: macgyver++
[08:36:46] t0ny-p40: there is kind of a checkered pattern in my tv's color.
[08:36:51] t0ny-p40: is that normal for hdtv?
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[08:44:03] Sid`: directhex|work: whatever mplayer uses
[08:45:21] directhex|work: Sid`, is this static files (e.g. elephant's dream), or a broadcast stream?
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[09:04:31] gbee: morning all
[09:05:21] tcpsyn: I'm stuck in mytharchive.
[09:05:38] tcpsyn: It failed on me, and I killed the process... and now I can't get it to restart.
[09:05:55] tcpsyn: Even after rebooting the export files option goes straight to the log viewer where it failed
[09:06:02] tcpsyn: is there a file I have to remove somewhere?
[09:06:57] directhex|work: morning gbee
[09:10:31] gardengnome: tcpsyn: yes, remove the stale files inside your mytharchive temp directory
[09:10:42] tcpsyn: ah.
[09:10:43] tcpsyn: thanks
[09:16:13] juski: morning gbee
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[09:17:26] tcpsyn: does mythtranscode come with the backend?
[09:17:33] tcpsyn: is that why I don't have it on my frontendonly box?
[09:18:56] gbee: tcpsyn: depends on the packagers
[09:19:02] tcpsyn: gentoo
[09:19:10] tcpsyn: bah
[09:21:53] gbee: mythtv distributes the lot together, with only plugins and additional themes being seperate – but packagers like to split it up further into backend/frontend groups
[09:22:28] gbee: mythtranscode is no more part of the backend than mythfrontend is
[09:23:14] Sid`: directhex|work: static files, but how in hades is it any different?
[09:23:15] gbee: it's usually run on the backend though as that's where recordings are normally kept
[09:23:39] directhex|work: Sid`, give http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/force.php?file=./bbc.hd.ts a shot
[09:25:04] Sid`: directhex|work: ok, when i get home
[09:25:10] Sid`: i can't see this laptop coping
[09:25:21] Sid`: ye olde T5500
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[09:28:55] gbee: heh, my laptop doesn't do too badly with that stream – if you count half the normal framerate as good
[09:31:57] gbee: wonder if anything has gone into ffmpeg in the last two weeks which might help
[09:33:40] directhex|work: gbee, depends. got dual core?
[09:34:09] gbee: directhex|work: heh, no – I know about the threading patch, won't be of much help here
[09:34:15] gardengnome: gbee: http://svn.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg/trunk/libavcodec/h264.c?view=log
[09:38:15] ** directhex|work is busy compilerizin', can't test **
[09:39:12] juski: looks like I'm gonna have to spend some serious dosh!
[09:39:33] directhex|work: juski, on what?
[09:39:39] juski: new things
[09:39:48] directhex|work: exciting new things?
[09:39:51] juski: motherboard, ram, cpu, graphics card, hdd
[09:39:52] ** gbee hates that ffmpeg almost always requires configure be re-run and a make (dist)clean, yet doesn't have ccache support in the configure script or --previous **
[09:40:13] directhex|work: juski, because your old machine is dead, or because new computers rock?
[09:40:48] juski: I thought my old machine was dead -false alarm, but maybe I need to upgrade anyway
[09:41:14] juski: gawd is it pub time yet?!
[09:41:22] directhex|work: juski, what's the budget?
[09:41:54] gbee: 20 minutes
[09:42:33] gbee: well it used to be 20 minutes, these days could be anytime ;)
[09:47:46] directhex|work: juski, how's this? Gigabyte GA 945PL-S3 (£40); 2x1GiB Corsair TwinX XMS2 PC5400 (£46); core 2 duo 6320 (£100); 256MB Asus 8500GT Silent (£62); 250 Gb Samsung SP2504C (£36). that's sub-£300 for a pretty damn high-end setup
[09:49:24] directhex|work: that ram price is just plain silly IMHO
[09:50:07] gardengnome: get some real RAM, not that ricer stuff ;)
[09:50:35] gardengnome: um
[09:50:52] gardengnome: AFAIK, the 945P*L* is not a great choice. i wish i could remember why.
[09:51:25] directhex|work: gardengnome, the real stuff is £2 cheaper
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[09:52:20] ARfdee: hi, anyone familiar with this error?
[09:52:21] directhex|work: gardengnome, and i just picked a non-asus ATX 945 board at random
[09:52:25] ARfdee: lircd dead but subsys locked
[09:53:28] gardengnome: directhex|work: i've got a gigabyte 945 myself and it works well. i just can't remember the difference between 945P and 945PL.
[09:53:51] gardengnome: ah
[09:54:10] gardengnome: the 945PL can't run at 1066 quad-pumped it seems
[09:54:26] directhex|work: and a 2gib ram limit
[09:55:05] gardengnome: that's lame
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[10:01:19] directhex|work: it's only a problem if you upgrade often whilst keeping the same motherboard. however, you are right about one thing – the cpu i chose is 1066mhz bus, so isn't appropriate
[10:02:28] Sid`: i didn't think any 945* could do 266QDR
[10:02:40] Sid`: that said, i could be wrong
[10:03:05] gardengnome: i'm pretty sure my CPU is running at full speed ;)
[10:03:20] gbee: hmm, is there a good looking fixed-width font for linux? Or is that an oxymoron?
[10:03:58] janneg: what's wrong with courier?
[10:04:54] gbee: janneg: just doesn't look that good used within blootube
[10:05:27] janneg: ok
[10:05:54] ARfdee: anyone using ftdi_sio?
[10:09:02] Sid`: if you're going to the extent of getting a 945P-DS3 you might as well spend an extra few quid and get the 965P-DS3
[10:09:26] gbee: hmm, guess Bitstream Vera Sans looks perfectly fine when it's not bold
[10:09:52] directhex|work: Sid`, except ich8 sucks
[10:10:25] Sid`: directhex|work: ich8 is fine except for the lack of ye olde EIDE. the crap chips that motherboard manufacturers use to compensate for this lack are what suck
[10:10:50] Sid`: case in point JMicron jmb361 stuff
[10:11:12] directhex|work: Sid`, i could have types that. but that would have taken too long. "ich8 sucks" is quick to type
[10:11:30] Sid`: directhex|work: i'll pay that
[10:12:00] Sid`: the 965 northbridge itself is certainly an fair bit nicer if you have an E6xxx c2d
[10:12:22] directhex|work: given 945p does 1066mhz bus, what's the difference?
[10:13:03] gardengnome: Sid`: the 945P-DS3 costs 1–2€ more than the normal -S3 one. dunno about the UK
[10:13:26] Sid`: i have an 8 bit terminal.
[10:13:31] Sid`: what's that character after the '2'?
[10:13:37] gardengnome: EUR
[10:13:40] Sid`: ahhh
[10:13:42] gardengnome: :)
[10:14:01] Sid`: the DS3 has solid caps in the voltage regulator
[10:14:04] Sid`: that's the only difference
[10:14:17] gardengnome: if you use iso8859–15, you can see it :)
[10:14:27] directhex|work: utf-8! utf-8!
[10:14:28] Sid`: it's an overcompensation for the early 2000s' leaky cap problem
[10:14:31] gardengnome: Sid`: he was asking about the difference between 945P and p965
[10:14:48] Sid`: ah
[10:16:03] Sid`: the specifics of the matter elude me, but the recommendation is certainly prevalent – i recollect memory bandwidth/latency increases due to a better DDR2 implementation, amongst other things
[10:16:12] Sid`: and c2d is very latency-sensitive across its memory bus
[10:16:28] directhex|work: intel's memory bandwidth sucks, full stop
[10:16:34] directhex|work: if you're memory bound, go buy amd
[10:16:40] Sid`: directhex|work: strongly agree
[10:16:57] directhex|work: what's the peak flops on a 3.6ghz irwindale?
[10:17:28] Sid`: irwindale = nocona 2MB?
[10:17:52] Sid`: those things were chumps
[10:18:10] gardengnome: <- afk. have a nice day :)
[10:18:27] directhex|work: hm, 7.2ghz apparently. not happening real-world, but oh well
[10:19:30] directhex|work: gah
[10:19:36] directhex|work: s/ghz/gflops/
[10:19:39] Sid`: i'd guesstimate ideal around 12GFLOPS or so
[10:19:55] Sid`: cos the IPC of P4 was usually greater than 1
[10:21:18] juski: directhex|work: corsair ram? do I look like a ricer boy to you?!
[10:21:46] directhex|work: juski, it's a decent price for a 2gib pack. and it's also just a suggestion
[10:21:51] juski: I think I need PC6400 anyway
[10:22:01] directhex|work: i buy ricer ram when it costs the same as dies-within-a-week value ram
[10:22:10] Sid`: juski: nah, just pc4200
[10:22:11] juski: heheh good call
[10:22:13] Sid`: 2 channels of it
[10:22:38] juski: so hang on.. with 800MHz FSB, how does it work out that I need pc4200?
[10:22:50] directhex|work: you don't need to sync it
[10:22:57] directhex|work: that's not the problem it used to be
[10:22:59] Sid`: weren't you buying a motherboard that could overclock the FSB to 1066?
[10:23:15] juski: Sid`: I'm not the slightest bit interested in overclocking
[10:23:20] Sid`: which gives you 266QDR, which you feed with 2x 266DDR channels (DDR2–533/PC4200)
[10:23:37] Sid`: juski: it's not overclocking. if you're buying core 2, you need a 1066MT/s bus or you're underclocking.
[10:23:40] juski: is there a site that explains this in ENGLISH anywhere?
[10:23:41] Sid`: cos they're multiplier-locked.
[10:24:08] Sid`: um
[10:24:09] Sid`: dunno
[10:24:11] juski: I can't help but feel woefully thick when it comes to all this now
[10:24:55] juski: just make the fscking numbers relate somehow!
[10:24:55] Sid`: the wikipedia page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_2#Conroe may have a reasonable explanation
[10:25:12] juski: time was you had a PCU and 'some' ram :)
[10:25:17] juski: *CPU even
[10:25:35] Sid`: i suck at elucidating things that i know.
[10:25:43] Sid`: this is why i am an engineer and didn't finish my B.A.
[10:26:04] juski: Sid`: so how does it work out that I'd be underclocking a CPU which says it's 800Mhz FSB if I run it at 800Mhz FSB ?
[10:26:18] Sid`: juski: hang on, are you getting an E6xxx or an E4xxx ?
[10:26:21] gbee: if the colons in 11:25:12 were to flash on a clock, would that be on/off so that it makes a cycle every two seconds, or on/off so that it occurs every second?
[10:26:31] Sid`: i forgot that there were 200MHz (800MHz) core 2s
[10:26:34] Sid`: the 4300/4400s
[10:26:39] Sid`: are you getting one of those?
[10:26:44] juski: Sid`: be a E2160
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[10:27:11] Sid`: ahh
[10:27:11] Sid`: eek
[10:27:23] Sid`: yeah
[10:27:37] Sid`: ignore everything i just said about 1066MT/s buses
[10:28:14] directhex|work: coo, looks like our kit really has been getting bigger over the years
[10:28:27] directhex|work: 972.8 GFLOPS theoretical peak from our new box
[10:28:36] Sid`: juski: yikes, the 21xx Pentiums don't come out 'til Monday
[10:28:44] Sid`: so says wiki anyhow
[10:29:53] juski: Sid`: I thought I was going fscking mad!
[10:30:06] Sid`: juski: no, you just bought an really obscure CPU
[10:30:07] juski: serves me right for listening to folks in here :-P
[10:30:10] Sid`: heh
[10:30:16] Sid`: assumption is the mother of all fuckups :)
[10:30:18] juski: http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CPU . . . ductId=27106
[10:30:28] Sid`: aye
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[10:30:40] Sid`: 200MHz QDR CPU. one channel of PC2–6400 will feed that
[10:30:42] juski: and http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CPU . . . ductId=27228
[10:31:24] juski: so it uses a 200mhz clock quad multiplied
[10:31:38] Sid`: nah, its not a multiplier
[10:31:43] Sid`: it transfers 4 bits per clock cycle
[10:31:47] juski: ah
[10:31:55] juski: see now I understand :)
[10:32:02] Sid`: aye
[10:32:08] juski: so where does the 6400 come into it?
[10:32:17] Sid`: 6400 means '6.4GB/s'
[10:32:25] Sid`: which, from memory, is DDR2–800
[10:32:31] juski: right!
[10:32:52] juski: aha!
[10:33:03] juski: ahh my brain is calm now :)
[10:33:11] Sid`: so the base clock there is actually double that of your CPU PLL
[10:33:17] Sid`: but the CPU uses a QDR bus
[10:33:22] Sid`: and the ram has a DDR bus thats twice as fast
[10:34:07] Sid`: the faster CPU buses (still QDR) don't have a matching DDR that's twice as fast
[10:34:14] juski: at the end of the day it's all marketing BS
[10:34:19] Sid`: so they use two channels of DDR clocked at the same base frequency as the CPU
[10:34:25] Sid`: which is the supposed optimum config
[10:34:51] juski: right. and where matched pairs can buy you 2% on a good day with the wind behind you etc
[10:35:01] Sid`: no
[10:35:05] Sid`: that's ricer jargon
[10:35:41] Sid`: is just that
[10:35:43] Sid`: ricer zargon
[10:35:58] Sid`: directhex|work: you usually save about $5
[10:36:08] directhex|work: Sid`, right. 1 beer then
[10:36:13] Sid`: directhex|work: aye
[10:36:22] directhex|work: what's the gflops per core on woodcrest?
[10:36:33] directhex|work: hang on, depends on clock speed. i forgot what the clock speed is. gah
[10:36:35] Sid`: directhex|work: between 1.2 and 2.something depending on workload
[10:36:37] Sid`: i think
[10:37:11] Sid`: core 2 is 4-issue so the theoretical max IPC is 4, but you'll never see much more than 2.x
[10:39:14] juski: since I'm looking at spending about 200 quids it's tempting to buy a midrange Dell & flog the monitor on Ebay
[10:39:31] directhex|work: 8.5 GFLOPS per core apparently
[10:40:00] directhex|work: no wait, that's the 5160
[10:40:43] directhex|work: urgh. concrete figures elude me
[10:41:27] Sid`: that'd be a theoretical maximum
[10:41:41] Sid`: the 5160 is a 3GHz part
[10:41:49] Sid`: so that's about right
[10:41:58] directhex|work: 10.6 on a woodcrest core. eek
[10:42:18] Sid`: yeah, the 51xx was a netburst thing
[10:42:23] Sid`: horrid, horrid xeons
[10:42:26] directhex|work: no, 51xx is core
[10:42:28] juski: thing is, would one core 2 due core trounce my shitty 2800xp on its own? ;)
[10:42:37] juski: one core of a *
[10:42:37] directhex|work: 51xx is woodcrest, 53xx is clovertown
[10:42:40] Sid`: juski: yes.
[10:42:42] Sid`: juski: verily
[10:42:50] directhex|work: juski, into dirt
[10:42:57] juski: excellent!
[10:43:34] juski: so as I suspected, whatever I buy is gonna be way better than what I'm putting up with at home now
[10:44:03] directhex|work: bugger me sideways, our new kit is fast
[10:47:22] juski: last nooby question then.. I'd be totally wasting my CPU if I buy ram that's slower right? e.g. PC5300 instead of PC6400
[10:47:43] directhex|work: wheeeeee, rpeak for all our new kit: 9082.9
[10:47:50] juski: I really regret not keeping up with the times sometimes :)
[10:48:10] directhex|work: juski, it's not that bad. i wouldn't worry too much about ram speeds, it'll still be very fast
[10:48:30] juski: directhex|work: doing a lot of heavy video editing & stuff it might matter more I dunno
[10:48:51] directhex|work: juski, not enough to stress over, IMHO
[10:49:02] juski: okees
[10:49:24] juski: http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(16873)Corsair-V . . . -memory.aspx
[10:49:28] juski: bingo :)
[10:50:17] directhex|work: corsair?
[10:50:19] directhex|work: RICER!
[10:50:50] juski: it's cheap :D
[10:51:12] juski: if it was cheap with massive fins & pulsing lasers I'd buy that too
[10:52:11] directhex|work: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=291363 is what i was originally suggesting
[10:52:28] directhex|work: price for pc6400 doubles :x
[10:52:50] juski: wow. I hate scan though.. except it's where I got my monitor last week
[10:53:55] directhex|work: i get free shipping from scan, so i check there first
[10:59:19] juski: I go in person, without fail
[10:59:42] juski: don't do mail order if I can help it. ducking hate the shipping companies
[11:00:42] directhex|work: everyone loves shittylink! and parcelfarce!
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[11:04:38] tcpsyn: why is mythtranscode only using 2% of my processor?
[11:31:43] tcpsyn: is it safe to update all recordings to cut commercials like it's written in the wiki here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing_Commercials
[11:31:53] tcpsyn: ?
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[11:32:20] Stvos: lo all
[11:32:21] RaYmAn-Bx: you should probably start out with letting it notify you of commercials in-video
[11:32:37] tcpsyn: I have it auto skipping them
[11:32:45] tcpsyn: I just want to cut some space
[11:32:50] RaYmAn-Bx: if that works satisfactory I don't see why not..
[11:33:14] RaYmAn-Bx: but I guess I can't really say anything useful because commercial detection doesn't work here.
[11:33:26] tcpsyn: I still can't figure out why mythtranscode is only running at 2% CPU on my frontend
[11:33:35] RaYmAn-Bx: is it a problem? =P
[11:34:38] tcpsyn: yes
[11:34:49] tcpsyn: it's taking me hours to burn a short dvd
[11:34:59] tcpsyn: because it's not using any resources
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[11:50:36] juski: tcpsyn: if I were you I wouldn't rely on automagical commercial stripping.
[11:51:03] tcpsyn: could you say why?
[11:51:20] juski: it's never 100% accurate is why
[11:51:25] tcpsyn: aye.
[11:51:37] tcpsyn: I've been using the autoskip for about 3 months.
[11:51:46] tcpsyn: and although it misses some commercials, it's never wrecked a show
[11:51:56] tcpsyn: maybe once or twice cut off a few seconds
[11:52:00] juski: we UK folks are wary of commflagging
[11:52:10] juski: it can wreck shows very often
[11:52:13] hads: Here is depends on the show and channel.
[11:52:37] hads: Probably 60% accurate or so.
[11:52:39] gardengnome: hashbang: ping. you there?
[11:52:55] tcpsyn: any idea why mythtranscode is running at such low cpu usage when I try to use mytharchive?
[11:53:05] directhex|work: does commflag have a mode to detect aspect ratio changes? that's the most obvious one on UK TV IME
[11:53:07] juski: tcpsyn: because it's been niced!
[11:53:15] juski: directhex|work: nope
[11:53:25] tcpsyn: how do I fix it?
[11:53:26] tcpsyn: heh
[11:53:31] tcpsyn: because.. this sucks.
[11:53:55] juski: directhex|work: yet another SoC abortion
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[11:56:33] juski: RaYmAn-Bx: seen that here too
[11:56:45] juski: and shows sometimes fade to black for art
[11:56:51] RaYmAn-Bx: yeah
[12:00:55] tcpsyn: can I change the nice level somehow for mytharchive?
[12:04:14] juski: oh ffs. call this a theme/skin? pfft! http://www.tv-cards.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?id=14683
[12:04:47] juski: the 1980s called.. they want their graphics back
[12:04:58] juski: </bitchcow>
[12:05:47] gardengnome: ew
[12:06:09] frink_: yo
[12:06:19] frink_: gardengnome: what kind?
[12:06:30] gardengnome: frink_: some kind of fly. it looks crispy. :)
[12:06:34] juski: lol
[12:06:35] frink_: yummy
[12:06:42] juski: how did it taste?
[12:06:57] frink_: A mate of mine found his daughter's hampster in his PeeCee
[12:07:23] frink_: after his PeeCee started to "smell not quite right"
[12:07:40] gardengnome: :(
[12:08:24] tcpsyn: how do I get 0.20-fixes?
[12:08:31] juski: results today for me today :-| or :-D
[12:08:36] tcpsyn: maybe that'll help
[12:08:59] juski: tcpsyn: the source of 0.20-fixes?
[12:09:02] gardengnome: tcpsyn: http://svn.mythtv.org
[12:09:06] gardengnome: juski: :)
[12:09:11] juski: prolly got ebuilds for that already
[12:09:34] ** juski hands tcpsyn some OMGOptomgericermations **
[12:10:03] tcpsyn: wtf
[12:10:35] frink_: I would like to employ somebody to patch and generally keep up to date my myth box. Any takers?
[12:10:42] frink_: You get ssh access to it
[12:11:07] juski: frink_: no thanks. I am literally evil. you wouldn't want my brand of maintenance going on
[12:11:09] frink_: As I have no time since I have degree course, job, two kids
[12:11:28] juski: frink_: just leave it alone if it works damnit.
[12:11:31] frink_: juski: Thats what I told my employers, but they still pay me :0
[12:11:52] frink_: juski: the bloody nova-t 500 card still breaks everything
[12:12:23] juski: I'd not have bought that if I were you
[12:12:39] frink_: quite....
[12:12:45] frink_: What would you have bought?
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[12:13:02] tcpsyn: can I run a fixes frontend with a stable backend?
[12:13:19] juski: frink_: a motherboard with more than 3 pci slots, and 2 or more dvb-t tuners :)
[12:13:42] juski: tcpsyn: nope. -fixes IS what is considered to be stable!
[12:14:04] frink_: I have the motherboard ;-) What tuners do you fancy these days?
[12:14:14] gardengnome: *sigh* there's capacitor fluid on the mainboard. :(
[12:14:15] tcpsyn: 0.20_p12325
[12:14:30] tcpsyn: that's what I have.
[12:14:35] frink_: gardengnome: Umm, goes good on chips. Esp if it's the slightly fishy smelling stuff ;-)
[12:15:01] juski: tcpsyn: that looks like -fixes already then
[12:15:11] tcpsyn: damn
[12:15:39] frink_: When I bought the Nova-t 500 I saw the posts that said "this is a good card" and missed the bit that said "but it breaks"
[12:16:09] frink_: oh shit
[12:16:23] frink_: i just popped the wrong drive out of the RAID array
[12:16:29] ** frink_ puts is back quick **
[12:16:35] hugolp: frink_: I have the same card and I am running with a usb stick until they fix it
[12:16:38] tcpsyn: None of these processes from mytharchive are using any cpu.
[12:16:45] tcpsyn: mytharchivehelp
[12:16:48] frink_: and thinks of a suitable excuse
[12:16:53] tcpsyn: mythtrancode
[12:17:00] juski: frink_: just blame me!
[12:17:12] tcpsyn: all staying < 2%
[12:17:15] frink_: :)
[12:17:18] tcpsyn: even after I've reniced them to -20
[12:17:28] frink_: wow it actually recovered perfectly.
[12:17:43] frink_: Well thats NetApp for ya.. See it really was worth spending 250k on it ;-)
[12:17:47] tcpsyn: mythreplex uses some though.. around 5%
[12:18:10] directhex|work: pfft, netapp
[12:18:36] tcpsyn: It shouldn't take 2 hours to burn a 1 hour dvd on an Athlon 64 X2 3800+ with 2G ram.
[12:18:40] tcpsyn: that's just silly
[12:18:47] frink_: directhex|work: yes but I can drop beer all over the array and everything still works :)
[12:18:56] directhex|work: pfft, netapp
[12:19:07] frink_: directhex|work: I know I know... What do you prefer?
[12:19:59] directhex|work: we have a pillar axiom
[12:20:19] frink_: directhex|work: Thats nice. What is it?
[12:20:57] directhex|work: frink_, green and black
[12:21:29] frink_: directhex|work: Like the orgasmic chockolate?
[12:22:37] directhex|work: frink_, it's idiot-friendly in the extreme, and entirely sata based. high-speed data comes from smart platter placement (i.e. outer edges of disk for speed-critical data)
[12:24:23] juski: tcpsyn: ironiclly that sounds like the amount of time my properly configured 2000xp takes to make a 1 hour dvd :)
[12:25:14] tcpsyn: really?
[12:25:48] tcpsyn: I'm not transcoding at all
[12:35:44] gardengnome: sucks to be me today. i'm counting 8 damaged capacitors.
[12:36:26] gardengnome: i can either use some i440bx board with a p3 450 or an asus k7m with an athlon 700. :(
[12:37:43] directhex|work: use the athlon
[12:38:11] gardengnome: ironically, that athlon was in my first mythtv box. ;)
[12:38:23] juski: eeks. it's 27.5'C in the lab today
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[12:47:08] pat_: just getting to the right temperature then
[12:47:19] ** pat_ curses winter and 20 degree days **
[12:52:06] gardengnome: pat_: fahrenheit?
[12:53:54] directhex|work: can someone please remove cythrault's stuff from #3446? it's an unrelated & incompatible patch
[12:58:43] juski: and then kill cythrault!
[12:59:02] directhex|work: at that point i don't care. do as you will!
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[13:07:00] TSCHAKWerk: ugh
[13:07:07] TSCHAKWerk: okay, I've resigned myself to the fact
[13:07:18] TSCHAKWerk: that I _suck_ at putting together these high performance htpc cases
[13:07:48] TSCHAKWerk: I almost KILLED myself trying to mount a zalman 9700 CPU cooler
[13:07:48] directhex|work: TSCHAKWerk, could be worse
[13:07:56] directhex|work: TSCHAKWerk, try building a zalman tnn-500a
[13:08:13] TSCHAKWerk: directhex|work: actually that's on my list for my studio computer.
[13:08:27] TSCHAKWerk: directhex|work: i need a case i can use in a control room
[13:08:43] TSCHAKWerk: so it's not just me and zalman's instructions suck ass?
[13:08:53] directhex|work: it's just you
[13:09:09] directhex|work: zalman's products are uncooperative, that's all
[13:09:46] TSCHAKWerk: one of the nuts in the back-plate got stuck to the screw
[13:10:02] TSCHAKWerk: and my pliers are having a hard time loosening it.
[13:10:31] TSCHAKWerk: because i didn't apply JUST THE RIGHT amount of pressure when mounting both the back plate and the front mounting ring
[13:11:28] directhex|work: i said they were uncooperative!
[13:11:49] TSCHAKWerk: sorry, just venting
[13:11:59] gardengnome: heh
[13:12:33] TSCHAKWerk: i was so mad i burst a blood vessel and found myself on the floor the next morning in the fetal position sucking my thumb.
[13:12:39] TSCHAKWerk: :-P
[13:13:15] directhex|work: gah, vmware is so much slower in 64-bit mode :x
[13:13:38] TSCHAKWerk: using 64-bit hosts in vmware is a bit of a bizarre hack, hence why it's a bit slower.
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[13:15:00] TSCHAKWerk: xen's approach is much cleaner imho
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[13:15:32] TSCHAKWerk: hey Dagmar
[13:15:36] directhex|work: except throw xen into the mix, and kiss 3d goodbye
[13:15:58] TSCHAKWerk: yeah, but hopefully not for much longer
[13:16:24] TSCHAKWerk: there are only a few hooks remaining to implement to properly do 3D inside a Xen0
[13:16:37] TSCHAKWerk: or a resource-specific XenU
[13:17:09] TSCHAKWerk: heh, nifty, gplv3 is now compatible with apache license.
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[13:20:49] juski: oh FUCK
[13:20:57] juski: they won't give me the result on the phone
[13:21:07] juski: that sucks
[13:22:01] juski: actually means it's bad news of some sort
[13:22:12] TSCHAKWerk: juski: even if it is breast cancer, there is help.
[13:22:19] TSCHAKWerk: ;-)
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[13:22:38] juski: it's not the end of the world, but will complicate things lots
[13:24:09] GreyFoxx: Dr's tests?
[13:24:21] juski: yup
[13:25:03] GreyFoxx: Doh
[13:25:24] juski: my life isn't in any danger :)
[13:25:30] fadumpt: quick last question....how are the TV Wondeers in MythTV?
[13:26:06] juski: fadumpt: as any Tv wonders are. sucky
[13:26:16] fadumpt: good to know, thanks
[13:26:18] TSCHAKWerk: as in, not really a wonder
[13:26:23] TSCHAKWerk: ;-)
[13:26:44] juski: wonder if they ever worked / are gonna ever work..
[13:26:47] GreyFoxx: fadumpt: All-In-Wonders do not work, Tv Wonders do, or so the docs say
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[13:28:29] fadumpt: yeah, I got the AIW part (which sucks because I had my hopes up since work had an old one)
[13:29:31] GreyFoxx: It's like a monitor for your PC
[13:29:43] GreyFoxx: It's what you look at....do you REALLY want to go with the cheapest you can get ?
[13:31:20] fadumpt: well...I'm not exactly using any kind of HDTV or even a big TV....so if was gonna be able to get off with free hardware, w00tness :)
[13:31:57] fadumpt: but now it's gonna be a PVR150
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[13:35:39] squish105: pvr150 well worth it, based on the time u gonna wastegetting a tv wonder to work
[13:37:12] fadumpt: hehe, that's all I needed to know :) ....there's just something about "just works" that gives you a warm funny feeling (don't get me wrong, I love the all weekend Linux hacking to get something working...but...)
[13:37:23] fadumpt: fuzzy btw
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[13:43:50] juski: there's something about a thing that 'just works' that feels disappointing for me sometimes :-P
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[13:44:33] livingtm: Is there any existing project that allows a N770 to function as a mythtv remote?
[13:45:33] gardengnome: the silverstone LC17 is *huge*.
[13:46:13] juski: gardengnome: like a HTPC wardrobe? ;)
[13:46:32] gardengnome: kinda
[13:46:33] gardengnome: ;)
[13:46:56] directhex|work: livingtm, nothing specifically packaged for the purpose AFAIK
[13:47:17] livingtm: Are there any frameworks in place that might facilitate such a project? :-)
[13:47:44] livingtm: something about the size, portability, and connectivity of that device
[13:47:44] directhex|work: there are a few options.
[13:47:54] livingtm: just lends itself really well to such a task i think
[13:48:44] directhex|work: teach yourself Bluez and you could make the thing behave like a bluetooth remote (it supports bluetooth, right?). or there's the telnet interface in myth.
[13:49:25] livingtm: oh oh telnet
[13:49:29] livingtm: that sounds good :-)
[13:49:35] livingtm: is that a plugin
[13:49:41] GreyFoxx: Nope
[13:49:46] livingtm: bultin?
[13:49:47] GreyFoxx: just got to enable it in the frontend settings
[13:49:49] GreyFoxx: yes
[13:50:03] GreyFoxx: I use it along with a commandline app to control my frontends all the time
[13:50:04] livingtm: now how involved would it be to be able to scheudle proigramming fo mthere?
[13:50:27] GreyFoxx: I've never looked at the scheduling stuff (if any) in there
[13:50:29] livingtm: like be able to show the menu screens on the n770
[13:50:35] GreyFoxx: I use it as a keyboard/remote
[13:51:03] GreyFoxx: There is an project out there call gmyth for accessing myth from the n880's or some such
[13:53:47] juski: I like my remote to last years on a single set of batteries :)
[13:55:19] livingtm: juski, hehe true.. although i wouldnt buy a nokia ONLY for remote purposes
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[14:03:37] juski: another leaving presentation..
[14:03:47] juski: attrition!
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[14:09:41] dr_willis: Anyone by any chance using MythTV on a Ubuntu Feisty box?
[14:09:50] directhex|work: at home, yes
[14:10:17] dr_willis: Just got the wife a cheap Vista Laptop – trying to get it to use the uPnp feature of Windows Media player so she can see the shows on the mythtv box.
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[14:10:47] dr_willis: but heck – i cant even find that feature in Vista. not sure if theres somthing i gotta install, or what the deal is. (viesta is a pain)
[14:11:19] directhex|work: that's mostly a windows question
[14:11:31] directhex|work: to which the answer is (i never made it work)
[14:12:03] dr_willis: im not sure if the upnp stuff is enabled under mythtv on ubuntu by default – MIGHT be the issue as well
[14:12:13] directhex|work: yes, it is
[14:12:41] dr_willis: ok. You narrowed down my debugging then. :)
[14:13:16] directhex|work: never made it do anything useful, but i can definitely detect it
[14:14:31] dr_willis: Thats what ive noticed in the past with the upnp stuff.. it never seems to actually work. :)
[14:14:52] dr_willis: also seems theres a lot of upnp server/software out. but not as many client softwares.
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[14:25:03] juski: hometime-ish :)
[14:25:12] Merlin83b2: Almost beer o'clock :)
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[14:31:29] TSCHAKWerk: don't you have to set multicast routes to make upnp work ? sometimes the 240.0.0.0 route isn't there.
[14:32:24] directhex|work: TSCHAKWerk, you tell me. the myth wiki is worthless when it comes to upnp
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[14:34:25] TSCHAKWerk: directhex|work: it needs it.
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[14:34:45] directhex|work: TSCHAKWerk, so document it
[14:35:39] squidly[work]: morning
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[14:40:15] MrGandalf: Has anyone had a case where the frontend stops responding to all input? Won't respond to lirc, keyboard nor commands issues via the network remote control.
[14:42:08] Dibblah: Not with the frontend. dmesg?
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[14:43:00] MrGandalf: the systems is fine.. but what's even stranger is if I attach gdb to it I can't trace anything.. gdb doesn't scan any libs or anything
[14:43:36] MrGandalf: but the frontend continues playing livetv like nothing is wrong
[14:45:09] MrGandalf: I kill the frontend and everything is fine for awhile again..
[14:45:43] squidly[work]: I've had that happen to me a couple of times but its very rare and usualy when I've got my system under heavy load already
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[14:49:18] RyeBrye: Anyone install F7 yet? Any problems with MythTV?
[14:50:16] directhex|work: fedora's not cool anymore. you're not cool! :o
[15:04:26] ** dr_willis wants a mythubuntu **
[15:04:27] dr_willis: :)
[15:06:44] ** RyeBrye isn't cool :( **
[15:06:54] RyeBrye: What's cool then? Ubuntu?
[15:06:58] squidly[work]: dr_willis, heh. I may try that out then
[15:07:08] ** RyeBrye no like ubuntu **
[15:07:21] squidly[work]: Ubuntu, gentoo, Suse, SCO :P
[15:07:30] squidly[work]: thoes are all cool
[15:07:44] ** squidly[work] ducks **
[15:07:46] squidly[work]: brb
[15:07:52] RyeBrye: SCO FTW!
[15:08:35] RyeBrye: I'd run gentoo, but if I'm going to be building all my stuff from source, I want to build my compiler from source
[15:08:53] RyeBrye: and if I'm going to do that, I want to manually input my compiler in
[15:09:03] RyeBrye: and if I'm going to do that, I might as well write my own bios
[15:09:11] RyeBrye: ;)
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[15:10:39] dr_willis: I do have mythtv working under UbuntuFeisty decently well.
[15:11:00] dr_willis: LinuxBios
[15:11:06] directhex|work: gentoo's not cool anymore
[15:11:10] directhex|work: it's mainstream, man!
[15:11:23] dr_willis: Im not sure gentoo was ever cool... "interesting" yess.. but cool? ;)
[15:11:37] directhex|work: all the cool kids moved to Arch Linux instead of gentoo
[15:11:40] dr_willis: made my whole lan rather hot with all the distcc compiling.
[15:12:05] RyeBrye: Anyone here succesfully building MythFrontend for OS X?
[15:12:55] a5benwillis: not me
[15:13:03] RyeBrye: The main ./configure script is broken for it, and someone wrote a perl script that is supposed to do it all – osx-packager.pl in the contrib directory – but that craps out on me when it tries to compile QT 3.6.6 from source
[15:13:04] a5benwillis: Any DVB-S users here today?
[15:13:10] squidly[work]: directhex|work, lol
[15:13:44] RyeBrye: (speaking of which, I can't get ANY version of QT 3.3.* to compile from source on my mac – they all have tons of misc errors, each version has them in different spots it seems – or it compiles in a different order)
[15:19:20] a5benwillis: slow here tody
[15:19:50] RyeBrye: Well... This guy obviously has his builds working -> http://www.thesniderpad.com//index.php?option . . . ect&id=3
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[15:20:10] RyeBrye: I'll try to email him to figure out what he did to get his to work! (or maybe just download and use his binaries)
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[15:23:21] gbee: warm today
[15:33:17] juski: my car reckons 24'C warm
[15:33:42] directhex|work: your car is flashy and has a thermometer
[15:33:46] juski: be nice down Deansgate Locks tonight :D
[15:34:12] juski: got an appointment at the docs at 5.10pm, so I'll find out wth is going on today after all :)
[15:37:35] gbee: 26 in the shade according to the thermometer by the back door
[15:38:11] juski: saw a car full of topless blokes on the way home. looked *well* dodgy :-P
[15:38:27] Merlin83b2: Good luck, juski.
[15:38:36] Merlin83b2: Deansgate locks eh? Might head over :)
[15:38:59] juski: always nice when the weather's like this :D
[15:39:12] Merlin83b2: Yeah – not sure it's quite warm enough yet.
[15:39:15] gbee: :)
[15:39:27] Merlin83b2: Might head down to Eden and sit on the barge at Canal St. for after work beers .
[15:39:29] juski: starting in Atlas apparently
[15:39:49] juski: Doing Anal Treet tomorrow
[15:40:17] juski: suddenly realise very few people will get that
[15:40:23] juski: doh!
[15:40:34] Merlin83b2: lol
[15:40:38] gbee: hehe
[15:42:28] RyeBrye: MythWeb looks pretty good in Elinks :)
[15:43:02] gbee: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canal_Street,_Manchester
[15:43:14] gbee: trust wikipedia to have an article on Canal Street
[15:43:36] Merlin83b2: Trust wikipedia to have an article on *anything*.
[15:44:13] Merlin83b2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Canal_Stre . . . nchester.jpg
[15:44:25] Merlin83b2: If that panned about 3cm to the right, you could see my flat :)
[15:44:47] juski: Mr Loaded
[15:44:58] Merlin83b2: Not really – mortgage sees to that!
[15:45:12] directhex|work: mortgages are poopy
[15:45:30] juski: def. upwardly mobile though!
[15:45:55] juski: I thought about livingin the city before I bought my house – but it's no place for a car owner
[15:46:09] juski: right – better shake a leg & get me bike out :)
[15:46:10] Merlin83b2: Very true – my camper lives in an underground thing and renting that costs a load.
[15:46:23] juski: back in a bit...
[15:46:29] ** directhex|work lives in a quiet market town **
[15:46:39] directhex|work: which also has a wikipedia entry o/
[15:46:48] Merlin83b2: As I said...
[15:46:49] Merlin83b2: ;-)
[15:46:58] livingtm: juski, thanks for the wikipedia link :-) makes more sense now
[15:47:15] livingtm: Merlin83b2, oh it was your link, sorry :-)
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[15:47:45] Merlin83b2: gbee's, actually :)
[15:48:21] livingtm: props to all :-)
[15:48:26] Merlin83b2: Hehe
[15:48:28] livingtm: i get it now, and thats the most important part
[15:48:30] livingtm: :-)
[15:48:51] Merlin83b2: As you can see on the pic on the entry, witty people rub off letters of the street sign.
[15:48:52] livingtm: I havent been to manchester
[15:49:03] livingtm: yeah they even explain that in the article :-)
[15:49:04] directhex|work: don't. it's oop norf, and therefore grim
[15:49:11] Merlin83b2: Heh
[15:49:14] Merlin83b2: And heh again
[15:49:19] livingtm: oop norf?
[15:49:31] livingtm: ah accent :-)
[15:49:34] ** Merlin83b2 forgives livingtm for being 'Merican. **
[15:49:37] livingtm: haha
[15:49:38] livingtm: :-)
[15:49:44] livingtm: Ive been to birmingham a couple of times
[15:49:53] livingtm: through coventry
[15:49:56] Merlin83b2: Yep, how a proper northener would pronounce "up north"
[15:50:01] livingtm: out into the sticks
[15:50:34] livingtm: I flew in to do some work, not much chance for sight seeing
[15:51:04] directhex|work: could be worse
[15:51:11] directhex|work: last time i was in the states, i was in tampa
[15:51:20] directhex|work: there's literally nothing of worth in tampa
[15:51:38] livingtm: yeah its funny how often the visitors see the crappiest part :-)
[15:51:52] livingtm: "Oh ive been to the states.. I went to Disney"
[15:52:17] livingtm: yeah thats what the whole country is like.. castles and fairy tales
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[15:53:11] livingtm: I did go out of my way to have a few pints of local cask ale
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[16:17:26] juski: xris: badges in the post :)
[16:17:58] juski: c/o Silicon Maniacs or whatever you're called ;)
[16:18:09] juski: anyway..
[16:18:18] ** juski does the 'nothing to worry about' dance :D **
[16:18:40] jams: juski got a picture of the badge anywhere?
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[16:18:47] juski: www.juski.co.uk
[16:19:27] juski: pic doesn't do it much justice. they're spiffier than the photo
[16:19:34] jams: i see
[16:19:51] jams: i notice the link is VERY CLOSE to the donate link ;)
[16:19:52] juski: crappy coolpix 775 :-|
[16:20:10] juski: jams: unintentional
[16:20:21] juski: infact I've thought about moving the link away a bit
[16:20:44] juski: incase anybody clicks by accident & ends up losing their house
[16:20:59] juski: you never know with PayPal ;)
[16:21:42] jams: thats why ebay offers "paypal protection"
[16:21:56] xris: juski: thanks much. I'll share with kormoc, too
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[16:22:58] aLeSD: hi all
[16:23:09] aLeSD: I'm thinking in porting mythtv on a superH
[16:23:19] aLeSD: I have a 300Mhz cpu + hw mpg4 decoder
[16:23:31] aLeSD: what do u think ... is it enough ?
[16:23:40] someninjamaster: does anyone know how to actully kill x in knoppmyth
[16:23:41] juski: no way
[16:23:56] juski: someninjamaster: try asking in #knoppmyth ;)
[16:24:22] juski: aLeSD: mythtv doesn't support hardware mpeg4 decoders!
[16:25:19] gbee: linux doesn't support them
[16:25:21] juski: your 300Mhz machine might still be useful. holding doors open or closed
[16:25:25] aLeSD: juski: well .. it doesn't support it now
[16:26:10] juski: it's totally non-trivial to get hardware working in linux & getting mythtv to support it – especially output hardware
[16:26:20] aLeSD: well .. if I can run mythtv on a 300Mhz superH . I could add by myself
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[16:26:56] juski: omg.. not a Micronas CPU. Oh man. Good luck with that!
[16:27:38] aLeSD: juski: do you know someone how port it on other arch ?
[16:28:02] juski: I'm not kidding – unless you're an embedded hardware engineer for a living & don't mind hard work – forget all about it
[16:28:57] juski: how much ram are you figuring on using?
[16:29:10] Merlin83b: 128MB ;-)
[16:29:15] Merlin83b: Should be plenty!
[16:29:27] juski: pfft. for a frontend maybe
[16:31:21] juski: aLeSD: an engineer at Phillips tried getting mythtv working on their NexPeria platform. It didn't go too well
[16:31:53] juski: if the database ever goes embedded I can see hope for small STB mythtv systems, but not until then
[16:32:13] Merlin83b: In other news, beer o'clock!
[16:32:21] Merlin83b: Have a good weekend, folks :)
[16:32:27] juski: aye y'nall
[16:32:42] juski: don't fall into yon carnal ;)
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[16:32:53] juski: *canal/carnal.. same diff round there
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[16:33:34] gbee: juski: as I recall it worked well enough, just not perfectly
[16:33:37] clever: lol
[16:33:51] clever: no idea if it even had a linux driver:P
[16:33:54] aLeSD: juski: what dbms support mythtv ?
[16:33:57] clever: but its the cheapest video capture device dell has:P
[16:34:13] juski: aLeSD: mysql or mysql, or mysql. I hear Mysql works just fine. And Mysql
[16:34:25] aLeSD: mysql-lite ?
[16:34:26] clever: sounds like it does hardware encoding
[16:34:29] juski: aLeSD: mysql or mysql, or mysql. I hear Mysql works just fine. And Mysql
[16:34:33] juski: aLeSD: mysql or mysql, or mysql. I hear Mysql works just fine. And Mysql
[16:34:37] aLeSD: lol
[16:34:38] clever: in the molded plasic lump on the cable
[16:34:45] aLeSD: I see
[16:34:46] gbee: you've broken juski!
[16:35:00] juski: overheating
[16:35:09] juski: need beer
[16:35:25] aLeSD: juski: do u know the problem that the engeneer found ?
[16:35:25] juski: eureka! beer is in the fridge!
[16:35:40] juski: aLeSD: it was written up somewhere & there was a presentation video
[16:35:55] juski: aLeSD: the problem is porting x86 code to other platforms
[16:36:00] clever: got an extra 4$ i could get a 'wintv-go-plus pci tv tuner card'
[16:36:14] juski: getting the build environment working is hard ;)
[16:36:22] juski: clever: pvr150 – you know it makes sense!
[16:36:23] clever: which does contain the word Hauppauge®!. which i hear might be good:P
[16:37:38] juski: stop using lame hardware man
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[16:37:51] clever: thats why im poking at the dell site:P
[16:38:02] juski: does Tivo use a framegrabber? no!
[16:38:16] clever: yeah i think it runs on a 54mhz or something
[16:38:19] clever: the central cpu
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[16:38:26] clever: numbers might be off:P
[16:38:30] juski: 200Mhz MIPS or so
[16:38:48] juski: gbee: is canned booze supposed to taste of the can?
[16:39:07] gbee: juski: invariably it does :)
[16:39:14] juski: clever: buy a damn Hauppauge pvr150
[16:39:21] juski: gbee: never noticed til i quit the tabs
[16:39:28] clever: lol
[16:39:40] clever: the last link i pasted was a pvr 150 something:P
[16:39:52] clever: hardware mpeg2 encoding
[16:40:15] kash: http://i16.tinypic.com/68h8jlz.png
[16:40:16] juski: gbee: see the blurb about Freeview Playback starting a marketing campaign?
[16:40:17] kash: :D
[16:40:27] gbee: juski: it actually does vary, lots of people prefer bottles for that reason :)
[16:41:09] juski: kash: wth is that? not posting goatse I hope!
[16:42:23] juski: still nobody has pwned the unprotected mythbox at jusftp.no-ip.org:8080/mythweb/
[16:42:31] clever: LOL
[16:42:51] clever: must resist:P
[16:43:04] juski: give it your best shot bigman
[16:43:08] gbee: juski: as public awareness of what a DVR actual is increases, it will benefit mythtv as people look for alternatives to Freeview's own offerings
[16:43:19] gbee: or something like that – my dinner's burning, bbl
[16:43:25] clever: lol
[16:43:35] juski: gbee: especially as mythtv will support freeview playback's features soon :)
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[16:44:42] clever: that one looks nice
[16:45:11] clever: not shure if its hardware encoding though
[16:45:22] clever: and its damn expensive:P
[16:46:06] clever: WinTV-PVR-150 Personal Video Recorder from Hauppauge
[16:46:12] clever: that close enough juski ?:P
[16:46:20] juski: smart-ass
[16:46:52] clever: even comes with a remote and probly an ir receiver too
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[16:47:24] clever: claims you need 'Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition'
[16:47:30] ** clever stabs winblows:P **
[16:47:40] xris: clever: I don't know if that hvr-1600 works in linux
[16:48:02] clever: and its over 100$ :P
[16:48:16] clever: the first one i was linking too was 55
[16:48:51] clever: something else i was thinking of
[16:48:59] clever: i often at hotels
[16:49:07] clever: what if i made a portable mythbackend
[16:49:14] juski: the analogue part of the hvr1600 doesn't yet work in linux
[16:49:22] clever: which had a small library of lirc codes for a wide range of tv's
[16:49:40] clever: and i just change the tv listing and refresh it based on which hotel its wired to
[16:49:40] juski: small library for a wide range? hahahaha
[16:49:49] xris: clever: why not just get a pvr-150?
[16:49:52] clever: just a pile of lirc codes for a range of tv's
[16:50:04] clever: dont have a job to get the more expensive card:P
[16:50:19] juski: so you're often at hotels doing what?
[16:50:27] juski: er.. no on 2nd thoughts don't say anything
[16:50:36] clever: my dad is at the town to work
[16:50:44] clever: and has the hotel to sleep at overnight:P
[16:50:51] clever: and im just following along
[16:51:03] RyeBrye: You should have your dad leave you at home once or twice to save up enough for a card :P
[16:51:07] clever: but streaming from the house backend at 50kb/sec is painfull
[16:51:15] juski: I told you. become a fluffer. nobody wants to do it much so the pay'd be pretty good
[16:51:17] clever: he is leaving me at home right now:P
[16:51:29] clever: been home alone 3 days now:P
[16:51:40] clever: i was thinking if i did get a newer card
[16:52:00] clever: i could make a portable backend with the old framegrabber or something
[16:52:14] clever: which with some tweaking can handle the cable provider changing daily
[16:52:36] RyeBrye: It would be a pain to update the tv listings all the time
[16:52:44] clever: probly wont need the lirc codes even since the hotels just have raw cable without a box
[16:53:00] clever: cant mythtv keep track of several listings at once?
[16:53:05] RyeBrye: esp. since hotels usually have strange altered listings
[16:53:24] clever: normaly used to keep track of say cable and sat providers listings at once
[16:53:52] clever: could try getting the listings for all the hotels in the province that we stay at fed in at once:P
[16:54:01] clever: and just swap out which one is linked to the card
[16:56:12] RyeBrye: Does Zap2it ever release any numbers on how many MythTV users in the US have active accounts?
[16:56:36] RyeBrye: They probably have a better idea how many MythTV users there are than anybody...
[16:56:45] RyeBrye: (just thinking about it as I refresh todays data)
[16:57:30] clever: yeah they can easily track the mythtv users if they just had a way to seperate them from the other users
[16:57:38] juski: I've had 1588 page loads from users alone in the last 7 days
[16:57:40] RyeBrye: The sign up code that says you are using MYthTV
[16:57:51] clever: im guessing by the useragent(wget) or the signup code
[16:58:09] RyeBrye: Yeah, probably signup code
[16:58:16] RyeBrye: How does Windows MCE get guide data, btw?
[16:58:32] clever: my mythweb folder in my apaache is a symlink to the one under mythplugings
[16:58:38] jams: same place..MS foots the bill for the guide data
[16:58:43] clever: so when i svn update the mythweb gets updated instantly
[16:58:44] RyeBrye: Ah, gotcha
[17:00:27] clever: lol
[17:00:40] RyeBrye: MythTV version 0.5 or something should work on a feature called "borringflag" or "uselesssuspenseflag" – for TV shows like "Deal or No Deal" that have about 5 interesting minutes in the whole show.
[17:00:42] clever: my lirc often drops a digit and records 5(tv guide) instead of 51:P
[17:00:50] juski: 0.5 was ages ago
[17:00:52] juski: 20 >> 5
[17:00:54] RyeBrye: 0.50 I mean
[17:00:54] RyeBrye: :)
[17:01:15] juski: RyeBrye: you could have it closer than 0.50
[17:01:27] clever: 0.30 ?:P
[17:01:32] juski: motion detection code is pretty easy & already part of commflagging code
[17:01:33] RyeBrye: Yeah, 0.30 :)
[17:01:35] clever: 0.20000001?
[17:01:51] RyeBrye: yeah, but the motion isn't the important part – it'd have to probably have algorithms for each show
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[17:03:51] RyeBrye: Like on "Deal or No Deal" you could have it flag based on closed caption data have it only show the parts about 10 seconds before Howie Mandel ACTUALLY asks – and then cut to right when they open the briefcase... etc. :)
[17:03:57] RyeBrye: You could watch the entire show in 5 minutes
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[17:09:23] ** jams becomes super annoyed with packaging myth2ipod **
[17:13:08] xris: jams: could just use nuvexport
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[17:13:54] jams: is uses nuvexport, but also gives the ability to setup an rss feed for itunes
[17:14:03] xris: jams: ahh. forgot about that
[17:14:09] kslater: xris – nuvexport supports output in mpg?
[17:14:15] jams: or so i have been told..have yet to try it
[17:14:19] xris: kslater: and a bunch of other formats, yes.
[17:14:50] kslater: that would be option 5? DVD format?
[17:15:13] kslater: I don't see mpg on the list of options is all
[17:15:35] xris: kslater: dvd, svcd, vcd
[17:15:38] xris: depends on what kind of mpg you want
[17:16:28] kslater: let's say mpeg2
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[17:16:51] xris: kslater: both svcd and dvd do that
[17:17:26] kslater: ko, I'll try it now.
[17:19:06] xris: kslater: only real reason you'd want mpeg2 is to burn to disk.
[17:19:15] xris: for software players, there are far better formats available
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[17:24:32] kslater: xris: I need a sample to convert to my daughter's ChiPod and it is picky about the input format. mpeg2 will working nicely.
[17:24:44] xris: chipod?
[17:24:54] kslater: ipod nano knockoffs
[17:25:34] xris: ah
[17:25:54] xris: you'll probably have to hack up the svcd module
[17:26:03] xris: I use the ipod export for ipod. works much nicer.
[17:26:21] kslater: ipod is h.264?
[17:26:48] xris: but chipod may not support mp4
[17:26:51] xris: h.264 or mpeg4
[17:26:54] xris: in an mp4 container
[17:27:42] kslater: you are correct chipods have their own format. very low res. basically low framerate synchronized to the mp3 stream.
[17:28:08] kslater: but what the heck it's inexpensive and way more than she asked for.
[17:31:53] xris: heh
[17:32:25] kslater: she only asked for an mp3 player with more space, this one has 4x her current mp3 player
[17:32:49] xris: cool
[17:36:48] livingtm: xris Im using the myth2ipod script to "podcast" my mythtv recordings to my ipod video. kick-ass.
[17:37:37] xris: that'll hopefully eventually all be available in mythweb.
[17:37:59] livingtm: its very cool. I want to break out each show into its own rss feed. havent gotten that far yet
[17:38:20] squidly[work]: xris, yea that would be nice. it would also be nice to have somepay to import mp3's and podcasts in to mythmusic :D
[17:39:22] livingtm: i was thinking of using the amarok engine to drive mythmusic, or vise versa
[17:39:36] livingtm: so you have the same music library no matter where your accessing it
[17:39:47] squidly[work]: livingtm, yea that would rock
[17:39:54] juski: livingtm: amarok is prolly too crashy for most people
[17:40:03] livingtm: then show the context info on scren :-)
[17:40:04] juski: and utterly dependant on KDE libs
[17:40:19] squidly[work]: juski, I like amarok it works pretty well
[17:40:19] livingtm: juski, yeah i agree... maybe its worth a parallel project though :-)
[17:40:23] xris: squidly[work]: I'd love to see vid/podcast support in mythvideo and mythmusic...
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[17:40:32] livingtm: xris agree agree
[17:40:37] xris: web stream support is seriously lacking in mythtv, but unfortunately no one seems interested in doing the work.
[17:40:37] juski: livingtm: plus you have to convinvce the lead developers :-P
[17:40:45] livingtm: or just make my own plugin ;-)
[17:40:47] livingtm: :-P
[17:40:49] livingtm: HEHE
[17:40:55] squidly[work]: xris, I may do that once I get my server working
[17:40:59] juski: xris: maybe people just don't care enough about web2.0 ;)
[17:41:23] livingtm: i think its really cool to integrate the same media on your desktop computer with the media center
[17:41:24] squidly[work]: juski, I thought we were at web3.5 now.. ;)
[17:41:39] livingtm: same databases.. same taged photos, mp3s, etc
[17:41:43] juski: I think youtube et al really suck. how's that fit in?
[17:42:06] kslater: juski is not on the web 2.0 train methinks
[17:42:16] kslater: or maybe he just likes video with decent quality
[17:42:16] juski: the bandwagon you mean? ;)
[17:42:28] kslater: whichever
[17:42:37] juski: decent technical quality, decent artistic quality... etc
[17:42:51] livingtm: it would be cool to browse the web, and have a tool bar function to "Send video/audio/rss to my media center"
[17:42:51] kslater: it's pretty blech for the most part
[17:43:12] juski: livingtm: it'd be cooler if 'center' was spelled correctly :D
[17:43:19] livingtm: centre?
[17:43:28] juski: and you just say 'myth box' :)
[17:44:01] livingtm: that would show total and complete dedication to myth's developers :-)
[17:44:21] livingtm: I love myth, i have 4 boxes in my house
[17:44:23] juski: bow down!
[17:44:26] livingtm: ha
[17:44:26] livingtm: :-)
[17:47:21] kslater: juski: re our discussion yesterday about not watching live tv. Was watching the NBA game last night and I forgot to schedule it. Kept trying to hit the fast forward key when a commercial break began. It was a painful lesson about scheduling.
[17:47:51] livingtm: in fact i just got the LCD display working on my sivlerstone box last night. what a cool feature
[17:48:30] kslater: livingtm: which case?
[17:48:35] juski: I'm still totally unswayed by the prospect of tiddly little secondary displays
[17:48:54] livingtm: kslater, the super slim one... LC11B
[17:49:35] livingtm: kslater, its a pretty cool case but there are a few things that i hate about it
[17:50:08] livingtm: kslater, first off the blue LED on the front for power and HDD are so goddamn bright they hurt your eyes in a media room
[17:50:29] livingtm: great for a PC, not so great for a home theater
[17:51:16] kslater: what's the lcd module?
[17:51:32] livingtm: juski, i tend to agree.. but the clock is nice, scrolling track name is nice if your TV isnt on
[17:51:44] livingtm: kslater, "imon"
[17:51:54] juski: oo imons aren't too bad
[17:52:29] livingtm: juski, yeah its good quality, not too bright, it doesnt scream out at you with BS and no substance..
[17:52:30] kslater: I think a buddy has a silverstone case that I'm supposed help with this weekend. What did you have to do to get the drivers for the LCD?
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[17:53:22] livingtm: oh it took me a couple of hours, but thats because the lcdproc daemon was using the device, and everytime i tried to test the device i got "permission denied" ... eventually i figured it out
[17:53:43] kslater: he bought the LC16M
[17:53:53] kslater: looks nice on his stereo rack
[17:53:54] livingtm: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3064 . . . c+VFD+fusion
[17:54:01] livingtm: that worked well for me
[17:54:07] livingtm: (on ubuntu)
[17:54:15] kslater: coolness, bookmarking it.
[17:54:19] juski: anyway... time to go & get drinks
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[17:54:52] livingtm: kslater, is his a shorty case?
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[17:57:00] SiD3WiNDR: hehe
[17:57:03] SiD3WiNDR: I have the imon too
[17:57:12] SiD3WiNDR: remote working with lirc too
[17:57:20] SiD3WiNDR: but not lirc with myth :/
[17:57:36] livingtm: SiD3WiNDR, oh yeah? i havent gotten that far yet
[17:57:36] kslater: livingtm: no, it's the size of an audio receiver
[17:58:10] kslater: veganmyth.blogspot.com
[17:58:22] livingtm: kslater, you might have better luck than i did. I was able to cram all the hardware in (the PVR500 tuners, hd's, etc) but the motherboard with onboard video is so damn close to the edge of the case the connectors dont fit right
[17:58:25] kslater: there are some awful pics on there
[17:58:59] livingtm: and the micro-ATX power supply makes a funny hum, even when the unit is off
[17:59:23] livingtm: but the case is built well and looks slicker than shit when its all buttoned up
[18:02:12] SiD3WiNDR: ooh, that's tiny
[18:03:04] ** SiD3WiNDR has a LC10 **
[18:03:14] SiD3WiNDR: LC10M even
[18:03:34] Fony_Vaio: silverstone do _slick_ cases.
[18:04:15] Fony_Vaio: i could only afford the antec nsk2400 for my new build, but i'm very happy with it, nonetheless, cheap, decent psu, good cooling / airflow design, and cheap. :D
[18:04:39] SiD3WiNDR: mm, freak.
[18:04:42] gbee: Fony_Vaio: scanning is undergoing some work atm
[18:04:46] janneg: does anyone want to know the diffrence between MythTV and vdr? http://tikei.de/what_a_difference.jpg
[18:04:47] SiD3WiNDR: you join, I say LC10 and you know it's silverstone :P
[18:05:13] SiD3WiNDR: lol janneg
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[18:05:28] Fony_Vaio: SiD3WiNDR: lol, i could have another nick in here ;). but no, I have done some research, and i like those cases. :D
[18:05:42] gbee: janneg: rofl
[18:05:49] Fony_Vaio: gbee: so it's broken...?
[18:06:31] gbee: Fony_Vaio: I would guess so, although the last time I scanned it was working, it just deleted all my xmltvids ;)
[18:06:58] janneg: to be fair, they have another bigger TV
[18:07:21] Fony_Vaio: gbee: hm, i seem to remember having a similar problem once before, and there was a workaround / fix. Could it be something specific to my dvb cards? I'm using philips chipset Nova-T's
[18:07:52] gbee: Fony_Vaio: there used to be a timeout problem with some models, but afaik that was fixed
[18:08:18] gbee: Fony_Vaio: janneg might actually know more that me
[18:08:19] janneg: Fony_Vaio: it might be a reception problem
[18:08:36] Fony_Vaio: gbee: hm, ok i still think i'm probably missing something stupid (at least before i blame a bug i can't put my finger on in the software).
[18:08:51] Fony_Vaio: janneg: Already checked, reception is fine.
[18:09:11] gbee: Fony_Vaio: what sort of scan are you doing?
[18:09:33] janneg: there was a nasty bug caused by incomplete packets read from that exact model type
[18:09:34] Fony_Vaio: omg, i really am that stupid
[18:09:44] Fony_Vaio: gbee: full, but nvm
[18:09:48] janneg: but it's fixed
[18:09:56] Fony_Vaio: my fault guys, don't worry
[18:10:08] Fony_Vaio: tda1004x: waiting for firmware upload (dvb-fe-tda10045.fw)...
[18:10:08] Fony_Vaio: tda1004x: no firmware upload (timeout or file not found?)
[18:10:08] Fony_Vaio: tda1004x: firmware upload failed
[18:10:17] Fony_Vaio: gah, i'm so stupid sometimes
[18:11:34] gbee: well at least it saved me running a scan and wiping out my xmltvid and channel icons again
[18:12:00] Fony_Vaio: oh, i would have felt even worse.... phew
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[18:14:35] Fony_Vaio: gah, get_dvb_firmware gives me a 404
[18:14:48] janneg: gbee: Have you heard of database backups?
[18:15:02] janneg: :)
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[18:23:08] directhex: tee hee, the specified maximum weight for a socket 755 cooler is 450g
[18:25:52] gardengnome: socket 775 is a wimp
[18:26:10] Fony_Vaio: directhex: someone tell that to the guys at zalman
[18:26:56] directhex: Fony_Vaio, they're ALL over the maximum. except the stock cooler, i suppose
[18:30:03] Fony_Vaio: directhex: saying that, i would have thought the way that the stock coolers tend to bend the pcb would do more damage than a few extra grams bolted on
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[18:32:41] Fony_Vaio: it's alive! (and scanning, too!)
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[18:36:15] directhex: WTF! http://img.hexus.net/v2/cooling/775megatest/C . . . se/mobo1.jpg
[18:39:28] Fony_Vaio: nice
[18:39:38] Fony_Vaio: i've seen 'em worse than this, too. http://www.virtual-hideout.net/reviews/ecs_c19a_sli/P4920D17.jpg
[18:40:23] directhex: http://img.hexus.net/v2/cooling/775megatest/C . . . II/mobo2.jpg
[18:40:24] directhex: i win :p
[18:40:45] Fony_Vaio: directhex: not quite so fast... ;) http://www.zalman.co.kr/images/pr/computex2005/image24.jpg
[18:41:04] directhex: that's a mockup!
[18:41:10] opello: haha
[18:41:17] Fony_Vaio: lol
[18:42:00] directhex: those two i linkes are real, shipping products!
[18:42:10] directhex: look at the second one again. space for TWO 120mm fans, HORIZONTALLY
[18:43:21] Fony_Vaio: yeah, although there is major overhang, it's still pretty sweet
[18:43:45] Fony_Vaio: lots of airflow over ram, and power components around the zif, as well as chipset, etc
[18:45:43] directhex: they're releasing new coolers under the blue orb name!
[18:45:46] directhex: retrotastic!
[18:45:53] Fony_Vaio: gardengnome: si-128?
[18:46:01] hugolp: Fony_Vaio: why the hell you need something like that?
[18:46:33] gardengnome: Fony_Vaio: yes. i saw it picture where it was mounted on a mainboard. it bent the PCB. :(
[18:46:46] Fony_Vaio: hugolp: keeps a toledo x2 4800+ nice and cool... at 5V  :D
[18:47:19] directhex: http://img.hexus.net/v2/cooling/775megatest/T . . . /cooler2.jpg – built-in peltier :x
[18:47:26] Fony_Vaio: gardengnome: nasty... although i suppose with htpc's it's not so much a problem if they're kept upright.
[18:48:39] Fony_Vaio: directhex: nice, although i'm not sure about the wisdom of taking up a pci slot... maybe they could have found a use for pci-e x1 :P
[18:49:29] directhex: here's a real-size version from earlier: http://img.hexus.net/v2/cooling/775megatest/Zalman9700/mobo2.jpg
[18:49:55] directhex: it's small, compared to some. good god, it's small :x
[18:50:03] gardengnome: darn, RAM is getting more expensive again :(
[18:50:12] kormoc: hugolp, overclocking
[18:50:23] Fony_Vaio: gardengnome: ram is cheap!
[18:50:34] hugolp: but thall be noisy as hell
[18:50:37] gardengnome: yes. very cheap.
[18:50:37] directhex: gardengnome, depends on the speed you get. pc5300 is dirt cheap at the moment
[18:50:52] gardengnome: a good time to buy an am2 based HTPC, i suppose.
[18:51:00] Fony_Vaio: indeed
[18:51:09] directhex: am2? why?
[18:51:32] gardengnome: directhex: because it takes DDR2. ;)
[18:51:33] Fony_Vaio: our supplier is offering us kingston 5300 1gb sticks for under 20 quid a piece atm.
[18:51:47] directhex: gardengnome, so buy intel!
[18:51:55] directhex: right, must cook dinnar
[18:52:02] Fony_Vaio: c2d is hard to beat....
[18:52:08] gardengnome: directhex: no. intel is too expensive.
[18:52:11] gardengnome: amd is good. :)
[18:52:45] gardengnome: i was gonna get an nforce 3 250 mainboard and a cheap sempron. it doesn't get any cheaper than that :)
[18:52:48] directhex: amd's slow! they've slashed prces because no bugger wants their slow chips!
[18:52:51] bluey: mhh but those onboard intel GFXs are pretty good
[18:52:54] Fony_Vaio: get one of the new low end e6x20 (which are cheap) and clock 'em up a bit, they hardly put out any more heat 'cause they seldom need more juice to hit the higher clocks.
[18:53:19] gardengnome: bluey: i'd need proper tv-out or at least a chip that can do interlaced modelines. i'm not sure if intel can do that
[18:53:47] gardengnome: Fony_Vaio: no overclocking for me anymore, thanks. besides, i need five pci slots and one gp slot.
[18:53:57] Fony_Vaio: gardengnome: check out i810 (i think that's the module for the current gma's)
[18:54:08] directhex: tv-out? retro!
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[18:54:24] bluey: yeah had the same problem in the past but moved to an lcd
[18:54:25] directhex: buy amd, put the cash you save towards a nice hdtv
[18:54:31] Fony_Vaio: gardengnome: can be a pain getting hold of good quality full atx boards with integrated graphics.
[18:54:51] directhex: £350 buys a decent screen these days
[18:55:09] Fony_Vaio: i ended up splashing out on a passive 7600GS, just in the hope i might get some nice x264 acceleration in the future.
[18:55:16] directhex: 5 pci slots basically means an ancient board. you won't fit c2d in it. even am2 is pretty wishful thinking
[18:55:38] Fony_Vaio: why all the pci slots, anyway?
[18:55:40] directhex: the most pci slots i've seen on a recent board is 4 – and that's a £180 board
[18:55:43] gardengnome: directhex: TBH, i don't care about a HDTV set. i won't be getting HD footage for another few years. i'll get myself a nice 16:9 CRT SDTV and that's it. i'll be using an RGB connection over SCART. i doubt that a HDTV set can look better.
[18:56:12] gardengnome: Fony_Vaio: i've got four tuners and i want room for more.
[18:56:13] bluey: Fony_Vaio: why do you buy things for hope? why didn't you buy a cheap card and waited?
[18:56:15] Fony_Vaio: gardengnome: come over to my house and i'll introduce you to 1080p if you like ;-)
[18:56:19] fysa: your 16:9 CRT SDTV will definitely look better with SD content. (much better)
[18:56:20] anykey__:
[18:56:29] Fony_Vaio: gardengnome: get dual-tuner cards? they're cheap.
[18:56:41] fysa: but need for HD is really dependent on the size of your display.
[18:56:59] gardengnome: fysa: yes. i know. SDTV looks crappy on a HDTV set, unless it's a really expensive one.
[18:57:03] Fony_Vaio: bluey: 'cause i secretly wanted to see beryl on a 40" screen at 1920x1080. :-P lol
[18:57:16] fysa: Above 36", 720p starts to be worthwhile. Above 50, 1080p starts to be worthwhile..
[18:57:18] bluey: hrr
[18:57:19] gardengnome: Fony_Vaio: i could get 1080p, but there's no point for me. i simply don't need it and i can hardly afford it.
[18:57:57] fysa: Above 60, less than 720p is hardly worthwhile.. and above 100, less than 1080p starts to become noticable.
[18:58:08] Fony_Vaio: gardengnome: fair do's, for me the tv kinda doubles up as a desktop, too.. so the res is very handy for desktop work.
[19:06:17] directhex: anykey__, using which chipset?
[19:06:39] anykey__: directhex: nvidia ones
[19:06:47] directhex: gardengnome, agp? remember what i was saying about antiquity?
[19:07:06] gardengnome: directhex: so what? i've got two perfectly good AGP cards here i can use.
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[19:08:49] directhex: gardengnome, i guess buying new old components seems odd to me
[19:09:39] gardengnome: directhex: i'm poor. and some old stuff just suits my needs better. like old mainboards with *five* pci slots. or ATI graphic cards with sane (OSS) drivers.
[19:11:48] Fony_Vaio: good points
[19:12:18] gardengnome: how am i supposed to build a master backend with only three pci slots?
[19:12:20] gardengnome: ;)
[19:12:30] anykey__: gardengnome: use usb tuners :p
[19:13:33] gardengnome: [..] while keeping my sanity?
[19:13:42] directhex: long-term, it's a question that needs addressing
[19:13:44] kormoc: firewire!
[19:13:56] directhex: because boards are getting fewer and fewer pci slots
[19:14:27] gardengnome: directhex: i don't mind using pcie hardware. it's just that it's not readily available and i have to pay for it while my existing hardware is still good
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[19:35:36] RyeBrye: I saw in the SVN notes that some of the mfd branch is getting merged into the mythmusic – (such as the mp3act stuff)
[19:35:54] RyeBrye: anyone know if the stuff to make it access itunes shares is going to get merged in?
[19:42:46] gbee: hmm, that must be old – nobody has talked of merging that stuff in for a long time
[19:43:53] kash: lol i just saw a sprint commercial where the guy ordered 200 oxen and got 200 dachsunds
[19:44:21] Fony_Vaio: apart from the themes in the pack i always download with the debs, are there any other use contributed ones I should know about?
[19:44:35] gbee: www.juski.co.uk
[19:44:57] gbee: http://home.comcast.net/~zdzisekg/
[19:45:23] gbee: that covers all the good ones imho
[19:45:41] gbee: there is also a wiki page for themes, you might find some more there
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[19:47:50] Fony_Vaio: gbee: thanks! I'm officially in love with project grayhem, it matches my setup perfectly :D
[19:47:53] kash: i'm afk, going to work :(
[19:50:37] gbee: might give mepo a go for a while, I'm using blootube-wide atm and whilst I really like it, I feel like trying something different for a bit
[19:52:30] directhex: gbee, don't let juski hear you!
[19:53:01] Fony_Vaio: lol
[19:53:01] gbee: juski! I'm trying mepo! ;)
[19:54:08] sphery: Fony_Vaio: Do you like the "classic" Grayhem or the brand-new updated (in the last week or so) one? (I hope it's the latter.)
[19:54:26] directhex: gbee, he's not here right now. try saying his name in front of a mirror three times
[19:56:39] tha_toadman: mepo looks pretty sharp – thanks for the link gbee
[19:56:45] sphery: I'm guessing it's the new one--he's already updated his screenshots.
[19:56:57] sphery: Just noticed that Grayhem isn't on the wiki page...
[19:57:21] Fony_Vaio: sphery: I have only seen the screenies, they both look great, tbh. But I'll reserve final judgement until i see them on my panel.
[19:58:29] sphery: I like blootubelite-wide, but i pronounce it "blue tub elite wide" to make it more fun
[19:58:58] gardengnome: i like what juski did with mythmusic in neon-wide.
[19:59:06] ** gardengnome sobs because he's only got at 4:3 display **
[19:59:45] gbee: gardengnome: that was borrowed from mepo, but yeah I like it
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[19:59:57] matt271: hi hi alls
[20:00:12] matt271: i am a linux newbiew old MCE user trying to setup mythtv
[20:00:23] gbee: shows that it's possible, even within the current mythmusic to make it less ugly
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[20:01:35] matt271: i have i have mythbackend running for sure, but mythfrontend keeps saying its not able to connect to it
[20:02:39] gbee: matt271: may be the IP that it's configured to use – ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt
[20:03:18] gbee: or that the backend appears to be running, but actually stopped because it encountered an error when it was starting up
[20:03:30] matt271: hwo do i test that?
[20:03:45] matt271: this textfile has no ips in it
[20:03:54] matt271: should i change the localhost to 127.0.0.1?
[20:04:02] gardengnome: no.
[20:04:18] gardengnome: matt271: open mythtv-setup and verify that the ips in there are correct
[20:04:31] matt271: it is i checked. 127.0.0.1
[20:04:59] matt271: why does this have to be so complicated w/ backends and front ends and crap? why cant it just be 1 program u run and thats it
[20:05:56] Fony_Vaio: heh
[20:06:02] gbee: matt271: if you want that, then stick with MCE – mythtv is designed to scale
[20:06:16] directhex: matt271, so you can have a massive, noisy server with ten tuners in a wardrobe, and tiny machines throughout your hosue to watch tv with
[20:06:24] gardengnome: because it prevents people who can't spell properly from running it
[20:06:25] gbee: you can have one backend and twenty frontends
[20:06:26] gardengnome: *sigh*
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[20:06:32] Fony_Vaio: matt271: so that multiple frontends can connect to a backend in order to use it's resources (ie. tv cards, recordings, music, etc)
[20:08:03] matt271: yeah thats neat and all but why cant each individual front end also be able to be setup locally? then u could use the servers hardware plus ur own
[20:08:23] GreyFoxx: huh?
[20:08:31] GreyFoxx: Who said you couldn't configure the frontend locally ?
[20:08:46] matt271: i just asked that like 3 msgs ago and some1 said u cant and explained this server thing :|
[20:08:47] GreyFoxx: You can run a backend on the same machine as afrontend
[20:09:02] matt271: yeah but thats not what i ment
[20:09:03] GreyFoxx: It's not a single application because it'se networked based
[20:09:09] GreyFoxx: nothing stopping you from running them on asingle machine
[20:09:56] matt271: say u had a server w/ a huge hdd full of movies and crap. then u had a pc in ur living room w/ a frontend to the server on it. but say that comp also had movies on its own hdd, can u access them both at the same time?
[20:10:07] GreyFoxx: yes
[20:10:13] matt271: how?
[20:10:18] gbee: at least the auto-discovery should end all this
[20:10:28] GreyFoxx: You configure mythvideo to read from both locations
[20:10:41] GreyFoxx: You can place multiple directories in it's configuration to find files
[20:10:47] GreyFoxx: one can be a network mount, 1 can be local
[20:10:57] GreyFoxx: or point to a single locaiton and mount the remote server under there
[20:11:03] GreyFoxx: I do exactly that
[20:11:17] GreyFoxx: I have 2 tb servers in the house, and all frontends can play from both of them
[20:11:26] ** directhex doesn't think extensibility, scalability or features will lure the click-and-drool crowd **
[20:12:02] gbee: I won't lose any sleep over it
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[20:18:29] ** Fony_Vaio ponders whether to use 320GB drives or 750GB drives for his new array.... **
[20:20:09] Fony_Vaio: i gain like a tb with raid5 on a £450 budget (8hd's vs 3)
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[20:20:58] Fony_Vaio: but then what if i need more than 2.5TB... can't be dealing with lots more hd's... 8 is already a little crazy
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[20:21:26] directhex: i have 8x250
[20:21:42] Fony_Vaio: directhex: ever feel you'll need to expand that?
[20:22:05] directhex: Fony_Vaio, not really. not until i catch wind of a disk i'd trust
[20:22:23] directhex: a disk over 250gb, anyway
[20:23:09] Fony_Vaio: hm, i know what you mean, although the thought of so much space is so tempting...
[20:23:24] directhex: >2TiB is somewhat more involved to use, though
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[20:23:52] Fony_Vaio: how so?
[20:24:11] directhex: ms-dos partition tables have a 2TiB limit
[20:24:45] Fony_Vaio: but why would i use a msdos part table?
[20:24:57] directhex: because you can't boot anything else on x86 :)
[20:25:12] directhex: GPT won't save you
[20:25:13] Fony_Vaio: but i don't need to boot off the array, surely?
[20:25:27] directhex: you have a separate system disk?
[20:25:33] Fony_Vaio: sure, why not
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[20:25:52] directhex: well, because it's ANOTHER disk in the system, without any backup in case of failure
[20:26:00] Fony_Vaio: true, i suppose
[20:39:20] Fony_Vaio: is there a config option to allow myth to accept input from lirc?
[20:40:20] Fony_Vaio: i've gotten to the point where irw registers the buttons pressed, and lircd runs at boot, however in gnome and myth there is no response when i press a button on the remote
[20:40:39] matt271: u hgave to write a .lircrc file
[20:41:31] Anduin: ~/.mythtv/lircrc for myth
[20:43:04] Fony_Vaio: ahh
[20:45:07] Fony_Vaio: anyone have preferences for particular deinterlacing methods?
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[20:45:59] gardengnome: YES
[20:46:01] gardengnome: sry
[20:46:09] xris: Fony_Vaio: deinterlace sort of depends on your setup
[20:47:06] Fony_Vaio: well, i'm using nvidia binary driver, xvmc and bob at the moment. But bob makes the osd flicker strangely, so i've gone back to kernel.
[20:47:37] xris: bob requires that you configure your screen refresh rate to be 2x the framerate of the video you're watching
[20:47:46] xris: for standard stuff, I prefer linear blend.
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[20:49:05] Fony_Vaio: xris: hrm, k i'll give it a go. Is xvmc the standard for that kinda setup?
[20:51:26] xris: I don't use xvmc. I actually seem to get worse performance with it. plus, no color osd on newer cards
[20:51:55] Fony_Vaio: ah, maybe xv will be better then
[20:52:08] mark487: i've had some scheduling/timing drifting, and found that my mythbox's clock runs slowly. ~1min/day
[20:52:08] mark487: anyone know how i can tweak the clock speed? Or have the sys autosync clock daily?
[20:52:21] Anduin: mark487: ntp
[20:54:24] mark487: my mythdora setup will let my sync manually, but dunno how to set it to do so daily...
[20:54:24] mark487: thx Anduin, i'm reading
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[20:54:54] Fony_Vaio: mark487: I had the same problem, ntp solved it. And for safety, i set up global record early / finish late by a few mins.
[20:54:54] tha_toadman: i used ntpd in ubuntu alternate for "autosync"
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[20:57:47] mark487: hmm, ntp seems cool. I'm a newbie — any advice on how to get my mythdora box to autosync 1x-2x daily?
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[20:59:52] Anduin: mark487: look at /etc/ntpd.conf (if you enable ntpd it will probably just "work")
[20:59:54] xris: mark487: system-config-date
[21:06:31] J-e-f-f-A: Anyone hanging out here using a Plextor ConvertX box?
[21:07:37] jams: J-e-f-f-A- guess that means it's still not working for you
[21:08:57] gardengnome: what's broken?
[21:09:02] J-e-f-f-A: jams: Yeah, not completely yet... I didn't have any time to workon it yesterday...
[21:09:24] J-e-f-f-A: gardengnome: I'm missing something... It should be showing up as a video device, right?
[21:10:00] J-e-f-f-A: It shows up in 'lsusb'
[21:10:24] J-e-f-f-A: And the firmware (apparently) gets loaded ok by udev (no errors that I can see, but maybe I'm looking in all the wrong places...)
[21:12:40] J-e-f-f-A: I dunno... I'll pick it up again when I get home in a couple of hours... I'll get it working *EVENTUALLY*...
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[21:17:04] RyeBrye: I've got an idea for a livetv-watching enhancement that I've brought up before, but been called an idiot for wanting it...
[21:17:09] J-e-f-f-A: gardengnome: Humm.. perhaps the firmware isn't getting downloaded-- a grep of dmesg dosn't show any hits on "go7007"...
[21:17:12] RyeBrye: but it's been a while, so I'll bring itup again
[21:17:49] RyeBrye: ... I think it would be nice if you could have a setting so that you could have at least one (maybe all) tuners just constantly spooling crap to a buffer – like an hour buffer or something
[21:18:08] RyeBrye: so when you turn on live TV you can always rewind
[21:18:59] RyeBrye: That's how TiVo functions – it always has a buffer for whatever channel you are on
[21:19:01] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: Who watches "Live TV" anymore?!?  ;-)
[21:19:07] RyeBrye: I hardly ever do :)
[21:19:09] RyeBrye: BUT
[21:19:13] RyeBrye: late at night...
[21:19:17] RyeBrye: nothing better to do.. .:)
[21:19:52] RyeBrye: The thing I like about that kind of a buffer is that you can jump around and change settings and it's like the device is just always working
[21:19:54] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: Solution: just hit "R" when you're in LiveTV, then that program will get recorded. You can exit to the menu, and go back to it whenever.... 5 mins, 20 mins, tomorrow...
[21:20:00] RyeBrye: Yeah, I nkow :)
[21:20:19] RyeBrye: but I also like the buffer auto-expiring.. etc. and automatically doing it so I dont'have to think about it
[21:20:25] RyeBrye: but yeah, I nkow there are ways to mimick that functionality
[21:20:51] RyeBrye: Or if you had it buffer with both tuners, it would be nice to be able to jump between the tuners and have them have crap in the livetv group still being buffered
[21:22:02] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: You can do that now, manually. Go into LiveTV, tune in channel #1. Then press "Y" to get another tuner, and tune in channel #2. Pressing Y will get you back to the other tuner... and if you've only got 2 tuners, back and forth...
[21:22:20] RyeBrye: When I hop back to the first tuner, it doesn't have anything cached does it?
[21:22:26] RyeBrye: or does it?
[21:23:09] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: Umm.. I'm not sure about that... I think that it keeps the livetv buffer recording until the tuner is needed again, but I'm not sure... If you're at your box, try it out... (I'm at work)
[21:23:19] RyeBrye: I'm not, I'm at work :)
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[21:23:25] RyeBrye: I'll play around with it a bit tonight
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[21:24:07] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: About the only thing I use LiveTV for is to test my tuners and channel-changing scripts.
[21:24:38] RyeBrye: yeah. When I brought this up a while ago I realized that hardly any advanced users or developers use LiveTV
[21:25:13] ** J-e-f-f-A WOW, RyeBrye called me an "Advanced User!"  ;-) **
[21:25:24] RyeBrye: ... I wasn't done ;)
[21:26:01] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: Yeah, maybe I am... I've been at least dabbling with mythtv for about 2–1/2 years now... ;-) Fully-live for about 1–1/2 years now...
[21:26:31] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: But I'm still a n00b on a bunch of fronts... the ConvertX is one example... ;-)
[21:26:31] RyeBrye: yeah, I've been playing around with it for about 6 months and it became my main production DVR this past week
[21:27:26] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: Although, after seeing the "LinuxMCE" video, I may just switch...  ;-) <<<--- HIGHLY SARCASTIC COMMENT!
[21:27:52] RyeBrye: I thought LinuxMCE was just MythTV slapped on a ubuntu system or something
[21:28:00] RyeBrye: what runs LinuxMCE?
[21:28:36] hugolp: linuxmce is a whole home automation system
[21:28:39] Fnc: the gui looks cool
[21:28:44] hugolp: uses mythtv as pvr
[21:28:49] RyeBrye: Oh
[21:28:54] RyeBrye: Interesting. Does it do X10 stuff?
[21:28:57] Fnc: mythtv is suppose to plug into LMCE
[21:29:07] hugolp: yes but x10 is not the best solution
[21:29:12] Fnc: does home automation
[21:29:19] RyeBrye: Yeah, but X10 is probably the cheapest solution :)
[21:29:23] ** RyeBrye is cheap **
[21:29:23] Fnc: and zoneminder
[21:29:24] hugolp: not really
[21:29:32] RyeBrye: What's cheaper / better than x10?
[21:29:41] ** J-e-f-f-A loves X10... 60% of his house is X10, the rest is flourscent... **
[21:29:50] gbee: getting up and walking to the lightswitch
[21:29:54] RyeBrye: :)
[21:30:10] RyeBrye: They have X-10 Flourescent lightswitches
[21:30:13] J-e-f-f-A: With a little web shopping, modules can be had for $5–10 new...
[21:30:21] hugolp: RyeBrye: z-wave is just a little bit more expensive than X10 and its more reliable and completely wireless
[21:30:28] RyeBrye: Hmm
[21:30:39] RyeBrye: but was it developed in the late 1970's?
[21:30:40] RyeBrye: ;)
[21:30:47] hugolp: hehe
[21:30:47] ** J-e-f-f-A doesn't think anything wireless is very reliable... **
[21:31:01] hugolp: RyeBrye: but keep in mind that linuxmce is young
[21:31:08] RyeBrye: Yeah, true
[21:31:09] hugolp: it needs a lot of work to make it work
[21:31:23] RyeBrye: I wasn't really planning on runnning Linux MCE
[21:31:26] gardengnome: hugolp: like mythdora and knoppmyth? :)
[21:31:31] RyeBrye: I'm going to run some X10 stuff in my house
[21:31:34] hugolp: I mean if you are lucky on the hardware it might work straight out of the box
[21:31:41] hugolp: but if you are not...
[21:32:02] J-e-f-f-A: hugolp: But that's not what they say in their intro video!!! Everything is detected and works automatically! All you have to do is insert the cd, press the power button, and pick up your remote.
[21:32:16] RyeBrye: I found a bunch of linux X10 drivers that make x10 devices accessible as /dev/x10 stuff
[21:32:26] hugolp: J-e-f-f-A: if you pick the right hardware to run it on, that happens
[21:32:34] hugolp: its actually a very good base system
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[21:32:35] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: Really?!?  ;-) Can you shoot me a link or two?
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[21:32:45] RyeBrye: Yeah, it's pretty slick looking
[21:32:55] hugolp: the design is very good, its just need a little more work
[21:33:10] RyeBrye: I've got the CM117A serial controller already – and at christmas time I used heyu to control them from my command line  – but the wish project looks pretty powerful
[21:33:32] RyeBrye: It has an API and it has a bunch of stuff you can just use in shell scripts
[21:34:12] J-e-f-f-A: I'll have to setup the X10 interface on my Myth box and create a mythweb plugin...
[21:34:24] RyeBrye: If you do it, I'll help you test it :)
[21:34:27] J-e-f-f-A: I'll have fun playing with the lights from work while I'm not home.. ;-)
[21:34:48] RyeBrye: Then get an X10 controlled video camera and have it pipe into mythweb so you can watch it all happen
[21:35:11] J-e-f-f-A: Ohhaa haa ga gaa! I could drive my wife and son crazy...  ;-)
[21:35:24] RyeBrye: I'm going to put motion control lights in all of my closets
[21:35:39] RyeBrye: I hate having to turn lights on in closets or turn them off when I have my arms full of stuff
[21:36:05] RyeBrye: that project wish supports running some kind of logger stuff too – so you can log when certain x10 events happened and track stuff
[21:36:12] RyeBrye: like when doors got opened or other things
[21:36:15] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: They also make special switches that activate when the door is open... Much cheaper than a motion detector...
[21:36:22] RyeBrye: Oh, really?
[21:36:36] RyeBrye: Ebay store has 3 motion sensors for $15 I think
[21:36:45] mark487: belated thx, anduin & xris.
[21:37:16] RyeBrye: http://cgi.ebay.com/3-PK-X10-EagleEye-Motion- . . . cmdZViewItem
[21:37:21] RyeBrye: That might not be the cheapest one
[21:37:48] RyeBrye: I'll look into the door switch thing though
[21:37:58] RyeBrye: I'll probably still need some motion sensors for my garage
[21:38:27] RyeBrye: The garage door opener has it's puny light on it, but it would be nice to have the overhead lights turn on automatically too – and then turn off without use – both when I drive home and when I go out there to get stuff
[21:39:24] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: Yeah, I've got a couple of those. I'm only using one atm... At my back door. Sometimes it doesn't trigger when I want it to, sometimes it triggers with just the wind...
[21:39:38] RyeBrye: Oh, that's kind of annoying if wind can trigger it
[21:39:50] J-e-f-f-A: They take two AAA batteries, and last a year or so...
[21:40:35] RyeBrye: You don't know if there are any inline fan controls, do you?
[21:40:37] ** J-e-f-f-A would love to have a garage to keep his 1973 Chevelle in... **
[21:40:49] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: I have wall-switch ones... from x10.com
[21:41:22] RyeBrye: Some of the ceiling fans I want to control don't have wall switches
[21:41:55] RyeBrye: I could pull them so they were always on, and then use an X10 switch wired in the ceiling to control if they were powered on or not, but it doesn't have its own indepentent switch
[21:41:57] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: Well, that's not to say you couldn't put the wall switch module in the attic... it just wouldn't be used without an x10 remote...
[21:42:05] RyeBrye: true
[21:42:14] RyeBrye: I could just wire the wall switch inline... hmm
[21:42:25] RyeBrye: I haven't been up to my crawl space area – it's not a full attic
[21:42:35] RyeBrye: don't know how much wiggle room I have up there
[21:43:03] RyeBrye: Do you use any X10 thermostat controls?
[21:43:31] RyeBrye: I was thinking of setting up my stuff so I had an X10 controlled thermostat and some X10 controlled fans – have the ceiling fans automatically kick on at a certain temp and then have the AC kick on at a higher temp
[21:44:31] J-e-f-f-A: Not at this time... I've got a fancy 7-day programmable thermostat atm...
[21:44:43] RyeBrye: My new place has a cheapy analog thermostat
[21:44:46] RyeBrye: actually, it has two of them
[21:44:52] RyeBrye: and they are both in the same room
[21:45:00] RyeBrye: I wonder who that braniac was
[21:45:38] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: hehe... they probably knocked a wall down and were too cheap to wire them together...
[21:46:07] RyeBrye: Probably true
[21:46:29] RyeBrye: The x10 thermostat I found was around $300 usd – not bad, but I could get a 7-day programmable for much less
[21:46:47] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: Or... They have seperate heating systems on each side of the room. Like a "Select Comfort" matress... you each have your own 'comfort setting'... '-)
[21:47:03] J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, 7-day is like $70 usd...
[21:47:13] RyeBrye: I only saw one furnace though – unless they have another one hidden somewhere
[21:47:57] RyeBrye: How much would a decent MythFrontend box cost?
[21:48:03] RyeBrye: prerferably in a small form factor
[21:48:10] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: Well, it can have two zones... even with one furnace. Is it forced hot air, or hot water, or steam or ??
[21:48:16] RyeBrye: Oh, good point
[21:48:19] RyeBrye: It is forced air I think
[21:48:21] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: For SD tv?
[21:48:24] RyeBrye: SD, yeah
[21:48:35] RyeBrye: Wouldn't it take more than one blower though, if it had 2 zones?
[21:48:55] ** RyeBrye hasn't looked to see how many blowers there are **
[21:48:55] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: You can get away with an old PIII or even a fast PII.... ;-)
[21:49:06] RyeBrye: So basically $20 :)
[21:49:19] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: Not necessarily... it could have motorized baffles to turn off one zone, and the other on...
[21:49:26] RyeBrye: Ahh.. gotcha
[21:49:37] RyeBrye: I'll have to investigate and see if it has multiple zones
[21:49:51] RyeBrye: If it does, I will probably re-wire it intelligently and have one zone upstairs and one downstairs
[21:49:58] RyeBrye: and not both in one upstairs room
[21:50:12] RyeBrye: I'll just check the furnace controller module and see if it can support multiple zones
[21:50:15] RyeBrye: that would probably be easiest
[21:50:22] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: You could pick up a used X-Box and have a SD frontend for about $75...
[21:51:01] hugolp: very silent as well
[21:51:03] hugolp: XD
[21:51:15] J-e-f-f-A: ( I got mine from a friend/co-worker that bought a 360 — he sold it to me for $60 with the DVD controller and 2 game controllers...)
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[21:51:32] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: Well, an X-Box isn't silent... At least mine isn't...
[21:51:35] RyeBrye: I might do that. I'm going to try using an old beat-up Mac OS X laptop I have first, but if I can't get that working then I'll try to get another one
[21:52:02] RyeBrye: Of course, I'll still need yet another one for the bedroom, so maybe I'll look at getting an old Xbox anyway :)
[21:52:09] J-e-f-f-A: That fan is somewhat loud. (Although mine might be on it's last legs... I'll have to open it up and put a new, quiet fan in there)
[21:52:50] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: Humm... I'm not sure how successful you'll be with the Mac Laptop...
[21:52:59] RyeBrye: I've gotten the frotnend running on it before
[21:53:19] RyeBrye: the only thing i'm wondering about would be getting the remote control stuff to work
[21:53:43] RyeBrye: I can't get the SVN trunk to build the frontend on OS X, but there is a guy who puts nightly builds of the mac frontend up on his site
[21:54:09] RyeBrye: unfortunately, he has no contact info, so I can't ask him what kind of magic trick he does to build his... so I can just keep sucking them down from him whenever I decide to update my backend
[21:54:26] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: Well, if you got the frontend to work on it ok, then you should be good. I couldn't get it to work on my wife's old G4 IMac reliably... But that was over a year ago. It works well on her new Intel iMac... ;-)
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[21:55:08] RyeBrye: I guess I'll find out when I try to use it for more than a few minutes :)
[21:55:21] ** RyeBrye is glad it's friday **
[21:59:24] J-e-f-f-A: RyeBrye: I'm gonna head home... it's 6:00pm, time to leave work... ;-)
[21:59:52] hondaman: hi, im trying to install on F7. I am @ the mythtv-setup part. The problem is, its way too big for my monitor. I cant see the bottom.
[22:00:02] RyeBrye: have fun :)
[22:00:20] RyeBrye: Time to get a bigger monitor :)
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[22:00:42] hondaman: inst 800x600 enough?
[22:00:45] RyeBrye: hondaman, I think there is some flag you can set to resize it when you load it... let me check
[22:07:32] RyeBrye: hondaman try this: mythtv-setup --geometry 640x480
[22:07:37] RyeBrye: or mythtv-setup --geometry 800x600
[22:07:40] RyeBrye: that should make it run smaller
[22:08:30] hondaman: k
[22:09:03] RyeBrye: It is normal for it to take up the full screen, but it's not normal if oyu can't see the text or something
[22:11:25] hondaman: if i do --640x480, its ... windowed, it doesnt fit the whole screen. if i do 800x600, then I cant see the bottom.
[22:13:46] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: can't work out why the video is out of sync with audio almost always, when changing channels. There seems to be a slowdown when the video starts, but the audio continues at normal speed, ends up being out of sync by half a second.
[22:14:18] RyeBrye: You can run setup in 640x480 and just use it windowed
[22:14:29] RyeBrye: then run the frontend in 800x600 and fine-tune the gui there so
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[22:14:36] RyeBrye: it wont go over the full screen
[22:14:41] RyeBrye: are you on a TV or comptuer screen?
[22:14:46] RyeBrye: Sounds like it might be an overscan problem or something
[22:14:53] hondaman: computer
[22:14:57] RyeBrye: h
[22:14:57] RyeBrye: m
[22:14:58] RyeBrye: weird
[22:17:27] jduggan_: sdf
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[22:26:26] hondaman: k, so even with --640x480, i cant see the bottom
[22:26:32] RyeBrye: hm
[22:26:36] hondaman: the font is too big
[22:26:38] hondaman: or something
[22:26:39] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: fixed the audio lag problem, seemed to go away after i turned off extra audio buffering
[22:26:47] RyeBrye: Hmm... there is a way to resize the fonts
[22:26:54] RyeBrye: I can't remember how
[22:27:00] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: hondaman, change font dpi for that screen in xorg.conf ?
[22:27:36] hondaman: fony, ill check it out
[22:27:36] RyeBrye: yeah, that
[22:29:23] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: the fonts on my fe were gigantic for some reason, added the DPI option to my screen with the correct value in xorg.conf and font size is perfect now.
[22:31:22] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: anyone know how to make the mce remote less sensitive? every button press translates into 2 or 3 inputs.
[22:32:15] hondaman: Fony_Vaio, i had that problem when i ran irw with the mce remote. havent gotten to that part yet to fix it.
[22:33:26] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: hondaman, it's not a *big* problem, but i know the missus will complain :-)
[22:34:07] hondaman: yeah. wife-proof is pretty important. i know that much for a fact :|
[22:34:19] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: lol indeed
[22:35:16] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: strangely i've managed to get her using ubuntu almost exclusively as her desktop now. great stuff.
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[22:41:07] gardengnome: Fony_Vaio_HTPC: go to www.lirc.org and read up on lircrc. i think that should help you
[22:41:39] trench-: has anyone successfully setup a pinnacle pctv pro hd usb tuner with mythtv? gentoo user here
[22:41:41] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: gardengnome, yah, i was doing.. just found the repeat function... typing it in now
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[22:51:50] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: works perfectly
[22:52:18] hondaman: fony, can you link me to the fix please? im gonna run into the same problem here shortly
[22:52:26] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: added the repeat lines, tweaked them all to 3, now it's much more workable.
[22:54:09] ** RyeBrye needs more tuners :) **
[22:54:26] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: RyeBrye, don't we all :D
[22:54:44] ** Fony_Vaio_HTPC dreams of quad tuner pcie cards... **
[22:55:05] RyeBrye: I've got it recording braveheart and a cooking show I want to watch, but I also want to record the History channel's documentary on Walt Disney World
[22:55:09] RyeBrye: oh well :(
[22:55:16] RyeBrye: you can't have everything in life I suppose
[22:55:30] gardengnome: right
[22:55:37] gardengnome: but you can have three tuner cards
[22:55:41] RyeBrye: True :)
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[22:55:59] RyeBrye: If I get 3 frontends running, I might buy another PVR-500 to get 4 tuners
[22:56:59] gardengnome: ;)
[22:57:02] gardengnome: g'night!
[22:57:13] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: hondaman, http://pastebin.co.uk/16110
[22:57:30] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: later gardengnome
[22:57:31] hondaman: thank you very much!
[22:57:49] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: hondaman, yw. I only made a couple of small modifications.
[22:58:34] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: if you wanna tweak the repeat lines, i suggest using gedit or something an replacing all instances. quickest way i found.
[22:59:42] RyeBrye: I'm headed home. Weekend :)
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[23:01:08] tuxmack: hey anyone around?
[23:01:31] kormoc: nope, all 192 of us are afk, including myself
[23:01:37] tuxmack: lol
[23:01:38] hads: and me
[23:02:02] tuxmack: well i finally got mythtv kindof setup, but now i just get blue screens for TV
[23:02:18] tuxmack: so of course, im here begging for help like a n00b
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[23:04:04] doschdn`: hi. is it possible to install the backend without having to install xlibs? i didn't find any information how to do that :(
[23:04:35] tuxmack: im using a leadtek winfast 2000... set it all up, but i just get blue for TV, live or recorded.
[23:04:56] directhex: blue screen? sounds overlayish
[23:05:02] directhex: tuxmack, you using ati graphics?
[23:05:37] tuxmack: nvidia
[23:05:52] tuxmack: but, i think its using vesa right now
[23:06:27] directhex: vesa is entirely worthless
[23:06:30] directhex: use a real driver
[23:06:48] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: doschdn`, I'm not sure. I had to install some libs, but i tunneled X to actually run mythtv-setup, so as to avoid installing X on my server.
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[23:07:48] tuxmack: hmm i cant get nvidia to work at all
[23:08:22] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: tuxmack, dist?
[23:08:59] tuxmack: ubuntu, FF
[23:09:16] directhex: what's your card?
[23:09:24] tuxmack: FX5200
[23:09:31] tuxmack: ive used the driver before and had it work, but
[23:09:47] tuxmack: i switched the HDD temporarily into a box with ati graphics for testing
[23:10:03] geoffeg: Running 0.20.. If I plug into an external USB drive and want mythtv to start using it instead of another location I can just change the settings in mythtv-setup->General.. but how do I move my current recordings? shutdown the back end and cp/mv them?
[23:10:17] doschdn`: hm, thats what i will probably do now. i just thought there was another way, because as far as i understood the backend isn't supposed to do any graphic things
[23:10:18] tuxmack: now its switched back, all drivers uninstalled, install the nvidia, but xserver jsut crashses
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[23:10:31] directhex: tuxmack, how did you uninstall/reinstall the ati/nvidia drivers?
[23:11:22] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: tuxmack, i would be tempted to start over with nvidia...
[23:11:29] tuxmack: i dont remember right now, but i can tell the fglrx crap is still on my system, i used nvidia's package for that
[23:11:39] tuxmack: for the nvidia card i mena
[23:11:45] directhex: tuxmack, from nvidia.com?
[23:12:02] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: tuxmack, i'd remove it all, tbh, and then install it according to the ubuntu guides
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[23:12:13] tuxmack: yes directhex
[23:12:19] directhex: well that's killed it
[23:12:23] tuxmack: im trying Fony_Vaio, but the ati wont remove at all
[23:12:29] directhex: nvidia'sinstaller isn't compatible with package managers
[23:12:47] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: tuxmack, in fact, if you enable the resticted repo, i think they have pre-compiled binaries for nvidia for current ubuntu kernels
[23:12:56] directhex: installing the ati or nvidia drivers is 1-click in feisty. messing things up with content from ati.com or nvidia.com will break your machine horribly
[23:13:03] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: tuxmack, how are you attempting to remove ati?
[23:13:18] tuxmack: there is no way, its not listed as installed in the repos
[23:13:24] tuxmack: but, the files are still there
[23:13:44] tuxmack: and i used the nvidia package the first time, and it worked, but now its all borked. i cant use nvidia-glx because it says there is a conflict with fglrx
[23:14:29] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: tuxmack, did you enable the resticted software repo?
[23:14:54] directhex: restricted is on by default
[23:14:58] tuxmack: yes Fony_Vaio
[23:15:09] directhex: it's literally 1-click for nvidia or ati drivers, unless you touch ati.com or nvidia.com
[23:15:22] directhex: in which case it's a lot of hard work by people sued to purging bad packages
[23:15:38] trench-: any idea what module does pinnacle pctv pro hd usb tuner use? gentoo user here
[23:15:52] directhex: trench-, analog or digital?
[23:16:00] tuxmack: i was hoping it was just my tv card causing problems... cuz removing ATI is nearly impossible
[23:16:10] directhex: tuxmack, not unless you went to ati.com
[23:16:16] trench-: digital i assume...how can i be sure
[23:16:24] tuxmack: i dont even remember, but im pretty sure i used synaptic
[23:16:29] tuxmack: but who knows, i probably was a dumbass
[23:16:33] trench-: i'm using cable input
[23:16:38] trench-: not antenna
[23:17:02] tuxmack: will the NV driver work?
[23:17:02] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: tuxmack, fonyvaio@myth-desktop:~$ apt-cache show linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-generic
[23:17:02] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: Package: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-generic
[23:17:38] ** directhex wonders how people manage to make the simple complicated. System/Administration/Restricted Drivers manager **
[23:18:17] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: heh, do what directhex said :P
[23:18:24] directhex: trench-, EXACTLY which model is it?
[23:18:55] trench-: pinnacle pctv pro hd usb tuner
[23:18:57] tuxmack: yeah but that doesnt work lol
[23:19:07] tuxmack: cuz there is still ATI residue crapping it up
[23:19:14] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: is there any way around the fact that the osd is drawn onto the video source *before* upscaling? 720x576 -> 1920x1080 makes fonts looks fugly.
[23:19:18] directhex: tuxmack, dpkg -l *fglrx*
[23:20:02] trench-: PCTV HD Pro Stick
[23:20:09] directhex: trench-, http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/de/Prod . . . ro%2BUSB.htm ?
[23:20:53] tuxmack: okay, directhex, that gives me a list
[23:21:16] directhex: trench-, http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB_USB#Pin . . . HD_Pro_Stick – unsupported in linux
[23:21:32] trench-: ouch
[23:21:50] directhex: tuxmack, dpkg -l *fglrx* | grep -v rc
[23:21:59] directhex: tuxmack, pastebin the output
[23:23:08] trench-: thx for the info...
[23:23:15] trench-: it just sucks
[23:23:36] tuxmack: www.pastebin.ca/529523
[23:23:37] trench-: paid a lot for the tuner
[23:23:47] trench-: i should've researched the tuner first
[23:23:57] directhex: trench-, O RLY?
[23:24:15] trench-: $130
[23:24:44] trench-: could've got a hauppage for half that pric
[23:24:45] trench-: e
[23:25:34] tuxmack: directhex, see how dirty my system is? lol
[23:25:49] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: is there a way of changing the osd drawing method?
[23:26:35] jams: Fony_Vaio- nope
[23:26:36] AndyCap: Hmm, is it possible, or downright stupid to change "ALTER DATABASE mythconverg DEFAULT CHARACTER SET latin1;" to use utf8?
[23:26:42] directhex: tuxmack, the number of items marked as U is odd
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[23:27:05] tuxmack: what does that mean
[23:27:24] directhex: tuxmack, try "dpkg --purge fglrx-control-qt2 fglrx-driver fglrx-driver-dev fglrx-kernel xfree86-driver-fglrx xfree86-driver-fglrx-dev"
[23:27:34] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: jams, so i have to recompile with support for a different osd drawing method?
[23:27:49] jams: AndyCap- if you do that, it's possible that you will start getting colliation errors
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[23:28:24] tuxmack: directhex , just says it cant do it cuz its not installed
[23:28:24] jams: Fony_Vaio_HTPC- i dont know of any other methods
[23:28:50] AndyCap: jams: btw. this is a brand new install, not and existing database..
[23:28:59] directhex: tuxmack, hm. if it insists. why are you certain that you still have fglrx components around?
[23:29:36] tuxmack: because it wont install nvidia-glx because it says there is a conflict with fglrx
[23:29:37] tuxmack: :-|
[23:29:38] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: jams, "You can use a different OSD drawing method. The chromakey OSD
[23:29:38] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: that Ben pointed out for XvMC, the OpenGL OSD for XvMC in SVN
[23:29:38] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: head, or the OpenGL video output method in the mythtv-vid branch
[23:29:38] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: all support full screen resolution OSD rendering methods." --Link: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/270535
[23:29:57] jams: AndyCap- you can try it, but i'm pretty sure mythfilldatabase will switch some things back
[23:30:09] directhex: tuxmack, stop interpreting the messages. give me EXACT output
[23:30:14] AndyCap: jams: ok. thanks. :)
[23:30:26] tuxmack: lol well its rebooting right now then i can give u output
[23:30:37] trench-: the*
[23:30:47] jams: AndyCap- i had db troubles for a while with mythfilldatabase because of utf8
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[23:31:40] directhex: trench-, it can see anything it likes. the fact that the device has a usb connector on it means it needs to be "seen" so an os is able to decide what drivers to load
[23:31:42] tgm4883: settings for mythtv are all kept in the database right?
[23:31:49] AndyCap: jams: well. I'll see how it works out. If not reinstall it. :)
[23:31:51] directhex: trench-, it doesn't have a module to actually USE the device
[23:31:54] directhex: tgm4883, yes
[23:32:05] trench-: gotcha
[23:32:05] jams: Fony_Vaio_HTPC- what video card do you ahve
[23:32:13] trench-: thcx for the input
[23:32:17] trench-: thx
[23:32:41] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: jams, nvidia 7600GS
[23:32:49] tgm4883: directhex, so to get rid of those for a reinstall would it just be sudo apt-get remove --purge mythtv-database? Or would I want to remove and purge mysql-server as well
[23:33:04] jams: Fony_Vaio_HTPC- so the chromakey stuff will not work for you.
[23:33:17] jams: are you running SVN of mythtv or -fixes?
[23:33:25] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: svn
[23:33:39] directhex: tgm4883, i think the mythtv-database package would do it.
[23:33:58] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: mythtv_0.20-svn20070122
[23:34:29] tgm4883: directhex, sweet, do you know if a complete removal in synaptic is the same as a --purge using apt-get?
[23:35:03] directhex: tgm4883, sorry, i don't use synaptic
[23:35:12] directhex: now, bedtime
[23:35:18] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: later directhex
[23:35:18] tuxmack: thanks directhex
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[23:40:02] tuxmack: man im gonna give up on this lol just reinstall ubuntu
[23:41:00] jams: Fony_Vaio_HTPC- i thought the opengl xvmc was only in the mythtv-vid branch
[23:41:07] jams: DTK indicates otherwise
[23:42:08] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: tuxmack, don't give up. Reformat is like windows mentality. Trust me you learn a lot more if you actually fix the problem in linux.
[23:43:22] tuxmack: well, its not so bad because it can give me a chance to use AptOnCD
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[23:45:33] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: heh
[23:45:57] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: well, my myth set up is pretty much done
[23:46:36] tuxmack: w00t
[23:46:41] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: barely a couple of nights messing around getting things how i wanted them. lots of fun, to boot. time to start enjoying it tomorrow
[23:47:07] Fony_Vaio_HTPC: night all
[23:47:08] tuxmack: sweeet
[23:47:11] tuxmack: gnight
[23:47:46] tuxmack: wow AptonCD is useful
[23:47:47] jams: Fony_Vaio_HTPC- looks like i was wrong --enable-xvmc-opengl is an option
[23:48:08] jams: Fony_Vaio- looks like i was wrong --enable-xvmc-opengl is an option
[23:48:20] hondaman: im still having trouble. when i run mythtv-setup, I cant see the main menu. its not there.
[23:48:21] jams: drats just missed him
[23:48:55] tuxmack: hondaman , is it still loading?
[23:50:02] hondaman: no. I see "Main" and a wrench. nothing else.
[23:50:40] tuxmack: wtf lol
[23:51:04] hondaman: if i press enter, i go into the backend setup.
[23:51:11] hondaman: but i dont see the menu at all
[23:51:13] tuxmack: weird
[23:59:24] hondaman: i wish mailing lists were converted into forums :|
[23:59:43] hondaman: i wanna ask this question, but dont feel like subscribing and getting flooded with mail.

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