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Friday, May 25th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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Aquahallic:

I'm just wondering if there's any logs I should be looking at other then /var/logs/mythtv

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someninjamaster:

i building a dedacated myth machine does anyone have some recomendations on a mobo and processor

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cecil:

someninjamaster: you'll need to provide more details

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cecil:

for instance, do you intend to record and playback HD content?

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squish102:

can any1 point me in the right direction to fix the following error in mythbackend, when scheduling a recording:

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squish102:

DVBTuning Error: Could not find dvb tuning parameters for mplex

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cecil:

recommendations cannot be give w/o info on how you intend to use the system

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someninjamaster:

im planning on doing a 500 gig hd

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someninjamaster:

using a pvr 500

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someninjamaster:

and using 2 gigs of ddr2- 533 mhz

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someninjamaster:

and the case is a micro atx

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cecil:

that certainly is a lot of RAM

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someninjamaster:

it was 49 bucks

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someninjamaster:

i couldnt pass it up

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cecil:

well, I cannot give any specific recommendations

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hello... ;-)

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a5benwillis:

OH MY!!

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cecil:

I'd get and athlon or celeron around the 2 gig range

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a5benwillis:

HD is awesome!!!

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cecil:

yes, it is!

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J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: Yep! ;-)

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squish102:

someninjamaster u looking for cheap?

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squish102:

and u in the US?

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squish102:

amd 64 3400+ and a foxconn mobo with built in video card and DVI with no fans

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Kevorkian:

no reason for all that memory ..

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Kevorkian:

really .. its just wasted.

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someninjamaster:

yeah

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someninjamaster:

the cheapest price on 1 gig was 33 bucks

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Zider:

I've got 512 in mine

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Zider:

but that's just a frontend tho

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Kevorkian:

512 is even a lot ..

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Zider:

well it was a spare :)

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Zider:

I have no use for it anywhere else

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someninjamaster:

so how well does a 64 bit processor do with knoppmyth

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** J-e-f-f-A One can never have too much memory! ;-) **

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Zider:

J-e-f-f-A: if you're poor, you can :)

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Kevorkian:

sounds nice J-e-f-f-A .. but surprisingly .. you can.

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someninjamaster:

especially if your using hibranate on a xp machine

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, well my 'old', soon-to-be-retired backend (maybe tonight) has just 512mb (3 analog tuners and an HD3000), but my new backend has 2GB...

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Kevorkian:

thats one time where less would speed up that one process .. but then again its XP so you want the memory anyway.

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Kevorkian:

and I bet you that machine will never touch the second gig.

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someninjamaster:

proably

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someninjamaster:

its 2 1 gig sticks

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someninjamaster:

so ill proably put that 2nd gig in something else

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J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: I think it will, especially if 2 or 4 commercial flagging or transcoding jobs are going at once... it's 2GB Dual-Channel DDR 400...

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J-e-f-f-A:

The cpu's an AMD 64 x2 4600+

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Kevorkian:

ok .. ddr .. well .. of course it will just cause its ddr .. But it would still perform just as nice with two 256 sticks.

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a5benwillis:

what would cause HD audio to be behind HD video? Out of sync I guess....

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hads:

What an odd conversation

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someninjamaster:

so any suggestions for a mobo with ddr2 support

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a5benwillis:

well, now its synced. exited to menu and went back in.

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Kevorkian:

for myth ?? anything .. just stay away from ATI video.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Anyone here running SVN on a multi-frontend environment?

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someninjamaster:

so 64bit wont cause issues with knoppmyth

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J-e-f-f-A:

someninjamaster: I'd imagine it would just run in 32-bit mode, but there's no harm in that IMHO.

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hads:

J-e-f-f-A: Yes

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someninjamaster:

ok

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Kevorkian:

it might be slower then an equ 32bit cpu.

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J-e-f-f-A:

hads: What's the best way to keep the frontends in sync with the backend-- Is it to download the svn image to the backend, then have the backend serve the frontends as an svn server?

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squish102:

someninjamaster that is the cpu/mobo combo that i am using for a frontend... but that is ddr, and u have ddr2?

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hads:

J-e-f-f-A: I just svn up to the same or similar revisions on each.

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Zider:

I just let the package system do the installing ;P

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Zider:

anyhoo, off to TV

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Zider:

*gone*

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someninjamaster:

the existing machine im using uses ddr2–533

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someninjamaster:

so i was hoping to use the ram in it untill i finished building my new machine

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cal:

kev: i got mythweather working

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J-e-f-f-A:

hads: Cool, thanks. Now to investigate how to import my recording schedules to my new backend... ;-) (going from .19 to SVN)...

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Kevorkian:

WHAT WAS IT ?

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Kevorkian:

sorry caps

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cal:

http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t= . . . &start=0

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cal:

just do what the last post says on that page

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squish102:

where is the best place to search for an error i am getting from my backend?

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Kevorkian:

depends on the error ..

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Kevorkian:

I might start by just throwing the error into google ..

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Kevorkian:

minus site specfic things of course

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Kevorkian:

google knows all.

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squish102:

naa, google produced nothing

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Kevorkian:

nothing ??

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Kevorkian:

I highly doubt that.

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'm sure it produced more than nothing... Maybe nothing *relevant*...

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Kevorkian:

Perhaps if you phrased it as .. "nothing I understood" .. that would be more likely.

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Kevorkian:

or what J-e-f-f-A said

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squish102:

it produced a page

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Kevorkian:

whats the error ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

squish102: What's the error? Kevorkian ;-)

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squish102:

and the one was spot on, with no reply

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squish102:

DVBTuning Error: Could not find dvb tuning parameters for mplex 32767

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squish102:

when trying to record on dvb card

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squish102:

found in mythbackend log

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Kevorkian:

sounds like its having trouble changing the chan

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** Kevorkian farts **

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squish102:

i'll try a scan again, although i did it a few days ago

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J-e-f-f-A:

squish102: I'm not that familar with the DVB cards — is it working, and you're just curious about that message in the log, or is it not working at all?

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squish102:

J-e-f-f-A it has problem viewing live tv too... i think i need to start again

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Kevorkian:

hmmm . if it can scan .. then it knows how to change chans.

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squish102:

yes it finds them and locks on

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squish102:

and mythfilldatabase works well, gives me everything

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Kevorkian:

of course .. being in the us .. I have never needed to touch a dvb card.

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squish102:

Kevorkian um, ok my bad

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J-e-f-f-A:

squish102: Yeah, live tv is nothing more than 'watching while recording'. It still gets dumped to disk before you see it...

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squish102:

it is an ati HD wonder

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squish102:

in the US

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Kevorkian:

OH .. ATI ..

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cal:

the netflix thing is only to see movie descriptions, not watch them?

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squish102:

i know i know

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squish102:

but when i had it working awhile ago, it was sweet

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Kevorkian:

cal .. no .. its .. like a web interface .. to the netflix account manager thingy

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J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: Me too... Although I wouldn't say I've never needed to touch a DVB card... It just doesn't do me any good 'cause I can't use it! ;-)

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Kevorkian:

Oh .. not saying ati isnt good .. just that ati + linux = ummm .. some word meaning not good.

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J-e-f-f-A:

cal: I don't use it, but I think it allows you to manage your netflix queue. They still come in the mail, not downloaded... ;-)

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Kevorkian:

Wish I knew more about that card squish102 .. sorry.

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cal:

kev: i cant seem to do anything on it but browse movie summaries

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Kevorkian:

there is a place to put your account info .

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Kevorkian:

basicly it just talks to netflck like a web browser and stff.

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J-e-f-f-A:

cal: Check out the docs... I don't believe it's in any of the menus — you have to edit a config file.

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Kevorkian:

you could get the same effect by using the web browser.

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J-e-f-f-A:

cal: I remember running across that recently in the docs...

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cal:

ahh

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cal:

well, i dont really want to sign up for netflix

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cal:

i watch rentals with xbox live

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Kevorkian:

its not like the amazon + tivo thing where they let you download right to the box.

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cal:

kev: so you order it and they send the dvd in the mail?

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J-e-f-f-A:

yes.

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Kevorkian:

whatever normal netflix does

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Kevorkian:

its just a front end to the netflix web site.

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J-e-f-f-A:

There's a monthly fee, and you can have any 3 movies 'checked out' at a time...

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Kevorkian:

well .. depending on the fee .. you can have more then 3 ..

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Kevorkian:

I think 3 is like 5 bucks a month ..

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cal:

well, it makes a good movie summary browser... but i wont do anything with it past that =)

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Kevorkian:

or something like that.

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J-e-f-f-A:

cal: Right – like Kevorkian says — check out the netflix site for details... I think it's http://www.netflix.com

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kdub:

myth isnt covering the bar on the bottom with the window switcher and shit

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kdub:

what did i break?

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Kevorkian:

I like the fact that you admit that YOU broke it ..

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kdub:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: Probably set the task bar to 'always be on top'...

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hads:

kdub: Mind your language

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Kevorkian:

but then again .. that destroys my inital comment of "IT WORKED BEFORE YOU BROKE IT"

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cal:

so i wonder if mythbrowser will let me use abc.com's live videos =)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: Or the variant, "Did it work before you broke it?"

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J-e-f-f-A:

cal: I wouldn't bet on it... nothing on Linux works with the fox.com videos... the plugin requires winblows...

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cal:

bah

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cal:

guess i will watch last night's LOST on my computer then.

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kdub:

is this 'always be on top' setting a myth setting or my window manager

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J-e-f-f-A:

cal: Try it in firefox first... It might work, depending on how they're streaming it...

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J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: In the windows manager... What distro are you running?

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kdub:

fedora with gnome

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J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: Humm... gnome... Well, I run FC, but with KDE. If I right-click a blank part of the task bar, I can select "configure panel" from the menu. It's in there on KDE...

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kdub:

yeah thats what i figured

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kdub:

i need to install kde

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J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: Well, no, not necessarily.

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kdub:

well i should

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'm sure there's a setting for gnome too...

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kdub:

i use kde at work

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kdub:

and i know shit about linux

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kdub:

so i should keep it the same

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kdub:

oops

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kdub:

sorry

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J-e-f-f-A:

yeah, kde is more similar to winblows... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

(gee, was that even english... oops...)

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Kevorkian:

I love gnome .. but kde is so much more .. umm .. mature.

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Kevorkian:

but more cause I think the lil footy thing is cooler then the stupid K

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kdub:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

Anyone using SVN on an X-Box frontend?

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J-e-f-f-A:

(ie SVN myth?)

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Kevorkian:

even tho I remember reading something that they kinda merged .. where you can run a K app in G land and vise vs .. but thats migh be just a rumor.

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kdub:

is that a joke

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kdub:

because i am pretty sure you can and i dont know anything

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** Kevorkian shrugs **

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cal:

jeffa: i tried to run the xbmc front end but had no luck with it

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Kevorkian:

I havent paid attention to the dev of either n a long time.

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kdub:

man i need this damn bar off of here before it burns into my screen

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Kevorkian:

yea .. that woudl suck

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J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: Try right-clicking on an open area of the task bar to see if it gives you a pop-up menu...

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kdub:

it does

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kdub:

that option aint there

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a5benwillis:

what switch do I use when starting backend to tell it to log to a file?

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a5benwillis:

-f?

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Kevorkian:

hmmm .. can you exit myth .. that might take you back to a real desktop

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kdub:

dude

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kdub:

dont worry about that

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kdub:

ill figure it out

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kdub:

heh

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kdub:

dont need putting for effort on the account of me

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a5benwillis:

-l

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a5benwillis:

found it duh

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Kevorkian:

anyone know if there was a new house this week .. in the us that is.

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J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: Too late... it's already booting! ;-) (brb... it's on the same kvm as this system...)

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kdub:

it started when i stared using the GUI scaling

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Kevorkian:

ok .. l makes sense.

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Kevorkian:

I hate kvm's .. mostly cause I use dual head dvi .. and the kvm for me isnt cheap.

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kdub:

yeah

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kdub:

it only shows up if I scale the gui

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J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: No $hit... I saw a 2-way DVI/USB kvm in MicroCenter's ad today for "Just $249.99" — YEAH, RIGHT!

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Kevorkian:

well .. kdub .. you admited that it was you that broke it .. you didnt come in blaming myth .. so of course we will put in an effort for you.

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Kevorkian:

yea .. and I bet it was only two ports also ..

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kdub:

3 port usb, dvi, ps2 on monoprice

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kdub:

for98

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Kevorkian:

dual port dvi tho ..

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Kevorkian:

head even

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kdub:

oh good luck with that

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Kevorkian:

yea .. they make em .. just for $$$

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Kevorkian:

I just ended up buying two more lcd's .. and use synergy to make it act like one HUGE desktop.

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Kevorkian:

so my "desktop" spans 5 screens .. 4 monitors and the laptop.

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J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: Humm... I don't see it — at least it's not *obvious*, so don't feel so bad...

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Kevorkian:

he said something about gui scaling ..

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kdub:

yeah

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kdub:

if i scale it 1 pixel then this happens

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Kevorkian:

and thats when it only shows up.

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Kevorkian:

is this when I mention the old joke about going to the doctor ..

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Kevorkian:

HEy doc it hurts when I do "THIS"

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Kevorkian:

and the doc says .. well .. Dont do THAT

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kdub:

live with overscan in your gui!

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kdub:

arnt i supposed to be able to get rid of overscan with modelines somehow

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J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: Ah... Now I see that he said that... (it was while I was on the other 'puter'... ;-)

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Kevorkian:

well .. nows when you ask yourself .. How much does this really piss me off.

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Kevorkian:

modelines .. oh my

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Kevorkian:

thems scary.

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kdub:

yeah

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kdub:

i have yet to get anything on the screen when i put one in

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J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: You can play with xvidtune, but the last version I used din't have an easily accessed 'undo' button if you got into a bad mode...

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Kevorkian:

OGH OH OH OH .. there is a keyboard short cut to that undo button ..

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Kevorkian:

but I dun remember what it is ..

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J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: It will allow you to 'tweak' the video timings 'on the fly'. Kevorkian – Is there now? When I was using it to create modelines, "esc" didn't work... :-(

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Kevorkian:

but I know its there.

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kdub:

R

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kdub:

undo is R

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Kevorkian:

I happned to be on the phone with a friend when I screwed it up .. and he said hit soemthing .. and it undodoed it

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Kevorkian:

might have been r ..

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** Kevorkian shrugs **

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kdub:

says so in the manual

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Kevorkian:

one of then things that I said to myself .. I need to remember this .. but then promptly forgot.

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J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: Kewl... so start xvidtune from a terminal, play around with it a little bit, and if you get a scrambled display, hit 'r' to undo it and try it again...

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Kevorkian:

OH .. the manual .. cheating now are we kdub

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J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: But you may be at the mercy of the video card's tv converter's capabilities, and not able to do much (if any) overscan...

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a5benwillis:

Any HD people here?

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** Kevorkian is sad .. the only card I have with tv out is an ATI .. **

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a5benwillis:

wondering if this is a good bitrate

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a5benwillis:

"stream: start_time: 35787.386 duration: 16.198 bitrate=12692 kb/s

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a5benwillis:

"

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J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: To enable real-time changes, click the 'Auto' button...

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Kevorkian:

well .. I have a gf 660 .. but that seems to think I have a pal tv untill myth finaly gets started.

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J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: Yeah, a little bit... 24 and a few others. But I'm using PC monitors for displays, not HD tv's...

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someninjamaster:

what do yall think of this http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . amp;CatId=14

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Kevorkian:

12 meg ?? isnt that low ..

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a5benwillis:

J-e-f-f-A: Thanks, ive only been getting HD for abt 30 mins so Im a newby :-)

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kdub:

bag

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Kevorkian:

I know uncompressed normal dvd is like 8 ..

[01:20:25]

kdub:

keeps saying everything is impossible with my video card

[01:20:31]

squish102:

with time warner cable, what is the different cable high, cable irc high and cable hrc high?

[01:20:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: What's your card?

[01:21:02]

Kevorkian:

hrc and things .. thats like how they put the chans in .. teh freqencys and stuff ..

[01:21:05]

kdub:

7600gs

[01:21:16]

Kevorkian:

like chan 5 = XXX mhz and things

[01:21:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: What manufacturer?

[01:21:36]

squish102:

any idea which one i should use

[01:21:41]

Kevorkian:

7600 .. sounds like a vida

[01:21:42]

kdub:

evga

[01:21:52]

kdub:

yeah its nvidia

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J-e-f-f-A:

squish102: Start with IRC and see what you get...

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squish102:

ok thanks

[01:22:24]

Kevorkian:

try a scan on each .. and watch to see if you get the chans you think you should.

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squish102:

irc high

[01:22:46]

Kevorkian:

MOST us cable systems use hrc .. iirc

[01:22:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: You're probably running the 'default' kernel nvidia driver. You should install the nvidia binary driver (which is a little bit of a challenge for a n00b, but I did it about 2 years ago...)

[01:23:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: Then you'll have a host of options... and nvidia even has a bunch of options you can put in your xorg.conf file for tv out and such...

[01:23:26]

Kevorkian:

oh no .. they changed the way that works .. MUCH MUCH MUCH easier now.

[01:23:57]

Kevorkian:

jjust remember to kill X before you try and do the install.

[01:24:06]

kdub:

would that driver be in mythdora

[01:25:04]

Kevorkian:

Personaly .. ive found that knoppmyth to be the best prebuilt setups.

[01:25:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: Umm... I dunno... It might be... one sec.

[01:25:25]

kdub:

yeah i hear that too but i want to stick with what i know

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Kevorkian:

and .. sorry kdub .. IM NOT SURE.

[01:25:30]

kdub:

i use red hat at work

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Kevorkian:

opps

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squish102:

kdub when u installed mythdora, u could select the aditional nvidia drivers

[01:26:30]

kdub:

i think i would have done that

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Kevorkian:

the thing is that knoppis has a very mature auto detect hardware system .. and that combined with myth .. most of the time "it just works"

[01:26:56]

squish102:

kdub do u see the

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Kevorkian:

there shoudl be a splash screen if you have the vida driver

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J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: Check which one you're using by looking at the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file — the display section 'Driver"

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Kevorkian:

as X starts

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kdub:

kbd

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squish102:

as X starts, you should see the nvidia splash screen

[01:28:17]

kdub:

driver is nvidia

[01:28:28]

Kevorkian:

do you get the splash screen ??

[01:28:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: Humm.. that's the binary driver...

[01:28:34]

kdub:

yeah

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Kevorkian:

if not then its not really running.

[01:28:40]

Kevorkian:

ok .. then cool .

[01:28:40]

kdub:

i get the splash

[01:28:58]

kdub:

this btc keyboard with the gay little joystick is actually pretty sweet

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Kevorkian:

guess the answer to "is the driver in mythdora" is yes.

[01:29:10]

kdub:

thing is solid

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J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: Ok, check the readme for the nvidia driver — there's lots of options you can put in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to play with overscan and such...

[01:29:19]

kdub:

coo

[01:29:43]

Kevorkian:

I wish they had an option to set teh bios to "NTFUCKINGSC" for boot on my tv out.

[01:30:04]

Kevorkian:

damm card thinks I live in one of them backwards pal countrys.

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** Kevorkian hides **

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J-e-f-f-A:

The only myth box with a TV on it in my house is the x-box frontend in my son's room... I've got a 20" crt monitor in my bedroom and a 37"crt in the living room. (They were throwing it out at work when they upgraded to 40" LCD displays... ;-) )

[01:33:03]

Kevorkian:

wat res on that 37 ?

[01:33:14]

kash:

rofl, 37" CRT

[01:33:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: Just 1024x768, but HD stil looks great.

[01:33:25]

kash:

you know, that's not correct. CRTs have a max size of 36"

[01:33:48]

kash:

and they weigh about.. 160 lbs

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kash:

(19 stone)

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Kevorkian:

I bought one back in the 90s .. they claimed 1024 .. but I was never happy with it and sent it back like 3 times .. they even had a tech from teh factory come out and try to adjust the 4th one .. but it never was clear.

[01:35:11]

Kevorkian:

ended up as a play station monitor in the break room. mitusbishie or whoever it was just said keep it. they didnt want to spend the 500 or whatever it was to ship it back to them AGAIN.

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kdub:

whats the deal with xvidtune telling me the modeline i am using is not possible

[01:36:07]

Kevorkian:

and no kash 37 .. I have one in my living room now.

[01:36:12]

kdub:

because i can like, read the text

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Kevorkian:

there was a time when the 36 mitusbhi was the largest .. but that was like 5 years ago.

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Kevorkian:

cept mines a toshiba .. might be someones elses tube .. but it says toshiba on the front.

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J-e-f-f-A:

(I was off by 6.09 lbs...) ;-)

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Kevorkian:

I think mines 180

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J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: I also had a 36" sony tv a friend gave me that died on him. It was a bad solder connection. I fixed it in like 2 hours, but couldn't stand the interlace flicker. I gave it to a friend of mine, and bought a Viewsonic N4 scaler for the Mitsi 37"...

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Kevorkian:

my firend had a 36 mitus .. one of teh reasons I needed to get a 37 ..

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Kevorkian:

so that mine was 1 more.

[01:42:43]

Kevorkian:

he loved it ..

[01:42:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: It's not clear at 1024x768 — not very good for text at that resolution. But it makes a great near-hd-quality tv set with a video scaler, or a computer scaling HD to 1024x768.

[01:43:01]

Kevorkian:

but that one I bought at work .. it just turned me off of the mitus.

[01:43:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: And for FREE, I'm not gonna complain...

[01:43:31]

Kevorkian:

OH yea .. thats why teh one at work ended up in the break room ..

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J-e-f-f-A:

(I actually have two of them... )

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kdub:

thanks for the help folks

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Kevorkian:

I was not gona auth the 3k or whetever it was for a monitor that sucked ..

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J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: We actually had 4 of them, on 24x7 with monitoring screens. The text wasn't perfectly clear, but was readible, and most of the stuff was large-font anyways so it could be read from across the room.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: We now run 6 40" LCD's — 1366x768

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kash:

i've got a 26" LCD that does 1920x1024

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Tanthrix:

What a weird ass resolution

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: It's a 'standard' resolution for HDTV sets... (You would think they'd use a 'native' resolution, but nooooo...)

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Kevorkian:

oh .. no they were readable ..

[01:50:21]

Kevorkian:

I was just being a bitch

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Kevorkian:

the salesman pissed me off when he was selling them

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Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: Maybe for crazy plasmas. Never seen an LCD with that res. (All I've seen is 1024x768, 1280x720, 1366x768, and 1920x1080)

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a5benwillis:

Tanthrix: Hola man

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Tanthrix:

Yo, how goes?

[01:51:21]

a5benwillis:

Watchin HD here man!

[01:51:28]

Tanthrix:

Cool – how you liking it?

[01:51:37]

a5benwillis:

it is a-w-e-s-o-m-e

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: Oh, you meant the 1920x1024 — that's probably a panel targeted for pc displays...

[01:51:46]

Tanthrix:

Hehe, glad it's working out for you

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a5benwillis:

getting about 14mbps on cbs

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kash:

er, i meant 1080

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kash:

sorry, got mixed up

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Kevorkian:

lcds only have one res anyway

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Kevorkian:

andthing else is scaled and shit

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a5benwillis:

seems low but the pic is nice

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kash:

a5benwillis: 14mb is low.

[01:52:32]

a5benwillis:

its over sat

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kash:

directv?

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Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: Aye (And the resolutions I quoted were for TVs, obviously PC monitors have 1280x1024, 1600x1200, 1650x1050, etc..)

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a5benwillis:

no

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J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: Ah. ;-) But with video, you're not likely to see the resolution anyways...

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kash:

dish?

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a5benwillis:

no

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kormoc:

14 mbit isn't that low...

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a5benwillis:

:-)

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kash:

dvb-t?

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Tanthrix:

Yah, it really isn't that low

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: Yeah... my 22" is 1650x1050...

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a5benwillis:

nope

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kash:

...

[01:53:16]

kash:

who?

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a5benwillis:

a northern sat

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kormoc:

kash, that's 6.1 gigs per hour

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kormoc:

a5benwillis, that was to you as well... that's not really 'low'

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kash:

ok, i got 38mbit from charter

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kash:

er, 36

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Kevorkian:

1650x1050 ??

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Tanthrix:

A lot of my stuff over cable is 8mbps, and oddly enough it looks pretty damn good

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Kevorkian:

1680 I think

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a5benwillis:

kormoc: thanks.. im new to HD

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Tanthrix:

Proving that bitrate isn't everything

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kash:

Kevorkian: it is 1680

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Tanthrix:

(Lots of other things can destroy the quality, such as transcoding a stream that was already encoded into MPEG2 and other stuff)

[01:54:27]

a5benwillis:

kash: do you know which sat Im refing to?

[01:54:34]

kash:

not really

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J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: Er, yeah... you're right. Samsung SyncMaster 225bw — 1680x1050. (oops!)

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Tanthrix:

Close enough

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Kevorkian:

but also having 1280X1024 ..

[01:55:06]

Kevorkian:

the 1680 is a wide .. and the 1280 is a 4:3

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** Kevorkian shrugs **

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J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: What part of the US are you in?

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kormoc:

kash, that's strange, typically 20 mbit/sec is the max for HD

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a5benwillis:

southeast

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J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: is this sat FTA?

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kash:

kormoc: it was h264. i dunno much else about it.

[01:55:51]

kash:

they only used the codec for a short time

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Kevorkian:

hmmm .. I shoudl get me a FTA card or something ..

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Kevorkian:

I have a direct tv dish on teh roof that I dun use anymore

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Tanthrix:

That's way, way too much for h264

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kormoc:

kash, that's extreamly strange, as the point of h264 was to reduce the bandwidth required

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Tanthrix:

What he said ;)

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a5benwillis:

J-e-f-f-A: not exactly..

[01:56:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: Because if you can hit a 'northern' bird from the south, then I can definitely hit it from Taxachusetts...

[01:56:40]

kash:

hm

[01:56:43]

a5benwillis:

it has some fta chans I believe

[01:56:59]

kormoc:

kash, A terrestrial (over-the-air) transmission carries 19.39 megabits of data per second

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kormoc:

kash, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATSC

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Kevorkian:

southern ?? northern ??

[01:57:19]

kormoc:

so like, that's above what the signal should even be able to put out

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kash:

and two = 38

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Kevorkian:

not for geosync sats ..

[01:57:37]

Kevorkian:

unless of course they use spot beams ..

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a5benwillis:

J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, you can get this one

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a5benwillis:

its at 82deg

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kormoc:

kash, you had a single channel over two freqs? and how was the card able to capture both?

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kash:

it wasn't a card, it was a tuner

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kash:

stb

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kormoc:

even so, unless you had dual dish receivers, it shouldn't have been able to grab both...

[01:58:47]

kash:

i have 7LNBs :P

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Kevorkian:

must be a nice switch box you have :-D

[01:59:23]

kash:

it was fox's

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Kevorkian:

7 lnbs ... X2 each .. thats 14 feeds

[01:59:44]

kash:

yeah, hooked up to giant dishes

[02:00:01]

Kevorkian:

must be a nice reciver to be able to select them.

[02:00:10]

kash:

i want to watch television on that giant sat dish that's in the ground

[02:00:35]

Kevorkian:

a 3 meter dish is almost worthless now

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kash:

man, not 3m

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kash:

it's 46m :p

[02:01:18]

kash:

http://www.cornwall-online.co.uk/goonhilly/Welcome.asp

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Kevorkian:

ahh .. a transmitter :-D

[02:01:38]

Kevorkian:

big ol ground station even

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Reiver2003:

Arecibo?

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Kevorkian:

thats the kinda shit they pull crap from mars on .

[02:02:42]

Kevorkian:

gona hack spirt ?

[02:02:58]

Kevorkian:

have it trace out your name on the surface of mars ?

[02:03:04]

Kevorkian:

now that would be a nice hack.,

[02:03:20]

kash:

this is interesting

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kormoc:

kash, I still donno why they would do that when they could use the same freqs to send 16 channels rather then 1 channel only a select few people could view...

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** kormoc shrugs **

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chuk:

are there any FTA test HD channels?

[02:04:04]

chuk:

demos, etc

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Kevorkian:

I would assume so.

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chuk:

well, I should say, does anyone know of any?

[02:04:44]

Kevorkian:

where are you ??

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Kevorkian:

us ?>

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chuk:

US

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squish102:

i never know where the best forum is to search for errors :(

[02:05:12]

squish102:

google is know help because the one i cannot remember is not indexed by google

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Kevorkian:

I would guess thats a start

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Kevorkian:

but thats more a fta / sat / dvb thing then really myth ..

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chuk:

does the 8psk stuff only refer to encryption?

[02:08:51]

chuk:

yeah

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chuk:

just figured someone had tried that before

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** Kevorkian shrugs **

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Kevorkian:

but looking at the color codes at the bottom .. looks like 12501 should be in the clear.

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Kevorkian:

not encrypted that is

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Kevorkian:

so .. 8psk should not refer to any enryption ..

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Kevorkian:

I think.

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a5benwillis:

whoah! what did I miss LOL

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kash:

is there anything *not* encoded in h264 and i can use to test my frontend? it doesn't like it.

[02:18:51]

a5benwillis:

I dont know of any HD thats in the clear

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opello:

OTA local channels should be

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a5benwillis:

opello: we were speaking of sat though

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chuk:

satellite

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opello:

oh, heh, sorry

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clever:

14:55 < clever> what can i do so ffmpeg doesnt give that error?

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kash:

clever: update ffmpeg to te SVN

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clever:

ahh

[02:21:02]

clever:

and remove the binary package?

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kash:

yes

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clever:

where would i get the svn tree for ffmpeg?

[02:21:49]

kash:

or leave it and use ./configure --prefix=/usr when you install the svn

[02:21:57]

kash:

google it :)

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clever:

lol

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clever:

and the mythweb script that is causing the error uses an abolute path to it

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clever:

so installing to a place still in path wont help without editing the script

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clever:

checking out...

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GreyFoxx:

Or you could symlink the defined location to where you install it :)

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clever:

and the symlink would have to go over the existing binary from ubuntu:P

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GreyFoxx:

Not if you are familiar with the mv command

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GreyFoxx:

mv /usr/bin/ffmpeg /usr/bin/ffmpeg.org; ln -s /usr/local/bin/ffmpeg /usr/bin/ffmpeg

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clever:

the package scripts would still get confused if they say try to remove the ffmpeg from the package

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clever:

and wind up removing my symlink instead

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clever:

or upgrades may trash the symlink

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GreyFoxx:

Yet another reason I detest packages :)

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clever:

lol

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clever:

package is allready removed:P

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GreyFoxx:

It's my system, don't treat me like and idiot

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clever:

aslong as nothing pulls it in i should be safe

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clever:

making...

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clever:

GreyFoxx: crap:P

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clever:

/usr/include/Imlib2.h:108: error: syntax error before '*' token

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clever:

one of the many errors from making ffmpeg

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hads:

What are you trying to do?

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clever:

build svn ffmpeg

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hads:

I gathered that. Why?

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clever:

the packaged version from ubuntu cant handle nuv->flv conversions for the mythweb player

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clever:

so i cant play any files in mythweb's player

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hads:

Just because it's missing mp3 etc. or because of the nuv thing?

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clever:

the nuv thing

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hads:

Ah. I use MPEG and just rebuilt the package to support the restriced formats. It was cake.

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clever:

theres mpeg4 within the nuv's

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clever:

isnt rtjpeg:P

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clever:

wb hadees

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hadees:

is there anyway to tell if an encryption method is specified on a channel over QAM? can any of the DVB tools do it? And/or is there anyway to get mythtv to ignore this information and just record anyway?

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hadees:

i think some of my channels aren't sending any encryption bit and it is causing mythtv to incorrectly think what i am watching is encrypted

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someninjamaster:

i think im going to go with this board

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someninjamaster:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . p;CatId=2320

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kormoc:

keep in mind ATI is not so linux friendly

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Kevorkian:

yea .. someninjamaster .. ati + linux = bad things

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someninjamaster:

hmm so i may just go with the 69 doller combo

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Kevorkian:

i built one box .. with a ati card load was at like 7 or 8 .. with a vida card like 3 gens older .. the load was like 1

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Kevorkian:

ati is not so linux friendly with its drivers.

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Kevorkian:

which I think is strange . they obviously know something about unix type os's .... its ati cards in the new macs

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someninjamaster:

that specfic board has that listed as having drivers

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Kevorkian:

having .. yes ..

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Kevorkian:

do they work efficiently .. thats another issue

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someninjamaster:

all im going to be doing is dvi out to a tv

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Kevorkian:

just saying .. in general .. ati isnt very linux friendly.

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** Kevorkian shrugs **

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someninjamaster:

hmm

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Kevorkian:

Might work .. might not.

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someninjamaster:

damn this is a tough choice

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nero_:

someninjamaster, it shouldn't be..

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nero_:

xv + ATI == a sad someninjamaster

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nero_:

there is a reason why just about every single happy (note the "happy" part) mythtv user has an nvidia card.

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clever:

MARK

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someninjamaster:

ok

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someninjamaster:

you have sold me

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nero_:

clever, you talkin to me?

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someninjamaster:

guess im going to send the ram i just ordered back

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someninjamaster:

the deal has been sealed thanks

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nero_:

hehe.. the specify "MythTV" as a linux 'feature'.. :)

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Kevorkian:

just say you never got the ram .. and have your cc company fight for you :-D

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nero_:

how much RAM will you have sending some back?

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Kevorkian:

i think he said he orderd liek 2gig ..

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someninjamaster:

none ill have to order somemore

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Kevorkian:

for a myth box

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someninjamaster:

because it was the same price as one

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nero_:

2gig is way overkill.. you can easily get away with 512meg or 1gig..

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someninjamaster:

and 10 dollers more than 512

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Kevorkian:

not too long ago .. I order some scsii discs .. like 4 of them .. the ups guy put em on the side of the house .. I thought I never got them .. fought to get my money back for like 2 weeks ..

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Kevorkian:

then one day im trming teh hedges ..

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Kevorkian:

and I find them

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someninjamaster:

did they still work

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Kevorkian:

yea ..

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Kevorkian:

did I call up the company to tell them I got them ??

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kormoc:

nero_, depends on the theme...

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nero_:

kormoc, true..

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Kevorkian:

as a matter of fact I tried to .. but could never find the right person to talk to.

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someninjamaster:

now that ram and mobo and cpu are decided

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someninjamaster:

now i need to find a hd and cpu cooler

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Kevorkian:

hd = fast

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Kevorkian:

faster the better

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someninjamaster:

im thinking about 500gb

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Kevorkian:

as long as its fast ;-)

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kormoc:

meh

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someninjamaster:

so 512 should be plenty of ram

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kormoc:

any new sata/sata2 is fast enough

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kormoc:

someninjamaster, depends on the theme and what else you want to do

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nero_:

kormoc- is there a theme more memory intensive than MePo?

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someninjamaster:

mainly just the default theme

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Kevorkian:

for one tuner .. yea .. when you start trying to do 5 transcodes and 4 tuners .. ..

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someninjamaster:

i have a pvr-500

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kormoc:

nero_, some of juski's wides might be, some of those take 1g+

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nero_:

(I am using mepo @ 1360x768, and have plenty of headroom with 1 gig)

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GreyFoxx:

And with some of the work gbee is doing that memory usage might go down

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, still likely more then enough, that's only 9 streams at say 5 mbit a sec, still plenty

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someninjamaster:

hows this look http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . p;CatId=2459

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Captain_Murdoch:

GreyFoxx: am I correct in thinking that you still have to connect to the serial port in order to get Linux running on the RM4100?

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GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: yes, just the once to flash it

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Captain_Murdoch:

thought so. did you buy a cable/converter or make one with a chip?

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GreyFoxx:

pparently many people are flashing with a full pc bios from the zenega/s100's but I haven't tried it

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GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: I made one

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Captain_Murdoch:

have you used the USB ports on it?

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GreyFoxx:

ordered some chip samples from maxim and soldered it up

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GreyFoxx:

Yup, with external drives and dvdroms

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GreyFoxx:

You can order premades online for less than $29 I thnk

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Captain_Murdoch:

cool. I bought 2 of them off eBay and want to hook one up as a low-end SD FE/BE for my in-laws. thinking of using a PVR-USB2 box, but will concept test with my ConvertX box first.

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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Captain_Murdoch:

will put the other in my bedroom as a frontend to replace this dlink upnp box I think. I miss the full-featured frontend. :)

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GreyFoxx:

Hey, you know much about the IPTV recorder? I'm getting weird lockups. I can reproduce easily

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Captain_Murdoch:

don't know anything at all about it.

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GreyFoxx:

hehe we have one of them in our bedroom too. The wife likes the lack of noise from our previous one in there

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Captain_Murdoch:

saw your posts

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GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: I've done some testing, and I can repeated start LiveTV IPTV feeds with no problem, but after a regular recording finishes no new ones can start

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, this will use a little more power than the dlink box, but still silent.

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Captain_Murdoch:

backend errors out trying to start the recorder or what?

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GreyFoxx:

nope, just halts on aqApp->processEvents()

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Captain_Murdoch:

ah, ok, remember seeing you post that yesterday or the day before when I was looking in scrollback.

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GreyFoxx:

the recorder reloads the channel list (in an m3u files) and after calling get from httpcoms or the QURL stuff it does a processEvents and that's it

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GreyFoxx:

But the jobequeue is still running

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Captain_Murdoch:

it doesn't use the main event thread

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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Captain_Murdoch:

runs in it's own separate thread but it does send events sometime, but I'm not sure if those calls would block or not. I doubt it.

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GreyFoxx:

I've got a cool VLC hack going on, giving me 8 digital channels off a single DVB vcard, but this is making it useless heh

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, saw that. sounds neat.

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GreyFoxx:

Works amazingly well too

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GreyFoxx:

chews up 10% cpu on my box even if I have 8 recordings at once

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Captain_Murdoch:

so after the first recording completes, then it locks on processevent?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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GreyFoxx:

I can keep starting new ones just fine until 1 completes. Then the next to start locks it

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GreyFoxx:

But, I can start livetv, close, start livetv, close, etc etc without any troubles

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Captain_Murdoch:

any backend logs with "-v record" debugging?

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GreyFoxx:

I can make one easily enough

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Captain_Murdoch:

just looking at the source now to see if anything stands out at me.

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GreyFoxx:

Actually, here is one from this morning, just a few "moo" debug statements sprinkled in

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.pastebin.ca/508722

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GreyFoxx:

That's from -v most

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, do you have the part from where the previous recording ended?

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GreyFoxx:

The Input Initialized and m_freebox lines I added to IPTVChannel::Open, which is calling IPTVChannelFetcher::DownloadPlaylist. DownloadPlaylist. calls either URLFetcher::FetchData or an httpcoms call depending on if the file is local or not

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GreyFoxx:

sure

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Captain_Murdoch:

wondering if the tear down doesn't do something since it is a little bit different for LiveTV vs recording.

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Captain_Murdoch:

so you can enter/exit livetv multiple times while regular recordings are going on and can still start new recordings, but if a regular recording ends, then no new recordings can start?

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.pastebin.ca/508733

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GreyFoxx:

right

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GreyFoxx:

That last pastebin is the start and end of a 2 minute recording

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GreyFoxx:

the the previous pastebin is the failed recording right after it

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok.

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GreyFoxx:

And insane amount of logs for a startup/shutdown of the iptvrecorder heh

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HalonChilled:

Hi, I already setup my mythtv frontend/backend system and I want to change the IP of the backend so I can add additional frontends, how do i get back to the backend configuration?

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GreyFoxx:

mythtv-setup

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HalonChilled:

greyfoxx tried it wont let me

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GreyFoxx:

What happens when you try to run it ?

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Kevorkian:

it wont let you ?? hit it with a hammer .. im sure after a few taps it will understand who is boss.

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HalonChilled:

GreyFoxx: i dont want to flood so here http://www.pastebin.ca/508740

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kormoc:

HalonChilled, startx and then run it

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HalonChilled:

kormoc i think i have it running but let me see

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Kevorkian:

the whole "cant open display" means it isnt running.

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, or it's running as a different user

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GreyFoxx:

or that his DISPLAY variable isn't set

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Kevorkian:

OR .. hes sshed into the box .. and no X on his local term

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HalonChilled:

i will tell what happens im rebooting the mythbox 1 sec

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HalonChilled:

i was sshed into the box

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Kevorkian:

well .. there is the problem

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kormoc:

ssh -Y mythserver

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HalonChilled:

im gunna do it from the boc itself

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Kevorkian:

-Y only works if he has a X server local.

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kormoc:

assuming you are running an X server locally and you have X forwarding enabled on the remote box's sshd

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Kevorkian:

hehe

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, sure, but there's X for linux, os x, and windows

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Kevorkian:

of course ..

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Captain_Murdoch:

GreyFoxx: can you get a sample of a LiveTV session starting and stopping with the same "-v most" log output?

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Kevorkian:

But .. being that he did not know what "cant open display" ment .. the chances that he has a local X server are reduced.

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GreyFoxx:

sure

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Captain_Murdoch:

has to be something different going on between Live and regular

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HalonChilled:

that did the trick guys thanks

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HalonChilled:

my user account on my mythbox wasnt a part of the mythgroup

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GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: www.phaze.org/mythtv/livetv-iptv.log

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GreyFoxx:

that's a fresh backend start, and 2 starts/stops of livetv in arow

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HalonChilled:

what is the command to put in "User Job #1 Command" to reduce noise of my recordings? if I add this command will it greatly slow down my box?

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kormoc:

HalonChilled, check the wiki

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HalonChilled:

kormoc link plz

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kormoc:

HalonChilled, try the one that is in the channel topic

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kormoc:

HalonChilled, /topic

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GreyFoxx:

/topic

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HalonChilled:

tyvm

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Captain_Murdoch:

GreyFoxx: do you know much about the iptvrecorder?

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GreyFoxx:

nope. DK rewrote the whole thing since last I looked at it

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** GreyFoxx looks at the time and realizes he should be sleeping.... early morning meeting tomorrow :( **

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Captain_Murdoch:

I wonder why the iptvchannel is setting inQtThread to true when it calls DownloadPlaylist, because iptvchannel::open() is called in the main recording thread it appears.

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** GreyFoxx does a quick test of setting that to false ;) **

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Captain_Murdoch:

inQtThread == true causes HttpComms::getHttp() to call qApp->processEvents() inside the busy loop. you might try changing the true to a false inside iptvchannel::open where it calls downloadplaylist(). just a guess, but that may be because I don't know enough about the iptvrecorder or qt.

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Anduin:

I didn't look far enough, but if it is in the recording thread it is an error

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Captain_Murdoch:

the channel change is done by the main recording thread right?

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Captain_Murdoch:

handletuning()?

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GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: Setting it to false causes the lockup to happen right at backend startup where the backend first calls downlooad playlist as it loads each tuner

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Anduin:

When I glanced at it the other night it looked like it was called when constructing the recorder

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Captain_Murdoch:

may be. I haven't worked in the innards of the recorders that recently.

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kristok:

can i tell mythfilldatabase to only update one channel?

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Captain_Murdoch:

GreyFoxx: that would probably make sense. :(

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Anduin:

Yeah, I only spent a few minutes hoping something would jump out as wrong

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Captain_Murdoch:

ditto.

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Anduin:

kristok: No

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kristok:

bleh

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kristok:

thanks

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GreyFoxx:

oh well, I'll keep banging my head off it until something sticks out :)

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GreyFoxx:

but for now, sleepy time :)

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GreyFoxx:

thanks!

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Captain_Murdoch:

tvrec::init() calls tvrec::createchannel() which calls iptvchannel::open() I think iptvchannel::open() gets called in other places though, like TVRec::TuningFrequency

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, I'll look for a few more minutes and /msg if I find anything.

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GreyFoxx:

thanks

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achew22:

Does anyone have any sugestions for getting component video out?

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Kevorkian:

in regards to what achew22 ?

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achew22:

by any means, I'm building a new box and have an old one so if I can find a pci[-e] way of doing it then awesome, but otherwise I'm building a new box

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Kevorkian:

or even thease

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Kevorkian:

http://www.national-tech.com/catalog/vgatorca . . . deocable.htm

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achew22:

Kevorkian, the cables are designed for from component to vga

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hads_:

Or a video card with component output

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achew22:

the box is not to be trusted as it doesn't have a perfect conversion and can really mess the TV up

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achew22:

Kevorkian, its not as simple as it would seem

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achew22:

Kevorkian, for future reference though when you claim something is so simple you should read the line all over the page that says "Not for computer use"

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Kevorkian:

what the fuck is wrong with you ?

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hads_:

*yawn*

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Kevorkian:

did you read what I wrote ?

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Kevorkian:

when did I claim something was simple ?

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Kevorkian:

I asked you if you were talking about something simple like the link.

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achew22:

something along the lines of PCI[-e]

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Kevorkian:

Perhaps we should define the relationship here .. Your the one asking the question. I am the one that is trying to help. You are not paying me. I simply attempted to more closely define your request. and then you go off and become a dick.

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Kevorkian:

and the line about not for computer use ..

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Kevorkian:

you shoudl read it again

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Kevorkian:

what does it say ?

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achew22:

Kevorkian, if you were in fact trying to narrow the results your question was ambiguous and I appologise

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achew22:

"HD15 (VGA) Male to RCA x 3 Male, D / Shield, (VGA to Component Video), 10 ft — Not For Computer Use"

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Kevorkian:

the note on the page with the box is

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Kevorkian:

Note: This converter is not intended to connect a PC to a standard-definition television.

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achew22:

is it true that you can just plug the Y from YPbPr into a standard def tv and it will work? someone told me that and I don't know if I beleive

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Kevorkian:

first off .. comptent can cary diffrent signals ..

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kormoc:

achew22, actually that link is fine for use with a computer, if you bother to read the warning, it says that it's not for computer to a standard def tv, it's safe for hdtv...

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Kevorkian:

it can carry SD and all the way up to 1080

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, heh, beat me to it

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Kevorkian:

if its SD on the cables .. then you can plug it into a SD tv ..

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kormoc:

no SDtvs use component tho

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pat_:

mine does

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kormoc:

really

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kormoc:

?

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** kormoc blinks **

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Kevorkian:

as I said .. it CAN ..

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pat_:

widescreen crt

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achew22:

they use composite or component or whichever one the just yello

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Kevorkian:

just one is composite

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kormoc:

rca is the one with just the yellow

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kormoc:

well, rca plugs

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Kevorkian:

rca is the type of plug

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pat_:

kormoc, three cables for the display, two for the audio

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pat_:

that's component

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kormoc:

yeah that is

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pat_:

that's what my tv uses

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Kevorkian:

thats composite ..

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Kevorkian:

compotent is when the vid signal is split into three

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hads_:

Our old 32" widescreen CRT has component inputs

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Kevorkian:

yes .. compotent can carry SD .. but it can also carry 1080p

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Kevorkian:

and all the mixes inbetween.

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hads_:

If that was directed at me then no need to convince me, I know :)

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Kevorkian:

someone was confused at the differences ..

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Kevorkian:

I also used to get confused.

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Kevorkian:

the words are so close.

[05:03:07]

Kevorkian:

just a few letters diffrent

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Kevorkian:

but anyway .. back to achew22 .. your looking for a vga to SD component converter ?

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achew22:

indeed I am

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Kevorkian:

well .. to be honest .. your best bet is to find a vid card that does svid out .. and then simply split that.

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Kevorkian:

or simply use svid as aposed to compotent.

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hads_:

Or component out

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hads_:

Nvidia cards have done component out for ages if you have the correct break out box.

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pat_:

to see the difference between rf/composite/svideo/component, look at http://www.hifi-writer.com/he/video/index.htm

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Kevorkian:

thats still just splitng teh svid.

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pat_:

there is barely any quality difference between svideo and component at sd resolutions

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Kevorkian:

its .. slight .. I can see the dif .. but that might be a cheap svid cable.

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Kevorkian:

not much .. but slight

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hads_:

Kevorkian: The Nvidia cards 's-video' port isn't just a standard s-video port though

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Kevorkian:

yea .. its a vivo ..

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Kevorkian:

or whatever the hell that is

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** Kevorkian as broken more then one jaming a svid cable into it **

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Kevorkian:

quick gogole isnt showing many vid cards that will do SD compotent

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pat_:

look at the pictures, clear as day

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pat_:

friend of mine has a gigabyte geforce 6200 pci-e which does component

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Kevorkian:

svid .. is like .. poor mans compotent ..

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pat_:

*shrug*, decide from yourself based on the pictures

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Kevorkian:

will it do SD ?

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pat_:

yup

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Kevorkian:

there ya go achew22

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Kevorkian:

a 6200

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Kevorkian:

and its vida .. so its linux friendly

[05:11:49]

Kevorkian:

in the orginal 2 vs 3 vs 5 things

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Kevorkian:

but anyway

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achew22:

Kevorkian, thankyou

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hads_:

Like I said, Nvidia cards have been doing component output for ages, since the 6xxx series.

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Kevorkian:

composite = sucky .. svid = better .. compotent = silighty better then svid @ SD .. dvi-D = the man.

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achew22:

Kevorkian, I'm not blessed with a digital in

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** Kevorkian wonders if this 6600 will do it also. **

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hads_:

As long as the pins are wired up and you have a breakout box it will.

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Kevorkian:

you got any reference sites ?? ill wire something up now.

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Kevorkian:

oh wait .. I dun have a vivo nakid vivo plug

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pat_:

with his card came a little box with a few plugs and sockets on it (component and svideo plugs) it had a cable that plugged into the card via a not quite svideo connector

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pat_:

that's the breakout box you require

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Kevorkian:

yea .. that almost svid is a vivo .. the thought was to allow it to do input thru the same port ..

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Kevorkian:

Video In Video Out

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Kevorkian:

vivo

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Kevorkian:

or soemthing like that

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hads_:

It's to do multiple outputs.

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HalonChilled:

ok heres my msg then http://pastebin.ca/508872

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HalonChilled:

Kevorkian what do I do to fix that?

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Kevorkian:

how to fix it is another issue .. just letting you know what your sysmptons mean.

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Kevorkian:

lets you know that its not a problem with myth

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Kevorkian:

its someplace in lirc

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HalonChilled:

Kevorkian ok do you know where I should look to get it fixed?

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Kevorkian:

not for nothing .. have you checked the batterys in the remote ?

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HalonChilled:

Kevorkian yep

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Kevorkian:

do you have a ir dector that you can verify the remote is not broken ?

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HalonChilled:

Kevorkian if its a dead remote im gunna be very pissed cause ive spent over 10 hours with this thing

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kormoc:

HalonChilled, check the wiki

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Kevorkian:

or a portable am radio ?

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, digital camera is typically the fav

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HalonChilled:

Kevorkian what could I use as an IR detector?

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Kevorkian:

tune the am radio it a static chan .. and press a button .. you should hear a click

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kormoc:

HalonChilled, digital cams, you can see the transmitter glow

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Kevorkian:

or a cam that can detect IR .. more cam corders and web type cams will pick up some IR

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Dagmar:

what?

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Dagmar:

Since freaking when does a battery powered remote make enough EMI-spam to be heard on an AM radio

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Kevorkian:

it does

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Kevorkian:

try it.

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kormoc:

some do, not all

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Dagmar:

Mine don't.

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Kevorkian:

all of mine do.

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HalonChilled:

Kevorkian I have a Pentax camera and a camera on my cell phone )which is pretty new is the nice samsung) I just put my old stero with AM down in the basement to make room for my mythbox

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Kevorkian:

if one of them will see IR .. then check it that way.

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Kevorkian:

just to be sure .. if its simple ..

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Kevorkian:

ya never know.

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HalonChilled:

kevorkian how do i use a cammera to check the ir?

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kormoc:

HalonChilled, take a picture of the remote when holding down a button?

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Kevorkian:

leave it in view mode .. press a button n the remote ..

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kormoc:

see if the transmitter is glowing?

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Kevorkian:

it shoudl .. glow.

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HalonChilled:

ok will do

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hads_:

Probably something to do with taking a photo I'd guess :)

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kormoc:

hads_, who would of thunk it

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Kevorkian:

might even not have to take a pic .. it might show up in the view screen.

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HalonChilled:

kevorkian it showed up on the view screen i could see the ir blinking white

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Kevorkian:

thats a good thing then

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Kevorkian:

what type of ir reciver hardware are you using ?

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Kevorkian:

is it built into the 150 ?

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HalonChilled:

hauppauge pvr-150

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Kevorkian:

I know the 250 has a cable and ir reciver that plugs into teh card

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HalonChilled:

kevorkian so does mine

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HalonChilled:

kevorkian and its plugged in and in the right spot...

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Kevorkian:

k .. now stupid question .. has it ever worked ?

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Kevorkian:

as in .. in windows or another os ..

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HalonChilled:

kevorkian nope i just bought it... my windows system is down because my mobo went funky but i can try installing it on another pc

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Kevorkian:

ok .. is lircd running on the myth box ?

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar every last bit of it about 20 times

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HalonChilled:

Kevorkian well i type lircd and it goes to the next command prompt i assume its running

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samesame:

has a day ever passed in this room where lircd HASNT been mentioned?

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Dagmar:

HalonChilled: If you're going to start bullshitting I will simply ignore you, kthx

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar i am not bsing i am telling you ive done it repeatidly to exclude human error

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Dagmar:

LIRC is not hard to get working, but it *does* have a lot of steps, and if you ho-hum your way past *even one* it will do nothing

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar and ive coppied it directly

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samesame:

HalonChilled are you telling porkies?

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Dagmar:

So the lirc_i2c kernel module has loaded then? What did it say in the syslog when it was loaded

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar I have followed every step to the T to my knowlege, but my knowlege of unix and ubuntu are small enough that i wouldnt have realized if somthing worked

[05:57:09]

HalonChilled:

Dagmar you mean after i ran './setup.sh' and "saved and Configured"

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samesame:

HalonChilled: The mythtv manual clearly states "a reasonable knowledge of linux is required when using mythtv"

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Kevorkian:

HalonChilled, ps aux | grep lircd .. what does that tell you ?

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Dagmar:

No, I mean at the point when you typed `modprobe lirc_i2c` like you said you did

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar i get another command line

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar should it say somthing?

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Kevorkian:

just another line ?? no error message ?

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HalonChilled:

kevorkian nopeno error msg

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Dagmar:

HalonChilled: So what gets written to /var/log/syslog when you do that... anything?

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Dagmar:

...and does `lsmod | grep lirc` show the module loaded

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar let me check

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Kevorkian:

back up a moment .. how did you install myth ??

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar hmm did you want me to type 'lsmod | grep lirc' or type 'lsmod' then 'grep lirc'?

[06:07:23]

Dagmar:

I typed _exactly the command to use_

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Kevorkian:

ok .. HalonChilled .. you did not understand a pipe .. go download knoppmyth .. play with that.

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar ok 1 sec i miss understood

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Kevorkian:

anyone know of a good repo that has libdvdcss ?

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kormoc:

Hello Miss Understood. That is a strange surname, Italian perhaps?

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** Kevorkian looks at kormoc sideways **

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar 'lsmod | grep lirc' displays "lirc_i2c 11268 0

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HalonChilled:

lirc_dev 15988 1 lirc_i2c

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HalonChilled:

i2c_core 22784 11 i2c_ec,cx88xx,bttv,lirc_i2c,wm8775,cx25840,tuner,ivtv,i2c_algo_bit,tveeprom,nvid ia"

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** kormoc whispers to Kevorkian, "It's misunderstood, one s, no spaces" **

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Kevorkian:

AHHH

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HalonChilled:

my spacebar key is broken way to make fun

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Kevorkian:

oh come on .. you are BEGGING to be made fun of.

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HalonChilled:

i am trying to learn

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Kevorkian:

and you shall ..

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Kevorkian:

but while you are .. you will be made fun of.

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HalonChilled:

trust me i have come a long way in 4 days

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Dagmar:

So, now continuing the uphill battle... Is anything being written to the syslog when those modules are loaded?

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Kevorkian:

its like a rite of passage.

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Dagmar:

Were you struggling to figure out which end of hte keyboard goes in your mouth four days ago?

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** Kevorkian tells HalonChilled .. in a new window .. tail -f /var/log/syslog ... and just keep it open **

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar syslog is rediculously long should iclear it out and then try the modprobe command and tell you want it says

[06:12:53]

Dagmar:

No you should not bother clearing it out

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Kevorkian:

clear it out ?

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Dagmar:

...and if you pastebin the whole bloody thing for me to look at or something I am washing my hands of this

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** Kevorkian sighs **

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, dmesg -c clears after output

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Dagmar:

If you open a new terminal and type `tail -f /var/log/syslog` you will not need to worry about it. Just trust us

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Dagmar:

That will make new messages written to that file be displayed to the terminal in near-realtime

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** Kevorkian looks at kormoc sideways again **

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Kevorkian:

hes talking about syslog

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar done do you want me to pastebin the `tail -f /var/log/syslog`?

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Dagmar:

No.

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Dagmar:

I just need you to _do_ it

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Kevorkian:

just keep that open in a new window

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, sure, typically people use dmesg to view /var/log/kernel or /var/log/messages or whatever the distro defined as the log file

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, or he could just echo "" > /var/log/file

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Kevorkian:

dmesg is diffrent then sys

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Dagmar:

Then type `rmmod lirc_i2c lirc_dev` to make it unload the lirc modules, give it a moment, and then do a `modprobe lirc_i2c`

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, dmesg and sys will show the same thing in this case. it's all kernel messages

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Dagmar:

kormoc: I suspect that would be possibly the worst way to tell someone to clear syslog

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Dagmar:

Not all syslog implementations notice a truncated file

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kormoc:

Dagmar, heh, yeah... tho some also don't notice missing files as well

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Dagmar:

Yep

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar ok i have 2 terminals open one with the command the the other is open

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Dagmar:

Then type `rmmod lirc_i2c lirc_dev` to make it unload the lirc modules, give it a moment, and then do a `modprobe lirc_i2c`

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar again im sorry if my lack of knowlege is frustraiting

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kormoc:

had a redhat 5.2 that when log rotate ran, all logging was gone till the box rebooted or syslog was restarted

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Kevorkian:

that is not as uncommon as you think

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Dagmar:

Oh there were more retarded things about 5.2's syslog than that

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Kevorkian:

there was one box that use to keep writing to the 'rotated' syslog .. cause the inode was the same.

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kormoc:

yeah well, 5.2 was a special pile of hate

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar done and the tail window somthing poped up

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar the other with the command just went to a new prompt

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kormoc:

hads, nice

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

I said ha, nice

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar would you like me to copy and paste the log entry that happened after the 'modprobe lirc_i2c'?

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Dagmar:

HalonChilled: Yes, acutally, but to pastebin

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar will do

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hads:

heh, I was wondering what was going on there.

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Kevorkian:

did it say something like .. IR Remote control driver registered ?

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Dagmar:

It *should* have just been a few lines. If it doesn't seem to have encountered a problem, then we at least know the driver *might* be sane

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar http://pastebin.ca/508910

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar just one line

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Dagmar:

HalonChilled: Okay, that's excellent

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar finally some good news =)

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Kevorkian:

well means the driver is loading .. and not barfing.

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HalonChilled:

unlike me yesterday when i had the keyboard in my mouth or so you say

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Kevorkian:

BUT .. now we need to see if the lircd is seeng the reciver.

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Tanthrix:

Is compiling with --enable-proc-opt a good idea?

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar so whats the next step?

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: That depends on how much excitement you like in your life

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Dagmar:

HalonChilled: Next we look at /dev/lirc* to make sure it's acutally there.

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Kevorkian:

ls /dev/lirc*

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Tanthrix:

And I'm going to be setting up an A180 soon

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: You're basiclaly asking "should I drive faster?"

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Dagmar:

It's entirely context-sensitive.

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Dagmar:

For instance, you could be on the highway doing 15mph, in which case the answer, barring traffic, would be a wholehearted "yes"

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Dagmar:

You could be in a school zone, doing 35mph, which would mean the answer is "no"

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Dagmar:

A cop might have seen you doing 35mph in a school zone, in which case the answer depends on just how exciting you want your day to be

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HalonChilled:

I thought school kids were 10 points each

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Tanthrix:

Dagar: Well, I don't have any idea what it means, hence my asking ;)

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Dagmar:

--enable-proc-opt depends on the package you're wanting to apply it to mainly

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juski:

I mean we'd not bother with somebody asking "how do I list the contents of a directory"

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kormoc:

juski, even if that's made offical, it'll never end...

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HalonChilled:

juski this is for my mythbox

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Dagmar:

If you're using a really weird version of gcc, that would be a big push for "no"

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Dagmar:

If the maintainer/developer of the package themselves aren't using that option, then "hell no"

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Kevorkian:

HalonChilled, you might want to shut up for a moment.

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: What exactly does it do?

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HalonChilled:

Kevorkian will do

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Dagmar:

As far as I know, with the driver modules loaded, the next step is to fire up lircd

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juski:

this pisses me off frequently. I've heard countless stories of how people 'fail' to make working mythtv systems – when mythtv isn't what gave a user most problems.. but because mythtv is involved somewhere in the periphery it gets tarred with the same very wide brush as lirc

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Dagmar:

If lircd isn't running, irw isn't going to emit much since it reads the socket lircd writes to

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gardengnome:

morning

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juski:

morning gardengnome. you're up early. job interview later? :-P

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Kevorkian:

then ps aux | grep lircd

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gardengnome:

juski: huh? work? naw

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar yes I do

[06:32:44]

juski:

HalonChilled: what you mean to say is "to the best of my knowledge I do"

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Dagmar:

Juski has a point

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gardengnome:

juski: you're up early as well. the reasy for me being up early is this construction site next to my place where they decided to use they heaviest and noisiest machine they have at 7:45am. fsckers.

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Dagmar:

IF everything you claimed so far was true, the stuff would work

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juski:

gardengnome: the reason I'm up so early is that erm.. I'm sick of traffic holding me up in the morning, so getting to work before 7.30am lets me sneak out early :)

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar yes to the best of my knowlege i do I looked for a config file for the exact modle number (behind the batteries on a sticker) that maches my remote

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Kevorkian:

and the

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Kevorkian:

ps aux | grep lircd ..

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gardengnome:

juski: you've got to be _very_ motivated. ;)

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Kevorkian:

is it running ?

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Kevorkian:

if trhe ps line returns you something like the lircd line .. then test with irw

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juski:

"Users do not have any right to reply. END OF STORY". that should do it

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HalonChilled:

kevorkian http://pastebin.ca/508930

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Tanthrix:

So, why the hell does Arch Linux not have qt-devel in the package repositories...

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Kevorkian:

ok .. HalonChilled .. now .. irw .. and press buttons on your remote

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juski:

Tanthrix: because you can just grab the source from trolltech yourself anyway?

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HalonChilled:

ok

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Kevorkian:

you should see something from irw

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Dagmar:

HalonChilled: okay, so at this point irw should emit *something*

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gardengnome:

juski: i don't understand your posting. why shouldn't users be allowed to reply?

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Kevorkian:

because they are USERS ...

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** Kevorkian shrugs **

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Tanthrix:

juski: They seem to not have nearly any devel stuff

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Tanthrix:

juski: But, using your logic, why bother with any packages of any kind, since you can just go straight to the source?

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gardengnome:

Tanthrix: it's based on gentoo. maybe the -dev stuff is already in there main package

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar 'irw' says nothing

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Dagmar:

Looks like your hardware is broken then

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HalonChilled:

Dagmar but i have 2 things in my tail window 1 i think is unrelated

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Tanthrix:

gardengnome: Possible, but it doesn't seem to be the case for QT at least. I have it installed, yet no sign of qmake

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juski:

gardengnome: the day users end up having a say when they've never lifted a finger.. I hope hell freezes over first

[06:40:45]

gardengnome:

juski: as long as they stay in forum, they don't damage anything ;)

[06:40:45]

HalonChilled:

Dagmar log reads "May 25 02:37:33 mythbox lircd-0.8.2-CVS[26245]: caught signal"

[06:40:54]

gardengnome:

Tanthrix: maybe it's somewhere in /opt/ and not in your path

[06:40:59]

Kevorkian:

I know not of your specific posting juski .. just speaking in general here .. but is not the end user that should drive the dev ?

[06:41:05]

juski:

gardengnome: true. not as if any developers read it or go anywhere near

[06:41:13]

juski:

Kevorkian: not IMHO no

[06:41:15]

Dagmar:

HalonChilled: Did you _send_ lircd any signals with kill or something?

[06:41:52]

Kevorkian:

HalonChilled, .. ps aux | grep lircd .. is lircd still running ?

[06:42:00]

HalonChilled:

Dagmar no i just typed 'irw' in the terminal it gave me a new command line and i pushed some buttons on my remote

[06:42:11]

Kevorkian:

irw .. gave you a new line ?

[06:42:13]

juski:

the heyday of my forum membership has long since passed. post count going through the floor :)

[06:42:23]

Tanthrix:

gardengnome: Ahh, you're right! Thanks.

[06:42:33]

juski:

HalonChilled: is lircd listening to the right device?

[06:42:39]

HalonChilled:

kevorkian a new line as always

[06:42:54]

Kevorkian:

ok . HalonChilled .. thats bad

[06:42:59]

HalonChilled:

Juski I believe so how would i check

[06:43:10]

juski:

HalonChilled: ls /dev/ |grep lirc

[06:43:34]

Kevorkian:

ok .. my bad

[06:43:40]

Tanthrix:

gardengnome: What's the best way of making myth see it?

[06:43:41]

juski:

try catting the device lircd should be listening to.. see if it outputs crud when you press remote buttons

[06:43:51]

Kevorkian:

it should have been lirc not lirc0

[06:44:24]

Kevorkian:

yea . well .. he dont have a 0 in /dev

[06:44:39]

juski:

ahahaha

[06:44:51]

Kevorkian:

/usr/sbin/lircd --driver=default --device=/dev/lirc

[06:45:16]

Kevorkian:

but .. kill the other one first

[06:45:31]

juski:

gardengnome: anyway I don't wanna start a flame war really.. I edited my posting. I just feel angry when users say "mythtv SHOULD". assholes

[06:45:50]

HalonChilled:

kevorkian how do i kill the other one

[06:45:57]

Kevorkian:

might help if you think of that line as "I woudl love it IF mythtv"

[06:46:01]

HalonChilled:

wow that must sound really bad

[06:46:05]

Tanthrix:

ln -s /opt/qt/bin/qmake /usr/bin/qmake seemed to work, though now it's complaing elsewhere

[06:46:16]

directhex:

mythtv should do the washing up for me.

[06:46:27]

juski:

instead I just pointed out that they were moaning that the way livetv works has been changed from the old way – which they thought was better – when in fact it'd been changed because of user comments in the first place. Heh

[06:46:32]

gardengnome:

juski: if you feel angry, you can come over and yell at those construction workers

[06:46:43]

gardengnome:

juski: oh, that old debate. :(

[06:46:43]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: /opt/qt/bin should be in your PATH, and QTDIR should be set as well

[06:46:46]

Kevorkian:

HalonChilled, this is starting to go beyond helping with mythtv .. this is getting into basic *inx skills

[06:47:18]

juski:

gardengnome: I think it's ironic that some users want the old way back. muhahahahaha

[06:47:39]

Kevorkian:

do yourself a favor HalonChilled .. go search for knoppmyth .. download it .. and use that.

[06:47:40]

juski:

how does the line go again.. "suffer little children.." or something?

[06:47:43]

gardengnome:

juski: users are not consistent.

[06:47:45]

HalonChilled:

kevorkian well i learn when i am told the command line, i learn by doing i have no other way, and you guys are far more knowligable so im trying to learn from you

[06:47:58]

Dagmar:

juski: There's more to that?

[06:48:04]

juski:

gardengnome: oh but they are. they're consistently a pain in the arse

[06:48:08]

Kevorkian:

yes .. but when I say kill a process .. thats a basic linux skill.

[06:48:18]

HalonChilled:

Juski "suffer the little children come onto me"

[06:48:18]

juski:

man kill

[06:48:23]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Where do I set QTDIR?

[06:48:29]

Dagmar:

HalonChilled: At your knowledge level, you really od probably want to try KnoppMyth because then at least you'd know your hardware works

[06:48:38]

juski:

HalonChilled: that just sounds wrong. can't see me ever using that one

[06:48:45]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Anywhere... Typically /etc/profile for text console logins, or in ~/.bash_profile

[06:48:57]

Dagmar:

...or even from the shell you're in

[06:49:03]

HalonChilled:

juski thats why george carlin quoted it in one of his skits

[06:49:04]

Dagmar:

This is in the Qt install docs, man

[06:49:18]

juski:

who's George Carlin?

[06:49:20]

** juski googles **

[06:49:37]

HalonChilled:

juski and you guys were making fun of me for being stupid

[06:49:38]

Kevorkian:

HalonChilled, .. that line has much more meaning then you think it does

[06:49:48]

Kevorkian:

at least when mr carlin used it

[06:49:54]

HalonChilled:

kevorkian i know both meaning

[06:50:07]

Kevorkian:

ok .. so how did mr carlin mean it ?

[06:50:24]

HalonChilled:

kevorkian i could quote the line verbatim

[06:50:31]

juski:

HalonChilled: pardon me for not being well up on american comedians from the 1960s

[06:50:42]

Kevorkian:

quoting the line verbatim does not mean you understand the meaning

[06:50:55]

Kevorkian:

juski, carlin .. is .. GOD

[06:51:11]

Kevorkian:

but you are forgiven.

[06:51:21]

juski:

Kevorkian: IYHO maybe. I can't say that of somebody I've only just heard of

[06:51:28]

Kevorkian:

HalonChilled, .. in your own words .. what did he mean with that line.

[06:51:43]

juski:

oh he's a misanthope too – I might like him then

[06:51:46]

Kevorkian:

where are you from juski ? just asking..

[06:51:52]

HalonChilled:

kevorkian carlin referenced it to clergy molestation humor saying "when jesus said suffer the the little children come onto me thats not what he was talking about"

[06:52:22]

** juski lives in the UK, for all its sins **

[06:52:29]

Kevorkian:

oh .. then you will like carlin ..

[06:52:43]

Kevorkian:

or at least you will GET most of his humor

[06:52:47]

HalonChilled:

kevorkian that jesus wasnt advocating child molestation elspeciall preiest to children

[06:53:07]

Kevorkian:

it might not be as dry as you are used to... :-D

[06:53:30]

juski:

from the page on wikipedia he seems a lot like our late Dave Allen (R.I.P. Dave)

[06:53:42]

HalonChilled:

anyways back to linux

[06:53:49]

Kevorkian:

HalonChilled, thats sorta what he ment .. but you would get a better meaning if you replaced come with cum.

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kormoc:

juski, lots of his stuff on youtube

[06:54:19]

HalonChilled:

yes but this is a computer chat and i didnt think that would be appropriate to say

[06:54:29]

Kevorkian:

why would it not be ?

[06:54:41]

Kevorkian:

its a computer chat ..

[06:54:44]

** kormoc blinks **

[06:54:51]

Kevorkian:

you can joke about anything.

[06:54:56]

Dagmar:

juski; think of Dave Allen as a "G-rated" version

[06:55:13]

Kevorkian:

even rape can be funny.

[06:55:17]

kormoc:

okay, I'm gonna call a end to this Kevorkian and HalonChilled. it's not gonna end well so enough

[06:55:20]

HalonChilled:

Kevorkian yea im jewish so i should be funny

[06:55:39]

HalonChilled:

kevorkian yea just imagine porky pig raping elmer fud

[06:55:41]

juski:

he's the dude with the beard in Bill & Ted's Excellent adventure? ahhhhh

[06:55:45]

** kormoc eyes HalonChilled **

[06:55:47]

juski:

Rufus!

[06:55:50]

Kevorkian:

and GOD ..

[06:55:52]

kormoc:

RUFUS!

[06:55:56]

Kevorkian:

dont forget GOD

[06:55:59]

Kevorkian:

in dogma

[06:56:05]

juski:

never seen Dogma

[06:56:08]

HalonChilled:

kevorkian he wasnt god

[06:56:19]

HalonChilled:

kevorkian he was cardnal glick

[06:56:27]

juski:

we're not as cultured as you like to think we are in the UK ya know :-P

[06:56:29]

Kevorkian:

Perhaps .. but close enough

[06:56:30]

HalonChilled:

kevorkian god was some lady idk her name

[06:56:38]

** juski pours another cup of Earl Grey **

[06:56:48]

Kevorkian:

dont forget the pepermin snaps

[06:57:02]

** gardengnome calls health & safety **

[06:57:06]

Kevorkian:

time for a spot of tea ol chap.

[06:57:19]

juski:

the butler isn't here yet :-|

[06:57:38]

kormoc:

juski, you should gander at Keven Smith's movies sometime, they're quite good for the most part

[06:57:58]

juski:

you should see us all, driving to work, wearing our bowler hats.. what a sight!

[06:58:16]

Kevorkian:

driving ?? not be taking the tube ?

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HalonChilled:

who was the gay british basketball player on the colbert report who jokingly agreed that all brits should be assumed gay unless otherwise mentioned?

[06:58:37]

Kevorkian:

I spent a week in london once .. dam city almost shuts down at night.

[06:58:52]

kormoc:

sadly most citys shutdown at night

[06:59:00]

** Kevorkian lives in nyc **

[06:59:08]

Kevorkian:

and grew up here ..

[06:59:18]

Kevorkian:

so I was not expecting the subway to shut down

[06:59:22]

HalonChilled:

kevorkian haha im 50 min from the city, and my gf goes to barnard

[06:59:27]

kormoc:

yeah, east coast has a monopoly on 24/7 operations

[06:59:44]

kormoc:

DC, NY, Philly

[06:59:53]

kormoc:

AC...

[07:00:00]

Kevorkian:

dc shuts down .. from friday night till mon morning

[07:00:08]

kormoc:

depends where you are

[07:00:19]

Kevorkian:

and what color your skin is ..

[07:00:22]

HalonChilled:

thats cause everyone is getting killed in dc if your out past 12

[07:00:24]

kormoc:

downtown sure does, but south east section stays hoppin

[07:00:46]

Kevorkian:

there are parts of dc that I wont even go to at night.

[07:00:53]

juski:

Kevorkian: they call Manchester a 24 hour city.. I live there & can't work out why they say that. All but 3 of the nightclubs chuck you out at 3am

[07:00:57]

Kevorkian:

and I was born in the south bronx.

[07:01:16]

Dagmar:

Because the happy slapping doesn't start until at least 3:30am

[07:01:21]

HalonChilled:

anyways should i just enjoy my mythbox as is and forget about the remote or is it still worth fixing?

[07:01:26]

Kevorkian:

happy slapping .. HAHAHA

[07:01:36]

Kevorkian:

HalonChilled, .. really .. knoppmyth

[07:01:37]

juski:

Dagmar: that's not funny. people get killed in taxi queues ffs

[07:01:40]

Kevorkian:

check it out

[07:01:44]

Dagmar:

I don't imagine they do that to too many Americans

[07:01:56]

Kevorkian:

OH MAN .. DUDE ..

[07:02:05]

HalonChilled:

Devorkian does it boot from a cd like knoppix?

[07:02:05]

Kevorkian:

ya know .. how a cig is called a fag ..

[07:02:08]

Dagmar:

I know what I do when a stranger stikes me for no reason

[07:02:12]

HalonChilled:

*kevorkian

[07:02:21]

Dagmar:

"Yeah, someone should probably call the paramedics just to be proactive"

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[07:02:27]

Kevorkian:

well .. im outside a club .. and some guy says to me .. FANCY A FAG MATE ..

[07:02:37]

directhex:

gah. who's hidden my shaver?

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Kevorkian:

and im an americian ..

[07:02:53]

Kevorkian:

lets just say that I found out what a bobby is real quick

[07:02:59]

juski:

Dagmar: there's been a few cases where folks have been knocked down by one punch & never get up again

[07:03:01]

Dagmar:

Kevorkian: You say, "Sorry, I don't speak much English. What was that again?"

[07:03:03]

gardengnome:

directhex: just wax them

[07:03:19]

juski:

gardengnome: rofl

[07:03:28]

Dagmar:

juski: Well, I can't say I've ever had the word "never" figure into it, but I have one-shotted guys before

[07:03:29]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Thanks, all worked. Didn't realize that was in the mythtv docs

[07:03:48]

xzcvczx:

Kevorkian: lol you know how you get people saying "can i bum a cig" or "can i have a fag" yet you never get them say "can i bum a fag"

[07:03:51]

HalonChilled:

i can understand why you guys wouldnt want to help me if i dont understand basic unix commands but for my own edification what is the kill command?

[07:04:01]

juski:

HalonChilled: man kill

[07:04:06]

Dagmar:

The reason you make it to "my age" when you spend most of your time out at night is that you do not "play around" with violence and strangers.

[07:04:08]

xzcvczx:

or man killall

[07:04:08]

kormoc:

HalonChilled, man kill

[07:04:36]

kormoc:

HalonChilled, man man might prove useful for you as well...

[07:04:37]

Dagmar:

If someone takes a poke at you, you _disable them_ and let the authorities settle the rest

[07:04:44]

HalonChilled:

kevorkian so which process did you want me to kill before i did the other?

[07:04:55]

Kevorkian:

the other lircd

[07:04:55]

gardengnome:

HalonChilled: open a terminal and type "man man", hit return

[07:04:58]

HalonChilled:

oh i know about man i just didnt know the kill command was kill

[07:05:13]

kormoc:

broken ankles work wonders to disable someone

[07:05:15]

Kevorkian:

the kill command isnt kill ?

[07:05:35]

** Kevorkian wonders **

[07:06:04]

gardengnome:

no, it's something more esoteric involving pixies

[07:06:10]

HalonChilled:

kevorkian well in unic copy is cp which is an wierd but understandable change but confusing when all you know is dos

[07:06:11]

** kormoc sets mode +broken_ankle Kevorkian@* **

[07:06:53]

Kevorkian:

yes .. commands do have a tendency to remove vowels

[07:07:05]

Tanthrix:

Holy dcc_build_somewhere errors batman

[07:07:12]

Dagmar:

lol

[07:07:15]

gardengnome:

brkn_ankl

[07:07:15]

kormoc:

kllll would be a awesome command

[07:07:16]

Kevorkian:

but .. kill .. is like important .. and you dun wana miss type that

[07:07:27]

Kevorkian:

alias kill killllllllllllll

[07:07:42]

kormoc:

kllll would be killall without vowels

[07:07:55]

Kevorkian:

hahaha

[07:07:57]

xzcvczx:

HalonChilled: also the much more commonly used commands are made shorter like ls,mv,cp

[07:08:00]

Kevorkian:

ok ..just got that

[07:08:04]

juski:

the bastard. he only watched my posts & quoted the text before I'd edited it

[07:08:25]

HalonChilled:

Kevorkian ok i killed the old process and exocuted "/usr/sbin/lircd --driver=default --device=/dev/lirc"

[07:08:34]

Kevorkian:

juski takes after simon

[07:08:43]

Kevorkian:

ok .. now try irw again

[07:09:01]

gardengnome:

juski: heh :)

[07:09:07]

Kevorkian:

it should NOT return you to a new command line

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juski:

gardengnome: set a good example. ban my ass from the forums forever will ya?

[07:10:40]

HalonChilled:

kevorkian it returned me to a new command line my tail window spat out the following http://pastebin.ca/508964

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Kevorkian:

ok .. not good ..

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gardengnome:

juski: no, not again...

[07:12:14]

Kevorkian:

well .. that means that something specfic to lirc is broken ..

[07:12:34]

directhex:

juski, picture of captain gaping anus!

[07:13:16]

Dagmar:

So that would seem to indicate that /dev/lirc doesn't actually exist, or it was made incorrectly

[07:13:24]

Kevorkian:

being that I only know enough of lircd to get it working under normal situations .. ill have to stop with you now. Your problems are beyond my curent knowlage.

[07:13:43]

** Kevorkian points at the shiney knoppmyth cd. **

[07:13:57]

directhex:

why is there even a #lirc? it seems we do all lirc support in 'ere

[07:14:00]

Dagmar:

...or that someone's trying to run lircd with an accounr that doesn't have read permissions to /dev/lirc

[07:14:14]

Dagmar:

It's freaking Kook Night

[07:14:31]

directhex:

night? it's 8:15 am!

[07:14:40]

Kevorkian:

minus 5 from that for me

[07:14:44]

Dagmar:

There's some arsehat in another channel complaining that he doesn't trust nVidia's "weird sh .run file" and he wants someone to help him install the driver without it

[07:14:55]

gardengnome:

directhex: it's 9:15 am. stop lying

[07:15:04]

directhex:

Dagmar, which distro? it might be for his own good

[07:15:06]

juski:

directhex: they don't like the rod they've made for their own back? awww

[07:15:07]

HalonChilled:

the lirc channel refered me here

[07:15:21]

gardengnome:

we should open an offtopic channel

[07:15:22]

Dagmar:

HalonChilled: Well, it's their problem.

[07:15:26]

juski:

Dagmar: get him to check the .sh file with a virus scanner

[07:15:38]

Kevorkian:

dont tell the lirc people that its for myth .. just ask them to get irw working for you.

[07:15:44]

juski:

gardengnome: we've got one. it's called #mythtv-users

[07:15:45]

Dagmar:

juski: I told him to call up one of his friends in Crazy Paranoid Land and ask them to help him

[07:16:04]

HalonChilled:

ok ill do it tommorow its to late to start again

[07:16:14]

directhex:

Dagmar, he's saving himself from himself if he runs (e.g.) 64-bit $DEBIAN

[07:16:17]

directhex:

or even 32-bit

[07:16:25]

Dagmar:

He's running Slackware

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juski:

and he doesn't trust a sh script? oh man

[07:16:47]

directhex:

real people still run slackware?

[07:17:05]

juski:

the thing about scripts is that you can open them & read to see if they're gonna fdisk your HDD :D

[07:17:22]

juski:

directhex: slack is nice

[07:17:31]

directhex:

it's never agreed with me

[07:17:45]

directhex:

and it's officially weird. network config in /etc/init.d ?

[07:17:50]

Dagmar:

I've been running Slackware for about a decade or so

[07:17:52]

gardengnome:

juski: it's a compressed, self-extracting script ;)

[07:17:54]

juski:

I never quite managed to make it a mythical minimal install but hey diskspace is cheap

[07:18:04]

Dagmar:

directhex: I think you're getting Slackware and Debian mixed up

[07:18:12]

juski:

gardengnome: so unfuddle it. I managed it once :)

[07:19:01]

gardengnome:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LaraCroftT . . . voWAnniv.jpg – evolution of lara croft.

[07:19:09]

** juski remembers he's going to Microdirect later today :D **

[07:19:12]

gardengnome:

juski: yup. it's possible

[07:19:45]

juski:

gardengnome: I did with those awful zenslack 'packages'

[07:19:56]

directhex:

her top seems to get continually more low-cut

[07:20:13]

juski:

resistance is..

[07:20:22]

juski:

voltage divided by current

[07:20:22]

directhex:

a crappy ps3 game

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** juski can't believe his ears. a design engineer has just asked.. "if I buy this 12 watt PSU and it gives out 12 volts, what current will it deliver?" **

[07:22:04]

Kevorkian:

1 amp ?

[07:22:07]

juski:

this bloke designs complex circuits.. how the effinelle..?!

[07:22:16]

Dagmar:

Hole shit

[07:22:33]

Dagmar:

Where did you guys find that chap? Rummaging the dumpster for his lunch?

[07:22:41]

Kevorkian:

e = i*r

[07:22:45]

Kevorkian:

or something like that

[07:22:46]

juski:

Dagmar: looking at him, yeah

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** xris wonders why mythdvd encoded 3 copies of every track he wanted to rip **

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Dagmar:

One for you, one for the RIAA, and one for the police.

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xris:

Dagmar: apparently

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juski:

blimey. £6 for a usb bluetooth dongley

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Dagmar:

yep. They're cheap

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Dagmar:

I'm kinda considering getting one for hd-audio for the myth box

[07:30:29]

Dagmar:

The only problem is that the bloody things can't exactly "broadcast" to more than one device at a time

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juski:

just need to see if this one will work in bunty

[07:31:14]

juski:

rofl @ that username.. "fannymites"

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juski:

I'm now starting to see the problem with ubuntu. including that in any search term is bringing up emo chaff

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HalonChilled:

night guys and gals thanks for the help, unfortunatlly i know ill be back again probably soon

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directhex:

juski, bluetooth's like usb, in terms of driver support

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gbee:

directhex: works out of the box then?

[07:45:17]

directhex:

yeah, pretty much

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gbee:

cool

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Kevorkian:

bluetooth .. OH MAN .. I wish phone manufatures would be real when they say "blue tooth" support ..

[07:45:55]

juski:

ah so "fannymites" was just being an emo then. phew

[07:46:16]

Kevorkian:

if it even only supprts a headset .. then they say its got bluetooth.

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Kevorkian:

while true .. very missleading

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juski:

Kevorkian: like anything else involving a 'standard' these days then

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Dagmar:

What did you expect it to do ?

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gbee:

think I might get one then – don't really have a need for it atm but may prove handy in the future

[07:46:38]

directhex:

well, this is where things get complex

[07:46:39]

juski:

like SATA

[07:46:50]

juski:

like ATAPI

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Dagmar:

HEadsets and punting contacts is about all bluetooth is good for

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directhex:

bluetooth is easy. the problem is that bluetooth capabilities are defined, per-device, as a set of "profiles"

[07:47:19]

directhex:

and matching up profiles can sometimes be less than wonderful

[07:47:26]

Kevorkian:

yea .. well samsung figures that the contacts thing they shoudl do with there own protocol..

[07:47:30]

directhex:

e.g. early nokia bluetooth phones only supported nokia-specific profiles

[07:47:56]

Dagmar:

Kevorkian: They're probably not using a standard format for hte contact information, so that's probably all for the better

[07:48:23]

juski:

HDD manufacturers are like that too – they can (and do) do whatever they want with the way they interpret the 'standard'

[07:48:39]

Kevorkian:

even will let me send sms via it ..

[07:48:45]

Kevorkian:

teh samsung .. squat

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directhex:

motorola's bluetooth implementation is quite poor

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Kevorkian:

and the sam is newer,..

[07:49:16]

Kevorkian:

it may be poor .. but I can _use_ it.

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juski:

arghh there are uggs the comms room messing with my video patchbay

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directhex:

from good to bad, it tends to go sony -> samsung -> moto -> nokia

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directhex:

don't even bother with brands like nec

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juski:

directhex: I fought nokia was good

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directhex:

juski, for bluetooth they're dreadful

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juski:

ah

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juski:

for UIs they're king though :)

[07:50:07]

directhex:

juski, i stopped buying nokia ages ago due to horrible customer service

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Kevorkian:

with my mot .. when it rings .. I can have a pop up open wiuth the cller id info ..

[07:50:26]

gardengnome:

razr are overrated

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juski:

way I look at it is.. spend only as much on a phone as you can afford to lose

[07:50:37]

Dagmar:

Mine works fine tho

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gardengnome:

razr reminds me of emo wrists

[07:50:46]

Dagmar:

...which is more than I can say for my last Nokia phone

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juski:

all phones are disposable

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directhex:

i love my samsung

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directhex:

kickass £100 phone

[07:51:13]

juski:

£100 for a phone? ouchy!

[07:51:18]

Dagmar:

Bluetooth from the Razr v3m I have works with my little headset, and my PDA

[07:51:26]

directhex:

juski, that's cheap on the grand scale of phones :/

[07:51:31]

Dagmar:

I can make the phone dial, coy contacts back and forth, etc

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Dagmar:

s/coy/copy/l

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juski:

directhex: £10 is cheap on the grand scale of phones, without contract

[07:52:01]

juski:

anything over £50 is lunacy IMHO

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juski:

oh I forgot. I'm a luddite aren't I? your Dad prolly has a better phone than me!

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juski:

;)

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Dagmar:

You have a bag phone??

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directhex:

juski, i needed something with a functional bluetooth stack for my needs (i.e. gprs modem over bluetooth)

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juski:

3210.. it's not too bad

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directhex:

juski, anyway, >£300 is common for people with too much money

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juski:

jesus. how the other half phone eh

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juski:

either too muhc money or up to their frickin necks in it

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directhex:

nokia sell a £794.95 phone

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juski:

the latter is more likely, I suspect

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Kevorkian:

794 ?? $$$ ?? or pounds ?

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juski:

does it do the dishes?

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directhex:

http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=146793 – solid gold version. in regular black, it's £679.95

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directhex:

anyway, off to work!

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juski:

effing hell

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juski:

I can see why people want to be able to use the likes of mythtv with a £££££ phone now. so they get some fscking _utility_ out of it

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Dagmar:

heheh

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[07:57:32]

Dagmar:

What I think we need is a reduced-size IR remote you can just wear on a wrist strap

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Dagmar:

Something about hte size of that six-button X10 remote

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juski:

ugh. I have to do an audit of our test gear

[08:02:45]

Dagmar:

Something very thin, but about as long as three fingers side-by-side perpendicular to the wrist

[08:02:51]

juski:

time for an amnesty

[08:04:31]

juski:

we should get an inductive proximity asset tag system to stop all the Fluke meters ending up in folks toolboxes at home

[08:04:57]

gardengnome:

how many have you got at home?

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juski:

even tried buying meters so shite nobody'd ever want – they still go missing

[08:05:13]

juski:

gardengnome: none

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Dagmar:

Plant time-controlled explosives in them that go off with a few hundred pounts of explosive force if they're not reset over RF by leaving them in the shop each night

[08:05:23]

juski:

I draw the line at £200 DVMs

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juski:

Dagmar: plan!

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** Dagmar hides his shite mm **

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Dagmar:

I only paid $40 for mine on sale, and I feel happy it tests transisitors

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gardengnome:

i paid 5€ for mine i think..

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juski:

like posidriv screwdrivers.. we buy about a hundred a year.. they all vanish somehow. you'd think that at some point, folks homes reach a saturation point where they have 'enough' screwdrivers

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juski:

starting to suspect somebody has a shop selling tools nicked from work

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Dagmar:

eBay

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Dagmar:

what the memory hz?

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juski:

Dagmar: would it even be worth the time listing em? anyway

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Dagmar:

juski: Any money gained over *free* is a net gain

[08:10:33]

juski:

cpu usage was less than 50%.. go figure that one out

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juski:

I think my epia is gonna go away soon. ducking sick of its shittyness

[08:11:58]

juski:

bring on the s100 :)

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juski:

get a _real_ CPU on the job

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nuonguy:

my problems were supposed to be over

[08:17:34]

nuonguy:

I bought this motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.a . . . E16813136016

[08:18:05]

nuonguy:

and this processor: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819103778

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Dagmar:

LOL DFI

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nuonguy:

the machine POSTs with a cheap semprom processor but not with the brisbane

[08:18:43]

nuonguy:

one reviewer said his worked with a BIOS update

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nuonguy:

mine didn't

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nuonguy:

you don't like DFI, Dagmar?

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Dagmar:

NOpe

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nuonguy:

why not?

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Dagmar:

Too many times they have gotten cheap-ass chinese capacitors

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nuonguy:

what do you use?

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Dagmar:

Whatever doesn't piss me off when I see it mainly, but lately ASrock has had a few models

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nuonguy:

never tried that one

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Dagmar:

I had one DFI board that actually whistled and clicked when you gave it power

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Tanthrix:

Myth installs to /usr/local/bin/, but apparently Arch Linux doesn't use that, so unless the binaries are symlinked to /usr/bin/ I can't just type "mythfrontend' in a terminal and have it work – where can I set that local/bin to be included?

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nuonguy:

but it seems all the consumer motherboards use pretty much the same grade of parts

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Dagmar:

The caps on it were *that* leaky

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Dagmar:

Oh hell no

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Dagmar:

Buy a PCChips board if you think they all use the same quality components

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nuonguy:

oh hell yes

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nuonguy:

if you want to start bagging on cheap boards, take your frustrations out on ECS

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nuonguy:

those guys are the worst

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Dagmar:

PCChips is worse than ECS

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nuonguy:

I didn't think that was possible

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Dagmar:

ECS might use cheap-ass parts, but their designs are usually semi-solid.

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Dagmar:

PCChips doesn't even have that going for them.

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nuonguy:

you're the first person ever to complain about DFI's workmanship, or anything for that matter

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Dagmar:

Most of the PCChips boards I've seen didn't last two years

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gardengnome:

Tanthrix: update your $PATH

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Tanthrix:

export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/bin/

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nuonguy:

that's what happened to my gigabyte motherboard, laster just over a year

[08:22:18]

Tanthrix:

That worked, but is there a way to make it permanent for all users?

[08:22:25]

Tanthrix:

(As opposed to adding that to the bashrc)

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Not as such, but for the moment you can stick it in /etc/profile

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Tanthrix:

Interesting, thanks

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Tanthrix:

I never had this problem on Mandrake though, so that means they're doing something to include it (I think anyway)

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Kevorkian:

on a default knoppmyth install .. what needs to be done to let other front ends connect to the backend ? is there a FW running as the default ?

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juski:

Kevorkian: try #knoppmyth or the knoppmyth forums

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juski:

there's prolly a dead simple thing you can do to kick something over into 'allow remote connections' mode :)

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Kevorkian:

yea .. I figure as much .. knoppmyth is dead atm

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juski:

ctrl-shift-f2 or some fancy keypress. I've seen another mythtv distro which was that easy

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Kevorkian:

isnt that vttys ?

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juski:

you get the jist

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juski:

'some fancy keypress'

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** Kevorkian farts **

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hads:

Tanthrix: Typically /usr/local is before /usr in your PATH

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Tanthrix:

hads: What do you mean exactly?

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juski:

I should prolly give minimyth 0.20–25 a go tonight

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juski:

woo blootubelite-wide & blootube-osd are in minimyth now :D

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hads:

Tanthrix: `export PATH=/usr/local/bin/:$PATH`

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juski:

they're everywhere :)

[08:31:35]

Tanthrix:

Oh – what's the difference?

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hads:

It effects the order in which directories are searched when you type a command.

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hads:

Which means that if you install stuff in /usr/local then it will override things of the same name installed in /usr

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Tanthrix:

I see

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Tanthrix:

So why I am I having a problem with this in the first place? Shouldn't this be standardized?

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Tanthrix:

(Or is there something I need to change for programs to automatically install into /usr/bin instead of /usr/local/bin)

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juski:

I thought it depends on the packagers and / or distro convention

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Tanthrix:

Of course it does...;)

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juski:

the only way then is to make everything yourself :)

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Tanthrix:

Awesome, I'm getting an unsolved error

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Tanthrix:

"Waited too long for video out to pause"

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Tanthrix:

Hit play, see the first frame, then it gets stuck

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Tanthrix:

FE/BE, and other FE work fine, so it's definately something with this

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Tanthrix:

Preview places nice! heh

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Tanthrix:

And holy moses is the UI fast on this new machine

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juski:

er.. that's normally an Xv problem – or lack thereof (of Xv)

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Tanthrix:

Preview plays fine though

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Tanthrix:

And mplayer etc.. work

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Tanthrix:

Apparently I didn't have it though...

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Tanthrix:

Just did a pacman and it installed xv-3.10a-7

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Tanthrix:

Still not working though – would I have to recompile?

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Dagmar:

s lol

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Dagmar:

Dude, that xv has nothing to do with xvideo

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Hugolp:

Hi

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Dagmar:

That's an image viewer like gthumb or eog

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: I'd run the frotend with -v playback

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Hugolp:

I have a second sata 7200rpm hd in the back-end that I only use for recordings. What is the best way to get maximum performance? right now its formated with ext3.

[08:51:35]

Merlin83b2:

Hugolp: Are you seeing problems where it's not giving up enough data or anything?

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hads:

Tanthrix: Arch uses /opt rather than /usr/local – one thing I didn't like that much.

[08:51:53]

Dagmar:

The arch guys could use a little slapping around

[08:52:30]

Tanthrix:

Seems like it.

[08:52:51]

Hugolp:

Merlin83b2: sometimes when the back end its been on for 1 or two dais it gives some performance problems

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hads:

It's a nice distro, just some funny ideas.

[08:53:22]

Merlin83b2:

Hugolp: And what makes you think this is related to the speed you're pulling data off your hard disk?

[08:53:39]

Hugolp:

like taking very long to start a recording or jumping images when while being in the chanel but the program changes

[08:53:39]

Merlin83b2:

(In case you hadn't worked it out, I'm asking if it ain't broke, why fix it?)

[08:53:59]

Merlin83b2:

Anything in error logs? For instance warnings about DMA in /var/log/messages?

[08:54:08]

Hugolp:

by taking very long I mean like 10 seconds

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Hugolp:

Merlin83b2: I get sometimes like memory problems about corrupt mpeg

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Hugolp:

and that makes the back-end to quit

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juski:

if the video preview _plays_ fine but it's in the wrong place, it's usually a video driver issue IMHO

[08:54:47]

Hugolp:

it happens maybe once a week

[08:55:44]

Hugolp:

for all that, I am guessing is a hd problem, I might be wrong

[08:56:22]

Hugolp:

juski: what do you mean about the video preview playing fine but being in the wrong place?

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: that is just it looking for sync mechanisms (not a problem)

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Tanthrix:

Looks like I killed it too soon, now seeing "NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers"

[08:57:22]

Tanthrix:

That sounds damned familiar to me

[08:59:26]

Tanthrix:

Well, disabling GLX as per the wiki's advice didn't fix it

[09:05:18]

Tanthrix:

Anduin: Any directions you think I should pursue? Not seeing much on the mailinglist

[09:06:07]

Anduin:

Tanthrix: the only thing after what you pasted are the NVP timed out messages?

[09:06:56]

Tanthrix:

Aye

[09:07:06]

Tanthrix:

http://novae-res.org/mythlog.txt updated

[09:07:25]

Tanthrix:

(With verbose all this time)

[09:08:00]

Tanthrix:

Basically the preview looks beautifully smooth for both SD and HD stuff, but when I press play I just see one frame of the video and it locks up

[09:08:32]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Anduin mentioned that wasn't an issue

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Dagmar:

Okay, I'd take his word for it then

[09:09:50]

Tanthrix:

(And this is just a FE box by the way at the moment – I'm simply viewing prerecorded shows, so I'm nearly certain it's not a backend issue)

[09:09:56]

Anduin:

Yeah, it is just a timing mechanism

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gbee:

we just don't buffer enough in some cases – which is the reason why we sometimes end up in prebuffering pause cycles

[09:12:00]

Tanthrix:

Looked worring to me as well, but I think I've seen that on a lot of stuff

[09:14:50]

Anduin:

Tanthrix: do you get any sound before that frame?

[09:15:10]

Tanthrix:

Let me plug my headphones in and check, one sec

[09:15:50]

Tanthrix:

Yes, a split second then it loops

[09:16:00]

Tanthrix:

Like when windows hard crashes while you're listening to something

[09:16:36]

Tanthrix:

(II) LoadModule: "dri" <--- I see that in my xorg log, but I don't have dri set to load in my xorg, and I know that the nvidia driver says not to load it

[09:16:39]

hads:

heh

[09:17:12]

frink_:

hullllo

[09:17:59]

Tanthrix:

Er, woops. Was looking at the wrong log, that is no longer there

[09:18:08]

gbee:

ugh, kdevelop is broken in contrib

[09:18:40]

Dibblah:

Bah. I feel so dumb for submitting that patch.

[09:18:42]

gbee:

er, cooker even

[09:19:01]

Dibblah:

But... Why pull random patches into even a CVS pull version?

[09:19:06]

gbee:

Dibblah: don't

[09:19:25]

gbee:

that's just bad packaging

[09:19:46]

Dibblah:

The original code admittedly is broken.

[09:20:07]

Dibblah:

But it's broken for the minority, whereas mine was broken for pretty much everyone ;)

[09:20:20]

hads:

Dibblah: I only know what I saw on the mailing list in the last day or so but it doesn't seem like you need to feel dumb.

[09:20:25]

gbee:

it's never a good idea to assume that unapplied patches are safe

[09:20:49]

Dibblah:

No – I should have checked what the pointers I was meant to be passing in were used for.

[09:21:27]

gbee:

Dibblah: easy to fix at least?

[09:21:34]

hads:

Yeah but stuff happens when things are being developed. If they wanted to include random patches in the packages they should have tested them better.

[09:21:37]

Dibblah:

Still need to sharpen up my skills. And get this bloody touchscreen doing something apart from looking pretty :(

[09:21:49]

Dibblah:

gbee: Trivial.

[09:22:47]

gbee:

btw anyone else testing the patch in #3189?

[09:22:52]

Dibblah:

I keep thinking that a test harness would be good for regression testing. :(

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gbee:

Dibblah: would be nice

[09:25:29]

Dibblah:

Give me a few secs, that should be trivial to apply, and I'm using blootube-wide, so this bug hits me pretty hard, I think :)

[09:27:45]

gbee:

Dibblah: although it making the scaling part faster, on my laptop at least the loading of the button images still takes an age so after the dialogs disappear there is a lengthy pause :)

[09:28:13]

Dibblah:

Yeah. That'll be it loading both the qimage and the qbitmap (?).

[09:28:14]

gbee:

the bit I'm working on atm should eliminate that issue

[09:28:51]

Dibblah:

As far as I understand, each image is stored twice, always :(

[09:29:00]

Dibblah:

In case the painter is switched.

[09:29:25]

directhex|work:

kill qbitmap!

[09:30:11]

gbee:

Dibblah: that's probably true, I haven't actually where that is happening though

[09:31:11]

Tanthrix:

Anduin: It's definately not a streaming problem – just tryed to play an mpeg2 recording via mythvideo with the internal player, and it did the exact same thing.

[09:31:21]

gbee:

although if the only reason for storing it twice is switching between painters, it makes far more sense just to reload the images when the painter is changed

[09:31:57]

Dibblah:

1484, mythcontext.cpp

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directhex|work:

kill qbitmap!

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Dibblah:

ISTR.

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: I'd try giving an invalid audio output device, then tell the player to try anyway (when it prompts about it)

[09:33:50]

Dibblah:

Damn. I traced this through a while back. Can't find the other bit.

[09:34:03]

Tanthrix:

Anduin: Righto, one sec

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Dibblah:

qpixmap, not qimage.

[09:36:25]

Tanthrix:

Now I'm getting "Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION" and I'm not seeing recordings anymore

[09:36:32]

Tanthrix:

All I've changed was installing mythvideo

[09:36:38]

Tanthrix:

Did a make uninstall, and still getting it

[09:37:02]

gbee:

qpixmap, not qbitmap? or are we talking about different theme images? atm I'm looking at the watermarks etc – we might be doing something different with the other images

[09:37:09]

Tanthrix:

(And I'm positive there isn't a version problem – using the same tar.gz that I used to install both my FE/BE machine and my other FE

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Tanthrix:

Restarting the backend fixed that, weird

[09:42:30]

Tanthrix:

Anduin: No sound, and no prompt about an inaccessible device either

[09:42:36]

Anduin:

Unexpected has a largish meaning.

[09:42:48]

Anduin:

Tanthrix: and no video I assume?

[09:43:01]

Tanthrix:

Same frozen first frame

[09:44:28]

Dibblah:

This is all the images, ISTR.

[09:44:41]

Dibblah:

gbee: Much, much better with the theme scaling.

[09:44:56]

Dibblah:

First run still takes the same length of time as previously.

[09:45:09]

Dibblah:

But after that, it's just the delay you noted.

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gbee:

Dibblah: I'll take another look when I've managed to downgrade kdevelop

[09:46:14]

gbee:

just tried smart again and it much, much better than it used to be – love the fact that it can downgrade packages which urpmi has never done easily :)

[09:46:42]

Tanthrix:

Looks like my recording drive is having some issues, some journal errors and such

[09:47:18]

Tanthrix:

Not related to this problem, but it was causing the issue with the backend being funky until rebooted

[09:51:08]

Dibblah:

gbee: Right. loadscalepixmap creates and returns the qpixmap, which is not freed. The line I pointed you to before creates the qimage.

[09:53:35]

Tanthrix:

Fsck just did a real number on that drive

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** Tanthrix continues booting frightfully **

[09:54:19]

gbee:

LoadScalePixmap isn't used in the particular code path I was looking at, where we parse the buttons and load the associated images (loadscaleimage) and then assign them to a MythImage object

[09:54:36]

gbee:

however grepping for loadscalepixmap I start to see the problem!

[09:54:47]

Kevorkian:

hmmm .. anyone understand how captions work ?? they work on the front end I have running on the backend .. but when I try to enable then on a remote front end .. I get "not captions"

[09:55:26]

gbee:

ffs, that's just _broken_

[09:55:34]

Dibblah:

Yeah, it's nasty. If you're using the QT painter...

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directhex|work:

pfft, as if real people use Qt

[09:55:52]

Dibblah:

You're wasting 3x the RAM, if I understand right.

[09:55:57]

Tanthrix:

Looks like it was just one file that had issues, phew

[09:56:33]

Tanthrix:

Anduin: Thanks for all the help, much appreciated. I'm tired and depressed about this (starting to fear there is something unfixable about my nice new system) so I'll tackle it again tomorrow

[09:57:08]

hads:

Everything is fixable. If you have the time and patience :)

[09:57:16]

Tanthrix:

hehe, I hope so

[09:57:24]

Kevorkian:

or money :- D

[09:57:35]

Ruleke:

what about death :P

[09:57:37]

Tanthrix:

I just fear that something really mysterious is going on, like weird ACPI issues or kernel timing problems or other mysterious black magic stuff

[09:57:42]

Anduin:

Tanthrix: ok, it is way past my bedtime anyway, I just gave up on looking for something to enable to log in the actual video loop

[09:58:13]

gbee:

Dibblah: when I started on this I intended on just fixing the plugin menu load times – but the more I look at this, the more work I see that needs to be done (not that I really want to do it all myself if possible)

[09:58:20]

Tanthrix:

Anduin: Oh, if you were still looking for something I can wait. (Nothing I hate more than a person I'm helping running off ;)

[09:58:51]

Dibblah:

gbee: Yeah. I know. Juski will be eternally grateful, though, I'm sure :)

[09:58:55]

Anduin:

Tanthrix: No, I was about to say I was giving up and wished you luck :)

[09:59:02]

Tanthrix:

hehe, ok

[09:59:23]

Tanthrix:

Well, thanks very much for lending a hand. Hopefully I'll figure it out, and I'll let you know if I do

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frink_:

Whats up Tanthrix ?

[09:59:45]

frink_:

I had ACPI problems ona box that kept slowing the CPU down

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Tanthrix:

Getting "NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers" on my new Core 2 Duo system I just built

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frink_:

very odd

[09:59:56]

frink_:

sleep 1 9which should sleep for 1 second)

[10:00:12]

frink_:

slowly took longer and longer till eventually after about 48 hours it took 4 minutes to execute !

[10:00:25]

Tanthrix:

Previews run fine, mplayer works, glxgears works, etc... except when I play a recording in myth it locks up on the first frame

[10:00:39]

frink_:

hmm

[10:00:41]

frink_:

that sucks..

[10:00:47]

frink_:

What distro u using?

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Tanthrix:

Arch Linux

[10:01:14]

Tanthrix:

I might pop in Ubuntu tomorrow and see if I can get it up and running there

[10:01:20]

frink_:

never heard of it, sorry :) But I would try another distro on a spare drive perhaps, just to see if a complete change does anything (rules out hardware)

[10:01:27]

frink_:

ubuntu or mythtv

[10:01:30]

frink_:

i mean

[10:01:31]

frink_:

mythdora

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frink_:

just cuz mythdora is dead simple ;-)

[10:01:54]

Tanthrix:

I'm using SVN, so I have to compile anyway

[10:02:01]

frink_:

k

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deebus:

something has gone horribly wrong with mythtv

[10:02:12]

frink_:

what in general?

[10:02:16]

deebus:

running mythfrontend gives me this: http://pastebin.ca/509163

[10:02:19]

frink_:

Actually I should check svn for fixes too..

[10:02:33]

Kevorkian:

it worked before you broke it. :-D

[10:02:35]

deebus:

mythbackend errors our with the same message, only it shows just once

[10:02:38]

deebus:

heh

[10:02:44]

deebus:

yeah, it was working fine last night

[10:02:48]

deebus:

just borked this morning

[10:02:49]

Tanthrix:

deebus: ps aux | grep mysqld

[10:02:53]

frink_:

your database id dead

[10:02:58]

frink_:

do you have a remote frontend?

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directhex|work:

deebus, common error on $DEBIAN where the mythconverg databse is missing or inaccessible

[10:03:17]

deebus:

no remote frontend

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** gbee sobs as the downgraded kdevelop is as broken as the new one **

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deebus:

Tanthrix: ps says mysqld is running

[10:03:54]

Tanthrix:

Well, restart it anyway

[10:04:20]

Tanthrix:

I'm drained, so I'm off

[10:04:29]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Thanks for your help earliar

[10:04:29]

deebus:

restart didn't help

[10:04:34]

Tanthrix:

And anyone else I forget

[10:04:57]

hads:

directhex|work: Why $DEBIAN?

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Ruleke:

deebus: make sure it listens on the correct address... what's it set to in the backend ?

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deebus:

127.0.0.1

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Kevorkian:

that would limit it to a local front end .. wouldnt it ?

[10:05:53]

Ruleke:

deebus: and in my.conf ?

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directhex|work:

hads, typically, it's caused by people not installing the mythtv-database package on anything debianesque

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deebus:

the same

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Ruleke:

so mysql.txt is ok ?

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deebus:

yes, mysql.txt is ok

[10:07:19]

Ruleke:

ah well

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deebus:

any ideas?

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Ruleke:

no

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Ruleke:

restart the backend ;)

[10:09:59]

deebus:

tried it

[10:10:55]

deebus:

F*CK

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Ruleke:

what changed ?

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deebus:

I installed apache, but I've just uninstalled that

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juski:

Hugolp: re your question about my statement regarding vid preview being in the wrong place – happens when you open a livetv programme guide & there's no xv available on the current display :)

[10:12:06]

Ruleke:

can you still connect to the db using mysql directly ?

[10:12:09]

Ruleke:

with that user

[10:12:50]

Ruleke:

is it possible that this installation upgraded other packages too ?

[10:13:06]

deebus:

yes, I can still connect to mysql

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Ruleke:

to the correct database ?

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Ruleke:

with the correct user ?

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deebus:

yes

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Dagmar:

okay, I feel stupid

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Dagmar:

I did a script to do text samples at various point sizes for 100dpi to be sure how high each point size would be.

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Hugolp:

juski: thanks'?? I am guessing it doesnt have to do with my question

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Dagmar:

So... an hour of anal-retentiveness gone completely to waste

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deebus:

mysqld is listening on the correct port

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deebus:

ok, this is weird

[10:30:27]

deebus:

a reboot later, and my mythbackend can connect to the database, but not the frontend

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Ruleke:

frontend on same machine ?

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Kevorkian:

front is on a dif box ?

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deebus:

mythtv-setup has the ip address, username, and password correct (as they appear in .mythtv/mysql.txt and my.cnf)

[10:31:00]

deebus:

same machine

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deebus:

all local

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Dagmar:

I'm about to drop some seriously trivial bug reports onto mythmusic. :/

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Kevorkian:

whats the error ?

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Kevorkian:

im betting some almost trivial typo in the config.

[10:31:46]

hads:

I hope those bugs aren't too heavy.

[10:32:02]

deebus:

kevorkian: a whole crapload of these: http://pastebin.ca/509198

[10:32:13]

Dagmar:

No, more like "No way to disable non-i18n'd text labels from buttons

[10:32:29]

Dagmar:

It's bugging the hell out of me

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Kevorkian:

anything before that ?? liek a failed open for teh db ?

[10:33:01]

Kevorkian:

thats just a "ITS BROKEN"

[10:33:17]

Kevorkian:

something before that as to why the db isnt open

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deebus:

whoops, sorry

[10:33:20]

deebus:

http://pastebin.ca/509199

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Kevorkian:

unable to connect .. nice informative error

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Aquahallic:

Mornin' folks

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** Kevorkian sighs **

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Kevorkian:

you using 127 or localhost as the addie everyplace ?

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deebus:

127

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Kevorkian:

127.0.0.1

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Kevorkian:

but your using it everyplace it needs it .. right ..

[10:35:08]

Kevorkian:

not the real address.

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deebus:

yes, I am

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deebus:

that's correct

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deebus:

mysql.txt and my.cnf both have 127.0.0.1 as the address

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Kevorkian:

can you make it connect viacommand line mysq client ?

[10:36:08]

Kevorkian:

mysql -u mythhatever -h 127.0.0.1

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deebus:

yes, I can

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Ruleke:

:)

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Dagmar:

Are you doing this over a network?

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Kevorkian:

ok .. so the db can be connected to by two diffrent things .. but not your frontend ..

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deebus:

wait, no I can

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Kevorkian:

im saying .. typo in the front end config ..

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Dagmar:

As in, is there a second machine involved just running the backend or frontend or is this all on one box?

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deebus:

*can't

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Kevorkian:

ok .. cant .. ..

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deebus:

-h 127.0.0.1 doesn't work

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hads:

Surely you'd want the actual 'addie' rather than 127.0.0.1

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deebus:

no, this is not over the network

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deebus:

this is all on the same box

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Kevorkian:

not if its only local

[10:37:35]

Kevorkian:

and his my.cf is bound to 127

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Dagmar:

debus: Then why are you telling it an IP address?

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deebus:

Dagmar: I'm giving it the loopback address

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Dagmar:

Just lob "skip-networking" into /etc/my.cnf and delete all thet address binding crap

[10:38:09]

Dagmar:

It does NOT use the network in this case.

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Kevorkian:

skip-networking isnt the way its done anymore

[10:38:21]

Dagmar:

Since when

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deebus:

should I just comment out the bind-address part of my.cnf?

[10:38:32]

Dagmar:

Local connections don't need a TCP socket, so they do not use them

[10:38:41]

Aquahallic:

Mornin' folks... can someone tell me the resolution that mythfronend is defaulted at?

[10:38:47]

Dagmar:

deebus: Which version of MySQL, just for reference?

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Aquahallic:

640x480??

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Dagmar:

Aquahallic: Whatever you set up X to run as

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deebus:

Dagmar: how can I tell that?

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Dagmar:

deebus: Look at your system's package inventory?

[10:39:26]

Kevorkian:

mysqld -v or sumthing

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Aquahallic:

yeah I have X set to run 1024 x 768 but when mythfrontend fires up... it does some "converting" or something

[10:39:50]

hads:

Yes

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Dagmar:

Aquahallic: That's normal

[10:40:00]

Dagmar:

mysql --version, actually

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Aquahallic:

and my frontend is hanging up on me...

[10:40:19]

Kevorkian:

woudlnt that just show the client version ?

[10:40:19]

Aquahallic:

backend still runs fine and keeps recording

[10:40:19]

Dagmar:

If it's MySQL 4.x then "skip-networking" is most definitely how this is done because it's the _right_ thing to do

[10:40:38]

deebus:

my.cnf mentions that skip-networking is not how it's done anymore

[10:40:45]

Kevorkian:

then its a 5

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hads:

I'm pretty sure that'll still work in 5.x

[10:40:52]

Dagmar:

Kevorkian: Unless someone's gone out of their way to bugger it up, it'll be the same

[10:41:19]

deebus:

I commented out the "bind-address =127.0.0.1" part of my.cnf

[10:41:21]

deebus:

no luck still

[10:41:23]

gbee:

Aquahallic: mythfrontend 'scales' the theme images to whatever resolution you are running at

[10:41:29]

Dagmar:

This is not all you have to do is why

[10:41:38]

Dagmar:

You definitely do *not* want to bind to a TCP socket unless you need to

[10:41:53]

hads:

The Debian my.cnf has comments that they listen on 127.0.0.1 instead of using skip-networking, that may be what you are thinking of.

[10:42:05]

Aquahallic:

I guess what I'm trying to do here is run down why the playback freezes after a little while

[10:42:06]

Dagmar:

Probably so

[10:42:25]

gbee:

Aquahallic: that's normal and unrelated to your problems – the frontend log would probably help

[10:42:38]

deebus:

so now what? I'm out of ideas. the backend connects just fine, but the frontend craps out on me

[10:42:38]

Aquahallic:

where can I find the frontend log?

[10:42:40]

Dagmar:

ANYWAY... once you have the thing NOT binding to a TCP socket, you use the phrase 'localhost' when you're configuring things through mythtv-setup and all mysql client programs will know to use a _local socket_ to connect

[10:42:47]

Aquahallic:

in var/log I only see the backend log

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deebus:

ah, I see

[10:43:04]

Dagmar:

deebus: You have a second mysql.txt in there screwing up your frontend then

[10:43:14]

Dagmar:

You're running the frontend as a normal user, aren't you

[10:43:25]

Aquahallic:

actually I was logged in a root

[10:43:32]

Dagmar:

Not you, Aqua

[10:43:49]

Dagmar:

Aquahallic: How did you start the frontend

[10:43:58]

Dagmar:

deebus: You're running hte frontend as a normal user, aren't you

[10:44:03]

deebus:

omgosh...

[10:44:06]

deebus:

I am an retarded

[10:44:10]

Dagmar:

heh

[10:44:21]

Aquahallic:

just did startx then mythfrontend

[10:44:26]

Aquahallic:

logged in as root

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deebus:

well, I commented out the bind-address part, but I didn't change the "127.0.0.1" to "localhost" in myth-setup

[10:44:37]

Dagmar:

Aquahallic: then your "log", such that it is, went basically nowhere

[10:44:38]

deebus:

well, it works now

[10:44:51]

gbee:

hmm, does svn provide some option to exclude a file/dir from a particular command e.g. if I wanted to revert an entire directory _except_ one file?

[10:44:52]

deebus:

thanks guys, you rocked this problem!

[10:45:02]

Aquahallic:

how I need to start it then so I get a log?

[10:45:10]

deebus:

<--- should be wearing a helmet when he's on the computer today...

[10:45:15]

Dibblah:

gbee: Not AFAIK. Just move it out of the way :)

[10:45:16]

Dagmar:

Try something like `mythfrontend | tee mythfrontend.log`

[10:45:38]

Aquahallic:

and will that drop it into /var/logs

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gbee:

Aquahallic: -l log OR > log

[10:45:50]

Dagmar:

-l log is probably the best way to go about it

[10:46:00]

Dagmar:

I just prefer using tee becuase I tend to start the thing under screen

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gbee:

Dibblah: darn ;)

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Aquahallic:

gbee where's that going to drop the log?

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gbee:

in the current working directory, unless you specify a full path

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Aquahallic:

kewl.. ty

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gbee:

ETOOMANYPATCHESINTREE

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hads:

heh

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Dibblah:

Ick. lipo remove weight doesn't exactly work as a search term in google.

[10:49:35]

Dibblah:

Ah. Balls. Wrong channel ... Again.

[10:49:50]

Dagmar:

Could be worse

[10:49:56]

juski:

my place, 4pm, wear the costume

[10:49:59]

Dibblah:

lipo as in lithium polymer, not anything else.

[10:50:03]

Dagmar:

A friend of mine works at the public library. She has some severely naive co-workers.

[10:50:05]

gbee:

juski: cool :)

[10:50:07]

juski:

oh sod! wrong window!

[10:50:37]

Dagmar:

Last February, one of them was looking for graphics to use to dress up the library for a Valentine's Day thing

[10:50:48]

Dagmar:

So she went to images.google.com, and typed in "teen love"

[10:50:57]

Dagmar:

I kid you not.

[10:51:06]

Dagmar:

N-a-i-e-v-e.

[10:52:10]

SiD3WiNDR:

if you're gonna spell it at least do it right :>

[10:52:23]

gbee:

sure that wasn't just her excuse when she was caught out?

[10:52:37]

Dagmar:

I blame the british for sticking extra vowels in there (regardless of the fact that it's a french word)

[10:52:46]

Dagmar:

gbee: I've met the woman.

[10:53:03]

Dagmar:

She's one of those types that you worry might be upset if she found out the stork doesn't exist

[10:53:14]

gbee:

heh

[10:53:24]

Dagmar:

I don't know if she was raised in a nunnery or what

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hads:

heh, you couldn't really pick something worse to search onm.

[10:54:23]

Dagmar:

damnit there are four modes the shuffle function can be in... why can't we supply it with four images.

[10:54:35]

Dagmar:

grrr... *hacks at the source*

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directhex|work:

hads, ways of bonding latex-based paint to stucco, by searching "latex bondage"?

[11:01:33]

** hads flicks on a 1.5 star movie **

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Aquahallic:

:O that should come up with some "interesting" results to say the least....LOL

[11:03:49]

hads:

oO flying oversize bowling balls

[11:06:27]

pigeon:

is there a way to make the mythfrontend window resizable?

[11:07:05]

hads:

It doesn't support resizing on the fly.

[11:07:29]

hads:

It can be done as a setting or a command line option.

[11:07:49]

pigeon:

ok, thanks

[11:08:24]

Aquahallic:

does this log look normal from frontend?... http://www.pastebin.ca/509233

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directhex|work:

hads, due to the preloading of all image assets to specified sizes?

[11:09:21]

hads:

I believe, I don't really know though.

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Aquahallic:

k... I'mma wait until it hangs and see if it logs anything..:P

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juski:

gbee: as expected, these new badgers make the old ones look rather very poo :)

[11:47:20]

juski:

got discount for cash too :D

[11:47:33]

juski:

I like the way they operate

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gbee:

guess I'll have to wait to see them ;)

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hads:

I think this movie got one too many stars.

[12:08:40]

Dagmar:

WOW

[12:08:51]

Dagmar:

Heroes Season 1 is selling for $40?? Madness

[12:09:10]

Dagmar:

Oh crpa nevermind... that's the "forever in advance pre-order" price

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Ruleke:

HD ?

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directhex|work:

HD sucks. i want 2160p!

[12:22:11]

Ruleke:

and that's not HD ? :)

[12:22:58]

directhex|work:

it's better than HD!

[12:23:23]

Ruleke:

since when do the letters HD define a resolution ? :)

[12:23:50]

directhex|work:

last tuesday!

[12:24:15]

Ruleke:

damn you and your secret standards meetings

[12:24:21]

Ruleke:

defining everything without us ;)

[12:24:30]

Dagmar:

So is someone _really_ working on MythMusic?

[12:24:42]

GreyFoxx:

someone was recently

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tzanger:

goom was awesome on mythmusic

[12:24:57]

GreyFoxx:

And apparently make some serious improvements

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GreyFoxx:

but I don't use it enough to see them myself

[12:25:23]

gbee:

Dagmar: depends what you mean?

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gbee:

Paul has done some work on visualisations and I've done some on scanning & id3 tags

[12:26:22]

Dagmar:

Looks like I need to sync to svn head then

[12:26:38]

gbee:

I had intended to do some more work, but I've been sidetracked by other jobs atm

[12:26:43]

Dagmar:

I've been trying to eliminate the pointless existance of stop, play, and pause controls all on the screen at once

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Dagmar:

...and get rid of the damn text for the shuffle modes and replace them with _just_ graphical buttons

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gbee:

Dagmar: that hasn't changed in SVN, yet

[12:27:45]

Dagmar:

I think I'm probably more likely to get the shuffle indicator changed than anything else

[12:28:02]

gbee:

improving the UI and playlist management is on the cards – but it will mean someone having the free time to do it

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Dagmar:

My first couple of whacks at the stop/play/pause buttons resulted in binary detonation

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Dagmar:

<-- sucks at scope

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juski:

libvisual!

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juski:

libvisual!!

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juski:

I played with mythmusic for a bit a week or so ago & managed to break the buttons altogether

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quicksilver:

breaking stuff is always good!

[12:44:14]

juski:

aye but not when you don't have a clue why stuff has broken

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juski:

that's why I'm always suspicious of code changes that compile fine first time

[12:45:37]

gbee:

hehe, so far my patch had reduced the resident memory used by mythfrontend from 240Mb to 120Mb

[12:46:07]

juski:

you give the impression there's more to be saved, gbee :)

[12:47:03]

gbee:

should be so more, this one just eliminates duplicate button images being stored in memory

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gbee:

s/so/some/

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juski:

I can see myself playing with something ecommerc-y tonight

[12:47:34]

juski:

badger badger :)

[12:47:46]

gbee:

needs some refinement as it segfaults when leaving plugin menus, but it seems otherwise sound

[12:47:49]

juski:

any luck I might have to get some more printed for LRL

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juski:

gbee: one way to make sure you've left a plugin menu, fer sure :)

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gbee:

juski: if you can get a decent photo of on, I'd love to see it :)

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juski:

gbee: K – I'll do a photo of old vs new

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gbee:

just installing the latest blootube-wide so I can do a proper before&after on the memory

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Dagmar:

heheheh

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Dagmar:

I have some animations now

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Dagmar:

All your RAM are belong to us

[12:50:57]

Dagmar:

1/4 of the screen animating 20 frames

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juski:

Dagmar: WHY?

[12:51:19]

Dagmar:

To cause despair

[12:51:27]

juski:

it works for me!

[12:51:37]

Dagmar:

I think I'm going to cut it down quite a bit

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Dagmar:

I just made an entire bank of blinking, flashing buttons and indicators

[12:52:00]

Dagmar:

It's a bit too noisy like that tho

[12:52:04]

juski:

I thought about doing a rotating mythtv logo

[12:52:36]

Dagmar:

Notice how the numbers flash white & orange at http://www.lcarsdeveloper.com/

[12:52:42]

juski:

a database setting for UI animations would be nifty – seen all the comment about people wanting to keep power consumption down

[12:53:42]

juski:

mythfrontend -O EnableLittleGuyWithAntennaWhereTheSunDontShine=1

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Dagmar:

Here's a little something for you Juski, it's Ubuntu-rrific: http://mirror.uncyc.org/wiki/Command_Line

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gbee:

heh, mfe is now using less memory on my frontend than kopete

[12:59:17]

gbee:

http://pastebin.ca/509383

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gbee:

think I've earned a cup of tea

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Beirdo:

nice work

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juski:

gbee: with blootube-wide? ZOMG!

[13:02:15]

** juski beers gbee **

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gardengnome:

gbee: that's teh awesome

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juski:

blimey – this might mean I can go back to using blootube-wide on my frontend which has only 512MB :)

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gardengnome:

gbee: you make my s100 very happy

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gbee:

I'll open a ticket with the patch for people to test after I've had lunch and fixed the segfault

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GreyFoxx:

different patch from the caching/scaling patch you put in the other day ?

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: yeah

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GreyFoxx:

cool

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gbee:

there are other savings to be made – this was just the easiest so I started there

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GreyFoxx:

yay, my msntv's thank you too :)

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gbee:

I'd consider the patch a proof of concept, rather than something stable which will go into SVN – I'm going to need Isaac to signoff first

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juski:

there are scaling/caching patchees too? wooo

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Yeah, some see significan t improvement in startup time and such from it too

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juski:

yeah we can't have blootube-wide falling from the #1 spot now can we?

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juski:

be nice if the differences aren't quite so vulgar at the end of the experience though :)

[13:20:03]

janneg:

I would assume that the patch has similar savings for all themes

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janneg:

1600x1200: Iulius: 51M, blue: 81M, mythcenter: 120M, Retro und GANT: 215M, Titivillus: 260M, blootube: 299M, ProjectGrayhem: 300M

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juski:

projectgrayhem is def. a waste of memory. I hate it

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janneg:

the 4:3 values are older

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juski:

PG uses more than pg-wide?! wah?

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juski:

how's that even possible?

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GreyFoxx:

hehe I remember the day you started that, after I showed you a project mayhem inspired theme I was running in my house :0

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juski:

the base images are smaller damnit

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juski:

GreyFoxx: yeah I was dead proud of myself too. damn foo

[13:22:19]

GreyFoxx:

It's all about growing and learning :)

[13:22:29]

GreyFoxx:

Stuff I was proud about a year ago I think is crap now hehe

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juski:

I might well revisit it soon

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juski:

make it not suck again

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GreyFoxx:

I've got a few items on my list to get done soon, but first I'm focusing on the iptv lockup Iv'e run into

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tzanger:

sucking is good

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tzanger:

oh... you're talking about themes

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GreyFoxx:

after that I want to change from preloading CC fonts at playback startup to load on demand

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juski:

tzanger: being sucked is good. sucking is er.. for suckers

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GreyFoxx:

my test patches made a huge difference in startup time on remote nfsroot'd frontends

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SynrG:

blargh. Marillat's last mythtv pkg now segfaults and i don't have the previous version to downgrade to

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juski:

wooo these new hdd brackets are s m o o t h

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Dagmar:

Rubber shock absorbers?

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juski:

I'm def gonna draw up a PC case & get a quote from Jarrobs

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juski:

Dagmar: as if

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Dibblah:

SynrG: Is that the SVN package of 0.20?

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juski:

design the case right & it won't resonate as much

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SynrG:

Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.

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SynrG:

#0 0xb666589e in XRRQueryExtension () from /usr/lib/libXrandr.so.2

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Custom made case ?

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SynrG:

Dibblah: yeah

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SynrG:

croaks querying the RandR extension

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juski:

put proper feet on it & it won't shake the surface

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Dibblah:

Yup. It's a patch that shouldn't have been applied.

[13:26:08]

juski:

GreyFoxx: thinking about it yeah

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juski:

a HTPC case which cuts no corners & isn't crap

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Dibblah:

And wasn't tested in any way.

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juski:

also one which doesn't break the bank

[13:26:37]

juski:

I don't have overheads as such

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Dibblah:

Rolling it out to users was probably not the best of plans.

[13:26:50]

SynrG:

hmm. do you suppose i could just not load randr in my xorg.conf as a workaround?

[13:26:59]

Dibblah:

Maybe.

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gbee:

janneg: the savings will vary according to the theme, some might even be bigger than for blootube-wide it depends on the size of images and the number of times they are repeated

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juski:

GreyFoxx: bent tin, essentially, with a nice lid & front panel

[13:28:43]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: I am pretty sure my lease forbids me doing stained-glass work in the apartment

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Dagmar:

...otherwise, I learned how to do that sort of thing when I was 12

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Dagmar:

I like the bevels he has on that tho. That's actually kinda tricky

[13:29:15]

Dibblah:

Funny bit is everyone is saying stained glass.

[13:29:23]

Dibblah:

Which means... Well. Stained.

[13:29:26]

Dibblah:

And it's not.

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juski:

Dibblah: that is singularly *the* most chintzy thing I've ever seen

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Dagmar:

That could be rectified quite easily tho

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Dibblah:

juski: In a good way?

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SynrG:

hmm

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Dagmar:

It's stained on the other side

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** SynrG doesn't know the magic incantation to disable RandR **

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juski:

Dibblah: since when is chintz ever a good thing?

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Dagmar:

Seriously. Look closely at it. Why he only took a picture of the unstained side, I've no idea (unless maybe the other side is damn ugly)

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Dagmar:

What we need are cases made of sapient pearwood.

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juski:

yeah because wood is well known for its RF blocking properies

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juski:

and heat dissipation

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Dagmar:

Not only will it enforce good passwords, it'll eliminate any pesky physical theft issues you might have as well.

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Dagmar:

juski: _sapient pearwood_

[13:32:19]

Dagmar:

You've never read any Discworld novels, have you...

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: As far as I'm aware, that's still not yet a crime.

[13:33:01]

juski:

Dagmar: ah no

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juski:

I'm a non-believer

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juski:

like I've never read Tolkien either

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Dagmar:

juski: Bleh. I thought you people all ready Pratchett over there

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SynrG:

extmod?

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Dagmar:

Sapient Pearwood is what Twoflower's trunk was made of.

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Dagmar:

It would eat people.

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directhex|work:

i like pratchett, for pratchett is funny. toklien is dull.

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Dagmar:

...as well as produce nicely wrapped sandwiches with the crusts trimmed off for teatime.

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Dibblah:

Trunk?

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Dagmar:

Trunk. As in a large box with a lid and clasp

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Dibblah:

That's The Luggage. It's not a trunk.

[13:35:04]

Dagmar:

BLeh. Like it'll hear me typing this

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: speaking of CC fonts (you were a while ago while I was on a conf call :), do you know why we only allow the user to choose from fonts in the FontsDir (i.e. /usr{/local,}/share/mythtv )?

[13:35:32]

Dagmar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Luggage

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janneg:

gbee: We'll see

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SynrG:

serverflags ...

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SynrG:

option "randr" "off"

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SynrG:

i guess

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Dagmar:

Either way, an ATX fulltowere made of that would be das bombenschtupf

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Dagmar:

BTW, as to the rubber mounting kit for hard drives... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817991002

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: I was thinking it might be nice to provide a list of all fonts available to QT (using QFontDatabase), but haven't done a patch because I figured if something so easy wasn't done there must be a reason why not.

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juski:

we'd only ever use mounting kits approved by hDD manufacturers here. even then only after they've tested them in our product

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SynrG:

Dibblah: ok. apparently that works

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SynrG:

Dibblah: Section "ServerFlags" Option "RandR" "off" EndSection

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SynrG:

in case anyone else is stuck

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SynrG:

thanks

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GreyFoxx:

sphery: Honestly I don't know of a specific reason why it;s done that way now

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sphery:

Hmmm. May not be good to "fix" it until you've changed it to the load-on-demand approach

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GreyFoxx:

and since the vast majority of people A: don't use CC and B: don't need all possible sizes that can be changes to a cached load on demand

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juski:

making ATSC CC actual text was an inspired decision

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GreyFoxx:

commenting it out shaves 4–6 seconds off the startup on my nfsrooted msntv's

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sphery:

Wow. I had heard you mention it a few times, but never looked into it myself (since you were working it).

[13:42:28]

GreyFoxx:

plus each load rechecks the possible filesystem location for the font rather than remembering where it found it the first time ;)

[13:42:53]

GreyFoxx:

so it can be 49 loads, each lookinhg for the font in 3 or 4 places depending on where it actually is

[13:42:56]

sphery:

Yeah. There are some issues with the font-locating code (IMHO).

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directhex|work:

does CC come through as text? i had assumed it was an image stream like on a dvd

[13:43:13]

GreyFoxx:

directhex|work: It varries depending on the standard and such

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directhex|work:

handy. some obscure and never defined character encoding, i hope?

[13:43:38]

GreyFoxx:

some are images, some is text, some is text with info about location, size and such

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juski:

directhex|work: I think it's plain text in ATSC, hence the ability to change font etc

[13:43:58]

juski:

unlike the bitmap streams of uk dvb-t

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GreyFoxx:

sphery: It's on my immediate todo list to fix properly right after the iptv stuff I'm playing with

[13:44:21]

** directhex|work hands juski some SRT **

[13:44:22]

sphery:

Cool.

[13:44:25]

GreyFoxx:

expecially since most shows I watch are done til fall :)

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, while you're in the mood, you could do my OGM-SRT stuff ;)

[13:45:07]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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sphery:

Yep. Reason why I'm probably going to get started on some major changes to housekeeping/jobqueue to support automated backup/repair/analyze/optimize.

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directhex|work:

juski, why? convert the subs to mpeg2, done.

[13:46:24]

juski:

directhex|work: can you just do that?

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directhex|work:

juski, subs on a DVD are a video stream, so i can't see why not

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juski:

directhex|work: they're completely different apparently. nothing beyond OCR can drag the info out for conversion. apparently

[13:48:37]

directhex|work:

removes the need for fonts (e.g. hebrew subtitles), and allows important characters like ♥ or ♪

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directhex|work:

juski, that sounds stupid. if it's enough of an image to run OCR on it, why isn't it enough of an image to stick into a video stream as-is?

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juski:

yeah look at it from a hardware vendor's PoV

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directhex|work:

juski, not for any good reason. but then again, subtitle tools on linux are crap

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juski:

not just linux tools

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juski:

maybe all you'd need to do is render the graphic & turn it back into mpeggy subtitle data.. should be wee easy in theory

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Ruleke:

I have one I don't use :)

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juski:

I'm gonna bin mine on ebay before long

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juski:

I might bring it to LRL with me if I decide to bother with the video camera

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juski:

and if I do bother with the vid camera this time, I'll be publishing video of how busy the stand is

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frink_:

juski: This weekend aint it?

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gbee:

god I hope not!

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gbee:

I've got dates wrong before, but that would be a major screwup :)

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juski:

jesus!

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frink_:

;-)

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frink_:

ok

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juski:

july 7th & 8th www.juski.co.uk

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gbee:

I should just check that today _is_ the 25th May and not the 6th July? :0

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directhex|work:

i will be away in distant lands on the 6th of july

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directhex|work:

you know LRL is near when you no longer have my soothing presence to make life better

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AndyCap:

btw. where does dvb transmit teletext service? a separate PID?

[14:05:08]

juski:

gbee: 25th May, yay

[14:05:32]

juski:

AndyCap: teletext? line 25–30 usually innit?

[14:05:41]

** gbee relaxes **

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juski:

mheg is all over the shop

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juski:

gbee: don't worry about it. if we slept in, we slept in :)

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AndyCap:

juski: in mpeg as well? ok..

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directhex|work:

smheghead!

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AndyCap:

MHE. From the guys with a patent on not allowing people to zap during commercials.

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gbee:

ok, looks like the ref counting is working – don't appear to be leaking memory

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AndyCap:

s/E/P/

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juski:

AndyCap: $ly have patented a method of showing you ads when you FF during commercial breaks

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juski:

teh evils!

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AndyCap:

who?

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juski:

$ly

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gbee:

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/25/revie . . . star_7k1000/

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directhex|work:

AndyCap, sky. DVB-S monopoly in .uk

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juski:

they make $ly plu$ and have channels like $ly One, $ly Two, $ly HD

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AndyCap:

aaah, sky. couldn't connect the dots there

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AndyCap:

directhex|work: well, there's the european porn peddlers as well.

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directhex|work:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20020722h.gif

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directhex|work:

AndyCap, but which CAM do i need to get european porn? it's all so confusing :(

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juski:

hardCAM ?

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juski:

:-P

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AndyCap:

directhex|work: I dunno. bittorrentcam

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** directhex|work inserts a smartcard into juski **

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** AndyCap just sees the ads in Wotsat **

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AndyCap:

but, even though you have a monopoly the prices are cheaper than the nordic duopoly

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frink_:

directhex|work: You're inserting objects into juski to get porn?

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AndyCap:

kinky...

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juski:

frink_: go forth & multiply!

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directhex|work:

frink_, *gently caress* you!

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AndyCap:

go froth?

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juski:

it's almost time to go buy a new monitor.. ohyeah

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frink_:

juski: I already went forth and multiplied, twice.. I do not intent on multiplying again (I'll do some going forth though ;-)

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frink_:

juski: Aye, I remember when we all had 14" SVGA monitors.. 15" if you were lucky and 17" if you were rich.

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juski:

still waiting for the multiplication to start occuring here

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Dibblah:

14"? I had 9"... :(

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frink_:

juski: Lemme me know if you need help debugging it..

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frink_:

9" !

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juski:

Ewronghole?

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frink_:

Did you have a mac classic?

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Dibblah:

It was color, though.

[14:22:44]

Dibblah:

No – Just a free monitor.

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juski:

wow. scan have a better monitor for cheaper. I'm off to Bolton then!

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gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3506

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gbee:

get it whilst it's hot

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juski:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/productinfo.as . . . uctID=605159

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frink_:

thats impressive memory savings

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frink_:

With the Windows Vista™ operating system, it's now easier and quicker than ever before to find, use, manage, and share information on your PC or online.

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adante:

well

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frink_:

bollocks!

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juski:

that's even without putting the watermark definitions into different files?

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gbee:

the length of the ticket summary is impressive

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gbee:

juski: yeah

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adante:

you may be interested to know that mythtv can even be used for comedic entertainment

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frink_:

so 22" monitor for < 200 quid

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adante:

i got home to find my folks had gotten into the wine

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adante:

one of them accidentally pressed the time shift button and then zoomed it to 2x speed

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frink_:

real wine or crossover?

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adante:

real wine

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juski:

gbee: reeee-spec!

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adante:

apparently after a few glasses of red this is hi-larious

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juski:

gbee: you're the main man, man :)

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frink_:

juski: < 200 quid for a 22" monitor is ipressive

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gbee:

if we didn't load unused watermarks there would another saving – maybe 20Mb at a guess, for someone who doesn't have plugins installed

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juski:

frink_: it's less this weekend. like £186.83

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juski:

feck! http://www.scan.co.uk/products/productinfo.as . . . uctID=605160

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frink_:

i really want something like this that also has composite in

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frink_:

oh better contract ratio..

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frink_:

900:1

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juski:

I'll go for £186 3000:1 contrast, DVI with HDCP etc

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juski:

that's me offski. ttfn chaps & chappesses

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frink_:

its 3000:1 !

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frink_:

you'll get a tan!

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geoffeg:

Encoding to Mpeg4 is much, much nicer than RTJPEG

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Ruleke:

mpeg4 ? bah

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geoffeg:

you prefer tjpeg?

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geoffeg:

rtjpeg even

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Ruleke:

nah it's just that I have problems playing back h264 at HD :P

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Ruleke:

nevermind me

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Ruleke:

I'm assuming you meant mpeg4 part10

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geoffeg:

oh, i haven't tried playing back at HD yet

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Redth:

i got my dvb-s card in the mail yesterday!

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Redth:

crossing my fingers it will work in myth

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Redth:

got a geniatech digistar dvb-s which apparently is what digiwave 103g's repackage from

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Dibblah:

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Dibblah:

50% resident memory reduction?

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stuarta:

from what?

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Dibblah:

Frontend.

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Dibblah:

#3506

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** stuarta looks **

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Dibblah:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3506

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Ruleke:

:)

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Ruleke:

we just talked about that in here, scroll up

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stuarta:

can't scroll up, just joined :-P

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Ruleke:

ah not you dibblah ;)

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Dibblah:

That's what the logbot is for ;)

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stuarta:

and since it's < 24hrs since i last joined, the bot didn't say hello

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Ruleke:

darn bot

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stuarta:

i know where they are anyway :)

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Ruleke:

eh should tell you off for joining so often ;)

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Dagmar:

Wow... This is messed up. Students protesting that they're not being allowed to walk across the graduation stage because they're _not graduating_

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Ruleke:

well it's not the kid itself

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Ruleke:

:p

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Dagmar:

But still...

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kabtoffe:

yay. legal dvd copying in Finland!

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Dagmar:

Her kid can't pass their senior year, and it's obvious there's no help from at least one parent

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Ruleke:

isn't it legal everywhere ?

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Ruleke:

;)

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Ruleke:

I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to copy my own dvds for backup reasons etc

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Dagmar:

No you're not

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Dagmar:

The MPAA says all copying is evil because it violates their copy protection number

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kabtoffe:

Well, we got this new law that says you can't bypass a strong protection system.

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Dagmar:

You can't know their magic number or you are a criminal!

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Dagmar:

kabtoffe: Which gov't is requring "strong" encryption now?

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kabtoffe:

A court deemed tha dvd css is not strong as it has been easily breakable by the consumer since 1999

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Ruleke:

MPAA opinion != law

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Ruleke:

/whosi Dagmar

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Ruleke:

I meant whois

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stuarta:

i read today that Antigua has decided to stick it's fingers up at the US

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Ruleke:

what non-US country is this you talk of ?

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Dagmar:

kabtoffe: it's been breakable by anyone capable of operating a bit copier

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stuarta:

the US decision to ban internet gambling (but not all of it) is in violation of the WTA

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Dagmar:

The fun thing is, you _don't have to actually involve yourself with css at all to copy a DVD_

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stuarta:

so the country that has been violated, gets to ignore its WTO obligations towards the other country

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Dagmar:

CSS is a complete _failure_ as a copy protection mechanism. It is merely a playback-restriction mechanism that they have chosen to _call_ a copy-protection mechanism in order to invoke the DMCA

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kabtoffe:

Yes well. I just thought I'd share the good news. Didn't really want a lecture. :)

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stuarta:

so they've decided to allow dvd piracy :)

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directhex|work:

stuarta, but US foreign policy has NO CONSEQUENCES, you damned commie liberal

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Dagmar:

stuarta: Good for them

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** stuarta sticks 2 fingers up the nose of the US **

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stuarta:

Dagmar: that's what i though

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stuarta:

thought

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kabtoffe:

http://www.turre.com/blog/?p=102

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gbee:

grr, had to call my mobile operator three times because their automated PUK code thing kept reading the number too fast

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stuarta:

makes a change from ignoring your keypresses

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gbee:

heh, yeah

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Aquahallic:

Looking at the howto for my Nvidia card with mythtv.. it shows I should have a file called 'XvMCConfig' in my /etc/X11 dir. but it's not there. Is this something I need to create or did I not setup X correctly??

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tzanger:

hmm, is there a myth plugin for tv-links.co.uk?

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directhex|work:

Aquahallic, you can just create one. but generally, don't use xvmc unless you need to

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Aquahallic:

what's best to use with an Nvidia card?

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directhex|work:

well, not XvMC, unless you need to (i.e. have a slow CPU)

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Aquahallic:

it's a P4 2.6 gig

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fysa:

mythtv@mythtv:/etc/X11> more /etc/X11/XvMCConfig

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fysa:

libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1

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Aquahallic:

so to turn that off do I just turn off motion compensation in the mythtv-setup?

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fysa:

I only really use XvMC with 1080i stuff in mplayer.

[15:15:54]

fysa:

Is your OSD greyscale?

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fysa:

you do it on the mythfrontend setup..

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fysa:

in Settings/General/Playback or some such.

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fysa:

You should be able to change from Xv to XvMC? to GL? or something like that.

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Aquahallic:

should I just use OpenGL then?

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fysa:

just Xv should be fine.

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fysa:

you can try OpenGL.

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Aquahallic:

k

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blergit:

does anybody know if the greyscale OSD with XvMC is currently being worked on at all, or it's a little bit lower on the 'to do' list?

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stuarta:

i think it's been done somewhere.

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Dagmar:

In the meantime, Crayola makes a wonderful set of watercolor markers that wipe right off the screen when you're done

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** stuarta chuckles **

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JoeyJoeJo:

I just installed the newest knoppmyth, and whenever I restart X, it automatically generates a new, incorrect xorg.conf. How can I stop that from happening?

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Dagmar:

Whatever the people in #KnoppMyth tell you

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JoeyJoeJo:

I posted in there too, but there's not to much action

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stuarta:

if wait() < 30mins; wait()

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JoeyJoeJo:

clever

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Dagmar:

cluelessone: Okay, so does /usr/lib/java/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so exist?

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JoeyJoeJo:

I just switched to 1080i output on my frontend, and now the font in the program guide, listen to music, watch recordings, watch videos and play games is GIANT. How can I set the size of those fonts?

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Dagmar:

it's in the FAQ

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zbrown:

Does anyone have any compelling arguments as to why I'd want a Hauppage PVR-150 vs PVR-250?

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zbrown:

I looked at this comparison: http://www.shspvr.com/reviews/comparison/comparison.htm and see no real reason why I'd want the 250 over the 150

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mchou:

yeah, simple. good luck trying to find a 250

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stuarta:

there's no need for the 250.

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zbrown:

ok thats what I needed to know

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mchou:

250 been out of production for a very long time

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zbrown:

oic

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zbrown:

well then 150 it is

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stuarta:

or a 500 = 2x 150

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mchou:

150 is going out of production soon too :)

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zbrown:

Ok, can the 150 do digital signals too?

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mchou:

ppl buying HVR-1x00 now :)

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stuarta:

no

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mchou:

but of course no support fo that in linux just yet

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zbrown:

Hmmm ok.

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zbrown:

so is Hauppage the recommended brand for a tv tuner?

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mchou:

ppl probably said "wtf!"

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stuarta:

the 150 isn't a tv tuner

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stuarta:

its a capture card

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zbrown:

well capture, sorry

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zbrown:

I'm a little new to all this

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mchou:

dude, a capture card has a tuner

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mchou:

stop being so academic

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stuarta:

maybe i'll just go to the pub.

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mchou:

yeah, go destroy a few brain cells

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stuarta:

you'll have to excuse me, i've spent the last 4 days on a vmware course

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mchou:

lol

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stuarta:

splitting hairs is important

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mchou:

then your brain has already been destroyed

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mchou:

if you need a 4 day course on vmware, the SW MUST suck

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stuarta:

frankly the 3 hr demo we had from the techie the week before covered it

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** zambaroo is going to attend that course on june 6 **

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stuarta:

it's good if you dunno much about their enterprise stuff

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gbee:

you wouldn't make as much money from a half-day course

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mchou:

I love how many ppl it took to install MSFT MCE with CableCARD

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mchou:

anyone see that?

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stuarta:

entertaining i'll bet...

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mchou:

at the end of the install a cable tech asked "so why would anyone want to install MCE, when you can get a STB for $5/month from us?"

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mchou:

the folks at MSFT had no good answer

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stuarta:

hahaha

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GreyFoxx:

Is it on youtube or something ?

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zbrown:

Any thoughts on GeexBox vs Freevo?

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mchou:

no, gimme a sec to find the link

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Dagmar:

zbrown: What do those have to do with MythTV?

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zbrown:

Dagmar: Both of them are linux distros designed around MythTV to create a personal media center

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smoked1:

I got an extra computer last night and I want to setup a mythtv system. All I need is a TV Tuner card right?

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GreyFoxx:

zbrown: No

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gbee:

zbrown: no they aren't

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stuarta:

smoked1: yes

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GreyFoxx:

neither has naything to do with myth

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GreyFoxx:

and they are not distros

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GreyFoxx:

at least freevo isn't

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smoked1:

I have an older all in wonder card.

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zbrown:

err wait freevo isn't

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** stuarta wonders why the heck mythxml is holding onto so much memory **

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zbrown:

my apologies

[16:25:18]

smoked1:

Would that work?

[16:25:29]

stuarta:

smoked1: throw it as far away as possible

[16:25:43]

smoked1:

LOL OK

[16:25:45]

GreyFoxx:

bah, my cable modem is going off any second while they do maintenance outside

[16:25:52]

** stuarta waves **

[16:25:58]

smoked1:

What would you suggest for the TV Tuner card?

[16:26:09]

stuarta:

cable, satellite???

[16:26:20]

smoked1:

I have digital cable

[16:27:10]

stuarta:

someone else will have to take over here. i'm meeting some mates down the pub.

[16:27:23]

smoked1:

:(

[16:27:31]

mchou:

MCE/CableCARD install: http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/21/installing . . . rt-1-fiasco/

[16:27:35]

stuarta:

look into hdhomerun

[16:27:47]

mchou:

freaking hilarious!

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smoked1:

Also, is mythtv the best route to take? It's the only solution that I have heard of but with Linux there are always many more.

[16:28:40]

xris:

smoked1: hd cable?

[16:28:47]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: there is no way they could have hosted enough footage on youtube for that

[16:28:47]

nero:

smoked1, Myth is by far the most mature of the linux options.

[16:28:50]

smoked1:

No not hd

[16:29:13]

gbee:

smoked1: it's one of many, it's the most functional but is designed mostly for dedicated PVRs – not occassionally watching TV on your desktop PC

[16:29:36]

smoked1:

Yeah this would be a dedicated DVR and also a web/mail server

[16:29:56]

mchou:

nero_: correction: Mythtv is THE most mature PVR option

[16:30:06]

gbee:

smoked1: a normal configuration would be a dedicated PVR for recording with one (or hundreds of frontends for playback)

[16:30:14]

xris:

smoked1: you might want to look into how much an hd upgrade would cost (for me it's only $5/month extra), since you could then use firewire to record.. way better quality than an encoder.

[16:30:32]

smoked1:

I don't have an HDTV though

[16:30:49]

nero:

xris- thats assuming you dont have 5c on most of the programming you would want to record.. :(

[16:30:52]

xris:

smoked1: neither do I. I get all of my SD channels over firewire, too (not everyone does, but it's worth finding out)

[16:31:07]

smoked1:

OK I will call them today

[16:31:12]

xris:

nero: most of my channels are encrypted over QAM, but the cable box still gives them to me.

[16:31:14]

smoked1:

I might already have it.

[16:31:27]

** nero can record 2 local channels, a handful of analog + pbs HD.. everything else has 5c enabled over FW :( **

[16:31:31]

smoked1:

Yeah I think I am able to do HD if I have an HDTV

[16:31:34]

xris:

smoked1: the deal is that the FCC only requires firewire for HD customers, so you need to be an HD customer to get it.

[16:31:52]

mchou:

xris: no, that's not true at all

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xris:

if you're lucky, you'll get SD, too. If not, you'll only get the broadcast HD channels and you can downgrade.

[16:32:11]

mchou:

xris: there is no need to be a HD "subscriber"

[16:32:13]

xris:

mchou: huh? the reg seemed pretty clear about it.

[16:32:20]

smoked1:

hmm

[16:32:35]

mchou:

even ppl with "limited" basic can get HD

[16:33:01]

mchou:

via firewire

[16:33:20]

smoked1:

OK Im confused now

[16:33:33]

nero:

smoked1, join the club.. ;)

[16:33:35]

gbee:

how is that different from what he said? i.e. that HD customers get firewire?

[16:33:53]

xris:

mchou: you still had to rent the HD box.

[16:34:00]

mchou:

gbee: there is NO ReQUIREMENT to be an HD Subscriber

[16:34:02]

juski:

oh – my – god !

[16:34:27]

juski:

I need wider glasses

[16:34:37]

nero:

?

[16:34:37]

mchou:

gbee: you can just be a "limited" basic subscriber

[16:34:43]

smoked1:

OK so what is a good and cheap tuner card guys?

[16:34:59]

gbee:

mchou: and limited subscribers don't get HD?

[16:35:01]

juski:

smoked1: the is NO good & cheap tuner card

[16:35:09]

juski:

s/the/there

[16:35:25]

mchou:

xris: renting the HD box doesnt mean you are an HD subscribe. anyone can get that

[16:35:30]

juski:

lamegrabbers are a false economy

[16:35:34]

mchou:

subscriber*

[16:35:56]

mchou:

gbee: suse, stop confusing youself.

[16:36:08]

mchou:

dude*

[16:36:33]

zambaroo:

[16:36:37]

zambaroo:

hi all even

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gbee:

I'm not confused – I think your arguing something that never was

[16:36:49]

juski:

reality sinks in that I didn't clear this purchase with SWMBO first

[16:36:53]

gbee:

but don't worry about it, I'm already bored of it

[16:37:09]

mchou:

gbee: you are confused. xris said: (09:31:34) xris: smoked1: the deal is that the FCC only requires firewire for HD customers, so you need to be an HD customer to get it.

[16:37:11]

gbee:

juski: heh

[16:37:32]

smoked1:

Are there any tuner cards that will work that I could buy at best buy tonight?

[16:37:54]

juski:

smoked1: Hauppauge pvr150 if you're content with analogue TV

[16:37:56]

mchou:

gbee: and all I said was you dont need to be a HD subscriber to get HD over firewire

[16:38:02]

gbee:

mchou: and receiving HD doesn't make you an HD customer? He never said you must be a subscriber to an HD package

[16:38:06]

juski:

buy no other analogue tuner other than a pvr500 from Hauppauge

[16:38:40]

mchou:

gbee: xris said: "so you need to be an HD customer to get it"

[16:38:55]

mchou:

gbee: which part of that dont you comprehend?

[16:39:08]

gbee:

mchou: your definition of customer

[16:39:28]

mchou:

lol

[16:39:30]

xris:

mchou: if you have an HD box, you're an HD customer. You can get HD channels over firewire, that makes you an HD customer.

[16:39:39]

mchou:

xris: bullshit

[16:39:41]

gbee:

you've just said that someone on a limited subscription can get HD – that makes them an HD customer

[16:39:49]

jay1:

how in the world do u get mythmusic to play the music loaded on ur system

[16:39:59]

mchou:

I have an HD STB, and I'm a limited basic subscriber

[16:39:59]

jay1:

when i go to play all i see is active channel

[16:40:09]

jay1:

and my media extender says i have no content

[16:40:17]

xris:

mchou: you are paying your cable company for TV, and you are getting HD. that makes you both a customer and an HD subscriber.

[16:40:18]

mchou:

I'm no HD "customer"

[16:40:20]

juski:

oh gee. it's gonna be one of those kinds of weekend

[16:40:22]

juski:

s

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smoked1:

Looks like I am going to best buy today.

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** xris gives up arguing with mchou. **

[16:40:42]

juski:

looks like I am not going to be here this weekend :)

[16:40:42]

gbee:

lmao

[16:40:50]

smoked1:

I'll get this setup before the UFC fight tomarrow night.. YES!

[16:40:53]

mchou:

xris: no, I dont pay cable co anything "extra" for HD other than the rental of STB itself

[16:41:03]

juski:

smoked1: you have such confidence :)

[16:41:05]

xris:

mchou: who said you had to pay extra to be an hd customer?

[16:41:09]

gbee:

that's cheered me up, haven't laughed so hard all week

[16:41:12]

juski:

if all else fails, there's always Vista

[16:41:12]

Dagmar:

xris: http://www.argaste.com/img/arguing_on_the_internet.jpg

[16:41:21]

xris:

smoked1: anyway, pvr-150 is a great analog card. firewire is worth testing out if you can upgrade cheaply for a month or so.

[16:41:29]

mchou:

xris: you did

[16:41:53]

smoked1:

I am a bit confused as to how the cable company provides me with firewire.

[16:41:55]

xris:

mchou: since when? besides, you're paying for an HD box. that to me sounds like "paying extra for HD"

[16:41:56]

jay1:

is there a way to force a scan of my music directory for myth to play it?

[16:41:57]

Dagmar:

xris: *particularly* in this case

[16:41:58]

juski:

bloody hell. webpages at 1680x1050 look scary

[16:42:02]

mchou:

xris: you said earlier "....so you need to be an HD customer to get it."

[16:42:07]

smoked1:

I mean if the computer has firewaire than I have firewire

[16:42:11]

Dagmar:

juski: All the porn comes out tiny

[16:42:20]

juski:

smoked1: if you have cable & your cable STB has firewire

[16:42:21]

xris:

smoked1: some HD cable boxes have a firewire port on them to get data off of

[16:42:25]

mchou:

xris: the HD box does more than "just" HD.

[16:42:31]

juski:

and the firewire port is enable

[16:42:48]

juski:

and if the firewire port is enabled and if the content is unencrippled

[16:42:49]

smoked1:

I have an HD box with Firewire but I don't think it's enabled

[16:42:57]

juski:

smoked1: I have news for ya

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juski:

it has to be enabled. the FCC say so

[16:43:13]

mchou:

xris: the point is the FCC says any customer can get HD over firewire, period.

[16:43:33]

smoked1:

I see

[16:43:38]

mchou:

as long as you are subscibe to a basic tier of service

[16:43:46]

xris:

smoked1: what juski said. however, which channels you get is up to the cableco.

[16:43:51]

Dagmar:

I've alreayd started arguing with Comcast here about it, but I don't expect much ground to be gained by it

[16:43:51]

mchou:

there is no need to subscribe to HD

[16:44:15]

gbee:

mchou: so "any customer" who "can get HD" isn't a HD customer?

[16:44:36]

mchou:

gbee: dude, are you daft?

[16:44:56]

gbee:

mchou: only on Tuesdays

[16:45:19]

mchou:

(09:43:13) mchou: the point is the FCC says any customer can get HD over firewire, as long as you are subscibe to a basic tier of service

[16:45:56]

Dagmar:

Although that's entirely incorrect.

[16:45:58]

mchou:

gbee: where does the FCC say you need to be an HD "customer" to get HD over firewire?

[16:46:09]

nero:

mchou, but is a cable company obliged to give you a HD box, if you aren't going to subscribe to any HD content?

[16:46:22]

mchou:

nero_: yes, per fcc

[16:46:25]

nero:

gotcha.

[16:46:35]

gbee:

mchou: you recieve a product of any company and you are a customer

[16:46:44]

mchou:

nero_: you still have to pay for the rental of the STB, of course

[16:46:49]

jay1:

what happens if i connect my vga port on my cable box to vga on my myth box?

[16:46:52]

jay1:

anything

[16:46:52]

mchou:

gbee: lol

[16:47:07]

Dagmar:

If you're getting "standard" cable, they have no obligation that I'm aware of to give you anything other than standard sd cable

[16:47:08]

nero:

jay1, nothing good..

[16:47:24]

nero:

the VGA on your STB is an output.. the VGA on your myth box is an output..

[16:47:32]

nero:

aka- both are trying to send.. nothing is receiving..

[16:47:33]

mchou:

gbee: so I recieve MSFT Vista I'm an MSFT Office "customer?"

[16:47:35]

mchou:

LOL

[16:47:38]

jay1:

darn... i have no tv capture card. :(

[16:48:10]

jay1:

ah well music more important to me right now

[16:48:34]

gbee:

mchou: you've paid money, recieved a product – you'd argue that doesn't make you a customer?

[16:48:44]

xris:

gbee: it's no worth arguing with him.

[16:48:46]

jay1:

i am trying to stream my music to a upnp device the device sees it but says i have no music even though myth has scanned my music directory

[16:48:53]

frink_:

jay1: they are like $20 on ebay :)

[16:49:01]

mchou:

gbee: dont be stupid, the question here is which product got paid for

[16:49:03]

Dagmar:

xris: I would have thought the image I linked earlier could just be repeated for him

[16:49:23]

Dagmar:

mchou *never* admits to being wrong.

[16:49:25]

jay1:

frink thats my next project right now music is more important :)

[16:49:31]

gbee:

xris: yeah, but at least up to know it's been fun – but I shouldn't tease him any more, it's not really fair :)

[16:49:48]

mchou:

gbee: lol, you think you are teasing me?

[16:49:59]

mchou:

I've be brain fucking YOU

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xris:

mchou: I believe the correct word is "baiting"

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xris:

mchou: please no swearing.

[16:50:14]

xris:

you guys already scared off the newbie.

[16:50:28]

mchou:

xris: you started it :)

[16:50:47]

jay1:

anyone at all :P just need to configure myth to place nice to my upnp device

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mchou:

"HD customer", course you scare off noobs with that

[16:51:14]

squish102:

has any1 tried a frontend over 802.11g, especially the HD stuff?

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xris:

mchou: no, but the childish arguing might.

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xris:

squish102: doubt you can do hd over wireless, even g.

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xris:

you can do SD, though, if you have a good signal.

[16:52:20]

mchou:

xris: apparent nero undrstood my point

[16:52:50]

xris:

mchou: I stopped arguing awhile back. not going to continue with it.

[16:52:53]

squish102:

thanks xris, i was trying to not punch holes through to run a cable, guess that is what i am going to be doing

[16:53:19]

xris:

squish102: you can do the math if you want. HD runs about 7–9.6 gigs per hour

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xris:

(plus network overhead)

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squish102:

ok, so it could be close

[16:54:08]

squish102:

what can g do, about 22Mbit/s

[16:54:26]

jay1:

mythweb sees all my music but my upnp player does not see any :(

[16:55:39]

squish102:

another quick question. what table has the xmltvid's in. whenever i remove all my channels and repopulate them i have to manually type in about 40 xmltvid into mythweb

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juski:

squish102: channel

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squish102:

thanks

[16:56:13]

xris:

jay1: mythweb speaks myth protocol

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jay1:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/DLinkDSM520-UPnP

[16:56:59]

jay1:

my player does work just not for me :(

[16:57:40]

jay1:

dont care for video right now

[17:02:18]

xris:

jay1: are you running svn trunk?

[17:02:29]

xris:

I know it has a lot of upnp changes/fixes

[17:03:49]

jay1:

whatever version ubuntu feisty has

[17:04:04]

jay1:

lemme find out

[17:04:05]

xris:

then definitely not

[17:05:20]

jay1:

ugh its partially there

[17:05:53]

xris:

if you really want upnp stuff, you may want to look into compiling trunk.

[17:07:32]

gbee:

has CDev put music browsing support in?

[17:08:06]

jay1:

i just want this thing working :)

[17:08:27]

a5benwillis:

what thing

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juski:

I just want world peace

[17:08:40]

gbee:

UPnP

[17:08:51]

a5benwillis:

I just want to get Myth to stop crashing on me :)

[17:08:58]

gbee:

juski: all you had to do was ask! ... There, done.

[17:09:02]

a5benwillis:

oh and I wantto be able to ff HD content

[17:09:25]

** nero wonders what is more likely- world peace, or the elimionation of DRM? **

[17:09:26]

gbee:

well stopping myth crashing means making a backtrace :)

[17:09:27]

a5benwillis:

but I must take it one issue at a time

[17:09:44]

jay1:

well how i make myth play my music using the player it has?

[17:09:49]

jay1:

it doesnt even do that

[17:10:01]

jay1:

just says something along the lines of active channel

[17:10:19]

a5benwillis:

I really think my hack on dvbstreamdata.h may be contributing to my crash

[17:10:54]

gbee:

a5benwillis: that seems likely

[17:11:19]

a5benwillis:

but Im not sure if the patch in the bugtrack will fix it. Need to test toninght.

[17:11:25]

a5benwillis:

gbee: Gee thanks

[17:11:47]

juski:

hey would any users of projectgrayhem or projectgrayhem-wide object to me doing away with the current watermarks & replacing them with neon-wide's watermarks?

[17:12:33]

a5benwillis:

gbee: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3373

[17:12:37]

gbee:

a5benwillis: I mean I'm not aware of any outstanding crashes – things are generally very stable, so if your using a modified source then that needs to be eliminated first

[17:12:42]

a5benwillis:

just sop you know what hackIm talkingabt

[17:13:10]

a5benwillis:

actually, this crash is documented

[17:13:33]

gbee:

yeah?

[17:13:35]

a5benwillis:

when a show is endig and another is beginning the frontend will blue screen and give an error about playback

[17:13:44]

** gbee is getting sleepy **

[17:13:45]

a5benwillis:

let me find the threads again

[17:14:20]

juski:

a5benwillis: I thought that one had been nixed in -fixes ages ago

[17:14:40]

juski:

like from 0.20 to 0.20-fixes ago

[17:14:52]

a5benwillis:

trying to find the info again

[17:15:00]

juski:

I know the one you're talking about

[17:15:05]

juski:

been fixed, allegedly

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juski:

wheee projectGHEYhem looks mucho nicer with neon's watermarks

[17:17:03]

jay1:

ok i can play my music using myth audio player but still no content being sent to my upnp device :(

[17:17:10]

juski:

what a swizz artist I am :-P

[17:17:36]

a5benwillis:

http://pastebin.ca/503789

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a5benwillis:

thats my logs juski/gbee

[17:20:59]

a5benwillis:

still trying to find where Tanthrix found the documentation the other night when we talking abt it

[17:23:45]

gbee:

ok, the route cause is the DVB error – it goes to switch the channel and can't, therefore when we try to swap to the next file it doesn't exist yet

[17:24:05]

a5benwillis:

I get that every time I switch chans though

[17:24:28]

gbee:

a5benwillis: odd, seems like a DVB driver issue – what card?

[17:24:36]

a5benwillis:

Skystar2

[17:24:43]

a5benwillis:

bt chipset

[17:24:54]

a5benwillis:

erm

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a5benwillis:

i have one skystar and one twinhan

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juski:

OMG how awful are the watermarks in projectgrayhem?!

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gbee:

hideous

[17:29:21]

** gbee goes to have a look at them **

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a5benwillis:

gbee: I get these everytime I change chans. "Preview Error: Previewer file '/store/mythtv/recordings/3817_20070524213433.mpg' is not valid."

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gbee:

a5benwillis: every successful change?

[17:31:19]

a5benwillis:

yes

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gbee:

it will be an unrelated bug then – the preview thread is either called before the file is created, or more like with the wrong time

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gbee:

it would be interesting to compare the filename in that error with the one on the filesystem

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juski:

just realised – and NOBODY has said anything about it.. there's no watermark for mythgame in neon-wide !

[17:40:55]

zbrown:

Anyone know if the HVR-1600 works at all in Linux?

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juski:

zbrown: the digital tuner side of it does, I think. no more than that at best

[17:41:43]

zbrown:

juski: hmm ok

[17:41:53]

zbrown:

juski: so I couldn't use both digital and analog on it?

[17:42:03]

juski:

don't buy one without finding out for sure in #linuxtv or the v4l mailing list

[17:42:09]

gbee:

www.linuxtv.org <- check the wikis there for details of card support

[17:42:31]

zbrown:

gbee: ah just what i needed, thanks gbee

[17:42:34]

zbrown:

thanks juski

[17:42:36]

juski:

looks like I'm reworking all my theme watermarks when

[17:42:40]

juski:

s/when/then

[17:42:45]

juski:

bah!

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juski:

how the chuffinelle did I manage to leave out a watermark for mythgame? boo to me

[17:43:33]

directhex:

does anyone even use mythgame?

[17:43:39]

juski:

yeah they do

[17:43:39]

** nero uses mythgame **

[17:43:45]

gbee:

juski: looked fine in the low res screenshots on your website

[17:44:05]

juski:

gbee: they're gash IMHO. getting redone

[17:44:28]

gbee:

juski: to appease those who like the current watermarks you could just zip them up in a seperate download

[17:45:02]

juski:

gbee: nah to hell with them

[17:45:14]

gbee:

:)

[17:45:17]

a5benwillis:

gbee: I found one fileinthe log with the error and the file was never createdon the FS

[17:45:49]

zbrown:

Anyone have some advice on a capture card that would be digital ready, and supports analog? I'm trying to have support for the future as well as now and trying to not have to buy more than one card for my the PVR I want to build?

[17:46:14]

juski:

zbrown: the hvr1600, in about 12 months time

[17:46:26]

zbrown:

hmmm

[17:46:47]

zbrown:

so its not quite ready for prime-time then?

[17:48:16]

juski:

gbee: www.juski.co.uk/compare.png – new is on the left

[17:48:45]

gbee:

shiny

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opello:

juski: nice, want to send me some? :)

[17:49:06]

juski:

opello: I dunno. I've only got 250 this time

[17:49:13]

juski:

:-P

[17:49:14]

opello:

oh :(

[17:49:21]

gbee:

print looks sharper, in addition to the mythtv part being much easier to read

[17:49:23]

opello:

heh, i gave the rest to friends, they were pretty happy

[17:49:32]

juski:

I think I only got 50 last time

[17:49:35]

opello:

juski: Beirdo even got one

[17:49:36]

opello:

ohh

[17:49:44]

opello:

:p

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nero:

juski, very cool! :)

[17:50:37]

juski:

I'm not gonna use ebay this time

[17:50:48]

a5benwillis:

juski: Do I stillgetone?

[17:51:05]

juski:

they take too much of a cut, evil 'stards

[17:51:32]

juski:

a5benwillis: yeah. email me yer address.. or will that be on the paypal statement?

[17:51:33]

opello:

juski: well, if you find you have a few extras, let me know :)

[17:51:45]

juski:

opello: the shop will be opening for business soonish

[17:51:49]

juski:

www.juski.co.uk

[17:51:54]

a5benwillis:

should be on paypal but I can email it :-) THANKS!!

[17:52:18]

juski:

note I'm not in this to make a killing – these are (hopefully) gonna buy gbee, stuarta & I beers at LRL

[17:52:32]

opello:

juski: eew, hover buttons that change the image

[17:52:35]

opello:

:)

[17:52:47]

opello:

background-position is where it's at

[17:52:50]

juski:

opello: it's retro

[17:53:13]

juski:

opello: it's a real PITA to make a quick & easy to update site that works well in most browsers

[17:53:20]

opello:

yeah :/

[17:53:42]

juski:

course I've been threatening to cut IE users off for ages now

[17:54:00]

juski:

esp. IE7 after I had it foisted on me at work

[17:54:19]

juski:

hate is a strong word but I despise Windows fanboys

[17:54:34]

directhex:

i was astonished – i wrote a page today using XHTML strict, and it actually loads in ie6!

[17:54:58]

opello:

just add that 'too good for ie' banner :)

[17:56:07]

juski:

less than 25% of visitors are using IE these days on my site so they're not even worth going to extremes to pee off

[17:56:27]

gbee:

a5benwillis: you may want to raise your crash problem on the -dev mailing list, to me it looks either like a driver issue but there are people more familiar with that end of the code on the list

[17:56:31]

directhex:

i've used browser sniffing to replace the "valid css" and "valid xhtml" icons with "ie sucks" icons as & when

[17:57:16]

juski:

I've sat in front of this dual monitor setup for an hour now & I've been more productive already. awesomeness :-P

[17:57:43]

juski:

I think I need to make a stand so both are at the same height though

[17:58:27]

** juski imagines 3 of these 22" LG flatrons side by side.. mmmmmmmmm **

[17:59:20]

gnome42:

I have been having to kill off lingering ffmpeg procs from the new flash player. I am no perl guru but here is a patch that seems to be an improvement...

[17:59:28]

gnome42:

http://pastebin.ca/509885

[18:03:54]

gbee:

gnome42: sure xris will be interested

[18:05:18]

gnome42:

gbee: ok, cool. Do you see lingering ffmpeg procs as well?

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gnome42:

hi kormoc, I just posted this link for handler.pl http://pastebin.ca/509885

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gnome42:

kormoc: it's for killing off those lingering ffmpeg procs

[18:10:53]

kormoc:

gnome42, yeah, nifty. I'll poke at it

[18:11:13]

kormoc:

gnome42, my other idea was to do a ajax call so that the client has to keep it alive, but this likely is better

[18:11:52]

gnome42:

kormoc: it seems to work but has some downsides :)

[18:12:16]

kormoc:

gnome42, yeah?

[18:12:36]

gnome42:

kormoc: I wasn't able to work the 2>/dev/null back in so some ffmpge ouput hits the error.log

[18:12:47]

gnome42:

ffmpeg output

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kormoc:

ooh, I see

[18:13:04]

kormoc:

well, if you don't do the weird args thing, you should be able to

[18:13:04]

gnome42:

but I lowered ffmpeg verbosity a bit

[18:13:27]

gnome42:

yeah, the weird args thing is required, here at least

[18:13:51]

gnome42:

if not then ffmpeg gets spawned in a subshell and ffmpeg_pid is the sh pid

[18:14:14]

gnome42:

when we kill that shell the ffmpeg proc gets reparented to init :(

[18:16:11]

gnome42:

the other problem is sometimes apache procs segfault on the next requests

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gbee:

beer time

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gnome42:

If there is a good way to get the child pid of the spawned shell that would be good. But I couldn't find a good way.

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gbee:

gnome42: several of us have seen orphaned ffmpeg processess

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gnome42:

gbee: oh, but not everyone? All of mine linger unless I let them play til the end.

[18:20:45]

gbee:

j-rod & I were discussing it the other night

[18:21:12]

gbee:

gnome42: only person who said they _haven't_ seen it is xris

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gbee:

which doesn't mean that it happens for everyone else

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gnome42:

gbee: oh, ok.

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J-e-f-f-A-work:

blah.

[18:27:57]

juski:

happens for me too AFAIK

[18:28:07]

juski:

maybe not always but often

[18:29:13]

opello:

hm, what do i need for that streaming flv stuff?

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gnome42:

juski: Ok, so its likely not a config issue in my setup then.

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greg_:

hi all

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greg_:

when i view live tv there's sound, but there's no sound in my recordings. what am i doing wrong?

[18:30:18]

juski:

opello: an uncrippled ffmpeg & svn trunky

[18:30:30]

opello:

hmm

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juski:

greg_: not reading the mythtv docs at mythtv.org. see the section about configuring audio / troubleshooting audio

[18:30:52]

opello:

what's an uncrippled ffmpeg? heh

[18:30:53]

greg_:

thanks

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J-e-f-f-A-work:

opello: There's logs of info if you Google "flv mythtv" ...

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directhex:

opello, you need to recompile ffmpeg with --violate-patents

[18:32:08]

opello:

haha, oh :) nice configure flag

[18:32:39]

directhex:

or whatever it's really called

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directhex:

--enable-mp3 i expect

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opello:

i tried using something called mythstreamtv i think ... but i couldn't make it work right

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opello:

and the patches didn't cleanly apply

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J-e-f-f-A-work:

opello: mythstreamtv works relatively good once it's setup. I don't think it's been 'officially' supported since .18 though...

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J-e-f-f-A-work:

opello: It's just a 'frontend' to kick off VLC to stream and transcode the video in real time.

[18:35:25]

opello:

yeah, that's what soudned pretty nice, but i couldn't get it to go :/

[18:36:51]

J-e-f-f-A-work:

opello: There's an updated copy on a site that installs (mostly) clean on .20 — let me see if I can find the link for you... (It's a site with 'dropbear' in the url...)

[18:37:35]

opello:

mythstreamtv11.tar that's the one i found

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ajh:

Is there any quick way to reset the frontend configuration?

[18:38:09]

ajh:

I changed something and now when I hit the guide it crashes.

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juski:

to reset the GUI settings just do mythfrontend --reset

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opello:

J-e-f-f-A-work: http://jochensserver.dyndns.org/

[18:39:37]

opello:

?

[18:41:20]

J-e-f-f-A-work:

opello: yeah, dropbear, jogibear... same thing! ;-) Umm... What version of Myth are you running?

[18:41:53]

juski:

who was saying they've got a huge selection of stock art the other day? I could do with a decent joystick image with a clean background

[18:41:55]

opello:

0.20-fixes i think — something along those lines from gentoo anyway :)

[18:42:23]

opello:

media-tv/mythtv-0.20_p12376 in gentoo land :/

[18:42:25]

ajh:

juski, yeah but what about all the other settings?

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J-e-f-f-A-work:

opello: You may have to d/l the '10' version then...

[18:42:37]

juski:

ajh: restore a backup of your database?

[18:42:48]

ajh:

the front end stores in the database?

[18:42:59]

juski:

ajh: there aren't many settings you can change that'd make the frontend crash

[18:43:05]

opello:

J-e-f-f-A-work: will give it a try

[18:43:10]

ajh:

I found the one.

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juski:

ajh: all settings are stored in the database

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ajh:

Runing it in a window.

[18:43:18]

J-e-f-f-A-work:

opello: The '11' version is for the newest SVN, and probably won't work with .20

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juski:

ajh: beryl/compiz?

[18:43:31]

ajh:

Works until I hit guide.

[18:43:36]

ajh:

sorry?

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juski:

ajh: are you running a composited desktop like beryl or compiz?

[18:44:01]

ajh:

whatever edgy installs by default.

[18:44:04]

ajh:

er

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ajh:

feisty

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J-e-f-f-A-work:

ajh: Sounds like a video driver/overlay issue...

[18:44:21]

juski:

ajh: install binary video drivers for your VGA card

[18:44:28]

ajh:

juski, it is.

[18:44:40]

juski:

ajh: but the setting for running mythfrontend in a window is in the appearance menu

[18:45:00]

juski:

just unset it

[18:45:16]

ajh:

yeah, makes it kinda useless then though.

[18:45:31]

ajh:

I'll look at driver issues.

[18:45:35]

ajh:

thanks.

[18:46:09]

ajh:

It's running the ATIFGLRX stuff though.

[18:46:46]

juski:

ugh. ATI

[18:46:50]

juski:

ah well

[18:47:08]

ajh:

It's a thinkpad, not a lot of choice.

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** J-e-f-f-A-work thinks ATI is EVIL! ;-) **

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directhex:

they've been saying that for about 6 years

[18:48:16]

directhex:

they're liars

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** J-e-f-f-A-work used to like ATI in the days of Windoze 95 with an all-in-wonder... Best (visually) tv tuner of it's day... but yuck with Linux! **

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ajh:

no, they're not liars.. the issues are complex.

[18:49:19]

directhex:

6 years' worth of complex?

[18:49:51]

ajh:

Since when is it 2012?

[18:49:57]

ajh:

They were bought last year.

[18:50:18]

ajh:

and yes, easily many years worth, patents, etc.

[18:54:00]

ajh:

OK, it's using MITSHM not Xvideo

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zbrown:

I'm looking to build a fairly low cost media center taht will run mythtv. Would anyone have any recommendations for/against a sempron vs a celeron or visa versa?

[18:57:43]

directhex:

blootube-wide less than neon-wide and pretty much the same as minimalist-wide?

[18:57:45]

directhex:

jeesus

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juski:

janneg: that's quite a saving, and I still win :D

[18:58:02]

juski:

directhex: no

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directhex:

wait, that was blootubelite-wide

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** directhex powers down, switches his desktop to a bigger hard disk **

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janneg:

yeah, but it's now sane

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juski:

whee found a nice free joystick image with the right licence sttribs

[19:02:08]

simcop2387-tv:

anyone ever have mplayer skip forward really fast on the video and then pause while the audio catches up?

[19:05:41]

ajh:

Ok, xdpyinfo says I have XVideo support but Myth says I don't.

[19:06:38]

juski:

oh gawd. I sit down to hammer some themeing out & I feel like chain smoking

[19:07:09]

ajh:

nanosleep({0, 1000000}, *** glibc detected *** mythtv: free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x09db8e88 ***

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ajh:

That's what the guide is dying on though.

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juski:

since when has making changes to theme.xml not taken effect?

[19:12:10]

tzanger:

http://www.pastebin.ca/510082

[19:12:13]

tzanger:

you guys might like that

[19:12:19]

juski:

restarted mythfrontend, no change. wiped the themecache.. no change.. wth?!

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juski:

lol tzanger nice one

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** gpd contemplates writing a module to display text files in mythtv – recipes being the obvious usage **

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gpd:

I don't suppose anyone has started such a project?

[19:17:10]

juski:

oh ffs! I've changed theme.xml but nothing is changing!!!!

[19:17:29]

juski:

gpd: mythrecipe already exists as an unofficial, unmaintainted plugin

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gpd:

juski: nice nice ... /me googles

[19:18:17]

juski:

oh come on mythfrontend! gimme an effing break!

[19:18:23]

juski:

please!

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juski:

I've changed graphics from tv.png to game.png just to test cos I don't have mythgame installed.. and it's not playing ball

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jay1:

when choosing the music section on myth then going to all music what controls that?

[19:24:15]

jay1:

meaning what tells it where to look?

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juski:

which directory you mean?

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juski:

utils/setup > setup > media settings > music > general

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jay1:

well im looking at it on a media extender

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jay1:

says MythTV AV Media Server

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jay1:

choose that

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jay1:

then go to music

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jay1:

all music

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jay1:

says "Content not Available"

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jay1:

yet it works fine from myth media player

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juski:

maybe your media extender isn't mythtv compatible yet, or vice-versa

[19:27:13]

jay1:

its supposed to be its on the wiki as working

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jay1:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/UPnPClientInfo

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juski:

rm watermark/*setting.png

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jay1:

very first piece of hardware listed

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juski:

dunno then. I've never got music streaming to work either. TV recording yes, not music

[19:32:18]

jay1:

how do i upgraded to trunk version?

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gpd:

hmm. to make this mythrecipe module I need to install 52 dev packages :(

[19:32:46]

gpd:

don't suppose anyone has a binary?

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juski:

jay1: depends on your distro

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jay1:

ubuntu

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jay1:

feisty

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juski:

on ubuntu I just do sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins

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juski:

then install the svn client, and do a checkout of the latest using the instructions at svn.mythtv.org

[19:35:11]

juski:

./configure, make, sudo make install

[19:35:18]

juski:

bingo

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J-e-f-f-A-work:

jay1: I don't think the music support for upnp is fully operational yet.

[19:35:28]

gbee:

jay1: nothing on that wiki page says that music works

[19:35:57]

gbee:

jay1: but if you wait a few minutes, I'm asking the guy who should know

[19:37:59]

gbee:

right – answer is that is should work, but may have been broken by a recent commit

[19:38:36]

jay1:

it shows me the music folder but wont show anything inside it

[19:38:41]

jay1:

damn

[19:39:06]

jay1:

i need a upnp linux solution.. windows is a waste on this stuff

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gbee:

what version are you using?

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J-e-f-f-A-work:

jay1: Yeah, I was talking with (one of?) the upnp authours, and it was working, but somewhere a path got changed or something, and it's broken atm.

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gnome42:

gbee: 11M reduction in size and noticeable startup speedup for the frontend here with a third party theme, with #3500 applied. Very nice indeed!

[19:40:06]

J-e-f-f-A-work:

jay1: I have used Twonky before, works pretty good.

[19:40:10]

juski:

startup speedups too? heeeeero!

[19:40:20]

jay1:

Jeff cost $$$

[19:40:21]

jay1:

:)

[19:40:28]

J-e-f-f-A-work:

jay1: (It's not free though.)

[19:40:33]

J-e-f-f-A-work:

jay1: Yeah... I know...

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juski:

I thought all winders software was free... cough!

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jay1:

hah

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J-e-f-f-A-work:

juski: runs on Linux too...

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juski:

I paid for Sony Vegas & DVD architect.. cost an arm & a leg.

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jay1:

damn no choice then. until this works gotta do winders :(

[19:41:40]

J-e-f-f-A-work:

juski: I had it on my NSLU2 and my buffalo NAS server...

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gbee:

11M? Huh ... well I said it would vary :)

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juski:

gnome42: how dare you not use a juski theme. pfft. no help for you then

[19:42:04]

juski:

:-P

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gnome42:

yeah, i choose this theme for low resource usage :)

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gbee:

11Mb is nothing compared to 160Mb, but still it's an improvement

[19:42:25]

juski:

they're all gonna have lower resource usage soon

[19:42:47]

juski:

I imagine even blootube-wide at 720x576 will be an option in under 2GB ram soon

[19:42:58]

juski:

muhahaha

[19:42:59]

gnome42:

yeah, its smaller but still, I love getting my memory back!

[19:43:07]

juski:

then I will own you all

[19:43:35]

J-e-f-f-A-work:

juski: I was thinking of building a new HD frontend — will 4GB ram do for your themes? ;-)

[19:44:00]

juski:

J-e-f-f-A-work: only blootube-wide is the ram-hog

[19:44:07]

juski:

the others are much lighter

[19:44:28]

sphery:

gnome42: Were you talking about #3506?

[19:44:35]

J-e-f-f-A-work:

juski: You do nice work btw... ;-)

[19:44:42]

gbee:

jay1: I'm going to look into it, I can't easily test because I don't have a UPnP device but I should be able to spot any obvious problems in the code

[19:44:45]

juski:

I just discovered I have loads of images in projectgrayhem-wide I don't even use ffs

[19:44:47]

sphery:

I don't see how #3500 could help...

[19:44:50]

gbee:

you need to be using SVN head though

[19:44:56]

juski:

gbee: not even an eeksbocks?

[19:44:58]

gnome42:

gbee: yep, sure was! sorry

[19:45:12]

sphery:

Just wondered. THanks.

[19:45:25]

a5benwillis:

Anyone know what happened to the diff file for myhtweather???

[19:45:26]

a5benwillis:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3327

[19:45:49]

sphery:

Has anyone gotten UPnP working with the XBox 360?

[19:45:57]

gnome42:

oh, sphery ... :)

[19:45:59]

gbee:

juski: not a 360, I've got an original xbox lying around :)

[19:46:22]

sphery:

Just wondered. I saw CDev mention the 360 in a couple of commits, but I couldn't figure it out...

[19:46:37]

sphery:

Didn't know if I was clueless or if the 360 is... :)

[19:47:06]

juski:

gbee: XBMC has a upnp-ish client

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janneg:

blootube-wide is at 1080p fine with 2G

[19:48:12]

gbee:

a5benwillis: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/raw-attachment/tic . . . weather.diff

[19:48:43]

janneg:

only 530M, with patched svn even 1G should be enough

[19:48:56]

J-e-f-f-A-work:

a5benwillis: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/raw-attachment/tic . . . weather.diff

[19:49:02]

J-e-f-f-A-work:

oops.

[19:49:30]

gbee:

janneg: should be, I had it at 1280x800 here with just 1Gb

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gbee:

with patch, I've got room to spare :)

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janneg:

in the case you missed it

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sphery:

I figure I should be able to knock out the flag in about 4 hours...

[19:52:07]

gbee:

janneg: thanks :D

[19:52:46]

juski:

sphery: what's the problem exactly?

[19:52:56]

sphery:

The guy behind the mouse...

[19:52:58]

sphery:

:)

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jay1:

has upnp worked in previous releases

[19:53:12]

sphery:

I'll get it. I really have /no/ artistic talent.

[19:53:13]

jay1:

maybe i can downgrade

[19:53:26]

juski:

sphery: lemme launch my webshoppe & get these damn theme updates out of the way & I'll see what I can do

[19:53:26]

Grecko:

Hey all. Getting a segfault when firing up mythfrontend on a widescreen – is this a currently known bug? A config issue maybe?

[19:53:38]

Dibblah:

Yup.

[19:53:44]

sphery:

juski: You don't have to. I realize you have a lot going on.

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Dibblah:

Grecko: You're running a packaged SVN version?

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gbee:

Grecko: not a bug that I know about

[19:54:25]

Grecko:

Dibblah: Yes

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Grecko:

Dibblah: 0.20.20060828–3

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juski:

time for some friday night teevee

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sphery:

juski: But I wouldn't mind some input on what I have so far... I could send you the GIMP image I have (has layers for turning on/off each part) or can export some PNG's...

[19:55:40]

gbee:

feck, decided to print out Janneg's figures for later reference but the stupid thing decided to print the entire irc history – only managed to get to the printer off switch after 10 pages

[19:55:55]

Dibblah:

Grecko: Section "ServerFlags" Option "RandR" "off" EndSection

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Dibblah:

In your xorg.conf

[19:56:22]

Dibblah:

Someone packaged out an untested patch.

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gbee:

fools

[19:56:36]

Dibblah:

Wait. 2006?

[19:56:43]

Grecko:

Dibblah: What does RandR stand for?

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gbee:

Resize and Rotate – adjusts the screen resolution

[19:57:42]

Grecko:

Ah

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gbee:

never known a case where it has actually rotated anything – but either historically or as a little used feature it will do that

[19:58:52]

Dibblah:

Rotate pretty much requires hardware support.

[19:59:00]

Dibblah:

Can be useful for tablets, etc.

[19:59:00]

Grecko:

Interesting.

[19:59:21]

gbee:

should more accurately be called Resize & Refresh since those are the two things it's used for most

[19:59:35]

Dibblah:

However, if it's an old package, then it's not the issue I'm thinking of.

[19:59:49]

Beirdo:

any directhex in the house tonight?

[20:00:10]

gbee:

0.20.20060828–3 is pretty old, even for -fixes

[20:02:07]

janneg:

gbee: isn't that mythtv's internal version string? I think even current -fixes still uses it

[20:02:26]

Grecko:

Thats the version string printed out in the log file right before the segfault.

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[20:02:39]

Beirdo:

hmmm

[20:02:50]

Beirdo:

nss-ldap is bein SLOOOOW

[20:02:53]

Beirdo:

I don't get it

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Dibblah:

Grecko: Is this a new install, update, or what?

[20:03:30]

gbee:

janneg: took it to be the packaging date, but if it's the lib api version then it might not be so old after all

[20:03:58]

gbee:

Grecko: mythfrontend --version

[20:04:08]

gbee:

although that version information is next to useless

[20:04:28]

Dibblah:

Better than it used to be ;)

[20:04:38]

Grecko:

Dibblah: Its been installed for a while, first time trying it with this screen setup

[20:04:42]

janneg:

unless it's compiled from a svn repo

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Dibblah:

Ah. Heh.

[20:04:53]

Dibblah:

That's nasty.

[20:05:11]

Dibblah:

Looks like you're actually coming up against the bug we were trying to fix.

[20:05:24]

Grecko:

It works fine with a res of 1280x1024, but when I use the LCD at 1650x1050 or whatever it is, it segfaults

[20:05:27]

Dibblah:

I assume your display _doesn't_ have XRandR support?

[20:05:36]

Grecko:

Dibblah: How would I tell?

[20:05:50]

Dibblah:

Yup. XRandR may be disabled if the res is too high?

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Dibblah:

xvinfo

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Dibblah:

I think.

[20:07:18]

Dibblah:

No – Maybe not.

[20:07:43]

Dibblah:

xrandr -q

[20:07:49]

Dibblah:

Oh, heh.

[20:08:16]

Dibblah:

xrandr segfaults _in exactly the same way_ that Myth does, if xrandr is not present.

[20:08:40]

Dibblah:

ie their little status program thing.

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Grecko:

Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".

[20:12:09]

Grecko:

RandR extension missing

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Grecko:

Doesn't segfault

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ajh:

Fixing xorg.conf fixed my issue. I do have channel issues though, could someone on bev who could help with a channel scan issue send me a msg.

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jimbalaya_:

my system time is 3 minutes fast ... i know how to reset it with the date command, but i'm wondering if there's anything else, myth-specific, that i have to do afterwards

[20:59:55]

gbee:

no

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Anduin:

jimbalaya_: may want to set ntpd up eventually

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jimbalaya_:

...might as well do that now

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ajh:

Anyone here use dvb-s who could give me a quick hand?

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juski:

hm.. now where was I?

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ajh:

Cause really I should be off planning the Linux Symposium network, not messing with this :_

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Kruzayn:

ive got a little problem if anyone can help. Ive been using mythtv for about 2 months now, with zap2it. Few days ago all my guide info says unknown, any ideas how i can get it to update?

[21:09:42]

juski:

about 2 months? maybe 3 months or more? sounds like you need to do the survey thing & activate your subscription

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zambaroo:

juice ski

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Kruzayn:

hmm ill check it :)

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jimbalaya_:

thanks for the suggestion, Anduin ... that worked perfectly

[21:11:52]

Kruzayn:

logged into zap2it and its not asking for a survey

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Grecko:

Kruzayn: Did you get an email saying your subscription was about to end?

[21:12:39]

Kruzayn:

no, online it says i have just over 1 month left

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Kruzayn:

i read online someone suggested re-running mythtv-setup and removing the guide and readding it...but im a mythnoob, how do i access a xterm from mythfrontend (front and back are on same box)

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Kruzayn:

well...how would i go about getting to be able to re-run myth-setup

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juski:

Kruzayn: run mythtv-setup from a terminal

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zambaroo:

so i wanted to buy a card w/an encoder, which one would i be going after/

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RaYmAn-Bx:

analog? then Hauppauge PVR-150 or PVR-500

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zambaroo:

dollars even

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xris:

expensive

[21:46:05]

zambaroo:

xris, that was my opinion as well

[21:46:19]

xris:

almost/about twice what it should be

[21:46:28]

zambaroo:

what about these kworld cards? some of them have a nice feature set

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xris:

not a clue. if you want analog tv, the pvr-150 is the best option

[21:46:57]

xris:

or a usb-based encoder (hauppauge or plextor)

[21:47:14]

Kruzayn:

juski: how do i get to a terminal from frontend (im a mythnoob=( )

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hads:

Open one

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xris:

Kruzayn: depends on which window manager you're using

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xris:

alt-f2 works in gnome, and probably in xfce

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Kruzayn:

thanks ill give it a try

[21:48:01]

xris:

then you type "xterm" or "gnome-terminal" or whatever term you want.

[21:48:15]

xris:

(has nothing to do with myth)

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Kruzayn:

yea i have only used linux a few times so im struggling :)

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Cardoe:

anyone know what table I'd have to tweak to insert a "fake" recorded program?

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hads:

I'd imagine one that starts with record

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Cardoe:

right. recorded.. but any other tables is more what I meant

[21:52:36]

hads:

I guess the only way to be sure would be to read the backend code that records a program.

[21:53:02]

zambaroo:

guys im about to install a base system for mythtv, should i stick to 32bit, or would 64bit be more beneficial?

[21:53:02]

GreyFoxx:

If you are just inserting arecording entry recorded is all you need

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gbee:

Cardoe: recorded is enough

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Cardoe:

gbee: thx

[21:53:48]

Cardoe:

been getting double free's killing my backend after leaving it running for ~ week lately.

[21:53:50]

gbee:

extra data is stored in recordedprogram, recordedcredits and one other – but it's not required

[21:54:02]

Cardoe:

been having to copy the shows from my friend with MythTV boxes

[21:54:35]

Cardoe:

haven't had time to figure out what's causing it. :/

[21:55:24]

gbee:

Cardoe: if you want to insert those recordings that you've copied, then there is a contrib script which will do just that

[21:55:33]

Cardoe:

perfect

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xris:

Cardoe: quite a few, actually. but look at the 'manual recording" stuff in mythweb.

[21:57:17]

xris:

oh, fake recorded, not fake new

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** xris needs to pay attention to work OR irc, not both. **

[22:00:13]

gbee:

myth.rebuilddatabase.pl iirc is the one you want, it examines your recordings directory and will prompt you for information on those recordings which aren't already in the database

[22:00:20]

Cardoe:

xris: yeah the only issue with the manual is that his channels don't match up with mine.

[22:00:43]

Cardoe:

he's got ABC HD from his cable provider

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gbee:

FAQ could use a couple of additions, such as "What card should should I use?"

[22:04:15]

zambaroo:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/Search.do?c=1& . . . 0&go.y=0

[22:04:21]

zambaroo:

speaking of 'which card'

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Kruzayn:

ok mind blank...if mythtv backend isnt running, is it ctrl f3 or..

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zambaroo:

which one should i use? :)

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gbee:

zambaroo: what for? Analogue?

[22:05:42]

zambaroo:

yep. the 150?

[22:05:58]

zambaroo:

i do get kpbs hd from my cable provider though.

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Kruzayn:

wahoo i got it to work agian. Thanks all for the help

[22:06:16]

zambaroo:

would be nice to have that channel, they play rock concerts and such.

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mikeones:

hello

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mikeones:

mythweb + svn + ffmpeg = mythtv at work ;-)

[22:07:35]

mikeones:

awsome

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Xanium4332:

hi all

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Cardoe:

any official word on what to do with mythweather?

[22:08:14]

gbee:

150 is a good, reliable card for capture or analogue – there isn't afaik (and I don't know much) a card yet which will capture HD resolutions

[22:09:25]

gbee:

Cardoe: no, things ground to a halt over mythweather licensing

[22:09:57]

gbee:

there were a couple of other options, but everyone's been busy in the last month

[22:11:09]

Xanium4332:

gbee: whats the problem with the licencing

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JoeyJoeJo:

I can play most of my mp3's in mythmusic, but some give me this error: DecoderMAD: Failed to open input. Error 5. My other frontend can play them all.

[22:13:03]

gbee:

Xanium4332: basically use of weather.com means placing links and weather.com logos on the pages – for a start it's not clear how mythtv would "link" to a webpage and whether we can fit all the required stuff into the space available

[22:14:03]

JoeyJoeJo:

no, I'll try that

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Xanium4332:

gbee: is it just a trademark/copyright problem, or a terms of use that weather.com enforces

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gbee:

Xanium4332: well both – they own copyright on the radar images and also the formatting of the data, the terms of use of the website also apply

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Xanium4332:

hmm

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gbee:

in the UK at least you can't copyright facts – such as the weather, but you can copright the way it is presented and formated e.g. Radar imagery

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Xanium4332:

is there anyway of getting hold of the data without any presentation, like an xml file mapping the weather (somehow)

[22:17:54]

Xanium4332:

thinking about it, I guess not

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Xanium4332:

no open source weather stations then :P

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gbee:

I'm sure when everyone has a bit more time we'll come up with an acceptable solution

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Cardoe:

Scuzzle: does it break other machines?

[22:23:59]

Cardoe:

gbee: you look at the Gentoo MythTV bugs right?

[22:24:41]

Kevorkian:

anyone ever look into using noaa weather info ?

[22:25:27]

Cardoe:

Kevorkian: only works for US no?

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hads:

NOAA = US

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Kevorkian:

while its a us org .. the data they have is world wde.

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gbee:

Cardoe: I occassionally look at a few distro bug trackers for things which need to be reported upstream etc – I don't use Gentoo so I've no particular bias

[22:26:24]

Xanium4332:

is there a mythtv-netflix compatable website for the uk?

[22:26:38]

Cardoe:

Well I forget who the MythTV dev is that comments on all the Gentoo bugs..

[22:26:54]

Cardoe:

gbee: either way.. you know who dblain is?

[22:26:54]

Xanium4332:

cause I really like the idea, just don't want to move to the US to use it!

[22:26:55]

gbee:

Cardoe: think I've commented on a couple

[22:27:02]

gbee:

Cardoe: CDev

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gbee:

Cardoe: UPnP dev

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hads:

Kevorkian: It doesn't seem to be very detailed out side of the US

[22:27:25]

Cardoe:

gbee: k

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Cardoe:

I need to get myself a UPnP device..

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Xanium4332:

Cardoe: HD or SD

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Kevorkian:

yea .. us americans .. only caring about if our picnics are gona get rained on.

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Kevorkian:

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/xml/index.php

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gbee:

he's lurking in #mythtv at the moment, but today is his daughter's birthday so he's a little busy

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Cardoe:

Xanium4332: well I record HD and SD...

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Cardoe:

but for now it'd need to convert HD to SD...

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Xanium4332:

Got any devices in mind?

[22:29:03]

Cardoe:

But probably an HD compatible one at some point.

[22:29:09]

Cardoe:

No. I haven't looked into it at all

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Cardoe:

my buddy has a aver linkplayer 2

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Cardoe:

or whatever it is

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Xanium4332:

trouble is I never think they're quite as good as myth

[22:29:44]

Xanium4332:

and integration won't be *perfect*

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gbee:

Kevorkian: mythweather-revamp already uses NOAA

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Kevorkian:

ahh .. Cool.

[22:30:11]

Cardoe:

Xanium4332: I really don't want a full PC in the bedroom

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Xanium4332:

Cardoe: yeah I know what you mean

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Kevorkian:

and yea .. it looks like the only real data for outside the us is storm info.

[22:31:08]

Xanium4332:

kevorkian: and at least in the UK we don't get very many 'storms'

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Kevorkian:

and even then .. just the major stuff .. like . OMG YOUR GONA DIE type things

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Xanium4332:

lol

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hads:

Exactly, so not really useful as a default worldwide source.

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Xanium4332:

'if your reading this message then it's already too late'

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Xanium4332:

Can just imagine reading that message in mythweather

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Kevorkian:

yea .. if your reading this .. you should be in teh basement not on a dam computer..

[22:33:47]

Kevorkian:

it does look like you can get pretty much all of NA sat pics .. at least.

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Scuzzle:

Cardoe: Sorry was away, it shouldn't break any other clients from what I understand, but I don't have access to the full DLNA specs. so not sure, maybe if I read some more stuff on uPNP... It would be useful if someone could test it on a different client, I don't really have any others available.

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Kevorkian:

even a lot of SA also .. http://www.goes.noaa.gov/FULLDISK/GEVS.JPG

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Xanium4332:

isn't it something like $500 just for the technical info on DLNA

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Kevorkian:

upnp is a strange idea to me .. you put a firewall/nat device in to protect things .. then you allow things to open holes it in when they want to.

[22:35:58]

Scuzzle:

So it says on their website, yes.

[22:36:22]

Kevorkian:

like .. if you trusted the unit to know what its doing .. why "protect it" in the first place.

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Xanium4332:

Kevorkian: I don't think thats the only use, at least I don't think UPnP media clients punch holes through firewalls

[22:36:57]

Scuzzle:

It does lots of other useful stuff apart from knocking holes in firewalls. The firewall stuff I don't use. :)

[22:37:17]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, firewalls also keeps things from comming in from the outside

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Xanium4332:

The firewall thing never seemed to work for me either

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Kevorkian:

Right .. and there is allready rondevious for that stuff ..

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, allowing internal apps to request access for outside things going in isn't /that/ bad

[22:37:47]

Scuzzle:

As far as 'why' to knock a hole in your firewall using uPNP. It allows for servers to allocate on demand incoming connection paths.

[22:37:51]

Kevorkian:

or however you spell that stupid french word

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, UPnP was way before rondevious

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Xanium4332:

kevorkian: isn't that for services to announce themselves on a network

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Kevorkian:

RIGHT Scuzzle .. but if you trusted that device in the first place .. then why have a FW.

[22:38:26]

Xanium4332:

making it easier to find them

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kormoc:

Xanium4332, aye, which is what UPnP media servers typically do

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, cause I only want to allow incomming aim video sessions when I'm accepting one?

[22:39:02]

Kevorkian:

then thats a fw rule.

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Scuzzle:

Firewalls are *most* useful for protecting you from the outside world. It's the outside world you trust less, not your own servers... in general... :o

[22:39:17]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, how does my firewall know that I clicked accept on the aim chat button?

[22:39:20]

Xanium4332:

kevorkian: an example is say for bittorrent clients. They can ask for a port forward to a computer behind NAT, allowing bittorrent to work properly

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, the entire idea is the port is only allowed when it's needed, and gone when it's not without the user having to twiddle config files every time

[22:39:58]

Kevorkian:

kormoc, whats to stop a malious program from asking for a hole ?

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Kevorkian:

thats my point.

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, none, that's a different problem tho

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Xanium4332:

kevorkian: I don't know, seems a bit floored

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, if you can't trust your network, then you shouldn't use UPnP

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Scuzzle:

Nothing stops a malicious inside program, but that's not the problem it's trying to solve.

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Xanium4332:

I think generally software on your LAN is considered safe

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** Kevorkian points to a default install of XP **

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Scuzzle:

But, the uPNP stuff we're talking about is AV and not the firewall stuff. :)

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** Xanium4332 shudders **

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, tho, you can set up UPnP routers to only allow forwarding on certain ports so a malicious program would have to know what ports to request anyway

[22:41:39]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, I only run linux at home :P

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hads:

Yeah. I trust my LAN, I wouldn't trust one with Windows hosts on it :)

[22:42:37]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, azarus is one very common app that supports UPnP reqesting of firewall port forwards out of the box

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, and there are plenty more

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Xanium4332:

azureus*

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Kevorkian:

right it requests it ..

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Scuzzle:

I take it that there's noone else here with a PS3 willing to try my patch?

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Kevorkian:

now if the router just lets that happen ..because thats the "default" .. anyother app c an also request it ..

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kormoc:

now granted, I don't use it or allow it, but it doesn't strike me as a bad idea for my family members

[22:43:45]

Scuzzle:

Hmm, 'patch' is maybe a little generous, 'hack' might be better.

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, like I said, if you have a untrusted program inside the lan, it doesn't matter, it'll do it's damnage with or without upnp

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Kevorkian:

and a firewall can limit that.. but allowing said program to open holes itself , removes the protections the firewall could have provided.

[22:45:06]

Xanium4332:

kormoc: you can limit damage to the outside world using outgoing firewall rules. There's a couple of examples with say trojans (or other related programs) calling home

[22:45:13]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, not really, unless you want to firewall off say port 80 outgoing access

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Kevorkian:

but it will not allow incomming connections ..

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kormoc:

Xanium4332, I'm assuming he's talking bout a 'new' one that antivirus wouldn't pick up, same with firewall rules

[22:45:38]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, doesn't matter

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, the program can call home and get instructions, firewall or not

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Kevorkian:

right . now picture a non centralized worm.

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Xanium4332:

kormoc: You know XP machines these days :P

[22:46:35]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, UPnP doesn't help a bad program get inside, once it's inside, it doesn't matter at that point

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Kevorkian:

but once one is inside .. it can open all the holes for others to get indside.

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, so? or it can just http request them and run them, firewall or not

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, once you have one baddy, it really doesn't matter

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Kevorkian:

im just saying .. I dont understand .. from a security standpoint .. in allowing a program to modify firewall rules by itself.

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kormoc:

cause it doesn't hurt for most people

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** Kevorkian shrugs. **

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kormoc:

my mom for example, allowing her aim client to poke a hole for video chat isn't a problem

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Kevorkian:

remeber .. most people run xp .. or vista.

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kormoc:

cause if she had to do it, she'd just disable the firewall to get it to work

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kormoc:

thus it's better to let the apps handle it and have some protection then none at all

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Kevorkian:

now whats so bad about having the firewall rules state that it will only allow incomming connections IF the inside client started that connection. and from teh ip that it sent to. ?

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, cause that doesnt' work with all protocols

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, video chat is a direct connection not routed via aim's servers

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Xanium4332:

kevorkian: cause say for bittorrent connections need to be initiated from the outside as well

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Xanium4332:

otherwise no new connections can be started

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hads:

Circular conversation detected

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Kevorkian:

all of them examples can be defined by rules. to limit the exposure.

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, also if I go to a website and ti trys to connect to port 80 back, I don't want to allow that in...

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Kevorkian:

yea hads

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, but again, the typical person won't/can't write those rules...

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Kevorkian:

im not saying .. SIMPLE rules like that ..

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, so it's a case of, some protection or none, and you would perfer none?

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Xanium4332:

kormoc: the tcp connections are tracked so that can't happen

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kormoc:

Xanium4332, his stated rule would allow it tho

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Kevorkian:

perhaps in the wording I used. yes .. but that was just a simple statment.

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kormoc:

this is why having non-techy people write firewall rules is a bad idea, as a single bad rule can do as much harm as having none at all

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** Xanium4332 requests UPnP to open all ports to my pc **

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Kevorkian:

thats what im saying Xanium4332 .. the default in upnp would allow any program to doo that .

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, sure, but the program needs to be *inside* already...

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Kevorkian:

and in all home routers ive seen .. its all or nothing.

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, that's not true at all

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Xanium4332:

kevorkian: Yeh I know, I don't really like UPnP, and it's never worked properly for me, but for media systems it seems quite good

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, both actiontec and linksys support rather advanced routing rules via UPnP

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, typically with aim's video chat the UPnP request only allows a connect to one port from one ip address once and then is removed, I think that's a very good way to do it, and again a rule that the typical person won't write

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Kevorkian:

kormoc, ummm .. my statment was "in all home routers ive seen" .. no way you can dispute the validity of that statment. .. but anyway .. linksys does ?? not in this wrt54g I have here.

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** kormoc peers at his wrt54g he has at home that supports some nice upnp stuff **

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Kevorkian:

out of the box ?

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kormoc:

yuppies

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Kevorkian:

it has a butting that says .. ON or OFF

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Kevorkian:

thats it

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kormoc:

under application settings you can set if it's upnp able or not

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Kevorkian:

I can not tell it to never allow a connection from a box .. or limit what connections can happen.

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kormoc:

for each defined application

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Xanium4332:

one thing I do give UPnP is it's ability to do it on the fly, even with DHCP based ip assignments. My PC gets it's ip dynamically, and unless I specify i my router to give me the same IP, I have to change the firewall rules to point to my new IP. With UPnP when I open up Azureus (say for bittorrent) it'll autoamtically get the ports open to my pc

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kormoc:

Xanium4332, I really like my actiontec, it has a built-in dns server, so I do rules based on dhcp requested hostname and they follow the ip :)

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Kevorkian:

under apps and gaming .. in the wrt .. I see no upnp things ?

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Xanium4332:

yeh I have a linksys wrt54g running linux, but I can't get iptables to work with hostnames

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Kevorkian:

simpel forwards .. port triggering.

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, when you go to the details on a application, there should be a button akin to 'Allow UPnP Control' or the like

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Kevorkian:

app is a text field like a description .. start .. end .. udp/tcp .. addie to forward to .. and enable ..

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Kevorkian:

no pnp .. or details

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kormoc:

huh, what firmware version?

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Kevorkian:

1

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Kevorkian:

as of last year .. it was the latests ..

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Kevorkian:

this is one of the newer ones also .. it cant run linux

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kormoc:

I'll have to poke at mine at home, cause it's just a little button on the details popup screen

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kormoc:

huh, mine is a older one

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kormoc:

they might have done something wonky then :/

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Kevorkian:

perhaps .. this is a "cisco"

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kormoc:

mine is hardware version 1.1 I believe

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Kevorkian:

my hw version is liek 5 or something ..

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kormoc:

icky...

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Kevorkian:

its the first of the "new" gen .. where it wont run linux ..

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Kevorkian:

wich pissed me off when I got it .. but thats another story all together.

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Xanium4332:

there's a wrt54gl, which is guaranteed to run linux

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Kevorkian:

can you even buy them anymore ??

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Xanium4332:

which version?

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Kevorkian:

I thought linksys stoped that .. cause people were bitching that they didnt wana release the code.

[23:02:20]

Xanium4332:

I got hold of one fairly recently

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hads:

The WRT54GL is available for those that want to run non-Linksys firmware

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Xanium4332:

it came with a sticker saying it contains open source software!

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Xanium4332:

Mine's not actually a wrt54g, it's something like wrt54slgs

[23:03:16]

Xanium4332:

or something

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Xanium4332:

that has a usb port

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Kevorkian:

I dont keep up on that .. if I wanted to putz around with my fw / router .. i would run bsd on this cobalt.

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hads:

DDWRT is pretty good

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Xanium4332:

not any more

[23:04:05]

Xanium4332:

DDWRT licencing has gone off the wall

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hads:

Really?

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Xanium4332:

it's better to just get openwrt with the Xwrt extension

[23:04:28]

Xanium4332:

good gui

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Xanium4332:

but GPL

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Kevorkian:

anyone know were I can look at the nat rules for this thing ?? .. I KNOW it does some prety funky shit with nat

[23:05:38]

Xanium4332:

hads: Yeah recently I read an article on it, with the next version it's no longer GPL, at least your gonna have to pay for _something_ (don't know exactly what)

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Kevorkian:

like for h323 .. it will reach inside the data packet and change ips .. in teh data part.

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hads:

Xanium4332: Sounds strange. Got a link?

[23:06:08]

Xanium4332:

hads: I'll try and find it

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Xanium4332:

1min

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Xanium4332:

http://digg.com/linux_unix/DD_WRT_Sliding_dow . . . l_Digg_users

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Xanium4332:

thats the digg link, click the article for more

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Xanium4332:

2/3rds down, the yellow highlighted sections...

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hads:

Ug

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Kevorkian:

if he can seprate the code he wrote .. from the base stuff .. he can do that

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Xanium4332:

yeh, but I still don't like his attitude

[23:10:23]

Xanium4332:

the 'special edition' is what gets me

[23:11:13]

hads:

Yeah, that's not so hot.

[23:11:33]

Xanium4332:

still, it's his problem cause I use openwrt now

[23:11:59]

Kevorkian:

where is he ?

[23:12:05]

Xanium4332:

who?

[23:12:05]

hads:

I might look at taking it off mine

[23:12:21]

Kevorkian:

brainsork

[23:12:27]

Kevorkian:

or whwtever he calls himself

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Xanium4332:

openwrt + Wrt + webif (squared)

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Xanium4332:

thats what I use

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Xanium4332:

full gui

[23:12:51]

Xanium4332:

no problems

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Xanium4332:

aaah it's past my bedtime, and I need to revise for GCSEs tomorrow

[23:15:48]

Xanium4332:

gtg

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Kevorkian:

have fun

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Xanium4332:

if only I cud take a GCSE in mythtv

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Xanium4332:

A*

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Xanium4332:

anyway

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Xanium4332:

bye

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: I just turned the system on from last night, went into the BIOS and disabled a bunch of stuff including APCI and now myth is working.

[23:35:39]

Tanthrix:

Not sure if it's a coincidence or not, going to start re-enabling things now to narrow it down.

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: Yep, that was unquestionably it. Restored to defaults, booted, didn't work. Disabled the high precision timer, booted, worked.

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