Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, May 24th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

[00:00:10]

hads:

(if it's Debian based)

[00:01:11]

JoeyJoeJo:

it is, thanks

[00:09:29]

randall:

can mythweb be ran on a seprate box then on the myth server?

[00:09:39]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[00:10:41]

randall:

well then it should be easy to do

[00:10:46]

randall:

thank you for your help

[00:12:36]

Scopeuk (Scopeuk!n=Scope@dyn200034.shef.ac.uk) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[00:15:02]

kash:

i can't get that to work :(

[00:19:45]

psofa (psofa!n=psofa@ppp43-102.adsl.forthnet.gr) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:29:41]

randall:

kash: ?

[00:29:44]

randall:

mythweb?

[00:29:49]

kash:

yeah

[00:29:54]

kash:

i can't get it to work on a seperate box

[00:30:37]

JoeyJoeJo:

on a remote frontend whenever I try to watch live or recorded tv, mythfrontend outputs this message: RingBuffer::RingBuffer(): Failed to open remote file

[00:31:03]

JoeyJoeJo:

On the screen it just flashes to a black screen for a second and then drops me back out to the menu

[00:33:05]

kash:

did you mount the files locally

[00:33:54]

JoeyJoeJo:

I didn't think I needed to. Won't they be read off of my backend and played on the frontend with the myth protocol?

[00:34:23]

kash:

not unless you choose for them to be streamed automagically

[00:34:55]

JoeyJoeJo:

ah.. Is that in mythtv-setup or under utilities/setup?

[00:35:07]

kash:

utilities

[00:35:14]

kash:

in tv playback, i assume

[00:36:18]

daMaestro (daMaestro!n=jon@fedora/damaestro) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:36:37]

knowledgejunkie (knowledgejunkie!n=knowledg@unaffiliated/knowledgejunkie) has quit ("Leaving...")

[00:43:59]

directhex (directhex!n=directhe@bb-87-82-5-35.ukonline.co.uk) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[00:49:08]

macala (macala!n=macala@user-10cm9aa.cable.mindspring.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:52:44]

Tanthrix (Tanthrix!n=tanthrix@c-71-56-144-82.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit ()

[00:53:35]

czth_ (czth_!i=dbrobins@nat/microsoft/x-4e01ce6c518a6478) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:56:07]

randall:

I hope they add a trandcode option in mythweb

[00:57:53]

GreyFoxx:

kash: No, if the file isn;t availble lcoally myth will automatically stream with the mythprotocol. There is no setting for it

[01:02:24]

GreyFoxx:

randall: How do you mean? Just tell myth to transcode a recording from mythweb ?

[01:02:29]

GreyFoxx:

It can do that in SVN

[01:02:55]

GreyFoxx:

You can enable a transcode jobe or commercial flagging from the recording details screen (the same one you can flash stream the show through)

[01:03:04]

QuadForce (QuadForce!n=chatzill@71-12-10-224.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:07:48]

QuadForce:

I'm trying to rip a dvd using mythdvd... i have the disc in the drive, but it just says "No jobs. Checking and/or waiting for DVD. anyone got an idea?

[01:08:24]

zambaboo (zambaboo!n=greg@user-10cm3vb.cable.mindspring.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:08:28]

zambaboo:

hey guys

[01:08:51]

zambaboo:

any ideas as to why i am seeing a white square in my mythtvweb streaming thingie?

[01:09:04]

zambaboo:

its a flash component, it just doesnt work..

[01:09:13]

kormoc:

install a better flash player?

[01:09:39]

czth__ (czth__!i=dbrobins@nat/microsoft/x-e8f7dbc8460050d3) has quit (Connection timed out)

[01:09:56]

geoffeg:

So I figured out why mythfrontend is eating 12% of my CPU when it's idle.. it's calling gettimeofday a few hundred times a second

[01:09:58]

a5benwillis:

QuadForce: I dunno but Im sure someone here can help. Thats an important feature.

[01:10:18]

zambaboo:

kormoc, mm 9 is the latest, right

[01:10:44]

kormoc:

zambaboo, what browser?

[01:10:58]

zambaboo:

firefox

[01:11:13]

kormoc:

version? can you watch youtube/googlevideo fine?

[01:11:17]

zambaboo:

yep

[01:11:51]

kormoc:

https?

[01:12:02]

zambaboo:

what about ssl?

[01:12:17]

kormoc:

are you running it secure or not?

[01:12:24]

zambaboo:

'it'? the streaming?

[01:12:28]

kormoc:

mythweb

[01:12:39]

a5benwillis:

QuadForce: What kind of disk do you have in the drive?

[01:12:47]

a5benwillis:

a commercial DVD?

[01:12:50]

QuadForce:

yes

[01:12:54]

zambaboo:

kormoc, oh. no. http

[01:13:41]

a5benwillis:

I wonder if you have to install something to allow Ubuntu to read protected content? Anyone know?

[01:14:07]

kormoc:

zambaboo, no idea then, you have something screwy. check your apache error logs

[01:14:26]

zambaboo:

error log just shows gets to that file

[01:14:33]

zuralin (zuralin!n=zuralin@pool-71-126-30-55.bflony.east.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:15:13]

kormoc:

and if you open that file directly in your webbrowser, does it pull down content?

[01:15:28]

zambaboo:

interesting question

[01:16:19]

macala (macala!n=macala@user-10cm9aa.cable.mindspring.com) has quit ("Computer goes to sleep!")

[01:16:31]

a5benwillis:

kormoc: Do you use mythdvd?

[01:17:00]

zuralin:

This might be more of an ivtv related question but I'm having a hard time figuring out why I am not getting any audio when playing livetv. I have a Hauppauge PVR250. No errors in dmesg

[01:17:12]

zuralin:

All the audio options are unmuted

[01:17:16]

zuralin:

Any ideas?

[01:18:08]

zuralin:

I have a 3.5mm jack in the cards line in jack that splits off to the audio outputs of my directv receiver

[01:19:22]

zuralin:

Audio plays fine in mythvideo

[01:21:18]

_stokes:

anyone ever had experience with external inclosures and storing from mythtv?

[01:21:47]

QuadForce:

whereis xorg

[01:21:50]

QuadForce:

err

[01:21:52]

QuadForce:

wrong win

[01:24:27]

randall:

GreyFoxx: yeah, just tell it to manual transcode from mythweb

[01:30:35]

kormoc:

_stokes, as long as it's fast enough, no issues to be had

[01:30:43]

kormoc:

a5benwillis, not really

[01:31:03]

_stokes:

kormoc: it'll be over usb2.0

[01:31:14]

_stokes:

using software raid 5

[01:31:39]

koffein (koffein!n=aik@gtso-4db585d8.pool.einsundeins.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:32:10]

_stokes:

kormoc: thinking mainly performance to the disks

[01:33:36]

kash:

GreyFoxx: there's a setting called 'always stream from backend'

[01:34:09]

kash:

a5benwillis

[01:34:19]

kash:

use libdvdread

[01:35:11]

a5benwillis:

ah ok

[01:35:30]

kash:

and libdvdcss

[01:35:50]

GreyFoxx:

kash: yes, that setting will force the frontendto always use the protocol, but you don't have to enable anything for the use of the protocol to be available.

[01:36:05]

_stokes:

kormoc : sounds good to me too :)

[01:36:16]

kash:

GreyFoxx: ah, k

[01:36:52]

GreyFoxx:

well, t looks like my iptv lockup issues only happen after an iptv recording has finished.

[01:37:10]

GreyFoxx:

until the first one finishes I can start many of them. As soon as one finishes the next one kills everything

[01:37:52]

JoeyJoeJo:

yup

[01:37:54]

kash:

JoeyJoeJo: did you get your recordings to play?

[01:37:59]

JoeyJoeJo:

kash: yup

[01:38:05]

kash:

ok, what was the issue? :)

[01:38:06]

hads:

Do you have permission?

[01:38:28]

hads:

you as in the user running mythfrontend

[01:38:29]

JoeyJoeJo:

kash: I had my IP address set incorrectly in the general settings

[01:38:42]

kash:

JoeyJoeJo: could you pastebin your 'dmesg'

[01:38:48]

kash:

all of it

[01:39:10]

JoeyJoeJo:

hads: the user is in the cdrom group, and I even did a chmod 777 /dev/hdd, but that still didn't fix it

[01:39:14]

JoeyJoeJo:

I'll pastebin it

[01:39:29]

kash:

grazi.

[01:39:36]

hads:

Are you tring to play encrypted disks?

[01:40:43]

kash:

JoeyJoeJo: while you're at it, install libdvdcss and try again (still paste the dmesg please)

[01:40:51]

JoeyJoeJo:

http://pastebin.ca/506536

[01:41:08]

JoeyJoeJo:

hads: I assume it's encrypted

[01:41:30]

hads:

And do you have the nessecary library to decrypt them?

[01:41:31]

kash:

hdd: SAMSUNG CDRW/DVD SM-352N, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive <- so it is at hdd

[01:41:41]

kash:

JoeyJoeJo: do you have css installed?

[01:41:55]

JoeyJoeJo:

I haven't installed it.. does knoppmyth come with it?

[01:41:56]

someninjamaster (someninjamaster!n=jamesric@c-68-53-159-99.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:42:02]

hads:

No idea.

[01:42:03]

kash:

i doubt it. let me ask.

[01:42:13]

JoeyJoeJo:

I tried to apt-get install libdvdcss, but it didn't find the package

[01:42:26]

kash:

just download the source and install it

[01:42:30]

JoeyJoeJo:

ok

[01:42:42]

kash:

20:41:16 < kash> hi guys. does KM come with libdvdcss?

[01:42:42]

kash:

20:41:34 < rdt> no. absolutely not!

[01:42:45]

kash:

there's your answer :)

[01:43:50]

JoeyJoeJo:

makes sense

[01:44:26]

kash:

yes, it is considered illegal in the USA and that's where KM is from. so go to http://developers.videolan.org/libdvdcss/ to get it

[01:49:05]

zambaboo:

hm, guys i can watch live tv using xawtv but mythfrontend shows me static :/

[01:49:09]

a5benwillis:

kash: Ok, installed that now I get an error runnin mtd

[01:49:11]

a5benwillis:

"*** libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in ifo_read.c:1417 ***

[01:49:11]

a5benwillis:

*** for c_adt->cell_adr_table[i].cell_id > 0 ***

[01:49:11]

a5benwillis:

"

[01:50:28]

JoeyJoeJo:

kash: ok, that worked.. thanks

[01:51:13]

kash:

a5benwillis: i dunno man.. i don't rip dvds with mythdvd

[01:53:59]

zambaboo:

i used scantv to scan for channels so that xawtv works, and it looks like mythtv doesnt scan right..

[01:54:40]

zuralin (zuralin!n=zuralin@pool-71-126-30-55.bflony.east.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:57:35]

GreyFoxx:

zambaboo: You in North america? f so , you don't need to scan for channels

[01:57:56]

zambaboo:

i did, w/xawtv

[01:58:07]

zambaboo:

im in the US

[01:58:09]

GreyFoxx:

Myth is not xawtv, you don't need to with myth

[01:58:24]

zambaboo:

so what do i do? rerun the setup?

[01:58:29]

GreyFoxx:

Yes

[01:58:44]

GreyFoxx:

setup the video source, set the frequency type (us-cable I beleive)

[01:58:44]

zambaboo:

and pick the 'populate' option instead of scan?

[01:58:49]

JoeyJoeJo (JoeyJoeJo!n=bwallen@n119s038.bbr1.shentel.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[01:58:52]

GreyFoxx:

setup your zap2it account for listings

[01:58:55]

zambaboo:

did

[01:59:07]

GreyFoxx:

run mythfilldb and then you should be good to go

[01:59:36]

fysa:

ugh. Anyone here using nfsroot?

[01:59:38]

koffein (koffein!n=aik@gtso-4db585d8.pool.einsundeins.de) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[01:59:47]

GreyFoxx:

fysa: All my frontends are nfsrooted

[01:59:48]

fysa:

I updated my kernel and forgot the line to fix my initrd.

[02:00:02]

fysa:

My old initrd has "eth0: link up" before nfs loads..

[02:00:08]

fysa:

the new one doesn't, so NFS fails completely.

[02:00:15]

fysa:

I *think* the initrd is re-setting up eth0

[02:00:34]

fysa:

I get "TCP <something> not available, falling back to udp"

[02:00:54]

GreyFoxx:

I just pass a few lines to my kernel at boot and that does the trick

[02:01:38]

fysa:

that line works fine with the old initrd, but not the new.

[02:01:58]

fysa:

and opensuse was kind enough to nuke my old modules, leaving the old kernel useless. :/

[02:03:12]

fysa:

hmm.

[02:03:22]

fysa:

I wonder if bootp will act any differently than dhcp.

[02:03:43]

Tanthrix:

Hrm...my system rebooted two or three times right after installing new ram, once while moving the system and twice while just running memtest

[02:04:08]

Tanthrix:

Has worked fine after that, including completing memtest...so either I have bad ram or something else funky was going on

[02:04:17]

fysa:

check the temps..

[02:04:32]

fysa:

maybe you have the safety shutdown temp set a little low

[02:05:01]

Tanthrix:

The CPU was fine – I did check that

[02:05:19]

Tanthrix:

The ram did feel pretty damn hot

[02:06:28]

Tanthrix:

I'll run Prime95 all night tonight to make sure things are ok

[02:07:08]

Tanthrix:

My chipset is pretty cranky about ram, so it could be something glitchy with that, even though this ram does meet the voltage and timing requirements of the mobo

[02:07:53]

** Tanthrix promises to never stray from Kingston ValueRam ever again **

[02:08:07]

kash:

i <3 Mushkin

[02:08:23]

zambaboo:

?

[02:08:33]

zambaboo:

oh, mushkin ram.

[02:08:38]

kash:

god damnit, i missed the first half of Lost because i'm a retard.

[02:08:46]

randall (randall!n=randall@c-24-61-25-215.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has quit ("leaving")

[02:08:49]

kash:

shortest way to put it.

[02:09:08]

zambaboo:

lol

[02:10:12]

zambaboo:

haha naked bleeding dude on courtv

[02:10:25]

zambaboo:

six cops holding him down

[02:11:00]

kash:

o_O

[02:11:16]

zambaboo:

i know lol

[02:11:18]

Anduin:

Oh sure, blame yourself rather than create a new lame ticket.

[02:11:47]

kash:

Anduin: talking to me?

[02:12:07]

kali67 (kali67!n=kali67@64-166-248-25.ded.pacbell.net) has quit ()

[02:12:16]

Anduin:

kash: Not really talking, but yes, directed in that direction.

[02:12:46]

kash:

oh

[02:12:47]

zambaboo:

<3 Alton

[02:12:49]

kash:

i don't get it.

[02:12:54]

zambaboo:

llllluuuuuuuuv Alton

[02:13:58]

Tanthrix:

Alright, why do I not have anything in my event log past March...

[02:14:08]

kash:

maybe you disabled logs :p

[02:15:34]

Tanthrix:

Nope, the service is enabled and started.

[02:16:30]

zambaboo:

omg how SLOW

[02:16:36]

zambaboo:

how do i fix that?

[02:16:47]

kash:

slow what..?

[02:16:51]

zambaboo:

DOG slow.. livetv on frontend

[02:16:59]

kash:

what kind of card?

[02:17:04]

hads:

Make some sense and you might get some help.

[02:17:26]

zambaboo:

right, ati tv wonder 200

[02:17:46]

zambaboo:

it skips a ton of frames

[02:17:48]

GreyFoxx:

What kind of CPU ? IS the backend/frontend ?

[02:18:04]

kash:

maybe because that's a framegrabber, and they require a shiteload of CPU power

[02:18:09]

zambaboo:

back/frontend same machine

[02:18:20]

GreyFoxx:

zambaboo: What kind of processor ?

[02:18:22]

zambaboo:

yeah it's a via samuel-2

[02:18:28]

zambaboo:

700mhz

[02:18:32]

GreyFoxx:

That's why

[02:18:51]

GreyFoxx:

All tv is encoded/recorded including LiveTV (hence why you can pause and rewind livetv)

[02:19:02]

GreyFoxx:

and since you are using a framegrabber the encoding must be done in software

[02:19:07]

trend (trend!n=trend@97-81-64-18.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:19:08]

trend:

hello

[02:19:24]

zambaboo:

GreyFoxx, oh i see.

[02:19:50]

zambaboo:

do i get a better card, better cpu, or use something other than the framegrabber?

[02:19:56]

trend:

how can I watch realtime tv on my laptop wirelessly from my linux box that has the tv tuner?

[02:20:06]

kash:

zambaboo: you will probably need to disable starting commflagging when the recording starts so your recordings don't skip, too.

[02:20:15]

GreyFoxx:

zambaboo: Both honestly

[02:20:25]

zambaboo:

you mean all three, GreyFoxx :)

[02:20:27]

kash:

zambaboo: it will be doable, but you need to lower the bitrates of your recording profiles.

[02:20:29]

GreyFoxx:

yeah :)

[02:20:36]

kormoc:

trend, run a frontend on the laptop

[02:20:53]

zambaboo:

i wonder if adding a better video card would help..

[02:21:02]

zambaboo:

because this one here is an onboard.

[02:21:03]

trend:

well.. the problem is.. I don't have mythtv on the linux server :/ I could never get it working

[02:21:15]

zambaboo:

oy

[02:21:16]

zambaboo:

lol

[02:21:24]

trend:

so now I just cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg

[02:21:26]

zambaboo:

he has bigger problems than me :)

[02:21:28]

trend:

and watch later

[02:21:38]

kormoc:

trend, uhh, well, given this is a channel about myth, we're not really gonna be the place for generic help

[02:21:38]

zambaboo:

oh you can cron it huh.

[02:21:46]

trend:

yeah, i cron it

[02:21:58]

kormoc:

(ignoring the broken mpeg files it gives out...)

[02:22:01]

zambaboo:

he's got crontv

[02:23:15]

trend:

yup :)

[02:23:27]

trend:

I am thinking I will just open a port and cat it to that port

[02:23:35]

trend:

heh.. not sure if netcat is up for it :)

[02:26:58]

zambaboo:

hm, i quit frontend, stopped backend and the sound stilllllllcommmmmmmesouuuutofthe speakersssss

[02:27:29]

GreyFoxx:

zambaboo: Your mixer settings aren't setup correctly :)

[02:27:31]

kash:

zambaboo: ok, first, stop spamming the channel. second, go into alsamixer and mute your mic input.

[02:27:53]

GreyFoxx:

there is a part of the mythtv.org docs that detail what you need to do for that

[02:27:53]

zambaboo:

it is muted.

[02:28:08]

kash:

i mean line input

[02:28:16]

zambaboo:

should i read the sound troubleshooting section?

[02:28:20]

trend (trend!n=trend@97-81-64-18.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com) has left #mythtv-users ()

[02:28:20]

zambaboo:

yeah muted as wekk,

[02:28:56]

zambaboo:

actually, the speakers are connected to the tuner

[02:29:07]

kash:

....

[02:29:13]

zambaboo:

what?

[02:29:26]

kash:

you shouldn't do that. that means there's no auto-muting.

[02:29:31]

zambaboo:

oh.

[02:29:39]

kash:

and also means that your recordings won't have audio.

[02:29:51]

** zambaboo gasps **

[02:30:07]

kash:

do you drink a lot?

[02:30:12]

zambaboo:

at times.

[02:30:36]

zambaboo:

but srsly, the card has a little cable with it, do i patch from the card to line in on the soundcard?

[02:30:41]

kash:

yes

[02:31:01]

zambaboo:

okay i see, now this is making sense

[02:31:23]

fysa:

aha, I think i figured it out.

[02:31:27]

fysa:

mkinitrd -D eth0

[02:34:09]

zambaboo:

hm. myth is supposed to mute the linein chan automagically?

[02:35:17]

kash:

it doesn't mute it nor unmute it. capture inputs are special; audio can be grabbed from them even when you can't hear it. all it does, is grabs the audio, encodes it to mp3, muxes it to the recording, and then outputs it via PCM

[02:35:19]

kormoc:

zambaboo, no

[02:36:16]

kash:

ok, afk, watching Lost.

[02:36:17]

zambaboo:

that is, if the pci audio works ok and the audio controller on the tuner is detected by alsa.

[02:37:37]

geoffeg:

How do I get ubuntu to set/get the right resolutions for my LCD 720p HDTV for xorg.conf?

[02:38:21]

zambaboo:

what card?

[02:38:37]

zambaboo:

xorg -configure should generate a working file for you

[02:38:38]

geoffeg:

nvidia geforce fx 5900

[02:39:44]

zambaboo:

does the nvidia app work with it?

[02:39:53]

zambaboo:

i know that it's a bit unhappy with older cards

[02:40:06]

geoffeg:

what nvidia app?

[02:40:21]

zambaboo:

ubuntu has an nvidia app that helps set things up nicely

[02:40:29]

geoffeg:

know the name?

[02:40:35]

zambaboo:

nvidia-something

[02:40:43]

Tanthrix:

nvidia-settings

[02:40:45]

kormoc:

and by ubuntu has you mean nvidia ships the app with their driver

[02:40:47]

zambaboo:

sorry, i have it on my work laptop, which i left at work.

[02:40:56]

geoffeg:

i thought nvidia-settings required X

[02:41:05]

zambaboo:

yes it does

[02:41:20]

geoffeg:

see, i don't have X right now

[02:41:21]

geoffeg:

:)

[02:41:22]

zambaboo:

so xorg -configure for a working x and then finetune with nvidia app

[02:41:33]

zambaboo:

[yah i realize that :) ]

[02:42:33]

geoffeg:

yay! thanks zambaboo!

[02:42:43]

geoffeg:

awesomeness

[02:42:56]

zambaboo:

ok so this is interesting, mythtv-setup shows 'None' for audio device in the capture card config

[02:43:02]

kormoc:

nvidia-xconfig is the util nvidia ships to configure X automatically

[02:43:04]

zambaboo:

geoffeg, yvw :)

[02:43:44]

geoffeg:

nice app too

[02:43:45]

zambaboo:

oh yeah, if you install the drv from source, it offers to run that app

[02:43:52]

QuadForce (QuadForce!n=chatzill@71-12-10-224.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[02:44:23]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=hox@dsl-hkigw2-fe1ede00-55.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[02:44:24]

zambaboo:

geoffeg, aint it though? it detects my 20" lcd at work and lets me do xinerama in a breeze.

[02:45:06]

geoffeg:

nvidia++

[02:47:18]

geoffeg:

no need for all these google web searches :)

[02:47:40]

tank-man (tank-man!i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[02:47:59]

zambaboo:

i am thinking about converting my windows gaming machine into a pvr. has an ati x1600 in it.

[02:48:17]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=hox@dsl-hkigw2-fe1ede00-55.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:50:33]

zambaboo:

see the worst thing about this whole pvr building business is that i used to have a ton of server grade hardware which i gradually gave away. and now i could use it all.

[02:50:36]

kash:

no go. ATI sucks.

[02:50:44]

zambaboo:

kash, not recommended?

[02:50:47]

kash:

not at all

[02:51:17]

kash:

hm. maybe i should replace the motherboard in my future sbe.. bbl

[03:03:29]

thufir007 (thufir007!n=thufir@S01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:05:35]

zambaboo (zambaboo!n=greg@user-10cm3vb.cable.mindspring.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[03:17:00]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc) has quit ()

[03:21:22]

chuk (chuk!n=chuk@c-71-235-1-107.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:35:56]

tank-man (tank-man!i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:52:50]

kash:

i can't figure out if Juliet purposely set-up Charlie.

[03:53:27]

Dagmar:

omg no!

[03:55:31]

kash:

?

[03:56:49]

Tanthrix (Tanthrix!n=tanthrix@c-71-56-144-82.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:57:29]

Tanthrix:

Whoever invented the LGA775 heat sink mount system needs to be shot in the face

[03:57:54]

kash:

and the 478B

[03:57:55]

clever:

lol

[03:58:12]

kash:

ok, lost again

[03:58:13]

** kash afk **

[04:03:27]

fysa:

GreyFoxx, you around?

[04:04:04]

Tanthrix:

I'm serious, I literally want that engineer to die. Everytime I have to seat one of these things I feel like I'm going to snap the motherboard in half

[04:04:19]

fysa:

do it.

[04:04:33]

fysa:

and upload it to youtube.

[04:04:38]

GhostFreeman:

yes

[04:05:53]

fysa:

GreyFoxx: if you see this, I'm curious if you have all of your PXE clients sharing the same root.

[04:05:53]

kash:

and dailymotion

[04:06:01]

Tanthrix:

Nah, I think I'll just bury my rage

[04:06:12]

fysa:

bummer.

[04:06:27]

fysa:

I've got $5 via paypal towards it if you do.

[04:06:45]

Tanthrix:

But seriously, who would design something like this? A simple screw down system would be 8000x better than this crazy "push the plastic tabs in then the wedge down until your motherboard is bending and you hear the click"

[04:08:35]

Dagmar:

Because people f*ck up with the screwdriver and mount the support posts in the wrong place and short the board, etc etc

[04:09:34]

jshaffer (jshaffer!n=john@tx-71-48-166-227.dyn.embarqhsd.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[04:09:54]

fysa:

Yeah, you definitely don't want to let people use a screwdriver near a motherboard.

[04:10:00]

fysa:

myself included.

[04:10:02]

Dagmar:

Not newbies anyway

[04:10:14]

fysa:

I like having a beer or two while I break everything.

[04:10:45]

Dagmar:

I used to drink a little so I woulnd't wind up with all my cables tied up like a bondage fanatic

[04:10:54]

Dagmar:

...cuz that takes way too long

[04:11:25]

Dagmar:

Now i just buy the power supplies wot have the mesh around the wires and say the hell with the rest

[04:11:27]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: I meant having screw posts attached to the motherboard, then permanent screws on the heat sinks. Not just making holes and using support posts on the case.

[04:11:34]

Dagmar:

SATA cables look like toys anyway

[04:11:58]

fysa:

haha

[04:12:03]

Dagmar:

If you put the support posts on the motherboard, then the case would STILL Have to match up to all the holes

[04:12:16]

Dagmar:

At least with things as they are now, one case can handle just about anything of the right size

[04:13:02]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:13:02]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v kormoc

[04:13:14]

Tanthrix:

It would be no different than now, since mobos still use support ports / screws to mount.

[04:13:22]

Tanthrix:

posts*

[04:13:29]

fysa:

You could have some sort of plunger-action that mushrooms out a piece at the end of supports built-into the motherboard.

[04:13:38]

Dagmar:

It would for motherboard manufacturers

[04:13:51]

Dagmar:

There'd be (conservatively speaking) six more pieces to break off

[04:14:21]

Tanthrix:

Overtightening would probably be an issue for stupid people.

[04:14:30]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, a lot of cases now have a plate for the mobo to mount to so no more posts needed

[04:14:42]

Tanthrix:

True

[04:19:18]

wobbly (wobbly!n=wobbleye@c-24-17-247-190.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:26:26]

fysa:

GreyFoxx: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Diskless_Frontend & ndash; is this your doing?

[04:30:17]

kash:

fucking hell, i hate season finales.

[04:31:03]

kormoc:

so don't watch them

[04:31:10]

Tanthrix:

kormoc beat me to it.

[04:31:15]

kash:

but then the second-to-last episode is like a finale

[04:31:20]

Tanthrix:

Then don't watch that.

[04:31:28]

kormoc:

rinse and repeat

[04:31:35]

kash:

i just don't like how i have to wait for an entire year to see the next episode

[04:31:37]

Tanthrix:

Or better yet, don't watch stupid gimicky shows like Lost that make up for their lack of good writing with never ending cliffhangers ;)

[04:32:08]

kormoc:

kash, so record them but don't watch till you have the entire set! :P

[04:32:13]

kash:

:p

[04:32:17]

kash:

yeah, 12 years later!

[04:34:33]

Tanthrix:

I watched two episodes of "Heroes" then I realized it was yet another plotless cliffhanger based show, so I bailed before I got hooked

[04:34:48]

fysa:

You only watched the first two episodes?

[04:35:07]

kormoc:

I like Heros, will likely buy the DVD's

[04:35:17]

kash:

how could you possibly know that by only watching two episodes?

[04:35:19]

Tanthrix:

They're like drugs – they manipulate you into watching by having never ending cliffhangers so you just HAVE to know what happens on the next episode! (Which often gets answered in the first 2 minutes of the next show)

[04:35:28]

Tanthrix:

I just got the feeling

[04:35:40]

fysa:

if so, ouch. it really isn't like that at all — Heroes actually rewards you with excellent content and story each episode.

[04:35:58]

Tanthrix:

Seemed a little silly to me as well, so I just wasn't getting into it

[04:36:12]

Tanthrix:

Sorry to offend anyone's favorite show ;)

[04:36:20]

fysa:

eh, I don't really care. your loss.

[04:36:31]

fysa:

the first few episodes of any show rarely accurately depict the rest of the run.

[04:36:45]

fysa:

but to me, it's the anti-Lost.

[04:37:14]

kash:

i'll wait until 20 seasons of Heroes are out, then i'll buy all the seasons and watch them in one night.

[04:37:19]

kash:

timeshifting ftw.

[04:37:24]

Tanthrix:

I tend to regard all prime time stuff as junk. If everyone like something too often it's heard mentality, so I just stay away as a kind of checksum

[04:37:30]

fysa:

you watch the next episode to see what happens next with the characters most of the time, not because you're strung along by the dangling carrot.

[04:37:33]

Tanthrix:

Good idea sometimes, not others

[04:37:51]

fysa:

.. :P

[04:38:07]

kash:

so you don't watch the news because everyone does?

[04:38:44]

Tanthrix:

I don't watch local news which is contentless infotainment garbage, nor Fox news for the same reason

[04:38:45]

kormoc:

Mmm... Boston Legal, House, Heros, Scrubs...

[04:38:59]

fysa:

Purposely avoiding something because it's mainstream is the new meta-mainstream.

[04:39:11]

kash:

Tanthrix: you don't watch much tv, do you..

[04:39:15]

Tanthrix:

(And I was exaggerating for the record – I'm not some kind of rebel without a cause that gets off on avoiding anything popular)

[04:39:24]

fysa:

You're putting just as little thought into the process as the people watching everything mainstream.

[04:40:10]

fysa:

Like anything, the real diamonds need to be discovered.. but you have to put up with a certain amount of crap to get there. It's just a matter of improving your ratio.

[04:40:37]

Tanthrix:

See, the thing is, I already have enough shows that I enjoy that I don't feel the need to go wading through all the garbage on TV looking for new stuff

[04:40:39]

fysa:

that's why Myth is such a beautiful thing.

[04:40:58]

fysa:

just out of curiousity, could you give an example?

[04:41:15]

kash:

he watches teletubbies.

[04:41:21]

Tanthrix:

Doctor Who

[04:41:36]

kash:

Tanthrix: ok, now give an example that doesn't suck

[04:41:40]

fysa:

haha

[04:42:12]

kash:

Tanthrix: i know just as many people that are addicted to Dr. Who as are to Lost. it's a children's programme.

[04:42:12]

kormoc:

Harsh...

[04:42:46]

Tanthrix:

I have better things to do than get into a pissing match about TV shows – I tend to avoid prime time stuff since a) it often just isn't my thing and b) more often than not it's some rehash of another show

[04:43:06]

kash:

doctor who is a primetime show.

[04:43:09]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, only comment I have is Dr. Who. is a prime time show

[04:43:09]

Tanthrix:

And TV is not my life, so I am perfectly happy living without watching Heroes, as good as it may be

[04:43:11]

** kormoc shrugs **

[04:43:26]

Tanthrix:

True enough! (Though, not for me it isn't)

[04:43:44]

Pogonip (Pogonip!n=chatzill@208-106-7-96.dynamic.calweb.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:44:52]

Tanthrix:

I suppose instead of prime time I should have said US network stuff (ABC, CBS, NBC, etc..) which is what I was thinking of with regards to Lost and Heroes

[04:46:00]

Tanthrix:

Right now I watch a lot of PBS (Rick Steves, NOVA, Globetrekker, Frontline, etc..,) Daily Show / Colbert Report, South Park, a few adult swim shows, and my show that I love to watch yet have serious problems with: BSG

[04:46:32]

Tanthrix:

So, I guess you could say that watching BSG and (up until recently) Stargate fulfills my silly TV needs ;)

[04:46:49]

Tanthrix:

(Though there really is no comparison between BSG and Stargate as of the last few seasons)

[04:47:36]

Tanthrix:

fysa: In any case, if you think Heroes is the anti-Lost I might see about watching it if I have the time

[04:48:03]

kormoc:

Honestly Boston Legal and House and Scrubs are all much much better then Heros

[04:48:14]

mIRCat:

You won't have worry about that Tanthrix for another 7 months >.<

[04:48:20]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[04:49:28]

Tanthrix:

kormoc: Never seen any of those actually. I guess I am a bit out of touch these days with the network stuff

[04:49:45]

Tanthrix:

So maybe I should shut up about most network stuff sucking ;)

[04:50:45]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, seen firefly? :P

[04:50:54]

Tanthrix:

One of my favorite shows

[04:51:04]

kormoc:

that was a prime time fox show :)

[04:51:25]

Tanthrix:

Oh, you're right aren't you! I caught it a long time after on DVD

[04:51:25]

kormoc:

now granted fox was brain dead and got rid of it... but the point still stands

[04:51:40]

Tanthrix:

You have to admit that, considering that it's Fox, that was a huge fluke ;)

[04:51:50]

** kormoc laughs **

[04:52:14]

kormoc:

arrested development was another fluke that was grand

[04:52:36]

kormoc:

although that was one huge story arc that was crazy silly, it was a great show

[04:53:12]

Tanthrix:

I think in general I just don't like huge story arcs unless I have all the episodes in my possession

[04:54:02]

Tanthrix:

Well, my new mythbox is all built. Ready to turn it on – I'm nervous!

[04:54:08]

kormoc:

I tend to gather up a pile of shows before watching, then I always have a few extras there for me to watch whenever, so I'm not slave to the gotta watch bug

[04:54:30]

Tanthrix:

yah

[05:05:36]

Tronic (Tronic!i=tronic@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe30fa00-139.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[05:05:40]

Tronic (Tronic!i=tronic@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe30fa00-139.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:13:42]

sandeen (sandeen!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[05:15:18]

sandeen (sandeen!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has joined #Mythtv-users

[05:18:52]

kash:

another good show was Get Smart

[05:22:16]

** Beirdo is now setting up xen on his Athlon file server :) **

[05:24:48]

Dagmar:

Hrm... I wish we had global font definitions in the theme

[05:25:26]

wobbly (wobbly!n=wobbleye@c-24-17-247-190.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[05:31:43]

mike01:

where can i find a dvb-t listing for the us

[05:32:01]

Agrajag-:

i didn't think the US has dvb-t

[05:32:03]

mike01:

in /usr/local/share/dvb/scan/dvb-t$ they are all for foreign countries

[05:32:22]

kormoc:

the us doesn't have dvb-t

[05:32:24]

mike01:

while how do i get my ati hdtv wonder card to work with OTA HDTV signals

[05:32:38]

kormoc:

that would need to be a atsc tuner

[05:32:39]

mike01:

or how do i setup a channel.conf

[05:32:47]

mike01:

atsc is over the air?

[05:32:52]

kormoc:

in the us, yes

[05:33:04]

mike01:

ahhh ok think i found it

[05:34:26]

mike01:

scanning atsc

[05:34:26]

mike01:

ERROR: initial tuning failed

[05:34:47]

mike01:

is there an error log or something with dvbscan that will tell me why it failed?

[05:39:16]

mike3_ (mike3_!i=niter3@tweakin.com.ar) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[05:42:10]

xris (xris!n=xris@xris.forevermore.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:42:10]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris

[05:43:29]

Reiver2003 (Reiver2003!n=medontwa@c-24-18-39-190.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[05:43:29]

goregutz (goregutz!i=goregutz@65.196.39.99) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[05:43:40]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v Captain_Murdoch

[05:48:57]

morphius_:

I am trying to set up a myth tv setup with a bt878 setup, but am getting very tinny, low grade audio. I seem to remember something about adjusting the recording quality to fix this, but have been googling around for about 45 min and havn't found reference to it and though someone might be able to point me in the right direction rather quickly.

[05:49:23]

morphius_:

Anyone have any clues for me?

[05:53:15]

xris:

morphius_: if you're using btaudio, that's probably just the quality of the card

[05:54:03]

anykey_:

morphius_: consider getting a PVR-150 ;-)

[05:54:33]

morphius_:

xris: I'm sure that it's not.

[05:54:50]

morphius_:

I'm positive that it is the quality that myth is recording at.

[05:55:51]

morphius_:

It sounds like 8 bit 8.000 Khz Stereo.

[05:57:30]

xris:

the quality slider should be set to something pretty decent by default.. it's right in the recording profile, a couple of screens past the video settings.

[05:57:53]

xris:

but it's also always 128kbit (pretty sure the slider just tweaks the vbr settings)

[05:59:24]

morphius_:

Ahhh. I think I just found it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Inst . . . e88bdfba11d3

[05:59:27]

otwin (otwin!n=opera@158.64.27.1) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:02:01]

erpo (erpo!n=erpo@75.111.34.37) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:04:26]

xris:

interesting

[06:07:02]

Dave123 (Dave123!i=johndoe@cpe-66-67-131-67.rochester.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:07:07]

Dave123 (Dave123!i=johndoe@cpe-66-67-131-67.rochester.res.rr.com) has quit (K-lined)

[06:07:23]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc) has quit ()

[06:11:26]

erpo:

My desktop machine is a mythtv frontend/backend combined. I just installed mythfrontend on my laptop and configured it to point to my backend server with the proper mysql username and password. When I try to view my media library, it tells me "Could not connect to the master backend server — is it running? Is the IP address set for it in the setup program correct?" Any suggestions? I can use the mysql client program on my laptop to connect to the mysql s

[06:15:33]

HalonChilled (HalonChilled!n=HalonChi@ool-44c7f32f.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:22:22]

Tanthrix:

erpo: Go into mythtv-setup on the backend and make sure the IP is set to the actual address of the computer, not 127.0.0.1

[06:22:37]

erpo:

Tanthrix: I'll give it a try.

[06:23:11]

Tanthrix:

It doesn't automatically detect it, so unless you set it in the db the address is loopback, so when any frontend not on the backend machine tries to connect, it tries to connect to itself instead of the backend machine

[06:24:40]

Tanthrix:

(It's on the first page in general btw)

[06:25:27]

erpo:

Tanthrix: Actually, someone is using the backend so I changed the value with the mysql command line client. It did the trick. Now I have to export the filesystem...

[06:25:51]

Tanthrix:

Good.

[06:28:35]

chickeneater (chickeneater!n=lastlee@unaffiliated/chickeneater) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:34:16]

erpo:

Where do I tell the frontend the place it should look for recordings?

[06:37:40]

Tanthrix:

That gets streamed by the backend, shouldn't have to tell it anything

[06:38:20]

Tanthrix:

Only with MythVideo do you have to use nfs/cifs/smbfs whatever

[06:39:54]

Tanthrix:

That really isn't the preferred way of changing settings

[06:40:52]

LoneShadow (LoneShadow!n=a@c-76-103-55-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit ()

[06:42:36]

erpo:

Tanthrix: Actually, it didn't need a restart, but I figured it out:

[06:43:02]

erpo:

Tanthrix: I needed to set the BackendServerIP, which is the parameter that mythfrontend uses to actually stream the video.

[06:43:04]

KaZeR (KaZeR!n=kazer@224.21.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:45:32]

erpo:

Well, I finally feel like I'm beginning to understand the architecture behind mythtv. Is there any setting that isn't stored in the database?

[06:46:12]

Tanthrix:

Just the mysql.txt file which has the db connection info

[06:46:39]

erpo:

And that's per-frontend, right?

[06:46:55]

Pogonip (Pogonip!n=chatzill@208-106-7-96.dynamic.calweb.com) has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/0000000000]")

[06:47:34]

erpo:

That's pretty cool. The fact that the backend streams video to the frontend using its own protocol really clears up how frontends deal with storage groups: they don't.

[06:48:24]

nupster (nupster!n=nupster@c-75-74-65-243.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:48:25]

erpo:

How good is inter-version compatibility? If I upgrade my backend to SVN trunk to get access to the storage groups feature, will I have to upgrade my frontends to trunk too? Or will a 0.20-fixes frontend be able to connect to a trunk backend?

[06:49:20]

nupster:

Anyone use Firefly's remote I cant get it to work

[06:50:02]

erpo:

nupster: How far have you gotten? What have you tried already?

[06:50:42]

juski (juski!n=juski@spc1-salf3-0-0-cust227.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:50:51]

nupster:

well I read the tutorial and it said to insert a line into rc.local and then I edited my lircrc and restarted the lircd

[06:50:55]

nupster:

and when I go to lrw

[06:50:59]

nupster:

I get no output

[06:51:58]

juski:

irw

[06:52:00]

juski:

not lrw

[06:52:09]

nupster:

yes thats when I mean

[06:52:32]

nupster:

when I start irw I just get a blank line after it

[06:52:35]

nupster:

and nothing else

[06:52:36]

juski:

does it just sit there til you break it with ctrl C or does it just take you back to a prompt?

[06:53:04]

nupster:

sits there

[06:53:04]

nupster:

till control c

[06:53:08]

juski:

prolly means the lirc device driver isn't loaded – or else it's not staying loaded

[06:53:20]

juski:

check dmesg after modprobing the lirc module

[06:54:03]

juski:

irw just sitting there means it's connected to lircd's socket – but nothing will happen if the lirc module isn't passing anything to lircd :)

[06:54:07]

nupster:

modprobe lirc?

[06:54:20]

juski:

whatever lirc module you need

[06:54:28]

nupster:

lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0

[06:54:28]

nupster:

lirc_atiusb[4]: X10 WTI RF receiver on usb1:4

[06:54:29]

juski:

e.g. lirc_serial or whatever

[06:54:52]

juski:

nupster: so does lircd know which device to look at ?

[06:55:02]

juski:

anyway.. this isn't #lirc

[06:55:06]

hads:

modprobe more_reading

[06:55:26]

juski:

I'm bloody sick of folks coming in here with lirc problems :)

[06:55:32]

nupster:

sorry

[06:55:38]

hads:

juski: You guys have DST over there?

[06:55:55]

juski:

hads: yup. never given me any issue with mythtv thankfully

[06:55:58]

juski:

I use NTP

[06:56:29]

hads:

Oh, wasn't thinking about that :) Just wondering if you were 12h behind at the moment or not.

[06:58:20]

juski:

it's almost 8am here

[06:58:24]

nuonguy:

I don't suppose I can plug a Socket 939 Athlon 64 into a Socket AM2 motherboard, can I?

[06:58:40]

juski:

nupster: you could maybe do it, but it wouldn't work!

[06:58:47]

hads:

juski: Ah yep, 7pm here

[06:58:53]

juski:

939 != AM2

[06:59:08]

hads:

heh, odd that.

[06:59:15]

nuonguy:

I just got a nice new motherboard and a nice new CPU

[06:59:18]

juski:

I know FA about new socket types but I know that much!

[06:59:27]

juski:

All of this consulting with the dev list isn't actually getting the site redesigned, is it?

[06:59:29]

juski:

And FWIW, there haven't been any mockups yet I'd like to see replace the current .org site – no – not even mine.

[06:59:34]

juski:

Just get on with it – stop consulting all & sundry & get the job done.

[06:59:35]

juski:

oops!

[06:59:44]

nuonguy:

the manual says it supports Socket AM2 but the help site says I need a new BIOS for 65nm CPY

[07:00:48]

juski:

ah well. too late. sent the mail to the dev list. I don't care what they think

[07:01:19]

nuonguy:

er, CPU

[07:01:19]

doc|work:

nuonguy: the AM2 requires DDR2 memory

[07:01:19]

juski:

how anybody could like the look of the naked wireframe guy is beyond me anyway

[07:01:40]

** hads got bored of that thread and stopped reading **

[07:01:44]

doc|work:

if it was a clothed guy, it couldn't really be wireframe, could it? :)

[07:02:46]

juski:

doc|work: rofl

[07:03:34]

nuonguy:

doc|work: which I have

[07:03:34]

juski:

it'd still be mega-sucky though

[07:03:34]

doc|work:

nuonguy: won't work with a socket 939 cpu

[07:03:34]

nuonguy:

right

[07:03:34]

nuonguy:

I'd forgotten about that

[07:03:34]

xris (xris!n=xris@xris.forevermore.net) has quit ("Leaving.")

[07:03:34]

** juski wonders how long the thread will end up & if it'd be the longest most pointless thread in the history of mythtv.org **

[07:03:34]

nuonguy:

I can get a Socket AM2 Sempron 64 for $30 from newegg

[07:03:35]

juski:

er.. how could anybody not realise a socket AM2 wouldn't work with a socket 939 CPU ? they'

[07:03:42]

juski:

they're called different things for a reason

[07:03:45]

nuonguy:

I might do that just to get the board to boot, then I can upgrade the BIOS and then reinstall the brisbane

[07:04:18]

hads:

Brisbane?

[07:05:02]

hads:

City in Australia?

[07:05:02]

nuonguy:

maybe cuz they're living in denial and don't want to hear that it will take longer still to get that shiny new hardware up and running due to an out of date BIOS which renders the machine inoperable with this combo

[07:05:02]

juski:

core codename? I hate these things. just give em numbers

[07:05:04]

nuonguy:

brisbane is the 65nm athlon 64 chip

[07:05:09]

nuonguy:

yes

[07:05:26]

nuonguy:

windsor is the same thing but using the 90nm fab

[07:05:41]

mike01:

on the topic has anyone gotten CnQ to work with linux?

[07:05:43]

nuonguy:

er, well, cache size might be different, I didn't check

[07:05:54]

mike01:

always seems to default to the slowest speed

[07:06:02]

d00gster0 (d00gster0!n=doughant@bas1-toronto12-1128667111.dsl.bell.ca) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[07:06:13]

nuonguy:

mike01: is that the fan speed control stuff?

[07:06:23]

mike01:

its the clock speed control stuff

[07:06:25]

blergit (blergit!n=grimcogs@ppp81-253.lns2.mel3.internode.on.net) has quit (Connection timed out)

[07:06:28]

nuonguy:

ah

[07:06:31]

mike01:

lowers the voltage and speed

[07:06:41]

nuonguy:

the equivelan of speetstep in the intel world?

[07:06:56]

Tanthrix:

Hrm, anyone know if I should disable the IOAPIC function in my bios for linux?

[07:07:06]

doc|work:

mike01: I have it working

[07:07:18]

Tanthrix:

Says "Include ACPI APIC table pointer to RSDT pointer list" for enabled

[07:07:21]

doc|work:

mike01: I just use what's in the kernel and let it regulate itself.

[07:07:21]

mike01:

is there a guide or something to set it up?

[07:07:34]

mike01:

cause i think i should just reboot and disable it

[07:07:37]

doc|work:

mike01: just make sure you have no freq daemons running

[07:07:46]

doc|work:

and support compiled in

[07:08:02]

mike01:

hmmm

[07:08:08]

nuonguy:

freq daemons?

[07:08:16]

mike01:

while i did just get my ati hdtv wonder card working, think that might be enough for tonight

[07:08:52]

nupster:

I cant find any info on this issue?

[07:08:52]

mike01:

yeah time to disable cnq

[07:08:53]

nupster:

:(

[07:08:57]

nupster:

no forums

[07:09:36]

hads:

ug

[07:11:37]

nuonguy:

where can I get a DOS image to flash my machine?

[07:12:07]

Tanthrix:

bootdisk.com as a few last I checked

[07:13:08]

nuonguy:

cool site

[07:13:08]

erpo:

Does LinuxMCE incorporate mythtv?

[07:13:17]

Tanthrix:

So, will I really get that much benefit from using XFS over ext3?

[07:13:27]

Tanthrix:

I don't think I really care that much about deletion speed

[07:13:41]

erpo:

Tanthrix: Mythtv now has a slow deletion option to compensate for ext3's shortcomings.

[07:13:50]

Tanthrix:

Yah, I read that in the faq

[07:14:09]

erpo:

Tanthrix: However, I and others have experienced fewer hitches after switching from ext3 to XFS anyway.

[07:14:27]

juski:

erpo: linuxmce doesn't exist yet. not as such anyway

[07:14:48]

Tanthrix:

erpo: What kind of hitches?

[07:15:00]

nuonguy:

Tanthrix: do you know if I have to boot windows to use the drdflash.exe from bootdisk.com?

[07:15:13]

juski:

nuonguy: use dd instead

[07:16:08]

erpo:

Tanthrix: Better playback performance, at least in my case. The other guy I talked to wasn't specific.

[07:16:13]

juski:

dd if=$imagefilename of=/dev/floppy

[07:16:13]

Tanthrix:

I guess I'll go with it then

[07:16:13]

Tanthrix:

Only thing that makes me think twice is that you can't resize XFS partitions, and norton ghost probably does support it

[07:16:14]

** juski is done editing the wiki to mention only eejits wanna capture RF outputs from cable boxes believing them to output HDTV **

[07:16:16]

nuonguy:

Tanthrix: I've been using ext3 with no problems

[07:16:22]

Tanthrix:

(Was thinking I'd like to make an image of the whole drive once I get everything setup)

[07:16:22]

erpo:

Well, I saw a comparison video of linuxmce and windows mce on the internet, and it looked pretty neat.

[07:16:28]

Tanthrix:

nuonguy: Likewise.

[07:16:37]

juski:

I'd been using ext3 with no problems.. until I had problems

[07:16:39]

erpo:

So I guess beta versions are available. Are those built on mythtv?

[07:16:54]

nuonguy:

juski: the file I'm talking about ends with .exe, it's not a floppy image

[07:17:01]

Tanthrix:

juski: Switched over to XFS?

[07:17:01]

juski:

erpo: it uses mythtv in a roundabout fashion which isn't clear

[07:17:07]

nuonguy:

http://www.bios-info.de/_progs/drdflash.exe

[07:17:08]

juski:

nuonguy: so you'd run the .exe file on a windows pc

[07:17:42]

juski:

when you're making a BIOS flasher I wouldn't take any chances by running it in wine

[07:17:49]

erpo:

juski: Huh. That's...not clear.

[07:17:50]

nuonguy:

you know what we need? A bootable thumdrive that looks like a floppy to DOS

[07:18:15]

nuonguy:

does that exist?

[07:18:15]

juski:

erpo: nobody knows exactly how it uses mythtv – just that it _does_

[07:18:28]

juski:

nuonguy: any thumb/pendrive can be made bootable

[07:18:38]

juski:

if the BIOS supports booting from USB

[07:18:51]

juski:

it'll look like whatever drive you want it to

[07:19:04]

Tanthrix:

juski: Think I should bother switching over to XFS?

[07:19:13]

Tanthrix:

(For my new install)

[07:19:27]

HalonChilled (HalonChilled!n=HalonChi@ool-44c7f32f.dyn.optonline.net) has quit ()

[07:19:29]

juski:

Tanthrix: my receordings partition is a whole drive, so I was never concerned with resizing

[07:19:54]

Tanthrix:

Oh, I'm stupid

[07:20:03]

Tanthrix:

My recordings drive is separate as well

[07:20:11]

Tanthrix:

So this doesn't even matter at all

[07:20:18]

Tanthrix:

Ext3 it is then

[07:20:24]

juski:

xfs or jfs is the general consensus

[07:20:52]

Tanthrix:

I'll just reformat my storage drive as XFS later

[07:21:09]

** nuonguy bookmarks very handy line **

[07:21:10]

juski:

I had ext3 which was fine til the backend started falling over randomly. log output made it look like it was still iobound so I swapped to xfs

[07:21:10]

nuonguy:

THANKS!

[07:21:16]

nuonguy:

er, link

[07:21:19]

Tanthrix:

np

[07:21:24]

Tanthrix:

First hit on google you know ;)

[07:21:30]

Tanthrix:

For "make a dos boot disk in linux"

[07:21:51]

Tanthrix:

Common problem it seems for hardcore folks who don't have windows boxes handy

[07:21:56]

nuonguy:

see, I should start googling with whole sentences, not keywords

[07:22:35]

juski:

e.g. "how do I search for stuff on google?"

[07:22:35]

Tanthrix:

Works quite well sometimes

[07:22:35]

Tanthrix:

But not others

[07:22:35]

nupster:

Ok let me ask a question if when I type irw I get just the next line? what does this mean?

[07:22:37]

** juski sits back & waits for the flames to rise **

[07:22:52]

juski:

nuonguy: it means lirc isn't configured correctly!

[07:23:44]

juski:

lircd has to be configured to listen to the right device!

[07:23:44]

juski:

lircd needs a good lircd.conf file for your remote!

[07:23:44]

juski:

any one of the above can cause irw to not work

[07:23:44]

Tanthrix:

Apparently green is the new blue, my new motherboard has an insanely bright kryptonite-esque look to it

[07:23:44]

Aquahallic (Aquahallic!n=aquaholi@pc-12-187-88.scpe.powergate.ca) has quit (No route to host)

[07:24:23]

nuonguy:

juski: I think you mean to address nupster?

[07:26:16]

jk1joe1 (jk1joe1!i=nobody@ns.jk1.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:26:16]

erpo:

Can I run the frontend in a window?

[07:26:16]

juski:

anyone in the UK see the Liverpool fans stuck at the airport last night? CRYING?! LOL

[07:26:16]

jk1joel (jk1joel!i=nobody@ns.jk1.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[07:26:17]

juski:

erpo: yes you can

[07:26:44]

juski:

you can specify running it in a window, you can specify the size of the window. You cannot resize the window by dragging it

[07:26:47]

erpo:

I've tried searching the web, but I only seem to get hits for MythTV Player for windows. Also, there is no man page for mythfrontend on my system.

[07:26:59]

juski:

erpo: appearance menu in mythfrontend

[07:27:59]

erpo:

juski: Ah, of course. All of the configuration is stored in the database...

[07:28:11]

juski:

muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[07:29:18]

daMaestro (daMaestro!n=jon@fedora/damaestro) has quit ("Leaving")

[07:29:21]

erpo:

??

[07:30:21]

juski:

nm

[07:30:35]

Zider (Zider!i=zider@c-40e9e455.031-30-6e6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[07:30:40]

Zider (Zider!i=zider@c-40e9e455.031-30-6e6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:32:45]

juski:

I could also have said "no shit, sherlock"

[07:34:25]

hads:

There's also command line options for that particular setting.

[07:34:46]

juski:

mythfrontend --help !

[07:34:50]

juski:

awesome!

[07:46:16]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=hox@dsl-hkigw2-fe1ede00-55.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[07:49:31]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=hox@dsl-hkigw2-fe1ede00-55.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:50:15]

erpo:

Does mythfrontend not have a man page, or has my distro left it out?

[07:50:32]

juski:

it has docs, the wiki..

[07:50:35]

juski:

no man page

[07:50:50]

juski:

its command line options are few anyway

[07:52:12]

juski:

ls /usr/share/doc/mythtv or so :-P

[07:52:20]

juski:

RTFW!

[07:56:23]

scopeuk (scopeuk!n=Scope@dyn237157.shef.ac.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:56:47]

** juski hums a song. the song is "last night the wiki saved my life" **

[08:01:44]

erpo (erpo!n=erpo@75.111.34.37) has quit ("Leaving")

[08:03:54]

juski:

thanks!

[08:03:59]

juski:

hey no problem

[08:08:57]

Hugolp:

juski you allright?

[08:08:57]

juski:

lol

[08:08:57]

[1]majesty ([1]majesty!i=majesty@weston-69.65.85.181.myacc.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:09:06]

[1]majesty is now known as majesty

[08:09:20]

Hugolp:

I know

[08:09:36]

nupster:

juski thank you

[08:09:41]

nupster:

I was able to get it to work

[08:09:56]

hads:

Owww

[08:12:31]

juski:

eee I dunno. courtesy, like romance – is dying out

[08:13:01]

juski:

anyway nupster I'm glad for you :)

[08:14:44]

juski:

lirc is prolly the hardest thing to sort out when you're making a mythtv system

[08:16:04]

nupster:

really I can tell

[08:18:22]

** quicksilver writes an IRC trigger to say 'thanks juski' with a 20% chance each time he speaks **

[08:20:00]

nupster:

juski in your imagine which is the best video player to use with mythtv

[08:20:20]

quicksilver:

myth's internal player

[08:20:29]

quicksilver:

then you get a consistent UI, which is handy

[08:20:46]

nupster:

oooh

[08:20:48]

nupster:

ill try it

[08:20:53]

nupster:

xine keeps loading up

[08:21:35]

invader_7_:

hi

[08:22:14]

invader_7_:

can anyone help me ?

[08:22:25]

invader_7_:

i want to know some stuff about mythtv

[08:22:29]

hads:

Someone might be able to.

[08:22:40]

hads:

The default theme is blue

[08:22:49]

hads:

It runs on Linux.

[08:22:56]

blergit (blergit!n=grimcogs@ppp81-253.lns2.mel3.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:23:18]

juski:

invader_7_: just ask!

[08:23:28]

juski:

hads: the default theme is G.A.N.T. actually

[08:23:41]

hads:

Damn, being smart didn't work then :)

[08:24:11]

invader_7_:

i installed mythtv in ubuntu with synaptic... (by the way sorry for my english)

[08:24:35]

invader_7_:

i found one mythtv frontend and one mythtv backend icon

[08:25:00]

invader_7_:

witch one i have to use ? i want to capture from a dvb card and from one tv tuner

[08:25:06]

Tanthrix:

Man, it's taking me less time to setup Arch Linux than it did Mandrake...

[08:25:25]

juski:

invader_7_: find & read the ubuntu community docs for mythtv

[08:25:36]

invader_7_:

kk thanks

[08:25:39]

hads:

Tanthrix: How you finding it?

[08:25:45]

juski:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV

[08:26:13]

juski:

woo the monitor I've had my eye on has come down in price!

[08:26:33]

invader_7_:

thanks

[08:27:40]

juski:

I thought arch was a 'compile everything from scratch' distro

[08:27:50]

hads:

juski: Na, it's binary.

[08:28:01]

juski:

ooo

[08:28:11]

hads:

Kinda like a cross between Gentoo and Slackware. *kinda*

[08:28:12]

Tanthrix:

juski: It's pretty spiffy. That's why I said it was like Gentoo without the silliness

[08:28:26]

juski:

is arch the one whose package manager is called 'pacman' ?

[08:28:29]

Tanthrix:

yes

[08:28:41]

juski:

I think that's cute

[08:28:47]

Tanthrix:

Hehe, it really is.

[08:28:48]

quicksilver:

are the packages called 'pellets'

[08:28:59]

hads:

heh

[08:28:59]

juski:

power pills! muhahaha

[08:29:03]

quicksilver:

and reportbug called 'powerpill' (makes your bugs turn into ghosts)

[08:30:27]

Tanthrix:

Sound is working which is good.

[08:31:38]

Tanthrix:

In fact, everything is working. Perfectly.

[08:31:43]

** Tanthrix waits for the computer to explode **

[08:31:57]

Tanthrix:

Mandriva can officially kiss my ass!

[08:32:13]

Tanthrix:

(Them and there free distro, SOBs)

[08:33:36]

hashbang (hashbang!n=nosuch@cse-ajb.cse.bris.ac.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:37:46]

nupster:

is it normal for the meta data for a xvid to be blank?

[08:39:20]

Dagmar:

If you didn't tell MythVideo anything about it

[08:40:34]

nupster:

well.. forget it

[08:40:43]

nupster:

its a TV show or at least that what its name

[08:40:48]

nupster:

and it only reads movies

[08:41:24]

juski:

nupster: there are scripts for tv.com I think

[08:41:34]

juski:

you can edit the details yourself in mythweb anyway

[08:41:45]

nupster:

NO way

[08:41:49]

nupster:

seriously?

[08:41:53]

nupster:

too cool

[08:42:15]

gardengnome:

morning

[08:42:15]

nupster:

i was actually searching but Im trying to fix this darn playback issue .. the default player doesnt play crap

[08:42:30]

hads:

imdbpy.py can do TV episodes

[08:42:34]

juski:

wait til you see the mythweb coming in 0.21 – oh boy :)

[08:42:38]

juski:

morning gardn

[08:42:46]

juski:

gardengnome :)

[08:42:55]

hads:

evening gardengnome

[08:43:19]

** juski wonders where the case badge guy is **

[08:44:42]

gardengnome:

hm

[08:44:48]

gardengnome:

badger man to the rescue

[08:45:12]

juski:

badger badger badger badger (etc) mushroom mushroom !

[08:46:53]

juski:

gardengnome: my monitor has come down in price. could be a good time to buy it shortly :)

[08:47:11]

Tanthrix:

1080P WMV at 30 percent system load. Rock on.

[08:47:26]

juski:

I think I deserve it for being so totally awesome

[08:48:17]

gardengnome:

juski: nice :)

[08:48:50]

juski:

by the end of the year I could have saved enough to buy.. a laptop!

[08:49:29]

Tanthrix:

And this 1080P h264 file I have is so damn close to working

[08:49:41]

Tanthrix:

With a multi-threaded decoder I'd be in business for sure

[08:49:53]

juski:

Tanthrix: PS are fine AFAIK. it's TS which are the bee-aches

[08:49:54]

Tanthrix:

(Uses about 70–100 percent of one Core on average)

[08:50:50]

Tanthrix:

I'll try a TS, hold on

[08:51:47]

Tanthrix:

Hehe, maxing out at 100 percent straight out

[08:52:14]

juski:

I wonder how hard (and wise) it'd be to set up an e-shop on my server at home

[08:52:36]

hads:

e-shop as in online store?

[08:52:52]

Tanthrix:

Holy jesus, it actually plays around 70 percent with -vfm ffmpeg -lavdopts lowres=1 etc..

[08:53:12]

Tanthrix:

This E4400 is awesome

[08:53:39]

Tanthrix:

(Though, my TS clip is only about 10 seconds long, so I don't know how well that would hold up)

[08:53:49]

Tanthrix:

And by 70 percent I mean 70 percent of one core

[08:54:39]

nupster:

damn this is awesome

[08:54:57]

nipuL:

is it possible to leave livetv mode but keep the current program recording?

[08:55:11]

juski:

nipuL: press R !!

[08:55:14]

juski:

awesome!!!!!!!

[08:55:45]

juski:

also.. R is the 1st letter of "RTFM" by a coincidence

[08:55:55]

hads:

Weird.

[08:56:54]

juski:

also a coincidence is the fact some dvi-i cables have just arrived at my desk. and I'm buting a new monitor soon

[08:57:13]

juski:

*buying

[08:57:16]

juski:

:D

[08:59:03]

Tanthrix:

1080P mpeg2 at 30 percent usage of one core.

[08:59:07]

** Tanthrix shuts up now **

[09:00:03]

juski:

Tanthrix: what CPU?

[09:00:16]

Tanthrix:

E4400, new cheaper Core 2 Duo

[09:00:27]

gardengnome:

bah

[09:00:35]

gardengnome:

"cheap" doesn't get you the chicks

[09:00:41]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[09:01:10]

gardengnome:

unfortunately, i have an E6300 and the GF has an E6600. it just doesn't feel right.

[09:01:11]

juski:

£92.60 – cheap?! pfft!

[09:01:15]

Tanthrix:

From what I could tell from the benchmarks it's only about 5–10 percent behind the 6400

[09:01:28]

Tanthrix:

Well, compare it to the E6400 and it's cheap

[09:01:29]

juski:

gardengnome: her c*ck is bigger than yours!

[09:02:04]

gardengnome:

juski: i think you need a cigarette

[09:02:16]

juski:

gardengnome: I;m just messing witcha

[09:02:25]

gardengnome:

juski: ;)

[09:02:55]

juski:

I know how it feels when a GF earns more than you.. can be bad if she rubs it in

[09:04:02]

juski:

it'll be amazing when I finally upgrade my desktop to a new CPU.. since the slowest thing I can possibly buy now is twice the speed of what I currently use :)

[09:04:25]

Dibblah:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=671147

[09:04:34]

Dibblah:

Err... Sorry. Wrong channel :(

[09:04:58]

hads:

I upgraded from a Athlon XP1500 to a E6300, it made a difference :)

[09:05:26]

Ruleke (Ruleke!n=roelt@mule.trantor.org.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:05:49]

Tanthrix:

Ok, now I'm not happy. Just fast forwared through a 720P h264 file really quick and mplayer locked up

[09:06:03]

juski:

hang on.. athlon 64 dual core 3800, retail.. £53.47 - :-z damn you AMD!

[09:06:07]

Tanthrix:

And my ssh connection froze, and even after restarting sshd it's still frozen

[09:06:19]

gardengnome:

hads: i went from xp 1800+ to E6300. it rocks. :)

[09:06:19]

Tanthrix:

Looks like a CIFS problem

[09:06:30]

Tanthrix:

Core 2 Duo > everything else in the universe

[09:07:09]

juski:

I should buy intel, since I never have

[09:07:16]

hads:

gardengnome: I know, I didn't know what I was missing :)

[09:07:19]

gardengnome:

hads: :)

[09:07:32]

Dibblah:

I had an Intel DX2, so I can't say that. But since then...

[09:07:35]

gardengnome:

hads: i just need to get rid of my IDE devices. feels like they're making the system slow

[09:07:39]

juski:

I always go for the fcking cheapest & end up regretting it

[09:08:03]

Tanthrix:

Bah at samba mounts gone wrong!

[09:09:21]

hads:

gardengnome: Most of my old disks all seemed to die at the same time so I've now got mostly new SATA2 drives.

[09:09:35]

gardengnome:

hads: congratulations ;)

[09:09:48]

juski:

no such thing as sata2 :):)

[09:09:55]

Tanthrix:

Anyone know how to mount windows shares such that when a disconnect or something else happens it doesn't cause problems?

[09:10:04]

Tanthrix:

(ie, unmountable directories, general lockups, etc..)

[09:10:06]

gardengnome:

juski: the GF went for the most expensive and had to return two or three main baords because the USB part failed. *shrug*

[09:10:08]

hads:

gardengnome: heh, yeah, except for the fact that I had to pay for them

[09:10:37]

juski:

gardengnome: I mean in CPUs I always go cheap. tend to do midrange motherboards

[09:10:48]

Ruleke:

juski: yes there is... the name of the org. at the time :)

[09:11:25]

gardengnome:

juski: i just got myself a cheapo gigabyte board for 80€. works well so far

[09:11:46]

juski:

I like gigabyte boards. no hassle wi mine, even the via chipset ones

[09:12:28]

hads:

juski: Bah, marketing stuff, SATA2/SATA 3Gbps/whatever

[09:12:29]

gardengnome:

happy birthday, mythtvtalk.com. three years it is. :)

[09:12:45]

directhex|work:

IME, small name motherboards behave well, big name ones tend to disappoint

[09:12:53]

nupster:

Ive only been using mythtv for about an hour is there any way to make the media library up on its own?

[09:13:03]

nupster:

*update

[09:13:21]

juski:

nupster: use SVN head!

[09:13:40]

Tanthrix:

Damn, I think my drive is dying

[09:13:43]

Tanthrix:

Clicks of death!

[09:13:50]

directhex|work:

i was forced into buying an abit last time, and as expected, it's a huge disappointment

[09:14:05]

Ruleke:

this one is ok it seems

[09:14:18]

directhex|work:

wait for it

[09:14:22]

juski:

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboa . . . ductID=1615# is what I use on my desktop right now. all those PCI slots.. my backend is gonna end up in that!

[09:14:29]

directhex|work:

you've got another few months before the chipset fan burns out

[09:14:33]

Ruleke:

:P

[09:14:40]

Ruleke:

no chipset fan iirc :)

[09:14:48]

gardengnome:

Tanthrix: get a backup ;)

[09:15:11]

gardengnome:

juski: zomg! "rich in overclocking features"

[09:15:22]

directhex|work:

juski, KT400? i thought you were in the "via is evil" crowd

[09:15:44]

juski:

directhex|work: me? I've never fallen for that BS

[09:15:47]

Tanthrix:

gardengnome: It's on my new system, so nothing to backup yet. It's an 80gig drive that I've had for years now. Probably time to retire it

[09:15:48]

Ruleke:

I just went for everythign onboard in my backend, don't need many tuners :)

[09:15:55]

juski:

until I see Via chipset probs with my own two eyes..

[09:16:10]

juski:

it's all just Dagmar-rhetoric

[09:16:14]

Ruleke:

hehe

[09:16:36]

gardengnome:

the latest revision of my motherboard can boot with FSB 1333MHz chips :(

[09:16:37]

Ruleke:

the 686a problems were very real tho :)

[09:16:53]

directhex|work:

something's killed enthusiast motherboards off. all boards these days suck

[09:17:02]

juski:

dual personalities are no doubt very real too – doesn't mean I fall for mumbo-jumbo

[09:17:04]

gardengnome:

directhex|work: what about the intel bad axe?

[09:17:12]

directhex|work:

gardengnome, buggy!

[09:17:40]

Ruleke:

bad axe ?

[09:17:43]

nupster:

juski got a tut on svn head..

[09:17:49]

directhex|work:

the first core2-capable board to market

[09:17:51]

juski:

oh fack. I should NOT have had that 2nd cup of coffee just now

[09:17:57]

gardengnome:

Ruleke: some expensive 975X main board

[09:18:02]

juski:

nupster: have I got a tut?

[09:18:04]

juski:

tut!

[09:18:05]

Ruleke:

blah

[09:18:11]

gardengnome:

directhex|work: why is it buggy? i've got to install one soon

[09:18:26]

Ruleke:

I prefer the 965 chipset right now

[09:18:27]

nupster:

take that as no

[09:18:34]

juski:

nupster: svn.mythtv.org

[09:18:35]

directhex|work:

gardengnome, just the usual "bedding down" bios issues that never get bloody fixed

[09:18:46]

juski:

nupster: or download less

[09:18:48]

Tanthrix:

As usual, SMART reports everything OK, proving its uselessness.

[09:18:51]

directhex|work:

Ruleke, i'm dubious on 965, i don't trust ich8 for linux yet

[09:19:00]

Ruleke:

oh ?

[09:19:11]

Ruleke:

It's quite fine here

[09:19:11]

juski:

Tanthrix: SMART is ok – as in – better than nothing

[09:19:21]

directhex|work:

there are core2 boards with ich7, i'd take them for preference

[09:19:23]

directhex|work:

945p i think

[09:19:26]

Tanthrix:

Yah, like divining rods are better than nothing when checking for water

[09:19:56]

gardengnome:

directhex|work: http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboa . . . e=GA-945P-S3 ;)

[09:20:37]

directhex|work:

hey look, a 945p board!

[09:20:48]

gardengnome:

o/

[09:20:55]

gardengnome:

sitting next to me ;)

[09:20:58]

directhex|work:

at least with 945p, you don't have to tit around with jmicron

[09:21:24]

Ruleke:

not sure what that means

[09:21:28]

directhex|work:

gardengnome, there's a big downer on ich8 – no ide support. and the usual choice for ide controllers are utter *doodie*

[09:21:49]

Ruleke:

the ich8 serves 6 of the 9 ports...

[09:21:52]

Ruleke:

ahci

[09:22:01]

Tanthrix:

I'm liking my nForce 650i so far

[09:22:19]

directhex|work:

Ruleke, there is no ide (40 pin) support on ich8. any ports you see are served by a secondary controller chip from marvell or jmicron or similar

[09:22:24]

Ruleke:

ah yes

[09:22:33]

scopeuk (scopeuk!n=Scope@dyn237157.shef.ac.uk) has quit ("Download IceChat at www.icechat.net")

[09:22:38]

Ruleke:

well that seems to be working ok too, at least for the dvd burner

[09:23:03]

directhex|work:

gushing edge distro?

[09:23:07]

gardengnome:

directhex|work: true. that's what scared me.

[09:23:17]

Ruleke:

I don't think the distro matters

[09:23:25]

Ruleke:

we all compile our own kernels, right ?

[09:24:01]

directhex|work:

Ruleke, generally, no. ever heard of "delegation"? i get some other lackey over at $distroland to do the dirty work for me

[09:24:08]

Ruleke:

yep it's usign the jmicron thing it seems

[09:24:18]

Ruleke:

scsi10 : pata_jmicron

[09:24:35]

Ruleke:

scsi11 : pata_jmicron

[09:24:39]

Ruleke:

just 2 ports it seems

[09:26:04]

Dagmar:

RUn away! Run away!

[09:29:17]

kali67 (kali67!n=kali67@c-67-170-243-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:30:47]

juski:

caffeine buzz is wearing off now.. thank f

[09:31:42]

** directhex|work throws a pack of nodoz at juski **

[09:32:59]

juski:

don't! feel like Cornholio as it is

[09:33:10]

hads:

giggle

[09:37:26]

juski:

gonna have to switch to decaf I think. this could turn into a serious health-kick!

[09:37:59]

juski:

next ting I know I'll start working out, get a 6 pack & become a totally vain moron

[09:38:10]

juski:

oh wait..

[09:40:55]

nupster:

juski, thanks for all your help

[09:40:56]

nupster:

;)

[09:41:10]

nupster:

almost done with this box just need to configure the wireless and im done.

[09:41:21]

nupster:

goodnight

[09:41:26]

Dibblah:

A buzz from 2 cups of coffee? Sheesh. Been a while since those days :)

[09:42:43]

nupster (nupster!n=nupster@c-75-74-65-243.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[09:48:46]

onixian (onixian!n=xian@host-84-223-95-102.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:18:27]

gbee (gbee!n=gbee@cpc2-derb9-0-0-cust34.leic.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:29:59]

juski:

oh well. now I'm known as a troublemaking doomsayer at work

[10:30:17]

juski:

so I tell it like it is :)

[10:31:27]

gardengnome:

"you're all doomed because you drink coffee"?

[10:40:16]

juski:

oo "WD's 'SecurePark' parks the head safely off the disk surface during spin up, spin down & power-off". I should fscking hope so!

[10:42:28]

directhex|work:

hard disk in "it's not the seventies anymore" shocker?

[10:43:28]

juski:

it's a bit like saying "data stored in magnetised regions on the surface of a moving platter"

[10:43:52]

juski:

great bullet point there!

[10:44:27]

hads:

"Rigid metal casing"

[10:44:44]

directhex|work:

juski, magnets? you're kidding, right? i thought we were still on pixiegoblin-based technology

[10:47:15]

gardengnome:

directhex|work: it's still true. the marketing people coined the term "magnets" because it sounds better

[10:49:08]

HalonChilled (HalonChilled!n=HalonChi@ool-44c7f32f.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:54:29]

gbee:

ahh the glorious days when you had to tell the computer to park the head yourself

[10:54:50]

mIRCat:

Magnets are a thing of the past! I perfer the bash method http://www.bash.org/?98

[11:08:16]

a5benwillis (a5benwillis!n=benwilli@71-12-14-250.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) has quit ("See ya on the flip side!")

[11:09:20]

directhex|work:

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/24/review_elgato_turbo264/

[11:11:31]

MrMist (MrMist!n=neo@89.10.25.71) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:12:15]

GreyFoxx:

hahah cool. My USB sticksurvived a trip through teh washer and dryer

[11:12:17]

MrMist:

I'm having problems getting DirectFB to work on Gentoo ...

[11:12:42]

Dagmar:

Why I'm sure some of the experts in #Gentoo can help you with that

[11:13:55]

gardengnome:

MrMist: with mythtv?

[11:14:25]

MrMist:

That was the plan eventually, yes

[11:14:32]

MrMist:

But I can't even get DirectFB to work

[11:14:46]

MrMist:

And there's no DirectFB channel on IRC :(

[11:22:03]

directhex|work:

why do you want to use directfb?

[11:24:08]

Dagmar:

He hates steady frame rates

[11:25:07]

MrMist:

huh? I thought DirectFB was the way to go ?

[11:25:22]

** directhex|work wonders how many people actually use myth featues like directfb, proposes a survey on mythtv.org **

[11:25:49]

MrMist:

I have a system without X

[11:25:53]

MrMist:

at least for now

[11:25:58]

GreyFoxx:

MrMist: Almost noone uses it

[11:26:35]

GreyFoxx:

Unless you are delploying on a box with 32meg of ram, with basically 0 storage, I can't imagine areason to use it

[11:27:00]

** directhex|work wonders how sustainable it is to continually add new features (especially gui related ones) whilst keeping old features with a zero user base fully functional **

[11:27:09]

** directhex|work enjoys using /me **

[11:27:41]

quicksilver:

directhex|work: quite sustainable, if those features are amenable to mechanised regression testing

[11:27:48]

GreyFoxx:

directhex|work: Myth has too many options, no wonder users get confused :) And they could be organized a little better

[11:27:52]

quicksilver:

directhex|work: bloody hard work, if they're not (i.e. directfb)

[11:28:45]

MrMist:

So what are you guys saying =

[11:28:46]

MrMist:

?

[11:29:01]

quicksilver:

MrMist: use X

[11:29:07]

quicksilver:

MrMist: is what we're saying :)

[11:29:19]

directhex|work:

i just wonder at what point a little-used feature needs dropping or to work around newer design features, rather than being worked around

[11:29:23]

GreyFoxx:

MrMist: That if you are using directfb then you are going alone down the basically undocumented and rarely trvelled path

[11:29:33]

GreyFoxx:

So basically you are on your own

[11:29:49]

Dagmar:

Because you are cleaning the Aegean Stables with a soup spoon

[11:29:50]

GreyFoxx:

good luck and all that, but it's up to you to decide if it's worth your time

[11:29:59]

Dagmar:

Find a bloody river to divert

[11:30:17]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, nice classical reference!

[11:30:20]

Dagmar:

heh

[11:30:25]

Dagmar:

danke

[11:32:56]

MrMist:

So the general idea is that X is better suited?

[11:33:14]

directhex|work:

to displaying heavily graphical applications? yes. yes it is

[11:33:22]

MrMist:

I thought using the framebuffer directly would be faster and MORE stable

[11:33:31]

MrMist:

heacily?

[11:33:42]

MrMist:

I want to watch my videos

[11:33:59]

directhex|work:

videos that aren't graphical are called "songs"

[11:34:09]

directhex|work:

or "audiobooks"

[11:35:09]

MrMist:

Yeah, but I wouldn't call them "heavy graphically". Running a 3D app with millions of polygons is "heavy" graphics

[11:35:43]

directhex|work:

so the default way of drawing mythtv, then

[11:35:56]

** juski tucks into his smoked salmon salad box :-P **

[11:36:09]

directhex|work:

salmony!

[11:36:17]

Merlin83b:

tucky!

[11:36:42]

directhex|work:

hang on... salad? jeesus juski, you weren't kidding about the health kick!

[11:36:43]

GreyFoxx:

MrMist: directfb has nowhere near the userbase, or code history of X and is nowhere near as debugged and stable

[11:36:54]

directhex|work:

juski, oh, did you get those test results?

[11:37:06]

purserj (purserj!n=purserj@k-sit.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:37:07]

GreyFoxx:

But by nature of the much larger userbase and wider device support X is seen as buggier which is really not the case

[11:37:11]

MrMist:

That's true, but someone has to start using it then, right?

[11:37:19]

juski:

directhex|work: nah. after all that it turns out they send the er.. stuff to another lab – 3 week waiting time

[11:37:45]

GreyFoxx:

MrMist: That presumes there is agood reason to do it. But so far I haven't heard any reason to use it for a myth box.

[11:37:47]

MrMist:

Hmm

[11:37:48]

mIRCat:

MrMist: If it ain't broke...?

[11:38:08]

directhex|work:

MrMist, why would a largely untested, unaccelerated graphics mode be something that people would want to start using?

[11:38:09]

GreyFoxx:

Not to stop you, if you like a challenge, and it's about learning, go for it, I encourage that

[11:38:13]

MrMist:

Something like that.

[11:38:18]

MrMist:

Unaccelerated ?

[11:38:28]

MrMist:

Isn't that the whole idea behind DirectFB?

[11:38:30]

GreyFoxx:

but just warning that most who try to get it going seem to fail

[11:38:36]

janneg:

does someone know if sourceforge forbids svn copy?

[11:39:34]

directhex|work:

MrMist, directfb just uses a kernel-defined static framebuffer. you get absolutely no help from the graphics card in doing things like video playback – it's all cpu-bound bit blitting

[11:39:54]

juski:

directhex|work: don't forget colourspace conversion

[11:40:31]

juski:

YUV-RGB.. hmmm messy

[11:40:40]

directhex|work:

juski, for great justice!

[11:40:51]

gardengnome:

ftw

[11:41:05]

GreyFoxx:

MrMist: If you do pursue, maybe uou can help improve the documentation on it. : http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythTV_in_Framebuffer

[11:41:05]

quicksilver:

MrMist: the X drivers, to a greater or lesser extent, manage to use the 2D or 3D capabilities of the video cards for fast frame blitting

[11:41:15]

MrMist:

Er.. there are specific drivers for each graphics card to do the blitting !?

[11:41:16]

quicksilver:

MrMist: DirectFB does very little or none of that

[11:41:20]

gardengnome:

directhex|work: AFAIK, certain directfb drivers are hardware accelerated

[11:41:21]

juski:

mmmmm blit!

[11:42:28]

directhex|work:

MrMist, here's a quick test for you. got mplayer installed? play a video with "-vo xv" and look at cpu usage. try the same file with "-vo x11". then consider doubling or trebbling the cpu usage of the latter value for what directfb will require

[11:42:40]

directhex|work:

gardengnome, any modern, relevant ones? matrox framebuffers don't count

[11:42:41]

juski:

directhex|work: about the health kick.. wanna be a non-smoking healthy MF :D

[11:42:52]

croppa:

I have just set up a mythtv box with both back & front end and two digital tv cards.....What can i use to edit the saved shows?

[11:42:52]

directhex|work:

juski, to the gym!

[11:43:11]

juski:

I hate boy fascists

[11:43:12]

directhex|work:

croppa, you can make a cutlist using myth itself.

[11:43:15]

juski:

*body fascists

[11:43:15]

gardengnome:

directhex|work: um, matrox? ;)

[11:43:32]

directhex|work:

matrox haven't been relevant for years

[11:43:38]

croppa:

That I havent found yet

[11:43:48]

MrMist:

directhex|work: I can't install DirectFB... that's why I'm here

[11:43:57]

gardengnome:

directhex|work: http://www.directfb.org/index.php?path=Main%2FSupport%2FGraphics

[11:44:24]

gbee:

croppa: hit E during playback

[11:44:27]

MrMist:

GreyFoxx: I'm using emerge in Gentoo... it's a bit different approach than the general approach

[11:44:28]

croppa:

It is a fantastic program

[11:44:41]

thoraxe (thoraxe!n=thoraxe@h-74-0-64-17.atlngahp.covad.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:44:43]

directhex|work:

hooray for gentoo

[11:45:05]

croppa:

ok will try

[11:45:12]

directhex|work:

--enable-directfb ?

[11:45:29]

gbee:

croppa: once you've created a cutlist you can then tell myth to do a lossless transcode and it will remove the parts you've marked

[11:45:51]

juski:

croppa: note it will remove subtitles & extra audio streams

[11:46:45]

MrMist:

directhex|work: huh ?

[11:48:09]

directhex|work:

MrMist, it's a configure option for myth

[11:48:15]

croppa:

do you hit E at the start and end of the piece to be removed?

[11:48:37]

juski:

croppa: see the wiki's daily use section about editing

[11:49:11]

croppa:

Thanks I will

[11:49:34]

croppa:

The more I see the more I like

[11:50:19]

juski:

like cake!

[11:51:51]

directhex|work:

meatcake?

[11:55:55]

juski:

duh no :)

[11:57:09]

juski:

snigger! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/23/apple_sex_toy_spat/

[11:58:35]

quicksilver:

:)

[11:58:42]

quicksilver:

I think they probably have to object, though

[11:59:00]

quicksilver:

just to have it on record that they objected

[11:59:47]

directhex|work:

pfft, ann summers

[11:59:55]

directhex|work:

shop for giggly women on hen nights

[12:02:18]

juski:

yeah. they don't sell anything for er.. serious enthusiasts

[12:02:40]

fryfrog:

man, data direct deleted my cable listing *again* :/

[12:02:41]

juski:

honour.co.uk ;)

[12:03:02]

fryfrog:

but on the bright side, it looks like they consolidated all the *choices* for my area

[12:03:22]

croppa:

Thanks fellas that was very helpfull

[12:04:05]

directhex|work:

juski, shame it's always so damned expensive

[12:04:23]

gardengnome:

juski: EWAYTOOMUCHINFORMATION

[12:04:34]

gardengnome:

directhex|work: that's one thing where you really don't want to buy cheap.

[12:06:25]

directhex|work:

yeah, but christ on a bike, it's not as if production costs are that high. it's all made for 50p in china

[12:06:52]

directhex|work:

and ann summers are the worst, rebadging known brands and sticking on a 40% hike for the privilege

[12:08:55]

directhex|work:

as far as not-too-sleazy high-street goes, Harmony are okay. but they don't exactly have many branches

[12:08:55]

kali67 (kali67!n=kali67@c-67-170-243-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit ()

[12:11:25]

MrMist (MrMist!n=neo@89.10.25.71) has left #mythtv-users ()

[12:49:38]

Cardoe (Cardoe!n=Cardoe@gentoo/developer/Cardoe) has quit ("Leaving")

[12:59:05]

Spida (Spida!n=timo@spinnennetz.org) has left #mythtv-users ()

[12:59:48]

gbee:

really wish I hadn't touched the mythcontext header

[13:01:55]

tschak (tschak!n=tschak@c-68-46-126-37.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:02:39]

someninjamaster (someninjamaster!n=jamesric@c-68-53-159-99.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[13:03:55]

Disputin (Disputin!n=disp@c-24-20-6-99.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[13:08:09]

rktboy (rktboy!n=joem@c-24-61-34-239.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:09:58]

sandeen (sandeen!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[13:12:52]

sandeen (sandeen!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has joined #Mythtv-users

[13:13:30]

Pryon (Pryon!n=Pryon@c-76-18-90-150.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:17:19]

juski:

gardengnome: how was that too much info? I only posted a linky

[13:18:08]

directhex|work:

juski, funny thing is, it's the LACK of info that's worse than the ABUNDANCE of it, in this kind of situation :p

[13:18:29]

juski:

rofl

[13:19:31]

tschak:

http://kerneltrap.org/node/8250 <-- _NEATO_

[13:24:57]

gbee:

kde has long offered similar functionality for supported archive types

[13:25:01]

juski:

my wife had to go to Ann Summers to buy her friend a toy. said friend then wore out the toy,so another one had to be bought. This went on 4 times. Now said friend is engaged to be married, presumably no longer needing any more toys

[13:26:23]

Merlin83b:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/one-for-inanists/a . . . m-263184.php

[13:26:25]

kslater:

much

[13:26:27]

kslater:

hehe

[13:26:38]

juski:

god it was difficult to keep a straight face in the pub when Janet walked in. Janet broke 4 rabbits

[13:26:55]

Ruleke:

was she limping ?

[13:27:05]

juski:

she rarely even smiled..

[13:27:10]

directhex|work:

juski, rabbits have a short shelf life

[13:27:11]

juski:

tells all really

[13:27:27]

Ruleke:

:)

[13:27:31]

juski:

directhex|work: and even shorter operational life

[13:27:37]

AndyCap:

uuh.. is this #mythtv-users?

[13:27:41]

AndyCap:

:)

[13:27:44]

directhex|work:

they're hardier than they used to be, but still

[13:28:11]

directhex|work:

AndyCap, you didn't hear the plans to turn mythtv into a porn chan, with such a great name?

[13:28:16]

juski:

quick! somebody come in with a mythtv question

[13:28:26]

AndyCap:

next I'll see people talking about I-rub-my-duckie in #postgresql. :P

[13:28:35]

directhex|work:

juski, how can i get rid of that MHEG crap when recording softcore british porn in myth?

[13:28:36]

tzanger:

you rub your duckie?

[13:28:50]

juski:

directhex|work: turn off interactive tv in tv playback settings

[13:28:58]

directhex|work:

juski, i need it per-channel though!

[13:29:07]

juski:

directhex|work: you can't have it per-channel

[13:29:14]

directhex|work:

aw :(

[13:29:22]

juski:

it doesn't work if you set a recording profile to 'tv only'

[13:29:38]

AndyCap:

tzanger: google'll tell you.

[13:29:58]

tzanger:

google will tell me if you rub your duckie? :-)

[13:30:03]

juski:

rubber ducky, you're the one.. you're the one that makes bathtime fun!

[13:30:15]

tzanger:

yep

[13:30:19]

tzanger:

I sing that song to my fiancee

[13:30:22]

kslater:

does MythTV run on the new embedded tv's in some of the new refrigerators?

[13:30:30]

kslater:

is anyone working on a port?

[13:30:37]

** kslater ducks **

[13:30:41]

juski:

kslater: only the ones with fridgeOS

[13:30:51]

SiD3WiNDR:

is there a mythFridge plugin?

[13:31:15]

juski:

SiD3WiNDR: yes. it's from the guy who wrote MythGroceries

[13:31:47]

juski:

then there's MythMythTV – the mythtv plugin for mythtv

[13:31:48]

SiD3WiNDR:

ah cool, so they can interface

[13:32:26]

juski:

SiD3WiNDR: you need MythBarcode for that

[13:32:26]

AndyCap:

this one should go on the halfbakery. :)

[13:32:39]

juski:

AndyCap: linuxmce is there already

[13:33:10]

AndyCap:

harr harr.

[13:33:49]

juski:

what we need is a home control app with a really clutterred hard to read UI..

[13:34:06]

kslater:

like Mr. House?

[13:34:26]

AndyCap:

debug.exe

[13:35:30]

tschak:

linuxmce isn't hard to read

[13:35:36]

tschak:

that said, it could be a lot better.

[13:36:00]

juski:

it oculd be a lot less clutterred

[13:36:13]

juski:

a menu system taking up the whole screen.. gimme strength

[13:36:25]

tschak:

as soon as i finish building the new box

[13:36:32]

tschak:

i will try out the latest linuxmce

[13:36:36]

tschak:

and make some notes.

[13:36:45]

AndyCap:

juski: technically mythtv takes up the whole screen as well. :P

[13:36:49]

juski:

the voice synth is very relaxing though :)

[13:37:05]

AndyCap:

which synth does it use?

[13:37:11]

tschak:

I do like the basic idea of linuxmce's menu system.

[13:37:54]

juski:

tschak: life revolving around a spinning cube. yucky

[13:39:29]

tschak:

what SHOULD happen, is that some of the pluto messaging system gets folded into mythtv.

[13:39:50]

juski:

why? so I can be hassled when the phone rings? no thanks

[13:40:00]

Hugolp:

juski no need for that

[13:40:32]

juski:

tschak: doesn't it just use mythosd or whatever?

[13:40:46]

tschak:

???

[13:41:14]

gbee:

methinks tschak doesn't know about mythosd

[13:41:16]

Beirdo:

SunOS srss 5.11 matrix-build-2006-08–16 i86xen i386 i86xen

[13:41:17]

juski:

or er.. what did you mean by 'pluto messaging system' ?

[13:41:21]

Beirdo:

muhhahaa :)

[13:43:05]

Disputin (Disputin!n=disp@c-24-20-6-99.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:43:24]

doc|home (doc|home!n=doc@gentoo/contributor/doc-007) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:43:27]

tschak:

juski: it's the core of LinuxMCE, my understanding so far is that it's just a very simple dispatcher/marshalling core, which passes messages like, "movie playing, are we in living room? yes? send message to z-wave light #1.."

[13:43:50]

juski:

tschak: mythtv isn't even multi-user let alone multi-room

[13:43:53]

tschak:

juski: it's a very well written core, and is where the majority of the power of the system lies.

[13:44:19]

tschak:

*shrug*

[13:44:44]

juski:

can't the telnet interface of mythfrontend tell you what's currently going on anyway?

[13:45:05]

tzanger:

hmm, the AM2 socket processors, are the 65W ones the EE ones?

[13:45:23]

tschak:

yes, and that's sort of how mythtv currently ties into pluto with linuxme.

[13:45:26]

tschak:

linuxmce.

[13:45:56]

juski:

tschak: isn't that enough?

[13:46:12]

gbee:

cool, by deleteing just some of the button defs for plugins I don't use I've managed to reduce the amount of memory used by over 60Mb

[13:46:26]

juski:

I don't want mythtv to become any more than mythtv. if I want any more than that I'll use er, something more

[13:47:22]

Ruleke:

tzanger: there's an EE SFF too for 35W :)

[13:47:22]

juski:

gbee: nice :)

[13:47:33]

tzanger:

where the hell are those??

[13:47:45]

Ruleke:

irunno

[13:47:48]

Obeah (Obeah!n=Obeah@66.249.38.48) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:47:53]

juski:

gbee: in blootube-wide that could be over 200MB

[13:48:01]

rn114:

trying to compile mythplugins, but i get an error whereby it cannot find mythconfig.mak in /usr/local/include/mythtv

[13:48:01]

Ruleke:

part number ADD3800IAA5CU for the x2 3800+

[13:48:14]

rn114:

i have installed mythtv

[13:48:18]

juski:

rn114: you forgot to make install mythtv?

[13:48:27]

Ryushin (Ryushin!i=proxy@windwalker.openinnovations.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:48:27]

juski:

or the prefix is incorrect?

[13:49:05]

tzanger:

newegg dunna have that

[13:50:01]

Obeah:

What happened? I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and after booting up I'm getting INIT: Id "c7" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes.

[13:50:32]

juski:

Obeah: what does that have to do with mythtv?

[13:50:37]

rn114:

PREFIX=/usr/local

[13:50:47]

Ruleke:

tzanger: wouldn't expect it tbh

[13:50:47]

rn114:

ls /usr/local/bin does not contain mythbackend

[13:50:48]

Obeah:

Well it's a myth box... Debian

[13:51:17]

doc|work (doc|work!n=doc@gentoo/contributor/doc-007) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[13:51:18]

gbee:

juski: deleting unused defs was really just an experiment to see what sort of savings could be achieved if we handled them properly – with additional changes so that we only load each watermark/icon once I reckon we could easily realise a 200Mb reduction for blootube-wide

[13:51:39]

rn114:

this is a fresh checkout of svn head after doing a configure and a make and a make install

[13:51:47]

juski:

gbee: oh manually you mean ;)

[13:52:00]

gbee:

juski: yeah

[13:52:13]

juski:

bah just let the user delete em manually :P

[13:52:18]

gbee:

wanted to know it was worth doing before writing the code

[13:52:38]

juski:

you decided how you're gonna play it yet?

[13:52:44]

Obeah:

juski: It's a myth box – running under Debian

[13:53:04]

gbee:

no, still thinking about it

[13:53:07]

juski:

Obeah: it's an X problem, not mythtv – therefore sod all to do with mythtv

[13:53:50]

Obeah (Obeah!n=Obeah@66.249.38.48) has quit ("Leaving")

[13:54:25]

rn114:

( cd /src/moc && make )

[13:54:25]

rn114:

/bin/sh: line 0: cd: /src/moc: No such file or directory

[13:55:11]

rn114:

this occurs for the backend, the frontend, commflag and mythwelcome

[13:56:10]

rn114:

my problem is a bit more exciting!

[13:56:31]

juski:

gbee: just been thinking about us 3rd party themers.. this could get messylicious

[13:57:47]

gbee:

juski: I'll try and keep changes as small a possible for themers, I may even think of a way that avoids you needing to make changes completely

[14:07:03]

Ruleke:

hehe

[14:07:10]

Ruleke:

still uses an STB though ;)

[14:07:16]

tschak:

that's just fine

[14:07:20]

tschak:

channel change via firewire

[14:07:24]

tschak:

who gives a damn :-P

[14:07:27]

Ruleke:

nah I prefer my card :)

[14:07:29]

GreyFoxx:

I've been accessing the QAM stuff for weeks now, but since I'm moving and buying a HD projector I plan to pickup the stb and start using firewire as well

[14:07:45]

Ruleke:

because the fw link is sometimes flakey

[14:09:48]

Kevorkian:

wait .. the vid is on the fw ? or is it simply a chan change mech ?

[14:10:03]

Ruleke:

vid

[14:10:19]

GreyFoxx:

Both

[14:10:20]

tschak:

Kevorkian: both.

[14:10:25]

Kevorkian:

whats the quality ?

[14:10:28]

GreyFoxx:

perfect

[14:10:38]

Kevorkian:

first of all .. nothing is perfect ..

[14:10:49]

tschak:

Kevorkian: once you strip away the framing, it's an MPEG-2 TS at full bitrate.

[14:10:50]

quicksilver:

in the digital world, there is such thing as perfect

[14:10:50]

Ruleke:

a 1:1 from the broadcast is pretty perfect ;)

[14:10:56]

GreyFoxx:

the digital data is passed over firewire. It's not an analog signal like s-video

[14:11:02]

quicksilver:

it means, you get the same digital signal that was put in...

[14:11:09]

juski:

oh just FYI I dispelled a couple of myths on the wiki this morning. needed doing and might well cut down discussions like that which came up yesterday

[14:11:09]

tschak:

Kevorkian: no resampling.

[14:11:23]

Ruleke:

juski :)

[14:11:42]

juski:

big 60 point text.. NO

[14:11:57]

Kevorkian:

so you get the straight mpeg that they put in .. hmmm

[14:13:09]

Kevorkian:

IF thats true .. once it becomes known .. that will be shut off real quick.

[14:13:19]

GreyFoxx:

Kevorkian: A lot of providers do it

[14:13:31]

tschak:

Kevorkian: normally, even when the firewire ports are enabled, they respect the copy flag if it's enabled either on a channel, or on a global basis.

[14:13:35]

GreyFoxx:

and in fact FCC regulations in the states reqwuire it for some channels

[14:13:49]

** Kevorkian is IN the states .. **

[14:13:59]

** Kevorkian points at the HDMI port .. **

[14:14:12]

tschak:

Kevorkian: which means, that if copy flag is set, a DTCP handshake is required to view the content via the firewire, it's encrypted with DES at that point.

[14:14:54]

tschak:

Kevorkian: most cable head-ins encrypt everything except the FCC mandated local-channels.

[14:15:02]

Kevorkian:

then its not really raw mpeg .. well .. almost .. but they still have logic on the processing ..

[14:15:05]

GreyFoxx:

Kevorkian: If you have any local HDTV stations then they must be unecrypted fror you

[14:15:17]

** tschak beats Kevorkian with a big lead pipe. **

[14:16:04]

Kevorkian:

well .. the rule is .. if I "could" get teh chan with a wire in the air .. they cant encrypt it on the cable . or something like that.

[14:16:23]

Kevorkian:

or is that just a 'must cary' thing ..

[14:16:40]

** Kevorkian gets confused sometimes .. the fcc is funky with things like that. **

[14:17:13]

tschak:

Kevorkian: local channels are unencrypted, period.

[14:17:23]

tschak:

Kevorkian: anything else is at the mercy of the head-in.

[14:19:19]

** GreyFoxx hugs his cable co **

[14:19:27]

Kevorkian:

which one is that ?

[14:19:33]

GreyFoxx:

Sweet internet, and great cable

[14:19:42]

GreyFoxx:

Eastlink, here in Nova Scotia

[14:20:13]

Kevorkian:

down here in NY either you get gereat cable .. OR great net ..

[14:20:28]

Kevorkian:

never both on the same system.

[14:20:32]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[14:21:10]

Kevorkian:

I love it when I call up with a problem .. and they "log into my box to check levels"

[14:21:34]

Kevorkian:

and im all like .. umm .. how did you do that when its NOT EVEN ATTACHED TO THE CABLE ??

[14:21:47]

GreyFoxx:

I've had amazing cable modem service for 10 years now. Other than 1 bad week back in 2000 it's been rock solid and fast as heck

[14:22:14]

Kevorkian:

define "fast as heck"

[14:22:32]

GreyFoxx:

I generally avoid swearing since I became a parent :)

[14:22:54]

Kevorkian:

no .. like .. define .. as in .. a number.

[14:22:57]

GreyFoxx:

but, 10mbit down, and I get hit 10mbit often depending on the site

[14:23:10]

GreyFoxx:

I can download at 10mbit from my office for instance

[14:23:24]

Ruleke:

2MB/s is ok for me

[14:23:42]

Kevorkian:

10 is nice .. I have seen 25 .. but thats rare ..

[14:24:12]

Kevorkian:

between 10 and 20 from places I know can do the speed is common.

[14:24:17]

GreyFoxx:

I've never seen a cablemodem pushed more than 10mbit since most of them out there only have 10mbit eterhnet ports

[14:24:33]

Kevorkian:

huh ??

[14:24:33]

Ruleke:

mine has 100mbit

[14:24:42]

Ruleke:

interface that is

[14:24:42]

GreyFoxx:

and the max for docsis 1.0/1.1 is 29mbit on the downstream

[14:24:50]

Ruleke:

getting 20mbit down

[14:24:56]

Kevorkian:

most have 100 .. its the lil blue turd thats got the 10

[14:24:56]

GreyFoxx:

nice

[14:25:11]

Ruleke:

It also has USB1.1 funnily :)

[14:25:25]

Ruleke:

and then some people complain they don't get the 20mbit :)

[14:25:26]

GreyFoxx:

Mine hs a usb2 port, never used it but it's there

[14:26:10]

Ruleke:

I think it might be EuroDOCSIS around here, Idunno

[14:27:17]

Kevorkian:

euro .. has to change everything .. just a lil bit ...

[14:27:29]

rn114:

mine has 20 (UK)

[14:27:35]

Kevorkian:

NO .. 1.5 isnt good enough .. lets make it .. 2

[14:27:38]

Ruleke:

hmm can get 36mbit on one provider

[14:27:49]

Ruleke:

don't think they have decent peers though

[14:28:24]

grndslm_ (grndslm_!n=grndslm@24-116-87-97.cpe.cableone.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:28:36]

Beirdo:

I hate my cableco/ISP. They can barely maintain a 512kbit connection for us

[14:28:43]

Ruleke:

:(

[14:28:51]

Kevorkian:

the one time I saw 25 was to a net I know is peered with my cable co at 100 ..

[14:28:58]

Beirdo:

and have had no spare cable boxes for months

[14:29:17]

Beirdo:

or at least that's what they tell us

[14:29:36]

Kevorkian:

claim your box broke . then stop paying your bill .. see how fast they come up with a new box.

[14:29:37]

Beirdo:

oh, and if there's a power failure, kaboom goes their CMTS

[14:30:11]

Beirdo:

GreyFoxx, pretty sure they STILL have no UPS in their data center

[14:30:19]

Kevorkian:

voice here lasts about 3 hours into a power failure.

[14:30:34]

Ruleke:

heh in singapore they have 100mbit docsis3.0 connections :-P

[14:30:47]

Beirdo:

oh PRTC is good at keeping the phone system working

[14:31:00]

Beirdo:

just wish we could get DSL in this neighborhood already

[14:31:09]

Zider:

I have 100/100 "LAN" connection :P

[14:31:24]

Kevorkian:

I was talking about voip on the cable .. not pots ..

[14:31:29]

Beirdo:

ohhh

[14:31:37]

Kevorkian:

pots is still a robust service here.

[14:31:49]

thoraxe:

we were SUPPOSED to have 100mbit here in the states

[14:31:57]

thoraxe:

but the phone companies squandered the money the government gave them

[14:31:59]

thoraxe:

it's a huge scandal

[14:32:07]

Beirdo:

heh, well, when there's a power failure and our power comes back on... without fail, the cable modem drops about 5 minutes after and stays off for about 30 minutes

[14:32:07]

Ruleke:

phone is also through the cable around here

[14:32:19]

thoraxe:

and a tree fell in my neighborhood and took out my cable and internet, and now two shows are on at the same time and i only have one pvr-150 :(

[14:32:32]

Ruleke:

the power failure alone seems a bit strange :P

[14:32:53]

Beirdo:

nah, the power grid here in PR is.... craptacular

[14:33:03]

Ruleke:

where's PR ?

[14:33:05]

Kevorkian:

sounds like a bad ups in one of the inline amps or something.

[14:33:05]

ikonia_ (ikonia_!n=mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:33:18]

Beirdo:

until I have the $$$ to go buy some UPSs, I'm stuck with max uptime of about 12 days

[14:33:20]

Kevorkian:

pr ?? the 52nd state ?

[14:33:24]

Ruleke:

ah wait yes I remember

[14:33:25]

Beirdo:

Puerto Rico

[14:33:25]

ikonia_:

hello myth users

[14:33:26]

Ruleke:

:)

[14:33:43]

Ruleke:

you talked about it before :)

[14:34:01]

Beirdo:

a great place to live if you can live with some of the downsides

[14:34:08]

ikonia_:

I'm curious have any of you ever used an intel based mac mini or mac as a (Linux installed) mythtv "client" only – so no TV cards or anything like that, just a front end connecting to a myth server ?

[14:34:25]

ikonia_:

/mac/imac

[14:34:32]

Kevorkian:

why install linux ??

[14:34:37]

Beirdo:

I wanna buy a diesel generator, but my wifey won't agree to it... it could run our house indefinitely... but it's like $15k :)

[14:34:45]

ikonia_:

I didn't think myth ran on OSX

[14:34:51]

Kevorkian:

why would it not ?

[14:34:57]

Ruleke:

why run OSX ?

[14:35:04]

Kevorkian:

cause its pretty

[14:35:04]

Beirdo:

why not run OSX

[14:35:11]

ikonia_:

????

[14:35:20]

Kevorkian:

ikonia_, OSX=BSD

[14:35:24]

ikonia_:

yes

[14:35:27]

ikonia_:

I get that

[14:35:48]

Ruleke:

the older imac I was given is just a nice ppc linux box ;)

[14:35:49]

thoraxe:

man speaking of PR there was this awesome cartoon spoof that someone made of the elian gonzalez thing

[14:35:55]

thoraxe:

that was done up in leet speak

[14:35:56]

ikonia_:

but I'm not aware of a package for OS-X for myth

[14:35:58]

thoraxe:

and i can't find it

[14:36:36]

ikonia_:

I'll re-phrase the question. Has anyone used an intel mac mini or imac as a front end myclient only ?

[14:36:49]

ikonia_:

with any os installed

[14:36:52]

Kevorkian:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_on_Mac_OS_X

[14:36:54]

Disputin:

yes

[14:37:00]

Beirdo:

I tried on my ibook (G3) a long time ago, it was too gutless

[14:37:02]

ikonia_:

Disputin: would you share your situation with me please

[14:37:07]

Beirdo:

but with a real processor, should work

[14:37:11]

ikonia_:

eG: what product/spec/versions

[14:37:12]

Disputin:

I'm using a mac mini running ubuntu

[14:37:19]

ikonia_:

Disputin ahh ok thats interesting

[14:37:22]

rn114:

having a compilation issue: when i do make install i get: /bin/sh: line 0: cd: /src/moc: No such file or directory

[14:37:25]

Disputin:

it runs mythfrontend

[14:37:28]

Disputin:

no issues

[14:37:34]

ikonia_:

Disputin: does the infrared remove control work and are you using that to control the mythfrontend ?

[14:37:34]

rn114:

this is because it tried to do ( cd /src/moc && make )

[14:37:42]

Disputin:

heh

[14:37:54]

rn114:

which comes from this in the Makefile: ( cd $(QTDIR)/src/moc && $(MAKE) )

[14:38:00]

ikonia_:

typing is terrible

[14:38:06]

rn114:

but $QTDIR is set in my environment!

[14:38:10]

Disputin:

so it says it controls the volume, however the "master" volume doesn't seem to do anything

[14:38:25]

Disputin:

the PCM seems to be the master volume....

[14:38:43]

ikonia_:

Disputin: can you use it to nagivate around the mythfront end menu and select and change channels etc etc

[14:38:58]

Disputin:

We don't use it much, I'm patiently waiting for someone to write a nice lirc file for the remote

[14:38:59]

Disputin:

no

[14:39:13]

Kevorkian:

wiki is claiming issues with the remote ..

[14:39:14]

ikonia_:

Disputin ahhh so the remote is pretty useless at the moment

[14:39:19]

Disputin:

it only affects the volume, and even then it doesn't "really"

[14:39:20]

Disputin:

yes

[14:39:22]

ikonia_:

Kevorkian thank you

[14:39:27]

ikonia_:

Disputin than you too

[14:39:34]

ikonia_:

excellent snippet of info

[14:40:52]

Kevorkian:

looks like .2 has the remote patch .. so .. make sure to use that

[14:41:04]

ikonia_:

0.20.2?

[14:41:12]

Kevorkian:

sorry .. .20

[14:41:20]

ikonia_:

big thank you for that info

[14:41:24]

** Disputin wanders off **

[14:41:38]

Kevorkian:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_on_Mac_x86

[14:42:48]

Kevorkian:

hmmm .. I might just play with this ..

[14:42:54]

directhex|work:

afternoon, ikonia_

[14:42:59]

ikonia_:

hello directhex|work

[14:43:04]

ikonia_:

I'm mythfrontending !!

[14:43:23]

ikonia_:

what are you up to

[14:43:31]

directhex|work:

so i see. wish i could afford to, but the car needs a service

[14:43:39]

ikonia_:

ughh terrible

[14:43:45]

ikonia_:

well I'm only testing at the moment

[14:44:14]

ikonia_:

I was looking at mini front end boxes and someone suggested a mac mini then I thought inbuilt remote control, small quiet, low power, dvd burner, what better front end hardware

[14:44:25]

ikonia_:

so I thought I'd do some snooping

[14:44:34]

rktboy (rktboy!n=joem@c-24-61-34-239.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[14:44:59]

** Kevorkian points ikonia_ at an apple tv box. **

[14:45:02]

ikonia_:

directhex|work: lets take a look

[14:45:55]

Kevorkian:

BUT .. the 5 buttons are SO much prettyer

[14:45:58]

ikonia_:

so thats afor a PS remote over blue tooth to a mac running

[14:46:03]

ikonia_:

Kevorkian the mac remote is nice and tidy

[14:46:30]

ikonia_:

directhex|work: that should read a mac running what os

[14:46:37]

directhex|work:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0C8QN3Hux4g

[14:46:41]

otwin (otwin!n=opera@158.64.27.1) has left #mythtv-users ()

[14:46:49]

fysa:

I still want to get the Wii remote working..

[14:46:52]

directhex|work:

ikonia_, well, t'is only tested on my amd64 linux boxen. needs the uinput kernel module

[14:47:12]

directhex|work:

ignore the aspect ratio in that vid

[14:48:22]

ikonia_:

directhex|work: ahh ok, so its not tested against the mac

[14:48:42]

directhex|work:

ikonia_, nah, but it ought to work. in theory :)

[14:49:05]

ikonia_:

directhex|work: this max work for mx x86 box with a blue tooth dongle in the back

[14:49:09]

ikonia_:

max ??? may

[14:49:21]

directhex|work:

appleir isn't any less nasty, IME

[14:49:30]

ikonia_:

no no I agree

[14:49:37]

ikonia_:

I'm just looking at a common platform

[14:49:40]

directhex|work:

ikonia_, macs have built-in linux-friendly bluetooth, so it ought to work fine in linux

[14:50:06]

ikonia_:

directhex|work: ooh yeah I'm sure, I'm now curious about getting the PS remote working on my x86 box over bluetooth

[14:50:09]

ikonia_:

that would be quite useful

[14:50:09]

directhex|work:

ikonia_, should work fine on any x86_64 box without tweaking. some possible changes needed per-arch

[14:50:29]

ikonia_:

the price of a mac mini with a super drive is £529 which against the none super driver is £399 seems crazy

[14:50:45]

ikonia_:

directhex|work: I'll test it on x86 this weekend when I run out and buy a PS3 remote

[14:51:18]

Kevorkian:

OR .. just buy a tivo

[14:51:21]

** Kevorkian ducks **

[14:51:23]

Reiver2003 (Reiver2003!n=medontwa@c-24-18-39-190.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:51:30]

ikonia_:

I have to admit though a mac mini with a mini remote is a nice end to end solution

[14:51:34]

ikonia_:

I'll have to look into this

[14:51:49]

ikonia_:

maybe even put a solid state hard disk in for no sound at all

[14:51:57]

directhex|work:

educational discount is heavy, so when i can afford it, a mac mini is my frontend of choice

[14:52:20]

** Kevorkian points at the apple tv box again. **

[14:52:37]

ikonia_:

directhex|work: please order me two

[14:52:58]

Ruleke:

strange how it doesn't do 1080...

[14:53:52]

directhex|work:

Ruleke, why would it? you can't buy 1080 stuff from itunes

[14:54:01]

Ruleke:

irunno

[14:54:07]

Ruleke:

I don't know itunes

[14:54:19]

Kevorkian:

bo knows itunes.

[14:54:38]

Kevorkian:

sorry .... bad 80's joke

[14:55:58]

Beirdo:

Kevorkian knows Diddley..

[14:56:00]

Beirdo:

heh

[14:57:18]

Beirdo:

hmmm, which machine should be my first LDAP auth victim...

[14:57:59]

rn114:

my installation problem is also affecting some of the libraries

[14:58:05]

rn114:

can anybody help me at all?

[14:58:10]

directhex|work:

Beirdo, rn114's mythbox!

[14:58:40]

Ruleke:

ldap auth victim ?

[14:58:41]

directhex|work:

Beirdo, ldap auth is great, as long as you set up pam so it doesn't break horribly when the directory is down (especially for root, as it does on most distros)

[14:58:50]

Beirdo:

building Qt is never fun, I don't wanna have to do it

[14:58:57]

Beirdo:

yeah

[14:59:08]

Beirdo:

root won't be in LDAP, it will be local to each machine

[14:59:14]

thufir007 (thufir007!n=thufir@S01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[14:59:23]

directhex|work:

yeah, but on most distros, it still stops root logging in if the ldap directory is down

[14:59:30]

directhex|work:

despite root being a local user

[14:59:40]

Beirdo:

that's retarded

[14:59:56]

directhex|work:

definitely happens with the suse 9 defaults

[14:59:57]

Beirdo:

does it let you use redundant servers for LDAP?

[15:00:03]

Kevorkian:

well .. sometimes you WANT root to be in the dir

[15:00:09]

Beirdo:

I haven't looked at the client-side config yet

[15:00:22]

directhex|work:

Beirdo, been working on this stuff for 18 months. want my old beta implementation doc?

[15:00:24]

Beirdo:

I do NOT want root in the dir for auth. maybe for mailbox info

[15:00:32]

Beirdo:

sure

[15:00:48]

directhex|work:

damn, where is it? :x

[15:00:56]

Beirdo:

now that I can't answer :)

[15:01:17]

directhex|work:

maybe on the laptop. i wrote it on the laptop

[15:01:23]

Beirdo:

I have slurpd replicating from ldap1 to ldap2

[15:01:31]

directhex|work:

it also covers integrating ldap users with exim4, if that helps

[15:01:33]

Beirdo:

which are domUs on two different xen boxes

[15:02:21]

directhex|work:

i wrote it in late 2005, it's all still relevant though

[15:02:31]

Beirdo:

cool

[15:02:46]

Beirdo:

I use postfix though, but I'm sure I can adapt the details

[15:02:50]

directhex|work:

bah, fsck

[15:03:37]

RaYmAn-Bx:

postfix comes with ldap support buildin as well..at least in newer versions

[15:03:45]

Beirdo:

yup

[15:03:59]

directhex|work:

RaYmAn-Bx, the question isn't just support, it's integration too

[15:04:01]

ikonia_:

the apple set to box looks like it would be a good myth client also

[15:04:20]

Beirdo:

first is get machines using LDAP for auth, then the mail integration, then other stuff like samba

[15:04:32]

directhex|work:

it's a tad low spec, and has no optical drive. whether you care or not is another matter

[15:04:44]

ikonia_:

directhex|work: yeah the network is 10/100

[15:04:51]

ikonia_:

and its lacking a little grunt

[15:05:03]

ikonia_:

I would live without the optical drive as other clients would have it

[15:05:29]

RaYmAn-Bx:

directhex|work: well..besides email addresses and homedirs, what more do you want from an MTA?

[15:05:53]

directhex|work:

RaYmAn-Bx, access control

[15:06:21]

ikonia_:

I don't like the idea of watching myth over wirless on say 3 devices in the house

[15:06:23]

RaYmAn-Bx:

iirc it can use ldap for pretty much anything..and since you set up the queries yourself, the schema is entirely up to you

[15:06:58]

directhex|work:

RaYmAn-Bx, yes. but writing those queries in a way your MTA likes can be a real pain

[15:07:10]

directhex|work:

RaYmAn-Bx, you have no idea how convoluted some of my queries are

[15:08:34]

RaYmAn-Bx:

fair enough..Admittedly I only looked at it for a fairly short time, then dumped it because there were no real benefits for this place.

[15:10:02]

Beirdo:

heh, well I have about 14 or so domUs now, and 3 servers... so shared auth is a good thing

[15:10:07]

directhex|work:

aha! it was on the laptop

[15:10:20]

directhex|work:

19 pages. where do you want it?

[15:10:50]

Beirdo:

somewhere I can grab it... or email...

[15:22:15]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=hox@dsl-hkigw2-fe1ede00-55.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:25:03]

jvs (jvs!n=jvs@cm64-247.liwest.at) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:25:48]

Ruleke (Ruleke!n=roelt@mule.trantor.org.uk) has left #mythtv-users ()

[15:31:01]

Merlin83b2 (Merlin83b2!n=Merlin83@34sp.gotadsl.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:31:38]

juski:

ahh bless my local shopkeep. been missing my custom

[15:32:10]

directhex|work:

"oi mister juski, you not fillin' your lungs with black sludge anymore? i's gonna go bust :'(" ?

[15:32:24]

Beirdo:

hehe

[15:32:59]

juski:

indeed :)

[15:33:25]

directhex|work:

you could buy the cigs then burn them, to make him feel better!

[15:33:30]

juski:

aparently some people in Scotland have taken up smoking as a result of the ban

[15:33:41]

Beirdo:

heheh

[15:33:54]

Beirdo:

some people just MUST rebel against the establishment

[15:33:55]

juski:

to be outside with their mates when they light up. ffs how backwards is that?

[15:34:12]

Beirdo:

take up golf.

[15:34:12]

juski:

maybe if their mates jumped off a cliff they'd follow suit

[15:34:29]

juski:

golf is evil. I've seen it change people

[15:34:32]

Beirdo:

silly Scots invented the game, if you just wanna be outside with the mates, go play 9 holes

[15:35:04]

juski:

Scots invented golf? yet another reason to feel superior then

[15:35:45]

Beirdo:

heh. And they make good whiskey too... which is likely why they like to prance around in skirts... er kilts.

[15:36:34]

Beirdo:

had a coworker once that had freshly moved from Glasgow (to Canada). Oy, was he hard to understand for most people ;)

[15:37:11]

juski:

this woman I know at work – she was great – v. cool to talk to etc. then she was talked into taking up golf to help her sales. oh dear GOD

[15:37:34]

Beirdo:

yeah, golf can turn people into right arseholes

[15:37:51]

Beirdo:

thankfully not ALL of em go that way

[15:37:57]

juski:

there are people who play golf I think, then there are golfers

[15:38:09]

zambaroo:

yoyoYO

[15:38:10]

Beirdo:

ahhh, that could be it

[15:38:38]

juski:

sports can be taken way too seriously IMHO

[15:39:08]

Beirdo:

you have to experience the joy that is a die-hard NFL fan

[15:39:08]

juski:

made me laugh last night when I saw the men on the news.. grown men.. crying at being stranded in Liverpool airport not able to go watch THE game

[15:39:29]

Beirdo:

although I guess the soccer fans in the UK are at least as rabid about things

[15:39:31]

ikonia_:

juski dirty scousers tried to rush the gate though with no tickets

[15:39:37]

ikonia_:

gave uk fans a wrotten thug name again

[15:39:55]

Beirdo:

again? When have they ever lost that image?

[15:40:03]

ikonia_:

boss la' we got no f'in tickets' less rush 'da gate la'

[15:40:18]

ikonia_:

scallys on da rob etc etc etc

[15:40:23]

juski:

Beirdo: eggsakerly

[15:40:43]

geoffeg:

juski: golf is not a sport

[15:40:59]

Beirdo:

people who can be best friends get homicidal towards each other when their respective favorite teams play each other

[15:41:03]

Beirdo:

just retarded

[15:42:10]

directhex|work:

hands up if you're a chronic geek AND a sports fan?

[15:42:21]

directhex|work:

for the most part they seem incompatible

[15:42:22]

** ikonia_ watches the tumble weed **

[15:42:24]

Beirdo:

I'm a baseball and hockey fan

[15:42:32]

Beirdo:

but not to retarded lengths

[15:42:33]

ikonia_:

neither of them are spot

[15:42:35]

ikonia_:

sport

[15:42:39]

Beirdo:

umm?

[15:42:40]

juski:

jihad!

[15:42:44]

Beirdo:

are you on crack?

[15:42:47]

directhex|work:

dirka dirka dirka!

[15:42:48]

ikonia_:

Beirdo no

[15:42:48]

juski:

dirka dirka

[15:43:00]

Beirdo:

golf not being a sport is fine

[15:43:13]

juski:

like darts & snooker aren't sports either :)

[15:43:15]

Beirdo:

if you think hockey and baseball aren't sports, yer on crack :)

[15:43:34]

ikonia_:

+Beirdo usa sports not = real sports

[15:43:34]

juski:

competitive game involving physical activity == sport

[15:43:44]

Beirdo:

hahah

[15:43:45]

Ryushin (Ryushin!i=proxy@windwalker.openinnovations.com) has quit ("Client exiting")

[15:43:49]

directhex|work:

juski, mud wrestling?

[15:43:53]

ikonia_:

Beirdo I am teasing

[15:43:53]

juski:

directhex|work: sport

[15:43:58]

Beirdo:

hockey ain't a US sport, ya know :)

[15:44:07]

ikonia_:

female topless darts ala channel 5 ?

[15:44:08]

directhex|work:

hockey's for those damned canadians!

[15:44:09]

Beirdo:

Canadian and European primarily

[15:44:17]

juski:

ikonia_: not sport

[15:44:21]

ikonia_:

no way !

[15:44:27]

Beirdo:

a LOT of Scandinavians and Russians in the NHL

[15:44:28]

zambaroo:

female.. toples... GENIUS!

[15:44:29]

juski:

wanking is not a sport

[15:44:35]

ikonia_:

topless darts is one of the true tests of sporting prowess

[15:44:39]

Beirdo:

juski, it can be

[15:44:42]

Beirdo:

hehe

[15:44:42]

directhex|work:

juski, :o

[15:44:55]

juski:

Beirdo: some people turn it into an art, but that doesn't make it sport

[15:44:56]

juski:

;)

[15:44:57]

directhex|work:

well *gently caress* you! my team's SO gonna win!

[15:45:04]

Beirdo:

just have to get competitive about it... I think it's a sport for so many teenagers

[15:45:26]

directhex|work:

i've gotten much more of a potty mouth since i started self-censoring

[15:45:29]

zambaroo:

this has taken a very wrong turn like 20 seconds ago

[15:45:42]

Beirdo:

heheh

[15:45:44]

juski:

Beirdo: if only it was more popular though – the teenage pregnancy rate would plummet!

[15:46:00]

Beirdo:

well female topless darts leads to wanking in teenagers, so...

[15:46:11]

Beirdo:

yeah, true, juski

[15:47:16]

Como (Como!n=como@cpe-74-75-32-195.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:48:43]

hashbang (hashbang!n=nosuch@cse-ajb.cse.bris.ac.uk) has quit ("Client exiting")

[15:49:25]

juski:

a problem occured during hardware installation.. what the hell kind of error message is THAT?!

[15:49:37]

juski:

tell me why my USB HDD isn't working you git!

[15:49:52]

directhex|work:

juski, that's how windows does things. it's part of the human interface guidelines

[15:50:08]

Beirdo:

almost as fun as "Keyboard Error, hit F1 to continue"

[15:50:09]

directhex|work:

juski, "meaningful" errors are scary, so hide them away.

[15:50:21]

juski:

maybe in the event viewer.. hmmm

[15:50:49]

zambaroo:

so ya'all, i got that sound thingamajig to work last night.

[15:51:48]

tyce (tyce!n=tyce@fw.oremut02.us.wh.verio.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:51:58]

fysa:

you have the AC adapter plugged in, noob? ;)

[15:52:31]

Merlin83b (Merlin83b!n=Merlin83@34sp.gotadsl.co.uk) has quit (Connection timed out)

[15:52:33]

GhostFreeman:

my old Gateway always said press Del

[15:52:42]

tyce:

is there a better way to repair the mythconverg tables then using "myisamchk -Uer *.MYI"

[15:52:55]

fysa:

mythrepair?

[15:52:57]

fysa:

er

[15:53:15]

fysa:

myisamchk is better than mysqlcheck?

[15:53:26]

fysa:

I've only ever used the latter.

[15:53:51]

tyce:

I think they do about the same thing

[15:54:41]

tyce:

I have a bad feeling that my tables are fubar'd to badly

[15:55:02]

tyce:

is there an easy way to just wipe out mythconverg and start fresh?

[15:55:11]

juski:

well now there really IS a problem with the USB disk

[15:55:21]

juski:

it's in hundreds of little pieces on the floor

[15:55:27]

fysa:

haha

[15:56:18]

juski:

needed a flash USB key anyway

[15:56:30]

juski:

not the lame 3.2GB microdrive rip-off from ebay

[15:57:05]

Como|Lappy (Como|Lappy!n=como@cpe-74-75-65-41.maine.res.rr.com) has quit (Connection timed out)

[15:57:27]

Reiver2003:

I'm trying to compile mythplugins on debian and getting this error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXvMCNVIDIA

[15:57:40]

Reiver2003:

can anyone point me in the right direction?

[15:58:36]

directhex|work:

nvidia-glx-dev package

[15:58:41]

juski:

download the xvmc libs, or disable xvmc

[15:59:35]

directhex|work:

or, even easier, "apt-get build-dep mythplugins"

[16:00:09]

Reiver2003:

nvidia-glx-dev was it

[16:00:11]

Reiver2003:

thanks

[16:00:19]

juski:

arghh so this thing has one go on one usb port, then gives up on repeated attempts

[16:00:22]

jimbalaya (jimbalaya!n=Miranda@69.95.215.38) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:00:23]

juski:

ducking junk

[16:00:37]

jimbalaya:

anyone know the default location for mythtv to store its TV recordings?

[16:00:50]

directhex|work:

/var/lib/mythtv/recordings i think

[16:02:00]

jimbalaya:

hm, is this just the buffer storage, or is this just scheduled recordings, or is it both?

[16:02:12]

directhex|work:

everything

[16:02:15]

jimbalaya:

hhmm

[16:02:53]

juski:

mythtv stores stuff where you tell it to store stuff! amazingly awesome!

[16:02:56]

xris (xris!n=xris@xris.forevermore.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:02:56]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris

[16:03:30]

jimbalaya:

it's all a matter of remembering where you told it to store stuff

[16:03:43]

juski:

or checking mythtv-setup

[16:04:17]

jimbalaya:

that would required exiting mythfrontend, and also access to the TV

[16:04:33]

tank-man:

ssh in

[16:04:39]

jimbalaya:

...nothing like trying to talk your girlfriend through watching a recorded show that doesn't seem to play :-P

[16:05:01]

jimbalaya:

I wasn't sure about the implications of running mythtv-setup as a user other than mythtv

[16:06:48]

juski:

freenx :)

[16:08:10]

juski:

mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg -e "select data from settings where value='RecordFilePrefix';"

[16:09:29]

Kevorkian:

I bet jimbalaya heard the phrase "Why cant we just get a tivo like NORMAL people?"

[16:10:09]

GlemSom (GlemSom!n=GlemSom@50A2C160.flatrate.dk) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:10:27]

jimbalaya:

hehe, she's been understanding of the fact that we're not normal people ;-)

[16:10:35]

juski:

because it sucks?

[16:10:43]

Kevorkian:

TIVO SUCKS ??

[16:10:55]

Kevorkian:

now .. seriously .. you must be smoking crack

[16:11:05]

grndslm_ (grndslm_!n=grndslm@24-116-87-97.cpe.cableone.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[16:11:41]

jimbalaya:

I've actually found that most of the trouble I've had with mythtv stems from the remote configuration

[16:12:36]

Dagmar:

Well, limper anyway

[16:12:36]

Kevorkian:

epg ?

[16:13:10]

Kevorkian:

electronic program guide .. ok ..

[16:13:21]

juski:

anyway if tivo is so good, why is mythtv so popular?

[16:13:23]

Kevorkian:

why do you feel that someone should not get paid for the guide info ?

[16:13:31]

Dagmar:

You can also feel good in knowing that your hard-won dollars are being spent on lawyers who painstakingly negotiate which features of the machine you'll lose over time, and in what order

[16:13:37]

prg3 (prg3!n=prg3@nanowww.cein.ualberta.ca) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[16:14:18]

Dagmar:

Kevorkian: What TV station doesn't _want_ people to know about their programming schedule?

[16:14:19]

Kevorkian:

what features has tivo lost ?

[16:14:39]

Dagmar:

You can't watch commercials if you don't know when the shows that are embedded between them are

[16:14:45]

Dagmar:

Kevorkian: Google for it

[16:15:08]

prg3 (prg3!n=prg3@nanowww.cein.ualberta.ca) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:15:20]

Dagmar:

Guide data is the one places where we can be *quite* sure it's a buyer's market

[16:15:26]

juski:

anyway it doesn't matter how much of a tivo fan I am or not – you can't buy tivo in the UK any longer

[16:15:36]

tzanger:

woowoo DVB-S2 NIMs came in

[16:16:36]

jimbalaya (jimbalaya!n=Miranda@69.95.215.38) has left #mythtv-users (""Back to work"")

[16:16:36]

Kevorkian:

yea Dagmar for the INFO itself .. not having it matianed in a format for that recorder.

[16:16:38]

juski:

so just how much do you pay for the privilege of owning a tivo anyway?

[16:17:20]

Kevorkian:

The last one I bought .. they gave it away. with a 1 year sub.

[16:17:36]

Kevorkian:

just like a cell phone.

[16:17:52]

juski:

so you pay for it & all it can do is record tv. that's pretty limiting :)

[16:18:14]

Kevorkian:

not really.

[16:18:17]

juski:

anyway point is – for those who want tivo, there's tivo!

[16:18:29]

simcop2387-tv (simcop2387-tv!n=myth@p3m/member/simcop2387) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:18:29]

juski:

for those who want a versatile reliable pvr, there's mythtv

[16:18:32]

Kevorkian:

but that is its main function.

[16:18:44]

juski:

you can avoid the hassle by paying

[16:18:47]

Dagmar:

Kevorkian: No one has to 'maintain' raw data anymore. Catch up to the year 2000

[16:18:55]

stuarta (stuarta!n=stuarta@unaffiliated/stuarta) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:18:55]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuarta

[16:19:05]

Kevorkian:

but for thoes who dont want to have to talk there GF through how to watch a show .. there is tivo.

[16:19:12]

juski:

ah well, this hdd is well & truly broken

[16:19:21]

stuarta:

evening

[16:19:26]

juski:

Kevorkian: if you do your job well there's no talking through to be done

[16:19:27]

Dagmar:

HOnestly, every damn TV station out there with more than 1 hair dryer for an antenna can afford to host a website with an XML feed of their schedule

[16:19:36]

juski:

evening stuarta

[16:20:00]

juski:

if my luddite wife can operate mythtv & schedule her own recordings, it must be easy

[16:20:01]

stuarta:

did everyone hear that the BBC secured Heroes Season 2?

[16:20:13]

Dagmar:

stuarta: Only a moron wouldn't try to

[16:20:15]

Dagmar:

However...

[16:20:15]

juski:

stuarta: they did? cool! before $ly ?

[16:20:22]

stuarta:

they are showing season 1 in the summer

[16:20:24]

Kevorkian:

ok . Dagmar now you ahve to know what chans you have .. when that format changes .. when the site changes .. when the page name of the data changes ..

[16:20:29]

Dagmar:

There's still serious question as to whether or not there will actually _be_ a season 2

[16:20:35]

gbee:

stuarta: just heard that, in here, about 30 seconds ago

[16:20:38]

juski:

BBC loses Neighbours, gains heroes.. nift!

[16:20:51]

stuarta:

well they've shelled out 400k per episode

[16:21:05]

juski:

when are they losing Eastenders, Holby, Dr Who, Torchwood?

[16:21:20]

stuarta:

i would've told everyone yesterday, but i was down the pub :)

[16:21:27]

juski:

400k per episode?! feck

[16:21:30]

Dagmar:

Kevorkian: Stop now. You have zero knowledege of that which you are attempting to speak of. XML's "format" does not change. Site changes do not affect a freaking XML file. As to the last bit, only a moron *hides* their XML feed

[16:21:49]

Dagmar:

juski: DIE

[16:22:01]

Dagmar:

Dr. Who and Torchwood must be protected

[16:22:08]

zambaroo:

the magic word, dude

[16:22:12]

Dagmar:

WIthout them, most of the US wouldn't mind if you guys sank like Atlantis

[16:22:19]

juski:

oh come on. Dr Poo has been crap so far this series

[16:22:48]

Dagmar:

It's only halfway through. They're still practically doing character development

[16:23:20]

Kevorkian:

wow .. you really are an idiot .. its not JUST the data. its having that data in a format that can be used .. and the right data. can you get it for FREE if you want to spend the time to keep up on it .. YES .. but for the people that dont want to spend a few hours a month .. or every six months .. or whatever .. they can just apy.

[16:23:30]

Dagmar:

THey're going to need more than just three ominous references to Mr. Saxon if they're setting him up as an endgame player

[16:24:14]

Dagmar:

Kevorkian: You are attempting to lecture someone who has been distributing data on the internet since before there was animated pornography to be found on it

[16:24:19]

juski:

IMHO some of the monsters would work better if you saw _less_ of them :)

[16:24:31]

Kevorkian:

and your point is ?

[16:24:35]

zambaroo:

Dagmar, you drew ascii pron?!

[16:24:38]

juski:

and the plots – keep RTD the hell away from the scripts!

[16:24:42]

juski:

anyhoo

[16:24:47]

Dagmar:

My point is that you don't have the first actual clue about how easy it is to set up a simple XML feed

[16:25:47]

Kevorkian:

Yes , I do .. im not talking about setting up an xml feed .. im talking about puting a box in a house pluging it in .. and having it WORK .. and keep on working .. not having to understand whats going on behind it.

[16:25:55]

Kevorkian:

thats what people pay tivo for.

[16:26:02]

Dagmar:

XML is an open format. Practically gaping. Arguing that it might change is about as dim as arguing that you shouldn't use Firefox because HTML might change and break it.

[16:26:42]

Dagmar:

Kevorkian: Good show of changing the subject without warning

[16:26:55]

Kevorkian:

the xml "format" is just like html .. the way the data itself is stored can change

[16:27:12]

Kevorkian:

but thats not even the point ..

[16:27:15]

stuarta:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/heroes/

[16:27:23]

Dagmar:

No it's not because I was only talking about guide data

[16:27:32]

Dagmar:

I could give two craps about the rest

[16:27:41]

stuarta:

i do however wish they would say more than "coming this summer"

[16:27:54]

xris:

Kevorkian: if by "just like html" you mean "looks similar to the casual observer", then that statement might be true.

[16:28:13]

juski:

bbc site says there are 22 parts, yet I've seen that there are 23 parts elsewhere

[16:28:18]

Kevorkian:

the guide data .. ok .. now you need to figure out what stations you get .. now figure out the web address of each station .. the url of the xml file on each site.

[16:28:31]

juski:

stuarta: august-ish, on good authority

[16:28:33]

Dagmar:

juski: THey may be considering the first episode to be two episodes

[16:28:48]

stuarta:

23 would be 22 eps + 1 pilot

[16:29:05]

Dagmar:

Until they gimme a reasonably priced DVD I am in the process of slowly transcoding all 22 recordings I have.

[16:29:09]

Dagmar:

I am quite sure I didn't miss any

[16:29:24]

jshaffer (jshaffer!n=john@tx-71-48-166-227.dyn.embarqhsd.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:29:25]

Dagmar:

Freaking 33Gb

[16:30:20]

juski:

ah well. in the bin the shitty little ebay ex-mp3 player goes

[16:30:58]

juski:

fell onto carpeted floor twice in its short little life. broken forever

[16:31:28]

stuarta:

sounds like a piece of crap

[16:31:45]

juski:

was only just over a tenner

[16:32:11]

juski:

crap as an mp3 player, got some use out of it as storage for my car mp3 player :)

[16:32:19]

Dagmar:

One of those crazy little Chinese things tgh

[16:32:32]

juski:

ran linux

[16:32:39]

purserj (purserj!n=purserj@k-sit.com) has quit (Connection timed out)

[16:32:49]

SpaceBass:

hey folks...

[16:33:34]

juski:

jees. it has no less than 3 crystals on the board

[16:33:53]

juski:

12mhz for the usb

[16:34:22]

SpaceBass:

audio

[16:34:33]

SpaceBass:

will Myth work as a solution for me?

[16:34:35]

juski:

12mhz for its cpu aaand unknown for something else

[16:36:29]

xris:

SpaceBass: it could work, yes

[16:37:29]

SpaceBass:

xris, thats good enough for me :)

[16:37:57]

SpaceBass:

I've been reading and playing...but it seemed more geared towards a DVR than a distributed playback system

[16:38:01]

** stuarta wants a SAN **

[16:38:14]

stuarta:

SpaceBass: it is both

[16:38:14]

xris:

SpaceBass: it's geared toward being a distributed dvr

[16:38:16]

juski:

plan! I have a spare CF card I can test the board with :)

[16:38:19]

SpaceBass:

cool

[16:38:35]

SpaceBass:

I need to read up on how to point it to my video directory now

[16:38:36]

stuarta:

multiple frontends

[16:38:40]

juski:

aynd it seems to be the board what is banjoed :)

[16:38:42]

SpaceBass:

which is perfect

[16:38:45]

xris:

SpaceBass: the interface is centered around the dvr stuff, but if you don't record tv, you can remove that stuff from the UI (the themes are just xml)

[16:38:50]

xris:

SpaceBass: you want mythvideo

[16:38:56]

stuarta:

and NFS

[16:39:27]

stuarta:

have we made mythvideo stream from the backend yet?

[16:39:44]

stevenh (stevenh!n=lews@65.167.23.2) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:40:20]

SpaceBass:

so it should be possible to have the backend run on a different server than the file server?

[16:40:25]

SpaceBass:

will it peroidically re-index

[16:40:39]

stuarta:

it is indeed possible

[16:40:52]

SpaceBass:

time to start reading

[16:41:00]

bwallen_ (bwallen_!n=bwallen@n119s038.bbr1.shentel.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:41:03]

bwallen_ is now known as JoeyJoeJo

[16:41:11]

stuarta:

re-index as in find new recording you've put on the fileserver?

[16:41:16]

mikeones (mikeones!n=user@adsl-76-203-163-46.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:41:25]

mikeones:

hello

[16:41:27]

SpaceBass:

stuarta, yeah

[16:41:39]

stuarta:

SpaceBass: it's a manual process atm.

[16:41:45]

SpaceBass:

lets hypothetically say that there is a bit torrent / rss thing going on there

[16:41:56]

SpaceBass:

can it be cron'ed?

[16:42:03]

mikeones:

anyone use mythweb svn and have gotten the flash streaming to work?

[16:42:07]

JoeyJoeJo:

I just got an HDTV and I'm outputting to if from my video card at 1080i. The only problem is that when I go into watch recordings, the text is so big that it gets cut off everywhere. How can I change the text size in watch recordings?

[16:42:20]

stuarta:

SpaceBass: erm, no.

[16:42:31]

stuarta:

mikeones: you probably haven't install ffmpeg

[16:42:32]

juski:

run X at 100DPI for one thing

[16:42:41]

juski:

install the fonts the theme needs for another

[16:42:44]

gbee:

mikeones: have you got ffmpeg installed on the webserver?

[16:43:02]

mikeones:

it is and with mp3 support. I thinks its the trancoding.

[16:43:11]

JoeyJoeJo:

juski: were you talking to me?

[16:43:51]

jshaffer (jshaffer!n=john@tx-71-48-166-227.dyn.embarqhsd.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[16:44:01]

juski:

no I was talking to SpaceGhost

[16:44:08]

JoeyJoeJo:

ok, sorry

[16:44:47]

mikeones:

gbee: does the show have to be transcoded first as a user job to be streamed?

[16:44:53]

gbee:

no

[16:45:12]

gbee:

it's done on the fly by ffmpeg

[16:45:17]

mikeones:

I just get a blank scree and the orogress bar does not move.

[16:45:28]

mikeones:

*progress

[16:45:40]

mikeones:

*screen

[16:45:43]

juski:

stuarta: that lg monitor is under 200 squids now :)

[16:45:59]

stuarta:

nice

[16:46:20]

juski:

pay day tomorrow :D

[16:47:59]

mikeones:

gbee: and my webpage just says connecting...

[16:48:25]

** stuarta expects juski to be ordering a new monitor tomorrow **

[16:49:01]

juski:

ordering? collecting more likes I reckon

[16:49:20]

stuarta:

:)

[16:49:32]

someninjamaster (someninjamaster!n=jamesric@74.93.113.209) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:50:20]

hume (hume!n=magnus@h94n3c1o1100.bredband.skanova.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:51:41]

hume:

hi...i have mythtv 0.20 (ubuntu feisty) – can I add disk space by symlinking in another hdd? (mounted for instace at /media/disk-1)

[16:51:51]

juski:

hume: nope

[16:52:20]

juski:

not until storage groups come along in 0.21

[16:52:26]

hume:

cause it does not look in subfolders, or does not foolow symlinks?

[16:52:49]

hume:

it needs to be one folder?

[16:53:06]

mikeones:

stuarts: ffmpeg is in /usr/bin/ffmpeg

[16:53:15]

juski:

I think it'll follow symlinks but I don't think you can symlink more than one thing to the same location

[16:53:48]

juski:

hume: watch more, keep less :)

[16:53:50]

mikeones:

could it be that I am using https only?

[16:53:59]

hume:

i meant symlinking it as a subfolder, like /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/disk-1

[16:54:08]

juski:

hume: that won't work

[16:54:11]

hume:

juski, :)..i'll tell my wife that

[16:54:17]

stuarta:

right, i'm off to hack the windows install on this machine, so i can run it under vmware :)

[16:54:32]

kslater:

.20 writes to A location

[16:54:34]

stuarta (stuarta!n=stuarta@unaffiliated/stuarta) has quit ("leaving")

[16:54:48]

hume:

ok...so I migrate to the new hdd instead. should I move the full /var/lib/mythtv, or just the recordings folder? the new one is xfs

[16:54:51]

kslater:

you can have all the subfolders you want under there

[16:55:46]

hume:

kslater, ehr? so why would not my symlinked subfolder disk-1 work?

[16:56:18]

kslater:

I didn't say myth would write anything in the sub folders, just that you can make as many as you want

[16:56:40]

kslater:

look at the field in mythtv setup

[16:56:42]

hume:

but myth wont write to them?

[16:56:45]

zambaroo:

cant stream w/vlc

[16:56:47]

kslater:

it'

[16:56:57]

kslater:

it's a location, not a list of locations

[16:57:30]

kslater:

hence juski's comment about the coming storage groups functionality

[16:58:12]

hume:

klsater, ok, so "one location, one folder" it is. so how much of the /var/lib/mythtv should i move to the new xfs drive? all of it or just "recordings?

[16:58:28]

GreyFoxx:

zambaroo: V doesn't understand themyth protocol

[16:58:30]

hume:

does it matter?

[16:58:35]

kslater:

again, that's your call I guess. If it was me I'd just move recordings

[16:58:42]

hume:

ok, thx

[16:58:55]

GreyFoxx:

and very possibly wouldn't undersdtand the m version of the .nuv

[16:58:55]

zambaroo:

GreyFoxx, oh

[16:59:49]

juski:

Gad! mythtvtalk.com maybe 3 years old now, but its members don't seem to get any wiser

[17:00:42]

mikeones:

does the mythweb streamer work with .nuv files or do they need to be transcoded 1st?

[17:01:10]

juski:

hume: mount the new hdd to a temp place. copy the current recordings using rsync to the new hdd. then mount the new hdd to /var/lib/mythtv/recordings or so

[17:01:49]

juski:

or change the storage location & copy over the current recordings.. the 1st option will be easier

[17:02:54]

hume:

juski, right, i am doing that, but using cp, not rsync.....?

[17:02:58]

zambaroo:

copy the recordings, repartition the old drive, configure lvm, copy the recordings to the new lvm volume, add the new drive to the volume

[17:03:27]

juski:

cp isn't as reliable as you might think

[17:03:30]

hume:

zambaroo, if I wanted lvm...:)

[17:03:34]

hume:

juski, ok

[17:04:05]

zambaroo:

hume, why not? adding space becomes easy.

[17:04:26]

hume:

zambaroo, targeting storage groups instead

[17:04:34]

hume:

very soon

[17:04:34]

kslater:

zambaroo: many view lvm over raw drives to be an easy way to compound your chances of disk failure in the future

[17:04:54]

zambaroo:

kslater, raw drives can be used w/mythtv?

[17:05:06]

kslater:

raw devices under lvm

[17:05:19]

zambaroo:

ohoh, sorry, misread that

[17:06:40]

zambaroo:

tell me of those storage groups then

[17:07:02]

Beirdo:

ewww, why is there golf on my TV?!

[17:07:07]

JoeyJoeJo:

I just switched to 1080i output on my frontend, and now the font in the program guide, listen to music, watch recordings, watch videos and play games is GIANT. How can I set the size of those fonts?

[17:07:24]

mikeones:

will mythweb automaticlly encode a .mpg with ffmpeg for straeming?

[17:09:33]

onixian (onixian!n=xian@89-96-28-147.ip10.fastwebnet.it) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[17:10:01]

juski:

mikeones: not unless you're running SVN head!

[17:10:05]

juski:

muhahahaha

[17:10:27]

Beirdo:

OK, my IRC server domU will be the first victim

[17:12:07]

** zambaroo checks out svn head **

[17:12:14]

zambaroo:

juski, any pointers?

[17:13:19]

mikeones:

juski: rev 13497

[17:16:18]

nero (nero!n=nero@unaffiliated/nero) has quit (Nick collision from services.)

[17:16:38]

nero__ (nero__!n=nero@pool-71-168-231-63.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:17:06]

bluey-:

anyone knows a nice htpc case?

[17:18:03]

someninjamaster (someninjamaster!n=jamesric@74.93.113.209) has left #mythtv-users ("Leaving")

[17:20:31]

juski:

mikeones: SVN head! not 0.20-fixes

[17:20:31]

mIRCat (mIRCat!n=chatzill@213-40.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[17:21:53]

mikeones:

juski: http://cvs.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv ??

[17:22:11]

mikeones:

is that 0.20-fixes?

[17:22:46]

Xanium (Xanium!n=James@84-51-133-69.logicl442.adsl.metronet.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:22:51]

Xanium:

hi all!

[17:24:29]

xris:

bluey-: depends on how much you want to spend

[17:24:34]

xris:

and what form factor you're looking at.

[17:25:03]

bluey-:

well for about 100€

[17:25:19]

ectospasm (ectospasm!n=ectospas@adsl-0-160-42.mob.bellsouth.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[17:25:21]

bluey-:

in mini atx :/

[17:25:35]

Bazil_ (Bazil_!i=user@84.218.42.75) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:25:38]

Bazil_ (Bazil_!i=user@84.218.42.75) has left #mythtv-users ()

[17:25:53]

juski:

mikeones: ok so read the -commits list & -dev list, then you'll know what that version can do :)

[17:27:13]

mikeones:

juski: so am I on 0.21 or 0.20-fixes?

[17:28:42]

xris:

bluey-: there's no such thing as mini-atx

[17:28:46]

xris:

micro-atx or mini-itx

[17:29:00]

juski:

if it's not immediately obvious that you're running trunk then erm..

[17:29:45]

bluey-:

yeah ofc micro-atx... thought it was the same

[17:30:48]

hadees (hadees!n=hadees@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/hadees) has quit (Connection timed out)

[17:31:21]

juski:

btw uk peeps – don't wanna alarm anybody but I can't have been the only person to be shocked by the number of dead birds I saw along the road home tonight :-O

[17:32:35]

xris:

bluey-: I don't know of any stores in the eu.. and there's not much in that price range even in the US.. most of the really cool htpc cases are $150–300 without psu.

[17:33:05]

juski:

bluey-: mini-itx.com/store

[17:33:10]

juski:

itxwarehouse.com or so

[17:33:21]

juski:

overclockers.co.uk

[17:33:31]

Squid (Squid!n=Squid@24.67.96.131) has quit ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com")

[17:33:38]

juski:

hittay onay thay google-ay

[17:33:41]

Squid (Squid!n=Squid@24.67.96.131) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:34:38]

psofa (psofa!n=psofa@ppp43-102.adsl.forthnet.gr) has quit ()

[17:35:09]

stuarta (stuarta!n=stuarta@unaffiliated/stuarta) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:35:10]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuarta

[17:38:32]

directhex (directhex!n=directhe@bb-87-82-5-35.ukonline.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:41:39]

Xanium:

xris: know of any decent Full ATX cases?

[17:41:50]

tzanger:

full atx? I like the asus ones

[17:41:53]

Xanium:

I saw Zalman's HD160, which looks cool

[17:41:58]

Xanium:

but it's a little pricey

[17:42:06]

tzanger:

black, thumbscrews, I dunno

[17:42:16]

xris:

Xanium: not for media center stuff, no. but I honestly haven't looked much.

[17:42:21]

Xanium:

Silverstone LC16M doesn't really have much space inside, and I don't like the look of any of the others

[17:42:24]

xris:

I can't justify paying more than $100 for case+psu for mythtv

[17:42:35]

Xanium:

k no probs.

[17:42:53]

** xris forgets the url for the store with all of that sort of stuff. **

[17:43:06]

xris:

I've just been looking at a cube-shaped microatx case from newegg.. from apevia

[17:43:24]

Xanium:

hmm

[17:43:45]

Xanium:

persoanly don't like cube's, to me they're not very space efficient

[17:44:22]

xris:

same here.

[17:44:59]

xris:

but I don't like the "htpc device" shaped ones, either, since they may look front-on like they fit, but they're always about 10 inches deeper than anything else, which means they have to go on the bottom of a stack (making maintenance difficult)

[17:45:22]

Xanium:

I don't have any other HTPC equipment

[17:45:32]

Xanium:

so my old silverstone lc-11m (microatx)

[17:45:35]

Xanium:

was perfect

[17:45:38]

xris:

not even a dvd player or vcr?

[17:45:45]

Xanium:

myth replaced everything

[17:45:47]

xris:

ah

[17:46:02]

Xanium:

VCR, long gone in my house. DVD, myth can do

[17:46:07]

xris:

yeah. I have dvd and receiver (although I hope to replae the dvd player with a wii if/when they get dvd support this fall)

[17:46:41]

stuarta:

ooo, mine xp is booting under vmware...

[17:46:49]

Xanium:

our tv's mounted on a wallbracket in the corner of our room, and the case just sits on the floor underneah it

[17:47:08]

Xanium:

it's wood floor, so it doesn't look that bad

[17:47:18]

Xanium:

just hiding cables is difficult

[17:48:57]

xris:

heh

[17:49:15]

xris:

stuarta: I finally had to do that a few weeks ago to look at mythwb in IE.

[17:49:26]

xris:

going to do vista, too, now that I'll actually have a legit copy.

[17:49:55]

stuarta:

yeah, i've just booted my other disk drive under vmware, fun and games :)

[17:50:15]

Xanium:

is vmware comercial?

[17:50:24]

stuarta:

sadly the vmware virtual machine is so different to the normal hardware it needs to reactivate.

[17:50:38]

stuarta:

Xanium: yes and no

[17:50:44]

Xanium:

okay....

[17:51:07]

stuarta:

you can get some free bits, ie, player, server & converter

[17:51:10]

Beirdo:

yay. got my first ldap-authenticting host

[17:51:12]

Beirdo:

:)

[17:51:14]

zambaroo:

hm head compilation fails with a nice motion_est_template.c:413: error: can't find a register in class 'GENERAL_REGS' while reloading 'asm'

[17:51:18]

stuarta:

which is enough for most ppl

[17:51:20]

zambaroo:

something about libav it doesnt like

[17:51:29]

Xanium:

what part is comercial

[17:51:32]

stuarta:

but the really cool enterprise stuff you gotta pay for

[17:51:39]

Xanium:

ah okay

[17:52:01]

xris:

Xanium: free as in beer

[17:52:03]

directhex:

i was surprised at just how deep a big AV receiver is, i.e. not any moreso than a well-designed full ATX case

[17:52:15]

directhex:

Beirdo, was my doc of any help?

[17:52:25]

Beirdo:

directhex, yes, thanks

[17:52:39]

directhex:

good good

[17:52:39]

Beirdo:

between that and the ubuntu help page, got it workin nicely

[17:57:02]

mikeones:

ffmpeg streamer only works here through http and not https! ;)

[17:58:06]

kali67 (kali67!n=kali67@64-166-248-25.ded.pacbell.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:59:37]

Dagmar:

Gosh looks like you forgot to link ffmpeg to libssl

[17:59:51]

Dagmar:

Oh, and write the patch that does it

[18:03:10]

jimbalaya (jimbalaya!n=Miranda@69.95.215.38) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:06:44]

Xanium:

anybody know what audio formats can be sent down a HDMI cable

[18:06:52]

Xanium:

I think it's just uncompressed PCM

[18:06:56]

Xanium:

but I could be wrong

[18:07:25]

Xanium:

(just bought a nvidia 7600 w/ hdmi out and wondering what ALSA settings I'll need to adjust)

[18:08:03]

directhex:

you're wrong

[18:08:12]

Xanium:

what is it

[18:09:09]

Zider:

HDMI? I thought that was only video

[18:09:20]

Xanium:

HDMi can carry audio as well

[18:09:22]

kslater:

DVI is video only

[18:09:26]

Xanium:

fine

[18:09:29]

Zider:

ahh

[18:09:31]

Xanium:

sry

[18:09:32]

kslater:

HDMI couples audio to the video

[18:09:34]

Zider:

mixed them up :)

[18:09:48]

Xanium:

1min

[18:10:11]

Xanium:

wat about hdmi < 1.3

[18:10:31]

Xanium:

I thought it would only take pcm as that meant backwards compatability in the future would be good

[18:10:35]

clever:

can i put a hostname under the 'master backend ip' field?

[18:10:54]

GreyFoxx:

clever: Nope

[18:10:57]

clever:

k

[18:11:10]

xris (xris!n=xris@xris.forevermore.net) has quit ("Leaving.")

[18:11:13]

clever:

no gethostbyname call?

[18:11:21]

Xanium:

When the card arrives (tomorrow), I just hook up the spdif from my mobo to my gfx card

[18:11:22]

GreyFoxx:

nope

[18:11:23]

directhex:

V1.0 – two-channel PCM audio up to 48kHz/24-bit including standard Dolby 5.1 and DTS 5.1 bitstreams.

[18:11:24]

directhex:

V1.1 – up to 8-channel PCM audio up to 192kHz/24-bit.

[18:11:24]

directhex:

V1.2 – as V1.1, plus DSD audio (for SACD) at 1.824Gb/s.

[18:11:24]

directhex:

V1.3 – (proposed) as above, plus Dolby Digital+ and DTS-HD enhanced audio.

[18:11:32]

directhex:

whoops, that was a bit too much to paste

[18:11:32]

clever:

i'll just feed the vpn ip in then

[18:12:11]

Xanium:

directhex: wow, thanks

[18:12:18]

Xanium:

so it shud pretty much take anything

[18:12:22]

directhex:

1.2 is most common

[18:12:44]

Xanium:

so I can use AC3 passthru feature of myth

[18:13:02]

directhex:

yes

[18:13:19]

Xanium:

never heard of 8-chanel pcm

[18:13:27]

Xanium:

can ALSA output that

[18:13:35]

clever:

GreyFoxx: that setting seems to make the 'laptop' use a diff ip for the master backend

[18:13:40]

directhex:

surround71 'cards.pcm.surround71'

[18:13:47]

directhex:

Xanium, take the above as a yes

[18:13:53]

Xanium:

k

[18:14:04]

clever:

which lets me make certain frontends use the vpn network since they arent on the lan

[18:14:45]

xris (xris!n=xris@xris.forevermore.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:14:45]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris

[18:14:47]

Xanium:

when I sed 'can ALSA output that' I meant over spdif

[18:14:51]

Xanium:

I know about analouge

[18:14:56]

Xanium:

I'm using it right now :P

[18:16:31]

Xanium:

does the same answer still apply?

[18:16:52]

directhex:

probably. i don't use surround or digital

[18:17:00]

Dagmar:

Okay, in the music-ui.xml I see a container type with a fill attribute for the volume control graphic

[18:17:05]

clever:

i have spdif out but nothing with an in

[18:17:09]

Xanium:

yeh I don't actually ahve surround on my tele, would just like to know

[18:18:54]

Xanium:

I'll mess with it anyway when it arrives...

[18:19:33]

stuarta:

sigh, now windows wants reactivation... may as well delete the bloody thing

[18:19:49]

Xanium:

why can't u activate it?

[18:20:03]

directhex:

stuarta, if it's legit. you COULD reactivate it. if you wanted to

[18:20:11]

stuarta:

it is legit

[18:20:18]

stuarta:

it claims the key is invalid

[18:20:24]

Xanium:

how many times u reactivated before

[18:20:27]

stuarta:

1

[18:20:32]

directhex:

stuarta, generally speaking, this is why i love drm and activation – they do a far betetr job of turning people off proprietary nonsense than i could

[18:20:35]

Dagmar:

YOu had an OEM key didn't you

[18:20:42]

stuarta:

yup

[18:20:48]

opello:

heh, then you have to call in

[18:20:51]

Dagmar:

...and you're no longer using that hardware

[18:20:59]

stuarta:

well i am.

[18:21:06]

opello:

Dagmar: he could have reinstalled and lost SLP

[18:21:06]

Dagmar:

...which generally means that the licence is now invalid.

[18:21:08]

Xanium:

just under vmware

[18:21:49]

stuarta:

so because i've previously installed it with that key. i can't reinstall it?

[18:21:56]

Dagmar:

The thing that gets most people is that when they buy a computer pre-made with Windows on it, the licence isn't transferable from that motherboard/CPU

[18:21:58]

fysa:

Dagmar: grep tagName src/mythtv/libs/libmyth/xmlparse.cpp

[18:22:00]

directhex:

stuarta, that's the licensing terms

[18:22:28]

directhex:

stuarta, OEM licneses are bound to the motherboard of the first system they're installed into. in licensing terms. in practice you can get around it, but that's what's in the EULA

[18:22:30]

stuarta:

thats shit. what happens if a virus wipes out my machine?

[18:22:35]

Bazil_ (Bazil_!i=user@tn-84-218-42-75.dsl.bredbandsbolaget.se) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:22:37]

Bazil_ (Bazil_!i=user@tn-84-218-42-75.dsl.bredbandsbolaget.se) has left #mythtv-users ()

[18:22:40]

opello:

directhex: first? no.

[18:22:50]

ikonia_:

stuarta you rebuild it on the same motherboard

[18:22:51]

opello:

stuarta: same box, just reinstalled with the oem media and the oem key?

[18:22:54]

stuarta:

hmmm, wonder if it'll cope if i reboot it native.

[18:22:54]

Dagmar:

stuarta: If this is the hardware you bought the licence with still, call up and bitch at 'em

[18:22:58]

Xanium:

stuarta, a virus isn't gonna kill ur mobo

[18:23:01]

directhex:

stuarta, then you can reinstall. and you're allowed to keep the license if you have to replace the motherboard for hardware failure reasons

[18:23:11]

RaYmAn-Bx:

directhex: not entirely true. They aren't bound to the motherboard, just the hardware they were bought with..i.e. if you buy it with a mouse it's essentially the mouse it's bound to

[18:23:14]

fysa:

Dagmar: don't know if that's what you mean, but that will show you the XML tags understood by theming..

[18:23:20]

stuarta:

all i've done is boot it under vmware rather than native

[18:23:27]

ikonia_:

RaYmAn-Bx thats not the definition in the license

[18:23:31]

opello:

stuarta: which made the SLP string unavailable

[18:23:35]

ikonia_:

arse to this windows crap

[18:23:35]

directhex:

stuarta, vmware has a different motherboard to reality!

[18:23:37]

Xanium:

vmware completely changes ur hardware

[18:23:38]

RaYmAn-Bx:

ikonia_: well, they certainly accept that.

[18:23:38]

ikonia_:

can't be bothered

[18:23:39]

Xanium:

not in reality

[18:23:41]

stuarta:

so it *looks* like the hardware has changed

[18:23:45]

opello:

right

[18:23:46]

Xanium:

but because it's under emulation

[18:23:51]

opello:

SLP can't find the bios string

[18:23:53]

** stuarta knows this **

[18:23:57]

opello:

and with SLP, it 'activates' every time :p

[18:24:08]

Xanium:

is this XP

[18:24:09]

opello:

so find vmware slp files? heh

[18:24:43]

stuarta:

slp?

[18:24:46]

fysa:

stuarta: SMBIOS.reflectHost = TRUE

[18:25:01]

** stuarta tries that **

[18:25:04]

directhex:

urgh. why the bloody hell do i need to set up telephone banking to get internet banking?

[18:25:10]

fysa:

in your VMX file

[18:25:10]

Xanium:

lol

[18:25:11]

stuarta:

tho it's probably too late

[18:25:14]

Xanium:

wot bank

[18:25:20]

directhex:

hsbc

[18:25:33]

opello:

stuarta: just reboot vmware again, i imagine

[18:25:39]

Dagmar:

fysa: Good try, but unfortunately a big list of all the tags isn't entirely useful

[18:25:49]

Dagmar:

If there were a DTD this would be MUCH easier

[18:26:45]

Xanium:

directhex: to get a debit card from Natwest I had to wait for 3 seperate letters

[18:26:52]

Xanium:

one telling me my cards coming

[18:26:56]

Xanium:

1 with the card

[18:27:00]

Xanium:

and another with the pin number

[18:27:03]

Xanium:

all 3 days apart

[18:27:05]

Xanium:

eugh!

[18:27:14]

zambaroo:

for your safety

[18:27:18]

zambaroo:

not sanity

[18:27:50]

eelriver (eelriver!n=eelriver@pdpc/supporter/active/eelriver) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:27:51]

stuarta:

fysa: this is only server, not esx, so i'll see

[18:28:00]

zambaroo:

hm, head wont compile.

[18:28:06]

xris (xris!n=xris@xris.forevermore.net) has quit ("Leaving.")

[18:28:08]

clintar (clintar!n=clintar@66.236.89.130.ptr.us.xo.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:28:08]

pat_ (pat_!n=pat@cust4082.qld01.aanet.com.au) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:28:08]

fysa:

I'm pretty sure that will just tell you do do the SMBIOS stuff..

[18:28:17]

zambaroo:

something about libavcodec pisses it off

[18:28:19]

fysa:

you might be able to 'repair' your Windows installation to avoid reactivating

[18:28:25]

zambaroo:

juski, halp?

[18:28:40]

fysa:

either way, you're in a world of hurt ;)

[18:28:59]

Xanium:

zambaroo: u trying to do anything with h.264

[18:29:22]

zambaroo:

Xanium, not that i konw of, im just running a ./configure w/a prefix and then make.

[18:29:23]

stuarta:

oh well, it's still telling me to reactivate

[18:29:25]

zambaroo:

make bombs

[18:29:41]

stuarta:

quite frankly i don't give a shit if i don't get any more updates

[18:29:57]

doc|work (doc|work!n=doc@gentoo/contributor/doc-007) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:30:42]

opello:

well, whatever :p

[18:30:43]

Dagmar:

Whoops

[18:30:47]

directhex:

but that's in the license terms!

[18:30:54]

Xanium:

stuarta never had a sticker to put on the case :P

[18:30:54]

Dagmar:

VIOLATOR!

[18:30:55]

directhex:

windows licensing is fun :)

[18:30:59]

opello:

heh

[18:31:09]

stuarta:

hey i've got the sticker.

[18:31:19]

stuarta:

it's just still on the packaging for the CD

[18:31:21]

Xanium:

just messin'

[18:31:42]

stuarta:

wasn't going to defile my linux box with a windows sticker.

[18:31:46]

directhex:

bleh. the missus only starts her exercise at 7pm, because she needs to play crappy web games for an hour when she gets in, yet complains that dinner is always late

[18:31:50]

stuarta:

bad enough having it installed.

[18:32:10]

directhex:

of course if *tender loving* is, if you're gonna lock out the entire downstairs for 40 minutes just as i need to start ¬_¬

[18:32:19]

clintar (clintar!n=clintar@66.236.89.130.ptr.us.xo.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:32:19]

pat_ (pat_!n=pat@cust4082.qld01.aanet.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:32:52]

Xanium:

anybody had any experience with the mythtv-vid branch

[18:33:07]

Xanium:

thinking about testing it out with my new 7600GT

[18:33:28]

directhex:

what is it?

[18:33:49]

Xanium:

branch of mythtv with support for full opengl playback

[18:34:01]

Xanium:

so the video is scaled and processed using the vidcard

[18:34:11]

Xanium:

allows the OSD to be drawn always at full resolution

[18:34:19]

Xanium:

and allows hardware deinterlacing

[18:34:30]

directhex:

hm, i assumed it was already.

[18:34:33]

Xanium:

(like deinterlacers that actually study the image, checking wahts changed)

[18:34:42]

directhex:

and presumably that 1080 content is mpeg2, not h264

[18:34:49]

Xanium:

yeh

[18:35:10]

Xanium:

dont think codecs plays a part

[18:35:23]

Xanium:

the image (decoded) is passed to the gfc card

[18:35:29]

Xanium:

let me see if I can find the link

[18:35:32]

Xanium:

it luks gud tho

[18:35:54]

Xanium:

proper frame syncing, better scaling (apparently MUCH better), hardware deinterlacing

[18:35:57]

ikonia_ (ikonia_!n=mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) has quit ("home time")

[18:36:12]

Xanium:

and gets round the current problems with nvidia cards, 1080i video and a 1080i DVI connection

[18:36:13]

gardengnome:

what does "it luks gud" mean?

[18:36:33]

Xanium:

who sed that, me?

[18:36:42]

gardengnome:

yes

[18:36:54]

Xanium:

as in

[18:36:59]

Xanium:

the feature list is impressive

[18:37:06]

Xanium:

and image quality

[18:37:07]

gardengnome:

ah

[18:37:13]

gardengnome:

didn't know it was supposed to be english

[18:37:22]

Xanium:

the side effect is that u need a beefy graphics card

[18:37:27]

Xanium:

as it's doing all the work

[18:37:34]

Xanium:

oh and it doesn't require Xv at all

[18:37:44]

Xanium:

but u still have Brightness settings et all

[18:37:58]

Xanium:

the -vid branch has loads of other features as well

[18:38:02]

Xanium:

like better video profiles

[18:38:22]

Xanium:

(better version of the XranR functionality in current head

[18:38:33]

Xanium:

Saying all these things, but havent tried them yet

[18:38:41]

Xanium:

gotta wait till tomorrow to get the card

[18:38:52]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:38:52]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v kormoc

[18:38:55]

Xanium:

then another week (before exams are over), then I'm free to do some heavy testing

[18:39:34]

Xanium:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . eaded#221010

[18:39:38]

Xanium:

thats the start of a topic

[18:39:48]

Xanium:

but theres more features (which are unmentioned)

[18:40:05]

gbee:

someone actually read the commit messages!? didn't have a clue that all those things had gone in :)

[18:40:20]

Xanium:

sry

[18:40:23]

Xanium:

that was the wrong topic

[18:40:27]

Xanium:

let me find the right one

[18:40:43]

fysa:

ooo

[18:40:44]

Xanium:

gbee: this is in the -vid branch

[18:40:54]

gbee:

Xanium: yeah I know

[18:40:59]

fysa:

I've definitely had video quality issues with myht.

[18:41:01]

fysa:

myth.

[18:41:17]

fysa:

and that could fix them.

[18:41:24]

Xanium:

yeh well this opengl thing I thinks gonna solve alot

[18:41:29]

Xanium:

but u'll need a decent gfx card

[18:41:31]

Xanium:

specially for hd

[18:41:33]

fysa:

is the 7600GS fanless?

[18:41:43]

Xanium:

don't know

[18:41:56]

Xanium:

I know that the 7600gs can't handle 1080i deinterlacing

[18:41:58]

Xanium:

i think

[18:42:03]

Xanium:

just finding the article

[18:43:35]

opello:

'can be' fanless

[18:43:45]

fysa:

Auto-detect pull-up and apply ivtc filtering (#1778) – that's hot.

[18:43:55]

Xanium:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . eaded#248495

[18:43:57]

Xanium:

there

[18:44:01]

Xanium:

read all the replys

[18:44:03]

Xanium:

at the bottom

[18:44:12]

Dagmar:

Oh that's just *cool*

[18:44:14]

Xanium:

it'll give u a picture of what hardware requirements

[18:44:22]

Dagmar:

MythMusic's volume control doesn't do jack from last week's 0.20-fixes

[18:44:35]

Dagmar:

Up, down, doesn't matter it's all the same output volume

[18:44:44]

Xanium:

lol

[18:45:16]

doc|home (doc|home!n=doc@gentoo/contributor/doc-007) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[18:45:56]

Dagmar:

I'm guessing fleximage sets a pixmap to be either rescaled (on) or simply cropped if it's off

[18:46:07]

juski:

Dagmar: reckon so

[18:46:17]

Xanium:

fleximage?!?

[18:46:31]

Dagmar:

I'm having a hell of a time figuring out what I'm going to do about the volume widget

[18:46:31]

juski:

Xanium: theme talk

[18:46:31]

kash:

XD

[18:46:36]

Xanium:

aah

[18:46:37]

Xanium:

k

[18:46:42]

Dagmar:

I definitely can't do what I thought I was going to be able to

[18:46:51]

gbee:

Dagmar: odd, it's working in svn and I don't recall it ever being broken

[18:47:17]

Dagmar:

gbee: Well, I'm pulling another set of sources here in a minute

[18:47:23]

juski:

Dagmar: works fine here. what is it you wanna do?

[18:47:53]

gbee:

Dagmar: sure it's not just a config issue?

[18:48:17]

Dagmar:

juski; Oh, I dunno... make the music louder or quieter perhaps?

[18:48:22]

zambaroo:

what's the latest and greatest? that also compiles?

[18:48:33]

gbee:

alsa mixer device correct?

[18:48:39]

Dagmar:

I was just poking at the thing to see what the XML options resulted in on the display and realized it wasn't actually changing the volume

[18:48:48]

juski:

Dagmar: thought you were themeing it

[18:48:51]

juski:

ah

[18:49:08]

Dagmar:

I am theming it, but I gotta figure out wtf my total options are for that widget

[18:49:19]

Dagmar:

If I could just have a 2px black border on the thing I'd be set, but I can't

[18:49:36]

Dagmar:

I'm gonna "improvise" a widget

[18:49:45]

jvs (jvs!n=jvs@cm64-247.liwest.at) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[18:49:54]

juski:

Dagmar: it can't have a border

[18:50:03]

Dagmar:

I've noticed

[18:50:13]

jvs (jvs!n=jvs@cm64-247.liwest.at) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:50:29]

juski:

you have a mask & it reveals more or less of it according to what the vol. is set to

[18:50:51]

juski:

mighty sucky, but I fail to see how else it could've been done other than a plain fill

[18:51:09]

juski:

apart from an actual _slider_..

[18:51:11]

Xanium:

ok gtg for tea

[18:51:13]

juski:

woo now there's an idea!

[18:51:15]

Xanium:

bi all

[18:51:18]

Xanium (Xanium!n=James@84-51-133-69.logicl442.adsl.metronet.co.uk) has quit ("Leaving")

[18:51:38]

Dagmar:

juski: I dunno. The MePo guy probably knows how to make it pulse and show thumbnailed porn with pinstripes

[18:51:48]

juski:

let's have a volume slider, a pitch slider, a 'karaoke' button :-P

[18:51:52]

Dagmar:

There's clearly a lot of crap that can be done beyond what is known

[18:52:03]

juski:

Dagmar: yeah. use the source etc

[18:52:31]

juski:

I don't know even half of what I need to know to work out wth is going on in the source wr.t. theme stuff

[18:52:48]

Dagmar:

Half of it isn't even IN the themeing code

[18:52:53]

juski:

there's all kinds of inheritance stuff going on, that I do know

[18:53:03]

Dagmar:

YEah except for fonts

[18:53:09]

Dagmar:

The one place where inheritance would be useful

[18:53:18]

juski:

and reading it in one editor at a time doesn't give you a clue of the big picture

[18:53:40]

juski:

when more of the UI is rewritten it'll be a lot better

[18:54:32]

juski:

bah if only meaning well was enough. I'd have done it by now

[18:55:04]

Dagmar:

Ah okay

[18:55:11]

Dagmar:

THis is Yet Another Retarded ALSA issue

[18:55:22]

Dagmar:

Apparently 'master' has no effect on the rear and surround output

[18:55:26]

gbee:

getting a list of the different containers, elements and accepted values would be a good place to start – once that's all down on paper (or the wiki) you can probably learn a bit by experimenting

[18:55:29]

Dagmar:

Jesus

[18:56:32]

juski:

like there's some movement stuff in the code.. who knows what that does yet?

[18:57:13]

Dagmar:

Christ I might as well go back to trying to make the integrated sound chipset work properly

[18:57:29]

Dagmar:

I can't believe the Master control isn't behaving like a Master control

[18:57:46]

juski:

what there'd ideally be when more of the mythui stuff is done, is an example xml file (or files) showing off the new stuff

[18:58:08]

juski:

this is part of the reason why I want to be more in the thick of things

[18:59:47]

juski:

er.. guys?! Trac detected an internal error:

[18:59:47]

juski:

OperationalError: database is locked

[19:00:09]

Dagmar:

eek!

[19:00:12]

zambaroo:

[19:00:49]

jvs (jvs!n=jvs@cm64-247.liwest.at) has quit ("Leaving")

[19:02:57]

zambaroo:

20-fixes wont build either.

[19:05:25]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[19:05:49]

immolo (immolo!n=immolo@cpc3-cosh1-0-0-cust1001.cos2.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:07:19]

juski:

oh ffs is this damn machine ever going to be able to enumerate external HDDs again?!

[19:07:30]

juski:

have I tried rebooting? hmm.. no!

[19:08:46]

immolo:

ah juski you would know have you heard of an 'updated' freeview box coming out so you can get more free channels

[19:08:55]

immolo:

or is it just sales talk for topup tv?

[19:10:20]

gbee:

never heard of such a thing – guessing, if anything, that it would be someone selling freesat or iptv rather than anything to do with freeview

[19:11:02]

juski:

immolo: sounds like BS from DS

[19:11:12]

immolo:

well the box just looks like a normal freeview box to me

[19:11:33]

juski:

link?

[19:11:42]

immolo:

just some sales guy

[19:11:50]

immolo:

selling a box

[19:12:00]

juski:

could be the pukey "topuptv active" which doesn't get you anything extra for free

[19:12:21]

immolo:

thats what I thought

[19:12:33]

immolo:

but my box even gets that

[19:12:41]

juski:

i.e. it's NOT freeview

[19:12:49]

jimbalaya (jimbalaya!n=Miranda@69.95.215.38) has quit ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org")

[19:13:04]

juski:

I'm very much up to speed with UK TV developments, and never have I heard about such a box

[19:13:33]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris

[19:13:40]

immolo:

well its suppose to be on the market and if no here knows about it I'm guessing its just crap

[19:13:54]

juski:

Del Boy's market?

[19:14:06]

juski:

you can get Freeview, with a Freeview box

[19:14:10]

immolo:

Comet

[19:14:14]

juski:

you can get extra channels with a TUTV box

[19:14:40]

immolo:

I know about that

[19:14:42]

juski:

if it's extra on terrestrial over & above what's on freeview, it's not free

[19:14:54]

juski:

it might very well be BT vision

[19:15:01]

juski:

but that isn't over the air

[19:15:08]

juski:

it's lamer than lame IPTV

[19:15:35]

juski:

oh thanks windows.. I can format an external HDD as NTFS or NTFS

[19:15:40]

juski:

cheers ya c***

[19:15:52]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:15:52]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v kormoc

[19:15:53]

immolo:

you just download movies with BT vision though right

[19:16:09]

juski:

not AFAIK.. they do 'live' tv aswell I think

[19:16:25]

immolo:

juski- there is a program in the system32 folder call diskmgr or something that lets you do fat32 formats

[19:16:48]

juski:

immolo: yeah but prolly not over 32GB.

[19:16:55]

perlmonkey (perlmonkey!n=perlmonk@82-37-57-50.cable.ubr04.brom.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:16:55]

immolo:

yeah

[19:16:56]

juski:

I'll use my linux box instead

[19:16:59]

juski:

:)

[19:17:01]

perlmonkey:

greetings

[19:17:09]

immolo:

I did it with a 120G the other day

[19:17:16]

juski:

perlmonkey: you got the thingy yet?

[19:17:21]

immolo:

but yeah linux box :P

[19:17:48]

perlmonkey:

juski: ya, thanks :D I missed the delivery but i managed to get it

[19:18:37]

perlmonkey:

I finally go frontend working across wifi using laptop, had to buy another laptop tho heh

[19:19:09]

Dagmar:

I've nbever had a problem

[19:19:26]

perlmonkey:

only problem is it does "NVP: prebuffering pause" alot

[19:19:49]

clever:

my wifi B can handle standard def mpeg4 framegrabber tv

[19:20:15]

perlmonkey:

i also noticed VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed

[19:20:56]

juski:

hahaha I just fdisked the firewire external HDD right.. assumed it was blank.. there's a blimmin FAT on there already

[19:20:59]

juski:

lol

[19:21:09]

stuarta:

that's normal

[19:21:11]

clever:

my 80gig 'brand new' drive i got

[19:21:18]

clever:

had ntfs and 20gig of data on it

[19:21:25]

juski:

rahhly?

[19:21:29]

clever:

including 8gig of music

[19:21:35]

clever:

tons of personal videos/pics

[19:21:38]

clever:

and several games

[19:21:53]

perlmonkey:

phew

[19:22:40]

zambaroo:

ppl do dumb things eh

[19:23:30]

clever:

we saved the music and games:P

[19:24:32]

clever:

im trying to figure out whats not working with mythweb's streaming video

[19:25:24]

juski:

oh ffs can ubunut not mount fat32 rw ?

[19:25:47]

juski:

apparently it can, so why can't I write to it?

[19:26:13]

fysa:

it may need to be fsck'd?

[19:26:25]

clever:

root?

[19:26:30]

juski:

I just made a new fs on it

[19:27:05]

fysa:

USB?

[19:27:23]

fysa:

oh, you made a fs. so it's not a write-lock on the adapter/device?

[19:27:37]

juski:

shouldn't be

[19:28:03]

juski:

if it was write locked I'd not be able to mk2fs.vfat on it

[19:28:09]

juski:

shirley ...

[19:28:23]

fysa:

indeed

[19:28:58]

juski:

ah

[19:28:59]

juski:

noob error

[19:29:56]

juski:

mounted the hdd but wasn't being allowed to change owner of the mounted dir

[19:30:39]

gbee:

ah foo, MythImage is copying the QImage into memory then deleting the pointer >:(

[19:31:24]

perlmonkey (perlmonkey!n=perlmonk@82-37-57-50.cable.ubr04.brom.blueyonder.co.uk) has left #mythtv-users ()

[19:32:38]

janneg:

huh? where? is there another pointer?

[19:33:24]

gbee:

janneg: it's not a problem with the current code, but something which prevents my idea from working

[19:34:16]

juski:

MythHorizListButton::MythHorizListButton – ay? ;)

[19:34:43]

juski:

horizontal menus at last?

[19:34:44]

gbee:

MythImage::FromQImage deletes the pointer when it's done, meaning I can't reuse the pointers

[19:34:45]

** stuarta decides to attack the memory leak **

[19:35:38]

gbee:

I was using a QDict in LoadScaleImage to keep a list of pointers for loaded images and not re-loading images which were already in memory

[19:38:08]

juski:

lordy! how much faster is USB HDD stuff in linux than cough.. er other OS ?

[19:38:24]

juski:

copied over 8GB in er.. notmuchtime

[19:38:59]

fysa:

USB2 is relatively quick I think. 20–35MB/sec maybe?

[19:39:08]

clever:

ahhhh finaly

[19:39:13]

clever:

i removed a 2>/dev/null

[19:39:22]

clever:

thats why my flash player in mythweb is useless

[19:39:29]

juski:

firewire was way faster

[19:40:31]

fysa:

I want a portable bluetooth/802.11 1.8" drive enclosure. :)

[19:40:56]

kormoc:

fysa, if by portable you mean needs a backpack, it can be done :P

[19:41:00]

fysa:

haha

[19:42:00]

janneg:

just use a subnotebook?

[19:42:41]

fysa:

want something that will let me keep my $HOME in my pocket, and have it automagically mount on my network when I walk in the door.

[19:43:10]

fysa:

and then have the car automagically mount it when I get in, to scan for MP3s/updated maps and such

[19:43:44]

fysa:

it's all about the automagic.

[19:43:50]

tzanger:

fysa: like I have my phone do

[19:43:58]

juski:

ph wait! I thought there was animation cos of that bloody 'skipin'

[19:44:10]

tzanger:

problem's battery life of course

[19:44:19]

fysa:

are you using linux to do it?

[19:44:23]

juski:

when infact skipin has fa to do with movement.. it's just to offset an image :(

[19:44:47]

fysa:

bluez seems like a bit of a mess.

[19:45:15]

juski:

wireless USB. yay :-|

[19:45:29]

fysa:

I'd love to have my server pick up and mount my phone.. so I can nfs export it and such.

[19:45:51]

juski:

fysa that just sounds wrong ;)

[19:45:54]

fysa:

haha

[19:46:41]

fysa:

any newzbin/useneteers here?

[19:46:52]

** juski coughs **

[19:46:59]

juski:

www.juski.co.uk/jbcb.mpg

[19:47:11]

juski:

oh shoot! Ewrongwindow. big style

[19:47:24]

a5benwillis:

fysa: ya

[19:47:28]

juski:

hahaha typo. my secret file is safe :)

[19:47:49]

a5benwillis:

i got it

[19:47:53]

a5benwillis:

before you deleted it :-)

[19:48:06]

juski:

no you didn't

[19:48:10]

a5benwillis:

lol

[19:48:18]

a5benwillis:

r u sure?

[19:48:29]

juski:

it's only a cut & paste edit of southpark the movie though

[19:48:32]

a5benwillis:

better check the logs

[19:48:46]

juski:

I er.. made a couple of guys from work star in it

[19:49:42]

juski:

one was a director. you'd think I hate my job or something

[19:49:50]

fysa:

not to get too much into it here, as I realize this isn't the place, but I'm working on a fuse-based streaming nzbfs. /msg me if you'd like me to let you know when it's ready to test.

[19:50:09]

juski:

fuse? wth?

[19:50:29]

juski:

I think I'm best kept in the dark on that one

[19:50:31]

juski:

;)

[19:50:37]

Scopeuk (Scopeuk!n=Scope@dyn237207.shef.ac.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:50:38]

juski:

time for some mythtv

[19:50:42]

Zider:

filesystem in userspace

[19:50:55]

fysa:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace

[19:52:10]

Peacecore (Peacecore!i=Nice@dsl-62-3-65-45.zen.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:52:46]

Peacecore (Peacecore!i=Nice@dsl-62-3-65-45.zen.co.uk) has left #mythtv-users ()

[19:54:18]

hume (hume!n=magnus@h94n3c1o1100.bredband.skanova.com) has quit ("Leaving")

[19:55:38]

clever:

what can i do so ffmpeg doesnt give that error?

[19:58:56]

gbee:

--please

[19:59:18]

clever:

./configure --please

[19:59:19]

clever:

?:P

[19:59:24]

zambaroo:

today is not a good day for compiling. nothing builds rigjt.

[19:59:53]

clever:

bbl

[20:03:14]

Dave123 (Dave123!i=johndoe@cpe-66-67-131-67.rochester.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:05:56]

thoraxe (thoraxe!n=thoraxe@h-74-0-64-17.atlngahp.covad.net) has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]")

[20:25:31]

Beirdo:

I HATE udev

[20:26:15]

Dagmar:

bleh

[20:26:24]

Beirdo:

on my xen domUs

[20:26:24]

Dagmar:

Still no output to the rear speakers

[20:26:27]

Beirdo:

and only there

[20:26:28]

rcrit (rcrit!n=rcrit@rcrit.qis.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:26:29]

Beirdo:

:(

[20:26:39]

Dagmar:

You'd think somethign as simple as mirroring the front speakers to the rear would be something ALSA would be fine with

[20:27:17]

Squid (Squid!n=Squid@24.67.96.131) has quit ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com")

[20:29:01]

Beirdo:

anyone have a clue what "dbus" is and why I'd want it? :)

[20:29:20]

jonty_ (jonty_!n=jonty@host-84-9-144-4.bulldogdsl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:29:57]

Dagmar:

You won't need it for Myth

[20:30:05]

Dagmar:

It's needed for GNOME/KDE now, that's about it

[20:31:00]

GlemSom (GlemSom!n=GlemSom@50A2C160.flatrate.dk) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[20:31:07]

Beirdo:

ahhhh, it's on my asterisk domU.

[20:31:10]

Beirdo:

or rather... was

[20:36:08]

stuarta:

Beirdo: it's some message passing thing

[20:38:04]

Beirdo:

yeah, I don't think it's needed there :)

[20:38:22]

Beirdo:

so the perms screwyness is from a half-installed udev, it seems

[20:38:28]

Scopeuk (Scopeuk!n=Scope@dyn237207.shef.ac.uk) has quit ("Light travels faster then sound, which is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak")

[20:38:29]

Beirdo:

reinstalled it, see if it re-borks

[20:39:14]

Nik_Doof:

should XvMC via a 5200 be able to handle 1080 video?

[20:39:29]

Kevorkian:

HTH do you half install udev ?

[20:39:59]

Beirdo:

dunno

[20:40:09]

Beirdo:

dpkg -l showed it as "ic" rather than "ii"

[20:40:34]

Beirdo:

forced a reinstall :)

[20:55:42]

zambaroo:

shrug

[20:56:45]

Scuzzle:

Hi folks, anyone playing around with accessing myth from a PS3 using uPNP ?

[20:58:40]

gardengnome:

Scuzzle: i think someone in here claimed they could watch recordings using the latest ps2 firmware

[21:06:05]

directhex:

Beirdo, udev gets weird if you start it twice. symptoms are as you describe

[21:07:15]

directhex:

Scuzzle, document your actions. there's no user-level docs in myth for upnp yet

[21:08:38]

Scuzzle:

directhex: Ok, but it's a little simple at the moment, the docs say "it should work, if you're lucky", there's no settings as such, the only deciding factor so far is the version of Myth you use.

[21:09:08]

directhex:

Scuzzle, wake me when i can get my bloody xbox360 to actually see my myth machine

[21:09:30]

Scuzzle:

I'm currently peering at the source code, and packet dumps of it failing on Myth and working on Windows, but I'm new to uPNP and it's not the easiest thing to understand.

[21:10:04]

Scuzzle:

directhex: I don't have a xbox360 to test, but similarly, have you tried a recent SVN of Myth?

[21:10:34]

directhex:

late march i think my svn build is from

[21:11:32]

Scuzzle:

I think you should try on from after 13253 (commit was 16th April), I think you'll suddenly find it works better.

[21:13:49]

directhex:

there are no updates to libmythupnp since my build :/

[21:15:01]

directhex:

13388, that's what i'm on

[21:15:17]

Scuzzle:

Oh well, it was worth a try, you mentioned late March, and that's an April update.

[21:15:26]

** zambaroo is jealous. 13388 wont compile on his box. **

[21:15:30]

directhex:

dates are confusing and scary

[21:17:13]

** gpd revels in surprisingly snappy AMD 2000+ backend/frontend box **

[21:18:52]

gpd:

only minor issue atm is the HDMI to the panasonic LCD tv is not qutie getting the resolution/panning right

[21:18:59]

Squid (Squid!n=Squid@24.67.96.131) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:19:41]

gpd:

I am missing a bit around the edges – will probably have to ignore – or find a custom modeline for xorg

[21:22:17]

gpd:

anyone mastered the DMI->HDMI settings? currently I am using 1280x720 with auto aspect on the tv

[21:22:58]

directhex:

there seem to be significantly more problems with DVI->HDMI than just plain ol' VGA, so i've avoided it

[21:23:36]

gpd:

directhex: unfortunately this TV doesn't have a VGA input :( – the bigger one does

[21:23:58]

gpd:

i have HDMI / component / S-VIDEO or SCART (UK shite)

[21:24:17]

directhex:

RGB-SCART's okay for SD

[21:24:33]

directhex:

component? suppose that's unlikely to be easier than HDMI

[21:25:10]

gpd:

is there such a thing as a VGA|DVI->SCART cable (/me has no clue)?

[21:25:20]

kash:

yes

[21:25:32]

gpd:

interesting...

[21:25:56]

fatmatt_ (fatmatt_!n=matt@c211-28-240-135.thoms1.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:26:05]

fatmatt_:

heyas

[21:26:14]

directhex:

you can do VGA->RGB-SCART. but it'll need modeline trickery

[21:26:17]

kash:

http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/168107.aspx

[21:26:56]

gpd:

I haven't done modline trickery since back in the day... has it gotten any less dangerous / exciting?

[21:27:08]

kash:

powerstrip helps

[21:27:27]

fatmatt_:

I'm having issues recording 2 shows following each other on the same channel. myth wants to use separate tuners for them. It's causing scheduling conflicts.

[21:27:51]

gbee:

fatmatt_: remove the padding

[21:28:55]

gpd:

kash: powerstrip is Windows only : correct? nothing similar on Linux? (no big deal, just move tv to other room to do it)

[21:29:33]

fatmatt_:

gbee : the +/- start and finish time, yeah, I tried that but I'd rather not have to do it for each recording and it's very useful to have that default padding in there

[21:29:57]

kash:

gpd: correct

[21:30:10]

kash:

gpd: you could use bartpe, though, i assume

[21:30:18]

gbee:

fatmatt_: there are two types of padding, 'optional' which is defined globally and 'strict' which is per schedule

[21:30:24]

hads:

Well that's what's causing your problem.

[21:31:07]

gbee:

if you want padding, but only when it doesn't cause a conflict then you need to use the global option and not the schedule padding

[21:32:17]

gpd:

kash: bartpe: nice idea. I suppose wine/vmware are highly unlikely / waste of time

[21:32:25]

fatmatt_:

gbee, excellent, just what I needed to know. thanks. I'll give that a shot.

[21:34:45]

kash:

bwaha! finally, my SBE works. and all i had to do was replace the mobo :)

[21:35:30]

kash:

i guess the mobo doesn't support more than 512MB of RAM though, because when i add 2 256's and a 128, it says 130MB only.. no matter that stick i use as the third. as long as it's over 512, it goes with the smallest stick.

[21:43:36]

** Dagmar stabs ALSA in it's evil, evil eyes **

[21:44:00]

** zambaroo stabs it in the back **

[21:44:41]

** Zider snuggles alsa **

[21:45:38]

Xanium (Xanium!n=James@84-51-133-69.logicl442.adsl.metronet.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:45:56]

Xanium (Xanium!n=James@84-51-133-69.logicl442.adsl.metronet.co.uk) has quit (Client Quit)

[21:46:34]

Xanium (Xanium!n=James@84-51-133-69.logicl442.adsl.metronet.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:46:43]

Xanium:

hi all

[21:49:02]

** stuarta waves **

[21:50:47]

kash:

what's the option to set the QT painter @ runtime?

[21:54:35]

Xanium:

kash, do u mean a terminal flag

[21:54:43]

Xanium:

or the option in the settings menus

[21:58:21]

gbee:

kash: -O ThemePainter=qt

[21:59:47]

directhex:

ThemePainter=xaw3d !

[21:59:56]

Xanium:

whoa?

[22:04:08]

Dagmar:

What's the option to stab a random ALSA dev in the eyes?

[22:05:00]

Dagmar:

A simple SBLive! 5.1 card should damn well be able to at least light up the rear speakers

[22:05:04]

directhex:

Dagmar, /j #alsa; !trout $random

[22:05:48]

stuarta:

anyone else seeing the preview video not come up while looking at the guide in livetv

[22:07:59]

Dagmar:

I'll have to look at this again on MOnday

[22:08:06]

Dagmar:

,..but this is bloody ridiculous

[22:10:25]

purserj (purserj!n=purserj@k-sit.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:16:44]

gpd:

so I have powerstrip running and attached to this TV – but I can't get acces to the advanced timings page :(

[22:16:59]

Xanium:

wot gfx caard u using?

[22:18:02]

gpd:

geforce 8800

[22:18:09]

Xanium:

hmm

[22:18:14]

Xanium:

*possibly* too new

[22:18:20]

Xanium:

but doubt it

[22:18:28]

russellb (russellb!i=russellb@asterisk/developer-and-stable-maintainer/drumkilla) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[22:18:40]

gpd:

http://edimensional.tnmarketing.com.au/suppor . . . eyed_out.htm

[22:18:43]

gpd:

trying taht

[22:18:44]

gardengnome:

Xanium: wud u plz sp33k prop3r 3||9|^5|-|

[22:18:49]

doc|home (doc|home!n=doc@gentoo/contributor/doc-007) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:18:58]

hads:

heh

[22:19:09]

Xanium:

gardengnome: wtf?

[22:19:29]

gardengnome:

Xanium: i asked you to write proper english :)

[22:19:47]

Xanium:

okay

[22:20:12]

gardengnome:

Xanium: because foreigerns might have a hard time understanding you

[22:20:29]

gardengnome:

s/foreigerns/foreigners/

[22:20:50]

Xanium:

okay I see your point now, I'm just so used to using 'u' and 'ur' and things like that

[22:20:58]

gpd:

bah – anyway 1176x664@60 gives good screen coverage – just need to play some more with modelines I suppose

[22:21:29]

Xanium:

gpd: what connection method, DVI, HDMI, or VGA

[22:21:48]

gpd:

DVI->HDMI

[22:21:57]

Xanium:

how old is your TV

[22:22:04]

gpd:

less than 1 year

[22:22:16]

Xanium:

hmm, because the EDID information should be correct

[22:22:30]

Xanium:

I think nvidia have a utility for setting 1080i, 720p etc...

[22:22:35]

Xanium:

in their tools

[22:22:39]

GhostFreeman (GhostFreeman!n=GhostFre@67.58.94.102) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:22:58]

gpd:

1280x720 is ok – but the edge of the screen is off by about 50px or something

[22:23:04]

Xanium:

aaah

[22:23:08]

Xanium:

now I understand

[22:23:27]

Xanium:

I assume this is going to be for myth

[22:23:32]

gpd:

which is actually fine — i am just spending a little time

[22:23:38]

Xanium:

you could try tinkering with the modeline by hand

[22:23:54]

Xanium:

never done it

[22:24:00]

Xanium:

but...

[22:24:27]

gpd:

i have the max timings and the a good resolution now – so will try again tomorrow

[22:27:22]

russellb (russellb!i=russellb@nat/digium/x-b436586604de32f7) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:27:52]

directhex:

EDID is almost alwsys wrong on TVs

[22:28:04]

Xanium:

I thought that for DVI

[22:28:07]

Xanium:

but not HDMI

[22:28:23]

Xanium:

if it's always wrong then how do set top boxes manage to get a picture

[22:28:48]

hads:

Designed for overscan?

[22:28:56]

Xanium:

assuming they have inbuilt modelines (well the equivelent anyway)

[22:28:58]

AndyCap:

they don't care about what the screen can do? :P

[22:29:07]

Xanium:

surely we could copy them

[22:29:14]

Xanium:

yeh I surpose

[22:29:24]

Xanium:

you can always adjusts myth's overscan settings

[22:29:41]

Xanium:

but the EDID must generally be 'correct' to even get a picture

[22:31:04]

Xanium:

I thought Xorg just used the info. to validate modelines

[22:31:21]

Cardoe_ (Cardoe_!n=Cardoe@gentoo/developer/Cardoe) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:32:26]

purserj (purserj!n=purserj@k-sit.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[22:32:29]

Cardoe_ is now known as Cardoe

[22:33:44]

doc|work (doc|work!n=doc@gentoo/contributor/doc-007) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[22:36:23]

purserj (purserj!n=purserj@k-sit.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:40:34]

jshaffer (jshaffer!n=john@tx-71-48-166-227.dyn.embarqhsd.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[22:42:07]

eelriver (eelriver!n=eelriver@pdpc/supporter/active/eelriver) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[23:02:20]

cal:

how do i stop the livetv recordings from cluttering up my real recordings in the recordings list?

[23:03:11]

GreyFoxx:

cal: Normally they don't unless oyu have your group filter set to "All Programs"

[23:03:30]

GreyFoxx:

Hit M on the watch recordings screen, pick change recording group and change it to default

[23:04:19]

cal:

well of course i have "all programs" selected on the left.. i want to see all my recordings on the right

[23:04:22]

cal:

the real ones that is

[23:04:37]

GreyFoxx:

All programs includes LiveTV

[23:04:50]

GreyFoxx:

Change the filter to default and you would normally see everything but livetv

[23:05:50]

cal:

ahh thats better

[23:06:00]

cal:

i couldnt find that anywhere in the mythtv documentation

[23:06:34]

cal:

so if i leave livetv on a channel all day, its gonna record every single show the whole day?

[23:06:45]

someninjamaster (someninjamaster!n=jamesric@c-68-53-159-99.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:06:48]

someninjamaster:

hello all

[23:06:53]

purserj (purserj!n=purserj@k-sit.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:07:28]

GreyFoxx:

cal: yes

[23:08:03]

stuarta (stuarta!n=stuarta@unaffiliated/stuarta) has quit ("leaving")

[23:09:05]

cal:

grey: i kind of liked my time warner dvr.. for live tv it only kept an hour buffer's worth as you watched it.

[23:09:22]

cal:

can i have mythtv do that?

[23:11:12]

GreyFoxx:

no

[23:11:48]

GreyFoxx:

LiveTV recordings auto expire after 24 hours (unless you increased it) and are the first to auto expire if space is needed for a recording

[23:12:08]

cal:

ahh, that was my next question. that is good enough then.

[23:12:39]

Kevorkian:

time warner is the only cable co ive seen that does a decent job with the dvr.

[23:13:30]

Kevorkian:

ony thing I would change is adding the tivo recommended thing.

[23:13:58]

cal:

okay another thing my time warner dvr did.. was if one tuner was recording... and then it's 5–10 minutes until the other one has to start recording too, but i was watching livetv on it, it would warn me .. and give me 2 options 'switch to channel that is going to be recorded, or stay on this channel and cancel recording'

[23:14:05]

GreyFoxx:

The local cableco has a fairly good dvr, at lest for HDTV receivers, other than that I've never used a cableco provided one

[23:14:16]

cal:

can mythtv do that?

[23:14:20]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[23:14:23]

Kevorkian:

yes it can

[23:14:32]

GreyFoxx:

but it's closer to 1–5 minutes I think

[23:14:34]

cal:

is that on by default?

[23:14:47]

GreyFoxx:

but then I never use LiveTV except for testing the tuners

[23:14:55]

cal:

i couldnt find that anywhere in the docs either

[23:15:18]

jams:

more like under 60 seconds

[23:15:26]

GreyFoxx:

jams: Is it that close ?

[23:15:36]

Kevorkian:

yea .. TW is also that close

[23:15:41]

cal:

TW?

[23:15:42]

jams:

pretty sure it is

[23:16:03]

jonty_ (jonty_!n=jonty@host-84-9-144-4.bulldogdsl.com) has quit (Client Quit)

[23:16:04]

Kevorkian:

yea .. the tw dvd does it like 1 or 2 minutes .. not 5~10

[23:16:05]

cal:

whats difference between priority and final priority

[23:16:27]

cal:

kev: hmm i was thinking it was a few minutes

[23:16:45]

Kevorkian:

well .. 2 minutes feels like a lot when watching tv :-D

[23:16:57]

Kevorkian:

but yea .. its that close.

[23:17:22]

Kevorkian:

you may have been 10 minutes behind in the show when it happend so it felt like it was longer.

[23:18:08]

Kevorkian:

one thing I hate about the TW one .. it pops up a banner when it starts recording ..

[23:18:15]

Kevorkian:

can get annoying.

[23:18:52]

Kevorkian:

you could be watching a recorded program .. and it starts to record something .. you get a lil baner for a few seconds.

[23:19:10]

cal:

lol 14% used 314.61 GB free.. guess i dont have to worry about space for awhile

[23:19:29]

purserj (purserj!n=purserj@k-sit.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[23:20:19]

kash:

# Space Used: 24,969 MB

[23:20:20]

kash:

# Space Free: 98,519 MB

[23:20:51]

cal:

i see a bunch of WeatherObj() on mythweather... instead of what i should be seeing.. any ideas on that?

[23:21:04]

Kevorkian:

you broke it.

[23:21:14]

cal:

its a default knoppmyth install man =)

[23:21:19]

GreyFoxx:

mythweather s currently broken in north america at least

[23:21:26]

Kevorkian:

works on mine

[23:21:29]

cal:

oh MAN

[23:21:31]

kash:

and mine

[23:21:45]

Kevorkian:

also a knoppmyth install

[23:21:48]

GreyFoxx:

Then msnbc must have restored their old sites

[23:22:00]

purserj (purserj!n=purserj@k-sit.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:22:04]

GreyFoxx:

cause they had changed the formats and it broken the screenscrapers

[23:22:04]

cal:

kev: any idea how to fix it , or did your work out of the box?

[23:22:17]

Kevorkian:

you sure its msnbc ?? and not the weather chan ?

[23:22:30]

GreyFoxx:

it's a combo of both

[23:22:32]

Kevorkian:

at lest the radar graphic is TWC and not msnbc

[23:23:51]

Kevorkian:

tivo even

[23:24:22]

GreyFoxx:

I use myth for all video, dvd and recording playback, and when I'm really bored as a emulator frontend

[23:25:00]

kash:

would a pentium 233MHz be fast enough for a dedicated commflag box?

[23:25:07]

kash:

as in, that's all it does

[23:25:10]

** Kevorkian shrugs.. **

[23:25:15]

GreyFoxx:

define fast enough

[23:25:16]

jams:

mythweather still ooks broken to me

[23:25:25]

Kevorkian:

if you dont want to watch it within a few minutes

[23:25:31]

kash:

k

[23:25:40]

kash:

bbl

[23:26:08]

Kevorkian:

it sure wont transcode in real time .. if thats what your asking.

[23:26:56]

cal:

so what the heck is the phone for in mythtv?

[23:27:05]

cal:

i can answer my calls with my tv.. or what.. lol

[23:27:29]

Kevorkian:

yea .. sorta .. kinda ..

[23:27:45]

cal:

? hehe

[23:27:55]

GreyFoxx:

cal: Not everyone runs myth on a TV

[23:28:06]

GreyFoxx:

it's a voip voice+video phone basically

[23:28:09]

Kevorkian:

well .. ive never used it .. but the rumor is that you can have it cnnect to your voip provider ..

[23:28:39]

GreyFoxx:

I've used it with my voip server, I've never bothered with the video aspect of it though

[23:29:02]

cal:

kind of suprised its not just an addon

[23:29:09]

GreyFoxx:

it is

[23:29:11]

GreyFoxx:

it's a plugin

[23:29:21]

Beirdo:

note to all: slapd does NOT like it if you put the hostname/IP in /etc/hosts twice

[23:29:26]

cal:

i guess knoppmyth likes it then.. shrug

[23:29:45]

Kevorkian:

you can make it go away if you want.

[23:30:24]

Kevorkian:

find tape the same color as the background .. and place some tape on the tv screen where it says PHONE>

[23:30:56]

cal:

lol

[23:31:00]

Beirdo:

it was insisting that there was already something bound to the port... because it was trying to open a listener on each IP for the name... but both IPs were the same

[23:31:59]

hads:

Silly

[23:32:26]

Beirdo:

took me a bit of time to figure what its issue was though

[23:32:33]

hads:

I can imagine

[23:32:44]

Kevorkian:

the logfile didnt complain ?

[23:32:44]

matt____ (matt____!n=matt@c211-28-240-135.thoms1.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:32:48]

Kevorkian:

port in use and things ?

[23:32:55]

Beirdo:

yeah, it did

[23:33:09]

Beirdo:

but the port's NOT in use once the daemon immediately quits

[23:33:10]

Beirdo:

heh

[23:33:35]

Kevorkian:

ahhh ..

[23:34:09]

Beirdo:

I'll likely be putting nscd on these machines too

[23:34:11]

** Kevorkian is a big fan of logfiles .. **

[23:34:18]

Kevorkian:

thats what I check first ..

[23:34:23]

Kevorkian:

unless its windows.

[23:34:30]

Beirdo:

oh, I did

[23:34:35]

Beirdo:

then I checked netstat

[23:34:36]

Kevorkian:

then you have to sacraice a virgin indian code monkey.

[23:34:40]

Beirdo:

then I scratched my head

[23:35:00]

Kevorkian:

THEN perhaps the computer gods will allow you to know the issus

[23:35:03]

Kevorkian:

issues even

[23:35:39]

Beirdo:

heh

[23:36:02]

Beirdo:

silly puppy stepped on the remote... all of a sudden CSI turns into 70s music channel

[23:36:19]

Beirdo:

she taught us that there's a "music" button on the remote ;)

[23:36:23]

Kevorkian:

better then him chewing it

[23:36:32]

Kevorkian:

opps .. she

[23:36:41]

opello:

heh

[23:36:45]

Beirdo:

strangely, she's never got the taste for cell phones, remotes, etc

[23:36:51]

Kevorkian:

they call it a dogbone .. for a reason.

[23:37:38]

Beirdo:

ahhhh. apt-get remove --purge openoffice.org*

[23:37:40]

Beirdo:

:)

[23:39:55]

a5benwillis (a5benwillis!n=benwilli@71-12-14-250.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:39:55]

mikeones (mikeones!n=user@adsl-76-203-163-46.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[23:40:27]

Aquahallic (Aquahallic!n=aquaholi@pc-12-187-88.scpe.powergate.ca) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:40:30]

a5benwillis:

OOH this should be fun

[23:40:36]

a5benwillis:

about to test some HD content

[23:41:59]

Aquahallic:

evenin' folks

[23:42:31]

Kevorkian:

openoffice is as bloated as MS office.

[23:42:31]

Aquahallic:

I have myth running on a box... I come home today and the livetv pic is frozen... yet it's still recording... anyone ever seen this?

[23:42:42]

kash:

yes

[23:42:48]

Kevorkian:

someone steped on the remote and hit pause ?

[23:42:55]

Aquahallic:

no remote

[23:43:08]

** Kevorkian points at Beirdo 's puppy **

[23:43:33]

Aquahallic:

I've turned off all power save in the machine's bios also

[23:44:33]

Aquahallic:

anything in particular I should be looking for?

[23:44:53]

kash:

This machine's load average:

[23:44:54]

kash:

* 1 Minute: 0.0390625

[23:44:56]

kash:

wtf

[23:45:05]

kash:

i've never seen one that accurate :o

[23:45:18]

Kevorkian:

thats a good load ;-D

[23:45:52]

kash:

:)

[23:50:30]

Aquahallic:

hmmm... if I push P it toggles between play and pause but the pic is still frozen...:/

[23:50:58]

kash:

ctrl + alt + backspace

[23:51:22]

kash:

bbl

[23:51:42]

Aquahallic:

yeah that'll kill X

[23:52:34]

a5benwillis:

um

[23:52:42]

a5benwillis:

can you ssh intyo the box Aquahallic?

[23:52:57]

zuralin_ (zuralin_!n=zuralin@pool-72-75-246-116.bflony.east.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:53:02]

a5benwillis:

you could kill the backend process

[23:53:26]

a5benwillis:

are you sure its really recording?

[23:55:34]

Aquahallic:

yup

[23:55:50]

Aquahallic:

I can ssh to it.. that's how I know it's really still recording..

[23:55:58]

Aquahallic:

I can see the file size growing

[23:56:01]

a5benwillis:

ah

[23:56:07]

a5benwillis:

so kill the fe and be procs

[23:56:30]

Aquahallic:

I just backed out of X ctrl+alt+bkspc

[23:56:38]

a5benwillis:

thatll do it

[23:56:42]

Aquahallic:

and then came back into frontend

[23:56:44]

Aquahallic:

and it's fine

[23:56:55]

Aquahallic:

but I'd like to figure out what's causing it

[23:57:11]

a5benwillis:

never seen that b4

[23:57:17]

a5benwillis:

i have worse problems...

[23:57:30]

Aquahallic:

seems like the frontend hungup or something

MythLogBot@irc.freenode.net :: #mythtv-users

Current users (589):