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Tuesday, May 22nd, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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** xris leaves the world of the dvb-s wannabes for now.... (just sold my dvb-s card) **

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xris:

heh

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briand:

well, i'm only looking to capture/record -one- channel.. so, perhaps the gods will smile on me

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xris:

briand: you're just helping me to upgrade my mythbox.

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Pogonip:

Can someone describe the steps to compile mythuitest

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xris:

Pogonip: ./configure && make && make install?

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briand:

xris: whatcha gonna build onto it?

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Pogonip:

There's no configure file

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GreyFoxx:

It's not a seperate compile from the rest of the source

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briand:

Pogonip: do you have -all- of the mythtv source, or just mythuitest?

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xris:

briand: replacing it entirely, I think.

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Pogonip:

I have all of the source. I'm new to Linux and Qmake, it seems to be a problem with the includes.

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xris:

just not sure if I should do it now (good prices on intel hardware straight from intel) or wait until the big price drop next month (same 50% discount or so on potential quad core stuff)

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xris:

I'm also not very enthusiastic about the microatx chassis offerings available.

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Sid`:

Pogonip: look in mythconfig.mak (which is sometimes a symlink from the build tree to somewhere on your system)

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briand:

xris: no kidding? I did that this past december/january. I had an Asus Pundit with 3 analog recorders and 300G of space, replaced with a much bigger box, 1.5TB of space, 3 analog, 2 digital [and soon, ;) one dvb-s] tuner

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Sid`:

make sure all the variables there are correct

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Tanthrix:

I've got a E4400, MSI mobo, 1GB ram, 500gb drive, and an A180 coming on wednesday

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Tanthrix:

Around $450 total (PSU also)

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briand:

the motherboard I chose was an Asus P4V8X-MX, installed in a a nMEDIAPC BA-200 case

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Tanthrix:

xris: And you're telling me now that you know about some price cuts coming next month? :P

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xris:

Tanthrix: was just announced today.

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Tanthrix:

Hehe, I have good timing it seems.

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xris:

50% or so price drop on quad core around June 22

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xris:

no biggie. I'm getting a dual core, mobo and vista ultimate for $220...

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Tanthrix:

What are they going for nowadays?

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briand:

they coming out with an octo-core or something next?

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xris:

just need to decide to wait until next month for the second box replacement.

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xris:

(server vs mythbox)

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briand:

I've got two brand spankin' new 6850's sitting in my office... ;)

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xris:

plenty of nice hardware at work... nothing I get to play with, though.

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xris:

well, not until my new server is done burning (which might be today)... dual xeon, SAS array, etc.

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Tanthrix:

briand: Want to mail me one? ;)

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briand:

i get to play with it for a little while.. then it goes to the state SRC to be our database (and mirror) behind flshots.com

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Pogonip:

What'

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briand:

Tanthrix: sure... you'll need to mail me ..umm.. about $14.8K for the server, and add another ~ $40K to tide me over until I find a new job... ;)

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Pogonip:

Has anyone actually compiled mythuitest

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briand:

yep. just compiled it; no problems.

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Pogonip:

Can you take me through the process?

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briand:

./configure && make && make install

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Pogonip:

Fre

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Tanthrix:

briand: I think I'll just go with newegg. :)

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Pogonip:

from the programs subdirectory?

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briand:

Tanthrix: heh.. i buy my personal stuff @ newegg, most of the time...

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Tanthrix:

Only paid $140 for my E4400 which from what I can tell from the benchmarks I've read is pretty damned close to an E6400

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briand:

at work, tho, they want warranties, 24-hr tech support, 4-hour turnaround time, blah blah blah

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Tanthrix:

Not sure how it would compare to the E6420s or whatever the newer ones are with more cache

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Pogonip:

Still no, here's what I get: undefined reference to `MythUIType::customEvent(QCustomEvent*)

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briand:

6850 = quad processors w/ 8G ram, 2x73G in Raid 1, 3x500G in Raid 5, and an extra Perc/4 controller for the powervault 220S w/ 1.5TB online. all 15K drives

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briand:

Pogonip: run `qmake mythtv.pro` from the mythtv directory, then run ./configure && make && make install

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Tanthrix:

Ahh, I thought you were referring to one of the newer Core 2 Duos. That sounds even more spiffy!

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briand:

it's pretty spiffy, yeah.. and there's TWINS!

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briand:

rack server tho... not a lot of room to add PVR capture cards.. ;)

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Tanthrix:

I'll definately take one then

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briand:

it was my job to spec them out and buy them.. not my job to sell them, tho.. :)

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Pogonip:

bash: ./configure: No such file or directory

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directhex:

briand, quad xeon? not running anything ram-intensive then?

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briand:

just a db server, apps are on other servers

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xris:

briand: ./configure should run qmake

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briand:

xris: he's not finding a ./configure

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xris:

should be at the root level of the mythtv source.

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briand:

yep

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roe_:

does anyone have trouble accessing the meta data for mythvideo from multiple frontends?

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hadees:

has anyone heard of an error with the AirStar HD-5000 where mythtv won't record anything but it will look like it is until the program is done? I have seen this happen a bunch of times but it doesn't always happen and i noticed nothing in the standard mythbackend logs. Right now i am doing a verbose log to see if i can pick something up.

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scant:

can i just copy /myth/video from one mythh install to a different myth install (but same version of myth) on a different harddrive and still have the recordings show up in myth?

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hads:

No

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MavT:

scant: you would have to export and import the 'recordings' between the 2 mythconverg databases

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clever:

the recorded table in mysql also needs to be copyed

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MavT:

wot he sed

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clever:

the mytharchive seems to be better made to export a few shows to a dvd and import it back in later

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clever:

could also be used

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MavT:

you can export to a network as well, and import from there, without using dvd

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clever:

ahh nice

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clever:

i tryed making a 5 episode dvd(30min episodes) and encoding to work in a dvd player

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clever:

it took 5 hours to get the first episode

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clever:

then ffmpeg crashed instantly on the 2nd

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MavT:

clever: :(

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clever:

i think it took so long because of a slow drive in my lvm array

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MavT:

DVD's that I have exported have had sound sync problems :(

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clever:

i think i can also export it as a data dvd

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clever:

just a pile of raw nuv's

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clever:

and some info explaining the shows so they can be imported properly

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scant:

clever: is there a way to re-create the entries to the recordings in the mythconverg databases and the recorded table rather than copying them?

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clever:

if you knew what the show was

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clever:

youll need some basic stuff like the shows name and start/stop time and stuff

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Captain_Murdoch:

just backup your database and restore it on the new machine. if you run a newer Myth on the new machine, the DB will be automatically upgraded when mythbackend/mythfrontend/mythtv-setup run for the first time.

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clever:

thats if he doesnt allready have a working setup on the other machine

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clever:

he may have 2 seperate master backends/mysql servers

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scant:

Captain_Murdoch: by backup do you mean export the database? or is export different from backup?

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Captain_Murdoch:

yes, as long as you don't mind wiping the DB on the 2nd box when you do the restore.

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Captain_Murdoch:

mysqldump

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clever:

yeah

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scant:

Yes, I am becoming verbose in mysqldump as we speak

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clever:

but if its second box it may have its own set of shows which he wants to merge into

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Captain_Murdoch:

is the 2nd box brand new (ie, no recordings)?

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scant:

the 2nd box is brand new

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scant:

but it's not a second box, it's just a 2nd harddrive

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Captain_Murdoch:

same database?

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scant:

no

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scant:

one will be a database from a clean install

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Captain_Murdoch:

clean OS install or clean Myth install, if you restore the DB backup, then the Myth install won't be clean anymore. if you want to start with a clean DB, then you could get away with backing up only the tables that start with the word "recorded" (recorded, recordedcredits, recordedmarkup, etc.)

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scant:

i want to upgrade my harddrive in my knoppmyth box, so i thought i would install knoppmyth on the new drive, then get the old knoppmyth install up with the 2nd new drive attached and copy over the /myth/video directory

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Captain_Murdoch:

files can be just copied over as long as you setup the recording directory to look in the new location (or the same location if you use the same directory in the new install). you need the DB data from all tables that start with "recorded" though in order to get the program information, seektable, etc..

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hads:

Or you could just copy the entire install to the new drive if you are happy with it.

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clever:

you could also

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clever:

use storage groups/lvm

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clever:

to use both drives at once

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scant:

i actually am researching the database export way

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clever:

so instead of adding a small ammount to the system you can more then double it

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scant:

but for instance, the seektable doesn't need to be exported, it can be recreated

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clever:

assuming the new drive is larger then the old

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Captain_Murdoch:

scant: not a good idea sometimes.

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scant:

Captain_Murdoch: why?

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Captain_Murdoch:

time for one, it can take a while if you have lots of recordings. secondly it sometimes doesn't work right. you have to use mythcommflag on some recordings and mythtranscode on others (some mpeg2 files) to get the seektable right.

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scant:

mythtranscode? wow

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scant:

wonder why that is

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Captain_Murdoch:

the mpeg2 lossless side of mythtranscode can rebuild a seektable on mpeg2 files.

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scant:

mythtranscode can't recreate the seektables for all mpeg2 files?

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Captain_Murdoch:

I think it can, haven't tried.

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clever:

but that may cause lossy transcoding of the files that cant be loseless transcoded

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clever:

while rebuilding there seek tables

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Captain_Murdoch:

no, rebuilding doesn't transode at the same time

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clever:

ahh it has seperate options?

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Captain_Murdoch:

yes. just like the --rebuild on mythcommfalg

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Captain_Murdoch:

flag

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scant:

does the Record table need to be exported? it's for recording rules

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Captain_Murdoch:

if you want to keep your schedules, yes

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Captain_Murdoch:

but some may need to be adjusted if your chanids change.

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

enless you export the table that defines those also

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hads:

If you can spare both drives the easiest way would probably be to shift the recordings to the new drive, mount it at the old mount point and be done with it.

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clever:

easyer to just copy the whole damn thing db and all

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scant:

sometimes i like going about things the difficult way

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clever:

hads: that would leave a large chunk of free space on the old drive going to waste

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clever:

enless you storagegroup it back into 1 mass

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clever:

but in that case you dont even need to shift the old

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clever:

just leave it in place,mount the new in its own place,add storage grou

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clever:

p

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hads:

If you happen to be running trunk.

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scant:

i don't want to have 2 drives in my knoppmythbox

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clever:

ahhh

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clever:

you could copy the entire filesystem over and resize it

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scant:

is that a stable operation?

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clever:

one way is to make a larger partition on the new drive

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hads:

That's what I suggested

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clever:

so /dev/oldA is the old dev

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clever:

and /dev/newA is the new larger drive

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clever:

then you can from a livecd dd if=/dev/oldA of=/dev/newA

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clever:

and then a resize2fs to expand the filesystem afterwards to take up the gap of unused space

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hads:

Depending on your filesystem of course

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

this plan would do for ext2

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clever:

and would duplicate the UUID of the filesystem

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scant:

clever: your method seems ok, but i don't know how to do that

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clever:

causing problems if you try to UUID mount with both drives in the system

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clever:

are there any gui partitioning tools on knoppmyth?

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scant:

clever: i've used fdisk in linux a few times before and than ran mke2fs, that's not the part i don't know how to do

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clever:

on the knoppmyth with the old drive running do

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clever:

cat /proc/partitions

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clever:

or fdisk -l /dev/OLDDRIVE

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clever:

the fdisk way works if its something else running but its still connected

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scant:

cleaver: i don't have the new drive yet, should i paste the output into the channel?

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scant:

opps, clever:

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clever:

ahhhh

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clever:

pm it to me

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clever:

if you can

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clever:

pastebin if you cant

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clever:

freenode gets in the way of pm's alot

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scant:

uh huh

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clever:

just paste into www.pastebin.ca and it will give you a link the stuff is at

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scant:

http://www.pastebin.ca/501459

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clever:

also in another the output of

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clever:

mount;cat /proc/mounts /proc/swaps

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scant:

http://www.pastebin.ca/501463

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clever:

looks like hda1 is the root

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clever:

hda3 is /myth/

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clever:

and hda2 is swap

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scant:

yeah

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clever:

hda1 is about 4gig large

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clever:

you can just make another partition of the same size and copy it right over

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clever:

hda2 you can just make of the same size and mkswap it

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scant:

clever: which partition, the myth partition?

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scant:

oh you mean hda1

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clever:

hda3 you can make as large as the new drive will handle(has to be larger then currently(73gig))

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clever:

is the new drive bigger?

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scant:

uh huh

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meclizine:

I want Heroes new episodes to have a high priority, but Heroes reruns to have a very low priority, is there any such mechenism in mythtv?

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clever:

scant: aslong as the old drive is unpluged you cant realy go wrong and harm it

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clever:

so you can play with making the partitions a few times till you got it right

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meclizine:

I founf xfs deletes large files way quicker than any ext FS

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clever:

meclizine: yeah ive heard that before also

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clever:

but you cant shrink it at all so thats a major problem for me

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meclizine:

shrink?

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clever:

when resizing the filesystem

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scant:

when you say copy the root partition hda1, i can just do a cp command and when it's done it's bootable?

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clever:

scant using cp may work if you mke2fs'ed it but copying the raw filesystem can be faster

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scant:

k

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clever:

will have less problems if hda1 isnt mounted

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clever:

so youll need to do it from a livecd

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clever:

but to be safe you could mount it to a temp folder for a min to make shure you dont copy the wrong way

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meclizine:

dd the first 512

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clever:

i allready copyed my dads empty backupdrive into the main one by mistake:P

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clever:

copy blank -> main

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meclizine:

dd if=/dev/sda1 of=mbr

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clever:

o crap

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clever:

:P

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meclizine:

sorry,

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meclizine:

dd bs=512 count=1 if=/dev/sda(1) of=mbr

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clever:

so its on the 1st ide cable and set to master on its jumpers

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meclizine:

hda, sda, tomato tamatoe

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clever:

so changing the jumpers will rename the drive to the old name

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scant:

thx

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xmltok:

is there an option for hd dvr functions with mythtv if i have dish network?

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scant:

meclizine: i'm asking about this upgrade stuff, because i recorded the heroes marathon on scifi, and want to keep it when i get my new drive

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clever:

meclizine: read my last msg:P

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meclizine:

clever: I was joking

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clever:

lol

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clever:

also

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meclizine:

scant: did you catch Heroes tonight?

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XGizzmo:

clever: if your kernel has the driver of that card it will find it on its own

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clever:

i'll have to try that when i find it

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clever:

if my linux even has an isa slot

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meclizine:

what he crap is ISA

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XGizzmo:

a 16 bit add on card interface

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clever:

old crap:P

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meclizine:

didnt the communist region of the former USSR put that silly interface into my old motherboard

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xmltok:

haha isa

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meclizine:

I was joking again

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meclizine:

sorry....

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clever:

its back from the day and age when ide controlers where onboard the motherboard:P

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meclizine:

IDE should be onboard

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meclizine:

as should SATA

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meclizine:

remember the famous Promise IDE controller

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meclizine:

remember the Promise SVGA video card?

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meclizine:

such wonderful dys

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clever:

both the onboard ide controlers are full

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meclizine:

daisy chain....scsi?

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meclizine:

you can pick up an adaptec 79xx for under $100

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clever:

no scsi in the pc

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clever:

and id have to get new scsi drives just to connect to it

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meclizine:

the AIC driver

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meclizine:

oh, good point

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clever:

easyer to add a 3rd ide controler and reuse 2 old ide drives

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meclizine:

so you plan on 6 drives... IDE?

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clever:

counting the dvd burner as a ide drive

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meclizine:

two channels on a primary interface and a secondary?

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clever:

3 ide channels

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clever:

2 drives each

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meclizine:

you realize the motherboard can only provide the perfomance for 2 IDE channels

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meclizine:

regardless of controllers

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clever:

?

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meclizine:

you will accept a penalty for 3 channels

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clever:

what could slow it down if accessing an isa controler and 2 onboard controlers?

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meclizine:

there will only be one IDE bus on any given botherboard

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clever:

i thought theres 2 on most recent systems

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meclizine:

regardless if the IDE controller is onboard or not

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clever:

the primary and the secondary

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clever:

which each have a master and a slave drive

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meclizine:

an i386 bus can only read/write a single channel at a given moment

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meclizine:

sorry.. two channels

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meclizine:

but not on the same chain

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clever:

isnt each controler/channel on its own ioport/irq?

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meclizine:

yes it is

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meclizine:

same IO bus though

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meclizine:

so is the bane of IDE

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clever:

i mean the io bus between the cpu and the system

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clever:

theres diff io ports for each device

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meclizine:

I read about IDE raid controllers once

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meclizine:

but there was the downside of the single IO bus

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Fnc:

does anyone have a good recomendation, for a cheap easy to set up remote that comes with IR or RF receiver??

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Zider:

dammit, I always get confused when people talk about IDE as PATA..

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meclizine:

clever: you'll have to let us now how the 6 IDE drives behave

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clever:

yeah once i find the card

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meclizine:

clever: sounds pretty cool, I've never attempted that before

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meclizine:

clever: you could build an awesome IDE raid 5

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clever:

or lvm array

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clever:

or a mix:P

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meclizine:

clever: I think you would, for obvious reasons, accept a severe penelty for RAID 5

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clever:

but i bearly have any matching sized drives

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clever:

so mirroring would be hard

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meclizine:

LVM, oh, you dont care about performance, nevermind than

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Fnc:

cleaver: dont need to be matching

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clever:

i allready know lvm

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Fnc:

each will "be" as large as the smallest one

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meclizine:

everyone knows LVM

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clever:

easyer then learning a new thing to work with

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clever:

Fnc: yeah and that wastes space on the larger drive

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Fnc:

true.. but it all depends on how much bigger your largest is from the smallest

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

i may have 2 80's

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clever:

and a 150 on another pc

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clever:

and a 60

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clever:

and a 6

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clever:

all over the place

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clever:

even more under 1gig:P

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Fnc:

lol

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hads:

Enter is not valid punctuation.

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clever:

yeah bad habit:P

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Fnc:

clever: pretty sure you can do raid 5 with a min of 3 drives...

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Fnc:

so 60 80 80

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clever:

one 80 is the rootfs for my mythtv and the other is part of an external enclosure

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Fnc:

prolly give you one drive thats a bit over 120gig or so...

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clever:

id have to backup the mythtv data somewhere while i convert it all

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clever:

http://clever.mine.nu/pc's/Photo_082806_010.jpg

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clever:

thats most of the drives that i have

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clever:

not including the ones in use

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kash:

bwahaha, i'm learning german. it's kickass to speak it like arnold.

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clever:

i raped every pc in the garage that wasnt in use:P

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Zider:

I have three same-sized IDE disks.. but can't be arsed to raid them ;)

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clever:

i also raped every motherboard not in use to make http://clever.mine.nu/pc's/Photo_082806_00a.jpg

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Zider:

200GBs.. two SATA and one PATA..

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Fnc:

oops keychaings

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clever:

i have no sata bus's

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clever:

and my largest drive is 150gig which my dad owns so i cant use

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Zider:

gonna replace them with one larger disk this autumn I hope :D

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Zider:

clever: I have 6 SATA ports

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Zider:

onboard

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clever:

nice

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Zider:

and one PATA :D

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clever:

lol

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Fnc:

heh... im working on a 16 port sata raid

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Zider:

which is somehow connected to a SATA controller

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clever:

lvm can get higher transfer rates

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Zider:

or something

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clever:

it can stripe the lv's

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clever:

but to make it more redundant you need to layer it over some raid mirrors

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Fnc:

im not worried about transfer rates... just gunna be me serving me... more worried about redundancy

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Zider:

that's why I keep my disk separated.. :)

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clever:

i suspect my 80gig drive has horible transfer rates

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clever:

because it performs painfully slow

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Zider:

I wonder if my first HDD still works..

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clever:

when working in lvm i can allmost tell which drive the pe's are stored on by the performance of the program

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Zider:

I still have it in my basement

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clever:

lol

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Zider:

20MB ST-506

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clever:

hmmm

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clever:

i think our first harddrive was the one that came with the toshiba laptop

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clever:

black&white screen

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Zider:

hehe

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clever:

i triped on the phone cord ages ago

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Zider:

this one was in an Amiga 2000

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clever:

laptop hit the floor

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clever:

harddrive never booted since

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clever:

years later

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clever:

i had it in the pc with the cover off the drive watching it spin and click away

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clever:

and i was able to dir it:P

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Zider:

woo ;)

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clever:

but it locked up at the end when listing free/used space

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clever:

a special option to dir made it not fetch that making it a tad more stable

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clever:

but it sounds like the 'superblock' of the FAT system was on a bad sector

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jimbalaya:

I only have one tuner, so I can only record or watch tv ... but, I accidentally exited watching this show while it was recording ... i can't figure out how to get back to watching it while it records ... any ideas?

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jimbalaya:

when i go through regular 'watch tv' it tells me to go through the 'playback menu'

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jimbalaya:

i have media library and manage recordings on the main menu

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jimbalaya:

the recording hasn't made it into the media library yet, since it isn't finished ... and i don't know which button to press to watch the recording as it's listed in 'upcoming'

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hads:

It will be under watch recordings, they appear there as soon as they start.

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jimbalaya:

hrm, it didn't go in there ... in 'upcoming' it claims to have a sched. conflict

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hads:

If it's not there then it's not recording.

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hads:

(or it's filtered from view)

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javabugz:

hi everyone...I am trying to get mythvideo to display UTF8 characters in filenames (browse list)...any pointer i smuch appreciated

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jimbalaya:

bizarre

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javabugz:

i got utf8 working everywhere X, KDE...except mythvideo file listing

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javabugz:

i am using gentoo, mythvideo 0.20.1

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javabugz:

hellllllllllllllo...

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kormoc_:

hello there

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jimbalaya:

in a few remote config files (lircrc), I have seen F-keys set, but I'm not sure how to enable that within MythTV ... did I miss that in the Keystrokes wiki?

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javabugz:

not sure why it's so quiet here...i thought i may got some help...oh well

[03:28:26]

javabugz:

those are jump points

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jimbalaya:

javabugz: sorry, i don't know anything about UTF8 characters

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javabugz:

as far as i know

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jimbalaya:

sounds familiar

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javabugz:

you can set them up using mythweb

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javabugz:

then you can program your remote with those Fx keys

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javabugz:

to jump to...say DVD menu or Video menu...

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jimbalaya:

hm, seems neat ... says that a mythfrontend restart is required :-/

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javabugz:

it won't set the jump points for those hosts

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javabugz:

if you know SQL, you can just go direct to the database table

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jimbalaya:

that sounds like a conversation with my girlfriend that i don't want to have just waiting to happen...

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jimbalaya:

'why doesn't the remote work' ... 'i'm not good at editing mysql tables'

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kormoc_:

javabugz, why do you say that?

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javabugz:

just like i said..it won't save keys/jump points for host names that have dots as part of their names

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kormoc:

javabugz, uhh... it should... mine works fine

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kormoc:

javabugz, if you can get a tad more info then that, toss it on a ticket and I'll poke at it, but it works fine here (tm)

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javabugz:

kormoc...i am using gentoo, version mythweb-0.20_p11671

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kormoc:

javabugz, I'm on gentoo as well, but what version is your php?

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kormoc:

4.2.x?

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kormoc:

erm, 5.2.x?

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javabugz:

5.2.1

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kormoc:

yeah, all sessions are broken in php 5.2.x

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javabugz:

I think it has to do with the way the PHP file parses hostnames in the foreach

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kormoc:

other things in mythweb will be broken as well, going to 5.1.x will fix it

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javabugz:

ah..it see

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javabugz:

thanks for the note

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javabugz:

anyway...i just need a few jump points...so i went into the db and change it there

[03:44:29]

javabugz:

right now...i am trying to get mythweather working

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kormoc:

sadly the offical work around for the new session stuff failed, so I need to poke a bit more

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javabugz:

as well as mythvideo displaying utf8

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kormoc:

mythweather is gonna be broken for awhile, there's a re-write in process of the entire plugin and then the web one will be updated as well

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javabugz:

i am looking at the code to see if i get make some quick fix

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kormoc:

sadly it would take much more then a quick fix due to the website changes :/

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kormoc:

does mythweb's mythvideo display utf-8 correctly?

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javabugz:

i dont' care much about mythweather

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GreyFoxx:

Man this rocks. Once I track down this last bug this should be a viable solution for multichannel recording until the multirec branch gets finished

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javabugz:

but not being able to display utf8 filenames in mythvideo is really bothering me

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, nifty

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javabugz:

i am looking at videolist.cpp...seem like the correct place?

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** GreyFoxx has 8 channels recording right now from one dvb card reading the in the clear QAM channels from his cable co. And I tracked my only problem down to the routine that reads in the iptv channel list **

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Anduin:

javabugz: mostly

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GreyFoxx:

And that might be a QT problem since this machine has a really really old QT

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javabugz:

Anduin...I don't see the usual utf8 string conversion in that file

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Anduin:

javabugz: dirscan.cpp is where the actual finding happens

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javabugz:

ah

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kormoc:

flv video streaming makes working late much more bearable

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: Heh

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Anduin:

javabugz: and the actual DB load/save is in metadata.cpp

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kormoc:

I am gonna need to put in a 'control center' of sorts, so I can kill streams without ssh access to the box

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kormoc:

or perhaps a keep alive ping that has a timeout so it won't go more then a few minutes before killiing a unused stream

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** kormoc ponders **

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hads:

Is it worth putting that sort of effort into it when the multirec stuff is already being worked on?

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GreyFoxx:

hads: it is to me

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GreyFoxx:

cause a: IT was really a matter of configuration, and b: a bug is a bug, and it's likely the cause of several users lockups when crossing between show borders in livetv

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GreyFoxx:

and really, if I can have multirec now, why wait ? Though to be honest most of the stuff I would record is pretty much over til fall :)

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hads:

Fair enough. It was an honest question, wasn't trying to be smart.

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GreyFoxx:

And it should work for 0.20 for those not running svn

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GreyFoxx:

no worries

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GreyFoxx:

more than anything I'm more shocked that it's running as well as it does . I expected vlc to use up more cpu to do it and expected video articfacts from dropped packets and such

[03:54:30]

GreyFoxx:

but so far none of that

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mchou:

weird

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hads:

It is a groovy idea.

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GreyFoxx:

I started the wiki docs on what I'm doing, I'll finish them up tmorrow from the office :)

[03:56:24]

mchou:

some folks (on windows forums) are saying HVR-1600 can tune clear QAM

[03:57:08]

mchou:

I was under the impression Hauppauge didn't put any qam capabilities on HVR-1600

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hads:

Are you streaming locally or over a LAN?

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GreyFoxx:

hads: I've done it both from one box to another, and currently locally so the traffic never leaves the box itself

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hads:

Cool

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mchou:

ahh, ok, only certain cersions of HVR-1600 support QAM. go figure

[03:58:52]

mchou:

versions*

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GreyFoxx:

VLC is running around 12% of the CPU, and mythbackend doing the 8 recordings is around 2%

[03:59:21]

hads:

Nice

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clever:

lol whoa

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clever:

my box can bearly do 1 recording under 90%:P

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GreyFoxx:

clever: heh

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clever:

damn dirty frame grabber:P

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javabugz:

kormoc: mythvideo via mythweb also broken with utf8 filenames

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clever:

i recently found a webpage that shows that my cablebox outputs raw hd content unencrypted on the data port

[04:00:47]

clever:

but it needs some kind of converter to be used with an hd tv

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clever:

that MIGHT be useable on high quality mythtv recording(digital->digital)

[04:01:01]

** clever finds it **

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GreyFoxx:

This makes me wonder though, how many HDTV channels people see on asingle multiplex with their OTA signal

[04:01:36]

mchou:

clever: it's called firewire

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clever:

my box doesnt have firewire

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clever:

or usb

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clever:

http://www.tussh.com/angus/dct2000.php

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clever:

'HDTV output

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clever:

There is an output on the back to the unit labeled High Speed data. This is the unencrypted HDTV data. It needs to be fed into an HDTV decoder HDD 200. This is probably a lot cheaper than ditching your DCT 2000 and than buying a new HDTV capable box.'

[04:02:43]

clever:

and the image matches my box exactly

[04:04:33]

mchou:

clever: instead of hacking just upgrade to DCT-6200 already

[04:04:42]

clever:

lol

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kormoc:

javabugz, care to open a ticket on svn.mythtv.org with a few examples of broken filenames

[04:04:49]

clever:

all my tv's are standard def

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mchou:

clever: so?

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clever:

no point in upgrading to hd boxes

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mchou:

clever: your comp monitoe is Hi Def

[04:05:09]

clever:

but i was thinking if i can do a digital->digital recording with mythtv

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hadees:

of QUERY_CHECKFILE.

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mchou:

monitor*

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clever:

theres no need to encode the data

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clever:

which means less cpu usage

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mchou:

encode??

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mchou:

wtf are you talking about?

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clever:

frame grabber thru composite out atm

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clever:

it digitizes the frames then encodes and compresses to mpeg4

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mchou:

firewire is mpeg2 stream, already encoded

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clever:

i dont have any firewire boxes

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mchou:

that's why I say "get one"

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clever:

i still dont have any firewire on any linux pc

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mchou:

lol

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clever:

the only firewire port in the house is onboard with a xp box

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mchou:

a firewire card costs $15

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clever:

and its useless with nothing to connect it to

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clever:

i dont have a job either:P

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mchou:

pci

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mchou:

then you need to stop watching tv

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javabugz:

kormoc: i am looking at a few files and see if i can fix it

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clever:

mchou: my dad is paying the cable bill because he also watches it

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javabugz:

if so..i'll submit the fix along witht the bug report

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clever:

but he has no intrest at all in even watching the tv when im using mythtv:P

[04:08:32]

clever:

as soon as i load a recording on the tv to show him something he trys to run for it

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mchou:

clever: that's cause your dad has a job

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kormoc:

javabugz, erm... wait... you said you're not using svn?

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clever:

yet he watches shows live in the other room when he could be doing work and watching it in mythtv later

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hadees:

hmm that is interesting i just stopped the recording and tried to tune to the channel i was recording my hdtv program on and it couldn't find the channel or rather for some reason it wasn't coming up

[04:09:14]

hadees:

but i checked my TVs QAm tuner and found it there

[04:09:17]

hadees:

the signal didn't change

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javabugz:

kormoc: no I am not

[04:09:31]

Anduin:

javabugz: are you sure it is broken?

[04:09:43]

javabugz:

i think i can just do a svn -update in my folder

[04:09:50]

kormoc:

javabugz, ahh... that explains thing then. it was re-written in the current svn tree, and works for me

[04:09:58]

kormoc:

javabugz, you'll need to upgrade your backend likely

[04:10:15]

javabugz:

what is your version?

[04:10:39]

hadees:

and i can get other HDTV channels

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kormoc:

javabugz, revision 13486

[04:11:04]

hadees:

how the hell can i debug this

[04:11:55]

javabugz:

mine was 13375

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kormoc:

javabugz, which branch? -fixes or -trunk?

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hads:

Bear in mind that revisions can be any brach.

[04:12:27]

javabugz:

i am not sure

[04:12:37]

hads:

svn info

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javabugz:

the one that got gentoo ebuild

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kormoc:

javabugz, that would be -fixes

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hadees:

hmm this is something even stranger, it only is happening on one channel... could they have changed something that keeps mythtv from getting HDTV but not my TV's QAM tuner

[04:14:31]

javabugz:

kormoc: you think the trunk branch 13486 would have utf8 fixes?

[04:14:55]

kormoc:

javabugz, I hope so. I put a bit of work into it to attempt to make it utf-8 safe

[04:15:22]

kormoc:

javabugz, it's just been untested afaik tho

[04:16:47]

javabugz:

kormoc: is it possible to use just mythvideo part from that branch with the rest at 0.20.1?

[04:17:02]

hads:

No

[04:17:43]

kormoc:

likely not

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mchou:

lame ass shit. 24 is such a lame program

[04:18:12]

Anduin:

javabugz: This is just in mythweb or in the actual MythVideo plugin?

[04:18:15]

mchou:

time to stop recording that crappy show.

[04:18:26]

javabugz:

mythvideo plugin

[04:18:29]

Anduin:

lucky for you it is over

[04:18:49]

mchou:

Anduin: nope, at least 3 more seasons

[04:18:51]

Anduin:

javabugz: How do you know it is broken?

[04:19:42]

javabugz:

Andui: it can't seem to display or process filenames with utf8 chars

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Anduin:

javabugz: The display is possibly font related, I'd be more interested it that actual DB data were invalid.

[04:20:37]

javabugz:

it is db-related

[04:20:40]

javabugz:

not font

[04:21:09]

javabugz:

since mythvideo via mythweb is also broken with those filenames

[04:21:28]

javabugz:

font is arial

[04:21:50]

javabugz:

working in both X & KDE with utf8 support

[04:22:01]

javabugz:

mysqld is set up with utf8 by default

[04:22:31]

javabugz:

kconsole lists those utf8 filesnames correctly

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Aquahallic:

anyone running mythweb?

[04:34:25]

Aquahallic:

after setting up mythweb I get this error

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Aquahallic:

/var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/.htaccess: Invalid command 'php_value', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration

[04:34:31]

Aquahallic:

anyone seen this?

[04:37:07]

xris:

Aquahallic: yeah, it means you need to upgrade apache or do those commands another way (php.ini)

[04:39:08]

Aquahallic:

I'm running 2.0.58-r2

[04:39:23]

Aquahallic:

something I need to change??

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kormoc:

Aquahallic, install php?

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Aquahallic:

it is...:/

[04:42:00]

kormoc:

mod_php defines those, so something is screwy with your box

[04:42:36]

Aquahallic:

:/

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hadees:

so here is what i don't get, mythtv can no longer record the CBS HDTV channel over QAM, when i go to the channel i get a black screen. However my TV's QAM tuner can still view it and mythtv-setup's channel scanner also picks it up

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JoeyJoeJo:

I rebooted my myth box and now my recordings aren't showing up. They exist where they always have, but mythfrontend says there are none.

[04:52:46]

JoeyJoeJo:

the reason I rebooted was to install a dvd-+rw drive

[04:52:52]

JoeyJoeJo:

would that have effected anything?

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JoeyJoeJo:

I found the problem. PHPMyAdmin was saying that my recordedprograms.MYI file was corrupt, so I fixed it

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Beirdo:

Mmmm, Sun E4500

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hadees:

well i found a bug in mythtv dvb scanner application

[05:56:25]

hads:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/newticket

[05:56:50]

hadees:

yeah i'll do that tomorrow, i'm too tired to write a bug right now

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esperegu:

bonan matenon.

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esperegu:

which DVB-T adapter should I buy for mythtv?

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xris:

esperegu: check the list at linuxtv.org

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esperegu:

xris: thx

[06:46:33]

** xris assumes that there is a dvb-t list like there is for atsc cards **

[06:47:13]

esperegu:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_devices

[06:47:15]

esperegu:

;-)

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esperegu:

think I will take usb.

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juski:

bleh

[07:56:43]

Joe543:

anyone know how to customize encoding settings within nuvexport (different audio... etc)?

[07:57:25]

juski:

yeah. customise the scripts

[07:58:05]

juski:

next!

[07:58:32]

Joe543:

im looking at them now... but im not a programmer... not sure where to start

[07:59:49]

juski:

well look at what the commands would be when you run nuvexport with --debug, then read the manual of the individual commands that would call (e.g. transcode or ffmpeg) then adjust the script accordingly.

[07:59:51]

Joe543:

is there another set of scripts I could use?

[08:00:03]

Joe543:

i see

[08:00:09]

juski:

anyway what's wrong with the defaults?

[08:00:26]

juski:

you want to use ogg instead of mp3 audio or something?

[08:02:40]

Joe543:

divx, and xvid look like crap... I thought that my codec installed where messed up, so I installed a different app called Avidemux then transcoded a sample and it looks great

[08:03:42]

Joe543:

but then again I really like nuvexport.... so im tryin to match the settings up

[08:04:12]

juski:

xvid can look good if you use multiple passes

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juski:

then again if you have ubuntu's ffmpeg, xvid is about all you get

[08:05:16]

juski:

damn software patent scaredy cats

[08:05:19]

Joe543:

im running Fedora Core v5

[08:07:02]

juski:

you have my sympathy :)

[08:07:11]

Joe543:

=p

[08:07:56]

Joe543:

its better then Windowz

[08:08:11]

slaine_:

seems that feisty has pretty good support for mythtv these days, planning on using that in my mythtv refresh

[08:10:59]

juski:

yeah it's VERY hard to go wrong installing mythtv on feisty. very hard indeed. people still manage though. fecking eejits

[08:11:14]

slaine_:

rofl

[08:11:29]

slaine_:

juski, You must have some irish blood for a comment like that

[08:11:41]

juski:

it's swearing without really swearing

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juski:

I'm cutting down

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juski:

mornin gbee

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gbee:

morning all

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doc|home:

juski: irish?

[08:12:43]

Joe543:

mornin

[08:12:55]

doc|home:

or too much father ted?

[08:13:08]

juski:

doc|home: too much saying f*ck in a logged channel more like

[08:13:31]

doc|home:

:)

[08:13:45]

slaine_:

It was more the eejit part to be honest. Nobody but us Irish say that, it's ours :)

[08:14:07]

slaine_:

Everyone and his dog says feck now thanks to Father Ted

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doc|home:

hello mr gray :)

[08:14:15]

juski:

need a better insult word that isn't actually sweary

[08:14:34]

Joe543:

juski:so when you use nuvexport, which settings do you use to encode your files?

[08:14:45]

juski:

anyway – point being.. if you can't install mythtv on feisty there's NO HOPE for you

[08:14:47]

doc|home:

slaine_: you the same glen gray who sold a video game on the ilug list about two years ago?

[08:14:57]

slaine_:

Sure, 'tis I

[08:15:05]

doc|home:

:) small world :))

[08:15:06]

juski:

Joe543: hahaha I don't use nuvexport. I rarely archive anything

[08:15:17]

doc|home:

stupid keyboard

[08:15:27]

juski:

and when I do, I don't use xvid or divx or any other mpeg4 format

[08:15:33]

Joe543:

damm

[08:15:47]

juski:

leave it as mpeg2 – plenty room on the HDD

[08:16:00]

Joe543:

juski:and you use default settings?

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Joe543:

juski:im otta room on my 300gig drv

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hads:

Delete some stuff

[08:16:55]

Joe543:

hads:great idea!

[08:17:10]

doc|home:

hmmm, anyone on gentoo having a problem playing things which are currently recording?

[08:18:34]

slaine_:

doc|home, not the answer you're looking for, but I was doing that fine on sunday night on Dapper Drake with 0.19

[08:18:51]

doc|home:

man, the history channel in north america sucks. CSI? wtf?

[08:19:00]

doc|home:

slaine_: yeah, was working for me too until recently

[08:19:09]

slaine_:

On the history channel ?

[08:19:27]

slaine_:

doc|home, Any errors in dmesg that could mean a faulty drive ?

[08:19:52]

doc|home:

nope, nothing really

[08:19:55]

juski:

watch more – keep less :)

[08:19:59]

doc|home:

ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data.

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doc|home:

ivtv0: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough.

[08:20:17]

doc|home:

but I've always had those. Something funky in the kernel and nvidia chipsets I think

[08:24:40]

juski:

time to test the svn mythweb streamy stream stream

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slaine_:

doc|home, could be the PCI latencies ?

[08:27:32]

slaine_:

the data from ivtv is being streamed to disk, so there's something i/o related i'd imagine

[08:27:44]

slaine_:

Is dma active ?, what has changed recently

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doc|home:

slaine_: no idea, but I get generally crappy response times. It's like it's swapping, but I get the same thing when gkrellm is showing 300+ MB free memory :/

[08:31:08]

slaine_:

it definitely sounds i/o related, what's top report as the wait %

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doc|home:

yeah, I think so. Where do I see wait? Cpu(s): 35.2%us, 1.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 63.3%id, 0.3%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.2%si, 0.0%st

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juski:

streamy stream stream is niiiiice :)

[08:41:42]

juski:

quality's a bit like youtube – i.e. nonexistent but hey

[08:43:51]

juski:

ahhh "/usr/bin/ffmpeg -y -i $filename -s 320x240 -r 24 -f flv -ar 11025 -ab 64k -b 256k /dev/stdout |"

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hads:

Yup

[08:44:22]

juski:

we could have a db column for that :)

[08:44:31]

juski:

or 2

[08:44:47]

juski:

or cookie

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hads:

I believe it's just temporary waiting for the backend transcoding stuff to go in.

[08:45:00]

juski:

ah right

[08:45:30]

juski:

from not being at all bothered about placeshifting I'm flipping towards 'quite excited'

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hads:

Pretty cool huh.

[08:46:42]

juski:

not from a personal PoV so much but there are a lot of poor misguided people who like that sort of stick

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Merlin83b:

I'd use it in a very limited way.

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Merlin83b:

But for that I'd have to update from my few months old SVN which is working fine tyvm :)

[08:47:17]

juski:

we can use it to show off.. it's a *very* 'cool' feature

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Merlin83b:

Yeah

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hads:

I don't know if I'd use it much either, I just think it's groovy.

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juski:

try doing that, peevo

[08:47:39]

juski:

try doing that, MCE :-P

[08:47:44]

juski:

nyer nyer nyer nyer

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juski:

oh did slingbox just go bust? whoops!

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Merlin83b:

Did they?

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Merlin83b:

Hehe.

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juski:

I was speaking hypothetically ;)

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slaine_:

Anyone here familiar with the EuroVox Max boxes ?

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DGnome:

How do i capture a dvb stream? Very simple application, just need to test the stream

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slaine_:

cat /dev/video0 > output.mpg ?

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slaine_:

There's surely a v4l equiv ?

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DGnome:

I've seen how it's done several times with a simple dvb-something tool but just cant remeber what :D

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slaine_:

If only there was some what to search the internet

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directhex|work:

DGnome, you want to actually capture the stream, you're not just trying to test your ability to tune?

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DGnome:

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juski:

DGnome: tzap for dvb-t

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DGnome:

signal strenght is not the issue

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juski:

czap for dvb-c and szap for dvb-s :)

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DGnome:

czap in my case

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DGnome:

:)

[09:02:26]

juski:

we just had a fun idea here. snoop the RF of them new drone cameras the police are gonna be trialling & reverse engineer the protocol to gain control :-P

[09:03:03]

directhex|work:

juski, do the drone cameras have the loudspeakers in, or was that another orwellian nightmare project?

[09:04:46]

juski:

directhex|work: I dunno yet. I think it's all the more spooky since Skynet came into being not so very long ago

[09:05:00]

juski:

RoTM !!! :-O

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directhex|work:

juski, *gently caress* – has it become self-aware yet?

[09:05:53]

juski:

it'll have to be soon enough – the people controlling it can't be classed as intelligent.. i.e. the Police

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directhex|work:

what the *tender loving* *gently caress* are you *tender lovers* up to?

[09:07:02]

directhex|work:

tee hee, it works

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juski:

I was trying that yesterday, but the trigger.pl script doesn't work on outgoing text, only incoming

[09:08:22]

directhex|work:

really? *gently caress*!

[09:09:15]

directhex|work:

eep, wedding is getting closer. /me feels painfully grown up & responsible :(

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directhex|work:

dear top-up tv, *gently caress* off! i really don't want your crappy PVR. the regular programming is bad enough, without castrating my ability to timeshift your daytime-tv hours. love directhex

[09:21:16]

slaine_:

So, to recap, nobody here has head of the EuroVox boxes then ?

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slaine_:

http://www.eurovox.tv

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directhex|work:

erm, should that url work?

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slaine_:

You'd think, http://www.euromax.tv/info.htm

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nupster:

good evening guys, anyone use samba? and notice video files getting corrupt

[09:23:08]

slaine_:

Tell you what, third times the charm

[09:23:10]

slaine_:

http://www.euromax.tv/index.htm

[09:23:18]

juuva:

hmmh.. fujitsu has released h264-chip that can decode full HDtv stream in realtime

[09:23:41]

directhex|work:

juuva, with gpl'd drivers and a .diff sent to mplayer upstream! no, wait...

[09:24:41]

juuva:

plah.. only capable to interlaced HDtv: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/21/fujit . . . e_chip_h264/

[09:25:40]

juuva:

read news on one language and then look at sources :/

[09:26:16]

directhex|work:

el reg is hardly news

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juski:

nupster: use nfs

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juski:

slaine_: oo naughty cable boxen eh?!

[09:34:51]

slaine_:

Yeah, I've been hearing lots about from people that I wouldn't have expected to (i.e. my Dad and his drinking buddys)

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juski:

slaine_: looks like a dbox2 in concept, only not sh1te

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nupster:

juski, what do you mean use nfs?

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juski:

might be capable of working with mythtv's ip recorder with some er.. persuasion, slaine_

[09:35:54]

slaine_:

Seems to work very well and was thinking of getting one, but if it's running linux, I'd like to strip out the relevant parts and have it on my mythtv box, if possible.

[09:36:01]

juski:

nupster: I mean don't use samba – it's crap compared to NFS

[09:36:27]

juski:

slaine_: softcams are the work of the devil

[09:37:04]

juski:

and your cable provider would be within their rights to sue yo ass off and / or disconnect your service

[09:37:13]

slaine_:

indeed

[09:38:13]

directhex|work:

and eat your puppy

[09:38:24]

nupster:

juski got any good docs on it?

[09:38:48]

slaine_:

nupster, It's standard unix file share, edit /etc/exports

[09:39:08]

hads:

Crap compared to NFS, that's saying something :)

[09:39:18]

slaine_:

and make sure nfsd is running

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directhex|work:

it's different to NFS. i woulcn't call it worse

[09:39:36]

nupster:

what a headache samba caused me good thing I didnt transfer all the videos

[09:39:44]

nupster:

or I would of had a bunch of corrupt ones

[09:39:47]

hads:

Yeah, they both work in their own special ways.

[09:40:19]

directhex|work:

special as in special school

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directhex|work:

sshfs!

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juski:

nfs is file sharing for mortals

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juski:

samba is erm... compatible with windows and is erm.. slow as hell

[09:45:04]

juski:

for when you really want to make sure file copies happen, rsync ftw!

[09:45:06]

hads:

They aren't that different in speed really.

[09:45:09]

juuva:

lustre.

[09:45:13]

directhex|work:

well i'm gonna make my OWN network file system

[09:45:14]

juski:

hads: in my experience they are

[09:45:15]

directhex|work:

with blackjack

[09:45:17]

directhex|work:

and hookers

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juski:

directhex|work: hookernet ?

[09:45:42]

juski:

like sneakernet but using bodily fluids?

[09:46:05]

directhex|work:

hm. /me looks into UPSen

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hads:

juski: Fair enough. On the couple of small 10/100 LANs I've tested they've been pretty identical.

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juuva:

anyone used TwinhanDTV Ter-CI (3030 Mantis) for paytv-channels (or at least used in linux)?

[09:50:38]

juski:

juuva: for UK pay TV I wouldn't bother unless you're a huge fan of The A-Team

[09:51:44]

directhex|work:

DAA da da DAAAAAAAA! da da daaaaaa!

[09:52:46]

juski:

and if you were, I wouldn't admit it in public if I were you :-P

[09:54:14]

juuva:

Finnish pay-tv, only way to see some sports as live

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nupster:

juski now that I got the nfs server up how do I view it in windows what kinda client do i need?

[09:54:39]

nupster:

the windows website wasnt much help

[09:55:22]

juuva:

that specific model is unlisted at linuxtv wiki and I would be purchasing that just for a CAM module

[09:56:08]

directhex|work:

don't buy things that aren't on linuxtv

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directhex|work:

get a technotrend, they're all supported

[10:01:22]

hads:

I don't know if it's _all_

[10:02:06]

juski:

nupster: oh you wanna use NFS with windows? lol

[10:02:32]

DGnome:

anybody want to see a stream dump of what happens when saa7146 meets ICH8 ? And I repeat, this is not a signal problem.

[10:02:39]

** juski pats the windows users on the head in a patronising manner **

[10:02:40]

nupster:

yep

[10:02:46]

nupster:

:(

[10:02:49]

nupster:

thats not good

[10:02:53]

nupster:

whats my best bet?

[10:03:10]

nupster:

ftp?

[10:03:26]

juuva:

problem is that technotrend isn't sold here.. How about CI/CAM modules that use serial/usb-port? Anyone using those?

[10:04:26]

directhex|work:

serial/usb = soft

[10:04:54]

juuva:

basicly, yes

[10:05:36]

directhex|work:

soft = not supported here

[10:09:00]

DGnome:

http://dgnome.slashbox.net/stream.dump <-- this is not a signal problem. keywords are saa7146 and ICH8

[10:15:47]

DGnome:

tried both technotrend and satelco tuners, out of which both work fine in an amd-machine in the exact same scenario

[10:17:01]

DGnome:

something screws up the stream between the saa7146 chip and the rest of the intel machine

[10:17:33]

DGnome:

i have two fairly similar intel ich8 based motherboards here and both show the same symptoms

[10:21:23]

DGnome:

I'd really appreciate some help in where to begin debugging..

[10:25:25]

gbee:

juski: did you get the audio working with the flash stream?

[10:26:01]

hads:

You still haven't?

[10:26:48]

gbee:

nope

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gardengnome:

DGnome: have you tried playing with the pci latency settings yet?

[10:27:38]

DGnome:

gardengnome: have not had time but will give it a try

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hads:

gbee: You think it's a firefox/flash issue?

[10:28:07]

DGnome:

gardengnome: in the bios, right?

[10:29:05]

gardengnome:

DGnome: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_Latency

[10:29:49]

gbee:

hads: the stream is fine, so it's either firefox or flash – opera doesn't have audio either though

[10:30:29]

hads:

Bummer. I know little about the flash plugin.

[10:30:55]

hads:

I know I used to have issues with sound but I haven't lately.

[10:33:57]

hads:

gbee: Some interesting comments about the flash plugin here; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fla . . . e/+bug/29760

[10:41:54]

gbee:

hads: thanks

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hads:

np, not sure if it's relavant but worth a try I guess.

[10:42:41]

DGnome:

gardengnome: tried pci latency 32, 128 and 248, no change in stream quality at all

[10:44:20]

Dagmar:

Only bit rate will affect stream quality

[10:44:42]

DGnome:

Dagmar: quality as in amount of artefact

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DGnome:

+s

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hads:

Your nicks are annoyingly similar :)

[10:45:41]

Dagmar:

DGnome: PCI Latency is not going to affect that

[10:46:20]

Dagmar:

Allow the thing a greater bitrate for recording if you want a more finely detailed image

[10:46:38]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: quality as in "artefacts caused by a broken chipset" or something similar

[10:46:43]

DGnome:

Dagmar: this is bit by bit capture from DVB

[10:46:44]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: it's a DVB device anyways

[10:47:17]

Dagmar:

Then unless big chunks of the stream are disappearing, the problem is in the tuner

[10:47:23]

DGnome:

Dagmar: lastlog stream.dump for a taste of my problem

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Dagmar:

Why the hell would I run lastlog on a video stream

[10:47:54]

DGnome:

Dagmar: well, the tuner works fine in an amd/nForce-system

[10:48:23]

DGnome:

Dagmar: well sorry, lastlog to find the url to my dump.stream

[10:48:40]

Dagmar:

I saw the stream. I'm not downloading a massive video file

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DGnome:

13MB?

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DGnome:

massive?

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Dagmar:

I'm still not doing it

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DGnome:

k

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DGnome:

no flatrate in you part of the world? :)

[10:49:15]

Dagmar:

13Mb would be what, ten seconds?

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DGnome:

i'll check that

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Dagmar:

I fail to see how it would be useful

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DGnome:

fifteen-20 seconds

[10:50:30]

Dagmar:

Either way, if you set the PCI latency to 248 and you're still getting stream corruption, then clearly that's not the problem now is it

[10:51:43]

DGnome:

yes, I reported that

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DGnome:

What else could I try?

[10:55:38]

DGnome:

janneg: blootube seems to eat memory allright ^^

[10:56:20]

janneg:

nah, it's more an buglet in mythtv. it holds all images in memory

[10:56:42]

DGnome:

both good and bad?

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DGnome:

I'm loosing my mental health with theese intel-machines :/

[10:58:21]

directhex|work:

shoulda bought ich7. ich7 is fine

[10:58:50]

DGnome:

shouldn't be any difference

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gbee:

hads: finally getting somewhere – at least when I playing a flash video I'm getting the same error about a missing alsa lib to stdout

[10:59:36]

directhex|work:

shouldn't be, no.

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juski:

gbee: yeah but I've not played it in linux yet

[11:00:01]

directhex|work:

but the fact remains that ich7 is fine, and somewhat better supported as a whole

[11:00:33]

DGnome:

directhex|work: lack of support does not seem to be problem afik

[11:00:52]

DGnome:

directhex|work: afaik..

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gbee:

juski: well once we do the transcoding within mythtv, that will probably get fixed – at least all the streams that mythtranscode currently handles should be ok

[11:01:55]

gbee:

janneg: is there a good reason for those images to be in-memory?

[11:02:01]

directhex|work:

DGnome, you're the one who's pointing to ICH8 as the problem factor.

[11:03:12]

janneg:

I can't think of any other than no need to reload & rescale if they are needed

[11:04:25]

directhex|work:

shove the lot into opengl textures at full size, generate mipmaps, then scaling is free!

[11:04:29]

mariominati:

i've got a xscreensaver question

[11:04:40]

gbee:

well in theory they should already be scaled to the correct size, so it's just a matter of whether it can load them fast enough to maintain smooth operation

[11:04:40]

directhex|work:

everyone has 640mb graphics cards, right?

[11:05:23]

mariominati:

in the source the command xscrennsaver-command is invoked while setting up xscreensaver-x11 object

[11:06:09]

mariominati:

why is a script with that name in usr/bin never invoked?

[11:08:05]

gbee:

and are we loading _all_ images, or just those which are of immediate use? Considering that bigger and better themes are going to use ever increasing amounts of memory, I think addressing this should be a high priority

[11:09:24]

janneg:

on the other hand, ram is cheap. I think it's more important to fix the memory waste of the qt painter

[11:09:59]

janneg:

images are twice in RAM, once by mythfrontend and once in the x server

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DGnome:

If anyone has ideas on how to mend my problem, I'm all ears...

[11:12:17]

gbee:

hads: found my problem, they broke 32bit compatibility in alsa 1.0.14_rc2

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gbee:

janneg: both issues should probably be addressed, I've added them to my list and if I ever get the time I'll take a look

[11:14:10]

gbee:

gbee: hads: found my problem, they broke 32bit compatibility in alsa 1.0.14_rc2

[11:14:15]

** hads shakes his fist at irssi **

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hads:

gbee: Ahh, least you know what it is now.

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gbee:

janneg: if mythfrontend Blootube-wide uses half a gig, I shudder to think what a theme with even more images will use and it's completely unnecessary

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directhex|work:

time for another libmythui rewrite!

[11:19:56]

janneg:

I'm not sure if you can use more and bigger images than Blootube-wide

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janneg:

directhex|work: nah, just add ondemand loading as feature

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directhex|work:

janneg, hm, not convinced. it's slow enough already (is the xml cached? seems not)

[11:27:04]

GreyFoxx:

It's not the XML, that's processed once, it's the QImage stuff being kinda slow

[11:27:40]

Dagmar:

Surely there's enough space to wedge a few more 80 frame animations in there

[11:29:17]

GreyFoxx:

I notice how slow it is in mythvideo with movie cover posters

[11:30:53]

directhex|work:

this sounds like a job for a mythical SoC student!

[11:42:47]

juski:

can'tcha just load images on the fly?

[11:43:16]

directhex|work:

how are the images stored in memory at the moment?

[11:43:27]

juski:

uncompressed, scaled to the UI size

[11:43:38]

juski:

with alpha info too

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juski:

that'd make em 32 bit I spose

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** directhex|work suspects this is another thing that would be solved if the qt painter didn't need supporting **

[11:44:38]

** juski votes for qt painter byebyes **

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juski:

directhex|work: you mean use texture ram on the VGA card via opengl? ;)

[11:46:40]

directhex|work:

juski, erm, yes. and as i suggested, sod prescaling in the process. load the full-on textures, mipmap 'em, and give the option of window scaling to desktop frontend users

[11:48:03]

juski:

be good to see a proof of concept to see how much prescaling & image caching is actually necessary

[11:48:38]

thoraxe:

directhex – you were talking about win32 yesterday, are you porting myth to windows?

[11:48:41]

juski:

just please God don't make it as CPU hogging as MediaPortal

[11:49:13]

directhex|work:

thoraxe, nah, i had heard someone had it building & running, wanted to try it myself

[11:49:28]

thoraxe:

yes i would like to as well

[11:49:37]

juski:

thoraxe: move away from slashdot, put down the digg-er :)

[11:49:56]

thoraxe:

i'd rather run a win32 myth front end and just have a linux fileserver and myth back end

[11:49:57]

directhex|work:

the result of my efforts was "um, nope"

[11:50:16]

thoraxe:

but if i can't, owel

[11:50:48]

thoraxe:

man, huge hds are so cheap these days i'm debating whether i should just get two huge drives and have a mirror and a smaller machine than have 4 drives on raid5 lol

[11:51:56]

Ruleke:

easy calculation :)

[11:52:05]

thoraxe:

yeah yeah math math

[11:53:41]

thoraxe:

is mythdora any good? i didn't have too much success with knoppmyth but that was a year ago

[11:53:44]

juski:

I'll keep my diskless, lightweight fast booting linux frontend thanks :D

[11:53:55]

thoraxe:

yeah i saw that cf build

[11:54:03]

juski:

CF? bah!

[11:54:06]

juski:

diskless I say!

[11:54:10]

Ruleke:

:)

[11:54:13]

thoraxe:

oh, net boot?

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Ruleke:

need some ram for that tho :)

[11:56:00]

thoraxe:

yeah i mean it would be cool but what are you saving? a little bit of noise/heat/power?

[11:56:50]

thoraxe:

unless the whole thing is contained in something as small as that super tiny mac, i'd rather just have a laptop hdd or something

[11:57:16]

juski:

I'm saying I like my frontend booting up in under 30s & not having the size/heat/power/noise/expense of its own storage :)

[11:58:03]

juski:

STR would be great if the NIC would come back online every time

[11:58:24]

thoraxe:

juski you got a writeup on your frontend build?

[11:58:31]

juski:

linpvr.org

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juski:

too many people blog about their puny efforts, so figured there's no point doing it myself

[11:59:30]

juski:

"I got this case, put a board with a CPU & some RAM inside, hooked up a HDD & put linux on it! AWESOME"

[11:59:50]

juski:

</raving cynic>

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thoraxe:

well yeah but i mean if you had built a myth front end inside a planters peanut can, that would be something

[12:00:51]

juski:

you prolly could with nano-itx boards

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directhex|work:

pico-itx!

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thoraxe:

fenmto?

[12:01:50]

thoraxe:

-n

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juski:

yeah pico-itx too :)

[12:03:14]

juski:

mac mini would get my vote though. way better than that asus fugly monster

[12:03:49]

thoraxe:

juski: what mobo are YOU using

[12:03:59]

juski:

separate front & backends is the way to get big ugly noisy (or big, ugly, silent, expensive) boxes out of the livingroom :)

[12:04:03]

directhex|work:

juski, but with a mac mini, what are your remote options?

[12:04:04]

juski:

epia m10000

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juski:

directhex|work: er.. some USB wart or bluetooth

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directhex|work:

24" is as big as they get

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thoraxe:

you could probably run myth on an imac

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directhex|work:

and they run mythfrontend fine

[12:07:40]

thoraxe:

because osx is linux based

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directhex|work:

thoraxe, no, it isn't

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thoraxe:

err unix

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directhex|work:

or run linux on it directly, if you want control over the system

[12:08:34]

thoraxe:

sorry, i wasn't implying running myth on osx

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thoraxe:

i was implying that you could probaby run *nix on mac hardware since it already runs a nix-based OS

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directhex|work:

probably. http://apebox.org/imglibrary.php?section=thre . . . IMG_0120.JPG

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gbee:

well I got sound working with flash, in the end all I had to do was install the 32bit alsa libs

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directhex|work:

yes!

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directhex|work:

my web browser lives in a chroot anyway

[12:48:45]

gbee:

so now I just need to allow the audio/video bitrate to be changed in mythweb

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mariominati:

any idea why don't get a 'XScreenSaver support enabled' in the logs even xscreensaver is installed and I'am logging --verbose all

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juski:

OSX is BSD based if anything IIRC

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Redth:

yup

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j-rod:

sphery: got the right bits in place now, and the flash thingy Just Works. And may I say... SCHWEET

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** j-rod heads to the office now, need to test how well it works streaming from home to the office... :) **

[13:02:04]

stinkytoe:

can anyone help me with this database problem? http://pastebin.ca/502259

[13:04:03]

mariominati:

mysql and the mysqlqtlibs installed?

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stinkytoe:

everything was working fine, had ~100GB of stuff, my computer locked up hard, and now this...

[13:09:21]

juski:

oh / filled up & mysql had a doodoo in its underwear?

[13:09:34]

directhex|work:

stickyicky, you need to run some repairs on your DB. or what juski said

[13:09:44]

stinkytoe:

heh nevermind, found a mailing list posting explaining which script to run

[13:09:49]

juski:

just restore a backup of the database of course :)

[13:10:16]

stinkytoe:

nope mythtv has it's own partition just to prevent that! ;)

[13:10:26]

juski:

ye gads! whaddya mean you didn't back up the database every night?! ;)

[13:11:01]

stinkytoe:

well my 100 terabyte optical drive is on the fritz again....

[13:11:08]

juski:

gbee: getting a badge sample soon. the quality should be amazing compared to the last ones :)

[13:11:29]

juski:

if the sample is good, gonna go with an order of 250

[13:11:50]

gbee:

well I liked the last ones, so this should be interesting ;)

[13:12:23]

stinkytoe:

anyways thx for looking, i'll just have to remember to check that mailing list first in the future.

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gbee:

this time I'll try not to lose mine

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sphery:

j-rod: Sweet. Glad it's working for you.

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sphery:

gbee: Any luck on your Flash audio?

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gbee:

sphery: yeah, got it working – turned out to be a lack of 32bit compatibility in alsa 1.0.14, installing the 32bit libs alongside the 64bit ones got things working

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sphery:

Cool. Makes sense.

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gbee:

apparently they removed or just broke the 32bit compatibility in 1.0.14, the only other alternative to installing the 32bit libs would have been to downgrade to 1.0.13 which isn't that easy because of all the dependancies

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j-rod:

hell.

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j-rod:

well, it worked nicely within the house...

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j-rod:

to the office, currently getting "... has sent an incorrect or unexpected message. Error Code: -12263"

[13:40:35]

j-rod:

ah, ssl problem

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jonesy_:

has anyone had trouble with the DVICO fusionHDTV remote receiving signals when you've stopped pressing the buttons?

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juski:

gbee: seriously, I thought the last ones were proper cacka

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sphery:

Was just about to tell j-rod that means he's sending https request to a non-SSL server

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sphery:

j-rod: Make sure you set the "Force http ..." setting. Might have a different session (i.e. for a different username/password).

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juski:

my svn dustbin doesn't seem to remember settings like that

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j-rod:

sphery: I'll tinker w/it some, everything works fine over http-alone

[13:49:56]

j-rod:

is the ffmpeg process supposed to keep going after I hit stop?

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sphery:

The SVN is using login credentials to identify sessions. Do you have authentication turned on juski ?

[13:50:23]

juski:

nope

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sphery:

j-rod: No. And, TTBOMK, it doesn't for xris, but it does for me and some others...

[13:50:42]

sphery:

Someone mentioned it to xris in the other channel.

[13:50:51]

j-rod:

hrm.

[13:51:27]

j-rod:

on a related note, glad I upgraded the cpus in my backend a few weeks ago...

[13:51:50]

sphery:

gbee's the one who mentioned it...

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sphery:

j-rod: Are you doing HDTV?

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j-rod:

ah, there's these LocationMatch parts in the provided mythweb.conf...

[13:52:31]

gbee:

yeah, somethings broken or changed in the latest version of php

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j-rod:

apache complains when I enable them

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sphery:

j-rod: move them after the Directory

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j-rod:

sphery: all testing thus far is w/sdtv material

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sphery:

Just curious. I'm wondering how many have systems that can transcode HDTV on the fly.

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directhex|work:

HAHAHA

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sphery:

Especially since--in my HDTV setup, at least--my backends are seriously underpowered (Athlon XP 2000+) and my frontend has all the horsepower.

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j-rod:

my backend is actually beefier than my frontend now

[13:54:19]

j-rod:

dual opteron 252 (2.6GHz)

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sphery:

Nice.

[13:54:36]

j-rod:

one proc pegged doing transcoding

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j-rod:

oh, and seeking through the file seems to work...

[13:55:09]

j-rod:

is it transcoding as fast as it can, perhaps?

[13:55:18]

sphery:

Really?

[13:55:20]

sphery:

Must be.

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j-rod:

and can I say that this is the coolest addition to mythtv in a while :)

[13:55:42]

sphery:

I guess I can't seek because the backends are just keeping up with the realtime transcode.

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j-rod:

I'll see what happens w/some hdtv stuff...

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juski:

I agree about the 'cool' comment. not necessarily 'useful' though ;)

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sphery:

Yeah, but when you're bragging, you don't have to show people the useful stuff. :)

[13:57:42]

j-rod:

oh no, this is actually very useful for me

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sphery:

I'm still a fan of copy to my laptop harddrive to maintain quality and "off-line" watchability--especially considering how bad most hotel 'net connections are.

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mariominati:

:'(

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sphery:

Perhaps it's asking too much--for even a dual opteron 252 system. :)

[14:01:23]

j-rod:

gah. wait a minute...

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j-rod:

since enabling that LocationMatch bit, NOTHING works.. :)

[14:02:15]

** j-rod flips those bits off again... **

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sphery:

The LocationMatch is supposed to just disable authentication for streaming (so you don't have to type in username/password for both the SSL and non-SSL side).

[14:02:44]

sphery:

did you move them after the Directory section?

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j-rod:

yeah

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sphery:

recent httpd?

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j-rod:

2.2.4

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sphery:

Hmmm. I have 2.2.3, so it should be basically the same...

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Shix:

hello there, what's the key to select / open a drop down menu? im trying to set up a lirc keybinding but have no access to a keyboard – sorry for crossposting

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j-rod:

sdtv working again, still no dice w/hdtv

[14:05:41]

sphery:

Enter or Space should work IIRC

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j-rod:

httpd hits the cpu for a sec, then nada

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Shix:

sphery, nope, it just hits next...

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sphery:

If you're talking about the pop-up keyboard

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sphery:

If you actually mean a "drop down menu", they don't exist in MythTV.

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webman:

Shix: I used the right arrow key

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Shix:

like in mythtv-setup... you have drop down menus, ex: change NTSC to something else

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sphery:

There are "lists" from which you choose items using right/left

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webman:

Shix: left/right arrow keys

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directhex|work:

Shix, right

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Shix:

thanks, i'll try that right now

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TSCHAKWerk:

morning all

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Shix:

webman, directhex thanks, it worked

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sphery:

j-rod: Eventually, Captain_Murdoch will commit some code that allows maintaining multiple files per recording, then you'll have the option to use jobs to transcode and keep the original so you can have the Flashified video waiting for you...

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Shix:

sphery, your lack of inspiration is impressive

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sphery:

Fine, I'll never help him again...

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j-rod:

sphery: my main use case is 'start recording baseball game, start transcoding and streaming it, kill it when its over', so eh

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j-rod:

sphery: oh, and here's why hdtv ain't workin: http://paste.ausil.us/157

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sphery:

Wow. Interesting.

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sphery:

I guess someone with a really nice MythTV backend will have to work on getting that fixed. :)

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j-rod:

heh

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j-rod:

I'll ping xris when he's around and see if we can't figure somethin' out...

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j-rod:

now to see if I can make the LocationMatch stuff play nice

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juski:

sphery: added that a-hole to my ignore list too :)

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sphery:

lol

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sphery:

I actually gave him the answer--and some extra info--before anyone else...

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juski:

I call it 'anger prevention'

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sphery:

Guess he just wants instant gratification.

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sphery:

I should really figure out how irssi's ignore list works...

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gardengnome:

/help ignore

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sphery:

thx

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juski:

type "/ignore $somenick" or "/ignore -replies $somenick"

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juski:

in the unlikely event you want to unignore clever, type "/unignore clever"

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gbee:

hmm, doubling the audio bitrate for the flash doesn't really make any sound any better at all

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juski:

gbee: sounds fine here btw

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gbee:

juski: glad it worked for you ;)

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juski:

that said only ever tried it in windows

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gbee:

doubling the video bitrate did improve it though, looks 100% better (strange that ;) )

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sphery:

Do you have the upstream bandwidth for double the video bitrate over the Internet?

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gbee:

sphery: probably not, but I'm just getting the feel for the quality/bitrate so I can hopefully tweak it to something acceptable

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juski:

got mine worky well at 384kbits video, 25fps @ 320x240

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TSCHAKWerk:

mine looked good and streamed well out of the box

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sphery:

Anyone experimented with other resolutions?

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directhex|work:

make it 4:3!

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juski:

640x480 was poo.. my box aint fast enough to do that on the fly

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directhex|work:

i mean 16:9 ¬_¬

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juski:

directhex|work: more like get teh aspect ratio right :)

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sphery:

Since I can't figure out how to make the FlashPlayer plugin do the full screen, the 320x240 is kind of small (like iPod sized :).

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j-rod:

juski/gbee: sound worked fine for me w/ 1) mac os x(ppc)/safari/flash9

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juski:

Ehometime :)

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j-rod:

and 2) Fedora 7, x86_64, firefox 2, i386 flash 9 w/nspluginwrapper

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sphery:

directhex|work and juski , xris is just waiting for someone to put the aspect (and other video file information) into the DB, then it will be right.

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j-rod:

sphery: oh, and full-screen worked on my mac

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j-rod:

haven't tried it on the fedora box just yet

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sphery:

I'd appreciate your letting me know if it works on Linux.

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j-rod:

I'll try that in a few

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sphery:

I'm assuming it works fine on Windows, but that's not enough to make me switch. :)

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gbee:

trying 320x256

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gbee:

still have a problem with ffmpeg never being killed on the webserver so I end up having to cull them manually

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gbee:

seems more like an apache problem as it's accompanied by hung processes

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j-rod:

gbee: I'm seeing the same thing here

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j-rod:

gbee: does your httpd error log have anything in it regarding ModPerl::Util::exit ?

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j-rod:

I'm thinking this might be related...

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gbee:

yep

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gbee:

hadn't thought to check

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j-rod:

so we're both missing some perl module, I'm assuming

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rktboy:

sorry haven't been following too much but usually, orphaned proceesses by the webserver means that one of the inputs outputs is still open...check lsof

[14:39:56]

rktboy:

when one of these hangs,

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rktboy:

I had tried to use the streaming from mythweb, even though I'm configured with php it redirects to perl...

[14:41:14]

rktboy:

i hadn't looked further since another project took my attention for a bit

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gbee:

j-rod: I have no idea where that module comes from, at least in package terms

[14:44:14]

j-rod:

gbee: me neither, poking at it now...

[14:45:36]

** gbee tries apache-mod_perl-devel **

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j-rod:

ModPerl::Util is part of mod_perl on Fedora

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sphery:

CPAN is giving me: ModPerl::Util is up to date (2.000003)

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j-rod:

# exit w/o killing the interpreter

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j-rod:

ModPerl::Util::exit();

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sphery:

But I still see the processing sticking around...

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sphery:

Hmmm. I have different failures... Undefined subroutine &ModPerl::ROOT::ModPerl::Registry::srv_www_htdocs_myth_mythweb_2epl::usleep called at

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j-rod:

here's mine: [Tue May 22 10:04:44 2007] [error] ModPerl::Util::exit: (120000) exit was called at modules/stream/handler.pl line 158Compilation failed in require at /var/www/html/mythweb/mythweb.pl line 60.

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sphery:

But I also have ModPerl::Util::exit: (120000) exit was called

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j-rod:

got streaming-over-http-while-connected-via-ssl working finally

[14:52:29]

j-rod:

but I cheated

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j-rod:

damned session vars won't stick in ff2 or konq

[14:52:46]

j-rod:

so I hard-coded it. :)

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j-rod:

sphery: oh, and yeah, its transcoding much faster than real-time, its going 142fps

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sphery:

On HDTV?

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j-rod:

sphery: and the fullscreen button doesn't work

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j-rod:

sdtv

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sphery:

Cool. 142 for HDTV would probably make me have to go out and get a couple of new systems...

[14:54:20]

sphery:

But, that explains why you can seek.

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sphery:

j-rod: You do have the authentication set up, right? That's how it identifies sessions.

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gbee:

j-rod: you'd be the third person to notice the problem with the session vars – best I can tell it's either an undocumented change in php or a bug in php

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j-rod:

yep, auth is set up

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j-rod:

and apache owns all the mythweb bits

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gbee:

sphery: you don't need authentication for sessions to work

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rktboy:

is it being accessed via _SESSION?

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j-rod:

funny, the ffmpeg transcoding process/progress all gets stashed in apache's error log

[14:56:51]

rktboy:

also on which version of PHP are you running it in?

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j-rod:

php 5.2.1 here

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rktboy:

check for the presence of the SESSION cookie...

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j-rod:

and how does one do that?

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sphery:

gbee: true, but it's easier to get auth working than cookies (especially with mod_proxy, etc.)

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rktboy:

The cookie is named PHPSESSID

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rktboy:

they both use a cookie...

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rktboy:

to store the id

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gbee:

j-rod: don't bother

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gbee:

the problem is that the session data isn't getting written to the database

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sphery:

And, if using auth, that's used before cookies (so you can "carry" your session around with you).

[14:58:51]

gbee:

sphery: it's a php issue, I spent a few hours debugging it the other night

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sphery:

Oh.

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rktboy:

anyhow the easiest way to see if the settings are being saved is to clear out all the session files and find the values in the session

[14:59:03]

j-rod:

other session stuff is indeed persistent (still shows my last query in the search field)

[14:59:15]

sphery:

I'm on 5.1.6 and it works for me.

[14:59:22]

gbee:

it's down to the db object being destroyed before the db class destructor (for some very strange reason)

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j-rod:

fun

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rktboy:

so you're storing the session data on the db then?

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gbee:

5.2.1 here

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rktboy:

mine's 5.2.1 as well...

[15:00:15]

sphery:

Perhaps 5.2 broke it...

[15:00:23]

gbee:

any session info created before you upgraded to 5.2.1 is still accessible, but new stuff isn't being written

[15:00:28]

rktboy:

checking change log....

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j-rod:

gbee: heh, yeah, my 'baseball' search fills itself back in even after a new search

[15:01:29]

gbee:

rktboy: yeah, xris is overriding the session handler to store session info in the database instead

[15:02:14]

rktboy:

does it happen with the default files handler?

[15:02:44]

rktboy:

ime session woes are usually found in the custom handlers...

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kormoc:

5.2 does break sessions sadly

[15:04:03]

gbee:

rktboy: it probably wouldn't

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j-rod:

kormoc: hey, how familiar are you w/the flash player and the transcoding done to get there... (and/or, did you see my paste about hdtv streaming going bonk?)

[15:05:50]

kormoc:

j-rod, I'm decently familiar with it all, and alas, I didn't see your paste

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j-rod:

http://paste.ausil.us/157

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kormoc:

hrm.... 720p?

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kormoc:

erm

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j-rod:

1080i there

[15:07:00]

kormoc:

1080p?

[15:07:06]

kormoc:

huh

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juski:

oh dear. people across the road fitting a 90cm dish on the front of their house. the council will be hearing about this

[15:07:16]

kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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j-rod:

similar happens with 720p though

[15:07:41]

kormoc:

ooh duh, it shows it right there in the paste

[15:07:47]

** kormoc sips some more coffee... **

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j-rod:

:)

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** j-rod has already had plenty o' coffee this morn. still not used to being 3hr ahead of home... **

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gbee:

why would anyone really bother with an analogue dish in this day and age? thought it had gone out of fashion

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j-rod:

s/dish//

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jduggan_:

juski: are you one of those dreaded neighbours?

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j-rod:

(aside from the few progs I watch that aren't available in hdtv yet)

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jduggan_:

;P

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juski:

jduggan_: minidishes are fair snuff.. not fecking 90cm though

[15:10:22]

juski:

I'm not usually one for complaining about stuff like this but it really looks the pits

[15:10:31]

jduggan_:

heh

[15:11:12]

jduggan_:

as gbee i wonder what people do with these dishes

[15:11:18]

jduggan_:

gbedd said*

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juski:

to make matters more complicated, I expect it has to be that size to pick up er.. more esoteric services for those people of er.. an ethnic persuasion. anyway it's a fecking greet big dish sticking out in the street :(

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jduggan_:

omfg, gbee*

[15:12:04]

jduggan_:

yah, asians trying to pick up their home satelites

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juski:

on the plus side it's not a steerable thing

[15:12:19]

jduggan_:

just snip the cable at night

[15:12:26]

jduggan_:

they'll soon get bored

[15:12:32]

jduggan_:

and take it down ;o

[15:12:33]

kormoc:

j-rod, does mplayer see more then 1 audio and 1 video channel in that file?

[15:12:37]

juski:

I'll prolly get pulled for my front facing camera but hey I'll take it down if they shift their fecking goonhilly

[15:13:36]

juski:

hmm is this a planning dept. issue.. local.gov webshites are never clearly laid out

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j-rod:

kormoc: crap, what's the mplayer flag to just get info on the file?

[15:14:49]

j-rod:

screw it, just play it and let it bomb...

[15:14:59]

kormoc:

j-rod, -identify I think

[15:15:08]

j-rod:

ah, was trying -info

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gardengnome:

mplayer -ao null -vo null -identify -frames 0

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gardengnome:

there's an midentify script that ships with the ubuntu and debian packages. afaik the line i posted above is the same as in that script

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juski:

arghh! they don't need permission :( that sucks

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juski:

though the planning portal.gov.uk site says front of houses is unsuitable.. might be able to have em yet

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j-rod:

gardengnome: hrm, that results in a ton of 'ID_VIDEO_ID=2112' lines repeating

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j-rod:

just 'mplayer <filename>' seems to do better for me, but I swear I've used -identify before...

[15:18:47]

j-rod:

VIDEO MPEG2(pid=2112) AUDIO A52(pid=2113) NO SUBS (yet)! PROGRAM N. 1

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j-rod:

Opening audio decoder: [liba52] AC3 decoding with liba52

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j-rod:

AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 384.0 kbit/25.00% (ratio: 48000->192000)

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sphery:

Looks like I'm missing Time::HiRes . Wonder if that's why my ffmpeg wasn't dying.

[15:19:49]

sphery:

j-rod: noticed what you meant about the ffmpeg output--everything, including terminal control characters--gets written to the apache log. :)

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kormoc:

j-rod, I'd be tempted to say it's a ffmpeg bug, as that error should only happen with two audio streams in a file

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sphery:

Hmmm. Still not dying.

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sphery:

j-rod: The line you quoted showing the audio in the file is the audio output stream after decoding. I.e. it's taking the 5.1 channel AC-3 stream and decoding/downmixing it to 2 channel with liba52 (assuming that's the same file you pastebin'ed the ffmpeg error from).

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j-rod:

sphery: I've had Time::HiRes the whole time too

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j-rod:

sphery: correct

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sphery:

Yeah. It seems that it's not even trying to kill the process.

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j-rod:

not seeing a line anywhere that says what the incoming audio was outside of "its AC3!"

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juski:

hmm.. "it's fecking fugly" isn't suitable language to use in a letter to the council

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gardengnome:

juski: um

[15:26:22]

gardengnome:

juski: have you talked to your neighbours yet?

[15:26:39]

j-rod:

dear micronas: you rock.

[15:26:46]

juski:

gardengnome: just now. they told me there's nothing I can do about it. we'll see about that

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sphery:

In your ffmpeg error: Stream #0.1[0x841]: Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 5:1, 384 kb/s

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gardengnome:

juski: nice

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kormoc:

that's still one stream tho

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j-rod:

sphery: was referring to the mplayer output, actually

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j-rod:

but yeah, there's 1 stream, and its 5.1

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juski:

sent a photo with it too. it's wider than the widest upstairs window ffs

[15:29:50]

juski:

by all means have a hulking big dish but ffs put it out the back where nobody can see it

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sphery:

Yeah. I can't figure out how to get MPlayer to saw what it is, either.

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juski:

I could be wrong about it being 90cm.. if it's 1.1m they'll have to take it down

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rktboy:

hello all again...

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rktboy:

just curious has anyone found the specific action which causes the session trouble?

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Merlin83b:

Sneaky late night trip up a ladder on the cards, juski?

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rktboy:

with mythweb that is...

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juski:

Merlin83b: possibly. if the council don't gimme any joy

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juski:

or I can just beam noise at the dish :D

[15:35:32]

Merlin83b:

Heh

[15:35:37]

Merlin83b:

Or bricks.

[15:35:38]

juski:

swamp the LNB

[15:35:44]

juski:

too close to windows

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Merlin83b:

Hehe

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kormoc:

j-rod, can you try adding -ac 2 to the ffmpeg command line and see if that does anything?

[15:36:21]

juski:

juski.co.uk/dosh.jpg

[15:37:15]

rktboy:

also aside from svn mythweb what else will I need to stream video?

[15:37:16]

juski:

well if nothing comes of it I can learn to be tolerant. I just hope others in the street can be too ;)

[15:37:19]

kormoc:

that's aimed rather low on the horizon...

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kormoc:

rktboy, ffmpeg

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rktboy:

ok..there...

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Bazil_:

hi ppl

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juski:

fecknows where it's pointed. prolly not aimed yet maybe.. def not the same direction as the $ly minidish up the road

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rktboy:

the streaming link points to /pl/stream/....

[15:38:13]

j-rod:

kormoc: beauty, eh

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j-rod:

1080i stream transcoding and playing

[15:38:37]

kormoc:

nice :)

[15:38:37]

j-rod:

54fps

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rktboy:

which takes it to the perl interpreter...

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Bazil_:

anyone here from sweden or have knowledge about the swedish channelsettings ?

[15:39:02]

rktboy:

is that where it's implemented?

[15:39:03]

j-rod:

only problem is that the video gets vertically stretched to 4:3

[15:39:19]

kormoc:

yeah, future patch will autodetect aspect and fix that

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variant:

Bazil_: no, but if you find out i would like to know cus i'm moving there on friday :) (again)

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j-rod:

sphery: you catch that? 54fps transcode of 1080i to flv, plays back fine save the stretch to 4:3 :)

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variant:

Bazil_: and it depends what provider you use

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Bazil_:

hahah .. oki variant .. problem i got .. is that ZTV got changed into Kanal6 .. but on same frequensy .. so now the schedjule shit is on ztv . but hte actuall channel is kanal6

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Bazil_:

were do i change that .

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Bazil_:

provider comhem

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j-rod:

kormoc: so... any ideas on the ModPerl::Util part blowing up?

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** j-rod tries sucking kormoc's brain dry for everything he's got... **

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kormoc:

heh, have the pastebin link happy or the like?

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Bazil_:

brb . eating

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sphery:

j-rod: Nice. So, 720p should transcode at >60fps, too...

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juski:

omfg. guy wants to know how to change the font colour/size of DVD subtitles. lol

[15:50:14]

sphery:

Also, that only happens for me when the recording finishes transcoding. Nothing seems to attempt to kill the transcode when I go to other pages or anything.

[15:52:19]

kormoc:

sphery, line 60 in mythweb.pl as well?

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j-rod:

kormoc: [error] ModPerl::Util::exit: (120000) exit was called at modules/stream/handler.pl line 159Compilation failed in require at /var/www/html/mythweb/mythweb.pl line 60.

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sphery:

Right.

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gbee:

line 60 is where we pull in handler.pl, so that's the only reason it's mentioned

[15:54:57]

sphery:

The line 60 calls something in modules/stream/handler.pl, which ends at line 159 with an exit

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kormoc:

ahh, line #60 for me is if (-e "$modules_dir/$Path[0]") {

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kormoc:

which seems unlikely to be the issue :P

[15:56:44]

sphery:

I think it's actually the require on line 62 inside that if

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kormoc:

sphery, does ffmoeg get spawned off for you?

[15:59:15]

sphery:

Yeah. No problems running it.

[15:59:23]

sphery:

It just never gets killed.

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** kormoc nods **

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** kormoc ponders **

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sphery:

When it finishes the transcode, it tries gets to that exit and then I get the error.

[15:59:53]

kormoc:

ahh, gotcha

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kormoc:

we are not re-defining exit

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kormoc:

sphery, if you change that exit to CORE::exit; does it exit cleanly?

[16:01:27]

sphery:

It will take about 30 minutes for me to find out--slow backend that transcodes in about real-time...

[16:01:37]

sphery:

Want me to test.

[16:02:10]

sphery:

He said he doesn't get the error when he uses return.

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gardengnome:

i wish sourceforge would stop being slow

[16:03:12]

kormoc:

sphery, well, return would fix it too, but core::exit would be slightly better...

[16:03:19]

kormoc:

sphery, where do you see that message? apache logs?

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sphery:

apache error log

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sphery:

(Which, incidentally, as j-rod pointed out, is receiving /all/ the ffmpeg output--including the terminal control characters.)

[16:09:55]

kormoc:

yeah

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juski:

ooo. I can hear shouting

[16:11:19]

sphery:

is the italic thing shouting?

[16:11:21]

juski:

I think the dish might have to come down soon. causing a spot of tension on our street

[16:11:36]

juski:

muhahaha

[16:11:39]

sphery:

Oh. Thought I broke IRC etiquette.

[16:11:51]

sphery:

kormoc: I found a 7-min partial recording.

[16:11:52]

juski:

lol

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sphery:

I'm testing the CORE::exit now.

[16:12:10]

thoraxe:

sphery: much like in real life, speaking in all capitals is shouting

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GreyFoxx:

juski: They object to you having a sat dish ?

[16:12:23]

thoraxe:

italics, like in real life, can be sarcasm or emphasis, depending on the font used

[16:12:24]

thoraxe:

lol

[16:12:42]

thoraxe:

i had a sat dish on the side of my apartment building for a while. you could see it from like 10 blocks away

[16:12:42]

juski:

GreyFoxx: not my dish. and it's around a metre across, on the front of the house, street side

[16:12:52]

sphery:

cool. Just didn't want to yell at kormoc, who just happens to be working on fixing a problem for us...

[16:13:05]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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thoraxe:

it took many months but they finally asked me to take it down

[16:13:24]

thoraxe:

and i still got 100 signal strength (directv)

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sphery:

kormoc: No error with CORE::exit.

[16:13:36]

thoraxe:

and that's the story of my satellite plant

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juski:

as far as I'm concerned people break IRC etiquette by msging me for noob help

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kormoc:

thoraxe, sure, caps is shouting unless it's the proper name :P

[16:14:01]

kormoc:

sphery, heh, I'll switch to that then :)

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** sphery defers to kormoc's vastly superior perl knowledge... **

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sphery:

When I tail my apache error log, it looks like ffmpeg is transcoding at like 25000 fps... :)

[16:15:40]

sphery:

Anyone know if there's a flag for ffmpeg to disable interactive output/progress bar?

[16:15:40]

juski:

sphery: I'll have whatever CPU you've got

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sphery:

Or does it require messing with the process's stdin?

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kormoc:

sphery, tacking on 2>/dev/null *should* do it

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kormoc:

I'm just attempting to test, and it's being a pita for some reason

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sphery:

Good. I'm not sure where to tack it since it seems to be piping back to itself or something...

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** xris wonders what kormoc is doing up so early **

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kormoc:

xris, hell if I know :P

[16:20:50]

kormoc:

didn't sleep too well for some reason

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gardengnome:

ah.

[16:21:20]

gardengnome:

insomnia, how do i love thee?

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Pool34:

hello

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sphery:

I never noticed that time box...

[16:23:15]

Pool34:

I suppose it's ok to ask a question here?

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Bazil_:

anyone here have live in sweden and have channelsettings configured for comhem provider ?

[16:23:19]

kormoc:

sphery, I asked for one last night but here at home, I noticed that it's not just a blank area

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** sphery refrains from asking if it's possible to parse the ffmpeg progress output and use it to show the amount of the recording currently transcoded (i.e. like some players do with the amount downloaded). **

[16:24:30]

xris:

kormoc: yes. he's not done with that.

[16:24:33]

sphery:

That's probably a version 3.0 thing

[16:24:46]

xris:

something about how the skin has to be placed on top of the default skin.

[16:24:50]

xris:

makes for ugly loading, too.

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tinytux:

Pool34: u get used to beeing ignored ;) just ask

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Pool34:

I have successfully completed setting up my mythtv box using a computer monitor – everything went smoothly- when I was finished i plugged it into my tv, it boots fine but when it is time to start up x it goes to a black screen

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sphery:

Pool34: NVIDIA drivers?

[16:26:19]

kormoc:

sphery, heh, that would be nifty, but unlikely easily done :P

[16:26:19]

Pool34:

yes, it's an nvidia card

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tinytux:

you need to configure tv out

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tinytux:

did you?

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kormoc:

sphery, sadly, FLV is purely a bit stream based format, not a time based format, so it's hard to tell

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Pool34:

umm, no i guess i didnt... how dumb of me.

[16:27:30]

tinytux:

nvidia-settings is good to do so

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sphery:

Also, if you have both a monitor and TV pluged in at boot, sometimes it will disable the TV out...

[16:27:57]

juski:

not if you use Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV" or so :0

[16:27:59]

tinytux:

not at my place, but you are right

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Pool34:

how do i configure tv-out?

[16:28:27]

sphery:

kormoc: Yeah. It's not really that important. In theory, later, we can tell Myth to auto-transcode those things we're likely to watch over the 'net (when it can keep multiple files per recording).

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juski:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=nv . . . ch&meta=

[16:28:37]

Pool34:

k

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Pool34:

just a linux general thing

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Pool34:

didn't know

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juski:

yup

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sphery:

Then, we'd know it's all transcoded. :)

[16:28:57]

juski:

and now you do :)

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kormoc:

sphery, heh, aye :)

[16:29:19]

tinytux:

may i bring up my xscreensaver problem once more?

[16:30:16]

tinytux:

mythtv doesn't recognize that xscreensaver is running

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sphery:

tinytux: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/270331#270331

[16:31:34]

tinytux:

both don't help

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tinytux:

sleep 10 after starting xscreensaver& doesn't help

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sphery:

And you're sure it's xscreensaver and not a wrapper around xlockmore or something?

[16:32:55]

tinytux:

yes!

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juski:

there might be a murder

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Merlin83b:

lol

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tinytux:

actually I think the problem is deeper inside

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kormoc:

juski, smoking ban inside of houses?

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tinytux:

new health politics, huh?

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juski:

kormoc: it's technically a place of work, since people work there.. camera operators, producers etc

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kormoc:

ahh

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juski:

should make ace telly watching smokers go cold turkey ... ahem

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tinytux:

there are non of the messages that should get generated during Screensaver Setup in my log

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sphery:

tinytux: I still think it's a PATH issue... How are you starting mythfrontend?

[16:35:33]

tinytux:

Ubuntu MythTV start script

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tinytux:

It calls openbox

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kormoc:

sphery, j-rod, [13495] will stop flooding your error logs :)

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sphery:

thx kormoc

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tinytux:

and start xscreensaver (if available, as with me)

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kormoc:

np :)

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tinytux:

when doing a 'set > ~/log' it tells me that /usr/bin is in the PATH

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sphery:

You mean when doing that in the start script?

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tinytux:

does mythtv change the path settings?

[16:37:52]

tinytux:

yes

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sphery:

No.

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sphery:

OK.

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sphery:

What does "xscreensaver-command -version" give you?

[16:38:20]

juski:

evening stuarta. nice weekend?

[16:38:37]

stuarta:

juski: hi, yes, good weekend.

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tinytux:

I even copied the xscreensaver-command program in /home/mythtv but that didn't help

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stuarta:

much beer & shed building

[16:39:23]

juski:

shed building eh? nifty. earning the beer ;)

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tinytux:

$ xscreensaver-command -version

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tinytux:

xscreensaver-command: warning: $DISPLAY is not set: defaulting to ":0.0".

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tinytux:

XScreenSaver 4.24

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tinytux:

$ echo $?

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tinytux:

0

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stuarta:

yep, why else build a shed :)

[16:40:02]

tinytux:

sorry, didn't want to flood

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tinytux:

But why _isn't_ there any 'DPMS is...' message, which should get generated in the ScreenSaver-X11 Constructor (--verbose all)

[16:42:00]

juski:

oo. yet more shouting outside

[16:42:56]

juski:

"get that _cuddling_ dish off the side of your _loving_ house you dirty p***..".. not what I'd call a warm welcome to the street

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sphery:

tinytux: Chances are, when it runs "xscreensaver-command -version", it's getting a non-zero exit status.

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stuarta:

juski: sounds controversial

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juski:

stuarta: I'm against the dish but if street ressies are gonna be racist like that I'm gonna stick up for the new householders

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tinytux:

But it's $? is 0, so the exit status is 0 when calling from shell as user mythtv.

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stuarta:

juski: big dish?

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juski:

stuarta: bigger than 60cm. way bigger

[16:44:35]

stuarta:

ah, foreign satellites :)

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sphery:

tinytux: all that matters is what it gets when calling from the environment in which mythfrontend is running.

[16:44:40]

juski:

on the front too.. muppets

[16:45:02]

stuarta:

did nobody tell them to make sure the *back* of the house faces south???

[16:45:11]

juski:

stuarta: galling thing is that all the Asian channels are on cable iirc

[16:45:59]

tinytux:

how to check that (exact environment and result)

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tinytux:

once I replaced the command with a symlink to a simple shell script that just logged that it was called and it didn't log a think, so maybe an environment thing

[16:47:36]

sphery:

The environment is controlled by the chain of scripts that start it.

[16:47:40]

tinytux:

but why are the 'DPMS is activated' messages missing in the log? I can't follow that.

[16:48:12]

sphery:

If your Ubuntu start scripts do (crazy/wrong) things like start X/mythfrontend without a login, your environment is probably "broken".

[16:48:51]

tinytux:

If there is no change (like any kind of cleaning the PATH) than logging the output of 'set' just before calling mythfrontend tells me what is in, right?

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sphery:

tinytux: Did you try, "mythfrontend -v general"?

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tinytux:

I think everything is correct. gdm gets started in rc2.d, gdm does a autologin with user mythtv, and this users startskript calls the mythtv frontend startskript

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tinytux:

no

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sphery:

That's good.

[16:50:39]

sphery:

Should set things up properly (permissions, environment, etc.)

[16:50:54]

sphery:

(talking about the way it's starting.)

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tinytux:

just checked, didn't help, expect that it's now nice short

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tinytux:

what about the missing 'DPMS is ... ' log entrys, they should be visible with --verbose general, but they are not

[16:53:48]

sphery:

Well, that's all I can think of. I don't run a screensaver (I turn off my TV when I'm not using it).

[16:55:31]

tinytux:

ok thank you for your ideas, what do you think where to ask next?

[16:56:42]

tinytux:

finally you are right, but I just don't like that it's not working when it could/should, that's why I'm using linux and not MS

[16:57:19]

janneg:

gbee: please try `ifconfig eth0 allmulti` with your sis nic. it solves the auto-discoverability for me

[16:57:37]

sphery:

Yeah. I'm guessing it doesn't get a lot of testing since most probably disable screensavers.

[16:57:49]

sphery:

Here or in the mythtv-users list is the right place to ask about it.

[16:58:27]

sphery:

If, after discussion, you find proof that it's a bug in myth, then it's a good time to talk about it in #mythtv or mythtv-dev list.

[16:58:27]

tinytux:

ok, will sneak over and try my luck, thanks once more :)

[16:59:07]

tinytux:

I will post in my thread on the users list, that didn't get answered ;)

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gbee:

janneg: will give it a go

[17:16:35]

sphery:

tinytux: BTW, you only get the DPMS messages if DPMS is enabled on your monitor (i.e. 'Option "dpms"' in X config file and your video driver supports it).

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frink_:

hey folks

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roam:

I'm trying to add a RecordFilePrefix entry to the settings database table, but it's not edible. How can I do that?

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sphery:

doesn't sound very palatable, either

[17:40:48]

sphery:

roam: using 0.20-fixes?

[17:43:07]

roam:

using debian package.

[17:43:21]

roam:

I'm trying to use mytharchive and it need the entry

[17:44:45]

sphery:

You need to go into mythtv-setup on the host that's running mytharchive.

[17:44:45]

juski:

roam: sounds like you've got mixed versions going on there

[17:44:59]

sphery:

Even if it's a remote frontend that's not running mythbackend.

[17:45:19]

sphery:

Isn't mytharchive in 0.20?

[17:45:48]

juski:

sphery: yeah but...

[17:46:24]

juski:

there's only one way a plugin can't find db tables it needs.. and that's if the version numbers are incompatible IMHO

[17:46:56]

sphery:

The RecordFilePrefix is just a setting in the settings table, though.

[17:47:29]

roam:

Maybe it's a different error.

[17:47:59]

roam:

cause the mytharchive runs on the backend.

[17:48:16]

sphery:

(I don't know what "not edible" [sic} means, although, I did get as far as assuming it's a typo for "not editable". I was just assuming that the user in the mysql client or the whatever program didn't have permissions.)

[17:48:29]

sphery:

MythArchive is a plugin. Plugins always run on the frontend.

[17:48:39]

directhex:

sphery, means "can't be eaten". like shoes. shoes are not edible

[17:48:47]

directhex:

sphery, technically, like shoes, plugins aren't edible!

[17:48:48]

roam:

sphery: I mean on the same host as the backend.

[17:49:16]

sphery:

directhex: Yeah, thus my not "very palatable, either" comment :)

[17:49:24]

roam:

hmm

[17:49:31]

sphery:

So it's a combined frontend/backend?

[17:49:38]

directhex:

sphery, low calorie though

[17:49:55]

roam:

yes. I got a similar error, using it on a frontend without a backend.

[17:50:25]

roam:

Then it needed the RecordFilePrefix entry to make it work

[17:50:49]

roam:

But it might ideed be a version problem.

[17:51:05]

sphery:

Right now MythArchive is only supposed to work on a combined frontend/backend. Some have made it work on remote frontends, but it requires the recordings directory to be mounted locally (i.e. network share).

[17:53:21]

roam:

That's how i did it last time.

[17:53:55]

roam:

sphery: but it doesn't work in this setup, although it's a backend/frontend system.

[17:53:59]

sphery:

Oh, and on all your hosts, make sure you have exactly the same revision of mythtv, and that mythtv, mythplugins, and myththemes are all the same revision, too.

[17:54:14]

sphery:

What's the exact error message?

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roam:

shall I paste the logfile into the channel?

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roam:

2007-05–22 19:45:42 ------------------------------------------------------------

[17:58:33]

roam:

Traceback (most recent call last):

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roam:

File "/usr/share/mythtv/mytharchive/scripts/mythburn.py", line 3600, in ?

[17:58:39]

roam:

processJob(job)

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roam:

File "/usr/share/mythtv/mytharchive/scripts/mythburn.py", line 3388, in processJob

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roam:

processFile(node,folder)

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roam:

File "/usr/share/mythtv/mytharchive/scripts/mythburn.py", line 3070, in processFile

[17:58:50]

roam:

infoDOM = xml.dom.minidom.parse( os.path.join(folder,"info.xml") )

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roam:

File "xml/dom/minidom.py", line 1915, in parse

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roam:

File "xml/dom/expatbuilder.py", line 924, in parse

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roam:

File "xml/dom/expatbuilder.py", line 207, in parseFile

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roam:

ExpatError: not well-formed (invalid token): line 1, column 122

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roam:

2007-05–22 19:45:42 ------------------------------------------------------------

[17:59:15]

juski:

p a s t e b i n !!!!!!!!

[17:59:19]

janneg:

roam: no

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stuarta:

ffs!!!

[17:59:31]

juski:

!trout roam pastebin

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** MythLogBot slaps roam with a pastebin trout on behalf of juski... **

[17:59:33]

gardengnome:

rotflomg!

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stuarta:

!trout roam very large

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** MythLogBot slaps roam with a very large trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[18:01:14]

sphery:

Bad time for me to go get a drink...

[18:01:29]

roam:

sorry

[18:01:51]

gardengnome:

pastebins are for people without scroll wheels

[18:02:57]

** Beirdo chucks a wireless mouse at gardengnome **

[18:03:48]

gardengnome:

ah, he's still got the hockey genes ;)

[18:04:12]

Beirdo:

hehe, of course

[18:04:30]

stuarta:

i've got a scrollwheel and i prefer pastebins :-P

[18:05:54]

janneg:

irssi in screen over ssh makes scrollwheels useless

[18:06:15]

sphery:

roam: I don't know what that error is. You may want to post a question on mythtv-users mailing list.

[18:06:24]

sphery:

janneg: I'm with you.

[18:06:29]

juski:

there we go. new 1200DPI case badger image maded

[18:06:31]

stuarta:

me to

[18:07:19]

sphery:

juski: Are you an artist as well as a designer?

[18:07:56]

juski:

oo btw stuarta you know how people said the last case badgers were ace? the new ones will literally trounce the look of them :) samples pending of course..

[18:08:03]

juski:

sphery: piss-artist maybe

[18:08:07]

stuarta:

ooooo!

[18:08:40]

juski:

should have a sample in the next few days. getting 250 made if they're good

[18:09:02]

roam:

thanks anyway and sorry for the disturbance.

[18:09:10]

juski:

the guy doing em knows his printing. unlike scotgold who I used before

[18:09:23]

sphery:

Just wondering... I'm still trying to find an artist for making a few glyphs to fix the rectangles in captions when songs play. :)

[18:09:42]

juski:

sphery: music symbols in fonts? sounds lame

[18:10:07]

sphery:

Yeah. Part of ISO 10646/Unicode UCS.

[18:10:20]

juski:

you could find an OSS font with musical symbols in em & cut & paste into a standard font.. voila!

[18:10:25]

sphery:

They typically put in something, like an eighth note, to indicate songs are playing.

[18:10:31]

stuarta:

finally! figured out which package i needed to install to get the kernel headers i need to build vmware...

[18:10:40]

sphery:

That's the problem. The OSS fonts don't seem to include them.

[18:10:48]

sphery:

I haven't checked them all, but...

[18:10:51]

juski:

sphery: any foo can draw a flippin music note

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sphery:

I guess I don't qualify as a foo :)

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juski:

I'm sure there are free fonts you can pinch music symbols from.. maybe one of the many talented font designers out there wouldn't mind helping

[18:15:10]

sphery:

I'll keep looking for a free font that has them, but I haven't found one, yet.

[18:15:30]

sphery:

It seems few people need to put eighth notes in their OpenOffice.org documents...

[18:16:04]

sphery:

(Or the ones that do have proprietary fonts for that purpose. :)

[18:17:18]

juski:

http://www.hindson.com.au/wordpress/index.php . . . or-download/

[18:17:58]

juski:

you could install them, then render the chars nice & big to trace in your fave font editor.. it's not stealing then ;)

[18:18:49]

sphery:

sounds like something I'd prefer someone else submit upstream. :)

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TSCHAKWerk:

sphery: use the font that comes with RoseGarden

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/bendy.png

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juski:

ah bum wrong window

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sphery:

nice juski

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juski:

thanks. no idea what I'm gonna do with it yet

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juski:

be nice in a 16:9 banner a few feet across, but not with the amount of ram I have to play with here

[18:33:51]

sphery:

Figured it was for LRL...

[18:35:22]

juski:

and er.. who would be paying for the printing pray tell?

[18:36:14]

juski:

reminds me I still need to hunt down a cheap A0 colour print

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stuarta:

back later. off to the dark side for a bit

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Filipp:

How can I set the timespan of a listinscreen in Mythweb? Right now, a single screen is 15 minutes, and I'm pretty sure it used to be over an hour before my reinstall.

[18:42:04]

** gbee tries to imagine what A0 actually looks like **

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kharan5876:

has anyone had trouble getting all the channels from your Zap2it accounts using the channel scanner in mythtv-setup? I cant it it to see channel 612

[18:43:26]

gbee:

Filipp: 3 hours normally

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Filipp:

gbee: any idea where that is configured?

[18:44:10]

gbee:

Filipp: it's under the mythweb settings (TV if you're using SVN)

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gbee:

http://hostname/mythweb/settings/tv (in recent SVN)

[18:45:10]

Filipp:

gbee: not using svn, i'm on 0.20

[18:45:43]

gbee:

well it's in the same general area – click on the settings icon

[18:45:45]

sphery:

Should still be a setting in settings...

[18:45:56]

gbee:

*sigh*

[18:46:52]

Filipp:

I figured as much, but can't find it. There's a really long list of cryptically named variables with a huge warning above it though.

[18:47:16]

Filipp:

Anyway, if it's supposed to be somewhere on the mythweb settings and not in the frontend, I'll keep looking there.

[18:47:24]

gbee:

heh, seem to have just received all my email for the day in one go

[18:47:52]

sphery:

It's not on that list of cryptically named variables. Those are frontend/backend settings (that--like the warning says--you shouldn't mess with :).

[18:48:05]

sphery:

There should be a mythweb settings section.

[18:48:46]

sphery:

If not, previously (but I though it was changed before 0.20) there were configuration files in mythweb. See the README/INSTALL files for info.

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zambaroo:

hi all

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Filipp:

There's a mythweb session settings, but I can't find it. I'll keep on looking. Thanks anyway.

[18:50:16]

juski:

gbee: A0 is pretty big

[18:50:16]

zambaroo:

has anyone had luck w/ati tv wonder 200? i can see tv, but im having a hard time making alsa believe this card can do sound. also, im wondering whether this card can do hardware enc/dec.

[18:50:49]

juski:

zambaroo: it's a lamegrabber. software encoding only

[18:51:05]

zambaroo:

i see. sucky, then.

[18:51:07]

kharan5876:

it looks like its trying to getthe channel data from my tv tuner card, I just want it to get channel data online from zap2it

[18:51:20]

zambaroo:

juski, how about the sound thing?

[18:51:27]

kharan5876:

is that how mythtv works wheny ou scan for channels?

[18:51:34]

juski:

zambaroo: how about, I don't know?

[18:51:40]

juski:

;)

[18:51:44]

zambaroo:

juski, cool :)

[18:52:04]

zambaroo:

i think i'll take it back and pick up the haupaugau-thingie.

[18:52:13]

zambaroo:

same price.

[18:52:30]

sphery:

TSCHAKWerk: rosegarden was a good suggestion. Though they don't have the glyphs in a font, they have a bunch of pixmaps they use. Now I need a musician to help me find the right thing to use...

[18:52:59]

sphery:

Unfortunately, the pixmaps seem a bit small, too...

[18:53:19]

juski:

zambaroo: hauppauge pvr150 or bust for analogue

[18:53:25]

juski:

or pvr500

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juski:

hardware mpeg2 :)

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zambaroo:

juski, it's recommended then?

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gbee:

juski: well obviously it's big, I can reach that by imagining A3 doubled up to A2, A1, A0 etc ;) I'm just not very good at imagining sizes/distances etc so I've no idea just _how_ big A0 is

[18:54:48]

juski:

zambaroo: pvr150 or pvr500 are THE only cards I'd recommend for analogue TV

[18:55:26]

gbee:

looked it up though, 841x1189

[18:55:33]

juski:

gbee: we need some skyhooks for the monitor(s)

[18:55:39]

zambaroo:

hmm

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juski:

I've toyed with the idea of getting some stuff & trying to make a collapsible stand

[18:56:06]

zambaroo:

i have a 52" at home.. hdtv and all.

[18:56:18]

juski:

then pop a vesa mount onto it.. then we can have the monitor behind the booth in full view

[18:56:26]

zambaroo:

at this time id just love to have the sound working.

[18:56:43]

juski:

zambaroo: your tv deserves much better than some lame ATI PoS

[18:56:59]

juski:

zambaroo: so do you!

[18:57:03]

zambaroo:

now im all sad. :(

[18:57:32]

juski:

zambaroo: see the 'troubleshooting audio' section of the mythtv docs... now there's an idea!

[18:57:37]

zambaroo:

that kworld thingie is hd ready, according to the box, how do we feel about kword?

[18:57:42]

zambaroo:

kworld even.

[18:57:48]

juski:

also see the 'setting up audio' section of the mythtv docs

[18:57:57]

zambaroo:

juski, yah will look at the doc.

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TSCHAKWerk:

sphery: I happen to be a musician.

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juski:

zambaroo: ymmv. what kind of HD tuner will work depends on where you live

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zambaroo:

juski, Uhmehr'ca.

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Xanium:

hi, long time no see

[18:58:52]

juski:

zambaroo: pchdtv5000 or whatever. see the mythtv wiki

[18:59:25]

zambaroo:

yay.

[18:59:30]

zambaroo:

thank you.

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a5benwillis:

afternoon guys

[19:00:23]

sphery:

TSCHAKWerk: I just need images for the 7 characters mentioned at http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythCaptionFont/ (and don't know if my examples are even musically-correct).

[19:00:44]

a5benwillis:

I've fixed this error before but cannot get past it this time. Ihave an error with MythWeb.. "Please install the MySQL libraries for PHP.

[19:00:45]

a5benwillis:

The package is usually called something like php-mysql."

[19:01:05]

a5benwillis:

I have everything installed as far as I know

[19:01:10]

sphery:

TSCHAKWerk: I'm starting to think that rosegarden tends to draw the notes on the fly (i.e. take an ellipse, add a stem, add a flag, ... as required).

[19:01:12]

juski:

how would you need to fix it more than once? :-O

[19:01:27]

a5benwillis:

juski: Nother install :-P

[19:01:49]

TSCHAKWerk:

sphery: those are correct.

[19:02:07]

gbee:

Quarter Note? Eigth Note? wtf?

[19:02:31]

sphery:

gbee: For captions. When a song plays...

[19:03:01]

Filipp:

gbee: sphery: Found it. My template was set to compact, hiding the relevant settings. In addition, a bug in the compact template prevented me from switching back. Problem solved now.

[19:03:02]

sphery:

TSCHAKWerk: Thanks for confirming. It's easier to make progress if you know you're on the right road. :)

[19:03:21]

gbee:

sphery: yeah, sure – but I've not heard those terms before, for me that would be a crotchet and a quaver

[19:03:50]

sphery:

Filipp: not really a "bug" in the compact setting, just that the setting doesn't exist in the compact theme. Glad it's fixed, thought.

[19:04:17]

Filipp:

sphery: No, what I mean is that, since selecting "compact", none of the options are stored anymore.

[19:04:17]

** gbee suspects some "Americanism" at play, like the use of UTC instead of GMT **

[19:04:28]

sphery:

gbee: Are you a musician? I'm quoting names from Unicode (and have no musical talent/experience).

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[19:05:04]

sphery:

Could be a translation issue.

[19:06:07]

gbee:

sphery: I used to be a choir boy ;)

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[19:06:29]

sphery:

More experience than I have. :)

[19:06:31]

a5benwillis:

Ok, Juski... I'll keep googling.

[19:06:36]

juski:

gbee: quaver, semi-quaver :)

[19:07:07]

juski:

a5benwillis: on ubunut everything should be taken care of by the wonderful (!) package thingies

[19:07:49]

a5benwillis:

lol, no packages for me... SVN and compile only

[19:08:02]

** sphery wonders if there should be a difference between an eighth note and an italic eighth note (would that be an italic semi-quaver for you all?) **

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gbee:

juski: brings back some memories – I was round your way back then, at the Cathedral :)

[19:09:58]

sphery:

I can see making a "fancier" flag on a serif'ed eighth note than on a sans eighth note, but don't know how a quarter note should differ.

[19:10:38]

sphery:

I've really got to learn not to choose pet projects for which I'm wholly unqualified...

[19:10:44]

gbee:

sphery: have to be honest and say that I can't really remember much, it was over 15 years ago

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juski:

sphery: does it matter when the people doing CC data probably don't know what they're doing anyway? Oooo here's a musical symbol.. I'll shove that in there

[19:12:06]

juski:

I can't imagine CC musical stuff being accurate

[19:12:26]

gbee:

not even remotely

[19:12:40]

sphery:

Right. As far as I can tell, they just put a note before and after the words to indicate music.

[19:12:53]

juski:

yes they do

[19:13:12]

juski:

so there needn't be a big deal so long as the glyphs look vaguely like a music symbol ;)

[19:13:41]

sphery:

Yeah. I just wanted to fix the FreeFont fonts upstream while I did it rather than "forking" them for Myth.

[19:13:57]

sphery:

I'm probably getting way too lost in the details.

[19:14:22]

sphery:

I may just go with the images I have and see what the maintainer recommends when I submit them.

[19:14:59]

frink_:

is there a mythbackend memory leak? Mine was 720Mb the other day..

[19:15:48]

sphery:

There's been mention of one, but I don't think anyone has gotten a good valgrind log showing anything.

[19:15:59]

sphery:

Feel like running valgrind? :)

[19:16:07]

frink_:

what is valgrind?

[19:16:29]

frink_:

oh the profiler..

[19:17:11]

frink_:

what overhead does it add to it? its pointless running valgrind is mythtv is unusable because, well, it wont be used and so the leak wont happen ;-)

[19:17:13]

sphery:

frink_: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/268246#268246

[19:18:02]

sphery:

At that point, many were thinking it had to do with UPnP. I'm not sure that's still the prevailing theory.

[19:18:48]

sphery:

But the point holds. If you can run it and try to provoke the leak, you may get the info that's needed to fix it.

[19:19:12]

sphery:

BTW, I'm assuming you're using SVN trunk, right?

[19:19:14]

frink_:

what does myth use upnp for?

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gbee:

there is a backend leak, but I'm not sure it's UPnP – a couple of people have tried valgrinding, but nothing much has been found yet

[19:19:40]

GreyFoxx:

upnp clients ?

[19:19:57]

sphery:

to allow external clients--including MythWeb, in SVN trunk--to access recordings.

[19:19:59]

GreyFoxx:

and there is an autodiscovery patch for letting frontends auto discover a backend as well

[19:20:13]

gbee:

valgrinding can be a pain in the neck with all the trivial crap it throws up

[19:20:16]

frink_:

oh, it uses upnp for the clients?

[19:20:30]

frink_:

oh mythdora has a new mythtv build avaliable.

[19:20:36]

frink_:

i will yum update that

[19:20:37]

sphery:

mainly supports it so other clients can use MythTV recordings.

[19:20:38]

GreyFoxx:

hardware upnp players can use upnp to access myth content

[19:20:51]

GreyFoxx:

and recently work on letting the frontend auto find the backend

[19:20:56]

frink_:

GreyFoxx: cool.. You sen that new linksys kiss 600 thing?

[19:21:07]

sphery:

So, it sounds like you're not running SVN trunk, anyway, so what I've said about a potential memory leak probably doesn't apply.

[19:21:13]

GreyFoxx:

so installs would be simpler, and you could boot a CD and it will autofind the backend wihtout you having to enter anything

[19:21:15]

frink_:

GreyFoxx: Cool, I wonder if it'll autofind my neighbours too :)

[19:21:15]

gbee:

frink_: for some clients and for some tasks yes – it's not completely replaced the other methods of communication used

[19:21:21]

GreyFoxx:

frink_: Nope never seen it

[19:21:44]

frink_:

GreyFoxx: I tink its new.. Runs linux of course. I am thinking of getting one to see if it'll make a good frontend..

[19:24:06]

juski:

frink_: I think there's a good chance all the UIs on those kind of boxes suck ass

[19:24:37]

juski:

at least I don't remember anybody from Kiss asking me if they could use Blootube-wide on their player

[19:24:40]

juski:

;)

[19:25:07]

frink_:

juski: Just a good chance ;-)

[19:27:41]

gbee:

juski: are you all done with theme image updates?

[19:28:29]

juski:

gbee: for now at least yes

[19:29:00]

juski:

not planning any more updates for a while if I can help it

[19:30:48]

gbee:

ok, let me see if I can check them in without leaving any out

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gbee:

or putting -wide images in the wrong folder

[19:31:46]

juski:

I uploaded a couple of dupes in -wide.. whoopsie

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gbee:

just noticed that

[19:33:22]

gbee:

no differences between them?

[19:33:41]

juski:

www.juski.co.uk/promo/mythtvflyer.png :)

[19:33:47]

juski:

nah they're just dupes

[19:34:39]

juski:

less toner used there I think

[19:37:16]

gbee:

less than?

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gbee:

looks good

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[19:37:54]

juski:

less than the previous version

[19:38:02]

juski:

not online ne more :)

[19:38:03]

** gbee prints out a copy to see how it looks on paper **

[19:38:56]

gbee:

firefox cannot print out anything right

[19:39:10]

juski:

lol

[19:39:50]

juski:

I think it's just safe to say no web browser can

[19:40:03]

frink_:

where can I get changelogs for this anybody?

[19:42:13]

zambaroo:

guys is there a recommended distro for mythtv?

[19:42:19]

GreyFoxx:

zambaroo: Nope

[19:42:26]

zambaroo:

maky.

[19:42:28]

GreyFoxx:

Whatever distro you are most familiar with

[19:42:29]

zambaroo:

mkay even.

[19:42:32]

juski:

we don't do distro wars here

[19:42:48]

zambaroo:

not a flamewar question, just.. you know.

[19:42:49]

directhex:

frink_, from the people who made that package. don't they include a changelog anywhere? try /usr/share/doc/mythtv

[19:43:29]

juski:

zambaroo: it's pretty hard to mess up installing mythtv on Ubuntu Feisty. People still manage though

[19:43:45]

zambaroo:

im on fawn :)

[19:44:52]

gbee:

juski: konq does a better job than most, but probably only because it's better integrated with the KDE print stuff

[19:44:58]

juski:

what's next in the series? gruff goat? ;)

[19:45:19]

juski:

oh yeh.. gutsy something or other

[19:45:26]

Beirdo:

I think it SHOULD be goofy gopher

[19:45:34]

Beirdo:

but noooo, they made it gutsy something

[19:45:48]

juski:

or goosy gander

[19:46:08]

juski:

Beirdo: I'll tell shuttleworth next time he's here for dinner

[19:46:12]

Beirdo:

gregarious something?

[19:46:14]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:46:26]

directhex:

we've already done H

[19:46:31]

directhex:

next would be I, then?

[19:46:44]

Beirdo:

inquisitive ibex?

[19:46:57]

zambaroo:

itchy ivy

[19:46:59]

directhex:

intense impala?

[19:47:20]

** juski wonders what Horace is doing these days & if he'd like to be a theme mascot **

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directhex:

irritable iguana

[19:48:07]

** directhex makes juski play "hungry horace" on his dragon 32 **

[19:48:13]

juski:

recalitrant racoon

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TSCHAKWerk:

dragon32? coco clone?

[19:48:27]

TSCHAKWerk:

:-)

[19:48:30]

juski:

directhex: no! I had a trash-80 coco

[19:48:42]

juski:

my parents were cruel

[19:48:43]

directhex:

i'm the only one with the full-on welsh one then? :(

[19:48:53]

clever[rev]:

the flash player in mythweb isnt working at all

[19:49:01]

juski:

I borrowed one for a while to test my micronet 800 modem

[19:49:06]

** TSCHAKWerk was an Atari 800 hacker from wayyy back hehe **

[19:49:10]

zambaroo:

hm, where are the recordings kept?

[19:49:15]

clever[rev]:

its never worked for me

[19:49:16]

juski:

zambaroo: in a directory

[19:49:23]

zambaroo:

yeah, whats the path :P

[19:49:25]

juski:

where you tell it to keep em

[19:49:30]

directhex:

zambaroo, that's up to you

[19:49:31]

zambaroo:

default.

[19:49:35]

directhex:

somewhere in /var by default i think

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juski:

/var/lib/mythtv IIRC

[19:49:39]

zambaroo:

hm okay

[19:49:45]

** zambaroo roots around **

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juski:

dc2448: this is not #lirc

[19:50:05]

dc2448:

juski: no really

[19:50:08]

directhex:

dc2448, is the file in that user's ~/.mythtv/lircrc (note position of dots)

[19:50:16]

zambaroo:

pvr:/var/lib/mythtv/recordings#

[19:50:29]

zambaroo:

hm. it's a .nuv file. what can play this?

[19:50:36]

juski:

zambaroo: mythtv!

[19:50:45]

clever[rev]:

the program called 'mythtv' can play them

[19:50:49]

** juski amazes even himself sometimes **

[19:50:55]

zambaroo:

er. wee! but other than the obvious?

[19:50:57]

dc2448:

directhex: – thanks

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clever[rev]:

mplayer also:P

[19:51:09]

TSCHAKWerk:

and there is nuvexport

[19:51:20]

zambaroo:

argh.. 10 minutes netted a 910M file. do we like that?

[19:51:39]

** dc2448 wonders why some people have to be cocks on irc **

[19:52:03]

zambaroo:

dc2448, are you referring to me?

[19:52:48]

directhex:

dc2448, try working in tech support for a few years, then ask yourself if you could do the same job in your spare time for fun & remain constantly cheery

[19:52:49]

dc2448:

zambaroo: no

[19:52:58]

zambaroo:

oh

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directhex:

zambaroo, file size depends on your tuner type

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zambaroo:

shrug

[19:54:33]

zambaroo:

thanks

[19:55:02]

directhex:

and your tuner settings if using an analog one

[19:55:30]

juski:

oh he must've been on about me. never mind. if he thought I was being a cock then – he should meet me when I'm drunk & in need of a cig

[19:55:45]

zambaroo:

lol

[19:56:03]

zambaroo:

ppl complaining about penis on irc havent been long enough on the intertubes.

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juski:

and they've prolly not been on that online halflife thing

[19:56:39]

juski:

noob! nooob! noooooooob! (ahh ashaddap!)

[19:56:48]

paranoid_:

Half Life has always been an online game ;)

[19:56:50]

directhex:

the intartubes are a scary and lawless place

[19:57:02]

** paranoid_ wonders if juski is thinking of secondlife **

[19:57:08]

opello:

heh

[19:57:08]

juski:

paranoid_: no

[19:57:20]

paranoid_:

well, I'll just sit back in my corner then.

[19:57:27]

opello:

online counter for the half-life of some radioactive particle?

[19:57:39]

juski:

god I even paid for that game & it turned out to be the most unfriendly place I'd ever seen for noobs on the net

[19:58:01]

paranoid_:

juski: then you have obviously never played Halo 2

[19:58:02]

juski:

ahh CS.. that was it

[19:58:13]

directhex:

counterstrike isn't a friendly place

[19:58:14]

paranoid_:

oh no wait, I see the comparison you are drawing now.

[19:58:16]

directhex:

nor is halo, really

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juski:

paranoid_: not online no.

[19:58:30]

directhex:

action half life was always good natured

[19:58:36]

paranoid_:

juski: it's infected by a disease I like to call 'American fourteen year old boy'

[19:58:40]

directhex:

starcraft, there's an unfriendly place

[19:59:03]

juski:

well, I just couldn't get over the fact that so many people wouldn't give a lamer a break. i mean hell – everybody starts out being crap

[19:59:21]

paranoid_:

juski: all counterstrike players have always been 'pro' period.

[19:59:25]

juski:

even the noob servers were full of idiots

[19:59:37]

paranoid_:

I'm good now, therefore I have always been good.

[19:59:46]

paranoid_:

also, see reference american fourteen year old boy

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juski:

so eyah if nybody says I'm a cock, they should see me on a bad day

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directhex:

counterstrike players are a hilarious breed

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paranoid_:

directhex: :]

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Tanthrix:

Never good get into counterstrike, but I did my fair share of TFC playing

[20:00:55]

directhex:

i always enjoyed AHL. that was my game of choice for a while

[20:01:03]

directhex:

and ut2004. i rule at onslaught :)

[20:01:05]

Tanthrix:

Always with all players muted of course ;)

[20:01:08]

juski:

directhex: last time I played .. prolly the last _ever_ time, these scousers came in & just started killing everybody, yelling "noob!" over their mikes. 8-|

[20:01:36]

Tanthrix:

Whoever came up with the idea of voice chatting during gaming needs to be shot

[20:01:44]

paranoid_:

last time I played I borrowed someone elses account and teamkilled all the people that ran about calling everyone 'noobs' :]

[20:01:46]

Tanthrix:

Worst. Idea. Ever. and such

[20:01:59]

juski:

if I could have found out where the lived I could've fragged them for real .. muhhahaha

[20:02:22]

paranoid_:

juski: careful, that kind of talk gets you vanned ;)

[20:02:29]

juski:

vanned?

[20:02:36]

paranoid_:

as in, put in a big black van

[20:02:38]

paranoid_:

never to be seen again

[20:02:40]

Tanthrix:

Worse than banning – they come in a van in the middle of the night

[20:02:42]

juski:

riiiight

[20:02:55]

juski:

it'll get me outta here for a bit anyway

[20:03:04]

paranoid_:

you think I'm joking

[20:03:08]

paranoid_:

hold while I find a link

[20:03:34]

opello:

then that van swims back over the atlantic

[20:03:36]

** juski imagines some crappy tinny musak playing in his ear **

[20:03:38]

frink_:

juski: Is .21 worth using at th emoment?

[20:03:44]

juski:

frink_: ohyeah

[20:03:54]

frink_:

bugfix++ ?

[20:03:54]

paranoid_:

juski: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/03/stude . . . texasschool/

[20:04:04]

frink_:

its funny

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TSCHAKWerk:

that whole thing was retarded

[20:04:13]

juski:

frink_: features++

[20:04:19]

frink_:

i make a doom map of my workplace years ago

[20:04:20]

paranoid_:

I love how people describe first person shooters as 'killing simulations'

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opello:

more like ridiculous

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opello:

we were proud of our campus map

[20:04:40]

stuarta:

well that wasn't much fun.

[20:04:47]

frink_:

juski: I canna find a changelog with .21 features on, can you point to one?

[20:04:50]

paranoid_:

because the number of guns I've shot by clicking a mouse is exactly the same as the number of ferraris I own.

[20:05:17]

stuarta:

1hr to get 11% of the way into a conversion of the local machine into a vmware instance

[20:05:43]

frink_:

11% :0

[20:05:48]

frink_:

oh well..

[20:05:57]

frink_:

how do you do this conversioning stuarta ?

[20:06:01]

juski:

frink_: web streaming..

[20:06:12]

juski:

multirec branch. ...

[20:06:14]

stuarta:

yeah, either that or i have to work out how to use vmware to "boot" the windows partition.

[20:06:23]

stuarta:

frink_: they provide a tool

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TSCHAKWerk:

okay am off

[20:06:40]

TSCHAKWerk:

to buy the next pieceso f m

[20:06:42]

TSCHAKWerk:

my htpc

[20:06:43]

TSCHAKWerk:

yay

[20:06:53]

frink_:

stuarta: I'll look into that.. cound be handy. The ast few times I thought of converting i saw it as a good time for a reinstall anyway

[20:07:36]

stuarta:

the only gotcha i know with the free version

[20:07:47]

stuarta:

is that you can't go linux -> vmware guest

[20:08:03]

stuarta:

you have to go linux -> ghost image -> vmware guest

[20:08:21]

juski:

oh btw uk peeps – bbc4 is having a series about kids' tv shows from the 1950s to present day, starting this saturday

[20:08:31]

stuarta:

hmm

[20:08:38]

directhex:

juski, O RLY? what time?

[20:08:58]

paranoid_:

too bad I was born in the 80s, thereby missing most of the good stuff

[20:08:59]

juski:

21:05

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stuarta:

oh but there is much more classy tv on

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stuarta:

"Teen Boob Jobs"

[20:09:46]

GreyFoxx:

stuarta: rsync is your friend

[20:10:04]

stuarta:

GreyFoxx: if i could just boot it i'd be happy...

[20:10:06]

juski:

I set up a rule to record everything with "Children's TV On Trial" in the title

[20:10:07]

GreyFoxx:

boot the guest and rsync the other machine, once done setup the boot partition and you are done

[20:10:11]

directhex:

yay, i've de-mangled my animatrix dvd rip, can convert to ogm now

[20:10:18]

GreyFoxx:

I usually use a knioppix CD and do it :)

[20:10:29]

stuarta:

i don't actually have a guest yet.

[20:10:37]

gbee:

juski: I've found in the past that the quality programming I remember from my childhood is frankly shit when seen again as an adult ;)

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GreyFoxx:

grar, hit the wrong key and auto rejoined

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juski:

stuarta: I wanted to see 'Virgin School', but on reading reviews of it became very glad i forgot to myth it

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stuarta:

juski: heard about that.

[20:11:29]

stuarta:

GreyFoxx: so you create a new guest and then rsync?

[20:11:39]

GreyFoxx:

stuarta: exactly

[20:11:46]

juski:

got "The Great Sperm Crisis" to watch at some point if I can be bothered

[20:11:56]

stuarta:

juski: hahahaha!

[20:11:59]

GreyFoxx:

assuming the source machine is a linux/*nix* machine

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juski:

.. if that is I don't spend the rest of my days hiding from sources of RF energy after watching last night's Panorama

[20:12:32]

stuarta:

host is unix, other drive is winblows which gets booted about once every 6 months

[20:12:46]

juski:

can you spell s c a r e m o n g e r i n g ? ;)

[20:12:48]

stuarta:

hence wouldn't mind vmwareing it.

[20:12:51]

blah:

Am I correct in believing that I should *not* run a 64 bit distro on my new Core 2 Duo system? (As there really aren't any benefits for a mythbox, and probably some downsides)

[20:13:03]

GreyFoxx:

Personally I've never converted a windows machine to a VM but the guys here do it with Acronis

[20:13:07]

stuarta:

blah: i don't believe you.

[20:13:15]

stuarta:

GreyFoxx: me either.

[20:13:24]

gbee:

fluffed the commit message *sigh*

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stuarta:

and i'm not so keen on creating a new vm on the physical disk that already contains winblows

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GreyFoxx:

For the moment I'm getting around my iptv lockup issue by moving my channel m3u file to a webserver so the iptvchannel code uses a different function to load it :)

[20:14:48]

GreyFoxx:

so far it's worked fine, yay

[20:14:52]

Tanthrix:

Er, looks like installing VirtualPC knocked my network off when setting up its super special network driver

[20:15:04]

directhex:

thpecial!

[20:15:45]

juski:

woo I should be making a 'buy my miffteevee cathe badthes now!' webpage

[20:15:52]

** GreyFoxx heads home **

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Tanthrix:

stuarta: Why don't you believe me? ;)

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stuarta:

i'm happily running 64 bit OS for myth

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directhex:

there are no downsides for a pure mythbox

[20:16:50]

Tanthrix:

Is there any benefit to doing so though?

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directhex:

as the downsides to an amd64 distro focus on proprietary binary things like flash that you won't be using

[20:17:04]

Tanthrix:

I see

[20:17:04]

directhex:

Tanthrix, increased speed when doing anything transcodey

[20:17:23]

Tanthrix:

Would that include general video decoding?

[20:17:34]

gwreddragon:

64-bit isn't really likely to cause a lot of problems

[20:17:41]

Tanthrix:

For x264 specifically

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directhex:

for playback? doesn't matter, if your cpu is at 100% you have bigger issues

[20:18:05]

directhex:

you won't decode h264 in realtime with x264. not yet

[20:18:11]

paranoid_:

I've got Vista x64 for at work... now there's fun :]

[20:18:40]

frink_:

Do the hauppauge cards do HD DVB? Or will a compro dvb-t300 ?

[20:19:08]

directhex:

frink_, a DVB card just snatches the stream out of the air. it's down to your host system as to whether it can show the stream contents

[20:19:17]

frink_:

directhex: Thats what I thought..

[20:19:20]

Tanthrix:

directhex: Well, for my current system that is sometimes the case. That's why I'm building a new myth box with an E4400

[20:19:26]

juski:

frink_: YMMV. some can't cope with the sheer bus throughput of a full HDTV muc

[20:19:30]

juski:

*mux

[20:19:48]

directhex:

Tanthrix, you won't play h264 content realtime with x264, even with that cpu

[20:19:51]

juski:

ohyay.. YMMV

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frink_:

directhex: It's just more data at a higher datarate but presumably it just takes more of the OFDM space up.

[20:20:08]

juski:

am I right or am I right, stuarta? ;) (I fink you told me so)

[20:20:19]

Tanthrix:

directhex: I can play 720P x264 stuff most of the time on my Athlon XP 2600+ .....

[20:20:22]

paranoid_:

sometimes pandora.com concerns me... I fail to see how 'madonna' is anything like 'sneaker pimps'

[20:20:29]

janneg:

x264 can't decode h.264 at all

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directhex:

Tanthrix, here, play http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/force.php?file=./bbc.hd.ts

[20:20:48]

stuarta:

GreyFoxx: literally rsync <partition> <.vmdk> ???

[20:20:51]

directhex:

Tanthrix, with audio & video in sync!

[20:21:41]

frink_:

is there any activity on the BBC HDTV DVB transmission at the moment?

[20:21:44]

Tanthrix:

directhex: I know that any 1080p h264 is nearly out of the question, but I'm not going to be playing transport stream x264 or stuff straight from HD-DVDs

[20:21:45]

directhex:

paranoid_, erm... let me think... sneaker pimps isn't a million miles from... um... massive attack, and they did a madonna track remix or two at some point in their careers?

[20:22:01]

stuarta:

frink_: yes, on the dvb-t test mux at least

[20:22:33]

frink_:

stuarta: Do you need to do anything special to ge it?

[20:22:40]

paranoid_:

directhex: <a href="tenuous">tenuous</a>

[20:22:42]

stuarta:

live near it?

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directhex:

frink_, live near crystal palace

[20:22:53]

juski:

frink_: you need to _be_ special to get it ;)

[20:22:56]

frink_:

stuarta: Oh, I use xtal palace :)

[20:22:58]

directhex:

paranoid_, hey, you asked!

[20:23:08]

frink_:

I can see it form the top of my roof ;-)

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** frink_ gets all exighted **

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stuarta:

frink_: well then you should be able to get it

[20:23:21]

stuarta:

i can see it from my window

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stuarta:

without standing up

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frink_:

I guess a Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz should decode it oright

[20:23:39]

paranoid_:

directhex: yes, but pandora is supposed to match things that are stylistically similar – however your knowledge of music impresses me :]

[20:23:48]

stuarta:

frink_: unlikely

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frink_:

stuarta: really?

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Tanthrix:

directhex: Though, I was actually able to play a 1080P x264 BBC file (not a transport stream, but one from the apple site) on my E6400 without any stuttering.

[20:24:05]

stuarta:

it'll record it no problems.

[20:24:11]

juski:

stuarta: I think it was you who told me you'd had bother pulling it in with a nova-t

[20:24:32]

stuarta:

juski: nope wasn't me, don't have one

[20:25:08]

stuarta:

if that

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stuarta:

you can however transcode it down.

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paranoid_:

oh yey, my halo3 beta has finished downloading

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** stuarta wonders how huge the files would be if transcoded to mpeg2 **

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frink_:

directhex: Thats just silly ;-)

[20:26:34]

stuarta:

sadly it's realistic

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janneg:

stuarta: something strange is going on. I don't believe that the BBC stream is so much harder to decode

[20:27:38]

Tanthrix:

Or use PowerDVD in windows. Works fine in there on my E6400

[20:28:02]

Tanthrix:

I'm hopeful that we'll see some multi-threaded and/or GPU assisted x264 decoders quite soon

[20:28:03]

janneg:

I would expect something like 20fps

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Tanthrix:

(For linux, that is)

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frink_:

PentiumD 965 3.73GHz LGA775 FSB1066 2 x 2Mb Retail Boxed

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stuarta:

janneg: i'll do a bit of a test in a few minutes

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directhex:

Tanthrix, intel are working on it

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frink_:

555.00

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frink_:

ouch..

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directhex:

frink_, pentium-d sucks. that chip will be far outclassed by a mid-range core2

[20:28:57]

frink_:

are there any higher clock core 2?

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Tanthrix:

Or even a low end core 2 duo actually

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directhex:

frink_, no. core2 runs a lower clock speed by design

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frink_:

the core2 extreme is only 2.9Ghz

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directhex:

more actual work done per cycle

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frink_:

4ghz core2 is a start <-- how then? ;-)

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Tanthrix:

With the help of MaverickTech and a5benwillis we compared a Pentium D 3.4GHz to a Core 2 Duo E6300

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directhex:

frink_, phase change cooling!

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frink_:

directhex: I see :0

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Tanthrix:

The latter was about 10 percent faster for doing x264 decoding of the same stream

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paranoid_:

directhex: I'm looking at phase change for my next rig :]

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Tanthrix:

(IE, comparong one core to one core's uage)

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frink_:

Now I have 2.4Ghz quad core duo at work, a SMP decoder would be nice :)

[20:30:33]

directhex:

frink_, it's a codec issue. the only open-source h264 codec in linux is a) not fast b) single threaded

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stuarta:

which c) sux

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frink_:

i wouldnt like to work out how to make something like that multi threaded either

[20:31:05]

janneg:

frink_: someone posted a proof of concept patch last week

[20:31:15]

directhex:

frink_, there's an option (loading a paid binary h264 codec for windows into myth), but it;s a lame hack i wouldn't recommend

[20:31:42]

Tanthrix:

Would be great if the CoreAVC folks would just open source their decoder

[20:31:45]

frink_:

so long as it's only a codec issue then itll get fixed eventually

[20:31:53]

directhex:

Tanthrix, yeah, and pigs will fly

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stuarta:

yes it should be fixed. the keyword is *eventually*

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directhex:

frink_, intel are trying to get hardware accelerated decoding on their open driver, for those with intel onboard

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directhex:

frink_, even if you don't, it should force nvidia to match them

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frink_:

yeah

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Tanthrix:

Well this is freaking weird. For a while now when I boot up I see "Error,type any key to reboot" at which I hit enter and windows boots normally

[20:34:16]

Tanthrix:

Just installed virtualPC, and it's doing the exact same thing

[20:34:23]

Tanthrix:

But it doesn't actually boot anything

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Tanthrix:

Just gives me the error again

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Tanthrix:

14 hits on google, most not in English – excellent!

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hume:

hi....is it possible to use an external usb-drive to store mythtv recordings on?

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directhex:

hume, sure. but you'll make myth sad if it's not plugged in

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hume:

:)

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hume:

not just myth....

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hume:

i need a temporary solution....

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hume:

and: is it possible to manually move recordings to another place, or do I mess up for myth?

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directhex:

hume, you can do what you like. myth just sees a folder. where that folder is is irrelevant

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hume:

i'm planning to use an external hdd for a while, and then move the recordings to a larger storage space and another installation

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hume:

ok, thx

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juski:

ohyeah frink_ I forgot about storage groups :)

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juski:

wow. my mythbox has been in the wild for 24 hours now & nothing untoward has happened yet

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frink_:

juski: thats impressive ;-)

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juski:

I deliberately left it out there in the open too

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directhex:

i had dinnar, but am still hungwy :'(

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juski:

wth? Tele X has a show called "play the si**"... what on Earth is si**?

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zambaroo:

sittar.

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directhex:

Play the S**t~~~~~~false~false~false~false~false~false~false~false~~~Entertainment~~false ~24/05/2007~00:50~01:10~20

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juski:

oyeah almost forgot stuarta – fink we need an EIT fixup for televisionX

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directhex:

clever[rev], turn that off

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directhex:

juski, whyso?

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clever[rev]:

turn what off?

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juski:

ahh.. play the slot? ;)

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directhex:

-clever[rev]- It isnt your turn...chill.

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clever[rev]:

ahhh the crapy uno script:P

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** clever[rev] edits it **

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clever[rev]:

it should fully ignore freenode now

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juski:

directhex: description info is being a bit daft.. or mixed up with the show title.. or is it that the subtitle is lumped in with the title.. gmmm

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juski:

just for the sake of completeness you understand. I won't be watching the rubbish

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juski:

don't need it when there are binary newsgroups

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directhex:

juski, while you're at it, add an anti-swear filter! how am i meant to schedule all shows with *gently caress* in the title as is?

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juski:

lol

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juski:

it has one already

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juski:

think "The An** Office"

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** zambaroo sighs **

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zambaroo:

silly alsa

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directhex:

alsa > you

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zambaroo:

probably

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zambaroo:

trying to beat cx8800-alsa module to recognize the options im configuring

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juski:

still think it's funny all their shows are only 15–20 mins long

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directhex:

juski, want to know why?

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juski:

directhex: duh no ;)

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juski:

though why they don't just show the last 5 minutes I'll never know

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directhex:

juski, because the source material is R18, so they need to cut the material by 90% to get it down to an 18, for airing

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juski:

it's so you can feel like you're on a real date?

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hadees:

okay so i found a bug but i am not sure how to write it up. Basically i have a channel that i can't view unless i first go the other channel that shares the same frequency. How can I tell if this is a bug with the dvb driver or mythtv? And what information do i need to provide to help fix the problem.

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directhex:

juski, even crappy british porn has too much *gasp* sex in it for showing on a british sex channel. hence they just leave in the foreplay, mild lesbianism, and anything that doesn't involve wang

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juski:

directhex: no wang porn is fine by me

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juski:

anyway

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Zider:

whoooo wanta some wang

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stuarta:

hadees: do you have multiple cards?

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hadees:

stuarta, i have one dvb card and 3 STD hardware mpeg2 cards

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sphery:

lol

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hadees:

juski, you should watch Japanese porn then, they blur that all out but they make up for it with money shots

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Dagmar:

lol

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sphery:

hadees: Can you get to the channel if you're on an unrelated channel while watching through the DVB card?

[21:04:38]

juski:

I'll get my coat

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hadees:

sphery, nope, i have to go to the other channel on the same freq first

[21:04:45]

directhex:

i've seen british tv porn which is, frankly, TERRIFYING. 30 minutes of a woman dousing herself with a bottle of water in everywhichway? that ain't right!

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directhex:

yet it's considered safer for teevee than a good old fashioned shag

[21:05:02]

juski:

hadees: like I said try a dvb viewing app

[21:05:13]

hadees:

sphery, if i change the channel to any other channel i can't get back to it with out first going to the channel on the same freq

[21:05:19]

juski:

kaffeine etc.. or tzap if you feel masochistic

[21:05:33]

juski:

hadees: is said channel encrippled?

[21:05:35]

hadees:

juski, i'm installing it now, sphery was just asking questions

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geoffeg:

When I change what CAPTUR goes to in alsamixer do I need to restart mythtv backend or frontend, reload modules, etc?

[21:05:37]

sphery:

Hmmm. I think stuarta will have to help you, then. It's not the capture card/input changing thing most people have troubles with.

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hadees:

juski, you mean encrypted? does'nt appear to be, it also worked for a while, i think something new in the latest gentoo release caused the problem although i'll know more after i try kaffeine it with

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sphery:

geoffeg: In theory, no. However, if you tried to do something in Myth and it failed (with an error--as opposed to just no sound), it may be required.

[21:07:30]

hadees:

i might even try going back a release but that is a pain in the ass

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geoffeg:

sphery: The problem being that I can't get audio to sync up with video when viewing NTSC stuff off cable (non-digital cable).. Off by about 2 seconds. I've been told to muck around with what CAPTUR goes to.

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geoffeg:

I guess setting CAPTUR defines what devices use to grab incoming sound. I've got my TV tuner card plugged into the "microphone" port on my motherboard and I guess I need to tell ALSA which one to use.

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sphery:

geoffeg: You'll probably get better results with a line input--especially if you have a stereo output on your capture card.

[21:21:45]

sphery:

For those changes, though, you probably don't need to restart anything (except, of course, the recording--i.e. exit and re-enter LiveTV).

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sphery:

With the audio being off by 2 seconds, you're probably listening to the capture card's output instead of listening to the output from Myth's player.

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Zeroth404:

what was the estimated size? 1gb per hour?

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sphery:

So, you probably need to mess with the Mute's on your mixer controls

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stuarta:

Zeroth404: estimated size of what? my pet hamster?

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echosyp:

can anyone instruct me how to use my itouch keyboards media buttons

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Zeroth404:

stuarta: of coruse, what did oyu think? a cat?

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** gbee sets his cat on stuarta's hamster **

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** stuarta throws the bloody carcass at Zeroth404 **

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Beirdo:

ewww

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echosyp:

anyone?

[21:25:22]

Beirdo:

echosyp, maybe use google?

[21:25:24]

Zeroth404:

the size of an hours worth of tv recording in the default compression

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directhex:

Zeroth404, depends on the type of card you use

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echosyp:

been there

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Zeroth404:

ball park

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Zeroth404:

well, in that case

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stuarta:

500Mb – 15Gb

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Zeroth404:

its some sort of ATI card... not sure just yet (and it's old)

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directhex:

framegrabbertastic

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directhex:

that's entirely down to config.

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Beirdo:

echosyp, well, itouch keyboards != mythtv, you aren't exactly in the right place to expect much of an answer :)

[21:26:31]

sphery:

echosyp: There are many HOWTO's on the web. There are many differences depending on your specific system configuration (i.e. using evdev or not, X version, kernel version, kernel keymap and configuration). So, your best bet is to ask someone who's also using your distro (i.e. your distro's channel or fora or mailing lists).

[21:26:36]

stuarta:

i've no idea what an itouch keyboard is.

[21:26:45]

geoffeg:

sphery: Yea, sadly my POS shuttle PC has only a Mic port :(

[21:27:28]

sphery:

well, perhaps it's just a single port that can be used as either (i.e. full stereo or mic).

[21:27:41]

directhex:

commonly

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geoffeg:

sphery: perhaps

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echosyp:

Beirdo, obviously i want to use the media buttons with myth, or i would have asked elsewhere

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** sphery wonders if he should mention that Myth only supports those "media keys" that are supported by QT3... **

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geoffeg:

sphery: But your suggestion makes more sense now since when I exited out of LiveTV I could still hear the sound from the tuner card.

[21:29:11]

sphery:

And that's after you've properly configured your kernel and X

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Zeroth404:

directhex, I believe its an "ATI TV" card, (yes, thats its actual name)

[21:29:45]

directhex:

Zeroth404, it's a framegrabber. it uses your CPU for encoding, as such quality is entirely software-controlled

[21:30:22]

Zeroth404:

directhex, I assume thats not ideal

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sphery:

geoffeg: Yeah. You need to do the mutes...

[21:30:44]

directhex:

Zeroth404, not really

[21:30:57]

Zeroth404:

especially on a 400mhz celeron :-p

[21:31:05]

sphery:

it gives more control over quality, but it takes a lot of CPU

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directhex:

sphery, DVB!

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sphery:

Oh, getting the digital directly is even better...

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zambaroo:

Zeroth404, does your sound work

[21:35:17]

zambaroo:

?

[21:35:28]

Zeroth404:

zambaroo: eh, why you askin me?

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** Zeroth404 hasn't installed mythtv yet **

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zambaroo:

you just mentioned ATI TV

[21:35:58]

zambaroo:

do you have the card installed already

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Zeroth404:

heh no

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Zeroth404:

I haven't stolen it yet

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zambaroo:

oh, okay

[21:36:16]

Zeroth404:

err, confiscated :-)

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zambaroo:

i bought one for $49 last weekend.

[21:36:50]

Zeroth404:

well, anyway

[21:37:22]

Zeroth404:

what would be a nice cheap card with hardware compression? (I'm thinking like 50 bucks :-)

[21:37:56]

directhex:

Zeroth404, hardware compression means a hauppauge pvr150. i don;t know what they cost

[21:38:27]

directhex:

Zeroth404, those of us in civilized countries get digital tv directly via antennas

[21:38:53]

Zeroth404:

well, I dont have digital, I just have regular cable :-)

[21:39:05]

Zeroth404:

antenna tv gets like 4 channels :-p

[21:41:16]

zambaroo:

you can tape 'upstairs, downstairs'

[21:41:21]

zambaroo:

or 'mom, PI'

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directhex:

freeview has 45ish channels, plus radio

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Anduin:

Zeroth404: the pvr150 is often recommended, usually goes for a little more than your budget, but can be found for less (occasionally)

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Zeroth404:

does that suck up a lot of juice? my PSU is ancient

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zambaroo:

now im all excited about this 150 thingamabobber

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Anduin:

Zeroth404: I forget, I know the older 350/250s were reported something close to 14 watts, I bet there is better info out there.

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zambaroo:

hm, now pvr150, but this thing has a $50 rebate on it.. http://shop2.outpost.com/product/5169726#detailed

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Zeroth404:

rebate isn't guarunteed in any case

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Zeroth404:

zambaroo: not seeing the rebate option...

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frink_:

what bitrate are dtv streams on average?

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zambaroo:

Zeroth404, in store

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Zeroth404:

I'm in michigan. the only Frys I know of is in Texas :-)

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zambaroo:

Zeroth404, i was there last weekend, held this thing in my hands and decided against it.

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gbee:

the real cheap-skate broadcasters use low res and high compression

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frink_:

gbee: like shopping channels :)

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gbee:

frink_: yeah

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directhex:

gbee, there's a question of space on the mux, though. some muxes are pretty full up, and not really quality-dependent

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opello:

Zeroth404: http://shop1.outpost.com/template/help/index/ . . . D2StoreHours :)

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directhex:

the beeb do a good job managing their mux

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frink_:

of course, they are the beeb :)

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Tronic:

The DVB bandwidth prices here are so outrageous that everybody uses low bitrates.

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gbee:

directhex: it's only because broadcasters are prepared to accept low quality that they even try to squeeze so many channels onto a mux

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janneg:

I've already seen more than 3G/h from german public roadcasters

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frink_:

Tronic: where is here?

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Tronic:

Finland.

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zambaroo:

ah, nice saunas

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Tronic:

:P

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zambaroo:

Tronic, we go to korean spa's here. NOT the same. still nice, though. granted it's mostly warm around here.

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zambaroo:

so does everyone agree that the pvr150 is an optimal choice?

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gbee:

zambaroo: for analogue, yeah

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gbee:

although depending on what you plan to use it for and what you want from mythtv, something like the PVR500 might be better still and possibly cost effective compared to buying two PVR150s

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frink_:

gah

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frink_:

anybody know why the frontend would start in what looks like 8 bit colour mode? If I stop and restart it starts up fine.

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Joe454:

anyone here using nuvexport?

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hads:

"sudo aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r`"

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HalonChilled_:

thank you i will try

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HalonChilled_:

I followed hads advice now when I run "apt-get update" I recieve the following errors "W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead." I also get... "W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-security_main_binary -i38

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hads:

There's something wrong with your apt sources, try #ubuntu

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HalonChilled_:

thanks

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wide-eye:

is there a config option for mythbackend that forces ipv4 dns lookups?

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wide-eye:

might be a debian thing why it asks for a ipv6 address

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psychomohel:

is there anyway to have the watch tv option not record tv live? I am trying to play my ps2 through mythtv and its very annoying having it be a second behind

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hads:

Use a direct input to the TV.

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psychomohel:

hads: i want to avoid that, the tv is a projector and its too high up for the wires to reach

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Anduin:

psychomohel: MyhtTV is not the proper tool

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psychomohel:

Anduin: what is then?

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Tanthrix:

psychomohel: What card are you using? If it's a PVR card then you're flat out of luck since they have an inherent deley.

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Anduin:

psychomohel: it depends, what Tanthrix just said may be a factor

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psychomohel:

Tanthrix: hah i think im out of luck then

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Tanthrix:

PVR cards (like the PVR-150, PVR-350, etc..) have hardware mpeg encoding, meaning that instead of just outputting raw frames the card actually encodes the incoming video into mpeg2

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Anduin:

longer wires, or some sort of invention which would allow you to place the things connected by wires closer physically

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psychomohel:

Anduin: yes, but wires are for some reason fairly expensive and i was hoping to avoid buying some

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psychomohel:

well thanks for the help

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Tanthrix:

You could buy a frame grabber card and use something other than myth to play back its input, but that is a terrible solution in comparison to just running the wire, and it probably wouldn't fix all of the delay

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psychomohel:

Tanthrix: or i will just hook it up to a tv in another room

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Tanthrix:

That works. Though it's not very slick if you're trying to do a nice home theater setup..

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