Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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juski:

thanks for that/ we should document all this non docu'd stuff someday :0

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juski:

whee just made button_on.png a teeny bit more shiny

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kash:

lol oops.

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juski:

sometimes I regret ever learning how to draw shiny things in vector art

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juski:

cos after that everything has to be shiny

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chuk:

you should hide an easter egg in the reflection

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kash:

aw, chuk learned english :)

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kash:

i'm proud, chuk.

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chuk:

you

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chuk:

should

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chuk:

hide

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juski:

no offense but that sounds like the lamest idea I've ever heard

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kash:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1zh7s_bush-doesnt-know <- that's dubya when his earpiece died

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chuk:

nekkid women

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chuk:

or like this:

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chuk:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/risque/graphics/kettle.jpg

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kash:

yuuuck

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juski:

been thinking about taking sound clips from 'Peep Show' & re-dubbing them over the Mac adverts

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livingtm:

If an error occurs during a user job, does it get logged? I have a job that doesnt seem to run properly, but i dont see anything suspect in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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kash:

make the user job script log its output

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livingtm:

If i run the command specified in the user job from the command line, the job runs fine (as the mythtv user)

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livingtm:

can i just toss a "> /tmp/joblog" on the end?

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livingtm:

Interesting... In the "Select a recording to watch" screen, if i get the info on a show, it says the job is still running (from three days ago)

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livingtm:

although the process is not running (ps -e)

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kash:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UIVI04k8DL0

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kash:

juski

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kash:

http://moocow.edu.ms/stuff/images/cable/

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Zider:

how discrete ;)

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kash:

i dunno what they are

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kash:

i was asking juski how they disable your cable without unplugging it

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kash:

but i guess they do unplug it from that trunk

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Fnc:

anyone running torrentocracy?

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kash:

what's it do?

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Fnc:

http://torrentocracy.com

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Zider:

I don't think talk like that is appreciated here :P

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kash:

hmm, interesting..

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kash:

Zider: who are you talking to?

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kash:

he could be using torrents to download the latest knoppmyth for all we know

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Zider:

well, both, if you're talking about torrents ;)

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kash:

give people the benefit of the doubt

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Beirdo:

not the way it works

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Zider:

better to stay clear of such subjects altogether

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kash:

from the site: "...This shows an actively joined Grateful Dead torrent found on bt.etree.org. Many other well known bands also allow you to legally share their live recordings."

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kash:

:)

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Beirdo:

too much political hot water involved, and the media and others who may be listening in or reading the archives aren't necessarily smart enough to notice the difference

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kash:

right, so where do those users go for support that wish to use the plugin

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Beirdo:

the last thing we need to do is attract more unwanted negative attention to mythtv

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Beirdo:

ask the authors of that plugin perhaps

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Fnc:

guess thats why its an unoffical plugin?

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

Isaac nixed it on day one. :)

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Zider:

nixed?

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Beirdo:

the first he heard of it, he expressed a very strong negative sentiment

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Fnc:

actually i do dl a lot of torrents, use vmware for testing stuff, and all the linux distros seem to have torrents nowdays...

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Beirdo:

yes, but it's still too on the fringe to be in active discussion here. Please just live with that ;)

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kash:

yeah, since most home users don't have an upload limit and servers do :)

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kash:

Fnc: just go to the wiki and don't discuss it here

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Beirdo:

that works for me

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kash:

by wiki, i mean the plugin's wiki

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Beirdo:

heh. :)

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Fnc:

np... just didnt see what i was looking for... maybe someone can answer this...

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Fnc:

where do you install the plugins??? im guessing things that need menus edited would be on the frontend... but i noticed that my FE grab their look from the backend... but at the same time, on my knoppmyth FE, it has a knoppmyth menu option, but the backend is not knopp... so i was a bit confused on all that...

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Beirdo:

the plugins are on the frontend, to my knowledge

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kash:

Beirdo is correct

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Fnc:

also i was thinking about working on a plugin that will download HD trailers... im a long way off, got something working to scrape some trailer sites... but...would like to add a menu item... pretty sure i could script that, but have to work on the other data for populating the database with other info.. descriptions, release dates etc... using mythvideo would be helpful, happen to know if the devs are receptive to helping with t

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kash:

gah, my wireless driver keeps locking up my backend

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Tanthrix:

I really wish UPS would deliver ground on weekends

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kash:

wow.. my frontend/backend combo box has 342MB of RAM free out of 512

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kash:

most free ever

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kash:

i think that moving apache and mysql to another box helped

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kash:

why not do this:

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kash:

mount the new hard drive under another directory, then do 'cp -R -p /old/dir /new/dir' and then re-mount the hard drive under /old/dir

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Hoxzer:

I dont think that would mess up anyting

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mark488:

interesting

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mark488:

so as far as the database would know, nothing would've happened/moved...

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kash:

right.

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mark488:

then (i'm a linux newbie) how do i get the new hd mounted at /old/dir every reboot?

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mark488:

editing fstab or something?

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Hoxzer:

yep

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kash:

make sure to use XFS or JFS for your recordings volume

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kash:

otherwise you will get corrupt recordings

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kash:

especially with reiserfs

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Zider:

corrupt recordings..?

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mark488:

uh, i figured i'd format it reiserfs, ..... is xfs or jfs an option

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kash:

yeah

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kash:

mark488: mkfs.xfs

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Hoxzer:

kash: :O for me ext3 has worked just fine

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kash:

Hoxzer: ext* is fine, but XFS is faster

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Hoxzer:

oh

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Zider:

I never heard of any problems with reiserfs, except slow deletes

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kash:

every single recording i did on reiser was corrupt

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Zider:

perhaps you had a bad driver/hardware/kernel/whatever? :P

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kash:

nah, happened on 6 machines

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Zider:

I never heard of anyone else having that problewm

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kash:

guess i'm just unlucky

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kash:

lol, it says it on the gentoo wiki as well

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Zider:

that it gets corrupted with mythtv..?

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kash:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_Kernel/System_for_MythTV

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Zider:

strange

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kash:

i hate the box i build

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kash:

not fucking working

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kash:

built*

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Hoxzer:

:) Think it as an andventure

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kash:

http://www.bansheeproductions.net/convention/ . . . 20040057.JPG

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kash:

rofl, it's carl from athf

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mark488:

so if i mount the new hd at /old/dir (probably /video/recordings ) what happens to what had been at /old/dir ?

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kash:

it's not mounted anymore?

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kash:

you should probably rm -rf the stuff in the old folder before you mount the new hd there

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mark488:

i'm not sure where mythdora mounted the reiserfs partition, maybe /video . i'll check. but generically, if one mounts a partition at /video and there's currently stuff in /video, then is that stuff just unreachable until the partition is unmounted? or will the system meltdown... or ?

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hads:

It will just render it invisible, it will be there when you unmount whatever you mounted on top.

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geoffeg:

ap

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prg3:

Hi All.. I've got a PVR-250, everything seems to work, but only for channels 2–13, not the rest.. autodetect doesn't work on them, and they won't tune.. ideas?

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J-e-f-f-A:

prg3: change your frequency table to US-CABLE

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prg3:

J-e-f-f-A, Thanks, I think that did it. When did that default change?

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J-e-f-f-A:

prg3: I dunno... But cable and over-the-air share the same frequencies for 2–13, but not 14+

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prg3:

Yup, I was pretty sure i twas something dumb I missed :)

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prg3:

Thanks again

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J-e-f-f-A:

prg3: No Problem.

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geoffeg:

So my audio when watching MythTV live is about 2 seconds ahead of the video. NTSC, pcHDTV 5500, no problem when using xawtv. Any suggestions?

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J-e-f-f-A:

geoffeg: You need to mute your 'playback' line input, and un-mute your 'record' line input.

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Beirdo:

woohoo

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Beirdo:

downloading an opensolaris preinstalled domU image from Sun

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Beirdo:

muhahaha

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Beirdo:

should take 6.5h

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czth:

is there a spec for the MythArchive mydata.xml file somewhere? google is proving unhelpful, even w/ MythArchive qualifier.

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geoffeg:

J-e-f-f-A: Can you explain what that means? I thought I only had one input on my soundcard (the microphone input).

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geoffeg:

J-e-f-f-A: Is that in mythfrontend setup or something with alsamixer?

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hadees:

Beirdo, what are you going to do with opensolaris?

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GPLGeek:

Anyone know a good Linux-friendly DIGITAL-TV tuner card? My cable company is getting rid of analog cable...

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juski:

QAM or dvb-c ?

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hads:

Who's they that told you to go to #mythtv?

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GPLGeek:

It was a referal from another channel

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juski:

if you're in europe, GPLGeek then chances are you just need a dvb-c card with CI slot , a CAM & valid viewing card for your cable company

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GPLGeek:

[SDS]TVNinja

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GPLGeek:

I'm in California

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juski:

your options are very limited then

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juski:

1. get a digital STB & use a pvr150 & IR blaster

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juski:

2. get a digital STB with firewire output – maybe or may not output all the channels you subscribe to

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GPLGeek:

that sucks

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juski:

3. get a PCHDTV5000 or similar card & use it to tune the (hopefully unencrypted) QAM signals

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juski:

YMMV !

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GPLGeek:

I know a lot of the "digital tv ready" tvs are having problems with the signal, but comcast says its unencrypted but will not tell me what TYPE of signal exactly it is.

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juski:

look at this from the PoV of the broadcaster – by regaining control of who can tune into what, with what equipment & how – they can stop all the piracy

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GPLGeek:

there is no way to stop piracy

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juski:

and it's a really great way of locking you in

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GPLGeek:

but its not about piracy

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juski:

wanna dvr? you get their DVR

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GPLGeek:

its about watching tv on my 22" monitor

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juski:

true

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juski:

but it's about them controlling how when & where you watch their stuff

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GPLGeek:

I dont have enough space or money to buy a digital tv that may or may not work

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juski:

they lost control when VCRs came about & now they have a chance to regain that control

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juski:

anyway – try & find somebody in your general area who also has Comcast & see what they're using

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juski:

for standard def. TV, a set top box going into a pvr150 is adequate

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juski:

if the source is digital chances are it'll be better quality than analogue cable anyway

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juski:

from what I've heard, signal Q on analogue cable over there is very hit & miss

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GPLGeek:

I have a wintv pvr usb2 and it just blows

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GPLGeek:

windows or linux

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juski:

well, one thing you can be sure of is that the analogue cable signal will be what's making it blow

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GPLGeek:

the analog signal is a digital signal transcoded to analog

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GPLGeek:

so it "blips" as they call it

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GPLGeek:

sometimes it crashes

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purserj:

juski: what a wonderful way to completely screw digital

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purserj:

at least our mob of FTA broadcasters aren't playing silly buggers like that

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GPLGeek:

if I need a box to watch channels what's the point in buying cable in the first place?

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juski:

GPLGeek: it's always been like that in the UK

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GPLGeek:

cable can go to hell.

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hads:

Yeah, that seems normal to me

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GPLGeek:

the thing about boxes

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GPLGeek:

you gotta manually set the channel on the box

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juski:

and we're forbidden from connecting our own gear to the cable. plus they don't provide a means to legally decrypt the streams

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juski:

GPLGeek: you don't have to manually anything. not with an IR blaster

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GPLGeek:

I want my system to be able to choose the channel , decode it itself, and be able to auto-record specific channels

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GPLGeek:

ir blasters are not reliable

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hads:

Mine is

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juski:

I'd probably say they're _slow_ but not unreliable

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Anduin:

Some have serial as well

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atrus:

my pvrusb2 device came with a really slick usb irblaster that's working great.

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juski:

get a dbox2.. you can change channels with http :D

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juski:

now that's what I call a civilised way to change channels. no messing!

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juski:

just a massive pity they're 1337 as hell

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atrus:

i do have one challenge yet. my ir reciever is also on that usb box, so it's on the backend, whereas my frontend is a totally diffenent machine. so i need to get the ir rx'd events from the backend to the frontend to operate it...

[08:04:10]

atrus:

well, that and the whole mythtv not playing nicely with pulseaudio thing.

[08:04:35]

juski:

pulseaudio?

[08:05:42]

atrus:

newish sound architecture, formerly known as polypaudio.

[08:06:03]

juski:

don't think myth is even aware of such things

[08:06:09]

juski:

works with alsa, oss, jack...

[08:06:34]

atrus:

replacement for jack/nas/esd/etc, with zeroconf service discovery, and backwards compatability with everything.

[08:06:59]

juski:

sounds messy

[08:07:07]

atrus:

yeah, i have it presenting an alsa compatability layer, that works with all my other alsa apps, but not with myth for some reason.

[08:07:48]

atrus:

seems pretty graceful from my end actually.

[08:09:14]

atrus:

it's working really well for dynamic sound device configuration. eg, switching back and forth between my laptop's internal sound and an external surround sound system i have set up at home.

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juski:

what I mean is, sounds great from a user's perspective but very complicated & messy underneath

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sunset06:

hi all, got a mythfrontend question, hope im not butting in...

[08:15:57]

juski:

sunset06: just ask

[08:16:03]

juski:

asking to ask is just DAFT

[08:16:15]

Hugolp:

Hi

[08:16:27]

sunset06:

basically I've had the minimum mythbackend/front/mysql stuff going on an fc6 box.

[08:16:43]

sunset06:

But about a week ago, mythfrontend stopped working

[08:17:08]

juski:

and?

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sunset06:

when statrted from term, I see a -hit load of rtying to do db tuff flyby, then

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sunset06:

then im dumped out of X, back to the text login, nvidia logo appears a few seconds later, and

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juski:

could be that the database is borked

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juski:

run mysqlcheck -u mythtv -p mythconverg

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sunset06:

I need to loginto gdm again. All the apps that were open are gone.

[08:18:11]

sunset06:

OK, juski, I'll give that a try...

[08:19:11]

sunset06:

got back about 60 OKs:

[08:19:14]

sunset06:

mythconverg.videotypes OK

[08:19:55]

sunset06:

I installed frontend on my notebook, and can connect to the backend's database OK,

[08:20:22]

juski:

mythtv shouldn't make X crash – which is what's happening in your case

[08:20:25]

sunset06:

ie I see the previously recorded items under recordings menu.

[08:21:19]

juski:

if X crashes, something is very very wrong. you recently installed compiz/beryl ?

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sunset06:

compiz has been installed, but not set as active for a long time

[08:22:38]

juski:

since you're running FC, my first line of suspects would revolve around automatic updates breaking stuff

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sunset06:

I'm on fedora kernel 2.6.20 and thinking it might be related:

[08:23:06]

juski:

especially with X crashing like that

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Hugolp:

juski: do you know any pci card with more than 2 dvb-t turners?

[08:23:19]

juski:

Hugolp: nope

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juski:

no such thing AFAIK

[08:23:27]

sunset06:

booted kernel-2.6.20–1.2944.fc6 rather than 2948

[08:24:14]

juski:

sunset06: horror stories like yours are one reason why I've never even entertained the idea of FC

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Hugolp:

ok, and I once knew about a ethernet tv turner but cant remember the name or the web. Do you know it?

[08:24:55]

juski:

Hugolp: HDHomerun, but it's not for Europe

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Hugolp:

juski: thanks

[08:26:14]

sunset06:

A place in Melb/AU has a dual dvb-t plus analog tuner

[08:26:20]

sunset06:

card, but that doesn't fit the bill.

[08:26:24]

juski:

more damn idiots wanting to use mythtv as a vcr..

[08:26:39]

juski:

sunset06: hybrid cards are poo

[08:27:13]

sunset06:

thanks for the warning , I was thinking about getting it/

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juski:

a lot like hybrid _cars_ :-P

[08:27:34]

juski:

sound like a great idea, but not when it comes down to it

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sunset06:

Do u know 4sure if mythfrond {and mythsetup) are designed to restart X

[08:28:38]

sunset06:

when something goes wrong ?

[08:28:46]

Hugolp:

Why would you want analog turner right now? analog closes in two years

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adante_:

so

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hads:

Erm. No sunset06

[08:29:12]

adante_:

whenever i try to view recordings on mythweb now, my backend goes into a spinlock and starts eating ram madly

[08:29:27]

Hugolp:

juski: the HDHomerun looks really good, bad news theres nothing like that for europe

[08:29:32]

adante_:

i get a few of these:

[08:29:33]

adante_:

2007-05–20 18:37:24.651 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND begin cnt(9400) free(5575)

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adante_:

2007-05–20 18:37:24.651 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND begin cnt(9400) free(55752007-05–20 18:37:24.897 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND end

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sunset06:

im probably going to lose the connection as I try logging mythfrontend start up ...

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juski:

sunset06: why would mythfrontend be desinged to restart X? anything making X crash isn't mythtv's fault

[08:35:55]

** ectospasm is away: Gonesleeping **

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sunset06:

Hi, back again. Strangely, when frontend > frontend.log forntend started, got gui,

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sunset06:

but the gui was only in abou t16 colors, so looked quite bad.

[08:45:00]

juski:

sounds like your VGA drivers are broken

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sunset06:

I went to setup selected a diff theme: eg default, then back to gant, and went through the nexts, finish.

[08:45:16]

sunset06:

At the moment I hit finish, I was logged out of X.

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juski:

sounds like a problem with VGA drivers

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juski:

look in the X log

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sunset06:

I'll try going with a non-accelerated nvidia, and the plain X then to see if any diff.

[08:46:52]

sunset06:

Um, I can use xine or mplayer to playback myth recorded streams, without any problems.

[08:47:33]

juski:

still sounds like a problem with VGA drivers.. or you're secretly using a composite desktop

[08:48:39]

juski:

compiz really doesn't like mythtv

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sunset06:

OK thanks, I'm going to irc from my notebook : be back soon...

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sunset06:

Hi, {mythfrontend wont start problem}: I removed compiz/beryl – 2 b sure.

[09:48:46]

sunset06:

I tried starting mythbackend from VT1, OK. then logged in as normal and ran mythfrontend.

[09:50:16]

sunset06:

I had also erased my xorg.conf and ran setup to get a fresh one. Current state is I see this limited colors version of the frontend interface, but it is running really slowly – eg key down to menu item takes maybe three seconds.

[09:50:44]

sunset06:

Changing to a different workspace shows Xorg doing 99.5% usage.

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directhex:

you're probably using the opengl painter and have no 3d support

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sunset06:

OK, I did see that setting, I switch to the alternate.

[09:52:55]

sunset06:

I can see it fading the weird colours in out as I change the menu...

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directhex:

then it's using the opengl painter

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directhex:

frontend needs a restart after changing that, BTW

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sunset06:

OK, since it takes so long at the moment: theme-GANT, paint e=Qt {now} Qtsylte Desktop, deafult, deafult

[09:54:59]

directhex:

the bigger issue is you don't have 3d support, which suggests your xorg.conf is generally shafted

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sunset06:

K, with those changes, keyboard -> action is more responsive, but I still get an X restart when try to Watch TV

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sunset06:

So, I will uninstall the nvidia driver rpm, restart, reinstall it, and see how I go.

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directhex:

you don't have the nvidia driver installed

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directhex:

trust me, your graphics driver installation is shot. that's why it's behaving in a broken manner

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sunset06:

will a reasonable test by to run glxgears ?

[10:12:03]

directhex:

glxgears is a fillrate test. first test is "glxinfo | grep direct"

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directhex:

but yes, glxgears will give you a basic idea of whether Gl works. a framerate of less than about 800 means "no"

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sunset06:

My notebook gets about 850 intel x45 chipset, and the frontend is OK on it, just waiting for the reboot.

[10:14:53]

directhex:

what reboot?

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sunset06:

Its my other machine where the problem is {im using dkms and freshrpms nvidia packaging}

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sunset06:

directhex: direct rendering: No

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sunset06:

OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect

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sunset06:

This is with the xorg nvidia drv. I haven't had to "play nvidia" for a while, and I must be forgetting something.

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directhex:

direct rendering: Yes

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directhex:

OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 7600 GT/PCI/SSE2

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sunset06:

I need to read up on whether current fc6 kernel is happy with current nvidia driver... back in a while...

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juski:

how many times did I say X was crashing due to a driver issue?

[10:27:10]

juski:

hey it's fine don't listen to me :)

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juski:

I'm just a poor themer

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directhex:

juski, it r teh finez0r!

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juski:

wot r teh finez0r ?

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directhex:

teh drivaar!

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juski:

bah teh drivaar r teh suck!

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hads:

Looks like encoder state isn't published through the backend :(

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directhex:

no wai!

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** juski deletes 'Elephants Dream'. rubbish **

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juski:

open source plotlines aren't up to much

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directhex:

but it's HD!

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purserj:

meh, it was meant to be a show piece, not a block buster

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hads:

Exactly

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sunset06:

direct rendering: Yes

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directhex:

juski, could be worse. the usual approach to open source media is to take something popular, run the plot and jokes through babelfish a few times, replace all the characters with penguins, and include "foo" in the title

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juski:

directhex: heh

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sunset06:

OpenGL renderer string: GeForce FX 5600/AGP/SSE/3DNOW!

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directhex:

juski, i hope you call your next theme "footheme", just for me ;)

[10:41:59]

juski:

I wasn't expecting a blockbuster.. thought it might at least have _some_ substance to it. anyway...

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directhex:

time for teh ecksbox!

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purserj:

directhex: which media to which do you refer?

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hads:

Duh, I can access that with recgroup, yay!

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juski:

directhex: anyway, what 'next theme' ?

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juski:

until I see another UI worth ripping off there's not gonna be any more

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sunset06:

OK, many thanks juski and directhex (and anotherbody); mythfrontend is rocking along now :)

[10:52:20]

juski:

feel free to get a 2nd or 3rd (or even 4th) opinion whenever you don't trust my judgment :)

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sunset06:

I wasn't discounting you ;), I just wanted a way to test it ... I think my attempts to get myth working again had actually stopped the nvidia driver working normally.

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juski:

yeah well FWIW I'd be disabling automagical updates if I were you aswell

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sunset06:

In fact I think it was using the nvidia settings to activate the TV-output and trying to set it as cloned when I first noticed frontend wasnt working

[10:59:54]

sunset06:

If I posted the most recent changes about 100 lines of yum.log here with a request to ask if someone can see possibilities, would that be against "da rulz" ?

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hads:

You don't post things here

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hads:

In a pastebin would be fine although this is for mythtv help, not Fedora.

[11:03:00]

juski:

yum install ubuntu!

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purserj:

win 29

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sunset06:

I guess that;s what I;m getting at: is this a fedora update problem, or did a foo something my self.

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gardengnome:

re

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juski:

sunset06: just don't let automatic updates happen. you can get locked into dependency hell very quickly

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juski:

wb gardengnome

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gardengnome:

heya juski

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juski:

you should be ok if the box isn't directly exposed to the intarwebs anyway

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sunset06:

juski: yes, I would agree {if it aint broke – dont let someone else "fix" it}.

[11:07:38]

sunset06:

Just in case someone is bore and wanted to point blame on a certain fc6 update:

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sunset06:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~timmsy/yum.log.shortened.txt

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juski:

kernel updates without following them up with reinstalling binary nvidia drivers can be responsible for a lot of issues

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sunset06:

I'm using the dkms dynamic kernel module support version of the nvidia rpm packages. Since about a year, this has worked flawlessly with every kernel and nvidia driver upgrade – without me doing anything {ie back to fc5}.

[11:10:03]

juski:

heheh until now you mean

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sunset06:

:-P

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juski:

if stuff just works (tm) I'm a strong believer in leaving it the f. alone

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sunset06:

Umm, was that a random though re kernel / compile, or did you take a look at the yum log ?

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juski:

it wasn't a random thought & no I didn't take a look in the log

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gardengnome:

juski: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3470 ;)

[11:11:58]

juski:

just saying you should reinstall binary vga card drivers after messing wit da kernel innit

[11:12:32]

juski:

omfg. it's the beginning of the end!

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hads:

Interesting

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juski:

how long before that gets slashdotted?

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gardengnome:

submit it ;)

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gardengnome:

juski: video playback isn't working yet

[11:18:43]

juski:

ah so the age-old "almost working" :-P

[11:18:56]

juski:

I don't want mythtv to work in windows.. ever

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gardengnome:

juski: backend is working, though :)

[11:20:26]

juski:

call me a pessimist but can you begin to imagine what life here will be like once it becomes well known?

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gardengnome:

i might need to upgrade RAM in mythwiki.de. my ignore list might get better ;)

[11:21:39]

gardengnome:

j/k. i don't expect many noobs because of that. they'll have to make the backend work first

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juski:

should be the other way around really

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juski:

have to make it work in linux, then play with a windows f/e

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juski:

muhahahaha

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gardengnome:

yep

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gardengnome:

mythbackend on windows isn't that useful

[11:25:38]

gardengnome:

except for dbox2 support :>

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juski:

can't see dbox2 support being better in windows somehow

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gardengnome:

me neither

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juski:

I've started talking my wife into letting me sell ours

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gardengnome:

premiere changed their encryption scheme. $bad_software won't work anymore. now i won't get as much for my dbox2 anymore when i sell it on ebay :(

[11:29:12]

juski:

if only virgin media had webpages on their STB

[11:31:12]

juski:

gardengnome: you know when you gave up nicotine, did you suffer from real bad flatulence at any point during the detox?

[11:32:04]

gardengnome:

is that a trick question?

[11:32:14]

juski:

no

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gardengnome:

um

[11:32:27]

gardengnome:

nothing that wasn_'t realted to doner kebab.

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juski:

heheh ok

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juski:

musta just been what I ate then

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gardengnome:

fyi, the "detox" part only last a few days. most things after that are purely psychological

[11:33:45]

juski:

like the waking up at 3am craving nicotine I'm currently experiencing?

[11:34:08]

juski:

my wife is hiding her cigs – good thing too!

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gardengnome:

that's normal.

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** directhex will try a windows build of mythfrontend later **

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** hads doesn't have a Windows box to build on and is happy **

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directhex:

juski, i wasn't intending to, i just want the missus to be able to watch her shows without things like mythtvplayeruithingymajig

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** juski gets in the mix with some 80s choonage **

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briand:

juski: how long, so far?

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juski:

cig-free? bout 19 days

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juski:

tick tock

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briand:

congrats! that's great

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juski:

cheers :)

[12:53:59]

juski:

haven't killed anybody yet

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briand:

i used the patch, years back, and remember having these vivid dreams about getting caught sneaking a puff

[12:54:58]

briand:

the mind plays all sorts of tricks, I guess

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juski:

yeah those are the worst dreams. next to the ones about smoking anyway

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kemik:

how do i disable the x screensaver or powersaving functions of the graphics card? (xset s off, doesnt really work, after some idle time the screen goes blank)

[12:55:42]

briand:

disable screen power management

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kemik:

yes, that's fairly obvious, but how? D:

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kemik:

O_o

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juski:

mmm yazz into yazoo :)

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briand:

Upstairs At Eric's

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briand:

kemik: under gnome, it should be System | Preferences | More Preferences | Power Management

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briand:

move the screen slider over to "Never"

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kemik:

no gnome, only X :C

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kemik:

i'll continue to abuse google

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briand:

juski: was it yazz -> yazoo, or yazoo -> yaz(z)

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briand:

I bought the album "Upstairs At Eric's" under the names "Yazoo" and "Yaz", and (I think) I've seen 'Yazz' as well.

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juski:

briand: yazz -> yazoo

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briand:

ah, okay... makes sense. I think we started playing that album at our college radio station, as 'Yaz' in '81 ... they didn't hit commercial success with it until '82.

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juski:

frankie – relax .. into s'express

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briand:

yes.. here it is. Yaz, charted '82 (Situation) ...says "first pressing credit artist as: YAZOO". Second (and final) chart was Only You in '83. Clarke then formed Erasure and Moyet went solo

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juski:

using 'don't go' here

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briand:

Yazz (two z's): Yazz and the Plastic Population — male/female techo dance duo. Charted once in '88 with "The Only Way Is Up"

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briand:

... not related to Yaz/Yazoo

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juski:

hahahahahahahaaaaaaaa.. into the SAW era now

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juski:

oh man the guys who made 12" edits couldn't edit on the beat to save their lives!

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TSCHAK:

heheh

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juski:

thank $deity for NLE

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TSCHAK:

juski, well it was much harder back then... splice tape and razor blades hehe

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TSCHAK:

:-)

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briand:

pfft. not harder, just different. :)

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TSCHAK:

(been there, done that, been tangled in tape, no more)

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TSCHAK:

:-P

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** briand is from the old-school radio production days with splice blocks and razor blades **

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TSCHAK:

the very first studio of my own was entirely digital, built it in '88.

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juski:

even with razors I can edit without losing a beat.. or I could back in '88

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juski:

had to cut an edition of Rick Dees' Weekly top 40 together on a works experience

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briand:

I remember when our station ditched the old vinyl SFX and BKG libraries and bought new on CD-ROM

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TSCHAK:

totally guerrilla mixing, onto a NeXTStation, dumped to MO disks.

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juski:

S2: yes it's possible somehow. requires a microcontroller with some intelligence. and a user with the same

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TSCHAK:

and through the MusicKit, I found CSOUND, MaX and the SynthBuilder... mmmmmmm :-)

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briand:

i've done it without the microcontroller, a few times...

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briand:

you use the remote to physically push the power button on the mythtv box...

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** briand ducks. **

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juski:

briand: great example of seriously bad editing.. Donna Allen – Serious 12"

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** TSCHAK throws on a 12" from way way left field – EBN/OZN .. AEIOU SOMETIMES Y **

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TSCHAK:

:-D

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briand:

you could toss the remote *at* the keyboard, possibly hitting the spacebar...

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briand:

;)

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TSCHAK:

you could use the force

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TSCHAK:

or do that thing they did in scanners

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TSCHAK:

:-P

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** TSCHAK vibrates his head **

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briand:

TSCHAK: I think I have that vinyl, in the 'vault' in my parent's house (where most of my vinyl resides, 1800 miles from here)

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** juski points his index finger at somebody's forehead again **

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juski:

and starts to draw a line...

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** TSCHAK falls over dead **

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S2:

but if i have an usb ir receiver, and in s3 the usb receiver is powered, maybe he can somehow generate an irq to wakeup the pc

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S2:

no?

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juski:

S2: maybe, but I suspect not

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S2:

i could connect it somehow to the wol socket on the mobo

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juski:

oh god no

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S2:

no?

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juski:

NO

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S2:

why?

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TSCHAK:

a sudden she gets up and says.....she says, HEY, I really gotta LEAVE.... DAAMN!"

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juski:

well, let me just say go ahead if you want to screw your remote receiver and/or motherboard

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juski:

TSCHAK: that's what happens when you waste time :-P

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S2:

the wol connector wakes up the pc when he gets +5v on one of the pins

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TSCHAK:

that's the ... 'first verse'

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TSCHAK:

hehe

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juski:

S2: you really don't wanna go there

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S2:

juski: you talk like you know something i don't know. what is it?

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S2:

)

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S2:

:)

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juski:

S2: you need a microcontroller or something, some intelligence on there

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TSCHAK:

yeah, just wire up a basic stamp

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briand:

S2: it's this: once the motherboard goes "zzzzzzzppttzzzztttt!!", it doesn't work very well.

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S2:

briand: yeah. you are very helpful.

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TSCHAK:

blue smoke let out of motherboard, motherboard no work no more.

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briand:

it all runs on what is known as "magic smoke". If you let the magic smoke out, it stops working.

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S2:

TSCHAK: thanks. i didn't know that.

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** briand nods at TSCHAK **

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TSCHAK:

the smoke is holy.

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directhex:

i lost my magic smoke more than once :(

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juski:

S2: the data lines on the USB port are likely to be useless for the application you're looking at

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TSCHAK:

S2, really, look into using a Basic Stamp for this.

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juski:

what you need is a micro looking for the right IR signals, then it'll wiggle the WOL header or the power button of your motherboard

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juski:

like the xbox remote wakeup thingies do

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briand:

don't even need anything as big/bulky as a basic stamp... a little 8051 uController, scrapped from an old keyboard will do the trick

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juski:

http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/2/xir/xirpic.gif

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TSCHAK:

true

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TSCHAK:

an 8051 would work too

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juski:

adapt it to run off 5V & you're away

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briand:

that's the sweet bit — 8051 already runs on 5V

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S2:

hmmm

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briand:

even an 8048 would do, if you can find one (and the cross-compiler for it).

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directhex:

is protocol 34 still current?

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TSCHAK:

dasm can output 8048

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TSCHAK:

but finding the chip is gonna be a bugger

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** briand has a box of 'em in the closet **

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SirronTM:

Can anyone tell me how to adjust the minimum signal strength for MythTV?

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TSCHAK:

unless you can find a couple of Odyssey2's

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TSCHAK:

heheh

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juski:

S2: or just get off yo ass & buy an Imon remote

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TSCHAK:

:-)

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briand:

true.. imon has already done the hard work for ya...

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briand:

as long as your power supply has an 'always on' 5V rail

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** TSCHAK has a zalman hd160.. already has a wake up remote :-) **

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** TSCHAK has a box of SIDs he really needs to turn into a synth... **

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TSCHAK:

(oh well, that's for next year) :-P

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TSCHAK:

yp

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TSCHAK:

hehe

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TSCHAK:

:-)

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S2:

juski: cool. thanks

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briand:

yep.

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** TSCHAK was rather partial to the 6502 myself :-D **

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briand:

really? hmm.

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juski:

lol.. a 40 pin DIP is a bit excessive just to act as a dumb remote receiver

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S2:

no. that's not needed

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briand:

i worked with the guy who (literally!) wrote the book on 6502 programming!

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S2:

my mobo can wakeup from s3 with the remote

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S2:

i have an asus m2n

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S2:

and it comes with a remote

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briand:

Lary Myers was on the development team at the first software company I worked at

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S2:

and it wakes up the pc from s3 under windows

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directhex:

http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/hmv_manhunt.jpg

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S2:

so it has to work with linux somehow

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S2:

no additional harware required

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TSCHAK:

briand, cool :-)

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briand:

...in fact, it was he that first taught me C programming (I was already programming in Turbo Pascal)

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TSCHAK:

cool

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briand:

i wonder what he's doing these days...

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briand:

TSCHAK: he and another of our old programmers, Paul DiNovo, wrote/built an HDD controller for the RS Model I.. and ran a 4-line dial-up BBS on it!

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juski:

god I wish Sony Vegas could use libsoundtouch

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TSCHAK:

very nice :-) I still have a working Model I, 48K, expansion interface... 4 Percom disks (repackaged Shugart mechs..garage door handles, lead screws)

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juski:

one of the only examples I know of open source totally pwning commercial software.. decent time mangling :)

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TSCHAK:

. o O (they just don't make computer stuff that rugged anymore for consumers) :-P

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S2:

ntroducing DH Remote™, a convenient PC remote controller that gives users unprecedented control over their PCs from the comfort of their couches.

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TSCHAK:

juski, i am a heavy Ardour user these days. I love it.

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S2:

With the touch of a button, users can quickly power their PCs on/off....

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juski:

S2: it's called the power switch :D

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TSCHAK:

but it's not even that anymore

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TSCHAK:

it's the power suggestion switch under ACPI

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TSCHAK:

:-P

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TSCHAK:

"Attention ACPI controller, the user has SUGGESTED that they want the PC to be powered up, could you be a good boy and get going?"

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TSCHAK:

"No, I'm hung over from a bad hibernate, piss off." :-P

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S2:

jes. it's the power switch. but it's on the remote.

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S2:

yes

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S2:

there are even drivers for lirc

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S2:

for that remote

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nipuL:

i've followed all the instructions, but i get no sound on livetv unless i unmute the line in (but then audio is out of sync)

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** TSCHAK remembers the days of yore, when the power switch was a BIG HONKIN RED FLAP DIRECTLY BOLTED ONTO THE POWER SUPPLY) :-P **

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S2:

the divco

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S2:

havo to look into it

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** directhex bolts a BIG HONKIN RED FLAP DIRECTLY BOLTED ONTO TSCHAK **

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** briand flips it to the OFF position, just for laughs **

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** briand flips it back on **

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briand:

...the lights dim..

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** briand remembers the days of yore, when you had to POKE values into RAM to do low-level HDD formatting **

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juski:

nipuL: so you don't know where the official docs live then

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juski:

www.mythtv.org

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juski:

see the section on setting up audio

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TSCHAK:

:-)

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** TSCHAK has the THX-1138 soundtrack playing in the background **

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** briand has SIRIUS Big 80's playing in the background. **

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juski:

ironic nick anyway, nipuL

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briand:

o/~ Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore ... is not in this bit.

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juski:

and erm.. wth is the point asking for help if you don't reply to people who suggest stuff? I dunno why you bothered :)

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S2:

I have a hauppauge remote working :)

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Driverx:

I found the above mentioned thread yesterday which got the remote working but it's not working today

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Driverx:

Did it work out of the box?

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Driverx:

does my messed up up post make sense yet?

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S2:

Driverx: keyboard emulation worked out of the box

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S2:

to make the keys work with lirc i had to configure lirc. i followed wilsons guide

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S2:

willson

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Driverx:

Do you have a link/

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Driverx:

I'm an IRC and a Mythtv noob

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S2:

*but* on willsons guide the lircd.conf file does not work

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S2:

because the mappings of the keys changed in recent kernels

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S2:

so i had to google to find another one

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S2:

and thet worked

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Driverx:

google on key mappings for the kernel being used?

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S2:

not for the kernel

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S2:

for lirc

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Driverx:

ok

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S2:

depending on what remote you have ymmv

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Driverx:

Not sure what the actual model is...

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S2:

you have to look that up

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Driverx:

S2: I'm looking at a howto for the hauppauge – looks like I can simply edit my ~/.mythtv/lircrc file – is that basically what you did?

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Driverx:

It's in the Gentoo wiki

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Driverx:

It seems to be the same 'grey' remote

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S2:

the mythtv lirc file maps the keys to lirc functions

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S2:

you need to get a working /etc/lirc/lircd.conf file first

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Driverx:

I'm pretty inexperienced when it comes to editing some of these files.

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S2:

Driverx: i am not going to build a mythtv box for you :)

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Driverx:

How do I know if the /etc/lirc/lircd.conf is good to go

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juski:

this is hilarious but everybody's inexperienced until they've got experience!

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Driverx:

No.. just need some direction

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S2:

maybe someone else is (for the right pay) :)

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juski:

Driverx: irw tells you all you need to know

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juski:

you run irw & pressy buttons on the remote

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juski:

if all the buttons produce output that corresponds with the button.. you're good :)

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juski:

!rocket science :)

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Driverx:

It is to me at this point LOL

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Driverx:

appreciate the tips

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TSCHAK:

i need about 50

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TSCHAK:

all strung on the eSATA port :-P

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TSCHAK:

"Daddy, why does our garage sound like an oil refinery?"

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directhex:

"because, son, HD porn takes a lot of space"?

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TSCHAK:

hahahaha

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TSCHAK:

:-

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TSCHAK:

I was considering using Jungledisk at one point to back up episodes I wanted to keep

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TSCHAK:

:-P

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TSCHAK:

amazon S3, storing transactions, databases, e-commerce trackbacks, and MYTHTV EPISODES FOR BOB

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TSCHAK:

:-P

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juski:

TSCHAK: you do know that you can only have 5 sata HDDs per esata port dontcha

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juski:

with help from a port multiplier..

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juski:

it's not like USB :-P

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directhex:

quick! break out the 4x4-port sas controllers!

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directhex:

they're a bit like 750gb disks

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directhex:

but 33% bigger

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directhex:

that's the rumour

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Fnc:

440 bux or so

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directhex:

personally i'm dying for disks to hit >2TiB

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directhex:

so 2.5Tb or so

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TSCHAK:

I want SSD disks to become cheaper

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TSCHAK:

so I can use one as a system drive

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Fnc:

ssd?

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juuva:

Guess I'm running out of power.. 6 disk might be too much

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TSCHAK:

Solid State Disk

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Fnc:

solid state

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directhex:

i run an 8-drive raid5 array

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TSCHAK:

I have used Quantum Rushmores in servers for qmail mail queues

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TSCHAK:

and man were they fast

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Fnc:

im working on getting a 16port raid 5

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juski:

damn. only made it to vigilante level 38

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TSCHAK:

???

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** TSCHAK plays some MAMEage **

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netrix:

anyone know how to set the A/V offset for xine permanently?

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netrix:

i dont see an option in .xine/config for it. :(

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gardengnome:

ah, juski is preparing for LRL

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gardengnome:

i want a playstation 2 but they're still to darn expensive.

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Hugolp:

gardengnome how come expensive? you can get one for 80 euros

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gardengnome:

Hugolp: they can be had new for 120€ here. i'm not sure if i want to get one off ebay

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gardengnome:

greasy gamer fingers :'(

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Hugolp:

hahaha

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esperegu:

saluton.

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esperegu:

i get these errors:

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SpaceBassLaptop:

hey folks

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SpaceBassLaptop:

I'm trying to install backend on ubuntu feisty server and running into errors

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SpaceBassLaptop:

my mysql server was already setup and I had a root password... so I changed /etc/myth/mysql.txt to reflect the username of root and my password

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SpaceBassLaptop:

but when I try and start the backend i get: 2007-05–20 11:53:28.051 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.

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Dagmar:

Wrong directory name

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SpaceBassLaptop:

sorry /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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Dagmar:

...and I'm sure it says more than just that one line

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SpaceBassLaptop:

didnt want to flood

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SpaceBassLaptop:

leme paste bin it

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esperegu:

2007-05–19 19:30:02.848 TVRec(1): Changing from None to RecordingOnly

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esperegu:

2007-05–19 19:30:02.852 TVRec(1): HW Tuner: 1->1

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esperegu:

2007-05–19 19:30:02.893 Channel(/dev/pvr500–0): SetInputAndFormat() failed

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esperegu:

2007-05–19 19:30:02.894 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 5. Reverting to kState_None

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esperegu:

2007-05–19 19:30:02.895 TVRec(1): Changing from RecordingOnly to None

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Dagmar:

Use pastebin.ca or pastbin.com (whichever is working)

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Dagmar:

What the hell is /dev/pvr500–0?

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esperegu:

but I can watch life recordings

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SpaceBassLaptop:

http://www.pastebin.ca/498632

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esperegu:

Dagmar: thats my card

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Dagmar:

WHY did you go out of your way to break things

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SpaceBassLaptop:

me?

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Dagmar:

No, esperegu

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esperegu:

Dagmar: I had to specify it this way to prevent the cards of being mixed up

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Dagmar:

SpaceBassLaptop: You somehow missed instalking the sql plugin for qt

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SpaceBassLaptop:

hummm

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esperegu:

and someone here advised me to name them

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Dagmar:

libqt-sql-client or something like that the package is called

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Dagmar:

esperegu: How many pvr-500's do you have?

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esperegu:

1 and one 7134 card

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SpaceBassLaptop:

Dagmar, I found libqt4-sql

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SpaceBassLaptop:

installing now

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Dagmar:

SpaceBassLaptop: That can't be it as I'm pretty sure this doesn't work with qt4

[16:01:49]

SpaceBassLaptop:

oh

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SpaceBassLaptop:

too old or too new?

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esperegu:

Dagmar: but life tv works without a problem (can watch on 3 pc's simultaniously)

[16:02:11]

Dagmar:

Not supported at all, actually. Afaik this only works with qt3

[16:02:35]

SpaceBassLaptop:

trying to reinstall

[16:03:12]

Dagmar:

SpaceBassLaptop: Basically you need the package that provides

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Dagmar:

er libqsqlmysql.so

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Dagmar:

SpaceBassLaptop: That's pretty much _always_ the cause of "No error type from QSqlError? Strange..."

[16:03:57]

SpaceBassLaptop:

gotcha... thanks

[16:04:01]

SpaceBassLaptop:

looking for the proper package now

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Dagmar:

You're using a debian-based installation, right>?

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esperegu:

Dagmar: u have any id for my problem?

[16:04:55]

Dagmar:

No, I don't

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Dagmar:

...other than maybe undo the last change you made

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SpaceBassLaptop:

Dagmar, yeah

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esperegu:

made multiple.. donno what is the last actually :-(

[16:07:45]

Dagmar:

SpaceBassLaptop: I *think* it might just be called qt-mysql or qt-mysql-devel

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SpaceBassLaptop:

hummm

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SpaceBassLaptop:

that didn't do it, but its fodder for google

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Dagmar:

Possibly libqt-mysql

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SpaceBassLaptop:

tried that too

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Dagmar:

Ugh I'll have to remind Beirdo there's an error in his FAQ when I next see him

[16:09:46]

Dagmar:

Well, there's a -what-provides like function in apt

[16:09:49]

Dagmar:

I just don't know what it is

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SpaceBassLaptop:

lol....google is not my friend today

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Dagmar:

Google how to use the package repo query functions

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SpaceBassLaptop:

Dagmar, find /usr /opt -name libqsqlmysql.so 2>/dev/null

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SpaceBassLaptop:

/usr/lib/qt3/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so

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SpaceBassLaptop:

looks like I do have it

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Dagmar:

Crap that is *not* good

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Dagmar:

It's altogether possible thst something really retarded is going on then

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Dagmar:

I really really hesitate to say this, but *try* putting "/usr/lib/qt3/plugins/sqldrivers/" into /etc/ld.so.conf and running ldconfig as root

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Dagmar:

It should NOT be necessary to do that

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Dagmar:

...but something has broken the qt installation's ability to dlopen/load the plugin library

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Dagmar:

Unless maybe you did actually install the rest as qt4, which would explain things

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juski:

gardengnome: preparing for LRL? mwahahahahaha

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juski:

Radio One's One Big Weekend has been sounding pretty damn impressive on my stereo just now :)

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SpaceBassLaptop:

Dagmar, what about this: Unknown database 'mythconverg'

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Dagmar:

SpaceBassLaptop: That would be you having omitted the step where you feed mc.sql to the database to create the mythconverg table

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SpaceBassLaptop:

Dagmar, importing the mc.sql made a difference

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SpaceBassLaptop:

http://www.pastebin.ca/498693

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Dagmar:

Okay, so as per LInux's usual behaviour, it's told you what to do to fix it

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Dagmar:

Run `mythtv-setup` now

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juski:

damn users trying to be smart

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Dagmar:

You shouldn't need the -Y

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juski:

muh don't want X

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SpaceBassLaptop:

and it asks if I want to run mythfilldatabase ... so I say yes

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SpaceBassLaptop:

and it fails

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Dagmar:

It will until you set the zap2it credentials in mythtv-setup

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geoffeg:

So my audio when watching MythTV live is about 2 seconds ahead of the video. NTSC, pcHDTV 5500, no problem when using xawtv. Any suggestions?

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juski:

geoffeg: yes. you're in framegrabber mode, not hdtv. and for that you need to mute the line input of your soundcard & set it to be captured instead

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juski:

see the docs!!!

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juski:

the configuring audio section will reveal all!

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SpaceBassLaptop:

hummm ok...so I have to run mythtv-setup to set the credentials, but setup is failing b/c of the credentials?

[16:51:30]

juski:

hmm I see it's !rtfm weekend yet again :-|

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geoffeg:

juski: I haven't been able to get the HDTV portion of my card to tune any stations from my Cable provider (via QAM) so I'm using good ole NTSC for now.

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SpaceBassLaptop:

http://www.pastebin.ca/498703

[16:55:12]

SpaceBassLaptop:

I guess I what I dont get is that setup fails saying "run setup"

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Dagmar:

Until you've successfully run mythtv-setup, just _stop_ trying to start the backend

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SpaceBassLaptop:

I'm not trying to start it, mythtv-setup is

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SpaceBassLaptop:

2007-05–20 12:59:31.366 Current Schema Version: 1160

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SpaceBassLaptop:

Segmentation fault

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SpaceBassLaptop:

Restarting MythTV server: mythbackend No /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed

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SpaceBassLaptop:

im guessing the seg fault is the problem

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SpaceBassLaptop:

but i dont know how to get more verbosity

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sebrock:

maybe a bit offtopic but is it possible to share a DVD-burner over NFS? (and actually use it to burn)

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gbee:

no

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sebrock:

shit, what is the limit?

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sebrock:

ie why not?

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mariominati:

nfs only offers a way to remotely access a filesystem not a blockdevice

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sebrock:

is it possible using another protocol?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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sebrock:

guess I have to go with the old X then

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GreyFoxx:

The network filesystems don't allow you to send signals directly to the device itdself

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sebrock:

I see

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sebrock:

no workarounds for this then? Like a buffer then burn

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juski:

is there a way i can escape all these silly questions?

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juski:

oh yeah

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GreyFoxx:

sebrock: No, unless you write your own kernel modules/drivers

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sebrock:

I'll start right away

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sebrock:

juski is one sad man...

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Nik_Doof:

i've got

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Nik_Doof:

hey guys, i've got a issue with some channels, they show partial lock in myth with various Program not found in PMT errors, but they play fine if i use dvbstream, any idea how i can sort these?

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juski:

Enoscreen

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juski:

sebrock: if you're going to make comments about me at least have the balls to do it to my face

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sebrock:

juski is one sad man...

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juski:

fecking retard

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sebrock:

yawn

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juski:

svn export /usr/share/mythtv/themes/neon-wide

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juski:

arse

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juski:

okay okay the very sad man has just updated neon-wide incase anybody is interested. more shiny shiny :)

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GreyFoxx:

mmm shiny

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GreyFoxx:

when I move, first thing I'm buying for the new place is awidescreen projector

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juski:

still looking fwd to buying my new monitor next month or so

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juski:

tempting to wait another month or 2 & just buy a 3" LCD but nah

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juski:

32" LCD even

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juuva:

GreyFoxx: got vlc-streaming to wiki?

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GreyFoxx:

juuva: Just going through and redoing it from scratch and making some notes

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juuva:

nice.. just got radio streaming here (though that wasn't what I expected)

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GreyFoxx:

Man this is pretty cool.

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Nik_Doof:

how can i change the default tuner that live TV uses?

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GreyFoxx:

here is no such setting

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GreyFoxx:

It will use the first available tuner, I think it's just based on the tunerid in the database and either increments or decrements through the list until it finds one that not in use

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Nik_Doof:

mmm, so i'd have to re-order my cards in the config to make it use the required one first?

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Nik_Doof:

ahh ok :)

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mariominati:

myth uses the first one

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mariominati:

first one means first in the setup

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mariominati:

changing it in the db is dangerous

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mariominati:

better delete alls cards and readd them

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GreyFoxx:

it's done by id so the order they were added is important. I've always seen it use the last one added

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xris:

GreyFoxx: I know that in svn, the tuner priority stuff works. dunno if that was in .20 or not

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GreyFoxx:

xris: in svn it certainly works for scheduled recordings

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GreyFoxx:

It's handy to keep the digital cable stuff as prioritized over the analog tuners

[18:56:06]

Tanthrix:

GreyFoxx: You have an A180, correct?

[18:56:19]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[18:56:39]

Tanthrix:

I just ordered one for with my new system via newegg for $69.99 open box

[18:56:46]

GreyFoxx:

nice :)

[18:56:55]

Tanthrix:

Aye – thanks for letting me know about it

[18:57:28]

Tanthrix:

I'm curious about what I'm going to be able to pick up with it

[18:57:51]

Tanthrix:

My TV has a QAM tuner but doesn't seem to get much, despite the fact nearly all my channels are unencrypted

[18:58:30]

xris:

Tanthrix: I have the same thing on mine.. although I see them all as encrypted.. firewire just lets them through

[18:59:08]

Tanthrix:

So it's likely then that I won't be able to get much?

[18:59:30]

Tanthrix:

(Other than the OTA stuff that my TV can get, of course)

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xris:

Tanthrix: not if your tv can't, no.

[19:00:02]

Tanthrix:

I was hoping my TV was just being buggy

[19:00:35]

Tanthrix:

Also, the TV manual says that it can't tune channels above 125, so I am curious if that means I'll get more with the tuner

[19:00:59]

Tanthrix:

I checked me 7xx HD channels and the ones I did check were in the frequency range that the A180 can pick up

[19:01:39]

xris:

Tanthrix: might work, then

[19:01:47]

Tanthrix:

One can hope ;)

[19:02:30]

Tanthrix:

My firewire setup has been a lot more stable lately which has been nice, so this is not completely necessary

[19:03:07]

Tanthrix:

But I still can't record PBS or NBC due to the STB thinking that they are encrypted

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Tanthrix:

So, I'll be content if I can get all OTA stuff, rock solid reliably, including PBS and NBC (which my TV can get)

[19:04:35]

darkfrog:

Is there any plugins that support the Watch Now feature of Netflix?

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xris:

not that I know of

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juski:

there is not any plugins what support that feature

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xris:

I assume there's some sort of DRM involved, so it's unlikely mythtv will ever get it.

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KFR:

hi

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xris:

KFR: you need more than just a driver.

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Tanthrix:

KFR: Mandrive should include mysql in their packages

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KFR:

Tanthrix, yes, i installed mysql but i cant found libsqlmysql.o in lib/qt3/plugin/sqldriver. think i need QMYSQL driver. but cant find it for Mandriva

[19:30:01]

atrus:

is there documentation somewhere of what sound output methods mythtv supports?

[19:30:52]

xris:

KFR: it's probably a package called something like qt-mysql

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SpaceBass:

has anyone installed backend on Ubuntu Feisty?

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juski:

yes it took about 5 minutes

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SpaceBass:

juski, no problems?

[19:32:42]

SpaceBass:

I've tried two boxes...both are giving me issues

[19:32:51]

juski:

no problems if you follow the community docs and / or the onscreen help messages

[19:33:05]

SpaceBass:

tried following the docs on the ubuntu launchpad

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juski:

it's pretty damn hard to go wrong with Feisty's packages

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juski:

so well done!

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SpaceBass:

thanks

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SpaceBass:

makes me fell sooo much better

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KFR:

atrus, only libqtsql4–4.1.4–12mdv2007.0.i586.rpm was in my Mandriva distrib, but it for qt4. On the net i cant find QMYSQL driver for Mandriva

[19:34:39]

SpaceBass:

Current Schema Version: 1160

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SpaceBass:

Segmentation fault (core dumped)

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SpaceBass:

Restarting MythTV server: mythbackend No /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed.

[19:34:49]

SpaceBass:

thats what I get every time I try and run mythtv-setup

[19:36:19]

xris:

SpaceBass: -v all

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piksi:

hmm. as i'm running mythfrontend as my own user (and not mythtv), i've understood that it only needs the user mythtv for mysql usage – so should i just chown all my video files by my normal user?

[19:36:56]

xris:

piksi: doesn't need the mythtv user for anything. mysql has its own user database

[19:36:59]

SpaceBass:

xris, Missing argument to -v/--verbose option

[19:37:06]

xris:

SpaceBass: um, "all"?

[19:37:40]

xris:

piksi: but you should check which user the backend is running as. that's what creates the recordings, etc.

[19:37:49]

piksi:

xris: i know mysql has its own userbase but i was wondering if it needed the mythtv user for anything else – at least all the docs recommended creating one and chowning all recording and video directories to mythtv:video

[19:38:24]

SpaceBass:

xris, http://pastebin.ca/498935

[19:38:25]

xris:

piksi: possibly a security thing. personally, I run my backend as root

[19:38:25]

piksi:

well it seems to be running backend correctly as mythtv

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piksi:

as instructed

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xris:

SpaceBass: all of it?

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hume:

i try to run mythtv on a IBM T40 laptop, but get occasional (about every 5–10th sec) jumps in the video – anyone have advice on what I can do?

[19:38:47]

piksi:

(i'm on gentoo – emerged mythtv, not compiled myself)

[19:39:03]

SpaceBass:

http://pastebin.ca/498936

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piksi:

i'm most annoyed by the mythtv sluggishness in the UI with aerial DVB, i have a great signal but for some odd reason for example changing to some channels which broadcast no program information crashes it and also rewinding the livetv too fast hangs it occasionally

[19:39:51]

trevarthan:

Hello. Is anyone here using tversity with mythtv?

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xris:

SpaceBass: you have me at a loss.. strace or gdb might give you more info

[19:40:14]

SpaceBass:

xris, i get seg faults on both ubuntu feisty boxes I'm trying

[19:40:20]

SpaceBass:

im at a loss too

[19:40:23]

SpaceBass:

but thanks for looking

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juski:

trevarthan: rofl

[19:41:14]

xris:

SpaceBass: could try gdb

[19:41:30]

SpaceBass:

debugger?

[19:41:33]

SpaceBass:

think thats over my head

[19:41:57]

trevarthan:

juski: har har. I'm just trying to get my videos streaming to my nokia n800. They've got n800 support in tversity, so I was wondering if anyone had the two connected.

[19:43:14]

xris:

trevarthan: ask in #gmyth

[19:43:19]

xris:

http://gmyth.sourceforge.net/

[19:43:56]

trevarthan:

xris: already using gmyth. Only codec I can get working is mpeg1. Trying to get divx working so I can stream over the internet.

[19:44:28]

xris:

trevarthan: no clue. they're the ones who deal with the n800. no one here knows much about it.

[19:44:28]

trevarthan:

Granted, upnp and the internet aren't quite the same. So I'm not really sure what I want at this point.

[19:44:43]

trevarthan:

yeah, I wasn't asking about the n800.

[19:45:07]

xris:

trevarthan: I must have misread the " I'm just trying to get my videos streaming to my nokia n800"

[19:45:30]

trevarthan:

xris: original question: "Hello. Is anyone here using tversity with mythtv?"

[19:45:36]

hume:

anyone got ideas about what i could do to get the video not jumpy on my T40?

[19:45:47]

trevarthan:

xris: then juski laughed and I felt I had to defend my question.

[19:45:57]

juski:

just downloaded it quickly.. looks like serious PITA bit of software

[19:46:29]

xris:

hume: you'd first have to figure out why it's jumpy. could be anything from not enough wireless bandwidth, to slow hard drive or cpu, to bad driver support for something in the laptop.

[19:46:54]

juski:

gimme strength anyway.. streaming tv to mobile devices. laahdy dah

[19:47:15]

xris:

trevarthan: I'm going to guess that the answer is "no idea"

[19:47:37]

trevarthan:

tversity has the added advantage of supporting my xbox 360, so if I could just get my mythtv video into it, then maybe everything would work out.

[19:48:06]

hume:

xris, yeah, so what can I check? other laptops on the same LAN works well, with similar CPU power. so bandwidth or cpu seem not probable. so what can I check?

[19:48:51]

hume:

xris, this one got ati graphics drivers – could i do something about them? there are no proprietary available

[19:49:26]

xris:

hume: that could be a difference, yes.

[19:49:33]

xris:

have you checked cpu usage during playback?

[19:50:27]

hume:

xris, would top be a good way to do that? says mythfrontend is about some 27 % cpu, 21 % men

[19:50:29]

hume:

mem

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juski:

there we go.. another neon-wide updte

[19:50:55]

esperegu:

how do I make sure that the /dev/video* 's have the right permissions?

[19:51:52]

xris:

hume: sounds reasonable... hard to say. I had similar issues with a gentoo core2duo machine. never bothered to figure out what the problem was (might have been something to do with gcc version, kernel timing, just about anything)

[19:52:42]

hume:

xris, would there not be some experiences of ati graphics cards somewhere? where i could get some hints?

[19:53:09]

xris:

hume: google?

[19:53:10]

juski:

hume: ATI themselves have come out & said outright that they will not be supporting mythtv issues

[19:53:27]

xris:

juski: he already said there wasn't a proprietary driver for his card, anyway.

[19:53:53]

hume:

xris, according to gnome-control-center proprietary drivers manager.....

[19:54:09]

xris:

hume: huh? go to ati.com and look.

[19:55:14]

trevarthan:

I need to read up on upnp. Seems like if mythtv's upnp server could just do on the fly transcoding then all my problems would go away.

[19:56:26]

juski:

trevarthan: if that were the case you'd not need tversity :)

[19:56:59]

trevarthan:

juski: exactly. unless I wanted WMV transcoding for my 360. But I don't really care so much about that.

[19:57:12]

esperegu:

grrrrrrrrrrrr. my box keeps automaticly rebooting

[19:57:52]

juski:

blech

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Tanthrix:

esperegu: That's no fun.

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esperegu:

Tanthrix: indeed. I think that mythtv is screwed or something. since it is said to shutdown when inactive.

[20:00:01]

juski:

xris: any objections to me submitting some new graphics for the default theme stuff? some of them look a bit er.. raggy

[20:00:18]

Tanthrix:

Don't you go messin' with mythcenter!

[20:00:42]

trevarthan:

Is there a way to publish all mythtv recordings as a podcast/rss feed?

[20:01:35]

juski:

Tanthrix: all the themes which use the default graphics set look raggy because some of the antialiasing is a bit (lot) wrong

[20:01:56]

juski:

I'm just after making them look a lot cleaner. not changing them per se

[20:02:08]

juski:

and FWIW if I get my way mythcenter is byebyes :-P

[20:02:24]

Tanthrix:

Ahh, I see

[20:03:28]

juski:

trans-showings.png for example

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janneg:

juski: please do so

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kormoc:

trevarthan, nope

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esperegu:

anyone knows how to automaticly set rights to /dev/video* ?

[20:05:43]

kormoc:

esperegu, typically you shouldn't need to

[20:05:53]

Tanthrix:

juski: When you redo them master them in vector or raster at 1080P! ;)

[20:06:18]

esperegu:

kormoc: getting this error: Channel(/dev/video0): SetInputAndFormat() failed

[20:06:40]

kormoc:

esperegu, that's not a permission denied error

[20:06:42]

esperegu:

And I tried mannually setting chmod 777 /dev/video*

[20:06:48]

esperegu:

and that did do something.

[20:06:58]

esperegu:

kormoc: how should you fix it then?

[20:07:08]

kormoc:

depends on the real issue

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kormoc:

typically that error comes around when you don't set the card type correctly in mythtv-setup

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esperegu:

kormoc: the problem is that the order of cards changes on each boot

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juski:

Tanthrix: eh? not rocket science to redraw them at any res

[20:08:00]

Anduin:

esperegu: You can use udev to do it all

[20:08:03]

esperegu:

so I set some dev rules but then it also does not work

[20:08:08]

kormoc:

esperegu, you need to research up on udev rules

[20:08:19]

juski:

Tanthrix: until the base resolution changes I'm not altering anything

[20:08:44]

esperegu:

kormoc: I have like this: KERNEL=="video?", DRIVERS=="ivtv", ATTR{name}=="ivtv0 encoder MPEG", SYMLINK="pvr500–0", MODE="0666"

[20:09:12]

esperegu:

Kormoc: but that recording does not work (watching live tv does)

[20:09:40]

esperegu:

this was the error that case:

[20:09:41]

esperegu:

2007-05–19 19:30:02.893 Channel(/dev/pvr500–0): SetInputAndFormat() failed

[20:09:43]

esperegu:

2007-05–19 19:30:02.894 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 5. Reverting to kState_None

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kormoc:

that makes no sense, and don't you need to make 2 symlinks? one for each of the cards the pvr 500 outputs?

[20:10:25]

esperegu:

kormoc: yes I have 2. And one for my saa7134 card

[20:10:44]

esperegu:

(I did not want to spam the channel)

[20:10:44]

Anduin:

weirdness like "but live tv works" is usually caused by things like pam changing device perms when someone logs in

[20:11:17]

esperegu:

Anduin: any suggestions how to set permissions then?

[20:11:40]

esperegu:

Anduin: but live tv also works from a remote backend.

[20:11:43]

esperegu:

frontend.

[20:11:48]

kormoc:

esperegu, writing rules like that *is* how you set permissions

[20:11:57]

juski:

time for some before & after shots :)

[20:12:18]

esperegu:

kormoc: that makes it even weirder

[20:13:14]

esperegu:

root@peni:~# ls -lia /dev/pvr*

[20:13:16]

esperegu:

13500 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2007-05–20 21:58 /dev/pvr500–0 -> video1

[20:13:17]

esperegu:

13559 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2007-05–20 21:58 /dev/pvr500–1 -> video2

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esperegu:

root@peni:~

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kormoc:

esperegu, well symlinks still use the permissions of the device they are pointing to

[20:14:33]

esperegu:

kormoc: can I change these also in the same rulescheme?

[20:15:05]

kormoc:

esperegu, not entirely sure. read a few udev primers and you should be able to get something working right

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esperegu:

k. tryin

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/improve.png

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esperegu:

juski: what should I see?

[20:22:33]

xris:

esperegu: corners of the white boxes

[20:23:35]

esperegu:

ok. and it looks like less shadow

[20:24:44]

piksi:

how could i easily generate cover images for my video files into the mythvideo list and gallery?

[20:26:38]

juski:

janneg: ticket done.. can't remember the #

[20:26:55]

Anduin:

piksi: No great way, someone posted a script to -users some time ago to use mplayer to generate one, not much better than just doing it manually.

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piksi:

Anduin: sigh :- well, thanks anyway, i was gonna use the mplayer way myself because i found no good information via google

[20:28:57]

janneg:

juski: #3481

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Anduin:

piksi: It is just one well done patch away from being easier...

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kormoc:

it'll have a mythweb single click button in the future at least

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kormoc:

piksi, so do what I do, code while watching tv :P

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tjcarter:

hey all, I'm poking about with some thoughts I hoped to bounce off cecil for KM R6 but he's not here to bounce ideas off of. Anyone interested in discussing the various options and merits? =)

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xris:

!seen Captain_Murdoch

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MythLogBot:

Captain_Murdoch is here and has been idle for 5 days 16 hours 10 seconds

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esperegu:

damn... I keep getting this error: Channel(/dev/pvr500–0): SetInputAndFormat() failed

[20:53:00]

esperegu:

any suggestions?

[20:55:24]

Anduin:

esperegu: You fixed the permissions problem?

[20:55:55]

esperegu:

maybe this is it. but it looks like this now:

[20:56:18]

esperegu:

jhaarman@peni:~$ ls -lia /dev/pv*

[20:56:20]

esperegu:

13524 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2007-05–20 22:37 /dev/pvr500–0 -> video0

[20:56:21]

esperegu:

13591 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2007-05–20 22:37 /dev/pvr500–1 -> video1

[20:56:23]

esperegu:

jhaarman@peni:~$ ls -lia /dev/video*

[20:56:24]

esperegu:

13518 crw-rw-rw- 1 root video 81, 0 2007-05–20 22:37 /dev/video0

[20:56:26]

esperegu:

13585 crw-rw-rw- 1 root video 81, 1 2007-05–20 22:37 /dev/video1

[20:56:27]

esperegu:

13878 crw-rw-rw- 1 root video 81, 2 2007-05–20 22:37 /dev/video2

[20:56:55]

esperegu:

since all have rw I don't think that should be it right?

[20:57:03]

Anduin:

Yeah, not a permissions problem

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Anduin:

and use a pastebin

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esperegu:

k

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esperegu:

suggestions?

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Anduin:

esperegu: put a chunk of your log around the error on a paste site

[20:59:19]

esperegu:

http://pastebin.ca/499042

[20:59:58]

esperegu:

not much :-(

[21:01:51]

Anduin:

esperegu: try with -v most (or channel, record)

[21:02:09]

esperegu:

Anduin: where?

[21:02:35]

esperegu:

it's gets started automaticly at boot

[21:02:39]

Anduin:

esperegu: wherever you actually start the backend. You do have a channel right?

[21:02:57]

esperegu:

Anduin: live tv works

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frink_:

ehlo

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hads:

250 OK

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frink_:

lol

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ShockValue:

hi all, got a question. not sure if i should be directing it a #xine or what, but here goes: many (say 50%) of the movies i rip to .vob format (yes, i own them). xine doesnt play well with the ff/rw/jump to 50%, etc type commands

[21:18:33]

TSCHAK2:

GreyFoxx, were you able to see what the deal was with the romdb?

[21:18:35]

ShockValue:

its like it loses its place in the movie.. and sometime just starts over, and sometimes just jumps to some random point

[21:18:55]

ShockValue:

any idea what im messing up to cause this? :)

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spinull:

can you make mythtv use xmms for music, so it can use its visualizations

[21:20:39]

ShockValue:

second question.. anyone have a few 250Gide drives for sale? :)

[21:21:13]

spinull:

hhmm

[21:21:22]

spinull:

i have 1 but i don't know if i want to sell it to you

[21:21:31]

spinull:

sounds like more trouble than its worth

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spinull:

and i dont trust you

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spinull:

:)

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esperegu:

ShockValue: I have 200GB... but the shipping/handling is probably more expansive than buying in store

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xzcvczxx:

spinull: i dont think so, however mythmusic had visualizations at one stage do they not still work?

[21:23:22]

xzcvczxx:

i am unable to test as i dont have mythmusic now

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esperegu:

grrrrr..... mythtvbox is in a circular reboot again.

[21:26:45]

emes:

I'm trying to set up an SA4200 for firewire capture... plugreport shows it connected, but firewire_tester doesn't have any success

[21:26:55]

emes:

anyone have experience with this?

[21:27:53]

spinull:

xzcvczxx, it just shows the cd cover

[21:27:59]

janneg:

juski: committed. do you know if the solid version are in use? they have the same artifacts

[21:28:06]

spinull:

but i don't have most of those so it just has a ?

[21:28:36]

hads:

spinull: It still has visualisations, you were probably missing a dependancy when you compiled.

[21:28:48]

spinull:

i did everything from repo

[21:30:02]

spinull:

what button is it?

[21:30:04]

spinull:

it says 4

[21:30:10]

spinull:

but i press 5 and i get something else

[21:30:22]

spinull:

nvm, im figuring it out

[21:30:50]

gbee:

5 is 'blank screen'

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spinull:

if someone could help me get rid of the gnome panels id be really appreciative

[21:31:08]

hads:

Get rid of Gnome? :)

[21:31:24]

spinull:

i need gnome

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spinull:

cause im using beryl

[21:31:45]

spinull:

and i dont know what else i can use and still have beryl

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gbee:

beryl/compiz are a little broken and don't behave well with myth (just so you know)

[21:32:53]

spinull:

im aware

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spinull:

hence the problem

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hads:

and the solution.

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esperegu:

this makes no sense.. will try later... good night all!

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spinull:

i think xfce works with beryl

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spinull:

but im scared to try it

[21:34:08]

spinull:

im gonna break something

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spinull:

i have enough problems with myth

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ShockValue:

sorry, had to dash off there.. if ya dont trust me, dont sell me one.. i have good heatware feedback etc.. ill probably just get them new anyway

[21:35:02]

immolo:

if you are not running gnome panel why do you need gnome?

[21:36:18]

spinull:

immolo, ?

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hads:

ShockValue: It's a bit of an odd request here since you are talking to the entire world.

[21:39:23]

immolo:

spinull- you know beryl is a window manager right and gnome panel just runs on top of it

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spinull:

yeah

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frink_:

gagh

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frink_:

mythbackend crashed with poor dvb sig

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spinull:

immolo, so how can i fix it

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immolo:

spinull- what i'm saying is if you are not using gnome-panel why are you using gnome

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emes:

how can I crop the overscan in mythfrontend?

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juski:

janneg: I can re-do the solid ones too

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FatherJim:

Hi. Any experts with multiple tuners?

[21:59:41]

juski:

emes: use the appearance menu in mythfrontend to compensate. see the wiki guide about overscan

[22:05:46]

janneg:

juski: that would be nice, just reopen the ticket if they are done

[22:08:44]

juski:

janneg: solid are done :)

[22:09:24]

juski:

now, how to reopen a ticket...

[22:09:43]

tjcarter:

FatherJim: Depends on what you need an expert on exactly.

[22:10:18]

juski:

janneg: I attached 2 new files anyway

[22:10:35]

FatherJim:

well, I have 2 PVR-x50 inputs. They both work fine. IN and out. I also added a firewire interface last night to work with my DCT6200 cable box, and I'm gettin' video, so all is great.

[22:11:10]

juski:

janneg: and another. I think I'm done for tonight ;)

[22:12:26]

juski:

FatherJim: sounds like you need more than one lineup set up

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FatherJim:

I tried to get creative, defined two sources, one with the analog only channels, one with all. The problem I have is now I have no data in my premium content channels, and I can't seem to figure out the mythfilldatabase to stuff it back in. Does it sound like I'm headed the right direction?

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spinull:

immolo, i am using gnome-panel

[22:15:09]

spinull:

hence the problem

[22:15:22]

spinull:

if i weren't using the panels then i wouldn't need gnome

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kormoc:

spinull, so don't use beryl or don't use gnome. what's wrong with that?

[22:15:52]

juski:

FatherJim: 2 lineups / video sources with 2 zap2it accounts. no other way by the sounds of it

[22:15:59]

juski:

anyway.. bedimt

[22:16:04]

juski:

g'night

[22:16:10]

FatherJim:

ouch, so it has to be 2 different accounts? Darn. :)

[22:16:59]

spinull:

kormoc, i shouldn't have to choose one or the other, thats whats wrong

[22:17:13]

spinull:

im sure that i don't have to

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kormoc:

spinull, beryl is *experiential* and still *alpha*

[22:17:35]

immolo:

spinull- now i'm lost

[22:17:49]

kormoc:

sure when it stabilizes out, it'll likely work fine, but until then, it's just how it is

[22:17:50]

immolo:

why do you want to get rid of gnome panel if you are using it

[22:18:19]

kormoc:

immolo, he wants beryl + gnome + myth to work, even tho it's just not able to be done right now

[22:18:26]

spinull:

immolo i don't want to get rid of them, when myth front end starts they are on top, its not full screen

[22:18:36]

immolo:

oh

[22:19:05]

immolo:

can't you just write a little bash script that kills gnome-panel and then starts the frontend

[22:19:22]

spinull:

thing is, they will be gone for every desktop

[22:19:36]

immolo:

yeah

[22:19:51]

spinull:

i have 6, i still use them on the other 5

[22:20:13]

immolo:

you can have a different window manager for each X session I think

[22:20:13]

kormoc:

spinull, feel free to fix the code

[22:20:23]

kormoc:

immolo, one x session, 6 virtual desktops

[22:20:25]

immolo:

so just have one load flux

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hads:

Like kormoc and gbee and even I said earlier. The solution is not to use beryl.

[22:20:47]

spinull:

then thats not a solution

[22:20:59]

spinull:

because i want to be able to use beryl

[22:20:59]

hads:

Then don't use myth

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directhex:

frink_, fixed in svn

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spinull:

and once again you are telling me i have to choose between the two, when i know i don't have to

[22:22:12]

kormoc:

spinull, then stop bitching and go somewhere else, cause no-one here will tell you differently

[22:22:12]

spinull:

i'll just have to look into it more and find out where (in beryl) the problem lies

[22:22:39]

spinull:

so you speak for everyone here?

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spinull:

didn't think so

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directhex:

he speaks for a reasonable number. he can even speak for me once he fixes my oepn tickets that are assigned to him

[22:23:27]

spinull:

heh

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kormoc:

spinull, if others knew differently, they'd say so, and currently there's open bugs in beryl's tracker, so there are *known* issues with it, you refusing to admit that doesn't change the fact that it just will not work with the current code base

[22:25:16]

kormoc:

and if you have the ability to change that code base to make it work, you should do so rather then keep saying that you know it can be done

[22:25:29]

kormoc:

directhex, and I'll get them in tonight :)

[22:26:52]

spinull:

what i was asking for was a solution that doesn't require me to pick between the two, people here have offered possible solutions before, that is what i was looking for again

[22:27:15]

directhex:

kormoc, i forget, which ones are on your plate. both OGM ones, embedded subs and mythweb scanning?

[22:28:13]

kormoc:

directhex, #3473 (OGM scan), #3340 (group chooser update)

[22:28:26]

kormoc:

those are the ones I know bout

[22:28:45]

spinull:

someone told me they didn't have that problem, with the same setup, so it is possible,

[22:29:25]

directhex:

3340's not mine. aha, #3462, assigned to awithers

[22:32:25]

directhex:

kormoc, know whether anyone's actively working on making the gui shinier? theme-controlled transitions and so on?

[22:32:52]

kormoc:

directhex, I don't think so

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Anduin:

directhex: Only because it is ticket review day and I often feel guilty throwing them back to ijr

[22:34:03]

directhex:

kormoc, i might take a peek at the code if i get a moment. depends on time. would involve breaking theme compatibility, but i have a few ideas

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frink_:

directhex: thanks.. i'll update later

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Anduin:

I am very tempted to bump it back to ijr or at least hope janne takes it

[22:43:04]

Anduin:

directhex: No chance it is magically fixed with the ffmpeg resync patch that was sent to -dev some time back?

[22:44:07]

directhex:

Anduin, is this where you ask me to try building ffmpeg from source as a trial?

[22:46:19]

Anduin:

directhex: Nope, just curious if you had tried.

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directhex:

haven't had a chance. a quick peek at the ffmpeg mailing lists suggests it's not supported, and there were plans to spin out a separate library for subtitle related things

[22:51:31]

tjcarter:

I've had a number of those.

[22:51:48]

tjcarter:

Enough that I'm seriously considering that FE and BE should never be the same machine.

[22:52:18]

tjcarter:

Latency is an issue.

[22:52:37]

tjcarter:

But I think it's one I can solve with the right setup.

[22:53:18]

hads:

tjcarter: Why, even if the frontend crashed it shouldn't effect the backend at all.

[22:53:42]

tjcarter:

hads: Because when I have FE crash, it seems to take the whole box down.

[22:53:49]

tjcarter:

I blame NV driver problems.

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hads:

Sounds like something else is going on there.

[22:54:37]

tjcarter:

hads: I can tell you that the problem happens most often when I attempt to watch Live TV.

[22:55:17]

tjcarter:

It's pretty rare even then, but it seems to result in a hardware lockup.

[22:55:43]

hads:

Doesn't sound related to myth

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tjcarter:

Yeah, every project involved passes the buck.

[22:56:35]

tjcarter:

NV: Sounds like ivtv or v4l

[22:56:43]

hads:

I'm not a project :)

[22:56:53]

tjcarter:

ivtv & v4l: Sounds like MythTV

[22:57:05]

tjcarter:

MythTV: Sounds like v4l/ivtv or NV

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hads:

But, honestly, myth (or anything) playing a video shouldn't be able to take down your system.

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tjcarter:

conclusion: Run your FE on a different box and stop worrying about it =)

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kormoc:

tjcarter, XvMC?

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tjcarter:

kormoc: possibly.

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kormoc:

have you tried disabling?

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cal:

i dont have lircd running, yet some keys on my remote are working. only the 4-way pad and the number keys though. what does that mean?

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tjcarter:

no, I tend only to think about it once a month or so when I tickle whatever the problem is and it crashes.

[22:58:51]

tjcarter:

At this point it's more like once every six since I don't use the live tv function.

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tjcarter:

cal: which remote?

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cal:

tjcarter: it says ione on it

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cal:

i cant find it anywhere on the net

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tjcarter:

cal: USB receiver?

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Anduin:

directhex: seems to be an assert that really kills it (again not looking to fix it, just make it not take the frontend out)

[23:00:28]

cal:

tjcarter: i believe so. the reciever is built into the htpc case.

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directhex:

Anduin, yes. the "you're a video stream? O RLY?" assert

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FatherJim:

Ok, I got another 'stupid' question about mythfilldatabase. I set up an 'Analog' and 'Digital' version of the feed. Any suggestions on how I should properly fill the database with the mythfilldatabase? I still can't seem to get my premium data in the guide. :(

[23:00:47]

tjcarter:

cal: You're in luck. Your remote is a keyboard =D

[23:01:05]

cal:

tj: i kind of gathered that, but how do i get those other keys working?

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tjcarter:

cal: by figuring out the keycodes they generate

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cal:

tj: i try capturing the codes with 'mode2' but it doesnt find the remote

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theshadow:

I have a question: if you are recording one show after another on the same channel... how can you make it auto select to record it?

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theshadow:

cause as it is it auto selects "Don't record continue watching this..."

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tjcarter:

cal: run xev and start pushing buttons. Note keycodes

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tjcarter:

cal: Now you can set up those keycodes to do stuff.

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cal:

xev, got it.

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cal:

that must be an X app, cant run it in shell

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tjcarter:

myth can be programmed to use those keycodes or you can remap them to keys myth already understands.

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directhex:

"X Event"

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cal:

tj: how do i remap them

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cal:

tj: or, actually i have another keyboard i use with mythtv too. its a full keyboard. i dont want to mess up the mappings if it changes both.

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tjcarter:

xmodmap file

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cal:

tj: where do i reporgram myth?

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cal:

tj: i went into key setup on myth, but it wouldnt recognize the other keys on the remote

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tjcarter:

cal: you have to give it keycodes.

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cal:

in a file?

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tjcarter:

Why don't you google xmodmap multimedia keyboard

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tjcarter:

I suspect the result will help.

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cal:

okay okay =) thanks youve gotten me down the right track.

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tjcarter:

Sounds like you really have a MCE remote anyway

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tjcarter:

particularly if it has a windows key on it.

[23:10:44]

tjcarter:

In that case, the work's been done for you.

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cal:

no windows key

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tjcarter:

Link to product page or so?

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kormoc:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remo . . . nter_Remotes

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Milosch:

works well

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tjcarter:

kormoc: not you. I meant for his HTPC case

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cal:

tj: it gives no info about the remote for it. their site sucks.

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cal:

let me get it though, sec

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benplaut:

starting completely from scratch, how cheaply can I build relatively low-power myth box that would be simple to set up (LinuxMCE, whatever)?

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** tjcarter doesn't have much interest in IR remotes. **

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tjcarter:

RF and we'll talk.

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xris:

benplaut: $200–400 depending on what exactly you were looking for

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cal:

tj; its www.see-ion.com but this case isnt even on there.

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benplaut:

ok

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kormoc:

benplaut, tho if you want linux mce, you need to go over their supported hardware list, as it might be a lot more costly, as they don't support much

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benplaut:

ok

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benplaut:

i'm starting from a clueless standpoint, open to anything :P

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xris:

kormoc: that and the "doesn't really work at all yet" bit

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tjcarter:

benplaut: If you buy parts online, stick with a capture card that can do the heavy lifting for you, etc...

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benplaut:

ok

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hads:

That $200 really depends what currency you're talking too :)

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benplaut:

heh

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benplaut:

USD

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tjcarter:

benplaut: It can use a very low-end processor. RAM's cheap enough, HD as big as you can get away with.

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Anduin:

directhex: seems someone was nice enough to remove the one for audio that went in at the same time

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tjcarter:

benplaut: Onboard video is fine for most things. Onboard sound often is, but not always.

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** xris really wishes that those "media center cases" were not such giant monstrocities. **

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benplaut:

as for a proc, shoudl I go with a via, or up to a celly or amd?

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benplaut:

"up to a celly"... can't beleive i said that =/

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xris:

benplaut: expect $400–500 for a good system, esp. if you have to get a video card, tuner card, etc.

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cal:

tj: xev is seeing a lot more of the buttons, but not all of them.

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xris:

and whether or not you want HD support..

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benplaut:

not ATM

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Captain_Murdoch:

xris, you looking for me?

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benplaut:

this is for my parents, I don't think they'd really care XD

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benplaut:

also, what's a good host distro for myth?

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tjcarter:

This?: http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/directron_1949_58203222

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xris:

Captain_Murdoch: we were talking about the "multiple video files" stuff earlier. realized I hadn't seen you around in awhile.

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xris:

benplaut: distro == "whatever you're most familiar with"

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cal:

tj: no

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benplaut:

heh

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benplaut:

ok, ubuntu for their sake

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, was on vacation out of the area for a while and haven't been on here much since I got back.

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tjcarter:

good, because that's ugly as hell ;)

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cal:

tj: i can put a snapshot of it on the web... but i have had no luck searching for this remote all day to get more specs on it

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cal:

tj: that remote has the exact same logo though

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tjcarter:

Personally, I'm thinking a FE should run something mITX probably.

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cal:

tj: xev doesnt see all the keys, but enough extra ones to get me going though. thanks!

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tjcarter:

cal: I bet it's a MCE remote.

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cal:

tj: what do i do if it is?

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kormoc:

cal, does it look like any on the wiki page I linked?

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cal:

checking

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tjcarter:

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst . . . 950_23685751

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tjcarter:

cal: That?

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atrus:

any way to have a IR recieiver on one machine register lirc events on *another* machine? (the receiver/transmitter are both the same usb device, so it has to be on my backend machine for the satellite box to cooperate)

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cal:

OMG you found it

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cal:

how did you do that =)

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tjcarter:

I'm brilliant.

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cal:

heh

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tjcarter:

check lsmod for me.

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cal:

tj: it doesnt use that parallel port connector

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tjcarter:

do you have mceusb loaded?

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cal:

that is for the LCD on the front

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tjcarter:

I know, it's just how coolerguys did their thing.

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cal:

mceusb is not loaded

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cal:

modprobe mceusb?

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tjcarter:

mceusb2?

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tjcarter:

I figured if one or the other were loaded, it'd simplify this process

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cal:

not that one either

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cal:

i cant just load them now?

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atrus:

lirc_mceusb2

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atrus:

for my mce-ish remote

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cal:

i was gathering that i dont use lirc for a keyboard remote

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tjcarter:

atrus: does the MCEish remote you use show key events under xev?

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atrus:

no, only via lirc

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atrus:

so i'm probabbly doing this totally differently.

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kormoc:

tjcarter, none of the mce remotes that use mod_mceusb/2 will create xev events

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tjcarter:

kormoc: okay, so we're still looking for his ione remote's model number then.

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cal:

tj: which isnt written anywhere on this thing. unless its inside it.

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tjcarter:

cal: Libra-something most likely.

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tjcarter:

Lots of people are using a Libra-Q11, which seems to be MCE

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cal:

ahh

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cal:

i am trying to figure out where to put these key codes into mythtv

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cal:

unless i have to use xmodmap

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tjcarter:

I'd use xmodmap personally.

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cal:

kk

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tjcarter:

But if not all of your keys are seen by it, there's an issue.

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xris:

cal: some keyboard remotes (like the mce keyboard) still need lirc.

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cal:

i am guessing mythtv uses /home/mythtv/.Xmodmap?

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xris:

mythtv doesn't use xmodmap at all

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GreyFoxx:

myth has nothing to do with xmodmap

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cal:

well what i am saying is, that is the user directory that i want to do the mapping under

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tjcarter:

cal: that might help you a lot.

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cal:

thanks

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tjcarter:

showkey in console could be your friend.

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tjcarter:

see one of the comments

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cal:

ok found it

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tjcarter:

Apparently a patch to the USB input driver may be needed for some keys

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cal:

oic

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cal:

did you find that in the comments?

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