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Wednesday, May 16th, 2007, 00:10 UTC

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abarbaccia:

hey all – anybody know why fastforwarding HDTV wouldn't work but SD would work? the backend and frontend are two different units

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abarbaccia:

with 10/100 wired network

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kormoc:

abarbaccia, and by now you know that we'd tell you to run the frontend in a terminal to get the logging output and have it in a pastebin?

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abarbaccia:

which i have... not pastebin yet tho --- hold please ;-)

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nero:

Say, does the creator of the MePo theme frequent here?

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abarbaccia:

http://pastebin.ca/490400

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abarbaccia:

kormoc — any ideas?

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directhex:

nero, yes, he does

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directhex:

nero, but not today, by the look of it

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nero:

directhex, what is his nick?

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nero:

(my wife wont stop giggling about the "fun penguin guy".. his theme has given a huge boost to the WAF here..)

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directhex:

zdzisekg

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nero:

thanks.. I'll have to thank him the next time I see him around. :)

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directhex:

the character is by http://www.glennmelenhorst.com/

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nero:

yup.. I saw that from the readme file.. its a nice little theme.. how long has the theming interface supported animations like that?

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SlicerDicer-:

does anybody know of svn builds of mythtv .deb style? :)

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directhex:

nero, flipbooks? not sure. but watch your cpu usage

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nero:

will do.

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directhex:

haven't seen him for days now you mention it

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directhex:

not since friday anyway

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directhex:

nero, if you notice your cpu load is 100% when using the MePo theme, there's a fix

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nero:

directhex, I haven't seen that yet..

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directhex:

nero, are you using the OpenGL or Qt painter?

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nero:

OGL

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nero:

and the latest SVN

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directhex:

hm. svn might include some limiting code? not sure. at any rate, fire up a frontend, leave it on the root menu, and check your load

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nero:

hold on.. giving it a whirl

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directhex:

hm, curious. must be a fixed-in-svn thing

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nero:

looks like it.. cause that little guy is blinkin at me, and there is no processor usage (or very little)

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nero:

well, off to watch a movie.. thanks for the tips directhex .. I'll keep an eye on that processor usage.

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directhex:

nero, the problem isn't the flipbook, it's the logo in the bottom left

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nero:

ahhhhh..

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nero:

well that logo is blinking at me too.. ;)

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nero:

bbl

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abarbaccia:

what happened with mythweather – msn change their format or something?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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abarbaccia:

so whats the plan of action for anyone who knows?

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, for the love of god, add it to the topic. it's gone beyond "FAQ"

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GreyFoxx:

abarbaccia: There is ongoing discussion on what's gonna happen, but it's likely going to be a revival of the SoC mythweather changes and seperate scripts for pulling data for different parts of the world

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abarbaccia:

very interesting – and what about imdb — someone said something about that changing as well?

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GreyFoxx:

not that I'm aware of

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GreyFoxx:

and I imported stuff yesterday

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GreyFoxx:

but then I run latest svn

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abarbaccia:

hurm – musta been a bug on their side then – just heard someone mention it

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GreyFoxx:

so if it affects 0.20 I don't know

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abarbaccia:

GreyFoxx: do you upgrade every night or something?

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directhex:

the imdb importing is a bit off

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GreyFoxx:

On average once a week

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GreyFoxx:

usually Saturdays, but sometimes more often

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directhex:

in 0.20 it fails to get most details. in svn, it misses the director

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GreyFoxx:

All I look at usually is the basic description and the cover poster heh

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abarbaccia:

yeah, im just about the cover poster

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abarbaccia:

if i have the movie – i usually know what its about

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directhex:

the poster download works on 0.20

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kormoc:

directhex, what bout the mythweb interface?

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bieb:

how processor intensive is MythTV?

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directhex:

kormoc, mythweb on 0.20 doesn't allow you to import directly from imdb, i.e. doesn't include poster downloading facilities

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kormoc:

bieb, no easy answer

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directhex:

bieb, depends on what you're doing

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kormoc:

directhex, it does in svn

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directhex:

kormoc, yeah. doesn't work right for me though :'(

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kormoc:

directhex, same failures as mythvideo?

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bieb:

I am going to be building a new system.. I have 2 boards.. An ASUS A8n32sli-deluxe 939 socket and a new Gigabyte m61p-s3 AM2, with onboard video..

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bieb:

I realize sli is overkill.. but the board was given to me

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directhex:

kormoc, actually, it seems to work today. it didn't used to

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bieb:

the Gigabyte has onboard video, which is probably junk for Myth

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directhex:

nvidia? should be fine

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bieb:

the onboard nvidia should be fine?

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directhex:

should think so

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kormoc:

hell, the newer intel intigrated gfx supports 1080i under linux fine

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bieb:

but it doesnt provide s-video out

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directhex:

kormoc, assuming mpeg2

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directhex:

bieb, s-video/ ick

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kormoc:

directhex, typically that's what it is, for now :P

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Zider:

s-video 1080i? I didn't know that worked..

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directhex:

kormoc, tell that to the bbc!

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kormoc:

Zider, it doesn't

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Zider:

kormoc: what would be the highest resolution over s-video?

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kash:

svideo has max res of 1024x768

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kash:

due to bandwidth limitations

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bieb:

ok.. directhex.. what do I need in the video dept? I have the Hauppauge wintv-pvr-500mce OEM

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kormoc:

bieb, nvidia 5200 or newer

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directhex:

bieb, dual-tuner mpeg2 grabber?

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bieb:

Kormoc the onboard nvidia is a geforce 6100

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kormoc:

bieb, and as you said above, it doesn't have svideo out

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kormoc:

bieb, so you can buy something that is a 5200 or newer with svideo out or use the onboard and not use svideo

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bieb:

Directhex.. how do I tell dual?

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kormoc:

bieb, the pvr 500 is always dual tuners

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bieb:

gotcha

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bieb:

the 500 and 150 were recommended, I found the 500 on sale for like $20 more than the 150, so I bought it

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kash:

GreyFoxx: i figured as much

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xris:

bieb: nice find

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directhex:

analog in is outside my zone of competence

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bieb:

Kormoc, so svideo is not needed to connect to back to the TV?

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xris:

it's usually about $5 more than twice as much

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directhex:

bieb, depends on your TV

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kormoc:

bieb, depends on your tv

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bieb:

ahhh

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kash:

but if it's s-video -> RGB, max is 1024x768

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** xris resists the urge to say "depends on..." **

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directhex:

xris, DO EEET!

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Sid`:

GreyFoxx: 576 lines

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kash:

i have component out, but no tv that uses it

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kash:

at least, within range of my frontend

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GreyFoxx:

sig: Right

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** directhex looks at his tv, wonders what the component in connectors are for **

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Zider:

GreyFoxx: so there's no real point in outputting anything above 7?? x 576 or something? (can't remember the width)

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kash:

you use DVI

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kash:

?

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kash:

Zider: correc

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kash:

+t

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Zider:

768 perhaps?

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Sid`:

720x576

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GreyFoxx:

Zider: Right

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Zider:

ah 720

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Sid`:

if you use a resolution of 720x576, at least with the nvidia cards, no scaling happens

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Sid`:

things look more predictable i've found

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Zider:

and my gfx card doesn't wanna output that resolution :P

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GreyFoxx:

As much as possible you want to avoid scaling. So if you are analog recording try to record at the same resolution you output, and try to output as close to a proper resolution as possible.

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directhex:

kash, i use VGA

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xris:

GreyFoxx: scaling happens all over the place, though. even digital cable tv comes in at weird resolutions like 328x480 (yes, wacky anamorphic)

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GreyFoxx:

which is why we don't want to add more layers of scalling if we can avoid it :)

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bieb:

kormoc, what are some of the best reading/setup docs for Myth? Other than just asking here of course :)

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kormoc:

bieb, the offical site, the offical docs, the offical wiki

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bieb:

cool

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xris:

bieb: jarod wilson's fedora guide is really good, too. a lot of distro-agnostic info

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** juski can't sleep. replied to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/269721 in rant mode **

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bieb:

short of the standard distro religious war, which distros have most people used and solved issues? I dont want to be the first person to try Myth on X-distro

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juski:

bieb: ubuntu isn't a bad choice for mythtv these days.. if a little bloated if all you want is mythtv

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directhex:

jarod's guide means there are a lot of fedora users

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cal:

why would one have a non-master backend?

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directhex:

ubuntu is a popular choice, but throws up atypical errors (mostly because people can't read)

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directhex:

cal, more tuners!

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bieb:

directhex.. you mean people are supposed to read?

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juski:

cal: slave backends can add more tuners than one can physically house in one PC. also give you more CPUs to do processing.. also more storage :)

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GreyFoxx:

cal: More tuners, more diskspace, more cpu's to do comflagging/transcoding,etc

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cal:

direct: hmm cant you have like 6 tuners in one backend already thou

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juski:

bieb: I hope to $deity you're joking

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kormoc:

cal, so? 6 isn't always enough

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cal:

omg who needs more than 6 =)

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juski:

cal: who needs more than TWO?

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juski:

:-P

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kormoc:

who needs any to be honest :P

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bieb:

juski.. yes .. I just forgot to add <sarcasm> </sarcasm> to that one

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cal:

juski: thats all i have.. heh

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juski:

cal: at xmas I found it necessary to add a slave backend just so I could have 4 tuners without disrupting my existing backend.. just for a while :)

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cal:

i think it was cool that i turned my laptop into a wireless cable tv

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kash:

poor juski!

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Zider:

I can't get decent overscan with 720x576.. have to use 800x600 to get it to fill out the tv screen.. :P

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cal:

i mean thats like a new concept.. wireless cablevision... hehe

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Zider:

poor me :(

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clever:

how do i set mythbackend to be running realtime?

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Zider:

I so need a decent gfx card to that box..

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juski:

Zider: even with nvidia-settings ?

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kash:

clever: in mythtv-setup

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Zider:

juski: doesn't work with this old crap carsd

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clever:

where in there?

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kash:

you need to setuid root the mythbackend

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kash:

chmod +S /usr/bin/mythfrontend

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clever:

yeah i knew i had to do something from roots end

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juski:

why'd anybody want to run mythbackend in realtime?

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cal:

i was getting some video freezing ever second or two when on the laptop thou.... over 10mb wireless... is there a way to lower the video quality a bit or something to fix that?

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kash:

same reason you wear flame stickers on your sneakers

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clever:

chmod: invalid mode: `+S'

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clever:

Try `chmod --help' for more information.

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kash:

they make you go faster

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juski:

oh – people with boxes that are way underpowered & their expectations are too high

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kash:

clever: try +s

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clever:

chmod: cannot access `/usr/bin/mythfrontend': No such file or directory

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clever:

i can fix this:P

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kash:

uhh

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juski:

19 year olds with no jobs who live at home with their parents still :-z

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clever:

and its the backend i want to +s:P

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clever:

chmod +s `which mythbackend`

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kash:

juski: don't bring yourself into this :)

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clever:

that one worked

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juski:

no sympathy from me

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juski:

kash: you wanna slap?

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kash:

!trout juski

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** MythLogBot slaps juski with a trout on behalf of kash... **

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bieb:

Kash... the flame stickers dont work.. I heard it is the number of stripes on your sneakers.. so Adidas = fast, but Walmart brand = faster

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clever:

my box is 1.6ghz

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juski:

little munchkin

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clever:

and im not 19:P

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clever:

I am 20.15014 years old. (I'll be 21 in 44wks 3days 3hrs 49mins 16secs.)

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kash:

bieb: LOL.

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cal:

juski: i just bought a dual core with 2gig ddr-2 ram and such... and was done with it. didnt want to screw with maybe being too slow =)

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juski:

kash: you should f.o & go use Elisa. It has a 'cool' UI apparently

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juski:

oh wait.. it's not a PVR yet

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kash:

... why would i

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kash:

i like mythtv and use it :p

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cal:

so, no way to lower video quality for streaming over 10mb wireless?

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kash:

unless you're just being a grump

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juski:

cal: recording profiles

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kash:

juski: i think he means without sacrificing quality on his frontend

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juski:

but how often do you even get 10mb ? lol

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juski:

get a wire in there ya wuss

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kash:

juski: that's what she said.

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clever:

my standard def tv streams use 300kb/sec of my wifi b

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directhex:

juski, that Elisa UI is a joke, right? :|

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juski:

directhex: apparently not. apparently it's the most awesomest thing ever since like... oh gawd like umm... since er..

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directhex:

juski, linuxmce

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juski:

directhex: lol

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kash:

SINCE PISSING ON YOUR BOOTS

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juski:

if my ass was on rotatable faces of a cube, would IT also be the awesomest ass ever?

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cal:

getting this lcd working is going to be the death of me. been fiddling with it all week.

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kash:

juski: is Elisa like.. a spin-off of the Beryl thing or what?

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juski:

kash: came before beryl. it's supposed to be the best thing since sliced whatever. all the digg crowd dugg it

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kash:

since slicing up your penis while on PCP? yes, i agree.

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kash:

actually, i think it comes after that

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directhex:

it looks like e17 in a window

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directhex:

but less usable

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kash:

and e17 is pretty.. unusuable

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juski:

they've got macslow working on the UI now. I think that fact is slightly more worrying. he's very very good with that sort of thing

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Zider:

el33tenment

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kash:

juski: </sarcasm> ?

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juski:

not at all

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Zider:

I wonder if I can get hold of a cheap 6200 somewhere..

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a1fa``:

hi hi hi :P

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juski:

I'm not sayingmythtv's ui is perfect..far from it. but eyecandy hasa certain role to play even if it's not the be-all and end-all

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directhex:

juski, myth's ui is at least sensibly laid out. did you see just how nightmarish the music playback is in their video?

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juski:

directhex: yup. like itunes at 90 degrees.

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directhex:

if itunes only ran in a single filenames-only column

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juski:

I have a new quit sig methinks.. "all it takes is for folks

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juski:

to contribute instead of waiting around for some mythical SoC student

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juski:

to mop it all up"

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directhex:

hey, i had code in trunk once

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directhex:

in my yoof

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Zider:

hm.. what would be the difference between a GF5200 and a GF6200 when only watching movies?

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juski:

Zider: the 6200 gets you more frags & FPS.. or something

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Zider:

juski: would it help future HDTV playback more?

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juski:

Zider: I hear tell that a 5200 can't do 1080 over DVI

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Zider:

so a 6200 for a marginally higher price would be a better deal?

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kash:

i have a 6200 :D

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juski:

that said if that's the case it'd be likely the 6200 can't either. no hard evidence of either not being a HDTV user

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kash:

it does 1080p nicely

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Zider:

ah

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kash:

i got an AGP version

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Zider:

seems to be a worthwhile investment then

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juski:

for the extra $5 or whatever...

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Zider:

yeah, I'll be getting an AGP as well

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kash:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (rev a1)

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juski:

xvmc most likely won't work on it with the colour OSD hack, but xvmc is for wussies anyway

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kash:

xvmc is fine

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kash:

no osd colour shit

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Zider:

hm, well.. come to think of it, I dunno if the CPU would handle HDTV anyway.. :)

[01:35:22]

Zider:

celeron 2,4GHz :P

[01:35:26]

Zider:

2,6 even

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kash:

yeh, my 2.2 celeron does it fine

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Zider:

oh?

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kash:

yep

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Zider:

nice

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Zider:

then it's a done deal; I'm getting a new gfx card :D

[01:36:42]

Zider:

screw this old crap

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juski:

eee I dunno you have to start qualifying it when you say 'HDTV' now. what you mean is MPEG2 HDTV, kash

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kash:

yeh, and MPEG4

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juski:

if it was h.264 your 2.2 celery would have trouble

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kash:

i can play x264 fine

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Zider:

and you're sure it's a celeron? :P

[01:38:58]

kash:

yeah

[01:39:09]

kash:

i've got a 2.8GHz pentium D that does it, too

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juski:

can you smell something?

[01:39:28]

kash:

juski: x264 720p :/

[01:39:40]

kash:

i don't get x264 here, only mpeg2

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kash:

i downloaded an x264 show once, it was Lost in 720p

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juski:

yeah well try 1080i h.264 AVC1

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juski:

then tell me if a celery 2.2 is enough ;-P

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kash:

sample clip?

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kash:

LennonNZ: the 1080p was from a bluray disc

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juski:

LennonNZ: sssh. stop talking rubbish. DVD is 576p at most

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kash:

i think he means HDDVD

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juski:

and TV can be 1080i or 720p generally – varies depending on the content

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juski:

anyway enough.. off to bed again

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kash:

directv only transmits in 1080i :(

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kash:

no matter what station

[01:42:19]

kash:

they resample it

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kash:

which fucking sucks my left titty

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Zider:

bot the right?

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Zider:

not

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kash:

no, the european fuckers with actual h.264 suck the right one

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Zider:

I'm pissed that my cable co doesn't support any digital boxes that has firewire :/

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Zider:

anyhoo.. off to bed.. cya..

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kash:

they have to

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kash:

:p

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kash:

oh wait.. non-us

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Tanthrix:

kash: juski is completely right. There isn't the slightest chance in the world that your celeron could do 1080P h264

[02:00:50]

kash:

it was 720p foo

[02:01:19]

kash:

i never said the h.264 was 1080p :p

[02:01:38]

Tanthrix:

kash: Oh, I know that. I just thought that by "sample clip?" you were challening him.

[02:01:54]

kash:

i wanted to test it myself

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Tanthrix:

Google "apple HD" – they have a few if you want to give it a try.

[02:02:06]

kash:

oh, that's x264?

[02:02:12]

kash:

in that case, no, it can't do 1080p

[02:02:37]

kash:

it did, but was not very watchable

[02:02:59]

kash:

my desktop does it fine, no stuttering and only 25% CPU usage

[02:04:49]

clever:

shit

[02:04:54]

clever:

1 hour of the tv guide channel

[02:04:59]

clever:

commflaged and everything

[02:05:12]

kash:

hahahaha

[02:05:23]

clever:

went to channel 5 instead of 51

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Tanthrix:

hehe

[02:05:46]

Tanthrix:

That's better than some quack religious channel

[02:05:58]

kash:

robert tilton ftws

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Tanthrix:

If I was a billionair I would start an atheist channel, and it would be awesome.

[02:06:44]

clever:

delete+rerecord...

[02:06:52]

clever:

probly wont air for a year or 2 though

[02:07:46]

clever:

would be nice if i could inject a .avi file i got from elsewhere and it show up in mythfrontend with the rest of the episodes

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kash:

rofl

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clever:

then i can just dl it thru some posibly ilegal method and stuff it in place

[02:08:44]

kash:

wish you could

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clever:

messing with the mysql tables might work

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Sid`:

wouldnt be hard to do, yeah

[02:09:04]

Sid`:

it'd just be an mysql hack i'd think

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Tanthrix:

clever: Just don't delete the recording and replace the file.

[02:09:15]

clever:

allready deleted it

[02:09:19]

Tanthrix:

A shame.

[02:09:20]

kash:

yeah, it would work, but you'd have to work out the timestamp stuff

[02:09:23]

clever:

and how would mythtv react to a avi in a .nuv file

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GreyFoxx:

clever: IT would make no difference

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kash:

not an issue

[02:09:33]

Tanthrix:

Just fine, as for as the player goes anyway.

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GreyFoxx:

as long as the mysql entry has the right filename

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clever:

GreyFoxx: and what if it trys to follow the commflag data from the old recording:S

[02:10:09]

clever:

downloads would probly allready be comm free

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GreyFoxx:

clever: rerun mythcomflag

[02:10:15]

kash:

i guess my next project is to get this spare freebsd box up and running as a helper encode box

[02:10:22]

GreyFoxx:

wipe the commerical list and build a seek table

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clever:

yeah the seek table might also be messed up

[02:10:38]

clever:

i forgot about that:P

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kash:

is it illegal to d/l a show if its not licenced to your country?

[02:11:17]

clever:

kash: even if it is i allready got 5 episodes without downloading any of it and would have had this if my lirc didnt loose a button

[02:11:49]

kash:

i was just wondering how those anime trackers haven't gotten in trouble with the *AA

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clever:

the tracker is probly ran out of a foreng country

[02:12:13]

clever:

so the tracker itself cant be shut down

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kash:

nah, deadfrog is run here

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clever:

also the tracker never touches any of the ilegal data

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kash:

but i think, as far as the *AA are concerned, the programmes aren't licenced to the USA so they're not losing any money from it

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clever:

all it does is keep track of who has it and points you in the right direction

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Sid`:

the *AA don't care about TV shows

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Sid`:

because they're outside of their respective bailiwicks

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clever:

not until a big us company buys the licenc and starts dubbing it

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Sid`:

TV shows are neither movies (usually) nor recorded music

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kash:

i'm confused

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clever:

and how do i get mythbackend to run in realtime?

[02:15:52]

kash:

my frontend has an ICH4 and i compiled in the 8x0 module, but it's not finding it

[02:15:55]

clever:

ive done the chmod +s and its now running as root but it isnt in realtime

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kash:

clever: oh man, just give it up

[02:16:04]

kash:

it won't help any

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clever:

lol

[02:16:25]

clever:

the problem is that other progs like mythfilldb are stealing some of the cpu power i think

[02:16:48]

clever:

and if i just set mythbackend to realtime it will get as much as it wants

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kash:

:|

[02:17:04]

kash:

ooook

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clever:

brb phoine

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kash:

so just run mythfilldb on another system redirected to the BE

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cal:

any ideas why i am getting invalid postal code when trying to run this icon script?

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clever:

kash: mythfrontend and mysql also cause problems

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kash:

ok

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kash:

all of this points to one thing

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kash:

CREATE A DBE

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clever:

i could just leave this as the backend

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clever:

and make a dedicated fe to take the fe loads out of it

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kash:

sure, do that.

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clever:

alot less crap to move arround

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kash:

and put mysql on the fe

[02:24:37]

clever:

then help me get the tv out on my laptop working

[02:24:43]

kash:

i can't.

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clever:

it runs the frontend fine even over wireless

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kash:

you use ATI.

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clever:

yeah and ati sucks:P

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LikwidFire:

hey guys, anyone know why the time on my backend would be an hour and ten minutes off? is there any way to fix that?

[02:25:30]

kash:

use ntpdate

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clever:

ntp

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LikwidFire:

cool ill give it a try thanks

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LikwidFire:

its funny cause when i do date, it comes up 22:28 which is correct, but myth is telling me its 11:28

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clever:

TZ wraper set wrong?

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LikwidFire:

but ntp is emerging right now

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LikwidFire:

hmm, i dont know, ill check that too

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LikwidFire:

thanks :)

[02:31:11]

kash:

would there be a way to put upcoming recordings on a website?

[02:31:16]

kash:

i.e. pulled from the backend?

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clever:

mythweb

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kash:

nah

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kash:

not from there

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kash:

i just want to put it in the sidebar of a site

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clever:

theres also

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clever:

where is it...

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kash:

o_O

[02:35:52]

clever:

that shows some upcomming recordings

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clever:

swap out the ip to match your backend

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kash:

nice

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kash:

thanks

[02:36:17]

clever:

thats served by the backend itself

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clever:

also i think that port lets people delete shows and crap so dont open it to the web

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kash:

of course not.

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clever:

use a tiny php script or something which fetches it from the LAN and just shows a copy of it on the web page

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kash:

how do i grab only the schedule div?

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clever:

regex probly

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clever:

make a regulur expresion which matches that area

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kash:

i don't know enough regex

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Fnc:

GreyFoxx: you around?

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kash:

i only know enough sed to replace lines/words in a file

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clever:

and i know a tad more

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clever:

which i forgot the instant i stoped needing it

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kash:

lol

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kash:

oh well, not a big deal

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clever:

managed to make a php script which parsed a web based game and got info out of it and login

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clever:

and now ive forgoten how half of it works:P

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Fnc:

if i download a handful of .mov trailers, how does one get them added into mythvideo?

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kash:

put them in the folder

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kash:

clever: i think the funniest video i've ever seen is 'dick in a box'

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clever:

lol

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kash:

you seen it?

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clever:

nope

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Fnc:

kash: folder on the frontend or backend?

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kash:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1dmVU08zVpA

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kash:

Fnc: you could have a shared folder

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kash:

but the frontend

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kash:

clever: you gotta watch the whole thing.

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clever:

kash watch http://youtube.com/watch?v=Bq7mWBtNhjs

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Fnc:

kash: and how does the jpg work with it? same file name.jpg? or put into a folder

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kash:

Fnc: i don't do images

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Fnc:

kash: i ment jpg to match the video... not sure if that was clear

[02:48:46]

kash:

oh

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kash:

no, i'm not sure

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kash:

clever: i've done that before

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kash:

that's a really weird computer

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squidly:

how can I get a package to use the a specified version of another package?

[02:53:58]

squidly:

should I mask the package I dont want used?

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squidly:

oh wait.. wrong channel sorry

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cal:

any ideas why i am getting invalid postal code when trying to run this icon script?

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atrus:

for the moment i'm just trying to tx the same remote signals that it can already receive properly to see if it's working right, but so far no luck.

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atrus:

woot, nevermind. tx was plugged into the wrong jack, apparantly.

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cal:

would someone mind creating an iconmap for me? i cant get this script working

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sandeen:

hmm

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sandeen:

all of a sudden I have stuff showing up in my recorded items list that "can't be found"

[03:18:50]

sandeen:

2007-05–15 21:01:03.256 Started recording: Boston Legal "Duck and Cover": channel 1520 on cardid 4, sourceid 1

[03:18:50]

sandeen:

2007-05–15 22:00:00.777 TVRec(4): Changing from RecordingOnly to None

[03:18:50]

sandeen:

2007-05–15 22:00:00.883 Finished recording Boston Legal "Duck and Cover": channel 1520

[03:18:50]

sandeen:

2007-05–15 22:00:02.764 TVRec(5): Changing from None to RecordingOnly

[03:18:52]

sandeen:

and yet...

[03:18:54]

sandeen:

no file

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sandeen:

any ideas?

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Tanthrix:

sandeen: Have you tried exiting the recordings list then going back in and seeing if they still do it?

[03:29:19]

Tanthrix:

sandeen: Every once in a while I get that message, and all I need to do is exit and go back in and it works.

[03:29:34]

Tanthrix:

sandeen: (Assuming the problem wasn't caused by my firewire setup dying, which is another matter)

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sandeen:

Tanthrix, the files really don't exist

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sandeen:

there are no files with today's date in the video dir

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Sid`:

stupid suggestion; check permissions on that dir?

[03:44:30]

sandeen:

sid` other files have recorded just fine...

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sandeen:

drwxr-xr-x 3 mythtv mythtv 8192 May 15 22:24 /video/

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Sid`:

fsck the partition that /video is on

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sandeen:

it's xfs... I helped write xfs for linux... it's not an fs problem :)

[03:46:01]

sandeen:

no kernel messages, no errors

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xris:

sandeen: logs?

[03:48:56]

sandeen:

xris, see above

[03:49:03]

sandeen:

nothing interesting that I can see

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sandeen:

I did recently upgrade to latest myth rpms from atrpms

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rokstar:

has anyone else experienced problems with dvdarchive spitting out dvd's with unusable menu's?

[04:02:05]

rokstar:

i've asked google but haven't really found much

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rokstar:

anyone home?

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kormoc:

rokstar, no

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rokstar:

crud...

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rokstar:

dvdauthors the actual program that does the menu encoding right?

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sandeen:

hmm recently recorded programs aren't working either

[04:12:47]

sandeen:

just watched it happen

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sandeen:

even files it claims to be recording currently

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sandeen:

*cry*

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sandeen:

hmm seems to be for only one tuner...

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sandeen:

yet both claim to be recording

[04:18:02]

sandeen:

gah, looks like a tuner problem

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wylie:

i have a strange problem after redoing my inputs. programs scheduled for recording on my hdhomerun tuner are never appearing in the upcoming recordings list

[04:22:55]

wylie:

any thougths?

[04:23:29]

wylie:

this is with latest svn. i have been running myth for 4 years. it has nothing to do with them being hdhomerun.

[04:23:44]

wylie:

and livetv for the channels on hdhomerun are working fine

[04:24:13]

sandeen:

so fwiw if the tuner can't get a lock, nobody seems to notice; just get a recorded show entry w/ no file behind it :(

[04:24:31]

wylie:

sandeen; that is correct

[04:24:56]

wylie:

there is probably some notice in the backend log, but i'm not positive

[04:25:37]

sandeen:

wylie, nope – at least not at my logging level...

[04:25:47]

sandeen:

hmm now wonder why it didnt' lock on the update; same versions of all the drivers

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wylie:

scheduling problem; scheduling working for 3 tuners (two kinds of input), scheduling not working for 2 other tuners (hd inputs; working with live tv) all on same backend).

[04:29:25]

wylie:

livetv works for all tuners, but shows scheduled on some channels never make it on upcoming recordings

[04:30:19]

kormoc:

wylie, if it's really a bug, you might want to open a trac ticket and/or post on the dev mailing list. tend to have a better hit/miss ratio that way

[04:30:40]

kormoc:

wylie, but you're gonna need to gather some proof that something is wrong, logs or the like

[04:30:42]

wylie:

ya, i know, but trying to figure out what data would be helpful

[04:31:08]

wylie:

[specifically, any relevant debug data when the scheduling process happens]

[04:33:01]

wylie:

i had a number of tuners on various backends. a system crashed and i consolidated 3 pvr 250's and 1 hdhomerun (2 tuners) to one powerful enough backend. i had some problems getting the atsc ota channels back up on the hdhomerun, but have that finally cleaned up. all channels work in livetv on all tuners and show proper programming info. the hdhomerun has my hd content (channel 712 for nbc, for e.g.)

[04:33:23]

wylie:

but when i set stuff to record on 712, for instance, it just never shows up as an upcoming recording

[04:33:33]

kormoc:

wylie, and you've ran mythfilldatabase and all that jazz?

[04:33:42]

wylie:

yup, definately

[04:34:04]

wylie:

too many times, hah. while cleaning up the bogus channels that the qam256 scan comes up with

[04:34:15]

** kormoc nods **

[04:34:42]

kormoc:

hrm, I guess the query log and the output of the scheduled query would be handy... tho I'm not sure if that would be enough

[04:35:42]

wylie:

ya, it may be that someone tells me what else i need to provide and i do that after opening the ticket. i could just wipe the inputs again and start clean — it would probably fix it.... but i'm convinced there is a bug somewhere that can be fixed.

[04:35:59]

wylie:

and simply ignoring it wouldn't fix the problem for others

[04:37:01]

wylie:

this is the first time i have ever seen scheduling behaviour like this

[04:37:33]

wylie:

and to be good, i did all of the modification using myth, rather than running off to phpmyadmin/mysql

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wylie:

i would still call it a bug, but i figured out the problem. it would take a fairly sophisticated mythtv user to run into it. it had to do with the grabber and overlap of channels for multiple tuner sources. it was remedied by turning back on a specific zap2it profile and running mythfilldatabase again

[05:05:46]

wylie:

even though there was programming data for those channels without an additional grabber.

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ARfdee:

what's a good inexpesive usb tv solution?

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sajid:

hey, anyone around?

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cecil:

sajid: yes

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Dibblah:

Oh, I shouldn't have done that.

[06:27:29]

sajid:

im actually mostly curious about finding a ballpark price range for a system that would be able to record HDTV

[06:27:57]

Dibblah:

Just sent a mail to linux-dvb asking Uwe to try reading his own mails before calling other people "team incapable"...

[06:28:07]

sajid:

ive been reading about the hardware requirements ands and suggestions from the documentation, but id appreciate it if someone gave me a rough estimate so that i can see if its in my budget

[06:28:18]

sajid:

be useful to know before i did all the hardware research

[06:28:41]

Dibblah:

sajid: In Europe / US... Firewire / ...?

[06:29:23]

sajid:

in US

[06:29:27]

Dibblah:

Europe tends to use h.264, which is much harder on CPU usage.

[06:30:51]

sajid:

so yeah, would 2 grand cover a decently performing box for HD in the US?

[06:31:15]

cecil:

sajid: yes

[06:31:21]

cecil:

more than enough

[06:31:27]

sajid:

the other thing i need to consider is the price difference between HD and non-HD

[06:31:30]

Dibblah:

sajid: http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-view_pvrent.ph . . . D%20Frontend

[06:32:03]

sajid:

because in my Dorm room (what i am building this for) i won't have HD, but i do at home, so i figured it was worth getting an HD capture card for the coupla months i am at home

[06:32:06]

Dibblah:

Obviously, I really wouldn't go Prescott with the C2D available.

[06:32:19]

cecil:

sajid: http://mythic.tv/product_info.php?products_id=44

[06:33:00]

cecil:

sajid: I'm am the lead KnoppMyth developer, I've no official link to mythic.tv

[06:33:25]

cecil:

you don't have to purchase from them, the specs for the system is open, so you can build your own

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sajid:

i am building this primarily for the purpose of building it, to be honest

[06:33:59]

sajid:

heh, using the features is secondary

[06:34:01]

cecil:

but if you want to build an all in one system, I'd recommend them as they have been helpful in improving KnoppMyth for all users

[06:34:29]

sajid:

KnoppMyth seems like a great project, but i am most excited about compiling an entire Gentoo system running MythTV from source

[06:35:04]

Dibblah:

sajid: Been there. Done that. Don't bother ;)

[06:35:26]

sajid:

oh and Dibblah, that pvrhw config you sent me appears to be a frontend system.. i was talking about a backend server though

[06:35:29]

sajid:

heh, why not?

[06:35:32]

Dibblah:

Or, if you REALLY want to do it, do LFS.

[06:35:46]

sajid:

hmm, i had LFS as a separate project for the summer

[06:36:09]

Dibblah:

sajid: Actually, the backend takes virtually no resources.

[06:36:18]

Dibblah:

The frontend is the killer.

[06:36:28]

cecil:

sajid: then compile away

[06:36:30]

sajid:

really? interesting

[06:36:50]

Dibblah:

Depends on your source, of course.

[06:36:59]

sajid:

i intended on having one box in my common room that ran both the backend and the front end

[06:37:06]

sajid:

and then also trying to set up a frontend on my laptop

[06:37:32]

Dibblah:

Firewire, DVB, go7007 and friends are all pretty much free, CPU wise.

[06:37:38]

sajid:

which shouldnt be a problem, since i think my laptop beats that system on ever spec

[06:37:44]

Dibblah:

bttv, etc are expensive.

[06:38:41]

sajid:

okay

[06:38:48]

Dibblah:

Anyone willing to bet on how much bile is in Uwe's response?

[06:40:01]

Dibblah:

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.drivers.dvb/33644

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sajid:

http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-view_pvrent.php?systemid=MythHD

[06:41:26]

sajid:

anyone see anything particularly wrong with that setup?

[06:41:36]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: WOW

[06:42:07]

Dibblah:

Shouldn't have done it.

[06:42:24]

Dibblah:

He's going to be sending a hit squad.

[06:42:33]

Dibblah:

Or, more probably, a nastygram.

[06:43:31]

Sid`:

he looks like an abject dick

[06:43:39]

Sid`:

probably a really talented developer

[06:43:42]

Dibblah:

sajid: That's going to be quite cheap to make these days.

[06:43:49]

Sid`:

nonetheless, a team-incapable dick

[06:43:50]

Dagmar:

Well, someone was really retarded to be trying what they were trying

[06:44:22]

Dibblah:

Sure. Forking / maintaining your own version and hoping to just "submit a patch" is dumb.

[06:44:45]

Dibblah:

But... There's ways of saying it.

[06:44:58]

Dibblah:

And Uwe probably won't make a politician.

[06:45:03]

Dagmar:

trox: Go to www.videohelp.com and read. The problem seems to be that the entire extent of your knowledge of optical media is that they are shiny.

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xzcvczx:

if you run osx-packeger.pl where does the file go?

[06:45:31]

Dagmar:

whoops, wrong channel

[06:45:54]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: And talking about reading your own messages... ;)

[06:47:10]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: In addition to asking me how long it would take to burn an audio CD at 4x, the guy also asked "anyway, what if i use raw instead of sao or tao, will the quality of the writing depend less on my power supply?"

[06:47:47]

Dagmar:

o.O

[06:47:52]

Dibblah:

Nice.

[06:48:03]

Dagmar:

sajid: You're just now figuring that out?

[06:48:20]

Dagmar:

sajid: Time for more coffee, man

[06:48:22]

sajid:

Dagmar: I just now discovered that Dragon existed...

[06:48:36]

Dagmar:

Ah, okay, that makes a bit more sense

[06:48:56]

sajid:

Dagmar: I didnt come in here with the intent of being the newbie who asks a bunch of basic questions

[06:49:12]

sajid:

i really just wanted to get a price range on the system to make sure i could build it before i spent many hours thinking about it

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sajid:

oh, anyone know how quiet Dragon systems are?

[06:51:06]

Dibblah:

A suggestion would be to start out cheap and cheerful and upgrade if necessary. Most of the time you'll find that you don't actually need heavy hardware.

[06:51:25]

Dibblah:

What's your intended signal source?

[06:53:23]

sajid:

not sure atm, i have two locations i am considering.

[06:53:28]

Dibblah:

sajid: ATSC, cable,...

[06:53:28]

sajid:

In my dorm room it would be ATSC

[06:53:48]

sajid:

but ive been told that i won;t be able to pick it up without some serious antenna antics, heh

[06:53:56]

sajid:

so then all id have to worry about would be at home, which is cable.

[06:54:52]

Dibblah:

If it's digital cable, then you'd have to either have your own cable box, or sell the idea to the family ;)

[06:56:00]

sajid:

as of now, we dont have digital cable

[06:56:10]

sajid:

its just the free network stations that we get in HD

[06:56:33]

sajid:

but anyway, the idea is already sold to the family

[06:56:48]

sajid:

when im at home, the box will be for our family room on our main tv

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cecil:

sajid: very quiet

[07:05:05]

sajid:

cecil: thanks

[07:06:05]

sajid:

oh one other question.... my university offers a couple different cable packages, and all that, but essentially we get a signal via a coax cable. can you think of anyway that they might set it up so that itd stop this from workng?

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cecil:

offhand, no

[07:07:39]

sajid:

thanks again

[07:07:39]

Dagmar:

yep

[07:08:18]

Dagmar:

They could put a filter on your line to block channels, for one thing

[07:09:18]

sajid:

well i would be paying for the channels i want..

[07:12:00]

Dagmar:

they could give you a descrambler with a mechanical knob to change channels.

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xzcvczx:

if you have 2 backends are they meant to use different dbs?

[07:26:05]

juski:

nope

[07:26:22]

juski:

many backends, many frontends, one mysql server with one mythconverg database

[07:27:19]

xzcvczx:

are there any docs for setting up multiple fe's/be's?

[07:28:19]

juski:

setting up for multiple FE/BE basically involves setting network privileges on the mysql server correctly & having the nouse to point the other machines at the right IP address. bit of a non-brainer

[07:28:42]

xzcvczx:

yeah done all that connecting my db fine

[07:29:00]

xzcvczx:

just when i goto video manager it says cant find the files wants to delete them

[07:29:11]

xzcvczx:

(on second be/fe)

[07:29:43]

xzcvczx:

and cant find cards etc

[07:29:58]

juski:

you change the master backend to run on its real IP address (i.e. not 127.0.0.1) and set the MBE address to the same IP, then restart the backend. Then point all the other backends / frontends at that same IP address

[07:30:11]

juski:

note: hostnames for all backends & frontends MUST BE DIFFERENT!

[07:31:14]

directhex:

Your application for a new Tax Disc has been successful.

[07:31:39]

juski:

also note that live & recorded TV is the only media that can be streamed across the network over mythtv's own protocol. sharing music, photos & video requires the use of NFS/CIFS/SAMBA/Whatever & it's always advisable to export & mount the shares to the 'same' location on each system

[07:31:44]

juski:

</essay>

[07:31:51]

juski:

directhex: that time again? ouchy

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xzcvczx:

juski: ah ok.... dammit thats gonna be fun, running one mac and one linuc

[07:33:27]

xzcvczx:

linux

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directhex:

juski, yeah. 115 quid

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sajid:

haha, juski, that was an impressive essay

[07:37:05]

sajid:

i think im going to save that conversation snippet for when ill be setting up multiple FE's in a month or so

[07:37:16]

juski:

quick! somebody put it in the wiki!

[07:37:27]

sajid:

heh

[07:37:27]

juski:

oh, wait.. it's already there (no doubt)

[07:37:31]

sajid:

yeah it is

[07:37:36]

sajid:

i read it there as well earlier, actually

[07:37:43]

sajid:

your was just much more concise

[07:40:48]

juski:

directhex: cheaper 'n' mine anyway. damn guzzling car

[07:41:36]

directhex:

juski, small & japanese. that's how i like 'em!

[07:41:45]

juski:

does the wiki mention how important it is to have different hostnames for all your mythboxen? dunno how many times I've seen people with duplicate hostnames causing bother. D'UH!

[07:42:33]

juski:

directhex: girl at work just got a diahatsu caper. shittest 'sports' car EVER

[07:42:43]

sajid:

i dont remember reading that tidbit, actually, but it doesnt mean it isnt in there

[07:42:51]

clever:

1045_20070228210000.nuv: 916 extents found, perfection would be 6 extents

[07:42:52]

sajid:

it was just a perusal to get an idea of the process

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clever:

found a horibly fragmented nuv file

[07:43:03]

clever:

which isnt in the recorded table in mysql

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x0d_ is now known as x0d

[07:43:08]

clever:

the lost nuv:P

[07:43:29]

clever:

ran 'mythtv' directly on it and its playing fine

[07:43:34]

clever:

episode of mythbusters

[07:43:44]

clever:

which acording to mythweb i dont have any copys of it

[07:43:45]

directhex:

juski, it might be a hairdresser car, but i adore the curves on the mazda mx5. the missus wants a honda s2000

[07:44:21]

clever:

juski: wont the hosts file also do?

[07:44:22]

juski:

this is in the fscking wiki!

[07:44:32]

clever:

i do run a dns server but its in cache only mode atm

[07:44:48]

juski:

there's a reason the field says 'IP ADDRESS'

[07:45:29]

clever:

doesnt lookup the 'ip' thru dns?

[07:45:43]

directhex:

why are people obsessive over DNS?

[07:45:51]

clever:

i was lazy when i made an irc bot in c++ ages ago and it had to take actual ip's because it didnt support dns

[07:45:54]

directhex:

why would myth go out of its way to bypass unix name resolution & only do DNS?

[07:46:03]

Tanthrix:

hostnames are trouble!

[07:46:17]

Tanthrix:

Just another damn thing not to work right.

[07:46:21]

clever:

lol

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Dagmar:

directhex: Huh? Got exactly do you do that?

[07:46:28]

Dagmar:

s/Got/how/;

[07:46:31]

juski:

because it's easier than keeping several config files maintained? once you get it working...

[07:46:35]

clever:

all my linux boxes are on static ip's when at home

[07:46:49]

clever:

so it doesnt realy matter if i use ip or hostname

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devilsclaw:

when i atempt to "watch tv" i get a blank screen, ive tested my video with the comand "mplayer -vo gl2 /dev/video0" and i get flawless performance?

[07:47:04]

directhex:

Dagmar, i don't know! but nsswitch is meant to take care of name resolution. if DNS happens to be one of the things you have enabled, then good for you

[07:47:23]

Tanthrix:

devilsclaw: Check your backend log and see what it's telling you when you try and play

[07:47:25]

directhex:

personally i use wins at home, and ldap at work

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Dagmar:

There is only gethostbynam() and gethostbyaddr() last time I checked

[07:47:35]

juski:

devilsclaw: it's possible you didn't put the right kind of information into mythtv-setup. some error message output will be good if you want anybody to be able to help at all

[07:47:49]

juski:

backend log output!

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Dagmar:

You don't get to pick and choose the mechanism at the application level without being really stupid

[07:48:05]

clever:

mythbackend -v all

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clever:

extra debug output

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directhex:

Dagmar, i know you don't. hence why constantly calling it "DNS" pisses me off

[07:49:15]

Dagmar:

Well, it's faster than typing "name resolutoin

[07:49:22]

Dagmar:

or hostname resolution

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xzcvczx:

is 54mbps wireless fast enough for liveTV?

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clever:

my 802.11 B which is way slower it easyly able to handle tv streams

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Dagmar:

xzcvczx: Provided you're not doing like 1080 and have a lot of microwaves around

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clever:

live or prerecorded

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clever:

at standard def and using mpeg4 with a framegrabber

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: damn may have to turn off the 15microwaves i have cooking my pies at the moment then

[07:50:26]

xzcvczx:

clever: ah ok cool

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sajid:

is 80211g good enough for realtime 720p?

[07:50:41]

clever:

i also have a cisco switch between the wifi router and the other stuff

[07:50:42]

sajid:

or is n necessary? (or will that not work either)

[07:50:52]

clever:

and combined with cacti i can get a bandwidth graph for the wireless

[07:51:05]

xzcvczx:

i have n in the client but only g in the router unfourtunately

[07:51:06]

Tanthrix:

Doesn't 1080i MPEG2 usually top out at 15mbps?

[07:51:12]

clever:

and its allmost allways at 300kbytes/sec usage when watching tv

[07:51:34]

clever:

my router is bg and my laptop is only b

[07:51:42]

juski:

Tanthrix: if you even get 15mbps from yout 54g wireless

[07:51:43]

sajid:

my laptop is G

[07:51:48]

juski:

solidly

[07:51:53]

sajid:

the router is as yet unpurchased

[07:52:22]

directhex:

myth over wireless is mostly about signal stability, not speed

[07:52:33]

juski:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequently_A . . . dings.27_.3F

[07:52:42]

Tanthrix:

juski: Yah. 802.11G pretty much tops out at 22 mbps with the best possible conditions, so that is an issue.

[07:52:43]

clever:

i shut off its dhcp server and set it to an ip in the same lan as the other router

[07:52:50]

Dagmar:

No.

[07:52:56]

sajid:

anyone from central jersey here?

[07:52:59]

Dagmar:

I get momre than 22mbps here

[07:53:00]

sajid:

by Princeton, perchance?

[07:53:15]

juski:

Tanthrix: that's shite then. Count me in as a wireless web browser when i get enabled.. but other than that.. blech!

[07:53:19]

Tanthrix:

Though, looking at my 1080i stuff right now, all of it is around 8mbps, so it would probably work

[07:53:27]

clever:

connecting the lan ports of the 2 up lets wireless clients access the web and lan easily

[07:53:34]

juski:

8mbps mpeg2 1080i? Eeew!

[07:53:44]

gardengnome:

wow

[07:53:49]

devilsclaw:

Tanthrix, i get an error saying "TV error; start recorder() — timed out while waiting for recorder to start"

[07:53:51]

Tanthrix:

It actually doesn't look too bad.

[07:53:59]

gardengnome:

and saw people complaing about 8mbit/s h.264. although that was 1080p

[07:54:04]

clever:

im getting 500–600mb/30mins and arround 900mb/hour on mythtv

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clever:

dont have an exact /sec value

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Dagmar:

juski: "Cezanne and the Rise Of Cubism", only on the Discovery Channel

[07:54:14]

juski:

Tanthrix: I know some SDTV which looks fucking horrible at 10mbits

[07:54:38]

clever:

when i wathced my sdtv on my laptop i could easily see the compression defects

[07:54:49]

clever:

but when playing it back on an actual tv i couldnt see them

[07:54:53]

juski:

properly encoded I imagine it'll look good. but since when is TV properly or carefully encoded?

[07:54:57]

Tanthrix:

juski: Which only proves that many factors come into play with quality, not just bitrate.

[07:55:18]

Tanthrix:

I get the feeling a lot of stuff has been transcoded a few times before it eventually reaches my set

[07:55:20]

juski:

long enough look-ahead in the encoder can help a lot

[07:55:40]

juski:

and multiple encode / decode cycles in the transmission path never help

[07:55:46]

clever:

but a long look ahead means a larger delay in livetv features

[07:55:47]

Tanthrix:

devilsclaw: Never seen that before, check the mailing list

[07:56:02]

clever:

if its looking ahead 30 sec then you have to be atleast 30 seconds behind in livetv stuff

[07:56:21]

juski:

devilsclaw: pasting one line of what YOU think to be the pertinent error isn't really very good. It's all about context here

[07:56:31]

Dagmar:

That's sad. No one got the cubism joke

[07:56:37]

juski:

Dagmar: I got it

[07:56:46]

juski:

it's just not that funny

[07:56:53]

clever:

i didnt even see that line:P

[07:56:55]

juski:

not lol funny

[07:57:13]

gbee:

yeah, I got it Dagmar – but it's too early in the morning ;)

[07:57:33]

juski:

devilsclaw: pastebins are lovely & roomy – space for lots & lots of text for more experienced people to sift through

[07:57:42]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: What do you get over your 802.11G? I've never measured my own since only my gf uses it, but from most people I hear that 22–25 is generally as good as it gets

[07:57:50]

Tanthrix:

(mbps, that is)

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juski:

heheh in the wiki.. "TV out advice for those with ATi cards".. wonder if that links to 48 pt text yelling "go buy a nvidia card"

[07:59:04]

clever:

lol

[07:59:06]

clever:

link?:P

[07:59:08]

sajid:

is setting up a FE on a macbook significantly more difficult than on a linux box?

[07:59:18]

clever:

i cant buy a nvidia and get it to fit in my laptop:P

[07:59:26]

Dagmar:

Tantrix: I can't be 100% certain at the moment, but I know I've seen >40 out of it

[07:59:57]

juski:

sajid: just point it at the right IP addresses & you should be in business

[08:00:33]

clever:

juski: where was that link about ati tv out?

[08:00:45]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: And your sure you're not seeing spikes or measuring with an inaccurate app? Googling now I'm seeing numbers anywhere from 11mbps to 25mbps for maximum sustained throughput

[08:00:50]

juski:

sajid: assuming of course you can access the backend from the network

[08:01:16]

clever:

Tanthrix: ive used telnet into xinetd's chargen port before to get massive ammounts of data transfer

[08:01:29]

clever:

about all it can bottleneck at is the cpu and network

[08:02:08]

Tanthrix:

clever: Huh? I'm talking about 802.11G here...

[08:02:12]

clever:

yeah

[08:02:30]

clever:

on my linux server(wired 100mbps) i enabled chargen in xinetd

[08:02:42]

clever:

then on a win2k laptop with wifi G i used telnet to connect to it

[08:02:51]

clever:

causing a stream of repeating chars to max out the network

[08:03:04]

clever:

and the winblows pc's cpu as it redrew the screen

[08:03:17]

** juski wonders who he'll get a phone call for today.. maybe Mr Isaac ! **

[08:03:28]

clever:

wont depend on hdd bandwidth like streaming tv shows would

[08:03:48]

diamon:

With WEP anyway. Unencrypted is often faster.

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juski:

unencrypted is often pwned faster

[08:04:16]

clever:

depends on if you have hardware or software wep

[08:04:21]

Tanthrix:

clever: What's your point? Do you have some kind of speed to report that you measured that way?

[08:04:29]

clever:

software wep will use up the main cpu in the system and slow it some

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clever:

Tanthrix: my wifi g router had its own port on a cisco switch

[08:04:51]

clever:

so all the trafic had to go thru that

[08:04:53]

diamon:

clever: True, too. I have a WRT54G with original Linksys firmware. Not 'first make' firmware, just Linux-original.

[08:05:04]

clever:

using cacti and snmp i was able to graph the bandwidth usage of that port

[08:05:13]

Tanthrix:

clever: And............................?

[08:05:16]

clever:

knowing that there was a single G client maxing out the wireeless thru that port

[08:05:28]

clever:

i could know that all the graphed bandwidth was the maxed out G wireless

[08:05:39]

devilsclaw:

juski, http://pastebin.ca/490813

[08:05:47]

Tanthrix:

clever: Am I blind and missing some line where you said what speed you measured?

[08:05:52]

** gbee slaps clever for drawing out his story **

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** clever closes his eyes and slaps a person at random and ends up slapping baffle 1 **

[08:05:56]

clever:

ow:P

[08:06:05]

clever:

i forget the exact speed i measured

[08:06:10]

clever:

but the graphs are still in cacti

[08:06:17]

** diamon looks suitably nonplussed. **

[08:06:28]

Tanthrix:

clever: So what the hell was the point of this whole story? (Not trying to be rude, just wondering why you brought it up)

[08:06:39]

clever:

just explaining how to reproduce the test

[08:06:42]

juski:

devilsclaw: that's not the backend log. that's the frontend log. and I'm guessing you're trying to use a Dbox2 :)

[08:06:44]

Tanthrix:

Ahh, I see

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diamon:

Tanthrix: Well, I hope *you* feel enlightened...

[08:07:07]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[08:07:09]

clever:

using netcat > /dev/null would get rid of the cpu bottleneck that my test bad redrawing

[08:07:15]

diamon:

xzc: Whyzzat?

[08:07:18]

clever:

but i didnt have a linux client with G wireless

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** juski hates people who can't be bothered to choose a proper IRC nick.. hey ho **

[08:07:55]

DGnome:

Technotrend premium works fine without a connected CI but when connected, loads of artefacts and mythbackend dies, any ideas?

[08:07:58]

gbee:

no idea what speed I'm getting for WPA encrypted 802.11g – just that it's usually enough for streaming high bitrate SD, for a good distance too

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Tanthrix:

clever: I'm tired and cranky, so just ignore me ;)

[08:08:07]

clever:

lol

[08:08:29]

juski:

DGnome: does it work properly with other apps, like Kaffeine ?

[08:08:34]

gardengnome:

DGnome: it's possible that the cable to the CI is broken. maybe you're getting interference as well. is that an original cable or a longer one?

[08:08:36]

xzcvczx:

diamon: because trying to do something simple like make it so that mythtv can connect from anywhere and everywhere using the default password is driving me dippy

[08:08:52]

juski:

xzcvczx: it's not rocket science

[08:09:07]

DGnome:

gardengnome: longer one that was packaged by technotrend

[08:09:07]

juski:

the docs (!!!!) even tell you how

[08:09:07]

xzcvczx:

juski: it seems to be quantam physics though

[08:09:20]

juski:

the docs (!!!!) even tell you how

[08:09:32]

Tanthrix:

xzcvczx: Are you sure that you aren't starting mysqld in some kind of safe mode? On my mandrake system I spent a thousand years trying to figure out why I couldn't connect remotely even though all the perms were right

[08:09:37]

juski:

and on that _shocking_ revelation, I'll head out to work

[08:09:42]

gardengnome:

DGnome: it should work then. i haven't installed my CI yet... have you searched the linuxtv mailing list?

[08:09:50]

Tanthrix:

xzcvczx: Turned out that the default mysqld init script had a safe mode argument hard coded into it

[08:09:51]

diamon:

gbee: I'm actually trying to convert to using WPA with RADIUS to have proper keys. WPA seems much brighter and (with good keys) far more secure.

[08:10:00]

xzcvczx:

thank you juski

[08:10:01]

Dagmar:

Oh joy, two new versions of libpng

[08:10:09]

gbee:

juski: I remember an argument between two friends of mine in IRC, one using the nick wibble and the other gzd – gzd asked "What sort of nick is wibble?" to which wibble replied "Hey, at least I don't sound like sneeze!"

[08:10:20]

xzcvczx:

juski: was looking in the wiki

[08:11:37]

Tanthrix:

I'm sure this has been asked before, but can I delete the ass load of png files I have in my recordings directory with impunity, or will the db explode?

[08:11:46]

diamon:

The WPA project got delayed by my trying to figure out how to get HD output for this Panasonic under-documented sack-of-feces I have the fortune to own... I know it does HD, but it doesn't seem to have EDID or DCC responses, and I have to guess at it!

[08:12:22]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Come on. By now you know not to ever manually delete anything in there

[08:12:38]

Dagmar:

At some point it'll start hollering about not being able to delete files that don't exist anymore

[08:12:40]

LennonNZ___:

IS anyone using a Haupaange HVR-4000 Card?

[08:12:47]

gbee:

diamon: I just used WPA with a shared key, radius was too much hassle for little benefit – it works well, although I gave up trying to get the debian config right (it *just works* in Mandriva)

[08:12:47]

xzcvczx:

oh crap i think i have done it now and locked myself out of mysql

[08:12:49]

LennonNZ___:

Happauge

[08:12:57]

LennonNZ___:

arghh.. Hauppauge :-)

[08:13:01]

Tanthrix:

I know, I know , but I thought it was worth a try. (In case the pngs were autogenerated and not important or anything

[08:13:02]

clever:

Dagmar: i just manualy deleted a nuv in my myhttv data dir

[08:13:14]

Tanthrix:

I seem to have way, way more PNGs than I do recordings to go with them

[08:13:24]

Dagmar:

clever: I wouldn't have expected any less of you

[08:13:34]

Tanthrix:

clever: And you shall pay THE PRICE.

[08:13:34]

gbee:

Win2K with a Realtek based card also had problems with WPA

[08:13:37]

clever:

Dagmar: the file wasnt referenced in any of the mysql tables:P

[08:13:43]

clever:

it was a lost nuv

[08:13:51]

Dagmar:

Suuuuure

[08:14:02]

clever:

waisting 600mb and unable to be played in mythtv or expired

[08:14:15]

clever:

i played it manualy and it was a show which mythweb claims i dont have

[08:14:41]

devilsclaw:

juski, http://pastebin.ca/490822

[08:14:43]

diamon:

gbee: Realtek cards are the WinModem of the NIC world in my book. I will do just about anything to avoid using them.

[08:14:52]

clever:

lol

[08:15:02]

clever:

half my linux pc's use realtek:P

[08:15:05]

clever:

and i bearly even noticed it

[08:15:23]

Dagmar:

diamon: you would be mistaken.

[08:15:26]

Tanthrix:

I've always been happy with my realtek nics – seem to Just Work with just about everything

[08:15:28]

diamon:

clever: Errgh...

[08:15:44]

clever:

my laptop has a realtek wifi card

[08:15:48]

Tanthrix:

...but then again, these kinds of discussions are utterly pointless. Damn why did I get into this!

[08:15:51]

xzcvczx:

juski: using docs i get you have error in sql syntax

[08:15:51]

Dagmar:

Most people's problem with realtek is that they don't know WTF they're doing and they actually try to use the driver from the little floppy disk that they got with the card

[08:15:57]

clever:

and several of the desktops have pci ones that worked instantly without any fussing

[08:16:07]

clever:

lol

[08:16:12]

Tanthrix:

I'm always bitching and moaning about how no one uses the scientific method to determine any of this stuff, that it's all purely ancedotal, etc..

[08:16:14]

clever:

i didnt even have to think of drivers

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diamon:

Dagmar: The more recent ones are supposed to be more on-chip functional, but many of the older ones did many functions with the assistance of the main CPU. They aren't really winNICs, but that's the best way to refer to them IMHO.

[08:16:40]

clever:

ubuntu seems to have every single kernel module driver on the drive 24/7 waisting a small chunk of disk space

[08:16:50]

clever:

so any device will work instantly when connected

[08:16:53]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Just keep telling them that scientific method is the reason THEY are having to ask YOU things and maybe eventually it'll sink in

[08:17:02]

clever:

aslong as i have the right userspace progs to put it to use

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Dagmar:

diamon: The in-kernel drivers don't appear to support this theory

[08:17:15]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[08:17:42]

Dagmar:

diamon: What functions in particular are you referring to?

[08:18:20]

Tanthrix:

I would *kill* to see google's internal reliability studies on drive brands though

[08:18:59]

Tanthrix:

Since everyone and their dog utterly swears upon pain of death that brand X is absolute worthless shit, while brand Y has worked perfectly forever

[08:19:28]

Tanthrix:

(And just so everyone knows, maxtor is the crappy brand)

[08:19:37]

gbee:

due to loose power here in 45minutes for 2 hours, or so the leccy engineers tell me :(

[08:19:41]

diamon:

Dagmar: Trying to see if I can find any of my own notes from back then. It was an RTL8-series set of cards, I recall.

[08:20:02]

clever:

06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8180L 802.11b MAC (rev 20)

[08:20:33]

clever:

stty: standard input: Invalid argument

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Tanthrix:

Fascinating!

[08:21:02]

clever:

network card from 3 linux boxes which i allready have ssh sessions to

[08:21:14]

clever:

66.6% are realtek:P

[08:23:51]

DGnome:

juski: Kaffeine also shows nothing but artefacts..

[08:24:18]

DGnome:

Is it btw safe to disconnect a CI when the machine is powered?

[08:25:38]

clever:

CI?

[08:25:41]

diamon:

Dagmar: So here I am talking smack and for ONCE I can't remember something precise, and can't find my notes either... The one that I recall was a ping flood from an Intel 100-base card to an 8139 showing high %system and %wait. Darn if I can recall what numbers I had offhand, but it was notably higher than my Tulip or Intel cards showed in the same state.

[08:27:39]

diamon:

You know, I should do a 'random notes' wiki for myself, move my paper notes and stuff into that.

[08:33:07]

deCon:

can someone help me setup and configure myth??? i just installed but am a complete n00b

[08:33:29]

Hugol1:

deCon: hi

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diamon:

And while I was thinking of it, my rt2500 NIC woth drivers from the rt2x00 project folks is using 1% system and minimal %wait. Much better than the USB dongle one I was using recently..

[08:34:01]

gardengnome:

deCon: read the topic in here as well and read the docs at www.mythtv.org

[08:40:56]

DGnome:

clever: Common Interface

[08:41:08]

DGnome:

clever: dvb-stuff

[08:41:15]

clever:

ahhh

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directhex|work:

whoops. forgot they were cutting building power this morning

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DGnome:

gardengnome: the fact that I get "perfect" signal according to czap is freaky and the problems may be PCI-related :/ This box is based on ICH8 family chipsets and will not cooperate with SAA7146 based DVB-boards, symptoms can be described as packetloss...

[08:51:39]

gardengnome:

DGnome: complain to intel? :)

[08:52:15]

gardengnome:

DGnome: i never liked the idea of pushing the whole transport stream through a flimsy ribbon cable very much

[08:54:18]

DGnome:

gardengnome: Will do the complaining part and yes, ribbon cables suck imho

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gardengnome:

DGnome: i'm sorry i can't offer any help. you should talk to the linuxtv guys on their mailing list

[08:57:28]

directhex|work:

i'm not aware of any PCI issues with ICH8. what brand is the board?

[08:59:11]

gardengnome:

i'm surprised as well. intel chipsets should be well-engineered :)

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directhex|work:

gardengnome, these days it seems motherboards are getting worse. there's more to a board than the north/southbridge

[09:06:58]

gardengnome:

there have always been bad mother boards

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gardengnome:

and sometimes, you'd get a bad motherboard with an even worse chipset. *shiver*

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DGnome:

directhex|work: brand is Intel.

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UPNP:

Anyone know if u can get the song title of the active song in mythmusic from the database?

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gardengnome:

if it's made by intel, you really should talk to them. you paid a lot of extra money because of their name ;)

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gbee:

UPNP: no

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gbee:

directhex|work: you're losing power this morning as well? spooky ;)

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juski:

UPNP: you after something like last.fm lameness for mythmusic? oh dear oh dear

[09:27:12]

juski:

DGnome: so if Kaffeine is giving you issues, there's something wrong with either your hardware or the drivers

[09:31:39]

juski:

anyway.. g'morny all!

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gardengnome:

"g'morny" indeed.

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Dagmar:

Well, crap

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Dagmar:

Looks like it's time to do another pull of 0.20-fixes

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gbee:

repeat after me, "backtrace"

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gbee:

still waiting for the power to go out 45 minutes after they said it would

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gbee:

suppose I should just get on with work rather than waiting for it to happen

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AndyCap:

gbee: you could've gone and bought a ups in 45 minutes. :P

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DGnome:

juski: ohh.. nice

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DGnome:

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directhex|work:

that's dreadful reception, though IIRC some adapters give numbers in reverse

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DGnome:

directhex|work: ber and unc says that there are no uncorrected bits

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DGnome:

or even errored bits

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DGnome:

soo..

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Blastur:

hello

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juski:

directhex|work: bingo :)

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Blastur:

is mythtv suitable for me if I only want to use it for playing movies? especially mkv-contained h.264 encoded material.. I do not wish to use the PVR-features at all

[10:26:23]

juski:

DGnome: 005e is probably pretty good if your signal level goes to FFFF when you unplug the dish :)

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Merlin83b:

It's overkill, Blastur.

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juski:

Blastur: freevo, geexbox

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DGnome:

juski: have to check that ^^

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Blastur:

ok, thanks

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juski:

Blastur: see also Elisa. that SO isn't a PVR either. just another lame media player :)

[10:29:07]

juski:

heheh Elisa DoesLittle :-P

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UPNP:

How does mythmusic know what song title to display in the player? I need to extract a currentplaying title from somewere? can anyone helpe?

[10:35:01]

UPNP:

Can this be done in the database, or somewere else?

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juski:

UPNP: you've already been told NO

[10:40:37]

juski:

mythmusic gets the track info from the database but no data about the currently playing track is held other than in memory

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juski:

to get currently playing info for whatever application you're trying to do – you need to change mythmusic's code to allow you to see it

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juski:

it _might_ be possible to get it from the telnet interface

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gardengnome:

um

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gardengnome:

maybe you can get it from that lcdproc interface

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slaine_:

ah, lcdproc

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slaine_:

that takes me back a few years

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xzcvczx:

libdvdcss is what allows you to watch encrypted dvds?

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directhex|work:

yes

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directhex|work:

i mean, no. a valid license from the dvd licensing authority is.

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xzcvczx:

directhex|work: haah

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Dagmar:

Good recovery.

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Dagmar:

heh

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xzcvczx:

grrrr the osx-packager.pl doesnt seem to include dvdcss properly

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directhex|work:

that's because it's illegal :o

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xzcvczx:

directhex|work: thats a bit like in nz how if the cops wanted to have fun everyone up til end of last year who had an mp3 player with music on it was breaking the law here

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xzcvczx:

and 99% probably are now

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** juski is a lawbreaker **

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juski:

dan dan dada dan da da da da dan... breakin da law breakin da law breakin da law!

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Dibblah:

<GASP>

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Dibblah:

In a logged channel, too.

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juski:

I didn't admit _how_ I break the law

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hads:

Not only MP3, any format shifting was considered copywrite infringement in NZ.

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Aquahallic:

mornin' folks

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juski:

actually the drive in this morning was so infuriating I gave every traffic camera the finger

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xzcvczx:

well that too hads but mp3 players are an awesome example

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xzcvczx:

juski: did any of them snap ya :P

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hads:

xzcvczx: Indeed. You from NZ?

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xzcvczx:

ya

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hads:

Cool

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xzcvczx:

oh an aussie

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Dibblah:

"Amazing things these new speed cameras" – Drop the dead donkey ;)

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hads:

xzcvczx: Na, I'm from Timaru.

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xzcvczx:

well you live in aussie now then?

[11:00:32]

hads:

Nope. Just on IRC from a server in .au

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xzcvczx:

ah ok'

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directhex|work:

hads, under UK law format shifting is illegal

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Dibblah:

directhex|work: Apparently, untrue now.

[11:01:29]

Dibblah:

We have "fair use" in the UK.

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directhex|work:

Dibblah, no, we don't

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Dagmar:

Pfft. We have "fair use" here in the US but the fuckers still sue people.

[11:01:58]

directhex|work:

Dibblah, all we have is a promise from the BPI not to sue

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hads:

I don't know what's with the copwrite law here now. I'd be surprised if anyone did.

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hads:

Maybe if I ignore it it will go away :)

[11:02:23]

Dagmar:

You can have your "fair use" rights, you're just not actually allowed to _use_ them.

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xzcvczx:

its changing as we speak hads

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directhex|work:

there is no fair use in the uk. anyone who thinks there is spends too much time on us-centric websites

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Dibblah:

Hmmm. I remember having this discussion a while back, with me arguing that fair-use didn't exist ;)

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xzcvczx:

grrrrrr damn encyption...... always the legit stuff that you buy which causes more issues that the stuff you download off p2p websites

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directhex|work:

Dibblah, then your opponents spent too much time on slashdot

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juski:

oh christ on a bike! not the UK copyright subject again. the law is said to have changed by some, only it hasn't YET

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Dibblah:

juski: Here. Have a free chill pill ;)

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directhex|work:

xzcvczx, that's the idea of Digital Consumer Enablement. ensuring paying customers get the shaft

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juski:

Dibblah: I'll have some cannabis instead since that's been made as legal as ripping CDs :)

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gbee:

fair use does exist for some media, but I've no idea how it applies to music/film etc in this country

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directhex|work:

tee hee @ juski

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UPNP:

Well i solved it in the database, so yeah it was possible. With a little help from java

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juski:

java? teh evils

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juski:

UPNP: so what are you gonna use it for?

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directhex|work:

there are explicitly permitted provisions. there's no blanket "do what you feel like but don't take the piss" fair use

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UPNP:

we are doing about theses in computer sience and we are making a mobil application utelizing upnp to stream and control mythmusic

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gbee:

directhex|work: all depends on your definition of 'fair use' then :)

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UPNP:

about = our

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juski:

UPNP: so which column is the currently playing track kept in then?

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quicksilver:

directhex|work: we do more of less have 'fair use'

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juski:

for sfuture reference..

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quicksilver:

directhex|work: it's just called 'fair dealing' in the statute

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quicksilver:

(I think that was the terminology)

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Dibblah:

And it only applies to newsclips.

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Dibblah:

Thanks for playing! :)

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directhex|work:

cake for Dibblah!

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UPNP:

its a ducktape sulutin but it works, just need to stress test it now: we compare timestamps and the lastplay colum

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gbee:

shouldn't controlling mythmusic using upnp, actually use upnp rather than directly accessing the database?

[11:11:40]

directhex|work:

quack quack

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directhex|work:

i still haven't made myth's upnp support actually do anything. i'm wondering what it's meant to do

[11:12:18]

Dibblah:

directhex|work: Depends on your device.

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UPNP:

yeah, u should but we are trying to keep the upnp streamin to just the music. We are having problems with the resourses in the mobile

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Dibblah:

And there's still an outstanding (in both ways) patch to enable auto-config frontends.

[11:12:56]

Dibblah:

UPNP: So you're using Java?!?!? ;)

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UPNP:

hehe, yeah unfortunatly

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directhex|work:

i haven't done the random-patching thing with myth. i probably should, it works for me with rockbox

[11:13:17]

juski:

hence the lack of resources!

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juski:

I saw a well written, efficient bit of java once

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UPNP:

java was a criteria of the theses

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** directhex|work drops a 500lb gorilla on juski **

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juski:

directhex|work: java sucks

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directhex|work:

juski, java's full of stupid. i spent most of my undergrad degree with it

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UPNP:

java is okei if u plan the program well

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juski:

there's the rub! if you plan the program well, and code it well...

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UPNP:

hehe

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Dibblah:

UPNP: And ignore the provided garbage collector.

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UPNP:

good point

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** directhex|work won't admit what his language of choice is, lest he be eaten **

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Dibblah:

intercal?

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juski:

I think it's much easier to write bad code which brings powerful machines to their knees with java

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** juski suspects VB or .NET **

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Dibblah:

Sametime, for example.

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Dibblah:

Ahem. I didn't just say that.

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directhex|work:

malbolge!

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directhex|work:

no, wait, it's c#

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quicksilver:

Piet is the only language worth of serious consideration

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directhex|work:

there are a lot of factors when choosing a language. given the things i do, performance-critical isn't an issue, which leaves me with my pick of high-level languages

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directhex|work:

tee hee, that's sorta cool

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juski:

hmm where else can we plug that we're showing mythtv at LRL ?

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directhex|work:

#lugradio !

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juski:

got a lukewarm response on digg.. as expected. users list just don't G.A.F. ...

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directhex|work:

digg's a funny beast

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juski:

like er.. does the mythtv community actually give a shite?

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Dibblah:

No.

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Dibblah:

"It works for me" ;)

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juski:

buckfastards

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juski:

yeah I've got this feeling nobody in the UK IT press will be interested since mythtv crashes if you try to bend it round a spinning cube

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directhex|work:

linux format?

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juski:

after the drubbing I gave them about the lying mythtv article the printed? that'd be funny

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juski:

good call though

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directhex|work:

they're a bloody linux mag. they're likely to get worse daily from autistic beardy assholes demanding they rename to gnu/linux format

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gbee:

would people mind testing this patch for me? http://pastebin.ca/491014

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juski:

ROFLMAO

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juski:

very true!

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Dibblah:

gbee: Don't do analog :(

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juski:

gbee: my dev box is powered dahhn atm

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juski:

oh yeah and I don't do anal

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juski:

ogue

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Dibblah:

Waaay too close to too much information.

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juski:

but I don't do analogue

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gbee:

yeah, I should point out that the patch is most likely to affect analogue users – so little point DVB/ATSC users testing it

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juski:

and my enter key is crap

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** directhex|work steals juski's enter key, replaces it with a € key **

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Dibblah:

You have a € key?

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Dibblah:

;)

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directhex|work:

altgr-4. but my dad's keyboard has one

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Dibblah:

Err... Yes, I know. I typed it.

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directhex|work:

you could copy/pasted it!

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Dibblah:

Yes, which admittedly made it less obviously funny :(

[11:40:06]

Dibblah:

Eh? Why is Ubnut missing /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so -> libqt-mt.so.3?

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Dibblah:

Careless buggers.

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directhex|work:

soname-free symlinks are part of dev packages

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directhex|work:

libqt3-mt-dev: usr/lib/libqt-mt.so

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directhex|work:

binaries should never be trying to use libraries without a soname, in case of abi changes (e.g. libssl)

[11:45:54]

Dibblah:

Still only Gentoo ships with QT-4. Sheesh, when's the push going to happen?

[11:46:03]

Dibblah:

directhex|work: This is compiling Myth ;)

[11:46:49]

directhex|work:

libqt4-core – Qt 4 core non-GUI functionality runtime library

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directhex|work:

Dibblah, so you should have the devlopment library, in which case you have the symlink

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Dibblah:

As default.

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Dibblah:

Yeah, thanks :)

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directhex|work:

Dibblah, the cheat card is "apt-get build-dep mythtv"

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Dibblah:

I've done that.

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Dibblah:

But that's for a packaged install.

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Dibblah:

... Not source.

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directhex|work:

that's for getting the build dependencies for the mythtv package

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directhex|work:

which will be the same as mythtv non-package

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Dibblah:

Hmm. Okay. It's compiling again anyway :)

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directhex|work:

it's certainly not for installing the packaged mythtv

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directhex|work:

notice the build-dep, i.e. build dependencies

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Dibblah:

Ah. Right.

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directhex|work:

"apt-cache showsrc mythtv" will tell you the build dependencies on the package

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directhex|work:

obviously debhelper isn't a requirement when not building packackages

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gbee:

anyone here running svn head? [13443] or above?

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Dibblah:

13438 :(

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Dibblah:

Hmmm... However, I think I want that change.

[11:59:13]

Dibblah:

The preview generator was a little flaky for me.

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directhex|work:

31763 ilya 25 0 16.5g 8.0g 8784 R 6348 1.4 2648:13 l502.exe

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directhex|work:

anyone seen 6400% cpu usage before?

[12:08:37]

fryfrog:

ahhaha, no but i have seen 200% usage :)

[12:11:36]

Dagmar:

Hmm...

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Dagmar:

1502.exe? No, that's not a suspicious looking filename at all

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Dagmar:

directhex: My lil' bro used to cause that sort of thing on the HP/UX frame at his college by opening his mail spool

[12:12:31]

Dagmar:

It was about 480Mb in size

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, suspicious how?

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Dagmar:

directhex: when have we ever needed to name files *.exe?

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, ask gaussian inc

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fryfrog:

blech :/

[12:13:14]

Dagmar:

Gaussian who?

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fryfrog:

some of the devs here name shit ".exe" and then use it on windows

[12:13:20]

fryfrog:

er, i mean our linux boxes

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juski:

wtf is the â¬â¬ key?

[12:13:35]

fryfrog:

its right below â¬

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** directhex|work smacks juski with UTF-8 **

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juski:

WTF-8 more like

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juski:

?

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** juski searches on how to disable the heresy that is WTF-8 **

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directhex|work:

juski, it's a euro character. and if you saw a-hat nonsense it';s already disabled#

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Dagmar:

charset-lol6^6–1

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juski:

ah

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** juski renames it UTF-hate **

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juski:

if you can't beat em..

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directhex|work:

€ ?

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gbee:

juski can't s?? th? ?uro symbol?

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juski:

still can't.. and I enabled wtf charset

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juski:

ach well

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juski:

irssi ftw :(

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directhex|work:

utf-friendly terminal app, system charset, and irssi?

[12:22:06]

directhex|work:

atill getting a-hat?

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juski:

ahh

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juski:

set putty to use wtf-hate :)

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directhex|work:

jms@osc-bigmac:~$ echo $LANG

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directhex|work:

en_GB.UTF-8

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juski:

pric€l€ss :)

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Dagmar:

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directhex|work:

stop messing with juski. it's mean!

[12:24:12]

Dagmar:

I _almost_ wanna relog and see if the Freenode servers emit a charset spec

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fryfrog:

don't do it, its suicide!!!

[12:24:33]

juski:

I'm beyond messing with

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Dagmar:

Oh no you're not

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juski:

i.e. I can't get any more fucked up

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directhex|work:

if it does, it's violating the IRC spec

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directhex|work:

which explicitly doesn't specify a charset

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Dagmar:

I could show you a support email on a site I (almost troll) where someone took blurry pictures of their problem.

[12:25:20]

Dagmar:

They can't use their Memory Stick Pro Duo with their MicroSD card adapter

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Dagmar:

Photos of them actually inserted into each other.

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directhex|work:

to be fair, there are far too many memory card formats

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but microSd is less than a cm square, and maybe 1mm thick.

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Dagmar:

Sony memstick, about um, 3mm thick, and 4cm by 2cm

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Dagmar:

Suffice it to say the guy *found* a way to insert it

[12:27:08]

Dagmar:

Looks like he pried it open and just wedged it in there

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Dagmar:

Showing him *that* would be messing with him

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juski:

somebody I used to work with managed to wedge an AGP card into a PCI slot. that was funny

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Dagmar:

I settled for asking for photos with a better camera so they'd be in focus

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Dagmar:

Those will fit fine, they just won't reach the back of the case because they're facing hte wrong way

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directhex|work:

i hear that once... someone got chocolate in their peanut butter!

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Dagmar:

The question is, did they have to use a hammer to drive it throught the lid of the jar?

[12:30:20]

Zider:

I serviced a PC once with thermal paste on the CPU socket.. and none between CPU and cooler.. :P

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Dagmar:

lol

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Zider:

it's sad what some people do..

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tzanger:

haha

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tzanger:

I could see using EJC there, but thermal paste is not electrically conductive. :-)

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** directhex|work smears Zider with diaelectric grease **

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directhex|work:

tzanger, depends on the paste

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juski:

0071876: NUKESTUB: assert fail, log file & line to RTC memory

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juski:

0071876: ASSERT FAIL: <Thread: EXEC_T6> <File: abort.cxx > <Line: 85>

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juski:

<Func: void abort()

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juski:

crap

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Dagmar:

Yay arctic silver

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tzanger:

I don't think I've ever seen electrically conductive thermal paste

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tzanger:

(DISCLAIMER: I am an electrical engineer, and owrk in power electronics)

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juski:

everything's conductive eventully :)

[12:33:21]

tzanger:

hahaha

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Dagmar:

This is why you don't slather arctic silver across the microtraces away from the core

[12:33:41]

tzanger:

ahh arctic silver contains silver... that would cause it to conduct to some degree

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directhex|work:

tzanger, most "pc enthusiast" pastes are conductive

[12:34:05]

directhex|work:

due to silver content mainly

[12:34:06]

tzanger:

although they claim it is not electrically conductive

[12:34:14]

tzanger:

http://www.arcticsilver.com/as3.htm

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directhex|work:

white ceramic goop obviously isn't conductive

[12:34:25]

tzanger:

only conductive in a thin layer under extreme pressure

[12:35:04]

directhex|work:

"While it is not electrically conductive, the compound is very slightly capacitive and could potentially cause problems if it bridges two close-proximity electrical paths."

[12:35:11]

directhex|work:

"Contains 99.9% pure silver"

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quicksilver:

I imagine they mean, that the silver it contains is pure

[12:35:37]

quicksilver:

not that it, itself, is 99.9% silver

[12:35:38]

tzanger:

quicksilver: indeed

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quicksilver:

otherwise it would not be very 'pasty' :)

[12:35:59]

Dagmar:

It'll "uberclock" a CPU in a hurry tho

[12:36:01]

tzanger:

ok I have to get back to work, I've been spending farrrrrrrrr too much time on myth during working hours over the past few days :-)

[12:36:25]

tzanger:

ssh and port forwarding is likely a cuase for more lost productivity than the web itself

[12:36:31]

directhex|work:

quicksilver, tried using arctic silver 5? the stuff's horribly solid! :p

[12:36:34]

tzanger:

all the smart people working on personal projects from the office :-)

[12:36:56]

juski:

yeah we've spent way too many hours helping noobs get mythtv worky when all they needed to do was RTFM

[12:37:00]

** directhex|work is waiting for a phone call from an sgi engineer **

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tzanger:

screw arctic silver. I mill the face of my processor to 0.5mil. :-)

[12:37:16]

tzanger:

juski: hey, I resemble that remark!

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directhex|work:

tzanger, phase change!

[12:39:31]

directhex|work:

dear IS350, please send data down both fibres. love directhex

[12:39:58]

tzanger:

directhex|work: heh

[12:40:10]

juski:

thermal pastes go through phase changes? thought that was just for heatpipes & the likes

[12:40:26]

directhex|work:

the failover works perfectly though!

[12:40:33]

juski:

sublimation ftw!

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directhex|work:

juski, vapochill! proper phase-change cooling!

[12:48:35]

juski:

bloody hell! http://www2.asetek.com/default.asp?showPage=s . . . entSection=2

[12:49:16]

Dagmar:

It goes from the squishy phase to the dried-out and crumbly phase.

[12:49:23]

Dagmar:

Doesn't that count for something?

[12:53:51]

directhex|work:

juski, bloody hell at what specifically?

[12:54:12]

juski:

directhex|work: vapochill micro :)

[12:54:12]

directhex|work:

(you linked a frameset)

[12:54:57]

tzanger:

p is a pointer and initialized to NULL. if(!p && (p = calloc(1,100)) { couldn't allocate p }

[12:54:59]

directhex|work:

apparently it's a substandard heatpipe cooler, nothing more

[12:55:17]

tzanger:

if p == NULL, that second part of the if statement won't execute

[12:55:24]

tzanger:

if statements are evaluated left-to-right, right?

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quicksilver:

if it were 'if (p &&' then you'd be right

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Dagmar:

heh

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quicksilver:

but it isn't, it's 'if (!p && '

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tzanger:

hmm

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quicksilver:

&& short-circuits on false, not true

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quicksilver:

|| short-circuits on true :)

[12:58:23]

tzanger:

right

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tzanger:

so !p evaluates true

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quicksilver:

if p is NULL then !p is true, so the && does not short circuit

[12:58:45]

quicksilver:

and the calloc will be executed

[12:58:48]

tzanger:

and then the p=calloc() will work

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tzanger:

yes you're right

[12:58:54]

tzanger:

but

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juski:

directhex|work: point being it's lighter than a lot of heatpipes apparently

[12:59:11]

Dagmar:

...but you're coding to Microsoft standards?

[12:59:15]

tzanger:

if(!p && !(p=calloc(...))) { ... }

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juski:

I remember my zalman flower.. almost broke my motherboard

[12:59:38]

tzanger:

so if p is null it'll try calloc'ing, and if p is still null, it'll do that

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directhex|work:

juski, zalman flowers rock. they're pretty!

[12:59:41]

tzanger:

er it'll execute

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tzanger:

nevermind

[12:59:47]

tzanger:

my mind is broken, not hte code

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quicksilver:

right :)

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directhex|work:

juski, and it takes a lot more than a 900g cooler to snap a board

[13:00:16]

juski:

yeah but CPUs aren't recommended to take much more than 500g load

[13:00:41]

juski:

maybe better now that cpus have more surface area on top

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gbee:

900g? f'ing hell!

[13:01:18]

tzanger:

I like the new (AM2 and Pentium heatsink mounts

[13:01:28]

juski:

gbee: yeah with a 12cm fan :)

[13:01:31]

tzanger:

nice sturdy metal bracket underneath

[13:01:44]

tzanger:

heatsink bolted to bracket through springs

[13:01:45]

Dagmar:

This is why they make those mounts that go on the underside of the board

[13:02:02]

quicksilver:

yeah, my humble zalman flower has a mount

[13:02:08]

quicksilver:

that takes the weight off the CPU

[13:02:12]

quicksilver:

looks purty, too

[13:03:05]

gbee:

makes me wonder what my old dragon orb weighs, that was a big old chunk of copper

[13:03:18]

directhex|work:

gbee, the zalman 6500 in full copper was 900g

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Dagmar:

It's not about how much your cooler weighs

[13:03:53]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, lies!

[13:03:55]

juski:

just wondering if I could ever make use of my LC02 case with a fast CPU & cool it silently

[13:04:22]

tzanger:

I have an LC19, I had to actually buy a 1U AM2 heatsink+blower, then pull the 70mm blower off

[13:04:30]

tzanger:

and use a nice silent fan that the mb speed controls

[13:04:35]

juski:

directhex|work: fast enough to play h.264 HDTV in linux!

[13:05:00]

gbee:

Dagmar: lost the tip of a finger to the dragon orb, (well the skin off the tip)

[13:05:00]

directhex|work:

juski, sounds like a job for a vapochill'd cpu at 5ghz

[13:05:12]

directhex|work:

passive coolers are nonviolent!

[13:05:22]

gbee:

serves me right for not looking where I was putting my hand

[13:05:30]

juski:

directhex|work: vapochill sounds noisy, big & f'ing expensive

[13:05:43]

directhex|work:

juski, erm... yes. but teh clocks!!!!!11!

[13:05:49]

juski:

and blingy.. blue LEDs :(

[13:05:56]

Dagmar:

gbee: OH! They're basically the same design

[13:06:08]

Dagmar:

I think the second fan is meant to puree the parts the top fan chops off

[13:06:11]

juski:

oh I forgot to say it all has to fit in the same box the silverstone LC02

[13:06:23]

directhex|work:

who remembers the Thermoengine cooler?

[13:06:35]

tzanger:

I think I have a bit of a heat problem with my mythfrontend in the lc19

[13:06:43]

tzanger:

it doesn't *feel* hot but every now and again it seems to do funny things

[13:06:50]

juuva:

new HP blade fan-units are quite nice.. about 20k rpm if I remember correctly – chops about everything youll manage to thow there

[13:07:02]

tzanger:

and rebooting it with shutdown or reboot causes it to hang in BIOS

[13:07:05]

tzanger:

power off/on and it works again

[13:07:22]

directhex|work:

tzanger, mobo brand?

[13:07:32]

tzanger:

Asus M2NPV-VM

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directhex|work:

asus strike again ¬_¬

[13:08:21]

gbee:

http://www.hardcoreware.net/image.php?src=752&ts=1044026886

[13:08:30]

gbee:

http://www.hardcoreware.net/image.php?src=751&ts=1044026886

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tzanger:

directhex|work: ? I've never had trouble with asus before

[13:08:55]

** gbee either **

[13:08:56]

tzanger:

gbee: heh looks like a deep-fryer

[13:09:07]

directhex|work:

tzanger, they used to be well-respected. but i'd never buy another

[13:09:21]

juski:

asus..looks too much like anus

[13:09:33]

tzanger:

hahaha

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juski:

suna.. now there's a name that would trip off the tongue

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gbee:

actually, I lie, I did have trouble after about three years with an Asus mobo – it was one of those caught up in the Korean Caps mess

[13:10:43]

directhex|work:

my best motherboard was a small-name brand. i've generally had good success with small-name motherboards

[13:11:36]

gbee:

otherwise Asus/Abit are usually my first choice for things – my laptop is Asus (they also make some Vaio models for Sony)

[13:12:26]

directhex|work:

they make a lot. they're one of the four major laptop ODMs

[13:13:03]

directhex|work:

and i got my call back from SGI. a UK-based engineer, a direct-line email address, and the beginnings of a problem diagnosis back-and-forth. good sign

[13:14:44]

juski:

I swear by Gigabyte – never had any issues with their boards other than one badcaps episode

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directhex|work:

the bad caps thing was pretty much universal. i don't hold that against companies

[13:15:18]

directhex|work:

support flaws and moronic engineering on the other hand...

[13:15:39]

juski:

I got some guy to buy me 'a' motherboard once. came back with a pc chips board. I shrugged & found it to be singularly THE worst board I've ever seen

[13:15:56]

directhex|work:

well, that's not to be unexpected. pc chips ARE the worst out there

[13:15:56]

Dagmar:

You didn't use it to kill him with?

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Dagmar:

Yep.

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directhex|work:

ECS have been getting better, asus have been sinking

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directhex|work:

MSI and DFI do reasonable design but haver massive quality control issues

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Dagmar:

There's lots of arguments about which manufacturer is "best", but it's pretty much universally accepted that PCChips is 100% shite.

[13:16:35]

directhex|work:

tee hee, true

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directhex|work:

i'd always get a small-name brand mobo given the option. the option isn't always there though

[13:16:55]

Dagmar:

ECS has their stuff made by the same factory as PC Chips, but they don't let them pick the parts to use

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juski:

are foxconn any good? keep seeing their name come up in the 'cheapo' lists

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Dagmar:

They are cheap.

[13:18:17]

Dagmar:

...but not as bad as PCChips

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directhex|work:

foxconn are huge, just nobody realises it

[13:18:27]

juski:

yeah but gigabyte have cheap boards too

[13:18:54]

directhex|work:

they make the LGA755 socket assemblies on all intel boards, for example

[13:19:27]

juski:

connector manufacturer ventures into motherboard manufacture shock!

[13:20:01]

directhex|work:

they do a lot of the background stuff, ODM things and so on. moving into motherboards is logical enough

[13:20:18]

directhex|work:

the boards are cheap and supposedly functional, no personal experience with them

[13:20:43]

juski:

I'm never after out & out performance. I don't compare benchmarks of motherboards

[13:21:18]

directhex|work:

no, benchmarks are an irrelevance. it's about engineering & functionality

[13:21:42]

directhex|work:

no retarded errors like "press f1 to continue" when using a usb keyboard if windows doesn't deinitialize usb properly (i.e. windows crashes)

[13:24:27]

Dagmar:

No trying to boot from a printer with a memory card in it?

[13:24:40]

Dagmar:

That would be a DELL f'up, by the way

[13:25:06]

directhex|work:

there are always lots of screwups in motherboard design

[13:25:23]

directhex|work:

i've still not met a big-name board without problems

[13:25:38]

DGnome:

tell me about ut.. always something wrong with motherboards

[13:26:15]

DGnome:

just like playing the lottery, win some, loose even more

[13:26:38]

directhex|work:

i'm livid with asus at the moment

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Dagmar:

A8V?

[13:27:21]

Dagmar:

I'm kinda starting to see the ASUS/ASRock split as a way for the ASRock people to escape

[13:28:11]

directhex|work:

p5wdg2

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directhex|work:

asus differentiate themselves with some fascinating hardware designs, then COMPLETELY fuck up the bios in ways you can't possibly imagine

[13:29:13]

directhex|work:

multiple kernel oopses per day. bad kernel driver? no, just the asus bios on my board mangling all data going to & fro from the onboard networking

[13:29:29]

directhex|work:

no cpu frequency scaling because those half-wits can't write a valid DSDT

[13:29:34]

Dagmar:

Oh THAT model

[13:29:38]

directhex|work:

it goes on. i'm pissed

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Pryon:

Hahaha. This box is running on that mobo. Things settled down after turning off frequency scaling

[13:30:23]

Pryon:

The room is hot, but at least the machine's not locking up

[13:30:26]

directhex|work:

Pryon, p5wdg2 covers a lot of boards. the p5wdg2-ws is special

[13:30:42]

Pryon:

Oh. I thought you were talking about A8V

[13:31:10]

** Pryon crawls back under his rock **

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directhex|work:

asus have done some great board designs. the pc-dl. the p5wdg2-ws and ws pro. the m2n32-ws pro.

[13:31:36]

directhex|work:

but they can't do bioses. the thousand-monkeys principle applies.

[13:33:49]

directhex|work:

abit lost all their great engineers to dfi years ago – except dfi's amateurish business practices mean nothing good coming out of there after their popular-but-unreliable nf4 kit

[13:34:31]

directhex|work:

and none of the small taiwanese players are doing boards with interesting ideas. aopen are probably the best manufacturer out there now by virtue of doing thins that are vaguely interesting

[13:35:01]

directhex|work:

like the snappily-named i945GTt-VFA

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Dagmar:

They need another hurricane to liven things up down there

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directhex|work:

they need SOMETHING

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directhex|work:

god, it's hard enough buying a board that isn't gigabyte, asus, abit or msi

[13:39:13]

directhex|work:

lame, lame, lame, lame. let's see chaintech, soyo, albatron, soltek, biostar, and that bunch get a thirst for life again

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rktboy:

hello all...

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juski:

let's see a motherboard with enough real PCI slots to make a nifty backend :)

[13:56:13]

juski:

or hell – even built-in tv tuners :)

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juski:

embed a pvr500 or dual dvb tuner onto a mainboard with tvout :)

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rktboy:

juski : just out of curiosity how many tuners would make a nifty backend?

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directhex|work:

juski, and what type of tuner?

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juski:

rktboy: it'd take more than 2 PCI slots

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rktboy:

so any mb with 4 pci and 2 pcix16 slots...

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juski:

finding a board with more than 2 or 3 PCI slots nowadays is a rarity

[13:57:30]

directhex|work:

more PCI slots isn't that bad an idea – there's enough demand for them these days even amongst windows users

[13:57:35]

sid3windr:

and what are real pci slots? :p

[13:57:41]

juski:

non pci-e

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directhex|work:

sid3windr, not pcie

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sid3windr:

ah.

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juski:

we don't need yo fscking SLI bullshit

[13:58:14]

sid3windr:

why, actually – hauppauge could just make a pvr500 in a pcie 1x slot

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Dagmar:

they're what came immediately after VLB

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sid3windr:

Dagmar: so my pvr500 isn't in a real pci slot then, eh :p

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Dagmar:

What, you have it in a PCIe slot then?

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sid3windr:

no, in a pci-x slot

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directhex|work:

sid3windr has a p5wdg2-ws?

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sid3windr:

a what? :)

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juski:

gbee: I think I might buy a USB dvb stick & see if we can get it worky at lrl :)

[14:00:30]

rktboy:

pci-x *is* a pci

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sid3windr:

hmm, looks like asus

[14:00:43]

directhex|work:

you know sticking a pci card in a pci-x slot limits all devices on that pci-x bus to regular 33mhz pci speeds, right?

[14:00:45]

rktboy:

pci-x allows for a 64bit pci card to be incerted

[14:00:47]

sid3windr:

rktboy: of course it is, just more bits and clock. otherwise it wouldn't work ;)

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sid3windr:

directhex|work: no problemo

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rktboy:

lol

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juski:

we could still hire somewhere & have a blimmin mythfest

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sid3windr:

board has 3 pci buses

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rktboy:

just wondering but what's with the SLI hatin?

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directhex|work:

it's largely pointless for those of us on linux. there aren't any linux games that aren't fine with a single card

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rktboy:

really?

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rktboy:

so none of Id software's games benefit from this?

[14:16:02]

directhex|work:

not enough to worry about

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rktboy:

hm...

[14:16:12]

rktboy:

have you tried it?

[14:16:17]

rktboy:

and measured it?

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Zider:

maybe if you play at 3000x2000 ;)

[14:16:24]

directhex|work:

quake 4 was playable on max settings in a silly resolution with a single 6000-series card

[14:16:46]

rktboy:

playable or enjoyable?

[14:17:03]

Zider:

directhex|work: if you're a "pro gamer", playable equals slowashell

[14:17:40]

directhex|work:

if you're a pro gamer, you don't run linux. and i'm saying this as the author of one of the most successful gaming-on-linux articles on the net

[14:17:42]

rktboy:

even just a gamer...

[14:18:02]

Zider:

I know some pro gamers running linux

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rktboy:

I was just wondering is all...since both doom3 and quake4 seem to have better framerates though I've not measured them as of yet so I thought I'd ask :)

[14:18:50]

Zider:

rktboy: it's playable but not fully enjoyable.. imo..

[14:19:01]

rktboy:

dw : which article?

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directhex|work:

google for "linux gaming", click the 7th hit.

[14:19:22]

rktboy:

ok...I kinda hate it when the game stutters and you end up dead :)

[14:19:31]

rktboy:

thanks...will read

[14:19:32]

Zider:

directhex|work: linuxgames.com?

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directhex|work:

that would be the 1st hit

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Zider:

nope, 7th in my hits

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directhex|work:

my annoyance is things have gotten worse in the 2 years since i wrote the article

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rktboy:

lol

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kslater:

xris – ping

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: howso?

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directhex|work:

TSCHAKWerk, how many big-name linux game releases have there been since march 2005?

[14:21:57]

TSCHAKWerk:

......

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TSCHAKWerk:

none.

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directhex|work:

there's quake 4

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TSCHAKWerk:

everything has basically been an afterthought.

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directhex|work:

there's the horribly unplayable serious sam 2 beta

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TSCHAKWerk:

when Loki went out of business, my heart sunk.

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Zider:

directhex|work: there's a beta released?

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directhex|work:

open source games are almost universally rubbish

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TSCHAKWerk:

because they did an awesome job at porting.

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: most of them, yeah.

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TSCHAKWerk:

bzflag is very playable, ... ugly, but playable.

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kslater:

bzflag gameplay is the key

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rktboy:

i must agree, there was a time that even AA played natively on linux...now you need to wrestle with an emulator

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rktboy:

which is what my dual boot is for...

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TSCHAKWerk:

it's too bad that everybody else kicks my ass in bzflag

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Zider:

rktboy: AA?

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TSCHAKWerk:

"OH YAY, I'M BACK!! BLAM BLAM! OH YAY, I'M DEAD!!!"

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directhex|work:

anyone who reads my articles can see i'm not anti-linux by any stretch of the imagination, but so many linux games are junk

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directhex|work:

Zider, america's army

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directhex|work:

unrealengine2, freeware

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Zider:

never heard of it.. :P

[14:26:29]

directhex|work:

a big fat advergame

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: i've done game coding/design before, it's _HARD_ to create a game that people love to play.

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: it's part of why i do 2600 hacking, because you can't do good graphics, you HAVE TO CONCENTRATE ON GAMEPLAY.

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directhex|work:

TSCHAKWerk, coding is easy. there are a billion open source engines out there. the problem is an inherent lack of basic game design principles in every open source game out there

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: yup.

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directhex|work:

TSCHAKWerk, the majority of people writing these games for linux say "i don't play games (well i had a snes fifteen years ago) but..."

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: yup.

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gbee:

Zider: was created on behalf of the US army in order to drive up recruitment rates, the idea being that kids would play the game and decide they wanted to join the army

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Zider:

:P

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rktboy:

lol

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juski:

killing people rocks!

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directhex|work:

TSCHAKWerk, if the mod community could be made to focus on open source engines, to create standalone open source games, that'd be different

[14:28:42]

directhex|work:

TSCHAKWerk, there are some great mods for commercial games

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: one of the most playable games I ever played, was Lucasfilm's very first game they ever released... Ballblazer.. dirt simple graphics, but it played FANTASTIC and it was fast paced, break neck, awesome.

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juski:

is there a mod for a game with #mythtv-users?

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: indeed.

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directhex|work:

juski, you are in a maze of twisty config screens, all alike

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TSCHAKWerk:

but that's the point...

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gbee:

it's telling that the US Army saw any connection between a computer game and being a Soldier

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: you are likely to be eaten by a disgruntled grubie.

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juski:

I'll always be against SLI & shite like that. Like £400 VGA cards

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juski:

"but I get 4000000000 frags/sec!".. "and I have an allertgy o daylight"

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: i meant, the design, the playability IS the point

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: it takes me a few weeks of intense 6502 coding to build a game on the 2600...

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juski:

show me a recent game that isn't just another fscking linear FPS

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: it takes me 6 MONTHS to fine tune it, and do the gameplay just right.

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directhex|work:

TSCHAKWerk, it's about more than the raw gameplay concepts. it's the entire presentation. the tiny details are greater than the sum of their parts

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directhex|work:

juski, okami for ps2

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: exactly.

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gbee:

SLI is a massive joke, it was originally invented by the VooDoo guys when they realised that they had no more ideas after inventing their original GPU – so what else, but stick two cards together? Genius!

[14:31:51]

TSCHAKWerk:

but i feel that even the basic ideas of making something FUN TO PLAY, have been thrown out the window.

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directhex|work:

gbee, to be fair, it worked

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TSCHAKWerk:

i mean, jesus christ, to play a game today

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Zider:

GTA Vice city is fun to play.. :D

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gbee:

directhex: it was only ever a stopgap measure born from desperation – they went bust a short time later

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directhex|work:

TSCHAKWerk, the risk-reward curve is broken in most modern games. how many times has omaha beach been stormed, exactly?

[14:32:34]

TSCHAKWerk:

I have to use controls that mass at least 12 distinct button states.

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: hehehe

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gbee:

only game of recent times I even want to play is Armed Assault

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directhex|work:

gbee, voodoo2 was a success. it was failing to bring voodoo4/5 to market in a timely fashion, and making them a turn-off compared to new competition from ati and nvidia, that killed them

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TSCHAKWerk:

I mean, even look at Doom 3

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fryfrog:

I want to play Supreme Commander, but my system sucks :(

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TSCHAKWerk:

awesome graphics

[14:33:48]

TSCHAKWerk:

holy shit i damn near pissed myself when i saw a pinkie jump out of the corner at me

[14:33:54]

TSCHAKWerk:

but playable?

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-/

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fryfrog:

directhex|work: no, what killed 3dfx was that nvidia sold their *chipset* and 3dfx decided to stop doing that and sell only *their* card

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directhex|work:

doom 3 is lifeless. i couldn't bother playing the expansion after the first half hour

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TSCHAKWerk:

I still play doom.

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gbee:

voodoo 1,2 and 3 were all the same tech, reason they struggled with 4/5 was because they were unable to squeeze anything new out of it

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fryfrog:

well, and i'm sure voodoo 4/5 being all slow and shit didn't help :)

[14:34:38]

TSCHAKWerk:

teh original

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squidly[work]:

lol doom rocks

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directhex|work:

doom 2 is better

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squidly[work]:

but doom 3 scares the crap out of me

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fryfrog:

to release, that is

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directhex|work:

it had the "barrels o' fun" level!

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squidly[work]:

lol

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fryfrog:

i used to love quake and quake2

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fryfrog:

<3 NIN

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directhex|work:

NIN weren't involved in quake2

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TSCHAKWerk:

man, when I discovered the WAD level makers

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TSCHAKWerk:

I went apeshit.

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gbee:

got 3/4 of the way through Doom 3 and then just realised I was bored, so I uninstalled it

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TSCHAKWerk:

spent three months learning how to design levels

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TSCHAKWerk:

spent another year refining them and making them GOOD

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Dagmar:

...and then your school found out and they arrested you?

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directhex|work:

tee hee @ Dagmar

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TSCHAKWerk:

haha

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directhex|work:

i made a counterstrike level of my uni hall of residence :)

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fryfrog:

oh shit :/

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: hehehe :-)

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directhex|work:

for residents only. it was a crap level

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fryfrog:

did you hear about that kid who was like... arrested for making a CS level of his *school*?

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TSCHAKWerk:

the sad thing was...

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TSCHAKWerk:

see, I have a NeXTStation

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directhex|work:

fryfrog, expelled and sent to special school

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fryfrog:

i always wanted to do that myself

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TSCHAKWerk:

but I didn't see DoomED or QuakeED until LONG after both games went obsolete.

[14:37:05]

fryfrog:

ah, i stand corrected!

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TSCHAKWerk:

and they were AMAZING editors

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fryfrog:

sometimes I think the US over-reacts to the stupidest, wrong things :/

[14:37:44]

Dagmar:

It's not the US.

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Dagmar:

Just incredibly stupid US citizens

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TSCHAKWerk:

I was always, gee, why didn't I have these WHEN I WAS MAKING THESE LEVELS? I had the fucking computer :-(

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directhex|work:

doom and doom 2 stand the test of time because of the finely tuned level design

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fryfrog:

president lies to us and starts a war in iraq... no big deal

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fryfrog:

some kid makes a *video* game map that looks like his school... PANIC!

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Dagmar:

He's going to win the suit against the school over that

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directhex|work:

it's the reason the plutonia/evolution levels aren't interesting. they're simply not as good

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, hope so

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TSCHAKWerk:

it takes TIME and anal attention to detail to make something good

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Dagmar:

You can pretty much bank on it

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Dagmar:

Literally EVERY book on game level design says to make a map of somewhere you know well _first_

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TSCHAKWerk:

the unwillingness to settle for anything less than finely tuned.

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TSCHAKWerk:

yup

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TSCHAKWerk:

learn spatial and temporal relationship

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TSCHAKWerk:

games get KILLED when those two furies are out of balance :-P

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Dagmar:

...not to mention the kid was nearly a straight-A student.

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Dagmar:

They're not going to be able to demonstrate any kind of malicious motive or intent

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directhex|work:

i should compile a top-10 games list again. it's been a long time since i last did one, and there are some upsets

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, he was "quiet and asian"!

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Dagmar:

...which will get them in trouble with the usual crowd of lawyers handling racist cases

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Dagmar:

the kid apparently had a small army of supporters show up at the school board hearings about it

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Dagmar:

So it ain't like he was a loner either

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TSCHAKWerk:

*sigh*

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TSCHAKWerk:

shit like this MAKES ME A MISANTHROPE!

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directhex|work:

TSCHAKWerk is going postal! argh!

[14:42:25]

TSCHAKWerk:

nah, I'll never go completely postal.

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TSCHAKWerk:

thank god for primal scream.

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directhex|work:

it's actually hard to think of 10 games i'd give full marks to

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TSCHAKWerk:

I can't think of any.

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TSCHAKWerk:

Halo?w

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TSCHAKWerk:

bwahahaha

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

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directhex|work:

most people have too many to choose from. my standards must be too high

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Dagmar:

7 Sins!

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Dagmar:

Oppai Slider 2!

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Dagmar:

Both a 5/5!

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TSCHAKWerk:

and I think G4TV should be wiped off the face of the earth.

[14:45:23]

Dagmar:

Agreed

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fryfrog:

WHAT??? they replay ST:TNG!!!

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TSCHAKWerk:

when they axed the screensavers, that was IT for me

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TSCHAKWerk:

G4TV, hosted by women WHO WOULD NEVER DATE YOU EVEN IF YOU HAD A MILLION BUCKS.

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directhex|work:

okay, ten

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squidly[work]:

lol

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squidly[work]:

i agree there

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juski:

G4YTV?

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squidly[work]:

it was techtv

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squidly[work]:

now its crap sence comcrap got ahold of them

[14:48:04]

TSCHAKWerk:

then it became the masturbation channel for gamers who never leave the house.

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squidly[work]:

yep

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TSCHAKWerk:

it's funny as hell when you realise just where priorities lie when you see porn stars hosting game award shows and show up at E3 as spokesmodels :-P

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juski:

I wouldn't know a pornstar except by prejudging them

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TSCHAKWerk:

hehe

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TSCHAKWerk:

game marketers should just get right to the point

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TSCHAKWerk:

and make "SimPornStar"

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juski:

I dunno why marketing companies even bother with dollybirds on their stands. been o cctv tradeshows & folks just ignore them & they end up standing around looking bored

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TSCHAKWerk:

complete with its own character generator :-P

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: *nod* it's different for different trade shows... quite a different reaction at custom auto shows for example.

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** directhex|work analyses his top-10 list **

[14:51:52]

directhex|work:

good lord, the oldest on there is 16 years old

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directhex|work:

i feel old now

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TSCHAKWerk:

oh believe me

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TSCHAKWerk:

i do too

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TSCHAKWerk:

for me... STAR RAIDERS is in my top 10 list

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TSCHAKWerk:

(go look that one up.) :-P

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TSCHAKWerk:

(not the 2600 version, the 800 version)

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directhex|work:

http://www.mobygames.com/game/atari-8-bit/star-raiders ?

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directhex|work:

(i don't know atari naming conventions)

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: correct.

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: the first known first person space shooter/simulation.

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TSCHAKWerk:

and it plays awesome.. even today.

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directhex|work:

can't see it holding my attention. i like to be told a story

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Raiders screenies etc

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TSCHAKWerk:

quite amazing really

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directhex|work:

http://pastebin.ca/491227 is my date-ordered list. i don't think i've missed anything out

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TSCHAKWerk:

when you consider the whole game, is calculated in real 3D

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TSCHAKWerk:

and it fits entirely in 8 kilobytes of ROM

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directhex|work:

i've stopped caring about technical considerations. that way lies madness and FooOssgame or FreeClone

[14:58:49]

TSCHAKWerk:

hehehehe

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TSCHAKWerk:

FREECRAFT!

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TSCHAKWerk:

BATTLE OF WESNOTH!

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directhex|work:

freeciv is a poster child for all that's wrong with Free Software games

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TSCHAKWerk:

(aka I blew my nose and tarballed it.)

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TSCHAKWerk:

freeciv could really

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TSCHAKWerk:

be

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TSCHAKWerk:

so much better :-(

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directhex|work:

whenever i see freeciv, i think of http://www.engadget.com/2005/12/07/keepin-it- . . . -i-bob-nano/

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directhex|work:

or http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/25/keepin-it- . . . nza-edition/

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directhex|work:

or, well, you get the idea

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directhex|work:

take something finely tuned to a horrifying level, and distill it until all that's left is a rulebook. then stick on a gtk front-end, and voila!

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directhex|work:

an iBob Nano

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-(

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directhex|work:

played many of the games on my list?

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TSCHAKWerk:

crap, it scrolled off my irssi.. is there a way to tell irssi to scroll back?

[15:08:04]

TSCHAKWerk:

I know it keeps it, because I can resize my window and it shows up

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TSCHAKWerk:

but i don't use irssi except via ssh from work :-P

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directhex|work:

<directhex|work> http://pastebin.ca/491227 is my date-ordered list. i don't think i've missed anything out

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TSCHAKWerk:

Zelda 3.. DOTT, Chrono Trigger some... Super Mario 64...

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TSCHAKWerk:

I agree those are kick ass games

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TSCHAKWerk:

I liked DOTT's predecessor too, Maniac Mansion

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directhex|work:

maniac mansion's risk-reward was off

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directhex|work:

lucasarts did the right thing in removing death from point & click games after zak mckracken

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TSCHAKWerk:

I liked Zak McCracken.

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TSCHAKWerk:

but yeah, I do know what you mean.

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TSCHAKWerk:

(I also liked the idea of King of Chicago too, even if it got a little aggravating after a while)

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directhex|work:

i can't think of any actual flaws in the games on that list. they're all tuned to perfection

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Dagmar:

I still say 7 Sins should be in there

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kash:

man

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kash:

my audio drivers aren't working

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directhex|work:

you can't think of anything wrong with it at all?

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kash:

i've loaded the alsa kernel module for my card and alsa isn't recognising it

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directhex|work:

kash, what's your card?

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TSCHAKWerk:

modprobe snd-intel-hda load_now_dammit=1 pry_with_a_crowbar=1 work_or_die=1

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

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kash:

directhex|work: ICH4 AC' 97

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directhex|work:

so that's snd-intel8x0 if my memory serves me correctly

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TSCHAKWerk:

I curse the fuckers who designed AC97

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directhex|work:

TSCHAKWerk, why?

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kash:

directhex|work: yep, and it's not working

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directhex|work:

kash, it doesn't come up in alsamixer?

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kash:

nope

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kash:

kash@mythtv ~ $ alsamixer

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kash:

alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: it is literally host driven signal processing, and I have helped countless people who have tried to use their internal soundcards to do pro-level audio work.. and even with me, I don't wanna have to tote around a freakin I/O every time I want to work on a composition in the park.

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TSCHAKWerk:

there are other things, but...meh.

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kash:

nope

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kash:

i installed standalone alsa

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directhex|work:

kash, good lord, what kernel are you running? O_o

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kash:

2.6.20-gentoo-r8

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GreyFoxx:

Dammint, my vlc don't support dvb

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kash:

/proc/asound/cards only shows my bt878

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directhex|work:

kash, why on earth have you compiuled alsa standalone on that, given alsa's been integrated for years and ich4 is ancient?

[15:31:54]

kash:

uh, because kernel alsa sucks and is always behind?

[15:32:04]

kash:

kernel has .12

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kash:

standalone has 1.0.14_rc3

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kash:

:)

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kash:

sure.

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kash:

i also have an x-fi which needs current alsa

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fryfrog:

yeah, thats a bit hard core if you don't have hardware that *needs* the latest version of alsa

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fryfrog:

ah, there ya go!

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kash:

(in that box)

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kash:

so no ideas?

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kash:

maybe i'll just install oss:o

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directhex|work:

no ideas. ich4 has "justworked" for about four years

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juski:

directhex|work: heh. eheheheheh. ehehehehehehehehe. HEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHEHE :D

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directhex|work:

juski, i thought you might like that.

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juski:

who GAF about mono OSD when there's h.264 decoding in hardware then? ;)

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directhex|work:

once intel do it, nvidia will end up doing it

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TSCHAKWerk:

coreAVC works for now

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TSCHAKWerk:

granted it's selling out a bit

[15:46:27]

TSCHAKWerk:

but it does work.

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directhex|work:

doesn't that mandate using svn mplayer for your recordings, on top of paying for your codec?

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LikwidFire:

i asked someone about the time difference in my Backend and the system time, and the suggested NTP, but NTP is now an hour off. Is there something I'm missing?

[15:49:25]

Merlin83b:

LikwidFire: YOur time zone?

[15:49:28]

tzanger:

LikwidFire: make sure your time zone is set up correctly

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directhex|work:

does one of your machines dual-boot windows?

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LikwidFire:

the machine im on dual boots windows, and in cygwin, ssh'd into my HTPC that runs only Gentoo

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directhex|work:

which machine has the wrong time on it?

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LikwidFire:

HTPC

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LikwidFire:

which runs only Gentoo

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directhex|work:

sounds like a simple timezone config problem then

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directhex|work:

not switching to daylight savings or something like that

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LikwidFire:

etc/localtime is all garbled, that might do it lol

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directhex|work:

/etc/localtime is a binary file

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directhex|work:

try "tzconfig"

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: no.

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LikwidFire:

yea, all thars in it right now is TZif^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@.....

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: there is a patch to make the libavcodec that myth uses load the coreAVC codec when needed.

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directhex|work:

/etc/localtime is a binary file

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directhex|work:

try "tzconfig"

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LikwidFire:

k

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LikwidFire:

hmm, ill give it a try when i get back from work, my hours suck lol

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directhex|work:

TSCHAKWerk, i'd rather wait for x264 to mature, or intel to get xvmc behaving

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LikwidFire:

thanks guys, ill see what i can do and let you guys know later

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: it will, but it may take some time, H.264 is a VERY tough codec to implement.

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directhex|work:

TSCHAKWerk, good thing i have no HD h264 content yet. my dvd rips play fine, and access to BBC HD is a ways off

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: I have some HD 264 content that's 1080P... the only way I can play it is via coreAVC

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quicksilver:

TSCHAKWerk: ATI are supposedly going to open source all their future video card drivers, and the new gen cards will all have 264-assist hardware

[16:02:32]

quicksilver:

TSCHAKWerk: so linux hardware assist may be here in the next year or five

[16:02:33]

quicksilver:

(who knows)

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Dagmar:

Probably never

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quicksilver:

dagmar could be right

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TSCHAKWerk:

quicksilver: god only hope that ATI drivers will be easier to install at some point. I always have hell with fglrx

[16:03:34]

quicksilver:

but dagmar is not famed for his optimism ;P

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TSCHAKWerk:

installing fglrx is like doing open heart surgery with a ouija board.

[16:04:30]

Dagmar:

I don't just hope for the worst

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Dagmar:

I work hard to make it a reality

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LinuxHelp:

Question, how can I purge my database of upcoming recordings? MythWeb doesn't seem to have a delete button, so I guess I'm looking for a command line command

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quicksilver:

you mean, yo0u don't want to record them after all?

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quicksilver:

just hit 'enter' or whatever you bound to that

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quicksilver:

and choose the option from the menu that says 'dont' record after all'

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LinuxHelp:

Um, I don't have the MythTV FrontEnd, I need a command that I can type into the backend server

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LinuxHelp:

And yes I don't want to record them after all?

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LinuxHelp:

*-?+.

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quicksilver:

There is a telnet interface but I've never used it

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quicksilver:

I'm sure this must be possible in mythweb, but I've never used that either ;(

[16:23:00]

** quicksilver is a frontend-bunny **

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gardengnome:

oh my. that sounds cute

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LinuxHelp:

Well, I have a bash login on the backend server..

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LinuxHelp:

Please don't tell me I actually have to manually edit the mysql db to delete a recording

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LinuxHelp:

*recording schedule

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Merlin83b:

Go into schedules in mythweb, choose the recording, choose cancel this schedule and the save settings.

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LinuxHelp:

I'm afraid theres no "Cancel this schedule"

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LinuxHelp:

Oh wait

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Dibblah:

... Apart from that one? ;)

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quicksilver:

LinuxHelp: the closest thing to a high-level commandline interface is the telnet interface, I believe

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quicksilver:

LinuxHelp: I've never used it but you can poke around...

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TSCHAKWerk:

it's meant as a gateway for remote control

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TSCHAKWerk:

other than that, haven't used it

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TSCHAKWerk:

it never ceases to amaze me, in every free software project, there is at least one user who needs a bizarre feature nobody else does.

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LinuxHelp:

thx anyway

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Dagmar:

I want to know who is writing the plugin for mythTV to manage my fondue mixer

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TSCHAKWerk:

or for mythmusic to improvise alongside my one piece polka band

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Dibblah:

I want to know who else is interested in mythui :(

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TSCHAKWerk:

MythTV on a Private Jet, because you never know when you'll get bored on a transatlantic flight to go shopping in Milan for the day, and need to watch the latest "Lost".

[16:44:05]

Dibblah:

The words "floundering around like a fish out of water" are springing to my mind.

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gardengnome:

Dibblah: chutt?

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Dibblah:

Nope.

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Dibblah:

He's not doing any Myth at the moment, from what I see.

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Dibblah:

Completely understandable, of course.

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mfgalizia:

/m dibblah I'm interested in mythui — i did a VERY small bit of work on it about a year ago

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mfgalizia:

lol

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Dibblah:

The SoC?

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kemik:

video quality on this card blows :(

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kemik:

or maybe it's the configuration, somehow

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x0d:

PEBKAC

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Dibblah:

Woo. Setting up for a dev session and getting a segfault is hardly ever a good sign.

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Dibblah:

... Get the feeling it's because Xrandr is not supported here.

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Dagmar:

Those insensitive bastards!

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Dibblah:

Hah. No, it's worse than that.

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Dagmar:

it causes monitors to explode and shoot shards of flaming phosphorous into users' eyes?

[17:23:27]

Dibblah:

There's no way to get the real display.

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Dibblah:

So it just sets it to NULL, hoping it'll do something intelligent.

[17:23:57]

Dibblah:

It... Doesn't.

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kemik:

x0d: care to elaborate?

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Dagmar:

fun

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Dibblah:

Ick. Which means I have to fiddle around in internals again.

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Dibblah:

(BTW, this is quite a common crash, apparently)

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directhex:

kemik, on what card?

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kemik:

directhex: [GeForce3 Ti 200]

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juski:

oh aye

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juski:

I had a geforce ti – it sucked royally on its tv out

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kemik:

ack

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kemik:

well, the LeadTek TNT2 may be a better option (even though it's older..) however they have some wickedly fubared tv-out socket.. a mindin 6pin instead of a 4pin svideo

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kemik:

some sort of a dual composite/s-video socket... *BAH*

[17:41:41]

TSCHAKWerk:

you can plug in an svideo cable into that socket.

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fryfrog:

i think i'd go with something gf 5xxx or 6xxx if i were *buying*

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kemik:

TSCHAKWerk: not without alot of violence :(

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kemik:

tried soldering my own cable (dissecated a ps2 mouse .. ) however i b0rked it ofcourse, and i'm fresh out of ps2 mice :(

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directhex:

kemik, tv out on old cards is pretty shit

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directhex:

geforce 4 is where a limited number of cards had good output

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directhex:

after that it became the norm

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juski:

seriously kemik (and everybody) before nvidia cards got nvidia tv encoders, quality of the TV output was in general, absolutely APALLING

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directhex:

juski, nowhere near as bad as on the old SiS card we used in our living room machine when i was an undergrad

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fryfrog:

I wonder if the 5200 sitting on my desk has decent svideo out

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fryfrog:

all I use on my TV is DVI -> HDMI

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directhex:

5000-series and newer should be fine

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directhex:

but we used a geforce 2 once, it was awful

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directhex:

ati cards of the day were better (using not-fglrx)

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kemik:

maybe i'll shop myself some new hardware...

[17:51:53]

kemik:

had hopes of not doing that.. since i wont be getting "HD" hardware yet...

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directhex:

£20 for a geforce isn't it?

[17:52:04]

fryfrog:

go digging on ebay, unless you get fleaced by someone who thinks they can sell a $5 card for $50

[17:52:47]

kemik:

well, its not about the money really.. just a nuisance having to buy new computer stuff :X

[17:52:56]

kemik:

had hopes of recycling ! :D

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directhex:

i need to go to the post ofice depot tomorrow to pick up a delivery. someone remind me

[17:53:28]

kemik:

well well, a 5200 FX it will be then!

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juski:

actually you'd have to go a long long way to get worse than an ATI All-In-Wonder I used to own. Oh man. 8 bit colour ftw!

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directhex:

the sis we used redefined dot crawl. text was unreadable, you had to use thumbnail previews to guess what a file was

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gbee:

Dibblah: GetScreenConfig segfault?

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Dibblah:

gbee: Yeah.

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Dibblah:

It's not as simple as it looks.

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Dibblah:

Passing in Display doesn't help.

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gbee:

run into more than one tricky bug lately, guess most of the easy ones were fixed already ;)

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Dibblah:

Heh.

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kemik:

juski: yea, that's why i was thikning of "recycling" it by still using old hardware :)

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directhex:

i use hardware until it expodes or i sell it on for re-use

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Dibblah:

juski: Like the story of the people recycling mines for explosives ("Braver men walk away" – Great book)?

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kemik:

seen some docu's of the scrapyards where tehy 'recycle' computer hardware... i would wanna work there

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directhex:

is that an americanese "negative even though it doesn't contain a negative prefix"?

[18:01:10]

directhex:

because "i would wanna work there" means "i would wanna work there", and those places are killing fields

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kemik:

missed the 'nt

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kemik:

:D

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kemik:

sort of makes all the difference i guess

[18:05:20]

tzanger:

generally speaking is the 103g fta dvb-s card a good match for mythtv?

[18:05:39]

kemik:

well well.. maybe try my hand at VGA->SCART conversion.. play around and solder stuff :D

[18:09:20]

juski:

tzanger: generally speaking is the 103g fta dvb-s card a good match for _linux_ ???????

[18:09:32]

juski:

tzanger: cos if so, you're good :)

[18:09:36]

directhex:

tzanger, that would depend on the country you live in

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juski:

mythtv supports NO tuner cards as such

[18:09:59]

juski:

whether hardware works in mythtv or not is _all_ down to linux & the kernel

[18:13:33]

directhex:

there are cards that are "a good match" though

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directhex:

e.g. framegrabbers and pvr350s

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directhex:

should be binned in favour of real cards, despite support

[18:15:02]

fryfrog:

nothing wrong with a 350 if you just happen to have it

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tzanger:

juski: :-) well it detects in linux, I heard some rumour that it was finicky though

[18:15:55]

tzanger:

although I also hear the twinhan cards are finicky and I have never had trouble with them

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tzanger:

I had a 350 for a while

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tzanger:

not a bad card

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juski:

fryfrog: if you already happen to have one sure, but nobody here is recommending anybody buy one now

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Redth:

i have someone sending me an old geniatech dvb-s, i'm hoping it'll work

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kemik:

where exactly do i find the " TV Playback Overscan Adjustment Settings" ?

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juski:

kemik: in mythfrontend

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juski:

utils/setup > setup > tv settings > playback

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juski:

pretty damn obvious if you ask me :)

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kemik:

ahh playback :)

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kemik:

thx

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directhex:

hm, my "scan collection" button in svn mythweb/video doesn't work

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fryfrog:

i'm sorry, hardly anything in myth's settings are "obvious"

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fryfrog:

why is the OSD theme in a different place than the myth theme?

[18:34:11]

fryfrog:

there are a number of annoying things like that :/

[18:34:25]

directhex:

because... um... what si the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

[18:34:40]

fryfrog:

what, african or european?

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directhex:

xris!

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juski:

fryfrog: 2 reasons:

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juski:

1. to confuzzle

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juski:

2. to bamboozle :)

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fryfrog:

its a feature, not a bug!

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fryfrog:

now shut up and like it :0

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juski:

and a third I just remembered about..

[18:42:00]

juski:

to make users whine even more

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juski:

pesky freakin users

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directhex:

everything is better without users

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directhex:

especially stupid ones

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directhex:

we get some brilliant users at work

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directhex:

the kind who don't understand that /path/to/my/file isn't to be taken literally

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gbee:

I think the original reasoning was that the OSD was only of interest to those who used mythtv for TV, so putting it in the TV settings instead of the appearance settings made sense

[18:44:37]

gbee:

but I don't think anyone is really attached to keeping it where it is now

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gbee:

we really need to get the SoC settings-revamp merged in

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directhex:

some daring and dynamic sexpot should do so!

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jams:

or it might be that the osd is only seen during playback, thus it makes perfect sense to keep it there

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gbee:

thought I just said that :)

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jams:

so you did

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jams:

thats what i get for skimming

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juski:

if the menu layout was something you could play with via xml files I'd already be on it

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jams:

juski- i added a little splash to the website

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juski:

jams: sorry.. url please?

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kemik:

cpu only at 60% while playing divx

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kemik:

wicked

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directhex:

60% is good?

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directhex:

kick out the... wait, i did that already didn't i

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kemik:

on a p450 celeron, i think so

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juski:

jams: nifty. looks better than any of the .org revamp ideas fer sure IMHO

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fstx:

mythbackend sometimes die with 'ioctl VIDIOC_G_FMT: Invalid argument'. I have a bttv card

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** directhex wants to see! **

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juski:

I might try e107 for my own site. could do with some decent CMS going on

[19:03:37]

jams:

juski, you should it's a nice system

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juski:

only snag is my current provider only allows for html

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directhex:

how does mythweb determine what to do with definite articles (e.g. putting The Lord of the Rings with the letter L files)?

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juski:

directhex: clever regex ?

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jams:

juski- well there goes that idea ....

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directhex:

juski, well i wonder what determines "The" being dropped, but "Les" not being dropped – and whether it's ever the correct behaviour to do so

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juski:

directhex: the regex doesn't parlez francais ?

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directhex:

juski, that's what i'm wondering

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directhex:

juski, if it speaks your current locale (which i can't override in the mythweb settings >_<) then is it correct to drop Les but not The for french people?

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directhex:

i don't know if it does since the override won't work

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TSCHAKWerk:

has anyone seen/used this case? http://www.nmediapc.com/htpc500a.htm ??

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directhex:

looks expensive

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Dibblah:

Does anyone here use SVN and XRandR to change resolutions?

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directhex:

and 60mm fans make me uneasy

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex: which case would you recommend?

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Dibblah:

If so, could you possibly test http://www.pastebin.ca/491581

[19:18:23]

kslater:

TSCHAKWerk – how spendy is that case?

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directhex:

i wouldn't. they all seem to suck in one way or another

[19:19:22]

TSCHAKWerk:

kslater: the only one I priced was the 280SA, which is $99

[19:19:37]

TSCHAKWerk:

that looks good in a living room.

[19:19:42]

kslater:

not a back looking case

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** juski barfs profusely **

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kslater:

I have a buddy that found a audio receiver looking case at NewEgg

[19:20:28]

TSCHAKWerk:

kslater: i'm looking there too

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kslater:

juski has higher standards than me. :)

[19:20:38]

TSCHAKWerk:

juski: care to provide a better solution?

[19:20:41]

kslater:

but it was spendy I think

[19:20:41]

juski:

why do all HTPC cases have to look like bloody trunks?

[19:20:53]

directhex:

juski, it's an attempt to look like a hi-fi separate, generally

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juski:

as big as a bloody wardrobe?

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** kslater cracking up **

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: what do you recommend ?

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juski:

I recommend a nice diddy little quiet frontend & a hulking great big ugly noisy backend hidden away somewhere

[19:22:03]

directhex:

juski, it's either big or it uses riser cards

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juski:

just what the doc ordered

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kslater:

if you're only needing the FE there's a nice hiper case on newegg too

[19:22:20]

juski:

works wonders for the WAF

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** directhex *still* thinks the mac mini is a good looking frontend. still. **

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juski:

directhex: it is. pity its remote sucks & the only other option is a USB wart or bluetooth is all

[19:22:59]

kslater:

if you have AV equipment in the room already, something that blends in with the rest of the rack works out well IMHO

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juski:

kslater: not if it's that damn big

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** kslater snort **

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: unfortunately, I am in a teeny little apt in boston, I need them in the same box. :-(

[19:23:31]

directhex:

juski, if it's not got a riser card in it, then it has a minimum height

[19:23:44]

juski:

directhex: it's never just the height though

[19:23:50]

juski:

it's the 500mm depth

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kslater:

veganmyth.blogspot.com

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kslater:

that's the one my friend is using

[19:24:14]

juski:

and I wanted a case that'd fit where my VCR& DVD player used to live

[19:24:40]

kslater:

I'm going to turn an old VCR case into my case once I find some time

[19:24:43]

TSCHAKWerk:

maybe this one: http://www.nmediapc.com/htpc180a.htm

[19:25:06]

kslater:

better duck

[19:25:08]

TSCHAKWerk:

or even this one: http://www.nmediapc.com/htpc100.htm

[19:25:12]

juski:

kslater: yeah I've seen some photos of various attempts out there. some of them look liek real abortions

[19:25:32]

kslater:

mine will undoubtably fall into that category

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gbee:

I stand by what I said yesterday about the Asus one – it's smaller than all of these HTPC cases and cheaper in most cases too

[19:25:54]

** juski passes kslater a few rolls of gaffer tape **

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TSCHAKWerk:

gbee: url ?

[19:26:02]

juski:

.. and araldite

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kslater:

and some new dremel cutoff wheels

[19:26:22]

juski:

my s100 is an ideal size & sound level output..

[19:26:51]

juski:

if somebody would only make an 'embedded' hd-capable PC in a STB form-factor...

[19:27:03]

TSCHAKWerk:

I would like something with a VFD/LCD panel

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: the answer might come in an intel 965 based micro-atx solution.

[19:27:34]

juski:

I need somebody to sell a VFD/LCD panel to me in person. I just don't / can't see the point

[19:28:19]

directhex:

juski, more displays = bettar

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juski:

directhex: how?

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directhex:

i can sorta see the attraction if you use a hi-fi for the sound output from your myth box, are running mythmusic, and have the tv turned off

[19:29:17]

juski:

so you can be distracted by fucking stupid flashing lights while you watch tv?

[19:29:31]

directhex:

juski, flashing lights and bl00 leds!

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juski:

directhex: as long as libvisual support works in mythmusic I'd rather turn the TV ON thanks :)

[19:30:05]

juski:

they just made it worth going to all the effort of reaching for the power button

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TSCHAKWerk:

okay i have nothing else to do at work today

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TSCHAKWerk:

i'm fuckin leaving

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kslater:

ditto

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TSCHAKWerk:

and off to micro center to see if i can do some case shopping

[19:31:24]

TSCHAKWerk:

no buying today, just gathering yet more research

[19:31:40]

directhex:

meatspace shops have kit worth buying?

[19:32:06]

gbee:

if anyone wants to buy me a P1-AH2, let me know :)

[19:32:13]

juski:

place I got my LC02 from wouldn't even let me look at it before buying it. the feckers

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TSCHAKWerk:

hmmm i wonder if there's a good HTPC case reseller in boston that just sells the cases.

[19:32:50]

juski:

I should spend my lunch breaks at work designing a custom PC case & get one made up

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kslater:

maybe in a grarage behind a website

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juski:

I'll blimmin show yers

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directhex:

give it wheels and a remote control!

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kslater:

and load of LEDS

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: serious? I'll help.

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juski:

there's a market for seriously well designed, good, budget cases

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TSCHAKWerk:

i'm just wary of buying these cases

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juski:

if you're not out to make a living out of it, you don't need 200% markup

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directhex:

coming soon from juski inc: http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/knex/

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juski:

directhex: LMAO

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juski:

directhex: lemme see the EMC test results for that sucka

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TSCHAKWerk:

oh jesus

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TSCHAKWerk:

it looks like some legos and some milk crates had a melted plastic orgy.

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TSCHAKWerk:

i keep expecting to flip through the pictures and find a lego man attached.

[19:38:26]

tzanger:

TSCHAKWerk: no, it's knex.. I know of no knex men

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gbee:

juski: if you really can turn out a decent looking, well designed case for a budget price then you'd be on to a winner

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tzanger:

gbee: indeed. the reason cases are so damn cheap is that they cranked out by the thousands

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TSCHAKWerk:

hmmm i'll open blender and do the exterior :-D

[19:39:13]

tzanger:

short-order low volume cases are generally so expensive due to the total lack of economy of scale

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juski:

I reckon I could turn something out for under a hundred quids that'd have everything a HTPC case needs

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TSCHAKWerk:

including a little glowing HAL eye?

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-D

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TSCHAKWerk:

hehe kiddin

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juski:

the massive thing from my own PoV is that none of these fscking cases have sockets in the right place nor do they have IR windows

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juski:

you do NOT need to spend over £100 on a brand new case & have to drill it

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TSCHAKWerk:

"I'm afraid I won't record that Dave.. The broadcast flag is set."

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gbee:

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juski:

our prototype DVR boxes – which aren't very complex bits of bent & punched steel – are about £40 per one-off

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juski:

the majority of that is the tooling cost

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TSCHAKWerk:

ok guys i'm off

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juski:

seeya

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TSCHAKWerk:

am gonna see if i can look at a case first hand

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gbee:

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TSCHAKWerk:

i guess i need to take some astroglide just in case.

[19:41:58]

TSCHAKWerk:

(no, I do not carry that with me, I'd have to stop by a shop beforehand) :-P

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juski:

gbee: seen the Hush range? them is sexy IMHO

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juski:

TSCHAKWerk: you never know when you'll need it ;)

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** juski hums the Blue Oyster Club music **

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: usually when dealing with the marketing people at work.

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: bwahahaha

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TSCHAKWerk:

just my luck

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TSCHAKWerk:

i buy a premium HTPC case

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TSCHAKWerk:

and I get a free copy of Windows MCE

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directhex:

hush are expensive

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juski:

tranquilpc.com make some fantastic looking boxes

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juski:

directhex: I know. you could get one fabbed up for way less than they charge. being a hobbyist your overheads are way lower ;)

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juski:

this is my kinda style: http://www.tranquilpc.co.uk/T2.htm

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gbee:

juski: just had a look at the Hush ones, they do look good, from the front at least – so good that I don't even care that they've peppered the front with ports

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gbee:

from the side/above, those great looks disappear due to an almost industrial styling

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Niklas_E:

is there any command that changes the recording database if you moved or deleted som files, so it takes them away from the database? (check which are still found and don't remove them from the database)

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juski:

Niklas_E: you fscking dummy

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gbee:

in svn head there is myth.find.orphans or some such script in contrib

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gbee:

but otherwise you can just delete them from within mythfrontend

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Niklas_E:

ok

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juski:

hopefully the case badge guy will be coming into work tomorrow :)

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gbee:

yay

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juski:

it'd be nice to get some mythtv branded remotes done too, but not with the supplier we use at work. minimum order Q of over 20,000!

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tzanger:

juski: agreed wrt drilling a new case

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tzanger:

I really like the LC19M, *IF* it had a remote window, NO FUCKING flip-down door, a VFD "bay" and an SD/MMC port.

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gbee:

I like flip down doors if they are hiding ugly ports which I'm not going to use 95% of the time, but which would be useful on the front of the case the other 5%

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xris:

tzanger: please watch your language

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hadees:

xris, not to contradict you but what about the topic then?

[20:19:59]

xris:

hadees: beirdo hasn't fixed it yet.

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hadees:

ok, just find it ironic

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hadees:

anyway back to something that matters, me, I noticed my DVB card seems to have a line of i guess noise or static at the top of Television that comes over QAM but isn't HDTV

[20:21:59]

hadees:

anyone know how to get rid of that?

[20:22:01]

hadees:

really annoying

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xris:

hadees: yes. ironic.

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xris:

!trout Beirdo language

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a language trout on behalf of xris... **

[20:23:09]

Beirdo:

heh, I didn't do it!

[20:23:24]

Beirdo:

dunno who did, but that one wasn't me

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Beirdo:

let me fix it

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Beirdo:

That better?

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Mode for #mythtv-users by Beirdo!n=gjhurlbu@unaffiliated/beirdo : -o Beirdo

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hadees:

well it is less ironic but i like irony

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directhex:

just gently caressing google it?

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hadees:

directhex, you should register that domain

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Beirdo:

I miss the days of "Don't be a dumbass" in the topic. hehe

[20:26:15]

hadees:

Beirdo, you should put it back, If dumbass is okay for over air TV then it is okay for the mythtv channel

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Beirdo:

heh

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hadees:

So since no one knows how to get rid of that static can someone at least tell me if there is a technical name or something so I can search for an answer?

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Beirdo:

how That 70s Show got away with that, I dunno

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Beirdo:

which static now?

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hadees:

scroll up a bit

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** Beirdo scrolls back a touch **

[20:27:48]

Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

I don't have DVB, so I'm not sure, but I know that "normal" TV has data up above the first normal scanline

[20:28:23]

Beirdo:

TVs with their overscan don't show it

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hadees:

is that the same for digital though?

[20:28:49]

Beirdo:

changing your overscan a bit so it's off the screen might alleviate it a bit... but just guessing

[20:28:58]

Beirdo:

I wouldn't have thought so

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hadees:

And it doesn't show up on the QAM tuner in my TV

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Beirdo:

I think it's the VBI stuff on "normal" TV.. like closed captioning, but I could be wrong there

[20:29:40]

Beirdo:

and in MPEG, that's a separate stream, no?

[20:30:04]

Beirdo:

or at least different packet types, or something, I looked it up once, and forget

[20:30:32]

Beirdo:

it could be stripped off by the TV's tuner, hard to say

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hadees:

maybe but i then why is the problem not there with HDTV

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hadees:

hehe no i

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rktboy:

could it be stuff outside the frame? overscanning keeps this from showing up under normal signal circumstances

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Beirdo:

rktboy, that's what I was saying, but I don't know that digital TV encodes that way too

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rktboy:

it could be that when playing back the resolution is below the size of the visible screen

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rktboy:

true, though it should since I think DVD players do this as well, send a slightly bigger image to the tv

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Beirdo:

there's no doubt that overscanning slightly will fix how the output looks

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Beirdo:

but why it's that way on a DVB capture, I couldn't say, only guess

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rktboy:

me too

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** juski watches his fscking language too.. or is trying to lately **

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

now for the fun of relicensing the plugins and plugin API for beirdobot from GPL -> LGPL

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juski:

did this channel come top in a 'which channel cusses the most' poll or something?

[20:42:17]

directhex:

second only to #debian pre-sunshine-and-rainbowsification

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juski:

enforce the policy good & proper. i might learn to watch my potty mouth that way too

[20:43:27]

Beirdo:

it is tempting.

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Beirdo:

fixing the topic's a good start though :)

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juski:

I don't use bad words in real life as much.. makes folks sound like idiots when they use 'f' words for pauses

[20:44:32]

Beirdo:

yup.

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directhex:

it gets used a fair bit around the office. usually when warranted though

[20:44:51]

Beirdo:

once in a while is somewhat acceptable (in real life)

[20:44:58]

directhex:

but since we all deal with users and filthy students...

[20:45:10]

Beirdo:

like when you slam your thumb with a hammer, a good loud cuss is expected

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directhex:

and *ick* proprietary software

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juski:

the air has been very blue at work recently, what with applications that corrupt the flash fs.. silly jffs2 rubbish

[20:45:52]

Beirdo:

jffs2 caca?

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juski:

wooo! thursday tomorrow!.. one day left in the week after that.. and if I don't need to go in at the weekend... :D :D

[20:46:52]

juski:

Beirdo: nah personally I think there's a snafu in the memory address decoding where data written to a different flash area is messing up the application partition...

[20:47:21]

juski:

the only reason i can think of for saving settings to flash ram corrupts the app & makes it non-booty

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Beirdo:

ahhhh

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Beirdo:

ouchy

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juski:

nobody's listening to me yet at work but I hope I'm right :D

[20:47:57]

Beirdo:

and certainly the cause of much frustration

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Beirdo:

is the flash chip socketed still?

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juski:

there aren't many other explanations for the flash getting corrupted like that

[20:48:30]

juski:

socketed? hahaha. it's a BGA device

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Beirdo:

oh crap

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Beirdo:

JTAG crampons here we come!

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Beirdo:

you CAN socket BGA though, but it's rarely done

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juski:

don't get me started about JTAG programming

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juski:

it's horrible

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Beirdo:

we would socket our MPC8260 processors when we were developing with them as they were "pre-engineering samples" when we started

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Beirdo:

the socket's horribly expensive and finnicky too

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Beirdo:

it had to pinch many tiny balls... now that just sounds bad

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juski:

I know what you mean though

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** juski does a quick sum **

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Beirdo:

our flash on the board was TSSOP, so socketing was less impossible (especially for development work)

[20:52:20]

juski:

hahah over £70 saved in a fortnight., nice :)

[20:52:34]

Beirdo:

about $10/day

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juski:

I still feel evil though

[20:53:09]

Beirdo:

this the lack of smokes kickin in?

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tzanger:

what's wrong with jtag?

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juski:

maybe that's how I'd feel without the smokin

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tzanger:

I do embedded devleopment and jtag's great :-)

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juski:

tzanger: slow, complicated. horrible, with the apps the VB wiz's at work 'write'

[20:53:40]

tzanger:

ah

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tzanger:

you need real jtag interfaces... but those are super expensive

[20:54:02]

juski:

they obsfurcate the whole process so that nobody knows how to do it but them

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Beirdo:

but JTAG programming of gacked FLASH is a god-send

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tzanger:

yeppers

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juski:

tzanger: oh we've got the expensive tools.. from JTAG corp. or whatever. just the in-house apps smell of poop

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Beirdo:

I had to fight our board developers to put a JTAG header on our boards. :)

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tzanger:

juski: aha

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juski:

one guy (who's leaving soon) laid out a PSU board for a dome camera using 50 thou tracks for the power lines

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fryfrog:

why so many?

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juski:

fryfrog: 50 thou as in.. 0.050 inch thick

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fryfrog:

ohhh

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fryfrog:

not as in 50,000 different tracks :)

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juski:

so we turned on the 1st prototype & it went ffssssssssst!

[20:57:12]

fryfrog:

why is that good or bad? to thick/thin?

[20:57:16]

fryfrog:

ahhh

[20:57:23]

fryfrog:

too much current, to thin line :)

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juski:

fryfrog: ickle thin tracks can't carry 10 amps

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Beirdo:

fsssst with fire?

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teprrr:

hello there. do you have any ideas if eitonly mode for receiving epg data is broken?

[20:58:29]

juski:

that, and mistakes like putting a clock source at one end of the board & the chip using said clock source at the other side of the board.. as in lateral sides, not opposing faces ;)

[20:58:38]

Beirdo:

way way too thin for power lines with decent current... and I did the firmware and I knew all this stuff

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juski:

Beirdo: with smoke

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Beirdo:

smoke is fun... but disconcerting when on a schedule

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directhex:

teprrr, not unless your hardware has issues

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juski:

Beirdo: I'm only a technician & I know this stuff

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juski:

teprrr: if you're using 0.20-fixes & you imported a channels.conf rather than scanning.. that's yer problem!

[21:00:16]

teprrr:

juski, ahh. it may be because of that import of channels.conf then

[21:00:44]

juski:

teprrr: if scanning inside mythtv-setup doesn't work you should report it

[21:03:40]

teprrr:

juski, well, at least it works when I use the already available channels.conf as a base

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teprrr:

using the version which comes with ubuntu feisty, 0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu6

[21:04:30]

juski:

teprrr: not new enough

[21:04:31]

Saviq:

hi guys – will a Dell GX270 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1543478,00.asp do well for a combined FE/BE? probably FE/slave-BE soon?

[21:04:56]

juski:

reason EIT is failing for you is that it needs information missing from a channels.conf file to work ;)

[21:05:25]

Saviq:

will some HD content play well there?

[21:05:35]

juski:

Saviq: what kind of question is that? you've not given any inkling about the kind of TV you'll be dealing with or anything

[21:05:37]

Tronic:

Someone said that the information actually is in channels.conf, but MythTV just doesn't read it.

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juski:

Tronic: nope

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juski:

it's missing

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juski:

networkid, for one

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Tronic:

The guy who said this said that he had manually written the missing info to the database from channels.conf and then it worked.

[21:06:18]

Saviq:

juski: sorry, this will be mostly DVB-SD, maybe some DivX HD

[21:06:29]

Saviq:

and possibly some DVB-S HD

[21:06:34]

Saviq:

not S2 tho

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directhex:

Saviq, got any links that aren't to useless unrelated reviews on integration into corporate infrastricture?

[21:08:24]

Saviq:

sorry...

[21:09:05]

Saviq:

here's some

[21:09:11]

Tronic:

My channels.conf only seems to contain the callsign, freq, inversion, sr, fec, qam and then three numeric values (presumably pids for video, audio and subs).

[21:09:15]

juski:

Saviq: you might have more luck with a real computer

[21:09:36]

Saviq:

ah

[21:09:38]

Saviq:

meaning?

[21:09:43]

directhex:

hm, i865. pentium 4.

[21:09:53]

directhex:

Saviq, not doing HD today. certainly not h264

[21:09:58]

juski:

Tronic: exactly. mythtv needs the networkid & another piece of info I can't remember right now

[21:10:07]

directhex:

Saviq, and you'll find it hard to put tuners into a slimline box

[21:10:10]

juski:

Saviq: it's a computer that was new in 2004

[21:10:28]

juski:

that's be fine for SDTV, but not HD

[21:10:35]

Saviq:

directhex: the "middlesized" version has two pcis

[21:10:40]

Saviq:

and low profile agp

[21:10:42]

directhex:

and useless as a backend. one pci slot?

[21:10:42]

juski:

ooo as many as that?!

[21:10:57]

Saviq:

here's a pdf

[21:10:58]

Saviq:

http://www.scs.fsu.edu/classroom/Dell/gx270-spec.pdf

[21:11:11]

juski:

Saviq: forget all about it & buy a _real_ computer, not some downsized cheapo business chuckout lot

[21:11:37]

Saviq:

I need to have it downsized as it is to fit under my tv

[21:11:49]

juski:

whatever price they've got em going for where you are – you can doubtless find a real box for less

[21:12:13]

juski:

Saviq: they're not that small in actuality. Where I used to work we had them throughout. They're nasty

[21:12:24]

directhex:

your defense of the box suggests your mind is already made up

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directhex:

so instead of attempting to tell you why it's a bad idea, i will sing a little song

[21:12:36]

juski:

custom motherboards, custom PSUs, custom drive cages..

[21:12:39]

juski:

custom cabling...

[21:12:46]

directhex:

i'm a little teapot, short and stout

[21:12:53]

directhex:

here's my handle, here's my spout

[21:13:09]

directhex:

when i get all steamed up, hear me shout!

[21:13:14]

directhex:

tip me up and pour me out!

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tzanger:

someone's overclocked directhex

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juski:

tra-la-laaa tra-la-la-laaaaaaaaaaaaaa tra-la-laaaaaaaaaa tra-la-la la-laaaa. one banana two banana..

[21:13:37]

directhex:

thank you and goodnight, ladies & germs!

[21:14:12]

Saviq:

ok then ;P

[21:14:16]

juski:

come in here, asking what folks think. folks tell you what they think, you don't understand the negativity..

[21:14:32]

Saviq:

have I said I don't understand?

[21:14:49]

juski:

heh no

[21:14:50]

Saviq:

I do, I'm only a little frustrated as for what to do then

[21:15:09]

juski:

buy a bigger Tv bench ?

[21:15:14]

Saviq:

I don't want a fullsized box lying around

[21:15:18]

directhex:

so don't

[21:15:28]

juski:

shuttle

[21:15:33]

juski:

asus barebones

[21:15:36]

juski:

epia

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directhex:

someone's spent too much time with dells if they think their only options are custom slimlines or full-on atx

[21:15:53]

juski:

antec sonata

[21:16:06]

juski:

hipermedia cases..

[21:16:11]

directhex:

plus, given the client-server design of myth, there's nothing stopping you from putting a fat-arsed backend somewhere hidden & a miniscule frontend like a mac mini under the tv

[21:16:17]

juski:

the possibilities are _endless_ !

[21:16:23]

tzanger:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856171001

[21:16:24]

directhex:

juski, hush, tranquil, most things by silverstone

[21:16:25]

Beirdo:

the Sonata's full-sized, juski, I think you mean the Aria

[21:16:31]

directhex:

coolermaster cavalier 4

[21:16:32]

tzanger:

I tihnk that's a pretty good case, at least from the views I can see

[21:16:43]

Beirdo:

I have 4 Sonatas in my office.

[21:16:44]

Beirdo:

heh

[21:16:45]

juski:

heh. always knew I didn't know my Aria from my elbows

[21:16:56]

Beirdo:

nice and quiet... and my PVR's in an Aria

[21:17:01]

directhex:

lots of things on kustompcs.co.uk

[21:17:05]

directhex:

and linitx.com

[21:17:12]

juski:

mini-itx.com

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juski:

itxwarehouse.com

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juski:

silverstone-tek.com

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directhex:

did we forget anyone who matters?

[21:17:38]

juski:

hushmy maaaf

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juski:

pimp-my-lame-dellmachine.com?

[21:18:24]

Saviq:

easy to say – it's almost impossible to buy these kind of boxes here

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directhex:

juski, that's back to mini-itx.com ;)

[21:18:34]

Saviq:

@good prices to

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juski:

Saviq: get some metal & make one then

[21:18:57]

juski:

nice saturday project for a few weeks :)

[21:19:08]

juski:

innovate & quit whining

[21:19:26]

juski:

where is 'here' anyway?

[21:19:51]

Saviq:

Poland

[21:19:57]

juski:

and unless I've got a bad case of deja-vu – haven't we all been here before?

[21:20:05]

Saviq:

no

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juski:

I'm sure I saw a comic book with some Polish guy asking about HTPC cases

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Saviq:

rotfl

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directhex:

juski, at which point death walks in & claims him?

[21:21:05]

juski:

not sure. but if I were you, if you see any guy point his index finger at your forehead, duck – quick!

[21:21:33]

directhex:

i prefer the neil gaiman view of death, due to the "cute goth girl" aspect

[21:23:39]

juski:

HTPC cases aint exactly easy to come by in the UK either. None of the big PC sheds stock them

[21:23:55]

juski:

and there aren't many places where you can even go & see them before buying

[21:23:58]

Saviq:

well... I'll try those

[21:24:30]

juski:

the antec aria is a nice little case.. and fairly cheap

[21:24:51]

juski:

more expensive than your average beige $20 box, but then what isn't? ;)

[21:28:18]

goregutz:

semi mythtv related: i'm trying to play a file that has DTS audio, i only have 2 channels and i'm using af=channels=2, but i'm only getting the rear surround audio, anyone know how i can fix that?

[21:31:07]

Saviq:

and no antec aria in the places it showed...

[21:32:03]

AngryElf:

how do I get mfe to lookup movie listings/data etc...I see the commands in video settings, but i guess they're not working...?

[21:32:47]

Anduin:

AngryElf: In the video manager, search IMDB

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Saviq:

wow the Aria's ugly...

[21:33:23]

AngryElf:

it has to be done for each title?

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AngryElf:

Anduin, ^^

[21:33:38]

Anduin:

AngryElf: Yes

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zdzisekg:

I've used those htpc cases in the past. it's all worth a sh*t. In the end, the happiest I was with a compaq small form factor PC. virtually noiseless. 2 weeks ago I was at microcenter and saw one of the HP slim line PC's and they look awsome. Somthing worth looking at if you're looking to buy a htpc

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zdzisekg:

you really have to see it for yourself to appriciate it. it's very small and quite. here's a link http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/co . . . 3000y_series

[21:36:50]

AngryElf:

hmm, I'm getting a perl error it looks like: BEGIN=failed--compilation aborted, line 22

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Saviq:

well... I'm afraid I'm going to stick with the ready made small factors...

[21:39:18]

Saviq:

maybe with the next one I'll think of something more efficient

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gpd:

is it worth me googling for ways to get a linux box to boot up on demand at particular times of day? I know Macs can do it easily but I suspect I might need some external ping or something?

[21:39:49]

Anduin:

AngryElf: try from the command line, line 22 is, well, comments

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Saviq:

gpd: BIOS

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directhex:

gpd, there are interfaces to do it

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Saviq:

MythWelcome does it, doesn't it?

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gpd:

Saviq: so it depends what my bios supports? Wake On LAN is the one I remember

[21:41:24]

Saviq:

it definitely supports alarm wake yp

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Saviq:

*up

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Saviq:

but it's probably a bit tougher when it comes to setting it from the software

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gpd:

after I found out that my backend sucks up 220W

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Anduin:

nvram-wake

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Anduin:

gpd: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ACPI_Wakeup

[21:44:09]

gpd:

Anduin: great stuff – thanks :D

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directhex:

gpd, it depends on your BIOS not being written by idiots. not everyone is that fortunate

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gpd:

This is an ASUS P5N-E SLI (/me googles)

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directhex:

asus? good luck

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Saviq:

no chance..

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gpd:

bah

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gpd:

what would you consider a reasonable mobo maker then?

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Saviq:

well looks like my shuttle does it

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gpd:

ie. no monkeys included?

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Anduin:

My old P4p800 works fine, WoL and timed wake

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Saviq:

well let's try...

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Saviq:

will see You in a bit...

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Saviq:

or not ;)

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gpd:

Looks like World of Acronyms... WoA

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gpd:

http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/nvram-wakeu . . . ?view=markup <-- list of supported boards (many asus – not mine)

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juski:

gbee: www.juski.co.uk/newcasebadge2007.png :)

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juski:

should look ace as a domed plastic badger I finks

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gbee:

nice :)

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juski:

should we go dead cheesy & have tshirts?

[21:57:13]

gbee:

yeah, think I'll have more than the one this time, stick one on every machine with mythtv installed ;)

[21:57:18]

juski:

I've seen asda do em pretty cheap is all, so I can get a few done

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juski:

I think they'rk £3 a shirt

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juski:

wth is up with my stupid terminal

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juski:

get t'artwork out of the way asap, then leaves me time to mess with other stuff :)

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juski:

gbee: would I be right in thinking an M ?

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juski:

ouchy... not £3 each at all

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juski:

anyway I'm off to bed.. ttfn

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gbee:

juski: varies, S in some cases, M in others ;)

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gbee:

but normally I'd go with M

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gbee:

juski: only bother if it's cheap enough – no point spending a lot of money on something which probably won't get worn much

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AngryElf:

Shouldn't entering the IMDB number for a film grab the plot also?

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Anduin:

AngryElf: Which version of MythTV are you running?

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Beirdo:

oy. dapper -> feisty is being a painful upgrade on this laptop

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kash:

man, i hate my backend box >:/

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kash:

brb

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AngryElf:

Anduin, 0.19, but, I just downloaded plugins 20a and stole the imdb.pl script from it and that fixed my line22 error

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sajid:

have any of you guys used the CEA's website to check to see if they would have ATSC coverage in their area?

[23:00:39]

sajid:

i did, and i cant tell if the stations are HD or not

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Fnc:

cea which one is that?

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Fnc:

GreyFoxx: you around?

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gbee:

AngryElf: any reason for running such an old version?

[23:04:34]

sajid:

Consumer Electronics Assoc

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Fnc:

url?

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grndslm:

anyone here ever fill up a logical volume (lvm directory)??

[23:04:58]

sajid:

http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/Address.aspx

[23:05:02]

sajid:

only need to enter zipcode

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sajid:

the other stuff is extraneous.

[23:05:18]

sajid:

entering the info on tall buildings and stuff might be useful

[23:05:24]

Fnc:

ok.. thats the one ive used... antennaweb

[23:06:01]

Fnc:

click on show digital stations only

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sajid:

are those necessarily HD?

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Fnc:

also under call sign the -DT

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Fnc:

or the * in the first column

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Fnc:

well.. those should be the stations capable of brodcasting in hd

[23:08:17]

sajid:

oay

[23:08:18]

sajid:

*okay

[23:08:23]

sajid:

damn, Fox isnt there

[23:08:33]

sajid:

lol the two stations that i watch shows on

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sajid:

Fox and NBC

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Fnc:

ya never know til ya actully check for it

[23:08:41]

sajid:

are the two major networks missing

[23:08:45]

sajid:

this is true

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sajid:

but my atenna wont be rooftop

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AngryElf:

gbee, 20 didn't work after a try or two and my .19 script to install everything the way I like works really well :)

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sajid:

itll be near a window, inside a stone building

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Beirdo:

just a word to the wise... if upgrading a dapper box to feisty.... upgrade to edgy FIRST unless you like battling it

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Fnc:

ah.. yikes...

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Fnc:

im on the roof... works real nice

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Beirdo:

I just had to dpkg -r metacity to unbork it

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sajid:

this is for a dorm room

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: get kde?

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Beirdo:

why would I want kde?

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Beirdo:

gnome sucks bad enough :)

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sajid:

cause its better, :-P

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Beirdo:

nah

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Beirdo:

they both suck equally

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GreyFoxx:

?Mmmmm someone is actually working on yth under cygwin again.. cool

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sajid:

true, neither is great

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sajid:

but GNOME is significantly worse

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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sajid:

anyway, there is no chance of this convo goin anywhere

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sajid:

lol

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Beirdo:

I long for the days of fvwm being the "norm"

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sajid:

heh

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Beirdo:

I may eventually just switch back, and to hell with session managers

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sajid:

ive been meaning to give xfce a try

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kash:

xfce rocks

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GreyFoxx:

kash: I like it. At least on my desktop machines. I use to use IceWM, have have moved to XFCE

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GreyFoxx:

now I just use IceWM on my myth boxes

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** kash afk, watching a movie **

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kash:

so long, and thanks for alll the fish

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MrGeoff:

Anyone know why MythTV would cause X to use up a lot of CPU just in the menu? I'm using the QT painter, not OpenGL. It causes a delay of almost a second every time I hit an arrow key to move around the menu.

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directhex:

MrGeoff, which theme?

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MrGeoff:

With OpenGL, the menu is smoother but the CPU usage stays high all the time (with QT it ramps up when I hit an arrow key and stays high for a while after the current menu position changes.

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MrGeoff:

All of them.

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directhex:

MrGeoff, which graphics driver?

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MrGeoff:

radeon

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MrGeoff:

It's only started happening recently.

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MrGeoff:

Always with 0.20-fixes.

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MrGeoff:

Thing is sometimes going into info center resolves it without even having to exit the app.

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MrGeoff:

It's very strange.

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MrGeoff:

I'm trying to work on an strace to see where it's getting stuck

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MrGeoff:

I gotta go now but I'll post that later if I don't hear anything.

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directhex:

i can only think of one thing that would cause that, and that can't be it since you said it happens on all themes

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Beirdo:

look at all the _ :)

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Beirdo:

removing mplayer?!

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Beirdo:

dammit!

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directhex:

Beirdo, mplayer's evil!

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Beirdo:

meh

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Beirdo:

I use it to listen to online radio stations

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Beirdo:

it will be reinstalled later :)

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Beirdo:

even if I have to beat apt with a large stick

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directhex:

apt is your friend. apt will not bite you or lock you in the basement

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Beirdo:

dpkg is your friend :)

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chadmaynard:

My remote isn't working.... Is there a guide or easy way to start troubleshooting?

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directhex:

there's nothing "easy" where LIRC is involved. just lots of hard, unpleasant work

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directhex:

which i'm too tired to help with. so try looking on your distro's wiki for a reference

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fryfrog:

you should just thank your lucky stars there is no actual anal rape involved, just figurativly :/

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chadmaynard:

is there a way to see if lirc is even receiving commands?

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fryfrog:

irw, or mode2 i think?

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chadmaynard:

thanks, when i run mode2 -d /dev/lirc0 and then press a button i see tons of..... well stuff. I guess that means the remote is getting to /dev/lirc0

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