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Tuesday, May 15th, 2007, 00:05 UTC

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Aquahallic:

anyone having probs with mythweb time?

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a5benwillis:

Aquahallic: Cant say that I am...

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Fnc:

so theres lots of updates in 21 for mythweb huh? there screen shots anywhere?

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Johan-:

why dont you just install it?

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Fnc:

think im gunna wait til things are officially released

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Johan-:

fair enough, but it's not hard to setup another box or a virtual machine and make a copy of your database .. doesn't have to break your current install

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Tanthrix:

That sure is an efficient way to find out the look of an updated program!

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Johan-:

if you want to see the latest bleeding edge code then have a play with it. asking other people to do the work for you just so you can see if it looks better sounds like sheer laziness to me

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a5benwillis:

I dont know why but my virtual machines have been screwing up my OS whenever I try to write anything to the virtual drive. Freezes for like 15 mins,

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a5benwillis:

sucks

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Tanthrix:

Asking if there are any screen shots up == "asking other people to do the work for you" ?? (Warning: Does not parse.)

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Fnc:

greez i just ask if there were screen shots

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Johan-:

tanthrix: it's work to setup and maintain a current svn setup. taking screenshots is not exactly high on someone who maintains such a setup's priority list.

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Tanthrix:

Johan-: I'll say it differently this time: "are there any screen shots up" != "please go install this software for me, take screen shots, post them, then give me the link"

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Fnc:

;) espicially since the guy that wrote it hangs out here...

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Johan-:

lol, all the people who develop myth hang out around here (well, more in #mythtv anyway)

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Johan-:

tanthrix: agreed, however i think sometimes users – especially those of open source products demand a lot (not that asking for screenshots is demanding a lot, it does mean someone has to do them though)

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Tanthrix:

Very true. Entirely unrelated to the point at hand, and a complete straw man in this case, but definately true. :P

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Johan-:

tanthrix: i never said i was trying to make sense.

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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Tanthrix:

a5benwillis: By the way, MaverickTech informed me that if you press "1" while in top you can see both cores, just in case you need to for future reference. (Beats mpstat since you can make it update uber fast)

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a5benwillis:

nice, I'll give it a try

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Tanthrix:

Anyone know why switching from OSS emulation to ALSA would make the internal player crash while doing mpeg4 stuff with the internal player?

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a5benwillis:

since were asking questions :-)

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a5benwillis:

-Has anyone experienced blotchy video when viewing at 16:9 aspect ratio? When I set to native aspect things look crisp...

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a5benwillis:

-It's almost like lines form in the picture.

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kormoc:

when you take things and distort them to fit in a non-natural way, they do tend to get... distorted

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Tanthrix:

Well, if you're viewing letterboxed stuff from SD 4:3 video, it has to zoom in to make it fill your wide screen set

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a5benwillis:

yeah, I just figured there was a way around it.. Im sure everyone with a widescreen wants to fill the screen :)

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Tanthrix:

So you're left with video that's like 640x320 or something

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Tanthrix:

Very small amount to stretch to full a big wide screen TV

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a5benwillis:

so 16:9 stretch mode?

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Tanthrix:

So unless you're describing something else, I suspect you're just seeing why SD content is no good

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a5benwillis:

makes sense to me

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Tanthrix:

I do manual zoom mode myself

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kash:

well, my raid failed and now all my shit's gone :(

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a5benwillis:

ouch

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kash:

good thing i either watched everything the other day or decided it was rubbish and deleted it anyhow

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kash:

plus, i saved the DB

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kash:

:)

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Tanthrix:

a5benwillis: I watch all 4:3 stuff pillarboxed because I don't like stretching (even the smart stretching that my TV does where the sides are stretched more than the middle)

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kash:

i think i'm going to put Gentoo on that box now

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kash:

Tanthrix: i hte that smart stretching

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Tanthrix:

a5benwillis: And for 16:9 SD material (Mythbusters for instance) I do manual zoom mode and zoom until it fills the screen, generally slightly pillarboxed since they overscan a bit, so it's not true 16:9

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kash:

when a camera pans, it looks like a fish eye

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Tanthrix:

a5benwillis: 4:3 zoom goes too much, so you end up cutting off the sides

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a5benwillis:

I'll try manual zoom

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Tanthrix:

kash: I find that less distracting then a linear stretch, though I can't stand both

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a5benwillis:

I really need to try some HD content

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Tanthrix:

a5benwillis: What about those clips you downloaded for me?

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kash:

i wish i had a HD tuner :(

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kash:

oh well

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Tanthrix:

There's more on the site if you google apple HD

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a5benwillis:

oh, they look great

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Tanthrix:

Microsoft has a similar site

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a5benwillis:

I meant I need to get ahold of some HD streams...

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a5benwillis:

from Sat.

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Tanthrix:

Oh, gotcha

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kash:

my frontend can't really play HD

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Sid`:

all the HD streams here are crap, they're either anamorphic 960x720, or 720x576p50 which somehow counts as 'HD' here

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kash:

i mean, it couldn't before i got more RAM and haven't checked since

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Sid`:

which is a total waste of time

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kash:

how you doin sid

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Sid`:

good man

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Sid`:

how are ya

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Tanthrix:

Sid`: Weird, that sucks.

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Sid`:

i got an exam in 2 hours

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kash:

i'm good

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jhulst:

I have a 1.4 ghz machine with 512 mb of ram in it, will that be sufficient to play live TV decently?

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Sid`:

so i'm home studyin

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kash:

lol, nice

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kash:

for what? work?

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Sid`:

yeah

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Sid`:

its just the SCSA, nothing stressful

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kash:

good luck :)

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Sid`:

just means learning all the new stuff in sol10

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Tanthrix:

jhulst: With a PVR-xxx card, doing SD stuff, you should be fine

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kash:

jhulst: it is for me, depends on if you've got a software or hardware card though

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jhulst:

it's a pvr150

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kash:

jhulst: 450MHz would be fine :P

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Tanthrix:

jhulst: I ran my main front end / back end system on a 1.1 GHz system very well for about a year and a half

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Sid`:

any of you guys tried to run mythbackend in a xen driver domain? does it work?

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jhulst:

I have it installed right now and the live tv seems very choppy

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jhulst:

s/seems/is

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Tanthrix:

jhulst: But recordings play fine?

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kash:

Sid`: it works fine

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Sid`:

kash: rad.

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kash:

but don't try to do the frontend

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kash:

:)

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Sid`:

kash: nah, none of my xen machines have anything better than onboard video

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jhulst:

Tanthrix: haven't tried that yet

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kash:

Sid`: gonna run a backend on your machine in the states?

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Sid`:

kash: pondering it, yeah

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kash:

hmm, that would be tight if you could do that

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Sid`:

kash: moreso that i want to move my tuners to another room

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kash:

and put a tuner in it

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Tanthrix:

jhulst: run 'top -d .3' in a terminal while playing and check what your CPU usage is.

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kash:

brb, rebooting my backend into a livecd

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Sid`:

and that room's where all the antenna points are

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Sid`:

but hey, thats a really bloody good idea kash

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Sid`:

it's not like i don't have co-lo machines and bandwidth up the wazoo in america... wonder if i could convince em to plug in an ATSC card into one of them

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Sid`:

that would be eleet

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Sid`:

so to speak

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Tanthrix:

jhulst: Also, make sure your hard drive has dma enabled with hdparm.

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jhulst:

cpu is running mostly in the 90's

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pjz:

anyone know why I can't seem to archive a dvd using ubuntu feisty's mythdvd package?

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Tanthrix:

Something isn't right then

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Tanthrix:

What decoder are you using?

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Tanthrix:

(And also, it is myth that's using all the CPU right, not something else in the background...?)

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kash:

lol sid

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kash:

i doubt they would do it

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kash:

but if you've been with them for a while they might

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Tanthrix:

pjz: Good that you caught yourself, they get cranky if you ask support questions in the dev room ;)

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jhulst:

Without mythtv running, it's around 3% cpu usage

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jhulst:

Tanthrix: decoder?

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Tanthrix:

jhulst: In the playback settings, you can choose "standard" "xvmc" etc..

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Tanthrix:

But I take it by your question you haven't changed the default, which shouldn't be doing this

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pjz:

Tanthrix: heh, yah, I bet; I just guessed there'd be a mythtv channel and almost didn't read the /topic in time :)

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Tanthrix:

Yes, it's rather illogical how it's setup, but that's how it goes

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jhulst:

Tanthrix: correct, it's on default

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Tanthrix:

jhulst: Hrm. Just for the hell of it, try "mplayer /dev/video0" and see what your CPU usage is

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pjz:

Tanthrix: enh, no big deal. any chance you can point me in the right direction?

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Tanthrix:

pjz: No need, you're here – this is the support channel.

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pjz:

Tanthrix: I can watch a DVD just fine (via mythtv) and record and watch live TV just fine (if that matters)

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kash:

cpu usage should be 0%, Tanthrix

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pjz:

Tanthrix: right, but I meant point me in the right direction about how to solve my problem :)

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kash:

:/

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jhulst:

Tanthrix: It's around 70% but very smooth

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Tanthrix:

Er, I'm stupid and didn't see your earlier line

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jhulst:

The video is very smooth

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Tanthrix:

pjz: Sorry, don't use ubuntu.

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Tanthrix:

jhulst: Still, that's way too high for SD stuff. What video card are you using?

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jhulst:

It's an older s3 virge card, 32 mb onboard video

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Tanthrix:

I would suspect that may be your problem.

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Sid`:

an S3 virge with 32MB?

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Sid`:

that's a massive virge

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Sid`:

that said, an S3 virge should have no problems rendering SD fine

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jhulst:

It's too old?

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Sid`:

what kind of virge is it?

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jhulst:

S3 Inc. 86c988 [ViRGE/VX] (rev 02)

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Sid`:

ah

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Sid`:

mplayer's xv howto reckons that virges are useless for Xv playback

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nero:

argh.. reboot, and my sound stops working.

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jhulst:

Sid': shoot

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Sid`:

shouldnt be too much hassle to get a cheapie AGP card that'll do the trick and has reasonable Xv

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Sid`:

get a second-hand 5200 off ebay for like $10

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Tanthrix_AFK:

Man this place is getting all netsplitty lately

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jhulst:

Sid': Unfortunately no AGP in this PC

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Sid`:

jhulst: pci only?

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jhulst:

yeah

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Sid`:

eek

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Tanthrix:

jhulst: Did you get what I said about mplayer's effiecy, or did you lose me in the netsplit?

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jhulst:

Tanthrix: I think I lost it

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Tanthrix:

jhulst: And the deal with mplayer is that (at least in my experience) myth's player is not as efficient. I have HD stuff spikes my CPU when using myth's internal player, but then it works perfectly via mplayer

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Tanthrix:

Some people have reacted as if I am a heretic for saying this, and I tend to agree that it doesn't quite make sense, but it's what I have observed

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jhulst:

Tanthrix: mplayers page says that the card itself is slow

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jhulst:

I have an onboard SiS card that I'm wondering if I should switch to

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Tanthrix:

Definately worth a try.

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Tanthrix:

Basically I'm just saying that if you're on the edge, mplayer might work when myth won't

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jhulst:

The PC only has a pci slot in it, any reccomendations for a decent card?

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kash:

nVIdia anything

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Tanthrix:

So your card is causing too much CPU usage, just a little too much for myth to get by on

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jhulst:

Onboard, lspci says it's AGP/PCI

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jhulst:

Tanthrix: Sounds good, I try the SiS card, maybe I'll get a decent graphics card if you guys think this system still has a chance

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Tanthrix:

Try the SiS before you buy, but newer (GF4 or higher) pci card will work great

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jhulst:

Tanthrix: That would be wonderful :)

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jhulst:

Not bad for a machine someone was throwing away

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Sid`:

jhulst: check the bus ID

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Sid`:

if it's 1:x:y it's likely AGP

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Sid`:

if its 0:x:y it

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Sid`:

's likely PCI

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jhulst:

Sid`: it is 1:

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Tanthrix:

I also run a SD front end on a 1GHZ PIII pretty decently

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Sid`:

(it's more complex than that, but that'll hold true in 99% of base cases)

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kash:

i wish i could play HD on my 2.8GHz

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kash:

but 720p is horrible

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tzanger:

ok I've got a dumb question

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tzanger:

I have granted privileges on the mythconverg table to everyone

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jhulst:

Now to figure out what its going to take for the SiS, I think I have to recompile the kernel, yay :)

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Sid`:

???

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Sid`:

why recompile?

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tzanger:

but mysql -h localhost -u mythtv mythconverg still spits out an access denied

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Sid`:

should be as simple as unplugging the S3, re-enabling the onboard video, and changing the Driver and BusID lines in your x conf

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Sid`:

tzanger: mythconverg is a database, not a table

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jhulst:

all right, I'll try that

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Sid`:

try (as root) GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO MYTHTV IDENTIFIED BY 'password'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES;

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tzanger:

Sid`: right, wrong nomenclature, that is what I had meant to say

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Sid`:

did you do a flush privileges?

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Sid`:

oh, and that 'MYTHTV' should be lowercase, my bad

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tzanger:

Sid`: yes

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tzanger:

I'm using the exact setup for 'no security' as posted in the howto

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tzanger:

mysql -u root mythconverg

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tzanger:

grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv";

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tzanger:

flush privileges;

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tzanger:

no errors come out of it

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Sid`:

yeah, you wont get errors

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Sid`:

cos thats valid syntax

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Sid`:

if the mythtv@% user already had another password, tho

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Sid`:

that's going to cause weirdness

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tzanger:

"skip_networking" is commented out in my.cnf

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Sid`:

try delete from mysql.user where user like 'mythtv%';

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Sid`:

then try again

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Sid`:

i think 'user' is the column name

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Sid`:

i hate mysql

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tzanger:

Sid`: two rows were affected, but still no go

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tzanger:

me too, I'm a postgres kind of guy

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Sid`:

back later, exam

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kash:

bbl

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tzanger:

hmm

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tzanger:

select Host,User,Select_priv,Insert_priv from mysql.user; shows 'N' for the insert/select columns for mythtv@% even after the grant

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RaYmAn-Bx:

perms are prolly stored in a seperate table, unless it's "global" permissions

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tzanger:

ok I see the problem now

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tzanger:

netstat -apn does not show mysql listening

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tzanger:

just hte unix socket

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SlicerDicer-:

anybody familar with how to deal with overscan on a HDTV?

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ARfdee:

what would be the reason for occasional audio pops?

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kash:

lots

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kash:

crappy sound card

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kash:

bad audio cable

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kash:

bad speakers

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ARfdee:

it like just started

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ARfdee:

it's exclusive to myth playback

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kash:

livetv even?

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ARfdee:

i don't think so

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kash:

i can't think of anything, then again, my brain isn't working right today :)

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: you familar with overscan?

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defendguin:

my database is messed up

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kash:

houston? me too :p

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defendguin:

all of a sudden i have no channel db

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defendguin:

yeah i'm in houston

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defendguin:

i tried running mythfilldatabase but that didn't fix it

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kash:

is mysql running

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defendguin:

5081 ? Sl 1:42 /usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --user=mysql --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --skip-external-locking -

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defendguin:

5033 ? S 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/mysqld_safe

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defendguin:

kash: does that mean its running?

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kash:

yes

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kash:

i'd say drop the db and re-import it if there's not anything important, like recording schedules..

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defendguin:

nothing important

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defendguin:

how do you drop it?

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jhulst_:

Could someone with a pvr150 give me the output of their lsmod?

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defendguin:

one moment

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kash:

jhulst_: you use ivtv

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jhulst_:

kash: correct

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kash:

and?

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jhulst_:

I had it working, rebooted the machine and now cat /dev/video0 gives me no output

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hads:

ivtv is the module you want

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jhulst_:

I think it's more a problem with i2c

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jhulst_:

modprobe ivtv doesn't fix it

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kash:

is there a /dev/video1 ?

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jhulst_:

no

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jhulst_:

dmesg

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Tanthrix:

http://novae-res.org/dmesg.txt also

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jhulst_:

Tanthrix: Thanks, I was missing the i2c modules and the cx25840

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Tanthrix:

NP

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jhulst_:

How should I add that so it starts up automatically?

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Tanthrix:

Put in /etc/rc.local

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Tanthrix:

Though for my setup all I have in there is "modprobe ivtv"

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Tanthrix:

Probably a better way of doing that, but it works for me

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Aquahallic:

anyone had any probs with mythweb having the time shifted??

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xris:

Aquahallic: lots of people who didn't set their timezone settings properly

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xris:

afk, need food.

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Aquahallic:

well.. I'm in New York tz

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xris:

make sure php.ini has the correct timezone. php has its own settings separate from the OS

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Aquahallic:

hmmm

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Aquahallic:

lemme look at that

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Aquahallic:

:P

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jhulst_:

hmm, just static now

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jhulst_:

I wonder if my SiS graphics is conflicting, it looks like it is using i2c as well

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Tanthrix:

jhulst: Check my lsmod – you can see my nvidia card is using i2c-core, so that's probably normal

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jhulst:

I wonder why my modprobe ivtv doesn't get all that it needs to

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kash:

i2c is just a way of getting data from a card

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Aquahallic:

xris so if I'm using EDT for my OS timezone... in php.ini would it be 'date.timezone = EDT'

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Aquahallic:

or would it be something like localtime??

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xris:

Aquahallic: mine's set to blank

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xris:

or rather, commented out.

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xris:

dunno

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defendguin:

kash: how do i dump the db?

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kash:

google it

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kash:

i'm off, sleeping

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kash:

night

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defendguin:

night

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Led-Hed:

anyone got some time to help me with an LIRC install on Ubuntu?

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Led-Hed:

I have installed lirc and build the modules with Module-assistant, it says the modules are installed, but when I modprobe lirc_serial it says that it cant find the module.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I have no idea what Module-assistant is, but are you sure that lirc_serial was enabled in your compile?

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Led-Hed:

RaYmAn-Bx, Yes, I did a dpgk-reconfigure and selected "Serial" and specified the IO ports and IRQ

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Led-Hed:

I also verified it in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf

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SlicerDicer-:

fracking hell... I hate overscan

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Aquahallic:

with mythweb.. is there any way to change the listings to be in half hour increments and not 5 mins??

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it's open source! you can change whatever you want to! :)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

(i.e. I have no idea if there is an *easy* way)

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SlicerDicer-:

lol RaYmAn-Bx :) I love that answer

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SlicerDicer-:

is there something wrong with the latest SVN?

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Anduin:

SlicerDicer-: I hope not

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Have you tried to look for means to access your set's service menu, should it have one? Sometimes they have overscan adjustment options in there]

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SlicerDicer-:

Anduin: heh I am just having issues compiling is all

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gejr:

I have got my Microsoft MCE remote to work fine in Myth, but I can't get it to work with mplayer. So now I can start a video but I can't get back out of it without using the keyboard. Any tips for this?:)

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xris:

gejr: use Internal instead of mplayer?

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gejr:

where do i choose that, xris?

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xris:

frontend/video settings

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gejr:

ya..and under player settings?

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Tanthrix:

Hrm..."Cannot initalize video" when attempting to playback a recording

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gejr:

its a line there that says: mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s

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gejr:

what would be the command for internal?:o

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xris:

gejr: Internal

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xris:

title case

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Tanthrix:

VideoOutputXv Error: Failed to open display. <--- That's a new one for me.

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Tanthrix:

Er, uh, the option to specify which decoder to use is missing from the playback settings page. Is this something new?

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: Just moved a few pages deeper

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Tanthrix:

I've been starting myth from my CRT desktop with the command "DISPLAY=:0.1 mythfrontend" so I can see the output of the frontend while it's working

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Tanthrix:

And after closing mythfrontend, I just tried to start it like that again, and I'm getting "Xlib: connection to :0.1 refused by server"

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gejr:

xris: ok...that gave some progress..thanks:) while we're at it..where can I see/set hotkeys for this internal player? I can't find it in Setup/Edit Keys..

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Tanthrix:

Even though I haven't so much as restarted X, let alone changed anything since earlier

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Tanthrix:

Odd, no?

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xris:

gejr: it's the same player as the tv stuff. same keys control it

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Tanthrix:

(And starting myth on my LCD TV directly does work)

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Sid`:

gejr: it's under 'tv playback'

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, run it as the same user X is running as?

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gejr:

so i can use the keys in "tv playback"

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gejr:

ah..right..thanks Sid` :)

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: I am, still doesn't work.

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Tanthrix:

I literally started myth the exact same way earlier today. I simply closed it, pressed the up arrow to get my last command, pressed enter, and got this.

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Tanthrix:

At least I know it's not myth causing the problems

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Tanthrix:

Restarting X seemed to fixed it, but it makes me nervous

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** Tanthrix does not like mysterious random errors that fix themselves **

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gejr:

Now lirc is setup nicely:) I still think the remote control buttons should be a lot more sensitive though. The TV doesn't react unless I hit the buttons like a madman. Any idea how to improve this performance?

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xris:

never had that trouble with my mceusb2 remote.

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gejr:

maybe i did something wrong during the setup

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gejr:

like..how did you do the irrecord part?

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xris:

didn't. just used the conf file included with lirc

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gejr:

that's probably what i should do too..do you by any chance remember where it was situated?

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xris:

rpm put it in the docs directory somewhere.. dir with a bunch of other similar files

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gejr:

hm../usr/share/lirc/remotes/mceusb/lircd.conf.mceusb could that be it?

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gejr:

:)

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xris:

corresponding mythtv lircrc file is in mythtv's contrib dir

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gejr:

and I would need to restart lircd right ?

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gejr:

i don't think i have the corresponding file..:/

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gejr:

doesn't seem to be anything useful in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/

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hads:

You can get it from trac

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gejr:

somewhere on lirc.org?

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hads:

Since he said mythtv's contrib dir, um, no ;) svn.mythtv.org

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gejr:

i apologize..i'm not too good at this:) And these trac stuff has never done anything but confuse me. I'll see if I can understand this one.

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hads:

No need to apologise, I was just being smart.

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hads:

There is the contrib dir; http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . thtv/contrib

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gejr:

i think i might've downloaded everything..:) i ran svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv as instructed on that site...downloaded quite a number of files

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hads:

Yeah, not quite what you want :)

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gejr:

and even a contrib directory with the file i wanted..but ye..guess that was overkill :)

[06:18:42]

hads:

That is also the development version, not the version that you are using I would say.

[06:19:04]

hads:

But no drama if you're just looking for a lircrc file

[06:19:28]

gejr:

nah..unless they've changed lately

[06:19:35]

gejr:

changed it*

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hads:

Doubtful

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gejr:

ah...sweet. I used the config files as suggested and now the remote works beautifully. No lag at all! Thanks a million, both of you!:)

[06:23:17]

gejr:

I wonder what might've caused that lag though

[06:23:31]

gejr:

but let's not worry about that now. I'm content! :)

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juski:

so apart from the obvious around here, who in the UK is going to lugradio live?

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gbee:

stony silence

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juski:

heh not to worry – always hope to meet a regular from IRC or the forums but never do

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juski:

maybe a good thing!

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Tanthrix:

Definately a good thing.

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directhex:

i'll be busy getting married. sorry juski

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juski:

oof

[07:51:58]

juski:

I mean good luck & congrats!

[07:57:42]

juski:

hokees that's the announcement made on -users

[07:59:06]

juski:

note.. I'm _definitely_ going – no ifs no buts.. etc.. I say the stupidest shite when I'm stressed at work

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Dibblah:

juski: I would, if I was further down south :(

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juski:

good job we got our team already then eh :)

[09:12:53]

juski:

my demo box – aka the dustbin – needs a respray

[09:25:19]

** directhex|work boggles at $30,000 per year software which won't compile due to using C consts that were marked as legacy in the 1980s **

[09:31:56]

** juski boggles at hardware that doesn't work once we put it in the box, and fails to work even afterwards **

[09:33:18]

** gbee just boggles **

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** Dibblah boggles at a motherboard saying "overcurrent" on all USB ports... Even the unconnected ones. **

[09:35:54]

juski:

my epia does that in ubunut

[09:36:11]

Dibblah:

It has been running a 15m USB string for a year just fine.

[09:36:16]

juski:

usb stuff still works too, so I tend to ignore the lying driver

[09:36:17]

Dibblah:

Now... It's not.

[09:36:43]

Dibblah:

No software changes, so it appears it's just given up.

[09:36:58]

Dibblah:

"I'm tired of the shouting and am not doing it any more"

[09:37:29]

Dibblah:

So, do I buy new FE hardware?

[09:37:49]

quicksilver:

I had a USB hub blow after a year or two

[09:37:50]

** Dibblah wishes EPIAs didn't hold their value so damn well :( **

[09:37:55]

quicksilver:

the current finally tripped it

[09:38:00]

quicksilver:

new hub solved it though

[09:39:21]

Dibblah:

quicksilver: Unfortunately, no. It's the motherboard :(

[09:39:54]

quicksilver:

ah

[09:41:31]

juski:

epias hold their value? wooohoo!

[09:42:50]

Dibblah:

Have a look on ebay..

[09:42:53]

Dibblah:

It's scary.

[09:42:56]

juski:

well I'll rephrase that

[09:42:58]

directhex|work:

well, yeah. there's been nothing faster released. not really. not in that market niche

[09:42:59]

juski:

they hold their PRICE

[09:43:27]

directhex|work:

except for the pentium-m boards, which let's be honest, are better. if 3–4x more expensive overall

[09:44:55]

directhex|work:

AOpen i945GTt-VFA – core2 duo mini-itx. neat. >£200 though, without a processor

[09:45:31]

directhex|work:

onboard intel grapics, sound, etc. pretty complete, really

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directhex|work:

of course, once you add in the cost of an appropriate case, hard disk, etc, you'd be better off with a mac mini

[09:48:30]

hugolp:

directhex amd is the way to go

[09:48:35]

hugolp:

its cheaper

[09:49:05]

juski:

and hotter

[09:50:15]

hugolp:

but for the price you get a good cpu and use it at 50% and it doesnt get hot

[09:50:16]

Dagmar:

Cooler

[09:50:18]

Dibblah:

I don't care about _small_.

[09:50:26]

Dagmar:

Chix dig 'em

[09:50:31]

Dibblah:

I care about low power at idle.

[09:50:32]

hugolp:

my front end is a amd athlon 3000

[09:50:49]

hugolp:

and using mythtv never goes higher than 30%

[09:51:11]

quicksilver:

mine is around the same, my mythtv never goes higher than abour 4%

[09:51:12]

Dibblah:

My previous (now) was a AMD Geode – 40w draw from the wall.

[09:51:34]

juski:

damn that isn't much mroe than an epia m10000 going flat out

[09:52:38]

hugolp:

quicksilver 4%?!?! explain me how you do it

[09:52:55]

juski:

not using open source VGA drivers :) i bet

[09:53:09]

hugolp:

I am using propietary nvidia drivers

[09:53:14]

gbee:

40w? Hmm how well does the Geode handle mythtv?

[09:53:33]

quicksilver:

hugolp: SD tv, from a DVB card, just doesn't take much juice...

[09:53:34]

gbee:

I could really do with a low power solution

[09:53:38]

gejr:

Does the Internal player in myth show subtitles in .srt or .sub format ?

[09:53:48]

directhex|work:

hugolp, right now there's only one two things going for amd – and only one of those matters to end users

[09:53:59]

Dagmar:

Really?

[09:54:02]

directhex|work:

gejr, it certainly doesn't support them embedded in .ogm files

[09:54:08]

Dagmar:

When did they add porn extentions to the CPU?

[09:54:48]

gejr:

directhex: I just wonder if it plays .sub or .srt when i have file.avi and file.srt in the same folder

[09:54:54]

gejr:

you know..like vlc and stuff

[09:54:58]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, an amd rig is a bit cheaper than an intel rig. performance isn't comparable, but it's cheaper. that's the only pro for amd today

[09:55:14]

Dagmar:

SPend the same money as an intel rig and you'll get the same performance

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hugolp:

quicksilver: when I watch live DVB-T tv (the dvb card is in the back end not in this computer) I always get arround 25%-30% load in the cpu.

[09:57:45]

gbee:

as far as I'm concerned, cheaper is always a big factor

[09:58:02]

gejr:

gbee: does that link mean it should be included or that I need to install something to make it work?:)

[09:58:04]

juski:

same here

[09:58:11]

gbee:

hugolp: I get 15–25% on my laptop for DVB-T

[09:58:34]

hugolp:

thanks gbee, thats more like me

[09:58:40]

juski:

my epia frontend is starting to look like it really doesn't have enough headroom in the cpu

[09:59:00]

gbee:

gejr: it's just the ticket from a year ago, when support was added

[09:59:08]

gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/10067 is the actual commit

[09:59:38]

juski:

mythtv's playback code ain't as efficient as er.. it could be so that doesn't help. and besides needing xvmc just to play back SDTV at all let alone without jerks is just shite

[09:59:57]

gbee:

hugolp: it doesn't seem to vary much between my frontends, even though the CPUs are very different

[10:00:23]

hugolp:

gbee: yes, I guess a lot of the job is done in the video card

[10:00:35]

juski:

a celeron M 733 can play back the same stuff & deinterlace in under 50% CPU with no xvmc, yet the epia m10k can't play i without xvmc full stop

[10:00:41]

hugolp:

mine is suposed to have mpeg2 acceleration or decoding, whatever is called

[10:00:55]

gbee:

an 1.4Ghz Thunderbird uses 30% but that's only with bodeint enabled, otherwise it's around 20–25%

[10:01:00]

juski:

hugolp: nvidia xvmc only helps with mpeg decoding

[10:01:22]

juski:

from my experience, if you can play without xvmc, do so

[10:01:42]

hugolp:

juski: and when I am watching live tv my computer is doing mpeg decoding right?

[10:01:56]

hugolp:

I am allways talking about dvb-t

[10:02:18]

gbee:

juski: I've played with xvmc because the black and white OSD wasn't worth the improvement in CPU use

[10:02:56]

gbee:

now Daniel has probably solved the OSD issues by now, but I've not tried XvMC in 18 months or more

[10:03:17]

gbee:

s/played/play without/

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directhex|work:

gbee, hey, that's neat. it suggests there's a minimum of hackery needed to get internal subs working

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juski:

hugolp: best leave mpeg decoding to the CPU

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juski:

xvmc can _help_ but it brings as many problems as it solves

[10:07:49]

juski:

besides you should only need xvmc for standard def. TV if you have < 700Mhz CPU

[10:07:56]

gbee:

directhex: yeah, it shouldn't be too bad if ffmpeg can be made to properly classify the stream

[10:10:18]

gbee:

anyone reckon these 'Hi-Gain' (5.5–6dBi) wi-fi aerials are really any better than the basic ones they supply with the cards?

[10:10:43]

quicksilver:

well 'hi-gain' means directional, basically

[10:11:01]

quicksilver:

you would expect a directional aerial to give significantly better performance than a non-directional one

[10:11:06]

quicksilver:

(as long as you point it the right way)

[10:11:23]

quicksilver:

only worth it if you know you have a reception problem, I guess

[10:11:41]

quicksilver:

I get decent reception ground floor -> second floor, but my house is mainly made of wood

[10:12:40]

directhex|work:

i pulled an antenna off an old pci wireless card to significantly improve my router's transmit radius

[10:13:32]

gbee:

I'm only looking at it for one machine, which is generally ok but struggles a little with streaming to a remote frontend because it's sited in a recess between the chimney and two external brick walls

[10:15:13]

Dagmar:

Not all of the "hi-gain" antennas are directionals

[10:15:31]

Dagmar:

...but you can probably do better (especially for cheaper) with a handmade parabolic reflector

[10:15:54]

Dagmar:

...or point-to-point with a pair of cantennas

[10:16:17]

Dagmar:

p-t-p with cantennas is usually good for 300 yards or more

[10:19:13]

gbee:

yeah, might not fit in with the living room decor ;)

[10:38:55]

juski:

anticipating the kind of questions we're gonna get at LRL & need to be fore-armed :)

[10:39:34]

directhex|work:

it looks like a hack job, but the story seems plausible

[10:39:48]

quicksilver:

juski: I think the answer is 'yes, but you need to be willing to hack a bit'

[10:39:51]

juski:

it was always gonna be a hack job

[10:39:52]

quicksilver:

no personal experience though

[10:39:54]

directhex|work:

and given appletv is just a low-end intel pc, not exactly tricky

[10:40:17]

juski:

pity it's so expensive. I'd buy one for a SD frontend in the blink of an eye otherwise

[10:40:43]

directhex|work:

i still need optics on my frontends

[10:40:45]

Dagmar:

http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/programguide-live.png

[10:40:51]

juski:

esp. by the time you buy yer scart adapter

[10:40:57]

** gbee wasn't really prepared for all the questions at LW **

[10:41:03]

Dagmar:

Now comes the fun part... diddling the backgrounds of the cells so that they wind up with a 2px border between them

[10:41:24]

directhex|work:

gbee, bring a laptop and google. google knows all!

[10:41:33]

juski:

Dagmar: do the curves have to be assymetrical?

[10:41:53]

gbee:

directhex: I will be bringing the laptop, although I don't know if we'll have internet access

[10:41:54]

juski:

or even asymmetrical

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Dagmar:

juski: I have yet to see any examples (that don't look like crap) that use rounded curves

[10:42:07]

juski:

gbee: always assume no to net access

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Dagmar:

Seems to be a brush-stroke kinda thing

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directhex|work:

juski, okay, download the internet then. or at lease a->c. tell people with questions stating d-z that they're not worth your time

[10:43:07]

juski:

Dagmar: oh you mean any examples of lcars stuff which have equal ratio rounded corners

[10:43:21]

Dagmar:

That and perfectly round corners

[10:43:30]

juski:

that reminds me

[10:43:32]

Dagmar:

THey're always based on a simple golden ratio

[10:43:40]

juski:

I was thinking about themes in general this morning on the way to work

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juski:

I could make a lot of themes suck a lot less by cleaning up their graphics – stuff like outline boxes & highlight bars.. they look fucking awful in the default theme which most themes (sadly) laze out & use

[10:45:12]

juski:

like tv_lbox.png looks like it could do with being redrawn at the proper scale

[10:45:28]

juski:

I'm itching to get going as the official theme maintainer – just gimme the word!

[10:45:28]

Dagmar:

This is why I've been beating on this XML code because it's a major hassle to manually redo the coordinates of everything when I move something

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directhex|work:

juski, my personal pet peeve is outline boxes for every single goddamn thing

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juski:

directhex|work: yes but where there are outline boxes, let them not be shitty ones!

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Dagmar:

I'm going to have to do a comb check on this when I push it onto my box

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directhex|work:

juski, SVG!

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Dagmar:

I reduced the gaps from 3px to 2px, and I'm not sure that is going to do well at 1024x768

[10:47:01]

juski:

directhex|work: SVG for themes.. ffs no way no way. not ever

[10:47:07]

directhex|work:

or even better, glvertex!

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Dagmar:

juski: But that would make things much simple

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Dagmar:

er simpler

[10:47:24]

juski:

that would make more themes suck harder

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juski:

you can't embed bitmaps in svg properly

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Dagmar:

Yes you can

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Dagmar:

THey just don't rescale for crap because they're bitmaps

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juski:

inkscape can't seem to

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Dagmar:

Maybe upgrade to 0.45.1 then?

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juski:

it saves the files & embeds the location but nothing else

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Dagmar:

It's been behaving okay for me

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juski:

anyway over my dead body for svg guys

[10:48:38]

Dagmar:

heh

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Dagmar:

Okay yeah the way it embeds the absolute location *is* retarded, I'll give you that

[10:49:03]

Dagmar:

It really should be an absolute path

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Dagmar:

@!$!@ s/absolute/relative/;

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juski:

if we move to svg, we better get some shit-hot icon drawing folks on the case

[10:54:18]

DGnome:

Has anyone encountered problems with SAA7146 based DVB-boards and ICH8 family chipsets? I've now got two very similar ICH8 based machines here and both have same symptoms describable as packetloss.

[10:54:26]

juski:

oh wait all those work for real money

[10:54:41]

directhex|work:

DGnome, i've had general issues with saa7146

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directhex|work:

juski, i still view deviantart as an untapped resource

[10:55:17]

juski:

directhex|work: I still view most svg icons I've seen in my life as uber sucky

[10:55:20]

Dagmar:

directhex: Sure, if you're theme is going to be based on gay elf porn and chibi

[10:55:30]

DGnome:

directhex|work: any luck with finding similar problems and even fixes?

[10:56:01]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, gay chibi elf porn is the future of open source!

[10:56:16]

directhex|work:

DGnome, switching to a newer kernel and svn myth helped stop the crash issues

[10:56:39]

Dagmar:

I just *really* with they could flag artwork as _not_ appropriate to be thumbnailed and listed in new submissions

[10:56:50]

Dagmar:

I'm not kidding about the gay elf porn

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DGnome:

directhex|work: no crashes here, just packetloss, 2.6.20.4 kernel atm

[10:57:09]

juski:

it's all about the lesbian elves now

[10:57:22]

Dagmar:

I could handle that category

[10:57:22]

juski:

pointy-eared sex ftw!

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DGnome:

directhex|work: going to try newer kernel

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directhex|work:

juski, world of porncraft?

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Dagmar:

I used to refer to humans in all those RPGs a "blunt-ears"

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, why would i think you were kidding about the gay elf porn? and i thought it was all furries, anyway

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juski:

from the quick look I've just taken maybe the term Emo Art would be better suited

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mIRCat_:

I'm a fan of Elmo Art

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juski:

anyway back to my rant.. http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . s-titles.png for example. could look much better very easily

[11:08:43]

juski:

and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . showings.png

[11:09:12]

juski:

maybe I should just redo em & submit new files :)

[11:10:25]

juuva:

How I should be able to schedule recordings from mythweb? I get them only showing in recording shedules but not in upcoming recordings

[11:14:40]

juski:

that sounds like the scheduler isn't working right

[11:14:55]

juski:

restart the backend with --resched & see if the upcoming list is updated

[11:16:32]

juuva:

If I add manual recording from frontend that goes to upcoming

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juski:

1. click on a listing 2. click on a recording option 3. click on 'update recording settings' 4. done!

[11:20:47]

juski:

check your database isn't corrupted. that could screw things up royally

[11:22:52]

juski:

eew. adobe are doing a media player now? ffs that'll be bad

[11:22:58]

juuva:

didn't work, have to look db

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juski:

gbee: great news! $ly have been denied changing the terms of their DTT licence, so no more paid-tv to come from them on the terrestrial platform :)

[11:25:09]

gbee:

hurray

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directhex|work:

beware asus

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gbee:

it's the only small case/barebones I've managed to find so far that I would even consider using – the others are either extremely ugly, overpriced or lack the right number of PCI slots

[11:29:51]

juski:

lightweight frontend & big fugly noisy nasty backend ftw!

[11:30:04]

gbee:

oh and it comes in Silver, which is important as the TV etc are Silver

[11:30:21]

juski:

doing mythtv in one box is never gonna be easy if you want something close to a STB form factor

[11:31:38]

gbee:

juski: If I really had somewhere to put a big ugly noisy backend, then that's what I'd do – a basement would be ideal, but there really isn't anyway suitable

[11:31:41]

juski:

hey gbee didn't know you were against the relentless (tasteless IMHO) black tide :)

[11:31:43]

directhex|work:

you can do it with an LC11

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directhex|work:

assuming you trust the riser card

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directhex|work:

it's pretty low profile, silver, metalic, and allowd 2 pci slots as well as a plug-in graphics card

[11:33:25]

juski:

wouldn't buy an LC02 again given the choice. oooo no

[11:39:42]

juski:

jees. the lc11 is 460mm deep! that wouldn't fit under my TV!

[11:40:28]

juski:

they've got a cheek charging £120 for a few bits of bent aluminium anyway

[11:40:52]

juski:

you could get a one-off done for half of that

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gbee:

yeah, the LC11 is bigger in all dimensions than the PH1-AH2

[11:48:30]

gbee:

and I don't like the look of it, lacks the style of the Asus imho

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directhex|work:

depends if you like matt plastic, i suppose

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juski:

just paid over 4 quid to send a single a5 sized jiffy bag weighing under 100g special delivery!

[11:57:29]

juski:

and that wasn't the before 9am deal either

[11:57:38]

gbee:

http://www.rueducommerce.fr/info/images/produ . . . C11S-300.jpg

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gbee:

http://nix.ru/autocatalog/barebone/ASUSTeK_Pundit-R.jpg

[11:57:43]

juski:

bucking rip-off fastards

[11:58:27]

gbee:

apart from the brush aluminium in the centre, not sure I'd notice much difference in the finish when I'm sitting 5/6 feet away watching TV

[11:58:41]

juski:

gbee: hate the front USB sockets

[11:58:57]

juski:

side mounted USBs would be best IMHO

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directhex|work:

juski, that's where the firewire & audio ports are

[11:59:22]

juski:

I might just go ahead with my custom case manufacture

[11:59:26]

directhex|work:

anyway, i still think the mac mini looks spot on as a frontend

[11:59:35]

juski:

it does, apart from the lame remote

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gbee:

juski: that's one of the things I don't like about the LC11 styling, at least the Asus hides them away under a panel – so they are still available, but not on permanent display

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directhex|work:

juski, why would i use the bundled remote?

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juski:

directhex|work: it's either that or a bug-ugly USB thing :(

[12:00:11]

directhex|work:

juski, you think?

[12:00:20]

juski:

a bug-ugly USB thing that ends up being 1/2 the size of the frontend! muhahaha

[12:00:37]

directhex|work:

juski, it's got integrated bluetooth

[12:01:17]

juski:

bah to bluetooth. I need ONE remote for everything

[12:02:17]

directhex|work:

i used to use a one-for-all remote with my previous mythbox

[12:03:06]

juski:

anyway a mac mini is overpriced for what effectively is only an SDTV frontend

[12:03:16]

juski:

bear in mind it can't play h.264 HDTV

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directhex|work:

well what can, right now?

[12:04:09]

juski:

if I'm gonna spend that much cash on a new FE I want it to do h.264 HD with aplomb

[12:04:41]

gbee:

hmm, freshly installed mythweb isn't remembering my session

[12:04:46]

juski:

I know – I don't want much :)

[12:05:49]

directhex|work:

the mac mini's certainly of the right class of hardware to do h264 hd – it's a codec question that prevents it right now in myth

[12:09:06]

gbee:

wouldn't spend that amount of money for something which is just a frontend – unless I won the lottery or at least earned 100K a year

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directhex|work:

i'm still pissed at sony

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gbee:

much as I like TV and mythtv, I have to balance it against the greater scheme of things – the difference in price between a seperate BE with Mac Mini FE and something like the cases I'm looking at would buy a lot of beer

[12:11:31]

directhex|work:

the ps3's a shitty value console, but as a console and frontend, it'd be a winner. shame it's only got framebuffer video out

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juski:

ROFLMAO

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juski:

serves you right

[12:13:05]

directhex|work:

you think i bought one?

[12:13:34]

directhex|work:

425 for a games machine inferior to the hundreds-of-pounds-cheaper 360 in almost every way?

[12:13:44]

directhex|work:

if it were a frontend too, that would change matters

[12:13:57]

directhex|work:

as it stands, it's price rape

[12:14:23]

pbulteel:

Co-worker just msged me he could get a 60Gb PS3 for ?353

[12:14:52]

pbulteel:

using some 10% coupons or something

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directhex|work:

still bad value

[12:15:55]

directhex|work:

as a games console, considering the games library, it's not worth buying

[12:16:15]

pbulteel:

... yet ?

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directhex|work:

yet, of course

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directhex|work:

but why buy today, even at a discount (and if you loko around, they're discounted everywhere due to poor sales), rather than waiting for them to be worth buying – around which time there'll be good bundles too

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kslater:

how about as a combo games platform and BluRay disk player?

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juski:

bluray? don't buy into it!

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juski:

HD-DVD – same goes for that shite too

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kslater:

juski – b/c of drm in either one?

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juski:

tell em to shove their restrictive DRM up their respective assholes

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directhex|work:

i'll buy hi-def media when i can slip a disc into my mythbox and just have it play, regardless of restrictions or regions

[12:18:20]

gbee:

hmm, seems the mythweb session problems are seen by others, quite a few Fiesty users complaining of it

[12:18:20]

directhex|work:

much like dvd today

[12:22:19]

juski:

directhex|work: whereas, unlike libdvdcss, there's more at stake if you unleash code to bypass their precious DRM

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directhex|work:

juski, yeah, the 1% of the market with hd playback capabilities will suddenly run around with remote-dvd-cracking machines which cause the very foundations of local retailers to crumble, killing thousands

[12:23:50]

directhex|work:

juski, are you a murderer? are you? :x

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pbulteel:

has anyone been capturing HD using their DVB-T card? And the video work?

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directhex|work:

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directhex|work:

pbulteel, nothing on linux can decode those streams realtime yet IME

[12:25:26]

pbulteel:

cause the capture file I have is... troublesome to play ... :(

[12:25:35]

pbulteel:

hmmm...

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pbulteel:

VLC shows the codec as H264 and A52...

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kslater:

what format is DVB-T layed down in that it can't be played back in linux? or is this another case of some protection?

[12:27:36]

pbulteel:

well this is the stream that was captured as a test on a DVB-T — BBC1HD channel

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directhex|work:

pbulteel, and nothing on linux can do h264 hd streams in realtime. feel free to write a codec to do it

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kslater:

HD / mpeg4 / H.264 encoded, ah

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pbulteel:

when you start to play it... it pauses then continues... then pauses... so I wasn't sure if the video file was ok and my system just couldn't play it

[12:28:28]

pbulteel:

or.. the capture was bad

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pbulteel:

but, I guess the capture is bad...

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** directhex|work wonders if the wall will respond more **

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directhex|work:

i'll try once more

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directhex|work:

YOUR CAPTURE IF FINE. YOUR COMPUTER IS NOT FAST ENOUGH TO PLAY HD H264 STREAMS USING ANY CODECS AVAILABLE IN LINUX.

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kslater:

directhexlwork – I think your caps lock key is on.. :)

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pbulteel:

I'm on a Mac... :)

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pbulteel:

trying to play on a MacBook Pro dual core

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juski:

arghhh some c*** has put IE7 on this box. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

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pbulteel:

Quicktime dies — doesn't even open the file... VLC opens the file and plays a few seconds then stutters and continues, etc

[12:31:19]

pbulteel:

so.. it sucks!

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juski:

weird! somebody just rang my mobile phone & asked for cecil watson

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gbee:

lol

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ectospasm:

that's only strange if you're not cecil watson

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gbee:

he's not ... Cecil lives in the US

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mIRCat_:

that name rings a Bell

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juski:

hmm only thing I can think of is if he had his pass scanned at LW & they had my mobile no.

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juski:

mIRCat_: it would. he's Mr Knoppmyth

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mIRCat_:

THE Mr Knoppmyth? interesting.

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Jell-O-Fishi:

hi mythtv-ers

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gbee:

mIRCat_: not so strange, he was over in London with Juski and I last October

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Jell-O-Fishi:

anybody know if geovision gv-800 or gv-600 is usable ?

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gbee:

so like Juski says, it was probably connected to that in some way

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mIRCat_:

gbee: the who ever is calling for him is a bit behind

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mIRCat_:

the -> then*

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gbee:

don't know who called, but it's just possible that as he wouldn't have had his own phone with him that he gave someone Juski's mobile number so he could be contacted in an emergency whilst at LW

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juski:

still a bit weird since that was last october. who the hell woul dbe that slow in calling somebody back?

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juski:

btw gbee you joined the mobile revolution yet?

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juski:

I hate mine but it's a necessary evil these days

[12:49:57]

gbee:

juski: yeah, actually my little sister bought me one for my birthday :)

[12:50:19]

gbee:

hardly get's used, but I conceeded that they are useful for emergencies etc

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kslater:

just please don't join the mind-numbed robots walking around talking to who knows who all day long.

[12:51:19]

gbee:

certainly a lot cheaper than hospital phones

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juski:

I hate mobiles generally, but really hate them most when kids are playing tinny shitty musak out of them

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** kslater wonders why that suddenly became necessary **

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juski:

kslater: how else could the phone companies become all-encompassing? ;)

[12:53:11]

kslater:

I like the connectivity angle, but you're so restricted in the US by the carriers

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gbee:

juski: did the caller identify themselves? I ask only because a few things like paperwork with your number on etc were amoung things which went missing in the move between the hostel/ambulance/hospital etc – I think my camera was also amoung those items (I don't remember taking it down there, but I haven't seen it since)

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gbee:

Cecil's name was also there, because I'd written your number on the back of an email cc'd to both of us

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juski:

gbee: number witheld

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** gbee shrugs **

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gbee:

doesn't matter, the thought just occured to me as I was thinking about the hospital phones

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juski:

guy sounded foreign.. maybe frenchie

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juski:

I answered. he asked for cecil – I said no I'm not cecil, then he said "ah, cecil watson gave me this number" & hung up

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gbee:

ahh

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gbee:

anyone know what version of myth this would be? : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythplugins/+bug/83884

[13:08:07]

juski:

oh yeah it wasn't ludovic either :)

[13:08:38]

Ryushin:

Well, that's just freaking great. For some reason, shows I know that recorded and the content was there, are gone.

[13:08:39]

gbee:

juski: I assumed you would know if it was ;)

[13:09:16]

Ryushin:

I don't know what to blame it on, JFS, a mixup somehow in one of the myth contrib scrips such as myth-rename, etc.

[13:09:25]

gbee:

Ryushin: autoexpire? Or a filter problem?

[13:09:41]

Ryushin:

Plenty of space left, so that's not it.

[13:10:25]

Ryushin:

I just ran myth.find.orphans and it found records in the database for recordings that were not there. Well, they sure were there a few weeks ago.

[13:11:07]

Ryushin:

JFS was supposed to be stable. I don't know. I want to point a finger somewhere but there are just too many variables.

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fryfrog:

where did you find this "myth.find.orphans?

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juski:

I swear I am going to kill whoever put IE7 on this machine

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juski:

slowly & painfully

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Tronic:

Automatic updates?

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gbee:

juski: IE7 is bad?

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rktboy:

hello all

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Redth:

ya ie sucks

[13:33:19]

rktboy:

I was wondering is nuvexport still being used for exporting recordings or is mytharchive the tool of choice for this?

[13:33:57]

fryfrog:

how is svn -head now-a-days?

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rktboy:

and since these differences are not, and will not, be published we're kinda stuck with a "lets retest everything again"

[13:38:08]

rktboy:

solution, which kinda sucks :)

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fryfrog:

are most people here running their "production" mythtv on svn -fixes (latest stable) or svn trunk/head/

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fryfrog:

? actually :)

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rktboy:

I'm running stable gentoo

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directhex|work:

2:41pm up 6 days 22:08, 2 users, load average: 122.06, 97.53, 79.78

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directhex|work:

fryfrog, i'm running svn for some stability fixes (i was getting several BE crashes a day)

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rktboy:

mine has not crashed though

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rktboy:

0.20.1_p13344

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rktboy:

which I think is the fixes branch though I may be mistaken

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rktboy:

the mythweb version is kinda flaky though, seems the JS is missing from the header.php file

[13:46:41]

rktboy:

I have no problems with breakage, as long as either it is documented, or it is because it has been made to conform to well known standards

[13:46:49]

rktboy:

in this case w3c

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Redth:

yea you still need hacks but most of them don't work anymore

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gbee:

IE6 was definately broken in the standards compliance side of things

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rktboy:

I think that's the way most every web dev does it...

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gbee:

designing for IE then working backwards towards compliance is the wrong way around

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rktboy:

Mozilla follows the standards fairly closely, it does deviate but not much

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cal:

gbee: interested in a smashed hd47800? =)

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rktboy:

and when it does it gets documented

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gbee:

Caliban: heh

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rktboy:

lol

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cal:

gbee: i posted to the list but havent gotten a response.. posted sunday.

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gbee:

cal :(

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planktonboy:

hi all

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cal:

i am begining to think its something with this motherboard/parallel port. so i am going to try getting windows running on it tonight and see if lcdsmartie works. i had lcdsmartie working on the lcd before but it was with a different motherboard. just doing process of elimination i guess.

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rktboy:

so I tried to use nuvexport to transcode one of the recordings

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rktboy:

and choosing the DVD option i ended up with no audio

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rktboy:

is this like a known issue or did I goof something up in setup?

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juski:

I'm tempted to make my site completely non-worky in all flavours of IE

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rktboy:

that's just mean, plus it's like extra effort :)

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juski:

well worth it though

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directhex|work:

i've done it before

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directhex|work:

if in doubt, browser-sniff and send a junk stylesheet to msie

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directhex|work:

one that revelas a big "broken in msie" message

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rktboy:

not to be the wet blanket but msie still has the lion's share of the market

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juski:

so?

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juski:

I couldn't care less if IE users can't access my site

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rktboy:

and if you were to just stick to w3c it pretty much works on all browsers

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juski:

it'll teach em to use a proper browser

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rktboy:

as long as you stay away from css-p

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rktboy:

you obviously do not do business on the web :)

[14:02:19]

rktboy:

but that's ok...

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directhex|work:

rktboy, if the same approach were given to 3d cards as was given to browsers, we'd still be amazed at 32-bit color in 3d mode#

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juski:

more people should do likewise

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juski:

teach MS a lesson

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rktboy:

well...what's the defacto 3d standard?

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juski:

opengl

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rktboy:

OpenGL? DirectX

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rktboy:

MESA?

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directhex|work:

rktboy, "de facto standard" is an oxymoron

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purserj:

directhex|work: it looks like it but it isn't

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purserj:

IE is the unofficial standard because over 90% of people use it

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juski:

fuck that

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directhex|work:

purserj, IE is the unofficial common browser. there's nothing standard about it

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gbee:

less than that according to the last lot of stats I saw

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rktboy:

ok...gasoline engines are the unoficial standard because 85% of the world uses it

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juski:

my site has less than 10% IE usage last time I looked

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opello:

if 'de facto standard' is an oxymoron, then so is 'unofficial standard'

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juski:

so might aswell finish off the last 10% :)

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rktboy:

lol

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purserj:

directhex|work: its a standard, it doesn't need to be ratified by the IEEE or ISOC to be a standard

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opello:

you have to define standard :p

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directhex|work:

purserj, if it's a standard, other people can work together with it. screw fittings are standard. plug sockets are standard. random pieces of commonly used software aren't

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quicksilver:

incidentlly, IE market share is well under 70%

[14:06:43]

quicksilver:

nothing like 90%

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directhex|work:

they're commonly used

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purserj:

quicksilver: depends on who you speak to, what market you target with your site and so on

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quicksilver:

purserj: of course

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juski:

like be nice to never get a windows FE for mythtv

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juski:

sod windows users

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quicksilver:

but IE hasn't been 90% since back in 2002 or so

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quicksilver:

in fact, it looks like IE market share has dropped below 60%

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directhex|work:

depends on your target demographic

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opello:

haven't spiders become the most prevalent UA now? i mean, they must hit more times than users these days

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directhex|work:

opello, the msn spider is a relentless consumer of bandwidth. google has a ligher touch

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** purserj has banned the msn spider, really hurts when you're hosting audio files **

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juski:

yeah I had a report of spiders trying to index my mythtv vids

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rktboy:

according to onestat as of 2005 IE had 85% popularity...

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directhex|work:

2005 is a lifetime away in the interwebs

[14:10:25]

rktboy:

really?

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rktboy:

how many releases has M$ had since then? 1

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juski:

rktboy: yeah. where was youtube & myfluff back in 2005?

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rktboy:

both sites which have different JS and CSS handling for all of the major players...

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directhex|work:

i like educational discount. £360 for a mac mini delivered

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juski:

directhex|work: I aaaaaaaaaaaaate stewwwwwwwdents!

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rktboy:

lol

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directhex|work:

juski, so do i. filthy things

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** TSCHAKWerk watches Rollerball **

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juski:

all they do is get pissed & spread the clap

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directhex|work:

and other general filthy diseases

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TSCHAKWerk:

steel condoms

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TSCHAKWerk:

with rivets

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directhex|work:

not all student filth is sexually transmitted. some is airborne

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TSCHAKWerk:

aka most discussions on the Berkeley campus.

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juski:

some is transmitted via myspaz.com

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planktonboy:

hi juski

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planktonboy:

directhex :)

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TSCHAKWerk:

others, by the comments pane on Youtube.

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-)

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Zider:

or youtube video diaries

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planktonboy:

juski yesterday you said you used Leadtek DVT1000T cards, is that right?

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TSCHAKWerk:

Youtube Poem of I am an Emo Reject

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directhex|work:

tee hee, no discount for education on appletv

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juski:

planktonboy: no I said I use the predecessor to them, the lr6650

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planktonboy:

ah

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planktonboy:

ok

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planktonboy:

just looking athe choices available for the new mythpc

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juski:

they're the same apart from a lack of video inputs – not that you wanna use analogue inputs on a dvb-t tuner – they'd be lamegrabbers!

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planktonboy:

was going to get 2 more Nova-T pci cards, but those dont have mpeg2 encoders on them it seems

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planktonboy:

not sure whether its worth getting those again or going for something a bit more pukka

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planktonboy:

or perhaps the PVR-150

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planktonboy:

that has onboard encoder too

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Merlin83b:

planktonboy: Why would they have mpeg-2 encoders?

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Merlin83b:

The signal they receive is already in mpeg-2, they just dump it out as it is.

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planktonboy:

Merlin83b, oh, I see

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** TSCHAKWerk is still wondering just what it would take to do a component video capture device... **

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planktonboy:

so what is the advantage of getting mpeg encoders then that I read

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Merlin83b:

If you have an analogue signal then you need an encoder.

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planktonboy:

is that only if one is capturing analog then en

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planktonboy:

I see

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planktonboy:

ok mate..thanks for that

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planktonboy:

:)

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planktonboy:

learn something new every day :)

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planktonboy:

never thought about ttttthat

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planktonboy:

hehe

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directhex|work:

how odd, xorg died on me

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fryfrog:

so any neat new features in svn head vs. fixes?

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TSCHAKWerk:

well i rather like mythweb now

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directhex|work:

mythweb's changed a lot

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TSCHAKWerk:

now I can take my TV with me

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TSCHAKWerk:

to work

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TSCHAKWerk:

and um,

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TSCHAKWerk:

multitask :-D

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planktonboy:

yeah I want to update my ubuntu myth packages to svn, but dont want to break my nicely working machine

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TSCHAKWerk:

back up first.

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-)

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planktonboy:

yeah I tried that, but then I wanted to use it too and not enough time

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planktonboy:

:)

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tzanger:

heh

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tzanger:

I just finished building a myth box for my mom

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tzanger:

I'm prerecording a bunch of shows for her

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planktonboy:

tzanger cool

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tzanger:

gotta get X and lirc done yet

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planktonboy:

what a nice son :)

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tzanger:

heh

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planktonboy:

the only thing I am worried about iiis that I know I will have to go over there every week and sort out things when they go wrong

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planktonboy:

will have to include remote connection

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planktonboy:

haha

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tzanger:

yeah

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tzanger:

I'm going ot tell her ot use the remote for watching, but do the scheduling and stuff with mythweb

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tzanger:

it's 10x better

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planktonboy:

yup or better still just set it up to schedule eastenders and coronation street

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tzanger:

haha see that's what I've done... touched by an angel and alfred hitchcock presents

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planktonboy:

oh and inspector morse :))

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planktonboy:

LOL

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** TSCHAKWerk finds it funny that mythtv mixes in the porn movies with the rest of the shows.... "Donnie Darko, Invisible, Ass Worshipping Rim-Jobbers 17, House, 24, Antique Roadshow, Junk in the Trunk 27...." **

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planktonboy:

yes

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directhex|work:

you get Ass Worshipping Rim-Jobbers 17? kickass!

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planktonboy:

might have to filter those out

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planktonboy:

muhaha

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tzanger:

TSCHAKWerk: yep, heh

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TSCHAKWerk:

the Jenna Jamison channel

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planktonboy:

oops

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tzanger:

yeah I left the pr0n channels in for my mom

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tzanger:

don't ask, don't tell.

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planktonboy:

haha

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juski:

fis create -l 0x20000 -s 0x0 -e 0x0 -f 0xa0120000 -n calibration2 ^M

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TSCHAKWerk:

hehe

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juski:

ffs

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tzanger:

hmm, mythbackend --reschedule segfaults (I have another backend running) — is that not the right way to force a reschedule?

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gbee:

when does it segfault? before or during the reschedule, or afterwards? With QT 3.3.8 mythbackend always segfaults as it closes

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tzanger:

ahh okay that's probably all it is doing then

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tzanger:

2007-05–15 10:58:01.450 Using protocol version 31

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tzanger:

2007-05–15 10:58:01.451 Connected to master for reschedule

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tzanger:

then segfault

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directhex|work:

gbee, really? odd. explains why ubuntu reverted to 3.3.7 before releasing

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gbee:

yeah 3.3.8 introduced a bug where it tried to destroy the mysql object even when it didn't exist – it's not really serious as it only occurs as the program is closing down

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tzanger:

yup I'm running 3.3.8

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gbee:

http://www.trolltech.com/developer/task-track . . . mp;id=154194

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Gomez:

Hi all

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Gomez:

my mythbackend starts acting strange. It worked for month

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Gomez:

but now i get this:

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Gomez:

EITScanner: Now looking for EIT data on multiplex of channel 28106

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Gomez:

Segmentation fault

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Gomez:

2 min after i start mythbackend

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** juski orders a selection of DVi-HDMI cables. comes to over 500 quids **

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Gomez:

i already reinstalled the myth

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directhex|work:

juski, eek!

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Gomez:

some1 a idea what i can do?

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juski:

directhex|work: for work. no way I'm buying 5 10metre dvi-hdmi cables & crap

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directhex|work:

juski, i guessed that much

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juski:

even so, I can't imagine what we've spent on this trade show so far

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directhex|work:

this is all just for a trade show? O_o

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juski:

ohyeah

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directhex|work:

gotta spend money to make money!

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juski:

still – less than a set of racing tyres for a F2 car :D

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mIRCat_:

just what a trade show needs.. race cars

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juski:

mIRCat_: our CEO likes to race cars

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mIRCat_:

Just make sure the parking brake is on

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juski:

is that why he never wins? ;)

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directhex|work:

i knew a guy who collected crays

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juski:

reggie & eddie?

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juski:

no wait reggie & ronnie prolly

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** kash here **

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directhex|work:

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=903

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kash is now known as kash|school

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kash|school is now known as kash

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rktboy:

has anyone used monoprice for their cabling needs?

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TSCHAKWerk:

Monster...another name for "Overpriced Cables for Suckers Who Know No Better." :-P

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juski:

'simply ftp the applicatin to the flash drive' okay.. if the fscking thing stays up long enough to complete the transaction, I will! :D

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rktboy:

well monoprice has some really good pricing for the DVI->HDMI Cables

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juski:

don't pay $100 per metre ;)

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rktboy:

I have a 25ftr since the FE is in the basement and quite far away

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rktboy:

it was around 70 us for the whole thing ...

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rktboy:

something like 22awg gp

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juski:

oh FFS. our messed up DHCP server strikes again

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rktboy:

picture quallity is good at 1080i though playback has some artifacts when the scene changes rapidly

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rktboy:

I think that's caused by video card though...

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juski:

rktboy: I think that's more caused by mpeg2

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rktboy:

though I do not see the artifacts locally on my other pc

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directhex|work:

and interlacedness

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rktboy:

ok

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tempuser:

are mythfrontend windows supposed to be resizable?

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gardengnome:

no

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tempuser:

is there any way to make them so?

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juski:

yeah

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juski:

just rewrite mythfrontend

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tempuser:

i've run mythfrontend -w in fluxbox, but there is still no border and alt+rightclicking doesn't work

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directhex|work:

while you're ait it, ditch anything related to theme precaching, make it all dynamic

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tempuser:

for serious?

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rktboy:

even in a progressive video mode...I shouldn't see the artifacts though right?

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juski:

rktboy: mpeg artifacts are everywhere

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quicksilver:

they're like tribbles

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quicksilver:

once you've learn to see them, you'll never enjoy TV again

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rktboy:

lol

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juski:

do some quick maths & discover that for the size of the picture your bitrate – for DVD equiv. quality – should be in excess of 50Mbit/sec

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quicksilver:

get a great big 'unfocussing' screen and put it in front of your too-expensive TV

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quicksilver:

move it around until you get optimum blur

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quicksilver:

and can no long see the artifacts

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juski:

or just wait til you're old enough to get cateracts

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quicksilver:

wearing the wrong presecription glasses can help, too

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quicksilver:

but that can give you headaches

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juski:

initially it can, yes

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rktboy:

so I'm confused...if they are mpeg2 artifacts, then wouldn't they be present in the video regardless of output device?

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rktboy:

the glasses thing works untill you have to drive somehwere afterwards...

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rktboy:

cant see more than 3 meters :)

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juski:

rktboy: some displays show em more readily than others

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directhex|work:

and there's always post-processing

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quicksilver:

some displays effectively 'blur' one frame into the next

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juski:

the bigger the display.. the more obvious they'd be

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quicksilver:

due to response time

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quicksilver:

that helps quite a bit

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kash:

plasma has a delay?

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quicksilver:

CRTs have soft, non-square pixels, and that helps a lot IMO

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juski:

quicksilver: don't forget the decay time too :)

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quicksilver:

juski: ah yes, you're right

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quicksilver:

juski: it's not really due to response time at all

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rktboy:

ok...so what you're saying is that my tivo can mask these artifacts better than my myth box?

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quicksilver:

juski: some displays blur one frame into the next due to various subtle factors :)

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juski:

rktboy: nobody's saying that

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kash:

if you turn on post-processing, it will ot be as bad

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kash:

not*

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Redth:

will xvmc work if it's not actually doing the decoding via hardware?

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rktboy:

well...if I record a show with tivo and myth I get the probs on the myth playback

[15:47:20]

Redth:

i'm trying to figure out if it's setup correctly or not... seems to work

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rktboy:

the specific artifact I'm seeing is that in quick action there seems to be a split of frames on the screen

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juski:

so enable deinterlacing

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tempuser:

is there any way to use the same video device with two player simultaneously?

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tempuser:

players*

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kash:

yes deinterlacing will ix that, rktboy

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rktboy:

ok.

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kash:

fix*

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rktboy:

ah

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rktboy:

ok

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kash:

sorry, VNC is slow over cable :)

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juski:

now you describe the problem adequately, you have a def. answer rktboy

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rktboy:

thanks...

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rktboy:

lol

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kash:

so keyboard delays

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directhex|work:

[16:39] <directhex|work> and interlacedness

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directhex|work:

as per usual, i rule

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rktboy:

even in progressive modes this would happen then...

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directhex|work:

hmmmm @ thunder

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kash:

very nice, directhex|work

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juski:

rktboy: duh yeah

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kash:

too bad no one listens to you XD

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rktboy:

ok

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rktboy:

will try that...

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directhex|work:

rktboy, 1080i is interlaced source material. you could output it on an ipod, it would still look interlaced without post-processing

[15:50:35]

rktboy:

well I have also changed my Xorg mode to 720p to see if there was a diff....

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kash:

i like 720p > 1080i

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rktboy:

not much though slightly better...

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rktboy:

btw I was not ignoring the deinterlacing stmt, just got kinda lost in the disc...

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directhex|work:

garbage in, garbage out

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directhex|work:

interlaced is garbage

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juski:

output in an interlaced mode & bingo!

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juski:

or er.. the same as the source mode and er.. bingo :)

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directhex|work:

deinterlacing is top of my list when dvd ripping

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juski:

actually maybe not cos some flat panels really suck at deinterlacing

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rktboy:

the mpegs produced by the encoding process are interlaced by default? I thought they weren't

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rktboy:

ok

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juski:

rktboy: depends on the source!

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ice9:

has anyone got linuxmce to work ?

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juski:

ice9: only the guy with the boring voice

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directhex|work:

ice9, that's not a mythtv question

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ice9:

its got myth in it thats why I asked

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directhex|work:

it's a plutohome question at worst, or more generally a linuxmce question

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rktboy:

source is a pvr-150

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ice9:

k

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directhex|work:

ice9, it's got binutils in it too

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ice9:

how about pchdtv 5500 does it work in mythtv

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directhex|work:

ice9, does it work in linux?

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ice9:

yea

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directhex|work:

ice9, then you have your answer

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juski:

rktboy: if the source is NTSC, YES it's interlaced!

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rktboy:

ok

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juski:

rktboy: record at 720x480 for best results

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rktboy:

I belive that's what I set it to...

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juski:

480x480 looks like crap compared to 720

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rktboy:

that's an ivtvctl setting right

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juski:

no

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rktboy:

oh?

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juski:

recording profiles

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rktboy:

it'd be nice if there was a cli to do this from :)

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rktboy:

j/k

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rktboy:

yeah so it's set to the default which is 480^2

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rktboy:

at least that's how it looks in mplayer

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juski:

utils / setup > setup > tv settings > recording profiles > badabing

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rktboy:

kinda off topic, which video editor can I use for creating the cutlists? avidemux is hard masked for amd64 gentoo

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rktboy:

juski: thanks

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directhex|work:

then gentoo is broken

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juski:

rktboy: MYTHTV !!!!!

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gardengnome:

directhex|work: tell news

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rktboy:

that's why it's hardmasked :)

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juski:

rktboy: MYTHTV !!!!!

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mudbream:

Hi

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rktboy:

the comm flagging?

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kemik:

insane, got it sort of working!!!

[16:00:36]

juski:

during playback of a recorded show, press E

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rktboy:

ah...

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kemik:

now i need to lvm the system.. somehow :X

[16:01:02]

juski:

E is for 'Edit'... I dunno which fscking genius came up with that one

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rktboy:

wanted to do it from a different machine without having to install myth on it...though that would work...

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directhex|work:

rktboy, avidemux is fine on amd64 on other distros. gentoo must be broken

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directhex|work:

gardengnome, well i know it's implicit. it's nice to have real-world examples though

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rktboy:

I think no one is maintaining the ebuild

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juski:

they're all ubunuts now :P

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directhex|work:

juski, i'd rather have some other gimp go through hell getting software compiled & working

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rktboy:

thanks for the help :)

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rktboy:

exit

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cecil:

juski: that is odd

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cecil:

why/who would call you to speak to me?

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gardengnome:

phone prank++

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gardengnome:

juski would love if people started to blame him for bugs in knoppmyth

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juski:

cecil: no idea. my other thought that was I misheard him – but he def. said cecil watson

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juski:

cecil: the only logical explanation I can come up with is that you got your pass scanned at LW last year & they had my mobile phone no. on file. either way, taking so long to get round to calling you is bad!

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juski:

if the number had come up & could have passed it on – but it was withheld

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gardengnome:

i bet you'd be more excited if the caller was a women

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juski:

strange women callers are even more puzzling

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juski:

there's a woman in Cardiff who keeps calling my phone asking for a taxi

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tzanger:

weird... I'm crawling EIT when idle, and I can see it going, but I am getting no program data

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juski:

cecil: so can you remember how many people you met at LW in October last year where you asked for a phonecall contact? ;)

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tzanger:

hmm eittransporttimeout is in what, minutes or seconds?

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juski:

minutes

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juski:

says as much on the page AFAIK

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tzanger:

danke

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tzanger:

the page?

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juski:

the menu screen

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** TSCHAKWerk watches George Carlin – Life is Worth Losing **

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tzanger:

ah I'm looking at the db directly, x11 over slow dsl is painful

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cecil:

juski: only a few people scanned my badge

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cecil:

I wondering if it was the Worx folks....

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juski:

even so – talk about taking their time to get in touc!

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juski:

I'm gonna head home. cant take any more of this damn software loading stuff

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tzanger:

is htere any way to adjust the --verbose types of a *running* mythbackend?

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tzanger:

ha, so much for eit debugging, both tuners just got picked up for recording. heh

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xris:

heh

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tzanger:

not sure wtf happened... have 1 myth box with 2 tuners, and another with 1, both plugged into the same 3x4 to the dish.. one's pulling in EPG just fine, the other just kind of sat there

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tzanger:

I deleted everything form the eit_cache table on the misbehaving box but then the tuners got picked up, heh

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c4t3l:

howdy all

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c4t3l:

qwik question.

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Redth:

k but real qwik

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c4t3l:

I installed mythtv over a year ago and have had no problems whatsoever

[17:20:20]

c4t3l:

i now want to add onther capture card

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c4t3l:

**another

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c4t3l:

i currently have a hauppauge pvr-250

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c4t3l:

i'm looking at adding a pvr-500 mce

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c4t3l:

i'm operating under the assumption that the ivtv drivers are the same for both cards. is that correct

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fryfrog:

yeah, same drivers

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fryfrog:

later version needed (depending on how old your current ones are)

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c4t3l:

fryfrog i think mythtv is the coolest thing on the planet right now except for girls of course

[17:27:16]

c4t3l:

I haven't ever had the need to fiddle with it

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c4t3l:

its just worked all this time

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a5benwillis:

tzanger: What part of the world are you in?

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fryfrog:

nice, i get to fiddle with it all the time :p

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tzanger:

a5benwillis: NA

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Gomez:

Hi all

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Gomez:

my mythbackend starts acting strange. It worked for month

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Gomez:

but now i get this:

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Gomez:

EITScanner: Now looking for EIT data on multiplex of channel 28106

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Gomez:

Segmentation fault

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Gomez:

2 min after i start mythbackend

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Gomez:

i already reinstalled the myth deb-pak

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Gomez:

some1 a idea what i can do?

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Gomez:

it always crash on the EIT scanner

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tzanger:

is that a valid chanid?

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tzanger:

i.e. idd it pull screwy info when it did the channel scan?

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Gomez:

possible, i redo the channel scan...

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directhex:

Gomez, what hardware?

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directhex:

Gomez, it happens if your eitcache mysql table is buggered, by the way

[18:08:14]

Gomez:

i cleared the eitcache

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Gomez:

Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card

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directhex:

do you have phpmyadmin installed?

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Gomez:

yeah

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gordboy:

my cpu use gradually went to 7% with mythbackend on, doing nothing. what is that about ?

[18:11:24]

directhex:

load it up, look at the mythconverg table

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Gomez:

directhex: yesterday i repaired one table and emptied the eitcache

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juuva:

how can I clear existing eitcache?

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Gomez:

the repaired one was the recordseek

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Gomez:

i have done this in phpmyadmin, emptied

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juuva:

just delete all records from that one table?

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directhex:

Gomez, no tables are showing an "overhead" value, nor not showing anything at all?

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Gomez:

sec, i recheck

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Gomez:

juuva: yes, but not helped me. Dont know if it fucks up all

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juuva:

I believe that table is "connected" to few others also

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juuva:

(lists just id's)

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Gomez:

maybe

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Gomez:

ok, all tables are optimized

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Gomez:

i try to restart

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juuva:

blah.. I'll just drop whole db

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Gomez:

juuva: it is a cache, so it should rebuilded

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Gomez:

but dont know

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Gomez:

what? u droped db?

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Gomez:

still getting segfault :(

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Gomez:

after two minutes

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juuva:

Quite new install, got few things wrong at first time so...

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Gomez:

;(

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directhex:

Gomez, anything specific in your log? any backtrace? any verbosity enabled?

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Gomez:

i start with mythbackend -v important,general

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Gomez:

sec

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gordboy:

as well as 7% system cpu, mythbackend is also using 171MB, even when doing nothing. is this normal ?

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directhex:

that depends on how you're counting memory consumption

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directhex:

which is typically "wrong"

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Gomez:

directhex: verbosity all: http://pastebin.ca/489806

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gordboy:

directhex, i'm going by top, htop & gkrellm. i've got 4GB ram so i'm not that bothered, but the 7% system cpu seems a bit high

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directhex:

Gomez, get a backtrace, file a ticket. though i'd suggest wiping your card data from mythtv-setup and recreating it, just to check. channel 28106 lokos more than a bit weird

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Gomez:

ok

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Gomez:

thx for the help

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tzanger:

is htere any way to adjust the --verbose types of a *running* mythbackend?

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gbee:

tzanger: no, it can only be done on startup

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tzanger:

damn

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tzanger:

ok

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directhex:

gordboy, my machine is showing ~0.0% cpu and 0.6% mem for my backend

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directhex:

no wait, that's the frontend

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directhex:

1.3% ram for the backend

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directhex:

and one entry per thread? how odd

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gbee:

965m 98m 19m S 0.0 9.9 10:17.51 mythbackend

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gbee:

728m 160m 8880 S 1.3 31.8 25:55.04 mythbackend

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gbee:

mythbackend has been known to leak, especially with uPnP devices on the network

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juuva:

I'm having time offset in tv-listings of mythweb, is that adjustable somewhere?

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kemik:

how do i configure mythvideo?

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kemik:

nvm

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gardengnome:

indeed

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juski:

you er.. let somebody yell at you for a while then read some docs?

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kemik:

well, there was "utilities/setup" and then "video manager" "setup" in that menu ...

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juski:

is there?!

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juski:

that's awesome!

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juski:

bah I can't be arsed to do another mockup of the .org

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juski:

it'll only end up being discussed in the thread destined to be the longest ever that never goes anywhere

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** gardengnome offers juski some creativity-improving drugs **

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kemik:

it's ok :)

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gardengnome:

juski: just ask them to get back to topic. it's not like you aren't doing that in here all the time

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juski:

stop talking about lvm already. it bores me more than the linuxmce video

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gordboy:

ok. just what is mythbackend & [kdvb-fe-0] doing while idling, that uses so much cpu ? i don't have any recording going

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kemik:

i just discovered i have no soundcard on the box i've installed myth on :D

[19:16:05]

TSCHAKWerk:

a moment of zen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxTI5wP6Rpc

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gordboy:

ok. i've got tail -f /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log showing EITScanner: Added 1388 EIT Events. i thought that EIT was only active when you were actually tuned in to something. i'll turn the EIT listing override thing off, and see what difference that makes

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kemik:

no files appearing

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kemik:

setup the dir /media/mvid to be owned by user:group = mythtv, pointed mythvideo to the same directory

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kemik:

no files :(

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cetex:

TSCHAKWerk: quite annoying..

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-D

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nero:

if I am using ccache, and I re make/make install mythtv, then re make/make install mythtv-plugins, will ccache re-link to the new library versions?

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nero:

or do I have to make clean; make; make install for the plugins?

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xris:

it should

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xris:

oh, you need to make clean

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xris:

ccache has its own cache

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xris:

it'll cache even if you do a distclean

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nero:

ahhh.. ok..

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nero:

so I still get the speed improvement from ccache (i.e.- I dont have to recompile everything) even after I do a make clean?

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xris:

correct

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xris:

that's the point

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xris:

if you have make-cached files around, I don't think ccache would even get touched, since nothing would be attempted to be compiled

[19:33:12]

gordboy:

ok. turning off the EIT updates worked fine. cpu is back to idling. phew ! would it be possible to have the EIT updates on *only* when actually tuned in ?

[19:40:39]

gbee:

gordboy: no currently, I've got a patch which would allow it, but it's unlikely to be committed

[19:40:45]

gbee:

s/no/not/

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gbee:

patch was written by janneg btw

[19:42:14]

gordboy:

gbee, ok thanks

[19:42:49]

juski:

on a side note, the thread linking to my themes seems to suggest folks are getting peed off with waiting for driver support in Vista for their MCE machines & are venturing out & trying mythtv :)

[19:43:27]

gbee:

juski: before I read that thread, is it going to make my blood pressure rise?

[19:44:04]

juski:

gbee: it gets hijacked by fanboys later on, so avoid it if you hate that

[19:45:26]

juski:

gonna rename my html page. not having folks link directly to it. yes I am _that_ petty

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gbee:

juski: ok, I'm in a mellow mood right now and don't really want to spoil it by reading an innaccurate or flawed account about the strengths or failings of mythtv

[19:49:51]

juski:

gbee: it's pretty glowing apart from the GUI, but they make the point you don't spend much time staring at the interface ;)

[19:51:06]

gbee:

well that's good then ;) I don't mind criticism so long as it's accurate, balanced and written with an understanding that this is _free_ software

[19:51:32]

TSCHAKWerk:

WINDOWS MCE IS TEH SHEEIT! MYTHTV IS FOR POKET PROTEKTOR GEEKZ WITH NO GIRLFRIENDS YOU ALL SUCK!

[19:51:35]

TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

[19:51:37]

gbee:

we all know the GUI needs some work, even with your excellent skins

[19:52:19]

gbee:

btw the skins part was a joke :P

[19:52:44]

juski:

gbee: awww damn I was just loading my gun too

[19:52:46]

juski:

:-P

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juski:

linkees from the xpmediacenter site get to see ".. is not a fscking skin!" whereas regular site users see a regular site with no ranting.

[19:53:50]

gbee:

I can see how some people might think that the themes in mythtv are skins, because the UI isn't all that flexible and because many themes end up being so similar

[19:54:06]

gbee:

juski: lol

[19:54:29]

juski:

gbee: skins for media players I've seen can turn them into something very different, so I don't think that argument washes

[19:54:59]

gardengnome:

juski juski please turn my mythtv into a dishwasher

[19:55:00]

juski:

WMP skins for example.. you can make it unrecognisable, all sorts of weird shapes

[19:55:29]

juski:

gardengnome: just put the dishes inside the case & flood it with soapy water.. ftw!

[19:55:42]

gbee:

juski: in that case I have to admit that I really couldn't tell you the difference between a theme and a skin

[19:55:47]

juski:

make sure to plug it in while holding the metal parts of the case

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juski:

gbee: 'theme' just sounds better. 'skin' sounds like something a myspaz user made for his w1n@mp

[19:56:27]

gbee:

I would have described a skin as something which just changes the surface of the UI – the colours, images, minor positioning

[19:57:02]

gbee:

whereas a theme can involve complete repositioning/omission of elements in addition to the colours/images

[19:57:08]

juski:

desktop themes are all about the look of the desktop am I right.. I think that's where we got the name

[19:57:27]

juski:

gbee: sure we can leave elements out. they can cause pretty segfaults :)

[19:57:41]

gbee:

dunno, theme does sound better than skins

[19:57:57]

juski:

windows vs linux.. !!!

[19:58:29]

gordboy:

juski, i used that house char from the wingdings or webdings font too. my gdm splash – http://customize.org/ggdm/47342

[19:58:39]

quicksilver:

gbee: I associate the word 'skin' with winamp and its cousins

[19:58:41]

TSCHAKWerk:

eh, I didn't see any really scathingh comments

[19:58:42]

gbee:

juski: well that's got more to do with failings in the code, plenty of places check that elements exist in the theme before trying to use them (no segfault) but a few places don't

[19:58:47]

quicksilver:

gbee: and winamp skins can reposition the elements, I think

[19:59:17]

TSCHAKWerk:

at least the MCE users are receptive to MythTV

[19:59:32]

juski:

gbee: mythgallery, when I tried patching that for mepo-wide – that really didn't like missing elements

[19:59:39]

TSCHAKWerk:

which, after wrestling with WinMCE myself, I can understand why they would be.

[19:59:49]

juski:

and it even checks for them

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gbee:

quicksilver: in more recent versions of winamp sure, in the early versions they couldn't – so skins in winamp evolved into what I'd call themes, but kept the original name

[20:00:33]

juski:

I remember chutt saying "so make sure the hell you have all the theme elements" or something along those lines :)

[20:01:14]

TSCHAKWerk:

wibble

[20:01:34]

gbee:

juski: it has the benefit of making sure that theme developers don't miss important elements from their themes, but it can still be handled more gracefully

[20:01:36]

** juski idly dreams of a <animation type="zoomfade" speed="20" exit="explode"> **

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gbee:

there are plenty of theme elements though that could be omitted without any real impact on usability

[20:02:30]

juski:

gbee: we have to make a pact. if we meet macslow at LRL we're gonna kidnap him & make him work on the UI code

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** gbee ponders how he feels about kidnap **

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gbee:

ok – I can live with that ;)

[20:04:01]

nero:

say, for anyone out there running the latest SVN, is your mythweather broken?

[20:04:17]

gbee:

nero: yes, it's broken for everyone

[20:04:20]

nero:

(mine seems to be outputting some of the code which indicates what goes where)

[20:04:24]

nero:

ok, good to know. :)

[20:04:26]

TSCHAKWerk:

juski: good plan.

[20:04:49]

gbee:

source website changed, broke the parsing

[20:04:57]

nero:

ahhhhh...

[20:05:01]

nero:

that makes sense.

[20:05:19]

gbee:

getting a little tired of saying that, if the topic wasn't already so long I'd say it should be added there

[20:05:30]

TSCHAKWerk:

parser the website scraper broke.

[20:05:40]

kemik:

yay! it's working

[20:05:44]

kemik:

this is so cool =D

[20:05:57]

kash:

alreet

[20:05:58]

kemik:

now i gotta configure the remote and install a soundcard

[20:05:58]

TSCHAKWerk:

I remember when I was like that

[20:05:59]

** kash home **

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TSCHAKWerk:

all giddy

[20:06:09]

nero:

well, thanks for saying it once more gbee.. :) Just got svn running on this new box, and wanted to make sure it wasn't me.

[20:06:24]

gbee:

gordboy: before I forget, I like the splash

[20:06:29]

TSCHAKWerk:

then i upgraded to HD and became a misanthrope.

[20:06:39]

gbee:

makes my mythtv bootsplash look even worse

[20:07:02]

juski:

flippin' chuff! http://macslow.thepimp.net/clips/pigment-example-2.ogg

[20:07:19]

juski:

and http://macslow.thepimp.net/clips/pigment-example-3.ogg

[20:07:34]

kash:

i made the wicked awesome-est MythArchive DVD template today

[20:07:39]

kash:

but then it got erased :(

[20:07:56]

kash:

it was James Bond

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gordboy:

gbee, oh thanks. i did it in gimp with verdana & webdings or wingdings or something, with a drop shadow effect on the main logo over the gradient background

[20:08:27]

juski:

eep! http://macslow.thepimp.net/clips/pigment-example.ogg

[20:09:33]

kash:

i swear

[20:09:43]

kash:

if i see John Mayer on channel 101 again, i'm going postal

[20:09:57]

kash:

fucking CDUSA bullshit

[20:11:32]

gbee:

why can't oggs just be audio? these bloody container formats mean I'm never quite sure what I'm actually getting

[20:11:47]

juski:

see I like the idea of the Elisa animations & UI fluidity but their UI just sucks arse

[20:12:13]

gordboy:

gbee, i've used that house char many times :) my grub splash too – http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/2457/clothfb5.png

[20:12:47]

Toast:

does anyone know if the current release is 0.20 or 0.20.1? different places on the wiki say different things.

[20:13:38]

kash:

juski: what is that

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gbee:

Toast: 0.20.1

[20:14:54]

gbee:

Toast: but the source for 0.20.1 hasn't been released in tar'd format yet and hence why there is no real announcement

[20:15:38]

Toast:

thanks. It looks like a major improvement. I'm hoping it will solve some of my back end crashes due to poor reception. there have certinally been bugs set as fixed which seem to address the problem.

[20:15:40]

gbee:

so we're kinda in limbo, 0.20.1 has been tagged but from a public POV we're really still at 0.20

[20:16:03]

gbee:

0.21 is a bigger improvement still :0

[20:16:07]

Toast:

:)

[20:16:27]

Toast:

I'm just waiting for the debian mirror to catch up.

[20:16:40]

kash:

pansy debian-ers :p

[20:16:43]

kash:

compile it yourself

[20:16:53]

Toast:

If I had time, I would

[20:17:04]

kash:

just run it in screen

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kash:

then walk away

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Toast:

I have still to learn IPTables to get my MVP box to connect first.

[20:17:35]

juski:

kash: elisa is fluendo's 'media center' app for linux. eventually they hope it'll be 'teh ultimate' meeja center but for now it's only a pretty lame player with a cludgy UI IMHO

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kash:

haha

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kash:

juski: yeah, looks lame

[20:17:58]

Toast:

1 compile is easy,. Having to compile from then on is the problem. The debian package "just works".

[20:18:13]

kash:

Toast: no...

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kash:

all you do is grab the svn and compile it. one time.

[20:18:21]

Toast:

When I have sorted the rest of the problems in my list, I may try it!

[20:18:32]

kash:

then you update the svn and type 'make' and it will only compile the new parts.

[20:18:39]

kash:

saves time, actually

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Toast:

And what about the dependancies with plugins, etc...

[20:18:58]

kash:

what about them?

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kash:

:p

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Toast:

:)

[20:19:10]

kash:

just use the ones with your distro if you're worried

[20:19:38]

Toast:

There is always a gotya. As I said, when I have got through the rest of my list, I may well compile my own.

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TSCHAKWerk:

okay am off

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TSCHAKWerk:

see you guys at home.

[20:20:08]

TSCHAKWerk:

+++ATH0 )$#@)NO CARRIER

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Toast:

I'm just anoyed that the backend always reports the same address to find the videos, no matter what interface the client connects on.

[20:21:00]

kash:

...

[20:21:05]

kash:

you need to change it

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Toast:

I can see how to chance it from one address to another, but not how to support two.

[20:21:26]

kash:

Toast: in mythtv-setup, it's in general.

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perlmonkey:

evening guys

[20:21:43]

kash:

just redirect via iptables

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kash:

what a whiner

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perlmonkey:

phew

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Toast:

kash: see prevous post about how next on my list is learning iptables

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gbee:

kash: play nice ;)

[20:22:29]

kash:

man iptables

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kash:

LOL PROBLEM SOLVED

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perlmonkey:

is the Hauppage WinTV-PVR-150MCE card ok to use for myth?

[20:23:09]

kash:

yes

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Toast:

I do want to do this properly and make sure I don't open up any security holes. It may be very easy to do, but untill I go through everything, I won't know.

[20:23:12]

perlmonkey:

cool

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perlmonkey:

I bought a PVR150 a while ago but now I need a low profile one as I bought a new SFF box which I'm making into a dedicated backend

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juski:

gbee: www.juski.co.uk/bootspla.png

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perlmonkey:

hi juski

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juski:

perlmonkey: your thing went in the post today

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perlmonkey:

oh cheers :)

[20:25:00]

juski:

fscking sent it special del without asking how much it'd be. oops

[20:25:11]

perlmonkey:

ahh thats well expensive!

[20:25:12]

juski:

don't worry about it

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kash:

lol, what did you mail him

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juski:

kash: an IR signal converter for his cable box

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perlmonkey:

theres some pvr150's on ebay going for £25 each with free delivery

[20:25:42]

kash:

nice.

[20:25:53]

perlmonkey:

no remotes tho or anything tho :-/

[20:26:00]

kash:

prolly MCE version then

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kash:

lol

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perlmonkey:

whats the difference?

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juski:

perlmonkey: you divvn't get a remote or owt with them

[20:26:30]

juski:

you get: 1. the card

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jamesm:

in terms of card priority, is higher or lower more preferable?

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perlmonkey:

oh

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juski:

2. a bag with a windows driver CD inside

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juski:

jamesm: higher means higher

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jamesm:

juski: thanks

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perlmonkey:

so you're expected to install Windows and use the Win MCE bits eh?

[20:28:09]

perlmonkey:

well my new dell box looks the business its smaller than my telewest STB, shame about the LP pci slots tho i should of realised

[20:30:56]

perlmonkey:

whats a good graphics card for myth with tv out?

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juski:

nvidia fx5200 or so

[20:32:09]

juski:

fanless, cool running

[20:32:14]

juski:

good Q. tv output

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juski:

cheap!

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** perlmonkey makes a note **

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kash:

if you want LP, you could get an MX400

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cetex:

i've got a 7300 :)

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cetex:

fanless :D

[20:32:46]

cetex:

totally ok

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cetex:

oh. hm.

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perlmonkey:

i have to have low LP

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cetex:

maybe not tv-out.

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kash:

7300 blows tbh

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cetex:

blows? :o

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perlmonkey:

hehe

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perlmonkey:

is 7300 also nvidia?

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kash:

yes

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kash:

all of the above were nvidia

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xris:

kash: mx4xxx series don't have the nice deinterlacer for tv output

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perlmonkey:

that seems to be the way to go then for graphics eh

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kash:

xris: you don't need deinterlacing for a standard TV

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perlmonkey:

has ATI lost favour?

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kash:

perlmonkey: ATI never had favour in the Linux community

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cetex:

as long as ati wont release serious drivers they're not interesting..

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juski:

they're still chewy. just flavourless

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perlmonkey:

hehe

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cetex:

although, i think it'll get better soon since they were bought by amd..

[20:35:51]

juski:

cetex: no, it won't.

[20:36:06]

juski:

they get 3rd parties to develop the chips for em

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juski:

and those 3rd parties licence their tech under strict terms

[20:36:33]

juski:

(allegedly)

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cetex:

juski:sucky.

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cetex:

:<

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perlmonkey:

bah i need nivida

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perlmonkey:

I think i also need more memory this box only has 384mb

[20:37:56]

kash:

mine has 512

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kash:

and nvidia

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kash:

:p

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cetex:

mine has 2gb. and nvidia. :o

[20:39:22]

cetex:

although, ~1.8gb is used by torrent. :)

[20:39:59]

perlmonkey:

phew

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kash:

i'm looking for a job, currently, so i have to conserve my moneys and can't just buy whatever i want :P

[20:41:30]

kash:

memory is something i want :)

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cetex:

:)

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kemik:

wooho, p450 celly, 256MB ram, could playback a divx :D

[20:45:27]

kash:

YEAH RIGHT.

[20:45:28]

kash:

ROFL

[20:45:30]

kash:

AT WHAT RES

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kash:

er

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kash:

sorry, i didn't see caps were on

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kash:

:(

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kash:

kinda funnier like that though./

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cetex:

would it be hard to run multiple mythfrontends and have them switch automatically?, like one for mythmusic, one for mythvideo and one for browsing/info/weather/photos, so that i could pause a movie, switch to mythmusic and play some music, then switch to album and show some photos while music is playing, and then after a while continue watch my movie where i left of?

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kormoc:

kash, just a note, the enter key is not valid punctuation

[20:47:28]

kash:

cetex: use jump points..

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juski:

that's ma new case badger designed :)

[20:48:19]

cetex:

kash: jump points?

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kash:

cetex: yes, in the setup keys menu

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cetex:

ah, those. one button for music, one for video...

[20:49:10]

cetex:

but when i switch from music it stops playing?

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juski:

I think cetex is after doing stuff concurrently, which you can't currently do

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juski:

cetex: music should have your complete attention devoted to it. if you treat it like wallpaper you don't deserve it :-P

[20:50:09]

cetex:

unless you run multiple mythfrontends

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cetex:

..

[20:50:12]

cetex:

hm

[20:50:20]

cetex:

juski: i like music a lot. :)

[20:50:21]

juski:

this is why mythmusic stops when you go to something else :)

[20:51:14]

xris:

kash: call it re-interlacing, then. either way, it makes interlaced signals look better.

[20:51:18]

cetex:

juski: it's just, i like to be able to watch the wonderfull player when i've paused a movie for a 15min brake (or something)

[20:51:39]

juski:

cetex: movies with breaks in em? eew

[20:51:52]

juski:

kleenex break? :-P

[20:51:58]

cetex:

hah, nah.

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cetex:

girlfriend-pee-break

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cetex:

and for me, chips and coke break.

[20:54:24]

cetex:

is it possible to make menu-options that switch between multiple running frontends? :)

[20:55:29]

juski:

nope

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gbee:

the really tricky part with allowing music to continue after you leave mythmusic is when does it stop? Should it keep playing even when you watch a recording, or restart when you leave recordings? Do you have to go back to mythmusic to stop it, pause it or change tracks?

[20:55:59]

** juski is still reeling.. breaks in movies.. sheesh **

[20:56:56]

gbee:

actually allowing mythmusic to continue isn't too hard, but making it behave in a useful and predicatble fashion is

[20:57:21]

cetex:

make it possible to switch to mythmusic in a simple way, and it would be ok for me.

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kemik:

what's wrong when the displayed area on my TV aint perfectly aligned?

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juski:

kemik: the display area needs to be aligned

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cetex:

:D

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S2:

it should stop when you do something else that outputs audio, and go on when that something else stops using the audio output

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kemik:

juski: well, obviously, but how? =)

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cetex:

S2: wouldnt even need to do that..

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S2:

cetex: i agree, but that would be über cool

[20:58:55]

cetex:

depends.

[20:59:06]

kemik:

well, gnite

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gbee:

I was reading at he weekend what all the different values in the modeline mean and it suggested that you can tweak the centering of the image through the modeline – but whether that really works or not I don't know

[20:59:57]

cetex:

make it possible to turn it on and of (maybe individually depending on what the other output is), and it would be nice..

[21:00:13]

cetex:

otherwise just put it in the hands of the user for the moment..

[21:01:01]

gbee:

S2: yeah but what happens if you've just finished watching a film, it exits and you're suddenly blasted by classic rock at ear splitting volume

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cetex:

:D

[21:01:39]

cetex:

it's better to let the user control it. :)

[21:02:07]

S2:

gbee: that's ok. that means i was listening that song before i started watching the film

[21:02:15]

S2:

no?

[21:02:29]

cetex:

hah

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cetex:

fade in/out

[21:02:35]

cetex:

:)

[21:03:19]

gbee:

S2: yeah, but just because you were in the mood for loud music before the film, doesn't mean you would still be two hours later after watching a tragic, emotional drama ;)

[21:03:51]

cetex:

gbee: make it default to the teletubbies themesong on resume.

[21:04:00]

gbee:

lol

[21:04:07]

S2:

well, usually, after watching a movie, i turn of the speakers and tv and go to bed :)

[21:04:14]

diamon:

I rather like commercial skipping, but when I transcode out the commericals they're simply gone, and I find myself missing the old skip points to traverse the shows quickly. Any way to add 'skip points' in place if the removed commercials automatically? I'm doing them myself manually right now.

[21:04:44]

gbee:

?

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diamon:

Err, 'in place of', not if.

[21:05:14]

S2:

!

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gbee:

you could just jump 'Jump forward/back'?

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cetex:

goodnight. :)

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cetex:

<- off

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gbee:

excuse me, kitten nibbling on my toes

[21:06:09]

diamon:

gbee: The 'jump 5 minutes' or whatever thing? Yeah, but not really the same.

[21:06:26]

diamon:

Heh, kittens... Raising a lolcat? :)

[21:06:56]

gbee:

diamon: then I don't really understand what your asking, you miss it skipping adverts because they are no longer there?!?

[21:07:21]

diamon:

Yep, the skip points and commercials are removed. I wanted the skips to remain. :)

[21:08:40]

gbee:

no, it's not possible – one of my old patches would allow multiple bookmarks for a 'DVD chapter' like experience though

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gbee:

one day I'll finish that and get it comitted, got bogged down in creating a scene selection UI

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gbee:

going to watch TV, just noticed the time

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diamon:

You need to run off to watch TV? That seems wrong somehow, being we're on #mythtv-users...

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S2:

diamon: read the wiki

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S2:

it's called slave, or remote backend

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jarle:

So lets say I want a dish with 4 LNBs and I want 3 tuner cards, what kind of diseq equipment do I need? Would it be possible for all tuners to access channels on the same LNB at the same time?

[21:31:10]

S2:

no

[21:31:27]

S2:

or yes. depends.

[21:31:40]

S2:

if you have an lnb with 4 outputs it would work.

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diamon:

s2: Sorry, AFK a bit there. No, I don't want a slave, the local system has a backend, I'd like (if anything) a second backend maybe.

[21:38:13]

jarle:

S2: Maybe a better option might be just using twin LNBs and settle with only two tuners? or.... which combos are people here using?

[21:39:13]

S2:

diamon: really, search for remote backend in the wiki

[21:39:38]

S2:

jarle: what do you want? why do you want 2 lnbs?

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S2:

jarle: buy one lnb with 4 outputs, and use the outputs you need

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jarle:

S2: oki...

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diamon:

S2: Checking the wiki again... Any suggestion what I'm looking for in general?

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Giuly:

hi, is it possible to remove all recordings at once?

[21:51:13]

kash:

yeah

[21:51:15]

c4t3l:

depending where your recordings are located

[21:51:15]

kash:

edit the DB

[21:51:26]

c4t3l:

or rm -f *

[21:51:30]

c4t3l:

in the dir

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kash:

no

[21:51:36]

c4t3l:

hehe

[21:51:38]

kash:

then it will still be in myth frontend

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kash:

nub

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Giuly:

rm removes the files, but not the db-entrys

[21:52:11]

c4t3l:

if you make a DB query to remove then it is possible

[21:52:17]

Giuly:

which table in the db? recordings?

[21:52:27]

c4t3l:

hold on a sec

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Giuly:

s/recordings/recorded/

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gbee:

Giuly: you can add them all to a playlist and then delete the playlist

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gbee:

it's faster than deleting them individually

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barney_1:

Hi folks, I'm interested in doing some transcoding one of my frontend machines. Unfortnately, I can't get nuvexport to work without mythtranscode. I checked out mythtv from the svn but can't figure out how to compile just mythtranscode. Is there anyone around who might have some advise?

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jvs:

g'nite

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xris:

barney_1: um, install all of mythtv on your frontend box?

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juski:

kemik: you ever seen the appearance setup menu? GUI size & placement :)

[22:04:54]

barney_1:

xris- I would need to install the backend on my frontend box to get mythtranscode that way

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xris:

barney_1: so? it's a few extra megs of hard drive space. no biggie

[22:05:22]

barney_1:

I don't want to backend running in the background

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gbee:

diamon: even though I record everything I watch, I still have to actually watch it at some point or it defeats the point ;)

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xris:

I never said anything about running the backend.

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barney_1:

if I install the backend it will be setup to run automatically right?

[22:06:04]

juski:

barney_1: so do without transcoding on a slave backend

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xris:

barney_1: mythtv doesn't install any auto-start things.

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juski:

sheesh

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xris:

that's up to the distro.

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barney_1:

Ubuntu

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xris:

barney_1: so then disable it after you install.

[22:06:52]

xris:

barney_1: or run it as a slave backend.

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juski:

g'night all

[22:07:21]

fer_:

hello. Can anyone provide a recomendation for a silent 3,5'' IDE HD (>160GB) to use in a media center pc?

[22:07:44]

directhex:

fer_, samsung spinpoint p-series

[22:07:58]

directhex:

fer_, it won't be silent (no hard disk is), but that's the quietest on the market

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TSCHAK:

do those come in 750+ sizes?

[22:08:05]

xris:

fer_: seagate or WD are the general recommendations. most drives these days are pretty quiet.

[22:08:06]

directhex:

that big? feck no

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TSCHAK:

i'm thinking of using barracudas

[22:08:33]

directhex:

you need a seagoat or hitachi for something that big. samsungs are more the low-noise-low-heat option

[22:08:45]

directhex:

barracudas started getting noisy back around the 7200.8 era

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kash:

oh man, i'm all sexy and sweat

[22:09:13]

barney_1:

is there anything about a Slave Backend in the wiki?

[22:09:15]

kash:

sweaty*

[22:09:23]

kash:

barney_1: yes.

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fer_:

I have a seagate 160gb.. it's almost silent.. but I can still hear it whining...

[22:09:44]

fer_:

because the pc has no fans... and is 100% silent...

[22:09:48]

xris:

barney_1: basically it's just another backend that's not the master.

[22:09:51]

kash:

fer_: whining = death

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directhex:

different drives have different ambient noises that are hard to describe

[22:10:19]

fer_:

ok... it makes a low volume "spinning noise"

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xris:

fer_: you'll never get something completely silent. If you want that, put your backend elsewhere and boot your frontend from the network or some sort of solid state device (cf card)

[22:10:30]

directhex:

but you WILL get noise if using a hard disk drive

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diamon:

You can always set accoustic settings for IDE HDDs most times.

[22:10:56]

directhex:

the quietest you'll get is a spinpoint. but it will still be the loudest component in your pc

[22:11:07]

fer_:

I remember I had a 20GB 2,5'' disk that could not be heard spinning... :)

[22:11:36]

fer_:

do you knwo how to change the accousting setting for seagate's?

[22:11:43]

fer_:

(hdparm has no effect)

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xris:

not a clue

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diamon:

fer: Ah. If hdparm doesn't work, I'm not sure. My Maxtors accept it.

[22:12:29]

** Tanthrix is thankful he finds the sound of white noise non-distracting **

[22:12:44]

kash:

oh man, so many people concerned about noise

[22:12:52]

kash:

it's a spinning hard drive ffs, not a jet engine

[22:13:26]

directhex:

kash, white noise is a major annoyance to some. it certainly stops me from sleeping

[22:13:28]

diamon:

kash: Some folks (like myself) don't mind white noise like that, and others can't stand it.

[22:13:32]

fer_:

well... if it distracts you form a quiet movie... then it's no good.. :)

[22:13:47]

kash:

odd.. :p

[22:13:58]

Tanthrix:

To each his/her own. My front end in the living room is a generic PIII box with a random drive, and I have never once had it bother me.

[22:13:59]

kash:

nothing that quiet could distract me

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fer_:

the noise is acute, slightlly metalic...

[22:14:21]

fer_:

maybe a 7200Hz.. :)

[22:14:23]

Tanthrix:

Used to have a 7 drive system in my room, and I am glad I moved that.

[22:14:24]

kash:

if i was using a blender as a frontend, yes, i'd get angry

[22:14:30]

fer_:

beacuse that's te rpm...

[22:14:52]

Tanthrix:

But I always have a fan on at night anyway, so any reasonably quiet system will be drowned out by my fan

[22:14:52]

diamon:

Oh, as a heads-up, CompUSA (and I'm sure others) has a 5.25" mounting bracket for 3.5" drives that has a nice shock-absorber setup in it. I've found it to help quiet many of my 'louder' drives.

[22:15:02]

Tanthrix:

diamon: How much?

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kash:

compusa here is going out of business

[22:15:28]

kash:

so i'd be shocked if i could find one in any of the stores around here.

[22:15:48]

Tanthrix:

I'm grabbing a bunch of regular metal 3.5 -> 5.25 inch brackets via newegg with my next system order for 1.99 a set.

[22:16:19]

Tanthrix:

No shock absorbers, but if I could get some that do have them for not much more I wouldn't mind

[22:16:44]

kash:

haha, get a bunch of foam and jam it in between the rails and the bracket.

[22:17:25]

fer_:

I did that... makes almost no difference..

[22:17:27]

Tanthrix:

I must admit that I do find whining to be a lot more annoying than fans

[22:17:40]

kash:

yeah, to me, fans sound soothing

[22:17:45]

kash:

but whining is annoying.

[22:17:46]

Tanthrix:

The whole obcession with fanless systems completely mystefies me however

[22:17:46]

diamon:

Tanthrix: I show it to be $22 for one of the drive-tray formats of it, but that's not quite the one I meant...

[22:17:48]

kash:

so is running water.

[22:18:21]

Tanthrix:

I can't sleep without my big room fan going – when the power goes out the silence drives me insane!

[22:18:39]

kash:

i've got a fan on my harddrives, back of the case, CPU, GPU, and chipset

[22:18:40]

kash:

:)

[22:19:01]

diamon:

kash: Same here, usually with multiple fans on the case...

[22:19:21]

kash:

i've got a fan on the side panel, too, but that's almost never on the case.

[22:19:25]

Tanthrix:

I've got a bunch of fans on my 7 drives, though after that google study, I'm not so sure they're necessary

[22:19:35]

kash:

google study?

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diamon:

Tanth: I can't find the one I was referring to, but it looked like a normal 5.25-to-3.5 mounting bracket, but the HDD offset portion was rubber.

[22:19:47]

kash:

what kind of study makes hard drives not necessary

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kash:

:o

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** kash just kidding **

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Tanthrix:

They released some drive study a while back and found that heat didn't affect drive reliability

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kash:

lol, why would it

[22:20:27]

kash:

i always said that

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Tanthrix:

Thermal expansion and contraction of the platters, mechanical parts, etc..

[22:21:03]

Tanthrix:

So why do you have a fan on your hard drives then?

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kash:

i don't like them hot

[22:21:41]

kash:

i have hot-swap SATAs and i don't like to burn myself

[22:22:01]

kash:

plus, it was an extra fan so i just plugged it in.

[22:22:10]

Tanthrix:

Burn yourself? If you're drives are getting hot enough to do that, you've got some problems.

[22:22:23]

kash:

they get pretty hot, mainly since they're almost touching

[22:22:29]

kash:

no space for cooling, hence the fan

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diamon:

Tanth: And yet, I find my HDD failure rate goes up 10-fold or more if the drives are allowed to operate over 55c (desktop drives) ongoing. Below 55, I've found far less problems for all classes of HDDs.

[22:23:27]

Tanthrix:

diamon: I'm not quite sure what they study said, but I suspect it was within a certain limit. (IE, over 55c is insanely hot for a drive)

[22:24:17]

Tanthrix:

So if a computer is reasonably ventilated, and you don't have 8 drives touching each other, additional cooling won't make any difference

[22:24:19]

kash:

i've got some maxtors that probably operate over 55c

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Tanthrix:

Still, I'm paranoid, so my fans aren't going anywhere.

[22:25:12]

Tanthrix:

Actually, 55c isn't *that* hot for a drive, now that I think about it.

[22:25:29]

gbee:

Google were the ones who released the study based on their collossal numbers of HDD

[22:25:52]

Tanthrix:

Not sure what mine are at – I've got a cheap IDE controller in my new system, and if I try access SMART data my whole system locks up

[22:26:13]

Tanthrix:

That's $12 of quality engineering for you

[22:26:46]

gbee:

the conclusion was that heat and usage had no real statistical affect on the lifespan of drives – the conclusion seemed to be that some drives were born to fail and would fail no matter what the conditions

[22:26:57]

kash:

rofl. two maxtors i have say SMART failure upon boot, so i just disabled SMART.

[22:26:57]

Tanthrix:

Freaked me out before I figured it out though – I was setting up my new Core 2 Duo system, and whenever I opened the intel monitoring application the whole system would crash

[22:27:55]

Tanthrix:

Thought I had gotten a bad mobo or something until I tracked the problem down. (Which was that the intel app happens to check the SMART data of all drives on the system)

[22:28:07]

fer_:

the studdy also said that overcooled drives failled more...

[22:28:21]

Tanthrix:

fer_: You sure about that? I don't recall that...

[22:28:23]

fer_:

drives that run "slightlly warm" run longer

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fer_:

yep

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Tanthrix:

Interesting.

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gbee:

fer_: it probably did, I can't remember it that well now – just the general theme of their findings

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k31th:

anyone recommend a DVB-T card (im in the UK).

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xris:

k31th: the linuxtv.org wiki has some good comparisons

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k31th:

xris: thanks

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** xris wonders how he should distribute his new computer hardware around for server, desktop and mythbox.... **

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TSCHAK:

xris, put it all in the mythbox, duhhhhhh :-)

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k31th:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hauppauge-WinTV-Nova- . . . s/B0000C7ANH

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k31th:

looks like it might work ok?

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xris:

k31th: what does linuxtv say?

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cal:

can anyone help with my hd44780.. getting garbage on it

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LennonNZ:

cal: does it work outside mythtv with other programs?

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cal:

lennon: i am trying with lcdproc directly and cant get it to work

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cal:

it works with lcdsmartie though!

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LennonNZ:

and this is a mythtv problem?

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cal:

well you find a #lcdproc irc channel and let me know, ok? lol.

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cal:

this is the best channel to ask in.

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cal:

cause a lot of mythtv users have one.

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LennonNZ:

post maybe on their mailing list or alike

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cal:

i posted there, on their mailing list, and on two other forums. trust me the bases are covered =)

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ARfdee:

hi friends

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ARfdee:

i have occasional audio pops on playback

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ARfdee:

what do i do?

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Tanthrix:

ARfdee: Try enabling extra audio buffering on the playback page, and if that doesn't work, enable it on the sound page inside of the General settings where you set your mixer and such

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ARfdee:

it's almost as if it started with recent upgrade of ivtv module

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ARfdee:

but i may be wrong

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ARfdee:

it's not like a delay in audio, it's just a backgroudn pop

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Tanthrix:

Well, if that is the case, you might try playing back a recording with mplayer or xine then to see if the pops are in the recording, and not being introduced by myth

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