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Friday, May 4th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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a5benwillis:

ok

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williammanda:

but mythtv-setup kicks me out after the first two pages

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a5benwillis:

did you set permissions on the mythconverg database?

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williammanda:

nope...don't know how

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a5benwillis:

type this

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a5benwillis:

three lines

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a5benwillis:

sudo mysql

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a5benwillis:

grant all privileges on mythconverg.* TO 'mythtv'@'%' identified by 'mythtv';

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a5benwillis:

exit

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z0d14k:

I just installed MythTV on Kubuntu Feisty (7.04). I want to use it as a frontend/backend/desktop box. I have 3 monitors hooked up. Whenever I run a Myth gui (mythtv-setup mythfrontend, etc)I get a segfault. I can use ssh-forwarding to make it work fine from my laptop though (ie: mythtv-setup and mythfrontend work fine). mythbackend is working fine though.

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a5benwillis:

brb

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kash:

http://interglacial.com/~sburke/pub/sound/Tivo_sounds/

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kash:

:D

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williammanda:

ty a5benwillis

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williammanda:

one more thing.....after I restart mysql....

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williammanda:

says not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables

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williammanda:

do i need to correct that?

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a5benwillis:

hmm

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a5benwillis:

when you run myth-setup it should upgrade the schema, does it?

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a5benwillis:

if not, then you may need to drop the database and reinsert it.

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williammanda:

it booted me before i got there

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a5benwillis:

are you installing from svn or ???

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williammanda:

svn i think...using ubuntu guide

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a5benwillis:

are you using apt-get or "svn -co"

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williammanda:

synaptic

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a5benwillis:

williammanda: give me the link to the guide that youre using please

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a5benwillis:

ah ok

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a5benwillis:

I would just start over then

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williammanda:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feis . . . 73695a3e7938

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a5benwillis:

sudo apt-get remove mythtvxxxxx

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a5benwillis:

erm MYSQL

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kash:

whose voice is it when you run 'mythbackup' :o

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a5benwillis:

dunno, havent ran it yet

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kash:

fuck me freddy

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kash:

mythfrontend is segfaulting

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MrGeoff:

kash, this is a long shot, but have you upgraded the xrandr library recently? That was causing mythtv-setup to segfault for me before it even started up, but only when I ran it from VNC. Which is probably not what you're doing, but whatever.

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kash:

nope

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kash:

i can get into mythfrontend, but when i go to play a video or watch TV it dies

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MrGeoff:

Try running it under strace and when it crashes see if you recognize anything in the strace output.

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kash:

bleh, i hate knoppmyth's repos

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kash:

they suck

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kash:

no gdb or strace

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MrGeoff:

Ah yeah gdb was going to be my next suggestion.

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kash:

well i think i may know the problem..

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kash:

could it be overclocking my CPU>

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kash:

?*

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MrGeoff:

I would think that would cause random crashes not ones at the same time all the time, but I've never OC'd before.

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jhulst:

Anyone have recommendations for a PVR card? I'm looking for something with tv out and onboard mpeg2 decoder

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MrGeoff:

jhulst, do you mean mpeg2 *en*coder?

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MrGeoff:

Decoding is generally done on the CPU or video card.

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jhulst:

MrGeoff: Correct, sorry for the wording

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MrGeoff:

PVR-150 is the one that's generally recommended. The PVR-500 is two 150's in one card, so it's a dual tuner (record two things at once or watch TV while recording).

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MrGeoff:

TV out is also generally handled by the video card not the tuner card, but you might get lucky.

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jhulst:

There is a PVR-150 with tv out, do you know if that one is supported?

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MrGeoff:

kash, I could probably send you an strace binary if you were desperate.

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MrGeoff:

jhulst, I'm not sure about that, but I'd be worried that the TV out on the tuner would just play whatever was on the tuner, not what Myth was playing.

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jhulst:

MrGeoff: Good point, I'm assuming that the 150 has support for OpenGL? I read that the 500 doesn't

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MrGeoff:

I don't know what that would mean, exactly. Do you have a quote?

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kormoc:

jhulst, the 150 and 500 are both input only, they don't do any opengl stuff, as that's a output feature

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kormoc:

jhulst, there is no 150 with tv-out. there is the 350 which has tv out, and that uses mesa opengl (cpu powered)

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kormoc:

so it's slow

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MrGeoff:

Yeah I'd be inclined to agree, even though I don't have a PVR card.

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MrGeoff:

The cheapest nvidia cards have TV outs these days so just pick one of them up. Low profile cards are available if you are trying to build in a small case.

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kormoc:

a pvr 150 + nvidia is cheaper and better supported then a pvr 350

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MrGeoff:

It always threw me how the 150 had a lower model number than 250/350, is there anything to that?

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Anduin:

MrGeoff: No

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Anduin:

The 350 is a waste of money for anyone having something approaching a modern computer.

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MrGeoff:

I was thinking about a 150 because the analog part of my pcHDTV HD-3000 doesn't look that great as it's a frame grabber.

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MrGeoff:

But I was thinking about how I just use antenna anyway and theoretically analog broadcast is getting shut off in a couple of years so I decided to stick it out.

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Anduin:

Over the air will be going away, who actually does that for sdtv

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jhulst:

Do all the PVR-150 versions work basically the same?

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xris:

jhulst: in the sense that they record TV into an mpeg file, yes.

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Tanthrix:

jhulst: They all should have the same hardware, with the exception of some few people who have gotten different ones.

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jhulst:

So mythtv support wise they should all be the same

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xris:

jhulst: as long as the card works in linux, yes

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Tanthrix:

jhulst: Bottom line: Get a PVR-150 and you will be happy. The sky will seem brighter, the air cleaner, and the grass greener.

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jhulst:

Tanthrix: But not if I want HDTV :)

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Tanthrix:

Well, that's a given.

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jhulst:

Is there a recommended HD card?

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Fnc:

plenty

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Fnc:

i use the pvr-150

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Fnc:

and the technisat skystar2

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Fnc:

also have a divco fushion 5

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Fnc:

jhulst: you should get the hdhomerun then let me know how it is

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kormoc:

jhulst, what are you going to use to get HD?

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Fnc:

kormoc: werent you listening.. i just told him the hdhomerun ;P

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kormoc:

Fnc, as in what source

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kormoc:

cable tv?

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Fnc:

i know i was just messin

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jhulst:

Antenna

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kormoc:

hdhomerun, air2pc, things of that nature tend to work well enough

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Fnc:

kormoc: isnt there some super cheap hd ota card that a lot of people have been using.. something like 25–35 used?

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Blonde:

anyone have any ideas?

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Fnc:

i havent gotten mce to work they have like a free hotline you can call.. i would try that

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Blonde:

on skype but no one is logged in

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Fnc:

kormoc: have you tried the hdhomerun?

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Fnc:

... or anyone else for that matter?

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kash:

a5benwillis: titillus

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Fnc:

oh yeah... ive been wondering about the 3rd party plugin section on the deinterlacer section? are there any? where can i find out more info on them?

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a5benwillis:

kash: Huh??!!

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kash:

a5benwillis: yeah.. why

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kash:

which do you recommend?

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kash:

i just changed it to G.A.N.T since you didn't seem too surprised when you thougt it was that one

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kash:

heh

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a5benwillis:

kash: LOL I didnt know what you meant

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a5benwillis:

kash: I would try mythcenter or mythcenter-wide if you have a 16:9 tv

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kash:

nah, it's 4:3

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kash:

what's the difference between titillus and mythcenter?

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kash:

less memory or..?

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hads:

Different themes? :)

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kash:

besides the obvious

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kash:

thank you, cpt. obvious :)

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hads:

:)

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a5benwillis:

anyone know how to stop ubuntu from giving the "new software availible" window at startup?

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hads:

Try #ubuntu

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mikeones:

hello

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goreguts:

a5benwillis, it is in the admin menu in gnome somewhere, disable automatic software updates

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a5benwillis:

k tx

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a5benwillis:

woohoo I finally got my startup scripts working tonight

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goreguts:

nice

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goreguts:

i gotta get mine set up soon

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a5benwillis:

now to play with the remote.. Oh, and figure out if I can Image this box :D

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goreguts:

but i never shut it down anyway

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t0ny-p40:

I just recorded about 5 mins from the news and edited it. Then I walked away and came back and it was gone!

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t0ny-p40:

It was under livtv.

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t0ny-p40:

Any way to get it back?

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t0ny-p40:

I was in it :(

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a5benwillis:

its prolly still there

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t0ny-p40:

I was standing there taking pictures of an airplane and the news caught me :)

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Anduin:

Your live TV threshold is too small?

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a5benwillis:

it didnt expire that fast

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a5benwillis:

unless you changed the livetv setting

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a5benwillis:

try changing the filter

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t0ny-p40:

The two other shows from last night ever still there and they were longer

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Anduin:

t0ny-p40: Live TV?

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t0ny-p40:

Nope

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t0ny-p40:

Yes

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t0ny-p40:

I was going to change it over to default then I walked out of the room and came back and it was gone :(

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t0ny-p40:

It was not recording anything so I dont know why it would expire.

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t0ny-p40:

Unless it does it with short ones.

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t0ny-p40:

it was about a min and a half.

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Anduin:

Tiny live TV recordings expire very fast by default.

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GreyFoxx:

LiveTV will expire almost immediately if shorter than 2 minutes

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t0ny-p40:

GreyFoxx, can that be changed?

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GreyFoxx:

Nope

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t0ny-p40:

I have to watch the news repeats for an hour now :(

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GreyFoxx:

At least I don't believe it's optional

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t0ny-p40:

Well crap

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Tanthrix:

If anyone is interested in differnet kinds of deinterlacing techniquies that mplayer (and consequently other apps) can do, this is a pretty nice graphical comparison:

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Tanthrix:

http://guru.multimedia.cx/deinterlacing-filters/

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a5benwillis:

anyone know how to get python ez_setup.py to work on Ubuntu?

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t0ny-p40:

/me is sad now

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** t0ny-p40 is sad now* **

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Fnc:

Tanthrix: i was asking eariler.. theres a place in the deinterlacer section for 3rd party apps/plugins, are there any of those?

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Tanthrix:

No idea.

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a5benwillis:

Ok, anyone use HellaHella???

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a5benwillis:

trying to get it installed on my myth box :)

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FunkyELF:

i keep getting "could not connect to the master backend server. Is it running?"

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tank-man:

is it running?

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a5benwillis:

try sudo ps -S

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a5benwillis:

look to see if its running

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FunkyELF:

yeah, it is running....

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a5benwillis:

do you have it running on 127.0.0.1

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FunkyELF:

I set everything to 127.0.0.1

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FunkyELF:

hrmmm...hold on

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FunkyELF:

when I run mythtv-setup it says "MythTV has detected that the backend is running"....yet when I run mythfrontend, it says it can't connect to the backend

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t0ny-p40:

Yay I'm on the news again!

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t0ny-p40:

Weeeee! :)

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FunkyELF:

any ideas guys?

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FunkyELF:

I see there are two places to set the IP in mythtv-setup and one place to set it in mythfrontend

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t0ny-p40:

ping 127.0.0.1 works right?

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FunkyELF:

64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.022 ms

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Anduin:

FunkyELF: You are using the actual IP everywhere right? This is all on the same machine? (yes the last is a bad question, but shows, well the sort of people that do ask sometimes)

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t0ny-p40:

FunkyELF, are you running a firewall?

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FunkyELF:

I'm trying to run it all on one machine right now

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FunkyELF:

I am not running a firewall

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Anduin:

FunkyELF: It would be reading that from the DB, or using the default

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FunkyELF:

yeah....that must be where the difference is coming from. when i have it set wrong it can't connect to the DB and uses the defaults

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Anduin:

Well the DB should be connected to based on mysql.txt

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t0ny-p40:

mother!!!! This time I have it recorded but it is glitchy.

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t0ny-p40:

Why does myth tv do this?

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t0ny-p40:

I have a 2ghz system with 512mb of ram

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FunkyELF:

2007-05–03 22:45:54.307 Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)

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FunkyELF:

2007-05–03 22:45:54.308 Connection timed out.

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FunkyELF:

You probably should modify the Master Server settings in the setup program and set the proper IP address.

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FunkyELF:

right now everything is set to 127.0.0.1

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FunkyELF:

I ran mythbackend as a user in a terminal so I can look at the output

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FunkyELF:

I haven't gotten any output so far from trying to run the frontend

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Anduin:

FunkyELF: What happens when you telnet there?

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FunkyELF:

Anduin, I don't think I have telnet installed

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Anduin:

The telnet client... you probably do

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FunkyELF:

but ssh 127.0.0.1 works fine

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FunkyELF:

I don't have a telnet client

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FunkyELF:

bash: telnet: command not found

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Anduin:

FunkyELF: run the backend -v all (or most), that should enable some network debugging, same with the frontend

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FunkyELF:

I don't think it is a database thing because I get this from the frontend..... 2007-05–03 22:32:41.719 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 127.0.0.1

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FunkyELF:

hrm....so when I run it with the -v all option I dont' get can't connect to backend anymore

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FunkyELF:

I get different errors about all cards being in use

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FunkyELF:

so I didn't set up the inputs correctly.....

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FunkyELF:

what is the external channel change command for a hauppauge card?

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Anduin:

FunkyELF: depends

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FunkyELF:

PVR-500

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FunkyELF:

I have ivtv-tune

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FunkyELF:

but I don't know how to change one of the tuners vs. the other

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Anduin:

FunkyELF: one where you are getting video, if it is directly from cable, don't use one

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Anduin:

on

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FunkyELF:

or what they use for the argument....is it $1 or what?

[02:56:22]

FunkyELF:

don't set that field?

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HaSH:

hello all can someone help me out with this error?

[02:56:25]

HaSH:

http://pastebin.ulteo.us/1304

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Anduin:

FunkyELF: correct, myth can do the same thing ivtv-tune can

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FunkyELF:

okay....wasn't sure if I needed to put "ivtv-tune -c $1" or something

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FunkyELF:

like I said....it didn't even tell me what to put as the argument

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Anduin:

FunkyELF: The default is correct, unless you actually need an external tuner

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FunkyELF:

okay....looks like I got it working

[02:59:20]

FunkyELF:

now I just need to tell MythTV that my screen is 16:10 and that I want it to de-interlace

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Anduin:

HaSH: So, why isn't your recorder card working?

[03:00:46]

HaSH:

like i can watch tv by using mplayer

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Anduin:

HaSH: one of the x50 cards?

[03:01:12]

HaSH:

no pvr-150

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Anduin:

yeah, x can be 1, you have configured your card with the wrong card type.

[03:02:16]

Anduin:

(You want hardware mpeg2)

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HaSH:

hmm

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FunkyELF:

Hrm, I see an "Aspect Override" option....it has 4/3 and 16/9 which is great for TV's....but my monitor is 16/10

[03:03:14]

HaSH:

im a little confused what do i need to do?

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kormoc:

HaSH, in mythtv-setup, where you define the tuner cards, there's a type box, that needs to be set to hardware mpeg card

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Anduin:

HaSH: rerun mythtv-setup, reconfigure your card

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HaSH:

hmm ok let me try

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HaSH:

ones ec

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HaSH:

ok i reset it ...im gonna try to use the frontend....somtimes i have to ctrl alt backspace....brb

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FunkyELF:

any gentoo users here?

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kormoc:

sure are

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HaSH:

hmm ok diff error. its saying mythtv cant be used becasue it already using all the channels.

[03:09:49]

HaSH:

but i dont have anything set to record.

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Anduin:

HaSH: paste the log somewhere

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HaSH:

the backend log?

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Anduin:

That would be the most useful one

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t0ny-p40:

cool youtube seems to support nurplevideo

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HaSH:

http://pastebin.ulteo.us/1305

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t0ny-p40:

wtf the sound is way off

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t0ny-p40:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7-RJ4tkWDE

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kormoc:

welcome to the world of nub

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kormoc:

*nuv

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Anduin:

HaSH: configure your inputs to have a channel source

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HaSH:

hm i thought i did.. i made an account at that site.

[03:14:54]

HaSH:

ill go redo it though

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HaSH:

brb

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kormoc:

t0ny-p40, you're a old dude

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Anduin:

HaSH: you need to plug that account info in to mythtv-setup and myhtfilldatabase, etc (a number of things that are found in any good install guide)

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t0ny-p40:

i'm 20

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t0ny-p40:

you see me when the plane first enters

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kash:

in mythweb, did thumb_url() go away?

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HaSH:

hmm ok i now get picture. but i only have 13 stations. i had it scan and still only have 13 channels. i also ran mythfill... afterwards

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HaSH:

it would show the name of the channel..but there would be all static

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Anduin:

HaSH: If you are using datadirect, channel scanning is silly

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HaSH:

Anduin, hehe sorry..this is my 1st time using a tv card or myth tv

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HaSH:

still learning

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Anduin:

HaSH: use mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates

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HaSH:

ok i just reset it to use the datadirect. and did mythfilldatabase before i looked back in here...should i run that after this finishes?

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Anduin:

HaSH: You should do it if it doesn't give you ever channel you've subscribed to (with the DD name/callsign)

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HaSH:

ok it just finished. let me try

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HaSH:

brb

[03:31:22]

kash:

http://www.flw4.com/streamtv/selectstream

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kash:

haha

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HaSH:

yea it doesnt go above 13...only static

[03:34:04]

kash:

antenna or cable?

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HaSH:

cable

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Anduin:

frequency table?

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HaSH:

comcast

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kash:

what's your frequency table set to?

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HaSH:

um not sure what frequency table

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kash:

sounds like it's set to antenna :)

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HaSH:

let me check one sec

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HaSH:

i think default

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kash:

or another country's even

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HaSH:

yea was default. i changed to us-cable

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Anduin:

HaSH: default just uses the global setting (in General)

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HaSH:

W00t

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HaSH:

that fixed it

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HaSH:

:-)

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Anduin:

It is always something easy.

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HaSH:

thanks sooooooo much guys

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HaSH:

yea this was my 1st time.....i walked in totaly blind ....

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xris:

mmm.. chocolate flavored beer. :)

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ectospasm:

xris: some kind of chocolate stout?

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xris:

Young's

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hads:

Been staring at the computer too long, that looked like chocolate stdout

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ectospasm:

heheh

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xris:

heh

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Tanthrix:

Anyone know how I can output to the screen the memory address of a class in C++?

[05:33:54]

Tronic:

Classes don't have addresses, objects do.

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Tanthrix:

Er, that's what I meant.

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ectospasm:

can't you just use the addressof operator and a call to printf?

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Tronic:

And you can display the address of a pointer by std::cout << p

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ectospasm:

or that too

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Tronic:

ectospasm: printf is something that one shouldn't use in C++.

[05:34:44]

ectospasm:

right

[05:34:50]

ectospasm:

I didn't see the ++ there

[05:35:12]

ectospasm:

but class should have tipped me off (-:

[05:35:15]

ectospasm:

I'm going to bed now

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Tanthrix:

Hrm.

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Tronic:

Tanthrix: class Foo { public: char c; double f; }; int main() { Foo a, b; std::cout << &a << ", " << &b << std::endl; }

[05:36:39]

Tronic:

& is the address-of operator.

[05:37:18]

Tronic:

Foo is a class, a and b are objects (of type Foo).

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Tanthrix:

That's just what I needed, thanks.

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Tanthrix:

I'm working on a very simple program for an intro CS class that involves a queue class object inside of a stack, and for some reason I'm having problems with the queue's deconstructor, so I'm segfaulting.

[05:44:55]

Tanthrix:

I've got a little function that traverses the stack outputting one array from each node, and also one array from each node of the queue inside of it (To make sure everything is being read in properly for this simple db program)

[05:46:03]

Tanthrix:

And it works, displays everything correctly. But when the deconstructore for the stack runs, the deconstructor for the queue seems to be a different queue or something

[05:46:31]

Tanthrix:

So it segfaults, of course

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Tanthrix:

Probably something simple and stupid I'm doing wrong

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LennonNZ:

Can you get a computer Video card with HDMI out?

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Tanthrix:

LennonNZ: Any video card with DVI can use a DVI>HDMI convertor, though I think some of the very new-ish cards do have actual HDMI ports.

[05:51:01]

Tanthrix:

(HDMI is DVI video with audio)

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LennonNZ:

. but I want the encryption as well. which DVI -> HDMI won't do

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Cardoe:

LennonNZ: DVI ports can do HDCP

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LennonNZ:

Cardoe: you sure?

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Tanthrix:

LennonNZ: Yes, DVI can do HDCP. But why would you want your computer to have HDCP anyway?

[05:53:29]

LennonNZ:

tantrix: so I can play with it

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Cardoe:

Tanthrix: HD-DVD or Blu-Ray playback without needing a crack...

[05:53:45]

Cardoe:

but since that won't happen in Linux anyway.. it's moot

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Tanthrix:

LennonNZ: HDCP is a reciever issue, not a transmitter issue. Any TV that has HDCP will take any non-HDCP input without problems. The real issue is a TV that does NOT have HDCP, and a dvd player or something that does. Then you get no signal, or a downgraded signal, or whatever

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LennonNZ:

Tantrix: ok

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LennonNZ:

just trying to work out what the best video card for Mythtv is

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Tanthrix:

LennonNZ: Were you concerned that it would not work with your TV, or were you concerned that you could not play bluray / hd-dvd via linux?

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LennonNZ:

tantrix: there is no player for BR/HDDVD on linux

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LennonNZ:

apart from decrypting it 1st

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Tanthrix:

That answers my question then.

[05:57:01]

Tanthrix:

(I know that is the case, just wanting to clear things up for you if you didn't realize that)

[05:57:17]

Tanthrix:

So, with regards to a video card, any new geforce will do. Even the cheap ones.

[05:57:40]

Tanthrix:

And you'll get no benefit of using an expensive one over a cheaper model.

[05:57:53]

Tanthrix:

(Unless you plan on doing 3D stuff in linux...ha!)

[05:58:19]

LennonNZ:

there are some really good opengl/3d stuff under linux :-)

[05:58:32]

Tronic:

There are very good 3D games for Linux.

[05:58:41]

Tanthrix:

Hehe, I know. Just nothing that would require the latest and greatest graphics card.

[05:58:48]

Tronic:

Not to mention Beryl, which does have use for your huge video RAM.

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LennonNZ:

tantrix: true

[05:59:01]

LennonNZ:

but after 15 mins of Beryl.. you get sick of it

[05:59:04]

Tronic:

(while it *really* kicks the Aero's ass)

[05:59:17]

Tronic:

I have been using Beryl for several months on all my computers.

[05:59:30]

Tronic:

Not with default settings of course.

[05:59:37]

Tronic:

(because they suck)

[06:00:30]

Tronic:

I am able to work more effectively with Beryl's window management than with Gnome's and Xfce4's, which I used before.

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Tanthrix:

I don't suppose anyone wants to help me debug my program...;)

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linagee:

is something wrong with my mythtv or with the tv networks?

[06:15:33]

linagee:

nothing has been recorded in like a week...

[06:16:15]

linagee:

are we in some sort of re-run hell season?

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linagee:

oh! hah. my zap2it ran out (again)

[06:17:43]

linagee:

i would glady pay them a $1 to stop expiring like that. it really sucks.

[06:17:59]

Tanthrix:

E-mail them and tell them.

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linagee:

ack. now i will be wondering what shows i missed

[06:22:50]

Tanthrix:

t0ny-p40: Yes.

[06:22:51]

t0ny-p40:

or a 500?

[06:23:00]

t0ny-p40:

I meant a 500

[06:23:10]

Tanthrix:

no.

[06:23:15]

t0ny-p40:

I cant decide what to buy.

[06:44:58]

t0ny-p40:

Ha I'm on the news again!!!!

[06:45:23]

Tanthrix:

t0ny-p40: A random, small shot of you walking in the distance does not count.

[06:45:35]

t0ny-p40:

I was standing on the back of the tug.

[06:45:43]

t0ny-p40:

Then walking around randomly with my camera! :)

[06:45:48]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[06:46:00]

t0ny-p40:

This time on fox :P

[06:46:09]

t0ny-p40:

Their camera guy sucked.

[06:46:19]

t0ny-p40:

The video is way to dark

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juski:

morning

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t0ny-p40:

why do all the cheap online stores turn out shady?

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juski:

lol

[06:59:16]

juski:

because good morals cost money these days? ;)

[07:01:13]

t0ny-p40:

Is it worth the risk to get two 150s for $95?

[07:01:55]

juski:

probably

[07:02:15]

juski:

definitely, at current GBP to USD rates!

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t0ny-p40:

my software base card sucks

[07:04:26]

t0ny-p40:

Keeps crashing my system.

[07:06:51]

t0ny-p40:

If I use a credit card and they screw me I could do a charge back right>?

[07:10:22]

juski:

certainly the case in the UK

[07:22:16]

t0ny-p40:

I love mythtv :)

[07:22:37]

juski:

yeah it's not bad!

[07:23:05]

t0ny-p40:

I remeber recording stuff off the news with tivo and not being able to do anything with it because of drm.

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t0ny-p40:

juski, why does youtube do this with nurple videos? http://youtube.com/watch?v=G7-RJ4tkWDE

[07:25:38]

juski:

there are a couple of things wrong with that question

[07:26:01]

juski:

1. uploading copyrighted content to youtube, recorded from mythtv is morally wrong

[07:26:12]

juski:

2. it's nupplevideo, not nurplevideo

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t0ny-p40:

juski, I'm in it. Plus I dont think the news station would care.

[07:27:07]

juski:

riiight

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t0ny-p40:

Well, I know people that know their people :P

[07:27:30]

juski:

wanna go to court & test that theory? ;)

[07:27:37]

t0ny-p40:

Sure :P

[07:27:47]

t0ny-p40:

At most they would ask me to remove it.

[07:28:24]

juski:

anyway, didn't even know youtube could deal with .nuv files. amazed it works at all let alone jerkily

[07:29:48]

t0ny-p40:

I think they use mplayer and ffmpeg.

[07:29:57]

juski:

I'd say that to successfully use any .nuv file from mythtv in another application, it'd be best to convert it to a more acceptable (e.g. mpeg) format

[07:30:09]

t0ny-p40:

Bah that takes work :P

[07:30:23]

juski:

if you're only doing one clip where's the harm?

[07:30:32]

juski:

yeah

[07:30:39]

t0ny-p40:

cool

[07:31:10]

t0ny-p40:

I dont know why I care the only time I share anything I record is when its from the Warhawk

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Tanthrix:

juski? Morally wrong? You've got a pretty messed up world view...

[07:31:45]

t0ny-p40:

I might get to fly in a p-40 or a t-28 this week end :)

[07:32:02]

juski:

Tanthrix: If I made a living out of making artistic content I wouldn't want people sharing it left, right & centre

[07:32:29]

t0ny-p40:

juski, they are only going to show that clip a few times.

[07:32:40]

t0ny-p40:

So they are done profiting from it.

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Tanthrix:

There is a *huge* difference between a 15 second clip that falls under fair use and the mass distribution of high quality, full length copies of something.

[07:33:10]

juski:

yeah yeah, whatever

[07:33:22]

t0ny-p40:

What is this fair use you speak of?

[07:33:51]

t0ny-p40:

Our copyright laws are so screwed up.

[07:33:59]

Tanthrix:

Heh, indeed.

[07:34:03]

juski:

no they're not

[07:34:33]

juski:

jesus. just realised I walked into yet another off topic debate on copyright shite

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** Tanthrix runs off because this gets more stupid than it already has **

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t0ny-p40:

juski, are you in the us?

[07:34:49]

Tanthrix:

before*

[07:35:17]

juski:

no I'm not in the US

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t0ny-p40:

Tanthrix, it is going to get more stupid I almost know what I'm talking about.

[07:35:23]

t0ny-p40:

Just almost.,

[07:35:42]

t0ny-p40:

I should go to bed before I look even more stupid.

[07:36:13]

t0ny-p40:

Night all

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Tanthrix:

t0ny-p40: I wasn't directing that towards you, but at juski's bizarro-world views on what copyright laws should entail

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juski:

anyway, it's a bad example. people will see you taking clips from mythtv & uploading them. NOT good for mythtv

[07:36:35]

Tanthrix:

t0ny-p40: But I'm glad you got your 8 seconds of fame ;)

[07:36:56]

Tanthrix:

Later, all.

[07:37:01]

t0ny-p40:

more like 2 seconds

[07:37:07]

t0ny-p40:

Maybe more.

[07:37:12]

t0ny-p40:

hehe

[07:37:36]

t0ny-p40:

juski, the only people that know I used mythtv to record that are in here.

[07:37:59]

t0ny-p40:

Any ways good night.

[07:40:05]

frink_:

hey folks

[07:40:27]

** frink_ got bored with shite s-video quality on hi 150 quid ADA Telly yesterday **

[07:40:52]

frink_:

my wife sent me out to buy maternity pads, cotton wool balls and a top'n'tail bowl and I cam back with a 32" LCD

[07:41:03]

juski:

lol

[07:41:24]

juski:

reminds me of a 'Fast Show' character

[07:41:31]

frink_:

heh which one?

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** frink_ is on morning baby duty for the next month **

[07:42:22]

juski:

the one whose wife sends him out for stuff & he comes home with utterly different stuff. she asks if he got what she asked him to buy & he says "even better than that...."

[07:42:31]

frink_:

heh

[07:42:43]

frink_:

yeah thats almost me ;-)

[07:43:46]

juski:

we got a 32" LCD at work the other day. god it was _cheap_

[07:44:06]

frink_:

yeah they are amazing now..

[07:44:09]

juski:

I'd take your shitty asda telly over this one anyday

[07:44:26]

frink_:

i got mine from pc world because I happen to know a guy there who is able to, errm, massage the prices a little ;-)

[07:44:44]

juski:

only way worth buying gear from there, fer sure

[07:44:59]

juski:

so now you'll be looking for a decent modeline then...

[07:46:43]

frink_:

yeah I was trying a few last night. They all broke.

[07:47:21]

frink_:

1024x768 looks fine but.. fine aint good

[07:49:24]

juski:

1024x768 doesn't sound like a wide aspect res to me

[07:49:45]

Sid`:

non-square pixels

[07:50:17]

hugolp:

non-square pixels?

[07:50:21]

hugolp:

your joking

[07:50:30]

Sid`:

nope

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gardengnome:

morning

[07:51:01]

juski:

hmm. I'd definitely go for a panel with a wide aspect res I think

[07:51:03]

hugolp:

hi gardengnome

[07:51:05]

gardengnome:

juski: how's the smoking? ;)

[07:51:13]

juski:

gardengnome: fuck off! ;)

[07:51:28]

juski:

not bad, considering :)

[07:51:42]

juski:

I don't want to kill anybody today

[07:51:44]

gardengnome:

heh

[07:51:51]

juski:

and my mouse is still in one piece

[07:51:57]

gardengnome:

BTW, i think it's spelled "nuppelvideo". smartass ;)

[07:52:10]

juski:

nipplevideo ftw!

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hugolp:

yesterday we were talking about the wintv-nova-t-500 and that the 6.20 kernel makes it ops. So I want to upgrade my kernel. Does anybody know wich version solves the problem?

[07:55:02]

juski:

the problem isn't solved yet AFAIK

[07:55:26]

frink_:

juski: Hmm, I thought "latest" kernels fixed it ?

[07:55:58]

hugolp:

whats the problem related to?

[07:56:18]

juski:

usb disconnects IIRC

[07:56:44]

hugolp:

ok

[07:57:24]

juski:

oh ffs. inkscape isn't saving embedded bitmaps in the svg file :(

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** raceme is still searching support about Freebox plugin... **

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raceme:

"RTSPData:Failed to setup: video MP2T : SETUP: cannot handle response: RTSP/1.0 455 Method Not Valid In This State"

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gardengnome:

hugolp: if it's just the linuxtv drivers, get new ones at www.linuxtv.org

[08:17:19]

gardengnome:

i've got to go, good luck

[08:18:23]

hugolp:

gardengnome: got them from there

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hugolp:

but I though there was a problem with the usb (that pci card uses usb)

[08:19:18]

hugolp:

I really dont know if the problems of myth back end crashing is my shitty reception or that bug

[08:20:18]

frink_:

hugolp: My backend crashes like yours. I duno if it is the USB bug or this EIT thingy

[08:20:43]

frink_:

Are you using mythdora or summit hugolp ?

[08:21:27]

hugolp:

mythtdora?

[08:21:35]

juski:

oh noes! virgin media are gonna limit broadband downloads to 3GB/day !! :(((( teh evils!

[08:22:08]

hugolp:

frink_: if you are asking me for my system I am using Ubuntu and the mythtv from the Ubuntu repositories

[08:22:59]

hugolp:

frink_: I got the drivers for the card from a Ubuntu french forum, because they were suposed to be a newer and faster version

[08:25:28]

mIRCat:

juski: 3GB files or a speed cap?

[08:25:34]

juski:

mIRCat: both

[08:25:47]

mIRCat:

Those fools!

[08:25:50]

juski:

I'm not worrying about it. I think it's reasonable

[08:26:15]

juski:

I mean the people who are really complaining – I wonder how many HDDs they fill a week

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Rupert-Giles:

3gb a day that sucks

[08:29:42]

hads:

Sucks maybe, but 10GB/month is common here.

[08:29:42]

frink_:

3GB a day!

[08:29:58]

frink_:

Whats the point in all this fast connectivity with these silly low download caps?

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doc__:

hi there

[08:33:50]

juski:

wah! let me downloady copyrighty materialy for freebies! wah!

[08:33:56]

juski:

it's hilarious

[08:35:08]

juski:

frink_: I think the point is, they're also a TV provider & would rather people pay to watch shows than let them be downloaded ;)

[08:35:52]

juski:

I watched 'life on mars' last night thru their 'on demand' service, for free. quite impressive with the latest EPG software on their box

[08:37:13]

hads:

I quite like Life on Mars.

[08:40:39]

frink_:

juski: Good point :)

[08:40:52]

frink_:

OK, modelines are just as much a pain in the ass as always...

[08:49:11]

Rupert-Giles:

i've got like a 50GB monthly band cap which sucks but like from 12am -> 8am it's unlimited so i have like my dedicated server download shit all day and night store it and i have a cron job that wgets my stuff at 12am

[08:49:16]

Rupert-Giles:

>_<

[08:49:18]

Rupert-Giles:

t3h warez0r

[08:51:25]

Merlin83b:

Like, great. Like.

[08:53:05]

Rupert-Giles:

yes

[08:53:29]

Rupert-Giles:

just bought 2 500GB drives for my stuff

[08:53:33]

Rupert-Giles:

building mediabox

[08:54:02]

Rupert-Giles:

might use ubuntu + mythtv

[08:54:26]

anykey_:

Rupert-Giles: what about buying those things, instead of downloading it?

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Rupert-Giles:

anykey_ no monies!

[08:55:16]

anykey_:

Rupert-Giles: no content then!

[08:55:32]

** Rupert-Giles checks anykey_ hostmask **

[08:55:49]

anykey_:

no, I'm not RIAA ;-)

[08:56:02]

Rupert-Giles:

that's on

[08:56:11]

Rupert-Giles:

only something a member of the RIAA would say

[08:56:13]

Rupert-Giles:

:P

[08:56:32]

** Rupert-Giles hides all his tvshows and music **

[08:56:43]

anykey_:

not really. I'm not fan of those guys either...

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Zider:

ooo, my cable company finally got the two missing channels I wanted in their digital broadcast

[09:05:47]

Zider:

now the only problem is that their boxes doesn't have firewire.. :P

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directhex|work:

stuarta, managed a day of crap recordings before my network card caused a kernel oops, so it looks like #3380 is definitely fixed in svn

[09:07:02]

stuarta:

thanks, i'll mark it as fixed in head :)

[09:07:45]

stuarta:

do let me know if it does crap out

[09:12:57]

quicksilver:

I managed to write some shell/awk to get xmltvids and display names out of the tv_grab_uk_rt --list-channels output and splice them into my mysql DB!

[09:13:20]

stuarta:

quicksilver: you should talk to juski, he's been playing in that area too

[09:22:28]

quicksilver:

juski: ping?

[09:26:15]

juski:

pong!

[09:26:36]

juski:

you nicked my idea!

[09:27:19]

stuarta:

we need to co-ordinate this with xris

[09:27:39]

juski:

there's already been some work done in that direction but I intend mine to extend much further. like you tell a script where you live & whose TV package(s) you've got & it does the rest :)

[09:27:52]

stuarta:

get it integrated with services.mythtv.org

[09:28:21]

quicksilver:

juski: your stuff is cleverer

[09:28:25]

juski:

we can store the data files there

[09:28:27]

quicksilver:

juski: mine is just donkey-work

[09:28:30]

quicksilver:

but it's handy donkey work

[09:28:34]

juski:

quicksilver: same lame lookup stuff :)

[09:29:54]

juski:

www.juski.co.uk/sky.xml – example data file, not yet fully populated

[09:30:14]

quicksilver:

list.channels was a file containing the output of tv_grab_uk_rt --list-channels

[09:30:37]

quicksilver:

it's not perfect since display-name does not always match callsign

[09:30:44]

quicksilver:

but it gets a reasonable number of channels right :)

[09:31:02]

juski:

great for channels with xmltvids

[09:31:28]

juski:

but on $ly there are a hell of a lot of channels that don't get xmltv data that some users might still want

[09:31:47]

** quicksilver nods **

[09:31:49]

quicksilver:

yes

[09:31:56]

quicksilver:

the microproblem I was trying to solve

[09:32:04]

quicksilver:

is getting the right xmltvids in for freeview

[09:32:11]

quicksilver:

I agree there are bigger problems out there :)

[09:32:45]

juski:

I thought when you scanned freeview channels it just inserted xmltvids already

[09:33:07]

quicksilver:

well, it didn't when I tried

[09:33:15]

quicksilver:

conceivable I did something wrong...

[09:34:16]

juski:

I could be wrong. it's been known

[09:36:47]

Tanthrix:

Man the Richard Donner cut of Superman II sucks

[09:41:45]

juski:

I can't think of any film a 'directors cut' has improved

[09:42:13]

Tanthrix:

Donnie Darko comes to mind

[09:43:38]

Tanthrix:

But the Richard Donner version isn't just a usual director's cut. Donner filmed 75 percent of the movie then got sacked and replaced. For the new director to get credit they had to go back and refilm a bunch of stuff

[09:43:51]

juski:

ah

[09:44:04]

Tanthrix:

Much better I think. And the ending didn't involve time travel, one of the most worthless deus ex machinas that essentially destroys any plot

[09:44:50]

juski:

always way too much of a cop-out

[09:45:01]

Tanthrix:

Yah, it's one of my biggest pet peeves ever

[09:45:19]

Tanthrix:

And I am completely in awe of how frequently it is used, and how most people seemingly don't care

[09:46:33]

juski:

I usually forgive little plot holes. I mean the whole nature of a lot of cinema involves you suspending disbelief temporarily -but a line needs to be drawn somewhere ;)

[09:46:44]

Tanthrix:

Aye.

[09:47:18]

juski:

I'm a bit disappointed by how much of 'Heroes

[09:47:34]

juski:

' is ripped straight out of the XMen films though

[09:47:38]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[09:47:46]

Tanthrix:

I watched the first two episodes of that a few nights ago

[09:47:46]

juski:

hadn't seen xmen before I started watching Heroes

[09:48:05]

Tanthrix:

I stopped very quickly as I realized how gimicky it was

[09:48:39]

juski:

it's still a worthy distraction IMHO.. definitely more so than 'lost' ffs ;) speaking of gimmicks ^^^

[09:48:40]

Zider:

Heroes has more "non-super-hero" plot than x-men imo

[09:48:41]

Tanthrix:

(In the sense that it's one of those new trendy shows that heaps mystery on top of mystery with very little sensical plot so the end result is a kind of soap opera)

[09:49:08]

Tanthrix:

Gotta keep watching to find out what happens!

[09:49:23]

Tanthrix:

Needless to say I decided to stop watching before I got pulled in ;)

[09:49:49]

Zider:

they seem to have only one season planned tho.. :/

[09:50:00]

Tanthrix:

Oh really?

[09:50:04]

Tanthrix:

That's actually a good thing.

[09:50:18]

Zider:

no :P

[09:50:26]

Tanthrix:

I've never seen Lost, but from what I can gather it's the same premise – they have no idea where they are going and are just making up crap as they go along.

[09:50:37]

Zider:

Lost really suck :P

[09:50:43]

Zider:

mu ex used to watch it

[09:50:44]

Tanthrix:

Much, much better to have a grand plan that finishes triumpantly.

[09:51:08]

Tanthrix:

Instead of the "keep making shows until the money stops coming" approach

[09:51:08]

juski:

yeah about my comment about suspension of disbelief – there's only so far I'm willing to go with that, and Lost goes over the line by a million miles

[09:51:14]

Tanthrix:

Case in point, Stargate SG-1

[09:51:24]

Tanthrix:

And about a billion other shows.

[09:51:46]

Zider:

well at least SG1 was good entertainment :)

[09:52:00]

juski:

IYHO, Zider ;)

[09:52:06]

Zider:

IMNSHO yes :)

[09:54:06]

Tanthrix:

The Adventures of Robin Hood on HD-DVD is freaking amazing

[09:54:19]

Zider:

the disney?

[09:54:21]

Tanthrix:

Approaching 80 year old film and it's crystal clear with perfect technicolor.

[09:54:51]

Tanthrix:

No, Errol Flynn

[09:55:02]

Zider:

ach so

[09:55:05]

Tronic:

Crystal clear film? That is something that I haven't seen yet.

[09:55:06]

Tanthrix:

It was just bizarre to watch

[09:55:09]

juski:

pixel perfect eh? reworked to bits :)

[09:55:17]

Tronic:

On 36 mm, at least.

[09:55:26]

Tronic:

72 mm is quite impressive.

[09:55:59]

Tanthrix:

Tronic: I'm sorry it doesn't give you the near infinite resolution that you desire, but I was speaking in reference to its age

[09:56:11]

Tanthrix:

Looks better than a lot of movies from the 90s

[09:56:18]

juski:

last few movies I've been to see, the size of the grain is quite noticable

[09:56:40]

Tronic:

I just watched 300 yesterday and the film grain / noise in that was quite horrible.

[09:56:41]

juski:

though it's impossible to know what's 'real' film grain & which has been 'made to look like film'

[09:56:51]

Tronic:

I wonder how they managed to mess it up so badly.

[09:56:59]

Zider:

the 90s was the age of massproducing movies ;)

[09:57:14]

juski:

Tronic: shot digitally, made to 'look like' film in post? ;)

[09:57:28]

slaine_:

Tronic, when I went to see it was pin sharp, so could have just been your theater

[09:57:32]

Tanthrix:

Ugh, artifical grain is annoying. Battlestar Galactica is just covered in artifical grain for some kind of BS artistic look

[09:57:38]

Tronic:

juski: I don't think so, as the amount of grain varied a lot from shot to another.

[09:57:56]

Tronic:

I'd suppose that PP grain would be added after editing.

[09:58:28]

juski:

maybe they used an inexperienced colorist

[09:58:39]

Tronic:

Well, possibly they did the CG before cutting and added the grain there..

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Tanthrix:

Though, when it gets down to it, getting annoyed that this kind of stuff is just plain stupid

[09:59:52]

Tronic:

Hopefully Pirates 3 will be better, as that's the next movie I'm going to see at the digital cinema.

[09:59:57]

Tanthrix:

I've been trying to tone down my search for the perfect video experience lately to help improve my mental health ;)

[10:00:07]

Zider:

next movie for me will be Spideyboy 3

[10:01:00]

Tronic:

Tanthrix: -sws 9 -vf fspp,pp=fd,scale=1920:-2,noise=4gt gets pretty close to perfection.

[10:01:30]

Tanthrix:

I don't know about that, lot of people think yadif is better

[10:01:43]

Tronic:

Drop pp=fd if the material is progressive. Change 1920 to your display's horizontal resolution. Adjust noise level (4) to match the material.

[10:01:51]

Tanthrix:

http://guru.multimedia.cx/deinterlacing-filters/

[10:01:51]

Zider:

I can filter out the bad quality, bad effects and even crappy acting, and still enjoy the story of a movie

[10:02:43]

Zider:

it's all in your mind :)

[10:03:01]

Tanthrix:

My new TV has some banding issues that I'm trying to ignore

[10:03:24]

Zider:

*off and away*

[10:03:26]

Tronic:

Haven't tried yadif, but it seems pretty damn impressive.

[10:03:27]

Tanthrix:

They are not visible 98 percent of the time, but sometimes, when the screen is showing something all grey ish, and there is a pan, I can just make them out

[10:03:30]

Tronic:

(in that comparison)

[10:03:39]

Tronic:

Have to see how well it works in motion...

[10:03:44]

Tronic:

And how much CPU it uses.

[10:03:56]

Tanthrix:

Tronic: Yah, I haven't tried it myself yet, but I'll play around with your line. Thanks

[10:04:31]

Tronic:

Tanthrix: Forget about using it for HD material, though.

[10:04:42]

Tronic:

You'd need a 12 GHz Core2 Duo or something alike.

[10:04:56]

Tronic:

(and the fastest ones are around 3 GHz)

[10:05:39]

Tanthrix:

What does the fspp do?

[10:05:52]

Tronic:

High quality deblocking.

[10:06:10]

Tronic:

fspp is an optimized version of spp, which might give even higher quality.

[10:06:36]

Tronic:

But it requires a really fast CPU even for 720x576.

[10:07:06]

Tronic:

(fspp does, but spp is *even* slower)

[10:07:43]

juski:

the old adage about silk purses & sow's ears still applies ;)

[10:09:00]

mIRCat:

I have some magic beans I'll sell you?

[10:10:12]

juski:

I've never had any problems with bob deinterlacing. looks perfect on every recording, even ones with sideways scrolling text

[10:10:45]

stuarta:

i'm quite happy with kernel

[10:10:58]

Tronic:

juski: It suffers of flickering in certain situations.

[10:11:12]

juski:

Tronic: not in any situation I've thrown at it

[10:11:23]

juski:

even the OSD looks rock solid

[10:11:27]

Tronic:

Try anything with vertically small details.

[10:11:35]

juski:

nope

[10:11:49]

Tronic:

For some reason, the OSD flickers for me, too, when using bob.

[10:12:20]

Tronic:

It shouldn't be because of the algorithm, but I suppose it's a bug in MythTV (the OSD shouldn't get deinterlaced in the first place).

[10:12:57]

Tronic:

In Finnish TV the topmost pixel row always seems to be flickering with bob.

[10:13:41]

Tronic:

Probably it is missing a pair, so one line is black and the other is whatever color the picture is => bad flicker.

[10:14:13]

juski:

I never see the top/bottom lines because my tv output is perfectly scaled :)

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Tanthrix:

Bob flickers for me as well, unfortunately.

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juski:

YMMV :)

[10:15:13]

Tanthrix:

It also technically halves the resolution of the video which I don't much like the idea of

[10:15:41]

juski:

oh dear oh dear

[10:15:45]

Tanthrix:

(In that each frame is a line doubled field)

[10:15:46]

juski:

interlacing is what does that

[10:16:19]

Tanthrix:

Not all deinterlacing, juski. Just bob and one field.

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[10:16:29]

Tanthrix:

But, even so, it doesn't look that bad to me either.

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[10:16:46]

Tanthrix:

All SD stuff just blends into crap in my mind ;)

[10:16:59]

Tanthrix:

(Which is a shame, since nearly all my favorite shows are SD)

[10:17:13]

juski:

yeah well I wish you well with your h.264 HD playback on your 'puny' 4Ghz CPU

[10:17:21]

juski:

:-P

[10:17:40]

Tanthrix:

I do 720p x264 fairly reliably on my 2GH XP2600+

[10:17:50]

juski:

not 1080i though eh

[10:18:00]

Tanthrix:

Never tried to be honest.

[10:18:20]

Tanthrix:

(Assuming myth isn't doing the playing)

[10:18:24]

juski:

lol

[10:18:47]

Tanthrix:

Well, myth can do it, but only if nothing else is going on. If I want it to work decently I gotta use mplayer

[10:18:51]

** GreyFoxx wonders how well my main frontend would handle 720o x264 **

[10:20:06]

Tanthrix:

What CPU do you have?

[10:20:33]

GreyFoxx:

x2500+. I know it plays 1080i and 720p mpeg2 just fine, I've just never had a x264 HD sample to try

[10:21:43]

Tanthrix:

Though, all h264 clips are not created equally. My 2600+ system can actually play that 1080P with only minor stuttering

[10:21:55]

Tanthrix:

Where as I've come across some 720P clips that it can't do very well

[10:22:03]

Tanthrix:

Depends on the level of compression or bitrate or something

[10:22:38]

juski:

try out 18Mbit clips from the BBC test mux :)

[10:23:08]

juski:

18Mbit h.264.. ferchrissakes

[10:23:09]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[10:23:21]

GreyFoxx:

I'd love to see what those look like :)

[10:23:34]

Tanthrix:

juski: Don't knock it til you've tried it. HD done right is astonishing.

[10:23:41]

Tronic:

I have some 25 Mbit/s H.264.

[10:23:45]

juski:

I found one online, managed to grab about 15MB of it. looked stunning

[10:23:59]

Tronic:

I really need a better player to be able to play them smoothly.

[10:24:01]

juski:

I could only play at 2fps but it was nice

[10:24:07]

Tronic:

Something that uses threads.

[10:24:14]

Tronic:

Currently my CPU is about maxed out.

[10:24:17]

juski:

ffmpeg is going that way

[10:24:21]

voltagex:

hi, if my xmltv grabber requires it's own configuration file, which user's home directory does that have to be in?

[10:24:34]

Tanthrix:

Tronic: Anyway, about deinterlacing and stuff, it's a shame that software deinterlacing is kind of neglected

[10:24:58]

Tanthrix:

Tronic: A semi-decent dvd player will often look significantly better than the best mplayer can do, from some of the comparisons I've done

[10:25:10]

Tanthrix:

Well, significantly is a strong word, but better ;)

[10:25:19]

Tronic:

One thing that is missing from most video players is being able to sync & time playback with screen refreshes.

[10:25:25]

Tanthrix:

We need to get some more decent adaptive deinterlacers

[10:25:44]

juski:

Tanthrix: dscaler has some nifty ones doesn't it?

[10:25:47]

Tronic:

AFAIK this is what MythTV settings "Sync to OpenGL" and "Use video as timebase" do together.

[10:25:47]

Tanthrix:

Tronic: nvidia-settings gives a box to check to make all Xv stuff sync.

[10:26:13]

anykey_:

why do the stations broadcast interlaced? I mean, 720p looks better :)

[10:26:35]

Tronic:

On Windows there is a DirectShow filter called Reclock that does it.

[10:26:42]

juski:

some types of material look 'better' interlaced

[10:26:45]

Tanthrix:

I used to have tearing problems so I used openGL and all that stuff until I eventually upgraded my nvidia driver, and everything is sycned now

[10:26:50]

Tanthrix:

juski: Not sure about dscaler

[10:26:50]

Tronic:

But none of MPlayer, Xine and VLC support it.

[10:26:59]

Tanthrix:

And I totally agree, 1080i is annoying.

[10:27:07]

Tanthrix:

They should have waited longer to make 1080P the standard

[10:27:22]

anykey_:

well, 1080p uses much more bandwith...

[10:27:25]

juski:

Tanthrix: don't think they have the broadcast bandwidth, if they use mpeg2

[10:27:28]

Tanthrix:

I notice serious bluring issues on most 1080i stuff. The fact that it's so detailed makes any blur jump out

[10:27:29]

Tronic:

Tanthrix: IMO they should not make standards at all.

[10:27:48]

Tronic:

Tanthrix: Just make the hardware support everything and then use whatever is the most appropriate in each situation.

[10:27:49]

Tanthrix:

So, most of the time I'd prefer 720P to 1080i

[10:27:55]

juski:

the word 'standard' is prolly getting on for the best example of a misnomer these days

[10:28:07]

Tanthrix:

Tronic: Make the hardware support...standards then? :P

[10:28:28]

Tronic:

24 FPS is way too low, so that should be the next thing to improve in movie production. Unfortunatel that isn't happening any time soon.

[10:28:36]

anykey_:

well, at least they broadcast in MPEG-AVC here... now I just need to get a dish & some DVB-S hardware & some cams ;)

[10:28:55]

Tanthrix:

The first time I saw 1080i I thought my TV was having ghosting problems

[10:29:13]

Tanthrix:

The closer you get to perfection the further away you are...

[10:29:30]

Tanthrix:

Like the "uncanny valley" effect with regards to animation

[10:29:37]

Tronic:

Tanthrix: Maybe if you watched some VCDs once in a while?

[10:29:50]

Tronic:

Just to maintain your idea of how BAD video can be.

[10:29:56]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[10:30:00]

juski:

VCDs have their uses

[10:30:08]

Tanthrix:

juski: Yah, for coasters.

[10:30:09]

juski:

as coasters, frisbees...

[10:30:13]

Tronic:

juski: Yes, you can throw them at the people you hate.

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mIRCat:

flying disc of deah!

[10:30:35]

mIRCat:

..death*

[10:31:21]

quicksilver:

Tanthrix: yes, it's funny. I rather like old fashion phosphor based CRT TVs because they are nice and soft and blurry :)

[10:31:30]

juski:

Tronic: I'd much rather go on a killing spree with a gun

[10:31:36]

quicksilver:

Tanthrix: get a really good quality screen and you can see what's wrong with your video..

[10:31:44]

Tanthrix:

quicksilver: Indeed.

[10:31:56]

juski:

once you know how to spot an mpeg compression artifact you're doomed ;)

[10:31:58]

Tanthrix:

My friend's HD CRT is pretty damn nice for that reason. Combines the best of both worlds.

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Tanthrix:

So, overall, the problem is in the mind. And like I said, I'm getting over it

[10:32:35]

Tanthrix:

And very much enjoying watching anything on my new 42 inch LCD :)

[10:33:02]

juski:

some of the flat panels I've seen have no regard for even the correct field order, let alone how to deinterlace it

[10:33:17]

juski:

"but it says HD Ready", so it must be good :)

[10:33:24]

Tanthrix:

Yah, it's insane.

[10:33:33]

Tanthrix:

That's why I waited to get a 1080P set.

[10:33:43]

Tanthrix:

Can output at 1080P and do everything in software

[10:34:04]

Tanthrix:

Looks a lot better than the crappy deinterlacing and scalers that most sets do

[10:34:08]

Tanthrix:

scaling*

[10:34:11]

juski:

I'll wait til areally good one can be had for a few hundred quids

[10:34:42]

juski:

right now I don't think you'd get much change out of a grand for a good one

[10:34:48]

Tanthrix:

I split the cost of mine with my GF, so I got myself a 1080P 42 inch sharp aquos for $750 ;)

[10:35:05]

juski:

heh. that's what I call commitment :-P

[10:35:27]

Tanthrix:

Yah, I told her that we have to get married now at some point since the only other option is to cut the TV down the middle

[10:37:14]

Tanthrix:

Off to bed, night.

[10:39:05]

stuarta:

i just bought my 37" and installed it at hers

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directhex|work:

orac:~ # grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo

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directhex|work:

152

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stuarta:

nice.

[10:42:01]

directhex|work:

my computer's bigger than yours :p

[10:42:15]

directhex|work:

doesn't run compiz though :(

[10:50:32]

juski:

what's compiz? ;)

[10:55:34]

juski:

oo exciting times in the lab. some managers are deciding the specs for all the new dvr machines we built this week :)

[10:56:27]

anykey_:

lol

[10:57:43]

juski:

I know. I always used to think you came up with a spec _before_ you even started designing a product. just shows you why I'm not a a manager!

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[10:58:17]

juski:

my kind of thinking is what's holding me back in this company

[10:59:08]

GreyFoxx:

Logical ?

[10:59:20]

purserj:

juski: try working in the tv industry

[11:00:17]

juski:

purserj: I had a taste of what 'da meeja' is like when I did a 2 week stint in a radio station. so er.. no thanks :)

[11:00:42]

purserj:

heh, well I did 4.5 years for a national network plus two radio stations

[11:02:48]

juski:

had 1 week in 'creative', one week in engineering. neither appealed much, both being equally banal in different areas

[11:03:31]

juski:

little did I know then that pretty much just sums up any 'job' ;)

[11:09:02]

janneg:

juski: do you have hiqh quality versions of the mythtv logo? is it available in a vector format?

[11:10:23]

juski:

janneg: the background is afcking hard to draw in vector form

[11:10:34]

juski:

www.juski.co.uk/mythlogo.png

[11:13:17]

janneg:

is that a vectorized remake? it looks different than the logo on www.mythtv.org

[11:13:52]

juski:

nope

[11:14:10]

juski:

I could draw one but the background still has to be a bitmap

[11:15:43]

juski:

does anybody even know who drew the original logo?!

[11:15:54]

janneg:

the text colour differs

[11:16:18]

juski:

heh. you ever tried making an exact copy with different tools? ;)

[11:18:12]

juski:

the text of that last one just doesn't look right at all

[11:21:25]

janneg:

yes, it's missing the 3D effect of the original text

[11:22:22]

janneg:

the background color is also wrong

[11:24:15]

juski:

at the end of the day they'

[11:24:25]

juski:

they're all instantly recognisable

[11:25:12]

jarle:

juski: What kind of software did you use to make the mythTV promo-video?

[11:26:10]

** juski isn't telling **

[11:26:18]

juski:

it wasn't cinelerra

[11:26:32]

juski:

go on – give me a bollocking for not using OSS

[11:27:02]

** directhex|work pokes juski with the stick of pragmatism **

[11:27:36]

jarle:

juski: That's why I was asking, didn't know you would get linux/open source with those qualities...

[11:27:44]

juski:

show me an OSS tool which can do tricks like that & I'll use it :)

[11:28:02]

** directhex|work uses an OSS tool for windows for subtitle manglement **

[11:30:36]

juski:

I used Reason for the music, Sony Vegas for the video & audio mixing

[11:31:16]

juski:

anyway, since I paid for all the software I used in the first place, that might have a lot to do with why I use it :)

[11:36:57]

juski:

janneg: you've got a copy of the big promo vid safe & sound haven't you? just so I can delete it :)

[11:39:00]

janneg:

juski: yes

[11:40:31]

juski:

cool. all gone :)

[11:40:46]

janneg:

should I delete it also from the mirror? or do you just need the space? if it's just the space feel free to link to http://www.grunau.be/juski/

[11:41:47]

juski:

you can delete the individual rar files if you like :)

[11:44:25]

janneg:

done. a different filename for the video would be good

[11:45:14]

janneg:

is mythtv_promo_april_2007_juski.mpg ok?

[11:45:29]

juski:

yeah that's fine

[11:45:44]

GhostFreeman:

hell its ok

[11:46:00]

GhostFreeman:

better than I could have done (I have jack squat)

[11:47:25]

imperfect-:

goo dgod

[11:47:27]

imperfect-:

its 600M

[11:47:30]

imperfect-:

what the heck is it

[11:48:21]

GhostFreeman:

nobody wants to download that

[11:48:24]

janneg:

juski: btw the voice over is that your voice?

[11:48:29]

juski:

http://www.juski.co.uk/mythtvflyer.png

[11:48:34]

juski:

janneg: yeah

[11:48:51]

juski:

I'm cheap :)

[11:49:13]

janneg:

but good

[11:49:28]

juski:

do not drive or operate machinery while listening to the audio track :)

[11:51:05]

pat_:

evening lads

[11:52:47]

janneg:

GhostFreeman: indeed. It has only 4 donwloads (including one by me)

[11:52:48]

juski:

whoah. just had to wash my hands again after eating. phew. smelled like I'd shook hands with a Bolton lass

[11:53:09]

** stuarta raises an eyebrow **

[11:53:28]

stuarta:

bah, lunchtime

[11:59:05]

imperfect-:

Anyone using a streamzap remote?

[12:03:15]

juski:

stuarta: prawn sandwiches & my newly re-found sense of smell

[12:04:03]

imperfect-:

Anyone know why mplayer would refuse to listen to my ~/.lircrc?

[12:04:32]

directhex|work:

it tends to. you can manually tell it where your lircrc file is though

[12:05:02]

directhex|work:

with -lircconf /path/to/lircrc

[12:05:12]

directhex|work:

and yes i know it should be using the default, it just seems not to IME

[12:05:14]

imperfect-:

so, on launch?

[12:05:34]

imperfect-:

do i need to make a file w/ just mplayer commands in it?

[12:06:58]

directhex|work:

you can edit the mplayer command line used by mythvideo somewhere in the settings

[12:07:10]

imperfect-:

yeah I know

[12:07:12]

imperfect-:

What I mean is

[12:07:20]

imperfect-:

so I need a lircrc w/ just mplayer definitions?

[12:07:29]

imperfect-:

s/so/do

[12:07:44]

directhex|work:

you can have a lircrc with all things in it

[12:07:50]

imperfect-:

Cool

[12:08:09]

directhex|work:

the program= (i think) controls which app a given section of lircrc applies to

[12:08:28]

directhex|work:

"prog = mplayer", that's it

[12:09:02]

directhex|work:

so have "prog = mplayer" for some bits, "prog = mythtv" for others, and lirc will send the right key depending on the running app

[12:09:41]

directhex|work:

and "prog = vlc" if you so wish

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imperfect-:

nod

[12:30:12]

imperfect-:

that's the way it's set up now

[12:30:14]

imperfect-:

but as I said

[12:30:18]

imperfect-:

mplayer is hatin

[12:30:26]

imperfect-:

myth works fine tho

[12:32:23]

stuarta:

juski: ew.

[12:33:02]

juski:

I can spot a smoker at 100 paces now though

[12:33:53]

jarle:

I'm missing a way to have mplayer display information about the playing movie in the GUI (not just the console), is this possible?

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juski:

I've never seen the point in being able to show the stream statistics onscreen

[12:39:34]

jarle:

juski: not just in a mythtv environment, more in daily usage...

[12:40:56]

Daviey:

juski, have you seen LRL is having "The Path to the $100 Embedded Linux Media Centre"

[12:41:32]

juski:

Daviey: yeah. might try to catch that

[12:41:59]

Daviey:

think i might have to go aswell

[12:42:04]

gardengnome:

juski: gotta love that sniper rifle

[12:42:19]

jarle:

Daviey: LRL ?

[12:42:30]

juski:

jarle: lugradio.org/live/

[12:42:38]

juski:

gardengnome: what sniper rifle?

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gardengnome:

juski: "I can spot a smoker at 100 paces now though"

[12:43:19]

juski:

heheh

[12:43:47]

juski:

it's more the stench actually

[12:44:07]

gardengnome:

do you have the "*I* managed to quit, you poor bastards" smile yet?

[12:44:10]

Daviey:

hmm.... i had a bath only 8 days ago

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juski:

no but I imagine it's coming with a vengeance

[12:45:17]

juski:

I can see me running up to people in the street extinguishing their ciggies for em

[12:45:25]

directhex|work:

given the way smokers talk about it, you'd think quitting was more involved than "no more fags now tbh"

[12:45:47]

juski:

there's only one thing worse than a non-smoker who lectures you... an ex-smoker lecturing you

[12:45:48]

Daviey:

directhex|work, say that to a crack or warcraft addict

[12:46:29]

juski:

directhex|work: easy for you to day. take it up & have 20 or so a day for 10 years. then just stop

[12:46:33]

juski:

*say

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gardengnome:

juski: the GF called me "arrogant a**hole" last night when i talked about smokers.. ;)

[12:48:10]

directhex|work:

juski, i know what i'm like, which is why i've never smoked a ciggie

[12:48:31]

juski:

directhex|work: also why I've never been tempted to try cocaine

[12:48:55]

juski:

sniff! whoops, there's my life in the gutter

[12:49:36]

juski:

anyway back in #mythtv-users

[12:57:28]

hugolp:

juski: cigarretes are far more adictive than cocaine

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gardengnome:

but less fun

[12:58:27]

gardengnome:

i mean, if i wanted to become addicted to something again, i'd try something that'd make me happy at least

[12:58:51]

juski:

sexoholism ftw!

[12:59:29]

stuarta:

i'm getting bored doing SMART tests on old server disks

[12:59:33]

hugolp:

gardengnome: I am with you. Never understood tobaco adicts. It fucks your health and doesnt make you high. Whats the deal?

[12:59:53]

juski:

hugolp: don't knock it til you've tried it & got hooked :-P

[13:00:00]

gardengnome:

juski: well, you'll feel pretty bad after a few days ;)

[13:00:07]

Daviey:

hugolp, there is a little secret that smokers get sworn to secrecy...... wanna find out?

[13:00:29]

juski:

Daviey: that the one that it's so cool, big & clever? ;)

[13:00:30]

gardengnome:

Daviey: the first one is always free

[13:01:08]

hugolp:

Daviey: yes, enlight me please

[13:01:20]

Daviey:

hugolp, if you light up, then i will tell you

[13:01:39]

Daviey:

chicks really digg it aswell :P

[13:01:46]

hugolp:

I never have tobaco if ther isnt weed in it XD

[13:01:59]

Daviey:

nice

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juski:

there's that damn emo smiley again

[13:02:13]

Daviey:

:s

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gardengnome:

i didn't know they smiled

[13:03:56]

hugolp:

juski: get use to it

[13:04:18]

juski:

*used* to it you mean. ahhh

[13:05:31]

juski:

!trout sata_cable_supplier lazy

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** MythLogBot slaps sata_cable_supplier with a lazy trout on behalf of juski... **

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hugolp:

juski: is that a clever joke that I dont get or is it really used?

[13:05:48]

juski:

them & their damn long lunches

[13:06:21]

juski:

hugolp: you mean "get *used* to it.. ". "get use to it" doesn't make sense :)

[13:06:37]

hugolp:

juski: ok

[13:06:40]

hugolp:

used then

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voltagex:

hello, how do I tell MythTV's mythfilldatabase to grab all XMLTV channels from the source? It's ignoring all the channels it's downloaded.

[13:19:05]

gbee:

voltagex: could you rephrase that? I'm not sure what you mean

[13:20:06]

voltagex:

gbee: Unknown xmltv channel identifier: ABC-NSW

[13:20:07]

voltagex:

Skipping channel.

[13:23:50]

gbee:

right, so you need to fix the *.xmltv config file, because the xmltvids have changed or were wrong

[13:25:04]

gbee:

tv_grab_au --configure --config-file=~/.mythtv/sourcename.xmltv

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voltagex:

ok

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voltagex:

ok, when mythfilldatabase runs just after the setup program, does it log to anywhere?

[13:37:12]

voltagex:

I need to see the error it's displaying but the screen disappears too quickly

[13:37:33]

Fnc_:

shift + pageup

[13:38:27]

janneg:

lol, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythtv lists LinuxMCE as competing software

[13:39:07]

juski:

the trouble with wikis :)

[13:39:42]

juski:

as far as I'm concerned at LRL, linuxmce doesn't exist

[13:40:41]

hugolp:

linuxmce uses mythtv

[13:40:49]

hugolp:

how is that supouse to be compiting?

[13:40:57]

janneg:

hugolp: yes, that's the joke

[13:41:01]

juski:

hugolp: ask whoever edited the wiki

[13:45:40]

hugolp:

I have change it

[13:46:03]

hugolp:

you can breath in relieve, a competitor is gone

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hugolp:

XD

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Merlin83b:

What is XD?

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gardengnome:

it's a smiley

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hugolp:

Merlin83b: menas laughing

[13:47:55]

Merlin83b:

Blimey.

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Merlin83b:

Smileys sure are abstract these days.

[13:49:33]

Merlin83b:

Did the internets decided lol was too easy to understand or something?

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stuarta:

i blame the SMS culture

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gardengnome:

"lol" doesn't look asian enough

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hugolp:

Merlin83b: no, they just decided to create XD to bother you

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Merlin83b:

That was mean :<

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hugolp:

XD

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juski:

the whole concept of mythtv having 'competition' is just ludicrous

[13:52:13]

stuarta:

either that or it's a damn big monobrow

[13:52:47]

juski:

poemon-icon ;)

[13:55:48]

juski:

"oh noes! how on Earth are we going to format this 320GB HDD as fat32 when all we have is windows XP machines?!"

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voltagex:

how can I join the 30minute mpeg2 segments that MythTV creates?

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juski:

da-da-dahhhh ... ubunut to the rescue XD

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juski:

voltagex: cat ?

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voltagex:

juski: are you serious?

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juski:

yesh

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voltagex:

juski: what about mpeg2 headers and all that.

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juski:

if they're mpeg2 I think you can just cat multiple files together

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voltagex:

wow

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voltagex:

we'll see

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fryfrog:

get you off the phone :/

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fryfrog:

an ol' CSR trick

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fryfrog:

dude's shift was prolly over or something :p

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voltagex:

juski: mpgtx is freaking out about the mpeg files myth generates – it can't find an mpeg2 header

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qu0zl:

What are you producing the files with voltagex? Is it a digital source, pvr card, framegrabber (which wouldn't actually be mpeg2 output)

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voltagex:

qu0zl: it's an AverTV DVB-T card

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voltagex:

that's as much as I know

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juski:

fryfrog: ah that's ok. they must'nt want the 100k pieces a year business then :)

[14:21:11]

qu0zl:

hmm, that should give you mpeg2-ts anyway. WHat's mpgtx? it's not expecting a PES instead of a TS?

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qu0zl:

if you run 'file' on the command voltagex, you should see 'MPEG transport stream data'. Otherwise it is malformed

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voltagex:

(scan_pes.c) looks like an elementary stream – not program stream << says transcode

[14:23:02]

voltagex:

damn

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voltagex:

1020_20070429193004.mpg: data

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voltagex:

what can I do to un-break my MPEG files without losing the TTX subtitles?

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janneg:

voltagex: just use cat

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qu0zl:

no idea

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janneg:

qu0zl: that's not true file doesn't detect all my mpeg2-ts files correctly

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voltagex:

janneg: joining them is now not the main issue, working with the files as properly formed MPEGs is

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janneg:

I'm not even sure if it detects one of my recordings as mpeg2-ts

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janneg:

voltagex: you'll need software that can handle mpeg2-ts

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juski:

projectx, e.g.

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voltagex:

juski: this is now getting complicated. Is MythTV getting malformed data from my card?

[14:28:21]

janneg:

voltagex: probably not. the data my be garbled, but the file should be a correct mpeg2-ts

[14:28:32]

janneg:

s/my/may/

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tzanger:

hmm

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juski:

dvb mpeg _is' garbled. kind of

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tzanger:

I wonder how these DVB satellite PCI cards are getting the MPEG2 stream to the PC

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voltagex:

janneg: so what under linux can read/demux mpeg2-ts and be run as a batch job?

[14:29:10]

tzanger:

I mean the twinhans hit a BT878 which is a video capture card

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tzanger:

er video capture chip

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tzanger:

it *does* support digital input, but it's not doing that

[14:29:34]

tzanger:

it's passing raw MPEG2 back

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tzanger:

maybe it's just writing the stream data to its internal capture buffer

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janneg:

voltagex: ffmpeg, projectx, mythtranscode, ...

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voltagex:

janneg: the ttx subtitles are the main problem, only Project X can rip them, and then only from within the GUI, not the CLI

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juski:

the 'garbled' bit of dvb streams is the error correction & extra cruft they put in to make it more robust

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gardengnome:

tzanger: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/BT878

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juski:

woohoo! got my return phonecall at last

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tzanger:

gardengnome: aha

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janneg:

juski: the card/driver handle that

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tzanger:

it does abuse the chip

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juski:

I reckon the weekend has just started

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tzanger:

that's what I thought

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janneg:

juski: they are reading in here?

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juski:

janneg: I thought the resultant stream was still icky despite that

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juski:

janneg: maybe

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juski:

bah I'm sure I'll understand it one day

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juski:

biab

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janneg:

juski: there is no redundant data in it

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voltagex:

is there some one line command I can use on an mpeg2-ts to rip the subtitles?

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voltagex:

if I uploaded a sample, would someone be able to tell me how to rip these subtitles?

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voltagex:

I challenge anyone to rip the subtitles from http://voltagex.org/sample.mpg without the use of Project X

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voltagex:

a hex editor is more user friendly than Project X

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gpd:

any thoughts on how to remove the panels from view when mythfrontend is running — feisty with beryl <- probably the cause

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Ribs:

gpd: I have that issue with mandriva and compiz

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Ribs:

using the normal window manager fixed it

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gpd:

hmm. nobody seems to know – even on #beryl :(

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masonsjax:

isnt there an option somewhere for mythfrontend to always be on top?

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masonsjax:

maybe nto

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masonsjax:

not

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gardengnome:

masonsjax: that'd be the job of your window manager

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imperfect-:

gpd : I'd switch wm's before starting the frontend

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alibi:

Hi

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alibi:

I'm truly desperate due to LIRC weirdness

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alibi:

Any real experts here? :)

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fryfrog:

nah, just a bunch of suckers :(

[17:01:53]

alibi:

Hehe

[17:02:01]

alibi:

Well, let me ask anyway just in case...

[17:03:30]

alibi:

I have an iMon IR receiver. I can use irrecord to capture codes, but somehow these change from keypress to keypress, meaning that I have to hold down a given button until it repeats to the signal that irrecord had set in the conf. This makes things (1) very slow and (2) unreliable since some buttons will actually trigget 2 seperate results

[17:03:50]

alibi:

I do have the right module loaded for the receiver

[17:04:01]

alibi:

Anyone seen this?

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gbee:

alibi: that's usually the best approach, people tend to lurk and wait for questions they can answer – they don't volunteer help upfront without knowing what they are getting themselves into

[17:08:40]

sid3windr:

hmm

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sid3windr:

I have an imon and haven't even gotten lirc to work let alone ability for irrecord :/

[17:09:02]

masonsjax:

so each button sends more than one code?

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sid3windr:

alibi: do you use the lirc_imon module?

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bluey-:

can i use nvidia-settings over x11 remote?

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LinuxHelp:

Just out of interest, might I ask why MythTv is not included in Debian? (And yes, I know I can download the deb's at www.debian-multimedia.org)

[17:51:01]

LinuxHelp:

Also another question, the Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150 works with MythTV, but what about the Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150 "MCE" (Media Centre Edition) ?

[17:51:09]

gardengnome:

it depends on liblame which is not included in debian due to license issues

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gardengnome:

LinuxHelp: www.ivtvdriver.org

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fryfrog:

LinuxHelp: generally, the mce versions are also supported

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fryfrog:

i think back when the PVR250 was new, it took a few revisions for support of the MCE version as well

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fryfrog:

same was prolly true of 150MCE, but that card is "old" now so i think support is fine

[17:58:12]

LinuxHelp:

Great, the MCE one was $22 cheaper

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fryfrog:

yar!

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fryfrog:

in the pvr250 vs mce, it didn't come with a remote and it had rca audio connectors instead of a headphones jack

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fryfrog:

dunno what the mce version of the 150 is

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LinuxHelp:

No remote either I think

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juski:

I mean other than obvious things like dvb subtitles & resolution of course ;)

[18:12:18]

Tanthrix:

There's all sorts of weird stuff like GOP size, etc.. that can make it noncompliant

[18:12:34]

stuarta:

dvdnav packets too

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juski:

hmm. so what do the likes of projectx do to 'fix' a dvb recording? just tidy up the timestamps?

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juski:

never mind. just done a spot of reading to fill that particular gap :)

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janneg:

juski: no problem. DVD has more restrictions. fewer valid resolution, lower maximal bitrate and different buffer size

[18:20:21]

juski:

transport streams while simple in theory, are doing some pretty damn clever stuff

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janneg:

the main part of the processing projectx does is repacking the elematary stream to mpeg2-ps

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janneg:

transport streams are much more flexible

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janneg:

a mpeg2 program stream holds only a single video with a constant number of audio and subtitle streams

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jams:

juski- you know anything about the mythbunta installer? any screenshots laying around?

[18:22:36]

jams:

i'm curious what it looks like

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juski:

jams: I know it's all 'coming soon' & that is _it_

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jams:

heh

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jams:

ok

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gardengnome:

jams: i don't think they've got anything ready yet. there's #ubuntu-mythtv though

[18:23:03]

janneg:

while transport streams can contain a big number of individual programs with a variable number of streams

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jams:

i noticed their webpage said it was coming soon. Just curious what it looked like

[18:24:11]

juski:

the main thing that threw me was that I'd always assumed the error correction was done at the decoder end

[18:24:23]

juski:

not in the receiver

[18:24:37]

juski:

dunno how I'd ever got that impression but that's it :)

[18:25:11]

jams:

man this personal folder archive has been importing for 4 hours now. Hopefully it will be finished soon

[18:26:19]

juski:

I'm going to be re-jigging this room this weekend. damn good spring clean to finally be rid of the _stench_

[18:26:44]

gardengnome:

good idea

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jams:

hopefully you will be able to find the source of the stench

[18:27:23]

juski:

gardengnome: btw on the way home I wasn't even thinking about what you said earlier, but ended up having a chuckle at some poor people's expense ;)

[18:27:28]

gardengnome:

it's dead framegrabber users

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janneg:

juski: no, the (mpeg2) decoder has only error resilience

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gardengnome:

juski: it's so awesome. i actually had so much fun in the first few days.

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janneg:

but it can't correct error

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juski:

janneg: duh yeah.. hence the occasional "fschhhhhh! blockyness!" glitch we occasionally see :)

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janneg:

yeah

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juski:

anyway without putting too fine a point on it, it's great to feel about 10 years younger :D

[18:31:35]

juski:

I'm gonna stfu up about this quitting stuff soon I promise

[18:32:44]

gardengnome:

juski: why? at least keep reminding the smokers ;)

[18:33:08]

juski:

some of it's just way too much information

[18:33:41]

directhex:

juski, it's good to see how happy it's making you

[18:34:25]

directhex:

juski, another couple of weeks and you'll be responding nicely to "whar can i torrent myth for winduz??" questions!

[18:35:12]

juski:

I'll be honest & say I've definitely had an anger problem the last few days. have to buy a new mouse tomorrow

[18:39:23]

** stuarta chuckles at juski **

[18:41:05]

juski:

yeah. I _know_ I have anger management issues normally, but this is something else ;)

[18:41:21]

** directhex goes "eep" @ fees associated with buying a house **

[18:41:26]

Dagmar:

I like to think of them as "asshole management" problems

[18:42:08]

juski:

directhex: I went "eep" @ fees associated with selling a house as they were announced the other day. oof!

[18:42:38]

juski:

not like I'm going anywhere anytime soon, but all the same. damn red tape for the sake of it

[18:43:07]

juski:

directhex: I'd be tempted to do my own conveyancing. all the bloody phoning around to chase solicitors you end up doing – you might as well anyway

[18:43:14]

stuarta:

thats this government for you. more red tape

[18:44:39]

directhex:

juski, i don't mind the conveyancing fees. and i know where the solicitor lives. it's things like stamp duty

[18:45:10]

juski:

I was lucky. my humble abode set me back _way_ less than the threshold for that

[18:47:17]

directhex:

house prices these days are a farce

[18:47:31]

xris:

directhex: not the word I'd use...

[18:48:20]

directhex:

xris, no? it's a great cosmic joke

[18:49:31]

ubuntuEdgy:

im try to get logos to show up on the tv OSD, im doing this all manually. i have placed then at /home/timo/Logos/Radio/1BBC.png

[18:50:02]

ubuntuEdgy:

but they dont show up, i have changed the OSD theme but still.

[18:50:02]

juski:

ubuntuEdgy: did you tell mythtv-setup where all the icons live?

[18:50:14]

juski:

some OSD themes don't show channel icons

[18:50:50]

ubuntuEdgy:

just yes . i stoped the backend and done it run "mythtv-setup"

[18:51:07]

juski:

ubuntuEdgy: you should see the wiki entries about the iconmap stuff – it's rather nifty

[18:51:26]

ubuntuEdgy:

i know, it work before.

[18:52:16]

directhex:

make sure you typed the path to the icons right

[18:52:23]

directhex:

i've made that mistake before ¬_¬

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ubuntuEdgy:

mabe it should not have spaces like "1Xtra BBC" should be "1XtraBBC"

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juski:

whoah! have we just been talking to somebody who listens to 1Xtra?1

[18:55:49]

ubuntuEdgy:

ohh well, ill keep trying.

[18:55:55]

juski:

I didn't think _anybody_ bothered with that station :)

[18:56:02]

ubuntuEdgy:

why

[18:56:14]

ubuntuEdgy:

best station every.

[18:56:14]

directhex:

juski, you're obviously not hip enough

[18:56:27]

directhex:

juski, not boppin' and jivin' with the hip cats these days

[18:56:35]

juski:

I dunno – just assumed it wasn't relevant to its target audience, especially considering how popular pirates still are these days ;)

[18:56:56]

directhex:

yarr!

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ubuntuEdgy:

ahh get over it will you

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ubuntuEdgy:

what you listen to juski

[18:58:03]

juski:

when I have a choice, generally XFM

[18:58:07]

ubuntuEdgy:

bbc news 24 ?

[18:58:16]

directhex:

classic fm!

[18:58:44]

ubuntuEdgy:

rubbish

[18:58:47]

juski:

love Annie Mac's mashup though :)

[18:58:57]

ubuntuEdgy:

try gallaxy 105.6 or 1extra

[18:59:04]

juski:

galaxy.. ffs

[18:59:11]

juski:

aka chav FM

[18:59:12]

juski:

:)

[18:59:31]

ubuntuEdgy:

radio, for you then

[18:59:35]

ubuntuEdgy:

:)

[18:59:55]

juski:

I used to warm up for galaxy 'DJs' in the club where I worked. oh man. we had more trouble on those nights than any other – with pilled up gurning idiots

[19:00:28]

juski:

it was really funny having to lend them vinyl when the cd players broke down too. and they couldn't mix

[19:00:29]

directhex:

gah

[19:00:40]

directhex:

HIRE FUCKING PROOF READERS YOU DVD-MAKING WHORES >_<

[19:00:46]

directhex:

sorry, sick of stupid errors

[19:00:55]

ubuntuEdgy:

lmaoo yet you still listen to shit.

[19:00:58]

juski:

so er.. no respect for galaxy 105/6 what so ever :)

[19:01:03]

juski:

ubuntuEdgy: in your opinion.

[19:01:30]

directhex:

2-inch "widescreen" logo on the front of the case, "4:3 full frame" on the back. n1 gg pld

[19:01:49]

juski:

directhex: letterboxed postbox? ;)

[19:01:59]

juski:

or is it postboxed letterbox?

[19:02:02]

directhex:

juski, don't make me square your circle

[19:02:20]

directhex:

or in this specific instance, send monkeys after you. twelve of them, infact

[19:02:26]

juski:

hahaha

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directhex:

could be worse

[19:03:06]

directhex:

i used to own warnerbos.co.uk

[19:03:18]

directhex:

it redirected to captain gaping anus

[19:03:27]

juski:

lol

[19:03:45]

directhex:

it was a lesson for the "can't type" brigade who make dvd sleeves for warner bros

[19:03:56]

** juski warmed up for Graeme Park once upon a time **

[19:04:01]

juski:

I wasn't worthy :)

[19:04:05]

directhex:

(check the back of the box for the last matrix film, if you happen to own it)

[19:04:24]

juski:

I walked out of the cinema, so I was hardly likely to buy it

[19:04:41]

gardengnome:

ubuntuEdgy: i don't listen to radio at all. actually, i'm listening to VROCK from GTA: vice city in the car all the tim,e

[19:05:05]

juski:

gardengnome: heh. is listening to GTA audio in the car really a good idea though? ;)

[19:05:17]

ubuntuEdgy:

one last try like this "/home/timo/Logos/Radio/1XtraBBC.png"

[19:05:17]

directhex:

you made me lol, juski :(

[19:05:37]

directhex:

ubuntuEdgy, check that file definitely exists with that exact capitalization!

[19:05:46]

juski:

ubuntuEdgy: ohyeah linux is CaSeSenSiTiv3 !

[19:05:58]

juski:

;)

[19:06:09]

zdzisekg:

anyone here using myth-phone plugin and would like to test a theme?

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gardengnome:

juski: dunno. any incidents would be covered by insurance, i assume. and it's probably the least violent music i've got in my car

[19:06:31]

juski:

mepo has a mobile phone? aww but he looks too young ;)

[19:06:59]

ubuntuEdgy:

well i copy and paste, how can i go wrong there

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directhex:

juski, kids these days get a mobile by the time they start school. society's going to hell etc etc etc

[19:07:39]

juski:

ubuntuEdgy: you know, there's a script that automagically downloads icons & puts them into the database for ya

[19:07:56]

directhex:

juski, now you tell me :(

[19:08:09]

juski:

it's been made obsolete by the iconmap stuff but I always found it easier to use

[19:08:22]

ubuntuEdgy:

yes but they look like, cr*P

[19:08:36]

juski:

eh?

[19:08:54]

juski:

the lyngsat ones are usually shit-hot

[19:09:15]

ubuntuEdgy:

want a screen shot of the ones i have ?

[19:09:26]

juski:

not especially

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juski:

afk...

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ubuntuEdgy:

yes or no

[19:10:28]

ubuntuEdgy:

take that as a yes

[19:10:50]

hume:

hi-- i try to set up myth on a ubuntu feisty machine, but when i run mythtv-setup, X crashes after the second screen – anyone can help?

[19:11:20]

directhex:

your machine sounds pretty broken

[19:13:41]

hume:

mine?

[19:14:04]

directhex:

evidently

[19:14:10]

hume:

say more

[19:14:23]

hume:

it's a brand new feisty installation

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directhex:

a fairly normal app crashing X is not normal behaviour

[19:14:39]

directhex:

what's your graphics card?

[19:15:04]

hume:

nvidia geforce 6600

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directhex:

nvidia-glx installed and working?

[19:15:47]

hume:

no other app has ever broken x on it....

[19:16:11]

ubuntuEdgy:

sceenshot http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/2392/52378668rg7.png

[19:16:19]

hume:

no, nvidia-glx not installed, according to dpkg

[19:16:30]

hume:

just nvidia-kernel-common

[19:16:47]

directhex:

so you're using the unaccelerated driver

[19:16:55]

hume:

seems like that, yes

[19:16:56]

directhex:

i'd suggest trying with nvidia-glx installed

[19:17:01]

hume:

ok

[19:17:13]

directhex:

system/administration/restricted devices manager

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directhex:

should have a tickbox

[19:17:19]

ubuntuEdgy:

what you think of them jusk

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ubuntuEdgy:

juski how do i get the ugly logos?

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oblib:

Is there any way to compress a recording, but keep the audio as it was recorded (ac3 or whatever)?

[19:30:18]

Dagmar:

yep

[19:31:20]

oblib:

using mythtranscode?

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S2:

yep

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oblib:

how?

[19:44:52]

isidoro:

is mythtv also for analog tv??

[19:45:01]

juski:

isidoro: yup

[19:45:19]

isidoro:

it make the scan but I can't see

[19:45:27]

isidoro:

kdetv yes

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juski:

I've never set up a tuner for analogue TV through an aerial, so I dunno how well analogue scanning works – if at all

[19:48:39]

stuarta:

me either.

[19:48:50]

directhex:

i did once

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directhex:

back in 2005

[19:49:21]

directhex:

but i have enough trouble remembering what i had for lunch, let alone multiple years ago

[19:49:42]

isidoro:

where are stored the mythtv configuration... I set some wrong with disply resolution i am on 640x480 now

[19:49:57]

juski:

isidoro: if you're trying to scan analogue channels on a PCHDTV5000 or similar card, you have to set up the analogue portion of the card in mythtv-setup somehow. I wish somebody would document that in the wiki

[19:50:23]

juski:

isidoro: in the database, with every other bit of config data

[19:50:41]

isidoro:

i mean my local settings

[19:50:53]

juski:

yes, in the database

[19:51:03]

isidoro:

do you know the dir?

[19:51:10]

juski:

no dir!

[19:51:13]

juski:

in the database!

[19:51:19]

opello:

ls!

[19:51:20]

opello:

oh :)

[19:51:29]

isidoro:

no files like .conf or something???

[19:51:47]

directhex:

isidoro, i hear rumbling s of some kind of "database"

[19:52:03]

isidoro:

HaSH: what card do you have??

[19:52:05]

juski:

if you've set mythtv to use a custom GUI size & you have changed your X resolution you can reset the settings with a simple command

[19:52:12]

HaSH:

isidoro, pvr-150

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juski:

HaSH: you need a file called lircrc in ~/.mythtv/

[19:52:31]

isidoro:

juski: yes how can i do that

[19:52:46]

juski:

isidoro: for mythfrontend you can do mythfrontend --reset

[19:52:51]

HaSH:

juski, oh ok. any idea whats in the file?

[19:52:58]

juski:

HaSH: plenty idea

[19:53:03]

HaSH:

lol

[19:53:07]

HaSH:

care to elaborate

[19:53:15]

juski:

lots of lines of text!

[19:53:28]

isidoro:

juski: :-) thank you

[19:53:33]

juski:

if you bother to search the wiki you'll probably find a howto for the pvr150 remote

[19:53:46]

HaSH:

isidoro, hehe....this is my 1st time ever using a tv card...so i wont be of much help.

[19:53:59]

HaSH:

juski, ok ill look again

[19:54:19]

isidoro:

Failed to open device

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isidoro:

juski: it says failed

[19:54:39]

juski:

isidoro: your backend is still running

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isidoro:

juski: how can i stop it

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directhex:

dear warner bros: LABEL WHICH DISC IS 1 AND WHICH IS 2!

[19:55:44]

juski:

see NOW I see the wisdom in Feisty's packages automatically stopping the backend. Now I see it!!

[19:56:09]

juski:

they truly are wise :)

[19:56:40]

isidoro:

juski: do you know the command to stop the server

[19:56:42]

juski:

isidoro: how you start & stop daemonised processes depends on your distro and how you've set mythtv up

[19:56:46]

directhex:

only on mythtv-setup

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juski:

directhex: yes, but it helps people who don't bother to read the onscreen messages mythtv-setup comes out with ;)

[19:57:29]

directhex:

juski, and call them "daemonic" processes

[19:57:42]

juski:

heh

[19:58:06]

juski:

isidoro: so, which distro are you?

[19:58:16]

isidoro:

feisty

[19:58:37]

isidoro:

ubuntu

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isidoro:

ubuntu feisty 7.04

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juski:

so mythtv-setup, when you run it, is somehow complaining that it now cannot access the tv tuner...

[19:59:27]

directhex:

beep beep beep

[19:59:36]

directhex:

feisty bug alert

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juski:

if you still have a tv application open, like tvtime, you should close it

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isidoro:

juski: yes but first I'll like to reset my screen resolution

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directhex:

cx88-dvb is not loaded automatically if required (dunno if twinhan cards use cx88)

[20:00:05]

directhex:

end of warning

[20:00:15]

isidoro:

my card use saa7134

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directhex:

well that narrows down the culprits

[20:00:58]

juski:

isidoro: try mythtv-setup --geometry 640x480

[20:01:05]

juski:

mythtv-setup --help would have shown you the way

[20:01:24]

juski:

I really enjoy seeing users make leaps of imagination – guess it's just not happening here

[20:01:47]

isidoro:

nop

[20:01:56]

juski:

just do me a favour & remember this stuff please

[20:02:19]

isidoro:

juski: are you a mythtv developer??

[20:02:35]

juski:

isidoro: now, you ARE doing all this mythtv-setup business as the mythtv user aren't you? or at least a member of the mythtv group...

[20:02:56]

juski:

isidoro: I make themes & play with tiny insignificant bits of code

[20:03:15]

isidoro:

I immagined

[20:03:35]

juski:

what does that mean?

[20:03:41]

juski:

do you want help or not?

[20:03:47]

isidoro:

yes

[20:04:24]

juski:

so you ran mythtv-setup --geometry 640x480 and what happened?

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isidoro:

I just see a screen

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** directhex coughs quietly **

[20:05:21]

isidoro:

but the resolution remain the same

[20:05:37]

juski:

oh you want to know how to change the desktop resolution?

[20:05:55]

isidoro:

wait now seems I can set some paramiters... wait :-)

[20:06:07]

directhex:

mythtv-setup.real

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juski:

see I thought you were saying you'd changed your screen res & somehow mythtv-setup was trying to use a bigger size or something mad like that

[20:06:38]

directhex:

mythtv-setup would be the ubuntu script to do things like shut down the back-end, and i don't knwo whether it forwards command line parameters to the real app

[20:06:41]

isidoro:

yes but the setting are not refered to screen resolution

[20:06:57]

juski:

this is what tends to happen when you don't give enough information right at the very start

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isidoro:

they are refered to card

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juski:

and only say stuff like "I see a screen"

[20:07:24]

isidoro:

juski: I am not english

[20:07:45]

isidoro:

juski: in my native language I am rapid and complete

[20:07:49]

juski:

give as much information as you possibly can. start at the beginning, say what you have done & what you have seen go wrong

[20:08:03]

juski:

do not miss anything out – it might be helpful :)

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isidoro:

juski: in mythtv frontend setting I made probably a wrong configuration for screen resoltuion

[20:08:51]

juski:

right. so you get it filling the screen but it doesn't all fit

[20:08:59]

isidoro:

My intention was do the setting not with mythtv in full screen

[20:09:25]

isidoro:

do the setting just whithin a window

[20:09:25]

juski:

mythfrontend --reset will reset the GUI size and the theme to the default settings

[20:09:49]

isidoro:

failed open device

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juski:

isidoro: failed to open what device?

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directhex:

juski, /dev/lirc0!

[20:10:48]

isidoro:

can i post it here

[20:10:51]

juski:

was it the 'failed to open device' 'could not connect to socket' .. 'help! could not connect to lirc (see preceding messages)

[20:11:02]

juski:

use a pastebin

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isidoro:

see the pastebin http://pastebin.ca/471242

[20:12:21]

juski:

that error is to do with X – mythtv will still work

[20:12:37]

juski:

I get that & mythtv works just fine

[20:12:47]

directhex:

too many /dev/wacom entries?

[20:12:59]

juski:

ubuntu do some weird stuff with their X permissions & crap apparently

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isidoro:

juski: I was just adjustion screen resolution in mythtv setting and when I runed the fronted the screen is been resided

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isidoro:

I closed the mythtv but the screen remained at low res

[20:14:06]

juski:

you were adjusting the screen resolution in mythtv's settings and when you ran the frontend the screen has been resized... ahhh

[20:14:18]

isidoro:

yes

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juski:

er.. that should not happen

[20:14:30]

isidoro:

I don't know

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juski:

there are not many times when mythtv can change the screen resolution, and if you did not set it to, it will not :)

[20:15:46]

isidoro:

More I seen that the mouse pointer is not shown in the windows settings

[20:16:02]

juski:

mythtv hides the mouse pointer by default

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isidoro:

Whwn you ran the frontend or the backend the windows is in full screen I wanted set a smoller windows

[20:17:06]

juski:

so you set a size smaller than the screen resolution in the GUI Size settings, and tell it to 'run mythfrontend in a window'

[20:17:29]

isidoro:

I immagined so

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juski:

you can do this:

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juski:

mythfrontend -w -geometry 640x480

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juski:

that will run mythfrontend in a window of 640x480

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isidoro:

it should be... but as my default screen is 640x480 I do not see the differbce

[20:19:44]

juski:

ah

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juski:

setting up mythtv in a window smaller than 640x480 might be tricky. can you not increase your desktop resolution?

[20:20:46]

isidoro:

ok wait I restart x

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juski:

feels like I'm at the dentist

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juski:

I should go buy some ribeye & red wine now

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isidoro:

here back

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isidoro:

yes the w geometry make the 640x480

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isidoro:

hey with berly the setting gui not work

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isidoro:

and is not a nice feature to disable by default the ,ouse pointer

[20:28:18]

isidoro:

or better with berly I can't move the window

[20:29:09]

isidoro:

humm is all that normal

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isidoro:

??

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directhex:

erm, myth isn't a mouse-driven application

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directhex:

it's a sit-on-the-sofa-and-use-a-remote application

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isidoro:

ok but you need a pc to do that or not?

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directhex:

how are you defining "pc"? toshiba's early hd-dvd player is a pentium 4 running linux. tivo's a linux machine running a mips chip i think

[20:30:56]

isidoro:

I saw some media centers with pointers hide only in full screen after some seconds

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isidoro:

and if you don't like full screen you can have all in a normal windows

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isidoro:

what's bad on that?

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isidoro:

I define a PC like my P4 ubuntu

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isidoro:

the best distro I have knokn

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directhex:

a mouse-centric and keyboard-centric user interface are not the same thing

[20:32:57]

directhex:

if you want something spartan and mousey, use the web interface

[20:33:21]

isidoro:

well I am not a philosofy or purist of software I am just a user

[20:33:41]

overpointe:

How many of you are running mythtv on an HP Pavillion?

[20:34:39]

isidoro:

no less no more

[20:35:42]

overpointe:

The only reason I asked that question, is because, I don't see anywhere I can put a sensor for the remote control.

[20:36:22]

isidoro:

I don't know HP Pavillon

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directhex:

you're still making it extremely difficult to work out what it is you're having problems with

[20:36:36]

directhex:

overpointe, get a drill. or just trail a cable somewhere

[20:37:06]

isidoro:

directhex: are y say that to me?

[20:38:13]

nasa:

Hi, I am having some issues creating schedules. In mythweb, I can see a whole list of programs under Recording Schedules (Manual, Custom) — but there is nothing listed in upcoming schedules. If I try and add a new program to the schedule it goes as expected, but nothing shows up in upcoming schedules and nothing is recorded. What should I be looking for? BTW: I am using svn and I have "deleted all" on both channels and grab

[20:38:13]

nasa:

bers

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directhex:

isidoro, because it's not clear what your problem is. you said you were having tv card problems, yet the warning you pasted relates to extraneous input devices. you complain about the display resolution, eyt don't actually say how you want things to look

[20:38:48]

directhex:

isidoro, steps to resolve a problem: 1) state desired outcome 2) state steps taken 3) state expected outcome 4) state actual outcome

[20:39:21]

isidoro:

Ok I was trying to set up my Twihnan card with mythtv backend

[20:39:29]

overpointe:

So, what video capture card/remote control is everyone using here?

[20:40:22]

isidoro:

When I saw that mythtv give you the possibility to set-up only in a full screen and with no pointer mouse capabilities

[20:40:51]

isidoro:

As I didne't like that... I was tryng to set up a lower screen resolution

[20:41:16]

directhex:

overpointe, a apir of dvb-t cards, and i haven't started working on a remote driver yet

[20:41:37]

isidoro:

but that setting influed to my desktop screen resolution... and I was not more in position to restore at the origin

[20:41:51]

GreyFoxx:

overpointe: Pvr250's, and a Avermedia A180. Then a few different remotes and a 1couple keyboards depending on the frontend

[20:41:52]

isidoro:

thats all!

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directhex:

isidoro, where EXACTLY did you change "that setting"?

[20:42:48]

isidoro:

wait

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overpointe:

So, can you use your remote from your cable company, GreyFoxx?

[20:44:24]

directhex:

overpointe, one can in general

[20:44:35]

tzanger:

one rogue entry into 2011

[20:44:45]

directhex:

overpointe, lirc comes with a lot of lirc.conf files for assorted remotes

[20:45:07]

directhex:

tzanger, aha, i think i have that too

[20:45:12]

tzanger:

directhex: easy

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tzanger:

select starttime,endtime,title from program order by starttime desc limit 10;

[20:45:35]

tzanger:

that gives you the 10 guide entries farthest in the future

[20:45:44]

tzanger:

then just

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tzanger:

delete from program where starttime='2011-10–10 03:19:10';

[20:45:47]

tzanger:

(in my case)

[20:45:53]

tzanger:

or you could do something like

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tzanger:

delete from program where starttime > '2007-12–31 00:00:00' or something if you have a ton of bogus ones

[20:46:20]

tzanger:

even end of the year data is too far but you get the idea

[20:46:30]

isidoro:

it was separate video modes for gui and tv play

[20:46:33]

overpointe:

That's a good thing, as all I want to do is change channels and record. I did look at some screenshots where one could play games though. How would that work, with joysticks?

[20:46:45]

directhex:

tzanger, looks like i have five or six bogus ones

[20:47:05]

tzanger:

ok well you see what you have to do :-)

[20:47:09]

directhex:

overpointe, generally

[20:47:26]

tzanger:

I want to get mythgame working with the old n64 and snes emulators

[20:47:30]

tzanger:

just haven't gotten that far yet

[20:47:32]

overpointe:

That's great, directhex!

[20:47:45]

tzanger:

want to get four wireless ps2 gamepads

[20:47:58]

overpointe:

So, is anyone working on installing mythtv on USB drives? I think that would be HOT!

[20:48:03]

directhex:

overpointe, technically you could play them with a remote, but... wel... ever heard of the philips CDi?

[20:48:17]

hugolp:

no

[20:48:34]

overpointe:

I haven't heard of it, but I'm looking it up now, directhex.

[20:48:36]

GreyFoxx:

overpointe: I did that a few years ago. A couple of my frontends booted off a usb stick

[20:48:53]

overpointe:

How did it work, GreyFoxx?

[20:48:54]

directhex:

imagine playing zelda with http://www.retro-trader.com/images/june2003/DVC02205.JPG

[20:48:54]

gbee:

overpointe: there are Live-CDs so you could just copy one of those onto a USB drive and away you go

[20:48:56]

GreyFoxx:

I most did it as a "to see if I could" type thing, and haven't bothered to keep it yp

[20:48:57]

tzanger:

GreyFoxx: I'm using minimyth with nfsroot at this point

[20:49:23]

GreyFoxx:

overpointe: Perfectly fine. It's not something really noticable to the user :)

[20:49:36]

isidoro:

directhex: it was separate video modes for gui and tv play

[20:49:52]

GreyFoxx:

Before that, and every since my frontends just netboot.

[20:50:15]

directhex:

isidoro, right. i see. and now the entire desktop is running at a low resolution?

[20:50:22]

isidoro:

yes

[20:50:33]

tzanger:

I want to try that hauppauge mvp thing as a frontend

[20:50:49]

tzanger:

wonder how well it works for basic watch tv, schedule and watch recordings type things

[20:50:54]

GreyFoxx:

tzanger: The TVout on them is pretty good

[20:50:59]

GreyFoxx:

I have one sittingon a shelf :)

[20:51:02]

directhex:

isidoro, hold the Ctrl and Alt keys, and tap the – key on the numpad

[20:51:08]

overpointe:

I have a tv card in this computer I'm one now. So would it suffice to say if knoppix could see and run my card, than mythtv can too?

[20:51:13]

GreyFoxx:

I only used it for playback though, never any scheduling

[20:51:23]

tzanger:

GreyFoxx: yeah? good... it'd be for a tiny little tv (10"?) or something...

[20:51:27]

tzanger:

looking at the wireless one for my mom

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directhex:

overpointe, myth supports what linux supports

[20:51:39]

tzanger:

she has a little tv on a cart she wheels between a few rooms

[20:51:41]

overpointe:

Linux RULES!

[20:51:56]

GreyFoxx:

I haven't used my mvp in along time so I'm selling it to an excoworker who already has acouple doing playback and wants a spare

[20:52:34]

tzanger:

GreyFoxx: ah. but you were reasonably happy with it as a light frontend?

[20:52:38]

** jams also hasn't used the mvp in a long time **

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tzanger:

anything glaringly obvious I should be aware of?

[20:53:01]

GreyFoxx:

tzanger: For pure recording playback and deletion it worked fine

[20:53:02]

tzanger:

the key word for my mom is simple

[20:53:04]

directhex:

tzanger, yes. don't eat yellow snow

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tzanger:

GreyFoxx: ok. I'm pretty much sold. :-)

[20:54:10]

jams:

isn't the mvp a discontinued product?

[20:54:35]

directhex:

jams, all the best products are

[20:54:40]

** directhex rubs his gigabeat **

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GreyFoxx:

IS it? I know they came out with a wireless version, but haven't monitored it after I stopped using mine

[20:56:18]

tzanger:

now to try and find one in canada

[20:56:18]

jams:

thought I read that somewhere, don't really know for sure though

[20:56:32]

frink_:

has anybody used one of those USB IR receivers that looks like a keyboard (in that remote presses appear as keystrokes) ?

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jcl:

hello

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GreyFoxx:

frink_: I use one like that

[20:57:09]

frink_:

GreyFoxx: Does it use lirc ?

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tzanger:

nope not discontinued

[20:57:12]

tzanger:

CAD$112 from NCIX

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tzanger:

for wired

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GreyFoxx:

Not this one

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GreyFoxx:

well, I could use lirc since lirc does have a driver for it

[20:57:25]

jcl:

i have a question i didn't find an answer, neither in the manual nor on google

[20:57:30]

tzanger:

frink_: I have a couple of those from my Twinhan cards, but I lost the fucking remotes

[20:57:35]

jcl:

i watch tv using a tv tuner and mythtv

[20:57:36]

GreyFoxx:

but instead I use a customised ati_Remote kernel driver

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, customized how? just to change the keymap?

[20:58:02]

jcl:

now many movies get broadcasted with two audio streams

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frink_:

ahh ok. I have a sony usb receiver..

[20:58:13]

jcl:

german on the right channel, english on the left

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GreyFoxx:

directhex: I had to hack the driver to support this remote

[20:58:33]

jcl:

now, mythtv by default streams both channels at the same time

[20:58:52]

GreyFoxx:

I used the ati_remote as the ati remote wonders were based on the same reference design so I didn't have to modify a ton of stuff

[20:58:56]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, you don't feel like writing me a remote driver while you're at it then do you? ;)

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jcl:

which, according to the manual switches audio channels

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jcl:

any ideas?

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GreyFoxx:

directhex: Heh

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tzanger:

and 172 for the wireless one

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, i'm still surprised that nobody's written one yet

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HaSH:

i have sound. but only way i can control the sound is with the volume knob on my speaker

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GreyFoxx:

HaSH: I got mine knowing there was no support

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GreyFoxx:

oops that was for directhex

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GreyFoxx:

but that was years ago

[21:01:37]

S2:

HaSH, you could use a long stick instead of the remote :)

[21:02:01]

S2:

(i am so funny tonight)

[21:02:05]

HaSH:

lol

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, i know i should write my own, but i rarely have the time to tinker, and i have zero experience in the required arts

[21:02:11]

hugolp:

S2: XDDD

[21:02:18]

frink_:

i would like to use my nova-t 500 remote but it still lacks driving equipment :(

[21:02:21]

directhex:

HaSH, are you using AC3 passthrough?

[21:02:27]

HaSH:

everything else seems to work...menu buttons channel buttons..all but the volume

[21:02:30]

oblib:

Is there any way to compress the video of a recording, but keep the audio as it was recorded (ac3 or whatever) using mythtranscode?

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directhex:

oblib, yes

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oblib:

directhex, I only see MP3 and uncompressed as options

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hound:

Does anyone know how to use mplayer, or any media player to demultiplex a stream dumped from my qam tuner into a file?

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isidoro:

hey tvtime show me composite with beryl

[21:08:37]

isidoro:

mythtv can do that?

[21:09:27]

frink_:

whats composite?

[21:09:28]

directhex:

composite and aiglx are different extensions

[21:09:32]

oblib:

hound, you'll have to be more specific — you want to separate audio and video, or what?

[21:09:36]

isidoro:

external video source

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S2:

hound, http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=mplayer+demux

[21:09:54]

S2:

(google is evil)

[21:09:59]

directhex:

hang on, THAt kind of composite? what does it have to do with a discontinued window manager?

[21:10:18]

frink_:

directhex: thats what I wondered

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hound:

I guess both. The QAM signal has multiple channels in it, I want to single one out when I have a file with them all muxed together.

[21:11:12]

isidoro:

if i minimise tvtime and than i point the mouse on the low banner I see the movie in a little bar as vista does

[21:11:36]

frink_:

very pretty but why would myth want to d that

[21:11:38]

frink_:

?

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isidoro:

but dou to problems with my card I can't hera audio :-(

[21:12:01]

directhex:

the answer is "probably, depends on your graphics card drivers and what painter myth is configured to use"

[21:12:57]

isidoro:

hey also the transparency plug in works with tvtime windows

[21:13:06]

Dagmar:

Good for them.

[21:13:25]

directhex:

you're asking questions related to X and video drivers that have nothing to do with myth

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isidoro:

sorry guys

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directhex:

does myth support the composite extension to do window transparency? no. but some xorg drivers do, meaning applications on those systems do (including myth, ut2004, or whatever)

[21:14:30]

directhex:

does myth support beryl? no. it doesn't support twm, metacity, ratpoison of kwin either. it's an app. the window manager just draws it as it sees fit

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directhex:

the better question is "does beryl support myth", and the answer again depends on graphics drivers

[21:15:08]

directhex:

and how buggy beryl is this week

[21:15:14]

Dagmar:

Truth

[21:15:33]

Dagmar:

It's not an application's job to "support" a window manager

[21:15:43]

hound:

I use bery lon my laptop and have to turn it off when I start the myth frontend

[21:15:46]

directhex:

Dagmar, except for beryl-settings-manager

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Dagmar:

...and it doens't make a lot of sense for a full-screen kiosk-centric application to even worry about it.

[21:15:50]

hound:

Doesn't do full screen properly

[21:15:55]

oblib:

directhex, can you tell me how to preserve the audio?

[21:15:59]

directhex:

hound, that's a beryl bug

[21:16:16]

hound:

yup

[21:16:17]

directhex:

oblib, it always seems to have done so automatically for me, judging by my transcode logs

[21:16:57]

directhex:

isidoro, composite only carries a video signal. how is audio physically getting into your machine from a composite source?

[21:17:10]

directhex:

hound, and not an unexpected one. try switching to the qt painter

[21:17:14]

oblib:

directhex, are you using a profile, or do you have a custom job? If a profile, what do you have in the audio settings?

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directhex:

mmm, hang on, i'm getting mythtranscode and mytharchive confused. sorry

[21:17:54]

alibi:

Hi

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isidoro:

directhex: yes from the same imput

[21:19:20]

isidoro:

directhex: it has a special cable where I can connect audio + video

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directhex:

isidoro, composite (yellow cable) carries ONLY video. audio comes through white and red cables. where are those plugged in?

[21:19:54]

alibi:

I need help on lirc. I have an iMon IR receiver in my HTPC case. With irrecord, I can set up a remote, but it only recognized keypressed ~15% of time. When I look at mode2, I see that codes are "shifting"- while I think this has eomthing to do with toggle bit, these are not being set no matter which remote I use. Any ideas / suggestions?

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isidoro:

in the white and red cables provided by my Twinhan card

[21:20:28]

alibi:

I would really, really appreciate thoughts on this. I'm desperate!

[21:20:58]

oblib:

alibi, the only idea I have would be to check with lirc people

[21:21:24]

isidoro:

alibi: you likly fortune I am still not be able to get a correct video & audio play

[21:21:33]

directhex:

isidoro, twinhan VP-30540?

[21:22:11]

isidoro:

directhex: nop the only way that I have to made work that card is sudo modprobe saa7134 card=109

[21:22:57]

directhex:

isidoro, which is odd, since the linuxtv wiki shows no pci dvb-t cards by twinhan with a philips chip

[21:23:12]

jcl:

ah, found the solution

[21:23:15]

jcl:

mute does it

[21:23:26]

jcl:

thx

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isidoro:

My card use saa7131E + TDA 10046A

[21:24:32]

isidoro:

I am sure of that cips I saw it with my eays

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directhex:

which is listed as an "Asus P7131 Hybrid PCI DVB-T+analog"

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isidoro:

directhex: you mean card=109??

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directhex:

http://www.bttv-gallery.de/HPIM2609.JPG_asus_tiger_302_a.jpg& nbsp;?

[21:26:31]

isidoro:

yes different colors but it looks like my card

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isidoro:

yes I did

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isidoro:

tda1004x: found firmware revision 29 — ok

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isidoro:

but the dab news are: tda827x_probe_version: could not read from tuner at addr: 0xc2

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isidoro:

and saa7133[0]/dvb: could not access tda8290 I2C gate

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directhex:

isidoro, have you managed to get audio via the analog input in any other apps like tvtime?

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isidoro:

If I can get a working compise source with audio is OK... My goal is just convert my VHS to DVD with my prefered ubuntu distro linux

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isidoro:

directhex: I diden't try... I have a sound system 5.1 that I use with M$

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directhex:

isidoro, mythtv isn't really designed for that task

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isidoro:

I was trying with mythtv time to do my goal

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isidoro:

directhex: to solve the problems some guys in linuxtv irc suggest me to write in the mail list...

[21:33:08]

isidoro:

but in the past I made something like that and effectivley the bust where been resolved... but after at least one year

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directhex:

isidoro, they're probably correct. it doesn't look like your card is technically supported (since it's not listed in the wiki). they're also most likely to be able to tell you how to get audio from the composite input

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isidoro:

mailing list not for linuxtv for other issue about kodak photo

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Dagmar:

isidoro: You're trying to encode VHS tables with a DVB card?

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directhex:

isidoro, in this specific instance, it sounds like you have a linux problem (well linuxtv). myth can only work with what it's given

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directhex:

Dagmar, it's a d+a card

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hume:

hi... running my setup on ubuntu feisty, in sweden, but i cannot seem to find any channels

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directhex:

Dagmar, i'm hazy over how the audio capture is meant to work

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hume:

any ideas on what to do?

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directhex:

hume, check behind the sofa

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hume:

??

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isidoro:

directhex: I'll like to give my time and patience to set up a wiki in order to make this supported by linux but I am not a developer I am able to write codes... I can perform test and bugs If I am guide

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hume:

cable is connected, if that is what you mean

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wulffeld:

Hi, is it possible somehow to have the video manager auto update? For example via cron every night?

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Dagmar:

It just strikes me as the hard way to go about it, but since that card isn't properly supported, it gets upgraded to "impossible"

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isidoro:

I am not able to write codes... sorry english

[21:37:14]

hume:

directhex, got any ideas?

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isidoro:

:-)

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hume:

hauppauge wintv hvr-1300, cable is coax, using analog tv

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isidoro:

directhex: ok I follow your suggest... I will write to the mail list hoping to solve not in one or two years

[21:39:59]

isidoro:

but in a few mounts

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isidoro:

:-)

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wulffeld:

Anyone? Do you all update your collection manually?

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frink_:

what collection?

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isidoro:

ok guys is been a pleasure... I go now... hope to see you again ;)

[21:41:36]

wulffeld:

Video collection.. the media db.

[21:41:56]

frink_:

mine is a directory on a server...

[21:42:03]

wulffeld:

So is mine.

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frink_:

other people update it for me :)

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wulffeld:

Don't you need to go into Video manager to update MythTV?

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frink_:

well thats odd

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frink_:

i didnt used to but it seems that recently you need to do somethign to ake videos appear...

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frink_:

anybody know what happened? I used to be able to browse through a load of files/directories

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wulffeld:

I've always needed to go there, now I'm sick of doing it :)

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directhex:

you can either make it behave like a directory browser, or a database browser

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directhex:

i forget where the setting lives

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wulffeld:

Oh yeah?

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frink_:

directhex: please remember :)

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wulffeld:

I've been googling for hours on this.

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Dagmar:

Hmm... IOv'e always gone into the video setup to make it rescan the directories where I told it the videos live

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frink_:

Dagmar: what a pain...it used to just be a pretty normal filesstem browser

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gbee:

frink_: I don't use mythvideo, but isn't there an option (mode) to still use it as a filesystem browser?

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gbee:

it really only needs to scan and thus use the database when you want additional features, like metadata associated with videos etc

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wulffeld:

Video List Browses Files.

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wulffeld:

Awesome. Thanks.

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directhex:

i like metadata! metadata is sexy!

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directhex:

wulffeld, that's the setting i half-remembered

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Dagmar:

Me likey metadata

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wulffeld:

frink_: In Media Settings

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wulffeld:

directhex: Yeah, dont know why I haven't seen that before.

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hume:

anyone got ideas on how to find channels, when none are found upon scanning? i can recieve tv through same cable with another computer...

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stuarta:

directhex: how's the backend holding up?

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directhex:

stuarta, mostly okay. it's not happy about letting me delete some of the dodgy poor-reception recordings from within mythweb, but it'll probably be fine from frontend

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stuarta:

as long as it's not crashing i'll be happy.

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squish103:

kdvb-fe < any1 know what to do about that?

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directhex:

it's a kernel process. ignore it

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directhex:

mythtv 7013 1 0 May03 ? 00:00:03 [kdvb-fe-1]

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directhex:

mythtv 7618 1 0 00:08 ? 00:00:00 [kdvb-fe-0]

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squish103:

it is my highest process taking about 10% continually, and with computer idle it has a load of 1.20

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stuarta:

ho hum. damn the server rotations causing netsplits

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S2:

[23:54] [wallops] Good day all. the first server i'm going to restart has about 4200 users on it. i'll do it in about 5 minutes or less

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** stuarta gets wallops too :-P **

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S2:

oh. ok.

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stuarta:

been doing irc for many a year.

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S2:

from your sentence i tought you where not sure about the cause of the netsplit

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S2:

so i pasted it for you

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stuarta:

np

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S2:

i just wanted to be polite

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S2:

now you made me cry.

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stuarta:

:-(

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S2:

:)

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nasa:

Hi, I am having some issues creating schedules. In mythweb, I can see a whole list of programs under Recording Schedules (Manual, Custom) — but there is nothing listed in upcoming schedules. If I try and add a new program to the schedule it goes as expected, but nothing shows up in upcoming schedules and nothing is recorded. What should I be looking for? BTW: I am using svn and I have "deleted all" on both channels and grab

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nasa:

bers

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imperfect-:

Hey.

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Fnc:

i saw this.. "I have found to get the native resolution for my monitor is to have it probed by nvidia"

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Fnc:

was wondering if anyone knew how to do that?

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Dagmar:

Sure, let me bang this hammer against my head so I can understand it

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hads:

nvidia cards do that anyway

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Daviey:

Fnc, google your model of monitor – add the word native in the search – that should tell you

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Fnc:

i got the pdf.. is that all it tells you?

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Fnc:

is the 1366x768

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overpointe:

xawtv -hwscan gives me: name : BT878 video (ATI TV-Wonder VE) but I don't know how to set it up to where I can see channels. I'm using Charter for cable. can anyone help me out?

[23:04:41]

overpointe:

I wanted to see if my tv card will even work, before I pursue mythtv.

[23:09:05]

Krazylegz:

I just setup my Harmony 880 for the cable box, television and stereo. That was impressive.

[23:09:16]

Krazylegz:

Should be fun setting it up for the Mythbox.

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Daviey:

overpointe, what distro?

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overpointe:

I'm on knoppix now, Daviey.

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Daviey:

overpointe, try xawtv

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overpointe:

That's what I'm doing, Daviey, but I dont' know how to set it up.

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kash:

hi guys

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overpointe:

I don't know how to configure xawtv for the United States cable TV.

[23:17:47]

overpointe:

I thought it would automatically find channels.

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Daviey:

if you think it's correct, why not just jump in and try myth?

[23:19:29]

overpointe:

I don't want any frustrations wtih hardware in the future, Daviey. My pockets are a little thin.

[23:19:49]

Daviey:

but anyway – xawtv -hwscan <- should list the device, does it?

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overpointe:

Yes, it does.

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overpointe:

This is xawtv-3.95.dfsg.1, running on Linux/i686 (2.6.19)

[23:21:14]

overpointe:

looking for available devices

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overpointe:

port 73–73

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overpointe:

type : Xvideo, image scaler

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overpointe:

name : Intel(R) Video Overlay

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overpointe:

/dev/video0: OK [ -device /dev/video0 ]

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overpointe:

type : v4l2

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overpointe:

name : BT878 video (ATI TV-Wonder VE)

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overpointe:

flags: overlay capture tuner

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overpointe:

I didn't mean to print all of that, but now you see what I have.

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Daviey:

xawtv-remote is quite a nice wrapper for controlling it

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Daviey:

but 'scantv', probably bundled with the package xawtv is what you want to scan

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overpointe:

I mean, in the US, do we use PAL, SECAM, NTSEC, etc?

[23:25:28]

overpointe:

NTSC

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Daviey:

dunno, but i guess NTSC

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** Daviey isn't in the US **

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Zider:

I think the US uses NTSC mostly

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Zider:

overpointe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NTSC-PAL-SECAM.svg

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Daviey:

PAL ftw

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squish103:

directhex your kdvb-fe runs at 0% cpu. mine is at 10% all the time

[23:30:55]

squish103:

but is there still a split when talking about HD tv?

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squish103:

or has the world become one?

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overpointe:

I set it to NTSC, but I get this at the end anyway,.

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overpointe:

vbi: open failed [/dev/vbi]

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overpointe:

open /dev/vbi: No such file or directory

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[-clever-]`ca:

how would i get pip over 2 recordings?

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kash:

hm

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kash:

when i start mythfrontend, all i see is black

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kash:

it says pre-scaling then goes black :/

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hads:

Watch the terminal you run it from. ANy hints?

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kash:

nope

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hads:

run it with -v all then

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kash:

nothing

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hads:

I don't believe you

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kash:

would you like a pastebin?

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hads:

Sure.

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hads:

Sorry that sounded nasty :)

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kash:

here's everything from stderr

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kash:

Failed to find network interface eth0

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kash:

/usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythdvd.so: undefined symbol: _ZN18ConfigurationGroup6byNameE7QString

[23:57:35]

kash:

/usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythmusic.so: undefined symbol: _ZN18ConfigurationGroup6byNameE7QString

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hads:

Don't paste here

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kash:

none of which affect mythfrontend this much

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kash:

:/

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kash:

oh

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Daviey:

hads, kash – your nicks are too similar! makes it near impossible to follow.;)

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hads:

heh

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kash:

how are they similar

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kash:

heh

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[R]:

Daviey: xchat makes them 2 different colors

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[R]:

kash: well if your plugins are screwed up... and the frontend uses them...

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