Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, April 29th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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baxter_kylie:

hugolp: My reception is impeccable. It's not that. It refuses to view any of my cable channels.

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hugolp:

dont know then

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juski:

baxter_kylie: to use analogue channels on a pchdtv card you need to set up the analogue side of the card as another tuner card in mythtv-setup.. a 'V4L analog tuner'

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baxter_kylie:

juski: I was under the impression I was supposed to use the 'analog option' dialog of the DVB tuner?

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juski:

oh yeah that

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baxter_kylie:

juski: Then I have. And it doesn't work.

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juski:

well til somebody documents how it's sposed to be done, you're screwed

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juski:

if I were you I'd not cry about it though.. I mean.. software encoding SDTV.. BLECH!

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baxter_kylie:

juski: Well let's see... I have 10 hdtv channels and 60 SDTV channels...

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baxter_kylie:

juski: Uh. No. I think I'll take the SDTV

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juski:

then if I were you I'd buy a proper sdtv tuner

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juski:

a) software encoding sucks

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juski:

b) it's gonna suck even more when you compare it to OTA HD

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baxter_kylie:

juski: I don't have physical space in the system for two additional tuners.

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juski:

ah well, good luck with that

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baxter_kylie:

juski: Most mb's these days only have 2–3 pci slots.

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juski:

pays to buy the right motherboard, as ever

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hugolp:

what do you need pci slots for? fill them with turners

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juski:

I mean for me, all that dual-link quad-turbo-pump SLI bullshit would just be a waste of slots anyway

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Tanthrix:

But then you can't get 10,000 frames per second in Q3!

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baxter_kylie:

juski: Well... when you find me an am2 board with 5 pci slots and dual gig-e

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juski:

you don't need gig-e for mythtv, certainly not dual

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juski:

and the great thing about mythtv is its ability to split the recording end from the playback end :)

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Gurft:

Okay, who's the 'expect' master in here ;)

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juski:

you can't fit many pci tuners in a mac mini but plenty peeps use them for mythtv :)

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baxter_kylie:

juski: Who said the machine is /only/ a mythtv machine?

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juski:

baxter_kylie: maybe time to rethink your priorities then

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juski:

anyway.. instead of scanning for analogue channels shouldn't you be adding them via zap2it or something?

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juski:

doesn't _that_ sort out all the frequency details for you?

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baxter_kylie:

juski: Doesn't matter how I add them. The channels don't lock / tune. All i get is snow or occasionally it crashes myth and locks the card in a way that only a reboot can fix.

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baxter_kylie:

(or a nasty rm-mod scheme that I'm too lazy to mess with)

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juski:

baxter_kylie: well, did you test the analogue portion of the card outside myth to make sure it was working first?

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baxter_kylie:

juski: Yes.

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juski:

and?

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juski:

oh and the frequency table you selected in mythtv-setup was right wasn't it?

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baxter_kylie:

juski: I have /no idea/ what my frequency table is or how I'd find out.

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baxter_kylie:

juski: but I tried them all to no luck.

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juski:

baxter_kylie: well, for cable, you pick US-cable or something

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juski:

if you're using an antenna, you pick US-bcast

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AlienX:

is there a reason myth backend wouldn't be talking to mythfronted? I have my user setup in the database and my user account is in the same group as the mythtv user.

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juski:

and if you want one table for the HD side of the card & another for the analogue side – I dunno if myth will let you do that

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AlienX:

also, when i run mythtv-setup, at the end it tells me it can't write to /home/mythtv/.test

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juski:

AlienX: any number of reasons. you've got some more info to dish out if you want help here

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purserj:

AlienX: are you logged into the machine as mythtv?

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hugolp:

AlienX: then probably mythbackend is not running

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hugolp:

thats why your front end cant find it

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baxter_kylie:

juski: I'm using one of the cable tables.

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hugolp:

you shold clear all errors in mythbackend so it can run fine

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AlienX:

purserj, yeah, i am

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AlienX:

hugolp, no, it's running afaik

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juski:

AlienX: you're on ubuntu aren't you?

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AlienX:

juski, yeah, just upgraded to feisty today

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juski:

I ask you.. how the HELL did I guess that so fast?!

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AlienX:

lol

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hugolp:

AlienX: try #ubuntu-mythtv

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AlienX:

i guess that's a common issue? :)

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juski:

AlienX: you know the little popup messages you saw when you installed mythtv?

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AlienX:

juski, yup

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juski:

did you actually _read_ any & make notes or did you just dismiss em?

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juski:

AlienX: I'm gonna ask a bunch of quickfire questions,, k?

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AlienX:

juski, yeah, i did read them...all of them

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juski:

AlienX: have you run mythtv-setup yet?

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AlienX:

juski, yes

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juski:

no errors there?

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AlienX:

juski, nope, at least not until I tried to exit and it told me that /home/mythtv/.test isn't writable

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juski:

and you're running that as 'mythtv' yeah?

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juski:

and the 'mythtv' user IS a member of the 'mythtv' group, correct?

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AlienX:

juski, hmm, actually no. one sec

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juski:

see that error you're getting.. it's gonna cause mythbackend problems. if it can't write to the dir where it's gonna store recordings, it's gonna barf

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juski:

you know the question I asked about reading all the popups? see I installed myth on feisty today & I've seen a popup ask at least once if I wanted to add my user to the 'mythtv' group

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AlienX:

juski, ok, now the user mythtv is a member of the group /home/mythtv/

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AlienX:

juski, yeah, and i selected "yes" which had me log out of my account

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juski:

user mythtv should be a member of mythtv

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juski:

not /home/mythtv

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AlienX:

juski, yeah, that's what i meant...sorry

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juski:

AlienX: ok, so now check ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt & compare it to /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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AlienX:

juski, there is no mysql.txt in ~/.mythtv

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juski:

humour me

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juski:

copy /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt to ~/.mythtv/

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AlienX:

steve@ganymede:~$ ls /home/steve/.mythtv/

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AlienX:

channels MythPhone themecache

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AlienX:

juski, ok done

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juski:

now try running mythbackend from a terminal.. it shouldn't report any errors & stop but if it does stop, pop all the text after you typing 'mythbackend' into a pastebin

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AlienX:

juski, can i do that as a user or do i have to be root

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AlienX:

juski, http://pastebin.ca/463550

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juski:

oh gawd not that old chestnut

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juski:

anyway

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juski:

from a terminal try this:

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juski:

mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg

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juski:

enter the password you see in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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AlienX:

ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)

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juski:

so you've not got mysql server installed then

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juski:

what I recommend you do now is go & read the ubuntu community docs & start over

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AlienX:

mysql-server 5.0.38–0ubuntu1 mysql database server (meta package dependin

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AlienX:

juski, i did, which is why i'm asking in here

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juski:

so mysql server isn't running

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juski:

is mysql running?

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juski:

I'd point you to #ubuntu-mythtv but that ain't the busiest channel on freenode

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AlienX:

juski, i just restarted the server so lets see

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hugolp:

juski majoridiot was there a while ago

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hugolp:

he knows some tricks

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AlienX:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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AlienX:

after running mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg

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juski:

AlienX: did you use the password you got from /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt ?

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AlienX:

yes

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AlienX:

juski, ^

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AlienX:

ah ha!

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AlienX:

ok, what commend do I run at the mysql prompt?

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juski:

show tables;

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juski:

with the semicolon

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AlienX:

ok, you want me to put that in a pastebin?

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juski:

nah it's ok

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AlienX:

what am I looking for there?

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juski:

so the database exists & you can access it.. that's what you've just established

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AlienX:

ok

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AlienX:

now what?

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juski:

so now, run mythtv-setup

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juski:

tell me the first screen you see

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AlienX:

first thing prompts me to stop the backend

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neo_hd:

hi all

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AlienX:

juski, so i select yes, then it shows me the 5 options

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juski:

AlienX: ok... say yes to that

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juski:

great.. that means mythtv-setup can access the database.. all ok so far

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juski:

now check the stuff you set up earlier is more or less all there

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neo_hd:

how i can cancel automatic record program when i select a channel for watch??

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juski:

neo_hd: you can't. mythtv is a pvr & it records everything

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neo_hd:

in hdtv full hard drive lol

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juski:

neo_hd: if the recording ends up less than 2 minutes long it gets deleted right away. if longer than that but you don't tell myth to keep it, it'll stay around for 24 hours

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juski:

or it'll be expired when the hdd starts to reach a threshold you set – whichever happens first

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AlienX:

juski, yeah, it looks like it. Still tells me that /home/mythtv/.test isn't writable though

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juski:

the default free space myth will keep is 1GB

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juski:

AlienX: but you're logged in as the mythtv user

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juski:

AlienX: did you use sudo to create /home/mythtv ?

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AlienX:

juski, i created /home/mythtv prior to the upgrade and my /home partition is separate from my OS partition

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juski:

AlienX: is /home/mythtv owned by mythtv ?

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juski:

if not, make it so!

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juski:

sudo chown -R mythtv:mythtv /home/mythtv ought to do it

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AlienX:

voila

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AlienX:

drwxr-xr-x 6 mythtv mythtv 4096 2007-04–28 18:56 mythtv

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juski:

the reason mythtv-setup was complaining when you tried to exit is that it's trying to write the mysql.txt file there

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AlienX:

juski, it still is giving me that error....should I remove the /mythtv/.test directory?

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juski:

hang on...

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juski:

where have you told mythtv to store the recordings?

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AlienX:

http://pastebin.ca/463584

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AlienX:

/home/mythtv

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juski:

you said you were logged in as 'mythtv' – that post says otherwise

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AlienX:

no, i never said i was logged in as mythtv...i am logged in as my user

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AlienX:

'steve'

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juski:

your user is in the mythtv group?

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AlienX:

yes

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juski:

try starting the backend init script

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juski:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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AlienX:

steve@ganymede:~$ grep mythtv: /etc/group

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AlienX:

mythtv:x:121:steve,root,mythtv

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juski:

then run mythfrontend

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juski:

all as you

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AlienX:

juski, seems to work. I was able to watch tv

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juski:

mythtv-setup tests the recordings dir to make sure the user mythbackend will run as can write to it... and it assumes you're running mythtv-setup as that user -which is why it's failing the test – you're running mythtv-setup as you!

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juski:

not mythtv!

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AlienX:

juski...i ran mythfrontend

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AlienX:

and then watched tv

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juski:

so it works then

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AlienX:

it does, and I appreciate it. Mythweb also seems to be working

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juski:

problem solved, we've been all around the houses

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AlienX:

juski, thank you

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juski:

AlienX: if your box is facing the internet I strongly recommend you secure mythweb before google indexes it & you end up pwn3d

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juski:

basic .htaccess is enough to keep most of the idiots out

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AlienX:

juski, i'm behind a hardware firewall that's natted. I should be ok :)

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juski:

as long as you don't open port 80 you'll be fine :)

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AlienX:

juski, heh, don't worry. I don't.

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juski:

you will eventually. being able to set up recordings away from home is ace :D

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AlienX:

juski, is there any sort of way I could do that using ssh from my office?

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baxter_kylie:

Le Sigh. I don't get it. I cant get SDTV to tune just fine in tvtime but it's just a black screen in myth.

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Jenetik:

what does "no tables" mean when scanning a transponder?

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baxter_kylie:

Can anyway tell me what their channel.chanid autonumber starts at?

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juski:

means no information tables about channels can be found

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briand:

effectively, it means "there is nothing here that I can tune"

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baxter_kylie:

s/way/one/

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Jenetik:

anyone using mythtv in north america?

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Jenetik:

Mod=qpsk,

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Jenetik:

I think that should be Mod=qam_256

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Jenetik:

any way to change that?

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** briand is in North America **

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** briand waits, perhaps in vain, for a question or problem description that may or may not be relevant to the continent on which he resides. **

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Jenetik:

is there anything for north america dvb-s setups that need to be changed in order to get transponder tables properly?

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Jenetik:

I get a lock, but it never finds tables

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Jenetik:

for any transponder

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briand:

what dvb-s card are you using?

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briand:

and, second, which satellite(s) are you pointing at?

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Jenetik:

nexus-s

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Jenetik:

dish 119w

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Jenetik:

can't pickup NASA or any channel

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Jenetik:

should be able to, but it always says "no tables" for all of the multiplex/transponder scans

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briand:

can your STB, pointed at the same satellite, receive any channels?

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Jenetik:

STB?

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briand:

set-top-box

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Jenetik:

I dont have one, but used to and it did

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Jenetik:

I'm getting like 80/80 for signal quality

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Jenetik:

about the same as the box got

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briand:

80: signal strength and 80: signal quality, then?

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Jenetik:

yeah

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Jenetik:

it decodes DISH119W even when I put in the frequency

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Jenetik:

Network Echostar 119 West Processing

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Jenetik:

Timeout Scanning Transport ID 2 — no tables

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Jenetik:

Updating Services

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briand:

stand by

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chuk:

did you compile it yourself?

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Jenetik:

no

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Jenetik:

it's ubuntu

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Jenetik:

apt-get

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baxter_kylie:

Can anyone explain how/where I might be going wrong? I can get SDTV channels to tune in tvtime using /dev/v4l/video0 and /dev/v4l/vbi0 ... but all I get is a black screen that doesn't lock in mythtv.

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chuk:

I cant get that to work with dish

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chuk:

I have to compile myself

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chuk:

and apply these patches:

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Jenetik:

why is that

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chuk:

http://opensvn.csie.org/myth_dvb_ng/

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Jenetik:

did you get a no tables error?

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juski:

chuk: you're just asking to get kickbanned

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chuk:

oh?

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chuk:

is that bad

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chuk:

Ididnt know

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juski:

using software to decrypt pay tv is illegal

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chuk:

that doesnt decrypt does it?

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chuk:

I had to use that to be able to scan sats

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Jenetik:

I'd paste the logs of the transponder scan, but it seems worthless

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chuk:

at all

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Jenetik:

it seems like the scan works fine

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juski:

and talking about it in a logged channel which is indexed by google...

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chuk:

even to get nasa

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briand:

Jenetik: which transponder are you scanning?

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chuk:

I thought it was just a patch to get it to scan

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Sedorox:

juski: I don't see how he's saying he's decoding pay sat

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Jenetik:

12369800

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GreyFoxx:

sasc is a softcam for decrypting the incoming signal and a non welcome subject in here

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Jenetik:

I'm not using sasc

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Jenetik:

I'm just trying to get radio or NASA

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Jenetik:

anything

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chuk:

I didnt think that was sasc?

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GreyFoxx:

chuck: It's sascng

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Jenetik:

FTA

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chuk:

oh

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chuk:

sorry

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briand:

Jenetik: you're on the wrong transponder for NASA TV

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Jenetik:

well

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Jenetik:

I can do a full scan and it finds nothing

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briand:

Jenetik: it's on 12370000

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Jenetik:

I have used that

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Jenetik:

same results

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juski:

Jenetik: that's the point. you can't do a full scan with dvb-s

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Jenetik:

I did a tuned scan on 1237000 and got "no tables"

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juski:

it'd take forever for one thing

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Jenetik:

with right circular set

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chuk:

you use the right number of 0's?

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Jenetik:

yes

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chuk:

12370000

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chuk:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

I use to do fullscans with my dvbs card, but my dish has been in my shed since I had my roof redone last summer

[02:16:48]

Jenetik:

20,000,000 for SR

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GreyFoxx:

It did take a long long time :)

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chuk:

I'm confused, should I be able to scan and pick up nasa out of the box?

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briand:

yes. NASA TV is FTA on that satellite

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GreyFoxx:

I think NASA is one of the few FTA channels on the dishnet sats

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briand:

there are also a handful of radio stations FTA as well

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chuk:

yeah, I couldn't scan 119 without a patch, but maybe it wasuser error

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Jenetik:

yes, you should be able to

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chuk:

does dish have a FTA hd test channel?

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Jenetik:

fuck

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Jenetik:

this shit never will work

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briand:

chuk: not on that bird

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Jenetik:

is standard LNB freq 1250MHz?

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Jenetik:

11250 I mean

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chuk:

do they have a free one on any bird?

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briand:

11250, usually

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Jenetik:

Transport # 9 TSID(0xf) original_network_id(0x1004) desc_len(69)

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Jenetik:

Transport descriptors length: 69

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Jenetik:

SatelliteDeliverySystemDescriptor: Frequency: 12428120

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Jenetik:

Mod=qpsk, SymbR=20000000, FECInner=5/6, Orbit=119.0 West, Pol=r

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Jenetik:

Service List Descriptor (0x41) length(54)

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Jenetik:

see, thats what I don't get.. I am able to lock on and see all that and it doesn't ever show any channels

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briand:

Jenetik: because, on that transponder, there aren't any that you can recieve.

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briand:

s/recieve/receive/

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Jenetik:

how do you tell?

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briand:

because you're scanning transponder 9, which has a bunch of spot-beams for local channels in various parts of the country

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briand:

...quite possibly, none of which you're actually located in. :)

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Jenetik:

well

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Jenetik:

Any reason I get "no tables"

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briand:

unless, of course, you live in Hawaii, Alaska, or Utah

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briand:

you should be trying transponder 11 (12370000), symbol rate = 20000000 and FEC = 7/8

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briand:

last time I checked, Florida wasn't located anywhere near Hawaii, Alaska, or Utah, though...

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Jenetik:

I get a lock by no tables

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Jenetik:

just like the rest

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Jenetik:

81/87

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briand:

...I only mention that last because your Comcast IP is assigned to the Miami, FL area...

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briand:

Jenetik: is there more than one LNB on your dish? Perhaps you're actually scanning 110W (where you won't find anything) on the second LNB

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Jenetik:

no, single LNB

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Jenetik:

no disqec

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Jenetik:

setup for N America right circular

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Jenetik:

11250

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Jenetik:

it's actually a directv dish

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Jenetik:

I dont know what they sell

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Jenetik:

I'm trying to get NASA and should be able to

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briand:

I agree.

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briand:

I'm only 450–500 miles from you, and I have a retired 18" RCA DirecTV dish pointed at 119W specifically for NASA TV

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briand:

...but I don't have a Nexus-S card, so there may be something in the setup of that card that isn't clicking for you...

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Jenetik:

at one point when I was fooling around with this weeks ago, it was finding BRAVO encrypted

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Jenetik:

and I had the LNB setup wrong

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Jenetik:

but I can't reproduce that now

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briand:

by "setup wrong", what do you mean?

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Jenetik:

MTV2 and a bunch of other channels

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Jenetik:

I dont know what I had setup, something for the diseqc was wrong and I don't know

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Jenetik:

I don't have any sort of diseqc to my knowledge

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Jenetik:

I believe I have a splitter that makes the coax into two wires

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briand:

ah..

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briand:

i was just about to ask if there was a device that looked like a splitter between the LNB and your Nexus-S card

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Jenetik:

there is

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briand:

that is not a splitter... it's a DiSEqC switch.

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Jenetik:

is that considered a 'switch'

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Jenetik:

I thought that was two take two lnbs

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briand:

(and, btw, to answer your earlier question, QPSK is correct for satellite. QAM is for digital tv on cable systems)

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Jenetik:

so if I have a coax in the living room and here, I have a diseqc switch?

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Jenetik:

because I used to have both working at one point

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Jenetik:

in windows and with a pansat

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Jenetik:

shit

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briand:

i don't know for sure, but you can't use a standard splitter on satellite cable, so my guess would be "yes"

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Jenetik:

well, I configured it as a diseqc with two LNBs connected

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Jenetik:

says "scanning multiplex #11" and locked

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briand:

satellite receivers (including your nexus-s card) send control voltages up the coax wire to the LNB (and any intervening diseqc switches), so you cannot use a 'splitter' to feed multiple receivers from a single coax

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briand:

in fact, putting a splitter on it would risk ruining the LNB along with any diseqc switches.. and possibly both receivers

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chuk:

you could have a diplexer

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chuk:

if you had cable and sat to same room

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Jenetik:

thats on two different coaxs

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Jenetik:

for me at least

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Jenetik:

What's a "tone" switch?

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Jenetik:

2007-04–28 22:46:27.991 DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 0

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Jenetik:

2007-04–28 22:46:31.809 DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 1

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briand:

it's an old-style 2-way 'switch', using a 22kHz signal to activate

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chuk:

can you hook right up to the LNB?

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chuk:

bypass the switch

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briand:

diseqc gives you 4 ports, the 'tone switch' gives you two

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briand:

you can feed the tone switch from the reciever, with outputs to two diseqc switches to connect/address up to 8 LNBs from one receiver

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briand:

but, as you have only one dish and one LNB... that's a moot point.

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Jenetik:

so I don't get how I configure the input

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briand:

where is this "splitter looking device" located? can you get an eyeball on it?

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Jenetik:

its up in the attic

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Jenetik:

not really

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briand:

my recommendation would be to bypass that switch, if you only have the one LNB, and run coax directly from the LNB to the nexus-s card, and re-try the scan of transponder 11 (12370000)

[02:51:33]

Jenetik:

it worked in windows though

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Jenetik:

so I'm not going to

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tony_:

can someone tell me why i'm getting "no error type from qsqlerror? Strange...." and "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169

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tony_:

"

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briand:

well, then, you've configured something in windows differently than you've configured it in Linux for that nexus-s card.

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tony_:

...and is there a way to just watch live tv without it doing the background recording?

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briand:

tony_: "no error type from ..." probably means you're not connected to the database ...and, in fact, is usually followed in the logs by a message asking if you've got a database running...

[02:54:23]

briand:

tony_: "X Error: ..." usually means something wrong with your xorg.conf file

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briand:

tony_: and, to your last question, "no"

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tony_:

briand, it would be lighter on resources if it didn't record or cache in the background. i just want it like dscaler in windows

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tony_:

i had less errors when i installed it. maybe i should start over

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LennonNZ_:

any NZers here?

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Jenetik:

whats the difference between diseqc and diseqc (Uncommitted)

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briand:

Jenetik: where are you seeing that?

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Jenetik:

Capture Card Setup – DiSeqC – Switch

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briand:

tony_: you can conserve those resources by powering down your mythtv box and watching the signal directly on your television. MythTV "records" in the background to allow pause/ffwd/rew, etc.

[03:01:31]

briand:

Jenetik: i dunno... try both, iteratively, maybe? [shrug]

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Jenetik:

I did

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LennonNZ_:

I'm looking at setting up mythTV.. is the HVR-3000 supported for DVB-S properly yet?

[03:02:39]

LennonNZ_:

or better to just buy a Nova-S Plus for DVB-S at the moment?

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tony_:

i have no tv other than my pc. i don't usually watch much

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chuk:

do I need to restart the backend for it to see changes in settings table?

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GreyFoxx:

DEpends on the change

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GreyFoxx:

and if you did them manually or through the frontend/mythtv-setup

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chuk:

I did it manually

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GreyFoxx:

then I would restart

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chuk:

INSERT INTO settings (value,data,hostname) VALUES ('UseXvMCForHDOnly', '1', 'yourhost');

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chuk:

that was the change

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GreyFoxx:

oh

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GreyFoxx:

that's a frontend setting

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GreyFoxx:

nothing to do with the backend

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chuk:

thats stored on backend database,no?

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chuk:

oh wait

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chuk:

yes

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chuk:

sorry

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chuk:

fe fetches directly

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chuk:

I thought be fetched from db, and communicated to fe

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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GreyFoxx:

both talk to mysql

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GreyFoxx:

though future versions will likely change that

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chuk:

right

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chuk:

actually that seems a strange way to do it

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chuk:

was that due to legacy myth?

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GreyFoxx:

What? Both accessing mysql?

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chuk:

was it ever not a separate front and back end?

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chuk:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

No, always seperated

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GreyFoxx:

plus in theory some people use myth without any tuners/recording and no backend running at all

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chuk:

strange, I would think it would be more n tiered

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chuk:

ah

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chuk:

abstract the data layer

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chuk:

but I guess if it has other uses

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LennonNZ_:

whats the best card for mythtv with has HMDI output?

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LennonNZ_:

for output

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chuk:

you can also use DVI->HDMI cable

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chuk:

with a DVI card

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chuk:

but if you want straight HDMI, just pick one of the nvidia ones

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briand:

and, if you go with DVI, also pick one of the nvidia ones. :)

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radfojc:

anyone use both svideo inputs on the pvr 500 ok with myth? I have 2 setup boxes I want to setup

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LennonNZ_:

ok. and for DVB-S input?

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radfojc:

NTSC input from 2 motorola cable boxes

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briand:

radfojc: why not just use firewire?

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briand:

radfojc: that'll allow you to control the box -and- receive video

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radfojc:

briand: I dont see firewire ports on the back of the boxes

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briand:

radfojc: contact your cable provider, then. they should make them available to you upon request (via FCC mandate) if they don't supply such a box by default.

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radfojc:

briand: and I'll get all the channels I pay for? HBO, Showtime, etc?

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a5benwillis:

which rc#.d folder should I simlink to start a script at boot on Edgy??

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briand:

radfojc: better directed to someone who actually has such a setup. I'm an analog cable subscriber, and have no set-top box

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baxter_kylie:

a5benwillis:" I think it's local but I don't know for certain... I'm a gentooer

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a5benwillis:

well, I alctually need to simlink so I cant do it in rc.local.

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TSCHAK:

arrggggg

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TSCHAK:

I have deleted all the non-hd channels from my firewire

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TSCHAK:

but yet when i press a non-HD channel

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TSCHAK:

IT TUNES IT ON MY HD BOX!

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TSCHAK:

omfg

[04:03:04]

TSCHAK:

it added all of the channels back into my CableHD feed

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TSCHAK:

$#($#@$(@#$#(@

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TSCHAK:

does mythfilldatabase re-add channels?

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TSCHAK:

please god tell me no

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a5benwillis:

TSCHAK: No

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TSCHAK:

a5benwillis, then how did my channels that I deleted magically re-appear?

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a5benwillis:

TSCHAK: Dunno, but, filldatabase just gets EIT data if you have DirectData setup. I doesnt do channel scanning.

[04:18:25]

a5benwillis:

check your channel table to see that its really empty.

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a5benwillis:

CRAP

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a5benwillis:

did DN keys change today?

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briand:

a5benwillis: you are, most certainly, in the wrong channel.

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a5benwillis:

oops

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a5benwillis:

you are correct

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a5benwillis:

:-)

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chuk:

am I allowed to receive unencrypted cable channels with a Dvico fusion card?

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chuk:

if I subscribe to cable

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chuk:

cbs, nbc, etc

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hound:

chuk, yes you are allowed. afaik the FCC insists that local stations like the ones you listed stay unencrypted so you can receive them.

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chuk:

even the HD ones>

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chuk:

?

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chuk:

I'm trying to figure out what I actually have to subscribe to

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chuk:

I only watch HD networks

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chuk:

abc, nbc, etc

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chuk:

right now, I have to pay cable company $69 a month for that, plus $20 for a dvr

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chuk:

I want to use my myth with dvico fusion

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chuk:

but I'm not sure what level of service that would actually fall under

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chuk:

basically, I want to get away with "lifeline" service

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chuk:

for $11 or so, but I cant get straight answer from cable co

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chuk:

thought maybe someone here has done it before me

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mchou:

there is no need for a dvr

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mchou:

comcast charges $5 for a HDTV stb

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chuk:

yeah, and just hook it up via firewire>

[04:36:29]

chuk:

?

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mchou:

beats buying a card thats going to be obsolete

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chuk:

yeah

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kslater:

anyone using a mobo with an ATI x1250?

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mchou:

damn, I just wasted 2 hrs of my life. What a horrid movie

[04:41:25]

mchou:

gotta be te worst video I ever rented

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TSCHAK:

Which?

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mchou:

Igby goes down

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TSCHAK:

haven't seen

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mchou:

TSCHAK: trust me, dont

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mchou:

count yourself lucky

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TSCHAK:

although I have seen plenty of movies I wish i could get my $10 back :-P

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mchou:

at this point I'm way past $10

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mchou:

they'd have to pay me $1000 to even begin making watching that movie berable

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mchou:

bearable*

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mchou:

I dont understand how it even got nominated for the golden globes

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afterwego:

Having issues with video quality and stuttering video

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afterwego:

I can see vertical lines

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afterwego:

So I was wondering if anybody could give me a hand. I can provide more information as needed

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afterwego:

I have checked around and was unable to find anything of use

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afterwego:

Anyone?

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baxter_kylie:

afterwego: Have you checked cpu usage? Many times stutter can come from either weak signal or a cpu that can't keep up.

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afterwego:

I have not done that yet

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afterwego:

I am using Ubuntu, so I am not sure how to do that

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fatmatt:

afterwego, what cpu do you have? what sort of tuner?

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afterwego:

Tuner is a PVR-150 and the CPU is an AMD 64 3000+

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fatmatt:

is that an analog or digital tuner?

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fatmatt:

that cpu should be fine

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afterwego:

I believe it is digital, but im no 100% on that one

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Sedorox:

PVR-150 is analog

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afterwego:

Im almost wondering if what I am seeing isn't some sort of pixelation

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fatmatt:

I don't know how the 150 handles a bad signal, but thats a possibility, maybe check the antenna is good. DO you get a good signal / picture on tv? Also, maybe google hdparm and check you have DMA enabled, it should be on by default these days but thats about all I can suggest

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afterwego:

It is coming in from cable. DMA is enabled. I do get a pretty decent signal, but its jittery in spots and I get some pixelation

[06:03:42]

afterwego:

My load averages are a little high

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afterwego:

right around 3.6

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afterwego:

and dropping it would seem

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Sedorox:

what else does the box do? thats really high

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afterwego:

Its setup to do myth only

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afterwego:

I do have the Gnome GUI up behind it

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afterwego:

I do have an ATI Radeon 9600XT powering the video output and that is running using the fglrx driver

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Sedorox:

I have a box doing asterisk, VMWare (running win2k3 server), Samba, dhcp server, and a few other things (AMD 64 3400+, 1gig ram) and I barely go above 0.5

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afterwego:

Mine runs samba and a web server as well, but those should be pretty minimal

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afterwego:

I am using Ubuntu Feisty for it

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Sedorox:

check ` ps -aux ` and on the third column, check to see what the highest number is (username first, PID second, cpu% third)

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afterwego:

Those are the two highest

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Sedorox:

so X is using 50%, and the mythfrontend if using 50%

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Sedorox:

(about)

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afterwego:

yep

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Sedorox:

what do you have running on the frontend right now?

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afterwego:

not exactly sure why X would be using that much

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afterwego:

LiveTV

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Sedorox:

are you 100% sure the fglrx drivers are working correctly? otherwise it might be doing software rendering.. which might cause that

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afterwego:

Should be but I am going to switch it back to the default driver it was using and give it a shot. I have noticed fglrx is pretty flakey

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Sedorox:

well I had issues before with my one system (wasn't running myth) but the fglrx drivers weren't doing the proper glx crap.. and nothing was running well

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afterwego:

Now that I have switched it back I get no video

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Sedorox:

well load up the fglrx drivers.. but check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if you have fglrx errors/warning (after loading X)

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afterwego:

(WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found

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Sedorox:

hm

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Sedorox:

that might be your second video out if your card has more then one

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afterwego:

I have an onboard and then the additional card

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afterwego:

But beyond a font warning everything else is clean

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Sedorox:

both ati?

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afterwego:

No one is just part of the VIA chipset

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Sedorox:

then thats not it..

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Sedorox:

no other EE or WW's?

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afterwego:

Not any beyond it not being able to find a wacom device and some font warnings

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afterwego:

I am running only 512 RAM

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Sedorox:

should be enough...

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afterwego:

Thats kind of what I figured

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Sedorox:

open up a terminal... in X.. and type

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Sedorox:

fglrcinfo

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Sedorox:

er

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Sedorox:

fglrxinfo

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Sedorox:

say ATI or something else?

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afterwego:

Yeah

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Sedorox:

which?

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afterwego:

ATI

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Sedorox:

k

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afterwego:

I have read some things with Feisty have issues with LIRC and decoding, but I didn't read much into it

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afterwego:

Ah LIRC is the remote

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afterwego:

Also the frontend and backend are running on the same machine

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Sedorox:

yes

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** baxter_kylie doesn't really think Fiesty has issues with anything... it's just the version of the support modules and the software they ship that might not play nicely. **

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Sedorox:

I'm not sure what it is

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afterwego:

Could it be something in the recording profiles

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Sedorox:

dunno

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fatmatt:

anyone ever made a bootable cd/cvd for a frontend. Missus usually uses winxp on her laptop, want to boot to dvd/cd or even usb flash. Dual boot is undesirable

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Dagmar:

fatmatt: Google KnoppMyth

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fatmatt:

I tried knoppmyth, but the versions I could find were way out of date.

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Dagmar:

That's a shame. Work on your Google skills

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cecil:

out of date?

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cecil:

youo must not have looked very hard...

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cecil:

KnoppMyth R5E50 is the latest and it is very much up to date

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cecil:

that is until the next release which will bne out shortly...

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fatmatt:

I'll give it a shot, thanks

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hari_seldon91:

Hey

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fatmatt:

thought I'd tried that release..

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hari_seldon91:

Just reformatted/reinstalled my PVR box and am having a wierd scheduling/commercial cutlist problem accessing mythbackend with remote frontend

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hari_seldon91:

The timings of the EPG and the recordings in my remote frontend are 6 hours ahead of the real time. The same problem does not exist in the local frontend or the system time in the backend

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Dagmar:

Set your /etc/localtime and TZ correctly

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hari_seldon91:

uh okay

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hari_seldon91:

I think they are set correctly

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hari_seldon91:

because the times are reading correctly locally in the frontend

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hari_seldon91:

the remote access is where the problem is, but the time reads correct in the remote machine too

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hari_seldon91:

oh wait...

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hari_seldon91:

Right, there is a problem with the local time in the remote machine

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hari_seldon91:

I'll fix it, thanks for your attention

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EnderTheThird:

Stupid question: When I start a mythtranscode job through the FE, where does it save the file?

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EnderTheThird:

Everything I see when I Google about transcoding it specifies recordings via specific times and channel IDs

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone....?

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juski:

morning

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juski:

anybody happen to know what <skipin> in base.xml of theme files does?

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pat_:

does anybody know why when I upgraded minimyth the remote key functions changed?

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pat_:

have the default keys changed recently in 0.20-fixes?

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juski:

pat_: did you have custom keybindings before?

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pat_:

I didn't think so

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juski:

if the hostname of the frontend has changed you'd lose em

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pat_:

no, I upgraded in place and kept the hostname

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pat_:

changing back to the old version reverted them to the original

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juski:

AFAIK no key layouts have changed

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** pat_ digs deeper **

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pat_:

# MM_LIRC_FETCH_LIRCRC

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pat_:

that's newer than the old config file

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juski:

oh yeah the default for that is 'no'

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bennyw:

Hi; has anyone ever had the problem where scheduled recordings are being made, but then they don't show up in the "Watch Recordings" area. More oddly; they do show up in mythweb – it's just mythfrontend that is having issues; I imagine there's some magic sql I can run to fix it all

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juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . ecordings.3F

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bennyw:

juski: well now I feel retarded

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juski:

it's not called a FAQ for nothing

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bennyw:

thanks

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Dagmar:

Give it time

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Dagmar:

You'll eventually resort to a FUQ like I did

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bennyw:

I don't even remember setting the filter; but my wife isn't trusting it yet (mainly because all our programs were disappearing). So I'm probably to blame... as always.

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juski:

well, if the default filter is left as it is, we'll have people asking where their recordings are

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juski:

if it's changed, we'll get people asking wtf has happened to their livetv recordings

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juski:

there's no real solution other than users reading the docs!

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juski:

muhahahahahaha

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opello:

"rtfm" always comes back :)

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Dagmar:

RTFM MEIN FRIE

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gpd:

does anyone use *long* DVI cables to connect a myth box to a TV?

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Tanthrix:

Define long.

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gpd:

ie. over 50 feet

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** Tanthrix folds **

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gpd:

too long for you?

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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Tanthrix:

Mine is about 20 feet.

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gpd:

hmm.

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Tanthrix:

Having problems?

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juski:

anything over a certain distance will need a repeater

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gpd:

not yet – still considering options

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juski:

up to 15 metres should be fine.. after that they recommend you use a repeater amplifier

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gpd:

i have this fancy networked flat that I am contemplating using the ethernet to carry video signals somehow

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Dagmar:

Enough to offend people

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Dagmar:

wrong channel

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pat_:

juski, ta for the heads up

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pat_:

juski: working now

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gpd:

it would mean not having to have a frontend in the room with the TV

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pat_:

now all I need to get working is themecache

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juski:

at least the cabling is cheap :-P

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gpd:

juski: this dvi over cat5 – is that a fancy box – or a fancy wiring job?

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AndyCap:

you could get dvi fibercables.

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Tanthrix:

You'll need a damned good cable to get over 12 meters

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juski:

gpd: a fancy, and very expensive box at each end

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Tanthrix:

The max spec is 5, but most people can get around 10 without too many problems, but after that it's black magic

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gpd:

hmm. sounds like back to the silent front end option – which is also not too cheap

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juski:

gpd: put it this way – it's cheaper than DVI over cat5 transcievers believe me!

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juski:

when each end is well over $400

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gpd:

another plan is to use an old laptop for the frontend

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gpd:

1G 512M 20G disk toshiba 3000 – should do the job

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juski:

not for HDTV it won't

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gpd:

not worried about HD yet

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gpd:

in UK for a start – so not much about

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juski:

ahh yes I know where you're coming from now ;)

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** juski uses an epia m10000 motherboard with a silent HSF for his frontend.. diskless, low power consumption... **

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juski:

you could make a silent frontend for SDTV for less than £200

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juski:

and small ;)

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gpd:

who do you use to supply the silent components?

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Tanthrix:

I've never quite understood the whole quiet frontend obcession – I've got a generic PIII box for the front end in the living room with a generic power supply, and I only notice it if the TV is off

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pat_:

gpd: I use a dell sff gx260 with no drives as my frontend

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pat_:

it's quiet enough that we have it in the bedroom

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AndyCap:

while fibre dvi costs $750 for 40 mtrs. :-P

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juski:

Tanthrix: the noise floor in my livingroom is 25dBA

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Tanthrix:

You can get a dvi repeater for $50–150, so I think fiber would be out

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juski:

oh and then there's my t-online S100 box.. totally fanless. no optical drive though

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juski:

less than £50 on ebay

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AndyCap:

btw: anyone here run gmyth on a maemo?

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juski:

looks nice too www.juski.co.uk/s100/

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gpd:

juski: uk too :)

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Tanthrix:

Even newer systems are not loud enough to be heard over a TV noticably – is it when the TV is turned off that people get annoyed?

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Tanthrix:

I have pretty sensitive hearing, but fan whirling has never urked me that much

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gpd:

Tanthrix: your TV must be *quite* loud!

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juski:

Tanthrix: the loudest thing in my livingroom at idle is the clock

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anykey_:

Tanthrix: when the movies have quiet scenes, you probably notice the fans, *that* is annoying

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gpd:

juski: not wishing to be heretical – but are there any contenders for TV recorders 'off the shelf' in the UK?

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juski:

the epia fan wasn't that objectionable, but I saw the opportunity to make it completely silent I took it

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juski:

gpd: just freeview PVRs? loads of em. none can do even half of what mythtv is capable of

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gpd:

we've just moved from california where my wife had a motorola moxi dvr that was super simple

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Tanthrix:

anykey_: I suppose, but it still doesn't bother me. Maybe my system is just quiet though.

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Tanthrix:

I really would like to buy a decibel meter.

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anykey_:

Tanthrix: well, I don't know exactly how loud the system is, but as juski said, the clock is louder ;)

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juski:

gpd: analogue tv is gonna be switched off 'soon' in phases, so don't buy anything analogue

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gpd:

juski: i've seen a couple of freeview boxes 'down tesco' – but they are almost 200 quid...

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AndyCap:

juski: does the S100 do pxe booting?

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** pat_ gives up on the minimyth themecache for the time being **

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juski:

AndyCap: I already have TWO of the things

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** AndyCap is still overjoyed at the fact that he found a dab pci card for £18.00 **

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juski:

AndyCap: just get a freeview card & use mythtv's dvb radio recording :)

[09:42:19]

juski:

cheaper, better sound quality by _miles_

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hugolp:

juski: so you are telling you can run mythtv from that s100 thing?

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juski:

DAB is SHITE

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juski:

hugolp: mythfrontend, no problem

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hugolp:

what so do you use in it?

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hugolp:

minimyth or what?

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juski:

what SO? Linux!

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hugolp:

I mean distribution

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AndyCap:

juski: not an option. I'm not in the UK

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juski:

AndyCap: ah ;)

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juski:

hugolp: doesn't matter

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juski:

slack is nice for it though

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AndyCap:

juski: and the quality depends on the bitrate, same as for DVB. :)

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juski:

but a few of us, mostly gardengnome – we're close to getting minimyth fully worky on it

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juski:

AndyCap: okay – UK bitrates of DAB are shite :)

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AndyCap:

did find some specs on the chipset, so I'll have to see if I can't get it running in linux

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hugolp:

juski how noisy it is?

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juski:

AndyCap: you could ressurect MythFM while you're on – and fix everything that was wrong with it – the stuff which caused it to remain an unofficial plugin ;)

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juski:

hugolp: it's NOT

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juski:

look at the photos.. there's no fan!

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AndyCap:

juski: hehe, I guess I have an fm radio sitting on the saa7134 card here.

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juski:

hugolp: there's an alternative if you're not in europe – the MSNTV2

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juski:

nice little hacking project

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hugolp:

I am from Barcelona

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hugolp:

oh but it doesnt have digital output. Only SCART isnt it?

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juski:

at some point I'm planning to make a new front panel for my s100 so it can have a slimline DVD drive in there

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juski:

hugolp: no DVI output, but there's a header for VGA

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juski:

you need to use the VGA header to hack it anyway

[09:48:04]

hugolp:

that will do

[09:48:12]

hugolp:

I am going to get one

[09:48:25]

juski:

I'm not gonna be your tech support

[09:48:37]

hugolp:

juski is there any page with a guide?

[09:48:53]

juski:

zenega-user forums. google for them. mostly german

[09:49:01]

pat_:

shrug, personally if you aren't into a science project, I'd get a small generic computer and run minimyth on it

[09:49:18]

hugolp:

juski :(

[09:49:22]

juski:

I don't mind helping a little bit with the hacking part but not with installing linux on there

[09:49:26]

hugolp:

dont speak no german at all

[09:49:36]

juski:

hugolp: some is in English

[09:49:42]

hugolp:

ok

[09:49:51]

juski:

I can help but don't expect 24/7 support

[09:50:26]

AndyCap:

Hmm, is the Bose zenega about the same hardware?

[09:50:31]

juski:

anyway very soon minimyth could be 100% working on it, which'll make life 100% easier for everybody

[09:50:44]

juski:

AndyCap: yeah but less RAM AFAIK

[09:50:49]

Tanthrix:

That's a 200 percent improvement!

[09:50:55]

Nik_Doof:

any recommendations on where to get one?

[09:51:02]

juski:

Nik_Doof: ebay

[09:51:11]

Nik_Doof:

yah was just looking ebay.de, quite a few

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juski:

or if you're in germany T-Online were giving em away for free with triple-play deals

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juski:

they come with WinCE on them & some useless online apps & games

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juski:

which is why the hacking came about. windowsCE sucks

[09:52:59]

Nik_Doof:

time to brush up on my german again hehe

[09:53:15]

AndyCap:

I see a rush on ebay.de coming.

[09:53:21]

juski:

I tried the box before I hacked it.. the app looks nice but it was slow as hell!

[09:53:54]

AndyCap:

judging from digital boxes customers should be used to slow, slow UI's

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juski:

as the box comes shipped, it's slower than any digital box I've ever seen

[09:54:43]

juski:

even slower than my VirginMedia cable box!

[09:54:48]

Nik_Doof:

...

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Nik_Doof:

thats slow

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Dagmar:

Slower than Bush

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Tanthrix:

Impossible.

[09:56:03]

juski:

does anybody know of a csv list of all Sky's channels anywhere? I really don't wanna have to make a screen scraper if I can help it

[09:56:29]

Nik_Doof:

juski: have you checked Astra's website?

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hugolp:

The first two google pages of t-online s100 linux are in german and then its just crap :(

[09:57:26]

Nik_Doof:

hugolp: http://forum.zenega-user.de/

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AndyCap:

juski: list of what exactly?

[09:58:37]

juski:

AndyCap: a list of channels & their numbers, possibly with details of the package they're in

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AndyCap:

ah. ok.

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hugolp:

Nik_Doof: thats more german

[09:59:06]

hugolp:

dont speak german at all

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juski:

hugolp: I have a bit of an english guide – probably enough to get you going, on my website

[10:03:45]

AndyCap:

haha, wildsat has the list as a word document of all things

[10:05:51]

juski:

nifty! cheers

[10:07:01]

juski:

gonna need some perl-fu to turn that into something useful though

[10:10:37]

hugolp:

juski: your guide looks ok

[10:10:57]

hugolp:

I have found you as well in the minimyth forum

[10:11:10]

hugolp:

did you finally got minimyth installed on the s100?

[10:15:09]

juski:

no not yet. busy with other projects like themes & a channel config wizard

[10:16:43]

hugolp:

actually, if the s100 has a working mythtv front end why you want to install the minimyth?

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juski:

it doesn't, until you put linux on the box somehow

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juski:

jees my perl is rusty

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hugolp:

juski nevermind

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jono:

hi all

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jono:

does anyone have a link to a guide for setting up the uk radio times xmltv grabber?

[10:34:35]

juski:

jono: in the mythtv wiki :)

[10:34:41]

jono:

cool

[10:35:05]

juski:

how's the runup to LRL going?

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juski:

FYI Jono I've started working on a channel config wizard thing for us UK folks again. on with some perl to parse the $ky channel lineup. messy

[10:40:39]

jono:

cool :)

[10:40:46]

jono:

LRL going well :)

[10:40:48]

juski:

when it's done, no more messing about with configuring xmltv

[10:40:49]

jono:

you coming juski?

[10:41:44]

juski:

yeah been thinking about it, if only as an attendee

[10:42:27]

jono:

cool

[10:43:14]

juski:

the bit about having to tear down the stand for the sat evening put me off about showing mythtv there this year. no easy way to show off myth without a laptop

[10:44:05]

juski:

otherwise should be a big improvement on last year's venue though :)

[10:44:33]

jono:

yeah, you can tear down and store the gear in a locked room there though

[10:48:16]

juski:

well, we'll see then. if I can get any helpers again... been on/off about exhibiting but it keeps pulling me back

[10:48:53]

juski:

it's down to the old 'if I don't, who will' scenario again

[10:49:34]

jono:

juski: thats the nature of open source :)

[10:49:40]

jono:

would be great to have you there :)

[10:52:10]

juski:

be great to be there again, which is why I'm still tempted. if I can rattle a posse together in time it'll be on

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jono:

cool

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jono:

want to be in the hour of power again?

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juski:

aye go on. I can't do any worse than last time

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jono:

cool :)

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juski:

nothing set in stone yet.. but I'll see if I can get a body together fer it

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jono:

cool

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murray:

trying to figure out how to let a apple remote access more than 6 operations, and a popup menu seems ideal

[11:07:22]

murray:

only the options that are there by default (epg, prev chan, select audio track...) aren't ideal (for me at least)

[11:09:33]

AndyCap:

Ah, the bose zenega has a little VxWorks dvb-s receiver stuck in it as well http://wiki.zenega-user.de/index.php?title=Features

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Nik_Doof:

oooo

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juski:

oh yeh. that's what I like. now parsing a txt file with the $ly channels & writing an xml file as output

[11:17:04]

juski:

I should try & remember how to commit this to my svn server before I lose it again & have to reinvent the wheel

[11:19:45]

Om:

Is anyone using or involved with the multichannel audio output patch? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1104

[11:19:57]

Om:

Or just happens to know what version it's meant to be applied to..

[11:20:11]

Om:

(or if it's gone into the main tree yet.. ;)

[11:21:33]

juski:

it'd be meant to be applied to the latest svn at the time the patch was submitted

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juski:

to find out if it's in the main tree, check the -commit archive

[11:27:42]

Anduin:

If it was committed there should be a comment on the ticket

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Om:

Bleh.

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juski:

just buy a digital amp – less hassle :)

[11:37:18]

juski:

btw jono I gave the feisty mythtv packages an 'idiot' test yesterday – you can't go far wrong if you follow the popup instructions, even without the docs – ace!

[11:37:37]

jono:

indeed, its pretty awesome :)

[11:39:35]

juski:

_big_ improvement all round. we shouldn't get so many folks with db access problems from ubuntu anymore :)

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Om:

I have a digital amp ;<

[11:40:17]

juski:

Om: so what's the fuss about the multichannel audio patch? timestretch/compression ?

[11:40:24]

Om:

But the motherboard's onboard soundcard doesn't have an S/PDIF connector. ;<

[11:40:37]

juski:

$5 on ebay should fix that

[11:40:57]

Om:

Not to mention that, as I understand it, using a digital amp requires you to use the amp for volume control

[11:41:23]

Om:

And it restricts you to whatever surround formats the amp can cope with :(

[11:41:26]

juski:

true. but with the right remote you can get around that

[11:41:40]

juski:

it sounds so much better though :)

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Om:

It is tempting. But your $5 figure is, last time I checked, rather optimistic

[11:43:04]

juski:

contrary to popular belief, if you're only going to use digital outputs, just about any old cheap as dirt soundcard will do

[11:43:29]

Om:

And I have some rather sexy multichannel not-AC3/DTS stuff I'd like to be able to play, which S/PDIF canne cope with

[11:43:59]

Om:

Oh, I was thinking of getting the bracket which brings the S/PDIF connector off the motherboard header

[11:44:43]

juski:

whatever gave you the impression spdif can't cope with DTS?

[11:45:15]

juski:

it can be tricky to get myth to pass thru, but that's just a matter of wiggling the correct port

[11:45:57]

juski:

if you don't use the right port, loud & weird noises come out of the spdif socket

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Om:

Oh, I meant I have some surround stuff which is neither AC3 or DTS. FLAC. And I think I'm right in thinking that S/PDIF can't cope with >2 uncompressed channels

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juski:

ah now I getcha

[11:48:40]

Dagmar:

Sometimes pretty flashes of light and strange smells

[11:50:04]

jono:

juski: it it normal for mythfilldatabase to take so long?

[11:50:13]

pat_:

mine takes a while

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purserj:

mine takes a bit

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jono:

its finding conflicts right now

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pat_:

it has to download the guide data from the net

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jono:

and removing them

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jono:

right

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jono:

ok I am gonna run and leave it then :)

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jono:

later! :)

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pat_:

hey purserj, how are you tonight?

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purserj:

good, would be better if my youngest would go to sleep

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purserj:

Got the fimbles running off the myth to try and put her out

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pat_:

I got my boat license today, and there was a young guy there who was complaining about being up so early on a sunday. I said he obviously didn't have kids.

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purserj:

heh

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pat_:

everyone else knew what I meant

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purserj:

You can usually tell the non-parents. They're the ones who complain about having to wake up at 10 on a sunday

[11:52:48]

pat_:

I'm just an uncle

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juski:

10? 9am is a lie in for me on a weekend

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pat_:

and I'm used the the 7am wakeup calls from the littlies

[11:53:09]

juski:

if I have a hangover, usually up & about long before that

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purserj:

bleh, our middle child has decided that 5 is a good time to get up

[11:53:52]

pat_:

oh, my sister has put a limit on it. (at my request)

[11:54:05]

pat_:

when they stay over they come and jump on us at 5

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** purserj looks at youngest, hmm long blinks happening **

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** juski smacks a forum thread bumper **

[11:55:46]

hugolp:

I get the program guide from the DVB-T signal (EIT I think is the name). Is it posible that if the guide changed in the middle of a recording this recording would stop and then just wont start again?

[11:56:01]

purserj:

I wouldn't think so

[11:56:13]

purserj:

Depends on how often the EIT is updated

[11:56:15]

juski:

no, eit data grabbing is done constantly in the background

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juski:

so it IS possible that if the show no longer was in the guide, recording would stop

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** purserj needs to have a look at that EPG script for WIN again **

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juski:

BUT – I've no idea how myth is coded to handle such events.. it might even be that the time slot is already scheduled to happen & carries on regardless

[11:58:38]

hugolp:

juski I was watching a recorded program while it was being recorded. I was watching it through the recorded programs menu. Suddenly it just stop recording and I went to the program guide and the one that I was watching and one that had to be recorded in a while had disapear. And then they refused to be recorded again

[11:58:52]

hugolp:

I ordered them to be recorded again but they failed

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hugolp:

I dont understand

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hugolp:

I am wathcing it live now

[11:59:03]

hugolp:

no problem

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purserj:

hitting r doesn't help?

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hugolp:

hahaha very funny

[12:00:25]

purserj:

not trying to be. Little information about your setup I took a stab at how you're controlling your myth instance

[12:01:27]

hugolp:

purserj: yes, it work

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hugolp:

I went live tv and press r on one channel

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hugolp:

its suposed to be recording that channel

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hugolp:

now

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purserj:

right

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hugolp:

but then it just wouldnt let me change channel

[12:02:08]

purserj:

how many tuners do you have?

[12:02:12]

hugolp:

I had to leave live tv

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Dagmar:

To change channels would require _ending the recording_ if you only had one tuner

[12:02:21]

hugolp:

and go back to live tv again to see other channel

[12:02:25]

hugolp:

I have two turners

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purserj:

right

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Dagmar:

It will not automatically jump to the other tuner

[12:03:34]

hugolp:

I still dont get why it just stoped everything before, and also, it hang the server, I went and tryed to close it and it just wouldnt

[12:03:43]

hugolp:

I had to hardware reset it

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Dagmar:

That's called a crash

[12:04:08]

hugolp:

no

[12:04:17]

hugolp:

The system was responding

[12:04:29]

Dagmar:

Yes.

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hugolp:

but mythtv had a turner recording, although nothing was being recorded

[12:04:45]

hugolp:

and it just wouldnt quit

[12:04:57]

hugolp:

I was presing the quit but it just wouldnt

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Dagmar:

Because it was crashed

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hugolp:

well, whatever it is, is this usual or known?

[12:06:04]

purserj:

Crashes have been known to happen

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hugolp:

ok cool

[12:06:36]

hugolp:

that made it clear

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hugolp:

:P

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purserj:

Mine is pretty stable except when my external hdd decides to stop responding

[12:07:34]

purserj:

Then its just a case of unplugging the thing and re-plugging it in

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Om:

Bleh

[12:08:28]

Om:

Someone name a program that can do a half-decent job of resampling a 6 channel wav

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Om:

audacity won't output a multichannel wav and won't resample properly anyway. sox does a crap job of it, ffmpeg won't..

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hugolp:

If I am watching a recording and want to watch it later, is there a way to leave a mark or something so it will start playing from there next time I watch it?

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gbee:

bookmark, can be done automatically or by pressing space

[12:27:15]

gbee:

at least it's space with my bindings, might be enter or some other key by default

[12:27:52]

gbee:

under settings, you can tell it to set a bookmark when you leave a recording

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hugolp:

gbee thanks

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hugolp:

I will check now

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gbee:

playback settings, second page 'Action on playback exit'

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juski:

gbee: fancy a trip to wolverhampton in july?

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gbee:

sure, what's happening there in July?

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** juski eats the words 'never' and 'again' **

[12:30:08]

juski:

lugradiolive & mythtv demos, maybe

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juski:

the rationale being that if somebody doesn't do it, nobody else will

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** pat_ would love a trip to wolverhampton in july, except summer in england is probably colder than winter in brisbane **

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juski:

and it's good fun

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juski:

pat_: lol

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purserj:

pat_: they think 30 is a heat wave

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juski:

nah we think 20 is a heatwave

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pat_:

I'm starting to get cold tonight, and it is 21 in this room

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hugolp:

you have to see the british down here in spain in summer

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hugolp:

they go red the second day

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hugolp:

XD

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purserj:

hugolp: same around here

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gbee:

pat_: well when I was out in Melbourne in Winter, it was definately colder than the weather I left behind but that probably isn't typical

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pat_:

no, they go red the first day here

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juski:

the English on holiday are the same everywhere. that's why I try not to go where the typical English go ;)

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purserj:

gbee: melbourne is a lot closer to english weather

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purserj:

at least it used to be

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pat_:

really ought to buy myself a hot glue gun

[12:34:19]

pat_:

(just broke my thermometer)

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purserj:

ooh mercury fumes

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gbee:

purserj: melbourne is a lot closer to being on the same latitude as England, although southern New Zealand comes closest

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purserj:

yup

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purserj:

southern new zealand is also a lot closer to the great southern ocean

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** pat_ boggles as he comes across timo salmi's name **

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pat_:

haven't heard that name in 10 years or so

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gbee:

juski: I'm not doing anything in July (yet) so I've made a note

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hugolp:

juski: nothing wrong with coming to spain in summer. I would do it myself if I was english

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gbee:

I have the feeling that I'm meant to be doing something right now, but I've no idea what it is

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juski:

anyway gbee about LRL.. if I can get one or 2 more people interested in showing it'll prolly be a done deal, pending arranging gear for it

[12:37:57]

juski:

I think this time, a much more minimal setup is called for

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hugolp:

you get sun, cheaper than england relaxed laws, and drunken english girls looking for they holiday cock

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hugolp:

what else could you desire?

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hugolp:

XD

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juski:

hugolp: lol

[12:39:18]

juski:

don't feel the need to sugar-coat it now will you?

[12:39:55]

hugolp:

whats sugar-coat?

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juski:

I meant don't have to put it so nicely ;)

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gbee:

they sugar-coat pills to make them sweater and easier to swallow

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pat_:

gawd, garbo repository still lives

[12:40:38]

gbee:

literally, cover them in a sugar coating

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hugolp:

I get it

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gbee:

it's an expression – to sugar coat something, to make it sound nicer/better than it is

[12:41:15]

hugolp:

well, it is actually that way

[12:41:58]

juski:

if only it worked both ways, but it doesn't

[12:42:06]

gbee:

sweeter!, sweater wouldn't taste nicer at all

[12:43:31]

hugolp:

gbee the bookmarking thing I just did for recordings does it aply for mythvideo as well?

[12:44:02]

gbee:

hugolp: yes it should, although I'm not sure how well it works as I don't use mythvideo

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gbee:

only works if you use the internal player though

[12:46:21]

hugolp:

gbee I just discover that

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hugolp:

XD

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GreyFoxx:

it works fine for mythvideo, but as you said, only with internal player

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hugolp:

but can you use the internal player for mythvideo? whats the command line?

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gbee:

'internal'

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gbee:

without the quotes

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GreyFoxx:

And a capital I .... though that might not be required any more

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: if a capital I is required, then I'll fix that. It's silly little things like that which can make setup a pain

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juski:

note – not to be confused with the 'infernal' player

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Dagmar:

Yep. Definitely no realplayer support

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gbee:

juski: looking at the website for LRL, understand what you said about the minimal setup

[12:52:56]

juski:

couple of laptops & an lcd would be ideal, but I have none of the above

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gbee:

I can probably supply my laptop

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juski:

forget about tuners since there'll be no signal inside, so a backend lappy would be just the ticket

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hugolp:

no realplayer suport is not such a big deal, at least for me

[12:55:12]

hugolp:

and the ability to bookmark is great

[12:55:29]

gbee:

a nice 17–19" widescreen LCD would be good, but not too bulky to carry away

[12:55:56]

juski:

gbee: apparently there'll be a secure room for storage

[12:56:56]

hugolp:

This might be asking for too much, but is it posible to set a expiring date for the movie bookmarks?

[12:57:09]

juski:

how much are they these days anyway? nice 19" lcds?

[12:57:27]

gbee:

hugolp: only for DVDs at the moment

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Dagmar:

$400~

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hugolp:

juski: I got mine 22" widescreen screen for 230 euros

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hugolp:

1680x1050 8ms

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juski:

230 Euro? ooo

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hugolp:

looks great

[12:58:01]

hugolp:

Benq

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juski:

do they ship to the UK?

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Dagmar:

/whois hugolp

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hugolp:

juski: when I was in the Uk I boutht a couple of things from that internet shop that had very good prices

[12:58:46]

hugolp:

what was the naem

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hugolp:

?

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juski:

dabs?

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juski:

ebuyer?

[12:58:56]

hugolp:

cant remember

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hugolp:

they still send me an email

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Dagmar:

Well, shoot. I wanted to say something snarky about quality relative to Amsterdam standards but I'm coming up emtpy

[12:59:11]

hugolp:

ebuyer yeah

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juski:

my local place has a bunch of wide monitors for under 200GBP

[12:59:26]

hugolp:

I though I saw in the las email an 19 widescreen for 170 pounds

[12:59:30]

juski:

I could do with a 2nd monitor anyway

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juski:

and it's my birthday in July :)

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pat_:

just get a single 24" widescreen

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pat_:

1920x1200

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pat_:

(it's what I'm running, and since I changed from dual 17" I wouldn't go back)

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Dagmar:

I use a pair of CRTs because I want a desktop that can kill the downstairs neighbors in the event of an earthquake

[13:01:01]

juski:

Dagmar: you're so nice, always thinking about other people ;)

[13:01:05]

Dagmar:

They also ensure no one is going to steal the damn things

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pat_:

Dagmar: it *is* a crt! :)

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hugolp:

pat_: but thats double the price of my 22" inches 1680x1050 widescreen

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gbee:

might pick up an external HDD, if I use this laptop for exhibition purposes I don't want to be f'ing around with clearing space on the drive for recordings, then swapping everything back afterwards

[13:01:19]

hugolp:

at list in spain

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juski:

gbee: I've got a USB2 160GB HDD

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juski:

and a bunch of recordings I've been keeping for expo purposes

[13:02:12]

gbee:

juski: that ought to do it, if you can spare it ;)

[13:02:24]

juski:

yeah sure no probs

[13:02:32]

juski:

hmmm what's belinea gear like?

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juski:

2" Belinea 11 22 02 widescreen TFT monitor 5ms with speakers 1000:1 (3yrs Manufacturer's Warranty)

[13:03:03]

juski:

under £200, by nnot much

[13:03:13]

juski:

cut a 2 off.. it's 22"

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pat_:

oh, I was just going to say I've got a bigger than 2" screen on my camera

[13:03:43]

Dagmar:

I was thinking that perhaps "widescreen" was a bit of a misnomer with a 2" display

[13:03:45]

juski:

blech! no DVI input :(

[13:03:48]

hugolp:

and probably on your phone too

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hugolp:

XD

[13:03:56]

hugolp:

Dagmar: XD

[13:04:20]

juski:

you really need DVI on a flat panel monitor

[13:04:25]

hugolp:

juski: if you want DVI you have to go for the full HD and then it goes up to 400 euros

[13:04:39]

hugolp:

juski: vga is good for me

[13:04:59]

juski:

20" samsung for a touch over 200 GBP.. interesting

[13:05:57]

juski:

right I got me a goal. have to give up cigs in time for July 1st anyway, so screw it

[13:06:46]

hugolp:

Just to confirm there is no way to make bookmarks on video expire is it?

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GreyFoxx:

correct

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juski:

hugolp: nope

[13:07:26]

Dagmar:

Bookmarks are forever.

[13:07:33]

hugolp:

might be a nice and easy to implement future feature

[13:07:36]

Dagmar:

Just like real bookmarks

[13:07:38]

juski:

you could prolly make a cron job to do it if the database has a 'created' date on the bookmark column

[13:07:40]

gbee:

hugolp: It's already done for DVDs so would be hard to extend that to other bookmarks

[13:07:47]

hugolp:

Dagmar: just like marriage I got it

[13:08:11]

Dagmar:

No, because you can have a lot more than one bookmark in a book.

[13:08:19]

juski:

marriage? forever? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[13:08:22]

gbee:

of course DVD bookmarks are only supported in trunk

[13:08:26]

** juski has lost all hope **

[13:08:48]

juski:

I thought I might get off early for good behaviour

[13:08:54]

hugolp:

well, thats how marriage use to be anyway. No anymore

[13:09:01]

gbee:

heh

[13:09:14]

hugolp:

A 20 year marriage contract would be a lot better

[13:09:24]

Dagmar:

It hasn't been that way since a particular king of Britain

[13:09:40]

hugolp:

I think the clasical marriage contract is old fashion

[13:09:44]

hugolp:

XD

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gbee:

people didn't live as long the in the past, 20 years was a long marriage ;)

[13:11:16]

Dagmar:

Especially if the guy was married

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gbee:

:)

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** juski wants to be sick. The Times' rich list is out **

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briand:

good morning (or appropriate time-of-day in your milieu), all

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juski:

CEO of the company I work for is worth over £500m

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pat_:

I'm out of the loop, what does "XD" mean?

[13:17:00]

juski:

it means 'hello, I'm Emo'

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Nik_Doof:

lol

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hugolp:

XD

[13:17:29]

hugolp:

oh wait!

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pat_:

oh, some sort of lame arsed smiley for people who think :) is too old school

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pat_:

and with that I give up and go to bed

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juski:

looks more like an anime grin to me

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pat_:

I prefer the term "lame arsed smiley"

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stuarta:

afternoon all

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juski:

afternoon stuarta

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stuarta:

how's things this fine afternoon?

[13:30:35]

juski:

goodo. made good progress on my wizardy stuff

[13:30:50]

juski:

how was t'cricket?

[13:31:08]

stuarta:

good, then a farce...

[13:31:42]

stuarta:

umpires offered bad light, which sri lanka took, then we thought we'd won

[13:32:09]

stuarta:

then the umpires pointed out we hadn't won, and would everyone please come back and play the last 3 overs by moonlight

[13:32:22]

juski:

fancy a trip to wolverhampton in july? I know I said never again but hey it's fun

[13:32:38]

juski:

damn pesky vampires

[13:32:54]

stuarta:

hehe, what dates? i'll consult the diary

[13:33:11]

stuarta:

btw. did you get a chance to retest the export script?

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juski:

july 6th & 7th IIRC

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juski:

I'll take the exporty script for a spin now

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stuarta:

juski: have you installed the perl bindings?

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stuarta:

it's not installed by default IIRC

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juski:

ahh.. it's in the bindings dir of my -fixes checkout

[13:38:53]

stuarta:

yeah, figured there was no point reinventing the wheel, especially when there are functions in there to support the storage groups.

[13:39:52]

juski:

ah damnit I didn't build with perl bindings enabled

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juski:

wait a sec.. there's not a configure option for that

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stuarta:

no, just go into the dir and make install

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juski:

in the bindings dir?

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stuarta:

yeah.

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juski:

no rule to make target

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stuarta:

hmpf...

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** stuarta goes digging **

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juski:

got a bindings.pro file & a perl dir

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juski:

ah

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juski:

in the perl dir there's a Makefile.PL

[13:43:34]

juski:

woo Quality Hotel wolverhampton has single rooms for £33 per night

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juski:

inc. breakfast

[13:43:58]

Dagmar:

Who cares if the hooker gets breakfast

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stuarta:

nice. what they do doubles for?

[13:44:14]

juski:

£67 per night

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Dagmar:

stuarta is a bit greedy

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stuarta:

:-P

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juski:

novotel has doubles for £47.50

[13:45:37]

juski:

I think both of those prices are cheaper than the lugradio discount offer

[13:46:02]

stuarta:

i normally book these things through expedia.

[13:46:20]

juski:

I was looking on superbreaks.com

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stuarta:

when we go out with everyone for work we get the local hilton for < 40 quid

[13:46:43]

Nik_Doof:

67 for doubles? cool looks like i can afford to go :)

[13:46:43]

juski:

lugradio has better prices this time http://www.lugradio.org/live/2007/index.php/Accommodation

[13:47:24]

juski:

maybe I should suggest a 'mythtv widows' BOF

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juski:

they can compare notes & talk about uptimes.. or something

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juski:

right let's see what google says about this perl makefile

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juski:

ahhh!

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stuarta:

just run it

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juski:

done

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juski:

seems to be worky :)

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stuarta:

cool. my main concern was it didn't bitch about MythTV::StorageGroup which won't exist on 0.20

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juski:

yeah it ran ffmpeg, named & tagged the file correctly

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stuarta:

excellent. i'll go submit that then :)

[13:55:42]

juski:

gonna have to start writing a script to parse these xml files to populate xmltvids & cack

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juski:

hopefully this year the expo fun won't stall progress of the wizard

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briand:

I *think* I've got all the edits done for the remake of the 3104 patches. let's see if it compiles (and works!), then we can pass this back off to gbee ;)

[13:58:26]

juski:

time for an xbox break

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juski:

and later, will give my svn dustbin a spin with xbmc.. see how the upnp has come along :)

[14:00:40]

hugolp:

juski: if I want to colaborate tranlating myth to catalan (also could do spanish) who do I have to talk to?

[14:00:47]

hugolp:

There are some parts missing

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gbee:

hugolp: just go ahead and do the missing bits (Q Linguist) and submit a patch

[14:03:04]

gbee:

but check trunk first to make sure it hasn't already been done

[14:03:16]

stuarta:

hugolp: just download svn head, edit away, and submit tickets to oscar

[14:03:38]

hugolp:

and where's the svn?

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gbee:

Oscar handles committing translations, but there really isn't any coordinating to do

[14:03:44]

gbee:

svn.mythtv.org

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hugolp:

thanks

[14:06:33]

briand:

this would go a lot quicker without the typos...

[14:07:00]

stuarta:

you don't have to make things hard for yourself :)

[14:07:26]

briand:

it seems that I already have done so... late, late last night....

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briand:

not a real problem, tho... `make` has a way of rooting those typos out, post haste

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quicksilver:

The Wiki talks about 'Edit Keys' under utilities/setup, to create jump point keys

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quicksilver:

I don't seem to have Edit Keys?

[14:14:10]

juski:

you need mythcontrols installed

[14:14:20]

quicksilver:

Aha! Thanks.

[14:16:41]

chuk:

if you do an svn update

[14:16:45]

chuk:

can you just do a make

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chuk:

or do you have to make clean first

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Dagmar:

`make naughty`

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stuarta:

chuk: you can just do make, but if the changes are big, out configure is touched, or you are getting weird errors, then a make distclean, configure & make is required

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stuarta:

s/out/or

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chuk:

yeah, I guess I never could figure out if changes were "big" enough or not

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chuk:

full compile takes forever on this box

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chuk:

looking to cut corners

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stuarta:

ccache

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Dagmar:

The naughty target throws out stale files and then gratuitously touches all the source files.

[14:21:02]

Dagmar:

;)

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stuarta:

!trout Dagmar silly

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** MythLogBot slaps Dagmar with a silly trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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gbee:

317 tickets – seems, like for every ticket we close, 3 more spring up in it's place

[14:24:20]

a5benwillis:

Anybody seen lircd.conf files for other remotes besides the Hogpog and twinhan??

[14:24:23]

chuk:

I'm a little confused on how mythvideo works with dvd's

[14:24:25]

Dagmar:

Hey I had a thing in the dbs to do that but I had to rename it because I figured people would complain

[14:24:37]

chuk:

lets say I rip one of my dvd's to an NFS share

[14:24:42]

a5benwillis:

I hate this twinhan

[14:24:48]

chuk:

I have 1 be and 3 fe's

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chuk:

I use one of the fe's to get IMBD data, etc

[14:25:01]

chuk:

will the other 2 see that?

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chuk:

or do I have to repeat it on each one

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stuarta:

gbee: trying to decide if i should just submit 3374

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stuarta:

just started up a backend with it.

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Le0ric:

hi

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Le0ric:

i have a question is there a plugin for mythtv that creats a webinterface so i can programm my records over internet?

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Dagmar:

I dunno

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Dagmar:

THat sounds pretty arcane

[14:28:26]

Dagmar:

Have you looked at the wiki?

[14:28:46]

stuarta:

that sounds like mythweb to me

[14:29:07]

Le0ric:

mythweb a plugin or allready in mythtv?

[14:29:47]

maek:

should I set the resolution in my xorg.conf to what I think the res of my tv is?

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stuarta:

it lives with the plugins, but must be install under apache

[14:30:04]

Dagmar:

maek: That depends.

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maek:

Dagmar: on? im a bit losted on setting up the picture and I have a massive amount of underscan.

[14:30:33]

Dagmar:

maek: You'll get a sharper picture on most nVidia cards if you overshoot to 1024x768

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Le0ric:

stuarta thx =)

[14:31:06]

maek:

Dagmar: ok, Thats what I have done. I have nVidia.

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Dagmar:

I'm *sure* I will get angry emails from people about the LCARS theme now, btw

[14:31:28]

Dagmar:

Those people running in 640x480 will be *pissed*

[14:32:18]

Dagmar:

The font sizes I'm using are _utterly_ unreadable at 640x480

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maek:

Dagmar: but then when trying to fix my underscan, I am changing the gui size and the x-y axis its letting me set the res to 1024x768. I thought my screen was only able to to 720x480 – SDTV crt

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sebrock_:

hey guys, I got LCDproc running now but I need to start it at boot?

[14:32:59]

Dagmar:

maek: For one thing, horizontal res doesn't really matter since it's a continuous scan line, not pixels

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briand:

sebrock_: there should be example init scripts included with LCDproc

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Dagmar:

maek: For the other thing, if you set the nVidia card to use a higher resolution than the TV will display (but that it will still support as TV out) the nVidia card's hardware will rescale the images for you.

[14:34:24]

Dagmar:

As to the overscan/underscan issue, you use nvidia-settings to adjust that

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maek:

Dagmar: ok, so that must be whats happening. so I should just set horizontal pixel size to what ever fits my tv to solve the underscan.

[14:34:42]

maek:

Dagmar: oh, I should not be using the settings in myth?

[14:34:49]

Dagmar:

Not really, no.

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maek:

Dagmar: ok thank you.

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Dagmar:

You *can* but it's not necessary since nVidia has a control for how much overscan/underscan to cause to happen

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maek:

ok, ill use that tool instead.

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maek:

one more question. I have under "manage recordings" the 6 "test" shows I recorded last night. but only 1 is showing up under "watch recorded tv" but they are all in the /var/lib/mythtv/recordings dir.

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juski:

jees how many times has that question come up this weekend?

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Dagmar:

juski: About once or so an hour

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maek:

sorry :(

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Dagmar:

maek: That's likely the card, and no we don't have those

[14:39:08]

Dagmar:

Dig around and you can find reference videos onlin

[14:39:21]

maek:

thanks.

[14:39:27]

Dagmar:

The main issue is probably just that the nVidia card is sending out a signal that's slightly too "hot" for broadcast

[14:39:34]

sebrock_:

briand, sure but which script should I use, there are plenty

[14:40:01]

Dagmar:

You may note that on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/images/0/04/Cheatsheet.png the black is not (0,0,0) and the white is not (255,255,255) for this very reason

[14:40:24]

Dagmar:

I sent an email to nVidia asking if they'd looked at what their NTSC setting is really doing, but no response yet

[14:40:54]

briand:

sebrock_: you use the one appropriate for your OS. :)

[14:40:58]

Dagmar:

If I'd been setting the output to NTSC-J I could see it mucking with my TV, but I'm not

[14:41:18]

sebrock_:

briand, ubuntu thats debian I guess, but still under debian there are a lot of scripts

[14:41:41]

Dagmar:

Well, time to go back to pruning the cables in the racks

[14:41:54]

Dagmar:

I've another 20 or so to just plain _cut_ today

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Dagmar:

I'm going to take the remainder and make a cat5-o-nine tails to beat the crap out of the next engineer I catch running cables without markers on each end

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stuarta:

it will however be quite entertaining :)

[14:49:58]

juski:

ugh! nero showtime can't deinterlace for toffee!

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maek:

Dagmar: thats always a good way to test and see if the service/application is really as important as they think. I had to justify turning off these 2 servers and the customer says "no no no" so i pulled the ethernet cable, and 4 days later they said something. I won. Good luck.

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Le0ric:

a nother question mythtv without plugins is just able to recorde and schedule tv programs? or am i wrong?

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gbee:

juski: just remembered I've got family coming over from Oz in July, I'll have to check the dates though to see if it clashes with LRL

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gbee:

Le0ric: record, schedule, watch, transcode, commflag

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Le0ric:

what does transcode and commflag mean? :x

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Le0ric:

big thx=)

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sebrock_:

anybody using Hauppauge HVR-1300 with mythtv?

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maek:

any one know why the left side of my picture is "wavy" and the right side is perfectly straight?

[15:19:22]

juski:

maek: the left few pixels?

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maek:

juski: no the whole left side, its wavy like the traditional siloute of a curvy women or something.

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juski:

sebrock_: the digital part should work without any problems. the analogue side on the other hand... hope you're good with compiling

[15:20:10]

maek:

the border of the picture/image is wavy

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juski:

maek: what tuner card?

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maek:

pvr500

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sebrock_:

juski, its the analog part I have to get going right now :D

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maek:

juski: but this is in the mythtv gui as well. not just on playback.

[15:20:54]

juski:

sebrock_: #v4l or #linuxtv

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juski:

maek: so your tv out is poo

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sebrock_:

am there

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juski:

sebrock_: so be patient

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juski:

those guys are the life blood of video devices in linux & are always busy

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maek:

juski: ok. seem strange that 1 side is perfect and the other isnt. maybe the TV is poop

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juski:

maek: try a different cable from the tvout to the tv

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juski:

or a different tv

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maek:

I only have the one cable, and one tv. im going to hook the dvd player up to the tv and see what happens. thanks.

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juski:

maek: it could be that you have the tvout of the VGA card set to the wrong video standard & your tv is struggling

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maek:

ntsc is all can imagine it would be.

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maek:

juski: but I will try and figure out how to look at that. thank you.

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TSCHAK:

my god, I had forgotten how badly Airplane II sucked.

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juski:

shirley you can't be serious

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GreyFoxx:

don't call me shirley

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juski:

the old ones are still the best :)

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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juski:

I'm still waiting for a line that has me rolling around on the floor like "nice beaver you've got there" the first time I ever watched 'the naked gun'

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TSCHAK:

that's the first one

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TSCHAK:

hehehe

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TSCHAK:

the first one was great

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TSCHAK:

but man... the second one was so recycled :-P

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juski:

was 2 the one with the space shuttle?

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TSCHAK:

yes.

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juski:

I always think that one's airplane 3

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TSCHAK:

"We have to blow the computer." "Blow Rok?" "*ping!*"

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juski:

yeh well when it comes to Zucker & whatsisname, you always know what you're gonna get. some laughs & a lot of lame puns

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TSCHAK:

yeah, the irony is, they didn't write the second one :-P

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TSCHAK:

now, Hot Shots........

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TSCHAK:

:-P

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TSCHAK:

"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffin glue!"

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juski:

time to exercise my perl-fu again

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maek:

can someone point me somewhere that shows how and what I need to use the MS media center remote?

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juski:

wiki.mythtv.org :)

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juski:

why don't you lot search the wiki more often? it's there for you

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maek:

juski: I search but cant find it. is lirc what drives the remote?

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juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote

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maek:

thanks. what did you search for to find that?

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juski:

mce remote

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stuarta:

later all, see you tomorrow....

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maek:

bah, sorry. I was up way to late working on this, and it called to me again at 6am "get me working" it said. thank you.

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maek:

bye

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** TSCHAK wants to use a tablet as a remote :-D **

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TSCHAK:

hehe

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** juski suggests some people might like to try a remote as a suppository **

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hugolp:

juski: sounds fun, give me a how to and I ll tell you how it went. Ill give you pictures

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gardengnome:

i bet that stuff is in the wiki already

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gardengnome:

next to the linuxmce howto

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hugolp:

gardengnome: you dont like linuxmce?

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hugolp:

by the way, theres something going on in my ubuntu feisty mythtv back end

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gardengnome:

hugolp: never tried it actually. it sounds to good to be working on my hardware

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hugolp:

it just keeps on wanting more and more memory until it crashes

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hugolp:

gardengnome: still has some issues but they are working on it

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TSCHAK:

gardengnome, the only intensive part is the UI2, which is medium to heavy on the opengl

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TSCHAK:

gardengnome, but you can use UI1 instead, which is nowhere near as intensive.

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juski:

I don't like the look of that cube stuff. seems to slow things down & it's really not all that pretty

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gardengnome:

hugolp, TSCHAK: i will not be relying on someone else's "hacks" for critial stuff like my VCR, PBX or something else.

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TSCHAK:

okay, your call.

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hugolp:

gardengnome: thats fine with me too

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hugolp:

by the way I am having trouble with my ubuntu feisty back end

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hugolp:

When I do something and then stop, the RAM wont get free

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tank-man:

free? how do you know it if not free?

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hugolp:

and it just goes on using more and more RAM until it crashes

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S2:

hugolp, that's normal. it's how it works on linux.

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S2:

hugolp, that's not normal. but the crash may not be related to your ram.

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tank-man:

bad ram?

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hugolp:

tank-man: I go and start clean. I start the front end on another computer and chec information. The server uses 300 Mbytes

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hugolp:

RAM

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hugolp:

then I wathc live tv and go back to the menu

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hugolp:

it uses 800MB

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S2:

hugolp, how do you check that? with free?

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hugolp:

then I go and watch a movie and it uses 1.3 gigs

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tank-man:

used as in cached?

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hugolp:

and then it may crash or it may let me do something else

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hugolp:

tank-man: I am just talking about the information it gives in mythtv

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tank-man:

oh

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hugolp:

what? thtats not acurate or representative?

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hugolp:

the point is that theres something going on because after some use the back end just crashes

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tank-man:

something out of the ordinary in the backend logs?

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hugolp:

tank-man: there are a lot of errors saying Error trying to auto expire. File doesnt exist. The metada wont be removed from database

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hugolp:

I havent touch the recordings folder

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EnderTheThird:

How do I enter the 2nd Tuner into MythTV for the PVR 500?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

same way you entered the first

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tank-man:

hugolp, do those files actually exist that it is trying to delete?

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Dagmar:

yaaay me

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Dagmar:

I just managed to disrupt personal fileshares for about 7,000 people

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Dagmar:

@#$@$!

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Dagmar:

I am going to beat the living crap out of the next engineer I catch threading any more cables through these racks.

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hugolp:

tank-man: no, it doesnt

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tank-man:

i'm not familiar with mysql, but you should probably fix it

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hugolp:

tank-man: there are 67 categories in mythconverg

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hugolp:

you know where do I have to start looking?

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tank-man:

no

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tank-man:

i would suggest learning mysql or just make a dummy file with those filenames and let them auto-expire/delette

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Dagmar:

dummy files ftw

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Dagmar:

`touch missingfilename.mpg`

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hugolp:

Dagmar: whats ftw?

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Dagmar:

Are you *that* new to IRC?

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hugolp:

I am inside mysql but just cant find where that information is stored

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Dagmar:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ftw

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hugolp:

dagmar I am spanish. I am not used to english in chats

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Dagmar:

Yes, well, diddling the mysql tables is the stupid/thick-skulled way to go about it

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Dagmar:

hugolp: That's fine because FTW is in Engrish, not English.

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hugolp:

I like to do stupid things I guess

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Dagmar:

Copy the filename it complains about. Cd to the recordings directory. Type "touch " and then paste the filename. Hit enter.

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scant:

is there a way to setup my mythtv game players through a text file rather than through the mythtv frontend?

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hugolp:

what does touch do?

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GreyFoxx:

scant: no

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Dagmar:

`man touch`. You really need to read that one.

[16:47:39]

Dagmar:

touch is one of those "you must know how to use this ludicrously simple tool" things

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scant:

GreyFoxx: are there any alternatives to setting up mythtv game players?

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Dagmar:

The man page is _very_ short

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GreyFoxx:

scant: other than directly in mysql, no

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GreyFoxx:

It's mysql or the frontend interface

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hugolp:

dagmar why do I need to change the date of the file?

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Dagmar:

You don't.

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GreyFoxx:

hugolp: If the file doesn't exist it will create it

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Dagmar:

Touch CREATES files

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hugolp:

then why touch?

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scant:

GreyFoxx: is it difficult to do it in mysql?

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Dagmar:

Becuase if it FINDS a file there it will DELETE it and then STOP FUSSING

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GreyFoxx:

scant: Why not use the frontend ?

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hugolp:

ok

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hugolp:

touch creates files

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a5benwillis:

WOOHOO, finally got multiple tuners working.

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Dagmar:

You see how this is the ultra-simple solutiong to the issue now?

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hugolp:

yes

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scant:

GreyFoxx: i have installation scripts, i would like my game players to be restored easily, i haven't learned how mythbackup works yet

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hugolp:

but my catalan help didnt say touch would create a file

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hugolp:

it said that it would actualize the date of a file

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GreyFoxx:

scant: Just learn how to do a mysql dump and dump the gameplayers table

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tank-man:

does both

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hugolp:

thats why I ask you what I ask you

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GreyFoxx:

mysqldump -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg gameplayers > gameplayers.sql

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GreyFoxx:

then later

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GreyFoxx:

mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg < gameplayers.sql

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a5benwillis:

Question: Can I put a password on certian channels in myth or am I limited to ratings?

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scant:

GreyFoxx: thanks very much

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GreyFoxx:

though depending on the version of mysql dump you might need to add a drop table line in there, but if it's recent the dump should already include it

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hugolp:

the catalan translator of ubuntu or linux needs some new english lessons

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scant:

GreyFoxx: drop table line? I'm using .20-fixes svn branch

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scant:

GreyFoxx: opps, just .20-fixes branch

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GreyFoxx:

I'm talking ab out the version of mysql, not myth

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GreyFoxx:

some versions of mysqldump include a line to make sure that if the table that you are importing exists then it will remove it and then do the import/create

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GreyFoxx:

Older versions required you to do that manually

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scant:

GreyFoxx: around what version did it change?

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GreyFoxx:

4.1 and up I think

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gbee:

hugolp: actually the main purpose of touch _is_ to update the access or modification times of a file

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gbee:

hugolp: as a side effect, if you give it the name of a file that doesn't exist it will create that file

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hugolp:

ok gbee now it makes sense

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gbee:

most people use it as a quick way to create an empty file

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gbee:

but that wasn't what it was meant to be used for

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juski:

hmm something very wrong with this xml file

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juski:

tatters: I'm sure you've asked about this before

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tatters:

Nope not I

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juski:

read the 'troubleshooting audio' section of the mythtv.org docs

[17:10:14]

juski:

mythtv is recording all the audio & video from your tv card. so if the line input on your soundcard isn't muted, you'll see the picture is behind the sound

[17:10:41]

juski:

and if you get no sound when you mute the line input, make sure it's selected to be recorded in the linux mixer

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tatters:

k, thnx

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juski:

as for the 'slow' picture quality.. your machine isn't fast enough to keep up with encoding TV in software. should've bought a proper tuner card

[17:12:18]

tatters:

Well it runs fine in tvtime and aver application

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juski:

and before you mention again that tvtime looks great – tvtime isn't recording anything to your HDD. mythtv is and you can't stop it doing that – because mythtv is a PVR

[17:13:31]

juski:

I tried using a framegrabber on my athlon 800 once. oh boy. never again

[17:14:10]

tatters:

I treid a few PVR software in window and linux and can pause rewind live TV no problem

[17:14:46]

juski:

so you should try adjusting some settings like tank-man says

[17:15:16]

juski:

change the recording profile for livetv & 'default' to mjpeg from mpeg4 (which is the default on all recording profiles)

[17:15:38]

juski:

it'll eat up loads more diskspace but it'll be less heavy on the CPU

[17:16:24]

Hugol1:

what does "MainServer::HandleAnnounce Monitor" means in the back end log?

[17:16:24]

juski:

and now you've learned a valuable lesson – you should have bought a hauppauge pvr card to record analogue tv :)

[17:16:46]

tatters:

I got a hauppage wintv usb :)

[17:16:52]

tatters:

its rubbish lol

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tank-man:

geemark, are you using alsa?

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tatters:

And a terratec tv card

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tatters:

I wanna trade em all in for a decent digital card

[17:17:31]

geemark:

tank-man, yes

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Hugol1:

my wintv -nova-t-500 is allright

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tank-man:

geemark, do you have mythtv setup to use alsa?

[17:17:53]

tatters:

yah I think prob is its usb 1

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Hugol1:

please, what does "MainServer::HandleAnnounce Monitor" means in the back end log?

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geemark:

ok, will do, thanks

[17:20:38]

murray:

heys .

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murray:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Eject_Button says I can edit /usr/share/mythtv/dvdmenu.xml

[17:20:56]

murray:

but having done so, the changes don't appear to take

[17:20:59]

Hugol1:

Now my mythtv would do everything except of watching live tv, though it sais the turners are free

[17:21:01]

murray:

I've restarted mythfrontend

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murray:

ideas?

[17:21:28]

Hugol1:

I am checking the back end front end and sais "MainServer::HandleAnnounce Monitor"

[17:21:35]

Hugol1:

what does that mean?

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tatters:

If I got an option to enable PVR -350 mpeg Decoder does that mean my card has hardware decoding?

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gardengnome:

tatters: is your card a PVR 350?

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tank-man:

lol

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quicksilver:

NICE. I think this jumppoints stuff (and a decent remote control config) is going to improve the WAF no end

[17:27:53]

tatters:

Dunno, its a avermedia tv studio card

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quicksilver:

Funny that I've spent months using myth without ever really learning how to configure it

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Dagmar:

Then it's _not_ a PVR-350

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gbee:

quicksilver: I've got home, music, video, tv buttons on my remote bound to relevant jumppoints – it's much nicer than navigating around

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gardengnome:

questions like that make me wanna drink

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quicksilver:

gbee: that's just what i have done :)

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quicksilver:

gbee: and it is indeed nicer...

[17:30:49]

quicksilver:

Hmm. I don't really have a good button to bind to 'O' (OSD) in livetv

[17:31:23]

quicksilver:

I'd have a lot more buttons if I could make the analog joypad work....

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gardengnome:

analog joypad? on your remote?

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gardengnome:

is it an ATI remote?

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gbee:

gardengnome: I've already started

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quicksilver:

No, it's a iMON

[17:32:48]

gardengnome:

gbee: good idea. i've got some nice beer, but i'd better wait for dinner to settle down

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quicksilver:

gardengnome: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Imon_pad.jpg

[17:33:17]

gardengnome:

quicksilver: nifty. does it usually act like a mouse?

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quicksilver:

gardengnome: it would do under windows, I imagine

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quicksilver:

gardengnome: the default lirc drivers don't have mouse support for it, though

[17:33:42]

EnderTheThird:

Can anyone tell me where the files are saved if I use MythTranscode from within the FE?

[17:33:45]

murray:

is there something I need to do to make edits to /usr/share/mythtv/dvdmenu.xml appear in the front end?

[17:33:47]

quicksilver:

gardengnome: there are patches floating around

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murray:

EnderTheThird : have to looked in /var/lib/mythtv/*

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Super_Cat_FRog:

hi – can anybody recommend a good mpeg2 encoding analog pci-express tv card that will work with mythtv and tvtime on a dual core box?

[17:34:24]

murray:

^ have you looked ...

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EnderTheThird:

murray: no dice. I checked the folder that I have set for Videos too (I don't use /var/lib/mythtv/videos)

[17:35:38]

murray:

sorry ... bit newbie here .. still learning the ropes

[17:36:13]

murray:

EnderTheThird : which folder are you using for recordings?

[17:36:24]

murray:

anything in there?

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EnderTheThird:

same thing, no transcoded files for the show

[17:37:11]

EnderTheThird:

just the original .mpeg which is 5+ GB

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murray:

EnderTheThird : sorry, can't help then :(

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EnderTheThird:

I should just set up a transcoding for job #1 or something

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EnderTheThird:

Wow, I forgot how terrible SDTV looks

[17:42:03]

EnderTheThird:

Would most of you recommend the HDHomeRun for a dual HD tuner setup? I have 2 HD-5500's but they're expensive (250 vs 170 for HDHR) and they keep competing as primary sound device in Ubuntu and I only get corect sound 25% of the time when i restart

[17:42:49]

gardengnome:

you could solve that problem ;)

[17:43:16]

Hugolp:

gardengnome: but buying new stuff its a lot more fun

[17:43:17]

Hugolp:

XD

[17:44:02]

EnderTheThird:

Saving $80 is a lot more fun

[17:48:23]

Hugolp:

what's these? Message from syslogd@server at Sun Apr 29 19:47:06 2007 ...

[17:48:23]

Hugolp:

server kernel: [ 1363.280000] Oops: 0002 [#3]

[17:48:33]

Hugolp:

I get that when trying to watch tv

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quicksilver:

is there a list of mythfrontend -v 'foo' flags?

[17:55:33]

murray:

mythfrontend -v help

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murray:

?

[17:55:36]

** quicksilver nods :) **

[17:55:41]

quicksilver:

I was just about to say that :)

[17:55:46]

quicksilver:

mythfrontend -v blkjhljkh

[17:55:50]

quicksilver:

in fact did the trick :)

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hexxington:

seems the backend crashes during periods of low reception when recording from my top-up card (regardless of whether the CAM is actually in use or not)

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gbee:

backtrace

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directhex:

need to rebuild with debug enabled. hang on

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directhex:

any other debug symbols of value, e.g. qt?

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vegeats:

Does anyone have a working firewire hd set up?

[18:40:10]

maek:

is it possible to edit the channels with out having to run mythbackend setup?

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Hugol1:

maek dont think so

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goreguts:

so i almost have everything set up, but i don't have sound when watching my recordings

[18:43:38]

maek:

Hugol1: just found out you can do it with mythweb thats a sweet plugin

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goreguts:

is there somewhere where i have to set up the sound? it works in mplayer

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juski:

wow. since I got an option in mythtv-setup for all these different kinds of tuners, does that mean my shitty ati card can be all those things in one?

[18:48:53]

tank-man:

i would guess it means that mythtv/linux has support for all those different kinds of tuners

[18:49:16]

tank-man:

goreguts, yes there is somewhere you hyave to setup the sound

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gardengnome:

MythLogBot: info

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Hugol1:

maek I dont have it

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Hugol1:

but good for you

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russellb:

can you escape the &?

[18:58:48]

juski:

probably, but that's a pain

[18:58:57]

russellb:

heh

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achew22:

has there been any progress on MythNetTV as of late??

[18:59:27]

murray:

juski try x26

[18:59:39]

murray:

( x 26 minus the spaces )

[19:00:22]

juski:

murray: also a pain

[19:00:30]

russellb:

xml is silly

[19:00:33]

juski:

I need to keep the ascii text as plain ascii

[19:02:54]

murray:

is there (where is) a setting to control the amount "skip back", aka < jumps back when watching a recorded video?

[19:03:09]

juski:

yup

[19:03:18]

juski:

playback groups in mythfrontend

[19:03:46]

murray:

ahh .. ta ... the various setting options are not (to me) very intuative

[19:03:47]

murray:

:(

[19:04:11]

chuk:

I have a weird problem playing back recorded shows

[19:04:15]

chuk:

if I am watching the show live

[19:04:17]

chuk:

its a HD show

[19:04:20]

chuk:

and I press record

[19:04:27]

chuk:

it will record fine, and I can watch it finfd

[19:04:29]

chuk:

fine

[19:04:45]

chuk:

if I try to watch it from the "watch recordings" its horrible choppy with tons of prebuffer errors

[19:05:00]

juski:

achew22: haven't seen anything posted about it on the mailing list lately

[19:09:19]

juski:

for fuck's sake! even if I change the tags to <channel name="foobar & boofar"> it's still puking

[19:09:32]

murray:

& is a reserved char in xml

[19:09:43]

juski:

lame

[19:09:47]

juski:

LAME

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gardengnome:

suppose you can escape it

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juski:

ok so I'll just parse the files & not use xml::simple

[19:10:12]

juski:

easy

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gbee:

do html entities extend to xml? e.g &

[19:10:15]

juski:

screw it

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murray:

I believe not, but I could be wrong gbee

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murray:

x26 works tho, albeit a litlte unreadable

[19:11:17]

gbee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_XML_and_ . . . ities_in_XML

[19:11:19]

AndyCap:

& should work

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juski:

I'll try &amp

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juski:

I don't want to reinvent the wheel since xml::simple makes life so much easier

[19:11:58]

gbee:

juski, when you've done compiling the xml, do a search/replace to switch & for &

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AndyCap:

If I publish any copyrighted material I'll name it

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juski:

I've got the structure just about ready. I need to make a script to insert all the xmltvids & stuff automagically

[19:13:32]

juski:

that'll help me get the ball rolling on the rest of the wizard

[19:13:48]

juski:

and just fyi, xml::simple didn't like &amp either

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AndyCap:

you did do & not &amp right?

[19:14:40]

juski:

ah no

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juski:

heheh thanks! fixed it

[19:15:44]

juski:

still human readable.. just ;)

[19:16:11]

juski:

thank $deity there are only 5 reserved chars in xml

[19:16:40]

quicksilver:

You can do something like <!#CDATA> too

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quicksilver:

but I'm no XML expert

[19:17:46]

AndyCap:

I bet there's something on cpan for it. :P

[19:18:11]

murray:

key binds: Context/Actions : What does binding Global->DOWN to 'Down' achieve exactly?

[19:20:42]

gardengnome:

murray: i suppose it's related to how you navigate through the menus. like, moving down.

[19:20:53]

gbee:

murray: menu nav

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gardengnome:

gbee: i've finally given in

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murray:

hmm ... so I want to override Down in TV Playback to control the volume, and it says this may conflict with the global bindings ... but I don't see how it can hurt, and it seems to work, so ....

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gbee:

it's just a warning

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gbee:

using down prevents you using down for browse mode and in the osd menu, but if you don't mind that then ...

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Hugol1:

gbee if I have a dvb-t card it doesnt have decoding because the signal it gets its allredy mpeg-2 right?

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gbee:

hugol1: correct

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Hugol1:

so then, does it have a maximum resolution?

[19:24:40]

Hugol1:

that it can handle I mean

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murray:

me no understand, but it seems to work ...

[19:24:57]

Hugol1:

or it will just server what it gets, whatever the resolution

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Hugol1:

murray: what you loose is that hiting down when you are watching a video it will go 10 minutes back

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Hugol1:

you wont be able to do taht

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Hugol1:

thats it

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gbee:

hugol1: in theory there is no maximum resultion, although it can be limited by the size of the stream you're unlikely to hit that limit with any broadcast I can imagine

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gbee:

resolution

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murray:

Hugol1 : ta :) I can live with that – I'm experimenting with the apple remote, so I only have 6 buttons

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Hugol1:

gbee thanks, thats what I though. then whats all this fuzz about HD cards?

[19:26:46]

Hugol1:

what do people want them for?

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juski:

AndyCap: can you have a quick look at http://www.pastebin.ca/464865 & tell me if that looks like valid xml to you... my idea is to have loads of <channel>fdshfgdshfgjhfghdj</channel> entries

[19:27:01]

murray:

and until I figure out if/how I can use that to swtich "modes", to issues different commands (not somethign I think I can do inside Myth), I'm just going to be stuck with very limited controls :)

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gbee:

hugol1: I assume analogue HDTV

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Hugol1:

gbee analog will close in a couple of years whats the point on putting your money in there? I just dont get it

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Tanthrix:

Analog HDTV? Does that exist?

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gbee:

hugol1, Tanthrix: *shrug*

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Hugol1:

analog tv is in reality mixed analog and digital technology

[19:28:51]

Hugol1:

analog has lines

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Hugol1:

so its in part digital

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juski:

there are no consumer level analogue HD tuners

[19:29:16]

Hugol1:

and has frames as well

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** gbee goes back to his beer and TV **

[19:30:51]

Hugol1:

gbee theres never nothing interesting in TV

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juski:

arghhh! the 5k1nz for mythtv have arrived! :( http://www.hidebehind.com/DE005F

[19:32:32]

juski:

and http://www.hidebehind.com/00DC22

[19:33:03]

Hugol1:

whats that about?

[19:33:11]

gardengnome:

it's the chosen skin

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juski:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5537

[19:33:40]

juski:

like I said, teh 5k1nz have arriv3d

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juski:

time to hard-code all the themes

[19:34:09]

juski:

muhahahaha

[19:34:24]

Hugol1:

juski: he just did a not so beautiful theme

[19:34:29]

Hugol1:

whats wrong?

[19:34:39]

AndyCap:

juski: in theroy, yes.

[19:34:44]

gardengnome:

Hugol1: juski enjoys being a bitter bastard for our entertainment. ;)

[19:34:50]

Hugol1:

oh yes

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gardengnome:

AndyCap: who is theroy?

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Hugol1:

I allways forget his sarcasm

[19:35:08]

juski:

well, I'll give the lad this though.. it didn't make me want to blow chunks ;)

[19:35:10]

AndyCap:

juski: I guess you'd want an xml declaration etc.

[19:35:26]

juski:

AndyCap: if that's all it's missing, that's fine by me :)

[19:35:52]

AndyCap:

juski: how's the packages tag going to work?

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juski:

Hugol1: how could anybody possibly forget my sarcasm ?

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AndyCap:

juski: have <package>blah</package> tags in it?

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Hugol1:

because I am not english and half the time you say something you thing is very very clever I just dont get it

[19:36:26]

juski:

AndyCap: it'll be a field containing stuff like X, M, XL – or M, XL ...

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juski:

commas are allowed AFAIK

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Hugol1:

and, also, not being able to see your face or hear your tone has something to do as well ;)

[19:37:20]

juski:

be glad you can't see my face

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juski:

;)

[19:37:31]

Hugol1:

hehe

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gardengnome:

we all are.

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Hugol1:

well have some pro evolution soccer to do with some friends

[19:37:55]

Hugol1:

cu

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AndyCap:

juski: I'd probably tag it, but it does get very verbose then

[19:38:01]

juski:

oh! those ladies at the top of the screen aren't part of the theme screenshot :-P

[19:38:11]

gardengnome:

Hugol1: i'm not english either, but that didn't prevent this channel from turning me into a bitter bastard as well ;)

[19:38:14]

Hugol1:

juski I know they were the only good part

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Hugol1:

juski and you know what the links after the girls wasnt even porn

[19:38:54]

juski:

gardengnome: I can't be all that bitter. I mean I might be taking mythtv on the road again

[19:38:58]

Hugol1:

it was some cool cool youth stupidity and bikini about page

[19:39:18]

Hugol1:

gardengnome: Ill take that as an advice

[19:39:20]

Hugol1:

XD

[19:39:30]

Hugol1:

ok now I have to go

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Hugol1:

bye

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goreguts:

you guys know how i can find where my sound is in /dev

[19:41:06]

goreguts:

i tried the 3 different things that were in /dev/snd

[19:41:20]

goreguts:

sound works in mplayer, but not in the mythtv player

[19:41:24]

gardengnome:

what did you do to them?

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goreguts:

i put them in the mythtv sound setup thing

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gardengnome:

just put "ALSA:default" in there, and "default" for the mixer

[19:42:34]

goreguts:

ohh, ok let me try that

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** gardengnome goes back to beating the **** out of his nforce2 main board **

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goreguts:

hmm thats not working either

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maek:

is there a way to launch the mythbackend-config from inside the mythtv frontend gui?

[19:51:05]

juski:

nope

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maek:

juski: thanks

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achew22:

does the wiki have anything about getting alsa sound working in myth?

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goreguts:

these are the errors i get when i use ALSA:default in the sound setup: http://pastebin.ca/464922

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juski:

myth uses alsa by default IIRC

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achew22:

hrm... then I have a problem with ALSA

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achew22:

whatever — I'm going to go play with that bye all — as always it was fun!

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goreguts:

how does mplayer know where the sound card is? because it works in that, but not the mythtv player

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Since when? Last I tlooked it defaulted to oss

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juski:

GreyFoxx: heh. I thought it always used alsa. always just worked for me (tm) anyway, so I've never had to bother messing with it

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directhex:

how handy, it's already built with --compile-type=debug

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gardengnome:

how ironic. i've ordered a vga card for my new mythtv box tonight. one hour later, the onboard NIC decides to stop working. awesome.

[20:08:58]

GreyFoxx:

HAzza! looks like some of the QAM channels I found are the interactive ondemand channels....they only have content when someone in my area is watching one and they can be rewround since I just saw them rewind/fastforward it hehe

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: that's sick. :)

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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juski:

gardengnome: do you wear a lot of nylon clothing or something? how much stuff have you killed?

[20:10:55]

GreyFoxx:

I wondered why off and on I would find movies on them, but quite often just black video

[20:11:09]

GreyFoxx:

and now I can see someone skipping around in this one and hopping from show to show

[20:11:12]

gardengnome:

juski: <3 cotton. it's just the NIC that doesn't show up in lspci anymore. i probably killed it when i installed a new hard drive. it'

[20:11:19]

gardengnome:

s even enabled in the BIOS :(

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juski:

ok so I fixed the sky.xml file.. now my virgin_ntl.xml is borked somehow

[20:12:01]

juski:

maybe I'll take the comments out for now

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GreyFoxx:

hahahah cool. Too bad it's unpredictable. I wouldn't mind recording some of these :)

[20:13:27]

juski:

nope. still broken. it's the 'kids' category giving me grief

[20:14:21]

juski:

aha! <category>Kids</name>

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** directhex waits for mythbackend to fall over **

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juski:

jees. is there no editor that shows broken tags properly?

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scopeuk:

juski can problably configure vim/emacs/nano to highlight it

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juski:

sure, but if you have <name>foobar</narme> it doesn't show you it's fecked

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WhoKnow2:

hey

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WhoKnow2:

for the most part I got mythtv to work

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WhoKnow2:

it's just, it seems like Totem can play recordings much quicker than mythtv can

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juski:

so use totem then :)

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gardengnome:

just fast forward through them

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WhoKnow2:

i would use MythPlugins/MythVideo

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WhoKnow2:

but it can't find any of my movies

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WhoKnow2:

what does mythtv use to play recordings? is it mplayer?

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WhoKnow2:

I'm just wondering how I can get the same quality from mythtvfrontend as Totem has

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gbee:

it can use mplayer, xine or any other player – but it has a built in player which handles just about all formats

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WhoKnow2:

oh ok

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Super_Cat_FRog:

can anybody recommend a good mpeg2 encoding analog pci-express tv card that will work with mythtv and tvtime on a dual core box?

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WhoKnow2:

how do you make it use mplayer then

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juski:

Super_Cat_FRog: no such thing

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Super_Cat_FRog:

juski: bugger

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juski:

damn this stupid fucking xml bullshit!

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Super_Cat_FRog:

juski: would the hauppage 350 work in xine or mplayer in realtime?

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GreyFoxx:

WhoKnow2: What do you mean by quality? A visual difference between the two players?

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Super_Cat_FRog:

i need something for my wii, but apparently the ivtv driver and the bttv try to beat each other up

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juski:

avoid the pvr350.. its disadvantages outweigh its few advantages

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Super_Cat_FRog:

juski: from the wiki on mythtv.org the 350 seemed to be the best card – which would you recommend?

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GreyFoxx:

WhoKnow2: AS for what is used for recording playback, myth has it's own internal player

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juski:

Super_Cat_FRog: you want a non-hardware encoding card for use with a games console. and don't set it up in mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

Super_Cat_FRog: Where are you seeing that? Cause if it's there I'll go remove that

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Super_Cat_FRog:

GreyFoxx: there's nothing specific, it just seemed that way to the uneducated reader (me)

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WhoKnow2:

not necessarily a visual difference, it's just that mythtvfrontend seems to stutter a lot and Totem/mplayer both play recordings fine

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juski:

WhoKnow2: you might just need to install proper drivers for your VGA card

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WhoKnow2:

and I'm getting lots of errors as well

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GreyFoxx:

WhoKnow2: What sort of errors ?

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GreyFoxx:

Just frontend output ?

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GreyFoxx:

out something visual on the video playback screen ?

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GreyFoxx:

s/out/our

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WhoKnow2:

is there a site where I can paste it

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WhoKnow2:

frontend output

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Super_Cat_FRog:

rafb.net/paste

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GreyFoxx:

WhoKnow2: That stuff is just libavcodec debug messages that the other players are hiding from you

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GreyFoxx:

very common when recording from an ivtv based card

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WhoKnow2:

also it appears that I'm logged in under two names in irc... I wonder if I have two people logged in or something

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Super_Cat_FRog:

GreyFoxx: i think i partly got that impression by the way the 350 has lots written about it, the others dont

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Super_Cat_FRog:

juski: regarding what you said about getting two cards, and only setting up one for myth, the other from tvtime – are there any chipsets that play nicely with ivtv?

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GreyFoxx:

Ok, those arenb't libavcodec messages

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GreyFoxx:

I've never seen those before

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juski:

Super_Cat_FRog: you shouldn't have a problem

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GreyFoxx:

I'm curious...what kind of video card ?

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WhoKnow2:

Geforce 6800

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GreyFoxx:

You don't have multiple apps playing video at the same time do you ?

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WhoKnow2:

I don't think I do, but something fishy is going on because I have WhoKnow1 logged in and I have no idea who that is

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GreyFoxx:

hehe you might want to find out :)

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Super_Cat_FRog:

WhoKnow2: are you running irssi in a screen, ive opened two like that before now

[21:01:03]

Super_Cat_FRog:

forgetting about the other

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WhoKnow2:

no I don't know what that is

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gardengnome:

heh

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gardengnome:

he's using gaim

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Super_Cat_FRog:

WhoKnow2: irssi is a console irc client, screen is an application you can use to run console applications in the background, disconnect from them and reconect to them later

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Super_Cat_FRog:

good for if you are at work and the boss comes past

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Super_Cat_FRog:

or if you like to accidentily press the close button accidentily

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** Super_Cat_FRog demonstrates by detatching and reattaching **

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WhoKnow2:

well I don't understand why I have a WhoKnow1 still on irc

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murray:

is it possible to customize the menu that appears when you hit M[enu] when watching LiveTV ?

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WhoKnow2:

also, I have to mention that I directly linked mythfrontend to libXvMCNVIDIA.so

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GreyFoxx:

murray: Not without editing code

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WhoKnow2:

I don't even know how I did that

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murray:

ta GreyFoxx

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WhoKnow2:

for the longest time it was always libXvMC.so and libXvMCW.so

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murray:

I guess there aren't any other user define-able popups to hide common commands in?

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WhoKnow2:

oh yeah, I did it by doing ./configure --enable-xvmc --enable-xvmc-opengl --disable-xvmcw

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WhoKnow2:

do you need xvmcw?

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GreyFoxx:

murray: Nope, none . You can add custom menu commands to the regular menus, but no popups or anything during playback

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murray:

bah. thanks tho GreyFoxx

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grndslm_:

in recording profiles...how do i know which aspect ratio to use? would it be beneficial to set pvr150/500 to 16:9 with sdtv?

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Venzon:

hello, can anyone help me with setting up QAM-256 channels from a PCHDTV-5500 DVB card? everything is working great, i'm just having trouble figuring out how mythtv associates all of the channels it found during the QAM scan with my listings

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gardengnome:

this is f'ed up. the PXE stackin the BIOS still talks to the NIC, it acquires an IP over DHCP. however, the NIC doesn't show up in lspci.

[21:11:05]

gardengnome:

anyone ever seen this on an nforce 2 box? :)

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WhoKnow2:

how do you reset the database for mythbackend

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gardengnome:

WhoKnow2: what are you trying to do?

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WhoKnow2:

I'm just frustrated with these errors and want to restart all over again

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Anduin:

WhoKnow2: You can drop the database, mc.sql again, and rerun mythtv-setup.

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grndslm_:

in recording profiles...how do i know which aspect ratio to use? would it be beneficial to set pvr150/500 to 16:9 with sdtv?

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grndslm_:

i'm using 4:3 now, but wondering if 16:9 would work at all with standard def tv

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grndslm_:

i do have a "widescreen" lcd....

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grndslm_:

just wondering if anybody has tweaked this card before

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grndslm_:

guess not

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WhoKnow2:

hey it says

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WhoKnow2:

Analog child card settings. WARNING Do not press button if you are using an Avermedia A180 card. These cards do not support analog tuning, but the

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WhoKnow2:

screen's too small I guess

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directhex:

yay, my backend crashed

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gardengnome:

directhex: congrats!

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WhoKnow2:

so ok, how do I drop the database for mythtv

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directhex:

while it was running in gdb!

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directhex:

let's see if i can get a repeat performance

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gardengnome:

WhoKnow2: use mysql and run "drop database mythconverg;", that should take care of it. phpmyadmin is a nice tool for such jobs, too

[21:32:22]

WhoKnow2:

hey gardengnome, is xvmcw more important than xvmc-opengl?

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gardengnome:

hey WhoKnow2, what kind of question is that?

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WhoKnow2:

i dont know

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WhoKnow2:

I'm doing the configure for

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WhoKnow2:

mythtv

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gardengnome:

why do you ask it then?

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gardengnome:

ignore xvmc-opengl, it won't work.

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WhoKnow2:

oh ok

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WhoKnow2:

what is it?

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gardengnome:

it's a video output method

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WhoKnow2:

all right i'm gonna recompile see if that works better

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gardengnome:

are you recompiling with xvmc-opengl now?

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WhoKnow2:

no i'm recompiling with xvmc only

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gardengnome:

good :)

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WhoKnow2:

I didn't know that xvmc was the fastest way of doing it

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gardengnome:

of doing what?

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gardengnome:

you're talking about it like it was premarital sex

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WhoKnow2:

fastest hardware rendering or something

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WhoKnow2:

gardengnome... what's the difference between LNB linear and LNB circular

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gardengnome:

i dunno

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WhoKnow2:

which do you use?

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WhoKnow2:

well if you were to use it

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GreyFoxx:

WhoKnow2: IT's not really "Fastest". It's just hardware assistance so less work for the CPU to do

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gardengnome:

i don't do DVB-S.

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WhoKnow2:

so I guess in other words, if it takes more CPU resources than expected, don't use it?

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WhoKnow2:

i mean, why would xvmc-opengl be worse than xvmc

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WhoKnow2:

is it just less maintained?

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gardengnome:

WhoKnow2: it's experimental and doesn't work. you've got a lot of questions. you really should search the mailing lists before asking. like http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . able;#203431

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gardengnome:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . able;#203431

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WhoKnow2:

ok

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gardengnome:

oops, sorry for pasting that again. stupid fingers

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The_Belgain:

hi there – i'm having problems with the channel scanning in the mythtv backend setup. mythtv isn't finding any channels in the actual scan (it just displays a bunch of timeout messages)

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The_Belgain:

any ideas why the full scan might not work as expected?

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Le0ric:

good evening

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Le0ric:

i have one question are all tv karts that are running under mythtv also running under knopmyth?

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gardengnome:

um

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gardengnome:

never mind

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Le0ric:

?

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WhoKnow2:

Ok I have one more question

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WhoKnow2:

how do you force every show to be detected as interlaced

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Jenetik:

I'm trying to compile mythtv on feisty and am getting the following error saying I don't have lame libraries installed, but I do

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Jenetik:

cat: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf: No such file or directory

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Jenetik:

You must have the Lame MP3 encoding library installed to compile Myth.

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Jenetik:

I did an apt-get install lame and liblame0

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directhex:

Jenetik, apt-get build-dep mythtv

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Jenetik:

I am trying to compile mythtv from source

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Jenetik:

E: Build-dependencies for mythtv could not be satisfied.

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Le0ric:

are all tv karts that are running under mythtv also running under knopmyth?

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Le0ric:

a nother question

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Le0ric:

in your opinion is it easier for a nub to istall fendora and then mythtv or just install knoppmyth?

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jams:

anybody have a script handy to unload all alsa modules?

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gardengnome:

jams: modprobe -r?

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WhoKnow2:

I keep getting channels detected as interlaced, but when I force progressive it is much better

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jams:

gardengnome- that does one, i'm looking to unload all of them

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gardengnome:

Jenetik: did your ISP actually contact you after ir reported you to their abuse department?

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Jenetik:

?

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Jenetik:

abuse for what

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gardengnome:

Jenetik: IIRC you were being an ass in here or something ;)

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directhex:

Jenetik, do you have both multiverse and universe repositories enabled?

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Jenetik:

hell are you talking about

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Jenetik:

ummm

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Jenetik:

let me see

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Le0ric:

wy does noone has advice for me ;(

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Jenetik:

yeah I do

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directhex:

Le0ric, tv card support is a function of the kernel, not the application

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Le0ric:

THX

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Le0ric:

and is knoppmyth able to work on a raid 5?

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directhex:

Le0ric, and one-click systems like knoppmyth or mythdora are easy for most people, but restrictive

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directhex:

Le0ric, hardware or software raid?

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The_Belgain:

sorry, just another quick ping on my question from further up... i'm using a DVB-T tuner card (in the UK, just plain Freeview), and the channel scan isn't picking up channels even though tzap finds them fine

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The_Belgain:

where can i look to try and figure out what's going wrong here?

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directhex:

The_Belgain, which version of myth?

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Le0ric:

i think hardware raid but i am not sure on that one

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The_Belgain:

0.20 (the version in the ubuntu feisty repos)

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directhex:

Le0ric, fakeraid. you'd know about it if it were hardware raid (due to the £200+ cost of hardware) or software raid (due to installation issues)

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directhex:

Le0ric, i'm afraid i don't know how well knoppmyth deals with fakeraid systems

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Le0ric:

well i am just planing to plug in 3 sata hdds on my asus p5b and make a raid

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Le0ric:

so it would be hardware or software directhex?

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The_Belgain:

directhex: to be more precise, it looks like the ubuntu package is from the 0.20-fixes branch as of 01/22

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directhex:

Le0ric, fake. hardware raid has a hardware raid chip; software raid has a generic flexible layer; fakeraid is motherboard-dependent software raid which uses a (usually windows-only) driver to emulate hardware raid using your main cpu

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directhex:

Le0ric, support for the latter category is fairly recent. managed by a kernel module called "dmraid" i think

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Le0ric:

so would a raid 5 be easier to solve under fendora core 6 and then later on install mythtv?

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directhex:

Le0ric, i believe fedora core has reasonable integration of dmraid, so i think it would be simple enough to do. however, i don't know whether knoppmyth also supports it (if so, then knoppmyth would be easier. if not, you'll probably accidentally delete all your windows partitions)

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maek:

Le0ric: if knoppmyth supports the dmraid option at boot.

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maek:

broken sentence, if it takes dmraid then you will be able to see your md (linux raid) device

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Le0ric:

directhex i cant deleat windows coz i will install linux before windows

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Le0ric:

i am now writing my documentation

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Le0ric:

and have to do all the stuff in last 2 weeks of juli

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Le0ric:

but i have to hand in my documentation tomorrow xD

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Le0ric:

maek what do you mean?

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baxter_kylie:

Can anyone shed any light into my tuner troubles? I can't tune sdtv in mythtv but it works in other applications (like tvtime).

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Le0ric:

directhex and maek big thx

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Le0ric:

but i still dont know what to do -.- should i take fendora or knoppmyth

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directhex:

you've been given fairly detailed answers. sometimes, much as it might hurt, you have to apply some learning process yourself

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maek:

Le0ric: I just installed it on ubuntu 7.04 with 2 documents found on the myth wiki in about 1 hour it was up and running

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maek:

now im just trying to "tune" it

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maek:

which brings up this question, is there a trick to get mythdvd working?

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Le0ric:

^^

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maek:

I guess I should RTFW

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The_Belgain:

baxter_kylie: hmm... looks like i'm not the only person here with tuning troubles :)

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Lee0Ric:

directhex i know and apurciate this

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directhex:

maek, working how?

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baxter_kylie:

The_Belgain: Mine has to be something awry with myth.

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directhex:

dvd playback under linux is illegal, because it promotes teh pitarezzz. so it's not enabled by default

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grndslm_:

in recording profiles...how do i know which aspect ratio to use? would it be beneficial to set pvr150/500 to 16:9 with standard def feed when i'm using a "widescreen" lcd??

[22:51:28]

grndslm_:

or should i just keep it 4:3?

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maek:

directhex: thanks. hooray to the pitarezzz

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LennonNZ:

hi there. does the HVR-3000 for DVB-S work under linux yet?

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The_Belgain:

have you solved your issue or not?

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directhex:

LennonNZ, proof of concept code available but not considered remotely stable

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directhex:

LennonNZ, and that's a question for #linuxtv

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LennonNZ:

directhex: so better to get a NOVA-S for mythtv at the moment?

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directhex:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S_PCI_Cards

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LennonNZ:

for DVB-S

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directhex:

anything from the budget section which doesn't have a note warning of issues

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Lee0Ric:

directhex is it possible to have a linux fakeraid 5 and a windows fakeraid 5 on the same hdds?

[22:57:56]

Lee0Ric:

or will it create problems?

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directhex:

Lee0Ric, yes. that's the idea. otherwise, it's MUCH more advisable to use software raid instead

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directhex:

but that only works with one OS

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directhex:

and in the case of windows, requires a server version

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baxter_kylie:

The_Begain: Not at all.

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nero_:

has anyone here calibrated the output from your Linux HTPC to your display?

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directhex:

most people. but most people have different display setups, and some are easier than others to get going

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Lee0Ric:

directhex i didnt geht the point

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directhex:

i'll start from scratch. because, y'know, research is too much effort

[23:04:15]

directhex:

RAID can be provided at three levels

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ubuntuEdgy:

hi

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directhex:

hardware raid (e.g. lsi megaraid) has a dedicated processor to do calculations. it presents disks as a combined SCSI volume, as configured in the card;s bios

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directhex:

software raid (e.g. md on linux, windows has an equivalent i forgot the name of) allows the os to see multiple hard disks, and combine them as it sees fit. this is os dependent, but fast (as a high-end athlon64 is a bit faster than a 300mhz arm processor as found on dedicated cards)

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ubuntuEdgy:

dose any one at all know why my back end dose nothing all the jobs are "queued"

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ubuntuEdgy:

nothing seems to expire too

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directhex:

"fake" raid is software raid, but instead of allowing the os to be aware of all disks, tries to mimic a hardware raid setup by using a dedicated driver. this is how onboard "raid" on motherboards words – the "raid bios" might claim to have made a raid volume, but it hasn't really – it's just made some markers that the driver can deal with once the os loads

[23:07:28]

directhex:

hardware raid is a sure-fire multi-os system. software raid is a sure-fire 1-os-only system

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directhex:

fake raid is windows-centric, but MIGHT work with recent linuxes okay

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pat_:

fake raid works for windows

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Lee0Ric:

so it would be easier to take 3 hdds for the windows raid and 3hdds for the linux raid? to get no problems with them

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isidoro:

hi

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ubuntuEdgy:

??

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Lee0Ric:

directhex thx 4 the explanationn

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isidoro:

i am getting crazy to setup mytv for my TX Hollywood dualTV capture PCI card

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isidoro:

I installed mytv as feisty procedures but I am not been able to set up correct card

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directhex:

sleep time.

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ubuntuEdgy:

i will shh and try to fix this for you.

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isidoro:

1. when I run backend set up mouse works bad I do not see the pointer... I see it only when the pointer is on writeable area

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isidoro:

2. when I have set up my card what kind of card I have to set?

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ubuntuEdgy:

yess thats how it works, u must use a remote or keyboard

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ubuntuEdgy:

do you have sh installed

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ubuntuEdgy:

ssh*

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ubuntuEdgy:

yes or no

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ubuntuEdgy:

guys can you help me with my backend issue , its not doing the jobs any more

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ubuntuEdgy:

its stuck on queued

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maek:

how does one enable DMA?

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JoeyJoeJo:

I'm using xvmc and an nvidia 6200 card and I get a grayscale osd. Is there a way to fix it?

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JoeyJoeJo:

maek: using hdparm

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maek:

JoeyJoeJo: thanks.

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JoeyJoeJo:

np

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pat_:

JoeyJoeJo: stop using xvmc?

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JoeyJoeJo:

pat: well yeah, but then I don't get the cool cpu savings

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GreyFoxx:

SAving for arainy day ?

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JoeyJoeJo:

for the day I get HD

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GreyFoxx:

If your having low CPU issues then you use XvMC, otherwise it's not worth it

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GreyFoxx:

and if you use recent CPU you don't need it for HD

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JoeyJoeJo:

ok, cool

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JoeyJoeJo:

thanks

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GreyFoxx:

My XP2500+ can play 1080i and 720p mpeg2 content without XvMC

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Tanthrix:

GreyFoxx: In myth? Or just mplayer?

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GreyFoxx:

myth

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Tanthrix:

And I've tried messing with every setting known to man

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GreyFoxx:

I use myth's internal player for pretty much everytyhing

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Tanthrix:

Weird. I wonder what my problem is then

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Tanthrix:

Damned annoying, that's for sure

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Tanthrix:

Approximately what is your CPU usage when doing 1080i?

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GreyFoxx:

I'll check as soon as my daughters show is over :)

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Tanthrix:

Hehe, no worries.

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GreyFoxx:

my other frontends don't have a hope of playing it

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GreyFoxx:

but my main frontend is the one thaft can

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Tanthrix:

I hang out around 70–90 percent, with spikes of course.

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degreseven:

i just had to change the ip on my combination backend/frontend, now i cant start the frontend, or get into mythtv-setup to change IP settings because it can't connect to mysql db. how do i fix this?

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JoeyJoeJo:

look in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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JoeyJoeJo:

change it there then you shold be able to start the frontend/setup

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degreseven:

thanks a lot =)

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JoeyJoeJo:

np

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EnderTheThird:

What are your thoughts on the best dual HD tuner out there? You think it's the HDHR?

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EnderTheThird:

I have 2 HD-5500's, but they aren't worth $250

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EnderTheThird:

I'm sending them back tomorrow

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