Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, April 27th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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nero_:

stonith, the PIP is useless..

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nero_:

you can only use it with 1 HDMI/Comonent/VGA input, and 1 of the 2 antenna inputs..

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jams:

nero, does it have any hdmi ?

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nero_:

no way to do HDMI 1 as main, and HDMI 2 as the sub

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stonith:

nero_: yeah I have a samsung too, I wasn't too pleased on how they architectured the PIP, dumbasses.

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nero_:

jams, yes, I am currently driving it via DVI->HDMI from the computer, and HDMI->HDMI for my STB.

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jams:

oh wait your probably doing dvi-hdmi already

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nero_:

stonith, luckily, I knew about this before buying it, and I never really use PIP anyway.

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jams:

i agree the pip is useless

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Como|Lappy:

if i just add startx to the startup script, and then add the mythtvfrontend to it, would it just open that inside x?

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smeagel_:

it will startx as root

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smeagel_:

not advisable

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stonith:

any of you guys using MythTV player for windows?

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Como|Lappy:

never heard of it

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stonith:

Como: kde auto-login as a mythtv user would be best.

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Como|Lappy:

ive been copying the video and using mpc

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Como|Lappy:

i dont have enough ram on that box for kde

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Como|Lappy:

fluxbox is pushing it

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smeagel_:

what do you have like 128?

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jams:

Como|Lappy- either gdm or kde or look at the mythdocs, secstion 23.11

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smeagel_:

;)

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stonith:

MythTV player kinda works, I just hope they can get more developers on it... well it works to an extent, enough for me to play recordings

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Como|Lappy:

256

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Como|Lappy:

but i run some stuff on that box

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smeagel_:

fluxbox isn't pushing it lol

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nero_:

My other big linux question is this- any way to get mplayer to output video RGB space colors? (i.e.- black is RGB 16,16,16 and white is 235,235,235)

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Como|Lappy:

like an apache server and a samba server

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smeagel_:

fluxbox takes 5–10megs

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Como|Lappy:

and i commonly borrow the burner to burn isos off dually

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jams:

nero_, looking to calibrate?

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smeagel_:

ever considered more ram? :-P

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nero_:

jams, I have calibrated the display..

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stonith:

agreeing with smeagle.

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nero_:

but now, everything from the linux side is very clipped.

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smeagel_:

out of curiosity, anybody run mythfrontend on a ps3 yet?

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jams:

no idea about mplayer

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nero_:

but if I pop up a video space RGB calibration image, I get a perfect calibration. :(

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goreguts:

so.... i started a video in mythvideo, how do i stop it?

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smeagel_:

umm

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smeagel_:

escape

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smeagel_:

haha

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smeagel_:

it's probably mplayer

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smeagel_:

or maybe xine?

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goreguts:

mplayer

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goreguts:

esc wont stop it

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smeagel_:

hit alt tab

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smeagel_:

to make sure the window is focused

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goreguts:

that didnt do anything

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czth__:

goreguts: i had that problem... remote didn't work... i switched it to the internal player later. didn't see any benefit of using a different player.

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stonith:

ctrl+alt+backspace will kill your X session

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smeagel_:

no reason to go that far

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smeagel_:

hold alt

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smeagel_:

and drag the mplayer window out of the way

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jams:

isn't it q to quit mplayer?

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goreguts:

hmm thats not doing anything either

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goreguts:

q wont quit

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smeagel_:

no

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smeagel_:

it's not

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smeagel_:

escape quits

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stonith:

kill x session *rubs hands*

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goreguts:

heh i guess so

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nero_:

1) Pick up computer, 2) Drop in a large bucket of water. That'll stop mplayer for sure.

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wraz79:

if anybody can help me with srsc-na pm me thanks

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jams:

mplayer is either q or ESC

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stonith:

kill x session *rubs hands*

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nero_:

ctrl-alt-F1, log in, killall -9 mplayer

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goreguts:

well, killing the x session worked

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smeagel_:

correct jams ;)

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smeagel_:

i stand corrected

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goreguts:

but.... i dont want to do that every time i play a video

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jams:

smeagel_- same here

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smeagel_:

that shouldn't normally happen

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jams:

goreguts- are you using a window manager?

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stonith:

actually nero's solution is better, i just wanted you to kill your session.

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wraz79:

anybody knwo why you woudl get audio and no sound on a satellite card?

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smeagel_:

lol

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smeagel_:

wraz is there a sound *out* port on the card?

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smeagel_:

i had a card that i had to run sound from the input card to the soundcard

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smeagel_:

and it recorded using line-in

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wraz79:

nope its just got the coax in from the dish

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wraz79:

sound works ok im just not getting any video

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smeagel_:

duh i'm getting it backwards

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stonith:

nice

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smeagel_:

are you sure ivtv is setup correctly (if that's what it uses)?

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smeagel_:

and aren't some satellite stations encrypted?

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stonith:

good point, i would just go with broadcast at this point and see

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GhostFreeman|2:

yeah. like all of them

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stonith:

DRM channels is what is keeping my friend from doing MythTV

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wraz79:

well i have a set top reciever but i wanna try and use mythtv for recording

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nero_:

encrypted channels is what is keeping me from using MythTV as a DVR

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smeagel_:

apparently there are some HD cable/satellite boxes

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smeagel_:

that output unencrypted raw mpeg via firewire

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smeagel_:

i've considered trying to use that

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smeagel_:

my cable box has it

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smeagel_:

but it's a pain in the ass, and very poorly documented

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nero_:

smeagel_, yeah, many of them can.. but you need a cable co that doesnt encrypt them

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smeagel_:

i didn't realize any encrypted the firewire signals?

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spinull:

will my pvrusb2 change the channel

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nero_:

in fact, my box can do that.. problem is, I only get PBS and 1 local channel.. everything else is encrypted.

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spinull:

using its ir port

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spinull:

or is that for input only

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smeagel_:

that's some bullllshit

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nero_:

yup.

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smeagel_:

back in the day had the card cleaner for directv cards

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smeagel_:

those were the days

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nero_:

shrug.. I'm fine with paying for my content.. just let me watch it how I want to watch it.. but that ain't gonna happen.

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smeagel_:

it was sports for me

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smeagel_:

that's what pisses me off

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smeagel_:

all the blackout crap

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smeagel_:

i don't mind paying

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smeagel_:

but it pisses me off to no end when i can't see a sporting event because they screw up a blackout

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smeagel_:

blackouts themselves are f'n stupid

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spinull:

my roommate is pissed

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spinull:

haha

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scant:

i get a segfault when skipping tracks on an audio cd... anyone else have this issue?

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spinull:

anyone know why that happens?

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spinull:

or is that a beryl issue

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smeagel_:

spinull, the changing of the channel can be fun though

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smeagel_:

u can fuck with house guests

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smeagel_:

when you're at work

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smeagel_:

"~/bin/change_chan.sh 666"

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smeagel_:

via ssh

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Fooker:

Hey all. Mythtv has so far worked on all my machines. But on this one (setting it up as a client), when I run the mythtv command, it blinks a few times, then tells me all available inputs are in use, and then segfaults. I never even get to the main menu. Any ideas?

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smeagel_:

a client meaning it's not running a server?

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Fooker:

Server is being run on another box (desktop) and I want to use this laptop as a client

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Fooker:

/root/.mythtv/mysql.txt has been modified to show the correct database

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Fooker:

And I've given this IP addy access (which I can confirm using mysql)

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WhoKnow1:

How do you make mythbackend start processing the queue

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WhoKnow1:

nothing is being transcoded

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WhoKnow1:

I barely know what that means but it's not working

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Fooker:

WhoKnow1: It may take a few minutes for the transcoding process to begin

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Fooker:

Depending on the settings you've put in

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WhoKnow1:

I even ran mythjobqueue

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goreguts:

has anybody got their remote working with mythvideo/mplayer?

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spinull:

my screen is about an inch off center

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spinull:

to the right

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spinull:

how can i fix that

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smeagel_:

goreguts yes i have

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goreguts:

smeagel, can i see your lircrc?

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goreguts:

i emerged it with lirc support, do i have to do anything else?

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smeagel_:

yeah

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smeagel_:

hah it's a pain in the ass

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smeagel_:

i'd suggest going through one of the 20 page walkthroughs

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goreguts:

hrmmmm

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goreguts:

can you link me to one?

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smeagel_:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_LIRC

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smeagel_:

enjoy

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goreguts:

oh yea

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goreguts:

i was looking at that actually

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goreguts:

but i skipped the mplayer section :/

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smeagel_:

gentoo howto's are the best documentation on the web

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smeagel_:

not sure how mine works

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goreguts:

yea i agree

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smeagel_:

but when i hit forward it imitates hitting the right key

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smeagel_:

so it works as if i'm hitting the kb

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smeagel_:

i first got it working *forever* ago

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goreguts:

ah ok

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smeagel_:

when i was using freevo

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smeagel_:

and i've forgotten most of it

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goreguts:

thats all i need it to do

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goreguts:

i just want to be able to pause, stop, and skip around

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smeagel_:

lircrc

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smeagel_:

.lircrc

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goreguts:

oh wait

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goreguts:

does the lircrc need to be in my homedir

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smeagel_:

mine is

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goreguts:

mplayer wont know to look in .mythtv

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goreguts:

duhhh

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smeagel_:

;)

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goreguts:

well that made it work :)

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spinull:

no i have no sound

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spinull:

wtf

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spinull:

now*

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spinull:

player rocks

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spinull:

mplayer*

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spinull:

man, i want some home plate dinner

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spinull:

diner

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spinull:

i hope you guys know what that is

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smeagel_:

no i don't

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goreguts:

dont even know

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spinull:

i guess its just a texas thing

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spinull:

or a local thing

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spinull:

i can convert a dvd and watch tv at the same time

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spinull:

its only a little jittery

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spinull:

wish i still had sound though

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smeagel_:

nice --19 the dvd rip

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smeagel_:

spinull

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spinull:

yo

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spinull:

k

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spinull:

now my mouse doesn't work

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spinull:

jeez

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spinull:

if its not one thing its another

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Fooker:

Anyone know why mythtv would go straight to live TV, exit live tv, and then segfault as soon as you start it?

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kormoc:

Fooker, cause you want to run mythfrontend not mythtv

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Fooker:

Wasn't aware there was a difference :)

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Fooker:

Thanks

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Fooker:

What is the difference, BTW?

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kormoc:

mythtv is the live tv part of the myth suite

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spinull:

is there a way to mute live tv from the keyboard

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spinull:

i might have done that by accident and just not realized it

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spinull:

everything is turned up

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spinull:

any ideas?

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spinull:

im gonna have to reboot and cancel my dvd rip if i can't figure it out

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KaiForce:

any bash experts here? I need to pass a parameter in a script that has a space and a quote in it – is there a way to pull it from a file (i mean I know there is but how) OR is there a way I can delimit this so bash knows what I want?

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Sid`:

a space and a " ?

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Sid`:

or a space and a ' ?

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spinull:

i need sound

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spinull:

thats more relavent

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KaiForce:

its a 64 character password, there is a space, a ", and at least one '

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KaiForce:

spinull – sound not working on myth box?

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KaiForce:

sorry for lack of relevance...

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spinull:

right-o

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spinull:

it was a sec ago

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spinull:

not sure what changed other than my dvd rip

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spinull:

iv cancelled that and will reboot now

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KaiForce:

dvd rip shouldn't kill sound.

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KaiForce:

in theory

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spinull:

nope

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spinull:

if rebooting doesn't fix it i'll bitch more in a second

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KaiForce:

roger that

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smeagel_:

what do you mean kaiforce

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smeagel_:

pass a parameter

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smeagel_:

you just need to break things like that

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smeagel_:

this is all \"one\" parameter

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KaiForce:

if my password has in it, will that work? checking....

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Sid`:

becomes \

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spinull:

i reboot and there is this crazy blank window open now

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smeagel_:

lol

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smeagel_:

"crazy blank window"

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smeagel_:

it's descriptions like that

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KaiForce:

heh

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smeagel_:

theat made working tech help in college fun...

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KaiForce:

heheh

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KaiForce:

my favorite

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KaiForce:

"it didn't work"

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smeagel_:

"i think the computer is 3 years old, I got it in mexico though, so they could have been lying"

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smeagel_:

that was a favorite

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spinull:

haha

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smeagel_:

"what operating system are you running, windows, mac?" "I think I"m running AOL"

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spinull:

heh

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KaiForce:

i had someone say "its 98 or XP, I'm pretty sure" just about 15 minutes ago

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smeagel_:

lol

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spinull:

my freakin mouse still doesn't work

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spinull:

wtf

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smeagel_:

go to terminal

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smeagel_:

cat /dev/psaux or /dev/mouse

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smeagel_:

move the mouse

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smeagel_:

see if there's characters on the screen

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smeagel_:

if so

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smeagel_:

your X config is fucked

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smeagel_:

i was working tech help when all the buffer overrun bugs hit XP kaiforce

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smeagel_:

and M$ took 6 months to put out a decent patch

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smeagel_:

*hell*

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goreguts:

i'm trying to look up imdb info, but it says could not start process (imdb.pl) i have permission to read and write, whats the deal

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KaiForce:

smeagel_ I just put a in front of each space and " and delimit the whole mess with quotes? or no delimiter?

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smeagel_:

if you use quotes

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KaiForce:

goreguts do you have permissions to execute?

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smeagel_:

then you just need a in front of quotes INSIDE it

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smeagel_:

so

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smeagel_:

a b c\" or "a b c\""

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KaiForce:

sweeet thanks

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smeagel_:

don't forget

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smeagel_:

so if you have a in there put \

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KaiForce:

ok no to deal with in it

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smeagel_:

k

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spinull:

i hate computers

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smeagel_:

lol

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smeagel_:

then mythtv+linux is not the thing for you

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spinull:

they are so inconsistent

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KaiForce:

actually if hardware is ok they are 100% consistent

[01:46:11]

spinull:

i use one wireless mouse+keyboard for two computers

[01:46:25]

spinull:

earlier they were both picking it up even though i was in a diff. room

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spinull:

i have to be right in front of it

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smeagel_:

interference ;)

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spinull:

im trying to think of what

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KaiForce:

are you nuking a bag of corn nearby?

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spinull:

nothing

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spinull:

nay

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spinull:

now it works

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spinull:

lame

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spinull:

but im happy

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spinull:

can anyone tell me why my gnome panels are on top of mythtv

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spinull:

and its slightly off center

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spinull:

about a half inch to the right

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KaiForce:

panels – there is a setting to hide panels – I know it is documented on mythtvology...

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jterrero:

can someone help me up with setting up myth tv, i have it installed via apt-get.. when i tried running it i am gettign some sql errors

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** spinull hides **

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KaiForce:

heheh

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jterrero:

can someone help me out with the sql setup

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KaiForce:

jterrero did you run mythtv-setup?

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jterrero:

no such command when installing via apt-get

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jterrero:

when i try running mythtv it asks me for my mysql settings

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jterrero:

i havnt done any sql setup to know what they are though

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** Fooker 's ego expands, slowly filling the room.... **

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Fooker:

Woops, wrong channel :P

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spinull:

haha

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KaiForce:

its been a bazillion years since I did my myth setup, which is rock solid stable btw, but I'm pretty sure there is a mythtv-setup command when installing via apt

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spinull:

yea

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spinull:

i used it

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sinthetek:

i am trying to install lirc correctly for a serial remote i bought and can't seem to get it working properly. as far as i can tell it doesn't seem to be receiving a signal from the remote but lirc_serial is loaded and it's creating a /dev/lirc/0

[01:58:17]

sinthetek:

irw and irrecord don't seem to detect when i press buttons though

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KaiForce:

[root@mythtv ~]# which mythtv-setup

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KaiForce:

/usr/bin/mythtv-setup

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spinull:

kaiforce, you remember anything about those panel options, im sure its a beryl thing

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KaiForce:

you are running beryl? no clue.

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KaiForce:

let me see if i can find what i did

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WhoKnow1:

Hey

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WhoKnow1:

I just installed mythtv svn

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xris:

:)

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WhoKnow1:

now I can play the recorded mpg files fine in Totem but in mythtv it's very slow and choppy

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WhoKnow1:

I think it's because I tried to use libXvMCNVIDIA

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WhoKnow1:

am I doing something wrong

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KaiForce:

never mind, that was for KDE

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KaiForce:

not gnome

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KaiForce:

i never see my window manager on my mythbox

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KaiForce:

:)

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spinull:

hhmm

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spinull:

you know what would cause it to be off center

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KaiForce:

how is your TV hooked up to your vid card?

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WhoKnow1:

why would XvMCNVIDIA cause recordings to play slower than in regular XvMC

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smeagel_:

have you guys seen 3ddesk?

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smeagel_:

you can use it with fluxbox ;)

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smeagel_:

to get a little bit of beauty without a monstrosity for an OS

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smeagel_:

err for a WM

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spinull:

i tried it but never got it working

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spinull:

i use beryl

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smeagel_:

huh

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smeagel_:

it worked out of box for me

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smeagel_:

"emerge 3ddesk"

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smeagel_:

and it works

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spinull:

i have a shitty video card

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spinull:

integrated ati

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spinull:

i don't get any 3d accel without using Xgl

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spinull:

and fglrx

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smeagel_:

ugh

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smeagel_:

ok ;)

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WhoKnow1:

hey

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smeagel_:

<-- nvidia only now

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WhoKnow1:

how do you get XvWMNVIDIA

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spinull:

i need to figure out how to get rid of the gnome panels so myth will be fullscreen

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WhoKnow1:

to work with mythtvfrontend

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WhoKnow1:

you know it's not working when Totem can play it faster than mythtv

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smeagel_:

no idea whoknow

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smeagel_:

do you have the nvidia opengl libraries installed?

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smeagel_:

you can switch the frontend drawing from QT to opengl

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smeagel_:

with accelerated libraries that should work fine

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WhoKnow1:

how do I find out why it wouldn't work?

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smeagel_:

no idea.

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WhoKnow1:

oh ok

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WhoKnow1:

I think it's because I need nvidia-glx-dev

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smeagel_:

can't use the nvidia binary drivers?

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WhoKnow1:

I already have them

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WhoKnow1:

oh shoot I see what you're saying

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smeagel_:

yeah i've never had any problems with hardware acceleration when installing their binary drivers

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WhoKnow1:

It's just... Totem plays everything fine

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WhoKnow1:

so I think it's like a compiling issue

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smeagel_:

no idea

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smeagel_:

have you typed xvinfo?

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Tanthrix:

smeagel_: XvMC routinely doesn't work for some people.

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WhoKnow1:

does VLD need to work with this

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Tanthrix:

smeagel_: For both xris and myself we get worse performance using XvMC than without it

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WhoKnow1:

I got great performance with XvMC, then I used NVIDIA's and it didn't work?

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WhoKnow1:

now I think it has something to do with sound

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WhoKnow1:

is there a way to easily switch to regular XvMC from XvMCNVIDIA without recompiling mythtv?

[03:08:43]

WhoKnow1:

ok cool I got it to work

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WhoKnow1:

the trick was to ummm

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WhoKnow1:

I have no idea *shrug*

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Ediehow:

help friends

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Ediehow:

that is what is causing problems in playback sometimes

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goreguts:

hey who has a hdtv, and what resolution do you set you xorg.config at

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goreguts:

i did 1280x720, but its cut off a tiny bit around the edges

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jrr:

firewire, errors on plugreport http://pastebin.ca/460554

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Krazylegz:

kormoc: Wake up.

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Krazylegz:

!trout kormoc

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** MythLogBot slaps kormoc with a trout on behalf of Krazylegz... **

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jrr:

poor guy takes a nap and gets trout slapped

[03:23:43]

Krazylegz:

Yeah that's right.

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jrr:

woo i'm like 1/3 through this howto and haven't gotten stuck yet

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jrr:

i take that back.

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jrr:

should i be able to scan for channels without first creating a 'video source'? (firewire cable box)

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GreyFoxx:

No

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GreyFoxx:

You need a video source

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jrr:

which means making an account at this datadirect thing?

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GreyFoxx:

Well, you need a data direct account if you want to get listings data from them

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GreyFoxx:

but it's not required in order to scan for channels

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GreyFoxx:

I've never done a channel scan via firewire before however

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jrr:

i'd like to see a picture to see if this will work at all

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GreyFoxx:

I might pickup a hdtv stb with firewire out after I move, but until then it's just SDTV via a dvb card and pvr250's for now

[03:57:36]

jrr:

when i go to channel editor -> channel scanner, it says 'failed to open the card' in the scan type box

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jrr:

i'd like to eventually use HD, i'd settle with SD for now

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GreyFoxx:

I know severallocal users who get their stuff via firewire so I know the local cable co lets the stuff pass through unencrypted so I know I'm fairly safe there

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jrr:

wow this initial filldatabase takes a while

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jrr:

after pulling down listings data

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jrr:

lots of wgets

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Tanthrix:

GreyFoxx: *Can* you scan for channels with a firewire cable box? Did nothing for me..

[04:12:02]

jrr:

i suppose

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jrr:

*i suppose scanning doesnt make sense for digital

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jrr:

there's no tuning

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Tanthrix:

Yah, as far as I know it's not possible

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: huh? Of course it's tuning, just not an analog signal...

[04:12:53]

jrr:

btw, is an external command usually required to change channels?

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Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: I think he just meant that there aren't frequencies to search though

[04:13:21]

jrr:

J-e-f-f-A: the cable box tunes, yes. myth doesn't care about it.

[04:13:50]

jrr:

it's dangerous to use loose wording in irc channels =]

[04:13:55]

Tanthrix:

jrr: For me, no. Just worked without any special scripts for my Motorolla DCT3146

[04:14:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: Sure it does — it needs to 'tune' to channel 5 to record channel 5...

[04:14:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: Now it doesn't have to set the physical frequency, like it has to do with an analog tuner card or internal pci hd tuner card...

[04:16:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: But it still has to instruct the 'tuner' to change to the channel it wants. So theoretically a 'channel scan' should still work.

[04:16:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: Perhaps all the channels are encrypted? You're using firewire?

[04:17:06]

jrr:

i just ran the frontend, and it tells me the card is in use

[04:18:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: Check the permissions. I have similar issues with my HD-3000 — I haven't researched yet how to set them properly on boot, so I just set them manually whenever I boot the system (every 2 months or so)

[04:19:48]

jrr:

anything besides /dev/raw1394?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: What are the permissions on the device /dev/raw1394 ?

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jrr:

i 777'd it =D

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Milosch:

on every boot?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: does it work now?

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jrr:

sorry i mean i 777'd it a while ago

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: ok... did you restart the backend after you 777'd it?

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jrr:

i may have, but it's still crwxrwxrwx

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jrr:

holy crap it's working!

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: good! ;-)

[04:24:53]

jrr:

how do i bring up the grid?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: In 'live tv', you can bring up the menu by pressing "m"

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: And if you enable 'browse mode', pressing the up and down arrows will 'browse' the other channels in the osd instead of changing the channel. If you press 'enter', it will then change to that channel.

[04:27:38]

jrr:

oops, i broke it

[04:27:45]

jrr:

i tried switching to discovery HD, which i'm guessing is 5C

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jrr:

now i can't get livetv

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Tanthrix:

jrr: By the way, are you using SVN?

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jrr:

no, whatever's in apt in ubuntu feisty

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: You might be able to select 'live tv', then quickly type a working channel number and hit enter...

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Tanthrix:

jrr: You might want to do SVN – it's got a lot of firewire fixes in it.

[04:28:58]

Tanthrix:

jrr: And also, make sure you don't tune to 5C channels – it can cause it to die.

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** J-e-f-f-A loathes for the day that 5C 'works' with MythTV... **

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jrr:

i don't suppose a nightly build makes any .debs for me, does it? =D

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** J-e-f-f-A would sign up for FiOS TV the second 5C is 'supported' by MythTV!!!!!!! **

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jrr:

you have it in your area?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: yep. I'm on FiOS internet now...

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jrr:

don't give up hope. 5C will get figured out *eventually*

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: Yeah, I know. The thing that stinks for me is that every HD source except OTA is 5C encrypted for me... Yuck...

[04:37:21]

jrr:

have you looked into 5C much? do cable boxes hold a private key?

[04:38:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: No, I haven't... I've heard it's a 'closed' encryption protocol, that requires big bucks and lots of non-disclosure agreements to even license for use in your product... And lots of restrictions too...

[04:39:00]

jrr:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Transmis . . . t_Protection

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Tanthrix:

It'll never be broken for good, since if it does get broken they can easily send out new firmware updates with new keys / new encryption methods / etc..

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jrr:

so it can't be broken once permanently; it will require rebreaking every so often

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Tanthrix:

And what if they cycle keys hourly?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix, jrr: Yep — just like there are 'special' sat boxes out there that work for a while, but are periodically rendered useless when an upgrade is pushed out that they're not coded to handle...

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jrr:

that shouldn't be far more effective than it is on hddvd/bluray (read:not effective)

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Tanthrix:

It's not like DVD players where there are standards and boxes that cannot be changed

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: But this isn't the forum to talk about such things...

[04:42:03]

jrr:

i'll stop with the re talk to keep the channel's nose clean =]

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'd be happy to pay $250 for a 5C-enabled firewire card... (Maybe even more...)

[04:42:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

ie: a legal card...

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Tanthrix:

I wish they'd just realize they can't win and stop making life difficult for us legit consumers

[04:43:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

But alas, it will probably be a very long time before one becomes available... if ever...

[04:44:01]

** J-e-f-f-A :-( **

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jrr:

if a 5c / cablecard / whatever card happens, it won't be officially linux supported

[04:45:06]

jrr:

drivers will only be written for environments meeting the content provider's robustness rules

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Milosch:

the new Newman! is DRM!

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: I think a 'cablecard' enabled tuner is much more likely to make it to market than a 5C-enabled firewire card...

[04:45:23]

Sid`:

it's not hard to emulate an environment though

[04:45:37]

Sid`:

the vista cablecard stuff doesnt use TPM

[04:45:42]

jrr:

a 5c card could happen under vista what with hdcp

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MrGeoff:

What about cable STB's with firewire? Does that let you capture the video digitally, or is the firewire just for control and you capture the video over S-Video or something?

[04:45:46]

Sid`:

so it'd be REASONABLY easy to hack together some kind of ndiswrapper thing

[04:46:08]

jrr:

MrGeoff: video travels over it, but 5c-protected video is encrypted over that firewire

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J-e-f-f-A:

MrGeoff: Yes, it allows you to capture — as long as it's not 5C encrypted...

[04:46:42]

MrGeoff:

Ah so that's what you meant by 5C enabled.

[04:46:53]

MrGeoff:

If you capture the encrypted bits, can you play it back through the STB?

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kormoc:

MrGeoff, no

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J-e-f-f-A:

MrGeoff: There's many lucky folks out here that their cable company's don't encrypt much. But I'm one of the unlucky saps that lives near Boston where everything except over-the-air HD is encrypted...

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kormoc:

MrGeoff, and the STB is only one way

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MrGeoff:

Hah, I also live in Boston. I'm pretty used to just getting the five major networks.

[04:47:57]

MrGeoff:

They've got some random shopping channels and that MyNetworkTV thing too, but there's never anything on them.

[04:48:34]

MrGeoff:

How could certain cable companies get away with *not* encrypting the cable-only channels like ESPN and Discovery?

[04:48:51]

MrGeoff:

Maybe it's just from living here or something, but I thought that kind of encryption was some kind of requirement.

[04:49:37]

kormoc:

not at all

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MrGeoff:

Wow clearly I have to move then!

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jrr:

it's sad that this crap makes it into the new standards.

[04:50:06]

jrr:

you could record from cable on to your VHS all you wanted back in the day

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MrGeoff:

I guess they just don't want you being able to make perfect copies.

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J-e-f-f-A:

When I was in college, the cable companies used 'scrambling' techniques that would just scramble the sync signals. One day I discovered by putting a 'manual' cable tuner before the cable tv company's cable box, and by tuning the cable co's box to channel 3, I could tune in anything on the 'manual' box and watch for free...

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J-e-f-f-A:

That was, until the cable co box shut off because it didn't receive a 'broadcast' signal from the cable company after 2 days... ;-)

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MrGeoff:

Haha oops

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kormoc:

MrGeoff, in the past 1 year 9 months 22 days 16 hrs 4 mins, I've recorded 5 months 8 days 9 hrs 35 mins of tv, which is around 24% of the time

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MrGeoff:

Yeah I guess now that everything is digital and they can force fancy STB equipment on you, then can use serious protection instead of the kind of joke scrambling they used before.

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decker77:

hi i was wondering if any one dvb t100 tuner card working with myth

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decker77:

anyone has the dvb t100 even

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MrGeoff:

kormoc, how much of that is available OTA vs. cable?

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jrr:

here's what happens when i try livetv now http://pastebin.ca/460625

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MrGeoff:

Just to get a sense of your viewing habits.

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kormoc:

MrGeoff, my top 10 channels, 1 is OTA (fox), the rest are cable, SciFi, Comedy Cen, TV Land, Spike, Food, USA, etc

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kormoc:

fox is around 10% of my shows

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: Just go into mythtv-setup and change your start channel to a 'legal' channel again. Then restart the backend.

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decker77:

t100 linux drivers any one? its getting detected as a t200

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MrGeoff:

kormoc, sounds like you're definitely getting your money's worth with cable. I don't think I'm quite there yet.

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kormoc:

decker77, no need to spam

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J-e-f-f-A:

decker77: I have no idea what a t100 is... I use an HD3000 and HD5500...

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decker77:

sorry :)

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kormoc:

MrGeoff, I'm also actually on satalite, Dish's basic $30 a month plan

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MrGeoff:

kormoc, what's the HD availability like with that, as it pertains to Myth?

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kormoc:

I have none available to me

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Milosch:

fscking interrupt sharing is killing me

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kormoc:

and I don't think you can

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J-e-f-f-A:

MrGeoff: I've got 3 Dish receivers and an HD3000 feeding my box... The only HD channel I record is Fox25 for "24" – the rest comes off the dish channels – Science Channel, TLC, etc...

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, in hd?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: No, just the HD3000 is HD — ota boston channels.

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MrGeoff:

J-e-f-f-A, I have an HD-3000 as well but I find the analog quality is very poor. I think I could do better with a PVR-150, but since I'm not sure if I'll have anything other than OTA, and they're supposedly shutting down analog OTA in a couple of years, it seems like a PVR-150 wouldn't be a very good idea.

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Yeah, sorry, I wasn't that clear...

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MrGeoff:

J-e-f-f-A, how would you compare the analog recording quality of your HD-3000 to whatever you're using to capture your Dish receivers?

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J-e-f-f-A:

MrGeoff: I don't even use the 'analog' side of my HD3000... I bought it to do HD!!! ;-) I use the PVR-500 and PVR-250 with 3 dish receivers feeding it S-Video... Perfect quality...

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jrr:

haha – mythtv-setup says that 'starting channel' is 'updated on every successful channel change.'

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: Yep, so when you changed it to DiscoveryHD, it was changed...

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MrGeoff:

I have to use the analog side of it because it's all I have. If it were a few years ago I think that would be fine, but now I'm spoiled by HD, and since the satellite companies are moving to HD, I want to wait and see how Myth will be able to work with that.

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jrr:

J-e-f-f-A: and that was a *successful* channel change?!

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: So set it to a non-5c channel, then remove that 5c channel from your channel lineup.

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jrr:

rinse and repeat for each HD channel

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jrr:

going back to mythtv-setup each time

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: It successfully changed, but then said "oh crap! What the hell is this signal?!?"... ;-)

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MrGeoff:

jrr, think you can change it in the DB without Myth caring too much?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: Google for your specific cable box... you may be able to find a menu on the box to tell which channels are 5c encrypted...

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MrGeoff:

i.e. without mythtv-setup.

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jrr:

J-e-f-f-A: good idear.

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: I've got a somewhat simular issue — My backend has a HD card, and Myth defaults to the HD card when 'livetv' is selected. So if I try to watch 'live tv' from an SD-only frontend, it hangs for about 60 seconds, then bounces back to the menu.

[05:04:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: Then with a 'normal' tv hooked up to your box, go through each channel, noting the ones that are encrypted.

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jrr:

*normal* tv. pishaw.

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: Once I get my new backend setup, I'll see if I can get my C (++?) programming skills up to par to try to implement a frontend setting flag to indicate 'SD Only' so that it won't attempt to use the HD tuner for that frontend...

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: Either that,or feed the box's s-video or composite video to your myth box, and watch it with mplayer. Otherwise you're talking about a 2–3 second on-screen delay due to myth's buffering...

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jrr:

if there were a good way of capturing HD component video, we could sort of work around this 5c crap by sacrificing a little bit of quality

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: Yeah, that will probably be the way it will happen... The only issue it that the HD recordings would be HUGE... Probably 2 or 3x the size of the 'true' digital HD signal. This would be because the 'consumer' mpeg encoders are nowhere near as efficient as the multi-pass encoders the networks use...

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: As an example, Dish Network SD is broadcast in 544x480, and is only 1GB/hr at an incredible quality. To get the same quality with my PVR-500 using s-video, I'm looking at a 3GB file...

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jrr:

do most (lucky) myth HD users not transcode 'em anyway?

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jrr:

if the source encoding is awesome enough, and if the user wants to preserve high resolution and surround sound, perhaps it wouldn't help

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Sid`:

jrr: i don't. although the 'HD' we get here is at best 720p

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: I don't... but I don't record much HD yet — Just '24' atm... and with 760GB on my backend, I don't worry about a few 6GB HD programs... ;-)

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Sid`:

and disk space is cheap

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jrr:

what i was getting at is whether a backend transcode, going to mpeg4 or mkv or whatevs, could be better than the source encoding

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MrGeoff:

Stuff that I watch right away, I don't re-encode at all. HD stuff for later I downconvert to DVD and it still looks really good.

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Sid`:

it's never going to be BETTER

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jrr:

which would render the hugeness of an analog hd capture less relevant

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jrr:

Sid`: better compression. better visual/auditory "ooh/aah" per megabyte.

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Sid`:

ah

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Sid`:

as opposed to flat-out better quality

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: I've got an older DishPlayer 7200 system — it was the "WebTV" model dish sattelite receiver. It's got a HD. When MS bought WebTV, they enhanced the box to be the first PVR for dish...

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Sid`:

well, yeah, you could. but why would you?

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jrr:

Sid`: save a little space? throw away the spanish?

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Sid`:

comes down to balancing your available resources i suppose

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jrr:

bring 1080i down to 720p

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jrr:

J-e-f-f-A: the satellite companies are known for having very different definitions of "HD" from the rest of us

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: Theoretically a transcoded recording does not have to look worse than the original. Using multi-pass algorithms, it can actually look quite nice. The problem is that it can't be done in *real time*, like the hardware the networks have does... It takes a long time, even on a powerful processor...

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: My DP7200 was my 'mythtv' before I got myth... I'd record programs on it, then rip them to my PC, then burn them to DVDs. The issue was that a show recorded on the living room PVR could only be viewed in the living room, same for the bedroom PVR, etc... Plus it took a while to do the 'rip', and several manual' steps to make it all work ok so that you don't goof up the HD's data and crash the sat receiver... Myth i

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: Now I've got 4 frontends that can all watch the same content, or different content, all at the same time... ;-) Works GREAT!!!

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jrr:

i expect i'll wind up using myth for convenience, wrt movies and emulators and all the other plugins

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jrr:

i'll hafta flip over to the dvr for all the 5c channels =[

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: Yeah, the 5c stuff stinx...

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jrr:

it only has 120 gigs, too, which won't hold that much hd

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jrr:

probably not even the whole season of planet earth, for example =]

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: Should be about 20 hours or so...

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jrr:

the 120 would be plenty for time-shifting, which is what the box is marketed at

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jrr:

i'm more interested in archival

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: My DP7200 with a 120GB drive holds ~100 hrs of SD — that isn't quite HD, but it's pretty incredible quality...

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jrr:

i can't even watch SD any more

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Do you have FiOS TV?

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jrr:

i've been spoiled

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: Yeah, I know what you mean... HD is incredible... But most of the shows I record are in SD... And my son uses it more than me atm... He's probably seen just about every episode of CSI ever thanks to MythTV...

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: He's using my X-Box as a SD frontend. It works great for SD (although it's a little slow responding to menus as it's only 64mb ram...)

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** J-e-f-f-A waves to xris... ;-) **

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** xris wishes he had another 3 or 4 days to prep for linuxfest **

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xris:

kormoc: you actually went home?! :)

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** J-e-f-f-A wishes he lived closer to linuxfest so he could actually go to it!!! **

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kormoc:

heh, yeah

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xris:

hmm, linuxmce will be at linuxfest

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xris:

lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: <sarcasm> WOW! GET ME A DEMO DISK!!! </sarcasm> You mean it's not vaporware?!?

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xris:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

I want to see it detect all my cards, and my X-10 system, and automatically know to dim the lights just in the living room... Not the whole house, etc... YEAH, RIGHT!!!

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jrr:

J-e-f-f-A: i take it you've seen that video

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: Yep. I had to watch the whole thing, just to see how deep his $hit was...

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untitled:

morning

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bieb:

what video?

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** untitled just keeps gettin the message "can't change from none to none"... **

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J-e-f-f-A:

bieb: The 'linuxmce' video... It makes all sorts of claims that 'linuxmce' automatically sets up everything in your system, just by booting off the CD and installing it... yeah, right... (google for linuxmce if you want to see it...)

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MaverickTech:

sooooo...

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untitled:

MythSocket(82dc448:16): readStringList: Connection died (select) and this too..=(

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jrr:

it detects his television, and turns it on and off

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J-e-f-f-A:

MaverickTech: Yyyyeeeessss?????

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jrr:

that's pretty impressive

[05:39:10]

MaverickTech:

it just another prepackaged distro for myth + addon stuff ?

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xris:

MaverickTech: it's an attempt to get plutohome to work under debian instead of their custom distro

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MaverickTech:

LinuxMCE : BRING ME COFFEE

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jrr:

make me breakfast

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xris:

along with a few other goodies that are complete vaporware

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MaverickTech:

/mutter – better not be that instant stuff either

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J-e-f-f-A:

MaverickTech: Yeah, with that guy's claims, it would probably do it...

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kormoc:

jrr, after a hour of coding, I could make gentoo detect my tv and turn it on and off... is that impressive?

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jrr:

kormoc: how did you talk to it?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: But no — it automaticaly detected it — and his VCR make/model too... he didn't have to do anything, remember?!?

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kormoc:

jrr, lirc and the nvidia driver

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xris:

jrr: lirc?

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: so it's vaporware like linuxMCE that gives linux a bad name.....

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MaverickTech:

wtf is a 10' UI ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah... MaverickTech: Exactly!

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xris:

MaverickTech: as explained to me: "visible/usable from 10 feet away"

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jrr:

kormoc: what was impressive was that the dude claimed not to have done any configuring. no lirc, no manufacturer codes, nothing

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mchou:

MaverickTech: that's self explanatory :)

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kormoc:

jrr, someone did the configuring sometime, so he did it and then rolled it onto a live cd, that's not really that hard at all

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mchou:

jrr: he may not have done any configuring, but someone had to put in a zip code :)

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MaverickTech:

10 feet away in my house, I am in another room – am I still supposed to me able to see it </idiot-mode>

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** jrr contemplates removing channels in the zap2it listings instead of myth gui **

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mchou:

MaverickTech: it's not the dude's fault that you live in a trailer :)

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kormoc:

jrr, as people said as well, it's largely just a 'port' of plutohome, so it's not even like he did all the work, plutohome did it, and he's just 'marketing' it to a different customer base

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Oh, but maybe he had a GPS hooked up to the serial port, and it automatically detected it and got his latitude and longditute and figured it out... After all, it automatically found his bluetooth phone and downloade an application to it to control the system... ;-)

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MaverickTech:

I prefer to have it referred to a a 'mobile executive residence' – THANK YOU !

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J-e-f-f-A:

MaverickTech: rotfl!

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mchou:

MaverickTech: cant think of a room in my house that's less than 10 ft except the bathroom :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

MythTV has at least an 8' UI in that case then... I can read the screen just fine from my bed, with the monitor on a bracket up on the wall near the cieling...

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mchou:

anyway, someone go see a real demo of this thing and tell us for real how much configuring is necessary

[05:48:01]

mchou:

or better yet get the livecd

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jrr:

what script or text box should i put the firewire init lines in to have them executed a) when myth starts and possibly b) on demand?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Good luck... I haven't seen a 'working' download link for it yet...

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mchou:

jrr: huh??

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mchou:

firewire init lines?

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jrr:

commands

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mchou:

what you mean by that?

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jrr:

doesn't matter to you what they are

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jrr:

i want to execute stuff when myth starts

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Are you presenting at linuxfest?

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jrr:

and possibly have a button for it

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untitled:

guys, i get an authentication reject error

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untitled:

where can i set up authentication options?

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untitled:

reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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untitled:

like this

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mchou:

untitled: what's that got to do with myth?

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: just exhibiting

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untitled:

backend runs on the same machine as frontend

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xris:

too lazy to do a presentation.

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Ah, that's why I didn't see you on the 'Presenters' page... Looking at Exibitors now... ;-)

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untitled:

mchou, id doens't work i guess

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: of course, I *could* just play juski's video and answer questions. heh.

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untitled:

i have to add some access permissions to mythtv somehow?

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Yeah, that video is pretty neat. You guys will obviously have some systems setup, right? ;-)

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mchou:

xris: at linuxfest they have cable (as in coax cable TV feeds)?

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mchou:

xris: or is this just some precanned stuff?

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: the one we borrowed from work to use is being problematic.

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xris:

kormoc says it has something to do with the f'd up marvell chipset on the motherboard screwing with the south bridge.

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Yuck. No wonder you wish you had more time...

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: worst case, we each bring a machine from home.

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xris:

mchou: prerecorded. MIGHT be able to receive something OTA

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: wtf is 'marvell' chipset?!? I've heard of Via, Intel, Nvidia... Wtf is 'marvell' ??? Last I knew it was a COMIC BOOK company!!!

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

there aint no Marvell chipset

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xris:

marvell makes raid controllers. apparently intel is using some of their stuff for the onboard sata/pata controller

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xris:

mchou: sure there is. it's the drive control chipset

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mchou:

lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Maybe it can be disabled in the bios?

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xris:

I never said "motherboard chipset"

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jrr:

okay, in the program guide, how do i tune the selected channel (enter brings up a context menu)

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: apparently not. and I don't want to try to talk work out of a 3ware controller or anything like that. not worth it

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: IIRC- "m"

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xris:

they're already shelling out $$$$ ($?) for the weekend.

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xris:

actually, I'm positive it's $$$$$

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Bummer. Well, hopefully you guys can come up with a working system for a live demo, at least of pre-recorded programs and videos, and music...

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mchou:

xris: most ppl refer to that as the drive controller

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: plenty of recorded stuff. I've been archiving Planet Earth for the last few weeks.

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mchou:

not 'drive control chipset'

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: So he left out one little word... He's only human! ;-)

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xris:

mchou: I haven't slept much in the last week or two. :P

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: no, he put in too many words

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** J-e-f-f-A has linuxworld envy! **

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: I would LOVE to exhibit at LW

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jrr:

after mythtv-setup, when it asks me to run mythfilldatabase, need i do it? (does it store anything besides freshly downloaded programming?)

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mchou:

I dunno, LW is kinda boring

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** J-e-f-f-A *er*... I meant linuxfest... ;-) But Linuxworld would be nice too! **

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J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: If you've already run it, then no, as long as you didn't add/delete/change your sources...

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mchou:

you see lots of HW at LW

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mchou:

like lots of heavy iron

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J-e-f-f-A:

This weekend I'll be going to a friend's wedding in NYC on Saturday, and the "Trenton Computer Festival" in NJ on Sunday... Not quite linuxfest, but you take what you can get!

[06:01:28]

mchou:

but crap no one in their right mind would buy even if you work on Wall St. IT

[06:01:38]

mchou:

lol

[06:01:57]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: what is that, a NJ computer swap? :)

[06:02:13]

jrr:

okay, this remember-last-succesfully-tuned-channel feature needs help

[06:02:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Hey — I work in IT, and my company's product does full front-office to back-office trading... ;-)

[06:02:40]

jrr:

i can kinda sorta understand it not realizing there's a problem with a 5C black screen that sits there

[06:02:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

jrr: I think that's why kormoc (?) suggested using the SVN version instead — he said many firewire fixes... Maybe that's one of them?

[06:03:00]

jrr:

but when i get a myth error about tuning the channel, i expect it not to try the same channel next time i push 'watch tv'

[06:03:05]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: tell me how many blades then your customers have invested :)

[06:03:39]

jrr:

it would seem i'm unable to use even the non-5c hd channels, so yeah i guess i'll try svn

[06:03:43]

mchou:

jrr: that's a fallacy

[06:03:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Check out http://www.tcf-nj.org

[06:04:03]

jrr:

mchou: what is?

[06:04:19]

mchou:

jrr: cause some stations turn on 5C only for certain programs

[06:04:32]

mchou:

jrr: i.e. not "on" all the time

[06:04:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: We use Tandem 'mainframes'... ;-) Huge million-dollar (sometimes multi-million) systems... PC's only run the emulators on our desktops... ;-)

[06:05:01]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: Tandem is outta bizness

[06:05:03]

mchou:

:)

[06:05:07]

jrr:

mchou: i see.

[06:05:11]

sivel27:

hello

[06:05:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Oh, I don't think so! ;-) We've got 14 of them to prove that!!!!

[06:05:44]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: that's why they outta bizness

[06:06:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Ok, so they're called "HP NonStop" now...

[06:06:31]

sivel27:

quick question, if i grab a irblaster with a proper lirc config, can i control my stb remotely from the laptop via keystrokes?

[06:06:42]

mchou:

I havent seen HP nonstop demoed at any LW

[06:07:13]

mchou:

I see plenty of HP and compaq blade computers though

[06:07:20]

mchou:

ridiculous

[06:07:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: When's the last time you saw a PC, running any OS give seven-9's availability? Tandem is proven 99.99999% availability... ;-) (Sorry, the don't run Linux — But they do have a Posix-compliant Unix 'personality' that's halfway decent...)

[06:08:18]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: every day. I worked at HP on HA. 5 9's

[06:09:04]

xris:

9's what?

[06:09:20]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: lol, you've swallowed that tandem marketing BS wholesale

[06:09:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah, but 5 9's is not 7 9's... Ya know what I mean? Hey, I'm not out for a war... I've worked with Tandems for 18 years now. Nothing comes close to their fault-tolerance...

[06:10:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: In 18 years, I've only seen 4 or 5 major failures that required a system re-boot.

[06:10:26]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: I'd like to see 7 9's when your power grid goes out.

[06:10:50]

** xris still wonders what belongs to these 9s that's so special **

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jrr:

is there a known good historic subversion date i should go for? (or, perhaps, is it reasonably stable right now?)

[06:10:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: hehe... they have internal batteries that run the system 20 minutes without power. But the UPS and generators cover that...

[06:11:01]

mchou:

especially when the backup generator and UPS goes kaput :)

[06:11:08]

xris:

jrr: it's usually pretty stable

[06:12:01]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: let's just say WTC on 9–12

[06:12:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: And the latest NonStop servers are using Intel Itanium cpus, and almost the same boards as the HP Unix systems.

[06:13:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Well, you have to admit, that nothing could be 'good enough' to survive that event.

[06:13:30]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: sure, it's called remote mirror.

[06:13:53]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: assuming Tandem solved the split brain problem :)

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jrr:

can i expect the default ./configure options to be reasonable close to those that were used for the ubuntu package?

[06:14:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yep. We've got that too... It's called "Remote Database Facility"... sub-second remote database replication.

[06:14:39]

jrr:

yeah, well my servers are as redundant as yours.. *plus one!*

[06:15:39]

mchou:

jrr: our systems are so good they've got 9 lives!

[06:15:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

Oh well, this isn't MythTV related, so I'll quit... You 'win'...

[06:16:44]

jrr:

ewww qt3 dev tools

[06:17:48]

mchou:

anyone here have any experience with ntfs-3g?

[06:18:21]

mchou:

I'm wondering if it's 'safe' to use yet

[06:18:53]

mchou:

or if those devs are overblowing their "safety" record

[06:19:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Try it... You've got nothing to lose except your DATA! ;-)

[06:20:00]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: I kid you not, I use linux for data recovery

[06:20:17]

mchou:

for dumbass peeps who still use windows

[06:20:57]

mchou:

ntfs-3g would come in handy for virus scans :)

[06:21:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah, I do a fair share of that too for many people I know...

[06:21:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: My usual tool is 'bartpe'...

[06:21:29]

mchou:

like quarantine the positives

[06:22:07]

mchou:

old linux ntfs driver aint safe for writes

[06:22:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: (Which is basically a minimal XP 'live cd' that you build from a working, clean system)

[06:22:53]

mchou:

just today I recovered a disk for someone that was using vista

[06:23:07]

mchou:

that OS is veritably a POS

[06:23:24]

mchou:

who the hell would even want to use that crap?

[06:23:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I have two winblows boxes in my house... If my work software worked in linux, there would be 0 winblows boxes... Too much $$$ for an os with too many issues!

[06:23:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I think M$ just copied "LinuxMCE"... ;-)

[06:24:27]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: I had to 'take ownership' of files and folders on ntfs. that was truly torture on vista

[06:24:52]

mchou:

popped up a dialog on every single operation

[06:25:19]

mchou:

I got fed up and just handed over a knoppix boot disk to the guy

[06:25:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I haven't touched Vista yet — except on a PC in a store... And I wasn't all that impressed. They're just trying to make it more 'flashy' to compete with OS X – IMHO....

[06:25:49]

mchou:

and said, use this to copy your bad drive

[06:25:58]

mchou:

to fat32 :)

[06:26:23]

mchou:

xcalcs probably wouldnt even have worked

[06:26:39]

mchou:

anyway, I was majorly pissed

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: MSFT mad vista even more cumbesome to use than windows XP

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mchou:

cumbersome*

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mchou:

I didn't think that was possible

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mchou:

if the dude use linux he'd had no problems

[06:30:40]

mchou:

boot and runs just fine on different chipset

[06:30:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah, I tried to get around it by editing the motherboard's bios strings, but I couldn't trick it... Oh well...

[06:31:03]

Dagmar:

I don't see how the OEM copy it stupid, since it's the installer who failed to read the licence

[06:31:07]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: nope, that wouldnt work. that's a windows HAL issue

[06:31:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah, winblows would normally too, but it was an OEM version locked to a e-machines crap motherboard...

[06:31:23]

Dagmar:

...and who is still ignoring the obvious.

[06:31:57]

mchou:

Dagmar: what are you, the MSFT police?

[06:32:31]

Dagmar:

No, I just know better than to expect OEM versions of Windows to install on anything but the hardware they were deployed with.

[06:32:40]

Dagmar:

Anywya, if it's not worth paying for, then it's not worth using

[06:32:41]

mchou:

if the mobo fried then it's definitely not the dudes fault for getting it revived on another mobo

[06:32:58]

Dagmar:

Bitch all you like. Reality is on my side.

[06:33:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: The thing that pissed me off more than anything is that it just blue-screened and re-booted without warning. It should have at least blue-screened with a message that said something like "This copy of Windows XP is an OEM product that will not work on this hardware. Press any key to re-boot"...

[06:35:41]

Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: 9 times out of 10 you cannot swap mobos on XP. Period. Hell, you can't even go from ACPI to non-ACPI without a complete reinstall

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mchou:

Dagmar: you're so clueless

[06:35:52]

Dagmar:

mchou: Welcome to the ignore list, moron

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mchou:

Dagmar: good riddance

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: yes, it's a fact. There's a file that locks it to the hardware. I'm sure it's 'crackable', but I gave up trying after 2 weeks (only a few hours a week), and broke down and bought a new upgrade copy...

[06:36:42]

mchou:

Tanthrix: nah, you can swap. You just have to force a PCI bus rescan

[06:36:44]

Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: No, it's not a fact. The BIOS string thing is a fact (the mechanism that allows an OEM cd to work without activation/serial on the original PC it came with)

[06:37:02]

Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: There's seldom any such file... The thing simply has the drivers for that specific hardware selected as the defaults.

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mchou:

Tanthrix: have to clear the appropriate registry entries

[06:37:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: I have swapped motherboards and everyting on my XP box twice — no problems. But I have XP Home OEM that's NOT hardware locked... (They call it SLP at M$)

[06:37:59]

Dagmar:

The thing Tantrix is referring to can be defeated by modifying DMI data in the new board to match what was in the old one, provided the new board can store DMI data

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mchou:

and bios strings has virtually nothing to do with "compatible" reinstall

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Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: That's luck. It sometimes works, but not always. The point is, MS is not making some magical thing to make an OEM installation not work on a non-OEM system.

[06:38:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: Been there, tried that. Didn't work.

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mchou:

Tanthrix: bingo!

[06:39:04]

Dagmar:

They're mainly just making the things too stupid to install "safely" on any hardware but what it was bought with

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: Dagmar is talking outta his ass

[06:39:24]

Tanthrix:

There is no difference between an OEM cd and a retail CD with the exception of the BIOS string. Period.

[06:39:36]

Dagmar:

Umm... No.

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J-e-f-f-A:

I could have just got him a 'new' e-machines motherboard, but they're useless, so I went with a 'real' motherboard...

[06:39:49]

Dagmar:

I have about nine different images of XP Sp2 here

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Tanthrix:

Though sometimes the manufacture adds stuff

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mchou:

Tanthrix: actually there is. OEM CD don't have the 'Upgrade' step or some such

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Dagmar:

...plus I still have the MSDN CDs that are distributed just for making OEM install images.

[06:40:35]

mchou:

lol

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Tanthrix:

mchou: You are right about that. Some OEM cds won't let you do a repair install, which is damned annoying

[06:41:00]

mchou:

Dagmar is such a dumbass. he thinks the OEM kit is a customization of the HAL

[06:41:04]

Dagmar:

...which is why I wasn't tolerating mchou's bullshit--not when I have the very tools MS gives out for manuf's and large companies to make custom CDs

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I wouldn't say that Dagmar is making stuff up... I've researched it, and tried to get around the hardware-locked OEM XP, and was not successful at all... And I'm the 'go-to' tech guy that can fix anything.... Well, ALMOST anything!!! This was the first time I "failed"... :-(

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: bs! I've done it successfully on different chipsets and mobos every time

[06:41:53]

Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: You have to remember that mchou is one of those asses that refuses to believe anyone could possibly know anything he doesn't.

[06:42:23]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: trust me when I say you need to force a PCI rescan to change the HAL

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Give me a break. You act like a first class arrogant asshole sometimes around here as well. (You are often entitled to, but none the less)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: So pick up a used e-machines box on ebay, with a working XP install, and try to replace the motherboard with an Asus... let's see if you can get the e-Machines OEM XP install to work. Good luck!

[06:43:05]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: if the emachines mobo didn't die I'd tell you how to do it :)

[06:43:07]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Yeah, but I generally don't start calling people names when I don't like what they're saying

[06:43:13]

Tanthrix:

This is true.

[06:43:28]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: I'll tell you how exactly to do it. It's simple

[06:43:50]

Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: Modifying the coooked CDs are more trouble than it's worth, IMHO.

[06:44:00]

Tanthrix:

In any case, I'm inclined to believe mchou, since I've had first hand experience with this. XP is *not* designed to be able to be popped into a new system and work perfectly

[06:44:08]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: on the emachines you get from ebay, you create a new user profile.

[06:44:12]

Tanthrix:

It almost always doesn't work, even with RETAIL cds

[06:44:37]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: then you put the HDD on the ASUS.

[06:45:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

That was the other problem... Disc1 of the e-machines recovery disk was scratched to hell and was un-readable... Besides, it would have required a 'recovery', therefore wiping out all of his data and installed programs.... Not an option.

[06:45:10]

mchou:

when Asus boots up, it will prompt you for which machine profile to use

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Dagmar:

The normal CD does a "safe" install, just like linux distros tend to boot their install CDs with a kernel with a much broader set of features just to make sure the thing can boot up

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Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: In any case, you're totally jumping to conclusions here. I think out of all the times I've tried (with retail installs) of swapping mobos, about once or twice it's actually worked

[06:45:44]

mchou:

you choose the 'new' machine profile. This is still at the black screen stage

[06:45:53]

Dagmar:

One of those things you can do with the dev kit is specify drivers that don't need to be bothered with, as well as set default chipset drivers, etc etc.

[06:46:09]

mchou:

at this stage the PCI bus scan will happen.

[06:46:26]

Dagmar:

e-Machines OEM XP install to work. Good

[06:46:27]

Dagmar:

luck!

[06:46:29]

mchou:

and live happily with old HDD on new ASUS

[06:47:26]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: also, I meant new 'machine' profile instead of 'user' profile earlier

[06:47:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Ok, but that assumes a working OEM motherboard. This one was totally fried... I even tried to do a recovery install from my laptop's xp Home disc. Didn't fix the SLP oem hardware lock... Oh well, with a rebate the os was only $49...

[06:48:10]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: well, that's what I said earlier, need old mobo to be working

[06:48:23]

mchou:

or an exact replacement.

[06:48:23]

Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: I actually regularely use dell OEM cds at work to do reinstalls on random machines, since it doesn't ask for a serial until activation time. Works perfectly every time. Your problem is simply that XP sucks at moving around.

[06:48:39]

Dagmar:

...and Dell is lazy

[06:49:21]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: but it can be done successfully every single time, different chipsets and everything

[06:49:32]

mchou:

I've never had a failure.

[06:50:19]

mchou:

Tanthrix: Dagmar goes on about drivers but he doesn't understand the HAL is beneath the driver layer

[06:50:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Like I said, i've upgraded my 'main' system's hardware twice, motherboard and all, and didn't have any issues. That's XP Pro OEM full... I don't even think it complained about the new hardware... (although it's been about 1–1/2 years since I upgraded it the last time...)

[06:50:45]

mchou:

and that's really what's controlls a successful 'migration'

[06:51:11]

mchou:

has nothing to do with drivers

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Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: And what exactly makes you think that your 2 time ancedotal evidence means *anything at all*?

[06:51:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: eh? Probably because my version is not "SLP Locked", whereas the e-machines version is...

[06:51:59]

Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,554877,00.asp

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mchou:

Tanthrix: that writer is clueless

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Dagmar:

There's an article in Microsoft's KB explaining what will and won't result in XP needing to be reactivated

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mchou:

Tanthrix: he didnt try my trick outlined earlier

[06:54:16]

Tanthrix:

mchou: I'm just illustrating that you can't magically swap motherboards without doing anything and expecting it to work. Just shows a complete lack of experience or googling for that matter

[06:54:24]

Tanthrix:

(Not that your method doesn't work)

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Dagmar:

For the most part, if you change three things of signficance at once, that's all it takes. Motherboards with integrated IDE controllers... well, there's two things right there. Integrated NIC being a third... bang, done.

[06:55:20]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: You mean that's all it takes to make XP complain / BSOD/

[06:55:21]

Tanthrix:

?*

[06:55:38]

Dagmar:

That's all it takes to make it get pissy and suspect you might be pirating it

[06:55:48]

mchou:

Tanthrix: deleting certain registry keys work also, but that's way more complicated than the method I outlined earlier

[06:55:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: Whatever... I googled and googled, researched, called, etc. You may think I'm a complete moron, but nothing could be further than the truth. I'm highly technical and can figure stuff out 99% of the time. This was one of the 1% times. Oh well, the horse has been beaten enough... I'm done...

[06:56:25]

Tanthrix:

Oh, right. Well, I linked to that article to show the hardware problems that arise, not the activation issue. (Which is another pain in the ass)

[06:56:29]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: seriously, try my method out. You'll be please

[06:56:35]

mchou:

pleased*

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: The guy in that article was pretty much on the right track by installing the new drivers before doing the hardware swap

[06:57:02]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: you will have to reactivate though

[06:57:05]

** J-e-f-f-A doesn't get paid nearly 6 digits for being a dumb-ass.... **

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Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: I don't think you're a moron, and I wasn't trying to be a jerk. My apologies if it came out like that

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: but that's hardly an issue :)

[06:57:57]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Yes, that is definately a good idea. By the way, do you know of any method of making a OEM CD that has repair installs locked out be able to do them?

[06:58:02]

PaulWay[w]:

News just in: people nice to eachother on IRC! End Of World predicted!

[06:58:06]

PaulWay[w]:

:-)

[06:58:15]

** Tanthrix hugs everyone and starts singing **

[06:58:18]

gbee:

ok, here's my user question for the day

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J-e-f-f-A:

PaulWay[w]: HA! Where have you been for the last 20 minutes?!?

[06:58:44]

PaulWay[w]:

Hey, people were actually apologising!

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gbee:

a HVR 1300 should be good to hookup to my STB?

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Afaik that's probably one of the things in the dev kit. Since the repair stuff is a chunk of the CD that can be omitted, if they leave it out you can't exactly enable missing files.

[07:00:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: Haven't heard of it, but some googling turned up a few hits that people seem to have it working in Linux...

[07:00:52]

Dagmar:

Break out cabextract or something and do a file-by-file compare of the contents of a few manuf-provided OEM CDs and say, teh upgrade CD

[07:00:59]

Dagmar:

You will find LARGE chunks of differences

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gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: I know it works, I was helping a user install it just last night

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Dagmar:

Most of the binary files will be the same, but there will be like a dozen control files you'll see showing up with different contents reguluaru

[07:02:01]

gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: I'm just be cautious and double checking that it should be ok used to record from the STB

[07:02:03]

Tanthrix:

Hrm, interesting

[07:02:13]

mchou:

Tanthrix: this PROVES Dagmar doesnt know wtf he is talking about: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q249694

[07:02:18]

Dagmar:

Damn I have been trying to find the MS KB page that explains how they generate the hardware identifier, but i'm coming up with bupkis

[07:02:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: How much is it? If it's more than a 150, then I wouldn't waste it on a STB... IT's a HD tuner, right?

[07:02:26]

gbee:

it's a silly question, I already know the answer but if I'm spending money I want to be sure

[07:02:26]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: you too ^^

[07:02:40]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: re swapping mobos

[07:03:36]

mchou:

Tanthrix: J-e-f-f-A : see all the products it applies to......

[07:03:41]

gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: it's a dual analogue/dvb card and potentially cheaper than the 150

[07:03:53]

mchou:

Tanthrix: J-e-f-f-A: includes XP

[07:04:34]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Not that I'm suggesting such a thing, but if you contact some of your more professional pirates locally, they can probably hook you up with a few "magic" MSDN versions of the CD images

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Tanthrix:

hehe

[07:05:05]

mchou:

Tanthrix: you read the link I provided?

[07:05:28]

xris:

Dagmar: or know someone who works for MS.

[07:05:37]

xris:

vista will eventually be worth the $50 I paid for Ultimate.

[07:05:43]

mchou:

lol

[07:05:50]

Dagmar:

Yeah

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Dagmar:

Wading through the documentation on how to use the devkit kinda makes you say "Hmm... maybe ther'es something to that advanced MS training shit"

[07:06:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Are you taking orders? ;-) That's the most I would pay for that....

[07:06:48]

xris:

J-e-f-f-A: sorry. a friend's brother worked for ms until very recently..

[07:06:51]

xris:

no more goodies.

[07:07:14]

xris:

not that I can install vista for my wife until they fix the gaming framerate problems...

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IronEag1e:

good morning

[07:08:12]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: you check out the MSFT link I provided?

[07:08:33]

gbee:

for an OS that was in development for several years and yet lacked most of the promised features, you have to wonder why it's so bug ridden

[07:08:47]

Dagmar:

Wonder?

[07:08:54]

Dagmar:

Why would you wonder?

[07:08:55]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: MSFT tells you how to do it!

[07:09:27]

Dagmar:

They've got a long track record of basically never getting anything right on the first go

[07:09:30]

Dagmar:

Worse than RedHat

[07:10:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah, I think I tried to do something like that, but couldn't due to the original MB being fried...

[07:10:03]

gbee:

now apologise to j-rod

[07:10:05]

gbee:

;)

[07:10:30]

xris:

rh seems to have done a decent job with rhel5

[07:10:35]

xris:

only a tiny bit delayed

[07:10:36]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: but you see my point though, it's more than possible, cause MSFT tells you so :)

[07:10:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I'm still highly sceptical that it would work on an SLP locked OEM copy...

[07:11:31]

** xris should go to sleep now and pack tomorrow **

[07:11:37]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: why? MSFT almost expects you to do it.

[07:11:53]

IronEag1e:

i've got a small question about mythvideo. Is there a easy way to watch a video file without having mythtv rescanning the directory with the videofiles, adding stuff to the db, complaining when files are missing from the directory etc?

[07:11:55]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: at least if you read that article....

[07:12:24]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: and I've done it b4 on SLP oem copies

[07:12:54]

Tanthrix:

Wootoff is still going..

[07:13:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I have no doubt at all it will work for a non-SLP locked OEM version, but I tried everything I could find for two weeks straight, and still BSOD flash/reboot – every time – no matter what I tried... Without an original working OEM mb, it was futile...

[07:13:15]

xris:

yup

[07:13:22]

Dagmar:

Damn you just HAD to mention there's a woot off

[07:13:38]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[07:13:54]

xris:

Dagmar: it's been going for over 26 hours now

[07:14:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: If I don't see you on here before linuxfest, Have a great time and get a bunch of Myth converts!!!! ;-)

[07:14:17]

xris:

:)

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xris:

forgot (meaning, didn't have time) to print a bunch of knopmyth disks to give away

[07:14:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: I was just gonna ask about that....

[07:15:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Bring a spindle of blanks with you and a sharpie... ;-) Burn them 'on the fly'...

[07:15:23]

gbee:

Dagmar: I wonder because how they managed it all those times in the past too, but especially now – is it bad management or are their programmers working in such a relaxed environment that they never do any work? Exactly how does the biggest company in the world, which hires the best programmers in large numbers still manage to deliver vista years late, buggy and with more than half the 'revolutionary' new features? :)

[07:15:29]

xris:

J-e-f-f-A: pondered it.

[07:15:41]

xris:

no blanks, though

[07:15:56]

xris:

easier to tell people to apt/yum/etc it, anyway

[07:16:13]

xris:

gbee: answer: google

[07:16:27]

Dagmar:

gbee: Because when the "revolutionary new features" are mentioned in press-releases, it's often the first time the people supposedly coding it have heard of them, afaict

[07:17:00]

gbee:

hmm, really should read what I'm typing – missed words from that sentence

[07:17:51]

gbee:

Dagmar: that's true enough – but leaving those things out should mean development takes less time, not more? ;)

[07:17:53]

Dagmar:

Let's take Windows encrytped filesystem implementation for example

[07:18:08]

Dagmar:

When it was first mentioned to the press, from what I was told, it didn't exist yet

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J-e-f-f-A:

One of my co-workers had a cartoon on his wall — it showed a guy getting ready to go out the door, with a bunch of programmers in the room at their pc's — it said "You guys go ahead and start coding — I'm gonna go find out what they want."

[07:18:51]

Dagmar:

gbee; not when the coders then scramble to create and/or integrate a new product so that no one notices it was only recently added

[07:18:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

(That was probably MS...)

[07:20:29]

Dagmar:

Hell, depending on how you look at it, Windows encrypted filesystem support may *still* not exist

[07:20:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

... Thats no different than the company I work for... The Sales people are selling functionality that doesn't exist yet, and promising it in a very short timeframe, even though it's nearly impossible to deliver it... (And do they think to consult the programming staff first? NO!)

[07:21:08]

gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: reminds me of a similar cartoon I saw a few years ago

[07:24:10]

gbee:

Microsoft management are discussing the features they want in their next release and it ends with the senior guy looking at the list and asking his staff "So who do we steal these from?"

[07:24:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

... or they sell 'Replication' as a Real-time service... When in reality, it's not necessarily real-time. It's usually sub-second, but can also be minutes, or even hours or days behind if all the pieces are not functioning properly... In a perfect world, it is near-real-time, but they sell it as if it's *instantaneous*...

[07:24:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: Yeah... exactly...

[07:24:35]

gbee:

was funnier in cartoon form imho

[07:24:59]

gbee:

anyway, off to the barbers

[07:25:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: Wow, the barbers are open at 3:30am?!?

[07:25:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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Ediehow:

anyone around?

[08:00:22]

Ediehow:

how do i fix that?

[08:03:31]

xris:

reboot?

[08:04:54]

Ediehow:

xris: it occurs sometimes

[08:04:58]

Ediehow:

causing problems in playback

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Ediehow:

i can't figure out how to fix it

[08:06:31]

xris:

sorry, no clue

[08:06:38]

** xris is too tired to think. **

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xris:

'night

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raceme:

hi; is there anybody using the freebox capture card around ?

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juski:

morning

[08:46:16]

gardengnome:

morning

[08:46:21]

** gardengnome yawns **

[08:46:36]

juski:

oo while I remember I have to edit my quit message to say "ubuntu must die"

[08:46:41]

gardengnome:

i wish y "m" key was working properly.

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gardengnome:

juski: problems in feisty as well?

[08:47:20]

juski:

yeah

[08:47:35]

gardengnome:

ugh. what is it this time?

[08:47:41]

juski:

problems stemming from people installing packages without ever seeing the docs

[08:48:09]

juski:

and more automagical stuff confusing the living hell out of folks once they consult the _official_ docs

[08:48:56]

juski:

I think the more the packages steer away from the official installation/config methods, the worse things will get

[08:49:10]

directhex|work:

official meaning "./configure && make"?

[08:50:36]

Dagmar:

juski: I'd blame people who are making *stupid* automatic functions

[08:52:30]

directhex|work:

you have to be a wilful idiot to fail on 7.04, given even the most common errors now cause a big tooltip explaining what you did wrong, why, and how to fix it

[08:52:46]

directhex|work:

and there's no cure for wilful idiots

[08:53:47]

gardengnome:

i'll try the feisty packages soon

[08:54:45]

gardengnome:

today mythtv-ish task will be finding out which ATI card is best suited for a mythtv box. my critera are low power consumption, the ability to output PAL and cheapness.

[08:54:56]

directhex|work:

gardengnome, um... ati?

[08:55:14]

gardengnome:

yes. i want truly free drivers.

[08:55:29]

gardengnome:

i really don't want to deal with various binary crappiness anymore.

[08:55:39]

gardengnome:

i'm getting too old for that :)

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directhex|work:

so get an s3 chrome card!

[08:57:03]

directhex|work:

i personally wouldn't support ati for half-arsed actions LONG in the past

[08:58:08]

gardengnome:

s3 chrome? i think they're really hard to get.

[08:58:20]

gardengnome:

it's not about supporting anyone.

[08:58:35]

gardengnome:

it's about getting a card that'll work. without binary blobs.

[08:59:26]

directhex|work:

alternatively go with onboard graphics from intel or via

[09:00:06]

gardengnome:

too late for that :)

[09:00:20]

gardengnome:

i've already got a nice nforce2 mother board for that box

[09:00:28]

directhex|work:

my query is over the juxtaposition of "ATI card" and "suited for a mythtv box"

[09:00:38]

juski:

good luck with that :)

[09:00:41]

directhex|work:

given you can't do things like XvMC with ATI

[09:00:41]

juski:

binary blobs ftw!

[09:00:52]

directhex|work:

with or without ati's shitty blobs

[09:00:59]

gardengnome:

directhex|work: i don't care about XvMC.

[09:01:14]

gardengnome:

directhex|work: i just want 3d acceleration and a card that'll output PAL modelines

[09:01:36]

directhex|work:

3d?

[09:01:42]

gardengnome:

3d.

[09:01:57]

gardengnome:

for mythgame and the opengl menus

[09:02:02]

juski:

anyway about ubuntu I'd advocate making the packages invisible to the GUI package manager

[09:02:36]

juski:

it's a logical assumption to think that clicking to install an 'available' package _will_ actually install it properly

[09:02:37]

directhex|work:

juski, so talk to the packager

[09:02:54]

juski:

oh I forgot to add 'if I cared that much'

[09:03:03]

juski:

let em fester

[09:03:05]

gardengnome:

heh

[09:03:47]

juski:

I got my mythtv working, it still works & as long as that remains I'll concentrate on that

[09:04:16]

gardengnome:

i wrote an email to tvmovie last night. they've got this desktop EPG app. i hope they'll let us use their data officially as XMLTV. there are unofficial converters out there but i'm not going to pay 13€/year only to find out they changed the data format

[09:04:23]

gardengnome:

i so want good EPG data.

[09:04:33]

directhex|work:

maybe a debconf warning. that'd work.

[09:04:34]

IronEag1e:

juski: my mythtv installation works now o/

[09:04:51]

IronEag1e:

just need to figure out how to use the mythvideo part in a sane way

[09:05:11]

directhex|work:

i forget which packages do it, but some have an "are you absolutely sure? here's why you suck" prompt which aborts installation if necessary

[09:05:25]

juski:

directhex|work: if they can make it so you can't easily dismiss it without reading it, all the better

[09:06:07]

directhex|work:

juski, they can make dire warnings in capital letters, but debconf doesn't support a "read or die" mode

[09:06:29]

juski:

ach well.

[09:07:55]

directhex|work:

essentially they just need a debconf warning on installation of the "mythtv" package which will tell you off if you don't have mysql-server, then mythtv-backend, installed, first

[09:08:27]

directhex|work:

if not, return an exit code 1 on the pre-installation, which will cause apt to abort and remove the attempted package install

[09:08:51]

gardengnome:

tell that to superm1

[09:08:51]

juski:

then there's the other stuff like automatically stopping the backend if you run mythtv-setup (apparently) (!)

[09:09:24]

juski:

scratch that. that part came from a user last night so maybe isn't real

[09:09:43]

directhex|work:

hm? mythtv-setup bitches & moans if the backend is running

[09:10:04]

juski:

an idea if I'm bored at the weekend.. install festery fisty & see how much of a walk installing mythtv is for myself

[09:10:25]

directhex|work:

juski, depends whether you act stupid or not

[09:10:36]

juski:

I'll unplug my brain & everything!

[09:10:52]

directhex|work:

don't forget to plug it back in

[09:10:53]

juski:

will watching a Will Ferrel movie beforehand help?

[09:10:57]

gardengnome:

if you follow the docs, it should be a breeze

[09:11:09]

directhex|work:

try a couple of episodes of "dawson's creek"

[09:11:37]

juski:

that being the case I'll crash & burn like any other dumb user then.. in which case I'll STFU :)

[09:11:47]

directhex|work:

i'll try it now. i've got nothing better to do. well, except real work

[09:12:23]

raceme:

the ubuntu package does not configure /etc/sudoers so when mythtv-setup tries to stop mythtv-backend it does not work

[09:12:35]

directhex|work:

that's true. file a bug.

[09:13:05]

juski:

so it really does try to stop the backend running? ouch. sometimes you don't want that

[09:13:17]

raceme:

kuyes it does

[09:13:18]

directhex|work:

it asks you if you want to

[09:13:40]

directhex|work:

on the basis that mythtv-setup bitches at every turn if you don't

[09:14:03]

juski:

yeah I like how it bitches though :)

[09:14:10]

gbee:

what's this?

[09:14:11]

raceme:

dialog_question "MythTV Setup Preparation" "Mythbackend must be closed before continuing. Is it OK to close any currently running mythbackend processes?"

[09:14:43]

juski:

so if you're just going in to edit times your user jobs run between...

[09:15:44]

gbee:

hmm, we must have changed that in SVN because as long as I remember it only warns you that the backend is running

[09:15:45]

directhex|work:

juski, so you just need to implicitly know which operations can & can't be done with the backend running, after having to have dismissed myth's own 'backend running. feck off' dialog?

[09:15:47]

raceme:

mythtv (0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu6) feisty; urgency=low

[09:15:49]

raceme:

[ Mario Limonciello ]

[09:15:51]

raceme:

* debian/mythtv-setup.sh:

[09:15:51]

raceme:

- Start/Stop mythbackend & offer to fill database for user.

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directhex|work:

hm, i should really update my backports.

[09:17:01]

juski:

might have 30 mins free tonight to try it. took less than an hour last time

[09:17:02]

gbee:

directhex|work: in svn at least, it tells you what might cause problems e.g. changing card config etc

[09:17:39]

raceme:

directhex|work: last time i filled several bugs which have security grave just after the release of dapper; they have been acknowledged one month ago even after the release of edgy !

[09:18:30]

directhex|work:

raceme, some package maintainers are more responsive than others. and if it's in Universe, don't expect instant replies

[09:20:34]

directhex|work:

i should really be doing better than three meg a sec from mirror.ox.ac.uk

[09:20:53]

gbee:

I seem to recall at least two people complaining of segfaults in the last week, both were given instructions to get a backtrace, neither appears to have submitted one to trac >:(

[09:21:25]

juski:

if my backend would crash more regularly I _would_ bother running it under gdb

[09:21:58]

directhex|work:

my backend's been a little more stable since i forced it to use the cx88 for preference

[09:22:01]

gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3362 <= Err, f**ked up version of mysql maybe?

[09:23:48]

juski:

my BE is more than overdue an update anyway

[09:24:01]

juski:

reminds me of a trail of old binaries I need to get shot of

[09:24:35]

directhex|work:

aptitude dist-upgrade!

[09:24:37]

juski:

uninstalling via apt didn't get rid of the mythtv libs

[09:24:56]

juski:

NO. I'll build 0.20-fixes from source thanks very much :)

[09:24:59]

raceme:

directhex|work: I reported this bugs on 2006-06–12 with a (3 lines) patch, someone added another patch. Sympa does not work at all without these patches. Bugs is still open in low priority almost one year later: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sympa/+bug/49508 ... I don't accept universe excuse in that case from ubuntu: it takes 3 minutes to apply the patch and close the bug...

[09:25:17]

directhex|work:

apt-get doesn't remove dependencies unless explicitly made to

[09:25:26]

directhex|work:

aptitude does

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juski:

assumptions ;)

[09:26:12]

gardengnome:

no

[09:26:18]

gardengnome:

they've got different easter eggs.

[09:26:21]

gardengnome:

aptitude moo.

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juski:

why the need for both I wonder?

[09:26:40]

directhex|work:

aptitude does smarter dependency handling than apt-get, but the dependency removal thing bugs a lot of old-skool users

[09:26:56]

juski:

ah the _ego_

[09:27:02]

directhex|work:

it's all about old skool. there'd be a war if someone considered removing the utterly redundant dselect, for example

[09:27:18]

juski:

so let there be war be damned

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directhex|work:

for those who consider apt-get too modern & edgy

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juski:

"the linux community declares war on itself & self-destructs.. shock!"

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directhex|work:

raceme, that's lame. does the debian package have the same bugs? you could try filing the bug there

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gbee:

would like it if urpmi removed dependancies, bugs me when a package pulls in 20 other things but when you remove it they all get left behind :(

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directhex|work:

i think deborphan is a tool to manage that after the event

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directhex|work:

--auto-remove flag on apt-get

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directhex|work:

or APT::Get::AutomaticRemove apt.conf item

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directhex|work:

or use aptitude. there are lots of options. just a lack of people who can read documentation

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juski:

I think I remember trying apt-get remove --purge

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gbee:

wonder if smart handles removal of unused deps

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juski:

fisty'll be downloaded soon. 420kb/sec :)

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directhex|work:

apt-get remove --purge removes a package's config files

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directhex|work:

including debconf settings.

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juski:

ah

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juski:

that'd be why it didn't do what I expected then. not that I even knew that at the time

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directhex|work:

generally, use aptitude these days

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juski:

bit embarassing to admit that, what with me being a staunch yeller of 'RTFM'

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directhex|work:

and if it annoys you, disable the default behaviour of installing "recommended" packages

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juski:

for mythtv I'll stick to using the source

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juski:

I know what I'm getting that way

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gbee:

Nova-T going comparatively cheaply on ebay if anyone is interested

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gbee:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hauppauge-WinTV-Nova-t- . . . cmdZViewItem

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juski:

and I know who to blame ;)

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directhex|work:

i have a spare nova-t if anyone wants it

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** juski bids it up to £70.. bargin! **

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directhex|work:

still has the remote and ir receiver and everying. but i nabbed the batteries

[09:37:25]

** juski bids it up to £90.. bargin! wif remote! **

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directhex|work:

"HAUPAUGE NOVA-T PC TUNER with a SOFT ENCODER!" erm... what? what does a nova-t encode exactly?

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raceme:

directhex|work: i think the bug is not in debian as /var/run and /var/lock in tmpfs are a specificity of ubuntu which is not in deban

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gbee:

reason people aren't bidding on that Nova-T is that they aren't accepting paypal

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juski:

analogue video

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Dagmar:

That's usually a sign there's going to be fraud.

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directhex|work:

juski, what analogue video?

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Dagmar:

Paypal is VERY fast to dump people

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Dagmar:

They're not like ebay where it'll take weeks to decide someone is up to no good.

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Dagmar:

Paypal will dump people over just a couple of people claiming fraud

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juski:

I ordered 10 DBOX2's on ebay only to find the seller didn't ship em. Paypal was quick to get me an £800 refund. We didn't expect that

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directhex|work:

the picture's wrong too. the card being offerd is cx88, not saa7134

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gbee:

directhex|work: a month ago I was looking for a Nova-T, but although I'll never turn away a real bargin I no longer really need another tuner :)

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directhex|work:

gbee, lies! everyone needs more tuners!

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gardengnome:

juski: £80 for a dbox2? not bad

[09:40:18]

juski:

gardengnome: that's why we at work clubbed together

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gardengnome:

as in "f'ing expensive". :)

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juski:

we never expected to see the money again

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gbee:

well what I need now is an analogue card to hook up the STB to

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juski:

gbee: scan sell pvr150 sans remote for about £37

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Dagmar:

juski: Paypal does not screw around when it comes to fraud

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directhex|work:

free scan delivery is handy

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directhex|work:

when they actually have things in stock

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gbee:

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gbee:

it's been a while since I used scan, so I'd forgotten to check their price

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gbee:

old friend of mine used to work there

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juski:

so he's familiar with their sharp practices then ;)

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juski:

when they're good they're v. good I give em that

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directhex|work:

they can be quite shit at getting things in stock, but otherwise are fine

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gbee:

he quit or was fired or something, when I last heard from him (and this was some time ago) he was unemployed

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directhex|work:

at least they've never stolen from me, which is better than some popular uk online retailers

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juski:

if you ever take something back to returns in person, PRAY to $deity you don't get stuck behind a guy who's pissed at getting 2fps less than he thinks he should with his new hardware

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directhex|work:

blame windows!

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gbee:

juski: I've found the same is true for most of the online retailers – when things work they work well, but if you ever have a problem then ...

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juski:

took me 2 hours to swap a duff 512MB CF card once

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directhex|work:

truth be told i've had no problems with ebuyer

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directhex|work:

the only ones i would never use again are overclockers

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gbee:

with ebuyer I don't think I ever did get my postage refunded for the faulty item they sent me

[09:48:06]

gbee:

at least some online retailers (non-computer ones usually) will collect your returns from the door free of charge

[09:49:01]

gbee:

never had a problem with overclockers myself, but most of the stuff I bought from them was over the counter

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directhex|work:

i paid £25 for next-day evening delivery, they pocketed the money & sent it by economy post

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gbee:

directhex|work: ebuyer are just as guilty of that, in that they send everything with the same overnight delivery but if you only pay their supersaver delivery price they wait 3 days

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juski:

somebody here used to work for microdirect – they put returns straight back into stock

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directhex|work:

i get free delivery from scan, so for the most part i don't worry anymore

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directhex|work:

juski, pc world do that

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directhex|work:

that was part of my job when i once worked there. shrink-wrapping returned items

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gbee:

right, have to go out again, bbl

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juski:

it's understandable actually, knowing how unclued most buyers actually are ;)

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directhex|work:

no less clueful than most of the staff

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directhex|work:

pc world operates successfully on the "sound confident" method of sales. make it up as you go along, but sound more certain than the customer

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recurs|ve:

what are some good hardware specs for a dedicated mythtv server recording 2 streams plus one hdtv stream (possibly two)

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directhex|work:

analog or digital streams?

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juski:

you need a CPU, some RAM, a HDD or 2, probably a good case...

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directhex|work:

yeah, a good case is vital. preferably one with a window, and blue lights

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juski:

if you're gonna be playing HDTV, you need as fast a CPU as you can afford

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directhex|work:

core 2!

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juski:

1GB RAM minimum, I'd say

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juski:

as big a HDD as you can afford too – they've never been cheaper per GB so any excuse ;)

[10:19:22]

juski:

if you want to use my blootube-wide theme, 2GB RAM or more. I get commission

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directhex|work:

1 HDD? come now juski, this calls for an areca raid controller and at least 8 1tb drives

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juski:

I'm from the school of thought that believes all TV is infinitely disposable

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juski:

as opposed to the other school of thought which wants to keep everything ever recorded forever

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directhex|work:

so am i. but i also believe in the might of the e-penis

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directhex|work:

and 7tb usable space says "kiss my wookie" to those with wussy windows MCE machines

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recurs|ve:

juski: i will be streaming hdtv

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juski:

to where? on your home lan? it's about the only thing feasible w.r.t. streaming

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recurs|ve:

yes

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juski:

with _wired_ ethernet

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recurs|ve:

the server will only record and provide streaming

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recurs|ve:

yes wired

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recurs|ve:

wireless if possible, but i am not opposed to wired

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directhex|work:

wired.

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juski:

if it's just a backend machine you only need capacious storage. no need for hoofing great big CPU on the backend unless you plan to do a lot of post-porcessing

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recurs|ve:

can you give an example of post processing

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recurs|ve:

i will be storing the box in a rack connected to a nas with 6tb of storage space :)

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directhex|work:

don't even consider rackmount?

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recurs|ve:

what do you mean?

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directhex|work:

gah

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recurs|ve:

i already have a rackmount at my house

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directhex|work:

2 messages juxtaposed

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recurs|ve:

oh :P

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directhex|work:

that was "don't consider wireless"

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directhex|work:

then "rackmount?"

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recurs|ve:

ah i see

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recurs|ve:

like i said, soon my house will be wired up

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directhex|work:

multiple tuners in a rackmounted system? hm

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recurs|ve:

heh yea

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recurs|ve:

is that bad?

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recurs|ve:

or are you talking about running hot

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directhex|work:

well it might be a ticght fit unless your system is 4u

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directhex|work:

since the average 1u or 2u system will only take a pair of cards

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recurs|ve:

i am building it from scratch so a 4u is not out of the question

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recurs|ve:

i have 16 free right now so...

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recurs|ve:

so i can get away with a soso cpu?

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directhex|work:

are your miscelaneous streams analog or digital?

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recurs|ve:

i am not very good with video/audio

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recurs|ve:

so i have no idea

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recurs|ve:

i can tell you i have a hdtv antenna and will be using cable not routed through a stb

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recurs|ve:

anyhow, i will be using an Athlon 64 3200+, 1gb PC3200, and raid 0 drives (is this a bad idea?(

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recurs|ve:

sorry i meant 5300 :P

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directhex|work:

raid0 means "my data is worthless"

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directhex|work:

if your data is worthless, then fine

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IronEag1e:

i'm using a raid for my mythtv server... mirror for the OS and important data

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IronEag1e:

striping for the /myth partition containing the videos

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recurs|ve:

alright, i may use raid 0+1 then

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directhex|work:

i use raid5 throughout

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recurs|ve:

i didnt know if raid 0 would help any

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recurs|ve:

for that many streams (4 possible recordings at the same time)

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directhex|work:

it'll increase disk bandwidth

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recurs|ve:

plus fm radio recording :P

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directhex|work:

as to whether you need that disk bandwidth? only if you're getting ~4 hdtv streams at once

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directhex|work:

i'd be more concerned about pci bus flooding

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Captain_Murdoch:

recursive, are you going with a released version of Myth or svn?

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recurs|ve:

ill be trying svn first

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recurs|ve:

if i have some issues, then i will look at released

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recurs|ve:

i have never worked with myth before now so i have a long road ahead

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recurs|ve:

will a box with the above specs work?

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directhex|work:

it's not clear what kind of recording you're doing

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Captain_Murdoch:

if you're going with svn, you should investigate Myth's Storage Groups first before you layout your storage. The SVN version of Myth has Storage Groups which can intelligently spread out the I/O load across multiple filesystems which you could backend to different disks or raid sets.

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recurs|ve:

directhex|work: what questions do i need to ask

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directhex|work:

if you're not doing any post-processing, and doing hardware-encoding (or encodeless streaming) then there's no need for a cpu that fast

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recurs|ve:

directhex|work: oh, so what input cards am i using and if i will be encoding dvds and such?

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Captain_Murdoch:

recursive: post-processing = commercial flagging or transcoding to a lower resolution or mpeg-4 format to save disk space.

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directhex|work:

recurs|ve, it sounds like you're in .us so i can't really advise on that front. i don't have a full understanding of the options

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recurs|ve:

i will not be doing any post processing

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Captain_Murdoch:

that box is probably OK. my master backend is a p3–733 with 3 ivtv compatible cards in it. slave is a p3–550 with 2 HDTV cards in it.

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recurs|ve:

i will have more than enough space for everything for a while, and if i run out, i will simply buy more hdds

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Captain_Murdoch:

if you're in the US you'll want commercial flagging. :)

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recurs|ve:

Captain_Murdoch: please explain commercial flagging

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Captain_Murdoch:

elsewhere it doesn't work as good.

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directhex|work:

you don't need a fast CPU if the CPU is gonna sit idle. recording hdtv streams to disk isn't cpu intensive, it's bus and i/o intensive

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directhex|work:

same goes for IVTV

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directhex|work:

or DVB/ATSC

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recurs|ve:

okay

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directhex|work:

but not analog software cards

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Captain_Murdoch:

after or during a recording, Myth will run a job that scans the recording for commercials and puts marks in the DB to indicate where the commercials are at. then when you go to watch that recording, you can set it to auto-skip the commercials or you can hit a key to skip them manually when a commercial starts playing.

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recurs|ve:

oh NICE!

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Captain_Murdoch:

s/where the commercials are at/where it thinks the commercials are at/

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recurs|ve:

so i guess i will be doing some post processing

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Captain_Murdoch:

in the US it is pretty accurate, depends on what shows or networks you record. Most things I record it is 95+% accurate.

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recurs|ve:

but more than likely, i will not be reencoding

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recurs|ve:

i dont see a need for it at this time

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recurs|ve:

i may be putting my dvd collection on the box though, in that case there will be some serious need for encoding

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, just mentioned it because those are the main 2 post-processing jobs. some people even have Myth setup to automatically transcode a copy of certain recordings so they can watch them on their iPod.

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recurs|ve:

^^ wow

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Merlin83b2:

I'd do that if I had a commute to work.

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directhex|work:

i could set up a transcode for my PSP. might use the thing a bit more often

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recurs|ve:

heh

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directhex|work:

if my recordings were a bit more reliable, anyway. my reception sucks

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Captain_Murdoch:

Myth has User Jobs which are basically scripts that you can tell Myth to run when a recording finishes. you can put anything you want in a User Job and Myth will happily run it when the recording completes if you have turned that job on for that recording schedule.

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recurs|ve:

well if i am needing to encode, which the cards will do except for encoding dvd rips, will a 3200+ work fine?

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directhex|work:

yes

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Captain_Murdoch:

yes.

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recurs|ve:

what cards do you recommend for hdtv and cable?

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** recurs|ve is after the easiest setup :) **

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directhex|work:

i don't know enough about US TV to advise

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Captain_Murdoch:

you can setup Myth's JobQueue to only run jobs at certain times as well, so if you only want to run jobs from midnight to 8am, you can do so and they will just queue up when outside that window.

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recurs|ve:

nice, i have a feeling i will be very happy :)

[10:51:49]

recurs|ve:

Captain_Murdoch: are you in the us

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Captain_Murdoch:

hdhomerun is probably the easiest for US hdtv, hauppauge pvr-150 or 500 for cable. the 500 is dual-tuner so you can get more tuners per system.

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Captain_Murdoch:

yes. should be in bed but had a maintenance window for work this morning.

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directhex|work:

doesn't using a PVR mandate having a STB or three though?

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Captain_Murdoch:

if you have digital cable yes.

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Captain_Murdoch:

or if you want encrypted channels i should say

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recurs|ve:

Captain_Murdoch: i do have digital cable, but i have not yet heard of a card that will decrypt

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Captain_Murdoch:

some people use firewire with a STB to record.

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Captain_Murdoch:

myth can connect to a lot of STB's directly via firewire and control them and record from them.

[10:53:17]

recurs|ve:

i can get a stb for free, my roomie works for the cable company :)

[10:53:35]

recurs|ve:

Captain_Murdoch: hrm... i may do that then...

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juski:

note that the pvr150 & pvr500 cards are SDTV only

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directhex|work:

then again, we used to get magical free cable from the random rf cable in our student house

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juski:

sometimes you can use an HDTV tuner for digital cable channels but that obviously depends on your cable provider

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Captain_Murdoch:

do a search on the mailing list archives for more info on that. I don't use it, but a lot of people do.

[10:54:50]

recurs|ve:

if i did that with some encoding, would i need more cpu power, right (talking about fw with a stb

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, my hdhomerun will work with my cable provider, but it doesn't get all the channels, mainly the OTA stuff and home shopping junk.

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directhex|work:

you can probably decrypt with the right CAM. depends on your provider's T&C though

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Captain_Murdoch:

recurs|ve: no, there is no encoding with firewire, it's already MPEG-2

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recurs|ve:

Captain_Murdoch: wowzers :()

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recurs|ve:

what is cam?

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juski:

conditional access module

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directhex|work:

they have "cablecard" in the states don't they? something like that

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Captain_Murdoch:

don't think you'll find one for US stuff though.

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juski:

if you're in the USA forget all about accessing encrypted TV with just a tuner card

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recurs|ve:

juski: alright

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recurs|ve:

so i will need a stb

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juski:

as for cablecard.. the chances of that being supported in linux are slim

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recurs|ve:

and my best bet for hdtv is a hdtv card

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recurs|ve:

or should i pay to get an hdtv stb

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directhex|work:

it always looked like just a CAM to me. i dunno, it's all so confusing

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directhex|work:

a few simple standards, plus a hundred media companies' attempts to restrict them

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Captain_Murdoch:

recurs|ve: check into it first, you may be able to get the HD OTA channels over your cable line, so that may affect your decision on what cards to use/buy.

[10:57:29]

recurs|ve:

ota?

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Captain_Murdoch:

over-the-air

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directhex|work:

i.e. unencryped

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Captain_Murdoch:

not necessarily

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juski:

directhex|work: cablecard isn't just about decrypting the signal – an MCE PVR will record the stream encrypted as far as I know – and then the card will decrypt it via its closed driver

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Hugolp:

hi

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recurs|ve:

ah... so i may not need an antenna

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recurs|ve:

ill check

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Captain_Murdoch:

we have OTA encrypted here locally. there is a local "cable" company that uses OTA signals with a STB to decrypt them.

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directhex|work:

i'm confused. /me hugs freeview

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recurs|ve:

alright, so i may need a stb to get

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Hugolp:

I am building a mythtv server and just formated a secondary SATA hard drive to use it for recordings of mythtv, but I just dont know how to mount it. I am lost trying to configure fstab

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Hugolp:

can anyone help?

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recurs|ve:

but i could always get an antenna :)

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gardengnome:

Hugolp: have you read the man page to "fstab"?

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recurs|ve:

i know i can pull them that way

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gardengnome:

Hugolp: google also has valuable information

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Hugolp:

gardengnome: if I can edit fstab? yes

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Hugolp:

I have it in front of me now

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Captain_Murdoch:

directhex|work: they just have multiple frequencies that they use and they send multiple streams across each one. the STB decrypts them like it would if the signal was coming across a cable line instead of OTA.

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Hugolp:

I have formated the secondary hard drive using gparted

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Hugolp:

it worked fine

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recurs|ve:

Hugolp: man /etc/fstab <- i think this will work

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Hugolp:

I just cant mount it

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gardengnome:

Hugolp: no. read the manual. enter "man fstab" in a shell and hit enter.

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Hugolp:

recurs|ve: Ive done that

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Hugolp:

I just dont know how to get the UUID for the secondary hard drive

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** Captain_Murdoch heads back to bed, maintenance was over a while ago.... **

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gardengnome:

recurs|ve: no it wont.

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Hugolp:

or if I need UUID...

[11:00:43]

directhex|work:

juski, okay, ubuntu 7.04 install in vmware. you want the results of clicking to install mythtv in a clicky manner?

[11:00:48]

recurs|ve:

gardengnome: yours does though

[11:01:16]

directhex|work:

huggy|zzz, don't use the UUID> just use the device path.

[11:01:32]

directhex|work:

which will probably be /dev/sdb1

[11:01:36]

recurs|ve:

thanks guys, i will ask more questions as they come ):

[11:01:52]

recurs|ve:

i will be building this soon

[11:02:19]

recurs|ve:

oh and real quick, what do i need for each mythclient that simply streams off of a gbit network server

[11:02:30]

juski:

directhex|work: lemme guess.. just worky first time (tm) ?

[11:02:30]

directhex|work:

for HD? a big cpu

[11:02:36]

Hugolp:

directhex|work: so something like: /dev/sdb1 /media/internal1 ......... and the options that would work?

[11:02:36]

directhex|work:

juski, dunno, about to try

[11:02:41]

recurs|ve:

directhex|work: how big?

[11:02:55]

directhex|work:

recurs|ve, core 2 of some kind. plus a gig or two of ram

[11:03:09]

recurs|ve:

directhex|work: wow

[11:03:12]

recurs|ve:

rediculous

[11:03:17]

juski:

8GB if you wanna use blootube-wide

[11:03:30]

recurs|ve:

juski: i have no idea what that is

[11:03:39]

juski:

and quad SLI graphically thingummies

[11:04:45]

juski:

recurs|ve: each frontend is decoding hdtv on its own, so needs as much grunt as decoding & displaying HDTV takes

[11:05:10]

directhex|work:

juski, okay. firstly, it's not immediately available in the "add/remove programs" window. if you change from the default to "all available applications", it lists mythfrontend. the text describing it warns that mythtv-database must be installed first or network-accessible, and that a full install requires the "mythtv" package.

[11:05:21]

recurs|ve:

if i dont encode hdtv and record raw streams will i still need hella cpu

[11:05:35]

directhex|work:

juski, so do i ignore and just install the frontend? or install the "mythtv" package from the slightly more involved clicky package manager synaptic?

[11:05:46]

juski:

recurs|ve: you _can't_ encode hdtv. it always comes as mpeg

[11:05:47]

Hugolp:

hey and just last doubt what options are the usual or the best for a 320gig 7200rpm SATA hd that is going to be used for mythtv recordings?

[11:05:54]

recurs|ve:

juski: ah

[11:06:11]

directhex|work:

"defaults"?

[11:06:22]

recurs|ve:

thanks alot guys :)

[11:06:27]

juski:

recurs|ve: where you need the CPU & memory grunt is for playing it back, be that from live or recorded streams

[11:06:28]

recurs|ve:

you have all been a great help

[11:06:59]

Hugolp:

directhex|work: thanks

[11:06:59]

juski:

though streaming to several clients (frontends) will obviously place a load on the backend machine

[11:07:48]

recurs|ve:

juski: max of 6 frontends

[11:07:54]

juski:

and FYI if 5 frontends each want to watch live tv at the same time independently you'll need 5 tuners PLUS what you need for recording

[11:08:56]

recurs|ve:

juski: alright so my server needs to be able to support 8 tuners with 2hdtv

[11:09:05]

recurs|ve:

is that out of the question or no?

[11:09:17]

directhex|work:

juski, i'm not good at turning my brain off. what's my next step in the exciting adventure of playing dumb?

[11:09:21]

juski:

there are no limits in mythtv as such

[11:09:31]

directhex|work:

recurs|ve, good luck finding a modern board with that many PCI slots

[11:09:32]

IronEag1e:

recurs|ve: guess the problem will be pci slots

[11:09:35]

recurs|ve:

juski: alright

[11:09:44]

directhex|work:

pvr500? they're dual tuner. might help

[11:09:49]

recurs|ve:

directhex|work: IronEag1e: i will use dual tuner cards

[11:09:54]

recurs|ve:

yea...

[11:10:00]

IronEag1e:

recurs|ve: still 4 PCI slots

[11:10:05]

IronEag1e:

unless you're using pci express

[11:10:06]

juski:

recurs|ve: sounds like you might need 2 backends – a master & a slave. one of mythtv's best features is how scalable it is

[11:10:24]

recurs|ve:

juski: alright, i may need to do that then :P

[11:10:52]

recurs|ve:

2 tuners and one hd card

[11:10:58]

recurs|ve:

in each box

[11:11:08]

juski:

remember that it's not necessarily so that all 6 frontends will want livetv at the same time. indeed using mythtv properly you'll probably find yourself watching less 'live'

[11:11:29]

recurs|ve:

juski: very true

[11:11:47]

recurs|ve:

i am only starting with 3 rooms at first and only 2 really need live

[11:12:05]

recurs|ve:

the other is a theatre room that never uses live tv except for 24

[11:12:11]

recurs|ve:

and ufc fights

[11:12:26]

recurs|ve:

haha

[11:12:28]

recurs|ve:

yea true

[11:12:44]

qu0zl:

or having to wait till the ad-breaks to pee

[11:12:44]

juski:

also gone are the days of wasted hours randomly grazing channels

[11:12:45]

Hugolp:

ok, I did that, and it said the mounting directory doesnt exists so I guess I have to create it. What permissions that directory need?

[11:12:59]

recurs|ve:

i may just use 2 dual tuner cards and one hd card

[11:13:10]

recurs|ve:

and i may not even need the hd card :)

[11:13:23]

recurs|ve:

if i use a stb with firewire, correct?

[11:13:43]

directhex|work:

juski, okay. maximum retard mode on. installing frontend only despite the long and short descriptions warning that a backend is needed. point number 1: popup window that must be dismissed saying a) what the mysql password is b) how to change it c) where it's stored just in case

[11:14:05]

recurs|ve:

thanks again guys, have a good day :)

[11:14:10]

IronEag1e:

btw, any gotchas using old xboxes as mythtv frontends?

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juski:

correct me if I'm wrong but – isn't it _almost_ the case that the slowest CPU you can buy new these days is enough to play MPEG2 HDTV?

[11:14:11]

recurs|ve:

im out for now

[11:14:14]

directhex|work:

attempting to run the frontend offers to add you to the mythtv group, and tells you to log out to make it so

[11:14:25]

directhex|work:

juski, yes

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IronEag1e:

juski: too bad we dont have mpeg2 hdtv here in europe

[11:15:01]

IronEag1e:

all based on h.264

[11:15:21]

juski:

IronEag1e: not at all! h.264 pisses all over mpeg2.. we'll just have to wait for processors to catch up

[11:15:46]

gardengnome:

modern processors can already decode it

[11:15:47]

directhex|work:

juski, okay, running the frontend brings up myth, complaining it can't access the DB. this is normal – i haven't installed it. however, this screen ALSO shows what the db password is (or will be set to automatically)

[11:16:09]

juski:

I'm a realist. The CPU required to play h.264 HDTV will be affordable before there are any hardware decoders for it

[11:16:27]

IronEag1e:

juski: my dual core athlon handels h.264 hdtv just fine

[11:16:29]

juski:

directhex|work: all sounds pretty good so far

[11:16:45]

juski:

IronEag1e: when *I* say affordable I mean 'Juski can afford it'

[11:16:52]

IronEag1e:

juski: :)

[11:17:01]

juski:

I mean 'entry level', obviously :-P

[11:17:08]

qu0zl:

once something that can passively be cooled via heatpipes can decode it i'll be happy. Shouldn't be that long.

[11:17:19]

directhex|work:

juski, now i'm trying to install "mythtv" from within synaptic package manager. it's pulling in mythtv-database and mythtv-backend

[11:17:23]

juski:

and then there's that.. my curernt FE is silent

[11:17:26]

qu0zl:

another generation or so of the Core architecture maybe?

[11:17:34]

IronEag1e:

:-) I'll try my old xboxes as frontends... except for said dual core system in my living room

[11:17:49]

directhex|work:

juski, and mysql too

[11:17:53]

IronEag1e:

the frontend in the living room is silent too :)

[11:17:53]

juski:

IronEag1e: linux on the xbox stinks.. too little ram!

[11:18:10]

IronEag1e:

juski: yeah, but it should just do mythtv frontend, nothing else

[11:18:23]

IronEag1e:

and not for hdtv :)

[11:18:31]

juski:

directhex|work: so basically you're saying you'd have to blindly click & click & click to fail

[11:26:47]

styrmis:

:)

[11:27:08]

styrmis:

Recordings are viewable in full, but forwarding/rewinding now of course doesn't work as excepted

[11:27:19]

styrmis:

Watching old recordings is fine however

[11:27:25]

directhex|work:

odd

[11:27:43]

directhex|work:

database error maybe? time for mysqlcheck?

[11:27:58]

directhex|work:

warning: mysqlcheck might eat your children

[11:28:24]

styrmis:

I don't have any. So, you think there could be something wrong with the database itself, independent of Mythtv, or is mysqlcheck a Myth tool?

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styrmis:

Never mind: Q: My database seems b0rked; A: Try these magic incantations (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:MySQL)

[11:30:15]

directhex|work:

warning: mysqlcheck might cause you to have children, then eat them just as you're getting attached

[11:30:27]

styrmis:

Does the fact that it only occurs for new recordings provide any clue? This system is in London and I don't visit that much

[11:31:05]

styrmis:

Since the system is remote, I'd be talking my brother through running mysqlcheck. He doesn't have children at the moment

[11:34:41]

IronEag1e:

btw, is there some kind of mythtv frontend running on windows?

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GreyFoxx:

IronEag1e: nothing official, but there are a couple of apps that will play myth recordings for windows

[11:36:23]

GreyFoxx:

OR if you share out the recordings you can play them manually

[11:37:04]

IronEag1e:

GreyFoxx: yeah i thought about just sharing the recordings via samba, but with the cryptic filenames it would be rather painfull :)

[11:37:30]

GreyFoxx:

IronEag1e: there is a mythrename.pl script that you can use to give them "pretty" names

[11:38:02]

IronEag1e:

GreyFoxx: will it change the database too? (so mythtv itself still finds the recordings)

[11:38:08]

GreyFoxx:

yes

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IronEag1e:

nice

[11:38:59]

IronEag1e:

guess i'll just need to take a closer look at mythvideo and mythdvd then

[11:41:04]

GreyFoxx:

mythvideo gets and dvd playback gets a lot of use in my house :)

[11:41:34]

MaverickT:

`dvd playback has been locking up for me, since update to feisty :(

[11:42:27]

IronEag1e:

GreyFoxx: i did a few experiments with mythvideo, but it looked a bit arkward

[11:42:47]

MaverickT:

IronEag1e: I love mythvideo, works a treat for me

[11:42:47]

GreyFoxx:

how so ?

[11:43:08]

IronEag1e:

needed to rescan the directory all the time to fill the database (i guess)

[11:43:18]

IronEag1e:

and complained about manually deleted files etc

[11:43:51]

IronEag1e:

basicly i'm just looking for a way to tell mythtv "show me the contents of THAT directory, let me pick a videofile (or subdirectory) and play it

[11:43:56]

GreyFoxx:

IronEag1e: You can tell it to browse the file system, so you wont need to rescan

[11:44:07]

IronEag1e:

ah ok, than its just me being stupid :)

[11:46:44]

WhoKnow1:

how do you enable mythtvfrontend to play .nuv files

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directhex|work:

by having the required metadata in your mysql db

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gardengnome:

!trout WhoKnow1 smart question

[11:48:03]

** MythLogBot slaps WhoKnow1 with a smart question trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

[11:48:16]

directhex|work:

or adding .nuv as a supported extension for mythvideo

[11:49:08]

WhoKnow1:

so...

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directhex|work:

.nuv files are mpeg video files, give or take. they don't mean anything special without database metadata

[11:50:47]

directhex|work:

if you want to treat them as dumb mpeg files, then treat them as such, suing mythvideo

[11:51:25]

anykey_:

GreyFoxx: where can you actually tell mythvideo to browse the fs?

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WhoKnow1:

oh hey

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WhoKnow1:

where do you find those supported extensions list

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directhex|work:

somewhere in setup

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directhex|work:

hit the m or enter key, that usually makes something happen

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|work: They are only mpeg files if he recorded them with a pvr/dvb card with an old version of myth and didn't transcode

[11:56:03]

GreyFoxx:

Once transcoded, or if recorded with a bttv card they are not mpeg2

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GreyFoxx:

anykey_: in the frontend under the video setup settings

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anykey_:

GreyFoxx: hm ok, that would be cool for removable devices

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WhoKnow1:

ok hold on

[11:58:10]

WhoKnow1:

not seeing that list where it used to say stuff like ".avi;.mpg..."

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WhoKnow1:

anyway gotta go

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WhoKnow1:

see ya

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directhex|work:

that sounded productive

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directhex|work:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythVideo#Folder_Images& nbsp;– any particular width/height images?

[12:01:16]

juski:

mythrename.pl --link is much safer

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styrmis:

Approximately how risky is mysqlcheck?

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visit0r:

68%

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directhex|work:

.5

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styrmis:

:) Not good!

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directhex|work:

less risky than manually running a repair from in mysql

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directhex|work:

but also less likely to fix problems

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juski:

just restore the backup of the database.. couldn't be simpler

[12:05:39]

styrmis:

And you think that the new recordings all having identical, incorrect lengths could be a db problem?

[12:05:51]

juski:

oh you mean you don't have a backup of the database? SMACK!

[12:06:08]

styrmis:

juski: Sure, it's just that I might be instructing my brother how to do this over the phone

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juski:

mysqlcheck is pretty safe IME

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directhex|work:

don't run it on a full disk

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directhex|work:

then it gets messy

[12:07:26]

styrmis:

Hmmm ok, thanks

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juski:

don't run mysql on a full disk

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juski:

it can get so bad you need to restore a backup database.. I know

[12:08:03]

styrmis:

Typically 80–90% full, capacity of about 420GB

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juski:

never, _ever_ let the partition the database sits on get full

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styrmis:

Mytharchive is helping keep that down

[12:08:55]

styrmis:

He's under strict instructions, but it could happen

[12:09:17]

juski:

my db lives on / and my recordings live on another hdd, as does /home

[12:10:00]

styrmis:

On my last visit I made / ro and the recordings and db are on a separate JFS partition setup using LVM

[12:10:09]

tzanger:

juski: hahaha hyeah that'd be really really bad

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directhex|work:

i don't remember how things are set up

[12:10:36]

directhex|work:

you stop counting when you have over a terabyte of storage

[12:10:45]

juski:

tzanger: been there. it's not as bad as removing all the files in / but you def. need a database backup handy

[12:10:54]

styrmis:

So, if he records too much he'll exhaust the space for the db too, but thanks to the upgrade and Mytharchive he can manage it

[12:11:14]

tzanger:

does mythfrontend need both mysql and mythtv port access ot the backend?

[12:11:15]

gardengnome:

you should set up auto expire

[12:11:26]

juski:

tzanger: yes

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juski:

my /home lived in the same partition as the database. got full when I was downloading $shite

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styrmis:

gardengnome: It's set up, but I've never tested it to see what happens when disk space is running very low

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juski:

tzanger: those are the defaults, yes

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tzanger:

ok perfect

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tzanger:

screw ssh -CX. :-)

[12:12:48]

directhex|work:

i should schedule some mysqldumps with cron

[12:12:50]

juski:

hope your real IP address isn't logged in channel

[12:13:08]

juski:

mythtv's security has never been tested AFAIK

[12:13:27]

tzanger:

juski: nope

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tzanger:

it's all behind a firewall

[12:13:37]

tzanger:

I'm just using ssh -L to forward

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tzanger:

so you still need my dsa key

[12:13:41]

juski:

oh goody :)

[12:13:50]

juski:

we likes a challenge!

[12:13:57]

tzanger:

I do have some fuzzer apps though I should turn them loose on mythbackend to see what happens

[12:14:39]

directhex|work:

hax teh teevee!

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bluey-:

mh anyone can help me to find the right vertrefresh and horizsync for an hdtv? it can output 1360x768 @ 60 hz

[12:15:30]

tzanger:

hmm

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tzanger:

wtf

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kslater:

bluey- assuming this is a standard lcd panel, there are lots of places to find modelines that will work

[12:16:53]

juski:

search on google for "$make $model modeline" :)

[12:17:22]

kslater:

juski – in a good mood b/c it's Friday? :-)

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IronEag1e:

and most of those displays wont accept anything except 720p/1080i anyway :)

[12:17:37]

juski:

kslater: not especially

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directhex|work:

IronEag1e, depends on the port

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directhex|work:

bluey-, through which connector?

[12:18:15]

kslater:

but it is good that it's friday afterall

[12:18:19]

directhex|work:

bluey-, and which make/model?

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bluey-:

well over dvi to vga port

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directhex|work:

next week our new supercomputer turns up

[12:18:42]

bluey-:

its a Toshiba 32C3000P

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directhex|work:

IronEag1e, over HDMI, it's normal not to accept anything but proper modes. on VGA... well check that it really won't play nice – my samsung reports XGA as the highest resolution from EDID, but really does 1360x768

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bluey-:

i already generated a custom modeline with gtf but those vertrefresh and horsync stuff is missing

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directhex|work:

bluey-, what distro?

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bluey-:

gentoo

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IronEag1e:

directhex|work: tried it already :)

[12:19:54]

juski:

don't modeline generator tell you what the vrefresh & hrefresh rates are anyway?

[12:20:06]

juski:

or at least how to work them out?

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IronEag1e:

btw, i noticed that the deinterlacer from mythtv doesnt work as good as the one on my dvbs-receiver

[12:20:17]

directhex|work:

bluey-, see if you can get something like hwinfo. i use "hwinfo --monitor" as root to detect the refresh/sync rates

[12:20:19]

juski:

they're inherent in a modeline dontcha know

[12:21:07]

Hugolp:

Anybody knows if problems with myth weather has been reported?

[12:21:12]

bluey-:

ok, just searched for such kind of programm because ddcxinfo-knoppix is masked for amd64

[12:21:38]

juski:

Hugolp: oh yeah. and then some

[12:22:12]

directhex|work:

how about mythmusic causing frontend crashes?

[12:22:14]

juski:

a fix is en route. no idea when it'll arrive, or how

[12:22:21]

Hugolp:

juski but it is weird I have changed from ubuntu edgy to feisty (using the mythtv from the ubuntu repositories) and myth weather was working in edgy but not in feisty

[12:22:33]

Hugolp:

in feisty only the satelites images work

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juski:

Hugolp: there's always the window

[12:22:39]

Hugolp:

the information is all fuck up

[12:22:53]

juski:

the site mythweather scrapes from changed

[12:23:05]

Hugolp:

it sais we are getting a max temp of -17 and people is starting to go to the beach...

[12:23:25]

juski:

there's talk of making mythweather use external scripts in future but again no idea what'll become of that

[12:23:44]

Hugolp:

so this mythweather isue is known? or is just me?

[12:24:06]

juski:

what have I just been saying?

[12:24:26]

Hugolp:

juski: I am not english if you dont say things straight I just guess the meaning but I am not suer

[12:24:27]

Hugolp:

sure

[12:24:30]

Hugolp:

thats why I ask

[12:24:33]

juski:

and you know the bit when you first come in here that says to check the mailing list archives & stuff?

[12:24:35]

directhex|work:

juski, i read it as <juski> blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

[12:24:40]

juski:

lol

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Hugolp:

(14:22:53) juski: the site mythweather scrapes from changed <- no idea what you mean

[12:25:34]

juski:

to the question of "Anybody knows if problems with myth weather has been reported?", I replied "Hugolp: oh yeah. and then some"

[12:25:50]

Hugolp:

yes ok

[12:25:59]

juski:

the site mythweather scrapes from changed, thereby breaking mythweather

[12:26:26]

juski:

as discussed on the mailing lists ad infinitum recently

[12:27:10]

Hugolp:

so? is it going to be fixed? is some temp workarround?

[12:27:24]

tzanger:

juski: ahh that's why it hasn't been working

[12:27:52]

juski:

the devs are going to wait until user complaints reach a critical mass, then drop the plugin

[12:28:01]

IronEag1e:

hehehe :)

[12:28:09]

Hugolp:

haha

[12:28:11]

IronEag1e:

i suggest just taking a look out of the window :-)

[12:28:17]

juski:

"a fix is en route. no idea when it'll arrive, or how"

[12:28:28]

Hugolp:

thanks juski

[12:28:32]

directhex|work:

it's much slower to use mythweather than look out of the window

[12:28:44]

juski:

phew. I don't have to repeat myself any more

[12:29:06]

Hugolp:

directhex|work: mythweather is just to impress the friends

[12:29:09]

directhex|work:

juski, mythweather's been playing up for me. any ideas? :(

[12:29:09]

Hugolp:

it works!

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Hugolp:

XD

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juski:

some people are too easily impressed, obviously

[12:32:20]

juski:

the killer thing for me is the time mangling

[12:32:57]

juski:

always caused the biggest 'wow' during demos at shows

[12:36:40]

fryfrog:

time stretch doesn't work so hot on my system :(

[12:36:49]

fryfrog:

1.1 tends to do okay, but anything over skips

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juski:

mrs juski likes her soaps at 1.5x nowadays :)

[12:37:39]

fryfrog:

damn!

[12:37:46]

fryfrog:

humm, maybe i've only tried HD

[12:37:59]

fryfrog:

i wonder if SD would go at 1.5x

[12:38:02]

directhex|work:

soaps in HD. what a terrifying thought

[12:38:13]

fryfrog:

are they in HD now?

[12:38:15]

juski:

PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!

[12:38:50]

juski:

hollyoaks might be ok in HD.. with the sound turned down of course

[12:39:07]

** directhex|work makes juski watch some dawson's creek **

[12:39:11]

tzanger:

hmm

[12:39:15]

juski:

arghhh!

[12:39:18]

** juski cries **

[12:39:35]

directhex|work:

that's the only show i've felt myself actively getting stupider whilst watching

[12:39:40]

juski:

dawson's crack is to me like krytonite is to superman

[12:39:43]

directhex|work:

and i've watched the tellytubbies

[12:39:46]

tzanger:

in the tv setup, I have two recording profiles: Hardware DVB Encoders and Transcoders. Where in the world do I select which recording profile to use for a given recording or live tv?

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juski:

tzanger: tip – the 'livetv' profile is always used for live tv. weird, I know

[12:42:00]

tzanger:

:-) funny guy

[12:42:09]

Hugolp:

juski you are feeling sarcastic today

[12:42:22]

directhex|work:

juski is sarcastic every day

[12:42:32]

Hugolp:

I see

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directhex|work:

before complaining, give http://www.apebox.org/index.php?section=six&rant=irc.rant a read

[12:42:49]

tzanger:

I mean the recording scheduler has "Default" "Live TV" "High Quality" and "Low Quality" profiles

[12:43:00]

tzanger:

however in my tv settings I only have Hardware DVB and Live TV

[12:43:15]

tzanger:

so where do I find "Default" "High Quality" and "Low Quality" recording profile settings?

[12:43:15]

juski:

tzanger: well, 'default' is the one recordings will always use by default

[12:43:27]

juski:

tzanger: inside hardware DVB

[12:43:30]

tzanger:

juski: that's not my question... where do I alter the settings for the Default

[12:43:33]

tzanger:

?

[12:43:37]

tzanger:

ok...

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juski:

in recording profiles you select the encoder type first, then choose the profile for that encoder

[12:44:27]

tzanger:

so there are two recording profiles, "Hardware DVB" and "Live TV", but the scheduler used Default as "Hardware DVB->[something]", High Quality as "Hardware DVB->Hi Qual" and Low Quality as "Hardware DVB->Low qual" ??

[12:44:30]

juski:

and FYI you won't be able to change much for dvb devices. certainly not the bitrate or resolution because you get them as they are broadcast – they can't be changed

[12:44:31]

tzanger:

oh

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tzanger:

wait

[12:44:50]

tzanger:

in the recording profiles I can select the encoder type??

[12:44:54]

tzanger:

where?

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juski:

e.g. I see 'mpeg encoders' and 'dvb encoders'

[12:45:27]

tzanger:

Setup/Recording Profiles has "Hardware DVB Encoders" and "Transcoders"

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juski:

then within those, default, livetv, high, low

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tzanger:

ahhhh

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directhex|work:

yeah, i'm not entirely sure what you're trying to change. DVB doesn't really record anything, it streams it. so there's no recording settings to tweak

[12:45:43]

IronEag1e:

btw, does the "default" profile mean that my dvb-s signal wont get touched, just saved as-is?

[12:45:43]

tzanger:

I'm getting it now

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juski:

I'm gonna shout now cos you've missed what I said earlier

[12:46:20]

tzanger:

ok I'm starting to get it

[12:46:31]

tzanger:

juski: yes I think I understand now

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IronEag1e:

juski: thanks :)

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tzanger:

recordings use the Hardware DVB, got that

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Hugolp:

juski really? ;)

[12:46:41]

tzanger:

and I can't change the settings

[12:46:45]

tzanger:

since it's just copying the stream

[12:46:45]

tzanger:

but

[12:46:49]

tzanger:

I can select transcode

[12:46:57]

tzanger:

and that uses the transocde recording profile, and the subprofile that's slected

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tzanger:

how does the autodetect from MPEG2 work for transocding? What's its criteria for autodetecting how to transcode?

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juski:

well, the wiki doesn't know, nor do I

[12:50:16]

tzanger:

but, but, but... you know everything

[12:50:31]

IronEag1e:

.o( the universe is going to explode now )

[12:50:45]

juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing_Commercials .. maybe in there

[12:51:38]

juski:

as easy as A, B, C++ & Qt

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a5benwillis:

juski: Things working better today?

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directhex|work:

myth is the easiest "large project" to hack on i've tried

[12:52:11]

directhex|work:

that's a good thing

[12:52:50]

juski:

no, I'm just keeping the angst bottled up for more days like yesterday

[12:53:13]

juski:

it's a good thing guns are harder to come by over here

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a5benwillis:

I'm using a DVB card for Sat, should I be using EIT only for my guide or should I use Direct Data? Im in the US

[12:53:53]

tzanger:

a5benwillis: I just use EIT

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tzanger:

I've had nothing but pain from DD

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directhex|work:

juski, you're too old for angst. it counts as rage once you start having a job

[12:55:07]

tzanger:

well first you have to scan the channels

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juski:

a5benwillis: a number of minutes for stuff to start trickling in

[12:55:14]

tzanger:

get a channel table, which I would assume you've already done

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a5benwillis:

tzanger: All that's done

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juski:

might take hours if you have a lot of channels

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tzanger:

then the EIT comes in in about 15m or so (at least for me)

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a5benwillis:

yeah, its chan 148 for long term eit

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juski:

or if you imported a channels.conf file, NEVER

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a5benwillis:

yeah, I scanned it all this time, Ifinallay got my switching working. SHEW!!!

[12:56:00]

juski:

also if you didn't enable 'useonairguide' in the channel editor

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juski:

for every channel

[12:56:11]

tzanger:

hmm

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a5benwillis:

juski: I didnt see that option

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a5benwillis:

tzanger: !15 minutes after starting the backend or after starting to watch livetv?

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tzanger:

a5benwillis: starting backend

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a5benwillis:

k

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tzanger:

doesn't require you to watch a damn thing to get EIT

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a5benwillis:

lol

[12:57:34]

tzanger:

it's really up to the provider

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a5benwillis:

thanks!

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directhex|work:

EIT's great. it's not perfect, but it makes many things so much easier

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tzanger:

amen to that

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tzanger:

and mythweb makes things a breeze

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a5benwillis:

are "wrong PMT" messages bad from the backend?

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tzanger:

dunno

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tzanger:

I'm no expert :-)

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tzanger:

oh wrong PMT?

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tzanger:

it's just waiting on a transponder for the right stream ids

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a5benwillis:

yeah, Im googling now

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tzanger:

i.e. you want ot watch channel 1234, which is on transponder 10

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tzanger:

transponder 10 also has channel streams ofr a dozen other channels

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tzanger:

so you gotta read the PMT data to get the channel stream IDs

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tzanger:

so you sit and wait until you get the PMT for channel 1234, which says that the video is stream 14 and the audio is stream 15

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a5benwillis:

ah, it looks likeitfound it

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tzanger:

yeah perfectly normal

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a5benwillis:

now Im getting what appears to be EIT data

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tzanger:

it's just spinning and waiting

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a5benwillis:

program number... has PID blah blah

[13:01:04]

tzanger:

2007-04–27 08:57:53.316 EITScanner: Added 31 EIT Events

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tzanger:

that kind of message is new channel data

[13:01:16]

tzanger:

2007-04–27 08:57:37.094 DTVSM(3) Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(36860) desired(200)

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tzanger:

that kind of message is PMT data (waiting for PMT ofr channel I want (200)

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a5benwillis:

oh, then that hasnt started yet

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a5benwillis:

already out of the buffer

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a5benwillis:

guess I could look at the log

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a5benwillis:

hmm I thought the log was at /var/log/mythtv

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a5benwillis:

but no such animal exists

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tzanger:

hmm I guess I can't delete recording subprofiles?

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tzanger:

where the hell do I define recording groups?

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tzanger:

I see playback groups and recording profiles

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a5benwillis:

tzanger: Wish I could help but I havent gotten that far yet :D

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tzanger:

:-)

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goreguts:

is it kinda slow for you guys when you're navigating the menus?

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goreguts:

like, when i go to load mythvideo it takes maybe like...6 seconds to bring it up

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directhex|work:

goreguts, how much RAM do you have?

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goreguts:

512

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directhex|work:

which theme?

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goreguts:

media center wide

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directhex|work:

see if changing ti iluvidus (or whatever it's called) helps

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goreguts:

alright, i'm at work now, gotta wait till i get home

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a5benwillis:

goreguts: Thats whatvnc is for

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goreguts:

yea but....wont there be a delay between here and my house?

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goreguts:

so i wont REALLY know how long it takes

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a5benwillis:

theres a small delay in the menus, full screen video is terribleobviously

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GreyFoxx:

the theme wont really affect that unless you are seriously low on ram

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GreyFoxx:

speed of the drives, whether or not debugging symbols are compiled in , speed of the processor, and whether or not you have previously openned that plugin will all affect the speed

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Merlin83b2:

Or you're running one of juski's themes...

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goreguts:

hmm

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Merlin83b2:

GreyFoxx: http://www.hostingcon.com/2007/

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GreyFoxx:

No Vegas this year ? Doh! hehe

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goreguts:

well i have an athlon 64 3400+, a seagate sata drive

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GreyFoxx:

I'll put this one under my bosses nose, maybe I'll be there

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goreguts:

i didnt compile debugging

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directhex|work:

goreguts, are you using opengl or qt as your painter?

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goreguts:

not sure, probably whatever the default is

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directhex|work:

supercomputing is in reno this year. i wonder if gambling can be costed on expenses

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Merlin83b2:

GreyFoxx: You're telling me. After they promised it would be Vegas again :(

[13:22:40]

Merlin83b2:

GreyFoxx: Not to worry, I have been back since and will no doubt be back again before too long ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

I would have sprung some of my own $$$ if it was Vegas as I haven't been there in afew years

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directhex|work:

goreguts, do you have working accelerated 3d drivers?

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a5benwillis:

guys, dumb question. I'm still running mythbackend from a terminal window. Whats the right way to stop it so that I can start it again without a reboot?

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GreyFoxx:

but I might be able to ge them to pay everything to go to this one

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directhex|work:

a5benwillis, ctrl-c? then run it with an init script

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Merlin83b2:

Good luck :)

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GreyFoxx:

a5benwillis: kill pid

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goreguts:

directhex|work: not yet..

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GreyFoxx:

Or if it's running in the foreground, CTRL-C like directhex said

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goreguts:

should i pick opengl when i get those working?

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a5benwillis:

I havent had much luck with any of the scripts.

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directhex|work:

goreguts, if it's using opengl currently, and you don't have 3d drivers, that would be a cause of slowness

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GreyFoxx:

Merlin83b2: I might be going on a couple Asterisk courses as well, so this might be a fun summer :)

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goreguts:

ok

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goreguts:

i'll have to mess with it when i get home

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Merlin83b2:

GreyFoxx: Heh, we started using asterisk a month or two ago.

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Merlin83b2:

(for the second time – a couple of years ago it wasn't ready for real systems)

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GreyFoxx:

Merlin83b: We've been using it for a long time, plus we are a registerd telco and the largets VOIP provider in Atlantic Canada

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GreyFoxx:

major asterisk lovers

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Merlin83b:

Then you will become my new guy to ask whenever I have asterisk issues :D

[13:26:41]

GreyFoxx:

so the suity types want us to go for "real" courses and such now

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GreyFoxx:

I've been using it for 3 or so years, and heavily for the last year

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GreyFoxx:

m,y next project is a few OpenSER SIP proxies with failover to fail between multiple asterisk boxes

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Merlin83b:

Nice.

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Merlin83b:

My next thing to do with that (but it's low priority) is to work out why the hell IAX clients can't connect from outside our NATed network.

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GreyFoxx:

I've mocked it up at home under vmware with my home asterisk box. next is to implement it in the "real" world :)

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GreyFoxx:

I've got 3 SIP video phones coming... That should be fun, I have lots of ideas about those :)

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Merlin83b:

Heh, cool.

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juski:

I still can't make my mind up about LRL

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juski:

bah I'll just change my mind when it's too late

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Merlin83b:

Heh

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juski:

it's great fun but a) the expense of hotels & b) having to tear down the display & rebuild it the next is putting me off

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Merlin83b:

No people willing to put you up to avoid hotel expense.

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juski:

I know, I should leave the decision to mrs juski. she'll balance how much it costs vs how much money I make from mythtv

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Beirdo:

so in other words, you'll be staying home?

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juski:

I love mythtv & meeting folks but probably not enough to justify the effort/expense anymore. sad innit

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Beirdo:

anyone want the flu? Free to a good home!

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gardengnome:

juski: but it's fun. if you wanna do it, ignore the money it'll cost you :)

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juski:

Beirdo: I'll have it so I can pass it to the miseries they call managers here

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Beirdo:

heheh :)

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juski:

I'm tempted to say if somebody could lend a nice flat panel I'll do it

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juski:

or a couple of laptops

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Beirdo:

I've had it for most of the week, my wife just started showing symptoms last night.

[13:49:44]

Beirdo:

I hate flus and colds

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juski:

flu is evil. not so bad when it's one of those 24hr numbers though

[13:50:19]

Beirdo:

most don't do much harm, but just make you super-miserable

[13:50:29]

gardengnome:

it sucks when you have to go to work/school anyways

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Beirdo:

glad I'm still unemployed :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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juski:

I never go to work when I'm ill

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Beirdo:

although that may change real soon

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juski:

it's how work folks get ill

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

I would call the manager and say "I have the flu, do you want me to come in and infect everyone else, or try to work from home?"

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Beirdo:

then go back to bed

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juski:

who's gonna begrudge themselves a free, justifiable day off anyway?

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juski:

or 5

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Beirdo:

heh

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gardengnome:

juski: right, but i usually go when i have to take a class test.

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gardengnome:

heh. that's not gonna happen any time soon. :)

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Beirdo:

I'm well enough now to be able to work though. the first half is always the worst

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Beirdo:

it's pretty sad when you have to pull out the comforter when the room's already at 85F

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Beirdo:

but I got a little doggie to keep me company and try to eat my kleenex, so I get by

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Beirdo:

a little heavy doggie... she's 20kg now

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juski:

thinking about it I reckon I might be more for the idea of exhibiting again if I knew for sure I wasn't gonna be judged for trashing my blog & running away from advocacy. fear the beard!

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Merlin83b:

Heh

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daum:

hi all

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daum:

it seems recently after i rebooted, i now have this like _ on a black screen that is always there and when i use mythtv the tv only shows all around the black outline

[14:01:47]

daum:

but not in the center

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juski:

Beirdo: oh hell. flu in a hot climate? ouch. had that on my honeymoon – not nice

[14:03:08]

jrr:

woo got key exchange between my boxen

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jrr:

no more passwords

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Beirdo:

I'll survive :)

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Beirdo:

sucky

[14:04:59]

Beirdo:

I spent half of mine with both of us sunburned from the first day lying in the cabana with not enough SPF

[14:05:31]

directhex|work:

we intend on bringing a LOT of high-spf sunscreen

[14:05:44]

juski:

whoops

[14:06:13]

gardengnome:

heh. geeks getting sunburned. some clichees hurt a lot :)

[14:06:44]

Beirdo:

hey, I don't burn much, personally. My wife (who grew up here in the tropics) however burns real easily

[14:06:54]

jrr:

ironic

[14:07:01]

Beirdo:

yup

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directhex|work:

i don't burn often due to genetic traits, but i avoid the sun anyway

[14:07:33]

Beirdo:

heh

[14:07:43]

Beirdo:

I like the sun. just in small quantities

[14:08:08]

directhex|work:

i have no idea why i agreed to three weeks

[14:08:35]

juski:

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm three weeks

[14:08:39]

Beirdo:

three week honeymoon!

[14:08:40]

Merlin83b:

gardengnome: Makes me think of the closing scene of Office Space.

[14:08:41]

Beirdo:

nice

[14:08:45]

Beirdo:

ours was 10 days.

[14:08:51]

directhex|work:

three week weddingymoon

[14:08:53]

juski:

if only I could get my wife to go away for more than 7 days

[14:08:54]

Beirdo:

and wasn't nearly long enough

[14:08:59]

directhex|work:

the wedding happens in the second week

[14:09:07]

juski:

gets homesick ffs (!)

[14:09:10]

Beirdo:

oh

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Beirdo:

hehe

[14:09:19]

Merlin83b:

Couple of our friends did that a few weeks ago so we all went to Mexico :)

[14:09:30]

Beirdo:

a week and a bit of hell, then a wedding, then a honeymoon?

[14:09:31]

directhex|work:

nice. was tempted by mexico

[14:09:49]

Merlin83b:

It was a really good week, they enjoyed it for another after we all left.

[14:09:49]

directhex|work:

Beirdo, why hell? her parents don't land until the day before the wedding!

[14:10:02]

Merlin83b:

GF and I went to New York and Vegas on the same trip :)

[14:10:13]

Beirdo:

directhex|work, all the last minute planning crap that seems to happen :)

[14:10:35]

Beirdo:

maybe you'll get it luckier than many :)

[14:10:48]

directhex|work:

Beirdo, meh, that's what we're paying for – to make it the hotel's problem

[14:10:57]

Beirdo:

heheh, gotcha

[14:11:11]

directhex|work:

Beirdo, everything's paid up, we have rings. just need to buy meself a shirt & shoes.

[14:11:19]

Beirdo:

not so bad then

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directhex|work:

and get some new glasses ideally

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Beirdo:

wow, our palm trees really loved the rain

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Merlin83b:

directhex|work: You might run if you do! ;-P

[14:13:48]

juski:

beer goggles ftw!

[14:14:58]

a5benwillis:

I sure wish that there was a way to speed up channel changeingin Myth

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juski:

there is

[14:15:18]

GreyFoxx:

how long is it taking? And what kind of capture card ?

[14:15:34]

a5benwillis:

SkyStar 2 card, takes 4–5 seconds

[14:15:44]

Beirdo:

directhex|work, you're going to a Paradisus? nice. we went to the one here in Puerto Rico. a great place.

[14:15:44]

juski:

if it's less than 5 secs think yourself lucky. my cable STB takes more than that

[14:16:05]

hugolp:

hi

[14:16:15]

hugolp:

I have a problem with recorded videos

[14:16:19]

GreyFoxx:

My qam DVB card takes around .8seconds, my pvr*50's take 1 second

[14:16:20]

juski:

use less livetv!

[14:16:33]

hugolp:

not with recorded from tv, just with videos from the hard drive

[14:16:36]

hugolp:

they look flat

[14:16:43]

hugolp:

they look too wide

[14:16:44]

fryfrog:

thats cause they are 2D!

[14:16:45]

directhex|work:

Beirdo, it's the result of a LONG, complex process of elimination that involved about a week of 2am nights

[14:16:50]

GreyFoxx:

My DVB-S card has been offline for a while since I last redid my roof so I haven't tested that in a while

[14:16:52]

sid3windr:

lol fryfrog

[14:16:58]

a5benwillis:

unfortunatly the main purpose of my myth box is to watch tv on one tuner while recording on the other

[14:17:03]

directhex|work:

hugolp, what's being used to play them – mplayer, or the internal viewer?

[14:17:07]

hugolp:

fryfrog: thanks, that solved all :-P

[14:17:11]

hugolp:

mplayer

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fryfrog:

my dvb qam card has become useless :(

[14:17:23]

juski:

a5benwillis: if you don't want the pvr features on one tuner just use tvtime or whatever

[14:17:25]

Beirdo:

directhex|work, not surprised. Ours took a while too :) And we knew our destination area beforehand too. We didn't want to fly anywhere

[14:17:25]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: I get a ton of channels in the clear

[14:17:40]

fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: lucky :(

[14:17:49]

fryfrog:

i seem to only get about 4 and they are all crap / sd now

[14:17:52]

directhex|work:

hugolp, add "-monitoraspect 16:9" to the mplayer command line

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directhex|work:

hugolp, you can change it in the settings someplace.

[14:18:05]

fryfrog:

i didn't think they could encrypt the HD channels, or maybe the channel scan is just not picking them up right :/

[14:18:10]

hugolp:

Ill try, thanks directhex|work

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directhex|work:

Beirdo, did it the only way i knew how – with the interwebs and an OOo database

[14:19:19]

Beirdo:

hehe

[14:19:57]

directhex|work:

Beirdo, http://wedding.apebox.org/?p=13 has exciting statistics – http://wedding.apebox.org/?p=36 has the first filtered list

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hugolp:

directhex|work: thanks, its all working as it should now

[14:23:46]

directhex|work:

yay, another animal rights protest. at least it's at the weekend

[14:24:16]

ivor:

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/04/27/bbc_g . . . green_light/

[14:24:33]

ivor:

BBC HD next year.

[14:25:02]

jrr:

animals have the right to be eaten

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GhostFreeman|SSH:

let me guess, tv sets that support HD res mean more taxes a year

[14:25:47]

ivor:

lol

[14:26:13]

juski:

TV licence + HDTV == HDTV Licence? ;)

[14:27:14]

juski:

I'd not be surprised, since a colour licence always cost more than b&w

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gbee:

does anyone have a recommendation for ripping a DVD to an ISO?

[14:29:06]

gbee:

oh hang on, that'll be the other part of mythvideo I never user

[14:30:41]

gbee:

but I can't be bothered to figure out, so same question?

[14:31:26]

ivor:

gbee: sorry, I just use my windows machine for any DVD stuff.

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gbee:

giving vobcopy a go, a few things turned up by googling but no definitive method

[14:34:29]

goreguts:

d'oh.... i should have "threads" in my USE flags, shouldn't i?

[14:36:09]

gbee:

grr, PLF repos are down

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** gbee tries dvdbackup instead **

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directhex|work:

ivor, if it's nice sexy dvb-s with no "USE TEH BBC STB >_<" clause, that'll be joyous in the extreme

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gardengnome:

gbee: k9copy is nice. it'll also make the DVD smaller to make it fit on a single layer disk

[14:59:36]

gbee:

gardengnome: thanks

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gardengnome:

if you just want to turn a DVD into an iso, dd might work just as well

[15:00:16]

gbee:

right now I'm just trying to make a quick iso to determine how great an effect DVD access speeds have on ff/rw

[15:00:44]

gardengnome:

ah, you're working together with skamithi

[15:01:20]

gbee:

dvdbackup is chewing through it, think I'll still need to then run the result through k3b, so in the end dd might have been quicker

[15:03:14]

ivor:

directhex|work: I would assume so.

[15:05:09]

directhex|work:

i still need to find a way of transcoding an ntsc dvd with my desired parameters without getting a/v desync

[15:05:33]

directhex|work:

ivor, assumption is the mother of all fuckups

[15:14:12]

jrr:

is mythbrowser konqueror based?

[15:14:46]

tzanger:

uh no

[15:14:48]

tzanger:

it's php

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tzanger:

works fine in konq though

[15:15:00]

tzanger:

er

[15:15:01]

tzanger:

sorry

[15:15:04]

tzanger:

I thought you said mythweb

[15:15:07]

tzanger:

my apologies

[15:15:08]

jrr:

hehe

[15:15:22]

jrr:

the web browser plugin requires kde dev packages, leading to my question

[15:15:28]

jrr:

i'd prefer to use something ff or opera based

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directhex|work:

myth is QT based, so using khtml is a more obvious choice

[15:16:53]

jrr:

i see

[15:17:18]

bluey-:

isn't khtml dead? i thought the kde team would change to webkit

[15:17:31]

jrr:

is it made more remote control friendly than a regular browser?

[15:17:47]

GhostFreeman|SSH:

they're just putting more and more of webkit into khtml

[15:18:17]

bluey-:

well why backport it to khtml? why not just let apple do the work

[15:18:34]

directhex|work:

apple don't run adequate regression testing

[15:18:50]

directhex|work:

which is the main gripe about their multi-megabyte diffs

[15:21:00]

GhostFreeman|SSH:

basically, we're not easily hypnotized

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directhex|work:

oh iSteve, of course you can put it in there! *giggle*

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tzanger:

hmm

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goreguts:

question: for firewire from a cable box (comcast) do you know if a 6 pin to 4 pin cable will work?

[15:42:51]

goreguts:

or do i need the 6 to 6 pin?

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jrr:

i don't know; i use big connectors on both ends

[15:44:23]

goreguts:

all the firewire cards come with 6 to 4 pin cables

[15:44:37]

goreguts:

and if i can use that instead of buying a seperate cable, that would be awesome

[15:45:36]

goreguts:

i'm guessing the extra two pins are so you can daisy chain?

[15:45:45]

goreguts:

if so that would mean i could use the 4 pin

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sid3windr:

firewire has at least one pin for power

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sid3windr:

isn't it 4 and 5 pin? :o

[15:47:20]

goreguts:

its 4 and 6

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goreguts:

definitely

[15:48:26]

goreguts:

oh here we go: A 4-pin version is used on many laptops and small FireWire devices and do not have any power connectors, although it is fully compatible with 6-pin interfaces

[15:48:42]

goreguts:

The 6-pin powered connector adds power output to support external devices.

[15:50:30]

Dagmar:

...and it gives it that extra tanginess when you lick them.

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sid3windr:

:-)

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sid3windr:

okay, 6 pin for fw with power then :)

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fryfrog:

I have a pair of DCT6412 and they have the big firewire connectors

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goreguts:

yea, i have the dct6200(? i think) and it has a big

[15:53:31]

goreguts:

this card has a small, and it comes with a big to small cable...so :)

[15:53:52]

fryfrog:

ahhh

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fryfrog:

i've been considering taking my 6412s in (stupid dvr) and trading them for 6200s

[15:54:21]

fryfrog:

but i don't know if the 6200s will be as open as my 6412

[15:54:31]

fryfrog:

and right now, i get the 6412 for the price of a 6200 :/

[15:54:44]

goreguts:

i went to comcast to switch boxes and the lady said they were completely out of HD boxes EVERYWHERE

[15:55:01]

goreguts:

luckily my old roomate never returned his 6200 box, so i just stole that one

[15:55:13]

fryfrog:

ahha

[15:55:24]

fryfrog:

guess i better not try and trade mine in :/

[15:55:36]

fryfrog:

i've also read that comcast might have some new ones from another company, Pace or something

[15:55:43]

fryfrog:

that don't work with teh myth

[15:55:48]

fryfrog:

not that mine are very stable :/

[15:55:52]

goreguts:

i'd call and ask first, she said motorola was completely sold out

[15:57:59]

gbee:

what sort of cpu does software mpeg2 encoding use?

[15:58:29]

Dagmar:

One made of silicon, usually.

[15:58:47]

Dagmar:

No, wait... I have a better answer

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gbee:

oh, darn it

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juski:

arse. need a new servo for the petrol cap cover :(

[15:59:19]

gbee:

guess my old chocolate one won't cut it then?

[15:59:47]

goreguts:

just dont let your dog eat it

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gbee:

servo in the petrol cap? the lock?

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juski:

yeh

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Cyberai:

hey Dagmar, juski, you guys ever seen a problem where HD channels that previously tuned in fine with an STB suddenly stopped and you get errors in your log that look like this -> "[mpeg2video @ 0x2d9f1e4]ac-tex damaged at 0 65"

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goreguts:

for electronic opening

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gbee:

:/

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juski:

Cyberai: even on SD channels. all the time infact. video looks great though

[16:01:13]

juski:

luckily most if not all players can cope with that

[16:01:18]

Cyberai:

suckage

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juski:

except the ubiquitous WMP

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Dagmar:

Sounds like broken tuneritis

[16:01:38]

gbee:

an automatic opening petrol cap is overally fancy (not to mention pointless), a petrol cap lock operated by the central locking is more practical ;)

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juski:

it's electrically operated via a switch next to the handbrake

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Dagmar:

You wanna use a Pachuke processor for HD

[16:02:23]

juski:

pikachu CPU? wotever next?!

[16:02:40]

juski:

athlon extreme furby edition?

[16:02:53]

Dagmar:

With the Pachuke, they say you can see right into the Wired!

[16:03:01]

Dagmar:

No need for an interface!

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juski:

they may aswell name their cpus after soft toys for all it means to me

[16:03:28]

juski:

suppose they've got to give sad sacs something to wank about

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gbee:

anyway, reason for the CPU question was that I'm looking at a HVR-1100 on ebay, but it doesn't have the hardware encoder of the HVR-1300 so I just wondered if I'd get away with installing it in my parents box which is currently running on an Athlon 1.4Ghz :)

[16:03:55]

Dagmar:

Or the Dragonball process

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Dagmar:

The Naruto processor is for fags

[16:04:20]

juski:

think of the kittens, gbee!

[16:04:35]

opello:

Dagmar: aw

[16:04:50]

juski:

but hey if you go down that route maybe you could write a wiki guide to hybrid cards ;)

[16:04:55]

opello:

Dagmar: shippuuden has some good animation :)

[16:05:03]

Dagmar:

I like anime, but I hate anime fanboys.

[16:05:10]

gbee:

juski: I got little sleep last night thanks to my kitten, so I'm not particularly sympathetic to the plight of kittens ;)

[16:05:34]

Dagmar:

I would particularly like to see anyone who recommended "Perfect Blue" to me, to die painfully

[16:05:50]

Dagmar:

Along with the people who liked those last three Evangelion episodes.

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juski:

!trout daft_cpu_names confusing

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** MythLogBot slaps daft_cpu_names with a confusing trout on behalf of juski... **

[16:06:07]

opello:

heh

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Dagmar:

juski: Hey at least Intel figured out they needed to go back to something that had order to it

[16:06:52]

Dagmar:

"Hey let's name our new CPUs a bunch of random crap and watch our customers flee in confusion!"

[16:07:00]

juski:

heh

[16:07:05]

goreguts:

hah

[16:07:06]

goreguts:

true

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juski:

I actually found myself wondering which animal ubunut are going to name their 'I' distro after

[16:07:36]

juski:

Ignorant Iguana?

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goreguts:

i'm waiting for x

[16:08:17]

juski:

maybe it'll be 'Impotent Imbecele'

[16:08:35]

juski:

that'll be the one without any binary drivers ;)

[16:08:35]

Dagmar:

N...

[16:08:38]

Dagmar:

No...

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opello:

idiomatic icosahedron

[16:08:42]

Dagmar:

I know what it will be.

[16:08:53]

Dagmar:

Immoral Ibex

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goreguts:

http://www.americazoo.com/goto/index/mammals/xenarthra.htm

[16:09:11]

Dagmar:

Or more likely Infernal Ibex

[16:09:13]

juski:

ahh the one where binary drivers were brought back in by popular demand

[16:10:11]

juski:

speaking of ubunuts.. I need to burn a seedee discy thingy

[16:11:06]

juski:

I've not conceeded anything, I'm just going to try it

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juski:

(honest)

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Dagmar:

All that pornograffy on your seedy roms

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** GreyFoxx ooohs and aaahs at the multirecording commits **

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: what exactly does multirecording do?

[16:19:24]

GreyFoxx:

allows you to record more than one channel/stream at a time on a dvb card

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: ah

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GreyFoxx:

with dvb the transport coming in when you "tune" hzs several channels (a/v streams) in it and your card/software filters out what it wants

[16:20:11]

GreyFoxx:

this will allow you to record several at once

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mchou:

yeah, but it's still on one channel, right?

[16:20:43]

mchou:

'channel' in quotes

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

if you want to record 2 things on seperate transports you need 2 cards

[16:21:20]

GreyFoxx:

but depending on where you are and your feed this can be very very useful

[16:22:15]

gbee:

do I have to setup mythvideo in order to watch an iso? or is there some way around it by using the right extension/path as an arg to 'mythtv' directly?

[16:23:08]

Dagmar:

Since when can you watch an ISO

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GreyFoxx:

I don't think I had to setup anything

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Dagmar:

Who are you and what have you done with the real gbee?

[16:23:32]

GreyFoxx:

ooh that reminds me about vcd support

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gbee:

there is no gbee, the gbee you see before you does not exist

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juski:

WHAT? you mean with the multirecording stuff we still won't be able to record every channel going, even if it's on a different frequency?!?!?!?! BAH! you guys suck! ;)

[16:24:54]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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gbee:

got around it by changing the dvd device to point to a mount point for the iso

[16:27:53]

gbee:

messy for my purposes, but it works

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GreyFoxx:

hmmmm...... I have a DVD here at the office, I should rip an ISO of it and try it.

[16:29:38]

fryfrog:

zomghi1

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Cyberai:

k fryfrog, I am wondering if I am using your tuning script right

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fryfrog:

shoot!

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Cyberai:

I have it named DTC6200_Tuner_script.sh, and I have it in my mythtv-setup under External channel change command this way "DTC6200_Tuner_script.sh -m B -t 5 -s 2", is that correct?

[16:32:21]

fryfrog:

i'd leave off the -s 2

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fryfrog:

i *think* that only applied to p2p actually

[16:32:32]

Cyberai:

what does it do?

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Cyberai:

oh

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fryfrog:

wait, you need...

[16:32:47]

gbee:

mythvideo has had support for playing isos for a while, I just don't normally use mythvideo so getting it setup is not worth the hassle just to debug problems with ff/rew in DVDs

[16:33:36]

fryfrog:

here is mine "sure-change.sh -m B -t 7 -v -p 0 -n 0"

[16:33:57]

fryfrog:

you probably should have the port and node in the command, no?

[16:34:03]

Cyberai:

yeah, true

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fryfrog:

you can try it on the cmd line too

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fryfrog:

just do "sure-change.sh -m B -t 7 -v -p 0 -n 0 844" or what ever

[16:34:39]

Cyberai:

without that, i am guessing that it's only going to be able to get the channel to tune in if it works on the first try right?

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fryfrog:

no, w/o the node/port it uses the default

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fryfrog:

which might be 0, 0 but i'm not sure

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Cyberai:

"sure-change.sh" being your tuner script and not a pointer to 6200ch right?

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fryfrog:

yeah, sorry i guess mine is named diff :)

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fryfrog:

do you have the newest firewire_tester compiled? the one with bus reset?

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Cyberai:

well, I downloaded it last week

[16:35:56]

Cyberai:

and compiled

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fryfrog:

ah

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Cyberai:

is there a newer version?

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fryfrog:

if "firewire_tester --help" shows a -R option, it does

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Cyberai:

let me look

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fryfrog:

depends on if you got from svn head or svn -fixes branch

[16:36:43]

Cyberai:

yes it has the -R option

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fryfrog:

k

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fryfrog:

you may also find that the option uh... "-s" for the 6200ch program is better or worse

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fryfrog:

i haven't really figured out a way to tell though :/

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Cyberai:

fryfrog, with the "-v" option on, where does the stdout go?

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fryfrog:

into the mythbackend's log file

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xris:

to stdout?

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goreguts:

where is this "firewire_tester" and channel changer script?

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fryfrog:

goreguts: firewire_tester is in ./contrib and needs to be compiled, the one from svn head adds a firewire bus reset option

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fryfrog:

the sure-change script is on the mythtv wiki, search for "firewire" and it'll be the first or second hit, something about "firewire priming"

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goreguts:

ok cool, thanks

[16:41:17]

fryfrog:

its mainly for people with shitty firewire STBs

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goreguts:

ah ok

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Cyberai:

while we are talking about the backend log... Does anyone know how to fix the problem that causes the log to fill up with "HTTPRequest::ParseRequest – Timeout waiting for request header." errors?

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fryfrog:

if your box works fine with the built in stuff, thats great

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goreguts:

ok i havent tested it yet, i'm waiting on the cable

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

Cyberai: what type of STB do you have btw?

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fryfrog:

and you goreguts, yours is the 6200?

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goreguts:

but i'll bookmark it just in case, because i prob wont remember

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goreguts:

yea 6200

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Cyberai:

Motorola DCT6416

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fryfrog:

ah

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Cyberai:

is the 6416 problematical compared to the straight 6200 model?

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Cyberai:

which one works best?

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fryfrog:

6416 is a DVR, 6200 is not

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fryfrog:

i only have experience with the 6412, and it has been "problematical" for me :(

[16:51:03]

fryfrog:

id like to try a 6200, but what if its *worse*? :p

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gardengnome:

how useful is this FCC firewire regulation if the firewire ports don't work properly?

[16:52:44]

Dagmar:

It's a good excuse to go bitch at the Comcast people at will

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gardengnome:

if i'd want to bitch at someone, i'd get married. mythtv just has to work.

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gardengnome:

;)

[16:54:03]

fryfrog:

gardengnome: i think all they have to do is turn it *on*

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fryfrog:

if it doesn't work great, tough titties

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tzanger:

hmm

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tzanger:

will flagging commercials automatically create cutpoints?

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gardengnome:

tzanger: no

[16:54:57]

tzanger:

some of my recordings show both the toilet paper roll and the scissors, but others just the toilet paper roll

[16:55:03]

gardengnome:

tzanger: you have to load them. i forgot the key to do that, though.

[16:55:45]

tzanger:

hmm

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juski:

f1

[16:56:29]

tzanger:

?

[16:56:34]

tzanger:

f1 shows the meaning of hte icons

[16:56:52]

juski:

z to load the commercial flags into a cutlist

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tzanger:

ahh z okay

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tzanger:

from the watch recordings menu?

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Dagmar:

e-z-e

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Dagmar:

...and you have to be WATCHING the video

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tzanger:

oh

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tzanger:

hmm

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Cyberai:

anyone here good with transcode? I wanna transcode an HD recording from mpeg2 to xvid or divx with minimal quality loss.

[16:58:46]

Dagmar:

It's nice to want things

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Cyberai:

lol

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tzanger:

hmm

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tzanger:

I can create a rule to any unviewed program

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Dagmar:

By using a crayon, I guess

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Cyberai:

well, i found a bunch of transcoded HD episodes of a fav show and they all look pretty good. I'd just like to transcode the episodes I am recording now to match

[16:59:49]

Dagmar:

I've not noticed the thing tracking which programs have been viewed

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juski:

tzanger: you're welcome

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Cyberai:

they got them down to 700MB, and they still look great. I'm pretty impressed by whoever it is that did it

[17:00:34]

tzanger:

juski: I can't thank you yet... :-)

[17:00:58]

juski:

is that something genetic?

[17:01:01]

tzanger:

no no

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tzanger:

hmm the wiki seems to indicate I have to create a custom job to do this

[17:02:15]

Cyberai:

I'd really like a feature in Myth that allowed me to transcode a program, removing the commercials as it went, and then move the resulting file into my videos

[17:02:21]

tzanger:

no worries

[17:02:28]

tzanger:

Cyberai: actually I'm playing around with getting nuvexport to do that

[17:02:33]

tzanger:

it does the hard part

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goreguts:

Cyberai its called nuvexport

[17:02:34]

tzanger:

already

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tzanger:

it moves them but doesn't update the db nor remove the original

[17:02:49]

tzanger:

that's the trivial part I'm working on :-)

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Cyberai:

I know about nuvexport, I'm just saying it would be nice to have it as a "pushbutton" option somewhere.

[17:03:37]

tzanger:

Cyberai: you do it throught the custom job menu

[17:03:39]

tzanger:

... I think :-)

[17:04:31]

juski:

you really don't want to be removing commercials automagically without checking the cutlist first

[17:04:46]

juski:

esp. if you're automatically doing away with the original file

[17:05:12]

tzanger:

yeah

[17:05:26]

tzanger:

I've been finding that it doesn't like cutting the first commercial set, but after that it's pretty decent

[17:05:35]

tzanger:

gotta play with it a little, and of course add another button to my remote

[17:06:39]

gbee:

it's a question I've asked regularly, but does anyone in the UK have much success with advert flagging and if so what options do you use?

[17:06:48]

Cyberai:

like being in the recordings menu, select show -> hit menu -> select "move to videos" -> choose quality -> choose whether to remove original -> choose IMDB metadata -> go.

[17:07:02]

gbee:

I've yet to get usuable results, but I've never tried too hard either

[17:07:19]

Cyberai:

tzanger, I'd be interested in seeing whatever you come up with

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gbee:

think I've exceeded my quota for noob questions today, I'll start again tomorrow

[17:09:36]

Dagmar:

I just turn all the options on

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Dagmar:

...and then manually fix the cutlist later

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gbee:

it the second bit that makes it unusable

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gbee:

if I'm having to manually fix the cutlist, then I might as well just create it manually to start with

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goreguts:

one more question, the video coming in from the wall to my tuner isnt super quality, it is also going through two splitters, do you know of a way to boost the quality?

[17:12:36]

gbee:

I don't really miss the feature, if it worked it would be nice, but hitting 'jump' a couple of times gets me through adverts fast enough

[17:12:47]

goreguts:

should i go from the cable box out? or can i get signal boosters?

[17:13:47]

gbee:

recorded 'The Core' the other night .... it's crap

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MrGeoff:

goreguts, they do make such things, generally called "amplifiers" I think.

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MrGeoff:

My dad has one at his house, he has it right before the first split to boost it through two splits.

[17:14:55]

goreguts:

ok ok

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goreguts:

do you think that would significantly improve the quality

[17:15:22]

MrGeoff:

Yes it has worked out very well for him.

[17:15:36]

MrGeoff:

The upstairs TV's used to get crap reception but now it is about as good as you can get for analog. Digital is less picky.

[17:15:49]

goreguts:

i'm also wondering if it is the pvr-150's quality too

[17:16:32]

MrGeoff:

I don't know for sure because I don't have one, but I think the PVR's are supposed to be pretty good compared to the cheapo frame grabbers that are out there. I'm not sure how much better you could do in that department.

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goreguts:

alright

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goreguts:

thanks for your input

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MrGeoff:

You're welcome

[17:17:30]

MrGeoff:

Oh, "input", I get it :)

[17:17:41]

goreguts:

haha, i didnt even know i made that joke

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fryfrog:

I have an amp that the cable co installed, right on the cable line in

[17:19:00]

fryfrog:

it seemed to help my able modem and digital STBs get a signal

[17:19:14]

fryfrog:

and when my pci QAM HDTV cards were working, they didn't seem to have any problems

[17:20:22]

goreguts:

maybe i'll try bypassing the splitters for a little bit and see what the quality is like

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fryfrog:

oh, my *analog* cable sucks though :)

[17:21:42]

goreguts:

heh, thats what i'm using

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fryfrog:

man, now that i think about it i split a lot :/

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fryfrog:

All in one room i have 2 QAM tuners, 2 STBs and 1 cable modem

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tzanger:

heh

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goreguts:

i have comcast digital cable, maybe i should get a digital tuner card?

[17:22:19]

fryfrog:

I think it hits a 3 way, then 2 of those each hit 2 ways

[17:22:30]

fryfrog:

with the strongest going to the cable modem

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fryfrog:

goreguts: "digital" means you need to use their STB

[17:22:46]

goreguts:

i dont know how comcast's digital cable works, if i HAVE to use the cable box to get "digital"

[17:22:52]

fryfrog:

unless you can find a linux compatible, cable card pci card, you won't get it

[17:23:02]

tzanger:

I'd like to use digital cable but I ain't going back from DVB-S

[17:23:09]

tzanger:

DVB-T would be nice but no way to decrypt legit

[17:23:13]

fryfrog:

tzanger: where are you?

[17:23:27]

tzanger:

I don't even think there's an illegal way to decrypt DVB-T right now

[17:23:40]

fryfrog:

I wonder if DVB-S is worth while in the US?

[17:23:48]

fryfrog:

i mean, all you can get are the FTA birds right?

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nero:

goreguts- you will have to use either a cable box or a cable card PC.. :/

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juski:

cablecard PC + linux = null :)

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nero:

goreguts, about all you can get "digital" through comcast would be any local channels.. everything else digital is tighter than a media executive's butt.

[17:25:05]

tzanger:

wtf is a cablecard PC?

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nero:

juski, yup.. I know.

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goreguts:

can i use the cable-out from my cable box into my pvr-150?

[17:25:19]

tzanger:

goreguts: yep

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tzanger:

I did that for a while

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fryfrog:

cable card is like the cam for satalite

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juski:

I wouldn't goreguts

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nero:

tzanger, a highly controlled windows Vista PC, with a cable card PCI card.

[17:25:29]

tzanger:

actually PVR350 but you get the idea

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tzanger:

nero: ahh

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juski:

goreguts: best way is with svideo, not RF

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fryfrog:

goreguts: you'd probably want to hook a svideo to the cable box

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fryfrog:

bah!

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goreguts:

ah, i didnt even think about that!

[17:26:15]

fryfrog:

or firewire, isn't that why you are getting a firewire cable?

[17:26:19]

goreguts:

yea

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goreguts:

will non-HD channels go through the firewire?

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nero:

depends on the provider..

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fryfrog:

for me, everything does

[17:26:51]

nero:

on Verizon FiOS, only local channels will go through firewire.. everything else is encrypted.

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jrr:

goreguts: what kind of box do you have?

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fryfrog:

HD, SD

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fryfrog:

6200 he said, afaik

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fryfrog:

with comcast

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goreguts:

i have a dct-6200

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goreguts:

yea

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jrr:

motorola?

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jrr:

yeah

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fryfrog:

you can use the diagnostic screens to check if it is 5c'd

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fryfrog:

just flip to a channel you want to see if you can record and...

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jrr:

that should get both SD and non-5C HD

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fryfrog:

i dunno how :)

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goreguts:

ok sweet

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goreguts:

i guess i just have to wait now

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nero:

now, if something is 5C it is "record once" correct?

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jrr:

on the 6412 you quickly push cable, power, then select to enter the diagnostic screen

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fryfrog:

I wonder if the 6200 works more reliably than the 6412 :/

[17:28:08]

jrr:

nero: it may be record-once, yes, but that's only to approved devices

[17:28:09]

goreguts:

on the 6200, you turn it off and hit setup

[17:28:14]

fryfrog:

nero: no, if something is 5C myth won't be able to record it

[17:28:15]

nero:

couldn't one write some sort of driver to trick the STB into thinking the PC is a VHS-D?

[17:28:19]

jrr:

it's good-luck-understanding-this-encrypted-bitstream to myth

[17:28:40]

nero:

fryfrog, yes, I realize that.. just wondering if there is any way to make the box think you are using an approved device.

[17:28:45]

fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

nothing i know of, would be cool though eh?

[17:29:04]

goreguts:

man, cable companies are ass holes "you have to use our cable box!!"

[17:29:21]

nero:

afterall, there is a handshake, correct? couldn't someone with a VHS-D recorder, hook it up to a computer via firewire, see what the handshake signal is, then play that signal back to the STB?

[17:29:47]

nero:

(I realize it is probably more complicated.. but it seems there might be a way to make that work)

[17:29:49]

fryfrog:

i imagine its a bit more complicated than that ;)

[17:29:53]

juski:

nero: that'd be illegal

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juski:

in breach of the DMCA

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fryfrog:

yes, and there is that pesky DMCA :/

[17:30:08]

nero:

juski- I play DVDs on my Linux box.. ;)

[17:30:17]

nero:

I'm just a wreckless law breaker.. :p

[17:30:26]

fryfrog:

oh shit, you law breaker !

[17:30:33]

goreguts:

arrest this man!!

[17:30:39]

xris:

nero: nothing illegal about that. not all DVDs have CSS...

[17:30:43]

juski:

decss hacks were published before the DMCA came about (actually part of the reason it came about in the 1st place)

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nero:

xris- true.. ;)

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nero:

Ok, from a technically speaking point of view, and assuming I am not in the US, it would probably be possible to do that with a D-VHS recorder.. correct?

[17:31:51]

juski:

so far in mythtv's relatively short life there've been no legal proceedings against it.. I'd like to see it stay that way :)

[17:32:26]

juski:

and besides, discussion of how to get around copyright protection methods is against the rules here

[17:32:35]

nero:

gotcha

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nero:

forget I brought it up.

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juski:

the log won't :(

[17:33:08]

nero:

so the log wont let me back in?

[17:33:29]

juski:

the log is indexed by google too, which might get mythtv on the radar, so to speak

[17:33:29]

goreguts:

don't even think about using that print screen button to bypass copy protection

[17:34:33]

nero:

well juski- sorry I brought it up, but you have made it clear (catch this google bot) that there is NO COPYRIGHT INFRINGING SANCTIONED BY MYTHTV

[17:34:40]

nero:

(does that help? ;) )

[17:34:45]

goreguts:

hehe

[17:35:09]

fryfrog:

nah, cause now when they search for "copyright infringing" they'll find us :)

[17:35:13]

juski:

the channel FAQ says as much, which everybody is recommended to read before they utter a word here

[17:35:46]

juski:

well, if the lawyers come a-knocking we know who to look for for recompense :P

[17:36:02]

nero:

heh..

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fryfrog:

no need, you were shown to enforce the rules!

[17:36:22]

fryfrog:

keep that copyright crap out of my channel, you hookers!

[17:36:58]

fryfrog:

man, anyone use dd-wrt firmware?

[17:37:08]

goreguts:

i installed it the other day

[17:37:13]

goreguts:

havent used the router yet though

[17:37:20]

goreguts:

seems pretty cool

[17:37:29]

fryfrog:

i'm a firm believer that swearing will send you to hell... but it is a fan-fucking-tastic firmware

[17:37:39]

fryfrog:

i just switched from sveasoft -> dd-wrt and it blows it out of the water

[17:38:36]

goreguts:

only think i tried to do is set up static dhcp, which seemed harder to do than how my current dlink router does it

[17:38:43]

fryfrog:

i think linksys should put it on their routers by default :p

[17:38:57]

fryfrog:

really? was pretty easy for me

[17:39:03]

goreguts:

dlink has a list of all mac addresses connected, so you pick one and give it an ip, all on the same page

[17:39:03]

fryfrog:

just click "add" fill in the mac and hit save

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goreguts:

yea, on the dd-wrt you have to find the mac address

[17:39:15]

fryfrog:

though i *think* i had to save after each mac :/

[17:39:18]

fryfrog:

ahhh, i see wha tyou mean

[17:39:22]

goreguts:

i mean, its easy, but it could be a lot easier

[17:39:30]

fryfrog:

i *think* they ahve something like that for the wireless allowed macs

[17:39:52]

fryfrog:

i jsut happened to already ahve it all, from all my other firmware

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goreguts:

i'm surprised that method hasnt been used on all routers, i've only seen it on dlink

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fryfrog:

you could have viewed leases and stuff, but yeah that'd have made it easier

[17:41:05]

goreguts:

but, eh, its alright, the firmware is pretty kick ass other than that

[17:41:11]

BSD_Tech:

installing mythdora 4

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BSD_Tech:

320 gig hd

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fryfrog:

panzy

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BSD_Tech:

I got a 320 gig ata100 for 69 bucks

[17:41:56]

fryfrog:

you should try 6x 320G drives :)

[17:42:04]

fryfrog:

wow, thats cheap!

[17:42:12]

BSD_Tech:

this box is to small

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fryfrog:

I think 500G drives are starting to hit the magic $100 mark

[17:42:43]

BSD_Tech:

this is a mini-itv via epia 1300 with 1 gig ram and a 320 gig hd

[17:42:43]

fryfrog:

in the mean time, I can still add 2x 320G drives more!

[17:42:52]

fryfrog:

ah, frontend only or?

[17:43:07]

BSD_Tech:

nope its going to be the all in 1

[17:43:11]

BSD_Tech:

works fine

[17:43:22]

BSD_Tech:

it will have 2 gig ram soon

[17:43:22]

RaYmAn-Bx:

what tv card are you using on that one?

[17:43:36]

fryfrog:

ah, cool

[17:43:41]

BSD_Tech:

air2pc hdtv card

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fryfrog:

qam or ota?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

'k, that might be less demanding than the hauppauge pvr-500 that I could never get working in that board

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BSD_Tech:

technisat ir remote

[17:44:33]

BSD_Tech:

and I got a wirelerr keyboard for it also

[17:44:51]

BSD_Tech:

mouse is in the keyboard

[17:45:32]

BSD_Tech:

the epia has svga and compisit out I have to figure how to get working

[17:45:52]

BSD_Tech:

but this is just my first box

[17:46:04]

BSD_Tech:

intime it might become just a front end

[17:46:15]

BSD_Tech:

but for now it will have to do

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jrr:

linux or BSD? =]

[17:46:44]

BSD_Tech:

its linux

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fryfrog:

do you plan on doing HD ota or qam from cable?

[17:46:55]

BSD_Tech:

bsd does not support the videocard yet

[17:47:00]

fryfrog:

of course its linux, bsd is for bitches!

[17:47:02]

jrr:

well poopers

[17:47:09]

BSD_Tech:

punk

[17:47:20]

BSD_Tech:

fryfrog go to the corner

[17:47:25]

BSD_Tech:

no os bashing

[17:47:36]

fryfrog:

ahah

[17:47:48]

fryfrog:

OSs are for bitches :/

[17:48:05]

BSD_Tech:

linux is a os so you must be a bitch

[17:48:07]

jrr:

!start an os war

[17:48:56]

BSD_Tech:

I think you should use what ever os you feel at home on

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BSD_Tech:

even if is MicroShaft

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kabtoffe:

best tool for the job

[17:49:35]

fryfrog:

you're the best tool for the job :)

[17:49:39]

fryfrog:

*ZING* :)

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goreguts:

hey, my windows xp machine hasnt crashed for 3 years

[17:49:56]

BSD_Tech:

man I love these new liquid bearing hard drives they are so quiet

[17:49:57]

goreguts:

it never stops runnin

[17:50:47]

BSD_Tech:

my dvd/dvdrw makes more noise then the drive

[17:51:08]

jrr:

my raptors eat babies

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jrr:

very loudly

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BSD_Tech:

lol

[17:51:45]

BSD_Tech:

maxtor is moving to liquid beariings its the way to go

[17:52:10]

BSD_Tech:

I love this fanless system

[17:52:18]

goreguts:

10,000 rpm is going to be loud

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BSD_Tech:

the only fan is on the cpu and it only kicks in when needed

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jrr:

my desktop is a bit of a paradox

[17:52:57]

jrr:

a sweet zalman nearly noiseless HSF

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jrr:

passive cooling on the mobo chips

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jrr:

and raptors

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BSD_Tech:

I want to liquid cool this unit in time

[17:53:46]

jrr:

my HTPC only has one hard drive, that isn't too loud, but the HSF and the video card aren't real quiet

[17:53:48]

BSD_Tech:

they have heatsyncs

[17:54:48]

BSD_Tech:

well if this works like planed I will build my dad one

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BSD_Tech:

but we need tuners that can tune in sat tv

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goreguts:

isnt that not possible?

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BSD_Tech:

?

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BSD_Tech:

in english

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BSD_Tech:

most tv tunners are limited to the 125 channels

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BSD_Tech:

and they dont cover the sat bands

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goreguts:

right, i meant that, i though satellite tuner didnt exist

[18:05:41]

BSD_Tech:

I have heard there is 1 or 2 in the works

[18:05:52]

BSD_Tech:

but it might be a miss lead

[18:06:06]

BSD_Tech:

ok mythdora4 installed rebooing

[18:06:08]

BSD_Tech:

coool

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BSD_Tech:

myth needs a stream ripper

[18:09:37]

juski:

myth needs more user contributed code

[18:09:46]

gardengnome:

myth needs a mascot

[18:10:29]

BSD_Tech:

I thought thats what we keep you around for

[18:10:32]

** juski wonders what'd happen if mepo & tux had a romantic interlude **

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GreyFoxx:

kittens would die

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gardengnome:

juski: just replace cartman with tux in the first episode ever of south park

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goreguts:

jrr, sweet

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rogue780:

I recently imported a backed up mythconverg database to a new server, but the new server has a different name and thus it shows two encoder cards on the other server being disconnected and the encoder cards on the current server being 3 and 4 ....how do I get rid of the non existant cards from the database?

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rogue780:

existent

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** juski takes a break from a new site desing **

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gbee:

rogue780: can't you just delete them in mythtv-setup?

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fryfrog:

use the "delete all cards"

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fryfrog:

then re-setup the "real" cards

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rogue780:

gbee, they don't show up in mythtv-setup...but they do in mythweb

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fryfrog:

rogue780: use the "delete all cards" options

[18:22:37]

fryfrog:

er, option

[18:22:44]

fryfrog:

it doesn't have to show up in mythtv-setup for that to work

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rogue780:

fryfrog, thanks, though I think I just got rid of them in using phpmyadmin

[18:26:20]

fryfrog:

guess that works too :)

[18:26:50]

rogue780:

if all else fails I'll just reload the server again and do it that way. probably should have, but I did it and then saw your message. oh vell

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BSD_Tech:

ok mythdora 4 has install issues

[18:39:25]

BSD_Tech:

grrrr

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rogue780:

BSD_Tech, use ubuntu

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fryfrog:

Ubuntu, FTW!

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goreguts:

or, knoppmyth

[18:49:21]

fryfrog:

or you could go for real fedora

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rogue780:

except for the fact that fedora falls apart easily

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goreguts:

or, if you want it to be more optimized, gentoo

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BSD_Tech:

because I am working on the mythdora project

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fryfrog:

and fedora is for bitches! gentoo, ftw!

[18:50:00]

BSD_Tech:

and the issue is fixed

[18:50:02]

fryfrog:

oh, ahha

[18:50:09]

BSD_Tech:

I am grabing the new iso now

[18:50:12]

fryfrog:

guess you gotta use mythdora if you are on the project!

[18:50:12]

goreguts:

srsly, once i went gentoo i never went back

[18:50:33]

fryfrog:

i <3 gentoo, but i switched to ubuntu cause i just got tired of dealing with gentoo

[18:50:35]

goreguts:

although i do like ubuntu "just works" it was a little scary when the install took 15 minutes and i had a complete working system

[18:50:35]

rogue780:

in the fall mythbuntu should be released.

[18:50:56]

ectospasm:

goreguts: that's why I've been considering switching

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BSD_Tech:

once I went bsd I only came back because of 2 items flash and tv tunner card support

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kabtoffe:

yeah. ubuntu 7.04 has some nice metapackages that take care of installing "the right stuff"

[18:51:06]

ectospasm:

THough I'd still use Gentoo for my mythtv box

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BSD_Tech:

but soon they will both be fixed on bsd

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fryfrog:

BSD_Tech: i know a number of BSD loves that like gentoo

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rogue780:

kabtoffe, it's getting even better for mythbuntu gutsy gibbon...I'm working on a lirc configuration utility that should eliminate most if not all problems people have with lirc

[18:52:44]

kabtoffe:

rogue780: cool!

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BSD_Tech:

mythbunto

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rogue780:

it might not be ready for gutsy, but I'm workin on it.

[18:53:15]

rogue780:

BSD_Tech, yes mythbuntu

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BSD_Tech:

does it have all the tools that mythdora does

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BSD_Tech:

url pls

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BSD_Tech:

I want to read and see if its worth it

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fryfrog:

krikey, soon someone is going to have to make a mythtoo

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juski:

how many debian derived mythtv distros are there gonna be?

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fryfrog:

genmyth?

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fryfrog:

genmythtoo?

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juski:

they picked the right name this time anyway... FAWN.. pfft

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rogue780:

BSD_Tech, well right now it has a broken installer and such...no url yet

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cecil:

juski: I know of one less in a few months....

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BSD_Tech:

mythbsd in time

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fryfrog:

juski: thats because fawn totally pawns you

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BSD_Tech:

fawn

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rogue780:

BSD_Tech, the fall release will be the first one

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BSD_Tech:

ok

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BSD_Tech:

fix it now

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BSD_Tech:

dont want to wait for fall

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fryfrog:

ubuntu takes over the world, goes to space!

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jrr:

ubuntu makes me breakfast

[18:55:20]

fryfrog:

ubuntu got my wife pregnant :/

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juski:

cecil: I suspect I already know which will be king ;)

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kabtoffe:

ubuntu makes me purr

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BSD_Tech:

no Freebsd will power the next space ship

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fryfrog:

i didn't say it would *power* anything

[18:55:42]

BSD_Tech:

and we will travel off to distant lands

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fryfrog:

just that it will goto space so it can work on taking over the universe

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rogue780:

BSD_Tech, sorry, I am just in charge of the usplash...and the lirc configuration tool if I can get it done in time

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fryfrog:

mwhahahah

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kabtoffe:

fryfrog: hard to top the wife comment

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BSD_Tech:

ahh ok

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cecil:

juski: any new updates to your terms?

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fryfrog:

hehe

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rogue780:

afk

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** cecil wonders if rogue780 and superman are the same or co-devs **

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BSD_Tech:

man this little black box is kicking but

[18:57:15]

BSD_Tech:

I am reinstalling now

[18:57:32]

BSD_Tech:

I love my 5 MB fiber connection

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kabtoffe:

have they started working on the new DVB stuff yet?

[18:58:26]

juski:

terms? themes you mean? er.. I updated neon-wide last week or so

[18:58:41]

BSD_Tech:

tvtuner cards will soon be useless

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juski:

cecil: did a new 720p promo video :)

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BSD_Tech:

its all going to become streaming video channels

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juski:

BSD_Tech: I'll hear of no IPTV bullshit

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juski:

tv2.0 my ASS

[18:59:25]

juski:

DRM'd to the hilt!

[18:59:44]

cecil:

fuck DRM

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BSD_Tech:

?

[18:59:49]

juski:

locked into propriatary hardware no doubt. you know how it is with cable now...

[19:00:00]

cecil:

juski: I'll have to check it out later

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BSD_Tech:

yeah

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** cecil heads off to work **

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BSD_Tech:

whats wrong with streaming video

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juski:

you'll have to pay for the good stuff, and there's no good way to protect their interests

[19:00:27]

BSD_Tech:

true

[19:00:30]

juski:

no *other* way I mean

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BSD_Tech:

all tv should be free

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juski:

there are already thousands if not millions of streams to watch.. and how many are even _worth_ watching? I'm citing youtube as an example

[19:01:21]

BSD_Tech:

California says by 2015 they will stop open air transmission tv

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juski:

BSD_Tech: hahaha. yeah, back to your cloud man

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jrr:

what gets me is the illegality of unauthorized decryption

[19:01:49]

BSD_Tech:

they discuss it all the time

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jrr:

if somebody transmits RF through my house, i feel that i should be able to do whatever i want with it

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juski:

all the TV I watch costs hundreds of thousands of $financial_units to make every episode

[19:02:35]

juski:

somehow I just don't think fan-trek episodes will keep my attention

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juski:

I don' begrudge paying for good entertainment

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juski:

the only way it's ever gonna be 'free' is if they embed unskippable ads

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masonsjax:

sup ppl?

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masonsjax:

im considering adding a pvr500 and i'm wondering..

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juski:

jrr: you're not alone there but sadly 'the man' dictates you have to pay & agree to his terms. either that or you go without. it's basic capitalism

[19:04:26]

BSD_Tech:

the main thing I plan to use mythtv and mythdora for is to move my dvd to it so I can use this unit on my travels to watch videos and porn

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masonsjax:

can you simultaneously record from both coax inputs AND the S-vid?

[19:04:56]

BSD_Tech:

some day the world will be free for all till then you pay out the ass

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juski:

masonsjax: NO you can't

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fryfrog:

masonsjax: yup, you have 2 tuners so you can record from 2 sources

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masonsjax:

gotcha, thx

[19:05:23]

fryfrog:

if you setup tuner 1 on the 500 to svideo, and tuner 2 to RF

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BSD_Tech:

with 2 cards you can

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juski:

fryfrog: he said BOTH tuner inputs AND svid at the same time, so nope ;)

[19:05:40]

fryfrog:

the PVR500 *is* two cards, on one card

[19:05:43]

masonsjax:

right

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opello:

is there some happy way to switch to the svideo and such in myth?

[19:06:01]

fryfrog:

i read that as can you record on both: tuner and svideo

[19:06:10]

fryfrog:

not "on both tuners as well as a third on the svideo"

[19:06:13]

juski:

with a pvr500 you can record ONE tuner and ONE svideo, or 2 svideo, or 2 tuners at the same time

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fryfrog:

which did you mean mason?

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juski:

you can't record TWO tuners & one svid at the same time

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masonsjax:

i meant from all 3 at once.

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fryfrog:

ah, right then that don't happen

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fryfrog:

two cards means 2 recordings, period

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masonsjax:

ok. i was being wishful, but didnt think so.

[19:06:54]

fryfrog:

from any combination you like of the inputs

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masonsjax:

thats cool, that will work.

[19:07:09]

fryfrog:

basically, the reason is that it has 2 mpeg2 encoders

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masonsjax:

i remember hearing something about certain revisions having iffy chipset of some sort, is there a particular revision i need to look for?

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juski:

the samsung tuner issues are all history AFAIK

[19:08:11]

opello:

is there a nice way in myth to switch to say tuner1's svideo?

[19:08:32]

juski:

opello: yeah if you've already bound it to a video source.. you'd press C while in livetv

[19:08:38]

fryfrog:

sure, if its configured uh, Y switches cards and...

[19:08:39]

fryfrog:

ah, there

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opello:

hm, i guess i'll have to set that up

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BSD_Tech:

the myth browser sucks

[19:09:09]

opello:

would i just make an empty source?

[19:09:13]

BSD_Tech:

it needs work

[19:09:19]

juski:

BSD_Tech: the mythbrowser plugin needs your patches!

[19:09:36]

masonsjax:

we dont need no stinkin patches

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fryfrog:

opello: why would you make it empty?

[19:09:45]

BSD_Tech:

pacth this

[19:09:46]

juski:

opello: no, it has to have at least one channel or mythbackend will puke

[19:09:50]

fryfrog:

opello: if you want to flip to it, wouldn't you have soemthing *on* it?

[19:09:54]

opello:

rigiht

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opello:

but like the camcorder

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fryfrog:

ah

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opello:

svideo only has '1 channel'?

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fryfrog:

guess you'd need to make up a fake channel?

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BSD_Tech:

I need to find a good usb webcam to work with myth

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rogue780:

personally I think the entire mythfrontend needs a visual overhaul

[19:10:37]

juski:

BSD_Tech: if you've not got anything constructive to add...

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fryfrog:

opello: right, but with "external channel changing script" :)

[19:10:45]

opello:

fryfrog: yeah :)

[19:10:51]

opello:

i was thinking like hitting 'input' on the tv

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BSD_Tech:

I am adding

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opello:

where it's blue or $content

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fryfrog:

opello: ah, i see

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** juski stops feeding the trolls **

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BSD_Tech:

we are working to have 4.0 mythdora out soon

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fryfrog:

you could just add a single channel, call it like "SVideo" or something

[19:11:23]

fryfrog:

doesn't really have to be real :)

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rogue780:

I almost used mythdora once

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juski:

you work on mythdora yet you come out with negative comments like that? shame on you

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opello:

heh ok, i'll have to try that when i get home, thanks fryfrog

[19:11:54]

BSD_Tech:

what comment that the webbrowser is crap

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juski:

talk about biting the hand...

[19:11:59]

BSD_Tech:

its the truth

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juski:

BSD_Tech: until somebody makes it better it'll stay that way so quit your whining

[19:12:18]

opello:

wasn't there a big discussion on the true purpose of the mythbrowser plugin?

[19:12:25]

BSD_Tech:

the should just package mozilla

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BSD_Tech:

withit

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juski:

not THEY.. YOU should

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juski:

get off your ass

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fryfrog:

yeah, ff... now that'd be something easy to use with a *REMOTE* :p

[19:12:57]

juski:

THEN you earn a right to complain :)

[19:13:03]

opello:

or get on it and write some code? :)

[19:13:11]

masonsjax:

not to mention the mem usage

[19:13:45]

opello:

make it like the wii browser!

[19:13:46]

opello:

heh

[19:13:49]

rogue780:

has anyone thought of adding a wii remote module to mythtv? I know the driver exists for linux already...it would make mythbrowser almost magical

[19:13:53]

juski:

I dunno if I'll ever get over how much some folks put USE into the word 'users'

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BSD_Tech:

now seen the wii browser

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masonsjax:

there was talk of doing that on the list

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rogue780:

the wii browser is pretty nice

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juski:

the wii browser falls at a lot of hurdles. hurdles firefox leaps with ease

[19:14:52]

rogue780:

right....but firefox doesn't look too good on a tv

[19:15:06]

juski:

webpages don't look good on a SDTV, period

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masonsjax:

neither does the wii

[19:15:26]

juski:

unless they've been designed for 400x300 or so...

[19:15:48]

juski:

though if you enjoy scrolling a lot you can just rescale everything up

[19:16:35]

juski:

webpages arent really designed to be navigated by a button remote control anyway...

[19:16:44]

juski:

so much against web browsing on TVs

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kabtoffe:

minimo?

[19:16:52]

BSD_Tech:

opera

[19:16:55]

BSD_Tech:

hmmm

[19:17:18]

kabtoffe:

opera works nicely on this nokia n800

[19:17:21]

juski:

you can launch any browser you want thru mythtv's menus.. or any other app come to mention it

[19:17:34]

rogue780:

juski, all I'm saying is that mythbrowser is crappier than the wii browser, so why not try to emulate the wii browser in some way?

[19:17:50]

masonsjax:

links rules

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juski:

then you can use irexec or whatever to bind remote buttons to the browser functions

[19:18:09]

juski:

why not just use a ready-made browser? why reinvent the wheel?

[19:18:57]

opello:

people often try to re-invent the wheel because they can

[19:19:11]

jrr:

i'd prefer to use some kind of ff or opera embed

[19:19:12]

BSD_Tech:

the wheel needs updating

[19:19:17]

BSD_Tech:

time for a new one

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juski:

so make your own

[19:19:23]

opello:

spinner wheelcovers!

[19:19:23]

juski:

and quit whining

[19:19:30]

juski:

whining never got linux started

[19:19:40]

BSD_Tech:

someone got up with out love this am

[19:19:47]

juski:

lol

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fryfrog:

juski is always in a bad mood :p

[19:20:10]

fryfrog:

i'm surprised he hasn't /quit with a witty quit message yet

[19:20:11]

juski:

you sitting there complaining isn't gonna make mythbrowser any better, so why bother? ;)

[19:20:16]

fryfrog:

unless thats just your default?

[19:20:52]

BSD_Tech:

well once I fix the issues we have on mythdora I will look at installing a better browser

[19:21:05]

BSD_Tech:

till then I will bend your ear about it

[19:21:11]

BSD_Tech:

just to drive you insane

[19:21:15]

juski:

yeah well you can try

[19:21:16]

BSD_Tech:

o wait tolate

[19:23:51]

BSD_Tech:

I have a ir keyboard and remote so the idea of the browser is fine to keep my kids out of my office.

[19:24:09]

juski:

so, that nicely stifled the channel

[19:24:11]

BSD_Tech:

they can sit infront of the tv and surf the web

[19:24:13]

juski:

well done!

[19:24:21]

BSD_Tech:

lol

[19:24:28]

kabtoffe:

to bed --> tomorrow driving a truck...

[19:25:09]

tzanger:

hmm, if I were to spit out video to a 1080i-capable TV, what kind of video card do I need? 1080i is nothing for pretty much any video card is it not?

[19:25:20]

tzanger:

DVI should be able to carry that signal

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fryfrog:

tzanger: it'd be *weird* but yeah, any video card should do it

[19:25:35]

tzanger:

why weird?

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fryfrog:

you'll have to muck about with xorg.c onf to get an interlaced signal

[19:25:57]

fryfrog:

i mean, doing interlaced with a pc now-a-days is non-standard is all

[19:25:59]

tzanger:

ahh yes

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jrr:

i still have the magazine ad for our old 386. it had a special section talking about the high-end *non-interlaced* sony trinitron CRT

[19:27:33]

juski:

might be easier to use 1080p & deinterlace in mythtv

[19:27:42]

juski:

.. if you have the spare horsepower for that

[19:28:08]

juski:

.. and your TV supports 1080p of course..

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tzanger:

*nods*

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juski:

if the TV is a flat panel it's gonna have to deinterlace anyway – and the quality of that varies a lot between different TVs

[19:29:30]

juski:

chances are if you run at 720p & deinterlace in mythtv you'll be happy enough with that.. maybe

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masonsjax:

deinterlacing could be a little better, but it's definately good enough.

[19:30:23]

masonsjax:

course, my tv doesnt support 1080p

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juski:

some of the HDTVs I've seen are diabolical at deinterlacing and scaling, so letting myth do it all would be preferable for them

[19:30:40]

tzanger:

yeah sounds preferable

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Cyberai:

So if I have a 1080p tv (which I do), should I be running interlaced or non-interlaced?

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hugolp:

Cyberai: you should get rid of your tv. I can help you

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris

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Cyberai:

lol

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hugolp:

Ill come and pick it up to free your from such a shitty tv

[19:41:41]

Cyberai:

technically speaking, it's not a tv, it's monitor – Westinghouse LVM-37w3 1080p

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hugolp:

by the way why you want to run a 1080p screen interlaced?

[19:42:12]

hugolp:

it doesnt make sense

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Cyberai:

I didn't say I did. I was asking what is best.

[19:42:36]

hugolp:

cyberai whats best 720 or 1080?

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Cyberai:

lol

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Cyberai:

im assuming non interlaced

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hugolp:

Cyberai: I dont know what your laughing at. My question was as silly as yours

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Cyberai:

how would I know if I'm interlaced or not by looking in my xorg.conf

[19:43:29]

Cyberai:

?

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Cyberai:

I was laughin at myself. I realized just how silly my question was when you re-postulated it. :)

[19:44:01]

hugolp:

Cyberai: you really are not ready for that screen. Send it to me. I will take good care

[19:45:06]

hugolp:

Cyberai: how big and how much was that screen

[19:45:27]

hugolp:

I am heareing that 1080p screens are coming but in Barcelona we dont have them yet

[19:45:36]

hugolp:

I am waiting to get one

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Cyberai:

37", you cna get one for around $900 USD

[19:45:46]

hugolp:

that is very good

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hugolp:

as allways here we are going to get them in a year or two

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Cyberai:

I did LOT of research in order to get the best price/performance

[19:46:22]

hugolp:

sometimes I feel like I live in the back of the world

[19:46:39]

Cyberai:

westinghouse gives better picture than even the sony wega series that's 2x as expensive

[19:47:02]

Cyberai:

very high quality stuff at a great price, I've been VERY happy with it

[19:47:12]

Cyberai:

HD looks AMAZING on it

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hugolp:

Ill check it

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hugolp:

I dont know why they are selling 1080p when digital tv here is not even progresive...

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hugolp:

anyway, enough braging my country

[19:48:20]

hugolp:

Cyberai: enjoy your tv and remember something:

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hugolp:

progressive is always better than interlaced

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hugolp:

its actually twice better

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beavis_:

xris, are you around?

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hugolp:

and thinking it better we dont get 1080p tv's but we get to drink legally at sixteen...

[19:49:25]

hugolp:

:-D

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beavis_:

xris, clicking on the channel name on mythweb/tv/list shows an error msg with today's svn

[19:50:14]

beavis_:

xris, Fatal Error at /big/myth/mythplugins/mythweb/includes/objects/Database/Query/mysql.php, line 83:

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beavis_:

SQL Error: Column 'endtime' cannot be null [#1048]

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Cyberai:

hugolp, what should I look for in my xorg.conf to indicate to me whether or not I am running progressive or interlaced?

[19:51:36]

hugolp:

Cyberai: I might be wrong but I think computers are allways progresive, they only go interlaced if the font they are getting is interlaced. But internally they are progresive. I am almost sure

[19:52:10]

Cyberai:

kewl, cause I went DVI for my connection

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Cyberai:

so it should be pixel to pixel on HD

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hugolp:

Cyberai: DVI-D?

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Cyberai:

my goal was to have the signal to straight to the screen unmodified in any way. When you started talking interlacing I started thinking I had missed something.

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juski:

you know what the _best_ thing to do is, no matter which TV you have?

[19:53:30]

juski:

run X at the native resolution of the display

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Cyberai:

hugolp, I used an nVidia 6600 with DVI out directly to the DVI input of the monitor

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Cyberai:

juski, I am doing precisely that :)

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Cyberai:

1920x1080

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juski:

if at all possible, _always_ use the native res of the display

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Cyberai:

60Hz

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hugolp:

Cyberai: that doesnt mean you are using digital

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hugolp:

DVI can be digital or analog

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Cyberai:

how would I tell which it is?

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juski:

DVI-I == analogue & digital, DVI-A == analogue (or VGA to you & me), DVI-D == digital

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juski:

RTFM of your TV?

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hugolp:

it depends on the conector. The DVI analog has some specific pins (or wholes) the DVI digital has others DVI-I has all (as is digital and analog)

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Cyberai:

heh, I thought of that as soon as I said it

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chuk:

anyone have any experience with Via CX700 chipset?

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Cyberai:

god it is so friday for me

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juski:

it's more than likely DVI-D

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juski:

chuk: somebody asked yesterday, nobody spoke up then

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hugolp:

Cyberai: if you want to know if yor DVI is digital or analog go to wikipedia serch for DVI and there are drawings of all the configuration so you can check what your cable is

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juski:

the openchrome mailing list & wiki might reveal some facts chuk

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chuk:

I think it was me, but somebody said they knew

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Cyberai:

I just googled the specs on it, it's DVI-D

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chuk:

I've been reading them, and I've installed the driver

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chuk:

I just cant get XvMC working

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chuk:

no matter what I try

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chuk:

driver works

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juski:

chuk: try xine --xxmc $somevideofile

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chuk:

I just can't find confirmation that XvMC is even possible with that driver and myth

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juski:

chuk: if myth was built with via xvmc support, then yeah it should be possible

[19:58:29]

chuk:

yeah, it was

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chuk:

I just wasnt sure if that functionality in the driver actually worked

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Cyberai:

DVI-D dual to be precise

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chuk:

since its only an experimental build

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chuk:

I was just wondering if someone has actually done it

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chuk:

would give me some confidence to keep trying

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juski:

chuk: you might need to fiddle with your X config to get the wrapper recognised.. depending on which distro you use

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juski:

anyway.. afk.. tis Friday night

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gbee:

definately is

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hugolp:

watching tv in myth whats the key to change the aspect ratio?

[20:02:58]

Cyberai:

hugolp, hit "M" to get the menu, then select aspect ratio

[20:03:28]

hugolp:

Cyberai: I know the menu, I want to know the hot key

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Cyberai:

dunno

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Cyberai:

try "a"

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hugolp:

its not a

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chuk:

W

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hugolp:

thats it

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hugolp:

thanks

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chuk:

np

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hugolp:

does someone thinks that totem plais xvid in better quality than mplayer or I m just paranoic?

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Zider:

never used totem

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wesw02:

hey guys, i'm seeing "Client speaks protocol version 33 but we speak 31!" in my logs (my frontend is xbmcmythtv), how can I change the backend so that it speaks 33?

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kslater:

uh, upgrade it?

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wesw02:

thats what I assumed, I have the newest "stable" version by gentoo's standards

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kslater:

yea, but it seems like xbmcmythtv is using something from svn

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wesw02:

whats svn?

[20:12:37]

wesw02:

sorry i'm kinda of a 00b

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wesw02:

n00b

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kslater:

svn is short for subversion, it's the source code repository for the mythtv project

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wesw02:

oh yea, sorry i did grab the cvs

[20:13:20]

wesw02:

because there last release has a commerical skip bug

[20:13:34]

wesw02:

and it was fixed in the latest cvs

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kslater:

only it's not cvs anymore it's latest svn

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wesw02:

I've changed the xbmcmythtv to use protocol 31, but it still insists on using 33, must be a bug

[20:14:18]

wesw02:

oh

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wesw02:

ok

[20:14:50]

wesw02:

i guess i'll just have to play with it some more, maybe dig around in the code

[20:14:53]

eldragon:

hello

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wesw02:

thanks for the help

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kslater:

you can't change the protocol that a f/e or b/e uses can you? It's determined by the code itself.

[20:15:28]

wesw02:

what do you mean by f/e and b/e

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kslater:

frontend or backend

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wesw02:

oh, there is a setting in xbmcmythtv that tells it what protocol to use

[20:16:32]

wesw02:

i've set it to 31, however it seems to be ignoring it

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eldragon:

im having this problem which havent found a solution for a long time, thought i would give irc a try and see if someone found a solution: whenever mythtv is recording (through a pinnacle PCTV pci card, with the saa7134 chipset), if i open mythfrontend, the recorder starts transmitting static...... anyone ever faced this one before_

[20:16:37]

wesw02:

and still trying to use 33

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eldragon:

*with the recorder, i meant the capture card

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eldragon:

.....

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wesw02:

kslater, working now

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wesw02:

kslater, IDK, just re-copyed the CVS to the xbox and it works now .... ?

[20:24:29]

wesw02:

kslater, thanks for the help

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BSD_Tech:

myth on xbox

[20:24:46]

BSD_Tech:

col

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BSD_Tech:

I have a older xbox in my closet

[20:25:07]

BSD_Tech:

hmm might be a idea for it

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wesw02:

yea it rocks

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wesw02:

i'm using xbmc and xbmcmythtv (frontend)

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BSD_Tech:

hmmm

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BSD_Tech:

I will dig it out of the closet

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BSD_Tech:

its been moded and running linux thansk to my oldes son

[20:26:41]

BSD_Tech:

and a mod site

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wesw02:

yea, look into xbmc then

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wesw02:

its worth a look ;)

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BSD_Tech:

ok

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BSD_Tech:

what game emu's are in myth now days since I have never used them

[20:29:49]

BSD_Tech:

I have to find out might look into gaming

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rogue780:

BSD_Tech, are you there?

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rogue780:

BSD_Tech, well if you get back, the project page for mythbuntu is https://launchpad.net/mythbuntu

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jrr:

where in the database might i find the currently selected channel? (so i don't need to re-run mythsetup each time it remembers a broken channel)

[21:59:52]

juski:

the cardinput table

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juski:

tunechan is the column you want

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juski:

badabing

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** juski vanishes into the night once more. you're welcome, btw **

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jrr:

not 'startchan' ?

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jrr:

thanks.

[22:01:11]

juski:

no, startchan is the starting channel

[22:01:23]

juski:

the last tuned to channel is 'tunechan'

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jrr:

that one's empty right now

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juski:

or maybe myth sets startchan to the last channel tuned these days..

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juski:

anyway...

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wraz79:

anybody know where i can find a fix for a twinhan card and a disecq switch?

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pat_:

I know a little about twinhan cards, nothing about whatever a disecq switch is

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wraz79:

a switch to have up to 4 lnbs attached

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wraz79:

so it just switched between them

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chuk:

whats the problem with it?

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chuk:

what kind of switch is it?

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wraz79:

just a disecq 4x1

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wraz79:

diseqc

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chuk:

hmm, I didn't have to edit anything

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chuk:

what are you using for lof, etc.

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wraz79:

how did you set your up? the regular or the uncommited?

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chuk:

regular

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wraz79:

11250

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chuk:

11250, 11250, 0?

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wraz79:

i just use the n.america cetting

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wraz79:

yep

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chuk:

port 1 of the switch populated?

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wraz79:

nope none of them would but when i go straight to the lnb it scans ok

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chuk:

switch powered...

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wraz79:

nope just a regular switch that the cable attaches to

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chuk:

none of the hardware is dishpro?

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chuk:

lnb, etc.

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wraz79:

nope just universal lnb's

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wraz79:

one is a regular dish lnb

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wraz79:

and two universals

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chuk:

odd

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chuk:

what version of myth?

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chuk:

trunk or fixes?

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wraz79:

yeah. how do i check?

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chuk:

how did you install it?

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wraz79:

im not really sure i think its the latest one

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chuk:

compile?

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wraz79:

package manager in ubuntu

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wraz79:

says its version.20

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chuk:

ok, so that is just general release

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chuk:

which is fine

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chuk:

what port of the switch do you use for the twinhan?

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wraz79:

theres only the one output

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chuk:

ah 4x1

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chuk:

ok

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chuk:

do you know which lnb is for which sat?

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wraz79:

yep

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chuk:

when you hooked up direct, which lnb did you use?

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chuk:

to which sat

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wraz79:

82

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wraz79:

bell

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chuk:

and which port of the switch is that on?

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wraz79:

1

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chuk:

hmm

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chuk:

sounds like I'm not telling you anything that was already obvious

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chuk:

wasn't

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wraz79:

yeah its kind of odd

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wraz79:

it works fine in winxp wiuth dvbdream

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chuk:

with the switch?

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wraz79:

yep

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chuk:

odd

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wraz79:

yeah i know im thinking of seeing if i can get a new switch and try it out.

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wraz79:

http://www.curious-contraptions.com/forums/sh . . . .php?t=17133

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wraz79:

i think thats it chuck.

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wraz79:

but when i try to go to the directory it says its not there

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chuk:

you dont have the source

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chuk:

since you downloaded the package from ubuntu

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chuk:

you have to download source, edit file, compile source

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wraz79:

ahh ok

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wraz79:

sounds like kind of a pain

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chuk:

yeah

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chuk:

compile takes a long time too

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wraz79:

yeah i know.lol

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wraz79:

well maybe ill try a new switch and see if it works before i do anythign drastic

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wraz79:

k i got a random question here does it record everytime you change the channel?

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wraz79:

and can you stop it from doing so?

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jrr:

wraz79: you looking to remove the always-recording-ness? (and of course the ability to pause live tv, etc)

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wraz79:

yeah

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wraz79:

dont have a big drive right now

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wraz79:

chuk are y0ou using the remote for the twinhan?

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BSD_Tech:

ok the new iso works and the ne myth is nice

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BSD_Tech:

mythdora rocks

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hound:

wraz79, by default live tv recordings should be prioritized so they expire first, meaning they'll get deleted when you reach your space limit. I only have a few gigs free and watch HD streams, doesn't keep a very large buffer. Not sure if theres a way to turn it off if your still intent on doing so.

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wraz79:

ahh ok i was just concerned that it migh tjust fill the drive up. but i fi want to record somethign just hit record and go then

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hound:

Does anyone else see OSD vibration when using xvmc on 0.20-fixes?

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wraz79:

is there a way to fix the interlaced look? to get it to blend and be smooth instead of seeing lines in movement? i tried changing the scan option but it didnt do anything

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Gumby:

can anyone here recommend decent tuners for HD. one(s) that arent too pricey :)

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purserj:

Gumby: define pricey, depends on locale

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Gumby:

purserj: well, definately below $200CAD. With any luck closer to the $150 mark.

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grndslm:

is there any benefit to recording with pvr-500 at anything greater than 480x480?

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Gumby:

purserj: and it probably doesnt have to be supported in linux. the GF wants to use Vista MCE

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** Gumby gags **

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purserj:

Why!?!?

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purserj:

Well I'm in Australia and I'm using one of these: http://leadtek.com/usa/tv_tuner/overview.asp? . . . ronameid=220

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Gumby:

well, she is going to be left to maintain it. She's used mythtv before and MCE and prefers MCE. And to be honest, I really dont want to have to support any issues. hehe

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hound:

I think one of the happauge HD cards are $100, but not supported under linux.

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purserj:

Handles HD/SD without an issue

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pat_:

purserj: got two of them

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Gumby:

I'm still not all that familiar with all things HD etc. So much information out there for me to sift through. Its adding to my already huge headache today. hehe

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purserj:

pat_: yeah I'm looking at getting at least one more

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pat_:

they're supported out of the box with ubuntu 6.06

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pat_:

Linux mutton 2.6.15-28-k7 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Mar 13 21:02:30 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux

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purserj:

mines a gentoo box

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Gumby:

I have two pvr-150's and one pvr-250 and to be 100% honest, and I hate to admit it, but the video quality is better in windows :(

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Gumby:

even so, I stick with mythtv on my pvr box

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juski:

wraz79: you should be using bob deinterlacing with xvmc for best results

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purserj:

Well I can say the dtv1000 is quite a nice little card

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pat_:

they're dirt cheap now, umart has them for AU$65 now

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** juski has three of the dtv1000's predecessors.. lr6650 :) **

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Gumby:

purserj: so that card shouldnt have a problem with the HD cable channels that my TV cable provider sends out

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pat_:

Gumby: they're dvb-t cards

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wraz79:

juski where do i change the option?

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purserj:

hmm, thats a thought, what system does Canada use, dvb or the american system?

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Gumby:

pat_: I'm still learning what all the acronyms and formats are. right now, dvb-t doesnt mean much to me.

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purserj:

DVB is the European digital broadcast standard

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purserj:

Australia uses it as well

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pat_:

atsc or somthing like that?

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purserj:

I think the Americans use ATSC

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purserj:

yeah thats it

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Gumby:

purserj: one sec. I'll see if I can figure it out

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pat_:

aren't the hdhomeruns popular?

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juski:

wraz79: same place you enable xvmc from

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Gumby:

ah, I think its atsc.

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wraz79:

juski no idea. just got mythtv running so pretty new sorry

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hound:

I have an hdhomerun and like it.

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hound:

It is atsc

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hound:

Is dvb used on anything other then statellites?

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GreyFoxx:

digital cable

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purserj:

yeah, wikipedia says ATSC

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wraz79:

juski will it work with a ati raedon?

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pat_:

hound: regular over the air digital tv here

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pat_:

ie, from the transmission towers you can see

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GreyFoxx:

dvb is used in several standards

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juski:

wraz79: most definitely NOT

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GreyFoxx:

including streaming video to cellphones in some places

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juski:

only nvidia, via & some intels support xvmc

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juski:

dvb-h is an evil waste of spectrum!!!

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wraz79:

hmm guess im stuck with the interlaced look for now.

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juski:

and money, for folks foolish enough to use it :)

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purserj:

bleh, I'm looking through the Aus governments allocation procedure for the "datacasting" services

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purserj:

pat_: looks like they want to sell two nation wide licences

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pat_:

two more?

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purserj:

Yeah, restricted to non-commercial "narrow casting"

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purserj:

So in other words anybody who's interested is going to be paying millions of dollars for something they're not going to be making money from for a loooooong time

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wraz79:

nope hooked up with the vga to my plasma

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wraz79:

been thinking of getting a new video card guess it will be a nvidia.lol

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juski:

wraz79: try different deinterlacing methods & strike a balance between the OSD flicker & good looking video

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Gumby:

hrm, here is a thought. If I have an atsc tuner card in my pc, can I hook up my tv cable to it without using the set top box that the cable provider provides? Or will I have to go from the set top box to the PC?

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purserj:

Gumby: depends on if the service is encrypted

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Gumby:

man, I am so far behind in this technology its rediculous.

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juski:

you don't see the OSD all that much so I'd not worry about it a lot;)

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wraz79:

juski: the video scan option that you can selece when you hit m?

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juski:

nope

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purserj:

Gumby: I just ignore the whole pay tv thing

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juski:

utils/setup > setup > tv settings > playback – in there <<<

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purserj:

There's nothing to watch on the five free to air channels we've got

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purserj:

I don't want to pay $30 a month for twenty more channels with nothing on

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wraz79:

ahh ok. ill give it a try thanks juski didnt know that would effect the livetv

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Gumby:

purserj: I'm more interested in broadcasts that are in HD (like hockey playoffs :) )

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juski:

live tv is recorded all the time you watch it, therefore it's played back :-P

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wraz79:

makes sense.lol

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juski:

time for bed

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wraz79:

juski thanks for the help

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tank-man:

hockey in HD ...

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Gumby:

:)

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tank-man:

i watched hockey in HD once... nothing special

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Gumby:

I'll make the decision after I get my new TV.

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Gumby:

Ive got an old 21" jvc right now. its not so good. Plus it only has composite input from my PC

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Gumby:

thinking of getting a 32" LCD

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wraz79:

is there anythign to fix the jitteryness of hd? was smooth lastnight but kind of kittery today.

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tank-man:

see if the logs say anything

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wraz79:

sorry im pretty new where do i find the logs?

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tank-man:

maybe in /var/log/mythbackend

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tank-man:

and see if any info from running mythfrontend from a terminal/konsole

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tank-man:

things you can probably check are if xmvc (?) is on and if dma on your hard drive is on

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wraz79:

getting some buffer overflows

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wraz79:

action: read logger 0/1: Buffer overflow

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wraz79:

could it be the audio? when i uncheck the extra buffering in the playback options th evideo is smooth but the audio is a bit jittery

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tank-man:

i have no clue what buffer overflow could mean

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wraz79:

yeah im new to this so im lost.

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