Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, April 26th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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SpaceBassLaptop:

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/techspecs/

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Tanthrix:

hound: That wouldn't make any sense...

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SpaceBassLaptop:

ok... I asked this 2 years ago when I was considering myth and nearly got banned...but my goal is really to be legit...are there DirectTV tuner cards?

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directhex:

SpaceBassLaptop, unlikely. lock-in is king in entertainmentland

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hound:

Tanthrix, I agree. The way people are talking about receiving DVB signals being "bad" is saying just that it seems. Trying to rationalize what was going on .

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SpaceBassLaptop:

soooo... if I dont need mythfrontend and there's no good way to capture HD on the back end....

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SpaceBassLaptop:

think I'm SOL

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wraz71:

k anybody know how to make the channel list? after running the scan?

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directhex:

there's an immense fear of associating myth with the idea of receiving "unauthorized" encrypted broadcasts (and drawing a pack of entertainment industry attack lawyers). hence the taboo.

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Tanthrix:

SpaceBassLaptop: Yah, that card doesn't do MPEG2, only HDV, so you'd fill up a 500 gig drive after a few hours, I believe

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Tanthrix:

SpaceBassLaptop: Damn shame, too.

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SpaceBassLaptop:

Tanthrix, hummm oh well

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directhex:

is it technically possible? couldn't possibly comment

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directhex:

anyway, bedtime

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Tanthrix:

directhex: I'd say so

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Tanthrix:

Just expensive,.

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directhex:

Tanthrix, i mean grabbing the signal without a set-top box

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Tanthrix:

Oh, not sure. Don't know anything about DVB

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directhex:

the first rule of CAM club is you do not talk about CAM club

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directhex:

anyway, bed

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hound:

right, but if the signal is encrypted, that's different then what I was talking about.

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hound:

gnight

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wraz71:

ok when i try and scan and make the mychannels.conf file it says permission denied

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wraz71:

am i missing a step here?

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wraz71:

it scaned ok first time but when i try to write the mychannels.conf file it comes up with the pr=ermission denied.

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rokstar:

quick q: for some reason I can't scan forward in my tv recordings, is there some bug or something I should be aware of?

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Dagmar:

scant: Are you using a framegrabber card?

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scant:

Dagmar: 2 PVR-150's

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Tanthrix:

scant: Why are you running your comflagg jobs in realtime?

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scant:

i want to be able to start watching a show a bit after it's started, while it's still on, and easily skip commercials

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Tanthrix:

Ahh, I see. Have you tried killing them to see if the problem goes away?

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Dibblah:

scant: 2Ghz?

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rokstar:

is there a configuration option to assign names to tv recordings instead of numerical identifiers?

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Dibblah:

Yes, I'd say it's normal, depending on the options you have set for flagging.

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scant:

Dibblah: i have the options to realtime, two user jobs at a time, start immediately, and all commflagging techniques (forgot the actual term)

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Dibblah:

rokstar: mythrename.pl will create symlinks / possibly rename files to be 'friendlier'.

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Dibblah:

'All' is expensive.

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scant:

Dibblah: however, I can do all of that with XvMC instead of Standard mpeg decoder...

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Dibblah:

Takes 50% of my X2 4200.

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Dibblah:

XvMC is unlikely to make any difference.

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scant:

it tottaly does

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Dibblah:

Interesting.

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scant:

with XvMC i can record two programs, comm flag them both with experimental in real time and watch a 3rd previously recorded programming

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Dibblah:

Well, if it works, use it ;)

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scant:

Dibblah: but XvMC is totaly unstable on my setup

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chuck:

anyone know the string to set the root password for mySQL? i think it uses myphpadmin or something?

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Dibblah:

XvMC only affects playback – It's not used for commflagging.

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Dibblah:

Unfortunately :(

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scant:

Dibblah: hmmm... maybe it's related to the nvidia vsync slowdown i've been reading about

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Dibblah:

Very possibly.

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Dibblah:

Search for posts from Daniel on the -users mailing list.

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Dibblah:

specifically mentioning nvidia-settings

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Dibblah:

ISTR turn off both tickboxes referring to vsync...

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Dibblah:

Upgrade to the latest driver...

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scant:

there are two vsync checkboxes?

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Dibblah:

And if that doesn't work, you're going to need a chicken.

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Dibblah:

in nvidia-settings, yes.

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Dibblah:

nvidia-settings --assign="SyncToVBlank=0"

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Dibblah:

nvidia-settings --assign="XVideoBlitterSyncToVBlank=0"

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Dibblah:

Pardon the paste :)

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scant:

Dibblah: i think they are already un-checked

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Dibblah:

which card?

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Dibblah:

look up useevents.

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scant:

6200LE

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Dibblah:

It's bedtime for me :)

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andjelko:

hi

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grndslm:

is there a way to change the default rewind time from 5 seconds to 15 seconds??

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jams:

grndslm- yes it's in the playback group settings screen

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grndslm:

jams: ahh yes, i've only been there once

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grndslm:

thanx

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WhoKnow1:

I'm having a hard time accessing mythweb from MSIE

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jams:

grndslm- np

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andjelko:

ok

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Tanthrix:

I just got a "releasing zombie picture" error from my backend – that doesn't sound good!

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andjelko:

here's a question

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andjelko:

how do I patch a kernel from 2.6.20.7 to 2.6.20.8 ?

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andjelko:

patch-kernel script reversed the thing to 2.6.20

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andjelko:

oops

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andjelko:

wrong channel

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WhoKnow1:

in my error.log for apache2, I get "couldn't check user"

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pdelgado:

hello all

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cecil:

hello

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sivel27:

hello everyone

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Ross_C:

for anyone running cvs using libvisual-projectM for visualization, grab these and unzip them in /usr/share/projectM/presets – http://xbmc.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/xbmc/t . . . ns/Milkdrop/

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sivel27:

is it at all possible to control a fta box via serial? serial to serial port, non-ir?

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Sid`:

anything's possible

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Sid`:

if the box can handle it

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Sid`:

you'd just need to write a bit of software that you could stick in your change-channel script

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Sid`:

that knew how to talk to a serial port

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Sid`:

wouldn't be over-difficult

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sivel27:

heh :] where to start?

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Sid`:

well

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Sid`:

first things first

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Sid`:

figure out the serial protocol your box uses

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sivel27:

yes

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Sid`:

hook it up via a serial cable and talk to it in minicom

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Sid`:

see if you can change the channels that way

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sivel27:

forgive my total and utter stupidity, but how?

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sivel27:

i have minicom installed

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Sid`:

ok, well first things first

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Sid`:

have you got the right kind of serial cable?

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sivel27:

yes, a regular rs232, non null modem cABBLE

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sivel27:

sivel@media:~$ statserial

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sivel27:

statserial: TIOCMGET failed: Input/output error

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Sid`:

statserial?

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Sid`:

whats that meant to do?

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sivel27:

test the com port i believe

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sivel27:

anyway, nvm that, you were saying

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sivel27:

im not quite sure, what can i do to find out?

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Sid`:

over serial?

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Sid`:

check the manual

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sivel27:

its a pansat 2700a

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Sid`:

i have no idea what a pansat 2700a is

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sivel27:

http://www.extremesats.com/pansat2700.htm

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Sid`:

what you need to find out

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Sid`:

is the expected baud rate on the thing's serial port

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Sid`:

altho

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sivel27:

ok

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Sid`:

you should just be able to fire up minicom and try a few until it works

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Sid`:

9600 is the most likely

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Sid`:

followed by 19200, then 115200

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sivel27:

ok

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Sid`:

then comes the fun work of decoding the protocol

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sivel27:

nice

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sivel27:

ive setup minicom, as far as the port used is concerned, but ive read and read and dont understand how/what commands i can send with it

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Sid`:

well

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Sid`:

it'll either be some whacky binary thing

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Sid`:

in which case it'd be better to let someone else figure it out, unless you're a reasonable reverse engineer

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Sid`:

OR

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Sid`:

it'll be a CLI of sorts

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Sid`:

in which case you can just yell at it until it does what you want

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** sandeen__ realizes his mythbox is 90% full of pbs kids' shows :) **

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xris:

heh

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sandeen__:

"record at any time on this channel" can be dangerous when you have a PBSKids digital channel :)

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xris:

heh

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xris:

my box is full of discovery HD

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xris:

well, sort of.

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xris:

I've been moving it off to another machine

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sandeen__:

has anyone ever proposed a sort of 'screen saver' for the frontend, to go back to the root menu after some timeout?

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xris:

no clue

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sandeen__:

I've been playing w/ getting my HD to spin down, which is all fine & good

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xris:

just don't run me-po

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xris:

heh

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sandeen__:

but if I stay on the recordings screen it's playing the preview

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xris:

ah, yeah.

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sandeen__:

and it'll never spin down;n would be nice to bail out of that after 10 idle mins or so

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sandeen__:

and maybe even a live tv timeout... 5 hours or something :)

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xris:

not to mention cpu usage

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sandeen__:

yeah

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sandeen__:

there is the cpu usage niceness option on the preview, but still

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sandeen__:

and network usage if the backend is remote

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** sandeen__ likes mepo **

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xris:

I think there's a glitch in the frontend at the moment that makes the animated things crunch the disk

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sandeen__:

hmm

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xris:

but maybe I misunderstood something about that

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sandeen__:

i actually got my combined frontbackend to spin down the root drive fairly well for reasonable stretches of time

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xris:

hmm, no juski.. can't give him a hard time about the voiceover on his mythtv promo vid

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sandeen__:

heh

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sandeen__:

haven't seen that yet

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xris:

http://downloads.mythtvtalk.com/mythtv/videos/

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xris:

it's pretty good

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xris:

couple of little nitpicky details in the voiceover now, but most people won't notice.

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sandeen__:

204M... damn :)

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xris:

that's the small one

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sandeen__:

bittorrent anyone?

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xris:

the HD version is 600M

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xris:

(all of the rar files)

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sandeen__:

so what, is the idea to put it on cds and pass it around? :)

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xris:

no clue

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xris:

we'll use it at linuxfest this weekend, though

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xris:

got a nice poster, too.

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xris:

lol.. 2 meg pdf.

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sandeen__:

damn!

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sandeen__:

where's the poster :)

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xris:

http://webdev . siliconmechanics . com / mythtv_thanks.pdf

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xris:

remove the spaces

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xris:

I don't want that link archived

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sandeen__:

spinspinspinspin...

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xris:

it's a big file

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xris:

24 x 18 inches at 72 dpi

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sandeen__:

shouldn't it be all scalable though? :)

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sandeen__:

eh, what do I know

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xris:

it's mostly vector stuff, yes.

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** sandeen__ heads to bed **

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** ubuntuEdgy heads back to bed **

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** xris wants to go home from work **

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czthIII:

xris: so go, you coward

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xris:

if I go, it'd leave kormoc here all alone

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xris:

and would leave us with no mythbox for linuxfestnorthwest this weekend

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cecil:

xris: have fun!

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xris:

should be nice

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xris:

most expenses paid, etc.

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xris:

heh

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xris:

well, except for the spending extra hours at work

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xris:

it's a good thing my wife has class tonight (though she'll be getting home before me at this point)

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czthIII:

ooh, where's linuxfestnorthwest?

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czthIII:

you people are bastards for not telling me, you know

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xris:

czthIII: add a .org

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czthIII:

yeh i did

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czthIII:

i found it despite your tricks!

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xris:

I put two announcements on mythtv-users

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czthIII:

do i need to pay

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xris:

and free bus from siliconmechanics (us) and pogo ("the other guys")

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xris:

fest is free

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xris:

but overnight if you want to go to both days or one of the parties

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czthIII:

sweet. it's like 1h45 from my house

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czthIII:

i just found out yesterday that there's a Northwest C++ Users Group... all this news at once

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czthIII:

(and Scott Meyers spoke at said group today. very entertaining/interesting.)

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xris:

where do you live?

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czthIII:

Duvall

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czthIII:

east of Redmond

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czthIII:

yeah, i know, where Satan's seat is...

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czthIII:

should I wear my Microsoft badge?

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xris:

heh

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xris:

I think MS will be there... I haven't checked the list in awhile, though

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xris:

well, like I said.. free bus rides up if you're interested (although the simech bus is an overnight trip)

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czthIII:

where is the list of booths and of presenters?

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t0ny-p40:

I cant make my mind up!

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t0ny-p40:

I can get one from newegg for $115.

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czthIII:

t0ny-p40: i tried a -500, but it was flaky so i ended up getting two -150s

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xris:

czthIII: there should be a link from that website

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** xris just uses firewire **

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czthIII:

you'd surely think so

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czthIII:

ah OK i found it, i expected it to be in the left sidebar

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t0ny-p40:

xris, I cant even get in contact with someone from cableone that even knows what firewire is.

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xris:

t0ny-p40: that's lame

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xris:

czthIII: yeah, they need some help with their web design stuff

[04:56:18]

czthIII:

xris: do you know if volunteers are still needed?

[04:56:24]

t0ny-p40:

One guy keep saying I needed to contact the internet line about 'firewalls'.

[04:56:42]

czthIII:

t0ny-p40: teh ignroance, it staggers

[04:57:08]

xris:

czthIII: not a clue. I'm not one of the organizers (this year, anyway — might change if it moves to seattle next year)

[04:57:40]

t0ny-p40:

Do you think most of the sd channels would be unencrypted?

[04:57:43]

czthIII:

it looks like i can still register to help, but if that means nothing it's a waste of all our times, esp. if i get there early

[04:59:18]

xris:

you're welcome to help set up the mythtv table.. but it's basically just plugging in the tv. heh

[04:59:27]

xris:

t0ny-p40: it depends entirely on the provider.

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opello:

wootoff :)

[05:01:40]

xris:

cool

[05:05:31]

xris:

oh, different page.

[05:05:35]

xris:

I was thinking of the main firewire page

[05:06:37]

xris:

fyi, you'll need to add a "region" column of some sort

[05:06:44]

xris:

most cable companies are franchises

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Tanthrix:

t0ny-p40: You need to rename that page entirely. Something like "Firewire Cablebox Hardware Compatability"

[05:07:42]

Tanthrix:

t0ny-p40: And you need more info, like what's on the firewire page...

[05:09:30]

Tanthrix:

Though, I'd say in the end you should either have a page about hardware compatability, and a different page about cable company encryption statuses

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Tanthrix:

-eitehr

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Tanthrix:

-either*

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czthIII:

xris: i signed up as a volunteer, guess they'll let me know

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xris:

both days?

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czthIII:

it doesn't ask for a day

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czthIII:

probably just saturday... my wife's back from her folks saturday night :)

[05:21:01]

czthIII:

will have been gone 3 wks

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Tanthrix:

So are you very happy about that, or very sad? ;)

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czthIII:

that she's back? i guess it's been long enough that i'm happy <G>

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czthIII:

but the freedom is nice :>

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Tanthrix:

Hehe, good.

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Ediehow:

AHHHHHHH

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Ediehow:

man, the lockups for no reason

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Ediehow:

i see blocks and it jumps a few seconds in recording

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Ediehow:

2007-04–26 00:28:18.917 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND end

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IronEag1e:

good morning

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nonick9278:

anyone here running mythtv with 3 or 4 Hauppauge 250 cards?

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nonick9278:

i.e. does it work is all I'm looking for, or do the multiple cards cause ugly issues

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tank-man:

having problems with 3 or 4 cards?

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nonick9278:

no, wanting to see if I will =)

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tank-man:

if 1 works, why would 2 not work

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nonick9278:

I've been doing some reading and some of the cards/drivers don't behave so good with multiple cards (i.e. no audio on the first card, etc.)

[06:18:31]

nonick9278:

so I'd like to confirm it won't be a waste of money

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nonick9278:

alternatively if you know a better card to go with for 3–4 total inputs with hardware encoder I'd love to hear

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anykey__:

nonick9278: why not getting the PVR150?

[06:20:19]

nonick9278:

the 250 appears to have better quality encoding

[06:20:36]

anykey__:

sure about that?

[06:20:37]

nonick9278:

I was reading that the 500 (2 150's basically) have issues with graininess/etc

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nonick9278:

and that the 250 generally gets you a better picture

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anykey__:

nonick9278: I have a 500, no problems at all with the picture

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nonick9278:

anykey__: cable tv/north america?

[06:22:42]

anykey__:

nonick9278: cable but switzerland (PAL)

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nonick9278:

yeah, I'm worried about signal strength/rf amp if I'm driving 3 or 4 in total, hence the graininess concerns

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Tanthrix:

It's all SD crap in the end ;)

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Hoxzer:

has somebody here build init script for mythtv-frontend?

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Chai_Sangeen:

hello everyone...

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Chai_Sangeen:

any recommendations for the most compatible hardware with out of the box support for mythtv backend and frontends?

[08:38:43]

Dagmar:

WHat kind of hardware?

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Chai_Sangeen:

motherboards...

[08:40:00]

Dagmar:

Enh... ASRock makes one with a ULi chipset that works quite well

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Chai_Sangeen:

Dagmar: okay ill check it out.... thanks.. what about an IR modules is the usb-uirt has good support?

[08:41:12]

Dagmar:

Basically, avoid ECS, PChips, and FIC, and probably Foxconn as well

[08:41:42]

Dagmar:

The IR modules on motherboards basically _wont_ work with lIRC, if that's what you're asking

[08:41:57]

Chai_Sangeen:

Dagmar: No just an external one...

[08:42:18]

Dagmar:

I shelled out the $30 for the premade serial one from IguanaSoft

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Dagmar:

Mainly becuase I wanted a high-powered transmitter

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Dagmar:

THe things turned out to have a pretty sensitive reciever, too.

[08:43:21]

Dagmar:

It sits on the back of my box, and has no problems detecting me pushing buttons on the remote

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Chai_Sangeen:

Dagmar: okay im also confused and something.... im currently running my myth backend with a Twinhan DVB-S tunner but I'd like to use a setup box instead... there is no TV guide online service for the middle east.. so how will I get the epg?

[08:45:14]

Chai_Sangeen:

if using setup box

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Dagmar:

I've no idea

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Dagmar:

Without an online service providing listings, you pretty7 much don't get them

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Chai_Sangeen:

Dagmar: hmmm... okay no prob... thanks though

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Chai_Sangeen:

That's sucks!

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Chai_Sangeen:

Dagmar: how hard is it to build an EPG which can collaborate with mythtv from scratch?

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Dagmar:

Not terribly.

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Chai_Sangeen:

Dagmar: then ill start researching more about EPG thanks again...

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doc_:

hi there

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directhex|work:

foxconn aren't too bad

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gbee:

damn, dvd-rw on my laptop can't seem to read dvds anymore

[10:14:37]

MaverickTech:

:(

[10:15:09]

Merlin83b:

More a dvd-w, then.

[10:15:54]

gardengnome:

reminds me of perl code. it's write-only as well

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directhex|work:

tee hee

[10:16:11]

directhex|work:

gbee, optical drives are unfortunately finite lifetime items

[10:17:16]

gbee:

yeah, well this one died in infancy, the laptop is only 18 months old

[10:19:17]

gbee:

that's put me in a bad mood for the rest of the day

[10:19:34]

** gbee goes to check the warranty **

[10:25:52]

gbee:

ok, probably should have filled out and sent the warranty card ...

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directhex|work:

my dad's laptop dvd drive died after 10 months

[10:30:34]

directhex|work:

they repaired it under warranty, but broke the screen in the process

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gardengnome:

nice.

[10:31:22]

gbee:

it can still read CDs and it can see some DVDs, but playback of DVDs aborts pretty quickly with some block seek failures :(

[10:32:36]

directhex|work:

my laptop can't see sid meier's civilization 4 for some reason

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MaverickTech:

gbee: clean the lens (carefully) ?

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gbee:

MaverickTech: tried that

[10:34:56]

MaverickTech:

it's not good when it happens on a laptop – not so easy to replace

[10:35:54]

MaverickTech:

if fixed a dead laptop screen a while back, by buying a cheap, broken laptop off ebay, that had working screen

[10:38:16]

MaverickTech:

bah! another late title change on epg – missed another recording

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gbee:

never having replaced a CD/DVD drive in a laptop, are they generally interchangable? Or will I need to get the same model to guarentee that it will fit?

[10:45:22]

MaverickTech:

almost certianly same model

[10:45:40]

MaverickTech:

the drive in my toshiba here, swaps out

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gardengnome:

same here, but it sits in some kind of swap-out tray. you can easily remove the drive from the tray

[10:46:21]

gbee:

yeah, had an old toshiba once – drive could be swapped easily, won't be the case here

[10:46:24]

MaverickTech:

there is a latch underneath the laptop, switch that, and the drive pops out

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MaverickTech:

what's your LT ?

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MaverickTech:

if it's critical, you might pick up a USB external drive somewhere ?

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gbee:

ASUS A6K

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gbee:

not critical, but I might pick up an external drive if it costs less than replacing this one

[10:48:53]

gbee:

drive itself is a Samsung TS L532A

[10:49:03]

gardengnome:

i've got an asus m2400n myself

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gbee:

hmm, looks like it's just two screws holding the drive in place, so swapping shouldn't be too much of an ordeal

[10:51:04]

Milosch:

http://cgi.ebay.com/TS-L532A-TOSHIBA-SAMSUNG- . . . cmdZViewItem

[10:51:13]

Milosch:

whoa, sorry for the long url

[10:51:40]

Milosch:

but, i found 2 of those on ebay

[10:51:58]

gbee:

"NO OUTSIDE U.S. SALES PLEASE"

[10:52:07]

gbee:

but I'll try ebay UK

[10:52:42]

Milosch:

not sure if this drive is the same, but worst case maybe changing some plastic case pieces or something...

[10:52:46]

MaverickTech:

can you ask them about the ugly artifacts on my mythtv menu, while you're there ;)

[10:53:13]

gbee:

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Milosch:

nice

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MaverickTech:

all good then gbee

[10:53:34]

Milosch:

i got the dvd writer for my ibm from ebay

[10:54:29]

Milosch:

sadly, ebay is only as good as each vendor :)

[10:54:53]

Milosch:

sometimes you can tell by the vendor's ratings, etc.

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gbee:

hmm, those cheap ones apparenty can write DVDs

[10:56:15]

Milosch:

anyway, i like the (old) thinkpads because of the easy swappability

[10:56:27]

Milosch:

i guess the new ones still have this

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gbee:

s/can/can't/

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gbee:

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directhex|work:

the advantages of a laptop with no optical drive!

[11:07:04]

gbee:

think I'll try the Asus UK Service company, just ask them what they might charge for a replacement

[11:07:23]

gbee:

don't expect it to be a bargin, but at least I can compare other prices against it

[11:09:22]

gardengnome:

gbee: i wonder how quickly they'll react. their service in germany got much worse after they outsourced it

[11:10:31]

juski:

re

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Milosch:

hola, juski

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juski:

hi Milosch, all :)

[11:17:55]

pluesch0r:

evening! i'm using mythtv to watch analog tv. is there a way to auto-clip black borders (4:5 vs. 16:9)

[11:18:31]

Milosch:

zoom?

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juski:

you know all the fuss I made a while back about omgoptimiserifying bootup times... apparently there's a Toshiba HD-DVD player that takes over 40 secs to boot up, then a further 30 secs to do anything with an inserted disc!

[11:18:53]

Merlin83b:

lol

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pluesch0r:

Milosch: come again?

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directhex|work:

juski, it's a redhat-based pentium 4 pc if memory serves

[11:19:16]

Milosch:

my 20" bedroom tv takes 5–10 seconds to boot the cpu ;)

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pluesch0r:

is theer such a thing as black border detection?

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pluesch0r:

s/theer/there/

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juski:

pluesch0r: nope

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pluesch0r:

juski: ow. :)

[11:19:50]

juski:

pluesch0r: myth has different zoom modes

[11:20:04]

pluesch0r:

hm.

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pluesch0r:

so i have to adjust the pic manually.

[11:20:10]

juski:

for showing 4:3 content on a 16:9 screen there's 4:3 zoom

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Milosch:

no fancy border fills for that? ;)

[11:21:57]

juski:

yeah boo hoo you have to adjust the picture manually. until your patch is accepted, that's the way it is I'm afraid

[11:26:07]

juski:

hard cheese if you own a plasma.. watch too much 4:3 content & it'll dim the middle part of the screen prematurely if you're not careful. muhahahaha

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directhex|work:

there's got to be scope for making jokes about plasma buyers being dim somewhere in that

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Milosch:

eh, they still look really nice

[11:36:22]

Milosch:

but they should probably be viewed as something of a lightbulb, with similiar lifetimes

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juski:

dink!

[11:37:01]

juski:

time to buy a new bulb

[11:37:02]

directhex|work:

lightbulbs cost 50p, not £2k

[11:37:17]

juski:

bah it's only money!

[11:37:26]

Milosch:

if i had the money, i think i'd opt for the best picture, not the best value ;)

[11:37:38]

juski:

why worry when you can just go & add another sum to the £50bn consumer debt in the UK? ;)

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Milosch:

in which case i would also have a buyer, and installers on staff

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directhex|work:

you could spend the leftover money on having beautiful ladies lounging about your appartment in thir underthings

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Milosch:

perhaps a carousel in the next room loaded with 5 new plasmas ready to go

[11:39:26]

Milosch:

rotisserie du plasma

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Zider:

surround-picture?

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Milosch:

more like a round disassembly line

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Milosch:

so your workers change out the broken one and you continue to view one of the other 4

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Milosch:

mounted on large ball bearings or something

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juski:

sounds incredibly practical

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Milosch:

hole in the wall...

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Milosch:

oh sure ;)

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juski:

I say my man, put me down for one in every room of every wing of my hoise

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Milosch:

almost Dr. Seuss in construction

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Milosch:

i think DaVinci may have a drawing of it

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juski:

I was in his class at college. always disrupting lectures with his wisecracks. pfft

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Milosch:

heh

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gbee:

does ebay have an 'ignore' seller option? Don't want to accidently buy from the guy I had problems with in the future

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gbee:

hmm, shortage of PVR-150s on ebay

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planktonboy:

hi all

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Hoxzer:

hi, how can I make mythfrontend run in background ? "myhtfrontend &" still echoes into starting console

[12:47:25]

gbee:

*sigh* after all that drama over the 'broken' DVD Rom drive, it started working properly again after power cycling the laptop

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Zider:

Hoxzer: redirect the output

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gbee:

Hoxzer: nohup mythfrontend >/dev/null &

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Hoxzer:

Zider: do you mean like > /dev/null?

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Hoxzer:

still seems to echo into console

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gbee:

nohup prevents it being kill when you log out (e.g. when starting it from a ssh session)

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Zider:

2&>/dev/null redirects errors I believe

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Zider:

and 1&>/dev/null redirects stdout

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gbee:

>/dev/null tells nohup to redirect the output and & causes it to run in the backend

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Hoxzer:

Great :)

[12:51:54]

Zider:

and ofcourse, you can redirect to log files instead of /dev/null

[12:52:04]

juski:

background, not backend – surely?

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Hoxzer:

I know

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juski:

how about 'thanks' not 'I know' then? ;)

[12:53:40]

Hoxzer:

Naah, that would be too polite

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Hoxzer:

Guys get too proud and stop trying

[12:54:17]

juski:

folks stop helping the ungrateful ones

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juski:

it's not much to ask ffs

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gbee:

bah, why do I even bother bidding on Ebay? Time and time I complain about it yet I still go back

[13:07:27]

tzanger:

heh

[13:07:30]

tzanger:

I never bid

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tzanger:

I snipe

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tzanger:

always have, always will

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gbee:

if I thought sniping would improve my chances of getting a bargin I might do that, but judging from all the auctions I've bid on, the winner never seems to get a bargin

[13:10:03]

gbee:

of course a bargin is subjective

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gbee:

[13:11:27]

Anduin:

spending a few minutes finding the cheapest retail price is much less stress (a different bargain)

[13:11:29]

Milosch:

sometimes you can find something with a poor description, i.e. hard to search for

[13:12:08]

gbee:

Anduin: in my most recent purchases I've managed to find everything cheaper retail than buying through Ebay

[13:12:20]

gbee:

and like you say, it's less stressfull

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juski:

ebay stopped being good value for money a few years ago IMHO

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opello:

it depends on what you're looking for

[13:13:06]

juski:

it's partly the punters to blame I think

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juski:

"ooo £2 cheaper than PC world and 'only' a tenner P&P !!"

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juski:

don't think IT gear is cheaper than anywhere else anymore

[13:14:20]

gbee:

finding the local computer fair can often turn up better bargins

[13:14:23]

juski:

nor most AV gear

[13:14:26]

Milosch:

still very useful for used, auto parts, etc.

[13:14:30]

opello:

and is a good outlet for things that aren't available in retail anymore

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gbee:

usually the stall where the guy sells parts scavenged from old office machines

[13:15:08]

Milosch:

and for that near mint copy of amazing fantasy #15 you've always wanted

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juski:

gbee: Bowlers is now mostly shite stalls selling warez, blank media, print consumables, mobile phone tat

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juski:

oh and gawdy shite cases lit up like xmas trees ;)

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Milosch:

our best seller!

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juski:

everything a home pirate could ever want, in effect

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Anduin:

everything comes with lights now

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Milosch:

Antec Vegas ;)

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gbee:

juski: that's a pity

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juski:

yeah I know. Bowlers used to be really really good

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gbee:

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Milosch:

friends, eh ;)

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gbee:

thinking about it, that was further back than I thought – it was my last year at uni, so it has been a while since I was last at a fair

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juski:

handy if you want some cheap DVD-Rs

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juski:

or the latest hooky films

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juski:

or a 300 disc/hour duplicator (!). seriously

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gbee:

heh

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sphery:

Trey, GreyFoxx is right. It varies by time...

[14:06:56]

sphery:

(didn't know your nick)

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anykey__:

sphery: you're the guy that posted to topic on the lists?

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sphery:

I haven't posted there... I'm not Geoff or Greg.

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anykey__:

ah ok

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sphery:

Just saw you reply to Greg (GreyFoxx) about how no one is talking, so I figured I'd let you know it's working for you.

[14:09:25]

planktonboy:

damn I just dont get this

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planktonboy:

am trying to set up my HDTV to 1080p

[14:10:18]

planktonboy:

but cant seem to figure out how to create a custom modeline

[14:10:32]

sphery:

anykey__: you can find out who I am with a /whois sphery :)

[14:11:00]

sphery:

planktonboy: Check avsforum.com . I'm sure someone already has created one.

[14:11:12]

dakointhere:

hey, action! :)

[14:11:12]

sphery:

Much easier than doing it yourself.

[14:11:16]

dakointhere:

(Trey)

[14:11:22]

planktonboy:

HDTV is Sharp LC42XD1E and graphics card is XFX nvidia 6200

[14:11:38]

planktonboy:

sphery yeah I looked there I think

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planktonboy:

will check again though

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planktonboy:

am trying out powerstrip at the moment

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directhex|work:

planktonboy, install "hwinfo", and try "sudo hwinfo --monitor". that should at least get the vertical & horizontal sync/refresh rates

[14:12:31]

directhex|work:

from which you can build a modeline

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planktonboy:

put another HD in the box and setup Win XP on that so I could try to make one with powerstrip

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planktonboy:

directhex ok thanks

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planktonboy:

will try that

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directhex|work:

http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl

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planktonboy:

yeah I managed to get my Sharp connected to the mythbox in Linux via DVI at 1920x1080 but not sure if its i or p but when QI run mythfrontend the blue background looks like the shades are distinct from one another instead of smoothing into one another

[14:17:05]

planktonboy:

thats the best I can describe it

[14:17:22]

fryfrog:

planktonboy: i don't think that theme is actually smmooth

[14:17:26]

fryfrog:

mine is like that in 720p

[14:17:28]

planktonboy:

anyways will look at that info you provided and will let you know...thanks very much

[14:17:34]

fryfrog:

and unless your tv is *new* it is prolly 1080i

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planktonboy:

fry,ah

[14:17:52]

planktonboy:

no its def 1080p

[14:18:22]

directhex|work:

it takes work to feed an interlaced signal out of x, so assume it's p by default

[14:19:20]

planktonboy:

anyways will check out those sites thanks

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fryfrog:

why would a 6200 not be able to output 1080?

[14:21:14]

fryfrog:

i mean, it'll do 1280x1024 np

[14:21:24]

fryfrog:

but i was taling about your TV accepting a 1080p signal

[14:25:15]

Como|Lappy:

ok, heres something im sure everyone here has heard a thousand times- mythtv-setup doesnt appear to be detecting my card, what did i do wrong. *stabs self for asking*

[14:25:58]

fryfrog:

does *linux* detect the card?

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planktonboy:

fryfrog afaik the Sharp LC42XD1E does accept a 1080p res

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fryfrog:

er, well i guess did you compile it yoruself first of all

[14:26:58]

Como|Lappy:

.... probably not

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juski:

ALWAYS test the card in linux before playing with mythtv

[14:27:13]

Como|Lappy:

yeah, i did alot of compiling for that sucker

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fryfrog:

he just said he did

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fryfrog:

no no

[14:27:25]

fryfrog:

i mean, did you compile *mythtv* yourself?

[14:27:36]

Como|Lappy:

yes, last night

[14:27:40]

Como|Lappy:

took for-freakin ever

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fryfrog:

okay, did you use the --enable-ivtv option?

[14:27:47]

Como|Lappy:

actually that was... tuesday

[14:27:48]

a5benwillis:

Hello

[14:27:49]

Como|Lappy:

not last night

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Como|Lappy:

i dont think so :(

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fryfrog:

you can just quickly run "./configure --previous" and see what it says

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fryfrog:

look for something about "ivtv" and "enabled" at the end

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Como|Lappy:

hm, dont see any ivtv at all

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fryfrog:

Como|Lappy: are you using svn 0.20 -fixes branch or?

[14:29:56]

Como|Lappy:

http://dually.netman86.com/myth

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fryfrog:

ivtv support no

[14:30:22]

fryfrog:

okay, you say you *compiled* mythtv on your own, by hand?

[14:30:30]

fryfrog:

didn't use packages for your distro

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fryfrog:

right?

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fryfrog:

ivtv support yes

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fryfrog:

:[

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Como|Lappy:

make and make install means compiled, yes?

[14:30:49]

fryfrog:

its right there under #input support :)

[14:30:52]

fryfrog:

yeah, exactly

[14:31:03]

Como|Lappy:

so yes

[14:31:03]

fryfrog:

okay, so your myth has ivtv support

[14:31:07]

fryfrog:

so now, in mythtv-setup

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fryfrog:

you goto add a card

[14:31:14]

Como|Lappy:

yeah, i see it in the browser now

[14:31:15]

Como|Lappy:

heh

[14:31:18]

fryfrog:

then, you have to cycle through the list of types, right?

[14:31:26]

fryfrog:

dvb, firewire, etc

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Como|Lappy:

hang on, i need to forward a port to get to X

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fryfrog:

you should stumble on "ivtv" or "mpeg2" or something

[14:35:07]

Como|Lappy:

bah, i cant seem to connect

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sphery:

planktonboy: Although the theme does have a smooth gradient, because of the way they process color, LCD's and DLP's and Plasma TV's cannot display the smooth gradient (they have a limited number of displayable colors compared to CRT's).

[14:37:57]

sphery:

So, it will look graduated instead of smooth with most (all?) HDTV's you can buy.

[14:38:26]

sphery:

I'm guessing you're using Minimalist-wide, BTW. It looks smooth on my CRT, but graduated on my 1080p DLP.

[14:38:34]

Como|Lappy:

because plasmas suck, rear projections suck, and most cheap hdtvs suck

[14:38:48]

tzanger:

does anyone have any general guidelines on ffmpeg transcode to h264 which would give me similar quality ot 700MB and 1400MB xvid DVD rips?

[14:38:50]

juski:

sucky things suck? amazing!

[14:39:00]

tzanger:

juski: and blowy things blow, too... :-)

[14:39:04]

Como|Lappy:

yeah, really

[14:39:11]

Como|Lappy:

lcd ftw

[14:39:42]

sphery:

Como|Lappy: LCD's are the same.

[14:39:47]

juski:

my themes look just fine on my lcd monitor

[14:40:10]

juski:

have to say they look even better on my crt tv though – despite it only being SD

[14:40:17]

Como|Lappy:

cheap lcds are the same, like the ones used in big screen tvs

[14:40:25]

Como|Lappy:

good lcds dont have that problem

[14:40:51]

sphery:

Basically TV's are optimized for processing colors as used on, er, TV/video. They're not designed for 24-bit color as most video is actually 12-bit.

[14:40:53]

Como|Lappy:

but they're usually in the $1000+ range for anything around 23"

[14:40:54]

juski:

that's why I'd not go to 'a' store & buy 'a' display

[14:41:11]

planktonboy:

shpery, right

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planktonboy:

thanks for that info mate

[14:41:28]

planktonboy:

sphery even :)

[14:41:46]

sphery:

Yeah. After a while, you won't even notice.

[14:41:50]

juski:

most video is only 12 bit? where do you get that from?

[14:41:50]

planktonboy:

yeah it was worrying me as on the crt its really nice and smooth

[14:42:04]

directhex|work:

need moar bitz!

[14:42:06]

sphery:

Besides, on my TV, the collapsing light tunnel is far more annoying... :)

[14:42:15]

** directhex|work looks at hi-fi kit, gets scared **

[14:42:16]

qu0zl:

sphery, so it'd just be the guis that look bad, the video playback would be fine as it'd be 12bit encoded as 24bit? Is that right?

[14:42:26]

sphery:

qu0zl: yep

[14:42:37]

qu0zl:

cool. THat's not so bad at least

[14:42:52]

qu0zl:

i'm still in the world of SDTV CRTs

[14:43:23]

juski:

I'm gonna need a 'retro' silver HDTV when I get round to buying one

[14:43:30]

sphery:

juski: basically from MPEG specs and from being corrected by Chutt. The 12-bit color isn't the same as RGB 12-bit, though (which would suck).

[14:43:42]

juski:

black stuff sucks for home.. shows the dust too easy

[14:44:02]

juski:

sphery: ahh 4:2:2 :)

[14:44:13]

sphery:

yep

[14:44:43]

juski:

thought it'd be related to the sampling ratios

[14:44:51]

Como|Lappy:

damnit, i diddnt click the 'apply' box

[14:45:15]

Como|Lappy:

and now vnc works

[14:45:17]

Como|Lappy:

moving on

[14:45:32]

juski:

it's pretty close to how capable the human eye is at differentiating colours IIRC

[14:45:52]

Como|Lappy:

fryfrog

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sphery:

especially for photo-realistic images (i.e. those in video) as opposed to GUI's.

[14:46:28]

Como|Lappy:

scan type page- video source and capture card dropdowns are both entirely empty and wont drop down

[14:46:55]

sphery:

Como|Lappy: I don't think you have your capture card drivers installed properly...

[14:46:58]

Como|Lappy:

scan type dropdown just says failed to open- most probably repated

[14:47:04]

juski:

use the right arrow key

[14:47:15]

planktonboy:

one other thing then..on my sharp settings there are 2 settings for wide mode..Full and Underscan mode, if I use Underscan the screen fits perfect but if I use Full the screen goes over the edgesd of the tv

[14:47:17]

sphery:

Oh, yeah. That, too.

[14:47:19]

Como|Lappy:

tried that :(

[14:47:22]

juski:

is mythbackend running while you're doing that?

[14:47:27]

Como|Lappy:

hmmm

[14:47:33]

Como|Lappy:

i dont recall ever starting it

[14:48:01]

Como|Lappy:

the how-to ive been following likes to leave out ceartain important things

[14:48:08]

Como|Lappy:

should it be running?

[14:48:20]

planktonboy:

does that matter using underscan or is it better to use full and find a way to refit the screen into that

[14:48:32]

sphery:

planktonboy: TV's will overscan the signal, cutting off the edges, to allow for jagged/rainbow edges being hidden from the user and to ensure that the image takes up the full screen.

[14:48:49]

planktonboy:

sphery, yup?

[14:49:06]

Como|Lappy:

woah

[14:49:08]

planktonboy:

right I understand that much

[14:49:13]

planktonboy:

:)

[14:49:14]

Como|Lappy:

i pushed something and its channel-scanning

[14:49:43]

Como|Lappy:

it appaears to have found 0 channels, so it obviously wasnt the right thing to push

[14:50:11]

sphery:

planktonboy: You have options, though. You can have any 2 of the following: a) full resolution, b) 1:1 pixel mapping, and c) no overscan.

[14:50:13]

juski:

if you use zap2it doesn't that fill in all the frequencies for you?

[14:51:04]

sphery:

If you're in North America and using analog, you should use "Fetch channels from listings provider" rather than scanning for channels.

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planktonboy:

sphery, yeah been reading about that, but not sure how to set full 1.1 mapping, or is that what Full means

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juski:

planktonboy: read the TV's manual? experiment?

[14:51:51]

planktonboy:

and undercan meaning no overscan

[14:52:04]

sphery:

planktonboy: depends on the electronics in the TV and the signal you send it. But, basically (though not necessarily technically), it will be the closes of the 2.

[14:52:08]

planktonboy:

juski, been experimenting since I got it :)

[14:52:26]

juski:

what's the native res of the panel?

[14:52:35]

planktonboy:

the Sharp Manual is not much help

[14:52:45]

planktonboy:

juski supposed to be 1080p

[14:52:48]

** juski makes a note not to buy a Sharp **

[14:52:59]

Como|Lappy:

ok, its doing something from zap2it

[14:53:00]

planktonboy:

actually is a good tv

[14:53:02]

sphery:

planktonboy: The underscan mode will scale the image, so it's no longer full resolution. But, since part of that full resolution is off the edges of your TV...

[14:53:07]

juski:

planktonboy: 'does' 1080p, or IS 1080p ?

[14:53:23]

Como|Lappy:

i remember making that account, and that works fine

[14:53:27]

planktonboy:

but Im going to give this to my mother and getting the Samsung LE40M86BD

[14:53:39]

juski:

tried googling for the model number & modeline ?

[14:53:44]

Como|Lappy:

input connections seems to think /dev/video0 is a camera

[14:53:58]

juski:

Como|Lappy: got a webcam plugged in?

[14:54:03]

planktonboy:

juski ah..not sure

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Como|Lappy:

sure dont

[14:54:42]

Como|Lappy:

theres a view only vnc if you want to look

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juski:

tempting

[14:55:11]

Como|Lappy:

hehe

[14:55:15]

Como|Lappy:

<3 vnc

[14:55:31]

Como|Lappy:

might even work from firefox on....5801?

[14:56:15]

a5benwillis:

Anyone here amilier with using Myth with Satellite and DVB cards?

[14:56:22]

Como|Lappy:

oh, that was a linux thing

[14:56:24]

Como|Lappy:

damn you, windows

[14:56:30]

a5benwillis:

I cant get my EPG to populate for both of my video sources.

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juski:

a5benwillis: did you import a channels.conf rather than scan for channels?

[14:57:02]

a5benwillis:

I had to scan

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juski:

in mythtv-setup ?

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a5benwillis:

actually, I had to do some wierd things to even scan because I cant get my diseqc to switch ports while scanning but it will while watching live tv. wierd

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a5benwillis:

juski: I had to connect directly to each LNB and scan individually, then connect my switch and reconfigure my diseqc settings to watch tv.

[14:59:02]

a5benwillis:

the first lnbs chans show up in epg but not the second.

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juski:

weird

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a5benwillis:

yeah, I just got a new DP44 and a new DVB card in the mail today. I hope things work better/

[15:00:36]

juski:

dunno if EIT works with that kind of setup. if you speak german try asking in #mythtv-de – they get more dvb-s users there

[15:00:52]

a5benwillis:

i barely speak english ;-)

[15:01:34]

Como|Lappy:

sucks for you, eh

[15:02:14]

a5benwillis:

Ok, another question. I cant getthe new mythweb to work properly either. I get an error from "/var/www/mythweb/includes/utils.php"

[15:02:41]

juski:

'an error'.. descriptive!

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a5benwillis:

I followed the install instructions. the

[15:02:56]

a5benwillis:

workin on it.

[15:02:58]

a5benwillis:

"

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a5benwillis:

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: backend_command() in /var/www/mythweb/includes/utils.php on line 60"

[15:03:30]

juski:

using SVN ?

[15:03:36]

a5benwillis:

I think I may just start over, again.

[15:03:40]

a5benwillis:

yes SVN

[15:04:08]

juski:

checked the -dec & -commits mailing lists? looked for open tickets about it?

[15:04:13]

juski:

-dev list even...

[15:05:00]

a5benwillis:

I think it may be a depedency issue. Im installing on Ubuntu but not using the apt packages.

[15:05:32]

juski:

sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins ;)

[15:06:47]

a5benwillis:

let me try that

[15:07:16]

juski:

YMMV with SVN, always

[15:07:40]

a5benwillis:

arg, same error.

[15:07:45]

a5benwillis:

I'll keep checking

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juski:

fdisk! fdisk!

[15:16:55]

Como|Lappy:

haha, no

[15:17:15]

a5benwillis:

thats what I plan to do as soon as I get it all working.

[15:17:17]

a5benwillis:

lol

[15:17:18]

Como|Lappy:

im thinking when i get it to work im actually going to dd the whole thing

[15:17:20]

a5benwillis:

start over!

[15:17:54]

Como|Lappy:

or just the system partition

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hound:

Como|Lappy, what are you doing?

[15:18:21]

Como|Lappy:

trying to get mythtv to work?

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a5benwillis:

what dist?

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Como|Lappy:

slackware

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juski:

oo not fisty fraud?

[15:19:27]

juski:

;)

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Como|Lappy:

0.o

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fryfrog:

bah, feisty fawn is cooler than you and you know it :p

[15:20:33]

Como|Lappy:

it just occured to me i made a seperate partition just for the database

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Como|Lappy:

and never even made the database there

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directhex|work:

the database? not the recordings themselves?

[15:20:58]

Como|Lappy:

they each have their own

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Como|Lappy:

database is 1 gig, recordings is.... whatever was left.... 200 some odd

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hound:

a5benwillis, you could use aptitude and go to the mythtv package and jus tinstall the dependencies and not that package

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hound:

wee mythweb package

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hound:

wee=err

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a5benwillis:

hound: I just tried that.

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Ruleke:

some things just taste better from source

[15:22:05]

a5benwillis:

didntwork, I wonder if the SVN is a newer version than the apt package?

[15:22:09]

Ruleke:

kernel and myth are the ones for me :P

[15:22:47]

Como|Lappy:

be back in a few

[15:22:54]

modorf:

a5benwillis, which distro are you using?

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directhex|work:

the packages in feisty fawn are from 0.20-fixes

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a5benwillis:

edgy

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directhex|work:

the packages in edgy are 0.20

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modorf:

directhex|work, the packages in Feisty are little bit old too.

[15:24:25]

directhex|work:

modorf, yeah, but still protocol 31

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directhex|work:

which is the important bit

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juski:

and the database schema version...!

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a5benwillis:

so using the SVN source which ubuntu dist is better to use?

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a5benwillis:

I havent even downloaded fiesty yet

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directhex|work:

makes no difference

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juski:

none of the above?

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modorf:

didn't realize that, but did notice that there have been updates to Mythtv-Setup in mythtv feisty current

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directhex|work:

if you're compiling from svn (which isn't what i'd opt to do for a "production" service) then distro is largely irrelevant

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modorf:

blah.. miss typing and being distracted

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a5benwillis:

good news is I just got my new SkyStar 2 card. Put it in my test box and it was detected properly. Maybe my switching problems will go away now :)

[15:28:05]

modorf:

that was supposed to be, updates to mythtv-setup in svn compared to feisty packages

[15:28:44]

modorf:

the main thing was adding v4l device setup wtih dvb devices (shild card interface)

[15:29:08]

a5benwillis:

any of you guys use sat/dvb? or mainly cable guys?

[15:29:30]

modorf:

DVB via digital cable (USA).

[15:29:48]

a5benwillis:

intersting, havent tried that!

[15:30:03]

a5benwillis:

I have an old HP Wintv here at the office that I play with but only get 26 chans

[15:30:26]

juski:

dvb-t here

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a5benwillis:

I've been tryingto get a Twinhan 1020 to work but It refuses to switch properly during chan scan. It works 'most' of the time while watching live tv though.

[15:31:32]

modorf:

not familiar with that card.

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modorf:

I have a KWorld ATSC-110

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juski:

!trout stupid-sata-cable-suppliers lying

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** MythLogBot slaps stupid-sata-cable-suppliers with a lying trout on behalf of juski... **

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anykey__:

juski: lying? ;)

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juski:

'in stock'

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a5benwillis:

lol

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Como|Lappy:

k, back

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juski:

fucking bastards

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Hug1:

Hi

[15:32:45]

Hug1:

I have read the faqs recomended here but still have a very basic question

[15:32:48]

modorf:

work fine short of switching from DVB input -> Analog input. DVB doesn't release after changing to a new analog channel

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anykey__:

ah, know that... waited 1 month, the price for memory dropped from ~80$ to ~40$. they refused to give me the same price-drop...

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a5benwillis:

modorf: so you use a atsc card to get the signal from you cable box?

[15:33:03]

a5benwillis:

or from the wire?

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Hug1:

How do I create users in mythtv?

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anykey__:

Hug1: what?

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a5benwillis:

Hug1: Mythtv doesnt have users

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juski:

a5benwillis: from the wire. atsc cards don't capture HD

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anykey__:

Hug1: which users?

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Hug1:

oh ok

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modorf:

card : KWorld ATSC-110, QAM256 tuning straight from the cable, no box.

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a5benwillis:

modorf: Adding that to my list of things to read up on.

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Hug1:

so how do I diferenciate from my recordings from lets say my wife recordings?

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a5benwillis:

Of course, this linux/mythtv project has been killing me for three weeks now...

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juski:

Hug1: playback groups :)

[15:34:55]

a5benwillis:

what he said :)

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modorf:

juski, I get HD channels. Local ota channels via the cable.

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Hug1:

juski: what and wheres that?

[15:35:30]

modorf:

a5benwillis, where do you live?

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juski:

wiki.mythtv.org – read some docs

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a5benwillis:

US

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Hug1:

juski ok

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modorf:

cable provider?

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a5benwillis:

Charter

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modorf:

I live in Boston, MA with comcast

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Como|Lappy:

i think they have fios in boston

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a5benwillis:

well, I'm not sure what Im supposed to talk about here so... lol

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modorf:

Como|Lappy, they have started advertising fios in boston. I have no desire for it.

[15:38:15]

Como|Lappy:

i just about jerk off to it

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goreguts:

modorf, have you tried grabbing HD over firewire?

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Como|Lappy:

but it wont be here for some time

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modorf:

do you have any experiance with fios?

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** juski nukes span.com **

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Como|Lappy:

No, but i had verizons crappy dsl once

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Como|Lappy:

fios has a good upload

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modorf:

I know the internet is fast, but what is the video like

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Como|Lappy:

i dont care, i dont even watch tv

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goreguts:

i'd be interested in checking out fios tv, i think they have it here in pittsburgh

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goreguts:

i know we got fios before anyone else

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modorf:

goreguts, no exerience with hd over firewire. I don't have any cable boxes to try with.

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modorf:

Como|Lappy, wondering if the fios tv is encrypted, tuning results.

[15:40:43]

goreguts:

but i'm ok with comcast cable, i dont know if i'd want to completely switch to fios tv, especially if i dont like it

[15:40:57]

Como|Lappy:

no clue, im not even interested in tv

[15:41:02]

Como|Lappy:

i dont watch it

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Como|Lappy:

i just want fast internet

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juski:

damnit. I need 10 sata to esata cables about 1 metre long.. tomorrow!

[15:41:19]

modorf:

then why on the mythtv group?

[15:41:29]

Como|Lappy:

building one, not for me

[15:41:36]

modorf:

ahh.

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goreguts:

kinda silly to have mythtv if you dont like tv?

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goreguts:

oh, heh

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juski:

geexbox, freevo, if you don't need tv

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juski:

hell even xmms

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goreguts:

xbox media center

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Como|Lappy:

again, building one, not for me

[15:42:21]

Como|Lappy:

needs to record tv and whatnot

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modorf:

does the person have fios tv?

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Como|Lappy:

no, fios isnt available up here

[15:43:14]

Como|Lappy:

if it was i'd have it

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modorf:

oh.

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goreguts:

but you hate tv!

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goreguts:

oh, internet

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modorf:

heheh.

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Como|Lappy:

actually i dont have tv, mine died

[15:43:58]

Como|Lappy:

she does, though

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Como|Lappy:

and she needs to record something next month

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Como|Lappy:

her vcr died

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Como|Lappy:

i happened to own a pvr 350

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Como|Lappy:

i want fios internet, its so fast

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Como|Lappy:

anyways im trying another 'cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg'

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Como|Lappy:

gonna see if its even working

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Como|Lappy:

it was, but you never know

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a5benwillis:

modorf: I'm sure my provided blocks the signal at the pole... bah

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tzanger:

what do you guys typically use for transcode bitrates? 2200kbps seems about the same as DVD quality but is listed as "medium" quality (about a gig an hour)

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a5benwillis:

I do use their internet service though, just no cable tv

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Como|Lappy:

hm, can not render the file

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hound:

tzanger, I do 2200 as my low quality, then 4400 is my default

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jarle:

Is NVIDIA's PureVideo supported by MythTV (for playing HD material)

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tzanger:

hound: holy crap

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juski:

jarle: ROFLMAO!

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sphery:

jarle: NVIDIA's PureVideo is a trademarked name for an amorphous collection of technologies, including proprietary drivers, programmable pixel shaders, and video post-processing, that is Windows only.

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juski:

PureVideo doesn't work in Linux because nvidia haven't made it work in linux yet

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sphery:

And because there's no appropriate API by which they can make it work.

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jarle:

juski: so the restricted nvidia drivers doesn't support this yet?

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sphery:

Instead of the NVIDIA-specific proprietary approach, *nix developers should develop an open approach that uses OpenGL Shading Language.

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sphery:

Basically, all the features of PureVideo are available on Linux today, but they haven't been packaged together. (OK, by that I mean we could use the GLSL to use pixel shaders for decoding, but no one has written the library that does so, yet.)

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juski:

purevideo is mostly marketing BS anyway isn't it?

[15:54:54]

sphery:

Yep!!!

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sphery:

As I said, a trademarked name for an amorphous collection of technologies...

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juski:

from what I've read about it you don't even make a saving of 50% CPU time

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sphery:

Just a name...

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jarle:

but it is a good thing not having to do everything in the CPU when you can do it in the GPU, isn't it?

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sphery:

It's theoretically possible to put 100% of decoding on the GPU (which a sufficiently new video card), but you'd probably run out of instructions before doing any post-processing. Also, since many of the cards in use don't support enough instructions for 100% decoding, it made more sense for them to focus on post-processing.

[15:57:44]

sphery:

s/which/with

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juski:

it makes overall sense to chuck as much horsepower as you can afford at the problem ;)

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sphery:

So, as you said, it doesn't do that much for CPU usage...

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juski:

as for h.264 hdtv playback in linux, there's no other solution right now other than loads of GHz

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jarle:

juski: still you have to avoid additional heat and noise...

[15:59:53]

juski:

jarle: true

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Como|Lappy:

yeah, its not even working anymore

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** Como|Lappy stabs it **

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juski:

I'm screwed. if I can't get these sata to esata chassis mount cables I'm doomed. Dooooomed!

[16:01:52]

jarle:

guess I have to go for a dualboot HTPC if I want to compare MythTV with other frontends... Though I would prefer running linux....

[16:02:08]

juski:

jarle: no need. mythtv is the best

[16:02:21]

tzanger:

indeed

[16:02:30]

tzanger:

I want to take a look at hacking an appletv to be a myth frontend

[16:02:36]

tzanger:

I only wish the damn thing had an optical disk

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paranoid_:

hi, could anyone point me in the direction of a channel for Mythdora?

[16:03:10]

sphery:

juski: Can any of the available processors handle 1080i or 720p H.264 decoding in software (without that proprietary CODEC thing (CoreAVC or something))?

[16:03:45]

anykey__:

sphery: mine does, though at high motion scene it is a bit stuttering

[16:03:52]

sphery:

What processor?

[16:03:56]

anykey__:

sphery: I'm using a Celeron Mobile 1.5 GHz

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sphery:

H.264?

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sphery:

You sure?

[16:04:17]

anykey__:

sphery: 720p isn't that hard to decode, 1080p is the real quest

[16:04:25]

anykey__:

sphery: yes

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** jarle is looking for a CPU/GPU comination that will let me play full HD movies without any studdering (and not sound like a vacum-cleaner) **

[16:04:53]

paranoid_:

alternately, could anyone help me with the error found: http://pastebin.ca/459608

[16:05:26]

sphery:

I would have been suprised if a Celeron Mobile 1.5GHz could handle MPEG-2 decoding of 1080i/720p in real-time...

[16:05:56]

anykey__:

sphery: it does that quite well

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anykey__:

sphery: without xvmc

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Como|Lappy:

maybe ivtv broke

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anykey__:

sphery: this is the output of ffmpeg -i: Stream #0.0[0x11]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 1920x1080, 18000 kb/s, 59.94 fps(r), that is an MPEG2 1080p movie, I think

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Como|Lappy:

that would anger me

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ahbanks:

I'm curious – what sort of load/utilization is running on that Celeron when you're playing HD?

[16:07:03]

goreguts:

paranoid: maybe check the permissions on that file?

[16:07:06]

sphery:

paranoid_: Google can help you... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22c . . . oogle+Search

[16:07:15]

anykey__:

ahbanks: ~80% cpu usage, >100% cpu usage on fast motion etc.

[16:07:16]

sphery:

Basically, the problem is you're running SELinux...

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goreguts:

or that

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paranoid_:

sphery: thanks – just found the same answer :)

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paranoid_:

the mythdora site was down temporarily :-/

[16:08:03]

ahbanks:

Thanks...makes me re-think chasing high mhz on the next box

[16:08:13]

Rend:

Do i need a mysql database for front end only?

[16:08:29]

anykey__:

ahbanks: well, I'm going for an AMD 3200+ now, cause i'd like to watch without that occasional stuttering :)

[16:08:36]

goreguts:

no

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sphery:

Rend: Yes, but you /need/ it to be the same MySQL database your backend is hitting...

[16:08:41]

ahbanks:

:-)

[16:08:50]

sphery:

Rend: Meaning that you probably don't want to /run/ MySQL on the frontend...

[16:08:57]

juski:

Rend: mythfrontend needs a backend to talk to

[16:09:06]

Como|Lappy:

i cant modprobe ivtv

[16:09:07]

Como|Lappy:

wtf.

[16:09:21]

Rend:

Ok, i dont want to use tv. Just want to browse my videos/music and play them.

[16:09:34]

Rend:

Whats the best way to set this up?

[16:09:36]

anykey__:

Rend: you'll still need a backend + mysql database

[16:09:36]

juski:

Rend: so don't use mythtv. there are better ways if you don't want TV

[16:09:53]

Rend:

juski: whats a better option?

[16:10:10]

Rend:

Specifically its so i can browse/play videos with a remote.

[16:10:11]

juski:

geexbox, freevo, xmms, xbox media centre

[16:10:43]

Rend:

xbmc run on linux?

[16:10:58]

juski:

nope

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Rend:

and win32 :D

[16:11:15]

anykey__:

sphery: you have to realize that those mobile processors are pretty fast, because they are quite similiar to what's called Core today ;)

[16:11:17]

jarle:

Rend: If you do not need to be able to play HD content I would recomend xmbc, it is just awsome!

[16:11:18]

Rend:

to an extent

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Rend:

yeah ive got an xbox with it on :D

[16:11:29]

juski:

Rend: not win32

[16:11:34]

Rend:

juski, yes

[16:11:37]

juski:

NO

[16:11:48]

Rend:

ive got it and can run it on win32

[16:11:51]

juski:

they have a skin testing program that doesn't actually DO anything

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Rend:

ok well never gone that far

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juski:

there's that Elisa thingy too

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juski:

and other Linux media thingies. even seen one for cars somewhere

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anykey_:

juski: there is someone who uses myth in a car :)

[16:13:30]

Rend:

Elisa?

[16:13:48]

juski:

Rend: Elisa

[16:13:57]

juski:

based on Gstreamer & fluendo BS

[16:14:04]

Rend:

i would be happy with myth, except when i installed mythvideo, it crashes when i try and browse my home folder.

[16:14:15]

Rend:

It supports lirc too which is what im using for my remote.

[16:14:42]

juski:

xmms supports lirc

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Rend:

isnt that an mp3 player?

[16:15:26]

juski:

any program can be made to support lirc by using irexec or whatever

[16:15:44]

anykey_:

Rend: elisa supports lirc too

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juski:

http://www.xmms.org/

[16:16:28]

anykey_:

Rend: http://elisa.fluendo.com/features/

[16:16:39]

juski:

I've heard some BS talked about mythtv on my travels. whiny users walking over & saying "when is mythtv gonna have native lirc support?". stupid idiots

[16:17:27]

anykey_:

lol

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juski:

elisa hopes to one day be an awesome pvr app. not even the slightest signs of that stirring yet

[16:18:03]

juski:

if they ever stop their UI sucking I might consider trying it

[16:19:53]

Rend:

strange thing to say :S

[16:20:11]

juski:

Rend: backend can run on the same machine

[16:20:21]

Rend:

yeah, ill set it up now.

[16:20:25]

juski:

wherever it is, it needs to run for the frontend to work properly

[16:21:01]

** Como|Lappy stabs his tuner **

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gbee:

Rend: crashes, whatever the reason, be it bug or user error, need to be fixed so a backtrace would be gratefully received

[16:22:06]

gbee:

you don't need a backend to get a backtrace

[16:22:42]

gbee:

in the example given in the docs, just replace mythbackend with mythfrontend

[16:23:26]

Rend:

just recompiling it now

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sphery:

anykey_: do you know which processor you have? Is it a Merom 1024?

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Rend:

ill give it a go gbee

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Rend:

if i compile with debug can i use it without the debugger?

[16:24:18]

Como|Lappy:

DRIVER=="ivtv", SYSFS{name}=="ivtv? encoder MPEG", ID=="0000:01:0e.0", SYMLINK+="hauppage350"

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sphery:

anykey_: I could see the Yonah 1024 (based on Core) doing MPEG-2 HDTV without issue, Shelton and before, I would guess would struggle. The Merom (based on Core 2) is the only one I could see as having a chance with MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) in HDTV, and even that surprises me.

[16:25:29]

gbee:

Rend: without gdb?

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Rend:

yeah, as a you would normally run mythtv

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Como|Lappy:

ok, apparently thats a udev rule, but this howto neglects to mention what to do with it

[16:27:03]

juski:

how are you supposed to get a backtrace if you're not running it under gdb ?!

[16:27:24]

Rend:

what i mean is will i have to recompile it without debug before i can use it.

[16:27:26]

sphery:

Rend: For the most part compiling with debug just means the linker doesn't strip out debugging info, so the binaries are a bit larger (there's a bit more to it for Myth, but in the end, that's about it)

[16:27:34]

Rend:

ok thx

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gbee:

Rend: no, compiling with debug just means the executables include information (symbol info) which means the results produced by gdb are much more useful

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gbee:

Rend: you can use it normally when it's been compiled with debug

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sphery:

I do

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anykey_:

sphery: let me have a look

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gbee:

the only real difference is that the compiled files will be a little larger because the symbol information hasn't been stripped out

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Rend:

thats no problem

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anykey_:

sphery: http://www.pastebin.ca/459638

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anykey_:

sphery: that should help you

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gbee:

hmm, didn't spot sphery's reply

[16:30:25]

juski:

I give up. been hunting this cable down all day yet all i can find is STUPID poncy EL wire cables & shite

[16:30:35]

Como|Lappy:

what am i supposed to do with this silly udev rule

[16:31:40]

Rend:

/etc/udev/rules/

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Rend:

i think

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Rend:

you have to create a rules file in there.

[16:31:55]

gbee:

juski: I probably won't have a clue what you're talking about, but what cable are you after?

[16:33:27]

GhostFreeman:

juski: http://loliserv.org/~ghostfreeman/mythtvmock/img/sitemockup2.png

[16:33:29]

juski:

gbee: a chassis mountable esata socket on one end, regular 'L' shaped sata plug on t'other. half a metre long

[16:33:40]

Como|Lappy:

hm. Theres a udev.rules file in /etc/udev/rules.d/udev.rules

[16:33:44]

Como|Lappy:

its like 18 pages long

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Rend:

Whats does the mythbackend actually do?

[16:33:51]

anykey_:

GhostFreeman: awesome :D

[16:34:05]

GhostFreeman:

it is

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Rend:

Como|Lappy, http://gentoo-wiki.com/UDEV

[16:34:20]

juski:

so wtf did I toil & toil over my original mockup for?

[16:34:58]

anykey_:

heh

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planktonboy:

thanks for the help guys...understood a bit more and the HDTV is working it seems good enough for now anyway, so I'll look into it more another day

[16:35:25]

planktonboy:

still dont fully understand it, but its a start :)

[16:35:33]

GhostFreeman:

when's xris going to be in

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juski:

when he's in

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sphery:

anykey_: That's definitely a Dothan-based Pentium-M-class (family 6, model 13). I know that Pentium-M is a good proc compared to P4. Core is basically Pentium M. Core 2 is completely new, different, and the best x86 proc available today.

[16:35:52]

anykey_:

sphery: I know..

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gbee:

juski: something like this: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php . . . p;subcat=196

[16:36:07]

gbee:

?

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sphery:

anykey_: I'm stunned that you can do H.264 decoding in software on Linux with that proc...

[16:36:30]

juski:

gbee: kind of

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Como|Lappy:

what the hell? why would i need something designed to keep a removable device in place for a tuner card

[16:36:46]

planktonboy:

cheers sphery, fryfrog, directhex and juski :)

[16:36:50]

anykey_:

sphery: remember that it's only 720p... I can give you exact file information in a private chat, if you want

[16:37:01]

gbee:

that particular one allows 3.5 drive mounting and also pci backplate

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juski:

gbee: this is exactly what I need, but they're lying about it being in stock: http://www.span.com/catalog/product_info.php? . . . 02338fb94724

[16:37:50]

sphery:

anykey_: it's not that big a deal. I guess that ffmpeg has gotten much more efficient with the H.264 decoding recently...

[16:38:05]

anykey_:

sphery: it's a build from january that i'm using

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juski:

sphery: it's only gonna improve too :)

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anykey_:

sphery: compiled with sse2 support, if that makes a difference with h.264

[16:39:10]

sphery:

Yeah. Guess with H.264 coming online in UK (and elsewhere?) there's a lot more reason to focus on it.

[16:39:27]

juski:

anyway, I think there are way too many colours going on in that new site mockup GhostFreeman

[16:39:37]

** sphery hasn't paid a lot of attention since he's in the US... **

[16:39:44]

GhostFreeman:

what with the greys and blues?

[16:39:58]

GhostFreeman:

and that tacky orange "hover" tab?

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juski:

way too much variation

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anykey_:

GhostFreeman: i'd make the bottom area blueish too...

[16:40:19]

GhostFreeman:

what if I switched the orange tab to lighter blues?

[16:40:35]

juski:

I've got an idea though. it's not my project anymore so I'll STFU & you don't need consult me :)

[16:40:45]

GhostFreeman:

bullshit

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GhostFreeman:

I enjoy your input. i'm like zsh

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gbee:

juski: Maplin do a 0.3m one

[16:42:08]

gbee:

but you've probably already looked there

[16:42:09]

juski:

gbee: yeah I know. loads do 0.3m. I need 0.5m minimum. I'm gonna give up & hope we can get some made in time

[16:42:36]

juski:

then I'm gonna kill all of marketing who decided to make this stupid product

[16:43:16]

modorf:

a5benwillis, to continue with your comment earlier about not ordering tv with your cable service, you might just want to plug at tv in and see what you get

[16:43:48]

GhostFreeman:

I can't wait to turn this thing into a functional webpage. yay.

[16:43:52]

modorf:

I order Earthlink over Comcast, no TV package and get basic analog and digital cable.

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juski:

we got _two_ samples of the exact cable from the Far East a few weeks ago. that was enough for the anticipated numbers. But oh no, we should've second guessed marketing & gone with ordering 100 to be on the safe side

[16:44:39]

gbee:

http://www.cablecity.co.uk/product_info.php?c . . . ducts_id=856

[16:44:41]

gbee:

almost

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juski:

lead time of 6 weeks. if we'd known then we'd have them by now, but as things stand we're not gonna make it :)

[16:45:07]

gbee:

:)

[16:45:18]

juski:

that's my plan B

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gbee:

I'll stop looking because you probably know what's out there and where, better than I do

[16:46:12]

juski:

I think I'll pick up a bottle of wine on the way home

[16:46:26]

juski:

been one of those days

[16:46:29]

Como|Lappy:

pick me up something stiff, eh?

[16:46:29]

GhostFreeman:

the only thing you can do now

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gbee:

http://www.cable-trader.co.uk/item.php?iid=360

[16:46:56]

gbee:

not clear about that one

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juski:

that and start looking for another job again :)

[16:47:04]

** gbee is really stopping now **

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juski:

gbee: plan C :)

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Como|Lappy:

how the heck did i get ivtv working, its not working anymore >_<

[16:47:23]

juski:

I'm all googled out

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juski:

thanks to the inter-tube thingies, we can now _almost_ succeed rather than just have to give up ;)

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Rend:

Having some trouble getting the frontend to talk to the backend. Mysql is setup ok, and the backend is running. I get an error saying it cant connect to frontend tho :(.

[16:48:45]

GhostFreeman:

they're trucks. not tubes

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juski:

GhostFreeman: do I set that up in firefox?!

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juski:

:-P

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Como|Lappy:

the inter-trucks cannot help you now

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juski:

on a lighter note I've ordered more GU140X16G-7806A than we need :)

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Merlin83b2:

That is a light note ;-)

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Merlin83b2:

What's a GU140X16G-7806A?

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Como|Lappy:

sounds familiar....

[16:50:19]

juski:

20x2 pixel addressable VFD

[16:50:20]

Como|Lappy:

media?

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Merlin83b2:

Oh.

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Merlin83b2:

Give me one :)

[16:50:43]

Merlin83b2:

Nah, I don't meed more things to play with, come to think of it.

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juski:

lol

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gbee:

Rend: try http://localhost:6544/ in your browser (swapping localhost for the ip/hostname of the backend machine)

[16:51:00]

Como|Lappy:

i do!

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Como|Lappy:

and more time

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Como|Lappy:

to play with them

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Merlin83b2:

I need a bigger plate to fit all the things I've got on and want to do!

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Rend:

gbee get nothing.

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** juski wonders if him looking at job sites at work will give anybody hints **

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gbee:

Rend: then the backend isn't starting properly

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gbee:

what about 'netstat -atunp' on the backend

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Rend:

nothing there. If i run mythbackend it says. Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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juski:

that's not a problem

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Rend:

and it also complains that i have no video capture card specified. Which is ok as i dont have one, or want to use one.

[16:55:48]

juski:

k

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Rend:

then about /mnt/store lockfile. But again thats for recordings and i wont use this.

[16:56:30]

juski:

yeah but some of these things make it give up

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Rend:

yes that did indeed.

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juski:

there's stuff in the wiki about making mythtv run without any tuners

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gbee:

Rend: give it a storage directory anyway, doesn't matter if it will never be used

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Rend:

yeah, it starts from cmdline now. Still doest seem to work from the init script.

[16:59:48]

Rend:

I get the same problem however when i go options > video manager. It reads my hdd for a while then just sits and does nothing.

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juski:

maybe the dir you have it set to use doesn't exist ?

[17:00:43]

juski:

or the permissions are wrong...

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Rend:

its my home folder

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Rend:

ill try another folder.

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Rend:

Ok that seems to have sorted it. I have several folders containing media. Is there a way to tell mythtv to look in multiple locations for media?

[17:04:28]

juski:

symbolic links

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Amuzed:

if i install mythtv in my xbox and attach a supported USB tuner is it possible to capture on the xbox?

[17:04:47]

juski:

Amuzed: yes, but you wouldn't enjoy it much

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fryfrog:

Amuzed: i doubt it'd even be worth trying

[17:05:07]

Amuzed:

to slow?

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fryfrog:

yeah :/

[17:05:14]

juski:

just the frontend is bad enough in it's puny 32MB RAM

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Amuzed:

aight

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Amuzed:

minimal 512??

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juski:

I'd say so

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fryfrog:

for a be?

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fryfrog:

or be/fe?

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juski:

for a pleasant experience

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juski:

for a SDTV frontend you can get away with as little as 128MB RAM, but I'd not recommend it

[17:06:12]

Amuzed:

is there allways a server needed to run mythtv??

[17:06:20]

juski:

for a backend, at least 256MB

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fryfrog:

if you are building from spare parts and *only* have 128/256, you could probably skrimp by

[17:06:37]

juski:

Amuzed: the backend needs to run – the backend is what does recording & scheduling, so YEWS

[17:06:41]

fryfrog:

Amuzed: there is always a *daemon* needed

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juski:

Yes, even ;)

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** juski burns the docs since folks aren't reading em today **

[17:07:05]

Amuzed:

aaah to bad

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fryfrog:

why to bad?

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fryfrog:

the deamon process is a wimp

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Amuzed:

kinda hoping i could turn my old p3 500 into a media center :/

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fryfrog:

ah

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juski:

roflmao

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fryfrog:

yeah, that'd be on the low side for playback

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Amuzed:

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