Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, April 25th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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xris:

madfactor: the error should only be within the last couple of pages

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madfactor:

Let me see if I can find it.

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Tanthrix:

Well, the thing is so damned hard to read I think that I could read the whole thing then not have any clue as to what it actually means

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Tanthrix:

The full section reads: Commercial Audiovisual Content delivered as Unencrypted

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Tanthrix:

Broadcast Television shall not be Encoded so as to prevent or limit

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Tanthrix:

copying thereof by Covered Products or, to constrain the resolution of

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Tanthrix:

the image when output from a Covered Product.

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Tanthrix:

But, that doesn't exactly say that they are required to provide OTA HD, just if they do, they can't down sample it

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Tanthrix:

I would like to get someone (maybe from the FCC) to parse this document and give the bottom line about what it means with regards to the 1394 interface, and what is provided through that interface

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xris:

Tanthrix: the 480p stuff I remember may have been related to the broadcast flag stuff. dunno

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Tanthrix:

It's all a load of bollocks, that's for sure.

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Tanthrix:

In any case, I don't feel like I can write an angry letter to Comcast or file an FCC complaint unless I actually know what Comcast should be providing by law

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Tanthrix:

(With regards to my encrypted OTA channels)

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madfactor:

how much QAM content do see as unencrypted, just curious.

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Tanthrix:

madfactor: I seem to get a good chunk of my digital cables. I haven't gone through them all since it's so slow to channel change and buggy, but I've yet to find a 0–70 channel that is encrypted

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Tanthrix:

digital cable channels*

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madfactor:

most areas are analog/digital hybrid.

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madfactor:

And 0–100 are sometimes analog channels to begin with.

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madfactor:

I was just curious if in your area you were able to decode ANY digital channels.

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Tanthrix:

madfactor: My cable box doesn't have an analog tuner, and even if it did, I don't think it would output them through firewire

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Tanthrix:

In any case, I also get all of my HD channels with the exception of NBC and PBS

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hound:

you don't get PBS??

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hound:

that's the only channel I do get :-)

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madfactor:

can you plug a tv directly to the cable line and tune your 0–70 channels?

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hound:

I can, to get analog.

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Tanthrix:

madfactor: Yes, I do have both analog and digital.

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Tanthrix:

madfactor: Though my Aquos's QAM tuner doesn't seem to work well with most of the digital channels, even though they are unencrypted

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madfactor:

interesting.

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madfactor:

I was just curious.

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hound:

Tanthrix, did you get xvmc working? I'm struggling with that myself at the moment without much success.

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Tanthrix:

(I also haven't found any 100+ channels that don't work over firewire yet, with the exception of the two HD ones I mentioned)

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Tanthrix:

hound: No, unfortunately. I think I just need to upgrade my distro – I'm running Mandrake 2005

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xris:

Tanthrix: how is it that pbs doesn't work? do any of your pbs channels work? I have like 4 subchannels.

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Tanthrix:

xris: My HD pbs channel (710) is encrypted.

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xris:

weird

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Tanthrix:

My Aquos can pick it up, though

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Tanthrix:

So I'm not quite sure what that means

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kormoc:

but your Aquos can't decrypt a encrypted signal...

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xris:

Tanthrix: it means there's some config wrong somewhere.

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Tanthrix:

Well, on the diagnostics page on the cable box it states that it's encrypted

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Tanthrix:

And I've tried capturing from it in both linux and windows, and neither worked for PBS or NBC

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hound:

or maybe a config on the cable tv side, PBS shouldn't be encrypted in any circumstance. someone probably made a mistake and just hasn't realized

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Tanthrix:

Aye

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Tanthrix:

Though I wouldn't know who to report that to – Comcast tech support wouldn't even know what firewire was

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Tanthrix:

Let alone channel encryption

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hound:

:-) I think they would. Few times I've talked to them they've seemed knowledgeable.

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xris:

Tanthrix: if the tv can decode it, it sounds more like a weird bug/misconfiguration in the pci card's driver

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Tanthrix:

xris: But the cable box says that it's encrypted....and I tried capturing from two separate computers....

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xris:

Tanthrix: two separate computers does not mean that there isn't a misconfiguration/bug.

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xris:

if the tv can view the channel, and you don't have cablecard, then it's not a problem from comcast.

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Tanthrix:

xris: So how do you explain the cable box specifically stating that the channel is encrypted?

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Tanthrix:

(Via the diagnostics menu)

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xris:

Tanthrix: how do you explain the tv displaying the channel?

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Tanthrix:

My hunch is that it's two separate channels

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xris:

maybe the channel is *flagged* as encrypted, but isn't actually?

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xris:

no clue

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Tanthrix:

The TV tunes regular analog PBS as 10, then HD PBS as 10.1

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Tanthrix:

Where as on the cable box PBS HD is 710

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xris:

Tanthrix: 700 range channels are usually digital SD

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Tanthrix:

Might just be the TV automatically remapping 710 to 10.1, or it's two separate transmissions

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xris:

HD stuff is usually in the 100 range

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xris:

at least, with comcast in seattle...

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Tanthrix:

xris: I know which of my channels are HD.

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Tanthrix:

So Seattle != rest of the world

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hound:

I assume the digital cable reciever does the 5C decryption like it does for all the channels. just because the TV displays it doesn't mean it's not encrypteD?

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xris:

hound: the tv can't decrypt 5c

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xris:

Tanthrix: dunno what to say.

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Tanthrix:

Well, the TV can't decrypt an encrypted channel if it's truely encrypted, but you do have a point – the encryption might be handled after the fact by the cable box

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** kormoc blinks **

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xris:

Tanthrix: is the tv plugged into the wall, or into the cable box?

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Tanthrix:

The wall. The cablebox's RF pass through is disabled

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madfactor:

xris: damn... qdom.h starts the error

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xris:

madfactor: sounds like you're missing qt-devel or some subset thereov

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xris:

thereof

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Tanthrix:

(And in reference to my previous comment, I don't think encryption is done after the fact, unless 5C is encryption specific to firewire stuff, not general QAM)

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madfactor:

I have qt3-devel installed

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xris:

Tanthrix: encryption happens at the source of the transmission. the firewire stuff just passes the raw signal to the player...

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xris:

so you either get tv, or you get an encrypted stream.

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madfactor:

I have the file in my /usr/lib/include/Qt/qdom.h and /usr/lib/qt3/include/qdom.h

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xris:

madfactor: make distclean ?

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xris:

wipe ccache cachedir?

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madfactor:

Yeah....

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madfactor:

wipe ccache cachedir?

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Tanthrix:

xris: Well, I realize that some encryption happens at the source, but is that encryption what 5C is?

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madfactor:

I dunno what that is.

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, yes

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xris:

Tanthrix: 5c just refers to the encryption scheme... it could just as easily be css or hdcp or whatever.

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xris:

madfactor: if you're compiling a lot of things, install ccache to speed up recompiles.

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Tanthrix:

Hrm.

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, let's look at it this way, a signal can only be encrypted or not encrypted, correct?

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xris:

if you don't know what it is, or want to avoid chances of confusing stuff, you might want to avoid it, though.

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Tanthrix:

.....

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: I was suggestiong that firewire output had a separate encryption from regular encrypted QAM stuff, such that a channel could be transmitted in the clear, but then set to be encrypted when outputted via firewire

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Tanthrix:

But that, as you both say, is not the case

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, currently there is nothing that does that. it's far easier to not allow output then to encrypt there, yet alone the security issues of having the private key on a device that the public can access

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kormoc:

cause if joe-smoe gets that private key, they get all the content, and the cable-co can't do anything bout it

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Tanthrix:

Aye – it was just a quick hypothesis of mine about why PBS might not be working via firewire but does work through the TV

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kormoc:

it's more likely that yes, it's flagged as encrypted and it's actually not and thus the cable box refuses to pass it though

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madfactor:

xris: I don't have ccache installed I don't guess... but I do that the qt header files it needs... wonder why it doesn't see em?

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: That makes more sense than my other thought (Can't imagine they would have two separate transmissions of the same channel)

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Tanthrix:

kormoc/xris: With digital cable, are all channel streams broadcast simultaneously, all the time? Or does changing to, we'll say channel 10, contact the station which then specifically sends the channel 10 stream

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madfactor:

how can I add QT include dirs, just add to $PATH or user --libdir-name on ./configure?

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Tanthrix:

As far as I know it's the former

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Tanthrix:

But I just can't get my head around how much data they can back into one coax cable should that be the case

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, standard channels (non-ondemand ones) are streaming all the time I believe

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Tanthrix:

That must add up to at least 200 mbps at any given time! If they an do that, why don't I have a 100mbps net connection? ;)

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Zider:

because I stole all of your mbits!

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** Tanthrix has Zider killed immediately for Crimes Against The Internet **

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kormoc:

cause bandwidth between the cable co and you is cheap, from the cable co to the world is not

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Zider:

Tanthrix: sorry, I have diplomatic immunity

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Tanthrix:

Well, I know that, but I swear I've heard them complaining about how hard it is to get DOCIS up past like 20mbps or something

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madfactor:

xris: how can I get the makefile in mythtv to see my include dirs?

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, having it unidirectional also helps a lot

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Tanthrix:

Hrm, that does make sense

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, and each freq is only a few mbit/sec, so it's a lot when it's aggergated but individually it's not much

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Tanthrix:

Well, you'd think it would be simply enough to develope a MIMO kind of deal to get internet working across multiple frequencies

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xris:

madfactor: configure/qmake should do all of that automatically

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madfactor:

qmake?

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madfactor:

Ohhhh.... NM.

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madfactor:

The configure script isn't seeing my QT headers.

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madfactor:

They are there.

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madfactor:

my package install did install the libqt4 packages... I should remove those... shouldn't I?

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xris:

probably

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xris:

they might be detected first, and mythtv doesn't work with qt4

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madfactor:

*** No rule to make target `/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.

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Tanthrix:

Quick poll! What distro should I upgrade to? (Takes me half an hour to buy a pair of socks, I'll never get this figured out without some help)

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** nero is liking Ubuntu Feisty.. **

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Tanthrix:

Ubutnu is towards the top of my list

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Tanthrix:

Though a friend of mine suggested Arch Linux, since he knows I don't like fluff

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Tanthrix:

(Not that ubuntu is bloated, just that Arch linux is one of the more streamlined of the distros)

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kormoc:

personally, anything that's not Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, or Suse

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madfactor:

suse is causing me problems with mythtv

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: Because of bloat, or the package system?

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kormoc:

both

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Tanthrix:

What do use instead of any of those?

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kormoc:

I use Gentoo

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Tanthrix:

Yah, I know I want to stay away from that ;)

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Tanthrix:

Though, it does appeal to my compulsive nature...

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Tanthrix:

Anyone here running Arch linux?

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madfactor:

xris: I think that might have fixed it.

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xris:

madfactor: cool

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Perdignus:

Hello I've got MythWeb running using apache-ssl but can't get anything but a directory listing on the same server using apache2, any ideas?

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Spicerun:

Whats the best Intel chipset to run mythtv on?

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cecil:

Perdignus: perhaps php isn't compiled into apache or your apache configuration isn't configured to allow php

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Perdignus:

oh crap, I figured it out, someone slap me, I didn't edit mythweb.conf correctly, sorry

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efrancolaporte:

hi anyone here?

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hound:

yesm

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efrancolaporte:

im trying to use MythTV but I dont have a clue how to use it

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efrancolaporte:

when i installed it it says it needs to connect to a MySQL server with a login & password or something, wtf?

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efrancolaporte:

I just watch to use my TV Tuner on linux

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hound:

you have a little ways to go. which distro do you use?

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efrancolaporte:

ubuntu 7.04

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efrancolaporte:

i tried using TVTime but it doesn't work I just get snow

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efrancolaporte:

obv it works in windows :)

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Tanthrix:

efrancolaporte: If you just want to watch TV, not record / etc.. then myth is way overkill for your needs

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efrancolaporte:

well i dont know which program i should use

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hound:

afaik, they include mythtv in their package repository. aptitude install mythtv if that's not what you are doing. (or search out the appropriate package name) and check out /usr/share/doc/mythtv/README.Debian see what instructions it gives. Also check out: http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall

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ontiK:

efrancolaporte ->> This is where I started, I am working through this install myself right now https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty

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ontiK:

and I have been using linux/Kubuntu for a week

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efrancolaporte:

thanks brb

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** Tanthrix thinks Arch Linux is scary after using Mandrake for years.. **

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jojo12:

i have mythtv installed on ubuntu feisty fawn can someone tell me how to stop and restart backend

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fysa:

check /etc/init.d/rc.d

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jojo12:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop

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jojo12:

worked

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Tanthrix:

Well, I think I'm going to chicken out and go with Xubuntu.

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jojo12:

how to reenter setup menu in ubuntu-myth

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ontiK:

Anyone in here setup Myth in Australia?

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ontiK:

I can't set up a video source and make it stick which then means I can't setup an input connection. Grrrr.....

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efrancolaporte:

hey is there anything simpler than myth tv all this Front-end / Back-end distro version stuff is already confusing to me

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opello:

vcr?

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kormoc:

efrancolaporte, there's plenty of windows based PVR's out there

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efrancolaporte:

yes and i have WIndows, but anything for linux? :-P

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kormoc:

tvtime is considered the best just for watching tv, followed by xawtv

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efrancolaporte:

i mean how could a pvr be non-gui based?

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** kormoc blinks **

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efrancolaporte:

well tvtime just gives me random snow

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kormoc:

what do you mean?

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efrancolaporte:

i get no image

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kormoc:

you'll need tvtime working before myth or friends will work anyway

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opello:

some crazy at/cron combo could probably do it

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efrancolaporte:

well can you tell me how I can get tvtime working because I honestly don't know

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kormoc:

depends on your tv tuner and drivers you picked and all that jazz

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efrancolaporte:

all I can see to adjust image source is changing from composite 1 to 4, but composite 1 gives me random snow, and 2, 3 & 4 are black

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efrancolaporte:

well I have an ati tv wonder pro

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efrancolaporte:

i dont know about drivers i just installed Ubuntu 7.04 and tvtime

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efrancolaporte:

i didnt dnld any specific package

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kormoc:

it likely didn't detect the proper tuner, and you'll need to muck about with module options if that's the case

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efrancolaporte:

i dont even know how to access module options

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jojo12:

what are the options for running mythtv-setup on ubuntu

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Perdignus:

To secure mythweb, I followed the instructions in the README, uncommented the lines in the mythweb.conf, used htdigest to create /var/www/htdigest, restarted apache2 but I just get this error "configuration error: couldn't check user. No user file?: /mythweb"

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Perdignus:

Oh, my little brain hurts, it was auth_digest

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rokstar:

anyone got a good way to make a 5.1 sound output go through 2 without sounding terrible?

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rokstar:

my creative cards output to my tv doesn't sound as nice as i'd like

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Tanthrix:

Freaking Xubuntu won't install. Supposed to be the easiest linux distro in the world, and the first time I try it I come across an unresolved bug!

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AngryElf:

feisty sucks, use dapper

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Tanthrix:

Isn't dapper the older release?

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opello:

yeah

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Tanthrix:

Is Feisty still really buggy or something then?

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opello:

i don't use ubuntu, but i'd be curious as to why you'd want an older version?

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tcpsyn:

42.00 is a decent price.

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Tanthrix:

Not from a place that pretends the price is 8 then has 42 dollars for shipping...

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t0ny-p40:

I'm looking at their ratings and they suck.

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tcpsyn:

in one.

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tcpsyn:

it's got a built in splitter.

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opello:

i like my pvr-500

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t0ny-p40:

bah, I got $200 for graduation but I dont want to spend it.

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t0ny-p40:

Some many different things I want.

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t0ny-p40:

Something else taking up cputime?

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ryty:

nope

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ryty:

mythtvfrontend and mythtv-backend is it

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t0ny-p40:

I've have it do that time to time. sometimes restarting myfrontend fixes it.

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ryty:

t0ny-p40: this happens repeatedly, even with a 98% signal strength...strange

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Tanthrix:

Alright, it looks like there is a work around.

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Tanthrix:

So basically, if you try and install Xubuntu, it auto mounts the parition the installer makes causing it to not be writable, and the installer dies.

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lapland_:

Tanthrix: xubuntu and kubuntu are considered less polished than "real" Ubuntu... teams are different and work and innovations are focus on ubuntu ( aka gnome ), unfortunately

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lapland_:

... but i have no problem at all with kubuntu feisty fawn ( KDE )

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Tanthrix:

That's a shame.

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lapland_:

Tanthrix: not really, if you want a good distro and more polished in ubuntu's family, try ubuntu itself or kubuntu

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lapland_:

xubuntu is not really ready for work in a daily basis... maybe and surely, xubuntu will improve over time :) ( excuse me for my english )

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lapland_:

bye bye everyone, i must go to sleep :D

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lapland_:

Ciao

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vegeat:

Hey, when i record i set the auto transcode option but it does not auto transcode?

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defaultro:

evening everyone. I missed the topic at Fox channel here in Chicago. All I heard was that there will be competition in cable tv. What does that mean?

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defaultro:

and also folks, is superfta good or is it crap?

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dscoular:

anyone having DVB-T tuning issues with 0.20-fixes 13313 and linux 2.6.20 ?

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defaultro:

no one is alive right now, :)

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defaultro:

looks like they're in european time

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dscoular:

ah... ok... was hoping some antipodean cousins might respond

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

i'm glad that mythtv is still alive. Last time i logged in here was like 3 months ago. I saw a news somewhere that mythtv died

[05:25:39]

defaultro:

they were talking about cable tv cards

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dscoular:

your dreaming... myth has too big a user base to die

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defaultro:

:P

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dscoular:

there are even forks of the code base now

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defaultro:

I am not dreaming, I said, I saw a news

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defaultro:

maybe, those are the envious ones

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dscoular:

defaultro, sorry just using a turn of phrase common down here

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defaultro:

so what forks where you talking?

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dscoular:

linuxMCE

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

i've seen that before

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hads:

That's not a fork, just a distribution.

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defaultro:

it looks ok

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defaultro:

problem with cable tv cars is that those b.s. vendors are authenticating the pc where it needs to be installed

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defaultro:

cards

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dscoular:

Well, if it's not a fork they seem to have done a hell of a lot if it's just done through theming

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defaultro:

dscoular, I think it uses pluto

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defaultro:

i couldn't remember since the last time i saw it was 5 months ago

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MaverickTech:

dscoular: I use DVB-T in .au – what are your issues ?

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dscoular:

Since I synched up to SVN 13313 0.20-fixes I don't get signal lock on most channels.

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dscoular:

Tuning was fine prior to that on an svn about two weeks previous

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MaverickTech:

I am using the SVN trunk (as of yesterday) and am having no issues

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MrTilly:

hello all!

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dscoular:

I wasn't aware that trunk was stable enough yet for general use and wife approval ;^)

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MaverickTech:

dscoular: mind you I am completely down at the moment, as my myth box is 1/2 way through an upgrade to Ubuntu/Feisty

[05:31:20]

defaultro:

I'm happy that my mythtv has been error-free for almost 6 months now. No updates. :)

[05:31:58]

MaverickTech:

I have no wife / mythtv-trunk incompatabilities at the moment

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dscoular:

yeah... it was insanity to upgrade... I was just hoping an svn release of the stable fixes branch would stop the freezes when a program ends on live tv

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defaultro:

for 2 yrs and 4 months, I only had issues the first 2 months :P

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MaverickTech:

I actually switched to trunk to fix some incompatabilties

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dscoular:

I guess I'll have to suss out how to revert

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MrTilly:

with kinda blotchy color and such

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dscoular:

luckily I backed up the db

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MaverickTech:

MrTilly: what is your distro/gfx – general config

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dscoular:

I just cannot remember the last SVN number I had that was working

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defaultro:

MrTilly, my recordings are phenomenal :)

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MaverickTech:

dscoular: I have found the trunk to be stable now for last 2–3 months

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MrTilly:

debian 4, geforce2 – proprietary nvidia driver

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defaultro:

me too

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dscoular:

hmm... maybe it's time to take the plunge to trunk

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MaverickTech:

I keep an eye on the svn mailing list to make sure I don't install bad stuff

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defaultro:

FC6, gt6600 and nvidia

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MrTilly:

actually, cancel on debian 4, i forgot i upgraded to sid/lenny last night

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dscoular:

gentoo, Nova-T, Aver a800 USB, MX440

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MrTilly:

dscoular, you having trouble with your mv440?

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MrTilly:

thats why i'm using

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defaultro:

i had a website before about my mythtv log, unfortunately, my website went down

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dscoular:

no it's perfect for SD

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MrTilly:

well, ya know, the menus and such for myth look great, but live tv is kinda blurry

[05:35:49]

MrTilly:

SD?

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dscoular:

Standard Definition

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MrTilly:

ah, gotcha

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dscoular:

as opposed to High Definition

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MrTilly:

i kinda have like interference

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dscoular:

Picture is very sharp

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MrTilly:

yea, i dont think i can blame the mx440, the menu's and such look great

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MrTilly:

what resolution are you using?

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dscoular:

800x600

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defaultro:

am on HD :) at 1920x1080

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dscoular:

I had to revert from the latest NVIDIA driver for the MX440 as it was showing a lot of interlace tearing

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MrTilly:

maybe i should look at that more, i've been using 640x480, my tv draws 800x600 really narrow

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MrTilly:

i think i need to adjust it somehow

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dscoular:

640x480 should be fine

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dscoular:

what driver version ?

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defaultro:

am happy that "Archive.Org" has kept my website but a little outdated but that was the last webpage too :P http://web.archive.org/web/20060518015008/htt . . . .dyndns.org/

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dscoular:

NVIDIA that is

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MrTilly:

NVIDIA-Linux-x86–1.0–9631

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defaultro:

MrTilly, I'm going to look at my version too. I forgot anymore since my machine has always been so stable

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MrTilly:

ah, i cant complain much with the videocard

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MrTilly:

i think its the ivtv or somethign

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defaultro:

yep, nvidia's are really good

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dscoular:

9631 is the one with bad interlace handling I reckon... I reverted

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defaultro:

I'm at 1.0–9746

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MrTilly:

i'm not having any interlacing problems

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MrTilly:

well, wait, were you having myth deinterlace?

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MrTilly:

beacuse i dont think i am

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dscoular:

MrTilly, sorry that's all I could think of

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MaverickTech:

I had nighmare problems with ATI

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dscoular:

no I'm letting the NVIDIA handle everything

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MaverickTech:

psycho colours, under/over-scan

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MaverickTech:

changed to nVidia, not had an issue since

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defaultro:

MrTilly, what about vsync or vbsync

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defaultro:

is it unchecked?

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MrTilly:

what is vbsync?

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defaultro:

in nvidia-settings

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defaultro:

i forgot what it is

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defaultro:

vblank

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defaultro:

something like that

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MrTilly:

i dont remember, can i set that in my X11 conf?

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defaultro:

variable

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defaultro:

it's VBLANK

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defaultro:

just run nvidia-settings

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defaultro:

and uncheck it

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defaultro:

also, try to run this in console

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defaultro:

set|grep GL

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defaultro:

see if those GL env variables have values

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defaultro:

one of which is __GL_SYNC_DISPLAY_DEVICE

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defaultro:

what is your Xorg resolution?

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MrTilly:

640

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

ouch

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defaultro:

i think, that's too small and you will not get a good quality viewing

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defaultro:

at least 800x600 or 1024x768

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MrTilly:

you're most likely right

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defaultro:

because pixels are wider in 640

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defaultro:

what modeo of video card?

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defaultro:

model

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MrTilly:

geforce2mx4400 i belive

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defaultro:

what output are you using?

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defaultro:

physical interface

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MrTilly:

i get my nvidia model numbers mixed up

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MrTilly:

its a geforce2

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MrTilly:

svideo

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

I don't know what svideo can support

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defaultro:

i think it should support 1280x720 too

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MrTilly:

when i plug my powerbook into the same tv with svideo it looks alot better at 800

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defaultro:

oops

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defaultro:

720x480 instead like DVDs

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MrTilly:

oh, yea, i'll try that too

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defaultro:

what is your tv, 4:3 or 16:9

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MrTilly:

my problem is that i have a margin on the left and right at 800x600

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MrTilly:

its 4:3 and shitty

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MrTilly:

tv needs to be replaced

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defaultro:

it's ok at least you get to play with myth

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MrTilly:

X doesnt draw all the way to both sides horizontally

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defaultro:

ok

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xris:

MrTilly: your only chance is if your video card drivers support overscan

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defaultro:

I can't visualize so I don't know

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xris:

which is pretty much just nvidia

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MrTilly:

i know the nvidia driver i'm using does, but not for my card

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defaultro:

good evening xris, long time no see :)

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defaultro:

been so much stuck in the office

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MrTilly:

i have a geforce4 around somewhere that should let me overscan

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dscoular:

so is there a concensus that moving to trunk rather than 0.20-fixes svn is better for DVB-T users ?

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xris:

defaultro: :)

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xris:

likewise

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defaultro:

we're transferring tons of mssql, oracle servers from one state to another state :(

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defaultro:

they forgot to renew the lease

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hads:

Tip: nvidia-settings will let you adjust the overscan more than the setting in xorg.conf

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MrTilly:

oh, nice! thanks hads

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MaverickTech:

dscoular: can only speak for my experience, but I am 100% happy with trunk

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MaverickTech:

all hail the devs for keeping svn neat an tidy :D

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defaultro:

anyone here from chicago?

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dscoular:

boo hiss on letting 0.20-fixes degrade :D

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MaverickTech:

I've seen the stage show, does that count ?

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Neeesat25:

good morning

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Neeesat25:

I am reying to setup mythweb and after some time playing around with settings I have manage to set the security authentication on the apache server. When I try to login I get white screen. The logs says "PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function backend_command() in /var/www/html/mythweb/includes/utils.php on line 60

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Neeesat25:

reying = trying

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xris:

defaultro: ouch

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xris:

Neeesat25: using svn?

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Neeesat25:

yes

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Neeesat25:

I am using mythplugins version 13310

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MaverickTech:

MrTilly: I am running nVidia GeForce 6200 – 800x600 – 60hz via sVideo with no issues at all

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hads:

Is that trunk?

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Neeesat25:

got it from svn

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hads:

Yes, but is it trunk?

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Tanthrix:

Well, mplayer with XvMC compiled just fine in Xubuntu, everything looked good in mplayer's output while doing XvMC, but CPU usage was about 20–30 percent higher than without XvMC

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xris:

Neeesat25: some people have been getting that error. I'm not sure what causes it, and I can't fix it until I know why it's happening

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Neeesat25:

hmm

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hads:

Seems odd like a file's not getting included or something.

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Neeesat25:

xris: do you use svn too?

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xris:

ahh, I think I see

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xris:

Neeesat25: kind of have to when you're the developer of the program

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Neeesat25:

you are the developer?

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xris:

yeah

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** MaverickTech is about 40 mins for giving it all a swing in feisty :) **

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MaverickTech:

hoping to have a better time with lirc now

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hads:

MaverickTech: Working well for me

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Tanthrix:

Why does XvMC hate me so?

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Neeesat25:

Oh you are the man to help then

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Neeesat25:

hehe

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Neeesat25:

didn't now

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MaverickTech:

xris: is soft padding (or similar capabilities) going to be in the trunk at any stage ?

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Neeesat25:

I never used it but It looks cool from screenshots

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xris:

MaverickTech: beats me. I don't touch any of that stuff. :)

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MaverickTech:

haha

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MaverickTech:

ok

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xris:

Neeesat25: hang on a sec

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Neeesat25:

ok

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Tanthrix:

I refuse to just accept that XvMC doesn't work for some people

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** Tanthrix runs off into the woods mumbling odd things **

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hads:

Doesn't work for me :)

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xris:

Tanthrix: doesn't work for me. I get much better performance with it disabled.

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xris:

Neeesat25: svn up and your problem should hopefully go away.

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Tanthrix:

That just doesn't make any sense.

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MaverickTech:

I get better performance WITH it enabled

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MaverickTech:

go figure

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Neeesat25:

you mean to get newest version of mythplugins?

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xris:

Tanthrix: never said it did... but that's how it works.

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xris:

Neeesat25: or just mythweb.

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xris:

or frankly, just includes/utils.php

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Tanthrix:

I had it working once before on a different system, and it was so magical that now not having it is driving me crazy.

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Tanthrix:

Went from 50–60 percent usage down to 15–20. Magic!

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Neeesat25:

xris can you post the link please for the latest svn version of mythweb?

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hads:

`svn up`

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Tanthrix:

xris: Do you have any guesses about why XvMC is so finicky? IE, is it specific to different systems, or different cards, etc...

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Neeesat25:

in the mythweb dir?

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hads:

Weird hardware issues I think

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xris:

Neeesat25: yes

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Neeesat25:

lets see

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xris:

Tanthrix: no clue. different cards, different xvmc setup in mythtv (vld vs nvidia, true xvmc vs xvmcmcw), could be anything.

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Neeesat25:

cooool it's working

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xris:

:)

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MaverickTech:

Tanthrix: I was under the impression that nVidia had good support in their proprietry drivers for XvMC, and I am using said drivers

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Neeesat25:

Thanks man

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Tanthrix:

MaverickTech: Unfortunately, as it seems, that is a mistaken impression.

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MaverickTech:

I will gladly refund you money, on my free advise :P ;)

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Tanthrix:

hehehe

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MaverickTech:

mind you, I am not 100% happy with my video performance, but 99% of the stuff I want working is working, so I have not tinkered too much further

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Tanthrix:

Well, I guess it's back to Mandrake for me. My only cause for upgrading was to see if I could get XvMC working

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MaverickTech:

I have some stuttering in HD, but mostly use SD, so not bothered

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hads:

I doubt changing distros will help

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Tanthrix:

hads: I was originally having issues with actually getting mplayer to detect the XvMC libs – mandrake was missing some stuff that I needed, and my old version didn't have what was necessary

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MaverickTech:

my next task is to eliminate frustrating audio sync problems in transcoded DVB

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Tanthrix:

hads: Mandrake 2005LE – getting a bit old now.

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hads:

True

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Tanthrix:

So I just did a quick (ha! – damn bugs) install of Xubuntu – and this time it compiled perfectly

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Tanthrix:

Just doesn't work, heh.

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Tanthrix:

I suppose I'll just have to build myself a new myth box now, since that'll be the only way I'll be able to do HD stuff reliably

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Tanthrix:

Ahh, there's nothing more enjoyable then watching Jon Stewart break through the comedy and nail a guest...just makes me feel good inside...

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dscoular:

Ok, since my DVB-T tuning broke when upgrading to 0.20-fixes 13313 is there away in svn to tell the last version I had before my last "svn update"

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MaverickTech:

what were you using before 0.20-fixes 13313 ?

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MaverickTech:

still 0.20-fixes ?

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MaverickTech:

try 'svn revert' ?

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MaverickTech:

warning : I have not used this option before, but it seems to suggest it will do what you want

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dscoular:

yeah it was some other 0.20-fixes perhaps 2 weeks old

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dscoular:

I'll read up on the svn revert command

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dscoular:

cheers

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xris:

dscoular: svn revert removes local edits from files...

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xris:

I don't think there's a way to see the last version before an update

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hads:

Na, not unless you record it somewhere.

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MaverickTech:

oops :|

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MaverickTech:

thanks for the clarification xris

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xris:

yet another reason why packages are nice...

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hads:

I always do a svn info beforehand

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xris:

I keep a few copies of old svn packages around every time I update, just in case I have to revert

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MaverickTech:

on my Window$ dev I use TortoiseSVN which has some nifty SVN voodoo

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MaverickTech:

I have not bothered to look under the hood to see what it is doing to revert and restore as at point

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hads:

Probably just remembering the revision

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juski:

some forum user is claiming mythtv 0.20.1 will be out on 28.04.07 – is this true or is he talking rubbish?

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directhex|work:

juski, his mate ted must've told him

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juski:

thought as much, seen as I'm a regular here & that's the 1st I'd heard of it

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hads:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.20.1

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juski:

hahaha

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Anduin:

Yeah 0.20.1 is real, just a rename of -fixes though

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juski:

funny but I've not seen anybody here talk about 0.20.1 in ages

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juski:

just as well I didn't yell at the forum user saying "WTF you talkin bout Willis"

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Anduin:

Yeah it was somewhat of a surprise to me as well, it was discussed in #mythtv though.

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Anduin:

I can't wait for people to be confused when 0.21 comes ou

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Anduin:

t

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** directhex|work is delighted by references as obscure as Different Strokes **

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** Anduin has a different definition for obscure **

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juski:

yeah I'd not have called 'Diff'rent Strokes' obscure. it was don't-miss-tv back when I was a kid

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juski:

shows my age some though

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directhex|work:

just a tad

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** xzcvczx wonders if myth will ever make 1.0 if so when :S **

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hads:

When it's ready.

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xzcvczx:

lol

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xzcvczx:

yeah i realised that might be the case

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directhex|work:

the even more scary part is there are actors & actresses in chart-topping movies even younger than me. and that's proper ones, not the child equivalents

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directhex|work:

xzcvczx, it'll come bundled with duke nukem forever

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xzcvczx:

lol

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directhex|work:

i've been making that joke since before debian 3.1 released. :|

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xzcvczx:

can transcode do rm > xvid?

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xzcvczx:

s/>/->

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directhex|work:

which codec? rm's just a container

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xzcvczx:

:S

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xzcvczx:

oh, how do you find out

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directhex|work:

with difficulty. and i don't see it listed in /usr/lib/transcode/

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directhex|work:

mencoder is generally smarter anyway

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xzcvczx:

crap got a long emerge of mplayer to do again :S

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gbee:

xzcvczx: mythtv will probably never be out of beta, that doesn't mean it isn't fully functional or stable but the goals for mythtv shift on an almost daily basis along with the technology and expectations

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xzcvczx:

someones having fun

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tzanger:

ugh

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tzanger:

what was the utility that renames 53252_4151534.531531.mpg to a human-readable name?

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madfactor:

WHat is protocol version 31, .21?

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directhex|work:

0.20.1

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directhex|work:

or 0.20 fixes depending on who you ask

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juski:

tzanger: mythrename.pl

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juski:

tzanger: I dont recommend you run it without reading mythrename.pl --help first

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tzanger:

ok, thanks!

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Merlin83b:

Argh. Anyone remember what it was last time when my recordings were coming out as either zero byte files or missing files? (I haven't checked what's happening in this case)

[11:03:39]

juski:

that waiting for PMT issue?

[11:13:21]

Merlin83b:

I don't recall.

[11:13:41]

Merlin83b:

It's not even making the files at the moment, having just tried a test recording.

[11:16:56]

juski:

can't say I've had many problems recording shows with myth -sept when the bongo backend inexplicably falls over

[11:17:13]

gardengnome:

morning juski

[11:17:57]

Merlin83b:

This has been fine for ages but the system locked up totally the other day (probably not myth's fault) and since reboot it's not recording anything :<

[11:18:38]

juski:

afternoon gardengnome

[11:18:46]

juski:

the new video's up online now

[11:24:05]

juski:

approx 4 mins long, 720p, 20mbit == about 600MB

[11:27:08]

Merlin83b:

Wish I knew what caused that. A reboot has sorted it.

[11:27:50]

juski:

weird

[11:27:58]

juski:

time to go pay some money into the bank (!!!!)

[11:28:15]

madfactor:

why doesn't .20.1 come in the tarball download?

[11:29:00]

madfactor:

NOw all my frontends are protocol 31 and my compile is 30.

[11:29:05]

madfactor:

This just keeps getting better.

[11:30:45]

GreyFoxx:

I don't believe that 0.20.1 has been released yet

[11:31:51]

madfactor:

Hey Grey...

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madfactor:

Does the frontend need all the libraries and stuff?

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GreyFoxx:

which libraries are you referring to ?

[11:33:08]

madfactor:

This upgrade has been the biggest nightmare ever.

[11:33:17]

madfactor:

the myth libs and lame libs.

[11:33:32]

GreyFoxx:

oh... it certainly does

[11:33:38]

dscoular:

With 0.20-fixes 13313 breaking dvb-t tuning as it has for me I reckon any 0.20.1 is a way off

[11:34:28]

GreyFoxx:

no, there already is a 0.20.1 branch

[11:34:39]

GreyFoxx:

and a lot more fixes and stuff have been backported to it

[11:34:46]

GreyFoxx:

so it's likely days away

[11:35:02]

madfactor:

0.20-fixes is a SVN branch?

[11:35:12]

GreyFoxx:

yes it is

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madfactor:

I compiled from the tarball.

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GreyFoxx:

there is no official 0.20-fixes tarball

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GreyFoxx:

the tarballs are 0.20(a)

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gbee:

600Mb for 4 minutes of video!

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** GreyFoxx heads to work **

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madfactor:

If I am unable to get my mythtv-setup to work in my xboxfrontends, I'm leaving myth altogether

[11:41:03]

gbee:

madfactor: you must be doing something to make this harder than it really is

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S2:

600Mb for 4 minutes of 720p video must be to much

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S2:

what encoding did you use juski?

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S2:

this http://divx-702.vo.llnwd.net/stage6vid/1087371.divx is a 720p divx. 3:26 mins and 90mb

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S2:

mpeg2 is maybe a bit bigger, but not 600mb :)

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madfactor:

Guess I am going to have to recompile under SVN.

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madfactor:

Does current SVN have protocol 31?

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madfactor:

ls

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directhex|work:

0.20-fixes is protocol 31

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gbee:

we're upto 33 iirc in head

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madfactor:

svn said revision 13341

[11:58:35]

madfactor:

I am confused again. (hehe)

[11:59:00]

madfactor:

where do I get 0.20 fixes, the documentation says nothing about it.

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gbee:

if you want -fixes then

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gbee:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-20-fixes/

[11:59:09]

gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/

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madfactor:

Ohhhh! Thanks!

[11:59:25]

gbee:

describes the svn repos

[11:59:40]

gbee:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-20-fixes/mythtv

[11:59:44]

gbee:

if you just want mythtv

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gbee:

/mythplugins for plugins etc

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madfactor:

thanks for your help. :)

[12:02:38]

madfactor:

gbee: Since my ivtv driver was working fine before myth touched it, I am going back and removing the packages in order to compile everything.

[12:03:10]

madfactor:

gbee: I compiled the tarball, I found that my frontends are all protocol 31.

[12:03:26]

madfactor:

gbee: That is what I am dealing with this morning. (hehe)

[12:03:31]

gbee:

ok ;)

[12:03:39]

untitled:

hi

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untitled:

cant set up backend server, allways get this message: QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket

[12:04:10]

untitled:

2007-04–25 15:03:21.225 Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting.

[12:04:20]

gbee:

we were a little slow to release -fixes in tar form

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gbee:

untitled: run 'netstat -atunp' and post the results to pastebin.ca

[12:06:09]

madfactor:

Well... now that I know where the trac is, I don't have to worry about the tarballs.

[12:08:57]

gbee:

we really need the website redesign done, after that it should be a bit easier to find things

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madfactor:

gbee: you are apart of the development team?

[12:20:40]

gbee:

depends ;)

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untitled:

got the port, now keep getting this: TV: Attempting to change from None to None

[12:22:22]

gbee:

untitled: what comes before that?

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untitled:

Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION:

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untitled:

HTTPRequest::ParseRequest – Timeout reading first line of request. MythSocket(82e40d8:18): readStringList: Connection died (select).

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gbee:

untitled: hmm, try restarting the backend – basically communication with the backend is failing for some unclear reason

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MaverickTech:

I have got myth (svn trunk) running after feisty upgrade now

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untitled:

did anybody set up this thing to watch television actually?

[12:30:26]

** untitled doesn't think so :) took all day to set up, and nothing works... **

[12:30:31]

gbee:

er, everyone?

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Merlin83b:

With two being bots and you.

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untitled:

=]

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beavis_:

Hi guys, I get a configuration error within mythweb on feisty, have you ever experienced this one:

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beavis_:

configuration error: couldn't check user. No user file?: /test/mythweb

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** untitled really wan't to make it 2...:) **

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Merlin83b:

untitled: Does your input work outside mythtv?

[12:31:56]

juski:

untitled: spend half a day reading docs & howto guides for your distro

[12:32:01]

gbee:

untitled: 97.5% of the problems people have setting up mythtv turn out not to be related to mythtv

[12:32:12]

juski:

and then verify your hardware works outside of mythtv

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untitled:

i can watch tv just with kaffeine

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untitled:

(debian etch 4.0)

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juski:

so your hardware works

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untitled:

yep

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juski:

and because you said 'kaffeine' I assume it's a digital tuner.. dvb-t, dvb-s or dvb-c ?

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untitled:

dvb-t

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untitled:

yes, it is a "video pci card"

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untitled:

with small home-antenna

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gbee:

untitled: you've been through every stage of mythtv-setup? It correctly identified the card and the cardtype was set to "DVB"

[12:35:16]

untitled:

yes, ill recheck

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gbee:

think I'll build up a library of screenshots so I can ask 'does it look like this?' ;)

[12:36:32]

juski:

I had a bunch of screenshots for that very idea

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juski:

then went off the idea

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juski:

I think that would help a load though – having a real "help a noob" howto with screenshots since reading isn't always a strongpoint

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gbee:

because the possible setup combinations of mythtv are virtually infinite it would be difficult to create a full image based tutorial, but it might work in a 'flash card' type arrangement

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juski:

there's a market for a uk-based guide, for sure

[12:41:09]

juski:

with the kind of web design talent we have lying around someone could do a webpage wizard howto

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Solv:

well I just moved from using the internal dvd player which broke with xvmc...to mplayer, which has no menu navigation and wouldn't play my cars dvd...to xine. It plays everything perfectly, and has more customizable lirc remote options and it supports menus! I never though I'd use xine over mplayer

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gbee:

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6695/dvbtcardsetuplz7.png

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juski:

xine rules over mplayer, fer sure

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Solv:

i also just found out that vlc can play everything mplayer does...for those strange codecs xine might not support

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gbee:

the internal player supports menus, or wasn't that your point?

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juski:

Solv: if the codecs are that strange, stop downloading crap like that ;)

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Solv:

gbee, yeah it was fine until i changed my tv playback to xvmc...then it broke

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gbee:

Solv: ok, you've submitted a bug?

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Solv:

juski, nah i mean video streaming from news websites and that kind of thing...mplayer plugin was the best for that

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GreyFoxx:

Why did you start using xvmc? Were you low on CPU resources?

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gbee:

Solv: and did you actually *need* XvMC?

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gbee:

nm, what GreyFoxx asked.

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Solv:

yeah tv playback was jittery...switched to xvmc and BOB 2x and it fixed everything

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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gbee:

Solv: was it the xvmc or the bob filter that broke dvd playback?

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GreyFoxx:

happily I've never had to use xvmc other than minor "Oh, it works" testing :)

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Solv:

GreyFoxx, although my system SHOULD be able to do it on standard...it is a celeron D 2.66 with 768 mg RAM and a 64mb nvidia ti4200

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GreyFoxx:

SDTV content ?

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Solv:

yep dvb-t over the air sd

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GreyFoxx:

then hell yeah it should be able to

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GreyFoxx:

My Xp2500+ (which is like 1.8ghz) can play 1080i HDTV without xvmc

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Solv:

top was reporting an average of 50 percent cpu

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gbee:

I've never needed the interlacing filters

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juski:

a ti42000 doesn't support much of xvmc anyway AFAIK – if I remember right, it doesn't support the biggest advantage you get with XvMC – i.e. IDCT

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GreyFoxx:

That sounds familiar

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Solv:

juski, correct....but it fixed it

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Solv:

i use bob cause i was getting interlacing on a crt...weird hey

[12:47:32]

juski:

Solv: not weird

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juski:

but the ti4200 prolly doesn't have a fancy flicker filter like a >= GF4 would have

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Solv:

before going to xvmc i got it running in realtime priority and that helped a fair bit...but still was unnaturally jittery

[12:48:25]

GreyFoxx:

Solv: That sounds like a weird dvb playback issue a few people had

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gbee:

hmm, I get 15–20% cpu usage on all my frontends, including an old 1.4Ghz combined fe/be

[12:48:29]

Solv:

juski, prolly....got it for free though so i can't complain =)

[12:48:46]

GreyFoxx:

seems to me that it has been fixed , though I have no idea if that's only in svn trunk or not

[12:48:58]

Solv:

GreyFoxx, yeah you may be right...cause i could playback recorded tv fine and be recording another show at the same time and still smooth as silk

[12:49:03]

juski:

hell my 733Mhz celeron-M uses only 25% during playback of SDTV DVB-T recordings

[12:49:28]

juski:

50% if deinterlacing is enabled..

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Solv:

so it aint cpu or hdd speed problems....maybe i should try and get the svn version

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juski:

that was with 0.20-fixes btw

[12:50:02]

juski:

and 0.19

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juski:

and 0.18

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Solv:

my current version is: media-tv/mythtv-0.20_p12884

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juski:

ahh gentoo

[12:51:31]

gbee:

well I've nearly finished abusing juski's bandwidth

[12:51:32]

Solv:

GreyFoxx, can you tell me a little bit more about the problem..or point me to a thread so i can read about it?

[12:51:34]

juski:

maybe your USE flags are screwed up

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juski:

gbee: it's not my bandwidth as such

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gbee:

heh, just noticed the url

[12:52:49]

juski:

which video? the one split into loads of rars?

[12:52:49]

Solv:

juski, no they are fine

[12:53:09]

gbee:

juski: that one

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juski:

well, if I might ask folks to go easy on that directory until at least xris has downloaded the new vid

[12:54:20]

gbee:

I'm just grateful that with modern connections very little is still distributed in split archives

[12:54:40]

juski:

yeah I need to talk to the site admin about that

[12:54:50]

GreyFoxx:

Solv: Not specifically as it never affected me. It affected a few and there was at least one thread and trac ticket on it, but I don't remember much in the way of specifics

[12:54:54]

gbee:

juski: if necessary I can host a copy

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juski:

gbee: if it's no trouble, please do

[12:56:05]

gbee:

probably not for everyone, last time I hosted a popular file (just 50mb) I was over my 7Gb daily allowance in a little under 90 minutes

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Solv:

GreyFoxx, okay thanx anyway...i will try and trac it down so to speak

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tzanger:

so... nuvexport will take the .mpg files from the DVB stream and convert them to AVIs, does it remove the original (huge) .mpg file as well and update the database?

[12:57:07]

Zider:

I don't have any allowance limits on my connection

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Zider:

(which seems to have jumped from 100/10 to 100/100)

[12:58:04]

Zider:

so there's hosting possibilities here as well

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gbee:

which prompted an argument with my hosting company over the wording on their terms and conditions – I had 100Gb of my monthly allowance to spare, but they measured it daily, contrary to the impression given

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janneg:

juski: I can host it too

[12:59:57]

janneg:

and test the meaning of "unlimited" traffic

[13:02:57]

juski:

janneg: well, you'll be needing the file anyway won't you?

[13:03:18]

juski:

gbee: that was my argument for not hosting it at home

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gbee:

not that I'm complaining, but I wonder what happened to untitled?

[13:04:50]

juski:

btw janneg if you want a german translation, give me the text & I'll make a new version.. though obviously sans voiceover ;)

[13:04:50]

janneg:

juski: yes, but not now

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juski:

gbee: maybe it's all worky now.. who knows?

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gbee:

juski: it's so unsatisfying when they do that

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juski:

yeah seen how some people are so full of gratitude

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gbee:

if I'm giving my time to help them, the least I expect is to hear whether they've got it working

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juski:

why else would I have resigned from my moderator post on the forums

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gbee:

I can even live without a thank you, although they should burn in hell for the ingratitude :p

[13:07:55]

juski:

hahaha

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gbee:

well the upload is going smoothly, it's just finished the first file :(

[13:09:31]

gbee:

didn't I hear something about Virgin doubling their speeds? or was that just the top tier package?

[13:09:43]

juski:

just the top one IIRC

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gbee:

bastards

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juski:

they put the price up by 2 squids but doubled the speed

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juski:

http://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/virgin-medi . . . op-speed.htm

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sid3windr:

2 squids? let's go fishing :D

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Solv:

indigital was just a reviewing a new linux based media centre pc...something like my tele...it wasn't mythtv...anyone heard of it?

[13:14:14]

Solv:

ah...found it...the Interact-TV

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gbee:

quickly boys, grab the rope, time for a lynching!

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Solv:

they gave it a crap review

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juski:

prolly crap then

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juski:

not that I'm a mythtv fanboy or anything, but all othr PVRs are shite

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Solv:

they must have developed their own software for it...http://www.interact-tv.com/

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gbee:

Solv: possibly, although looking at the screenshots, it has a lot of parallels with mythtv

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Solv:

they said it was too hard to configure for the average use, and it just used an ordinary 3.5mm jack for audio out =)

[13:17:06]

Solv:

maybe they just skinned it?

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gbee:

not that any one media centre pc is going to be vastly different from another

[13:17:36]

juski:

maybe they did

[13:17:51]

juski:

maybe it's a classic case of GPL violation

[13:17:52]

gbee:

if it's based off mythtv it's more than skinning, but not much more

[13:18:08]

directhex|work:

yay! power!

[13:18:25]

gbee:

e.g. the music screen could be skinned, but for the progress bar that is shown – we don't have that yet in mythmusic

[13:18:28]

juski:

janneg: yeah. I was only kidding

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gbee:

something I want to add though, a progress bar

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Solv:

is it okay to sell a product commercially with gpl software if you declare the software ?

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directhex|work:

Solv, yes, of course

[13:19:30]

directhex|work:

Solv, even microsoft did it for years, with services for unix

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gbee:

Solv: you have to make the source code available, especially if that source is modified in anyway

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directhex|work:

Solv, and consider linux-based devices like tivo, tomtom, a bunch of routers

[13:19:56]

Solv:

so it would be a gpl violation if they used mythtv and then tweaked the code but close the source?

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directhex|work:

Solv, exactly

[13:21:22]

juski:

if they're selling it preconfigured to use zap2it data there'll be hell to pay

[13:21:56]

Solv:

bbl

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janneg:

they have at least a working mythweather http://www.interact-tv.com/ETtellyportal.php

[13:22:58]

Zider:

dammit, I've lost my proftpd config :(

[13:23:02]

janneg:

if they use mythtv, which i doubt

[13:23:20]

juski:

janneg: maybe that'd be past tense now ;)

[13:24:06]

gbee:

the more I look at it, the more I doubt they are using mythtv, unless like I said, they've modified it a bit

[13:24:20]

juski:

maybe they used the backend

[13:24:58]

juski:

at the linuxworld thing a guy from freevo I spoke to said they were considering borrowing loads

[13:25:26]

gbee:

of course it's not that difficult to take mythtv and strip it down for a particular market, add a some bells and whistles then completely reskin it

[13:25:40]

juski:

the need the recording capability

[13:26:39]

gardengnome:

no one would steal mythtv because of mythmusic anyways ;)

[13:26:56]

gbee:

whilst I like diversity and choice, I often wonder just how good mythtv could be if all those developers working on the other projects concentrated their efforts on just one

[13:27:11]

juski:

gbee: me too

[13:27:31]

juski:

like say to Medaportal, geexbox, freevo, vdr.. come to work on mythtv instead!

[13:27:45]

directhex|work:

personally i'd like to see less "linux si teh suxx0r" comments from the core mediaportal devs

[13:27:46]

juski:

oh wait. I forgot about the ego thing

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gbee:

juski: there's that

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sid3windr:

what I think is great about mythtv is a) the different hardware support but especially b) the frontend/backend system

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sid3windr:

freevo is just... an app you run

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sid3windr:

without multiple tuner support or anything

[13:28:52]

juski:

directhex|work: yeah I saw the commentsthe comments about mepo-wide on the mediamortal forums... totally IGNORANT

[13:29:10]

juski:

arghh damn slow connection

[13:29:18]

gbee:

and also the fact that I really wouldn't want to drop mythtv to work on another project, it took me long enough to become familiar with the code and I really wouldn't want to do that again

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directhex|work:

juski, just generally if you mention linux, the developers go off on one about how much linux sucks and they don't want to interact with anything linuxy

[13:30:29]

directhex|work:

juski, honestly, i can see the attraction of coding something like mediaportal in c#, but there's no need to be rude

[13:30:41]

directhex|work:

juski, mediaportal and gb-pvr, there's a pair that could do with joint efforts

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gbee:

oh and also the fact that I'm interested in seeing what can be achieved with mythmusic because I'm convinced at the core there is something good and workable, which just needs some TLC

[13:30:44]

juski:

windows fanboys. there's no known cure I'm afraid

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janneg:

juski: the video is now available at http://www.grunau.be/juski/

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juski:

I can't see gbpvr ever going open source

[13:31:13]

juski:

cheers janneg :)

[13:31:51]

juski:

then again I never got gbpvr to work

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directhex|work:

i kinda did once. it brought my mythbox to a crawel

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directhex|work:

which isn't good for a 1.6ghz pentium-m

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juski:

mediaportal's dead easy to install. setting it up wasn't easy though – not that I found any docs about it

[13:33:07]

juski:

remember thinking "wow, and mythtv takes some stick.. this makes mythtv's issues look really small"

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directhex|work:

juski, everything's clickyeasy in windows!

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juski:

what I mean is, setup is as easy as doubleclick setup.exe

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juski:

but configuring it.... !! ouchy!

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directhex|work:

dpkg-reconfigure -plow mediaportal-service!

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juski:

where I _think_ I went wrong is that I expected it all to be done from a GUI – when actually there's a massive flat text file to edit (I dunno, just speccylatering)

[13:35:43]

janneg:

gbee: what was the outcome of the discussion about importing (some of) juski themes into myththemes?

[13:37:28]

janneg:

I've just seen that juski stopped to supporting the no wide themes. which is fine. but if they would be in myththemes were would be no need to support them since they would be updated whenever something in mythtv changes

[13:39:59]

directhex|work:

i *REALLY* need to find time to work on getting my bluetooth remote working. been too busy :/

[13:40:05]

juski:

well there's a catch there you see

[13:40:30]

juski:

I've been told sure they can be put into myththemes if I agree to maintain them

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juski:

all the themes

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juski:

I don't want to take it on then find it's too much

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directhex|work:

art in open source is such a curious exercise

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gardengnome:

juski: get someone else to help you :)

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directhex|work:

you can't even do the high-and-mighty debian-project's logo without a $99 proprietary font

[13:44:37]

S2:

i think mantaining it only means adapting it to the new versions when they come out. no?

[13:45:24]

gbee:

juski: I'm not sure why you would be expected to maintain them, when the developers of the other themes aren't expected to do the same

[13:47:01]

gbee:

however it would be good to have a theme developer around to handle what small amount of maintenance needs to be done, assuming they have the time

[13:47:41]

gbee:

right now no-one has really taken responsibility for looking after themes

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directhex|work:

presumably that's what they want juski to be

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gbee:

janneg: I stopped discussing putting juski's themes in svn after xris suggested getting him commit access

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gbee:

as that hasn't happened (yet) maybe we should be discussing putting them in svn again

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gbee:

I did want to propose we dropped a couple of older, less popular themes from svn to make room

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directhex|work:

beauty's in the eye of the beholder. i'm sure whichever theme you binned there'd be an outcry of some kind

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directhex|work:

no matter how small

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gardengnome:

yes.

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tzanger:

hmm mythtv doesn't seem to smart about running out of space :-)

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janneg:

juski: huh. who said that? I find that unreasonable. and given the number of commits to myththemes (maybe 20 in the last year) I think the person who make some changes that needs the themes to be updated should update all themes

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gbee:

tzanger: yes it is, that's why auto-expire exists

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directhex|work:

tzanger, howso? it automatically removes old recordings when the disk is full and it needs room – no sooner

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gbee:

oh course mythtv assume it has a dedicated space (or even partition) in which to save recordings

[13:55:26]

directhex|work:

you can, but don't expect results

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tzanger:

gbee: yes but if you've got nothing to autoexpire and you're full it still tries and tries

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gbee:

it's not really a 'desktop' app after all, but designed for dedicated PVRs

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directhex|work:

if you've got nothing to autoexpire, you're doing some funky shit

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directhex|work:

add more disks!

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tzanger:

gbee: actually I have a question regarding that

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janneg:

gbee: current themes are 15M,

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gbee:

janneg: it's not a huge amount I'll agree, although I think juski's themes would at least double that

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janneg:

no, that's wrong: 26M

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directhex|work:

yeah, juski's themes are pretty fat. in a good, image-heavy way

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gbee:

there is also the maintenance, I don't really mind having to update 10 themes, but 15, 20 and it starts to become a pain

[14:00:16]

gbee:

especially if a few of those are hardly used

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directhex|work:

how exactly is "maintenance" defined, anyway? i suspect this is a situation where the work required might be nothing for 11 months then suddenly be a real burden after a major change

[14:00:59]

gbee:

I think a poll of users on which 'official' themes they use might yield interesting results

[14:02:12]

janneg:

yes, wouldn't have guessed that so many people are using Iulius

[14:02:39]

directhex|work:

am i allowed to say a theme looks like ass without causing offense?

[14:02:40]

gbee:

directhex|work: well by coincidence I'm doing some right now, after changes/additions to the menu code I'm replacing all instances of <centered>yes<centered> with <valign>center</valign> in all themes

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|work: Just tag on a IMHO :)

[14:03:02]

gbee:

that's actually an easy example, because I can do it with a simple search & replace

[14:03:04]

directhex|work:

gbee, so... that's a 1-line script?

[14:03:14]

janneg:

but because of "janneg: 'ram' could be janne: in 1600x1200: Iulius: 51M, blue: 81M, minimalist-wide: 98M, mythcenter: 120M, blootubelite-wide: 174M, mythcenter-wide: 135M, MePo-wide: 170M, ProjectGrayhem-wide: 190M, Retro und GANT: 215M, Titivillus: 260M, blootube: 299M, ProjectGrayhem: 300M, blootube-wide: 416M

[14:03:17]

directhex|work:

gbee, the issue is testing more than changing, in those cases

[14:03:36]

janneg:

there are quite a few user in #mythtv-de

[14:03:40]

directhex|work:

good god blootube-wide is hungry

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sivel27:

hello all

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directhex|work:

janneg, how about juski's neon theme?

[14:04:49]

sivel27:

i have a pansat 2700 fta reciever, and was wondering if its possible to change channels via serial cable. serial on the pc to the serial of the reciever?

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janneg:

directhex|work: I have no idea and the pc isn't on and I'm nat at home

[14:06:17]

directhex|work:

pfft, excuses

[14:06:23]

gbee:

directhex|work: the biggest problem is the design – if I add a new theme element, do I then have to worry about making it look right in every theme? Picking colours, position etc?

[14:06:23]

sivel27:

is there a command to test the serial port?

[14:06:38]

directhex|work:

gbee, how delightfully subjective!

[14:07:48]

gbee:

I'm not an artist and I don't really want to be second guessing the theme designer or otherwise ruining a good theme with my lack of skill :)

[14:08:59]

directhex|work:

there aren't many artists in open source land

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gbee:

no-one would be impressed if I were to make my own additions to a Picasso or Rembrant

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directhex|work:

it's odd, really

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directhex|work:

there are so many people out there doing art for free on the net, yet so few gravitate towards open source, where it's really needed

[14:12:17]

juski:

of course blootube-wide is hungry. it has by far the biggest images of all themes & myth is storing scaled images in ram the whole time

[14:12:39]

directhex|work:

ram's cheap

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juski:

whining's cheaper ;)

[14:12:48]

janneg:

scaled and uncompressed

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gardengnome:

is there any good reason why they are completely uncompressed?

[14:13:31]

janneg:

juski: the video is cool

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directhex|work:

not enough artists in open source. they should be loved and nurtured!

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** directhex|work DCCs juski a beer **

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** gardengnome watches a buinch of alcoholics performing a man-in-the-nmiddle attack **

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janneg:

juski: I think a german version isn't necessary. linuxtag is german/english and most the term are known in german too

[14:18:18]

juski:

janneg: thanks

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juski:

cheers directhex|work :)

[14:18:46]

juski:

that should help with the hangover-type feeling I have today :)

[14:19:18]

directhex|work:

i still think mythtv needs its own cute anthropomorphic character to supplant mediaportal's finest though ;)

[14:20:15]

jarle:

anybody wanna suggest a good combination of hardware for building a mythtv box? I read a lot about what "works", but am missing some reviews by mythtv-users..

[14:22:17]

gbee:

directhex|work: we have juski, will he do?

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Ruleke:

he's not antropomorphic

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Ruleke:

:-)

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juski:

misanthropic :-P

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silentd:

you could get him liquored up and slap a unicorn horn on

[14:23:08]

directhex|work:

lycanthropic?

[14:23:18]

Merlin83b:

Misanthropic.

[14:23:22]

juski:

get me drunk & make me horny? ugh

[14:23:27]

Merlin83b:

Oh, you said that already.

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** Merlin83b goes back to not paying attention. **

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Ruleke:

I'm not english but is the H supposed to be there in the "throp" part ?

[14:23:52]

Merlin83b:

Yes.

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Ruleke:

damn greeks

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juski:

if you can spell properly, there is ;)

[14:24:18]

Ruleke:

well it depends on the language

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tank-man:

jarle, do you have an old pc around? what do you want to spend?

[14:28:24]

directhex|work:

do what i did, but moreso!

[14:28:40]

tank-man:

yea, yea

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directhex|work:

8 1tb drives, core 2 quad, 4gb ecc ddr2

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directhex|work:

bunch of tuners

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tank-man:

too much lol

[14:28:57]

directhex|work:

8800gtx in case you want to play some bzflag

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Ruleke:

do you call it "The Gibson" ?

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gardengnome:

hackers is an awesomely crappy movier

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gardengnome:

-r

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Ruleke:

yeah

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directhex|work:

hackers is FANTASTIC

[14:29:36]

Ruleke:

I love the crappines

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Zider:

hackers rocks :D

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directhex|work:

especially after a few beers

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Ruleke:

specially because of the cast

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directhex|work:

i need to buy a copy really

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juski:

I still wish 'Neo' had been called 'Emo' in 'the Matrix' films. much more fitting for everybody who goes round IRC with that nick

[14:31:54]

Ruleke:

more aptly called "Woa"

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directhex|work:

i wish the second film didn't involve his bare ass

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gbee:

don't think I even noticed that

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juski:

I probably wasn't awake

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silentd:

it's fairly inoffensive compared to the sheer arse of the third movie

[14:34:06]

juski:

rofl

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juski:

wooo just been given a PIC developmentt kit for freebies :) I can see a new hobby before me

[14:34:57]

gbee:

as for crappy hacking related films, just got Firewall on dvd? Is it even worth sticking in the player or should I send it straight back?

[14:35:13]

juski:

can't say I've heard of it

[14:35:19]

directhex|work:

ever seen The Net starring sandra bullock?

[14:35:43]

gbee:

yep

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directhex|work:

wish you hadn't?

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gbee:

really? oh dear

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tank-man:

firewall? the net? booo

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goreguts:

antitrust

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goreguts:

thats a good one

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silentd:

they released the net 2.0 last year

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tank-man:

sneakers is good

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gbee:

added it to my rental list against better judgement, wasn't much else available at the time that I hadn't already seen

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directhex|work:

Hackers deserves to be in the DVD collection of everyone who actually recognised any of the anarchist's cookbook bits they swiped, like the record-sound-of-money-in-payphone "hack"

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silentd:

haha

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silentd:

operation takedown is pretty good

[14:37:35]

Ruleke:

pff that predates the cookbook

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Ruleke:

what about the Cpt Crunch whistle :)

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directhex|work:

both good. but it was kinda obvious that there was a single source of material

[14:38:22]

directhex|work:

don't make me throw a garbage file at you, damnit!

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gbee:

I liked antitrust mostly because it was the first 'hacking' or computer related film I'd seen which even looked close to reality

[14:39:09]

gbee:

the computer bits I mean

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tank-man:

gbee, have you seen sneakers?

[14:39:26]

gbee:

otherwise it was a little shoddy

[14:39:32]

Ruleke:

pirates of silicon valley predates it :)

[14:39:51]

gbee:

tank-man: more than once

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directhex|work:

the matrix 2 had nmap and ssh vulns in it! 100% realistic! :p

[14:40:33]

gbee:

Ruleke: it might do, but I've never seen that

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gardengnome:

have you guys seen "23"? it's about two german crackers who become spies for the russians back in the eighties.

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Ruleke:

I thought it was quite funny

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