Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, April 23rd, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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tzanger:

nuvexport looks nice, that's for sure

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squish103:

tzanger there is a nuvexport.rc file or something, that allows you to make lots of default setting changes

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maxm:

hi everyone

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maxm:

had just setup mythtv and I got almoust everything working except for channel listings.

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maxm:

I've setup the labs.zap2it.com account, entered it into mythtv-setup, and it downloaded data, but it does not seem to get matched to the list of channels I got. I'm in new york, using cablevision cable and unencrypted QAM-256 basic cable channels, ie CBS2-HD, NBC4-HD, all the PBS stations etc

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maxm:

any ideas where I can pick/poke here, is there any matching table or such where I can specify that 21_4 channel should be matched to WLIW-WD or such in Zap2it listing?

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high-rez:

Anyone here have opinions on digital cable cards?

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maxm:

high-rez: well since we seems to be the only alive ppl here, I just got pcHDTV a few days ago

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maxm:

pcHDTTV 5500

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high-rez:

maxm: I have one of the original pcHDTV cards in storage – but it only supports OTA. HOw do you like the 5500?

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maxm:

seems to work fine, but it was a bitch to set up. and I am a linux guru, ie I can hack/debug kernel etc

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xzcvczx:

whats mute in mythtv (default)?

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squish103:

high-rez i have an ATI HDtv Wonder... would not recomend

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squish103:

maxm had the same problem.. this is how i "fixed" it

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high-rez:

squish: I sortta got that opinion from reading the wiki. Pretty bad, eh ?

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high-rez:

maxm: Yeah, the original pchdtv card sortta sucked to get working ;)

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squish103:

high-rez, it works most of the time

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high-rez:

Do you guys use yoru cards for OTA or for cable? I'm interested mostly in cable, but I suspect there's prolly not a lot of unencrypted content available..

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squish103:

maxm, i went to www.zap2it.com and look for the details of the digital channel.. look for strnum=xxxxx in the string then

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squish103:

after that i had to do a couple different versions of mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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squish103:

high-rez i only got about 7–10 channels of the basics

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high-rez:

squish: yeah, i guess i shouldn't expect too much. :)

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high-rez:

I'm using the WinTV PVR500 right now, but it sure would be nice to have some HD.

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maxm:

high-rez: scan also found a bunch of untitled empty channels, the atv forum post said that these are reserved for when someone buys PPV, and then you can actually catch someone's PPV there.. Can't find URL to that forum, have to VPN to work and get browser bookmark

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high-rez:

mxam: Yeah, not so interested in the PPV. If I really wanted PPV, I'd just get a DVB-S card. ;)

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maxm:

HD pretty good (this is first time I actually seen HD for real).. Watched today Devils game, you can actually see the pack all the time etc

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high-rez:

i watch most of my tv on my pc with a 1680x1050 monitor. not 'true' hdtv resoultion, but it'd certainly look better to stream hd to this machine than the content coming off of the PVR500's

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PaulWay[w]:

Hi all!

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ubuntuEdgy:

hi

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ubuntuEdgy:

brb

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PaulWay[w]:

I've heard of a program which can import .AVI files and the like into MythTV as recordings – sort of the opposite of the old nuvexport.

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PaulWay[w]:

Anyone know of such a thing?

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linuxbomb:

PaulWay[w], are you talking about mythvideo?

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PaulWay[w]:

No, I've got that.

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PaulWay[w]:

I'm talking about re-importing videos into the Recordings section, with all the title and subtitle and so forth.

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PaulWay[w]:

I used nuvexport a lot before I worked out how to do transcoding properly.

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linuxbomb:

PaulWay[w], how would you do that without the guide info?

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PaulWay[w]:

Also, is there any news on the multi-user patch to MythTV/

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PaulWay[w]:

linuxbomb: The re-importer programme asked you for all the information. Or it got it from the info in the .avi file, maybe.

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linuxbomb:

PaulWay[w], because in mythvideo you can do that

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PaulWay[w]:

Yeah, but I'm wanting to put a bunch of shows that I exported with nuvexport back into the recordings section with their friends.

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PaulWay[w]:

So they're all in one section, rather than in two.

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linuxbomb:

PaulWay[w], oh i c your one of those kind of people huh?

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PaulWay[w]:

Ah, hang on, I think I've found it. Mikal Still's mythnettv script does it.

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PaulWay[w]:

I was.

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PaulWay[w]:

I've reformed now.

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PaulWay[w]:

brb

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tzanger:

hmm, is there a nice xvid setup for transcoding recordings?

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PaulWay[w]:

tzanger: Really depends on how much compression you want.

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PaulWay[w]:

Main setting to look at is the bitrate in the transcoding settings.

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tzanger:

PaulWay[w]: no, I mean there are high/med/low transcode options (which I assume is for mpeg2 compression) — I was wondering if there is something similar to automatically transcode recordings to xvid as well (I'd setup movie/cartoon/etc type categories)

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PaulWay[w]:

AFAIK, the medium and low transcoding options are xvid. But I'm probably wrong.

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hads:

Should I go Athlon64 or Core Duo for my new backend?

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squish103:

does a backend need a big cpu?

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hads:

Not really.

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PaulWay[w]:

I'd go for a Sempron, myself.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Unless you want to do a bunch of transcoding...

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J-e-f-f-A:

[and do it fairly quickly...]

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hads:

Na, I don't transcode

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PaulWay[w]:

Well, the only real reason is if you're recording analog and you want to transcode on the fly.

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hads:

I'm just bad at making desicions.

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hads:

:)

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PaulWay[w]:

There's plenty of time overnight to be transcoding...

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squish103:

i personally would take the one that is the most conservative in the energy requirements

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hads:

squish103: Yeah, that's probably more of a concern for me too.

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J-e-f-f-A:

hads: My current BE is a dual PIII 866 w/512mb ram... 3x analog tuners, and a HD-3000... no transcoding, works fine. New system is an Athlon 64 X2 4600+ ...

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hads:

I believe they are similar though.

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squish103:

and heat

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squish103:

actually for the backend, the heat does not matter

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hads:

I was thinking about an Athlon64X2 3800+ as they are about the cheapest around

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squish103:

i run a backend with an pvr150 and HD tuner on a p4 2.4 :/

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hads:

Mine is currently a XP1500 but I want to retask it as it's a noisy old thing

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hads:

And it needs to be in the lounge as I can't recable this place too easily.

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hads:

I guess the better question is nvidia or intel chipset really.

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ubuntuEdgy:

go nvidia

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ubuntuEdgy:

;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

I concur... ;-) nvidia! ;-)

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PaulWay[w]:

NVidia.

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hads:

I think I might, it'll save me $150 on the chip :)

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Sid`:

don't go nvidia if you have a PAL television

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hads:

Sid`: ?

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squish103:

anyone else have an ati hdtv wonder? i have a strange problem after modprobing cx88-dvb

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PaulWay[w]:

See if you can get onboard video.

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Sid`:

nvidia won't do PAL timings on component output in linux

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Sid`:

which makes the whole thing rather useless

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J-e-f-f-A:

Sid`: He's talking about motherboard chipset...

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PaulWay[w]:

Sid`: Why? I have and it's fine.

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Sid`:

PaulWay[w]: using the component output you can get a 25/50Hz signal?

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Sid`:

how?

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PaulWay[w]:

Sorry, I'm just using S-Video.

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PaulWay[w]:

I've got Option "TVStandard" "PAL-B" in my xorg.conf

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Sid`:

yeah, that'll work on composite or svid

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Sid`:

for component you need one of the HD###i or HD###p TVStandards

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Sid`:

which only support 30/60hz

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Sid`:

for some idiot reason

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Sid`:

thankyou nvidia

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J-e-f-f-A:

Sid`: Have you tried a custom modeline?

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Sid`:

J-e-f-f-A: nvidia TV encoders don't support externally supplied modelines

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Sid`:

they have a list of known-good modes that they use

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J-e-f-f-A:

Sid`: I'm confused — Are you trying to get HD out of a composite or svideo output?

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Sid`:

J-e-f-f-A: no, i'm trying to get 720x576 out of a component output

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Sid`:

and nvidia's drivers will only do ANYTHING on component with NTSC timings

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J-e-f-f-A:

Sid`: Strange... That's just the 'vga' rgb outputs – it should be able to support pal timings. AFAIK it's not an encoder output — like the composite and s-video are...

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TSCHAK:

this is odd

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TSCHAK:

i can't see the setup menu to see if 5C is turned on or not

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TSCHAK:

it doesn't appear on the RF out, on the composite out, or the firewire...

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TSCHAK:

the only thing i haven't tested is the component out, but i don't have the TV yet....

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TSCHAK:

on a motorola 6200

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Sid`:

J-e-f-f-A: it's a driver limitation from what i can work out

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TSCHAK:

xgrrrrrrr

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J-e-f-f-A:

Sid`: A little googling has found a message thread that found a solution for anothe pal user... He added this to his xorg.conf file: Option "UseEdidFreqs" "true"

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TSCHAK:

this box is pissing me off

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Sid`:

J-e-f-f-A: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=76819 <- from there?

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Sid`:

that guy's talking about using DVI-D i think

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TSCHAK:

is anyone in here using a 6200?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, that's it... Humm.. you're using component, so it wouldn't have 'edid'.. But that would seem to imply that the card can do it, it's just a matter of finding out how to get the card to 'obey' you...

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Sid`:

J-e-f-f-A: there's a bunch of posts kicking around the google where people say they've called nvidia and have been told how it is

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Sid`:

so, short of reimplementing the nvidia tv-out driver

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J-e-f-f-A:

Sid`: Ouch. Well, that's honestly the first bad thing I've ever heard about Nvidia cards.... Ick...

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Sid`:

yeah

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Sid`:

annoys me

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Sid`:

cos i have a pair of 76cm tvs that'll do 576p50 but not 576p60

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Sid`:

so i gotta run em at 576i30

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Sid`:

which is lame as hell

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J-e-f-f-A:

Sid`: So your TV doesn't have a VGA or digital input?

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Tanthrix:

TSCHAK: Are you sure that you're even getting access to the menu?

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Sid`:

J-e-f-f-A: nah

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TSCHAK:

Tanthrix, I can't see the menu, or anything

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tzanger:

hmm it seems I found a heisenbug with ntpdate on minimyth

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TSCHAK:

Tanthrix, just the channel output

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tzanger:

ntpdate tic.nrc.ca fails... ntpdate -d tic.nrc.ca works every time

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clever:

i have a local ntp server which uses multiple pools

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clever:

and then i have everything in the house sync off it

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Tanthrix:

TSCHAK: When I go into the diagnostics page on my 3146 the LCD screen on the front says "d 01"

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Tanthrix:

TSCHAK: Or are you not seeing any menus of any kind? (Like, no OSD, dvr screen, etc...)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Sid`: Humm.... Just found a page that says that the drivers themselves are hard-coded to 60hz... Yuck.

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clever:

lol eww

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TSCHAK:

Tanthrix, no osd no dvr no nothing, other than the output video

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ubuntuEdgy:

any one here use s2disk on the backend ?

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TSCHAK:

Tanthrix, I have a second TV hooked up to the RF so I could check things before I turned on my firewire stuff

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PaulWay[w]:

Tanthrix: Yet another reason to want a full open-source NVidia driver.

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Tanthrix:

TSCHAK: Hrm, I think I read something about that

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clever:

`e ping

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J-e-f-f-A:

pong

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clever:

lol

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TSCHAK:

Tanthrix, I do not have my HDTV yet, not until Thursday or so

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clever:

was expecting my mirc to respond

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clever:

it must not be connected

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Tanthrix:

TSCHAK: One sec, let me see if I can find it

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maxm:

squish103: I've changed the xmlvid to the stnnum from the mythweb setup, but it appears not to take, do I need to restart / re-run something?

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Tanthrix:

TSCHAK: Damn it, I read something about what to do if you can't see your menus, but I forget where

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JoeyJoeJo:

is there a way for my user job to display the percentage complete in the system status menu?

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clever:

Tanthrix: alt+tab?

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clever:

my mythfrontend doesnt redraw the menu's if its waiting for the mythtvideo(mplayer) player to exit

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Tanthrix:

clever: Huh? I'm talking about a cable box here

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clever:

and similar problems in other areas mostly caused by minimizing a prog mythtv started

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

not mythtv related yet

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clever:

i thought you meant the menus within mythtv

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clever:

still here

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Tanthrix:

Open the service menu by (while powered on) using Power (off) – Menu. Change the "OSD Override" setting and change it to something other than 480i or Off. On-screen displays will still appear on the HD output but will not on any other output. The procedure is reversable.

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Tanthrix:

TSCHAK: There's your problem, I think. You must have changed it, so now you won't be able to see menus without using component / HDMI

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clever:

no HD stuff here

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clever:

never touched it before

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TSCHAK:

Tanthrix, lovely... ohhhhh kay.

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Tanthrix:

TSCHAK: You can probably fix it without seeing it, though.

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TSCHAK:

if i had screenshots of the menu or something perhaps.

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clever:

got a device which can take hdmi or component in?

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Tanthrix:

TSCHAK: Turn the box off, press the menu key.

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TSCHAK:

clever, not yet.

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clever:

:(

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Tanthrix:

TSCHAK: Then press down once, then right until you see 480i on your LCD,

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TSCHAK:

i cannot turn it off without incurring much wrath

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TSCHAK:

ok.

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Tanthrix:

Then just press menu again

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J-e-f-f-A:

TSCHAK: You could probably plug the "Y" output from the component output to the composite input to your TV... It would be B&W, but should be enough to perform the switch...

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TSCHAK:

you know, you're right

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TSCHAK:

i gotta wait an hour

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TSCHAK:

until the apprentice is off

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Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: Clever! I would have never thought of that

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TSCHAK:

hell hath no fury like asian girlfriend

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clever:

lol

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clever:

lol

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TSCHAK:

you know

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TSCHAK:

i'm not that impressed with HD really

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J-e-f-f-A:

Although it would only work if the current output mode was '480i'...

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TSCHAK:

only like, 2% of anything streamed is in 1080i

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JoeyJoeJo:

is there a way for my user job to display the percentage complete in the system status menu?

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Tanthrix:

TSCHAK: If you're not impressed, you must not be watching it at its native resolution, or you have bad eye sight ;)

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TSCHAK:

i mean, even the apprentice, it's got black bars all over it

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TSCHAK:

Tanthrix, i'm watching it on my laptop display.

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TSCHAK:

the 1080i programs are fantastic

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TSCHAK:

I recorded mystery detectives on PBS yesterday

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TSCHAK:

looked great

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Tanthrix:

720P is fantastic as well

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J-e-f-f-A:

'24' in HD is INCREDIBLE!!!

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clever:

when watching standard def on my tv thru mythtv

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clever:

it looks fine

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clever:

when watching the same recording on my laptop

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Tanthrix:

So, your complaint is not that you're not impressed with HD, but that you're annoyed there isn't more of it

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clever:

i can see every defect in the compression and the 60hz noise and everything else

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TSCHAK:

Tanthrix, pretty much hehehe

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Tanthrix:

I've done a direct comparison between a HD-dvd and a dvd of the same movie on the same 1080i TV (switching back and fourth while playing both at the same time) and it's insane

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Tanthrix:

You think dvd is great and everything, then comes the HD version...

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TSCHAK:

i'm about to try hd-dvd as well

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Tanthrix:

Check that site out, it's really cool

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Might be your laptop's video card too... I find nvidia cards are much better at making low-resolution sources look good on a high-resolution screen. My expericences with ATI cards were not very good... (just like you've described.)

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TSCHAK:

my main goal

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Tanthrix:

In firefox, click one of the images, then when the dvd loads ctrl-click, then switch between the tabs

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TSCHAK:

is to see if 5C is really turned on

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TSCHAK:

for the other channels

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TSCHAK:

other than local

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TSCHAK:

my heart is sinking, but i might as well let it sink completely

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Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: That really shouldn't have anything to do with the video card unless it's scaling the full screen, which it usually isn't.

[02:18:45]

Tanthrix:

Or you're using GPU assited decoding of some kind

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TSCHAK:

oh sorry

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TSCHAK:

i am talking about something unrelated

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TSCHAK:

sorry brain going in a couple directions at once

[02:19:14]

TSCHAK:

it seems that I can only see local channels over the firewire.

[02:19:20]

TSCHAK:

i just want to check 5C=1 to make sure.

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Tanthrix:

Comcast gives me a ton of stuff unencrypted, but freaking PBS has the encryption turned on

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Tanthrix:

NBC too

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clever[rev]:

J-e-f-f-A: the laptops card is ati

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Tanthrix:

DiscoveryHD, inHD, uHD, etc.. all work

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TSCHAK:

Tanthrix, where are you?

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Tanthrix:

Portland, Oregon

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TSCHAK:

Tanthrix, I am in Boston/Cambridge

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clever[rev]:

J-e-f-f-A: and i dont get the same quality problems on avi files

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TSCHAK:

grrrrr

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TSCHAK:

Tanthrix, is it an indication of 5C if I can see it on the standard TV, but I get Partial Lock via the firewire?

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clever[rev]:

J-e-f-f-A: just nuv's that where recorded from the composite input of my framegrabber card

[02:20:52]

clever[rev]:

lcd panel cant get 60hz noise

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clever[rev]:

and the noise stops when i pause showing its part of the recording

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J-e-f-f-A:

TSCHAK: Comcast?

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TSCHAK:

J-e-f-f-A, yes

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Tanthrix:

TSCHAK: Unfortunately, my experience is rather limited. I just know if tuned to an encrypted channel it would fail. Going to play with it again when I get the time

[02:21:45]

TSCHAK:

it really fucking bites

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Tanthrix:

clever[rev]: You have a ground loop going on.

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TSCHAK:

that I pay for this subscription

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J-e-f-f-A:

TSCHAK: Humm... So only the local HD channels are in the clear? Yuck. I'm in Marlborough, it'd probably be the same for me here...

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clever[rev]:

Tanthrix: yeah probly

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TSCHAK:

and I can't... freakin.... watch the stuff

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clever[rev]:

Tanthrix: a while ago

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TSCHAK:

J-e-f-f-A, it sure seems that way

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clever[rev]:

Tanthrix: i had my foot on the pc case

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clever[rev]:

Tanthrix: and i touched the cable box to change the channel

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clever[rev]:

Tanthrix: ZAP

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clever[rev]:

Tanthrix: cable box has no ground pin

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Tanthrix:

clever[rev]: If your computer is grounded then you might have problems depending on the setup, since coax cable is always grounded

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clever[rev]:

and its only groud is the coax cable

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Tanthrix:

It's not the box, it's the coax itself

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clever[rev]:

and the composite from the pc

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clever[rev]:

ive tested it

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clever[rev]:

connected just the power

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J-e-f-f-A:

TSCHAK: The only HD I currently have is an HD3000 with an antenna pointed at Boston... I get a total of 22 channels (including all the sub-channels), but really only currently use fox 25 for '24'...

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clever[rev]:

then put a volt meter between the case and the coax sheild

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clever[rev]:

showed a voltage

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Tanthrix:

Yep, that's normal unfortunately

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clever[rev]:

i could also get a mild current thru my hands touching both the coax and cable box

[02:23:52]

clever[rev]:

another problem i had and 'solved'

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clever[rev]:

i had a pc in 1 room

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clever[rev]:

running an audio line acorss the house to another

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clever[rev]:

and when i grabed the 2 ends i got a mild current

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Tanthrix:

I ungrounded my computer and plugged it into a GFCI plug to get rid of my ground loop

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever[rev]: Sounds like you need an RF ground loop isolator

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Tanthrix:

Rather, grounded it to the coax

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clever[rev]:

testing showd the groun the pc was on

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clever[rev]:

was HOT

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clever[rev]:

so my entire pc case was hot for an hour while i used it at the dining room table

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clever[rev]:

and i never noticed until i touched a audio line comming from a properly grounded room

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Tanthrix:

clever[rev]: You have to either reduce the difference between the two grounds (unground your coax from wherever it's grounded, and then ground it to the house ground) or get an isolation transformer

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clever[rev]:

.

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clever[rev]:

ive tryed one of those plugs which uses the ground pin in a socket to grond the coax

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clever[rev]:

forgot how effect it was

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clever[rev]:

that socket that had the HOT 'ground'

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clever[rev]:

i shoved the tester into it once

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clever[rev]:

it blew up

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clever[rev]:

in my hand

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever[rev]: Sounds like you need an electrician!

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clever[rev]:

lol

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clever[rev]:

we took the socket appart

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clever[rev]:

with no wires going to the box

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clever[rev]:

the box was hot still

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clever[rev]:

the metal shielding on the cable is hot for some reason

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever[rev]: Is this a very old house? Like 100+ years old?

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clever[rev]:

no

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Tanthrix:

clever[rev]: How much voltage do you get between the shielding and ground?

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clever[rev]:

40 msybe

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Tanthrix:

clever[rev]: That's exactly what a ground loop is – generated potential between two separate grounds

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clever[rev]:

'hot' to 'ground' was 0

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Tanthrix:

40 is pretty high

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clever[rev]:

'neutral' to 'ground' was 120

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clever[rev]:

'ground' to the sheild of a coax from another room was 120

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever[rev]: Sounds like your 'neutral' and 'hot' wires are reversed...

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Tanthrix:

You *seriously* need to get that fixed – sounds like someone mixed up the neutral and the ground somewhere

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clever[rev]:

.

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Tanthrix:

er, neutral and hot

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clever[rev]:

J-e-f-f-A: thats what it seemed at first

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J-e-f-f-A:

exactly.

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clever[rev]:

but testing the ground relative to another room

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clever[rev]:

shows the ground was off

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clever[rev]:

and the hot/neutral where fine

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PaulWay[w]:

clever[rev]: Get an electrician and save yourself a whole lot of hassle.

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Tanthrix:

Something is obviously wrong, clever. Neutral and ground should never show any voltage

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clever[rev]:

yeah

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clever[rev]:

we couldnt realy figure it all out so we just disconnected the socket from the wires

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clever[rev]:

caped the ends off with wire nuts

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever[rev]: Did you say the wire was encased in a metal shield?

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clever[rev]:

yeah it was

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clever[rev]:

and that shield is connected to the metal box

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clever[rev]:

and the box itself is HOT relative to a coax from another room which should be ground

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** TSCHAK cries **

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PaulWay[w]:

All it'll take is someone to accidentally plug something in somewhere and you could have a burning house on your hands.

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PaulWay[w]:

Trust me, my house burned down, you do not want that.

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever[rev]: That's old stuff... Any time I've worked with that I've just replaced it with 'modern' romex. The insulation gets brittle and things short out rather easy... (yuck)

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clever[rev]:

the basement had a fire before we baught the house

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clever[rev]:

and after that they finished the basement

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Tanthrix:

clever[rev]: In any case, once you get your wiring fixed, this should fix your 60hz hum problems: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?& . . . mber=180-075

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clever[rev]:

.

[02:32:02]

clever[rev]:

cant click the link

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Tanthrix:

Ever here of copy and paste?

[02:32:38]

clever[rev]:

copy is the left button+drag

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clever[rev]:

paste is the middle button

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Tanthrix:

Or, you're on linux.

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Tanthrix:

Right.

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clever[rev]:

my irc client is inside an xterm

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clever[rev]:

3 left buttons

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Tanthrix:

Anyway, it's a 9 dollar 1:1 isolation transformer for coax cable

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clever[rev]:

2 dont work

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clever[rev]:

tap to click cant drag

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clever[rev]:

i have a rf amp for coax

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clever[rev]:

takes 120(no ground) in

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Tanthrix:

And?

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clever[rev]:

whole box is metal and that connects the shields of the 2 coax plugs

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clever[rev]:

probly wont do:P

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Tanthrix:

Why wouldn't it do? It's an isolation transformer

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clever[rev]:

the shield of both sides is connected together

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Tanthrix:

Put it up stream after the amp, and it completely breaks the connection using one coil to inducee the signal in another

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clever[rev]:

not realy isolating the sides from eachother that well

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clever[rev]:

i mean using the amp as an isolator

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clever[rev]:

not the same thing

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Tanthrix:

Well obviously an amp won't isolate anything, it's not designed to do that

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clever[rev]:

wouldnt work

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clever[rev]:

i make 0$/month:P

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Tanthrix:

The isolation transformer would

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clever[rev]:

right nwo

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clever[rev]:

the cable comes to the side of the house

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clever[rev]:

hits a spliter outdoors

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clever[rev]:

one line comes into the living room right thru the wall

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clever[rev]:

that goes into another spliter

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clever[rev]:

which goes into 2 tv's and 2 cable boxes

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Tanthrix:

And?

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clever[rev]:

so the tv can bypass the digital box and get basic cable with less channel change delays

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clever[rev]:

one of those cable boxes is just for mythtv recording and is right beside the pc

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clever[rev]:

so theres a massive coil of power cords right beside the cable box and under the composite video lines

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clever[rev]:

huge mess of emf noise

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Tanthrix:

So, you put the isolation transformer on the plug to your card, then plug the cable into that, and wham bam your ground loop is broken

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clever[rev]:

it can isolate composite instead of coax?

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Tanthrix:

Not the one I linked you, but you can find composite isolators

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Tanthrix:

you'd need one for both video and audio though

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clever[rev]:

ahh

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clever[rev]:

yeah

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clever[rev]:

i made a physical audio isolator before

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clever[rev]:

wired a speaker+cap directly into a phone line

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clever[rev]:

then using a bit of tape attached it to a mic

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clever[rev]:

which led to the pc

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Tanthrix:

Do you record via your card that has the 60hz hum problems from composite input and a irblaster or something?

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clever[rev]:

then i could hear pc convo's using the pc 24/7

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clever[rev]:

the video recording is a framefragger pci card

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Tanthrix:

Which doesn't answer my question

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clever[rev]:

audio comes in thru a dedicated pci audio card

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Tanthrix:

Oh, ok

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clever[rev]:

and i havent noticed a 60hz in my audio

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clever[rev]:

ir blaster is serial based(lirc)

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Tanthrix:

But you have noticed lines going through the picture on the video, which indicates a 60hz interferance?

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clever[rev]:

yeah

[02:41:22]

clever[rev]:

rolling bars

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Tanthrix:

You still didn't answer me if it was composite input or coax

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clever[rev]:

slowly moving because its nearly synced with the video

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clever[rev]:

composite for the digitalbox->pc lik

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clever[rev]:

link*

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Tanthrix:

Well, you could still use that coax isolation transformer right before the coax hits the cable box

[02:42:13]

Tanthrix:

Since your cable box isn't grounded

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Tanthrix:

Just depends on if your signal is strong enough to survive it

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clever[rev]:

yeah that might help some

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clever[rev]:

but with the digital channels

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever[rev]: If the video cable coming from the cable box to the myth box is anywhere near a power line, move it away... It may eliminate your problem...

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clever[rev]:

they will be leaving the box in perfect quality

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Tanthrix:

clever[rev]: Not just some, it should eliminate the problem, assuming you've tried moving the power cables right next to it.

[02:43:01]

clever[rev]:

but there may be noise added by the fact the case is somewhat live

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TSCHAK:

.....

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TSCHAK:

is there a capture card that can deal with hdtv component?

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clever[rev]:

its a bit tight on space to move them appart but i can try when i get home

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Tanthrix:

TSCHAK: No.

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TSCHAK:

:-(

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Tanthrix:

clever[rev]: Do this test: record some output from your cable box with the coax completely unplugged. If the bands go away, you have a ground loop problem.

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clever[rev]:

yeah i can test that

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clever[rev]:

when i get home

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clever[rev]:

6 hours away right now

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Tanthrix:

clever[rev]: In which case, you need to get an isolation transformer which might make your cable stop working, or try and reduce the grounds like I said.

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clever[rev]:

.

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Tanthrix:

Odd that you don't hear the hum in the audio though

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clever[rev]:

there is a bit of a background hum

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clever[rev]:

if i put the tv on the pc connection

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clever[rev]:

theres a noticable hum

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clever[rev]:

but i keep the volume near 10 which makes it harder to notice

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clever[rev]:

and i just turn it up on the mythtv side

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clever[rev]:

and there is a bit of a hum on the laptop when playing the files

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Tanthrix:

Classic ground loop.

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clever[rev]:

but i hardly notice it once the sounds of the show start

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Tanthrix:

Plagued me for years until I figured out what it was

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clever[rev]:

only durring silent parts

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Tanthrix:

And how to fix it

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clever[rev]:

it was much much worse in the basement setup

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clever[rev]:

which clearly from the coax layout had many loops in it

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clever[rev]:

plain cable split in 3 directions

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clever[rev]:

most of which met up and split multiple times

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clever[rev]:

like spining a web with spliters and switchboxes

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clever[rev]:

main coax went into 2 switches and the digital box

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clever[rev]:

digital box went into the 2 switches

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clever[rev]:

vcr(fed by a switchbox) went into the same 2 switches

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clever[rev]:

tv fed off the other switch

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Tanthrix_AFK:

Er, woops

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clever[rev]:

so i can select the input of the vcr to be plain,digital,vcr

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clever[rev]:

wait no

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Tanthrix:

clever[rev]: The number of splitters and stuff is irrelevent – it's the number of grounds that cause this problem.

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clever[rev]:

cablebox input was either plain vcr or cable

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clever[rev]:

complex loops:P

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clever[rev]:

was 1 ground spliting and merging several times mostly

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Tanthrix:

Irrelevent, still one ground. It's all linked.

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clever[rev]:

also the ground from the socket was mixed in also at a few devices

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Tanthrix:

And you can't fix it by ungrounding the coax either, since it's grounded at the street (besides probably being a bad idea)

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tzanger:

so here's a question... when running mythfrontend on my laptop, why is the colour off?

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clever[rev]:

i was grounding the coax to the socket also

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tzanger:

looks just fine on another mythfrontend box using the same backend and tuner

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clever[rev]:

or that may have been a lightning protector plug

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Tanthrix:

clever[rev]: The ground with the least resistence takes priority, so that probably wouldn't change anything.

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clever[rev]:

.

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clever[rev]:

ahh

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tzanger:

i.e. the blues are purple/pinkish

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Tanthrix:

tzanger: I presume you made sure it wasn't a loose cable?

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Tanthrix:

oh, laptop

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Tanthrix:

hrm

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** clever[rev] opens a avi i converted/compressed from a nuv **

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tzanger:

Tanthrix: it's my laptop display... only the mythfrontend window's off, the rest are good

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tzanger:

loadaverage is like nothing

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tzanger:

running as mythfrontend --geometry 640x480 -w

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Tanthrix:

I've heard of someone else having that problem around here, but I don't remember the details

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clever[rev]:

dont see any 60hz in it yet

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clever[rev]:

mostly noticaly only on dark screens

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tzanger:

actually.... the mythtv menus are the right colours

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tzanger:

only the livetv

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clever[rev]:

cant hear any 60hz noise over the cpu fan

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clever[rev]:

folding@home client shut off

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clever[rev]:

there cpu fan off:)

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clever[rev]:

my laptop can be 100% isolated if i want

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tzanger:

hmm

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clever[rev]:

but the input cards are on the desktop

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clever[rev]:

all id realy do is protect the playback half

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tzanger:

this frontend... livetv and watching things recorded from the other frontend (all recording done on the backend) are color-screwed... watching the same things on the other frontend are fine, and mythtv menus are the right color

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tzanger:

ah

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clever[rev]:

wired every single 12v batery i could get ahold of

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clever[rev]:

mostly using thin jumper wires

[03:02:30]

clever[rev]:

yet the thick amp meter cables where the ones heating up

[03:02:44]

clever[rev]:

that last pair had the full 10 amps dc going thru it

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simcop2387:

ah we've got a 1200AH ups for our tv, i need to build an ir transmitter for it so that mythtv can turn it off

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clever[rev]:

this was an old ups

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clever[rev]:

and the tv doesnt realy need to be on the ups

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clever[rev]:

just put the pc's on the ups

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clever[rev]:

maybe the digital box

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clever[rev]:

you can handle the tv reseting and rebooting in 5 seconds

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clever[rev]:

mysql damage and 5min reboot of the backend is another thing:P

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andruk:

im installing lirc from an MCE remote i got off of newegg, how do i tell which lirc midule to use (mceusb or mceusb2)?

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TSCHAK:

okay...

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TSCHAK:

this is officially throwing me for a loop

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tanq:

ok so xine doesn't lockup my box =)

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tanq:

now to finish my setup.

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TSCHAK:

Tanthrix, well I find out now

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TSCHAK:

Tanthrix, that there is no 5C on any of the channels I am only getting a partial lock on

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TSCHAK:

so on one hand, i have a sigh of relief

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TSCHAK:

on the other hand........... WTF?

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tzanger:

hmm, is there a way to get nuvexport to work with a .nuv file outside of mythtv? I've tried --infile somefile.nuv --noserver but it seems to want to ignore the fact that the file's right there and insists that the server knows better

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clever[rev]:

when i tryed to play a nuv using the command mythtv

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clever[rev]:

it contacted the mysql and looked it up

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clever[rev]:

it failed to find it in /media/mainlv/mythtv/ so it started to stream it over the web

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clever[rev]:

at 50kb/sec

[03:47:22]

clever[rev]:

it plays at 300

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clever[rev]:

a few symlinks fixed it

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tzanger:

ahh, okay I see now, it needs the backend to be able to see it in the recordings dir

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tzanger:

now it's working

[03:51:58]

tzanger:

I wonder why my livetv/recordedtv playback on this new frontend's screwy though

[04:06:03]

TSCHAK:

ugh

[04:06:12]

TSCHAK:

it seems with firewire_tester, I can't keep a stable p2p connection for shit

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Tanthrix:

TSCHAK: Neither can I. Had to use broadcast. By the way, did your page say "5C = 0" or "5C IMPLEMENTATION = NO"

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TSCHAK:

5C IMP = NO

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TSCHAK:

i'm in the clear

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TSCHAK:

on 10 channels I've tested

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TSCHAK:

Copy Free

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TSCHAK:

Broadcast seems to work with -r 50

[04:08:05]

TSCHAK:

but i am totally confused

[04:08:15]

TSCHAK:

if I have no 5C, what's holding it back?

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Tanthrix:

TSCHAK: For me, it always said the latter, even on encrypted channels. I had to go to the "current channel" status or whatever and look at the CCI = tag

[04:08:32]

TSCHAK:

and it seems AFTER I try to tune in the other channels, if I go back to the locals, they also go partial lock.

[04:08:54]

TSCHAK:

where is the CCI stuff?

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Tanthrix:

So, just because it says no doesn't mean anything at all

[04:09:00]

Tanthrix:

Let me check

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Tanthrix:

"d06 Current Channel Status"

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Tanthrix:

From the main diagnostics page

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Tanthrix:

Then for each tuner it has a page of info, with one of the tags being CCI

[04:10:56]

Tanthrix:

Was really messing with me at first, since I thought I was in the clear too

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TSCHAK:

0x02

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Tanthrix:

So, it is encrypted then.

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TSCHAK:

fucking hell

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TSCHAK:

:-(

[04:11:59]

Tanthrix:

At least, it probably is. Have you been able to get that channel to work at all?

[04:12:06]

TSCHAK:

no.

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Tanthrix:

Yah, it's encrypted then

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Tanthrix:

I tried both in linux and in windows and couldn't tune any channels that didn't have 0x00

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Tanthrix:

Sorry man.

[04:12:49]

Tanthrix:

Write a letter to your cable company, if no one complains nothing will ever change

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maxm:

hmm how do you configure how much free disk space should mythtv leave where it stores its mpegs?

[04:16:33]

maxm:

it goes down to like 4 gigs free on the partition, then in cleans up

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maxm:

this is without recording, just viewing

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maxm:

wondering if I should extend the volume or not

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Tanthrix:

Alright, I updated the wikibooks page on the 5C IMPLEMENTATION = NO thing

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Tanthrix:

Since it's been confirmed to be true by me, you, and other people I've seen talking about it in forums

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** TSCHAK puts his head in his hands and cries **

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TSCHAK:

what's gonna happen when everybody has to move to HDTV?

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TSCHAK:

all hell is gonna break loose

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Tanthrix:

Hopefully what's going to happen is enough people are going to complain to force the cable companies to provide unencrypted firewire access to the channels they *pay* for

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TSCHAK:

i wonder if there is a solution for digital satellite...

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cesman:

people don't have to move to HDTV, they have to move to digital TV

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Tanthrix:

cesman: Which is the problem. TSCHAK isn't complaining about HD encryption, he's complaining about digital encrytion in general

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Tanthrix:

cesman: Right now there are standards, so any analog tuner can pick up all the analog cable channels, but when that switches over in a few years we'll be at the mercy of our cable companies if we want digital streams

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TSCHAK:

in short

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TSCHAK:

we're fucked.

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Tanthrix:

Sure, we can just take in the composite output, but a) that degrades the quality and is totally uncessary considering the fact that the channels are delivered in mpeg2 transport streams already

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Tanthrix:

and b) it renders HD television into SD crap

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FunkyELF:

I was reading this on mythtv.org....

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FunkyELF:

I'm having a lot of trouble locating a good one that is also compatible with the GPL (most are under the Apache license, which is not)

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FunkyELF:

I thought those two could work together

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Tanthrix:

So unless someone comes up with a hardware HD encoder (which is possible – they have them in HDV video cameras) we're screwed

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Tanthrix:

But even then, it might not support HDCP or something, so that could end up not working

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Tanthrix:

(And even then there would be unnecessary quality loss)

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FunkyELF:

anybody here really understand licenses?

[04:43:36]

JoeyJoeJo:

I had to backup and restore my DB, and in the process some of my recordings say "No Seektable" when I try to edit them, and they report extremely long times (a 1 hour recording says it's over 9 hours)

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JoeyJoeJo:

can I recreate the seektables?

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high-rez:

is the table gone, or are there no entries in it?

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JoeyJoeJo:

the table is there.. this is just the case for recordings that existed before I restored my DB... new recordings are fine

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Fifth:

there any MythTV fbsplash themes?

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high-rez:

well i think they'[re byte offsets... so it should be possible to manually do. but i don't think it would be too fun to do :)

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JoeyJoeJo:

dang.. oh well, it's not that important

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high-rez:

just outta curiosity why did you have to backup and restore?

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JoeyJoeJo:

oh cool.. I just transcoded one of the recordings and it works perfectly now

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high-rez:

yeah, that would cause it to auto build the rows in recordedseek.

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JoeyJoeJo:

I reformatted my machine because I fucked it up by messing around with stuff I didn't understand enough

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high-rez:

ahh :)

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cesman:

perhaps someone that can change the title should change it to reflect 0.20.1 being the latest stable?

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JoeyJoeJo:

cesman: it's been released?

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kormoc:

cesman, typically that's done after it's been announced on mythtv.org

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JoeyJoeJo:

where can I find a changelog?

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kormoc:

JoeyJoeJo, svn.mythtv.org

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cesman:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/tags/release-0-20-1

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cesman:

well, I suppose I should compile it for my next release....

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squish102:

can any1 suggest how to find out why when i modprob cx88-dvb, i get kdvb-fe-0 running constantly at 10–20% cpu and a load of 1.05... where should i look for the problem?

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squish102:

if i stop mythbackend, rmmod it and restart, no kdvb-fe-0 and no problem

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squish102:

any idea what logs i should be looking at? or a good website besides google

[05:02:28]

PaulWay[w]:

Does anyone know the progress of that multi-user idea for MythTV?

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JoeyJoeJo:

what's mythmovietime? I didn't see much about it in the wiki

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Dagmar:

Multi-user?

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cesman:

JoeyJoeJo: I think it was a plugin that got movie listings for an area you specfied

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Dagmar:

I'm having a problem seeing how that could be useful

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kormoc:

Dagmar, think of it this way, User A likes House, User B likes House, House gets recorded, shows in both lists, user a watches it, it is marked as ready to delete, disappears from user A's list, but stays on B's until B says delete away or it gets autoexpired

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kormoc:

something like that can be quite useful

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Dagmar:

OKay, *that* could be useful

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Dagmar:

Describing it as "multi-user" made it sound like it was some crazy kiosk-unfriendly thing

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JoeyJoeJo:

I'm using mythfrontend on a computer LCD monitor.. should I deinterlace playback?

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Dagmar:

It won't matter

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kormoc:

nah, my understanding would be the most it would be is a userlist in mythwelcome and perhaps a PIN to enter accounts that have parental control or similar

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kormoc:

JoeyJoeJo, you should try it or not and see if it looks better or not

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Tanthrix:

JoeyJoeJo: Short answer: Yes.

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Dagmar:

Running the monitor at 60hz it's not really going to matter much

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Dagmar:

The thing'll have time to hit each field

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: You like looking and what has been affectionately called "mouse teeth" by some?

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PaulWay[w]:

Dagmar: you 'log in' and then you only see the programs you've scheduled, that sort of thing.

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compgood:

Does anyone know why the ivtv-fb driver (pvr350) would display the console on the television output?

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compgood:

I play something in myth tv, and the video is playing, but it has the output of console 1 in a box right in the center

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: I don't have to look at 'em. My display is already interlaced

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PaulWay[w]:

My partner's getting frustrated with the number of 'my' programs showing up in 'her' recordings listing...

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kormoc:

compgood, running a window manager?

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compgood:

yeah, would have to in order to run the front end

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Then you shouldn't be telling someone with a progressive screen what to do. Without deinterlacing movement of any kind results in crazy, extremely noticable mouse teeth.

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Dagmar:

I never actually had to do anything to the config on my desktop for the other frontend setup either.

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compgood:

its not showing the output from x though

[05:35:22]

compgood:

its showing the output from the 1st virtual terminal

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compgood:

(alt-f1)

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Dagmar:

I've just been lucky I suppose

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kormoc:

compgood, sure the X driver is configed properly?

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Tanthrix:

Lucky to have an interlaced screen? I wouldn't call that lucky..

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, some people don't notice/care

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compgood:

which x driver would that be?

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Dagmar:

No, lucky to have things working in a manner that just _knows_ what to do with interlaced video

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Agrajag-:

PaulWay[w]: tell her the whole thing is "yours" and she's lucky to be using it at all

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kormoc:

compgood, the fb one that comes with ivtv

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Dagmar:

I'm with kormoc on the "only mess with it if it looks better" because things *may* already be handling the fields properly

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compgood:

not sure, I just did modprobe ivtv-fb.. didnt know there was any configuring to do

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compgood:

the config file under /etc?

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Agrajag-:

PaulWay[w]: or use a different recording group?

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kormoc:

compgood, typically /etc/X11/xorg.conf or similar

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: On a progressive screen there is no proper handeling that makes the problem go away. One field is displayed after another, and it creates mouse teeth, period.

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compgood:

oh

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Not on my machine.

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compgood:

is there some page that says what to add/delete/change there?

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Dagmar:

I neither know, nor care why it doesn't, but it doesn't.

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, and some people don't really care or notice. I'm one that honestly doesn't notice

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: I thought you just said you have an interlaced screen

[05:38:00]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Strangely, some of us can afford more than one setup

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kormoc:

compgood, the ivtv website might, or myth's wiki

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compgood:

k

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compgood:

doesnt seem to be an X issue though

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kormoc:

compgood, if you don't see X at all, then it certainly is

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: You're right, though frankly, I can't imagine how someone couldn't notice interlaced video on a progressive screen.

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compgood:

not on the tv no..

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compgood:

but I shouldnt see the output of the 1st console either

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Dagmar:

Sometimes I'm watching stuff on the TV in the den, other times I am running the frontend on the second head of my desktop in the lab

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compgood:

should I?

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kormoc:

compgood, if X isn't starting or similar, perhaps

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compgood:

X is starting

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compgood:

im talking about display from the pvr350 card on the tv

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, nvidia cards have some magic to them too, any XV windows that it detects are interlaced it does magic to make them look nice if the card supports it

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Dagmar:

If his video is *all* interlaced, I'd take a shot at configuring an interlaced mode for X and letting hardware descalers have their way with it

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kormoc:

compgood, and if you're using the ivtv X driver, you'd see your x desktop and everything

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Dagmar:

I strongly suspect it's that nVidia magic that is the reason I've not had to worry about it

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: Hrm, didn't know that.

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compgood:

k

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Tanthrix:

In that case, I can see why leaving it alone would be fine.

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Dagmar:

I definitely had no problem screwing it up when I thought I had to do something about interlacing.

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, this is why I tell people to try it and see if it looks better or not, too many variables :P

[05:41:05]

Dagmar:

Blurry-smeary is no fun

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: My apologies then.

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compgood:

either way im not really going for X display on the tv at the moment (video displays in the background) I just want the console display off it :)

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Tanthrix:

Though, I still think if someone isn't noticing it, it's because nvidia is doing it for them. Out of all the video problems that exist (ghosting, tearing, etc..) mouse teeth have got to take the cake for most noticable

[05:43:03]

Tanthrix:

Either that or their bad eye sight is doing the deinterlacing for them ;)

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Hoxzer:

sda

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: Any info out there on what cards do automatic deinterlacing?

[05:44:22]

Tanthrix:

Or is it truly a undocumented piece of black magic

[05:44:30]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, I believe it is the latter

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Dagmar:

For TV output, there is some documentation in the readme relating to the flickerfree setting one manages with nvidia-settings

[05:45:11]

Dagmar:

..but basically, it's a magic slider that you just wave back and forth until the video output sharpens

[05:45:26]

Dagmar:

No explanation as to what it's changing

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Tanthrix:

No good for me – I'm doing 1080P over DVI

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JoeyJoeJo:

can mythphone work with skype?

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Tanthrix:

A shame too since nvidia's adaptive deinterlacing is probably better than what myth can do

[05:48:29]

Dagmar:

I have definitely noticed that Windows Media Player can pretty much be counted on to fuck up when playing the videos over a Samba share

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kormoc:

Yeah, I wish it would get offically documeted too, if it exists. I know the flickerfree rocks with nvidia, but the other stuff, I actually have never really noticed one way or the other, and I have no other card to test with, so it'd be nice to know for real :)

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Dagmar:

Go figure. Microsoft can break anything,.

[05:49:35]

Dagmar:

JoeyJoeJo: Is skype compatible with anything other than skype?

[05:50:45]

JoeyJoeJo:

I take it that the answer is no?

[05:51:12]

Dagmar:

I don't jack about skype

[05:51:27]

Dagmar:

I know that MythPhone is "standard" enough that I've gotten an Ekiga call with it

[05:52:13]

Sid`:

i've had mythphone interoperate with a hardware video-phone

[05:52:50]

Dagmar:

I'll be doing more stuff with Ekiga once I get my notebook's built-in camera sorted out

[05:53:12]

Dagmar:

Right now there's kinda a disco-mode thing going on with it not dealing with colors properly

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: It's in the conf, just said DISCO-MODE=0 and you'll be fine

[05:54:44]

Tanthrix:

said=set

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Tanthrix:

*

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Dagmar:

Actually, I just fudged up a modification to the driver

[05:55:09]

Dagmar:

The thing gets a double-helping of green and no red by default

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Sid`:

how very early 70s of it

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Dagmar:

I was trying to make it more or less auto-adjust, but changes to the scene fuck it up

[05:55:56]

Dagmar:

There's a lot of USB webcams with the same IDs that have different ccds

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Tanthrix:

Newegg can go to hell, making me pay to ship back an item for RMA that failed under warranty

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Dagmar:

Everyone does that

[06:16:44]

Tanthrix:

Not everyone, but even if that was true it doesn't excuse it. Still a lame practice for consumers.

[06:17:19]

kormoc:

meh, when I return something to the store, I don't get paid gas money

[06:17:21]

** kormoc shrugs **

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Tanthrix:

I would consider a trip to a store, as well as the time it takes to deal with talking to customer support people, etc.. more than fair to not be compensated for.

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kormoc:

well, you could always drive it over to newegg's store...

[06:19:38]

Tanthrix:

With some exceptions – if I ran a business I think I might give out certificates for certain circumstances. (IE, having to spend 3 hours bring back a 300 pound appliance because it failed)

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Dagmar:

They usually pay the shipping on the replacement item, if it's any consolation

[06:20:33]

Tanthrix:

Aye, and newegg does. So that's something.

[06:20:43]

Tanthrix:

I still resent having to pay for someone else's mistake.

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kormoc:

tis a risk of the online store

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Tanthrix:

Though I imagine a ton of people just return stuff as defective because they broke whatever it was, so that means time and effort for the company

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kormoc:

they're quite clear about the policy when you purchase the item

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hads:

If someone returns something to me *and it turns out to be faulty* then I'll give them a store credit for $10 to cover their shipping.

[06:21:33]

hads:

It loses me money but I like keeping my customers happy.

[06:21:48]

Tanthrix:

kormoc: Actually, they're not. They used to have a bit about it, but now they just don't say anything about having to pay return postage.

[06:22:14]

hads:

But, I pick what I sell, and I don't sell things that fail a lot.

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Tanthrix:

hads: Exactly. And not all online stores suck – crutchfield.com is amazing. They pay return shipping even on non-defective returns, as long as it isn't a TV or anything that does freight

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: A while back I read something about "Since it's not newegg's fault that something failed, we will not cover shipping charges for the return, but we will cover the shipment back"

[06:23:57]

Tanthrix:

But it doesn't seem to be there anymore.

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hads:

I can understand it though. I have to pay for shipping back to the distributor so it's just passing costs on.

[06:24:29]

Tanthrix:

At least, it's not on the return policy page, and if it's not there, it's as good as them not having it.

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kormoc:

huh, yeah, the part I remembered isn't there as well

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kormoc:

http://www.newegg.com/Info/FAQDetail.aspx?Module=6

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kormoc:

"No, Newegg.com does not pay the return shipping cost for defective merchandise. We are not responsible for product defects, because we do not manufacture the products we carry. However, Newegg.com will split the shipping costs with you. If you pay to send the item back to Newegg.com, Newegg.com will replace the item and ship the item to you at no charge. Newegg.com will employ every resource it has to ensure that your item is replaced promptly

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kormoc:

, without hassle."

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Tanthrix:

Oh, hrm. Either the moved it, or it was always there on the FAQ page and I forgot about that

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Tanthrix:

In any case, it's a joke to put that on a separate page from the return policy page. They just don't want people to know that until it's too late.

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kormoc:

welp, you could always not buy from them

[06:28:24]

Tanthrix:

Yep.

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Dagmar:

Dude it could be worse

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Dagmar:

I have had TigerDirect try to charge me restocking fees on DOA stuff

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Obviously. I just don't like paying for other people's mistakes.

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gbee:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Feature_ . . . ew_Recording

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gbee:

check the last 'wish' added to that section :p

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hads:

heh

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gbee:

interestingly, a few lines above that it a genuine bug

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hads:

The "hit the record button" one?

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Solv:

gotta love mythtv on gentoo....had to upgrade qt because there is a bug in 3.3.8 causing mythtranscode to fail....that meant i had to upgrade dbus...well pretty much every package uses dbus...so I had to upgrade the whole system...took two days and a hell of a lot of removing and adding packages...finally about to finish....won't do that again too soon

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anykey_:

Solv: you could always build QT without dbus :p

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directhex|work:

Solv, but mythfrontend gets to idle waiting for user input 0.03% faster than on a binary distro! you just can't get that on debian!

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** juski laughs **

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anykey_:

directhex|work: gentoo isn't only about -fomg ;-)

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juski:

omgoptogonerization ftw!

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directhex|work:

anykey_, nope, sometimes it's about -fzomgbbq!

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pat___:

and it is only a monday!

[09:20:11]

directhex|work:

pat___, 10:20am no less

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anykey_:

directhex|work: use flags is a great feature...

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Solv:

i still can

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Solv:

woops

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Solv:

didn't finish

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Solv:

i still can't go back to any other distro...gentoo is like an addiction or something

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directhex|work:

anykey_, i can understand the principle, but i don't see that it's worth the mucking about. if i really want to tinker with an app, it's not an enormous hardship to do it on a per-app basis on those rare occasions

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anykey_:

directhex|work: let's say you'd want to build everything without support for X, good luck on doing this on a per-app basis ;-)

[09:23:24]

directhex|work:

anykey_, why would i want to do that, other than to save some compile tim... oh, wait :p

[09:23:27]

anykey_:

directhex|work: i'm not saying gentoo is the one and only, but it has its use-cases, for example I built my frontend on a 256 mb CF card, I don't know if that would be possible with debian...

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** hads watches distro war start **

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anykey_:

directhex|work: I don't want an x-server on my server, but I want the mythbackend. I need the X-libs for mythbackend, those usually carry a dependency for X-Server... this is a good use case for use flags ;)

[09:25:04]

Solv:

lol

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directhex|work:

anykey_, yeah yeah, i know. and within certain use cases i'd agree with you

[09:25:44]

directhex|work:

anykey_, it's just fun to poke the -fretuculate_splines crowd with -fzome-what-cute-kittens

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anykey_:

directhex|work: I wouldn't use gentoo on a production desktop system though, too much hassle with updates ;)

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pat_:

blah, as long as it works

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pat_:

if you're going that route you want mac os x

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juski:

or you could just like, never update & then 6 months down the line when you go to update something you find it's all broked

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directhex|work:

enforced pain is something that should be restricted to guantanamo bay and the bedroom

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directhex|work:

is mythfrontend on osx actually any good, out of curiosity?

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anykey_:

pat_: i actually want mac os x ;)

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directhex|work:

my office pc is a 24" imac with linux

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pat_:

I've got in this house, win xp, ubuntu 6.06, mac os x 10.3.9, free bsd 6.2 and I use the windows machine

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directhex|work:

it was the best value linux workstation i could get

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pat_:

windows just works

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directhex|work:

that also depends on use-case

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pat_:

(also it has a 24" crt attached)

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Solv:

if i was gonna by a mac, i'd just use their inbuilt media program...frontrow...looks cool

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juski:

pity it can;t record anything

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juski:

nothing more than a player

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Solv:

then i'd by an appletv box

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juski:

nothing more than a player

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andjelko:

hi all

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directhex|work:

which is a £200 box for showing SD video bought from the apple store

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andjelko:

I have a question or two...

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directhex|work:

which might be useful for a few yanks, i suppose

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juski:

that's apple all over actually – it's nothing more than a player ;)

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anykey_:

juski: too bad front-row doesn't play anything but quicktime per default ;)

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** directhex|work throws ipods at juski **

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juski:

andjelko: so ask away

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andjelko:

is there anyway I can check whether my QT has been compiled threadsafe and with MySQL bindings ?

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directhex|work:

what distro?

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Solv:

easy with gentoo

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Dagmar:

Solv: Assuming he has any idea what he told it to do

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Solv:

Dagmar, doesn't matter, he can use equery

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directhex|work:

Solv, because unlike with other distros you can't assume sane defaults?

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Solv:

equery uses qt

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Dagmar:

If your libqt is named libqt-mt, it's multithreaded.

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Solv:

directhex|work, yes exactly...

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Dagmar:

If `find /usr /opt -name libqsqlmysql.so` comes up with something, you have the SQL driver

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Solv:

directhex|work, it is well documented that one must be insane before attempting to use gentoo

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Dagmar:

If you can't tell what distro you're using or the question confuses you, maybe Windows is more your speed.

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directhex|work:

Solv, how many loops have you unrolled today?

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Solv:

lmao

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Solv:

my cats breath smells like catfood

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directhex|work:

i bent my wookie :(

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Solv:

hehe

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directhex|work:

so... andjelko... if you actually wanted a reply, we'll need to know what distro you're running

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Chicago:

I think I found a bug... I'm on Gentoo using media-plugins/mythmusic-0.20_p13239. The problem is, mythmusic doesn't update the database with a particular folder in my music directory. I think the problem is because the folder name has parenthesis in it ().

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Dagmar:

So enjoy filing the ticket

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directhex|work:

i think the idea is to confirm it happens for other people too first

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Chicago:

But anyways, there are two other folders which are children of the same parent directory that do have parentheses in them also, and only 1 of the 3 shows up in the music database on import.

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juski:

are parenthesis legal chars to use in filenames? I mean _really_ ?

[09:48:26]

Chicago:

juski: They're legal.

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directhex|work:

juski, everything is on !windows

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juski:

ok then legal but daft

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Chicago:

juski: That's not the point.

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directhex|work:

i have a ♥ in a folder name

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juski:

yes it is

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juski:

end of story, next customer please

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Chicago:

I like to designate folders for an album which is only a single with the ' (Single) ' suffix in the folder name.

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Dagmar:

No, see, the point is that we're supposed to be astonished and titter and then scramble to fix the bug right this momoent.

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directhex|work:

parenthesis are fine. things start to get weird when you have in a filename though

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Chicago:

Besides, it's easier to be critical than it is to be correct. Juski, why are you so argumentative?

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directhex|work:

this ain't ms-dos, arbitrary limits on filena~1.txt shouldn't happen. assuming someone else can actually confirm the problem

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andjelko:

directhex|work: sorry, I am running Slamd64

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Dagmar:

Because *someone* didn't check trac already

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Chicago:

Well... the workflow is create three separate children of a parent directory inside your mythmusic folder... then have an mp3 in those directories and try to import... see if you have the same problem.

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andjelko:

Slackware port to 64 bit

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Dagmar:

andjelko: The answer is yes on both counts

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andjelko:

Dagmar: super !

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juski:

Chicago: it's my perogative. and it's a day that ends in the letter 'y'

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andjelko:

It does compile without any problems, but I wanted to double check the binaries will perform what they are used to

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juski:

you can never get tired of yelling

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Chicago:

lol :)

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, you know off the top of your head that a slackware derivative has multithreaded qt and mysql bindings?

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juski:

oh btw Dagmar you know the ubunut problems? they're still going on with a vengeance. looks like only Fisty Faux was sorted out

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Dagmar:

directhex|work: Considering that I've talked to fred about it, and it's just a "purist" 64-bit port of Slackware, yeah.

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andjelko:

one more question: when run a ./configure script for mythtv plugins, the configure tells me it will not build MythBrowser because if failed KDE dependancies. What do I need from KDE because I have the development packages ?

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Dagmar:

andjelko: God only knows. Install all of KDE

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directhex|work:

juski, which ubuntu problems?

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juski:

directhex|work: random db passwords, yadayadayada

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directhex|work:

juski, the random db passwords are a problem? as long as you leave things blank when asked by debconf, it handles that crap itself

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andjelko:

Dagmar: I knew that much :)

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juski:

directhex|work: yeah but... anyway.

[09:56:27]

juski:

there's still a lot of suckage going on

[09:56:55]

juski:

maybe it's cos users are seeing 'mythtv' in the package list, going ahead installing it without reading any docs whatever

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directhex|work:

juski, much more likely IMHO

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juski:

now there's an idea. do away with the real packages & force the user to RTFM before going ahead with the _real_ packages ;)

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directhex|work:

juski, IME, much more likely to cause problems in debian/ubuntu packages are hostname-related issues. mysql and myth disagreeing over ip addresses to accept connections on

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juski:

no, the majority of shite has been caused by the mythtv mysql user's pw being wrong

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Dagmar:

directhex|work: YEs, well, the difference is that we're not idly speculating

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juski:

or rather, random

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Dagmar:

We see these retards in here daily

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juski:

cos we tell em to look in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt & it sorts stuff out

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juski:

badoom-tish

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Solv:

mysql is quite confusing to a new user...i had to read heaps of the official docs and howtos before I understood aobut why and how pswds worked

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directhex|work:

the idea is probably to keep the database secure whilst not worrying the user about passwords they're unlikely (ha!) to need. from a packaging p[oint of view, that's logical

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Dagmar:

Except that's not the case

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Dagmar:

They NEED the password

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gbee:

hopefully not for much longer

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directhex|work:

when?

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Solv:

if myth included a walkthrough on setup that asked for a password if you haven't already set one, and then did it for you it would be a lot easier for new users...they woudn't need to learn the correct syntax for doing it etc etc

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directhex|work:

the ubuntu problem is the need to install packages in order. when they are, the password thing happens by itself. technically it's correct, since backend doesn't require mysql to be running on the same machine – and frontend doesn't require backend on the same machine.

[10:13:57]

Solv:

i've been using the nvidia-legacy-driver for my nvidia ti4200, just wondering if i can use the normal one, and if so what my chances are of getting better performance?

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Solv:

specifically for using xvmc

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directhex|work:

you need 1.0–96xx legacy for that

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juski:

you stand more changce of xvmc being supported with their binary drivers

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Solv:

my current driver is 1.0.7184

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juski:

plus a ti4200 won't support all the stuff in xvmc

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directhex|work:

you can use legacy 1.0–9631

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directhex|work:

but not non-legacy 1.0–9755

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Solv:

i have to have opngl vsync on, and bob 2x, but it works okay...cept the menu osd is black and white....for whatever reason

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Solv:

directhex|work, ahah

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Solv:

sweet

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juski:

Solv: see the wiki entry about xvmc – it tells you about a hack to get the colour back to the OSD

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Solv:

juscool...reading it now actually...but i didn't see that hack thin, i'll look out for it

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Solv:

juski, sorry that was for you

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Solv:

interesting, it says to turn of vertical sync...i get tearing though....so i think my ti4200 is the issue there

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juski:

yeah but if you change your screen refresh rate to the same as the source material you should be fine IIRC

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Solv:

juski, hmmm...it's on my tv...i think the refresh rates on tvs are 60hz highest

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juski:

so set the X server to refresh at 60hz

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juski:

cos the TV out – if you use a tv out – will always be true to NTSC/PAL refresh rate anyway

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Solv:

juski, oh i see....yeah i think it is

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gbee:

what's te source? ATSC at 60hz, PAL at 50hz?

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Solv:

interesting the xvmc howto doesn't talk about the file you need to create to tell nvidia what library to use

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gbee:

if you use the correct modeline, you should need to force the refresh rate

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Solv:

i had to create this file /etc/X11/XvmCConfig

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Ruleke:

moo

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Solv:

well the xvmc greyscale hack didn't work

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Solv:

does anybody know how to adjust the audio/video sync in mytharchive? My archived iso's are a few seconds out of sync, the files are mpeg2 from a dvb-t stream. I have told it to encode ac3 because i was getting no audio when it used the existing mpeg2 format...any ideas?...i'm not reencoding the video file though as it is already mpeg2....

[11:19:46]

juski:

You don't adjust the a/v sync in mytharchive

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juski:

you can't

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Solv:

okay...i've just found someone else in mythtalk forums with the same issue...but no response

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Dagmar:

Yay

[11:20:35]

Dagmar:

I have the top google hit for "ax ishmael"

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juski:

there aren't many posts on the mythtvtalk forums worthy of a response

[11:21:04]

Dagmar:

Well, on the top page of google hits for it anyway

[11:21:29]

juski:

Solv: try enabling 'run mythtranscode before $whatever"

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Solv:

juski, i'll give it a go

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Solv:

juski, i'm currenlt trying to rencode with a sd profile to see if that affects it

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Solv:

juski, just would be nice and quick if i didn't have to encode anything, seeming as both audio and video are already in DVD format!

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juski:

they ain't

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juski:

them being mpeg2 format doesn't make them DVD compatible

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Dagmar:

DVD format is actually a LOT pickier than "just mpeg"

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Solv:

ah right...there ya go

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juski:

mpeg2 TS streams have loads of extra cruft in em

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gbee:

mythtranscode has a dvd output arg, no idea if it actually does output dvd spec material

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juski:

I've not had any trouble with mytharchive last few times I've tried it with dvb-t recordings

[11:28:46]

juski:

and I have 'always use mythtranscode' checked

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juski:

ojees. there'a this forum user who wants to set up 2 dvd drives in his machine so he can do region 1 & region 2 but is complaining mythdvd only allows one to be configued

[11:30:54]

Solv:

juski, that's a definite "write the code yourself" response

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directhex|work:

erm, why can't he do region everything?

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juski:

"I am not getting the digital channels" – that takes the biscuit

[11:31:41]

directhex|work:

or have i been spoilt by always using vlc for dvd playback?

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gbee:

juski: it does, lets face it, that's a pretty unusual scenario

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juski:

gbee: I'm not knocking myth.. god no.

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juski:

these stupid bloody users

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gbee:

directhex|work: some drives are locked at the hardware level

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gbee:

or do you mean ripping the DVD and playing the iso?

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juski:

gbee: playing it

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juski:

wondered how long it'd be before I was being to feeling overwhelmed by the stupidity of questions there. that's it

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directhex|work:

gbee, i didn't think anything decss-based paid attention to the region code identified by the hardware. i certainly haven't spplied any dodgy replacement drive firmwares for ages

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Solv:

hmmm...still about 3 second behind...i will have to play around

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gbee:

directhex|work: tbh I'm not sure how it's supposed to work, but I thought it was down to the actual hardware refusing to even play a disc with a different region code

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gbee:

however I suppose it would come down to how the disc was actually accessed/played

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Solv:

i know why the xvmc osd hack didn't work...i used the hostname from this machine not the mythbox...woops

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gbee:

if you read it as a simple data source, then the region encoding stuff wouldn't even matter

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andjelko:

howdy

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andjelko:

I have a small problem with mythtv setup

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andjelko:

I am unable to execute /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root -h 'hostname' password 'password'

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andjelko:

anyone have a clue ?

[12:11:01]

andjelko:

also

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fryfrog:

do something else?

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Dagmar:

I think we'll let directhex field this one since he doesn't believe it exists.

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Dagmar:

:)_

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fryfrog:

"mysqladmin -u root -p

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andjelko:

unable to execute mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, he's on an unofficial 64-bit slackware. i don't see how that relates to ubuntu packaging

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andjelko:

fryfrog: that one worked

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fryfrog:

you are probably doing the password part wrong

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fryfrog:

you need a "-p"

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Dagmar:

Oh. Leave out the -h 'hostname' part.

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Dagmar:

You should not need it

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andjelko:

ok

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fryfrog:

and you don't put the pw on the cmdline, generally

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andjelko:

that one was successful

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Dagmar:

I just assumed it was an ubuntu install

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andjelko:

but the next one wasn't

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fryfrog:

though i think if you do, you need to use "-pPAssWorD"

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fryfrog:

"mysql -u root -p < that same crap"

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directhex|work:

what fryfrog said

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andjelko:

I see

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Dagmar:

Don't enter the password as part of the command line arguments. Bad juju, that.

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andjelko:

let me try that

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Dagmar:

Just specifying -p will make it ask you

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fryfrog:

yar, pw on the cmd line is not a wise idea

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fryfrog:

ZOMG CLEAR TEXT ZOMG!

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fryfrog:

though i guess if someone already has a keylogger on your system, it doesn't matter :)

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Dagmar:

Or, as root, edit ~/.my.cnf and add three lines to it. "[client]" then "user=root" then "password=(thepassword)"

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Dagmar:

Any/all mysql client programs should read it

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andjelko:

ha !

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andjelko:

that did it !

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Dagmar:

That way any time you're su'd to root, it'll read from there

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andjelko:

Dagmar: ok will do

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Dagmar:

It *might* be username= and not user=, but at least I'm sure the password= is correct

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andjelko:

ok :)

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andjelko:

Dagmar: do you use mythtv ?

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andjelko:

doh

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fryfrog:

nah

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fryfrog:

most people here don't

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fryfrog:

weird huh?

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andjelko:

really ?

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fryfrog:

we all switched to Vista's MCE

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andjelko:

yeah sure

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andjelko:

anyway

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Dagmar:

Actually, according to what I put in rc.myth-mysqld all it needs is the [client] and password= lines

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fryfrog:

:)

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fryfrog:

i've got a bridge for sale too :)

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Dagmar:

If you're su'd to root, it'll just assume the username 'root'.

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andjelko:

fryfrog: are you in a supported country ?

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Dagmar:

andjelko: I build *packages* of MythTV

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andjelko:

I compiled xmltv but on top of that my country is unsupported...so I am sort of wandering how it will work out...

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fryfrog:

andjelko: supported of what?

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fryfrog:

oh

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directhex|work:

andjelko, digital or analog teevee?

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fryfrog:

i use datadirect, in the USofA

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andjelko:

for channels and stuff

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directhex|work:

andjelko, you might be lucky and get EIT data if you're on digital

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andjelko:

I have a feeling I am not digital...how do I figure this out ?

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directhex|work:

if you don't know, you're not

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andjelko:

so will mythtv work ?

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andjelko:

unsupported country and plus analog...tvtime works well...what about mythtv ?

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Dagmar:

You're still murdering innocent kittens.

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andjelko:

that's gonna be a bummer...got everything working including the remote...

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directhex|work:

it will work, but you won't get any listings. which is sorta useless really

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andjelko:

directhex|work: this is what I want: I want to be able to schedule and record like I can in windows...will I be able to do that ? TvTime is watching only...

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directhex|work:

andjelko, what are you using to schedule in windows? where is it getting schedule information from?

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andjelko:

directhex|work: I'll give you an example: I go to EuroSport's web site, I take a look at their TV schedule, and then I manually schedule the software to record, I define channel start and end time, choose the encoder and that's it

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anykey_:

andjelko: you may need to write a custom grabber for a tvlisting source for your country. where do you live again?

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Ruleke:

andjelko: xmltv will work dine

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Ruleke:

s/dine/fine

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andjelko:

anykey_: I live in Serbia

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goreguts:

andjelko: you can manually schedule recordings like that in mythtv too

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andjelko:

cool

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anykey_:

though it isn't much fun with manual scheduling ;)

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goreguts:

nope, not at all

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andjelko:

anykey_: it will do for starters :)

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anykey_:

andjelko: is there a website that lists the tv programme for your country?

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anykey_:

andjelko: if there is, you can always write a grabber for xmltv

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Ruleke:

doesn't serbia have much of the same channels as there are supported in tv_grab_hr ?

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andjelko:

Ruleke: that could well be the case, but I cannot be certain

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Ruleke:

just try it

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andjelko:

I will, I have support for it in xmltv

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Ruleke:

well then there is no problem

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Ruleke:

I've used it like that for more than a year before I submitted a patch to mythtv to add my country in mythtv-setup ;)

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Ruleke:

I even used to import with the mythfilldatabase --file option iirc...

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Ruleke:

nowadays you can pick a similar grabber and rename your xmltv grabber file, easiest for most people

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Ruleke:

I've seen some stuff in svn that should extend the xmltv stuff in myth so it can grab the capabilities etc autmoatically, not sure what came of that though

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andjelko:

Ruleke: what did you use for starters ?

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andjelko:

what grab format ?

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Ruleke:

just use the xmltv script you want and set it up with mythtv-setup... easiest way

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Ruleke:

alternatively, you need to edit some files :P

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directhex|work:

what's the general preference, xmltv or EIT?

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Ruleke:

eit for me, but that's only possible with digital :)

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Ruleke:

also, I would like to use the EIT data for the channels on my analog card too... not found a decent way to do that :/

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Ruleke:

and EIT is 3 or 4

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directhex|work:

Ruleke, in .uk it's 14 versus 7

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Ruleke:

it doesn't matter, my shows have been programmed long before

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gbee:

Ruleke: what did you mean when you say that you don't know what came of the xmltv changes in mythtv?

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Ruleke:

gbee: I'm not sure if the idea was to just query grabber capabilities or to also query which grabbers are available in mythtv-setup

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gbee:

14 days is nicer if you're going on holiday and want to record films or new series starting more than a week in the future

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gbee:

Ruleke: both

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Ruleke:

well then I don't know what became of it :)

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directhex|work:

i might switch to xmltv. as long as i don't have to use the bloody "add channel $foochannel y/n" configuration

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gbee:

though querying which grabber is available was added long before the capabilities stuff

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Ruleke:

also, the out-of-xmltv-tree grabbers won't work, so I was wondering if it will supersede the hardcoded ones in there now...

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gbee:

Ruleke: it's all in svn and working fine

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Ruleke:

I patched in the one that is outside of xmltv

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gbee:

Ruleke: all the hardcoded ones have been removed, now the list is entirely built using tv_find_grabbers

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Ruleke:

agh

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Ruleke:

will check it thanks

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Ruleke:

wonder how tv_find_grabbers works...

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Ruleke:

hardcoded in xmltv tree or a scan of tv_grab_* or so

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gbee:

so long as the 'out of xmltv' grabbers are updated according to the xmltv specs they'll be found

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Ruleke:

how ?

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gbee:

Ruleke: scan of PATH looking for tv_grab_* and returning all files supporting --description and --capabilities

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Ruleke:

ok

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Ruleke:

that's fine then

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Ruleke:

i'm happy ;)

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Ruleke:

will make sure the python grabber is compliant...

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gbee:

description is used to make the menu entries in mythtv pretty – e.g. the country name instead of the filename

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Ruleke:

or maybe I'll switch it to one in xmltv in perl

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Ruleke:

yeah

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gbee:

capabilities is used so you can exclude grabbers from the list which don't support the ones we need

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gbee:

e.g. baseline and manual

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Ruleke:

yep

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Ruleke:

no worries, so it turned out the 'correct' way :)

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Ruleke:

I hadn't followed up on it

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Merlin83b:

Hello!

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andjelko:

hmmm

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andjelko:

it seems to be working :)

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andjelko:

here's another dilema

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andjelko:

I connect to Internet with PPPoE

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andjelko:

and my IP is dynamically assigned

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andjelko:

how do I get around this problem ?

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Ruleke:

why is that a problem ?

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andjelko:

it isn't ?

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GreyFoxx:

Thast's what I was gonna ask :)

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GreyFoxx:

Why would it be a problem what your external IP changes to ?

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andjelko:

shall I leave the default loopback IP in the config then ?

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purserj:

andjelko: not for your myth box it isn't

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Ruleke:

If you only have a combined frontend/backend, bind it to localhost yes

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GreyFoxx:

Oh, so your myth is running on the same machine that connects to ppoe ?

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gbee:

backend requires a static IP, but it's assumed that would either be the loopback device (127.0.0.1) or a local network IP

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andjelko:

GreyFoxx: yep

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andjelko:

ok, got it

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GreyFoxx:

andjelko: then like gbee said, assign it a static IP on an internal lan or just use 127.0.0.1

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andjelko:

leave it as it is then

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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andjelko:

ok, thanks guys

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andjelko:

will be back, let's see how the config goes

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andjelko:

someone here suggested I make my .my.cnf file

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andjelko:

with [client], username, and password entries

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andjelko:

good deal, it seems to be doing the job properly

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Dagmar:

You can leave out username

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Dagmar:

...unless you wanna stick that same file in your joe user account's homedir as well

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andjelko:

Dagmar: #2

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andjelko:

I am now running the setup as "joe"

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Dagmar:

Basically, anything that links to libmysql (i.e., anything that talks to mysql) is going to read that file looking for the [client] stanza and use those as defaults

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andjelko:

Dagmar: and it's username, not user, just to remind you

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Dagmar:

Just make sure yer password isn't "joe" or the chinese will own that within a day

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andjelko:

it isn't :)

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andjelko:

it's a combination of letters and numbers

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andjelko:

no worries

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Dagmar:

Enh just so long as it's not "joe" it'll stop the brute force scanners

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andjelko:

the way things are going, I'll be needing a new hardrive...

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Dagmar:

Now's a good timme to buy

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andjelko:

Dagmar: I sold my old box and bought a new one

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andjelko:

sorta upgraded

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andjelko:

and the guy was selling me 160GB hdd and I said, I won't need that much...well, I am beginning to change my mind :)

[13:18:17]

Dagmar:

Until you get the hang of what transcoder settings to use to convert things to divx (probably best) after recording you won't need space as badly

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Dagmar:

er s/until/after/;

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directhex|work:

considering 1TiB drives are heading to a store near you...

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andjelko:

Dagmar: what's your box setup ? tv card ?

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directhex|work:

1TB, even

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gbee:

80Gb was enough for me, until I got a 250Gb drive and now I wouldn't want to go back to 80 ;)

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andjelko:

I have two, one IDE 80GB, one SATA 160GB

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directhex|work:

i'm using ~35% of available disk space, but that's not dedicated to myth

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andjelko:

and I have Terratec Cinergy TV 400

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andjelko:

not too shabby

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directhex|work:

where available space is ~1650GiB

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Dagmar:

I think I finally have the basic layout for the live program guide figured out

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Dagmar:

One of these days I will be able to clone graphical styles quickly, but until then...sheesh

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Ruleke:

I have everythign on 4x250 raid5 in the backend, 80 gb frontend

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Dagmar:

I spent most of the night looking at MORE people's shoddy LCARS mockup

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gbee:

but it allows me to keep a few films around as well as my normal recordings without anything expiring before I can watch it

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directhex|work:

sounds like i rin at the moment then o/

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directhex|work:

ein

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directhex|work:

win

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andjelko:

Dagmar: nice

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Ruleke:

win with what ? oh... well I have 95% used so ner :P

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andjelko:

question: VBI format ?

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gbee:

well I've still got a 120 Gb drive in that machine, though only 70Gb of that is available to mythtv

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andjelko:

I imagine it's PAL Teletext...

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gbee:

so it's more like 320Gb

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Dagmar:

andjelko: The irritating thing is that I only bought the second 250Gb about 4 months ago

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Dagmar:

The prices are now less than half what they were then

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andjelko:

Dagmar: well, what can I say

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gbee:

Dagmar: I take it you are using fixes? Or do you just prefer LVM over storage groups?

[13:25:41]

andjelko:

when I bought a box in 2001. I paid 1600 EUR for it

[13:25:57]

andjelko:

I sold it for 120 EUR (less monitor)

[13:26:10]

andjelko:

I added 380 EUR and got a pretty nice setup

[13:26:26]

gbee:

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andjelko:

Dagmar: so, to cry over stuff like this is pointless give the trend of prices for hardware in the past 20 years...

[13:27:13]

andjelko:

give = given

[13:27:24]

Dagmar:

A steady decrease over time, with a heart-stopping plummet at the tail

[13:27:40]

andjelko:

Dagmar: not really

[13:28:03]

Dagmar:

Yes, really.

[13:28:07]

andjelko:

Dagmar: I remember '93 – '96 when CPU speed doubled every 6 months

[13:28:22]

Dagmar:

Prices on high end disks do not typically drop by half in the space of three months

[13:28:26]

andjelko:

imagine, you buy the latest and greatest and in 6 months it's obsolete

[13:28:37]

Dagmar:

Those have been relatively steady for the last decade and then some

[13:28:52]

Dagmar:

No, in 6 months children whine about it.

[13:28:58]

andjelko:

how much did you pay for your 250GB drive ?

[13:29:01]

Dagmar:

It's not obsolete for roughly 48 months

[13:29:19]

andjelko:

Dagmar: I was talking mid '90s

[13:29:20]

Dagmar:

I paid about $200 for the first one, $160 for the second one

[13:29:28]

andjelko:

with regards to 6 month obsolence

[13:29:39]

andjelko:

and how much are they now ?

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Dagmar:

andjelko: And I've been dealing in PC technology since the SX-20 was the leetness

[13:30:00]

Dagmar:

Now they're about $80 and the 500Gb is $150

[13:30:03]

andjelko:

30 years ?

[13:30:26]

andjelko:

a bit less

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directhex|work:

SX-20 would be early 1990s

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Dagmar:

It was what I had that I got from a guy for doing some bookkeeping for him, and then I got shot at a few times and decided it was time to make more people pay me for what I knew

[13:32:13]

andjelko:

ok

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Dagmar:

Before then I was just doing it for giggles... Started with a C=64.

[13:32:36]

andjelko:

I really got into pc tech around '93

[13:32:37]

Dagmar:

Acutally a TI-99/4a

[13:32:50]

Dagmar:

I don't think an Atari 2600 really counts

[13:32:54]

andjelko:

I had Spectrum, remember that ?

[13:32:58]

Dagmar:

Yep

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Ruleke:

ZX Spectrum baby

[13:33:08]

andjelko:

yeah :)

[13:33:14]

andjelko:

then my dad got a PC

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Ruleke:

after that 8088

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Ruleke:

:P

[13:33:28]

andjelko:

and I asked him is it much stronger than Spectrum

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Ruleke:

then on to C64, atari

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andjelko:

and he put it this wway

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Ruleke:

ST1040 etc

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directhex|work:

we had a dragon 32

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directhex|work:

which is like a c64, but welsher

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andjelko:

he said, ZX spectrum has 48k of memory, and this baby has 640K !!! LOL

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Ruleke:

hehe

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Dagmar:

hehe

[13:34:36]

Ruleke:

my ZX didn't have 48k...

[13:34:38]

Ruleke:

16k powah

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directhex|work:

welshness as a measure of computing power

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andjelko:

and when I went to Burma where he had a project for UN, he said the bought a mainframe, and I asked him how big of a disk does mainfraime have, and he said "1 gig" proudly ! LOL

[13:35:24]

Ruleke:

actually we had a ZX81 before

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Ruleke:

1kb :)

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andjelko:

this was 1987

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directhex|work:

actually it's a welsh version of the trash-80 more than anything else

[13:35:54]

Ruleke:

I remember stackign expansions on the thing

[13:36:14]

Ruleke:

then frying the psu

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directhex|work:

http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=117 feel the welshness!

[13:37:24]

Ruleke:

strange it doesn't look like a sheep...

[13:37:40]

Ruleke:

:p

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Dagmar:

It's not really welsh

[13:37:49]

Dagmar:

There's too many vowels on the page

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sivel27:

hello all

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sivel27:

has anyone got to successfully run the mythfrontend from the internet trying to connect to the master server?

[13:42:28]

Dagmar:

There's no reason why they shouldn't be able to

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directhex|work:

you'll need one hell of an intarweb connection to do that properly

[13:42:40]

Dagmar:

HUGE tracts of bandwidth

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sivel27:

everytime i try to, when i click on watch tv, the screen just stays black, and i have to reboot

[13:42:54]

sivel27:

gotcha

[13:42:54]

Dagmar:

hha

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madfactor:

ne1 know of a good place to find a lircd.conf files that works good with xbox controllers?

[13:43:06]

directhex|work:

madfactor, the xbox remote?

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Dagmar:

When did xbox controllers go infrared?

[13:43:21]

madfactor:

No... the xbox controller.

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sivel27:

is there anyway to minimalize the amount of bandwidth?

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directhex|work:

um... the xbox controller is an infra-red remote?

[13:44:00]

Ruleke:

sivel27: don't watch live tv :p

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madfactor:

I had wrote a simple one that mapped to directional pad and a and b for basic functions... but I figured that there was a better one out by now.

[13:44:41]

madfactor:

lircd can be used as used to control many types of devices, not just IR stuff.

[13:44:59]

madfactor:

I am using lircd right now with an xbox controller.

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Ruleke:

sound frankensteinish

[13:45:22]

Ruleke:

why not use the joystick input ?

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madfactor:

I am. (hehe)

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andjelko:

ok

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Ruleke:

I mean the joystick driver

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andjelko:

I did the initial configuration

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Dagmar:

I'm sure you can probably brush your teeth with it, but it was not meant to be used on USB joysticks.

[13:45:49]

andjelko:

Ruleke: I need you now

[13:45:51]

andjelko:

now what ?

[13:46:00]

andjelko:

how do I use that grab_hr stuff ?

[13:46:02]

directhex|work:

uinput is designed for this kind of hax, lirc isn't

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Ruleke:

andjelko: what country did you select ?

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Dagmar:

There is other software specifically meant for dealing with joysticks

[13:46:14]

andjelko:

for xmltv grabber ?

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sivel27:

having said that, i wonder how they do that with the slingbox?

[13:46:17]

Ruleke:

yer

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Dagmar:

If you use lircd for something that's not an infrared device, you're on yer own

[13:46:24]

andjelko:

I said no grabber

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sivel27:

as far as remote tv-watching

[13:46:29]

andjelko:

it didn't offer Croatia

[13:46:41]

andjelko:

I don't know why...

[13:46:46]

andjelko:

I compiled it

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Dagmar:

sivel27: They don't do it across the internet, for one thing

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madfactor:

k thanks.

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andjelko:

it's on the file system

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sivel27:

i thought that is the biggest feature of the sling

[13:47:22]

Ruleke:

andjelko: just move the tv_grab_hr one in place of one with similar functionality then select that country... that's the easy hackish way :P

[13:47:48]

andjelko:

hmmm...I imagine that would be Italy...

[13:47:59]

Dagmar:

sive127: it does, but Myth doesn't, because myth isn't going to recompress your video down to craptacular cablemodem-compatible levels

[13:48:02]

Ruleke:

similar meaning the same amount of days available really :)

[13:48:10]

sivel27:

gotcha

[13:48:11]

Dagmar:

Yoou can *control* your Myth box over the internet with MythWEb just fine

[13:48:16]

sivel27:

thank you

[13:48:29]

Dagmar:

Watching across the internet is something you're going to need to do a lot of modifications for

[13:48:38]

andjelko:

same amount of days ??

[13:48:52]

andjelko:

I think italians have 7 days a week like everyone else...

[13:48:59]

Ruleke:

available in programming

[13:49:14]

Ruleke:

or just change the code

[13:49:41]

Ruleke:

alternatively, you could run the svn version

[13:49:44]

andjelko:

...

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Ruleke:

that will let you select _hr

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sivel27:

im having a hell of a time getting my ir to work

[13:50:04]

Ruleke:

andjelko: just test it with Netherlands

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andjelko:

ok

[13:50:12]

andjelko:

let me try

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sivel27:

ive got the pvr150 mce edition with the "beanbag" usb>ir transmitter

[13:51:54]

sivel27:

ive been hearing alot about a ir-blaster, so the serial>usb works well with all kinds of sat/cable boxes?

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andjelko:

that doesn't work

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andjelko:

netherlands will not work here :)

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andjelko:

ah

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andjelko:

mythfilldatabase --manual ?

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andjelko:

run that first maybe ?

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andjelko:

ok

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andjelko:

I've had enough for now...need to do some more reading

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andjelko:

thanks all, see you soon

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TSCHAKWerk:

morning.

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directhex|work:

is it? :o

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TSCHAKWerk:

heheh

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juski:

feels more like bedtime. I'm knackered. had death by Powerpoint already today

[14:09:02]

** TSCHAKWerk is still pissed from last night **

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TSCHAKWerk:

firewire...encrypted....

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TSCHAKWerk:

*cries*

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juski:

yay for the big & clever stuff that is imbibing too much fralcyhols the night before

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tzanger:

fralcyhols?

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juski:

boozes

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Merlin83b:

Heh

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Merlin83b:

How's tricks, juski?

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directhex|work:

i had many boozes on friday

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juski:

walked into the middle of what looked like a 'Skins' shoot on Friday night.. 5th Ave ;)

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directhex|work:

i even quaffed mead

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tzanger:

I gotta figure out how to get the system to auto-expire certain channels immediately after leaving watching them... don't want to explian porn to the kids yet

[14:10:52]

fryfrog:

abhahahahaha

[14:10:58]

Merlin83b:

Oh boy, I haven't been to 5th Ave for about 8 years.

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juski:

Merlin83b: double vodka & imitation RedBull... £2.00

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fryfrog:

tzanger: the drawbacks to saving "livetv "/

[14:11:20]

juski:

I was wishing I was abuot 15 years younger

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Merlin83b:

Yeah, I'll give you that it's cheap.

[14:11:30]

Merlin83b:

Firday night we went to 235 and had free cocktails :)

[14:11:33]

juski:

best night out in _ages_

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Merlin83b:

Cool

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tzanger:

fryfrog: indeed

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juski:

that in that spazzy new tower with aHilton on top?

[14:12:02]

Merlin83b:

In the great northern – the new(ish) casino.

[14:12:04]

Merlin83b:

Heh

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Merlin83b:

No that's cloud 23. Not been there yet.

[14:12:22]

Merlin83b:

And the Hilton's on the bottom :-P

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TSCHAKWerk:

"Well, you see son, when you get ... 'older'.. you have to deal with these things...called....hormones....which,... cause you to not think with your brain....."

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

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juski:

cloud 23.. as pretentious place names go that's way up there

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Ruleke:

beats cloud 9

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juski:

TSCHAKWerk: we call that 'SkyAgra' here

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Merlin83b:

Yep, heard many pretentious things about it. Like the bouncers will make people queue just to make it look busy when hardly anyone's in there.

[14:13:19]

Merlin83b:

If you're going to 5th Ave, you may as well give Poptastic a go.

[14:13:21]

TSCHAKWerk:

juski: that brings to mind that scene with Val Kilmer and that girl in "Real Genius" :-P

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juski:

Merlin83b: poptastic? get a shag tag? ;)

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TSCHAKWerk:

"Can you hammer a six inch nail through a board with your penis? ... not right now. A girl's gotta have her standards." :-P

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Merlin83b:

You kind of have to, then you also have to take it off as soon as you're in :)

[14:14:08]

juski:

in Mutz Nutz.. took me ages to get that

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Merlin83b:

And stick it to anyone's back you can get to.

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juski:

hahaha

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Merlin83b:

It's not called that anymore, but yeah that place.

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juski:

I just wear my wedding ting. usually works

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juski:

*ring

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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Ruleke:

rooster-ring ? :)

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juski:

so er.. yeah.. life is good. too old for that sort of marlarkey but there's gonna be a good few more leaving do's from work soon

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Merlin83b:

Cool

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juski:

Rain Bar, followed by Fab Cafe, then O'Shea's then the 5th ave

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juski:

easiest best night since that time in the Footage & Firkin on a Thurs night :)

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Merlin83b:

All good places :)

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Merlin83b:

Friday was sandbar, EastZEast, 235 and bed.

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juski:

dancing on tables, in manchester, with _its_ reputation? ;)

[14:17:13]

Merlin83b:

Um, sleep bed, not bed under Tribeca, that is.

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Merlin83b:

lol

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juski:

actually as I got into rain Bar somebody shouted my name – funny cos nobody from work had yet turned up. had a horrible feeling I might've been spotted by someone out of ere

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Merlin83b:

lol

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Merlin83b:

I wouldn't know what you looked like anyway.

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Zider:

juski: what would be horrible about that?

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Ruleke:

you were wearing a mythtv tshirt weren't you :)

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juski:

er.. you mean apart from the vibe I usually exude...

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juski:

Ruleke: yeah.. my mythtv 'pulling' T-shirt :-P

[14:20:45]

Ruleke:

your juski-sense was tingling :)

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Ruleke:

besides, we would call out your nick :)

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Zider:

I wouldn't know how to pronounce it :P

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juski:

well, safe to say we had some laughs at LWE last year. I wish I could do it again but without all the inane q's abuot mythtv

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juski:

well, on the bright side nobody approached me in a big group caryying a noose

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Zider:

hehe

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Zider:

or a hugme-sweater :)

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juski:

dsp_reset 0

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juski:

arse

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Merlin83b:

What does that second command do?

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Ruleke:

calls for father Ted

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Zider:

Ted Arse?

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TSCHAKWerk:

okay...

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TSCHAKWerk:

I guess i'll just get another usb tuner, and plug the cable box into it. :-(

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** TSCHAKWerk feels defeated. **

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juski:

still can't help wondering if we should have a mythtv shindig here sometime

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: where is here?

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juski:

the 'North' of England

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TSCHAKWerk:

manchester?

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Dagmar:

Ooo we can hit on manchester girls

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Dagmar:

Sounds like it's working fine to me

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TSCHAKWerk:

heheh

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juski:

mmm. need coffee

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johnnysch:

any pcHDTV5500 users online here? Having problems with myth and that card not working well, and can't find any definitive answers.

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TheOuch:

Sorry — I did HDHomerun && PVR_550

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fryfrog:

550?

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fryfrog:

or 500?

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TheOuch:

err 500

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johnnysch:

apparently there's a known issue, but not much in the way of documents for know workarounds.

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padd173:

If I install 2 hauppauge 150 cards to grab 2 channels, do i need a tv signal cable running into both of them?

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Dagmar:

ddYes.

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padd173:

thx

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Dagmar:

Unless, of course, you like recording snow

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padd173:

no no

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padd173:

snow is nice in winter

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Zider:

snow is what makes winter winter.. :)

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fryfrog:

ahha

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fryfrog:

that was my favorite question of the day :)

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fryfrog:

if you get 1x PVR500, you'll only need to run one cable to it :)

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ectospasm:

is that true? I was planning on getting a 500

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TheOuch:

fryfrog: What? I had to run two to mine

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TheOuch:

There are two inputs

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jams:

i only needed to run one coax cable

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TheOuch:

Were there two inputs?

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fryfrog:

TheOuch: you should read the back of the card :)

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fryfrog:

one is an FM ant input, one is a cable input :)

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TheOuch:

transcoding isn't working for me — any ideas: http://www.frascone.com/transcode_log.txt

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TheOuch:

fryfrog: rofl

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raceme:

perhaps it's a FAq but i didn't find it: if i install several backends and frontends, must they share the same mount point (via nfs or samba) ?

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** TheOuch is a maroon **

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fryfrog:

raceme: yes or no!

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xris:

raceme: for mythvideo/mythmusic, yes... for recordings, no, but it still a good idea for them to match

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fryfrog:

raceme: to me, i figure that NFS was *designed* for sharing files... so i'd rather use that than myth's own protocol :)

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fryfrog:

plus, it just makes things easier

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fryfrog:

the annoying thing though is that they ahve to be in the *same* place on all of em

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raceme:

i will install 2 backends and 1 frontend. May I share the same location for the 3 of them ?

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fryfrog:

so i just nfs export /data on the server and mount it in /data on all the clients

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fryfrog:

raceme: thats what i do

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fryfrog:

used to be 2 be, 2 fe (but just 2 systems)

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fryfrog:

now its 1 be, 2 fe (same two systems)

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TheOuch:

Any ideas on the transcoding?

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TheOuch:

I'm running svn

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raceme:

fryfrog: thanks :)

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raceme:

xris: what about "for recording" ?

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fryfrog:

it works fine for recording too

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TheOuch:

Keep in mind, you may have to type slowly — I'm the idiot that plugged two cable connections into his pvr-500

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fryfrog:

as long as you have the network bandwidth

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xris:

raceme: recording == tv

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raceme:

fryfrog and xris do not agree :)

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gbee:

you don't _need_ nfs/samba, but you can use it if you want

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gbee:

personally I don't see the point

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raceme:

gbee: what about performances ?

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gbee:

it's an extra level of configuration which is the last thing people really want when using mythtv

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fryfrog:

raceme: what do you mean? he was just pointing that "watching tv" in mythv *IS* recording

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gbee:

raceme: has no effect on performance at all

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fryfrog:

gbee: yeah, but if you are setting up NFS *anyway*, where is the added configuration?

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gbee:

all it might do is save you buying serveral large disks, if you just share the one between a single backend

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fryfrog:

and you can tune NFS a lot more than you can the myth protocol :)

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raceme:

it is not a problem for me to install nfs; but if it is not better with NFS, let's go without it.

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gbee:

err, by "single" I mean "multiple"

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fryfrog:

raceme: ah, well its probably not *better* either way

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fryfrog:

in fact, if you have two backends and they'll *each* have drives in them... it'd probably be *better* for myth not using NFS

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gbee:

fryfrog: but again, it's not needed – I'm not aware that anyone has had problems with the performance or efficiency of the streaming

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raceme:

in fact one backend will have a small disk or even diskless anyway

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fryfrog:

so you have 4 tuners that can record to 4 different locations (making iobound issues a thing of the past)

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xris:

raceme: nfs means you're sharing a single drive for all of your recordings on each backend. If you only have one backend, it really doesn't make much of a difference. if you don't mount the recordings directory locally on a frontend, the files stream from the backend over myth's own protocol

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gbee:

you do need *either* a disk per backend OR use NFS

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fryfrog:

the frontends will stream from the be that recorded it

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gbee:

but frontends can stream without the need for nfs

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raceme:

ok for backend <-> frontend

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fryfrog:

why are you going to have 2 backends?

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raceme:

for my diskless backend; it will write via nfs, that's a fact. But must it have it's own location or can/should it write in the same location that the other backend ?

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fryfrog:

a single sytem can *easily* handle 4x SD type cards

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fryfrog:

raceme: it can/shoudl write to the same location

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fryfrog:

(using nfs)

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raceme:

fryfrog: 2 backends because 2 boxes with different hardware

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fryfrog:

and imho, 4 HD streams isn't a big deal either

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fryfrog:

sorry, i still don't understand :)

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fryfrog:

raceme: I have a BE with 2x PCI air2pc HDTV cards and 2x firewire STBs hooked to it

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fryfrog:

until comcast screwed around with their HD QAM setup, it recorded 4 streams like a little champ

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tzanger:

heh did I tell ya'll I found a heisenbug in minimyth? for some reason I canoot sync up to tic.nrc.ca with ntpd unless I turn on the debugging flag. (i.e. ntpdate -d tic.nrc.ca) — otherwise it just times out

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raceme:

fryfrog: ok so i'll try at first with a backend on a p4/3Gb box with my old bt848 and free adsl TV; and a frontend on my old epia 800 / 256 box

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fryfrog:

oh, blech

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fryfrog:

a bt848?

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fryfrog:

why?

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fryfrog:

oh, you mean for testing?

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raceme:

because i only have that for now and i want to know if my old epia box will handle the frontend

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fryfrog:

ahhh

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raceme:

it's a via c3/800 with 256 Mb; i'm not sure that it will be sufficient. And I have a problem with TV output which does not work so I use a monitor right now.

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fryfrog:

for SD, it'd probabbly work but be* REAL* close

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fryfrog:

the bt848 is actually going to make it worse

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fryfrog:

in fact, with *that* card i'd wager it'd suck

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raceme:

fryfrog: this is why i will put the bt card in the p4 machine and use only the frontend on the epia

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

then later, you'll ditch the 800mhz epia :)

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raceme:

ok thanks for you answers fryfrog gbee and xris ... time to go home and test that

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TSCHAKWerk:

fryfrog: found out today CCI is set on everything but local with Comcast/Boston.

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TSCHAKWerk:

erm, last night rather.

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Tommck:

any mame users here?

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Tommck:

I can't seem to find out what "SDL mame" even means

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TSCHAKWerk:

Tommck: a version of mame linked against the SDL library.

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Tommck:

and SDL is?

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TSCHAKWerk:

Tommck: has been merged into the latest versions of MAME itself...

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TSCHAKWerk:

Tommck: the Simple Directmedia Layer library.. cross platform graphics library.

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Tommck:

ahhh.. ok

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Dagmar:

Dude, http://www.google.com

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Tommck:

yeah..> I did... I googled a lot

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Dagmar:

No, you did not.

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Tommck:

looking for "Mame SDL" found me TONS of references to Mame and SDL...

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Tommck:

and nothing that defined what it was

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Tommck:

Could have mean "simple data layer" or anything...

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Tommck:

mame.net doesn't define it.

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Tommck:

it just gives you the options

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Dagmar:

...and apparently you're not smart enough to search for 'sdl mame' or to actually put both words in the same block of quotes

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Dagmar:

Just because you are too n00b to use google doesn't mean it doesn't exist

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Tommck:

uhh.. hey dumbass... I searched on that exact phrase

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TSCHAKWerk:

Dagmar: calm down. :-)

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TSCHAKWerk:

both of you.

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Tommck:

I've been using the internet since 1993, I think I know how to search

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Dagmar:

TSCHAKWerk: Tell the dipshit calling people names to chill

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Dagmar:

Guess what, chimpy. You *still* haven't been online as long as I have.

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Tommck:

congratulations... do you want a cookie?

[17:00:09]

TSCHAKWerk:

okay guys, put the cocks away...

[17:00:20]

TSCHAKWerk:

. o O (for the record, I probably trump you all, but...)

[17:00:28]

Dagmar:

At least my schlong can use a search engine

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psofa:

lol

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psofa:

at least something interesting to watch

[17:00:49]

TSCHAKWerk:

....

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Tommck:

feel free to tell me on which page of a google search for "sdl mame" actually DEFINES it

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psofa:

go on

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mkrufky:

ah, finally... im not bored anymore

[17:01:28]

Dagmar:

First page, fourth hit takes you straight to http://rbelmont.mameworld.info/?page_id=163

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Dagmar:

Dumbass

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Tommck:

all I get is "A new SDL compiled version..."

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TSCHAKWerk:

Tommck: a search for SDL on google is usually sufficient.

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TSCHAKWerk:

Tommck: SDL ... I'm feeling Lucky

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Tommck:

that doesn't help

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Dagmar:

Go piss off the people in #mame then

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Tommck:

I wondered why I haven't been active here lately...

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TSCHAKWerk:

yikes.

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Tommck:

it's all those helpful people

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TSCHAKWerk:

man what's with the venom?

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Dagmar:

It's time to go back under your bridge, troll.

[17:02:16]

TSCHAKWerk:

xanax all around.

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Tommck:

ok... google is different for everyone... don't know if you knew that or not

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Tommck:

I don't see that link on the first 2 pages

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** psofa claps! fight! **

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mkrufky:

if you think THIS is fun, try asking a stupid question in ##php ... I'll run over there to watch the fallout

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TSCHAKWerk:

Tommck: google US?

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Tommck:

yes

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Dagmar:

It must be sending you only links with very small words then

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Tommck:

it is different for everyone..

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Dagmar:

No, it's not actually.

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Tommck:

based on previous searches, etc..

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TSCHAKWerk:

.......

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Tommck:

yes it is..

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Tommck:

it also depends on the reaction times of the different servers

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Tommck:

some results are dropped because the machines don't respond in time..

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Dagmar:

Hey, the bottom line is, it's not our fault you're a moron. Deal with it.

[17:03:27]

Tommck:

feel free to read up on Google's algo

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Dagmar:

This isn't the "Help me find out about video games channel"

[17:03:34]

psofa:

oh come on! we need better words. Dumbass,moron are like 1st grade

[17:03:41]

Dagmar:

In the meantime, enjoy the ignore list, chump

[17:03:44]

TSCHAKWerk:

okay guys

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TSCHAKWerk:

subject change, now.

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TSCHAKWerk:

this is accomplishing nothing.

[17:03:58]

psofa:

it is

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Tommck:

yeah... there was one person (not responding) on #mame or I would have stayed there, believe me

[17:04:01]

psofa:

i was pretty bored

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Tommck:

I know how helpful everyone is here

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Dagmar:

Of course it's not. He's not interested in doing anything other than demanding people give him answers.

[17:04:33]

Dagmar:

No one likes being turned into a search engine reader for the pathologically dim.

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Tommck:

Dagmar – you are way off base

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psofa:

oh come on! why are you being so civil

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psofa:

i want a fight

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Tommck:

I have never run or tried mame before... I was trying to tell the differences between versions... mame.net doesn't tell you explicitly, which I find kind of silly

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Tommck:

psofa – I'm mature?

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psofa:

no civil!=mature

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psofa:

i mean you are both pussies

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Dagmar:

Nah, I got better things to do with my time than play with kiddies.

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psofa:

fight!

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Tommck:

psofa :)

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Dagmar:

It's been my experience that people who've decided to be stupid, will stay stupid, no matter what you do or say.

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psofa:

thats nice

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psofa:

go on

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psofa:

civil but harse

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psofa:

i like it

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Tommck:

Dag – why such ridiculous animosity?

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mkrufky:

ok, now you're beating a dead horse

[17:07:35]

Tommck:

besides the obvious part of me being 34 years old

[17:07:40]

Dagmar:

psofa: Happy now?

[17:07:51]

psofa:

it was nice for a start

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mkrufky:

personally, i think http://justfuckinggoogleit.com is way better

[17:08:18]

TSCHAKWerk:

Tommck: I believe you got the answer you were looking for.

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Tommck:

mkrufky – it is ... but I tried google a lot

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knowledgejunkie:

Tommck: I joined the channel just after this started. If you want Google to try and define SDL for you, then you can search for "define:SDL".

[17:08:46]

TheOuch:

transcoding isn't working for me — any ideas: http://www.frascone.com/transcode_log.txt

[17:08:49]

mkrufky:

Tommck: i'm just having fun... IMHO, you shouldnt be afraid to ask anybody a question. anybody has the right to ignore you

[17:08:51]

Tommck:

I just didn't find something definitive that said "SDL Mame = Mame compiled with the SDL cross platform library" or something to that effect

[17:08:59]

TSCHAKWerk:

Tommck: as for setting up MAME, you'll need to do a slot of searching to get things tweaked correctly.

[17:09:15]

Tommck:

mkrufky – yeah, but some people enjoy being dicks and harrassing you when you ask an honest question

[17:09:19]

TSCHAKWerk:

Tommck: and configuring the emulators for mythgame use takes a TON of time and patience.

[17:09:22]

Tommck:

TSCHAKWerk – that's my impression

[17:09:23]

mkrufky:

i know, trust me

[17:09:24]

sdlnxgk:

ok crazy ? resized my desktop and now on the kicker desktop names are not showing full size what gives??

[17:09:36]

mkrufky:

i had a 3 month disappearance from this room last time i was treated that way

[17:09:51]

Tommck:

yeah... it happens a lot here...

[17:10:05]

TSCHAKWerk:

Tommck: your biggest issues are going to be, (1) video parameters, and (2) joystick mapping.. (2) is much easier to deal with.. (1) requires a lot of trial and error, no real way around that.

[17:10:09]

Tommck:

especially if you try to criticize the way the software's organized/written/designed

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sdlnxgk:

opps !!! sorry wrong channel :)

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TSCHAKWerk:

Tommck: and for obvious reasons, we can't discuss certain aspects of emulation in here.

[17:11:08]

Tommck:

TSCHAKWerk so.. the SDL libs don't use X at all?

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mkrufky:

well, i can in here asking questions about a certain hardware platform. i was yelled at for asking the question. what the guy didnt know is that the vendor of that platform had emailed *me* asking me to port mythfrontend

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Tommck:

TSCHAKWerk – yeah... understand

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mkrufky:

s/can/came

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Tommck:

mkrufky – nice

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mkrufky:

not like i was goign to do it anyway, but no i lost interest entirely

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** mkrufky clears his throat **

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mkrufky:

better to speak nicely to people, IMHO, even if you dont want to answer their questions

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TSCHAKWerk:

Tommck: the SDL libs use whatever graphics library is available to the underlying operating system.. Linux/UNIX.. it uses X, or GL.... Mac (Quartz), Windows (GDI/DirectX)

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Tommck:

TSCHAKWerk – ahh.. ok... but it uses them at a low enough level that there are still display issues...

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TSCHAKWerk:

Tommck: honestly, the best thing you can do.... is to do an xmame -showconfig > ~/.xmame/xmamerc

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TSCHAKWerk:

Tommck: and fiddle appropriately

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Tommck:

:)

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Tommck:

cool

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TSCHAKWerk:

don't even BOTHER with the manpages, they are out of date.

[17:13:45]

TSCHAKWerk:

that's all I'll say. but it should give you enough of a direction to go.

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TheOuch:

Does anyone else have transcode issues with svn?

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Tommck:

I'll check it out when I have the proper amount of time to dedicate

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Tommck:

and I'll be sure to ask Dagmar if I have any more questions

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TSCHAKWerk:

TheOuch: I haven't been able to run mythtranscode since I built my last unit.

[17:14:17]

Dagmar:

mkrufy: Oh, you left this channel for three months when someone told you you hadn't actually Googled?

[17:14:35]

TheOuch:

So — I can then assume that svn transcoding is broken?

[17:14:45]

Dagmar:

mkrufky: Because basically, that's what caused him to start calling me names.

[17:14:50]

TheOuch:

Should I have transcode installed, or does myth do it's own?

[17:14:54]

TSCHAKWerk:

I really have no idea.. it may very well be that I have something misconfigured.

[17:14:54]

Tommck:

who called who names?

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TSCHAKWerk:

nope guys

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TSCHAKWerk:

just walk away.

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Dagmar:

mkrufky: C'mon... Take a crack at finding what "sdl mame" is with Google and then tell us that it was hard, keeping a straight face

[17:15:31]

Dagmar:

He wasn't "treated like that"

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mkrufky:

Dagmar: I asked about the NeurOS OSD, and YOU yelled at me

[17:15:34]

Dagmar:

He was a dick.

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TSCHAKWerk:

jesus tittyfucking.....

[17:15:57]

Dagmar:

mkrufky: Doubtful, becuase I don't know _what_ NeurOS OSD is

[17:15:58]

mkrufky:

i was thinking of porting mythfrontend to it.... after receiving an email from the Neuros guys ....

[17:16:10]

mkrufky:

well it was you... its water under the bridge now

[17:16:11]

Tommck:

I was a dick? I google searched for 15 minutes trying to find a definition.... you called me "not smart enough to use Google"... and I'm the dick?

[17:16:25]

mkrufky:

ie: no need to apologize — it was too long ago

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Tommck:

I found shitloads of stuff talking about "sdl mame".. nothing that said which "SDL" that was

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Dagmar:

I'm rather picky about what I'll carp on people about

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Tanthrix:

Ha...

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TSCHAKWerk:

yeesh

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** Tanthrix stumbles back into bed **

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** TSCHAKWerk passes around a bowl of prozac **

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mkrufky:

if you _really_ want me to, i'll dig up the logs

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mkrufky:

i think it doesnt matter anynmore, though

[17:18:00]

Dagmar:

Well, astonishingly, I had no trouble finding that hardware you're talking about using Google, so I can only hazard you made it sound like you didn't have a clue what was in the box or something

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Tommck:

you called me a "dipshit" a "troll" and a "dumbass" and repeatedly called me stupid. I called you "dumbass" once... so you MUST be the bigger man... pardon ME for calling you names and hurting your feelings

[17:18:27]

mkrufky:

i asked the question "is anybody working on mythfrontend for NeurosOSD"

[17:18:33]

Dagmar:

You may have noticed a trend of people just blindly asking "Has it been ported to AppleTV/PS3/Slingbox/Cray/Wind-upPocketwatches"

[17:18:46]

mkrufky:

so, maybe i asked during a bad time :-P

[17:19:05]

mkrufky:

i just wanted to know whether or not somebody was already working on it, cuz i didnt want to do double-work

[17:19:22]

Dagmar:

Enh, I'd have asked on the ML

[17:19:30]

mkrufky:

but, TBH, i think maybe the frontend is too intense for that platform

[17:19:46]

Dagmar:

Well, it might handle SD content

[17:19:58]

mkrufky:

yes, it definately can

[17:20:06]

mkrufky:

thats what its meant for, actually

[17:20:10]

mkrufky:

its a pretty cool device

[17:20:10]

TSCHAKWerk:

okay, everybody do this exercise with me now.... say the following words out loud: WE SOFA KING WE TODD ED.

[17:20:22]

Tommck:

TSCHAKWerk :)

[17:20:25]

mkrufky:

...and would be even cooler once connected to a mythbackend over the network

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Dagmar:

mkrufty: The odds are actually pretty high that if they got Linux on it, and it can do what they say it can, then someone could get Mythfrontend on it

[17:21:20]

Dagmar:

...provided it's not stuck like TiVo with no actual opensource drivers for the chipsets

[17:21:26]

mkrufky:

yup ... i was going to be that someone ... months ago

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mkrufky:

but im not, now .. too busy fgor it

[17:21:57]

mkrufky:

working on new silicon, instead

[17:22:08]

Dagmar:

I see one problem tho

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Dagmar:

It don't seem to have a NIC port. :/

[17:22:23]

mkrufky:

there's new atsc stuff coming out..... hopefully my driver will be ready before the first hits the shelves

[17:22:27]

mkrufky:

yes, there is a NIC

[17:22:53]

mkrufky:

i think each model has a NIC

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mkrufky:

i have the "OSD" model

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Dagmar:

Ah there we go... You'd think they'd have listed that in the specs list

[17:23:41]

Dagmar:

I see it in the blowup pic

[17:24:00]

mkrufky:

heheh

[17:24:27]

Dagmar:

I also get the feeling it might be easier to get their _native_ app to read an exported fileshare and maybe query the backend about the files

[17:24:39]

mkrufky:

for some reason, i was under the impression that there was already a project with ppl working on mythfrontend for NeurosOSD, but i havent found anything via google (yet)

[17:25:04]

mkrufky:

well, if i were to do it, i would probably ditch their native app and have it boot directly into mythfrontend

[17:25:16]

mkrufky:

but yes — thats a lot more work

[17:25:54]

mkrufky:

i think it would be difficult to fit all the code into the flash memory also.... propably would have to boot off the net

[17:26:04]

mkrufky:

ok, so yeah,,,, native app strategy might be better

[17:26:13]

Dagmar:

Yep

[17:26:23]

mkrufky:

Tommck: maybe there's a hardware mpeg decoder

[17:26:25]

Dagmar:

It's already apparently got most of the key parts needed to make that "go".

[17:26:37]

Dagmar:

It sez it'll play media from "PC/Internet*"

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Tommck:

mkrufky – yeah... but, even with XvMC on my P4 3.2GHz, it uses about 29% of the CPU to play 1080i (last I checked)

[17:27:23]

Tommck:

and this is a VIA processor he's talking about

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TSCHAKWerk:

I'm fully throttling up to 2Ghz to view ANY HD content, 1080i or 720p

[17:28:15]

TSCHAKWerk:

and using anywhere from 45% to 69% CPU

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Tommck:

TSCHAKWerk – no XvMC or anything?

[17:28:23]

TSCHAKWerk:

with XvMC

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Tommck:

wow

[17:28:35]

TSCHAKWerk:

and using the Kernel deinterlacer.

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Tommck:

that's what I'm using

[17:28:44]

TSCHAKWerk:

I'm pulling my HD off the firewire.

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Tommck:

mine's off ATSC broadcast

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TSCHAKWerk:

which really @#$(@#$(@# bites

[17:29:13]

Dagmar:

Did you enable UseEvents?

[17:29:13]

TSCHAKWerk:

because only my locals are in the clear

[17:29:14]

Tommck:

yep

[17:29:37]

Tommck:

UseEvents?

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mkrufky:

Tommck: i was suggesting that maybe this ME6000 might have a dedicated mpeg decoder chip ... anything is possible

[17:30:07]

Tommck:

mkrufky – yeah... true...

[17:30:22]

TSCHAKWerk:

i mean, jesus... there HAS to be a way to get a full resolution capture into mythtv consistently

[17:30:24]

Tommck:

I'm just looking to make a fanless front-end and want to make sure it can do HD

[17:30:37]

mkrufky:

(although doubtful, i think..... i only know of very few HD mpeg decoder chips that are supported by linux)

[17:30:44]

TSCHAKWerk:

even if I have to get a freakin component to SDI converter to firewire :-P

[17:30:46]

Dagmar:

TSCHACK: The UseEvents token is relatively new to the nVidia driver, and will make the thing stop using what amounts to a spinlock that XvMC does

[17:31:03]

mkrufky:

I think AppleTV is a good candidate for a fanless frontend

[17:31:06]

TSCHAKWerk:

Dagmar: Option "UseEvents" ?

[17:31:08]

mkrufky:

it's only $300

[17:31:19]

TSCHAKWerk:

Dagmar: n/m i'll look it up.

[17:31:20]

mkrufky:

and i hear it runs linux just fine. it's got HDMI outs

[17:31:22]

Tommck:

mkrufky – and AppleTV is HD?

[17:31:31]

mkrufky:

with HDMI outs, it BETTER be HD

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Tommck:

interesting

[17:31:45]

** Tommck has an old TV that does not have HDMI **

[17:31:59]

Dagmar:

TSCHAK: I generally reread nVidia's readme every 2–3 reinstalls becuase they're constantly doing little changes and upgrades like that one. My boss noticed it before I did

[17:32:07]

Dagmar:

oof they're chasing me out of hte office. later

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TSCHAKWerk:

i'm really starting to wonder if firewire just is completely fucking useless...

[17:32:22]

TSCHAKWerk:

Dagmar: thanks.

[17:32:22]

mkrufky:

later, Dagmar

[17:32:56]

TSCHAKWerk:

is anyone using mythtv on an HD dish in the US?

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Tommck:

TSCHAKWerk – no... I don't think you can record the Dish stuff

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-(

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Tommck:

unless there are firewire interfaces to those

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TSCHAKWerk:

again, DTCP

[17:33:30]

Tommck:

I don't know... if you could, that would rock..

[17:33:37]

Tommck:

DTCP?

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TSCHAKWerk:

firewire copy protection

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TSCHAKWerk:

aka 5C

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Tommck:

Don't Teach Corporal Punishment? ;)

[17:33:55]

TSCHAKWerk:

if 5C is on, you're screwed.

[17:34:00]

Tommck:

I'm sure it would be

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TSCHAKWerk:

it's just....aaggghhhh...

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TSCHAKWerk:

i either use the god awful crappy consumer DVRs, or .... just watch.

[17:35:16]

Tommck:

hmm... a 1.5GHz Via C3 should probably be able to play HD...

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Tommck:

brb

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Zider:

C7 ftw :D

[17:36:31]

TSCHAKWerk:

I _really_ am tempted to just open up my box and fiddle around with a logic probe to see if i see a TS anywhere.

[17:36:57]

Tommck:

Zider – fanless?

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TSCHAKWerk:

it's probably just sitting there, waiting to be lifted with a drill, some solder, and a few wires.

[17:38:09]

Zider:

Tommck: upto 1GHz yes

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Tommck:

this looks interesting: http://www.mini-itx.com/store/configure.asp?sid=HUSH-B1

[17:38:26]

Tommck:

Zider – oh... I want something completely fanless that can do HD... hoping I can figure that out

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Zider:

Tommck: C7 is faster per MHz than C3, so it'd probably even out ;)

[17:39:20]

Tommck:

Zider – you think it can handle HD?

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Zider:

Tommck: have no idea, but I do know that VIA is releasing a C7-based mini-ITX this autumn that has a HDTV-capable graphics chip and stuff, with C7 1.0 or 1.5GHz

[17:40:44]

Tommck:

hmm... interesting

[17:41:04]

Tommck:

I really want to get rid of the PC noise from my front end... don't want to have to put it in a different room

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bluey-:

is it possible to downclock a core2 to run it passive?

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Zider:

bluey-: probably.. my core2 runs cool with std clocking and no fan.. :)

[17:47:00]

Tommck:

would a Pentium-M 1.4GHz work for HD?

[17:47:43]

bluey-:

at which clock? i think a gma3000 could be great for an frontend

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Zider:

bluey-: 2,4GHz E6600

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Tommck:

ahh.. I'll do some searching...

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bluey-:

nice :)

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bluey-:

Zider: do you use a special case or something for better cooling? and what about the Power supply

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Tommck:

Zider – which Core2?

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Zider:

it's a compucase if I'm not mistaken, a silent case (chassi fans on lowest RPM) with a 300W ATX

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Zider:

Tommck: E6600

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Tommck:

oh... so there are fans

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** Tommck wants fanless **

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Zider:

case fans yes, but no cpu fan

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Zider:

this box is a server/ws after all

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** Tommck wants no fans in the room **

[17:56:40]

Zider:

well actually, it has a cpu fan, I just know the cpu is cool without it

[17:57:20]

Tommck:

I want to do a diskless, fanless front end...

[17:58:19]

Zider:

one of the mobile versions would be better then I'd guess

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Tommck:

yeah... just have to figure out how little I can spend :)

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Tommck:

Zider – still there?

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Zider:

Tommck: yes

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Tommck:

found a good fanless option, I think...

[18:13:23]

Zider:

oh?

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Tommck:

http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/c . . . ducts_id/638

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Tommck:

drop in a fanless FX5200 card in that (disable the Intel on-board)...

[18:14:05]

Tommck:

put a 1.8GHZ Pentium-M in and 512MB... it's about $875

[18:14:22]

Tommck:

gotta dig up an OLD fanless PCI card though

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Zider:

no agp?

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Tommck:

ooh.. no so old... there are new ones...

[18:15:05]

Tommck:

no.. just PCI slots, I think

[18:17:04]

Zider:

nice case

[18:17:13]

Tommck:

yeah... looks like a good option.

[18:17:30]

Tommck:

I'm betting the Pentium-M 1.8 should work for HDTV with XvMC

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Zider:

I wouldn't need that much power..

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Zider:

a C3 1GHz or something would be enough.. I only do SDTV.. :)

[18:18:36]

Tommck:

for $175 less, you can get it w/ 1.5GHz Celeron M

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Tommck:

brb

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Zider:

it still gets very pricey

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Zider:

I wonder if the case is available separately

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tgm4883:

check froogle

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Zider:

no hits on retailer sites

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FuzzplugJones:

greetings, i'm a longtime linux user for server stuff but i'd like to replace my windows media box tonight with mythtv and i'd like to know what distros have excellent mythtv support (like, install and run) and especially what distros seem to pick up tuner cards without much work (hauppage 150 & 250 and an ATI 9200). i don't mind it being a full distro so i can ssh into it and do stuff with the idle cpu time

[18:32:52]

mkrufky:

i recommend fedora, FuzzplugJones ... google for "myth tv ology" and you'll find the best howto, ever!

[18:33:25]

FuzzplugJones:

i'm a debian fan... i assume debian will be too out of date but anyone know how ubuntu is with this stuff?

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mkrufky:

FuzzplugJones: ubuntu is good too ...

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FuzzplugJones:

i've never been a fan of hacking to make hardware work... (i used to run slackware so i'm still a little scarred by that)... both of those distros, is it just install and it sees the tv cards or what?

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juski:

very much depends on the hardware

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juski:

if you do your research before buying a tuner card you should be good

[18:36:05]

mkrufky:

you'll need ivtv for the 150&250 support, FuzzplugJones

[18:36:13]

mkrufky:

he's already got the hardware, juski

[18:36:19]

FuzzplugJones:

well i have my tuners already. this is replacing a working windows mce

[18:36:49]

mkrufky:

if you're going to use Ubuntu, I'd recomment feisty or later .....

[18:36:53]

FuzzplugJones:

forgive the questions, i want to have this straight in my mind before i try because I don't have time this week to just experiment

[18:37:05]

mkrufky:

feisty i think was officially released a few days ago — and it's awesome

[18:37:12]

FuzzplugJones:

oh ok excellent

[18:37:20]

juski:

if you go with Feisty, installing ivtv is a very simple matter, allegedly

[18:37:23]

FuzzplugJones:

yeah if i could use linux on the desktop more i'd run it.

[18:37:23]

fryfrog:

FuzzplugJones: you'll probably have good luck with any linux distro you know

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juski:

not that it was ever hard of course

[18:37:35]

mkrufky:

feisty is based on the 2.6.20 kernel, and the new ivtv driver will work nicely with that

[18:37:55]

fryfrog:

but i'd also chime in for fedora (due to the great amount of docs) or ubuntu for the ZOMG I'M RUNNING UBUNTU ZOMG ZOMG!!!

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FuzzplugJones:

i wasn't sure if it was hard or not... i remember when Jack (audio) first came out years ago it took me a long time to wrap my brain around it... apache, php, mysql, that i can do with my eyes closed

[18:38:07]

mkrufky:

in case nobody knows yet, ivtv will be included with 2.6.22+

[18:38:09]

fryfrog:

(i use feisty, and i'm happy with it)

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FuzzplugJones:

heh, i have nightmares from redhat that i never got over :)

[18:38:22]

fryfrog:

ah, nice!

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fryfrog:

HERE HERE!

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fryfrog:

FUCK REDHAT :)

[18:38:32]

FuzzplugJones:

remember dependency hell? :)

[18:38:32]

fryfrog:

my favorite is still gentoo

[18:38:39]

FuzzplugJones:

like rh6

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fryfrog:

but who has 8 hours a day to spend updating your box :)

[18:38:45]

FuzzplugJones:

i used to like gentoo

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mkrufky:

all the distros have come a long way since then... i cant remember the last time i had a dependency problem, apart from nvidia binary crap

[18:39:04]

fryfrog:

yup, rh6,7,8,9 and even ones before that :)

[18:39:10]

TheOuch:

I'm pretty happy with ubuntu now.

[18:39:13]

fryfrog:

yeah, that is true

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TheOuch:

redhat started sucking at 7.3 . . . dog slow.

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fryfrog:

I've actually been very impressed with Ubuntu

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FuzzplugJones:

made the mistake of runniing it on production servers and not reading all their dev lists where apparently they talked about changing the ENTIRE apache layout on the next update... which of course meant a few long nights putting servers back together

[18:39:33]

juski:

well, even with ubuntu's 'broken' installer packages I manage to install mythtv from scratch, and the base OS in a little under 2 hours

[18:39:48]

FuzzplugJones:

what's broken with ubuntu

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fryfrog:

FuzzplugJones: ahaha, that one got me too

[18:40:15]

fryfrog:

but i was running ~unstable

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FuzzplugJones:

nice!

[18:40:29]

fryfrog:

fixed it in only an hour or two, it was big on the forums and was pretty easy

[18:40:30]

FuzzplugJones:

isn't all gentoo unstable? :)

[18:40:39]

fryfrog:

also... it was very logical and i'm glad they did it

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juski:

they made the package scripts do some stuff that wasn't immediately obvious, which can screw things around. but if you know to watch out for it.. it's all good. besides, those problems have been fixed in Feisty

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fryfrog:

well, they have "stable" and "~unstable" but... :)

[18:40:55]

FuzzplugJones:

yeah it took me awhile to get over the incredulous response of the admins – "what do you mean you weren't reading all our dev lists??!?!"

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fryfrog:

hahahah

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fryfrog:

yeah :p

[18:41:12]

FuzzplugJones:

that night i started looking at debian and i haven't looked back.

[18:41:19]

fryfrog:

actually, now i'm annoyed by distros taht don't do it the gentoo way

[18:41:30]

FuzzplugJones:

what, everything from source?

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TheOuch:

I like the principle behind gentoo . . but it's such a pain.

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fryfrog:

if you like debian, but wish it camem with +100 super-awesome, you'll like ubuntu :)

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fryfrog:

apache i mean

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mkrufky:

feisty ships with compiz, and it's HOT

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fryfrog:

the gentoo approach to apache (which is actually based on standards, so i guess it really isn't *gentoo* way)

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FuzzplugJones:

oh i know i try ubuntu once in awhile... problem is my main compy is a laptop with a broadcom wifi card and before you say it :), it's one of those chips that you can't extract the NDIS driver

[18:43:34]

FuzzplugJones:

okay, so ubuntu...

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FuzzplugJones:

7.04 is the latest version they say, is that right?

[18:44:14]

FuzzplugJones:

is that feisty?

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juski:

yeah

[18:44:30]

FuzzplugJones:

okay, excellent

[18:44:47]

juski:

but you do of course realise that no discussion of the easiest/fastest way to get mythtv working would be complete without mentioning Knoppmyth – right?

[18:44:58]

FuzzplugJones:

no idea :)

[18:45:03]

FuzzplugJones:

well

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fryfrog:

Knoppmyth... isn't that the one for... *bitches*? :)

[18:45:25]

FuzzplugJones:

i think i downloaded some livecd thinking it would work, then it said i had to blitz out my hard drive and install it anyway to "try" it

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juski:

no fancy 3d crap like compiz but mythtv can't / won't make _any_ use of that – and it can cause more problems than it's worth anyway

[18:45:45]

juski:

wooo wobbly windows & shit. 1337!

[18:45:45]

FuzzplugJones:

and if i have to do that i might as well install something i can use for other stuff

[18:46:09]

FuzzplugJones:

i don't need compiz but it would be nice to ssh in and know i could install world community grid or something and i'm used to how its laid out and all

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juski:

you can install whatever you like on top of knoppmyth too – it's based on debian

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juski:

just playing devil's advocate. I'm not especially a fan of ubunut despite appreciating how it's one of the better efforts. I'd never go as far as calling any OS 'awesome'

[18:47:42]

mkrufky:

ubuntu is awesome

[18:47:45]

mkrufky:

:-P

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FuzzplugJones:

heh well it depends on what you use it for. i'm asking what's the AWESOMEST disto for mythtv

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mkrufky:

(just playin, juski)

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juski:

depends what your definition of awesome is ;)

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FuzzplugJones:

oh yeah big question... i'm in the US where you have to pay for practically everythintg..... where do i get my tv guide listings for mythtv and is it free?

[18:48:36]

juski:

least hassle, I'd prolly say knoppmyth, but then it's prolly not as easy to install other stuff on as ubunut

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mkrufky:

google the mythtv ology page/... all the xmltv listing stuff is described there, FuzzplugJones

[18:49:12]

** tgm4883 loves ubuntu **

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juski:

zap2it provides the TV guide data for you in the USA

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FuzzplugJones:

oh ok excellent

[18:49:18]

mkrufky:

FuzzplugJones: you'll be using datadirect via zap2it

[18:49:32]

juski:

it's free, all you need do is sign up & agree to complete a survey once in a while

[18:49:40]

madfactor:

Wow... there isn't a good mechanism for moving a database to another box, eh?

[18:49:42]

FuzzplugJones:

ok

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juski:

madfactor: yeah it's called _mysqldump_

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tgm4883:

what about just a backup and restore?

[18:50:00]

GreyFoxx:

madfactor: mysqldump

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FuzzplugJones:

shit i just usually copy the /var/lib/mysql directory to the other machine

[18:50:20]

FuzzplugJones:

but then again i'm awesome :)

[18:50:21]

juski:

it doesn't get much simpler than one command with 2 or 3 parameters

[18:50:26]

madfactor:

My new box isn't working very well with the old database.

[18:50:31]

madfactor:

I already did that.

[18:50:44]

FuzzplugJones:

huh

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juski:

madfactor: yeah but did you run mythtv-setup after the move hmm?

[18:50:50]

madfactor:

Yeah.

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GreyFoxx:

same hostname ?

[18:51:05]

madfactor:

Nope.

[18:51:09]

GreyFoxx:

bingo

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madfactor:

The new server is a master server.

[18:51:22]

GreyFoxx:

non global settings are keyed off the hostname

[18:51:24]

madfactor:

Can't keep the old pvr-d hostname.

[18:51:45]

madfactor:

Hmmm. I might have left out some queries then.

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madfactor:

I'll take a look at some of the global'NULL' stuff.

[18:52:52]

madfactor:

I can cat a stream off my ivtv card, but I can't get myth to for some reason.

[18:54:11]

madfactor:

I mysqldumped the database to the new machine.

[18:54:15]

GreyFoxx:

why not just start from scratch? You can keep just your reecording schedule and history but go the rest from scratch

[18:54:35]

madfactor:

I might just do that.

[18:55:08]

FuzzplugJones:

ok i'm going to burn this ubuntu cd and move some hardware around before i do this, so i'll come back if i have any questions... you guys have been helpful, thanks so much

[18:55:15]

madfactor:

There only one table to move from the old database?

[18:55:23]

GreyFoxx:

madfactor: depends on what you are keeping

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madfactor:

I need "currently" recorded and previously recorded stuff.

[18:55:45]

GreyFoxx:

record has schedules, recorded has current recording info, and oldrecorded has your history

[18:55:50]

madfactor:

I still have some content on the old box.

[18:56:00]

madfactor:

I deleted all recording schedules on the old box.

[18:56:29]

madfactor:

OH K.

[18:56:47]

madfactor:

I'll go ahead and drop this database on my new box.

[18:57:47]

madfactor:

I'll import the old database as a different database name.

[18:58:07]

madfactor:

I am glad you guys are here.

[18:58:12]

madfactor:

You are always a big help.

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gbee:

aw shucks

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TSCHAKWerk:

heya GreyFoxx, did you get my mail ?

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gbee:

good evening stuarta

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stuarta:

evening gbee et al

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juski:

evening stuarta. hows you?

[19:05:47]

stuarta:

good. v. relaxing weekend

[19:05:55]

stuarta:

anniversary even.

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stuarta:

few nice dinners, wine in the park... mmmm

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madfactor:

So, when I replace the recorded/oldrecorded tables in mythconverg with my old .19 tables, will they need to be converted by the backend?

[19:07:57]

juski:

cool :) sounds very sophistomacated

[19:08:13]

stuarta:

juski: more like cultured ;-)

[19:08:37]

stuarta:

madfactor: think you are asking for trouble mixing bits of different database...

[19:08:39]

juski:

heheh not a word I'm well acquainted with, what with living in these parts

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juski:

bugger. put a camera up on sunday, then 4am this morning a ferkin spider moved in

[19:09:31]

stuarta:

nice video of a spiderweb being built?

[19:09:45]

tzanger:

juski: hahahahah

[19:09:52]

juski:

nah.. just see it streak past a few times

[19:10:06]

juski:

must be the IR LEDs keeping the little buggers warm

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juski:

I'm a fan but not _that_ much of a fan ;)

[19:13:50]

mkrufky:

are you up-to-date?

[19:14:03]

stuarta:

i lack the images to decide if i'm a fan

[19:14:08]

juski:

yeh but I'll need to watch the re-cap

[19:14:10]

mkrufky:

...if so, have you read the novels?

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goreguts:

srsly how long does mythtv take to compile on a athlon64 3400

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juski:

goreguts: about ...... that long

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goreguts:

this complie is wrecking my computer

[19:14:43]

stuarta:

15–20m, 3min using ccache after a previous compile

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mkrufky:

...and if so, did you read them all? if not, then you should _really_ read episodes 22–29 before tonight's episode. http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/index.shtml?novel=22

[19:14:58]

juski:

ccache is nice

[19:15:13]

mkrufky:

actually, only 24–29 are relevant ...

[19:15:16]

gbee:

ccache is _very_ nice

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stuarta:

mmmmm, i'm a big fan of ccache

[19:15:25]

juski:

anyway why the heck to US TV series have holidays? it's a bit lame, is that

[19:15:35]

juski:

*to/do

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mkrufky:

holidays?

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stuarta:

so they can insert more random crap

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mkrufky:

you mean... "we're writing this show off-the-cuff, and we need six weeks to finish filming? "

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juski:

is that it? ahhh

[19:16:17]

mkrufky:

yeah

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juski:

I thought they were just being mean

[19:16:21]

mkrufky:

but now they're filming season 2

[19:16:26]

mkrufky:

lol, being mean

[19:16:36]

juski:

it got a 2nd season? hooray for that

[19:16:37]

mkrufky:

the story has been continuing this whole time

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gbee:

I thought it was because they wanted to show sports etc in the prime time slots during that period

[19:16:51]

juski:

pity Invasion didn't. I really got into that

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tzanger:

that's what myth is good for... watch old episodes

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gbee:

would have liked to see where Invasion was going

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juski:

er.. mkrufky lemme see.. so tonight's episode isn't carrying on from where the last one left off?

[19:17:49]

mkrufky:

yeah... myth would be better at watching old episodes if i had another 2 or 3 terrabytes in this bitch

[19:17:59]

juski:

you've got to read some stories online?!

[19:18:06]

mkrufky:

juski: ity does carry on from where we left off

[19:18:09]

mkrufky:

but...

[19:18:23]

mkrufky:

other stuff happened in between... nothing you NEED to know, but it is quite interesting

[19:18:28]

juski:

ah okees

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juski:

phew

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gbee:

was certainly much better than the other 'alien' series – Surface, which seemed like it was written by Disney

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mkrufky:

lets put it this way..... there is a side-story. tonight's episode tells us the ending of that story, and you would never have known that you're missing the beginning and middle

[19:19:16]

mkrufky:

actually, there are many side-stories.... but only 1 thats important

[19:19:30]

mkrufky:

(graphic novel episodes 24–29)

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mkrufky:

*if* you saw the teaser for tonight's episode, then the side-story is already spoiled for you

[19:20:44]

** mkrufky is dying to talk about it.... but i wont be a spoiler, especially not in this public chat room **

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gbee:

:(

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gbee:

spoilsport

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mkrufky:

gbee: meet me in #heroes and i'll tell you

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gbee:

mkrufky: just joking, I've not watched Heroes, mostly because I don't yet have a PVR-150 with which to record stuff from cable/satellite

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gbee:

I'll wait for it to come around on terrestrial, or dvd

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mkrufky:

nbc doesnt do terrestrial where you live?

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mkrufky:

...or sci-fi channel?

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stuarta:

not in the uk

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gbee:

nope

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mkrufky:

damn, that sucks

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stuarta:

me & gbee are $ky deprived

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juski:

scifi is only showing it in 4:3 :-|

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stuarta:

which is where it's at...

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mkrufky:

so, then you've probably never heard of "Thank God You're Here" :-P

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mkrufky:

oh, man... i cant imagine watching Heroes in 4:3 ... that's a shonda!

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zdzisekg:

gbee, I have another patch to submit. does the same as the one I submitted last week http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3325 but this one is for mythgallery

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zdzisekg:

gbee, should I open a ne ticket or just added to the one from last week

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gbee:

quite a bit of NBC stuff shows up on terrestrial over here, but it depends which broadcaster buys the rights

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stuarta:

then sky notice they've missed a good one and pick up the following series....

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juski:

it's gonan be on BBC2 this summer IIRC

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gbee:

yeah, remembering reading that now

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juski:

zdzisekg: you did it? ;)

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zdzisekg:

juski, yup, seems to be working

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stuarta:

it is? oooo!

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** stuarta digs on the beeb website **

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juski:

I have inside knowledge

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zdzisekg:

juski, basicly a copy of what you originally submitted for mythvideo/gallery view

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gbee:

zdzisekg: add them on the same ticket as they are related

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juski:

zdzisekg: really? does it segfault if the element is missing?

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zdzisekg:

juski, nope

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zdzisekg:

juski, wanna test it before I submit?

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gbee:

normally, as they involve different areas of mythtv it would be better to open multiple tickets, but it's a minor issue and any single dev would be able to apply both at the same time without worrying

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mkrufky:

apparantly there was a contest a few months ago that the prize was to guest star on an episode of Heroes?

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zdzisekg:

gbee, thanx. will do

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mkrufky:

looks like we'll see the winner tonight, also

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juski:

zdzisekg: I can't. my dev box is indisposed at the mo

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jimbalaya:

any last.fm users about? ... I'm wondering if it's possible to get mythtv to make submissions

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juski:

jimbalaya: with your patch, it will be :)

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jimbalaya:

yeah, after i learn whatever it's written in

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jimbalaya:

that, and i would like to see a way to select videos, and have myth pick one for me .... i don't know how many times i've been sitting there with 3 or 4 options, wanting to watch them all :-P

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Rtax:

Hello, I know this is not exactly a mythtv question, but kind of: Ubuntu feisty, nvidia 5200, crt on vga output, tv on Svideo output, mythtv running on tv. Problem is if I enable desktop effects, everything hangs on the tv. Any ideas?

[19:33:38]

PhilK:

does anyone know how I can disable live recording in MythTV? I want to watch TV without any of the PVR features (for diagnostics, I'm having trouble watching TV smoothly)

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madfactor:

I must be having a problem with my recording profiles.

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stuarta:

PhilK: then use Kaffeine or some other program

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stuarta:

there is no point to myth if you don't use it's PVR features

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juski:

Rtax: disable the desktop effects because they're still beta

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madfactor:

Do you have to have an audio card in the "backend" machine if streaming information is coming from a ivtv based card?

[19:35:01]

Rtax:

Awww, but they pretty... ;-)

[19:35:01]

PhilK:

stuarta: mplayer and other programs work fine, Myth just hitches and won't play correctly, I want to see if it'll play ok when it's not writing to the drive.

[19:35:06]

mkrufky:

madfactor: no

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stuarta:

PhilK: ah, well, by using mplayer direct from the card you have tested it already :)

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juski:

w.r.t. last.fm.. I dunno if I'd be ok with the world knowing I listen to showtunes & madonna all day

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juski:

bugger

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mkrufky:

;-)

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PhilK:

stuarta: ok...then I guess my next question is...why does Myth glitch so badly when trying to watch live TV? works fine if I record it first and play it back, but watching it live is just awful (P4–3GHz, Nvidia w/ XvMC, SATA drives)

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juski:

PhilK: try without xvmc

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juski:

and with the binary nvidia driver

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PhilK:

I've tried a ton of different fixes, even going as far as the CONFIG_HZ value for the kernel

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juski:

a 3ghz cpu shouldn't have any bother playing SDTV

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PhilK:

juski: without XvMC it's a bit more stable but glitches sporadically rather than consistently (IIRC. I'm at work right now)

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madfactor:

Do I have to do something special to get the Hardware Encoder of my ivtv to show up in recording profiles?

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juski:

my feeble ickle 733 celery mobile can play mpeg2 at 720x576 with plenty cycles to spare...

[19:41:50]

jduggan_:

my celeron 1.2ghz 768mb cant play 720p

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jduggan_:

not with mplayer atleast :(

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juski:

I didn't say 720p

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jduggan_:

was talkin to PhilK

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juski:

though the 733 celery can almost play 720p... prolly about 15fps

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mkrufky:

720p == 1280x720 progressive ... different from 720x576

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juski:

PhilK: tried turning openglvsync off ?

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PhilK:

I'm starting to suspect some weird motherboard issue (it's a Dell...it was the only machine I had lying around fast enough)

[19:43:54]

PhilK:

juski: opengl vsync seems to make it smoother, with it off the hitches are sudden and brutal, with it on it's more of a smooth speed up/down like a framerate issue

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PhilK:

if I look at the output while trying to watch TV I get a lot of "NVP: prebuffering pause"

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madfactor:

damnit.. can't get the ivtv to record livetv

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madfactor:

this is getting goofy

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juski:

well.. that's the last time I look at the lamers forum

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mkrufky:

madfactor: did you try with mplayer yet?

[19:46:15]

madfactor:

I cat'ed it to a mpg file and played it.

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mkrufky:

what did you see?

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madfactor:

It played fine.

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mkrufky:

ok then

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madfactor:

My backend doesn't have an audio card.

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mkrufky:

who cares? backends dont need audio

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madfactor:

I didn't think so.

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mkrufky:

at least, a backend doesnt need audio for a hardware mpeg encoder or a digital tuner

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madfactor:

mplayer is playing it choppy.

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madfactor:

the video card in that machine is crappy too tho.

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mkrufky:

try passing -framedrop to mplayer

[19:49:08]

madfactor:

Yeah... the card is working.

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madfactor:

myth will not record a stream from it.

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mkrufky:

in mythtvsetup, do you have the card set up as an ivtv device, or a v4l device?

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mkrufky:

err, actually, i shouldnt be talking now — i dont know whether your version of mythtv is using the old or new mpeg encoding api

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madfactor:

It was autodetected... but I'll look.

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madfactor:

.20

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AtSquiggs:

hey all

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madfactor:

the card does all the mpeg2 encoding.

[19:51:02]

madfactor:

It cat's directly to mpeg2.

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AtSquiggs:

does anyone know if I can use this, http://www.irblaster.info/?gclid=CIuZ-eLP2YsCFQKfYgodVXNBbA , with my pvr150 remote? I want to keep all the cards in the back room and use the remotes for frontend only machines.

[19:53:29]

madfactor:

Success.

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madfactor:

thx mkr

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mkrufky:

niiice ... so it was set up as a v4l2 device, and you changed it to ivtv?

[19:54:45]

madfactor:

Yeah...

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mkrufky:

cool.. im glad it worked for you

[19:55:36]

Marmar:

Hi all. I have noticed that the mythmusic plugin seems to disable the X11 screensaver when starting, exiting, and when leaving the visualizer. This behavior is undesirable for me, and as none of the other plugins do it, Im not sure why mythmusic should. I have hacked around a bit to try and turn this behavior off without success. Any ideas?

[19:55:39]

AtSquiggs:

mkrufky – you were the one helping me with my pvr500 problem, right?

[19:55:42]

zdzisekg:

I've seen a commit not too long ago that mythmusic supports libvisual plugins. does anyone know of a plugin that would simply display pictures?

[19:55:53]

madfactor:

I'm gonna go back to plan a.... now that I know my problem. :)

[19:55:57]

madfactor:

THanks. :)

[19:56:14]

mkrufky:

AtSquiggs: maybe... i havent been in #mythtv-users in a few months, but anything is possible

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AtSquiggs:

you know the guy that writes the ivtv drivers right? I was thinking you had me join #v4l

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AtSquiggs:

you thought it might have been a new bug

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mkrufky:

yeah, that was probably me

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AtSquiggs:

ok it was hardware. Got it replaced and everything just worked! :)

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mkrufky:

hverkuil is the ivtv maintainer...

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mkrufky:

oh, i remember now — you had the bad tuner

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AtSquiggs:

yep. only the first one worked. it was funny, the replacement looked like a totally different card!

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mkrufky:

the cx2584x was broken — wouldnt accept firmware, and simply ignored incoming video sata

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mkrufky:

data

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AtSquiggs:

like my first one didn't have all the electrial parts for the tuner or something!

[19:58:09]

mkrufky:

hmm, the replacement LOOKS different?!? strange

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AtSquiggs:

yeah, very odd. Don't care it works now though!

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mkrufky:

wow, thats really something

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mkrufky:

ha!

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AtSquiggs:

I didn't have them right beside eachother either, so I could be wrong.

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mkrufky:

there are so many different variations of those pvrxx0 cards ...

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AtSquiggs:

yeah. I also got a drop amp to see if that fixes some of the grainy issues I was having

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mkrufky:

all the tuner stuff is detected via the eeprom, so maybe your new one just uses a different tuner

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mkrufky:

drop amp is never a bad idea

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AtSquiggs:

maybe, I was thinking it came up phillips again though

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mkrufky:

philips makes many different tuners, so i owuldnt be surprised

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AtSquiggs:

do you know about using my pvr150 remote with the ir reciever I bought from irbaster?

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mkrufky:

no reason why it shouldnt work

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AtSquiggs:

ah ok, well thanks again gor your help.

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mkrufky:

no prob

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AtSquiggs:

i would have spent so many more hours farting around with it!

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mkrufky:

lol

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AtSquiggs:

I kept thinking I was doing something wrong

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mkrufky:

yeah, good thing we figured that one out

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AtSquiggs:

now that I "know" how easy ivtv drivers are to setup I won't make that mistake again

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AtSquiggs:

well anyway, thanks again. Have a great day everyone

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tld2:

Can I run MythTV on a machine with a small harddrive, and simply store the bigger files (movies etc) on another, using nfs?

[20:05:21]

Marmar:

yes

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tld2:

thanks

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Marmar:

but make sure you have a fast intranet

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Marmar:

i.e. wireless may be too slow

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Marmar:

but ya never know

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tld2:

It should be really fast

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tld2:

Thinking about setting up Ubuntu with MythTV and vmware, then give most of the disk to a Solaris install in the vmware

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Tommck:

tld2 – I've never tried recording that way, but playback works just fine

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tld2:

thanks guys

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tld2:

IE: It'd be on the same physical machine

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Tommck:

tld2 – ahh.. ok

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Perdignus:

With the new "ASX Stream" feature in MythWeb, I get "An unknown module was specified"

[20:10:09]

Perdignus:

Should that "just work" or does it need some tweaking to get things setup correctly?

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adultswim:

can anyone tell me if its possible to run mythtv while using beryl without the top and bottom panels appearing on top of mythtv ?

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stuarta:

ooo channel 4 and itv have now started broadcasting the basics to support the series link functionality.

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Dagmar:

series link?

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stuarta:

yeah, press your blue button to record this series

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stuarta:

"advanced" stb pvr's

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Dagmar:

ahh more stations should do that

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stuarta:

it's coming in the UK, so they are starting to broadcast the required info

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stuarta:

good for us :)

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Dagmar:

yep

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Dagmar:

i am a bit suprised SciFi does not do that already

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Smirnov:

im surprised scifi is retarded and doesnt offer HD

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Smirnov:

i mean its not like people who like scifi would have HDTVs or anything...

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stuarta:

the filming of scifi relies heavily on the fact that it's broadcast in SD

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stuarta:

imagine star trek in HD? you'd see the string & sticky tape holding the set together

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stuarta:

not to mention polystyrene rocks :)

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xris:

http://www.columbiachronicle.com/paper/arts.php?id=3849

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goreguts:

the inner and outer system: a clunky computer modem that he hides in his bedroom closet,

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goreguts:

"a computer modem"

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opello:

wow

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opello:

that article must be written by someone that didn't want to learn anything about it

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Perdignus:

Could someone help me with "An unknown module was specified" when trying "ASX Stream" please?

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goreguts:

sorry man, i havent used that before

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Perdignus:

Recent SVNs have a promising looking web streaming interface, but I can't get it to work :(

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goreguts:

you watching it on your local network?

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goreguts:

because in the mean time, you can encode to divx or xvid and just watch those over the network share

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Perdignus:

Yup, tried locally and via WAN

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xris:

opello: she was a non-geek. sounded interested, but in a completely alien environment.

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stuarta:

Perdignus: don't believe that interface is finished yet

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opello:

ah, i mean – even the jargon is off ... i guess it should have been proofread?

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xris:

Perdignus: try the new apache conf, not using .htaccess... it's all in the INSTALL file

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Anduin:

A good editor would have helped, nice story though.

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xris:

opello: yeah, proofread by a geek.

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xris:

but what can you expect.. it's a student-run paper.

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opello:

yeah, i guess i was expecting too much, heh

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xris:

still nice to see good press about mythtv, even if it's small stuff.

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Tanthrix:

Aye. And it could have been a lot worse.

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Tanthrix:

IE, associating myth with piracy, some kind of underground something or other

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Perdignus:

thanks xris, I'll give it a look, but without .htaccess? that's my security system for MythWeb

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xris:

Perdignus: safer to have that stuff in the apache conf itself

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fryfrog:

jesus, did you see the picture of that like... 50" ws tv sitting on the stand for ... like... a 27" tv?

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xris:

heh

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Tanthrix:

fryfrog: Meh, it's a DLP, so it's light enough ;)

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fryfrog:

"However, in order to reach the finished product, a person must be skilled in Linux, a computer source code comparable to Windows or Mac OS X"

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Perdignus:

xris am I out of luck if I'm using Apache 1.3 instead of 2?

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ectospasm:

Any reason why you're using 1.3 instead of 2?

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Perdignus:

ectospasm I'm not sure to be honest, maybe I should try switching eh?

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ectospasm:

from what I understand, in general, unless you specifically need something in 1.3 that isn't in 2, you should always go with 2. If you're starting from scratch, there's no reason to install 1.3 over 2

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FuzzplugJones:

ok i'm in mythtv setup... what about my remote receiver? it's one of the MCE ones, it came in a box with one of my hauppague cards... what's the trick to getting it to work? /var/log/messages just says ...

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FuzzplugJones:

Apr 23 17:15:14 dvr kernel: [ 1189.772067] usb 1–1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 2

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FuzzplugJones:

Apr 23 17:15:15 dvr kernel: [ 1189.979882] usb 1–1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice

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hads:

You'll need lirc FuzzplugJones

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FuzzplugJones:

does knoppmyth come with that?

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hads:

I'd guess yes.

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FuzzplugJones:

ok i'm trying that because this one doesn't want to find my cards

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TSCHAK:

you know

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TSCHAK:

it may be possible to make a component to firewire capture adaptor

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Smirnov:

does anyone know what time Heroes is airing

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Tommck:

www.tvguide.com :p

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hatredx:

mythweb

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hatredx:

=p

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Tommck:

hehe

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hatredx:

better answer =)

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Smirnov:

i was hoping for an answer in general

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Smirnov:

incase it gets aired earlier somewhere else

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Tommck:

9pm here

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hound:

I read somewhere that Myth converts the cable companies QAM channels to some other standard. I can't find where I read that though. I've been trying to use http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels.ods as a reference but nothing lines up.

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hound:

so what's the standard it changes to so I can make myself up a key?

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Tommck:

no idea what you're talking about

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Smirnov:

huh? when you record using mythweb it just goes to mpeg4

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Tommck:

(or mpeg2)

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Smirnov:

anyone know when Heroes get aired in Canada

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Tommck:

very curious... why do you care?

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madfactor:

mythtv rocks ass

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Smirnov:

so i can tell my friend who lives in ontario

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hound:

For example: in mysql table dtv_multiplex there is a line that says, 67–2 is on frequency 687000000, but neither broadcast nor QAM frequencies are 687M. For cable tv it would be: 477M

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Tommck:

why can't your friend look it up?

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Smirnov:

cause hes a noob

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hound:

I know I read this in the wiki, just can't find it again.

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Smirnov:

thinks the internet is the big E

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Tommck:

Smirnov – a noob to TV? tell him to hit his local TV channel's website... or google... or tvguide.com or yahoo.com or something

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Tommck:

find out what his channel's name is... go to their website

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rowdy:

can i download saved programs from the motorola dct6412. I have a comcast account in bethesda, maryland

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Tanthrix:

rowdy: I *think* that some people have been able to do that in windows, though I don't know if it's possible in linux

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Tanthrix:

Using the dcapture program or whatever it is

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rowdy:

Tanthrix: I was able to capture video using firewire in windows..but I want to download the saved programs.

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rowdy:

has anybody been able to access the saved programs from motorola dct6412

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Tanthrix:

rowdy: If you can't press play on your DVR, then record it in windows, you're not going to be able to get it

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Tanthrix:

Er, capture

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rowdy:

i was able to record it from windows

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fryfrog:

rowdy: i've never even bothered to try, but i bet what Tanthrix suggested would work

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fryfrog:

you'd just need to capture the firewire packets after you hit play

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Tanthrix:

rowdy: .....so what's the problem?

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fryfrog:

no reason to bring myth into it

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rowdy:

but i have some saved shows on the dvr that I would like to download on to the computer

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Tanthrix:

....

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Tanthrix:

So you start playing one of those shows, then press capture. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, you're just out of luck..

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rowdy:

i as able to connect thru firewire and watch shows on my windows computer...record and all.

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rowdy:

Oh...I get it

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rowdy:

I was thinking on the lines that...when I connect thru usb i can access the directories and copy the files over

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Tanthrix:

Not possible.

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rowdy:

Ok...Thanks

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Tanthrix:

I've been meaning to crack mine open and see what I can see on the drive, but I suspect it's probably proprietary so even doing that wouldn't accomplish anything

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rowdy:

Tanthrix: do u know what file system they use

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fryfrog:

just delete everything on your DVR and let myth re-record it next time it shows :)

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fryfrog:

or watch it on your DVR and nuke it

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rowdy:

I can just take IDE out and connect it as slave and download it that wat

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rowdy:

i have a lot of them and its gonna take a while

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rowdy:

Mythtv is way better

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Tanthrix:

rowdy: No idea, but I have a hunch that it's nothing that can be accessed via any PC

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rowdy:

This is so frustrating...not having control

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Tanthrix:

rowdy: And the mpeg2 transport streams are probably wrapped in a proprietary container after that

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rowdy:

Probably

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rowdy:

Well anyway thanks Tanthrix and fryfrog ...appreciate your help

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Tanthrix:

NP

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madfactor:

How can it play a preview but the program?

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madfactor:

How can it play a preview but not the program?

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hound:

sorry, don't understand the question

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madfactor:

I moved my old context off an old box, and put it on a new box with my database.

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madfactor:

ANd the backend is streaming the preview to the client, but not the recording when you try to play it.

[23:20:09]

madfactor:

I figured it out.

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madfactor:

the recorded table has a hostname field in the table, I had to run an update query to fix it.

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regicide666:

I have a problem i have never seen before. When I go to live tv on any frontend I just get a blank screen. Also I can not get any recordings to schedule. While in the program guide the recording options menu comes up but the it does not save any changes. The only error I see is "MythSocket(67d8a0:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected" in the backend log. Anyone have any Ideas

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tld2:

Do I require anything extra to do recording setups through a web UI?

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hound:

regicide666, sounds like the backend or mysql may not be working.

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hound:

tld2, all I needed was a webserver with php I think

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tld2:

thanks. :)

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regicide666:

I don't get any error about not being able to connect to the backend and I can log into the mysql database from and frontends shell

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regicide666:

should i get a message about my master backend adding itself as a slave backend?

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k-man:

hi guys

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k-man:

how is it running svn?

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k-man:

does it crash or miss recordings?

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kormoc:

depends on the day, but typically okay

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ubuntuEdgy:

any one knwo how i can change the drawing engine on the mythfrontend back to "QT" using a terminal.

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ubuntuEdgy:

its currently set to OPEN GL

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hads:

mysql, or I think there's also a reset option or something.

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ubuntuEdgy:

all i get is a balc screen when i start. the front end

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xris:

regicide666: -v all

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XChatMav:

k-man: I am running svn trunk – no real gotchas

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k-man:

XChatMav, ok, thanks

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regicide666:

I think i fixed it

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regicide666:

A bad ip address was the problem

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ubuntuEdgy:

ahhhh

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ubuntuEdgy:

that once had me going for days pulling my hair out

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ubuntuEdgy:

can any one help me with my isure about the "QT" engine

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