Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, April 22nd, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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JacobSingh:

that's what I see in the log everytime I try to start watching tv

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J-e-f-f-A:

JacobSingh: Yeah, I'm not sure if the 150 supports VBI... (It might, it's been a while since I researched that...)

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JacobSingh:

okay... I also can't watch DVDs though

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JacobSingh:

so I don't know if it's program guide related

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J-e-f-f-A:

JacobSingh: DVDs are completly seperate. You won't be able to watch some of the tougher encrption DVDs probably — like Star Wars – the css decryption tricks don't seem to work on them (yet?) [or maybe the do now too... but they didn't 6 months ago...]

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JacobSingh:

I've got one DVD here which works with the standard dvdcss (or whatever it's called) tools on linux

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JacobSingh:

(tested on this machine)

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J-e-f-f-A:

JacobSingh: What version of myth btw?

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JacobSingh:

I'm using the latest stable knoppmyth

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tld2:

Is MythTV really tied to MySQL? Should it work equally well with PostgreSQL?

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J-e-f-f-A:

JacobSingh: Ok, what version of mythtv? (mythfrontend --version should give that to you...)

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ghmd:

I've never seen any reference to myth with postgres

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tld2:

thanks though

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ghmd:

is there any reason why you'd want to use postgres? (besides it being a better database)

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ghmd:

I _used_ to care about that kind of stuff but gave in....

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JacobSingh:

12306M

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tld2:

I use it for everything else, and I'd rather have one database instead of two, that's all

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tld2:

personally though, MythTV seems like more of a SQLite candidate I guess

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ghmd:

well, not really

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ghmd:

if you're using separate frontends/backends

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tld2:

true I suppose

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ghmd:

unless sqlite has record locking support like access and nobody told me

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tld2:

If I end up liking and using MythTV, and put in the work to support PostgreSQL, would that be just ignored, or would it be possible to have it commited?

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ghmd:

nfc... you might want to try the development channel, #mythtv

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J-e-f-f-A:

JacobSingh: EH? Should be something like this: Library API version: 0.19.20060121–2 (although it's probably 0.20 ...)

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ghmd:

I use Postgres where possible but the moment it takes more time than mysql I (grudgingly) use it

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tld2:

takes more time?

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tld2:

to set up and use?

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ghmd:

yeah

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tld2:

or run-time for queries?

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ghmd:

to set up and use

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tld2:

ahh, yeah

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ghmd:

for my personal development stuff it's postgres or sql server

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dunstabulos_:

is there a livecd for using as a myth frontend?

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tld2:

kinda sad that there arn't more people sticking to standards.

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ghmd:

yeah

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tld2:

whats myth written in btw?

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J-e-f-f-A:

dunstabulos_: knoppmyth or mythdora ...

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ghmd:

C++, I believe

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tld2:

ahh

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tld2:

neat

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ghmd:

I think it uses the Qt MySQL driver

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tld2:

cool

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ghmd:

actually its possible that it could be abstracted

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ghmd:

I've never touched Qt

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tld2:

I'll definitively poke around and see where I can contribute

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dunstabulos_:

not to install, but just to bootup and connect to a backend

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ghmd:

until yesterda.. and I just created a QString

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tld2:

(already cleaned up the pvr250/350 driver on FreeBSD, so it works again now)

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tld2:

haha :)

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tld2:

I think I'll start with MySQL

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tld2:

I want to get this thing up and running

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J-e-f-f-A:

dunstabulos_: You can boot KnoppMyth from the CD as a frontend only...

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tld2:

much easier to poke around when I can see if it works

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ghmd:

I made a very simple patch for mythgallery that lets you configure the file patterns used for video

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dunstabulos_:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks

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J-e-f-f-A:

dunstabulos_: I think MythDora also has a frontend bootable CD mode too.

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ghmd:

because I don't like how mythvideo handles things that aren't movies

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tld2:

I'm not too used to C++, but I should be able to find my way around I think

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ghmd:

I'm used to managed languages

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ghmd:

I'm in a C++ CS course through

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ghmd:

so I'll learn in time

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tld2:

:)

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ghmd:

http://www.erased.us/gallery.patch ... if anyone is interested

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tld2:

btw: what are the MythTV alternatives?

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tld2:

I know of Freevo, which seems like it has potential, but isn't close to fully usable yet

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ghmd:

there's VDR

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ghmd:

but I think it's more oriented for cards that have builtin hardware decoding

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ubuntuEdgy:

can any one tell me where to find the commercial flagging queued jobs in phpmyadmin

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tld2:

ghmd: thanks for the tip

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tld2:

ghmd: I do have hardware en/de-coding, but I doubt the decoding and tv-out is supported

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tld2:

(by the driver I use that is)

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ghmd:

ah

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ubuntuEdgy:

dose any one know why my backend is stuf on "queued" for days now ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

stuck on*

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tld2:

argh!

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tld2:

I got a tuner today, and I already want anotherone!

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tld2:

*sigh*

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tld2:

;)

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NEO-HD:

hi all

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tld2:

any recommendations for a dual-tuner card that does mpeg encoding?

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tld2:

NEO-HD: Hi

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ghmd:

umm hauppauge cards are supposed to be good

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tld2:

thanks

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ghmd:

but I use digital TV so I wouldn't know personally

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tld2:

ahh

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tld2:

does that work with Myth?

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Cardoe:

tld2: what are you trying to do?

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tld2:

Cardoe: Was just thinking it'd be cool to add a couple of more tuners, to allow for picture-in-picture, recording while watching and so on

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Cardoe:

you can record while watching

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J-e-f-f-A:

tld2: For SD – Hauppauge PVR-500

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tld2:

Cardoe: Yeah, but I want to be able to record something, and watch something else for example.

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tld2:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks. :)

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tld2:

SD?

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ghmd:

standard def

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tld2:

ahh

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tld2:

thanks

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tld2:

:)

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Cardoe:

That has 2 tuners in it

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ghmd:

if I were to go analog I'd consider one of those, or get a combo ntsc/atsc/qam card

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tld2:

I'm PAL

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tld2:

PVR-500 seems very nice

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tld2:

*very* nice

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tld2:

since it seems to also do mpeg-encoding, my computer should be able to pull one pvr-350, and both channels of a pvr-500.

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tld2:

not sure I'm THAT addicted to TV though

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tld2:

;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

tld2: I've got a PVR-500, a PVR-250 and a HD-3000 in my current backend... My new backend will add a HD-5500 and two HD usb sticks on a slave laptop backend.

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ghmd:

damn.

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tld2:

damn!

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehe ;-)

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ubuntuEdgy:

too much

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ubuntuEdgy:

slave laptop ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

whats the pecs

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J-e-f-f-A:

ubuntuEdgy: Slave backend... the driver for the HVR-950 doesn't play nice... it breaks all other tuner drivers, so that's how I'm gonna get around it...

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ghmd:

I would have bought one of those awhile ago if it supported QAM

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ubuntuEdgy:

J-e-f-f-A: ahh i was about to say how nuts you are.

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ubuntuEdgy:

im going to bed im so tired.

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ghmd:

im tired but drugs are keeping me awake

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ghmd:

absolute greatest feeling

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ubuntuEdgy:

night

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ubuntuEdgy:

:-D send me some of those drugs please

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tld2:

Anyone experienced with DVB-C and MythTV?

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tld2:

Is it possible with non-cooperative providers?

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tld2:

could be color space

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xzcvczx:

color space?

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jams:

xzcvczx- check to see if myth is using XV colors

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jams:

it's one of the playback options

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hound:

How does someone remove channels form (the encrypted ones) from myth? i found wiki sites that go in depth in how to link xmltv channels, but nothing tells you how to remove them. the channel editor lets me delete all channels. what am I missing?

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hound:

how does someone meaning me :) why I said that I dunno

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J-e-f-f-A:

hound: I'd just use mythweb.

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ghmd:

hound: with my provider, all the encrypted channels are on the same physical channels... so I went into mysql and deleted all the changes that used those phyiscal channels

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hound:

! oh good idea !

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hound:

forgot about that thanks

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hound:

ghmd, many of my channels are mixed

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ghmd:

hound: in that case, good luck.

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xzcvczx:

jams: ok doing that now.... but if it was a setting rather than the video that was the problem wouldnt it always happen?

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xzcvczx:

it would be nice if there was an equivalent to cddb for dvds

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J-e-f-f-A:

xzcvczx: http://www.imdb.com

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xzcvczx:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah yeah

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J-e-f-f-A:

MythVideo uses it... It works pretty well.

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xzcvczx:

i know that

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Awol1:

Quick question: Everytime I start mythwelcome automatically after reboot, it always takes me to the database configuration menu. Anyway to keep from having to see it?

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Awol1:

The backend and frontend are running on the same machine, and the backend is up, so I'm not sure why it continues to ask for backend database configuration info...

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xzcvczx:

jams: had a look in the video playback options couldnt see that

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jams:

xzcvczx- playback, 2nd screen "Use Xv picture controls"

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xzcvczx:

so Utilities/Setup-Setup-Media Settings-Videos Settings-Player Settings?

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BSG76:

how do I allow mythbackend to accept connections from another machine pls?

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cesman:

read the mythtv docs...

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BSG76:

did that

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BSG76:

just confused at the moment

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BSG76:

mysql accepts connections now

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BSG76:

it goes into frontend

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BSG76:

loads up themes

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cesman:

then asks specific questions

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BSG76:

if you click on anything else says, make sure the backend is running

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cesman:

state specific problem that you have

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BSG76:

"could not connect to the master backend server — is it running? Is the IP address set for it in the setup program correct?

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BSG76:

that's exactly what it says

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hads:

Is the IP address set for it in the setup program correct?

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BSG76:

LOL yes

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xzcvczx:

is the backend actually running on the backend server?

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BSG76:

yup

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BSG76:

it is working perfectly for years now

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hads:

Is the IP address set for it in the setup program *actually* correct? i.e. What is set for the backend server IP in mythtv-setup on the backend server?

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BSG76:

well it's been upgraded a few times .. but ... it's works flawlessly on my machine it's isntalled

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BSG76:

the machine IP it used to be localhost

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BSG76:

is there something I need to do on the backend machine so that the mythbackend will accept connections from outside the machine..

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xzcvczx:

netstat -a | grep 6543 will tell you that

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jams:

BSG76- perhaps you should set the MBE ip in mythtv-setup to it's ip instead of localhost

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tld2:

when doing the manual fetchall, is mythtv really supposed to ask me for the channels info over and over again?

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NobleCommerc1:

is there any way to let mythtv and gnomescreenaver play nice together?

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NobleCommerc1:

i'd like to have my screensaver still come on when mythtv isn't running but disable automatically when it is

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BSG76:

tcp 0 0 *:6543 *:* LISTEN

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BSG76:

that's what netstat -a |grep 6543 says

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NobleCommerc1:

nm, i figured it out

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NobleCommerc1:

i made a shell script that does xset s off, mythfrontend, xset s on, and put that in my applications menu

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NobleCommerc1:

k that didn't work at all

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NobleCommerc1:

xset doesn't affect gnome-screensaver

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NobleCommerc1:

anyone have any experience disabling gnome-screensaver while myth is running?

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NobleCommerc1:

can i use firewire to change channels, but still use my analog tuner card to capture the video?

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rseeber:

hello

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hound:

hi

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rseeber:

i'm having a problem getting mythtv setup on ubuntu07.04

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rseeber:

i have it installed just fine

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rseeber:

but i can't add my tv card as a device to it

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rseeber:

it's a bt878

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rseeber:

and it's recognised, but it won't add

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hads:

Do yourself a favour and get a hardware encoding card :)

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hound:

it's recongized in mythtv-setup?

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rseeber:

kind of

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rseeber:

when i go to add it, it's name is listed there, but then i hit finish to add it and nothing happens and mythtv won't start

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hound:

no kidding! I have been fighting with a bt878 for months if not years, it's not worth the time :( of course I traded that problem with my new hd homerun which has been just as much trouble.

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hound:

rseeber, are you sure you are choosing the right /dev/video? I know you said it was detected, but I've only seen that when my video device was wrong.

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hound:

err well if nothing happens ,like you don't see it on the list, that's odd

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rseeber:

yeah, it's /dev/video0

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rseeber:

i can use another program to see it

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hound:

rseeber, any error messages?

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rseeber:

not during setup, but maybe after... i'll check the console

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rseeber:

Database error was:

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rseeber:

Table 'mythconverg.settings' doesn't exist

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rseeber:

seems i'm getting a bunch of database errors

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hound:

rseeber, that's def your problem. check the docs for how to load up the sql skeleton tables. should be an .sql file somewhere to semi-automate it

[04:52:41]

rseeber:

thanks

[04:52:50]

rseeber:

i'll do that in the morning, i have to get to bed

[04:52:53]

rseeber:

goodnight/day

[04:55:51]

NobleCommerc1:

can anyone point me to documentation that will help me make mythtv change the channels on my cablebox via firewire, but still capture the video via svideo?

[04:57:05]

Tanthrix:

NobleCommerc1: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_an . . . _with_MythTV

[04:57:10]

Tanthrix:

Not much there, but a bit.

[04:57:50]

Tanthrix:

Er, change the channels via firewire, didn't read that.

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compgood:

is there a reason why when the init.d/mythtv-backend script is run, the front end cant see that its running

[04:59:42]

compgood:

but if I run mythbackend directly, the front end works fine

[05:01:02]

Tanthrix:

compgood: Is the script actually starting mythbackend successfully? Run it then do "ps aux | grep mythbackend"

[05:02:45]

compgood:

nope, its not

[05:02:53]

compgood:

it doesnt give any errors, but its not

[05:04:13]

Tanthrix:

Hrm. I'd take a look at the script and see if anything looks weird to you.

[05:04:29]

compgood:

ahh

[05:04:30]

compgood:

I got it

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compgood:

there is a USER variable in the beginning

[05:04:48]

compgood:

I had to switch it to my user account

[05:05:03]

compgood:

which I set to the mythtv group earlier on

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xanderp:

great.. don't go to that link i sent about the htpc case earlier... their site appears to have spyware all over it.

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hads:

Use Linux... :)

[05:09:00]

Tanthrix:

Bah, LCD banding it starting to become a serious pet peeve of mine.

[05:12:29]

xanderp:

i'm on my work machine, that's why i was concerned. it's xp. i wonder if the lcd and buttons/volume knob on that case are working in linux yet though...

[05:18:51]

xanderp:

anyone here using a pcHDTV5500 in their setup?

[05:19:35]

Tanthrix:

I'm considering using a pcHDTV 5500 in my setup at some point in the future, does that count? ;)

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xanderp:

i guess so. I am helping a friend setup one in a new amd64 system. I've only ever setup the pvr350/150's before, and this thing is a little tricky to figure out what is what.

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xanderp:

the quality is BEAUTIFUL though

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Tanthrix:

Yah, once you see real HD stuff played back properly anything SD starts to look like VHS

[05:21:30]

Tanthrix:

Have you looked at the mythtv wiki on the card? They have quite a bti fo info for the pc 3000, and the 5500 I think

[05:22:28]

xanderp:

there's a trick to getting the card to work in mythtv, something about the cx88-dvb driver getting modprobed at the correct time. it works fine out of myth, but it's a bit flakey to get working consistently on his build. (probably just something we're doing wrong, but there you go!)

[05:23:17]

Tanthrix:

Hrm. Well, sorry, don't know enough to be of any use.

[05:23:31]

xanderp:

if i had an extra pile of cash lying around i would probably try one out, but too cash poor to do it. :(

[05:23:59]

xanderp:

also, it would look like crap on my 10yo rear projection SD tv.

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Tanthrix:

Yah, it's not really worth it on a SD screen

[05:25:16]

xanderp:

i think a mac mini would be a nice frontend, but I don't have any inputs it can put out in this ancient tv.

[05:25:45]

hound:

what's SD?

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ghmd:

standard definition

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Tanthrix:

Standard Definition video

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ghmd:

480i aka puke

[05:26:32]

Tanthrix:

In the US, 720x480 interlaced video, compared to HD, which starts off at 1280x720 progressive video, and 1920 x 1080 interlaced or progressive

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hound:

are SD digital streams mpeg also?

[05:27:37]

Tanthrix:

yes

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xanderp:

it's amazing how crappy standard dvd's look to us now that we've seen HD. I mean I am old enough to remember going "WOW!" when I saw how clear DVD's were in comparison to VHS back in the day.

[05:28:15]

Tanthrix:

aye

[05:28:31]

xanderp:

also, there's a lot of crappy mastered dvd's out there. They could have done a better job, even at SD.

[05:28:46]

hound:

i find it a little hard to watch some HDTV, it looks fake... because it looks so real

[05:29:11]

Tanthrix:

Yah, I know what you mean. For me, the motion blur bugs the hell out of me.

[05:29:48]

Tanthrix:

It's so clear that motion blur jumps out at me like crazy whenever I see it, as opposed to SD where the crappiness of the picture obfuscates a lot of problems.

[05:30:01]

Tanthrix:

Ghosting on LCDs only compound the problem as well.

[05:30:15]

xanderp:

i can't stand my friend's REALLY nice HD setup... there's a lot of anti-aliasing that's needed, as there are 'jiggies' all over the place.

[05:30:36]

Tanthrix:

xanderp: For what sources?

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ghmd:

I only notice motion blur on 1080i sources

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xanderp:

sometimes analog is nice, as it's not got the 'edges' that square pixels have. He was playing a SD video on a HD screen, and it was all 'zig-zaggy' on any diagonal lines. (like rows of seats in a stadium for example)

[05:32:39]

Tanthrix:

Ahh, yah. That's why I like using my computer to scale SD stuff via mythTV since it's usually better than TV's built in scalers

[05:32:59]

ghmd:

indeed

[05:33:16]

ghmd:

even the builtin scaling in my nvidia GPU is better than my tv's scaling

[05:33:23]

ghmd:

(the nvidia GPU outputs 1080p for any resolution)

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pat_:

blah, I'd sooner watch something good on sdtv, that crap contend on hdtv

[05:34:00]

pat_:

s/that/than/

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Tanthrix:

That's not really GPU scaling, that's whatever decoder you're using doing the scaling

[05:34:15]

pat_:

(/me invokes brain)

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ghmd:

no... the GPU outputs 1080p over DVI, all the time, regardless of what its doing

[05:34:48]

ghmd:

could be 80x25 text console

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pat_:

and my eyesight isn't that good that I can tell the distance across the distance of the loungeroom

[05:34:56]

ghmd:

could be 640x480 vga

[05:35:05]

ghmd:

or it could be a 1920x1080 framebuffer

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pat_:

fuckit, I give up. my brain to keyboad actuator is stuffed.

[05:35:32]

xanderp:

watching the OTA stuff that the pcHDTV5500 of my buddy was recording via myth makes me drool (and it was just the news!) The problem here is that there are like 9 'free' HD stations OTA, and 6 are just religious stations, and 2 are news!

[05:35:33]

Tanthrix:

ghmd: The GPU will output whatever you tell it to, but it's not going to scale X for you.

[05:35:42]

ghmd:

oh

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hound:

does anyone know how to interpret the hdhomerun_config channels (SCANNING: 759000000 (us-cable:118, us-irc:118)) into whatever appears in mythtv (77#2).

[05:36:34]

ghmd:

the stream could be identifying itself as 77.2

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hound:

I'd love a primer on just how QAM "channels" are notated. eveyrone seems to have their own system

[05:36:46]

Tanthrix:

ghmd: And as far as the console, I don't think you're right that it outputs 1080P unless you set your framebuffer to be that. It outputs whatever is default then your TV scales

[05:36:54]

ghmd:

Tanthrix: nope.

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ghmd:

it outputs 1920x1080p all the itme

[05:37:12]

ghmd:

ever since I put the card in the box and plugged it into the LCD

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xanderp:

I watched Idiocracy for the first time tonight. Good flic.

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Tanthrix:

ghmd: I don't believe you. It's gotta be either doing a 1080P frame buffer, or your TV is scaling the output. Any documentation online that backs up what you're saying? (I do admit that I could be wrong!)

[05:39:08]

ghmd:

I can take a picture..

[05:39:49]

Tanthrix:

So, when you're in the console, your TV states that it is recieving a 1080P signal, and the text is all stretched and pixellated from being stretched?

[05:40:07]

ghmd:

yep

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Tanthrix:

Weird.

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xanderp:

nite all... old man needs his sleep.

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ghmd:

maybe

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ghmd:

I just plugged in the card and it happened

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Tanthrix:

I still don't believe it entirely unless I see some documentation on it – I'm much more inclined to think your TV is just lying about recieving a 1080P signal

[05:46:25]

ghmd:

http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pic0004tw0.jpg

[05:46:56]

ghmd:

email got truncated

[05:47:02]

Tanthrix:

Well, I believe you, I just don't believe it

[05:47:13]

Tanthrix:

And it's a Westinghouse set, you can never trust those ;)

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ghmd:

it's just a 7600 gs card

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ghmd:

if I take the card out and use the onboard gma 900, and go to the same screen

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ghmd:

it'll say 720x480 or whatever

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Tanthrix:

Well, maybe the new GPUs have some fancy chips that automatically detect the EDID on flat panels and do automatic scaling to whatever the highest panel resolution is

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ghmd:

they _have_ to do it for lvds panels

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ghmd:

alreadty

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ghmd:

*already

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Tanthrix:

Then can just output at a standard resolution like 640x480 that all panels can do

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Tanthrix:

Hrm, let me reboot and see what my 7600 GS does with my 20 inch lcd monitor

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Tanthrix:

brb

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tanthrix:

My friggin system is dead!

[06:04:56]

tanthrix:

I went into the bios to see what resolution was being outputted (ghmd: You were right, 1600x1200) and when I exited the system no longer turns on

[06:07:35]

ghmd:

wtf

[06:12:35]

tanthrix:

Alright, clearing the bios didn't do a damn thing.

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tanthrix:

I'm wondering if it's the power supply

[06:14:05]

tanthrix:

Yesterday I walked up and got a big static shock from my desk, and at the same time my system rebooted. Could have something to do with that

[06:14:32]

MarineTim:

eek – that sounds like a serious electrical problem.

[06:15:18]

MarineTim:

you may want to test/check your power outlets.

[06:15:20]

tanthrix:

Well, it was static, not a short or anything. I know for a fact that outlet is properly grounded and such

[06:15:29]

MarineTim:

ah, k.

[06:15:31]

tanthrix:

At least, I think I checked that one a while back...

[06:16:55]

tanthrix:

My 6 month old, decent Rosewill supply...

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hads:

Argh. NFS issues drive me mental.

[06:22:58]

tanthrix:

Alright, another PSU makes the mobo standby light come on, though it's an old supply that doesn't have the new rails so I can't run the system with it

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hound:

Is there a way to add channels manually if scanning doesn't pick them up?

[07:08:30]

hound:

I guess I mean without messing with mysql tables directly.

[07:09:40]

juski:

hound: you can import a channels.conf file if you have a digital tuner

[07:10:22]

hound:

juski, I have a digital tuner, but it's an hdhomerun. I read about the channels.conf and those tools seemed specific to the pctv cards. am I incorrect?

[07:11:02]

juski:

hound: no idea how you go about it with a HDhomerun box. you should consult the wiki

[07:11:21]

juski:

morning gbee

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hound:

:-) I feel like I live in a wiki.

[07:11:33]

juski:

infact morning all too

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gbee:

morning all

[07:11:49]

juski:

#mythtv-users != wiki

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gbee:

I really want to close #2557, waiting for someone to tell me that the fix works is frustrating

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** Tanthrix has his idiot moment of the day **

[07:54:36]

Tanthrix:

So, it was the power supply. I grabbed the new one from work, installed it, got the standby power light and all that, so I booted the system.

[07:54:38]

Tanthrix:

Nothing.

[07:54:44]

gbee:

oh don't worry, I have three of those before breakfast

[07:54:45]

Tanthrix:

Mouse lights up, but no POST.

[07:54:56]

Tanthrix:

So I spent 45 min stripping the system, etc.. etc..

[07:55:18]

Tanthrix:

Only to find that when I was clearing the bios earlier, I put the jumper not back on the CMOS jumper pins, but across a fan power outlet

[07:55:29]

gbee:

heh

[07:55:33]

Tanthrix:

So, I was shorting one of the 12V fan power supplies

[07:55:54]

Tanthrix:

It's right next to it, and I couldn't see well, but none the less it was a stupid mistake

[07:56:08]

Tanthrix:

In any case, everything is working now.

[07:56:23]

Tanthrix:

Now to angrily call Rosewill about why my 6 month old PSU has bitten the dust...

[07:56:58]

hads:

I spent 20 minutes figuring out where the USB headers were on a board the other day. The were right in the middle and bright yellow. It was a Monday.

[07:57:05]

Tanthrix:

hehe

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juski:

oh that'd be like the times last week when I soldered components onto a pcb, then thought "shit! that's wrong!", then proceded to rework the chips & turn them around.. to the _wrong_ way around

[07:59:19]

juski:

a real blond moment

[08:00:03]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[08:00:25]

Tanthrix:

ghmd: Still around?

[08:02:03]

juski:

oo looks like it's gonna be nice on Tuesday for my trip to Alton Towers :)

[08:04:25]

Tanthrix:

Time to run chkdsk.

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Tanthrix:

Well, things seem to be running smoothly for now.

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IronEag1e:

good morning. anyone tried to install a mythtv-backend server without access to the local console (eg. configure x forwarding to display mythtv-setup on the local pc)?

[08:28:38]

juski:

many have tried

[08:29:05]

IronEag1e:

i tried to :) but mythtv-setup segfaults on me

[08:29:25]

IronEag1e:

it says:

[08:29:28]

IronEag1e:

X Error: BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter) 5

[08:29:31]

IronEag1e:

...

[08:29:46]

IronEag1e:

Xlib: extension "XInputExtension" missing on display "localhost:10.0".

[08:29:46]

IronEag1e:

Failed to get list of devices

[08:29:49]

IronEag1e:

...

[08:29:59]

IronEag1e:

2007-04–22 10:21:36.266 DPMS is not supported.

[08:29:59]

IronEag1e:

2007-04–22 10:21:36.284 New DB connection, total: 1

[08:29:59]

IronEag1e:

2007-04–22 10:21:36.290 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost

[08:30:01]

juski:

we have pastebins for that kind of thing

[08:30:02]

IronEag1e:

2007-04–22 10:21:36.291 Total desktop dim: 1400x1050, with 1 screen[s].

[08:30:05]

IronEag1e:

2007-04–22 10:21:36.302 Using screen 0, 1400x1050 at 0,0

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IronEag1e:

2007-04–22 10:21:36.316 Current Schema Version: 1160

[08:30:10]

IronEag1e:

Segmentation fault

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juski:

whoah!

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juski:

pastebin.ca please

[08:30:31]

IronEag1e:

oh, dont know pastebin, but i'll take a look (sorry)

[08:31:06]

juski:

how mnay irc clients don't show users the text they really need to read before coming in?

[08:31:21]

IronEag1e:

http://pastebin.ca/452438

[08:32:00]

juski:

no keyboard either? oof

[08:32:30]

IronEag1e:

well its a server down in the basement, usually does just routing, firewalling and stuff like that

[08:32:40]

juski:

would it really be much hassle to connect a monitor for half an hour?

[08:33:16]

IronEag1e:

dont have a monitor at all *sigh* me and my girlfriend both use notebooks

[08:33:30]

IronEag1e:

guess i'll borrow one

[08:33:44]

juski:

my backend doesn't have a monitor connected to it most of the time – I use vnc

[08:34:13]

IronEag1e:

mmm vnc could work

[08:34:38]

juski:

vnc is far easier than x-forwarding IMHO

[08:35:05]

juski:

I know I'll get frowned at for saying that but do I care? ;)

[08:35:39]

IronEag1e:

i wont frown :) i'll go and try to setup x for vnc :)

[08:35:45]

Tanthrix:

Man I love VNC. One of the most brilliant apps every made.

[08:35:47]

juski:

anyway you must've had a monitor connected to the server at some point... installing linux without a display is kinda tricky

[08:36:43]

Tanthrix:

On a side note, nothing ignites an existential crisis in my heart more than waiting for a monitor standby light to turn to green at POST, only for it to never come...

[08:36:59]

IronEag1e:

juski: nope it isnt :) the server has a nice feature – console redirection to serial port

[08:37:16]

IronEag1e:

that and pxe boot is all i need for installing linux

[08:38:08]

juski:

depends on which flavour of linux you're installing, of course ;)

[08:38:22]

IronEag1e:

yep. i use centos at work, and gentoo at home

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juski:

just ssh in, start vncserver as the 'mythtv' user then run mythtv-setup from the vnc session & all should be well

[08:42:02]

hads:

Or you could just ssh -X host and then run mythtv-setup

[08:42:24]

sid3windr:

that's what I do – doesn't work too well on my windows-with-dual-monitor-and-cygwin box though, works fine on my linux laptop :)

[08:42:45]

IronEag1e:

hads: thats what i tried first

[08:42:51]

IronEag1e:

but thats where i get the segfault

[08:43:11]

hads:

Bummer.

[08:43:35]

juski:

see, I told you I'd get frowned at for suggesting vnc

[08:44:08]

IronEag1e:

hehe

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IronEag1e:

emerging vnc as we speak

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hads:

Not frowning, it just seems easier to use ssh with X forwarding to me. Less stuff to mess around with.

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juski:

ps -ef |grep dvbradio

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juski:

oops

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juski:

damnit. when the heck are my jobs scheduled to happen?

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tank-man:

when ever you want

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juski:

I know that, just couldn't remember what times I'd set

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juski:

got a job here saying it's 'queued'

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juski:

oops

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juski:

hmm. having problems exporting 'the essential mix' again

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tcpsyn:

anyone in here do any x10 stuff?

[10:24:12]

juski:

x10, the slow, potentially useful home automation thing?

[10:24:18]

juski:

not me :)

[10:24:31]

tcpsyn:

that's the thing.

[10:24:38]

tcpsyn:

I was watching a video on linux mce...

[10:24:49]

tcpsyn:

and I was blown away by the way it integrated with x10

[10:25:04]

tcpsyn:

Now I'm obsessing about automating everything with x10...

[10:25:21]

juski:

you do realise that x10 is only 50 bps right?

[10:25:34]

tcpsyn:

what do I care how fast it dims my lights?

[10:26:03]

juski:

when you have a lot of devices you'll care ;)

[10:26:08]

tcpsyn:

I just want it to control the lights... and the temperature.

[10:26:17]

tcpsyn:

I'm thinking 5 lights and one device.

[10:26:21]

tcpsyn:

either the heater or the ac.

[10:26:27]

tcpsyn:

just turning it on or off

[10:26:38]

juski:

misterhouse isn't rocket science

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gbee:

!seen jlefler

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MythLogBot:

jlefler was last seen 201 days 16 hours 18 minutes 40 seconds ago

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tcpsyn:

I'm more concerned with geting a mobile device that can control it.

[10:27:11]

tcpsyn:

I want to be able to both turn on my ac when I'm nearing my house...

[10:27:17]

juski:

and fwiw, linuxmce is very much an alpha thing by the look if it

[10:27:19]

tcpsyn:

and stream myth to the device :)

[10:27:31]

tcpsyn:

did you see the linux mce vs windows mce video?

[10:27:38]

tcpsyn:

I almost wet myself.

[10:27:50]

juski:

I almost fell asleep

[10:28:00]

tcpsyn:

I watched it like 6 times

[10:28:35]

juski:

it's been possible to do all that stuff for _ages_ now

[10:28:44]

tcpsyn:

yeah.

[10:28:48]

tcpsyn:

well...

[10:28:50]

tcpsyn:

I'm slow.

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juski:

a lot of the stuff in the video is very quickly glossed over. like the fact the machine 'just knows' how to control the TV. poppycock

[10:37:21]

tcpsyn:

yeah, that doesn't make sense at all

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juski:

still, it misses out enough pertinent information to make for a good digg item

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hound:

I've noticed some people who compile myth with xvmc get a something like -lnvidia library, where I get -lXvMCW... did I mess up somewhere? if I want to use my gpu should I expect that to link to nvidia?

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sid3windr:

oh, nice idea from that linux mce. I'll get an ir blaster to turn on my tv =)

[11:03:53]

sid3windr:

selecting the third input every time is a bit tiresome

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gbee:

hound: the XvMCW is just a wrapper for the xvmc libs

[11:06:11]

gbee:

so if you want to use the nvidia xvmc, then you need to alter the xvmc config to point at the nvidia libs

[11:07:01]

gbee:

it's supposed to be simpler than configuring directly against the nvidia libs, but I'm not exactly sure why

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gbee:

/etc/X11/XvMCConfig

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gbee:

containing something like libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1

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carlos:

Hi

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carlos:

Any one is getting segmentation fault in debian etch?

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carlos_:

any one getting segmentation fault in debian etch?

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hound:

carlos, sometimes, depends what I've messed up.

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gbee:

carlos_: a segfault in mythtv?

[11:28:21]

carlos_:

gbee: yes, runing mythtv-backend or mythtv-setup

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carlos_:

just upgraded to debian etch and upgraded mythtv from debian-multimedia.org

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gbee:

ok, well that would be a bug – we shouldn't segfault even if there is an underlying misconfiguration problem

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gbee:

do you know what version of mythtv that is?

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carlos_:

the package version is: 0.20-svn20070223–0.0

[11:30:59]

gbee:

hmm, even for fixes that's a little old

[11:31:07]

carlos_:

may be a permission problem? when upgraded debian I notice the /tmp wasn't writtable by users

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carlos_:

(now it is, though)

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gbee:

carlos_: it might be, you could try running with "-v all"

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gbee:

it will spit out a lot of irrelevant debugging information, but you might be able to see where it's failing

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carlos_:

gbee: no messages, runing the backend as root also segfaults :(

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carlos_:

I should build from source then..

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gbee:

carlos_: yep. It's not too hard and worth doing for the experience.

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carlos_:

gbee: ok, i'll try

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Lathiat:

The common problem seems to be the bitrate but thats not the case I've tried heaps of appropriate settings

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** hound gives up and will just edit the mysql manually to enter channels. tried to modify channels, but it doesn't actually change the frequency **

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juski:

Lathiat: using dvb?

[11:46:20]

Lathiat:

juski: yeh dvb-t

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gbee:

hound: what version are you running?

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Lathiat:

i _think_ the issue is the bitrate on my mpegs are *just* too high but not sure

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juski:

Lathiat: maybe try using ffmpeg -i $filename -acodec copy -vcodec copy $outputfile .. then try demuxing & remuxing

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juski:

though you know projectx shouldn't need to remux the 'fixed' file

[11:48:02]

** Lathiat tries **

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Lathiat:

juski: well, im using projectx to demux it and then mplex to remux

[11:48:25]

Lathiat:

i dont move the a/v sync simply demuxing and remuxing fixes it

[11:48:31]

Lathiat:

on other files but on most recordings i keep hitting this issue

[11:48:52]

Lathiat:

otherwise when editing in avidemux or even playign in mplayer the raw dumps have horrid and unpredictable a/v sync

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juski:

all you're basically doing is stripping out the extra packets you don't need – as well as fixing the audio track timestamps

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** Lathiat nods **

[11:49:20]

Lathiat:

is there a better way to do that?

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juski:

I've had good results with projectx in the past

[11:49:59]

Lathiat:

will projectx do the remux part for me?

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juski:

you could try a lossless mpeg2-mpeg2 transcode too

[11:50:28]

juski:

that _should_ strip out the cruft & unmangle the timestamps I think

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Lathiat:

hrm getting lots of this from that ffmpeg command

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Lathiat:

[mpeg @ 0xb7f9e2d0]packet too large, ignoring buffer limits to mux it

[11:50:40]

Lathiat:

[mpeg @ 0xb7f9e2d0]buffer underflow

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Lathiat:

that good, bad or not a worry?

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juski:

no idea

[11:51:12]

juski:

is your signal largely error free?

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tanq:

ok so i think i'm back to starting from scratch.. i give up on knoppmyth.

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Lathiat:

juski: no visual/audial errors

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juski:

tanq: you mean you didn't ever maintain it & it broke. not knoppmyth's fault ;)

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Lathiat:

so "largely" is probably acurate

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juski:

Lathiat: hrm. in windows I used to use a thing called pvastrumento

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tanq:

juski: nope. nice try though.. I mean i just installed it and there are too many things broke, and i don't have enough time to contribute.

[11:53:13]

juski:

it runs under wine, that pvastrumento allegedly

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hound:

gbee, svn-fixes

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hound:

gbee, it's all working correctly, but change the channel table info doesn't actually change the underlying frequencies. If my cable brought a strong signal I bet i'd have less trouble, but it's not detecting a lot of what I can watch.

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gbee:

hound: ok, just checking because a bunch of scanning changes were backported to -fixes in the last week or so

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Lathiat:

juski: hrm, not much luck on those fronts, any idea on the fastest and lossiest way to drop thje bitrate of an mpeg a little?

[12:07:11]

juski:

other than remuxing it, nope

[12:07:33]

Lathiat:

problem seems mplex doesnt want to have more than 8,200,000 bit/s in the video stream

[12:07:36]

Lathiat:

my videos seem to be 9,000,000

[12:07:52]

Lathiat:

because its out of dvd spec (which annoyingly doesnt matter much to me)

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woland_:

does anyone know why when i try and run a channel scan after adding my nova-t tuner card to capture cards the scanner cant access the card?

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woland_:

the scan command seems to find lots of channels

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tanq:

is the card setup correctly in myth?

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woland_:

i never tweaked anything else

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woland_:

do i need to?

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tanq:

what is the exact message that you get in myth?

[12:29:15]

tanq:

when you click on scan for channels does it show "Failed to open card"

[12:29:36]

woland_:

i go into channel editor, then to channel scanner, and scan type says "Failed to open card"

[12:30:22]

tanq:

your card is probably locked by another application.

[12:30:32]

woland_:

lsof shows nothing

[12:31:10]

tanq:

that was more notional. you need to lsof the path to your dvb device.

[12:31:29]

woland_:

lsof | grep -i dvb shows nothing

[12:33:14]

tanq:

I can't think of anything else off hand. Have you googled it?

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woland_:

tanq, yeah, i've followed so many guides this weekend

[12:33:37]

woland_:

this is day two

[12:34:02]

tanq:

you're preaching to the choir here.

[12:34:04]

tanq:

;)

[12:34:06]

woland_:

hehe

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woland_:

scan/mplayer dvb:// work fine

[12:34:58]

tanq:

i never should have started from scratch again.

[12:35:27]

tanq:

i had a working installation and decided to reinstall everything because i was adding an hd card..

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woland_:

doh, was it easy enough the first time?

[12:37:58]

tanq:

after i bought supported hardware

[12:38:30]

tanq:

its weird.. I always end up buyin the single piece of hardware that open source projects don't support

[12:39:04]

woland_:

lol tell me about it

[12:39:37]

tanq:

but now I have the dvb card issue.. although slightly different from yours.

[12:40:06]

tanq:

where I can scan channels but I couldn't get xine, vlc or mplayer to play the video.

[12:41:02]

juski:

tanq: well, some might say it serves you right for buying before doing your research. we see so many sob stories here

[12:41:05]

woland_:

what distro?

[12:41:18]

tanq:

juski: oh yeah tell me about it.. not a sob story though.

[12:41:49]

juski:

given enough time, a crowbar & welding gear I'm sure you'll suss it all out

[12:41:51]

tanq:

as i held the box in my hand I was convinving myself that there was no way it wasn't supported..

[12:41:54]

tanq:

heh

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woland_:

lol

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tanq:

juski: I could have been done already to be honest.. but I decided to go after one of these OTB solutions..

[12:43:06]

juski:

OTB?

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tanq:

out of the box. although not really.

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woland_:

the first card i bought was a usb hvr thing

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woland_:

ended up buying a tv with digital the same evening

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juski:

you have to be desperate to want to watch that shite

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woland_:

haha absolutely

[12:45:52]

juski:

if you feel the need to watch talentless, tuneless ugly buffoons make arses of themselves, go to any karaoke night

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woland_:

juski, damn good idea – i can get hammered and she can watch the losers :)

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juski:

wow. HUGE DOG

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juski:

blech

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juski:

S2: maybe you need to use a wide aspect mode instead

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woland_:

i've got both channels working fantastic with mplayer – shame i cant get mythtv working

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S2:

this happens with the openchrome driver

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S2:

on another laptop with an i810 chip this works

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S2:

no idea anyone?

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S2:

juski, i know your infinite knowledge can be of help :)

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juski:

well 1280x720 is a 16:9 aspect resolution. 1024x768 isn't

[12:56:22]

juski:

anyway isn't DISPLAYSIZE only for font scaling?

[12:56:26]

juski:

font/icon

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S2:

oh, is it?

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S2:

hmmm

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Lathiat:

is there a button to skip to the end of the show (im watching a show tahts still recording) but no matter how many times i hit the right arrow its still a few seconds behind :)

[12:57:56]

S2:

my tv has 1280x720 native resolution, but on the vga connector accepts only 1024x768.

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S2:

so on the pc i have 1024x768->vga->tv

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juski:

S2: so maybe you need to go with DVI

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S2:

and when i set the displaysize option in xorg it scales the movies correctly

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juski:

nah, your TV is scaling

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S2:

juski, yes... but the dvi-02 chip of my motherbord is not supported by the openchrome driver

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S2:

:(

[13:00:03]

S2:

yes, the tv is scaling too

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juski:

what'll happen is that you're outputting 16:9 stuff but squashing it – then your TV is just unsquashing it

[13:00:23]

S2:

yes, exactly

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juski:

so is that screenshot of mythtv?

[13:00:46]

juski:

or is it mplayer or something else?

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S2:

it's mythtv

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S2:

i tried with mplayer and it's the same

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tanq:

weird

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S2:

mplayer -v -fs 1087371.divx -monitoraspect 16:9

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juski:

and when you don't have a weird displaysize setting?

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S2:

i try

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S2:

stand by :)

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juski:

I'd not expect that to make any difference at all

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S2:

restarting x...

[13:03:14]

S2:

opening a terminal...

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gbee:

does the card you are using support TV out? Could just feed the tv a component/s-video signal with the correct resolution

[13:03:59]

S2:

yes

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S2:

it's the same :(

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S2:

gbee, yes, but no...

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gbee:

rather than using vga, which is limited to the wrong res

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S2:

i am using the tv out rca connector for the spdif sound output

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S2:

gbee, i hope the openchrome drivers will have support for the dvi-02 chip on my motherboard

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S2:

one day

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S2:

but until then i am sol with dvi

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S2:

Verhaegen sad he will add support in a few weeks

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S2:

so maybe in a few months it will work in openchrome

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S2:

but that is a lot of time :)

[13:09:14]

Kazan:

ATSC uses the same frequency space as NTSC right?

[13:09:34]

Kazan:

so if I had a NTSC signal booster it would work for ATSC signals as well?

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S2:

anything else i could try?

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S2:

using -vo x11 instead of xv works!

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S2:

it's really slow but it works

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S2:

maybe it's an openchrome bug, reporting back some wrong numbers to mplayer

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S2:

hmm

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woland_:

lsof just showed the mythtv user as having permission denied on the dvb adaptors, but they are rx group video which mythv is a member of

[13:17:55]

S2:

woland_, maybe they are in use

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S2:

what does fuser say?

[13:18:44]

woland_:

after mythtv closed the devices were no longer in use

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S2:

maybe the backend is still running?

[13:21:10]

woland_:

if i kill all mythtv processes, then fireup mythtv setup to tune the channels should that allow me to scan?

[13:22:06]

S2:

woland_, maybe. if no other process is using the dvb adapter yes.

[13:22:09]

Kazan:

if backend is running and you try mythtv-setup you will probably be incapable of scanning

[13:22:26]

Kazan:

backend, unless a certain setting is set, keeps ownership of your DVB adapters

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** Kazan grumbles.... OSD during HDTV really causes my system to bog.... but i'm only around 50% usage **

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woland_:

Kazan, it looks like mythtv-setup kills the backend before running

[13:23:28]

Kazan:

nope...

[13:23:33]

Kazan:

mine never does

[13:23:42]

Kazan:

unless you're using head and that's new

[13:23:44]

Kazan:

i'm using .20-fixes

[13:24:03]

gbee:

it doesn't behave any differently in head

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woland_:

i have mythtv-setup running and lsof doesn't show anything using the dvb adaptors

[13:25:00]

woland_:

yet i still get Failed to open the card when trying to scan

[13:26:46]

woland_:

does that mean it's not a permission problem?

[13:27:12]

S2:

woland_, can you cat the demux as mythtv user?

[13:28:10]

Kazan:

i think they can lock them without having them open

[13:28:16]

Kazan:

try turning backend off

[13:29:03]

woland_:

mythtv@titan:~$

[13:29:44]

Kazan:

did you try stopping backend and then using setup

[13:30:02]

S2:

can you open the card with something that is not myth? mplayer for example? kaffeine?

[13:30:14]

woland_:

Kazan, it's not running

[13:30:26]

woland_:

S2, yeah mplayer works well with both channels

[13:31:08]

S2:

what is the exact error message mythtv-setup gives?

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dunstabulos_:

hiya does anyone have a torrent/magnet link for knoppmyth, i looked on the linked website but couldn't find one

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woland_:

S2, in the Scan Type: field it shows "Failed to open the card"

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S2:

woland_, and on stout?

[13:33:27]

woland_:

nothing

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S2:

well, good luck then :)

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woland_:

i'm just running it with >out 2>&1 – i'll pastebin the output

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Kazan:

anyone else here using XvMC + HDTV

[13:35:20]

gbee:

woland_: the cards are configured correctly in 'Capture Cards'?

[13:35:39]

woland_:

gbee, yeah as DVB v3.x

[13:36:07]

gbee:

and it can see the cards in that view? i.e. it correctly identifys the card subtype?

[13:36:54]

juski:

woland_: you don't cat the demux

[13:36:59]

juski:

you cat the dvr device

[13:37:14]

woland_:

gbee, yeah it picks it up as subtype DVB-T

[13:38:03]

gbee:

Frontend as "DiBcom 3000MC/P"

[13:38:11]

Kazan:

hey gbee

[13:38:13]

Kazan:

you have HD right?

[13:38:14]

woland_:

juski, i have permission to cat that too

[13:38:21]

woland_:

gbee, yup

[13:38:59]

juski:

afaik nothing should come out of catting the demux device

[13:39:06]

gbee:

Kazan: no I don't – no FTA HD channels in the UK apart from a trial broadcast in London

[13:39:17]

Kazan:

gbee: you have to be kidding me?

[13:39:24]

Kazan:

well.. in the UK you're using DVB though

[13:39:26]

woland_:

juski, nothing does – i think it was just a permissions test

[13:39:29]

juski:

Kazan: he's not

[13:39:31]

Kazan:

so you should be able to get a DVB-C card and the CM for it....

[13:39:38]

juski:

Kazan: no

[13:39:40]

Kazan:

or is that "on paper only"

[13:39:56]

Kazan:

and the cable companies there are just as big of buttmonkeys asthose here in the states

[13:40:00]

gbee:

Kazan: nope, there are encrypted cable and satellite HD channels, but nothing broadcast unencrypted

[13:40:06]

juski:

there's NO way for UK users to get HDTV for free, and then NO way to get HDTV into mythtv in the UK legally

[13:40:23]

Kazan:

seriously... DVB-C includes a decryption card spec i thought

[13:40:25]

juski:

and even if we could, it's h.264

[13:40:41]

dunstabulos_:

or does anyone know a reasonably fast mirror for knoppmyth, i'm getting 4kb/s here

[13:40:49]

juski:

Kazan: see that depends on a cable company allowing us to own a CAM for their encripplement

[13:40:49]

Kazan:

just like the state's cableCARD... except forced to be more consumer friendly... i thought i talked to some people who had DVB-C + CMs

[13:41:00]

Kazan:

i thought it was a law that they had to

[13:41:05]

juski:

nope

[13:41:08]

Kazan:

maybe it is in germany

[13:41:15]

gbee:

Kazan: it's not legal in the UK to decrypt cable using anything but the settop box

[13:41:28]

juski:

if you've talked to anybody in the UK who is using DVB-C with mythtv, they're breaking the law!

[13:41:40]

Kazan:

dunno which european country they were in

[13:41:45]

Kazan:

cable companies are buttholes

[13:42:07]

juski:

heh. if I had a cable company & wanted to protect my investment I'd do the same if not worse

[13:42:15]

Kazan:

i woudln't

[13:42:27]

Kazan:

but then i believe that respecting consumners gets you more loyal customers and less support calls

[13:42:36]

juski:

customers are idiots

[13:42:36]

gbee:

the only people in the UK watching HD through mythtv are a lucky few who are accessing the trial broadcasts in London and I don't believe they show anything more than a test image

[13:42:47]

Kazan:

but happy idiots are less likely to be trouble

[13:42:49]

juski:

gbee: they get Dr Who & stuff AFAIK

[13:42:53]

woland_:

i'm using mythtv-0.20-svn20070122 if it makes any difference

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juski:

Hotel babylon, Hustle... all no doubt very pretty in HD

[13:43:31]

Kazan:

they broadcast harry potter (The first one) in HD here yesterday on one of the OTA channels i get

[13:43:39]

juski:

looked like some of the marathon coverage was sourced in HD this morning

[13:43:48]

Kazan:

of course it's my weakest signal one and ASTC's 8VSB is less robust than DVB-T's COFDM

[13:43:53]

Kazan:

so i got a lot of glitches :(

[13:43:53]

juski:

you can even tell on SDTV when the source is HD

[13:43:58]

gbee:

juski: really, well nothing I'm likely to be upset at missing ;)

[13:44:24]

juski:

downscaled HD looks nicer than SD sourced SD :)

[13:44:32]

gbee:

woland_: try the most recent version of fixes (aka 0.20.1) it has a few scanning fixes

[13:44:51]

Kazan:

juski: does enabling xvmc opengl help with the OSD a lot... because the OSD KILLS my xvmc output (i have XVMC enabled only for HD) despite my CPU stay around 50%

[13:45:08]

gbee:

or SVN, which works (sort of) for me

[13:45:30]

juski:

Kazan: OSD causes a few issues for me too, but I'm not too bothered about it since I don't use livetv in normal use

[13:45:36]

Kazan:

which would be more CPU usage – keeping my screen at 1280x720 and scaling down 1080i content, or going 1920x1080 and letting the TV do the scaling

[13:45:46]

Kazan:

it's not livetv i'm worried about

[13:45:54]

Kazan:

the OSD lags out all HD.. even recordings

[13:45:56]

juski:

Kazan: scaling down will cause more cpu usage

[13:46:08]

Kazan:

hmm

[13:46:18]

juski:

any scaling will

[13:46:37]

Kazan:

right now i'm using VGA as input.. i wonder if the TV can handle 1920x1080 from the VGA line

[13:46:52]

juski:

if it's a CRT TV, be careful ffs

[13:46:58]

Kazan:

it's not

[13:47:17]

Kazan:

it's a 32" 16:9 LCD w/ 768p res

[13:47:19]

juski:

you're unlikely to do it any harm even if you screw it up though.. but unlikely is still.. you know.. there's a chance ;)

[13:47:32]

** Kazan has a DVI to HDMI cable as well.. but it was cutting off edges of the image for some reason **

[13:47:33]

woland_:

i get the same problem no matter what user i run mythtvsetup as

[13:47:55]

juski:

Kazan: most if not all TVs overscan. FA you can do about it

[13:48:03]

juski:

yes, even HDTVs

[13:48:16]

Kazan:

doesn't do it to my VGA

[13:48:18]

juski:

content producers still assume folks TVs overscan

[13:48:28]

Kazan:

yeah i noticed

[13:48:31]

Kazan:

image is fine in mythtv

[13:48:35]

Kazan:

but user interfaces get cut off

[13:48:39]

Kazan:

brb testing 1920x1080

[13:48:41]

juski:

so adjust em

[13:48:51]

juski:

that's why the mythtv gui is scalable ;)

[13:49:06]

juski:

I scale the UI to account for 5% overscan & play TV fullscreen

[13:49:36]

juski:

my pvr150 comes out really nice, but not as nice as the digitally sourced stuff from Freeview ;)

[13:49:47]

Kazan:

grr it didn't load the new res

[13:50:48]

juski:

OMG... my CCTV DVR doesn't like the garden camera.. motion jpeg isn't very nice to it

[13:50:51]

dunstabulos_:

is anyone using knoppmyth? how did you download it. I have over a day to wait apparently

[13:50:58]

Kazan:

TV reports it's operating at it's max res

[13:52:05]

Kazan:

but not what the computer should be

[13:52:13]

Kazan:

how do i check what res that X is running at?

[13:53:21]

dunstabulos_:

i'm using mythweb and i scheduled a recording with the auto-flag commercials and auto transcode and it has finished commercial flagging but does not seem to have started the transcode. where should i look to find out what is happening?

[13:55:35]

gbee:

check the logs and job queue

[13:55:36]

gbee:

mythweb/status

[13:55:50]

gbee:

mythweb/backend_log

[13:56:45]

Kazan:

hmm

[13:57:03]

clever:

im getting alot of 'waiting for prebuffer' msgs when trying to watch this show

[13:57:03]

Kazan:

it fellback onto autoselect and negotiated a resolution with the video card

[13:57:04]

Kazan:

clever

[13:57:43]

clever:

i know the backend is a 6 hour drive away and only has 50kb/sec upload to me

[13:58:03]

clever:

but i copyed the nuv to my laptop overnight so it will get proper performance

[13:58:15]

dunstabulos_:

mythbackend log has nothing since before the recording started and i don't seem to have a mythweb log, but the status page has the flag commercials job listed as complete, but no other things in the job queue

[14:00:52]

gbee:

dunstabulos_: for some odd reason (or a bug) it's not triggered a transcode job

[14:01:21]

Kazan:

bastage.. it autonegotiated 1360x768 over the HDMI cable too

[14:01:30]

clever:

nvm fixed it

[14:02:12]

gbee:

unless there is a transcode job in the queue, it will never start transcoding

[14:04:04]

Kazan:

is there a "standard" modeline for 1080(i/p) over HDMI?

[14:04:25]

dunstabulos_:

gbee: ill try looking in the ubuntu bugs database

[14:06:37]

dunstabulos_:

is there a way i can kick off a manual transcode to medium quality or to xvid for example?

[14:07:06]

clever:

many

[14:07:20]

Kazan:

come on... there has to be a "Stadard" modeline for 1080

[14:07:51]

Kazan:

so that the TV thinks it's just a normal HDMI signal (it recognizes 1280x720 as just 720p.. but when my 1920x1080 failed it negotiated and it recognizes it as from a computer)

[14:07:54]

clever:

dunstabulos_: most are thru mythfrontend but the newest mythweb has a transcode button

[14:08:10]

gbee:

dunstabulos_: not with mythweb in 0.20 as I recall, but that option is in SVN

[14:08:28]

clever:

yeah svn(newest)

[14:08:43]

linuxbomb:

Kazan, have they even figured out the hdmi format yet?? HDMI is junk that will be gone in a year

[14:09:09]

IronEag1e:

well hdmi isnt that bad

[14:09:16]

dunstabulos_:

gbee, clever: i'm a bit new to this so i'd rather stay with ubuntu's packaged versions; thanks for the help i'm looking into nuvexport

[14:09:21]

clever:

.

[14:09:24]

Kazan:

linuxbomb: ?????

[14:09:39]

Kazan:

whatever it is.. that's irrelevant.. my TV uses HDMI and i have a DVI to HDMI cable

[14:09:45]

clever:

dunstabulos_: when i was using the ubuntu packages i wound up with 0.18 version

[14:09:46]

IronEag1e:

Kazan: me too

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IronEag1e:

but i'm using just 720p

[14:09:57]

Kazan:

i just need to force my computer to send 1920x1080 i or p down the line

[14:09:59]

dunstabulos_:

clever: feisty has 0.20

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clever:

ahh

[14:10:07]

clever:

my laptop has feisty

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dunstabulos_:

:d

[14:10:09]

Kazan:

i was using 720p as well.. but i want to force my TV to down the downscaling

[14:10:14]

clever:

but i just got that upgraded

[14:10:27]

clever:

and its still unstable

[14:10:28]

IronEag1e:

Kazan: probably more trouble than its worth

[14:10:43]

clever:

just using my wireless card at 100% power causes a solid lockup

[14:10:44]

clever:

not even sysrq responds

[14:10:57]

IronEag1e:

Kazan: 1080p has too many problems due to its definition (only 24fps etc)

[14:11:05]

clever:

changing to a slightly older kernel fixed it for now

[14:11:25]

juski:

only 24fps.. like movies you mean..

[14:11:35]

gbee:

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/6480/mythw . . . tailsyu8.png

[14:11:51]

IronEag1e:

juski: jeah. 1080p/50 or 60 isnt really a standard yet, so for sports, or video games etc 720p is the best you can get

[14:11:52]

Kazan:

30fps here in the states

[14:11:58]

Kazan:

1080p = 30fps over HDMI

[14:12:02]

Kazan:

but i'm going to push 1080i if i can

[14:12:08]

Kazan:

i have a "Standard modeline" for i think

[14:12:39]

juski:

but BD / HD-DVD is going to support 1080p at 24fps. hahahaha

[14:12:53]

Kazan:

and it ignored it

[14:12:55]

IronEag1e:

juski: btw, i connected a monitor

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anykey_:

gbee: nice one ;-)

[14:13:06]

IronEag1e:

juski: mythtv-setup dosnt segfault anymore :)

[14:13:13]

juski:

IronEag1e: yay :)

[14:13:51]

Kazan:

hrm

[14:13:52]

juski:

gbee: whoah.. niceness!

[14:13:56]

IronEag1e:

juski: just having some troubles with the defintion of videosources and channels, so i'm going to download a few hotows, grab my notebook and go back downstaires to the server

[14:13:57]

Kazan:

it's claiming no Valid modes for 1920x1080

[14:14:07]

Kazan:

but i just put in a modline for it

[14:14:22]

gbee:

juski: that's just svn head :)

[14:14:27]

juski:

I should try doing a theme for mythweb

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juski:

it's been on the cards for a while now

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Kazan:

ooh

[14:15:12]

Kazan:

the tv didn't like that

[14:15:14]

Kazan:

"invalid format"

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IronEag1e:

Be sure to associate your tuner card with a tuner in step 2. In step 3 configure the channel data. In step 4, associate your tuner in step 2, with the channel data in step 3.

[14:15:43]

IronEag1e:

great howto :P

[14:15:59]

S2:

IronEag1e, :)

[14:16:32]

Kazan:

guess i won't be able to force 1080 across the HDMI.. it won't accept it

[14:16:41]

linuxbomb:

is linux media center any good?

[14:16:44]

Kazan:

erg.. undefined reference XvMCPutSlice2?

[14:16:50]

Kazan:

(was recompiling)

[14:17:07]

juski:

linuxbomb: nope

[14:17:09]

S2:

linuxbomb, yes, it's cool

[14:17:18]

S2:

hahaha juski :)

[14:17:27]

juski:

you mean.. "did you fall for the hype already?" ;)

[14:17:41]

S2:

i tried it and i liked it.

[14:17:44]

linuxbomb:

mythtv is better at the moment right?

[14:18:15]

Kazan:

juski: 1080i down to 768p is going to cost less cpu than 1080i down to 720p, yes?

[14:18:19]

juski:

depends. looks like linuxmce is going to try to be all things to all men, whereas mythtv is a pvr app

[14:18:59]

linuxbomb:

oh i think i'll stick with what works for now

[14:19:03]

juski:

also looks like linuxmce has the most _gash_ UI ever devised IMHO

[14:19:12]

juski:

Kazan: experiment

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linuxbomb:

most high def capture cards send the native signal without conversion right? like if i was watching a 1080i signal it wouldnt try and convert it to 720?

[14:22:50]

linuxbomb:

or am i wrong ? it would be a lot easier if the capture card would do some conversion for me so i could record in a fixed format

[14:23:09]

juski:

strictly speaking there aren't any high def capture cards. they're only tuner cards that take an OTA or QAM signal & extract an mpeg2 stream

[14:23:20]

dunstabulos_:

hmm when i try to run mythtranscode i'm getting an unknown video codec error

[14:23:30]

gbee:

hmm, doesn't look like xris added support for fetching channel icons from the backend yet

[14:23:33]

juski:

dunstabulos_: you've not set up a transcoding profile

[14:23:38]

gbee:

which is odd, because I thought he had

[14:24:14]

linuxbomb:

juski, so mythtv must do a lot of work converting signals ?

[14:24:38]

juski:

linuxbomb: not really

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Kazan:

trying to recode HDTV in realtime on a standard home computer.. forget it :D

[14:25:19]

juski:

if you have enough speed you can easily scale HD during playback

[14:25:21]

Kazan:

mable a dual quadcore opteron (8 cores)

[14:28:03]

dunstabulos_:

as in exact same or both 0.20 is fine?

[14:28:11]

juski:

changes in the database schema & mythtv protocol can cause problems between different revisions. and I'm not just talking about 0.19 vs 0.20 here

[14:28:40]

juski:

2 different revs of 0.20-fixes might not be happy together

[14:29:02]

dunstabulos_:

ill install a frontend on my backend for now

[14:29:57]

linuxbomb:

I can see that having 2 cores would help but I think 8 cores is overkill right? I mean each process gets a certain amount of cpu from a given core so xserver could eat up one core mythfrotend another etc

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tatters:

Do I put the gamelist.xml in ./mythtv folder ,if so do I need to configure anything in game/setup or will it be found automatically

[14:31:59]

linuxbomb:

I could be wrong in that statement, but thats what i've seen on my system thus far

[14:37:41]

woland_:

is it possible to crank up the verbosity of mythtv's logging?

[14:38:04]

woland_:

my wife will kill me if i leave her having to call mplayer to watch tv!

[14:38:38]

IronEag1e:

linuxbomb: we have dual quadcore servers at work :) and we use them

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IronEag1e:

mmm.

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linuxbomb:

IronEag1e, yeah do you run mythtv on them?

[14:39:56]

IronEag1e:

linuxbomb: uhm, no. citrix and vmware esx actually

[14:40:09]

IronEag1e:

mmm. mythtv-setup wont let me scan for tv channels

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woland_:

IronEag1e, what error are you getting?

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dunstabulos_:

where do i det the mythtv backend password?

[14:41:34]

juski:

this is one of the reasons it's pretty essential to have a monitor on the backend – at least for getting it set up

[14:41:46]

IronEag1e:

woland_: i can see both dvb-s cards in the "capture card" menu. i set them to be connected to an lnb. then i created two video sources, both for EIT guide

[14:41:51]

juski:

you _have_ made sure the tuner card(s) work in linux already haven't you?

[14:42:23]

woland_:

juski, is that a common problem here?

[14:42:40]

IronEag1e:

then i go to input connections, and click on "scan for channels" and i get "error parsing parameters" when i start a full scan

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juski:

IronEag1e: that doesn't prove they work

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IronEag1e:

juski: is there a easy way to test the cards?

[14:47:45]

Kazan:

"Editing a video is difficult to impossible with XvMC." ... why?

[14:47:48]

juski:

anyway as far as I know for dvb-s you need to give mythtv-setup some basic information (like the main transponder freq.) for scanning to work

[14:48:33]

juski:

and as far as _I_ know there's no English language howto for dvb-s & mythtv

[14:48:47]

IronEag1e:

ah this is from the command line: http://pastebin.ca/452792

[14:48:57]

woland_:

gbee, are you using a nova-t?

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IronEag1e:

juski: i'd take a german howto :-)

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gbee:

woland_: yes

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woland_:

gbee, the bonded usb one?

[14:49:46]

gbee:

aye, I've also got one of the old single tuner ones

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woland_:

does your remote show up in /proc/bus/input/devices?

[14:50:42]

gbee:

no

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Kazan:

grr

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gbee:

I'm not using the remote btw

[14:51:07]

Kazan:

i'm getting link errors on XvMCPutSlice2 when trying to compile for XVMC lib XvMCNVIDIA

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gbee:

so I can't really help with remote questions

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woland_:

mines plugged in and i still dont get the entry

[14:52:41]

IronEag1e:

aaah its scanning

[14:53:33]

IronEag1e:

well

[14:53:36]

IronEag1e:

its not

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Kazan:

anyone have any ideas wtf is with the link error?

[14:55:28]

IronEag1e:

juski: is http://pastebin.ca/452797 prove enough for "the cards are working"? :)

[14:56:01]

juski:

IronEag1e: pretty much yeah

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juski:

IronEag1e: you need to put the initial transponder details into mythtv-setup to scan dvb-s

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juski:

IronEag1e: german howto.. check out the ubuntu guide on mythwiki.de

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sandeen_:

anyone know what can -cause- the "AutoExpire: ERROR when trying to autoexpire file: /video/1520_20070420215358.mpg. File doesn't exist." sorts of messages?

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IronEag1e:

juski: i'll take a look

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gbee:

sandeen_: you aren't manually deleting recordings from the filesystem are you?

[14:58:41]

sandeen_:

gbee, nope

[14:59:07]

gbee:

then no, I don't know

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sandeen_:

k :)

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gbee:

well the auto-expirer is trying to delete files, presumably because you have a recording in progress

[15:02:52]

dunstabulos_:

i've done something to my mythtv setup in trying to get the frontend working

[15:03:28]

Kazan:

aaaah.... those link errors are probably XvMC VLD

[15:05:01]

sandeen_:

gbee, nothing is recording

[15:05:11]

sandeen_:

I think it's an old failed autoexpire that is getting retried

[15:05:29]

sandeen_:

gbee, I can get rid of it by just touching the file in question :) but still wonder how it came up in the first place

[15:07:03]

gbee:

sandeen_: no idea, unless like I said a file was deleted directly off the filesystem

[15:07:19]

gbee:

leaving an orphaned entry in the recorded table

[15:07:27]

gbee:

it's probably a live-tv entry

[15:07:29]

sandeen_:

yeah... dunno. I didn't do that

[15:07:32]

sandeen_:

it is a live tv entry, yes

[15:07:35]

IronEag1e:

mmmm mythtv scans but just finds 10 channels or so

[15:08:20]

Kazan:

IronEag1e: the other channels may be encrypted

[15:08:36]

Kazan:

DVB-S yes? do you have the decrypter module for your service?

[15:08:51]

IronEag1e:

Kazan: nope. there are more than 100 unencrypted tv stations over here :)

[15:08:58]

Kazan:

lucky bastage

[15:09:06]

Kazan:

i get 4 ATSC channels OTA

[15:09:26]

** Kazan wonders where iron lives **

[15:09:29]

Kazan:

ah... de

[15:09:35]

Kazan:

deutschland > alles :P

[15:09:56]

IronEag1e:

:)

[15:10:00]

** Kazan is seriously considering moving to germany after he gets his degree **

[15:10:14]

IronEag1e:

well, the satellite covers europe, not just germany :)

[15:10:16]

Kazan:

my german is a bit rusty ... but i'm sure it'll all come back and I'd quickly get better at it tan i ever had been

[15:10:26]

Kazan:

yeah.. but i'm american

[15:10:32]

Kazan:

so i cannot get that signal :p

[15:10:45]

IronEag1e:

slightly out of range for the astra satellites :)

[15:10:51]

Kazan:

just a touch

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sandeen_:

hrmph i'm gonna use up my spindown cycles just testing this :)

[15:13:33]

Kazan:

IronEag1e: and my ATSC signals are weak too... lots of glitching

[15:13:46]

Kazan:

of course that has to do with ATSC's 8VSB being less robust than DVB's COFDM

[15:15:34]

dunstabulos_:

how do you add a new transcoding option?

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gbee:

Recording Profiles

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dunstabulos_:

yeah when i am there what do i press to add a new one. i tried insert

[15:17:27]

IronEag1e:

mmm i'll try to import a channel file from dvbscan

[15:18:29]

gbee:

dunstabulos_: the first option in the list is "Create new profile"

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gbee:

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2299/trans . . . filesew6.png

[15:19:59]

gbee:

dunstabulos_: oh you mean from mythweb again?

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juski:

IronEag1e: that won't fix it

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Kazan:

gcc is so slow

[15:21:42]

IronEag1e:

juski: no? damn.

[15:21:57]

IronEag1e:

dumping lists (1312 services)

[15:21:58]

juski:

IronEag1e: nope. for EIT to work you need info that a channels.conf file doesn't provide

[15:22:15]

IronEag1e:

mmm dvbscan finds way more services than mythtv-setup

[15:22:42]

juski:

IronEag1e: because I think you need to put the transponder details in yourself

[15:23:19]

juski:

will somebody who knows what they are doing with dvb-s in Europe PLEASE write a decent guide ?

[15:23:36]

juski:

screenshots, the lot!

[15:23:54]

gardengnome:

heh

[15:24:11]

juski:

I mean there must be hundreds if not thousands of DVB-S users out there, all keeping stuff to themselves ;)

[15:24:28]

IronEag1e:

juski: well, i volunteer for writing the howto once i figured it out :)

[15:24:39]

juski:

good on you

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IronEag1e:

juski: and i tried entering transponder details, but it just finds 10 stations or so

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gardengnome:

IronEag1e: are you german? trying to scan channels on astra?

[15:25:16]

IronEag1e:

dvbscan (using the same transponder details) finds >1000 services

[15:25:18]

IronEag1e:

gardengnome: yeah

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juski:

gardengnome: I pointed him at mythwiki.de

[15:25:43]

gardengnome:

IronEag1e: read the "Ubuntu" article at mythwiki.de

[15:25:54]

IronEag1e:

i tried http://mythwiki.de/index.php?title=MythTV_Ins . . . onfigurieren

[15:26:06]

juski:

IronEag1e: I said the _ubuntu_ guide

[15:26:07]

IronEag1e:

but ill take a look at the ubuntu article

[15:26:28]

** juski bangs his head on the desk **

[15:26:58]

IronEag1e:

this one, right? http://mythwiki.de/index.php?title=Ubuntu

[15:27:03]

gardengnome:

yes

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juski:

yup

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IronEag1e:

btw, the transponder data is identical in both articles

[15:29:09]

IronEag1e:

and the result is the same too.... just a handfull of stations gets detected

[15:29:28]

dunstabulos_:

gbee: i edited low quality. i got mythfrontend up and running again. thanks

[15:30:00]

dunstabulos_:

oddly i didn't have the create new profile, double checking now

[15:31:00]

gbee:

dunstabulos_: possible that has only been added in SVN, I can never remember

[15:32:02]

IronEag1e:

hmmm

[15:32:06]

IronEag1e:

aaah

[15:32:13]

IronEag1e:

ok, think it works now

[15:33:10]

IronEag1e:

juski: keep pointing people to that article and remind them to read it including the "hints" section :)

[15:35:24]

IronEag1e:

another question before i leave the basement and return to my living room – i kept the general settings on the backend-server pointing to 127.0.0.1 – does this affect my ability to add multiple frontends?

[15:36:21]

sandeen_:

gbee, hey btw I think I figured out (sorta) why I ran into the missing file

[15:36:36]

gbee:

do tell

[15:36:40]

sandeen_:

well a clue

[15:36:40]

sandeen_:

2007-04–20 23:32:09.839 Expiring 20/20 "Planet Earth 2007: Seven Ways to Help Save the World" from Fri Apr 20 21:00:00 2007, 0 MBytes, forced expire (LiveTV recording)

[15:36:40]

sandeen_:

2007-04–22 09:41:45.022 Expiring 20/20 "Planet Earth 2007: Seven Ways to Help Save the World" from Fri Apr 20 21:00:00 2007, 194 MBytes, forced expire (LiveTV recording)

[15:36:55]

sandeen_:

it seems to have already expired it; though why it was 0 bytes the first time, I dunno

[15:37:40]

gbee:

hmm

[15:38:06]

sandeen_:

hmm hmm :)

[15:38:20]

sandeen_:

*shrug* a clue anyway

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Kazan:

sandeen you recorded that too :P

[15:50:26]

Kazan:

i recorded it as a test of my hd tuner

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sandeen_:

well, watched some of it :)

[15:50:33]

sandeen_:

it was livetv

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Kazan:

i watched it with my wife

[15:50:44]

Kazan:

she could actually see the difference between sd and hd finally

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sandeen_:

hehe

[15:51:08]

sandeen_:

funny... the reason I'm looking at it is i'm trying to save the earth by spinning down my hard drive ... :)

[15:51:23]

** sandeen_ replaced all the bulbs w/ cf and saved a ton on his electricity bill too **

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Kazan:

lol

[15:52:38]

Kazan:

yeah

[15:52:40]

Kazan:

CFs are the shit

[15:52:46]

Kazan:

i've been too lazy to replace them

[15:52:52]

Kazan:

but when i move to the new appartment i'm def doing it

[15:53:11]

Kazan:

watching it also reminded me to shut off all the computers that shouldn't be turned on all night as well

[15:53:43]

sandeen_:

it's earth day... go do it :)

[15:53:52]

sandeen_:

home depot is giving them away :) (at least one)

[15:54:07]

sandeen_:

changing a PIII to a sempron for sandeen.net helped a lot too

[15:54:26]

sandeen_:

... and just turning off lights. hmm ok now I'm way OT, sorry :)

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Kazan:

heh

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Kazan:

you know what else saves power... watching sporting events live instead of on TV :P

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gardengnome:

"went to watch" kinda contradicts "we kicked their butts".

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gardengnome:

slacker. ;)

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Kazan:

heh

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Kazan:

i'm one of the co presidents of the independant supporters club

[15:59:27]

Kazan:

i get all kinds of perks

[15:59:30]

Kazan:

like free VIP tickets, etc

[15:59:40]

Kazan:

most of the players know me by name, and all the staff do

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Kazan:

for some reason we had a player from DC united playing for us last night... gotta find out why...

[16:00:05]

Kazan:

probably back on injury rehabilitation loan

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Kazan:

that reminds me to email one of my FO contacts to find out why he was playing for us

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BSG75:

need a little help setting up mythfrontend pls if anyone have a moment...

[16:17:32]

BSG75:

I keep getting 2007-04–22 12:14:20.406 Connection timed out.

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BSG75:

You probably should modify the Master Server

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BSG75:

settings in the setup program and set the

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BSG75:

proper IP address.

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BSG75:

this is the machine where only the frontend is running

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juski:

You probably should modify the Master Server settings in the setup program and set the proper IP address

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BSG75:

it has the right IP in the /etc/mythtv/mysql.

[16:18:12]

juski:

you're using ubuntu aren't you?

[16:18:16]

BSG75:

yeah

[16:18:23]

BSG75:

used to use gentoo

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juski:

hahahaha how did I *know* that I wonder?

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BSG75:

if I don't get this working my wife will kill me

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juski:

look in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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juski:

it'll tell you the mythtv mysql user's password in there

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juski:

problem solved

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BSG75:

LOL juski .. I had to give ubuntu a try thanks to my wife .. and now she wants her mythtv back on her desktop ... I am soo screwed atm

[16:19:19]

BSG75:

yeah it says the right things in there

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juski:

is the backend process running then?

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BSG75:

I commented out the binding in the /etc/mysql/my.cnf so it's not only just accepting connection from localhost

[16:19:52]

BSG75:

yeah

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juski:

oh wait a minute

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BSG75:

the main gentoo box is running flawlessly

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BSG75:

as frontend and backend

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juski:

you're trying to connect a remote frontend to the working backend? AHHHHHHH

[16:20:22]

BSG75:

yeah

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juski:

well, did you modify the master backend server IP address on the gentoo box?

[16:20:42]

BSG75:

I didn't break her main entertainment system .. that's why I am still alive to ask for help :)

[16:21:00]

BSG75:

yeah .. it is now using the machinename instead of localhost

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juski:

no. IP ADDRESS

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juski:

not hostname

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BSG75:

oh... it won't resolve even if it is in /etc/hosts?

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juski:

why else would it say 'IP address' ?

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BSG75:

cause I am an idiot? :)

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BSG75:

sec .. trying

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juski:

I'm sayin nuffink

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BSG75:

LOL

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BSG75:

okay changing everything to ip .. one sec

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fryfrog:

I just did a QAM channel scan on my cable... it is only finding 3 channels (out of about 70) with any actual data on them :/

[16:23:25]

fryfrog:

wtf is wrong with my cable?

[16:23:38]

fryfrog:

could they have switch to HRC or IRC?

[16:23:43]

juski:

fryfrog: maybe, just maybe you're not supposed to get em

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Kazan:

oh lovely

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Kazan:

i enabled xvmc-opengl

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Kazan:

and now xvmc is distorted to hell

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juski:

BSG75: when you change the IP settings you need to restart the backend process

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Kazan:

(playback in xvmc)... and i saw no performance gain :(

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juski:

BSG75: you may also have to change the mysql privileges to allow access from remote clients too

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BSG75:

here goes .. I haven't done the mysql part .. to give privs yet..

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BSG75:

YES success

[16:33:04]

BSG75:

if you were a beautiful woman I would kiss you juski :)

[16:33:08]

BSG75:

thanks again :)

[16:33:24]

BSG75:

time to install the media parts of myth and then I am all set :)

[16:34:37]

Kazan:

anyone know why i would be getting extremely slow playback and video distortion with xvmc opengl enabled... when xvmc works fine without (Except when the OSD is up)

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BSG75:

what video card u got?

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Kazan:

GF6200

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BSG75:

using the nVidia driver? or nv?

[16:35:50]

Kazan:

binary

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Kazan:

open source doesn't support xvmc

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Kazan:

XvMC w/o XvMC-opengl works fine.. except for severe stutter when OSD is up

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Kazan:

XvMC w/ XvMC-OpenGL is distorted, slow, unwatachable

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fryfrog:

Kazan: that is how XvMC is for me at *all* times :/

[16:37:38]

fryfrog:

i have to not-use it

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Kazan:

unfortinately i have a sempron 2500 cpu in my mythbox

[16:38:11]

Kazan:

i doubt i can watch HD w/o XvMC

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Kazan:

let's fine out

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Kazan:

find*

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BSG75:

I am using 5200 and a 6800 .. both running the nvidia driver ... my 6800 is running XvMC-opengl since the frontend is running on compiz ... I have Intel M dual core 2.66 .. I have slight hickups .. but I think it's my cpu

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Kazan:

weird... playback is blank

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Kazan:

(without xvmc)

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BSG75:

bet you if you move the window you will see picture :) .. I had that

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Kazan:

it's not a window

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Kazan:

it's frontend fullscren

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Kazan:

weeiiird

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Kazan:

i'm using xine to test

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Kazan:

!!!

[16:45:12]

Kazan:

xine xv works

[16:45:23]

Kazan:

xine xxmc (nvidia specific xvmc) works... with 20% less cpu than xv

[16:45:33]

Kazan:

and 20% less cpu than mythfrontend playback when xvmc was "working"

[16:45:43]

Kazan:

(on average 10–20% less cpu)

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bluey-:

anyone got an wintv pvr 150 ?

[16:51:20]

Kazan:

the hauppage card?

[16:51:20]

Kazan:

yes

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Kazan:

i have a Hauppage PVR-150 and PVR-500

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Kazan:

well supported card

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bluey-:

yeah i know

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bluey-:

could you make an screenshot of the picturequality for me?

[16:52:03]

Kazan:

not at themoment

[16:52:07]

Kazan:

my quality is pretty good

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bluey-:

i'm thinking right now to change from dvb-t to it

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Kazan:

why

[16:52:19]

Kazan:

dvb-t = hd capable

[16:52:24]

Kazan:

plus... you can have both in one system

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bluey-:

yeah but in germany it isn't that great

[16:52:47]

Kazan:

switch to DVB-S

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Kazan:

apparently there are 100 free unencrypted dvb-s chans :D

[16:53:23]

Kazan:

the PVR-150 will be good for local channels

[16:53:26]

Kazan:

or better the PVR-500

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bluey-:

yeah i know but i'm not that sure if its allowed here in my flat :x

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Kazan:

(PVR-500 = two 150s on one board)

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bluey-:

whats the diffrents?

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bluey-:

ok :)

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Kazan:

with a 500 you can record two shows at once :D

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bluey-:

the pvr150 is btw the only tv card supported by freebsd or?

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Kazan:

not familiar with freebsd

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Kazan:

didn't even know myth could run on freebsd

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bluey-:

yeah its ported

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Kazan:

you should be using fedora or ubuntu linux

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bluey-:

well got mythtv running on gentoo for a year

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Kazan:

gentoo *Shudder*

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bluey-:

but zfs sounds so nice :P

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Kazan:

zfs?

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bluey-:

yeah this Sun Filesystem

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** Kazan uses ext3 on an lvm **

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bluey-:

mhh dvb-s... is there something cheap to start?

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Kazan:

no idea

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Kazan:

i'm in the states

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Kazan:

so i have to tolerate atsc

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bluey-:

ok

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HeMan:

does anyone know if mythtv frontend runs on apple tv yet?

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bluey-:

well mythfrontend has been ported to osx

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bluey-:

it "could" work

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HeMan:

bluey-: I saw someone trying but getting coredumps all the time

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HeMan:

I think he said it was some mysql-problems

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HeMan:

but this was allmost a month ago

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bluey-:

well, i would wait until the first apple tv's with linux appear

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HeMan:

bluey-: yes, but even though I'm a big linux fanboy i think it could work better with osx

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HeMan:

at least initially...

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bluey-:

why...? serious if you don't want to use this frontrow stuff and instead mythfrontend, why stick on osx at all

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HeMan:

since i guess that osx has better hardware support for the apple tv

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bluey-:

maybe... but i'm sure they use standard intel stuff

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HeMan:

isn't it some ATI graphics card?

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bluey-:

nope nvidia

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bluey-:

gma3000 would be better imo

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HeMan:

same same driverwise, has to be a binary to work fine

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Kazan:

well.. it's xvmc-opengl that killed things

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bluey-:

well there are still those nv drivers but they still lack afaik xv

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HeMan:

and osx has xv and xvmc, or?

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bluey-:

lol no, they don't even use X

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bluey-:

but something similiar called corevideo

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Kazan:

i wonder why XvMC is so facking slow when the OSD is up

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bluey-:

Kazan: do you use a geforce 6200?

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bluey-:

btw i'm not sure if the current ported mythtv for osx is supporting all these core stuff

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HeMan:

oh well, in this case i could run osx or linux, as long at it works good

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scant:

i can't seem to get my power button to shutdown... can anyone help me troubleshoot? i don't even have an /etc/acpi dir

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HeMan:

scant: what distro do you run?

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scant:

HeMan: knoppmyth, i installed acpid

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scant:

HeMan: knoppmyth is debian

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HeMan:

scant: I think you need acpi-support as well

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scant:

HeMan: let me see

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scant:

HeMan: i installed acpi-support, /etc/acpi exists now

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scant:

HeMan: the powerbutton still doesn't do anything

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HeMan:

scant: try to restart acpid and acpi-support (/etc/init.d/acpi-support restart; /etc/init.d/acpid restart)

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scant:

HeMan: i had to create the /etc/acpi/event/powerbtn and /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh files manually, but it works after restarting, and acpid needed to be stopped and started, acpid restart didn't work for some reason

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scant:

but it works now... thanks a lot man...

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gbee:

odd, symbol related crash in mythmusic

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rseeber:

hello

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gbee:

hi

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rseeber:

i'm having some problems with my mythtv and i believe it's related to the database. is there something i'm supposed to do to create the db on a new install/'

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rseeber:

?

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tank-man:

yes

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rseeber:

what's that

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tank-man:

something like "mysqql < mc.txt"

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tank-man:

it is in the howto

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rseeber:

do you know where that file would be in ubuntu?

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** gardengnome sobs **

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tank-man:

no

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anykey_:

rseeber: read the manual, it will tell you all that you need to know

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gardengnome:

rseeber: read the ubuntu guide at http://wiki.ubuntu.com

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rseeber:

thanks

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HeMan:

rseeber: if i remember correctly the ubuntu packages creates the database for you

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gardengnome:

unless you fuck it up because you haven't read the ubuntu specific guide

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juski:

the mythtv-database metapackage is what you need :)

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juski:

see gardengnome .. no matter how foolproof... ;)

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gardengnome:

yeah

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gardengnome:

redirecting people to the mysql docs would be a better way to deal with the problem..

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tank-man:

would be better to redirect them to the ubuntu package maintainer

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rseeber:

i think i just skipped the step: dpkg-reconfigure

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juski:

one day, when hell has already frozen over, you'll be able to download a tarball & run setup.exe & it'll just do everything.. no RTFM.. no effort :-P

[17:52:20]

anykey_:

juski: but how do I extract a tarball? :p

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rseeber:

hmmm, now it seems worse actually

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tank-man:

juski, slackware packages are like that. a tarball and a bash script run at the end

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tank-man:

i think many distro packages are like that

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tank-man:

the package maintainer just has to make the package right

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juski:

rseeber: so er.. define 'seems worse'

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rseeber:

Database error was:

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rseeber:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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rseeber:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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juski:

look in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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juski:

the password you need is in that file

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juski:

then make sure ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt has the same details

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juski:

we'd all hoped here that those problems had been fixed already. seems they haven't :-|

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woland_:

has anyone seen "cat: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf: No such file or directory" when trying to run configure for the svn version?

[18:02:33]

rseeber:

/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt is there and has the right info – i think and the other files doesn't exist

[18:02:51]

juski:

rseeber: you have to run mythtv-setup as the mythtv user

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juski:

the ubuntu docs mention that. the way the package installer works, it puts files in /home/mythtv

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rseeber:

hmm, what if i don't know the password to mythtv

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juski:

before you try to log in as mythtv, try 'sudo passwd mythtv' to change the mythtv user's password

[18:05:35]

juski:

then you'll know what it is :)

[18:05:54]

rseeber:

thanks

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juski:

I've gone back to my stance of not recommending anybody use ubuntu for mythtv in future I reckon

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juski:

until they stop the suckage with the packages

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juski:

trying to do _everything_ for the user is admirable, but too much can (and invariably DOES) go wrong

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juski:

has anybody been keeping a count of how many ubunut users we've rescued here?

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juski:

I'm not exactly a newbie when it comes to mythtv, but by God ubuntu's myth packages gave me some hassle

[18:12:06]

juski:

once you find out what's going on it's quite easy to put it right.. but the problem is getting to that stage

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tatters:

I found installing myth on feisty a breeze compared to last time I tried

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juski:

so, folks might suggest that if I care that much why don't I package mythtv for ubuntu.. thing is, I care about mythtv – couldn't give a flying fuck about ubuntu

[18:13:37]

Javacat:

Does MythTV support DVB-T data services as standard, or does it need additional configuration?

[18:13:46]

juski:

tatters: oh yeah of course! I've seen screenshots of the feisty mythtv installer. looks like they've put a lot of stuff right :)

[18:13:59]

juski:

Javacat: dvb-t data services? such as.. .?

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juski:

Javacat: if you mean MHEG teletext & 'interactive' stuff then yes, it does.. in the UK

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gbee:

it supports Mheg and EIT, that just about covers all the 'data' broadcast in the UK

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Javacat:

Some channels appear to be transmitted as data services (or something like that), like CBBC

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juski:

Javacat: go into mythfrontend – utils/setup > setup > tv > tv playback & there's a page in there to 'enable interactive TV'. enable it & hey presto you'll have the 'red button' which is bound to F2

[18:16:44]

gbee:

CBBC is off air a lot of the time, during which it shows an Mheg image?

[18:16:46]

Javacat:

I've not got the box running MythTV on me, but using ProgDVB (in windows) here I have a problem playing some of them

[18:16:50]

juski:

next free time I get I'll put it on tha wiki

[18:17:01]

juski:

Javacat: they work in mythtv

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Javacat:

ok, thanks juski

[18:17:27]

juski:

the java games *SUCK* though

[18:18:06]

juski:

hell, even the BBCi multiscreen thingy works :)

[18:18:07]

Javacat:

I've not really looked into mythtv too much, but from what I've read on it's wiki it seems to support digital TV soo much better than the stuff available for windows

[18:18:11]

Javacat:

Cool :D

[18:18:20]

juski:

got some screenshots somewhere

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tatters:

I only have a bog standard 28 inch TV as monitor, I use nvidea TV out S-video to connct to tv

[18:19:01]

Javacat:

Is it possible to get subscription channels working aswell?

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Javacat:

like the discovery channel

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juski:

Javacat: with a DVB-T tuner with a CI slot, a CAM & a TopUPTV card, yes

[18:20:23]

juski:

mythtv doesn't allow you to get pay tv for free

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juski:

nor does it allow you to share access cards with other machines

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Javacat:

ok

[18:20:59]

juski:

mythtv is 100% free, 100% legit :)

[18:21:22]

Javacat:

Can it decode more than one channel at once that's scrambled?

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Javacat:

If I had multiple DVB-T cards

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Javacat:

*tuners

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juski:

nope

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juski:

one dvb-t tuner, one CI module, one viewing card

[18:23:07]

juski:

so if you want to record more than one pay-tv channel right now you'll need extra tuners, CAMs & viewing cards

[18:23:32]

juski:

but, work is ongoing to allow you to record more than one channel on the same multiplex with one tuner card

[18:24:13]

juski:

whether or not a DVB-T card will let you descramble more than one channel at the same time is not yet known

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Javacat:

ok

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juski:

oh, and good luck finding a dvb-t tuner card with a CI slot. Though I believe dvbshop carry them

[18:25:04]

juski:

fyi, screenshots of mythtv's mheg in action are here: www.juski.co.uk/mheg/ :)

[18:25:22]

Javacat:

One last thing, would it be possible to have a server with all of the tuners in and to then stream live TV to clients?

[18:25:45]

Javacat:

I've been using MythTV in PlutoHome and it isn't clear about that

[18:26:15]

Javacat:

Nice screenshots

[18:26:15]

Flosoft:

hey

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gbee:

Javacat: yes, that's more or less the central feature of mythtv

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tatters:

Would using a Digital TV card card give me a better picture quality than my analogue card, I have a freeview box connected to it, I use TV out S-video

[18:26:27]

Flosoft:

I have a MSI TV@nywhere Master card

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Javacat:

ok gbee, thanks

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Flosoft:

what do I need to setup on Ubuntu Feisty for MythTV to recognise it?

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Javacat:

juski: Thanks for your help aswell

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gbee:

tatters: depends if your current quality problems are down to bad reception or mis-configured modelines in your X11 config

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gbee:

I find digital quality to be much higher than analogue generally, but it won't help if your problem lies elsewhere

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gbee:

of course there are other advantages to digital, such as more channels and pretty soon the ability to record multiple programmes simultaneously with a single tuner

[18:30:12]

tatters:

The quality is fine with the digital box going through the analogue card just wondered if getting a digital card would be any major improvement

[18:30:52]

gbee:

ah right, tatters – yes there is likely to be an improvement but it's hard to quantify

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gbee:

it might not be very noticable or it could be worlds better

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gbee:

at the very least it should be equal to the quality you get when the digital box is connected direct to the TV

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tatters:

anyone want to buy 1 terratec tv ,1 avermedia and 1 hauppage usb all analogue, will swap for a good digital card

[18:35:26]

tatters:

:P

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Hoxzer:

;)

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tatters:

The amount of PC stuff I brought that needs replacing makes me shudder , I hate throwing stuff away and yet it still does what was spoosed to do the day I brought it

[18:36:54]

Hoxzer:

:( I bought analogue card for my mythbox but I have never used it

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Hoxzer:

:) and removed it to make room for new digital card

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tatters:

yup thats my plan now I finally got myth working, (apart from the weather)

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tatters:

With IPTV posibably becoming the standard is mythtv going to incorperate this is in some way

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juski:

already does, but standards for iptv don't exist

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tatters:

As in standard way to watch TV

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juski:

as in standard ways to transmit IPTV

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juski:

and I hope to hell that IPTV burns & fails. I hate the very idea of it

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tatters:

I find that strange considering

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gbee:

I don't get the point or appeal of IPTV

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gbee:

there must be something to it that I don't know

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juski:

considering what? considering how unreliable internet connections are in the UK? considering how broadcasters like to keep everything closed? considering how it can be so tightly wrapped up into their own hardware you'll never stand a chance of using anything but their box?

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juski:

it's like television, but over the inter-tubes! ZOMG! I've just come

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** cesman thinks juski has hit the nail on the head...several times **

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juski:

now in an ideal world, where you could just point a player at www.buffynakedunleashed.com & play everything for freebies... now yeah.. I'd be all over that. but it ain't gonna be freebies

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juski:

sadly we live in a world where money men control what is broadcast, how & where it's shown, and under what constraints it's shown. IPTV will allow them to close all the niggly little loopholes forever. That's not a good thing

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simcop2387:

whats the simplest way for running mythcommflag under nice/ionice when it gets started automatically?

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juski:

simcop2387: you specify the cpu load it takes in mythtv-setup – within the general section

[18:52:26]

simcop2387:

juski: so no way to start it under ionice either? (sometimes it'll end up starving my system of io since my cpu can do it significantly faster than realtime)

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juski:

simcop2387: you can specify the exact command it uses in mythtv-setup also, IIRC

[18:52:57]

tatters:

Your argument could be made about DRM but look like the user is winning

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juski:

tatters: when the fat lady is singing, I'll whoop for joy. not until then

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simcop2387:

can you? don't remember that, i'll look at it, thanks juski, if its not there i'll just wrap it in a shell script probably

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juski:

anyhow, wouldn't IPTV just be a convenient way for broadcasters to sidestep FCC legislation? Or do they have their claws in that now?

[18:56:11]

simcop2387:

i'd like iptv only if it didn't have drm with it

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Kazan:

hey juskio

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Kazan:

erg juski*

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simcop2387:

the idea is nice, but its not good with such things

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tatters:

The politics do not interest me, the Technology does and once it is ironed out I for am gunna embrace it

[18:56:50]

Kazan:

do you have any idea A) why the OSD is so fracking slow on 1080i content w/ XvMC and only 50% cpu utilization and B) why compiling with xvmc-opengl corrupts my image?

[18:57:01]

tatters:

now who gunna offer me a joost invite?

[18:57:05]

Kazan:

unfortunately modern technology cannot be seperated from politics

[18:58:42]

simcop2387:

there that should do it :)

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simcop2387:

ionice++

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Kazan:

there has to be something i can do about playback stuttering when the OSD is up

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mcquaid:

I went through this months ago and can't recall how I fixed it.

[19:14:05]

mcquaid:

The power went out last night and now the guide just says unknown for everything

[19:14:15]

mcquaid:

i reran mythfilldatabase but same thing

[19:14:24]

mcquaid:

i did something else last time but can't recall

[19:14:37]

mcquaid:

any suggestions?

[19:14:48]

fryfrog:

mythfilldatabase?

[19:15:03]

mcquaid:

yes i already reran that

[19:15:16]

fryfrog:

sorry, dunno then

[19:15:20]

Kazan:

mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

[19:15:25]

fryfrog:

power outage shouldn't cause anything like that

[19:15:36]

mcquaid:

it's happened to me before

[19:15:49]

mcquaid:

and ya i guess it shouldn't but it has and more than once now

[19:15:52]

fryfrog:

write it down when you figure it out this time :)

[19:15:56]

mcquaid:

yes

[19:16:01]

mcquaid:

definitely

[19:16:08]

fryfrog:

actually, prolly time to figure out *why* to does it and fix/document *that :)

[19:16:09]

mcquaid:

i'll try -refresh-all

[19:16:36]

fryfrog:

i need to just get an outdoor antenna

[19:17:08]

Kazan:

what storage engine are you using in mysql

[19:17:14]

Kazan:

and are your tuners initializing

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mcquaid:

not sure what you mean by storage engine

[19:23:35]

Kazan:

grrr

[19:23:36]

mcquaid:

but the tuner is 'initializing' i watched live tv fine

[19:25:56]

mcquaid:

and just finished --refresh-all but same thing

[19:26:06]

mcquaid:

damn i wish i could recall how i fixed this before

[19:26:12]

Kazan:

wtb: consistent initialization order of video boards

[19:26:25]

mcquaid:

only have one tuner

[19:27:06]

** Kazan snorts **

[19:27:21]

Kazan:

normally they init in that order

[19:27:49]

Kazan:

a long time ago i tried setting up udevrules for my hauppage cards (Before i had the kworld card)

[19:27:57]

Kazan:

(to make symlinks)

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Kazan:

using the symlinks caused crashing for some reason

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gbee:

think I underestimated G.A.N.T.

[19:40:51]

gbee:

it's mythmusic screen is the most beautiful of any theme I've tried

[19:41:08]

fryfrog:

I think my pair of QAM pci cards are now useless :/

[19:41:24]

fryfrog:

they aren't picking up a god-damn thing, except like... a weather channel and a religious channel

[19:41:29]

scant:

anyone use a usb qam hdtv tuner?

[19:41:32]

fryfrog:

imma have to get an antenna to use em :/

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Tanthrix:

fryfrog: Lame. Did your cable provider just start encrypting everything?

[19:41:48]

Kazan:

you didn't already have an antenna? :P

[19:41:49]

Kazan:

dork

[19:41:54]

Kazan:

or were they connected to cable?

[19:42:14]

Tanthrix:

Kazan: You don't seem to be familiar with what QAM means do you...

[19:42:18]

fryfrog:

Tanthrix: thats the only thing i can think of :/

[19:42:28]

fryfrog:

Kazan: right, hooked to my cable :)

[19:42:43]

Tanthrix:

Friggin cable companies

[19:42:44]

fryfrog:

something kind of funny...

[19:43:01]

fryfrog:

aparantly, the cable company unhooked one of my parents tv's cause the run was putting interference into the system

[19:43:17]

fryfrog:

well, that system actually gets a few OTA channels stilL!

[19:43:30]

fryfrog:

i think the long cable run (that is unhooked) is ... maybe acting as an antenna :)

[19:43:36]

fryfrog:

it gets one channel so clear i thought it was cable

[19:43:43]

fryfrog:

but... everything else is fuzzy like a bad ant

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juski:

gbee: really? I might have to look at that & pinch some ideas

[19:46:10]

gbee:

juski: yeah, not that I've really tried many themes in the past, but I definately dismissed G.A.N.T. a little too quickly

[19:47:09]

juski:

yeah I can see where you're coming from on that

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squish103:

any1 seen a kdvb-fe-0 taking 30 to 40% of the cpu when all is idle?

[19:48:48]

juski:

nice & simple, mythmusic in gant... very.. elegant ;)

[19:49:11]

squish103:

i think i better hook up a monitor to my backend to see what is going on

[19:49:17]

juski:

time to go watch xmen2 or summink

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gbee:

hmm, loading the plugin setup screens under G.A.N.T. or blue, whilst slow, is 5x faster than under blootube wide

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Kazan:

Tanthrix: lol.. QAM righto :P speaking before thinking :D

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AtSqUiGgs:

hey all.

[20:00:11]

cesman:

hello

[20:00:38]

AtSqUiGgs:

I bought a serial ir blaster, can I use that with my pvr150 remote? I thought I would just have to load the lirc-serial driver, is that wrong?

[20:02:45]

squish103:

where is the best place to search for mythtv problems? i lost all my links, and i remember that google was not indexing some sites

[20:03:48]

AtSqUiGgs:

i bought one of these, does anyone know if it will work with my pvr150 remote? http://www.irblaster.info/?gclid=COypptmQ14sCFSgRGgodOQInbA

[20:03:58]

AtSqUiGgs:

squish103 – what is your problem?

[20:05:02]

squish103:

very strange, i have high cpu usage when everything is idle on kdvb-fe-0 (my dvb driver)

[20:05:21]

squish103:

google is no help, so i have to dig deaper

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AtSqUiGgs:

when you run top, what is taking your cpu?

[20:06:42]

Zider:

is it possible to remove the channel watermark/logo from stuff recorded off TV?

[20:06:47]

spinull:

is there a way to make mythtv fullscreen

[20:06:48]

woland_:

how can i work out whats causing random slowdowns and video stuttering with my tv video? the audio is often 5 secs ahead than the video

[20:06:53]

spinull:

i can still see my gnome panels

[20:06:57]

AtSqUiGgs:

Zider – I doubt it, not good anyway

[20:07:15]

Zider:

AtSqUiGgs: well, enough so that it isn't as bloody annoying ;)

[20:07:26]

AtSqUiGgs:

zider – good luck! I hat that too!

[20:07:28]

squish103:

AtSqUiGgs between 30–40% but it is niced to -5

[20:07:48]

AtSqUiGgs:

squish103 – what process? mythtvbackend?

[20:08:14]

squish103:

AtSqUiGgs no it is kdvb-fe-0

[20:08:40]

woland_:

the machine doesn't seem low on cpu and it's not swapping

[20:08:40]

squish103:

and i have no idea why it continually runs in top

[20:09:17]

AtSqUiGgs:

hmm, that does seem odd

[20:09:30]

spinull:

i need help

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spinull:

when running mythbackend it says card2 failed init

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fuchur:

hi, I just set up myth-tv with my hauppauge hvr 950, which seems to work, except I cannot change the channels

[20:15:16]

fuchur:

it always stays at the channel i selected as starting channel

[20:15:19]

fuchur:

any ideas

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** Kazan grumbles **

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telenieko:

Hi. I have an asus P7131 dual card (analog + dvb-t) how can I make mythtv aware of this so it doesn't try to use one of the inputs when the other is in use?

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Kazan:

telenieko: if it's trying to use the card twice at once you have it defined as two cards i bet

[21:03:25]

telenieko:

Oh, I hoped there would be some nice checkbox to indicate that :)

[21:04:57]

Kazan:

no, you have to setup the card properly

[21:04:59]

Kazan:

define the card, only once

[21:05:04]

Kazan:

tell it what type of card it is

[21:05:17]

Kazan:

and you should see multiple outputs listed in the input->source linkage screen

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Kazan:

thought.. my ATSC 110 (DVB card) doesn't show it's analog part.. but that's FINE with me

[21:05:59]

Kazan:

it's one card though, so you set it up as one card

[21:06:08]

telenieko:

Wel.. here in spain you don't get the same channels on DVB and analog :)

[21:06:15]

Kazan:

you don't in the states either

[21:06:44]

Kazan:

there is a very good reason to not use the analog part of any digital receiver card

[21:06:44]

telenieko:

then I need the analog input for at least one channel, all the other are on DVB (except if there are clouds outside...)

[21:06:49]

Kazan:

they're not hardware encoders

[21:06:59]

Kazan:

get a PVR-150 and go duel card

[21:07:16]

Kazan:

it'll be worth the money (~$70 US)

[21:07:27]

Kazan:

saves your CPU From having to do the encoding

[21:07:33]

Kazan:

and when you're watching HD... that's very important

[21:07:43]

telenieko:

oh, I have another only-analog card so I can live without the analog part of the asus, I think I'll go this way. But I'll look about the PVR-150 anyway :)

[21:07:50]

anykey_:

Kazan: 70 US? here in Switzerland it's about 55$ ;-)

[21:07:55]

telenieko:

HD? I doubt spanish TV's know what's this :)

[21:07:58]

Kazan:

anykey_: been a while since i looked

[21:08:09]

Kazan:

you're using DVB-T for analog....... why

[21:08:31]

Kazan:

the PVR-500 is a single-card that is two 150s in one

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** Kazan grumbles about ATSC freq 56 being below threshold :( **

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woland_:

is there a way of stopping electrical interference messing with my signal?

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Kazan:

woland_: depends on the source of the interference

[21:14:02]

Kazan:

if it's local (ie in your house) i can be as simple and rearranging the inevitable mess of cables behind a tv

[21:14:02]

woland_:

the PC itself unfortunately

[21:14:09]

Kazan:

get a decent ground line

[21:14:25]

Kazan:

get a power strip that "cleans" the power coming into it

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woland_:

whenever i plug something in the reception goes bad

[21:14:45]

woland_:

even when i turn the lights off/on

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Tanthrix:

woland_: What kind of antenna are you using, and where it it located?

[21:15:56]

woland_:

it's a flat thing the size of an LP with a little plug in amplifier directly attached

[21:16:16]

Tanthrix:

Near any power cables?

[21:17:05]

woland_:

yeah i have a sun us5, a soekris, a athlon xp, and the tv modem switch all on the same extension

[21:17:37]

Kazan:

that's a big problem

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Kazan:

you're overloading the circuit, have what sounds like a low quality antenna

[21:17:53]

Kazan:

and you have an unclean powersupply

[21:18:21]

woland_:

should i try and and move the machines a few meters away and just get a longer vga/phone cable?

[21:18:42]

Tanthrix:

woland_: Have you tried unplugging your signal amplifier, connecting the antenna directly, and seeing if you still notice the signal change?

[21:19:05]

woland_:

tank-man, without the amplifier i barely get a signal at all

[21:19:35]

Tanthrix:

woland_: I wonder if it's a bad amp that is passing along some power issues. Been a long time since I've used an antenna for anything, but it seems to me turning a light on shouldn't cause enough interferance to kill your signal

[21:19:44]

Kazan:

low quality/bad amps will pass on 60hz noise

[21:20:06]

Kazan:

which will show up on TV channels 2–4

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Kazan:

as a harmonic

[21:20:15]

Kazan:

in my expirience

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Tanthrix:

woland_: You might, as a test, try plugging the cable amp into a different circuit entirely, via an extension cable

[21:20:33]

Tanthrix:

Not a different outlet, but a completely different circuit

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woland_:

even before i installed the machines i was getting shocks when unplugging the kettle

[21:21:53]

Dagmar:

major ground fault

[21:22:29]

woland_:

i just tried turning the lights on/off with the amp dettached and it still kills the signal

[21:22:35]

Tanthrix:

woland_: You should purchase an outlet tester, sounds like you have some electrical issues to get worked out

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Tanthrix:

woland_: Weird, so it must just be interferannce being emited by the wires and such then.

[21:23:01]

Tanthrix:

Or something.

[21:23:34]

woland_:

i wonder how i'm gonna convince the landlord to get it sorted :o

[21:23:42]

taxman:

is it possible to take an old samsung directv tivo and install mythtv on the hard drive and it function?

[21:24:10]

Tanthrix:

Well, buy the outlet tester, show him that the outlets are not properly grounded, then threaten to sue his ass over safety concerns if he doesn't eventually get the problem fixed

[21:24:38]

Tanthrix:

woland_: Something like this: http://www.nemmar.com/images/i02/home-inspect . . . 9-580232.jpg (Will vary depending on where you live in the world)

[21:26:13]

Kazan:

oh yeah that's a major ground fault

[21:26:30]

Kazan:

tell them that it's a thread to the house

[21:27:22]

woland_:

thanks guys, i'll get on to the landlord and try and move the machines further from the antenna

[21:28:58]

woland_:

it already killed a cisco switch

[21:29:08]

woland_:

i thought the house had just blew a fuse

[21:29:12]

Kazan:

nope

[21:29:16]

woland_:

but the switch was never the same

[21:29:19]

Kazan:

you get that tester and you get the readings

[21:29:23]

Kazan:

prove to him that it's the house

[21:29:36]

Kazan:

and you legally should be able to demand a replacement out of him

[21:29:47]

woland_:

is it a major job to fix?

[21:29:49]

Kazan:

because it's his faulty maintenance of the house that caused the destruction of your equipment

[21:29:54]

Kazan:

yeah

[21:30:00]

Kazan:

full licensed electricians

[21:30:08]

Tanthrix:

Not necessarely. Depends on where the problem is.

[21:30:15]

Kazan:

may be anything from replacing the fusebox all the way to rewiring the entire damn place

[21:30:23]

woland_:

doh

[21:30:47]

fryfrog:

or fixing one bit of wiring :/

[21:31:08]

Kazan:

yeah.. could be anything

[21:31:09]

Dibblah:

Don't be silly.

[21:31:19]

Dibblah:

It's most likely a ground loop.

[21:31:32]

Kazan:

which i still would call in a licensed electrician to fix

[21:31:39]

Dibblah:

Which are quite easy to fix and perfectly expected with normal wiring.

[21:31:45]

Dibblah:

You're kidding, right?

[21:32:25]

Tanthrix:

Dibblah: He's a tenant. You don't mess with wiring in a house/apartment that isn't yours for legal reasons, despite how much of a 1337 electrician you think you are.

[21:32:33]

Dibblah:

A ground loop is generally caused by everything _being_ properly (from a safety perspective) grounded.

[21:33:00]

Tanthrix:

Dibblah: And ground loops don't cause shit to die left and right, or shocks when touching grounded metal things.

[21:33:18]

Dibblah:

The problem is when you also complete a loop _external_ to the mains wiring.

[21:33:26]

Dibblah:

Yes, they do.

[21:33:33]

Kazan:

Tanthrix: you don't mess with the MAINS VOLTAGE electricity anywhere, no matter how 1337 of an electrician you think you are... unless you really are a licensed electrician :P

[21:33:49]

fryfrog:

well, thats going a bit far

[21:33:49]

Dibblah:

Ground loops can generate 20–30v of potential.

[21:33:53]

Tanthrix:

Kazan: Nah, stuff in your own house is fine. A lot of it is simple really.

[21:34:02]

fryfrog:

you can always use the one handed rule and get away with almost anything :)

[21:34:18]

Kazan:

Tanthrix: i'm talking about being basic do-it-yourself with-a-kit things

[21:34:21]

Tanthrix:

Dibblah: Yah, I know. I measured 19 once between my keyboard (musical) and my computer.

[21:34:23]

Kazan:

s/being/beyond

[21:34:32]

Tanthrix:

Ground loops are the devil.

[21:34:38]

woland_:

it looks like the light switches affect the reception more than switching plugs on and off

[21:34:44]

Dibblah:

What happens is people tend to assume that "ground" is the same throughout a house.

[21:34:51]

Kazan:

replace all those incandescents :D

[21:35:27]

Kazan:

idiot released the magic smoke from a few ethernet cards :D

[21:35:27]

jvs:

nite

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Kazan:

sokminer: ala lightning rod :P

[21:35:49]

Tanthrix:

Dibblah: What easy fix do you know of for ground loops?

[21:36:03]

Dibblah:

Think in stars.

[21:36:07]

fryfrog:

uh oh, i run two ethernet cords out a window and down two floors :/

[21:36:18]

fryfrog:

er, one floor

[21:36:19]

sokminer:

Kazan: well sure it can do double duty if the wire is the proper gauge :-)

[21:36:20]

Dibblah:

Ground all of your equipment at ONE point.

[21:36:27]

fryfrog:

2nd floor to 1st

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Tanthrix:

Dibblah: I've tried that, doesn't get rid of it completely.

[21:36:52]

Dibblah:

ie plug everything you're connecting together into one extension cord.

[21:37:07]

woland_:

should i describe it to the landlord as a groundloop?

[21:37:12]

Dibblah:

Everything – Including signal amps in the attic, etc.

[21:37:26]

Dibblah:

It's unlikely he'll understand or care.

[21:37:38]

Dibblah:

Ground loops are the problem of the consumer, not the supplier.

[21:37:39]

Tanthrix:

woland_: No. You sound like you have a ground fault, but you should go buy a tester to confirm it before bringing it up with him.

[21:38:06]

Kazan:

apparently walmart is throwing it's weight behind HD-DVD.. they just placed a $300 million order for HD-DVD players from china.... at approx $150/player

[21:38:08]

woland_:

i'll just say my cat keeps getting shocks when she goes near the sockets

[21:38:18]

Kazan:

so expected retail around $200 ... compared to bluray still being over $1k/player

[21:38:27]

Tanthrix:

Dibblah: He's using a grounded computer and a non-grounded TV, and non-grounded antenna, so I don't think he's got a ground loop problem.

[21:38:40]

Kazan:

Tanthrix wins

[21:38:43]

Dibblah:

Non-grounded external antenna?

[21:38:51]

Tanthrix:

AYe, a little one on the back.

[21:39:06]

Dibblah:

That wouldn't meet building regs in the UK.

[21:40:03]

Dibblah:

Unless you like standing on the top of a mountain in a thunderstorm wearing a copper helmet shouting 'all gods are bastards', of course.

[21:40:23]

woland_:

sorry the antenna is inside the house

[21:40:34]

Tanthrix:

Dibblah: He's got a little antenna inside the house. IE, on the back.

[21:40:42]

Dibblah:

Ah. That makes a little more sense :)

[21:40:42]

woland_:

about a meter from the tv

[21:40:51]

Tanthrix:

Ground loops are the devil.

[21:41:04]

Tanthrix:

I had a hell of a time with the ground loop caused by my coax cable.

[21:41:06]

Dibblah:

Ground loops are easy. ;)

[21:41:12]

woland_:

i can wipe out all reception by bringing up my wireless interfaces

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Tanthrix:

Eventually I had to unground my computer, stick it on a GFCI plug, and then ground the computer to the coax splitter to get rid of the problem

[21:42:35]

Tanthrix:

Which, according to my EE friend, will be safe, as long as it's on a GFCI plug.

[21:42:58]

Tanthrix:

(And I grounded the coax to the main ground of the house instead of the pipe they grounded it to when it was installed, to further reduce the difference)

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Dibblah:

How's that a star, exactly? ;)

[21:43:32]

Tanthrix:

Unfortunately my signal is too low for a simple coax isolation transformer to work, though I suspect even if it did work for analog cable it might make my cable modem stop working

[21:47:36]

woland_:

any light switch in the entire house will mess up the signal

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Dibblah:

Of course, the worst cause (which is pretty untreatable without lots of diagnostics) is a broken ring.

[21:48:25]

Dibblah:

No, you just have to use cables that route earth, neutral and live together.

[21:48:25]

Tanthrix:

woland_: And you use incandescents, not CFLs right?

[21:48:50]

Tanthrix:

Oh, so you just have to be on the same circut then, if I understand you correctly

[21:48:58]

Tanthrix:

Then star grounding will fix all ground loop problems?

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Dibblah:

woland_: Really stupid thought occurs. Is there a possibility that the socket you're running the computer / amp / whatever off is actually on the lighting circuit?

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woland_:

I have no idea

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Dibblah:

Not "all". Most are caused by things like shielded signal wires.

[21:50:20]

Dibblah:

Flip off your lighting breaker and see?

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woland_:

good idea, i'll get the all clear from the wife and give it a go :)

[21:51:08]

Dibblah:

The proper way to do a signal wire is to cut the shield at the 'load' end.

[21:51:27]

Dibblah:

ie audio amp, monitor, etc.

[21:52:01]

Dibblah:

NOT cutting the protective ground, since that's asking to die in a not very entertaining manner.

[21:52:45]

Dibblah:

(GFCIs are well and good, but it's still a mechanical relay. And made by the cheapest manufacturer, usually)

[21:52:50]

Tanthrix:

Dibblah: Well, what would you do for this situation: One coax cable, grounded at the street, and then again at the house. Two computers, on different circuits, in different rooms, that connect via TV-out to televisions connected to the coax

[21:53:09]

Dibblah:

Yeah, the coax makes it very hard.

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Tanthrix:

Both with ground loop issues (60hz hum audio, banding on video) unless the coax is unplugged

[21:53:26]

Tanthrix:

Isolation transformer is out of the question for the coax, for previously stated rasons

[21:53:28]

Tanthrix:

reasons*

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Dibblah:

A properly specced isolation transformer would work (both up and downstream).

[21:54:36]

Tanthrix:

I'm about 300 feet from the pole, so I've got no lee way for any kind of signal droppage, so even the best isolation transformer might not work.

[21:54:46]

Dibblah:

Ah :(

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Tanthrix:

Since they are not 100 percent efficient

[21:55:14]

Tanthrix:

So, right now, I have both computers grounded to the coax splitters, and the coax grounded to the house ground at the entry point

[21:55:42]

Tanthrix:

A not great solution, but one that works none the less

[21:56:13]

Dibblah:

Well, if it's working and noone dies, fine :)

[21:56:16]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[21:57:45]

Tanthrix:

I must admit I still don't see why having a ground is so direly important as long as your equipment is in good repair and not liable to short any time soon.

[21:58:19]

Tanthrix:

(For everything I mean – it's obviously a good idea, but it's made out like anything that isn't grounded properly will kill you, your children, and the dog)

[21:58:33]

Dagmar:

This is beacuse you've never had an electronics course

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Tanthrix:

I've had a few actually.

[21:59:26]

Tanthrix:

Perhaps not from very good teachers, I'll grant you.

[21:59:52]

Dagmar:

Probably not if they never made it obvious why if a ground is there, it's usually needec

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Dibblah:

Grab a copy of your wiring regulations and have a read.

[22:00:30]

juski:

hey far be it from me to stop you disconnecting all your earth wires...

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woland_:

i must say reception is a lot better since killing both machines

[22:00:54]

juski:

woland_: you got plastic cases going on there or something?

[22:00:58]

Tanthrix:

juski: I set always, not in general. (In reference to my particular situation)

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woland_:

juski, rather flimsy case

[22:02:46]

juski:

multiple protected earths

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woland_:

i live in belfast city center, even the parks are concrete :)

[22:03:06]

juski:

if you're smart about it, you can do away with nasties like earth loops

[22:03:23]

Dibblah:

Ground is actually tied to "neutral" at the house junction, these days here.

[22:03:33]

juski:

is it?

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Dibblah:

Yup.

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juski:

when did that come in?

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Dibblah:

Eh? It's standard since at least the 92 edition.

[22:04:19]

juski:

it'd make sense, since 'N' is tied to ground at the power station, the substation...

[22:05:05]

juski:

Dibblah: not in any building I've ever lived in. this house was (allegedly) rewired by a pro in 1997 – before I moved in & N isn't tied to earth here

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juski:

mind you I've uncovered some particular nasties while we've been renovating.

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xzcvczx:

whats the lifespan of coax cable?

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Dibblah:

juski: TN-S is how it's described.

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juski:

xzcvczx: depends if it gets wet or not

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juski:

keep moisture out & it should last as long as the outer sheath

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sokminer:

xzcvczx: forever if the coax is indoors

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juski:

.. and it never gets flexed ;)

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xzcvczx:

juski: well its all internal inwall stuff so i doubt its been flexed or got wet yet i dont seem to get really any difference in having the cable to the tv plugged into the socket through an amplifier or not plugged in and i can see one of the transmitter towers outside my 2nd floor window with the antenna on the roof wouldnt you think i would get pretty good reception?

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juski:

xzcvczx: well, that depends on the state the aerial is in, and how the coax is hooked up to it

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juski:

Dibblah: found an IEEE doc about earthy things :)

[22:13:03]

xzcvczx:

and i get better reception off a tower at least 30 kms away than i get off the one probably less than a km away

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juski:

seems our mains earth is connected to the sheath of the supplier's cable, then split off to the cold water pipe & the consumer unit

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Dibblah:

Hmmm... Yes.

[22:15:52]

Dibblah:

I'm _sure_ I've seen bonding @ the supplier side of the cable before.

[22:18:04]

juski:

Dibblah: yeah, that's the case in some instances. which method is used depends on local conditions. e.g. if the electricity comes in on overhead lines, you use a ground spike/plate/whatever – if you've got a local HV transformer you have N & E bonded together at the LV side

[22:18:25]

juski:

it's bloody complicated as it turns out :)

[22:19:17]

Kazan:

anyone know what the five letters that are part of ATSC signal locking mean?

[22:19:31]

juski:

anyway, it'd not be a bad idea to bang the braid of a cable company's wire to a proper earthy point

[22:19:53]

juski:

Kazan: Always Twice (the) Same Colour ? ;)

[22:20:19]

Kazan:

smartass

[22:20:24]

Kazan:

i'm talking about the five letters the OSD shows

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Dibblah:

LMSc.

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juski:

I've seen NTSC.. it sucks

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Dibblah:

I think.

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Kazan:

ATSC

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juski:

the wiki will know

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Kazan:

not NSTC

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Kazan:

ATSC.. and the wiki doesn't know

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Kazan:

LAMGV are the letters

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Tanthrix:

Dibblah: So, after reading up a bit, I still don't see where the extreme danger comes from, assuming neutral/hot wires haven't been switched. If hot shorts to the case, and the case is properly connected to the neutral, and the neutral is proplerly grounded, where's the danger?

[22:21:10]

juski:

lock is one of the letters in yer acronym

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Tanthrix:

(I realize this relies on electricians properly wiring things, which is a rare phenomenon)

[22:21:25]

Dibblah:

Neutral should _never_ be connected to the case.

[22:21:46]

Kazan:

it shows "(LAMGV) Lock"

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juski:

Tanthrix: if the Earth ever becomes disconnected, you could be in big trouble IF the live wire ever shorts to the case

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Dibblah:

Because to the mains, you just look like a straight resistive load.

[22:22:22]

Tanthrix:

Dibblah: Because of the possibility that someone messed up neutral / hot, right? (Or if the plug is not polarized and is plugged in improperly)

[22:22:29]

juski:

if it's a bit of double-insulated gear, the worst that can happen is (in the case of having too low a value of fuse) the cord will catch fire (!)

[22:22:31]

Dibblah:

A small one, too, so you won't take out a fuse)

[22:22:51]

Kazan:

aah... A+M mean mpeg

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juski:

did the wiki know after all then? ;)

[22:23:45]

Dibblah:

c = encrypted, C = decrypted, just to complete it.

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Tanthrix:

Dibblah: Assuming it's a small leak, not enough to blow a breaker, how would that be any different if the leak was over a separate ground? (Unless you're on a GFCI plug or breaker)

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juski:

Tanthrix: you'd still get zapped then

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Kazan:

i don't get a C/c

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juski:

or if it's not enough to shock you it could damage other equipment connected to it

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Dibblah:

Means you're watching a FTA channel.

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Tanthrix:

juski: Why exactly? Wouldn't the neutral ground be of the same resistence, in theory, as a separate ground, giving it much less resistence than you standing on the floor?

[22:25:50]

juski:

TVs can often have a pretty high voltage on their ground lines.. not really what you want but it happens

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juski:

Tanthrix: it doesn't take much current to kill you

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Kazan:

just a lot of volts

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juski:

so there's really no point dissecting this. take no chances with your grounding

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Tanthrix:

juski: I realize this. My question though is how would a separate ground be any different than neutral (when properly grounded) and why would that save your life when a neutral ground wouldn't?

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juski:

Tanthrix: because in some places 'neutral' can be many volts above ground

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juski:

it'll vary depending on local wiring practises

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juski:

in the UK with TN-S earth bonding, 'Neutral' can be as high as you like.. in my own experience, I've seen Neutral at over 70V above Earth

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Tanthrix:

Ok, so, lets take an example here like a computer PSU

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Tanthrix:

The metal case is connected to the earth ground, right?

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juski:

it's connected to the earth wire in the mains cable, which by way of your house wiring, finds its way to a solid ground connection somehow

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Tanthrix:

(By the way, I'm just trying to learn this for my own good, not argue with you or justify anything)

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Dibblah:

Seperate protective grounds are necessary because a fault in a 'shared' installation will raise _all_ earths to above local "ground".

[22:30:27]

Dibblah:

So _everything_ during the period of a fault becomes a significant portion of live.

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Tanthrix:

Alright. And the purpose of that connection, is so that if there is a short between the hot wire and the case in some fashion, it goes through the ground, right?

[22:30:38]

Tanthrix:

(Instead of through you touching it, then the ground)

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juski:

Tanthrix: or the 'neutral' wire... in the USA & Canada (& other places), both non-earthy wires are 'hot'

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juski:

even in other places you should never assume they ain't

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Tanthrix:

I thought that only happens on account of bad local wiring or something not following "the rules"

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Dibblah:

Especially building sites :)

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juski:

Tanthrix: there's only one assumption you can safely make... that whoever did the installation needed hitting with the cluebat very hard

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Tanthrix:

So, what about, say, my reciever? Is its metal case wired to the neutral?

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juski:

.. or more realistically, assume that any assumptions you make will be wrong

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Tanthrix:

And the whole point of the ground is that, because things wire to the neutral for ground, the neutral is no longer safe because of this?

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juski:

Tanthrix: more than likely, if its mains lead has no earth wire, then it's what is known as 'double insulated'

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Tanthrix:

Yah, my reciever, like most a/v stuff, does not have a ground prong

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juski:

which means that yes, in the balance of all probability, there's very little chance a high voltage will ever make it onto the chassis

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juski:

and they design stuff very carefully to ensure that's the case

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juski:

they don't wanna be sued by late Mr Amp-owner's family ;)

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Tanthrix:

So, that's my question then. In theory, in a properly wired house, with all electronics that consistently use neutral as the ground, any kind of short will be safe, right?

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juski:

they most likely do NOT use neutral as ground, because that would be insane

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Tanthrix:

(Without a separate ground, and a proper neutral that is ground)

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Milosch:

of course all bets are off with lightning...

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Tanthrix:

Milosch: Ignoring lightning ;)

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Milosch:

does some very unfriendly stuff

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juski:

if I found any metal on a chassis bonded to neutral I'd unplug it before ever touching it again

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Tanthrix:

juski: But what about my metal reciever then, or my TV, or anything that only has two prongs? Don't they ground to neutral?

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Dibblah:

Tanthrix: Sure. Until you touch a tap.

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juski:

NO

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Milosch:

it's been done in the US that neutral is grounded, not sure what the current code is

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juski:

Tanthrix: I told you. it'll be what is known as 'double insulated'

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Dibblah:

Tanthrix: In that case, nothing connects to the chassis.

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juski:

in the USA, both 'hot' pins are only ever 50V above ground

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Milosch:

all i know is that there is a potential between the cable ground and my equipment ground atm

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juski:

Milosch: switch the TV off or unplug it – that'll go away

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Tanthrix:

So, if something in my reciever is to come loose and touch the case, I'm screwed if I'm touching it? Isn't the whole point of having a ground to prevent that kind of possibility?

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Milosch:

uh huh

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juski:

Tanthrix: the whole point of kit being 'double insulated' is to stop that happenning in the first place

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Dibblah:

There's an insulator between all electronics and the case.

[22:39:21]

Dibblah:

Or the case is plastic.

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Tanthrix:

Well, it seems to me that everything would logically be designed like that

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juski:

and the extent to which the insulation works is defined by regulations that are adhered to or they won't be allowed to sell the stuff

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Tanthrix:

Which makes me think what's the big deal about separate grounds

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juski:

Tanthrix: for hifi buffs? I'd call that natural selection ;)

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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juski:

seriously

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juski:

actually in some cases separate grounds are a good idea.. but it's complicated

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juski:

but NEVER for electrics!

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juski:

signals yes.. but not electricity

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Ross_C:

anyone else in here enjoying the libvisual-projectM visualizations in mythmusic now?

[22:41:58]

juski:

Ross_C: really? in svn?

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Ross_C:

yep as of about a week ago

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juski:

whoah :-O

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Tanthrix:

Why does my PSU, or my CRT monitor have a separate ground then?

[22:42:35]

juski:

are we just going round in circles here?

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Dibblah:

Yup.

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juski:

that's the protective ground.

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juski:

end of...

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juski:

I'm off to bed

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juski:

g'night.. play safe & don't put any wires in your mouth

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mcquaid:

I had this problem before but can't recall how i fixed it

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mcquaid:

the power went out here (maybe while the guide was updating) and now everything says unknown

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Tanthrix:

I get it – but why is it necessary for my PSU or CRT to have one, but not my nice big beefy metal reciever?

[22:44:14]

Tanthrix:

(And I apologize if I am taking us in circles here)

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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mcquaid:

i tried mythfilldatabase and with --refresh-all but still the same

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Tanthrix:

Dibblah: He didn't answer my question. Wouldn't be just be good measure to make sure a CRT or computer power supply is insulated from the case?

[22:45:45]

Tanthrix:

Dibblah: And therefore not need a separate ground, just as my reciever does not need a separate ground.

[22:46:12]

Dibblah:

Not possible.

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Tanthrix:

Why pray tell?

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Dibblah:

Since the PSUs in both have HV sections that are higher than mains.

[22:46:53]

Dibblah:

AFAIK.

[22:47:16]

Dibblah:

However, I'm not a hardware manufacturer, so don't quote me on that.

[22:47:41]

Tanthrix:

Meaning that it would take serious insulation that is cost prohibitive to actually isolate it safely, due to the nature of high voltage arcing and such?

[22:47:44]

Dibblah:

Or, really, any of this.

[22:48:28]

Tanthrix:

That's the problem with all this grounding business. Seems like most people I ask just start quoting me things like "You have to ground, always, just because!" but don't know a whole lot about the specifics

[22:48:36]

Dibblah:

I don't know – I just had to learn the earthing / supply requirements so I could wire my own garage :)

[22:48:40]

Tanthrix:

No offense meant, just that this grounding stuff is more complicated than it seems.

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ubuntuEdgy:

i think my poor backend has had at.

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ubuntuEdgy:

got hacked all night

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Dibblah:

Had at what? ;)

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ubuntuEdgy:

hacked

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Tanthrix:

I think I'll ask my two EE friends to explain it to me.

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Dibblah:

http://www.electronics-tutorials.com/basics/earth-dangers.htm

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Tanthrix:

Dibblah: Interesting – but "if the neutral return path is interrupted" basically just as likely to happen as the ground path being interrupted?

[22:54:25]

Tanthrix:

(Remember, I'm trying to learn the theory here, not just why backups are in place to prevent stupid electricians from doing stupid things)

[22:54:34]

Dibblah:

Ask a sparky. :)

[22:55:23]

Tanthrix:

Hard to imagine a wiring system that is perfectly grounded, but somehow the neutral return path comes loose.

[22:55:27]

Tanthrix:

Actually

[22:55:30]

Tanthrix:

that's not true

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Tanthrix:

Something could happen at the pole knocking out the neutral but not the hot, and if you don't have a ground, you'd be sorry

[22:56:09]

Tanthrix:

So that does make sense, I suppose.

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Tanthrix:

Dibblah: Well, thanks for your time, much appreciated. I'll get this all right in my head at some point in time

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woland_:

thanks guys – a lot to think about

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ubuntuEdgy:

guys help, i cant log on to my backend ,i cant use the frontend , i cant use mythweb , i cant use phpmyadmin.

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ubuntuEdgy:

phpmyadmin complians about disk pace ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

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woland_:

ubuntuEdgy, what does df(1) say?

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sid3windr:

goddamnit, anyone have a clue about lirc

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sid3windr:

i've set it up once, but after a reinstall I can't get it going

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ubuntuEdgy:

woland_: -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `1'

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woland_:

ubuntuEdgy, sorry the 1 is the man section

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woland_:

ubuntuEdgy, run df -h

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ubuntuEdgy:

woland_: http://pastebin.ca/453388

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ubuntuEdgy:

thanks for helping me on this , i really didnt know what to do.

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woland_:

ubuntuEdgy, yup – your disk is full

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ubuntuEdgy:

omg

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woland_:

ubuntuEdgy, you should probably consider a better partitioning scheme in future

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ubuntuEdgy:

extc3 ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

not any good ?

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woland_:

nah, not filesystem – partitioning scheme

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woland_:

like different partitions mounted on / /var /tmp /usr

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ubuntuEdgy:

ahhh

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woland_:

so you don't risk losing use of your machine should you fill your disk

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ubuntuEdgy:

ahhh

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ubuntuEdgy:

great idea

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ubuntuEdgy:

is there any thing i can doi

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woland_:

ubuntuEdgy, yeah, add a new disk or backup to cd/dvd

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ubuntuEdgy:

can i delete live tv stuff ?

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woland_:

might be worth you getting a big disk to and mounting it as a place to keep all your media

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woland_:

ubuntuEdgy, sorry i haven't got mythtv working yet

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh i have one but need to recover my data from it , so im not using till i get some king off too to recover my data

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woland_:

ubuntuEdgy, i know just the tool...

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ubuntuEdgy:

woland_: can i help in any way

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ubuntuEdgy:

please tell me ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

free

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ubuntuEdgy:

?

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woland_:

http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Download

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woland_:

yeah i was amazed at what i could recover

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ubuntuEdgy:

im so great full

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ubuntuEdgy:

thanks.

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woland_:

ubuntuEdgy, make sure to mount the disk read only

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ubuntuEdgy:

did i say it was ntfs ?

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woland_:

oooh sorry, i thought it was ext?.. try and get encase

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ubuntuEdgy:

ohh well i cant delete live tv , to solve the problem because all i see is .1001_20070319134000.mpg 1020_20070320220000.mpg

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ubuntuEdgy:

so i cant tell if its live tv or not

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woland_:

do a lsof | grep filename..

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woland_:

and see if it's being accessed

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woland_:

hehe

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tzanger:

evening... is there a way to convert 1604_20070422123000.mpg into what the actual program/time/etc is?

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tzanger:

it's gotta be in the db, but where, and is there something alreayd done to tell me what's what?

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hads:

nuvexport is what you want I think

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tzanger:

I found mythrename... but they changed from mpg to nuv... is that correct, they're not actually mpeg files?

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tzanger:

ls

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok i have cd to /var/lib/mythtv$

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ubuntuEdgy:

mabe i could check witch files are the biggest ?

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woland_:

ubuntuEdgy, you could use du(1) or check man find

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ubuntuEdgy:

thanks u

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woland_:

no worries

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